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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
It wasn't worth that. If every member actually took the time to read the TOS and follow it, there would be few problems. It is when people come in here with a sense of entitlement that the "attitude" comes out, and deservedly so. No one is paid to be here. This is not the (your phone brand here) Help Desk. The people that do help do so out of the kindness of their hearts. If someone can't be bothered to learn how the forum works and observe the rules, they deserve to get flamed. Those threads end up getting closed anyway. By answering the same questions over and over all we end up doing is creating even more threads that show up in a search. It is far better to keep only 1 or 2 threads open with the proper info. One of the most common internet forum rules is an easy one; it is always better to post to an existing related thread rather than start a new one. If everyone observed that one rule there would be a lot fewer problems with "attitude" for your tender sensibilities to deal with.

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Allow me to tocuh on some other things that bring out the "attitude" you speak of.

This is the General forum. This is supposed to be used for things that are related to the SGSII directly. Things that every owner can relate to, hence the "General" connotation. We have other subforums to deal with things that are a little more specific, like accessories, themes, software, etc. So why do we currently have a thread in General that deals with some guy's idea to build a home-made dock? Is that something that belongs in General instead of in Accessories? And why is there a thread about Google Music in General? This is an app that has to be installed by the user. Shouldn't that thread be in Themes and Apps? And there must be a dozen SGSII vs Skyrocket threads (I even started one and rightly got my ass handed to me for it). These are just a few threads, but they are all too common examples of the kind of inconsideration that goes on in here regularly that tends to extract that "attitude." I say inconsideration because most of the time the poster puts them in General simply to get more exposure for their thread. That is certainly not putting the forum first. Forums aren't really that complicated if you take the time to read and follow the rules.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alanthemanofchicago:
"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he's gone for the weekend."

FTFY
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Its a matter of volumes. Because this device is top tier it has tons of users. As the users go up more n00bs is inevitable. If you look at the less popular device forums the n00bs are never flamed. Because the questions aren't asked and answered 10 times a week. The first few times people asked about carrier IQ it wasn't a flame fest, but when there was 3 or 4 posts a day about removing carrier IQ its out of hand.

Have you ever noticed questions always come in pairs? There is a question like How do I remove ABC, or how do I install ABC, or how do I enable ABC. Never fail soon after there is a What is ABC and why do I need/hate it?

There would be no flaming and sarcastic non-answers if the asker put any effort into finding the answer first.

I don't think the devs have a holier-than-thou attitude, but I do feel that every n00b that posts instead of reading first have a sense of entitlement. "I just switched from an iPhone (cause I am cool enough to have the iPhone before it was cool) and I need to know how to root my phone. I liked this phone before you knew it existed, and I am too busy starting my 6 figure monthly income work at home sca- ... job, so I cannot be bothered with frivolous things such as reading or clicking the search button." I see a lot of n00bs coming here with the attitude they are owed something from this site or community. Then belittle the community and whine when they aren't spoon fed like they deserve.

If you give a man a blanket you keep him warm for the night. If you light him on fire he is warm for the rest of his life.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
WHAT?! ABC is installed on these phones?! Is that AT&T's doing, or just more Samsung B.S.?

Which ROM will get rid of that pesky ABC? I heard CM8 won't have ABC in it. True? Maybe if the people working on CM12 can get rid of ABC, we won't have to worry about ICS or XYZ.

This is pathetic. I'm switching carriers. If that doesn't work, I'll switch countries. Maybe even planets.

Gary

(I'm very tempted to start a new thread to "complain about ABC being preloaded on these phones." The problem is that I think 50% of the users will take me seriously, and then the mods will get even more annoyed with me.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SSJ_Gomike:
Couldn't have said it any better....

While a lot of us know that there will always be new people to these forums and most want to help....I just got done ripping on someone in a kernel thread for stating that he tried flashing the kernel with MIUI and it wouldn't work, please help...

Well I of course read the OP fully though he didn't even need to go that far as the first paragraph was one sentence long and the second paragraph was two sentences long and only said - this kernel does not work with cm7 or MIUI...

So I'm sorry if some of us get short and testy but the lazy ones make most others look bad....and lately it's been getting harder to tell who needs help and who is just lazy....

Sent from my Galaxy S II (I777) - 1.4Ghz
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dandrumheller:
Best quote I've seen on this forum in a long time Quarlow - hope you don't mind but I stole it for my sig. With proper attribution of course! :-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Cozmo1:
Not all DEV's have an attitude towards noobs asking questions, though I can see where very many questions are asked over and over again ignoring stickies and other posts in light of opening up a thread to ask said already-answered question. Now put that into consideration with the Tapatalk XDA app where lots of people just input their query/remark without even glancing at any of the previous posts or other threads.

Bottom line while we can try, we cannot necessarily stop this from happening. What we do have control over is how we react or respond to it. Responding sarcastically or rudely won't help and the user will usually get defensive and generally more defiant and you get painted as someone with a "bad attitude" and/or a "holier than tho" attitude. For most nothing could be further from the truth. I say we should resist the urge to even reply and especially in the case of threads opened in the wrong forum, just let the mods clean it up or deal with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] DCSRM:
Heres a funny one...

This isnt specific to this forum, rather any tech/auto related message board on the net:

I have a problem, I google a vaguely worded question and usually find my answer on a forum (I dont join, just lurk for answers). The funny part is that many of the posts on the thread are, as someone put it, "snarky" and say things like "google it noob". I am glad for that noob, for if they had not asked, I would not have found.

That being said, this forum is cool, and those that are really nasty arent worth the time and arent usually contributors anyways.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] imtoomuch:
People who are rude, arrogant, and "tough" on internet forums are usually weak nerds who have no power or meaning in real life. And they lack social skills and therefore social lives and girlfriends.

Wouldn't you be rude if your life sucked that bad? Haha!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Shammyh:
Speaking of flame-bait... ;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
I freely admit that I lack both social skills and girlfriends. Thankfully, I'm already married to a wonderful woman and have two children who give me all the meaning in life I have ever wanted.

The only thing I lack in my life is a title of "Sarcastic Diva." I guess the mod's are just moving slow tonight.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] gibby_:
Great Idea

That is an excellent idea. Most new users have no need at all to create a thread. Although I just joined the site in November, this has been my go-to Android research site since I got my Aria 2 years ago. I can verify the search function really does work, I was able to find everything I needed to get it rooted and running CM7, even though I don't think the Aria was a super popular phone. I will also say that recently it has become harder to find the actual useful threads because of all the fluff that gets posted on a daily basis.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
Lol....+1!!!

Happens to me all the time.

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
Same here! I never understood the attitude either. I've never had a problem answering somebody's questions when I am able to.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] capathy21:
Wow I actually never thought I'd get this much feedback from my posting. In all seriousness I actually gained some perspective from others point of view. I apologize if I did offend anyone and looking back I probably never would have started this thread. Thanks to all of you who do develop for this device.

Sent from my UnNamed SGS2!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I'm sort of glad that you did start this thread. This forum (ASGS2) is a fast moving one with a lot of intelligent people and I think a lot of people have the same frustration as you... but this thread sort of brought everyone on the same level.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Wait... you didn't change my title to "Sarcastic Diva." Now I'm going to have to get myself in trouble (again.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Don't tempt me man...

I liek.

The CIQ spam was utterly freaking nuts - there was, at one point, people creating threads in General when there were already 3 threads on the first page.

That's one of the things that REALLY pisses me off - they didn't even need the search button, all they needed to do is LOOK AT THEIR GODDAMNED MONITOR FOR 20 SECONDS!

This goes in my signature tomorrow.

Oh, another example of a user coming here with a ridiculous sense of entitlement - he posted a question regarding a problem that was a 99% chance of (corrupted download, didn't wipe, restored things he shouldn't have with TiBu) at 7:50 PM. At 9:40 PM (LESS THAN TWO FREAKING HOURS!!!) he posts wondering why no one has replied.

1) I don't know about others, but I WAS BUSY DRINKING BEER.

2) If you search through the whole thread and no one has reported the same problem, even though the ROM was last updated ALMOST TWO WEEKS AGO, then either you have an EXTREMELY rare bug and are highly unlikely to have someone else who encountered it (but didn't say anything) see it in LESS THAN TWO HOURS from the first post, or YOU SCREWED UP YOUR INSTALL (Most likely, you screwed up, which is why no one replied to you, because we're all tired of people who didn't follow warnings/instructions.)

That's the frustrating thing - people with ZERO critical thinking or basic comprehension of logic. They can't function unless EVERYTHING is spoonfed to them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Pfft, I think you have made it pretty know that you're a Sarcastic Diva already...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Relapse84:
While I agree with you, welcome to the internet. Didn't read through the replies, but when people can post responses or comments without any form of face to face interaction, expect bad things to happen. I've done tech support over the phone, and a form of tech support (was a device support center where we'd either fix or replace phones) in person, and while I had my fair share of assholes in person, it was far worse over the phone. Not that people fear a physical altercation, they tend to tone things down quite a bit when a flesh and blood human being is involved. Being in customer service in one form or another, for pretty much my entire working life, I make sure to treat people with respect unless they completely deserve the opposite.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
Very true.

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Relapse84:
Dang, didn't realize that was my first post. Been lurking for a couple years, had to join for a download...Figured I'd posted by now lol.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
+1 With the amount of people in this forum now maybe this will enlighten some people about how the devs feel and encourage users to Search before posting.

After spending the last yr or so in the Captivate forums I can say this forum is just as helpful with some great devs. I haven't found any of them come across as omniscient or omnipotent. They help when clear and concise questions are answered.

Like others have said, whenever I'm looking for a new device I usually browse/read those respective forums before posting. The various stickies, how-to's, guides usually have most questions covererd.

If you've searched and cannot truly find your answer a simple pm might be in order.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Cheaptrix:
+1

This is the best response by a developer yet, in my opinion.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] motocrossmann:
While I love XDA for the awesome roms and great knowledgebase, it is easily the most hostile forum I frequent on a regular basis. I really don't know why that is the case. Maybe a clash of different generations / cultures? I also tend to frequent HTPC forums, and motorcycle forums, and see wayyyy less flamage there.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Are you trolling this thread? :rolleyes:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
I guess you don't visit VitalMX.:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] homescrub:
I like using Google.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Stevenrogers_420:
That's what you signed up for..

/facepalm

/rollseyes
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] PatriotXT92:
This forum is a lot better than some of the others here on XDA. My first XDA experience was the Atrix forums and wow what a difference.

Here's a little sample of the love the Atrix members give others: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1424734
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
Oohrah, fellow Marine. Thanks for your service.:cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
Point taken and its a valid one! I agree with you users should be searching but lets not go down the name calling path again :o
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] hchxoom:
Thanks for all you do keeping us safe and free - know you are appreciated and admired.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] chaplain:
Red5, I vote "yes" on the idea of requiring 30 days or so, at least, before being able to post. There are plenty of Android resources out there for people who need some hand-holding, and they can google to find those. I usually am able to find whatever I need here, just by looking. Which is why I am using this thread to raise my posts toward 10. : >)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] skatin707:
That's an idea I don't agree with. What's the point in joining if you have to wait 30 days to say anything? In that time I'm sure they would join another, more accepting, forum. I know I would. People come here looking for help, why turn them away?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I DID NOT SEE THIS THREAD YET, THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT!!!

Wait, theres a voting poll? WHY WAS I NOT TOLD OF THIS?!? I need to go find it now and vote but dont know where it is, perhaps Ill make a thread and ask for some help...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Typical response: Might I suggest an iPhone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Cheaptrix:
cool story bro
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Cool post bra.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Noz85:
This thread is full of win.

I help when I can but yup there's alot of noons here. Maybe making a FAQ and forcing them to read it might work... then again people are lazy and like others to just spoon feed them.

Oh well back to lurking.

Trololo

sent from the Dark Obelisk.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Chubby_Skunk:
I understand what you mean.... one problem...

You're about to get a taste of it here in this thread XD
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
Seem's like people are getting their feelings hurt too damn much in the GS2 forum. When I bought the phone when it first came out I had legit questions and every dev here answered them. The questions you guy's are getting flamed on must be pretty out there for you to make threads about the devs being hostile.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Misterjunky:
Initiation

You guys just don't understand, all this stuff you are complaining about is

nothing more than an initiation for the NOOBS into these XDA forums. :)

(it can take an average participant at least six months to get fully initiated here)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Simplistic solution:

For the first dozen or so posts (or first 30days), any time a new user tries to submit a post, they get a page with the basic rules on it. They have to check a box to agree (and click an OK button) before the new thread or reply is posted.

(ie: You searched and didn't find your answer? If this is a reply, you read the thread completely through and didn't find your answer? etc..)

I know this won't make a damn bit of difference in what we see posted, but it'll give more experienced members more fuel (and justification) for flamethrowers.

The problem is - there really isn't any way to stop people from posting without reading first (or searching.) I've been guilty of it myself. The "initiation" process spoke of fondly in this thread might not be written, but it surely happens. It's not really a bad thing if non-developers want to get along with developers (and actually gives developers a bit more patience, as we eventually settle down and tolerate all but the worst of the offenders.)

My serious suggestion: leave it alone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
This coming from a jar-head? Maybe if you let yourself grow a bit of hair, the sun out there wouldn't be baking your brains out. Oh wait, I keep forgetting that the corp beat the brains out of you in bootcamp.

(USN, only 1 enlistment.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
To those who don't understand...

The relationship between the US Navy and it's subordinate branch (marines) is a very special one. We'll beat each other to a pulp, insult each other to no end, and ... well... a fresh green marine crossing the equator for the first time is something that makes every sailor smile.

Yet, we are still brothers in arms, and if you mess with one, you mess with all.

(Actually, I'm not sure if the USMC is still subordinate to the USN. Does it still fall under the department of the navy?)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ccrows:
Simple, new users flock here from sites like 4chan and forget about the "community" atmosphere that XDA was meant to be since day 1.

They obviously don't care that developers are going elsewhere, including paid membership sites...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nyamoV2:
i'll give my 2 cents here as well. i'm pretty much a noob at this, but i feel the community has been more than fair with me. as you can see i rarely post, and try to help others learn... blah blah blah

when coming to the i-777, i had never had a samsung phone before (always htc) and asked what odin was/ how to use it.... and got pointed in a right direction and off i went to read read read

my point being, is that when someone has an actual question and can be pointed to the right thread/sticky. the community here is wonderful, its when after pointing people to the answer they come back and say that it was too much work to look through x pages of said thread.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Just like a damn jarhead to even mess up something so basic... The Navy never used MOS designators. We had ratings.

At 17, I went in, took their ASVAB test and scored a 96. Demonstrating the oxymoron of "military intelligence", they then decided to teach me how to weld. (For the record, I'm a HORRIBLE welder.) They even gave me a "C" school for welding. I was still a horrible welder. So, I ended up an HT (hull technician) and made HT3 (E-4) before getting out.

Spent some time on the USS Jason (AR-8) and did a WestPAC. One thing I learned from all the Pacific naval ports: Poverty and booze comes in many different langauges, but it's still poverty and booze...

The honest truth is that I very much disliked the Navy. They expected me to be a mindless automaton and blindly follow "the book" without a single ounce of original thought. That's extremely difficult for me to do. I'm one of those people that moves through life asking "why" and "how" to everything, and tries to find better ways.

(I don't think I could make this post any more off topic...)

Take care

Gary

---------- Post added at 10:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:50 AM ----------

I wonder what that would sound like if read out loud.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Ok, I think all the people that really cared about the topic were able to chime in and give their opinions/thoughts on the matter. The OP was more than answered to the question that was posed. Now this thread is just spiraling into nothingness and really has no need to stay open any longer.

Thank you to all that helped and gave ideas... but as Ron White says, "You cant fix stupid!"
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shark_On_Land:
What games run the smoothest on our phone.

And made you say WOW!

For me its drunken pee and speedcar
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] QuBe2:
Doodle jump but i can`t beat my highschore that i had on my iPod touch it was 100.999 :)
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] amedika:
the ones on android!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raducux:
SpeedX... too addictive!
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shark_On_Land:
Tell me that doesn't impress you.
[HTC Sensation] verbatim20:
How would I go about removing the application names under the icons and also make them smaller?
[HTC Sensation] Skipjacks:
ADW Launcher gives you that control.
[HTC Sensation] septix:
Every launcher have that option. Of you want smaller icons, I would recommended to change LCD density from 240 (standard) to something less.
[HTC Sensation] Psychoticus:
If you are going to do this remember that sense will look odd and i personally use 167 for my density
[HTC Sensation] septix:
I'm using a stripped sense rom, and no graphic issues (set to 204).
[Kindle Fire Themes and Apps] FoibleOfHumanity:
Modern Combat 3: Fallen Nation has finally joined the other games in Gameloft's sale, dropping from $6.99 to $0.99 for only 24hrs. You should hop on this if you haven't already!

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM3HM
[Kindle Fire Themes and Apps] rukin5197:
I keep getting your device is incompatible with this game when I try it. Should I do it on stock?
[Kindle Fire Themes and Apps] airmaxx23:
It's still showing a price of $6.99.
[HTC Sensation XL] Fekish:
Hello,

anyone know a better place than ebay to buy the Sensation in Europe?

Thanks!!!
[HTC Sensation XL] rhedgehog:
Local HTC partner/repair shop on Cyprus is http://www.technoline.com.cy/mttechnoline/

they're in Nicosia. Have a chat with them.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mtomsovic:
I'm looking for a resource that may show what bugs/fixes/additions/tweaks Google may be working on for the upcoming ICS patch - and any others going forward.

Not from an API/Developer perspective, but from a user's perspective. Like are they going to allow some further amplification of the external speaker (gnex) or are they going to do something about the pixilated profile pics for contacts, etc.

I'm not sure such a resource even exists, I've done some searching without any luck but I figured I wasn't using the ideal search parameters.