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[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bicture:
Thanks for the solution.But I've done something wrong,I done step 4,5 before step 2,3(my confusing).

now when I used "adb devices" it said "List of devices attached 3Axxxxxxxxx device"

and when I used command in step3 it said "<waiting for the device>".

How can I solve it ?

Thx for take care a newbie like me.I'm very appreciate that.
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b63:
nothing could be happened

point 4 - if you downloaded the file first ->ok

point 5 - the command could not work cause you'r still not in fastboot - right ?

just start from beginning and skip point 4 cause you allready downloaded the file

good luck !
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bicture:
now,I finish at 8 step.

I've seen the yellow triangle logo and computer cant find my device.

what I should do next.I dont understand a 9step "click the mount button from the recovery mode".

Where is mount button and where is the recovery mode?

Now,my computer cant connect to the device. Is that ok ?
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b63:
i assume you are at the yellow triangle and your computer dont recognise the kf - right ?

now you have to update the drivers - the right one is "android adb interface"

then you can resume with point 7 - this will switch the kf to recovery mode (into twrp) - there you will see the mount button
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bicture:
I went to Device Manager and uninstall the old driver and try to install it again.

I did Update Driver Software>Browse My Computer for the software>Let me pick form the list > Browse >I type "C:\kfu\drivers\kindle" ... and it said "The folder you specified doesnt contain a compatible software,make sure it decided to work with 32 bit system."

I never seen this problem before. : (
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] b63:
would mean you selected the wrong driver file - it's android_winusb.inf
[Kindle Fire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bicture:
I think I choose right file.And now, my computer see kf as "Unknown Device" in the "Universal serial Bus Controller".
[General Questions and Answers] ColdCreek:
Hey,

jsut thought about this thought the whole day. I´ve got a Moto XT720 (Stock ROM) and it works pretty good. Now the thing is, I have the Google Account and so on. But I do not want that Google is tracking me, has access to my phone, and that my phone can connect to google servers (Mail, Calendar, Market, SYSTEM).

Is it possible that I can delete some apk´s so that I have a real standalone mobile phone?

Sorry for my bad english,

greetings
[General Questions and Answers] gizmoneil:
you gotta be kidding :eek:
[General Questions and Answers] Akajouman:
Google's stuff is the spirit of their OS... Android needs google's account for the market moreover.
[General Questions and Answers] ArticDust:
sounds a little impossible. just make an account for the market and don't use it for anything else. Only thing i can think of. :o
[General Questions and Answers] Akajouman:
Exactly, but he wants remove google's apps too...

He wants a total googleapplicationless Android phone. What a problem !
[General Questions and Answers] ColdCreek:
Thanks guys,

I do not need the market also (for what?, I have the apps I want to use)

Greets
[General Questions and Answers] ColdCreek:
push..no one knows it?
[General Questions and Answers] mistermentality:
If you do any web browsing on any device even on a pc or iphone google and bing etc will track data about you. You can't use any device online without someone tracking you unless you use a proxy and even then the proxy could still track you.

You can delete or freeze googles apps but browsing will be tracked on any online device so only sure way is switch off wifi and mobile data.

But that defeats the point of a smartphone then.

Dave
[General Questions and Answers] wacwac:
Maybe you should forget mobiles cause anytime you're tracked as soon as you power it on
[General Questions and Answers] Delta25:
a guess, flash a custom rom and dont flash the google apps pack?
[General Questions and Answers] e.coli:
ICS, at least stock ICS, has the ability to disable system apps.

Settings -> Apps (under 'Device) -> 'All' tab, click an app, click "Disable". It won't be uninstalled, but it will never run, meaning it cannot connect to the internet or do anything else.
[General Questions and Answers] mistermentality:
The problem is if he ever uses internet he will still be tracked. If he uses gps his location can also be tracked.

Dave
[General Questions and Answers] e.coli:
Yeah, it's a very strange request, but he could disable all internet-capable apps, and just use his phone for voice and offline apps?

He could still use GPS though, but not A-GPS. GPS just receives the signal from the satellites, this is why you can still log your position while off the cell network. It's one-way communication, so there's no way to be tracked just by listening to the GPS signal. He could download maps to the phone and use it for navigation that way.
[General Questions and Answers] I Am Marino:
Don't get an Android phone is my advice if you want no connection to Google.

-Sent from my Droid 2-
[General Questions and Answers] miro101:
I agree, why would you use an google operating system, if you don't want to have any connection with google?

Android without the Android market is pretty dull, and even if you would use the amazon appstore (which is officially only working in the US/and maybe CAN) you would be stuck with only a fractal of not up to date apps, since in the amazon app store are alot of old versions flying around.

And please dont believe in the old google creep, who is sitting in front of the "internet" waiting is whole life only to set cookies in your browser. He does not exists!
[General Questions and Answers] Origin8:
I don't understand why you would want Android on your mobile device and not want google on it? Thats how smartphones work, if you don't want google on your phone I suggest you get a non smart phone.
[General Questions and Answers] e.coli:
Why so much hostility? Isn't the point of Android, and these forums, that it is so customizable? Maybe he doesn't like the new privacy policy.

Anyways, he could disable all Gapps and install Firefox or whatever, which would disconnect most of your connection to Google, but it's hard to avoid it if you want to use the internet at all.
[General Questions and Answers] mistermentality:
I don't think anyone's been hostile, just surprised maybe as seems op wants no tracking yet to be able to use internet which can't be done except at best through a proxy.

To the op, you can root and uninstall or freeze google apps and browse via a public proxy server if you want to avoid tracking but your carrier and possibly google (the main operating systems all record your gps data inc ios android and wp7, think only wp7 was found collecting that though which is why I say possibly not probably) can still see where you have physically been via cell, gps and wifi logs.

If its just google you wish to avoid another option could be use a firewall or dns blacklist app to stop your device being able to connect to known google internet addresses.

Dave
[General Questions and Answers] Sam Sung:
Actually, he does:

http://www.stateofsearch.com/top-15-of-eric-schmidts-remarkable-quotes/

If you don't know by now that all of the "free" apps aren't really free, you're kidding yourself. How do you think Google makes money? It's primary purpose is collecting information. Private informtaion (even the carriers...search on the term "carrier IQ"). That is the age we live in. The best that can be done is to either throw your phone away or learn how to secure your phone and info in as much as is possible. There are apps that can identify what apps are sending what data and block them from doing so (on rooted phones). Even then, data still gets out. It's a trade-off. For now, it's used for marketting purposes. However, that much data is bound to fall into the hands of some government who will use it to control the masses. It's just too tempting, and it's the nature of humanity. So, I'll limit whatever data exodus I can and accept the trade-off for the rest (until the government {read Anti-Christ} wrests control). The old saying applies: "It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you".
[General Questions and Answers] acfrazier:
I honestly don't get the point in using a smartphone with fears of being 'monitored' or tracked. If you don't want to be tracked, don't use the internet, don't use a cell phone, and live under a rock for the rest of your life. That's the best advice I can offer.
[General Questions and Answers] dzako:
Why do post comments if you don't know the answer to the question. Do you all work for the goverment or the Google? OK, we want to live under the rock, so what's your problem. Ever herd of someone using a Windows OS but not liking IE, Outlook etc. I like smartphones but i want them working for me not for the manufacturer. When Google started we didn't know it would work for the banksters. The stinking Facebook too. The times are different now.
[General Questions and Answers] mistermentality:
They are simply stating fact, that you can't use internet without being tracked. That is the answer.

Having said that I already gave the answer how to avoid google tracking you..use a proxy and block access to any google dns addresses. Also don't visit any website with a search bar as a lot use google to site search.

We are not being funny we just can't post any other advice than the above.

Dave
[General Questions and Answers] atomicone:
I have had the same thought today.

Because i don't like Googles new privacy policies.

I will gradually delete all my Google-/ YouTube- aso accounts in the next weeks.

My thought was ...

Most Android phones have good hardware, so why don't use it !?

Basically, Android is a minimal Linux-System with a Java-Runtime.

My idea is a bit advanced than, "using Android w/o Google".

My idea is an alternative Android build from source and remove everything that has to do with Google.

- Linux is opensource

- Java is available as OpenJDK

- Android itself is opensource via git repo

So i think it should be possible to build a complete environment to use your Galaxy S, Desire, Nexus, Razzr, or what ever completely without Google-Code (remove everything that could compromising your privacy).

Some kind of "Open-Android"

What do you think of ?

Does anybody knows about an existing project like this ?

Ok, i just found this some seconds after posting ...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=564263
[General Questions and Answers] Benny.L:
Privacy and un-googled

To continue on OP's track (since openandroidalliance doesn't seem to have much happening since 2009). BTW, I am, of course, a complete android n00b.

What kernels, ROM's etc. would you recommend for an Xperia Ray that:

Is stable

Has as much (if not all) google stuff removed or at the very least a definite way of disabling them

Still has the normal raw functionality (data, mobile wifi hotspot etc.)

Preferably being designed with privacy in mind, such as built in support for not leaking the real device ID etc.

I am aware of the following:

Why get an android phone if you don't want google, it's like getting a car when you don't want to drive

Google puts out really good products

You can't go online without being tracked

You can't have a phone without being tracked

If you don't have anything to hide you don't need to worry about tracking/data migration

I can't win

I'm wrong

:)

Cheers,

Billy
[General Questions and Answers] sufian88:
Google spies on us, take Music application for example and it accesses your personal information, read your SMS/MMS, read phone state and identity, and wait...it requires internet access!

Lately there has been news of google privacy issues so I am totally surprised that unconcerned people make a huge majority.

I didn't like sharing my photos, videos, audios, contacts, messages, etc with Google, so I went for DroidWall. If anyone wishes to share theirs, and for free, nobody can't stop them.

@OP, you can use DroidWall or pDroid. When I installed Android Booster, I was astonished that apps were accessing my contacts, messages, etc . Just don't worry about the Google fanboys, they don't read the news and don't think about anything, they just enjoy sharing their data with their beloved Google. ;)
[General Questions and Answers] MR4Y:
Google spy on us with Android. Already knew that.

Can you guarantee that these so-called "security" apps that keep you from being tracked won't do tracking as well? What about the proxies? Do you really trust your info being juggled to some random place and back to you without you knowing in full detail what happens?

Not trying to spread paranoia, but it's impossible to be untrackable. If you take Google out of the equation, other stuff you have will track your data. Don't think that Google don't track your data while syncing your account, because they do. Take that out, and your only source for apps are downloading from other places. These apps might be patched to track your info. Will you trust them?
[General Questions and Answers] archieguy:
But can't he use internet without adding his account?
[General Questions and Answers] sufian88:
DroidWall makes changes to the linux IP tables (white-/black-listing apps from internet connection), and well pDroid is developed by some xda user, as far as I know. I think it would be good to ask him about the "guarantee" part.

I don't worry much about my browsing activities on internet, however it's completely unacceptable that my contacts, messages and other personal information are being sacrificed.

You mean the association the device requires with a Gmail account?
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
Non-google but still smart

There is at least 4 reasons for that, from the customer point of view :

1. It is claimed possible so I want to try it

2. I have my own email/chat/calendar/... servers and don't need Google for that

3. Security does matter and I want to control network pipes

4. Privacy does matter and I did not accept new Google rules.

The phone still may be smart :

1. Run dosbox/snes9x/ homebrew apps

2. Use a market, e.g. getjar

---------- Post added at 09:02 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 AM ----------

Hi

I never introduced myself : as a french Java developper and an Android lover and coder, I have worked hard to remove the google account on my phone, but still have :

* A MIUI rom

* The stock calendar app, with my own calendar server (and gingerbread syncadapter only)

* The stock mail app, with my own mail server

* My own chat server and Beem

* No market but getjar/1mobile/etc

Feel free to post here so I may help as far as I can.
[General Questions and Answers] bardzusny:
I'm not exactly in love with Google policies either.

For Google-less Android, install some CyanogenMod build without Google Apps. Use alternative markets that don't require registration: slideMe, F-droid (especially!) come to mind.

Use open-source apps whenever possible. (Firefox, anyone?)

Use DroidWall, whitelist as needed.

Read about cookies and how they work. They are sweet and tempting but very, *very* unhealthy for your privacy. Not only on your phone.
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
Replacement apps

Agree on slideme and Firefox even though after monthes of use I switched back to Dolphin and Opera mobile.

My 2 cents on replacement apps :

Google News	Pulse News Reader and Firefox

Google Chrome	Firefox, Dolphin Browser, Opera Mobile

Google Search	DuckDuckGo

Google Agenda	My custom server and client solution for Gingerbread

GMail	Postfix, K9Mail

Google Talk	Jabberd2, Beem

Google Maps	Mappy, OsmAnd

As I have no google account and no google play, I may ensure you all these apps are both free and downloadable outside of the usual market.
[General Questions and Answers] zelendel:
downloading apps out side if the official market is just asking for trouble.
[General Questions and Answers] mojo22:
I've just joined XDA after hearing numerous good things about the society and atmosphere here.

all I can say is WOW! I've never expected so much Grief toward someone who goes against the tide.

Please people....live and let live!

Let's stop patronising and if you don't know the answer to the questions, don't answer.

To the OP:

Use duckduckgo for browsing the web (can't post link). That should prevent any data logging.

Use firefox as a browser.

That is as much for android as I can let you know for now...should post sooner with much more info.

Thanks to all the other users who contributed to this topic. Hope it carrier on further.
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
Non-market apps

Just to ensure the issue is not left unanswered : You're right if "downloading" means installing anything without even knowing what app/game/xxx tool it is. Wrong if you know the app and downloaded it from a well-known alternative market, namely slideme, f-droid, getjar, 1mobile.

Such an affirmation should be flagged as #troll and sent to a specific thread.

To the OP:

AFAIK, the best solutions for you might be :

1. Get a free email account that is not gmail

2. Install a stable rom (CWM + Cyanogen are the most stables)

3. Get rid of Vending.apk and GMail.apk at least.

4. Use Jorte as a standalone calendar app.

Take care you will lose Google PlayStore. As a non-playstore enabled phone user, I can tell you this is not an issue .. after 6 monthes of intensive search to find all the relevant apps.

If you don't want to root/flash/modify your phone, at least : don't enable GPS tracking and web search history in google account options, and use Dolphin Web Browser in "privacy" mode, where cookies and history are deleted on browser exit. It is a non-perfect, but acceptable solution. Good luck.
[General Questions and Answers] sufian88:
At last some intelligent people have entered the discussion.

I will check them out soon.

Oh one thing, I lately found Free Private Browser which has an option to show ur browser as FF, Safari, etc to the website, which will give you a possibility to view the PC version of the website. Also, it only takes permissions a browser should take.

FireFox, on the other hand takes some permissions to take pictures and videos.

And as for Dolphin, I read about their privacy issue and some user on this website posted a workaround, so I won't promote it either (just cautious).

Opera Mobile is certainly the best option.
[General Questions and Answers] mojo22:
I have yet to purchase my first smartphone and would like to know is this hard to do for a first time user?

Also, without the google store how would I be able to find out what sort of apps I find useful?

Just to clarify, Android is open-source but google apps are not?

Is play store an app that can access other data within your phone?
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
Please refine your question :)

(purchasing) Purchasing is definitely easy, even though you should choose a phone renowned for its ease of customization, as the HTC Desire was 4 years ago

(installing a mod) Installing a mod has a medium difficulty. If you chose the right phone, it may be over in a few clicks and 1/4h

(removing google apks) Depending on the ROM you chose, it may or may not contain the google apps and you may find them on CyanogenMod site anyway. If you chose not to modify/root/flash your device, you may still be able to remove the apks by only installing a custom recovery, namely CWM.

As a last example my very first and shy step into android was installing CWM and removing the "Tetris demo" bloatware apk delivered originally with the Orange version of the HTC sense raw rom. I did not modify the system but renamed Tetris.apk to tetris.apk.old, the bloatware disappeared. After feeling more confident I began removing whole parts (sometimes restoring) of the system and finally began installing a rom.

One still may find apps by looking a the web version of the PlayStore. Once sure the apps fits your needs and it is at least free, preferably *completely* free and open-source, go back to alternative markets or the owner site to find a downloadable version. This is the case for Firefox which both exists in the PlayStore, as a .apk file on the firefox site and on "slideme" market.

Basically yes.

Basically yes. It has a lot of permissions including installing other apps. But other market may have branded apps that install "child/downloaded" apps.

The PlayStore has another tight coupling to the android system : if not properly configured in Settings->Security->Device Administration->Unknown Sources, the system will refuse to install an app outside of the "PlayStore" app.
[General Questions and Answers] mojo22:
I see you have a good sense of humor :) lol...you know purchasing a phone is not that easy, at least after watching videos of IQ Carrier! That is the sole reason I never went for smartphones since.

Many moons ago I was going to get a iphone 3gs but thought it was too big then. lol. Anyway now i'm going to get something I can find at a good price and see if I like the idea, if I can sleep at night and just get on with my life and not care like everybody else on the planet :silly:

I'm going for xperia arc s I think. I can find it at a good price, but I'm going to wait after googles IO to buy just because I want to see what they are going to announce.

Thanks for all the information about the google play store etc.

I will need some more information from you and hope that you carry on contributing to this thread.

I'm going to need an email client that is considered safe, also a app that can help stop anything snooping around my phone without me knowing. I've read that already exists.

Above you recommended Google Chrome broswer. Is that open source? If it isn't then I would not touch it tbh! I understand some of it is open source and also some of the code is based on FF. We will also find out on wednesday what FF has prepared for us.
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
AFAIC I tend to rely on the moto "Security is not an absolute. It is a level".

Basically if you put "127.0.0.1 localhost carrieriq.com google.com facebook.com" in resolv.conf, the phone will never contact those sites anymore - I've been using "127.0.0.1 localhost google.com facebook.com" for a while.[/QUOTE]

Sure ! I thought I was the only human being without a Google Account at all before stepping on this thread.

As I now have all the bricks, both *android* and *server*-side, I want to help people willing to to get rid of this dependency. Take it for granted, in a way I'm an early adopter and lover of google. But s/o has to keep checking that it *remains* possible to do without a Google Account and still live in harmony with other Google/Android users.

K9Mail is my advice.

Depending on the definition of snooping, this may be a ROM, a custom kernel, a custom /etc/resolv.conf or xda members advices. Take care of any so-called "Absolute Security Guardian Application Guaranteed". Like Santa Claus, only the dreamable concept exists.
[General Questions and Answers] mojo22:
Wow that will come in handy! But does that mean that you can't sign into facebook or does it just mean that your app will sign in manually and only manually?

Well something that will control ins and outs of the phone. Something that will prompt with every install....restrict access to other apps.....basically keep some order in the phone.
[General Questions and Answers] muaddib41:
In the case of resolv.conf modification, the domain name facebook.com will never be resolved to the right IP, so facebook will be unreachable, device-wide, including any app/account/browser/..

You may refine your needs and choose CyanogenMod or MIUI.

Basically if you don't have a threat to fight, take the best of the Open Source

world and stop worrying. Both ROMs above contain a filter app (as far as I remember) and iptables is in the kernel.

MIUI contains a permission remover, e.g. you may install CoolGameA with permission "Access the internet" to download ads .. then remove this specific permission and still play CoolGameA without (newly downloaded) ads.

OS: Linux, always.

Phone: HTC Desire (bravo)