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[TouchPad General] [TSON]:
iPad 2's GPU outright slays all android devices, so as far as UI you're not going to find a device that even comes close that's out right now, including the Transformer Prime /:

I've heard good things about the Nexus Tablet though.....
[TouchPad General] L33t Masta:
While I love my HP TouchPad I have to tell you that nothing can touch the current A5 CPU/GPU the iPad 2 uses. It's amazing to say the least. But the TouchPad is good for lots of other things :)
[TouchPad General] jcom86:
I've compared my TP (both WebOS and Alpha 3 CM7) to my cousin's iPad 2 and the browsing experience is much better on the iPad. But like sean said, if ICS were in beta or even out then it would be a close battle. I'm running an ICS beta on my Samsung Fascinate and it's the most beautiful rom I've ever played with. Hopefully the TP gets to that same level.
[TouchPad General] spunker88:
Its hard to compare since they are running 2 completely different operating systems and browsers. Chances are the iPad2 will be faster only because its running a stable OS (I'm not saying Android is unstable, just that its not OEM).

But with the Touchpad you get decent hardware for a lot cheaper and you can run CM.
[TouchPad General] _Motoki_:
I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.

Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.

CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.

Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
[TouchPad General] dalingrin:
Thanks!

I find the ICS browser on the Touchpad to be great. Its the first all around great browser I've used in Android in terms of scrolling experience, UI, etc.
[TouchPad General] tbob18:
I more or less agree.

I've had few major problems with CM9a0.5. I'd say it is at least as stable as CM7, and WiFi has actually been more stable for me compared to XRON/CM7 (although still not perfect). And of course the "tablet" experience of ICS is worlds ahead of GB. :)

The biggest downside to CM9 is the lack of video acceleration therefore lack of Netflix/Youtube HD and high bitrate 720p/1080p videos.
[TouchPad General] Tykin:
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
[TouchPad General] ItsDon:
ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
[TouchPad General] b.huss2:
fixed in a0.5

^^this

cm9 is just awsome. i wish i could get rid of the webOS part because it's a waste of space.
[TouchPad General] apbling:
Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
[TouchPad General] nickmv:
Probably not. Given the level of effort required for installation, maintenance, and learning the more technical side of things, she'd most likely stick with the iPad.

I dont know your work friend, but that's my guess.

People naturally think that because you managed to get the TP up and running with ICS, that it was worthless getting an iPad. But those people most likely are the same one's that don't have the knowledge to really enjoy the TP, not to mention put the effort into keeping it that way. And at the current state (not even to Alpha 1), it's no comparison.
[TouchPad General] b.huss2:
i payed less than $100 for my touchpad............it now has ICS, it's as fast as any tablet on the market, and has great developmental support. why the hell would i want to pay $500 for another tablet? it's not just ipad, i had tossed around the idea of getting a transformer prime for a while and probably would have one if they weren't so hard to get. then ics hit the touchpad and well the rest is history. i'm happy now. :) but that's just me and my "$100 fast as hell ICS tablet" talkin.
[TouchPad General] unsivil_audio:
The thing most people don't understand is if it's this close to an ipad WITHOUT hardware acceleration. It'll straight blow an ipad 2 out of the water when we get it. ICS is more like iOS in that it has hardware accelerated ui. Android never offered that before, which is why we have compensated with faster and more powerful processors up until this point.
[TouchPad General] WildKun:
hardware acceleration was in honeycomb
[TouchPad General] Unrealwolf:
It's nowhere near the iPad 2 without acceleration. It will not blow iOS out of anywhere with it. I've heard it a thousand times before ("...upgrade to 1.6, it's way faster", "2.0 is not a real Eclair, that is why Droid lags, wait for 2.1, it will change everything", "2.2 will feature JIT that will speed Android up for like 3 times, you won't recognise it!", "Gingerbread is out in a couple of months, it will be a WAY faster", "Dual core supa mega extremely fast Tegra 2 CPUs will finally defeat Android lag", and so on), but nothing really changed. Now the main lag-defeating hopes are for quad-cores and ICS. ICS brings nothing new to the table, Honeycomb already had HW accel, so, let's see if Tegra 3 will.

By the way, here is the nice article about speed https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
[TouchPad General] aNYthing24:
What Munn says is mostly FUD. Check out the links posted by him in the beginning of the post to get an actual idea about how Android works.
[TouchPad General] ItsDon:
My TP with ICS has zero lag.
[TouchPad General] [TSON]:
A thousand times, this. Even with acceleration, their GPU is

WAY

faster than ours. It's not even close, it will never be even close with the hardware we have.

Although...

Not true. ICS is the first Android OS to support multicore acceleration on the UI. You can definitely tell, too. But the iPad 2 has a dual core processor as well, and a much faster GPU. We can't compare.
[TouchPad General] tbob18:
Yup, the GPU will never compare. The SGX543MP2 is about 200-300% faster than the Adreno 220. However, the CPU @ 1.5ghz is really not too far behind.

It is really up to software optimization, and unfortunately Android will probably never be as optimized as iOS.
[TouchPad General] lewmur:
Who really gives a blankety blank? The TP runs circles around anything in its current price range. Comparing it to something four times as expensive is downright senseless. Of course all "Mine's bigger than yours." discussions tend to fall into that category.
[TouchPad General] Jotokun:
I have no experience with an iPad 2 outside of store models so I have no clue how the two compare. But the difference between CM7 and cm9 is jaw dropping. To say the hardware acceleration adds nothing is to be ignorant, large lists where scrolling was previously choppy are now butter. The web browser is now smoother than Opera Mobile, which was the only way I was able to use CM7. Overall, the UI is much speedier.

Its not perfect, in a few spots there's still a hint of lag. But I have a hard time seeing the iPad being much better solely based on the fact that being better probably wouldn't be noticeable by the human eye. Note I'm purely talking UI speed here, not how long it takes for something to launch or load.

From a raw numbers standpoint? The iPad probably scores higher because while it has a slightly weaker CPU the GPU is much stronger than ours. But thats just benchmarks, and we all know benchmarks dont always reflect real world performance.
[TouchPad General] staymunch:
whats the big hooplah all about. the touchpad is CHEAP. if u want an ipad go spend 500$ and be locked into ios with no hacking or fun.
[TouchPad General] muyoso:
Except the iPad has XBMC ported to it which makes it a better media player than pretty much any Android tablet. We seriously need XBMC ported to Android. XBMC makes the iPad pretty fun.
[TouchPad General] staymunch:
Hmm might have to go hack my dads iPad then lol
[TouchPad General] I Am Marino:
The only reason I would think the iPad 2 could be faster at this point is the GPU.

Otherwise, we're on par with them.
[TouchPad General] kevnb:
the ipad 2 is faster, but not $400 faster. ICS sandwich is here and its pretty damn smooth. the faster gpu of the ipad 2 doesnt usually even matter, the cpu speed is what we use for the most part outside of games and media. Thats why the galaxy s2 is faster than the ipad 2.

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ics is here, its not that hard to compare a galaxy nexus to an iphone 4s to see that for the most part the android device wins. I suppose games and a few other things would be slightly better on the 4s, but I dont usually play games on these devices. Not to mention ios/android games are meant to work on older devices too so its a moot point.
[TouchPad General] cipher77:
hey, everyone...

question.

to overclock...it has nothing to do with webos' clock, right?

you actually have to go in and overclock for ics...right?

if anyone can point me to a decent thread about kernels/clock speed...

it would be much appreciated!

***

found a few helpful threads and received a few helpful pm's.

thanks everyone...
[TouchPad General] Frostfree:
So many misconceptions on this thread

iPad isn't fun - If your idea of fun is hacking & flashing etc, then no it isn't, but otherwise the quality of games and apps combined with the GPU makes it the best gaming tablet on the market.

TP with ICS has zero lag - Obviously you've not used and ipad2 extensively

TP will blow/blows the iPad out of the water - Jeez, what planet are you guys on!

Locked into apple - Seriously, buy into any platform and you're locked into the ecosystem, it's not like Android users can run apple apps. My iPad is pretty much spot on in terms of performance and functionality I don't feel the need to hack it. Whereas every android device I've owned apart from the fantastic Galaxy S2 has had to be hacked to get a decent performance out of it.

However I agree that the TP knock the socks off any tablet out there in terms of 'value for money' including the ipad, and with the CM ICS port, it's actually an excellent tablet. Even compared to the Galaxy tab 10.1, the screen transitions are smoother. Definitely a lot better than any budget Android tablet... but don't lets get ahead of ourselves, comparing it with the ipad2 is laughable.
[TouchPad General] tbob18:
While I agree, there really is not much comparison when it comes to certain task on the Touchpad vs the iPad 2... But when it comes to web - which to me is the most important thing on a tablet, the Touchpad (tweaked + Opera Mobile of course) is nearly as lag-less and enjoyable as browsing on an iPad 2.

So, I would not call it laughable to compare the iPad 2 and the Touchpad as the iPad 2 has set a high standard that one can't really help but compare to - but of course the iPad 2 is faster and that is that (unless you use Google Earth a lot). :)
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Just wanted to let you guys know that I still have root after I installed the OTA. I will give a few steps what I did in a few minutes.

These are the steps I used. Took a while (seemed like forever) but at least I am updated and with root. I originally came from an ICS rom then I had to flash a stock rom then RUU.

1. Flashed stock recovery (Link below)

2. Locked bootloader (fastboot oem lock)

3. Flashed RUU 1.02.605.6 (link below)

4. Installed OTA (check for new software updates when booted)

5. Unlocked bootloader (http://www.htcdev.com/)

6. Flashed RA recovery (found in forum)

7. Installed su and superuser under Developer menu under RA recovery

8. BAM!!!!!!! :D

The RUU I used was found at http://www.scottsroms.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=37

Thanks scrosler for having that available!

The stock recovery can be downloaded at http://db.tt/tw5m33ZG. Unzip and flash in Fastboot using command "fastboot flash recovery recovery_signed.img"
[HTC Rezound] ilkevinli:
Can you post a link to the RUU and stock recovery you used ? Thanks.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Yeah. It's at the bottom of the first post now.
[HTC Rezound] hgoldner:
Why did you have to relock the bootloader?
[HTC Rezound] jskolm:
FYI, that's not the new RUU file.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
I kept on getting an error with it being unlocked about signature error. So I locked it and it finally worked.
[HTC Rezound] mikemullin6:
Can you make a very detailed step-by-step process, including commands, adb, etc., that you used?

thx
[HTC Rezound] ilkevinli:
Do you have a link to the stock recovery ? Thanks
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Yeah! Here!

http://db.tt/tw5m33ZG
[HTC Rezound] WizeGuyDezignz:
Everyone that installed an ICS rom is SOL on this right?
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
I put very general commands and info beside the steps in the first post. PM me if you have any questions.
[HTC Rezound] Superguy:
So does it seem like it's worth it? How's reception and call quality with the new radios?

What radio versions does your phone list now?
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
I just rooted. I still have my original stock ruu. It's rooted though. Could I update with that or do I have to unroot?
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
If it lets you update then go for it. Just make sure your bootloader is unlocked after the update then install su and superuser and you got root back basically.
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
So if I just uninstall su I can update? I have amon ra as my recovery. What about that??
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
You would need the stock recovery. RA would cause it to fail.
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
Right on! So I'll uninstall su and push the stock recovery and see what happens. No relock required cause it's my og ruu. Cool.
[HTC Rezound] andybones:
yea, I put on stock rom, stock recovery, then locked bootloader, and the it just kept rebooting to botoloader so i coulndt get to the rom to accept to try the OTA..
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Did you try the RUU yet?
[HTC Rezound] zeroxg4:
It won't work because (I'm assuming) that his mainver was updated. AFAIK the RUU won't run a "newer" mainver.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Oh yeah! I forgot about that. Blonde moment!!! Is your bootloader locked or unlocked? Flash a stock rom then RUU
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
Are you asking me? Mine's unlocked.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Why not flash a stock rom then flash RUU?
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
My mainversion is fine.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
I got confused. You able to get root back majorhunadadun?
[HTC Rezound] mcfarlan:
OP, can you confirm that your phone was actually updated? I have run this twice with no issues but I am not seeing any difference like software version = 2.01.605.11 and baseband version = 0.95.00.1118r.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Here is my confirmation.
[HTC Rezound] mcfarlan:
Thanks...here I go again :-)
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
And here is just one more of my superuser app. Showing all the apps require root that works.
[HTC Rezound] retepdgp:
You said you flashed a stock ROM before doing the RUU... which stock ROM was it?
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1416604
[HTC Rezound] neckbonest:
does anyone elses wifi show error under it and not work? i did a factory reset and wiped the interal storage and still nothing. this happend after the update. ive only had this phone for 2 days. htc phones are all new to me. i have had alot of motarola phones.
[HTC Rezound] Flyhalf205:
Could be a kernel issue.
[HTC Rezound] snowride20:
I am running ineffabilis GB Rom with DSB overclocked kernel. If I flash my nandroid backup from right after I unlocked and rooted, then flash the stock kernel and relock the phone with the stock recovery, will I be able to accept the OTA or must I still flash the ruu? Where can I find the stock kernel? Is the kernel still with the backup and just need pulled out and flashed separately? Obviously a little lost here. I read the forums constantly and I just can't figure it out. I try not to post unnecessary questions and if this is already in here a link would be great. If someone has the time a good step by step would be awsome or am I just not finding it. I would love.to learn more about fastboot and the different commands but I just don't know where to start. Thanks to all the developers and those that know more then me for all your hard work!
[HTC Rezound] mcfarlan:
Third time was the charm. Not sure if/what I did anything differently but I am updated and rooted following the steps you outlined. Thanks...
[HTC Rezound] dejahboi:
Stock Kernal

Here's the stock kernal in my dropbox. Save's the hassle looking for it within these threads.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55948815/PH98IMG.zip
[HTC Rezound] zonbal33:
so all roms work after this update? so all i need to do is follow the directions on the first page and i can flash GB, ICS roms on the latest OTA update? just want to be 100 percent positive before i do all this. thx
[HTC Rezound] esheesle:
Sounds like you had a flash error similar to mine. My software upgraded but not the radios. wifi wouldn't turn on at all. I reverted to a clockwork backup and works again.
[HTC Rezound] dejahboi:
I'll make an update as soon as I finish the whole process, my phone is going through RUU at the moment.
[HTC Rezound] neckbonest:
i restored a backup already and it did fix it. i came in here to edit my post and saw yours.

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what is ruu? little confused
[HTC Rezound] ajftl:
Wow. Its like 5 hours to do all that. I stay unroot and stock. Battery suck rooted too
[HTC Rezound] Thadrow:
Did people already unlocked rooted but still on stock Rom/kernel but with custom recovery just try to flash stock recovery and update ?

Does that seem like it'll work too ?

And question, if I do this, update. Will this radio carryover to another Rom ? Or no? Confused about that
[HTC Rezound] dejahboi:
The RUU is a .exe program which pretty factory resets your phone back to BONE STOCK which contains the official "signed" ROM out of the box. Without going back to the official rom we wouldn't be able to receive OTA updates therefore we have we use this to bring us back to square one. ( Despite we can't go back to "Locked" and shows "Re-locked" when you load back in fastboot.

Edit: Going to flash CleanRom ICS 2.2 and see if I get results :).
[HTC Rezound] retepdgp:
Read!

For those of you asking, you can still flash a custom ROM/Kernel after the update. You will still have the updated radio, which is the important part.
[HTC Rezound] snowride20:
Thanks dejahboi! I was looking everywhere for that. Now if I flash my nandroid from when I was stock, flash this kernel, flash the stock recovery and relock the phone will I be good for the OTA?
[HTC Rezound] neckbonest:
thanks. thats just like the fxz files for the bionic. if i am just stock rooted and unlocked, i do not have to run the ruu right? just flash stock recovery and relock bootloader?
[HTC Rezound] I Am Marino:
So same question from another topic involving this.

If I'm getting the phone tomorrow, it's most likely going to make me get the OTA after first boot.

Is it going to screw me for trying to root and unlock for the first time?
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
Having a lil problem. I'm on my original stock rom. Unlocked, perma rooted, amon ra. I really wanna flash this update. I pushed the stock recovery using clean flash. I assume it's good but when I go to recovery I get the red triangle. Problem?

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[HTC Rezound] kishin14:
If you're on a rooted stock rom that's not been modded, except being rooted and having frozen some apps via titanium back up, then you do not have to go through all these steps.

I was on a custom rom (CleanROM 1.5.5). I restored a nandroid backup I made right after I unlocked, rooted and froze some apps on my phone for the first time. It was completely stock. Then I flashed the stock recovery file that is available in the first post. After rebooting, I accepted the OTA update and it installed with no problem. I didn't have to RUU, or relock then re-unlock the bootloader. I didn't even have to unfreeze the bloat that I froze.

Afterwards, I flashed Amon Ra recovery, then installed SU and superuser using it. I did have to reinstall the superuser.apk from the market, but my phone rooted just fine.

So if you're on the stock rom with no modifications (except root and frozen apps) or can nandroid back to stock (also make sure that your boot.img is also stock), then all you need to do is flash the stock recovery then go from there. Just an FYI.
[HTC Rezound] m3Jorge:
FYI...

BAMF ROM updated main version to 2.01.605.11 so cannot go back to STOCK 1.02.605.6. But, if you want the OTA new Radio you can still update the firmware from the OTA you just need to extract the Firmware.zip from the OTAPkg.zip here http://xdaforums.com/show...3&postcount=61 put it in the root of you sdcard and rename to PH98IMG.zip then boot to the relocked bootloader and it will flash the firmware update for you without the mainver error. After that you can Unlock the bootloader again and either re-flash BAMF or restore from nandroid or wait for a stock rooted image of the new OTA.

I did this myself and can confirm it works just fine!!! I now have my restored nandroid of BAMF and the new radio, bootloader, etc from the OTA frimware update!!!

BTW This should also work with any other custom ROM if all you want is the updated firmware and not the whole OTA...
[HTC Rezound] kishin14:
Don't go to recovery directly. Instead, just push the update from the system update option under settings.

I was like you -- stock, unlocked, rooted but unmodded -- and flashed stock recovery using Scott's Clean Flash tool. When I went straight to recovery it started the update then hung on the red triangle. However, when I tried to update by going into settings then manually pushing the update via the "system update => check new" option, it worked perfectly.
[HTC Rezound] neckbonest:
how do you flash the stock recovery? i cant seem to find out how to do that.
[HTC Rezound] snowride20:
Thanks kishin14. Will try first thing tomorrow when I get home. Don't know where I would be without the help of everyone here at XDA.
[HTC Rezound] majorhunadadun:
Well I just got fed up and did just that because I figured out I was stock rooted. I flashed the stock recovery as instructed then updated. The only thing was I didn't uninstall superuser. :rolleyes: It worked though. What's the version number of this software?

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Do you have Clean Flash 1.0?
[HTC Rezound] dejahboi:
I just followed the OP instructions :).

This is what I did to get the OTA update:

1) Went into recovery and "Wipe data/factory reset"

2) Flashed the stock rooted deoxide Rom ( restoring your stock nandroid will work)

3) Relocked my phone through fastboot

And once phone is recognized on your computer and you have command prompt open, change your directory where ever your adb.exe, adbwinapi.dll, and fastboot.exe file is located. So you'd type " cd (file location)" i.e. mine is " cd c:\Android)

and to lock your phone type in cmd prompt " fastboot oem lock " and that should lock your phone

4) I ran RUU, and once that was finished I went ahead and let the phone boot up and skipped all the registration. Went straight to settings scrolled down to software update and there's your OTA :)

After I went through the whole HTC dev unlocking again, and reflashed the rooted stock rom. Unfortunately I can't go back to the ICS roms since it updated the "mainver". I'll probably just push the kernal to make the work again :)