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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ModestMuse23:
You're an idiot, this is standard procedure for any company to unlock the bootloader.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] grusher:
Are YOU serious? You do realize that if you are a company that puts out a product with specific hardware and software, and then someone comes along and modifies it because they want different functionality, you cannot be held responsible for THEIR actions if they **** it up?

This is pretty simple logic and has been the standard for any software company, and for good reason.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
Samsung ships almost all its stuff with the bootloader unlocked in the first place.

And you get to keep your warranty.

*shock*

Amazing. Yes, I know.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
they second your rooted your galaxy note, you voided it's warranty.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
See my point about Samsung.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
the second you change any of it, the warranty is voided. only difference is you change it back and they don't notice ;)

we'll be able to do the same with asus, unlock to a fake server! haha
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Your an idiot for accepting this. Its like I root it, my LCD screen goes death which hasn't anything with the root to do; and I'm basically ****ed. Yeah, that is worth my 599 euro's.

Really..?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
Galaxy Nexus.

But since it has unlocked bootloaders I can always restore it to stock and relock those bootloaders. Noone will be able to tell.

I get to keep my unlocked bootloader dessert and eat it to.

Seems like Samsung is the only reputable company left these days.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ToneyEricsson:
I was thinking the same - HTC tried this and before any unlock bootloader tool was let out it had already been hacked :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
sorry bout that, forgot what i saw in your sig.

it'll be the same way here, i can easily do some packet monitoring and create a fake server that the unlocking program will report too, ASUS will have no idea you unlocked your device
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
The Galaxy Nexus is not "Samsung" it is a Google Phone even though Samsung manufactures it. It's a different beast than other products. Same with Nexus S and Nexus One... Apples and Oranges
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
Ohh well, I'm not surprised they're voiding the warranty, seeing as SE does the same. And really, do you expect the manufacturer to fix your phone if you screwed it up, say, through overclocking or making some mistake while flashing a custom rom?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
As soon as you do ANYTHING to the tablet (or pretty much any piece of electronic equipment) to change it from its original form/function in ANY way it voids the warranty. Nothing to do with Asus, this is pretty much a standard practice. :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hbk19:
I think it's the right thing for ASUS to do. If someone messes up their device by doing things to it that the manufacturer warned then not to do (rooting, flashing custom ROMs, etc...), then why should ASUS have to repair or replace that device?

I think it's unfair and in poor taste for anyone to ridicule ASUS for this. An unlocked bootloader is more of a privilege, not a right.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
As far as I know this is only the case for HTC (which failed because Revolutionary beated them).

With the statement that the GPS isn't gonna work AND you can root your device ONLY if you gonna give up your complete warrenty they just piss me off.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] achuong08:
Hopefully I will get my prime by then, Bestbuy messed up my order, was supposed to get it tomarrow, but they ran out...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ToneyEricsson:
An unlocked boot loader is a right - I don't pay £500 to 'rent' a device from ASUS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
you people are so funny.

relax.

they just gave us the means to unlock are bootloader, thankfully, there are devs to take those means (like me), manipulate them, and make them benefit us

just be thankful we'll be able to unlock our device now, unlike before
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] lamlux:
Um, isn't that the risk of rooting?

Why would companies allow you to purposely screw around with software and their hardware they spent money to make operable so you can get your rocks off, then you break your hardware and expect it to be fixed for free? What logic is that..

Would you make a product thats open source, fully knowing some developers out there who may not know full well what they're getting into, frying your products, then having them come back to you demanding a replacement for something you didn't even put on it in the first place??

Really?

Samsung has a flash count, it hits 1, you're voided. Don't make up fluff about it.

You modify your device, it's YOUR choice, remember it's YOUR purchase, people complain about Kindle Fires in that manner, "I BOUGHT IT I WANNA DECIDE WHAT IS ON IT"

Well you bought it, you chose to modify it, it breaks—even if it's not a software related issue, you have to accept it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] [TSON]:
Except there's not one device on the market, including all Nexus devices, that ships with an unlocked bootloader - you have to do it yourself. It's as simple as fastboot oem unlock on some devices, but after you send it away, it's still detectable as that is not how the device was released to the market.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] grusher:
I'm going to ignore this since about 3 people have already beaten you into the ground over this comment.

For anyone saying you are "renting" a product from ASUS - give me a break. You are buying what they are SELLING - a tablet with specific hardware, and specific software, and SUPPORT FOR THAT COMBINATION. Jesus. You don't buy a car, completely modify it, and then expect the dealership to provide support when that sweet wing you threw on there to impress all the 17 year old girls at your high school comes flying off. Give me a break.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
Samsung voids:

http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blog/show/5267754-newsletter-by-samsung-electronics- (oops this was for phones...) :)

Acer voids

http://www.acertabletforum.com/forum/acer-iconia-tab-news/5-acer-iconia-now-rooted.html

There are a few others but you get the picture

I don't think Xoom is included because that's more of a Google launch product.. like the Google Nexus..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ModestMuse23:
This is correct, the other guy is just an idiot. When you unlock the Galaxy Nexus bootloader, a message displays that lets you know you are voiding your warranty, and you have to click "yes" to continue. This is how all Android devices work, and no devices ship with bootloaders unlocked.

Voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader is a non-issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
So, lets see:

You get your Prime, test it and it is seem to work fine, after a week you root it, another week later your LCD suddenly stopped working. Has nothing to do with rooting the device, but then your just ****ed. There goes your 599 euro's.

Ur fine with that? LOL.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
All other Samsung phones comes with open bootloaders and download mode.

Yes. The Nexus phones are even better, but regular Samsung phones comes unlocked too.

---------- Post added at 06:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:43 PM ----------

Yeah. Looking at the response here is amazing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
I don't think the issue is if we're fine with that. clearly we're not.. but that is standard across all companies.. It's not just ASUS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] grusher:
Hey wise one, when you root something, you take full responsibility for ANYTHING that happens to it. Are you not picking up on that?

Guess what? If you root it and overclock it, you can cause internal components to overheat, which could cause your screen to no longer function properly. So, yes, I'm fine with that. Which is also why I don't root, but I do support the ability to be able to if people want that functionality.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NastroGlide:
It is not a right. You get what you pay for, and no one is forcing you to get out your wallet and give them £500 for an Asus Prime tablet. Learn how to form a rational thought before being argumentative. Also, renting would imply they get the device back and you make payments to keep it.

Being that you're in Europe, you probably have a pretty perverse understanding of what a "right" actually is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ToneyEricsson:
There should always be an option of being able to mod/improve the OS as Android is exactly that open.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ModestMuse23:
You must be new to this whole "Android" thing... :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] grusher:
That is your OPINION - companies simply cannot be expected to have the resources to support EVERYONE and EVERY variation of an OS. That is simply absurd, not to mention the incredibly various ways you can brick your device by opening overclocking features that they simply cannot be held responsible for.

You have to look at this from their POV.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
No, I'm not. I have rooted/unlocked all my phones (HTC Hero, HD2, Desire, Desire Z, Sensation) so far, and never had any problem with warrenty.

A week ago I noticed a stripe in my rooted HTC Sensation's screen. Unrooted it, and it got fixed under warrenty. That isn't possible if they register you serial number, don't you get that?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
And actually the issue isn't about rooting at all. You can root without the bootloader unlocked.. Unlocking the bootloader will let you flash different Roms and kernals that CAN affect the product and cause damage if you overclock.. the possibility is there..

Now, if you want root, then maybe someone will come out with a way to root the device without needing to unlock the bootloader and thus keeping your warranty. I had that on my EVO 3D before Revolutionary's tool. I could run rooted apps but my bootloader was still locked.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tshoulihane:
Thats not the way it works in the UK. Warranty is over and above the consumer rights.

However, if the manufacturer can justify how your unlocked bootloader fried the LCD (and it is possible to fry LCDs with bad software configuration) then they are entitled to deny your claim. Depends on the reason though. A blanket disclaim isn't legally effective.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] benefit14snake:
If I put a turbo on my car and my air conditioning stops working does the dealer still fix it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cyi1:
Lmao do you expect to do whatever you want to a product and have the manufacturer still warranty it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
Yay, ICS =)

I just wanted to say that I rooted my phone and had to get a manufacture replacement because of the headphone port. Didn't hear a word from them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htcplussony:
I like how they put the we'll unlock bootloader in the same statement as the gps one.

Guess that's their idea of making it up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
This is great! Cheers ASUS!

I'm impressed with how fast they reacted. It's been like 2 days when we realized the loader was locked and already we have a response that they'll provide an unlock tool.

Awesome.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
If You put a turbo in your car and your engine blows up because you were "script kiddy" equivelant, just following directions someone else put out without actually knowing WTF you are doing, and don't install or properly configure your boost controller...does the dealer still fix it?

Lol, not for free.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dsmitty166:
Dude relax, you don't think that we can modify the tool to report to our servers so asus doesn't see a thing? Yep we can

Sent from my Inspire 4G with ICS!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vaanhoot:
I want to add my thoughts on this. For one, a tablet is a computer. If you buy a desktop computer you get to choose what os you want to run, for example Linux, or win 7 or even windows 98. That doesn't void your warranty. Same with a car, you have the right to add a turbo to it and they can't void your warranty unless they can prove that the car broke because of the turbo you added.

It should be the same for a tablet. You should have the right to do what you want with it and if it breaks then the manufacturer should still honor the warranty unless they can prove that it was damaged because of what you changed. For an example, if your tablet was rooted and your usb port broke, obviously it was a manufacturing defect, not because you rooted it and warranty should be honored. On the other side, if you decide to flash a custom rom and you make a mistake and brick your tablet, it is clear that the tablet doesn't work because of your deliberate actions and therefore not covered by warranty.

That's just my 2 cents anyway.

Sent from my SGH-I896 running MIUI.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slayvus:
I would like to put some things in to perspective for some people.

Want to overclock that CPU of yours? Are you running an Intel CPU? Unless it's specifically made for overclocking K series CPUs or Extreme Series, you just voided your warranty.

Want to flash your video card with a non-stock BIOS? Voids your warranty

Want to overclock your video card? Better make sure it is a top of the line video card because if not, you may void your warranty.

Install Custom Firmware on your PSP? WARRANTY VOIDED

Use any device outside of it's technical working parameters will void your warranty.

Aka

ASUS IS JUST DOING WHAT EVER OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD DOES

Modify the product away from the way THEY designed it to run and they reserve the right to void your warranty and not service your product.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theizzardking:
Right , they can't refund every idiot who bricks their device from unsupported roms or whatever they are trying to do , this is like adding 300 horsepower to the engine of your car then calling gm to warranty the motor it when it explodes...i wouldn't say its a GMor Asus problem at all, its an idiot problem and asus shouldn't have to pay for people's stupidity, and honestly at this point why root , you already got app backup and ics is coming out on the 12th for this , why even risk a brick at this point , untwist those panties and just wait and see what we get in the next week or 2 then start looking at root, by the time roms even start to come out for quad cores the warranty will be almost done with anyways and a couldn't see any past roms working better with the prime then ics will.... I'm just happy they made that announcement at all, i whined on their fb page last night and woke up to the announcement this morning....I'm a happy customer so far, my prime has been great
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
Let's put it in perspective.

You buy a PC which ships with Windows and install your own OS instead of using the OEM build. Nobody says a **** about warranty, because let's face it, a company doing so would lose all its business-clients and be doomed over night.

Now... You are saying that just because that PC has an Arm-CPU and a touchscreen losing warranty over installing your own OS is all of a sudden fair game?

That everyone is doing this?

No. **** this. You are letting yourself getting had here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
If they are doing it the right way, we can't ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theizzardking:
So if you made a prog to increase the spin speed of your HDD and it fried you think Western digital would replace your HDD for you? This is more of an accurate comparison.....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] deadwolfbones:
I'm not entirely convinced that unlocking the bootloader will entirely void your warranty. It seems like it'd only void it for damage that can explicitly be linked to the fact that the bootloader was unlocked—i.e., software issues. If, say, you have a physical failure (the charging port breaks, the LCD dies, etc... things that cannot be linked to the bootloader) I think ASUS can't legally disavow responsibility.

That said, I'm sure they'd fight you on it. Good thing we have an active dev community to allow us to stealth-unlock the bootloader and third-party companies like SquareTrade for those who are really afraid of warranty issues.

I think overall ASUS did the right thing here, with the exception of the GPS debacle.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ToneyEricsson:
Are you really that stupid? Do you think everybody already doesn't know what they buy.

Your implying when someone buys a windows pc that they are not allowed to put Linux on it.

Sounds like where you are from is very perverse indeed!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] larryvand:
Are you freaking kidding me?? You expected to give you warranty if you screw up their tablet with someone else's software??? Give me a break.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bubigrega:
For uneducated: OS is different than BIOS. If you install unsupported BIOS on any PC you void your warranty.

And android firmware is sort of BIOS not OS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnchad14:
If it hasn't been mentioned.. HTC unlocker doesn't expressly void warranty. As I recall, it added a disclaimer along the lines of only covering hardware defects. Seemed quite reasonable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slef2003:
Agree with the first portion of your post but I am a little unclear what you mean by "Being that you're in Europe, you probably have a pretty perverse understanding of what a "right" actually is" Would you care to clarify that statement please

Ta in advance

Andy
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] grusher:
...you, and everyone else here are aware that MANY major retailers/mfr's actually can void your warranty, or at the very least, deny you service if you change the OS to anything other than a supported OS, right?

Most of you here probably are NOT aware of that since I'm assuming you know what you are doing, but if you install Linux on a machine that came with Windows and the mfr doesn't support it, then they don't support you.

Linux/Ubuntu, in general, hasn't gained alot of support over the years.

Most people are completely unaware of this, because let's be honest - most people stick with Windows or OSX, and if you're installing Ubuntu, you probably built the PC yourself or know what you're doing.

Hell, here is the wordage of Sony's warranty on VAIOs:

This Limited Warranty only covers product issues caused by defects in material or workmanship during ordinary consumer use; it does not cover product issues caused by any other reason, including but not limited to product issues due to commercial use, acts of God, misuse, limitations of technology, or modification of or to any part of the SONY product.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] larryvand:
Google has nothing to do with it. It is the movie studios. You can thank the movie studios for every garbage copy protection as well as limitations to playback. Including not being able to view those Videos thru HDMI. The movie studios think that you will hook your Transformer to a giant projector and show it to 500 people... Freaking idiots. They are penalizing legitimate owners and give reason to everyone to pirate their movies.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theizzardking:
It's not the same thing and PC's aren't made the same , like i said above this more akin to overclocking your cpu then expecting intel to replace it after you melted it or using a custom app on your pc to increase hdd speeds , or heck even trying to return an item becuase the drivers you tried to use were from another device and not supported in the first place....

Being both a brit and American national I'd have to say this is more a British problem of not being able to take responsibility for ones own actions, you guys are kind of big girls about alot of things.....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] larryvand:
Not exactly. The bootloader maybe unlocked but the second you root your Samsung phone, you voided the warranty. BTW, that is true for EVERYBODY...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vaanhoot:
There is a difference. The bios on a computer doesn't prevent you from installing a different os. I am sure the community would care less if the locked bootloader would allow you root access and allow flashing third party firmwares. If there was an option in the recovery menu to allow root allow third party firmwares then it would be all good.

Edit: Afaik, android bootloader handles the boot sequence similar to bios on computer. Firmware boots after bootloader.

Sent from my SGH-I896 running MIUI.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] max1001:
How do you know it's not related? Better yet, how can you prove it? You can't. That's the point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] larryvand:
Nobody said otherwise. Just don't expect any warranty if you root it, modify it, overclock it and melt it. The only warranty provided for ANY electronics product is for THEIR hardware with THEIR software. Any user modification voids the warranty. Got it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] theizzardking:
So when you flash firmware on a tablet, what are you flashing.....is it the basic input output system???? Seems like it to me....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bubigrega:
Well it's completely different. This is why you can't compare changing OS on PC to installing new ROM on mobile device.

I think :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nuenjin:
Freedom has Consequences

I don't understand this outrage from you people. Asus 'warranties' the product to work properly as long as you don't make modifications to the specific hard/software that it ships with. It's like in construction when you stop using the plans to build, the architect is not liable for mistakes.

I'm calling "Moron' on every one of you that thinks that practice is unfair. You cannot truly compare this to cars or PC's because cars are not simply intellectual property and neither Windows nor OSx is open sourced.

Try this one, you own a large commercial building that requires it's own electrical transformers. Although you own the building, the property and all rights therein, you do have rights or access to the small room that houses said transformers; the power company has full access and restrictive rights.

The reasons should be clear. Access to uninformed or unqualified idiots will result in undesired consequences.

Edit* And the power company (Asus in this case) has the right to set rules in place to protect their responsibility.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] lancer3397:
lol. you sound such a horses ass. you do realise that even on phones that already have an unlocked bootloader, if you flash the ROM you invalid the warranty on any device. Asus is no different. you have a clear choice. risk it and flash it and possibly brick it, or don't. simples.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ToneyEricsson:
Simple solution revert back to stock but of course people like you just don't get it.