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[Eee Pad Transformer General] jrsalda:
Reproduction of regular videos from youtube on the tf101 are fine, I'm talking about matroska mkv and AVI videos(720p) here, those can be played fine on my nettop devices with single core atom and dual core atom with broadcom decoder cards, I paid for those nettops ($189 and $289 respectively).

in comparison the ipad 2 can play those videos(w/ Cinexplayer, XBMC and even the discontinued VLC for ipad 2)absolutely perfect, I can play my mkv and avi 720p movies on the ipad 2 without any drop frames, getting consistent 30fps without any sync issues as I have them randomly on my tf101 all the time(below 25fps and out of sync audio/video issues). I have tried the mx video player pro on the tf101, still doesn't work smoothly enough, getting there but have to constantly be switching audio/video modes, and most of the time have to select the fast mode on 720p playing which has a highly noticeable lower quality detail, and sometimes don't get any sound, have to switch to another audio codec to make it work. It's worth to mention mx video player pro application looks very promising.

Again, I guess tegra 2 is an underpowered SoC.

I'll explain just one single issue here: Just for the record, I encode my own videos, have several years of experience working with video editing at professional level, I take my blu-rays movies and tv series(blu-ray) and encode them using a state of the art video PC workstation, I use the x264 codec and utilize open source and proprietary libraries(H.264/MPEG-4 AVC) for the encoding. Result is a 100% perfectly encoded mkv and avi file in 720p resolution that can be played smoothly on my slowest nettop device w/single core atom CPU at 1.0 Ghz and of course on the Ipad 2 as well, I mentioned the word "of course" just because the ipad 2 is a dual core device running at 900 Mhz with a monster Dual GPU. My nettops have ubuntu linux for netbook and windows 7 starter operating systems.

I don't even want to mention the hdmi to TV output limitation(for videos) on tf101, it's completely laggy and simply slow and unplayable, I have 2 LCD tv's at home, 47" and 70" screen size at 60hz and 240hz respectively, my ipad 2 and my nettops can handle it thru hdmi at 720p and even at 1080p on both tv's. My Oc'd tf101 cannot handle properly my movies, any movie not even a 360p youtube video on my tv's. I found out, my tf101 can handle an acceptable output experience on my Asus 24" LCD monitor , as long as you don't play videos.

tf101 has serious issues for video reproduction, you can blame honeycomb or asus, I'm encourage to accept this fact as a current limitation on tegra 2 devices, will see how it does perform on ICS, not having hopes for it either. I'm starting to believe tegra 2 SoC is a poor chip for video reproduction. I'm not going to tolerate that, video reproduction is suppose to be perfect(like watching a regular bluray or dvd movie at home), no more no less.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
Well, guess I'm done here since you still haven't admitted that it may possibly be what you have running on your device or any number of other issues. Again, video's run fine on my device and I am able to game using MiniHDMI - HDMI on my 52" TV using an emulator. Lag would be extremely noticeable here and like I have said, I have seen.... none.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] thebadfrog:
High profile mkvs with ac3 encoding are not supported becuase there is no hardware acceleration for ac3 in a mkv container. You can use mx which will seperate the streams and play the audio with software acceleration but everything I have is choppy played that way. These same videos play fine on my Epic 4g Touch btw. This issue has been fixed with the newer Prime.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
i dont understand this video whinge at all.

i can play files just fine with MX video player, every vid file i have thrown at it it plays. To my mind if you have high level encoded audio/video you want that for a reason eh... you want the high quality to appreciate the high quality- why would you then want to watch that on a 10inch device? if you want to really appreciate that high quality you would want to watch it on something bigger than 10inchs surely.

the transformer is a portable video device not a 50inch HD TV, deal with it ffs! ( or endcode your vids at a slightly lower rate which is still perfectly watchable and stop moaning.)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerdog:
You know - the OP has done a good job of stating a clear and concise analysis of HIS thoughts and feelings about this device. You all are entitled to your own opinions. Depending on your needs/wants/desires means you'll have a similar/same/different result.

Why is it people on the internet get so butthurt when someone else posits a thought or review or analysis of something they either disagree with or are a fanboi for?

Shape up, converse nicely and we'll all be good here. Ignore that warning and you may be forced to be butthurt elsewhere.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
If he is allowed to post his thoughts on the matter why are we not allowed to post reasons to why it may not be true? Why would he post his thoughts at all then? No one here is butthurt we are just trying to state our opinions to some of the problems he is having.

Also, no one here is really getting out of hand, some people are disagreeing some people are agreeing, it's not like a war is going to start over video codecs and their ability to be played on a mobile device.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
indeed, no one is butthurt here ( i hope i am understanding this americanism correctly!) we are having a debate, no one is getting personal or insulting as far as i can see.

each to their own opinion ultimately.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerdog:
Evidently you are both missing the point here. Yes - you are entitled to your own opinions... I think I said that. And yes you can debate. But debate in such a way as to get your position out there and not in an effort to destroy the other person - respect is the key. This is a preemptive post given the general way things go on these types of posts.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
1. This I agree although I got mine used from B&H Photo it is basically new with nothing wrong.

2. I don't know why you lump "interface laggy" with "fragmentation". Those are two different issues and the so called "fragmentation" is not as bad as some websites want you to believe in.

3. Did you installed a video player that can play MKV files? Did you encode your video files with the format can be reproduced on Tegra 2 chips? I am amazed with your research ability that you can't even bother to google correct parameter to encode 720p video for Tegra 2 within your 2 months of usage.

4. So all you want to say is you want to pay more and get an ipad 2? Go ahead, good for u. I got mine for $300.

5. I don't what you mean by terrible web browsing. I use stock browser and nothing wrong with all websites I'm going. Blame the website for switching to mobile version instead of the browser. Setting user agent to desktop doesn't work in all cases.

6. If you need to root and OC to achieve your "general functionality", then please enlighten me what's your "general functionality."

7. Battery life is generally bad with Android devices. I thought you would've know with your pre-purchase research..oh wait.

TL;DR - Go buy an ipad 2.

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So we can't disagree against the OP? I failed to understand your logic here.

If my experience with the tf101 is drastically different from the OP. Is it wrong to share mine?

And more importantly, some of his "cons" can be solved with a few seconds of googling. Is it wrong to point that out?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jeepjeep2010:
apples zombies.... lol

so what we have here is the guys oponion i dont see why thi has turned into a apple vs android battle. Its his oponion not yours. If people prefer apple so what do you really want the apple zombies that will always be disapointed with anything. Im very happy with my transformer and have had no problems with the quality.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dburckh:
I guess I wouldn't go that far. I can't ever see getting an iPad. Love my dock and openness of Android. iOS feels like my kid's Leap Frog. The tablet is also a nice compliment to my phone (Galaxy S, rock solid).

Windows 8? Maybe in a couple of years. It's of course going Office for the corp. people, but after that it's going to be mighty thin. I am Jonesing for a WMC client on a tablet, but I'm a minority that way.

There is always something that can be improved and the grass is almost never greener. It kind of depends on what you want.

Anyway, ICS has to improve on the browsing issues or Android will die as an OS. Firefox is coming along nicely. Chrome is eminent. I really feel like Honeycomb was an early adopter OS and I'm hoping ICS is the real deal. My biggest concern is that ICS will hose up all the other stuff Asus has finally got working. Transformer=good, Honeycomb=needs improvement

I'm holding out for a Prime or even a TF700T (sounds like a terminator model number, doesn't it?) If the browser situation doesn't improve... I don't know.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
the web browser flash-pinch-zoom glitch thing is in every android device I've browsed on, not just the TF. It is because in order to control flash media you have to first tap the flash object and then you can interact with it on your next touch. After that touch however, if you didn't do everything you wanted, say you wanted to skip ahead and turn the volume up, you have to re-tap the object again to initialize interaction with it. It is annoying, but EVERY site I watch videos on REQUIRES Flash (until the html update that negates the need for flash objects perhaps), news programs, tutorial videos, shows that are on hulu but can't be viewed by our device so I watch them via tvduck, megavideo, videobb, sockshare, videoweed, novamov..they all use flash. So I couldn't do SHXT on an ipad personally, except be angry at missing all my favorite shows...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
i cant replicate this submenu and flash problem with the browser or any browser i use..

i am starting to think you have a faulty tablet- i watch flash video on sites and i can pause, stop, rewind etc no problem. i can also zoom in and out while watching flash video ( eg the bbc sports site) and have no problems at all. i use Dolphin HD with the user agent set as desktop and am yet to come across a site that renders the mobile version to me!

one of the main reasons i gave up with iOS a couple of years ago was that i couldnt access my favourite sites on safari- massive bug bear for me. MOD EDIT: THIS USER IS CURRENTLY AT THE DOCTOR GETTING HIS FILTER CHECKED OUT
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerdog:
I am going to assume that you missed my post above yours...

I am not saying you can't share your opinion - it's all in how it's shared. Read the Forum Rules. That pretty much covers it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Hearmeman:
used both ipad 2 and eee pad tf101

tf101 crash the hell out of the ipad 2
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jrsalda:
Agree, I keep my ipad 2 basically for mobile recording and piano performances where ipad 2 acts as a sound module(w/ sampletank and alesis iodock), I wish there were great exclusive products for the tf101/201 as alesis iodock, Apogee ONE, Yamaha i-MX1, fostex hp-p1, Akai EIE I/O, ion DOCS 2 GO as they have for the Ipad2.

However a low-latency Android audio-engine is in the works, it's been under development for more than 1 year.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tripsyk:
The transformer has everything that I would need. The keyboard dock is so invaluable. Expanded battery and functionality is amazing with it. My only gripe is that ASUS didn't ship it running a 1.2gHz processor, but they were limited by their time and rooting takes care of that.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] LeoBloom.:
Either this is an outright lie, or you simply have no idea what I am talking about. The issue with the mouse-over and submenus is an issue with the Android OS, not the tablet. I have the same problem on my Android phone, and I've seen it on many different Android devices when I've tried using their web browser. Let me show you a video to demonstrate.

(Videos are currently being converted by minus, so they are not streaming yet. While it's converting, the only option to watch the video is to download it. Also, I'm not the best with converting videos for processing so I apologize for the low quality, the transformer was actually held in portrait rotation, so I am unsure how the converter managed to squash it like that).

Browsing Verizon Wireless on an iPad:

http://min.us/mBXLvQBCq

Browsing Verizon Wireless on the Transformer:

http://min.us/mHgrP1pSC

Ok, I'll bite. BBC Sports it is. The problem is as luna_c666 mentioned at the beginning of this page. Sure, you have the scrolling and zooming functionality after the first touch, but god forbid you tap it again.

Flash Video player on BBC Sports:

http://min.us/mLWm5mCHN

Unfortunately, on your website, tapping the video does not pause it as it would on many other websites e.g. YouTube, so it might seem strange as to why I tapped it a second time. Regardless, tapping a flash video a second time shouldn't disable such functionality crucial to a pleasant web experience.

Now then, you could claim that that's the fault of Android and not your precious tablet, but of what use is that argument if I pretty much have to use Android in order to use this tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dakunclear:
i've had mine since about a month after release and i get 9-10 hours with max settings and i use it religiously so you got screwed pal lol

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i only have one complaint is my stock brower just randomly restarts and it does it on my phone as well so im not sure if its just an asus thing or android but drives ape **** when it happens but meh thats why theres opera brower and what not out there but there ya go thats my only issue

and i could say the weight with the dock but i was lugging around a 22lb laptop for a while lol so can't really complain lol and if you were wandering it was a dell xps gaming laptop
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
I use mine a lot too, but I only charge about once a day (and only because I just don't like seeing it go under 30%).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
i dont have any of these problems and cant reproduce them! i can stop, pause, play, then do that all again while playing video in the browser, on the bbc sports website and other sites.

the fact you cant convert the vids properly and have moaned about video playback before says it all for me really.

as i said before, i think your tablet could be faulty.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miketoasty:
As for your Ipad vs Transformer video, I went on the VZW website and played for a little bit. First off when clicking "Shop" you were holding it too long. I was able to do what you did on the Ipad without the Android menu popping up. No problem whatsoever. Now for the accessories page, this is where you need to swipe away after clicking. But instead you just act like the whole accessories page is screwed up and don't explain a fix. Intuitive? No. Does it allow you to browse through the website with minimal hassle? Yes.

Now as for your flash page, first off the fact that you are whining about this is ironic as the Ipad can't, sorry, "won't" do flash. The problem with the website you are on is that it was not optimized for mobile viewing thus the video was not built to touch anywhere to pause. If you go on YouTube on your computer you can pause the video from clicking anywhere the same as on the tablet but as with the BBC video you cannot.

Finally, the clicking the flash video and not being able to move, well as a great man once said "You are doing it wrong". Clicking the flash video makes it the main point of the page and clicks in it are now used to interact with whatever the flash item is. This allows you to change the volume, click play/pause, or even interact with flash games. If you could still scroll while doing this it wouldn't work right, think about it for a second, or don't, but it was meant to be that way.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
indeed, and clicking on a part of the screen that isnt using flash while a flash video is playing takes you back to being able to scroll and use that web page normally. so clicking on a flash object enables context menus etc to do with that flash object, clicking away from that flash object enables the page content again. its not rocket science.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] karapoutsoglou:
could not agree more mate!!!!:mad::mad::mad:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
ok please give us some examples of sites that you can only access in the mobile version.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] karapoutsoglou:
i dont have THAT kind of problem.

I have other issues which turns my transformer useless in browsing.

Lag,crushing browsers ALL the time,browsers that cannot handle flash at all,even stock in youtube sometimes:eek: ,slow scroll etc.

trust me i am android fan boy and trust me again,im no way a noob in settings,rooting,flashing,optimizing in general but hear that...

honeycomb sucks big time in internet.its useless,at least my tf-101!

i gave up,its closed almost 2 weeks now and i am waiting ics for the true light...

sad but true story.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
am sorry to hear of your troubles but i dont have these issues, i use Doplhin HD exclusiveley and have done since i got my tablet and i havent had any issues with its performance, i am rooted running latest Revolver at 1.5ghz and my browser is speedy and efficient. maybe its a network issue your end or a kernal issue maybe?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] richteralan:
So give us some websites which give you the problem?

Also do you know sometimes it's because of the poorly written website instead of the browser?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] LeoBloom.:
I am not debating whether the Android tablet is functional; I realize that most things web related that can easily be done on a desktop computer are also achievable on an Android tablet. My ultimate concern here is the intuitiveness of the Android web browser.

I realize that I was holding down "Shop" for too long, that was to show a particular aspect of using the web browser, namely, that holding down a link in Android will bring out the Android context menu. Although all of us knew this, I needed to show it in order to set up the comparison for how to call on the drop-down submenu. I sincerely doubt that you were able to call on the drop-down submenu without having the browser go on to the web page the "Shop" button links to. Sure, if you press on the "Shop" button for a half a second, the drop-down will come up, but the actual webpage "Shop" links to will start loading as well. If this is not the case for you, please let me know what combination of browser and ROM you are using, because as far as I can tell, this is a common behavior across all the included browsers in different Android devices.

In regards to the accessories page, well, thank you for explaining that. I dismissed it because I honestly didn't realize I had to swipe away to keep the menu from going berserk. But in the end, doesn't that just support my point? Sure, now that I know it, I can browse the web page with ease but why should these quirks even be an issue especially when the Safari browser handles this website so gracefully. Ultimately, this experience issue can be a deciding factor for a potential customer playing with an Android tablet and iPad side-by-side, especially when the retail staff don't know a single thing about the products they are selling and wouldn't be able to show the customer the "swipe-away" trick.

I wasn't complaining about the tablet in this instance; I realize that the BBC video was not optimized to stop playing upon tapping the video. It was just something I had to mention in order to justify why I had tapped on the video a second time.

Fair enough, I don't play flash games so I hadn't realized that this was, in fact, the desired functionality. I see why preventing the zooming and scrolling from the flash object is, in fact, smart in the flash game instance. However, wouldn't it be smarter to have a little button next to each flash window (e.g. video or game) of a website that enables you to toggle on/off the focus of said flash window? Again, it really comes down to the intuitiveness. Because I don't play flash games, I never realized this to be the intended function. The customer in a retail store playing with a flash video will think "why isn't my webpage scrolling?" or "why can't I pinch zoom anymore?" and will simply settle with the notion that Android is glitchy.

Also, please don't be condescending; I am perfectly open to a rational explanation, which you have provided.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Abbens:
the only problem I have regarding web browsing is. The webpage will play catchup when I scroll down. And yes its when the page is fully loaded. Yet when I load the mobile version of the page it scrolls smoothly. On my Kindlfire the same desktop page will load and it doesnt play catch up. Stock TF101 as well
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bob dylan:
ok, so basically the functionality you were complaining about was basically because you didnt understand how it functioned in the 1st place and your critism of the browser functionality is that it doesnt compare to safari on IOS? and that this could be off putting for new customers ( which obviously assumes they have used iOS before?!).

i think most people would use thier common sense and realise that android isnt iOS and that their might be slight differences in funcionality( but that when you understand those slight differences you actually realise the android browser have better funcionality than iOS).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blestsol:
Check and mate.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerdog:
Guys - I have had enough of policing this thread. Thinly veiled attempts to prove a point by trashing what you believe to be someone else's lack of common sense; trying to debate but yet failing and just screaming that your point is all that matters; etc. Done.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] dustrho:
Looking at buying a set of external speakers to play Pandora on with my G2. I don't want anything that's compatible with iPods, because I don't need that stupid dock connector. Hopefully I can get something that's less than $100, has great sound, and connects to the 3.5 mm headphone jack on the G2.

Any suggestions?
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] nobler1050:
Its not the prettiest, but any pair of computer speakers will do the job for cheap. I use an old 2.1 Logitech system that has a sub and the sound is great!
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] papabear:
Thinkgeek.com has a decent protable speaker setup. There is also a Sony branded tube speaker that is supposed to be good also. Seen em on ebay.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] OnlyClassiK:
Agreed. I believe you can get a decent set of Comp speakers at Walmart. If not there definitely Frys.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] dustrho:
I'm currently using an older pair of computer speakers that has a sub-woofer and it works great. However, it's not the prettiest thing to look at, nor is it even remotely portable in the event I want to take them somewhere with me. Thanks so far for the suggestions, if I find something that works well I'll share it with everyone here.
[G2 and Desire Z Accessories] scottmog:
http://www.usa.philips.com/c/mp3-player-accessories/universal-sba1600_37/prd/en/

this may not be what you are looking for but I have this in my backpack at all times. I use it maybe once every 2 or 3 days... Sucker it pretty loud and lasts a long time. Had it for about a year now, I'm sure you could find one on ebay for 10 bucks.