yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Desire S] smash_07:
HTC has done many contradictions in the past and sometimes they had to go back in what they said.

First when the Sensation came out people asked if Sense 3.0 would come to older devices then HTC quickly stated that older devices could not run it due to hardware restrictions. Then they released the HTC Rhyme with !GHz CPU and 768MB of RAM running even newer version Sense 3.5. So HTC gave us Sense 3.0 as it was evident that it could run it.

After that we had the Desire 2.3 update. HTC telling people the phone didn't have enough memory for Gingerbread and they had just released the Wildfire S with even worse hardware running Gingerbread from start. So HTC gave people with Desire the 2.3 update.

Then now with ICS. It is obvious that the Desire S can run it (Nexus S...) but with Sense over it and HTC's hesitations over support may lead to no update.

My theory is that when a phone is released it has to be updated to at least one version of Android. The Desire S came out with 2.3 from start so we can believe that it will come to ICS. We will get the answer when HTC reveals the second wave of updates to us.
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Very good explanation!

I really do hope that's the case!

I think the DHD is a lucky device... It started with 2.2, got 2.3.3 + New sense 2.1, then another update to 2.3.5 + sense 3.0. If we get ICS, the DHD will have to get ICS (same specs). I don't think HTC want to give the dhd anymore updates

So HTC might choose not to give us ICS for that reason :( otherwise they would also have to update the DHD.
[HTC Desire S] smash_07:
I may be wrong, but my feeling is that all devices from Desire HD and Desire Z and later will receive the update. The Desire HD was the top phone for HTC of it's time and I don't think HTC will kill it if they decide to give Desire S the update.

The only question here is the all mighty Sense UI and that is HTC's fault because they built a so deeply integrated UI. Honestly I can live without the 3D transitions as ICS actually has its own ones. It will up to what HTC will do with Sense UI.
[HTC Desire S] rayulove69:
Dont know about you guys but HTC has always been keep-the-customer-in-dark with Desire S. IMHO I dont know why they do it... I mean it came with sense 2.1 and 2.3 when I bought. After a while some patches and fotas were there but when we got sense 3.0 it was some guys phone which got updated made the news not a disclosure or say news by HTC that its been updated and which makes my geeky mind cheer in the doubt of my mind that we may recieve ICS officially:rolleyes:

Now about the thing that here are devs that are doing a hard job to get ICS on ours and imo they have been succesful as in there-was-no-way-but-they-did-it successful. But think if theres an official update what might happen then? I am no dev or **** but as I understand that would made works on other roms ports a heck lot easier...
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Good explanation, but keep in mind, the Desire Z did not receive the official Sense 3.0 update.
[HTC Desire S] walphy:
This is pretty sad, if HTC won't upgrade our Desire S to ICS. I mean, Sony Ericsson has announced and committed to ICS upgrades for their 2011 lineup--and those have the same chipsets as our Desire S! :confused: SE's flagship for last year, the Xperia Arc, was launched around the same time frame as our Desire S, with virtually the same Qualcomm chipset. No way HTC can use that excuse, and they know it.

18 months is not yet up for this phone, so if Google is right, we should expect support/updates till around September or so of 2012. As much as I dislike Sense, HTC ought to be ashamed of itself if they won't give us ICS. I can imagine they're in a bind, because they are compelled to give us ICS, but don't want us playing around with the ICS'ed Sense 4.0 and would rather have us get newer, more expensive 4 inch slabs :rolleyes:

Come on, HTC. Gain some goodwill among us. Roll out ICS and the latest Sense. You know it makes Sense ;) :p
[HTC Desire S] Forwox:
That's the way to go, but just as always magic will not happen and HTC Desire S probably will not get ICS update because of that politic, meanwhile Sony Ericsson goes more democratical way and releases updates for customers, not only "top list'' customers as HTC do. I respect HTC, but the point how they sorts updates by devices is to drastic, just too painful for user like us, who knows what their device is able to do, but they simply do not feed it. To be honest, if HTC Desire S will get official ICS update, then it will mean that HTC is changing their political statement and magic is happening.
[HTC Desire S] rayulove69:
You guys havent read the internal leak that confirmed ICS for desire s?
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
dude, our posts are from days before the leak came out :p

But thanks for the effort :) I guess there will hopefully be a strong future for us!
[HTC Desire S] Akishima:
He already said what I wanted to said :)

I like the line "This is why you choose Android and XDA" :D
[HTC Desire S] olyloh6696:
Well good news anyway:

HTC announced ICS officially for us! :D

YIPPEE!!! :p :p
[HTC Desire S] rayulove69:
You beat me to that :P :D xD yayyyyyy
[HTC Desire S] walphy:
Now that the Desire S is getting ICS...

Great news from HTC confirming ICS. I'm confident they'll make good on that, and probably announce a few more devices getting ICS (The Desire Z and Rhyme weren't in the list, but they're pretty capable of running ICS, too)

But that being said... HTC, where's our next gen 3.7" Desire II/whatever? Is it the Primo? »» androidcommunity.com/htc-primo-leaks-android-4-0-beats-audio-and-budget-friendly-20120123/

There are many of us here who simply find anything 4.0"+ too big. The Primo looks nice, but I think HTC should equip it with 768MB RAM, at least. And keep it clean! Beats logo on the back, please, not up front, HTC! The other specs look fine for a Desire S upgrade/replacement down the road :)

Anyway, exciting times ahead, everyone! :cool:
[HTC Desire S] sayeed91:
I hope they release a new desire at mwc. Preferably with the same size screen. Better resolution and dual core processor with ics. And 8 megapixels that would be nice. The galaxy s2 feels too big for me. I like the desire s form factor
[HTC Desire S] GideonB234:
sole reason I got Desire S was because it was a Desire HD with a smaller screen

But its awesome news that HTC are doing offical ICS cause then this means working ICS camera libraries :D
[HTC Desire S] eyahl:
a friend of mine just bought a galaxy note. It's so big, it doesn't even fit his pocket. I was like "WTF" when he showed to me
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MMAHavok69:
I found this out a few days ago but thought it deserved a thread. So I went to my go to at&t Guy at my store near me and when he tried to look up full retail pricing, he found out that the Note will only be available to purchase by adding two years to your contract. They will not be offering it to be purchased out right at first. He said they do this sometimes when they have an exclusive on a phone for awhile. So you won't be able to pick this BEAST up right away without adding two more years to your contract.... oh well I'm still getting it.

Well sorry for any confusion. It appears all the AT&T people I talked to over the phone our idiots and that the store employees were feed the same crap when they tried to look it up for me. Man you would think they would be on the ball. I think they're seriously underestimating this phone like they did in Europe. I hope that doesn't lead to shortages in the states, like some areas had (Norway from what my friend told me). So you can pre order off contract at 649.99. HAPPY SHOPPING FUTURE NOTE OWNERS!!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Croak:
You can always get one of the Bell/Telus/Rogers units that will be hitting the market here in less than two weeks. Same unit (i717) as the AT&T version but without the AT&T bloatware (and possibly without any external carrier branding on at least the Bell version).

I expect you'll see them on Craigslist for $600, shipping to the US isn't that expensive, and unlocking shouldn't be an issue. And places like Negri or Expansys will also be selling them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Alejandrissimo:
Are you guys sure to get an i717 instead a n7000?

That hardware is less for same price, also devs are working on international version.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MMAHavok69:
Thanks for the great info... I don't know if there the same though cause there were some other differences with the US and Can version of the infuse. Also I already pay 5 bucks a month for the insurance through at&t.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
I was wondering if you could ask your guy a question for me if you get the chance. I live in California and the tax laws here are such that we pay tax on the full retail price of the phone, not the upgrade price -- even if we're purchasing as an upgrade. So . . . if they don't have a retail price yet then are they only going to charge me tax on the upgrade price?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Croak:
I have an N7000, and I don't think the 717 is "less hardware". Same display (most expensive part) same digitizer, same amount of RAM/ROM, same battery, a very close equivalent processor (really, it is, for anyone not running benchmarks all day long), and a better radio that supports both 42Mbs DC HSPA+ and LTE. Plus local warranty and insurance support.

Depends on your priorities, I would think.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] JamieD81:
i have n7000 and def keeping it, but to the ATT guys that want the i717 your best bet is not rogers in canada.

it will be either bell or telus, both these companys keep their phones unbranded. no carrier stampings on the phone/battery cover.

also ours comes out a week earlier.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tbran:
Wow thats interesting. I was on the fence about buying outright or adding a 2yr. Guess that solves that!

Sent from Samsung Galaxy II SR via Tapatalk
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
In answer to my own question, I just got off the horn with AT&T and they told me that they would only charge tax on the upgrade price if it releases with no retail price.

Also . . . is it just me or does every single thread on these forums mentioning the AT&T version of this device eventually boil down to a snapdraggon flamewar rendering the point of the thread moot?

Looking forward to getting a dedicated forum to the AT&T device.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
I went through the flame wars when I got my skyrocket. It is a great phone with an S3 processor. I have the international gnote now, but may consider selling my skyrocket for the att version of the gnote (off contract) so I can keep lte which is prevalent in my state.

But yes the threads will devolve unfortunately, even after the forums split. It is much like how every att lte phone forum devolves into a rant about throttling for the lte unlimited plan members and how att is beyond the evil empire...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MMAHavok69:
Well I don't know how long you'll have to wait to be able to buy it off contract but I'm sure the SR will tide you over till then.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
I know right? I am willing to throw $700 at ATT and it seems they do not want my money lol! Somebody will take my money it is just a question of who will get it first! Like you said, no rush!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
If it weren't for the insurance thing I'd offer to sell you my i717 so I can buy an N7000 . . . lol. The no insurance thing on the international versions makes me nervous, though. Of course, AT&T's insurance is kind of bunk, too . . . oi :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
AT&T sales rep here. Thought I would clear some things up.

This phone WILL be available for purchase without a contract. Just not at first because it is currently not on our shelves. With the preorder, it will only be available as an upgrade w/ a 2 year contract for 299.

On launch day when you are able to buy it in-store, you will have the option to pay the full non-commitment price for the phone.

As for this phone vs the international. They're both incredible devices. Nothing changes that. As we have seen with the Skyrocket, this same hardware has incredible potential. Tons of overclocking headroom while staying stable.

I'm very excited to see it show up in our store.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
Maroon . . . thanks for the info!

Don't suppose you have any info on the availability through Amazon Wireless? If and we'll they'll pick it up and whether or not they'll be doing preorders?

If I go through Amazon there's no tax and no shipping . . . so that's a plus. BUT . . . I've been waiting for this phone like a crazy person since before the N7000 release so I almost want to bite on the AT&T preorder so I can get it on the 17th . . . with tax and shipping that's going to be over $50 to pay just for impatience, though :eek:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
You can certainly buy third party insurance for the international GNote. I bought it for 59 for a year and it includes theft and loss.

---------- Post added at 07:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:17 PM ----------

Excellent! Thanks for the info!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
Where'd you get the ins? I found a few different places but couldn't find any reviews on whether or not they were any good.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Im sure we'll have it available for outright buying at best buy too. Im sure ATTs insurance will have a monster deductible for a replacement, probably $200 like for the skyrocket and vivid. I know it sounds like a best buy plug but out protection is pretty bangin haha but I break a lot of phones so I really see the benefit of no deductible
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
How's the protection at BestBuy work?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Ensquared. I could not find any reviews either after a buddy told me about it. He has a claim for a damaged phone and they covered it. Since I bought an International GNote, I wanted to have it covered since I paid $650 for it. The deductible is based on the amount of damage and $75 maximum.

I did a quick search and saw this. Post #6

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-x-general-discussions/65117-enaquared-insurance.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Either $9.99 a month or $170 up front for the 2 years. If you cancel it before the two years it refunds it at the prorated amount. No deductible and gets replaced by a certified high quality refurb. It does not cover lost or stolen however, so if you're more likely to lose it I would advise ATTs. I break a lot of phones due to excessive partying so I don't wanna deal with a deductible, especially not a $200 one. Also if you opt to not have the phone exchanged with another refurb and instead have your exact phone repaired and they are unable to repair it, they will issue a gift card for full retail value for you to purchase a new phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
Good to know . . . TY!

---------- Post added at 03:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:14 AM ----------

Full retail you paid or full retail at the time of the claim?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Full retail at the time of purchase. So even if you got it for $300 at upgrade it goes off the 650-700 it retails for on date of purchase. Also just FYI retail cost very rarely actually goes down for subsidized phones. The subsidized cost my drop or go to free but the retail will typically not change. At least from what Ive seen at best buy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
Well that's intriguing . . . Now I don't know what the crap to do . . . LOL. Are you guys doing preorder w/ Feb 17th delivery on the Note or I'd have to wait until the 19th?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Word hasn't come down yet but I'm going to guess we'll launch the 19th as per ATTs announcement for 19th at retail locations. I'll update this thread when I know of our pricing and availability.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
Very cool thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Since I am going no commitment pricing, I am waiting until after the launch to see all the reviews. I anticipate good reviews! It will also give me time to sell my skyrocket.

Edit: My bad, I guess you were speaking of Best Buy! lol!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
We don't charge for shipping on direct fulfillment orders, which it would be. Just place the order in-store on Feb. 5th.

We have no info about Amazon's wireless service or when they're getting the Note.

Oh, little leak just for you guys ;)

we will have:

-speck cases in pink/white and in white/grey

-desk dock

-extra S Pen

-S Pen holder (increases the size of the s pen so it will be full sized)

-2500 mah battery

-USB host adapter

-Zagg invisible shield

-battery charger

-Moshi anti glare / anti fingerprint screen protector

-Anymode wallet case (with blue interior)

-Anymode leather flip case in Pink, Black, and Red
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tg9413:
I have a att upgrade available for the att note. Scince i got the n7000, i dont need the upgrade. PM me if any of u want the note right off launch. We can figure out some deal. But imho , if u getiing the att note, u might as well get n7000
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
My Internal Memo :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
649.99 for no commitment! SWEET! Less than I planned on! I just saved $50 bucks! lol!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] macwilson:
What kind of replacement insurance does ATT have (or do they have any at all )?

I had the Note (sold it for the upcoming discount), and it was rather fragile.

I'm used to an iPhone which is like a brick. The Note I handled like a baby.

I foresee a mishap. I will have the usual protectors, but nevertheless, it's going to happen.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
From what I understand with AT&T you pay monthly on the insurance plan. It's like 8-12 dollars a month I believe. I think it covers loss/theft/and damage. Only downside is there's a $200 deductible for a claim, and you only get two claims.

It's definitely got me considering third party coverage or maybe getting it from Best Buy based on the other info in this thread.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
7/ mo

2 claim /yr
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] macwilson:
Oh that's good. I will do that and be able to rest at night (or maybe not that, but i'll beat the thing for sure :D )

No, that's irresponsible (and a bit of fraud), but these things if used in a normal fashion take a lot of abuse. I wouldn't want to have to baby a cell phone. What a drag that would be. As a matter of fact, the more i think about it, without insurance I might not even go there.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
Actually, not fraud at all.

Insurance covers basically everything (excluding acts of god)

You end up paying a deductable anyways in most cases.

Best thing about insurance is that it also acts as an extended warranty after your mfg 1yr..so things like screen outage and battery issues caused by mfg defect then no deduction will be charged and youll process it as a warranty claim.

more info www.asurion.com
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
ngocdao, do you know what AT&T's SKU is for this phone?

Or maroon? I forget which one of y'all works for AT&T. lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Get best buys, its 10 a month with NO deductible to replace the phone and unlimited claims. The way we do that is we don't cover lost or stolen which for most people is not an issue. I break enough phones to not want to pay a stupid deductible each time, especially a $200 one which is absurd

Plus we're offerering a free flip case with preorders. And starting Monday to sunday if you check your upgrade in store you will get a $50 gift card when upgrading
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mikegehl:
OK - now I'm very curious...

Got an email from BB Reward Zone to register my plan's phones for a $50 gift card - "Choose Phone Freedom and Get a $50 BB Gift Card." I did so, and got a confirmation email that it will automatically be added at checkout and that I can even use it on the phone purchase if the transaction is done in-store.

Plus, according to what you just posted, if I simply have someone check my upgrade status next week, do I get another $50 gift card? $100 total?

Mike
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Willthrill:
So if I pre order tomorrow,then go in store monday and check my upgrade eligiblity i will get a $50 gift card. what if i a not eligible for an upgrade so i check it they say i am not eligible but i still want the phone, do i still get the gift card?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
This is all very interesting!! So I have two lines on my account, both eligible for upgrade. If I check elligibility for both but only upgrade one do I get a $100 gift card? That would be pretty impossible to pass up . . . lol. If we preorder to we get to pick it up on the 17th like AT&T?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] droidal:
I don't see how BB doesn't lose a bunch of money. I mean if you get the insurance and then in 7 months they come out with a Note 2. People would drop their phone in a glass of water bring it back and then get the new one as a replacement.

I know it's dishonest, but I could see that happening a lot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] tbran:
Thanks alot for this MM. I love the Moshi Ivisor on my SR and was bummed when it looked like they werent going to be available for the Gnote. Makes my day!

Sent from Samsung Galaxy II SR via Tapatalk
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
I'll have the sku for you in an hour and a half. Getting ready for work now, haha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] LiquidArrogance:
cool thanks!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] joedoe:
No, you won't get $100. Only $50 after each upgrade. Read FAQ on BB Reward Zone web site.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
65371 white

65503 blue

Asurion is a better deal if you tend to lose it more than break ya phones.

Amount of claims shouldnt matter... If you really break/lose your phone more than 2x a year, you should really stick to a landline.

Also check out Protect Cell insurance companu. pay up front but cheaper altogether.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Maroon Mushroom:
Gah, beat me to it. Busy day here at my store :<
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
No worries :) Its no contest. just contributing whatever info I can
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
So what I'm thinking of doing is buying a new line (I'm not elite for upgrade), and then pay $325 to break the two year. Isn't that better if you want to preorder? (since they won't open to buy one outright tomorrow).

Btw will it be available online?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Willthrill:
Just buy it from Best Buy they are allowing pre orders for full retail, so I was told
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] sweetboy02125:
Not worth it. YOu will be ended it up of paying more than full retail.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Willthrill:
Great idea... just called att and my $325 early term is down to $175 ... add in $299 and I am at $474.... better than $749 ($649 with Samsung instant rebate)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Tomorrow? I'll check it out!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
How so? Full retail ~650+taxes; or 299+325=625+taxes...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] RipplingHurst:
Rebate? I thought att was selling it for 625-650...no rebate needed. Maybe you mean from best buy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] mastaofdacat:
i preordered mine at 12:15 am full no contract price 649 and after taxes 703 bucks !said will receive on or before Feb 17.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] aimfire72:
How were you able to do that?

It didn't show up as an option for me, just the 299 pre order deal. Was there a way to click through and order?