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[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Ever since August of last year, I followed the hype of Prime. I really wanted to like Prime once I got a hold of one, but after the GPS & backplate fiasco... I was extremely disappointed and flustered.

Now, the spec on TF700 is interesting. 1080p display is certainly something to crave but had the Prime released without any issues, I would have gladly kept the device. I even thought about re-purchasing Prime TF201 with Bluetooth GPS receiver.. but in the end, I just cannot fathom to hold on to a device that is more or less "defective".

TF700 is supposedly due in Q2 of 2012. That's in line with Acer, Lenovo, and possibly iPad 3 and Samsung's 11.1 in tablet. As much as i like Asus (for their motherboards).. am I willing to wait another 3 to 6 month (Q2 is april, may, june) for display upgrade & possibly.. another botched launch by Asus to pay $600?? If Acer keeps their quad-core tablet at $500 price range (possibly the 16 gig option) or Samsung does release their tablet in Q2 (hopefully in April or May.. can't remember major harware being released in June).. I think it might be a wise choice to either pick one from Acer or Samsung.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Pretty subjective which is why I put in my opinion in there. But personally the fact that its ios automatically puts it lower for me despite its other positives.

3g would be a colossal waste of money for me. GPS would never be used by me. My wifi is very marginally worse to an ipad1 that I tested it against (which apparently has better wifi than the ipad 2).
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Even if you don't care about the GPS and let asus get away with this. What kind message would that be to Asus. It means that people don't care enough to complain and that they can continue to pull the same stunts in the future. I may not get my refund or get a good one in return, but I'll continue to fight the good fight. :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
4, 5 or 6. Seeing their reactions it's most likely 5 or 6 :D
[Asus Transformer TF700] Sokonomi:
Asus offering a similar backplate for tf202 owners would completely restore my faith in asus being a worthy tablet company.

And im quite sure that others would feel the same way if they were offered a new backplate.

YOU READING THIS ASUS? BE A HERO!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Get'em Norma Rae! ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
I totally agree but never gonna happen lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] grumblers:
THIS!!!!!!
[Asus Transformer TF700] nyijedi:
I completely agree. I'm pretty close to never purchasing another Asus product ever. Something like this would change my perception of them (which is currently that they're a bumbling company who doesn't give a crap about their customers).
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Are the Gamestops near your area not providing a full refund? I was able to get mine after constantly badgering multiple Gamestop stores (including non-tablet).
[Asus Transformer TF700] tyvar1:
I really hope so :(
[Asus Transformer TF700] Underwater Mike:
Asus has done that since the preorder problems with the TF101 last spring. Their management philosophy is all about positive appearances, not actual customer satisfaction. And I say this having spent a couple thousand dollars on Asus devices and parts over the last decade.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
I am in this boat as I received my Prime 12/22. Preordered well before that also. So my Prime was recieved well before they pulled the spec and I have reciept to prove date of purchasen preorder. I was one of the early birds
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Curious but is everyone that's quite upset about the announcement expect asus to not compete with the 1080p tablet market until later if the 201 had a perfectly working gps?
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
Then they should have held off on the TF201 imho
[Asus Transformer TF700] Lock-N-Load:
There is likely more to that back plate than just the "back plate". For example, I would suspect other internal connections likely changed or how maybe antennas connect and/or are positioned BEHIND that back plate also changed.

So as much as a new back plate could help or even "fix" things, I could never ever see them offering this as an option. I just think the infrastructure to take a ton of tablets back, remove their backs, put on new backs, test them, send them back is so unlikely for a company that could not even keep up with the demand for a fully build product.

I bet they are just going to wait out the firestorm and let it blow over and essentially give us the bird.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Not only has this tarnished their image with consumers, their peers in the industry are probably convinced their CEO's on crack. The first "OMG! what could Asus be thinking" was the 100% metal back on a mobile device with not one but three wireless signals. The second "OMG!" was the clandestine pulling of the GPS spec and mia culpa ten days after launch with different (or no) messages in different regions. The final "OMG!" is announcing a newer better product less than four weeks after the first flawed one is launched. Again, baffling.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Absolutely. Google should rip the android name off their sleeves even.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Well personally I am happy they didn't because my prime has been a pleasure to use so far as my first tablet.

While it seems pretty crazy to announce something so soon and release fairly soon after the 201, it would be even more crazy for them to hold off on the 201 for 6 months of sales to wait for a 1080p screen that will make their product even more expensive.

It was a good time to release the 201, they got to be the first out with quad core, first of the "second gen" android tablets, first to say they will get ICS. It makes sense they released it when they did
[Asus Transformer TF700] JoeyLe:
I'm kinda wondering..

The new tablet, is that only a 3G version? Or will there be a 32GB, 64GB, 32GB 3G and 64GB 3G?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Lock-N-Load:
Releasing new products is 1 thing... announcing new predecessors to products literally out 2-3 weeks and that you could not fulfill demand on is woefully different.

This is not a case of a new upgraded option coming out 4-6 months later. This is Asus not even fulfilling pre orders on the current model that is just now coming out and at the same time, announcing a replacement model for it while it is still filling retail stock.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tyvar1:
I just pre-ordered the Asus Transformer Pime TF201. and it comes out 23 january here in sweden, and i wonder if it is any idea to w8 for TF700T. if i w8 for the new Prime then i maby need to w8 until the summer :S
[Asus Transformer TF700] domain90:
So i guess with the announcement of the TP700 It's very hard for Asus to come out with a fix for TF201....
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
To make a quick buck and stay relevant at a few consumers expense sure :) smart business move!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Now that X-Mas is over, $499+ Android tablets will be sitting on the shelves like they always have. We're all geeks but probably make up 10-15% of tablet purchasers. To the average consumer, ICS will be a bigger reason to look at Android vs. iOS than a quad-core chip or shiny aluminum back cover. To think differently would mean the only reason Android tablets haven't sold better is because Joe Public thought it wasn't fast enough. Look how many KF's Amazon has sold and that device is a slug and actually a step backward h/w wise.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Is it not? Stock problems not withstanding, this a700 doesn't seem to be released earlier then 4-6 months after the primes release.

The announcement time obviously seems crappy, but this is the biggest technology show of the year so announcing now to make sure their hd counterpart is known for competitive reasons against all the other hd tablets coming out makes sense.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
This actually made me think of something. Looking at the tear down, the Prime's obviously a complex device to manufacture. Depending on what the QC tolerances are, they might be having production issues. For example, going through 15 to get 10 shippable units. And please, no one say "but they'd have known that." They also should have known about the GPS issue way before we did. If that's the case, the rapid introduction of the TF700 may be based on economics more than anything else. It's a WAG but something to think about.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
At whose expense? All of us who are able to enjoy a solid 500 dollar tablet already? The GPS issue sucks, but for people where this is a big deal they were able to return it when this was found out for a full refund (well haven't heard of anyone returning their prime as defective for gps and having it rejected), or if they didn't already have it when this was figured out they could decide not to buy it with this in mind.

I still don't see how not releasing the 201 and instead just releasing the a700 would be good for anyone (more expensive, longer wait), or waiting to release the a700 would be good either just to make some prime owners feel better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
No offense, but after this annoucement, I think the fanboy ship has sailed.
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qb0vquRcys&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Asus Transformer TF700] jrsalda:
thank you lord, thank you Asus, thank you best buy, my prime preorders got screwed twice($650 each) so it was never shipped(grey and champagne primes were backordered twice) Now I can sit and wait for the TF700T or the Ipad3(or both) without remorse.
[Asus Transformer TF700] biggem001:
DOOOOOOD

perfect commerical
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
That, without question, is the most perfect comparison to the TF200 vs. TF700 that could possibly exist. This ranks as one of the best posts (I've seen) of all time. :):):)
[Asus Transformer TF700] markimar:
I think all of us early adopters should get a new TF700 for a $50.00 fee with a prime trade in. Just doesnt seem fair that they fix with wifi performance and GPS performance and leave us sitting in the dust. :(

Hell i'd be happy if they would just put the new backing on our existing primes arghhh
[Asus Transformer TF700] biggem001:
agreed

10char
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
Sounds fair to me.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lion2:
The don't have to make the entire back plastic. Just the area that has the GPS on it. They might not even have to add any plastic, they could also make poke little holes (like the speaker grill) to allow radio signals in.
[Asus Transformer TF700] CrunchyDoodle:
It's interesting that no other manufacturer is claiming they can even make a 1920x1200 10.1" IPS display capable of 600 nits. Quite an accomplishment. I wonder how much trouble the Tegra 3 will have pushing that many pixels. Has anyone seen if Apple will be using such a screen on the iPad 3?

Given what the semi-official announcements say and the reality of how these things generally go, it's more likely we'll see this 700 series Transformer in a year from now.

As I plan on doing with my current TF101 Transformer when my pre-ordered TF201 arrives is to post its sale on eBay and enjoy the new one until the next one arrives. It's one of the luxuries I enjoy with my toys. :)

Bye. :cool:
[Asus Transformer TF700] kodess:
theverge said that it was pretty much made of plastic.

You dont say that when only the top strip is of plastic.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
They're showing what appears to be a near-production ready device with detailed specs at the largest consumer electronics show in the world. They're also letting reporters play with them which means it's not a chewing gum and string prototype. The Acer tablet with near identical specs and functionality is reportedly due out in March so it's not some huge technical mountain that Asus has to overcome. And they'd be insane to announce a device that's a year away when you consider the effect it will have on TF200 sales as evidenced by this very thread.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lancer3397:
if the article remains true, that the TF700 uses the same dock, then I see a nice dinky upgrade path for me.

I'll get the prime, because I want a tablet now. not in 6 or 9 months, now.

the prime is my choice, it has the dock which is the key buying feature for me.

aside from the cosmetic change with the back of the TF700 (an obvious solution to the wi-fi problems) the TF700 doesn't do anything extra that would make me pause and wait another good few months either. I don't have my media stored on my memory card at full hi-def because they are stupidly huge. I use a tablet as a media consumption device so I want lots of media on it.

as a future upgrade. possible, but nothing to stop me getting this in the meantime.

but yes, in agreement with other people. with the obvious design changes to the TF700, it means they knew fully blooming well about the issues the prime would have prior to it being released.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Lock-N-Load:
The worst part about this is they did it so quickly... they did not even wait 3-4-5 months they just cranked out a replacement tablet and hell, some still have one in transit and before it even gets to them they know a predecessor is in the wings.

And BTW, for those that will say it does not exist yet in retail so chill man, it matters little as once they announced it, it was/is out there as existing.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hairdewx:
I don't doubt the Tegra 3 can handle that size of a screen - it can output to 1080p TV's just fine. I just wonder how much of a visual difference it makes on a 10.1 inch screen.

Will it make me green with envy, or will it be only noticeable when placed side-by-side?

The only comparison I have seen in person is an iPhone 4 next to my Android phone, and while the iPhone 4 is clearer, it's not as big a difference as some make them out to be.
[Asus Transformer TF700] csmall:
I agree, they must have known in advance.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lancer3397:
oh and I stand and wait wondering if Asus will actually be able to make a 1920 10" display cost effective (although I don't doubt that Apple will manage) and also, what effect will such a high res have on the Tegra3 chipset? will it be smooth at such a hi-res?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Yue Fairchild:
Agreed. I'd love to think Asus would have a trade-in program, but somehow I feel like I know better.
[Asus Transformer TF700] morphiend:
i got my rma from amazon. I will give asus a few weeks to make it right but if they don't my prime is going back with a bad taste in my mouth and I will consider the alternatives. I just want a backplate fix for the wifi.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xzombiex66:
on a side not the new one looks terrible, looks like my Xoom. Lobve the design of my prime only wish the gps worked that my only major complaint.
[Asus Transformer TF700] maxcovergold:
genuine question:

Is 1900 x 1200 a bit overkill for a 10" tablet? Surely the current resolution is comfortable at that size?
[Asus Transformer TF700] kls629:
after i saw cnet annouce the T700, i was irked at how the said basically a new prime with everything fixed.

that is asus' way of knowing there are mistakes, fixing them, and selling a new one.

i believe asus should manufacturer a different back (like everyone has been saying) and replace everyone's old one. this would make everyone a little happier
[Asus Transformer TF700] wokka00:
Curious - even if the dock fits the form factor, will it match aesthetically? The back of the TF201 and the available pics for the TF700 appear to show fairly different materials and patterns (i.e., the TF201 has radial spun aluminum, the TF700 does not). Is it just going to end up being a fugly mismatch even if we do upgrade from the TF201 to TF700? It could just be a result of showing non-production materials. The relocated buttons and ports already suggest that certain TF201 accessories might block ports/buttons.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kodess:
They showed it with dock, no ports or buttons are blocked.

And it looked pretty decent, though the pictures werent that good.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
It's unfortunate that simply having a differing opinion on this would somehow justify throwing out fanboism as opposed to having a discussion on it.

The crux of my argument is that people are making this out as if an announcement effects their own personal value for this product. No announcement will change the fact that I have a tablet that works very well for what I want it to do. People are talking as if simply an announcement has the ability to turn their shiny prime that they have in their hands, ready to use, magically into a turd.

I posed the question earlier but what should asus have done? Not release the 201 to wait for a 1080p version? I wouldn't have wanted that. I am happy with my device that I can use right now for this semester of note taking (biggest reason I got a tablet). Not only that but the pricepoint they brought the 201 into wouldn't be possible with an 1080p screen.

So should they have waited to release their 1080p tablet to compete with the slew of other companies 1080p tablets to make original 201 owners happy? From the looks of this forum maybe they should have since there are clearly a lot of unhappy costumers about their decision, but to not compete in the early stages of the new 1080p market (which you have been mentioning is the big thing to come for tablets) would not be smart either.

Where is the downside as a consumer? I have yet to hear of someone not be able to return their prime because of gps when the gps problem was found (and possibly asus will allow continuing returns for gps issue?). So everyone who has their prime now has it with the full knowledge that GPS is not working fully, and if it was a big deal to you, you could have returned it for a full refund.

Now we have another option coming out. This is how this market works. How many different samsung phones have been released with similar but slightly better specs over the year? Is having small increases in hardware at short increments really that bad that its worth the uproar this has caused? You bought your prime with full knowledge (once the gps issue was outed) of what it was, and what it could do.
[Asus Transformer TF700] killermojo:
A new tablet with higher res, working gps, and better wifi + bluetooth for another $100? Yeah, I would have sprung for that had I known before going after the prime. Now it makes sense why ASUS was so quick to remove gps from the specs, that just makes this 'premium' tablet an easier sell.

What a kick in the nuts. Thanks ASUS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
You know, we need to be more precise than this if we're going to be accusing a company of subterfuge and/or other nefarious to-dos. There's NOT a "TF202," which would much more of a replacement for the TF201. There's a "TF700" coming out, which is an entirely different model completely.

As I posted in another thread, I think there was always going to be this higher-end version, and it was always going to come out later (because I don't think the screens are even available yet in quantity, if the rumors are true). I think they made a quick change to the TF700 because of the radios, and that what we're seeing at CES is pretty much a mockup.

Bottom line: I expect the TF700 to look very different from this by the time it's actually released. Could be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wokka00:
My bad. Mental fubar. Edited and fixed. Not making any accusations at all of any nefarious purpose. New models are a fact of life. It was noted earlier that the dock should still work, but I'm wondering about whether other accessories made by third parties (basically anything other than the dock or smart cover) will provide as clean an upgrade path. If a mockup, moot point.
[Asus Transformer TF700] morphiend:
the problem is tjat it doesn't work for the majority of us. gps doesn't work and wifi is limited. that is the issue.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
I have to agree. Everyone seems hell bent on accusing asus of bending them over because of this announcement, but I think its crazy to think that asus wasn't planning on competing in the 1080p tablet market that is emerging.
[Asus Transformer TF700] armyofbear136:
http://gizmodo.com/5874345/it-wouldnt-be-ces-without-some-a+wee+bit-better-tablets-o-hai-asus

Read the article and immediately packed up my prime. I've already got 2 dead pixels and I noticed the "fps display" burn into the screen after like 40 minutes of playing an emulator (WTF!? U SRS), and I have no intention of getting a replacement now that this news is out. The wi-fi works great when you first turn on the device but gets consistantly worse, any amount of stress on the wi-fi will kill it down faster. Once it gets bad I can't even stream videos over the network like usual. It's pretty embarassing to be showing off the device with these problems.

Battery life and performance are good though, so high expectations for the 1080prime with working wifi and gps
[Asus Transformer TF700] HuskerWebhead:
It's completely juvenile of me.....but I LOL'd
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
Yes. In fact, I'd like to see everyone separate the TF700's announcement from the GPS issues with the TF201. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with ASUS announcing a new, higher-end model. Why shouldn't they? The fact that it works with the current dock is just smart. That doesn't make it a direct replacement for the TF201.

The real problem isn't the TF700, it's that ASUS has so far not come up with a solution for people who bought (and are still buying) the TF201 with a limited GPS and no clear indication that it's built that way. Fixing the issue of an all-metal case on the TF700 makes sense, but just highlights the fact that there's an issue with the TF201.

Bottom line: ASUS needs to announce something to make things right for TF201 owners (those that are outside of their return policies and/or aren't aware of the problem because they don't haunt these forums or the ASUS Facebook page). That would make the TF700 a non-issue.
[Asus Transformer TF700] keitht:
Listing a new back plate design as one new "feature" of three for a new model just weeks after the previous one released should put a bad taste in your mouth. If it doesn't, you didn't buy a Prime or you work for Asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] David522d:
I feel like i bought bad weed.
[Asus Transformer TF700] DroidHam:
I was super excited to buy mine this morning from a guy on here, and now im sad =\

Sold my galaxy tab 10.1 today too
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Why? Because they have learned from past products? I have known for quite a while now what the effect of the back panel is on my prime and determined it's effect wasn't great enough to make me return my prime. Does this new product somehow change that? Should asus not fix prior mistakes in their future releases?

So long as I could return my prime for the problems it had (and I could have) then I have nothing to complain about for their future products.
[Asus Transformer TF700] killermojo:
They need to remedy the problems in their current products that people have already paid for! The fact that they are using current issues as a selling point for a future product is a slap in the face! If they were to commit to fixing the current Prime there wouldn't be a problem here because the spec difference really isn't that wide. It seems like ASUS is admitting the Prime is screwed up and using a new model to fix the problems.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HuskerWebhead:
Out of curiosity, has anybody actually tried contacting ASUS and asking any of these questions? Will there be a trade-in/up program for First Gen Prime owners? Will we be getting the full refund and/or 6 month extended warranty?

I mean, you can set here, pouting and fuming for days on end, or you can actually try and get some answers. I'm perfectly happy with my Prime as is. I've streamed Anime and movies for hours without any drop in my WiFi speeds. But....if there is a trade up plan to the new one I might still think about it.....new toys are new toys after all. :)