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[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Two striking facts are : Nokia is or should be slowing down on Symbian handsets and Microsoft is slowly killing off windows mobile. In this transition times, both companies will suffer a loss and that's purely because they won't divert resources to keep supporting them as much. However, you've gotta realise that these figures are also coming during transition. Thus it more or less shows a total figure of Nokia's loss. NOT Lumia's loss. As you rightly pointed out, 1 million in 2 months in limited market is excellent. As far as Lumia and Nokia's Windows Phone are concerned, I don't see Nokia or MS at loss thus far. Probably not profiting either but currently all they need is a gradual and firm market push and keep everyone interested till Tango is followed by Apollo. That buzz will easily bring everyone into this year's Christmas.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tableteer:
Go with Android, sell hundreds of millions of phones, make a fortune and don't care about licensing fees, that's pocket money

Or

Go with Windows Phone, get paid by Microsoft and still be in decline

Not a hard decision indeed.

And you think Android development will just stop until WP catches up in three years? LOL, Google is not waiting.

I am not saying that WP doesn't have potential, but c'mon guys, be a little realistic!

Right now WP is not catching up, it's falling even further behind, because Microsoft is so slow!

Microsoft needs to push out improvements much faster. And drop the stupid "no fragmentation" policy, because there's just no time to wait for OEMs and carriers if they want to catch up!
[Windows Phone 7 General] killerb255:
It's not what you say--it's how you say it.

If you present your point in a somewhat professional manner and not interject a ton of emotion (especially childish emotion) into it, people are more likely going to take that criticism more seriously rather than dismiss it as trolling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
Your vision is a little blind.

Google is slowing down, as much as Apple slowed down. That's natural, it is bound in the very concept of phone (or to be more accurate smartphone). The things you can do with a smartphone are limited in quantity. Most things you can do with Android today you could do them with Windows Mobile or other palm-oriented OS, that's because the use-cases / the functions people are instered in change slowly.

It's not like doubling the time gets you doubled functions ... it's not neary linear.

Let's think about the the evolution of iPhone. The gap between iPhone 4S and iPhone 4 is not so evident. And don't tell me Siri is what you define an 'evolution step'.

Yea, Android/iPhone marketplace grows and grows, proportionally to the number of devices in the world. But how many cloned apps you can find in them ?

A 60.000 apps marketplace can offer the same functionality of a 600.000 one.

So the key factor stays only in the api Microsoft releases for devs to develop their apps, but the number of possible different api is limited too.

The more functionality/api you bring to an ecosystem the more difficult is to find a new (usefull) one to improve your ecosystem.

What I am saying is : market is growing/changing much faster than the technology itself, where for technology I don't mean the hardware ... but a more deep software-related concept.

Most people use thier phone today in the same way they used it years ago. What really changed was the idea to bring internet to mobile phones ... but this very idea is old today. Browsing Internet, reading Emails, playing online, transferring files with bluetooth. Even the things you CAN'T do (TODAY) with Windows Phone are OLD themself. That's the weakness of 'freedom' in software.

Do you think Android of 2013 will be so much different from the current one ? I think Windows Phone 8 will be proportionally more different or evoluted from Windows Phone 7, for the very factor that WP7 has more ground to 'catch up'.

We will see who is right ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
An apt example of Android Audience.

However, moving on.

As said in the post before mine it is not a linear development. All OSes have their peaks and then a steady decline. The steady decline is where any new OS has shown they can do it better. For Windows Phone it's definitely not about doing anything more than what other smartphones can do. It's not about 'what'. It's about 'HOW?'.

All phones can call, email, text, browse internet, have games, have apps. But the way it's presented and here in this forum the correct word is - integrated is revolutionary and patenting issues free for Microsoft. So while it "catches up" on adding few more functions, it's got that breathing space where it can do things differently. However, others have to revolutionise from here on to say they are 'better'. Unless iPhone5 comes out with something better than SIRI, I don't think their 4.3 inches screen is 'revolutionary'. We have seen 4.7 on WP and 5 on Androids already. Android will probably spend 3 years just making the OS as smooth as WP is today, so forget getting 'functionalities' or revolution there.

Only guys who will be able to kick in the revolution in Mobile OS are - WP or iPhone. But with less patent worries, fresh slate, unique UI - WP with little more time (2 years best) will not only be able to offer everything iPhone/Android will offer then, but probably much more and much unique stuff. - Here is to the hope! :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] tableteer:
Nonsense. Apple has always been slow, from the very beginning. Google is not slowing down at all.

Honestly, it's a respectfull goal to try to do things differently, but unfortunately Microsoft is just talking but not delivering!

The HOW is all about "information at a glance" and "integration".

Well, guess what? Both are implemented better in Android. Why? Because Live Tiles are severly limited with huge barriers for developers to use them. The same is true for integration - instead of just talking about it, like Microsoft, Google actually does it. In WP7, there are just too many limitations for developers that prevent integration, in Android everything can integrate seamlessly into the system.

Hubs are a great idea, but if developers don't get the permissions and tools to integrate, they are useless, just like the live tiles.

Exactly. Microsoft needs to stop talking an start delivering. Instead of talking about integration etc., they need to deliver, like Android.

Android has always been faster (i.e. loading times etc.) and with ICS, it's pretty much as smooth. Smoothness is great, but speed is just as important, and Android wins at speed. So the score is 1:1 here.

And Android is the only OS that has been 'revolutionizing' in the past 4 years. The only revolutionary version of iOS was 1.0, all the updates were just copying Windows Mobile and Android without any innovation.

Have you ever looked at the patents in question? They're all bogus, small things that are easily worked around, 95% of them get thrown out before there's even a trial. That won't change.

And again, paying $15 to Microsoft for using Android is always better for the OEMs than paying $15 to use WP7, because Android phones actually sell. It's a very easy decision for OEMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
This isn't the place to get into an argument about Android, but this statement is laughable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Yes, its there in the topic. I was neither posting an android centric comment nor bashing I try to bring a realistic, unbiased opinion, of late its improving. The point was, nothing can be said in this forum even slightly less than the OOC mindset I mentioned without immediate flaming and name calling. Most any suggestion or improvement request is considered negative or "not needed".

All phone forums are boring... android has a million roms (boring) and I've settled on one that is 6 months old (collective android gasp!) and pretty good for this phone. I've never seen a phone sprout tits, so they're boring, agreed. Watching the wp os develop and very slowly evolve is an interesting process to behold.

No, I have no fear of anyone being stolen, poached, or otherwise moved from on platform to another. If the tide changes, I'll just watch and learn. :)

(Again, no sarcasm, or malice was implied in this reply... any taken or assumed was home grown, not imported from me. Nottanounce )
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
The "U jealous of ice cream duuude ?" man spoke.

No, seriously, that's not what's happening.

What's happening is that trolls storm and start flaming in every topic.

The proof is the forum itself, everytime someone start a topic on "I am happy with Windows Phone for XYZ" a Troll jumps in and take action. You can't even realize it, but it's just in front of your nose.

But I don't really care, you won't listen anyway ... I guess the General section is just a lost cause. Have fun ...

@tableteer : Google is not slowing down ? ... LOL :/

P.S. : Beware ! Google is watching you ... :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] giddorah:
It's funny really... Before Lumia 800 was released... The analysts wrote down their pre-release numbers to expecting 300,000 phones to be sold... Nokia then sells around 4 times what the analysts at that time said... And people still say it's a fail...

It's very strange. Nokia is in a phase where not much can be done to avoid bleeding money... They will probably bleed severely for atleast 3-4 more quarters before being back in black... But they would have ended up there anyways.

And Android as a success story... Yes... It worked very well to earn massive amounts of money in the beginning... But look at it seriously how it is right now... Motorola is losing money, HTC is losing money, Sony Ericsson is gone and Sony bought them and they lost a heckload of money. Going with Android as a non-asian company right now is suicide. With WP... Atleast you have a fighting chance and a huge software-company doing the heavy work for you. All you have to focus on is being a hardware developer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
1) I hope you're reading both of my siglines. Humor/sarcasm is a very important part of my life.

2)trolls, yes, fanatic fans yes

3)I will disagrree here. People point out positive and negative aspects, which gives balance and room for improvement. The tone of a comment may effect its perceived intent, one has to look past tone, if possible.

4) if you did not care, you would not voice your opinion. I read every reply, and respond to interesting

ones, much like you.

5) I'm not concerend with google, apple, microsoft, or the entire us federal govt watching me. I'm a very boring person to watch comparitively.

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] tableteer:
It's amazing how all the fanboys explode and the thread goes downhill when you just ask them to be realistic.

Calm down!

WP7 has lots of potential (much more than iOS, which will always be limited/censored crap). But realistically, at the moment, it's not catching up at all but falling further behind and the assumption that Google would slow down and wait for Microsoft is just ridiculous.

If Microsoft wants to catch up, they will have to

- stop talking about "integration" and "glanceability" and actually DO IT (i.e. remove limitations give developers the same powers as on Android)

- speed up their own development process (i.e. unify Windows and Windows Phone development)

- speed up the updating process (i.e. allow "fragmentation" and leave bad OEMs behind - holding updates back until all OEMs/carriers are ready doesn't help consumers at all)
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
How about we let Windows Phone grow and mature into its own product instead of trying to turn it into Android? Believe it or not, the just might do it better,
[Windows Phone 7 General] tableteer:
If they actually do it, then I'm sure they will do it better.

If Live Tiles, integration etc. were executed consequently, i.e. developers got the same possibilities as on Android, then they would be better than on Android, because they would be better designed, more coherent and consistent.

But right now they're just talking and not delivering. Microsoft is talking about integration, Android is delivering it. Microsoft is talking about "moving away from apps" and "glanceability", Android is delivering it.

If Microsoft can deliver, then they will have a better product than Android!

I'm sure about that.

But being realistic, one has to see that at the moment, it doesn't seem like Microsoft will deliver any time soon, because they are just much too slow and not pushing development as they should be (instead they are even holding back updates because they wait for all the OEMs/carriers or insist on stupid Apple-like restrictions).

The ideas of pinning everything to the start scren as tiles, integrating into hubs and integration of apps instead of seperated "silos" are great. But they are not executed well at the moment, because there are too many limitations for developers. For example:

If you want apps to be more than just seperated "silos", why isolate their storage and not give them shared access to a user folder?

If you want to do social "differently", why not allow integration of social networks, communities etc.?

If you want "glanceability", why not give developers easy and flexible options to update their tiles?

If you want to move away from the "app metaphor", why not make hubs actually useful and give developers the ability to integrate in all the ways they need?

Things like that make it really obvious that they are just talking, but not delivering! They talk about doing things differently, but never actually do it!

Google is definitely allowing too much (why let apps access almost the whole file system when one secure shared user folder would be enough? Why allow everything into the market when there is side-loading and alternative markets? And more...). But Microsoft is doing way too little to fulfill their promises that they gave with WP7 (i.e. doing things "differently").

Right now Microsoft has a very smooth and promising basis with lots of potential. But smoothness and potential alone are not enough. They don't have to allow everything Google allows (that would be too much and hurt the user eperience). But they need to work some things out ASAP.

What I (as a developer AND user) want to see is

- a complete set of APIs,

- a shared secure storage location that apps can access,

- extend background agents to custom services that (for example) enable Live Tiles to update from anywhere and most importantly,

- full integration into hubs and replacing/enhancing default actions without restrictions,

- side-loading allowed for all users

If they can deliver that, then they will definitely have a better product than Google. But Google is not waiting...
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
BACK ON TOPIC, *yawn*

So Nokia Lumia 910 is ready for Europe and the Nokia Launch party in Prague had plenty of food. Did anyone see that Prague party?

The launch of Lumia 800s have been amazing mostly. Seen the video for London's launch event? I was there! Awesome!

BTW, Australia is getting Lumia in white! - Looks sleek.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
The marketing campaign for the Lumia has been quite exciting. Kudos to Nokia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Indeed... seing a explosion of new outdoors everywhere.
[HTC EVO 3D] le boscaiolo:
Hi, as you can probably tell I'm new here but definately not in experienced in the tech area. Anyway I'll skip straight to the problem at Hand.

I have been googling hard away the last couple of days for anything along the lines of 'full size SD card adapter for smartphone' etc.

I sadly haven't located one or even seen one, a forum I visited had 1 person in possession of a micro usb powered full size SD card adapter, but was connected to a tablet so I have no idea if it would work on a 3D. No links on where he purchased it either:/

Does anyone here have a link as to where I might be able to buy one of these adapters, or somewhat further information about the actual chances of the 3D being able to support one?

The main reason I need one is because my DSLR camera uses full size SD cards and I needed a way to transfer images to my phone, touch them up with apps and have them ready to share as I'm shooting.

Thanks in advance for any answers.
[HTC EVO 3D] EricSS619:
There is a post somewhere if a guy who added a full sized SD card adapter to his EVO 3d. Looks pretty good and he explains how to do it.
[HTC EVO 3D] tgruendler:
Almost all MicroSD aftermarket cards come with a SD adaptor such as the one below:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231509
[HTC EVO 3D] P0ll0L0c0:
I bought one from dealextreme for about $7 several years ago. The problem is fitting the adapter in the phone. But for your use, perhaps you can just use it temporarily without the back cover on the phone.

The adapter has a small ribbon cable that connects to a micro SD plastic piece. The ribbon cable extends out to a larger plastic slot for a full size SD card.

The problem with our phone is that the microsd card sits flush with the battery. I'm not sure if there's enough room to fit the ribbon cable between the microsd side of the adapter - and the battery. If I can find my adapter - I'll check tonight.

The easy way to make this "permanent" would be to use an extended battery back cover, without actually using an extended battery. Otherwise, there's definitely not enough room behind the stock cover for the adapter.
[HTC EVO 3D] le boscaiolo:
Thanks for the replies but I don't want to have to buy another micro SD to put in a full SD in my camera. I just need a USB card adapter like the 7 in 1 types you see at most stores but one compatible for an evo:/
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
With Olympus Rom and Chad Goodman's Anthrax kernel it is possible to enable USB Host, which as is sounds will allow you to connect camera straight to evo (with USB OTG Cable). At this time it is really hit or miss whether it will work on your phone, some people have got it to work and others not...That is where I am at the moment. Chad is in the process of making it work on all evo 3Ds as long as they are running a rom with usb host mode enabled (Olympus is the only rom at the moment with this feature I believe). Chad has been able to use the function on his phone and had sucess with usb keyboard and usb external drive.

----or----- Try this guys method..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=16279672
[HTC EVO 3D] P0ll0L0c0:
That is NOT what I was suggesting, I was suggesting that this might work:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-to-microsd-transflash-card-converter-module-27001

But I don't think it will fit safely into the EVO3D's microSD slot. The plastic piece which connects to the normal microSD slot is longer than a regular microSD - and will crash against the battery, unless it was bent. I was not willing to try to bend my adapter for this check, sorry.

I think your best bet is to root your phone to one of the ROM's that handles USB host as suggested above.
[HTC EVO 3D] le boscaiolo:
Well I happen to own the GSM model with which the SD card slot would work with this no problem as it is on the side facing outwards without any battery interfering with it. I might look into that at the later.

A further question about gaining USB host through rooting does anyone know how to root a GSM model with HBOOT 1.49.0013 on Vodafone Au? If not then I will have to settle for the adapter displayed above which wouldn't bother other than the fact is that I want to transfer photos from the Full SD to the Micro SD not to internal memory as that could take a while as the files arn't particularly small:/

If this is sounding strange its like the adapter Apple made for the iPad called 'camera connectivity kit' etc. This is a small inch by inch brick that simply plugs into the charging port and accepts SD cards for transfer to the internal memory.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] obscurant1st:
I am using defy baseband switcher v4.0 and it shows unable to detect your baseband configuration, it's possibly damaged. reset to default?

I tried to reset it using the option given, then the phone reboots and then if I tried to change the baseband this error comes again.

I am not able to connect to 3gnetwork

India

Tata Docomo!

so what to do now? any help really appreciated!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimminez:
if your BB is damage or curoptes you are deep in to noware.. then you need to get a new Main board for your phone = the cost of a new phone.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] obscurant1st:
@jimminez man its good that I didn't find this reply before resolving this issue.

For all the people who are having this issue!

I renamed that system/etc/motorola/bp_nvm_default and used the baseband switcher from here (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1203297) to reset it to dafault and bingo it worked like a charm.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lucaslofaro:
hey, please help me..

i think i'm having a problem similar to this one...

i have a defy plus with standart 2.3.4 and accidentally downgraded it to froyo 2.2..

so i flashed the famous chinese firmware (2.3.6) and installed MS2Ginger 4.0 but i cannot get any signal..

when i use the baseband switcher i get this same error:

"unable to detect your baseband configuration, it's possibly damaged. reset to default?"

so i renamed this directory (system/etc/motorola/bp_nvm_default) and used this baseband switcher.. but it still doesn't work..

any ideas?

please help meeee!

thx in advance..

---------- Post added at 02:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:54 PM ----------

sorry forgot to mention that i'm in argentina and my service provider is Personal..

i don´t know what to do..

i thought it may be some rom incompatibility but it seems i cannot change the rom anymore.. because it would brick again..

thank you!
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] M1hai:
can i install odin on ubuntu and flash my phone?? How??:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] coolsandie:
I guess Odin still is not supported on OS other than Windows. Correct me if I'm wrong. And for getting Odin worked on Ubuntu, you may need to install VirtualBox and install Windows, and access inside it.
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] M1hai:
ok it is possible to launch odin inside ubuntu using wine, but due to lack of drivers phone is pretty much undetectable, anyway the virtual machine idea is good and as far as I know about VirtualBox and VMware this might actually work:)
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] coolsandie:
Using Wine maybe a bad idea for Odin and yes you are right without Kies (Samsung drivers) phone will not get detected. And we can't depend on Wine for 100% on all Windows applications. Some won't work correctly. And as you're aware of Virtualization technology, it might be a better plan. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] ruwie:
is there another way to flash android phone using ubuntu? Because i am using ubuntu now
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] Adripeg:
You have other options; Maybe you can run Windows with Odin and Kies in a Virtual Box. And there's also a lot of Windows XP portables to boot with a usb stick without change your OS ;D

I'm sorry for the bad english.
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] El7r:
I am an ubuntu user also, I installed windows beside linux jsut to use odin.

It is possible to flash roms through linux but its little bit complicated since the only available way is using the command line (terminal)

http://wmarkito.wordpress.com/2011/...froyo-in-a-galaxy-s-with-ubuntu-and-heimdall/