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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Falhawk:
Its like this, did Asus lie about GPS? No. The tablet HAS a GPS, enough at least to fulfill the google market requirements. Does that mean its a top notch navigation device? No. Apparently for some people's requirements (perhaps many) it isn't sufficient. Consider that then a critiquable item. If you don't like the functionality, don't buy it or return it as such. It doesn't mean that its necessarily defective, even if Asus is bullied into saying that. It means that it doesn't work up to par of people who have certain expectations of it.

If its not up to your expectations, return it or mod it somehow to make it better. If you love the tablet but don't like the gps performance, plop down the $35 for a gps dongle. Otherwise there are plenty of other tablets for you to choose from.

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As stated previously, the GPS ability of the transformer prime is good enough to satisfy the google market requirements.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Barry, do you even have a Prime, are you looking forward to buy one? No? Isn't it better to just leave this part of the forum and let us alone with our "defective" Primes?

No offence, but the only thing (except you backplate idea, that was good) is trolling posts and BS about how bad the Prime is and how good Samsung is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
apparently you missed the original marketing where they did portray the Prime as such a device...show a girl looking for a restaurant, and the prime navigated her to it....

so yes, they lied...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Yes, except they listed GPS & if you even look at Best Buy... it is listed as GPS enabled with GOOGLE MAPS.

Oh, and Asus themselves created a video to advertise the Prime's overall capability. And in this video (now taken down from Asus's Global website), it shows blond female moving from Point A to Point B with the help of Prime's GPS/Navigation feature that was ONCE listed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Falhawk:
Was she hot?

Anyhow, it does have a GPS, it just might suck.

That's a critiqueable item. They have a commercial with a (potentially) nice looking chick navigating the back alleys of a dank city but maybe it doesn't work as well for that? I dunno...

There are a lot of variables with GPS and wi-fi. Technically speaking it has both. YMMV
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
aren't they all? lol...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Falhawk:
True, my wife is blonde ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
There are two components to stand–alone GPS:

1) Hardware

The chip itself and the antenna are responsible for obtaining, holding, and keeping up with a satellite signal.

2) Software

Processes the signals received by the h/w and makes them available to the OS and any apps that depend on them. It also helps the chip identify satellite locations when it needs to obtain first lock.

Ergo: No matter what anyone, including Google themselves does with s/w, it's not going to overcome the weak signal received by the h/w. Precision, accuracy, and continuity are the responsibility of h/w and s/w can't compensate for it. There is a s/w-only version of GPS, its geo-location via Wi-Fi and that's what's on the iPad(s) and HP TP. And now, because of the aluminum back cover, it's also (close) to what's on the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jim_0068:
This is a good learning experience for you then. I'm 100% positive the engineers knew the risk and it was the business/hardware side of the company that ultimately decided to go ahead despite the risks to performance.

I work in finance and while this isn't completely analogous its damn close. There are plenty of opinions and models and forecasts I do that are fairly accurate but at times mgt will take the riskier option for whatever reason.

Btw this is exactly what killed Nokia and Symbian, they came their hardware team too much power and didn't listen to the software people enough and you ended up with phenomenal hardware from Nokia in the first decade of the 21st century but an outdated OS that was poorly adapted to touch ie Nokia 5800 and the Nokia N97.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I resent your statement. I haven't trolled and have contributed a lot to solving and idenifying some of the issues, especially GPS. I have more thanks than you do posts. My friends that aren't technical rely on me for advice. Five of them bought the Prime on my recommendation. So yes, without owning one, I have skin in the game. You'll find many positive posts I've made regarding the Prime and Asus too. And when the owners of XDA change the terms of use for the site to prohibit posting in any forum for a device you don't own, I'll gladly abide by them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
Then you should read.

He said the same with ASUS about the root cause of the GPS issue, which is the metal back plate.

See that? The manufacturer admitted that.

If you read elsewhere, you would understand why Apple has that kind of design in the ipad back plate. Why they put the WiFi antenna there. Why there is black patch in the 3G model. There are reasons for that.

For me, I don't give a **** about the GPS. But I am just wondering if because of this widely talked GPS and weak WiFi, will ASUS redesign their product?

I want to know what usually the practices in business in this kind of situation.

The dual WiFi antennas are nice, but even nicer if the back plate modified to mitigate the weak reception!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nunyabiz:
Apple has the plastic in the back plate because thats where the antenna is. The Transformer and Transformer prime and the Samsung GT all the the antennas in about the same place. You can take the OG Transformer or the Galaxy Tab, and put it on a metal surface, yet it will still get better reception than the prime, so this leads me to beleive that there is something else as well, maybe software?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
Some reasons:

- they don't have another one with such long battery life (my reason),

- they don't have another with internet (always fresh maps etc.),

- they don't have another with ability to install different apps (android phone for example) for different type of navigation,

- they require GPS for tasks that standalone GPS devices don't have - for example tagging photos, using google applications (star map), using location aware web application,

- they don't want to take more than one device with them,

- they wan't to use the tablet for apps that show local things and navigate to them (only android phone could probably do the same - not every one has one and it's probably shorter on battery than tablet when used that way),

- they have bad sight and want big screen for navigation (not in car on in car but not by the driver).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Posts: 2,372

No **** sherlock. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] max1001:
Trust me when I say this, the Engineers knew about it. Engineers don't control the business. Once you guys work in a huge corporation, you will understand what make sense logically is rarly excuted.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
no one never said that software will be the ultimate "Fix" to overcome the hardware issue. it was said that through software methods the performance of GPS could be improved significantly. maybe to an acceptable level. seems like your theory is just accepting the hardware issue and giving up. well there are others who aren't so quick to give up such as yourself and want to try to do what they can to make the most out of a bad situation. that's all.

as far as my other paragraph, that was more towards people always throwing up Lenovo and Acer upcoming tablets. plus what I stated wasn't assumption. it was facts. PS3 was sold at a loss initially and made it back in the back end. Same thing with Kindle fire right now. every single unit they selling is at a loss but count on making more than enough back through their software and Amazon. that's where I was saying those companies and Apple could pull moves like that because they have a software and purchase system to make profits in the end. Lenovo or Acer doesn't have a software solution like that and therefore can't afford to sell cheap. Higher Res. tablets with more ram will be alot more expensive.

So i call your b.s. for not knowing market history of items I was talking about. :cool: Anyways.....lol

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don't worry, I know your secret love for the Prime has no boundaries..lol :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
To those who emphasize importance in GPS (perhaps to use it as navigation device), there's no logic in holding on to a device & waiting for a software "FIX" that might be passable further down the line. Again, read the question.. "WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION FROM PRIME'S GPS FUNCTIONALITY?" Are you really recommending someone to hold on to their PRIME hoping you'll get a "software" fix based on PURE SPECULATION & THEORY?

And your other paragraph.. YES, it is pure BS.

1. The cost to produce Kindle Fire is $200.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/amazon-kindle-fire-costs-202-to-make-1041948

Amazon is taking a hit of perhaps.. 1 cent to 3 dollars max based on which source you believe in. That is not significant loss in PROFIT as you claim. You are only half right that Amazon's main profit is through their online service.

2. Last I checked, Sony isn't known for software development or service. Did Sony eventually turn PS3 into profit? Yes, but that was after few years down the line. Also, SONY lost significant market share in Electronic dept. for releasing overpriced products (example: Sony Tablets.. complete failure in sales).

3. Do you now work for Acer and Lenovo? You magically know the release date of their products?

4. Every company releases defective product. Including Apple & Asus... And your assumption of Apple releasing iPad 3 in 3 month.. well, what happen to iPhone 5 being released last fall? Only thing I remember is iPhone 4S....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
well we can agree to disagree. ill leave it at that. for now ;)

Team Prime :cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jim_0068:
Basically the short version of my post. I COMPLETELY understand what you mean Max.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Or, you can just admit that you wrong & make assumptions to favor Prime.

"Team Prime" Can you really deny that you are Prime fanboy with that?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I'm not wrong. but anyways its a done deal from my end "shinzz" lol. nothing wrong with loving my device which performs so well for me. tit for tat stuff is childish.

The End
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
No, really. Prove to me how you aren't wrong. Yes, this is childish and absurd... however, many of your comments are so absurd & ridiculous that I wish to continue. Really, prove to me how you are right. At the same time, please.. write a code & release it to the public on how you overcame a hardware issue/limitation/defect. I can't wait to see how you make a mockery of "engineers" and "devs" all at once.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that's your best reply or attempt to troll? get your rep up then holla @ me. and its obvious you haven't said much that's considered helpful..lol. this was fun while it lasted but say all you want. I'm done.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xAnimal5:
Well Apple pretty much sues everyone over the smallest details, so they probably would.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I believe that also. it was cheaper for them them to send product out n deal with it later vs. delay shipments even more. As far as Asus is concerned, its being swept under the rug and will soon be forgotten.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
So, I'm still waiting for your statement on how you aren't wrong. And the rep that you speak of.. if that is "overzealous Prime evangelist".. I'll pass on building that reputation that you so value.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TheOriginalPol:
Lol shinzz man... come on, you're making yourself look bad :-)

My two cents: I purchased my prime with the excitement that I had finally found the perfect tablet that did EVERYTHING I wanted a tablet to do. GPS is a big part of that for me (personally. I know everyone has their own opinions on whether GPS is important to them, and this is mine). I was unlucky enough to get one of the units where GPS doesn't work at all. Like, i literally get nothing. Because of this (and wifi), as much as it pains me, im considering returning the tablet and continuing my search unless I get some love from ASUS soon.

This is coming from someone which also owns an iPad 2 3G, and bought a Prime to replace it.

Im not holding my breath. The way I see it, this company is simply out of their league. They are making great hardware just like they always have — which is the most painful part, because they're too new to the mobile consumer electronics market and don't know what they're doing. Up until just a few years ago all they made were motherboards and components and such. They've got a lot to learn, and im hoping they learn it fast, because its a shame to see such a great product go belly up because of bad business.

Thanks y'all, I've been enjoying following this discussion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
i'd fully support asus if they offered a program to fix the aluminum back, either with a new plastic back or plastic cutout. how about a plastic back with a faux aluminum skin. function over style any day of the week

i just want better wifi. :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cousie G:
Wow this whole thread is a bit of a joke, seriously no one is forcing you to buy the tablet. If you don't like it or arnt happy, just return it or simply don't buy it. There are plenty of other tablets coming out this year so just wait for another one.

And don't forget the architectures and engineers are two different departments. In most cases engineers hate architects because sometimes they give them impossible tasks, especially if the marketing departments and other higher ups enforce the design because they believe it will sell well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] iRide113:
Should be receiving my Prime Monday. If the GPS is as bad as everyone says... I'm gonna be the first owner crazy enough to make a video and take one apart. :cool:

Sent from my fist full of Galaxy S II.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
^^^

This

I also just want better WiFi...

Nothing more...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>how about a plastic back with a faux aluminum skin

It's been done with many tabs (Acer A500 below). Problem is, it looks and feels cheap. Plastic require more material for structural integrity, and there goes your slimness.

The Samsung GTab is thin and light with a plastic back. But per the TechRepublic teardown notes, the back is taped on. Pretty delicate. Wouldn't want to drop it.

Then again, so is the Prime. Back is easily scratched, needing a cover. Which, if you think about it, kinda defeats the purpose of having a spiffy shiny Au shell. May be what you want is this, http://google.com/search?q=diy+anodizing+kit, or perhaps this, http://google.com/search?q=diy+chrome+plating+kit.

Anyway, it's nice to say "function over form." But people buy on looks first, functions second. The metal shell sets the Prime apart from the rest.

>I'm gonna be the first owner crazy enough to make a video and take one apart.

If you do, note that there are breakaway plastic pins at the inside bottom for anti-tempering purposes. Look closely at the Anandtech teardown for them. If you break those, RMA to Asus may be a problem.

>I also just want better WiFi...

Once custom kernel is possible, find one with wifi adapter support. Then stick a USB wifi adapter into the dock USB port. Or get a 30-pin-to-USB adapter and stick the wifi there. These below are for the TF101.

Yeah, the adapters stick out, and they look pretty dang fragile. You're in good company with iPad and GTab owners.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] John Kotches:
If you are going to be "geek cool" and drop in element symbols it is much cooler to use the right symbol. Au is for Aurum, otherwise known as gold to the english speaking population. Although pretty, it's relative softness, not to mention the cost, makes it a less desirable solution than Al (Aluminum) for this use.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
In dropping a device with a 10" glass screen, what the back is made of is probably the least of anyone's concerns. The glass panel's what provides rigidity and is also the likely first casualty in a fall. Someone already posted about their Prime's screen cracking during a fall on to carpet from three feet.

The Toshiba Excite will be even thinner and lighter than the Prime and G-Tab and has a plastic back.

If everyone saying the Prime needed a metal back because that's what people are looking for in a premium tablet is right, we'll know by the end of the year. Since no other manufacturer is using metal (even Asus in future tablets), that logic should make the Prime the best-selling tablet of all time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>In dropping a device with a 10" glass screen, what the back is made of is probably the least of anyone's concerns.

Disagree. In the case of the GTab, and apparently the Tosh Excite, without added structural support from the back shell, then the glass screen has to withstand the full brunt of the impact. It follows that it would be less likely to survive said impact (which isn't limited to just drops). That someone cracked his Prime from a short fall is anecdotal and doesn't change this principle.

Personally, I'm not much for thinness, although I understand that it is a marketing bullet-point. Fat tabs have better ergonomics, albeit worse aesthetics. I favor the first more than the second.

>Since no other manufacturer is using metal (even Asus in future tablets), that logic should make the Prime the best-selling tablet of all time.

I'd likewise disagree with the assumption that the (metallic) shell is the prime determinant of tab sales. IMO it would be branding. However, looks (and feel) are important.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] iRide113:
**** our lives.
[HTC Incredible S] moudja:
please i need to downgrade my ics 2.3.5 version 3.08 HBOOT 2.00 to an official WWE 2.12

The problem is that when i downgrade with the official RUU 2.12 i have a error message 155 ERROR UPDATE IMAGE

please help me with a nice complete tuto
[HTC Incredible S] zukri90:
Excuse you? Are you on the wrong forum? Incredible S does not have ics now (not sure for the future). If you are talking about an ics custom rom, you can download shipped roms to turn your phone back to stock rom.
[HTC Incredible S] tpbklake:
You have 2 issues. The first issue is you cannot flash a RUU when HBOOT 2.00.0000 is in the UNLOCKED state. It must be in a LOCKED/RELOCKED state.

The other issue is unless you have true S-OFF, you will not be able to downgrade the HBOOT using an older RUU.

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I believe the OP typed "ics" as an abbreviation for IncS, he just dropped the "n".
[Milestone 2 General] paulsmith288:
Hi,

I've damaged the physical keyboard of MS2 - by spilling a cup of tea.

After leaving it powered off for a couple of weeks - the phone seems to work pretty well for now.

The only problem I have is that a few keys on the physical keyboard constantly have incorrect values when pressed.

Pressing

q -> q2

w -> 4w

e -> 1e

a -> 8a

d -> 9d

x -> 5x

left shift -> &

I've recently moved from Cm7 to MIUI so I dont think Its a ROM problem.

Is there anyway to remap the keys? Or does anyone have any other ideas.
[Milestone 2 General] MegaBubbletea:
Sounds like a hardware internal wiring problem. Not much you can do. Perhaps try getting it repaired.
[Milestone 2 General] paulsmith288:
thanks for the reply.

Yeah I think it is a hardware problem.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] j4nn:
I'd like to clarify few technical internals of xperia 2011 phones.

What is the sequence of sw components that are executed on power on?

Where are they stored? I guess that there is not only the one big flash chip which we have the firmware on, right?

What does grounding of testpoint do - what's the internal logical function when testpoint is grounded while xperia gets connected via usb?

Please correct/extend/clarify my following assumptions (that might be completely wrong) about the boot process:

- the very first sw component that gets started on power on, a primary boot code, is stored in a small rom, which cannot ever be changed and contains also signature verification public key

- the primary boot rom verifies integrity and signature of s1boot, which is stored somewhere in the big flash and starts s1boot if signature check of it was valid

- s1boot checks integrity of other fw components stored in the big flash, like the kernel and baseband fw images

- if all signatures/integrity are ok, baseband fw is passed to radio controller cpu and radio is started, linux kernel is loaded into ram and started

- linux kernel uses it's initernal initramfs as root filesystem and executes init scripts stored there

- mtd partitions (like for /system and /data) are mounted (from the big flash mapped as mtd devices), android core processes are started, phone starts...

Now about s1boot - is this component handling all of following functions?

- flash mode usb interface (i.e. S1 protocol for loading/flashing images?)

- fastboot mode usb interface

- booting from flash as described above

I assume that signature verification is done also in any flashing or image usb loading mode provided by s1boot, right?

Is it right that if testpoint is grounded, s1boot temporarily disables signature verification for code image that may be loaded via usb?

Or does it provide kind of jtag interface via usb?

Does the "boot loader unlock via testpoint without loosing drm" method uses the testpoint in order to flash patched s1boot, that returns always valid verification results?

But how that could be possible - I mean, if s1boot is patched, it's integrity would fail the check done by the primary boot code started from the small rom that can't ever be changed?

Please share your knowledge, I am curious and I'd like to know how it works. Already searched a lot regarding this topic. My assumptions are based on possible similarity with older xperia models that bootloader lock bypass was discussed here (but where the testpoint was not used).

Thanks.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] j4nn:
boot (kernel) mtd partition

Is there any reason why access to kernel flash area is not mapped as mtd partition in custom kernels?

I see some bits concerning nand setup for boot area implemented in FXP kernel, but the configs are not used in final nand devices setup.

Is there any hardware reason that causes mapping of kernel flash area as mtd device with write access in linux not to work?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] j4nn:
boot process description

I've found quite good boot process description, unfortunately not able to post external links, so google for "Qualcomm MSM Snapdragon 7x30 boot process", it's the first link found (points to tjworld net).

The description is for Qualcomm Mobile Station Modem (MSM) Snapdragon 7x30 system-on-chip platforms, so it should be also valid for Xperia 2011 phones as they use MSM8255, which is a 1GHz variant of MSM7x30 (running at 800MHz) - these chipsets belong to Snapdragon S2 generation chipset.

Most probably the main difference in order to apply the googled boot process description to xperia 2011 devices would be that all references to eMMC (mmcblk) should be considered as mtd flash present in xperia devices instead.

What do you think?