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[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] twingrls:
I also upgraded to HC 3.2 15 minutes after opening box. I've personally never experienced any lag. That's just me. If it gets better than this I'm all in.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] bdfull3r:
10.1 devices from what i understand are landscape bias, smaller devices like our 8.9 are portrait bias.

As for Touchwiz, its touchwiz, its a laggy overlay that is a completely unnecessary and drains precious resources when we have a usable dailt driver ICS ROM out of the Galaxian Soup? guys. Most of the lag will be gone. Look at the 10.1 ICS alpha ROM, night and day difference
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Zoidpilot:
A word to the wise:

Live wallpapers lag the hell out of this tab. Not rooted stock anyways...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] 0okami:
Confirming lag out of the box on 8.9 with TouchWiz. If it were not for ADW Launcher EX showing it CAN be smooth, I would have returned the tab.

Why do people like TouchWiz? I don't really understand. Its quite a resource beast for not much functionality.

just my opinion.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Please understand, TouchWiz is not the problem. Try something simple, turn your tab to portrait, now swipe the homescreens... do you see lag? No.

It's hardware problem and all Tegra 2 tabs have this problem, with one big difference, they have this problem in portrait mode and we have it in landscape. On GT8.9 the screen is rotated 90 degrees and thats the reason we have it in landscape.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] nirogu325:
I think Samsung did that 90 degrees rotation on purpose. They thought people would use the 8.9 more in portrait than in landscape mode due to its hardbook form (reading and some light web browsing). Then they left the landscape mode as the default for the 10.1 thinking its users would tend to use the big screen for movies and such.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] DBBGBA:
I agree, it must be for that reason and I do use it mostly in portrai mode.

Honestly the lag with HC3.2 is not that bad. I'm not big in useless customizations but I like the small applications that appear at the center of the tab without closing your current app. It makes writing down notes or calculating something very quick just like in a laptop. I think android should come with their own set of this tiny apps.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] yaknrugger:
I would disagree with that since the layout on the 8.9 tab would indicate it was designed for landscape mode. The way the logos are positioned (front and rear), camera position (front and rear), and 30 pin connector location would suggest.

Compare that to the layout of the above items on the GTab 7.7 or smaller GTabs, now those were designed with portrait in mind.

I also had the same crappy lag on tocuhwiz UX with HC 3.1 in both portrait and landscape. I flashed overcome and installed ADW and haven't looked back. The tab rocks now.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] got556:
I really hope aftermarket and dev support pick up for this.

This would instantly pull me from wanting a Xyboard 8.2

There are some appealing features to me on the 8.2 but it's been DOA for the most part.

With the 8.9 it just worries me the same as the Xyboard. At least there is root and rom. Just need the aftermarket to pick up.

Not gonna lie, a huge basis of my choosing a tab is if I can get a really stout case for it. I need Otterbox or Gumdrop to do something for this tab.

Emailed them both and neither have responded....which isn't really impressive to me considering I've bought three cases from Gumdrop and 4 or 5 from Otterbox...:mad:

8" tabs are the future...7" is almost too small and 10" you can only do so much with. 8" is absolutely perfect.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] yaknrugger:
Agreed.

You would think gumdrop would have one on the way for the 8.9 since they did a 10.1 version...I don't like the added thickness so a TPU case works for me.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] jhwbg:
Also turning of all animations in settings might make the tab more smooth.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] ibanezq:
I've the same problem. Any solution?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] nirogu325:
ADWLauncher EX.

Sent from my SGH-T959.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] xpla:
TouchWiz is simply not usable ...
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] ibanezq:
OK, but how to import a TouchWiz widgets to ADW?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Bateluer:
Played with a Tab 8.9 for the first time today, and was a little shocked at how much it lagged compared to the 10.1. They both have the same Tegra 2, 1GB of RAM, screen res, etc.

I was close to buying one, as I like the size and weight. But that lag and stuttering was appalling. If Samsung can't make TouchWiz work, then they shouldn't be using it on their devices, especially when the UI in HoneyComb/ICS is already highly polished.

There seems to be a few ROMs and builds out for the 8.9 though.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] pseudoheld:
yes. touchwizz is a very laggy and badly made product.

if you want stable and fast you should try overcome rom.

if you feel like experimenting you should try the latest ICS Alpha's. they are pretty stable already but have some bugs every now and again. (as to be expected from an alpha)

all in all this tab is much more responsive with a custom rom!
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Please read before you post, i have said this many times already, it's not Touchwiz that's lagging. The problem is Tegra 2 and the fact that GT8.9 screen is rotated 90 degrees. All Tegra 2 tablets have the same problem, only difference is that ve have it in landscape and all other tablets have it in portrait. Turn you GT8.9 to portrait and you will see it is as smooth as any other tablet in landscape.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Bateluer:
I don't see any lag on the Asus Transformer or Moto Xoom in landscape or portrait, and the Tab 8.9 I played with had the same lag in both.

Given my past experience with TouchWiz, I am pretty sure it is actually TW that is lagging.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] ad_insane:
I agree with you. It´s lagging in both with TW. Nowadays I use SPB Shell and lag is not so obvious.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Try a google search if you don't want to believe me.

A few examples:

Xoom > http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958

GT10.1 > http://galaxytablife.com/2011/06/honeycomb-lag-issue-detailed-on-galaxy-tab-10-1/

And we have exactly the same problem, only difference is that we have it in landscape. This is because on GT8.9 the screen is rotated 90 degrees. Now you probably don't believe me again, so check your build.prop file in system folder, you will find the following lines there:

#Samung HWLCD Rotation

ro.sf.hwrotation=90
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] bigbrovar:
I can confirm this. most of the issues people have with honeycomb tablets especially as they concern lagging portrait home screen scrolling (landscape in gt89) also laggy screen rotation is mainly due to the miserably low fillrate of tegra2 which makes it pass some part of UI rendering to the CPU. ICS improves things (especially the alpha build I installed on my tab) but its just tries to use software to by pass the problem. Its the main reason I sold my tablet and is getting a transformer prime. the GPU there has more than twice the fill rate of tegra2 and overall a much better performer.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Bateluer:
I didn't say you were wrong. :P Just that I observed the same lag in both modes on the 8.9, and didn't see it at all on the TF/Xoom in either mode.

I really like the size of the Tab 8.9, it seems perfect in that area. And I may still pick one up in a week or so, since installing a different launcher negates the lag.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] zazonk:
hi, is it possible to change the default orientation to landscape so that the 8.9 lags in portrait like the 10.1 ?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] poisike:
Of course, just remove this line "ro.sf.hwrotation=90" from build.prop

This does exactly what you want, only small problem is that this doesn't change touch sensor orientation, so it's a little difficult to use the tablet after this change ;)

IMPORTANT: If anyone wants to try this, i really hope you know how to adb push a unedited build.prop back, i'm afraid it's not possible to edit the build.prop on tablet after this change.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] sbeddoesdesign:
The homescreen lag doesn't bother me enough to change rom (unless I'm flicking back and forth between homescreens to test the device/out of boredom) and lose the good stuff. I really like TouchWiz's design and additions (IMO the browser, keyboard, and general UI look way better in white and grey than the cheesy blue and black gradients of vanilla Honeycomb, and I do make a lot of use of the Social Hub) so I'm not about to modify the device unless it's just a simple hack to speed up the stock rom.

Has anybody tried overclocking perhaps?
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] pseudoheld:
well you can root your device, install recovery manager, then flash a new kernel (_motleys) then install setcpu and overlock your cpu without touching the rom.

should definately give you a performance boost!
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] username235:
Is this really a widespread issue? I'm thinking of getting the gt8.9, over my transformer, due to the screen size and some wifi problems. I actually like touchwiz, only on tablets though, after using the port for the transformer. Just would hate to have a really laggy experience on it, because I like landscape over portrait.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] Zhousibo:
Only thing I can suggest is to try in store. Based on the number of threads and comments, I think it is a real issue.

I got mine a week ago having almost bought the transformer prime. The prime's speed was amazing but in the end got the 8.9 for the size. There is nothing in the market like it. Hoping ics will fix things. I actually like TW and lag is bearable (I had a galaxy s previously) for me.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] username235:
I'll try to head to best buy sometime then, I think I'd like the screen size and overall weight better, definitely
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] nirogu325:
Comparing lag between firmware KJ5 and LA3 (the newer one for the 7310), I must say they've gotten better at it. A skin like TW will always pull resources, and expect that once more in ICS. All we can expect is a more tolerable lag, or just switch to a pure AOSP or CM based ROM. By the time official ICS reaches us, so will the necessary source to fully optimize the Betas and Alphas available today in the Development forum.
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] smashmix:
For example, I forced to use stock, oh, and also laggy like hell Touchwiz, because I'm selling theese babies and I should be able to show customers THE stock Tab.. Our customers are from 1X up to 8X age, so it should be as stock as possible. You know.. It will be wrong for customers to show different launcher from what they get from box.. Also I don't want to root this Tab cause it's not mine (owner is company I work for). Well if it was mine -> root and get Touchwiz to hell out of Tab -> use some other launcher :-)

Is there any other choice for me, please pm :-P
[Galaxy Tab 8.9 General] sbeddoesdesign:
I don't mean to backseat moderate but, how many topics do we have about this same issue now?! Like 4 topics about the lag and about another 4 which became about it...
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] chuckknight:
Here is a screen shot, showing the Huawei model number for the phone otherwise called the AT&T Impulse. 720p on Youtube provides remarkable clarity!

Apparently it *is* a u8800, which means that ATT did something sneaky that is keeping the custom ROMs from loading.

BTW: Hello! First post in this section. Anyone know somewhere to get a new backlight? Found a good deal on an Impulse on ebay, and it needs a backlight. Should make a fun project phone.
[Huawei Ideos X5 U8800] yogi-4:
You may be right. As much as I like the phone... I'm going to move on to another one. Probably the Atrix 4g. Something with more dev support. I don't see AT&T spending resources to upgrade us to gingerbread. I think the easier and more fun path is to just concede, sell and buy another.
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
i found this tutorial at youtube. it is the most comprehensive tutorial possible and available on the net.

anyone who has got time to go through the videos can make applications :)

happy trying!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL34F010EEF9D45FB8&feature=playlist-comment
[LG Optimus Black] BoyBawang2:
Do they have a website? I hope its not about app inventor.
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
no...i just found these great tutorial on youtube and thought to share it. that's all i know :p
[LG Optimus Black] timvdhoorn:
lol in

almost

every vid he says: whats up guys?

anyway tnx for sharing :D
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrownEye02:
First off, I am sorry for posting another one of these but I really could use some help in this.

I am/have been eligible for and upgrade for a long time. My carrier is Verizon and my current phone is the droid x. I was one of the first people to post in this form that I was getting my hands on this phone when it was released. Well due to a fluke on my upgrade date I was forced to wait. After time passed it seamed in my eyes that this phone wouldn't be much of an upgrade from my current phone so I halted on getting it. I am now itching at getting a new phone but don't want to blow my life savings. I have been really looking at getting the HTC rezound but with that tremendous price tag you can see why I have hesitated. My biggest concern is like I stated above, if Im getting a phone I want to UPGRADE not swap to a new yet similar phone. Smart phones have become laptops, if you don't buy above the curve your going to end with a sluggish piece of crap in the long run.

The things I really like about the rezound is the 1.5GHz dual core processor and the 4G. But now looking around I realized that even though the xperia play is a 1GHz single core it also has a GPU to boost its spec's. The BIGGEST perk to the xperia play for me is the controller. I love to game when nothings going on. I especially love gaming on emulators so I can play those classics like Pokeymon fire red :). I recently have pulled out the old unused PSP Go and started Pokeymoning it up.

The main reason my attention has been brought back to the play is because of the LTE rumor. But Im still just hesitant so I thought some stories or opinions could help me decide. One thing I would like to add is I LOVE to mess with my electronics. Anything I can customize or change I will. Things like rooting and rom swapping I do all the time. So S-off or some kind of work around is a necessity. The rezound doesn't have S-off but it will and I know the r800x can now change roms but not kernels.

So here are my questions.

Is there any kind of group working to get S-off for one the 800x? I wasn't able to find anything when I did my digging around.

Would you consider the Xperia Play to be a good phone to UPGRADE to?

What are your experiences with the phone, like how does the screen look, battery life?

Should I wait to hear more on the Xperia Play LTE, or am I just going to hear nothing but rumors for another year like with the regular Xperia play's release date?

Anything will help good or bad, thanks!
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ozzmanj1:
You can unlockck the bootloader via a couple of members on xda. Its not free, I got mine unlocked (bootloader) before the service was a paid fee. I love emulators and have many on my phone. Nes, snes Genesis n64 neogeo cps1 cps2. This phone is awesome for emulators. If you love emus this is the phone. Rooting and unlocking is really easy. Trust me this phone may not boast top of the line specs, but I don't care. I love this phone.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrownEye02:
Wow that was fast :D. Thanks man for the input.

If I did get the phone I would get the bootloader unlocked. I was REALLY angry to see that you had to pay to get the bootloader unlocked for the r800x. I then stopped and thought we have received a crap tone of stuff from the devs for free and some of that stuff took months to make. I don't mind coughing up a bit to get an unlocked bootloader. But I would hope the recipient of my money would release something else for free that would make paying for the unlock that much better. But hay to each there own.

Has anyone here gone through the pay process? It almost looked like the process was on hold when I checked into it.

One other thing, does the Xperia play have some sort of HDMI out? I looked really quick and it doesn't look like it but thought I would triple check.

Edit: One more thing. Has anyone taped into the built in PSX emulator? That was one of the coolest things I loved about all the PSP's, once CFW was installed :D!
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheCraig:
The unlocked R800i models (Sim free) can get their boot loader unlocked from the official Sony ericsson bootloader website, and thats free, but the people who do the paid bootloader unlock either have R800x models or another model locked to a specific carrier, Either way they only make you pay because they need to buy credits or something for the program they use to unlock it... I don't know much about that process because I can unlock mine via the se official method.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ozzmanj1:
I forgot one more thing. A couple weeks ago the sources for the R800x were released. This will definately give the devs a lot more to work with and make mods for this phone a lot easier as the information is out. Also don't quote me I think the bootloader unlock price is 25 dollars. Also for me the best emulator is the Tiger Arcade. Its not on the android market but it plays all the neogeo cps1 cps2 games flawlessly. And it even has network play so if you have a friend and they have the same apparently and game then you can play together. Had a friend over and we played Dungeons & Dragons Towers of Doom as a team. Man it was fun.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] D.Spirit:
I advise you to wait for Xperia Play 2

It is gonna be out this year and might beat PSP Vita
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrownEye02:
I would love to get my hands on one of the unlocked models but like I stated above my carrier is Verizon and the R800I's wont work with them.

Mmmmmmmm interesting... When ever the source is released REALLY cool things start popping up.

Are you talking date or spec. I highly doubt spec. But like I said Im just scared Im gonna end up waiting another year like I did for this play and its rumors.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sniper Spr3e:
unless you can back this up with a source then its complete bollocks there has been no information regarding the an xperia play 2 to the best of my knowledge

infact SE said it sold badly so there less likely too really
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrownEye02:
The biggest reason I believe there is a bit of truth to this is because when the phone was getting approved by the fda or what ever its called. There was xperia play with 4g lte that was submitted for review. Otherwise im with Sniper in that all we have to go off is a crappy picture of a training form.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroHero:
The 4G version of the xplay have been out for some time, i think the R800a and the R800at have 4G variations.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazyhazy:
This phone now has Onlive app working with gamepad and that opens a whole new source for gaming

I have tried it and it felt good. I would recommend it as the price at which its going now is really worth for what the device is capable of
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrownEye02:
How does the display look? My friend has the T-Mobile myTouch 4G and I just love his screen. The colors are amazing. It makes my X's screen look like an old black and white TV.

Yeah but those wont work on Verizons CDMA network. A new rumored Xperia Play might be coming out soon that will work and be sold by Verizon.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deathblade:
please delete, fixed my problem
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] AdamOutler:
Hey guys, I came up with a basic set of tools which I find useful. You may redistribute , include in any custom ROMs and/or distributions.

This includes:

Rewrite /default.prop for ADB

Install and deploy busybox in /system/xbin

install bash, ipctool, strace, tcpdump, and viewmem binaries.

To install, you must be rooted.

Unzip the attached file

place it on your nook.

cd to the folder you installed

Run the following

sh /sdcard/BHT/run.sh

Please note, I use Android Market app QuickSSH to get into my nook terminal, your results may very.. I hope someone else grabs these files and makes it all more user friendly. I've got too many other things going on.

I encourage other developers to include these valuable debugging tools in their packages.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] dodgepot:
You, sir, are a monster! You get my vote.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] brianf21:
I can turn this into an apk, if you don't mind. By turn on adb with this method, adb will be rooted and the device will still be allowed to sleep?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] AdamOutler:
By all means. Please do.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] cgdash:
My vote too. I just hope after you win that you keep up the great work on the Nook Tablet. The last two weeks or so have looked very promising towards getting custom roms on here and a lot of that has to do with Adam's hard work along with a few others
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] cfoesch:
Nearly all of these are already in snowball-mod, but I'll include ipctool, and viewmem for the next release.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] brianf21:
How did you get default.prop reread into memory? The only think I can see is the 2nd init hijack? Am I missing something a lot easier?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] cfoesch:
Note, I said "nearly all". I don't really see though how changing /default.prop would keep over reboots... rootfs is stored in memory and recreated every time, isn't it?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] brianf21:
I've added the binaries to NT Hidden Settings. I have not implemented /default.prop swap yet. I have to play with hijacking init before I do. Thanks again.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] AdamOutler:
cool. where are you hosting that binary? I currently have a mirror set up at nook1.adamoutler.com for easy access... When someone gets a new device, they need to download 3 things onto their device to make it a real tablet.. nook1=hidden settings, nook2=homecatcher, nook3=market.. I may change 3 to launcherpro, but hidden settings is the number1 tool required for the nook Tablet.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] cfoesch:
Homecatcher? I mean, I understand if you want to keep using the B&N store and stuff, but if you don't care about the B&N stuff, then the hacked SystemUI.apk is a way better option than Homecatcher.

But then, you're advancing "launcher pro", while I would more generally say "any non-B&N launcher"...
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] brianf21:
I added another option to nt hidden settings to run adb as root. It doesn't require a reboot and it automatically turns off auto mount. I am using nemith's adbd.

remount / as rw

stop adbd

replace /sbin/adbd

remount / as ro

setprop to turn off auto mount

start adbd as root

It's not persistent after reboot, but it works and doesn't kill the battery. I am not going to bother with hkvc's hijacking init method, because it looks like you, hkvc, bauwks, and nemith will be able to replace the os soon. Thanks.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] DT3CH:
I keep my tab in the factory dock overnight and use it as an alarm clock, the screen keeps coming on while its charging, I know it does this at 100% charged but its doing it at all sorts of different charge states

Anyone else run into this issue?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
I use mine the same way and its never done that. It might be an app or a process being triggered. I use Digital Nightstand if you want to try another program to make sure that's not the issue.