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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
The speed does drop, but it doesnt fall out like most people here.

My WiFi and BT keep connected, and like Opentoe, I get around 28 Mbs with BT off, and once BT starts it goes down to 10 Mbs. But both are solid and connection never drops.

I already posted my speeds on another thread.

Edit: The issue I have read here is that either BT conection or WiFi will completely die. IE: no connection to the internet or BT stream stops.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
What was the point of the video then? To show you can do both at the same time? You openly admit you have the same problem as most of us, so to say that not all Primes have this issue is just bogus. Mine doesn't disconnect one or the other either, but losing at least 60% of your bandwidth while using both IS an issue (mine goes from 30mb without to about 2Mb while streaming). Personally I just deal with it because I'm not gonna go thru an RMA nightmare for something that probably wont even be fixed anyway LOL
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Dude, calm down. What's up with all the hate on these forums.

The point of the video is to show that not all of us lose one of the 2 connections, or even both.

"You openly admit" where are we in court or something? lol, chill out man.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
I'm not "hating" , I'm simply calling you out on the fact that you say not ALL Primes exhibit this defect when it seems there sure is a lot that do! (yours and mine included)

Opentoe said it best a few pages back. Maybe I'm just disappointed your video didn't prove him wrong.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Defect according to first post:

And from reading the a lot of the posts here, that's what most of the people is suffering from.

So, point of the video: C20 Prime ( At least mine) do not drop completely the connection. Why do we lose our bandwith when using both is already known by I think everyone (Alu case + BT/WiFi running on the same antenna).

Just wanted to show than even with the WiFi speed drop, is still possible to stream HD Video (for those who want to see Movies).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
I am truly happy for you, but what's the point? You have a better Prime, maybe, than we have.

We have older models, maybe, and we have the issue.

What are you telling us?

Mine has even been RMA'ed, and still is not working.

So there is an issue unresolved for many and not present for some. Good for you.

I still believe that your Prime is as buggy as ours, just a less buggy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Sorry your Prime doesnt work as it should, but there are new Prime users who check these boards before buying it, others looking for a hint on which serial number to look for to avoid BT/Wifi drops.

I did not only post that my prime works, I also gave my serial number (how it starts anyways), and helped others find the Primes they are looking for via PM.

What am I telling you? Looks like C2 serials are working better than B series. C3 might be the same or better, need someone with a C3 to test it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NeoMagus:
Looking for a serial number isnt going to help when they ALL use the same Wifi/BT combo chip for hardware. My Prime "works" as well, but to ignore the issue that I'm losing all that bandwidth by streaming to my headphones is just ignorant
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kenbr:
I have to say since I RMA'd my TF201 I'm pretty much good with the WiFi/Bluetooth issue. Before I sent it I could not stream video with bluetooth headphones. If I did a speed test while streaming audio through bluetooth my WiFi speed would drop down to 300k and would sometimes fail. I have now streamed several hours of video with my headphones without buffering or disconnects. The WiFi speed still slows down but not nearly as much as it did before.

Just for yucks I tried the same test on my Galaxy S2 which I've never had a problem with. The WiFi on it slows down considerably while streaming bluetooth audio but because I've never had buffering or disconnect problems so I've never tested it.

That's pretty much where I'm at with the TF201. The WiFi still slows down but I can do what I want without any problem so I'm pretty much good to go..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
I just tested my Motorola Defy and my gf Desire S, interesting the results...

Both phones lost a lot of the Bandwidth.

The Defy went down from 12 Mbs to 549 kbps while streaming ( O.o ) and the Desire S went down from 11 Mbs to 5 Mbs (Sound quality is crap tho).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bgm307:
So much for a pause in production. Just got a April 6 delivery date from Amazon. Changed from May 2.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
It is true that both Best Buy and Staples are waiting on a revised Prime model and there are no open orders for either retail chain in their point of sale system for the current SKUs. Staples had some stock and stock that Best Buy refused back in February is also being pushed around different mail order channels now. Due to high returns, not all retailers want the current SKUs.

I still am wondering though if it is the T300 really shipping and not the Prime. That said, perhaps the revised Prime has new SKU numbers, hence not showing at Best Buy and Staples. Go to any Best Buy or Staples and ask a person (if not busy of course and know where to look in their POS system) and they can check what is in route to distribution (open orders) and what is in route to their stores (transfers).

Added: Best Buy must be getting something "soon", since they have a lot of accessories/keyboards that they make good money on when attaching with the tablet sales.

---------- Post added at 01:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:20 PM ----------

Considering all current Primes have the same two antennas for wifi and the same solid aluminum back, seems such a statement by Asus would be false.

That said, any folks with good wifi results with the Prime must have some kick a$$ wifi routers :) All I know is the Transformer has amazing (probably the best) wifi reception and the Prime is almost as bad as the awful Acer A500.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
To make it clear that this is an issue existing for many users..

I post part of the last message, I received from ASUS USA, which answered a mail I wrote after getting back my Prime from RMA.

Quote:

The BT and WIFI is controlled by a single chip therefore, both are utilizing the same antenna for connections. While streaming, WIFI or BT speed or bandwidth connection will be affected and may cause connection to drop depending which device has the priority on the network. A possible software patch, driver or firmware update may resolve the issue and will improve connectivity, there is no guarantee that this may happen. Our Software Team is looking into this and a hot fix may be available soon. Meanwhile, we recommend not using both WIFI and BT simultaneously to avoid connection drop.

Thank You,

Rodel L.

ASUS Product Support

Toll Free: (888) 678-3688

Essentio Desktop: (877) 339-2787

Business Hours: 24/7

http://usa.asus.com: http://service.asus.com/

End quote

So I think that those people claiming that their Prime is fine, are lucky or not testing the right way.

I tested the last week with 3 different Plantronics BT headsets and I cannot use WiFi and BT, without having either drops or losing all my 34/34 m/bit fibre connection, even at 2 meters from my "Super Excellent" Netgear3700.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Well he did say " may cause connection to drop depending which device has the priority on the network." So it might depend on which you start up first. Erusman, one who opened up his 1st. Prime and modded it, has a new prime and its a new C3 model. He tested it just like you all do and says he doesn't suffer from the drop off at all. Seen other new people post the same also.

I don't have a BT headset but I transfer large files and videos/movies from my Atrix to my prime. I can have files transferring by BT to prime and stream a video or movie, through wifi, and movie still play fine. No noticeable drop off in speeds.

It seems like alot of manufacturers are going with a single chip design on wifi/BT. Alot of other devices have same issue. They do this to cut down on costs and is why more companies are taking that route. Plus it probably saves that much more space inside due to not using separate chips. New FCC report on the 300 model shows it uses the same single chip design. They even specifically note the two can't be used simultaneously really.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
What you mean "depend on what you start up first"

WiFi is always on.. BT started only when needed, as it drain the battery.

Even turning off WiFi and starting BT first does not change the result.

As said, fine somebody has success.. Good gor them.

Tell me so what is the "right" way to start things up... :-)

WiFi always on so it should have priority 1 according to you, but it's the one that goes down first.

Your theory is not "proven" :-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Not sure..lol just going off what he said that it depends on which device has more priority on the network. So there must be a way to determine or change which has priority.

Maybe try connecting BT headset up first, with wifi off. Once connected and paired, cut on wifi and see if there's a difference in performance. Vs. Wifi already on then pairing and connecting BT headset. Worth a shot..lol. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
My Sprint Epic 4G Touch (SGS II) is unusable for anything else on wifi when I'm streaming audio to my Motorola headphones. Wifi drops to under 300kbps and the browser won't load sites.

My Motorola Photon has a dropoff (say, 20MB/s to 4MB/s), but is still usable.

My original Transformer had a dropoff (say, from 20MB/s to 4MB/s), but was still usable.

Haven't tried my Prime in awhile. But, bottom line is, as I've been saying from the first: I just don't think this wifi/BT thing is a problem that's at all unique to the Prime. I think many (most?) mobile devices have it, some worse than others. And, it looks like quite a few people are seeing dropoffs equivalent to the original Transformer, but wifi is still usable. I'd say, that means there's no "problem"...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
I would accept a degrade in the connection speed too, if I still could use BT and WiFi.

But, YouTube buffer, Skype is almost unusable, browsing gets slow like if I was on a 56K modem (for the old guys)..:p

I like my Prime, seriously, I never use our IPad2.. (which has no issue with BT/WiFi with same headset and same spot).

I am disappointed that they did not fix it in my RMA, disappointed that Gary seems to have dropped this thread and that "software team" has not found a way to minimize the issue. It will never disappear 100% with this design, but at least reduce the degrade to an "acceptable" level.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I suppose my point is: there are a number of other devices that have now been independently verified as having the same problem, up to and including wifi being unusable while streaming to BT headphones. Perhaps this is a problem that neither ASUS, nor Samsung, nor Motorola, nor etc., will be able to fix. At the very least, it should be recognized that it's not unique to ASUS and we shouldn't expect ASUS to be able to perform miracles any more than those other manufacturers.

I'm going to try this on my wife's Samsung GT 10.1 and see how it performs. I'll report back...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
Then Apple can what all others cannot :-(

Sad because I like android, more than Apple.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] killermojo:
Looks like Apple is handling their wifi issues properly at least...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tured+Content)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] osunsanseun:
Hey when you first PM Gary...was there any action taken to improve your wifi? And does it work well now? My is kind of really bad.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
actually my wifi works pretty well since out the box. I had pm him on details of BT/wifi issue. I get great download speeds and signal strength on par or better than my Ipad and Atrix phone.

describe your wifi scenario that's bad. Have you pm or email him? he has been very busy lately traveling, so it may be reason for delayed responses. Have you tried an RMA? when did you buy your unit and first 4 of serial number?

I had bumped the thread in the beginning because it seemed like no one noticed it but me. So figured people might want to know about this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] osunsanseun:
C3OK is first 4. Bought it last week and received on Monday. I read his post so I emailed asus first and if they don't respond in 72 hours like he said for NA poeple then we should PM him.

Specific Problem: Wifi reception is too low when I'm in class (I'm in college) and the browser takes forever to load if it loads at all.

I am here in this lobby and browser working really well. I am happy but when I'm in other places that I need internet and reception is bad. What do I do?

I haven't tested Bluetooth yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] newellj79:
Sorry to say there isn't much of anything to do. It's a mass problem, with very few people getting back rma units claiming to have any improvement. I'm only aware of one person who has one (about as new as yours) claiming that everything including wifi reception is working great. I do consider him to be credible.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ziocomposite:
Yes I do hope they have some kind of solution soon. I also purchased prime last week. Same serial as above & same problem with wi-fi. Not bad near the router. But once I go to a specific spot in my house, it reduces dramatically. My OG Droid has -75dbm@ 11.1 mb/s, Verizon G.Nexus -72dbm@ 4.6 mb/s, & Prime @ -78dbm @ .56-1.6 mb/s. The OG Droid absolutely wipes the floor with the new top line devices but can't process it fast enough lol. The Nexus is slow but bearable. The Prime on the other hand is abysmal. I don't mind sending it in once there is proof that the wi-fi does get fixed or some kind of exchange for one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] n8mack33:
OK, I've seriously got to stop checking this thread like 20 times a day. It would have been nice if Gary used less words like "soon" and more words like "at some point" or "in the near future". I hope we're not all setting ourselves up for disappointment.

Speaking of disappointment, I'm dissapointed the Prime has lost momentum because of these manufacturing/design issues, because the more people that have them and the more active the community it the better it is for all of us. That is one of the main reasons I will consider asking for a refund if this announcment doesn't right the ship.

In terms of form factor and performance (some issues aside) there is nothing else that compares except for perhaps the upcoming ASUS releases. To me the dock makes all the difference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
O god. Once again. How many times do I have to say if you make a video trying to prove your have no BT/WIFI connection you have to SHOW YOUR SPEEDTESTS PRIOR TO BT CONNECTION AND SHOW YOUR SPEEDTESTS DURING BT CONNECTION AND SHOW YOUR SPEEDTESTS AFTER BT CONNECTION. Yea, there are times I can stream some things from youtube or Netflix while using my BT. Just like you did. God, I wish I had a friggin video camera. All these useless videos on people trying to prove they have a perfect working Prime is a waste of time. Sorry man, I'm just tired of seeing all these posts about this and not one person STILL hasn't shown what is really needed. I'll apologize until my head hurts if I actually see a proven video, but the weird thing is after all this time not one person has made one. Sorry.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gunteer:
We have 3 tf201's in my household. 2 is BCO and 1 is C20.

All 3 has the same and wellknown BT/WIFI problem. To state that only 1% has this problem is simply veil, to avoid attempting to solve the problem. Sad that for my household, it is not 1% but 100% faulty tf201's.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
As requested, video of my Prime with and without BT Audio Stream.

And as expected, there is a loss in speed since both are running on the same chip, I tried also my wifes Desire S, my Defy and my HD2. Desire S and Defy showed speed drops (Defy was almost unusable, 300kbps :/ )

The only to actually show an increase on WiFi speed (wtf lol) was my HD2. It went from 13 Mbps to 15.

I dont know if you can clearly read the numbers on the vid (sorry, crappy camera).

No BT stream: 24.91 Mbps.

BT Audio streaming: 18.13 Mbps.

Video link
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
How could you use YouTube together with the Speedtest at the same time, because the issue here is that WiFi and BT cannot work together if you are streaming YouTube, Netflix and so on.

If you just play MP3 locally and not using the WiFi for streaming, but only for browsing, then of course the dropping of WiFi speed is not important.

Plus the big fall is when the 2 are used at the same time, then you lose 90 or more% of the speed.

The issue here is that WiFi and streaming music or video, made the connction dead or useless/buffering.

I cannot test Skype with BT headset either, because the connection is decreasing and destroying audio and video...

Sorry but your test is only partially good.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Sorry, but I think you didnt understand completely both tests.

First video here showed 1080p video being streamed and audio played through Bluetooth. No dropoffs. I have watched quite a few movies like that, and never had issues.

Second video was requested by Opentoe, I did exactly what he asked to do. WiFi Speeds with and without an audio stream. Audio is being played through the Headphones (at the end you can see changing the Volume and the BT logo is clearly there.

Both connections are being used, that's why I start the Music first (second speed test), so there is an established BT audio stream once I hit TEST.

Result? well, you saw it. There is a drop in speed, but far from 90%.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] beavertank:
This isn't a video, although I can make one if anyone would really like, but these are my results:

BT off, Wifi on: d/l 24.7 mbps u/l 3.5 mbps

BT on (and streaming), Wifi on (and streaming): d/l 8.3 mpbs u/l 2.8mbps

So a 66% drop in download speed and a 20% drop in upload speed. While I wouldn't call that GREAT it's also not unusable, and should be enough to keep even netflix HD streaming smooth.

And before you ask - I left it going for about 15 minutes, retested periodically, and saw no progressive decrease; every measurement was roughly equal. After disconnecting the bluetooth device my speeds went back to normal (with Pandora still streaming), no restart was required.

A 66% drop in speed seems excessive to me, but I have a feeling that primes like this are what fall into the category of "good" and what make some people at least claim that theirs have no problems.

Screenshots attached for your viewing pleasure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
What serial number is your Prime?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] beavertank:
It's a C2OKA.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
Like I said before, I think these C2's came better as first B series. You can see my speeds on second video, it drops from 24.91 to 18.13 (~28% drop).

Mine is CO2KA too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myboyfriendisageek.airbrowser

But the Skype instance is enough, you should be able to use a headset and still video chat.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
Sorry man, in your own words "There is a drop in speed". Technically there shouldn't be any drop. You went from around 27-29Mbps/sec to 17Mbps/sec from what I saw in the video. It was a little blurry. For just activating a BT connection your speeds drop almost 14Mbps/sec. So, in reality you do have a problem and since you have enough bandwidth you may get lucky and be able to stream movies and such without buffering. I have to say those are the best speeds I have seen yet when using BT connection, even though there still is a technical problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
The thing is, with the Bluetooth/Wifi implementation Asus went there will always, always be a drop off. That is the issue of having bt/wifi on the same chip. Its being used more and more everyday cause of costs and space.

That's why it happens to a lot of phones too, no idea about other tablets.

The drop is more like 7mps, from 24.91 to 18.13.

Anyways, right now I'm happy with the speeds i have and I really doubt they will get any better without a hardware change. Maybe an extra antenna with the new GPS dongle? Who knows ^^
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bimbobo:
You keep talking but not get to the point.

If you are happy, fine! You have a newer batch, maybe something is different.

I live in a house, not a flat, from my router to the living room I have 45 feet, my fibre connection is 34/34 mbit,. When I use BT and WiFi, the connection drops in a way that neither Skype call, Youtube, or else works anymore. Period.

My Prime was RMAed like Gary told me to do, in 1 of his mail. It did not help.

All, all, all other devices I have work. Ipad2, Samsung Galaxy S+, Acer laptop, Htc Desire.

My loved Prime does not. YOURS does, and then what!

If they offered me a replacement with C3, C4, or whatever working, I would like a replacement.

Many here are not as lucky as you THINK you are. Move 45 feet and 4 walls away from your router and tell us what you can do then. Can you still use Skype with a Bt headset( which I need to test as NDA tester), or Youtube, then you hit the jackpot, but do not tell us that we are " idiots" or find issues that not exist at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Zephyrot:
First, i never called anyone idiot. Lets make that clear.

You my friend really need to chill out, I have been performing the tests people have asked here, not caring about the result. I don't get a prize or money from Asus or win anything if my Prime works

The complete point of these tests are:

-If newer batches are way better than first series, old users should get a replacement.

-If newer Primes are indeed working better, people looking for them should try to search newer batches.

Not my fault that your Prime is not working, and if I'm not wrong i never said in any Post that all other users with issues are conspiring against Asus or are liars.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MRCANNADY:
Just give it up bro..you don't have to prove anything to anyone unless they bought your Prime for you lol. I find it amazing how people try to convince everyone that ALL Primes are bad, like we are a bunch of retards an can't run test. I was an early adopter, my Prime ONLY drops 4mb or so when using my Bluetooth headphones plus Skyping. Yes, I have ran all test as wifi is important to me but my Prime is working as well as my HTC sensation, even two rooms from my router.

I and many others have already reported that our Primes work fine, an find it funny how some folks here continue to try to tell us that we dont know what we are talking about. Like we can't understand how to run test ourselves lol. For those who have Prime issues, the newer batches should resolve this, for others who don't, enjoy your fully working tablet as I do.

No need for people getting upset if people dont want join the Prime bashing club, this is an XDA forum not a after school children's gathering lol...