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[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Out of interest, aren't there few WPs that support 32GB internet memory? Or are they only Gen1s? I know Gen2s don't support more than 16GB, and announced Gen3s or 2.5s don't seem to have that support either. Probably a way to encourage people to use the cloud services more? They are extremely convenient to be honest. I went to a conference last weekend, had my powerpoint edited on my phone. Thankfully, my phone syncs documents automagically to skydrive (which I din't know I had set up). But yeah, forgot my charger, din't charge my phone overnight, when I wanted to get the presentation on my laptop for a last whirl I realised my phone had died on day2! Then I googled, found there is a hope in skydrive, logged in and there it was!

Moral of the story : Sky drive is cool and for weekend conference always remember USB sticks! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] KimWinter:
At the risk of sounding off topic, in all fairness to WP7 users, we at least don't go out of our way to visiting Android or iOS forums and posting comments about how their mobile OS sucks. Hehehehe...:D:p
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
Pheraps the difference is that we are happy we got we have, and we are confident about what will be, and they are not :)

Pheraps they are scared ... they feel the urge to prove something ...

If Windows Phone is crap it will fail even without trolling and flame.

Their problem is that this won't happen :B
[Windows Phone 7 General] irfanindian:
I'm also in agreement with the OP for a lot of points. I'm also hopeful of the fact that Nokia-MS partnership will 'turn the tide' in WP's favor. Let's hope for the best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] carfreak715:
Actually, I had no clue about that until right now....but I would prefer using an SD card, cause I've been using one for years and I don't feel like transferring all my junk to a cloud. And I think SD card support is a must on any device, whether its running WP7, IOS, or Android, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Although I do think that SkyDrive is great. Behind the scenes, most if not all Windows Phones do have an SD card. It is just built in and you can't easily get at it or remove it. Even if you do, the content is not readable by other devices. Also, you will have voided your warranty to find it though, because you need to disassemble the phone.

To illustrate, here's a link for upgrading the HD7 to 32GB.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=883582

But, I don't see why they could not have allowed a non OS SD card to transfer documents to and from. It is a convenient way to copy pictures from other devices. It also serves as a good way to back things up for when you upgrade. Granted the PC that you connect to does work for this.

It's one thing to have the OS reference files on it, such as ringones, wallpapers, and contact pictures. It's another to allow importing files from it and exporting to it. Or even treat it like a sky drive as far as viewing files on it and "uploading" to it.

Since the real storage space is just an SD card and considering the true wholesale costs of SD cards, there is not a good reason to not offer 32 GB and 64 GB models. It doesn't cost Samsung or HTC $50 let alone $100 more to provide 64GB of space instead of 16GB.

In any case, I have not come anywhere near using even 8GB of space and I have 16GB of space on an LG Quantum. But it would be nice to have the option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I think all of the second generation phones went away from using SD cards, probably for performance reasons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
I think its more about there being nothing to talk about. They have to wait till someone gets ROM made for them. Then go away test it. Then find bugs. Then report it. Then again wait. Then get another release. Then another ROM. Don't get me wrong I was a ROM freak myself. Every day visiting forums to customise my phone! But then boredom is round the corner when there isn't anything fresh or new. So they come here, bored, frustrated and ignorant. The remaining Is well known ;)

Sent from my TITAN X310e using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
2 + 99.8 is not 100.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Are you talking about Windows Phone HTC users? I flashed my HD7 a lot. Especially since this is a modding forum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] benrees21:
As an Android user I want to give a honest opinion about WP. OK first off the Nokia Lumia phones are super sexy! I've always loved Nokia's designs. The actual OS is great, easy to use and smooth with lovely transition animations, the look is typical Windows style of things which I personally am not a fan of (Stirs up images of grey suits, board meetings and general boredom). People moaning about files over Bluetooth etc, it's 2012 not 2002. Only thing that stops me from switching is customization and thinking of how bored I would be without custom ROM'S and Kernels. Hope no one is offended but that's my honest opinion.

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Windows Phone 7 General] shamreez:
I think thay Androind is also following behind Iphone and WP7 regarding removable storage.

I had read that the only ICS phone now does not support expandable SD card (Not sure if it is only for this phone or for all the phones which are gonna get ICS)
[Windows Phone 7 General] DamnageD:
my $.02

As an individual that has spent the better part of a decade and a half in the wireless industry, and a vocal and visual proponent for WP, and now part of the sales force, there are two things I see MS needing to focus on - desperately:

1) More devices! To OP's point; of the big 4 US carriers, there are what, 5 devices currently? That is no way to push saturation numbers above the single digits. Sure apple has one primary device, but they are the anomaly, but there are as many (if not more) choices for consumers for the iPhone than WM. I won’t even compare to the over saturation of android devices...that’s clearly obvious.

2) Advertizing, Advertizing, ADVERTIZING!!! Seriously, this is ridiculously lacking. I fail to understand why Ms would be so complacent in this area. they clearly have a competitive OS, and they have the accolades to back it up. But what good are those arrows in your quiver if you sit down and won’t fight?

Walk into a AT&T store, for example. What is the first thing you'll see? I'll tell you; a 7 foot tall iPhone display, and roughly 20 androids. Androids, all over the walls; In all their backdrop advertizing. Where is WP advertizing? Nowhere, that’s where. Sure I know there have been some gimmicky things of late, but it’s just that - late.

IMO, More devices, and much, MUCH more aggressive competitive advertizing is required.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Many xda users love the tweaking and the customizing. Android is probably a better choice for users that can't get over ORD (Obsessive ROM Disorder). I was an obsessive flash addict myself. There's the attitude of why pay extra for it to work one way well, when I can just tweak this and that for free to do what I want and how I want. Android is the better phone for those users.

But, Windows Phone 7 looks nothing like any typical Windows style. Metro drastically changed that. The grey suits were Apple's ads. Apparently they worked well. But, I think you would have to search pretty hard to find a Microsoft developer wearing a suit. Dress pants and a dress shirt maybe, but suits - no.

I was loving my LG Quantum with Mango, when work forced an iPhone 4S on me. Both Windows Phone 7 and the iPhone bring a very stable phone to the customer without the need for tweaking and do-it-yourself fixes. Both are very easy to use. There are certain things Windows Phone 7 can't do that the iPhone and Android can do. But, the intutive feel of Windows Phone 7 is very refreshing. And it does the things that most typical users need or want to do with a smartphone. Many on XDA are users that are exceptions. XDA attracts those that want to tweak and push the limits. Both can go 3 days between charging as well.

In 2012, I only see Microsoft improving the integratation with the services that most users really use and the new services that they started providing. Although the app market is growing at a rapid rate, the phone's biggest strength is that most things do not need an app launched because of integrated functionality.

There are some flaws, but Microsoft will work on ways to solve them. I personally think they are taking their time to solve them internally, so they can avoid any patent issues. With the onslaught of the patent war lawsuits, it is very important to not just copy your competition and take the patented work of your competition or you will pay them for every sale. Microsoft knows this, and gets paid for virtually every Android sale. They don't want to start paying Android or Apple for Windows Phone sales.

I have confidence that Microsoft will find solutions that do not involve patent infringements. And this will lead to great innovations in 2012 bringing the platform into a stronger position for the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] benrees21:
OK. Well it depends what's on offer this December when I upgrade. New Nexus with Android 5.0(J) or WP. Now I know people go on about how WP does not need quad core or whatever to perform well but I would at least like to be looking at a dual core in December. It's going to be a hard decision especially if Samsung have a new WP around that time as I love the AMOLED display.

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sensboston:
Does DFT Freedom ROM (HTC, and Samsung 1-st gen handsets coming soon) isn't "custom" enough for you? ;) And 1st gen Focuses (on ebay) are not too expensive...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Well well, good point actually ;) I grabbed this phone because I wanted to take a break from all the flashing/modding stuff, because all day long all I did was trying out experimental stuff, and I kept checking xda all the time for updates, fixes and whatnot. This was actually destroying my life, not kidding. Now that I'm here I haven't looked back yet, I've just been enjoying the phone. Anyway I already know, I'm gonna miss the whole flashing and modding thing at some point, maybe I'll grab something to play with when I have some spare time (like a 7" tablet or something), but right now I'm too busy with my real life, and the no frills approach of WP7 is helping me a lot focusing on what really matters.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
You are so right about the marketing. I'll tell you this though. Even marketing doesn't get the point across. I own the Cyan Lumia 800, but want to handle the 710 so I know what I'm getting into when I refer friends to get that model.

TWICE I've been to the T-Mobile store in downtown Seattle.

TWICE I've seen the "featured" display for the Lumia 710. It's got its own pedestal and is completely separate from other phones. It's centrally located.

TWICE the phone has been completely discharged. The excuse from the employees? "It's running a demo all the time"

I even make a 2nd stop by on the 2nd visit just to see if they had plugged the damned thing in yet. No. Seriously... plug the muthr'effing phone in!!! How can you possibly sell a device when the display model has no power and cannot show off the display and speed?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
As far as the multi core. Normal common phone and messaging does not require multiple cores. Multiple cores consumes more power. But the hard core gamers may very well need multi core for some games at some point.

It they do this, it would be nice if they would do it in a way that automatically powers down to single core when using apps that do not nee it or are not capable of taking advantage of it. Since apps go suspended when put in the background, I think this should be possible on Windows Phone.

An extra core won't help you chat, call, post, tweet, email, get weather, stream music, stream video, get a gps lock, take a picture, or surf the web.

But, I am sure some games could benefit.

Having it throttle down to 1 would keep the battery life, while giving the extra performance when needed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] benrees21:
I thought more cores was more battery efficient? As it spreads the load and reduces voltage?

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I used to think this too, but if so then why Tegra3 has that fifth "companion" core for small tasks? This is getting confusing...
[Windows Phone 7 General] benrees21:
Lol. I know. I was led to believe more cores equals more power + efficiency and lower voltage.

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Windows Phone 7 General] itsraining2008:
I feel microsoft release update for wp7 hot fix is a bit slower than other OS hot fix.

I'm tired with checking update from Zune. But I'm happy, when update's avaliable :D

I'm happy with wp7 (hTC mozart) and don't want to jump back to wm or other os :D

but i don't see a smooth IM app for WP7 and most IM app are a bit laggy. :confused:

some talking app response are a bit delay.

I want microsoft to fix download problem with Zune( for purchased apps ) and when connected to Zune, we can't use zune music, videos or marketplace.

I already decide to buy WP for my next big screen and dual or quad core phone :D

sorry for my poor english.

Cheer.... WP
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
The thing that bothers me the most is probably Whatsapp, using it over wifi is a massive PITA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aliciameyer:
I had to agree. WP is far behind its competitors. They have to do something special and make a lead by themselves. Microsoft used to be the leading tech company, they can do better than this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Explain how it's behind? Tell me what you can do besides antiquated bluetooth transfers and a few extra voice commands if you have SIRI that i can't with my titan?

And i'll do it faster then most of the dual cores on my single core.

Also note.. MS makes the software. it's software O/S is far above the competitors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] benrees21:
I want the Focus S but it's not available in the UK. I'm not due an upgrade till June at the earliest and my NS is not worth enough to sell so I can buy a WP!!! I even looked at the Lumia 800 which is lovely but screen size a bit small and even that is too expensive lol. Hate waiting.

Yes I've decided today I'm going to switch to WP, even though CPU power is everything to me lol. I just realised the reason I keep switching ROM's and Kernels all the time is because I'm never happy with the performance. I tried a WP at a shop and it was quick, smooth and did not lag once. Just got a long wait unless some money magically appears lol.

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Let's film 1080p, go.

How about play a real multi player game? How about edit some film?

I could continue, but there's no point in having rational converse with some of you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] carljanderson:
The filming in 1080p, I will grant you only because of the general public's perception of 1080p vs 720p and the "well, my TV is 1080p, so my camera should be". With that being said, I don't know how large of a market the 1080p camera is. However, for home movies, does it really need to be in 1080p, when 720p is MORE than adequate. How many people are really going to miss that added resolution on a 42" TV from 11 - 12 feet away?

The other two are only a concern to a select few. How many people are actually going to edit the movies on their phone? To me, it seems like a complete battery suck. Clips, sure but movies?

As someone who relies on their phone, I need the phone to work and I am not going to spend a lot time or take on the risk of modding the phone (i have other devices for that). I am sure I not alone in this regard. I am also not looking at my phone as a computer replacement.

As a feature or function, the thing I miss about Windows Phone is the lack of an SD Card slot. I would have liked to put my music collection on the phone (30+GB and growing) and replace my 30GB ipod classic. I am not going to start streaming my collection from skydrive. Since my ipod is dying, I am trying to find a viable 64GB or higher replacement, and the more I look, the more I wish MS included an external SD Card.

Everything else, the Windows Phone I have (Trophy) does everything I need it to and more. Couldn't be happier.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
OK, how about you take a picture at 16mp like the titan 2? Go!

The point is... they both can film right? and truthfully... 720 vs 1080... can you really tell the difference when it's filmed from a phone? nope! Plus if you send it to someone it's gonna get down sampled and i would rather make transferring my video faster at 720 then waiting for 1080.

Edit film? what kind of editing do you do on your phone for real? i've never heard of anyone even asking for that. I've never even though of wanting that. Hell i can edit photos on my phone (and do more then standard with app integration) and it's a pain in the ass as it's small. About all i do is remove red eye usually although it can do hundreds of filters. I save that for my pc where i can zoom in and out and do serious editing, if i really want a pictured edited.

What do you mean by "REAL Multiplayer?" Air hockey? got it in real time, next?

And for a few lists...

http://www.bestwp7games.com/category/wp7-multiplayer-games

http://mobiputing.com/2010/12/multiplayer-pc-to-windows-phone-7-gaming-arrives/

or turn by turn like Armed

http://smartphonetv.it/video/smartphone-app-software-and-games/-armed-windows-phone-game-review/

Are you sure you have tried a windows phone? heck real time mp chess was out in 2010.

Here is one we don't have that is coming soon... word with friends. (I wouldn't play it but chicks love it) and instagram which i still haven't figured out why people like it more then just posting a damn pic.

Now what do we have you don't... hmm achievements? Hardware camera button (over iphones that is) fast o/s even on 1 core, integrated social, apps integrate also - like when i take a picture i can use photo-thumba right from the camera built in, Live tiles that are 2 sided giving you all your info at a glance, over 1 day battery life even with hard use (better then any android i have seen)
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
How can you forget? XBOX live, MS Office (not some doc ****e), Zune baked into the OS and the Skype that's getting ready to be baked into the OS as well. But I think, there isn't any point in having logical discussion about this as most people wanted WP7 in 2010 to be as good as iPhone 4s or even iPhone5. But not understanding the facts of marketing, manufacturing and sales isn't someone's real fault. Not everyone can get the maths right. Like comparing iPhone 4s sales with Nokia Lumia 800 sales - ridiculous too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Lol. Point proven, irrational with weak excuses.

Air hockey, lol, chess lol!

What's next, WinPhone is the most perfect mobile OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Cleaned tbread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] speedfreak228:
Why did you delete my post? Someone needs to speak up for the wp7 community
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
The WP7 community is quite outspoken enough as is. If you want to help then report people that are purposely trying to start arguments. Being argumentative with everyone and anyone who says something you don't like doesn't help anything. Especially if they are suggesting something that they think would improve the OS.

From now on if you have a question for a mod send them a PM. This is not the appropriate place for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] speedfreak228:
Sorry.....i never posted anything of that nature before. Just finally had enough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
And what multiplayer game do you play on your phone? You asked... and there are some ;) Armed btw is pretty sweet but it is a turn by turn like command and conquer. I'm betting anything higher then what i listed drains your battery real fast on the dual core androids lol

Also having Office (as mentioned in another post) which connects to a 25GB skydrive account is sweet. I change something on my phone, and when i get to work, it askes me in office if i want to use the updated version. How sweet is that?

Nothing is an excuse. MS had a reason. Why bloat a phone? it's not a pc. If you want it to fly you must make it lean, mean, simple and to the point but yet functional. That would be windows Phone.

Anyhow on topic.. Roadmap looks pretty sweet. Nokia sold 1.3 million lumina 800's (yes the ones without a front facing camera even!!) and a few 710's as they had just come out (yes no front facing camera on those either) in 6 weeks in only 6 countrys. The 900 LTE's are due out in March here on ATT and tmobile has already started selling the 710's like hotcakes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Modern Combat 3, GTA3(isn't multi player), 9mm HD, Street Fighter. I can play these without worrying about my battery and no I'm not using dual cores.

I watch full NBA games on my phone without worrying about my battery. Main reason I gave up my HD7 actually.

Sure its great that Office is built in, but aren't there better alternatives on competing platforms?

Skydrive needs a lot more integration.

Sure you can use your PC ,but why when you always have your mobile? This is a smartphone right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
For me personally, it's cuz somethings are just utterly stupid to do on a 4.3" screen.

Anyways, how's gaming with a touchscreen? I'd imagine it'd blow without actual hardware to do movements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] KimWinter:
Why would I want a phone to satisfy my gaming desires? I have an ultraportable laptop with me that can run most games out there in the market. Besides, if I'm really up for mobile gaming then iOS is the mobile OS for me not Android...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Well I feel that way too, but some decent gaming experience would probably make the platform more appealing to some and help increasing marketshare which wouldn't be bad at this point. The competitors have good games, we don't. The random smartphone adopter may also think about that when choosing a platform to buy into...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
And this is why wp needs to improve. The xbox flags flying in marketing are pale in comparison to the avaiable gaming on ios, and android. The quality of gaming on ios is wow.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
You are so absolutely right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Here is the problem Vet,

1. What are the most popular games on all mobile platforms? Puzzle Games. Games that Mickey Mouse's bargain cellphone could play.

2. I am not sure if there are better alternatives on competing platforms, but it is great on WP and Office is everywhere.

3. Not many Android Phones carry the battery life that a Nexus S carries. So for the 10% (and that is being generous) that do well in the battery department, 90% are below average.

But it goes to show, isn't the Google Nexus S exactly equivalent to a Windows Phone in hardware? Does this not show that hardware is not the end all be all to user experience? No memory card, radio, only 16GB internal, single core.

But that is the fundamental issue having a discussion about technology on a tech website. People want to see all the best tech out there go into these phones. Android gives you that. Windows Phone does not. (Yes we have secondary issues of lack of apps and features).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Xbox live titles coming in february

http://wmpoweruser.com/details-on-must-have-xbox-live-titles-releasing-in-feb-on-windows-phone/

And dont' forget Nokia got an exclusive deal with EA for some popular titles which after a set time will come to the rest of windows phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
The premise of your post is wrong, hence disagree.