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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redpoint73:
Pretty sad that the OP feels justified to come on here and "speak his opinion" by insulting globatron and call him a whiner. I've been on XDA through 3 different devices over 4 years, and I honestly think he is the most helpful and generous with his time I have seen of any developer or user on all of XDA. He answers just about every question asked of him, and then some. Many developers don't even come close to taking the time to do that. And they shouldn't have to, anyway. Whoever said that just because you are a developer, you have to become everyone's personal unpaid tech support person?

As globatron already indicated, he didn't say he wouldn't help anyone. He just posted some steps to try if you have issues, before bombarding him with PMs. He will still help, and I have seen him help numerous people by opening up a team viewersession, and getting it done through all hours of the night. Is there any forum in the entire internet where a total stranger will give you such help? Not just for smartphones/tablets, but for ANYTHING?

I also don't see the point in coming on here and pigeon-holing your critics as being high-schoolers, and bragging about how you are so rich that you don't care of you brick your Flyer.

No clear cut procedure to update to HC? About 5or 10 minutes of browsing and reading and you would have found that globatron's guide is the way to go. And he was kind enough to spoon feed you the link. All you have to do is download the file and run the .exe. How much easier could it be?

I haven't experienced any system or browser crashes on HC. I'm also puzzled about some people's comments on sluggishness. HC is very snappy for me. Everything seems as responsive as GB. Which is impressive, considering HC is heavier on eye candy and animations. As far as game/app compatibility, it depends on what apps you use. I haven't experienced any compatibility issues. All the core non-game apps I use run exactly as they do on GB. I don't play a huge number of games, but the ones I do play work fine. I know there are some games out there that have issues (Gameloft in particular?). But if the ones you use are compatible, it doesn't matter.

HC is a completely different OS experience from GB, designed for tablet screens rather then a small phone screen. The launcher and menus are all laid out taking advantage of the increased screen real estate. Not sure if its important to you, but the pen integration is hugely increased, and works on many apps, not just Notes and PDFs.

GB was a perfectly functional OS. But it was really just an incremental update of Froyo. HC feels much more refined. While using the Flyer with GB made it feel like just a really big smartphone, HC actually makes it feel like something a step above that. If you don't like the update, its not that hard to roll it back to GB.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deaglecat:
Firstly - respect and kudos to the devs and experts that help those of us who are less informed about android and the flyer.

But, I do share something of the OPs sentiment.

The HC upgrade is a pros and cons thing; with the loss of function keys and some reported incompatibilities and some users reporting a slow down.

It is a balance of pros and cons.

The HC upgrade is a step into the unknown and there is no easy downgrade path (which maintains your warranty if you get into difficulty). So it is a plunge... and I too have not yet taken it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aostl:
I believe leedroids hc Rom has hardware key functionality but I havent tried it. And on behalf of us overly enthusiastic end users who frequent these forums, big thanks to globatron and all the other devs for giving us all that they do.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Printerscape:
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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Scabes24:
To be honest guys, this thread could have been helpful for people who are still decided whether they should upgrade to HC or not. Or at least a good thread for discussion. I personally enjoy reading people's opinion regarding this topic as I'm currently attempting to enjoy HC.

And although I agree with some of you, the OP voiced his opinion and you guys responded by flaming him from the start..

Sent from my HTC Flyer.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] tuen:
I think the OP's opinion on the pros and cons of HC is respected by all. It was his labelling of globatron as a whiner that is totally unacceptable especially since he got most of his facts about the issue wrong.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Hc vs gb is a big source of debate around this forum. Opinions and experiences differ from user to user. Not being sure if an update is worth it is a logical stance. Personally attacking a dev who has been vital to this forum and who's devotion is greater than any of us have any right to expect, is offensive.

Personally I did not really love my flyer till I got honeycomb. It felt like a blown up phone. I felt that the space on the home screens was not used well. Pen functionality was poor. I got a tablet to use tablet apps. So yes while some apps I liked on gingerbread do not work correctly, there are tablet centric apps I can now use. Lee has now enabled hw buttons so although a tad redundant one can use apps like honeybar to gain your screen space back when neeeded. I find multitasking to be vastly improved. Personally hc just feels faster, and feels more natural for the device. All of this is opinion. The next person will disagree with everything I just said.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] whmcal:
I agree, this is a useful topic for debate. It would have been really useful to learn more about user experience on HC vs GB. There doesn't seem to be any need to be harsh to fellow users just because they might not share the same opinion. It's always a shame when this happens on xda.

Personally, I'm tentative about upgrading. I have HC on Sony S and Galaxy tab 7 Plus, therefore in general I know what I'd be gaining/losing with HC. But IMO having: a)few resizable Sense widgets (at least less resizable widgets than would be available on other versions of HC); b)subsequently elongated widgets in portrait; c) 5 homescreens rather than 8 and d) no shortcut tray, seems like a big loss. Others may not agree, but that's fine...it's all relatively subjective

Also, I'm a learner in this forum, just a keen tech fan...but I would not claim to have computing knowledge. The work that developers do on here is fantastic. But as for me, I don't have any 'coding' knowledge and therefore, I don't feel comfortable about 'just downgrading' following an unwanted HC update. Gosh, I don't even feel confident rooting! Having other HC devices, I would quite like to keep my Flyer as it is on GB. It runs fine for me and to he honest, the pen hardly ever gets used.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
If you are not willing to root and or go through the downgrade process then the decision to go to hc is a much larger one for you.

I would ask that you read back this thread though. The op was not attacked because of his stance on gb.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] R23PO:
I chose to upgrade to hc and had the typical regrets. the good out weighed the bad though. I will say that because of some of the disappointments with hc, I don't know that I would upgrade to ics. it seems that for every 5 things they fix, 2 things they change for the worse. gb to hc showed us that. with android being open source and having such a strong, opinionated fanbase who knows exactly what they want and voices it very loudly, how can google screw some features up so badly? its as if they try to reinvent the wheel instead of adding to and furthering already working and successful equations. Google, release Honeybread or Gingercomb = best of both worlds.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lawguy:
I couldn't care less what the OP puts on his Flyer. It seems like very few other people do either.

Support in this forum is free. Whatever you get is given at the expense of someone else's time. People usually charge for using their free time to solve strangers' problems.

For many months this forum was dead and there was no development. Now we have a good amount of developer interest but some people seem determined to scare developers away. Thanks!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsweetness:
True to a certain extent, but there are several threads that already exist on the topic. If that was the real intent of the OP, then why post yet another thread? Either because the OP is new and doesn't know any better (which the OP is refuting in this post which points out being a member since 2008 and knowing how the forum works), or it's because the OP wanted to be childish and whine about the lack of personal attention from a respected and invaluable member of our developer community (when that developer has, from the start, explained why he does things the way he does for the benefit of the entire community).

If the OP really wanted this thread to be about Gingerbread vs. Honeycomb, first he/she should have just read through the many already existing threads. But if for some reason the OP felt the need to post yet another thread on the topic and get legitimate responses, the childish remarks should have never been included. Given that, I think this thread went in the appropriate direction. If people want more information on whether to upgrade to Honeycomb or not, there many threads that already exist. And if the OP is allowed to voice his opinion about someone on this forum in such a disrespectful manner, then other users are allowed to voice their opinion about that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
This thread has run it's course. Discussion on the motive of the OP are pointless, and attacking the OP for expressing an option no matter how that is phrased is equally pointless, forget it and move forward to something more productive.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Sweetpea8472:
Actually.... I think GB makes the most out of my screen space... HC adds that silly bar that won't dissapear if you are running an app.

To the OP: To each his or her own. I loved GB, except it missed one semi-vital part: ability to use the pen everywhere. HC added that. But HC also added that silly bar which I find a huge waste of space. So, I stuck with GB until somebody made a ROM to activate the hardware buttons in HC again.

In the end, it's all about summing up the positives and negatives of the various OS's (or even devices!) and see which has the least negatives and/or the most positives.

For me, the balance turned to HC as soon as that ROM came out. If it had never been possible, I'd never have moved on to HC.

But complaining about the people who makes these ROM's and write scripts to help you upgrade... I find that not done.

And I completely agree with Globatron that PM's shouldn't contain questions. If some questions hadn't been asked open on the forum, I'd have had to ask them myself and people would have to answer them over and over again. As is, I probably asked questions that had been asked before (and had been answered!) anyway!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Whiskey103:
Hum, this is something we dont need.

Closed

Cheers

Whiskey

Forum Moderator
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cordell507:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Back-battery-cover-Door-Samsung-Google-Nexus-Galaxy-White-/260879833301?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3cbda658d5#ht_2449wt_986

It's $26 and it has samsung engraved on the back so i think it might be OEM, what do you think
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sn0warmy:
If I were you I would wait for the white Galaxy Nexus to get released this month. When it does you will be able to find white OEM rear housing with white battery covers on ebay.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cordell507:
i wasn't going to order it as i wouldn't mind waiting a couple moths for a full white housing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itsjusttim:
That's what I'm waiting for.
[Motorola Atrix 2] tylercarter:
Since I heard motorola isn't going to unlock bootloaders I'm thinking of getting a different device. However if it is possible for a dev to get the job done I will gladly wait. So is it possible for a dev to crack this phone? Or rather must we wait for Motorola?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Unfortunately we will have to wait for an unlocked version of the bootloader to be leaked, and or found through cheesecake. This is how the OG Atrix was unlocked. I have found a way to DOS the bootloader, but it will brick the device at the same time, so it is possible to overload the bootloader temporarily, but once the phone is booted, it corrupts the initrd boot image, so you can only run the changed kernel once. Until we can figure a more stable way to use that information, we will have to wait for the leaked version or cheesecake.

Heck why not get another phone and still hang on to this one to play with? That is what I am doing. I am also in the process of locating an LTE version of the galaxy nexus, to play with on ATT's network, so I will have both phones to play with.
[Motorola Atrix 2] tylercarter:
funds prevent me from buying another device. i think im still within my 30 days but the only phone better was the gs2 and they wouldnt let me get that one as my a2 was an exchange for my nexus s. they gave me 600 bucks credit and gs2 was 650 bucks. i suppose im stuck. i have 4 lines so ill have to wait for my upgrade. shoot by then att might have the galaxy nexus. well ill just sit back and have some fun with it and check for updates on cheesecake. this is such a great phone with SO much potential. i just dont like having to sit on stock for so long. i really enjoy flashing any rom i can and trying every devs work. i wonder if by moto saying they wouldnt unlock bootloaders that meant what we would find on cheesecake or official releases OTA.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caps_look:
hello guys... i was going to buy samsung galaxy s2 phone when i heared about the yellow tint and the camera pink spot issue...

i was wondering about the severity of this issue and DOES IT APPEAR OVER TIME OR JUST FROM THE DAY OF PURCHASE ??

thx every one i really need ur help
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ste1164:
Might depend on the phone mine has a horrible green tint when you look at the phone from an angle or have it in lower brightness. My friends is perfectly fine. Id assume you will be able to notice both straight away.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prinzhernan:
There is a very long thread about this which might help you. Try searching for it.

It appears on purchase.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ravizzle:
Hey y'all,

Made myself a sleeve thought I'd share some pictures.

Its made of felt with fabric interior and padding in between

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adampdx:
That's nice. I knitted a sleeve for a net book I used to have, wishing I would have kept the sleeve around.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] karib4:
Good job! My mother-in-law made a cover for her galaxy 8.9 tab, I haven't seen it yet,but she is good...maybe I'll hit her up for one for my Prime/Dock. I would only be concerned about protection against falls with a homemade sleeve.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ravizzle:
Yea, I'm worried about padding too, I didn't put quite enough. This was my first attempt. I have a bunch of felt left over so ima make another one with maybe cardboard and memory foam so it is more solid and softer as well. And instead of fabric interior i will put microfiber. And maybe make the stylus holder cleaner.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kungpu:
My DIY sleeve has been a Crown Royal pouch ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ravizzle:
Ooh nice idea.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
Hi guys, i received a DESIRE S, but this phone has been with other guy that sells me that phone.

Now i think its rooted because i downloaded the "ROOT CHECKER" on the market and it says "yes" that im rooted. Then i did de power button and volume down, and i got this:

SAGA PVT ENG S-OFF

HBOOT-0.98.2000 (PG8810000)

RADIO-38.03.00.03_M

eMMC-boot

I dont know what method to root was used :(

I think im with the sock rom because when i turn on my phone, it just show htc logo then starts normally (pin code, etc)

Ill give more information about my phone:

software number 1.12.0.0

Is that a way to unroot my phone? PLEASE :(

I have read some threads of other guys trying this but theyr hboot's are differents of mine, so im scared of brick my phone :(

Can any1 tell me step by step to unroot my phone? :( i have no experience with root's and this things :(

EDIT: Sorry for my bad english. Im Portuguese.
[HTC Desire S] lukrop:
It looks like he unlocked the phone with the ENG HBOOT of HTC. This version of HBOOT is for the service personnel and was then released by HTC.

AFAIK you can simply flash a RUU ROM which will unroot the phone. But it won't change that it is S-OFFed. Root and S-OFF are different things. But normally it won't matter in all-day use if your phone is S-OFFed.
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
It was S-OFFed by Revolutionary then an ENG bootloader was flashed on it. Returning to Stock is pretty easy in your situation.

First you need to find your real software version:

1) follow the guide about adb and fastboot in my signature (make sure that you have USB Debugging ON in your Settings -> Applications -> Development)

2) connect the device to PC, open command prompt and type:

adb devices
{your serial number should appear}
adb reboot bootloader
{the phone will reboot}
fastboot devices
{your serial number should appear}
fastboot getvar version-main

the number obtained from the last command is the real one. You can leave your phone connected and go to the "Shipped Desire S ROM collection" thread (it is sticky in the Android Development subforum here). Find a RUU with the same number as yours, download it, start the exe on your PC and follow the instructions. Keep in mind that this will DELETE all you personal data and applications!. After completion you will have completely Stock device and you can check for updates, I believe you will get the latest Sense 3.0 :) Good luck, if any questions post here.
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
OMG, you are my GOD! :o

I'll read everything in your signature, then i will start the process.

One question: Doing all this, im unrooted and s-on? Because all i want are the official updates and with s-off i think i can't update, or can i?

eheh, i'm really appy with your answer :)
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
When i type the last command:

"fastboot getvar version-main", it says: < waiting for device >

something wrong?

i can do the commands "adb", "adb devices", but the "fastboot devices" dont appear, why?

what im doing wrong?
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
Forget my post over there /\

i got the number 1.21.0.0

ill search a ruu with this number, thanks !! :d
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
hmmm. there is no such as far as I know :(

Do you have an update notification?

---------- Post added at 09:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:23 PM ----------

Tell me the output of this command:

fastboot getvar cidnum
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
No updates :(

I got the number in cidnum: 11111111 :s

I can't find any RUU, my software number is strange :(
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
I think that you can use whatever RUU you like :)

this cidnum is called super cid - you can flash anything on it

the version number (that is also checked by the Rom Update Utility, or so called RUU) is the lowest possible - so again you can flash anything on it :)

So you just have to choose one of the RUU provided that suits you best and use it - if you are from the Europe I suggest to flash directly 2.10.401.8 - you will have the latest version. If from other region - choose accordingly.

{just a reminder: if you just want Sense 3.0 there is no need to remove root - you can flash a the latest prerooted stock ROM and have all benefits of the Stock system, BUT will keep the option to change to the forthcoming ICS or Sense 3.5 ROM which most probably will never arrive officialy for our devices. Think about it :) }
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
When i run this RUU, whas specifics will have my phone?

Now i got this:

SAGA PVT ENG S-OFF

HBOOT-0.98.2000 (PG8810000)

RADIO-38.03.00.03_M

eMMC-boot

When i run the ruu, what i ill get? s-on? :)

All i want are thhe official updates :s (2.3.5 and sense 3.0)

And can you paste there the ruu that you think is the best for my software number? :o

oh, and thanks for everithing, is there a way to give a "positive reputation"??

and what you think about my english? its "ok" right? :) :)

EDIT: I'M from portugal so maybe this can help you choosing the best RUU for me :)

thanks again :)

EDIT2: I bought this phone at 1 guy, so i don't know the right localization of the phone :S
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
1) the RUU will get you S-ON (in fact complete Stock like you just got it from the shop)

2) you will get latest 2.3.5, Sense 3.0 update when flashing this RUU - it has Spanish locale

3) there is a THANKS button at the bottom of my posts :)

4) your English is fine, I can understand you perfectly, I hope my English is the same for you ;)
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
One more question :confused::

When people root their desire s, they should have the app of "super user" right?

Mine dont have this app. This means that mine is not rooted and just are s-offed?
[HTC Desire S] bam82:
Don't ask me why but when I received my phone it had s-off!
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
You can always use SuperOneclick to push Superuser to your phone. Or try to install it from the Market
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
Hey amida, i was thinking, and i think i want to go to reaper v.1.1 rom. So i downloaded the rom manager in market then flash but i got a error: something like "privilege commands" this meand that im just s-off and not rooted?

So i want to root my phone, can you tell-me the best guide for my hboot? PLEASEEE :) :) :)
[HTC Desire S] Desire S:
I have installed the superuser on the market but when i open i got no apps in there. When i click "flash clockworkmod revoery" i got the error "privileged commands". When i do the power button and volume down, i'm sure that im s-off and got this:

SAGA PVT ENG S-OFF

HBOOT-0.98.2000 (PG8810000)

RADIO-38.03.00.03_M

eMMC-boot

I cant understand if im rooted or not :(
[HTC Desire S] ben_pyett:
Follow this thread

[INFO] After Revolutionary (S-OFF) Install Clockworkmod, root & more

from my Desire S using XDA Premium
[Thunderbolt General] ddarvish:
i have a thunderbolt in essentially new condition that i want to sell, but only really know of ebay. have people used other services that they could recommend? or if you know of any sites where people barter for other electronics that would be great too
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
Use the marketplace here its free to use with far less hassle than ebay. I've sold 2 phones here my g2 and nexus one and both were successful, easy and smooth transactions!
[Thunderbolt General] nagmier:
you can also try swappa.com they charge you $10 but the service is great I've used it several times to buy and sell phones.
[Thunderbolt General] movielover76:
Ebay always has been best for me, good prices and quick sales
[Thunderbolt General] ncwildcat:
Craigslist has always been the way for me - meet somebody face to face and get cash....
[Thunderbolt General] lrs421:
Or get robbed. Be verrrryyyy careful with face to face meetings.

eBay has served me very well over the many devices I've sold.
[Thunderbolt General] what25:
I have sold successfully on amazon, although they do charge comission. I have used craigslist too, but if you choose to meet, do so at a public place, like coffee shop or grocery store.

Sent from my StarTAC
[Thunderbolt General] ncwildcat:
Wow - I hope people aren't getting robbed! Meet at a Verizon store, not in a back alley in the worst possible part of town. Done many a transaction via Craigslist, never once had any issues and I usually sell within a day or 2 and get the amount I am looking for.