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[Nokia Lumia 800] imrazor:
I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong with the Lumia, or that Bluetooth isn't useful. I'm just pointing out that Bluetooth has some security problems. This does not require specialized equipment, just a laptop with BT capabilities, which according to one of the Wikipedia articles can reach 100m. Ever walked into a coffee shop with a dozen people using laptops? That is a potentially compromising situation.

An informal survey of my co-workers reveal that none of them has ever tried to send a file via Bluetooth. I tried to send a file to a co-worker, but his phone wouldn't show up when I scanned for his device name. (That's part of the frustation factor I'm talking about with Bluetooth.) The devices that did show up wanted to pair before allowing me to transmit a file. This may be a restriction/security feature imposed by American cell phone carriers.

I think we're dealing with a cultural difference. There seem to be much higher barriers to using Bluetooth here in the US. Most people here only use it for connecting peripherals like keyboards or headsets, and never use it for file transfer, financial transactions or tethering. Thus Bluetooth is a non-issue for most American consumers, aside from using wireless headsets. And 95% of the people I would want to send a file to have email. I thinks that's why you're getting a lot of responses that basically say "Why bother with Bluetooth?"
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
There are no security concerns as long as you keep your bluetooth off, and turn it on just to send or receive files (pics and videos), from someone you know (you wouldn't want to receive it from some stranger anyway) it saves battery life too. In your wikipedia examles it implies that your Bluetooth is always on and i still can not call it "security problems".

I don't know why even bring those articles here? Have you read them? In one it says "bluejacking is harmless" and it's sending unsolicited messages, well, you can either reject receiving message (phone will ask if you want to receive it) or turn your bluetooth off, which most people do, is that "security problem to you?

In other article it says that "bluesnarfing" is only possible on paired devices, why would you pair someone so he eventually will bluesnarf your phone? It has to be some stranger and he has to follow you. May be they done it in lab tests, but in practical use chances of bluesnarfing is 1 to billion.

As for "blubugging", first source link is dead, and there is nothing explained in second link. May be Microsoft and Nokia put that up? :)

I mean, calling this "security problems" is paranoid.

Well, wifi is even more vulnerable, there're lots of scanners etc etc, may be we should through it out of the window as well?

As for equipment, it says "laptops can reach up to 100 metres (328 ft) with powerful (Class 1) transmitters" - special equipment required and special s/w too, that sounds to me as equipment.

I just don't understand, what does this all have to do with sending file to my wife or someone I know who is standing next to me? This used to be basic feauture of Nokia devices, and no more.

As for US and your collegues, may be they are old or something else? Or may be they don't really share pictures at all, I don't know. There may be many more reasons to explain it. Go to any college, students do use it, if they have it in their phones of course. Also, i heard that in US data plans were really cheap, now it's getting more expensive, so they might use it more.

Did you see that video i posted?

There are certain things that Bluetooth is best on, and nothing can replace it yet. You could just be fair and acknowledge it instead of putting this FUD tactics and spin about "security problems"
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
What i don't just understand is why you don't just vote with your wallet, return your Lumia (if you still have it), buy a phone which supports BlueTooth file sharing and go out and enjoy your life.

I understand your point of view but for the vast majority of people bluetooth transfer is far too complicated and far more complicated than email. On a computer you can set up an FTP server to send files to your friends, but most people just use email. Most wouldn't notice or care if FTP was suddenly removed as a feature. Most would just accept it, mail the file, and go out and live their life.

Anyway you made your point, imrazor doesn't agree with you and probably never will. Why don't ye just both agree to disagree, shake on it and discuss other matters?
[Nokia Lumia 800] imrazor:
Sorry we got so far off topic, Boburto, but I learned a lot about how people use Bluetooth in other places. The only thing I'd add before I zip it is that he should direct his anger at Microsoft (not Nokia) for not putting complete BT functionality in WP7. I'm pretty sure the Lumia would do BT file transfer fine if it had Android on it.
[Nokia Lumia 800] sHaHiN786:
And the topic continues, what the monkey? Dude, didn't I quote earlier, "Wow, you still use bluetooth?" Note, that was sarcasm my friend. I think that should suffice on the topic. It's pretty much dead on smartphones, only used for headsets really.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
You can "quote" something even more stupid, why should i care? You call that a sarcasm? If i tell you "wow, you don't use bluetooth?" would that be a good argument? At least, it won't be worse than yours.

If you don't like to read this thread (which by the way, is called "lumia flaws") why bother? Are you a masochist? Don't read it and that makes you feel better.

---------- Post added at 05:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:46 PM ----------

It's easy to understand. If you just wrote, "yeah, that might be critical for some, but i don't use it" i wouldn't even bother reading this thread anymore. Instead, i get people trying to make me look foolish with all sorts of BS arguments like "it's old technology use email and facebook", "sarcasm" like "wow, you still use bluetooth", or crap about how "complicated" bluetooth is and "security problems", they just found on wikipedia, or BS like "it's on dead on smartphones, only used for headsets really" - it's dead only on Lumia smarphones, to be precise, see the diffrence?

I don't like this spin and ****ty arguments, it's dissrespectful.

And neither imrazor nor anynoe else coudn't provide any valid argument why exactly they dissagree with me, and with what exactly they dissagree.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
It's the internet, this happens every day, get over it and move on.

They'll probably never give you an argument you'll agree with. You made your point, they made their point. As i said, agree to disagree, move on and lets talk about other flaws that the lumia has.

This thread is to list the flaws, not have an ideological argument as to why or why not something should be there. A flaw has been listed, some people see it as a flaw, others don't. People will read and make their own judgement, leave it at that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Well, may be because their arguments are lame? By the way, just as yours are.

What does all this computer stuff and FTP server have to do with what i write?

THis is very simple, let me repeat that for you

You have 2 phones, you need to transfer file from one phone to another, which way is faster, via bluetooth or email? Also, what if there is no internet around? Actually, this implies to PC too.

With email it's either will be slower and will cost some money or won't happen at all. No matter how you look at it, bluetooth wins, is this hard to understand? Why this spin again? This is simple logic, you don't have to be rocket-scientist to understand.

And why are you talking about "vast majority"? Did you ask them?
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Well can't say I didn't try. I'll bow out of this debate until some new flaw comes up.
[Nokia Lumia 800] arkedk:
Forget about what others think about BT. If you use it fine, what do I care.

And for me a file transfer over the internet or over BT cost the same, 0, nada, nothing. My subscription plan has included internet which I would say is a must if you got a smartphone. If I paid by Megabyte on my subscription plan I would use my whole paycheck on my phone bill.

Back on topic.

My microphone is insanely low sometimes.

Anyone else got this issue?

On the verge of returning this very sexy looking piece of crap (my 3rd Lumia 800) to the store and get another WP7 device, any suggestions?
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
I've heard about this, it's the noise cancellation going into overdrive. I'm considering getting a 4S due to the issues with the Lumia. Although i'm still miffed at Apple over some bad customer service recently.
[Nokia Lumia 800] sHaHiN786:
So move on, and I quote, this topic relates to flaws, not bluetooth. I'm sorry, I had to get that one in. :D
[Nokia Lumia 800] signal11th:
Love the phone but the OS is terribad

Soooo I've had the phone for around a week now, love the look the feel etc, nie and quick doe's everything I want from a phone which for me is not much make calls and text basically, music is another.

My major problems with this phone are :

using it for playing music, ear phones supplied are crap (probably the worst I've ever used) and to be honest the sound quality is pretty poor compared to my old Iphone. No sound functions at all. Can't even find a "equaliser" app for it.

I think my major problem with the phone and to be honest it's not the phones problem it's Microsoft (and I'm even a MS fan boy)

NO FECKING CUSTOMIZATION AT ALL!!!

sorry for the caps but the customization on this phone is really poor, Stuck with tiles you have silly theme's and accent colours which you can't do much with at all.

I want my tiles or theme "black" that will be £65 with an Ihub app blah blah blah.

I'm tired of Microsoft trying to be a bloody nanny state I spend £400 quid on something I should at least be able to choose "black" as a colour!

If your primary use for this phone is phone/music player don't bother with it.

Apart from that I like it.
[Nokia Lumia 800] sHaHiN786:
The sound quality is the phone's problem, not the OS. You should know that Windows phone is more simplicty than customizability, I guess you wait for the Chevron unlock just like the iOS users wait for a jailbreak, then you'll be a happy bird with no regrets. I have major issues with the phone.
[Nokia Lumia 800] signal11th:
What major issues are you having?

Apart from the "microsoft" factor I like this phone.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
I just read this post from Tomi Ahonen, and i immediately recalled this discussions. It seems we share some thoughts

Here is some part

http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...eople-avoid-growing-nokia-retail-problem.html
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Vote with your wallet and return the phone!

Although i'm still lost at how something which is not included in the specs is a flaw?

Just because all the older versions had some feature does not mean the new ones should have it. This does not make it a flaw.

Old Saab's used fly, the new ones roll around on 4 wheels and don't (usually) fly. If you bought a Saab car would you argue that it should fly?
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Stop using this "shut up and vote with your wallet" thing, do you work for Nokia or MS? Why would you write crap like that over and over again?

Read what i quoted, everything is in there and you won't get lost.

If you buy an expensive brand new car, and upon briging it home you realise there is no A/C in it, and i'd tell you "don't complain, it wasn't included in specs" how would you feel?

And as for SAAB, i wouldn't argue simply because i bought a car, not a plane. You couldn't even bring something less far fetched and lame..
[Nokia Lumia 800] kharma45:
Pinch to zoom on my brothers Lumia 800 seems oddly choppy at times, and my Optimus 7 seems to render pages faster than his phone :\
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Most BMW's only a few years ago came with AC as an optional extra. So I don't see your point.

Still don't see it as a flaw, just a missing feature.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
No, A/C is stock for decades in all BMW 7 series (or Mercedes S class). I'm almost sure that same applies to 5 series or E class. I think it's even standart in cheap 3 and 1 series but with more powerful engines (v6) as well.

Missing feature is a flaw for those who need it, you don't need it fine, for you it's not a flaw. Is this hard to understand?
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
By the way Boburto, do you think this is BS?

http://mynokiablog.com/2012/03/20/n...sfer-soon-tango-update-improves-multitasking/

Well, it sounds a bit like wishful thinking, but I certainly hope it's not.

If it happens, i might even consider L900 ;)
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boss_Cuco:
Anyone else with this issue?

I'm having the same problem, only difference is that i've never done any hard-reset...
[Nokia Lumia 800] yeoldgreat1:
WP7 turns off the wifi connection whenever the screen is locked, it's to preserve the battery life. I don't know if there is something you can do to stop it from doing that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] oskariunit:
Connect charger and it will keep WIFI under lock screen.
[Nokia Lumia 800] jj14:
Boburto made a valid point - when I purchase something (be it a car or a phone), I do have a checklist of features that are important to me. If it meets my criteria, I'll keep it in my shortlist. If it is missing any feature that is critical to me, I'll not purchase it!

1orka, I get your point - partly. File transfer over BT is obviously important to you. Great. Why did you consider purchasing the Lumia 800? Why didn't you pick from all the other phones that have that feature?

If the Lumia 800 advertised the file transfer over BT as a supported feature, yes, you have a perfectly valid point - it is a bug and needs to be fixed.

If I purchase a car tomorrow and ignore the fact that it doesn't have AC as a built in feature, and then take the car back to the dealership complaining about the lack of AC - guess what happens... Do you really expect the dealership to take the car back? Not sure about other countries, but here in the US, that ain't happening.

Sure, File transfer over BT is not that hard to implement, and MS could have (and maybe should have) done that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] imorital:
WRT: Bluetooth

One area where bluetooth is still useful and relevant must be headsets and wireless audio streaming.

I used to connect my Android (Desire HD) to the bluetooth receiver in my car, then stream music from the device which would be paused for GPS instructions or when on a call.

Obviously I can still make bluetooth calls with the Lumia 800 attached, but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get music streaming working. Is this supported in the phone?

Obviously I can't (at this stage) rule out the hardware in my car is not at fault, but if this is missing from WP7.x then I'm a little dissapointed.
[Nokia Lumia 800] plagu:
Ever heard of bluetooth handsfrees? :D

I only use bluetooth for that and it works beautifully.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
I can stream through my bluetooth headset, so we know the Lumia 800 is capable.
[Nokia Lumia 800] jj14:
Not sure. It could be a limitation of the car's software too. Check compatibility on your car manufacturer's website as well.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
No, he didn't made a valid point, and neither do you.

I was bying a Nokia, not Iphone, i didn't know that Nokia doesn't offer such basic feature in their brand new, top of the line (and expensive) device anymore. You try to make it look like i'm demanding something extraordinary, which is not the case.

As for cars, again, you missed that we're talking about expensive cars, some features must be there by default, you don't have to read specs list. Bimmer or Merc without a/c is nonsense, just like Nokia without bluetooth. I'm sure that they will bring it back, and better do it sooner than later.

My point was made clearly in that quote that i posted, obviously, you didn't even bother to read it. I'll quote some part again, please read it carefuly.

Your attempts to downplay this fault and make it look like it's only important for me are ridiculous.
[Nokia Lumia 800] jj14:
Apparently.

Who do you think is responsible for reading the specs of an "expensive" device that one purchases? <rhetorical question>

IMO, just because a lot of phones support a feature doesn't mean that you can/should assume that your potential new phone supports it.

Example 1: a large selection of modern smartphones support data transfer and charging using microUSB/miniUSB cables. iPhone doesn't. If you buy an iPhone assuming that you can use your microUSB cables and avoid having to buy their proprietary cable, well, you will be disappointed.

Example 2: Most smartphones supported by my cellphone service provider currently are 4G capable. So, I'm used to having 4G service on my phones. There are a very few smartdevices on my service provider that do not support 4g speeds. If I purchase one of these, and complain about the lack of 4G (because it is an expected feature in my opinion), my service provider (or phone manufacturer) isn't going to really do much about it.

Maybe you aren't demanding something extraordinary - maybe it is a very basic feature for you that you absolutely require. Fine. I am not arguing with your need for this feature. However, it still isn't Nokia's fault that you didn't confirm specifications/supported-features before (potentially) purchasing the device. Maybe they will add it in future devices if enough people demand it ("vote with your wallet" comment that another poster made earlier)

Yes - but WHICH features must be there by default is up to each potential purchaser. One person may think that integrated navigation (or a full size spare tire) is an absolute must - while another person may not care for that. Expensive or cheap - every consumer is expected to read specs before signing on the dotted line.

BTW, from your earlier post:

<-- Yes - I agree 100%. And if a feature that is critical for me is missing, I will just not purchase that "flawed" device. That's probably what the previous poster meant by "Vote with your wallet" - you didn't have to 'yell' at him for that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] angler:
Bluetooth support is a very basic function of cell phone for years. Why Lumia 800 did not support this basic function? There are many basic area that Lumia (perhaps WP) did not support.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
To hopefully bring an end to this Bluetooth discussion... It's not a shortcoming of Nokia, ir something they left off. It's a limitation of the wp7 OS. Don't lobby Nokia to get it supported, lobby Microsoft.
[Nokia Lumia 800] jj14:
Thanks :) Dialog ended
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Do you work together?

I don't need this salesman crap about "you should have read specs, those small letters, we didn't promise something too you".

And i didn't yell at no one, i was making a point, that missing of such feature is drawback for me.

Yet people like you came here with crap like "it's only important for you", "strange people", "no big deallie, use email"

Like i said, your attempts to downplay such drawback are redicoulus.

I provided you with quote, which you again, didn't even bother to read. You just igroned it because you have nothing to say. It explains my point perfectly and in better english.

And iphone was a bad analogy, because
[Nokia Lumia 800] jj14:
Finally got 12070 update from Zune last night - Based on my observations so far, my issue with battery life appears to be no more. (Hopefully, it doesn't deteriorate)

Wheeeeeeeeeeee! :D
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
Mods, PLEASE close this thread.

The poor horse is beyond dead.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Might be a good idea to close this one and start a new one called

"Lumia 800 Hardware Flaws: List Here"

Maybe then we'll get actual flaws rather than this constant debate about bluetooth.

Not dead... just very very angry... and beyond reasoning!
[Nokia Lumia 800] ua330:
wow, we're still arguing here?

maybe the should move this bluetooth argument over to another thread called "Bluetooth Argument"

Yes BT is limited on the Lumia, and yes the lumia is expensive, and yes most phones had this feature in the past, and finally YES if you bought the lumia and really need the BT file transfer then you are most likely unhappy right now and should probably look for a new phone.

And everyone else - dont toss anymore logs into the fire, just let it simmer down :)

my 2 cents:

-I wish the screen res was better (I know is WP 7)

-I wish this had expandable memory (WP issue)

-I would want to be able to switch from "ring" to "vibrate" to "silent" - right now vibrate can only be turned on or off in the menu - no shortcut
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Not just WP7, the lumia 800 screen is lower res than most devices because it's pentile. It isn't true 800x480. Both the 710 and 900 are RGB and true 800x480 devices.
[Nokia Lumia 800] ashu86sharma:
Green Tint while taking pictures with lumia 800 in low light conditions(after 12070))

Hey guys.. I've noticed that a greenish tint at the centre appears while taking pictures from my lumia 800. Would like to add that I purchased my phone on 23 march and then i updated to v12070. Any other person noticed this issue..??

Moreover, how do your find camera quality of lumia 800, mine is totally crappy. Do you think I should send it back to Nokia Care. Btw, battery life on my phone is cool. I am a light user and so it gives me 48 hours of battery life. So battery life is good but camera quality is crappy.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
I find camera quality to be crappy, especially in evening in indoors conditions. Outside in broad daylight it's acceptable. Quality of video mode is very bad too in such conditions, and for some reason autofocus doesn't work in videomode from time to time (mostly evenings), i have to go to menu, turn it off, than back on, only then it starts working.

Imo may be if camera would be really good in this phone, that could compensate a little for lacking bluetooth (like in Iphone 4s :) )
[Nokia Lumia 800] Blackdaemon:
<IRONY ON>

OK, *my* 2 cents:

- You don't need more than 800x480. I don't need it, so you don't need it either. You had to vote with your wallet and bought iPhone 4s!

- Expandable memory? Ancient tech, not used anymore by vast majority of people, so, useless...!

- Switching profiles? It's obsolete nowadays with modern smartphones... don't buy Windows Phone if you don't like it, vote with your wallet!

Hey, why do you even dare to mention those here? You did not read the phone specs before buy?

<IRONY OFF>
[Nokia Lumia 800] Boburto:
Third post on the site and you are already mocking the users? Great way to make friends.

Anyway he said he 'wished' for these things, he didn't name anything as flaws. According to him he'd like if these were better but is happy enough with how the phone is to vote with his wallet and buy it. There's nothing wrong with that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] ua330:
wow there, what exactly is your problem?

This is the "flaws" post so I believe my comments are in the correct place.

I dont want to start another war as to what resolution "I need" and whether or not expandable memory is current enough.

And you gotta be kidding me about the profile switching - its funny that you mention the iphone since they dedicated a physical button for that very function ( what were they thinking right???) I for one would like to turn on vibrate without clicking through 3 menus.

I like the lumia and just feel it would be better with a few for tweaks. :D