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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] upyouratrix:
Dude, you're a ****! I live in phoenix and even in the winter, at night, it can get below 30, so I don't consider low 30s cold. But I bet you're smart enough to not leave your several thousand dollar car in "cold" temperatures? So when something on your car brakes, it must be your fault! Idiot....

To the op, I hope Samsung works with you. If you're being honest, which I think you are, then things will get worked out. Don't listen to some of these goofballs. I've had phones in 115° weather and have not had any phones break. You can't always control the environment you're in and our phones should be able to handle them for reasonable periods of time. Yes, it may decrese the life of the phone, but it shouldn't make them brake!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
OH SHIZZ!!! You got me there...i just remembered cars dont support cold weather. Damn your example is so great i have absolutely nothing to fire back except just by the way you wrote "BREAK" and not "BRAKE" you must be a smart ass
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] upyouratrix:
I knew you would take my bail troll. But actually, the car example is very similar. Every fluid and every mechanical part has a temperature range. Just like our phones. Operate within the designed range and you shouldn't have issues (key word there is shouldn't). But I bet you know everything about cars too...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
hey buddy, at least if you're gonna try to troll me, don't make a fool out of yourself. A freaking car can survive temperatures of -60 and +60 (Celsius). The only thing that will make your car fail to start in winter is the thickness of the oil due to the cold, not being able to let the starter turn the gears because of the oil. So your example if the ****tiest example you could find...why don't you start to compare oranges with oranges and not oranges with bricks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] :
Dude. Obviously this thread is gotten out of hand and turned into another pissing contest. Take it to pm or get back on track. Its funny how op posted his true story and even a picture. We may NEVER know what happened, but you guys insist he isnt telling the truth when obviously something did happen. U

You guys start deviating talking about cars and blah blah and whos got better chemical/component/electronics know-how. Jeez. Give it a rest.

Message relayed from the dark side.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
Bottom line and words of wisdom:

Don't leave your phone outside, don't forget it there, think about it, and if you don't and it breaks, live with it!

Crying wont help!

Good luck with Samsung OP
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nthknd:
Nope bottom line. The damn phone was defective, and thank you OP. for letting us know, if it happen to one phone its possible it could happen to another.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Bender B. Rodgriguez:
This thread has slowly degraded into full blown idiocy.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nthknd:
Agreed!!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Pirateghost:
i would say it exploded with retardation
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] polish_pat:
because of the coldness
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Bender B. Rodgriguez:
I was considering dropping the r-bomb but I figured it.might hit a little too close to home to the people I was.referring to.

:P
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] nthknd:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1484102
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] :
We don't have the same screens as the s2 owners so the limitations of gorilla glass and whatever we use are different and each batch is different to there is no way to say every s2 will stand up to those extremes especially ours
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] :
Why wud only 30 degrees break it....??

I've put my pc outside at like 10 degrees
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] dac1227:
Welcome to XDA JC;)

Objectively, we have some concerning facts to this case highlighted above in red. What is not mentioned in the post is:

1-screen protector is on

2-seems to have a case around the phone

3-the picture depicts consistent shattering across the entire screen. If dropped, or crushed, the fractures would probably stem from the initial break, like a web or lightning.

Hypothesis: The screen of the device was damaged by rapid temperature fluctuation, the exterior of the device was cold and quickly heated by: 1- a malfunction, or 2- normal heating during charging or operation.

to consider:

-What temperature was the exteriorof the device when placed in the car? Was it cold already? Was it powered on? Correct voltage output?

-Some phones get very hot while charging, especially if insulated by a screen protector and case.

-Did the Screen remain on while charging, or turn on at some point, perhaps when reached 100%?

-The phone already had issues accepting the USB connector, did this play a factor? What about the position the phone was in, did this also contribute in some way?

-The internals were not damaged, and rightfully so as the internal temperature of the device never reached beyond operating capacity limitations.

I think if we are as smart as a community as we portray, we can solve this debate. We need all the facts though. There is evidence that JC is truthful and this happened within the above parameters.

On a side note: JC, with his

first

ever post on XDA, brought this community together, and some of us apart. He deserves a medal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] :
Im glad you posted this. It remind me of why glass on cars can survive cold but as soon as hot water lands on it, it shatters. It could have been that. The screen must have rrached a temperature consistently cold since it had stayed in the car. The molecues of the glass are so slowed due to the cold thag whatever.rapid heat exposure could have fluctuated the molecules causing the durabilty of the overall structure to collapse. My hypothesis. It could have been his hands were very hot, or it was just at that breaking point , turning it on causdd the charge to break it. Lol. Science is fun.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] dac1227:
Science is fun. I wanted to join in on the debate, but not a flaming war so I waited a bit before posting. Everyone seems pretty split on the issue and XDA members have a lot of brain power collectively; it would be interesting to get some actual input, or ideas, and less opining -a "forum".

This case is extreme, however plausible. Get the Myth-busters on this! But seriously, don't we have any engineering majors in here?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slstr:
I read about the different CM9 froyo and GingerBread "build-branches" in some threads:

in first post of this thread:

[ICS] 12-Jan "CM9" Experimental Builds for the Defy !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1353003

"Note: Builds from the 7.Dec and after are made for gingerbread kernel (2.3.4 betas for defy and/or for 2.3.6 recent defy+)

Quarx will do this rom with the 2.3.4 kernel, which allow the downgrade to 2.2.2 Nandroids (with boot/devtree).... Lot of apps are now fixed with the new GL and with only a few changes from AOSP sources (frameworks)"

And also Quarx post on 6th December:

(quoted from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1353003&page=110 )

"New build is up: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OC1RABID

3D,2D,3G,GSM,Youtube.. some other fixes...

Sorry for the short changelog....i want to sleep...

This reflash your kernel to 4.5.1-134_DFP-74."

Seems to me like 2.3.4 on Defy+ with build 4.5.1-134_DFP-74 is somehow inbetween Froyo and GingerBread, and is also refered to as Gingerbread BETA in this SBF thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=966537

Does this mean a Defy+ with the 2.3.4 Build 4.5.1-134_DFP-74 SBF

is capable of switching between both recent (dec 2011-feb 2012) Froyo and GingerBread CM7 or CM9 builds as long as one does not flash another full SBF ?

(I already made a nandroid of my system to be able to go back to almost-stock as there seem to be no leaked full SBF 4.5.1-134_DFP-74)

To put it in other words:

I have a Defy+ and would like to try CM7.2 froyo (quarx) Nightlies and also try dual boot with CM9 froyo Nightlies.

Seems Quarx's December 2011 - January 2012 builds are based on same kernel as my stock-sbf.

Is there any reason I could not use (quarx) CM7.2 and CM9 based on 4.5.1-134_DFP-74 on my Defy+ ???

regards /Slstr

Stats for my unmodified DEFY PLUS

System Version: 45.0.74.MB526.Retail.en.DE

Model number: MB526

Android version: 2.3.4

Baseband version: EPU93_U_00.60.00

KERNEL VERSION: 2.6.32.9-gbad50c3

hudsoncm@il93lnxdroid52 #1

Build number: 4.5.1-134_DFP-74
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeonardoJegigzem:
AFAIK, you cant downgrade the kernel cause the bootloader dont allow you to do that, cm7 with froyo kernel may work,

Changing rom that are GB kernel based works on the Defy+, CM72 and CM9 must work on your Defy+!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slstr:
Thanks for answering Leonardo!

I found some more very interesting info regarding Kernels (and 2.3.4 Kernel)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20152629&postcount=1633

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20150761&postcount=14406

This post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22209959&postcount=2837

and this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1482481

seems like some users can mix n match easily now :)
[HTC Sensation] Spr33y:
Running CM7 Alpha 10.

In Settings -> About, the baseband shows 10.15.9035.02.

However, when I do getprop "ro.baseband" 10.14.9035.02.

What's the problem? :confused: CM7 does originally come with the 10.14 baseband but I'm almost sure I updated my baseband to 10.14.

Thanks in advance
[HTC Sensation] malybru:
Hi,

This is a known Sensation bug.

For some unknown reason the radio shows one number behind in hboot, and now you have found it in .. Getprop.

The number in version baseband is correct.

:)
[HTC Sensation] Spr33y:
Thanks for the fast reply!
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hudl:
First, let me tell you, I really love Google and Android. I would never buy an iDevice because - well - I don't love Apple.

After watching all YouTube videos and reading all rare tests, I was very excited about the Galaxy Tab 7.7. Nice specs, super speedy, great display, etc...

Today I got it - more or less by accident - and with full of expectations I turned it on to show it to my colleagues. In the videos I saw every device jerking and stuttering and I thought: ok, all these widgets and live wallpaper - I will remove them and then this thing will fly!

Fly? Pfff.... "Smooth" is a foreign word for this device. Even with NO widgets on the screen and only some icons on one page the old Transformer TF101 is faster and a lot smoother! Hell, even my 2 years old single core HTC Desire is a rocket compared to it! I can't believe, that Samsung is not able to get a halfway smooth experience with a dualcore, 1.4Ghz CPU!

As I told you, I don't love Apple, but they get a super smooth experience on a 600 to 800 Mhz, 4 years old device while I NEVER saw this on ANY Android device. If you are honest and compare these 2 systems, Apple has done just a better job performance wise.

I don't think the hardware is not able to render menus, zooms and lists smoothly. Google has to improve it. Samsung did its job by adding the ugly touchwiz, which brought the performance down to zero.

A guy wrote on his blog, that Android will never be smooth, because of its system. It just can't be. Never. Google has to rewrite the code to get it smooth.

It's just awkward if you present your iColleagues the "new best device" on the market just to be laughed at when everything stutters. Pfff... I really hope that Google makes performance the number 1 priority in future Android versions so no iDiots can laugh at one. That's really awkward and I'm really disappointed... :mad:

Maybe I exaggerate now, and to be honest there are more important things in life. But it's just sad, that after years Google is not able to make it smooth like Apple had it from the beginning. Apple has done nothing than taking existing things, put them together and make them smooth with an eye for the detail. This I'm missing in Android. An eye for the detail.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] diesel556:
I think you might have received a defective unit. I have a TF101 and the new Tab 7.7 sitting in front of me right now, and when the TF101 is set to it's stock max clock of 1ghz I can notice a slightly faster response from the Tab 7.7.

It's not a big difference, but it's there. Perhaps you were comparing your stock clocked Tab 7.7 @ 1.4GHZ to a 1.6GHZ overclocked TF101?

If you really want to wow your friends, search for 1080p in youtube (or download from Nvidia) and play the Nvidia PureVideo HD 1080p Test on multiple devices at the same time. It is mind boggling how much better the colors look/pop on the Tab 7.7's AMOLED display. (Yes, I know that the screen is only 1280x800 and therefore scaling)

Oh, and that blog post you are talking about. It's from a bygone Google intern.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] hudl:
I did some benchmarking:

Quadrant: 4088

Smartbench 2012: Productivity: 2692, Gaming: 1719

CF-Bench: 12622,2470,6530

Linpack: Single: ~53, Multi: ~85

So, these results are great and I don't think my Tab is defect (my TF101 was stock btw.). But what I mean is user experience. Videos are great looking and video performance is also impressive, but I rarely watch videos (I use my 12"Lenovo x201 Tablet for this) and benchmarks don't count for real world usage. I always get micro stutters and REALLY bad is the performance when adding widgets (I mean really bad!) or going into the app drawer. There is nothing to hide. I don't think that the hardware is the cause for that. It's just software.

And you are right, the blog I was talking about was from an Ex-Google guy. But if we are honest, he is right - Goolge has to improve user experience to compete with others (WP7 is also smoother with less CPU power for example). I don't mind if that means breaking things - if everyone is excited and buys devices, the devs will surely rewrite the apps. Or make a (slow) compatibility mode or something like this. For now Android grew because of its price - it would be fine, if it would grow because of user experience imho...

I hope ICS will improve it. A lot...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] diesel556:
I tried adding a widget to my screen and I did notice stuttering the first time, however every time I added a widget after that was very smooth. I haven't noticed any stuttering while going into the app drawer.

When you talk about Google competing with others like WP7, what do you mean? Android's only real competition at this point is iOS:

http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/09/ios-marketshare-up-from-26-in-q3-to-43-in-octnov-2011/

Also, your comment about Android growing because of it's price is a rather simplified view. If price were truly the reason for it's growth then why do the majority of people (in the UK at least) choose to purchase one of the most expensive variants of Android hardware?

http://www.mobileburn.com/16862/news/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-top-selling-android-smartphone-in-uk

I want to see Android grow just as much as you do, but I don't seem to have the same disdain that you do for its current iteration.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Marand55:
I would agree with you to some extent. I was slightly disappointed too when I first turned it on. I was thinking why in hell such a great hardware is so logy? I think TW and HC but specifically TW makes the whole experience awkward. So as with my other Samsung android devices, I got rid of TW and installed AWD launcher. The experience is totally different. 7.7 is now smooth and fast and just works great.:)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] nascar24usa:
Just give me a larger font, so I can read!!

+1. I have had absolutely no worries with response time, lag, videos, hang ups, stutters, app drawer response, etc. My only problem is I can read my 5.3" Note a heck of a lot easier than my 7.7" Tab. Now if ICS fixes that, I am good to go. I am very critical, and yes, Android does need to consolidate and be sure when they release updates, etc., they function as well as the iGuys do (don't like i) I don't use TW at all, never have, beyond the first 30 minutes, currently using ADWLauncher EX, extremely fast, reliable........

Everyone has their opinion, and I respect all, just I have found the 7.7 to be everything as advertised, only if I could read the text on the bloody thing!!

Please, no suggestions to increase font, anyway or anyhow, I have tried all and if you do this, you affect that, not worthy of discussion. ICS may resolve, at least, I am hopeful.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] diesel556:
I agree, the application name font in particular is quite small. Thankfully this should be fixed in ICS. :D

"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system." - http://www.android.com/about/ice-cream-sandwich/
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] nascar24usa:
Perfect

Thanks for the specific quote:

"For improved readability, you can also increase the default font size used across the system."

Now, when will we get ICS, so we all can standardize our experience to each of our needs.

Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Gilbot:
I'm looking to replace my 10.1 with one of these tabs. I will say that after running CM9 on my 10.1, anyone who is annoyed with performance the stock ROM has will love the difference should someone maintain CM9 for this device.

Performance is night and day on CM9. There are couple things keeping me from buying this right now and that's the fact that 32gb+ versions aren't available and that I question CM9 support for this tab. I think CM support will come eventually, so that's not the biggest factor holding me back of the two.

I'm positive once people are free from stock they can see just how well this tab will perform.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] burhanistan:
Honestly, this is kind of tiresome. Why bother with calling people iPeople and making it some kind of battle? You didn't invent anything so why act like it's somehow your technology versus theirs? People like their iPads and that's fine.

But I think you maybe should've at least checked the performance of the video you were going to display prior to show & tell time so this embarrassing scene didn't have to happen.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
I just posted up a video that is slightly in response to this topic. Have a look! And while you're at it, check out my other vids! ;)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Theory:
hudl

I'm sympathetic to what you are saying. (See earlier discussion in thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1464192; Jade Eye Wolf's long reply has been quite helpful to me.)

Couple of questions:

1. Does using a different launcher make any difference to the subjective experience? (E.g., using ADW EX or GO Launcher EX instead of Touchwiz.) My own experience is definitely much better with ADW and GO (I settled eventually on this) than with Touchwiz, widgets and all.

2. What are the properties of the video you were playing. Could it be that it was encoded at an overly high rate? How does the same video play on the Asus? Could there be some codec issue?
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] diesel556:
For those who aren't interested in the hma5000 "slimstick" bluetooth handset, here is a link to the clip of his video that talks specifically about the Tab 7.7's performance, or you can skip to 3:30 manually.

http://youtu.be/8OHZbPv1Tsc?t=3m30s

Thanks for the video Jade Eyed Wolf, adwex looks to be very very fast on this device.

---------- Post added at 07:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:14 PM ----------

You're welcome.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Alcibiade:
Just change your launcher... Yes TW launcher sucks, whatever the HW. And yes Samsung is to blame for this

The article you mention, even though quite interesting is from an ex Google INTERN... Not exactly a top gun either... even if he may be a very smart person

Anyway I can tell you: I have an original Tab, ie rather old HW and under BOCA ROM with Launcher Pro I don't get any stutter, even with many widgets (Oh and my Quadrant score after overclock is pretty close to yours ehehe. 3900ish)

Hopefully upcoming firmwares will fix your issue. But then again just changing your launcher should do the trick
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] monakh:
TouchWiz is THE SUCK and absolutely evil! Honestly my Nook Color with its single core CPU felt faster with its optimized CM7 build.. I have used a Prime and there is no comparison. Everything is slower on the Tab but I think changing the launcher will help.

An obvious indication of the slow response is when you press the power button to wake the Tab up from sleep, the screen doesn't come on instantaneously. I mean WTF is up with THAT?

Sent from another Galaxy (Tab 7.7 via Tapatalk)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Shlomikalfa:
HoneyComb + touchwiz are SLOW!!!

Tried all sort of different launchers, seems like they are working better then stock... which REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!

Anyhow, waiting for a proper ICS release, maybe that one will have a better launcher and will work better...

Have a nice day,

SK.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] EarlZ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rha2jJXCy8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaurAFNrrA

It is also explained and showed on this unboxing and walk through video.. Im not really sure if its TW or Andriod causing the lag but im hoping its just TW.

EDIT:

After watching JadeEye's post its now conclusive that its just TW.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] lucid:
Excellent

My eyes like a slightly bigger dpi settings, I would like 380 or something.

I can read my Note fine, but for the Galaxy 7.7, which I still need to find

a dealer for, I'd like to know if higher DPI is possible..

THat is.. until we get some icream and I can just size the font :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] FernandoMiguel:
that would require you to either shrink the screen or increase the resolution 4 times.

none possible at the moment :)
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] lucid:
I just need text to be bigger throughout the whole operating system and applications.

Up close my eyes are 80%, which I think sucks. So i always bought the biggest

screen that comes with a phone. So after enjoying the note for a month, i heared about the 7.7 and now want/need that/.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Valveking:
I just ordered one of these from Negri and I have a couple of Noob questions. I own a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the lag has gotten to be so bad after they updated it with TW that it is practically unusable. Does installing a custom launcher require rooting to get rid of TW? Secondly, do the custom launchers have tablet friendly versions in the market or do you just use the phone versions. Thirdly, when this thing gets ICS, what will happen to the custom launcher? Can you just turn it off if you want to use stock ICS? Thanks in advance. This forum is great.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Uvaavu:
It's Touchwiz.

Bin it for ADW EX or something else (I find ADW the best personally). TWUX is just really badly optimised on Honeycomb and drags the device down. Get rid of it and you'll feel sooooo much better about the tab.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] jimmbomb:
So HOW To "just get rid of it"...??

Do you need to root??

Just D/L ADW from the Market & install it?

Will that just 'cover up' TW'?? and not 'get rid of it'?

I will get mine Tuesday.. I have never rooted or changed ROMs on any device yet that Ive had/have.

But I want this 7.7 to be smooth...

thanks....

How to "get rid of it"..???/

thanks again...
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] Zero Masamune:
Just install a launcher and press the home button and checknthe square.

"always use this action" or something and select the launcher you've installed.

If you root it and uninstall/freeze TouchWiz there is a chance to (soft)brick(?) your tab.

just remove all the widgets on TouchWiz and use your new launcher.
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] jimmbomb:
Thanks alot!!