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[Android General] kaijura:
The limits are going to be your budget. ;)

Seems as of this posting time, the best your money can get you are the Canadian Amaze 4G (x715m), the Canadian GSM Galaxy Nexus, or a GSM Samsung Galaxy Note. The should all work fine.

I'm still not sure if the T-mobile Amaze 4G works with a dumbphone plan, the 3G frequencies are supported, but the device was made to support AT&T radios in mind. Does that mean AT&T will eventually add these to their database to catch the money loopholes? This is only an answer their marketing/economics division can answer.

AT&T had the IMEI's of GSM Nexus S and Nexus Ones when they were released for the Canadian carriers, so most of those users got bumped to a smartphone plan. Part of it was I think because it is google endorsed, those IMEI sequences were not exclusive to the respective carriers.

I suppose it mainly depends on which flavor of SoC you want to try. Samsung for the Exynos, or the same old Snapdragon line. Personally, I'd wait to see what MWC this month comes out with. Those phones won't be released till some months later down the line, but at least you'll know what's new in 2012 for now instead of paying premium for the current lineup.
[Android General] Fuzzums:
The goal is to find a phone that isn't too costly (Max $600, preferably less than 500) that will work with AT&T 3G. None of us need 4G LTE as that just means we'll reach the bandwidth cap higher and tip off AT&T. A bonus would be if the phone worked with T-Mobile 3G as well since we might switch to them to get cheaper plans if this fails.

We've been dying to get smartphones, but none of us want to pay an additional $20 per line (4 lines total) which would equate to 480+tax per line (4 lines total $1920+Tax) over 2 years plus the cost of a new phone locked down with AT&T bloatware and features. We also want to avoid the possibility of data overages because $10 per gig overage is ridiculous. So using unlocked phones is our best way to avoid all the above.

However, I think I'll take your advice and try to wait a bit longer to see what comes out in the upcoming months. Once the new phones come pouring out, the current ones will get cheaper, or at least I hope :D

Thanks again for this thread, it's been very helpful and informative!
[Android General] kevace1:
Something i think should be kept in mind is that i think getting the medianet plan on AT&T will limit you to at best "3g" speeds. What do I mean?? well, when i went from a Sony X10 to the LG thrill that I picked up cheap locally, the LG didn't work data wise, even though i had the $25 data plan already. When I called AT&T, the rep told me it did not work because they had to sign me to the "4G" plan, same price, $25, but he said that he just had to subscribe me to the "4G" plan, and viola!! it worked after a reboot. Now i know that the HSPA+ 4G is not all its cracked up to be, especially here where I live, New York City. And in actuality, i did not see any inprovement in speed compared to my Sony X10, which has the same HSPA spec as the Xperia Play, 7.2 mbps, but AT&T never adertized the Sony Xperia X10 as a "4G" phone, even though it can theoretically reach "4G" speeds. With the speedtest app from the market from Ookla, on my Xperia X10, i would on a good day get around 2-3Mbps. Doing the same test on a downtown heavily populated area where i know there are many thousands iphone loser users lurking around soaking up bandwidth on their crummy iOS's, i would get 1-1.5Mbps. I am seeing the exact same results on my "4G" capable LG Thrill.

Just though it would be interesting to bring this point out and invite other users to try out the same and see if they get actual different results upon changing their plan so we AT&T users can make a more informed decision

I also would like to ask where would be a good source where we can get these phones? Ebay isn't much of a great choice as they will not show you international auctions unless they say they ship worldwide, anybody know of any other sites we can check? (craigslist does not count oufcourse)
[Android General] Togge850:
Hi all, I'm trying to install this ROM, vegacomb_hc3.2 build9n pov tegra 3g wifi internal gos I have a question, works internal 3g?

thanks.
[Android General] kaijura:
I think over the issue may have been a bad/old/inactivated SIM card, or you forgot to put APN settings, or it may have to do with the radio towers in your area. Some kind of temporary issue that shouldn't apply to most people. The main thing to keep in mind about all that is AT&T has literally no control over the 3G broadcast, whatever device puts in their 3G SIM, will pick up the signal if it can. They can't exclude devices from the broadcast unless the SIM is inactive.

I prefer to call UMTS 3G, HSPA+ 3.5G, and LTE 4G, but this is just a personal name preference.

In regards to HSPA+, yeah, it varies by your location and with the traffic it is currently handling with the people connected in your area. In a metro, diverse and compressed location like NYC, it's bound to have traffic. It can reach LTE-like speeds, but only if you have little traffic. I've found that I get the best speedtest results in the wee hours of the morning from where I am from, as far as 823kb/sec (6.43Mbps).

Other than eBay, other options include negri electronics, expansys, and forums like here and Howardforums (be aware of trading scammers).
[Android General] kaijura:
Is this a tablet? Advent Vega?

Looking it up, I think it doesn't have native 3G support, you may be installing a rom that adds support for 3G usb dongles. I don't know much about that and it's not related to this topic.
[Android General] shsplaying:
Anybody know if LG Optimus 3D works on media.net plan?

I am thinking about getting P920 or P925G. Probably P925G since it's from Canadian Rogers Wireless, and supports both 850mhz and 1900mhz.....and cheaper than P920, the international version.

Does anybody know LG Optimus 3D - P925G (Canadian version of LG Thrill) works on media.net data plan?

Thx in advance.
[Android General] kaijura:
I am 9/10 confident the Rogers Optimus 3D p925g will run on AT&T 3G, but I don't know for sure if it will get detected as a smartphone. I wish I had the answer but this is a less popular phone so it is hard to find the answer on the web.

There are a few on the NO list randomly do for no reason, like the white samsung galaxy note IMEI is detected as a Blackberry for AT&T.

According to this ebay auction for the 920: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mint-Conditi...Hz-4G-HSPA-Unlocked-World-Phone-/220875387241

the guy says he has been using the p920 with medianet:
[Android General] phonephoenix:
Droid 2 global & Droid Pro work on ATT's media net as well, with the TBH band Unlock.

I hear they are working on a similar band unlock so that the Photon and Electrify work in the same way.

I might get a Rogers Xperia Arc, so i'll come back and post results if I end up buying one.
[Android General] stumpyz9:
What about the desire s? Has the correct bands
[Android General] kaijura:
Thanks, update me on the Rogers Xperia. I'll update the thread when I see it.

It is missing one necessary band to be fully compatible, ATT uses the 850/1900mhz band.

The Desire S was released only for the euro market in mind. 900/1900/2100/AWS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire_S

So what this means is that you might get 3G/HSPA in some areas, but in other areas it'll be EDGE only, depending on what is the major broadcast signal in your area.

Sort of a reverse HTC HD2 situation here. That phone works with the 850 areas, but not the 1900's.
[Android General] legalmumbojumbo:
Hey guys,

I'm in an area which is almost completely saturated in wi-fi, so I would like to use a smart phone, but without a data plan. AT&T obviously doesn't allow this. I don't actually care about using data on medianet.

What's the best international/Canadian phone that's available for around $150? I don't feel comfortable dropping $400 on a phone, due to the fact I have a perchance of losing stuff.

Thank you so much!
[Android General] Juicy555:
Again i tethered for 10 seconds and got bumped up. I would not recremend trying it.

But its a tradeoff for getting unlimimted data for 10$/month! :D
[Android General] dkotoric:
I never tether even when i could so why start now lol

Sent from my GT-N7000
[Android General] sk337sk337:
If you had of asked this last week I would of had an i9000m for 130 shipped!
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
I have an optimus LTE and I'm in Atlanta which is an LTE zone, but I have never bothered changing the apn's or getting an LTE sim card.
[Android General] sk337sk337:
do it!!
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
Hahaha I'll get on it this week. I'm on ebay looking for a LTE sim.
[Android General] sk337sk337:
Why? Just go to the store and theyll give you a free one.
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
Not when you're on medianet...
[Android General] sk337sk337:
tell them you ordered a note from ebay and it will be there tomorrow....
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
Then they take me off medianet and put me on a plan for the note. You can't just get an LTE sim at the stores...
[Android General] sk337sk337:
You'd think it would be easier!
[Android General] nunyabiziz:
So is the question here about getting lte on media net to work? If so then the answer is that lte WILL NOT work on a media net data plan.
[Android General] dcarr622:
In what configuration (phone/SIM/plan) have you tested this?
[Android General] nunyabiziz:
Media net does not have the correct SOC/provisioning code to access the correct apn for lte.
[Android General] dcarr622:
Many have assumed that, but you're confirmed it personally? If so, that's good...we need someone who has actually tested this in-hand.
[Android General] BananaPhone69:
With the right sim and manual apn entry, why wouldn't it work?
[Android General] sk337sk337:
Exactly, my question.

exactly. unless he's tried it then we don't know
[Android General] nunyabiziz:
Yes it has been confirmed, medianet will only allow access to wap.cingular. I have all the requirement for lte to work. After data plan changed to media net the device will no longer be allowed access to the pta apn.
[Android General] dcarr622:
So are you using the Canadian One X with LTE, an AT&T LTE sim card, and the medianet plan? And it doesn't work? That's basically the scenario we are trying to determine if it works or not.
[Android General] nondeclination:
Tried a Nokia Lumia 1320 RM-995 (Latin America) today. Got text from AT&T six hours later. Not many Windows Phone 8 devices left to try.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
I found my xiaomi mi2 so I reactivated my $35 go phone plan a few days ago and its working well. I've used about 800 mb so far. I haven't steamed anything but I did bitorrent a a couple hundred Mbs.
[Android General] bksamb:
hey what about the htc dual sim ??
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Yes I use voice recognition all the time on the go over 3g and hspa+. I think the flagging system is automated. No one is sitting around at ATT employed as the "off the grid smartphone" hunter. It's just a matter of whether or not the system recognizes your imei and flags you accordingly. Although the imei and some other factors can give lots of information, it's all down to what is implemented and enforced.

Things that they MAY know without you telling them:

-imei (obviously)

-model number of phone

-firmware you're running

-whether or not the phone has been reported stolen (yes even from different carriers - they temporarily suspended my line when I tried using a phone that I did not know was reported stolen)

I'm sure there's more info they can gather on you, but this is what I know so far.

Sent from my Droid RAZR M
[Android General] WhatDa?:
I never said or thought an employee would be monitoring anyone's phone.

It can't be AT&T looking at firmware because anyone using any version of android would be considered a smartphone.

If net10 just shared their phones list (which is a lot of phones) then that would explain a lot of flagging.

I went to net10 and saw they did sell my RAZR xt910 at one time. I did not see the RAZR M.

My phone was never on net10.

If your phone is blacklisted then that would be a specific imei to your phone only. Their smartphone list

wouldn't be every complete imei but a general list to many phones of a model.

So maybe a good way to see if it is net10 would be,

anyone who just got flagged do a search for the phone model and net10.

Don’t just go to net10 and look because they don’t show that many models.

Report if you did or didn't see net10 selling it a one time.
[Android General] ClearD:
At&t customer support told me what version of Android I was running. They didn't tell me I was running cyanogenmod, but I'm not sure they looked too hard into it either. So yes, they can remotely see that you're running Android, and could probably flag you that way if they *really* wanted to be dicks.

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[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
So what kind of phone did you have?
[Android General] phoenixforce:
I finally got flagged around May 21st for smart phone usage. I generally stay in the same geographical region (CA), but flew to Oregon for a day...when I landed I noticed my data was on and I usually leave it off, and almost immediately after that I received a warning text that if I continued to use a smart phone a data plan would be added. Data on the phone has been off since then. Yesterday my phones data turned on again and they switched the plan on me. I called in today with my old dumb phone and they changed it back but...looks like it might be the end of the road for my P880 :(

I plan to put it back in the P880 again today to see if it re-flags. Not sure if it was a coincidence that it all started when I changed states or if something else is tipping them off, or if they actually can see the phone, because it never showed up on the ATT website (generic image), although they did know it was an LG.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
My p880 got flagged about 6 months ago..... really liked that phone. I'm traveling next month, I wonder if that makes a difference?
[Android General] gtmaster303:
If a phone gets flagged, it's pretty much instant from that point onward, no matter how much you swap phones and call them back to change it

Sent from my Droid RAZR M
[Android General] broke_duece:
I've finally got flagged after years of use. I've been using the dumbphone plan with my Nokia n8 since about 2010 or sooner. Been using it with the Nokia 808 since 2012. I average about 3 - 7 Gigs per month. And since January of this year I decided to cancel my main internet service and tether all internet activities from my Nokia 808(I wanted to test their limits). I was averaging 30 - 40 Gigs per month until June 3 at&t sent me a text putting me on the $30 / month.

Right away I put my sim into a dumbphone and changed my plan back to the medianet plan. Waited a day to use my 808, but hours later i received the same $30 text. I called at&t, and they were able to tell me I was using a Nokia 808. They finally got me after all these years. At&t must have gotten a new list of phones. It was a great run, time to head to Tmobile.... Also, the great thing about the Nokia 808 is that I too can tether all I want on any of Tmobile plans. Though this time, I'm wont be pushing my limits.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
I think T-Mobile throttles you after a certain amount too, although it is unlimited

Sent from my Droid RAZR M
[Android General] joshyth:
It's actually unlimited if you get the true unlimited plan. With tethering, if you hit the tethering limit they just cut you off from tethering, but there are way to bypass that like changing user-agent or vpn.
[Android General] ClearD:
Sorry, forgot to check this thread again. I've got a galaxy s3 running cm11.

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Does anyone think a unlocked iPhone 5 from another country would work on media net. I know people were using Verizon I phones successfully.
[Android General] snekiam:
No, it will not work. The only reason the Verizon iphones worked was because they were cdma+lte, and happened to have a gsm radio in them too. AT&T therefore did not have the IMEIs for these phones, as they were activated with MEIDs instead. AT&T now DOES have these IMEIs, and Verizon iphones are consistently being flagged. A list of phones used to be kept updated, but is no longer updated. It included international and Canadian android phones as being flagged, so no reason an iphone would not be.
[Android General] Henry320:
Anyone using Huawei phones? Was looking at the P6 for my wife, but doesn't want a data plan. Wondered if it works.
[Android General] lovem:
Was once using a Huawei Ascend Mate 1, but got flagged December of 2013. I would stay away from Huawei since At** carries theit handsets and if they aren't flagged initially will eventually get flagged. You may be able to get 6-12 months use out of them before a flag.
[Android General] Henry320:
Thanks for the heads up, did you disable data on the phone?
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
if you don't care about data then any phone will work even att phones with a data block put on the account.

if you do want data xiaomi phones work well. I've been on my xiaomi mi2 since last September on media net.

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OK thanks. I thought I had a good deal on one but it was a price mistake. though people are using Verizon 5s on media net, I guess its a matter of time til there found out. I'll stick with Chinese phones then. I'm wanting to get a xiaomi mi3 soon anyway.
[Android General] joycerhaslett:
you must know the feature of the mobile phone you are using, and the internet provider this is important especially if you want to upgrade what is compatible so that it will not cost you so much.
[Android General] htc4668:
Blu Quattro 4.5 and 4.5HD confirmed both are working on MediaNet. Same with Huawei Ascend P1 LTE. I used both, tethered 3 to 6GB a month. In terms of tethering, I would stay away from stock tethering. I use stock tethering in conjunction with SVTP app on Play Store. FoxFi was a really great alternative but ATT flagged data coming from that app somehow. SVTP has been working strong however. I have my wife's iphone 5S tethered to my SVTP (we only have a 200MB plan on her line) but even with her massive data use, it hasn't been an issue.
[Android General] lantern20:
Lg g2 d802

Has anyone tried the LG G2 D802 international version with AT&T medianet?
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
I highly doubt it will work since att sells the lg g2 they probably know all of the imeis. Your only real safe bet is Chinese phones and maybe blu phones.
[Android General] lantern20:
Thanks, I figured that.
[Android General] ErieTrack:
My Xiaomi MI3 was flagged within 2 hours of putting the sim card in.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
dang did you do anything particular that might have set it off?

I've been running my xiaomi mi2 fine all this month I've used about 20gb.I haven't been streaming music either. mostly bittorreting.

Also I'm on the $35 go phone plan, not postpaid att.

Maybe I'll think about getting a Chinese one plus one they aren't much more.

Also I'm using a h20 prepaid sim, they activate just fine under att I wonder if that has some effect.
[Android General] ErieTrack:
I'm on the $10 postpay medianet plan. I got hit when I was streaming slacker radio. I got my Xiaomi MI3

from xiaomiworld.com for $359. They gave me a code to save more money off of that. I love the phone!

How's the MI2? If it works good on medianet maybe I'll give it a try.

BTW I've used slacker radio for years with no problems and use tons of data while tethering.

It would be great to know exactly what they look for during the sweeps. Maybe certain apps?
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
have you tried reactivating your mi3 on medianet and see how it goes? and maybe not stream slacker radio.

Nice I really want even if medianet stops working it looks like I really nice phone. I really like my mi2 its definitely been one of my favorite phones I've owned so far.
[Android General] Nintoad:
Very sad to hear that...

Mine is still undetected for now. I have been keeping data turned off when it's not in use, so maybe it helps.
[Android General] ErieTrack:
Bad news from ATT. They raised the price of the unlimited medianet plan to $30!!!

I tried to get it back but they told me my nokia 6550 fold is a smartphone!?

They then told me that ANY phone that can use data is now a smartphone.

I asked if this was they're way of getting rid of the grandfathered plans and they said yes.

It was a good run, but it looks like it's over... :crying:

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[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Well are people that are already on it grandfathered in? They discontinued the go phone unlimited plans a few months back but I'm grandfathered in. That's the way its been with att plans so far.

Also even if it is $30 for unlimited data it's still a decent deal. Isn't like just 3gb $30 on att?

Also its funny they say that any phone me that uses data is a smartphone now but it clearly says for non smart phones lol.

Looking at it closer it says unlimited messaging and data for $30, looks like they bundled unlimited messaging which has always cost $20 with the $10 internet unlimited internet plan.
[Android General] Zaiaku:
Thought I would post an update on my account. I still have my Galaxy Note II International n7100 with MediaNet ($15 unlimited data). Under my phone it shows I have a Note II but with no image above it. Also still has me on medianet. It has been this way for about 6mos. No ontification or anything about having to change plans.
[Android General] ErieTrack:
On my other line a have a Samsung A737. They said they consider it a smartphone because it has the ability

to connect to and use the internet. Which is just ridiculous cuz its one of the most basic phones of 2005! Anyway,

they said I would have to get new dumbphones one that and another line to avoid having to pay a $30 charge for

data each month on each line. I asked for a data block on all three lines and was told that since they were smartphones

I could not have it. I understand my xiaomi mi3 but one the nokia 6550 fold and Samsung a737? My buddy has the

grandfathered $30 unlimited smartphone plan, they've been bugging him all month trying to get him to upgrade. Maybe

it's just something going on in my area. Regardless, I'm not happy about losing my $10 unlimited.
[Android General] Stalix:
Motorola Razr M - XT907 has been detected. please update the OP.