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[Asus Transformer TF700] bologdl:
So what your trying to convince us is that they made it without testing it. So we sould never buy their products as they are never tested before being released.

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[Asus Transformer TF700] The Janitor Mop:
Wow. Asus rushed the Transformer Prime to market and paid the price, and now they are rushing its half-baked revision to market only some weeks after the Prime became available. Maybe next time they will actually take some time to design a decent looking plastic back cover (like Samsung and Motorola and plenty of other companies are capable of doing). I'm not sure who at Asus thought it was a good idea to make consumers pick between a flawed product and an ugly one. Typically companies try to make products that both work and are good looking, but I guess that's an impossible marriage when you do a horrific job of taking appropriate time.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jfranco328:
Agreed, still waiting on my second order from another prime to be filled.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
what a day..lol finally reached the last page, for now. I need a break from all this. Going to enjoy my Prime n play some Modern Combat 3 or mess around with some cool apps. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Wordlywisewiz:
Try playing skyrim with splashtop!
[Asus Transformer TF700] GCurry:
I had to return my Prime. Just didn't feel good about it. GPS broken. The metal shell was compromising wifi and bluetooth was interfering. I couldn't convince myself that there were decent unit tests and system tests and purchased units were all over the place, QA issues.

If I'm going to buy on spec, as in pre-order, I want product to meet spec. If it doesn't, I lose faith. I wish Asus had just finished the TFP at the price point. I think the design center was fine, with lower res screen, GPS, a modest extension of the successful TF1.

I'll see what happens with Asus, but now am thinking they're hitting everything BUT the sweet spot.

If I had to guess, I'll probably end up with a properly finished 7" tablet, dense screen, high-perf communications. I don't care if its thin or flashy. I just want it to work well. I want to feel like the supplier is in control.
[Asus Transformer TF700] 3rdamention:
Asus' own official statement admits that the aluminum unibody design may affect GPS and WIFI signals. That is pretty much a design flaw if you ask me. Sure, it looks sexy, feels strong, offers great protection. However, in hind sight, it is pretty obvious that the aluminum unibody actually restricts the reception of GPS and Wifi, thus causing a flaw in how they perform.

I am not trying to argue, or challenge you, but that is a design flaw at its basic definition. You could build a vehicle out of plastic to make it cheaper, lighter, cooler looking, more space aged looking, and that would be a BIG DESIGN RISK, just like you are stating Asus took with the Prime's Design, but that doesn't mean it was the best decision when it comes to performance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Come on guys...don't let ICS updates shut you up. It didn't solve anything.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HuskerWebhead:
Nowwww you're starting to get into troll territory.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Actually no one has mentioned this to me in this thread, you are the first. If you cannot return a defective unit to your retailer then yes that's definitely a problem, and not what I have been talking about throughout this thread.

Hopefully since asus has said they would give extended return period to those in taiwan they will make sure you are able to get a refund if wanted. Best of luck
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
granted this is a semantic argument... "flaw" to me means "error". what asus did, in my view, was make a trade-off. it was a risky trade-off because it is difficult to quantify the value of the solid backplate's benefits vs. the reduction in wireless performance. they clearly tried to offset that reduction via the second wifi antenna, so they must have been aware of the risk. but when designing products, this is the type of thing where you really can't predict what kind of customer response you'll get until after you're fully committed and it's too late to change. you could certainly argue that taking that risk at all was bad judgment, but i seriously doubt that the engineers who worked on this tablet were completely blindsided by wireless performance being reduced.

i guess i'm just a little sympathetic with engineers. designing products and finding the right balance of trade-offs is hard. looking at this product AS A WHOLE i think it is an impressive piece of engineering. it is hands down the best android tablet shipping today, not just in features but also construction and value ($). so the idea that the same guys that beat out samsung, motorola, and LG on product design would be clueless about wireless reception seems hard for me to believe.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
HTC took a design risk in producing the aluminum uni-body HTC Sensation. Even then, following basic engineering principles, they knew enough to put a plastic swath across the back cover to aid the wireless signal. It was a fail. Google "HTC Sensation Wi-Fi." They gave up on the design on future phones.

So, with someone else already having leapt in to the abyss and failed, Asus goes forth with even less effort by delivering the first mobile device with a 100% metal back. Even before it launched this was a stupid idea as they had to increase their costs by adding an extra antenna to compensate for their self-inflicted design choice. So as it stands, GPS is hosed, BT may or may not work simultaneously with Wi-Fi, and Wi-Fi is at best passable and inferior to the device that preceded it.

Sorry, that's not taking a "RISK" that's being stupid, arrogant, or both.
[Asus Transformer TF700] bologdl:
Early release of ICS are they trying to deflect attention

Are they trying to deflect attention by releasing ICS early I wonder. What do you think?
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
And the flood of "ICS fixed my wifi, bluetooth, and GPS ... told you, it was the software" will erupt.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
that's fair... arrogance, i could see more than stupidity
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Same to me...didn't do anything.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Yea, but that's the initial reaction & response you will see.. and are seeing atm.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
At first I thought that. As disconnected as all their other actions and communications have been I don't give them that much credit. It's more CES bravado than deflection.

Placebo (fanboy) effect. It'll be as if the Prime's been reborn. Remember, 1/3 of the people voting in the GPS poll were sure there's was working. It'll take a couple of days for the dust to settle to see what's really been fixed (or broken). As for GPS, it seems they've removed it from the control (not settings) menu so that says something right there.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
How disappointed were you after Samsung's press event? I was waiting for 11.1 in. tablet =/

Now I have to decide if I want to:

a.) re-purchase galaxy tab 10.1 from costco since they provide 90 day full refund return policy.. and hope Acer Iconia A700 gets released within that time frame (what are you thoughts on Acer's potential release date?)

b.) re-purchase Prime and BT GPS receiver.. and ignore that i have defective device
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
I wonder if it has to do with their testing procedures. We are out testing in the real world but maybe most of their testing was in shielded chambers like this

Most of the problems we notice may not be really seen in this kind of test environment (wifi not being tested at the edge of router ranges and things like that). I couldn't begin to tell you if they actually don't do much real world or extreme testing but just a thought.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
How many months were there between the tf1 and the tfp? CES is when companies show their products for the whole year. Asus needs to announce competition for the full hd tablets coming. That doesn't mean we will see it anytime soon. I would not be surprised if the new tablet becomes a q3/q4 release regardless of what they are saying now. There are always delays. Not to mention another month added on just to be able to buy one due to Asus supply difficulties. The idea is to keep other companies guessing and to keep consumers from buying a competitors product. This announcement is doing that job. I want an awesome tablet now. I don't want to wait 6+ months to see it in stock.

The Prime is like a Ferrari. Sure it may not have as many cup holders or be as quiet as a mini van but it's a lot nicer to look at and more fun to use than anything else.
[Asus Transformer TF700] The Janitor Mop:
Lol I scrolled through every tech website I have bookmarked looking for information on Samsung's upcoming 11" tablet. I wasn't expecting anything, but I was still sad.

I'd go with plan A for you. 3 months? I'd say there's a good chance the A700 will be out within that frame. It looks pretty impressive overall, too. They managed to make it decently attractive, too. I think the Acer and Lenovo are slated to be early 2012 tablets.

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It's a revised Prime that's hardly any different than the Prime. Its window of competitiveness in terms of specs is with the Acer A700 and the Lenovo, so it will have to come out around the time they do, which should be 4 months at the latest. Asus would be pushing out too little too late if this Prime revision comes out any later than that.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It might be false hope, but I'm hoping Samsung intentionally avoided making the announcement at CES so as not to get lost in the clutter. They have the resources to host their own mammoth event and I predict it'll either be right before or right after Apple announces the iPad3. Currently that event's rumored for next month. Knowing about the 11.6 now and getting it in March vs. knowing about it in February and getting it in March doesn't make a difference (to me). I'm going to wait even if it's mid-year. By the time it's released ICS will have gotten a little more established, apps will be updated for it, and the I can experiment on it with the G-Tab.

I'm no Samsung fanboy, but watching Asus, Acer, and Lenovo launch products makes me appreciate Samsung more.

1) Lenovo's tablet roadmap is aimed at China with their best devices going their first and no official word about the U.S.

2) Acer's supposedly soon to be available tablet isn't allowed off its leash and journalists aren't allowed to touch it. That's not good. And a release date of "sometime before 2H" is anywhere between now and June 30 at 11:59PM. Sketchy.

3) Asus. This thread speaks for itself.

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The fact that it's finalized enough for Asus to allow journalists to take it off on their own to play with it and report on it speaks volumes as to how far along it is. Acer wouldn't allow their new tab out of the hands of their own people (which says something about how far along it is). From a pure financial perspective, Asus would be insane to announce an alternative to the just-released Prime and tank its sales if they weren't going to release the TF700 in a reasonable amount of time. CES is just one of many electronics shows. It's a beauty pageant and nothing more.
[Asus Transformer TF700] smachine:
Agreed. Samsung knows how to launch product much better. Acer, Asus and Lenovo all announced their new products within 2 days of each other. Its just a specs war. When Samsung releases it may seem to have the same specs on paper ie tegra 10.1 1gb ram etc.... but their stuff is better put together. I had a Gtab 10.1 and everything in it was thought out. It was ultra thin and had great construction, the screen was best in class, great battery life, and wifi bt gps got instant locks. Sold it to get the prime, but as soon as the next gen Samsung is out i will switch. I got prime for $400 so i wont lose much if anything in terms of reselling it later on.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
We already know it has a ground breaking display, AndroidBeam for sharing content with other NFC-equipped Android devices, and an entirely new Exynos processor. When they announce next-gen products, people tend to listen. They're the closest thing Android has to Apple. It helps that they have more cash in the bank than most third world countries generate in GDP. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Yea, I agree with you on Samsung.

Also, your thoughts on Acer is exactly why i'm contemplating on re-purchasing Prime again with BT GPS receiver. I have no interest in 1080p resolution upgrade ($100 price increase is ridiculous by Asus) but I'm waiting to purchase win 8 tablets (most likely from Samsung) towards the end of the year as most likely.. i'll be working on metro apps for work.

If Samsung releases their tablet at the end of Q2 (june) or early Q3, can't really justify the purchase with Win 8 on the horizon. If only Acer released more info. & my decision will be that much easier.

Btw, I'm amazed that more aren't ticked off at Asus for announcing 7in. tablet like I am. $250 tablet for exactly the same spec as Prime TF201 but at the half of the cost.. and most likely, all working hardware.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Delecron:
Great point, I didn't even think about that on my rant thread :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
I'm surprised that no one picked up on the fact that there have been very few devices announced with Teg3. Nvidia's got to be hurting because Teg2 isn't being used in anything newly produced and nothing appears to be imminent that’s using Teg3 in any volume. The cheap 7" was jointly announced between Nvidia and Asus so maybe Nvidia cut the price of the chip to show sales and is sharing profit (if there is any) with Asus on the back-end. Nvidia's a public company so it'll be interesting to see how Teg3 sales map to their forecasts when they report Q1 numbers.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Well, Nvidia CEO did mention about Tegra 3 deviced being $300 or below before. Perhaps he knew about the existence of Asus 7in. tablet.

We have yet to see Qualcomm tablets (except from Lenovo.. which won't leave China most likely) either. Although, it won't surprise me if Qualcomm has ditched Android and are concentrating mostly on Win 8 ARM tablets with OEM.

I do have suspicious feeling that Samsung & Sony will release new tablets for summer though.
[Asus Transformer TF700] FunkyMcBain:
Dual core Qualcomm chip that's odd, must be a move not to piss us all off. On the surface this sounds great but in reality the higher res will go to waste cause all tabs are this res now
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
i think the 7in is being positioned more as a kindle fire competitor, noting the portrait orientation and price point. it will have less storage (i believe the $250 model only has 16GB) and the build quality doesn't seem as impressive. this is certainly an appealing "value" device (i'd easily take it over a kindle fire) -- also potentially a great tablet for young kids to play games and watch video -- but the form factor differences seem significant enough that most people craving a "full size" tablet aren't likely to be interested... especially if it's the keyboard dock they are after.
[Asus Transformer TF700] morphiend:
the 7 inch tegra 3 memo looks great. my wife and I can both have tegra 3 tablets for the price of the prime. its making me want to return the prime even more now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
It's a kindle fire "killer" but the spec on that 7 in. device is exactly the same as Prime TF201. It could just be 16GB, but you don't see a big difference between 16 and 32GB when you have microSD slot as storage upgrade.

3 inch knocks off $250 dollar from "flawed" Prime TF201 but it cost $100 for 1080p resolution upgrade and "fix" on the "flaws" of Prime TF201.

Someone.. anyone, please explain that logic to me.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
Actually, the pricing doesn't seem too bad.

TF201 32GB is $499, 64GB is $599.

TF700T adds 1080p display, 2 megapixel camera, prices are $599 for 32GB, $699 for 64GB. I don't think it should be considered as the TF201-2, so I don't count it "fixing" the "flaws" of TF201 with the new casing.

And the 7inch... well, not really a lot of info on that, but...

Let's say: it would be $100 cheaper for half the storage of the TF201 (16GB), and $150 cheaper for the smaller screen size.

Seriously, people need to stop this *****-fest. People got the Prime knowing it was the first Tegra 3 tablet. Obviously it wasn't going to be the only one. All the whiners should have just waited to see what the other tablets were going to offer instead of jumping ship for the first one.

When you decided to buy the Prime, it should have been an informed decision. You should have known that other, possibly better, tablets were going to come out. You made a decision to get it, so on your own head be it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
i don't think it has a microSD card slot, or at least i haven't seen this confirmed in any of the specs/photos i've seen. has anyone else seen this yet?

there may be other differences under the hood as well that we don't know about yet, like display quality. but i agree that this should be a great value device, if they don't screw it up.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xTRICKYxx:
Am I the only one who loves the design of the TF201 and doesn't care about a front facing camera or GPS? Wifi is perfect for me too. I am content.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jauffRINDIR:
Well crap, I read all 44 pages and still can't decide whether to cancel my preorder or not.

Pros for keeping: Have been waiting ages to get a tablet as I skipped the TF1 waiting for the TF2. Get a tablet in the 4 months or I'd be waiting. Could probably hold me over until Windows 8 (that is, if it really is worth it over Android). Smaller resolution = less lag. Cheaper

Cons for keeping: Might get a bad WiFi one (or was that just the first batch), I don't care for GPS. Chance of bad screen/other issue as I'm ordering from UK (I'm in Aus) and really don't want to ship it all the way back there.

Pros for waiting: Nicer screen, *should be* no connectivity issues, more future proof (although this has sort of proved the term future proof is dead).

Cons for waiting: More expensive, if Win8 tablets are way better then I don't see all the money I spent on the T700 worth it if I'm gonna upgrade quickly. Looks ugly.

Logic tells me to stick with the TF201, but I can't get that irk out of my head. Arrrggghhhhhhh
[Asus Transformer TF700] s0ysauce45:
I'm more irked that they've already announced and plan on releasing the successor to the TF201 when most retailers are still backordered, rather than acknowledging its deficiencies, supporting its strengths and rewarding or showing some remorse for early adopters that have been loyal this whole time.

Its almost as if they found out about rumors of a better next gen screens, read the forums to find out that GPS wasn't working, and decided within a few weeks to scrap the TF201 all the while leaving the rest of us in the dark.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Tomlilley:
EDIT: Ooops, wrong thread.
[Asus Transformer TF700] zeroburn:
I only have one problem, I can live with the gps and my wifi appears fine - the dev's abandoning the unit for pastures new, I had hoped for a long and successful period of modding in the same way my original tab has been looked after and I fear that isn't on the cards.

On the flipside I will not be sending it back based on the calls from some to 'stick it to Asus' because Asus doesn't care! I also waited 5 months to get to this point and I will not be waiting 6 more to get a tablet and go through this process again.

In fact I will keep it and then in 12-18 months when Tegra4 appears I will feel I am due for an upgrade.
[Asus Transformer TF700] crimsonnight:
You've done better than me! I read the first 15 and the last couple.

I've had problems with my Prime preorder going through, and I was just about to ring to fully confirm everything before seeing the TF700T announced on Engadget. Now that I've read quite a few opinions on here I've decided to continue with my order.

If both tablets were available now, I probably would go for the TF700T as I think the specs justify the extra cost, that being said I don't think it's worth waiting for. That's because by time it's actually out it'll be close to the era of Windows 8 tablets, and that'll probably be my next upgrade in a year or 2. The TF201 will be more than sufficient for me in the meantime. The second reason I'm not waiting is although I'm not a massive fan of the 2 colour choices for the TF201, I love the metallic design, and am seriously put off by the generic, flimsy-looking back cover on the TF700T.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jauffRINDIR:
Yeah, I'm starting to definitely swing back towards keeping my order. I held off the original transformer out of fear that the Prime (which was just a rumour) was just a few months off, but screw it now that I know exactly what's coming. 1920x1200 isn't necessary on a 10" display (at least if I have to wait for it), and as long as wifi works I should be fine. Not that enthusiastic about the price hike either. So I reckon the TF201 should hold me over until windows 8.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kunddizzle:
any release date on the Asus 7" tablet?

2 x Asus 7" Tegra 3 > 1 x Asus 10" Tegra 3

How the h.. can they make it 249$ with almost the same hardware.. aluminum and 3" more cant be 249$ alone?

I hate my brain atm..
[Asus Transformer TF700] the_game_master:
I'm surprised no one is waiting for the 1080p 3-D LED 240hz 10-inch tablet. :rolleyes:

this marketing is a joke.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Watch this clip provided by Asus (from their facebook)

http://techinstyle.tv/uncategorized/asus-memo-370t-sneak-peek/

it's basically mini version of TF201 with non-aluminium back & all the ports that comes with TF201 (except the keyboard accessory).
[Asus Transformer TF700] NoTrix:
Here's a simple way to look at it. The 10.1 inch screen is 33% larger than the 7 inch. That is the almost the same difference between a 42 inch LED TV screen and a 55 inch LED screen. It is also the difference between a 32 inch LED TV and a 42 inch LED TV. Look at the price difference between those sets, and why would people spend quite a bit more for a 55 inch over a 42 inch? Size, of course...;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] kunddizzle:
I see your point :) But still.. Smaller form factor could be the better thing for tablets, not saying in every case.. Most people wants bigger TV screens in general...

What worries me the most is, if the Original Prime will get a price reduction within the next weeks...

I dont think TF700 will be 599, more likely 499 in 3-4 months or so, and then the TF201 will be 399... just a guess
[Asus Transformer TF700] ToneyEricsson:
Pocket-lint are saying the newer Prime won't be showing in the UK that seems a bit strange.
[Asus Transformer TF700] NoTrix:
Price reduction???? The device just launched! The upscale device was just "shown" at CES, not released. Heck, the TF101 price reduction hasn't happened! My guess is that we won't see the TF700 until June, if we are lucky. That's 6 months from now, which is about the life cycle/update for Android Tablets. By that time I will be ready to sell my TF201 and get something else. Either the TF700, Samsung 11.6 tab, or the latest and greatest at the time....
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Why shouldn't there be a price reduction when the tablet just came out and a new one is already in the works. By the time the new one is out, other tegra3 will be out also...and I guarantee that the price won't stick. Too much competition by then. You'll see.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Danny-B-:
And how much have they reduced the price of the TF101 ??????

its still £399 after a a reduction on eBuyer.com ... i dont think its been reduced at all.