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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bunklung:
MHL will only charge the phone via USB. You can't use USB data. Bluetooth is your only option for external hardware input (controllers, etc... but not thumb drives)

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I said it would charge your phone at the same time, but it's limited to 500ma. Nexus reports as USB charging, not AC charging. So if you intend to watch a long movie and game real hard via emulation and bluetooth, your phone will run out of battery.

Another poor design decision. They should have just put a HDMI port separately. MHL fail.

The only saving grace will be using the pogo pins to charge the phone via AC so you can get 1A charging while using MHL.

MHL fail.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] justin94:
Update!!!

Just received the mhl adapter and HDMI cable. Its plug and play, however, it does require power..... so my hopes of getting this to work are almost over..... except that I fairly good with electronics. So I'm going to do some splicing and dicing and see what works.

Don't worry, if it works I will post a full tutorial
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] justin94:
Update bump.

Just got the otg cable. Tested and works with stick mount. Later on tonight I will try to get them working simultaneously
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kwoolf1:
anxious to know how it works out. I've got the MHL and HDMI. It works but when I pulled the usb power the MHL went lights out so it may only be for power source. but you never know.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itsjusttim:
Unfortunately from what I understand that's all its for.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
Any news yet?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] justin94:
Sorry everyone. Due to some family issues I have really had time to sit down with array of electronics to try and make this work. Hopefully I can get to it before this weekend
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
Justin94,

How do you plan to plug the MHL/HDMI adapter and USB OTG into the the GNex since it has one usb port. This has baffled my mind.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] justin94:
Some type of splitter configuration.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sucker4pa1n:
I would think with the signalling involved with USB, and the unique nature of MHL, you're going to have a huge challenge on your hands. From what I've read, it seems as though there is either a software or hardware "detector" that decides what type of communication will come from the pins.

You've got more cajones (or electronic gadgets/cables) than I to fiddle with this, so you've got props from me!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AfzalivE:
The MHL adapter has another microUSB port for power, maybe he's thinking of doing something through that.

Question: Can't the official HDMI dock do this?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mrc527:
I think it's not possible, but I really hope to be wrong.

BTW, is it possible to have an USB host attached to the phone through a Bluetooth connection?

We can use it with MHL cable, usb charge and a bluetooth connection to the "usb host"....there is something like this? :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cmac86:
What about using a usb hub? Just throwing it out there. I believe the others who say its either a MHL signal through the port or USB data, not both. Two protocols sharing one port. Could be proven wrong I guess.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] catpunt:
i couldn't get any usb peripherals to work with a usb hub, i tried 2 different hubs, one having external power. also i tried plugging in the otg adapter to the power port on the mhl adapter and that didn't work either.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bunklung:
About a year ago Tim Wong (I think it was his name). He looked just like Tim Wong at least. He did a quick interview on MHL and the interviewee asked about USB data and he said it would NOT work. Can't find the video :(

Also, found out officially MHL charging is limited to 500ma which means our phones will die after prolonged MHL use:

http://mhltech.org/about/FAQs.aspx

Question 4, bullet 4.

Talk about short sighted.

*Update* Found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA#t=7m26s

Return channel info seems proprietary RCP (remote control protocol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA#t=3m40s

Watch the entire thing, it's long but informative. The interviewer asked some great questions. That is Tim Wong who is now president of the MHL consortium.

Newer interview, but not much more info:

http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/MHL-Consortium-HD-interface;CES-2011
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
I think bluetooth is the way to go. But I want this project to work so I use my xbox360 controller on my GNex games.

I wish they made a bluetooth xbox360 controller that work on Android. I like the feel of the xbox controller over the playstation controller.

Sent from my Droid Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] flavoristic:
How are you planning to connect the Xbox controller?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
Usb xbox controller. If USB ORG work at the same as MHL/HDMI.

Sent from my Droid Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sucker4pa1n:
Saw a video with someone testing OTG with this adapter and it worked:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000HZFCT2/ref=aw_cr_d_videogames
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
I have look at that before but the GNex. But you still need usb for MHL/HDMI. That is why I want bluetooth controller without the adapter. But we will see.

Sent from my Droid Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Clarkkent434:
Justin94,

How is the project going? I don't want it to die.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Colemak:
Quite honestly I'm unsure why OTG is really being such a big deal right now. The PS3 Dualshocks currently work with a lot of Android devices (and I believe the Galaxy Nexus, though correct me if I'm wrong), and paired with Samsung's (yet to be released) HDMI Docking Station via bluetooth which simultaneously charges and mirrors over HDMI you're all set for watching movies or playing games (with up to 4 people, no less). At least that's what I'm planning on doing.

And for those not liking the PS3 Dualshocks or other working controllers keep in mind that ICS has native support for gaming controllers which most likely will bring controllers like those from the 360 to work with our devices (even if not officially from google).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
Well the original topic is about playing movies off a USB Hard Drive to the TV through the phone. Honestly there are better ways of doing this (like a $59 Roku box with a built in USB port).

For controllers, the PSx really is the best way to go. Sure I'm a Xbox guy myself but you have to move out of stupid biases. You have your wireless options and the PSx is the best and cheapest solution for playing games on the big screen.

This is the downfall of MHL. I hate sharing the USB port. Give me a dedicated HDMI port any day ala LG G2x. Full on USB port + microHDMI port FTW!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DaviD202:
How about a landscape dock witch uses the side pins?

You can connect the USB OTG to the dock and the MHL+charger to the usb port.

:cool:

I think this would be the best usage of this setup.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Kiusugi:
Oh, wonderful Accessories, i can using MHL Cable with this dock or i need to use only microUSB cable for charge my GNex?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jnutz:
Like someone else already said I hope I am wrong but I do not think it is possible. The problem is the mode required for MHL and the way the MHL adapter works. But lots of things have been called impossible only to have someone later prove it is possible so only time will tell. Good luck guys...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] subvertz:
I was able to control my GNex using a wiimote and a market app well enough to play/rewind/navigate movies through an MHL to the TV.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] millenniumccdc:
USB/BT Bluetooth OTG Stickmount

Use the USB/BT app .

OTG Host adapter plugs into

the wireless Xbox 360 dongle for PC.

Sync via USB/BT app.

Set and config buttons.

If you underclock . Voltage must be set high enough to power MHL adapter. Underclocking will disable HDMI. Enjoy PSX emulator with wireless 360.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BeerChameleon:
Have the app..

Have the both MHL adapter and OTG adapter

Have The Xbox controller

Don't have the dongle

But i still don't understand how you are suppose to connect it to your tv? :confused:

I don't think it will matter cause i think i will just go the easy way with the ps3 controller. However would be nice to use all my 360 controllers :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wickid_d:
What about just using a micro usb splitter? Run the mhl off one side, and the otg off the other? I mean, you have to power the mhl adapter with the micro usb power adapter for it to put out the video signal, but you could have the other end of the otg going into a usb switch (or switch/hub combo), and see about controlling the phone that way via regular mouse and keyboard. I'm not sure how well this would work, but better than splicing and dicing, and possibly screwing up the different adapters to the point of having to order all new stuff. Not doubting your abilities by any means, I just know from personal experience doing similar projects, lol.

But I've wondered this exact thing myself for a while of possibly using both together - just didn't want to shell out the money until I heard it was confirmed as working or not working.

Peace,

~WickiD~
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] subvertz:
The circuit that runs the micro USB port can only do 1 function at a time. It cannot put out HDMI and host a USB peripheral using the same pins simultaneously. Sorry, I wish it could. I have tried it, no worky worky.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wickid_d:
Well, my thought on using a usb switch (as opposed to straight hub) is quite simple.. Block out the vid signal just BARELY long enough to get mouse and keyboard input.. Then it shows video again.. May get some flicker but shouldn't be much..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fattybunter:
This doesn't make any sense. How are you going to hook up an MHL adapter while the OTG Host adapter is already plugged in? Are you splicing something?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wickid_d:
Yeah, if you know anything about general electronics, and usb, you're right. Splicing is actually a BAD idea in this case, because the polarities of pins 3 & 4 are switched, depending on which one you're shooting for (input or output), which is why I suggested a usb switch, that would automatically switch the polarities, safely, in a matter of milliseconds.

But hey, the dude's intuitive. I'll give him that. Lol

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Sent from my phone

using my finger... ;)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] caioketo:
Via microUSB its not possible, couse all uses the same pins.

I'm working out on an attempt to enable USB (OTG) via POGO pins, not sure if its possible, but I'm trying it out.

If is there any kernel development to help me out here it would be faster and better.

Anyway, if I got anything working, I'll post here.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Alex Castillo:
Does this works?

http://www.ptec.com.tw/index.php?type=product&id=237
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ad astra:
hope it works! the best addition to a phone like the nexus would be a dock that allowed it to rest in landscape mode while enabling MHL HDMI + USB OTG + charging.

that would certinely rock!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
LOl! i think i was the only crazy person trying to do that!

already bought everything from china and waiting.

i will do this:

OTG cable connect to gnex

usb hub to otg cable

mhl cable to usb hub using this adapter (http://www.ebay.com.hk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130704842867)

let see how works....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ronaldo_9:
It will not work!

That is why Samsung did 11 pin MHL, so the standard 5 pin are used for OTG and rest for MHL.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leptone:
justin94 any update?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mohawker2000:
oh man this is a very interesting idea. My HDMI output has a power output as well. If there is a USB attachment (the dongle's) with a power output as well then problem solved. i'll be looking as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Doronush:
How about this approach?

How about not using MHL to HDMI at all, but using this:

OTG + USB HUB + USB DISPALY ADAPTER

I guess the only question with this configuration -

Can Android support a usb display adapter?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] theprofects:
Your Solution!!!

Your Solution!!! Dock Samsung EDD-S20JWEGSTA, u can buy on amazon.com, can connect keyboard, mouse, HDMI, and speaker!!!:laugh:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mromutt:
that wont work thats for the note 2 and s3 and used the 11 pin micro usb, the nexus only has the 5 pin. i wish we could use that :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] morphixz0r:
Pitty.. I got annoyed with this and just use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] elmonch:
What about this device?

http://www.heisei.com.tw/products/m.../hau-662si-mhl-to-hdmi-usb-hub-media-adapter/

Will it work for us?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mromutt:
not really, we only have 5 pins and to do both things at once you need the 11 pins
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wickid_d:
Now hold on, it says nothing about how many pins it has (just that it's a micro b - I looked at the actual pdf file on the page), and it says it has the auto-switching circuit that I mentioned earlier would have to be included in order to do something like this, safely, so I don't know if I'd count it out just yet.

Just putting that out there..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pietergbosma:
doesn't matter, it says: "Auto-detect switches to MHL function or PC/NB data link", too bad.;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itllsendamsg:
Samsung HDTV Adapter + CyanogenMod 12 Android Lollipop

Good afternoon :)

I have recently bought the original Samsung HDTV adapter for my Galaxy Nexus and there is a thing which interests me so much that I need to ask if anyone of you has ever found the answer for such a question, i.e. 'is this adapter compatible with the custom ROM or is it just the stock ROM that would work with this ROM?

Any feedback highly appreciated :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EigentlichPeng:
need help for shopping XD

hi Guys ,

I need a little bit of assistance in relation to shopping XD

I would like to sell my gaming computer and i will use my smartphone to replace it ..

i search a phone who i can connect OTG ( Keyboard and Mice ) and HDMI simultaneously +

maybe an extra usb port for some storage or other stuff ....

is this now possible or not ?! i now the samsung galaxy s2 have 11 pins some other devices 5 ? or 4 ? pins ...

my qwestion is can i buy a samsung galaxy s3 + maybe this ->http://www.dx.com/p/2-port-usb-2-0-...ng-dock-for-samsung-white-339353#.VdVCYIx0uDh ..

to use the smartphone like an pc ?!

maybe some germans are read this , and maybe they can write my an pn ... i will be easyer for me to

speak .....

hope for help.....:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Bullfrog098:
Idea

Ok soo what if, im just thinking, you get a otg connect it to a powered usb hub, then get a usb to hdmi adapter. Has anyone tried that? That ne awesome if that worked.
[Nokia Lumia 800] datron100:
this lumia 800 chargin and later not open. Hard reset for press hold vol.down + camera + power key and vibration run but not hard reset this phone. Help me please:(
[Nokia Lumia 800] apollo15rover:
I hope this doesn't sound stupid, but I have found I can't turn the phone one while the power cable is connected. Once I remove it, the phone comes right up..
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kakkarut:
hey hi guys bumped into some problem and cant get out of it ...try to help me out...flashed the KP8 firmware this morning didnt liked it ...kinda hate touchwiz and yeah no such awesome feeling with ics too:D anyways the problem is when i tried to downgrade it to 2.3.5 i couldnt and the problem is its not getting anywhere after boot it is stucked there also if i try to boot into recovery it is like i cnt mount anything not even efs,sd card or anything ...so i think i am stuck between two wells :p.....cnt go to recovery neither can my old firmware is booting ... and one other issue somehow using kp8 i got the recovery and did a restore of my nandroid backup but i dont know mayb i bricked the modem or something i cnt make or receive calls....its not taking the network....big bumper guys..help me out...
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Danaim:
Have you tried putting the phone into download/Odin mode and flashing a ROM that way?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
....................................

Clean Slate for those that balls up the firmware .Or need to return to service or decide if its hardware/firmware problem .

Confirmed clears leaked beta test rom KP8.

Backup data first if phone is working .

Boot CWM recovery

Mounts and Storage

Format cache data system sd card .

Remove battery

Boot to download mode

Open Odin

Install correct stock firmware .

If it sticks at boot factory reset .

jje
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] postfatal:
If you boil it in hot water for a few minutes it should kill any problems. Alternatively you could try and sprinkle with Hydrogen Peroxide powder and then wash thoroughly. That normally kills all the bugs.

Oh, you meant leaks.

On a side-note, why do you inexperienced users flash things onto their phone that they don't understand?

And yea, do what JJE said.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cedric123:
Thats a question i ask myself every day....... plz noobs read faq and get some android/flashing knowledge before bricking ur phone...!
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GRiM-UK:
Your writing is awful dude. Sorry.

Whats with all the "..." and lack of grammar/punctuation etc?

I mean non of us are perfect but you could at least try. :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdynak:
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.

I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.

So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.

My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.

In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).

So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..

Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gregnetz18:
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdynak:
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gregnetz18:
Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdynak:
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.

Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.

That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.

Let me know if you have specific questions.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] littleemp:
This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.

I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.

EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] keitht:
I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.

Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] keitht:
I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.