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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hab1:
I'm a newbie, so I won't do it but this new information with possible wifi fix probably deserves a new thread so we can get more people testing it out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theeggman:
I haven't tested outside of my network much with my Prime... But so far... the wifi on it seems to be solid for me.

*however, I should note the one of my wifi APs is in the same room I use my Prime in frequently*
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Evo_Shift:
There are problems....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you have me laughing..good one..lmfao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
..the workaround shown here does not solve the main issue.

Are we all going to send the device back as RMA or we are all beginning soldering our Primes and break the warranty?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clenz:
See if you notice any difference in GPS. After this trick I was able to start seeing satellites where it was dead before.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Hab1:
What I'm wondering is if during assembly or shipping one of the pogos was pushed down and didn't come back up straight and therefore was "stuck" in the down position. The pushing down might correct that and allow the contact to come back up straight.

I know it's a long shot but I'll take anything and after hearing of RMA nightmares, I'd be happy if this worked without having to send to ASUS. I will try it tonight.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
the workaround night not but the evidence E.mote pointed out is way more of a factor than the backplate when it comes to wireless connections. if these contacts are actually loose or not getting good contacts then it won't matter if you have a plastic or paper back prime. you will get signal degradation. This revelation about the pogo pin connectors is the core of everything. backplate could contribute but this type of pin connection influences everything wireless in prime. if these don't have a good connection then everything is shot n other things just contribute. This makes alot more sense and proof actually shown than the actual metal backing itself. If this is the true or root cause of issues ,then if this gets fixed, metal backplate can stay on. As the metal backplate will only slightly affect performance.

look at it like this. Signal strength/range/stability will be diminished if connectors or loose n don't have good contact. this goes even deeper or mote complex than metal backplate.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
If in fact individual Prime's are performing so differently, Asus has a serious problem on their hands. If one in four customers are returning or exchanging their Prime's, Asus will make zero profit (and potentially incur a loss) over the intended lifespan of the device. And resellers won't tolerate a 1:4 ratio as their expense in managing returns is typically 15-20% of their costs. And what's so different about the Prime that's causing such deviation between devices? Could it be the complexity and sensitivity introduced by its metal back cover? The TF1 didn't/doesn't have wireless issues worth 100's of pages of discussion so it's not like this is Asus' first rodeo.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pdagal:
Hopefully this will help Asus figure it out, but I'd think to a technician this should be a self-evident thing to check. I wonder if those pins don't pop out during final assembly on some units and a little pressure frees them. Conversely too much pressure while being carried in a bag could compress them and get them stuck? Maybe... who knows. I personally don't think the metal back plate is the problem at all, it's the wireless connectors.

I'm glad the fix it working for some folks, at any rate :) It made my day to seem my latest Prime finally working.

Had Asus sent us a review unit at MobileTechReview months ago, think of the time and trouble I could have saved everyone;) But Asus doesn't give us the time of day.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PJTOUCHHD:
mine's all good! Wifi & GPS, had nearly two weeks now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
For Asus's sake, lets hope that it isn't the main cause of majority of their problems. Not only will this trouble Asus in actually pinpointing to certain batch that's having issues, but it also means the performance of Prime will vary daily based on POGO pin connection (performance is erratic & isn't very reliable in general). This is far more troubling & cumbersome for Asus... (also, it is H/W issue).

Not only that but changing router configuration (by degrading 5 ghz N router to 2.4ghz and etc) to increase the performance of Prime doesn't make sense.. if POGO pins are the culprit for decrease in WIFI performance.

Also, get over it with metal backplate. History in general shows metal/aluminium backplate decreases the performance of radio/wifi/gps.. or whatever signal in general.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Here is a link with tons of pictures from Original Transformer teardown. I found some interesting photos that may show OG transformer used different method of securing wireless contacts. For those who know what to look for, also check out this link n see if OG transformer used same method or not. This could be a big deal if OG transformer didn't. Ill post some pics I found interesting from there. There are like all pictures from every aspect of teardowm of OG transformer.

http://m.techrepublic.com/photos/cr...-transformer-tf101/6270147?seq=53#photo-frame

OG Transformer teardown pix

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No one is saying that so you get over it..lol What I'm saying is if this issue holds true, THIS IS MORE OF A MAJOR FACTOR TO SIGNAL DEGRADATION THAN METAL BACKPLATE. This is not hard to comprehend. This goes further to root of issue than backplate. Backplate last thing to be slapped on. If connectors aren't getting good contacts then you could have no backplate on at all and will still get bad signals, for those who have them ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clenz:
that GPS/Wifi connection looks like a soldered wire and not pogo pin to me!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
THANK YOU! For zooming thst section up. I completely missed it. Im lsughing over here thst we proved a point! Now this is something....OG transformer had a more secure connection. DO we know if it uses the exact same broadcom chip or is the one in the prime a newer updated one? This has the type of better more secure connection E.Mote described in his post. Soldered pigtail connection vs. The pogo pin connection found in the Prime. BaM!!

ALso from Googling tf101 wireless, it seems as if the OG transformer had a good share of wifi problems also. Plenty of threads on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
No, it isn't just slight.. it is SIGNIFICANT affect....

Why do you think Asus inserted extra WIFI antenna?

Let say POGO pins are part of the problem, but Asus still has to overcome metal backplate problem (at least for GPS).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
With this new info, I think a new thread may need to be started with teardown info and pix from Prime and OG Transformer. It will be comparing the two types of connections and the benefits, drawbacks, and theories of what is Really going on with the Prime. I BET if Prime had the soldered pigtail connection there would be no wireless issues at all really. BACKPLATE could still degrade slightly but this has more influence than anything. This would make GPS more than usable for traveling.

Why has everyone been having to play detective and engineer to figure out Asus mistakes? Lmfao

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OK. But if the pins are a major part of the problem, wireless performance would be greatly increased vs. If they only change the backplate.

I know metal backplate an issue, I'm just saying this new find has just as much of an impact or more on wireless performance than metal backplate. That's all. Plus this would be alot cheaper solution for Asus to fix vs. Having to fabricate a whole new back for the prime or replace the back.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
More or less an educated hypothesis but..

1.) if POGO pins are also part of the issue (which, could explain the erratic performance of primes), that really means Asus has to make another humiliating statement... & really... force a RECALL of all primes that are in the Wild as it's difficult to pinpoint which "prime" or "batch of prime" is facing this issue.

2.) I believe Asus has to go through FCC again if they were to revise the POGO pins as well (if they were to solder it)

3.) Revision of POGO pins into solder would probably cost more over simple backplate design/switch.

4.) Until that backplate changes, the most you can get from Prime GPS is aGPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] t3ch7:
I tried this and didn't work. I still have no working GPS and my wifi signal...while decent, has a 50%-66% drop (using speedtest) as I get further away from my router.

With speedtest at my router, I'd get a constant 9mbps. When the wifi signal drops to 2-3 bars, I'd get around 3-4.5mbps. But, changing my router to only b/g helped - instead of 3-4.5, I would get 5-6mbps.

So, either pogo plug or the wireless card is funky with N or something else or combination everything.

I have no problems with my Prime, but I have no clue how it'll work in a hotel since I don't have any upcoming trips soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fenturi:
Can some people test with bluetooth on and paired to speakers? My Ipod touch can stream netflix and playback audio on bluetooth speakers (only other device I had to test with) but the prime's wifi go's dead with blootooth on.

I'm being told 98% of primes don't have this issue... but I'm thinking most people have not tested it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Post this in the sticky thread up top by Gary Key. Post in the BT/Wifi one. Also send Gary a PM stating issue n your serial number of Prime. He is the Asus Technical Marketing Representative handling issues here with people in their prime. HE Wants that info so he can cross reference it to see if you may possibly have an older model from early batch. He will be able to help you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pyro6128:
I pull 24Mbps down and 17 up at work, and I'm far from the router through walls. I guess I got lucky. Is there an app that will tell you how far from the wifi source you are?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fenturi:
I did, he told me it only affected 0.0X% of primes... aka less than 10%. But I am thinking that many people have just not tried to use bluetooth and wifi at the same time.

Hence why I'd love it if a few people could test and say they do not have an issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Just search...there's a couple threads that were made on that exact same issue. It might be a few pages back or so. OTA here in general section though. There was quite a few people, it seemed having this issue. That's why Gary made the sticky thread up top about it. Unless something you described to thinkn was different than what others have described.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
Where are you pressing in relation to the buttons on the top? There is a Volume button on the upper right, and the Micro SD slot just to the left of middle. And there is some sort of connector just to the left of the volume button.

Where in relation to all of these are you pressing?

Thanks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Your opinion is based on ignorance and apathy, and frankly you should be ashamed to air it on these boards.

We now understand the issue with WiFi being good to excellent on some units and garbage on others.

This is also the same issue that plagues the GPS, as far as we can tell.

Now that I've supplied the means to cure your ignorance on this subject, it's up to you to deal with the apathy (the fact that you're too lazy to test a feature that is regarded as universally broken, but you'll say it works good enough for you).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pdagal:
Hold it in landscape mode in front of you and facing you. Press along the black bezel (closer to the top edge) along the top, right and left of the front camera. I also support the back side with my fingers so I'm sort of pinching the tablet. There's a single contact just off center and two that are close to the left and right side about an inch or less from the ends. Do not use excessive force, it doesn't take a vise to do the trick.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
Thanks for your post. Kind of hard for me to hold the three contact points all at once, single contact just off center, and the two just an inch from each end.

Tried looking at WiFi Analyzer and squeezing, but did not see a big difference that my squeezing might have caused.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pdagal:
You do not need to hold all contact points at one. Press along the top edge area like you're sealing a manilla envelop. Work from one side to the other and press all along the way, since you can't see exactly where the contacts are, you'll get them that way since you'll work over the entire area :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Pics below show locations of the 3 pins, two (main wifi, GPS) on the right side, one (aux wifi) on left. I've also attached hi-res images of the front & back halves from the Anandtech teardown.

I agree that the "massage" workaround isn't a permanent solution. Even if no shifting takes place, copper surface will oxidize and degrade the connectivity over time. The only solution is for Asus to solder jumper cables to bypass the present connections, preferably using low-loss LMR-100A coax or equiv. It's a simple fix, but would require RMA.

front half

back half
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pdagal:
And that's a wireless design change, so the Prime with new connectors would probably have to pass through the FCC again :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Unit construction and components remain the same. A wiring change (improvement) would mean slightly higher antenna gain, but likely not enough to require new FCC test. Regardless, FCC requirement wouldn't affect the fixing of units already in the field.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Pogo pin connectors aren't inherently evil and are used in many mobile devices without short or long term issues. If there's a problem with using them in the Prime I'd guess it's either the quality of the pin itself or an issue with production tolerances. And if that’s the case, who knows what percentage of Prime’s are produced out of spec. Regardless, I don't see Asus redesigning the Prime when they have an almost identical (technically) redesigned device on its way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
..so all of us are screwed?

If there is a design malfunction they have to recall the devices, like cars company or similar do.

I think 600€ wasted because of a piece of metal, is more than "patience" can bear.

I hope Gary Key will come with some idea/advices/solutions
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I don't think soldering connections will warrant a complete design change. They could do a bypass like e.mote described. It could be a solution only for devices that may be affected by it or ones sent in.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
What's changed since yesterday? X% of people were happy and defending Wi-Fi and X% weren't. Why because some pictures of pogo pins were enlarged and posted has everyone become hysterical? Assuming the people that are happy are legitimately so, there's some percentage of Prime's that appear to be under performing. We have no more confirmation today than we did yesterday as to what the cause really is. If it is pogo pin related, it's probably not the use of the pins themselves in the design but either a QC issue from the pin provider or a manufacturing issue. If it were a universal flaw all Prime's would be performing identically. Unless that's what everyone's saying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Based on your theories, or assumptions... these Pogo pins can "act" up at any given time...

How will you adjust to that?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Think about the costs involved. Asus would have to pay r/t shipping which is about $30. Their repair facilities aren't set up to do craftsman like work in large volumes - they replace parts or units. They'd have to set up the equivalent of a production line to handle all the returns in a reasonable amount of time and fabricate new parts and methods for newly trained people to make the changes. All on a device they make $100 on. The economics don't make sense when they have a solution coming via the TF700.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
True but we know this though. They will have to do something n repair peoples devices under warranty. Whatever method they choose it on them but under warranty, It has to be fixed by them. One way or another.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Why? From the tear downs the Prime's as solid as a rock when sealed so there should be little flex or side-to-side movement that should effect the placement of the pin. If the pin itself is prone to failure or defect or if the pad it connects to isn't positioned correctly I could see it being a problem. But, again, pogo pin connectors are widely used without issue in other mobile devices.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
That's according to Demandrin.. and what he found...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Using you as an example, you've said numerous times you're happy with your Wi-Fi and that it's as good as your Atrix. What are you wanting them to "repair" for you? And why do you feel any differently today than you did yesterday?

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I must have missed something. What did he "find" that's not completely speculative?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
demandrin, Remember when you said this is a battle of good and evil or something of that sorts, where the good are the happy and content with their primes. Welcome to the Dark Side :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
More of question to Demandrin on how Asus should act based on his "assumption" or "speculation".

I too am puzzled by such reaction based on pure speculation & assumption based on one individual. While ignoring metal/aluminium backplate... & telling the "minority" to "F#$ off" for the longest time...

Why the sudden change of attitude?

As I mentioned numerous time.. especially in s/w perspective.. these allegations on POGO pins doesn't make any sense to me:

1. statements by individuals who say "OTA improved/ruined my wifi/gps performance"

2. change of channels & frequency of router to improve Prime's performance (it shouldn't work either way if POGO pins are cause of the issue).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
There are some things Asus has done with the Prime that are questionable and I certainly won't defend them. But this sudden verdict without trial on the pogo pins as the cause of all things Wi-Fi being wonky doesn't make any sense (at this point).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Easy as you are right. That is what i said n still feel the same. I ran by serial number by Gary n he told me it was from an early batch n someone would call me. Ill easily take the new hardware revision over older one. Especially if it might mean might GPS might finally work. I never said "I want them to repair mines". Plus although no dropped signals or anything, wifi signal still fluctuates alot. SO if older hardware was never really meant to be shipped out then people on older batch entitled to the upgrade, or sorts. I did pay for this device, Cash, and I do have a warranty. I never had an issue like others been posting. SO ILL TAKE THE MINI UPGRADE IF OFFERED. That's all. Plus from hearing the horror stories from returns like guy with device smashed, I'm not sure if I would even send mines in yet. Especially since overall having no problems. GPS aside. Remember, they are people out there that have GPS working to some extent one way or another. I having seen a lock yet, although I never tried for more than 5 mins n was indoors everytime. I haven't taken my prime outdoors yet. Plus based on my date of final purchase 12/22 I'd be entitled to any possible hardware fixes for GPS since mine is clearly shown to be purchased before they took GPS spec down.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>Pogo pin connectors aren't inherently evil and are used in many mobile devices without short or long term issues

I've never seen pogo pins & contact pads being used for antenna connections, Prime aside. The need for good connectivity is paramount for antenna pigtails, given the low signal level.

>Regardless, I don't see Asus redesigning the Prime when they have an almost identical (technically) redesigned device on its way.

We don't know if the insides of the TF700 haven't changed.

Pogo pins were used because antennas are mounted separate from the main PCB--unlike most other tabs including the TF101. Using pogo pins removes one step from manufacturing process, ie having someone to physically attach pigtails from one half to the other before final assembly.

That antennas are mounted on a different half from the main PCB is that while the Al shell is stiff enough to allow mounting of most components, increased distance from the metal back increases antenna receptivitity. As TF700 will have plastic strip, ants may be mounted on the back shell, removing need for pogo pins.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I'm cheesing over here. I was just waiting for someone to say that..lmfao you got me.

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I like it when you post..lol. you know your stuff n it always makes sense from a technical point of view. Plus you seem to post from a neutral standpoint. Just stating the facts.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Most of the newer broadband dongles use pogo pins as antenna connectors due to space limitations. I haven't heard of any widespread issues with connectivity or longevity. Asus may have dropped the ball on the implementation but the choice of pogo pins in and of itself isn't reason to shoot them (yet).
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] pewipo123:
anyone know.what the " El29 modem bug fix " is?? im using UNnamed rom with the.el29 modem and just was notified about the ota update.. i might be waaaay behind.idk, but is it safe to download and flash? its 24mb?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cidica:
It's most likely the Full EL29 update that Sprint is pushing out that removes Carrier IQ from our phones. And no it's not safe to download any OTA if you are rooted it would fail anyways.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] pewipo123:
ok.. thanx.. ill probly wait and make sure it doesnt take away my 4g hack.or.anything... thanx man!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] playya:
It probably wont work anyways since you are not on stock. Since you are running UnNamed like me you are already good...

I put the attached file in system/app folder and rebooted into recovery and wiped cache and dalvlik and have not seen the popup since. Oh yea I ran fix permissions just for good measure. You can also check out this thread here
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nivron:
Sprint announcement is here.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tygger:
If I do this update, would it effect my ability to root in the future?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] parkslope:
Highly unlikely. However, if you want to be completely safe, root and install a rom with EL29 and also update your modem.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SantinoInc:
You have almost nothing to gain from updating to this if you're already rooted...this has been leaked weeks ago already and as far as I can tell it's exactly the same thing.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ja5oN:
Just flash Calk's E4GT v2.8.1 Rom... Includes Root, Rogue EL29 kernel, El29 Modem... It's a bad ass Rom!

Here's the link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1332837