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[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
No, you don't know what *you* are talking about. A sample size of one does not negate the experiences of the many. Threads complaining of WiFi or Bluetooth problems with the Prime are common. Here's a thread confirming the problems are real:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1443868

As for GPS, just because you don't personally think you use it, again your sample size of one means nothing in the bigger scheme of things. Many programs that don't seem obviously GPS-related rely on that functionality. Want to look at star charts? Augmented reality app or game? Weather report? Maybe check sunrise or sunset times? All sorts of apps are relying on your tablet's ability to report its location, so you don't need to manually enter your location.

In fact, even Asus's own desktop widgets rely on the tablet's GPS functionality. (And that brings up an interesting question -- have they disabled the location widget, or are they still including that on tablets that they're pretending don't have GPS to cover up their mistake?)

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No, the problem is design. Asus themselves have acknowledged that. If they'd not gone the Apple route of putting form before function, and had gone with a plastic back panel, then you'd have better WiFi / Bluetooth speeds and range, and working GPS. It is solely down to the physical hardware design that you don't.

I never said it can't play the files. It can't *transfer* them as well as other tablets -- big difference. WiFi and Bluetooth don't work as well in the Prime as in its predecessor, and if you can't transfer as quickly and from as far away from the access point, then as a consumption device it is broken.

...when you can get a connection.

I don't need to -- plenty of folks have reported these problems, so there's no need for me to throw money in the trash to buy a broken product.

95% of what I do with my TF101 revolves around WiFi and GPS. (I'll admit, I seldom use Bluetooth, but that's because Android doesn't so far support tethering to my phones via Bluetooth).

For my purposes, the Prime is a complete waste of money. It has worse performance in the most important areas for me: WiFi, GPS, and audio. I could buy one tomorrow if I actually wanted one, but I don't. Sad thing is, I did want it before the flaws (mono audio, faulty Wifi, faulty GPS, faulty Bluetooth) were revealed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
Exactly, and don't forget about the unknown serial number, and numerous issues after updating to ICS. I'll wait for a new build.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
Anyone who picked up the prime should have known there was a catch when it was released not even a year after the TF101 was released. I don't expect them to come up with a groundbreaking design in that timespan. Should have not released that aborted fetus of a tablet and should have spent the time and money doing further R&D and QC and then release a tablet a year or two afterwards, roughly around the time the Memo or even the TF700T is to be released.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
I found the idea that delaying an update means better quality pretty absurd.

We've seen plenty of devices had their updates delayed, but still full of bugs when released. Same thing happened in computer softwares too.

Well if thinking that way makes u happy.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SilentMobius:
As an aside, ICS on the Galaxy Nexus does provide Bluetooth PAN tethering (Though something is buggy right now) and on older devices I use the earlier (2.x) versions of http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ which worked well on my Nexus One and the interim ZTE Blade, (Both running CM)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Unfortunately, one of my phones is bluetooth DUN, and the other doesn't seem to allow tethering by Bluetooth at all, only WiFi.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Isn't the TF700T just the fixed version of the prime with an even sexier screen?

Sent from my tf running krakd warped an twisted 1544mhz Blades kernel
[Eee Pad Transformer General] C.Flat:
Yep
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
Looks like ICS will be out using a hack long before the official update the way things are going.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Well, you say "even sexier", I'd say "far too high-res" -- the TF101/TF201 screen is about the right resolution, higher is just going to cause eye strain, faster battery drain, and significantly worse performance. Worse still, very few apps are going to take advantage of that resolution, so what you'll actually get is either a bunch of extra whitespace around microscopic UI elements, or scaled UI elements with textures etc. designed for a far lower-res screen, thus completely negating the extra resolution's advantages.

The TF700T's screen is just a bad idea, all around.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] pashinator:
with that 1080p screen you might aswell just put google tv on it :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PatrickVogeli:
Have you ever seen an iphone screen? It doesn't cause eye strain, but the opposite. It's all a matter of adjusting the fonts dpi.. and android does that quite well I believe.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
And don't forget they are putting a bigger battery.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] nerdtaco:
OP needs to change the title. I keep seeing this thread and get excited, then remember ICS is really not coming out tomorrow and get disappointed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] guitargurus:
I second that... Change the title please.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kitchenfork:
Thirded about topic title. I also agree about the TF700T new screen being a bit pointless. Won't games look worse too as I am sure not many android games will be created with 1080p in mind. I guess we will see though.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I've seen plenty of extremely high-res screens. I've also seen the fact that many apps don't handle even the current TF101 / TF201 screen resolution properly, leaving you with a choice of either tiny user interface elements and a screen that's largely white space, or with the scaled mode enabled for the app, and an extremely blurry interface. (Contrary to your belief, Android does almost as bad a job of that as iOS does -- fonts are not very crisp and clean, let alone graphical UI elements which must be interpolated to the new resolution.)

Even this long after Android tablets have come into existence, the vast majority of Android apps are designed for a smartphone screen. That isn't going to magically change, it's going to take a long time if it happens at all, and in the meantime the high-dpi screen on the Prime replacement is going to be much, much worse-off. You'll have to scale even more apps to get them to be usable, and that'll result in you getting even more blurry, barely usable apps with the disadvantage of significantly lower frame rates and lower battery life (all other things being equal) due to the extra pixels and the work involved in rendering them.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mattcoz:
It isn't going to cause eyestrain at all, it'll run in HDPI mode and everything will be the same size only clearer. Most apps are already designed for HDPI because pretty much all current phones are HDPI, with the exception being the Galaxy Nexus which is XHDPI. Text will be much more readable, which is one of my major gripes with it now. As for performance, yeah it'll be affected but it'll still be much faster than the 101. The advantages far outweigh any disadvantages.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
I think that all newer apps will in fact be able to work with the 1080p screen of the tf700 because of google pushing the HOLO ui which is perfectly scaleable. So if apps are updated to use holo ui instead of the old gingerbread or doughnut ui they will be fine
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
Isn't the topic here is about ICS release for the TF101 ? Please stop posting nonsense posts, just make people think there's news about the release when there's actually none (nothing new at least) .

No one cares about the TF700 right now, if you do post it in the right thread.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ondoy1943:
Sometimes people just get carried away for the wrong reasons.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] daz_2000:
Asus rep just told me ics may not come to tf101 due to problems with it and that they may not spend further investment on it due to being an older model. It was supposed to be released at sametime as prime or days after. But they found problems with it they they still cannot rectify.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Mr Paul:
:eek:Not good!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Ravensysteam:
Official Sources claim Mid February as next date.

Source:

https://www.facebook.com/asus.n.america/posts/10150727449147178

Greetings
[Eee Pad Transformer General] C.Flat:
I'll take this with a planet sized grain of salt
[Eee Pad Transformer General] infazzdar:
They should put the project on GitHub and let the devs figure it out. We woud probably have ICS soon =P
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
Don't believe this at all but for anyone who does... Asus said since our device is so outdated and they feel bad for us they are sending TF700's to us for only $25! Man I love Asus!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
Ya right, they will never do that! I heard they sending us TF700's for free.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uploder:
i think its time the name of this thread was changed.....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AstroTrain:
How can the Tf101 be outdated since it has not been one full year since its release.? I got mine around launch -April. If they quickly dump support for their products with a new release then the prime should be axed as well since they are releasing TF700, oops it looks like they already did that with no GPS fix and reboot issues . . .

If they are not releasing ICS for the OG TF then bye bye for any future sales. There are plenty of tablets out there to choose from.

This whole thing with ICS has clearly shown what a small time player Asus still is.

So many absurd reports from them, before 2011, sometime Jan, mid Feb possibly no ICS, is ridiculous. I cannot see more established brands like Apple, Motorola or Logitech ever behaving in such a fashion. These companies will give either a yes or a no and then shut up about it if they don't have a clear date for the release. Motorola didn't spam their users with false dates for their ICS release, they just did it when they could.

Asus is just playing amatuer hour.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Sir Flashalot:
Nice troll... :rolleyes:

If there is one company screwing their customers, it's definitely Moto. Although Razr and Xoom were upgraded to ICS recently, Defy owners are still waiting for their update from Froyo to Gingerbread as of end of 2011, which was promised by Moto earlier that year. Only thanks to XDA devs my Defy is running an experimental version of ICS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] C.Flat:
Razr has not been updated yet
[Eee Pad Transformer General] a.mcdear:
Hey, did you guys hear that ICS is coming out tomorrow? It seems pretty official! :rolleyes:

This thread should just be closed already.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] karapoutsoglou:
i bought mine in early august and in greece they did not even had the dock.i had to order it after 20-25 days...

how can this model is....old?

are we serious? well i think i am treated like a redneck idiot
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AstroTrain:
I can't say much about Moto since I only have an old Razr but when I look and compare how Asus has treated the ICS update as well as the RMA support for this device vs a company like Logitech or Apple and the support infrastructure for their devices it is most glaring the gap.

Regarding Logitech they probably have the number 1 support in the industry, I had their mice MX revolution and remotes Harmony one replaced by one simple email. No thousand questions. In one case they did not even ask for the device back but sent me a replacement within 2 weeks, my remote the rechargeable batt died and I was past warranty still they sent a replacement batt out immediately. No charges. What kind of impression does that lead to the consumer, all my future computer peripherals I will look to Logitech.

With Apple they give you a refurbished model from their stores that has been QC like it was new. No hassle no fuss.

With Asus I read these horror stories of them: customer pays to ship it to them, they offer no replacement models but only repair, sometimes damaging the unit further when trying to repair getting back in worst shape then when it was sent out, multiple repair jobs etc.

All this gives me the impression Asus is a long way from the top echelons in the electronic industry. They are still in the small league of taking care of their customers. and hence low repeat customers nor brand loyalty if this continues.

They compounded their problems now by releasing in quick succession an evolution of the device without proper QC and possibly abandoning support for an earlier release that has not been out a 1 full year.

This makes me stumped :rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
You remind me of some hypocrites I know. I am intimately involved in the gay rights movement, which is ultra-liberal, or so I thought. About a couple weeks ago, we were shown a video of a 15 or so year old girl calling for all people to boycott girl scout cookies because one of the chapters have recently permitted a trans girl to join. The people in the meeting immediately called out for us to petition the government to shut up that girl.

I sat there in awe, IN AWE, as I watched these people going back on everything they claim to advocate.

FREE SPEECH means free speech for all, not just for the people and opinions you like. I would rather march with KKK members to save their right to free speech than be on the side of hypocrites.

We killed SOPA and PIPA not too long ago. Last week, actually. What ever happened to "don't break the internet"?

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Are you kidding? You've decided to completely ignore all the horror stories of ipad and iphone users.

Just the other day, I was sitting on the train on my way home when I got into a convo with a mom and daughter. The daughter wanted an iphone, but she said "I'm still waiting for them to solve the problems". Puzzled, I asked her what she meant. She said one of her friends have an iphone, and the antenna wouldn't pick up a signal half the time. The battery also only had half the life of her droid. I asked her if she liked her droid or not, and she said yes she absolutely loves it. I then asked why she wanted an iphone then if she loved her droid so much, and she said "I don't know, it just seems so cool".

You know how apple solved the antenna and battery drain problems? They gave their users sugar pill updates that did nothing and then deny the problem was ever there.

And yet, people still want apple products, even though they couldn't explain why. Practically every teenage girl I've talked to said they wanted an iphone even though their current droids are great already. Boggles my mind the level of confirmation bias that is flying around.

No one is denying that Asus has a lot of improvements to make. Just don't put their rivals like moto and apple on a pedestal. All companies have problems.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
^ what the hell?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] orateam:
i partly agree with this. I love how apple treats me. I walk in there with a $50 RCA ipad cable and tell them it doesn't work. They go get a new box and hand it to me. lifetime warranty.

But i can't deny that $$$ is a factor for me as well. i bought this tablet because i got it for $250 when the ipad 2 is $499. Am i expecting the same build and support? Nope. You have to know if you buy an $80 sompieza**** china tablet, you are not going to get support or build QC.

When you compare an ASUS, it's midlevel quality and support. same as it has been for thier motherboards for over a decade. when i built computers, it was SOYO, MSI and biostar first, followed by ASUS, gigabyte, and EVGA. Right down the middle.

same thing with computers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sandiegopaneraiguy:
Agreed... and no one killed SOPA and PIPA.

The government realized they didn't need either of these bills to do what they intended. Why waste time arguing about something, trying to get it passed when they already have the right to do what they please.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asder00:
By the way...

ASUS Italia confirmed ics on tf101 at the end of february (maybe european version?)

Another month wait :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
This.

Considering how "quick" the government listened to so called public opinion this time, I wouldn't be surprised that this is just something to make the general public think they made a difference.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] theonebakery:
Can we get the name chamgedon this post??? Every time I visit general area I have a mini heart atack from excitment
[Eee Pad Transformer General] morbidrealities:
What a bunch of whiney little brats. The Xoom got it first because its a google experience device. We have to wait a month longer or so....so what. This isnt small little updates that Asus was able to push out quickly and almost match the Xoom. God you guys are worse than my little ones. Those who think that Asus wont update the Transformer are raving lunatics. The TF was the number one selling Honeycomb tablet. Do you think they are going to risk losing future sales by dropping support for it already? Really? They arent Moto and they sure arent Sammy, They dont have a large enough customer base and or draw yet to do something so stupid. They know that a lot of the OGTF owners didnt run out and buy the Prime because what we have is good enough to justify not doing so. They also know that if they take care of us then the next TF will most likely be purchased by the OGTF owners that skipped the 2nd gen.

I have a Prime and luckily havent had any of the issues that are common to others. At least they acknowledge it though. Just because they havent released a fix doesnt mean they arent working on it. They are newcomers to the market. Theyre gonna screw up. Give them time tofix it.

Just stop crying already.

After reading my post i realize that i probably came off a little harsh. I apologize for that. My point still stands though
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uploder:
totally agree. BUT I learned sometime ago that on this site someone is always crying or being impatient when their device doesn't receive an update it the time THEY deem fit. whenever we do get ICS officially they will just find something else to ***** and moan about a day after. no use in fighting it, it never ends.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
The day after ICS is released there will be a dozen threads about all the bugs and people whining about it being released too early.:D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] atlharp:
Which is why I believe it hasn't been released yet. Overall, I am in no hurry to get ICS. From what I have been seeing from Prime owners with their lockups I sincerely hope they have the ability to downgrade. This stuff happens though. Updates take time, and I have would rather have it right than early.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
What part of "the current TF101/TF201 Transformer already has issues due to resolution" do you not understand?

Some apps (I would guess about 15-20% of what I use) are already coded for tablets. About another 15-20% aren't specifically coded for tablets, but still work acceptably. (ie. the old version of PressReader that Asus bundles with the tablet).

I would say subjectively that more than half do one of two things, though. They either have user interface elements that are greatly smaller than they should be (and are already too hard to press and read), or they have user interface elements that are scaled (but have scaled text and images that are blurry and hard on the eyes).

The new prime replacement will suffer from both problems to an even greater degree. You can be disbelieving all you like, but once you get it in your hands, you'll find out I'm right.

Mark my words... they'll be back. They'll have new names, and most likely they'll be tied to some completely unrelated (but vital to pass) bill, but as soon as they fall off the radar they'll be back. Our government is in the pocket of big business, and they will do whatever it tells them to do, to allow higher profit margins and to shut out competition.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kermode:
God, I wish someone would delete this thread.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dzontra11:
Hahaha...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] No_u:
YES delete this damn thread it mocks me every single day.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Lmao

Sent from my tf running krakd warped an twisted 1544mhz Blades kernel
[Eee Pad Transformer General] atlharp:
Agreed. This thread is like a bad joke......LOL.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] scottyf79:
Been running ICS on my sgs2 for a while now.............hope that cheers some of you up

:D:D:D

just like going from Froyo to Gingerbread on my Gtab - i missed the "wow" factor somewhere along the way - think theres going to be some disapointed people when it comes.

Keep it up guys - free entertainment.

Sent from my ICS powered SGS2........did i mention it has ICS (oops i did, my bad):p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darks1der:
Check out the reply i got from asus on FB.

They say it will be february before ICS is released for update.

http://www.facebook.com/ASUS/posts/315823461794392?notif_t=feed_comment
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Daimonji:
Who really cares about your Galaxy S2 running with a still unstable version of ICS? I prefer to move to ICS once everything is fine. So it won't be probably before mid 2012, after 2 or 3 Asus updates, or an ICS optimized Android HD Revolution firmware.

I also have a SGS2 and I am pretty happy with it now that it is rooted and has an optimized firmware installed. It is

not ICS

, and I don't need it actually.

The main benefit from upgrading to ICS would be the loading time to get ready after the tablet is switched on. This is pretty fast on SGS2, that would be nice if the tablet could boot up faster with ICS. I don't expect something else.

A newer version of the system doesn't automatically means that it is better, but some people don't seem to understand that. ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] scottyf79:
it wasnt to see if anyone cares lol - it was a little sarcasm .........and miui 4.0.3 version is hardly unstable.

pull your knickers out your crack and lighten up:D

and as for a newer version not automatically being better - well did i not really make that point already? hmmm
[Eee Pad Transformer General] morbidrealities:
The SGSII already boots up in 15 seconds or less. How much faster are you wanting it to be? Instant on?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dcalero:
Mod can you please lock this thread its pointless
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Yes. That's one of the goals for the people making dynamic RAM like STT-RAM.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tixed:
By the way (going a bit offtopic), I'm thinking to buy SGS2 while waiting for TF700T with my trusty TF101 (money was first meant for the TF201, but now I want HD screen). So, which optimized firmware do you have on your SGS2? I know there's a lot of them on its dedicated forum section, but some recommendations would be nice. Especially when I hear them from my brethren in transforming business :D