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[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] torchwolfery:
not about to make any friends...

ok what I'm about to say will piss a lot of people off but frankly i dont care any more.

First off all the devs who have made these roms chose to work on them no one asked or forced them to. they made them using their own skills this means that when something goes wrong people turn to you. rightly or wrongly its what happens. Im sorry that not all are nice and kind but neither are they all nasty and assholey... for all the devs who threaten to leave because of stupid asses who ask or beg or what ever just feels to me really stupid. You guys all have skills i wish i could have and I know most of you will say I could learn trust me I've tried and all I can say is that I'm a language teacher for a reason lol...

I do understand it sucks to deal with this crap and I do feel for you having run forums for some groups myself so I know what a pain it can be..

But this talk of bullying and harassing and so on seems over the top. These are not people who are walking up to you in the street, they are writing words on a screen, sending emails and posting in forums.. it might be annoying but it cant truly touch you. if some one says something you don't like either delete, ignore or just get them banished you devs and mods have the power use it.

as the saying goes "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"

and lastly I will say it again. those jumping off the ace roms think carefully, how much time and effort you have put in to your work? The moment you turn away from these roms you not only waste your time but you also turn your backs on those of us who have tried in some way to say thanks. Jusada your roms have made my phone so much fun, are the roms always perfect no but do i blame the devs, hell no I'm just grateful that someone like you guys put their skills into giving us something so cool. I'm sorry but its the good devs like yourselves that need to not allow idiots and the so called bullies to drive you away.

In the end of course its all down to you how you deal with it. as far as I see it all I can do is to tell you thanks. If that's not enough from those of us who do take the time to show our appreciation then there's not much else to say anyway. except maybe good luck with future your endevours... I'm sure the next device you choose will have no idiots using it
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jusada:
I understand your point of view, I really do. But at some point enough is enough, you have to make a stand. You say about real life and I see your point. But then in the real world I would have torn someone a new hole for talking to me the way people do here. Yeah, I'm highly strung, I know that. But in truth we come here to help and learn from like minded people. I get atleast 20inboxs a week asking random questions I can't answer, that's may not sound like an issue to you, like you say. Just ignore them, witch is fine if its the same people. Normaly its not. Well read and delete, would be you solution I guess, but the whole prossess is just anoying. Put yourself in are shoes, if you had a car you didn't use so gave it to a friend then they constantly hastled you about the windscreen wipers not working, how would you feel? Especialy if you'd told them before. I don't think anyone has an issue with questions. Its the dumb ones we do. As for the issue of all members missing out because of some idiots, in truth maybe it will spure the good ones to rally with us. I'm unssure of where you come from, I'm from the uk. Teachers hear recently went on strike due to pay cuts. My daughter missed out on school because of someone elses mistake. Do I hold them as wrong for that? No, I see it was an issue they needed to bring up. To be honest, we have one thread compaining about it. They have many, most of them ares. I've been ready to leave xda for some time, I've made no secret of that, and so its not a huge issue for me. And like you said, no one asks us to do it. So if we do its on us. So I choose not to. Its really that simple.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] pranoy407:
You all developers are keeping our Ace alive. Without such roms and your hard work this phone stands no where :(
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] MrChaosDesire:
Galaxy R! *tears*

Remember when VillainROM was the first few custom ROMs, then FlashX1 and others. Those were good times when people asked once and most people would have known it.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] torchwolfery:
first of taking a stand means exactly that standing up to something, you can hate me all you want for saying this but just giving up and changing to a new device is not making a stand, you're just walking away.

as for the teachers, I'm from the UK but haven't lived there for over 10 years, but I heard about the strikes. as you say your daughter missed a day of school, the teachers didn't quit or give up they took a stand and protested together to prove a point and then went back to work because it's not the kids fault that pay there is so bad.

as for the car, its funny you should say that, when ever i get some new computer, phone, laptop or camera I always pass it down to a friend or family, and if they have any problems of course they call me, they have no service center, no shop to take it back to, sure they could pay to go have it looked at but why would they when the person who gave it to them is just a call away.

sure sometimes its annoying but its part of the responsibility I bear after passing it on. So when I get some dumb question asking me why the speakers aren't working i don't just say not my problem I just sigh and tell them I will come over when i get a chance. I go there and I fix it.

I teach at the moment over 100 students, but they don't just contact me about lessons they also email me about all sorts of stupid things and for this I dont get paid. some I read an answer, Some I point in the direction of other teachers or professionals to help them.. but either way good or bad, annoying or downright stupid I deal with it. because I'm the one my students, friends, colleges and family have to turn to.

again the only way this can be improved is not by walking away, but by making it harder for the idiots to be idiots. I and I'm sure a lot of others would be happy to help moderate (maybe we cant dev but I'm handy with the delete key lol). personally I would love to delete all the multiple questions which make the threads so bloody hard to read most of the time these days.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Aj--:
Personally, I have no issue with noobs even though my post count probably indicates that I am one.

I withhold commenting in the Dev section as I know nothing about development and, as far as I'm concerned, if a dev thinks it's important to fix - they will fix it when they get time and I will wait patiently while they go about their lives.

I would personally like to thank every dev, modder, themer and contributor for the Galaxy Ace for continuing to improve our otherwise mediocre devices. Your work is truly appreciated. Keep up your awesomeness.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] SiNg0d:
Its not like this is the first forum to face the stupid-noob attack. Every forum has to go through this phase of noobs who conveniently forget to start to use the Search Button. But there is surely quite an increase out here, maybe because its too technical for people to understand.

That's the thing right there. If you don't understand a thing, you shouldn't dabble into it. And if you do, then you must make sure that you don't end on the short end of the stick. You should read through the topic before making a comment, or a complaint.

Most of the dev's specifically mention on the front page what's working and what's not. And it goes without saying (although a few do spell it out) 'No Asking for ETA'. And if they don't, you can politely ask them to put up front. They'll do it.

But people fail to read. Not even the first post is read carefully, and I suspect most of them simply scroll down to search for the download link and then go ballistic.

Solution?

Modify the Forum Rules. Pester and pester, get banned. Simplest. Requires a very active admin though.

Negative votes. Hard. Too many of them, the post is hidden.

Give the topic author power to delete posts. Hardest. Requires changing the basic structure of the forum. Too much power to the author.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
Well , you're a TEACHER .

I'm just a TEENAGER .

You know that teenagers don't go well with teachers .
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jusada:
I think you just took ecerything I said and changed it. Like I said its not people asking questions. As for walking away, I haven't said I'll stop working on ace, just not here. As for teaching and the comparisons drawn, there is a huge difference. Schools can use disapline, something this forum lacks. Also you are payed to work, this is are hobby. But never the less, you have an opinion. Your entitled to it, mine is different, we'll have to agree to disagree. Though I respect your view.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Rainbowboy:
I may be new here...

But I love Nims and other developer who are willing to develop more powerful technology. I am grateful for their hardworking attitude to create something better for the community. Thankyou very much~
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] daredj:
I have a suggestion for XDA in general to avoid this problems:

+20 post and +10 thanks to enter devs formuns (to write: + 40 post)

New forum for each device: Roms (Here post of usefull roms, new users can enter and download roms, make suggestions, complain, etc)

If a user has a lot of reports: Ban of secction.

The problem is that new users posts to fill the minimun amount and later start to "derp help derp"... Even in general sections start to make questions without use the search bar

Greetings.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] febriantosaka1:
I used galaxy spica very long time before using ace , and I was active in samdroid.net before xda,

samdroid.net is great forum btw (in my opinion ), i think that xda forum format is one who seems to be a problem

- basically in samdroid.net there is a 2 main important sections : the development section and the discussion section (to ask devs or each other for each new development that is being executed, and so people who had posted a question on the developers thread will not be answered ), while in xda not,

so the development thread and discussion thread mixed into one, maybe that's what makes giddy the developers ..

- and the thing that also important in samdroid.net is chatt room.. that is very effective to ask and discussion to anyone who is online

- and one more thing in samdroid.net all member are the same, there is no thanks meters, so that someone other than the developers will not compete for the silly things

well.. I don't know if some of samdroid.net features can be applied at xda.. or maybe we can move to forum like samdroid.net ...

don't be offended ok.., this is only my views and opinion of course..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] 5pace:
I have to agree that nims11 is under a great pressure by dealing with all those noobs, and I took a look at other development threads and observed that they were full of bat**** crap.

My opinion:

TeamCooper should host separate forums for themselves, where only selected members are allowed to join plus you would have to apply before, to gain access to those forums. The team could have various Moderators, who moderate the forums by imposing rules, maintaing them on regular basis and deleting useless posts / topics, etc. (which we don't have on our xda Ace forums) In my opinion its the most efficient way to carry out smooth development process. Moreover our reknowned developers could have separate ranks which allows them to see secret forums, which cannot be seen by others until they are added to that specific rank, so that the dev's can carry out alpha stages of development with no retarded interfearence.

If you need forums, just contact me.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] jusada:
That does seem a better idea. It would also encorage members to help each other.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] febriantosaka1:
yes..and i saw there is a galaxy ace section on samdroid.net , but there's no sub thread for discussion and development sections because the members and the activities for Galaxy ace are still less , maybe we can ask the moderators there to make another sub thread for galaxy ace .. so we can move there...

but then again this is only my views and opinion of course..
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] torchwolfery:
i don't teach teenagers lol
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
Then who do you teach lmao
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] domnic79:
I guess nursery kids.

Sent from Galaxy Ace GT-S5830 using TheMyth beta2 lite.

Dont jus say thanks, use d 'THANKS' button. [XDA RULE]
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] MrChaosDesire:
To tell you guys the truth I'm not really used to threads with posts that literally took up the whole screen from top to bottom excluding the Notification Bar in the Ace forum ;P
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] ImbaWind:
i never watched any video nor XDA rules

but i know what should i do and what i shouldnt

stop being an ass ,it's pathetic

demand is for boss

if u think it's easy to do those thing u demand , try it urself

use your brain to think before u type/speak unless u hav no brain

search before u ask , imagine how if everyone ask 'how old you are' when meet you

then u will know why the devs are annoyed
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Prawesome:
Precisely.....
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] xsaintzx:
All devs should learn how to ignore those total ignorant and unable to learn noobs and continue to develop their ROM based on their own liking. It is their own ROM after all and they are doing it for free.

Users should report bug considerably and only make request that is reasonable ONCE. Then it is up to the devs to answer the request or choose to ignore.

C'mon people, you paid your manufacturers money but do they heed your every single petty request and complain? NO.

I hope developers can just ignore all the posts by the noobs and continue to develop their magnificent ROM.

To users: If you like the ROM you flash and use, if you don't just go away :)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Jokerman170:
I myself am new to the android too, I bought my first smartphone 2 months ago, and I joined this forum not long ago also. I must say when you have no idea what the hell is going on here you get confused really fast. I started by reading all the guides and xda rules as I know forum etiquettes, but surely I ended up downloading Odin and a lot of developer tools that I thought I needed to root my phone after all the reading...

My opinion is that someone with the proper knowledge should do a guide, but a really simple one starting from square 1 with a language that even a baby would understand, with a clear guide without abbreviations in easy steps about how you should start modding the SGA. By this I mean present step by step how to get from stock rom > root > cwm install > ext setup > rom flashing > tweaks install etc. that any noob would need to get from a stock rom to a CORRECTLY modded phone in the CORRECT ORDER. And each step to be a link to a detailed explanation.

I think this will solve A LOT of the stupid questions that people ask (I know from my own experience I asked a lot of questions to which I facepalm to now)

I know this will not solve every stupid noob's post, but I think it's the start to weed out the basic questions.

Also I think the devs should post a bit more details on how to flash their roms, I know I struggled a lot by sometimes really vague descriptions ex:

"how to install:

1. wipe

2. flash .zip"

For a noob this will more than likely arouse some questions. It's not too hard to write out a few more words to save you a lot of explaining later imo.

This is not banter, but an attempt of helping from the point of view of a noob, as I can still remember what I struggled with. Sometimes when I even found what I needed to do for a certain flash/mod/whatever I couldn't understand because the specific words or abbreviations and I had to ask again. I know it's annoying to you, but think of it like when you go to the doctor and he starts to explain to you in medical terms what's wrong with you, that's the same feeling a noob gets when you do the same in "phone modding terms" so please include some details too when posting, maybe use the full word before using it's abbreviation etc. so it's more noob friendly... I know noobs need to change their ways but the experienced members should think of them too so it will get better, one cannot expect only one group to change without the other.

Thanks for reading my wall of text and hope I didn't offend anyone.

If anyone who thinks he can write the guide I mentioned I will happily help, I would do it myself, but I don't consider myself experienced enough to write it as I'm not even sure my phone is correctly configured as it is.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Jar3112:
This sounds like the best thing said till now... A clean and simple noob guide would definitely clean up some confused minds!

Sent from my Galaxy Ace on Ice Cream Sunday Final
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] TJKV:
@judasa

I have seen your work on icsunday when I installed it on a friend's ace, it did amazing things to the lower mid range device. So I'm looking forward to you joining the defy community, which already has spectacular devs :D

And you can be assured the defy forums are a little bit better compared to here noob assault wise because there are a handful of users who are knowledgeable enough to help the occasional innocent noob, report abusive users, tell off nagging people etc.

Hoping I can give my friend a taste of the icsunday ultimate you mentioned too. Totally understand why you pulled it from here but I'm hoping you will make it accessible elsewhere :)

I am also following the ics development here, it is pretty great ::) the Ali Wilson guy thing was a shame though, but glad to see it hasn't affected the devs much.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] CallMeVentus:
Didn't I have a newbie guide ?

Herpderp Adreno + Tegra.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] SpaceCaker:
Hope that all noobs will know wha they have done to our comunity

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SGS II 2.3.5 ROM

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TheSeriousMOD V1

for galaxy ace

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TheSeriousMOD V1

for galaxy gio

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made by Robinandroid

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Current state/rom: stock
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Jar3112:
Yes, but maybe it should be updated and simplified, like it was suggested, and a q&a thread should be added. You think it's possible?

Sent from my Galaxy Ace on Ice Cream Sunday Final
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] mawnstermew:
i kinda like this suggestion but the problem is what about the other devs or soon the be aspiring devs that arent members of the TEAM COOPER? On my point of view, the problem should be solved from the roots, i mean by implementing stricter forum rules like the others have already mentioned.

And by the way, you dont need special lessons, being well bred, advanced thinking and a wealthy background to LEARN how to RESPECT people. What the devs are asking is respect. they are not online on xda 24/7 just to read and reply every redundant question, they got a life too you know, so respect that. Each custom rom they cook have been intricately made by them and they choose to share to so respect that and dont go bossing around like they owe you alot.

..just hope someday some people would start minding there manners, just because internet gives people anonymity doesnt mean they can abuse it by being bossy and not afraid of trampling other people. Again this rant is just based on my opinions and point of view
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Jar3112:
I'll explain better. There should be smothered newb guide, a short&simple one, which answers in a very few words to the common questions. An easy-to-read guide, in a few words.

I don't know if i managed to get to the point ..

Sent from my Galaxy Ace on Ice Cream Sunday Final
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Jokerman170:
Yes, you do have a guide, but what I am suggesting is a simple guide step by step, for the "on this forum for the first time and I have no idea what android is" noobs.

A short non-complicated guide with common day word explanations, with only basic stuff in it on how to get from a stock rom'ed phone to a custom phone, step by step starting from rooting, setting up cwm, ext partitions, roms, overclocks & tweaks in the correct manner and in the correct seqence. Without code in the guide and overly complicated stuff that's found in yours.

I hope you understand what I'm saying.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Pank789:
Not a dev, but devs we understand the problems that you are facing and we (all the ace users who loved and appreciated your work) would like you to continue with the great work that you do.

Please do consider our request and ignore the noobs.

Ace users please stop using bad words and irritating the devs by asking the same questions again and again and let the devs continue with their work.

Plz dont stop the great work that you were doing.

Thanks to jusada, slaid, emo , wayland , nims and other devs for making our lovely ace a great phone with your great work.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] adeklipse:
IMO, it's not so English-Second-Language friendly. And keep in mind that modern humans hate to read. When they see a wall of text, most of them will just say, "**** it. I'll just ask these guys."

Actually, come to think of it, I think that that particular pattern of thought is what made the devs here irked in the first place.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] ujjwal.kanth:
Ok, I have not read the entire thread, so this may be out of context for current discussion.

I am absolutely with the devs on this one. I have tried most of the ROMs here and I think i have posted a query only once.

The very reason is, whenever i found an issue, i read the thread and someone or the other had already posted the solution. If still something was causing problem, I ran a search and there was the solution to problem.

All those people who ask for ETA's, make noob queries or bug the devs with repeated request should refrain from doing such things. They work out of their own interest and all they ask is thanks, and some peace of mind.

Though devs should consider that not everyone of us is a bugger, and I personally can't thank enough. Please tell what we can do so that this community can run smoothly.

If you want someone to write guides, i can help with that. (Though i doubt it need writing, i think compilation is all that is required)
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] SpaceCaker:
What if a MOD makes the dev section

A week only dev available so no noob can enter and only devs ?

Its not fun but its the

Punishement fir those noovs

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SGS II 2.3.5 ROM

for galaxy ace

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TheSeriousMOD V1

for galaxy ace

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TheSeriousMOD V1

for galaxy gio

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made by Robinandroid

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Current state/rom: stock
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] sergeantgeneral:
My suggestions for improving the atmosphere of the xda android community:

1.Make the entry or registration in xda difficult. Only those members should get into xda who have basic knowledge about android,forum ettiquette etc. So there should be a xda entry test on the lines of iq society tests. A variety of questions ranging from android basics to forum etiquette lasting for at least 10 minutes should come up on trying to register. The users who pass these test only should be allowed as members. At least users will either use google to search or would fail to register.

2.Make a chat section at the top so that online users can help each other and reduce the no. of useless posts.

3.Before posting in the dev section noobs should have at least 15-20 posts and another mandatory test,especially, about forum rules and specific device about which they post.

4.Give more power to real devs(based on their reputation thanks) by giving them ability to delete useless posts since mods are very less in number in xda.