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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CyberGhos:
With you bro. I plan on doing the same thing.

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I don't think AT&T blocks IMEI.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 00mred00:
I never really understood until looking at my wife's udage history over the past 4 years (pre wed, pre "true" smartphone)

She had never used more than half a gig of data.

Now she averaged 3gb a month.

My opinion is that there are two factors at play

1. There is actually congestion in peak periods on the 3g network

2. People are using more, carriers want to charge more.

A corporate ATT guy flat out told me that ATT is pissed that other companies generate profit based on a users web usage (clicks/shopping/ect) and that they want a bigger piece of that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Aerials:
I agree with your points. at&t along with the other main US carriers are taking every possible action to 'nickle and dime' the customers whenever possible. Especially in at&t's case with that T-Mobile merger fiasco....they decided to increase data prices to make up for that money they lost.

Like how they advertise the glory of enhanced LTE speeds....but yet how are most people supposed to enjoy that with tiered data and/or throttled unlimited data.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] idanoclo:
coming from an unlimited data plan on the iphone 3g to inspire 4g i could download what i want, browse the web as long as i want, watch the lakers games on nba league pass mobile when i want. january, 15th i just upgraded to the skyrocket lte grand fathered in with unlimited data i found myself throttled at 1.2gb. thats 1 300mb movie, 2 80-100mb music ablums, web use no longer than hour and speedtest here and there just to say "my phone is faster than yours" to my friends on other carriers. five days after i get the top 5% user text and that was it. i didnt think anything of it since i didnt use too much data. bragging to friends how my phone is fast and is the s*** and they should pick one up and leave tmo, sprint, verizon just to show them how slow the internet was. throttled till this day with download speeds of 119kbps which is some crap. $50 nba league pass mobile app untouched and is now worthless. so much for watching basketball games on the go.

being with att for more 6 yrs and having unlimited data to be throttled at 1.2gb of data usage is a joke. at least throttle my data usage at 5gb since thats the highest data plan. it would probably give more time to use the so called unlimited data plan.

it is what it is and im still returning the skyrocket for the gnote. happy and mad at the same time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
I am starting to read this crap about AT&T's unlimited LTE and now I am not so sure what to do. I have a DROID RAZR on the big red and I have been droping data like mad and have been slowed down to under 2mbs. (Speed test says higher, but real world says crap.I have had my s2 out do my LTE phone in video downloads a lot more than it should have. )

I am waiting for the S3 for my final word.

P.S You guys are not alone, but at lest you don't drop data every DAY. (I could tell you what I am doing at the time and it's BS.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
I just got the text for the first time.

Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] StevenMattera:
I agree the throttle policy is flawed in the fact that, if the top 5% are okay with being throttled they will continue their normal data usage. The problem however is they are not so they either leave AT&T or they lower their data usage. When this happens it lowers the margin for the top 5%. I think what is going on in some of these markets is that the top 5% has become so low that it's absurd and they are no longer burdening the network. In my opinion when the top 5% is in the 3GB range the throttle policy should no longer be in effect for a specific time period. The reason behind the 3GB is that the tiered plan is the same price as what we pay for unlimited. The policy should be turned off for a specific amount of time to allow for the top 5% to grow again. Of course if AT&T sees a huge spike in data usage once they turn it off they should have the power to turn it back on.

Also when using acronyms for gigabyte and megabyte you do not need to put a "s" to make it plural, it's just GB and MB. Also for transfer rates it's either:

GBPS - Gigabits per second

GBps - Gigabytes per second

MBPS - Megabits per second

MBps - Megabytes per second

Also note that there is a huge difference in bits and bytes.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] phillyrican:
Data throttling...?

I have unlimited data but I'm not familiar with this term can you explain this to me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] StevenMattera:
AT&T's policy is if you are a Unlimited data user and you are in the top 5% of users that use the most data in your market then they will slow down your data speed. It's still unlimited in a sense, but slow. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Do we really have to go through this in every forum? Look in your contract, look deep. There are clauses that say they can limit your speed if you are found to be abusing the data. I personally think if you're an abuser they should throttle you and give the non abusers more bandwidth. We all pay for the same unlimited but why should I, using under 3gb a month, have to pay for your 5 or even 10? In the end, they dont give a **** about you. Your 5 line family plan is a speck on a hundred dollar bill to them. I have been on the phone with a rep while trying to do a customers upgrade and they wouldnt. The customer said Ill leave and the rep told him "We dont need you on our network"

I wish we could just make a forum called "I abuse the data everyone is paying for and I need somewhere to ***** because I got what was coming to me"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
+1.

Your refusal to pay your bill will not hurt AT&T a bit. On the other hand, AT&T could put a dent on your credit report and will come back bite you when you need your credit the most, like a home loan or auto loan or even sign up a post paid account with another carrier.

AT&T is trying all the tricks to get rid of unlimited data users. Your voluntary leave fits the needs of AT&T perfectly.

Unlimited data was created back in the dark ages where smartphones ran at 100Mhz CPU clock and data speed was around 100kbps or below. And there were only 5 ppl actually paying for it on each market. It was a mistake that they kept it for so many years. AT&T or any other carrier doesn't have the unlimited bandwidth to support such a large customer base all with unlimited and blazing fast smartphones. Something have to go. Would you rather AT&T revoke everyone's unlimited data plan immediately or let you grand fathered in but throttle your speed?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jwood55812:
"And I will not pay etf fee let them ruin my credit I don't give a ..."

Haha how old are you....?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Its an at&t roller coaster ride lol..

Seriously, this is a form of bullying.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samomamo:
Im 33 I have a home and a car which I paid full. So what's your point?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samomamo:
How you like if they start throttle you home internet? U can watch half a movie and that's it back to the stone age. This company's making billions they shuld invest in improvement of their networks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Home internet is also capped across the board (200 to 250 GB per month) and in some cases throttled. So how do you feel about that?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jon225:
I am curious if they only throttle certain phones in the top 5%.

I have an Atrix that I never upgraded from the Froyo version that came on the phone. I use between 4-5 gigs a month and have not been throttled yet.

I hope when I activate the new note sim it doesn't trigger me to be put in the "watch close" category. Of course maybe I haven't been in the top 5 in my area.

I thought I read on the Skyrocket forum a few people were never throttled with their previous phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] slaydog:
I believe its the 4g that triggers the throttling.

I think most of us agree that abusers should be stopped. If you are going to cancel your home phone, cable and internet and replace them all with your phone, that's abuse.

I would hope that we all can agree that 2-3 gigs is not abuse, certainly not 1 gig!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jon225:
Feaux g or Lte?

I wonder if I could continue using my current sim to get Hspa+ and avoid being throttled. Lte is not im my area yet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Just got throttled today, here in the east bay area. Then I went to the website and check my usage. 2GB.

2GB?! WTF. I'm about to call later today, what should I say? What can I say?

Grandfathered unlimited, never went past 3GB with my iPhone 4. I'm using the Skyrocket now. Usage is between 2 and 3GB tops. Now this?

Advice? (yes, I tried to change the APN already, tried a bunch, no success until now).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
So were you successful or not? By reading your last sentence "no success until now" it sounds like you found a work around?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Sorry I meant up to now. Still searching for threads outthere with more apn. Skyrocket thread is no go.

Edit: I'm on the phone with AT&T right now. Got transferred to a department that handle cases like this. Called ABS. Operator didn't tell me what the acronym meant.

Update: Lady from the ABS told me that only unlimited data plan users are being throttled. She said that if I were on the 3GB plan and used the same 2GB plan I wouldn't be throttled. What?

So I ask for her to state the same thing in writing. She declined. I said email, fax or text message stating that I wouldn't be throttled out of the unlimited plan. She declined. I am now waiting for the supervisor.

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Update 2: I also asked about keeping my new phone a putting me out of the LTE network. "I just like my new phone and the bigger screen. If I give up the LTE, can you put me on a plan with similar speed as I had on the iPhone 4?" NO, she said, you'd have to give up on the LTE device to use a non LTE service."

I really not buying this out of unlimited = no throttling. Aren't there reports here of people on XDA with 3GBs/5GBs plan and they're also being throttled?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 00mred00:
As I have mentioned before..I in no way support those that are abusing the network.

I have been throttled twice, once while on vacation which really sucked. we were uplaoding pics and vids and such of our wedding vacation.

when wifi was available we used it (and in most of those cases we were not even on our phones, we used the laptop) We also streamed pandora pretty much constantly while driving.

The second time was this past billing cycle. again, wifi used when available.. (I have 50 mb cable internet here at the house, and use wifi when out an about, but I'm not a hipster, if I am not at home I am at work, there is no wifi there) Actually I would imagine that about half of the data I used last month (7.5 gb total) was used bringing you guys and 2 other sites information about the note haha.

I'm sorry but that in no way is abuse...but this conversation has been had in other forums (pretty much by me and the same people lol)

We did the math and found our solution if they continue to throttle. The last rep claimed there is nothing in writing because this was a temporary solution...it led me to believe it will go away.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
3GB plan only started in 1/22/12. I serously doubt anyone will report throttled.

Besides, it doesn't make any economic sense to AT&T. If you have a 2GB plan and you used 3GB, you will have to pay $$$ for the overage.

It is only a problem for unlimited data users because they feel the entitlement to use whatever amount they want but there is now way for AT&T to charge extra.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Agreed.

I hope it goes away. My billing cycle end on the 14th. I'll keep trying solutions, or then I'll be forced to switch to the 3GB/5GB plan.

Here's the wording the Manager pointed me to:

(AT&T Support site)

I think it's a game of chicken. Once a substantial number of unlimited users move out of their grandfathered plans, the remaining users will keep all the goodies, and will be no little as to not matter for them anyway.

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Corrected for you.

C'mon, I'm being throttled at 2GB. Don't generalize.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Thanks for the correction :)

But if you're on a 2GB plan, you will never attempt to go near the 2GB mark.

I consider myself pretty heavy data user on my unlimited but on average I never exceeds 1GB of usage. The only time I reached 2GB was when watched too many netflix movies. And I considered myself abuse the data :)

I think when most unlimited data users switched out, the ones who left will be throttle 100% of the time. To be hornest, the customers who have grandfathered unlimited data plans probably only around 5% of all AT&T customers who have data plans (ever since they mandated smartphone data plan requirements) to start with. This is AT&T's grand schema to get rid of all the unlimited data subscribers without being publicized as such. Once all unlimited users are removed, they can start moving the pricing of data plans upwards (we already see such movement from $15/mo to $20/mo).

I can predict in the future, we will see minimum $30/mo for 500MB and $50 or $60 for 4GB, all including tethering.

They can't make this move if there are still unlimited data $30/mo in use.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samomamo:
Bunch of sisi's ohh I feel I am abusing watching Netflix. Grow some man. The are ass raping castomers and we have to feel sorry for watching Netflix?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
You're welcome.:)

Yeah, I would probably choose the 5GB to get grandfathered on the current rates! :eek:

You are neither.

Unless they start throttling at 500MB, I don't see how many unlimited users will switch. My wife is on the unlimited and never went past 600MB, and she probably doesn't even know she is on the unlimited data. She won't care enough to change, unless she has to.

If I could predict the future, I'd say that in 5-10 years, I'll have wi-fi all over town at 3G speeds, and I won't care much about 4G LTE unless I'm "roaming" - highways, etc.

San Francisco, other cities, soon will have wifi, and people will make calls over wifi. It won't be enough for streaming netflix, probably, but it will be enough to make calls, and so a large part of the revenue for AT&T and the like will drop. I predict a big trouble for cellular networks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
This is why noone should give in and switch to any other data plan. We shouldnt be afraid to watch netflix.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
This is BS when having a smartphone we have options for Netflix, Pandora,Hulu, movie downloads and many more streaming services. Now if we are limited or capped by our provided how does this improve the experience of having a smartphone. They say the average person uses less than 2gb. Just using Netflix can surpass this number. I believe their so callled cap was estimated before Netflix was widely available on smartphone. I just think this is BS and I am just ranting if nobody agrees with me.

Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
I completely understand, but I can't empathize with netflix users, because I've never used it, or hulu, on my phone - I do use crackle, vevo, on my tablet though.

But mind you, google music uses a huge amount of data, specially if you have large mp3files (with embedded album art, 320kbps files). One day using Google Music cost me 300MB! that's amost 1/4 of my monthly (before throttling) allocation! So be careful.

Another major data consumer for me is uploading facebook/phanfare accounts for the family abroad. Wife is in London for two weeks and we use skype a lot for face calls, and I upload 1080p videos on the fly when I'm in the parks, other recreational areas. There went another GB in the month (Skype, Pictures, Video uploading). In the suburbs, where I live, there's no AT&T wifi outside the local Starbucks. There's 3 huge parks, 2 big soccer practice fields where I take the kids and where I have to use the amazing LTE Speeds (when I'm home, wife is already sleeping, due to the fuse). That's the only time of the day where the time zone matches for a live chat. Not anymore, because I'm being throtlled though, so I'll have to explain the girls today, after the 4H meeting, there will be no talking with mommy for a week...

So let's no assume we're just downloading files and using netflix. I'd say there's lot of users out there with particular needs that also use data.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
I agree that there is a lot of usage for mobile data. But none of that can't be achieved if you WAIT until you get home. With convenience comes the price. Obviously AT&T thinks $30/mo for unlimited upload and download on their current network is unsustainable. Hence the tiered data plan.

If it costs you $100 for each 1080p video upload, will you still do it?

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I predict not. Bandwidth is not free. City wide wi-fi costs $$$. And money does not fall from sky or grow on trees. Tax payer end up paying for it. And like anything with govt. involvment, you end up paying 10 times the actual cost.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
I don't know man. Look at AT&T revenue. I think there's money to be made on wifi phones, as long as they work exactly like a cellular phone (i.e. no skype like special app needed.). Google offered something like that for SF(whole city free wifi), but I guess people didn't want to give free rein to install antennas anywhere they want and manage the ads forever. But I say it's possible. Google, others (Microsoft?) are looking into that, something that will replace the portable phone as we know it. Again, for voice calls and text messages, you don't need much bandwidth. And I believe the FCC rates for wifi bands are more generous and cheaper.

Will see what happens.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] kiltedthrower:
Here's what I find crazy...

I get messages taht I'll get throttled when I hit around the 2gb area. However, if was on the 3gb plan, I wouldn't get throttled even if I went over the 3gb, I'd just get charged more.

I really think they need to change it to a nationwide top 10%. it's really unfair that someone doesn't get throttled until they hit the 5-10gb area and some of us get throttled at 2gb
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
If I'm not mistaken, some T-Mobile phones offer you voice over wi-fi capability so that you can still make calls when there is no t-Mo coverage (which is a lot of places outside big cities.).

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The percentage number is arbitary set. There is no ways to verify AT&T's claim unless someone files a class action lawsuit against them.

The bottom line is AT&T really hates us the unlimited data users.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
This was confirmed to me by the operator. She told me that it depends on the area, and it can vary month to month in the SAME area, in principle. I ask her to confirm this, and she did.

She also confirmed me that a 3GB user won't be throttled even if he is past 3GB, because then AT&T can charge him to support the needed speed and usage.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] scarfacecjm:
I will consume as much as I want!!!!!!!!

I have the Unlimited Data and I've been throttled... But changed the APN and the Network and Im at 10mb of speed, not the used 30mb here in Puerto Rico but 10 its still good. Im at 31gb this month and getting upper. I will download as much as I want because Im paying for it... PERIOD!!!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rgarjr:
That doesn't seem very fair to throttle you down to the ground early (2GB) because of some high data users in your area.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
But isnt it the opposite? *I* am the top 5%, or so they say. So im the one slowing down the 500MB folks..

I would be lucky if all users around me used 5-10GB or more because then with my usage I would never reach the top 5% and be throttled...heck one guy with 30GB usage will screw.them...how can we verify this?

Crazy logic it seems.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] parcsalooc:
Just use this APN. It's what I use on the Skyrocket. No LTE speeds but unlimited HSPA+. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1342111
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jimmer411:
I regularly use 7-10gb a month with my Atrix and have yet to get a text. I sometimes stream pandora for 8 hours at a time but mostly 30-45mins a day on the way home.

Do you guys that get the text tether at all?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
I don't tether at all. I just watch Netflix on the way home from work.

Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] jwood55812:
That you're clearly not a rational 33 year old, because any MORON knows what a terrible idea it is to bail on debts and leave them to collection agencies. I'm skeptical you own your own house and car with that financial attitude...

But seriously, like it's been said before, you signed the agreement, you play by their rules now. I agree it sucks, and as more people move off Unlimited, the top data percentage is going to get smaller and smaller, just not sure what to do about it at this point.

Edit: already signed here, http://www.change.org/petitions/att-stop-throttling-data-speeds-for-top-5-of-users
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
1) AT&T Said this about 2gb "limit" :http://www.slashgear.com/att-explains-2gb-throttling-of-unlimited-data-plans-09212904/

2) I think I know why I have been droping data at home on Verzions LTE. I have a pair of WIRED not wireless speakers that Seem like they are picking up the LTE and are making a buzz when on. I will be doing more test to see if I can repeat it over and over. If true then I will be forking over some $. ( FCC DO YOUR JOB YOU LAZY, *************************. well you get it.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Speaker interference used to be very common when AT&T phones were on 2G mode. Something unique to GSM. Ever since 3G phones was introduced, I've never heard this interference. I guess LTE modulation is very close to GSM. 3G is WCDMA which is close to CDMA than GSM. If that's the case, AT&T LTE phones will do the same (both Verizon and AT&T are using 700Mhz bands).