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[Epic 4G Android Development] Devtodi:
Just happy you are alive and kicking. Your rom kicks butt seriously, stable enough for wives, partners and other non geek-tweak types. Hope all is well in your world. Come back soon.
[Epic 4G Android Development] willow_ve:
great to see you on the boards again. thanks for all of your hard work. this ROM is the main reason i haven't sold a kidney and jumped from my contract.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
This ROM sets the bar that all other TW ROMs strive for! Thanks Toad.
[Epic 4G Android Development] TexasLTE:
Good 2 Hear From U and Nice 2 Know Things R Going Well 4 U

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[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
Are there any practical benefits to going th MTD route over BML? Sounds like MTD will future-proof my phone at the expense of making it more difficult to go back. But I'm not clear if CleanGB MTD > CleanGB BML.

I went the BML route but I'm considering switching over. Since I'm generally happy with the state of affairs, is switching over worth it? And if so, is there any way to switch without having to start from scratch? In other words, is there any way to convert from CleanGB BML to MTD? Or is there a wazy to restore my BML apps/settings/data to MTD after I switch?

On top of this being a great ROM I gotta give props to all the active people providing support in this thread. You guys are very helpful and don't have any of the arrogant snarkiness one often finds on geek-centric sites.
[Epic 4G Android Development] george1614:
I went from MTD to BLM and staying there for now. Going back to BLM you have to odin with a few other things checked off and ofcourse something went wrong and had a hard brick. Lucky for me sprint could not figure out the problem and flashed it brand new to BML. I am curious to see the answer to your question because i have not been able to figujre out either
[Epic 4G Android Development] Cluefree:
If you look back in post 3 of this thread, toadlife has some instructions on how to extract from a BML nandroid into MTD. I haven't tried it personally...been holding off going to MTD just to keep my options open, but it seems like more and more ROMs are coming out MTD now...
[Epic 4G Android Development] BillyBob3:
Operationally, no difference between mtd and bml. Mtd will be slightly quicker in the benchmark tests, but u won't 'see' this. I jumped to mtd with no problem after a factory reset. I used titanium backup to selectively restore the critical apps + data. Won't do a full restore of everything cause I believe that some system files will replace running and cause problems.

One way or another, you are gonna have to intervene putting the rom on the phone. Its not gonna do it on its own...so to me...don't matter bml or mtd. Still need odin if I ever need to go stock, but I would be in the same position if I was bml/cleangb. Know what I mean?

Epic powered by CleanGB/MTD 1.1.2
[Epic 4G Android Development] Cluefree:
Good call about being too Odin back to stock in either case... Did you have any issues extracting files from your titanium backups going from BML to MTD?
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Titanium backup does not know the difference. Your ROM and data are exactly the same, just installed on different partition and file system. Then a compatible kernel is added.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Cluefree:
Thanks, Kenny... If I didn't know better I'd say you were trying to convince people to go to MTD do they could try cool new ROMs... Like the people's ROM...;)

Just kidding...thanks for the info...makes me feel kinda silly for waiting so long to try MTD. It always seemed like it made my life a little harder (for nandroid backups and for updating modems, for instance)...but it looks like enough people have pioneered it for me!:)
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
I was the same way with EXT4...lol. And yes MTD roms like this and The People's ROM (plug plug) are the future.
[Epic 4G Android Development] blautens:
@uscpsycho

I've been using CM9 since Alpha 1, but switched to CleanGB about 3 days ago. For me the deal killer was the wired mic gain - it is too low to be useful, and that's how I work...(fix is to be in beta 2, can't wait any longer, though).

Anyway, CM9 is really stable and fairly fast and smooth given the stage it's in. But as much as I like certain things in ICS, I don't love some of the graphics...email is harder to read, calendar is much harder to read, etc.

It's worth trying, and were it not for the mic gain issue, I would probably still be on it. But CleanGB is faster, a touch more stable, easier on these 43 year old eyes, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on ICS.
[Epic 4G Android Development] zetterwing:
After flashing this I'm getting a fc on the market/play store. It ran fine initially and updated itself to 3.4.7 then fc. I went to clear data and the box is greyed out. Tried clearing data and dalvik and fixing permissions and it still doesn't work. Next up reflash? Or is there a better way to fix this? So far everything else runs great.

Edit: Fixed by going through Titanium Backup and clearing data.
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
Thanks guys.

After reading the last few posts I'm definitely sticking with BML for now. I don't think I'm ready to test the CM9 waters quite yet, this is the first time in months my phone has worked reliably and I want to enjoy it for a while. Never heard of the People's ROM until now, maybe I should look into that if it's as stable as CleanGB.

All that being said, I'm still not thrilled with GPS performance even after the GPS fix. My navigation often locks up. Sometimes when it recovers North is fixed "up" and I have to change it so the navigation pointer is fixed "up." Sometimes, out of the blue, I get a pop up asking me to confirm that I want to exit navigation when I haven't even touched the phone.

This is very frustrating to me because I use GPS *A LOT* to help me navitate around traffic. Is there a possibility that these issues are being caused by a faulty GPS chip? I wonder because I had horrific GPS issues with stock EL30. I don't see anyone running CleanGB reporting all these GPS issues and I've only installed a handful of apps.

Someone advised clearing map data but that didn't help. Any other suggestions?
[Epic 4G Android Development] Cluefree:
Just curious...what nav app are you using? I'd be more likely to blame your app than your GPS hardware at this point. I'm not actually on clean GB right now....does it include the infamous "GPS fix" patch to allow locking more satellites? If not, you should apply it if you have issues with loss of lock. You can just flash it in cwm...so easy, even a cajun like me can do it...:cool:

Edit: GPS fix patch is in the OP...I'd pt a link to it but I'm xda-challenged..
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Ha, was going to suggest that. Glad you got it working.
[Epic 4G Android Development] XXCoder:
Glad to know you're still around toadlife. :)
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
I'm using the stock Map/Navigation apps. Haven't even installed any alternatives to avoid potential conflicts. And yes, I installed the GPS fix after navigation locked up in the first few minutes of use after installing CleanGB.

This is a bit off topic, but is Juice Defender (or similar) worthwhile with CleanGB since this ROM is already designed to extend battery life? I don't want to waste valuable memory if there's no advantage.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Djinn23:
I will edit this later if not already responded to

sent from a phone using an app
[Epic 4G Android Development] Trident:
I need a little ADW help. Is there a way to get multiple, scrolling dock-bars? It's one of the little things that I use GoLauncherEX for, but I'd just as soon use ADW if that feature was available.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Isn't there the option to enable 2nd dock with swipe up gesture? I don't know if 2nd dock scrolls though.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Trident:
I found the option to hide/show the dock-bar and/or status bar, but didn't see anything about a 2nd (much less a 3rd) dock-bar.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
My GF's phone had that option on v1.22. I will have to check her phone as to where that option is.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
She said it is ADW Settings> UI Settings>Hidden Dock adds the second dock that you can set gesture swipe up to open and close.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Trident:
Hmmmm. Doesn't work for me. I see the option for "Hidden Dockbar", but it doesn't seem to make a difference if I select it or not. And the swipe gestures only give me to hide or show the dockbar- nothing about the hidden one. When I enable either up/down gesture, I've only been able to make the default dock disappear or appear.

No big deal. Thanks for checking it out.
[Epic 4G Android Development] vizionforever:
Originally Posted by anavias View Post

I am noticing that sometimes my speakerphone mic will just stop working. This is most noticeable when I try to use Google Voice Search. Rebooting fixes the problem for a while, before it eventually comes back. I see this on two different phones with the latest CleanGB.

Anyone else seeing this, or have any thoughts on what is causing it?

I have the same problem alot... and have to restart because I use speech to text alot; weird it did not happen in the previous version wonder what changed? Also sometimes my bottom row of buttons will disappear... Think It might be cause our phones might be GENERATION 1...I think u can tell if it's gen 1 if when your GPS is on and the battery sucks it down then u got a gen 1....Great rom in every other way!! Wish I had my sons or gf's gen 3 phone(of course this Gen thing is my opinion and could be completely wrong)
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
Same here. I see there's an option for hidden dockbar but no way to display it.

I had this problem right out of the box with Froyo. I gave up on speech to text because it happened so often, especially when trying to use the voice command.

I'm not clear what you meant about trying to figure out if you have a first generation phone. I just got a refurb replacement from Sprint, how can I tell which generation it is? This is the first I've heard of hardware differences.
[Epic 4G Android Development] anavias:
My phone is probably gen1 but my wife's phone was bought nearly a year later and I see the same problem.

Intermittent bugs... Blah.
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
I finally figured it out, but it couldn't be less intuitive. And it doesn't work well...

If you have the hidden dockbar enabled you make it visible by swiping up on the main dockbar from one of your home screens. This will make it seem as if your dockbar disappeared but it's displaying the hidden (and still empty) dockbar. You can now move stuff onto this hidden dockbar. To return to the original dockbar you swipe down on the hidden dockbar and the original one reappears.

Here is the biggest problem I'm having. If I swipe up on the main dockbar, sometimes the icons on the main dockbar get moved to the hidden dockbar. Then I have to take them off the hidden dockbar and put them back on the main dockbar. This is a pain in the ass.

Wondering if there is a way to lock the dockbar so you can't inadvertently transfer icons from the main dockbar to the hidden one?
[Epic 4G Android Development] willow_ve:
with all of the problems people seem to have with ADW it's a wonder to me why it's still used so much.

if people really have that much of a problem there are plenty of other launchers on the market.
[Epic 4G Android Development] hangnail:
i turned off 'hidden dock bar' and set swipe up and down to 'none.' cant remember if i changed any other settings. it took me a while to figure this out, but its been months since i flashed.

btw many thanks to toad for this awesome rom. its been nearly flawless
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
That is what I said, must have been unclear. I said enable hiiden dock and swipe up to get to it. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
Just flashed this and it's awesome! I feel like I have a new phone all over again! Thank you so much!!!

I'm only having one slight issue. I get lag going from portrait to landscape. I tried the terminal emulator fix: http://bit.ly/I8F3Mk

What I get after the last step is "/system/bin/sensorcalibutil_yamaha not found"

Is there a fix for the lag?

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Ok, looks like I've got a GPS issue too. I flashed the ROM, the kernel & the el30 gps fix from the OP.

I have no idea if I'm on the el30 modem though.

At any rate, I use the GPS a lot for navigation on my motorcycle so if anyone can help I would appreciate it greatly!
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
You need to mount system before flashing the gps_fix if on mtd. That sensor_cal is real old and no longer applies. Just calibt=rate in settings>display.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
I was going to do that but in the past it took the sensor_cal to fix it too...so foolishly I didn't bother before posting. All better now.

As for the GPS, I'm sorry but what does "mount system" mean and how do I do that? I am on MTD as I was told these ROMs are much more stable, and what Droid is going to anyway.

I'm a big fan of technology but when it comes to doing things like this I tend to need more help than most. I'm actually shocked at how easily I was able to flash the ROM & kernel...I figured I'd run into all kinds of problems lol!

Also, I'm assuming this is a Gingerbread ROM?
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
Ok, right after that last post I left and when I was on the road I thought, "Duh...CleanGB...of *course* it's a Gingerbread ROM!" lol.

Sorry for that mental lapse.

The GPS has started working all on its own. I don't know what happened but I'm not complaining.

Btw, I noticed Voodoo sound won't work with this kernel. Is there any way to rectify that with what the developer has posted here? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=806195

Thanks!
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Older scripts and those not written for MTD like some themes need you to go to mounts and storage in CWM, click it, mount system, then flash the gps script or theme.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
Thanks for the info! It will be useful for future reference. The GPS has started working so I'm not gonna mess with it!

Any ideas on the Voodoo sound issue?

I see you're in Daytona. I was just up there for Bike Week. Nice town.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Just flash shadowkernel 3.0 or Samurai with voodoo sound. Looks like you have to get the paid app (plus) version to work in this kernel...at least that's what it sounded like in that thread.

And yes Daytona's habitable...lol. I saw Molly Hatchett in Holly Hill Bike Week. Where did you go?
[Epic 4G Android Development] TexasLTE:
Molly Hatchett ?!?!?!? They used to be GREAT !!!! Sure do miss Danny Joe Brown though .... :(
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
I don't know what the hell is going on but I am fatally cursed when it comes to GPS!

I've had my GPS lock up and lock my phone up (requiring a battery pull) about a million times now. Trying to eliminate this problem is why I went the custom ROM route to begin with. I'm at my wits end, have no idea what else I can try to make my GPS stable. I can't imagine a ROM with more features like CM9 is going to be more stable for GPS than a bare bones ROM like CleanGB.

Yes I have the GPS fix.
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
Does this scenario only exist if you are already on MTD?

I'm still BML and when I click on Mounts & Storage I don't have an option to mount system. But I see an option that reads "unmount /system" if I was running MTD would this say "mount /system" instead?

Running CWM 5.0.2.7.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Yes. This is included in the MTD version of CWM 5.0.2.7.

As for your GPS issues you are not going to like the fix. I have found that when this happens, it is best to backup everything with Titanium Backup, then Odin to full stock, get a GPS lock there. Leave GPS on, root, then flash the custom ROM of choice. Then also flash the gps_fix if it is not included in the ROM. I will have a BML version as well as MTD of The People's ROM v2.0 soon with the gps_fix baked in.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Cluefree:
Now you're just teasing us with that peoples v2 talk...:)

And how much trial and error does one have to go through to come up with"Odin back to stock, turn on GPS, get a fix...". I'd say get a life...except that I'm really really thankful that you guys are all so freaking knowledgeable about this phone...:D
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
For anyone who is trying this, I believe these file changes cause the MD5 matching to fail when restoring. I tried several times and always got a MD5 mismatch error. This has never happened before.

To get around this I put a blank nandroid.MD5 file in the backup folder and the restore worked fine.

I finally switched to MTD and I have a new replacement phone (a refurb) from Sprint. I'm hoping this will be the magical combination of things that will get my friggin GPS working again!
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
TBH, it takes a day or two of driving yourself crazy trying to find out what went wrong. It helps to have a second Epic in the household. I have lost GPS once and 4G capabilities once. It seems the best way to eliminate hardware issues is to Odin to stock and test it. If everything works then you know it is corruption in the software somewhere. It is much quicker to reload everything rather than troubleshoot that jewel.

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I believe you also have to do cache, plus you must do this only on an un-renamed backup made with CWM 5.0.2.7 entering with the 3 finger salute. No ROM Manager. I converted Legendary 2.1 this way and have never looked back from MTD.
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
MTD version of CWM 5.0.2.7? Where is that?

I started completely stock & rooted EL30 with BML version of CWM. Then I flashed the CleanGB MTD zip. I assume I'm now MTD, is there a way to verify this? However, the same BML version of CWM that I started with is working. Does that mean I'm not on MTD or does that mean somehow my CWM was updated to MTD version?
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
It just looks the same. If you can back up and restore you are good. The MTD ROMs have the cwm5 mtd version cooked in. As long as you don't try to change it or use the cwm in ROM Manager you are good.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
So flashing one of those kernels won't mess with this ROM? Sorry for asking but I want to be absolutely sure. This is a big deal to me because I listen to my earbuds while I ride. If the Voodoo sound isn't working I'm screwed because the headphones aren't loud enough.

I was up there both Saturdays. Day rides. The first one was rainy all day long & the whole way back. Ruined my airhorn on my bike :mad:

The second Saturday was great weather. I was all over...the track, destination Daytona, Main St, Beach St...even rode the Ormond Scenic Loop.

I just moved to FL last July so this was my first trip to Bike Week. Going to Leesburg Bike Fest at the end of April. Riding up on Friday and coming back on Sunday.

Do you ride?

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@kenny - So I just decided to go for it. Downloaded & flashed the Shadow Kernel. Voodoo working like a charm!

Thank you so much!!!
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Not yet, a motorcycle is on my acquire list after both other vehicles are paid off...I figure a nice Sportster.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
You married to the idea of a Harley?

You get a lot more bike for a lot less money if you stay away from HD. You're going to spend thousands on accessories so you may as well not blow a load on a bike!

I ride a 2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic. Fuel injected. Bought it used with 7k miles on it. Paid $2k and traded my other bike, which was worth about $1500. I've put about $2k in accessories into it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] rckozma:
Not all Harleys are bad, this is what I ride....

*edit* kenny, if you are going to get a sportster, do yourself a favor, only look at the 1200s and stay away from the 883s
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
I never said they were bad. Just overpriced.

Harley is to motorcycles what Apple is to smart phones.

You pay more for the image. It's all about the marketing. Both Apple and Harley are genius at it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
don't want to hijack this thread with bike talk but figure 90% of bikes in Daytona are Harleys so figured as a first bike a small Sportster would be easy to maintain with an abundance of HD mechanics and parts...but not married to that choice. Actually liked some of the light weight Hondas as well.
[Epic 4G Android Development] mrcollpepper:
I have an hd now. Honda first, while you can waste tons of money on aftermarkets for both just make sure you ride everything that catches your eye first. And out of my 5 bikes I have owned, I now willl only buy hd. Just my opinion. Pm me if you want my reasons or more details

Back on topic.....lol

Thank you devs. For your most gracious efforts to provide for us. :D
[Epic 4G Android Development] uscpsycho:
Is the problem here tied to hardware or software? I just got a replacement phone that I rooted, flashed CleanGB, applied the GPS fix and restored some app data (no system data). But I already had the GPS lock up again a couple of times. Could my luck possibly be this rotten?
[Epic 4G Android Development] KennyG123:
Let me guess...Google Navigator right? Try clearing data in Maps (you may need Titanium Back for this). If that don't work try Telenav...always works well for me.
[Epic 4G Android Development] orlzzt:
I had issues all last week in McAllen with Google Nav. Definately try Telenav, that worked for me too.
[Epic 4G Android Development] droid newb:
Ok, last OT post on the motorcycle discussion.

The Metric bikes are built every bit as well as HD. In some cases they're even better & more innovative than HD. They come out with things that HD then has to copy because they realize it's something people want.

Metric bikes also don't require as much regularly scheduled maintenance. One of my riding buddies has an Ultra Classic. He's taking that thing in every two weeks or so for scheduled maintenance. That's crazy!

I don't have a problem with the bikes. I'm originally from WI...home of HD. I have a problem with them charging so much more for them due to image. If I have my choice of two nearly identical bikes I don't care if one says Kawasaki & one says Harley. If they're almost the same but one is several thousand more based on name and image alone I can tell you I won't be picking that bike.

Again, HD = Apple. Good product but marketed totally on image. Metric bikes are like Android. They are more functional, just as well built & cost a heckuva lot less.

I've been riding street bikes since 1987, so take that for what it's worth. I just hate to see people throw more money at something than they need to.
[Epic 4G Android Development] anavias:
If you are open to alternatives, I would also consider Waze. Really awesome in places with unpredictable traffic.
[Epic 4G Android Development] OMGLOLetcetc:
Kinda like a ROM for full grown adults.

Been using it for the past week. Solid as a rock. Thanks!