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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Asus admitted to backplate being a "Major contributor" to GPS issue only. Plus wifi is not a widespread issue as more than enough have testified here on the forum to. Also, Asus never admitted issues couldn't be fixed with software. Instead they said they will continue to release updates to remedy the issues as much as possible. As evidence from update last night for GPS. Several people n threads started already claiming how much GPS n wifi has improved. Some even driving around holding locks now. Some who never seen 1 satellite n lock now sees several n locks on them. So as updates have been showing, software can be beneficial and can fix the issues as much as possible.

So we need to get facts straight on what Asus actually admitted to and what they said they plan to do in future to further support the Prime. Not even a full month yet n we already had like 3-4 updates n such. We already have ICS first out of any tablet. So Asus is at least trying to say the least. No other company pushes out updates as much or as fast as Asus. That's why they loved so much Android adopters n developers.

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Prime is still most sought after Android tablet and still selling out like crazy online. Just look at all the new owners we have here in the Prime section just recently. The issues are important but doesn't seem to be effecting the sales of the device. More n more people looking past negatives n see potential in Prime and know not all devices affected. If people want to bring up GPS, then OK. But remember, most people don't even care about GPS as evident from sales of Ipad wifi only version. which is the biggest seller by far. GPS has a small niche community who that feature matters to most.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RickoT:
I am generally not one to get involved in a post like this, however, after reading some of the stuff posted on this thread I felt the need to add my 2c.

1. OP, I agree with you 100%. But this is the problem with the internet being so vast as it is today. Everyone has a voice, and everyone wants to use it.

There is nothing wrong with using your voice, but some people just think and feel it is their right and privilege to complain about everything that is wrong without giving it a second thought. No one thinks about the effects of their actions or rants, just that they are putting it out there for all to see.

The fact is that over 30% of manufactured electronics (phones, tablets, PC's ect.) are defective. That statistic has nothing to do with design flaw or anything like that, usually its a manufacturing problem, bad OS load, ect.

Instead of acting like a 5 year old and screaming "I hate ASUS" at the top of your lungs, be a responsible consumer. Report your issue to ASUS, wait for a fix. Or return the product and get something else. Flaming ASUS every chance you get for something they are working to fix is only going to end up in reduced support for a product that no one buys due to a few flaws that were blown way out of proportion.

Now, all that being said, I should also point out that I am not an "ASUS Fanboy" I feel this applies to pretty much anything. Services, products, hardware, software, ect. I will admit that I have written my ranty blog entries. but I also don't write hate reviews every chance I get.

I love my Prime. I have ZERO WiFi issues even sitting across the house (Wireless N DIR655 D-Link Router). My signal shows low but I get good speeds on it. I have not tested Bluetooth or GPS on it so I cannot say much about that. And I do get the reboot on occasion. BUT I know ASUS is working on these things, so short of having a temper tantrum on the internet, all I can do is return it or wait it out.

I can honestly say the only issue that truly bugs me is the Micro SD Card Slot issue, as a matter of fact I even destroyed a good SD card trying to file it down to make it fit. But you don't see me on here screaming about how much I hate ASUS and they suck and all that garbage. Truthfully when I saw there were official ASUS threads on here I was excited because that to me says that they take customer service serious enough to work directly with their most dedicated customers, us.

So the next time you want to get all cranky at someone who is working with you to resolve a problem, maybe you should re-think about biting the hand that's feeding you before they withdraw that hand and stop trying to help us at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
Agreed... but in a few minutes, youll hear from the ones you got perfect primes putting their 2 cents in.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Actually Anand said the Prime wifi on par with OG transformer. Remember he did an initial wifi test ..then did it again with a new device n more thorough test. you picking n choosing info to use..lol.

But what did Anand still say in the end? lol He recommends Prime over any other Android tablet as there's none that come even close to it all around ;)

edit: OK, I read your whole post. Nice try but no cigar. You seem to now endorse the same ideals as people with defective devices, that everyone else device must be broke since mines is. The majority outweighs and influences more than the minority. All wifi polls n most comments show in favor of Prime. You taking a small number of people n assuming their right. They always quick to say oh you not testing it right or oh you must be satisfied with defective device. NOoooooo, y'all ever sit back to think maybe youbdoing something wrong, or YOU don't know to test right. There has to be some reason why most users here who post or voted on wifi polls show no issues. Hmmmmmm...lmfao. y'all be killing me with all these false assumptions. GPS is the only admitted widespread issue from Asus. Anything else is very limited in number of people affected.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
We can go back and forth on this forever.

First, wifi performance is either sufficient for a person's use, or not. It's fine for mine, albeit benchmarks show it to be less. I can use it in my office and at home, in all locations where I can use other devices, and it performs as well for browsing, video, audio, etc.

Yes, it has worse wifi performance than some other tablets. But, my Epic 4G Touch has worse wifi performance than my Motorola Photon. Demonstrably and in all locations. It still works acceptably, and so I've chosen to ignore the benchmarks and go with my real-world experience. Same thing with the Prime. That doesn't make me "fat, dumb, and happy," a "fanboy," or anything else.

2. My Epic 4G Touch also cannot maintain adequate wifi bandwidth while streaming audio to my Bluetooth headset. Stream to Bluetooth, I can't browse the Web or do anything else over wifi. As has been stated, this is a problem with many devices; the Prime simply is not unique in this or, in my experience, markedly worse.

The GPS issue has been beaten to death. The bottom line is: if you want to use a tablet as a navigation device, don't get the Prime. ASUS agrees, which is why they've removed it from their marketing. They do need to account for people who bought before the GPS issue was widely known and acknowledged by ASUS, and in my opinion that's the one area where ASUS has fallen down completely.

The situation isn't optimal. Design compromises were made. Just like with the iPhone 4 and Antennagate, as with MacBook Pros and their atrocious heat dissipation characteristics which prompted Apple to add copy to their user manuals say they shouldn't be used as actual "laptops" because of the heat. As with my HP Envy 14 notebook that has an almost unusable trackpad because of poor software and design, and that's not been fixed in over a year.

I'm not defending ASUS here, except to say that although they screwed up, they're making efforts to fix things. However, all of this has been beaten to death, and yet people who have been here for months are STILL buying Primes with full knowledge of the issues and STILL coming here to *****. That's what I don't understand. Don't like the product, don't buy it, or return it, then get on with your life. It seems so simple to me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It's simple and it's not. The Prime hasn't been widely distributed yet for unknown reasons. Suppliers seem to be getting "hundreds" vs. the "thousands" they typically should be receiving 30 to 45 days after production's in full swing. Once it is on store shelves things will probably get worse than they are now. If Asus expects to sell a million Prime's, there's probably 900,000 people buying them that don't read XDA or do any research prior to purchase (shame on them). When they start playing with their shiny new Prime's they'll either be "fat, dumb, and happy" or, depending on their comparisons, unhappy as many here are. In other words, the inherent issues caused by the metal back aren't going to go away any time soon. If anything, that's why I'd guess Asus' is hustling to get the TF700 released as early in the year as possible. That way they can salvage what they can out of Prime sales and sales people can say "but for $100 more, you can have the good one over here." At least Asus won't lose sales to other $599 tablets that way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
You really need to go away from this "mine is broken so everyone else' is broken too" attitude.

This is just not true. My Primes Wifi is way better than my Desire HD ones.

The Desire HD is not expected to have broken Wifi btw.

It is just not true, that all Primes are the same.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
And one would wonder the ratio of how many manufactured primes to that of how many have been returned or exchanged?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Except, the only reason I know about any of these issues is because I visit this forum. I never did try out GPS on my original Transformer, so I have no idea if GPS works on it. So, I probably would never have tried it on my Prime. Wifi works fine on my Prime, with only benchmarks showing any deficiency. And as I noted I have the same wifi/BT issue on other devices so I doubt I would have singled put the Prime for this.

I have to wonder how many people would even notice these issues without having them beaten to death in a forum like this. Oh, and: would therefore be perfectly happy with the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Why wouldn't they be? Tolerances in production of electronic devices are normally pretty tight. A failure or deviation rate of anything higher than 5% is considered abysmal by the industry. And the reason for that isn't just keeping customers happy. Anything higher than that eats in to profits due to return costs, support, and repairs.

And why would differences between Prime's be any different than the differences between individual G-Tabs or other tablets? If what you're saying is in fact true, that's just another nail in Asus' design, production, and QC coffin.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Like I said before, I can count on one hand the same people rehashing same stuff..lol. You are clearly outnumbered here. you won't win against the masses. No matter how bad they try to make Prime look, people eventually see past it and make their own judgement. Which is usually to buy the device. Too many stories been told here in general section how at first people almost let the negative stuff influence their decision but in the end, they got device n was more than happy.

Good will Always Triumph over evil. The light will shine through the darkness. lol

XDA Prime Evangelist ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
very good point!

because we can actually see that not all are the same.

for example my GPS. it doesn't work at all. can't see a single satellite. not even one.

there are people with at least somehow working GPS.

same goes for all the other issues too...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
We aren't the masses and the success or failure of the Prime won't be determined by the few dozen people here. It's the other 900,000 that Asus hopes buy and keep the Prime that will determine its legacy and our railing and defense here doesn't really impact them.

And who's "good" and who's "evil" won't be determined for at least of couple of months. The Prime's been out less than 30 days (hard to believe) and is still way early in its life cycle. The fat lady's yet to sing. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junrider:
IF not all primes are the same... Why the hell would they have the same model number and specs. As for electronics, I would wish I was buying that operated as it should. If not all primes are the same, why bother having reviews about it when the functionality of the device is erratic and put a benchmark on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
This debate will never end. Regardless people will still by the Prime and I think that's what makes the defectors so angry. They can't influence the majority enough NOT to buy device.

No human or anything Man-made is perfect. Its a fact people have to accept. Go make a better tablet yourself than The Prime since some seem tl think to know so much about it and its flaws. lol

this debate actually kinda funny. You have Mr. Samsung himself n his crew of defectors going up against Team Prime. Team Prime is a movement that can't be stopped or slowed down.

I know deep down Barry wants a Prime very badly n just mad he can't get his hands on one ;) all this back n forth is crazy. We won't back down though.

edit: I mean as far as users on XDA who own a Prime
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
This was a highly anticipated tablet for the whole community. Asus knew this. Do you think it was correct to ship a product that wasn't fully tested and one with such a wait? Pre-orders sold out instantly. Lots of people wanted this tablet, a fully working tablet. Then to power on and see light bleed all over wasn't a good sign. After over looking that because of the excitement having a new tablet like this. Noticing the Wifi connection was by far sub-par for such a device. My phone got better results and speed. Hey, where did my vibrator go? This has a vibrator, right? Ok, forget all that...lets take this baby out on the road and GPS my friends house. Umm, I know there are satellites up there in the sky, why isn't this finding any. Hmmmm.

I know there were probably LOTS of people that had no issues with their Prime, but I myself had to return 2 of them to get one I could live with. Small areas of light bleed, OK Wifi connection, and semi working GPS. The vibrator did work, but that stopped working again. I won't return it for just that, since it is a real pain being a shipping/receiving company for this tablet. In time, if I feel like it I will process an in-warranty request for the vibrator.

Then, not only one month later a NEW Asus table still called the PRIME but with a different rear back place. Strange. I wonder why the back plate was changed? Boils down that the back plate was changed to incorporate plastic which is where the GPS/Wifi Antenna's are. Of course the original Prime owners feel screwed. How else are we to feel? If we are doing any "damage" to ourselves then so be it...we need to be heard so we aren't just passed along this way only to people with lots of money can buy the next version and not think twice. This has been a rough experience buying my first tablet and next time I will certainly NEVER buy a new version.

Do I like my tablet? Yes, I love it. I love the screen. I love the speed and all the things I can do with it. Works ok with my Mifi hotspot. It does what I want it to, but there is always that little lump in the back of my throat knowing I'm using a $500 tablet that was rushed out and may not be %100 or working order. I hope you understand where we are coming from.

Michael
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gr3ml!n:
Nice post... made an interesting read. With interesting responces.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] astralmind:
Thank you for making sense!

While *****ing and whinning won't solve a thing (and I certainly understand the OP in that regard), saying that "It's ok, not that bad etc.." is just playing dumb.

It's true that some people have issues that other don't. So just as not all Primes are glitch free, not all are bug ridden either.

Known popular issues so far:

- GPS useless (aknowledged but poorly handled)

- Weak Wifi

- Weak Bluetooth

- Bluetooth Wifi interference

- Defective bluetooth (not turning on)

- Serial # issue

- Screen tearing/flickering post ICS update

- Important light spill, bleeding

- Scuffs/glue residue, open box sold as new

- Defective hdmi out

- micro sd card not sitting flush resulting in lost sd cards

- Single speaker placement is bad

- Proprietary cable

Considering the sales have been limited due to the utterly crappy launch this is pretty damn scary.

And... I absolutely love my Prime. That doesn't change the fact that none of the above are acceptable.. and that's a long list for a premium product!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I hope you really don't think that's the case. I can only speak for myself and that's certainly not the way I feel. I do stongly feel that people have a right to make an informed decision and that's at the heart of a lot of the debate. I think that a bunch of people that are happy view their standards and expectations as universal which is never the case. Just as you're accusing others of trying to get people not to buy the Prime, doing the opposite knowing it may not be right for everyone is just as bad. It really isn't black and white.

The Prime offers a ton of features for $499 making it a teriffic value and the keyboard really makes it stand out against other tablets. People purchasing need to weigh the pros and cons as it applies only to

them

and then can decide if the Prime's the best choice for

them

.

I've had a dozen Android devices from LG, Samsung, HTC, and Motorola and am loyal to no manufacturer. Each time I replace a device I weigh my personal experience against what the latest discussion is on that manufacturers devices. If I end up happy, I say so. If I end up disappointed or frustrated, I say so. To me, none of this is personal, I've never felt the need to defend my purchase decisions, and I respect that everyone has different needs so I never try to second guess someone else's satisfaction or dissatisfaction.

What makes discussions about the Prime unique is that the manufacturer themselves has said there's a h/w design flaw that affects wireless performance and yet there are quite a few people hell bent on proving that's not the case. It's really rather fascinating and a study in human behaviour. There's a big difference between saying Wi-Fi is "just adequate" or "fine for me" and saying it's "good" or "comperable." Especially when all evidence and logic points to the opposite. Let the debate rage on... :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] scsurface1:
I LOVE MY PRIME!!! If you want to return it, return it. if you can return it, you probably shouldn't have kept it past the date to return it. If you got one that doesn't work, I am sorry. Why did it take you 14 days to figure that out.?????? I agree with the original post. Stop giving ASUS bad press. Get an Acer or Xoom or toshiba and start *****ing about them. Or you can go the boring route and get an IPAD 2. As I have said before, if you got this tablet for GPS, you are a MORON for paying $500. Get on ebay and get yourself a tom tom. There are plenty of us who love our primes and cant stand all the *****ing and moaning.

#sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Logseman:
I have read the whole thread. All I find is fallacies, corporate fellatio and a burning desire to score points with a corporation that doesn't know that you exist. I should be the one asking you not to use that language. However, I value openness and clearness in the messages that others try to covey. You would much rather have them filtered and (self) censored.

Thanks for proving once again the kin you belong to.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
What exactly was your problem again?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jfranco328:
I agree, another member on here that goes by wordlywidewiz posted a request to other FDA members requesting they hit up the Asus Facebook page and twitter asking to unlock the boot loader. Somehow that translated to lets slam Asus prime product reviews with the lowest score possible to make them listen. Quite sad actually. This was my response to his post:

Originally Posted by jfranco328

I am sure you are aware but in case you are not, customer reviews for the transformer prime on amazon have tanked significantly thanks to members protesting the locked bootloader. Is this fair to the casual user looking for a great tablet experience that isnt loaded with IOS? What are the chances that asus will aquire new customers after reading so many one star reviews simply because members here are not having their way with the boot loader? My question I guess is, how can we as members of the xda community fix the bad reputation we gave asus on customer review sites? Is it fair to Asus that all the one star reviews are comming from people that will most likely keep their transformer anway?

No this is not fair but it's out of my hands and I never encouraged them to do that
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Logseman:
My problem is that I don't swallow bull****, but you and many like you would want me to. I don't have a Transformer Prime nor am I interested in it: I just came to state a couple of points which may be of benefit to counter propaganda like the one you spread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Not sure what you are doing here then...:confused:

Did you take the wrong forum?

Troll cave is --> this way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
Right you only swallow....wait lets not go there.

I pay for clementines from Spain, not trolls....I may of called the wrong number. Anyways.... I don't want anything that is pointy...Especially near my back end. Can get a little scary right there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
ohhhh..no he didn't..lmfao. u opened the big can of worms on your last paragraph. very funny. I didn't know you were such a good comedian. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xxgmon3yxx:
Could not have said it any better. You're the truth!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
My best result so far is following the latest update, I got 12/14 satellites locked and 12m accuracy. That's outside of my house with wifi off (but probably retaining the last satellite info).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] royale192:
I wanted to also say thanks to the OP. I have a good running prime. Just like everyone else my gps goes not work. But thats not a major problem I knew when I bought the prime the issue's that may be in it. But over all it is still a very good tablet. I bought mine for 399 hhgregg sale. But I could have bought the Samsung 10.1 or another tablet. For me my tablet works fine. I say if ASUS will let all the Problem Tablets owners return them in the US just like the UK then they need to return there tablet and get something else.

We know ANY time we get a first generation of a New product there's bound to be problems. I have owned a G2X, Sensation, Pure, Tilt 2, Captivate, I went out first week and purchase most of my device's and had problems like everyone else. But I looked up and asked questioned so I could learn. Not degrade what we bought But find out how bad the problem may be and make an Adult decision if I wanted to keep it or move on. If all else fail's It may still be under warranty so have the Manufacture fix it. This is not a rant to start anything but just so we can look at what is being said. It hurts more by bad press, yes things may get done, but in the long run we make it harder for DEV to assist us if all we do is ***** about everything and cant be satisfied. Locked bootloader aside this Tablet can be great if we let ASUS and the DEV Community work out the kinks and MOVE forward.