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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BringItSon:
It was talked numerous times in other thread, but still nice to have a thread dedicated for it.

Also, it was confirmed to come. They are suppose to have small beta testing starting this month. Anyone in this forum able to get their hand on this?

Either way, this means product is mostly finalized and they are just doing sample testings to fix very minor problems and find the optimal pricing for it. Given there is a high demand in fairly limited market at this point(only 4.0 tablets that has Atmel chip), i wouldnt be surprised to see this priced fairly expensive.

I saw the video and besides the slight lag, it looks very promising.

EDIT

Good Job, OP. Please keep updating this thread if new information becomes available.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dpwhitty11:
Posting to keep track of this thread and to say that this looks awesome.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tech Faded:
So, if this true (and I hope it is) then we we could see greatly improved accuracy from the touch screen but, since I'm new what other benefits does this bring?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
Buried amongst the Targus and Jot stylus posts, this Atmel stylus is a lightyears ahead of them - it deserves it's own topic.

If you look extra carefully, this video shows a 10.1 Tablet with a "Verizon" logo on it, being used with the Atmel stylus with Repligo PDF editor

Either a Xoom or Samsung Tab, can't really tell as I don't own either...

[YOUTUBE]dqVmPZcZ5RA[/YOUTUBE]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
Quoting Atmel:

Also features palm protection - HUGE benefit

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/p...tegory_id=170&family_id=701&subfamily_id=2407
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xdaspyder:
This is amazing, I've had eyes on it since before I decided on the prime. Would be a huge benefit to have.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] d1ez3:
Damn, just got my Jot
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
you can return it if you want :)

I own a Jot pro - even bought the extra little discs to go along with it. I'm keeping mine in the interim as the Jot is still pretty darn good. Once I get the Atmel I'll do a direct comparison and if it's better will be selling my Jot Pro.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] d1ez3:
Yeah, I might if this thing comes out soon and is as good as they say. Writing with the Jot is better than a regular stylus but it's still not accurate. I also can't seem to get palm detection working
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drstk:
keeping an eye on this. looks like this thing will cost a premium......
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
Probably $50+, but worth it for me. I almost returned the Transformer Prime to buy a Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet because it included a digitizer pen. Hand-written notes is one of the biggest benefits to me of a tablet.

Everyone's use is different, but an active digitizer is *heaven* when you're always jotting notes or drawing a lot.

I did/do a LOT of detail sketches, and did them mostly on a Wacom tablet interface before I had my Prime. Having the ability to lift the stylus and still have it register really is an extreme joy... I didn't realize how much I had grown fond of that feeling. It's very subtle, but when you use it for hours a day it is SOOO nice! And the absolute, guaranteed accuracy is sublime. With out it there's a subtle annoyance of always, constantly worrying if your stylus is where you want it...

Even if this thing were $75 I'd buy it...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cfl.htc.hd:
You may not have to wait ..

I have been lurking for a while now without something to add.

I am new to tablets and the Prime is my first one. I too am challenged buy the capacitive screen writing / drawing details. I have been trying out different stylus types with no great success for me. So I started to investigate for a capacitive ACTIVE stylus and like you have come across the Atmel devices. I believe that may be the solution I’m looking for.

My investigation has found that the Xoom 2 tablet uses the Atmel chips and has an active stylus. I have ordered a Xoom 2 Active stylus from the UK to test my theory out. To test, one will need a Prime with ICS installed. (ICS supposedly fully supports an active stylus). My test stylus will not show till the of this week, the 20th.

I have a challenge for any UK Prime user or any Verizon customer. If you are in the UK, would you please stop by a store with your Prime and try out a Xoom 2 stylus on the Prime? In the US, if you are a Verizon customer, stop by a Verizon store with your Prime and test out the XyBoard 10.1 stylus.

Please report back results.

If this Motorola stylus works then, in the US, we can order from UK or wait for Motorola to release the Xoom in the US sometime this month (1/18 ??). (I understand that the XyBoard 10.1 stylus cannot be purchased separately ).

I do have one other active stylus to check out that may work. I’ll write about that one once we know about the Xoom stylus.

Who is willing to take up this challenge?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
I would definitely be interested as well..

The XyBoard is also at Best Buy, which may also have the stylus on demo possibly.

http://upcomingverizonphones.net/droid-xyboard/

However, the 3mm tip on the XyBoard's stylus is almost 3 times as big as the quoted 1mm Atmel stylus tip:http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...ries/Motorola-Stylus-with-Precision-Tip-US-EN

3mm is pretty big, more like a sharpie tip than a ballpoint pen tip.

However, it is nonetheless cool it might be compatible!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BringItSon:
dont have my prime yet, but i am def interested.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Its funny this thread came up. I just emailed atmel asking about whether this stylus will become a reality anytime soon.

Where are you guys getting this info about it coming out in a couple months and its in beta testing? I would love to keep up to date on this thing as it would be really amazing with the prime. Right now loving the dock, but finding handwriting notes is pretty well a no go for any large amounts of writing.

Really hoping this gets out asap! The xoom 2 stylus looks interesting, maybe a good in between until this guy gets released if it does work.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aikon359:
Heya cfl.htc.hd

i have my prime sat here and ready fer some experimantation ;-)

im based in the uk, just need to find somewhere in my area (peterborough, east midlands) that has a xoom 2 on show (might nip into the local pc world and staples on friday)

i will do my best to see if i can get any active pens tested out fer everyone and will report back asap.

this would be the perfect replacement for my aging wacom volito2 and my old tc4200 ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cfl.htc.hd:
Thanks Aikon359, GO FOR IT!

We might have an additional challenge in that the Prime with ICS may not be tracking the stylus correctly. :{

See post ..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1441180
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ride525:
I would definitely be interested, please even though just ordered stylus for Primes from Amazon...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cfl.htc.hd:
I received my Xoom 2 Stylus today and ran a few tests..

Works with Prime ICS - YES (Very Good)

Works with SuperNotes - Not so good.

I tested with Freenotes, Supernotes, and WritePad Stylus. They all have the same issue were the Xoom 2 Stylus registers to the screen intermittently. This is just like the issue that the WritePad Stylus developer mentions about ICS and Prime. I'm on version 9.4.2.11 of ICS.

Conclusion: Not sure, but I think it may be ICS / App issue causing the problems. My next step is to go to BB and test on TF101 and a Xoom. (Which will take a few days). I'll report back my findings.

If anyone is near a store and has access to the Xoom 2 Stylus, the TF101, and the Xoom please test.

Any thoughts?

---------- Post added at 01:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:08 PM ----------

I just tested the Xoom 2 Stylus on my HTC Aria phone with Paint Joy. Android 2.3 (?)

It works very well with no loss of function. Compared to Jot Pro and Bamboo the Xoom 2 Stylus is a smoother stylus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Thanks for the update!

What I am thinking is that there are some inherent problems with the prime right now for taking notes that can't be fixed by an active stylus. Obviously the added precision would sitll be nice though.

The minimum movement before a line, or writing will start is to large, it prevents any kind of precise/small writing and drawing. I believe transceiver mentioned that this is some value that hopefully can just be changed.

The actual speed that the prime is able to register touches seems slow. Testing with writepad app I am getting ~80 registered touches per second. I would be interested in seeing what other tablets come in at.

One thing I am interested in though is there any sort of palm rejection when you use the xoom 2 stylus with the prime?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cfl.htc.hd:
I think all three apps (supernotes, writepad stylus, and freenotes) have a palm rejection functions.

You did remind me to do a pinch to zoom test, which I forgot to test. YES pinch to zoom works (I used the default Prime browser). In and out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Have any programs without palm rejection you could check with? A benefit of active stylus's I always see is we should be able to get palm rejection with them (although not sure if you still need the programs to utilize it).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BringItSon:
in the article that was linked in OP. the author says Q1 of 2012. which means first three months.

Did you get any reply from Atmel?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
lol well they keep forwarding my email to people who should be better able to answer me, but last forward was 3 days ago (forwarded about 4 times).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rebtx:
I think the speed of touches has more to do with how ASUS 'tuned' the controller drivers. The controller is supposed to be capable of 140Hz. Writepad Stylus' debug mode gives me a max of about 58 when testing. This results in having to make huge strokes with the stylus to get a letter to register. Samsung did the same thing with the Tab 10.1 which can be somewhat corrected with Touchscreen Tune. The Samsung used an older controller family, though.

In one of the articles I read on the controller, there is a bit of software compatibility that is needed in order for apps to properly support the stylus.

Also palm rejection should work much better when properly implemented in an app. The stylus supposedly 'injects' some current into the screen and this is sensed by the controller, allowing a precise location to be determined. That's why they say you can use a 1mm stylus. It would seem that you could disable all other touches except the stylus, depending on what app is running. This is similar to what Writepad Stylus does with the N-Trig based panels.

I'm hoping the compatibility is easy to implement in the software. One of the reasons I bought the Prime was to replace my A5 size day planner. The screen is almost exactly the same size as the pages in my planner. Now I just need to be able to write on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoteriX:
It doesn't sound we're using the "active digitizer" part of the stylus, and are using it like a regular capacitive stylus if it's working on your Gingerbread HTC Aria phone.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Meister_Li:
I'm very curious if the Stylus actually allowed pressure-sensing as well. If you can, could you try if the trial of Sketchbook in the Android Market can sense pressure?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ciddy:
Just bought a Tragus pen the other day. Today I ran into a friend of mine with an Iconia Tab and I found his screen resolves much better than the Prime. Below a certain speed i get ugly aliasing.

He also has a pen (not sure which one), and the results are identical using both screens. His pen and mine work well on the Iconia but give aliasing lines on slow strokes on the Prime...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] transceiver:
Exactly. There probably needs to be some firmware update to activate the additional sensor on the Prime. The thing won't work out of the box.

Pretty bad reviews of the Xyboard (Xoom 2) stylus:

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/tablets/motorola-xyboard-101.aspx
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mdalacu:
On another forum a guy tested a SPen on Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 and it didn't work. I hope that honeycomb is to blame and on ics it will work. SGT 7.7 uses the same digitizer chip as Asus Transformer Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
It kind of seems that no matter how bad ass the stylus - like this supposed new coming Amtel - it won't matter given the weak software in the TFP, no?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
I looked into this a bit and this post seems to indicate the technology behind it is not the same. So it doesn't seem like its a HC or ICS problem, but the technology is not the same.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1439369

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Do you mean the software, like the note taking apps or other apps that would utilize a stylus? Or software as in how the prime itself seems to have problems with diagonal lines being drawn really wavy?

Not sure how an active stylus could help this (the wavy lines) or if it would at all, but hopefully it is indeed capable, because the prime definitely is lacking a bit.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
And that's why Asus hasn't touted it as a coming feature. We know Asus is known for over promising and under delivering. If this was coming they would have Facebooked the crap out of it two years before they started thinking about considering making it sort of work in an alpha form.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
This isn't an asus product though. Its being developed and made by atmel.

from the link in the op's post

http://androidandme.com/2011/11/new...e-could-be-revolutionized-by-atmel-maxstylus/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Right, but the TP won't support it necessarily. If it would, Asus would be saying it was coming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Maybe? As far as support goes, not sure who would need to support it (as in asus needs to support the stylus, or atmel needs to support the prime, or if it simply works if you have the right sensor chip, which the prime seems to have).

While this is a nice addition to the prime (assuming it will work with it, and it does look like it should), its not asus's job, nor place, to market third party apps/accessories.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Asus has to support it at the hardware level.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
What exactly does that mean? The op linked the chip that the prime has, which is apparently compatible with this stylus. Or do they have to do more then simply having the right chip in the prime?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
Software meant more as Asus firmware .... not software apps that take notes. Seems the firmware on the TFP is just not up for the task currently no matter how awesome the stylus is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
True, the ability to accurately follow the stylus is not great right now (wavy lines if you are writing/drawing slowly). Hopefully its something that can get better.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chamberc:
Correct, at the hardware abstraction layer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
*However*, seeing how accuracy has dramatically improved with the introduction of a root-required app (can't find the thread right now, but it's here on XDA's Transformer Prime sub forum) I would bet it's relatively easy to program some additional accuracy in for Atmel's stylus.

The whole reason Atmel stresses this brand new stylus is for *ICS ONLY*, not HC is because ICS has inherent support for it, not HC. Therefore there is quite a bit of un-tapped support in ICS already - it's just a matter of accessing it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mdalacu:
Some additional info supporting the active stylus compatibility.

Please read this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] forceOnature:
That seems to indicate the ATP does already have all the hardware necessary to benefit from the maxStylus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoteriX:
Even if true, whether we'll get the drivers necessary the interface the OS with the Amtel chip in an update from ASUS is a whole other story.....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] curreyr:
ther dri8ver code does appear to be present in the kernel ("atmel_mts_ts" and "atmel_maxtouch") ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nerdsisme:
anyone know how much this is going to be? looks expensive
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oduca:
i want one
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rose4uKY:
This must be some fancy Stylus! I have never heard of it but it sounds cool! I just ordered this caseen case for my Prime and there giving away a free Stylus with all orders of 20 bucks or more. I only wanted it for when I am using my cloud and accessing my home pc on the tablet. I was hoping it would be easier for me to click on things cause I had thought about a little blue tooth mouse for that but I'll see how this stylus works once I get my case today or tomorrow. But I am writing here so I can follow up on it and when it comes out and how people like it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
That means it will probably be supported "out of the box" - it sounds like this is something that is Android integrated, not needing specialty support from ASUS. Hooray!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mdalacu:
Someone with the tablet should ask Asus if the stylus would work. I don't have the TFP so i can not call Asus Support.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] elshaman777:
Holding back until this is released, never thought i needed one but i've been wanting to take notes on my prime at work and it hasnt been very easy. Hopefully this will help....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
All new Samsung tablets are supposed to have S-Pen digitizer. I'll probably jump ship and buy Samsung next time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mdalacu:
Lets wait and see, but , for sure, my next tab will be a Samsung one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walliyo:
I found an interesting statement on the official atmel corp facebook page:

Atmel Corporation: mXTS100 compatibility is possible with the TF201 hardware. The tablet hardware would have to be designed or upgraded to meet certain requirements.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Splitert:
This is a bit disappointing:

Just to be clear: Is the current Asus TF201 compatible with the mXTS100? Or will it be if the tablet is redesigned?

Atmel Corporation The tablet would be compatible if designed to integrate the mXTS100.

Ok, Do you know if the TF201 is designed to integrate the mXTS100?

Atmel Corporation Not in its current state. It is possible with redesign.

Now I'm considering of waiting for a tablet that does support the stylus, especially with the current prime having a lot of problems.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smbyne:
Confirmed that it won't work

It looks like we are stuck with the Jot Pro...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wstahlm80:
I'm confused does the tablet need to be redesigned or does the stylus need to be redesigned
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Splitert:
I don't know, they aren't very clear about that, it looks like they mean the tablet, but with the feedback to product team it looks like the stylus needs a redesign for the TF201.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] curreyr:
I'm guessing the issue is that the capacitance layer between the display and gorilla glass needs to be compatible with the stylus (and atmel is indicating the primes isn't).

Too bad really, everything else appears to be present ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
It is quite disappointing. It initially looked like it should work no problem. Then some mentioned probably need some sort of support from asus to get it to work. And now it seems like the hardware itself isn't up to the task.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mdalacu:
This stylus was the only thing that made me buy this tablet and not wait for another company to pop one with similar specs. I love SPen on my Note and i hoped that a simmilar device would work on TF201. But no... this is my luck :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] reNeglect:
Well i guess imma start saving up for another tablet... rumours has it that the next gen samsung tabs will have S-Pen support. Guess my dad gets another free tablet in a few months lulz
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mizzery85:
smbyne, I just got the Jot Pro and the response on the TF201 is awful. Is it actually working for you? I saw a couple other people saying they are using it too, but it barely picks up my writing. Is it just my tablet or is there something special you have to do?

All in all, I love the tablet, but I need to be able to write with a stylus/digitizer to have fully functionality from this device. So if there is nothing to look forward too on the front of the new Atmel mXTS100, then I may return my tablet and wait it out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MysteriousDiary:
have you tried touchscreentune? this might help.

Gesendet von meinem Transformer Prime TF201 mit Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mizzery85:
I have not tried that... but its too late now :( I returned the Jot Pro.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] soulctcher:
This topic should have its title changed by OP to reflect that it's likely NOT coming to the TF201.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
Done - been away for a while. SAD :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thesilverlining:
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion based on a Facebook post where the man didn't answer a direct question twice.

The prime is the only tablet on the market with ICS and the MXT768E touchscreen chip. It meets all of the requirements for the mXTS100 to work as advertised. Here is no obvious reason that it wont work.

I would lean more to him simply not making a promise that they can't keep if something didn't work right off the bat.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
you've just convinced me to take a more *agnostic* approach to this - we can neither confirm, nor deny it's compatability until one of us actually, physically tests the thing with a TF201....

Flip-floppin I know, but it's better for the thread to be agnostic than reactionary.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thesilverlining:
I agree, both with that its better for the thread to be agnostic than reactionary, and with the fact that we simply wont know until somebody tries one out with the TF201.

We need more solid information about this stylus before we jump to conclusions. There is still no confirmed release date, or even estimated pricing on this product.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed because this stylus coupled with the tegra 3 will be a large step forward for tablet functionality as an art tool, opening doors to 3D modeling, sketching, drafting, painting, and photo editing with precission that you could only get with a very expensive wacom monitor.

And I NEED it lol. It would replace my whole backpack for on the go projects. Mixed with the primes keyboard it can't get any better.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
A very viable alternative currently is the Adonit Jot + touchscreentune

touchscreentune: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1456666

I'd give him 24 hours to send you the registration key (depends on when it's night in Lithuania...)

I have the Jot Pro and installed touchscreentune last night, and WOW what a difference. *much* more accurate, palm rejection is actually workable now and I can write/draw tiny shapes that would be jumbled otherwise.

If an accurate stylus is the only thing standing between you and replacing your whole backpack I *highly* recommend it. :D:D

It's not "the final answer" like this Atmel digitizer, which will blow everything out of the water if it works with the TF201.... but it's a pretty damn good alternative currently.