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[Windows Phone 7 General] samsabri:
On your bulletin about the Lumia 800 or 900 potentially feeling 'cheap... the answer is a very loud no.

I got the chance to man handle the Lumia 800 at a Windows Phone camp last November in Nokia San Diego and was awestruck at the feel of the device. You really need to hold in person to judge it, but most major editorial tech news site layers it with praise in regard to the design and feel of it. I haven't seen anyone even come close to calling it 'cheap'.

The Lumia 900 I played with at CES. They didn't have any on display to touch, but I convinced a rep to let me see his and again, same wow factor the 800 has.

However, I give the slight edget to the 800 since the display is curved and it really makes the device 'flow' in your hand.

Now, the spec argument is dead with any Windows Phone device. Looking at what device you can buy today, every Windows Phone holds its own very well against other smartphones in terms of everyday use. Yes, Android phones can do random CPU or GPU stuff faster, but when it comes down to using your phone WP rocks. See those videos by Ben the PC Guy to get an idea.

The reason why this device is expected to be the savior can be attributed more to the relationship between Microsoft and Nokia. It will be the first phone that the two push really hard here in the US. Sure the 710 has been out for a month, but the 900 will be so in your face that it will get people to stop and notice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
First, polycarbonate is not plastic.

Otherwise, form factor, screen, Nokia exclusive apps and games that NOT just anyone can get as you seem to think, I could go on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
@OP - The hype is that Microsoft/Nokia apparently think it's 2009. And they're extremely happy about this brand new game-upper of a device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gonintendo:
Yes actually, it is plastic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
Polycarbonate is a plastic, however it is not to be confused with other more commonly used plastics derived from ethylene and propylene.

The properties and uses of a polycarbonate are so different from even a high density polyethylene plastic that it is hard to classify the 2 in the same category.

I bring up polyethylene and polypropylene because when people use the term plastic, typically they are referring to these. Not everyone has a degree in chemical engineering and a history in polymer chemistry, however I do and I find your comment ridiculous.

On a side note I do want to congratulate you on the ability to to use wikipedia. You just proved how good information used in the wrong hands makes ignorant people feel intelligent.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gonintendo:
The fact of the matter is that polycarbonate is a plastic. It's a great plastic for making a phone with, different from what's usually used, but it's still a plastic. What people refer to when they say plastic and how commonly used it is doesn't change that. It's like saying mercury isn't a metal because when people think of metals, they think of steel and aluminum. And pardon me for trying to back my claim up with evidence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] txaggies07:
It may be a plastic...but is an awesome one for making a phone. It isn't like buying a cheap plastic phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N!njaDuck:
Wow, this thread has gone sideways. I thought this was a valid question that I have even found my self asking.

Nice, but so what?

I personally am glad to see Nokia entering the market in the states again. I swore by Nokia phones when they were available. They are certainly a nice product, but there are other ones too. It is good to have another quality manufacturer still in the game.

At the end of the day, MS is strugling in the phone OS business and Nokia was strugling in the Hardware (and OS) business. Together, they garner significant press and attention from the investment community.

Together they make hype....

Simply put; the hype is self serving to win market share and clearly doing ok. There is no such thing as bad press, even a thread gone sideways. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] gonintendo:
Agree with you on all but one minor detail, nokia has been consistently putting out really nice hardware since they finally ditched resistive touchscreens. (The N8 and onward, iirc). It was pretty much just their software that was holding them back. (And even then, there were and still are are symbian diehards.) The E7 specifically is one of the nicest looking and feeling phones I've ever seen. Before that, I thought it was impossible to make a phone with a landscape keyboard look nice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] grimchicken402:
Hmm... So it is a plastic?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Nokia = name brand. Known by us older generation as the very high quality almost unkillable phones of our times. I had an old nokia that i dropped in the snow once. I ran over it 4 times with my truck while it was out there. 4 days later i found it. Damn thing still was working. You couldn't read the display as it got cracked but it still dialed and answered calls.

Nokia is also known for innovation. I had a nokia that would do exchange, but wasn't a smart phone. The phone actually split into a keyboard so that half the querty was on the left side and half was on the right of the screen.

http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/nokia-6800-unlocked/4505-6454_7-30532370.html

How many phones of that time did that? And look at the style of that phone. For it's time it stood out.

Most nokias were traded in, or donated in still working condition after you upgraded to the next.

So the sheer thought of a premium nokia handset that looks like the lumina 900 with Super plastic as you guys have pointed out, that doesn't feel like plastic, and clear black display - it frankly makes my generation druel (i'm 37). Don't get me wrong, i love my titan, but i would give it up for the nokia in a heartbeat even though i know i would be losing a replaceable battery and going a little smaller screen size wise then my titan's massive and awesome 4.7

Nokia also has all the contacts. They are one of the biggest phone manufactures to the globe. (note i didn't say smartphone). If they can bring windows phone to most of those customers, you are going to see it take off. In each country that nokia has released a new phone, so far sales have skyrocketed. Places are selling out.. Nokia is bringing marketing to the platform that was never attempted by other oems - like there life depends on it (which it does).

So that my friend is the hype - at least for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N!njaDuck:
ROTFLMAO......
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
This phone definitely doesn't feel cheap.

Something that Nokia has done very well is consider how the device will feel in the hand (not counting low-end phones). Every mid to high-end Nokia I've had has felt amazing and never ever cheap. And I've been buying their more expensive devices ever since the 7210 came out almost a decade ago.

The 800 is so solid and sexy. I don't mind the specs of the Focus S, but at the AT&T store they've had to tape the back cover to it because it keeps popping off with the security thingy glued to it. I also really really really hate the feel of actual plastic. Polycarbonate feels dense.

Wait til I post the results of my accidental "drop test". Was in the case and flew out of my pocket onto pavement, hit the corner near the audio jack, landed on the display and slid. There's a tiny nick out of the corner and a 1-2mm scratch on the glass, outside of the display. There are also a few tiny, tiny marks that look like small hairs that you want to blow off the screen that can only be seen while black and clean.

Needless to say, I was hoping that I'd have gone about a year before dropping the device... not 3 weeks, but am super impressed with how it handled the impact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emjlr3:
its good to get some input from some people who have actually had some face time with the devices

and I purposefully used the term "plastic" to describe its material composition, a. because I knew it was plastic, but more so b. because I figured it would stir debate over its feel and form factor.

so what it seems to boil down to is, its not so much the device or its specs, although by all accounts it looks to be the best WP yet, although not leaps and bounds better than previous offerings. its not so much its form factor, although it seems to be of high quality and feel. its more about the name recognition and marketing that should coincide with its release that should stir the market into finally recognizing the WP OS and its phones.

lets hope it works.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Monkeywoman:
windows phone 8 will be cool-till then android baby!
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I'm thinking its because it's hype. No one has used the device, and the current lumia users are having quite a few issues with their devices. That's not to say that Nokia and Microsoft isn't repairing the issues, but as far as first devices goes, you don't want to have many big issues. I think the main hype is besides the N8, this is the bonafide first Nokia phone that's getting a somewhat bigger push than any phone Nokia previously released

very true, but if anything, people don't want to invest so much in "just a camera" and would prefer to consolidate when necessary. It's a futile argument I do admit, but its one many people have. It's also why the apple iphone camera painstakingly tries to get the best photographic experience for casual users

I think most realize its polycarbonate, a totally different beast.

I reviewed the focus s and it was the first phone I did review. And sadly, I wasn't enthused, I wasn't impressed with it, and overall I just felt the device itself was mediocre. Especially with the brightness issue that the focus s had that wasn't on the focus flash - a phone I would prefer over its big brother any day of the week.

compare the screen to the focus flash and you will writhe in disappointment of the focus s screen in terms of brightness and contrast. Super Amoled+ has better and richer colors, but overall it just wasn't that great.

The titan screen while huge, wasn't much to write home about. For some reason, the bigger the screen on slcd on windows phone, the worst the quality gets. I am perfectly loving the htc radar screen because it is just leaps and bounds above the titan screen. Higher DPI, more color richness, definitely a great screen

I think apps are very important and a great selling point for any phone. And that matters to have more apps that many would find on competing factors. It's not a moot point in the eye of the average user who is used to using a plethora of apps

Agreed. Now tell that to some other wp7 users...watch a flame war spark

little bit premature to say that considering you've never used the device. just saying
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I can tell you why.

The Samsung Focus S is recook of the Samsung Galaxy S II and has the same uninspiring plastic black slab design.

In fact, the only real selling point of the Focus S is the 4.3 inch Super AMOLED Plus screen.

The Nokia Lumia 900, on the other hand, has a polycarbonate unibody and come in bright colors. It has the same 4.3 inch Super AMOLED Plus screen as the Focus S and also the polarizing filter.

LTE support of cause is of great importance now that AT&T is rolling out LTE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sutt359:
One of my jobs is testing mobiles for work, so i get to play with the new phones coming out and get to take them home and play.

I own a Titan myself, so as it was off for repair i thought i would use the Nokia 800 for 2 weeks. I debranded it as i wanted the propper experience, i must say what a sack of crap.

Ok it does look nice but thats where it stops. When installing apps i found it slow, the screen had some wanky fault where if you left your finger on it for too long it would start jumping up and down.

Then if you went to the edge of the screen it wouldnt register a touch. It had some strange graphics issue that would make things wobble um hard to explain, oh if you change the theme to white it sort of blead.

Battery life got almost a day if i was lucky and thats with it just sat on my desk with push email over 3g.

The ringing volume of the Nokia was so low i nearly missed every call or sms.

Yes i was running the latest Nokia fw 501 or somthing with the wp7 update.

Ive now got a nokia 710 which i must say it does have far less bugs, but will be testing that when ive got time. Just waiting for nokia to make a UK version of the firmware other than the networks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Sounds like you got a bad phone. can you return it to try another. I haven't seen any reviews on it as bad as yours. Somewhere i saw an article about the 1st batch having some issues and them replacing them with a 2nd. Try it then post back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emjlr3:
see that is just it

everyone loved the s2, and suddenly, once the focus s is released, no one likes it anymore.....and all its pluses are now negatives to reviewers - very weird indeed - over the summer the s2 was the best phone ever, 3 months later, its terrible, go figure...

i liked the plastic design to the metal titan, like i said before, the titan felt like a clunky brick - the focus feels like a cloud - its all personal preference - will be interesting to get my hands on a nokia in the next few months

for 4G to really be a seller, it needs to actually work, and soon - yea its nice to future proof yourself, but if the 4g isn't really rolling for another year or so (as in, all over the place and actually delivering half decent speeds), i will be damn close to another upgrade by the time it is - and we will probably have 3rd gen phones by then

unfortunately it just feels like nokia is a day late and a dollar short (kind of like the WP OS, all of the super duper apollo features are already features, and have been for some time, of the other big two) - i think the true test will be when apollo is released, and whether or not nokia can shake the world with a high end phone that can compete in sales with the other OS's - we don't need super cpu/ram specs like android and such, but it doesn't help marketing to tout 2 yr old hardware for identical prices (something I have not really gotten either)
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I can't speak for many but I wasn't a huge fan of how many sammy phones felt cheap. Many sites reported similarly that the backing and the overall feel of the phone was far too plasticky (especially the battery door).

That's the biggest issue with windows phone. I love the OS but there are some key features missing and the time it takes for Microsoft to improve is just too long
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwajr:
Its the first wp7 from a manufacturer who is putting wp7 first therefore all the r&d goes to wp unlike the others who put there money first with android then say oh here are the ones the carriers turned down for android lets slap WP on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gonintendo:
*cough* N9 *cough* *cough*
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
HAHAHA!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] surya467:
nokia lumia 800!!! awesome phone...but sum glitches...hope dey could b solved soon...
[Windows Phone 7 General] asribar:
I think the main reason why Lumia 800 is such a success is the fact that Nokia if ithey want to survive, have to succeed with Lumia line, and therefore push it with a strong marketing campaign and great preinstalled apps.

WP7 phones are just an afterthought for Samsung.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tissotti:
People just seem to have surprisingly short memories here.

It was just 3-4 years ago when people where laughing in here Europe and Asia how miserable iOS and Android looked next to Symbian that had developed in to a powerhouse UI in it's 9 years of development. Sales on the first 2 years where also crappy compared to Symbian that did hold much over 64% of all smartphones at best(in Q4 2007 Nokia sold 18 million smartphones alone, that's alone half what Apple sold in 2011 and those where not cheap phones as N95 that costed 600 euros sold 17 million).

Especially iOS hasn't really been moving that fast for past 2 years. Mostly just adding features that Symbian has had for 4 years already. Also it's matter of time before there's time of a big refresh, something Nokia was not able to after Symbian had been out for 7 years.

Windows Phone itself has grown it's app base faster than iOS in 2 years time and it was really GS that pushed Android to it's huge growth after 2 years of Android being in the market.

Apollo at best could put Windows Phone into same line as Android. That itself would be faster than i had thought. I personally think the UI combined with integration to MS product family could be a success, but first it needs to be on par with others.

That said it's far from somehow being written to the stars that Nokia and MS partnership will be a success. There's huge things happening as Microsoft is also putting itself on the line with making it's desktop OS part of the tablet and phone family. Time will tell if that's the right strategy for them, it's certainly different to what Apple did. Nokia has tied it's future to Windows 8 and WP8 success, or lack of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knorkat:
My opinion in short:

The phone is hyped, but widely not want/bought by consumers.

long version:

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Hardware:

The hardware is medicore, for a Nokia flagship (even the Lumia 900) it's terrible.

They had the best hardware in the mobile industry for a long time. Now their flagship is on specification already outdated.

Even in comparision with Nokia devices:

N8 had a much better camera a year ago

N9 had the same case plus MicroSD, TVout, USB mass-storage and a bigger screen size .

Software:

WP7.5 is a good operating system, but it can't reach iOS/Android.

The enclosed WP7 is the opposite of former Nokia devices.

In comparison with iOS/Android there is no compelling reason to buy it:

enlosed as iOS and no features the open Android can't offer.

Brand:

Windows, Microsoft, Internet Explorer and Zune - to put it simple - have a bad image.

Nokia had a superb image, with consumers, telecom providers and developers, but that changed -

*) Nokia had an open source policiy + community (Symbian, MeeGo) and they allied with Microsoft, which stands on the opposite.

Developer and consumers alike feel betrayed.

[result: lost customers]

*) They publicity killed Symbian and MeeGo, turned to WP but had nothing to offer for almost a year.

[result: lost customers]

*) Then the device came and has major bugs, such as battery live which might results in a dead phone.

[result: lost customers]

*) enclosed device: Apple has the consumers for that, but for Nokia it's a killer feature in the opposite direction.

[result: lost customers. android users won't swith for that reason and apple users are already in their "ecosystem"]

*) data exchange/synchronisation only with Windows Cloud, that doesn't do well with a Nokia phone.

*) Nokia as an European company has now the data storgae in US - no difference there to Apple/Google

In the end, the brand that was Nokia was dramatically changed/was damaged with their EXCLUSIVE alliance.

They could have made WP-phone's, but

- never ever drop Symbian in such a manner,

- kill MeeGo and

- switch EXCLUSIVE to WP.

Microsoft and Nokia made the biggest possible market introduction with Lumia and supported it with vast amount of cash.

The result is marginal - Windows Phone is still shrinking in market share and Nokia with it.

Nokia haven't realised yet how much consumers resent the alliance and the new phones - even in Nokia affine Finnland the figureas are really bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] madmanmostafa:
Knorkat, it seems like you posted that without having actually used a WP7 based phone. My friend actually bought the Lumia 710 and I must say, it moves Very quickly and quite fluidly. It's really what the iPhone should have been on first launch.

Personally, I wouldn't mind making the transition over to it from Android, except there are just some applications that I must have before I'd be willing to do such a change. I'm even telling some of my friends that don't care about all the extra junk to get one. The phone is great on battery, has an amazing screen, and the upcoming 910 has a 12mp camera. Oh and the phone is super sexy.

But you're right about one thing. MeeGo shouldn't have been killed off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] badboy70:
Nokia is definately doin a great job at marketing it. Even the most hardcore iPhone users I know are saying "It's good" and that it would be an alternative to them if they iPhone would somehow fail.
[TouchPad General] DNak206:
New to this forum so excuse me for relying on the awesome XDA community but is this worth $240? Brand new 32gb (wifi only of course), mint condition with case, hp keyboard, all cables, etc.

If so, I need to make a commitment in the next few hours, your input is appreciated!

Very tempted to purchase and go dual-boot with CM7. Just rooted my buddies TouchPad and kind of digging it. I figure I can sell my iPad2 and recoup the expenses.
[TouchPad General] shorty87:
Considering they are going for around that much or more on eBay, I think that would be a good deal.
[TouchPad General] DNak206:
Didn't even think to check ebay honestly, I had ran a quick craigslist run but nothing beyond that. Thanks for the tip.
[TouchPad General] R1ptide:
32 or 16 gb?
[TouchPad General] iamsamsamiam:
With newer stuff coming out this year like a tegra 3 tablet that only costs 250, I guess that the magic price point of the touchpad has to be about 200 for the 32GB model for it to be worth it.
[TouchPad General] DNak206:
32GB, updated the initial post. Yeah, I was thinking $240 was only questionable because I was getting case + HP keyboard with the deal. I could arguably sell my ipad2 for $4-500 pretty easily and get my money back and as much as I liked my pad, I could find ways to love an Android tablet instead. Plus it seemed the dev for this thing has moved so quickly, it seemed to be a safe bet for the cost.
[TouchPad General] nyamd20:
Ya very good deal I got mine for 280 with 16 gb and nothing else so you should buy better than most tablets around that price even the ones that cost more
[TouchPad General] scrizz:
that's a very good deal, especially considering that you're getting the case and keyboard.
[TouchPad General] BuddyJoe83:
Good deal, buy, install ICS and welcome to the bunch!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zipstor:
Hi there,

Each time my HTC Desire is connecting to my local WiFi, ESET 5.0 antivirus on my laptop is signalling a "Cache Poisoning Attack"

I have changed operators twice, same deal... I had Froyo previously is was doing this and exactly the same thing is happening with ICS..

Let me know if you have any idea.

Thanks in advance.
[General Questions and Answers] eh_hk:
Or more specific sync with foobar2000 as it really a good player and it manage all my music file.

It got a apple plugin for a long time, will it happen on android:confused:

Most of my music is ape+cue so musicmonkey doesn't work at all
[General Questions and Answers] Merrie:
Hey,

I recently found a good possibility to sync my music with my PC: It's a freeware called Audials Light that I have on my computer and an app calles Audials on my Android.

Both have a function Audials Anywhere that makes the syncing of music and videos pretty easy.

Here's the link to get the freeware: personalmediacloud.com

And the app you get in the Android Market (now Google Play ;) ): just search for "Audials"

Hope I could help you!
[General Questions and Answers] australize:
I sync with windows media player
[Member-Found Deals] garynsa:
Not sure of this is the right place so sorry if it's not. Saw this and wanted to share

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] nicoled985:
It's not responsive!