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[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
your example is not related to what is happening here.

I do not care if kenzo will post here on anywhere else but i do not like as i have stated previously the way things are working here.

again, no strict rules was break and because of chidlish arguments like securing users from false advertise the thread is closed.

problem is that no other developer here is giving the proper credits (limited only to developers on xda) and everyone using misliding sentences - look at the titles and so what? there are the same rules for everyone or no rules at all

ah, one more thing. you could take what you want from the linux kernel sources, comments what you want, add or not add anything and advertise or sell it. that is how GPL is working and it is not the reason to close only one thread from many more similar here on xda

that is why i started the thread and that is why i do not like people who are talkink about higher reason when anything clearly indicate that it is only about money and worship

one more thing. i do not think that what kenzo did and conduct is cool, but spiting and insulting is not cool as well

(edit)

this is no win situation because of the childlike behaviors but silencingy people/community here by clousing the discussion when there is not everythingy settled yet is even worst

that why I was asking mod if it was just, if yes (and not everything is known public) it is fine with me, that is why i have changed the first post.

but in curse of that some developers here have lost thier respect not due to lack of skills but lack of thier own culture and behavior.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Referring to this partly quoted post in total:

I share your point of view, that certain issues or suspicions should and need to be made public.

But that is not the problem here, as a public debate was started on Jan. 24th and reached its peak on Jan. 25th.

The problem is that you and even more your follow-ups were and are argueing with moral and ethic standards you don't live up to by yourselfves. No I am not commenting on verbal failures that may happen when discussing passionately. I am talking about playing unfair since you will have to put up the question why you did not involve a Mod after the main objective arguments had been exchanged in public which was on Jan. 25th after this post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21783996&postcount=1129 or maybe these two http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21803141&postcount=1190 / http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21820112&postcount=1261.

It was not just disrespectful to all the users who asked those stirring the fire and hijacking a thread to refrain from doing so. The whole thing developed into a real crusade on purpose, ending up on very thin ice technically since your argumentation - when boiled down to its core - results in no more than semantically hairsplitting between lionheart and lionheartx - one assumed being mainly copied the other admittedly a bit more original.

Nothing worth the deal nor all the passion... As somebody summed it up elsewhere: No win - lose, just a lose - lose situation in the end. A lot of respect has been lost in due course and it is not knzo alone who is affected...

Oao for me and it will not take long since PulserG2 or another Mod spend their final words and ask us to move on...

PS Another foul play btw. was to give the impression that things had been settled between knzo and the rest of you (especially gokhanmoral) after the heating up on Jan 25th and then restart the flamewar for no obvious reason yesterday...
[Galaxy S II General] danieldmm:
You dont even think that its wird one thread with 148 pages and 1472 posts, one single post says that damaged its phone by flashing this kernel?

RULES MAN

If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.

Cheers
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
Yes!

Two wrongs don't make a right.

They think that because they made their case they had the right to say it in whatever way they chose even talking about spitting on someone's face. Questioning their manners is in fact defending kanging and being a knight for noobs.

There are multiple threads on here doing the exact same but nothing is done and those good guys coming to the rescue of customers are nowhere to be seen.

You are either with them or against them. That's how it works. On dev sections praise is welcomed and is useful. That doesn't pollute the thread. This is a very good place. But hey. Who am I? Just a noob who doesn't have the knowledge to question those great devs who have brought so much to humanity. Dev are respected when they make themselves respectable. There are many on here. I don't think that Hardcore, chainfire, supercurio could use that kind of words. Until recently I didn't think GK would either. But obviously I was wrong.

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[Galaxy S II General] kwerdenker:
My example was directly in context to the quoted answer. Please don't use it out of context. My view about the whole situation is stated in my first post here. Everything else is in response to other posts.

Let's be clear here: knzo was selling snake oil and was making money off of it. That's what got the thread closed. If you think other developers are doing the same, report the thread to a moderator and make your case with evidence and if they think so too, they will close it. That's the way it works.

No one is giving proper credits? I should go the doctor to have my eyes checked out because they seem to insert a lot of "thanks to ..." in the feature lists of gokhan, entropy, simone, etc. Granted, knzo did this to. Just in a less obvious way and not differentiating which features came from whom.

The closing of the phoenix thread has nothing to do with the GPL (at least not to my knowledge). Knzo shared his kernel code and that's all the GPL forces him to do. That's how entropy could get at the code he needed to argue his case.

I would really like to know how you arrived at that conclusion. Neither gokahn nor entropy ask for donations in their kernel threads. Knzo is the only one of them, who sells an app for his kernel with many features other kernels can to for free. So maybe you are right, it's about fame and money, you are just looking at the wrong side.

So you say knzo did do something wrong, he just shouldn't be punished for it? Seems a bit inconsistent to me.
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
i'm not talking about persons reporting damaged phones but kernel code where safety stuff was just removed. anyway this was discussed in the phoenix thread already and i don't care.

by the way: i'm working as a dev and the fact that he removes comments from the code is enough to tell that he had something to hide. no developer removes comments from his code!!
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Why that? If not on xda just find another place to continue your project...

Do not let the actual disappointment make you give up.
[Galaxy S II General] tomeks:
The question is for what and what will happens, the answer is, wait for it, nothing for you as an end user. It was more safe than playing with the battery currents by BK
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Not exactly: that's the way it should work - but in this case it was preferred not to report to a mod - even after all the arguments had been exchanged in public - but to keep on flamethrowing for another four days... And concerning the snakeoil part: on my device no orher kernel (besides Abyss, including Siyah and NEAK) reached the Antutu score I had with Phoenix
[Galaxy S II General] kwerdenker:
I'm not saying this couldn't have been handled better from all sides. However I don't believe the end result would have changed, if this business had been done behind closed doors. The user outcry would probably just have been bigger as it already is.
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
i don't know what somebody else did but for me it looks like bk has had it in his changelog so all users where aware what they flash.

and no i don't think that it is more safe because if the current is too low the phone will just shut off. but as far as i understood the stuff that he removed prevented the phone from automatically powering down when something goes wrong. anyway i don't know it exactly and don't want to spread false information. you're able to search for it on your own if you want to know it exactly. peaple that undestand a lot more from kernel developement explained it.

---------- Post added at 02:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:46 PM ----------

oh yeah, benchmark scores represent the real quality of a kernel.
[Galaxy S II General] knzo:
That's quite offensive, not just to me but to the users' judgement and perception.

If by snake oil you mean offering something that any other kernel didn't which was a rich application to enhance the kernel experience, then yes.

I've not been the first to say it and I won't be the last but this community is full of fanboys who only play blindlessly for their teams. It was the first time I got 1-star gangbanged just by changing the name from void to Phoenix. They smelled competition and immediately voted 1*. The developer crying was another side to it. This truly has been a disgusting experience.
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
Ah, you'd compare the lionheart tweak on different kernels with your feeling then...

GT 9100 tapatalking
[Galaxy S II General] pulser_g2:
Thread closure isn't a one-way thing... The thread was problematic, your responses to claims were simply fueling further claims, given the responses simply further backed up the allegations.

There were plenty of opportunities to demonstrate this isn't snake-oil. Unfortunately those opportunities have clearly shown what's going on. You seem to think you're the first person to get caught in issues like this before... That's hardly the case.

Pretty much every action that's been seen here has gone against the way people operate in the open source community. That's not something you can pin down to any one action, rather that over a period of time.

Snake oil isn't something appreciated here by anyone, users included. I shall not re-iterate everything again here, merely make a few quotes to back this up... Sure, it may not be snake-oil, but there have been a large number of inconsistencies pointed out, which don't particularly help the case this is all clear and transparent... The entire history of this, from changing names of threads, to changing names of features, just sets a bad start to the case...

Removing comments from code shows either a lack of understanding, or a wish to hide something. I regularly reject code because there's not enough comments. Comments are ignored by the compiler, there is no legitimate reason to remove them. This is a MAJOR indication something is wrong.

Part of being a member of the open source community involves getting along with other people. That's clearly not happened here, and rubbing people up the wrong way gets you nowhere.

I think the actions here have been suitably justified, and people need to look at the facts for themselves now...
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
A few hours later, its still the same.

Keep up the good work.

Btw, inferior comment earlier, it is not about a person being inferior or emotions from inferiority complex as such.

Purely just inferior in actual knowledge, just accept it and move on.

what's up with all this drama and ego bruising butt hurt ppl stemming from not understanding the actual issue.......

Still, it's hilarious stuff to read :D
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
Even more hilarious when you're the one posting.

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[Galaxy S II General] HotlipsH:
Seriously,

To all involved parties...

As mush as I love a good cat fight I have to suggest you guys pull your head out of that fish bowl of yours, take a walk, watch the news, read a book and remember how absolutely irrelevant this actually is. There is a world out there that is blissfully oblivious to whatever transpires in the world of Samsung Galaxy S2 kernel coding.

I have no doubt you guys are about the best there is when it comes to Linux kernel hacking and waking. I appreciate the time you guys spend on making my great phone even better and I salute you for that.

I guess only you yourself know why you spend your time writing and compiling kernel code so I'm not gonna presume anything. But whatever your motivation nothing is being gained by continue this bickering.
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
lol, this is epic...

Person 1: this is hilarious

Person 2: you are hilarious

Keep the funnies coming :D
[Galaxy S II General] kwerdenker:
You are right, the wording of that sentence wasn't optimal. I stated something as a fact, that was merely a personal opinion. It should have read "entropy thought knzo sold snake oil and argued his case backed up by code evidence. knzo countered this with his view on things, also backed up by code. a mod reviewed both claims an sided with entropy. I personally also believe in the points entropy made."

You are doing it again knzo. You're trying to make this something about emotions, which for me it is not. I have nothing against you as a person, nor am I specially proud of the work of any dev here. I have read both argumentations and it just happens that I find the case made by entropy more believable.

Up until to this point, you are pretty much the only person how made this about ego and competition (in a bad way). Competition in general is a good thing, because it's the driving force for innovation. It's just a question about what you are competing. The open source developer I happen to know compete about who writes the better code or finds the better solution for a problem. If it turns out to be so good that everyone else copies it, they are actually happy. That they want to get credit for that, that's only natural. Every coder has a bit of an ego (myself included). At some point entropy stated, that he has his differences with the other kernel devs, but they work them out either via research and facts or by the code. What you are doing is to try to make this a competition about money, fame and users instead. That's a completely different play field and also one, where the other devs connected to this case don't even bother to show up (again, personal opinion from what I have read and seen up to this point).
[Galaxy S II General] rauschkugl:
lionheart? ^^ no. but yes i compare kernels with my feeling because there's nothing more i have in daily usage. if it feels fast and fluid it's ok. i don't care if the number is 4000 or 8000 then. the way a benchmark tests your phone is totally different from the way you use it in daily life. and there is more to make a good kernel than performance. well at least you didn't come up with quadrant.
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
If you can't read your own language it is even worse than I thought. No wonder you are not yet a recognised developer.

Person 1: this is hilarious

Person 2: this is even more hilarious when you are posting.

Yes. Epic.

The think is I am not here to fall in love with people. And I just don't like you. That's it. I don't like the way you are patronising and speak as if you were the greatest man on earth. I am a noob and now what?? Some feel powerful because they can tweak phones other are proud because they save lives. That's the way it is.

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[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
We talk about different things here. The fuzz was all about lionheatx gov and whether the one in Phoenix was unique or could be reproduced with other kernels as well...

GT 9100 tapatalking
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Why!!! Whyyy my piggy!!! I loveded you piggy! I loveded you!!!!

:D

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[Galaxy S II General] gokhanmoral:
I read the posts in this thread from the beginning and I need to explain something:

I used the following sentence to emphasize how strong the proofs and the argument: "if any recognized developer inspect the sources and claim it has any more benefit than decreasing the sampling ratio of the conservative governor from upstream (v3.0 or higher UNMODIFIED) I would be glad to spit on his face and the one who recognized him."

in my language and culture, it is much less than calling somebody "idiot", "asshole" or "liar".

but in any case, if it is considered something bad and if any one of you is offended in any way I apologize.

I repeat: it was used to express how sure I was about the case.

and the if condition doesn't include knzo anyway :p

please accept this post as my public apology. I always tried to avoid being arrogant and never hesitated to accept that I was wrong & apologize.
[Galaxy S II General] ficino:
I am learning a lot lately. Like spitting on someones face is not much of an insult in some cultures. Overhere, The Netherlands, you can't do much worse actually....
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
I'll be glad when you release a kernel and an app to show us noobs what a great developer you are Sir. Don't kang and don't make up governors. Use proper code otherwise you'll feel the might of your peers. For now, I just don't like you. Can't help it. Get me banned if you wanna punish my insubordination.

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[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Cry me a river o... oooo... oooh

Hello xda-how-much-love-you-have-for-me!

Yay for funny.

:D
[Galaxy S II General] Galactus:
LOL this thread has turned into a never ending pushing match......
[Galaxy S II General] Areg8_6:
how much hate here... this is not apple/samsung lawsuit and not a court.
[Galaxy S II General] sebarkh:
Finaly, some entertainment we have...:-)
[Galaxy S II General] mbutandola:
Yes. Some people feel that they are better than everybody even though they have done nothing special apart from testing for some devs.

Fortunately, cerebral constipation is not a crime.

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[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
And it's Arsenal! Arsenal FC!
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
........................................
[Galaxy S II General] alphaola:
Good game going on man.....
[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
A bit peeved I'm not at The Emirates but family comes first. Come On You Gunners!!!
[Galaxy S II General] alphaola:
few more mins and its against sunderland/middlesbrough...
[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
Yep, just a few more minutes. In the space of 15 minutes I went from despair to high as a kite. Arsenal sure knows how to mess with my emotions.
[Galaxy S II General] alphaola:
too close for comfort. Not comfortable with this team.
[Galaxy S II General] Intratech:
Kenny, Wenger, Fergie, Redknapp and Boas sitting in a pub. Wenger goes up and buys the first round of drinks. Boas the second, Redknapp the third, Fergie the fourth. Kenny buys the next but Fergie complains "Where's mine?!" Kenny replies "Sorry pal, this is the fifth round and you're not in it.
[Galaxy S II General] alphaola:
I hope no man utd fan here,that would be another round of whats already going on here.lol
[Galaxy S II General] hallydamaster:
Arsenal Force Closing? What app is that?!?
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
Go go man utd!! :D
[Galaxy S II General] beggar23:
Apart from any governor issues, void.echo was and still is one of the best kernels here. Imho quite sad that in the end XDA moderators acted that small-minded.
[Galaxy S II General] alphaola:
:D for that am reporting you to a moderator... Where all these moderators. :p
[Galaxy S II General] freemini:
I've read this thread more carefully than my school books. I will just say that I really liked void. It is the main reason I even thought about buying the app, as an appreciation for a kernel I liked. Phoenix however, from my point of view as a user, was different. People reporting battery issues and most importantly 4 vs 1 battle. Knzo explained more towards the users with little to none source evidence. That got me thinking, and seeing this thread only proves to me that the other great devs we have here turned out to be right. It's a general rule, if a lot of people tell you you did something bad or wrong, then you probably did. Disproving 4 devs is pretty hard, especially when all of them are pretty good and have evidence. If you read this knzo, thanks for void.
[Galaxy S II General] :
<troll>She deserved it</troll>
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Wow, better than an erotic novel with a good bottle of wine. Thanks guys!

It just goes to show you can choose the perfect phone for you and still end up with a dysfunctional dev community. ;) CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?? Haha.

And to all the mentions of noobing or not wanting to learn how things work, why not?? Learning the inner workings of android is instructive, fun and you can fix things without begging. ;) And trust me, it's easier than it looks and there are TOOOONS of guides and how to's across XDA...

Sent from my GT-I9100 minus the drama

(No offense intended to anyone here)
[Galaxy S II General] Entropy512:
Even if knzo had not started publishing a paid app, had I seen the post I've referred to multiple times - I would still have gone after it.

I admit, though, that his rename of void to Phoenix and creation of the app caused me to spend a few minutes reading through the thread - which unfortunately for him included me reading the post that started this all.

Prior to this, I considered knzo to be a hype artist and those who went along were just drinking the kool-aid - but directly claiming that other kernels don't have what you have (when they do) - that's crossing a line.
[Galaxy S II General] androidkid311:
Longest post ive seen in xda....just saying.....

looks like an iphone but powered by android baby!!!!
[Galaxy S II General] zikarus:
The funny thing Entropy512 is, that you use exact the same biasing methods that you accuse knzo of.

Being hairsplittingly precise about the "x" you manage to state as a fact that knzo accused somebody as a "liar" where in fact he wrote that the content of a post was a "lie". Got it? You are still at it.

You better come down now. War is over....

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[Galaxy S II General] Entropy512:
The key is - the content of that post was NOT a lie. It was a technically accurate description of Lionheart at the time it was posted, and knzo attacked that description as being a lie despite it being the truth. It did not become technically inaccurate until knzo renamed LionheartX to Lionheart in order to confuse people, which he did AFTER that post and his attack was made.

There is no way knzo could not have been aware I was talking about Lionheart and not LionheartX, considering that the diff I posted was clearly Lionheart, and the post I quoted when I made that diff available was clearly differentiating between Lionheart and LionheartX.

Lionheart vs LionheartX is not hairsplitting - the only thing knzo has been truthful about are the technical differences between the two, in that X adds in-kernel support for screen-on/off frequency limits and some minor code cleanups. This allows slightly faster transitions from screen-off to screen-on state - probably 0.1-0.2 seconds on wakeup for modern devices like ours (more if you do something crazy like limit maximum to 200 with screen-off). Considering it takes our devices 650 msec or so to wake up anyway - this is beneficial but it's not a major breakthrough either.
[Galaxy S II General] sebarkh:
I'm with Entropy.

It's obvious that the guy wanted some fame and money..

But now the thread is closed and the liar is out. Sooooo let's calm down and enjoy our phones... :-) Can we?

He's not worth mentioning ever again and giving him your attention.

Thank you Entropy for your caution and vigilance.

You're so XDA!!! ;-)