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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
The actual security measures involved in something like google wallet are pretty good. It works like an A output B receiver. The phone is the A and the NFC enabled payment machine is the B receiver. The screen needs to be on and unlocked in order for a payment which much be requested by the receiver to be sent. With google wallet you can use a prepaid google card, meaning your credit card funds it so you should never have thousands of credit limit enabled on the device. You have to even enter a PIN to gain access to funding the google card. Really its like digital cash. It would be easier for someone to mug you then to steal the prepaid amount on your google card. Probably more worthwhile too. I had a sprint nexus S with google wallet on it and kept like $50 on it. Didnt need cash and didnt need a wallet. If I lost the phone it would be the same as losing $50. Chances are the phone you have should be worth more than whats in your google wallet account so that would be the real travesty.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Featherbeard:
I dunno, I think it's easier to pull out my check card and swipe it and not have to sign anything rather then going through the hassle of putting money into my Google account, whipping out the phone and turning it on/unlocking, etc. ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
If you lose or have your credit/debit card they can get away with a lot more than what most people would carry on their google wallet. Its certainly not meant to replace credit cards in their entirety. It just gives you different options. Was the NFC chip in certain credit cards absolutely necessary? Not at all. Do people use it? Absolutely.

Bottom line, its just another way to do the same thing. For most people it will be useless. And also think about the fact that only one phone officially supports google wallet/has all the security features enabled to use it properly. The other stuff NFC is used for (beaming) is kind of convenient. My friend with a Gnex beams me web pages when we're out to dinner with people instead of emailing the link to me. Raises questions at the table lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Featherbeard:
I'm not sure where you are in the world, but with most banks in the US if someone steals my card, the bank cancels the card and I'm not responsible for any charges on it. :) Listen, I'm not arguing if the technology is good or not, I'm just saying I'd rather use my card. :) I can see the beaming being useful, though I wouldn't have anyone with NFC to do it with. *Laughs* :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DeRock13:
Not every bank here in the U.S. is that wonderful. I personally only use my debit card. I rarely carry cash and would love my day-to-day expenses to be replaced so I don't have to carry a wallet either. I use my debit card so often, I replace no less than twice a year.

Sent from Steve Jobs' iPhone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Featherbeard:
I understand. I'm with US Bank and BECU (Boeing Employees Credit Union, anyone living in WA can join), and since they both have Visa logos on their debit cards, we're pretty darn safe. I have a few credit cards, cards for grocery store discounts and my license, etc, so it would be hard for me to replace my wallet. :\
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DeRock13:
Understandable.

I've been looking forward to this phone for a while. I'm just excited because I can't do the International Version unless prices drop drastically. Buying a house, repairing my Electric Upright Bass and other expenses are making it tough for me to even buy the subsidized version but I am ready to pass on this Infuse to my Mom.

Sent from Steve Jobs' iPhone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Featherbeard:
I wish I could get the subsidized version. >< I got an Atrix in April of last year, so I've got another whole year. Gonna have to bite the bullet. :\
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Corvette06:
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's not how GSBTP works anymore. It's on a rapid exchange plan, in which your phone gets swapped out for a high quality refurb in 3-5 days.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
This would be true but the skyrocket isn't set up for rapid exchange yet. Plus you can always tell the person that you want your phone repaired and not exchanged. Trust me, I work for best buy mobile :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
so do we have an official launch date for this phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
@crazy:

No wonder you can't get a raise, you keep cheating your own employer...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] legion1911:
Martha likes the Note International!

Yayyyyyyyyyyy!

(dancing around and jumping up and down)

:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
Cheating? It's nothing more than any customer can do. And trust me they do. When did I mention not getting a raise? Lol I consistantly am ranked in top ten of our district and continually get raises. Next promotion is at the end of next month. My boss wants me to have his job within a year. I'm certainly not doing anything against any of our policies
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Relax, I was just trying to razz you. I thought I saw something where Best Buy was below expectations on Holiday Sales, hence my comment. If you are doing well, great!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] The Jack of Clubs:
i wonder why the hummingbird processor can do lte but the exynos cant...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Ryanscool:
They have produced an lte exynos, but it can not also work with hpsa+. Att wants having both "4gs" to have a better hand. Unlocked carriers (like in korea etc)would also like the hpsa+ meaning the lte exynos is pretty much useless unless on verizon or sprint (who know if they will even want that, they want it cheap as possible).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bigmout:
New press release confirming the Note will be available on AT&T on February 19th for $299 with pre-orders starting February 5th:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/30/samsung-galaxy-note-att/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crashmw:
I hope that this post in not offensive, being a noob and all, but I am still wondering why buy unlocked v the locked version that is coming out in a few weeks.

I understand about not being locked into a contract, but I am with ATT (iPhone 3GS) unlimited data. I fully expect to keep my unlimited data which is why I am wondering what the differences between unlocked and locked.

From what I can tell, there is supposed to be a difference in the amount of money you save over the 2 years, but how would my current plan change? If I am paying $30 for unlimited data, plus from what I can see, standard rates for calls and messaging, how exactly am I supposed to get lower rates to make up for the increased initial cost of the international version?

Also, international vs ATT version, the ATT version is supposed to be supported overseas as well, right? (like my iPhone -which is expensive when travelling, but works)

I have read posts until I am blurry eyed. I have tried searches, which helped me to get blurry eyed as well. I fully understand that there are those that have strong opinions on the unlocked phone. But what is not clear is ultimately why? Some bloatware? -I thought that could be dealt with?

The processer -well, the locked down version will have LTE (which works in my area...)

Again, sorry for jumping in like this, but I could not find a straight answer, and TBH, taking an Intl version and getting onto 4G sounds like a hit or miss proposition if you happen to have folks in the local stores that do not want to be helpful.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Dave*228:
There are 2 different issues here;one technical and one based on contract terms.

The technical one is; the NOTE that ATT will sell in the USA is a different phone. It has different CPU in it so it can run both HSPA+ (ATT pretent 4G) AND LTE. The unlocked international version will only run on ATT's HSPA+ network, not LTE.

The contract issue: If you buy the NOTE from ATT they will offer a "contract price " of $300. If you are elligible you can buy for $300 but you have to committ to 2 more years with ATT. If you buy the international unlocked phone (or buy the ATT version outright) for $700, you can put it in service and not renew your contract. The monthly cost is the same in either case.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dr.W:
Exactly. This is a key point. Unless, you're planning on leaving AT&T in the next two years, there is no penalty to entering into a contract to get the subsidized cost. As far as any other arguments about AT&T knowing what phone you're using-big deal. They already know how much data you're using and if they allow you to keep using unlimited plans with LTE then it makes no difference what phone you have. Now, if you have an unlimited non-smartphone data plan, its true that you can't keep that plan with the Note. But its also true that you're cheating by lying to AT&T about the type of phone you're using. So, if you're ok with lying to AT&T but not ok about them telling you that you can't use a smartphone on that plan then you're a bit of a hypocrite.

There is no such thing as a free lunch-eventually you have to pay to play if you want to use their ball. How's that for mixing metaphors?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] macwilson:
Preorders? Yikes.

Is this going to be a hot item? At $300 me doubts it :roll eyes:

Then again, you mention 'pre-order', or form a big line and all the cattle may just stampede.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] carhigh:
There is also the updates issues. Taking far to long for ATT to put updates out while international sets come from Samsung. Not only that, for me, but also, I'm sure you won't be able to tether on the ATT phone like we can with this international phone. Not that I use it much at all.

LTE is being tested in the area of CT that I am in and the macanic at work has it on his skyrocket sometimes, so I know it's not far off. Lotta different things going on with this note
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] crashmw:
I follow. Thanks guys for the responses.

It is basically as I envisioned it from the start. It seems that Intl version may have a better CPU, but in the US at least, I should have better data access with the ATT version due to (even if limited) LTE network on top of the existing 4g HSPA***.

Yes, I have an iPhone w unlimited data, so am not looking to get anything OVER on ATT. In fact, I prefer Verizon to ATT as my wife has Verizon and has insane speeds and superior coverage, but no unlimited data.

I have had U-Data for 2 years now, and I seriously never exercised it. Sure, I have an iPhone/smartphone, but from day one I did not like the smallish screen. Web surfing at that resolution was always a serious compromise -doable, but not very nice.

I do not plan on d/l movies or anything like that, but I do have an IP camera at our home, and I do want to know that I can use as much data as I might need for any unforeseen reasons. PLUS I know that with the resolution of the Note, that even email will be easier, websurfing less of a compromise, and even watching u-tube etc will be much more enjoyable on the 5.3" screen.

Again, thanks for clearing up my questions...MUCH APPRECIATED :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MrDSL:
Also keep in mind LTE will most likely kill the battery.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bigmout:
Reviews I've seen of the Korean LTE Note suggest the battery life is just fine.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esco757:
How about the folks the with international version just be happy you have it.. Whats the purpose of trying to bash the version of the phone YOU won't have since you purchased the int'l version? I heard the same crap about tethering when the Streak came out, nothing a custom rom can't fix...Be happy you spent +$700 bucks instead of being salty about someone getting it for half of what you paid (even more if ppl decide to wait a couple months after release). There's a Note for all!!! We're on the same team folks!! lets support the development of this great device!!! Pz
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] reinbeau:
As I've said, when the AT&T version comes out, there will be a new set of forums made for it, as these devices are not going to be using the same ROMs, mods, etc. Threads that descend into device bashing will be closed, so let's keep the mood cooperative and sharing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esco757:
10-4, Thanks...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] carhigh:
Some how I feel that was directed at me?

the Dell could tether without being detected even on the stock rom, I had 2 of them. ATT did not get to lock that phone up like they do with their phones. the infuse could tether once you got rid of the tether manager, but some how later on they figured it out and did something to know who was tethering even on custom roms and with tether manager removed. I didn't chime in here to get into this bull****. I really don't care either way. I only mentioned a few issues that can come into play for users.

AND to put and end to the bull**** about buying whatever and me *****ing.... I have the international phone. I'm buying the ATT note and giving this one to my wife. I'm not sorry I bought this one. I'd be sorry if I bought another international phone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] macwilson:
Let me get this straight.....

So what we have now is basically a battle between the ATT subsidized buyers (coming soon from ATT!!!), and the early, unlocked buyers, who want to trash the ATT buyers phone because they spent twice the amount.

Makes sense. Sounds like fun!!! :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
I have not really seen any bashing...yet. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. So far it seems the ones with the GNote are sharing their experiences. We have been through a round of this before with the SGSII and Skyrocket, so you know there are strong feelings on both sides.

I am on record of saying I will also probably get the ATT version because I live in an LTE area and keep my current GNote in the family. The only thing I have seen that could be considered a dig is the battery life on LTE, and that is not up for debate. The LTE version will have shorter battery life if the battery is the same 2500 mAh battery. It just remains to be seen how much shorter.

As has been mentioned they will be different phones. Get the one that suits your needs or be a complete nut and get both...my wife is going to kill me!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] buckwheat.phd:
Yep - local ATT store [Florida] just confirmed via internal memo Sunday, Feb 19th for the Note
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] carhigh:
I will be paying full price for the ATT note! Maybe $100 less if my early upgrade is available. I haven't had a full upgrade since I can't remember when. When I want something I get it. I'm can't go 2?????? Years with one phone! Besides, we use the early upgrades to get the kids phones too since they are locked into dumbphone plans
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] drpal181:
I would not call it bashing because the currrent att users cannot buy the note at subsidy price, and would have to shell out the ass for the whole amount. I cannot get an upgrade untill march 2013 and the mayains say the world is going to end by then.

I am looking at these debates between the two versions, obviouly if i am going to shell out the full amount, i might as well look at buying the note unlock. The pros are no att, better procceser(?), or more update support. The cons are no lite, difficult to repair state side, better gdu(?). The lte is almost nonexsitant in my part of the woods as well as 3g is some parts of the building. I have been in the top 5% for several months running and got throttled. (and no, att did not buy me dinner). So not Lte may not be that bad. The other option comparisons would have to wait untill the att version comes out.

I would like to see some more serious comparisons because of this. It is not about which version is better, but which features on either version would better suite my needs.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Techvir:
One good thing i have noticed is that the dimensions of both phones are the same.

We might see some more options with accessories, if the phone makes an impact in US
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] Suzook1:
Any idea on the unsubsidized price? I have lte in orlando and may sell my unlocked for say 550 if its not much more out of pocket
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Not exactly. The off contract price will be about the same (I predict $699.99)and International GNote owners could sell their phones and probably about cover their cost for the ATT version minus the early adopter depreciation... lol!

There are differences in the phones (processor, radios, updates, warranties, etc) and those differences will be discussed. I am looking forward to the reviews of the ATT version. I am sure the comparisons will be all over you tube as they were with the skyrocket etc.

I have been thrilled with my GNote and highly recommend it! If the LTE version is what I am thinking it will be, it will be a great experience!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] pangbibby:
Unsubsidized? You mind as well get the internation Note instead because they're probably going to be close to the same amount. An off the contract iphone 4s is already about 699 or higher depending on the model you get which is right around the Note's price. Just get the international if you're thinking about unsubsidized.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] zozodouce:
no love for tmobile

anyone know if the AT&T version would do tmobile 3g?:mad:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] bigmout:
Sadly, it won't.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
This is gonna get soooo old. Some people DO NOT want an international phone. I'll be honest, Im young and I party a lot. Having a reliable and timely protection plan make sure that I dont have to have a case or worry about my phone breaking. And being that I go out a lot Ive also had phones lost/stolen. Well, thats covered too, so Im not out $700. Plus seeing some of these international notes getting like 3mb download speeds is a laugh. I easily pull 10-14 on regular h+ with an ATT phone. I also travel into an LTE area a couple times a month and have it 48-54mb down consistently. Im sure if the person asking about unsubsidized pricing is interested in it, he has also checked out the international one. *Edit- He's even posting from an N7000 about selling it. He clearly knows about international options.

I cant wait to get the ATT note forum up so we dont have to hear as much snobbery.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] paikmanSTi:
have any links to the reviews? Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] droidal:
It is so funny, people saying they're not the same phone. They look the same, operate the same. I know all about the processors, get a grip, it's not that big a deal. I don't get it. The ATT version will handle everything you throw at it. So I'll take that plus the better data speeds and a warranty anyday. And I'm glad not to have the ugly Euro dummy button. To each his own, right.

The only plus of the International might be development, and this version will catch up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Do they have LTE in St. Louis? And they are not the same phone, you said so in your post and no, it s not a big deal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] dmbrown81:
LTE was supposed to come out early 2012 in St. Louis
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] gordec:
I think all the comparisons btw the two versions are valid, but the most important factor is actually the graphic design on the boxes. I'm have to wait to see what the ATT box looks likes. Because you eventually forget the smoothness of operation and the data speed, but you will never forget how the box that once stored your phone looks like.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
I "thanked" you for the injection of humor. I too hope its a nice box but it will likely just be the same ones ATT has moved to in the past 6 or so months. I am quite envious of some of the other carriers various box designs. mmmmm I do love boxes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Sweet! You will love it if you have not yet experienced it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] imitenotbecrazy:
:D LTE is fun
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
are you looking to switch out your nitro hd? Are the LTE speeds in SA still smoking? I remember hitting like 56 down and 14 up up at 1604 and 281!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] planoman:
Yes it is. One I took a while back near my house (which is bigger than yours...lol). I stopped doing them because LTE is fast and someone told me it is like 20MB of data just to show off. I think our speeds will slow a bit as the network becomes more populated.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] gordec:
Still smoking. I swapped out the Nitro because the battery life. It is an awesome phone otherwise. I need the phone to last 20 h due to work.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] garyd9:
I'm jealous. With my AT&T GSII (i777), I get all excited and jump for joy when I get a whopping 4 down. Same when I had the skyrocket. The phone claims HSDPA in about->status (never trust the icon on the notification bar), but the type of signal doesn't mean much for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] maxh:
I'll take enjoying the Note for nearly 4 months while AT&T takes their time gimping their model and installing carrierIQ rootkit spyware before finally releasing it. I'll go ahead and buy the AT&T model when it comes out and give it a test drive, then sell either it or my international Note, whichever I like less. But I have a feeling it's going to be the AT&T Note that gets resold, as I'm glad to have the excellent, functional hardware button. I don't give a damn about looks; I love being able to wake the Note with the home button instead of hunting for the power button then hitting the volume buttons too, and I love being able to hit menu and back without looking since they're each the only thing on either side of the hardware button. Yep, function over form for me; I'll take brains over looks any day when it comes to a device I use.

I only get 2-3 Mbit down at my house, but in other parts of town I get 7-10 Mbit on HSDPA with the international version. I guess it's all about AT&T's towers and backhaul...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] ngocdao:
LTE phones can switch tO H+
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] HarmonyFlame:
Alright bud, good for you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] DeRock13:
Power button is the top right, correct? How hard is that to find? I love when people refer to it as hunting for it. It stays in one place. It's not a migratory coconut or anything.

Sent from Steve Jobs' iPhone
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] esco757:
+1...Same here, seems like a self assurance test for the ones now having reluctance on buying the international version..not all comments I see are like that but its there...

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The original streak rom didn't have tether 1.6 donut..yes I almost laughed typing 1.6 donut but needed to fact check..no need to curse either because the impact just isn't the same ....But back to subject there is a large fan base of folks that will buy the at&t version so no worries about dev support...pz
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] reinbeau:
I don't get that either. I'm coming from a Captivate, the power button is on the side, I have no problem at all finding it. If you're used to a 'home' button turning it on then good for you - but if you're not, we really don't care.

Really, folks, it isn't how much better one is over the other, it's what works for each person. Lording a 'home' button and/or pumping how much better the International one is isn't leading to nice discussions here. This 'mine is bigger than yours' stuff really should cease.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717] MrDSL:
Buy international Note and go prepaid

Buy AT&T Note outright and go prepaid

Buy GNexus and go prepaid

Wait for SGS3.

Too many decisions my head is going to explode!! I'm just really bummed I can't get tmobile 4g on this bad boy cause thats the only carrier who has it here :mad: