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[Android General] joecool1029:
So far so good on my HD2 and Ion. From what another guy said they run sweeps once a month, I think twice that day to raise odds for flagging. One of them seems to hit my account around 4AM in the morning. Scratch that, checked my records, can hit anytime. A Dell Streak flagged on the arc/ion line on July 17th afternoon, after only using the phone for a couple hours to test it. My sister's line flagged for the Xperia U on the 4th of this month in this evening. Finally the HD2 flagged on the 15th in the morning.

I used to run a data block on my sister's iphone before I booted her from acct and it would always readd data.

I registered a gophone on my HD2's line with the rep. That might be a factor, I gave them the HD2 IMEI to try at first and it came up as an HTC Inspire. My Ion is on the same line the Arc was before, the X10 Mini Pro before that, and the K850i before that (and is what they have on file). I have never purchased a subsidized phone from them.

If it flags again I'm leaving for T-Mobile. In the meanwhile I'm going to try to use as much data as I can possibly use to protest. If you're paying more than $35/month per line for unlimited data, you're doing it wrong. Data prices are crashing even with inflation of the dollar. Setting up a double standard on devices should be illegal, it's the equivalent of having your home ISP charge you triple because you have a gaming rig instead of a netbook and yet they provide the same level of service.

Also, I use SIP to route over 90% of my calls, AT&T has been flaky as can be, lots of lag and choppiness. Rogers in Canada always seems to work fine as long as I have signal (even on their SpeakOut MVNO calling through a VPN tunnel). Oh and I pay $10/month for 2GB there and yet their telcos are even more backward than the US's with huge ETF's and 3yr contracts.

With all of the above being taken into account the only legal distinction that should be made on device access are to which price you pay and to which APN they are allowed and to which technologies (edge, hspa, lte). I'll continue to pay out the ass for new devices and find the cheapest service to use to feed them.

TL;DR: Screw you AT&T.
[Android General] sucsss:
Anybody use a white i9100m safely?
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

Haven't tried a white one, but still using a black one.
[Android General] Alucard400:
Interesting stuff you mention there. I recently put back the sim on my older HTC phone that I got from Telus. I want to see if it gets flagged. I used it for the longest time before upgrading to a newer smartphone*. The newer smartphone got flagged after 4 months of use. If AT&T flags it, I will either have two lines (keep the AT&T voice only account) and get a $30/month t mobile unlimited data/texting 100 mins. It would be a hassle to have two phones plus one tablet! But I can make one phone as my work phone and the T mobile line my personal. I grandfathered an old AT&T voice plan that I want to keep. I could also just sulk it and get a subsidized phone by contract and be happy with 3GB. I hardly use 1.5GB a month even on heavy browsing/youtubing/downloads.
[Android General] nemoah:
just had my sgs4g stolen last month. Looking to get another, more updated phone. could i get the list, please?
[Android General] PewterL31:
thanks for the list
[Android General] joecool1029:
I should note that I picked up a T-Mobile sim today and threw on $30 just to see how it stacks up against medianet. Signal is horrible, no 3G in the house, I haven't driven anywhere nearby to see. I expect at the office it should be fine. However, when it does get signal the speed is much improved from AT&T (3.5mbits/1.5mbits in a fringe area, best on at&t with full bars at night is in that area) and the latency is much lower (20-30ms instead of 150ms average of at&t). Added bonus is ipv6 works too on the network. Still not decided on the switch yet.
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

I'd rather switch to H2o or Straight Talk before I go back to T-Mobile. Their service has too many dread spots and 2G only areas.
[Android General] sumeet909:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

List pleast.
[Android General] misterrager:
list please x2. must find new medianet phone.
[Android General] joecool1029:
Lol returned T-Mobile prepaid, service was very slow at the office, no signal at the house. The best part was calling in to get the refund on only using 3 days of service. "Uh sir, you have $320 past due, how will you be paying?" "Excuse me? I activated a prepaid line." "Whoops" Finally after getting transferred through 6 or 7 people (and getting dropped twice), they refunded my CC (every time they transfer calls it cuts the call quality in half).

Back to AT&T, still no flags *crosses fingers*

EDIT: I just keep hoping that because my Ion is "Intended for France" it'll get missed.

EDIT2: If you work at T-Mobile and are reading this, I have a good amount of land and have been approached by Verizon before for putting a tower up, PM me if you're interested in filling the dead spot in my town. Also fix your damn call center lines, after getting transferred a few times it sounds worse than a 2way radio.
[Android General] hotwildfire:
I got flagged on Blaze 4G after 4 months

I got bumped up to a smartphone plan on the galax s blaze then switched to a t989. att reported these as being the same phones in their database. interesting
[Android General] yangar:
I too would love that list thanks!
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

If anyone hasn't received the list, message me.
[Android General] shsplaying:
Update on my Xperia S

My Xperia S is working ok. Not flagged. No MSGs from ATT. also went through my billing cycle just ok without any hiccup.
[Android General] sheik124:
Xperia P got tagged for a friend of mine this week. They gave up and bought an Xperia TL.

I've been rocking mediaNET since I had my at&t Blackjack II. I am the only person I know who still hasn't been tagged. My Galaxy Nexus mysteriously stopped working about a week before the sweep, and for some reason, my release date 850 MHz Nexus One is still under the radar with a friend.

Long live mediaNET.
[Android General] Zaiaku:
My Note 2 still working and still not flagged.

My galaxy s2 and galaxy s3, desire z; droid 3 (gsm) still not flagged but hopefully selling those off soon.
[Android General] sk337sk337:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

Trade ya my 4x for that s3 :)
[Android General] sk337sk337:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

I was about 6 months ago. Just a black now
[Android General] Zaiaku:
I can't take any more phones; got way too many and clearing out space now.
[Android General] shsplaying:
I'd like to ask a question.

Based on posts from members, we can try to infer something.

3-4 months back, as long as the phones weren't ATT-branded (most time), we were good to go but a lot of international and non-ATT phones getting flagged. This tells us ATT started using something different to detect users like us. it could be their access to new IMEI DB and/or IMEI sweep.

People claimed the phones getting flagged around their billing cycle date. This tells us they are doing IMEI sweep based on IMEI mismatch (possible) .

With same phone(s), some people reporting they've been flagged, some say they haven't. This tells us it's more than IMEI DB,

I'd like to ask a couple question for both who've been flagged and who have NOT.

For those flagged

Did you give IMEI of the actual smartphone you've used or you gave IMEI of a dumb phone(or dummy IMEI), and used a smartphone later(when ATT rep asked for it)?

When flagged, did you check what kind of phone shows up in your OLAM?

For those haven't flagged

Did you give IMEI of the actual smartphone you are using or you gave IMEI of a dumb phone, and using a smartphone(when ATT rep asked for it)?

I posted my comment earlier with my hypothesis.

Basically I believe the new flagging technology based on IMEI mismatch. You asked to remove the data from your line, you would be asked to provide IMEI of dumb phone. If IMEI you gave is different from IMEI detected by OLAM, you would be flagged. (this mismatch flagging happens around new billing cycle)

And ATT definitely gained access to more DBs of smartphones (manufacturers and possible T-MO's) but with this, we need to see consistent flagging results, but in the forum, we see inconsistent results on some phones (e.g. Xperias and Galaxies)
[Android General] joecool1029:
Having lines that have been flagged and lines that haven't, I have a theory as well.

1. Lines without an IMEI given that AT&T can't figure out are beginning to flag. (I only remember providing IMEI on my main line.)

2. AT&T sold phones (ie. iphone, X10, Dell Streak) will always flag on sweeps.

3. Lines given a gophone IMEI and using an unknown phone won't flag.

2011 Xperia line looks safe. My HD2 did flag but I provided a gophone for that line, hasn't reflagged yet. Getting close to when it might this month. Ion not flagged yet but U did flag last month (took it out of service), *crosses fingers*

EDIT:

To answer above for the HD2 that flagged:

1. Yes, they told me it showed as HTC Inspire, I then gave a gophone and used that for awhile.

2. Showed as an unknown device always, before and after flagging (looks like a claimshell in OLAM).

The only other unknown out there.... any of you on a FAN?
[Android General] Zaiaku:
Through all the phones I've had and been using haven't been flagged yet. To be honest I' waiting onit so it gives me a insentive to leave att. I haven't provided a imei to them ever and never been asked. As you can I have come through a many international version of phones and still nothing.
[Android General] chinoboy:
Well, your theory seems true, at least on my end. I used a dumb phone imei for my one s, and I have been flagged 3 times now, every time during a new cycle.

Today, I just called in to switch the imei to the actual phone, and they automatically detected it as a HTC phone. So they either have Tom db or HTC be of imei's.

Either way, it seems the only way to skip flags is to use international versions of phones, or a Nokia that isn't windows phone. I'm not even sure if the xiaomi/meizu phones are safe to use anymore, but I'd like someone who owns one to let me know, here in this thread or pm. If it works, I might go for that phone next.
[Android General] bedwa:
They also have a section in their systems that can read software info from the phone if its provided through the gateway. I have used a resound that got pegged with the stock APN, but when the proxy, I'd and password were removed, it wasn't pegged. It's certainly multiple angles....
[Android General] thedillybar:
List please!

Been monitoring this thread for a while, sad to see that the list had to be privatized now.

I have been using an old Nokia Symbian phone since Dec 2008. Cracked the screen, replaced, touchscreen is beat to crap, battery cover has 2 of 3 tabs broken off, stylus is long gone. The 4yr run has been lovely but I think it's time for a new one. Time for a modern OS as well.

Thanks.
[Android General] Zaiaku:
wow thats been a while. Can't say much I still have a few older at&t phones like the Wizard and Fuze still .
[Android General] joshyth:
[GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

I still got a n79 and xpressmusic phone too, both actually still work pretty good, but yeah those phones are ancient.
[Android General] Alucard400:
Let me give my experience off my median net phones. I got two dumb phones from at&t. One samsung and one htc. Two smartphones. Both HTC. SOLD THE HTC dumbphone two years ago. I still have my samsung dumbphone.

I moved my sim over to the first HTC smartphone (lets call this model D). After about three years, i upgraded and bought an HTC sold by T mobile ( lets call this model R). I used this phone undetectedfor 4 months since February. After getting flagged, I contacted AT&T and gave my IMEI for my SAMSUNG dumbphone. The rep told me i switched my sim to a different phone for such and such months and I was surprised. They were accurate in the months they recorded the sim moving. What surprised me though is the rep told me the right smartphone model (htc model R) that i put my medianet sim to. But the rep was telling me i put my sim to this very phone on months mentioned before February(in actual the sim went to htc model D smartphone for the months before FEB as i bought the HTC R in FEB).

The theories posted are pretty much what i have in mind. They sweep around the billing period and if the phone is unknown or doesnt match the IMEI, they just flag it as a smartphone. But this is possibly affected by whther you gave an IMEI dumbphone and use a smartphone. Or you give tge IMEI smartphone and comes out as unknown to them to get around from being bumped up to te smartphone data plan.

I have put my sim back to my HTC D and waiting more than 2 billing periods to see if i will get flagged or not. They currently have my samsung dumbphone imei. My HTC D is an international phone while my HTC R was a t mobile phone that has AT&T frequencies.

I will conclude that t mobile phones are not safe to use on Att since they probably now have tose IMEIs.
[Android General] inurb:
My n7000 gets swept every month on the start of my billing period. I put my sim in a dumb phone the day it would get swept and i didnt receive any texts or emails. The very next day thinking i had avoided the sweep on the first day i placed the sim back in my n7000. Later that day i got the text that i was switched to 3gb data pro. So it will detect it once a month no matter what. Thats fine i just call cust service and have them change my data back to medianet. Just 15 minutes of hassle once a month. I wish they would just offer a 1gb ten dollar plan. I would respect that.
[Android General] bedwa:
Part of it is having the proxy, port, username and password entered. In addition, I use Google voice for SMS. Thus I never hit their proxy server. That and the imei numbers are the keys. Those who get tagged at the end of their cycle, could you check those fields? (I worked in a call center for 4.5 years.)
[Android General] inurb:
My ny7000 was undetected for almost a year. Then in October 2012 it got swept. Not sure it did because I tethered one day in October or if they just hat the IMEI in their system by that point.

Name: AT&T

APN: wap.cingular

Proxy: wireless.cingular.com

Port: Not Set

User Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password: CINGULAR1

Server: Not Set

MMSC: http://mmsc.cingular.com

MMS Proxy: wireless.cingular.com

MMS Port: Not Set

MCC: 310

MNC: 410

Auth Type: Not Set

APN Type: internet+mms
[Android General] bedwa:
Have you tried clearing out proxy, username and pass and see of you still gat pegged?
[Android General] inurb:
I can try that but wont' that mess up my SMS and MMS? Also if at&t has the IMEI on record how could removing this info from the APN help? Thanks for your help with this :)
[Android General] bedwa:
It will determine if they really have the IMEI or if you're being pegged by system properties. How soon do you get tagged after putting your SIM in?
[Android General] shsplaying:
Inurb, when you call ATT to remove the smartphone data plan from your line. Don't they ask you to provide IMEI of a dumbphone? If so, what IMEI do you provide? IMEI of n7000? or IMEI of an actual dumbphone?
[Android General] inurb:
I usually call them from a dumbphone when this happens. I give them either my rugby imei or an old sony erricson imei. I've never given them my note imei.

---------- Post added at 02:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:19 PM ----------

The second day of the billing cycle I thought I had beat the sweep. Once I removed the sim from the dumbphone and put it in my note about 5 hours later I got the text and email saying 'we hope you are enjoying your smartphone....". I'll try removing the APN settings you suggested. Can I just remove them a day before the sweep is due or do I need to do it now? thanks
[Android General] shsplaying:
Ok, I got it.

This is hypothesis I have been talking about.

ATT has two different ways of flagging.

1. 'Sweep' - happens right before/after new billing cycle, and it compares the IMEI in the customer record with the IMEI in use. If different, the system assumes you upgraded to smartphone, and smartphone data plan kicks in. (not many people upgrade their phones from dumb to dumb, therefore if a new phone detected, they just assume the upgraded phones are smartphone.)

2. 'IMEI DB' - ATT has access to big DBs of ATT branded phones, T-Mo branded phones (?), more. If IMEI of your phone is in their DBs, you will be flagged right away. (no matter when/where you are in your billing cycle)

Inurb, I think it's 'sweep' flagging in your situation because you only get flagged before/after new billing cycle. They definitely don't have any info on IMEI of your note (n7000). if so, you should've been flagged the same day, you move your SIM to Note.

I have a suggestion. Next time, you call ATT, give IMEI of your Note (n7000) when they ask for IMEI of your dumbphone. If the system detects it as a smartphone, the rep will tell you right away that it's smartphone IMEI, and you won't be able to remove the data plan. But I don't think this will happen. and you go through a new billing cycle to see if you get flagged again.

That's what I have done with my Xperia S while some people reporting Xperia S been flagged.

Just like you, I used to give IMEI of actual dumbphone, and used different International phones. But back in Oct, Nov. I kept getting flagged with phones I was using with medianet. Last month, I actually gave IMEI of Xperia S, went through a couple of billing cycles, and I am fine. No flagging.

If you can confirm this, it will be nice!!

---------- Post added at 10:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:31 PM ----------

Another Tip/Thought.

SIM card contains EEPROM which consists of Operating System and different applications. 'Flagging' is not determined by only their system, it's your SIM card transmits all the data from your phone to be determined and flagged. Their new flagging technologies only work with new and newer SIM cards.

Some people still use old SIM cards, those originally came with their dumbphone years ago. I bet those old SIM cards are safe from 'sweep' and/or 'IMEI DB' flagging.

then, the questions is "can you activate old SIM card again?" No, it's federal law. Deactivated(once used) SIMs shouldn't be activated again. I am just saying it's not a good idea to grab a new SIM from store frequently.
[Android General] joshyth:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

meh......my note 2 just got flagged

i will just ride out my contract and get a lte phone now.....dont want to play this game anymore....
[Android General] joecool1029:
Approaching 10GB this month and no flags yet. Give them a "known" dumbphone IMEI, ie. gophone. Using an "unknown" dumbphone IMEI (most old sony ericsson, ie. K850i) might cause them to flag more. I know the rep didn't like it when I gave them that model, but the gophone was fine.
[Android General] jcash74:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

10 gb and people wonder why att is doing sweeps...
[Android General] joecool1029:
You're a *****. Data is cheap. If I used 100gb data will still flow. It's not some limited resource. Also, I'm aware I'm on an effectively discount plan that lacks access to higher HSPA speeds than 7.2mbps and has no LTE access. I also don't have a phone that the carrier subsidizes, so why would I pay the absurd hyperinflated data rates that the carrier asks for and then pay overages or get gimped down to EDGE speeds.

I *have* noticed some interesting QoS procedures though in place while using this amount of data. It seems that connections that try to max bandwidth out on the account will be terminated with TCP RST packets. This is also more likely to happen in times of high network usage, it doesn't appear to happen at night. This does hold me back from being able to use massive amounts of bandwidth at a consistent time (I haven't tried UDP VPN tunneling though, but rest assured I will). Usenet is actually a very good fit for the network since it uses a substantial amount of connections and is fairly robust. The above is actually a good practice for dealing with congestion in theory, but it destroys the user experience when trying to load pages. I suspect a good deal of connection issues in high traffic areas (ie. manhattan) are due to heavy handed network management to maintain QoS.

I have found that $30-35/month for a line that has unlimited data is fair pricing. This being the combined cost with voice, since voice is essentially free to a provider now. I have service in canada for $10/month and 2gb, which I find to be acceptable. The markets have saturated their subscriber base and are now beginning to get greedy by attempting to squeeze more profit out of a cheap commodity and buy out competitors. I am not on a device lease agreement with my phones, I just want to pay for a fair tier of service.

As I'm typing this I'm streaming FLAC off my home server using my medianet connection. If you're having connection issues, it's not me. It's your greedy carrier trying to buy out competition instead of building up infrastructure.
[Android General] sucsss:
ROFL at the "expert"
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
[GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

I noticed when I tethered with my Mexus 4 and RAZR HD, and large downloads would slow to a stop after a few seconds.
[Android General] dkotoric:
Re: [GUIDE][10-31-2012] List of phones compatible with ATT Family/MediaNet Plan

Hmm thanks I'll stick with my lte note then

Sent from my Nexus 7
[Android General] jcash74:
I know I shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but I can't help it. It is not only the greedy carriers that are causing the prices to inflate out of control. It is also people with an entitlement complex that cause the problems. I like many others on this site use media net because we don't use a lot of data (around 1 gb), not nearly enough to justify the $20 - $30 dollar plans in place. Then there are people who feel "they" are entitled to use as much data as they want AND receive the discounted price. Of course AT&T is going to have a problem with that. I am obviously not defending AT&T, but of course they are going to implement more ways of catching people who are abusing the media net plan if they feel they are entitled to use 10 gb of data and only pay $10 - $15 / mo.