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[HTC EVO 3D] Rydah:
Pandora ran fine with the screen off with smith, but songs did load slower, thus bandwidth management?

Via My HTC Evo 3D On The Now Network From Sprint.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Read up on it smithmicro http://www.smithmicro.com/solutions/mobile-cable-operators.aspx

http://www.smithmicro.com/products/mobile-network-director.aspx

http://www.financialpost.com/market...+Smith+Micro+Software+Help/5966368/story.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Micro_Software

So read up and you tell me what you think from what I gathered it is a throttle control .
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Read up on it man :D Also the folks that clamied 3g shut off probably due to there powersave anyways. I have been testing the new stuff on a unrooted phone. I am also waiting to see what Trev has to say about it.

Im not spreading nothing but facts from the info I found on google :D

Part of the info from the main post.

Battery life on devices is increased since Mobile Network Director can turn on and off device radios as needed
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I know believe me, I'm just saying the way you worded it made it seem like it deff was going on which is far from fact less you know something I dont. And with that kinda talk ppl will assume it is and start *****ing when in fact there could be nothing wrong at all going on.

Just think its best to wait for TrevE to report on it all.

I know what their stuff can do but we don't even know really what it is set up to do right now.

Off hand the director sounds better to be dealing with how networkvision works with the phones. It says it only shuts off 3g when it can be offloaded to WiFi and 4G too anyway.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Thanks for checking it out wasn't starting nothin just reading and keeping up to date with everything anyways have a good weekend man.
[HTC EVO 3D] tech7:
Ok since i removed smith my batt has been amazing never seen go past 9 hours but. It was light usage thie and first time i ever do light usage but usually on the first 30 min the batt goes half way now it lasted 3 hours before ut hita 75%
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Nice so far everything is running smooth on my end.
[HTC EVO 3D] tailsthecat3:
Yup. 5678910
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
and with it along with everything else still loaded here my phone is getting excellent battery life and smooth as ever.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Ya happy the battery life picked up.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I would think that for someone that is in a sense spamming the forum with this exact same post that they would take the time to copy the post correctly. Example, the links you copied obviously were done from the main post view and not from the "edit post" screen which would allow you to copy the whole actual link. Instead you have a bunch of partial links in your post...

Also would think that you would be able to comment a little more on the matter aside from this one post you keep putting up in different sections...

Also as i told you in one of the other threads you posted this in the section you QUOTE "Core Mobility, three companies were spun off into separate entities: Carrier IQ (with tier 1 venture backing), Fonav (acquired by Trolltech), and Speech Ink." is DIRECTLY from the link below. I would expect a lawyer to understand quoting things and how you should reference stuff....

http://www.seraphgroup.net/team/konstantin_othmer.html
[HTC EVO 3D] joehunni:
the **** is going on in here...
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Again what is the point of all these posts you put up everywhere which all are the same info which proves absolutely nothing wrong is being done on the phones end at all.

Till you show stuff like Trevor showed all this info is meaningless. I could care less about Smith,carrieriq, or coremobility being in .apk's on the phone. Less they are actually shown to be accessing personal information on the phone WITHOUT our knowledge then it all means nothing.

also again with the poor copy of your previous posts....FYI. LINKS DONT COPY from the regular post view...
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
dont worry bout what this guy posts. check his history and its all the same exact stuff.

He hardly responds to people if at all and as ive shown he posts stuff from sites without proper citation.

No one should fret over Smith.apk one bit till you hear it from Trevor saying they are evil like carrieriq and are getting your data/info without your knowledge. tell HTC seems to be doing what it should and allowing people to opt out of reporting things back and stuff like that which is the opposite of what carrieriq was doing.

could care less if smith and carrieriq are tied together. All that matters is if they are still leaving that wide open security hole Trevor showed from before, and getting personal stuff without anyone knowledge too without an opt out...

point being wait till Trevor says something saying Smith.apk is evil blah blah before jumping to conclusions on the thing.

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While this is some decent info on carrieriq, whats the point of this as carrieriq is no longer in our phones....

are you seriously going to spam the thread and then just not respond to anyone?

If so I question your motives here...
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Waiting on trev to check things out I never liked the tracking thing a lot of folks were worried they would put it back in more hidden . Trevs point when he found the info in the past was they could track whoever they wanted and whatever they wanted from your phone Intel on you or your texts and pics.

Also if someone wanted to they could hack into that and get your info there self.

Hoping they will no longer go collecting info without a way to shut it off or remove it. Most folks like there privacy :D I always rooted my phones to get rid of all the bloatware and tracking apps. Anyways hope everyone is having a good week.

So far no issues with smith yet hoping trev digs into it :D or some folks go checking it out.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
This was the biggest issue at hand of them all. The usage data wasn't as big of a deal as the fact that b/c they left part of the data "open" in log view it allowed anyone to create an app to catch the data, and then you have some big problems.

Also the fact that there was no opt out like there is with Tell HTC and such now.

I get they have to get usage info on some things for network purposes BUT the info inside text messages and stuff like that is lil much. most they should get told is that you sent A txt message at time X. And general data usage to see what towers your pinging the most and if your having issues, to help them be more proactive on fixing things.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Thanks happy your on the same page man . :D
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I'm honestly a bit fed up with that guy posting the random crap about CIQ all over the place and then not respond to anyone or state what he's trying to do really.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
I know what you mean. Dunno who the person is could be either a fake account with someone trying to get personal info on everyone seems kinda fishy.

Anyway's im sure if it gets bad the mods will ban the account.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Understood, as you can my personal initial questions about your posts too. I've seen your site but you have to agree from my view only seeing ur posts here can be a little confusing as to what you are trying to accomplish with it all.

Till Treve or someone else shows that smith.apk is doing what carrieriq did before I'm going to take any info linking the two together with a grain of salt.

In fact if sprint has a contract with carrieriq I'd expect them to replace it with a related thing that's more secure or does less logging and would understand it being done with a parent or sub company of carrieriq to keep contract there. So fact that smith and carrieriq and coremobility are all listed together doesn't really mean much to me.

Only thing that matters is them going by their privacy policy and making sure data sent is not personal and also secure not able to be seen by other apk's.

Btw never was I assuming you were a fake of any kind. Just trying to understand motive with the posts bc all they show is carrieriq and smith and core mobility are related, which doesn't mean anything in the end really.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Malleylaw No disrespect wasn't sayin you were a spammer or doggin you. Seen a lot of threads with fake users or spammers. Anyways welcome to xda :D Too many folks go around posting stuff sayin there this and that . Thanks for updating on your post .

Glad your on board with everything and helping folks out.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
The code in the Software is flat out gone, simple as that. It wont/cant return unless they run another FULL blown Carrier OTA update with it embedded again. The beauty of Android is with it being Opensource its mighty hard to hide stuff thats running or even able to be run without someone able to find/see it.

The person you quoted over at DSL that said that "sanchanim" I take it doesn't understand how Software works if they are saying things like that. If it was still in there but "OFF" we would know about it b/c the code for it would still be there itself, but its not.

EDIT:

Here is the full link you copied wrong btw too.

http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/01/dppa-class-actions.html

Seems you've been all over the place in regards to privacy stuff going through some of your cases.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Think trev already checked into the smith thing look at his post in the dev section.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I didn't recall him doing much indepth look at it. other than the screenshots that showed it looked like the htcloggers one from before just with smith name on it this time. He did say CIQ was completely gone though from what he saw thus far.

can't search for his posts right now so if he did more detailed write up on it after that let me know b/c i haven't read it.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1443592

heres the thread he would of said something about it in. BUT like i mentioned before he didn't say much at all about it. just that CIQ was gone and Smith.apk looked visually close to the previous HTC loggers apk.

his comment on it is in the first part of the thread by least page 25 if i had to guess.

on the rooted devices thing. so far we dont have "forced" updates like the kindle fire and others can have. We have to actually accept the update when pushed out.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
So I got lost in all the legalese. Is this saying that this Smith whatever and CarrierIQ are the same company?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Smith, core mobiltiy, and CIQ all have some ties together to some extent. BUT this does not mean they do the same thing or close to it because they dont at all.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Well you what they say, you are judged by the company you keep. If all of these companies er, they must all be bad news for consumers.

Nice for Sprint to tout how they are removing CarrierIQ, but forget to mention they are replacing it with the company that bought CarrierIQ.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Completely diff program though. Also makes sense as they likely had contract with them so replacing it with a partner company makes sense to an extent. Even if completely diff programs
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Most if not all of that your gonna have to get directly from TrevE as he is the one that did all the leg work on CarrierIQ stuff to begin with. 99% other people would be giving you a guess on it.

To answer a few though:

1) he just pointed out in that post that the two apk's looked visually the same as shown in his screenshots of the two...

2) Mobile Network that you linked to is NOT the smithmicro mobile network director. That photo shows the general toggle to turn on or off the phones mobile network in quick settings which has always been a feature to allow people to quickly toggle it if they need/want to.

3) Thats my comment there and i stand by it less TrevE shows somehow that smith.apk is doing the carrieriq stuff somehow. He did mention that it looked like all the lines of carrieriq were gone now after the OTA.

4) I can't recall anything to be honest thats been "upload by omadm" as everything we get 99.999% time is straight from OTA's. our device doesn't do OTA updates like the kindle fire does where you have no choice and its forced on you. We always get an OTA update to update things.

Take that back, GoogleMarket updates itself without an update, but thats it really.

5) refers to TrevE's post when he was digging up CIQ stuff long ago when this started to begin with. IQD isn't in the phones anymore though to the best of my knowledge.

6)dunno TrevE would be the one to ask here more than anyone else.

7) another TrevE question

Now to answer your initial ? about tech companies merging and expanding their markets...Companies dont necc have to be expanding "their" market, and more so could be getting into another market or branching off also to expand. They dont have to be related, its diversifying the business more than anything. You can have two products in your businesses that do completely different things all together. IE take Samsung, they do TV's, home appliances, and many other things....

If Smith Micro was in the business of collecting user data then they would say such and all. they could of very well bought CIQ(or however it happened) to simply get their own services/apk's closer to carriers as they wouldn't be an outsider as much anymore and it'd be much easier to discuss with them using their products since they already use a parent companies.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
key word in that is Windows based smartphones. This is Android Land here. hehe
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Think whatever your onto your doing a good job diggin in lol. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] TrevE:
Smith.apk is the updated version of htcloggers.apk I broke back end of September - http://infectedrom.com/showthread.php/559-Vunerability-1-Android-Security-Elevation

I'm guessing it may never have been HTC's program, new signatures are not HTC's on the APK. Besides the signature change it looks like the main change was it is not using TCP ports anymore but Unix domain sockets. Everything else is essentially the same app with just a new name.

By default it looks like it looks at battery and CPU speeds? I noted this in the previous apk version as well. It has the capability of enabling System & Battery log collection it appears but I have not dug into it completely still.

It has an option to upload to FTP, but its disabled by default and the only codepath to update it ive seen so far is by dialing a secret code *#*#SMITH#*#* and enabling it.

I do not see anything to do with throttling or anything network related - for now it looks semi harmless outside of wasting some cycles - it just looks like its capable of uploading full system logs if a user checks the box in the menu accessible only by key combo and fills in an FTP address. I do not see a remote enable as of now...
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Nice job man on digging into things. From smiths site they make it look like they monitor network stuff. Confusion at it's finest.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
It is what they do but it isn't the only thing they do too...

Think a lot of it comes from the paranoia we all have now after the CIQ thing which has us looking over our shoulders all the time and 2nd guessing things.

Like already people claiming this thing shuts off their 3G data when the screen is off, so they removed it...if that were true then I wouldn't get instant email notifications here all day long.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
How can I remove this Smith from my never rooted Evo 3D?
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Why do u want to? Take the tin foil hat off it doesn't do any harm bud.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Stop your fanboy nonsense. I want to remove it because I don't want it on my phone.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Fanboy nonsense? You are the one not making sense wanting it removed. It's not CIQ they are not tracking your texts and stuff like that.

What's the reason to remove it? Did you even read what TrevE said about it. its harmless from what hes seen thus far.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
delete.....
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Just stop. I'm tired of seeing you pretend to be the defender of all things Sprint.

I don't want it taking up resources on my phone, I don't like the permissions it requires, and I don't trust it. Period.

I don't need some jackass telling me I need a tinfoil hat just because I want to remove a virus from my phone. I don't care if said jackass promises the virus is harmless, I still want it removed.

I never installed it, I never gave permission to install it, Sprint never asked me, never even informed me, and there is no obvious way to remove it. It's a virus.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Well if your rooted you can flash a rom that has it already removed or you can go through the process your self I found it eaiser to just root and flash a rom with no smith or anything else.

I never liked all the bloatware that comes on a stock phone which is why alot of us root is to get rid of the crap ware and advertisement apps.

I like it clean and smooth.

Just for future use don't throw the word jackass :eek: in the thread other wise it will get insane and a mod will close it down due to flame war.

The guy isn't a defender of sprint :p he has his own points and views on things like the rest of us nothing wrong with that. :D

Anyways you need any info on anything just PM me man I'll do what I can to help ya out.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
I got it sorted out for the guy :D Anyways he is new gotta cut the man some slack. I'll help the guy out if needed.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
FYI, I'm not new around here.

I asked for help removing an app (really a virus) and he took it upon himself to day I was wearing a tin foil hat (implying that I'm a paranoid nut job) tell me why I should just leave it.

I've seen him around enough to know. Speaking of tin foil hats, see his conspiracy theories about Lightsquared.

Enough with that though. Thanks for the info. I guess I have to root (and void my warranty) in order to remove this virus. Great job Sprint.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Really won't void your warranty I was lookin at the amount of thanks you had lol wasn't saying your new new just not many posts or thanks.

Root won't void it as long as you don't over clock your phone and fry the CPU. Never had a issue having a rooted phone with sprint.

HTC was just covering there ass's when comes to root cause folks like to overclock there phones and spank them which that voids the warranty or a brick. So other then that shouldn't have a big issue.

I stayed stock for awhile but got annoyed lookin at flicker and the other apps that you can't get rid off :( so I jumped aboard with root. Let's you put what you want and don't want on your phone. Plus I don't like knowing my personal info is going in and out places due to some funky app. You do have to watch out on the market tho there are some junk and spyware out there too. I never liked the fact that alot of the free **** to try out is AD supported and it want's to know your location and all the permissions it requires.

Alot of the stuff is annoying the amount of permissions it requires tho on these phones there like linux on way you can stub your toe is giving a app SU permisson.

I know what you mean man when it comes to folks saying this and that about other folks and not being a good XDA memeber to others. I just roll with things and ignore the bad and post the good :D
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
ok "jackass" really? you resort to name calling now? and one of those you refer that name to is the guy that started the finding of the whole CIQ storm to begin with so next time you resort to name calling you might want to sit back and take a chill pill.

Personally me im just trying to talk some sense into you and be sure you have sound reason for doing it and not just assuming its some CIQ like apk as others do still.

I'm just saying you should sit back and think about WHY you want it gone. One its not a virus in the slightest bit. You say resources it takes up and the permissions it requires. Okay since thats your reasoning then you need to go ahead and strip the Tell HTC portion of the phone along with many many other things too.

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hey im all for conspiracy theories man, But I wasn't doing any more than relaying what i read directly in news articles about the Lightsquared stuff. sorry for bringing that up to begin with there jeez kid.

from the horses mouth (TREVE) you can read that this thing does no real harm unlike what CIQ did.

maybe i went too far in the tin foil hat comment earlier and apologize for that, but i assumed you were one of the people just jumping in wanting to remove it b/c you thought it cut your 3G off or did CIQ stuff, b/c those are both not the case with the thing.

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THIS!!

The market can be wayyy tricky esp with app permissions and how it hides some and makes you make the extra click to see all of the ones the app is asking for when installing it.

Example: just the other week "LinkedIn" app got absolutely blasted for the updated it made which brought a whole bunch of new permissions and allowed to see "secret personal data..." among other things. Its crap like that we have to watch out for more than anything. that app has absolutely zero business with that stuff.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
For the record, you were the only one I called a jackass (and last I saw from trevE he was still investigating and want sure yet). And it was absolutely warranted. I don't need to justify why I want to remove a virus from my phone to you. If you weren't going to help me out then you shouldn't have even replied to my question. Saying I wear a tin foil hat and then defending the virus that I am trying to remove was out of line.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Post #58 in this thread TrevE spoke about it.

Still its not a virus though. If its a virus then the TellHTC function is a virus along with many other aspects that satisfy your requirement of "taking up resources and permissions it requires."

like i said before kid im sorry i jumped to the tinfoil hat comment I shoulda just asked why you wanted it gone first and left it at that. Reason i say that is there are many that are still assuming the thing is just CIQ part2 and stuff like that and I wanted to make sure you werent assuming it was and that was ur reasoning for it.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
No flame war's keep post related to the topic

Cool anyways no flame wars let the law guy do his thing and Trev do his **** :D Have a good weekend. Anything else that needs to be posted related to smith belongs here or questions no flame wars.

Thread has been a good one no need for name calling.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Well anyone have anything new they wanna add to this?
[HTC EVO 3D] willy900wonka:
Out of curiosity, is it possible to remote activate the *#*#SMITH#*#* , since the carriers have our msl's?
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
I have no doubt there is some way sure the carriers to use this Smith app. They wouldn't have put it on the phone (with no way to remove it) if they couldn't use it.

Just because we haven't found how they use it doesn't mean they can't use it.

They had CarrierIQ on every one of our phones for several years before TrevE discovered it. And then they lied about it until he proved they were lying.

If it did nothing they wouldn't have put it there. Or at the very least we would have the option to remove it.

Why is Facebook worth billions? Because having personal information on millions of people is very valuable. Anyone who thinks a broke ass company like Sprint will just willingly let go of that potential revenue is pretty naive.