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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EnVy MoNtOyA:
Yeah that's what I suggested but then I thought to myself how can they inforce age on the net?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bear gri11z:
Ive been a "stalker" on xda for 2 years.... I just recently made an account
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bear gri11z:
Some sites require a copy of a state id/id number (SMD forums dose this foe their NSFW forums)

Obviously very risky for id theft

EDIT: sorry for double post
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ludrose:
They should have a test to determine membership
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
I had a hero and just because I have been a member under this user name for 6 months doesn't mean I don't have another for a og Droid that I had ...too
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hoopsdavis:
That's a good idea. (The membership would have to be lose, without membership you can read threads but no add to them. You can also download, you just can't comment.)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
one of the hackintosh boards I joined did a test before they would let you post in anything but the noob section...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
Facebook has a age limit but that doesn't stop anyone from getting around it ....kids are pretty good at breaking rules these days
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] anthony67:
Soooo....you admit to breaking rule #14??

14. Create only one User Account

You are allowed one User Account at xda-developers. If you create additional accounts, Moderators will disable them and your original account may also be disabled or infracted.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] philupjfry:
I've been watching this messaage board for a while and I wish people would stop replying to these eidos in the first place
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Lol. I was thinking the same thing. Oh well whatever.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ANTHONY81L:
Ok enough with the "policing" on how xda should or should not operate . Its a nauseating topic .. It runs perfect .. Your going to have assh0les and opinionated people wherever you go. Im in the mood for some updated ics ... I hope this over heating problem gets fixed soon ... CHROME BROWSER , REAL TIME TALK TO TEXT AND ALL THE GREAT CM9 SETTINGS ALONG WITH TREBUCHET .. VERY EXCITED
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] allroy1975:
I think I've been at XDA too much...check this out.

my kid: I'm so excited for my birthday this year, when is it gonna happen??

me: STFU and stop asking for ETAs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hoopsdavis:
LOL That's just wrong.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
*falls over* lmao, good one man.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] allroy1975:
seriously though......we're not allowed to be excited? that's just stupid. and ....if I'm a dev and people are clammoring for my ****....I'm flattered. what an ego boost!

I just don't get it. I'll go back to lurking now.....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EnVy MoNtOyA:
Damn that's too extreme for me LoL
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SuperSwagSauce:
My thoughts exactly. Last thread I brought this up in got closed though so be warned..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] T.C.P:
back on topic guys, reason sbrissen hasnt release alpha 2 is because rild is on 49% of the time, even when not in use, thus causing battery to get hot, and discharge faster, here is proofz http://pastebin.com/g9BT6cSU
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazyflipj:
Thanks for the update. I'm sure alpha 2 will be released once its ready. No rush

Sent from my Epic Galaxy S2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hoopsdavis:
Thanks for the heads up TCP.

How's the progress coming along as far as resolving the issue?

No rush we all need solid battery
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
I assume the advice from chris41g on twitter did not resolve the issue then? Damn, so close! All I know is, these circumstances have driven me to develop a bad case of obsessive compulsive disorder in checking the forums and twitter... I think I gotta disconnect for a bit
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ophois:
No wonder people leave this website. Drama drama drama.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Will of fire:
Common guys we lost viperboy let's not lose another dev. On topic after flashing alpha to play with again this time coming from blazer my mms wouldn't work even with the fix but with cm7 before they do If i don't wipe
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dougiefresh36:
A rumor is out about jelly bean being announced this summer.. already -______________-
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Saw this, about tablets being being able to dual boot Chrome? Stupid...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MeWarning:
A simple short essay will suffice:

What does a naked woman feel like?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iSaint:
ummm plastic ?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] FlowingAway:
The Evo 4G and Evo 3D forums were never this consistently hostile. Seems like every thread I open gets derailed and turned into a b$%^& fest. That's all I'll say about that.

About this rom. I love it. I would use it for my daily if wifi worked. Sprint 3G is a frickin joke in East Tennessee. Feels like I'm on EDGE lol

Keep up the awesome work devs!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mattix724:
You guys are terrible at staying on topic... I thought this phone would have more intelligent users in the community.

So, back to the subject at hand... Let's keep the forums clean.

Sent from The iPhone killer, Epic 4G Touch using XDA premium.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ophois:
This would only determine whether someone is A) above 18, which isn't a measure of maturity. B) if they are some fourteen-year-old who couldn't keep it in his pants or C) whether you're interested in women or not.

On-topic reply: Dat kernel
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ANTHONY81L:
i dont understand why "MEMBERS" NOT "DEVS" are on constantly posting about the "RULES" of xda ... STOP it .. this is a discussion thread .. to DISCUSS whatever we want . FREAKIN HALL MONITORS ARE ANNOYING . if u dont like whats being talked about dont click on the DISCUSSION link just check to see if theres an update and move on . And relax sbrissen is not going to cancel this project do to the convo on the discussion thread . hes not working his ass off for nothing and i guarantee hes proud to be the 1st one to bring ics to this phone so STOP POLICING . u people sound like bitter nerds
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
"Devs" don't bother posting about the rules; they just stop Dev'ing....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
I wish people would stop *****ing. Or *****ing about *****ing. Does anyone in the know know if the chris41g advice helped fix the overheating issue?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
I think I saw something either here or at Rootz, from Chris about that, or, that he had been consulted about it..

No fear, Scott will get this fixed soon!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
I read his suggestion on twitter last night but never heard anything further. I hope it helped :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SuperSwagSauce:
*****ing about *****ers, *****ing...?

Hmmmm
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RichTJ99:
I saint - Who is that girl?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] smurphdogg:
Some of you guys are rediculous, Jesus tits.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KBizzle:
Gina Carano
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
...and now RichTJ99 is going to Google her name in hopes of getting some juicy images :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blown00gtp:
http://files.nealrodriguez.com/pics/charlie-sheen-women/gina-carano.jpg
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
Rich, wait till you see the other side :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blown00gtp:
The other side = endtable ass!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hrffd:
I was going to install this to see how it's working out so far, but I keep getting an issue when trying to install :\

I installed the ALPHA1 (which is the Teamhacksung file) to my internal SD card, and when I try to install the .zip I get this error (I didn't wipe ANYTHING and /system isn't mounted)

assert failed: getprop("ro.product.device") == "SPH-D710" || getprop("ro.build.product") == "SPH-D710" || getprop("ro.product.device") == "epic4gtouch"

E:Error in /emmc/download/teamhacksung_epic4gtouch-ota-eng.ALPHA1.zip

(Status 7)

Can anyone help out?

And to the other people, stop with the bull**** seriously. We've lost alot of devs for this phone as it is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nibrwr:
You need to use a stock CWM. I downloaded and installed chris41g's EL26 repack. It works.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hrffd:
Oh, i'm using the rogue. In guessing that's the problem. Thanks very much.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blackroseMD1:
By the way, guys...Alpha 2 is up in the dev section.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
https://twitter.com/#!/sbrissen23/status/170258398053543936

New build and it works AWESOME. Wifi + Mobile Hotspot + 3g + 4g + Browser + Gmail + MMS (receive) :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] scarmon25:
New build is up in the Dev thread
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ks2332:
**** yeah

sent from my awestacular epic faux fizzle touch
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
It's snappy as ever guys. Wifi is working perfectly. Your gonna love it :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Does external SD mount now?

Sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Not just yet. But with a 16GB internal, who needs it :P
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazy_smokezalot:
See 4G working on cm9!!! Never say its not possible... Keep your hopes real high. Take this with a grain of salt I read somewhere that ET4G should be getting ICS ota update after the end of march... Im not saying thats official at all
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Vandam500:
Freaking awesome! I'll flash as soon as I get home :)

Sent from my Epic 4G Touch
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sanchez:
Just a heads up for those flashing.

I was coming from EpicAOSPMod and here's what I did:

- Didn't wipe anything

- Installed CM9, stuck at Samsung screen

- Went back into recovery, which changed to CWM 5.5 (CM9 included)

- Wiped

- Installed CM9

- Installed GApps

- Didn't re-wipe because I don't use google calendar

Booted up on the first shot! Holy moly this thing is fast.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rizdog23:
Now I've gotta think of a reason to tell my girlfriend why i wont be texting her back in the next 15 minutes haha great.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] metro77279:
I have it on, the camera,wifi,4g don't work so far but it is nice
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DaisyPlucksta:
Link to the OP

Here is the link to the Original Post with the Alpha 2.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1475359

I had to search for a bit to find it (not that hard really, but hopefully this saves someone some time...)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Camera wasn't fixed in this build.

Wifi + 4g are working though. If they aren't for you, something went wrong. Did you wipe data? Try wiping data/cache/dalvik and reflashing Alpha 2.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
well, did everything I did on Alpha one, but, now getting "Unfortunately, setup wizard has stopped"..right after =it boots, and I go to touch the little Android dude...

Any ideas?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Reboot to recovery, wipe data/cache/dalvik (don't reflash) and reboot :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] digweed4me:
I am at work God damn
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mattykinsx:
People that use more than 16GB of storage? ;-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Well stick with TW ROMs for now then, cuz it's not fixed yet :P
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
tried it, but didn't work..

Is there a newer GAPPS for this version?

When I flashed it without GAPPS, it works fine..

thanks
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Nope, GAPPS 7.1 is the version to use.

Flash it without GAPPS, then reboot to recovery and flash GAPPS 7.1 and it should boot up fine.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
Tried that, and had the same problem..

Are you using the GAAPS in the OP, or is there a different one?

thank you
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Used the GAPPS in the OP.

Start clean, wipe your data/cache/dalvik, flash ICS Alpha 2, boot up, reboot to recovery, flash GAPPS 7.1, reboot.

What ROM are you coming from btw?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sabbathia:
Awesome, Wifi working. Many thanks. Much love for your work.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sanchez:
Confirmed Wifi and 4g working :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
well, I was coming from MIUI;

I wiped and formatted sytem, and it didn't work

I then wiped again, and flashed bubbys cm7 first, as I had done several times before, set it up, then did as I have several before for Alpha 1, then rebooted, and installed Alpha 2 again, but, still get the same problem

It only happens after flashing the GAAPS in the OP...

I've flashed Alpha one many times with no issues, so this is weird

Maybe I should just pass on GAAPS, and flash the porgies separately from the market??
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Without GAPPS you won't have a market :(

This is the latest GAPPS build straight from Goo-Inside.ME - http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-ics-20120215-signed.zip

Came out yesterday and it's for CM9. Maybe give that one a whirl?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
Only missing piece is a functional camera at this point and then it will be my daily.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazyflipj:
Anyone know if this rom has the 911 bug?

Sent from my Epic Galaxy S2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Onumis:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! installing now!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ker0zene:
Same here.. once Bluetooth and Camera are fixed I'll never turn back!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
ok, I will try that, but I'll have to get that on my phone somehow..

plus, I think that this Alpha version, is not REALLY a true CM9 version, so a "real" cm9 GAAPS probably won't work..

I'll try it shortly, and post results here...thanks for all your suggestions and help!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Really glitchy when scrolling in an app like xda

sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Not positive, but I'm sure not calling to find out. Hahaha. Hopefully someone who has a connection with a 911 call center can test it for us.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazyflipj:
Same here hopefully I won't have to dial 911 any time soon lol

Sent from my Epic Galaxy S2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] shiftr182:
The bugs I have noticed for Alpha2 so far: when talking on the phone, the phone will reboot after a minute or two, also experienced a few random reboots within the first 20 mins.

Also, I think root is broken, or mounts are r/o for data. When I run for "/f %%a IN ('dir /b files') do adb install files\%%a" (which worked on alpha1, and all other roms) I get adb segmentation fault.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
Anyone have issues with contact sync? I've got no contacts! It indicates that it is syncing in the account settings... Used the gapps in the OP of the development thread
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] locoboi187:
I just want camera to work and it's my daily :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
adb root and then adb remount, should solve your issues. I noticed they aren't SU by default, but it doesn't break root. Trust me :)

Haven't had this issue at all. All my contacts synced up perfectly :)

Gmail, Calender and Chrome Bookmarks too :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
Have you tried listening to a voicemail in Google voice (if you use it?). Borked for me. Screen turns black and nothing happens
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Fixed the glitching scroll problem....under settings in the development menu I enabled 2D hardware acceleration

sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Onumis:
I'm having the same issue. I'm rebooting now to see if it makes any difference. The 4g screen under options to turn it on is wigging out lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
sorry about quoting myself, but I wanted to report that the "new" GAAPS" fixed the problem for me!!

thanks again for the help, man!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard Knight:
it was the same in alpha 1, but that can hurt other things. with that turned on, facebook pages didn't load. can't speak for if the same thing happens in alpha 2, gotta wait until out of work to download it. can you try it out and let me know?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Nice tip! Thank you :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Facebook is working g like a charm

sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] edress714:
I did the same buy its still glitching. Any other way around it? It bothers my eyes
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
So google voice voicemails do not have audio. Speaker or headphones. Odd
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] agentfazexx:
So the alpha posted today, I have a question. I am on Calk's 2.8.1 ROM. If I do a nandroid backup in CWM, can I just restore that after doing a factory wipe when I am done playing or do I have to do other steps?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
After a reboot I now have contacts though!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] edress714:
The glitches went away with all the apps except Facebook turned it off and everything works except Facebook. Weird huh
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sanchez:
Dunno if this is happening to anyone else, but my battery seems to be charging in reverse. The more it charges, the lower the % goes. And it went up as the phone was dying. It's like it's showing battery empty level instead of full level.

My phone's a pessimist :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
I'm messing with....in the file explorer it is still glitchy

sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
Chrome beta is not working for me... Just freezes when I try to click anything. Stock browser for me..? Lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
Sounds like your phone is discharging faster than it can charge, do a battery pull
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] edress714:
Now its working like a charm lol rebooted it. Gotta love reboot
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Oi file explorer is good..... root explorer is glitching for me

sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] anthony67:
I don't see the contact sync in the new Facebook...is it me?? Isn't there another way to sync??

Also....I was just at 65% battery and did a reboot and when it came back I was on 11%....weird.....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
Is anyone's chrome beta working properly? Just curious. Like when you try opening new tabs and such? Mine is not registering touch input after clicking new tab
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ks2332:
I only get random reboots on 4g :( meh oh well
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
My tabs button doesn't work properly, it hasn't yet on either build, but I think that may be a Chrome issue? Not sure, but everything else works fine on Chrome.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] smurphdogg:
Mine is stuck on the boot screen...won't even go to boot animation.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] shazbot:
I hope the next update is going to fix the screen pixelization. Then I'll be golden. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] EmperorX:
Hmm, mine is pretty much worthless. Entering text in password fields borks it as well as navigating anywhere. It works perfectly on my og galaxy tab... So I have no idea what the deal is. Unusable in this state. Will keep it installed to see if future updates take care of this, unless it's a ROM thing. Thanks for the response!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Freeroot:
Cause I can see where this is headed: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1484440
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] edress714:
My mobile network just stopped working. Said turn off airplane mode to make a call when airplane mode was off. Once again reboot worked for me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Kinda wondering why odumb felt the need to say anything. First of all an infraction isn't a vacation, it's a warning. Second of all, what his problems with a mod are, are his problems. Doesn't make him a "dbag", makes you one for wasting your breath with negative comments towards other members.

Back on topic though, as this isn't really the place or the time - ALPHA 2 IS AMAZING :D :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blackroseMD1:
Yep...that's happened to me a couple times now.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazy_smokezalot:
If u get a boot loop WIPE DATA!!! Ppl let's read more often!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] smurphdogg:
thanks but i fixed it and thats now what it was....glad you guys just jump to conclusions thinking people dont read the op.......

---------- Post added at 05:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:47 PM ----------

messaging keeps crashing :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iBustCh3rries:
this is just beautiful! my only deal right now is the glitchy screen but that is minor get camera working and this is a DD! Great work on this rom keep it COMING!!!! AAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! (that is a yell of happiness!)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danial723:
Nice to play with.....still not a daily for me.....the screen glitch hurts my brain stem

Sent from the near past
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Will of fire:
Screen is so pi elated maybe if we under volt it will fix it?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] krazy_smokezalot:
Sorry just typical person don't read and just flash... I see ppl getting error code 7= its not a stock cm7 type recover.... anyways try to re download it and flash no issue with SMS for me just sent 20 SMS as a test to my contacts all responded they got the text
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blackroseMD1:
Have you turned on Force GPU Rendering in Settings>Developer Options and then rebooted? Seemed to fix the screen glitching for me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Freeroot:
I can see why he would be mad since....it is.. in the OP... which means if they had read it.. like all the people who aren't coming on here going "HEY, WHY ISN'T BLUETOOTH WORKING" or the ever popular "OHMYGOSHYOUGUYS, 4G AND WIFI WORKS" all the other people who are sifting through this garbage are constantly facepalming because no one reads anything. If it's a known issue, thank you for thinking to report it, but there's a reason it's a known issue. I'm sorry for the rant and I'm in no way directing this at you, because you are most definitely not the only one. If this is going to sprout some tangential argument, meet me here, okay? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1484440
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] blackroseMD1:
I may have found the fix for this issue...still testing it though. Go into Settings>More>Mobile Networks and make sure that System Select is set to automatic instead of Home only. I also checked the box for Data Roaming, but I don't think that matters either way.

Edit: Nope. Mobile network just dropped again.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] agentfazexx:
Nobody answered this...I'm on this ROM: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1332837

If I flash the zip from 2/16, can I just restore from backup after wiping to get back to normal?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 510jungleboy:
wi-fi

Anyone get pass the " Turning Wi-Fi on " screen? My phone is trying to turn wi-fi on...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
Yep, backups restore fine.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Specialksg1:
Yup yup, should be just that easy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] agentfazexx:
Is the existing CWM kernel touched at all with this zip?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Specialksg1:
Yeah, you get a completely different version of CWM with this CM9, but when you restore your back up it puts your old CWM back on ... speaking of which, what version of CWM are you running?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] agentfazexx:
No idea. I recall green text if that rings a bell.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dbaybay:
That'd be ROGUE Recovery. You'll need to flash CWM recovery before installing ICS I believe.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] pyrostic:
BUG: While talking on the phone if you plug in your charging cable, the phone will switch on Airplane Mode. If you turn off Airplane Mode you still will not be able to call out, until you reboot your phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sanchez:
Just tried a bettery pull, same thing. Going back to Epic for now.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gershee:
flashed this (alpha2) directly over cm7. flashed new gapps. wiped cache. wiped dalvik.

10 minutes. no problems so far (except the one's stated in the OP)

anyone notice the brightness seems very dark or is it me?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Specialksg1:
Yup, Rogue won't work. I had to restore my cm7 backup in order to flash CM9.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hoopsdavis:
As you're listening to a vm, just continue adjusting the audio, it seems to be only working at one level.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] agentfazexx:
So is this a daily driver? ICS on my Acer A500 in alpha is a daily driver.

Don't want to go thru all the extra effort yet.