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[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Combine this with marketing people taking things they hear out of context, and it's easy to oversell things.

I'm a developer. I know. I know I should keep my mouth shut when marketing is around.

I may be in a conversation with some other devs, talking about my project. "Yeah. It's almost ready (to put into the build system)". (to have the build system tested, issues mapped, investigated and attempted fixed and retested, to THEN have the result of the build process tested, issues mapped, investigated, attempt to locate source, attempt to fix at source, and then redo everything again, to THEN have the build attempted packaged for deployment, to have that process tested and debugged, to have the result of that process tested, issues mapped, investigated, attempt to locate source of issue, attempt fix, retest, to THEN having the deployment-packaging routines put into the build system ETC ETC ETC

You get the picture. Getting from A to Z is a long way. A typical developer only focuses on the parts he is involved with. So when he says "Yeah it's almost ready (to put into the build system)", a marketing guy may hear that and think it actually means a product ready to launch is right around the corner.

Eager to please demanding customers, he announces this causually, like in a facebook commment. "Yeah. That's almost done. Will probably be out very soon".

And voila.

In short: Marketing people don't always mean to be assholes or liars, but to be safe and protect yourself from harm, always take what they say with a grain of salt.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fone_fanatic:
To those upset by saying Asus is using Google as a scapegoat; has Asus acknowledged the issues some prime owners are facing after the update?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] KingDavid63:
finally someone with some sense.. the morons unrootin and going back to stock just for an update... cant believe that... im not one of them i got root day one, but some of these people worked and waited months for root just to risk losing it for an ota, never know when there gonna push something that patches exploit or locks bootloader... when all you gotta do is wait maybe an extra hour and get it with busybox and superuser added, hell maybe even an hour before you get the ota... custom roms and flashin is the way to go once you get root.. Fu*$ an OTA... think people think...

Sent from my Revolver Powered Asus Transformer
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blestsol:
Why are they morons for unrooting and going back to stock to try ics?

o_O
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Because they know nothing about the new stuff Asus implemented. Maybe it will be impossible to downgrade, and for sure they fixed the exploit NachoRoot used. So, no rooting (except for the guys with nvflash). So basically, it's like running into a lions cage with a sheathed sword, what MIGHT have a proper edge, or might be a simple wooden toy. Just like that.

I see that people want the update on their device ASAP. But, they want Asus to provide the same quality and experience the user got from a CUSTOM ROM - what will clearly won't happen. It won't come pre-rooted, with overoptimized kernel, overclock options, etc etc. But the users will demand it saying that they already had it, why didn't Asus put them into their new release.

Then, these ones will rush for the given dev (let it be Roach, Gnufabio, JCarzz, Mike1986, and others), and cry/beg for an immediate update for their tabs. While the devs, knowing it needs some precaution, will slowly grab the image, and began adding their magic. But users won't understand it needs time, they will demand an update. And if OUR OTA comes, they'll jump on them, and won't stop asking about the next release, etc. That's why many (including me) suggest not to go back to stock for the update, but let the devs do their work.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
They already got Google's approval, or it wouldn't be shipping for the Prime. Hence, this is BS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Lol. Because obviously the tf101 and the tf201 which consists of vastly different hardware runs the same ICS-build.

Get a clue.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Guess what, almost the same.

Of course, the drivers, kernel, etc are different, but the core part, the actual Android part is 99% the same - and this is what Google cares of. The Holo theme, and such. What is the exactly same as the TF201 build (some apps may differ, like Glowball, but those are 3rd party).

And it is said, that the TF201 release was neither Google approved, nor properly tested.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
What exactly does Google have to approve? I thought Android is an open source os and Asus can put whatever they want on their devices.

Some manufacturers push updates a few days after the last... Do they have to get approval for those too?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Google restricts the Google Apps parts - if you want to ship a device with that, you have to match some kinda strict criteria, like leaving the Holo theme intact in the device (or, if another theme like TouchWiz is added, an option to switch back to it), and such. They are getting a bit even ridiculous about this, as they want to provide the almost same user experience on every device (and HTC mostly, with their UI mods, ****ed the system up pretty much).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
... unless you want to put Google apps and marketplace on there, THEN it has to be approved by Google.

That said, I would imagine that getting the best Android tablet on the market approved would be pretty trivial and straightforward.

There are precisely 917 Approved Android devices...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Why do they restrict those apps? Sounds petty to me.

I guess that's why Android has been called the most closed open source os. This only hurts consumers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Taknarosh:
Because Gmail, Youtube, Maps, Market, etc ARE NOT open source. It's not a difficult concept.

If you do a git pull of the AOSP everything you get there is the Open Source Android project.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Chileno4Live:
Lol I'm glad I don't have to go through all the unrooting ****. I wanted to root my Asus Transformer but I saw that ICS is coming. I can wait another few weeks since i'm not used to root **** on it :P. I don't want to root it now though since it could brick my Transformer if I install ICS, or not?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
Maybe because they're:

a, Not open source

b, Google property

So Google wants to make sure those apps (Market especially) works flawlessly on a given release. Let's say, Asus makes a new framework, with lots of mods, additions and removals of classes, but won't test against the Google Apps (as they get into the final package after testing, before releasing). Let's say, they change the CheckBox class, change it's name and mother classes. As Market relies on it (and Youtube, GMail, and pretty much everything), they will nicely crash with a "Java: Class not found" error. That's why Google requires everything stay AOSP.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] pside15:
Honestly, I would go ahead and root if you are able to. No telling how rootable stock ICS will be at first. If you are rooted you won't get the OTA ICS update but I'm fairly sure that someone will package the stock ICS into a flashable zip for CWM within a few days of it coming out. The dev for Revolver already said he should be able to put out a stock ICS ROM within a couple of days after it is released.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Being rooted shouldn't stop you from getting the OTA update..only if you flash a custom rom, I'm fairly sure of this but if I am wrong someone will tell me ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] StingRay_:
If you've rooted and installed an alternative recovery (i.e. Clockwork Recovery), I believe you will not be able to receive any OTA updates...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spookymonster:
I can confirm that. Tried upgrading from .21 to .26 on my rooted (CWM) TF101. Every time, it would end with the ! error screen. I doubt they'll change this when they push ICS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
So we aren't waiting for Google to allow Asus to push out ICS, we are waiting for their permission to have their apps bundled with it... Got it. Still sucks for the users. :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] pside15:
Yea, if you are just rooted you can still get the OTAs. I've never rooted and didn't flash a recovery and ROM so that's just how I think of it. They go hand in hand for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] GasGuzz:
+2.

Rooted/CWM/Stock-ROM on .19, no .21 OTA notice.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dreadmador:
I find it ironic how many of the people criticizing others for going back to stock in preparation for ICS seem to have no experience thus far with ICS. I played with Revolver and generally enjoyed it. I may try an ICS flavored version of it when it becomes available. But it had nothing on my stock ICS experience thus far.

-A GNex user

---------- Post added at 04:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:01 PM ----------

Doing multiple backups and downgrading back to stock takes awhile when you have a two year old competing for attention.

---------- Post added at 04:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:02 PM ----------

Why exactly do people believe that being rooted will prevent an OTA ICS update? It sure didn't prevent me from from receiving the .19 to .21 (which I promptly downgraded to re-root) OTA update? And now, there's OTA RootKeeper.

---------- Post added at 04:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:12 PM ----------

I received .19 -> .21 OTA with CWM. /shrug
[Eee Pad Transformer General] neofreek01:
i kinda think they might have been planning on releasing updates for them all and when they realized there was a problem with the update on the prime, the retracted what was said and prevented a possible few million tf101 update problem.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] pside15:
If you see my later post I indicated that I personally interpret be rooted to also include a custom ROM. I know that isn't technically true but I've never personally just had a rooted stock device, so that's just how I think of it. If you have a custom ROM installed you will not get OTA updates.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blestsol:
So with all that said, they're morons and all of them fit that broad description.

Damn, moron for being happy to try something. I'm sure not every last one of them will react like that. Ignorance.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] MorganH76:
I wouldn't even be sure on the "end of the month". I'm sure it has been delayed so they don't get a repeat of what has happened with a lot of TFPrime devices. Once they work that out and are certain it wont happen to the TF101 devices, they will release it.

Whether that is in 1 day or 3 months, no one knows, but you can imagine the stink if they released it for the TF101 now and it was having the exact same issues as some of the Primes.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaijura:
Give asus a break sometimes. They are well respected in x86/64 architecture, very established and do their things well. This is their first android device (barring the prime), they might not know all the ropes as HTC or Samsung would. To chide them down is being a hardass. Other companies have made similar mistakes starting up, give them some time before they know how to work out the kinks with the chain of command.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
I never said they are morons. I don't even say everyone who downgraded matches my description. But someone, who downgrades, and then comes here complaining, is clearly under my statement. And yes, most of the people who downgraded WILL come complaining about ICS not working as they wanted.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blestsol:
Peace,

I responded like that because I was asking WHY are they morons. And you said BECAUSE they such and such.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Exactly. The vast majority is identical; there are a handful of (in the bigger scheme of things) relatively minor differences between the Transformer and Transformer Prime, and there is no way on this planet that the updates for both devices weren't prepared at the same time by Asus. They will have been created by the same team, as two forks of the same code taking account of the minor differences, and they'll have been in testing in parallel.

There is absolutely no practical reason why they couldn't be released simultaneously, except to try and reduce tech support load (and frankly if Asus cared about that, they'd stagger updates by serial number or similar, which they don't do, so I don't believe they're delaying for support reasons either.)

They're delaying the TF101 release to give Prime owners the warm-and-fuzzies because they paid more recently. Nothing more, nothing less.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlanWarrick:
Sounds like that guy got a little ahead of himself
[Eee Pad Transformer General] funky_snowman:
who cares. its not here yet, wait, the end.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wildestpixel:
In another thread someone is claiming to have it on tf101 ?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
Im pretty sure it's only out for the tf201. If you are going to make claims like this, at least provide a link to the thread to prevent further speculation.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wildestpixel:
You need to chill out a bit. Its not difficult to find the trolling thread and I can't link it as I'm stood on the tube.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] philsuf:
echoing news from engadget... february...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/12/ice-cream-sandwich-to-hit-eee-pad-transformer-in-february-says/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] vaaly:
Yesterday I had a little discussion with Asus Italy because I'm confused about the ICS update for TF101: Asus Singapore said that ICS will be released from the end of January but Asus Italy is saying that the upgrade will not be released until the end of february.

Italy is saying also that Singapore probably misunderstood the communication from the HQ in Taiwan regarding the ETA of iCS
[Eee Pad Transformer General] meta96:
Mobile World Congress 2012

... the Mobile World Congress 2012 is at the end of february, that could be the timeframe for the update. Maybe google will launch a "big ICS update party" where a couple of devices (moto, samy, asus ...) get ICS,

prime FTW
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
It was a pretty obvious hoax which has been debunked.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] El Niche:
I'm actually happy with ASUS and their updates, Honeycomb has been working very good in my tablet, I really don't mind waiting a few weeks for ICS, I don't know what all the anger towards ASUS is coming from. They at least are trying to get it pushed faster than other tablets. I'm sure the improvements will be great but unless ICS can literally scratch my back and make me a sandwich, I can stick with HC till Feb.

I also don't believe when people say ASUS delayed it because ppl that bought Prime payed more and deserved it faster. Unless you work in ASUS we will never know why they weren't release at the same time. Go and enjoy HC for a few weeks and be glad you didnt get ICS with the problems Prime users got.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dreadmador:
I'm tending to lean toward the belief that Asus picked up on the Prime ICS complaints quickly and wanted to test the update further before possibly releasing the same problem upon a large number of TF101 owners. I don't really believe they'd intentionally hold a software update back to promote sales of the Prime since the Prime's quad core and other improvements are enough to sell the tablet already. If maximizing sales of the Prime were their top goal, I highly doubt they'd have announced the TF700 this week. How many potential Prime buyers will now consider waiting until the TF700 is available?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] josteink:
What is this? Reasonable responses?!?

Oh hush!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
The Prime has plenty gunning against it as well.

* GPS doesn't work, and was removed from the spec sheet rather than actually fixing the problem

* Wifi and Bluetooth don't work as well as in the TF101, as reported by reviews and users, but not yet acknowledged by Asus (likely the same problem as GPS, just not quite as severe)

* Audio has been downgraded from stereo to mono

* Doesn't work with the TF101 dock, so TF101 owners have to buy a new dock all over again, despite promises that the dock would work with future Transformer models

* Has only been available for a couple of weeks, and yet has *already* been superceded by a newer, better model that likely fixes many of these issues, and greatly increases resolution

There are many points where the Prime doesn't measure up to its predecessor, and where early adopters have been left in a state of fury. You might not believe that Asus is delaying the TF101's ICS launch solely to stroke the feathers of Prime owners, but I think it's pretty clear.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tripsyk:
A. I am one of those Prime buyers waiting for TF700 (if I get it at all).

B. I agree, ASUS is probably testing ICS for the TF101 and TF700 in to the ground before launching it. Typically how it works is a device that isn't a Nexus, but pioneers a new version of Android typically isn't a very smooth and bug-free device.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] just lou:
Great points, but the ICS issues are also clear. I think it's a combination of what you said and ICS having issues.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tripsyk:
Funny thing is? I am one of those chumps who pre-ordered the Prime from Amazon, never got it even three weeks after the preorder, and canceled before all of this was announced.

So for most, it's not even like it's been out for weeks :D:D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ondoy1943:
And the Winner is......

Motorola xoom appears to be the first out of the gate to receive the ics update from among existing first gen honeycomb tablets.

http://m.androidcentral.com/motorola-xoom-project-starting-roll-out-now-and-continue-through-weekend

http://www.talkandroid.com/83313-mystery-xoom-update-begins-roll-out-this-evening/#.Tw_uFqX9OCp

Sorry about that tf101 fans and sorry for being out-of-topic. :(:(:(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] davebugyi:
Darn... I should gone with the XOOM.

Just kidding :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] slopokdave:
Haha!!! Hilarious...

I had the Xoom when it first came out. That screen = :confused:.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] combat goofwing:
Don't think anyone can complain about updates from ASUS.Given the amount and quality of updates the TF101 has received and how ASUS have listened about issues and been very quick to correct any bugs.if I have to wait for ICS then so be it ad I know it will be well supported by ASUS

DESIRE HD using ER3BUS ASUS TRANSFORMER on KRAKD
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tripsyk:
Yea, ASUS has a strong reputation for pushing out quality updates in a timely manner for the public. We have received amazing support until now, and I know we will continue to get it.

Also, a XOOM? No thanks. I like battery life.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Chileno4Live:
Wait so the TF101 dock will not work with ICS? SERIOUSLY?! Because this is a dealbreaker for me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
Where did you hear that? Because both ported ICS roms have dock input..it would be absolutely stupid for Asus to not be able to replicate this..I've not heard this rumor about ICS breaking the TF101 dock..that would be pretty retarded..

Edit: I think what you were reading was that the TF201 (Prime) does not work with the OG TF dock..not that ICS on the TF101 will not work with the dock...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I would say software support has been fair, but not excellent. As much as new releases have fixed bugs, they've tended to introduce others. They've also tended to increase the volume of spam software that's included solely because Asus gets paid to include it, or gets a referral fee when somebody uses / activates it.

They've also tended not to apply patches to that third-party software to bring it up to the current release. PressReader, for example, is WAY out of date, a tablet version has long been available, and there is no reason to bundle it because it is free in the market. If you want to use the tablet version, though, and you want to use the stock launcher, the only way to know which version you're about to launch is to remember that one version has a space in the name, and the other does't. (PressReader vs. Press Reader).

There are also basic, fairly significant bugs that have been there since day one, and remain unaddressed. The most glaring of these is that the Market and many other apps stop working or throw "page not found"-type errors after a short period, until wifi is disconnected and reconnected, or the tablet restarted. (I've lost count of how many thousand times now I've had to acknowledge prompts and try to get a page to load, especially in the market, in the months I've owned my tablet, despite complete reinstalling from scratch, running stock/root, and no before you say it, it's not a hardware problem because it happens on multiple copies of the tablet which I've bought and own.

I'm praying that ICS will finally fix some of these issues, but I'm not holding my breath. More likely is that once ICS is available, since the source has been provided, some enterprising dev will find the basic bugs in the OS that are causing issues like these. Sadly, they can't do the same for the bundled apps, nor can we necessarily apply their fixes without voiding our warranties.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Chileno4Live:
I read it at the beginning of this page. But if what you said is right, then it is all good xd

Verstuurd van mijn GT-I9000 met Tapatalk
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
I'm sure we are within days of getting the upgrade on our TF101. Moto rolled out ICS 4.0.3 to a handful of MFN testers for the Xoom WiFi this morning and the upgrade was leaked within hours. I upgraded mine and it absolutely shreads HC. Everyone is going to love it, it works perfectly on Tegra2 and actually optimizes the performance. It is so smooth and fast. I can't wait until my TF101 is also running ICS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] KingDavid63:
some of this stuff im reading here is ridiculous and plain out wrong? HTC ****ed the system up? dude get real, u have no idea of what you are talking about... The real deal is. This is EXACTLY how Google intended android to be... with HTC and there ui called SENSE... Samsung and there Touchwiz... hell take the kindle fire for example or the nook color... The have and are an Android based OS, but to look at them android is not seeable to the naked eye there at all, and google could care less, i mean this is what google wanted... Imagine the possibilities, and it has grew just like they wanted, and added to there deep pocets... It is open source so we or anybody with the skill can add to or change around or do anything they want to the UI, or performance, just as long as it has it's core structure and compatability... and that is the goal with there holo theme including ****... they just want all the apps to be compatable, structure, were not talking about how the thing actually looks here (theme)... so to say n e thing is messed up is just plain wrong...

Sent from my Revolver Powered Asus Transformer
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
Thats what annoys me the most right now, why the xoom got the ics update before tf101.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JITucker:
I hope we don't have to wait until next month. If they hadn't of announced that it was going to be released already, mistake or not, I probably wouldn't feel like a kid waiting for Xmas...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodoane:
Whell... Xoom is belong to Motorolla and Motorolla is belong to GOOGLE. Thats why!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoTeC:
Actually as far as tablets go, Asus DID get the FIRST ICS upgrade on the TF201 on Jan 12. This isn't a public release for the Xoom, it was leaked from MFN. It's only a matter of days, I'm sure.

FWIW, I'm annoyed my TF doesn't have ICS yet either... ;)