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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] HarmonyFlame:
This guy here is absolutely correct.

What people need to keep in mind is that at&t has ALWAYS had it in their data policy to throttle you (I worked in at&t beuc for years). So by you leaving abruptly-- being how bad of an idea that is alone -- you are really only helping them. At&t never really actually advertised it as unlimited either UNTIL they introduced the capped plans anyway. And like another person posted, you may be overreacting since you haven't received notification, which means your issue may be unrelated to throttling. In addition, the top 5% users are indeed based on your market, and if your in a big city, the throttling is more severe. I agree its BS though~

That being said; until jan 2012 have I ever been throttled in all my time at at&t. On average I use 15gbs and got my notification at 10gbs (I live in an less than active at&t market). I don't mind to be throttled because I understand the policy and understand I am a heavy user. Even if I was upset about this I would at least have enough sense to know leaving the company would not solve my issues. Based on the original policy introduced with package, at&t actually had the right to charge you after 5gbs, so it goes without saying that throttling is a better solution.

For you guys who are throttled at 2-3 gbs , I feel for you, but terminating your accounts more than likely does nothing but bring about more troubles. And if your so well off op, why not just buy an international note?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxh:
I wish the people who throw around the phrase "abusing the network" would take a step back and see what a tool of the carriers that makes them look like. Carriers invented the term for the sole purpose of disguising their greedy, money grab tactics.

A person abusing the network would be someone maliciously damaging or negatively impacting it, such as someone writing a script to constantly download random data just to purposely tie up bandwidth. 99.9% of the people you disparagers are calling abusers are not! They're just users who happen to be heavy users.

The internet has evolved, and with it, many wonderful sites and services. They're there to be used and enjoyed, and mobile networks were created to make them more accessible! There's nothing wrong with using the network as intended. In any population there will be a distribution of usage levels from very heavy to very light, with most averaging in the middle. The very light balance the very heavy. What we're seeing here with the people on grandfathered unlimited plans is the natural usage level, which carriers are trying to restrict and shape into more profit. But if there's no malignant intent, there's no abuse.

The wireless carriers are raking in record profits; they have plenty of cash to build out to suit demand. They simply find it more profitable and easier to abuse their monopolistic power in this thoroughly screwed wireless market by jacking up prices and using anti-competitive measures like long contracts and device exclusivities and non-interoperability to keep customers, rather than improving service. Of course every company pursues profits above all, rightfully so, but in this broken system, the carriers are the abusers, of their customer base!

So please, stop echoing the carriers' misused term of network abuser!

(Btw, I average ~300MB per month, so I'm a pretty light user, but I still stand up for others rights.)

You got that wrong. the "p", which stands for per, is always lower case. It's the "B" which is either upper or lower case depending on bits or bytes.

b = bit

B = byte

There are 8 bits per byte.

Megabit per second = Mbit/s, Mb/s, or Mbps

Megabyte per second = MB/s or MBps

Giga... = same as Mega but G in place of M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_rate_units
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
I just put my s2 in 2g/gsm and bam it made my Speakers buzz, but I had to put it on top of it to hear anything. This thing with LTE has a 5 or so foot deal+ likely more, but I can't hear it. Well this sucks, now I will need to buy new ones. ( I liked this set too)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Typically you will hear it when either a phone call is coming or phone is receiving text. I used to use it to predict when there is a phone call going to come as the phone boost RF power to interact with the towers.

The interference will affect all types of speakers, car speaker, desk phone speaker, computer speaker, TV speaker etc. Buy a new speaker won't solve anything.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxh:
Better speakers with better shielding will have less interference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Better shielding: maybe.

Better speaker does not necessary mean better shielding though as speakers working in very low frequency range, shielding is not the top concern in speaker design.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
The interference on AT&T 2g/gsm is not nearly as bad LTE. I had to put the phone like right on it to get any real interference. Well I guess I know now why I have been droping data on LTE.

P.S Is the FCC useless or what for leting them use this band and KNOWING GSM has/had done this.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Did you try to make a call to your phone while a few feet away? I'd bet your phone will buzz the speaker as loud as the LTE does. I don't think it has anything to do with your data dropping though. The reason your LTE phone/modem buzz louder is due to the fact that you have a weaker LTE signal at home. In turn, your phone/modem has to boost RF power in order to maintain communication with the tower. The RF emission from your phone/modem is what makes your speaker buzz.

I was wondering the same thing 10 years ago when I got my first AT&T phone. I guess either Nokia bought out the FCC back then (Nokia helped AT&T and T-Mo to setup GSM networks in US) or FCC don't consider speaker buzz an interference.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
Well I would call it an "interference" if it's droping the Data link. I have never droped a call at home even when 4 feet way.( I did drop one in a store when I had tv's all around me.)

I still think, but will to some more test that LTE is hiting the nail on the head and gsm the arm or leg.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
Verizon LTE phones still use CDMA for voice calls, not LTE. That's two different radio and two different signal strengthes. And we all know verizon CDMA coverage is very good, not so much with LTE. It is so bad that they have to issue a fix tp change the how ICS reporting signal strength on GNexus. ICS reports LTE signal strength instead of CDMA strength as other verizon phones have always been doing. It got so many bad reports from confused users that Verizon decided to change it to report CDMA signal strength instead to hide the fact that its LTE network coverage is not as good as CDMA.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Does this really work? What kind of speeds are we talking?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
'Phone' APN is for devices with HSPA+. No, you will still get throttled. Anyone tell you otherwise is lying. You don't need go far. Simply browse i777 forum (AT&T SGS2) will review many threads about being throttled.

As for speed, it largely depends on where you are and how many ppl are using the same tower as you. On my current SGS2 (i777) using Phone APN, I got mostly < 1mbps. and a lot of times even 100kbps of speed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
No.

We can measure your usage even with HSPA+ and even edge. It wouldn't matter.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Ok, how can I ignore this at&t employee? ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Yeah I hate getting reliable information too
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
This is not the reliable information I am looking for....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Yeah, he is kind of being smug and bragging.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
*backing up while saying to the other parent, "ahh let them fight, sometimes its better to let the kids knock each other around a bit"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
So you get the same vibe? Or are you just patronizing me :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
I'm just telling you how it is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Same vibe. :-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] parcsalooc:
Well being as for the last 2 months using this APN switch after being throttled after 2gb of usage and the switching APNs. I can say that after switching I have used 9gb and last month 12gb of data w/ speeds in my area of 6-10mbps. Speeds go from 100kbs throttled to full HSPA+ speeds. Just switch your mode to WCDMA in your *#*#4636#*#* settings along w/ the APN listed in the previous link.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
He was trying to let you know what the situation is, and maybe save you some time/effort and you're calling him "smug".
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] carhigh:
Att explains throttling

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2012/02/att-explains-throttling-unlimited-data-users-at-2gb.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Pretty cool it works for you :)

But are you not reading that it works for some? So the at&t employee says it dont and tells us how it is. Is he going to report the previous user's success at getting around throttling too?

And I think we are all aware of what the situation is with at&t. They are trying to @ss pound their grandfathered customers and then some...

As the comment in the article says that at&t stands for "Always Throttling & Taxing" :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
Yep. I read that. It still works for some, I'm aware.

His statement that they can still measure it is correct.

He's been generally helpful on this forum, which is why I have a problem with people saying he's "smug". It's really just misplaced bitterness. Taking it out on the guy who works for AT&T.

And obviously my use of the word "situation" wasn't applying to the overall picture of data throttling. I was talking about that specific situation being discussed with the APN trick. You, again, chose to make it about your personal vendetta against AT&T.

The guy was just trying to help, regardless of whether you guys liked his answer or not.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Well yes, "smug" is a bit harsh lol...barely. I have nothing against him.

He said measure and it wouldnt matter, implying that they will still throttle you. While the user states he got around throttling. If they can still measure oh well.

Not just my personal vendetta. Let me guess, you are not a grandfathered unlimited data user?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
Fair enough.

And I am a grandfathered unlimited data user. I tend to side with businesses on a lot of these types of issues over my own personal benefit.

To be fair, however, I've never been throttled. So that could contribute to my stance somewhat.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] boxerlover02:
So you tend to side with all the corporate greed in this world huh? Its fun reading some of these posts from people that side with big corporate America sticking it to the consumer day after day. Makes me sick to see how many sheeple are in this world.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Bataga:
Stop bogging down the network :mad:!! I'm very happy AT&T is throttling the data speeds because I actually use my phone to call multiple people each day for work. Have you heard of this thing called wifi? It's pretty neat and faster then the network :rolleyes:

I'm sure you've heard of this place called McDonalds. They have FREE wifi so if your complaint is about using the internet away from your trailer, go visit this place :D

---------- Post added at 02:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:43 PM ----------

Don't use your phone.....it's made by a corporation and you wouldn't want to support that you silly Liberal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
What does calling have to do with data? So dont use an unlimited service you pay for and instead go to mcdonalds/starbucks and use their wifi for free?

Just in case you didnt notice, we are the customers and with any business Im sure you've heard of that old saying "The customer is always right". ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] boxerlover02:
Liberal??? No buddy I'm a constitutionalist. Talk your crap behind your keyboard like a lot of the internet tough guys on here want to bash people and claim people live in a trailer... you must believe everything the sewerstream media tells you. There is way to much corporate greed because you can buy a politician for less then 50 grand. Keep on being a sheep and fallow your orders and bow down and lick the boots of your masters.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Huge factor in the way America's economy is the way it is right now. But in now way am I going to change topics...well sort of :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
You call it greed? Fine.

I call it business. They're all out to make money. It's a pretty simple concept. If you don't like it, you don't HAVE to use their products.

It's insulting to imply that someone you don't know is "sheeple". I try to have a big picture view, not just what benefits me personally.

If anything, your view can be seen as sheeple, since it's shared by the masses. But I won't be the one to say it. You can have your opinion, and I can have mine. I don't see why you came out of your cave to even do this.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] boxerlover02:
1st trailer and now caves.... so the fact that there has been ZERO regulation on 99% of the corporate giants and they make billions and trillions of dollars pay next to nothing in taxes while the small entrepreneurs and small business man pays more then 50% on average to the man is ok with you...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
Incorrect and exaggerated.

Second post in a row you've put words in my mouth. I'm no longer going to have a discussion with you. Coming out of nowhere to pick at one thing I said on a post, and bring up something that is BARELY even related to what we're talking about is one thing, but if you can't actually respond to what I'm saying without putting it through your "sheeple" filter, and then spewing it back out as though i'm the one saying it, then I'm just not going entertain that. At all.

I hope we can all discuss the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
1) I know the truth, but I will not tell.( There is no point)

2) On topic: Should I make a thread about the speakers interfearing with 700mhz LTE and poll asking if any one else has seen the same out come and about how bad it is?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Bataga:
This! And feel free to come visit this internet tough guy any time you please boxerlover!

And regarding the data usage effecting call quality...IT BOGS DOWN THE NETWORK CAUSING DROPPED CALLS AND POOR SERVICE. You still have the "unlimited" usage where you are not charged for using additional data. If it's not fast enough for you, try WIFI.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxh:
That's fine for most businesses, but not wireless carriers. If BMW wants to require you sign a 2 year contract to buy only their gasoline at $12 a gallon in order to purchase one of their cars, no problem! Anybody can start up a car company, and there are many car companies out there, so competition keeps things reasonable.

Wireless spectrum is a limited resource that belongs to the people and is leased to wireless carriers. There is a huge barrier to startup and strict limitations due to the limited spectrum. Unchecked corporate greed is NOT ok here; regulation is needed, and currently our wireless market is in the ****ter, with competition almost non-existant beyond cursory motions for appearance.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Keep enjoying the corporate @ss pounding and dropped calls regardless ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Yes, it is leased and in March of 2008 Verizon paid almost 10 billion and AT&T 7 billion for 700 MHz spectrum for LTE. They also built out those networks and are deploying them (Verizon slightly faster) now. In fact, you have access to those LTE networks in Austin so if you want to play, you have to pay.

Enough about the greed already. AT&T employs over 255,000 people and Verizon 217,000 people. Pay, benefits etc for them... it is expensive to run a company that large. I have AT&T wireless and Verizon FiOS home service. I am free to quit them at any time. I like the service they provide and I pay them for it. Simple enough. Having a cheap cell phone plan with unlimited data as fast as you want is not a right no matter who thinks it is. If you do not like how much it cost you, earn more money.

Lastly, our government has our country $15,300,000,000,000 in debt. How any rational thinking person could think the government could do anything except make everything they touch worse, is beyond me...(I mean Democrat, Republican all...All of them need to be voted out (Another post)

Peace everyone!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
I don't see how this analogy works. You know you don't have to sign a 2-year contract to get wireless service. You pay the full price on your phone and no contract is required. You know, like ppl in rest of the world do today. These smartphones doesn't cost $199 or $299. They cost much more.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Longcat14:
Actually, Verizon doesn't throttle LTE, they encourage heavy LTE usage to stress the network.

And they have much better service, 3G speeds are constant anywhere you are, and with AT&T, it can go from 4-7 to 1-2 by just moving an inch.

Sent from my Rocket that is in the Sky!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] giantenemybird:
I doubt the first part (in regards to actually ENCOURAGING more stress on the network)...that would make things crappier for everyone else. Other than a marketing ploy, I'd like to see something from them that says that. I honestly would.

I don't agree with them having better service. Anywhere I've lived ATT has been king and has had way faster internet speeds. I've never lived northeast though, and I know Verizon wins there by far.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] 4ktvs:
+1

I am on Verizon and THEY DO slow down LTE if you use a lot. ( I have goten speeds of less than 2mbs on 4 bars.) They say they can take it, but if thats true then why can unlimited? They are BSing you like apple does.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
I call it BS. See here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/03/verizon-can-now-throttle-top-five-percent-of-bandwidth-hogs-down/

CDMA technology makes Verizon easier to have more consistent coverage than AT&T with the same amount of towers. However, many reputable sources consistently benchmarked AT&T has the fastest 3G speed, not Verizon.

Yes, AT&T has a congested network so speed varies a lot from location to location. Verizon has more consistent speed but it is consistently slower than AT&T on average.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] boxerlover02:
You might want to check some facts the all received bailout money to build those networks you claim they paid billions for. FACT
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rcf2:
prepaid

Why I wasn't able to use my PayGO Sim card with paid data to conect internet on my international Note (bought in HKG)?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
Go Phone service is intended for Go Phones. Try wiping your EFS folder. (make sure you back it up!) and it might work after that.

Keep in mind that Go Phone data speeds are capped at 1mb/s or something slow like that
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samoevn:
Why we have to use different APN's, just because of this companies do whatever they want.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] slaydog:
Talked with an AT&T Rep, he confirmed that plenty of 3g people are getting throttled, just Google it. Its just easier on LTE for obvious reasons.

He actually recommended I stick with unlimited data, just try not to use too much more. Thing is I always seem to use less than 2 gigs/month and I can get a tiered 3 gig plan for the same price. I'm just gonna use data like I want and see what happens...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
You gotta love internet tough guys though. This is what bataga pm's me because he cant reply to my post

"Private Message: Ass pounding?

That's what I gave your mom you ****ing *****"

Just wanted to expose what type of person he is, although I think we got the point from his posts.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] techntrek:
I had the $60 unlimited (but capped at 5 GB as of last summer) for the last 4 1/2 years until I ordered my Note yesterday. Even when I approached 5 GB I was never throttled. My wife, still on her $30 unlimited plan has been throttled several times over the last few months. Once at around 2 GB, once at 5.5 GB, not sure about the other times.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jon225:
Just wondering what phone she has?

It has not happened to me yet on my Atrix using average 4 gigs a month 5 a few times no tethering.

Hope changing to the Note doesn't screw with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] techntrek:
Unlocked HTC Magic, set up for the Rogers system. She tethers using EasyTether.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
Does throttling happen when u can open the apps u normally open. Like xda and Netflix? I can load some webpages but my most used apps won't connect.

Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] techntrek:
Do a speed test. My wife can open any web site, still get calendar updates, etc. but her speed gets cut to around 3 times dialup speed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
Att started throttling my speed to 400-500 down, despite it only being the 8th day of billing cycle and I had only used 1.5GB. I called them and.they said they have no way of taking it off. Miraculously.after the call it went back to normal speeds.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] foxbat121:
400 to 500 kbps on HSPA+ is not throttling. That's the normal congestion of the AT&T network. From what I saw reported, if you are throttled, your speed is below 100kbps.

Ironically, in my area, my HSPA+ speed often drop to as low as 100kbps or even slower without the throttling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] EvoXOhio:
You are incorrect. I did a side by side test with my wife's phone and she was getting 7000 down. I was definitely being throttled. It was going on for 3 days and then stopped as soon as I got off the phone with them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Willthrill:
Yea what are you talking about on my iPhone 4s I get 4-6k down
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] slaydog:
I think they send you a warning text before or when they throttle you. If only to let you know why your speed sucks so you will use less data next time...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
They are pissing off alot of people and getting bad publicity left and right and they so deserve it :)

Shep Smith from Fox News on AT&T Throttling top 5% of unlimited data users:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5kBC8Alp8
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
There is ways around this, anytime you change your Data plan it starts over, even if you change your phone to a iPhone with the unlimited iPhone data plan then back to your original phone with unlimited then wala you are unthrottled.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
I'll test this in my store when I get the chance.

Sounds like this could work though!