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[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Mael5trom:
Androhero, sometimes I respect what you do on these forums, and other times i find you to be an offensive narrow-minded jerk.

Gameloft is clearly trying to play both sides of the fence with android, and has been since the beginning, they don't like the amount of pro-consumer defences in place on the market. I'm not sure i understand how you can defend them as zealously as you have.

I bought modern combat 3 for 0.99c on the market despite it not being compatible with my handset, and heres why:

a. I have the moral high-ground when it comes to sideloading the app from various sources.

b. It's cheaper lol.

c. I have the advantage of having an sgs, I can have it sent to my sgs via the web market and then simply sideload it to my play, no dodgy websites involved.

I can understand, but don't completely agree with limiting markets by territory, i believe that in many cases Gameloft purposely allows and disallows various apps not for technical issues, but that in their eyes it makes more business sense for them to do so, even though its the end users that suffer for it.

I operate in this way and don't expect to have Gameloft help me at all, I know im bending the rules, and i'm ok with that, as i dont believe anyone could really call my actions dishonest or sneaky.

How do you feel knowing that Gameloft segregates us from the rest of the android market, likely because we are more willing to pay full price for games and they are taking advantage of that, its certainly not because of all the extra effort they put into xplay compatible controls .........LOL!!!.........

anyways enough of that, i don't really actually expect to play this game, but i do like specials. :p
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] AndroHero:
Maelstrom, dude i know where your comming from, but you need to understand gameloft do not directly sell there games on android market, infact they sell the games to google and google sell them on the market, it's then up to google to decide what devices are compatible and not, i'm sure amazon played a big part in MC3 not being availible for the R800x, but bottom line it's nothing to do with gameloft, he should be calling google names, gameloft even went out of there way to provide him with a free .apk even though they were not legally required :p
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
AndroHero I respect you and what you do on these forums but I have to say this

I've been researching and I found that Verizon and the R800X have been denied games before this MC3 thing.

And I believe after researching it's part of Verizon with their Vcast Malware.

YES I'm calling it Malware. I believe it actually is blocking us from getting specific games on our devices by means of hardware lockout. I believe this is why the google market will not show it to us at all.

I think gameloft was aware of this so that is why they are sending the games directly.

Did you also know if you buy the gameloft games through the VCAST store. Once you switch carriers the games will no longer play anymore

Yup thats right. Because without a "DRM network check" Verizon has their apps setup to always force close with an error.

So even if you pay full price for all the gameloft games from the Verizon Apps store (The only place you can get some of them)

You are getting your money stolen basically and being forced to say with Verizon

So maybe I was wrong to call Gameloft liars. Maybe it's not their fault. I dont know but I do know that this isn't fair to us Xperia Play owners. We are being excluded every day and it's REAL CRAP!
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] AndroHero:
I totally agree, and verizon sucks, why do guys even get verizon phones? If you all went to AT&T or T-mobile ect. Verizon would soon change there ways :p
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] netizenmt:
I'll tell you why people keep buying Verizon, at least in our area. Because of service coverage. My daughter works for a company that is the call center for AT&T. Interestingly enough, almost all of their employees have Verizon as their personal carrier because AT&T's coverage is so poor. Same with most of the other carriers.

That's also why Verizon can get away with screwing its customers in so many ways. Captive audience.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
You two seriously make me embarrassed to be American on these forums. Typical entitlement bratty attitudes. You're not better or more important than anyone else because you're American.

Thats not true, Gameloft does sell the games themselves on the Android Market. Gameloft specifically is the one who sets the permissions which can be done both within the programming as well as when the app is loaded on to the market. Gameloft locks their Xperia Play games to their WAP store for one reason, as mentioned by another poster. They believe that people who own a "gaming" phone will pay extra for the version of the game that works with their phone. They have even gone so far as to have programmed different versions, even though they don't need to. The only reason MC3 even shows up was likely due to them accidentally not locking out some models of the R800 (You need to specifically pick R800i, R800x, R800at etc in the dev console), or they changed their policy, but still locked out the R800x thanks to Verizon wanting to have it exclusive on their V-crap store.

A lot of these mistakes happen with their games, look at Assassins Creed with its graphical glitches, Eternal Legacy with its crashes, Shadow Guardian and the fact you can't actually complete the damn game due to a bug in one of the puzzles! Not sure if they use cheap programmers, or they just rush job stuff out the door to squeeze every last penny out.

Below is the best answer

Its like this all over the country. There is no place in the US especially any place near a metropolitan area that any other carrier has better service. The difference is tremendous between them and everyone else. Also, up until a couple months ago the only way you could get the Play was through Verizon, unless you didn't care to have 3G service. Incidentally Verizon is owned partially by Vodafone, I'm assuming though Vodafones business practices are different?

So... in the end... this thing is still a Phone and thats what we all have a need for. Game controls and video games etc are just gravy.

As for the OP. Gameloft clearly doesn't allow their Market apps for a reason as discussed. It doesn't work, you can complain to them as to why they aren't allowing download on the Market, but the fact you wasted a buck on it and it won't work isn't their fault, they told you it wasn't gonna work and you did it anyway.

Then in the end even though you basically tried to skirt their rules (however immoral they may be) they still helped you out by giving you the game working for your phone anyway. I'd say the customer service really isn't so bad after all (they gave me a free game too for the whole Shadow Guardian debacle).
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
So what your saying is gameloft are greedy rippers who want Xperia R800X users to pay full price for their apps? In that case I will try to rip them off as much as I can. Especially with their little "Deal" with verizon.

You pay 7-8 dollars a game in the Vcast Store then once you drop verizon none of your games work anymore that you paid full price for

If you ask me that is just SCUMMY. Scum tactics

and I will be calling them to get a free game every chance I get

This company has such bad press surrounding it that it's not even funny

Not only do they try to rip people off like me and other verizon coustomers but they also produce games that have glitches. bugs. problems and they never offer to fix those said problems in the game with an update like this one-

Order and Chaos.

Read the bad press about this game losing Xperia play functionality and just see how bad of an update they made. I think they messed up the controls on purpose.

Well thankfully I'm going to do my part to help the Xperia / Verizon community here soon with something big. cant give any details yet or probably on this forum but what I'm working on will solve all of these game loft and Verizon problems lol.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
You don't need to EVER buy anything from the VCast store. In fact ANY game you can get there you are able to get from the market or the game manufacturer directly except for Pac Man racing which I heard wasn't that good anyway.

Gameloft however IS forcing you to buy from their store (on all phones) and/or the VCast store (on verizon phones). As I said, its probably a mistake that non R800x phones can get MC3 there and aren't forced to the Gameloft WAP shop.

Now before you continue to twist your panties in a bunch over it, Gameloft does, quite often, offer a 99 cent sale from their WAP store. In fact I have a good portion of the games they offer for the Xperia Play and all of them I got for a buck or free (Rainbow Six, Fast Five, Shadow Guardian, Modern Combat 2, Assassins Creed, Eternal Legacy, NOVA 2, Dungeon Hunter 2, 9mm, and Splinter Cell). So yes we understand you want to play MC3 NOW NOW NOW but waaaah you may have to wait a little bit. It WILL go on sale by them eventually.

Is Gameloft guilty of totally ripping off other mainstream games? Yes. Are their games often buggy? Absolutely. For both of those they suck. Heck for forcing you through their WAP store, yes I agree they suck but at least they do offer sales as often as they do on the Market, so its really not something to get totally twisted over.

The only "enemy" here is Verizon and their Vcast crap, as they are now and often in the past always guilty of trying to squeeze every last hairy cent out of they subscribers, and leveraging the fact that every other cell network here in the US sucks. The games they sell also won't work if you have no Internet connection so they can verify themselves.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
Ah but you are wrong about two things

I have been disassembling the APK's and found functions in the VCAST authorization and also Gameloft "Device check" function

So I can safely say that MC3 will not work unless you remove the call to device check function.

If you remove that. The game will instal on any device. including tablets and stuff it's saying is "not compatible"

Also if you edit a bit of class file lines in the VCast crap it wont be worried about the license check anymore lol.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] ozzmanj1:
I just deleted vcast a few months ago. Next thing I know the android market is linked in place of vcast on the games launcher. Hate vcast, its sucks monkey butt
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] swebosdev:
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[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
No, I think you have completely misread what I wrote.

I am aware of how they work and do device checks. Obviously they do them on purpose to prevent people from using their games across devices.

Do I agree with it? No. But thats how it works. So coming on here and complaining you bought it and now it won't work right is still your own fault.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] BinaryXeroMedia:
I'm never getting anything from GL again. On there order and chaos game I bought 30 runes for £5 and ended up with 4230 runes and a £599 bill on my contract. I have left voicemails, emails oh I even contacted CS on there number they have on there website and guess what. Surprise surprise. They don't have the number to put me through to the team that deal with the money side of things. BS is what that is. But hey I have them by the balls and am going to suew them for every last penny I can possibly get out of them. I am already being threatened with a termination fee of £600+ and I will make sure they pay that too. They are scammers. I take back everything I said about them. I said they were good with CS and helpful. Pfftt I was wrong. All I say is be careful with what you do with these people. Once they have your money there's no way you will get it bk.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] daymo:
Jaysus mate, I would get onto citizens advice about that, a while back my daughter ran up a £300 bill on ingame purchases on her ipod ,luckily apple payed back asap, gameloft should surely realise something was wrong...who spends that amount? I hope you get the right result on this
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] XperianceIT:
WOW, what a read! I originally wanted to comment about the whole SUPER AMERICA stuff, but I will just leave that alone. **palm to face**

On to the actual topic, I have noticed VCAST store overcharges for ALL their games! I havent bought anything from it because of that, i get mine direct from the source... EA, GL, etc, and have found a few for free when VCAST was charging anywhere from 4.99 to 7.99 per game, and I havent had any issues yet. In VCAST's defense, they do this mainly because you are essentially using credit to purchase the game, they give it to you now, you pay later on your next bill. Is it right or fair, not really, at least not charging that much! But it is what it is!
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] BinaryXeroMedia:
Isn't there any way you guys can get rid of this Vcast. And just use market. Example flash a Rom that is not a custom fw for att or your other network verison is it? If not what about amazon store or getjar. Would that nit help. I don't know much for the American networks but from what I have watched and read is that they are liars and cheats and thieves. Anyways. I will stop now. Hope a dev can help you guys around these cheating *beep*. :).

Regards

Blackwatch
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] BinaryXeroMedia:
Thanks mate. I hope they sort this too but I kinda hope they don't too. Coz then when I sue I can get them to pay out a lot of money and then I have my phone for free and less bills :D. At the end of the day you can see something is wrong. You can buy 95 runes for 15GBP or 30 runes for 5GBP and those are the ones they went up in. As you would see. If I wanted 4230 runes I would of gone the 95 for 15GBP and not 30 for 5GBP. So that is a good sign something went wrong. I hope they sort this out for my gf sake as it's her credit rating which will be affected. Personally the dmg is done and I won't be buying games off them again. I will stay playing order & chaos and pay sub fee of 3GBP for 6mths but thats it. I am leaving the GL Club and several buying a single game of them until I know 100% it is perfect. Anyways

Regards

Blackwatch
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] AndroHero:
People on verizon face the problem of verizon being the only CDMA network with the play, flashing a GSM rom would render there phones pretty useless :p
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] antEris:
We, don't -have- to use Verizon's market. I'll be honest I figured it was bad, but had no clue as to just how. I've personally never used the vcast store for android, and never will. I remember when various carriers were pushing for the ability to make their own markets with billing to you're cell account. I thought using my cell account as a credit card was a bad idea then. I mean really? You're gonna use your VERIZON bill as a credit card? I'd sooner apply for a credit card from a bowling ball manufacturer. I just don't know why anyone would make a single purchase through vcast. I imagine from non-smartphone experience with vcast alot of the apps are monthly subscriptions? Even better, the app is free but requires a monthly subscription to operate :).

No thanks. I'll stick with the Google market.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
I am laughing so hard right now

1. because gameloft scammed me (more below)

2. because they didn't release the game for us R800X users till days after their sale ended.

Yep thats right. Days after the sale ends it magically appears on the market and guess what the price is. not 99 cents NOPE. 7 BUCKS!

So anyways guess what they did. They refunded my purchase. YUP. so guess what?

If i want game updates I have to pay 7 dollars to buy the game. so they actually ended up screwing me over because now I dont have the game on my market for 99 cents / purchased anymore. How fair is that

Gameloft ARE scammers. the verdict is in.

And actually I'm going to call them and say I don't appreciate the purchase being refunded by them automatically.

If you dont understand the whole situation I'll explain it.
I bought the game for 99 cents. It wouldnt show up on my R800X.
I called them explained situation. They said "We will text you the file"
I waited half hour. The file never came. I had to call again
I said "Texting isnt working just email it"
They email the game to me.
2 days later I get an email saying the money was refunded
I go back into market and the game costs 7 dollars and it's showing up
but I dont own it anymore because they refunded me.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
If they sent you a link to their own server to download the game and you download it from there the game updates directly through their servers and checks for updates when you start it up. It doesn't connect with the Market. You're free and clear.

Not only that, now you got your money back, so in reality the only one who did any scamming is you.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
Rogue leader you always think you know it all but you would do well to do some research

because you didn't take time to find out the paymium apps are hardware linked to the device unlike the android market that allows you to install the app to any phone as many times as you want.

so yes i did get scammed. i wanted the game on my list of games on my google account. they did a refund that i never requested

so once again you didnt know the facts

& i have alot of phones thats why i love android market. I can buy the app 1 time and all my devices use it because they all use my google account
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
No... You didn't get scammed. I do know the facts, even through your drivel I can understand them.

You'd do well to stop being such a moron.

YOU GOT THE DAMN GAME FOR FREE.

They weren't offering it for the R800x, why? I don't know maybe some shady deal with Verizon, but they clearly made it unavailable. Is it lame? Yes, but that doesn't change the facts.

Stop throwing a temper tantrum like a little kid. So you can't put it on every phone you have, you still got it free.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
anyone can "get the game for free"

doesn't mean legally. and in essence them just sending me the apk in a email was a cheap move.

I wanted to buy the game for 99 cents. actually i bought it.

but then they refunded the purchase

so the problem is they couldn't let me keep my 99 cent purchase

when the game was raising to 7 dollars next week

you see?
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
You got a legitimate, legal, update-able copy for free.

You wanted to buy the game for 99 cents, you couldn't. The rest of us said "eh ohh well", you instead skirted the system and scammed them out of it.

And now you're calling them liars.

seriously
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
dude

if they didnt refund the money

i would have the game right now. it's the same exact game

nothing different about this one and the 99 cent one. they are the same game

I dont like a company that is just going to refund my money and take my product from me

imagine you go to best-buy and bought a laptop for a good deal of 100$ off.

the manager gets pissed that you got a good deal.

he come to your house. takes the laptop and gives you your money back

that is what they did to me

i never asked for a refund. they forced it on me.

so now i am having to pay full price

and no i didnt get a game. its not on my google account is it?

didn't think so!
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] netizenmt:
Regarding VCAST, that was the first thing I deleted after I rooted.

Regarding Gameloft, I personally have had a few issues with them, but they were resolved to my satisfaction.

Hoggy, I just have to say, between your rants against Gameloft and your rants against Verizon, maybe you should consider a non-smartphone. If you let that sort of thing "ruin your life", you're going to have a very long, lonely, miserable life. Have you considered medication? Just sayin'.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Hogwarts:
its satire lol.

i thought the demon pic would get the point across

perhaps your own mind needs an evaluation!

& im upset at gameloft for this

and dont say "oh but they gave you an APK file"

that means nothing to me.

i want it on my google account. i can get apk files anywhere on the web

and instead of them waiting 1 week for it to show up for my 99 cent price

they took it upon them self to renege our deal so i dont own the game at all
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
EVERY SINGLE Gameloft game I own is not on my google account. Generally, the R800x versions of the game are only available from their WAP store.

Go ahead on the market right now and try to download Modern Combat 2 with an R800x, it will tell you not compatible, same with any other Gameloft Game.

They do this on purpose, the policy is not one I agree with (because basically they are charging us extra to have controls in the game, but whatever what can you do). But thats the way it is, probably some scam they had setup with Verizon. They apparently have recently started changing this policy, maybe because Verizon realized no one was buying the game from V-Crap, or maybe because thye ae giving the phone away for free with a contract these days.

However they sent you a WAP shop link and gave you the APK. A fully legal copy of the game, that you can also download updates to. No you can't put it on every device you own (although its worth trying for the heck of it), but you still have it. Its not the same as going out and stealing it from somewhere. That APK is the same as if you had bought it from the WAP shop.

You don't have to pay full price, play the damn copy they sent you, and wait for the next 99 cent sale, they have em every month or so either on the Market, or their WAP shop.

Your analogy is BS, to use it properly, you got a good deal on a laptop, the store took it back because they didn't like you having that good deal, but then the manufacturer sent you one anyway FOR FREE. But you're bent out of shape because you don't have a receipt for it.

Thats what really happened.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] AndroHero:
What is your problem, They refunded your money because you bought a product incompatible with your device, then they gave you the game for free. No one on verizon was applicable for the 99c deal get over it, gameloft are always having sales for US only but we dont moan, its called marketing, did you see anyone from the rest of the world moan when gameloft had there US only thanksgiving sale? No its just you with some kind of axe to grind, in my opinion it was you that ripped gameloft off not them.