yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Jesus christ, the guy just wanted to share his joy and introduce himself.

If I just got released from prison, I'd be telling random people on the street that I'm a free man. People congratulated me instead of asking "what's your point?"
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
sorry about that i just figured that normally when people start a thread it is to say something other than hello to the community (report a problem ect) but w/e nice to have another new member on this great device

no hard feelings
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jordanjay29:
Yay! Welcome to the tablet family. Have you formed an opinion yet on when to use your tablet and when to use your phone?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] notown775:
I kinda figured its cool I took it in stride. Thanks for the warm welcome lol

Not yet. I really like it though, so now I have a laptop, tablet, and my sensation. I think it'll take up my quick browsing from laptop away. I will only use my laptop to do rom/rooting related things..

!!rcMIXed sensation!!
[Off-topic] WickedDaze:
I see that you said you did not write this but, who did? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] deliriousDroid:
Even though not your writing, the author deserves credit. If its not written by "anonymous";)
[Off-topic] mark manning:
John Perry Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Off-topic] mark manning:
Bump. .
[Off-topic] mtmerrick:
The amazing part was, if you find the original of this, it had "the Telecommunications Reform Act" instead of SOPA/PIPA.

This was originally written in 1996.

https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iceman99393:
Recently sony said they Would be using the same kernel to get ics out faster. If that's true then why hasn't anyone been able to make a ics rom for our locked r800's? So we Could nandroid boot this rom.what am i missing here?
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] salah_heart:
sorry my english

now i have huawei u8800H i realy have big proplem for me

the USB port charging only mymobile the computer never recognize the mobile not even read the internal memory i dont know what is this

i have xperia neo it work nice so i dont have proplem with USB

the mobile working nice but i want it to be normal to root or using fastboot

realy dont know where i can start cuz i never see this befor
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
I dont know about you guys, but seriously.. all the ad crap associated with the normal download sites is getting ridiculous. Its as easy as a few clicks to make a torrent and we could seed these things at ridiculous speeds.

If there is a reason we are using these other BS sites, that's fine.. I guess I just don't know what that reason might be :)
[HTC Rezound] fbm111:
Money I would say.
[HTC Rezound] barbs666:
Yeah tiredness would be a awesome way to distro but yep I think its the advertising money :-)
[HTC Rezound] Etrick:
Problem with torrents is versions... everyone would be sharing old versions... Simpler fix would be getting devs sponserships.... A dev could get sponsered by a site like engadget and have a article-like post to display links to the file on engadget. An xda thread would then follow it with links but it would have to link to the article not the file, which could be sketchy with xda rules... Which means beginner devs would be left out unfortunately. But places like file uploading sites cannot watch every upload, so they cannot police the uploads themselves. So little guys will have to pay for server space until recognized, and they get picked up by a sponsor...
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
I don't know if different versions would be that problematic. Sure, older versions would still be out there, but if a post was created that always contained the latest torrents for the latest roms, then the only people who would be getting old versions would be people leeching from outside of XDA.

I was thinking about keeping an updated copy of all roms, and then creating torrent links, seeded by me for others to DL and share. Of course I will check with the Devs first.

However, the problem with the system now, is even I, an accomplished programmer and highly skilled on the internet, am having problems figuring out at times which link is the correct and real download link. These free share sites are so full of garbage ads and trick links to get you click on everything BUT the actual DL link. Once you have successfully navigated the shark filled waters and obtained your file, it downloads at a snails pace.

It's just an idea, and obviously would need some collaboration and planning to work well for all involved
[HTC Rezound] feralicious:
Would this be on a private tracker? Seems that would be easy for people to add malicious content and upload it then have it spread all over the place if it's not on a private and secure tracker.

I guess the .torrent files could just be posted in the threads as the download links are now to keep people who aren't actively seeking something like this away. I'm just picturing all of this going out on tpb or something and people not having a clue ruining their phones and spreading malicious content. But I guess there's no reason that couldn't be happening already.
[HTC Rezound] Serinety:
there is nothing that prevents some yahoo from coming onto xda, grabbing a file without reading anything, and then bricking his device. the "tracker" would simply be whatever stickied post we have that has the links to the torrents. If I were hosting the torrents links, I would just provide them (the torrent files) via my dropbox. the only people who would even be leeching and seeding would be those people who got the link from that post, which would also link to the roms OP that contains the instructions, should people want/need them.

The only issue with this method is the slow start. I have 5MB up stream, but if 100 people hit that all at the same time, it would slow to a crawl, I would have to limit my seeds to 2 or 3, and speeds would suffer until we had a good base (would only take a few hours). But after that, speeds on the torrent would be plenty fast to support <5 min DL times
[HTC Rezound] feralicious:
True. And there's nothing stopping someone grabbing the file, modifying it with malicious content and uploading it to a public torrent site either. That's why I said it could be already happening.

For torrents to work there has to be a hosting tracker. That's how everyone gets connected, via the tracker that facilitates it all and hosts the original .torrent file. It's not just simply where the .torrent file lives to be downloaded from, it is software that tracks who is trying to connect, who has what pieces of the file, who is requesting them, etc... it's what makes Bitorrent work. Without it no one can connect to each other. So if you simply make a .torrent file and give it to people via dropbox nothing will happen since it's not being hosted on a tracker. If you look at your torrent client when you've got something loaded you'll see there's a column for what tracker it's on. If you try to open a .torrent file that is no longer being hosted on a tracker you will get an error.

There's many sites that have trackers, some public where anyone can download the torrent and some private where you have to be member to download and some even more private where whenever you download the torrent your personal passkey is embedded/added to it so that it is affiliated with your account. Sites that track user's share ratio do that.

So there is the issue of what tracker is to be used on what site? If it's on a public site then that torrent is out there for the whole world with no documentation which is probably not that good of an idea. If it's on a private site then people have to register, in which case perhaps xda or an xda member might want to set up a tracker site just for Android ROMs and such.

There is a way to set up your own tracker but I've never looked into it much so I don't know if the only access is to those who actually have the torrent file or if the file is listed somewhere and available publicly.

The reason torrents are slow when they start is because there is only one person with the entire file. As the pieces flow out to the "100" leechers they will begin sharing with each other. Bitorrent is written so that the original seeder gives out different pieces to different people so that then they can continue sharing amongst each other. So in theory, the original seeder should only have to give out exactly one full copy of the file and the rest of the work is done by the swarm.

As I understand it you shouldn't have to limit your seeds that much, clients are written to know how to handle it, and the more people you give different pieces to the more they can share with each other which is what really gets the speeds going. There's also superseed mode if you are the original seeder, which at this time I can't remember how that makes a difference since it's been a long time since I've used it.

You should, however, cap your upload speed to a little below capacity, although this is usually done to help get better download speeds. Can't explain why off the top of my head but it has to do with keeping the pipeline open for the two way traffic.
[HTC Rezound] Scary Guy:
This just popped in my head today trying to download some ROMs and things with slow server connections.

I see torrents as only being a good thing assuming enough people are actually seeding the file. Hell, torrent it as a directory with a zip and the instructions in a text file. Also posting it with a version/date would be a good idea too.

Why is this a good thing? Well there is so much illegal content on torrent sites that it would be nice to see it used for other legitimate purposes besides indie albums and Linux ISO files. It's OUR job to try to keep it legitimate.

When you download a file it sends packets, and before it can transmit the next one it has to verify that you actually received the previous one. If the upload is maxed out it can't do that as fast as normal so it retards your download speed.

My advice to everyone is to look at your network traffic upload when downloading a large file, then cap it to just below whatever it's peaking at.
[HTC Rezound] spitzaf:
I'm all for the idea of using torrents for ROM downloads. I personally have a NAS holding my downloads, so once seeding I'd have the ROM up 24/7.

I don't like public sites but I'm sure no one in here has an issue with signing up for a free private one. Best solution would be XDA as the tracker so that its all internal, but not sure they'd go for that.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
and how exactly would the devs track their downloads? Most devs only continue to release ROMs if there is interest.

This has been talked about before, and the devs are against it. I think less people use torrents than you think.
[HTC Rezound] Scary Guy:
XDA could use magnet links as the tracker (much as TPB is doing now.)

As far as interest, you can see it in the ROM threads when there are 50 someodd pages for one ROM, and three for another. You could even put in an (opt in) anonymous tracker app that reports usage statistics and/or thank them for the ROM on the original post.
[HTC Rezound] brando56894:
I've always had this idea also and Magnet links would be great. This idea once again popped into my head when I was downloading Newts Senseless ICS that the other guy (forget his name) has been updating. I downloaded it on my phone over wifi and it literallly took about 45 minutes to download because it was capped since I had a free account on the hosting site.

Another great perk of using torrents would be you wouldn't have to wait for the uploader to finish uploading to the site so people can start downloading, and in the rare case the upload screws up everyone doesn't have to wait hours once again for the file to be re-uploaded. Also it's less bandwidth used since there isn't a central server.
[HTC Rezound] spitzaf:
So if some users wanted to start this but the devs wanted their own hosting, would the devs get angry at others hosting their ROMs in torrents? I think if we want to test this out it'd be worthwhile. Then if it works well, devs can start if they wish. Worst case scenario we have multiple download sources.

Count me in for trials if someone picks a tracker.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
of course the devs would get pissed if you started torrenting their ROMs. Its their intellectual property.
[HTC Rezound] jrsmith:
Torrenting != pirating. It's just a file sharing protocol.
[HTC Rezound] feralicious:
nrfitchett (which gets autocorrected to bewitched ;)) was replying specifically to the post quoted above which suggests doing it against dev's wishes.
[HTC Rezound] spitzaf:
Not against, in addition to. If they said "no you can't" then we shouldn't. However if they just didn't want to do it themselves but don't care if we do, then its fine.
[HTC Rezound] jrsmith:
I didn't read it that way, especially considering the "intellectual property" bit. Regardless, this sort of setup would work best if the devs were seeding their releases themselves, so there would be no permission issues. The file obviously has to come from them initially, and they'd control what they put out there.

A private tracker would solve 99% of the concerns here, and is a common use case for trackers already. A limited number of users are allowed to post the torrents to the tracker, while all users are allowed to download.

Every time I'm dealing with broken links to megaupload or listening to people complain that uploads to the myriad file hosting services are slow or crapping out in the middle, I wonder yet again why someone hasn't set up a private tracker for rom distribution.
[HTC Rezound] Scary Guy:
Exactly, and it would also prevent things like this from happening.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1163009

Specifically see the post at:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22626534&postcount=566

This is a perfect example of why these things should have torrents. I had 2.3.5 WebTop on my system but deleted it because it was outdated. I didn't think every other copy on the internet would disappear as well :(

Oh well, hopefully he learns to keep backups now :)
[HTC Rezound] Sleek69:
Torrents would result in old versions being seeded. SVN is a much better solution.
[HTC Rezound] jrsmith:
Most large CVS systems (github, bitbucket, etc) will cap your bandwidth pretty quick if you start using a ton. Check their TOS.

I don't think having old torrents still around and being seeded is any worse than the current method of updating the OP with a new link. The old links are often still valid, and they get quoted throughout the thread sometimes. Tracker software allows you to delete torrents so while current seeds and leeches would still be downloading the older revision, they wouldn't show up when searching on the tracker, and any links to the torrent itself would stop working.
[HTC Rezound] spitzaf:
SVN is also harder for some users to figure out, but I agree its the "perfect world" case.
[HTC Rezound] jdmba:
Torrents

I certainly hope not. No intention of ever torrenting in this legal climate of guilty until proven innocent; even if 100% legitimate.
[HTC Rezound] feralicious:
Someone has to make the claim that you are distributing their property for anyone to come after you. If it were implemented it would be with the dev's consent. I highly doubt any of them would then claim copyright infringement and loss of revenue.
[HTC Rezound] jrsmith:
Again, torrenting != pirating. If that were the case, every WoW player would be getting sued. Blizzard uses bittorrent to distribute patches.
[HTC Rezound] spitzaf:
+1 for understanding that torrents are used for other purposes. NASA used to seed their Blue Marble imagery with torrents, too.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agb12345:
hello everyone!

I recently got the transformer prime (upgraded to ICS) and I have noticed that when trying to play an audio file with the stock music player from a file browser (ive tried both the stock Asus one and file manager HD) an oddity occurs: rather than playing the song in the background as It normally would, It plays the selected audio file as a sort of preview and will stop playing as soon as there is any input anywhere else on the screen. This includes files that are both inside and outside of the music folder.

This is annoying for me because I like to keep lecture files (im a student) in a separate file with all my notes. Poweramp (my primary music player) works very well with the file manager but it lacks one feature I find very useful: the ability to pause the music via the notification bar, thereby allowing me to have lecture slides open and full control over the audio lecture file without switching windows away from my lecture slides.

Does anyone know any workarounds that disables this "preview" feature in the stock ics music player and simply just plays it, or any other music players/plug ins that would allow the in-notification-music-control feature with another player?

I have not rooted my device. Stock Asus version of ICS.

thanks!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shakes27:
Have you tried playing them through the app? They would probably show up under unknown artist if they're recognized as music files. But unless someone edits the .apk to remove that feature, you'll need to find another way around it. I remember vanilla Gingerbread did this too, so it isn't new to ICS. (Might have been a feature before, but I never noticed on Froyo and ran Sense before that) As far as other players, I believe that's the only app to have the notification controls so far. I do know that ES File Explorer has a built-in music player, but I don't know much about it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Rengak05:
Hi XDA folks,

Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer

http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/

Cheers,

Renga:cool:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
My French needs some work. You mind translating
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Rengak05:
here you go!!

This is what i got when i translated.. with googles help ;)

Many of us regret installing Honeycomb on the HTC Flyer . Gingerbread for a return on it will send its tablet for service or simply flash the UCP method (not verified) that we can show you on request.

Honeycomb has taken a while but for Ice Cream Sandwich the story will be different since the update is scheduled for the first quarter, in a little over 2 months the very most!

Thank you to bandjamesband for the info!

We remind you that Google had not delivered the source code and therefore Honeycomb HTC 's had to do with using the SDK. So Sense is much less well integrated in Android 3.2. With the arrival of Android 4.0 on our shelves is expected obviously a major concern of this correction
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Well yes according to that it looks likely.

The conversation with HTC which is mostly missing appears to have been about what options a user had to get off honeycomb.

The response from HTC was to send it to after sales service for a downgrade to gingerbread or to wait for the ICS update

The follow up question was, when is the ICS update planned for?

The response: Planned for the first quarter of this year.

I didn't translate the article, just the "chat with us conversation" from where the information about the update comes. And yes I am 100% certain of the accuracy of meaning in my translation.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] IP IHI II IL:
How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?

\\Carved into this thread by my RAZR//

http://android-gz.com
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
shameful as my mother is a French Canadian that I could not piece together the message. Hopeful it its true though
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Like this: +1

Plus un, would be a suitable translation but I don't think I've every seen it written in words in any language.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] eman3316@optonline.net:
So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
I prefer honeycomb but reasons why are all opinion
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.:rolleyes:

But anyway my unofficial poll came out like this.

Favor HC: 96%

Favor GB: 3%

Favor Terminal mode: 1%
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Gumby63:
+1...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] legend221:
I prefer GB, battery life is a bit improved and I can make calls again.

Backwards compatibility is not all the way there for HC.

Yeah it looks fancier and all but I can make voip calls and all my bought apps that are bought for my Inspire 4G work 100% on GB Flyer.

Since I have AT&Trash the reception here leaves alot to be desired so I rely on my Flyer for phonecalls + I can call pretty much call or receive nationwide for free.

I know some do not care about this feature but it is essential to me and especially my gf. Yak, Yak, Yak. lol

Info on the procedure here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1449859
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I hope this is true but I don't believe it.

Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] psijac:
I am full of doubt, especially considering how long honeycombe took and the fact that the flyer is pretty much discontinued
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] whmcal:
I agree. Hate to be pessimist, but I think the road ends with Honeycomb and all its shortcomings.

Sent from my HTC Flyer; resisting Honeycomb due to allergy
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] eman3316@optonline.net:
My question is will Honeycomb actually be supported a little further down the road or will it just be forgotten. It seems like it was just a bridge to hold over tablet owners until the real OS hit, ICS. So what will developers do and will they continue to make everything Honeycomb compatible.

I almost feel like Google should request all Honeycomb tablets be upgraded to ICS and they should take the hit on any costs to do since they are responsible for putting together a half assed OS until ICS rolled out...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spdie:
Microsoft did that with Win/ME and Vista
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] loni90:
what i dont like with HC is the bar at the bottum... takes up to much screen.

this baby only got 7 inch, and by haveing a permanent bar there, makes the screen even smaller. dont like it..

the flyer/view got some HW-buttons, so the bar isent that useful...

but otherwise i prefere HC
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Everyone needs to get a grip.

HC will go the way of Froyo and GB. They will be forgotten and the next big thing ICS and then Jelly Bean will replace them and on and on. Hardware will always be outdated in 6 to 9 months and new stuff will replace it. As for Google dictating that HW vendors and sellers update to the latest OS, they tried that in the annual meeting Oct. 2011 and got the big one fingered salute from all the manufacturer and cell carriers. Google is in no position to dictate things. They attempted to get everyone to agree to updating all devices to the new OS within 4 months and no one agreed. So it's all best effort meaning sellers can do it if they want to.

You have to remember that HW sellers don't make money from fixing all your problems and updating software. They make money from selling new hardware. So they will choose to do the bare minimum level of support. Now that may not be what you think is right or how it "should be", but that is reality and not accepting that will just make you more unhappy. Where you going to go? Apple? MIcrosoft? maybe.... Microsoft started out having a central update site for all Windows phone, but they have abandoned that concept due to cell carrier pressure. So now they are in the same boat as Google with users beholding to cell providers for their updates.

Google does not make a dime from direct Android sales. They are an advertising company.