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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
I'll test this and respond. I have been having problems with my prime, while tethered to a Galaxy Nexus, failing to stream after 2-3 minutes. I did a side by side with the OG Transformer without fail. Thanks for pointing out bluetooth

EDIT: First let me point out my current testing. Transformer and Transformer Prime, side by side tethered to a Galaxy Nexus. Streamed an episode of Farscape via Netflix for 20 minutes without a problem. Pressed Home, opened Subsonic and tried to stream an episode of One Tree Hill. The Prime doesn't resolve the page with the flash video at all, while the OG Transformer loads the page just fine. I disabled the bluetooth, which was enabled but not connected to any devices. I disabled and enabled WiFi on the Prime, still no dice. Then I connected the Prime to my home WiFi, and it works. Connected the Prime to the Galaxy Nexus again, and no dice, but the OG Transformer is still surfing the net. Bluetooth is disabled right now, but it wasn't disabled when the prime's WiFi to GN broke.

Now as I write I toggled tethering on the GN off and on. Disabled wifi on the prime and re-enabled. Connected Prime to GN and internet is working again. I am commencing a stream of One Tree Hill. BT Disabled. In 5 Minutes I'll enable Bluetooth and see what happens.

---------- Post added at 03:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:20 PM ----------

Looks like I can confirm this. Was streaming just fine, speedtests and all that fun stuff. Not more than 4 minutes after enabling BT the internet went kaput. Interestingly.. I enabled bluetooth in the middle of a speedtest upload, and the speedtest immediately stopped.. at about 150kbps as opposed to the 5000 it should have reached. The second speed test recovered though. I went back to streaming video though, and the problems came back. I need bluetooth, so this is unacceptable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] techjunkie9194:
Tested with my Motorola S9HD headphones and performance fell off of the chart when performing a speed test. Intresting thing is I was using this headset and using a bluetooth mouse yesterday watching YouTube videos. I couldn't watch HD but that is my DSL speeds in the sticks. Cant watch HD on laptop without some buffering. Interesting development.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ectoplasmic:
If it's a hardware issue or design flaw, it won't necessarily be fixable with firmware. Time will tell.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
Bluetooth has always interferred with wifi.

It just does.

Personal experiences:

-I have a bluetooth mouse with my desktop, when the wifi gets heavy, my mouse movement gets boggy.

-When my wife uses the microwave, I lose my mouse for the time it takes to heat up the food.

You can thank Mr. FCC & the 2.4 Ghz spectrum.

Throwing engineering at you:

One of many sources on this issue.

Don't ever return your tablet for this problem.

What you can try doing:

Change the channel on your wifi router.

See if your bluetooth will change its channel.

What could have Asus done?

The should have enabled 5 Ghz wifi.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
If i move my bluetooth mouse more than 3 feet away from my prime it starts to lagg.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jrwingate6:
Why would you even want or need to use your mouse 3 feet away? Seems to me, your just looking for problems now. In all my years of using a mouse, I've never operated one more than 1 foot away from the source.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I'm a big user of Bluetooth and I stream video via Wi-Fi and at the same time audio to either a A2DP headset, JamBox BT speaker, or YSP-4000 sound bar. No device I've had in the past 18 months (and there have been quite a few) from Samsung, HTC, or LG had a problem with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] techjunkie9194:
I for one was considering using a Bluetooth presenter for presentations. It is a presenter mouse combo from Microsoft. Could also see using a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse combo in a conference room environmentwhen prime is plugged into TV or projector.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
You paired your bluetooth to a completely new source. It could have easily chosen a brand new channel that resides closer to your wifi.

Here is a chart :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kassar:
Maybe he wants to hook the prime up to his TV and operate it from the couch? Seems a pretty normal thing to want to do.

Fwiw, I'm loving my prime (Havn't tried bluetoothing anything to it though)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
In random hotels? Consistently? As an example, I use Plex a lot when I'm traveling. I'll connect via hotel Wi-Fi to my home server, connect my Jambox via BT, and play high-profile video. I'll pause the video sometimes to check e-mail or look something up on the web and have never experienced a Wi-Fi issue (except crappy hotel Internet).

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "a completely new source." Or why my scenario is any different from this one (without the drama).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
I don't know about always. My Bluetooth and Wifi on laptop co-exist just fine. I occasionally use my rocketfish headphones on it to use Google phone, I don't receive any interference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
To ease any doubts here's a quick vid...

1) Wi-Fi and BT off

2) Wi-Fi On

3) 1st Speed Test

4) BT on and connected to a Q2

5) 2nd Speed Test

[YOUTUBE]khP7zKlkRH4[/YOUTUBE]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
Both wifi and bluetooth's spectrum greatly overlap. However, a problem won't arise unless they operate in similar bands.

So you're spot on, they can co-exist rather well. But if they automatically/are forced to connect near eachother's bands, it's not going to work out well.

Drilling down the problem:

- Wifi: The wifi channel is usually determined by the router. Your TF201 is not responsible for this.

-BT: If nothing else has changed I blame this on the manner in which the TF201 and/or your accessory is assigning the channel on which to connect(pair). Either device could be the problem.

Perhaps the TF201 is poorly managing the bluetooth channels?

Barry, no drama, just enthusiasm. You've had the opportunity to connect to multiple wifi's and still experience this problem? If so, then I would feel more confident that the bluetooth in the TF201 is not managing its connections well. Hopefully they can fix this in their firmware.

Also, your BT devices connect to your TF201, some of these devices have settings that you can change to help remove interference.

Try experimenting a little with the settings on your router and BT accessory and see if you can get the bands/channels away from eachother.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jrwingate6:
If he wants to do that then he can get a long enough cable that puts the tablet closer to his seated position.

I don't understand why people still expect to get perfect tech devices without any problems. Last time I checked, I've had to make compromises with almost every piece of technology I've ever owned whether it be holding my Sensation a certain way as to nor distrupt the WiFi or using a external fan so my gaming laptop doesn't overheat. The list goes on.

Bottom line. If your unhappy about your purchase, I have a very easy fix for you. Return the product. I don't have the Prime yet but I can assure you, when I purchase one as soon as they ship to Best Buy, I will return it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
I'd like to say thank you......

For all the beta testers. I'm sure these problems will be resolved by the 3rd batch. Unfortunately by then better and more powerful tablets will be on the horizon. This is the ATP's time to shine. If it doesn't shine now it never will.

Thank you.

Sent from my iPad 2 on the toilet
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jim_0068:
I don't know why people are giving the OP so much issue over this. I travel as well and it's nice to be able to sit back in the hotel and watch something off your own server at hole or even stream something via netflix.

If he wants to pair it to a bt accessory speaker like he mentioned the jambox (which is what it was designed for) and use wifi at the same time there should be a reasonable expectation for that to work.

Personally I would keep a HDMI to micro HDMI cable with me and hook it up to my hotels tv but not all hotel TV's have HDMI inputs plus there is a lot of weirdness with the primes ability to even output simple stereo from itself.

There really are a lot of bugs with the Prime and it is the reason I'm going to wait around but I wouldn't call a lot of the recent issues compromises especially when other devices including the tf101 didn't have some of them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
You guys are neglecting the simple fact that this is a unique issue. Yes bluetooth and wifi operate in similar spectrums, and dirty airwaves cause issues of quality. But we aren't talking about quality, we are talking about a 100% failure to co-exist on the same device. For the record I tried each and every channel available to Wifi Tether and the bluetooth still trashed the connection within minutes.

This DOES NOT HAPPEN ON THE ORIGINAL TRANSFORMER. It doesn't happen of any of the iOS/Android devices I have ever owned. This is very much a reason to return the tablet and if I don't see progress on this issue I will be returning it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
Its because of another design flaw (asus is good at these.). The wifi and bluetooth share the same dual antennas.

I have found that turning off auto connect under the bluetooth settings for your BT devices seems to help stop bluetooth from causing apps to FC.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
Thanks for checking the wifi--this is starting to sound like a problem to me as well. Do you have any settings options on your bluetooth device?

iOS had something similar a while back but they fixed it with software. Overall, I'll try to stay upbeat with Asus, it looks like they made some progress with their most recent firmware update. Minus the bricking. Heh.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
Yeah, none of my other devices have wifi drop down because of bluetooth but the prime does, I am betting its because they share the same antennas and when one is on the prime cannot manage the power between both and ends up dropping power in wifi or both (leading to weak wifi and laggy bluetooth mouse or keyboard).

http://youtu.be/EuLCJidrYiw
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
So I made two very unprofessional videos that show the issue. It took longer than I wanted to completely kill the connections, but the evidence is there, the wifi becomes spotty and unusable after a while.

I also did a little bit of a side by side with the original transformer.

[YOUTUBE]KsVtEre25OU[/YOUTUBE]

[YOUTUBE]V99mqQiIHMM[/YOUTUBE]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sledgie:
this is absolutely correct. The reason some of us are complaining isn't to shut down Asus or think that every device should be perfect - it's that in the real world situation of not receiving the dock and watching 1080p on the telly and I want to use a BT mouse or keyboard.

Try this: Apple BT keyboard and Logitech VX470 BT android 3.0+ mouse.

When keyboard is conencted, I can type fine. My internet is working perfectly, the skies are blue, etc.

When I connect both - bzzzzt - internet connection DROPS. As in, I can't load anything. Even disconnecting the mouse the internet doesn't come back immediately - it seems the BT on/off is almost in a loop and sometimes FC's itself. When I just tried it my ATP just vibrated for 20 seconds straight and I had to force stop dolphin.

Now on my SGS2 they work perfectly in sync with one another - I can browse, type, heck I can even disconnect the mouse by turning it off and on again and it'll repair and reconnect. On the AFP? not so much.

I also noticed that when the BT mouse is connected - it will work on the screen but it doesn't always say "connected" under the BT settings.

This leads me to think it might be software related (i'm hoping at least).

It also disconnects the internet sometimes when just using the mouse. Not 100% but it certainly turns "boggy" and then skips and lags across the screen which I can positively predict disconnects me from the internet.

Oh, btw - BCO and .33 . I'd love to know how people know whether they are in 1st or 2nd batch
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
BCO? Does that refer to the first part of your SN? If so then I am BBO
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
This issue is worse than the gps issue. If I understand correctly prime cannot use wifi and bt properly at same time? So no pandora to bt speaker.. netflix to bt speaker, what about web browsing and local music to bt speaker? Sorry if I've misunderstood
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
Sadly, you are not mistaken. Bluetooth and Wifi can't transmit/receive at the same time. So not BT speakers, mice or keyboards while doing anything on wifi.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
OK thanks that's the last straw for me. Asus f'ed this what could have been great tab up. Thanks guys I'm canceling my 64GB preorder now. Here
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
Here's to CES hopefully someone can comes through with what I would like in a tab
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
So does the G-Tab's. So it's not that unless Asus' implementation is funky. Since we now know the metal back is reaking havoc with GPS, maybe the reflective quality is impacting the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth combo.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jfortier777:
OP here

Just wanted to add.

Tested this on my Tmobile G1 and G2 both performed fine with no BT WIFI conflict.

Just got to work and tested an AT&T Galaxy phone and a Verizon Droid 2, both worked fine no conflict.

This is definitely not a generic BT and WIFI issue.

It is perhaps a common shortcut other devices may suffer from but far from all of them, or even a m.

Also after reading through the posts I gave the channel swap a try on my router, to no avail.

(Living in an apartment building I could be picking up static from my 50 neighbors, so I also tried this at work today where we have easily 200 yards to the nearest radio interference and the result was the same.)

Now that we're getting an unlocked bootloader maybe one of the devs will have a clever solution.

PS: I've never been given an option on any of my phones to change bluetooth channels, nor on the devices themselves.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
Keep lurking - these issues might get solved with a community-supported driver.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The metal back cover is stupid and narcissistic. If I had to venture a guess, it's responsible for this issue also. Either...

1) The reflective quality of the back cover is causing interference between the signals.

2) Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are cranked up so high to get through the back cover that they're interfering with each other.

If it's the latter, cranking down the signals so they co-habitate is going to effect already sketchy performance.

Before we hang Asus on this one, someone earlier on suggested it could be as simple as the BT signal setting being set too strongly. If that's the case, f/w could fix it pretty easily. If it's set that way to get through the metal cover than see number 2 above.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jstrick5:
I previously owned a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and would use Spotify over wifi and then Bluetooth connect to a Bluetooth receiver that was used as an input to my home theater/stereo. With my Galaxy Tab, I was able to stream music and connect to the Bluetooth receiver from upwards of 60 feet.

My TF201 is scheduled for delivery for tomorrow and shortly after I'll try the same scenario and see how the BT audio and wifi streaming compares to my Galaxy.

Following suit with the GPS issues, I could definitely see this being an issue due to the metal back panel however it could also be an issue with the signals causing interference.

If you have a dual band wifi router, you could also try connecting to the 5ghz wifi broadcast. Again, I plan on testing this out myself tomorrow and will compare results of connecting to both my 2.4ghz and 5ghz wifi networks.

I just really hope I don't regret selling my GT 10.1 for this device with all the potential hardware issues it's been having...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ricard2798:
wow, I originally had an HP touchpad, and decided to sell it to get this tablet with the assumption everything would run better if no hacks were needed (meaning original software, hardware, etc). Now it seems that ill be relying on the same "aftermarket" solutions to get this to work.... talk about regret... I sholud have never sold my HP Touchpad...it sucked balls with all the unstability... but it seems i never left that boat :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jfortier777:
Custom roms are not necessary, the device is still extremely powerful and functions well for most normal scenarios.

However; if you are not already compelled to run custom roms you may have joined the wrong community.

Nobody knows an android user better than another android user and the devs who write aftermarket roms do a much better job than any factory rom I've come across.

Root however is a requirement for any android device so you ought to be planning that anyway.

...that is of course, unless you approve of Tic-Tac-Toe apps that demand access to your contacts list.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sledgie:
cant connect with 5ghz. Only if we could, this would be one possible solution to the scenario, although not a great one for everybody. 5ghz is not enabled on here. Not sure if the module doesn't support it or if Asus had another reason to not include it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The Prime is 2.4GHz only. The chip's dual-band but they deactivated 5GHz.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jstrick5:
Sorry, I'm reading conflicting reports on the specs. Official spec is "802.11 b / g / n" So I guess TP does not have "a" which would be 5ghz. Chalk another +1 up to my sold Galaxy Tab 10.1 that could connect to 5ghz. :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdrussell:
2.4ghz N is a legitimate specification, however...

In the vast, vast majority of cases we will never see N speeds, as AFAIK all non-dual band routers will limit N devices to G speeds if any G devices are connected.

So they may as well have skipped the 5ghz capable chip unless they plan on activating it at some point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That's not true. If you live in an urban area surrounded by neighbors with routers, 5GHz is a god send and a way to escape signal congestion when all the 2.4GHz channels are over used. The TF1 didn't support 5GHz either. Maybe a dual-band antenna's more expensive?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BUYMECAR:
lol! exactly my sentiment when i realized that my Prime was not seeing my 5GHz network. WiFi on the Prime has been my only gripe so far. Terrible speeds, no dual band on a dual band chip, bad range...

One can only hope that ICS will be the ultimate fix. One can hope... :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ricard2798:
dont take me wrong, i am up for rooting and tinkering (heck, if i had a touchpad, you can imagine how much i meesed with roms and what not). It was just that my experience with my Unrooted phine (samsung galaxy s 2) was so pleasant, that i had hoped that the same thing would have happeend with the prime (meaning, awesome out of the box experience.. and then , after a while, tinkering it up).

Anyways, anythig i type is extremely rpemature, sicne my prime arrives tomorrow. This is where i will truly find out if it stays or if it goes. I mean, i was debating the GPs issue, but if i never had gps on my touchpad, then me returnning the Prime cause fo GPs is more enforcing principle (i payed for it and it should work), rather than practicality (do i really need gps?). Yet, now i hear there are issues by using bluetooth and wifi at the same time (lets say i play an online game with a gamepad... that will be problematic). Again, the test will be my deciding factor... so tomorrow ill know.

But, I think the real question in everyones mind is... IS THE TEGRA PERFORMANCE SO GOOD AS TO WARRANT A USER TO SETTLE WITH THIS OTHER QUIRKS? that is the real question :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
Im pretty sure there are ways of dialing back the strength of a Bluetooth radio via software,

so I wouldn't worry about it impeding WiFi performance too much just yet.

My little netbook belts out 52mbps on speedtest.net

Ill do some testing on monday when I get my prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The test will be dialing it back enough so it doesn't interfere with Wi-Fi but leaving it strong enough to get through the metal cover. Do you know how sensitive BT signals are and what they're sensitive to compared to Wi-Fi and GPS?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
Both wifi and bluetooth are running on 2.4ghz which is already a terrible thing to start with.

But I think currently the bluetooth radio is tuned for "class 2" transmitting, which means a range up to about 30ft.

Im not super sure, but I think there is a way to get it to work somewhere between class2 and class3 (3.5ft) rating.

Hopefully this will stop choking wifi enough for it to become workable again.

One thing anyone can try is change your AP's wifi channel and see if it moves out of the bluetooth range enough to pass by.

Bluetooth is on 2.45Ghz, see what frequencies belong to what channels on your router and pick one as far away as it ll allow. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
But other tablets do too. What do you think could be different in the Prime (other than the obvious - the metal back) that would make it behave differently than even the TF1?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
BT simply being louder then it should be was my first "ping" when I saw this problem.

What device could possibly require a 30ft reach really.

I wonder where exactly the BT antenna went in this tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dandrep:
I tried a little test. My wife's phone always has bluetooth on, so while I had WiFi on, I search for her bluetooth device and did not find anything. Then I turned WiFi off and searched again; found it. Turned WiFi back on and no luck.

This leads me to believe that it may not be bluetooth signal strength, else I would have found the discoverable device either way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdrussell:
What's not true? I wasn't debating the merits of 5ghz.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
Interesting discovery. This means the problem is also reversible, WiFi can choke out Bluetooth.

See what happens when doing a speedtest and then suddenly turning on bluetooth on that phone right next to it.

This would determine if its indeed a crossed signal messing the prime up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] setite:
I have a dual band router but the Prime doesn't offer 5Ghz. Even if it did, when I'm tethered to my phone the problem would still arise. 5Ghz is not a suitable solution.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
The prime has a 5ghz chip in it! And can and will be activated by some developer!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] csmall:
Should this be fixable with software/firmware? I was very excited about the prime but this sounds pretty serious.

I don't use bt that often but I expect all these standard features to function in this day and age.

I'm holding off for now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stephen44:
the cynic in me says or it does not work with a metal back :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
The chip is there but it may lack the supporting components to make 5 ghz work.