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[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Well, the more I think about it, the least skeptical I become. All in all I think that after releasing quadcores the spec race will take a hit: once that people get on their phones the same hardware they have on their pcs and possibly gaming machines more powerful than dedicated consoles Android will necessarily have to "optimize" itself, and WP7 is already ahead on that side of the game. Also, probably quadcores won't be able to create the same hype of duals: we had single core phones since the beginning, now after not even a year of duals we get quads, sure as hell it won't be the same. All that Android had was the freedom given to OEMs to push as far as they could, but now the "limit" is almost reached, therefore one of the strongest selling points of Android (and one of the biggest reason of its appeal among geeks), ground breaking hardware, will be put aside. Android's success is probably something more volatile compared to e.g. the one of Apple: it's more like the fashion of the moment, it's just a "side project" for Google, OEMs choose it as main platform because right here and right now it sells well, but when it will stop selling they'll leave it in the dust, and Google won't be throwing money on it like there's no tomorrow. Microsoft instead is a huge name, and won't leave WP7 because being on the mobile scene is too important for them, and their name will take a massive hit if they fail.

If there's something true in what analysts say, and every OS goes down after reaching its peak, then Android's peak is just around the corner, and WP7 will be able to rise in the exact same moment. IMHO it will be hard for Android to endure a "low" moment, while instead Apple and Microsoft will always survive because they are real companies, they're not living on the work of others, not that much at least: OEMs when working on this platform have to rebuild the OS in order to make it usable and suitable to hardware.

I might get flamed hard on this one, but I still wanna say it: Android as a whole doesn't even exist, Android is the work of many OEM busy pursuing a trend, and once the trend will get less "trendy" it will become again a "second choice OS".

Now that's being very optimistic about WP7, I'll have to admit it, hehe...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
I you weren't a bit optimistic about WP7 you would not have one ;)

Btw I approve everything you said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fallenmonk:
I got the titan this month and i am very impressed. WP7 is refreshing and fluid. High spec phones do not bother me. I'm so happy i stuck with M.S after deciding to replace my Hd2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
Yea dude, everytime I turn my Titan on it just feels ... good :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Here is my analysis

What drives people to a phone

Is it sexy? Looks is paradoxical because despite beauty being in the eyes of the beholder, some devices are universally accepted as beautiful. To create a phone that will visually wow people is not an easy task. This is where the iPhone succeeds so well. This is what the Lumia has going for it, if it was not for some other factors undermining it (more on that).

What keeps people using a phone

Does it work? So you sculpted your masterpiece of a phone out of the finest materials and you are watching people line up, eager at the chance of bringing your creation home. Now, you have to make sure they do not bring it right back to you frustrated and dissatisfied. You have to make sure that it does the basics well. Users need to be able to reliably use the product. That means call reliability, and build quality. No one wants calls dropping, buttons falling off, or freezing.

What makes people addicted

Can it do everything? Phones seem so basic in the 2002. Hello and goodbye were enough for us. Now, we need to say that to a relative using their computer over Skype using the latest video calling feature. The cellphone has become the ultimate convergent device and people want their smartphones to make their life better, whether it is to check an account balance, find directions to a restaurant, count the steps walked in the park, or listen to a fart joke. The more glued the user is to the screen of the phone, the more the phone becomes indispensable. Makes you wonder about the Windows phone tagline "Get in, get out, get on with your life" and its place in our culture now.

Now just some comments to wrap this whole thing up.

I would not get too caught up in what little Tango and Apollo are bringing to the table. The ecosystem needs more apps, features, and phones. The Lumia may end up being a victim of being ahead of the platform. The Lumia 900 has all the key features that the 800 lacked, but Windows Phone is not ready for mass appeal. This needs to change quickly.

150,000 apps by year end.

30 new phones with more phones on more carriers.

Windows Phone does not need quad core, 16MP, BT file transfer, file manager, or memory card slot. It just needs to do what most people need it to and sadly it does not right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] J101:
I got a WP7 device from a friend with the idea of doing some development and giving it a try. I've had an iPhone, and am currently using an Android. Immediately I started researching how the services I use most will behave on WP7. The results of which have kept my WP7 device as dev only for now:

1. There are outstanding issues on technet dealing with Google email, calendar, and contacts sync. Until these are fully resolved, I will not recommend WP7 to friends or family using Google services. Perfect two way contact and calendar sync is how I justify owning a smart phone.

2. No Pandora application. Yes the website will work, and I still don't understand what's taking Pandora so long to develop their ap.

3. Screens are too low resolution. The bigger they get with small resolution, the worse internet browsing looks.

4. Limited API or built in functionality to sync ICS calendar files to the built in calendar. All of the "solutions" I've seen are one time imports.

The upcoming year of MS roadmaps could potentially end up with quite a bit of fragmentation between Metro devices. Windows 8 will drop this year and their Metro apps are Windows 8 only. Windows 8 for tablets will drop this year and even though many will be on ARM chips like phones, may not even be capable of running WP7 apps. All existing WP7 phones...do they jump to WP8 to fix this fragmentation? Not likely. But hopefully things go better than this - because I want Metro to succeed and want more developers building Metro apps without the headache of multiple codebases.

Take it with a grain of salt. I'm just an XDA reader who devs at work and would love to be using a WP7 device if it met my needs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nitro_123:
Excellent points made by the OP. i agree with everyone of them.

I think WP7 needs some time, after that everything will catch up :)

But they better implement some higher res screens. 4.7 inches and 800X480+ not so good
[Windows Phone 7 General] speedfreak228:
I use google for my contacts and have never had a problem. My titan screen looks fine. The resolution doesn't bother me like I thought it would coming from my iPhone 4
[Windows Phone 7 General] pzo:
I dont care bout the dual core and stuff, its insignificant for a phone to me..

i dont like the way android become right now, too messy. i like the slick and smart interface of wp7.

i am win mobile user before i switch to wp7 (Radar), in fact i still spare my omnia 2 since its more reliable for my entertainment, gps and such.

WP7 is made out from scratch, all the good thing in win mobile is no longer there. even the basic thing,

no sim toolkit, cant transfer file by usb mass storage means, usually do not have external memory capability, Marketplace which is only available to certain region, and at certain region (like me in Malaysia) you cannot even buy any apps or game. this is actually very lame and big drawback to microsoft.

They should really working on their consumer. Having 10000000 of apps in market place is meaningless if you cant even buy it.

Other than that, WP7 is beautiful and nice phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Curious what is wrong with the Google sync?

Regarding Pandora, I don't know what the hell their problem is. Maybe Microsoft pissed them off early on. There are some unofficial Pandora apps like MetroRadio and Radio Controlled that work nicely. Occasionally Pandora will change something and break them, but they are typically extremely quick to get an update out when that happens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruddevil:
Hardware war is only relevant between Android devices, and perhaps for the tech geeks. Although I have to admit it is an easy marketing gimmick, it needs to be made relevant. Regular Android or iOS users who don't know WP7, upon seeing the WP7, would think it's an Android with a 'special' UX customization and multiple core processor for its smoothness. When I told them it's a Windows Phone with only a 1 GHz single core, they would like 'really, this smooth?' and 'isn't Windows smartphone the slowest in the world?'. (The last one is another thing which would be fixed over time: reputation.) I can tell you about this since it happened several times with me and my Omnia 7. I converted most of them (the ones that didn't would download an Android app to convert their home screen UI) and it's easy because WP7 is that good! If it's easy for me, it should be for everybody, including MS and all their partners. Getting people to understand 'more cores does not always equal smooth UX experience' is important. Don't forget the 'get things done faster'. It sells well too. I sincerely hope Nokia marketing will do WP reputation justice.

Is WP too late? No, I don't think WP is late. It is relevant in its own right, the UX effectiveness. I think it is the leader now in that particular element. This is the core feature which will be and is already adopted in other MS products. The seamless integration with all MS products (Windows 8, XBOX, cloud services, etc.) is the one to watch over. Is it going to be make or break year, yes. Do I have to worry now, no. I have a feeling this is going to be an enjoyable ride.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
I don't think Windows Phone is late AT ALL!

Late for what?

Late for inventing a new UI (that others can copy?)

Late for integrating interfaces?

Late for making phones work smooth without chunky hardwares?

Late for inventing UI that doesn't eat my batter?

Late for giving Xbox on my phone?

Late for giving Zune integration on my phone?

Late for giving Skype integration on my phone?

All that to me is new. You are never late for doing something new.

I might not be any tech-guru but in this field of technology, there is never anything as 'late'. Things are ever adapting, ever growing, ever changing, ever inventing!

What Microsoft has done from my perspective is - act like a leader again, once again yes - like in the PC days, when no one knew who the f*^& apple was! Leader like the days in mobile PC where it showed the world that mobile does more than phone and next. Like the time it did with XBOX. Then came along others like apple and google - yes they did it better than what Microsoft had before. They earned plenty of money - but Microsoft gets money for each patent anyway. Microsoft waited too long yes, it could have responded earlier.

But after that long wait for 5-6 years when Apple kicked ass, Microsoft yet again came with something NEW! Something that Apple could not think of for their atleast 6 versions of phone. Google din't think of for it's at least 6 versions of OS. - innovation, is what change Apple's game. That will change Microsofts.

Come on dudes, admit it - you notice a girl by it's look. Microsoft might have created a girl who doesn't know to seduce by salsa, but this girl looks hot! May be you are used to the girl driving you home and girl doing stuff, but this hot girl isn't late! It's never late! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Totally agree with the OP. I would also love Microsoft to proceed the way Apple does: "this update/phone" will be available within a week. There are customers who get excited about a device then go for something else when they're tired of waiting. The Lumia 900 being announced last week should have been available this week. Likewise it took 8 months for Mango to go from annoucement to market. Way too long.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
Blueballing's the way Microsoft operates.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Can you please provide a link to the google sync issues? I sync with google fine with my LG Quantum, so maybe I'm doing something differently to make this work and I can post there.

There are 2 Pandora apps that work great. They aren't created by Pandora, but all of the funtionality is there. MetroRadio and Radio Controlled that also gives you links to buy the music and lets you see the upcoming songs.

Internet browsing looks fine on my Quantum. Granted it's not a huge screen and I don't do alot of browsing with it. I don't think most users do alot of browsing. It's nice when you are away form your computer and you want to looks something up. But, even on the larger screen models, it is not as good as a tablet or computer. At home, my laptop is always on and at work as a software engineer, I am always in front of my computer. Most adults older than college age, spend the majority of their time at work, at home, or commuting to and from work. And in America that commute for most involves driving. Browsing on your phone is really just a convenience for the times when you don't have something better to access the internet with.

I'd really like to know how common ICS calendar usage is by people on their phones. I synch with exchange at work. I get meeting invites and accept them. I know it's different, but I have never had a need to use ICS on my phone and I always considered myself to be more in th phone geek group that a common user.

So, as far as the roadmap, I don't see any of those 4 as issues for anyone that I know.

Hope there isn't the fragmentation with the tablets version of Windows 8, but it would not surprise me. Where I work, we are in the process of rearchitecting our intranet based app to add better support for tablets. Because of the different capablities of phones vs tablets vs a desktop, we are considering having 3 independant user interfaces which share common business logic and data storage.

tablets - portable, large screen, no mouse, support touch interface, probably has a camera. Pointing the camera anywhere is easy.

desktop/ laptop - semi portable.large screen, mouse, no touch interface, camera is possible, but not easily postioned

phone - very portable, small screen, no mouse, support touch interface, probably has a camera. Pointing the camera anywhere is easy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] J101:
Did some quick digging and came up fairly empty on technet. Here's an issue with WP7 users having to turn on "accept invites" to have events sync properly with google: https://groups.google.com/a/googleproductforums.com/forum/#!category-topic/calendar/syncing-my-calendar/iBM5ty1QC-8 Other issues I've read about included *Contacts with custom fields not syncing to WP7, *Performing a workaround to get shared calendars working. Based on my lack of ability to find this stuff, I think I'm going to give the device a try (at least here on the Wi-Fi).

Not official, but that will work. Thanks for the heads up!

I spend all day in front of a computer writing code. When I'm away from work, I rarely sit in front of a computer anymore. Having an iPhone or an Android device has meant I still get access to news, forums, email, etc. without having to sit in front of computer monitors some more (gotta get some sun sometime!).

All that monitor time does bad stuff to your eyes - so cleaner, crisper displays help when you're looking at a 4.5-4.7 inch display. I've compared my Infuse 4G to my HTC Titan and there's just enough loss of clarity on the Titan to make me keep browsing on the Infuse. The Titan screen itself though is brighter and the Metro UI helps quite a bit in keeping things easy to read though.

It's probably just about nil - but I use it. iPhone has the functionality built in (since version 3 or prior) and Android does it well using a third party app. WP7 doesn't even have the public APIs to have your app be a source of calendar events.

That's good to hear from another technical/dev? person. I sat through a review of the changes to XAML announced at BUILD and kept seeing 3 different targets for Metro developers: WP7, Windows 8, and Silverlight... all just different enough to have to write different UI code. It seems like Apple and Google have better approaches to writing one app and having it work across phone/tablet... I don't want M$ missing this boat. :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] KimWinter:
I agree with everything that nicksti wrote. Not everyone is a spec whore or a hacker, or a developer who wants an unlocked phone they could fiddle with. Most enduser would rather buy a phone with a stable and very smooth operating system. Almost all Android users I've met would gawk at iPhones and yes, the only reason they have an Android is because they can't afford an iPhone. Everybody wants a sexy phone with a fantastic UI and operating system - that is why the iPhone became so successful: It looked and felt amazing; in fact it became more than just a product, it became a status symbol. Forget the fact that my phone has quad core or 1GB memory, if it doesn't have the Apple logo at the back then it ain't cool.

Now, WP7 has a chance to do exactly that. I remember the first time I took my DVP in my office and they were like, "Woah, what is that?" It is undeniable that the WP7 UI just exudes simplistic elegance. It's one very "hot" phone. Couple with the fact that WP7 phones are a rarity...well, you get the picture.

Android is that hot emo, goth, punk girl who likes to accessorize, iPhone is that sexy and beautiful "it" girl who drives a Ferrari to school (LOL), and WP7 is that gorgeous, quiet, and elegant rich girl where everyone is afraid or ashamed to ask out on a date.
[Windows Phone 7 General] myfocusw7:
If MS doesn't want to play catchup game with iOS/Android then it should have ideally skipped Tango and gone straight to Apollo.

Also with the a motto like "Put People First" I really hope MS brings along some of the basic features that are missing(read bluetooth transfer,mass storage) from this fantastic UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dragonide:
I understand bluetooth transfer is important to some people, but I tell the truth when I say I used that 'function' twice in my entire life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
Well said, sir. You are EXACTLY right.

Microsoft is heading in the right direction. I agree it's frustrating to not have dual and quad core phones, and that Xbox Integration can and should be more. But to say it's "just a gimmick...with a lame avatar" is nonsense. We get gamerscore on all the official Xbox Live games, and that's a good thing. Sure, I'd like to see, say, PS Vita quality graphics, and I think we'll get there, probably when Windows Phone 8 hits. It's only a shame they don't offer a slide out controller option :)

When it comes to the OS though, it's ridiculous to claim it's "an iphone wannabe;" WP7 is superior to iPhone in so many ways it's just silly. The fact that a single core WP7 device is faster than a dual core iPhone tells you a lot :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
That's 2 more times than me.

I can see in regions of the world where WiFi is not everywhere and internet access is limited or not as common.

But, in the U.S.A. I get 3G access in the middle of the woods deer hunting. I also get 3G on Lake Michigan 5 miles from shore salmon fishing. WiFi in every McDonalds, Starbucks, and Caribou Coffee. Heck, the Ford Dealership by my house even gives away WiFi for free in the lobby.

For high res, it's easy to send through an email or a link through SkyDrive.

What they do need to do is let you share video more easily.

For videos that you take, it's not too difficult, but should be easier. Go to camera roll, select video. Share with SkyDrive. Now you don't have a way to share it with anyone from here. It went to Mobile Uploads,. Now launch the SkyDrive app. You can share a link from the mobile uploads and send it through email. Not sure if it can be done through SMS if a SIM is in, but I don't have SMS as an option.

Note, videos that you imported through Zune cannot be shared this way, unless you uploaded them to SkyDrive from your computer.

To me better access to the content on the phone for sky drive is more important than Blue Tooth file transfers. Beauty is with this, that I can share an album. I can start uploading, and finish uploading long after we have both gone home. They can get the rest as they get uploaded. With Blutooth, 30 feet and your connection is done.

BT file transfer to me is outdated. It's what replaced IR filetransfer when that became outdated.

3G, 4G, and WiFi are here. And SkyDrive provides a better link for the transfer. It just needs better access to the files the users put there and better sharing integration.

For the areas that have limited WiFi and data access, they may add this. Otherwise, I don't see it on the roadmap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] myfocusw7:
As I said in the other also, I feel that Bluetooth feature might just pop up in WP7 considering that Nokia is a big player in the Indian Market and in India if You dont have Bluetooth transfer or even Mass Storage feature then you might sound like having a silly(stupid) fone and thats the truth:p

It has happened with me where my friends who where first wowed by the UI where completely taken aback when told that these basic features are missing:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister1:
Dual Cores I have to say suck up too much battery life and WP is just fine without them further more I could care less for XBOX or games okay so the 2% of the general public doesn't use Bluetooth but what about the rest of the 99.8% that do? Every other phone has this feature except for WP and as has been stated has been around since like the 90's so any modern phone without a feature that has been available for that long should not be considered a smart phone but the again that's just my opinion. I know some of you get tired of hearing complaints against WP's functionality but what did you expect that most of us coming from WM were use to having these feature available as we use such things like being able to directly sync with Outlook via USB or browsing our folders and even Bluetooth; Microsoft took that away almost instantly. The reason people compare WP to the iPhone is because Microsoft themselves have admitted to taking the Apple approach.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
If they wanna add it I don't mind, I just don't see it as a deal breaker. I mean the lack of mass storage could be seen as such, but seriously...99,8% of the people using Bluetooth for sending each other files? Really? What about those millions of people using an iPhone? Aren't those human beings as well?
[Windows Phone 7 General] carfreak715:
I'll be completely honest. If they release a WP device on Big Red that has an SD card slot, then I'm sold. 16GB of internal memory just isn't enough for me. Put in an SD Card slot that supports up to 32gb, then I'd throw my DROID X out the window and pick up a Windows Phone. (I'm even using Launcher 7 ATM)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
So you are saying a 25gb free Skydrive account that you can stream music off of via a certain app in the marketplace isn't good enough for you?

(granted it's a little complicated to set up but it's getting there)