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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] autonomous-inc:
We were all newbs at one point - even still, it's expected that everyone, newb and veteran alike are to read the rules and use the search function.

It's all well and good that someone makes an honest mistake by posting the same threads over again, but when it happens by every Joe Blow that comes in here, two or more times a week, and there's already 10 threads on the same topic, and said person never thought to use the search function, has **** grammar and syntax even asking their question or making a "Galaxy S II vs. ?" for the 18th time, it pisses those of us off that actually used our brain when we came here.

See, you got it all wrong: XDA wasn't made for you and I - it is a DEVELOPER'S forum. They were kind enough to let the average user sign up, expecting us to be knowledgeable enough not to be asshats that make a hundred of the same threads. Being self-entitled, thinking that the users who want to keep the developers actually developing, not answering bull**** questions for the 15th time are in the wrong for being firm, even harsh with people that don't, then there's the door. You either help the developers or get out of the way. If the developers or power users are kind enough to help answer certain questions once or twice, then count it as a blessing. DON'T even get mad when those people are then annoyed because the newb doesn't abide by rules or use their brain.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Shammyh:
When I was a n00b I read XDA for hours and hours before I would consider posting. And I tried very hard to read as much as possible before asking questions. That's how a n00b becomes a power user. By learning on their own. Plus, if asked with humility, and a sincere effort to "search before posting", you'll find people tend to not actually get flamed. It's only when people express their feeling of entitlement to an answer they could have probably discovered themselves that problems begin to brew...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] capathy21:
I did not post this to "whine". I posted it because if I am reading something I get sick of smart ass responses. It may have been a developer only forum at one time but it no longer is. I along with many other people here are in no way developers, but know a little bit about it compared to the average joe and want to learn more. I greatly appreciate the hard working devs who donate their time and genius minds so that we can get the most out of our devices. Its not my first rodeo on a device forum by any means. They are designed for people to help others and learn. There is no place for the attitude. Period.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Cheaptrix:
I've been on XDA for a little over a year, I think...ever since I got the captivate. I think I may have 1 or 2 posts in the development forum and 10 or 11 in the general forums. I have spent countless hours searching, reading, searching some more and reading some more until I got the answer I needed for my particular question. Almost 100% of the issues people ask about have been answered before.

That said, I think you're off of on a couple of your bolded comments. This is just as much of a consumer forum as it is a developers forum. The developers themselves have made it that way.

Nearly all google searches about android issues point to some XDA thread. Developers work hard and are often times compensated for their work (donations.) Although, I do not think the main driving force for their hard work is donations. They do it because they love it and they want to share their work with the CONSUMERS that frequent this site.

Flaming an unsuspecting consumer, who may not have done enough research on their own, into oblivion only has negative effects. That person may be a donator that decides to leave, for example. I've used the forum search on a number of occasions and to be honest, it is quite cumbersome...there is just so much data to go through. That doesn't stop me but it is quite frustrating some times.

I think a more effective strategy for dealing with consumers, who may not be as diligent at researching as most, would be to simply ignore the post. This will force them to do more research on their own. Now, you have a user who does more research on their own and you don't look like a ****.

Flaming is pointless. Those that do it are jerks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Yup, in addition to one of the links in my sig being STRONGLY recommended reading:

Whenever I purchase a device, I always spend at least an hour or two a day for 2-3 days reading the forums for that device to learn its ins and outs before I post ANYTHING. Actually, in many cases, I do that before even purchasing.

XDA has clearly stated rules, and Rule #1 is to search before posting. In addition, any new users has to watch the infamous "Noob on XDA" video as part of the registration process now.

So there is NO excuse for not searching. Especially when a user posts a new thread with:

1) A question from the FAQ - it is there for a reason

2) A question that has already been covered in MULTIPLE topics that are still on the first 1-2 pages of the forum. It takes 30 seconds to skim through a page of thread titles - but users insist that someone else spend 2-3 minutes digging up a thread for them instead of spending a minute to read thread titles.

Yes, sometimes we can spend almost as much time on the flame - but at least that lets us relieve our stress at yet another user who thinks they deserve special treatment and doesn't have to follow the rules.

Edit: As to just ignoring a post - A user that didn't bother to search won't go away. They'll do something even more annoying like creating yet another NEW thread, posting a thread in Development because it wasn't answered in General or Q&A, or bumping their thread after only 12 hours. They only way they'll learn any lesson is to get a little toasty.

While donations are nice, the kind of user who comes with the kind of sense of self-entitlement that gets them flamed isn't going to donate anyway. Plus I could get quadruple the donations I've received in 3 months, and I'd still wind up with less than half a week's pay at my real job.

The amount of time one will spend searching and reading will be FAR less than the time you waste because you didn't read and screwed something up.

"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life." (Yeah, I mangled that slightly...)

This is a DEVELOPERS forum, it always has been and always will be. Without developers, it's no different than Android Central or any other forum.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Tdiliplane:
Ok there wouldnt be anyone giving noobs attitude if they just followed the rules. **** they even make you watch a video b4 becoming a member here. If you have a question chances are someone has already asked/answered it. There is a search bar for a reason. USE IT! If not the by all means go ahead and post Im 100% sure you wont get **** for it. They even have a suggested thread dropdown when creating a new one, hoping someone sees that there has already been a threat opened pertaining to that particular subject. Its frustrating to other uzers who read these fourms day in and day out seeing some kid with one post asking the same question someone had already posted 3 times now. simply put quit being lazy and search just like everyone else here has b4 they asked a question.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bigblue95z:
And it's the responses like this that go on this 'better than you' mentality trip that are starting to make it not as enjoyable. It's a crock of crap. XDA wouldn't be as big as it is had it stayed strictly a developer community. And the devs wouldn't get as many donations either. I do agree that there are some that abuse that 'New Thread' button. But in all honesty, the search feature on forums isn't that great. Also, some of the contributing members here didn't start out knowing what they're doing. They aquired that knowledge here. So instead of flaming, giving a smart@ss comment, or telling then how to fix it, why don't more people 'teach them to fish'. I may not know a ton about the SGSII, but I sure try to help anyone I can. I am, however, probably one of the most knowledge people on here when it comes to the automotive field. You can only imagine the crazy stuff people come up with to ask on the auto forums, but I've never just blew them off cause they couldn't find it using search. I've just found it and pointed them the right direction. And if the info isn't out there already, I try to explain to them the mechanics behind it to try to educate them a little more than they already are. I can't stand the ones that just spit out some action to try with no explination as to why to try this or that. At some point, that extra knowledge may come in handy and hopefully save that person some coin on getting their transportation back on the road. So having said that, why don't we all get a long and help each other out? I initialy came here looking for help, but I stuck around because of the great community. I'd hate to see people never come back because of a few people ruining the atmosphere of the community.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Shammyh:
Uhh, most of the developers and users here couldn't care less how "big" XDA is. And second, as Entropy512 pointed out, most devs don't care tremendously about donations. Yea, when I really like something, or have some extra cash, I'll kick a developer a few extra bucks. But it's not really about donations or popularity. And I don't think a single Dev here is actually living off of the donations from XDA users... :rolleyes:

And further... if you check my post history, you'd see I in fact do try to "teach people to fish" all the time. And more often than not, I'll just answer a n00b question rather than flame. And yes, the Forum search isn't the best, hence why a Google "site:xda-developers.com YourSearchTermHere" is a useful alternative.

XDA is not a n00b friendly forum. If you're a new user looking to learn about Android or phones or whatever for the first time... there are other places to do that. It's called "xda-DEVELOPERS" for a reason.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Stevenrogers_420:
Devs have holier that thou attitudes. They act like they shouldn't be bothered by stupid nub questions. Yet they feel compelled to answer them and ***** about doing so...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] striketrue:
use the search function and this will not happen.

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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] autonomous-inc:
I've got a solution: XDA should close it's doors. Go back to being a developer community only, and all of us who feel self-entitled, refuse to read the rules, or refuse to spend time searching for threads that have already answered our questions should be kicked out.

Everybody wins. No more whiny *****es, developers get peace of mind, and we get to keep our phones stock, and there won't be any more problems with wifi, or bluetooth, or programs not working correctly. Our carriers will take care of us, right? No?

No one is "holier than thou" here. There's just a low tolerance for noobs 'round these parts. Shutup, abide by the rules, research your questions first, if no answer is found, post in a relevant thread, and if no thread exists, consider making one then. If you can't do that, you're better off leaving your phone stock and joining a different forum to talk about your phone and how great it is with all the bloatware and flaws.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
First of all as some people have already mentions, XDA is a DEVELOPERS community. Yes, they are nice enough to allow the public come, download, install and request, but XDA is not a Costco or Wal-Mart for people.

Secondly, every forum has several sticky threads and rules for people to read. They are there for a reason, and that reason is FOR YOU TO SEE THEM FIRST, READ THEM FIRST and APPLY THEM FIRST before doing anything else (this includes signing up and posting a new thread on about some question without doing any research because 99.999999999% of the time, your problem has been brought up and a solution has been found).

Third, it may be a bit difficult to find all of the important threads because they are buried under tons of mundane threads of "HOW DO EYE CHANGE MAH BATERY COLR?" or other non important matters. For this reason, we are trying to weed out the constant clutter of static threads that are not needed because the answer is already posed and with a little help from the search button, can be found quite easily... or you know, look in the sticky threads at the top of each forum.

Fourth, dont worry about the attitudes that others might have in your thread or other threads. If you have a question and its answered, thats all you need. If someone has an attitude and it is not helpful to you, then just pass on by. The same amount of effort put into a sarcastic or useless post does not equal or require the same amount put into another post just to start an argument. Both sides need to simmer down (both the fist sarcastic/bad attitude post and the second and so on) and that all starts with YOU (everyone reading this).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Well, if you would have bothered to search, you'd have known that and wouldn't have had to make a new post just to say it.

Damn newbies.. ;)

(Oh, and I'm a bit more extremist than most: I resent that the "development" subforums have turned into more of a subforum where people show off their latest "creation" of changing colors on a titlebar and there's no actual DEVELOPMENT conversation going on.)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] polobreaka:
the thing is people dont read the stickies and use the search function.

on other boards, in order to post in certain sections of the forum, they require a certain amount of post in proper section or be a member for a certain amount of time. i suggest that the board admin/mods to setup noobs with no posting privileges for x amount of months. this should teach them to search and read the threads/sections in the mean time. if they have no patience to wait for x months, then they dont deserve to be apart of this forum. this should relieve most repetitive questions.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
That's a horrible idea. If I couldn't flame someone for not searching at least once a day, I'd get bored and might even go back to Windows CE development. (Oh wait, what is it called now? Windows Mobile? Windows Phone? I can't keep up..)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
The part in bold... I just brought this up several days ago. I suggested 2-3 months before posting can be engaged. In 2-3 months, if people are still around, then they have read all the stickies/rules and can see how the posting moral is going.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] polobreaka:
search you noob! :p

exactly my point.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AtlanM87:
Guys, I feel compelled to weigh in on this one. I am not a developer, nothing wrong with that. However, I do learn from this forum a lot. It seems our devices are hastily put out for sale without a whole lot of thought put into them and with sloppy and often relatively careless design. They can be made a lot better with the help of the developers in these forums and I greatly appreciate their efforts and I respect them for that. Should I be looked down upon because I am not an expert at this? I don't think so. I happen to be an expert in my field, and a superb one at that. I would not look down on them for asking me a question in my field either. I would help them.

For the most part it seems that the developers treat us (beginners, amateurs, noobs, apprentices, whatever you want to call it) relatively fair according to whether we tried to do our homework (i.e. reading of the forums to find out the most basic information etc). I see relatively rarely flaming comments when somebody really screws up (how about flashing I-9100 roms on the I-777?). So, lets relax, us not ask too stupid questions, and developers don't be too over the top answering them and we all co-exist happily. I am pretty certain that developers can learn something from the troubles end-users are having as well. Cheers and a Happy New Year to all!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I dont think that Developers look down upon new members per say... its when a new person joins (or has only been around a short while) and asks the most simple questions or questions that are not related at all. Thats when Developers get upset or frustrated because it seems that at least a third of their time, they are re-answering the same questions. Ive seen members ask questions that are answered in the very first post that explains what it is and how to install it... people just dont want to spend 10 more seconds to look, they just want someone to tell them the answer. Thats when it gets bad.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TechSilver13:
A quick Google search of your problem with an added XDA normally works out for me. But Devs should find commonly asked questions on a huge thread and put them on the first or second post with the answer. Most questions are a yes or no answer. I find myself simply saying yes or no lately. Its the paragraph response from a prick that's very annoying. If someone says... can I nandroid my rom and it save the kernal and modem to? No paragraph just a simple yes and move along. Boost your thanks count....it helps thrm and you.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AtlanM87:
I completely agree. I did not mean to say that new members are looked down upon in general in this forum, that came out wrong in the context of the previous discussion. I have been treated pretty nicely when I had questions and I surely understand that someone using a ROM or whatever and then complaining about problems after not reading up on it to begin with is a pain for the developer that made the ROM (or whatever) to begin with. So I am all with you. I am also happy to test and to report back. cheers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] polobreaka:
honestly, xda is actually very well maintained and controlled forum compared to the others ive been apart of.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
An example (from a different forum set on XDA). I did some kernel work for the GT-P6210 device. I created a set of consecutive posts in a new thread for the project. One for the project info, one for a changelog, and the third being a FAQ (frequently asked and anticipated questions.) In first post, it states " This kernel will ONLY work for the GT-P6210 model." The VERY FIRST Q/A I have in the FAQ is "Will this work for... P6200? (no)" The second Q/A in that same Q/A is "Can you make it work for ... P6200? (no)" On the second or third page of the thread, there is a discussion on WHY it's only for the p6210 and what it would take for the p6200 (specifically.)

Last night, I see this post in the thread: "does this work for the P6200??"

Had this person read just the first page of posts, he'd have already had his answer. Had he done a search the thread for "p6200" he'd not only have his answer, but he'd have an in depth discussion on WHY.

Yes, I was sarcastic in my reply. It's kind of funny, though - I do development as a paid job, and if someone from my PAID job were to ask me a question that I'd already answered, I wouldn't hesitate in ripping them a new (you know what.) For some reason, I feel compelled to be slightly more polite on the forums. (I just take it out on the moderators instead.)

Given that example, do I look down on that user? Am I having a "holy" attitude if I'm sarcastic in my reply to that person? After spending hours upon hours working in kernel code to give away for free, am I wrong when I'm sarcastic to someone who couldn't spend 20 seconds to read and/or search?

I understand the end-user point of view as well - and I'm also guilty of being lazy at times - but I won't complain when someone rubs my nose in it. Sometimes, it's just a matter of not knowing the proper keyword to search for. Then again, sometimes there isn't any excuse.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Prime example of what I was saying. Prime example.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AtlanM87:
In all honesty, there is no permanent solution to fools and the ignorant (and the truly stupid). You meet them everyday, on the road, at the mall, in the office. But it's best to keep it in perspective and look at those who honestly try, and give them some leeway (and patience), and don't throw them in the same pond as the fools who don't even bother trying. Anyways, there are a ton of really great developers in this forum, a ton of newcomers that care and give effort, and a few not so great people on either side and lets not generalize based on the few but rather on the majority. With this I will shut up. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joshyy_rey:
+100000 I was on here months before I posted anything. Just lurking threads, learning etc. Every question I had was already asked somewhere. I just had to look. People find it way to easy to make new threads than search...which is weird to me o_O

Sent from AT&T SGS2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Look at my join date. Look at my post count. 'nough said.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Stevenrogers_420:
SGSII Devs are Divas period.. If you don't want to help then don't. How can you develop without feedback? You treat people like idiots. If you can't be bothered to answer a question then carry on.. Get a life..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Well, that sucks; I wanna be a diva, too. I only develop for an under-appreciated 7" tablet. :( Hey, Red5 - can I skip the "recognized developer" thing and just be a "diva" instead? Better yet, how about "Sarcastic Diva"? That'd be awesome...

I'd also need access to a special moderator function to flame people with only a single button press... :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
We try to do that, but sometimes get burned out when it doesn't work. See gary's post above about his P6210 experiences. It's a classic one. I don't know how many times I've seen questions asked that are clearly answered in the first post of the thread (or first 3-4 posts - if a developer has multiple posts at the beginning of a thread, read them ALL.)

Note that Gary is fairly new to Android development - the P6210 work is his first kernel I believe, and he's asked a lot of questions from me. In some ways, he's a "kernel noob". The thing is that when he asks a question, it's very clear that he did his research before asking. So because he did his research and asked a detailed question, he gets a detailed answer in return.

Can I be "Keeper of the Flamethrower"? Can I get an "electroshock therapy" button?

And now, I must go get some beer. Open mic night at my favorite place. :)