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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Apple sold more devices since you posted this than Asus will sell Prime's in all of 2012. Comparing the newsworthy-ness of an Asus issue to an Apple issue is ridiculous. Asus isn't even the number one seller of Android tablets.

Since the Prime no longer includes GPS as feature, the discussion turns to why. The TF1 had it. The TF700 will have it. Every other high-end Android tablet has it. Was it because Asus wanted to save money and not include a GPS chip and antenna? No, it's because a design choice rendered it useless and only after an online crusade did they acknowledge the problem. That speaks directly to Asus' capabilities as a manufacturer as well as their integrity.

"Have no issues" or it meets their needs? Looking at the side-by-side videos of a TF1 and Prime that a couple of people posted to YouTube you can see how the Prime has trouble sustaining a signal. That's made worse the further the distance from the router and when only the back of the Prime is facing it. I agree that adding the second antenna makes the Prime's Wi-Fi passable, but it's certainly not as good as other plastic-backed tablets and even the TF1.

Only because Asus is shipping Prime's in dribs and drabs. Ramping up to full production normally takes 30-45 days. At 15 days they should be at half production at least. I don't understand why resellers are still only receiving a couple of hundred units sporadically.

Look at it this way. The best signal most tablets receive is through their plastic back cover because that's where there's the least interference from other componentry. The Prime out-of-the-box has a 50% signal deficit because of its metal back cover. Asus compensated for Wi-Fi by adding a second antenna but GPS (and possibly BT/Wi-Fi streaming) couldn't be saved. In side-by-side comparisons with the TF1 you can see it struggle to maintain the continuity of the Wi-Fi signal. Wi-Fi may be fine the way some people use it but it'll never be as good as tablets that have a plastic back

Explain this... For the TF700 to be announced and for reporters to be allowed hands-on time at CES it has obviously been in the works for quite a few months. Typically, when a product line is intended to support two versions of a product, they're designed and engineered so that parts and components can be shared in order to save money and speed up development. If Asus always planned for the TF700 to just be an HD version of the Prime, they would have designed them at the same time and they would have used the same components. They're obviously completely different devices with the TF700 having it's internals re-worked as evidenced by the change in button placement. That and a back cover that contains plastic over where I'm guessing the GPS, Wi-Fi, and BT antennas will be placed. The TF700 isn’t a “better” Prime, it’s a different device. While not good for Prime owners, at least I give Asus credit for acknowledging their mistakes and moving quickly to get a better designed product to market.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
dont quite totally agree with the last paragraph. I believe that the different arrangement of the antennas and case of the TF700T was due to the TF201's flaws. I believe the TF700T is the "better prime" or to even call it what the prime is suppose to be. If the TF201 had a perfect GPS and wifi, I bet you anything that the TF700T would have the same arrangements.... why because it works. The issue would cause... would you pay an extra 100 dollars for a slightly better resolution on a 10.1 tablet and a very slight improved camera?????? I bet only a few would choose the TF700T over the TF201 if performance wise they are the same with a slight retouch on the screen an camera. If they added 3G on the TF700 then that would be a different case.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Logseman:
Look, a cheapo fallacy!

I don't own a Prime or an iDevice, but a Xperia Play. Almost nobody has complaints about the device, except for the software side. If Sony marketed the device as having a superb psx game roster when its psx game catalogue is tiny, I would say the very same.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
This makes the point I was trying to bring out in a different way. If you look at tablet pricing in general, major features are priced in $100 increments. You want 64GB of RAM? $100. You want 3G? $100. The higher-featured tablets are more profitable for manufacturers. But at the end of the day, they're still selling more tablets by offering people more choices but there aren't major design differences between the multiple versions.

To your point, if the Prime had perfect wireless and they planned to sell 1MM, and by introducing an identical TF700 that had a HD screen and better camera they sold 500K more, that's a sales increase of 50%. And if only the display and camera were changed their development and production costs would be minimal with the benefit of an overall tablet sales increase and more profit on the higher-spec model. Motorola doesn’t view the 32GB 4G version of the Zoom as a competitor to the 16GB Wi-Fi version – they offer multiple versions just because they want to sell more Zoom’s.

But the TF700 isn't identical and I don't think (or at least I hope) Asus intentionally handicapped the Prime as a way to make the TF700 look and sell better. There are a couple of scenarios that could be behind the TF700's release:

1) Asus became aware late in the Prime's development timeline that it had wireless issues. By that point all the announcements of its release had been made and they committed to quantities of components from third parties and had already geared up for production. They released it knowing it had issues but, in the case of Wi-Fi, got it to an acceptable standard.

2) Before the Prime was even released, with HD displays becoming a big deal marketing wise, they began work on a different Prime that addressed the issues they encountered earlier and would allow Asus to offer a more competitive product as others released their HD tablets.

If the above is true, the question becomes "what happens to the Prime" post-TF700?

1) They continue to sell it throughout 2012 at a lower price point than the TF700 to recoup their R&D and production investment? Keep in mind that if the current rate of returns, exchanges, and RMA’s continue their profitability goals for the Prime are already hosed.

2) To save face, and make it look like it was their intention all along, they allow the Prime and TF700 to co-exist for a period of time and then pull the Prime?

3) Quickly after the TF700's released the Prime quietly disappears?

And before you say it demandarin, I know Gary Key has said that the Prime won't be discontinued, the TF700 won't have GPS, and a bunch of other things that would support people continuing to buy the Prime and aid Asus in making their 2012 sales goals. Every "official" statement or comment is only valid until it's superseded by the next "official" statement or comment. And Asus' communication has been wonky at best with different statements coming out in different parts of the world. Everything I just said is

pure speculation

but it's still interesting to consider.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
;) OK, I got one for you. what if new tf-700 is released down the road and its proven the plastic strip on metal back doesn't improve wireless reception at all? Especially if by the time tf-700 rolls out, updates to Prime basically fixes original issues, REGARDLESS OF METAL BACKING.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I've got one for you... Let's assume Asus' isn't totally incompetent and they address all the issues with the TF700. If the Prime costs $300 to produce and the TF700 costs $350 with the difference being the HD screen and better camera, why wouldn't Asus put the lower spec screen and camera in the TF700 to bring its cost back down to $300? That way they'd still have a $499 model and a $599 model, their production costs would be lower, and both devices will have great wireless. ;) There's more to this than we'll ever know and the final outcome won't be known until the TF700 is released or a couple of months after.

The metal back cover was a mistake. Asus has admitted in multiple countries. The TF700 and 7" don't have it. So Asus' s/w engineers and the greatest dev's in the world here on XDA can try and compensate for it all they want, but it's still a mistake.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] murgo:
i'm pretty sure that is not going to happen. the metal backplate was/is/will always be an incredibly stupid idea. 2 wifi antennas or not, it just doesn't work right.

my sgs2 is getting faster speeds all the time, no matter what i do. i have a 25mbit line and the sgs2 got 22 of those. the prime only managed to get about 10 in the exact same location. when i turned the display to face the router, it got 18. better, but STILL not as fast as the phone.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
I can see the justifications on more RAM or if 3G was involved for the 100 increase.. But a slight increase in resolution on a 10 in tablet.... maybe it was a huge tv.. and a very slight increase on the front camera. I can not see the justification on the 100 increase. Andif Asus did intentionally handicap the TF201 prime to make TF700 more appealing.. why go to the extreme to be have the prime sub par from its predecessor the TF101, where GPS and wifi performance exceed that of the TF201.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Look at it this way, Apple and Samung are both expected to release ultra-HD tablets in the next couple of months. Between them, they'll spend more than the GDP of most third world countries convincing people that there lives will end if they don't have HD displays. I expect both will be $599 at a minimum. Asus is smart in offering "value" at $499 and a $599 "high-end" HD equivelant. That way people can choose based on what pushes their buttons. At the end of the day, Asus (and others) could care less about HD - they just want to sell tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Explain this then. THIS is with backplate facing the router. Plus I pull even faster speeds. My Atrix4g doesn't pull these speeds when connected to my wireless network.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
You don't understand how pricing works. Tech companies strive for 60-65% gross margins, which is price - manufacturing costs (parts, labor, shipping, customs, etc.). So, say, a $35 increase in manufacturing costs results in about a $100 increase in price. It varies, of course, but not by terribly much.

I can easily imagine those high-res screens to cost ASUS $35 (give or take) more than the current screen. They'll be harder to produce and thus subject to more failures and lower quantity, thus they'll cost considerably more. And that's without considering the camera and any other changes to the TF700.

People keep wanting to find a conspiracy here, but I just don't think there is one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That's

your

Prime, in

your

house, under conditions that aren't the same as anyone elses on this forum. I don't think anyone's said that Wi-Fi isn't passable under the right conditions. If you look at the peaks and valleys in your download graph (the one on the left) that points to an inconsistency in the signal. It's not as consistent as what I typically see on my mobile devices. But again, comparing my devices with yours makes no sense as my conditions are different. Some of you that are getting acceptable results need to acknowledge that people experiencing different results under different conditions aren't insane or trolls.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Maybe this will shut everyone up about Prime wifi being subpar. Here is the article and graph from Anadtech. PRIME IS ACTUALLY THE 3RD BEST TABLET PERIOD ON WIFI RECEPTION. BETTER THAN OG TRANSFORMER N IPAD2.

HOW ABOUT DEM APPLES? lmfao

EVEN better than your beloved Samsung galaxy tab that has 5Ghz support, Gary...lol. GOTCHA!

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Completely understandable, EXCEPT when those same people try to put off that everyone else is getting ****ty results that must be, in their mind, a result of metal backplate.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
I've decided there is no use arguing over things that either can't be proven or can't be resolved on a forum.

I'll leave the anger, *****ing, and moaning to them I enjoy my TFP immensely :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Perhaps you should read the paragraph below the GRAPH that you are linking.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Okay, I just took my Prime and my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Sprint's version of the SGS2, of course) outside to my office building's courtyard. I've never gotten good wifi reception out there with my Epic 4G Touch, barely 1 bar and sometimes I need to kill wifi to get 3G signal to do anything.

I oriented the Prime with the backplate facing the router and ran SpeedTest. I got about 300kbps down and about the same up on a number of runs. Pretty bad, right?

I then ran the Epic 4G Touch in the same location, and SpeedTest couldn't connect. Not a single time. That's right: not enough of a connection to even run SpeedTest, even at very low speeds.

So, by THIS test, the Prime did considerably BETTER THAN the Epic 4G Touch. Of course, I've been in other scenarios where the reverse was true.

Inside the office, I got about 8900kbps down/2200kbps up on the Prime, about 9300kbps down/1900kbps up on the Epic 4G Touch.

I think nobody should comment on whether or not the Prime's wifi (or any other) performance is good enough for anybody else. If it's good enough for you, keep it and enjoy it. If it's not good enough for you, buy something else. Easy peasy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
Maybe the ones complaining are the ones that are trying to steal their neighbor's wifi - which will explain the need for getting signals from so far away ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
;)

I totally agree with your logic and I guessed about the same cost differential for the HD display. But, as for conspiracy, since development of the Prime and TF700 overlapped, why wouldn't they have standardized the design to save time, money, and reduce support/repair costs? Since profit (sadly) is the number one driver, either a Prime with an optional HD display or a TF700 with a dumbed down display would have been far more logical. Announcing two devices that are virtually identical spec wise but fundamentally different in design just seems odd (and expensive).

P.S. - I was going to defend your point in the latest GPS driving thread but thought it would only end up adding another five pages of meaningless debate.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I did. That doesn't contradict what he said before the graph ;)

BUT HE DID have this to say
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
And this was also from the same site about the asus prime.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review

"What's one of the biggest risks when you give reviewers only 39 hours to review a product? If something is wrong with the review sample, there's hardly any time to fix it. This time I drew the short straw and my Transformer Prime review sample arrived with highly questionable WiFi performance. Both range and performance were impacted by whatever plagued my sample. I got less range and much lower performance than the original Eee Pad Transformer regardless of location or wireless access point. How bad? My Prime had difficulty sustaining more than 2Mbps over WiFi. ASUS and NVIDIA both sent me proof that there wasn't something wrong with other samples, and from their data it looks like the WiFi stack in the Prime is at least comparable to the original Transformer. The problem may just be limited to my unit, although I tend to believe that if something goes wrong once, it's bound to go wrong more than once."

If you received a lucky prime, yes your post about wifi performance can be said. But it seems your source are also getting crappy performance from the transformer prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I've participated in a dozen XDA forums for the devices I've owned, none have had lower objectivity than this one. People grasp at a single stat be it Wi-Fi or GPS and will fight to the death to defend the Prime's metal back cover. There are people still trying to convince themselves that the Prime's GPS works in spite of all we know and Asus' public disclosure to the contrary. Curious.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Good point..lmao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
It doesn't validate your point in WIFI's subpar performance.

If you agree with his statement, fine by me. I don't have any issue with that statement (for overall performance, compared to other tablets that are currently out atm, I agree with his sentiment.. but that doesn't mean it isn't flawed either).

I can't agree with "Asus's image as being a company that is good at engineering and design" though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
FAIL..LOL that was his initial test. What I showed was his most recent and final testing on it.

One thing that can be said though that there is probably faulty devices out there. But not all of them though. As his final test results showed that.

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Wow we agree for once...I never said Prime was a perfect device or didn't have it flaws also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
We disagree in your logic behind GPS and WIFI performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
It surely seems to me that there are a whole hell of alot more faulty devices than ones that operate correctly still in circulation. Im sure that their last test on the prime had a gps that sees satellites. While, the ones I have personally seens and others on the forum only have decent wifi and sees no satellites.

Im sure Asus personally made sure, AnandTech retested a quality prime for the review so they wouldnt look bad the second time around.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] murgo:
yes, you're right. everyones wifi experience is completely different. different routers, walls etc. i'll sure as hell never actually use the prime on the balcony with both doors closed, i just did it as a test. the funny thing is, my first prime got 6mbit down/ 4mbit up on the balcony. so there must be a significant difference between the two that i had.

my first one also connected to my university's wifi and had decent speeds, while the sgs2 struggled to connect.

when i get my third one i'll do more extensive tests at different locations to see if the wifi is sufficient for me or not.

i really don't wanna bash the prime. just saying that mine didn't perform that well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I think people are missing the point about the impact the metal back cover has on both Wi-Fi and GPS. All the stats everyone's thrown up are static - meaning they're continuous tests with the device stationary. One of my friends who bought a Prime has a high-end router and was totally satisfied using it at home. After the first business trip, he returned it because in less than ideal conditions it had trouble finding and maintaining a consistent Wi-Fi signal. If any of you have used GoGo inflight you know how hard it is competing for signal and bandwidth against 100 other people. The Prime couldn't even connect and he tried at various places on the airplane whereas his ex-Zoom never had an issue. And I don't get people holding their Prime's to the sky over their heads outdoors and boasting about the number of satellites it locks. Is that the way anyone here uses GPS? So how and where you use your Prime will determine your level of satisfaction with its wireless abilities.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SonicMZ:
Dear Friends, I have been searching for 2 days already and can't find the explanation to the questions stated below. I wanted to install new ROM ICS on my Sensation XE, and found that I need to update my firmware to ... Could you please clarify the following questions:

1. What is the Firmware and where can I find the current firmware that is installed in my phone? (as far as I understood firmware has nothing to do with android version)

2. Is that correct that in order to update the firmware I need to flash a zip file PG58IMG of the kind? :confused:

3. What is RUU and how does it relate to the firmware and radio?

4. Does the firmware or RUU update my hboot?

5. Why hboot 1.20 and above disables fast boot feature and why is it so important?

6. Can updating the firmware of RUU brick my phone and can the firmware update be reverted?

Thank you for all your answers. I would appreciate you answering as simple as possible. I am not very new to these things but more simple explanation would help greatly.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djkaija:
Have a look here to begin with.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackdogdz:
HTC announced on their site that now the DZ got a unlocked bootloader, i don't exactly know what it means though, so that's why i am posting. Does it mean that now the device will be way easier to root/s-off? no more adb and all?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steviewevie:
I don't know what they've done for our phone exactly, but for another HTC phone I know the bootloader unlock doesn't give S-OFF, so while you can flash a custom ROM, it still won't let you flash radios.

Possibly the worst bit is by using this tool you will be officially agreeing with HTC that your warranty is void.

I suggest sticking with the method in the XDA Wiki.

Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] inline4:
I just encrypted my tab after my laptop and phone were stolen. Mine is the wifi version which kinda makes a remote wipe kinda moot in case of theft.

Question is, how fool proof is the encryprion on the tab? Thanks
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gokpog:
Notes on the implementation of encryption in Android 3.0

If your password is reasonably secure, your personal data also is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ruimoura:
Hi, since last update to gg maps i can't use navigation on the galaxy nexus, when it starts calculating the route it always crashes. I've tried disabling GPU render on settings but it doesn't matter. Anyone having this issue? I find it strange, considering it's a google app.

ps: yes, i've already cleared app data
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dedemor:
Same problem

I solved it today as soon as I read your username (ruimoura) and saw the flag of Portugal. I got the same problem and I am brazilian.

So when I saw only you and me reporting this problem, I changed the language of my Galaxy Nexus to English (United States).

Bingo! The navigator worked perfectly...

I hope Google correct this bug, so we can use the Navigator on our language (Portuguese).

Thanks ruimoura for your indirect help.

Obrigado.

Dedemor
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qsec:
I think this is mentioned in other threads. Check your Pico TTS setting language in language and input settings. Set it to English if it is set to some other language
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Brask123:
If someone doesent find the setting its Settings - Language & input - Text-to-speech output
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mistrzrc:
Had this same problem - but now solved - Big Thanks !!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] biffsmash:
Ignore please :D Thought I had problem but I was being an idiot.