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[HTC Wildfire S] Tigger31337:
Thanks for (what I think is) the most decent answer so far.

As I mentioned before, I am leaning towards the "it can't be done" answer (for the very reasons you cite above) but here's where I'm not entirely convinced (and maybe it's gonna take an actual chef to chime in before I'm fully convinced... I dunno :) )

I think it's rare that a chef is going to modify core Android files in the way you describe. I suspect there aren't a lot of cases of "modify Android file x in v2.3.3 and then make my custom ROM depend on that updated file". I suspect it's more like "my custom ROM makes a call to Android file x (say, framework.jar) and then hands the results off to file y (say, MMS.APK)"

In the case of the latter, that process would seem to be unaffected (or, minimally affected) by MINOR increments in the OS version (going from 2.3.3 to 2.3.5, for example). Suppose framework.jar and mms.apk are two files that do, in fact, get updated in v.2.3.5, then applying such an OS-only upgrade probably wouldn't result in anything too catastrophic. You'd get to keep your "old ROM" but enjoy a new OS "underneath" it (for lack of a better analogy).

But again, this is just speculation on my part and (god dammit) I am sorry for ever bringing it up and I wish this thread a peaceful death.

That being said, if anyone creates such an animal, I am willing to try it on my phone and post results. ;)

Cheers,

- Anthony
[HTC Wildfire S] Tera Tike:
This is the FOTA updater-script that you might find interesting.

Just for your informational purpose.

-Mark
[HTC Wildfire S] scott_doyland:
I think customisation runs deeper than just theme changes and different apps preinstalled, ie the stuff you 'see'. There are many postings of people having no mobile data, no wifi, bad gps etc afer flashing a custom rom.

This suggests pretty heavy customization takes place at a low level.

I do understand your thought process though and i agree you would need a custom rom developer to really answer your question, even then it may still vary from rom to rom.

Scott
[HTC Wildfire S] jmz:
Here is how you do it. Get a zip containing your current system, get a zip containing the system you want to go to. extract both and run beyond compare on them. You know have the differences. Start deleting each one of the same until all you have is differences. And I bet you won't delete one file.

The Rom and the OS is the same damn thing. Everybody is telling you this and you just don't understand. You don't understand because you want something that is impossible to do without sources. You are able to build incremental updates on say AOSP built roms but not Sense.

You want to know how to but many people have said its impossible. If you are so worried about getting this done because there are SOOOOO many new features in 2.3.5 that you just HAVE to have it figure out how to do it on your own and LEARN something like everyone else on here.

With the way you have talked to people you REALLY think someone is going to go to all this trouble when all they would do is flash the updated rom and restore apps/data?
[HTC Wildfire S] Tigger31337:
Way to cut-and-paste from my post #26. :confused:

The question (if you've been paying attention) is what do you do with those delta files when you're done? Do you package 'em up in a zip and flash as you normally would a full ROM? Or do you apply it as an "update" (which, I assume, doesn't wipe anything?) Do you need a funky script? Or maybe all of this is crazy talk and there really is no effective delivery method to get your delta OS package onto an existing ROM?

THOSE, my friend, are the key questions... and they have been ALL ALONG. That, simply, is all I was trying to determine. Nothing more, nothing less. Notice, I'm not asking "will this break my blah.apk app after I'm done?". I already was clear that breaking apps/features would be MY problem. I'm just curious if people actual do this type of upgrade (i.e. is it possible, is it practical, is there any value to it).

Actually, some folks said it was possible and some folks said impossible.

And, unless I've missed something, didn't YOU yourself just say that it was possible (using your "beyond compare" scenario, above?). Keep 'em coming, Steinberg.

Hey, that actually sounds like you know what you're talking about. Why don't you say more about that, instead of trying to get inside my head and guessing what I may (or may not) be thinking?

See, there you go trying to get inside my head again. I never said ANYTHING about being "worried" to get this done, or that I

must

have all the many new features. And, you are also projecting when you imply that I'm not willing to LEARN anything here. I already admitted on Post #1 that I simply don't know the answer, but I've got some educated guesses. I've done PLENTY of research in the meantime. I now know enough to sort the decent answers from the useless ones. Guess which category yours are falling into so far?

Yeah, another useless comment. First of all, flashing the updated ROM is not an option. This was a puzzle, from the start, and you failed miserably. I made it clear that one cannot provide "just flash a new ROM!" as an answer (unless it was the ONLY answer!) Clearly, you don't believe that flashing a new ROM is the ONLY answer because of your .zip file scenario above! So don't get cute. Second, I never said that someone should do the work for me. I'm asking if it can be done (feasibly, practically). I'll take it from there.

As for the speculation as to whether folks here will actually help me or not, I think you underestimate them. Folks can read, interpret, and post replies just fine (in fact, they have been doing so for however many posts this God-foresaken thread is up to by now). I have no idea what manner I have "talked to people" that upsets you so, but all I can say is please quote the post # and offensive lines here and we'll try to handle it like big boys.

- Anthony
[HTC Wildfire S] jmz:
You want to play this game?

There is NO way a developer will put in the time to effective package a rom update the way you are talking unless it is a AOSP rom. It is not practical at all. In the sense of time.

In this part I was simply stating a fact of that almost every file will be different and therein lies your problem. But you know everything, Steinberg.

Learn how to build AOSP and build OTAs. It is simple to do in the AOSP world.

Yeah because I have no developmental experience or nothing. I'm just a noob cluttering your thread

You just posted that if someone will "cook" this up for you will flash it? Why not take the time like every other dev on here and figure it out for yourself. Asking questions is fine but arguing with every single person that responds is not helpful for anyone.

And this is the reason devs hate the android community. Because people expect **** handed to them on a silver platter.

So in conclusion you got my .02 and you can like it or not. But that is the way it is

Well maybe not in conclusion. Lets break it down. If say HTC releases an OTA, and only one file changed. They have to make that one file compatible with the old data information. So if you compared the RUU for the same OTA to the actual OTA recieved on the device that file would be different. Multiply this times the number of files in a standard sense rom (give or take 1200) it is absolutely pointless and too time consuming to do. **** the incremental update as an practical idea to do. And whether you think the OS and ROM are different or the same, the principal still stays the same.
[HTC Wildfire S] Tigger31337:
Go back and read what you wrote.

You are getting nasty (for reasons known only to yourself) and you have ASSUMED way too much, here.

Why do you keep thinking that I'm trying to do this with Sense-based ROMs only? You keep saying it's easy to do with AOSP ROMs... okay, then isn't that a start? Why not elaborate on that point (like I asked you to)? What makes you think I don't have CM7 in mind when I give my GB examples? Nothing (despite the fact that I kept repeating it was only the *OS* itself that I was interested in upgrading!) From OS alone, you have no basis whatever to derive the type or style or ROM I'm thinking about... but, yet again, you have. Bravo.

This is no longer a technical matter. It's about you actually reading (calmly) what someone has asked of you, and then answering accordingly. If you were unclear of something (Sense vs. AOSP) then you need only ask. But, as is evident, that is not the jmztaylor method. Yours is to shoot first, ask questions later, and throw in a hell of assumptions (and psychological profiling, for good measure). Logical argument FAIL.

I expected more from a "senior" member.

p.s. I will not be responding to any more posts in this thread. Don't take it personally, it's just that I've tried to close it many times after reaching my conclusion. As I've said, I will begrudgingly accept the answer of "No" (but not because of the overwhelming concrete evidence in the negative's favour, but for the lame reason that no one has been able to provide a satisfactory answer to the affirmative).

p.p.s.

You say, "devs hate the android community" and you consider yourself a dev?

I'll let the folks reading this thread do the math.

- Anthony
[HTC Wildfire S] scott_doyland:
Tigger,

You still seem to think its possible to do what you want so go and do it!! Why are you waiting for someone to say 100% that it can be done before you attempt it.

It would be more helpful if you did actually reply once more telling eveyone how wrong they were and that you have indeed achieved your goal.

If you dont manage it then reply and tellbus this as well. That way you are helping the community rather thwn just arguing a point that you yourself do not yet know the answer to.

Scott
[HTC Wildfire S] jmz:
Hahahaha. Have fun.
[HTC Wildfire S] b02:
I can't believe that you are so rude afer YOU asking US(community) a question.

Here is the answer for you : For someone asking such question it is not possible. You wouldn't be asking if you could make it happen.

Damn i hate rude people, and off topic, you didn't press thanks to anyone that answered. and i have video for you :

m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJmvCpR45LKA&v=JmvCpR45LKA&gl=US. (will edit from desktop since its mobile version)

[EDIT]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
[HTC Wildfire S] Tigger31337:
First of all, I was not being rude.

But, if you think I was, it's real easy: simply quote the post # and offending comments here and we'll see if we can't put those comments into context and sort it out like big boys. I've asked you to do this in the past, but you've provided nothing so far.

Second, I like how you make the elitist distinction that I somehow stand outside of the community. You are giving the XDA community an "us vs. them" feel to it. I've got news for you: As of right now, there is no ME vs. YOU in this community, Sherlock. I am just as much a part of it as you are. But, if you want to change that, then I suggest you approach the moderators and make a request that the only people allowed into your exclusive club are developers on an invite-only basis. Until then, the forum is open to the public. And it's folks like me (who test ROMs, post results, share relevant info with other members, and YES, occasionally ASK A QUESTION TO WHICH I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER!) who do, IN FACT, make up this community. Epic failure on your part for even beginning to think otherwise.

Yeah, as I've said to you in the past: I really have NO CLUE as to what idea you're trying to convey here. Please try another way to say it.

In Post #1, I already admitted I don't know the answer in advance. That's why people ask questions. (Shocking, I know.)

Et moi, aussi!

On that, I agree. On this thread, I simply didn't get around to pressing Thanks right away. (I have given Thanks on other threads, though). I didn't do it intentionally, so God save my soul. That being said, I have since gone back and pressed Thanks to the one or two helpful posts of this thread.

Mind you, I like how you ignored that I did say Thanks out loud in Post #32 (and possibly elsewhere? I'm not keeping track.) So don't try and paint the picture that I don't give Thanks. I just didn't press the damn button. I also gave a HUGE public Thanks to all those who cook ROMs for us. So, why so few public "Thanks" from me on THIS particular thread? Well, I only give the Thanks where it is deserved! I'm sure everyone here is operating under the same principal, are they not? (If not, they should be. I see no reason to click Thanks to a response that didn't help whatever. But, as always, if you want to make a case against this, then simply reply to this note and tell us all why we should click Thanks every single time someone answers you? Yeah, I'm not holding my breath for such a rebuttal. I've seen your posts. Absolutely dreadful argumentative skills.)

I watched the video but it made no lasting impression on me. It was wholly irrelevant to me, my technical issue, or to this thread in general. Waste of a perfectly good minute-and-a-half, if you ask me.

- Anthony
[HTC Wildfire S] b02:
1:32 of that video will help you.

as for US/THEM you are making, and now speaking some nonsense stuff... there is actually 2 sides on the forum, as first we all ARE one community, yes, BUT there is a side that asks, and side that answers (quoting "...you ungrateful bastard...", and yes this is humour) in this particular case, you are the one asking.

As for rudeness, you are just maybe simply from somewhere other on this earth, and you don't have the same perception of being rude/nice. Well, that's what we can't teach you, when your parents/environment failed.

Next thing, you say you don't know answer, but you contradict anything that is being said. What the hell.

On this part i am reffering your 'Et moi, aussi!' (can't quote everything separately)

An answer : Добро је да се слажеш

And last but not least important, you said thanks out loud ?

Read my signature, watch the video i gave you again, and see MANY signatures around forum ... Oh, damn I will just make it simple for you : Don't say thanks, hit the THANKS button ;)
[TouchPad General] slyr114:
I am having wifi issues, it connects fine and doesnt disconnect but very very often it just stops working, the internet i mean. It says im connected but no web pages load, nothing. Is there a fix for this?? ive tried stock .6 and bricked rom .6??
[TouchPad General] mkosem:
I was having that exact issue initially with CM9 0.6. I've been fine for 3 or 4 days now that I replaced the problematic netd daemon with the version that came with CM7 though. I replaced it because of some errant load problems that were tanking performance and battery life, but it seems to have resolved that issue too.

--Matt
[TouchPad General] slyr114:
is there a tutorial or quick write up on how to do this? Thanks!
[TouchPad General] mkosem:
Not that I know of. I attached the file that I used. If you unzip it and place it in /system/bin in-place of the existing file (probably want to rename the original first just in case), then set the owner/group to 0/2000, then set the permissions like this:

______Read__Write__Execute

Owner__X_____X______X

Group__X_____________X

Others_X_____________X

You should be good to go. Make sure that you set the owner/permissions like that. If it can't be executed, it'll hang on boot.

--Matt
[TouchPad General] slyr114:
thanks ill give this a shot
[TouchPad General] seliger:
I'll give this a try too. Here's an adb way to implement it:

This assumes you have grabbed the 7z file and uncompressed it to the current working directory.

adb remount

adb shell mv /system/bin/netd /system/bin/netd.ORIG

adb push netd /system/bin/

adb shell chmod 0755 /system/bin/netd

adb shell chown root /system/bin/netd

adb shell chgrp shell /system/bin/netd

adb reboot

And to roll it back...

adb remount

adb mv /system/bin/netd.ORIG /system/bin/netd

adb reboot

---------- Post added at 11:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:21 AM ----------

Well, at least initially it doesn't seem to have helped. It connects me and then a few seconds later the connection is dead -- but it still shows I'm connected.

But I will leave it in and see if it maybe improves battery life? idk..
[TouchPad General] mkosem:
Hrm, that stinks. What's your wifi channel? Mine seems to be the most reliable on 5GHz wireless-n, but lower channels are supposedly more reliable on 2.4GHz networks.

--Matt
[TouchPad General] seliger:
I've tried a multitude of channels between both A and G.

None seems to do better or worse.

I will say that with the current state of the ath6kl driver, I could not see my "A" APs at all.

At work I can't control the AP channels.

Here's the real screwy part. At home, I can connect using WPA2 and ping, for example, my router (or anything on my network) and get a pretty consistent ping response. However, as soon as I ping something on the outside (i.e. Google), I get 50% packet loss. And as a further test I have a laptop, on the same Wifi link pinging the same Google IP getting 0% packet loss.

That one just messes with my mind...

On an open wifi, I have no issues. Except having a wide open access point. ;-)
[TouchPad General] qawasaxa:
im having the same problem..
[General Topics] wonshikee:
Anyone got a suggestion on some good android phones I could look up ebay/craigslist to use as a PMP?

My budget is $100 or so, and I realize I won't get top of the line, but used is fine.

A used Optimus One on various prepaids seems to go for $40-$50, so I'm hoping for something that has a tad better spec.
[General Topics] jamesd86:
Pick up a used vibrant and enjoy awesome sound quality with a voodoo sound kernel.. Can be bought for like 125 if you catch a deal.
[General Topics] sean is here.:
There's a Samsung Galaxy media player...but it's a bit pricier.

Does it have to be a phone?

Why not just buy a PMP? Where's the necessity that it be Android?

If you looked hard enough, you could probably find a Philips for that price, especially if you're willing to buy used.

But my thoughts are, well, if it doesn't need phoning capabilities, you could probably get more GB for your buck.
[General Topics] wonshikee:
You would think, but it's not true. Most MP3 players in the $50 dollar range suck.

Also the galaxy players are, as you saw - pricey. I'm looking for something cheap.

And I want it to be an android because I have a galaxy nexus, so I own paid apps that I could use on it as well.

I found a galaxy S for $65 on craigslist, seems like a pretty good deal as long the phone isn't in terrible condition.
[General Topics] sean is here.:
Sounds like you could just use your Nex, but instead you'll then be carrying around a lot of extra functionality (carrying a Nexus around to be used as a phone/surfer and another Andy as a PMP), but I'm not one to judge. To each his own. If it were me, I'd buy another battery for the Nex and use the sh*t out of that! The PPI-count on that thing is sensational!!

An HTC HD2 may be just the device for you, but scoring one for a C-note will be a challange, I'd bet. Hack Android onto it, and BAAAAMMM!!:D
[General Topics] NewZJ:
don't get htc, the audio sucks, even on beats models

(sucks in a comparative sense, not subjective)
[General Topics] wonshikee:
Yes I realize my Nexus is more than capable ;)

I'm looking for a cheap alternative mostly because I will be abusing it more and I want to keep my expensive phone pristine.
[General Topics] cajunflavoredbob:
The sound on the HD2 sucks. Even with decent headphones. It's not bad over BT stereo, though, considering how bad BT stereo is to begin with. I'm not really an Apple fan, but the iPod Classics have a tremendous sound and enormous capacity. I use a 160GB iPod to tote around a chunk of my collection. The built in EQ is pretty handy as well. You can pick them up used for less than $100 also.
[General Topics] wonshikee:
Well I picked up a bootlooping galaxy S for $40. Hopefully I can get it working :D

The stock recovery was corrupted so the volume keys weren't working.

Oh yeh, got me a working galaxy S! Sure beats any $40 PMP out there!
[General Topics] jamesd86:
Ugh.. I need to find a deal like that.. Everyone around my way thinks broken phones are worth their weight in gold.
[General Topics] wonshikee:
Well the guy posted for $70, I talked him down to $40. He didn't sound like he had any clue what was wrong with the phone, which probably helped.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] McDoPDA:
I received my Galaxy Tab 7.7 from Panamoz two days ago. All works fine, but I can't change the ugly orange wallpaper on the lock screen. Is it a problem with my tab or a well known issue ? If not, how can I change it ? I've tried several classic methods but the orange screen is still there :-(

Thanks for your help.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] adinis78:
Try this and select lock screen. I would like to add different walpapers to change the lock screen but i have not figured it out
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] uncle_buckman:
You see the + in the top right hand corner of the home screen? You can change the lock screen will gallery images.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Theory:
Settings>Screen>Screen display>Lock screen

At which point you should be in Gallery (or if, like me, you have an alternative pic viewer--e.g., QuickPic--installed, the dialogue box should ask you to "select wallpaper from"...). Select photo of choice, crop where necessary, and presto.

I place all of my own wallpapers in jpg format in a folder in the internal sd storage.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] cannow:
Funny you should say that I was trying last night and could not change just tried and worked perfect strange must have been tired or drunk
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] McDoPDA:
I have already tried all what you're saying (I'm not a beginner), all the classic methods to change the lock screen wallpaper. It doesn't work. I select a wallpaper (Samsung ones or mine) , save the change, but the orange lock screen is still in place. I don't understand why. I can only change the home wallpaper.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Coolman4now:
Okay, I've had this issue before and got it worked out.

When you choose the image for your lockscreen just use gallery crop, don't crop with QuickPic or any other app.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Theory:
I just tested this and confirmed the above observation.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] McDoPDA:
Thanks ! It works now ! I was using QuickPic !:D
[HTC EVO 3D] thatguy11285:
I had my phone flashed to MetroPCS and the guy updated my hboot to 1.5 :( I saw a thread a couple months back about being able to downboot my hboot from 1.5 to 1.4 with S-off but a search didn't help me find anything. Anyone know the steps/point me in the right direction?
[HTC EVO 3D] joeykrim:
I've answered this a few times on this board regarding the CDMA version of the EVO 3D. I'll quote from my previous posts as I don't think anything has changed. Please post back if you still have questions!
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
If your hboot was soff before he upgraded, then it would still be soff, so if you're on hboot 1.5 with s off, then you can downgrade. If you're s on, then you're stuck.
[HTC EVO 3D] thatguy11285:
Yes my S-Off flag is still showing in the Bootloader

I know downgrading from 1.5 with S-on is currently impossible but I know it can be done with S-off

Should've clarified I guess

Edit: yes it is CDMA
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=21538250

Follow that thread to get back to hboot 1.4.
[HTC EVO 3D] KB112:
K2 speaketh the truth. :)

Flash the 1.40 Hboot and you're golden Pony Boy.
[HTC EVO 3D] thatguy11285:
I love you. In an internet brofist kind of way. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] k2buckley:
Always glad to help!
[HTC EVO 3D] gilbydakid:
I may be the only one that doesn't have any problems with 1.5. With joeykrims flash gui, you can do pretty much anything 1.4 can do. :shrug:
[HTC EVO 3D] 504xBeezy:
Man. Wish I have s-off