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[Android General] deepen915:
yeah that sounds good.. And I don't care about the media net plan. I want NO DATA on the line, just the way the P500 currently is. She has no need for a data plan. Do you have any specific suggestions of a phone under $150? I want something 4inches and up with Android 4.1 or higher.
[Android General] ErieTrack:
I had the same thing happen to me on my N8 several months ago. :(

It's too bad cuz it was a cool little phone. I switched to the Android

Razrs and haven't had any problems since.

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You're gonna have to get a different phone. Once you get popped for a smartphone

plan, you will continue getting popped if you use the same phone. Try not to get popped

to often cuz they start getting weird about switching you back to the medianet plan. ;)
[Android General] Alucard400:
Canadian HTC Sensation still going strong on medianet!

Never use T mobile phones. only foreign phones are safe now (if they're not Samsung or Google Nexus phones)
[Android General] deepen915:
so can anyone give me recommendations as to what phones are not flagged by AT&T as Smartphones? I want NO DATA and NO MEDIANET.
[Android General] sucsss:
Then any smartphone will work. Make sure you add data block beforehand.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Who said medianet was capped at 7.2mb/s? I just did a speed test and i got 13-14mb/s consistently

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] kaijura:
I've never gotten that high. I think medianet is capped to around somewhere within 12-15mbps, just reading around. For people sporting older phones like 2010ish and hence older chipsets, there are modem limitations and that caps out at HSDPA 7.2mbps
[Android General] redsrule2500:
True...it is only when tethering
[Android General] 2chens:
XT890 Flagged or NO?

I am wondering if anyone knows if the Motorola XT890 is currently flagged or no? Let me know thanks
[Android General] kaijura:
It should work. I've seen someone else use it before. If you're unsure just try it out and test it, I don't think the Moto Razr I are expensive no?
[Android General] phantomsniper773:
Is "Unlimited Data for Non-Smartphones" grandfathered now?

Hey, does anyone know if this data plan is now grandfathered? I called AT&T to cancel my data plan and add a data block, because I need to use a spare AT&T smartphone for a couple weeks while my current Razr M is in repair. When I called, the CS rep told me the plan I have is grandfathered, and if I cancel now, I can't get it back at a later date. I tried finding more information online, and this is all I could find. Based on my understanding of it, it looks like I should be fine since I've had a family plan for the last several years. Any ideas?
[Android General] zgar:
Giving up medianet

Have been using Gnex on medianet but my phone is dying. Talked with AT&T retention and they're offering a Note 3 for 150 and 300mins/unlimited txt/3GB data for 70. That's within what I normally, so not worried with losing the 500 rollover mins/1500 txt/unlimited data.

Was planning to buy unlocked Note 3 and switching to Straighttalk but the AT&T offer had enough discounts that I'll stick with AT&T for the next 2 yrs.

Had a good run with medianet for 7 yrs!
[Android General] kaijura:
The important thing is you are grandfathered in what particularly? If it was the iPhone unlimited plan that should entitle you to unlimited data on any smartphone
[Android General] phantomsniper773:
No, I've only ever had this unlimited data for non-smartphones plan. Apparently they increased the price to $30/mo instead of $15, so I'm basically grandfathered for the $15/mo price apparently. This is according to two of the CS reps I spoke with over the phone.
[Android General] lloydhugo:
Sony Xperia Z1 and Nexus 5 flagged?

Hi everyone, been following this thread for a while and now decided to post since someone hasn't mentioned anything about the Xperia Z1.

Has anyone ever heard of the Sony Xperia Z1 getting flagged on Att's imei database using the model 6903? (that model works on US 4G bands), I plan to get this phone and definitely don't want a data plan.

Also, I'm aware Nexus phones will eventually get detected by at&t and the Nexus 5 won't be the exception, but a friend of mine got a Nexus 4 from google play store in March without an at&t data plan, he hasn't been caught since then. He didn't really do anything to his phone, you guys think he's been lucky? Anyway just wanted to say this to let you know that it is still possible to have a Nexus phone and not get caught into at&t's sweep.

Any inputs will be appreciated :)
[Android General] kaijura:
Sounds like you have the medianet unlimited plan for non smartphones. It's still available now at $15 a month (details on first page) but perhaps you are on the single line plan. I think they want you to upgrade to a "known smartphone" , so that is $30/3gb.
[Android General] kaijura:
Almost every phone, regardless of detected or not detected status will work if mobile data is disabled. Have AT&T implement a data block on the line. There are people running Galaxy S3 and S4,etc without data plans.
[Android General] sumeet909:
For now
[Android General] archedrapier:
So you are saying if I buy a Nexus 5 and get a "dumb" phone on at&t's network and block the data I can have a nexus 5 on At&t without a data plan?
[Android General] kaijura:
Yes, pretty much.

1) get an AT&T dumb phone plan without Internet/data plan.

2) Ask CSR to put a data block on the line

3) buy desired smartphone

4) Swap sim card from dumb phone to smart phone.

4a) you may need a microsim/minisim/nanosim depending on the device, so if your dumb phone sim is larger then

a) you need to cut it or

b) you need to go to att store to exchange for the right size

c) or order it on Amazon or eBay and do the transfer process

5) you are on your (smartphone name here) without data on AT&T's network

That's as simple as it gets, should work with most Android phones. Might or might not work with Apple, no experience there.
[Android General] fusion5ny:
with this method, what stops AT&T's system from automatically reactivating the smartphone data plan as soon as they detect a smartphone in the same way they automatically add a smartphone data plan when u switch from an old phone on a non-smartphone data plan to a new smartphone?
[Android General] kaijura:
The sweeps are based on data use, even if just for a second to a minute. When you don't use data, you don't get added to smartphone plans. The CSR data block is the sure way to prevent it.

An easy way to test this, turn on data block thru mobile settings on a known detected phone (not on account) and use for a few weeks or month without data. Then turn on the data and wait for the sweep /message telling you that you are on a limited data plan. If you turn off the data and turn it on when you need it, you might be able to avoiding sweeps but the odds are against you. I've gotten detected within a minute after tapping mobile data on.
[Android General] fusion5ny:
this info is great because it opens the door for people that don't need data and shouldn't be throwing money away from it if they just want the other functions of a new smartphone plus wifi...thanks a lot i hope you're right
[Android General] belovedson:
Can I get an updated list
[Android General] fusion5ny:
what i'm still having trouble getting is....let's say u switch from a dumb phone to a smartphone that ATT can recognize...doesn't it figure out which phone u are using based on IMEI number sweeps? so once they see u have a smartphone they will add a data plan whether u have data blocked or not? since the phone is connecting to make calls on their network if it's a known phone they can see the IMEI? unless u are saying that somehow they cannot see a recognized known phone IMEI number if u had a previous data block on that line and also have data turned off on the smartphone when u put the sim card in and use it?
[Android General] kaijura:
There is a step/hierarchy system the plan sweep works with.

1) Is the phone using data?

No > Ignore this user, do not add data plans

Yes > Go to 2

2) Perform IMEI lookup, is this a recognized smartphone in AT&T Database?

No > Check if user is assigned data plan. If user has data plan, continue with existing plan. If not, then assign dumbphone data plan (or in rare cases, continue smartphone plan on "dumb" phone since the user didn't switch to dumbphone plan)

Yes > Automatically assign $30/3GB data plan and send user confirmation notice thru text & email.

You can always test this out yourself to get the idea of how it works with a flagged smartphone... Note that this sweep diagram isn't the same way that OLAM updates phone information.
[Android General] fusion5ny:
ok thanks for the feedback...hopefully i will try this soon
[Android General] augustus2010:
Next time only speak/advise if you know for sure. At least iphone will be flagged even if you enable data block
[Android General] sucsss:
orly?
[Android General] greenxyz:
Is Moto X for T-Mobile on the list for AT&T?
[Android General] ClearD:
Safe bet that it's flagged. Most new T-Mobile devices are flagged.

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[Android General] greenxyz:
Um has anyone had experience with this phone on AT&T?
[Android General] ClearD:
The above quote is the way new phones go between T-Mobile and AT&T. That's from page 155, but it's been discussed prior.

Not sure why you phrased your question like that, as I answered you, but new T-Mobile phones are quickly being flagged on AT&T. If it isn't right now, it will be shortly. If you're buying one one for the long run attempting to use the medianet plan, you should consider a different device or buy a moto x from a different country imported, and you may have a shot.

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[Android General] faraband:
Still using the LG 4x HD with a dumbphone data plan, barely even use it. But I am looking for a secondary phone for our plan. LG p880 4X HD is pretty good, just want something different perhaps. Is there an updated list to see what other options there are?
[Android General] lloydhugo:
Thanks! I did block data and no issues so far. However, I recently messed up my sim card (long story), and I will definitely need to get a new one from at&t. I'm aware you can keep your number but, do you think I will have to go through all the hassle of calling them from a dumb phone to block my data again? Since I'm not too sure if they need to add a new line when getting a different sim card.

Thanks!

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Iphones and HTCs (except for the google edition ones) are always detected even when adding data block for some reason. My guess is because Iphones are way too popular and Apple and at&t are like "partners" you can say, and I'm sure apple constantly provides IMEIs to at&t to add them on their IMEI database. Then again, it's just a guess. The trick MIGHT work if you buy an Iphone from abroad.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
I was using an HTC droid dna with data block and it worked perfectly ,im back to using a droid 3 with the medianet plan tho because i need data for GPS.

I plan to get a Motorola Razr xt910 ,seems like the best overall phone for use on medianet.
[Android General] :
Instead of putting a data block on the line, can you use a fake APN on the phone for data with the correct APN for MMS that way MMS still works and data doesn't?
[Android General] bedwa:
No way, no how.

MMS may only go through the MMS servers, but are still sent through the Data gateways. Thus they are also subject to the same data IMEI checks.
[Android General] ClearD:
Yeah, this is unfortunately confirmed. We had our T-Mobile Sensation running exactly this way. It'd only connect to data for MMS, and had a dummy APN for everything else. It was still detected.
[Android General] bedwa:
Yeah. I worked in an AT&T call center from Oct 2007 - May 2012. All phones with known IMEI sequences will be tagged through data usage, I phones will also be tagged through calls as they have a secondary sweep.

The more obscure the device the better. IMO.
[Android General] k2spy04:
:good:
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Anyone know if the Moto G will work with this plan?

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] redneck_666:
Seconded.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
Has anyone used the Razr i on the medianet plan?

Seems like a decent phone that can be found for a good price.
[Android General] lovem:
Anyone currently on VZN NOTE 3 OR S 4 & loving it on this plan?
[Android General] redsrule2500:
I really do not know what phone to get; currently using Verizon Droid 3, but it doesn't have the ability to use call forwarding on AT&T.

So now, what phone to upgrade to....
[Android General] bedwa:
That's the same with the Bionic, along with any custom AOSP ROM doesn't have working touch tones, but if all else fails, use an old Nokia to setup forwarding or call Customer Care to have them set it up.

I'll let you guys know if the Blu Studio 5.0s works (wife's Christmas present) and the Neptune Pine works when I have both in hand.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
Any feedback yet :D

I'm looking into possibly purchasing a lesser known device ,like something from Blue or iOcean but I wonder if they can tether.

Anyone have any recommendations?
[Android General] bedwa:
Blu Studio 5.0 s works fine both with wired and wireless. It's 4.1.2 and rootable through fastboot/aio Flasher.

Good phone for the cost.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
thanks for the reply.

So those blue studio phones should have no issues with tethering and using medianet ?

right now,my droid 3 is my only source of internet so i gotta tether off it when im at home ,need something that is reliable.
[Android General] bedwa:
It works better streaming through our Roku at the moment than my Droid Bionic does on stock. Works well with USB tethering as well. I'm looking into diving up source and if all else fails, I'm trying to make OC modules.
[Android General] kaijura:
Can personally confirm it is working.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Seems my p880 lg 4x HD has been flagged today........
[Android General] kaijura:
Not fun news to hear. Wonder what else just got added.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Big day for ATT, my HTC desire hd no longer works either. Wow, 2 in one day. Never seen that before. And no its not my account, because my 5 other phones are working fine......
[Android General] ctomgee:
I'm curious as to your usage habits on those two phones. (the HTC Desire HD and the Optimus 4x HD)

Do you tend to use a lot of data per month on either of those two devices? (over 5 GB?)
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I am on the gophone unlimited plan, and have 6 phones that i switch out often. I used the 4x hd a fair bit. Probably use 6 to 8 gigs a month.

So when i say flagged, i dont get a text, they jusy dont work anymore.
[Android General] ctomgee:
That is interesting info, but gophone plans are different from medianet, I believe.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Yes, they are somewhat different, but working devices are the same.......
[Android General] ellecsor:
So if I have data block on one of my lines right now and want to switch to a Nokia Lumia 520, will AT&T automatically add a data plan? I don't want any data at all. I'm having a hard time finding a decent phone that doesn't require a data plan.
[Android General] ctomgee:
I find that curious, because I have the Optimus, and I am on a MediaNet plan, and I have not had any issues with my plan, nor have I been flagged yet, apparently. Everything still works.
[Android General] powerdude:
I was wondering if someone can confirm from what I gathered here...

I recently switched to a AT&T Mobile Share Plan from a Family Share Plan. I have 1 smartphone and 2 featured phones (both data locked) in the plan. Lets say I want to upgrade one of the featured phone to a smartphone. If I can verify with AT&T that the featured phone is still data locked, I can put the SIM card into the new smartphone and it'll still be considered a "featured phone"?
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Wierd, you know, I have had phones get flagged, bought another of the same model, and everything worked fine. go figure.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
im almost decided on a Blue Studio 5.3 s but not 100% sure.

Anyone have any experience with this phone? A search on here does not turn up much.

There are the bands it can use : GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz

UMTS 850 / 1900 MHz

Does that mean it can use HSPA+ ?
[Android General] ctomgee:
On AT&T? Yes.
[Android General] eriekr:
Great
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
ive read on a few sites that the medianet speed never go over 7.2mb,is this true?
[Android General] ctomgee:
I've gotten as high as 12.6 mb down, but also as low as under 1mb. It just depends on your location.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Trying to stream data on the go is challenging too. I noticed on my train commute, loading a YouTube clip is almost impossible.

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
anyone familiar with lenovo phones being used ?

this one looks pretty decent for the price , i wonder if it can go unflagged... http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Leno...-MSM8225Q-1-2GHz-4-5-inch/1385900725.html?s=p
[Android General] cloud_171:
I am trying to achieve something similar with an obscure Chinese brand 3G router and was hoping someone here might know more about these settings. I've tried several other APN settings I found online with no luck. I do know he device supports 850/1900MHz and does properly see the signal, but just never fully connects.

EDIT: Success! Just had to put 99***1# as the dial number
[Android General] gtmaster303:
I am VERY interested to see how this works. Let me know what kind of speeds you get. Keep me updated

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] bedwa:
A general rule of thumb is that you can use any instructions for dialup connection with old AT&T phones, replacing the ISP.cingular or broadband with WAP.Cingular so that you are connected to the right gateway.

Please let us know how it goes.
[Android General] bedwa:
Sorry guys. Blasted mobile chrome double post. Ugh...
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
LG e973 optimus g from Canada does not work. Bummer.
[Android General] Endlessknight:
I've been using this

http://www.option.com/support/globesurfer-iii-2

for over 2 years on medianet
[Android General] Endlessknight:
Varies greatly based on time of day. I believe the units theoretical max is 7.2MB/s down but the most I ever get is about 4.8MB/s late at night. Probably would hit near the max if I was closer to a tower.
[Android General] sumeet909:
I too have noticed high speeds at night. It slows down significantly during traffic rush-hour. I used a public bus once on way to NY from DC with significant traffic, speed slowed to 1.8 MB/s on average as the highway was packed with traffic, but I was able to stream Netflix just fine, YouTube app had some hiccups though. Another thing I've noticed with ATT's HSPA+ Network is that your ping speeds are worst affected with traffic, so you can't jump in and out of multimedia apps. All this was using HTC Radar 4G which doesn't work with MediaNet now.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Do you have any problems streaming data? When I tether my phone, streaming video and downloads can cut out at times. Wondering if a dedicated router would have the same problem...

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] Endlessknight:
Yeah there's some issues with YouTube on the PC that's hardwired to the router but oddly enough other devices don't seem to have a problem The Roku, the nexus 10 and the laptop all play YouTube vids fine, the Roku is also hardwire, the tablet and the laptop use Wifi.

If you live in a area that has reasonably prices broadband access I would advise against going this route. Unfortunately I live in a small remote town that only has limited broadband access that cost a fortune.
[Android General] kaijura:
Learned some new things recently pertaining to how the JTAG-IMEI relationship works for educational purposes.

Apparently certain (if not all) HTC devices could have their IMEI's "fixed" (aka REPAIRED in the legal sense) only requiring S-OFF/unlocked bootloaders and a fastboot command (referencing post 4). I haven't personally tested it, since I do not own any. Someone else in here who is daring, could give it a try if curious. A google search shows that it also seems to pertain to One X, and the most recent m7 One.

Make sure to make a backup of your appropriate device partitions.

I think I also recall someone else in here asking how to repair a broken IMEI. Recently octoplus released a step by step process in this video on how it's done for a Nexus 4.
[Android General] kaijura:
Lastly, some of us talked about how some phones were not getting tagged while other of the same models were - remember when the i9100/i9100m's started getting tagged last year?

Well, the explanation can be simple, it has to do with the MFG-desinated IMEI after the device is produced and leaves the factory. Each phone (let's say S2) is assigned an IMEI, and it is assumed this number just keeps increasing in the base IMEI after the TAC, which is the first 8 numbers. The later numbers of the TAC change when the amount of possible numbers are depleted.

After the discovery of how many LG Nexus 4 production units there were, someone here put two and two together that the TAC changes after the millionth unit (see this post) and so far is seems legitimate.

Using that logic, if the other big manufacturers are following a similar model, it only makes sense for AT&T to tag the TAC IMEI of the database most current to them, which would be most of the older production units. Newer ones after each 'database upgrades' would not be added until a later point in time, or unless the device's IMEI algorithm is changed.

But somehow I still think AT&T doesn't use IMEI algorithms per say, they are probably using wildcards for each device:

Galaxy S2 i9100 database at launch: none

Galaxy S2 i9100 first original database: 35937114*

Galaxy S2 i9100 revise database late 2013: 35937114*, 35937115*

This is not an accurate representation, just to illustrate what I think the flagging/detection system is.
[Android General] bedwa:
110% spot on except replace your asterisk with a range from seven 0s to seven 9s.

There was a database when I was still there and it was starting to add some of the euro Samsung's such as the 9100 as I was leaving in May of 2012.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Lol, that's exactly what I was thinking about... ready to cut my cable, phone, and internet provider off. $150 a month is not acceptable

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] sumeet909:
How can you hardwire PC as well as tether over wifi simultaneously?
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Never said I did

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] Endlessknight:
Try $99 plus about $20 in taxes for 7Mbit DSL, with or without landline.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
im using medianet as my main source of internet and speeds at night are usually around 5.5mb,sometimes faster.

I can stream and even download torrents pretty fast. ive racked up about 40gb net usage this month alone.

i was paying $30 for att uverse and the speeds were not even up to par with medianet,$10 for unlimited net is a steal.

only thing that sucks is im using a droid 3 which is an ok phone but i want something newer...

ive narrowed it down to a blu studio 5.3s,a razr xt910 or possible a razr maxx hd but i dont know if the maxx hd has been flagged. Anyone know?
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
I'd get a xiaomi mi2s or a oppo phone. Both phones are nice and if you don't like miui or oppo color ROM you can always run cygenomod. And these phones will never get flagged. You can get a new 32gb xiaomi mi2s with a 720 screen snapdragon 600 and 2gb of ram for about $300 new. Pretty good deal I'd say. I have the older version mi2 and am really happy with it.