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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roids87:
I was running Salvage-Mod 1.4 for a few months and never had a single issue with it. I still think its the best AOSP rom for the evo. It is not based off of CM either.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kekoh:
I used MIUI for a few months, and I don't think I ever had a single wake lock issue.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmorris710:
I have tried lithids, I don't remember any objection to it. I do remember thinking it could use more customization, however I bet kush's may be similar in that way when comparing to CM.

MIUI is a very respectable and complete rom, and is very developed. I just didn't care for it really. Its very nice to look at, but sort of like our evil apple counterparts, it made sure you did things their way to a certain extent. Great for some, everything worked well, but not my cup.

I may give lithids a shot again. Sure wish someone smarter than me had a real answer for the wake issues in CM, it truely is the thorn that makes it unusable to me. The one or two times I couldn't answer a phone call was enough to be more than an annoyance. It's also one of the rare instances of an uncorrected flaw that didn't get any attention, unfortunately at a time where attention is being shifted to ics.

There is a metropcs adaptation of CM7 that says a sprint version is available now, it was mentioned some things were fixed from the official build, but the rom isn't getting too much attention so not much is said about it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
I'm on decks 1.3 with g0dm0de kernel I had wake issues until I upped my minimum clock speeds to 384 then they have 100% gone away I also had to UV no more than -50mv at -75 I still had an occasional no wake and would have to press the button repeatedly for 2 mins to wake it

Sent from my iCS'd out EViL4G, soaking in a bowl of Ramen Noodles
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmorris710:
That's what i was afraid of, so it must be a source code issue. I was hoping for one of the other aosp's to have found a fix around that without one of the remedies like the brightness, animations or minimum frequency that give mixed results.

Sounds like waiting then for aosp roms until source is fixed. I assume it is a wider problem than just evo's, it did it on my gtab too.

Think I'll go back to Tommy's classic, you couldn't ask for a better developer. Really is quite basic, and I miss landscape when using sense, but at least it's not sluggish and works well.

Thanks for the input
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
Actually I just ran a test last cpl hrs as long as I keep my UV -25 to -50 I can stay min clocked at 245mhz with no wake issues so I'm thinking the UV is causing the processor to not want to wake properly when voltages are too low. However g0dm0de is the only kernel so far I haven't had wake issues are 245mhz min and UV -50mv tiamat 3.3.7 and 4.1.0 I had to stay clocked ay 384mhz min or it would take 20 or 30 button presses to wake it back up if it sat more than an hr or so with the screen off, never had a problem with it waking for calls tho

Sent from my iCS'd out EViL4G, soaking in a bowl of Ramen Noodles
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmorris710:
It usually was the needing to power on multiple times to get the screen to come on, but a few times it did it when I was getting a call, that was what made it more than an annoyance. So has anyone really been able to identify the actual cause? I've never messed with the voltages, kind of not sure what i'm doing on that front. I'm just surprised that none of the real code junkies haven't jumped in with a "Oh its this, punch in this script or flash this file". Haven't even seen any of them saying they are checking it out, maybe they are otherwise occupied. But surely the CM team or any AOSP dev that uses their own rom would find that a curious thing and dig in since it affects so many. I wish I knew that kind of stuff, I'd be all over it. I can barely figure out troubleshooting outdated bits of my old ass computer in Ubuntu.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
If u try AOSP again try the newest g0dm0de kernel and see if it helps out I haven't had the wake issues on it with ondemand governed so maybe its governer related cuz other kernels I used smartass or smartassv2

Sent from my iCS'd out EViL4G, soaking in a bowl of Ramen Noodles
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmorris710:
Will do. Leaning towards salvagemod 1.4, it's a 2.3.5 build so maybe it's immune to the issue. I haven't tried any Mik roms though, they see some good development too. Thanks for the tips
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
For AOSP I'm using decks 1.3 or omfgb nightly 10-24 haven't tried salvage mod again but both decks and omfgb seem to work better without wake issues on g0dm0de kernel than any of the others I tried tiamat 3.3.7&4.1.0 both sbc, savage-zen SBC and stock

Sent from my iCS'd out EViL4G, soaking in a bowl of Ramen Noodles
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kekoh:
Woah. 20-30 presses? You might have some other issues there...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -EViL-KoNCEPTz-:
No the screen doesn't like to wake up and u have to repeatedly press power or volume to wake it back up after raising my voltages it wakes on first press now most ppl pull the battery when it won't wake but I tried waking it a few time and if I'd push the volume rocker over and over for a min or so it would finally wake the hell up, finally got rid of that annoyance tho. Hasn't done it since I switched kernels and raised my minimum voltages from -75 to -50 before changing kernels I had to raise my min CPU freq to 384 to make it wake right, it's a fairly common issue on certain hardware with AOSP and certain kernel combos I think it has to to with either the min voltages or governer from the kernel but not sure since u can't run a logcat when it wakes up and still get the error cuz it goes away after it wakes and log reads normal again

Sent from my iCS'd out EViL4G, soaking in a bowl of Ramen Noodles
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rocket999:
I used to get it BADLY with Decks 1.3 and LEE kernel. Sometimes so badly I couldn't turn it on at all and had to do a battery pull. I totally eliminated it by flashing Salvaged-Zen 2.2.1 CFS kernel and raising the minimum clock speed to 384. I use interactiveX governor, and no undervolting. NEVER lags now when I turn it on!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmorris710:
If it is related to voltage change in the kernel possibly, I wonder if an aging battery could push it over the edge to having the issue. I did cm7 with tiamat yesterday, savage 1.4 with tiamat last night, and cm7 today with included kernel. I have yet to see it happen, although I'm off auto bright too. The reason I wonder is I had gotten a new OEM battery a while back because charge wasn't lasting as long as it used to, and it hasn't done it yet. I don't really know that much about the workings, just thinking out loud.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ThirdWheel:
OK first simple question, I can't figure out how to individually control the navigation volume. On my Droid X in navigation, while it was speaking the volume rocker control navigation volume, I can't reproduce that in ICS.

The second major problem is the voice sounds completely different than on the Droid X. The woman's voice is slower, about an octave lower, and it cracks as if she lost her voice. It is not a pure audio issue, the cracks are not the voice cutting out, it is part of the automated speech pattern, because it cracks in the same part of the same word, (IE the street I live on). It sounds like an old woman who has been smoking for years, and it is annoying to the point where I can't listen to it.

I am on Gummy ROM if that possibly makes a difference, but no other changes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nickles96:
Yep. Same issue on my vzw nex.

We all have a good laugh when she starts talking. Sound like she's seriously ill and out of breath. Probably a known issue I would imagine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] neok44:
after using my Nexus One for maps navigation on multiple orlando trips, now that i have my galaxy nexus i finally used it these last two days in a trip up to orlando.

First time she spoke my girlfriend said "what the hell happened to the voice?"

and little by little throughout the trip we found about 5 words that she butchered so bad that i don't think anyone who wasn't there would know what she was talking about.

the overall sound is a huge change, and IMO, better, but the pronunciation is horrendous and is incredibly worse than my gingerbread nexus one.
[Motorola Droid X2] zeb carter:
In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.

Just my $0.02 US
[Motorola Droid X2] k.electron:
Make sure you start a similar one with verizon because i am pretty sure motorola is going to play the blame game as soon as this gains momentum based on the line from the blog post

"where operator and channel partners will allow it. "
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
I'd like to think this will work if we get it out there enough. It's the customers vs. the company, I can't think of anybody who would want it stay locked except for those people who are like "oh but then it'll just be easier for people to screw up."
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course

id send it to droid-life as well
[Motorola Droid X2] hapyman:
This is a good idea. I like the idea of mass emailing them.
[Motorola Droid X2] sshimomichi:
I'll be doing my part as well. Thanks for starting this thread.:cool:
[Motorola Droid X2] phieta:
I'd even post on the unlocked ones. Many people would help the cause. They could write how much they benefit from their phone with an unlocked bootloader. I even bet a significant number of the larger Android community would assist because we all have the same end game in mind.

This thread is great. I was just thinking yesterday of collecting the various resources to petition Motorola. You made everything very clear and we thank you. SPREAD THE WORD!! and, most importantly, ACT ON IT PEOPLE!!

Now we need a script to auto-tweet, auto-email, and auto-flame Motorola AND Verizon.
[Motorola Droid X2] downtheory:
I'll help out with this cause any way that I can. I just posted on Moto's Facebook Page.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
i just sent out an email to the addresses that were listed by the OP, lets see how long they can ignore the emails from the customers and ignore the petition. I hope they don't send back a generic email that states that they're "working" on it. If the dx2 is a "closet" device then maybe we can gain at least the key to unlock and we'd be gaining our pudding.
[Motorola Droid X2] WasabiWa83:
Being a recent HTC convert and former X2 owner, I can say that this could really work. We got our Rezound unlocked. This needs to get out there. You'd be surprised how powerful this can be if enough people here on XDA start making noise. Thanks, OP, for posting this. Good luck!
[Motorola Droid X2] Deleted member 4177996:
Can we organize a time to CALL motorola? I think clogging up their phone lines for a couple of hours may be more effective than jamming their inboxes with easily deleted emails. If we could get even 100 people to just call at the same time, we could be HIGHLY effective.

We could all also call the phone number listed in post number 96 of the similar thread in the RAZR forum. I think that if we politely annoy enough people things can get better.
[Motorola Droid X2] Zues532:
'Bout to hit 1000..
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.

Sent from my eclipsed Droid x2
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
I signed the petition.

I posted in the Motorola X2 forums that HTC has already unlocked their bootloaders within the United States, and that the X2 will be my last Motorola phone if they do not go through with their statement they released to unlock the bootloaders.

I sent an email (not nasty, but to-the-point) in the same vein as my post in their forums.

Remember, people. Do NOT be nasty about it: no name calling, no cursing, etc. Just state that you feel they should unlock the bootloader, especially since HTC has done it. I went as far as to suggest they contact HTC to see how they got Verizon and AT&T to allow this. Then, state that you won't be purchasing any more Motorola phones if they do not move forward with this. I was being kinder and stated that we, as customers, deserve an answer from them one way or another (whether they will unlock the phones or not). If they choose not to unlock the phones nor give an answer, the X2 was going to be my last Motorola phone.

It wasn't nasty, it was to the point and it was with tact. That's what we need, not a lot of flaming, etc. That won't get you anywhere and they'll just ignore it and treat it as if it were from some child or teenager, which is what I would do with it as well.

BTW, just read this excellent article on Droid Life. Pretty damning against Motorola if you ask me!

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)

I went ahead and updated my post in the Moto forums to include this article link as well.

BTW, this has to be the 3rd or 4th "article" I've seen today about this. I think it's picking up steam. Now, whether Moto decides to listen and take action is another thing.
[Motorola Droid X2] antp121:
Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
[Motorola Droid X2] Xb0i:
Signed petition.hope were heard.
[Motorola Droid X2] phieta:
I went and called Mrs. Ellen and Mrs. Houtz. They both want to help and are ready to join our cause. Let's make moves people.
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Posted it on a google discussion in another forum. Can we get a list of forums this has been posted on?
[Motorola Droid X2] singlesword:
I believe that we should have this posted on every phones forum because it's not just for us that it will benefit but it would benefit everyone and for me I wouldn't have to wait on a phone to see if it's dev friendly or just another red headed step child.
[Motorola Droid X2] Steve125:
It was on the xda news page the other day.

Sent from my Eclipsed DROID X2
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
I tried. A mod went and removed all of them but one and gave me a ban warning.

I had reposted in ever phones general forum

Sent from my DROID X2 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] phieta:
WOW...didn't expect that. That's pretty upsetting.
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Posting on all phones' forums is a bit much, we just need it on the moto section of all sites.
[Motorola Droid X2] T3HBR1AN:
Its cross posting. Pretty much every forum I've been on frowns upon it.

Sent from my Eclipsed and ICS themed X2.
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
Im not aware of a moto section on xda. I don't see an issue with posting it in all the moto phone general forums

Sent from my DROID X2 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
The problem I have with it is it has to do with all moto users. Not just one. It belongs in all moto phone general forums. I guess everyone should pick a phone and post it there. They can't say anything about that since all the posts will be unique

Sent from my DROID X2 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] T3HBR1AN:
I was doing some work tonight so I took an opportunity to do some benchmarking. I compared two Tegra 2 devices: the Xoom and the Droid X2. The Xoom is running a Tiamat Katana Kernel and slight debloating. The X2 runs Eclipse v1.3 with the mashup build.prop.

This is the two side by side.

This is the Xoom. It scored 7195.

This is the X2. It scored 4880.

I know this isnt a super scientific method or anything but I think it shows how much these devices are being held back by the locked bootloader.

Sent from my Eclipsed and ICS themed X2.
[Motorola Droid X2] aceoyame:
Your xoom is also running @ 1.7 ghz lol. Run it at stock and then compare. Not to mention HC has a lot of performance updates. I would say with unlocked bootloader we should expect that 4k score to go to like 5.5k

Edit: Your OC is making a world of a difference. Your score is being held back by CPU, Ram, your SD card. The Graphics performance on the X2 actually scores higher than the xoom (probably due to resolution difference) I would love to see how my barebones v2 compares though.
[Motorola Droid X2] robocuff:
Isn't that the point? You can't do that with an X2 because of the locked bootloader. At least not as far as I know. I myself am not all that big on overclocking but given the right kernel the X2 is certainly capable of it. Seems to me that would translate into the X2 being held back from performing like it can because of the locked bootloader. ;)
[Motorola Droid X2] aceoyame:
Well I wouldn't say so. Even with 2nd init and aosp we will get a large increase in performance. What I was actually saying is that it looks like our roms are getting near as fast as AOSP at least according to that bench. Of course aosp is going to still bring a nice boost in speed and new features. I am impressed as how far we've taken blur lol.
[Motorola Droid X2] T3HBR1AN:
That is the point I was trying to make. The only modification to the xoom is an OC and it still scores that much higher than a decently modified x2. Im sure once the xoom sees a rom the scores will go up.

Sent from my Eclipsed and ICS themed X2.
[Motorola Droid X2] aceoyame:
The XOOM has rims I would imagine with it being a google experience device
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Also, sorry to whoever started the petition but the mission statement on change.org could be written a little more professionally. Can it be edited?
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
Contact the starter of it names on the site with the petition

Sent from my DROID X2 using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] T3HBR1AN:
I agree with this.

Sent from my Eclipsed and ICS themed X2.
[Motorola Droid X2] Xb0i:
Maybe someone can put this as

an article on slashdot.com in their mobile section
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
As of today (01/07/2012, 4:08 PM ET), the petition has 3,221 signatures. Let's keep it going, even though I doubt it will make a difference, but our voices must be heard by Motorola.

Get to 5,000 signatures and then we might have even more clout. 5,000 possible lost customers? Might not be much for them, but if I were a manager and I saw this petition and knew that potentially thousands of customers might jump ship, I might have to rethink our strategy.

We'll never know unless we actually try.

Of course, even if they don't listen, we have to go through with our "threat" - not get any more Motorola devices. For me, I'm definitely not getting one when my new every two comes up.
[Motorola Droid X2] phieta:
I'd buy an iPhone before I'd buy a Motorola again.

Actually, I take that back. I never would. I'd buy a windows mobile. Forgot about that them.
[Motorola Droid X2] motcher41:
Ewwww window mobile....well atleast you'll go to a competitor we never have to worry about uping android

probably sent to from the middle of a lake in central Minnesota
[Motorola Droid X2] wesf90:
Just sent the email. Anyone gotten a response yet?
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Okay, I sent a message to the petition starter about the "why is this important" section. If we have a solid mission statement and clear objectives, it's just signatures signatures signatures and contacting Moto/VZW.

Also, I have no way of knowing if this will actually get them to change their policy, but I think we can get a response. I would be very hesitant to call it quits if we haven't even gotten some half-assed excuse out of them.
[Motorola Droid X2] benefit14snake:
Would google have anything to say about this? Not sure how it is ordered on the petition but if it is in order then FIRST! sorry had to get it out lol.
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Android was created as a response to locked down platforms, right? I think Google would like to see them unlock, but I don't think we're going to see them pick sides when they're in the middle of trying to acquire Moto.
[Motorola Droid X2] aceoyame:
Google already bought motorola mobility.
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
so does that mean we could benefit from sending google this and seeing what they have to say?
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Wait, did it go through already?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Don't get your hopes up on this. From what I've read and understood, this is more to do with patents. Moto would still stay as a separate entity. Google won't really control the manufacturing of the hardware. It's really a means of owning some patents.
[Motorola Droid X2] aceoyame:
Yep it is just for patent protection. That is why they declined buying out another company earlier this year.
[Motorola Droid X2] Stuckinabox:
Hey guys, I got a response from the petition starter and I've made a post over in the Razr thread (that one seems more popular) to get people brainstorming for the mission statement.

Yeah I wasn't waiting for Google to step in and save the day, I just thought they were still mucking around with the exchange in the EU courts or something.

Okay, it looks like the Razr thread might not be such a great place for a constructive discussion. Any devs want to pitch on what they feel would be important for the petition summary?
[Motorola Droid X2] ztotherad:
anyone heard anything else from moto?
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Since my last, lengthy reply back to Motorola Support, I haven't heard a peep. I guess they realize that at this point, Motorola and myself are at stalemate. Well, not really. I have one more move: I just won't get any more Motorola devices, ever.
[Motorola Droid X2] moosc:
You all have lost it. Motorola has kept there word. With its newest razr you can unlock the bootloader. And that's euro version. As moto mention vzw requested there razr lock. So take it up with vzw. And don't get hopes up your old outdated Motorola's will see any unlock solution.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid X2] iBolski:
Again, VZW isn't the problem. Ask HTC. They have unlocked their bootloaders for phones on Verizon in the USA. So, it's NOT Verizon.

Maybe, initially VZW has prevented this, but with HTC unlocking their bootloaders, that excuse no longer holds water.

Also, if you don't agree with us, fine. But we feel we have something worth fighting for, especially with HTC unlocking their bootloaders. If HTC didn't do this, I would probably not be fighting it as much.

The only way you can make change happen is, you have to make your voices heard. We're doing it peacefully and with tact. We're not advocating that people go and do something rash to Motorola or Verizon. Instead, we are using the power of the written word and speech to make our voices heard. That's the beauty of America.
[Motorola Droid X2] ashclepdia:
Take it to another forum buddy

We ain't listening to ya

go enjoy your fully customizable nexus and let US handle our business with moto and VZW

Now if u wanna sign the petition then great and thank you

Just don't sit there and say our efforts are futile because its VZW fault.

We know the blame game spiel and this is going out to both VZW AND moto.

Thanks for ur time