yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] Rob the plumber:
Yeah, it is funny what geeks who probably get beat up in real life do when they get on the internet.
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
rflmao that or they become police
[HTC EVO 3D] joehunni:
Wow, this is the worst thread ever started in the dev section... You tards only make things like this (and xda in general) look worse when you go and publicly question things that are beyond your understanding or control. What mods decided to do to his thread or account isn't something you should be questioning, much less blatantly and openly *****ing about. Let xda govern itself as it should, and stop whining about it.
[HTC EVO 3D] imacyou:
I'm a little curious. This is a forum correct? Aren't you supposed to be able to share your thoughts and ideas with one another? Shouldn't the moderators for this forum do so impartially? People will complain and then there are those of us who will complain about those complaining since we see a value in what has been shared. Since those complaining were able to get him locked out, should not our complaints about him getting locked out not bring him back? Food for Thought!
[HTC EVO 3D] ssojyeti2:
Yeah the whole argument was about that script shown when flashing the rom just being for looks and not actually doing anything. I thought he was a great dev and his deodexed rom is one of my favorites. Hope xda users will learn form this.
[HTC EVO 3D] ktrotter11:
so pretty much a gs2 user complainedbecause ox got a lil creative with the updated script??

If we didn't care then what's the problem..the ROM was pretty beast.. between that and virus I was quite happy getting my flash on
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
i utterly and completely agree..
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
One of the moderator committee banned him for his behaviour in a number of threads he subsequently made. Attempts were made to discuss the matter with him, and he wasn't willing to do so in a reasonable manner.

I know for a fact a number of members saw some of his "outbursts", and were not impressed with his conduct.

XDA doesn't back "misleading" members, which is what this ROM was doing. There were grounds to discuss the matter, but the user in question was not willing to do so, and the case was passed on to be dealt with.

ui_print("Testing EXT4 & NAND Capabilities.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Passed!");

ui_print("Testing Data Storage.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Passed!");

ui_print("Testing Symlinks.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Passed!");

ui_print("Testing Permissions.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Passed!");

ui_print("Testing Current Superuser.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("FAILED!");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Installing Latest Superuser.....");

ui_print("Testing Current BusyBox.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("FAILED!");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Installing Latest BusyBox.....");

ui_print("Testing Kernel Compatibility.....");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Passed!");
ui_print("");
ui_print("Installing Compatible Kernel.....");

If that is not misleading members, I don't know what is... Don't believe everything you may read, focus on the facts and evidence, rather than the speculation and bravado.
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
i focus on the facts, how does someone that dont even own a evo 3d say the rom is garbage, when infact it out performs mostly every other rom out there with no crashes and greater battery life.. i focus on results and performance and whats right for me..

@pulsar thanks for clearing things up though, didnt really know what had happen,
[HTC EVO 3D] novanosis85:
Pundit moderates....
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
Fair enough, but I can say categorically that this is misleading members. If you think it's not misleading, please enlighten me as to how saying "testing", followed by "failed" is in any way honest or upfront. I focus on facts too, and that update script is not full of many facts. Maybe the ROM is wonderful, that's not being questioned.

You guys are flashing this, and it's misleading you in one respect. Where do you draw the line? Honesty and transparency is important, and in this case this is clearly deceptive.

Attempts were made to discuss the matter, but the user in question did not wish to do so. Another mod took action on a number of threads subsequently made, which were abusive and spam.
[HTC EVO 3D] ktrotter11:
Sounds like a bunch of hating to me
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
the updater script really aint important misleading as it may be it aint no different than putting a picture or logo there. in my opinon it just gives you something to look at while rom is being flashed..

wow that sounded noobish... sorry..i didnt read what i typed
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
It's not called hating, it's called looking at facts.

Take a look at the script yourself, and what it does.
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
Well... There's a major difference between showing something like a logo, or piece of ASCII art, and displaying falsified messages on the screen during installation. Did it really check the user's EXT4 partition? Because it's now told them their EXT4 and NAND is OK. If they later have a problem, that's misleading, and fraudulent, because it didn't carry out that check. Likewise for the other ones.

I know you think it's fine to do this, but this is a developer site. That means it encourages development. Perhaps a suitable response to this would be to go and code up suitable checks for the flashing of the ROM, and release a test suite which could be added to a zip, carrying out genuine fsck checks to the partitions, and extracting the current kernel to verify its version?

It's all possible, just it wasn't being done.

Would you be happy if you flashed a ROM saying it was checking your device was compatible, then you ended up with a brick because it flashed an incompatible radio to your device?
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
no i wouldnt, but this rom doesnt flash the radio, most for the evo 3d dont. if i see it has a radio flash i dont flash them for that reason..im just sayin lol..i somewhat agree with you though and i appreciate helping me understand, however i just dont think banning was the answer cause he was a really good dev.. and i honestly think that some jealousy from others was a key factor in this
[HTC EVO 3D] Riff76:
I see the point Pulser is making. The update script does nothing, if anything it deceives you into thinking some tests are being done.

Anyways, Pulser, what are the guidelines regarding people checking out code and making complaints about it? It seems that XDA needs to come out with some kind of policy or a complaint system. Currently, if a dev kangs something and doesn't give credit, it becomes a flamefest on the thread. Its in XDA's interests to moderate these cases better, devs are leaving, like it or not.

In theAndroidOSx's case, it was a flame nuclear war. I don't blame him for not wanting to talk to mods after that, its upsetting to say the least. The flames against him have the same point you are trying to make in this thread but at the same time they were abusive.

Yes I saw the multiple threads he started which were aimed at you. Those were uncalled for. We all know there is a crackdown on abuse here but abuse doesn't seem to have a clear definition across the board anymore.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
seems pretty reasonable that the mods made attempts to discuss the matter with the dev and if/when he was unwilling to discuss it, they had to take other actions.

Whats sad is that this was over a simple script that did absolutely nothing but show false things. I would of thought if this was by accident or the dev trying things out that when approached about it they would of simply stated so and made a note in the OP or changed it.

Makes no sense why you would want to fight back over a script that did nothing unless you might of wanted to be missleading to some extent...

i just dont get why when approached on the subject that you could want to argue back over it in any sense of the way...

whole thing could of been solved and over with in a matter of sec if the Dev handled it differently.
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
Whatever !! Just so everyone is real clear, pulser was the one who closed the thread. Which led to the dev getting pissed, and brought about the ban. pulser you are nit picking...and were'nt you involved in the whole Chad fiasco as well?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Ideally id have to assume that when dev's have an issue with other dev's work to any extent the following should be done:

1) PM the Dev bringing up your issue

2) if no response from a few PM's , then report the thread or PM a Mod with complaint

3)wait and let the mod's handle it and get back to you and keep the forum clean of the flame war in the mean time

4)if the answer you get back from the first Mod is not to your liking, PM another you respect and when they get back to you respect their decision on the whole thing and move on.

you should never take to other dev's threads imho as all that does is cause mroe drama thats not needed, esp when 99.99999% of the time things can be handled easily behind the scenes.
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
the so called attempt to talk with him was AFTER pulser closed the thread, Lame tactic...besides we are talking updater script...What's next oooh, bootanimation leads you to think......???

You're a mod, misleading too, cause you acted like a jealous child.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
dude chill. Pulsar is prolly one of the most straight up fair mods you'll see here.

he's not nit picking at all, you close a thread temp to stop the flame war going on while you try to handle the issue on the side and clean things up. Just like any other thread that gets out of control in the dev section, it gets closed and cleaned and re-opened after. Its no disrespect to the Dev when they close the thread, its them wanting to stop the BS posting going on, and handle the issue directly with the Dev.

---------- Post added at 12:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:28 PM ----------

Pulsar wasn't the one that initially brought up the claim that it was a false script. The other Dev's jumped in the guys thread and started the flaming before pulsar even got involved. Only then was the thread closed once pulsar saw the BS fight inside the dev thread and tried to handle the issue outside of the thread. Which was the correct thing to do.
[HTC EVO 3D] b-reezy:
Why do you think developers are jumping to rootzwiki.

Oh& I meant no disrespect by this. As I love the developers and development that goes on here. But I've experienced the mods and they don't care whether your rom is the best or worst. Rules are rules.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
only b/c there less overall users and in turn less crap BS posts in their threads and less BS thats caused overall.
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
"How about less of the nonsense, and more of the actual development? This isn't development, this is called making pretty pictures in recovery... Anyone can do it. This is a development forum, how about some ACTUAL development, rather than placebo based nonsense?"

Doesn't seem so Fair to me...do we or do we not have Beats, usb host, locations and the other things mentioned by the dev?

But nit picking what is displayed on the screen during flashing and closing the thread to find out whats going on?? It's the equiv.. of using BIOS bootanimation, What needs to be looked at closer?
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
FYI Chad and I had a pretty good chat on gtalk, and there were issues there which can't be made public for various reasons.

That's all resolved :) And I'm sure he'd be happy to confirm. There's matters outstanding that he's raised which will be looked into in due course, to do with others' compliance with GPL too, but that's unrelated to the matter at hand right now.
[HTC EVO 3D] jayharper08:
This. I've been around a while and seen members come and go. If everyone goes over to rootz, what do you think is going to happen there? The same flamefests and wars that goes on here.

Bottom line, there are rules and guidelines for a reason, if you don't abide by them, then that's where the moderation comes in. Pulser is one of the best and most knowledgeable moderators on xda. Like it was stated by him, an attempt to talk to him behind the scenes was done, and the dev chose to deal with it in an unprofessional manner. That's not the mods fault.

---Jay---
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
I just didn't understand why the mod was thanking some of the flamers for their flames in the topic? That seemed biased and childish to me. I see everyone's point on the matter that has been discussed in here, to be honest, I never read that crap while it's flashing and I never seen where he claimed an updater script doing anything? (unless I missed it) Like mentioned earlier it could have been for future updates or maybe code that was forgotten. Even so, it did NOT hurt anything and the way those guys reacted over it was absolutely pathetic. Then his post gets locked before (or it seems/seemed) the guy can even defend himself. If AndroidosX didn't want to chat is one thing, but how the flaming went down and the mod jumped right on board is just disturbing. :/
[HTC EVO 3D] Bear gri11z:
Xda has the best layout and user support when kids are not eraging and being arrogant

Mods on here seem a bit like false gods....

I dunno I didn't get to see the threads the dev. Made mocking/insulting the mods but its kinda like a Cuban prison on xda.... Follow suit or be "whipped" (used by a mod in the touchpad forum"

He said he would still develop and continue to update his roms (dont know if I should link to their site as he is locked)

No real need to make another thread about it....it won't bring him back... If you liked his work support his movement and follow him...
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
Well when is due time.....You wasted none here in the 3d forum twice....either jump on them all in a timely manner...or appear to be excercising favoritism, you jumped too quickly onto closing the olympus thread....Go ahead...check out the rom, realize we have REAL things going on in the rom, you overlooked that and basically called him a hack

I.E

"How about less of the nonsense, and more of the actual development? This isn't development, this is called making pretty pictures in recovery... Anyone can do it. This is a development forum, how about some ACTUAL development, rather than placebo based nonsense?"
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
RE making complaints RE code, there isn't a hard-and-fast rule on it, but it should ideally be done via PM. The trouble is that staff at XDA are not on here as their full-time job, and can't spend hours per day chasing up "he said, she said, he did, he didn't" stories, which lead nowhere :( If there was a good solution RE crediting/kanging, I'd be keen to hear thoughts (feel free to drop me a PM if this is something that pisses you off, as I hate it too)

Unfortunately there are times where a little maturity is needed to resolve a situation, and when that is lacked, someone else just has to take decisive action.

Though I would add that in my experience, 99% of any kind of "flame battles" have resulted from something the "developer" did knowingly, with a less than clear intent.

I won't name names, to avoid restarting old battles, but most flames I've seen resulted from kanging, stealing, refusing to attribute credits, or just blatantly lying about something (like capabilities or what something does). That's why honesty and integrity is important, especially if publicly posting something which others will trust to run on their phones.
[HTC EVO 3D] pulser_g2:
Thanks button is next to my edit and quote buttons. Trust me, if I could hide it, I would.
[HTC EVO 3D] Tilde88:
lmaoooo you are way behind... XDA died months ago, its why we only post to troll :)
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
lol its a conspiracy to get rid of beats audio..lol
[HTC EVO 3D] DoctorComrade:
Whenever I see threads like this I'm internally thinking 'zzzz'
[HTC EVO 3D] siraloz:
» theAndroidDosX's updater script - FAIL!

» theAndroidDosX sharing ROM that users like - WINNING!

» Recognized Developers (without E3D) bullying other - FAIL!

» Mods handling of the situation - FAIL!

» theAndroidDosX's reaction to Mod action - FAIL!

Calling someone retarded is public defamation at the least, and I am sure against xda policy. It's sad to see that recognized developers and senior members resorting to such insensitive despicable acts. We'd expect something better from such "public figures".

In the end, it's both the xda and its users who end up losing in the debacle.

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[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
Laugh it up...but realize that AGAIN a bunch of sgsII users have come over and had their way in OUR forum. I think its HTC vs Samsung.....With the whole ciq thing and alot of development...HTC is in the news...I can't think of a story that focused around the SGS...

Something is going on !!
[HTC EVO 3D] soldier6981a:
i think that there is favortism going on, and there is no need for mods to publicly critisize devs in open forurm is very unprofessional and degrading, they taught us this thing in the military called tact. look it up.. anyways if we were to go to sgs forums and do what was done here(dont do this) it would only result in us being banned i feel.. all in all i think this could have been handled differently in way that was beneficial to everyone
[HTC EVO 3D] petermg:
funny how flaming is clearly against the rules yet how often are people banned for flaming? So people are, for the most part, allowed to flame on and my conclusion is that these forums are filled with mostly angry teens. Members are so eager to flame and they get away with it. For example there is, contrary to popular belief, NO WRITTEN RULE against posting a question thread in the dev section, but if you do it you will be flamed and some people even claim there is such a rule when in fact no such written rule exists. Yet they are allowed to flame, which IS clearly against the rules, while claiming its over a rule violation that doesn't exist. Over at PPCGeeks they actually do have that as a written rule, but not here. I used his ROM and thought it was great. Mods are just people, you have some good ones who are fair and others who are bullies. Just like anyone in a positron of power, but I agree that often they seem like nerds who got beat up if they appear to be unfair in their dealings. They need to remember how their dealing will affect the community, like with this thread as a response to banning a developer of a popular ROM. Personally I don't see his "deceptive" script as anything other than at best entertaining and at worst silly rather than dangerously misleading.
[HTC EVO 3D] kaijura:
Wow, I see a lot of back seat moderating in here. People are getting fussed up.

It all started when I think it was the dev who figured out how to port CDMA roms to the GSM Evo3d that figured it out. Someone suggested to port Olympus to GSM, and he saw the code, and he asked the ANDROIDosX to do a better job than deceiving people. A bunch of haters soon joined it, trolled it out of proportions and it exploded.

The way I see it, the moderator team discussed it and someone went forward to question ANDROIDosX, asking him to work on removing or updating the code so it doesn't give a placebo effect. ANDROIDosX either didn't comply or gave them the middle finger, so they put him down until he decides to fix his misleading stuff then he'd be welcomed back.
[HTC EVO 3D] Bear gri11z:
It's the Russians...... What are you talking about... Not HTC vs Samsung.....

Or media vs HTC

Your conspiracy theory sucks
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
Ok, totally original user name guy. In Russia, Dog walks You !
[HTC EVO 3D] #Winning#:
Obviously no one who has posted here saw the things posted by the dev after his thread was locked...

From what I understand the thread was locked to discuss removal of the script or fixing things so they weren't misleading(I am not saying they were either way).

The thing that most of you are missing is that the dev shortly after decided to post multiple threads in the CDMA Dev. section. In short the content of these was: "F@#K YOU PULSER", "F?$K XDA" and a few other irrelevant things.

Instead of criticizing the mods for the actions taken you should realize they tried to be fair and the dev wasn't having it. By the looks of it he was banned/disabled due to the fact he chose to take the initiative post harassing threads in the dev section, not over the script.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but the finger has been pointed at the mods throughout this thread while the dev handled things in a very immature manner.
[HTC EVO 3D] chlehqls:
The real question is, what prompted the SGS2 developers and fans to mock him? I'm going to assume it was from discussing a port of some sort and they in turn mocked him for the placebo updater script?

I never was a fan of his ROMs but there (I'm sure it already happened) should infractions to all those involved in flaming and prolonging the drama inside that thread. It was one of the most illogical and irrational display of behavior since the Anthrax drama.
[HTC EVO 3D] louforgiveno:
just FYI, the dev has recently been going through some personal hardships and had just returned to xda. Maybe he was rash, but how well would you deal with the situation? I mean real life is real, and to do something like make a rom and share it without asking for anything...then get blasted over something as trivial as an updater script, well I'd guess a bunch of us might blow a fuse. It really is a miracle that we have been able to retain Chad...Nothing in the OP pointed to some undelivered asset period. What a waste of energy to cry foul over an UPDATER SCRIPT.

Bottom line the dev was dealing with a bunch of more crucial things, and for the sake of the users was trying to stay involved.
[HTC EVO 3D] kaijura:
Nah, it was the GSM Evo3d dev (ybinnenweg) who found it first to my knowledge. A few days ago he figured out how to mildly, port CDMA roms to GSM . Someone asked him to do Olympus. He saw, he smirked, he posted.

The guy from the SGS2 just happened to appear at the right time.
[HTC EVO 3D] raptoro07:
I don't wish to stoke the flame, but there is one thing that has bothered me with this latest flame war. What are SGSII users doing posting lots of stuff in the EVO 3D forums? Are EVO 3D users going into SGSII and flaming the devs in their forums? I personally never look in any forum that is not for my current phone (Except the Sensation forums because of Sense 3.0 themes and apps). I believe with goodman the complainants were Senseation developers which I can kind of understand due to device similarities. I am not suggesting other phone users not be allowed to view or even post in other phones forums, but if you do not own, have never owned, or have nothing relevent or helpful to add, why fill up a thread with flaming. Can't we all just get along :)