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[Asus Transformer TF700] UmbraeSoulsbane:
Yep poor fools that actually got a quad core Tegra chip instead of a slower dual core non-tegra chip for the same price. Guess if you like GPS that bad its worth the trade-off.

Get a higher resolution display at half the frame-rate! Sign up today! :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] oasis9389:
i don't see anywhere where they say they are releasing something better. t202 sounds better? dual core non tegra?
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
http://www.intomobile.com/2012/01/0...tf700t-main-feature-1920-x-1200-pixel-screen/
[Asus Transformer TF700] kristovaher:
Higher clocked dual core is better for Android than quad core for everything, except some games. If they also upgrade RAM to 2GB I'll ditch TF201 very quickly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Itaintrite:
Your hyperbole is dumb. Would you rather have a Ferrari that can blow up in your face or a Toyota that doesn't? Not the same? Ok, how about a tablet that crashes constantly or a slower tablet that works well and is perfectly capable?
[Asus Transformer TF700] r3loaded2010:
This couldn't have been better timed for me - I was literally ready to buy one in the next week or two! I can personally wait for summer to buy the TF700T (I'll think of it as a little post-exams treat for myself!). :p
[Asus Transformer TF700] JoeyLe:
Do you really think they care about you spamming their Facebook/Twitter (again)? I think you would make a better statement just sent you unit back and not buying the new one..?
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDDxMusFK9E

TF700 hands on video.

EDIT: If only the guy actually used the tablet instead of showing it off. Though I'm sure it won't have performance issues; I'm sure most other manufacturers will come out with Tegra 3 devices with similar resolutions as well. Battery life might take a hit, but the TF201 could go to 16 hours with the dock, and 10 hours without.

With the dock, if this can hit 14 to 15 hours, it's still enough for me to want it. I have a serious decision to make now: stick with my TF201 pre-order, or wait a few months for a 1080p display and better wireless performance.

And I do like the look of the back on the TF700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ChristoA1:
Experience is a crazy concept. The spamming seemed to work *really* well for getting a response out of them *quickly* on the bootloader thing.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Well in reality that's pretty well the same as an exchange for asus.

It's hard to say what they will do. They should allow people to return the prime due to the GPS now. And if they do indeed do that, then as mentioned returning for a refund then eventually buying the new version is essentially the same as an exchange program. So would it be out of the question for them to allow you to keep your prime until the new prime is released and then exchange it?

I kind of doubt they will do that (just a feelign), but really its no different for them to do a exchange program as opposed to allowing you to return your prime now because of the GPS issue, and then buying the new prime when it comes out.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Semantics:
What is their FB page? I found like 10 different Asus pages and don't see any complaints.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
OK, answer this for me then. We all still have Asus manufacturer warranty for the Prime. This new product will be out well before that runs out. How will Asus address the issue once everybody(regardless if issues or not) start sending tablets back to them saying BT/GPS/WiFi issue? how will they fix It? how will they use their man hours to come up with a different solution from the one that's already offered in the new version of Prime? that's what I want to know. because under manufacturer warranty, They WILL have to fix the problems we say one way or another or just send us back the new version. I think we might have the upper hand on this more than you might believe.:cool:
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
Actually an exchange is even better for ASUS (if they are doing anything of these options)

Because the customer is then using

again

one of their devices.

The customer can't buy another 600$ tablet then.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
Unless the packaging reflects the GPS issue in a physical store you cannot simply put a purchase before date on it. Most people don't go out to twitter to look for PSA's on a product before buying it. If you happen to find one in the store and the box has GPS spec on it then you are justified in your complaint. A customer does not have to research a product on the internet before buying it.

However, I don't think they will do anything outside normal warranty/refund time since legally they don't have to. People talk big about boycotts or whatever but these forums are a small minority and the amount of people truly affect by the lack of GPS in a tablet while using it in a moving vehicle is microscopic.
[Asus Transformer TF700] doeboy711:
Did you click on the "everyone post" at the top right corner? If not your just seeing what Asus posts.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Well, it makes a little more sense before they announced the new product. I was thinking that some people might not want to return it just because of the GPS problem alone, now with the expectation of returning for a newer model....people will jump at the chance even though they never cared about the GPS in the first place.
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
At 0:46... and THERE is your answer to the GPS issues. HEY ASUS, how about offering current owners a new back panel with a non-aluminum top instead of playing dumb and removing GPS from the spec! :eek:
[Asus Transformer TF700] xxgmon3yxx:
http://www.facebook.com/ASUS hit them up!
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
They also probably have 10 monkeys plucking bad reviews off facebook page.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xAnimal5:
Thank you for quoting me out of text.

Btw, have fun with your laggy transitions and bad gaming performance on your Qualcomm **** chip- powered tab.

Speculating kids like you who bad mouth the Prime even though you don't even own one make me mad. Go speculate somewhere else.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
Pretty sure it will have a Tegra 3 chip in it. But, I also believe performance will not be as good. Most people will not notice it though unless you sidegrade from the regular Prime or run benchmarks. Playing games will probably be way smoother on the regular prime as well.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kodess:
yeah thats the one thing Im not sure about.... how good is the TF700T with video? Games will of course be worse than the prime, but full hd MKV's?
[Asus Transformer TF700] BiGMERF:
this is exactly why they get away with pulling garbage like this. The " I cant make a difference customer "
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
And another thing... If they already have this ready for "hands-on" reviews with that as the fix, doesn't it mean they KNEW there was a GPS issue with the TF201?!
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
+1 to another wise GS2 owner -- now if only we could get the GN snobs to stop gloating and calling our GS2 preference "post-purchase rationalization"
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Well I was assuming any hypothetical exchange would include a $100 charge. Personally not sure if such a thing were offered if I would go with it. That would bring my tablet/dock combo up to ~$800 which is pretty dang expensive. And the 100 bucks for me would be just for the higher res screen. since I don't care about gps. Plus I am not reallyu sold on the need or even how big a benefit a 1080p screen would be,

Also I guess we will see what the dark version will look like to match the dark dock (I assume they would release one like that), but the version they have pictures of looks really ugly to me (and extra ugly with my dark dock that should be in soon)
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
I'm also concerned about the dimensions of this thing. If it's thicker than the TF201, then how well will it fit into the TF201 dock? Is the thickness negligent, or will the dock scratch up the tablet?

Or even worse, are they going to introduce a new dock? Even though reports say it fits into the same dock, it's something to consider.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
The prime can push 1080p to a tv smoothly so it shouldn't be a problem.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
They won't. They'll all be returned "working as designed." Wi-Fi works and none of their specs provide any details on how well it should work. Their spec also doesn't say BT and Wi-FI work simultaneously so no one can say they were misled. GPS doesn't, they've acknowledged it, so there's nothing to fix there. People who purchased before the GPS spec was pulled are the only ones with a beef.

It's all going to come down to how far they're willing to go to maintain goodwill.
[Asus Transformer TF700] farplaner:
It looks like only the top of the tablet has changed form, so I'm sure it will continue to fit the existing TFP dock.
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
Right, with the top 1-2 cm NOT being aluminum. BAM! Instant wifi and gps fix. They SHOULD offer this new back cover to current TF201 owners!
[Asus Transformer TF700] unknown_owner:
Engadet has pics

http://tinyurl.com/837d3ek

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
not sure. Some pics from engadget it kind of looks like the side is not quite as angled to start with.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sectachrome:
Its messed up that they are already introducing a new model, which essentially just has improvements that the Prime should have had anyway. The Prime is out, but lets be honest, its not really out until you can walk into a store and buy one. The fact that these new guys exist already proves theyve known for a while that they botched the design on the Prime. Ive been very happy with my Prime, but I might consider trading it in +$100 for this. I wont return it and be without it until this comes out in 4 months or whatever though, Im too attached already.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Do we know for sure the new cover's metal? There's no complex elements to it so there's no reason it couldn't be textured plastic. The black strip could just be for design effect. Metal costs more than plastic to produce so if they've taken the flash away why wouldn't they chuck aluminum all together?
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
It does look like they replaced the top with a plastic strip, but, unless I've misread something, nobody's confirmed that the bottom of it is still aluminum, minus the shiny, spun-metal look.

Again, can't wait for more information. I'll probably end up going for this over the TF201 once there's more information on it. If 2011 was the year of Tegra 2, then 2012 is likewise for Tegra 3. Considering that the tablet market is moving into full HD displays, it's only natural that we'll see more 1920x1200 devices with Tegra 3.

Since what sets ASUS apart from the competition is the keyboard dock (and how well it worked with the matching tablet), something I always appreciated on my TF101, then it's only natural that I'll be gravitated towards the TF700 over other tablets.
[Asus Transformer TF700] poofyhairguy:
I call the combination of my SGS2 and my Prime a "Low PPI Plateau." :D

Let others deal with the growing pains of retina displays on Android devices. By the time the Market is ready and SoCs are ready it will be time for me to replace both devices....
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
This is the interesting thing. Designing and building a new tablet cannot be something they whipped up once they announced the GPS problem like a week or two ago. If the design changes were deliberate then they knew of the problem quite a long time ago.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
Asus very astutely made this announcement because it not only diverts attention but also puts them in the running against two competitors, Acer and Lenovo.

Acer Iconia Tab A700

Specs:

1.3GHz NVIDIA Tegra3 quad-core processor

1 GB RAM

10.1" 1920x1200 (1080p) IPS display

Ports: HDMI, MicroUSB, and Micro SD

Ships with Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)

Lenovo IdeaTab K2

Specs:

1.3GHz NVIDIA Tegra 3 quad-core processor.

1920x1200 (1080p) IPS Display.

Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich.

8 MP rear camera.

4-Speaker SRS Sound.

WiFi And 3G Connectivity

We'll definitely see more joining the bandwagon, it's too early to make a decision.
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
Looks like they fixed the known issues with the 201 and had the ability to add a better display. Really sounds like they learned from their mistakes on our dime and are already out for more of our cold hard cash. They seem to have no problem with any of this.

I can understand life goes on and technology moves forward yada yada.. But this is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I think current owners, purchasers have a right to feel burned in this particular situation.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
If you have a closer look at all the images floating around here, you can easily see, that the whole back is new. It's not just a cut out back.

Even the placement of the buttons and slots is different. That means they got also a new PCB.

And notice how the back is not out of one piece as opposed to the Prime's one.

THe Prime has two pieces, the actual metal part and the border with the holes for buttons and slots, which is out of plastic.

The new back doesn't have this plastic border anymore, it's one piece of whatever. (apart from the antenna window ofc)
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
Or that too -- even better. This is unbelievable. I'll wait for ICS, but if TF201 owners don't get a new back panel I will likely be calling Newegg to return this thing.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kokusho:
I hate the situation. The Prime is coming out in a week or two in Europe, and I'm very impatient.

I'm pretty sure i'll buy the Prime TF201 because the TF700 will come way latter in Europe but I can't help felling bad about this purchase.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
New egg policy is to exchange if you have a defect. They won't take it back.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jotka2:
It won't happen automatically. It costs money.

We have to force them to do the exchange of the backplate.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
That, and the fact Asus Taiwan announced new tablets would have "non-all-metal" backs as a GPS solution certainly points to your conclusion. Asus Taiwan also said "indefinite returns" which, in light of the TF700 announcement, is interesting. I read that to mean (at least in Taiwan) that within a year a Prime owner could return his TF200 and get a TF700.

Truthfully, I've never seen anything like this before. When you have a product that's in the first stages of its roll-out with defects and then announce a successor without defects a month later. Strange.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tbns:
I understand that technology quickly moves forward, but I can't help but feel bad about my prime purchase. Still within my return window....
[Asus Transformer TF700] nunyabiz:
I bet it will have defects. After seeing my sons OG Transformer, I figured they had all the bugs fixed in the prime, so I dont have much confidence the A700 will be bug free.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jzen:
well now.... aint that a bish?

i will keep my prime, it works good enough but i wont be buying anything else from asus in the future.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
True but the A700 is practically the exact same as the prime hardware wise it seems, and I don't think the screen or new camera is something that would be a big problem.
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
It DOES have a defect. I bought before Asus decided to drop GPS from the spec.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Agreed. In those terms the Lenovo and Acer will have defects too. I meant the wireless issues caused by the metal cover more specifically.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
It seems asus is digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole. They could have announce a refund for existing people not happy with GPS. Now even the people were originally happy and didn't care about GPS are voicing out that the feel stupid. Now you got a bunch more people not happy with your actions Asus. With them admitting that the new model was to fix the Prime issue, means that they knew about the problem even before shipping out the prime. This is the nail in the coffin. A class action seems inevitable if asus do not rectify this immediately.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
It's less a matter of bug-free, and more a matter of defect-free in terms of design. You're getting a higher resolution display and a casing that doesn't interfere with the device's wireless capabilities, something that was a design flaw of the original.
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
Not enough people would return the TF201 for asus to care imho.

Doesn't change the fact that it stings though. Can't help but think some people sat around in a conference room when this came up and were like.. Oh well..
[Asus Transformer TF700] tyvar1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xDDxMusFK9E
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>Do we know for sure the new cover's metal?

Dang, you really wanted that plastic back, don't you?

See the teardown pic below? See all the crap that's attached to the back shell? If the back is remade to plastic, it would have to be MUCH thicker to have the structural strength to support all that weight. Ergo, it wouldn't fit in the dock. It wouldn't be just a thin snap-on/off shell. Read the specs: the thickness is the same. Ergo: metal shell.

>That means they got also a new PCB.

Yeah, sure, dude. Ever heard of KISS?
[Asus Transformer TF700] kokusho:
Alright What is this long trap with a little hole on the side ? This seems like a SIM card slot.

Does the TF700T will be 3G compatible ? It would make sense, they announced a 3G version of the Prime, but obviously they won't make another version of the "flawed" TF201, expecially giving the poor wireless performance of it.

So what can they do? Release yet another version of the Transformer ? (TF700G ?)

My guess is the TF700T will be 3G compatible (it will justify the aditionnal 100$).
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Someone a couple of posts back already assumed there's a new PCB because of the changes in button placement.

And, at this point, after going to all the expense of releasing a re-designed product to theoretically correct earlier design choices cheaping out wouldn't seem like the best option. No one can speak in absolutes at this point as there's little logic behind the TF700's specs or timing.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hairdewx:
They probably had some estimates on how TF201 sales/returns would be negatively affected and determined that it wouldn't be enough to prevent this type of announcement.

I'm considering canceling my order, but after all the initial emotions subside, I have to ask myself - Do I actually care about a higher resolution and is it worth it to me to wait 6 months and pay $100 more?

(I am not going to regularly use GPS on a tablet, maybe for a fun app every now and then.)
[Asus Transformer TF700] biggem001:
now i want to return my device.

no worth in developing for it now.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hairdewx:
Hah I just noticed that negative posts on the ASUS Facebook page are mysteriously disappearing...
[Asus Transformer TF700] kodess:
They dont use KISS. All hardware in mobile devices is made to fit in to a tight package. If they have to place things differently to get it thinner, they will.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tbns:
This is what I'm worried about :(.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
That would be the world's largest SIM slot. There's got to be more back there than just that.

This was their approach in the TF1...
[Asus Transformer TF700] biggem001:
the device is gonna have a low user base, developing for few people isn't worth it. i dont care about money or anything, but its great to know im helping hundreds or thousands, or tens of thousands, rather an ammount i can count with my fingers and toes
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
Lol, don't make yourself look stupid :)

If you change the placements of buttons, slots and connectors you definitely need to redesign some boards...

And if you want to "swap" the old with the new back, you'll need those new boards too...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Nunezshow:
they put the 7 in the model number because of ACERs new 700 series tab, this Asus TF700T is just their way of competing with ACER. I would personally never buy ACER but ASUS has me pretty disappointed with the defects in the tf201, Im debating on canceling my order or just dealing with it to see if its still worth the $500.
[Asus Transformer TF700] seven2099:
dude dont be an idiot give that thing back before it ruins both your lives

on a more serious note:

RETURN THAT NOW, its an astronomical failure from a design standpoint and the way Asus has treated its customers is an even bigger failure
[Asus Transformer TF700] NoTrix:
Nevermind, BEATEN TO THE PUNCH!
[Asus Transformer TF700] kristovaher:
Hey guys, you know what I find amusing? I don't even have my TF201 yet and already it is not the best thing out there. Not even for a moment!
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
Well until you can buy any of those tablets it

is

the best thing "out there"
[Asus Transformer TF700] tyvar1:
but things developed for TF700T will work for TF201 to right!?
[Asus Transformer TF700] italia0101:
Developing will be the same surely it's the same hardware inside basically...
[Asus Transformer TF700] Sokonomi:
Despite subpar wifi and no GPS I was reasonably happy with my purchase.

Now I just feel like Ive been suckered with a dodgy prototype for their 700 model.

Thanks Asus, I know where to shop for my next tablet.. somewhere else!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
If future tablet releases are how you judge this then no tablet will ever be the best out there. It is currently the best tablet out there atm in my opinion and the fact that there are future devices coming out that will be better doesn't really change that.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kristovaher:
Incorrect. iPad 2 has been the best tablet since it was released. Prime is the first tablet to truly challenge iPad 2, but the non-existent GPS, no 3G and very weak WiFi make it weaker, even if it has a processor that is better at some benchmarks (yet weaker in others) compared to iPad 2.
[Asus Transformer TF700] italia0101:
I got mine and I still really like it. Haven't had any issues with wifi and I have never used the GPS anyway...
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
How's that salt in your eyes! :) I think we (current TF201 owners) would feel a lot better if we were offered a new back panel to fix the GPS/wifi issues. Just sayin'.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nyijedi:
Yup. This is exactly how I feel. I'm done with Asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You raise an interesting question. Does Asus...

1) Continue to sell the TF200 as if nothing's happened?

2) Race the TF700 to market to try and beat Acer and Lenovo?

3) Discontinue the TF200 once the TF700 is announced?

4) Sell the TF200 along side the TF700 and then discontinue it a couple of months later so it doesn't look like the TF200 was a mistake?

5) Didn't they expect announcing the TF700 in the middle of the TF200's roll-out would create chaos and impact TF200 sales until the TF700 is released?

6) Did they think TF200 owners with wireless issues wouldn't be pissed that the TF700's design acknowledges and eliminates them?

This whole thing is baffling from start to finish.