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[Transformer TF300T General] wynand32:
While I would normally agree with you here, ASUS does face some potential issues with the Prime. First, it's not clear that they've provided a solution for those people who were unaware of the GPS issue within their return period. Second, I think that there's a potential action for an implied warranty regarding fitness of purpose--e.g., does Wifi perform adequately, i.e., within a reasonable buyer's expectations?

We can debate what's ethically correct here (and I'd love to, because to my mind it's a marginal case), but in fact ASUS could very well face a class action lawsuit if they don't come up with some resolution.

Yes, people on this forum are well aware of the issues, but we're a minority. All it would take is some lawyers to glom onto this thing and rope in a few people to claim that the Prime fails to perform as advertised. Right or wrong, ASUS might be smart to (as I mentioned earlier, quietly) offer some kind of trade-in program should the TF300 be real and introduced prior to the issues all being resolved.
[Transformer TF300T General] Diamondback:
Not sure, do we even

really

know if this is supposed to be a "product"?

Maybe it's something from ASUS' own test labs or so. Just a prototype or maybe they are trying to hunt down the impact of the backplate...

I can't really imagine the ****storm if they release a new prodcut which

only

has a new backplate. (As I pointed out, the TF700 has several hardware changes besides the new display)
[Transformer TF300T General] rdalev:
New cars that have GPS listed on the window sticker, usually have GPS in the car. If not, I'm sure the dealer installs one !

So where's my gps Asus ? It was listed on the window sticker when I bought it !
[Transformer TF300T General] slient:
Anyone think it might be a Windows 8 transformer?

or just another prototype
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's what looks to be a wireless certification document bearing the name TF300. So I guess it's going to be a "product" somewhere. Maybe someone who reads whatever language it's written in can provide more details.

P.S. - Quietek does wireless certification testing... http://www.quietek.com/en/ctg/cts/telecom.htm
[Transformer TF300T General] rdalev:
Err......your wrong ! I tried my prime and was fairly happy with it, even with the GPS issue, but knowing Asus was a large company, (I own 2 other Asus products, so this is not anti-asus) and would back up it products, I figured they would fix the gps issue and kept my prime past the 14 day Bestbuy return policy. If I had known Asus was going to try and make gps a non-issue by saying bullsh!t like, "Err, Uh, Well this was never intended to be a fully functioning gps device" and then toatally removed it from the specs, I probably would have returned it before my 14 return period and apparently wait one more month for them to come out with a better version !

I don't expect to be cuddled..........I expect to get what I paid for !
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
I agree. If this is a newly revised Prime with only backplate changed then they in for a world of trouble. This could also mean ones sent in could be replaced with this or they just switch out the backplate. But as we sseeing in the other thread, there's more to wireless issue than just backplate n pogo pins. Asus dealt a deadly cocktail of things to possibly hamper wireless performance on some users device. Plus We don't have any proof or tests to confirm this is in fact a new model Asus will produce and if it is, if it performs any better wireless wise.

Just for the record, for those who made an assumptive comment, I never carried myself like oh my prime is perfect n F everyone else..lol if anything I tried to help when i could. I've been accepted the possible issues surrounding alot of primes. My thing was I wasn't narrow sighted. I could see other possible reasons causing issues also. ASUS has really F d up n its clear as day. I know that n most others know so. So just because I'm happy with my device n how its working for me doesn't mean I don't actually care that others are dealing with some major issues. If anything, I want others to be able to enjoy their device like I have since 12/22
[Transformer TF300T General] michaelatrix:
look a thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc2qmE9XcT4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Transformer TF300T General] Diamondback:
Ah, okay, so,the question would be if they hired that company before or if the TF300 is a first there.

I can barely imagine this "thing" is really a successor to the Prime, just because it looks exactly the same...

I could think of ASUS ditching the TF201 and selling the TF300

instead

...

Would be an explanation why there is still no real stock around the world.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
Of course what you're saying is true on technical grounds. But, morally, introducing a new device that's the same as a device with documented issues and not addressing those issues for existing owners isn't a way of endearing yourself to the market. Other than appearing to use the same PCB as the Prime, we’re not sure what Asus’ intentions are in marketing and positioning the TF300 yet so it’s a little early for pitchforks and torches.

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Funny you'd say that. One of the services QuieTek offers is "Product debugging & PCB layout." Maybe if it is the first time Asus is using them they've finally decided to get help from outside engineers.
[Transformer TF300T General] Diamondback:
That's what I am pointing at ;) They also do wireless "debugging" and reports ;)
[Transformer TF300T General] junrider:
Hehe. Did you guys ever wonder why they decided to go from tf101 to tf201 then make a huge jump to Tf700. If the new prime is going to be the more top shelf, y make it the tf700 and not tf301? Asus knew what they were doing naming it tf700, its because they have to release a cheaper tablet for the other more money concious consumers. The tf201 was suppose to be that but with all its flaws, they will have a tf300-600 to replace that of the tf201.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
With the TF101, Asus proved they can deliver a wireless device with adqueate Wi-Fi, BT, and GPS. My guess all along is that for some reason, vanity took priority over function and that someone within Asus was hell bent on delivering the Prime with an aluminum back plate. All the gymnastics of multiple Wi-Fi antennas, using the front of the tablet as its primary signal source, introducing pogo pins, etc., were all to work around the limitations of the metal back plate. If the TF300 is plastic there's no need for gymnastics anymore and no reason to think it shouldn't perform as well as the TF101. Same thing for the redesign of the TF700 and introduction of a plastic border over the antennas.

This is very objective. I'm proud of you (not that it matters). ;)
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>Anyone think it might be a Windows 8 transformer?

If that's true, then this is a fall model, as that's when Win8 will ship. The T suffix denotes Tegra, which can only mean Tegra 3 at this stage. If it's a Win8 model, then res would likely be 1366x768 or better, since that's Win8 min requirement.

Another possibility is that this is a cheaper Teg3 version with plastic body. Prime's metal unibody obviously costs more to manufacture. iPad 3 should debut soon, and even if iPad 2 will stick around, price will drop. Prime's current price won't be competitive at that point.

The TF101's relative popularity was because of its low $400 price. Asus needs a Teg3 replacement that can fit the same price point (may be w/ 16GB). Add a MeMo 37T at $250 and the line-up would look pretty good.

I think we'll see more Android tabs in spring, once vendors have gotten ICS tested and ready to go. In addition, 10" models from B&N Nook and Amazon should also join the fray. Given that, I'd expect to see Asus' new models by then, or by early summer at latest. Don't want to miss back-to-school shopping season.
[Transformer TF300T General] PolishPoet:
if anyone is using the Prime inside a vehicle I'd be interested to see how they have it mounted. Is anyone out there REALLY using this for navigation?
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
No. Why would Asus be as far as Wi-Fi certification for a device that doesn't even have a finalized OS? W8's not even close to a RC better yet RTM which is what's needed for certification. We'll know more in a few weeks but I'm going with Diamondback in guessing it's a Prime replacement. Either direct with the same features or with less features and a lower price to add some separation from the TF700.

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I use my tablet all the time for navigation. I just used it Tuesday in TX. It sits on the seat beside me unless I'm with someone who can hold it. I only use it when I'm traveling because my car has nav. I wouldn't mount it permanently even if that wasn't the case.
[Transformer TF300T General] diecast17:
I don't like to quote other people and tell them they are wrong for some reason but with you I felt I had to.

I have kept the Prime because ASUS said they are working on these issues. If Asus said we ****ed up so we can't fix yours so we came out with another one, then yes I would expect an exchange program.

If Asus told us already that they can't fix the Prime it would have been returned already!
[Transformer TF300T General] Pubnum:
Something for you to consider

1. ASUS said GPS won't work with the prime -- ever, the backplate prevents it from acting as a fully functional GPS. 90% of prime owners don't have a working GPS

2. In the UK Asus made mention that there isn't a manufacturing issue with the prime despite Clover removing all primes from their shelves. And this is despite our xda friends discovering the pogo pins manufacturing problem.

3. After making a statement I noted in #2, all the backlight bleed issues, if Asus is making statements indicating the prime isn't suffering from QC problems, then they are disconnecting with their customers.

When asus says they are working on the problem, they mean it from a software standpoint. Granted, they might make changes to the design with the C1 and eventual C2 primes, customers who already bought a prime will be out of luck.
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>No. Why would Asus be as far as Wi-Fi certification for a device that doesn't even have a finalized OS?

AFAIK, there are only leaked pics & name. Name implies a matching dock, and is a Tegra model. If there is FCC cert, please provide link.
[Transformer TF300T General] diecast17:
1. If it won't work period then why do 10% not have a problem? And why did ASUS come out with a GPS firmware update after they said the backplate was the issue?

2. I thought Clover said the device didn't work as designed as of right now? I took that to mean if Asus fixes the issues (be it hardware or software) that Clover would then sell it to their customers. How can Asus say there isn't an issue or say that Clover is wrong?

3. I agree with you. I have had 3 Primes so far. All 3 have the Bluetooth Wi-Fi issue that the Wi-Fi drops out when using Bluetooth headphones. The first one had some light bleed, the second one had a lot of light bleed, and the 3rd one has no noticeable light bleed.

4. With the first transformer tablet the original docks had a battery drain issue. I had to pay to have the dock sent in but they repaired the hardware. So, I think they might have a fix that we have to send our Primes in for. Gary even said they were working on 2 fixes, and a lot or people think that one could be software and the other could be hardware.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
Existing prime owners won't be out of luck. Wanna know why?

BECAUSE THIS IS A BRAND NEW DEVICE STILL AND COVERED UNDER MANUFACTURER 1 YR. WARRANTY. Lol. Most of us have proof of purchase, receipt, to show we bought our primes before they took down the GPS spec. That alot holds alot of weight. So what do you think they gonna do once more n more people send it in for RMA? They can't just send them all back n ignore it. If they do, they shot themselves in the foot and open up legal actions to be taken for not owning up to the warranty required by law.
[Transformer TF300T General] Pubnum:
They won't fix it for the GPS spec, they already indicated that when they took it off the spec sheet. they also claimed that it isn't a professional GPS device, which is just another way of saying "Sorry, nothing we can do".

Clover stopped selling them not because of the software, but because of the hardware issues. Thats how I read it. I don't know exactly what they tested, but I'd like to guess that the primes they did open, they checked for wifi/GPS/backlight bleed.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
Honestly, clover selling or not selling primes is not going to make an influence or big impact on what Asus wants to do. It'll be different if Best Buy or Amazon publically came out with a statement like that. Clover is no where near the caliber or buying power of those companies..lol.

As far as other stuff you said I'm not worried at all. I bet if I do send it in eventually, they will wither give me a new device, fix it, LR allow me to upgrade for a premium. That's what will be demanded by most. Believe Asus will honor their warranties. Doesn't matter if they took down God spec. I bought the device before they did that n have proof.

Anyways, I'm done with this debate. If you the type to let people do whatever to you, then so be it. Most here not the type to just sit back n take it in the a$$ and take whatever they dish us. THEY will deal with the warranty claims in a satisfactory manor or pay the price. Would be an easy win for consumers who bought device.
[Transformer TF300T General] thomslik:
I hope Asus comes through for you and others. But, they haven't exactly been a stellar example of placing the customer first since the Prime was released.

A few conversations with tech support, along with the way they attempted to ignore problems and weasel out of the GPS issue was enough for me. I'm glad I returned mine in spite of all the positive posters here. Some would say why am I still around? I keep coming back hoping to see that everything is fixed and working as originally designed. Then maybe I'll try another. It appears that may still be a while or new model away.

Good luck.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
Also, some people have been saying it's a different 3G model. 3G's not listed on the certification letter (third line down).

http://www.quietek.com/en/ctg/cts/telecom.htm
[Transformer TF300T General] opentoe:
If Asus does announce and start selling these newer models we really have to give them a ****storm. If being a PITA is the only way to get results then that's the way the game has to be played. Asus has much more resources then we ever will so I really hope they do justice on our part with crappy working Prime's.

Choice: Bluetooth or Wifi. But not both. :)
[Transformer TF300T General] Pubnum:
This looks like a 7" tablet. Take a look at the 3.5mm jack, if you do the dimensions right, it equals to about 7".

http://www.alltouchtablet.com/touch...00-appears-in-leaked-photos-from-china-14488/
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
The TF prefix would denote Transformer, ie with keyboard dock. A 7" wouldn't be suitable, given keyboard minimum-size constraint.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
Here's the orginal Asian article the French story was sourced from. From what Google translate says, they're questioning (just like us) whether it's a new model or replacement for the Prime. They also talk about it possibly being created to address the GPS issue. So it's not the 7".

http://nccc.cool3c.com/article/55539
[Transformer TF300T General] Ectoplasmic:
There are some that are so blinded and consumed by fanboism, even admitting that they are, that I am suspicious about some of the "my prime is soooo perfect" posts. I think they could have 50% dead pixels, dead WIFI, no GPS, and still carry on about how perfect their prime is.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
I've had Android devices from HTC, Samsung, Motorola, and LG. I've never "loved" any of them to the point I'd blindly defend them. They've all had strengths and weaknesses with the former outweighing the latter. The exception being the LG G2X which was an atrocity and drove me away from ever owning one of their products again. They were also the only manufacturer to post a loss in Q4 (listening Asus?). Other than the G2X, I never experienced a design or build quality issue with any of my devices. In fact, because of that, I thought in those areas all manufacturers were similar.

From watching the Prime launch, I won't say I'll never buy an Asus product but I certainly won't be first. People are getting all excited about the PadPhone. If Asus can't get a simple Wi-Fi device right what makes anyone think they'll be able to master a quad-band GSM device; especially their first one?

Perhaps the Prime will be a turning point for Asus. Other companies have had major product issues and recovered from them. Hyundai with the original $4,995 Excel is a good example. I hope this is the wakeup call for Asus to get their act together. They seem innovative, continually update their s/w, and (Prime excepted) take good care of their customers after-the-sale. But a couple of more launches like the Prime and they’ll be doomed to selling low-end devices competing with the likes of Vizio and Coby on price.

There are going to be a lot of next-gen devices launched in 2012. With the high-end ($399+) being only 15% of the market, the TF700 better be flawless. A vastly upgraded iPad3 and the Samsung 5110 are going to be hard to compete with if they too are $599 (32GB). But at least Asus will always have the keyboard dock to fall back on. ;)
[Transformer TF300T General] roach48:
it does make them look money hungry,i was all set to buy a motorola zoom and then i read a post at xoomforums about Asus and i started looking and reading,i found alot of people complaining about different problems so now i'm in betweem the both of them.

p.s....

First i wanted to thank everyone here on these forums. I learned alot here! Yesterday my xoom got into a accident and was destroyed. So I decided to get a replacement. I shopped looked at what I believed to be the best and what i needed. No way would i go apple! I went with the asus transformer prime. wow this is a amazing tablet. I thought the xoom was good, this blows it away. Im excited for the future of android tablets. Also thank you to the xoom for leading the way.
[Transformer TF300T General] Ectoplasmic:
Maybe I'm just getting on in years, but I don't get the brand loyaltly, aka fanboyism at all. I have lots of devices. I have two fairly new Sony TVs, but I don't care about Sony, in fact, I strongly dislike their attempts to force their own standards and profit from that strategy. However, the TVs had the best balance of price and features that I was looking for, so I made the practical choice. When the time comes for a new TV, I will again reevaluate everything on the market, without regard to brand.

I do agree that in 2012 and beyond, there should be a steady stream of new tablets entering the market. Other companies don't sit still. I can't imagine ASUS staying competitive with the likes of Samsung much longer if they continue performing the way they did with the TF201 launch.
[Transformer TF300T General] xxgmon3yxx:
Agreed, Asus needs to step it up I don't see them successfully launching another product after the prime fiasco. The first thing you will hear before the padphone launches will be comments on how they released a broken product and wonder how the phone will perform in terms of quality, same with the tf700 and tf300.

One thing I know for sure before I buy Asus again I will wait at least a month to see what people experiences are. The prime will be my first and last $500 Beta testing that I do.
[Transformer TF300T General] demandarin:
THIS is a very smart move tl make instead of being an early adopter. I lucked up by getting a good device but still. Too many risks involved when getting a brand new device before released to the masses. For me though, I'd do this all over again..lol. Prime blows away my Ipad n already shown in video thread to cream the ipad2. I'm not worried or pressed about new tablets coming. We will have developement even further along by then. So we would've already had a major headstsrt. Not even worried about so called more powerful ones. We already overclocked to same speeds as tablets coming out months from now. And that's just on stock rom and locked bootloader. By time other tabs come out we will be hitting 1.8-2Ghz speeds. No upcoming tablet has that speed. So we will be ahead regardless. Bring on the competition! PRIME will eat them all alive...lol. especially Samsung :p lol.
[Transformer TF300T General] BarryH_GEG:
How will you feel if Asus releases the TF300 as the "new" Prime and kills the TF201? Using the same PCB they'd be able to better place the antennas, hardwire the antenna leads, and the plastic back will allow wireless signals to be received from both sides of the device. That means working GPS, more consistent Wi-Fi performance and range, and most likely the end of the Wi-Fi/BT streaming issue. All at the same price and with same benefits you listed in your post. That would make the resale value of the TF201 drop immediately.

If that's their intention, and unless they offer some buy-back program for existing owners, that would be Asus giving the middle finger to all the Prime early adopters. Of course there's nothing at this point to confirm my supposition. But to continue to lose their shirts on the Prime and test the patience of resellers because of returns/exchanges doing nothing isn't a viable option.
[Transformer TF300T General] Wordlywisewiz:
We could easily get them for false advertising! Gps was listed when we bought it! **** its still on the boxes even on the C1 models! We can get them by the balls!

All we gotta do is attack!

I will organize another attack as I have the whole weekend to do nothing :)

They need to fix this ****!

This time we are going all out! BBB petition full blown media twitter facebook and we are gonna slaughter their amazon reviews! Idc if we fix them either!

Asus needs to pull their ass out of china and india and get back to tiwian they where way better than!
[Transformer TF300T General] e.mote:
>How will you feel if Asus releases the TF300 as the "new" Prime and kills the TF201?

I think you can use a little tact here and not rub it in. Yes, the Prime has issues. All the same, people who bought and like the Prime deserve to have the space to enjoy their hard-earned purchases. It doesn't do anybody any good to be beaten over the head with the issues, or be constantly preached to that their toys may quickly be superceded.

Sure, it may happen, or it may not. If it does happen, it'll still be some months from now. Let people at least enjoy their toys in the mean time.

I understand the need to have your thoughts heard. But it's been heard enough, and it's a time to let things lie.
[Transformer TF300T General] theeggman:
Bit late on this.. but yet another leak?

Wonder what Asus' deal is, guess they're producing tablets like companies did when netbooks were the big hype..
[Transformer TF300T General] xxgmon3yxx:
Let me know when u do. I'm with u. BBB petition does sound good.
[Transformer TF300T General] Wordlywisewiz:
Ohh you will see it :) it will be the biggest thread ever last time it got like 75k views and over 50 pages in like 36 hours 10k petition signs on change.org