yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android General] kaijura:
Yup, same here. T-mobile isn't exactly known for the greatness on the UMTS/HSPA coverage. But if you're in a good area and don't travel outside a lot, you have nothing to lose. Try one of their prepaid cards and see how well the reception is for you?

I think the t-mobile unlimited everything smartphone plan is one of the best, but comes at the cost of inferior reception to AT&T's coverage.
[Android General] vvslavavv:
Looking for a phone that will not require a data plan. Don't care much for mediaNet either; as I'm near wireless 99.9% of the time.
[Android General] sumeet909:
Here's something interesting for you. I have 2 HTC Radar phones, 1 running with MediaNet and another running with data-block. The 1 with MediaNet was flagged and I had to remove it. The line with data-block is still going strong. This was 5 months ago. I'm pretty sure you can't do that (data-block) with ATT branded phones.

So your selection 'might' be wider than most people on this thread. I'd like ti suggest that you'd be safe with most T-mobile phones, but do your research. ATT is changing their game every day.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Nope. I can confirm I was running a Captivate Glide for about 6 months with a data block. They knew what I was using too. Myatt online showed my phone. No problem. Tested an Atrix 2 and immediately got the mandatory data plan.

Which phones get flagged, which phones don't, and how long it takes is all a crap shoot in my opinion.

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] vvslavavv:
So what's currently "safe" to use?
[Android General] gtmaster303:
None, really. But you have less chances of getting caught with non-AT&T phones or random third party phones. Ones that no one can identify

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] vvslavavv:
Yep, I got that much from the thread ... get T-mobile or another GSM provider, unlock phone, use on A&T, but some phones are still detected, so I'd like to buy something that folks have recently not had issues with.
[Android General] RepsolRR:
Can someone PM me the list? I'm on a Sony mini pro right now that is still good, but I'd like to upgrade,
[Android General] vvslavavv:
Hope I can get it too. Thanks everyone!
[Android General] sumeet909:
Certain dual-sim versions of mainstream phones are also safe. Docomo phones have been talked about in the past. Again, I have t-mobile htc radar 4g running with data block which has proven to be safe.

Again, do your research because we don't have any hard line here, only empirical data.
[Android General] james11417:
Pretty sure any phone runs fine with data block as long as it's not AT&T. I have an i9300 and it has been flagged since february. Decided it was a hassle to keep calling every month after a wipe to change myself to medianet so I'm currently now blocking my own data. It's been fine for 3 months blocked.
[Android General] kaijura:
Just recently read about AT&T's DataConnect plan.

http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB106930&cv=820#fbid=0_-jNhqu1up

Seems like it's basically data service only for devices that are SIM capable, both HSPA and LTE.

The pricing is similar to AT&T's data plans for mobile, at the moment they are:

https://buyasession.att.com/sbd/Common/ShopRatePlans.action

$14.99 for 250, $30 for 3gb, $50 for 5gb.

It could be something to look into if I don't need phone service, or end up using google voice etc. But I kind of don't like the idea of carrying two phones in this case.
[Android General] gabnj:
Most Docomo phones you see don't have the 1900mhz band used by Att for 3G. Be careful about it.

Can someone please send me the list of phones that can be used on medianet?

Thanks
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
This for sure. It didn't seem worth it for $50 but for $35 and since go phone has some pretty decent savings on refills sounds like a prefect plan since I don't use many voice mins.

I'm planing on getting a xiaomi mi2s. With 2gb of ram and a snapdragon 600 it's a beast. Plus miui. And I doubt atts gonna get that imei anytime soon. Can't wait to use lots of data lol.
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
Hey, can anyone confirm whether the Verizon iPhone 5 has been flagged or not? I have one and I'm on the $60, so I certainly wouldn't mind dropping down to the $35 plan.
[Android General] cheerup38:
I've had one on my account a few weeks after launch and has not been flagged.
[Android General] darnbirch:
QWERTY medianet phones

Can someone PM me the latest list of compatible phones? I'm looking for a QWERTY phone to replace my aging Telus Milestone 1. Any suggestions are most welcome.
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
I have an optimus lte on media net. You do NOT get lte. They require a specific lte sim card to get lte which will switch you to a full lte data plan if used even if you get a sales person to give you one on your current plan.
[Android General] dcarr622:
Wow that's a bummer (and strangely, it directly contradicts what another persion with an Optimus LTE using medianet told me).

I have the lte sim already in a Skyrocket...the plan was to put that in my dumbphone, downgrade the plan, and then switch to another device.
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
Actually, that will work. I was mistaken. You just have to get an lte sim one way or another.
[Android General] dkotoric:
Are u saying i can get lte as long as i get a lte sim card

Sent from my HTC One X
[Android General] dcarr622:
Cool, so even after downgrading to the plan, the APN for LTE will still work and be utilized by the phone?
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
To the best of my knowledge, so long as your sim card and device are capable of connecting to the LTE frequencies, there is no reason you should not get LTE connectivity.
[Android General] pookeyster:
I'm considering grabbing an unlocked medianet compatible phone soon and dumping my tiered data plan. For those who are more experienced and familiar with AT&T, how do you guys utilize upgrade eligibility to save more money? Do you use it to buy a new smartphone then selling it and using the money towards whatever unlocked phone you want? Am I allowed to cancel the data plan once I sell that smartphone? Thanks in advance!
[Android General] adelmundo:
Yup, you use your upgrade to get a new phone, preferably a phone with a high resale value like an iPhone or a newly released flagship model Android phone, sell it, and then use the funds to buy an unlocked international GSM phone and put it on Medianet. When you sell the phone, you can remove the tiered data plan and after you get your new unlocked phone that is compatible with Medianet, you as Medianet to the phone.
[Android General] dcarr622:
I can confirm that this is true, done it 3 times with iPhones.
[Android General] kaijura:
Fixed some incorrect numbers in above post, especially for family plan part.

That seems to be where the real savings come from, ATT is somewhat unmatched in this aspect across all providers, I think.

With all phones having features unlimited, messaging and data, except for the 3GB detected smartphone plan:

$1080 in 1 year for the ATT smartphone plan, 1 3GB data line, not including cost of phone

vs

$720 in 1 year for grandfathered plans, not including cost of phone

vs

$840 in 1 year for new individuals, not including cost of phone

vs

$1440 ($480) in 1 year minimum for 3 lines family plan, not including cost phone. ($1440/3 = effectively $480 per single line)

If you can get in an AT&T family plan option with some people, your family, don't think any providers can come close to $40/month for everything unlimited.
[Android General] fadinglionhart:
So can someone clarify this for me if I got these types of phones:

- international lte phone like the Optimus lte phone (with AT&T lte bands)

- Rogers Galaxy Note lte (should have at&t bands?)

and if I have an lte capable SIM card, I can use medianet with lte speeds? If so, THIS. CHANGES. EVERYTHING!
[Android General] dcarr622:
That's what people seem to be saying but I'd really like a bit more corroboration. I'm about to jump on an Galaxy Note LTE for my mom's birthday but I really want to know for sure...
[Android General] kaijura:
I think putting LTE-capable sim in HSPA phone works, but the problem is that to get a LTE sim, you have to sign up for a smartphone data plan in the first place.

On the flip side, I also do not know if putting 3G/HSPA sim cards in LTE phones will work, but I am under the presumption it should. Obviously, we do not want to be using AT&T branded LTE phones. I also think LTE has its own bands as well, so if you want to use your AT&T LTE in a Roger's LTE device, must be sure the bands are the same.

searching around:

http://forums.att.com/t5/Wireless-G...n-an-LTE-phone-and-an-HSPA-phone/td-p/3027435

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ble-SIM-card-backwards-compatible-with-a-Hero

It's definitely backwards compatible, but no idea if medianet (3G UMTS/HSPA) users can get LTE speeds. That would be an insane loophole if it worked.

Best bet is asking someone around here if they have some AT&T SIMs around to test. Both from a LTE phone and a regular 3G sim, swap them with both phones and report what happens.
[Android General] dcarr622:
That's really the kicker...and I'm not sure how to find out 100% for sure without doing it and testing it myself, and I'd hate to shell out the extra cash and be stuck with 3G after it all.

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Just searching on eBay it appears you can get LTE sims so I don't know that that would be an issue...http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=at&t+lte+sim&_sacat=0

Isn't it true you can't even get HSPA+ speeds on medianet? Just HSPA speeds? Due to an APN restriction? If so, wouldn't it make sense they'd block the necessary LTE APNs on medianet plans?
[Android General] shsplaying:
Replying to the post I posted earlier.

I purchased Sony Neo V (MT11a) from Buy.com, and inserted my 3G ATT sim. 3G works solid with my medianet plan. (Yes, ATT doesn't detect my phone as a smartphone)
[Android General] Droiiiiiiiiid:
How is that phone anyways? I was looking into buying one as well.
[Android General] kaijura:
We could check around if anyone is willing to do get a LTE sim and pop it in. I think you can also get free replacement SIMs in the AT&T store as well, if the default SIMs being handed out these days are the ones with LTE capability.

AFAIK, AT&T can't control anything on who is using what of their service, at least this was the case with EDGE/UMTS/HSPA APNs. There's no way they could block someone to using GRPS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA bands only, or that would mean each tower is keeping individual records of phones connected and assigning them to specific bands by automated means.

HSPA+ is just a matter of upgrading equipment server wise and this is definitely segregated by city. Larger cities obviously should have HSPA+ available, while the not-so-popular areas probably utilize on UMTS (3G) or EDGE. It's just a matter of running speed test while not throttled or having too many connections on that tower to see how fast your speeds are. On a good hours with ~85dBm I can get 800+ KB/sec down and this is HSPA+ speeds, I believe.

I don't own any LTE phones, so I can't comment about it or be able to try. I do think a few of the people in here do though? sk337sk337 has a LTE Galaxy Note from Rogers and is using a 3G SIM. We could use some verification about LTE and medianet using LTE sim cards once and for all.
[Android General] cheerup38:
AFAIK your phone would have to be equipped with a HSPA+ modem to get the HSPA+ speeds, ie Samsung's i9100. This modem is capable of up to 21 Mbps (according to GSMArena.com). Thus I am able to get full HSPA+ speeds on MEdiaNet (I am in the Washington DC area). I've gone through a few phones and have noticed that not all phones get HSPA+, that is due to the modem speeds, ie i9020a and i9000t (both 7.2Mbps) . I only get HSPA speeds with that. So it is not fully relied on the at&t hardware.

Now with LTE i suspect that it would work the same but with which APN? This would also include a change to a LTE compatible SIM card.

I would love to be the guinea pig for this project but my resources are limited :cool:
[Android General] pookeyster:
Thanks again to everyone for always answering my questions :)

I was also wondering if anyone could give me input on data usage with Medianet...Is there an amount of data I should stay well within to avoid getting hit with anything serious? I've read that I should keep it 100mb/day? Anyone with real world usage who could provide me with some more info? Thanks in advance!
[Android General] killme2:
There was a report earlier that it is now flagged.
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
That's what I thought, but when I called into AT&T, they still saw it as a feature phone.
[Android General] azncber:
That's weird because it showed up as an iPhone 5 when you go to http://www.att.com/devicehowto/ but it was unknown in the main screen.
[Android General] sucsss:
anybody have any updates on any nokia phones?

I need to use one for a short while, and I need the maps that the Lumias offer.
[Android General] kaijura:
I was actually thinking the other day if there were any 'fast dumbphones', like ~1-1.5ghz processors and some decent ram up to 1GB. They don't have to run android OS, just as a backup phone that has a browser capability. It'd be handy to use when switching or selling/buying new phones. Haven't found a way to find these yet, other than wikipedia.
[Android General] kaijura:
There aren't much QWERTYs out there today, it's a stagnating market. You can try these, but I have no idea if they are flagged under AT&T.

Photon Q, XT897 - requires actual hardware mod:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32764718

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_photon_q_4g_lte_xt897-4885.php

Droid 4, XT894 - Verizon apparently blocked AT&T though, no idea if anyone figured a way around it:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1766479&highlight=at%26t

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_4_xt894-4418.php

There's always the Captivate Glide, but that's flagged under AT&T.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i927_captivate_glide-4071.php
[Android General] darnbirch:
Blackberry Q10

Thanks! Does anybody know if there's any way to get a Blackberry Q10 under the radar, e.g. using an international model?
[Android General] lovem:
Hard to get a blackberry to since A*** already gets all their IMEI into their database.
[Android General] dtrinh4000:
can someone PM me a list of phones currently ?

thanks
[Android General] Alucard400:
Currently using a two year old phone from another country. It's been two days and havent been flagged. I will be passing my billing period in a week. I am crossing my fingers that this phone will be good for a while
[Android General] RepsolRR:
I just upgraded to a Sony Acro S yesterday evening, and this morning I had a text/email about being switched to the smart phone data plan. It is still showing a greyed out phone on my ATT online account, but the customer service guy said the system showed I was using a smart phone. I said I wasn't, and he put MediaNet back on the line. He mentioned that it would probably get switched to the smart phone data plan again if I kept using the phone I was on. Am I going to have to call every month now to keep switching back to MediaNet? I started using my VPN on the phone so they hopefully won't be able to see the type of traffic my phone is doing. Anyone have any experience with this? Do they pick up smart phones by analyzing traffic or just IMEIs?
[Android General] Alucard400:
I think they got other ways outside IMEI to track smrtphones. If you get detected immediately, then you are using an AT&T phone if you are detected in 24 hours, then the IMEI sweep got you. Some accounts are checked on a monthly basis. I think the website status of what phone is recognized isnt a good way of determining if your phone will bypass the sweeps. It's just an indicator if your phone is sold by AT&T or not. I had an HTC AMAZE T MOBILE and was greyed out un recognized on the website but got flagged by the sweep
[Android General] rybshik:
www.speedtest.net and throttling

I have a Gophone unlimited data plan for dumbphone and my (international unlocked) phone shows 4G/HSPA+ with almost full signal bars.

If network is congested, or data is throttled or otherwise prioritized by ATT, speed test results might be misleading depending on a test provider.

For example, www.speedtest.net gives some kind of maximum speed during the testing time. In my case, it is 2-7 mbps. However, it does not necessarily reflect the (actual average speed) = (total transmitted data)/(transmission time).

When I run www.speedtest.net it might show 7 mbps download, but may stop for a while during download meaning that at that particular time instant the download speed is close to zero.

Test http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html does calculate the average and my results are 1-2 mbps most of the time, only occasionally get 3mbps.

So, in my case, my average data speed is significantly less than peak speed during the same measurement interval.

Which clearly indicates throttling or low prioritization by ATT. Perhaps they use some kind of throttling algorithm that does not limit the peak speed but rather creates some no-transmission intervals.

Would using proxy servers and/or VPN help reduce throttling?
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I have the same plan, and have found nothing that raised the "throttling' cap. I have the same numbers as you with my connections. I am sure gophone is at the bottom of the totem pole on priority. Maybe someone else has figured something out but I have not.

Good luck.
[Android General] hpham1191:
Anyone try the GSfour mini on media net?

Sent from my "Google Edition" P880 (jk, it's just CM10!!!)
[Android General] kaijura:
There is an international service database. Most major GSM operators (including AT&T) that are partnershipped across the world would have access to it. It's just a matter of which TACs (a TAC is the first 8 imei digits) AT&T opts to look over and check with their own database.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_Association

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_Überwachungsverein

http://www.tuv-sud.co.uk/uk-en/about-tuev-sued/tuev-sued-in-the-uk/tuev-sued-babt/company

http://www.tuv-sud.co.uk/uk-en/abou...services/imei-number-allocation/imei-database
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I also use Canadian phones with no problems ......
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
Just curious what kind of speeds are you folks getting with MediaNet?

I'm getting about 4-5mbps up and 1-1.5mbps down and 100-120 ping.

Using a Droid 3 that has been flashed with the GSM Chinese radio.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
All depends on signal strength, location and device. Max speed is capped at 7.2mbps download. I've been getting 3-5mbps mostly. Bad service areas get about 1mbps. But I've been able to stream youtube no matter what. So I guess the in the real world, speed is fine

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] Alucard400:
Yeah. At&T can just get those TACs. Maybe they have but It costs money to have those TACs cross checked into their own database to determine if consumers are using a certain model phone. I think AT&T's database is a bit more simpler. It's a whole big giant database of the full IMEI, not the first 8 digit only, that is crosschecked using some kind of software integrated into the network to identify the phone connected. if there is a match, then it's detected(flagged) as a smartphone and we're given the dreaded text message that a smartphone plan has been added. It's much easier for AT&T to get a huge list of every single IMEI of a certain model phone from a manufacturer if the manufacturer like Samsung is willing to give it for a fee, or a perk in their business contracts.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I am getting 2 to 4 mbps, but it's signal strength. I am in alaska, and network upgrades are very slow......
[Android General] illtww:
LG Optimus 4X HD P880 still undetected?

Threat of being detected anytime soon?
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Still working fine......undetected .
[Android General] overthatscreen:
T-Mobile LG P769 seems to have been detected. Not working today just like the S3.
[Android General] chakal95:
Can anybody please provide me with the list of the compatible devices, I have been PMing Mischief but i have not received an answer from him. Thanks
[Android General] overthatscreen:
Not having any luck with the Lumia 822. Tried both apns. Browser just loads and fails.
[Android General] illtww:
Sooo..

My Razr HD (Verizon unlocked for Domestic GSM useE) Xt926

Got detected today. (1 day after switching form a photon..)

Here is what I am thinking of doing:

Programming the IMEI from the "dumbphone" I have with RadioComm. (Risky Process)

adding back the Medianet Plan.

Thoughts?

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Update;

Shows mu phone on ATT as a Motorola Droid 4.

So at this point I would say ATT has the IMEI's for the RAZR HD and RAZR MAXX series...
[Android General] sucsss:
what do you mean? the medianet data won't connect? or att keeps switching you to the smartphone plan?
[Android General] Mr.Mischief:
Sorry for the delay, I haven't been on XDA in a while.

For the record, you messaged me twice on the 16th. At 8:46 and 8:55.
[Android General] overthatscreen:
Medianet APN won't connect on the Lumia 822. I'm new to WP8 so that could be the problem. The 822 worked fine with my T-Mobile sim, seems like 3G on 1900mhz.
[Android General] Alucard400:
That sucks. It's possible Motorola shared the IMEIs to AT&T and not Verizon. but I could be wrong. A lot of the newer phones are easily flagged.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Calling AT&T and giving them a dumbphone imei won't stick. As soon as you put your sim card into whatever phone you're using, the system refreshes with the new imei. It's one of the first things your phone transmits to the carrier when you power it on. And system updates to reflect that.

Whether or not they figure out what you have is solely based on what imei numbers they have in their database. Not usage, not brand.

Getting hit with the correct data plan is a crap shoot. I've seen all kinds of smartphones get away with no data plans, even though the carrier says they're mandatory (iphones, androids, etc.) I've used a captivate glide for nearly a year. Detected and everything. AT&T never once forced me onto data (knock on wood)

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] illtww:
Will the radiocomm hack allow me to transfer my DUMB-PHONE IMEI correctly>?

only 1 way to find out I guess.
[Android General] Alucard400:
I don't know what that hack is. does it change the imei or fools the carrier into thinking it's under the IMEI you want to set? like GTmaster says, AT&T will detect your phone's IMEI hardware coded into it and they'll put you into the appropriate data plan if your phone is on their huge database and shows that it's a smartphone.
[Android General] Rocksockdoc:
I filed an FCC complaint about AT&T illegal and deceptive practices

I bought a used iPhone for my kid whom I did *not* want to have a data plan. AT&T confirmed I could have a data block. Yet, they arbitrarily determine a phone to be a "smart phone" based on a wholly arbitrary (and unpublished) list of imei numbers! So, based on that arbitrary list of IMEI numbers, My young child must have a data plan. When I asked why they told me "so I have a consistent price". But wait. I have data turned off. It's blocked by AT&T. The price can't possibly be any more consistent with a data plan and data blocked than without a data plan and data blocked. I filed an FCC complaint. Deceptive marketing. I got a call from an AT&T VP. No change in policy. I switched to T-Mobile and have used the iPhone ever since. No problems. No data except WiFi at home for my kid. And that's how I want it, as a parent.Funny thing, AT&T told the FCC they "resolved the problem". Yeah. Right.