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[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] orlandoxpolice:
I am still not sold on the iOS
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] SGSChris:
here at the WEF

I also need to admit that I am in a bad mood right now...which prompted me to start this thread.

I am here in Davos at the wef. looking around I see only ipads. the special wef app on my tab 8.9 fcs all the time, looks terribly designed and can not be used in landscape on the tablet!

on the ipad the same app looks great andworks in landscape. that just fuelled my anger....
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] jpbutler:
None of the roms for the 8.9 seem to display hdmi out correctly or have other significant issues.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] pseudoheld:
well but that ain't really androids or samsungs fault. if someone designs a crappy app for android and a well working app for ios then of course it will look better on ios.... ;)

as for support. the older iphones aren't getting any updates and ipad1 is missing out on a lot of features that the ipad2 got via software. so it aint like android is all bad and ios is all good.

that being said, yeah samsung is being slow releasing stuff and touchwizz is bloated crap. they should try and please people releasing updates as fast as possible instead of bloating them and making them slower.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Lennox84:
I've only owned my sgt 8.9 for a month and I think th nhardware is fantastic and going from iphone 3-4s and my wifes ipad 2 to this android and samsung show they can pull it off better than apple in most ways.... But.....

Time between releases isn't practical, the features of true clean android os (no samsung excess besides ebook) are fantastic but samsung kill it with touchwiz and excess compulsary samsung apps, and the market is great but also it's own worst enemy. (but we cant do anything about that because its un-regulated so to speak). Been muking around with custom roms and my hats off to the develooers as they're are really trying to polish up and bring us the best experience possible but they're relying on samsung to continue support but sadly they just are developing enough for our developers to improve on.

It's sad when a combination of 2 great products with both ability, style and funding can't bring it together and focus on fewer models or realeases to perfect something thats already almost there and really flex there muscles in the face of the competition.

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[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] MelFranks:
This is true, I suppose it really depends upon what you are using the tablet for.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] SGSChris:
agree, but that is why we need to consider the whole ecosystem that generates design standards, a sense of esthetics and professionalism and coolness...:-)

samsung seems to push new bricks with better technology at a frantic speed but this does not improve usability. they are bad at engaging users and are terrible on the softwareside. It also seems that the ios ecosystem has the more demanding users that care less about tech and custom roms but overall usability.

I have my tab now for 5 months, there has not been a release of any appropriate rom by samsung for a 600$ Tablet! not acceptable...and my sgs i9000 is also not supported anymore by samsung...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] hariustrk:
I have an 8.9 and I feel your pain as well. I want Android to work out but it seems the manufacturers are only interested in the initial sale of the item, after that support dwindles quickly. Compare this to Apple who understands that your building a relationship with your customer. I think it sucks that the Kindle Fire has better support then the Galaxy Tab and most honeycomb devices.

App support with Android is poor at best. When compatibility has to be reviewed for each device by the developer (Hello hulu, netflix, & Gameloft!), you have a poor ecosystem. A number of really good games avail on the iPad do not even have Android the radar.

Still, I hang in there, because I don't like Apples restrictive system. Hoping manufacturers & developers will get on board and fix things. If it doesn't change in the next year though, I'm out and going back to iPad, because at the end of the day I want to use my device not hack it.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] bluefalcon13:
I can understand the frustration fully. I have an LG Optimus S, and my wife just upgraded off her Samsung Moment. Sometimes, vendor support for the latest version of android is minimal at best. In contrast, Apple EOLs their hardware, and there is no coming back from that. Every hardware update/major version release sees the previous oldest supported platform unsupported. Additionally, even the previous version sees missing features on the software side (ref iphone 4 + siri) that hafe been proven to run on the older platform.

Atleast with android, you can rely on strong dev communities to build new versions of the software in a timely manner. All weekend I ran the ICS alpha/beta and it is very nice!
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] qhinton:
I like my tab mainly for the size and form, and for 360 dollars it was a deal. It doesn't work any better them my Acer A500, which is more use full in the long run. Anyways my first android was the Samsung Moment which was terrible, htc hero, evo, nexus s, Acer A100, Acer A500, nook color, I pad 2, and now this 8.9. So I have had a lot of experience and I can surely say this is my last android mobile device. I'm tired of being a lab rat for these half baked devices all has had major problems. I don't want to have to rely on developers to fix things. I have only kept the I pad for a month and couldn't live without Google's services, but now I'm over it. Until they get more control over these manufactures to provide updates in a timely manor and manufactures fix their hardware I don't see a reason to stay. I guess the flexibility of android comes at a price and we all get burned.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Loccy:
This is a really interesting thread, because it portrays what I think would be a very different opinion versus if you asked the same question other in the dev board. And the different demographics involves paralleled a conversation I had the other day at work.

I am a complete Android head - half the appeal for me is tinkering with the thing. I see that as normal - no, actually I see that as a big part of the experience. I hate the iPad because it is so rigidly locked down in every respect. I had an iPad, but found it stifling and could get on with it even jailbroken.

I was shocked, however, when a girl at work gave a ten minute scathing diatribe on Android based on her experience with a low end Samsung phone. "But that was a low end Android phone!" I said. "It was bound to be slow and clunky. That's not a fair assessment of Android to base it on that experience. Plus, even if it was underpowered hardware, you probably could still have found a ROM for it out there that'd solve most of the problems you were having".

She didn't care. She just wanted the thing to work out of the box and her eyes glazed over when I started talking about ROMs.

It was a new perspective for me and I find myself recommending devices differently now. Time was I would have recommended the GT 8.9 unequivocally. The form factor plus hardware (in my opinion) beats anything else currently on the market. And I'd put my ICS equipped 8.9 up against any iPad in terms of user experience and I'd say it comes out on top. However, if you want a tablet that you get out of the box and use, it's not this one. The stock Samsung Android install is an abortion and unless you are happy to tweak (or have a family member who'll do it for you) it's not the device for you.

And therein lies the problem with 99% of Android devices on the market. Until vendors get over this need to differentiate their devices by adding layer after layer of bloat on top of Android, Android will continue to play second fiddle to iOS in terms of the user experience - even if that iOS user experience is rigidly controlled and prevents you from doing basic things like moving an icon a couple of spaces away from another.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] DBBGBA:
I never had a problem with android until I lost my nexus one. Then I entered the world of other manufacturers devices. So far they all suck. HTC has the ****ty looking sense the I dare to define a great punch in the face to good design, Samsung is notoriously known for making good hardware but not giving a crap about the software, I'm not sure why this is, why they think that the software is not as important to the device. My next try will be with Asus, they seem to update their software on top of having decent hardware. This in regard of tablets for phones, i'll switch to a nexus device as soon as my HTC dies or the galaxy nexus comes to t-mobile.

I went through apple and i dont like the company. First of all i'm forced most of the time at work to use imacs to work on visual effects, i dont know where studio owners get their facts, but those machine sucks for production! They are designed for customers not professionals, they have the guts of a laptop and none of the benefits. Then i have a macbook that gave me nothing but hardware problems for 3 years, an iphone 4 that i can't use because its super locked to at&t and i used to have an ipod touch which died unexpectedly during a vacation. The only apple stuff i'm kinda happy about are my two ipods that still survive (and yet do not allow, me to officially get my music out of them).

So as you can see I'm fed up with apple and their shady hardware, they killed all the great professional stuff they had (shake, final cut pro, quicktime pro, apple servers and raids) and i don't think osx has any advantage over windows anymore either.

There are two faces to every coin, but I'm sure one day I will find a good tablet/phone/computer maker for my needs, it's just a trial and error job.

Good luck with Apple I hope you'll be more lucky than me!
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] pseudoheld:
nice post mate. i totally agree with you and half the fun for me with android is the messing about and tweaking stuff. the only android phones i would recomend without thinking twice are the nexus series (because they are bloat free) and the s2 because its just and awesome device. but yeah if you have something more "consumerish" and don't feel like messing around with it you aren't gonna have the nices experience.

for the technologically unprepaired person an iProduct is probably better because it just works as they think it should (even though its awefully restrained and restricted)

i'm still running my n1 and loving it ;)

as for apple machines for production...i have a lot to do in the video sector and we use macpros with final cut (7 not x )

i must say they are awesome machines but also have a few downsides.

they are friggin expensive (as everything apple)

they are not the error free devices everyone thinks they are. only last month we had 2 graphics cards dying 1 hdd giving up and 2 OS corruptions. so the myth about apple products not breaking down is...a myth!

so yeah if you are prepared to tinker i would go with android all the way. if you are my mum or someone else that just wants to USE something and not get involved with it...then i guess the i is the way to go.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] RipplingHurst:
I showed my stock skyrocket when I first bought it, she didn't even wanted to look.

Then I installed my preferred launcher (Launcher 7) and custom roms, lots of small tricks and clean ups (hid all the extra apps like Ti Backup, Root Explorer, etc.) and let the Windows Phone 7 interface dominate with big Twitter and Facebook buttons, Big camera and email button, weather. She was sold. She played with it while I was watching tv for a good while.

If the iPhone 5 will feature yet another 3.5" display, I'll take your phone no problem, she said.

I think the Android Interface, esp. the launcher, the widget handling, etc. leaves a lot to be desired. WP7 less is more approach works for some.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] DBBGBA:
I agree in fact I'm very curious to try one WP7 device for a while and maybe start suggesting that instead of iphones.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Adapt0r:
If you need an application that you cannot live without then go with ipad. You might be prepared that new ipad3 will blow ipad2 away but this is a bout making more and more money.

I was with Apple before Android. Now I am proud not following the iCrowd.

After stripping all bloatware and services my Sammy serves me well.

In regards to ICS I tried it on Xoom and didn't see anything vitally important.

It seems that in one year every piece of hardware becomes largely irrelevant and in two obsolete.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] gligi:
its still fck alpha so whats the point here??

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this is soooo true... despite to the fact how much i hate apple as company...

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If you like to use half finished products just not to follow the iCrowd than i am sorry for u... just that.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] orlandoxpolice:
If this turns out to head towards the apple vs android debate I'm never going to read this thread again
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] gligi:
it was not our intention to start the debate, only to explain why we are "angry" at samsung at this moment. or u don't mind to throw your money out of a window just to play the beta tester for them?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Adapt0r:
Dear gligi

Thank you :-) but don't feel sorry for me, I am well.

I was with Apple since the start of iTunes and got bored. Now my iphones and ipods are sadly collecting dust.

In my opinion tablets are suited for consumption rather than for production.

Everyone chooses what is important for him/her.

I am also ok using half-baked software and paying developers. My first iphone did not have any software except a few Apple applications and no app store existed at that time. Apple was forced to offer this opportunity when alternative development started. The first iphone was really half baked. The first jailbreak could be done just visiting a website. Security was a joke. But it was a respectable (expansive too) piece of hardware ahead of time and I felt its fine to wait. Same was with the Android G1.

Different people have different perspectives.

Cheers!

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It is only about choices.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] RipplingHurst:
I wonder what's the strategy at Samsung, really. Nobody else is launching so many devices, in so many different sizes.

I mean, if you want to launch a 10.1; 8.9, 7.7, 6.6, 5.5 or whatever devices, go ahead and do it, but at the same time, release the kernel and all the camera etc. drivers (source). If you're good at doing devices, give up on developing software and just care about good drivers.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] SGSChris:
Interesting discussion - thanks everyone for engaging!

It seems to me it all comes down to a fundamental decision: what do you seek in a 500$ tech device, getting some entertainment or getting some important job done...

don't get me wrong - i grew up with c64, amiga 500, did assembler programming etc...I really enjoy the entertaintment side of tech...

but these days, I really look for a tech device to help me get some important job done. I can not do that if I only get expensive hardware that ignores the utility function of a well-designed OS and the apps that enable us to do something meaningful with it. After 2 years on Android and Samsung hardware I seriously doubt that Samsung has the latter in mind: getting some serious jobs done.

In my work reliable communications, analytics, access to prime information etc matters and thus half-baked OS and apps that are so-so and largely aim at entertainment with no commitment to professional work are not acceptable. I don't know if iOS is much better - maybe its an illusion - but I am not willing to keep spending big bucks at entertainment devices that generate huge profits for companies that have no vision whatsoever of enabling us to make this world a better place in a meaningful way - Samsung certainly does not have that vision.

I really see the potential of some solid tab but I am not willing to be a beta tester for some company without any vision. Have fun with flashing (I did for some time now) enjoy the entertainment of marginal improvements provided by custom ROMs. I am sick and tired of it. This is not a normative statement just a personal reflection for what its worth...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] MatteAce:
I actually have a sgt8.9 just because of a really good offer I found.

I had a sgt7, a galaxy next and a glorious g1.

After all my time spent formatting, flashing, reflashing, hacking and crying with these ****ty machines I had enough and I bought an iPhone 4.

Who the hell cares about MOVING ICONS, damn! I have a device that DOES what it's supposed to do!! And the app store... everything is so damn better.

I could write for months about same apps that works just better on ios but everyone knows that. And still, you're arguing that you can't move icons.

I bought a tablet which I CANNOT write on that, that is laggy and full of ****, that got stupid soft keys that go in the way all the time, and people talks about customization!

I can't even use it, why should I customize it???

I'll go back to ipad as soon as i can.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Adapt0r:
Steve J. said that customer/user should never to able to tinker with the device. Since Ipad and iphone are closed, users are spared from frustration. They will never admit that something wrong with their devices because its equivalent to admitting making wrong choice. Of course we make only right choices! Rights ?!

Google and manufacturers took a risk letting people to experiment. I like it despite moments of frustration.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] jpbutler:
I don't get all of the frustration with the samsung 8.9.

I've had mine for 3 weeks now. Gone thru a few roms and am back to the stock rom, rooted and with the bloatware frozen.

I'm. Satisfied with what i have.

Before i got the samsung, i used my droid 3 for watching movies, listenening to music, etc....

Basically all of the non productive things i used to use my laptop for pre-android.

It is the perfect device between a phone and a laptop, in my opinion.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] gligi:
nicely spoken. i went the same way maybe little more with zx spectrum 48 as start :)

as said this thread is not a debate which tablet is better. it is about how tablet(s) should be.

the people are discussing about what each table can do (or can't) so i ask u:

are tablets meant for the majority of people or only for some techies? or both?

if it is for the majority than must be simple and should just work. period.

otherwise you can customize, flash, reflash all day long. i am too tired and old for that:).

more difficult is if you combine those two worlds. in this case both points must apply. once more period :)

At this point i think iPad = majority, Samsung = techies.

Do we need or do we ever get both worlds? we need but I doubt we get that. I hoped with android this could change. But android is like windows, it is not single device os. So it is always 2 side game. ICS may work smooth as hell, but without proper drivers (hardware) from samsung it not worth a penny (as mentioned in previous post).

We have a great community here. If samsung is innovative company they should work together with community more because of the fact that android is an "open" system. I hope samsung sees that in future (honestly i doubt).

And about apple. They may be revolutionary company and do things good. It is true that first product is not always good. But sorry this is not samsungs first tablet. For god's sake apple was first, showed how it is to be done. Do it better! You don't need to invent the wheel again (beside that inventing it worse).

Where is good product politics today?

So:

1) buy an iPad and it works. Sadly some of us will miss some stuff. And you must fight with iTunes and apple formats. At the end it is not that what i personally need

2) buy Android Tablet. hmmmm... Some nice machine like samsungs gt8.9. It can do much better, but will it really?

I have used 8.9 (perfect size for me) for some time now i flashed the ICS Alpha. And ICS is great thing (must be said here). But Hardware encoding is missing and on HC 3.2 is really not usable (believe me there are many threads about this and i have reencoded most of my HD stuff to be able to watch it, only able)

so sad is our consumer life. it is not what we need but what THEY want.

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can u share more info? i would like to try the way u have done it.

i only have to say that i still have iPad 1 and i know how smooth an OS CAN work. and this is 2 year old device! i expect at least the same from samsung. sorry but it is true.

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i want:

- smooth screen rotation and app starting /switching

- to surf quick (fast page loading /scrolling)

- read my comics (this works everywhere)

- read pdf magazines with fast scrolling

- watch today's mkv 720p videos and series (some could prefer 1080p too)

- copy the stuff direct to device

- to accomplish this i am not forced to jailbreak or mod my device

Is it to much demanded? which device can do this?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] jpbutler:
I am probably less demanding in my usage requirements.

I notice that some appz need to start up in portrait. Mode or they crash.

I either start them in portrait orientation or do without them.

Mostly do without. I keep tablet lockdd in landscape mode.

Read lots of news using pulse or google currents apps.

Dont do comics or pdf magazines.

Keep pics, documents, and music on laptop, phone and tablet sync'd using sugarsync.

Read documents with quick office pro hd which can connect to sugarsync, google docs and catch.

If i want to share folders with laptop, i use samba network fileshare or direct usb connection.

Movies and videos, i use netflix and youtube. Quality is good when viewing on tablet.

When viewing videos using hdmi out, i am less impressed. Sometimes thd video is not real smooth.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] gligi:
this is specially for samsung important because they make such bad software. look only smart tv's...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Adapt0r:
Re: i want

I have to say I have only issues with some software (games) not available for my tab which is wifi only P7310. It is smooth and responsive. I use it for emailing and media consumption: books in epub and pdf, documents, flash, wmv and other webminars, video training etc.

There are various applications helping to view and connect and they are amazing: ES Explorer, MX video player to name a few. I can view files from connected servers and display my video on TV wirelessly. Simple $5 device lets me to connect any USB memory as well a wired keyboard and mouse. I don't miss internal microSDHC. Overall the tab connectivity satisfies my needs very well.

Now I am using stock ROM. Before I've tested a few customs ROMs and didn't find any benefits but broken functionality. The tab is rooted in order to remove Samsung social network services mostly and install Droidwall which cuts off internet for apps that have no business out there. The battery life has improved since as well.

For me this tab is light enough to hold with one hand, it has high res screen for its size and battery life sufficient for long business trips.

None of Android or Apple tabs are suited for business.

I've used Acer W500 tab with win7 recently. For around $500 we got a capacitive 10" screen, 2GB ram, 32GB ssd, handwriting recognition and professional productivity software. It is slightly thicker, heavier but has full spectrum of usability from consumption to production. Of course its small size is best suited for travelers.