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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
Guys let's all wake up, apple as a company is actually caring for there customers more then Google or android manufactures.

Why?

*Customer care centers and world wide warranty meaning when I buy an iPhone in Sydney I can exchange it in London.

*uniformed and swift updates.

*protecting customer investments. By not allowing other company's to steal your products identity.

Apple is just looking out for the interests of its users not its profits its taking a moral stand, can you say Samsung or Google do the same for us? I don't think so.

Its great to have an open source operating system but its even better to have a company that has customer care, swift updates , and innovation.

The reason apple does so well is because it created a solid product that does not let its users down.

The iPhone was the first smart phone to use a swipe to unlock screen its not silly to patent that.

Look at the gs2 just a plastic copy of the iPhone thats why I got the galaxy nexus and selling my gs2.

All I'm saying is its blind and ignorant to protect a company that has clearly done wrong buy its customers by not creating a unique product in the first place.

The finger of blame should be pointed at Samsung.

I'm sorry if this upsets anyone because I know we are all passionate about our devices and OS but these are just company's that are looking for profits not friends they care nothing for you and hating apple only make you narrow minded. Don't be a Android or apple fan boy be a tech fan boy. Look at the bigger picture.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] go2mo2:
I think you're in the wrong forum son. You want ibumapple or possibly droidsucksballs.com ;-)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mysterioustko:
ACTUALLY, it was not.

http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/08/dutch-judge-considers-apples-slide-to.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] costlyman:
I think you are completely wrong my friend. here's why

- first of all apple does not produce products which are innovative. They copy from others and take the credit. If they were game changers why did they copy from the network patents Nokia and Motorola had? (offtopic)

- Coming to slide to unlock and capacitive touch screens, there were number of products with that technology in other countries (for example Chinese Phones which were unpatented). Apple again copied it and used its iSheep reputation to over-market its iCrap. Check this link out.

- Thirdly, in Android ICS, it is obvious that Google in this case is the true innovator for bringing in the circular unlock screen and not the linear unlock screen Ios has.

Get your facts together buddy. Such an immoral organisation like Apple is a hindrance to technology and its development.

peace...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
... I was walking through the city streets, and a man walks up to me and gives me the latest Apple "innovation", I said "Whatcha trying to do, poison me?!?" and I THREW IT ON THE GROUND! What you think, I'm STUPID? I'm an ADUUUULT! I ain't part of your iSystem, MAAAAAN!

:D

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kiffies:
Just when you thought it couldn't get much worse

http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/01/04/apple-and-samsung-the-pathetic-uses-same-child-actress/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SquareBare:
This is the first thing Apple trolls typically say whenever the topic of a lawsuit comes up. But the truth is that all Apple has really created is a very strong marketing force. Every element of the iPhone/iPad was already in existence somewhere else.

Take for example, samsung's 2006 digital photo frame.

http://lawpundit.blogspot.com/2011/08/samsung-digital-picture-frame-2006-is.html

Apple just did a good job of patching it all together and an even better job of selling it.

Now the problem with iOS is that, although it is designed well for what it is supposed to do, the boundaries of iOS can never move beyond what Apple has pre-defined.

No launchers, no alternative app or media stores, no OS integration of necessary functions and very low security without the artificial app store vetting process.

Right now, partially because of Google competition and partially because of their insanely and unnecessarily proprietary nature, Apple is bleeding market share like a waterfall made of cash.

It is a repeat of the 90's when Apple had initial surging success with the Mac, but proceeded to lose it all to the PC makers because of their inability to adapt.

So instead of changing and adapting their business model, Apple has decided that it is more lucrative for them to file lawsuit after lawsuit to try and make Android more expensive for Samsung, HTC and Sony in hopes that they will just give up somehow.

All Apple has to do is license a single "budget" iPhone variant, a single "Jumbo" 4.5 inch variant and one 7'' iPad variant to win back a huge chunk of market share. But they absolutely will not do that because in Apple's collective corporate mindset the phones all belong to APPLE the supplier not to you, the user.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
Maybe my facts are not true in history but on paper apple has the patent for it, and you can't blame them if some Chinese company did not protect there interests .

How is making a circle around a lock screen icon an innovation? Innovation is a flex able screen, innovation is a OS working in a unified echo system of hardware , Accessories and online services that were not even implemented.

Docks were not as wide speed before the iPhone, Flickr was not as used before the iPhone, app developers were not as rich before the iPhone.

Apple made a market for all this.

Innovation is thinking beyond now and gambling on what may happen. The gamble apple made was not one thing like apps , slide to unlock. It was the echo system everything in one place and working together in harmony so that you don't have to use ten devices you can use one.

To say apple did not innovate is getting your facts wrong, give credit were it is due for both sides of the camp.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
Apple Troll I'm using a galaxy nexus I also have a galaxy s 2 , I also had a nice HTC hd2 before I dropped it on a tiled floor.

And it is innovation to put 3 ideas into one device, why because no one else did and yes it is marketing but again he was the one to do it right.

Hey I don't like some thing about the iPhone that's why I sold my iPhone 4 and got the s2 but as I said ill give credit when its due and steve jobs was forward thinking with apple and pixar and if he had the smarts and forward thinking to patent a slide to unlock then to bad.

And just if you thought I was trolling again about my phones a pic
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mysterioustko:
Apple did not innovate. They took something that was already available and marketed it to the general public. Prior to the iphone, smartphones were intended primarily for business customers. They were not advertised on television and they were sold business to business. Apple made an improvement upon what was already there but what they did with the iphone was not something that had not been seen before. As for the ecosystem, that wasn't innovative, that was convenience. They created a place where you could get your apps from one place. Prior to that there were apps for phones, but they were in many different places. For example, I used to buy apps from Handango back then, but there were other places to get apps. Apple created the app store which gave the end user the convenience of not having to look all over for an app. They could then look in one place. I don't really consider that innovation, that's more convergence than anything. When the iphone first hit the market, it wasn't really bringing anything new, it just brought something the general public perceived as new since products like that weren't marketed to them before that. Apple released a smartphone that did significantly less than comparable smartphones did at that time. But since the consumer didn't know any better it was a success. Before the iphone ever came out I used to say that if someone would just market a smartphone to the general public they could make a killing because you could present it as an entertainment device. That's exactly what Apple did. I give them credit for great timing and excellent marketing, but when it comes to innovation they fall short. Apple started out behind the innovation curve and they continue that trend to this day. The only I can come up with that they've done on the iphone was with the iphone 4 when they brought out a high-res screen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greyphil:
You Sir, are on the wrong forums. Get your facts straight before you troll. Kids these days....

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
So all the chemists in the world that put three or four known chemicals together and created something new are not innovative because it was all there they just put it together. And a vacuum cleaner is not innovative compared to a broom its convenient.

He did something new he put ideas together to make something the world had not seen. And when I say that I mean in total and in quality.

There is a difference with invention and innovation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] greyphil:
Yet you say a circle unlock is no innovation. Seriously make up your mind.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
Hey look I'm not making personal insults no need to assume I'm some child trolling just because I have a difference of opinion this is a free forum on a free internet typing on my free open source android phone that you are defending and I to defend when I see fit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chrono_Tata:
Guys I think some people are confused about what innovation actually means. It's not the creation of new ideas; that is "invention". Innovation is taking ideas and turning them into products.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/innovation.html

Slide to unlock is an old invention, but no one has really ever used it in a smartphone before. (Yes I know about that old phone that has it but does anyone actually know about it before the iphone even came out) Apple innovated by putting the idea in a new product and commercializing it.

I am no Apple fan and don't intend on getting any Apple products anytime soon, or do I think Apple have the rights to sue everyone who uses an idea like slide to unlock, but you gotta give credits where credits is due. They are an innovative company.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wilbur-force:
Problem i that they are now trying to stifle innovation by suing anyone else who innovates rather than invents .....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mysterioustko:
Based on what you just said, a well known musician should be able to take a song someone made (that not many people had heard of), re-record it, and release it and that song would be something to credit them over. Just because not many people had heard of the phone that the feature was in previously changes nothing. Them making it more mainstream is not innovation, that is marketing. Tell me what did Apple do besides the high-res screen in the iphone 4 that was innovative?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chrono_Tata:
That's nothing to do with what I just said. :/ I said I don't agree with Apple suing people for using the same little ideas that they have used either. Like the previous poster said they are just stifling innovation from other companies.

They innovated by using an idea that was virtually unused before in smartphones. Then they monetised that innovation by marketing the hell out of it. Innovation and marketing are two completely different things.

Being innovative doesn't give you the rights to having exclusive use of the idea. As a matter of fact, I'm sure that Apple knows this and they are not trying to sue Samsung over an innovation, but what they claim is a patented invention. Of course all Samsung has to do is prove in court that this invention was derived from prior art (which I think they already had in a Dutch court) and Apple would have no case.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mysterioustko:
ACTUALLY the definition of innovation is "the introduction of something new". Apple did not introduce anything that was not already on the market. They took what existed and what wasn't being marketed to the masses and marketed to the masses. Again, that isn't innovation that is marketing. There's a big difference. Just because something was not well known, and you using it and successfully getting people to adopt it make what you did innovative. It means you did a great job of getting people to adopt it, nothing more nothing less. Apple does a great job of marketing, not so much on the innovation front.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] deekjx:
I can't stand this morally backwards attitude. If you don't lock your doors, its your fault some immoral person stole your stuff. Your position here is that its okay for Apple(the thief in this scenario) to steal a concept and take credit for something because the Chinese company(the victim) didn't secure their property. People who don't take care to secure their belongings may have to deal with thieves but to use the lack of security as justification to exonerate the thief shows poor moral judgement. Yes you can blame them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Whyt_e:
I believe that the patent refers to using a pre defined path, which android does not as you can move the circle anywhere and still unlock the device so long as the circle hovers over the chosen point
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chrono_Tata:
Did you actually read the link I posted or what I even said... The business definition and the layman definition of the word innovation are quite different, like words like "exploit" differ in technical and colloquial usage and "theory" have a very specific meaning in science. I'm not going to argue with you over word definitions when you can easily find information about this on the internet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mysterioustko:
Yes I saw your link.....hence why I informed you of what the word really means. Your "business definition" holds no weight.

But since you want to use the "business dictionary" here ya go.......

The process by which an idea or invention is translated into a good or service for which people will pay, or something that results from this process.

To be called an innovation, an idea must be replicable at an economical cost and must satisfy a specific need. Innovation involves deliberate application of information, imagination, and initiative in deriving greater or different value from resources, and encompasses all processes by which new ideas are generated and converted into useful products. In business, innovation often results from the application of a scientific or technical idea in decreasing the gap between the needs or expectations of the customers and the performance of a company's products. In a social context, innovation is equally important in devising new collaborative methods such as alliance creation, joint venturing, flexible working hours, and in creating buyers' purchasing power through methods such as layaway plans. Innovations are divided into two broad categories: (1) Evolutionary innovations are brought about by numerous incremental advances in technology or processes and are of two types (a) Continuous evolutionary innovations result in an alteration in product characteristics instead of in a new product, and do not require any user-learning or changes in his or her routine. Examples are the multiblade shaving razor, fluoride toothpaste, and laptop computers. (b) Dynamic continuous evolutionary innovations require some user-learning but do not disrupts his or her routine. Examples are fax machines, instant photography, and handheld computers. (2) Revolutionary innovations (also called discontinuous innovations) require a good deal of user-learning, often disrupt his or her routine, and may even require new behavior patterns. Examples are photocopier (xerography) machines, personal computers, and the Internet. Innovation is synonymous with risk-taking and organizations that introduce revolutionary products or technologies take on the greatest risk because they have to create new markets. A less risky innovation strategy is that of the imitator who starts with a new product (usually created by a revolutionary-innovator) having a large and growing demand. The imitator then proceeds to satisfy that demand better with a more effective approach. Examples are IBM with its PC against Apple Computer, Compaq with its cheaper PCs against IBM, and Dell with its still-cheaper clones (sold directly to the customer) against Compaq. Although many innovations are created from inventions, it is possible to innovate without inventing, and to invent without innovating.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/innovation.html

The need had already been satisfied prior to the iphone. The iphone just got it into the hands of more people. So again it wasn't innovation, it was marketing and sales.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sEiNZu:
Just saying if apple would go that far as to sue google.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] realfelix:
I really hope apple bankrupts. Their so called "invention" Slide To Unlock.. oh my gosh how pathetic is that, not to talk about that thing with the child actress hahahaha :D i really hope that they will try to sue google for infringing their patents.. how is that gonna end? > i guess with all android users smiling all over their face =) !
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
Samsung is a South Korean company ;)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
Too much upindispiece. Let's tone down the testosterone before the mods close this thread ;)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mayze23:
No worries they will. They're so called innovation left when Jobs passed away. They'll be strong for few more years but you can see it already. They've ran out of innovative ideas.

They'll eventually end up in the shape they were in before Jobs came back.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Buff McBigstuff:
That is the goddamnedest most impressive run-on sentence I have ever seen. My English teacher mother would love to have a half-hour with you. (Don't tell her I took the Lord's name in vain)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k20igor:
i read about this about 2 days ago and i laughed. there is no way apple can win this or covince the court on this one, the gnex unlock screen is nothing like apples **** one lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
Don't be so sure... The U.S. courts will no doubt reject this frivolous case, but Germany ruled in favor of Apple in an even more ridiculous case last year, and so did Australia.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chirea.mircea:
At this rate I think Samsung will eventually get fed up and cancel their contracts with Apple, for better or worse. Not only that, but they've started to annoy Google too, as evidenced by the Motorola purchase; I suspect that if Apple sues Google for even a single Android feature Google will drop the Motorola patent nuke which, considering that Motorola has patents for just about every telecommunications technology, will be quite fun to watch.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SquareBare:
I read the sent from galaxy nexus footer. I know you are a real Android user. I was simply stating that your statement is what the various iOS trolls will typically use in these situations.

Jobs did a good job of combining some things into the iPhone, but his controlling nature prevented him and his company from taking it further. If iOS allowed open development and had more than one excessively tiny screen size you would see me with an iPhone right now.

But they didn't, they got greedy and lazy. Their entire business model involves you adapting to iOS and not the other way around.

As Nexus owners, we know just how well the 4S stacks up against the GN. And the answer is not very well at all. I know a lot of die-hard Apple fans who are considering the Nexus because of it's purity, quality and overall level of customization.

Apple can litigate and troll until every patent in the world is exhausted, but they cannot change the fact that Samsung has simply made a better all-around device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ljwnow:
I hate apples icrap. I will not spend a cent on Apple products. They make me sick. I love Google.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wirelessgirl:
IMO, I think Apple will crumble after they release the iPhone5. Steve Jobs was the mastermind behind it all. Also, I know a lot of Apple users have switched to Android because they got bored of iOS. I mean let's face it, it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to use an iPhone. My 5 year old niece and 7 year old nephew knows how to use an iPhone. Their UI consist of a bunch of blocks.

Anyways, I hope I didn't offend any iPhone user. Just stating the facts. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
The Moto purchase was for patents. Its nothing to do with them being "annoyed" by Samsung.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
No you can't blame them if I like a girl and never tell her or never make a move and my friend makes that move goes after what he wants and puts a ring on her finger then tough luck I should have protected my interests by putting a ring on her finger.

Why would you assume that no one else will notice something good.

I wouldn't invent or innovate an idea and not patent or protect it that's just hard work down the drain.

And anything that was not thought of in total before anyone else is innovation. Like Facebook it was innovative to put games on Facebook because people will stay on the site for longer although we already had games.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] A_Flying_Fox:
I think he meant apple was starting to annoy google lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
The only thing I see Apple do is their high DPI screen. Let's be honey, Apple doesn't actually build or make anything. It is a collection of parts made by other companies. What will eventually happen is no one will want to due business with them anymore.

I just think its funny how Apple steals someones idea then turns around and sues them for thinking of it before they do.

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I'll be honey if you will.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Krisbo:
Here here!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tommyz2kool:
/smh :rolleyes:

First of all, you're wrong about iphone being the first to use swipe to unlock. Second, do you really think anyone should be able to patent a freaking gesture???
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
/me patents blowing my nose

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Don't forget to patent bjs too :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
steve jobs patented that too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Wirelessgirl:
It's a good thing I patent the unniversal salute. I give everyone permission to use it on Apple! :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wonshikee:
Wow what a terrible analogy...

The reason it wasn't patented in the first place, is because most companies (thankfully) believe that ideas like "slide to unlock", or "minimalistic design" or "rectangular shapes with rounded corners" shouldn't be patented in the first place. You think companies don't know what a patent is?

There is absolutely nothing Apple has done that is truly innovative, they simply BUY start-ups (who are the main source of innovative ideas) with their massive bank (which they get from the millions of iSheeps that are willing to pay premium for crap that are made by kids working in hostile environments that even the most desperate of people in a first world country wouldn't work). Then they repackage it in a feminine design that looks "pretty" and "glossy" while the users have no idea that pretty much everything inside was built and designed by the real powerhouses of technology that are pushing it forward.

At least Samsung builds a lot of their stuff in South Korea and they're even building a factory in the US.

The ONLY honest thing Apple is good at, is marketing - that is the one aspect that most tech companies just suck at, thus persuading the uninformed mass that Apple is the real innovator.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kwiggington:
I loved when apple tried suing palm and palm told them to f*** off and all apple did was cry like a b**** hp should sue apple now that they own palm

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