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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] milomak:
Has anyone experienced their desktops reseting to default on the official HC build? I had setup everything to my liking and shut down the device to charge. When I went to look in on it, my daughter had turned it on and was playing with it. Except it was back to the default icons and pages configuration. She has turned it on a number of times without issue. Which makes me wonder whether there is scope for a reset to happen. Of course, her being 2 doesn’t totally throw out the possibility she somehow reset the desktop views.

To make it clear, the device itself has not changed in terms of apps installed and other settings.

HC v3.2.1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
In my opinion if you are here on xda you have general knowledge about android, rooting, multiple devices and development in general. I also believe that you probably know the tech industry decently well and follow the lifeline of a multitude of devices including android..So i pose this question to all you brand new xda prime owners...

Why would you buy a first generation transformer prime when you know it will probably have major defects that will be corrected in the second generation? I find it ridiculous that you complain about all these problem like you didnt know there would be hiccups in both design and software. We all know that when a new device launches the chances of it being "perfect" are slim to none in the first generation. This is why we wait until the second generation so all the flaws of the first are corrected.

So why is it when ever a new device launches all you smart, educated and sensible xda members turn into ignorant, over-enthusiastic tech noobs that blow their money on a device they end up RMA'ing within the first week? Does all your experience with new devices just fly out the window when ever a new one is launched? I honestly would like to know because i really do not understand...

...just wondering
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] olipheus:
What an extremely interesting thread start!

I just want to thank you for this very interesting question and I hope it's plenty of them to come! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[/irony]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
There s a very simple answers to that.

We buy early product cause we love new stuff and are ready to pay the annoyance of returning 3 defective units just to be able to test those ourself.

Thoses issues have to be raised somewhere, by people that know what they re talking about: that's XDA.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomascook:
Manufactures will also try to fix up known problems without thousands of rma send-ins. And "if" there would be a different model, i could imagine that they would completly remove the gps hardware - for example....

For me, the prime is a great step forward. I sold my TF101. Yes, its still far from beeing perfect, but thats just like the TF101 was at the beginning...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
...while i see what your trying to say i dont agree. Im pretty sure on every thread i have read members here are not happy having to return defective units. Im pretty sure they would have preferred getting a good one the first time. Unfortunatey that leads back into my original question of why buy a first generation in the first place?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Exactly my point! I own an original transformer and knew that the first generation would have problems. This is why i bought one after a couple months. Although i realy wanted one when it first came out i knew it was not smart. Sure enough, withing the first week i start hearing about power button issues, gps signals issues and keyboard dock issues.

Now dont get me wrong, the prime is amazing leap forward in tech and android. But my problem is not with the prime itself but with people buying the product literally the day its launched without allowing time for asus to fix any problems that come up.

I would expect people not really versed is android and tech, not members here on xda, to be early adopters and complaining about not getting simple functions like gps to work.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
For me its a combination of awesome specs on paper, and the chance to get a unit that IS perfect (apparently there are some! :o)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Haha true the specs do look awesome, but from the reports im seeing no one has a unit that is completely free of the gps issue. This is a complete design flaw that is currently being corrected for the second generation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
Well, based on Asus history, there won't really be a 'second generation Prime'. Next generation prime will be their next Transformer, possibly released in second half of this year.

The only difference so far has been the very first Primes that were recalled due to WiFi antennae issues. That's the only change we'll see.

Of course I may be wrong, but it is very unlikely that Asus will redesign current Prime's to work better with GPS and have less screen issues. It just isn't what they have done in the past.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] peare:
That is not completely true. I bought first generation of GTAB 7, GTAB 10.1 and Galaxy Note among many other things in the past. I dont recall any hardware defects. Maybe some firmware or software glitches. Companies do through tests, prototypes and final tests before releasing products. We know that in business sciences every few units in the production line ( the first and the last ones) tend to be defective due to human faults. Tiredness, lack of attention, etc... That is said, this is the first time a company as big as Asus released a product without noticing that metal can prevent GPS signals. That is a first time in the recent past.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Thats not true at all. Based on asus history they probably will have a second generation. Look at the original transformer. The dock was completely changed from the b50 models to the b60 to address the power drain issue ( could not be fixed with OTA update on models before). ALso to address the power button issue the design was tweaked in later models to avoid power button failures
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Im not sure about the galaxys as i have not owned any but im sure there were defects on some of their units as well. Yes you were probably one of the lucky consumers to purchase a product first generation and not have an issue. But you yourself just awknowledged that flaws are seen at the beginning and end of production lines. SO why would you take the risk of buying a first generation when you know thats when you are most likely to get a defective unit? Thats my question...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Danny-B-:
Its kinda like when you meet a woman .... you would do almost anything to get in her knickers ... regardless of her defects and instabilities.

After time you notice the defects and they start to piss you off ... the initial buzz you got subsides a bit untill a new update / model comes out that sets you off again ...

Tis the lure of something you dont have m'lad ... the grass is always greener on the other side n all that.

P.S. ... my mrs will never read this :eek: lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Hahahahaha awesome post. Almost woke my mrs up reading this. But right you are sir...right you are!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
No they won't. Google requires GPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chugger93:
I buy first generation anything, then I buy second generation, then third, etc etc. It's all about having the latest and greatest to me, and money is no object. I frankly don't care about some of these issues, nor ***** about them. The prime is still an amazing tablet, and if I need GPS I use my phone. I will never use a tablet for GPS.

For me, I will always have the best that's out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Then why do you have the HTC EVO Shift 4G? That's not a really new phone..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
uh huh...so you buy 3 generations of the same device? Cant argue with frivolousness...

haha good point
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
Android, meet Pierre, because you clearly haven't met yet. Android doesn't have a "perfect" device. Perfect means old and antiquated. Apple makes perfect devices that are always technologically behind for the sake of "stability".

If you have watched the progression of Android you will know that they don't really make "second-generation" devices. It's always onward and upward with newer CPUs and GPUs and SoCs and FMLs ;).

"What we've got here is (a) failure to communicate". You are right that we on XDA are not the normal consumer. We are not who companies ::cough:Apple:cough::, excuse me, market their "perfect" devices to. In fact, for the sake of rooting/unlocking we rely on imperfections so the best among us can open our devices and let the games begin.

Technically, the Prime is a second generation device as it is the second of it's line. Following the original Transformer. TF201, meet your slower overweight older brother TF101. We love him just as much as you ::cough:bull****:cough::. As such I was certainly expecting this device to be exactly on par or better than the TF101 in every single regard. It is supposed to be better, faster, stronger and it fails in the better and the stronger. The biggest problem is that these problems should have been caught in the design phases.

I get the image of some incredulous electrical engineer looking around the table during R&D just waiting for someone to say "Hey ****tards, ALUMINUM BLOCKS RF FFS". I imagine this was a colossal blunder caused by group diffusion of responsibility allowed to go so far that ASUS had no way out. The initial supply issues were likely due to the real world tests showing the mistake. They decided to ship the device out and pray that they made enough money from people who didn't notice the problems. This seems unlikely in some regards, but I look at what happened. I pray that my limited understanding, I used to work as and electrician so I know more about light switches than chipsets, is wholly incorrect and they can fix this stuff in software. I don't suspect the bluetooth killing wifi can be attributed to bounce back from the aluminum rear panel but that doesn't rule it out.

Basically what has happened here is not the growing pains of bleeding edge technology. We are seeing a major fiasco that will go down in history. It will be listed in some book one day next to the iPhone Deathgrip.

EDIT: To be clear, I couldn't give two ****s about GPS. I use maps on the tablet to look things up when I have and idea where they are and need to manipulate the map, but I have my phone and a Garmin unit for navigation. The tablet is too big and beautiful to waste on GPS anyway. My problem is that I cant use it to play music on my car stereo via Google Music because the second I turn on bluetooth my WiFi tethered from my Galaxy Nexus fails within 2 minutes at the longest. This is while the Original transformer works in the same condition for hours. Unacceptable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chugger93:
keyboard says it all
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] darth_suicune:
How do you know it is being corrected? If ASUS has removed the GPS from their specs sheet? For a matter of fact, there is people with usable GPS, and ASUS might perfectly decide to get the GPS receiver out of the second generation, as it's no longer listed part of the specs.

The other day I read (only) BestBuy had sold more than 5000 tablets. What would be the total sold right now? 10k? 15? Even more?. I can see some people here (in total, probably less than 60) complaining about issues different from GPS (wifi, dead/stuck pixels, dead screens), which most seem like particular issues and not design flaws. It's not THAT bad, just that for some people with the issues, it's like the end of the world or something, and they make so much noise it seems like it's generallized. In the end of the day, 15 people (last time i checked) had problems with wifi.

My reason for (trying to) get one soon: I'm moving out from my home, probably from the country too, and I would like to be fully equipped for anything anywhere i might go, so a tablet could really help out, and the Prime is the best out there (for my interests). I prefer having the chance of being in that... 2-3%? 10% if you want? that not having the chance of having one once i move.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] novaIS350:
Because I can afford it, because I can, and because I want to. I have had no issues with any device I have in my signature. We're what you call early adopters, beta testers if you will.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
despite GPS flaw, I love this tablet. I would do it all over again. I had my ipad1 about 2yrs. it was time to get something new and got tired of waiting. this tablet works great for me. aside from GPS, everything works great and its performance more than exceeded my expectations. This really is a great device and glad to be able to be one of the first ones/early adopters. plus my Gamestop warranty for exchange doesn't end till like Jan. 22nd. I might see what that extra warranty they had is talking about. bit even when that runs out. we still have Asus 1 year warranty. So we good anyways. If they were to release a revised model, I'm sure they'll let the first model owners switch up to them or something. they will more than likely redisgn back or something as Google requires GPS in order to have Android Market. time will tell. plus there's still a good chance ICS will improve GPS significantly with better/updated drivers and coding. ICS might be the key to alot of peoples issues. plus we always have developers who will want to tweak this beast out to the best configuration.

I like your original post. you made a very good point. as far as early adopters then complaining..lmao.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Most early adopters are risk takers. And for devs, it's an early start to look for exploits and etc. And it's difficult to wait for 2nd gen. of tablets in the Android World as competitions are fierce & are releasing new products rapidly.

Now, about GPS... It has more to do with how Asus handled the situation.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
No offense to the OP, but this is a stupid thread. You can ask that question to any early adopter of any tech from any company. Some of us are tech whores and want these new devices as soon as they launch (I'm assuming you've seen some of the lines at iPhone/iPad launches). For us, having the device on launch day rather than waiting 3 months is important, and we'll deal w/ any issues that arise as a result of it.

Just as importantly, once you wait a few months for all of the kinks to be ironed out, a new and better gadget is being released. At that point, you won't want the old gadget, and you'd be an early adopter of the new one.

In short, do what you have to do to justify not getting a Prime at the moment, but the answer to your question is an easy one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Evo_Shift:
There would be no second generation for you to buy if the early adopters stopped buying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
I consider the prime to be second generation, the transformer would be the first and that went quite well. The unit worked well, it had a few problems at the beginning which asus quickly update and fixed. You would expect the same kind of treatment for the prime. If I knew Asus to be bad of course I wouldn't have bought the prime. Second, if the prime had no problems at all and all was well you wouldn't be asking the question. You see, it's so damn easy to look back and say why I should have done this or that. But no one knows the future. If we all knew the prime would be problematic we would not have bought it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NastroGlide:
The Prime IS the 2nd generation of the transformer tablet. I expected it to be properly made out of the box seeing as how it is their 2nd transformer tablet.

Why are you attempting to start yet another flaming thread? Are there not enough already?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
LOL Please don't associate Apple w/ stability. No... no.

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While I generally do stay away from the first manufacturing batch of a product, the Prime was an exception for the following reasons:

-The original transformer did not appeal to me because without the dock, it did not have much additional value as an android tablet. The Prime is a sleek, fast competitor in every facet of a tablet without the dock... The dock is just extra goodness.

-I've had several ASUS products and they are the only electronics I've never had hardware problems with. My 2 year old $300 ASUS netbook has a better build and provides more network stability than my 3 year old $1500 Dell laptop. In fact, I had to buy an ASUS external DVD writer that cost me $40 to replace the built-in slim drive in my Dell which would've cost $180 to repair. That writer is soooo much faster than the slim ever was. I've had great experiences w/ ASUS products.

-I played with the Prime long before ordering it. The performance that I got out of it with the bulk of apps that the store had installed was great. The quality of photos and the strength of the LED light were great. I was just greatly impressed with the quality of the store model so that was enough for me to feel confident about buying it from the get go.

The Prime is a winner and knowing the limited availability of the OG, I had to win me a winner.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
Dead GPS, so-so wifi and connection killing bluetooth beg to differ the "its a winner" statement above imho.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
You have to remember most of us won't ever user those features I will never use GPS our Bluetooth! Ever as long as wifi and accelerometer works I'm good I don't even care about the camera add I have a dedicated camera and one on my phone!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
winner on paper* lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
So what are you saying exactly? "I dont use these things so its fine if they are broken" ?

Sure, im not gonna make a big fuss over the downsGPS because ive got a BT GPS mouse,

however that doesn't mean I wont express my gripes about it hoping for a fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Exactly it's not okay but I'm not gonna make a big deal about it their is a reason metal was used because the thinness of the tablet if it was plastic you would be able to snap it in half by accident
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
Yeah I also resent that statement. I use bluetooth + wifi all the time. Running on 3G speeds is trying enough when tethering, but a percentage of those speeds and the disconnection is pretty unacceptable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
listen here

i bought this device day one, so idiots like you who pretend to know what android is have a rooted device, potentially unlocked bootloader allowing flashing of custom ROMS and kernels I create.

so i apologize for buying this device day 1.

i apologize for developing for this device so that YOU have something to look forward to
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Lol i stopped reading after the first line because clearly you did not read my entire response. Clearly you do not get the point of this thread which is asking why people on here are early adopters of any device. So sir, i mean troll, have a great day lol.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Alright understandable, if you are strapped for time then i yea i can see why you would get it. And i say that hey are coming out with a second generation because most stores now arent even displaying the prime anymore. From what the best buy and gametop manager told me they are getting new shipments from asus soon and were told to discontinue marketing the original floor models that were sent...hence my belief that a change is being made.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Appreciate your answer and glad you enjoyed the question. Thats a good point though about just exchanging within the 30 day warrenty in store i did not think about that. LIke i said i am just genuinly interested in why people try to get the first generation instead of waiting for kinks. Have a good one sir!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Lol really? If you thought this thread was stupid then why come on here and post? Very ignorant sir very ignorant. No one held a gun to your head and said " you better post on this damn thread" lol. Seriously guy evaluate how you respond to people because its not classy at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] biggem001:
its funny cause you're calling people trolls.

but this post made be say "trololololololol" at work
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Yes but i expected the early adopters to be people who are not experienced buying tech. My question is why most of the members here on xda who know about the defects associatedwith early models still go out and buy them? I understand devs doing it but everyone else im at a complete loss for...

Lol technicality aside im talking about the second iteration of the same product. And it doesnt matter whether the prime had problems or not, the post is about taking the risk before seeing if there are any problems. Most new products that are released do have defects, so this question is not necessarily particular to the prime. Clearly we do not know the future, but whos to say we cant take a look at past releases of new products learn that defects are commonly associated with the "first generation".

If you read the responses and the actual thread you would realize that this is not a flaming thread. Its a genuine question posed to a specific group of people. If you took the time to read and not jump to conclusions you would realize this :).

Alright very fair response. I myself still would not take the risk but you make very good points. I am definantly not disbuting the primes awesomness, because i am getting one eventually myself. Im just trying to understand why it is so important to ignore tech history of early model defects to buy the first models.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
uh huh...so why did you buy this tablet if your not able to use half of its features from what you are telling me? For show, for some other work related reason? This is what im trying to get at.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pierrekid:
Lmao 1 word....troll. Good day sir
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TrailorParkKid:
this

/10char
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Half its features? The only issues mine has is the GPS (obviously) which I do not need to navigate with, and my haptic feedback is busted (also useless to me). So for my needs while there are problems, and yes they are disappointing to have, it has almost zero effect on the useability for me. If there is another batch that comes out in a couple months time that fixes all problems, sure it would be nice, but really would have little effect for me so why wait? I may have a unit that technically works perfectly if I wait, but I also lost out on months of time of use.

You pose your question as if its a given that the first run of any tech product is going to have very serious issues that will greatly effect your useability and will be fixed shortly afterwards, but that's not true.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] iheartandroi:
Dude are you serious? you are such a f*** troll stfu...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
I said I thought the thread was stupid and proceeded to tell you why I thought it was stupid. I also answered your question. Lol. Seriously, guy.