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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] frazipe:
I agree. Thanks for starting one.

My experience...I pre-ordered the TP as soon as it became available on BB.com. It came in on Jan 3rd. I returned it on Jan 14th. I noticed right away that the WiFi was weak. I checked other wifi devices in my house from the same distances and they were all fine. I downloaded a wifi analyzer app and checked the wifi signal and it was all over the place. It never got in the green and would drop the signal completely ever few minutes or so. So, I downloaded the same app onto my cell phone and the signal was fine. No drops and held steady in the green. All from the same spot in my house. Of course, in my game room right next to my router the signal would be fine.

I then paired my LG bluetooth headset and the signal got even worse. It would lose connection to my router all together.

I decided to return mine. I did alot of research on this problem and have seen ALOT of people with these same problems. But some people have said they have no wifi problems with some of the later serial numbers. So I decided to give it one more shot. I have one on order from BB and will post my experiences with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
There probably isn't one because weak wifi is subjective to user opinion ans their personal network. So many different factors can influence network performance as no 2 networks are the same. Its alot more complicated to determine if someone truly has weak wifi or if its their network settings or if something else is interfering with signal that's unknown yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
Well my Prime's WiFi is much weaker compared to two other tablets, Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
N my prime is on par or better than my Ipad or atrix. So its a wide range of performance that can be easily influenced by other things. Not saying yours doesn't have weak wifi, just making a point. I've extensively tested range n strength n speeds vs. My Ipad n Atrix 4g. Prime pulls fastest speeds of all 3. By a large margin also. Then for range they all about the same. As far as stability, my prime holds the signal very well. That's not to say others aren't experiencing this. Its just that a very controlled test has to be done to specifically pin point if prime in fact has weaker wifi performance. Or if its being caused by something else.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
No complication here. Travel with a friend who has an iPad/Samsung/Etc tablet. Verify, like I did, that sometimes you are *not* able to use WiFi at airports, Hotels, Starbucks, etc, like your friend easily did with his tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] federer:
my wifi is weak. much weaker than galaxy tab 10.1 and original transformer. we need an official thread for this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
That's what I worry about. I've tweaked my router's channels and moved it closer to center of house, outside of a closet. All because of Prime's weak wifi compared to other tablets I have tested it against.

While I have good WiFi now inside my home because of the changes, I worry that when I travel I may get stuck.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
Speed and signal strength at two completely separate things though. That spotted means nothing when you have no signal. Post screen shots of all three of your devices in the same spot with something that shows the strength of your wifi in dB.

The thing everyone is worried about is when they leave the ideal situation of their own home. This is why I am getting rid of my Acer a500. It constantly gets 25dB less signal strength when it actually gets a signal but when I go other places, I don't usually get signal unless I am close to the router.

So I was going to look at the Prime, but it appears it has the same problem. Most likely due to the aluminum back cover like my Acer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] frazipe:
I think there has been enough post/articles on this site and many others to say that this is not a subjective issue. It may be an issue that is not affecting every TP made (I hope my next TP is one of those) but to those that have the problems it is a real wifi problem. I just hope Asus would finally admit to it and resolve it. I find it hard to believe that they don't know what the problem is yet. The guy on this site (the should I cut a hole in my TP thread) that took his TP apart found the antenna assy had a faulty PCB.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
Weak WiFi is no more subjective than anything else if you're using proper measurement tools. "Bars" mean nothing, and I won't quote "bars" as any evidence. However, tools like Wifi Analyzer and Speedtest.net give objective, comparable numbers. I understand that a number of factors effect WiFi but that's the point -- a weak WiFi will have more problems accommodating these factors. It's not sufficient to say "you're not in the optimal environment" when that environment cannot be controlled outside of one's own house or (sometimes) place of business.

With that introduction....

I'm on my second Prime, and I can verify that WiFi PERFORMANCE has been generally lower on both Primes than my HTC Incredible and my HP laptop. At my house, D-Link 802.11G Channel 6, the phone is usually about 15 to 20% faster on Speedtest.net, and with the laptop it can be 40% faster. Additionally, as many other users report, at further distances from the router the dropoff on the Primes becomes substantial. In the farthest room of my house from the router (one floor down, two rooms away) my phone can pull 3000-4000k on Speedtest and my laptop pulls 7000k+, yet both Primes CONSISTENTLY drop to 1000k or below.

I tested at my brother-in-law's house yesterday during the Super Bowl to see how it would behave on a different network. Linksys router, 802.11G on Channel 11, my phone consistently got 5500-6500k down and my Prime never got above 2500. I was one floor down, one room over from the router.

Oddly, on WiFi Analyzer my Prime gets almost the exact same signal strength as my phone in all environments. That's the only hope I have that this could be a software issue and be fixable with a new firmware.

Again, I understand variance in network environments, but I think it's clear that for a significant number of users in varied environments, the WiFi on the Prime is delivering lower performance than other devices in similar conditions.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
I have found that signal strength is comparable on my Prime to that of other tablets. (I just checked it again.) But at distances from my router, the Prime gets slower download speeds than the other tablets I've tested it against.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] phree1:
Wifi on my Prime is definitely far worse than on any other device I own.

At home, it actually works perfect, regardless of where I am in the house.

At work it is a whole different ball game. I drop my connection every few minutes, can't connect, etc. I have two different usable wireless networks and my own 4g wireless hotspot.

I can not stay connected to any of them. I assume it is due to the amount of interference floating mixed with the construction of the prime and its firmware.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
You have other tablets in your home that you are comparing it to? When I compare my Acer a500 to my HTC Rezound (phone), my phone gets around -40dB signal strength and the tablet gets -65dB if I am lucky and that is sitting within 15 feet with direct line of sight to my Access Point (that I actually set up because the tablet was so crappy at getting a signal from my primary router).

My house is a pretty open ranch that is only 1450 square feet, so it is not like it is a huge house either (and it is all one floor).

EDIT: Wait a minute, what are you smoking? You have your own thread in this same forum complaining about your Prime being worse than your other two tablets and then you tell me it is comparable????
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
I understood his post as saying that signal strength is comparable to other devices, but data throughput is lower. This would be consistent with what I've seen on both the Primes I've used.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
I said the WiFi Analyzer SIGNAL STRENGTH is comparable. The Prime's download speed are weak compared to other tablets, especially the Galaxy10.1.

Someone else reported the same thing, comparable WiFi signal strength, but slower Prime WiFi downloads.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
Look at his thread, "Time to "Downgrade" to TF101?". He clearly states that the signal is weak (and much weaker than the Samsung).

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Very poor choice of words if that is indeed the case. Weak is the opposite of Strong, you should have said slower if you purely meant the speed. Anyway, post a screenshot of your tablets with wifi analyzer up and in the same spot. I am curious....

I am actually thinking of getting the TF101 as well FWIW.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
Ok, this is my first day on this forum. I've been on Transformerforums.com since the Prime launch and I've participated in a number of discussions over there but I decided to participate over here because it looked like the technical quality of the discussions was a little deeper and more informative. Attacking another single user for his choice of words in describing a problem is not helpful and does not forward the discussion of the issue. I think we understood what he was saying and I agree with him. Let's keep this on topic and actually discuss the Prime, not someone language semantics.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
I am not attacking by any means and I obviously did not understand what he was saying otherwise I would have not brought it up. I am an engineer so maybe I am more analytical than most so when I read weak, I associate that with strength not speed.

I would still like to see a screen shot of the comparison between other devices. It seems like there are tons of complaints about the signal strength (reported by wifi analyzer) is much lower for the Prime compared to other tablets and that is the issue I am having now with my Acer so I don't want to get in to that situation again.

Too often, people will try and "justify" their purchases when there really is an issue with the product. There has to be a reason the Prime is rated lower than the original transformer when on a spec sheet the Prime blows the original away.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1479664

second post under mod section you'll see tons of testing and modding that should help you understand some of our issues

Now that I've had some more time to test it out, I've found that my WiFi is indeed pretty flawed.

First day, reached decent distances with decent signal. Today, three days after, I seem to get worse results.

This seems to go along with the idea that the pogopins aren't quite making a proper connection with the antenna. However, I do also see degradation in signal strength when changing whether my Prime faces the AP or away. So this goes along with the idea that the backplate is interfering.

I personally believe it's both, plus a third and maybe more issues.

Only time will tell, as I don't see ASUS doing so. We are the beta testers, and I believe we'll generally be the repairmen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
To me, WiFi being weak, means that the WiFi in general is weak. Throughput is most important to me. Not relative signal strength, although as I (and another) have noted, signal strength on Prime is similar to other tablets I've tested here at home. It's WiFi throughput (especially at distance) where the Prime is weak.

I will see if I can make it any clearer by editing, adding "throughput" to post.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
There are several people who posted in other threads that they have already traveled alot with their prime. Not just speculation LR assumptions. N they had no problem connecting to hotel wifi, Starbucks, college campus network or whatever. You just have to look instead of worrying without even trying it out yourself yet.

As far as screenshots. I've been did that. Its buried in one of the many threads on issue. Don't have to go proving it everytime someone is in doubt. I'm just stating what I've seen, which is a flipside. I might do it again later though. Ill see.

Check out link in my signature n you will also see other people have good wifi.

But an official thread might be needed for "supposed" weak wifi. The only thing is a strict test will have to be made to prove this. Just running speedtest apps on several devices doesn't prove this at all. Others will come n say the same thing. A more controlled, meaning no outside factors influencing results, test needs to be put in place. I'm all for an official thread on this. But just because someone says its weaker then my "whatever" doesn't prove or show the real difference or pin point weak wifi to prime.

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Actually prime is not rated lower then OG transformer on wifi speeds or range. Anandtech last n final work test showed prime being up at top of list compared to other devices. It says if you on the edge of range with OG transformer then prime won't be any better. Performance overall, wifi wise, still places prime up top. If you want screenshots, just search the other threads. Seriously doubt people will keep on doing this tl prove to other people everytime someone new comes along. The data you looking for is already here. You just have to search for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
As useful as his teardown photos can be, I wouldn't put too much stock in his words... I remember the Prime supposedly being glued shut and requiring a heat gun, and it only has some tape in three small spots...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
I meant rated lower overall as in, users being happy with their purchase and rating a product.

If you have some screenshots that you can find that would be great. From what I have read, everything seems to lean towards the signal strength of the Prime is lower than most other tablets and is often led to believe it is due to the aluminum back cover.

And I have had bad luck with my Acer which also has the common issue of weak wifi if you search and ironically also has an aluminum back cover. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but I am starting to lean towards it not being 100% coincidence.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
True but he is the only major site that extensively tested wifi.

But to OP, I'm not trying to debate. Was just throwing some info out there. I'm all for you making an official thread on it since this seems to affect enough users to be an issue. Are you gonna make an official thread or turn this one into it? If this one, maybe change the thread title to reflect it. Also come up with some kind of very strict testing method to determine if a person really has weak wifi or if its just their network settings or some outside interference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
"supposed"??? It may be supposed to you, but it's clear there is a WiFi problem to others. At distance, Prime is definitely way weaker throughput than Galaxy 10.1 and HTC Flyer. Speedtest shows this. Just browsing, it's noticeable. The Prime seems to work fine NEAR the router, but performance drops at distance when compared to other tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
My prime....on wifi analyzer I'm Stormshadow....good distance away from router n through wallsn doors

Compared to surrounding signals in my building
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Aye. Formulate an inclusive test. I may can help later in the day, after work. I'm still trying to find my dang opening tools! At which point, anyone can PM me and I'll do just about anything so long as I have the resources and it won't end up keeping me from returning the tablet. Next month however, all's fair game and this thing is getting completely messed with.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Performance drop at a distance is already a known for some people. Any device, not just the prime. The further you move away from router, therefore signal gets weaker, there will be a drop in wifi speeds. Its just that some are noticing its a higher drop than comparable tablets. Like i said, is already a known issue for some. BIG update due any day know, supposedly gonna fix alot of major issues and will probably tweak wifi performance also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
What is a "good" distance from your router? Also, have you ran any tests with another tablet at the same time (or smartphone)?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Like 30ft. Or more away n another room. Ipad doesn't have an app like wifi analyzer. Only speed test app. Compared range by built in bars. Ipad had less bars. I think I have an app on Ipad that might show dbm strength. Ill have to look. For smart phone ill try to update that post with pix of those. Its android n I have speedtest n wifi analyzer up there also. Ill need to figure how to take screenshots on phone as its not on ICS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xceebeex:
That would be great (and yea, don't pay attention to the bars because they don't mean much, that is why I always look a signal strength in dB's because that you can't argue with). What would be better is if you could pull up the app on both the phone and tablet and take a digital picture with the two units next to each other that way it is further proof that they are in the same location when testing.

I really like everything about the Prime except all of these reported issues which unfortunately don't seem to be few and far between. They seem to plague most units and then just some units more than others.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rsarno:
Thank you for making this thread. In fact the wifi losing strength as i walk away from my router, is the single only issue (aside from GPS that i dont need) that i actually have with my prime. It is not a SEVERE issue, but its definitely there.

Here is a quote from my own blog on the wifi reception:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
http://i.imgur.com/ShwAv.png

^^Our WiFi problem is exactly the same WiFi problem that Anand Lal Shimpi from AnandTech had. With the overwhelming amount of complaints I think it's ridiculous that the burden of proof falls on the end user. Asus CLEARLY knew about the WiFi problem way before release. The TF300t & TF700t with documented improved WiFI over the TF201 is proof enough.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That was on his intial tests. Then he got another new unit and did a final test. Which one of my previous posts in this thread shows the results of his final test. I out screenshots up of it. One thing for sure, it seems hit n miss whether wifi performing right for some people or not. Like Amanda first model test showed ****ty results. Then on his last model he got it showed great results. Hit n miss
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slef2003:
My Current Prime is a silver 32Mb model with a serial number of C1OKAS0808** which was a replacement for a similar model with a knacked dock.

When I was first downloading the ICS update it

felt

as if the wifi was particularly slow and when it was running I loaded wifi analyser to check on signal strength.

I am on a 50meg cable connection with a router downstairs at the back of the house and an AP upstairs in my loft. I live in a pretty normal uk semi detached house and have a number of neighbours with wireless networks. my main router is set to channel 2 and my AP is set to channel 13.

I was under the impression that the secondary wifi ariel would kick in to allow speeds above 20Mb, however this is yet to happen with any speed tests to date, no matter how far from the router I have been.

Another anomaly that I have found is that I consistently get higher upload speeds than download which I find a bit confusing, partly as my upload on a wired connection is generally around the 4.6Mb level whilst the prime can "reach a higher speed" than this which does make me wonder about the reliability of the speed test results.

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The best speeds above were achieved pretty close to my router and I am concluded why upload speeds are often higher than download!

The second picture s of the speedtest result from my desire in exactly the same spot as the top test on the image above which is of a number of tests on my tfp...note that the U/L is lower than the D/L

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My subjective feeling is that there can be a variation in the actual strength of the wifi connection and throughput which can at times not correlate to the recorded strength of signal received, and that this TFP is not as fast as my previous ones.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Exactly. His first Prime is like my 5 bad Primes with crappy WiFi throughput. His last Prime is like your good Prime with decent WiFi.

My Prime has okey dokey range as far as ICS shows. It's just my throughput is not enough where as on other devices at the same range mop the floor with my Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dcAndroidFan:
What is the source to support this comment? I know that Gary, in his last update, said that they are working on an firmware fix due in early February to address the very specific BT/WiFi dropout issue (if possible), but I haven't seen any official announcements of a "BIG update" to fix "a lot of major issues" which could address WiFi in general. Seems to me that if we had that sort of announcement from Asus, all of us with the "supposed" WiFi issue would be a lot happier -- in fact, I think that's the whole point of this thread. We DON'T have any sort of official announcement or acknowledgement that there is a general WiFi issue which NEEDS to be addressed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techie2012:
Agreed. Also, I have a feeling that this issue cannot be resolved by FW updates (I could be wrong), so I keep returning my units before the return window closes. I'd hate to deal with RMAs for something I just bought and paid that much money for.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That is the one I'm talking about. He said it in other threads also before he left. That the next update is supposed tl be a big one in which they're working with Nvdia on it. That it will fix alot of big issues. This was a couple weeks back or so. Due in February. Which means it literally could be any day know. You want to see exact source of him saying that then just search. I remembered what he said so i don't need to source it. Whether you believe it or not is on you N that's completely fine. Update coming in February is no mystery or secret.

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The thing is wifi could possibly be a SOFTWARE ISSUE. you have a large number of people that say their wifi work fine. Then you have another side who says it doesn't. So if someone feels that strongly thst nothing will help or work, just return it. Stop stressing over it. If you optimistic, then lets see what this update might bring.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
I heard very similar from Asus Technical Product Manager one of the times I met with him. Update in "early February"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kmkings311:
Range.

Not sure if my issues like what the others have...

Example being...Sitting upstairs in my split foyer home, maybe 15 feet away from the router (through the floor in the utility room) and hit buffer time on YouTube. 15 secs initially..then plays 10 secs..buffers for 10..so on, so on...

So, I go sit downstairs..maybe same distance to router, just not through the floor..and YouTube works fine. Weird part is...when using Analyzer, everything is relatively fine (around -62dBm)..

So, same signal strength, but my output takes a hit....Odd...

update: s/n is bcokas