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[Eee Pad Transformer General] morbidrealities:
Hate to burst YOUR bubble but, most iPad apps were just zoomed in iPhone apps for quite awhile. It takes awhile for developers to embrace a new platform. Im hoping that the merging of phone and tablet OS's with ICS fix most of the developer qualms with android. I personally see android tablets becoming more popular than the iPad in just a couple years. Just MHO:D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Look at the sentence that I quoted again. Are you telling me that by now the number of tablet optimized apps in android market is not as many as the number of tablet optimized apps in apple appstore when they first launched the ipad 2 years ago? Again, read that sentence again.

And by the way, no tablet company has ever proclaimed their product was "an ipad killer". This was a term coined by ifanboys.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
This is a good site..

https://www.mylookout.com/appgenome/

Some highlights..many more apps for sale on apple store, many more free apps on android

Android has exploded % wise, increasing number of apps by more % than apple, while app still has over twice as many apps in their market

Apple has 6 times as many developers contributing to their market because the profit factor on apple is much higher than android

Open source! FTW!

Android also isn't employing slave labor in china..well, at least not 700,000 slaves..that im aware of..just more reasons to love android.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] atlharp:
The real issue between the two is not an issue of quality, fragmentation or applications. The real issue between the two tablets is price. Even if someone can afford an Ipad doesn't mean they will buy it. Seriously, who wants to throwdown seven hundred bones for a tablet with no expandable memory and limited customization? The applications will rectify themselves in time, they always do. Apple is like Mercedes. They make great computers,but like Mercedes people do not buy their cars to alter or customize them. That is the difference- nobody wants to hot rod a Mercedes!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
I am continuously puzzled by why apple decided to put 2 crappy cameras on their star ipad2 product and no expandable memory.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] atlharp:
The real question is why something that lacks those things is $700.....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Please, make me pay more money for a product that has fewer customizable options and lower quality hardware than it's android opposition! -every iphan..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] KaliKot:
This is just anti-apple circle jerking. I dont think this is a "discussion" of any sorts.

Honestly, as a Transformer owner, I ENVY the lack of tablet apps on Android. It may eventually be solved, but until then

Seeing facebook and twitter run blown up phone apps which arent easy to navigate on a tablet just plain SUCKS.

Yes the iPad may not be very customizable, no expansions and stuff but the apps there are really really high quality. Also an endless amount of selection of games.

It's sad that Android doesnt even have flipboard yet
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gVibeR:
I remain on the fences in regards to the article. Android Market has roughly 62 tablet optimized apps, and App Brain seems to be closing in on 100 apps for tablets.

But if you are one to believe whatever you read, then I guess there is no way to sway your opinion. If you are one to do your own research and make up your own mind, then I think (in my opinion) you will be better off.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
As android tablets take more and more of the market and replace even netbook pcs in the next few years there will be more tablet apps on the android market than there was on the apple market with similar age/market share. It seems that way anyway if the trends continue, especially as the android is seen as a developer's device, and ios devices are consumer level, there will always be more money in the apple store because they are geared to deep pocketed consumers to begin with, which in itself draw developers to want to put apps on the apple market. However you look at it though the two devices are not quite equals..more like similar devices.

Apples and oranges imo, in that they are both fruits and similarity really ends there.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
-yawn- another nonsense article written by a clueless techie. It has all of the hallmarks. Totally ignore all of the Android devices that directly compete against the iPad and win? Check. Glorify the iPad as if it's the first tablet to have ever been created? Check. Shortsell the Android platform based on Honeycomb? Check. Compare the iPad to the Kindle Fire based on "an ecosystem"? Check.

If she thought Honeycomb was where Android should have caught up to iPad in terms of tablet compatible apps, she's naive. I should know, I've been to a Google sponsored event and I've seen just how hard these guys are trying with ICS (

NOT HONEYCOMB

) to stress best design practices and make all apps compatible between phones and tablets by stressing the use of classes like fragment and actionbar. Mark my words: ICS is where the phone/tablet apps will spring out and provided the app designers follow Google's tips and use the classes at their disposable, the apps will not only have stellar UI's that look good on tablets,

they'll look good on phones too

. Look at the G-Mail app on ICS and you'll know what I'm talking about.

Once this kind of development catches on it will steamroll apps on iOS and the chasm between phone and tablet apps will become much smaller. The hurdle is getting developers to learn these practices and adopt them on a wider scale and with Google directly helping developers by putting up training websites, I don't see this being a problem for long.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
So that they can upgrade the cameras on iPad3, and then add in an expandable memory in iPad3s (or iPad4). People lap up what Apple does and so Apple can get away with that ****. Their advertisement campaign is frakking admirable to be honest.

I think Android would kill Apple if they allowed the OnSkreen thing onto the OS. At the moment, Google is still waiting to see if people pick up on the fact that tablets are more than for consumption which is why they aren't picking up the OnSkreen thing since it seems like dumping money into waters that haven't shown their potential yet. It's stupid though, of course, since they could possibly be killing the competition by introducing it first..

(Maybe the projection thing will kill tablets before they become a thing and we'll have just have devices that can turn anything into a "touch screen" instead of tablets.)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
Hi! I am a fairly seasoned root user, although I have a lot of research to do for ICS. I am running the IceColdSandwich ROM and thus far only one crash, to be expected! I have the CPU oc'd to roughly 1.76ghz with smooth results. my question is... are task killers, any to speak of, safe for ICS? I realise that a solid killer is built in but...always curious. all comments welcome and NICE to have ALL features working on my Inspire 4G with an ICS 4.0.3 ROM.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livewings:
NO

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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jotokun:
This. The only time a task killer MIGHT be warranted is on a device with only 128mb of ram or less, and in that case it wouldn't be able to run ICS in any usable way at all. Android is efficient enough, dont fight with it for the sake of fighting with it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] louisc22:
Yep

is it any good i found this thing called avast for android antivirus that is a good program for finding your phone lots of good **** for rooted users
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
I guessed that, but went ahead and got system tuner pro for root users and therein lies the difference. It doesn't seem to interfere with data and phone calling capabilities. I am uploading a ss of my screen of root apps to indicate a bit of my endeavours...but one thing I know for certain is do NOT install AV apps...bad news. So avast is a bad thing indeed.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dja357:
I've tried using various task killers. Back in the dark days of eclair/froyo I felt like advanced task killer actually did something.

Nowadays, whenever I've tried out a task killer it just slows my phone down loads and make everything run badly. Some people seem very attached to task killers, they're not worth the trouble.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Antivirus for Android is pointless. There are NO Android viruses. Don't think of Android in Windows terms. It's not Windows and so does not have the same vulnerabilies as Windows.

Antivirus companies depend on the fear and ignorance of their customers. Companies peddling antivirus for Android (or Linux) should at least be honest that it is only useful for scanning files to be transferred to Windows machines.

This doesn't mean there is no Android malware - there is. And a virus is a type of malware. But not all malware is a virus.

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
Have you tried a system tuner app like the one I mentioned? Once you've gained root access many outstanding features are available within the program. I am uploading a ss of the basic options so you may get a feel for it's outline.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strangerman69:
Thx, i'm new member ^^
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oznav:
which one is the best

i am new here. which task killer you recommend
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Do NOT use a task killer. It's uneccessary and actually causes problems and wastes battery. Android handles running processes and memory automatically and efficiently for you.

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strangerman69:
I used the standard task killer from HTC :D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Again - do NOT use a task killer!

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
I agree as a basic cheap task killer does more ill than good...kills all without leaving the user much say in what he/she wants done. I previously posted that I use System Tuner Pro, which you may know has a pretty advanced task manager, not just straight killer (among many other features) and have found it to be quite invaluable as an addition to my root tools arsenal. Would you agree that an advanced manager for a fairly savvy user is advantageous? Thanks for your input!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
Thanks to all for your questions and valuable input. Hopefully this thread will help a lot of people experimenting and learning as I am.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jotokun:
Under NO circumstances is a task killer a good idea. The ONLY time you should kill a task is if an app is misbehaving and you need to force it down so it can restart. In those cases, just use the built in task killer in settings.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drakeheart77:
I seem to be getting the same info from a number of reputable xda members, and I have definitely made up my mind about killing tasks through an app. Thanks especially to you for adding specifics to your adamant claim against a task killer, that made up my mind indeed.

Kudos!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Archer:
Killing tasks isn't actually a big deal. Sure, if you use an app regularly then it's better to have it still in memory for when you next use it, but if you use it once a day then killing it after use does absolutely no harm whatsoever and does free up resources.

Task killer apps though aren't just for killing tasks. If they were we wouldn't even be having the discussion, due to the most excellent native task manager already in ICS. Task killer apps run in the background and use system resources, always checking the state of the system and any running apps, deciding the "best" way to handle your device. That's the bit that is pointless and you should avoid. If you run one of those apps then you're basically draining your battery and system resources on a totally unnecessary app.

In short - kill tasks? Up to you. Task killer/monitor - bad.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Archer:
Why don't you look it up and find other threads about it, rather than hijack this one :)

Edit: Thanks, mystery mod, for deleting his posts.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] technofreak9:
Firstly, its not recommended to use task killers on your Android device, coz it drains up battery starting the app u killed all over again.

Although, if ur phone gets really slow, or else ur running out of RAM, the best task killer is :

Auto Task Killer

Look for it in the Market.

I used it when I had a Galaxy Spica. But after getting the S2, it doesnt really matter.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tejrl:
You recommend not installing an AV app, but it's one of the top Marketplace downloads. Strange.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Doesn't mean they're right. Just an old habit from using Windows.

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oznav:
trying ICS

indeed the need for a task killer is not as eminent on ICS 4.0.3
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mamrhein:
I use a advanced task killer on my xperia play running 2.3.3 verizon. And based on the tests I've done. It saves me battery.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Go ahead and keep fooling yourself. Android ain't Windows and Windows rules don't apply. The phone will run best if you just relax and let Android handle things.

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kulti75:
I had been using a task killer on my stock 2.3.5 SGS2, but did not notice any difference. Now on Ressurection ICS ROM, although I have not tried any kind of task killer, the phone runs very smooth. As for the antivirus programs, I think it is a waste of resources of the phone.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepfabry:
an evolute android like ics don t need useless task killer :p
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RevisionZero:
I dont think you should have any AntiVirus or Task Killer, the system is built to run properly out of the box, especially lately.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mamrhein:
I know how the phones work, and how cached files on android work, but I don't want them to be in the backround. I'm not fooling myself.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] watt9493:
Then all you're doing is FIGHTING ANDROID. And you're gonna lose.

-My life is a shooting range, people never change-
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
No, clearly you don't or you would trash the task manager

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mamrhein:
I have it set up to ignore the system apps that need to start up I have it to auto killer my games(if I forget to end the game) and to auto killer the bloatware. I have seen a battery increase. My task killer does not interfere with processes or cacheing the launcher, gmail, or the browser
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cellem:
I think as well that there is no need at all to use some stupid task killer... just consumes more energy to get the app up and running again...imo!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] peterperfect:
Like Koush said, we're writing a Task killer killer service that hunts down all Task killers and kills them on sight. Android manages memory just fine on its own, it doesn't need help. There are other ways to stop apps though if you really want to stop an app.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crashdamage:
Pointless and counter-productive. Any battery gains you think you see are just a placebo effect. There's lotsa info available about why taskillers are actually harmful. Google is your friend for that.

Sent from HTC G2
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mamrhein:
This topic has been debeat a million times across the web. My battery gain is from killing the bloatware.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 2020legig:
task killers is useless.... but someone coming from windows will never understand that....
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mamrhein:
I'm not from windows I've done tests
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] torieomufnill:
For your problem, installing avast antivirus is the best soluiton
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] molesarecoming:
about avast, that was actually one of the few capable ones for proper theft-protection. the other apps weren't thought throught, coulnd't do the simplest of things like forcing on GPS, WIFI or data-connection for secure tracking, didn't hide their icons and installations, couldn't wipe, prevent usb-debugging, lock phone or survive sim-exchanges. avast did all that with su privileges, so i switched of app scanning, firewall and all that stuff that i wouldn't need. i'd say it's still one of the nicest aproaches on the market for security matters.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crikey83:
I can't be certain, (still trying to find a way to view crash logs) but ATK could very well be the reason for my Arc S (LT18i) to be crashing.

As any respectable Arc S owner, I am running the Rooted ICS Beta with GAPPS and Recovery. Only after using ATK (force of habit :-( ) my Arc S began throwing ***** fits in the form of seemingly random restarts (9 out of 10 was when coming into or out of the "pattern" lock screen.

After much Googling, task killers are bad news.

Crikey
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
I do wish some apps would stop running after closing them out.

cough, Facebook.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hassi94:
Thanks for all the information guys. I've always used task killers even though I suspected they may not help. These posts have confirmed it for me. :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2grae:
I would like to echo the do not use task killers with android, and definitely no avast or other anti-virus. will only slow down, clutter, annoy and then drain on battery a touch more in experience.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schwo:
You can freeze it.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfinks69:
thx for info
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vitormfgoncalves:
Same opinion here.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xneuromancer:
that's interesting. i thought task killers were discouraged, even more so for ICS, since I'm assuming it's more intelligent about what it caches and frees up.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
Well yea but I don't want to freeze an app I do use constantly, I just wish it would close after I'm done and not run background processes.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gchild320:
Task killer not worth a damn!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] waterbound:
Negative. Look again and understand what you are seeing.

It has been explained a million times and then some.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crikey83:
:-)

A little logical thinking wouldn't hurt either.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mydisha:
sorry,im newbie here.

i dont know the greatest task killer for your ics,cause i never use ics ROM :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pinpontbs:
Task killer doesn't help much.

If you use it to save your battery by killing other apps, you must know that it is also an app. And it keeps running in background for its purpose.

What do you think?

My opinion is you shouldn't use something like that.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leo.benveniste:
Froyo killed the need for a task killer, Androd does a very good job killing apps, and any task kille only gets in conflict with the system task killer itself

so: if you're on froyo or higher, you don't need a task killer, if your still on an older version, yes, you need one
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] codo2003:
Best Task Killer

What is the best task killer for ICS ROMs.

Thanks in advance for the answer..
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leo.benveniste:
there is non, don't use one on ICS, it will slow down your phone
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] harishdhandev:
foe me , th ics task killer is more of a recent apps manager rather thn a true task manager ....thr is a difference btwn the two ...
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kozeljko:
Task killer? Doesn`t holding home button and sliding apps to the left or right kill already them?

EDIT: Srry, I just saw the first page -.-
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamieunit:
I've always had adao even on ics, read alot about not having one for years but never got rid, as long as you ignore the right apps and know what what is,

And if the phone starts trippin out bam killed.

I did try going without for a week or so but didn't enjoy the experience.

THISIS50 if its hot its here
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vegeta1:
the inbuilt one is the best but still ADVANCE TASK KILLER cud be a alternate uv been lookin for:confused:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scorpserpent:
advanced task killers

hmm, i dont need one coz my Galaxy S i-9000 running ICS stays above 100mb most of the time. what i need is a task manager..coz well, i dont know how to find one in the ROM...-.-
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
No, do not use any task killers from the market.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] psmaniac:
i use taskmanager ics rom 542 mb free out of 800. :))
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LukinM26:
I use Task Killer Free and it´s very helpful. It keeps phone in great condition! :cool:
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] I Am Marino:
Trust me, it's hurting your phone, its placebo.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Koizuma:
I still use a task killer/manager even on ICS i use "Advance Task Manager" and the only reason I use it is for the auto kill on wake up thing it does.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sponge_Noob:
I don't like the task killer of ics
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Synthetic-Ellz:
ES- Task manager

ES- Task manager is really awesome,

it's free plus it's got a handy trick of killing all background/hidden apps while the screen is off and it saves a looot of battery. Been using it for a while now.

When i do battery usage, android OS is always waay below 10 percent:D
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apatal:
Don't really recommend task killers as I've heard they drain more battery in the long run especially if you let it kill background apps that are going to startup again the moment you use your phone. Unless you use a really ****ty low-end unit, I suggest you stay away from these type of apps.

However, I use a custom ROM and I love using the "hold back button to kill app" feature. Note howeverm that these are all user-installed apps that can really cause havoc when left running in the background unintentionally.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Synthetic-Ellz:
You might have a valid point there.. My battery unnecessarily drains while screen is off due to background processes trying to start up and being killed...while my screen is off. This sequence goes on forever...

Sent from my GT-I9100 using westcrips latest ICS remix version.
[Off-topic] ninrocket:
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[Off-topic] jaszek:
Where is the "I can care less" option?
[Off-topic] kareeem:
+1 :p
[Off-topic] ninrocket:
..............
[Off-topic] conantroutman:
What if we like HandEgg but just not the Giants or the Patriots..??
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
I think you mean "I couldn't care less" :p

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I could care less
[Off-topic] Waddle:
Giants! History will repeat itself.

Sent from my SGH-I777
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Well believe it or not, on XDA I am allowed to post in whatever thread I want, and if it means you get butthurt let it be.

Also what is the whole point with hand egg? In the play offs they only play one game with each team. It should be like hockey where you actually need skill and determination, and not just luck, since you have to win at least 4 games with one team before you can go to the next round.

I couldn't care less what you think about my grammar.

:>
[Off-topic] iynfynity:
Wait, the championship only has one game?