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[Motorola Droid RAZR] zeidof:
I dont think so, it means the moto is cheating us, and there is no way to unlock our current phones,

shame on u moto

sliced by my Razr on Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] jake21:
Probably not; my guess is it will be nearly identical hardware with a different signature for the bootloader. I can sort of see this approach had it been done at release time; but after the fact this is a total cop-out. Given that samsung and htc do not have lock bootloaders on us carriers I think the only thing moto will listen to is a vote with the wallet...

So yea I chose the razr over the alternatives with this upgrade; but to be honest this crap with micro-versions (bigger battery, unlock bootloader,...) AFTER the fact combined with moto change in policy after the fact suggest this is not a company I wish to deal with in the future.

(after all they did claim they would unlock the bootloader by end of 2011; and it was htc who did the unlocking int hat period).
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pswin09:
Yes, me also same Razr may be my last Moto phone.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
Van someone found a screenshoot, or à cached version of thé official Motorola homepage where he annouce in october the future unlock of our razr ? I need this to make à complaint in the customers help service in France.....

This page disapered miraculously.... harry potter below this ?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] dligon:
i would go for the asus padfone unless it has nvidia files cause if you look at the lg g2x forum you will see the angst that the devs have with nvidia not giving up source for the g2x and lg blaming nvidia and vice versa. You probably will be in the same boat with the lg x3 trying to dev on it.

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moto will probably give us a tool to unlock our bootloader after this phone comes out. but the will make you register you phone and imei # and once you do that say good by to your warranty.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
Don't hold you're breath. From a company standpoint whey would they release a tool that would stop a revenue stream for them. NO ONE should buy this dev phone. We need to hit them at their wallets now. Moto just became more evil than Apple today.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ~BSOD~:
:mad::mad::mad:

I hex you MOTOROLA. You will never be happy! Around you money will fall like rain. You won't hold it. Your heart will pain! Once the customer has been with you, to the next he/she will be true!

Double hex you :mad:

How can a company expect more money even after black patches on screen, grainy camera and of-course the world famous LOCKED bootloader. :mad:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] omyg:
best case scenario: roms will be compatible with original androi razr and/or razr maxx, the only difference - developers edition will have official support and warranty with with firmware
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
I want to say same...

If moto release an unlock tool, nobody want to buy the dev version......

And fu.c.... if you want an unlocked bootloader you are not necceserly à developer... just à guy who want à better system.....

I change the "hello moto" by **** moto".....

Seriously...... it s ridiculous..

Moto say :"we hear comunity so we release à new unlocked phone...... Motorola.... learn to read..... we never ask à new phone.... just unlock the actual....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bebeau25:
WOW!!! This will be my first and last moto phone. What a terrible company. If I'm going to shell out more money for a new phone, I think its going to be a nexus or rezound.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xxspark89xx:
Here is a bit more of an explanation of what's to come from the Moto support forums:

https://forums.motorola.com/pages/home

What I can take from it, Motorola plans on "releasing the unlocked device in the US in coming months." Well, with that line - the only logic I can interpret from this is that only specifically released devices will have an unlock able boot loader, with no indication of unlocking previously released locked devices.

I hope that is not the case, for Motorola's sake.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Semseddin:
IF MOTOROLA DON'T UNLOCK MY RAZR'S BOOTLOADER AND KEEP THEIR PROMISE, I WILL SELL ALL OF MY MOTOROLA DEVICES, I WILL CLOSE MY MOTOROLA FAN FORUM WHICH HAS 3000 MEMBERS AND MANY VISITORS, I WILL EVER NEVER BUY A MOTOROLA AGAIN AND GIVE BAD FEEDBACK TO PEOPLE ABOUT MOTOROLA WHENEVER I FIND AN OPPURTUNITY.

ps : i am a motorolan for 10 years, bought maybe 50 different moto models till now..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] painterceessie:
Come on moto.

This is not good for selling more phones.

I think if you got more roms you can play with the more interested people get to buy a razr.

Moto does not do the right thing with this.

But hell,I am just a housepainter.:D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] nespresso33:
For me, this is not such bad news.

Maybe a roundabout way from Motorola to give us a unlocked bootloader.

There is hackers here who can if someone buy this "dev phone" give us the same bootloader.

Obviously if this is the will of Motorola.

Nobody believe like me here ?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sonicfishcake:
That's kind of my thinking but we've seen phones that people have got by mistake with 'engineer' bootloaders and the devs haven't been able to do anything with them as there has been a slight hardware modification on these models. Hopefully that won't be the case with these new phones but I'm not too sure.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
Hate to say it but I think Motorola learned from the popularity of the original Droid. It was unlocked & easily customized & even though successful, its revenue stream was dramatically impacted by too many customers unwilling to upgrade in a timely (yearly) manner. Think about it, if you could get your phone to keep pace with (through the efforts of the dev community) the next 2 or 3 newer models & os features, wouldn't you think twice about spending the additional money? It's the Razr's edge of engineered obsolescence.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Except its not carefully worded. It says SOFTWARE releases in the blog post at http://Moto.ly/icsboot
[Motorola Droid RAZR] reachking:
This is a google cache sometime in 2011

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...04l0l11398l6l5l0l0l0l2l747l2360l3-2.2.0.1l5l0

Unfortunately, web.archive.org didnt archive the MOTO blog.

Good luck!

Edit: if you want a google cache version of any website, the syntax is "cache:http://website.com" (type in the google search box)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

Gives us a better case is we need to go legal on them.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] HYE_TECH:
I havent used a Moto device before my Razr since the days of Nextel... Chirp... Haha...

But on a serious note, if I would of done more research about the locked bootloader, I really should of waited for the Galaxy Nexus instead of jumping the gun and getting this Razr on impulse.

I love the premium feel but I want more custom ROM options like my fellow Samsung and HTC users (which I both used, a Vibrant and G2).

And to make matters worse, they release the Droid Razr Maxx...seriously?

It's clear Motorola's motto is to screw customers and to make money at any costs. I can surely tell you this is my	first & last Moto Android device.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sgt. slaughter:
I thought Motorola came long ago out and said they would provide unlocker for all devices in future as long as the carrier allowed it?? And it seems with that big VZ is not allowing it as typical crap they pull, no?

Also I know they said the developer edition would come to the US BUT since its sold through MOTODEV, doesn't that mean it could just be gsm and on ATT or someone else, and it it is CDMA then big ol VZ would still have to allow activating it on their network, no??? Would you be surprised if they just didn't allow it on their network?

And all this is besides the whole price tag It's coming with. How many will pay full retail for it? Not near as many that got it at the 2yr contract price.

Just wondering, as the razor looks like a killer phone but I've been outa the loop with all the MOTO stuff since they announced they'd unlock bootloaders long ago as long as carrier was ok with it...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sgt. slaughter:
Yup example all the evo3d owners with the 1.5hboot. They can only use HTCs unlock method and still to this day there isn't a way to get the ENGHBoot we've had forever.

All depends on how its locked up.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
I think I'll bail on the RAZR once a more interesting device comes out. I really like the thinness of the RAZR...and so far it's unmatched. I'll probably go for a Sony device later on.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] abesh:
Apparently the RAZR Dev edition is being sold "without a warranty" : http://www.visitm.de/en/razr-dev

Why would someone pay that much for a phone with no warranty ?

Also since most of us have a RAZR with a locked bootloader, I am guessing that the people with a locked BL RAZR will far outnumber that with the unlocked BL DEV RAZR. Given what is possible with a unlocked bootloader (dev opportunity wise) will be greater, still how much will be the user base for the custom kernels/apps/roms etc given the fact that most of the people will still have a locked RAZR ?

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Just looked at the first question of the FAQ here : http://developer.motorola.com/products/bootloader/faq/ . Very interesting indeed. Overall I would think that the DEV RAZR was released by motorola to circumvent carrier and other regulatory restrictions... I also would think it would be fair enough to hope that the unlocked BL can be safely ported to the other RAZRs (locked ones). Because then only can a proper development community foster around the RAZR which is Moto's flagship model.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xxspark89xx:
I think I pointed out a pretty substantial flaw in Motorola's methods.

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/18326dd2fe

Bottom line: Essentially, you cannot have a locked-down foundation of devices and expect to make a profit, if any on selling separate development devices. Motorola is leaving up that wall between current LOCKED devices and releasing only UNLOCKABLE "Development Edition" devices of the same hardware.

How on earth is that going to work? Every user who currently owns a Motorola product would have to jump over to a development device just to have that unlockable bootloader? That's absolutely absurd.

No matter how you put it, there is no way I can logically see this "method" working to satisfy the development community AND the enthusiasts that support the developers.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
It's a stupid business decision on Motos part. Wouldn't it be cheaper to unlock via software vs having to sell/market yet another model? Besides the user base for roms/kernels will be so weak that it won't be worthwhile for developers either!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xxspark89xx:
Marketing, yes. In terms of the device itself, I think they most likely took some overstock original (Non-MAXX) RAZRs and flashed a bootloader update. (That's all it takes) Voila! New product!

Now that the MAXX is released, who wants a regular RAZR with below-average battery life compared to the MAXX? With the mass-production of regular RAZRs, it appears that its a way of them trying to get more "bang for their buck" by also trying to please the development community. (Or so they hope)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
It's strictly a short-term move to try to appease the petitioners & it's not unique to Motorola. Companies get into the habit of prioritizing immediate gains over long- term strategies in order to please the shareholders that are screaming for profits NOW. Make no mistake, it's always about SHAREHOLDER satisfaction, not CUSTOMER satisfaction. Follow the money trail, Motorola has to maximize profit now in order to broker a smoother transition in the Google merger. Either that or you got some greedy executives trying to squeeze out as much as they can now because their days are numbered; hopefully Google won't put up with this behavior.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] greg_mp:
guys, if the motodev phone and the standard razr are really the same, it's just a work of extracting the unlocked bootloader+first unlocked kernel from a motodev edition, then apply to another razr... I'm sure it will be possible to fhlash normal razr and razr maxx with moto dev bootloader, which should solve our bootloder issue...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
Do you think this could be a plan to appease the dev community without disobeying the carrier's mandate? Wouldn't it just be easier to leak it or "accidentally" leave it too long on the cheesecake server?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
some peaple, like me, never buy a razr MAXX, if I buyed a razr, and not a galaxy nexus, it's for the slim razr, buying a razr MAXX is one large phone....

but this marketing methode a stupid

Moto released the Razr with 2.3.5, he promised an ICS and unlocked bootloader

After, moto release a Razr MAXX, same as the first, but larger and bigger battery, all other hardware same, with 2.3.6

Now at the place of an unlocker application, he release a normal Razr DEV, exactly the same than the first but on 2.3.6 and unlocked bootloader

what is the future relase ???? a Razr MAXX DEV ?????

and who are so stupid, to buy a new razr same as the old but just with unlockef bootloader ???????

You never think there are not just developpers who want a unlock ? simple customers want it !! never think about lambda guys, who just want to flash a better version of the android release, and not develop this himself ???

And seriously, who know about this Razr DEV ? peoples who already have a Razr.... I'm stupid, but not as much as it.... I will never buy an other 500€phone for just developp on it and WITHOUT warranty ...... and I am not 500€ to spend for this, I already spended 500€ for my RAZR ......

Motorola, you will never sale this Razr DEV phone, you just make many angry people !! who never again buy a Motorola device And we'll just make the bad publicity for motorola

Ah ! and attempting mass complaints against motorola for false advertising and compulsory sale.....

PS : sorry for my poor english.... just an angry french razr user (Finally, while I would not have exchanged against a Galaxy nexus or Sensation XE, or one other phone, but with a realy customer care)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] greg_mp:
I think this is the plan. I am pretty sure verizon (that is giving motorola the money they are earning...) verizon refuses moto to unlock the bootloader. This is the reasonn why the release this phone in europe only today. And they are going to release another modele in US, outside verizon network.

And as seen on motodev page:

Other than the unlockable bootloader, what is different about the Motorola RAZR™ Developer Edition?

There are no other differences between the Motorola RAZR™ and the Motorola RAZR™ Developer Edition other than the unlockable bootloader.

It makes le think it will easy to extract or DL the Dev razr image from the motodev website (it is already the case with the xoom) and flash the image to other razr.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xxspark89xx:
I have a feeling there may be more than just that. Something as small as an e-Fuse configuration would prevent the possibility of loading an unlockable bootloader onto a device with a locked bootloader.

Either way, there is absolutely know way to know for sure until the device is finally released and an expert DEV gets their hands on it.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] markp1989:
from what I have read here http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/3...ou-need-to-know-about-motos-bootloader-plans/ it doesn't come with any kind of warranty!

No way I would pay the best part of 500€ for a phone with no warranty support! even if it is a dev phone, what about common hardware issues?! The cynical part of me thinks it may be a way to shift Razrs that failed the initial quality control

There must be some kind of law against selling a electronic item with no warranty against hardware defects?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
I'm not sure, I will see the laws, but I think, in Europe at least in france, it's illegal to sell something without warranty !

Suppose the phone have a hardware problem, (without change any rom) you send it to motorola support, and he say : no sorry you signed up with motorola for not have warranty on your 500€phone ....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Wiplex:
They sell it without guarantee. Warranty in the EU is required by law for at least 12 (or 24) month ;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
Good point :)

I wait for this DEV edition and if he sell it without any warranty, Glinnglinnnggg (moyey sound) go to complaint :) thanks moto :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sgt. slaughter:
Seems some of you are thinking this will be way easier than it actually could be. Like I said earlier just because you can get an unlocked bootloader doesn't mean you can load it on all razors. Example the evo3d and its hboot can't be downgraded. We have the ENG hboot but the new phones are currently still unable to flash that and its been a long time like that too.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] I Am Marino:
Idk if its been mentioned but the dev edition has ZERO warranty, it screws up, you're done.

Read that today.

-Sent from my Droid 2-
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Huey85:
read up a couple of posts.....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] zeidof:
agreeeeeeeeeeee
[Motorola Droid RAZR] larrygeary:
It's funny how classified military computers can be hacked and nuclear weapons secrets stolen, but the bootloader in Motorola's little phone is absolutely impenetrable.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ralphie0108:
Cause it has so much power it would be dangerous in the wrong hands. LOL! As the commercial says.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
I wonder how Google is going to respond when the company they just bought goes out of its way to alienate the customer base they've spent the last 5 yrs building?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] larrygeary:
I agree with those who wrote 1) Maybe Moto is getting rid of excess RAZR inventory this way and will only sell the MAXX going forward, and 2) We are getting screwed.

Specifically, Moto is screwing the devs who spammed their social pages and forums. And why not? What percentage of RAZR owners even know what a ROM is, never mind want to flash a customized one? 1%? 0.1%? Probably 99.9% of current RAZR owners don't know or care about this issue. So Moto gets back at us, and maybe sells some more phones. If the dev models don't sell, they lock up the bootloaders again and sell them for cheap in another market or keep them for warrantee replacements. Either way they make some money and let dev's and enthusiasts know that we don't matter to them.

Once the phone is out, some dev should get one, and a project should start to crack the bootloaders on the locked phones. FMoto.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Well there's a return period for the device right? If a unlock can't be done for the regular devices (i.e. everyone else) just return it.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It's not even software that unlocks it unless we get a new official update to the bootloader. It's the e-fuse chip.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] larrygeary:
Some people bought their RAZR back in November and December, and the return period is long passed. And that doesn't help people who bought the Bionic, which came just a month or so before the RAZR, and which is also locked.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xxspark89xx:
I think they were referring to purchasing the Development Edition RAZR and attempt to extract the unlockable boot-loader. Then just return the RAZR for a refund within the return period (If there even is one?)

If the boot-loader can be extracted, then it will be worth the hassle! If not, then oh well - you can just get your money back.

This is probably directed towards those few people that even know anything about manipulating the boot-loader.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
I can almost promise this won't work. Moto wants to make as much money as possible and I bet the bootloader will have a different sig than current models. That will make it worthless to current owners.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Like I said two up, this is a HARDWARE change to the E-Fuse chip.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] BATC42:
Yes, the bootloader is locked using a e-Fuse chip, so it's hardware but to unlock it it is completely software, and you can even lock it back if you want.

That's what I thought too, but I've checked on europa.eu (the official website of the EU) and now I think it is a bit more complex than that. I've send them an e-mail to be sure about it.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xTremePower:
you are for motorola ???

1% ? Lol,

if you buy a powerfull device like Razr, you are not noob in flashing, at leaste 50% peaple want an unlock on whey phone

and after all.... if it's 1% or 50% or 25%, why this 1% have to pay one again full price to change here razr for an exactly same razr ? so this 1% developpers have a lot of money to spend ?.... I don't think this 1% is stupid.....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] larrygeary:
No, I am not for Motorola. I said they are screwing developers. But they advertised this phone as a phone for everybody, not just devs, and I think you are mistaken to think that 50% of buyers want an unlocked bootloader. We are a very tiny group who care about the bootloader. No, we are not stupid. We will not buy the new phone just to get the unlocked bootloader.

What Moto is doing is wrong. It is evil. But it is what it is. I don't think more yelling at Moto will help. I think a better approach is technological - use our knowledge and resources to crack the bootloader. Maybe start a RAZR@Home project if more computing power is needed. I don't know. This is beyond my knowledge.

Or just wait for now. Do not have a stroke or a heart attack over this. Moto software and ROMs are "accidentally" left on servers where devs can find them. Maybe soon a bootloader unlocking tool will "accidentally" be left there.

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Non, je ne suis pas pour Motorola. J'ai dit qu'ils sont vissage développeurs. Mais ils ont annoncé ce téléphone comme un téléphone pour tout le monde, pas seulement devs, et je pense que vous vous trompez de penser que 50% des acheteurs veulent une bootloader déverrouillé. Nous sommes un groupe très petit qui se soucient le bootloader. Non, nous ne sommes pas stupides. Nous n'allons pas acheter le nouveau téléphone juste pour obtenir le bootloader déverrouillé.

Quelle Moto fait est mal. Il est mal. Mais il est ce qu'il est. Je ne pense pas plus criant chez Moto aidera. Je pense que la meilleure approche est d'ordre technologique - utiliser nos connaissances et de ressources pour casser le bootloader. Peut-être démarrer un RAZR @ Home projet si plus de puissance informatique est nécessaire. Je ne sais pas. Cela dépasse mes connaissances.

Ou tout simplement attendre que maintenant. Ne pas avoir un AVC ou une crise cardiaque à ce sujet. Moto logiciels et ROM sont "accidentellement" laissé sur les serveurs où devs peuvent les trouver. Peut-être bientôt un outil de déverrouillage bootloader "accidentellement" être laissé là.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] black_air:
This is what i believe
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Nope that probably (I'd give it a 99%) won't happen.

The RAZR Developer Edition is running the same bootloader of the regular RAZR: yeah, the same. I repeat: THE SAME.

Have I already said that it is running THE SAME bootloader?

Okay, stop, the only thing that changes in the Developer Edition is the content of the eFuses that can't be changed on our devices. The eFuses are OTP (One Time Programmable).

The bootloader reads the content of those, then acts as locked / unlockable / unlocked / factory unlocked (engineering device).

The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,

--kholk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Pretty insulting. Out of all the manufacturers, I really wonder why motorola is going out of their way to keep the bootloader locked?