yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] tomanlam:
whats working and not working on Shooter 3.0.0

after flashing Virtuous Shooter 3.0.0:D

- no call drop as usual (i never had calldrops on whatever version/sense 4 roms)

- WORKING battery indicator finally!!!!!

- working 2D-AND-3D camera

- working stereo sound on headphones

- working DATA out of box (RC1 requires manual APN information input)
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
3D camera and gallery works fine here.
[HTC EVO 3D] B1nny:
3D camera works fine here, also exiting 3D mode works fine.

Also, for the people having problems with getting superSU to work, flash this.
[HTC EVO 3D] tomanlam:
will "firmware" flashing shows a "successful" message, coz on mine, it just says "parsing..." and then went back to bootloader screen:confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
I did not flash the firmware as suggested cause I'm worried I cannot go back to stock HTC rom in case I need to send it back for repair.
[HTC EVO 3D] tomanlam:
might be the "hardware revision" problem again...i hv a RED FRAME evo 3d

p.s. i have WiFi error, even after i flashed boot.img through fastboot
[HTC EVO 3D] B1nny:
Red frame = CDMA...
[HTC EVO 3D] tomanlam:
sorry guys, my problem, i flashed the old quattro boot.img,:o

NOW everything works!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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no, i have a red frame evo 3d and it's GSM, and everything works here now=];)
[HTC EVO 3D] metamasterplay:
firmware mirror:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5jjhs4md6s9qd4/PG86IMG.zip
[HTC EVO 3D] Tones1971:
I cant download. Really need a mirror
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Shutdown doesn't work. It just sort of put it in standby mode. I wonder if I missed a setting in there or it's a bug. No biggie though I just use fast boot app.
[HTC EVO 3D] B1nny:
It's HTC's fastboot :p it puts your phone in some sort of hibernation mode, which makes the 'boottime' superquick. You can turn it off in your settings:

settings -> power -> "fast boot"
[HTC EVO 3D] 00mpollard:
Installed, everything works perfectly including 3D

Thanks :D

Gonna try my nandroid backup of leedroid, obviously there is a new radio so im going to double check compatability with older roms incase people want to revert back.
[HTC EVO 3D] DelBoy:
Simple question, after flashing this, how to get back to Gingerbread(Leedroid, romeos). Just flash them?
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Yes.
[HTC EVO 3D] 00mpollard:
Right guys after flashing.

HBOOT-1.49.1107

RADIO-11.23.3504.09_M2

OpenDSP-v0.2.6.0.2226.00.0202

Jul 12 2011 15:29:51

If that helps anyone.

I'm still S-Off too.
[HTC EVO 3D] zookarma:
And what about NEW Radio and GB roms = conflict ?
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Does anybody tried other kernels yet? There's not much to tweak in the included kernel to save juice. Don't have much time now to tinker as getting ready to leave for work :(

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That I don't know as I didn't flash the radio for warranty purposes.
[HTC EVO 3D] tobia996:
I've problem with Apn! I've just reinserted it manually. Any idea ? May ne the Radio ?
[HTC EVO 3D] tomanlam:
Very minor bug

graphic glitch in chrome browser, u can reproduce the bug by long pressing on a picture and then try to save it, sometimes typing in landscape mode gives the glitch too!

Not so much of a big deal:))
[HTC EVO 3D] adya_2505:
Guys i have hboot 1.49.009 s-on currently running leedroid .. how should i flash this rom?? Will i be able to flash new firmware even though i am s-on???
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Can anyone mirror it? it seems like the servers of virtuoousteam are down

(cloudflare info on my server only shows up if it's maintained or down)
[HTC EVO 3D] bimboy56:
Im getting confused, this thread will become the official Virtuous Shooter v.3.0.0 [3.08.401.1][Kernel: HTC] SENSE 3.6 Right from rootzwiki right? I mean - Virtuous Shooter == Virtuous Quattro != Virtuous S4V/Virtuous Eclipse? :D
[HTC EVO 3D] :
me too... why not make a thread for all virtuous team releases...where the infos are on the let's say... first 4-5 posts?
[HTC EVO 3D] DelBoy:
Have you tried?
[HTC EVO 3D] 00mpollard:
I'm restoring my nandroid as we speak, i will report back in a few minutes :)

*edit*

Nandroid works perfectly :D
[HTC EVO 3D] jekyll86:
new radio works on mikrunny 1.13
[HTC EVO 3D] 00mpollard:
Also works on LeeDroid :D
[HTC EVO 3D] mag-nrw:
I can confirm, after using patch (drop fix) from shooter ice rom,

no more call drops :)
[HTC EVO 3D] :
it wont boot up... FLASHED FIRMWARE PACKAGE; and then ROM 4ext touch rc3...

i'm s-OFF and Using 4EXT touch recovery rc3...

anyone can help me? what am i doing wrong?
[HTC EVO 3D] Ajthescot:
I used 4ext and all is well, did you run the pg816img.zip then the rom.

For what it's worth I ran them without wiping from last version.
[HTC EVO 3D] meangreenie:
maybe here's an explanation for the really bad 'quadrant' performance

in the system info part of quadrant with both new and old version it states the device as only having 1 core ???
[HTC EVO 3D] :
thanks.... wiped dalvik @ cache... and upfgraded 4ext : now it works :)

thx anyway :)

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Now, we got a big problem:

only 1 cpu is online all the time...

Download system tuner and look yourself!
[HTC EVO 3D] soliditalstud:
If my screen is off more than a minute. It will not wake up at al have to do a battery pull. Anyone having same issues? Any fix ?
[HTC EVO 3D] jekyll86:
in system tuner my cpu works fine
[HTC EVO 3D] ace9988:
Does 3d camera and 3d actually work? Ive wiped and flashed this twice and neither

Beamed from my touchpad
[HTC EVO 3D] jekyll86:
download this one

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1635157
[HTC EVO 3D] 00mpollard:
ROM has been updated to v3.0.1

http://files.virtuousrom.com/shooteru/Virtuous_Shooter_v.3.0.1.zip

v.3.0.1:

- Added proper SU

- Updated graphics libs from CDMA rom

- Removed htc crapware

- Removed htc spyware

- Smooth Rosie

- Updated gapps

- Other tweaks and cleanups
[HTC EVO 3D] meangreenie:
hmm i already changed the gpu drivers to the cdma ones myself, seem the same but work better when 'force gpu in apps' is unchecked
[HTC EVO 3D] beafraid88:
link is down :S

another link?
[HTC EVO 3D] alahkel:
Guys what about an extended quick-settings mod for VS 3.0.x?
[HTC EVO 3D] ossi009:
I just have to say that the kernel in the 3.0.0 version gave me the best battery life so long! I've ever had so good battery life before! Keep it up mdj!

How's the 3.0.1 version guys? Worth to upgrade?
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
I think the kernel is from HTC and not from devs here. That's promising though in the way that devs can further enhance or improve upon it.
[HTC EVO 3D] ossi009:
Yes I see now, it's the stock kernel. But honestly talked, all dev kernels I've used for the GINGERBREAD sence have never gave me so good battery life as this one on ICS.

What about the new update, have you tried it yet?
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Yes I also am surprised that it gives good battery life than the one from eclipse. Still anthrax kernel on gingerbread gave me the best battery life.

No I haven't tried the updated one yet as the log shows there's only minimal change plus 3d games were removed.
[HTC EVO 3D] iHusky:
I actually using a last version Leedroid ROM with kernel, can I flash this this ROM (after full wipe) without concerns that I brck my phone when I try flash ROM and kernel?
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Yes, it won't brick your phone. Data, cache and dalvik wipe before installing.
[HTC EVO 3D] iHusky:
Thanks for fast anserw, but It`s sadlly that usb storage don`t work I need this function
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Are you talking about Beta 4 or the Ice Cream Sandwich?
[HTC EVO 3D] iHusky:
Yes, but in first post is wrote that usb storage don`t work or I have inncorect information?

and I don`t have required version of radio.
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
That's old info that hasn't been updated. Get the latest here and flash through recovery. You don't even need to flash the radio unless you encounter a problem like dropped calls, wifi not working or bad signal reception.

Everything works in this release even 3D camera.
[HTC EVO 3D] Spacket:
MDJ pls dimm the sofkey buttons
[HTC EVO 3D] shirioko:
I just discovered a bug:

After setting up my exchange account, I cannot send or receive mail until I've set a security policy (PIN or password). So far so good.

When I try to set a PIN or password, it won't let me continue after I've entered my pin or password for the first time, and the only option I have is to "go back" without setting the security policy :(

EDIT

another bug, already mentioned in Ganii's topic:

When phone is powered on while plugged in, it won't charge until you've unplugged it and plugged it back in
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
i can't get all link, it take me 22h to complete download :(
[HTC EVO 3D] :
do you plan to enable overclocking? ( 1.5ghz)?
[HTC EVO 3D] duyluandethuong:
A bit laggy on my EVO 3D. But the graphics is good.

Bugs: open browser and the brightness changes like disco. I think some fix from the Sensation forums can help us. I have to leave now so I cant try it. Somebody please use this link and report it to everyone here. Thank you. I will test it as soon as I get home. I think it also works with other problems listed in my provided link.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1405457
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
A bit of a long shot, but could the camera be fixed by kernel or amaze cam patch, or does it need implementation into the rom first ? I'm still waiting for the download,
[HTC EVO 3D] Moonbloom:
I've installed the rom via BootManager, and the install went fine.

When i try and boot into the rom, it shows the splash screen, does a vibrate, and then simply goes into recovery menu.

If i choose reboot system from recovery, it goes into a constant bootloop, just showing splash screen and then rebooting.

I can see others installing it fine the "normal" way, and i've also installed Ganii's AOSP ICS just fine in BootManager, so something's wrong.
[HTC EVO 3D] :
htc sync is not included / available
[HTC EVO 3D] Flashmaniac:
of which you can be more than just happy :)
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
I'm eagerly awaiting a phone call, so I can flash this bad boy..............

Hurry up and ring me "budd"
[HTC EVO 3D] tobsel88:
This Rom doesnt work on my phone

( booting for a long long time)

HTC Evo 3D GSM S-ON

Is it important to have S-Off?

I flashed the boot.img manually by cmd
[HTC EVO 3D] dlads:
Good to see you on this m-deejay, good luck getting this one going.

Happy days. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
OK guys, flashing now, give me 20 mins to confirm boot, I'm using only my phone
[HTC EVO 3D] Jiggs82:
Ahhhhh, so this is why he hasnt updated the virtuous quattro rom for the sensation? He has a evo 3d phone now:( lol
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
I'm back......gonna edit now, I'm using this Rom

Ok guys n gals, hmmmm , maybe ? I'm not sexist, anyway

23 Mins from posting my last post I did these steps,

1, moved all my go sms,keyboard,launcher backups , dcim folder, download folder, titanium folder (you may want/have more personal only folders) to a new folder (on root directory) using efile ,

2, I then enabled hidden folders , and deleted all folders except my designated folder in step 1

3,reboot into recovery (i used clockwork mod 5.0.8.1 touch)

4,wipe cache partition, wipe dalvik cache, wipe data/cache (factory reset)

5,flash the Rom from folder mentioned in step 1, wait.......

6,flash no call drop patch (as above)

7,wipe dalvik cache, and cache. (some may say this is optional, but old habits and all that)

8, reboot.

Voila 3-4 mins virtuous logo boot animation , then capactive lights turn on , and "da da"

Bugs, so far.......wrote this straight away,

Charging needs unplugging and re plugging (as mentioned earlier) , brightness has an issue when page switching,(not a major isssue) (as mentioned earlier) , also seems a little slow but I'm used to the set up below lol, hope that's a help. Now let the playing and modging begin
[HTC EVO 3D] sallam5010:
wifi is working but i cant see my router !! :( plz help i cant use it as DD without wifi !!
[HTC EVO 3D] tobsel88:
Now it works perfektly. I just forget to clean the cache.

Very well done!
[HTC EVO 3D] fkofilee:
hmmm ive had a thought.... Existing Wifi and Cam fixes might work as normal...

although its android 4.0 and the fixes are based on GB Version 2.3.x i believe there is enough common ground to make it work... Am testing the cam. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] sallam5010:
so am i goin to have wifi working or no :( :confused: :confused: :(
[HTC EVO 3D] habitat22:
running it since 3 hours and runs very smooth and the most things are working.but i need the camera for using it as a dd

found a few bugs, maybe they are reported:

-when opening browser the display light turns to 100% and when touching the

screen it tourns back to normal setting

-Vibration of the softkeys sometimes stops working -> data drops, when data is

working again the vibration works again.

-Data drops sometimes
[HTC EVO 3D] janypocket:
i want it!!

I can´t download this rom.Please refresh the download link. I want it very bad:)
[HTC EVO 3D] crimmylol:
How can i delete icons from the desktop? it's not moving.

upd. OK it's already working. I don't know what's going on))
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Drag up to the top right corner

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Ics kicks ass visually,the new task manager is awesome and I'm loving the develop option in settings

Just saying lol,
[HTC EVO 3D] hansoho:
how long does the first bootup take? I've been waiting for 15 minutes now, still stuck at V logo.
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Try again, go back a page in this thread and follow my step BY step guide see if that helps
[HTC EVO 3D] _Lips_:
first load about 5 min. all great thanks you =)

work table/contakts will be without rotate? in car it wery useful :D

% on the batery?
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Another bug is mirror, bit I'm assuming that's camera related anyway but, it does open up without image, where as camera just closes straight away
[HTC EVO 3D] Ganii:
Has to do with ril libs,specally with "libhtc_ril.so".
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Amaze cam v.11 doesn't work
[HTC EVO 3D] janypocket:
funny bug

i found a bug: The system doesn`t see my root)))
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Try updating su , or if its titanium back up, try reinstalling

I have root but, titanium says restore complete but none of my apps are restored , even after a reeboot , hmmmmmmm I'm gonna try re downloading my apps and restoring data
[HTC EVO 3D] warrio:
Got the same here. Fixed redownloading titanium backup
[HTC EVO 3D] ea3aitjr:
I've installed via bootmanager with no problems. Once its booted, started configuration and some of the bus related are the same, like brightness, proximity etc, I have seen the weather widget don t shows the degrees or the location.

I could nt connect wifi. Says error.

Retrying....

Good job. It w¡ll be fine soon..
[HTC EVO 3D] jamesclinton:
Sorry mate,pls where did u get clockwork mod 5.0.8.1 touch for evo 3d gsm?

edit: is it fully working?

thanks in adv
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Google clockwork mod recovery , and go to their official website and download it as a .img file , then install flash image GUI .apk u will find that free doing a search tagging xdatoo, then install it in flash image GUI app. Very easy , s-off or s-on, you could always fastboot IMG with adb

It's fully working and f..k..g awesome lol, but it doesnt charge with phone in recovery, ain't tried powered off, il try now and report,

definetly not ,powered off either.......

Another bug for this Rom. It doesn't power off, just disables all data and lockscreen turning screen off
[HTC EVO 3D] jamesclinton:
Thanks mate, found it abt to try it now :D:D

edit:V 5.8.0.2 is out
[HTC EVO 3D] ea3aitjr:
Its fully working. tested.:D

But, yes, it seems to not charge when your still in recovery...
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Thanks, I'm , about to be on it , like a ,car bonnet

5 0.8.2 is still not charging when powered off or in recovery
[HTC EVO 3D] Leonardo Teles:
m-deejay,

dont forget the sensation users :D

how is the alpha4 going ?

thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] jamesclinton:
yeah is very cool :D:D

now let the flashing bigin, now am about to give this lovely baby a spin :):)
[HTC EVO 3D] assi010:
About the bug you are talking about, Are you sure you turned off htc's fastboot option at the energy settings?
[HTC EVO 3D] twistedvegan:
this looks amazing, thought it would be months before we got ics on the evo.

can anyone tell me if GPS works please?

if it does this will be my dd

ability to play 3rd party 3d movies would be good too
[HTC EVO 3D] jamesclinton:
GPS Working for me :D:D

edit: sygic and navigon working very fine here :)
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Yes, always unchecked on my phone

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+1 GPS, works, and in my opinion, fast
[HTC EVO 3D] jamesclinton:
pls i´ve notice something abt the recovery, aft flasing via adb sucesfully then flash this rom,anytime i reboot to recovery it always return to the version cwm-4.0.1.4,do u have any idea what could be the cause?:confused::confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] phikal:
Last time I tried a Rom from m-deejay was on hd2, great to be able to try again on Evo 3d.

On Hd2 m-deejay was famous for speed.
[HTC EVO 3D] mana88:
i have call drops with proximity sensor even with the addon / fix .. maybe i do something wrong i don't get it anyone else has this problems?
[HTC EVO 3D] diamondhd:
tnx, i Wait 4 Complete ver from ISC for evo 3d
[HTC EVO 3D] raman21raman:
File Transfer Trick

We can transfer files using "WIFI FILE TRANSFER"

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smarterdroid.wififiletransferpro

it works 100% perfect...

really ultimate rom :)
[HTC EVO 3D] jcsy:
LONG LIVE HD2 :D

he was also a master of SENSE builds, always leading the curve for anything related to SENSE (not saying he didnt touch the others like AOSP, MIUI, CM etc) but SENSE is his playing field :D

magnificient work as usual :)

as long as Camera works, or when camera works, I will use ICS :)

great 2 have MDJ around this corner

for USB file system mount, can use Dual Mount SD (requires root) and select Charge Only

always worked for me regardless of ROM or kernel :D
[HTC EVO 3D] hansoho:
This Rom is sluggish.. has to wait for the keyboard to catch up with my typing. Slow to respond to key presses etc.
[HTC EVO 3D] |=>AmuzZ<=|:
is the camera totally not working or is it jus the 3D not working
[HTC EVO 3D] paroys:
camera and camcorder mate, 3D confirm not work on this rom yet..
[HTC EVO 3D] VladBelsky:
Thanks a ton mdj! 3D does not work but 3D photos show up in gallery, while they don't on AOSP so I believe that 3D working on this ROM isn't too far away compared to AOSP.
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
can u get me another link ?? , multiupload , esle...
[HTC EVO 3D] jono0402:
Data and call drop solution

I found that installing the fix after id already set up the phone worked to fix my call drops but it also killed the data connection.

SO i reflashed the entire rom again whilst installing the fix when still in recovery and then booting the phone. Calls dont drop out now and data is working. Hope this works for anyone else with issues :)
[HTC EVO 3D] dexteral:
Awesome work :) just the problem as mentioned in previous posts. Super smoothe ...

Problems I noticed

Brightness goes up and down when browsing internet

When typing this post in the browser alignment was a bit off. Usually the screen would move exactly with the typing

also the dictionary doesn't auto correct sometimes

When I hide the keyboard After pressing enter black screen shows up on half screen

I hope I explained the bugs ..

After patch the calls didn't drop

Excellent work !!!! Lookin forward .....
[HTC EVO 3D] areestocrat:
the rom is great. but to be honest i kinda expected "more" from a sense 3.6 especially combined with ics. from what i see so far, there's not too many differences between sense 3.0 to sense 3.6. i prefer Gani's ICS rom launcher actually rather than sense 3.6 especially in terms of interface. but the positive part is that this rom is quite stable apart from the WIP camera and 3d (not too important for my daily use anyway).

one question how do i turn off auto correct in ics? i'm not a fan of auto correct but i couldn't find the way to turn it off..
[HTC EVO 3D] dexteral:
automatic restoration of all market apps complete .. no apparent bug noticed :D

just noticed that i have wifi policy as never sleep and yet it sleeps after 15 minutes or so when display is turned off .. dont really know the exact time.

battery life well i charged it 100% at 12.00 pm local time and now its 2.43 pm (2hrs 43 min) percentage decline 80% ... with wifi on
[HTC EVO 3D] Admeisterz:
Anyone got a MD5 Checksum of this please? Not sure if my download completely finished and want to be safe?

Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] HJ200:
Hey, m-deejay is still alive!

I've used a lot of HD2 ROM's from m-deejay, so looking forward to try out this one!

At least, when FileFactory has some download slots available...
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
BETA2:

- New base 3.25.401.101 Sensation XE RUU

- Default CPU speed 192 - 1512Mhz @ Ondemand

- Fixed call drops

- Fixed lightsensor bug in browser

- Other minor fixes & tweaks
[HTC EVO 3D] shirioko:
nice :D downloading right now!

(gotta install Firefox first, because stock Android browse fails to download files properly :o)
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
Can it be flashed on top or needs full wipe?

Thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] nikosblade:
Aweseme work m-deejay!

Seems Virus fixed 2d-3d camera in eternty rom on 3.5 sense port, dunno if u can use something from him although i can realise that his rom is 2.3.4 while yours is ics. Thnx for rom and your hard work once again!
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
added quicksettings mod by chrisch1974 to second post
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
you can flash without wipe
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
we doesnt have new ics camera libs for evo3d :(
[HTC EVO 3D] Flashmaniac:
you know snq? he can patch the libs. He is the master in the point of repairing a none-working camera.
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
nope :( dunno this guy personally
[HTC EVO 3D] Flashmaniac:
hm I wish I knew him...

sadly he left xda long ago...
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
i can get root permission with this ROM :( , so far i hope camera fix:D
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
su works fine here...
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
so, this problem can be fix ?? , i dont lie :(
[HTC EVO 3D] Moonbloom:
I can't get SU working either.

I've succesfully installed it by BootManager, booted up fine, but whenever i try and open a root program, it just gets denied access instantly.

I've tried fiddling with SuperUser, setting it to allow all programs without asking, disabling log system, etc.

I've tried completely re-installing the ROM, to no use either.

(That was with Beta1), i have not tried Beta2 yet.
[HTC EVO 3D] metamasterplay:
Any chance to include advanced power menu?
[HTC EVO 3D] mdeejay:
yes. today later i think as mod
[HTC EVO 3D] hey_joe:
su works fine with mine on beta v.1.

haven't tried the one on v. 2 as it's still installing.
[HTC EVO 3D] mana88:
nice !! :) my call drops are gone ! but the advanced quick settings addon doesnt work for me. my taskbar disappears :> but thanks for this great work!
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Did yoy try re wiping caches before installing the add on, I'm gonna try v2 now just downloaded
[HTC EVO 3D] mana88:
i totaly wiped my device then i installed v2 and after that quick settings mod. then i made a complete boot should i do something else?
[HTC EVO 3D] Eastern89:
I got it installed with no problems , and it works fine actually , however when i recive a call or making a call , it drops the signal and looses the call . i tryed another ics rom for the gsm version of evo here from xda aswell , had same problem..

Evo 3d GSM Revolutionary S-OFF ..
[HTC EVO 3D] binh_hdda:
Titanium backup is not work in this ROM !!
[HTC EVO 3D] blackie100:
Reinstall and it should work