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[HTC Sensation] killingflowers:
I know someone at HTC; so I'll give him a buzz tomorrow...

I'll try to organise a meeting to get some questions answered.

Any questions you want, stick into this thread and we'll see what happens.
[HTC Sensation] Bionic Beast:
Questions

The main questions would be probably be is the ICS update for sensation gong to have Sense on it? if so will it be sense 3.5? Will there ever be an official sensation ROM that IS vanilla android?

That's all i can think of for now, let us know how it goes.
[HTC Sensation] sshede:
I believe it. The ICS update for Bell was pegged as February - so I assumed, as did others, that it would be out before then, leaked or unbranded anyhow. That being said, mid-January stacks up, and based on the latest leak, I wouldn't be surprised if they already have a fully-functioning build.

I mean, I'm running V.I 2.0.1 that's based off the latest test leak, and frankly, it feels 95% like a stable, full release. Worst case scenario - I have to wait an extra week or two for an OS that I'm not actively developing, I don't have room to complain!
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
I think the main question is when is it coming out? :p

Could you ask about the kernel version too?
[HTC Sensation] bobsie41:
'I dont know the kernal, the version was 4.0.3 and slightly later version than we have, the theme was halo/holo - one of those, sorry i cant say more'

Doesn't sound very convincing to me! :rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] petrosk73:
I don't think he is trying to "convince" anyone! He is just sharing some info, whether you choose to believe it or not, is your choice! ;)
[HTC Sensation] xenios:
I agree with Petros here. Right now there is no reason not to believe him.

AFAIK our ICS official test roms are more complete than any other device I know of. eg. Sony's for the Arc S has no networks, Samsung's for Galaxy SII is full of bugs etc etc.

If the OP is right or not only time will tell. And we are talking a week guys not months. Just relax and wait.
[HTC Sensation] Arthur Hucksake:
Makes sense.

Holo theme is the stock Android 4.0 that Google have insisted needs to be on all ICS devices that run the Android market.

It may also mean the official ICS roms will have the Holo launcher in the background. Great news because I prefer it.
[HTC Sensation] reneover:
Obvious troll, talking about HTC ruby like he doesn't know that is a future HTC phone, talking about halo / holo because it was on all the android websites lately. If you are really working in a phone company you would be aware of that things, so it think the guy is trolling.
[HTC Sensation] biggary:
I dont work for any phone company, I work for a phone shop, No, I wasn't aware of a HTC Ruby, but now know its the european version of the Amaze, and no I didnt know of the Holo Theme, but now know its the main ICS theme, why would I troll eh? why be immature like that? Im basically sharing what I been told, seen on the HTC Reps phone and read in the memos, I didnt have time to look up the kernal, all I could quickly see was the release was 4.0.3 and it was a slightly later version number than the one in our forums, one thing i did see that I didnt put already is at the end of build number, it said release-keys, the HTC employee has been spot on before with earlier builds of HTC operating systems, namely gingerbread and froyo, you can believe what you want, but Im only sharing what i seen/been told.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
What would he get out of trolling us? A few thanks...? I highly doubt this is the case.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
What's wrong with you people? He's not saying anything outrageous nor is he asking for money. Hes a dude that works in a phone store that heard

Some news. I used to work in a store too and can tell you that they don't go around telling you much more than he's heard and talked about. I wouldn't even know about special sales pricing on a phone until the day it was on sale. Give the guy a break already. Htc is really close as seen by what they have leaked to us. Thats much more than the other two dudes can say. (trip and cyanogen) have some faith in Htc.
[HTC Sensation] swissman:
Biggary, I will offer you a beer if all this is real because it's a f** good news. Thank you for sharing and must admit that I'm quite happy to see so many reactions...

I thought this was reserved for Apple hysteric (have you seen what's happening in China?) fans waiting impatiently for their new iDevices or iOperatingSystems. I will personnaly sit, wait, calmly, crossing my fingers and drinking cold beers until then..
[HTC Sensation] Blackbird1989:
Ooh, i hope it's true. Looking forward to something new and stable.

Verstuurd van mijn HTC Sensation met Tapatalk
[HTC Sensation] sarkar_007:
It is really a pity that some members are after 'biggary' for no reason. He has volunteered some information. Whether it is true or not we will find out in some days. So why are people doubting his intentions?
[HTC Sensation] ajay83:
Way I see it...

The info's been shared and we ALL hope it happens. There's no reason to give the man any stick over it...if anything I thank him for sharing what he's heard.

I remember when AlphaRev and Unrevoked said they had an announcement to make, it was pretty obvious that it would unlock our bootloaders...BUT the same old peeps had to slag them off for lying and that they weren't guna do anything, yet they were silienced in the end.

I think that if it's true and we get ICS in a couple of weeks...then SWEET, if not...then thats all good too. Nothing major to get worked up about ;)
[HTC Sensation] dislplin01:
+1 agreed

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] Ouzo:
Of course you can wait patiently, you live in probably the most beautiful country in the world ; ) You probably have gently tinkling cowbells nearby, not to mention a beautiful clear stream and wonderful architecture to look at. Sigh, fancy inviting the XDA crowd over for a meet up? Shouldn't be too many of us ; )

Seriously though, it'll come when it comes and it's good of the OP to pass on what he has seen. HTC's flavour of ICS will get modded and hacked and most of us will end up with firmware on our phone that we like - with or without Sense. I just hope HTC does the best job they can for our hardware, including making the most of 2d and 3d acceleration as well as BOTH cores. I'd like MP4 video to play smoothly over MHL connection to my tv, and I'd REALLY like proper bluetooth HID support so I can control my phone wirelessly (I'd actually like wifi direct enabled for full GUI mirroring, but I think there's more chance of a swiss cow turning up in my back garden than that ; )

One word of warning. Reps sell stuff. He needs to keep his trade contacts interested in the HTC brand and keep them interested in selling 'his' phones at a difficult time of year in the retail sector - especially selling a design that is fast approaching a year old, has a SoC that has been largely out-performed by Samsung's Exynos, has perhaps less RAM than it needs (especially with Sense on top) and a screen resolution that will soon be mid-tier with major handset announcements coming up in Febrauary and launches in April/May. No disrespect to the OP here, and no direspect to the HTC rep as HTC will themselves be trying hard to keep their whole sales team motivated about what they're selling. No disrespect to the Sensation itself or to Swiss cows and their bells.

To the OP. If your man comes back in - any chance you could ask about some of the newer features of ICS like proper support for bluetooth keyboards/mice/game controllers? It's supposed to be in ICS but if HTC use their own stack again, who knows....
[HTC Sensation] Electronic Punk:
I might be frowned on, but I have two devices one running the latest Sensation ICS leak that is out there, and the other running AOSP.

I like Sense better :s
[HTC Sensation] Pete2506:
If you can't wait for ICS, then use the leaks in our forums! We already have real HTC ICS Leaks!!!

Sent front my HTC Renovatio VXR
[HTC Sensation] Retrolock:
The OP has been a member since 2007, and he maybe offering futile hope to us HTC Sensation owners by tempting us with a proper ICS update in 2 weeks, but I don't mind.

LOL probably outperformed in benchmarks but hell, do you use your phone for benchmarks? I've seen more incompatibilities in games with galaxy S2 than the HTC sensation. Sense UI may perform like a turd on stock but it ain't as ugly as touchwiz thats for sure.
[HTC Sensation] reneover:
I really hope it is true, but it is almost to good to be true Ha. But if you say so I believe you, but it's just because you were like halo / holo and about the ruby you had no idea it was a phone, I just thought that you were trolling that to. But I really hope your right, and thanks for the info, and I hope you keep it coming.
[HTC Sensation] DarkEther:
At the end of the day, its what you like personally. I personally dislike Sense and would love a Sensation with fully legit and supported Vanilla Android...however i doubt that will ever happen as Sense like Touchwizz, Motoblur etc are all the phone manufacturers branding on the OS.

If the info provided here is accurate great, if not what have we lost....nothing.
[HTC Sensation] Eeroz:
Looking forward to it.
[HTC Sensation] alphar:
Must be nice. Which ROM are you using? I'm on Virtuous Inquisition 2.0.1. My battery life lasts roughly 7 hours before it dies.
[HTC Sensation] dislplin01:
I agree I actually like both sense and the stock AOSP and go back and forth between the two they will never make one without there sense but the custom roms without serve work fine I think

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4g with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] ferlezcano:
Hope we get it soon!
[HTC Sensation] dmcb123:
I know this is a little off topic but i think htc should load sense roms onto the units they sell as the default ROM but also provide an aosp build as an RUU rom. That way like 90% of consumers would use sense and the other ~10% would have a choice :) (the 90% being the average end-user who isnt aware of custom roms xda etc...) but thats just my 2 cents :P

Also thanks for the info OP hope it is that close :)
[HTC Sensation] Xxul:
2 days is nothing. I forgot my phone in the apartment and returned from the trip a week after, the phone was on cca 80% battery
[HTC Sensation] biggary:
The final version had sense 3.5 on it, which it would do i think, its HTCs thing, one thing we had in today, but never seen before, but mentioned in this post is a bluetooth keyboard for htc sensation, looks small and cute :)
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
2 days is nothing? I can't get it work more than 12h. 1h listening to music, 6h turned on wifi (surfing only 1h), no games, no other things, screen lowest as possible... many sms (about 30-60 a day).

and u want to say 2 days is nothing when i can't go to do **** in toilet, bec phone dies?!

PHone as stock, as possible, no root, no s-off, sense etc.

Explain me this mr. Sherlock.

what are you talking about, what keyboard?
[HTC Sensation] varxx:
Look, we know you're lying. Bluetooth keyboard! And you called it a "thing"! Ha! Pathetic attempt to get attention. Troll alert! :D:D

[sarcasm]
[HTC Sensation] Ouzo:
I'm a Sense fan too - it's one of the reasons I bought yet another HTC device after a number of years with HTC Windows Mobile devices. I also like the other HTC apps that are part of the whole experience, from the way DLNA is implemented to their email and messaging apps. Honestly, from what I've seen and for the types of things I'm interested, the GS2 has better hardware in terms of performance (or the firmware uses it better somehow). It's just a snappier device. I think both devices have compatability issues. There's STILL stuff I can't 'see' or buy in the Market even though I know it'll probably run. Same with the GS2 from what I read.
[HTC Sensation] Xxul:
Ok try this i will pay u a beer if i lose the bet. I bet u that if u turn off the wifi, set the screen to auto brigjtness, turn off auto rotate, only leave the 3g AND leave the phone alone (so no.interactions with it for 7days, lock it in a closet, put it somewhere out of reach) that it will have 80% battery on the 7th day :)
[HTC Sensation] VictorNYC:
Hummmm i don’t think most of us can survive 7 days with out a cell phone lol
[HTC Sensation] biggary:
Why would I need to get attention eh? Im a 39 Year old man! Im not in it for playing games, Im sharing information as I get it, or shall I get this post deleted, all I seem to get is abusive inboxes and being called a troll

bluetooth keyboard :

http://www.htcdepot.com/htc-sensation-keyboards.htm
[HTC Sensation] varxx:
Hey, I'm with you, man. I was trying to give some grief to the ones who were giving you grief. I guess I should have put my "sarcasm" tag at the beginning of my tongue-in-cheek post. (And I've got you by 16 years, by the way -- on the plus side.)
[HTC Sensation] thelegendarylegends:
Yeh I know aye, I chose sensation over s2 cos I like Sense UI its the best manufacturing UI ( EVERYONE GOTTA ADMIT THAT :D ), unlike touchwiz crap, if ur thinking about it, when u bought a phone, would u rather a phone that's capable with sense UI and AOSP roms, or a device which can only take AOSP

Sent from my sensational HTC sensation's xda app
[HTC Sensation] DANIPSX:
Waiting for the ICS!
[HTC Sensation] crankdelly:
Is Vodafone, your phone must be branded and if so it will takes 14 months
[HTC Sensation] phammichael:
Ok you got yourself a bet
[HTC Sensation] countryboy2005:
Let the countdown to ics begin.........
[HTC Sensation] Electronic Punk:
The countdown is already negative...

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[HTC Sensation] rinma50:
what that mean
[HTC Sensation] PowerValue:
This post can be rated useless, HTC announced the update will roll out beginning early 2012. The chance this guy is right is about 40%

Sent from my HTC Sensation using Forum Runner
[HTC Sensation] UKseagull:
For crying out loud, biggary must be wondering why on earth he bothered sharing his info at all. Give the guy a break and wait until the 14 days are up before shouting off at him.
[HTC Sensation] hal752:
I use to work for o2 returns and repairs. We didn't learn anything about planned updates from the company itself. We learned off the reps. They were always ahead off mostly anyone
[HTC Sensation] Awestrike:
I used to hate Sense, a long time ago. But the Sense UI is actually one of the biggest reasons I bought my XE.

The GS2 is not a bad phone. My girlfriend has one. But, out-of-the-box, my phone actually felt a lot smoother. And the GS2 feels weird in my pocket.

I really hope the OP is right. And I hope the rep was wrong about the final release being choppy and laggy, though I'm sure the devs here can fix it up right quick.
[HTC Sensation] Bronyr:
Having used Trips' ICS beta (no bt or video) I was blown away how smooth the rom was. Apart from smoothness (full use of dual core) -	great battery life, too.
[HTC Sensation] biggary:
The HTC Rep said the phone is very smooth, in my opinion, the leaks in the forum (no disrespect to the devs, the options menu, and when scrolling up and down, its a bit laggy, but in final release its smooth as silk, the only problem is that battery not improved - both me and the rep use anker batteries)

Cant believe that some users get 2 days use from one charge lol, on heavy use, about 16-18 hours, light use 24 hours
[HTC Sensation] attblekm:
Given that we have leaked roms on sense 3.5, I'd prefer they wait for the full release and put sense 4 on it. But as another anker user, battery life has been fine.
[HTC Sensation] sshede:
But according to HTC, ICS with Sense 3.5 is a full release. No one ever said Sense 4.0 was going to be released alongside Android 4.0 anyhow.
[HTC Sensation] kanav bhasin:
Which features are you missing from stock android that you wouldnt find in the updated sense 3.5? Why is the stock ui so much more radically better from the sense ui??? Htc stuck to their word.. Making efforts to get you ics as soon as feasible.. They already had most of the features provided in ics in the previous version of sense, got you fhe boot unlocker.. But no.... Y no sense 4.0... Give those guys some slack men, htc ftw as far as im concerned.
[HTC Sensation] leftheodo:
I have a bad feeling that HTC will come up with some kind of excuse and they wont give us sense 4.0. I hope I'm wrong about this. Anyway thanks for the info man. Sharing is the reason why xda is what it is! Cheers!
[HTC Sensation] Fireblade1000rr:
Someone can tell Me how long is battery life on ICS?? My Sensanion dieing after 24h :|max
[HTC Sensation] Brownie2k:
I'm running RCMix ICE 2.0 and i'm getting great battery life.

I've hardly used my phone in the past couple of days, but i'm currently on 1day 21hrs, 10mins and i've still got 59% battery left.

I turn my Wireless, GPS, BT and Mobile Data off when i don't use them, so i think that's helping a lot.
[HTC Sensation] dupsatou:
I think everybody's experiences will be different. For example, I use my phone for both personal and work calls so I'm on it almost all the time. I also get my work email pushed to the phone (exchange) and my personal email immediately as well. I'm on an Anker battery and about 12-15 hours is pretty typical for me. When on vacation recently all of that was turned off and I hardly used the phone except for the camera and it lasted almost a whole week. Just depends on your needs and how you use the device (obviously).

To the OP -- Thanks for sharing your info! I imagine with people giving you such a hard time it makes you maybe think twice about even trying to share in the future... But I hope you still will! ;)
[HTC Sensation] krazy_about_technology:
Just my observation: Battery life also greatly depends on signal quality and how well the operator has placed phone towers in your area. If signal strength varies too much or if there is too much tower hopping happening in your area, which of course is not very easy to detect, will cause battery to drain much faster. Cellular Radio draws a lot of power if signal quality is not upto the mark.

In my hometown, when I was on IDEA cellular network who have top notch signal strength in my area for both 3G and 2G, I was getting around 2 days 3 nights easily with moderate use. With same use, I am getting 1 day 1 night the most in my current place of living, Mumbai, where signal strength is upto 3 bars only and there is quiet a bit tower hopping happening.

So keep that also in mind while asserting battery life of your phone.
[HTC Sensation] stroobach:
Sorry of Its asked before. but would it be possible to flash a GB rom on hboot 1.23?

Xda doesnt work anymore on ics and reading alot on the website trough the phone is a bit hard..

So again sorry of its asked before
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Install AdFree from the Market. XDA restarts cause of the ads. Alternatively, you could get Tapatalk from Get Jar. Works the same as XDA app.
[HTC Sensation] stroobach:
Aight it works: D thx
[HTC Sensation] Brownie2k:
Totally agree with you there. I hardly use my phone and just text/call when needed, or i might play a game or two when i'm waiting for something. But generally i don't use it at all. I've just passed 2 days and it's at 56%, but most of that has been standby/deep sleep.

Compare that to when my rom went funny and the phone was stuck in awake mode even when the screen was apparently off (it was in my pocket, so i can't be too sure), it went from fully charged to empty in just over 5-6 hours.
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
I love how everybody says they want sense 4.0 when no one's even seen it... How do you know you want it? Sure, I like the number 4 better than 3.5 too, but I have no idea whether I'd like sense 4.0 over 3.5, cause again, I've never seen it. If someone had seen it,please link me to it, cause I would like to know how good it is and what it looks like. And please stop giving the op grief, he was just trying to give us a little info.
[HTC Sensation] jbl200:
lol .. this is a a joke right?

if it's not check out the android development section and see how you can install ics on your sensation right now.

it is not final but is working just fine.
[HTC Sensation] kingston73:
Hmm, I haven't read a single ICS rom thread where there wasn't some kind of issue. I love how people say " the rom works fine, i just have to pull my battery once a day..." or something similar. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to choose to use something that isn't 100% functional. Why?? Just so I can say I'm using ICS?? This isn't trashing anybody's rom, the developers can only work with what they have available, but as of now I don't see anything that has the functionality and usefulness of what I'm using now.
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
The op is talking about the official release.
[HTC Sensation] fuel3100:
ive got my new firmware on my stock htc sensation xe software number 1.77.720.103

i dont know whats new with this firmware..
[HTC Sensation] mikef:
Where did you get that firmware from? OTA? ;)
[HTC Sensation] swissman:
10 days left.... ;-)
[HTC Sensation] craig1965:
What really gets me myself included is we are never satisfied just under 2 years ago I had a Desire everyone was craving Gingerbread from the Devs and HTC now 2 years later we want ICS from the same sources when really because of Sense UI it dosent look that much different believe me I've tried it

What's next Jellybean with sense 4.5 cmon people enjoy what you have now the Dev community are doing there best with what they have give them some slack its not a payed job they go out of there way for all of us
[HTC Sensation] Xxul:
I have told u guys the battery can last a whole week with minimal usage.. frankly, u am very pleased with the sensation. Superb phone
[HTC Sensation] varsfx:
Whenever they release ICS, will it be available for every single HTC Sensation *** + Other phones out there? Or is it a selective upgrade ( dependants on carrier/country etc. )

When the update comes, does that mean my ROM/Kernel etc will get flashed by HTC Update ?
[HTC Sensation] kayslay21:
I kno a guy that's works for HTC n I was messing w/ his sensation yesterday, he gets test software from HTC, his sensation had a newer build # 3.22. xxx but he said it runs kinda slow so that probably won't be the final version either, it looked just like our builds nothing different. I use ARHD 6.0.2 XE n it was faster then his anyway lol he didn't kno anything about a final build tho
[HTC Sensation] kayslay21:
And I have no idea why but his said sense 3.6? Don't know wat that was about lol same kernel version also
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
Actual ICS roms are not stable whatever people say, there are lot of bugs,scrolling problems,random reboots...

So I am back to Rcmix now till the new leak is out
[HTC Sensation] k0zmic:
While I agree they're not fully stable I haven't noticed random reboots although the scrolling and transition animations feel quite laggy. Other than some apps being incompatible e.g. iPlayer, Vodafone My Account and ESPN Goals ICS seems quite good.
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
The scrolling is not a bug its a new ICS "feature" (I would call it a minor annoyance) but you get used to it. The random reboots have been solved and actually don't happen when flashing the RUU, its when the devs got slightly too clever and changed a couple of critical files they occurred. It is solved now though.

For me I have no problems with ICS and I find it perfectly usable as a daily driver.
[HTC Sensation] reneover:
@biggary sorry for my previous posts, I was out of line. but have you heard or seen anything more about the leaked version? Would love to see HTC their final version
[HTC Sensation] bogdanpop74:
now i use oficial test RUU ICS 4.0.3 an it`s good(just good). amazing how faster will have final ICS rom. gingerbread was a nightmare on time table updates for devices.
[HTC Sensation] pr0x:
I just wonder this sense 3.5 is it gonna be like sense on Sensation XL with curved bottom (menu, phone and personalize) or like on 1 rom that i saw - flat with five icons in the bottom?
[HTC Sensation] Jonny:
Five flat icons in the bottom
[HTC Sensation] Razor2100:
When come the first stable of ICS??

The Virtuous is however, it is quite really good!!

Which Rome you use!
[HTC Sensation] k0zmic:
Probably soon after HTC releases the official ICS update.