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[Galaxy S II General] afonsov:
All this subject was disgusting. For me, Entropy512 and others acted like a gang. I'm yet to see a kernel done by Entropy512 for SGS2.

I enjoyed void and Phoenix, but also enjoyed Speedmod, Neak and Siyah, being this last one the one I'm using currently. But Phoenix seemed quite smooth and fast.

As a final user, what I really want is speed, smoothness and a good battery life. What I don't like to see is this type of war among devs. Simply disgusting. :-(

afonsov
[Galaxy S II General] michal_alton:
Knzo poor you. So many devils are on your back, including other devs, mods and users. Hunting for a witch begun.

Go to non-original development section, advertise your kernel as "I took other people work (which you can find in others kernels for free) and made many changes (1?). Could you please donate me your hard earned money for it?". I'm sure it would be a legit statement but would you make much money out of it?

Don't think so.

As for some comments, please don't make such a statements "it was the best kernel for US it is not true. It maybe for you but it definitely wasn't the best one for ME.
[Galaxy S II General] FallenOut:
this subject for me

on the contary is not disgustin

they didnt acted like a gang

bt as a team

they see this claim as a lie

they brought the truth out into the open

so that end users can see for themselves and think

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as many hav suggested this should b done in PM

bt then many issues will b swept under the carpet

the others with their evidence prove somethin

kzno on the other hand

just ignore those evidence and just sprout more words

they were once when he put the battery charging current thingy in his kernel

when ppl ask him somethin about it

he skip it and lead the topic off

he doesnt seem to know what it does

bt he still puts it into his kernel

there were many times

when asked for his evidence to support his claims

if he does have it

why not just show it

if its valid then everythin is ok

bt no

he still chooses to ignore it
[Galaxy S II General] Entropy512:
I've had a kernel for the USA SGS2 since early October.

As to "gang" - We are a (fairly loosely organized, and mostly independent) team, we cooperate with each other, and as I've stated before - cooperate with those who are willing to cooperate. knzo, however, decided to make false claims regarding our work and his own.

I've been considering releasing over here, but I am not a fan of blind development for a device which I do not own, and the testers which I trust to provide accurate feedback are all running ICS at the moment. :P I'm not going to release something to the general public that hasn't been tested, like knzo did with his I777 release which managed to still have a broken keymap.

I've made a point of making developers who are cooperative aware of my work that might be useful to them, like the fuel_alerted wakelock fix, improved debugging for deleted_wake_locks, and (most likely) in the next day or two, a fix for Bluetooth HID compatibility with newer bases. So even if you're not running my kernel, you probably have some of my work in the kernel you're running. In fact, if you were on void (and probably phoenix), you had at least one of my fixes for a wakelock condition in the kernel.

knzo, on the other hand, used other's work (such as my fuel_alerted fix), but made it as hard as possible for others to analyze, review, or use his. As I understand it (I was not around for this past incident), in the past he has made claims that others have stolen his work even though their code was clearly committed first. (A few people have indicated that there was a past argument with gokhanmoral in this regard.)
[Galaxy S II General] omniwolf:
i can't believe Godwin's Law hasn't been realised.

disappointed you guys..
[Galaxy S II General] geoff_allix:
Stop bossing people around you nazi!
[Galaxy S II General] apeiron6:
I think that this thread should be closed because of pointless comments from many users.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
With a bit of good will you would probably have been able to realize, that knzo was talking about / referring to his Lionheart governor in its actual form, as used in the new Phoenix kernel released on Jan. 23.

With the bad will you had - may it have been for good reason - due to things that may have happened in the past as mentioned by you - or not - you ended up splitting hair. Chewing words and letters without paying attention to the context in which they were used.

According to what you say, the word lie only fits here when talking about the old Lionheart governor which was described in droidphiles thread / description but not when talking about the new, actual version Lionheartx ( meanwhile renamed to Lh).

You talked about the one, knzo referred to the other.

Conclusion: your "case" is mainly grounded on your attitude towards knzo and consists of few substance after all.

Final words: don't misinterpret my words as taking sides here. I'm not the one to judge the matter be it technically or concerning wrong behaviour in the past. But you should not sail under the false colors (pure objectiveness) when blaming others to do so.

GT 9100 tapatalking
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Apparently there is a way to turn it into some emotional blah blah drama crap again, ignoring all the hard evidence.
[Galaxy S II General] pikachu01:
And the same case for Simone201 and gokhanmoral as well? :/

It doesn't make sense.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Please learn to read before posting.

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[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
I followed the discussion when it started and it was even for me clear that everybody was talking about the old lionheart and not lionheartX. It is a cheap excuse to say he referred to the other now and even renaming it back to further bewilder the topic.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
The reply to Entropy512 Jan. 25 - clearly referring to lionheartx:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=21803141

And even a bit earlier:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=21781454

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[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
you obviously failed that one pretty badly.

Anyway, it keeps me entertained :D
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Here, I quote it again, have a go at reading this.
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
This wasn't the beginning of the discussion but somewhere in the middle where he tried to defend himself. Entropy quoted the post already several times and i won't do it again. Go a page back and look at his post.

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[Galaxy S II General] Entropy512:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21820112&postcount=1261

Note that I specifically call him out for posting a patchlist that is not relevant to the discussion, as the discussion was of his false claims regarding Lionheart, NOT about LionheartX.

The specific quote was:

"Not entirely relevant to the discussion, which stemmed from your false claims regarding the original Lionheart."

Edit: And also, "Also, for reference, keep in mind we've primarily been speaking about the original Lionheart lately, since it is the one you used as an example to make blatantly false comparisons against other kernels with."

I have ALWAYS made it clear that I was talking about the original Lionheart, and in knzo's firsts posts on the subject, it is clear he is speaking about the original Lionheart. The post you linked was the start of him trying to reroute/misdirect/confuse discussion by changing the topic. When that failed, he started playing name-change games by taking LionheartX (which had some significant differences from Lionheart) and renaming it back to Lionheart.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Oohps Grimaldi still alive ;-) The post you quoted was the one I reffered to. Reread my post once more.

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[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
And now excuse me, I have a life to live. Bye pals and have fun splitting more hair...

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[Galaxy S II General] kimitza:
True zikarus..well said..now to all....get a life, will you?ok..."bad" knzo is gone.."good" guys have won...everybody's happy...some of us will still use knzo's kernel...some won't...the earth still turns, the moon din't crashed on earth...the sun didn't implode...and we get to live another day....now what...please close this thread as it has no point...the damage has been done already...
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
it was fun whilst feeding trolls ;)

It was also fun seeing ppl with no grasp of the situation getting slammed by concrete evidence.

good entertainment value and is of relevance to gs2 forum.

Demonstration of both intellectual prowess as well as the mentally challenged end of the spectrum.

Fun fun and educational :D
[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
i was already thinking about closing the thread but sometimes is better to let things die by itself which is happening now.

treat it as safety valve for emotions.
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
cringing reading this thread :o catch yourself on folks ffs arguing about bloody kernels,etc :rolleyes: delete this and just move the f**k on i say.....
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
It's funny how the people who say to "Move on" are people who have nothing to do with the discussion and are the only ones "keeping it alive". ;) Stop posting and it'll die on its own like all the last page threads. :D
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
It's embarrassing the state XDA in general has become and it's cringeworthy threads like this that are enough to put people off from bothering to come on here anymore and many good people no longer post on XDA anymore, cant this sort of thing be done via PM in a dignified manner instead of grown men hurling insults at each other over bloody kernels, get a bloody life FFS.

XDA has in general gone to the ****ing dogs with the amount of bloody noobs and the amount of arguing and backbiting and sniping, i never recall it being like this 2 years ago, something has to give:confused:
[Galaxy S II General] Entropy512:
No, it cannot. - I could not say it any better than Andrei. If someone engages in public fraudulent behavior, then the response shall be public. Only people who have something to hide handle matters such as fraudulent technical claims via PM.

If someone has a valid technical criticism of my code or a patch that's useful, I'll take it in and thank them. (got a cleanup inbound to my source tree soon...)

If someone attacks my code by making false claims about it, a person who makes an effort to only comply with the bare minimum legal requirements of the GPL and not the spirit of cooperation and sharing behind it, they'd better have a damn good technical defense of their claims. knzo, as it proves, didn't.
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
I'd rather it be done publically. The people who DO maintain things in an efficient way do it in a civilized manner. Sometimes emotions get the better of some, but that's human nature. No biggie as long as they're man enough to apologize if they cross the line. And the fact of the matter is, there are rules as some have very eloquently discussed, have to be applied to everyone. It's not because someone has a big userbase or fanbase that he is immune to this. Telling others to "Get lives" would mean that everyone who's sacrificed "Life time" to code for people should also "get lives"?

And the whole comment about XDA in general... I'll refrain from commenting other than saying that all social network and forums live this. Good rules and ethics is the only way to go.
[Galaxy S II General] pikachu01:
Funny that you didn't reply to my post about Simone201 and gokhanmoral's stance in this. :/

Pleasantly ignoring facts isn't a way to get your point across in an argument/debate.
[Galaxy S II General] hacksome:
Switched to good ol' SpeedMod till things cool off .
[Galaxy S II General] PhilAd:
I have been strongly remembered to the "Darkyy" discussion. A Flamewar occurred because his ROM was GB Themed and had a changed build.prop which then showed a Android 2.3.x instead of the real base 2.2.x

So such discussions are not rare at XDA but human.

And of course they are also emotional and I can see emotions on both sides and especially by those who are not really involved into this.

For myself I have been trying both kernels and both kernels have another audience. In my case no Kernel worked for me because BT is still not working correctly.

INMO the discussion must be stopped. I think it is in the interest of all users, devs and semi/kang devs to keep the variety. knzo did not exceed the limit so that we have to say that he did act in a criminal mind. So maybe the community can tell him how we can keep him and the kernel at xda.

So maybe it is because he used the wrong words in his thread to describe something and he should choose the words more wisely or his thread has to be moved to another category or he has to credit something or he has to advertise the paid app as optional app or all of that or something totaly different.

If you choose the way to adjudge someone not by pm but by open discussion you should do this also "open".

It is then up to knzo to accept it or not.

I would like to see a solution which could be accepted by knzo and comprehend by the community. Maybe one day we will have a Customized Kernel with working BT then :-) poorly I have to say that I am too lazy to get into it xD

IMHO

PhilAd
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
Entropy already has a bt fix which he's testing at the moment. And i would also say that he did exceed his limit and acted in a criminal mind because it's not the first time he does things like this and was warned before when he used code from others saying it's his own. I see it as criminal to remove comments to hide "stolen" code because this was the reason he got cought the first time. And there is absolutely no reason to remove comments from existing code besides wanting to hide something.

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[Galaxy S II General] PhilAd:
yeah maybe I have the wrong view on that topic because the history of the story is far longer than the 16 pages here and the phoenix thread ... that was only my humble opinion about the last pages. If it is really that clear for xda, the discussion should be stopped and there is no chance for a comeback of void/phoenix at xda anymore. He has to continue the project somewhere else if he likes to. Noone will be or can be helped with this thread if that is the fact.
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
Agree with that. The thread is pretty useless now.

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[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
It was pretty useless to begin with, the original thread was closed due to hard evidence. End of story.

Yet ppl were arguing without understanding of the issue and this stupid thread facilitated the morons to voice their opinions.. prompting replies with further evidence and the eventual smack down.

n00b martyrs attacking ppl with more knowledge due to their own inferiority complex. Get a grip, no one cares how much you know, how lil you know, how you feel or how you think ppl should behave or whatever..

Quite frankly, it means absolutely jack if one can not understand why it was closed..

Soooo at best, it served as entertainment, falcon punch was absolutely the funniest point :D
[Galaxy S II General] apeiron6:
I see that intelligence isn't your strong side.
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
Stop acting as if you knew more here. As far as I know all you are is just a user like most here. I'm still to see a kernel or script you've made. So in a sense you are a noob as well. People with inferiority complex tend to make a lot of fuss to make themselves feel important. Look in the mirror if you wanna find one.

There is a difference between questioning the way the issue was handled (which is debatable) and questioning the evidence. I and others haven't questioned that at all. But you keep on relating that to noobs who lack knowledge.

In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

I'd agree with one thing though : the thread should be closed now.

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[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Why so abstract s2d4:

Knzos thread was closed after Entropy512 (and gokhanmoral with Siyah 2.6.10) had proven that the lionheart governor which knzo used as default in his former void echo kernel was no more than a tweaked conservative governor.

Knzo denied this equality calling it a lie, which was not true concerning lionheart but concerning the even a bit more tweaked / patched lionheartx govenor which he used as default in his new phoenix kernel.

All this lead to an overheated dispute, since emotions built up slowly over month due to and based on knzos behaviour since fall 2011 broke free in a sudden...

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[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Thanks for the reply.

Glad you guys took the time to identify yourselves with crowning examples of being n00b martyrs and having a inferiority complex. :D

Keep up the good work, looks like the entertainment ain't dead just yet.
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Aww man, I thought this thread was gonna die. ;) Go back to sleep, people! Nothing to see here. :D
[Galaxy S II General] BrandoHD:
The thread is not useless, it has allowed people to vent their frustration from both sides, Entropy, GK and more of the people who were involved in the matter was able to post, there is nothing useless in that.

If the thread is useless to you, just pass it by, but people come in here and read and post asking why it isn't dead, that's a bit redundant, isn't it?

I for one have learned a lot from reading this entire thread, I have learned about differences in cultures and about how people deal with each other here, I have learned how people deal with their friends and how they deal with their enemies, and also how some people view others on here, some look down on others, some see others as equals and some here are very rational and descent human beings, this is pertinent information to have for the future dealings here on XDA and I learned more from this thread about the community than any other thread I have read, so for ME this thread was NOT useless at all....
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Totally agreed with you. This thread was far from useless. It was quite informative and showed me that we ARE in good hands to a certain extent and that moderation does have its place in a community like the SGS2. It also made me discover how easy it is to steal someone's work but that others who might be more knowledgeable in the inner workings might be able to detect that quite easily.

The thread does have to rest though, I think everything that could have been done here has been done. :) Very informative thread, not only technically but socially also!
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Create a thread so ppl can vent? Sort out their emotional well being? xda-psychological help service?

Sort your feelings out yourselves or visit a shrink or talk with your friends or whatever..

In actual fact, all the reasons were stated already in the kernel thread, as well as the reason for the closure.

Sorry Fred, its good being diplomatic and all but it doesn't change the end result, which is the same as before this thread opened..
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Not necessarily so people can "Vent", but so people can find a better understanding of the issue at hand. Granted, the thread has been filled with many comments that could have been ommited easily and have very little weight in the issue at hand. But if you take a look at who drove the conversation, as mentionned, it was mostly Entropy and Knzo. And their information was quite pertinent to the issue at hand. I personally sat as an observer most of the time as I didn't wanna add any useless comments. Now that it's all said and done... Well that's it! It's all said and done! End of story. No point in being bitter about it.

A user made forum is a user made forum. It's there to discuss in any form imaginable. If someone felt like discussing the reasons behind this thread closure, so be it. Who are we to stop it? It gave a mighty good show as I first posted. ;) No point in fueling the fire any further.

And I agree with others that mentionned, "If you don't like the thread, noone forces you to follow/post/participate" ;)

***Edit***

Re-reading myself, it seems I love the use of "Matter at hand" :D haha
[Galaxy S II General] lsv-1:
What about the development of the phoenix kernel, is it going to continue? :(
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
That's a question only Knzo might be able to answer. I suggest asking him...
[Galaxy S II General] buster041284:
well said and well put
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
Useless but you keep coming here to bark and having a go at everyone who is not in your chosen side. How useful are your posts? You don't even back them up with arguments. You scour the forum ready to jump at anybody's throat. To you there seems to be two sides : developers (which you are not) who are always right whatever they do or say and noobs (which you are as well but are denying it. There were insults flying around. Still, your narrow mind can only see noobs martyrdom. I don't even use the kernel. Entropy still came here to further make his case or at least explain to us his point. GK , Andreilux, Pulser and knzo as well.I might not agree with the way the matter was dealt with but I must admit one thing : the guy knows what he talks about. So if they came over here to post it wasn't useless.

I don't have the technical knowledge to challenge them (may be you have the skill to make a new s2d4 governor ;)) and never pretended to. But we n00bs do have an opinion.

Edit : not using the kernel now but used it at some point then jumped to Redpill.

Entropy, GK among others are great devs. No question about that and I admire their skills. But they are human and can't be right all the time. And I feel, without demanding that they agree with me, that they should have dealt with the issue differently. Or at least be more considerate, as devs. Unlike you, I will never flame somebody because they don't agree with me.

I will however stand against anyone who speak to me with contempt.
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
I will endeavour to behave the way you want me to, mwahaha.

Open a clinic if you like over hurt feelings because of ppl's behaviours, keep preaching on how ppl should live up to your standards.

Reality check, it ain't going to change anything. Thread was closed for all the right reasons. Leave the emotional crap out and 90% of this thread will be gone.

Cool story bro :D
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
I wanna be last post! Stop replying! hahaha
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
I HAZ LAST WORDS :D
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
i tnx ur post n reply to subscribe thread!!!!
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
I found a new way to use tnx and subscribe thread :p
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Ok, you win. I QUIT THE SCENE AND I'M TAKING ALL MY KANGS WITH ME.
[Galaxy S II General] tylerdurdin:
Wait....I missed it.....can someone tell me what happened again?

Lulz
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] williamli1983:
Have anyone tried connecting to VPN servers on their Galaxy Tab 7.7?

I have tested more than 3 VPN servers. (They all work on PC, iPhone, iPad, Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9, HP TouchPad). When I try to connect them on Galaxy Tab 7.7, it connects successfully but fail to let me do anything once the connection is made.

I have created 2 test accounts and please feel free to test it using them or your own servers... let me know how it go...

BTW, I tried restoring. no help at all.

PPTP Server 1: pptp.vpn2.hk

PPTP Server 2: pptp.vpn2.us

Login: test

Password: samsung1234

William
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] C3POID:
Hi,

for PPTP you'll need kernel 2.6.35.x!

Otherwise you'll be able to get a connection but your data transfer will break down after 5sec-3min!

I will edit this post with a link to "Issue 4706: Droid phone PPTP VPN dying after a short while." after I'm allowed to.

A953 Tapatapatapatalk
[Galaxy Tab 7.7 General] williamli1983:
are you saying that i need to upgrade my VPN server to kernel 2.6.35.x just for 7.7? just wondering cos my VPN servers (and many other VPN servers out there that I have tried) work for all other platforms, like Tab 10.1, iPad, Windows, OS X etc etc...