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[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
I have trouble understanding that if there is any relation between "delaying an update" and "better quality update".

We've seen plenty of examples that a delayed update does not mean better quality update from mobile phone industry.

So let's put this mentality aside.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Sorry but I disagree.

There are know issues with ICS on the TF and I would much prefer having a release that did not brick my TF upon installation ( as did some of the early updates on several tablets).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
Read again what he wrote. Delaying an update often doesn't mean it will be better, it's just later.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Exactly what problems are you referring to? Their engineers had their hands on the ICS source way before the official release. They had the time to finetune it (heck, they could make a mostly stable release on a device what was made a lot later), nVidia supplied the source codes and everything, so it's that they want to push the sales of the newer tablets of theirs.

What most manufacturers won't get, that they won't loose new buyers with the release of the new OS to the old hardware. They'll win more, as people will see that they DO support their old devices, and they won't be left without updates if they buy something. And if someone wanted a quad-core tablet, ICS or not, this someone would have bought it already. ICS won't make no difference.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Thiesen:
I know when Asus is releasing ICS for the TF101... they will do it in the year 4638...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ericshmerick:
Go back and rethink your attempt at humor.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xceebeex:
Probably why it is still in the Beta stage :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You *hope* it's humor.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
I searched but I cant find the official date asus should have already posted?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
Again I guess you didn't read my post and fully understand what I was saying.

So I won't bother repeat myself here. Go read it again.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 2011CorvetteZR1:
Other manufactuers are able to pump out ICS for their products while we sit and wait. I hope that ASUS is smart enough to create the code, I believe they aer, so the delay, if ever, is their corporate decision and absolutely has to do with new sales and new customers. I have said it before that they already have our money and doing something for free has little return. Sure we might like them better and buy another ASUS product but that will never justify the effort. If ASUS would release certain pieces of source code then cyanogen would have something available for us in a jiffy.

The poll for when ICS will be released should have had additional options further out then February because I think it will be much later, and seriously don't expect it at all. I know this is not a popular view but as time goes by I expect to hear that that the TF101 reached end of life and support will not exists.

Where is their boot loader unlocker that they promised for the TF101? It isn't coming either but allowed some consumers to buy the remaining stock of TF101's and ASUS made their money again without having to do anything.

Hope for the best and expect the worst.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gizoman:
My sisters co-worker told her that there will be a "free ICS upgrade" available in a store where they sell this stuff. He told her that it will be free for tablets still in warranty.

He works as an IT specialist (not in the asus store), that is why its wierd.

So will there be an OTA, or will Asus charge for the upgrade? Wierd stuff i tell you.. :confused:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
I don't get where you are coming from, first Asus had confirmed that they are done with the update and have submitted it to Google for review, as long as Google doesn't say they need to change anything we will have it soon..

What other devices are being pumped ics? Motorola xoom and transformer prime, a handful of phones, and cm9 is probably covering more devices now than official ics updates from manufacturers. Nonetheless, it has been explained over and over that the prime has been having a very high percentage of devices get bricked while updating to ics ota, while other users are given the ota only to have the device say the update is incompatible with their device!

Only 1% of android devices have ics support right now, more people are still using froyo than are on ics, which barely came out 6 months ago and have only in the last couple months been pushed to devices. Asus is very good to us to even update this device as they have a new generation of eee pad devices in stores now, the only reason the tf101 is still selling is because the prime is so buggy. I say be patient, they are the hottest selling android tablet let year and if they want to be this year they have to keep people happy, the assumption that there is no profit margin in updating us is correct only if you aren't considering PR or marketing and expecting future sales to continue rising, which won't happen if they piss off their customers..

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It will be ota, and anyone charging you to update is a rip off artist..i think your sister or the it guy got some misleading information, you won't need help to update to ics unless you rooted your device and flashed a custom rom or recovery, in which case, who is going to need help?

Sounds like bs if you ask me:rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gizoman:
Now that is what i told my sister. Sisters co-worker was probably on some illegal substance :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtc42:
Wow, that is a very pessimistic view. The amount of times they've announced that the update is coming, if they suddenly did a U-turn there would be a MASSIVE backlash and it would cripple their popularity.

At the same time, releasing another buggy ICS update for one of their devices would have a similar effect.

Conclusion? We have to wait a bit for the update. I fail to see how anyone doesn't follow that.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 2011CorvetteZR1:
Only time will tell how this ends up.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kptnk:
tweeted 4 hours ago by Asus France :

@AsusFrance:Pour les possesseurs de la Transformer première du nom vous n''êtes pas oublié, la mise à jour vers Android 4.0 aura lieu fin février.

which means : for the owners of the first transformer, you've not been forgotten, the upgrade to ICS 4.0 will happen at the end of february.

so.....let's wait to see if this anounce is the correct one.....but meanwhile we're so lucky to have Paul Burton with us ;) !
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Hahahahahaha

Oh man. That's going to cause a riot (or the closest we get to those) in these forums.

As if people weren't impatient and fed up already. The last time people got told to wait another two weeks, we had a week-long whine-fest in here.

Another delay is sure to bring on some action. Hopefully they wont make Asus launch a rushed release like the prime. I've had enough of my TF101 being unreliable :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
The code is already written; they wrote it for the Prime, which has had the update for an entire month now. All they had to do was swap a few different drivers in, and do very minimal testing.

Those drivers, incidentally, don't come from Asus. They come from the component suppliers, and again, the key ones are already available -- the Xoom has had its ICS update for three weeks now, so we know that.

Would you like to buy this bridge?

Google already approved the code for the Prime. I really don't believe for one second that this delay has anything to do with Google reviewing it; it would be nonsensical for them to need to approve every minor variation from the base code. (It'd be easier for them to just do *all* the coding, were that the case.)

Surprise, surprise: Another two week delay. Didn't see that coming. Oh, wait, yes I did.

Wow, sales of the Prime must really be dragging...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Mercvtio:
Isn't France supposed to get the ICS update after the USA and Indonesia? If I remember correctly, these are the two first countries to get it, and that could still be mid february. The message from Asus France could very well be about France availability, or something like that.

There's still a bit of hope!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kptnk:
Qui sait ? :-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
I thought this too but it doesn't make sense. I know they stagger their launch dates but fifteen days? They said middle of the month, if that's the date for the U.S. I can't believe they'd stagger the launch by making France wait fifteen days. Maybe three days.

At this point it just sounds like they're finding any and every excuse to delay it for reasons unknown. They should just STFU and stop releasing statements about it since Asus is god awful at P.R. and every single "rep" speaks out of their ass and the result is fifty different official statements, each of which further infuriates the loyal fanbase. The same fanbase that has had their TF101 far earlier than the newbies that picked up the Prime which came out not even a year after the TF101.

But that's how Asus rewards loyalty. They release a new device in less than a year and they issue your updates last even though you were there first. If you think the TF201 isn't getting that same brand of love, just look at the TF700T announced right after the TF201. Oops.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
They can't use anything from the prime the prime code is exclusively for the prime, they otherwise would have already simply ported the prime ics over if that was the case, in fact none of the code from the prime is particularly useful, but you would know that if you read paul burton's ics dev thread..

cynicism gets you to nihilism..i prefer to attempt to be optimistic and take a company for their word and not think every word im told is a lie. What a crappy world that must be to live in..actually, i have lived there, i chose to voluntarily relocate.

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Middle of the month doesn't necessarily mean feb 14th and end of the month isn't necessarily the 28th ;)

A lot of future apple customers in this thread? Lmao you want them to stop releasing new products because you bought one, they can't move beyond your model in technology and development? Haha sorry that it's pretty funny.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
I'm aware of that. And since Asus makes unbelievably vague claims, neither of us are correct because we're both assuming. What's your point?

Where did I say that? When did I EVER state that they can't make a new model or move anywhere? I said they rewarded TF101 owners by dropping TF201 less than a year after TF101 was released. That doesn't equate to mandating that Asus not release a new model at all and stay with the TF101 forever.

My statement does however object to the rushed timeline. I have no problem with Asus moving anywhere, I don't complain about small **** like that. I'm saying they should have released it later,

not never

. You're the stupid one if you honestly thought I want them to stay with the TF101 forever just because I own one.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 2011CorvetteZR1:
ha - asus says ICS for transformer is at google for approvqal, asus says boot loader unloacker is coming soon, aasus says the delay is because of news year holidays, sus says mid february for ICS, now asus says end of the month for ICS. I am expecting them to next say that are having problems getting it to work on the transformer and then drag that on until there is no more support and they then tell everyone that it is not their fault. They have the code but they are not smart enough to get it working for us while others are getting it daily, doesn't this tell you something - they are either not smart enough or don't want to do it. What the heck? do they have one person working on it. everything is about money and they already got ours and that's it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Ligerblue:
not to be a buzzkill for the asus bashing but, id rather they settle all the issues with ICS before we get it. plus i also understand why ICS on TF101 isnt the top to do list for asus. im sure we all have heard the issues with the prime while us tf101 have a pretty stable tablet
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
The compiled code is of no use to him; the source code will be 99.9% identical between the TF101 and Prime.

If you think that Asus had two separate teams working on two separate builds, you're daft. One team will have created both builds simultaneously, swapping out a few vendor-supplied drivers here and there. Testing will have been done simultaneously, and whatever approval from Google will have been done in one whack, as well.

The TF101 release is waiting to be sure the Prime folks get first dibs. It may possibly be waiting longer than expected because they're ironing out all the bugs they missed in the Prime release, but don't believe for one second that they couldn't have launched both simultaneously if they wanted to.

It's certainly not waiting for the reasons they claim.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dreamboxuser:
How come the Prime gets a bootloader unlocker and we dont.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Because tf101 owners didn't ***** enough about it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtc42:
Looking through this thread, that's hard to believe.

Or are they all too busy *****ing about how ICS definitely isn't coming because they delayed it for a bit after releasing a buggy update for another device?

Seriously some of the posts on this thread are painful, its like a cross between mind blowing scepticism and paranoia, and just a little trolling to really get the point across.

ICS is on its way, be pacient, stop whining.

(This isn't aimed at josteink, or most members even, just the obvious ones who this is referring to)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
For those of you asking for Asus to rush a ICS release for your TF101, take a look at this thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/asustransfo...01_updated_to_94213_transformer_prime_is_now/

This is the second(?) rushed update to the TF201/Prime, and it's still just ... ****. The TF201 seems barely usable at this point.

Please don't ask Asus to do the same to my otherwise stable TF101.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
I would still like them to rush it. Let the modding community fix the issues :P
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Fl4v1en:
Err... You know, Asus Tech aren't really Happy when the French community manager says something.

Last time I got info from one of our Asus contact in France (for my work, and it was about the anounce for the Prime refunds in facebook, wifi and gps problems), he wanted to rip his head off.

Since when, I'm not giving him too much credits :/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Buckii:
I can wait, I have a good feeling that by the end of February they will push the best they can with little issues or one can hope, i feel bad for the prime user that got ICS and are dealing with heard issues, if Asus said mid Feb then look for it at the latest end of month which personally is perfectly manageable by me cause then i know i am gonna have a stable build, and even if issues occur they would probably be ever so minor and quick to fix...

So like many in the post state, sit tight and relax and breathe a little

It will be worth it in the end people...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stenc55:
It's not their job. It's their hobby. Asus folks are payed to do it. Let THEM do their job, and let them NOT f**c up my TF with oTA update. I want mine working.

And, by the way, I waited for GB for my SGT P1010 over 6 months. You people cant wait 14 days? Always rushing like this?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
As mentioned before, how well the update is, is not a function of how long it takes for the update to be released.

For all you know they could have finished the update two months ago and left it sitting there ever since. You and I both have no evidence they touched it or they didn't touch or whether the time they keep piling on to the release date is being used to work on it at all.

What if Asus decided not to release it and hold it for another year and then release it. Am I to believe holding an update for one year made it better even though they didn't work on it at all during that one year? Is that magic? :rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
People thoughts are golden, let them push it so we can get a more stable release, wait till 2014 and we get super stable ICS?

the build is already ready, they just dont touch it and leave it there until their hands are free, pushing it to the end of the month won't get you a more stable release then if it released tommorow.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
You're forgetting to account for how long we've waited so far. Considering you were on such old hardware without HC, I'm surprised you got GB at all.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Have to agree it is a little annoying that our first promise was a xmas present and now it has turned into febuary!!

If it is not released by the end of this month i want them to post the code there stuck on so our devs can fix it (just like there app backup program our devs fixed it 10 times faster than they did) or if they can't post hard proof ring them everyday and abuse them lol

They now there are people that would know what there talking about so if they are stuck they should ask if not they are staln like some have said
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stenc55:
<sarcasm>Yeah, I really forgot. We are all, including me, waiting for ICS from... let's see.... new year, when they promise to release it? That's been whole month and some days. Really long wait.We all grow old in the meantime.</sarcasm>

I still want my TF to receive PROPER ICS over OTA. Don't feel like RMA it, I actually need it every day, and not for playing.

EDIT: One comment from reddit.com:

[–]trezor2Asus Transformer TF101 1 point 11 hours ago

Lol. This is what rushed updates looks like.

And to think that all the TF101 owners on XDA are begging for Asus to rush them an update for their tablet as well, thinking that "'the devs' will fix this in no time".

I seriously hope Aus doesn't listen to them. Make sure it works, then release it.

EDIT 2: Forget it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Here is the new mentality of the Prime owners- I would rather TF101 owners NOT rue the day the next OTA update comes, so I will be patient..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
Lol this is why apple gets stable releases. The company never leaks or give dates from diffrent fringes of apple. Everyone thats crying over ics not beeing released fast enough need to take a step back. I need a STABLE release. Imo hc 3.2.1 is filled with bugs and errors. Not everone roots and not everyone loads costom roms. Let them release a version stable enough to become a gold standard for android tablets. But i fear they will give in to popular opinon and relase a ****ty one
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Sadly Asus won't make an all-working top-notch performance ICS release. Why? Because it would lower their TF201 sales (by their theory), as people would see that the TF101 can run ICS at the same speed etc, so they won't give 2x the money for the same experience.

I'd say, let just Asus release their current builds. Not as an OTA, but as an optional, separately downloadable update. Let the modders work on it, let them fix up stuff. And even release some source codes for hardware libraries, like sound, sensors, display (gralloc, etc), camera, and so on. Let the smart people work for free for them. This way they could cut their development budget a lot.

And, I got official info from AsusUK. They say, release will be in February for sure, if something goes wrong, they'll notice us.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
No, Apple gets stable updates because apple is a walled garden that only have to develop updates for a single proprietary device that makes it much easier..

Android is an open source, multi-device operating system that is not the Asus' invention- Apple invented iOS, of course they can then update and integrate it into the DEVICES THEY ALSO invented, whereas Asus did NOT invent Android, and Android was NOT designed with Asus Transformer in mind..

SHEESH Buy an iphone already if you think apple is so much better.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
I really do hope you meant the part "invented" with a pinch (actually, tons of) sarcasm.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
LOL yeah, the more like conscripted it..black bagged it lol

Either way though, the point is salient.

iOS is specifically for iPhone/iPad, these devices and operating systems were developed with each other in mind. Not so with Android..the device is built around the OS, thus it is harder to craft an OS update to fit around an already established device.

Any way you look at it, Apple developers have less work to do to get an update out to their users.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] anarox:
We are talking about a release for the tf101 so it is for an specific device. If i wanted to buy apple i would buy an ipad2. I still think that google should up their game. Im not saying that ios is better, because they have the advantages you mentioned. Im saying that they dropped the ball on honeycomb.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
How you define "rush"?

Maybe you feel it's rushed? How are you going to prove that?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stenc55:
Full of bugs. Not working properly. Not tested enough. Unrecoverable bricks for most users. Continuing reboots. FC's. Pissed off users. Users scarred what will next OTA bring. More than 0,1% RMA.

Enough?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
...and even when they're developing in a walled garden, Apple *still* has problems with their updates, too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/162983/2011/10/some_users_face_problems_upgrading_to_ios_5.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-12/tech/30269589_1_ios-iphone-servers

http://www.tekgoblin.com/2011/10/12/ios-5-update-problems/

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/10...causing-3200-or-internal-error-update-issues/

http://www.gizmag.com/problems-updating-to-ios-5/20151/

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/10/ios-5-update-problems/

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...ing-contact-wifi-headaches-for-some-users.ars

http://gizmodo.com/5858613/users-report-iphone-battery-problems-continue

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/ios-5-battery-problems-apple-iphone_n_1088691.html

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/11/25/problems-ios5-update-iphone-users-losing-wifi-connectivity/

...not to mention that according to Crittercism, apps tend to crash even more on iOS than they do on Android:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Which-platform-crashes-more-Android-or-iOS_id26542
[Eee Pad Transformer General] C.Flat:
Or if you have a TF101 with sbk1 you can just laugh and install knowing that you can easily revert if the update is terrible
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
Wahhh. People that quote reddit nullify their entire point.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
That isn't a quote from reddit.

It is a quote from a transformer Prime owner, posted on reddit. Thus, your argument is invalid. Thanks!

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WOW that went right over your head didn't it?? iPhone and iOS are made TOGETHER. By the SAME PEOPLE. Asus did not make Android, nor Android make Asus. They are not the same group of people. It will inherently take longer. And if you wish to learn, perhaps you should read more carefully before responding.

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Yep. People think cooking a ROM up is so easy and getting it released with every single bug tracked down should try it sometime..

There would be no such thing as zero day exploits if developers were as foolproof as noobs think they are.