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[Android General] gtmaster303:
I think the main reason why excessive data usage won't raise any flags is because there are non-smartphones out there that have access to youtube (i.e. LG Xenon). And if you were to give that phone to a 12 year old that had nothing better to do but watch youtube all day, everyday, you could rack up a hefty amount of usage

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] bozzo12:
Galaxy S4 octa-core Flagged

Well, after 6 months of free-ride with my Galaxy S4 octa-core (unlocked international version), I got an email that they have finally realized I was using a smartphone ('cause my Galaxy S2 used for 2 years and my N95 2 years before that were not...). No more MediaNet for non smartphone anymore...

Ahhhh, so what are my options? find a dumb phone, swap my SIM and call and haggle every month? Bite the bullet and cough up the $$??

help!
[Android General] phantomsniper773:
I'm still using a VZW Droid Razr M on MediaNet. I guess you could give that a shot, although there's a somewhat tedious (albeit one-time only) process to get it to connect with AT&T towers.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
If att sends you that text message saying they will put you on a smartphone data plan, what are the chances they actually will? My phone still shows up as unknown online but got the message anyway....

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] phantomsniper773:
Usually, for me anyways, the text message is usually something along the lines of "We've noticed you're using a smartphone, so we went ahead and added a 3GB/mo data plan without telling you in advance", and sure enough, if I dial *DATA#, I see that my old data plan is deactivated and the new smartphone data plan is added.

If I were you, I'd double check by calling *DATA# and seeing what it says. It's possible that even though the website shows it as unknown, they automatically added the data plan to your line.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
AT&T Free Msg: Your smartphone requires a data plan. A $30/month DataPro 3GB data plan will be added automatically if you continue to use a smartphone on this line.

That's what they sent. I'm guessing they will change switch me from medianet to the proper plan once they see my IMEI doesn't change. However I'm still wondering if they know what I'm using or just guessing, because online they still can't see what it is...

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
how has it been using a razr m with the medianet plan?
[Android General] phantomsniper773:
Well, it's a pretty good phone with a lot of features. First though, I'll mention the problems:

1) Every now and then, the data connection will drop for a few seconds (even though the H+ icon is still there, and it's still blue). To fix this, I had to edit the build.prop to disable fast dormancy, but this only seems to work on the stock Motorola based ROMs.

2) For some reason, people complain that my voice breaks up to them. I can't find any info on this being a widespread problem, and it still happens when I use a VZW or T-Mobile SIM, so I think my individual phone might be slightly defective.

3) CM11 is mostly bug-free, but there's this weird UI lag that's been going on for months, ever since the CM10.2 builds. Hopefully the official KitKat release will help the CM team fix that, but at the moment, it's pretty irritating.

Other than that, it's a nice phone. The sound quality is really good, and both the speakerphone and the headphones can get really loud without much distortion. The multi-color LED is also a nice touch. Beyond that, it's what you'd expect given the specs. There isn't a whole lot of lag, and the battery life is good enough to get me though about a day and a half with medium-light use.

I'm currently trying to sell it, only because the "voice breaking up" thing is pretty annoying. Otherwise I'd probably keep the phone until either they flag it, or my contract ends.
[Android General] stunner2:
anybody using Xiaomi Mi3 or Lenovo K910 on medianet?
[Android General] redsrule2500:
Duh. Thank you. I was being stupid and not thinking about it being a network feature. Embarrassing.
[Android General] bedwa:
No problem. Just trying to be helpful as always. ;)
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
They both should work fine. I've been using my xiaomi mi2 no problem since last September. I'm hoping to get a mi3 soon.
[Android General] livingitup:
Any Nokia Lumia users here who have done the recent GDR3/Black update? I just did the update about a week ago and now in OLAM it identifies my device as a Lumia 925. Prior to that, the "your device" was grayed out. I haven't recevied the "did you know a smartphone data plan is required for this device......." and my data plan still shows up as mediamax 200.

Any thoughts?
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
the lenovo k900 looks decent,the camera seems to be superb. not a bad phone for under $350.

im just afraid of ordering one and having it flagged and not being to sell it (everyone wants an iphone or a samsung).

i thought i was gonna go for the blu studio 5.3 s but it seems blu has a lot of complaints about build quality? anyone have that phone to comment?

still using the trusted droid 3,installed mavrom but for some reason dl speeds on that room never go past 1mb,when i switch to stock they hit about 4mb.
[Android General] bedwa:
Blu studio 5.0 s is what my wife has. Alittle cheap on the build quality, but she loves it.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
seems to be the same as the 5.3 s except a smaller screen. hows the camera? im not expecting top notch but is it decent for random pics ?

im kinda hesitant to throw $170 on a blu phone that i might hate.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
It won't be flagged anytime soon. Lenovo don't even sell phones in the us. Att should have a way to get the imei. I'd stay away from apple or Samsung.

On another note on Howard forums people said they have there Verizon 5s working on medianet. It will eventually get flagged though.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Ok guys so I just got flagged. Twice within the span of a week. Myatt online my phone is not pictured. What's going on?

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] jtevis:
Just flagged, Samsung S4 mini i9195 by AT&T. I'm going to call and get it taken off, but we will see.

Just called and the phone is still on the MediaNet plan, so I will moniter it and take action when it changes. The person I talked to wanted to verify the IMEI number, said based on what showed up, it was a smart phone, but couldn't see any info about the phone..... Any way to keep this phone from triggering the change?
[Android General] ClearD:
Just so you guys are aware, I called customer support for mms assistance a while back (was being charged mobile data for mms), and they could actually see which version of Android I was running. I was on cyanogenmod and they could see that it was 4.2.2 and suggested that I update to the official 4.3 that was out for my sgs3. So... Maybe they have new means to tell, now.

Sent using XDA-funded carrier pigeons
[Android General] kaijura:
I believe OLAM =/= the flagging database, it's separate. Someone or some other department is probably responsible for updating the OLAM side.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
youre using an att phone? thats the issue lol. if it were that easy i think we would all use att phones. they even flagged me when i was using a verizon droid dna.

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[Android General] kaijura:
Yeah, on some mm apks you can set a custom user agent just like the browsers. The sms/mms details have your Android version in it.

I am not sure if it applies to hangouts, but I'm just glad they haven't done automatic flagging thru user agents or we'd have a lot more hassle to spoof our phones.
[Android General] jtevis:
No, flagged by AT&T, it's an international phone. I don't believe that AT&T even sell a branded S4 mini.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
ok i see. i went for about 2 days before they flagged my droid dna. i wonder about the droid razr hd /maxx hd. i havent seen anyone in this thread say they flagged it yet.

sometimes i wanna say f it and use my upgrade on att for a note 3 but my current bill is only $20 since im on the $10 add a line plus the $10 for the data plan and i throw in extra to help with the overall family plan bill.

i dont have any other form of internet at home either ,if i did id pay about $30 so im saving $50 so $600 a year = price of a nice phone that i can resell later on and get at least $100 back.

too much of a good thing to give up :highfive:
[Android General] gtmaster303:
I would believe you, BUT...

When I switch to an ATT basic phone, it shows up within minutes. OLAM is actually quite quick at refreshing when it comes to detecting phones.

Which leaves me with only one explanation. Somehow ATT knows I'm using a smartphone. They may even know what it is. But they simply don't have a picture for it in OLAM. So just because your phone shows unknown, even after getting flagged, doesn't mean you're safe. Quite the contrary actually...

What I'm wondering now is, should I call ATT, argue with them and do everything I can to save my phone or just switch to a new phone? I'm wondering if calling and bringing the data issue to their attention will bring my line under scrutiny for all future medianet phones

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I usually just switch to a new device..... Not worth the hassle to me.....
[Android General] kaijura:
Let me clarify what I meant. For example, I have used a Galaxy Nexus for some time.

When it just came out, it was a generic icon in OLAM and it was not flagged. It looked like this:

Unknown Unknown

When they started flagging the Galaxy Nexus, it looked like this, and still looks like this in OLAM:

Samsung I9250M

SC-04D

The pictures still stayed the same (I assume someone on the website side is responsible for this). But the model names showed up with the photos. The naming is usually directly connected with the sweeps - your model should probably not be "unknown unknown". I'm still fairly positive most of us running medianet are unknowns.

It's more than likely they just went back and reviewed IMEI's, found your device from the international GSM database (all carriers have access to it) and added it in.
[Android General] inurb:
Galaxy mega 6.3 gt i9200 has been on medianet since September 2013.
[Android General] livingitup:
ATT may have changed the way they detect phones because for the first time in like 5 years my phone now shows up in my account. However, I haven't gotten any text messages and it still lists my mediamax200 data plan.
[Android General] Endlessknight:
Which phone is it?
[Android General] livingitup:
Nokia lumia 925, international version.
[Android General] jtevis:
flagged, but still on medianet

I was flagged 3 days ago with the international samsung s4 mini, but so far, still on medianet. I called when it was flagged and they do have the IMEI number and wanted to verify it, but I wasn't with the phone. I checked online and it doesn't list the phone, just unknown device. I guess I will just wait and see.
[Android General] xdaHeat:
Need Guidance/advice

Hello, I've been lurking here on and off for a few months.

I'm a total noob when it comes to this medianet thing and want to make sure I go about this right.

Here's my Scenario:

I just bought a new unlocked Moto G.

I want to add a Line to a very old Family Talk plan (2 lines currently)

It has 1 line with legit dumbphone and 1 has had lower end Samsung smartphone models since forever and never gets detected ( 3 with the Moto G added hopefully xD)

I don't have a sim card (Micro Sim needed actually)

The current family plan says an additional line is only 10$ but how do I go about getting just a micro SIM?

When going to the "adding services" section, I see the unlimited medianet plan for $15 . You guy think this is possible?? $25 a month for talking minutes and unlimited data!! it sounds amazing.
[Android General] bedwa:
Quickest and easiest....

Add the line online with needed Sim type, specify the dumbphone's IMEI and go for it.

Secondary,

Add the line at a store with a dumb phone. Cut the Sim to size, or advise the rep that your family member has been having issues with their phone, you've swapped the Sim cards and the device doesn't have the issue, it appears to be the Sim card and ask for a new one. Ask if you can call in the SIM swap as you don't have the phone on you.
[Android General] lovem:
Just got this message after having my hot spot on all day & night. Can't believe it! This is a rare phone!

AT&T Free Msg: Your smartphone requires a data plan. A $30/month DataPro 3GB data plan will be added automatically if you continue to use a smartphone on this line.

Sent xda app-developers app
[Android General] bedwa:
Interesting. I know when I left at AT&T there was a spot in the "Switch Application" (Where you could look at the back end of the system, looking at the system switches like in a regular phone system) where you were to go to look and see if an iPhone user had the most recent "software" update. I noticed one day that the device mentioned was HTCDRE when a friend was adding a phone that her friend gave her. I inquired if it was an HTC G1, she replied yes. This was BEFORE May of 2012. If AT&T has started to implement this area into it's detection system, we may be in BIG trouble here.
[Android General] kaijura:
What is it?

If you don't want to share publicly you can message me.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I personally wonder if tethering somehow raises a flag in the system. In the past I have used the hotspot feature and gotten the text right after. When i called in, they asked me if I was tethering. It was like they already knew.

Not really sure, but I don't use the hotspot very much anymore.
[Android General] kaijura:
I have been using tethering full time for at least 4+ months and have not been hit with anything yet (knocking on wood). This is my current data use, most of it is definitely tethering including from syncing android sources for builds.
[Android General] bedwa:
Guys, please remmeber this....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2121897

I've never had issues as I always remove all internet connections except my Wap.cingular (without the username and password) and don't use MMS. I use Google Voice for all my SMS (with UNL data is free, FYI.)

I also always check the settings provider with sqlite (under settings application in sqlite editor) to see if it requires any pinging of the tethering database. I always set that value to 0 if needed.

This CAN and most likely WILL vary from device to device for the issue and solution. The easiest I've found is to FIRST delete all other APNs. If they only see you going through the wap.cingular gateway and not the "broadband" or "isp.cingular" gateways, they will have a harder time knowing.

Oh, and this is my line over the last year.....

And my Wife's

We've been going strong for more than a year and a half and you can clearly see that we use this as our primary internet source. My wife even used an unrootable Japanese Sharp Aquos SH-02D for a large part of that.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Great. Will certainly try tethering again.... thanks guys for the info......
[Android General] bedwa:
My pleasure as always.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
I can say I use mms all the time with no problems, I use the wap.cingular apn and mms apn settings combined......
[Android General] bedwa:
not saying that you can't, but I take any and ALL precautions that I can and they have paid off so far.....
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Probably smart..... we'll see how it goes.
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
Don't get a moto g, it will eventually get flagged. Get a xiaomi or oppo phone. They have cyangenod for it if you don't like miui or oppo color ROM. I've had my xiaomi mi2 since September and have been really happy with it and this plan.

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Not that I use MMS I use Google voice but I do on a rare occasion get one from the other number. I've never had a issue. I'm on a xiaomi mi2. Never had a issue with tethering either. I dont do it often. Sometimes if I'm bittorenting off of my phone it will slow down but a reboot solves it.

Would I be better off removing the MMS settings though?

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This came from Howard forums. May interest some of you.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
To all you tethering veterans, what's the best tethering app you've come across in your experience?

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] lovem:
Anyone using the Sony Xperia Z Ultra without a problem.
[Android General] sucsss:
I use the built in android tethering feature.

cable modem died so I've been heavily using it the past week.

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where did you get the graphs?

my OAM just shows a maxed bar and "Unlimited"
[Android General] lovem:
Looks like they got me today; got this while (although makes no difference) using hotspot:

AT&T Free Msg: Smartphone users are required to have a data plan. Our most popular data plan - DataPro 3GB - has been added for $30/month. Learn more at att.com/dataplans

Recall first message was a warning; at least they give warnings first now. Have only used ~5Gbs w/ half cycle left. Bummer!!:mad:
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
Using your HUAWEI MT1-U06??

would u say its because u tethered? i dont see how they would have the IMEI for that phone as it isnt sold in the U.S.A.
[Android General] kaijura:
If it is not sold in USA, they can still get the IMEI. It looks like Staples was selling the MT1-U06 off contract too: http://www.staples.com/HUAWEI-Ascen...d-GSM-Android-Cell-Phone-Black/product_270970

There is a GSM Association, and AT&T is a member and subscriber of it. In fact, one of their guys is on the board of directors.

This is probably all the proof you need:
[Android General] stringplay:
Galaxy S I9000M

Is the galaxy S I9000M still undetected in IMEI sweeps from AT&T? The one I'm looking at ends in a few hours on ebay, it was originally connected to Bell network in canada but unlocked so I plan to use it in AT&T in the US. I don't use data, I don't have a medianet plan. My DesireZ has done well to avoid their IMEI sweeps but it's stuck on the 2G network and is terribly slow & unreliable. I plan to use the galaxy S for the same uses. No data or medianet service, just normal WIFI and 3G call services.
[Android General] lovem:
No really has nothing to do with tethering. They just got the imei & added it to their database most likely since huawei is trying to reach an agreement to have Big Orange carry the ascend mate 2. What kaijurra posted above is the other way that they could get it. This is so freaking frustrating :mad::mad:
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
you can request a data block added to your phone line. put your sim in a dumbphone and call up at&t and tell them you have a flip phone and you want data blocked on it.

afterwards,wait about an hour and put the sim in the smartphone you want to use but make sure mobile data on it is turned off. you can still make calls and text and use wifi but you wont have ability to send or get MMS/picture messages since that uses mobile data.

I was doing that with my droid dna but i need data now so im using a droid 3 till i decide which phone to get.

Also it can be pretty much any phone except iphones although some people seem to be using them,even att phones will work.

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that sucks. i wonder if lenovo phones will also be flagged since them are buying motorola from google...
[Android General] stringplay:
Thx, tried to ask for a data block but they denied me since they said there was no data plan to start with?!?! If anything it just made them more suspicious. Either way I know to force the phone to use wifi only. I'm fine with not receiving any data related msgs anyway. I'm just wondering if anyone out there is still using the samsung galaxy S I9000m specifically on at&t service to see if they haven't been forced on data plan yet.
[Android General] lovem:
Stringplay, you might have to talk to retention to add the data block, because from m6 experience today, the new batch of csr are a lil' lacking. Just tell them that you don't accidentally want to get charged for data when the internet button is pushed.
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
sounds like you got a dumb service rep. tell them with dumbphones,the phone can access the net and cost $$$ per MB and sometimes your kids mess with the phone. they have to turn it off if you ask for it.

other people who posted in this thread have done it as well. a lot of the att service reps are stupid,hate to use that word but they are.i had one tell me the medianet plan was discontinued. i had to add it thru the myatt app.
[Android General] lovem:
PassingThruLife. I was thinking the same thing about lenova phones since that acquisition. I hope not that They get the imei sequences.
[Android General] gtmaster303:
Yup. I had one that took almost an hour to add medianet, and guess what? He put a data block on instead. Idiot...

He also couldn't detect my basic AT&T branded flip phone even though I could see it in OLAM plain as day.

Sent from my Galaxy S Relay
[Android General] sucsss:
yea. settings -> more -> Tethering & Portable Hotspot
[Android General] redsrule2500:
Man I finally decided on a Xiaomi mi2s and they are all super expensive! Going for near $400, USED!
[Android General] darnbirch:
Droid Pro, Pro+

Does anyone know if the Droid Pro or the PRO+ (the XT610 or the MB632) will work with the MediaNet plan?
[Android General] PassingThruLife:
how about a lenovo k900? they are about $320-330 shipped from a chinese seller.

the specs are pretty nice and the screen is great. camera is also good.

planning on getting one soon as i sell the phones i have laying around as i hate to have stuff i dont use. my only fear is since lenovo is buying motorola,they may start to share their IMEIs with at&t .
[Android General] Mephisto Zap:
I got my mi2 for 200 used, mi2s can be bought new for 350 and a little lower on online shops and ebay.

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Xiaomi and oppo will last way longer than lenovo. Cause lenovo is Motorola's they'll share a database at some point.
[Android General] stringplay:
XIAOMI genuine checks

Be careful, I found a xiaomi MI1S for $100 but I suspect it's a fake since they wouldn't provide more photos or an IMEI. When buying the XIAOMI MI line of phones check to make sure it's genuine, there are alot of fakes in the market for the XIAOMI MI specifically.

You can usually tell when the camera is terrible, there is no asterisk next to the XIAOMI logo on the front, some of the buttons are constructed poorly underneath the phone's shell, or the IMEI # is 867746016577413.

http://www.gizchina.com/2013/01/08/how-to-tell-if-your-xiaomi-m2-is-fake/ is for the XIAOMI M2 but the 1S genuine check is also on the same website.
[Android General] redsrule2500:
Screen is way too big for my liking...looking in the 4.5-4.7" range
[Android General] redsrule2500:
Think I may be going for this phone, instead: http://www.slashgear.com/blu-life-p...ocks-4-5-inch-hd-screen-with-326ppi-05315750/

Only negative: No SD Card Slot :(
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Looks pretty good. Can't beat the price. I agree though, no SD Card, and only 16 gig. I use a 32 gig card, and its almost full. Might be worth a try though.

let us know if you like it.......
[Android General] bedwa:
I got my wife the Studio S 5.0 for Christmas. She loves it. No kernel source for tinkering, but beggars can't be choosers.
[Android General] chrism.brunner:
Hey everybody, check this out

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FLASH-YOUR-...865?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41760b0ca9

Saw this on HowardForums...... just shipped 2 phones to them. We'll see...