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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dimatchka:
Solution

In each thread there should be sub-threads with common problems. That people can refer to and read and find solutions... Not everyone has the time and the desire to read through 100s of posts to find a solution.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Thats why theres a search function so you can type in the word or phrase that you need and it pulls up the threads in that forum that mostly relate to what you want/need.

If you dont want to spend time to do research for yourself, dont expect other people to jump to give it to you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] MotoMudder77:
This is whats gone wrong with XDA, and half the population. Laziness.

Search, Read, Learn, and repeat. Why should someone else do it for you.

Im all for a change in the forums.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nyamoV2:
what is it for new members? post count before you can post in dev forum and other places? instead of spamming to meet requirements, i think a time limit from the date of creation for said user would be more useful. i think 30 days would be ideal (if maybe too much) but at least 2 full weeks before new members can even post. then maybe another 25 post requirement to get them out of Q&A
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] farleytronics:
Interesting comments.

Have you considered adding a "How To" or "Getting Started" forum of sticky posts, editable & postable only by their creator? Most of these posts exists in the other forums...move them to the new "how to" forum. Ask the creators to update the info and remove all the noise posts, and keep them updated. Almost like a wiki/faq but not postable or editable by everyone.

This could help with the low-barrier-of-entry issue ("instant expert!") and address the very valid comment that many of us do not have the time to make a life of learning phone hacking, but are willing to dive in, spend time researching and trying. We just need a high quality starting point. It isn't laziness. Anything to encourage more people to explore and rapidly achieve a high reward-effort point is a good thing for everyone.

And that is what xda is, to me. Extremely high quality content. But it is strangled by noise. This noise takes too much attention from everyone...the newcomer and the expert.

The locked "Getting Started" forum is the first stone on the pathway for everyone...from a phone-owner who only wants to learn the fundamentals and learn more about manipulating their phone. To the a newcomer who becomes inspired to develop deep skills and become a contributing member.

The process is rewarding for anyone. The noise is aggravating for everyone. The "getting started" forum could be a big noise killer. It won't cure all the annoyances mentioned in this thread. There will always be those who want to post, just to post. There are those that will not start at "getting started" That is a different issue. You can lead a horse to water....consider putting the water in one bucket. Don't bother with the horse that won't drink the water in front of him. Translation - put the effort into the "getting started" and ignore the noise after that. Hopefully it will eventually wither to a whisper.

If there is an interest in a proof-of-concept, I would help develop the forum and its material, with the assistance of the "how-to" creators. There are many things to iron out.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nyamoV2:
farleytronics

the problem i see is new members do not read anything. they want to be spoon fed. the idea is great for users like us who like to read and find our own answers and ask for pointers in the right direction. but SOME just want the answer now and do not want to put time into doing things themselves
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] msgfromside3:
Thanks for doing this. I am all for this and I have been being mean lately for people not reading and just asking questions or whining. (see my new signature hahaha.. and thanks, entropy for the link)

I personally spend more time reading, reading and reading and trying out myself. Report if I see something wrong with the context that it is not necessarily a general issue but to let dev know. If it doesn't work for me, I just leave it for a while without whining then come back a few versions later to try out again to see if i like it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skullunit:
AMEN and halleluiah to that. :D I don't do ANYTHING to any of my devices without reading extensively on whatever the subject might be at the time. I also like to use a variety or sources so I can make an informed decision before proceeding to hack or mod anything.

There seems to have been some good ideas mentioned in this thread but in the end it all comes back to the old saying..."ya can't fix stupid". :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
I've always wondered if it would be helpful to have a tiered system in place for the developers section, where registered developers and qualified users/testers would be the only ones to post on that section. It would serious cut a lot of the traffic down on the main thread, and you could have a thread for each ROM in the Q&A section for the casual user to post questions/comments. Then the developer could scan the Q&A thread for his ROM and grab any relevant posts from there and throw them up on the development thread.

I think it would help a lot if the development threads were a LOT shorter and easier to read through; you might have a lot less redundant questions if it was possible to read the entire thread at one sitting. Look at the Unnamed thread, it has almost 4,600 replies as of today. No way you can read that whole thread. Then you toss in one question from a noob, 5 people make comments about "oh boy, this again", a few berate him for not using the search function, someone actually answers the question, a few other people throw their 2 cents in on the whole conversation, and next thing you know you have added 2 or 3 pages to a already huge thread.

A dev thread could look like this.

Dev: New version up.

Tester1: Running smooth.

Tester2: The masses are reporting problems with xxxxxx. Anyone noticing the problem?

Tester3: I can confirm, seeing xxxxxx when I do yyyyyy.

Tester4: Confirmed. Solved by applying fix zzzzzz.

Dev: Updated in OP, informing the masses.

Much easier to read and sort through the problem. Keep the main thread pure, put all of the odd comments in a separate thread.

My favorite space waster?

Dev: New version up.

User1: Downloading!

User2: Downloading now, thanks!

User3: Will download tomorrow.

User4: Flashing now!

User5: What is that clock widget in your picture?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
That's the problem, the "getting started" thread farleytronics describes ALREADY EXISTS. IT'S THE DAMN FAQ.

The problem is - we have a deluge of idiots coming here who can't even be bothered to read the first post of that thread!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
You're a classic example of the lazy user that has to have everything spoonfed to them.

I mean, you can't even be bothered to read the sticky threads in the forum to see that what you describe ALREADY EXISTS. But no one reads the ****ing FAQ posts, they just HAVE to start a new thread because NO ONE could possibly have had the same problem.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] farleytronics:
Obviously I'm new here.

I landed here from Google in December...as did most everyone I assume..."NO ONE could possibly have had the same problem as me..." but i thought it was worth a try....

The journey's been great and I'm game but the cost isn't the technical challenge but the noise. Dues eh? Some of the forums are an extension of chat/twitter/facebook behavior.

So today I decided to search and look around (yep!) to size up this challenge so I spent a lot of time looking at XDA besides the AT&T/SGS2 General and Q&A Forums. I learned a lot. Do you folks know these things actually make phone calls?!??!?!

Seriously, I saw these "wtf newbie" threads are everywhere and have been for years. Including the thread containing the 'An excellent post on "noobs vs. developers"' post.

And I'm not the only clown who has blown into town from the boy scouts with the lastest stale idea of how to deal with 'wtf newbie'

Some final suggestions/questions for handling the guy who forgets how to read and search when he arrives here...

For a newcomer...(first 10 posts?)...you are sent through a short wizard thing, that asks your reason for posting, and topic...then submitted to a search query.

For example...

For a new thread- You enter your question or topic...which is submitted as forum query. You must review the results before you can write and sumbit your post...30 minutes later. Hey...no guarantee the results will be read...

Similary, when replying in a thread, you would be asked the purpose of your post and have to choose from "it worked", "thanks", "I'll try it as soon as my girlfriend goes to sleep" etc...and other noises you are reminded are not necessary...or permitted. For a real question, it goes to the simple search interface.

Or, if that is too extreme...moderators review the first 5(?) posts? Or...the first posts are held for 5 days before submittal to the forum...and only after the submitter responds to an email confirming the post is still worthy of everyone's time.

...interesting challenge.

Great place, astonishing people and accomplishments. For me the noise is tolerable and a small price to pay for the massive benefit. Please let me know if I can help with anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] GalaxyMaster:
All sections of rule #2 are just as important as rule #1.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Kant Phaze Me:
Hmmm changes are good I guess, but will it stop the posting of dumb questions, people need to be using the search bar more often than none lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Divine_Madcat:
It will.

I hate to say it, because i hate being the bad guy, but we WILL begin cracking down on both abusive posters and those who don't obviously search before posting (both well documented XDA rules). It begins with warnings, and goes from there, until people finally see that the rules ARE enforced...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] XXtremeAzzKicker:
i use to get annoyed by the more senior member really bashing on people for a legit questions .The search tool isn't the easiest tool to use to find something that seems like a quick fix and sometime the how to posts on here aren't to most rookie friendly. However over the past few months i have seem some of the dumbest questions about the most obvious things we ALL would like to know. I now find it hard for me not to drop wise crack at them. So some kind of change is welcomed here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
I actually get better results using Google, and searching for Android, i777, and the question - 80% or more point to XDA, and I have better luck tracking down what I need.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Mmxstryker:
As a long time reader, first time poster I'd like to add that while I love this forum for having a good collection of information - I hope that with the redesign comes some more organized stickies. Alot of forums that I use regularly have the pertinent information in the first post of the sticky, not requiring users to dig through 30 pages of ranting to get an answer :)

Best example of that is "are we getting ICS" thread - I think an excellent first post answering that question rather than pages and pages of commentary would cut down on some of the newbie quesitons... and subsequent bashing that comes at the hands of many of the "experts" here.

Thanks! Sorry if I offended anyone...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
Good point.... I think we could all benefit from something like a periodically updated newsletter. All the pertinent information on one page, updated when the powers to be have new information to feed to the masses.

On another note... I'd really like to see something done about the explosion of threads with the Hellraised ROMs. I'm glad I'm not just now trying to figure out what ROM to try out on my phone, I'd be completely lost in the sheer numbers of them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Divine_Madcat:
Red and I have talked.. we are going to be actively working to control the flood of Hellraised roms..

Unless the rom has had additional modifications/enhancements, there is no need for a thread to be made, and they will be closed. Rom discussions should be held in the original i9100 thread, and NOT a new thread here..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I really need to get to making the new sticky threads, but my Wife's Grandfather just past away this last Thursday so I've been busy with her and the arrangements. Ill try and get to them in the next few days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
This is in direct conflict with the instructions for Hellraiser, which explicitly say not to report bugs upstream until you've determined beyond any shadow of a doubt that it isn't I777-specific.

Hellraiser presents unique and unpleasant challenges for testing and bug reporting - if upstream ROM authors start getting bug reports, the first place they'll point the finger is ME.

I'm not sure what the right answer is - sending people immediately "upstream" is not, neither is the current status quo.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Divine_Madcat:
Fair enough. I guess i was thinking too broadly, in that feature discussions and feedback also count for the rom threads. Certainly I do not want to cause other devs extreme discourse from my advice..

As it is though, our forum will be overwhelmed with threads if we allowed one for every HR rom... I think it is a delicate situation we need to handle on a case by case basis..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I think the problems or issues with hellraised roms need to be discussed and try to be figured out here... which is the reason for the new forum. If all attempts fail at trying to resolve an issue or problem, then the last resort should be to go in the i9100 forums and ask (BEFORE SEARCHING THERE OF COURSE!!!)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
How about a Hellraised ROM section and an Original ROM section?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Did you even read this thread?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] raduque:
I didn't read all the posts yet, but how about a simple locking of the thread with a short explanation and link to the Sticky post, when a new user posts a question that's been covered in-depth already?

Or, you know how XDA already throws up some "related" topics when you type in a new thread title? Maybe those should be limited to the current forum (rather than showing posts from EVERY forum) and be required to click-through before the user can post. Make it a pop-over box, like you get when you click an attachment.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mmtrago:
thank god for moderators! these public free internet forums are just becoming a menace to the world! to think regular people can just come in here and ask questions..what a bunch of assholes they are! non-developers need to start reading gooder being more smart!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Jay_eS_Iye:
throw "xda" into the Google search is how I usually do it. I like using the embedded search but one default I don't like is the order it lists all the posts. I usually go Advanced and change it to shows posts in order of last posting, just makes the posts more relevant to me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dubbaa:
I just want to thank all the developers and moderators of this forum. I for one do read and I must say it has helped me find out how to do a bunch of stuff to my i777. I support any forum changes that will make this forum easier to use and navigate. Thank you guys!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SmittyRN:
Uh... yeah, now that I think about it, I do recall it being discussed before. Gimme a break, it was almost 2am and I was all excited about having a rare original thought.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I gave you a break, I didnt warn you for trying to steal a Moderators idea/plan. :D

Im chaining up the Sticky threads now...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] LiLChris06:
Good timing, so many new roms. :)

I am really curious about those that use a different rom as a base since another just popped up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
New sticky is up and all other stickys have been unstuck with links to those threads. If you have any thoughts or comments about the new sticky posts, it can be brought up in here.

Im still waiting for the Administration to create the new Hellraiser forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] deathsycthehe11:
Will there also be a thread to list all the roms/modems/etc.. I found that useful the first time I started but I can't seem to find it anymore, unless I'm just blind.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Waddle:
I like the new stickies. They're much more noob friendly. If people actually look at them now, we might have a decrease in the stupid questions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] axis01:
How much more noob friendly can you get when they start threads that are EXACTLY what the sticky title says. The problem is, they NEVER read stickies. It's not just this board but every board i've ever been on. People want to join up just to ask their question, then move on. They aren't interested in LEARNING how to use/mod their phone. They just want results and they want it handed to them on a silver platter. I honestly don't know the answer to this problem. Two of the boards I frequent most, here and Camaro5 have totally different approaches. Here, the noobs are scolded/belittled when they make stupid threads and on C5, they are facilitated with a load of answers even though there are threads above and below theirs that are nearly identical. The one thing both boards have in common is that neither approach seems to be working. Maybe making it a requirement to join, you have to watch the XDA youtube noob video. That is great and tells them what's expected of them. Not sure how or even if you could institute that, but whatever it is, they have to be MADE to do it and made to complete it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
It's cleaner. I like clean. :)

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Exactly. So I worded to enforce taht lots of reading needs to be done, then searching for their answers, then looking in the right threads and topics before posting a new thread to ask a question... that way, when some n00b registers and decides to start making new threads without searching, then there is no excuse to just start deleting threads.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] EnemyOfGlaDOS:
Was away from the forums for a few days to get some skiing in. I think this will greatly clean up the Forum and pointless/duplicate threads.. Awesome Red, Fehkin sweet! :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
Now I'm thoroughly confused.

In the general forum, you did what you said here, and it was that way for about one day. Then yourself or another moderator stuck two threads, including my return to the store thread, and the remove yellow triangle thread by LilChris, which had never been sticky before.

Personally, I think this is also a little confusing for everyone, and works against the original purpose. I would prefer to see the original arrangement, with only one sticky thread that is closed, containing links to all the other relevant threads. This should be the same in Q&A and in General, and maybe also in Development. I assume you're waiting on the new forum to change Development.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I have no idea what you're talking about. :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] LiLChris06:
I never asked for it to be stickied just in case this gets back to me, though it only lasted 24 hours. :p

Whatever you do with that thread is your choice.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
The xda app needs a report feature. Then again, I'm sure you would get dozens of duplicate reports.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pirateghost:
the tapatalk app has one. is xda premium THAT far behind tapatalk versions?

click on post, more, report
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
XDA premium has it. Same location.

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
LOL, BG...

I have some suggestions for the Sticky Posts in General, Q&A and Development:

The thread [How To] Easily Root your Device was originally posted in early October, but the OP, Jivy26, decided sometime in December to completely change the OP of his thread, and he basically copied the 4 rooting steps from the Guide How to Flash Custom Binaries Without Ever Incrementing the Flash Counter. I don't have a problem with this, except that the download links have never been updated, and do not currently work. Jivy26 has been pretty busy lately, and I believe his wife is about to have a baby, so he may not currently have time to attend to this thread.

The thread [Library] AT&T SGS2 Tools & "How to root" Video contains a lot more information than just a video walkthrough. The video seems to be almost secondary to the other information, even though the OP, tomween1, has included the video in the title. Also, and this is more important, I think the video by zedomax, and the associated website, galaxys2root, has caused a large number of people to come to xda asking how to fix their phone that was borked by using the zedomax authored tools. In my opinion, users should not be guided to the zedomax information and tools. I do think the library thread is very useful, but I would like to see it named and referred to in a different way.

Entropy512 is really the one who made this possible, and his thread should get it's own line or at leas a bit more descriptive title.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Hmm, Ill have to make those adjustments to the video/walkthrough links and descriptions.

I thought about giving Entropy his own line, but this is just a basic guide, not an award ceremony and I dont want to show any favoritism (although he is my favorite kernel dev) and potentially create a negative feeling towards all those who has helped and created great threads.

Ill bring this up with D_M and see what he things about it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
Where is it? I don't see it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Long click on the post to bring up the menu, click more, click report.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
Doesn't show that for me. Long click doesn't do anything either.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
XDA premium was recently updated (it may not have been there before). And you don't quite have to long press, just tap the post.

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
XDA free dosent report posts IIRC
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
I'm not using the Free app and I have the most recent version from the android Market.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Rolex81:
Report option is there
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
Weird, I don't have that. I wonder why.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RockRatt:
I didnt find it at first either. Just click on someones post INSIDE the thread, then when you see the popup hit MORE, then you will have a second popup that looks exactly like the post above you with the pic.

Sent From My KickAss ATT SGS2 SPORTING CM7
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
I posted a screenshot of that very menu a few above that. It's not in mine for some reason.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Legolas2:
Hi

I have a stock (no-root either) Skyrocket on v2.3.6 I noticed over the last week or so my Nav get's stuck w/ "GPS Searching..." message. In Google Maps, it seems to use AGPS as the accuracy circle is quite big.

Can just my GPS get busted? Any pointers on how to debug this further? I have power-cycled the phone, but still the same behavior.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] appdroid:
Clear data in gps app and see if that helps if not than uninstall and install app again.