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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
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Cant wait til the trolls are gone
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rsjyns:
'VALUE THE FUTURE OF ANDROID' is like saying returning your Prime will save the world lol. I'm with this guy, if you don't like it call the BBB, Asus, and your retailer and make them take it back but you're *****ing at the wrong people. Even though I've had to RMA mine for screen bleed, I'm still highly impressed with Prime
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
I think the timing of the TF700 announcement was bad, but I certainly don't think it's a "bait-and-switch."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denelor:
Android (past, present, and future) has always been about user choice, unlike Apple, which is about lack of choice providing a more consistent user experience.

So it that regard I'll exercise my right to choose and keep my Prime, because I liked it before ICS and since ICS it's better.

Asus's responses have been better than nearly any other tech company when faced with a similar issue. Companies are always going to screw up at some point. How they respond when they do is more important than the fact that they screwed up. So far, I'm perfectly happy with my purchase. It was worth $500.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GCurry:
Know What You're Buying

I returned mine after a couple days, seeing poor GPS, weak wifi and generally becoming uncomfortable after realizing that Asus either didn't test, or didn't care (enough).

Their reputation was good with me, after feedback from the TF1. But they damaged it with me. Although it's unlikely, I still might get a TFP after it's running ICS for a while, provided customer experience is positive and uniform. That's the only way, apparently, to know what you're buying. But pre-ordering, on spec, from Asus isn't something I'll do again soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
The timing of the TF700 was dictated by this little thing called "CES." Not showing it at CES would have been a HUGE mistake, far more important than the impact of pissing off a relative handful of disappointed Prime purchasers.

I agree that ASUS should do something about the GPS issue. Their retailers still have GPS in their specs, in spite of ASUS removing it from theirs, and it's still listed on the packaging. So, in my book, ASUS is still marketing GPS as a feature--and any reasonable person expects "GPS" to mean that it works anywhere, not just when within wifi range.

I think that ASUS should absolutely offer refunds to those people who bought while GPS is/was still being marketed. They already told the Taiwanese market that they'd take returns, and I'm guessing they'll do the same everywhere. At the moment, I'm guessing they're still working out the best response.

Should they stop production, change the device, and come out with a revised version? And then swap that version for existing Prime stock? I'm not sure. Certainly, the wifi-only iPad sells just fine with no GPS chip at all, so the market has already stated that it doesn't really care about GPS.

On the other hand, given stocking level issues I doubt that they've sold more than 20K Primes so far. So, the financial impact wouldn't necessarily be more than a potential class action suit based on breach of an implied warranty (fitness of purpose and all that).

However, that's a decision that none of us could contribute to because we're completely ignorant of the specifics. For example, many people seem to assume that fixing the problem would be easy, and I'm not sure that it would be. There are structural issues involved, and of course the entire thing would have to go back through the FCC for certification. So we're probably talking months before a revised version would be available.

That said, it's probably best to simply stop marketing the Prime as a GPS device, and then offer refunds to people who bought the Prime while GPS is/was still being actively marketed. Nobody on this forum has any excuse for buying a Prime at this point and then complaining about GPS, but there are plenty of people who don't follow forums or the ASUS Facebook page and so are truly unaware of the issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wokka00:
Any gripes about the hardware and any issues with ICS are just the fact of sitting on the bleeding edge. Asus could have a better response about it, but we're in no better position than early adopters who had to live with the iPhone4's death grip, combustible Chevy Volts, RROD-ed XBox 360 owners, or anyone who invested in Betamax/8track/HDDVD/Laserdisc. Later varieties will fix the issues we're dealing with now, but as it currently stands, we're just having early adopter regrets. It's not an Android-wide debacle.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vaanhoot:
One of the best sold android phones, Samsung Galaxy S series was plagued by similar problems. I have a SGS Captivate and on a clear sunny day I can occasionally locate 3 satellites and I never get a lock. The prime locks on with 12 satellites in 30 seconds in my house. GPS on the prime is many times better than my phones gps. Even with the hardware defects of SGS series of phones, it is still one of the most enjoyed phones. Sure the prime will be similar.

Sent from my I896 running ICS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
Your reasoning makes no damn sense. When you buy something, you want it working all the time. How would you like it if your car works on some days and some days it don't? If it does not work while I'm driving, if it only works when I have to stand in a cornfield...then it's not working right.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
There are three things going on...

1) I get where OPs coming from. By accepting mediocre products we allow manufacturers to continue building them. Excellence takes time and money. If there's no penalty for deploying products that aren't thought through, aren't built well, and don't perform competitively, then the bar will continue to be set low. There are two forms of penalty. Boycotting mediocrity as OP suggests is one. The second is the penalty Asus will pay later in the year when there's actually some competition to the Prime. Assuming others set the bar higher, that's where people will spend their money and Asus' sales will suffer.

2) There's nothing wrong with Asus showcasing their future products at CES. No one who buys any manufacturer’s product should expect an obsolescence guarantee. I was thinking Asus was nuts for ignoring the HD trend that clearly is going to be a big deal marketing wise in 2012 by offering the Prime with a 1280x800 display. The fact that the TF700 has an HD display and is positioned above the Prime shows Asus isn't ignorant of what's going on in the market.

3) How can any manufacturer make a poor design decision, de-content a product two weeks in to launch, and then announce a newer product that addresses the self-created issues less than a month later and not expect back lash? Don't be mad at the TF700 for addressing shortcomings in the Prime, be made that the Prime has shortcomings. For anyone purchasing a Prime today, its specs are correct; it doesn't offer true GPS and Asus even removed the GPS toggle from the control panel. It has weaker Wi-Fi than the TF1 and challenges with Wi-Fi/BT at the same time but, at $499 for a 32GB, is an excellent value. With value come some other cuts too like the funky uni-stereo speaker and 2.4GHz only Wi-Fi. But, with those issues known, people buying today can make an informed decision.

For those that bought before some of these issues were discovered, you have a legitimate beef. Aside from GPS though, it's just a matter of Asus offering a product that underachieves in certain areas. Yes, the BT/WI-Fi compatibility issue is odd, but it affects a subset of purchasers who use the Prime a certain way. Like any product, if its shortcomings are a deal breaker for you, choose another product. Whether the shortcomings should exist or we think the decisions Asus made were sound is irrelevant. As it stands, the Prime is-what-it-is. Whether that's good enough for Asus to make its projected sales targets will be determined by the marketplace, not us.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] monkey10120:
How do you know the 700 wont have any of these issues? There was backlight bleeding in the past with tf101, its still there. There was also gps problems, its still there. Every each tablet asus had made so far is the first of its design. Once we get to a time where tablets stay the same thickness and size, then we will see an improvement in the hardware. Tablets are in beta so to speak in my opinion. Companies are trying to get the right design and functionality before fine tuning it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I mostly agree with you, but the BT/Wifi issue remains unresolved. There's good enough reason to think that ASUS will fix this one, and so holding onto a Prime with that expectation is reasonable. If they CAN'T fix it, then I'll be expecting some sort of compensation, up to and including the ability to return it directly to them.

Seriously, it's not just a simple matter of "if you don't like it, return it." Once ASUS has told us that's the way it's going to be, then sure, that applies. But it's silly to assert that we should return it if there's ANYTHING that's not performing perfectly, because we really should expect ASUS to fix things that are fixable, and in a timely fashion.

ASUS is making certain claims (explicit and implied) when they market a product. Expecting that the device should be able to play Internet-streaming music on Bluetooth headphones is a pretty reasonable expectation, I'd say. They shouldn't be able to brush off each and every claim merely by saying "Well, if you don't like it, don't buy it." Do keep in mind that not only did I buy the Prime, I expressly did NOT buy something else, and I acted based on ASUS's claims that the Prime would be able to do certain things. My time and convenience have some value to me, and ASUS (or any other company) shouldn't be able to waste either willy-nilly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
This points to either acquiring cheaper components to keep the price down, poor QC, or a combination of both.

There was nothing special about the TF1 other than its keyboard and that it offered more features for less money than other tablets. It didn't pioneer anything. The Prime's only ground breaking feature is Teg3 and, so far, that doesn't appear to be the cause of the issues it's facing. To see how to make a tablet thin all Asus needed to do was buy a G-Tab and take it apart.

And you're sort of playing in to OPs original beef. If you're going to be a pioneer, make sure whatever goes out the door is finished and that the first 20% of purchasers aren't involuntarily part of the testing process.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Pacothebandit:
Really??? He is not the problem...

Really? ......REALLY???? Yeah i guess your logic would make sense if there was higher Asus Model available. Flawed logic bro. The next prime wont be abailable till Q2 so why would the Bait and Switch work. Im sorry, im just as pissed about the GPS not working. And thought about taking it back. The fact is, there is nothging like this on the market, i worked my ass off to buy this thing and I am overall VERY happy with it. So ill be keeping mine.

Yeah a few people might return it, but nothing that will make ASUS say "oh no, man we messed up, were so sorry boohooooooo." Corporations don't do that, they take it off the specs list and move on. All you would be doing by returning it is missing out on a FAST peice of machinery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Again, mostly agree, but ASUS is making a huge mistake if they don't offer up something for people who bought before ASUS stopped marketing the GPS (and it's unclear whether they're even at that point yet). This is a clear-cut case of breaching an implied warranty (fitness of purpose), and lawyers live for this kind of thing. There WILL BE a class-action suit brought against ASUS if they don't do something about this, and it'll cost them more than taking back a few thousand units.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
^^^^^

This.

All Prime's sold after Asus pulled the GPS spec off their sites were accurately described. Anyone purchasing one and that is disappointed in the performance of any of its features should return it. It's not safe to assume that the Wi-Fi signal will be made stronger or that Wi-Fi and BT may ever work well together simultaneously. I'd say keeping the Prime beyond the return window waiting for Asus to fix those issues is risky.

Like wyand32 said, people who purchased before the GPS spec was pulled have a legitimate complaint. The path of least resistance for Asus would simply be to buy them back from people who can't return them. They aren't really obligated to do any more. It would be nice if they offered some type of incentive to those people that want to keep them but they don't have to. I don't think it's realistic to let thousands of people keep using their TF200s and then four months from now let them swap them for TF700s for $100. Again, it would be nice but it seems a bit of a reach.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HuskerWebhead:
I asked this before and never got a response....Has anyone actually contacted ASUS and asked them all of these questions? And not just the 1st Level Tech Support. Someone with some actual clout. I tried looking for an email address of someone that might actually be able to answer things, but I couldn't find one.

Sitting here just shaking your fist at the screen isn't going to fix a damn thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Pacothebandit:
I'm going to call, i haven't yet cause I know all there going to say is the device does not support GPS. Regardless of what I say or do, but I am going to try at least.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Excellent point...

I'd suggest writing a calm letter to David, their head of communication in Taiwan. Since Taiwan seems to be more concerned about their customers than the U.S., maybe you'll find a sympathetic ear. Regardless, your letter will be forwarded to someone in the higher reaches of the food chain for response. Again, don't rant, that rarely is well received in Asia.

ASUSTEK COMPUTER INC.

David Chang

CFO & Spokesman, ASUS

No.15, Li-Te Rd., Peitou

Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HuskerWebhead:
Now THIS is helpful information. Anyone who is truly upset and wants to do everything they can to get answers from ASUS....this is the way to go.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denverbuckeye:
I'm going to guess that 90% or more of tablet buyers could give a rat's arse about GPS. I don't have it in the three previous tablets I've purchased so it didn't matter to me then. My WiFi and Bluetooth perform at the same detectable level as my other tablets so not an issue for me.

What is an issue is Tegra 3 performance (awesome), camera quality (sweet), the dock (awesome), mSD card expansion (big plus), and ICS (super). But all those things together ... and I can't find another tablet that can touch my Prime.

To each his own I guess.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Freekers1337:
Sense, this OP makes none.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Pacothebandit:
OK. I called and obtained a rma number from ASUS. He claimed if I send it back and the GPS is in fact not working they will fix it. I said, I read the press release and its due to the unibody design. He said if that is the case they will fix it or at least he said i assume so. I recorded the conversation. If this works ill be very happy that they are making it right. We shall see....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HuskerWebhead:
Did you clarify what they consider "working" versus "not working?" They may be considering WiFi assisted GPS as "working GPS."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] max1001:
FYI, people generally don't like to be told what to do. You are not going to win anyone over by sounding preachy either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
To repeat what I wrote in the other thread, I'll eat my shorts on video if you get back a Prime with a case that's been altered for better GPS radio performance. If you do, not only will I be pissed at ASUS because I'll have to eat my shorts, but the FCC will be pissed because ASUS will be selling devices with uncertified RF performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HuskerWebhead:
Now, more than ever, I hope they modify the back to improve the GPS/WiFi signals. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jetbruceli:
Dude stop *****ing about ur tablets on here and return them so we can read good stuff about our devices. I am not having any issues with mine. Well I haven't tried the GPS cuz I don't need it on this.

Also I honestly believe this is the best thing to happen on android since the s2 was releasesr

Nvidia always!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I hate duplicate posting but since he did, I will. This is my response in the thread he started...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slugbug2010:
Do you not consider your phone's GPS as working when it is working?

I really really want to see where it was ever stated that these tablets were NOT going to be anything other than aGPS. They are NOT dedicated GPS devices. That ARE NOT GARMINS OR TOMTOMS. The phones have 3g and/or wifi to assist the GPS. I still find it absolutely ludicrous that people actual thought they were getting a two-for-one special in the Prime. A 32gb Tablet and a full-on GPS $499. Outstanding!

I'm going back thru specs right now and they all show aGPS. Or it's a review site and under specs it lists GPS and just says "yes". So I'm not so sure I'm buying all this crying about not getting what you paid for.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HuskerWebhead:
Whoa! Easy there, Sweetheart. I'm on your side. I'm not concerned about the GPS on my Prime...I'll never use it solely for the GPS. I love my Prime and don't plan on returning it. I was just trying to be helpful to the OP and clarify what was told to support.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spidey01:
Unexpectedly GPS is working fine on my BCOKAS03xxxx and the wifi more than strong enough!
[HTC Sensation] coolkid893:
I found a quick fix untill devs fix bug in ICS 4.0.3 roms about hotspot not working

1. download

Barnacle wifi tether

from market

2. Once installed go to setting in Barnacle an check/select Skip wpa_supplicant

3. click start button an wait a few second wifi hotspot should now work!

Hope i helped!:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] rickwang1978:
good job , i have already used the way to solved my wifi hotspot problem .

thank you.
[HTC Sensation] tangcla:
I tried but can't seem to get it to work - it doesn't see the wifi location. :(
[HTC Sensation] pham0100:
Barnacle only does ad-hoc tethering. If your device can't connect to ad-hoc connections, you won't see it.
[HTC Sensation] tangcla:
Ah, right. I was trying to connect from my HTC Flyer. I will have a look to see if it can be done at all.
[HTC Sensation] azwan92:
thank you OP, it works flawlessly. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] eL_777:
Hey guys I noticed earlier that my Netflix app was ALOT smoother than it used to be before the ICS update but several others disagreed with me so I was confused. Then I remembered that I enabled this setting in the developer options menu in the android settings, "Force GPU Rendering". Make sure you enable that, close Netflix and start it back up and it should be a million times smoother after you do that. Hope this helps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bathanr:
Definitely shows great improvement
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
Learned from GNex with ICS, this option may also FC some apps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
Do not force GPU rendering.

Leave it to app developers to turn it on and make sure nothing goes wrong. Forcing GPU for all apps will make some apps force close and some apps simply slower. If you use a lot of apps there's a chance that while some apps will be faster, others will become slower and more choppy. Read Galaxy Nexus forum for a lot of information on this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] trancemode:
i tired it and it didn't seem to do any difference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] a Mandroid:
Force GPU Rendering in Transformer Prime

Beware of Force GPU Rendering - DO NOT Enable it

Although some apps appear to run smoother with this option enabled, there are apps that become laggy or even crash with this option. Sometimes the touch response can also degrade. You may also see broken lines and artifacts. The option has no effect on vast majority of games that use GPU anyway. Thus, its not really worth the trouble - it is meant for developers to test/verify their older apps.

Please leave it up to app developers to turn it on for their apps - otherwise you may experience a buggy Transformer Prime with random lockups and crashes

If you do decide to use it - Please make sure you do a COLD BOOT (shut it down, and then press volume down and power button together to boot up). You may also want to clear the cache data for certain apps. This will help some apps to work better with the GPU option - and avoid some undesirable force close.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] timgt:
Thanks but I will leave mine enabled. The smoothness outweighs the 1 or 2 apps that dislike it (I really can't find any)

Have had it enabled since the minute I got the OTA.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] a Mandroid:
Strange behavior with Force Close

thanks, I would be thankful if someone can experiment and share their findings regarding the following observation I had with my prime.

Please try Google Earth with and without Force GPU (dont forget to cold boot after changing the option) and see if you notice any subtle difference. Although at first it appears smoother with force GPU enabled, I sometimes find there are hidden lines displayed on edges of the globe. Also in a slower wifi connection, sometimes the touch response becomes less responsive, as the app waits to render/download the image data. It seems force gpu time to time affects the way the process priority is handled (touch response vs rendering of the globe). Clearing the force gpu restores the correct behaviour in slower connections.

May be this behavior is just random and isolated to my prime, but would be great if someone can try it and confirm.

It would be nice if there was a list of apps that become buggy with this option enabled in the Transformer Prime. There is a list for galaxy nexus that might be indicative of what might not work: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1372007

Also please note that for all apps that are released for Android 4.0 ICS will have GPU rendering turned ON by default with or without the "Force GPU rendering" option enabled. So, this option is for OLDER apps only, this option has no effect on newer apps and games.

As application developers start updating their older apps for ICS, they will turn it on for their apps to take advantage of GPU rendering. So, keeping your apps up-to-date from Android Market is the RECOMMENDED approach for getting the best reliability and performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] droiter:
chrome browser

chrome beta was design for ics so it must be using gpu for default but when i tried open the chrome settings it looks laggy and when i tried using force gpu the setting looks smooth!

Tried this on my gtab 10.1 running cm9
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TransformerPrime:
Enabling it makes Flipboard a lot smoother.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bulgarien:
"Beware of Force GPU Rendering - DO NOT Enable it* "Although some apps appear to run smoother with this option enabled, there are apps that become laggy or even crash with this option. Sometimes the touch response can also degrade. You may also see broken lines and artifacts"

One answer; It can not be more worse...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] effezie:
Developers have all the fun :D