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[Asus Transformer TF700] chungylau:
For those of you demanding that Asus fixes the GPS issue, keep these in mind:

(1) The aluminum backplate acts like a ground plane to the GPS antenna. It is not a trivial RF problem to figure out how to modify the existing plate to improve GPS/wifi reception. The Prime is not fully enclosed in metal. I believe the GPS antenna is receiving the signals through the bezel(s), so it is possible to retain the metal plate and still get reasonable performance. The antenna location probably has to be tweaked to achieve this.

(2) The aluminum backplate plays a critical role in RFI (RF interference) suppression. Any change to a plastic plate or even having a plastic opening will affect RFI significantly. The unit will have to undergo RFI testing again to show compliance. This is not a trivial task, and will take a long time (months).

(3) The Prime is designed with the aluminum backplate which provides structural support. It also gives the aesthetics that the designers and the customers are looking for. Any change in the plate will likely make some customers unhappy, and might compromise certain aspects of the tablet's performance.

I think Asus should allow customers to return the unit for a full refund for an extended period. I don't think it makes engineering sense, or economic sense, to retrofit field units with a fix. I don't think there is really any grounds for a customer to demand the Asus fixes their Prime.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
Agreed, 100%.
[Asus Transformer TF700] demandarin:
I really like your posts in this thread. you sound like I did before I heard this news. You really helping to bring all of this into Perspective. I think as long as I have 1 yr. Asus warranty, anything is possible down the road. For now I am still truly loving the Prime. Even as this new news hurts to hear. If Asus owns up to statements that returns for for full refunds will be indefintiely then there's nothing to worry about. Especially if the option to exchange to newer model does Arise. Prime is still King of Android tablets till something better is actually in store for sale or in consumer possession.

Keep the optimism going ;)
[Asus Transformer TF700] 1lazysheep:
bickering on here is useless. post your displeasure on their facebook and google+ pages.

http://www.facebook.com/ASUS

http://plus.google.com/u/1/115201921530304855679/posts
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
I don't get why the hell you are defending asus. I've been reading all these pages and you seem to go out of your way to be against anyone here. Well good for you you like asus. We simply want our money back, and don't you be saying **** about how we can return it. We can't that is why we're in here. Asus need to come out and say they will take it back and refund people money. That's all I want. It has nothing to do with me being disappointed about new products, I just want my old one working right. Now just because it's unfeasible for them to take their crappy **** back doesn't mean it's not our right to have a working tablet. No matter the cost to them, if they did wrong by the customers they should eat the cost because if not legal actions against them will surely be a lot more than they bargain for. They should do the right thing in the first place.

You still don't understand why people are complaining? How dense can you be man. I'll tell you what, give me 500 and I'll hand you my tablet and the receipt...I like to see you go return it to gamestop.
[Asus Transformer TF700] xxgmon3yxx:
Can you do the same for me? lol. I hope he is getting paid by Asus, I wouldn't defend Asus like that unless I was getting paid.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Swiftks:
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[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Now this is just ridiculous... this is bigger smack over TF700T

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/nvidia-and-asus-tease-7-inch-tegra-3-tablet-with-ics-and-249-pr/

7 in. tegra 3 tablet for $250 (without wifi & bluetooth issure im sure, and probably working GPS too)

And the "defective" tablet is $500....
[Asus Transformer TF700] BongoBong:
Asus in all honestly has little to do with it. Its the situation that I have an opinion about. I have no particular love for asus, especially after the 101 release (had high hopes of getting one of those, but eventually gave up) and even this release and subsequent problems.

When did you buy your prime? I assume you are out of your return period? Did you only learn about the primes problems after you were out of the return period? If this is the case I definitely sympathize with you, and think you should get a refund. I do think they should extend the extended returns or extended warranty to beyond taiwan.

But what I have responded to isn't a simple, I want a refund on my prime. There are many that think they should be fixing the original prime no matter the cost. There are many that think they went out of their way to scew 201 owners. These are the points of view I don't agree with. If you bought before asus announced the gps issue and took that off their websites (although even that is questionable, im guessing many could still have bought it with the thought there is a working gps) and just now found out about the problem after the return period was over you should get a return. If you want a return simply because there is a new release coming in the future, but you knew about the problems while you still had it in the return period, then no I don't fully agree, but would like to see asus extend those return periods either way.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
You know very well that we've been complaining about this since we got our tablet and found out the GPS didn't work. We also told you many times that we bought from places that don't take back. There is no RETURN PERIOD. We would be happy to get a working one and will shut our mouth.

It's true that some people were happy with their tablet until today's announcement, but if you look carefully, most of us have been in here since the GPS thread. I didn't just found out...I found out the first day I got it. I just simply have no way to return it!
[Asus Transformer TF700] Ciddy:
Supposedly a hand-on video. I'm a bit skeptical, but the case would have to be extremely well modded, and the guy doesn't look like a troll to me.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3F%26v%3DxDDxMusFK9E&v=xDDxMusFK9E&gl=DE
[Asus Transformer TF700] Belgorm:
I would feel very cheated if i had of been able to get my hands on a TF201 :(

Sorry Guys.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
I won't go into details.. but, just because it is dual-core doesn't mean it'll be slower.

Example: AMD's 8-core bulldozer still sucks compared to Intel i7

However, I can't defend Qualcomm's Adreno GPU....
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
Let me guess, each tablet will need it's own dock as well? The Prime and the original were great hits because of the dock. You can bet other manufacturers have caught on. Asus cannot pull a **** move too early or they will lose all the customers that made them popular.

And, a higher resolution but a lower processor doesn't make sense.
[Asus Transformer TF700] UmbraeSoulsbane:
Its not better. It has a slower CPU.

My bet is that this is a 7 inch tablet, or this is the 3G version and they used a Qualcomm chip to get the 3G bundles. However, this will not perform as well as the TF201 and will not be able to play any Tegra games (some of the best looking games on Android) which the TF201 can.

But yes, you probably will get better GPS performance along with your plastic chassis.

Ignoring the standard six sigma manufacturing flaws that happen with any first run product from any manufacturer, the only "defective" thing would be the GPS, which still works just not while driving. There is nothing defective about my prime, and even with the new resolution that is nothing in the rumored device that makes it better than the TF201.
[Asus Transformer TF700] astralmind:
From TheVerge original article:

"Our advice is to just stay away from today’s Transformer Prime, return your unit if you already bought one, and just wait. When you really think about, a tablet is a luxury item anyway, so not having one for half a year isn’t going to kill you. And hey, you never know, maybe you’ll fall in love with what Apple brings to the table with the iPad 3? Rumor has it that it’ll push 2048 x 1536 pixels, which is mind bending when you think about it."

COME ON! :rolleyes: that it pure Applefanboyism.. scary scary load of crap.. let's wait and see.
[Asus Transformer TF700] kunddizzle:
Just typing the info here:

The new Transformer Prime isn't sacrificing quality for quantity with its move to a much higher pixel density — its display is still made of the SuperIPS+ stuff that impressed us so much when reviewing the TF201. Another highly significant upgrade is in the tablet's rear cover design, which has been altered to allow for better GPS, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth performance. Great for new buyers, to be sure, but we wonder how happy owners of the current-gen Prime will be with this news.

Android 4.01 will be the shipping OS on the Transformer Prime TF700T, which should cost between $599 and $699 when it hits North American shelves in the second quarter of 2012. Compatibility with the TF201's keyboard dock is retained, as are most of the internal components, including the 1.3GHz quad-core Tegra 3 system-on-chip. Onboard storage on the new Prime will be either 32GB or 64GB, depending on your preference. The only other notable step-up for the slate is in the front-facing camera, which has been upgraded from 1.2 to 2 megapixels.

Asus hasn't provided us with pictures of its new high-res tablet just yet, but we'll get those to you as soon we can.

Link from earlier post...
[Asus Transformer TF700] benlc:
Well, it's been like that for all of my Android devices. They sell a device whose software is not ready because people will buy it anyway. You wait 1-2months and it becomes much better (I still remember how bad the HTC Hero was before its first update which made it much smoother). SGS2 had quite a few glitches too at the beginning, but it remained the best phone for a really long time.

Thing is, yes, everybody can wait 3-4 months to get something "better", and 1-2 months to get it fully software fixed. Buying the TP WILL be a bad choice in 3 months. Right now, it is not (yes I'm one of those who believe that GPS and Wifi issues will be software fixed. Asus engineers are not that incompetents).
[Asus Transformer TF700] Evo_Shift:
This advice would be true no matter what. If you wait a half a year from now new tablets will be announced for the holiday season. If you wait until then new tablets will be announced at CES. It's an endless cycle.
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Yes that one is slower, but there are announcements that asus will be releasing several versions. One is 7 inch and a couple that is 10.1 inch. And I beleive it's releasing a arm windows 8 tablet also.
[Asus Transformer TF700] shinzz:
Have to wait and see...

But if the above statement is true... if most internal components are retained (including 1 gig of RAM instead of 2)...

is $100 price hike just for 1080p and 2 megapixel front-facing camera justified?

I still can't figure out how The Verge is the only one to report Acer Iconia A700 to have 1.3ghz Tegra 3 SoC while all others haven't reported that info.
[Asus Transformer TF700] wynand32:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that ASUS will offer an upgrade program from the TF201 to TF202. If it's indeed priced at $599, that would allow ASUS to offer to take back a TF201 (which they've said they'll do anyways, at least in Taiwan so far) along with $100, and send out a TF202.

I think that ASUS will definitely have a problem on their hands if they put out an essentially "fixed" Prime within anything less than 6 months of the original's release, without some kind of trade-in program.
[Asus Transformer TF700] oasis9389:
i agree 100% if its indeed a fixed prime something like this will obviously happen. but right now i'd rather have the prime i have than what is being reported.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Meanee:
A January 8 article that says following:

"However, the screen resolution of the TF201 is expected to be 1280 x 800 pixels, which makes the TF202 a higher resolution device."

Doesn't look very credible to me, since we already know what resolution we have...
[Asus Transformer TF700] astralmind:
With the way ASUS has been handling the whole GPS mess so far do you really think they'd bother with that ?
[Asus Transformer TF700] oasis9389:
i thought they handled the gps issuse well, made a good public statement in a fast manor and owned up to the issue.
[Asus Transformer TF700] zeroburn:
Coming from someone who bought a Xoom?
[Asus Transformer TF700] nxp3:
Owning up the issue doesn't mean it fixed anything. People who don't want a broken gps still got a broken gps and saying it doesn't exist doesn't make me feel better. To those who says, oh so there's no gps then I'm OK with it....that must be one stupid person.
[Asus Transformer TF700] astralmind:
Did I miss something ? How did they "owned up" ?!

"Alright people, it looks like the GPS on your TP won't ever work properly because of our design. Honestly we never thought people would think about using a GPS for navigation. Seeing how you are weirdos who would consider using a GPS for such an application, we decided to remove it from our listed features. There done and fixed"

That's what you call a good public statement and proper handling..? no too hard to please. Good for them I guess.
[Asus Transformer TF700] oasis9389:
they didn't remove it from the specs to fix the issue, they removed it from the specs to prevent the issue with further buyers.

But my GPS works fine when i have wifi on, does everything i need it to do.. someone buying a 10.1 inch tablet to use as a primary driving GPS.... that must be one stupid person.

personally if i wasn't reading the trolling on these forums i would of never known gps didn't work w/o wifi.
[Asus Transformer TF700] HuskerWebhead:
wait....Nevermind
[Asus Transformer TF700] Heerocon:
I think that everyone has been too hard on them about the GPS issue. I think that people forget that the wifi only ipad2 has no gps, and the 3g one does. I understand that you shouldnt put a non working gps in a device, but technically it does work, just not up to the point you want it.

Also, if it was so damn obvious that the aluminum backing would affect the gps, then how come all you people bought them anyway?

*EDIT* I also want to just say, put the damn GPS issue to rest. Its been officially announced, explained by Anandtech and beat to death by several thread. I really wish we could just get past it.

Besides, even if there was no program to trade in for a new 202 (which I assume there will be) who here would have problems selling a fully functional tf201? Probably none. You could probably even make a profit.
[Asus Transformer TF700] ORam78:
The sad part is about this whole situation is I, like many others, have been on the fence weather or not to return my prime....this just iced it IMO. It goes back to BB tomorrow...I can wait for the updated version...and if these are all rumors, I'll just buy whatever CES has to offer in the coming months. Like someone said previously, a tab is a luxury. It's nice to have but I have my mopho to hold me over for now. Asus, you definitely have innovation, but bottom line, you fu@$Ed this one up big time. This is why Apple continues to be the front runner. Crap like this just puts them further and further ahead. I will never own an iPad but sometimes it's hard to resist with stupid $hit like this.
[Asus Transformer TF700] Bimboy:
This is the funniest thread I sat and read in a single sitting in a long time. Took nearly an hour and two brews.

Disbelief > wonderment of specs > disbelief of specs > anger > pleas to grab your pitchforks and storm ASUS' media pages > cancellations, plus a few of the quintessential GPS *****es. Priceless.

To those who figure there will be a trade up program for those of us who bought these things, me being one of those owners, get real. NOTHING in tech is futureproof, and it's CES time. Of course they would announce this now...

When does the tiny car drop off the miriad of clowns?
[Asus Transformer TF700] richB7:
I'm having to jump through hoops to get a refund out of GameStop but I think, after speaking to the district manager, my refund is in hand. I'll send the dock back to Amazon later in the week. For me it'll be anything OTA (other than ASUS). You others are happy with a poorly designed piece of crap this tablet is, then great, I won't fault you, but you have to know you have something less then it could and should have been and have made the rationalization to live with it. I won't and will pick up one of the new tabs from other manufacturers in the coming month's.
[Asus Transformer TF700] hbk19:
On a broad sense, not really. I doubt most consumers will care enough for it to have an effect on the sales of either of the tabs, whether it's the TF201 or the TF700T. XDA is hardly speaking for everybody.

It's the same reason why I think that this new petition business is foolishness. I saw the goal of the petition: to replace their Primes with the TF700T. If you bought a Prime and can't return it, it's not ASUS you're dealing with, it's the retailer's return policy. Every device, every device will have problems when first released. Excluding GPS (though I've seen people posting about receiving functional GPS on their TP), most of the TPs problems seem pretty solvable to me.

If you truly didn't want the Prime with all it's problems, you should've done something about it within your return window. It shouldn't have taken ASUS announcing (very important word here, announcing) an upgraded version of their tablet to make people realize how much they don't want their device. It's your own damn fault. Just sell it on CL or eBay. You can probably still make a profit if you do it quickly.

And the petition won't work this time. Like I mentioned in the other thread, there's a difference between a developer community being outraged about a locked bootloader and a developer community being outraged about ASUS releasing a better device when there are problems with the existing one.

XDA is not the majority of consumers for ASUS's products; we're very much a niche group.
[Asus Transformer TF700] spalding1028:
First thing that comes to mind when I think about the TF700T?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZAAZ7iXN-o
[Asus Transformer TF700] NastroGlide:
Is it wrong that I would still love to have an original 64gb champagne prime? I would seriously buy one from someone now. I guess to a lot of the gps whiners that would make me a sucker, but I wouldn't use it anyway.
[Asus Transformer TF700] mannypants:
im on back order...
[Asus Transformer TF700] jfortier777:
In the thread where he was helping people he posted to let everyone know he would be

at CES

and likely be afk.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21151491&postcount=137
[Asus Transformer TF700] dpwhitty11:
Unrelated to that video, but the tf700t looks ugly. Real ugly.
[Asus Transformer TF700] rand4ll:
Thank god. I thought you weren't getting it anyways front your previous posts and dealings with amazon? Apparently I'm sadly mistaken, but luckily you are returning it, the door is that way --->
[Asus Transformer TF700] NastroGlide:
OMG Classic!!! I actually lmao!
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
should be called the transformer-prime-A700-me-too

note the "TF202T" version number in the TF700T settings grab from anandtech:

anandtech dot com slash Gallery/Album/1644

(sorry, forum won't let me post links yet)

the TF700T was clearly a last-minute name change (further evidenced by the fact that it doesn't fit with any of their other current product model #s) and really does seem like a shamless "me too" in response to acer's A700 announcement.

LAME.
[Asus Transformer TF700] richB7:
I wasn't, happy I got it when I did. $50 from Amazon helped iron out some differences with them. So yeah, I got it, but not for long thank you. $500 for a partially functional item, well that I can't handle. Should have stuck to my initial sentiment. Good luck.....
[Asus Transformer TF700] HuskerWebhead:
I guess I don't really understand, outside of the GPS issue, how is this a poorly designed tablet? Everything else works fine. My WiFi and Bluetooth work fine. *shrug* I understand that some people got the short end of the stick, but I'm never going to use the GPS for navigating so really, there's NOTHING more that my tablet could be. It's NOT less then it "could and should be" for me.
[Asus Transformer TF700] bologdl:
One thing that I haven't heard discussed yet what does this do to the resale value to the TF201. Any Prime found to have the aluminium back will always be know as defective so if you decide to hang on to it you will have no resale value.
[Asus Transformer TF700] 3rdamention:
I am not upset with new Tech being introduced. I love the 7inch Tegra 3 Asus. I think an upgraded screen for an upgraded Prime is pretty cool for those that want to pay the extra $100.

I am just disappointed that Asus has admitted that the all aluminum backplate was causing poor GPS and Wifi Receptions, then about a week later announce a Prime with a new backplate design to fix the issues on the current Prime (that you still cannot go buy in a store).

I just feel like Asus has taken the approach of, "We know the Asus Transformer Prime is having Wifi and GPS reception issues, so we have corrected the design flaw and have fixed the problem............................................. in a new version of the Asus Prime you can buy later in the year!"

I just think Asus should step up and offer a backplate exchange to those that want it. Not an exchange program for new tech, but an offer to fix the OG Prime with the same new design they were quick to announce nearly a week after admitting to the OG Prime's design flaws.

I still do not think that would be too much to ask. However, Asus is just moving forward it appears with both feet running and apparantly not looking back at OG Prime Owners.

I have a funny feeling that you will see future OG Primes released with a re-designed backplate. I have a hard time thinking Asus will continue to produce the OG Prime as it is knowing the design is slightly flawed.
[Asus Transformer TF700] novaIS350:
And just like that the prime is dated with its ancient super IPS 1280x800 screen. That was sooooo January 2012
[Asus Transformer TF700] nosuch:
i think all the talk in this forum about the solid aluminum backplate being a design "flaw" is a bit harsh.

it wasn't a design FLAW, it was a design RISK. asus was fully aware that aluminum causes RF interference -- this is a basic engineering fact for anyone working with radios -- which is why they put a second antenna in the tprime. they wanted a solid aluminum back for two obvious reasons: (1) it looks cool, and (2) they worship apple and shamelessly copy all of apple's designs.

unfortunately for asus, this was a design decision that got a lot of attention by the press and the geeks: first because they screwed up the initial batch and didn't hook up the second antenna properly, then when everyone started complaining about GPS and anand tore it down to expose why it is a problem.

so if you're asus and you're about to come out with a new model, the pressure at this point is so strong that they HAVE to cave and give the community the plastic window they are asking for. EVEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE **** (which it does, imo).

on the other side, i wouldn't be surprised to see the new backcover redesigned to something more professional looking by the time it finally hits production. anand already reported that asus is saying the hardware is not final, and the version that hit CES really does look hastily thrown together.
[Asus Transformer TF700] NastroGlide:
It does. I still want the original.
[Asus Transformer TF700] sectachrome:
Lol @ people expecting a "backplate exchange"

I'm in the same boat as the rest of you, and but get real. I think we'll be lucky to get anything at all. Then again, and I'm not really that salty about it because I'm happy with my Prime.