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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
No. You can't. Go download a pre-compiled version of 4.0.3 for the Kindle Fire. Again: Unless the drivers are released for any specific device, there is 0 guarantee that you'll be able to upgrade to the latest version of Android. In fact, not getting updated drivers is essentially a death sentence for any Android device. XDA is filled with examples. The American versions of the GalaxyS are prime examples. The hardware in a GalaxyS is identical (or better) than a NexusS. Yet the Nexus S has 4.0.3, while some GalaxyS devices are still waiting for 2.3. Why? Because without drivers, it's not possible to get a fully functional Android build. You can try reverse-engineering or pulling drivers from elsewhere in the hopes that they will work, but frequently enough that isn't the case. And if Samsung isn't working on a 4.0.3 build for the SGS, then the SGS will not get a functioning ICS build.

Please quote the text from Google where it says that. It's cool. I'll wait.

Same here. My phone was stuck on 4.0.1. Whoop-de-doo. If you want 4.0.3 directly from Google, then you're free to 'repo sync' from them directly. No matter how you slice it, no other phone has direct access to the source code tree than a Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mark manning:
Your just annoying, let's see you release your build. Bug free I might add. The size of some peoples heads

Btw you don't really know what your talking about, people use previous kernels all the time.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1362092

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TeflonFong:
Yes, I JUST got 4.0.2 - thanks for the info! Hopefully 4.0.3 is not too far away...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
*yawn*

frankenstein builds do not have the stability of straight up AOSP or OEM builds. Yeah, GPS "works", but does it work as well as OEM or stock? No. Low on space issues, runaway cpu clock, etc... Quite normal for frankenbuilds. Notsomuch for Nexus.

Build straight from AOSP for a Nexus and it works out of the box. Throw in gapps and you're all set.You know what, honestly:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
I can link you to many ICS builds I have done for the Nexus (bug free I might add) if it adds credibility but:

You cannot just flash a rom with the kernel meant for your phone and expect roses and butterflies to fall from the sky. If you are lucky it will boot, but not much more. The only time it works well is if the GPU and radio tech is the same or similar. Otherwise, it fails HARD without major hacking, which more often than not causes it to run like crap or have non-working features. That says nothing for the obvious instability you see.

Your example of a hackjob is relevant to the above because it has the same GPU clocked lower and is using the same radio tech.

So no, I think it was you who didn't know what they were talking about.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k.electron:
This thread seems highly redundant to me. Google is a large corporation and must go through a different set of processes than an xda developer who is unrestrained. If you feel strongly just get a custom rom. Its not hard and 100% reversible to stock using very simple tools. Honestly if you are smart enough to know about xda ur smart enough to load a custom rom on a galaxy nexus.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gabster21:
Thanks, that's exactly my point.. If I wanted to depend on custom ROMs for the latest version of Android I wouldn't need a Nexus.

Saying Google isn't supposed to provide OTA updates to Nexus users is just stupid.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Google supports yakju and mysid via AOSP. Building from either of those will give you a Google supported rom. It may not be ota, but AOSP gets the updates first. Otherwise, patience is a virtue.

Retail updates have more stringent requirements than AOSP does. This is the nature of Android, and Nexus devices. You didn't buy a device to get weekly updates or pushed OTAs the moment they are compiled (or if you did you have misconceptions). The only thing a Nexus device does provide is AOSP support and those OTAs before anyone else gets them that is not Google supported.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
but most phones the problem is the source is not released, or at least its not up on github every night for you to pull the new commits and compile. sure the manufacturer might release the tar balls one time 3 months after release, but then thats about it, right?

with the nexus google is pushing new code changes to github all the time, for all to see, and anyone to pull if they want.

i think people upset in this thread dont realize that even though google updates will be faster, software development is still a hard process and gets delayed all the time.

the nexus one we waited for 5 weeks for one of the updates. google even said "the update is rolling out this week". but then it didnt come till 5 weeks later, because they hit some snags and bugs. the galaxy nexus isnt any different. it's still the best option by far for support.

oh and the other thing with non-nexus phones is not everything is usually open. with the nexus google gives everything (close to it) as open source. how many times on a samsung or moto phone do they withold that one or few drivers that you wish you could tweak...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
You do realise that the Kindle Fire isn't actually a phone? :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mark manning:
I wasn't talking about someone like you, im sure you do have plenty of bug free builds considering you obviously know what your doing. Btw duh to the hacking part. Anyways in my experience with HTC, I don't want to say it was easy, but porting a rom or build from another device wasn't all that hard. I guess Samsung is a lil different then

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k.electron:
Dude, just get over it and go install a custom rom. bigxie's build is particularly good in my opinion and has some bonus features not even in the official 4.0.3.

also, u still need a nexus if u want the latest bleeding edge. because all other phones come with locked bootloaders and not necessarily easily discoverable root exploits. the fastest dev cycles will come for this and future nexus devices because they are released full unlockable. there is no other device that even has stable ics builds so YES you do want a nexus if u want latest versions of android.

nobody said that. google promised u direct OTAs and they do that. they never promised u that the OTA would be the day their engineers completed a build. there is a lot more that goes on both from an engineering standpoint and a corporate standpoint. be thankful that they have released 4.0.3 sources so that people like devs around here can bring us fresh servings of icecream.

there is a tutorial out here on downloading the latest build from google and building it. if you really want to be all stock and latest, download it, build it and install it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
Thank you for your great insight.

Ok

Samsung Vibrant.

You were saying?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sluflyer06:
There are more than 1 stable ROM out there for 4.0.3. I've been on 4.0.3 since bigxie first released his, and have since moved to romans AOKP. I've yet to ever have a major bug or browser problems with either bigxie or AOKP on any of their versions. I'm not sure what the big deal is. I also always run franco's kernel nightlies. Gwallet works awesome. On average my phone eats 1% battery while I sleep (7-8 hours).

I honestly can't think of a single problem on my current setup:

GSM GN

AOKP Milestone 2

Franco #12 Kernel

he_stheone Battery % mod

modded stock launcher for 5 rows and no search bar

4-way lockscreen

skinned softkeys
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mobilehavoc:
That's a lot of work - I'm too lazy so I'll wait for Google. Also FWIW, in standby/idle my GSM Nexus drops like 1% in 3-4 hours.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
So if you have your phone at 100%, and go to bed for 8 hours, you are at 98% when you wake up?

So...in other words:

No syncing.

No data.

No screen time.

Evne then thats a stretch.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mobilehavoc:
Wrong, Wifi on, BT on, all accounts syncing, no screen time (I'm sleeping?!). I did this by accident one day...woke up at 3am due to daughter being restless and unplugged a fully charged phone. Went back to bed at 3:30 and left phone unplugged by accident.

Woke up at 9:30am and my phone was at 97%. I was quite surprised. I had emails and other notifications waiting.

Maybe it's me but my phone when it's idle/standby can go on for ever without dropping battery...maybe it's magic? :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Or maybe its an exaggeration ;)

Post pics please :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mobilehavoc:
How do I post pics from something that occurred in the past? Now THAT's magic!!

I'll try and post some other pics that show the little my phone drains on standby...I have no reason to exaggerate.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mobilehavoc:
Here's a screenshot of a similar moment. Started at like 97% I believe. You can see the line doesn't start at the very top in the beginning.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Metzenw:
I confirm what mobilehavoc sees I get insan rely awesome idle battery drain. I have all my syncs on and an exchange account setup on push. And I'll see around 1% drop in two to three hours. On Google's stock firmware
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Well, grats to both of you. Not many can do that these days. Too many stay awake issues.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mobilehavoc:
+1 for stock ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sblantipodi:
there is nothing here:

http://code.google.com/intl/it/android/nexus/images.html

so nothing official.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sluflyer06:
I think it'd be assumed if your sleeping that theres no screen time. His # isn't a stretch at all. I've never turned off data or sync on my phone and I've had nights where I woke up at the same % but typically I'm down 1%. For me this kind of battery life started with 4.0.2 stock (4.0.1 was terrible, 20-25% overnight), then we went to 4.0.3 and battery life got worse again maybe 15% drop overnight until I don't remember which nightly from Franco and I'm back at 4.0.2 battery life.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
i'm still on stock 4.0.1 and i can lose 3-4% over 8 hours with 2 gmail accounts syncing, 2 calendars, picases, etc. its always been this good for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] adrynalyne:
Be that as it may, there are threads in this forum with people stick losing 30% in 8 hours with screen off, doing nothing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k.electron:
I think it has little to do with stock ness and much to do with how aggressive your sync is and some other configurations. There is nothing stock about my phone and I get about a percent in an hour idle loss.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kangxi:
I can also attest that my phone loses almost no battery when idling, especially on Wi-Fi. I don't do anything out of the ordinary and everything syncs as normal.

Just an example after about an hour.

Edit: and as you can see, my phone woke a lot within that hour. But nothing that caused it to wake hurt the battery much.
[Networking] bogdan_mihai554:
Hi i have an Dlink dir600 and i cannot install dd-wrt on it, i load the bin and i get:

Invalid image file. 'Please select the correct image file and upload it again.

Look at the picture attached'
[Networking] GuestK00332:
Your router might be a Dir-600 rev b5 or later .

Hardware later than rev b2 is not supported by dd-wrt.

Most probably will not be supported anywhere in the future since the chipset is not supported.
[Networking] bogdan_mihai554:
Wow, thanks dude, you were right, it's a b5, i am a sad panda :(
[HTC Sensation] carreaum:
Hello, i would like to buy HTC Sensation. I want great quality of camera.

I saw many patches, drivers and modded camera. They improve compression to zero. Is the picture quality really improved?

Can i ask for some pictures with a modifications?

Thank you very much.
[HTC Sensation] UKseagull:
I'm hoping for some positive replies to this, the camera on my XE is a big disappointment.
[HTC Sensation] kazi639:
Bro..in my opinion...our smartphone is really smart for manyyyyy things...but unfortunately still not smart enough to replace real camera. I have sensation amaze camera mod in my ROM..but DO NOT expect Magic :(. it gives ok picture in good light and everything. Android is something else..this is my first one and i am in crazy love with it..all modifications..tuning..but if a great camera is what u desire... I don't think it has much to offer..:rolleyes:
[HTC Sensation] carreaum:
Pls can you upload some pictures in a full resolution? Thx
[HTC Sensation] mzmo:
These were taken with the Stock sensation's camera. IMO its pretty badass.

There's also a thread here about photos taken with the sensation.

Edit: Here's the thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1131274
[HTC Sensation] UKseagull:
In my opinion, the close up shots are reasonable but those taken at a distance are very poor. At least that's the case with my XE. Here are some examples below.

Full res, cropped. This is a pic of my fireplace, no more than 8 feet away.

This is a close up pic, full res but cropped. It shows good detail.

This is a pic taken with my previous phone, a HTC Incredible S. In my opinion, the camera on that phone was far superior to the one on my XE. (Full res, cropped).
[HTC Sensation] walkinhotdog:
I agree with UKseagull, close up and bright light settings are pretty good, but low light and distance ones are pretty bad. i use stock camera. the biggest drawback is low light settings id say. but at least its pretty fast at taking the picture when u press the capture button on the screen
[HTC Sensation] Joshhedge:
I am quite fond of the camera... It provides poor photos indoors though, outdoors it is far superior.

http://flic.kr/p/aCoxnU Here is the link to my flickr, quite a nice photo imo off the stock camera I believe.
[HTC Sensation] carreaum:
These photos are taken with a modded camera?
[HTC Sensation] eilu1183:
The posters say they are taken with a stock (unmodded/default) camera. Note that the quality of the picture will also depend on the circumstances (close up/distant, dim/bright lighting, etc.) and relative skill of the user.
[HTC Sensation] kazi639:
:D Sure...As soon as i get some time i will upload pics with modded cam
[HTC Sensation] bonebeatz1234:
this was taking at brookfield zoo in chicago this summer. Stock camera why would you wanna hack a beautiful camera.
[HTC Sensation] kazi639:
Ok some indoor photo exmaples

ok..rite now in my office..took some pictures of my desk..with normal/ HDR/close up with auto enhanced off..( lighting is low to poor:p)..sorry cant label which is what (doing this between my work:p) So u can have some idea for now..will do some photoshoot when get time.i need to test the camera also :D

Hope it helps a bit
[HTC Sensation] sromer:
I'd suggest you check out this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1131274
[HTC Sensation] Shery4life:
Originally when I bought my sensation I hoped it will have better camera but my first impression was the camera is crap despit the fact it 8 megapixel.

I have used HTC wildfire s and u won't believe it the camera on HTC wildfire s is better than sensation and I'm talking about is sharpness its colours and the quality and I noticed that sensation camera picks red as pink or some what light red also the sharpness on sensation is very bad even my hd2 had better sharpness and colors but not the quality also my cousin iPhone 4 camera which is 5 megapixel is better than sensation in dark iPhone is still much clearer then sensation but I guess you can't have the best thing in life
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
The reason why pictures appear worse than they should is the amount of compression HTC has implemented. It really deteriorates the quality.
[HTC Sensation] UKseagull:
I've just taken some pics using manual ISO settings and no flash, as a comparison. This is with the standard XE camera.
[HTC Sensation] bonebeatz1234:
Shery4life the camera on the wildfire s is not better by anymeans my co worker has that phone and we both know that phone camera not that great. She always want me to use my camera when we take pictures. When I work with her again I'll take a picuture with my sensation and her wildfire s lol not even comparable lol.
[General Topics] TSGM:
One of the things I have noticed scouring the internet for tips on battery life prolongation, is that you end up with lots of contradictory advice coming from unreferenced (and often, unresearched) sources. (Note that by 'prolonging', I mean both prolonging the current battery cycle, and also, how to prolong the battery in the long term).

One big question is how you should be recharging it. For example:

Do you let the battery go down low, and then recharge it back to full?

Do you only do partial discharges, and always keep the battery topped up?

When available, is it better to work plugged in?

There are two helpful articles, both from the Battery University, which seems reliable and they have nice experimental data.

[1] Charging lithium batteries

[2] How to prolong lithium batteries

From what I gather, the answer to the above questions are as follows:

Full discharges will reduce the number of recharge cycles in your battery. For example, going to 100% discharge only gives a battery with 500 discharges, while going to 10% discharge gives a battery with 4700 discharges. Note that this advice contradicts other 'unreferenced' sources, like here:

It is better to note recharge to full

However, I admit that this is a fairly PITA rule to implement. It would be impractical to always charge only to, say 80%. I think this rule, in practice, advises against charging all the way to 100% because then your charger may put in the topping charge (how many chargers do this?)

It is better to not leave devices plugged into wall charges.

A portable device must be turned off during charge.

This, however, spawns two further questions:

What about USB charging? Because USB charging is slower (due to a lower amperage), is there any advantage to working with your tablet plugged into a USB drive? Is this better than discharging the battery?

I work with my laptop plugged in all the time. Partly, there is nothing I can do about it (Macbooks no longer allow easy removable of the battery). This means that on top of the heat degrading the battery, one must contend with the battery contunually being charged. What are the safeguards in place? I would imagine a smart charging system would lower the voltage and amperage when a laptop is plugged in.
[General Topics] Myque:
I remember when I used a iPhone that one cycle includes partial charges and discharges like if you charge 10% and then another 20% and so on you ad those until you get 100% of a cycle, this was according to apple. That's why you can get your battery dead in one year and half (since they promises 450ish battery cycles )
[General Topics] zx34:
Inntresting reading...

Sent from HTC Sensation, Elegancia ROM Series....
[General Topics] dj.lub:
Hey, thanks for this, man. Good tips. I don't want to go abusing the batteries of all those shiny new Christmas gadgets.
[General Topics] blackmustafa:
Thanks very useful tips
[General Topics] rift999:
Yes for li-ion you never want it to fully discharge.

Rift
[General Topics] tofuda:
I like the research you did here very nice. I have an EVO and that thing can't hold a charge for anything. I have like three batteries (two that come with wall chargers) just so I know I'm not going to run out of juice when I need it. I could leave everything off like mobile data, wifi, etc but then why do I have a fancy smancy phone then to begin with I want to use the damn thing. The battery is my only real issue I have with this magnificent phone. Thanks for taking the time to do some research on the subject.
[General Topics] useryy:
Thanks for the tips. Battery is important than CPU now as for UX is concerned.
[General Topics] aussiebalboa:
battery management

i found the battery manager from Market Place really useful for my I9000 Galaxy S on ICS
[General Topics] iLogic86:
thanks for the good information
[General Topics] tom247:
Thanks for this news :)
[General Topics] mwcashmoney:
If your worried about power "cleanliness" you could always get a power conditioner to guarantee level output.

Now with batteries being able to be replaced easy enough (droid user) and with in my price point I don't give it too much thought.
[General Topics] holdengtsr1:
Thanks for the great info, should be a big help :)
[General Topics] motopsycho87:
Glad I have insurance.... battery dies, they give me a new one!-
[General Topics] ikamil:
3G or 2G

Had someone checked, if using 2G instead of 3G giving the much better battery life?
[General Topics] kingnothing189:
If you are asking if you get more battery life with 2G than 3G, I think it's the same. The battery life should be less if you have the option "use 2G/3G preferred" because the phone searches simultaneously for 2G and 3G frequencies :)
[General Topics] YeloSub7:
Now that you bring that up, has anybody compared 3g to 4G battery life?
[General Topics] albo23:
Thanks for the tips. It really does get confusing when coming to batteries.
[General Topics] bdeserme:
Thank you for the advice
[General Topics] Jwomack:
i agree...and have found this all true in my own studys and doings
[General Topics] moffa~:
Thanks for the info, now to find an app that stop charging my phone @ 80%. Lenovo has that software for their laptops, so maybe it's not too hard to implement. Wonder if it's something built-in to the battery or if it's just software based.
[General Topics] :
stopping at 80% would be a little hard...but charge at 20% would be possible..I have 2 batteries so I can change it when the first reach 20%..thanks for ur info :)
[General Topics] Skippermark:
Thanks for the article. Can never have too many tips about extending battery life.
[General Topics] Akatosh:
well

As far as I know. To keep your battery happy and longer-lasting keep it at about 40%-80%. Also just simple things help, keep your brightness low, don't have too many processes running,keep your timeout low and don't let your battery overheat. IF you are Really bothered by the batter life just buy a more powerful one. There's some for HTC phones that are about £11 ($16.8278) for a battery that is 1920mah.

FYI respect to V6-Maniac, probably the best DEV out there. Helpful and loving his work!!!
[General Topics] votinh:
I have to say thank to OP, reading this thread triggers me to do some research and here's a few:

+ A portable device should be turned off while charging.

+ Avoid deep discharge and instead charge more often between uses.

+ Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.

Those above are 3 important keys, while the first one probably "not ideal", the last 2 basically say: don't let the battery drains to the point of it shuts down automatically, also don't (no need to) charge the phone to 100% (meaning don't charge it for too long).

Amazingly, I thought I read somewhere it says: once a month, let the phone to COMPLETELY discharge (phone turns off itself) then fully charge to 100% or 8 hours or so.

Dang! I shouldn't follow those.
[General Topics] Johnny Sorrow:
So...don't charge the battery to it's capacity? :confused:
[General Topics] Hunt3r.j2:
More importantly, don't keep it at full capacity too long. The longer you keep it there, the more the internal battery's anode and cathode will corrode from the high voltage, and the faster your battery capacity will drop. A few hours will be okay, but the longer you keep it charged, the more issues that happen.
[General Topics] JesseMT4G:
Interesting read and currently seem to be doing everything opposite of what is recommended in here, lol!

How the heck could you only know you are at 80%? Easy to watch it when it is low. I usually plug mine in the bed and let it charge.

I thought I read somewhere else that you can leave these on chargers as the charger will know when it is at full capacity and stops charging?
[General Topics] ps3ia:
I charge up to 100% and it gets to 90% in a few minutes :\ annoying
[General Topics] slingesh:
This is very useful. thx.