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[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Honestly, i know exactly how refreshing it is to use a WP7 device coming from months of nerd raging, flashing and all sort of sufferings. Now i'm a 24/7 WP7 user and i feel fine with this, BUT: don't you ever phisically cringe whenever you have to plug your phone to a pc just in order to sideload an app? Ok, you shouldn't need that often, but what about multitasking? Don't you ever phisically cringe when you, for example, are using both the XDA App (painful to use on WP7 to say the least) and the browser, and when switching between the two you have to stare for a few seconds at a black loading screen before the XDA App reloads, generally wiping the text you just typed? What about having to pay in order to have a decent YouTube app on your phone? What about having to pay in order to have a decent gps navigation experience (unless you're on a Nokia device)? Both worlds are painful at some extent. Right now for my kind of usage it's way less painful to use a WP7 device, but you cannot expect that every single user will feel the same: we all have different needs.

On a side note, guess what kind of users are generally browsing XDA right now? I'll better take cover before another troll war starts rocking the topic...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ravensysteam:
Android's for customizing and hacking... out of the box, it's colorful bull****. If I would have to use TouchWiz or that LG-UI everyday, it would drive me insane!

I have a Samsung Omnia 7 (Stock ofc, but with some hacks e.g. tethering) , Samsung Galaxy SII (MIUI) and an Asus Eee Pad Transformer (revolver ROM). The device I use regularly is, as you might be able to guess, the Omnia 7.

The Transformer is only used as an E-Reader and for Movies (but it does that quite good!), the Galaxy SII is for flashing around and customizing. Not even music or anything on it, call me crazy :D

And my Windows Phone, well thats to actually get the work done. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Again the GN is pure android out of the box (unless it's from Verizon) and it works great. Since that's the phone mentioned in the OP I have to defend it. I would still rather buy a Lumia 900 or Focus S if they were sold in Europe but I can recognise ICS as a great OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
What is a "GN" ? Did he also sign a contract for a piece of hardware, or can he use whatever he finds on craigslist with his carrier ?

Apparently there are wp devices being sold, I see one or two a week on my local craigslist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
How convenient, Zee can't answer his lies in the Q&A forum, so he comes here for confirmations.

Smh, i tested my Nexus S against a Focus S, and my Nexus S running stock ICS not modded in anyway was smoother at everything. Shocking! ICS is really astonishing.

Also the 720p display on the GN is forcing the GPU to work 2.4x harder.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
I've seen a lot of reviews of gn and haven't seen any lag. Are you sure it was the Samsung galaxy nexus ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/16/galaxy-nexus-users-plagued-by-random-reboots/

This was posted 6 minutes before your post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
A lot of people don't mention the GN's lag because they're comparing it to other android phones. 3 or 4 years in and google still can't create a gpu accelerated UI? Tragic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Focus S against Nexus S? kidding me?

Do a Nexus S vs Titan.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
He also mentioned android's new hardware accelerated UI in the other thread -_-... At the rate they're going, that'll be coming around when they're running through the alphabet for names a second time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The Galaxy Nexus is amazing. Its smooth and the UI is incredible. I absolutely love the face that it has soft.buttons, and they made multitasking amazing in it.

But I cannot use a phone that big, ever. Its truly huge. Also the camera leaves something to be desired.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Does that really matter? I don't think that the additional 100 MHz packed by the Titan would matter that much. Anyway, be it smooth or not in the UI, it's quite sure the Nexus S won't be as consistent as a WP7 device (regardless the hardware) in terms of smoothness throughout all the OS and especially when using third party apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Answer Android UI is hardware accelerates. Why does Z need to tell Android shards to validate his choice of Windows Phone?

Polly gonna go in carrier stores play more tomorrow abduction thwarting Windows probes are thwarting only ones I'm sure I won't touch because if you have a first gen device there's almost no reason ti buy a new one anyways.

Played with all the AT&T new Windows phones. They didn't incite or when interest me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
The OP is talking about lags and having to root to make it better, your post is about the size and camera....troll much?

EDIT: he changed his post right quick!
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Even most android fanboys aren't lying about the addition of hardware acceleration.

While I'm happy with my Lumia 800 and focus flash (titan broke, damn HTC and their crappy build quality) perhaps you should wait for the lumia 900. I wish I could've gotten some hands on time with that marvel of cellular technology at CES.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It is hardware accellerated. Stop living in 2010.

The UI latency you keep bringing up is invisible to most consumers and really, I didn't notice it when I spent over an hour in every carrier store Saturday morning/afternoon and played with the Galaxy Nexus. The UI is amazing, and it's smooth as hell. It also has 32GB internal storage and treats it the same as WP7 and iOS (everything on the same storage, no more small App partitions). It's an amazing device. I just think it's too damn big. Updates come way faster to the Galaxy Nexus than to any Windows Phone. With Android having a good UI now, I'm actually considering getting that device (I had sort of sworn off of it after the Vibrant, which is why I got the HD7). Android 4.0 has Native MTP support as well, which negates the need for USB MS as the device can sync natively to Windows Media Player (Music, Podcasts, Pictures, Video) - something not even WP7 can do (needs a redundant app for that). That has always been a negative for Android, but it's gone now...

The Lumia 900 will have the same crappy hardware as basically every other Mango device, it will just be huge, use a now "getting kind of old/overused" design, and have LTE - which isn't even available to most people here (so waste battery life for a capability that isn't possible to use, thanks but no thanks). It will even still have a WVGA resolution in a qHD and (becoming) 720p world, which looked terrible as all hell on the Titan screen when I played with it (made the Focus Flash screen look like a Retina Display by comparison).

The main issue is the OS, the device builds are not top notch but that's a different beast. The OS has grown boring to me, and I will be forced to carry 3 devices if I continue to use WP7. That's become unacceptable to me. I'm going to another platform so I can either use one device (if iPhone, I can ditch my iTouch and Android phone) or two (if Android, then I can carry my Android device and my tiny iPod Touch) instead of the situation I'm in now. I'm leaning towards iPhone, because of iMessage, FaceTime, and the fact that 80% of the people I know use iPhones now.

And yes, HTC is notorious for their crappy build quality. The only value they bought to Android was Sense, back when the Android UI was TRULY terrible. Other than that, their devices aren't anything to write home about.

The only area of pause with the Galaxy Nexus is the Camera and lack of a Camera Shutter button.

T-Mobile 3G here is giving me edge speeds with a full 3G signal, so I need to switch carriers next month when I switch phones, as well. I'm tired of their terrible network. Went home for a week last week and couldn't even make a call 90% of the time, or send a text. Had almost no reception. They should have let AT&T buy them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Z33, if you make these kind of posts you are going to get nothing but arguing. Let us all try to be friendlier for 2012, me included.

We can express our love for something without being disparaging towards the competition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Why don't you ditch the iTouch instead, grab a Cowon and either the GN or an iPhone? I can't figure out how people can go on using the latest gen Apple devices as players, the Cirrus DAC they use grants really craptastic sound even compared to cheap ass products such as the Sansa Clip (about 30€). As to games you can surely get a better experience either out of the GN or the iPhone IMHO...
[Windows Phone 7 General] adamski123:
Guys come on, can we stop arguing over wp and android. Both r fantastic OS's we r all spoilt for choice tbh. One of the reasons I like wp so much is the fact that the people who use it aren't total bell ends. Ie iPhone users. So don't make me or the android community change our opinion on that.

Thanks.

I own a galaxy s2 btw

sent from my iPhone 4S.

haha I bet that confused ya ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
How is the 900's style tired? Anyway, I'll simply reply that ICS is not gpu accelerated. Fanatics have said that since eclair and it is in third party apps. The UI still stutters though, as does scrolling through a lot of text.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Ignorance much. All he needs to do is make sure he posts in the right forum. Please get an iPhone and post in that forum asap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
he's banned now,don't have to deal with his ignorance anymore
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
How convenient....

Z33 and drupad2drupad are the classical WP7 protectors...

Almost found their posts in every thread...I have been stay silent in the forum for a month,the attitude of wp7 fanboys aren't change much still....

anyway,enjoy your wp7,and I gonna back to my silent state again,it is another way to make this forum quiet and warn people not to buy wp7 at its current state,at least until wp8...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Sure buddy.

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
They have offered hardware acceleration to developers for some time. It is not, however, present in the UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Mind actually reading?
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
There are a lot of people reporting issues with lag on Android 4.0.2, once google gets around to updating it it should get somewhat better though. Believe it or not the UI does use hardware acceleration (mostly) but the way the kernel prioritizes things results in occasional lag.

There was an article on the portal not too long ago that quoted a google engineer explaining why lag was such an issue for Android, but being mobile ATM I don't have the link handy

Edit: just noticed vet vito actually linked to the post I was referring to
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
I wish the OP would remain banned. Sucks that his account was enabled again. He's like the poster boy of WP7. WP7 shirts, WP7 boxers, WP7 bras, WP7 lingeries, WP7 tampons, WP7 IUDs, WP7 sunglasses, WP7 condoms, WP7 cars, WP7 wheels, WP7 blankets, WP7 pants, WP7 houses, WP7 computers, WP7 iPads, WP7 Androids, WP7 Blackberries, WP7 Kindles, WP7 Nook Tablets, WP7 Televisions, WP7 blizzards, WP7 McDonalds, WP7 Burger Kings, WP7 motherboards, WP7 buildings, WP7 engines, WP7 usb sticks, WP7 sd cards, WP7 CDs, WP7 zip drives, WP7 DVDs, WP7 blu-ray discs, WP7 RAM sticks, and so forth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Thanks for the tip.

Call me what you may, I am not a troll. I won't stand the troll.

If yes you don't find WP7 your cup of tea, don't buy it. If bought it, sell it. Post in correct forums, post in correct threads. This isn't anyone's personal blog. If they have nothing useful to add on the thread, they have nothing. No point trolling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
So why did the OP post here again?

What exactly is this thread contributing to WP7 in general?

Oh my goodness. A hypocritical troll. OMGWTFBBQ. Who would have thought? :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
nah, its not the OS itself. Its the 720 HD screen. As the Nexus S runs just fine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
That's what my biggest concern about the GN actually was. Seriously, why the hell did Google allow Samsung to release a device that wouldn't have been smooth because of the HARDWARE it carried? Why don't they actually do some testing before rushing a piece of hardware/software (this is a Nexus device, you can't just blame Samsung for that) to the market? That's one of the aspects that drove me away from Android: Google dev team is highly unprofessional, they only care about getting the OEMs to make bigger screens for bigger ads, they got no real love for the software they make. The AOSP is a joke, they do no basic troubleshooting, push buggy code and generally every new release breaks something that actually worked in the previous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Is WP7 suitable for anyone? You do have to start somewhere.

Every system has its share of fanatics. Some more than others. But to suggest that people should not own a WP7 phone seems to be playing the exact opposite card, right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
The thing is XDA is overcrowded with Android fanboys, so the few resident WP7 ones have to get meaner and shout louder struggling for survival.

This is quite entertaining actually :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Someone posted it 4 days ago, read the whole thing. In the most technical sense, android is hardware accelerated in the sense that it could not run without hardware. CPU acceleration and GPU acceleration are two entirely different things. The GPU on android is useless in the UI. It's completely unused and is utilizing a part of the CPU. This is why android lags.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upNsmokeAllDay:
+1

Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy S Captivate using XDA Premium.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
comprehension isn't one of your skills I see, or is it you just refusing facts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
As an English major, I should hope that comprehension is a personal skill. There's nothing there that says otherwise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
sure buddy, sure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I do hope they fix the lag issues soon. I sold all my android devices after seeing that ics hadn't resolved it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I did too. Cause of this, plus my ORD issues and last but not least the need for cash :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] madphone:
i have used a galaxy nexus for some weeks, and it's simply the best phone we ever reviewed so far. just don't use 3d live wallpaper and it won't lag.

it's simply the fastest phone. of course, windows phones are smooth but sometimes a bit slow in terms of loading some webpages or apps.

windows phone is a very nice os, ans is pretty good on every smartphone, but mango missed some points to catch up android gingerbread functionality. and now there is ice cream sandwich, with some new cool features and finally a good design.

ms has just to fix some little things:

- allow filemanager and usb mode

- allow alternative music and media players for mkv divx...

- improve multitasking/freezing apps by default. when i don't want an app to be closed i should be able to do that without worrying how many apps i opened later.

- and finally get cheaper again like it was last summer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Only if more and more people were literate or used their literacy in reading where to post. But hey, not everyone learns at same pace. There will be Wiki blackout soon else I would have suggested you go read the definition of troll, put that in context with WTF you are doing, then go back and post in your phone's forum about how lame it is to be so pathetically jealous of the OS that you can don't even own and then post in their forums about the rubbish that you don't even have any basis for. Such an attention seeker for nothing.

@vnvman - I always hated XDA for the fact that it was Android Fanboy neighbourhood who go to an extent to talk from their ass when it comes to accepting anything that isn't Android. They have join the army and go to Iraq for one time, just one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
So, enable real multitasking that rapes batteries, like on android. Make side-loading pirated apps easy, like android. Drop the Zune service that is currently the cheapest legal option? Those are what we need to improve? No thanks, I prefer for my phone to work. All ICS added was gimmicks and the ability to create an app on tab and phone simultaneously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] o2neouzr:
people need to shutup about android not lagging. maybe the GN doesnt lag as much as previous versions, but its there,and its so irritating it makes you want to poke your eyes out. its a complete joke that it still lags and choppy. and how many cpus and gpus does it need to become smooth? iphone 2g was even smoother than GN. and the ICS theme is like some space wallpaper from 1993,so ****in ugly
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
That's what i mean, you pay 600€ for a phone and you're supposed to stand bull**** like "don't do this and that and your phone won't lag"? For what it costs the OS on it has to be flawless, otherwise it will be much less pointless to grab an iPhone with a few more bucks, at least it will still be worth something when it's time to resell it.

@z33: sideloading pirated apps on WP7 is super easy afaik. Sure not as easy as it is on Android because you need a pc in order to do that, but but every noob should be able to make it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Show me one method to do that piracy please please! I want to load top 20 Xbox games without paying a penny on my HTC Titan. How? The most awaited response for me on XDA ;)

Sent from my TITAN X310e using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Man you sound weird :eek:

You got pm btw.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You don't need a PC to side load apps on WP. Not if you have DFT, you can just install XAPs with IE. Its just easier on a PC because you can download all the XAPs directly from MS, and automatically patch them.

I'm done with Lala land, as the only activity here is when spouting BS about another OS.

Enjoy, I'm sure someone will have a unique reply.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I wonder why most Android users here have some serious issues dealing with criticism. Personally I got no problems admitting the good amount of flaws that WP7 has, but I still like it, as some others do. Do you really have to hate on people just because of that? Fandroids brag about the freedom gave to them by their OS, but as soon as somebody for whatever reason doesn't want that freedom anymore he becomes a moron using some stupid second choice OS. Interesting idea of freedom you have...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Indoctrination (as taken from Wikipedia): Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).[1] It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.

I wish people would let me be

Let me choose the best for me.

Choice is what makes me feel free.

Let me be. Let me be. Let me be.

Free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You do realize that this thread was started by a WP7 fanboy for the express purpose of bashing another OS and insulting people who use it, right?

(Disclaimer - I do not now, nor have I ever owned an Android phone, so any attempt to label me a "fandroid" will fail)
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
This is WP7 forum. They can talk whatever they want and say how cool their phone is compared to other phones in their own forums. There are NUMEROUS threads in the Android forum bashing WP7. I don't even recollect pressing the link even by mistake completely drunk or drugged. So unless someone is insane, drunk or drugged or a pathetic troll, I don't see a point of coming here to WP7 to talk bull****. They can live in their own la la land and talk the rubbish. There are flaws in the OS, but that doesn't make it rubbish or less attractive than the OS we don't choose to use. Simples!

Plus WTF is wrong with accepting that there are flaw in your own OS? I think iPhone's voice recognition is better than my WP. I am happy to accept that. But no other freaking OS integrates things like WP and I am not obliged to see a troll quoting me saying it's rubbish.

My 2p

Peace out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I have been called a WP fanboy yet I do not own, nor ever owned one :D I do want one though.

To be honest, I agree with RoboDad and Drupad. On one hand I think that is the purpose of a community - to exchange ideas and share with your fellow man/woman. But this should not come in the form of propaganda, or misrepresentation. Its okay to gush about how much you love WP, but there is no reason to bash Android to get your point across.

Now I do not know what the answer is to the hardware acceleration debate. And let us face it, does it really matter beyond a techno-pissing contest? Regardless of which phone you like, use, or back, the biggest problem with Android is stability, smoothness and battery life.

Maybe I am not current but scrolling, going to different menus, and even screen rotate on Android is not as smooth as iOS. Apps force close more often. And the battery life is poor. Fundamentally, if you are telling me it takes a dual core 1.5GHz CPU to accomplish "fluidity" that is on par with iOS/WP I have a problem with that. That 1.5GHz won't come for free (price and battery life).

Likewise, some people do not like many aspects of Windows Phone. Closed, limited homescreen customization, notification presentation needs work, lack of features and apps.

It is all about what is important to you. I am tired of the poor battery life of Android first and foremost. Unlocked iPhones are very expensive. I would like to step into the 4" screen world. I love all the free Android apps, but I am willing to give that up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] madphone:
i think you missunderstood what i meant.

most apps don't need real multitasking. it's totally sufficient to pause them and continue when reloading. that's what iOS does most time, and that's what wp does in some apps. it would be better when all apps would do that by default. most apps aren't updated yet, although mango is available for some months now.

sometimes real multitasking can be usefull too. for example you want to listen to a song on youtube and browse another website simultanously. but even android can't do that.

Not dropping zune, cause i really like it. It's much better than iTunes. But people don't want to be forced to use it. They simply want to drag and drop their pics, music and files on their phones.

And why can't we play the video files we want to? just because ms wants us to use their stupid wmv... nobody does and nobody wants to. Converting almost every file you find on pc's is annoying.

By the way, i'm using android & wp7. i love both, but ms should stop copying apple and their restrictions. That's what people mention mostly why they don't want windows phone.