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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jamesyboy:
The bottom line IS that you're throttling people before they even get their $30 worth on the tiered plan.

If I pay $30 I can get 3GB...no problem.

But if I'm on an unlimited plan, and I use 1.9 Gigs, and the people in my "region" (whatever the fluke that means....a region could be a two mile, or even a two block radius) are a bunch of old farts who don't use data at all, I'm virtually guaranteed to be in the top 5% no matter what. This boils down to one thing...there will always be a top five percent. Even if the top five percent use only their moneys worth (which would be three gigs minimum, since that's the allotted tier for the price you pay), they'll be throttled. Even if it is....a measily gigabyte.

If you, a customer signs a contract on the premise of having "unlimited" data, (which for a while,, having an unlimited plan with an iPhone or I pad was the absolute only reason to go with AT&T) and then they're told they're using too much, or that they're unable to provide the advertised service, this is false advertisement!!

Don't complain about you're users! Its idiotic! Stop selling the unlimited plan, only offer tiered plans at the point of service changes or extentions, (all of which you have done...except....) but most importantly, if you can't handle one user using a cruddy five gigs, you need to upgrade your infrastructure!!! Jesus Christ, don't tell people they can sit at an all-you-can-eat-buffet, seat them, take their order, feed them, and then once the 125 pound kid starts eating an extra bite of salad, tell him that he can only eat as much as the younger, 120 pound kids eat...

And then when the 125 pound kid eats less, suddenly the 120 pound kid is "eating too much". By the end of the year, all of the kids are either dead from malnutrition, or they've decided that this was all a ponzi scheme, and really, there's no food to be had!

That's only one part of the problem though, because at this buffet, you pay thirty dollars for all you can eat...or you can pay thirty dollars for three slices of one inch by one inch pizza. But those who pay for the unlimited pizza...are only allowed to eat two slices of pizza before the server starts hand feeding you at a rate of 1 bite per hour.

What the heck kind of deal is that? Top 5%? Jesus, there will always be a top five percent. At the very least give the unlimited folks three slices of pizza ( their moneys worth) before you ask them to slow down. And stop blaming on the children! The idiots aren't the 120 pound kids, they're the 500 pound monkeys who falsely promise to feed an army when they can't even feed themselves.

In all seriousness, don't blame or punish the users! Build a network that can handle what you advertised! I don't care if your "contracts" have loop holes in them. In the end, this is false advertisement, and those small claims court meetings, and arbitration will only protect you for so long.

If I sold you something I couldn't even provide, I'd be in a lot of trouble!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JGuinan007:
Your Unlimited Plan is GONE!

AT&T will never stop throttling until ALL unlimited data plans are gone.

If you have unlimited Data Plan and want to keep don't use more than 2gb of data per cycle unless you want to be throttled.

When you call to complain you will be offered the new 3gb plan for the same price and you will never be throttled cause AT&T will charge you more for it so the bes t you can do to get close to the old unlimitted data is the 5gb plan but it's going to cost you alot more

This is how it is nothing you can do about it AT&T like all the other carriers will win the grass isn't greener any where else every big carrier is gettting rid of unlimited data.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
I have a quick question regarding Unlimited Data and our contracts.

Is there anything in our contracts that forces them to "grandfather" features or pricing from previous years contracts?

The reason I ask is because we sign a new contract every time we buy a new subsidized phone. Now I want my Unlimited data....I'm even willing to pay for it...but I don't see why AT&T continues to "grandfather" these old features if they are unwilling to support them.

For that matter...I use A-List. Without A-List, my minutes per month would be at least 1000 minutes more per month. I'd hate for them to just "redefine" the A-List feature such that maybe it only allows 250 A-List Minutes per month....or even worse.....just says that A-List is no longer supported.

Thoughts?? Comments??
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] techntrek:
CradleRob, you read my mind, I was just coming to this thread to talk about this. Last time I actually read the agreement, my interpretation is that they could drop all plans - voice/calling or data - and force us to choose current plans.

So be happy that you still have your old data plan, or your old voice plan. I'm still on a regional calling plan which I'll never give up unless they force me; I very rarely go outside of my region. I just checked and the closest 2 Family National plans would either cost me $20 more (with 300 fewer minutes) or $40 more (with 400 more minutes). Almost the entire cost of my data plan, so allowing us to stay on our old calling plans is a bigger deal than hanging on to old data plans.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
I'm in customer care myself had to call in and test it yesterday but did work lol. Went from 0.01 Mbps back to 8.03 Mbps on a Infuse
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CXENTE:
AT&T Free Msg: Your data usage is among the top 5% of users. Data speeds for the rest of your current bill cycle may be reduced. Visit www.att.com/dataplans.

Im really getting tired of receiving these texts, in the middle of my bill cycle..GRRRRZ .. I swear it wasn't 2GB yet.....
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
If you have a iPhone or a Blackberry swap the sim card call AT&T make them change the IMEI # and data plan to unlimited for that phone then call back swap them back and it's unthrottled
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dacket84:
I never got this e-mail before. Just last month, instead, I got e-mails complaining about me tethering. Said they'd force me onto a tether plan unless I stopped. Used about 7.8gb with no throttled speeds. :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ap3604:
You mean swap the sim card into a different phone right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
Yes then call and have them update the IMEI and Data Plan to the Unlimited of that Phone as long as its a SmartPhone of a different bread like from a Infuse to a iPhone or Blackberry back to the Infuse.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
at&t on throttling "blame yourselves" lmao

AT&T on data throttling: Blame yourselves
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] gordata:
Got the top 5% bullcrap 2 days into my billing cycle and I was only at 1.4gb of usage and today I am at this :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
After I got throttled I thought of everyway to get more usage... but now I just fix it and use as normal
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] borijess:
How do u fix it?

Sent from the SuperStreak! ;-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
Changes phones call AT&T make them change the IMEI and Data plan hangup call back using your normal phone and have them update IMEI and Data plan.

Unthrottled
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samoevn:
I just got it I used only 1.9 GB from my unlimited plan.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Sinful Animosity:
We need an Occupy ATT. I am the 5%
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Aerials:
Wow..It sure seems like AT&T is seriously harassing the grandfathered unlimited data people. Based on reports from people in different locations, I guess the at&t statement of the "5%" is based on geographical info is somewhat true...but I still look at that more as bs.

I don't think VZW is currently doing this to their unlimited data users? I asked many of my friends who are in this category, and they say they haven't been harassed yet...even when they consistently use at least 10GB of data per month.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
Verizon does it too, but I believe they do it to the top 1%.

Can't confirm that though
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Yuhfhrh:
Verizon only throttles phones without 4g capability, and of those they only experience throttled speed on heavily congested towers.

Basically Verizon=network management, and At&t=its all about the money
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] claudiovr6:
I completely agree...... I have been with AT&T ever since Cellular One and I had always the unlimited data ...... and its fkg unbelievable ..... they always do what ever they what ... and you to them are just a $ nothing else... if you have unlimited data you should get that period and its not like that..... plus every time the revise an agreement... you have to accept or accept..... this is BS!!!!!

one thing they should do is improve the network for better and bigger bandwidth and if there is no space for more people just don't keep adding new contract ... Fk!!!!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Synner12:
The mistake carriers made was offering unlimited in the first place. It shows a pitiful lack of foresight. They really should just cut the unlimited plans out and take their lumps. I say that as a grandfathered customer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Jon225:
Did you ever get the message with your previous phone?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
They say its because data consumption has doubled so........punish your customers because your network cant handle your customer needs??? WTF kind of business practices are these? How about upgrading your damm network already to handle customer growth and needs. I bet this doesnt stop them from activating new customers daily. I know they'll be getting hit with lawsuits left and right shortly :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rgarjr:
It's also about greed not just that they need upgrading. Unlimited users will never go over their data plans so AT&T gets no more money.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Of course its only about greed. We dont actually believe a word at&t says now do we? :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dasin:
Lets be realistic about this, if a wireless provider lets you use there data network at full speed, unlimited data comsuption without no throttling. That network would be congested and leave poor call quality and dropped calls, poor service all around.

Keep in mind ATT is not your friend, it business PERIOD. So if it is not profitable for the wireless provider there is no need to offer it. As much as us customers complain nothing is going to change, and dont get me wrong i have a issue with the throttling also.

My iPad has been throttled, its showing me EDGE now, but **** what can i do about it, it is what it is.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxjivi05:
Not true data and voice are completely different.

sent from AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note Dual Core 1.83 GHz
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] adelmundo:
AT&T's reasoning is, yes the data is UNLIMITED, but the speed they have to provide it to you, is not. They will promise you the highway, but the highway is only 2 lanes in the middle of Los Angeles during commute hours.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
You guys must be at&t representatives because I cant comprehend why you are making up "valuable" reasons for their greed lol. They would not operate this long if it wasn't for their customers, hows that for real :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] adelmundo:
Thus the reason why my personal line is on Sprint. Unlimited data and no throttling. Express your dissatisfaction with your wallet.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
I would but sprints coverage is useless and weak in my area and commute, forget about tmobile and the lesser quality cell providers. Only one that can handle my area better than at&t is verizon and I'm very iffy on returning back to them. Until then we shall find ways to evade throttling :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
Throttled --- the now not anymore?

I got throttled earlier this week on my Atrix faux-G.

Picked up the Galaxy note yesterday using my father's upgrade. The ATT rep at the store tried to issue me a new sim, but was not able too because of the data throttle, and said that I had to use my old phone until my billing cycle was up. (LAME). I had no reason not to believe him, heard him on the phone with the ATT rep and everything.

So -- I took my note and the sim the guy gave me to use once my billing cycle renewed. I then called ATT from my Atrix and told them:

"hey, wtf, i bought a new phone, got a sim, and i cant even use it?"

The rep on the phone said I should still be able to activate my new sim in my new phone, regardless of the throttle (I would still be throttled). Anyways, we go about activating the new sim, and voila -- I have voice and text on my phone.

but no data.

So i call later on that night and complain to them I can't get any data -- the lady on the phone said the earlier rep mis-typed a number on my IMEI and that she would fix it. She fixed it and I tested data, and it worked.

AND THE THROTTLE WAS GONE. now i'm enjoying un-throttled speeds for the rest of my cycle.

and that's my story.

I know i know (cool story bro)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] SysAdmNj:
Well thats one of the temp solutions for now that was mentioned in other posts, have them change imei numbers when you are throttled and then back to original device and throttle off :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ghettopops:
^ like it except now that i have a note they have upgraded my "Unlimited" to unlimited LTE. maybe throttle my back to 4g ;)

i only use 3-5gigatys on heavy months so not a factor
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] HarmonyFlame:
This is the EXACT same situation I went through. Unthrottled ftw.

Sent from the best mobile device ever --Samsung Galaxy Note
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
This entire topic pisses me off... a lot. :(

1) My main problem with all of this is that the carriers are promoting more and more multimedia functionality on faster and faster smartphones; and then they treat you like a chump when you actually, oh, I dunno, USE THE DAMN THING for more media consumption. :mad: At the same time, companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon are convincing everyone to migrate their media to a cloud where they can access said data "anytime." Well, guess what... you cant access your cloud and successfully play any of your media IF THE DAMN CARRIER DROPS YOU TO 2G SPEEDS!! uhgg... grumble grumble... grrrrRRRrrr...

2) I only use large amounts of data twice a day: morning and evening rush hours. I spend my 90-minute commute (each way) watching episodes of various TV shows stored in my cloud -- which comes out to almost 300Mb/day! The rest of the day, my phone gets turned off and placed in a locker. I've only had my Note for three days; so, in my market, I'm probably on pace to get throttled in 1 or 2 weeks... DOH! As I said, I only really use data during those three commuting hours each day. Should what I'm doing be considered "abuse"? That's just f'n absurd.

3) I just switched from an old iPhone 3GS to the SGNote almost entirely because I hoped to take advantage of its gorgeous screen and beautiful LTE speeds to stream my media. Sadly, that entire dream might need to be thrown out the window the second I get throttled for doing so.

Like I said, this entire issue pisses me off. When (not "if") they throttle me, and my new shiny multimedia device becomes practically useless, I'm going to go start ripping off letters to the FCC, my Congress-critters, and just about anyone else I can think of. Until enough people do the same, and real attention is finally drawn to this unethical business practice, we're completely screwed...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
That's just ****ing ridiculous. I hope for all the other users in your area, you do get throttled. 3 hours of video streaming on network a day is certainly abuse. Just looked at atts data calculator and the Max they let you see is 50 minutes of streaming video a day. With NON hd, 50 minutes a day puts you around 3gb while hd puts you around 8. So because you've been with att foe at least 4 years that entitles you to rape the network and slow down other people's speeds? I say throttle all the hogs
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] boxerlover02:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Its about corporate greed its become the American way.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] s1mpd1ddy:
I have no problem with this guy streaming movies on his commutes. Do what you gotta do man! Honestly -- if he is able to stream an HD movie -- that means there's enough bandwidth in the area that allows him to do that. When I used to try and stream an HD movie on my atrix during rush hour.... it would be wicked choppy because my area is fairly condensed (everyone loves an iPhone here).

So you pay for unlimited, you should do whatever you want with it. Why should you have to worry about freeing up some bandwidth for someone else?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] CradleRob:
So your saying that someone who streams 1 hour of tv a day is a hog? If that's the case, I suppose that Netflix, vimeo, youtube, etc all need to be restricted to WIFI only. In this day in age, I can't imagine being told that I can't use Netflix outside my home. Streaming video is in fact one of the reasons most of us got this phone in the first place!

What really kills me is that if someone wanted to watch 1 hour of HD Video a day, they would have to pay $80.00 bucks a month just for their data!!!!! That is simply ridiculous!!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paleh0rse:
Perhaps I should have been a little more clear with how I'm streaming video from "my cloud":

-- I run Plex Media Server at home (FIOS 35/35 FTW! :cool:)

-- I watch the

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videos during my commute using the Android Plex app on a connection that is primarily/consistently LTE, which is why the usage is only about 175Mb for roughly 70min (3*22-25min episodes) of video... which usually totals about 300-350Mb per day. (In other words, you can pretty much toss out all that "SD = X" and "HD = Y" nonsense you were just throwing around).

So, let me get this straight... you are saying that by watching 140min of low-quality transcoded video per day, on my shiny-new-LTE-multimedia-powerhouse-smartphone, I'm actually "abusing" my supposedly "unlimited" account, and that I'm also screwing it up for everyone else?

140min of low-quality video per day = abuse?

That's just complete and total horsesh*t.

Please explain why the phone came with wonderful pre-installed apps like "Live TV," Google Music, and Youtube. Was there a sticker or some fine print somewhere that says those apps, and other media apps like them, should only be considered useable or viable on wifi? I must have missed that part of the commercial, or that sticker on the box... :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ssfirme:
agreed with you %100
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
You can argue your uhhh "point" all you want but one day you're gonna get hit with ATTs hard truth. They do not have to let you keep your unlimited data. Absolutely nowhere in the contract does it say it, in fact it says they reserve the right to limit your data usage as they see fit so that it does not affect the data usage of others. (I deal with their contracts daily) So enjoy your 6 episode commutes to work while you can, which btw I hope your job is exciting cuz I would shoot myself in the face if I needed to watch 6 episodes of tv a day, in my car, just to be entertained
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Sinful Animosity:
I think you need to calm down. Your anger should be directed at the people that tether their phone's to their laptops and torrent all day. The ones pulling 10GB+. Being mad at somebody for watching their videos that the device encourages us to is just... wrong.

He's right, AT&T, Google, Apple, etc all encourage us to use these brand new cloud services. He's doing nothing wrong. Yes, they do have to let me use my unlimited data, otherwise they would have switched us all over to a tier plan long ago.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
PM me if you got throttled. I need more testers for a method to get unthrottled.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Trust me I'm not angry. I'll likely never be in any situation where his usage is going to affect me. I'm not mad at anyone for their usage I just feel no sympathy for the people who, in my eyes, are abusing the network. You can argue whether it is abuse all you want but when you look at standard usage across the network Im sure you can pin it as excessive. And yes they can let you use your unlimited data but that doesnt mean they cant render it practically useless to teach you a lesson. Theyre doing everyone a service by grandfathering you and by no means were required to do that. Look at sprints hotspot unlimited plans that they just got rid of and didnt grandfather anyone. In fact they even stopped unlimited usage for customers still under contract. Use it how you want it I guess cuz we wont have it forever. And relax :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] samomamo:
Nobody is abusing the network if they sold us unlimited then it has to be unlimited. Then they shuld state that its limited high speed and unlimited very slow service that is impossible to use.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] rquinn19:
Am I abusing the network if I talk for the whole commute to work since I have unlimited mobile to mobile? How about unlimimited texts? At what point are people abusing that? You do sound mad when you imply that there's something wrong with him for watching so much tv. Chances are you're a young kid. Do you remember the time when there was dial up internet which had limits? Now we have broadband and are (usually) only limited by speed. You have to download an insane amount of data before you're ISP sends you a later and even at that point they don't throttle you.

What makes cell carriers so special? They are selling a product. If they don't want people to use their product in that fashion they shouldn't market it to us that way.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Id like to consider myself a young kid. Im 25, love to travel and party. I guess that somehow means I dont understand that a company that does not even sell a product anymore wants to get rid of it because its costing them money. Ooooh dial up? Whats that??

Its like some of you are surprised this is happening lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxh:
The $30 unlimited data plan is absolutely, most certainly NOT costing AT&T any money, whatsoever. It's actually making them fat profits. They simply want the fat profits to be even fatter.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elloco305:
Anyone get this working right?

I can get it to play but after a few minutes it just freezes causing a reboot.

On miui clocked 1400 performance. Nothing else running.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boricua305:
I haven't had any problems paying gta at all. I'm running miui ROM though.

Did you check if any programs are eating away at your ram?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daxecutioner24:
Yea i had it running fine, even connecting my ps3 controller with it.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elloco305:
What steps are you guys taking?? I'll

Yeah I try after a fresh boot and still get the same freeze after a few mins

I just downloaded a new data package that's stripped with no audio. Its said to help a lot . Ill report back.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrmako777:
it says its incompatible with my device so i have no way to say whether it works. how are you guys playing this? running miui 1.12.16
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elloco305:
I'm on TDJs latest stable. It works good just freezes horrible. After a few minutes of game play.

Even with resolution all the way down. And making it as ugly as I can. Lol
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrmako777:
I'm assuming you guys got this from the market? I've tried even with cm7 and it still doesn't show up. Confused as to why it shows up for others but not for me. Weird

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