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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] randypurcz:
If you reduce the lighting by 20% you will definitely see the differences - the nexus will be filled with noise. Take some distance landscape shots out side in sunlight and then compare the two cameras. Both sets of photos look good to me, but the shots were taken in very well lit conditions. Most shots you take with you phone are most likely going to be spontaneous, and you won't have the luxury of sitting at a table under lighting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] deekjx:
I'm curious how fast the iPhone 4S's camera is. I was at universal in Orlando this week and decided to take a quick shot of a coaster as it passed through a limited field of view. I had maybe a second to a second and a half to get the shot. With my GN I was able to grab the shots no problem. People with point and shoot camera's had trouble there (possibly cause of flash setting as I saw their flash go off twice).

The GN camera is great for catching action shots! IMO the GN camera is great for my uses.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
There's no doubt the iPhone has better lense and our Nexus has better software. Just imagine the two together.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LeanNSupreme:
Just give me SGS2 camera quality with the Nexus software and speed and I"ll already be happy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] surfboy69:
Whataburger! Oh how I miss that place lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] musashiken:
The point of focus for the saltshaker pics are different. The iphone focuses more on the saltshaker and the foreground on the bottom half of the pic. The nexus focuses plainly on the background, leaving the salt shaker slightly blurred. Can you see if touch focusing on the nexus will solve that?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
I tried to get the pics as close as possible to the same angle. I actually did use touch to focus but I may have missed just slightly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
I agree. I also have a DSLR, not as expensive as yours but still a nice camera :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
That is the point I'm trying to make with these pics. The camera on the iPhone is NOT as incredible as Apple and some others on here claim nor is the Nexus camera as bad as people are making out to be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
I actually did take some low light photos the other day with my cousin using his 4s and me using my Nexus. Needless to say he was impressed with my phone and his pics were mediocre.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
For REAL photos, I agree!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
+123456
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Exact same lighting conditions :beer:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] imtoomuch:
I haven't had a chance to see Galaxy pics, but the iPhone 4 pics are absolutely HORRIBLE in low light situations! Even my Incredible (not the 2) is much better!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] edgeicator:
Actually a few sites/magazines put the SGS2 camera very slightly above the iphone 4S. The Nexus is definitely weaker in low light situations with it's smaller lense, but it's still more than adequate for a phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] guthrien:
The camera on the 4S is crazy good for a phone. To argue that the Nexus has the same abilities is pure favoritism. The tech isn't even close not to mention the countless comparisons online. The question is, is the Nexus good enough for most people? I'd say there's no doubt about that one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
That is just it, what are the amazing abilities of the iPhone?? I just showed there that the abilities are pretty similar.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Shark_On_Land:
Damn it!!!!!!

Samsung dumbed down the galaxy nexus so it won't outsell the gsii2. Just think about it!! Worse screen worse camera! What else???!! Worse audio chip (well both have worse chip than nexus s :p ) but look around!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TheBiles:
Both look like trash compared to my Canon S100, which looks like trash compared to my 7D. If I want to take photos, I use a real camera.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Lol, you are correct my good sir!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skynet11:
Has anyone noticed that digital cameras (even the DSLR ones) don't produce pictures as good as the old-fashioned filmstrips from the old high-end cameras?

Terminators run on Android...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] derrelicte:
Without seeing 100% crops, it's kind of tough to make a real judgment. However, it mainly looks like the difference is within the white balance and the exposure. The GNex has a cooler WB and seems to over-expose compared to the iPhone. Manually underexposing will probably yield some pretty good results with the GNex.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mingtaoh:
I wonder why google passed up on the 8.0mp camera that was used in galaxy s2, the one on GN is usable but thats it, under low light conditions its grainy. If GN can come with camera like the one on iphone4s would be great!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] guthrien:
It is sort of a strange design decision. One that gets constantly brought up negatively in press as one of the few negatives (besides the obvious battery issues). What sort of cost difference does a light sensor etc make? I dont believe the conspiracy theories that Samsung handicapped it in favor of the S3, though im sure that will be a super phone in comparison. A lot of phones are going to look better when ICS is widely available. Eh, such is tech.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wilbur-force:
bah ! thanks is to close to quote .... :)

i'd heard that they kept the megapixels down to keep the size of the photos (in MBs) down to the size accpeted by Google+ .... might be complete tosh but it would make sense ....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
No, they're not. At small sizes they might look very close, but blow them up to anything respectable (doesn't even have to be fullscreen on the monitor) and the differences become immediately apparent. The Galaxy S II has arguably the best camera of any smartphone I've used, with the iPhone 4S very close behind. The Nexus isn't very close to *either* of them, coming from someone who's had all 3 since they launched and *also* has multiple camera bodies with thousands of dollars in *each* lens.

The difference is readily apparent under any kind of imperfect lighting conditions. The Nexus is poor as a camera unless the picture is perfectly lit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chirea.mircea:
I'll take the zero shutter lag camera of the Nexus over any other camera any day. If you need to take a lot of excellent pictures use a proper camera, possibly a DSLR. For a phone, no shutter lag is more imporant; I use the phone for quick in-the-brink-of-the-moment snaps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
ANY mobile camera looks terrible under low light conditions and even MOST point and shoot have trouble with low light. I know you already know this since you own/owned many expensive DSLRs.

Here you go, full size. You tell me what you think:

Nexus:

iPhone:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LeanNSupreme:
I'm liking the colors on the Nexus better in these photos
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Valynor:
Thanks for the effort but those shots are a little bit too different (angle, lighting, reflections etc.) to really be useful to compare the camera quality objectively.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
Two things:

Although, yes, all cameras with small sensors have trouble with lowlight, some are still better than others. Not comparing them simply because none of them are great is a horrible argument. The iPhone 4S doesn't do really well low-light, but the Nexus is *bad* in low-light. The Galaxy S II, on the other hand, actually does very well.

And to the other point, those 2 pictures can't be directly compared. The lighting is *completely* different between the two. Whether it's because you used a flash, the lighting was different in the room at the time, or simply it was enough of a different angle...they can't be directly compared. They would look different with the *same* camera.

Synopsis: I'm not saying the Nexus has a horrible camera...but it's not as good as the iPhone 4S. It has nothing to do with me liking Apple...the best camera on the market (in terms of smartphones) is currently the Galaxy S II, in my opinion. It's easily one of the best small-factor sensors I've ever seen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clivectmob:
Good to see someone who has eyes like mine, my sentiments exactly. I love my nexus, I bought it knowing it's strengths and weaknesses, and the camera is adequate for my needs, like it or loathe it however, i'd say the iphone 4s is the clear winner when it comes to overall camera ability, but then, that shouldn't really be a shock to anyone who's researched the differencies anyway :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
As I stated in the beginning the lighting was EXACTLY THE SAME. Neither camera used a flash. The angle is off by an inch or two so yes you can make a direct comparison. I was trying to get the exact angle but was off by a tad.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] randypurcz:
Does your cousin use a cane when crossing the street ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Yes, he's actually 132 years old!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] randypurcz:
I was actually referring to a blind mans mobility cane.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] voxigenboy:
if you're into photography, i find it's best to use something like this
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Believe it or not, I was being SARCASTIC!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericc191:
Whataburger... oh how I miss the BBQ Chicken Strip Sandwich.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] surfboy69:
You can still ask for it lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] NIK516:
the iPhone 4s has a backlit illuminated sensor, the galaxy nexus does not.

BIS have better low light capabilities for anyone to say that the galaxy nexus does well in low light has no idea about photography.

In saying that, they probably used a smaller mp sensor to handle noise better in low light but then you loose some detail.

You notice this lose in detail with color fringing and lose of color on the edges of images.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericc191:
That sandwich owns.. and I did not know that. If I ever go back to Texas I will most definitely get one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JRK-Scope:
Nexus is less sharp. iPhone wins by a hair even though it underexposes.

The problem with the nexus is that it tends to shoot before acquiring proper focus. So you get many blurred pics.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itch808:
Someone who has any idea on photography also knows there's more factors to image quality than specs like a BIS.

If image quality was so easily defined, no one would bother looking at sites like dpreview or 100% crops. Yet somehow this gets lost in translation when people see a fruit phone and proclaim they have the DSLR of cell phone cameras.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
THIS

This is what is funny. I have shown evidence that the camera takes pics right alongside the "ALMIGHTY" 4S and SGS2 and yet people still make excuses and say that the Nexus camera sucks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Have you tried the touch to focus. Click on the screen where you want the screen to focus and it will have a green square when it is. Then snap the pic! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] droidstyle:
Not it you know how to use it...read the post above!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MMcCraryNJ:
I honestly think all of the bad mouthing of the Nexus camera is because most people just can't get over the 5 vs 8 debate. It's like a subconscious thing now, even though some people may know that an 8 mp is not 100 percent of the time better than a 5 mp, the mind kind of leads them into thinking the camera is so much worse than what it really is.

The fact is, there are some situations/shots where the 4S cam will look better, and there are others where the GS2 will look better, and even others where the Nexus will blow the other 2 away. Unfortunately, I don't have the pics anymore, but on Christmas Eve I took a picture of my tree lit up. It was about 3 in the morning and there was no other light source. The Nexus produced a fairly nice image, you could make out the tree and the ornaments, and the color was fairly accurate, albeit there was a bit of grain in the background. My Vibrant (Galaxy S1) would have NEVER been able to take a shot like that as you wouldn't even be able to see the tree at all.

All things considered, I'm very happy with the Nexus cam.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Popeyethe13th:
Try comparing them at night with flash. Difference is huge in iphone 4s favor
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt30:
There are really two issues when it comes to camera quality - software and hardware.

Software tends to have the biggest effect on color accuracy, focus accuracy, and sharpness - while only tangentially affecting noise.

Hardware, however, has a more direct effect on depth of field and noise.

In general and given the same physical size of a sensor, you will get a cleaner image (i.e. a better signal-to-noise ratio) with a camera with fewer pixels packed into the same space.

Theoretically a 5mp sensor should perform better in low light than an 8mp sensor (caveat - unless the 5mp is smaller than the 8mp sensor, making the pixel pitch of the 5mp sensor the same).

---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 PM ----------

I just looked up the specs and some of my hunches were correct.

The Galaxy S II uses a larger physical sensor for its 8mp camera. Each pixel is 1.4 microns. The Gnex sensor is smaller using the same 1.4 micron pixel pitch for its 5mp sensor.

The iPhone 4/4S has good hardware. The iPhone 4 has a 5mp camera with a 1.75 micron pixel pitch. The iPhone 4S has an 8mp sensor with a 1.4 micron pixel pitch.

A typical point and shoot will have a pixel pitch around 2-4 microns

In terms of noise, the iPhone 4 should be superior the other three phones. The Gnex should be a tiny bit less sharp than the 4S and SGSII.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aohus:
based on OP's post, people use their camera phones for macro shots only? ok...

try taking some shots in low/high lighting conditions.

compared to other smartphone cameras, the 5MP sensor is underwhelming. to say otherwise is admitting that you're a Sammy fanboy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] brian85:
This. The amount of denial on this forum about the crappy camera is hilarious. I know people do not want to admit it, but the camera fails in comparison to other high end smartphones. It's about as good (bad) as a low end feature phone.

*cue the "buy a real camera if you want good pictures!" And "yours must be broken, mine is fine" replies.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jttate04:
really?

guys come on. the differences between the cameras are very minimum. if you want exceptional photos, dont be trying to use a camera phone. anyways, its not like when you post a picture on facebook or something, everyones gonna be like" duuude this pic sucks cause your camera has really dense colors" or "wow man this pic sucks cuz your camera autocorrects the colors". People dont pay attention to details like that, so give up the argument because all cameras on phones are similar enough that its not going to make any difference which you use. anyways, if any of you feel the iphone's camera is better, go out and get an iphone, get off the Samsung Gnex thread, and have to put up with the iphones mediocre hardware and 3.5 in screen. rofl

:cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aohus:
^^ typical fanboy comment. he even registered just to say the SAME THINGS that other fanboys say.

- IF YOU DONT LIKE, get off gnexus thread!

- Critiquing your $700 dollar phone is not tolerated here. Good news only!

- Use a real camera then derp!

Is it just me, or are former iOS users joining XDA en masse along with their fanboyism.

i come here to improve upon the phone, not making complimentary remarks about the phone everyday.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] brian85:
I paid $730 for my phone. I can bash it all I want. And the camera deserves to be bashed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EP2008:
I like the nexus, but Samsung really screwed us on the camera. The year old HTC Sensation takes far better photos and videos and now we have 12mp camera phones being announced at CES. Considering the nexus is only a month old and a Google phone, one would have expected a better effort to make this device a little more future proof.

Having said that, I still like the Galaxy Nexus :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Take a look at my other thread and give me your thoughts.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1430172
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] droidstyle:
paying 730.00 was your first mistake. I will never spend that kind of money on a phone because its going to be outdated in a few months anyway.
[General Questions and Answers] cheesebread:
Hi,

after trying to upgrade to ICS (system.img and boot.img) RK2918 based Odys Xpress hangs in the bootloader.

Normaly You have to keep the menu key pressed while pushing the reset button to enter bootloader mode. But after upgrading to an ICS the device seems to hang in the bootloader mode even after a normal reset (without pressing the menu button).

Once I was able to come back to normal by using rkflashutil (linux) to write to complete (?) flash to zero. After this and doing a normal flash with RKAndroidTool (win) the device worked normal. Now I did again an upgrade to ICS and the "trick" with flashing everything to 0 is no working.

It seem I am not able to write to an area above 0x610000 with rkflashutil.

Is there any information available about the bootloader on RK2819 ? Does any one here as (had) a similar problem ?

Please help.

CB.
[General Questions and Answers] MCautreels:
Hi,

Unfortunately I won't be able to help you but I was wondering where you found the ICS files for the Odys Xpress? I'd love to upgrade mine aswell!

Thanks in advance!

Maarten
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] n11:
Now that Asus has officially declared that there is a problem with gps I've decided to return my open TF201 to the GameStop that I bought it from. I've read some posts where folks said thay returned their prime for a full refund with no problem and other posts where a refund was refused. I am currently within the 30 day return period but the unit has been opened.

Does anyone have any advice on how to approach the local GameStop manager. My approach is to be honest, friendly and persistent. What response should I expect?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Don't return it over a GPS how many other devices do you have that have GPS cell phone check! Tom Tom check! Ect... Lol don't do it!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Axe-08:
Well seeing gps is not in the specs they probably won't do it.

Sent from my evo 3d running ViperROM redline
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dajackal9999:
Returned mine for a full refund...cash no less. I didn't speak with the manager I just went to the desk and told them since they didn't have any in stock for an exchange I wanted a refund. No questions asked and they didn't even open the box. After I got the cash I went back to my car to get them the charger and cable lol :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
if they give you any hassle, tell them to exchange it, and they will have to offer you a refund since there are none in stock.

but since GPS is listed on the box, and it doesn't work they would be hard pressed to try to refute your claims for it not living up to the specs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] n11:
That's what I was thinking. And mine does say gps on the box.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
Hate returning stuff

Well guys, I'm one of those people who hates to return stuff. But damn it, I don't think it's right for asus to be removing the GPS description and acting like it's nothing. I know some of you are saying you've successfully returned it. Anyone out there who wasn't successful? Cause I'm thinking of taking it back. GPS is not important to some people, it is to me and I want my 500 dollar tablet to work. I wouldn't even care if asus would fix this problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TheKricket:
It's actually listed on Gamestop's own website as having GPS...

Yeah - I don't see why you should have any problem returning it - the GPS is included, and it's defective - plus, as already stated in this thread, they won't have stock to issue you an exchange...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
asus hasn't said they are giving up on GPS, they are saying that GPS performance will never be excellent due to the design of the prime, because of that they are going to stop marketing the feature so that people won't try to buy it as a standalone GPS unit, but they will continue to make it work as best as it can.

we'll see what that ends up meaning over the next weeks/months, while mine gets a real finnicky lock on sats, it works well enough for what i generally need it for, which is opening google maps and seeing how to get somewhere or where some place is, which means i am connected to wifi, which means the a-gps works well enough to position me to accomplish that.

but i digress. i am also curious if anyone has been refused a refund by gamestop, because there is no way i would find that acceptable as a customer. no refund on opened video games makes sense, but if they try to push it on hardware, that's just bull****.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jjdevega:
I'm waiting for ICS to come out and see if it fixes issues I'm having. If not then return it, repurchase SGT10 1 at Costco. I will then have 90 days to consider buying another prime or whatever next best thing to come out within the 90 day return policy.

Issues:

Screen brightness often times fluctuates under power saving mode, brightness lowest lvl.

Random shutdowns and takes several tries to get it to turn on.

Web browsing: Web pages sometimes flickers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] doeboy711:
Ok so I called my Gamestop (Woodbridge, VA) about returning my TP and getting a refund. They had to call the distict manager to verify if I could get a full refund from it. The distrcit manager told them that I can return it to any store in the area. So tonight I am going to go to Gamestop and return it and now I have to find another one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] n11:
When you say "now I have to find another one", are you planning on getting another TF201?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] doeboy711:
Yes I am getting another TF201. I just ordered one from BB a few minutes ago. Lets hope that I don't get another dud! I really like the tablet, but mine had a few issues, no gps what so ever, minor screen bleed and no serial number. So I figure I give it another shot, if not then I will sell my TP and dock on CL/eBay. To let you know when I talked to my GS I acted like I wanted another one, which I do, and said that if you can't guarentee that I will have one on your next shipment that I would like a refund. I don't like having a defective item just sitting here and not being able to do nothing because you don't have any in stock. He said he had to get clearance from his district manager to do so. I let him do his thing and called back today and was told I could return it for a refund. That basically what I told him in a nutshell.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] cekuhnen:
Hi there

sorry for being a noob but what I read online and was following does not seem to work. I rooted my Froyo 2.2.2 bought Rom Manager downloaded Cyanogen used the flash recovery rom and hit install custom rom but all that happens is the phone doing a factory reset and thats it.

I would love in case somebody could tell me what I might be doing wrong and what all steps (noob level) I need to take to get Android 2.3 onto my LG Optimus T.

Thanks

Claas
[Optimus One, P500, V General] :
Cyanongenmod is unofficial gingerbread on our phones..its a port of unofficial gingerbreakld with the latest being 7.2 A6...if you have root, than download either amonra 3.06 or clockworkmod recovery 5.0.2.1 or something like that....once you have root and you have recovery flashed.flashing roms is easy...full wipe,dalvik cache wipe, wipe data...

If you want official gingerbread 2.3,you will have to flash new baseband...I've always stuck with unofficial cyanongenmod or old baseband roms