yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Themes] ILikeBubbles:
Oh I see now! Thank you! I'd I set a screenshot but it says the jpg isn't the right format.. :sadface:
[Android Themes] powercamg4:
Can someone fix the yahoo mail icon because it's wayyy to close to the edge
[Android Themes] linkit87:
Please

org.paoloconte.treni_lite

Thx
[Android Themes] joseamc91:
Sopcast

Euro2012

Sopcast icon isn't very good, if you can make it better...
[Android Themes] joseamc91:
Samsung ChatON, the alternative to WhatsApp
[Android Themes] Alexx5:
A few more:

XiiaLive Lite

XiiaLive

Gule Sider

Tiny Tower

Trafikanten

Reckless Getaway

Sonic CD

Filmweb

Posten sporing
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Other 2 new icons
[Android Themes] ermacwins:
2 more

Messaging

ICS Gallery
[Android Themes] DavidXSU:
I have one request.

Chant 4chan browser

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dxh.chant

Please, and thanks in advance!
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here's your icon. Choose the one you like more.
[Android Themes] Raineruf:
Just wondering how you put those image files (attached icons) to .mtz theme?
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Just do this (Windows):

1.make the extensions visible(start>control panel>folder options>display> untick "hide extensions for known files")

2.rename the theme file from xxx.mtz to xxx.zip

3.into the theme zip file rename the file icons (which is very large) from xxx to xxx.zip

4.put your icons in this new zip file with the correct name (ex. com.xxx.png)

5.rename the icons file from xxx.zip to xxx

6.rename the theme file from xxx.zip to xxx.mtz

Done. Hope i've been clear
[Android Themes] Raineruf:
Tested it and it worked. Thanks!
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
You're welcome... remember: users who've been useful often like recieve THANKS!! :D
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here are some icons that @Android7 requested to me.
[Android Themes] Android7:
Thanks i'm very HAPPY :) with this icons and theme!
[Android Themes] Kolo39:
Please update the Read it Later/Pocket icon to fit to their new app icon

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ideashower.readitlater.pro

Thanks in advance!!
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here's your icon.
[Android Themes] Devnex:
Here are some icons I made. For Wallet, Play Store, and 1Weather.
[Android Themes] tung91:
Some new :D
[Android Themes] mesnati:
Sorry if i missed the post but cannot find info is this 1.8 beta mtz file for MIUI GB or ICS ?

Thanks!
[Android Themes] Kynio89:
In ICS MIUI working only lockscreen and icons!!! sms, dialer, buttons, statusbar etc is in stock miui design :((( Whyyy??
[Android Themes] shizzel:
Why would you have a v4 MIUI (ICS) theme for MIUI v4?

This theme is for GB.

You can however use the icons from this theme to extend MIUI v4 (ICS).
[Android Themes] kosmiciatakuja:
This is my first try as I couldn't find a Vexillum v4 icon for the excellent Bacon Reader, so here it goes. I tried to follow the tutorial as closely as I could.

Edit: somehow my attached image doesn't show up. Maybe it's a limitation for new users... sorry.
[Android Themes] shizzel:
Yeah, new users get their images corrupted... Nah, just reupload your image.
[Android Themes] Safe0716:
Hey, Nice work, but can you port MIUIv4 LS to MDPI please :p
[Android Themes] kally:
Will there be an update soon? :)
[Android Themes] Gnapek:
Best theme for MIUI :D

I can request for a:

* Big Caller ID

* GG

Available on a Google Market ;)
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Please insert the Play Store links if you want your icons.
[Android Themes] Gnapek:
"To prevent spam to the forums, ALL new users are not permitted to post outside links in their messages. After approximately eight posts, you will be able to post outside links. Thanks for understanding!"
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here are your icons. Hope to be right
[Android Themes] TweetyPeety:
isn't this better, based on LauncherPro Database
[Android Themes] TweetyPeety:
some more
[Android Themes] dyun_14:
resquest for icons

best miui theme. can i request for these icons as well? :)

platimum solitaire

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1lbG9mdC5hbmRyb2lkLkFOTVAuR2xvZnRQU08zLk1MIl0.

tiki kart 3d

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arbstudios.tikikartfree&feature=search_result

photon

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5WYWxoYWxsYVN0dWRpb3NCaWZyb3N0LlBob3RvbiJd

text twist 2

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5yZWFsYXJjYWRlLlRUMiJd

daily bible

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImpvYW5zb2Z0LmRhaWx5YmlibGUiXQ..

thanks in advance
[Android Themes] vauss:
great icon theme, can i request for these icons?

meneame

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5kY2cubWVuZWFtZSJd

you can see the elephant logo here: http://www.meneame.net/

tiempo aemet

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5wcm9qZWN0c2V4Y2VwdGlvbi53ZWF0aGVyIl0.

pepesaldo

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsInBlcGUubGFicyJd

acb jornada virtual

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ult#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImVzLnJhbXRvci5hY2IiXQ..

acb.com

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...arch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5hY2IiXQ..

thanks!!
[Android Themes] nuno_mdj:
new icon...

-MSI Afterburner (com.msi.afterburner)
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Some of your icons. Enjoy them!
[Android Themes] tung91:
Attach corrupted :( Please download this :

http://www.mediafire.com/?x8om628ymbyo3og
[Android Themes] vauss:
file seems corrupt, i cant download it

thanks tung !!!
[Android Themes] tung91:
hmmm, xda hate me :(( this is new link :) enjoy :p

http://www.mediafire.com/?x8om628ymbyo3og
[Android Themes] vauss:
nice!!!, good work ;)
[Android Themes] tung91:
3 new :)

xxxda why you make attach corrupt .. .. ..

http://www.mediafire.com/?l3awwtc1ih71wc0
[Android Themes] supergeorg:
can u make icons for this apps?

Manga Watcher

QuickDic needs better icon

OSMAND

Swype Beta Setup is not in market. (maybe @tweetypeety got it?)
[Android Themes] TweetyPeety:
where do I find the theme value file for the text color of the Summary Text for Settings. Because it is orange and this looks ugly, not like Miui V4. In Miui V4 it is light gray. I would like to change it formyself
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here are your icons. Enjoy them!
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
1 new: Treemaker
[Android Themes] tung91:
"\framework-res\themes_values.xml"

Change it to your color ;)
[Android Themes] hejay:
Some new icons:

Hanping

com.embermitre.hanping.app

com.embermitre.hanping.app.pro

Aedict

sk.baka.aedict

Bible

com.sirma.mobile.bible.android

DioDict3 NEW AGE

com.diotek.diodict3.phone.btoc.adddict.newace.engkor(<-no space)
[Android Themes] hejay:
DioDict3 Collins COBUILD

com.diotek.diodict3.phone.btoc.adddict.collins.engchnjpnkor (<-no spaces)

Updates:

Amazon PriceCheck

com.amazon.pricecheck
[Android Themes] tung91:
63 new icons :) enjoy
[Android Themes] joseamc91:
AFTER FOCUS

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb3Rpb25vbmUuYWZ0ZXJmb2N1cyJd
[Android Themes] timvdhoorn:
some icons i created (~10)
[Android Themes] tung91:
why -1 and -2 :(
[Android Themes] timvdhoorn:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ozdbbxu2doi58x2

new link
[Android Themes] Duckbert:
Could someone please make Icons for the following Apps ?

Cortal Consors

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.consors.android.de&feature=search_result

Impossible Game

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DEsImNvbS5mbHVrZWR1ZGUuaW1wb3NzaWJsZWdhbWUiXQ..

Impossible Game Level Pack

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...impossiblegamelevelpack&feature=search_result

Otherwise a great icon pack !
[Android Themes] timvdhoorn:
I'm on it :D

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?c0wewlscjdbhqhf
[Android Themes] Persechini:
Facebook updated and now it has 3 separate icons: facebook itself, messenger (not the messenger standalone app) and camera

How do I find out the process (or service?) names for them? On SystemPanel Lite only the main com.facebook.katana shows up (and the main facebook icon doesn't get the vexillum icon anymore

Plus, a request, for system app com.android.sidekick, i think it deserves an icon of its own :P
[Android Themes] tung91:
"/data/system/customized_icons_1" and you can see what you need :rolleyes:
[Android Themes] Persechini:
awesome. going to make some icons tomorrow
[Android Themes] GingaB:
What is the process name of the new facebook app??
[Android Themes] callito:
so the name of the facebook apps.. are

Facebook:

com.facebook.katana.LoginActivity.png

Mess:

com.facebook.katana.orca.ThreadListLauncherActivity.png

Cam:

com.facebook.katana.activity.media.CameraLauncherActivity.png
[Android Themes] shizzel:
Really liked the Cordy Sky icon tung91 made, but remade it for more detail. Thanks for the inspiration tung91!
[Android Themes] Persechini:
So, here are a couple os things

PLUS: As a suggestion, can the shield be removed from the unthemed icons background? They just make most icons ugly until they get themed

EDIT: Can't get the sidekick icon to stick. The process name is correct, there are no icons for it on the data folder. Is there a way to get it themed or it's hardwired with a generic application icon?
[Android Themes] billyJ:
New icons

Hi,

I made a few icons, some of them may be copied, but most of them are mine.

Icons are in "my icons.zip" it's 154 files.

Also created mtz theme "MIUIIcons.mtz" contains Vexillum Project, xda users and mine icons on the top.

All files in ICONS.zip here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10064382/ICONS.zip
[Android Themes] shizzel:
Did you just mix the 2 vexillum projects? That's just wrong...
[Android Themes] billyJ:
Yes, I had picked up the best icons in my opinion, if you don't like it, don't use it. Or use only my new icons.

BTW.

What do you mean by 2 Vellium Projects?
[Android Themes] shizzel:
Vexillum Project 1 (expanding the original MIUI GB icons)

And Vexillum Project MIUI v4 (This theme)

You mixed v4 icons with the originals. But if it works for you I won't complain.
[Android Themes] callito:
Kicker - com.netbiscuits.kicker.png

Beercounter - org.icount.beer.png

ExTweaks - com.darekxan.extweaks.app.png
[Android Themes] shizzel:
My Instagram icon. I find it fit the theme better. Grab it if you like ;).
[Android Themes] tung91:
impressive, so cool :cool: Thank you, mate
[Android Themes] PhysX:
the first two of them...
[Android Themes] PhysX:
i guess you will like this one more...
[Android Themes] PhysX:
please upload just the v4 icons, coz i wount spend time to compare everything.
[Android Themes] PhysX:
not bad, but somhow i really dont like the lens...

it would look better something more this way
[Android Themes] shizzel:
A matter of personal preference, I liked the purple colored lense. Feel free to edit it to your liking :)
[Android Themes] PhysX:
// update...see first post

btw

we are getting closer and closer to 2000 icons :)

so a big THANK YOU! to everyone who helped this happen :D
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Other new icons. Enjoy them!
[Android Themes] kally:
Thanks for the update with the new updates!

But there is still the font color problem in e.g. the youtube app. Didn't you want to fix this issue with this update?

Beside that, everything looks beautiful :)

edit:

I realized, that this is only a problem in the orange version. In the blue one the font is white on black, like it should be.
[Android Themes] nike011:
Can you plz make ndrive icon? Thanks.
[Android Themes] Persechini:
the app is themed in the orange version and unthemed in the blue one. If you'd like to use the orange version, you can open the mtz file and delete the com.google.android.youtube file

Here are 2 icons, but there are a lot of versions on the market, check the process name for the version you need and rename it (see second post)
[Android Themes] Leonida5:
Does anyone else have an issue in the youtube app where you cant see the text with this theme?
[Android Themes] shizzel:
If you had read 1 page back, you would have known. And yes, it is a common issue with the orange theme. Blue one doesn't have this.
[Android Themes] dyun_14:
Great update so far. Thanks for these.

If it's not too much to ask, can I request for additional icons as I hav no telent in photshop :)

NBA JAM

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...SwxLDEsImNvbS5lYW1vYmlsZS5uYmFqYW1fbmFfd2YiXQ..

HEX DEFENSE

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...51bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5nb3Rvdy5oZXhkZWZlbnNlIl0.

BPI

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...mcm9uZGUubWJhbmtpbmcuYW5kcm9pZC5wY2tnLmJwaSJd

TOWER DEFENSE

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...VsbC5nb29nbGUuZ2xvYmFsLmFuZHJvaWQuY29tbW9uIl0.

Thanks again in advance
[Android Themes] djsolidsnake86:
notifier pro plus

multi mount sd card
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here are the icons you requested (free & paid). For "notifier pro plus" would you mind posting the google play link? cause i can't find it...thx
[Android Themes] djsolidsnake86:
yes sorry

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nlucas.notificationtoaster
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here's the last. Enjoy!
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
i also made this one.
[Android Themes] greeneyes513:
Ram manager pro, time Warner cable TV, my country, pretty please in a zip
[Android Themes] PhysX:
market links?
[Android Themes] greeneyes513:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.TWCableTV

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameinsight.mycountry
[Android Themes] bennybaz:
Any screenshots for BLUE 1.9?

I installed it on my V4 but nothing changed.. :\

Thanks.
[Android Themes] nagorimayank:
Anyone up for Nimbuzz icon?? Please :)
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
we're almost to 2000!
[Android Themes] pistotutto:
Great icon theme, I suggest a little request... I can't post outside links (I'm a forum noob user atm, sorry) but I give a try for this apps:

- Double Twist

- GLaDOS Control

- Trinity Kernel Toolbox

- gAnalytics - Google Analytics

- iCoyote

Thank you for the great work!
[Android Themes] tehloxely:
Requests!

Allpoint: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.allpoint

Rage Faces: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idunnolol.ragefaces

TouchTunes: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtunes.android

Tip Calculator: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.istockmanager

Wallbase: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.citc.wallbase
[Android Themes] Unterbilker:
iKamasutra

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ikamasutra.android&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5pa2FtYXN1dHJhLmFuZHJvaWQiXQ..

iKamasutra Lite

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lovekamasutra.ikamasutralite&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLmxvdmVrYW1hc3V0cmEuaWthbWFzdXRyYWxpdGUiXQ..
[Android Themes] djsolidsnake86:
http://img-android.lisisoft.com/imgmic/6/3/2536-i-uk.co.senab.blueNotifyFree.jpg

make a icon for friendcaster please, this have a high resolution
[Android Themes] SuB-Zer0:
Here are some of the requests:

com.activision.elite.png

com.zynga.hanging.png

com.zynga.words.png

com.espn.score_center.png

com.firecrackersw.hangmanhelper.png

com.pandora.android.png

com.bigtincan.android.adfree.png

com.anddoes.fancywidgets.png
[Android Themes] sas1k:
-org.softeg.slartus.forpda

-com.freeman42.app4pda
[Android Themes] ijeenyus:
Great theme! Also love you meego icons/theme
[Android Themes] suta:
Re

Just redo all my Apps Icon, Sorry if some has been done before. hope you like it.

1adfree 2andchat 3appartus 4battery monitor 5camerazoom 6friendcaster 7friendcaster camera 8miliastic text 9swiftkey 10mxvideoplayer 11opera 12osomo

13poweramp player 14rom manager 15 superuser 16sugarsync 17trillian 18tubemate 19tumblr 20vaulty
[Android Themes] nba1341:
thanks for steam!
[Android Themes] tung91:
Anyone interested with blue verison ????

And about wallpaper scrolling, just open "\com.android.launcher\theme_values.xml" and add/delete this line
[Android Themes] Quinny899:
Hey guys! Thanks for the icons.

I've been spending all of this weekend making this into a GO Launcher theme, and so far I've got the UI done (imported from my old theme) and am up to com.dolphin.browser in icon theming. If anyone supplies icons wants it, I will give you free full versions of it ;)
[Android Themes] PhysX:
A blue version would be cool :-)

Maybe also a dark version dark orange/dark blue. That would be really stunning :-)
[Android Themes] PhysX:
@suta and sub-zer0

Guys you are doing a great job!

But for some of your icons the glyph needs to be smaller.

Other then That, keep it up!
[Android Themes] suta:
Hi Physx, thanks for making MIUI v4 Template, I have some idiotic question hope you don't mind and can guide me through using your template.

I wasn't able to get the same gradient effect as the stock app. there should be a gradient effect coming from below. However I tried this I placed an white image at the middle, I copied the FX from the sample to the new white image, and I seleteced the image pixel and deleted it then I got the gradient effect like the stock Icon.

Am I doing right?
[Android Themes] pFo-Mac:
Fantastic! Many thanks for this.
[Android Themes] PhysX:
send me some screenshoots via pm, i dont really can imagine what you did...
[Android Themes] PhysX:
there you go...

new icons and a update -> tomorrow
[Android Themes] suta:
LOL, I have no idea how to get stock app effect :confused: so basically i just place the twitter white image on place folder, Moved the FX from sample to the Twitter Image Layer, and i select Pixel.. And deleted the Image, and I uses Paint brush to paint the Twitter Image to get back the white color. :D:D:D

Please guide me the proper way to use your template for Stock Icon. Thanks
[Android Themes] PhysX:
gj at all, but next time please upload your stuff with the correct process name or write it down!
[Android Themes] PhysX:
if the gradiant effect is not good enough,

- open the layer style and go to the gradiant overlay

- then double click on the color

- click to the triangle on the left top side

- decrease the opacity until it looks good (about 70% should be good)
[Android Themes] djsolidsnake86:
please

loudtalk lite icon
[Android Themes] fireon123:
Can somebody please make an icon for Nextturn (Nästa Tur)?

Market link: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.lorentzon.nextturn&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5sb3JlbnR6b24ubmV4dHR1cm4iXQ..

Thanks a lot in advance! =)
[Android Themes] Persechini:
All here
[Android Themes] PhysX:
miui v4 is not fully theme compatible... just icons are working for the moment (afaik)...
[Android Themes] greeneyes513:
Thank u, for your hard work. I really do appreciate it.
[Android Themes] suhail_kapoor:
Correct only icon lockscreen n walpapers workibg so far on ics
[Android Themes] Persechini:
ICS apparently stores UI items in a diffident manner, plus, as it was said before, MIUI v4 doesn't really need a MIUI v4-like theme :P

Maybe Physx could release an icon+lockscreen-only version and label it ICS compatible to reduce confusion among MIUI v4 newcomers attracted by the "vexillum project" in the title. Or at least state so in the first post (the first post deserves and update anyway)
[Android Themes] ras_fyah:
please make icons for these apps

Virtua Tennis

Monster Shooter

GUN BROS

Can Knockdown 2

GRAVITY PROJECT

Naval Clash

P.S. I'm sorry I can not give links
[Android Themes] vauss:
some requests ;)

acb jornada virtual: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=es.ramtor.acb&feature=search_result

noled: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...lt#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5sZWQubm90aWZ5Il0.

pepephone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...xLDEsImNvbS5zcGFuaXNoY29kZXJzLnBlcGVwaG9uZSJd

busybox & pro: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsInN0ZXJpY3Nvbi5idXN5Ym94Il0.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...sMSwxLDEsInN0ZXJpY3Nvbi5idXN5Ym94LmRvbmF0ZSJd

thanks in advance!!!
[Android Themes] supergeorg:
I made a pack like this for the german MIUI forum, it looks very good on v4. Just have a look!

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9000 mit Tapatalk 2
[Android Themes] PhysX:
nah, i wount release a ICS version only, i mean cmon people its not to hard to apply just icons on MIUIv4.

i gave the first post a little edit where everyone can read not everythiing is working with MIUIv4.

since im very busy with my job (going to be the next it systems manager in my company) i have very less time for making everything look pretty.

so if someone likes to make some cool thread intro pics or such, feel free to do so :).

i would be very thankful :D

cheers
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Excuse me,what does this phrase mean??
[Android Themes] Persechini:
I was making some tweaks of my own to the themes while I'm learning the process of theming MIUI, and planning (still on the drawing board thou) on making a dark colored/cm9-like version.

I can help with a few of things, fixing minor bugs, making orange and blue themes consistent, and after learning a little, theming more system apps to look like v4. I found out recently about WIUI v4 for my phone (defy), it's not very usable but now I can take a load of screenshots to base the tweaks of
[Android Themes] Vulf:
We need a Google Drive icon :D
[Android Themes] nagorimayank:
Request:

Nimbuzz: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nimbuzz&hl=en

Thank you!
[Android Themes] kally:
New request:

Mobile.de:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwxLDEsImRlLm1vYmlsZS5hbmRyb2lkLmFwcCJd

Thanks in advance! :)
[Android Themes] billyJ:
Drive, but don't know proces name

None of below works:

com.google.android.apps.docs.editors.EditorsApplication

com.google.android.apps.docs.app.InvitationActivity

com.google.android.apps.docs.app.CheckStatusActivity

com.google.android.apps.docs..app.NewMainProxyActivity
[Android Themes] fanaticbr:
GREAT MAN
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
My Google Drive icon. Vote if you like it!:)
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Ok... maybe this is better... i've increased the contrast, a little bit the saturation and the vibrance. Choose the one you prefer.:)
[Android Themes] PhysX:
make the triangle in the middle a bit smaller, and some shadow to the inside of the triangle... that would be perfect :)
[Android Themes] ZacAttack:
Has anyone discovered the new icon name for Google Drive? I've tried 3 or 4 names and nothing.
[Android Themes] kally:
and another request :)

Kalorienzähler von FatSecret:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5mYXRzZWNyZXQuYW5kcm9pZCJd

Thank you very much!
[Android Themes] PhysX:
com.google.android.apps.docs.app.NewMainProxyActivity should be the right one but i havent tested it yet...

btw what about that icon :)
[Android Themes] ZacAttack:
Thanks ^^

I think the previous one looks great. It matches the Google Currents icon magnificently. Its just needs shadowing in the center :)
[Android Themes] Persechini:
the process name apparently remains the same as google docs

Here are my 2 cen... I mean, icons
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
Here it is!! :)
[Android Themes] federicolandra:
actually, i don't think that it fits too much with the theme style... but this is only my opinion..:)