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[Android General] bedwa:
Sorry for the delay, I only put wap.cingular in the APN field. I leave the rest blank unless you want MMS messages. Then fill out the bottom part. I don't use MMS as I always use Google Voice for my SMS (Data, not SMS. :P )

If you guys have any other questions please let me know.

In other news, I've been using my Neptune Pine since Saturday 8/2/14 with no data plan ping. Small and Tiny, but quite Mighty.
[Android General] z3ds:
Is the nokia e90 communicator flagged? How about those cheap asha phones that dont have 3g.?
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
found a guy who flashed my note 2 with a dumb phone IMEI for $40. It even shows up in the ATT account manager as a dumb phone.

one question,how do i stay under the radar? I dont really stream music but i tether. I put in the apn you wrote,do i need to do anything else or is there anything else you would suggest?
[Android General] lovem:
Who? Where? How can I get flashed?
[Android General] ErieTrack:
Well my other line with a Nokia 701 with a data block and mobile data turned off on the phone just

got hit for a smartphone plan today. Shows up in ATT online help as a Nokia 701. My Xiaomi MI3w

still shows up as "unknown unknown" but it was hit as a smartphone a while back.
[Android General] bedwa:
I tether like a beast (20-30GB on average, 74 the billing cycle ending yesterday.) I do what I can to have a custom rom along with making sure that the tethering APN is NOWHERE to be seen. I remove ALL other APNS otherwise.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
My mi3 is working great so far, if you gave it another try I think you would be fine.
[Android General] joecool1029:
import xperia z1 flagged. got it to replace an oppo find5. shoulda copped a xiaomi :-\

prob gonna be end of an era for me, my main phone is a z10 on t-mobile anyway, might as well move the rest there.
[Android General] shengjinzhao:
That's comforting to know. At least I could be worry-free about my parents who just wants bigger screen phones with no data need. Thanks!

Side note: Just got Verizon Samsung GS 3, att immediately recognized it as "Samsung Galaxy", though with no image... Having my fingers crossed :D
[Android General] redsrule2500:
Just flagged using a Blu Life Pure. Was flagged once Friday, checked OLAM and still had MediaNet. Then flagged again today, but data plan still doesn't change online. Weird.

Was tethering fairly aggressively last week, and OLAM still shows an unknown device.

Anything I should change in the APN settings to avoid a future flag? Thoughts?
[Android General] Alucard400:
From what I understand, the online tool to show if your device is detected or not is not a good way to check if your device will bypass the sweeps because the actual IMEI sweeps uses a more stringent checker than the online tool. I don't think the APN settings will make a difference for you as that is for connecting to the network. it's like connecting a pc through a wireless network but there is no way to change the Mac address of your machine unless you go through some extreme lengths to hack a mac address/IMEI.

I have come to believe and assume that once you have been flagged enough times, your account will be more often monitored than other accounts. Customer AT&T reps have access to logs as to when you switched your SIM card to another phone. AT&T may be cracking down on exploiters of bandwidth and could automatically put you on a data plan/flag you even if you use a legit unknown Chinese phone that works for everyone else just because you've switched back to Medianet/dumbphone plan way too many times.
[Android General] snekiam:
If you have a sprint or verizon s4 you can do this in DFS. That is what I did. Been on since January with no issues.
[Android General] lovem:
How did you do that?
[Android General] snekiam:
DFS CDMA tool, +SPC + 16 digit password for your phone model.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
My flashed mifi device account was CANCELLED due to excessive data use........
[Android General] snekiam:
Just got my account canned again for "violating the terms and conditions" for "excess use of data". Is this the end? I use wifi whenever I can, my phone says I have used under 5gb, the cs rep said I had used "over 10gb". No message about a smartphone, no warning. Terminated my service. Supposed to be reactivated "within 24 hours" after a "specialized team" looks at my account. Will be switching service soon I guess, hopefully I can keep my number!
[Android General] bedwa:
The have to let you keep your number under Local Number Portability laws. Even if they just reactivate it and add blocks to prevent the line from doing anything, they have activate it long enough to let you port it. Period.

Edit: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/portability-keeping-your-phone-number-when-changing-service-providers
[Android General] snekiam:
They don't seem to think so. I called asking for my account number so I could port out, and the guy said I cannot. I told him that they needed to, he gave me an 800 number to call that identified itself as the fraud department. I needed to request my account be reactivated, by leaving a message and they will be back to me within 48 business hours. F*** at&t.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Wow were any of you using go phone? I am I've used about 6gb this month, I don't really tether though.
[Android General] snekiam:
I was on the gophone $35 plan.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
That's the same plan I'm on as well, I'm on a Chinese phone, xiaomi mi3 though. I hope I don't end up the same way ):
[Android General] snekiam:
If you value your number, port it to google voice or something. Now.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Luckily i already use google voice so the number att can have, I hope it doesn't come to that though.

It's messed up they took your number, hope you can port out OK.
[Android General] Endlessknight:
On average how much do you use? On one of my lines I've been using a average of 120GB/month for nearly 3 years, even went over 200GB once or twice and they never said anything. But I guess it's only a matter of time..
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I was using about 30 gigs a month.......
[Android General] Endlessknight:
My lowest months are twice that, I wonder why they go you and not me. I wonder if its because I got five lines.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I don't know.... on my other line I use a lot more....... seems like the end of the line though...... I have 4 lines by the way......
[Android General] snekiam:
I had just the one line, and never used even 15gb/month.... very strange indeed.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I don't know. .... I have 4 lines... it didn't quote....... sorry.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
DONT THINK ABOUT A ONEPLUS ONE .

ATT apparently now recognizes it as an LTE device as ONEPLUS has officially registered it with the body that governs LTE specs here in the USA. People were having an issue with not getting LTE on their phone but it has been fixed according to people on the ONEPLUS forums so it means that the device would be recognized by ATT as a smart device...
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
I also wouldn't bother with any oppo phones like the find 7 or find 7a, since they both are pretty much the same phone.
[Android General] Endlessknight:
That sucks. Can anyone confirm? This is the phone I was looking to get. I'm currently using the Oppo find 5 without any issues. (Well I have issues but they're with the phone and not AT&T )
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Well I know that LTE won't work on at if your device is not in there system, this happenes with T-Mobile phones too, so people would have to add a know att LTE imei to their account for LTE to work, oppo and one plus one would do this so LTE works out of box for people on att. So I would avoid them because they will all be in there system.

You might be able to get by with the Chinese version of the one plus one but I wouldn't bother. Because they could figure it out since they have all the other imeis.

At this point I would say xiaomi and meizu phone are good choices for working phones, I've had no issues on 2 different xiaomi phones.

Also the new xiaomi note 4g has the 850/1900 bands, it has a 5.5 inch 720p screen, snapdragon 400 1.6ghz, 2gb ram, removable 3100 man battery, micro SD card slot, should cost around $200.

You can find a xiaomi mi3 for around $275 and its a awesome phone, a snapdragon 800, 2gb of ram, 3050 mah battery, 1080p 5 inch screen, also miui 6 came out yesterday its a nice update from v5.
[Android General] anips:
I can confirm Oneplus One does not work. I got detected as a smartphone after a couple hours.
[Android General] Endlessknight:
Thanks for the confirmation. I guess I'll stick with my Find 5 and sell my One plus one on swappa.
[Android General] yw2012:
So i have a friend who can buy me a One Plus One from China. I know sometime the "international" version or version from China may bypass the ATT database. Anyone has opinion to this theory? I am debating whether to risk it and have my friend pick up a one plus one from China and bring it to the US.
[Android General] anips:
Not sure, but I just switched my oneplus to T-Mobile LTE and the latency and download speeds are such a huge difference that I won't ever go back to this plan anymore on H+ (in Los Angeles).

Also if you do get the "china" version you will never get LTE on AT&T or T-Mobile because the frequencies are different. So keep that in mind for future resale value.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
It may work but they may be able to figure out the imeis from the ones they have and identify one plus ones. They have done with international versions of phones Samsung sells like the galaxy s3 and s4. So I would get a Chinese phone, I would avoid oppo, one plus one, and hawei and zte since they all sell phones in the us. I've had no issue with my xiaomi phones. All others should be safe. So honestly I'd avoid this phone. You can put cygenomod on a xiaomi mi3 if you don't like miui or xiaomi mi4.
[Android General] yw2012:
Thank you.
[Android General] Maconi:
Alright so I've been using an international HTC Sensation 4G for years and it's worked great (AT&T never detected it). However, the phone finally croaked (technically the LCD just went out, the touch screen still works and the phone boots up/makes sounds/etc.). It's like $30 for a new screen or $100 for another HTC Sensation.

So instead of fixing it/getting another Sensation, I've been looking into getting another smartphone that won't be detected by AT&T. I've skimmed through the thread, but is there a "recommended" phone for AT&T right now? Price isn't an issue as I'd like a reliable phone that I can use for a while without feeling held-back specs wise.

I've seen the Xiaomi MI3 mentioned and it has decent specs, but I also see a bit of drama between XDA and Xiaomi with them not releasing the kernel source or whatever. Is the MI3 still the best choice (does it even work with AT&T?) or are there even better phones to choose from?
[Android General] Alucard400:
I ran with a sensation bought from Canada. Touch screen got so finicky that I bought an HTC amaze but was flagged despite being international. I then bought an Mi3 and I love it.
[Android General] Maconi:
Thanks for the reply.

Where's the best place to snag an unlocked (I assume it would need to be unlocked?) Xiaomi Mi3 in the US? Do I have to camp eBay or are there legitimate shops/websites that sell them stateside?

Also, am I shooting to snag the WCDMA version or the TD-SCDMA (Chinese) version? Does it make any difference? I know 3G wouldn't work with the TD-SCDMA version but I'm trying to avoid using data altogether anyway (I just stick with WiFi for data usage, I'm on a per-use data plan, super basic). I just need voice to be reliable.
[Android General] Alucard400:
I bought from http://www.ibuygou.com/

the phone was already unlocked. the great thing also is, the sim card requires just a regular sim card, not a tiny one like the oppo find 5 or the newer phones. U just unlatch the slot and you place your simcard and slide it back in. worked right out of the box.
[Android General] Maconi:
Yeah I think I'm set to get the Mi3 now. However, this is actually for my wife and she likes the color options (specifically the Blue and Pink colors). The problem is, I'm not seeing those anywhere. Are there any trusted sites that sell those or are we just out of luck when it comes to US color options?

Thanks in advance. :)
[Android General] Alucard400:
yeah. buying for US isn't so reliable. iBuygo can get pretty bad too if you read reviews. but they're the best to purchase from. the worse to go to is alibaba. so avoid that site. There was another webstore, i think xiaomiworld
[Android General] slowpok92:
Has anyone tried the mi4 on medianet? As I have been eyeballing this phone and want to order one but if it is going to get flagged I will just order an mi3.
[Android General] Maconi:
Will the same thing eventually happen to the Xiaomi Mi4 since it will be able to use LTE? Wondering if I should just stick with the Mi3 or if the Mi4 is worth considering.
[Android General] Alucard400:
The Mi4 is nice, but it's up to you if you want to take the risk. I wouldn't take the risk personally. Medianet wasn't made to have LTE, so having that connection automatically means it's a smart phone, hence the flag.
[Android General] Maconi:
Is this still the way AT&T checks for smartphones? I'm pretty sure I already have a data block on my line (although I'll definitely be double checking).

So if I slap my simcard into ANY smartphone (Samsung, HTC, etc.) it will remain undetected as long as I don't use data?

If so that makes my life even easier as I have a spare Galaxy S3 and HTC One I could just swap to rather than buying the Xiaomi for now (I was just paranoid of getting flagged).
[Android General] bedwa:
As long as you're not using an iPhone... Yes. iPhones are also tagged from voice calls as well. (IMEI is reported with each Call, Data and SMS.)
[Android General] Maconi:
Thanks for the confirmation bedwa! :good:
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
The xiaomi mi 4 should work just as well as the mi3. I've had no issue with my mi3 or old mi2.

Sent from my MI 3W
[Android General] ssnova:
This is interesting... I would assume that if other At&t users have that phone+ IMEI and added a smartphone plan, then the cover is probably blown.

For example, say.. International Xperia Z3 is used by a US At&t user, and signed up for a smartphone plan, at&t, may now register that phone as a "smartphone" in their database... so then when other users buy that phone from the "discovery" hence forth, they will be recognized as smartphones too?

I can understand with the iphone, since all of them are "smartphones" tightly controlled by Apple and easily recognized.

I was thinking about getting the LG G Pro2 (hasn't come out in the US yet), but I've already heard of people using them on At&t with previous smartphone plans carrying over (I don't know of anyone who has a medianet plan with it)... so I'm guessing at&t registers the phone in the database after that?
[Android General] heehee62:
Do you guys know a legit website where I can buy a xiaomi or meizu phone (probably one of their newer phones)? I'm from the US and I'm afraid I'll end up with a fake or one with spyware if I don't know what I'm doing. Thanks.

EDIT: I'm confused. If I set a Z2 to block mobile data can I use a Sony Z2 instead? I prefer that phone but would rather get a xiaomi if it's safer.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Ibuygou, spemall, or merimobiles are good websites that sell genuine products, and I'd suggest you use PayPal too all those sites let you use it.

Sent from my MI 3W
[Android General] heehee62:
Will I definitely not get caught if I turn off all data always even if I use my sister's locked Samsung Galaxy S4 she has been using as a smartphone for ages now on the same account as my dumbphone?

Seems odd they won't catch me since I can even see my dumbphone's model number on my AT&T account online. I only text and call on my phone (people do send me photos attached to texts though).
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
If you have a data block put on the line and data turned off you should be good.

Sent from my MI 3W
[Android General] DebbieNY13:
I've been using an HTC Vision from Bell Canada on MediaNet for almost 3 years now and I haven't been flagged/bumped up to a Smartphone Plan yet! :laugh:

I adore this phone and will not be upgrading to anything else until I find another Android with a hard keyboard... and that also won't be detected by AT&T, of course. I don't come anywhere near the data usage that would justify paying twice as much as I do now for their Smartphone Plan, so why should I give them the extra $$$ for free? :p

Debbie
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Does the original Moto G work with this plan?
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Nope, any major brand phone att has the imeis off, the only ones that won't get recognized is Chinese smart phones. There are plenty of nice ones out there that work on it though if your interested in buying one. I could recommend a few.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
actually this logic if flawed. I'm running a Droid Razr M on medianet right now without problem, even though it's been reported flagged...
[Android General] kashif.younus:
GS4 Active Lte-A (shv-e470s) Hard Bricked

I have GS4 Active LTE-A (Shv-e470s). got bricked please any 1 help me :rolleyes:
[Android General] tapa_t:
Any chance you are on a prepaid account?

I've noticed that people are reporting dumbphone restriction doesn't apply to prepaid accounts.

So, if you have a gophone, you can use data on your smartphone all you want and they won't even try to "upgrade" you to a smartphone plan.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Yes it definitely does, I've had my Sim in other smart phones and data didn't work. O believe why his phone works is because at never sold the RAZR phones only Verizon, so they wouldn't have the imeis, but common gsm phones which they also sell they have the imeis for like they should be able to identify a moto g for instance or a galaxy s4.
[Android General] tapa_t:
Not being able to use data and AT&T pushing you a smartphone plan ("flagged") are two different things.

Are you on prepaid or postpaid account? My point is that AT&T treats prepaid and postpaid accounts differently, regardless of phone models or whether AT&T possibly knowing IMEI. Although this thread is explicitly about postpaid plan (Family/MediaNet plan are postpaid, right?), which AT&T forces you to be on a smartphone plan to use a smartphone on, some people reporting on this thread are expressively on prepaid plans and I am wondering how many others are silently so, oblivious to the difference. That (whether you are prepaid or postpaid) alone can be the difference between being flagged and not flagged for exactly the same phone model. I feel that this is causing a lot of confusion on this thread, and IMO, making this thread completely useless.

Your hypothesis is not supported by gtmaster303's observation that people have reported RAZR as being flagged on this thread, and I am suggesting an alternative explanation. I even add my own observation. I used to use AT&T version of Nexus S on my prepaid account and used data packages I purchased on that account & phone. I have never got any kind of notice from AT&T whatsoever, let alone a smartphone plan automatically being added, for using this Nexus S or any other smartphone, with the same SIM card.
[Android General] chernomorez:
My Xiaomi Mi2S just got flagged.

Got the dreaded text/email informing me of a switch-over to 3gb plan.

Checked my OLAM account, and Xiaomi was listed there.

Under services it still has medianet
[Android General] Alucard400:
My Xiaomi MI3 just got flagged a few minutes ago. Same message. I do not see Xiaomi on my OLAM but medianet is still under services.

I received an email notification also but the message is different,

"Dear Valued Customer,

Smartphones are made for surfing the web, social networking, email and more. Our records indicate your Smartphone does not have an appropriate data plan, so we have added our most popular plan, DataPro 3GB, to your account at $30 a month.

If you would like to select another smartphone data plan, it is easy to do online at att.com, with the myAT&T app, or at a local AT&T store. For additional information about data plan options, visit att.com/dataplans. "
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Well this sucks, I'm still OK I'm on go phone though I guess its just a matter of time before it happened, I guess I'll switch to cricket they have some good deals.

Sent from my MI 3W
[Android General] chernomorez:
Most likely it would stop showing mediaNet in a few days or whenever your billing cycle closes
[Android General] mymellowman:
My Mi2 just got flagged; It's been a nice run for the past 7 years, but I'm switching over to Note 4 now w/ LTE.......
[Android General] lovem:
Mi 4w got flagged today. Saw email, no text yet! What! Too Bad. :eek:
[Android General] Alucard400:
There was too much talk of Xiaomi being used on this thread. I remember that this thread has always been watched by AT&T. Gonna try one more attempt to keep this medianet plan to stay in the party. Not giving out any more info on how I go about this.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Yeah my mi3 seems to have been hit as well, was fun while it lasted. I'm on go phone. Oh well ):

Sent from my MI 3W
[Android General] lovem:
Yea, believe you're right. There is enough info in this thread now to teach newcomers how to understand the necessities to keep data with medianet (aka now non-smartphone data plan). Talking should probably stop/be limited about the exact devices that work, and the theory and wealth of information in this thread can be perused by others to enjoy data like it should be offered and not CAPPED. At least that may keep others using such under the Rader devices with a longer time to be able to use the internet and not be price gouged by at** with their limited data plans. Anyway, all new comers to at** are ineligible to get the medianet plans (they're all gouged for those mobile share p.o.s.! plans!)

By the way, My mi 4 showed up as mi 3s/mi2.

Got text this morning, that said if I continued to use a smartphone, a $30 data plan would be added. From my experience, the last time that it happened, was able to use the flagged device for another 4 months before the data plan was changed. Took no risks this time and just went back to a regular phone.

Peace Out! BE NICE & be the bearer of truth.
[Android General] Alucard400:
This thread shows up SO EASILY through a google search now. It's like the main source of running smartphones off medianet. This thread should only have people privately message each other for info on what phones to use that get under the radar. It's hard to rely on people keeping mum about info though. There will be people who will just answer the newbies that come on here.
[Android General] Stalix:
My brothers xiaomi mi2s just got flagged this past week.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
It doesn't matter if this thread exists or not. You can keep things to yourself if you like, but it only hurts the discussion, nothing else. AT&T has better things to do than hunt down a small fraction of users exploiting a loophole for cheap unlimited data. For you to think the opposite is laughable. Conventional plans aren't even offered anymore, so this data plan is slowly dying off anyway.

The people that have gotten flagged is all down to the automated system and which IMEI numbers it recognized. NOT because of data usage, this discussion thread, or the fact that it shows up on Google. It's the luck of the draw.

Can an expert chime in on how to "hard stick" an IMEI number in the AT&T system? Long story short, due to a debacle at my local store, AT&T forced 2 of my lines onto an iphone data plan, even though neither was running an iphone. Even though I ran a basic phone, OLAM wouldn't give me options to get out of the data plan, and OLAM thought I was using an iphone on both lines.

I'm wondering if a similar technique could be used with a basic phone IMEI to get any smartphone to work on medianet, even phones that have already been flagged