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[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
You know, I would agree with you if you:

1. You were at CES with us.

2. You were a reseller of ACER tablets like us.

3. You have had reps in your office from ACER like us.

4. You personally wrote software for the ACER that is is sold in over 8 countries like us.

5. You went to the annual ACER meeting like us.

6. You wrote hardware device drivers for ACER, Toshiba, Samsung, ASUS, Lenovo, HP, HTC, . . . .Like we do!

7. You actually owned retails stores in multiple states that sells ACER products like us.

8. That your P&L showed more than 2.3 million on the ACER Cost Center in NET software sales alone like us

In other words, I hope this clears it up for you.

TD
[Acer Iconia A500] firetruck41:
So you didn't read the original post of this thread and its attachment?
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
firetruck41,

I'm just trying to share with you where these dates are coming from and they are coming from NOT some per speculation or something else.

Thanks
[Acer Iconia A500] nifterific:
You know, I would agree with you if the HTC Desire Z/G2 camera wasn't working right now, but FFS if XDA can build their own drivers then there is no way in hell a reputable company like Acer would just say "screw it" and release an official OTA ICS build where things like the camera blatantly dont work like your other post suggested. Maybe rather than spout off about all your "qualifications" you should look into other devices and what devs have done without official drivers before talking about the actual company not being able to make working drivers.
[Acer Iconia A500] bassetluvr:
After bugging ace's support for three days this is the answer that i was given

"David, as per our records I see that Android 4.0 Ice cream sand wish update is still under the phase of testing.

david l: is it going to be released soon? i really need it

Vanka Kanth: It is expected is release shortly."

I think that may be good...

BTW i have an a500
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
I work live and breath this stuff 22 hours a day. It has nothing to do with XDA or someone wanting or able to make drivers. So instead of just taking personal shots at someone because Joey at XDA in his basement can make one.

So, yes this is your custom ROM community and they'll support it just like every other legacy system.

But, my company is not going to spend hundreds of dollars developing a driver even if Joey in his basement can do it when our vendors aren't making those tablets anymore, hardware devices, chipsets, firmware, etc. etc.

So, please before you fire a shot across someone's bow, think for just one moment that maybe they just might know what they're taking about. In other words, take the emotion out of it. If you disagree than do so and ask instead of just saying that the person doesn't know what they're talking about.

Articulate it, maybe something like this:

"TD, Joey in forum xyz on XDA can make drivers for legacy hardware so certainly it can be done. Therefore why can't ACER? Or why shouldn't they which further builds brand loyality?"

TD
[Acer Iconia A500] nifterific:
Well, the way I understand it, companies using android agree to 18 months of support, correct? The iconia a500 is a year old, correct? This gives acer 6 months to make all appropriate ICS drivers for this device, and since people who do this as a hobby only needed a month or so for most devices to do this, there is NO reason why the a500 shouldn't get an official ICS update that is 100% working.

You can talk about your company all you want, I dont care. All singns point to Acer supporting the a500 with ICS, and if random dude #3456 can build drivers then so can Acer.

The part you cant wrap your flimsy noodle around? Just because I can give this very good reason why Acer is capable of a fully functional ICS update doesn't mean I am saying "Acer will deliver ICS for the a500", I'm saying they are perfectly capable of making it work 100%. If they don't, they won't release it.

Also, your scenario ofwaking up to an updated tablet will NEVER happen. You're prompted to install OTAs, they dont install themselves. You've clearly been rooted too long to have forgotten something so basic.
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Now see how much better that is, just watch the noodle remarks. It's fat from all the holiday beer still <lol>

Waking up to ACER already having loaded ICS is correct. It assumed you'd hit the accept button. But, have you ever not done that? And if you don't, it nags and nags and nags you to update. So yes, it won't do it for you automatically. So the example assumed more than what really would happen.

Now, I like how you're thinking about drivers. Yes, you can make drivers and ACER can and should. The problem here is, will they? They told us at CES they are really being pushed by vendors such as (Verizon etc) to get ICS and new devices.

In the past, not saying this will hold, carriers haven't wanted to take major upgrades. They prefer to sell you a new device with a new contract. Verizon, told us, last year that they use the latest 'toys' to get people to signup for another contract period. Then there's all the past legal issues with carrier's breaking phones when an OTA occurred and the FCC investigated. Remember the lawsuits flying around when HC was pushed?

In the office today, for a matter of fact, we were told ICS was coming OTA on the Xoom so be prepared. So, if they can do it so can ACER, but Motorola is owned (or will be) by Google.

Thoughts?

TD

PS> You're point on 18 months? I do not know if support means doing updates or just supporting the product and major patches. Typically, it only means minor and not major version changes. 3.0 to 3.1 for example and not 3.x to 4.x. And then again, what's meant buy support? Good thing to Google and see what we come up with.
[Acer Iconia A500] nifterific:
I'll have to google it to make sure, but I'm almost positive that the 18 month support agreement is for all new versions of android, not just minor firmware changes. For example, even though it was an old phone, motorola still supported the Cliq from 1.5 to 1.6 to 2.1. The big issue with this is that they can claim to be working on it, but not finish and once that 18 month mark hits they just abandon it(the Cliq, called the Dext in Europe, had its 2.1 OTA pushed back so many times that once the 18 month mark hit it was abandoned). Sadly, this might happen with the a500 and ICS since they are working on it and will have just enough timeto delay it past the 18 month mark. As I made clear, I'm not saying they WILL release ICS, just that they have time and it shouldnt be too tough for a pro dev team to do what a hobby dev can do.

And you CAN completely ignore an OTA. Before I rooted last month (I'll be honest here and admit I just got my a500 for Christmas, but having owned a Cliq, MT4G and G2 plus messing with my wifes Droid 3 I'm not exactly an android newbie) my a500 was promting me to update to 3.2 from 3.1, but I had a check box for it to never ask me again. I looked into the updates and decided if it was worth upgrading (the downgrade was easy enough, so I did) and I'll admitmost willprobably see an update and accept assuming "update" means "better", but it wont harass you forever.

Sorry I got so worked up, but it tends to bug me when I feel people are putting words in my mouth, and its often not until later when I realize that they werent, I just wasnt as clear as I could have been.
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
You know, I work on some many of these, that I'm not sure if on the A500 you can tell it to ignore and not ask again for updating. I know, on a lot of them they nag the 'crap' out of you and you cannot turn it off (like every minute you get a popup and there's no way to turn it off). So, when dealing with ACER I remove their update tool (rename it actually) so it doesn't even ask.

I like your thoughts on how ACER could delay and then push back then the 18 months are up <lol>.

These things are really getting to be like a disposable camera don't you think?

Now whether they do or don't upgraded ICS OTA, do you really want it if you cannot root it? I have two tablets (HC 3.2.1)on my desk now (other MFG's) with locked boot loaders and I cannot root them.

If MFG's, like ACER keep the bootloader locked then unless ICS has an exploit we're S.O.L. There seems to be a few exploits in ICS, but I wouldn't count on that method for very long. In order to really load a ROM, even if it's stock with only root, you need an unlocked bootloader. If ACER would not have made it possible to downgrade then anyone taking 3.2.1 would be stuck with no way to root it. Currently there's no way to root it (you actually downgrade it or use their SBK inside their downgrade tool to unlock it and root it). But if it wasn't for this tool, we won't be able to downgrade or discover the SBK to unlock it.

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"
[Acer Iconia A500] nifterific:
Honestly, I might be in the minority here but I dont care about root. I only rooted after updating to 3.2.1 because Acer locked my bootloader. I was perfectly content with 100% stock software as long as Acer left the decision up to me, when I found out that they locked the bootloader with the OTA, I rooted because this is MY tablet, not theirs. I bought it, it doesn't belong to them anymore, they have no right to tell me what I can and cannot install on it. It would be like buying a brand new Windows 7 PC and suddenly there is a service pack that locks it, and you can do factory resets and upgrades to windows 8, but you cannot format and put linux or chrome on it if you wanted to. Its just wrong, and despite this tablet performing past my expectaions, it makes me despise Acer. Actually, if it wasnt for this full sized USB port (my selling point) I would have returned it to best buy and walked out with a Xoom, but I would probably just upset myself by finding out that has a locked bootloader too.

So to answer your question, yes, I would take ICS without root, as long as they left my device in a manner that if root was figured out I would be able to do it and change roms if I wanted. I'll probably end up running a custom ICS rom once the official is out and camera works on customs, or just stock rooted (be honest, if there is a stock ICS, we will at least have THAT rooted even if we can't root ICS) for a while because of its stability.
[Acer Iconia A500] Sashtheflash:
If you had ics from Tegrao....s just installed once you wouldn't say you can live with hc. It's so much faster and smoother even now in this beta stage than any HC rom. Hc is the windows me/vista of Android... The worst thing they made..
[Acer Iconia A500] Dexter_nlb:
Xoom had an official ICS built by Google for weeks now, with original NVIDIA drivers compiled for tegra2.. why is no none porting 4.0.3 from xoom to Acer now that proprietary drivers are ready for tegra2 platform.

and no, i cannot help.. i got no Acer anymore (at least for the moment)

but porting the native drivers in xoom should be piece of cake :) MDJ did an xoom port early on with 3.1/3.2 , you should be seeing 4.0.3 with native drivers very soon at least before acer decide to release an OTA build.
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Cool, but for me I have to have root. I just need to install kernel drivers and remove stuff, oh and turn off OTA so they don't break things. Then we remove root.

Root for us, is just like having access to add/remove programs in Windows. We do nothing 'goofy' with it that anyone would care about. This is exactly like your argument and point about Windows.

Now, your points about the ACER hardware, I agree. My original Xoom I liked but I liked the Toshiba Thrive better because it had all the ports, full USB, etc. like you'd want. Then, we got an OTA on the Thrive and it was locked. Then when we got our Xoom FE tablets, those were locked but the plain Xoom was not.

I'd like to know why they haven't got sued over it. Can you image what would happen if Microsoft did exactly what you mentioned with a SP?

---------- Post added at 04:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:05 PM ----------

Custom ROMs usually run better, so this does NOT surprise me. Keep up the research and keep your stick on the ice.
[Acer Iconia A500] irishmoe:
The new A510 will be out in March obviously with ics, so from a marketing perspective it makes sense to reslease the new product first before updating the old one. Encourages users that want ics in a hurry to trade in or trade up to the new product. Don't expect ics for our A500s until a few weeks after we see the new A510s on the market.
[Acer Iconia A500] speeddaddy:
The employees over at Apple can't wait until lunch time to turn on there Ipads, while eating there bologna sandwiches and read these android forums. That's there entertainment they look forward to every day, all the 20 different ROMs. versions, HC, ICS. 2.0, 2.1, gingerbread, bricking,fighting, arguing there going to buy something else because there not getting there OTA until April, no support, bad quality,plastic buttons breaking, bad wifi, bad sound, bad battery life. Buuuuuttttt wait WE HAVE FLASH and they DON'T. They must think we are all idiots over here and laugh at us every day and know this is why Apple will always remain #1. I have a stock A500 ( will never get a apple product) that works great and I don't care if I ever get ICS. ICS will never make this Pad work any better for what it is. It is just for reading books ,surfing, some game playing and taking to doctor appointments and playing solitaire while waiting . My A500 reminds me of my motor cycle it is just for fun and it will NEVER replace my car or Laptop. I remember when everybody was crying for 3.1 and then 3.2 and still nobody's happy. The last update finally fixed the market and If I never get another up date I'll happy. Besides ICS was developed for phones not Pads. Its just a glorified Honeycomb to make phone users happy because they never got HC. You can not please all the people all of the time. Let the responses begin:D
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
..

very well said.. But i still want the UPGRADE .Giggles.. speaking of time to go to the doctors in a few grrrrrrrrrrrrr painful torture .. Pt SO THEY can keep wasting money trying to fix my bad R.K.. JUST PAY THE LADY WORK Comp is not better in a year.. its not going to get there... like our tablet . IT IS WHAT IT IS ..
[Acer Iconia A500] Dexter_nlb:
we got SDCARD support, they don't for regular use, just for images, poor,poor people..

we got many companies supporting our platform, they got only 3rd party accessories.

hehe, even some would say we got XXX they don't :D

we got alot more to be happy about, and no china-like company driven culture, we got the freedom, apple users do not see yet, but they don't. as long as they pay, they get teasers, is that enough?
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Drink more beer, it becomes more clear when you look through Beer Glasses.

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company. It's a mad house, a mad house I tell you."
[Acer Iconia A500] Destron5683:
You know, the thing is, Android in general just has a BROKEN ecosystem right now. Every body comes in here posting I am done with Acer, I will never buy another Acer again, and all that stuff, but the problem is not unique to Acer.

It seems every company pushes devices out the door and forgets about them. I bought a G1 and have used Android devices ever since. I buy phones out right - don't do the 2 year contact thing so I am constantly switching up, and ALMOST every device forum you go to, once the device is released its done. You will get minor updates but no major updates. Look at how many phones in the wild today are STILL running Froyo? In fact - that is the VERY reason this website thrives, because we have to count on the awesome people here that are willing to do what they manufacturers won't.

Right now I am running a Samsung Vibrant with MIUI - to Samsung its a dead device. Many people that have it under contract probably have over a year to go before they can upgrade.

The thing is I don't care what version of Android my device is running as long as it runs all the latest Apps. Right now I can probably count the apps on my fingers that WILL run on my Tegra 2 Acer tablet with Honeycomb and WONT run on my Arm7 phone with Froyo/Gingerbread. (Not talking tegra specific apps). On the other hand my Phone can a LOT of apps my tablet can't.

Google is just releasing to may versions to fast, and its leaving a lot of device owners in the dust. It seems the "unofficial" life cycle for any Android device is about a year. Sometimes less. By the time tablet/phone makers get their product out the door Google is cooking up a new Android version and they say well screw it, we have a newer better product coming up let's launch IT with the new Android version and screw the rest.

But when it comes down to it, this is NOT just Acer. All Android device manufacturers are guilty of doing this exact same thing, and so far Motorolla and Samsung have been the worst, but that might just be because overall they have more devices out there. (Xoom does not really count because that was a Google Experience device so it had Google working on it to). And don't get me started on HTC. Right now today people are signing 2 year contracts on Froyo/Gingerbread phones that will NEVER see an update. People are buying Honeycomb tablets TODAY that will NEVER see an update.

Google just needs to focus on fixing the infrastructure of Android and NOT releasing new versions. Imagine if PC Windows came in yearly flavors, and Window 2012 would never get ported to Windows 2011 device.
[Acer Iconia A500] Alienwithin:
thank you for posting that screenshot, i have actually been banned by ACER ANZ and reported to facebook with my account locked down because of that thread, all my posts have been deleted from facebook with acer writing me and claiming.

Hi Richard, your numerous posts on our Facebook page have caused some concern. At this stage we have no other option than to remove you from the AcerANZ page. We do this as we would like our other 15,242 members to have a place where they can discuss topics
[Acer Iconia A500] nifterific:
I'm not sure what you expected to happen if you were the guy in the screen shot trolling acer about the lack of updates. It doesnt exactly make you look like anything else when you say stuff like that to an acer customer service rep who is trying to be polite about something he has no control over.
[Acer Iconia A500] speeddaddy:
Google just needs to focus on fixing the infrastructure of Android and NOT releasing new versions. Imagine if PC Windows came in yearly flavors, and Window 2012 would never get ported to Windows 2011 device.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100 percent
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
I agree 100 percent[/QUOTE]

Good point, I just wish it was that easy. What makes this difficult is the various components. For example, if we all got together and built the DREAM tablet, lets call it DREAM, we'd be very happy. However, it is most likely we'd NOT make every part. So, lets just take one part. So, instead of making a camera we got a 3 mp camera from XYZ-3. We're not going to make CPU's, so we buy a Tegra 2.

Now XYZ Cameras sells to a lot of tablet manufactures and DREAM is just one. They only care about cameras. So, they now come up with XYZ-5 Camera which is a 5 mp, but it requires a firmware change from Tegra to work. Tegra makes chips, so they only offer the new firmware in their new chips.

Now, back to DREAM, we're out of XWY-3 and call in a new order. They tell us that they no longer make the xyz-3, but the XYZ-5 is better and is for the same price. However, it only works with Tegra Firmware 3. There are no drivers for the Tegra 2 because the Firmware doesn't support it.

Now the mess starts, and this is happening faster and faster each year.

Note: This is an example ONLY, so no need for someone to start saying Tegra 3 supports Tegra 2 firmware or that mfg's making xyz-3 would be backwards compatible with xyz-2. Again, this is an example and is what my company deals with on a daily bases and becomes a snowball real quick. It seems to now start happening around about 8 months. In the past, 18 to 24 months seemed to be the norm. There are times when it's dormant and then it breaks out again. In other words, tablet manufactures don't make tablets. They just get all the parts and assemble them. Just like Dell on the PC side. They do NOT make motherboards, HD, etc. Matter of fact, I don't think they make anything.

TD

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Lost Blonde chic

Does this dream tablet come in pink .Does use gps to be sure i dont step in cyber doggie Doooo .. Because lately all this ice yes and no stuff is just that..

i DREAM OF A Hot redhead To love me Forever.. oops i already have that 25 years now.. why cant android be so simple... Now i go away and cry after posting this total useless meaningless post... Giggles.. oops Boohoooooo:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[Acer Iconia A500] wolverine423:
I appreciate your continued post whoring of every ICS thread in this forum.

Keep up the good work.
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
If anyone cares, my Xoom got ICS last night. Some issues, but the OTA came through. Rooting isn't an issue because they allow you to unlock the bootloader and we got it rooted already.

Since we got the word from Motorola it was coming, we were prepared it only broke one application which we had already fixed.

Like: When you turn on the tablet you can slide to the camera to unlock the screen and take pictures.

Dislike: Apps are just apps now. No 'apps' and 'my apps' distinction, it's all just apps. So you cannot tell which ones you installed. And, in the apps, there's no 'ghost' outline of apps off the screen, so you cannot tell there are more pages of apps to the left of right.

If you didn't know any better you might not even know it changed. I have several other MFG's models here, so it will be interesting to see if other OEM's implement the same way.

PS. With a locked bootloader, I'm not sure how you'd root a tablet that goes to ICS.

Anyway my 2¢

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"
[Acer Iconia A500] wolverine423:
I agree on the apps separation, but I put all my commonly used apps on a home screen so it's a minor inconvenience to me.

The browser is a big improvement. After a few weeks I haven't noticed it crash once. The honeycomb browser would crash daily. (Certain websites)
[Acer Iconia A500] dincdoes.me:
I won't be getting an Acer ill be getting the HTC quadcore ONLY IF ITS WIFI ONLY if anyone has a HTC device you know how well they are committed on bootloader unlocking for the users but carriers are making this a hard task plus HTC is really beautiful!
[Acer Iconia A500] qhinton:
This is why I really want to leave Android behind. There's just too many devices, different hardware, too many google updates, no control over manufactures, no timely updates, manufactures not fixing hardware issues (Acer + mic = no video chat oh the GPS too and oh yea wifi).

Its seems that the only tablet manufacture that is trying to gain customers by providing us with what we want is Asus. If they continue with timely updates and addressing issues why by anything else?
[Acer Iconia A500] :
REALLY.!?!:rolleyes:

Have you read the "Prime" forums here at XDA lately?

If the way a manufacturer addresses issues is by releasing a new tab because the Prime is riddled with so many hardware bugs, then you deserve each other.

PLEASE go purchase a Prime ;)