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[General Topics] GIR:
So I made this video to put an end to this nonsense myth about lagging propegated by people who have no idea at all what they're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPqXwerQZps

As can be seen the S2 is the only device which performs smoothly on all fronts. The menu is smooth, webbrowser is smooth and gaming is smooth.

The iPhone 4 has problems loading taxing sites and clearly does lag in a very annoying way. I can also point to several situations where the iPhone 4 clearly lags in a very annoying way. Didn't have games on there but gaming is good as we all know very well.

WP7 has a smooth menu and everything looks nice. Does lag in the browser but it's not as annoying as the iPhone 4. Altho the main menu is smooth some apps do lag horribly, like the Xbox Live app. Gaming is horrible on this device altho I hear it's better on the Lumia 800.

All devices are Wifi N but the S2 is the only one who achieves good rates. The LG is the phone with the worst download rate and the iPhone 4 comes in second.

I know both youtube and 9gag have mobile sites which work better but I picked these sites off the top of my head as a showcase. There are enough sites out there which do not have a mobile site and are taxing to load.

So in conclusion, S2 Android is the best and doesn't lag, iPhone 4 doesn't lag usually but when it does it is the worst. Also there are several case in which the phone starts lagging so bad that it feels as if the phone has crashed.

WP7 has mediocre lag, the lag is there but workable.

All phones have been hard reset, I was in the process of reinstalling my S2 when the idea occurred to me. This is why the S2 has some apps on it and both the iPhone 4 and LG are stock and fresh.

Discuss...
[General Topics] moonmang:
Why not test the iPhone 4s?
[General Topics] GIR:
I don't have one here rightnow but I can say that it's webbrowser is more or less the same.

The only real improvement the 4S has to offer on the lag front is the following. If you have a lots of menu pages (8 pages is best for demonstration but it starts at 5), you go to the end of your menu and then press home. You'll see that on the 4 it clearly starts to lag and on the 4S this doesn't happen.

I wanted to film this too but it would take too much effort to fill the menu with apps right now, maybe later. I think the point has been made and as you can see the iPhone isn't the holy grail of lagfreeness some might have you believe.
[General Topics] slapshot30:
Zee, where you at bro? I'm waiting for you to debunk this guys whole arguement, because anything you don't experience, absolutely can't be possible. Right?
[General Topics] GIR:
I don't know who this Zee is but I'd welcome his input. I made this thread to open up discussion not to start a flame war. The video it self isn't perfect and open for criticism but I didn't make it to be perfect. I made it just to show there is lag in Apple.
[General Topics] tolis626:
You welcome Zee's output but you don't want to start a flame war?You obviously don't know what you're talking about. :p

Anyway,talking about what 1gb of RAM can be used for... ;)
[General Topics] mistermentality:
I did a vid last night to show lag free ui using screencast but not uploaded it anywhere yet, even capturing video and superimposing a visual pointer to show where and when touches happened on screen in realtime I was able to swipe through screens and folders etc with no lag.

In fact it was so quick you barely see the pointer on screen where I touched screen to initiate action but still people say it lags.

Only lag I notice is opening or installing apps on stock gb rom.

I saw zee mentioned, surprised he hasn't commented yet as usually android lag is something he comments on. He has wp7 and android and says that android has lots of lag where wp7 is flawlessly smooth. Be interesting to see his take as he has used all phone systems whereas I haven't so can only speak from experience of android but to me the ui doesn't lag.

Dave
[General Topics] mathburn:
Don't forget S II has Dual-Core CPU and the others has Single-core.
[General Topics] Rytkonen:
WP does not even support dual core cpu yet.
[General Topics] tjtj4444:
When people says that iphone doesn't lag they mostly mean that it has 60fps buttersmooth interface without any dropped frames most of the time (In my opinion incorrect use of the word lag though).

It is physically impossible to show such smoothness on a 30fps hard compressed youtube video that isn't captured in sync with phone screen refresh rate.

I find my SGS2 pretty smooth most of the time, so I'm not defending iPhone (in fact I dislilke iPhone...), but your video is not enough to visualize the smoothness of the phones.
[General Topics] mistermentality:
Iphone 4S has dual core as well.

Dave
[General Topics] vnvman:
The test isn't perfect but it's fine i guess. Honestly tho the comparison is a bit ubalanced imho: you compared the fastest android device on the market (i know how good it is, i owned one for 5 months) with possibly one of the slowest and oldest WP7 devices, and ofc the iPhone4 is as well a piece of history nowadays. To be fair you should have compared similar hardware: the LG phone you have there has the same hardware (cpu+gpu) as the HTC Desire, but compared to it the Desire feels like a sluggish piece of **** (not talking out of my ass, i've been using one for over a year), even if you tweak it and OC it like hell. Anyway there's no denying that right now even with the latest hardware WP7 sucks badly in terms of gaming, and the few games we have are insanely overpriced. Android has good hardware and good games, and many free ones look way batter than most "top" WP7 games; not that i really care tho, i'm not a heavy gamer and therefore this doesn't bother me much. Anyway in terms of usability WP7 is a pretty sweet spot between Android and iOS imho: it's, refreshing and new, pleasant to use out of the box and you don't have to spend 600€ nor hack the phone in order to have a smooth and consistent experience.

To each their own i guess...
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
He may have compared the fastest android phone on the market, but the simple fact of the matter is that the GSII has outsold any other android device by far (over 15 million). I still believe more people have an Iphone 4 and not a 4s, and is there a such thing as a popular WP7 device? So either way he is comparing the top sellers of each OS.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Sure but is this little LG phone the top selling WP7 device? I hope not.

I still think that the simple fact that most people have a specific phone doesn't make it the best one. If it was so then the Galaxy 5 aka i5500 would be an amazing phone compared to the Titan, but last time i checked it was a cheap low end Android and sucked balls. Ok sorry, just kidding.

Anyway call me weird, but i still think that a fair comparison is the one between devices with at least comparable specs (or at least price tags), rather than the one between those with comparable sold units. I know there isn't such a thing as a dual-core WP7 device, but there's quite a big difference between a Snapdragon S1@1Ghz and a Snapdragon S2@1.5Ghz, believe me.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
So to even out the comparison he should be using and android device that is a year and a half old?
[General Topics] GIR:
I'm actually surprised at the lack of attention this thread is getting, seeing as there have been quite extensive (and usually unproductive) discussions on this subject I was expecting people to flock to this thread.

The iPhone 4 / 4S is irrelevant IMO. The iPhone 4S has only been released recently and isn't mainstream yet. Past discussions have always concerned the 4 for one and the 4S does nothing to solve the issues I've demonstrated.

As for the question: "Why these phones", these are the ones I had in the shop at the time. I'll see if I can update or add when I have other devices.

As for my credentials, I own several repair shops (yes actual physical shops not somebody who works at home). I pride myself in being able to repair just about any phone with any issue unless it has water damage. I have most popular phones in stock and I also deal in used phones. Thus I have easy access to all the phones and I also get to play with all of them.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
Oh it will get attention, trust me...the trolls are still asleep!
[General Topics] vnvman:
Not really, picking a "high end" one like the Titan or the Lumia should be fair enough imo. I have this Omnia W here which should behave fine enough (despite being a mid range phone it still packs the latest gen WP7 SOC) but unfortunately I sold my GS2 a couple weeks ago because I was low on cash, so I can't make a decent comparison myself.
[General Topics] GIR:
I've had a Lumia 800 here and to be honest it doesn't matter that much. Games are still jerky, the XBox Live app is the same and the browser is the same. When it comes to specs most WP7 devices aren't that much different from one and other. The Lumia 800 has better specs but that bit extra doesn't really make a big difference in the end.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Yeah I wasn't talking about games, we all know they suck on WP7. But as far as regular usage is concerned my Omnia W feels a lot snappier compared to the Omnia 7 I've had for a few months. Ofc there's no night and day difference, but they are different to be honest.
[General Topics] GIR:
Well like I said, on average use (the menu and the stock apps) all the devices are just fine there's nothing to be had there. The only point of criticism towards WP7 is the Xbox Live hub which is seriously lagging.
[General Topics] bdfull3r:
the test compares two single core 3G devices to a dual core 4G device.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
The GS2 is currently the smoothest android device thanks to Samsung adding something akin to full hardware acceleration. The comparison would've been better with a gnex. The lag was, however, still apparent at the lockscreen and the pinch to zoom aspect. Scrolling through the UI it drops a few frames, but not a ridiculous amount. It's still commendable though. IOS is only smooth in the UI and I've never been particularly impressed with iOS, but it was discernibly smoother than the other options for years.
[General Topics] GIR:
I live in The Netherlands, we don't have LTe here just yet it's a UMTS device. But it doesn't matter because they are all 3 connected to my Wifi N access point which inturn is connected to a 150MByte/s fiber line.

If what you are saying was true, who cares how they did it, does it matter? If Samsung did something extra then it would stick out in the source, it doesn't and they haven't.

I really can't be arsed to make another video just for the lockscreen but it's nonsense. I didn't make this video to start another myth.
[General Topics] totocheku:
nothing can beat SGS2, not even iPhone; period.
[General Topics] GIR:
I give you the Galaxy Nexus. :P
[General Topics] vnvman:
Frankly the hub doesn't lag on my device, that might be due to the improved gpu packed by Snapdragon S2 devices, which also makes browsing faster and more pleasant. I agree on the fact that WP7 doesn't offer the fastest hardware, and some may find the animations too slow for their likings, but overall the OS feels solid and smooth, personally I couldn't get that feeling out of any Android device I had, tho the GS2 felt obviously much faster. At the end of the day Android and WP7 devices offer a completely different user experience, it's hard to make a proper comparison between the two just looking at somebody flicking through homescreens-tiles and basic apps.
[General Topics] GIR:
Keep in mind that this isn't a head to head comparison of OS's, it is just there to put an end to the lag myth. If I were to make an head to head comparison I could write books of praise and criticism about all 3 OS's.They all have their individual strong and weak points.

I think it's a shame you don't share the experience as me. However I think it is weird that you would say the XBox Live hub is okay when you say gaming on the WP7 isn't the strong point. It is the 3D animation of you Xbox Avatar on the background which makes the Xbox Live hub lag. So both statements don't really fit well into each other. Maybe there's some way to turn this avatar off to not make it lag?

It's a shame I sold the used Lumia 800 I had and I really do not want to break the seal on the new devices. I'll make another video when I have one so I can demonstrate what I mean.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
perhaps you should review their custom UI. That is where they added GPU acceleration. Android itself is laggy as hell, touchwiz remedied it by adding you acceleration over about 80 percent of the UI.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
But yet you have stated numerous times that your SGSII was painfully laggy.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
It is, the locks teen is not remedied, pinch to zoom is not remedied, and while much improved, the UI is not quite there. I actually think that if they put the same amount of work into ICS for the gs3 they could really do something amazing.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
The locks teen huh? Is that your amazing wp7 keyboard at work?
[General Topics] vnvman:
@GIR: oh wait, if you're talking about the guy inside the hub I have to admit I caught him moving in a jerky way from time to time. As to games, I haven't said that the device performs bad while running them: they suck because they have cheap graphics compared to most Android games. Obviously you can't expect a single core to run MC3 smooth as pie, not even my GS2 was able to do that. Tbh I was really surprised the other day when I found out that Real Racing 2 was coming soon to Nokia Devices...i mean wtf? We don't have the hardware for it to run properly, and I can't see dualcore WP7 devices coming out anywhere soon, it will be like playing Crysis on my netbook...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Ah, attacking typos and auto-corrects, the last ditch effort of a troll.

---------- Post added at 09:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:56 PM ----------

Infinity Blade ran pretty flawlessly on under 1ghz processors. Android itself is likely the cause for graphical shortcomings. That and their real multi-tasking.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
Please tell me where you get last ditch effort from? This thread is about a video showing a lag free stock GSII, the same phone you have been crying about how laggy it is for the past 3 months, and a laggy WP7 phone. I sir am not the one who needs a last ditch effort here. You have been praising the gaming of WP7 as well, and it has become pretty clear how ****ty that is. Why don't you make us a cool little video? You can tether your 14 lumias together and play a game lag free...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
It lags at the lock screen and while pinching to zoom, though only slightly in the UI. As for his games hub lag, I wonder if he's updated. That's one Windows Phone I don't have, but it's not an issue on any of my first gen devices, hd7s, dell venue pro, or the likes. I did have a similar issue on the mango beta though. It does take a good 15 seconds to update though. In that time, it is a bit choppy.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
My single core phone doesnt even lag on the lockscreen or when using pinch to zoom. Are you bringing that up because they are the only things not shown in the video?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
They're both shown in the first minute of the video.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
Well obviously I haven't watched the video.
[General Topics] vnvman:
You're right, the avatar gimmick is a little choppy only when the hub is updating the info. I wanna outline here that this is absolutely not a big deal. What actually bothers people when talking about gaming on WP7 devices is the lack of decent ones. Anyway Android users may have a very different gaming experience depending on the hardware they use, and its quality may vary from good to unbearably crappy depending on the device. Android isn't the best platform for games, that's for sure (iOS rules in terms of gaming, end of the story), but it's still better compared to WP7. This would actually bother me, if it wasn't for the fact that mobile gaming on phones sucks as a whole concept, unless you're 12 and/or lack any sort of social life (IMHO).
[General Topics] GIR:
Since all parts of that is opensource, show me the code.

As you can see in the video and screenshot below the LG is fully updated to Mango with all the bugfixes you can get through Zune. You could've picked up on this yourself, since you've obviously studied my video very closely, by all the mango's in the lock-screen which is default for WP7 Mango.

When I read this I started thinking to myself: "Why doesn't he have an LG Optimus 7", there must be a reason right? So I started searching and I came across this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=10575504&highlight=lg#post10575504

Fair enough you don't trust them, but then

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=12620234&highlight=lg#post12620234

Hey wait what! You are suddenly recommending the Optimus 7? Why the 180 all of sudden, I don't know and I don't care. But for you to be able to recommend the Optimus 7 you surely would've had to try the device at some point... right?

I'm actually quite baffled at how you can detect dropped frames on a 720p video shot on a i8910HD (don't have anything better at as I used my best phones to make this video) which barely can get 20 to 24FPS on 720p and when uploaded to youtube gets interpolated to 30fps. In short, unless you're a superhuman it's impossible for you to detect dropped frames.

Since you're so concerned with the lock screen, it's obviously very important, I made the video to show you the wake up delay is that same as on LG and on other hardware and there is no lag at all in the lock-screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu1iVdKcJiI

Leave it be mate, what you're saying is just not there.

/edit:

Since you seem to be so outspoken of the fact that you like WP7 so much I dove a bit into your history and found this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=16081100&highlight=galaxy+s2#post16081100

There you said the S2 is choppy (honestly I don't know where you got an S2 from because it was barely released in the EU at that date but whatever), okay I can understand. But now you do a 180 and tell me it's smooth because it's the only HW phone? That's a fatal exception right there if you ask me. So which one is it? Is the S2 smooth because it HWA or choppy because it's Android?

But yet again shifting through your posts, I haven't really found anything useful, I can honestly say I am infact dumber (if at all possible) then I was 30 mins ago just by reading what you wrote. It's all oneliners and claims without any basis to back it up. But as luck might have it, you might be onto something so I'm still willing to hear you out. But for me todo that and to fully understand what you're on about I think it might be helpful if you come up with some visual aides or maybe links or highlights so it's not just your word (or better yet oneliner) but something which stands on firmer grounds.

I mean it's hard to take the word of somebody who's clearly a fanboy and a fanboy that keep flip floping all over the place too.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1448465
[General Topics] GIR:
I don't see it that way.

For instance, here in The Netherlands the prices are as follows (just a random pick).

SGS2: 430 euros

SGS: 280 euros

GIO: 140 euros

Everything is according to the price you pay for it. If you're looking for a device which is great at the "regular" stuff. Does facebook, twitter, calendar and other apps which require low resources then you're "okey" with the GIO. But if you pay a bit more then you can get the SGS which is also good at gaming but if you want the latest and greatest you can buy the SGS2 for 430 euro.

If you're not willing to pay for it you shouldn't be complaining that the device doesn't do games. :)

On the other end of the spectrum, an iPhone 4s 16GB costs 599 euro's which should be excellent at everything it does seeing the price you pay for it.
[General Topics] vnvman:
This sounds perfectly fine to me if you ask me, people love to be able to choose, and not everybody wants to spend a lot of money on a phone. Anyway, this system has drawbacks imho: heavy games (like MC3) will never be perfectly optimized, and will never work pefectly fine, not even on the GS2. When i bought the game i was really disappointed: i had to overclock the gpu @400Mhz in order to have a 100% lag free gameplay, and it still was more like 90%. This just doesn't sound right to me.

Apparently if the BIG software houses actually cared about WP7 this one would have been a very good OS for gaming: no matter what you buy, be it the LG phone you have (which now costs about 140€ here in Italy) or the Titan you could have the same smooth user experience with up to date software and play (mostly) the same games without a single issue, knowing that they're just gonna work: you couldn't get such a consistent user experience throughout the platform on Android, not in a million years.

Anyway, real world is different: Android is now widespread like hell and devs will rather port their iOS games to it despite the fragmentation rather than consider WP7 with its 1% marketshare. It looks like without a game chager like some XBOX phone or some other eye catching gimmick WP7 is doomed in terms of gaming. Too bad (for those who actually care), it could have been great.
[General Topics] I11ma7ic:
Why android is better! 2011 edition

this should give an answer

youtube.com/watch?v=afMDMWWQrhI
[General Topics] GIR:
Actaully I bought the LG for my brother, he doesn't use much of any apps and the only thing he's looking for is basic, simple, elegant and cheap.

The only problem with it that I'm having (and also the biggest complaint about WP7) with it is that it doesn't have any means of storing your contacts localy on the device itself. It's all cloud and internet, something my brother doesn't need, doesn't bother with and it only confuses him when he sees his FB, WLM and regular contacts in one list.
[General Topics] vetvito:
Microsoft is its own enemy. Look at the top games and they will be published through MS Gaming Studios. Bad news for indie developers and start ups.

I may put up my own video of the Nexus S performing superbly.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Certainly, I tried it. I played with it for about half an hour pre-mango and very much enjoyed the build quality. What does this have to do with anything?

Well, since you're falling to 20-24 FPS and the video shows pretty clear lag, wouldn't that just mean that the FPS in the UI has fallen below said 20 FPS? I mean, that's just logical.

The S2 is infinitely smoother than other Android devices. The GS2 added Hardware acceleration over about 80 percent of the UI which was awesome, but not complete.

It's adorable that you've done your research about me, I almost feel violated. Alas, I do all of my browsing from my mobile device now and have no Android devices left having just sold my Nexus S this morning. Visual aids are no longer an option for me for comparisons. My only remaining non-WP7 device is my N9 which is an OS I would have loved to see succeed. It's everything android should be and just as open.