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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Yes, ASUS needs to provide an option for people who bought the Prime prior to the GPS being recognized as an issue that won't be fixed. I'm not even sure if that point has been reached yet, because there are plenty of people buying the Prime who never visit XDA or any other forum or site that has covered the problem, or the ASUS Facebook page, and who get their information from retailer specs that still list the GPS.

That said, I think it's also fair to say:

1. For anyone who is aware of the GPS issue, concerned about it, and still within their return period, return it. Period. There's simply no reason to come here and complain so vehemently (and repeatedly, in many cases) about a well-known and already over-discussed problem, when you have the option of returning the thing. ASUS only owes us a product that meets its advertised capabilities--it's entirely within their rights to not fix the GPS and to market it going forward as a non-GPS device. To put it another way: none of us have a right to a device that does exactly what we want it to do, we only have a right to purchase or not purchase whatever devices manufacturers want to sell to us. Don't like the Prime's lack of full GPS performance? Fine. Buy something else.

2. It's not unreasonable to suggest that people who no longer own the Prime, or who elect not to return theirs, no longer pile onto existing threads or, worse, create new threads, about the same over-discussed problem. Perhaps going so far as asking them to leave isn't appropriate, but there are certainly some folks who seem hell-bent on ruining the forum for everyone else.

3. Those who are unhappy with their Prime's performance should stop telling the rest of us that we're wrong about being happy with ours. The Primes I've used (and returned for other, uncommon problems) had perfectly serviceable wifi--not as fast as others when measured via Speedtest, but perfectly fast enough for all of my use cases. I experience the wifi/BT issue with all of my devices to one extent or another, some better than and some worse than the Prime. So that's a non-issue as far as the Prime is concerned. And in my 8 months or so of using the original Transformer, I never once had an occasion to use it as a GPS device outside of simple location services, where the Prime is fine. So, just like wifi iPad 2 buyers, I couldn't care less about GPS performance. So stop telling me I'm wrong for feeling that way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
You are really into personal flaming apparently. Please read this thread before you question my objective opinions of the device. Just because I am not an ASUS fanboy thinking TF201 is the best device of all time does not make my opinion less valid and certainly does not mean you can offend me and people like me who share my opinion of ASUS and the launch of Transformer Prime. Stop acting like an Android version of Apple Fanboi.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
But isn't the intent of OP in starting this thread to tell people who aren't happy to "stop telling the rest of the world" so it doesn't harm the Prime's image? That's the quid pro quo of what you're saying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Newsflash Asus is huge (they build PCs and multiple computer components in case you didjt know)and has plenty of money this will not hurt them however it will let them know it's unacceptable and they will learn from their mistakes so I totally 100% disagree with you
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RipplingHurst:
Exactly, well said.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] se1000:
Well said OP.

For all of those complaining, they can go out and buy the other Tegra 3 equiped Ice Cream Sandwich tablet......

As for me, I can't get enough of my flawless TF201 that's rooted, overclocked, and is now showing uptime for just shy of 100hrs straight.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdelliott31:
I personally feel those that are happy thats great. Those that are not the voice it but do something about it. Sell it, fix it, ebay it, rma it, ask for help. But quit harping a week later and 100 posts later.

To me the worst are those who complain but will return it for the TF 700. These posts make all of is look bad.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
No, please read the OP and my ongoing posts again.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Not in the greater scheme of things. Asus' last full year's revenue (2010) was $10B USD. That's less than 25% of what Samsung's spending in R&D.

Samsung to Invest ~$42B USD in 2012 -- Mostly on Chipmaking, OLED TVs

http://www.dailytech.com/Samsung+to...ostly+on+Chipmaking+OLED+TVs/article23796.htm

2010 Asus Annual Report

http://www.corpasia.net/taiwan/2357...port in English_BagG4ynHEGtD_5dgIyjpNELHA.pdf
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] di11igaf:
They need to unlock the boot loader and a lot of their issues will likely be fixed for them. They need to help us help them. The clock is still ticking, I'm not gonna be stuck with this thing with a locked boot loader if they won't even give us a timeframe other than 'the future'
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Don't mean to rain on parade but read a few articles today, since xda was down, about how Microsoft doesn't want Windows 8 to be ported or dual booted on a device that it doesn't come with natively. They've implemented some kind of secure boot feauture or something that supposedly prevents it from being ported or having another OS dual booted with it. That goes for Android trying to port ARM version of Windows 8 and native ARM, Tegra3 running win 8, being able to port android onto it. They trying to block porting or being able to dual boot. Ill try to find article n make a thread on it. Disappointing news but I'm sure developers will figure out a way around the windows block. They also released the hardware requirements on a tablet for windows 8. Its very strict and has requirements not found on prime or even newer upcoming tablets. If I find the leak, ill post it.

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just tether through BT in the meantime until a fix or s compatible app is found. BT tether is better than no tether at all. The ICS update didn't affect BT tethering and still works fine. I do prefer my wifi method but will have to wait.

Plus I had a Tilt2 aka Rhodium which is the same as TP2. They have BT apps n BT tethering built into it.

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Way more units than that get shipped. The problem is The Prime is the most sought after tablet right now and sells out so quickly. More will come. It'd be better anyways that you had to wait because more than likely your device won't have any issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Logseman:
So let me guess: a company releases a device with untested features, poor preorder management, and beta software, the company decides to write off the most troubled feature... And users are supposed to 1) constructively report about the feature which doesn't exist anymore and the poor presale support, 2) do so through the company -established channels, amd 3) ignore the press. All that after paying circa 600 dollars for the device.

The rationale is that the company may retaliate by not giving support, and and and.

Who are you ****ing trying to kid? ASUS are not giving support anyways, and the press' role is to actually watch companies' behavior. And what ASUS has done is detracting value from their customers, for the simple reason that they couldn't be bothered to test their devices properly.

Why should issues like this be public? For a very simple reason: companies have to be scrutinized properly and constantly by independent agents. They need to feel the public's breath on their necks. With this, ASUS and other tablet makers who want to charge you hundreds of dollars for stuff will have to watch their backs and provide a matching experience.

Your reasonings are the same ones in which Ponzi schemes, frauds and other kind of malignant economic phenomena are based: the sunken cost fallacy. "Since we've made an effort to buy this, shouldn't we try and make our purchase valuable by obscuring the shortcomings of our purchase? " No, because that diminishes the amount of information for the whole society, which weakems the efficiency of markets. The less transparent a market, the worse it works.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
Thanks for your help! I will try that as soon as I get home tonight.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rsarno:
Amen.

I have ZERO interest in returning mine. But I definitely feel like i am being shafted by a big company.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Well you got me on that one. With all the other posts I've seen from you, its hard to imagine you wrote that. But you do know even before you received your prime you was being negative towards it without putting it through its paces. for example that battery thread you made before anyone even received their Primes yet.

As far as Fanboi comment, I could care less. All I know is that I like my device and performs great. Even tested it against my Ipad and Prime is right on par or better, as far as wireless goes.

Amy post was aimed at those in general but if you think the shoe fits, then hey, what can I say ;)

regardless of what you say The op of this thread is utterly correct. People complaining about issues or launch has over did it. Even so, this is still considered the best Android tablet out now and will be for majority of 2012. That sacred CES event everyone was hyped about was basically a Major disappointment. 2012 is year for tegra3 devices andbthe Prime. All major reviewers still recommend Prime over Any Android tablet out now.

I never said The Prime was best tablet of all time. What I do know is its the best out right now and will be for at least next 4-5 months at earliest. So just because you made one good thread about Prime, doesn't negate all the negative assumptions you made even before getting the device. As from your thread you linked me to, you should've felt silly for assuming so many negative things. Cause once you got the actual device in hand, your thread showed it was a whole different story. lmfao

On another note, honestly, don't take anything what I said or others personally. Its really not like that. I look at this as like trash talking same as in people who have their favorite football teams or whatever. This is just a tech device. Nothing wrong with people voicing opinions if they dislike it or not satisfied. But to make a million threads on same issues by the same people is overkill.

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you always bring up Samsung...lol. their showing at CES was a fail at best ;) Oh, n those other chips you mentioned a while back that would be supposedly better than tegra3, was a fail also at CES. 2012 is the Year of The Tegra3. :p. those other tablets with other choosers was laggy n slow as a mofo ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I bring up Samsung because they're Android's only hope in gaining credibility against Apple. They have the resources, marketing skill, global distribution capabilities, and carrier partnerships to set the bar and move large quantities of devices. Compare the hotly sought after Galaxy Nexus worldwide launch to that of Asus' two tablet launches. Getting a product out the door, in one piece, and in sufficient quantities isn't rocket science.

You make it sound like anything not announced at CES is doomed to wait until next year when it comes around again. MWC is February 27th and devoted exclusively to mobile devices. The timing of new product announcements is less important than their delivery. The Prime was announced, what, like seven months ago? Apple's products are typically available 30-45 days after they're announced. Hopefully Samsung’s decided to follow a similar model. The iPad3 is (reportedly) in production and the Samsung 11.6 should be announced around MWC, both with revolutionary displays, processors, and GPUs. Assuming they're both released in the March/April timeframe, and Asus' own TF700 follows soon after, the "advances" of the Prime won't look so advanced. I’m not saying at $499 it still won’t be a value-leader, but your positioning of it as the undisputed “top tablet” for most of 2012 is a bit shortsighted and way too early to call with it being only January.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
Dude, people like you just don't get it and never will !

It's not a question of whether or not a Tablet needs GPS or using wifi to get a fix that GPS alone, should be getting ! Yes the Prime is a great device and I own 2 other Asus products, a laptop and a netbook, how many Asus products do you own.

The fact of the matter is Asus advertised GPS, not Limited GPS or So-So GPS , but as I understood it , a fully functioning GPS device. I have a Droid Charge , which delivers superior GPS capability's, but that does not let Asus off the hook for:

1. Not testing the Prime thoroughly enough before releasing and

2. False advertising

Put it to you this way. If you bought a new car, that advertised built-in GPS and got home and loved the car, but the GPS didn't work as advertised, would you be happy if the manufacturer told you, "Well, it really only has limited GPS capability's and if you need better, go buy yourself a freakin' Garmin !..................period, end of report !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] franky_402:
I use the app called wifi tether on my evo3d its got a yellow wifi icon had zero problems for me.. almost positive its in the market

Sent from my rooted TF201

EDIT** Ive also uploaded the apk for the app im currently using on my phone, try it hopefully it works for you... Ive tethered to my laptop, wii, hc tfp, ics tfp and multiple other devices without faults!!

This app turns your phone into a router and will broadcast a standard wpa2 connection that any device should see and connect to
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
Thanks for your help but im not sure this app will work on a windows phone. I have tp2 and iphone 4. Cant use iphone coz its work phone so im stuck with tp2.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Galaxy nexus launch wasn't even all that. Ill take a Prime over that anyday. Galaxy nexus wasn't considered by major tech sites reviewing it to be the best android phone ever. The Prime was considered best Android tablet period by all major reviewers. Samsung is cool but isn't doing anything innovating or new. Asus is. Plus Samsung ports on their devices sux. Only good devices I like from them is Galaxy Note, which I might get. And the Galaxy tab 7.7, which is the best out of all Samsung tablets. Plus they price their tablets too high for old outdated hardware n features.

Samsung is not the key to Android success against Apple. New fresh look on tablets and innovating new features is what will. Asus seems to get this. Before Prime, the original transformer was considered the best Android tablet. It was an underground hit and won many awards for innovation and its dock feature. Samsung hasn't been praised for anything other than the display. By which Prime has taken that crown now also. Touch wiz over top of Android makes it laggy as all articles I've seen really wish Samsung would get rid of it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] franky_402:
Gotcha, forgot about that...best I can say is look for a tethering app that doesn't use an ad-hoc connection (direct computer to computer connection). If all else fails Google is your friend.

Sent from my rooted TF201
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
try out wireless tethering app for win mo. I think an xda member made it. I have it on my old tilt2. It might just work. If not then the BT route to tether like I mentioned before.

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This doesn't work on Atrix4g. just tried it, again. I think me n lock n load tried every beta version there is with no luck.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Please read the OP and my other posts again. You did not understand it.

And dont use that kind of language!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Oh please stop making such comments if you have no idea how this stuff works...Those are totally different architectures which are not comparable.

Btw: not sure what you are doing wrong, but my GTA III runs at least at 30fps - constantly.

How often do we need to quote that article describing why Android can't be as smooth as iOS?

Why aren't you getting off this forum, I thought you sold your Prime like 20 times now? Just get your iPad...:rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I have never talked about selling my Prime even once. I had mine exchanged because the keyboard did not work at all. And why would I want an iPad? It is not a better device for me, but I would recommend an iPad to friends and family who are not tech-savvy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] franky_402:
I don't know if this helps but it didn't work immediately for me either, for me I had to select my device from the list and also had to enable the routing fix for it to actually work...its worth a shot at least

Sent from my rooted TF201
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mikevipe:
diamondback, are you kidding me? Do you know the definition of reputation?

Definition of REPUTATION

1

a : overall quality or character as seen or judged by people in general

ASUS deserves every bit of heat they are receiving. You want to know the prime has so many issues? ASUS wanted to rush to be the makers of the first commercial quad core tablet. Their GREED for speed shows in their product.

I am sorry if you do not have the balls to stand up and fight for your rights as a consumer but rest asured the rest of us got your back.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Then you don't understand the GPS issue and the fact that EVERY Prime probably shipped with a defective GPS.

Unless you test it you can't say it works properly, and you haven't tested it.

You are the 3rd person I've seen post that inanity in this thread. Frankly, I expect more intelligent posting on XDA, and less "I haven't tested it but it works fine for me, herp derp" idiocy.

If you haven't gone for a drive with WiFi off and GPS on, you have no idea if your GPS works or not, so please do try not to make yourself look like a complete clod by posting that your GPS works if you haven't tested it properly.

And I might add that the OP completely missed the straw that broke the camel's back WRT Asus handling of the issues surrounding the Prime's release.

GPS used to be listed on the USA spec sheet. When people started complaining that the GPS didn't work, Asus said NOTHING, but promptly pulled the GPS listing from the Prime's spec sheet.

That disingenuous (even dishonest) move is what caused the social media ****storm, and rightly so.

So OP, you don't have a leg to stand on. You are just another sheep waiting to be fleeced again by the next company that markets a product and doesn't deliver what they promised.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] petebiggs:
I'm sorry, but the OP is bunkum, frankly. Asus clearly have major quality control issues with this tablet - such a high proportion are faulty. They deserve all the bad rep they get.

The Prime I'm returning has a 'speck' of light bleed in the centre of the screen - this is not a dead pixel, it's more like a small white fleck, the size of perhaps 4 or 5 pixels.

It also has an air or fluid 'bubble' under the screen.

This kind of stuff should have been checked in the factory. You don't seem to get iPads with these faults, presumably because Apple make sure everything is thoroughly checked.

I still want a Prime, it's a lovely tablet, but I want one that works properly!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
To OP,

I do agree with you at some points, but think about the other side for the moment.

Why do they (start) hate ASUS and/or the Prime?

Of course, because of those many issues, including ones that CANNOT be fixed by software (read: non-functioning GPS and weak WiFi).

Remember that, those are problems which cannot be fixed by software, as ASUS admitted their design flaw (metal back plate issue).

And see, there is no change on that, nothing. Prime will still be sold as it is, except ASUS might simply remove the GPS reference. And that's it.

Then what? New users, bought a Prime, found the non-functioning GPS, or weak WiFi. Back to the "existing" problem again.

So, ASUS does not help them-self.

Those kind of users will be pissed and angry and continue the hate campaign.

Again and again and again.

I don't know, I wish ASUS just discontinue the current Prime and start a new model with fixed back plate. Remove the GPS completely from the start (ala iPad) and fix the weak WiFi. This will help ASUS.

Other than that, I am not sure. Because the current Prime has not been changed. It started with "problems", problems which were admitted by ASUS and cannot be fixed by software. So, the problems are still there, still exists, you cannot expect new buyers simply "ignore" those problems!

I cannot explain in good english, but I hope you do understand my points.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Fair enough. good rebuttal. Glad we can come to an understanding ;) The Prime is the first of the next generation. So any step forward for Android to get closer to Apple is better than none.

Main thing is Androids problem is not hardware related. Ipad1 & 2 has less specs than most Android tablets. Yet they perform so well. Why? easily, apple has got the software portion down packed. Everything is so well integrated. The software makes the most out of its hardware. This is really where Android needs to start excelling at. Throwing beefier n beefier hardware specs won't do anything. What good is having a super powerful tablet if the software is still a few generations behind still trying to catch up to dual core technology. Plus apple has way more tablet only apps. If Android can optimize software even more or completely rewrite somehow, then Android could easily beat Apple as Android devices do alot more right out the box. Software is key to this whole tablet war. Big hardware specs is cool, but its the software that really makes the experience either good, bad, or great. I like my Ipad but there is more potential in the Prime and Android. We have to remember though, potential don't mean jack if its not properly put to use or exploited.

Software optimization integrated with hardware is Key to Android winning the war. Without it, Android will always be behind.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stephen44:
I can see both sides to this...my thought is that I hope it sends a message to the whole industry in general -

that you can't rush a product to market to make "Christmas sales" goals

that better QA is necessary

that initial review sites need to do a better job & fully test the devices and not try to be 'first to press'

that a company representative talking about the issues on the forums - helps both the company and the consumer.

I do wonder though - if the "total of the bad feeling" will not outweigh the sales they did and will actually get - it is a small minority that read the tech pages here and elsewhere. - I do hope this is not the case of it being a 'numbers' game.