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[Asus Transformer TF700] monkey10120:
I do not know why companies want a 1080p tablet. Current processors are not built for that seed yet. 800 to 1200 pixels is a hell of a difference and decides if a game is choppy or smooth. This also means more power consumption from processing and also the screen. There is going to have to be more backlight to light up the new pixels.

I would wait to the tegra 4 (keplar i think its called) comes out, which is rumored end of this year. Going to have to watch the keynote tonight and see :-)

Until then a nothing over 1280x800 is needed. Also good luck apple trying to get ~2000x1600 in the ipad3 your going to need it big time.
[Asus Transformer TF700] JoeyLe:
OK. I've defended this company for a few weeks, but now I'm done: my Prime which has idiotic much backlight is going back and there won't come another Asus product in my house for a long time.

**** this company, hope the complety Prime is going to be a complete fail for them.
[Asus Transformer TF700] lion2:
I'm actually hoping that Asus is working on redesigning the aluminum plate to have a plastic patch where the GPS and Wifi reside or some sort of grill. New Primes would come with this update and Asus could offer current customers to have the aluminum plate replaced with the new design.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
I agree. its way to early. All of this was released to continue to fan the flames that seemed to be finally dying down. now this article releases and OG prime owners are not the happiest of campers about it. Especially the ones who really wanted to use Prime for GPS functions ex. Navigation.

I like how E.mote periodically releases newer articles to fuel the flames even more..lmao
[Asus Transformer TF700] wokka00:
Just saw the android police article pop up in my RSS feed, and giggled a little bit. Personally, I have zero WiFi issues, dislike that GPS is borked but don't rely on it anyway, don't use BT, and am perfectly content with the resolution I get. All that will happen is that the same Tegra3 is going to work a little harder to hit max resolution. Unless your eyeball is on the glass (figuratively), videos won't be significantly improved at a 10" form factor.

IMO, considering Wayne is slated to drop in 2012, the TF202 is only going to cause more buyers' remorse six months down the line.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Come on, I know you want to stick around for the inevitable two full pages of "launch date?" and "pre-order" and threads. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
Since this is all TERRIBLY speculative, I'll respond this way:

1. First, I doubt that ASUS has so far sold anywhere near 200K units, given the backorder situation. I'd say it's much closer to 20K, high-end 50K.

2. ASUS only has to offer the upgrade to people who bought their Primes BEFORE ASUS made the no-GPS marketing change. I think one could argue that this still hasn't happened, since retailers are still marketing it as with GPS and I'll bet the box I get today with my Gray unit inside is still marked with GPS. But, they should reach that point soon.

3. For those people, it's very easy to make the claim that a version that's been revised specifically to fix extant issues on the existing version is per se evidence of the Prime being not fit for the purpose it was sold for.

I agree that anyone who buys the Prime after ASUS has not marketed it as a GPS device should take it as it was sold to them. But I submit that offering the upgrade to those 20K-50K customers at a $100 premium would be much cheaper than a class action suit. Note that the upgrade offer would only be taken by some percentage of customers (many folks won't want to spend the extra $100), while a class action suit would end up covering EVERY customer whether they take advantage of it or not.

Much cheaper overall to offer the upgrade, I'd bet, not to mention the favorable impact on customer satisfaction.
[Asus Transformer TF700] gogol:
People are now complaining about the sucky GPS and weak WiFi.

When this new Prime released, people will complain about short battery life.

Yes I am talking about the new 1920x1200 screen.

That will suck battery life even more.

Without additional battery capacity, this tab will not have adequate battery life.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jyan_osu:
Engadget goes hands on and has some more info on it

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/asus-eee-pad-memo-me171-me370t-and-high-end-transformer-prime-t/
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>25WHr lithium-polymer battery (should have the same battery life as the TF201)

I'd be curious if this will be true. The Acer A700 reportedly has a much bigger batt (50% more).

>a plastic back to improve BT, WiFi, and GPS.

"Redesigned" to me means cut-outs. That would be the simpler route, and it keeps the Prime's iPad-sensibility. A plastic back would increase thickness and likely would not fit into the dock slot.

>It will be coming in Q2 of this year and will most likely face the same pre-order disaster

It's a revamped TF201 with most parts and processes still the same. Production should be smoother.

($100 + 4-5 months) vs (better wifi + GPS + fullHD)

Alternately, assuming use of 201 until 700 available: ($100 + depreciation loss) vs (better wifi + GPS + fullHD).

Say, you sell Prime in 5 months for $150 loss, then cost/month of use = $30. And upgrade = $250.

It's a min-max problem.

Edit: The continued "no GPS" in Engadget's blurb means to me that existing antenna design will stay the same, and ditto for the metal shell--albeit w/ cutouts.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You're speaking from an XDA vantage point. The Prime's becoming generally available now and should soon start appearing in stores. Joe public walking the aisles of Best Buy probably has no idea about the GPS issue or what an XDA is. When I guessed 200K I'm assuming total sold through March or April using Asus' own projection of selling 2MM tablets in 2012.

Totally different story. I agree that Asus should allow people that purchased before "X" to get a refund and/or pay the extra $100 to get a TF700. Other than the Acer Taiwan statement, no "official" statement's been made for the U.S.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wokka00:
That black strip on the top edge of the back panel in the last of Engadget's pics is interesting, enticing, and such a blatantly easy fix.
[Asus Transformer TF700] morphiend:
what the eff asus? I don't care about improved resolution. I just want a better backplate for better wifi. I'm not willing to buy a new prime to get it. if I have to return this and buy another company's tablet I will. make it right asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
That's it, I just cancelled my 64gb amethyst gray order, I'd rather wait and enjoy the 1900x1200 res of the TF700T. It will rock the boat alright, the gps fiasco sure changed my mind about the 1280x800 TF201 Prime. Now I have something to look forward to. ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] Itaintrite:
Ah, so my prediction became true. High-resolution is the future and very near future it seems with Asus. Q2 is April at the earliest and June the latest. That's a mere 3-5 months away. Hardly seems fair to early adopters of the "original" Prime. Good thing I have the AMEX return protection and will just get a refund and buy the new one when it comes out. Regarding the tech-chaser argument, I doubt Asus has any other higher-speced tablet in the works for now. Not much they can improve on as Tegra3 is undoubtedly the SoC of 2012.

I wouldn't suggest everybody returning their Prime to send a message to Asus as it's still a great tablet...
[Asus Transformer TF700] DarsVaeda:
Maybe Asus should try to get out a non-disfunctional tablet in adequate amounts before coming with the next gen :rolleyes:
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Okay, that redesigned backplate... just how unimaginative are they?

I'll be really interested in Acer's price for Iconia A700. Even at $550, it's more enticing...

But Nvidia's CEO once said Tegra 3 tablets could be as cheap as $300 by Q3 (or something to that degree) once. Wonder if the price will stick around...
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
I aree that would be a fair action on asus part. In addition, there must be a sticker on all primes indicating that there is no GPS on the unit, just in case people have researched their purchase beforehand and only now deciding to buy it. There would be no way of knowing unless there is a sticker specifically say there's no gps on it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
As far as the exchange program,it would only pertain to people who purchased prime before a certain date. the date they made announcemnet addressing the issue. which most original oreorders fall under. Or even exchanging it and having to pay $100 extra seems fair enough for upgraded components and specs.

As for your last sentence, lmfao, you sure bet I can. lol Especially if this is the new revised prime to address issues of first batch or whatever. Regardless of how much I like my Prime now, I'd do it in a heartbeat to upgrade my Prime at little to no cost, if possible. Especially if everything is made working better and higher resolution screen, bumped up specs. I'd Ride That Train All the Way ;) just because I can if option becomes available.

I do really like my Prime though. I've never been involved in so much rumours and controversy surrounding a tech device. its quite the adventure. If option to upgrade becomes available from little to no cost, then I'm on it. If not, then that's OK with me also. I still have till 22 on Gamestop warranty and 1 year Asus warranty. Like I said before, seems as we get closer n closer to ICS release, things have gotten more crazy by the day..lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] Andrmgic:
Will be tempted to return my un-opened prime to best buy when it arrives..

I'm not in a hurry for a new tablet.. and waiting for this thing will likely see the ipad 3 release in the meantime..

The higher resolution of this display makes it more attractive to me than the current prime..
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
With this statement (a rough translation to English) from Asus Taiwan it could be read either way. "Non-full-metal tablet" could mean a bunch of different things that won't be known for sure until pics are released.

The new 3G version of the next non-full-metal tablet, is expected to have a good GPS.
[Asus Transformer TF700] oasis9389:
why would you return it? thing is still going for a premium on EBAY. this tablet wont be out till june. then you know what? the nexus tab will be announced and rumoured for xmas, then you will wait, then what? CES next year.. REPEAT.

the prime is the top tablet now, in june all these tabs will be out, upgrade at your own risk.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
The competition could make it happen, not only will the quadcore dominate but the features will be counted and evaluated for their selling points. So hires, gps, bt, wifi, hdmi, sd, ICS, etc. will be on the shopping list. The more Tegra 3 tablets, the better for my pocket. 2012 will be the year of NVIDIA.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Is the back even metal any more? It's hard to tell in those pictures.
[Asus Transformer TF700] JoeyLe:
At least it lost all its shine. I mean, the old backplate was not very funtional but at least it was very nice to see, this one however is pretty ugly imo.
[Asus Transformer TF700] got_killed:
That new transformer seems to have the same dimensions as our og prime, i wonder if it would be possible for them to not exchange but simply replace with that metal backing?

Edit: I didn't read the dimensions but based of the pics lol
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Nooooooooo! lol. this is what the strollers want..lol. Dont Goooooo.

I feel ya though. seems like all this new news is just to piss off current prime owners even more.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
The thinner tablets will need a stiff backing so the metal back with an rf window is a good design unless a carbon composite can be made cheap enough to replace it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
not necessarily better, but different and more expensive

after processing this news i'm not convinced that TF201 purchasers have that much to be upset about. the two big changes asus is making with the TF700T are not clearly "better", they are design trade-offs:

1) the 1080p screen has twice the number of pixels as the TF201. this means that the GPU will have to push twice the pixels, and that's for every display update down to basic usage of the desktop. rendering HD games/movies will require a lot more GPU calculations to fill in all those dots and this will definitely draw more power. the TF201 has been praised as feeling "buttery smooth", but with the same CPU/GPU powering a 1080p display the framerates are going to be lower. and even if the tegra3 can manage to keep up at that resolution, this will definitely come at a cost to battery life. asus is claiming in this announcement that the battery life will be the same, but there are some basic laws of physics at work here so i would advise caution in believing that. then there are the other unknowns about the screen: color gamut, brightness, contrast. the current TF201 screen has been praised as the best screen to hit any tablet. i would want to see some in-depth reviews of screen quality before assuming that the overall impression is significantly better or even as good.

2) the redesigned back cover shown in engadget's photos will be liked or hated depending on your taste, but in my book it is an uglier design that makes the tablet look cheap. wifi performance will be better, but everyone should remember that reviews for the TF201 have declared the overall wifi performance of the TF201 to be on par with other tablets thanks to the dual antennae mitigating the aluminum interference. this backpanel improvement is mainly going to benefit the GPS, and i suspect many of us will prefer to use the GPS on our android phones instead for form-factor reasons.

so what's left? bumping the 1.3mp front camera to 2mp? the quality of the camera lens (which is tiny, and therefore crappy) and available upstream bandwidth are much bigger determinants of quality than whether the sensor picks up an additional 700k pixels. and all this for an additional $100 and 6 months of wait? thanks but this is not getting me excited.

personally i have a TF201 in the order pipeline which i could still cancel, but based on the above thoughts i am planning to stick with it.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
Looks like a Xoom now.... Pretty ugly...

The deisgn was one of my favorite points about the Prime, I knew that the metal backing would be some kind of drawback for Wifi etc, even before the first batches shipped.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ajamils:
Agreed. Prime looks like high-end device but this one just look like cheap POS Chinese tablet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
To me it's a message that says hold back, wait and see because we ain't seen nuthin' yet!
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
You know what's surprising. The TF700 looks awfully finished and is pretty well defined which means Asus has been working on it for a while, well before the Prime was actually released. It makes me wonder what Asus' intentions are/were for the Prime. Did they intend for it to be a stop gap product so they could claim "first quad-core?" Did they know early in production there was an issue and began working on a "Plan B?" Did they always intend for the TF200 and TF700 to co-exist with different features and prices? It's really a curious situation.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Lock-N-Load:
Sorry if dupe

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/09/asus-announces-new-transformer-prime/
[Asus Transformer TF700] nyijedi:
I feel like that plastic strip at the top is laughing at me and my weak WiFi. Friggin' Asus.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Well then sell it for me, cause I can't in good conscience sell soemthing that has a bad gps for same price and really don't know how to sell stuff on ebay.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
Samsung hasn't announced yet at CES. Since their new mission is to destroy Apple I really want to see the specs and timing of the 11.6.
[Asus Transformer TF700] e.mote:
>At least it lost all its shine.

It's a prototype w/o the brushed-metal finish. Should still be aluminum, else there wouldn't be a need for the separate plastic strip. Simpler to make a one-piece shell than two-piece (if it were plastic), and with better structural strength.

>That new transformer seems to have the same dimensions as our og prime, i wonder if it would be possible for them to not exchange but simply replace with that metal backing?

It would involve high labor costs for disassembly & reassembly, plus diagnostics. It's total different matter when these things are assembled in assembly-line style as versus doing it piecemeal.

>really don't know how to sell stuff on ebay.

If you haven't, don't start with this. Seller risk is high for returns, and eBay will have your shorts.
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
The UXGA (1900x1200) will play 1080p directly with no scaling so it will be awesome! The next standard is WQXGA (2560x1600) which is too dense for a tablet. The new Prime's res is ideal for hd apps.
[Asus Transformer TF700] JoeyLe:
I'm interested in it too. However I hope it will still be 10.1, would be kinda cool with that resolution. Probably they come with their own chipset, which most likely will be better then Tegra 3, so I'm not worried about it being laggy or something.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Not sure how long it would take to make this. It basically just seems like a kit for the original more then anything since the internals are almost exactly the same it seems (except upgraded camera's which can't be hard to add in). So if the internals are produced the same and they just need to design a different case and slap on a different screen (presumably doesn't require any redesigning for that?) then I could see this being designed pretty quickly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
If it was a prototype, Asus would say that to the media. We'll see if that's stated in other coverage. If it's not, you can assume that's what it'll look like.
[Asus Transformer TF700] markimar:
just wish they had put the same backing on the tf201. I dont really care about looks as much as functonality. Just kind of pisses me off that you'd have to fork out another $100.00 for a sharper screen and better backing. oh well time to start saving again.... :)
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
My guess is yea. But they also missed their projected released date with many delays. Had it been released at Nov., it would have been much less of a stop gap.

Now, I wonder how those who are waiting for win 8 tablets will react. If prime is a stop gap til win 8 tablets arrive (end of 2012), there's no reason for them to wait for Prime TF700.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
I don't think it would be hard for ASUS to whip up a demo/pre-production unit like this in a few weeks. The thing doesn't have to be anywhere near perfect, and who knows how the thing is holding it up--it might be creaking like a 90-year-old prostitute.

To put something together to show (without allowing extensive hands-on by the public), they could just cut off the top of the metal back and glue on some plastic. No worries about whether it could actually be mass-produced...
[Asus Transformer TF700] poofyhairguy:
The only way I have regret is if it has 2GB of ram.

Tegra 3 isn't enough of a SoC (GPU-wise) for 1080p, and I never use a GPS in a non-3G tablet.
[Asus Transformer TF700] howardfu:
Honestly I don't know why people are so mad about this coming new tablet....

If you want the best tablet, is willing to pay $100 more, and can wait for another 3~6 months, then return and buy the TF700 or iPad 3 or Lenovo or whatever....

To be frank, if you are willing to wait, why not wait for one more year? The tablet market is still fast evolving and it will not settled for at least one or two years.

On the other hand, if you want the best tablet NOW, Transformer prime is still your best choice.

I am enjoying my Prime, and for those who want to wait for a another better tablet, be happy there are better products coming. We can all be happy, right?
[Asus Transformer TF700] Itaintrite:
Wasn't 2011 already the year of Nvidia with the number of Tegra2 devices? And more competition doesn't really mean better prices if 2011 is any indication.

---------- Post added at 06:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

Please show me proof that Tegra3 isn't enough to run ICS in 1080p.
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It's funny how everyone makes such a big deal about the aesthetics of the back. We as users never see it and the majority of time it's in a case. For me, I want to be able to toss it around and not worry about it getting damaged when it's out of its case. While probably least attractive, my choice would be rubberized or soft touch plastic. And don't shoot me, but I like the minimilzed look of the TF700 - it's very clean.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jjsoviet:
Tegra 3 can handle 2560x1600 based on its tech demos.
[Asus Transformer TF700] jsjames:
Come on people, please cancel your Amazon pre-order. So I can get my TF201 faster :D

I wonder what this means to the current production of the TF201 model? As long as I get mine I guess.
[Asus Transformer TF700] UmbraeSoulsbane:
Well, I like my Prime TF201. If it was $100 more then I probably would not have gotten. The Full HD is nice, but not worth more money. The GPS also works well enough for my uses.

Fact is this is not unusual to face this 6 months reiteration in the technology field. Apple does it. Look at all the PS3/360 models. Things change fast. If you only settle for the latest and greatest most likely you will never make a purchase because the next hot thing is just a month away from being announced.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
Great post. I had ran out of thanks. you make some very valid points.

The latter 2 post quotes had me laughing hard. Especially the last one. plus from the looks of that pic, it looks thicker now. It does look kinda cheap though.

This thread has gianed traction fast. hard tl keep up. Everytime I respond, a new page or 2 pops up. SMH
[Asus Transformer TF700] tedr44:
I'm referring to the expansion of their market share, the quadcore has no competition so far and with the record pre-orders on the Prime I expect more announcements of Tegra 3 based tablets soon.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Wordlywisewiz:
It can handle it but that doesn't mean it will handle it well... And seeing as to how games like shadowgun already almost max out the GPU and CPU making that resolution will make the graphics look worse you have to understand its different than your tv all that is being streamed not rendered!
[Asus Transformer TF700] zeroburn:
Could you get anymore bitter, you got a raw deal with your Xoom and now you have to try and spread that bitterness to everyone else as you rage at Google, at Motorola, at your fellow android users and just about anybody you feel is to blame for your poor choices? You don't own a Prime so why not take your trolling elsewhere?
[Asus Transformer TF700] BarryH_GEG:
It's kind of like an AMG MB or M BMW. When it's on the autobahn (gaming) you can really feel the difference over a standard version. In the parking lot of Safeway (web browsing, video playback, UI speed) you can't tell the difference. So benchmarks may take a hit but the Teg3 is so much more powerful than anything that preceded it the performance in everyday use should still be equally impressive.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Diamondback:
Only because you don't care about the back of your tablet that doesn't mean everyone else doesn't care ;)

Btw I do care for the back of my car too :P Even if don't see it while driving ;)

I am pretty sure I haven't bought my Prime if it looked like the new one...

Same for the Acer A700, it just doesn't look nice...:(

Yep it looks indeed a bit thicker. But as the dock is still the same this can't be more than 1mm or so...