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[Atrix 4G General] stewartsoda:
Have you ever tried to talk about modding in their forums? Have they ever unlocked the bootloader? Have they ever committed to upgrade their entire 2011 product line? Have you felt valued in your feedback to them?

Modders and hackers are just an annoyance to Moto. Everybody breaking NDAs is just another confirmation to them that they are right in their belief.
[Atrix 4G General] ensmile:
Before Google-rola

After Google-rola

Hope this SOAK is ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
A) They have no reason to allow modding talk in THEIR forums. That's where people who probably aren't all comfortable with the idea go to interact with other owners.... so they probably prefer to keep their own forums clean of talk of rooting and unlocking and everything. They clearly know that people do it, and apparently don't shun the idea, otherwise there probably wouldn't even be mention of it in the SOAK survey.

B) They haven't YET committed to upgrade their entire 2011 product line, because they aren't OBLIGATED to do so. As even they had pointed out, the whole deal with Google to keep new phones updated for at least so many months didn't go through until after the Atrix had already been released. They also have YET to say that the Atrix 4g will NOT be updated to ICS... they just haven't really said ANYTHING about it yet.

C) The people breaking the NDA about the SOAK test are those who feel self-important. They feel that somehow, because they have a newer software version than someone else, they have the right to gloat about it, even though their gloating usually entails the breaking of said NDA. Then again... The select few people they DO accept into the SOAK tests could potentially find a problem with that specific version of the OS that they might not have experienced yet. So even though there are those morons who clearly don't understand what "Non-Disclosure" means, they are still potential victims of an undiscovered bug.

I'll be happy as hell if this actually turns out to be a sneaky ICS attack.... but i'm just as happy knowing that the Atrix 4G hasn't been COMPLETELY forgotten.
[Atrix 4G General] DroidRunner:
Why can't people just wait and find out? Talk is cheap.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
I agree with you for the most part.

A) You're right, it is better for Moto and the "Average Joe and/or Jane" for their forum to be straightforward in dealing with the software they provided and reduces confusion when giving support for said software.

B) I think @stewartsoda might have been talking about Motorola had mentioned they would be working on providing a "bootloader solution by late 2011" for their phones. Of course, they never released an "Official" statement and they used the old scapegoat that it would be contingent on the carriers/operators allowing it. Which is pretty much an excuse because you will get the same story from the carriers. But alas, one area Motorola does shine is in their ability to avoid giving concrete details on anything, especially ever since the whole Cliq fiasco.

C) And I completely agree with you here, an agreement is an agreement. It's exciting to get "secret" news but it is also irresponsible.

With that said, I still can't help but feel Motorola could not give a damn about providing proper support for their devices. The Atrix appears to have been a guinea pig for webtop and they just continue to release more devices than they can handle. The Droid 4 will be released in about 26 to 28 months since the original, the Bionic (nuff said), and the Razr Maxx two months after the Razr (granted they do use the exact same software). There should have been no Bionic and no Razr, just the Maxx. And we should be looking towards the release of the Droid 3 this year but instead we're looking at 4 very soon. This all just points to a business model that uses the consumer for product testing and they strip support in favor for more incremental development.

And in a time where companies like Sony and HTC actually listen to their consumers and provide

statements of commitment to either provide updates

and/or

put more focus on quality

it is quite disheartening to see Motorola hiding in the shadows with their lips sealed and sitting on their hands.
[Atrix 4G General] island-guy:
I could never understand why Moto even goes through the whole trouble of this SOAK drama when everyone knows what's gonna happen. I don't feel like some lucky insider because I know that Moto couldn't give a rip to be quite honest. I guess they figure that if they can get you to go through the whole registration/survey/disclaimer process, you'll be more likely to be an involved guinea pig and give them your experience on the update before it gets unloaded on the masses. You gotta see the forum responses from the moment these pre-releases go OTA, everything from contacts to the kitchen sink seems to be affected. Same amusing crap that goes on here goes on there but to the third power because the average naive Soak-tester seems to thinks they're now tight with their new best friend Motorola. Ranting aside, I've participated in every Soak thus far and even though I have my bone to pick with Moto, your word is your word and I've never disclosed anything besides the obvious fact that a Soak test everyone already knows about is coming.
[Atrix 4G General] barry99705:
Man you guys are going to be pissed when you find out the next rom is Windows Phone 7! Wait, I think I just said too much! :p
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Well said!
[Atrix 4G General] djkinetic:
this made me chuckle
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
i actually have to say it would be interesting to see WP7 running on the Atrix. haha
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
If this is not ICS coming, then I will go ahead with my plans to perhaps buy the Sony Ion or S. It's a hard decision in any event because the Atrix was ahead of its time and is still a great performing device. ICS or not this phone continues to amaze me ))
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Don't know who your source is, but I heard from a reliable insider that it's iOS5! :D

---------- Post added at 08:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:16 AM ----------

I already made that decision. I'll be first in line for the Xperia Ion! :)
[Atrix 4G General] :
ICS will be great but if Motorola is not going to commit to it then I would really appreciate Gingerbread fixes and the enhancements. I have one year to go before I can look for another phone so I like my phone to have less faults. When one use his/hers phone as the primary device, like I do, then you would appreciate any enhancements, performance, and bug fixes.

I have previously provided a long list of bugs in Gingerbread for the eyes of Motorola's developers.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
i'm moving on to the SGS3 when it does come out. was considering the SGS2 Skyrocket HD but if the SGS3 is around the corner, why not wait a little longer.. i'm done with motorola devices.
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
Ill be moving on to the SGS3 as well. It be great for rhe Atrix to get ICS...but I dont see it happening.
[Atrix 4G General] facetubespam:
I'll be getting the Motorola RAZR SuprMaxxHD
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
Still not fully functional yet
[Atrix 4G General] JiminSD:
My experience with Motorola is a heck of a lot better than Samsung the Captivate's GPS never worked properly. The Atrix has been a pretty decent piece of hardware. On my next phone I am going to concentrate on call quality.
[Atrix 4G General] chaosjh:
i second this, i have yet to find a device that really feels like an upgrade. sgs2? less battery, lower resolution, and, oh yeah, it's sasung crap...

is there a "better" phone that i missed...? cause the razr is in the same boat. and don't say sgn because ics doesn't fix absolute crap hardware...
[Atrix 4G General] djkinetic:
My only gripe with the atrix is the pentile screen they used...the gnex has a pentile arrangement as well but doesn't have color banding/border on light colored backgrounds that my atrix has exhibited. Hopefully its a cm7 gingerbread thing but I doubt it
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
If only Google picks Motorola to produce its next Nexus phone...ill stay a moto customer. I like Moto but it appears they dont care much on software support. Atrix was ahead of its time...and Moto should make it a point to continue support like the OG Droid
[Atrix 4G General] HKnightz:
yeah, I think the main problem is that Motorola support for their phone is poor, despite their devices being pretty good
[Atrix 4G General] sephk:
I had the same gray banding issue. Took it to a AT&T DSC and they replaced it with a refurbished unit. This also seems to have minor banding, only visible in gray screens. I have researched about it and it seems to be a fairly common hardware problem with Atrix. That said, I am really looking forward to ICS on Atrix. Everything except the screen is still competent.
[Atrix 4G General] wintermute000:
Razr MAXX would be almost perfect if it was ICS and wasn't so butt ugly.

TBH I don't know why they didn't just release that, who the heck takes super slim over two day heavy usage capable battery. ANd its not like its particularly chunky either anyway!!!!!!

Everyone I've told about it, even diehard apple users, are lured by the promise of twice the battery of your avg smartphone.

We need bigger batteries, screw slimline, we were perfectly happy with our candybar nokias and chunktastic winmo rofl

I think something's subtly wrong with my ~12 month old atrix (intermittent blackscreens during calls, usually whilst placing them or ending them, but it could be the stupid 35+degree heat, sweat causing the raindrop effect, whatever)

so an am considering a replacement. Pretty sure its not CM7 as the problems only started in last week or so, but been running CM7 for a month.
[Atrix 4G General] getyroks:
And what, may I ask has that to do with ANYTHING about the SOAK test??
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
Nothing the testers can talk about
[Atrix 4G General] shadowed87:
how it is possible to participate to this soak test??
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
you have to be a freemason.
[Atrix 4G General] d3athsd00r:
Has anyone received the update yet? I don't want to flash back to stock and wait for the update, only to find out its 2.3.7 (or lower)
[Atrix 4G General] nosmohtac:
This is just my opinion, but if you think you'll get better support on a samsung device, that was far from my experience. Unless you have a Nexus device from samsung, they are usually the last to push out an update.

The only thing I miss on my samsung is the AMOLED screen. Samsung's battery management is one of the worst out there. The Atrix4G has the best battery life of any android I have had (stock battery, and I know the razrmaxx has better battery life but I don't have one).

Motorola phones have always given me better call quality, better signal, better external speaker quality than any other brand (especially when comparing to HTC).

I'm extremely happy that we are getting another update at all, and I have been patiently waiting for a Nexus device from Motorla since the news of Google purchasing Moto was announced.
[Atrix 4G General] Jibraldor:
Do you accept cheque or cash?
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
I'm with nosmohtac on this one, I'm extremely happy with motorola on this device. I love the Atrix, and I'm excited even if it's not ICS. The fact that we're getting another update means they still care about us. Having worked in the programming industry I know that it takes months to turn out even minor updates, even for just small bug fixes. There is a lot to testing a system as a whole, and I've been impressed that the Atrix 4G is becoming a more stable device.
[Atrix 4G General] djkinetic:
Motorola has usually always put out quality phones...reliability wise...but software updates and openness to the dev community has always been a bit lacking...i liken them the Apple actually in regards to their closed off nature when it comes to their devices...their phones will work as they intended but don't think about tinkering with them...they just announced the razr will have a dev edition with unlockable bootloader...but the catch it comes with absolutely no warranty...which to me seems like thats a bit illegal to do...consider if u truely get a dev model with a manufacturer defect...since it has no warranty out of the box you would be SOL...still hoping the update is some form of ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] nosmohtac:
I must be a simpleton. that was lost on me.
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
I think it was for good PR for Motorola, that he was wondering how to pay you for your advertisement. A joke I assume, funny. but I could be wrong.
[Atrix 4G General] barry99705:
I'm glad you explained that, cause he lost me as well.
[Atrix 4G General] nosmohtac:
Thanks, That was all I could gleen from it too.

I was just in the middle of editing my previous post to say that I don't get paid from them, but I have to travel through the rural midwest for my job and have tried many brands of phones. I have always hated the UI that motorola used to use on their feature phones such as the original razr and e815, but they have always given me the best signal strength and call quality.

This probably doesn't mean a whole lot if you live in a big city and hardly ever travel outside the metropolitan area, but it does mean something to those who have to travel through rural ares where coverage is much more spotty.
[Atrix 4G General] barry99705:
I got tired of waiting and went back to the dark side.:D
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
The phone that I had that had the best radio antenna in it was by far the Motorola razr V9. Loved that phone, it was fast, snappy, and actually worked. (finally broke 2 years ago when it was on it's second user *my mom* where the flip hinge finally gave... phone still makes calls if I wanted it to. lol, even though it's in two pieces)

the Q 9h wasn't as good for the radio, but was better for what it could do. but The Atrix takes the cake. I've had to take a few trips from Utah to New mexico via roads (wish I cloud have flown) to LANL. and more often then not between my wife's and my phone the motorola actually had service where her's samsung/HTC didn't.
[Atrix 4G General] Jibraldor:
You got it right.
[Atrix 4G General] nosmohtac:
I wish I had gotten an invite.

How do they determine who to send out emails to?

I have never been asked to be in a SOAk test.

The only downside to me would be giving up the landscape hdmi mirroring from Nottach's Wet Dream ROM.
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
In my opinion, is better to have acess to the sources than to be a SOAK tester
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
where does one sign up to be on that list though?
[Atrix 4G General] msd24200:
To late I believe besides one has to be stock to download it if they were to get picked
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
Fortunately I'm on stock. I too afraid to unlock my boot loader. I want to get on the list so if this isn't ICS I can get it if they do release it early. :D
[Atrix 4G General] island-guy:
First of all.....if you want to jump on the Soak bandwagon just sign up...period.

Secondly, they don't know what you're running on your phone and whether or not your bootloader is unlocked. They go by IMEI numbers and push the OTA to each IMEI on the list, ask everyone who bricked their phone on the previous OTA update.

Lastly, I'm hoping that flashing the 2.3.4 Fruitcake will get your phone in stock condition to successfully flash the OTA update. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I can gather, it should be okay with the unlocked bootloader as long as one is not downgrading firmware.
[Atrix 4G General] Mrglass86:
I want to stay on cm9

Until the otas are out. Will we be allowed to share the fact that it has happened?
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Mrglass: Well, technically when it DOES happen, we shouldn't share that fact, but there's zero chance that will ever happen.

island-guy: As far as i'm aware all you have to do is make sure you're running a stock ROM with nothing removed. As for whether or not there is a possibility to brick the phone by installing the test version after reverting to one of the FruitCake's, well... i'm not really sure if anyone can comment on that without possibly just making a random guess. I guess technically there shouldn't be an issue.... and reinstalling a stock ROM is the recommended approach direct from Motorola during the whole SOAK test survey.... so i don't see why it WOULD brick.
[Atrix 4G General] MacAlert:
Sign up here: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/96134d275c
[Atrix 4G General] bsinc1962:
Maybe I'm wrong but in the past I could always receive the update with a custom ROM but couldn't flash it because my recovery image wasn't stock. (ie. Clockwork Mod)
[Atrix 4G General] RobKort:
Actually you don't have to be stock. They do ask you to regress back to it once you accept which you can do easily by running RSDLite with the correct sbf for your phone and carrier.

Sent from Rob's Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] MacAlert:
Do not do this if you unlocked your bootloader! If you are only rooted, this will work. With an unlocked bootloader, SBFing will more then likely brick your phone.
[Atrix 4G General] cpuchip:
Thank you for providing that, that is exactly what I was looking for.
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
No it wont - Only if you try to flash a froyo sbf over a gingerbread OS/bootloader.
[Atrix 4G General] RobKort:
I've done it and it works. The only thing I did differently was that I used RomRacer to wipe data, cache, and Dalvik before booting into RSD Protocol. After that it was just a matter of starting RSDLite plugging the phone, waiting to be recognized, run it sit and wait. No issues, no nonsense and it worked perfectly.

Sent from Rob's Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] ngagephone:
Yes I have done it 2 times no problems.
[Atrix 4G General] MacAlert:
My mistake then. I was under the impression that flashing any SBF through RSD after unlocking bootloader was frowned upon. Guess not.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
It's definitely not recommended but using RSDlite with the official 4.5.91 SBF has proven to be somewhat acceptable. You were

right

to give a sense of precaution but it's a little misleading to say that it

will

brick the phone. :)

Always be careful and read the instructions, then read them again before doing anything.
[Atrix 4G General] RobKort:
The only reason you will brick using that method is if you try to flash Froyo 2.2 and you already updated to GB 2.3. Once you update to the official GB, you can go back. A fuse burns preventing you from doing so. So if you flash the wrong sbf your phone is toast.

Sent from Rob's Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
Almost correct sir! The reason you cannot downgrade is because of the bootloader in Gingerbread... Downgrading the bootloader is ultimately what causes the brick. Thats why Kenneth Penns original GB rom was ok to downgrade from, and the OTA was not.... His rom did not use that bootloader. The fuse that burns simply prevents the bootloader from being re-locked, and is a way of letting motorola know that its been unlocked. All you can do is hide the 'unlocked' text by re-flashing the 2.3.4 .sbf file.
[Atrix 4G General] Mgamerz:
I find it hilarious that people think this might be ICS. We just recently got builds of 2.3.5, and 2.3.6. Moto has stated that the first devices to get ICS will be the bionic, the razr, and the xoom (done). I read on the first page that 'Why would moto waste time on a soak test if its just another version of gingerbread'.

I am sorry, but you really, really need to actually use your brain. Just cause the Razr MAX has a bigger battery doesn't mean it should go through any testing? Are you really that dumb?

Let's be intelligent people. All of you hoping for ICS are going to be disappointed. I'll bet $25 on donation to XDA if I'm wrong.
[Atrix 4G General] schufly73:
I'm a Mason, where's my invite...lol
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
If i had credit card would be plus 25 bucks, motorola leakers i spoke with said motorola dont even started working on atrix, thats why they dont leaked anything yet.
[Atrix 4G General] guidoido004:
Double post... =x
[Atrix 4G General] jimmer411:
ICS isn't going to make this phone better. CM7 helped but its still nowhere near 100% and developement has stopped pretty much.

Battery life has sucked since 2.3 dropped.

The atrix was the right phone released at the wrong time from the wrong company.
[Atrix 4G General] achangavi:
ics isn't gonna make this phone any better? you should flash the 2d-enabled joker's cm9

despite the graphical glitches and force closes (it's in alpha so yeah give it more time), i didn't even know the atrix could be that fast or smooth. that cm9 rom makes gingerbread look ugly and clunky and slow, like it was put together by monkeys. I just can't wait till all of the flaws are ironed out and this rom is ready to go :D
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Not to mention if you have poor battery life, i think you're doing something wrong. Granted i haven't really used the phone that much today, but after 15 hours, it's still at 75%.... and that's on the fruitcake rom.
[Atrix 4G General] Mrglass86:
I thought so too. We are a warning happy people
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
I believe this upgrade is going to be an upgrade of the blur version. The blur build in other Motorola's devices are newer from this one. A new blur build with some bug fixes should definitely be expected.

Only after that we can expect motorola to maybe provide us with ICS.
[Atrix 4G General] RobKort:
Even if it is just a bug fix, which more than likely it is, I would like to see what they fixed or any changes made.

Sent from Rob's TapadaIconia :D
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
Proper landscape hdmi?

Sent from my CM7 Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] RobKort:
Might as well be, and we can benefit from it at the very least. Not everyone mods their phone anyway.

Sent from Rob's TapadaIconia :D
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
Hey didn't Motorola ask for testers for the Photon back on the 22nd as well?
[Atrix 4G General] twirp:
I just received an email from my account rep about a "Maintenance Release on the Motorola ATRIX 4G" due February 7, 2012. It is referred to as v4.5.141 and lists the following "enhancements":

I know it has pretty much been settled already but that sure doesn't sound like ICS to me...
[Atrix 4G General] dvijm:
So all hopes on CM9 :) .. that was an easy decision :)
[Atrix 4G General] ovitz:
this update will be only a few cosmetic changes (info from Motorola).

But on Motorola Europe on Facebook we can read "Motorola Europe: Hi Olivier, thanks for commenting. As soon as we can share more on ICS timings we will let you know. Thanks." so there is a hope for ICS :)
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Did you receive this email as part of the soak test? If so, then I believe you are violating your NDA and that is not allowed here.

Just an FYI, not trying to flame. :)
[Atrix 4G General] ovitz:
@live4nyy, I've recived mail from Motorola Polska
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, I was replying to @twirp's post, not yours.

;)

EDIT: Here is the thread stating that it would be a violation of forum rules. Just a reminder for anyone else that might be part of the soak test. :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1056714
[Atrix 4G General] v.k:
So, it's just a minor improvement over 4.5.140 (2.3.6) which we already have. Lets hope it's at least 2.3.7 :D
[Atrix 4G General] trogdan:
Here's hoping to an updated webtop with maverick meerkat
[Atrix 4G General] twirp:
Flame sheild activated!

Nope, I have not been part of any of the SOAK tests and am not bound by any Motorola NDA. The email came directly from my ATT Account Rep. I'm not sure if he may be breaking some sort of NDA by sending that info to me though. My guess is it's from some sort of ATT internal memo and not directly related to the SOAK test.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Okay, I just wanted to point it out in a general sense regardless. Thanks for clarifying. :)
[Atrix 4G General] anupash:
No smart actions in this build :mad: ..
[Atrix 4G General] sambaeallegria:
Smart actions are not so useful as Motorola said. Someone noticed big battery drain on motorola RAZR caused by Smart actions.

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