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[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Hey OP I wasn't meaning to shut you down per se. I just thought your initial post was somewhat flame baiting.

My apologies as well for quickly glossing over this thread and not seeing your subsequent post about flame baiting.

But I still stand by my opinion overall. It's certainly nothing to get charged over or mock someone else over as some posters in this thread tend to do. I'm sure I fall somewhere in that spectrum to a small degree
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
Which is like the second most important OS in a man's life. Or most important to some people.

Anyways after watching that youtube video an earlier poster provided. I am understand why WP7 and iOS just a mobile phone and Android is like a mobile PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
True, Android picked up where windows mobile left off, but honestly, I turn to my retired HD2 instead of my Evo 3-D for a PC-like feeling.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
This is bad how? WP7 does less things, but does all those things infinitely better. Android does a ton, but most of it's so broken that it's seldom worth it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zuuul:
When I compare WP7 to iOS and Android, I find that WP7 never really excels beyond those 2 Mobile OS's. I find it is a balance between the 2. It takes some of the best elements of both.

UI: Basic iOS icons combined with the concept of the widgets in one icon. It's not as simple as the static icon, but not as powerful as a widget. It gives me just enough information I need to determine if I need to open the app/core function or not. iOS doesn't give you that and Widgets give you too much.

Performance: Core functionality is fast and the common applications run just fine. I do not feel like I compromised in performance with the applications I use. Would having dual cores be nice? Maybe, but would it be one of those things where you only notice real world differences when they are side by side? I think so. I don't think mobile OS functionality has matured to the point where there is a real world tangible benefit to dual cores. Having my mail client load a fraction of a second quicker isn't worth the penalty.

Ecosystem: The WP7 ecosystem has a path and a clear line of sight to where it is going - integration with the other Microsoft platforms. There's that familiarity when I move from my Xbox to my WP7 phone, to my Windows 8 Dev pre-release build tablet. When it came to Android, it was always felt on it's own as a device and not part of other technologies I own and have around the house. My desktop doesn't run Android, my notebook doesn't run Android, and my home server doesn't run Android. When it comes to the app store, I find while the WP7 marketplace does not have the depth, and breath of the Android and iOS app stores, I find it to be a very tightly focused app store that covers all the essentials for a mobile device. It has some of the tight controls around in the iOS world, but the flexibility for the developers in the android world.

Modding: My phone is 'jailbroken' and I have side-loaded apps from XDA that I like. Microsoft hasn't gone to war with the modders the way Apple did, however it doesn't have the vast number of developers for it like the Android community does.

Community: Small, tight knit, very helpful, not full of fanboys that are more about showing off their device than about how the phone integrates with their day-to-day activities. The majority of users just want to grow the community and make it better - the fanboys are few and far in between because well, it's hard to be a fanboy of a niche because no one outside really cares. It's not about the e-penis which I think is the mentality when you buy into something mainstream (yes, Android is mainstream now).

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on it. My experience is from owning an iPhone4, Samsung Galaxy S, a whole bunch of Blackberries (ranging from the Bold 9700 back to the old monochrome wheel units).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Uh yeah; I guess, but even if it's important in terms of functionality (which I think is what you're trying to get at) it's not so important as to exert a superiority complex over other people for on a regular basis (that's what I was trying to get at initially).

I mean really? In my eyes, that's sad and obnoxious.
[Windows Phone 7 General] toff74:
I think a few other thread starters on here should be reading this post.. nice one and i agree wholeheartedly.

As a first post too... niiiiice. This place really does need more people like you. It's been getting me down recently with all the pure WP7 negativity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister1:
Nah that's okay, it would take me most of the day to do so, just Google it and you will see, Look at all the stats and how much market share WP has. This is not a personal attack on any one individual so please don't take it as so, just stating facts and personal opinions. :D:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Feel free though, android is open source, for every fault you can find in WP7 I will find two in android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Ran across this the other day.... I'll have to re-assert my opinion of what lag is after watching it. Previousely lag was a system wide slow down of a device, or failure for applications to launch immediately. Today, lag is (imo) defined as being 500ms late when tracking a finger movement on screen.

Nice comparo, the android device appears to have twice the lag time of ios and wp7. Should make some people smug and proud !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6oWDLk31EQ
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
That's definitely food for thought. Too bad we can't have the touch input indicator also on the other devices, it would have been plenty interesting. Anyway we have to keep in mind that right now the GN isn't the snappiest Android, the SGS2 is still faster by a fair bit IMHO. I do remember tho that feeling you had on the GS2 when touching the screen after leaving it idle for a few seconds: you could actually feel the CPU jumping from 200 to 500 Mhz, the screen didn't move immediately, you still had some delay. Same was for the browser: it's hardware accelerated, that's for sure, but you still feel a little delay between the moment you touch the screen and when it actually registers. It's a bit like playing CSS with vsync on: a noob won't be able to tell that there's an actual delay, but the pro will fail every reflex shot and will want to tear his eyeballs out :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
How much market share do you think a mobile phone OS should have after being launched 15 months ago?
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
Yea,market share is actually rising. Almost 2% now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
What's the point of functions on a laggy, bugged, sluggish phone ?

A phone is a phone, a desktop is a desktop. I spend TONS of time on my desktop, and it can have its time to work properly. The same is not true for a phone. I have only few moments to make a call, answer an email or write an SMS on a PHONE.

So yes, on a PHONE, smoothness >> functions.

Oh, and by the way I wonder which basic function a Windows PHONE is missing.

EDIT : for example, to me, a REALLY important thing is having somebody (Microsoft, Apple) GRANTING me updates, and what I really wouln't like is to beg for them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Well, for starters... it neither does my dishes nor my laundry. I mean, I thought these phones are supposed to be smart. /s
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
Damn you are right, you got me.

Tomorrow I'll go and get an Android to have it doing my dishes and laundry I suppose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I wouldn't if I were you. I'd hate for it to crash in the middle of doing the dishes and drop a piece of fine china. That's a break you can never recover from.

Were it iOS doing the dishes, you'd better get out of the way. It's iOS's way or the highway, and don't try to do them differently or "they" will come after you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
no idea, if you find an official source for sales numbers, holler for me aight ?

(still haven't seen any myself)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
For a multibillion dollar giant at least as big as iPhone's after 15 months of selling, or rather AT least twice as much,

considering WP7 appeared after 10 years of MS's experience in this industry,

and iPhone was Apple's first phone ever.

Considering that, results are not amazing.

But the competition is very tight and it's hard to fight Android, just impossible ATM. So they have a very difficult task.

I think Nokia/MS marriage should be able to boost it to 10% - 15% level on the market,

otherwise I'll consider this as a massive fail.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
True that, Microsoft and Nokia have more experience than Apple and all the other Androgynous manufacturers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nitin88g:
All the android fan boys, do you think mobile can replace PC? it can never. It can be alternative for some scenarios, presently which is google trying to do because. They don't have single percentage of control over PC market. Ms has complete control of PC, knows how far a mobile can be alternative to PC, and they are just hitting there perfectly

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[Windows Phone 7 General] zuuul:
Thanks. I try not to comment too much on the negativity because I bought the phone that suits my needs and not to show it off.

I rarely post here on XDA because of the fanboys. On other forums, I often wade into the legal discussions about why MS keeps successfully going after Google's OEM partners for patent licensing fees, and (what pisses people off the most when I say it), why it is actually GOOGLE's fault.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
I think some users such as myself were kinda forced into android due to wanting new hardware n os that was similiar to wm. I think they wouldve came out better developing wm & wp7,but have wp7 under a different name to entice new smartphone users. The missing wp7 feature wouldve have been that big of a deal that way...both customer bases pleased.

Another option wouldve been to add the missing features & have an option to disable "metro" like we could with "sense" in wm. Why cant wp7 have both function & beauty in the eye of the beholder?

I was waiting for the tp3 but the main turn offs for me are the missing features n closed os approach. Even if I wanted it tmobile doesnt carry it...even now regardless of carrier there arent alot of devices choices for wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
IMHO it would be kinda pointless to give the user the ability to remove Metro: it's not just a launcher, it's one of the main parts of the OS itself and it's deeply integrated both in terms of design and functionality. If you remove it and replace it with some different launcher the consistency if this OS would take a severe hit. Also, why would you do that? If you give WP7 a traditional launcher it will become exactly like iOS or Android, losing the design and functionality that makes it different. You may say "heck, I bought the phone so let me do what I want with it", but try to think in a different manner: if you really wanted something more similar to those platforms, like e.g. the classic iOS design or the ability to mod given by Android, why didn't you buy into those platforms in the first place? Different things are meant for different people: on WP7 you get a consistent experience out of the box at the price of not being able to customize too much, while on Android you're almost "forced" to customize the OS in order to make it more usable. All the consumer has to do is choosing, you can't order pizza and expect it to taste like sushi, and viceversa ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] KimWinter:
First of all, I am not a fanboy (and by fanboy I meant someone who simply likes to show-off his phone - at least that's what I think a fanboy is after reading all the posts in this thread), but I love my new DVP running WP7.5.

I was originally an iPhone user, and I still am, but what attracted me to Windows Phone 7 wasn't the specification, or its functionalities, or modding, jailbreaking, hacking, applications, whatnot but the smooth and minimalistic design. I found my phone able to do what I want to do in the shortest amount of time. I remember when I have to text someone on my iPhone and I have to wait 1 second for the SMS app to open.

Don't get me wrong, I jailbroke my iPhone and was always up-to-date with the latest apps and games. But as days passed, I found myself less and less caring about what apps I have and just plain used my phone for messaging and calls, wifi and facebook. What is the most basic function of a phone? To make calls and messages and WP7 does this superbly.

So from my limited and biased point-of-view, WP7's claim to fame is in its simple yet elegant design. Besides, in a world swamped with Androids and iPhones, WP7 stands out - it can literally turn heads because of its unique UI against the Android's and iOS' sea of icons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Both these posts perfectly reflect my thoughts. Thank you both for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us. It's somehow refreshing to see perspectives like yours here these days.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Well said, you are now being quoted in my sig ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwajr:
Well that's why there are choices same way you st its bad they don't have those functions its like because you miss them
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
When I picked up WP7, it was the first time I picked up a device and didn't appreciate all it could possibly become, but more appreciated what it already was. Microsoft achieved what I spent two years trying to do with android and absolutely blew me away. WP7 is everything a phone should be and much more. Everything it does, it does better than anyone else and it's a thing of beauty.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
I know metro is more than a launcher...im stating that I wouldnt mind metro if wp7 offered more function. I didnt jump right on android because I was a wm user waiting for wp7 & wanted the tp3. I liked the ms approach on bypassing the carrier bloatware,having min specs,& the idea of faster updates. True the current wp7 maybe ok for u but I expect more. Some wp7 users are quick to point out androids/iphones problems but refuse to acknowledge wp7 shortcomings by saying they dont care for it or its not needed. Im still interested in wp7 & watch out for updates. Improvments within all the software/hardware makers breeds competion & helps to insure a better overall experience regardless of os.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Windows Phone philosophy is streamlining user experience. They have repeatedly said this. So in a nutshell if you dwell in windows ecosystem you would understand this very easily. Switch on your XBOX, switch on your windows 8 beta, switch on your windows phone, switch on your windows8 tablet(in future) - what do you see? That was their aim. Making an OS right from the scratch instead of copying - means functions are slowly added to it. That is what happened to iOS.Yes I know I am talking other OSes now. iOS did something different, they started from scratch and lacked functions terribly in iPhone, iPhone 2, iPhone 2S and uptil iPhone 3. It became function loaded from iPhone 3gs. Windows did WP7 and WP7.5 and will now reach WP8 (same as iPhone 2s stage). Compare the functions that OS could support without bugs, freezes and meltdowns to what WP supports. Patience is a virtue, but if not easy to practice, Android is surely the answer for you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
Thats the thing ms is not apple...ms didnt bring the smartphone to the mainstream. U cant miss what wasnt there. I get what theyre trying to create but with desktops I can still do the same things with window 7 I could with xp. If they bridge that gap within wp7 I would invest in the hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
I am not going to repeat my post, just refer you back to it.

They are NOT bringing smartphone to mainstream.

They are bringing NEW way to do what smartphone does. NEW OS. Forget about what Apple is for a moment.

WP does ALL the basics a smart phone should do. The added features will be nice, but not at the cost of current stability and speed. That's why any new OS has received these features, gradually. Be it iOS, be it Android or Symbian. Because bug fixes are a nightmare if 50,000 features roll out in single update! It's simple maths! Don't see what's so hard to understand? Surely 2 updates a year since it's launch shows Microsoft's promising approach to bridge the gap. The approach to design everything around Metro UI, the huge money throwing for marketing (we all know how crap MS is with marketing!), the huge give aways for developers, the fastest growth of app number for any OS in history - what more promising things does one need for a 15 months old OS?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
I know...thats what apple did. It doesnt do the basic wm did...its previous os.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Yes because it was PREVIOUS OS.

New Operating System with patentable integration is as new as bringing a smartphone to the market!

So it is doing what Apple did in 2005 to the mobile world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
Not with the success. Im saying apple could afford to leave those items out. Just because ms choose to build upon kin to a certain extent doesnt mean thats an excuse to leave out missing features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
It's not a failure by any means either! When apple launched whatever it did, there was no competition. When MS launched a new way to smartphones, there are already established ecosystems. What features are missing that iPhone2 or Android 1.2 had?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
The jaq3 was the 1st smartphone that caught my eye. Once I started fooling around with wm I didnt pay much attention to other oses far as personal investment. The infamous copy/paste & mms issue comes to mind when I think about the iphone. I hated having to tell customers it didnt support mms cuz of QAs when in fact i know it could with a small tweak. I would give the iphone more of a chance now if it had a physical keyboard. I peeped android when it was 1st releashed...it seemed too plain & the devices were ugly. The mytouch 4g slide is my first android phone. Main issue outside of carrier bloateware was with the way some companies have their apps set to start at boot or triggered by certain actions. I downloaded a program called autostarts which took care of it tho. Other issue was with find a single media player that support various formats to save time form converting my current files. Only stock apps replaced are text with gosms,email with k9, & I added an all-in-one task manager that has app lock,data usage monitoring,etc.

Edit: Data plans requirements also kept me away from iphone/android. I didnt really use it alot & tmobile didnt have 3g here at the time. With wm & wp7 I couldve kept my same data plan. Now that 3g is here I have found myself using more data of course.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Sense was not WM. HTC is the one that made sense. They overlayed it on top and it was buggy as hell if you wanted the cool versions of it. And if you want sense, Buy and HTC , open the HTC hub once WP loads and there you have it. I came from WM days. i'm glad i have left it behind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
I know that....I was using that as an example. I was mostly using spb shell over sense before my tp2 got damaged. I know wp7 has the htc hub but its not the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Complete joke.

So you say they don't bring it to masses (so they're just thinking about beeing a niche, right......) but than invest millions in it and merge with Nokia, once the biggest phone maker on the planet?

You're still trying to explain their incompetence and just hope it's true.

I see the current WP beeing an experimental product sold to people to test ideas for the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Ofc they're not trying to make the smartphone mainstream, because nowadays the smartphone already is mainstream. Pretty obvious. They're trying to provide a valid alternative in terms of aesthetics and approach to the smartphone user, and as a smartphone user I'm myself quite fine with how they're doing. Ofc they could do better, but I'm not fully satisfied with how other mobile platforms are doing either, therefore I've chosen this one for now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
Oh for God's sake stop using acronyms, not everyone have the same social environment you do. Using proper English when you are communicating people in public. F***ing common sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Ironically your word with 2 stars is also in the ofc.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc

Ofc is sometimes used for of course, but it's origins are of f** course.

But the post was fully readable without any change in meaning by just not reading ofc at all.

I did need to google OFC to find that, but had kind of figured it out first. I originally thought it was just short for of course not of f** course.

Since alot of users are not native English speakers, it is a good idea to avoid abreviations and acronyms, since translator programs and sites will often times skip them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.

@FinancialWar: no need to be an ass about it tho, I've learned most of my English over the net, please understand this. I'm from Italy, and as you may already know as many other things here (except maybe food) our school system sucks. At first I thought that "ofc" thing was pretty common because I used to see it every now and then on a gaming forum I've been on for several years, and finding it handy I just started to use it myself without thinking about it too much, my bad I guess.

Anyway it baffles me how there are many native English speakers on this forum who have some very obnoxious English, even compared to mine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
It was pretty oblious to me that ofc = 'of course' , even if I've never seen that acronym.

F***ing common intuition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] XxAndrexX:
the fashion of saying WP7 is smooth, first came out after the big fail of Mango.

Most of people, who spent his hard gained money in a WP7, were absolutely deceptioned, about Mango. Many of them, like me, were pissed of, and complained about that, but others, got the inverse reaction, and tried to give themselves an explaination of the thrown money. so they tried to be optimistic, and searched for the positive aspects of WP7. Ehm no positive aspects... but wait, yes, there is one, it runs smoother than older androids.

But meanwhile, its proven (there are videos on youtube) that WP7 is the laggiest OS, the smoothest OS is Android, then IOS, and finally WP7, so its not even smooth right now,because Android evolved, something that WP7 did not.

My opinion, is that, although Microsoft launches an Extreme awesome update right now, it won't never be able to compete, because of the hardware.

When Mango came out, I thought, it was very dificult for Microsoft to go back and try to survive, now I think its almost impossible... But we'll see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
OMG LOL!! LMAO!!! OMG. That is so funny!!! SHOW ME a video of WP7 Lagging, i dare u.

The only lag u may find in WP7 is the keyboard sounds if you type extremely fast, or with HTC's sound enhancer on the titan which you can shut off. That is an HTC software bug, not the O/S.

I may just have to make this my new signature. Everyone, even android users should get a kick out of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sensboston:
WP7 may react laggy if apps or app data are physically located on the storage card (it's true for handsets with sd card support). Also, accessing app isolated storage data without buffering (but MS don't have a standard buffering file class in WP7 SL!) may cause a huge lag.

P.S.

If you are ready to bet $100, I'll shoot video for you ;)