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[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
So after my experimenting with the latest OTA update I cannot attain s-off, and I don't think you will be able to with the new bootloader.

I think the people that were able to downgrade with the latest OTA were able to do it before they rebooted with the new hboot.

It seems that we are going to end up like the Evo 3D people where you have to use fastboot to flash a kernel boot.img and clock to flash the kernel/rom.

If anyone can come up with any other work arounds please feel free to suggest them.

I had the unlocked bootloader, running UKE AOSP ROM (CM7) and tried the misc.img trick. When I rebooted to flash PG06IMG.zip I noticed my bootloader went from unlocked to locked.

It seems that HTC has patched the misc.img trick.

Again, I am more than willing to admit I am wrong and hope someone can prove me wrong on this.
[EVO Shift 4G General] blahbl4hblah:
Maybe you should stop "experimenting" on things that will cause serious issues to your phone
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
It says in the title do not accept ota updates and I think that is a valid point. Only developers should accept and download the ota updates so they can make revisions on rom/fimeware updates to avoid loosing the eng s-off bootloader.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
Sure I understand that people like you that already have the s-on unlocked are use to it. I'm not the type of person that flashes roms constantly so I think that's a stereo-type. I guess what it really comes down to is people that are use to having s-off will not like the new s-on bootloader, and there will be a stock sense rom soon enough for people that have and want to keep s-off to flash. Now can you tell me what a nandroid unlocked device is? Can you nandroid restore from a stock sense rom to a aosp rom and the kernel will get restored in recovery? I don't think it will. Sure I don't like to switch roms a lot, but I do like to nandroid restore every once in awhile back to ruu to check for prl/profile updates. I might not always be at me pc to do a fastboot flash boot.img when doing nandroid restores or flash a no wipe updated rom that has new features in it. I also use my pc a lot for compiling so it takes a lot of my pc's resources to do that. So therefore even when I am at my pc it might not be available for doing those types of things.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Good point, and good thing this is my "dev" phone.
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
Now you just need to learn how to dev... Lmfao!
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
I can tell you what would irritate you is that the bootloader isn't allowing recovery to write to the boot partition. I can tell you recovery can write to data and to system. I can tell you that what I wrote up above is that, at the very least, what we need is the ability to write to all three at the same time. That's a feature I want, which is what I said up above.

Indeed, the very fact that restoring a nand backup is a two-boot two-step process is exactly what I think is broken with this unlock tool. I, too, would benefit from being able to backup and restore while not at a PC.

For what it's worth, I've wiped data once since I did the unlock and flashed recovery and cw recovery restored it. Additionally, I even just flashed a 2.3.3 zip in recovery to test a theory I had about loading recovery.img off a hard drive to see if it got better permissions than loading it from the phone. The answer? No it doesn't, but hey, at least recovery was able to overwrite 2.3.3 with 2.3.4 and restore my user data.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
Yes but it's not very easy to get that extra feature. Look at the evo 3D and how long they've been using the s-on bootloader. HTC is making more and more difficult to get s-off without bricking the phone while in the process of doing it. I've know many devs to brick their phones just trying to achieve s-off for all of us to enjoy, but most of them won't talk about it they'll just suck it up and keep doing what they normally do.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Yep we are now in the 3vo camp.

But, we can still flash roms and kernels, it's just more of a pain than it used to be.
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
I am trying to say, and I thought I expressed it correctly, that the HTC unlock needs to enable recovery to work correctly, and that if it did, not having S-OFF would really be no big deal whatsoever.

If they enabled that, I would be 100% happy with an S-ON unlockable bootloader. In short, I am asking for HTC to give us that extra feature. No more. I don't need to write to radio.

But, since they don't, I understand the desire to keep S-OFF.

PERSONALLY, I will be happy with S-ON because 2.3.4 doesn't suck and I'm not compelled to switch away from it or put in a custom kernel. I *fully* recognize I am in a minority in that position.

IF, however, I purchase another HTC phone in the future and the only option for writing to the phone's memory is this half-assed bootloader unlock, I will be very unhappy. That's why I'm going to engage in a little back and forth with them, and why I'm going to wait for any future phone purchase for the software for it to settle down. I'm not buying something that's stuck in pocket mode ever again.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the problem is not recovery, the problem is the bootloader.

You can flash clockwork recovery, but you cannot overwrite the bootloader.
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
No, you're correct; you'll note I said "HTC unlock needs to enable recovery to work correctly." We all know recovery works right, since we were using it last week. This week, with bootloader unlock, it doesn't work right. BUT of course, as we also all know because you've succesfully done it, the bootloader allows you to write to boot with fastboot commands.

Thus, The problem is that the htc unlock doesn't let the bootloader give recovery permission to write to boot.

That's what I want fixed and what the dev community and people who want faster flash and restore need.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Well I guess it's time to trollolol HTC again?

Please note though, that HTC only supports unlocked bootloaders on HTC devices released after September 2011. We aren't even supposed to have an unlocked bootloader.
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
Just before I wrote the longwinded post above, I sent a direct contact message through htcdev.com… then a little while ago, I tweeted at them about it, too.

I don't expect a positive result, but I guess I owe it to myself and to the community to at least try to do what I can!
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
When you say "we" I'm assuming your talking about yourself and a few select others. I think a majority of the shift community still has s-off, so this doesn't really apply to a majority of the shift community.
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
Most of the community won't keep the shift forever. Not that we will meet with any success by trying to convince HTC that leaving boot off-limits to recovery is a mean-spirited and pointless thing to do, but on the off chance they'll listen, wouldn't you rather have people working toward getting it to be an official part of the official solution so that your next HTC phone is easier to work with while unlocked/S-ON?

If we have to put up with bootloader unlocks from now on instead of leaked engineering software, at least someone should fight to make sure they aren't crappy.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
Yes I agree HTC should allow s-off when unlocking the bootloader maybe as a seperate option or just part of the main unlocking feature on their website. S-on mean security on so if you want them to make a unlockable bootloader it needs to be s-off and not s-on that protects things like recovery from flashing the boot partition.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
****ty quality but:

Thanks again otaking71
[EVO Shift 4G General] YoungCorruptionV2.0:
And if we pressure them into give us s-off maybe they would do it to future phones
[EVO Shift 4G General] madplaya1:
Is that s-off from the newest update ^?
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
well, or there's that...

Sparksco, I think S-OFF isn't something we'll ever get voluntarily. Do you need it though? Do you need to be able to write to EVERY partition (HBOOT and radios come to mind)? I mean, recovery can't flash radio anyway, can it? What rom has ever come with its own HBOOT?

I get that in an ideal world, the phone would be totally unlocked. That'll never voluntarily happen unless HTC has purposefully leaked every engineering bootloader. With their current S-ON unlock, we have permission to flash data, system, and boot, which is a very good thing - we just don't have them all in one place in recovery. I want them in one place, you want them in one place. I'm trying to suggest that asking for something small like that is going to be a lot easier than trying to get them to agree to endorse full S-OFF, especially in a world where we have both carriers and the FCC or whatever other national regulatory bodies care about letting unlicensed people overwrite sensitive radio hardware.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Yes. It is.
[EVO Shift 4G General] madplaya1:
I'm impressed good job otaking71
[EVO Shift 4G General] crump84:
So does that make this whole thread pointless....?
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
No, because you should never take OTA updates anyway. :P
[EVO Shift 4G General] otaking71:
yea.....i've raped hboot of it's all controlling glory again....i'm torn on the process....htc might "fix" it again if it's posted how it's done.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Hey! I get 50% credit this time. otaking helped me put 2 and 2 together but yeah otaking ftw!
[EVO Shift 4G General] otaking71:
lol..you guinea pigged..and gave me the groundwork/info for me coming up with it...it's probably 2/3s me and 1/3 j00...but if i didn't get a good description/understanding of what was going on...i wouldn't have figured it out....so maybe it is 50/50
[EVO Shift 4G General] madplaya1:
I didn't mean no offense, but thank you too man vidocan and otaking ftw! Good **** guys.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
When you come to San Jose you have to take the Amatos challenge.
[EVO Shift 4G General] YoungCorruptionV2.0:
I hope i have you around for my next phone otaking lol and you too vicodan
[EVO Shift 4G General] otaking71:
Haha...I don't post often..so you might not even know that I have the same phone..lol
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
Make sure you buy the same phone as me..

The next HTC ICS slider with LTE.
[EVO Shift 4G General] YoungCorruptionV2.0:
^^lol that will probably be my next phone. I'm holding onto my 1 year upgrade till then
[EVO Shift 4G General] retrokevin:
but...but...
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
Well they have said your the raper of hboots so I guess they weren't lying lol. I'm out of thanks for the day already but when I get some I'll come back and hit the thanks button. Thanks you and yes please don't post how it's done or tell anyone that speaks with htc directly ;)
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
In the same boat, maybe we can put this on a pw protected site/wiki.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
I told HTC all about you. They'll be sending the feds after you soon. :eek:
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
Dunno if I did it the same way that you did, but...

:woop:
[EVO Shift 4G General] turkbot:
I got a question if you pull anything out of an update zip will it not work???
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
You will break the signature, and it will not work...
[EVO Shift 4G General] turkbot:
Ah ok gotcha what do you have to do to re sign it??
[EVO Shift 4G General] turkbot:
If that's even possible
[EVO Shift 4G General] turkbot:
Nm ill get back to ya guys In A bit gunna try something hopefully I don't break my phone O_O that would suck
[EVO Shift 4G General] YoungCorruptionV2.0:
^^^There is a program that signs zips
[EVO Shift 4G General] turkbot:
Yeah I found it but I can't get the ota for some reason no fota app maybe
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
I don't think you did because it still says s-on on the top.
[EVO Shift 4G General] crump84:
His phone is still s-on but isn't that the bootloader version from the 2.3.3 update? I think the 2.3.4 bootloader is 0.99.xxx
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
You cant resign it... Come on guys if it was that easy don't you think it would have been done already???
[EVO Shift 4G General] nurrwick:
Yup, you got it. I had trouble with the 2.2 software not wanting to install (I think the ASUS sync software really screws with anything that needs to run adb, btw)
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
You got downgraded, you can get s-off from here.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
In that case you should be narcing on yourself :p
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
I'm not sure if htc is going to do a ICS update for the shift or not but I doubt it. That is probably why there is no ruu for this latest update. They probably figured there's no point since this will be the last update, and it's a small update at that. I'm hearing now that the Evo 4G will not even get it. So with that in mind, you and otaking71 might as well post away on how this is done if this going to be the last locked bootloader update for the shift that they release. If not now give it some time and think it over, stalk HTC on what they are doing and planning just like they do to us ;)
[EVO Shift 4G General] YoungCorruptionV2.0:
I just stated there was a signing program :P I guess i should of made it clear by saying you can't resign it
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
There is various ways to sign things but they use differnet release keys. Htc has a unique set of release keys for signing things for their recoveries to recognize and use. If you use any other keys their stock recovery won't accept it. Good luck getting them to hand over their keys to you lol.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sherlockpwnz:
Anyone who speaks directly to htcdevs should be flown to a distant and remote desert and left lol dont worry if theyre pro enough theyll know bear grylls' no. 1 pro tip to survive.
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
I don't speak to HTC devs, they read this forum which is why we are hesitant to post the downgrade method.

Also my camera is broken on my replacement. I'll be calling HTC tomorrow.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
I have root on stock, should be available on rom manager in about a hour or so.
[EVO Shift 4G General] crump84:
Hell, if they go by the same time frame as they did to patch the first 2 exploits, this phone will be eol by the time they get around to patching this one..
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
LOL! I'll be posting the new downgrade method shortly.
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
It's probably " So easy, even a vicodan can do it. " ... A little geico humor for ya...
[EVO Shift 4G General] VICODAN:
It really is.
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
We're all counting on drob311 to unlock the next bootloader!
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
Next??? We just saw our last ota update... So yup! I'm in for unlocking the next bootloader... Here ya go...

Sent from my PG06100 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
That one just went right over your head didn't it???

:what:
[EVO Shift 4G General] drob311:
I was returning the sarcasm... Here ya go again... Lol...

Sent from my PG06100 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk 2
[EVO Shift 4G General] sparksco:
That's pretty funny since I don't have any babies lol!
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Or maybe it's BBC that got trolled IRL. lol

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[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Evacuate the dungeon!

Edit: Post #4000!
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Grab teh cookies...grab teh cookies!!!!! and don't forget The game *which you've lost* :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Godammit... again?? :(

Edit: Nice to see the BBC Licence Fees not being wasted on frivolous reporting. 'Coming next to the BBC. A six part expose... M_T_M, Troll or Genius - A 9 part miniseries on the life of a forum moderator. :D
[Off-topic] Archer:
I'm glad we don't experience that kind of troll in here. That's a pretty low form of life right here.
[Off-topic] jaszek:
I just feel that it's hilarious how a an international network does a piece about internet trolling. What happened to 'do not feed the troll'? And isn't that guy happy now since the point of trolling is to get attention?
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Troll was fed filet mignon that day....also the game was lost by all of you...again!:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] jaszek:
But I lost less then 30 minutes ago.
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Clearly that guy was a ****, but some trolling is just so well done that you can't help but be in awe of it:

Segue to a Cracked article...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-biggest-****-moves-in-history-online-gaming/

I always loved this one, mainly for the EVE Online story. I read about this when it happened and it was so audacious you couldn't help but laugh.

"As with the real-world economy, making a profit in the world of EVE Online is easier if you form corporations. While many spend years working together for mutual gain, others behave a lot like corporations do in the real world. Or at least how they would if they operated in a universe where murder is legal.

For instance, the Guiding Hand Social Club assassinates people for profit and steals their stuff for bonuses. In one instance, they were hired to destroy "Mirial," the CEO of Ubiqua Seraph corporation. While many EVE Online players literally grind rocks for hours to make a profit, the GHSC use the assignment to show everyone what Ocean's Eleven would have been like if it took place in the Star Wars universe."
[Off-topic] husam666:
I use my rl fb account, come at me BBC

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btw, RIP pages and insults like that are pure noobism, that's not trolling, that's newf*gotry
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Here mtm... Take this

Happy? I lost 4 times in 5 minutes because of your posts :p
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
Just when I thought it was safe to talk trash behind my computer.
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
I actually watched that whole episode of panorama after seeing that clip a few days ago...

Sick b*******s.....

Btw, all the good threads are on the second page...

Obviously not this one anymore but meh....
[Off-topic] psxpetey:
Trolls are annoying cowards lol they only say what they say because they no none can get at them lol
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Totaly agree, and i was browsing BBC right now, and guess what? The dude (troll) got beaten up yesterday.

"Nimrod Severn" Attacked After BBC Confrontation"
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Finally trolls getting what they deserve. I'm happy to see someone to stand against trollism and trolls.
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Who's argument?
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
He's the guy over there that looks like Alan but sounds like twitch....

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.......
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Twallan????
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
This is this the best post ever. :D

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.......
[Off-topic] misfitdeluxe:
That was absolutely brilliant! I have to re-share that vid on my G+ page! Freakin' awesome! :D
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Lmao! Now that's the greatest post of 2012, if not of all time xD
[Off-topic] hnx6310:
Trolololol
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Facebook memorial pages are a joke. If someone died in my family, I wouldn't make a memorial page on FB, I'd go to the funeral home and spend the last few minutes with them and hope they go where they wanted to go after death.
[Off-topic] boborone:
6150 posts later and still nothing of interest

:p

and.......

O_O wth, how, what, why, holy jebus
[Off-topic] ScatteredHell:
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[Off-topic] Thats OK:
Ancient thread I know...seen it a while back.

A little scary how the internet is sometimes seen as a weapon.

Everything with a grain of salt I guess.

Sometimes in the past on other forums I used to get bothered by overactive trolling.

I don't see it as evil...just a product of inebriate actions or boredom.

Two way interaction on the internet ain't for the weak.
[Off-topic] jaszek:
If you were bothered, that means the trolls were doing their job correctly.
[Off-topic] ak700:
I think the best way to pass trolling, is just staying silent rather than retaliating.
[Off-topic] Tovagulet:
As a professional troll, I can say that trolling is pure art. Ever tried trolling? Its really hard. You don't go and post on foums "******" cause that will make it obvious neither saying "that guy is my hero" when everyone knows, its no ones hero.

Trolls will always be part of the internet.
[Off-topic] Thats OK:
Eggzactly!

Troo

Was recently in an internet slapfest with someone on XDA.

Wasn't really a trolling event tho...should have just let it go I guess.
[Off-topic] ak700:
Wait... when did you become a professional troll?
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
1969? :confused:
[Off-topic] boborone:
Professional? When was he ever a troll?
[Off-topic] jaszek:
A? When the hell did he ever become an a?
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Jessica aint no troll. Exactly.
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Where have you been loser?
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Penis.
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Purple-headed yogurt slinger.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Merge threads!
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Merge yourself
[Off-topic] Will of fire:
Hi
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Merge your mom.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Maybe it's an epic 3 part troll movie in the works

Lord of the trolls, the fellowship of the troll

Lord of the trolls, the troll towers

Lord of the trolls, return of the troll
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Imma produce said film series and hire Robin Williams as Gandalf the non-funny :eek:
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
So are you going to lead MTM?
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
I may or may not depending on what the producer pays me! :eek::silly:

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[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
I hear it's minimum wage
[Off-topic] :
Um now I need a post in this thread otherwise it messes up my participated tab in tapatalk ?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

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Hmm looks like it's still screwed...

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

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[MENTION=4666951]Ichigo[/MENTION]

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Off-topic] veeman:
Outrageous! I demand $25.50 an hour. ?
[Off-topic] :
I'll give you about tree fiddy.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Off-topic] veeman:
Five fiddy or gtfo
[Off-topic] veeman:
Four fiddy..
[Off-topic] :
You're haggling up instead of down? ?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Off-topic] boborone:
fo fiddy fo sho
[Off-topic] veeman:
I think he has no idea what he's doing... :/

Yes, fo fiddy fo sho.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] caifan:
I came from the Droid Charge and found the push email to be nice. I am kinda disappointed that the GN does not offer push and have to rely on 3rd party app...oh well.

What's also odd is that for whatever reason my Roadrunner email account will not work on the stock GN email app...I came from a Droid Charge and it worked fine on the stock email app...prior to that I was on the Fascinate and it didn't work. I don't know but there is something with the Charge email app that made it work and something the about the Fascinate and Nexus email apps that make it fail...odd!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
Of course there is push mail - Gmail.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] caifan:
I was referring to the stock app as not having push. I got my email to work on Maildroid and Seven, but the crazy thing is that it won't work on K9 or Enhanced Email...I get connection errors. Well at least I get push email now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Se7enLC:
"Stock Email App" on a Nexus device is the actual Android Open-Source email app. Same with the browser, messaging, and everything else. With the exception of Music, which for some reason is the closed-source Google Music.

"Stock Email App" on a Droid or other branded device could be anything!

The answer is of course "download whatever email client you want to". A few of them support IMAP "push" email.