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[General Accessories] Kangal:
By the rubber tack, are you referring to " Blu-Tacks " ?

Blue Tack: http://www.instructables.com/image/FJ9FKEFG7DY84RU/Prepare-the-Blue-tack-base.jpg

You might be right that it *can* offer better grip, but I think you'll find that's not really the case. Since these Tacks (despite which manufacturer) gets hardened and old, they lose their tendency to stick. So they only become a "hard creamy filling" . I think Scotch Tape should do a better job because it offers a " textured grip " (not as much as a fresh Blu-Tack) but it lasts, and it creates a physical pressure/sponge grip (superior to hard creamy fillings) to keep the device properly stabilized.

But in the end, it DOES NOT MATTER. These are aftermarket things that people will choose for themselves, as with the varnish / black paint point.

If the phone is to be sleeved in a case, then the BASE needs to be roughly 17 mm wide. 17mm is very large/thick but it will work.

To put it in perspective, an ATRIX 4G (11mm) + Silicon case (3 mm) + Tack/Scotch Tape (3 mm) = 17mm.

Do you know how to make a telescoping arm on the 3D modeller?

I do not, but if you were to show me I might be able to help.

I think that's the best way to move forward... but as I said before we should have ONLY ONE MOVING PART. It makes things much more simple AND durable. So basically just the one telescoping/adjustable one that moves vertically to clench the phone.

I don't think horizontal telescoping arm is necessary. After adding Tack/Scotch and fitting it tightly I doubt it will move sideways. Having a barrier on one end looks like it will do the trick nicely. Besides it makes it more simple and cheaper to print :D

It is costly printing with this company. I think we should look at finding another Printing Firm, maybe someone local? I have a feeling we need to do 5 - 12 prints until things are perfect. And for the start we need to print with the cheapest plastic available.

And once we have the "perfect mold" I think we can print them with a better plastic for cheaper as wholesale. Nothing too big, just like 200 units or so (which would sell fast), and sell them to people who want it ...basically saving them money and also covering the initial cost of printing.

P.S. I still haven't got the Datel TF2, when I do I'll check if it works on the Sixaxis App. If it does I will PM you for your address so I can post one to you, I think you could measure it more accurately than I.

P.S 2)

I just got 7 GB's free storage on DropBox, PM me soon if you want some instructions for it
[General Accessories] Kangal:
Made some progress, draft 2:

https://tinkercad.com/things/2pqYnbHJpFl

But I'm stuck at a roadblock. I need to figure out how to implement the "telescoping zipper" for the adjustable arm for rev3.

I downloaded the Rhino3D program, but failed to make the object. Its just way too complicated for me. But I did test that the .stl from TinkerCAD works so I guess you can just keep downloading the revisions and adjusting it with your program of choice.

I'll stick with TinkerCAD hopefully manage some success with this project I don't want to let anyone down.

To do:

Once I do draft 3 I will print it up, find all faults and fix them up.

In the same time, I will thin down some surfaces as well as thicken up others.

The last piece of the puzzle would be to accomplish the telescoping arm with a thicker layer to make it durable (unlike some crappy phone holders).

After that hopefully the 4th draft is *perfect enough* for everyday use, and ready to be printed for everyone/mass.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Hey,

Yeah, when I mentioned rubber tack, I meant blue tack. I think, even though it might lose it's properties over time, the fact that it can conform to any shape is valuable, especially for devices with curved edges like the Galaxy phones.

Probably about a month away from getting the next revision, not being able to add funds to my PayPal account is really slowing things down.

Before I make a print, I will probably do a ninja revision and extend the base of the grip all the way to the triangle button, and add a part that rests on the shoulder button bump. The whole thing will be attached by a thin strip though, so if my measurements are way off it can still be broken off and the rest of the device will hopefully be useable.
[General Accessories] Kangal:
Cool.

Can you do me a favour and upload a copy of your .stl to TinkerCAD ?

Its a great tool to visualize the holster, and I might be able to make some changes/polish things up. Basically I want to contribute more than just a donation :)

P.S. You can PM it if you like
[General Accessories] moviecut:
hi gilrad! thanks for your work, i think i will buy this thing! when will the next revision be available? or should i buy rev1? is it working with the galaxy note and the galaxy s2?
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Hello,

You can buy rev.1 right now if you don't want to wait, but I haven't received it yet (I expect it to arrive around the 20th), so I can't guarantee it will work without a hitch.

It was designed to accommodate the Galaxy Note as the largest dimensions, and the iPhone as the smallest dimensions.
[General Accessories] Kangal:
I just received the Datel Turbo Fire 2 controller.

I've confirmed it works on the PS3 and the PC as a SIXAXIS remote. I'll test it with the SIXAXIS App (have to buy it first) and then find the dimensions then I'll post them here.

I've contacted a couple factories in China via email about making plastics. One has refused to service (demands an order of at least 200,000) and another says he can't do the task. I'm waiting for response from the others. If they agree, I'll be ordering a small batch from them (a dozen) when I've done tweeking it (rev4 ?). I'll be comparing the quality to the print service like Shapeways. If its acceptable, then I said I would negotiate a price for a larger order but I haven't discussed the size of the order (I'm thinking about 200 units for $10 each, they'll probably demand over 50,000 for $20 each). This was the same problem we faced with the OpenPandora and iControlPad.

Anyways, Did you see my previous post before?

Can you upload your .stl to TinkerCAD so its easy for me to modify/visualize.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Dude, don't bother looking for a way to get these produced with a Chinese plastics company unless you're willing to get a startup company loan, then devise a way to sell tens of thousands of units. There will be a large up-front fee coupled with a minimum order and month-long lead times. If these projects are getting plastic molded, it will be because an established company steps up and does the legwork.

Anyway, I don't want to release the stl until much much later. When you have confirmed your controller works with the sixaxis pair tool, I'll work on adapting my current model to it's dimensions.
[General Accessories] moviecut:
@Kangal: do you use the rev1? How is it? im short before ordering. just want to make shure, that everything is working alright.

@gilrad: donation is on the way! ;)
[General Accessories] Kangal:
Thanks for the interest.

I haven't printed my rev1, I think its on-par with Gilrad's rev0.

Just wait for rev1 from Gilrad and it'll be much more decent. The last thing I want to do is rush it and have one of the arms snap (because it has no support) and have it drop someone's expensive phone. But I'm planning on morphing my design and Gilrad's design together sometime soon (I just need a free but easy to use 3D tool).

After that I'm going to differentiate and make a new version that supports the Datel TF2, a much better controller than SIXAXIS.....although I've still yet to test that thoroughly :(

I've been super busy these past 2 weeks (work from 7am to 10pm, 6 days a week plus living away from home) which is why I haven't made much progress.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Good news everyone!

Revision 1 just arrived and I can confirm that it is the first fully functional working model. There are of course some caveats, check the changelog on the first post. I'll get a video of it in action when I can convince one of my friends to bring a video recorder (since my best recorder is on the phone that I will use to demo the project). Until then, enjoy these snapshots I took:
[General Accessories] kcajjones:
I've been keeping an eye on this and it looks brilliant! I think I could wait for Rev 2, but on the shop, in black, it's costing me about $50 - £35, which is a bit pricey...Is there anything you can do to reduce the cost or is it down to the store? Also, when do you think you'll have rev 2 done? I don't mean to be a pest, I'm going on holiday 29th March and would love to have it by then! ;)
[General Accessories] Decimatio:
Awesome! This is just what is needed. I can't stand playing games on the touchscreen.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
I just made the modifications for rev.2 and uploaded the model. Its now available.

As for shipping, well its really unfortunate but its out of my control. Its the only shipping option the 3d printing service offers right now, despite nearly every international customer begging them to allow for something cheaper. I guess if there is anything you could do, you could go to their forums and ***** about the expensive shipping costs :)

And for those worried about it not holding on to the cellphone very well, I can confirm that with foam tape used as traction on the gripping prongs and "filler material" to make the rest of it snug around the controller, it is quite firm. It has even passed the "passerby bump" test, where I "accidentally" bump into some random stranger on the street :D
[General Accessories] hansy-crunky:
Hi, I´m interested in your Project and want to buy it... What would it cost???

I´m from Germany, so sorry for my poor english:eek:
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Hey,

You can find it on the shapeways store link on the first page. If they have a printing facility in Germany it shouldn't be more than 40usd, but if not expect it to be around 50usd. Shipping is a bit high, but that's Shapeway's policy unfortunately and out of my hands.
[General Accessories] Jaspu:
Hi!

Any luck getting video camera? I'm so close ordering revision 2, but i'd like to see a video and maybe some more pictures. Also one question, the phone holding part is adjustable, right? And how strong it is, i don't want my phone dropping while playing (;

Thanks
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Hello,

Still having trouble finding a friend with a decent video camera. I'll post more pictures later.

The grip is surprisingly sturdy. Just make sure you put something there for traction (I used a single layer of foam tape to good effect, two layers are probably even better). I'd say its strong enough that, if somebody lightly bumps into you (say you're sitting down and somebody casually passes by), it won't fall off. When I used the screw to fasten the arm into place it dug into it a bit, which will probably mean that arm isn't going anywhere (I say probably because in rev. 1 the screw was not necessary due to how tight the fit was).
[General Accessories] fosselman:
Has anyone gotten revision 2?
[General Accessories] Jaspu:
Yup i got it last friday (; just had some trouble finding cable for my camera. There is only 1 minor thing.. it's not tight enough, but it's fixable by putting some paper between it and the controller. And i can hold it upwards and phone is not gonna go anywhere (Galaxy s2), so its tight enough for me. Didn't put any foam tape, just using my silicon case.

I love it! Just buy it, you won't regret. Oh yeah, and thank you gilrad for making this possible!
[General Accessories] fosselman:
Good to hear and thanks for posting the pics too.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Did you get revision 2? How is the telescoping mechanism to the arm working out?

Also, the screw on the front clasp doesn't seem long enough. Any problems with that?

Let me know if you have any suggestions for revision 3.
[General Accessories] Slidr:
Motivation

Hi,

i`ve bought a PS3 Controller (DualShock 3) recently only to game with the Galaxy S2. If this is the right gamepad for your device gilrad than i will buy one of the next revisions (rev 3, since i can`t wait) and donate some money to you.

Best would be a little preproduction of a stock which you could deliver for a lower price and make a little profit for yourself. Is there any chance?

Just a short question: which material do you recommend? strong&flexibel (black or white)?

Greetings and keep on developing,

Slidr
[General Accessories] Kangal:
Good news everyone!

I just updated my implementation of "revision 1". From what I can tell you, its not as good as gilrad's revision 2, so use that to print now...or use mine to improve it and modify it to perfection. https://tinkercad.com/things/2pqYnbHJpFl

I've also discovered a new method of creating these docks and save some money as well. We can have an arm that reaches vertically (where the telescoping needs to be). And on the foreplate, we can make four holes to connect the phone holder. What I mean by the phone holder, is the plastic thing that goes around your phone and connects to your car-dock. That piece of (high quality) plastic can be removed (!!). We can implement it to actually plug into the Andraxis, and voila, your phone is secured (much better than gilrads arm). And to make it even better, this four holes is universal, so any phone holder can plugin there! Here's an example (SG NOTE):

@Slidr (get the black material strong&flexible...its better than the white)

As I said before, I've been super busy so was unable to check/contribute for some time.

Unfortunately, I forgot to tell you the Datel TurboFire 2 is 100% compatible with Android. I tested it once with the Sixaxis Compatability Checker and it was fine (a little spotty). But now I've taken the plunge and bought the full app. It works 100% with the Sixaxis Tool. I've actually enjoyed few games with it.

The only problems with the D.TF2 is that its a rare controller (but arguably the best) and it would be hard to print a dock for it. Why?

It has contours which wrap snuggly around your hand. The controller is much larger than the typical DS3 (much more comfortable) so it would consume more plastic, ie cost more $$$

If there is any Chinese members reading this, I would like to ask you something.

Can you negotiate for a small scale print out from one of several hundred plastics company? If you can, then the team can create the blueprints which can be printed with better quality materials for a fraction of the cost (~$10 rather than $50). They can also implement functions we cannot; like the telescoping arm:

With this I bring you some troubling news. I'm sad to say that I won't be working on this project further (as I lack the precise 3d modelling skills to bring it to light) and just realised I can no longer allocate much time for hobbies. I will still track this phenomenal project once in a while, and if my financial situation improves I'll be able to make donation for a few print outs. I hope the tips I've provided have been at all useful, and you guys have been great.

P.S. Without any special coding or mucking with settings....The 3-stage "Turbo Fire" mode WORKS!!!!!!
[General Accessories] Slidr:
Really some good news,

although it means some more weeks of waiting for me. Thanks for answering the material related question!

Hope you will have more spare time in the future, kangal.

Hope gilrad recevies his version soon to make some more comments qualitity. Everything (i.e. emulators, games and sixaxis apps) to play is set up..i only need to connect my phone to the pad now!

Feeling like christmas...only some weeks until i can play all the old-school games from my youth!
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Hey, sorry for the lack of updates; I thought I posted an update while on my phone but a rogue tunnel appeared and wiped out my post mid-transit.

Anyway development on my side has kind of stalled, a combination of:

- Rev. 2 is pretty good as it is. I haven't heard any complaints about the telescoping arm so that's probably solved, and I think I'll keep the extra 2mm of space at the bottom of the unit when wrapping it around a controller. Trying to get it 100% snug out of the box is probably not going to happen anyway, and it might involve some non-functioning revisions, so the easiest solution is to just pad it with foam tape or folded paper or blue tack.

- Lack of funding. As I might have mentioned before, it's incredibly difficult for me to move Yen into Paypal money, so the majority of the funding for this project has to come from donations. I'm not saying "no money = no more development", but the revisions I do make are going to be blind on my part, and solely based off of feedback from those who have already ordered.

Anyway, hope you enjoy it. If you have any suggestions for revision 3, feel free to voice them and I'll see if I can improve on the design.
[General Accessories] madfatter:
My red rev 2 is arriving today. I will report back with feedback.
[General Accessories] Slidr:
Just waiting for your feedback madfatter before buying one =) (just to make sure there are no major flaws)

I will give feedback and a small donation for all the work when my version arrives.
[General Accessories] madfatter:
Shut up and give him your money!

It is fantastic! Nothing at all wrong with it. I have a galaxy note and it fits perfect. Just added foam tape and I cut up one of those grippy cell phone pads for the car to put make sure it is secure to the controller. Just order one, I promise you will not regret it. I took a bunch of pictures I will upload, just need to get some things off my plate first.
[General Accessories] randrew87:
locally printing

Hello gilrad, I have a question for you. would be possible to have the 3d model andraxis to print locally, near where I live?, I live in Colombia and the impression of andraxis + shipping is extremely expensive for Shapeways translated into colombian pesos. would be willing to make a paypal donation should be required. I also can send me a private message and communicate us out there.

Best regards and sorry for my bad english.
[General Accessories] djnata:
thanks for this,great project!
[General Accessories] gilrad:
PM sent.
[General Accessories] Slidr:
received my rev 2 today, but there is the upper part missing. i`ll keep you up to date!
[General Accessories] NoBodysGamer:
Will be getting one as soon as I root my Note
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Any update? I am curious as to how fast Shapeways acts to resolve these kinds of issues.
[General Accessories] iakovl:
shut up and take my money
[General Accessories] blueblazer22x:
I ordered revision 2 and it arrived with the arm unhinged from the body. I assume it was supposed to be together and I'm afraid forcing it in will break it. Has anyone else had to deal with this?
[General Accessories] Jaspu:
Bad luck i guess :( i don't think its possible to force there without breaking anything ... So i guess only option is to return it to shapeways and ask for a new one.
[General Accessories] blueblazer22x:
I emailed shapeways about the issue. I guess if they can't replace it I'll try to mod it myself.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
From my contact with Shapeways, I was lead to believe that any problem that can be chalked up to printing errors they'll handle it. The question is how fast and how little trouble you have to go through.
[General Accessories] Finagle69:
I placed an order a while back and will be receiving the part tomorrow. Hopefully I don't have any issues like the last few of you guys. I'll keep you posted.
[General Accessories] blueblazer22x:
Shapeways responded quickly be email and they are sending a replacement free of charge. I also get to keep the misprint, so I'll mod it till the reprint arrives.
[General Accessories] Finagle69:
Well i did have a problem... But a different one than others. see attached...

The bummer is that I really wanted this for the plane ride I'll take this Friday...
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Okay... next chance I get, I am going to attach the separate arm part to the rest of the body by a thin connector that can be broken off. It is nice that Shapeways will respond quickly and resend a new one, but there are still a large number of bad prints and missing pieces.

Expect revision 3 to become available sometime next week that will hopefully address the large number of printing errors.
[General Accessories] kcajjones:
Sounds good to me, I still haven't taken the plunge, but as soon as Rev 3 is done, I shall grab one! :)
[General Accessories] Finagle69:
In light of my problem, Shapeways will be printing and sending me the boom arm soon. Then ill finally get to test it!
[General Accessories] UnderFireX:
Awww, this was really cool.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Sorry for the slow update guys, my new job (JrHS English teacher) is really driving home how difficult it is to maintain these little projects with so little free time!

Anyway, updated to revision 3. If you're holding back, now is the time to grab it :)

Also, I would appreciate it if somebody were to make a video showing off the Andraxis in action. It was going to be a big task to get everything set up before (I don't do videos so it's all new to me), but now it'll be damn near impossible for me to get something out in a timely manner.

Thanks for all the support you guys. As usual I am always interested in any feedback or ideas to improve the project.
[General Accessories] SHadowral:
Just ordered now and by or on the 4th of June I will get it and then you´ll get a video.
[General Accessories] iakovl:
Have to say I loved your idea, but due to cost decided to make my own low lvl hack

Ordered a car mount for the note, going to modify it for the controller

Sent from N7000 with paranoid 0.1
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Sounds cool, let me know how it works out!
[General Accessories] Finagle69:
I got the boom arm in yesterday, so I was finally able to assemble everything.

First, the base portion is very loose on my controller. I had to get some paper and fold it multiple times to stick on the underside of the controller to beef it up to make the base snug.

Second, the thumb screw I had (generic from a PC) is either too thin or not long enough to go through the hole for securing to the controller. I had to improvise and use some random screw I had in the garage.

Thirdly, as gilrad has mentioned, the base that the phone sits on impedes on your pressing triangle or up pretty easily. I'll definitely need to dremel off some portion of it to make that area a little easier to access.

After all of that, I enjoyed the hell out of it last night. Played through Megaman 2, River City Ransom EX, and some Altered Beast.

Pro tip: In Nesoid, Snesoid, Gensoid; go to Other Settings, Shortcut Keys, map quick load to L2 and quick save to R2. Nice for getting to the save states readily.
[General Accessories] gilrad:
Glad to hear you got it working!

loose base: this was an intentional design decision. After ordering the revision 0 prototype and finding the fit is too tight, I decided it would be too risky to try to get a perfect fit on it, so I suggest you fill the space with something like blue tack or foam tape.

For the screw hole, are you talking about the front clasp that secures the unit to the controller, or the screw hole that secures the telescoping arm? On my printing of revision 1, the screw hole is perfect. Could you post some pictures of the curved surfaces of yours? This might be variation on account of the orientation it was printed in, you can tell which orientation it was done in by looking for "terracing" along angled and curved surfaces. In other words, you can see the layers that were latest out in the printing process.

It also might just be that your screws are different than the ones I use. if you can, I would like to see if other screws work better.
[General Accessories] Phoenixwind:
I must ask, what are the chances of this working nicely with the new 7" Nexus tablet that's going to be launching soon? I feel like that is the best use of a project like this, would it require a Rev. 4 or would Rev. 3 work for it?

This project looks awesome and I look forward to being able to try it some time. :)