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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ivoniko:
Wondering if I can have both apps on my phone. Not switched on at the same time but just in case one of them fails/blocks being able to start the other one. Or is it going to mess up settings.

I have only Talkatone for now(haven't tried groove ip), quality of calls is not bad at all but the app freezes quite often and has a few bugs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
You can have both (or more) without any issues. As long as you log out of one and into the other you'll be fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I've looked at this plan my concerns: I don't do EDGE. It's 2012. And by doing this you guys are out of the LTE ballgame. That doesn't bother you?

Longtime grandfathered AT&T user who just got throttled. Royally pissed me off. But I keep taking it for eventual move to AT&T's LTE later this year. At that point I would be grandfathered into LTE, and then throttled, but it woukd be 4G to 3G.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
We don't do EDGE either. We do HSPA+.

If you don't like being throttled at 2GB, you're either going to have to switch to AT&T's 3GB capped plan (then pay overages after 3GB) or move to a different carrier. AT&T isn't just going to stop throttling people.

My thought is what use is LTE if you're capped at 2GB? Add this to the fact that I have (personally) found absolutely nothing to accomplish on LTE that can't be done quite efficiently on a HSPA+ connection. Not to mention that LTE hurts battery life.

So no, being out of the LTE ballgame hasn't bothered me up to this point, and it won't bother me for some time to come.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bfroehlich:
I know you've only had it a few days, but can you tell us anything yet about how it's been performing? I ordered mine a few days ago, but I'm anxious to see how well it works.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Me too. Sounds like a really good plan for the $$ considering it's based on AT&T's coverage with good roaming. Don't think I could do it if it was limited around 2gb though. I'm 12 days into my month and at 2.2gb right now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bobsbbq:
You won't lose your number if you port it to google voice. Then you can try out different providers every month if you want to until you find what is right for you. If they cancel your given ST number so what you change to another number and update your new number in GV settings.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Audio latency is much higher, especially on HSPA+. They use pretty poor codecs that add lag to the call which gets unbearably annoying after a few calls in my experience. I didn't really have quality problems per se, but the latency was a deal-breaker for me. I would

not

recommend GrooVe IP as a primary means of making calls. Its just too inconsistent when compared to carrier network calls. I found out quickly that people don't tolerate fluctuating voice quality and "hold on let me call you back" every other call.

I've dumped trying to use it for the time being, just holding onto it for situations where I have WiFi only and can't make normal voice calls.

I see the situation as you either 1) don't need lots of minutes monthly, and in that case it's not worth suffering with VOIP solutions, just use the $30 T-Mobile plan and use those minutes (+ a few overages, they're cheap). Or 2) you need lots of minutes, and you REALLY shouldn't rely on GrooVe IP, just go with the $45 ST plan, or $60 T-Mobile plan and use carrier calls.

Could always start with ST and if it doesn't mesh with your usage you can switch back to T-Mobile.

You absolutely can use it natively!!! You just have to be using GV as your primary number.

Well it's a little easier to use up data when you have a connection speed faster than dial up, unlike on Sprint :p

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It seems like they put in all of those provisions in their ToS as extra chances to be able to cut you off if need be. They pretty much have a laundry list of reasons in their that they can cite when they call/text you about your "abuse".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] UnknownPleasures:
Right, yeah I get that.

However, I use a separate number and just have the VM for that number forwarded to GV.

I might just switch to ST in the future, thats the beauty of pre-paid, but even paying $60 to T-mo is better than $100+ to AT&T or VZW.

:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Of course. You can't argue with the price.

And I only bring up the native GV point because most people in here are using their GV # as their primary as part of their move to Prepaid. It just makes that switch between carriers that much easier.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] UnknownPleasures:
You do have me intrigued however...

Any chance you can link me to a thread/site regarding porting my number to GV instead of a telecom co?

If it fits my needs, I might have to do so!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
It works the same way as porting to a carrier, but it just becomes a "virtual" number instead.

$20 one time fee and you can't get calls/texts for a couple days. After that anyone that calls your number gets forwarded to any phone you choose.

http://support.google.com/voice/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1065667
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
Yeah, my thought was that if Groove IP over WiFi improved on latency compared to call-forwarding with GV, I could use it for the longer calls I make from home where GV's latency would be more annoying. Then I can use normal call-forwarding GV when I'm out and about for short calls, where I might not care as much about the latency. This would allow me to use ST or T-Mo but port my number to GV. Unfortunately I just tried making a call with the Groove IP app and the other person could hear me just fine but I couldn't hear them - no audio was coming my way at all. Not sure what was wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] UnknownPleasures:
Thank you much, definitely going to consider this tomorrow, especially if my T-mo sim doesn't arrive at the same time.

:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well for that, I recommend just making your calls with your GV # + Google Talk + GMail. Quality is perfect and all calls in/out are free. I still find it interesting having you talk about the audio latency with normal GV # call forwarding, as I haven't noticed it in the 4 months I've been using it.

There are lots of settings to tweak that you can try, but everyone seems to have a different issue with it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
Always, *always* use whatever reports the highest usage. The cellular carrier is undoubtedly going to use the highest possible usage indicator. Also, I'm going to guess that Android's native reporting is going to be the most accurate, although it is unfortunate that after a factory reset you do lose your stats...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well the problem is your Data Usage app and your carrier billing period will almost assuredly not reset at exactly the same time. So unless you're on WiFi for the few hours (or more) between the two resets, your data usage probably won't line up.

Really wish Google would just implement a "reset now" function in the Data Usage app. Let us choose when to reset the counter and start over. You can only select a day/date range and its not very clear when it actually resets the month.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
You can set whatever data usage period you want... Just select "Data usage cycle" and then "Change cycle...". I set that each time I install a new ROM.

Funny thing is, by far the app with the heaviest data usage is my Speedtest app...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
But sure about straight talk, but TMobile is really easy to sign in on through your phones browsers. as long as your on mobile and not on wifi, all you have to do is click account and then yes. From there you can see your usage
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
http://m.lifehacker.com/5911836/save-money-by-switching-your-smartphone-to-prepaid-service

Again, beating a dead horse, this thread belongs at the top of HoFo and XDA. It's really that useful. If I could slap the thanks button multiple times I would.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
I find it interesting too. I've been relying upon Google Voice forwarding since July of 2009 and I've never encountered latency issues. Once the call is connected, it behaves just like any other voice call to me.

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As martonikaj mentions, there are tons of settings for GrooveIP - which is why I prefer it over Talkatone even though the codecs aren't as efficient. Take a look at Menu > Settings > Troubleshooting > Audio Routing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
Morning everyone. So after thinking about this entirely too much in bed last night, I think I decided on the perfect solution for myself. Get the Nexus and Straight Talk since that deal is just too good to not try. Since I'm a little worried about something weird happening that makes my account inactive and losing my number, port my number to Google Voice. At this point the problem is latency as has been mentioned. Well, I realized that 90% of the time I only talk to maybe 3 or 4 people. So, my "official" number can remain the one I port to GV, and I don't have to give out a new number to everyone, but those 3 or 4 people I can just give my new ST number to...not a big deal compared to having to change it everywhere. Then I can call lag-free like normal to those people. Everyone else who calls my regular number (businesses, friends I talk to less often) I can just deal with the latency - it's not the end of the world, it just makes rapid-fire conversation a little harder.

Even if GV starts charging for domestic calls (I doubt they will), it would probably be super cheap, like 1 or 2 cents a minute. Outside of my bulk calling to those few close people, very few minutes would be passing through GV, maybe 100/month or less, so that would be a buck or two if Google started doing that.

Thoughts?

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Thanks, that's encouraging to hear because at least it means the experience can be better. What carrier are you using it on? Maybe it's an issue with Sprint and it'll be better on Straight Talk. The latency is not huge and sometimes you might not even be able to tell, but as soon as both parties try to talk at the same time or something is when it becomes obvious and it gets a little annoying.

Thanks for mentioning the Groove IP settings area....I will look at that soon and see what I can try. Would be nice to get that working for when I'm on WiFi.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
I'm on T-Mobile, but was on AT&T until January.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
Things like this are what make me concerned about even experimenting with ST however. I wonder if another MVNO would be better to try first.

At that link I also see people comparing ST and Red Pocket prices "with taxes and fees." I thought these sorts of services included all that in the price. What does the final price of ST and RP come out to?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jazzruby:
From the Walmart site: (Email Delivery) Straight Talk Unlimited Text, Talk and Web Access 30-Day Service Card

$45.00

$2.93 -tax

$47.93 -total
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Plus the one time price of the sim card
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
I know that, but what Im saying is they'll never reset at the same time, even if you have it set for the same day your carrier resets it. They'll reset a few hours apart and maybe you browsed the web for a half hour. Your usage states will be off by 50mb or whatever between the two.

Simple solution is a "reset now" button. Wouldn't be hard at all to implement. Kinda give them the benefit of the doubt because its a new feature. Maybe in Android 5.

Agreed! This thread needs to be stickied on every forum, or at least the Galaxy Nexus ones.

I doubt they will start charging either. But even if they do, the rates will be much lower than 1 or 2c a minute. Like fractions of a cent. Look at international rates for most VOIP services and you'll see fractions of a cent per minute. I highly doubt that domestic calls would be more than that. I still find it hard to believe that they'd charge for domestic though. Just not Google's style.

Oh, and I'm on T-Mobile w/ Google Voice (to your Q about latency).

Well since Straight Talk is a TracFone + Walmart joint venture, you can only buy refills from Walmart (online or in-store) or auto-refill with Straight Talk's website. This means that you're almost always going to be charged tax and possibly a couple fees (like E911 I've heard).

With other "open" MVNO's that don't care where you get the refills, you can use something like CallingMart (which I use, see sig link) to buy refills with no tax or fees, and often at a 1%-5% discount on the purchase price. For example, if I were to buy refills for T-Mobile from their website or in Walmart, I'll pay $30 + Sales tax (my state is ~10%) = $33. But when I buy at callingmart, I get the $30 refill pins for like $29.70 (or less if there's a promo). So not only do I save the 1% on the face value of the card, but that's added to the 10% savings from not paying tax. The PIN is delivered instantly to your email and you get 90 days to apply it to your account, and it shows up the same as cash.

So that's why the prices can be compared as such. Still beats the crap out of paying fees. Knowing the only thing to deal with is tax sounds good to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] FrenchToast_:
I just got the Tmobile prepaid service, and I must say, it is very good! Widely recommended, service is great here in Atlanta!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Good to hear.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] notRodney:
ST's "unlimited" plan has me skeptical after reading the past 50 pages. What are your experiences with T-Mobile's unlimited Monthly 4G plans? Mainly the $30 option with "the first 5GB at up to 4G speed."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scoobdude:
For 30 bucks and a 2 dollar sim its well worth the sampling ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
My experience has been that the first 5GB of data is provided at up to 4G speed, depending on coverage. The speed has been quite acceptable to me, usually between 4 and 8 Mbps when "H" is indicated - which is much faster than I regularly saw on AT&T. After exceeding the 5GB allowance, my data gets throttled down to about 60kbps, which can be kind of painful. I stick to Wifi when I can and usually hover at around 4GB of actual data usage each month.

Overall, I'm more than pleased with the $30 plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bobsbbq:
I have used both. In my area I get good coverage on both. I think AT&T has a little better coverage in outlying areas though.

Straight Talk is more for people who talk alot and use less Data IMHO. I never had a problem with data but I don't use that much 1-1.5 in a month.

T-Mobile which I'm currently using is also great but might not be good for some people. I use about 200-400 min a month so it cost me 40-60.00 a month with 5GB of data. One advantage is if you use calling Mart for your refill cards you can save even more, as no sales tax and they offer discounts as well.

I use GV as my main number, along with Talkatone while at home or on WiFi I can get a lot of mileage for Free. I just got off the phone and was on a 60 min call on Talkatone and the quality on WiFi was good.

The good thing is that you are free and can make the change and try them both. I bought both T-Mobile and Straaight Talk SIM cards and switched back and fourth until I decided.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Surely after reading the last 50 pages you saw that those of us not on the $45 ST plan are mostly on the $30 T-Mobile Monthly4G plan...

Many of us use it regularly. I'll be ending my 4th month on this plan in a week, and it's served me very well. You really do get 5GB at full speeds, but you are absolutely throttled the second you hit 5GB. Down to about ~60kbps dn / ~150kbps up. It's a little slower than EDGE (you can toggle to EDGE only if you want), but you keep the low ping times of HSPA+ (~100ms). The speed is perfectly serviceable for app usage and push services, but pretty bad for heavy web browsing.

Getting into the $30 plan you need to know ahead of time:

1) no roaming. at all.

2) no nights/weekends/in-network free calls. 100 minutes is

100 minutes

.

3) talk overages are $0.10/min, I recommend keeping a "slush fund" of a few dollars on your account just in case. If you run out of minutes and have no money in the account, they will not send you a bill, you simply won't be able to make calls (other than 911).

4) when your month ends and you don't have money in your account, your service turns off at 12:01am that night (true for all prepaid). I recommend keeping money in the account ahead of time. It's only "charged" every 30 days and funds are good for 90 days (extended another 90 every time you add $$). I recommend CallingMart for refill cards.

If you have any other specific questions I'd try reading through the thread a bit more (or searching, threads getting quite long now). So many people are using this $30 plan I've answered this question over and over again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] notRodney:
Thanks for the super quick responses fellas. I'll most likely be going the T-Mo route for the first couple months, and see if anything changes with ST
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jbeez:
Pro tip, if your ship to address for the Walmart order is in Delaware you don't pay tax on your emailed pin number on the monthly refills
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
I'm sure this is true for any state w/o a state sales tax...

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No prob.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xdp:
Thanks for the responses everyone....getting prepared to buy the Nexus next week maybe and then start service the week after that. I'd like to go with the T-Mo $30 plan, the problem is I'm looking on the roads I travel long distances on and T-Mo's coverage is awful, in some areas not even voice service, whereas AT&T has it all covered in 4G/sometimes 3G. However I only make these trips every few months. Are there any services that you let fill up but the bucket of minutes/data doesn't expire? Or can you keep a SIM around inactive and use it again months later? That way I could use T-Mo most of the time and just swap to an AT&T MVNO SIM when I travel.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
If you add money to a prepaid account and activate the SIM, it stays active and the money stays there for 90 days before it becomes "inactive" again. So theoretically, you could hold onto it and swap between the two, but it would only work if you wanted to switch for at least a month at a time. Aka activate for a month, shut it down, activate the other for a month, etc. etc. back and forth.

I don't think that's a very good idea personally. Swapping back and forth isn't going to be very user friendly and will probably cost you more in the long run (both time and $$) setting it up. I recommend you just go with Straight Talk on AT&T. It's not worth dealing with flipping between the two SIMs, you might as well stick with the one that will work everywhere you expect to go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scoobdude:
Another quick question guys. It looks like go phone has a new 50 dollar unlimited plan with eligible phone purchase. They have refurb Nokia starting at 16 bucks. However I can't find any details on data limits of 3g or even if you can access the 4g plans etc.

But the good thing is the phone would be good for someone like me with no back up phone on GSM and its only 5 bucks more a month than ST with maybe the added benefit of not getting kicked off for abuse.

Any thoughts?

Plan banner and phone can be found here http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...otClick=1-007HHO!CIGPMQ01-0-1#sku5120259_a|||

* never mind it seems a data plan is required
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] codesplice:
Yeah, they require you to add on a proper data plan if you have a smartphone. Some folks claim that you can sometimes use a smartphone without purchasing the data plan... but to me that's just asking for service interruption. I'd rather look elsewhere and sleep soundly in the knowledge that they won't turn off my service with no warning because I violated their TOS.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Does anyone in Wisconsin have experience with Airfire Mobile? I'm going to avoid Strait Talk and t mobile isn't available where I live.

Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plmiller0905:
I'm in Wisconsin but I'm using straight talk..not to familiar with Airfare Mobile..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
How is Straight Talk treating you? I just called then regarding the data cap and they denied it. They were actually a little ride, makes me wonder if they're getting a lot of calls, lol!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Of course they deny it! They want to promote to the normal people that it's unlimited.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plmiller0905:
Its treating me fine so far. I have no complaints. I haven't had any dropped calls and the data speeds is a lot faster than sprint.

I figure I will give it a try for a month and if all looks good, I'll keep them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Thanks. I have such a tough voice. The HTC Evo 3d is coming out for Virgin Mobile. It would be smarter financially for me to go that route, but the GNEX just looks so awesome.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scoobdude:
Evo 3d would tie you in to cdma options only
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Yeah I'm with Virgin and would have 4g on this phone and it comes with ICS. My head days go with the Evo, but my heart says GNEX.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] scoobdude:
I get my GSM gnex tomorrow. Dropping my gnex on sprint due to crap speeds. Prepaid seems best bang for the buck plus the benefit of no contract.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lafester:
I really would not get the evo 3d unless its like $100.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Any reason why? It's $300. The specs are about the same. Any help would be great. I have someone else tugging my arm in the other direction telling me that the GNEX isn't any better than the Evo 3d.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sk63:
HSPA+ for me on T-Mobile is just about as fast as Wimax on Sprint (Virgin's parent company). Battery life is so much better. Also you get get real ICS, not Sense 3.6 ICS. Leaving Sprint was a great decision for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Yeah unfortunately Straight Talk is my only option, so I wouldn't have 4g.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jlczl:
Why would you avoid it? There is nothing but success stories about it all over this thread and can anyone point to anywhere where someone has posted they've been kicked off? It's working great for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
You'd get HSPA+ though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Really? I'd have to go the AT&T Sim card. Didn't know the data was 4g speed on Straight Talk.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
well, it's "4G". You can choose AT&T or T-Mobile, both will give you HSPA+.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plmiller0905:
Which carrier is you with now?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BrianDigital:
Resell value for one, this phone can be sold to anyone that uses gsm that phone would be probably be only used on virgin, but sure if a Sprint person could out that on their account
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plmiller0905:
The Galaxy Nexus will provide you with a lot of options as far as selling it l, if you so choose to.

However, the Evo 3d will limit you. One because its cdma and second because its on Virgin Mobile.

I would go the Galaxy Nexus route if I were you :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
I'm with Virgin right now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] plmiller0905:
So you're basically on Sprint...which means slow data speeds. Definitely go w/ Straight Talk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mjs2011:
Thanks. That brings up a great point about the resell value. If I realize that I hate Straight Talk, I could easily sell this for $350+ on Craigslist.