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[Nokia Lumia 800] surya467:
lol..i agree with cloud...but to say...here in our country...keeping connected to cloud is not very possible...so bluetooth id needed...lumia had a very big release here in our country and dey couldnt consider a bluetooth transfer..:/

sad...i hope it cums in an update as well as wifi hotspot..

also needs battery improvement...

waiting for modders to crack open the firmware...i need tools..i can help!!!
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
What's so hard to understand? Cloud means data, more time, more money, and how other person is supposed to receive it? What if he has Symbian phone like me? Or S40 phone??

My phone is E72, my wife's Lumia 800, say she took a pic she wants to share with me, are you saying it's better and easier to use cloud than transfer it via bluetooth directly phone2phone? I'm sorry but that's a load of BS. You coundn't find any dumber excuse for missing BT.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
Keep in mind that bluetooth OBEX is not a flaw of the Lumia, but is a shortcoming on the part of Windows Phone design. Also, iPhone cannot do this either. Can Android? I dunno, never tried.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Well, I bought Nokia, not Microsoft phone, and I paid my money to Nokia, not to MS, so it's Lumia's fault. All these years people are used to the fact that top line Nokia offers full functiong bluetooth.

Still, I get your point but if you have a laptop, you will see that Microsoft doesn't support full bluetooth there too, at least not on mine Vaio. For this purpose there is a bluetooth stack (mine is made by Toshiba) which is small software programm. So, all these excuses "it's not Nokia it's MS" are funny. There is a way around, not to mention their "special relationships" , I'm sure if Nokia insisted MS would do that stack specially for Nokia by themselves.

As for Iphone and Android I never tried it too, i've been using Nokias for last 10 years.

Still, after doing some research online it turns out there are some apps for Iphone that allow bluetooth files sharing, i think it's restricted to pictures and videos, no music files, though not sure about that. Also, you can do jailbreak and use full Bluetooth functions (by the way, there is whopping Bluetooth 4.0 in Ip4S, Lumia in comparison has ancient and slow ver 2.1,)

Android does it all by default, no apps, no hacking needed. Even a year old Galaxy S2 already has fast Bluetooth 3.0 HS (high speed). So, Lumia turns out complete looser and dissappointment in this regard. And did i mention crappy camera?
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
FFS, Nokia did not develop the OS in this case. Don't blame them for something they have no influence.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Nokia is not some no name chinese brand, they have strategic cooperation with Microsoft so your attempts to make it look like there is no influence are ridiculous.

Even if indeed, there is not influece in OS development, there is a way around like making extra software to utilise missing bluetooth functions better.

They already have exclusive apps strictly for Nokia (Nokia drive for example, which uses GPS chip), same way they can make an app for Bluetooth too.

Your attemps as Nokias apologist are lame.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
Christ, you have no clue about wp7, do you?
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Well, you could come up with something more intelligent, instead of this fake amazement and cheap shots.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
Well, what can I say? I'm surprised that you're making such a stink over such a small feature that NO Windows Phone currently has. Has it crossed your mind that it might be an OS limitation? Seriously, figure out a different alternative to OBEX. It's practically dead.
[Nokia Lumia 800] guntars00:
MS Exchange 2010 remote wipe on Lumia

Does anyone tried remote wipe feature on Lumia using MS Exchange 2010? I've connected MS Exchange mailbox on my Lumia 800 and decided to test remote wipe functionality initiated from Exchange server. As the result I've got full device reset and lost all the contacts and applications too :(
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Well, if that feature is small to you, why try to force your opinion on others, to which it is important? Do you really think i'm the only one?? Go to Nokia forums and see all those complains. You can google "lumia bluetooth problems" too. You are not very helpful here, not suggesting any alternative, all you do is advocating Nokia and downplaying obvious drawbacks. Yours posts are irrelevant in this thread, which is dedicated to Lumias flaws.

And I don't want to repeat myself over again, may be you have problems with reading comprehension? Iphone has OS limitations too, yet there are ways around. And because "obex is dead" they put BT 4.0 in latest Iphone and so does Samsung, which already offers high speed file transfer via bluetooth for almost a year? Your argument is a joke, may be you are not very sociable or you live in cave, i don't know, but in Russia, where i live, file sharing is very popular, and there is no decent alternative to Bluetooth.
[Nokia Lumia 800] bnathan:
In response to the people saying Bluetooth is easier to send a pic than the cloud... this is the 21 century. Hold your finger on the phone and click sent to Facebook or sky drive. Learn how to use your phone. Bluetooth is a slow and cumbersome way to do anything. Not to mention I can send a pic to a friend on the other side of the city, country or world.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
For 21 century there is a Bluetooth 4.0 and facebook is not alternative to it (not everyone uses it) not to mention skydrive, most people never heard of it.

What you just wrote is cumbersome, using facebook and skydrive (which takes more time and may require additional data charges) to transfer pic to person standing next to me, instead of simple straight forward phone2phone transfer via BT.
[Nokia Lumia 800] yeoldgreat1:
This is the main bug that annoys me.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1465374

Also, the single volume setting whether you have headphones plugged in or not grinds my gears.
[Nokia Lumia 800] sHaHiN786:
Wow! You still use bluetooth to transfer files? Haha! :D Sorry.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Nakazul:
no matter what we want....

..... Bluetooth have seen its glory, its a gadget thing now (headset, keyboard etc) and Sony or Ericsson is to blame, can't remember which.

My tip is mail it, its built in, it uses pretty small data. I stopped paying SMS and MMS thnx to messenger and mail so that changes the bill also. I understand you miss BT file transfers, but in afriad its gone forever...good news is MSFat is planing a better thing as a alternative. Guess its just new times and new ways to use a smartphone and basically, a smartphone without data plan working is not good for anything. We have good reception wherever in Sweden so the internet thing is working great. Cheapest cell plan with best data plan got my cost down.

Anyways, my complaint on Lumia 800 is as follow:

• Bad camera

• Bad battery

• Bad audio

Got lucky with a working Omnia 7 and while the hardware is performing top notch in games etc on Lumia, My Omnia delivers same, or equal performance on listed 3 problems....and Omnia 7 is past a year old WP.
[Nokia Lumia 800] arkedk:
Anyone else get mic problems, where the mic volume is insanely low?
[Nokia Lumia 800] xsacha:
Can anyone seriously suggest there's anything faster or easier than a Bluetooth transfer? To someone standing right next to you?

Everyone in my country uses bluetooth to send images/small files/contacts.

Any other method is just convoluted and the person will likely walk away from you before you do it.

A lot of old people still have dumbphones where the only transfer method is Bluetooth.

People you don't know (who asked for a picture taken of them) don't exactly want to give you a email to send it to.

Sending an email or a facebook message actually takes much longer than just clicking Share->Bluetooth in Gallery. Even if you consider it fast on your phone, you have to consider how long it will take for the other person to find it.

There's also the problem with data speed. I happen to be on the fastest network in the country where I can upload/download files quite quickly. Others go for the cheap network where it could take 10 minutes to download an image. Bluetooth is still much faster and more reliable in every way.

You're also guaranteed that they have Bluetooth.

With Bluetooth 3.0+HS, the transfer speeds are even faster than the maximum HSPA+ transfer speeds as well. Not only this, but in a bluetooth transfer you are simultaneously sending and receiving whereas an email has to be sent before it can be received.

If you want to send a video to someone standing next to you, it's still absolutely insane to send it over your 3G connection rather than Bluetooth 3 or wifi.
[Nokia Lumia 800] apollo15rover:
Not trying to cheapshot you here, but WP7 does impose certain limitations.

My peeve is the camera firmware - shame on Nokia for putting in a kickass lens, then rushing out horrid firmware that makes the cheapy HTC HD7 much superior in comparison! So much for Nokia flaw on the camera.

The lack of HDR on the other hand is 100% WP7 issue: On iOS and Android, some companies have made TRUE HDR functions where the camera actually shoots 3 photos instantly all at different exposures, then combines into one file. (Sorry but HDR edits are a joke) . Fhotoroom is a WP7 phone app - they emailed me that they are 100% committed to providing real HDR function - but again, WP7 itself restricts the extent to which the camera can be manipulated. So while they are making the attempt, they told me that this might have to wait for Apollo. So this latter issue has nothing to do with HTC, Samsung or Nokia, but 100% with the OS.

As far as Bluetooth, WP7 is at fault for the OS preventing file transfer as several here have already mentioned; on the other hand Nokia is at fault for Bluetooth continually connecting/disconnecting my earpiece! Sorry, HD7 cheepo phone wins on this issue as well :(

Still a great phone.
[Nokia Lumia 800] aynshtayn:
Here are my thoughts about Lumia 800 except mentioned above:

1. It doesn't have underscore (_) symbol in it's keyboard, which is why I can't log in to my Facebook. N8 used to have at '@' in main keyboard not in second page which was handy in many cases.

2. I can't know the speed, size of data that I downloaded from the network/wifi which I used to check in Symbian every time something went wrong.

3. No task manager option to kill or to switch to task.

4. It fails to login to my yahoo account.

5. Even I have downloaded my country map, it uses it only in nokia drive, in Nokia map it needs internet to download current location everytime. It used to be show in symbian.

6. Doesn't remember my last night set alarm time.

7. Can't browse other month's in calendar-month view?

8. While typing sms/chat the last line of text visible only in such fairly big screen, which is annoying. To see what u have typed before, you have to close keyboard and scroll up.

If I get fixed my N8 I will sell this lumia even it's fast and has better browser. It fails in simple functionality that I used to do in n8.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
1. Of course it has the underscore. Press the &123 and then the -> just above it to get the second list of special characters. The underscore is the 3rd key to the left of the delete key. Where the @ appears on the keyboard depends on what the text field requires. Generally speaking, fields requiring email addresses have both @ and .com on the main keyboard. This is the case for native WP7 apps/entries, but not necessarily true for any other app out there. It's been hit and miss.

3. Task killing isn't necessary. When you switch out of an app it dehydrates (though I don't know what that fully means). It's no longer a running app until you resume it. You can see the apps/screens you have open by long pressing the back button and swiping through the list.

4. My yahoo account logs in just fine. Hmmm...

7. The Calendar app, being very sup-par if you ask me, allows you to change months in the month view by flicking up/down.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Bora777:
I think the biggest problem I have with my lovely Lumia 800 and WP7 in general is the way it handles outgoing e-mail attachments.

1) Within the e-mail composer, you can only attach pictures.

2) From the Office hub, you can only attach one document to an e-mail.

3) As far as I know (and this is the worst part) it is impossible to share a PDF file in any way, e-mail or otherwise. Windows Phone's PDF file management is so limited that you can only download and read what people send you or what is in your SkyDrive. That's it.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Nakazul:
"Can anyone seriously suggest there's anything faster or easier than a Bluetooth transfer? To someone standing right next to you?"

A picture yes...

A contact no...

A music file no...

A Office doc somewhat...

Messenger is great and easy for pictures, better then BT, but of cause the recover needs messenger also, but then many have that..

Basicly, as I said before. No modern smartphone uses the old ways of BT, so if your life is depending on it, stick with old Nokia phones cuz a lot of models stoped using it long ago. It's not Nokias, Microsoft or any other manufacturers fault. The technology stood still in development for many years and was made obsolete therefore. Its only gadget support nowadays. I used BT transfers back in the days, but I found it unstable and slow and hope for a better solution which is underway.

Now, being a disappointment or not, its not Lumia 800 fault and we will never see it come back so plz lets stay on topic for real issues with the phone. I say this with best intentions.

About low in call volume I say yes, its sometimes low but not always. The noice cancellation seems great at first and the intentions is good. Quality is amazing, but it seems that the threshold for cancellation is a bit to hard, making some calls low.

One situation where the great audio quality shows off in a posetive way is if someone is using a lumia placed I front of them with speaker mode on. Quality is so good I didn't notice my friend was on speaker. But if he moves around in the room, the cancellation kicks in super hard making volume very low. Any one that can confirm my suspicion/ experience?
[Nokia Lumia 800] whitealien:
Half of the flaws listed here are related to user incomprehension of how things work (when 16Gb is advertised does not mean you get 16Gb. It applies to all manufacturers, also Apple, so when you buy 32Gb iPhone4s you will get some 28Gb user space, ahh yeah, and you don't know how to add favorites? Seriously?). The other half is related to software, which is ruled by Microsoft and there is nothing to do with Nokia. Microsoft applies very strict software and hardware limitations to their platform which everyone have to respect. If you want openness go with Android.

There are only 3 real flaws with this Nokia "flagship" phone:

Poor camera auto focus (part of it can be fixed by changing mode from Macro to Normal)

Totally screwed power management - after 3 updates they still can't make it work properly

Extremely poor audio output through 3.5mm jack - the sound is completely flat with no bass and very loud middles. They still have not acknowledged it officially Lumia 800 disastrous audio quality

Now the software is not perfect (like single audio volume for notifications, alarms and media), Microsoft is still learning, but Mango was already a great improvement over their first child and Apollo 8 will bring more.

About BT transfer.

When you buy a MS phone you play in MS sandbox. That means no matter what - live account create you will, install Zune you will, use Skydrive you will and use Office 2007 you will (because older office formats are read-only). And so that is with anyone, with Google you are forced to create Google account, use Google docs, Picassa etc and with Apple it's iTunes, iCloud and so on. So saying that you don't know how to use Skydrive, but buying this phone, makes you kinda laame.

Old technology is naturally replaced by new. That's why we don't see anymore diskette drives in new PCs. If all your friends are still in stone age and exchange data with diskettes (or BT), maybe it was wrong choice by opting latest technology device.
[Nokia Lumia 800] yeoldgreat1:
That would be 3 then :p

I would assume all of these issues are software related so they shold be easily fixed with an update. If the 900/910 comes out with none of these flaws then I would be tempted to upgrade.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
They are parallel techonogies and they can't replace each other, is that so hard to comprehend?

I can still send and receive files via blueooth both with Iphone (with some tweaks and apps) and with Google android phones (they are bt ready out of box) despite they having Itunes, Icloud etc etc, too so why do you even bring this here? I have anternative with those, and they dodn't think that Bluetooth is "old technology" and offer me alternative.

You probably don't know that Nokia is (was) about "connectiong people", now obviously, they are disconnecting people.

May be you should learn to read and comprehend? There is nothing easier to send file to person standing next to me than Bluetooth, and it's free and faster, and Facebook and Zune is not alternative to it.

And what is this crap about "Old technology"? Bluetooth 3.0 hS or even 4.0 is very much modern and for your information, unlike Nokia, competation offers it. New tech makes it simpler to do certain thing, do you see that there is no logic in you post? All you do is advocating Nokia, naming good tech as "old technology" is advacting Nokia in ridiculous way.

It's amazing, why would you downplay such obvious drawback?
[Nokia Lumia 800] imrazor:
I truly do not understand this statement. In order to transfer a file, don't you have to pair with the other user? I've always found pairing to be a awkward, frustrating process that's quite frankly a pain in the butt. Even if Facebook/Google/Flickr/Skydrive/whatever is slower, I'd rather miss out on that kind of fun.

There's a Lumia 710 (the 800's poor cousin) on the way to my doorstep. I'll probably have most of these problems, plus maybe a few more thanks to the lower cost/quality. If I don't like the phone, I'll probably send it back for an HTC Radar. If I don't like the OS, it's back to Android...
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
Your phone doesn't have to be paired with other devices just to send/receive file. Well, at least i just tried it on two Nokia devices and a laptop, no pairing required.

Still, pairing is very simple and only one time procedure, i usually enter some random onedigit code, on both devices, what's so hard to enter "1" on both phones just once? You talk like pairing is needed all the time. If it's needed, it's only onetime procedure.

FB and Flickrs and etc is much slower and usually is not free (data charges if no wifi). Why would you even compare them with BT? They serve different purposes.
[Nokia Lumia 800] imrazor:
Last time I tried to send a file via Bluetooth (and it's been a while), I did have to pair the device. Maybe I did it wrong.

Personally, I dual boot operating systems on my laptop and I flash ROMs onto my current phone (a HTC HD2) on a pretty regular basis. Rebooting into another OS on a PC guarantees you'll need a new pairing for the new OS, which will clobber the pairing with your old OS. Flashing a new ROM...well, it's all gone when you do that. Granted, I'm not a typical user, but it remains a royal pain for me.

Most devices that I've paired these days demand a 6 - 8 digit pairing code and only give a few seconds to enter it on a tiny keyboard. As I understand it, it is very insecure to pair with a one digit code because the connection can be easily hijacked. (Never tried it myself.) You also need to know what device name to pair with, which can be confusing in a crowded environment. The only time I use Bluetooth is the rare occasion I want to tether my laptop and I don't have a USB cable. Depending on the devices involved and the BT stack on the laptop, sometimes you need to initiate the network connection from the laptop, sometimes the phone. It's hard to know which without some trial and error, or reading the fine print in the manual.

I guess it partially depends on how widely you want to distribute your photo/video/whatever. Facebook or Flickr will get it to all your friends in one blast, even if it takes a while to upload. Sending it via BT just gets it to one person at a time.

Maybe you feel this way because cellular data is too expensive/slow where you live? Do you have a 3G or 4G connection on your phone?

EDIT: One other thing...most phones I've owned here in the US have had BT file transfer disabled by the carrier. Maybe that's why it never caught on here.
[Nokia Lumia 800] whitealien:
If you don't need to pair devices then go into crowdy place, find devices with BT on and starting sending naked tits pics to them. Report results ...
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
I don't know why you keep missing the point.

BT is for sharing, not distibution. I just showed some party pics on my phone to my friend, and he wants some pic he liked, or i just took good pic of my daugther, and wife wants it too, this is what BT is for, and i don't want to put it on Flcr of Facebook or email it to her. It's fast, free and very effective, and neither Facebook, nor Flcr can replace it.

I never heard of required 6-8 digit bluetooth pairing code. At least there is no on Nokia devices. I think you're confusing it with something else. And how could one highjack bluetooth connection? And for what? Bluetooth is local conection and its range is pretty limited, it ain't wifi.

And it's bluetooth pairing, which is local, so there is nothing insecure about it, person who you're pairing with is right in front of you and you both see whole process.

Maybe you're confusing with wi-fi codes, etc etc i don't know.
[Nokia Lumia 800] imrazor:
It is indeed possible to 'bluejack' a phone, as well as other things. For your reading pleasure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluejacking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesnarfing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluebugging

My understanding is that trivial bluetooth PINs make these hacks much easier, though I'm certainly not an expert on the subject.

As for sharing pictures with individuals, that's what I use email for. If I want to 'share' it with someone within arm's length, I call it up on the screen and show it to them. If they want a permanent record, again, I email it. Email is fast and free for me, as long as I don't hit my 5GB/month limit.

EDIT: Here's a discussion of sending files to/from a Windows 7 PC. Note that Windows chooses a long PIN that must be entered on the phone before files can be transferred...

http://www.7tutorials.com/transfer-files-between-devices-your-windows-7-pc-bluetooth
[Nokia Lumia 800] 1orka:
You are making up this little to not possible situations just to prove how Lumia good is?

That person has to be within 10 mtrs range and has to have special equipment, honestly, why even bring up this impossible in real life situation? You have much more chances of getting your email or your computer hijacked. OTOT no one is forcing you to pair those devices in public, like i said, you can send and receive files w/o pairing.

Not all individuals use email on their phones, also many still have older phones, also many don't want to spend money on data charges. There is no replacement for bluetooth, no matter how you spin it.

Not to mention using email requires going online and uploading your file, and other person has togo online too and download it, it takes much more time not to mention, it may require additional charges.

With BT you transfer it free and instantly and btw, because it consumes less energy, it saves your battery too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5JJ_teDNbE