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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mithent:
Nice law you have there. Does anyone know if the UK/EU has anything equivalent? Or perhaps the US law could be used to encourage Asus to do the same worldwide...

I'm totally happy to absolve Asus of software-related liability (of course it's not their fault if you break it, any more than if you took a hammer to it), but I do think that the hardware should still be covered unless there's evidence to suggest otherwise.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] digimuzik:
If you had a SquareTrade warranty for the accidental damage, wouldn't you still be covered, though?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
My take on this.:

So no. You are not the only one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] doeboy711:
I'm rocking the HTC Evo 3D with the unlocked bootloader so I can have root access. I can flash roms/tweaks/kernals/radios just fine. I just can't go straight into recovery. I have to go into fastboot mode and then tell it to go into recovery. After its in recovery, I'm good to go.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ins0mniacs:
do you know the once the camel got it"s nose under the tent it is virtual impossible to stop it from getting in. So giving them a break is hardly the key as they already done the damage. You seriously want to go through all of this with every product you buy to make it your own? I care not to. The Issue is Asus is about over clocking, tweaking,gaming and hype and if that is their selling point then they should not even try to sell us a bling bling without the POWER.

If they lock it then all it is is a ....,well a....BLING BLING with not enough bang.

Ps: this is a current war politics wanting restrictions and companies trying to sell you bling bling with restrictions. don't worry this might not be a big thing to most of the average user but in the long run. you wont own a pc but rather some tv like remote that lets you enter the internet and get to your data. Perhaps you odd to have a look at the 2 links in my sig to see what i am talking about.

:o
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] HoOnZ:
I understand why Asus has to lock and encrypt the bootloader due to Google DRM but can someone explain why a Nexus device doesn't encrypt their own bootloaders? Doesn't the Nexus devices have the ability to rent movies? I haven't rented a movie on my Galaxy nexus but I am curious on why Samsung can do this on their device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] andyxover:
while what you said makes sense, however, sometimes the hardware failure is due to the inappropriate software tempering. like people who over lock it and caused the device to become unstable. So there's no way for them to know whether the failure is purely hardware defect or due to inappropriate use.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
You're still good under SQ...just going to have to spill some coffee on it or drop it from your roof. Or drop it in a pool.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The only other tablet with an encrypted bootloader is the HTC Jetstream. Coincidence? I think not. There are plenty of devices that play Hulu and Netflix that have unlocked bootloaders. Asus was being god like and got called on it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
Voiding the warranty because you unlocked the bootloader is standard practice. No biggie. Unlocking the bootloader is a privilege, not a right, so you would have to expect compromises here and there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] blackinjun:
YEP BB 1 year with ADH

Also isn't the bigger issue here, the problems with GPS with no response except admitting it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ins0mniacs:
actuly that is what is next have a look at uefi or this link here:http://www.computerbob.com/wp/uefi-bad-news-for-computer-user.php

its comming
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] robomo:
As posted in another thread:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] [TSON]:
So.... Can we bomb Motorola now for missing their "second half of 2011" bootloader unlock deadline? HELP A BROTHER OUT :'(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leo221:
why buy moto anyways in the first place?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ksar:
Thank's all for this!

I hope we will have this tool sooooooonnnnnnn ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LouisRLinux:
Being able to change your own oil and do your own tune-ups on your car is also a privilege and not a right. A car company has every right to sell a car with no way for a user to access the engine. They could even make it very difficult for your local mechanic. In a few years, when they choose to end support, you can always buy a new one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kintaaka:
So now the bad is google?

So with what asus said I understand that google is pushing companies to lock the bootloaders ? WTF
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
Ofcourse, in EU it is against consumer law so this is hollow agreement. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Alien1213:
Same here in France

https://www.facebook.com/asus.fr/posts/10150499487859824

http://www.pcinpact.com/news/68020-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-android-40-bootloader.htm

Sorry, can't translate...

EDIT : In fact, yes => http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcinpact.com%2Fnews%2F68020-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-android-40-bootloader.htm&act=url
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rob Irizarry:
I'm in total agreement. I find it hard to believe that Asus, a company which created its reputation on overclocked motherboards, can't stand by its tablet hardware. I'm sure they get some returns where people have destroyed their motherboards. Do they void motherboard warranties because overclocking blows it up? As far as I can tell there's nothing in their warranty along these lines.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
FIRST: Hardware which can be damaged by software is defective hardware by design.

SECOND: Nothing more need to say :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Alien1213:
Overclocking is not modifying the bios...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xTRICKYxx:
This is why I buy Asus now. They market their company through the consumer by doing awesome **** like this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] il5a:
Opperation done! Congratulations!

I'll buy one as soon as possable! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FunkyMcBain:
Except that if you changed the BIOS with some custom BIOS, or wrote custom firmware for the devices in it they would void the warranty just like what Asus and HTC say. This is embedded hardware, nothing like a PC. You might install Linux on a PC but you've done nothing to the underlying firmware of the devices. You change the bootloader you're changing the 'BIOS', you fit a turbo to your car, you void the warranty. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out, for now be happy they will do it at all, you just have a choice to make now.

About the GPS thing, I'm not too sure it'll fly to just say oh it doesn't work. I suspect that in the future they will redesign something and offer RMAs to people who want it fixed. But again, that will depend on how much outcry there is
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Norcalz71:
so the title has been changed to operation done. however, given the response to the GPS issue, is it worth everyone still bombarding them for a viable solution to that problem as well instead of the cop out of removing it from the spec? It would seem, at least in theory, that retooling to produce a plastic (cheaper even) backplate or a combo plastic/metal backplate would, in the life cycle of the device, not be incredibly expensive, nor difficult, for the ASUS to implement.

That is, assuming the root issue really is the metal backplate causing signal loss to the GPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FunkyMcBain:
Disagree, hardware that can be damaged by software is working just the way it's supposed to. You can sure as hell melt your PC if you overclock it but there is SOFTWARE that makes sure you don't.

---------- Post added at 01:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:35 PM ----------

I don't like it either but it should probably be a different issue from this. I would think that in time they will redesign something to help the GPS work, prob a plastic piece to cover it or something, then we can start a fight to get existing devices retrofitted

Oh ya and for the bootloader, who knows if they only offer it to certain people who are "developers" or to everyone
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
You fit a turbo to your car, you dont void warranty for body. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GatorsUF:
I like that they unlocked the bootloader obviously, but if I understand correctly that means I can't rent Google Movies? That kinda sucks...

Possible work around for that?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justwonder:
Torrent?:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _Gir_:
Absolutely. Read the comments on Google Videos in the marketplace. Anyone with a rooted device is denied rentals.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
Lol. I don't know many (any!) people who still rent movies.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CoolWaters:
I don't think so. There are express warranties, but there are also state common law warranties of fitness and merchantability. I don't think a manufacturer could easily waive a consumer's claim. I'd certainly like to see the language and know what the consideration was for the waiver.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vittogn:
ROOT only?

Will I be able to root the TF (no custom ROMs or kernels) just to have su and use apps (titanium backup) that require root, without going trough the ASUS unlock tool?

I can leave with official ASUS fw (seems to be good and timely in updates) and I do not want to loose EU 2 years warranty (these toys are often faulty!!).

tx.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Myque:
Shall we post thanks now on the same sites We claimed for the unlock bootloader? :P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bubigrega:
Good move Asus.

I can see stupid person unlocking his Prime. And he decides to install Galaxy Tab 10.1 ROM so he could enjoy TW UI (maybe)... He bricks his Prime. Tell me why should Asus pay for repair of his stupidity?

Or maybe he is smarter and installs new version of CynogenMod. And this version has fatal error in code (not likely, but still) and after 2 days of usage of this ROM 9.985 Asus Transformer Primes are bricked. Why should Asus pay for repair of all that devices?

They make their software and they must pay for their mistakes. I see no reason why they should pay for fixing other mistakes.

Give them a brake.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mletchworth:
Wow, social networking is good for something. Next petition: ASUS send Amazon some f@cking inventory!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TigerWolf24:
What does a locked boot loader mean? Does it mess up the capability of using android market apps or amazon app store? I am NEW at all this stuff and I have no idea what a boot-loader does when it is locked. You said at the first you can't do custom ROM's and overclocking... What is that stuff what will the locked boot-loader cut into and disable for the average user who does not do any developing or modifying?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
So again, this hardware is defective by design.

Hardware is supposed to be running software. If software can damaged hardware then it is wrong. And you can be sure, that not only software can prevent damage hardware. In modern PC, if you take off heatsink from processor, it stop work but dont damage. And this is controlled not by software but hardware.

You will not loose your 2 years warranty in EU by using unlock tool. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
Great job everyone and go thank asus please its the least we can do
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vittogn:
Why shouldn't I?

Tx.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
Because it is against law. No agreement can be over law. It is fundamental principle of law. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] askpcguy:
Means the device can only run the rom originally installed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gary Key:
I would read the law again before you assume the warranty cannot be voided due to your actions. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TigerWolf24:
Even if the boot-loader is locked can I run all the apps available on the Android Market or only a select few? Does it mean I cannot customize anything? Can I use the Amazon App store and Android Market?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Predseda3D:
Gary, i dont say, that warranty cannot be voided due to my actions. I say, warranty cannot be voided by agreement between me and ASUS. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
Isn't Apple the same way? Jailbreaking voids warranty so you just revert back to stock and then they fix it?

Won't it be the same for Prime? Revert back to stock so you can do warranty repair?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] defTwitch:
that doesn't work if you voluntarily void your warranty to use the unlock tool
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
So once the unlock tool is used, there's no going back? I'm new to this also. TIA!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TigerWolf24:
BUMP

Please someone help me out?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnnyutah22:
yes, you can use amazon market and android market with locked bootloader, unlocking it is for using custom roms, kernels, and other modifications
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
Untill I see improved results without the backplate I call BS on blaming it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TigerWolf24:
So it doesn't lock the apps and make only a select few available? I can use the Mrkt to "the full?"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] defTwitch:
unlocking the bootloader here has nothing to do with apps

all the apps work regardless of unlocking your bootloader
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justwonder:
I know unlock bootloader will open the door for everything, but will it root your device also?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] askpcguy:
I just sent a mail to usa@bestofmedia.com to get the story on Toms Hardware.com
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] josteink:
Root is lower value than the bootloader, as it simply means admin-rights within whatever OS you are running.

A bootloader controls what OS you can have running.

But I'm not sure why I'm telling you this, because seemingly you know that that 'it opens "everything"''.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
So you can root without unlocking the boot loader?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
Yes, an unlocked bootloader is not necessary for root to be achieved. That said, we don't have a means of rooting the device as of yet. The previous rooting method was blocked in one of the early firmware updates.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Haro912:
Nachoroot made by jcase this morning roots the latest firmware
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] new2q9c:
THANK YOU!

and THANK YOU!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jetbruceli:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/ne...complaints_tells_modders_hang_tight_and_relax

Nvidia always!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
ELooks like asus is looking to put it on xda developers to fix the many issues with the prime, not a bad idea and it will sure save them a lot of money but is a rather pathetic move.

Atleast we will finally get root and fix the prime for them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ultrastigi:
You can download apps and use the market and Amazon and all that. Just can't rent movies through the market. It will take your money and when you go to play it it will say you're rooted and can not be played. They wont givevu a refund.

I have a rooted bionic and I use Netflix and Amazon and everything flawlessly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ajkid93:
It limits nothing, to the average user that is. You can change home launchers (launcher7, go launcher ex, vtl, etc0) you can still gain root access, you can even flash custom roms (at your own risk). You still have full access to apps from any market (google, amazon, slide me, etc). With root you can customize the theme and remove the frustrating bloatware. People say you don't "own" it, but you still do. They mostly are fools (unless they know what they are doing), because you can seriously damage the hardware messing with cpu frequencies and voltages. Most don't and just want to join the troll wagon and blame someone else (Asus) when they are at fault for ruining their device. I myself will most likely mess with the kernel, as I know what I am doing, enough to know how to use nvflash if I mess something up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The_FNG:
I absolutely LOVE this!! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
Thank you sir! I guess I'm a little behind!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Haro912:
No problem. I have been chatting with jcase in irc:-P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jonny68:
Very pleased to hear this and all being well i can now purchase mine at the end of the month:)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] burgertime:
Wow I'm a social media manager for the company I work for and it's always amazing how facebook and twitter have changed the game when it comes to marketing and branding. Good job everyone for forcing the change. Nothing puts a company on notice like bad PR.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
You can root only if there is known exploit that allows rooting. You don't know if there will be for newer Transformers. Also as you yourself said having access to the bootloader allows using nvflash and fixing things if someone messes something up - so having open bootloader makes bricking a device by "average user" much less probable (because if he does someone can show him how to unbrick with nvflash).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
Did some folks miss the point that your warranty will be void? No such direct condition before, so suggests Asus will check for rooting, if a bricked our defective device hits their service agents.

Sure, we can assume it was void prior too then having to say this, but their wording suggests no more blind eyes on warranty device submissions. They will probably check first.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] di11igaf:
No usually they will send someone to your home and have you fill out the paperwork(the two gentlemen who visited me were named Vincent and Jules- nice guys). Then they do a full inspection to see if the tablet will be in a fit environment. Then you have to get a physical and they'll get back to you in 3-46 weeks with their findings.

That's how it works with HTC not sure how Asus will handle it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leo221:
indeed. just like marketing people wants people to "like" or "+1" their stuff, negative information about bad behaviors may also go viral. the key is to stop them ASAP before irreversible.

for asus, at the time they don't have prime tabs in stock to go around. so they aren't selling any. if they don't stop people "bad mouthing" the product, even when they catch up production, damage is already done. just look at amazon reviews, 5 stars to 3 in a few days.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Wow you guys better not have ruined amazon reviews this was not meant to affect sales! Just get them to unlock it!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jatkins09:
The threat of affecting sales is what got them to unlock it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Yeah but amazon stars are permanent
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ajkid93:
I hate to have said I told you so, but... Told you so! Remember when I said not to give it bad reviews just because of the bootloader? Then everyone said that it doesn't matter, that they would just change the reviews once Asus made an announcement.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] novaIS350:
definitely not returning mine now that they've promised a bootloader solution and now that I've played with it. This thing is a monster! The Full HBO GO site works with HQ streaming, 1080p flash videos play flawlessly, full HD high profile videos play flawlessly, and HC 3.2 does not lag at all. I cannot wait until devs get on this.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Just as long as they change them to five stars the GPS doesn't make a device! That's what a 75 dollar Tom Tom is for on blackfriday lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Godswrath:
Everyone can (and should IMO) change the number of stars on their amazon review.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LouisRLinux:
Your logic is flawed. Unlocking the bootloader in no way makes Asus liable for "bricked" devices. They don't have to pay either way.

I have loaded many systems with junk software that made the system unusable. Luckily, these systems had unlocked bootloaders and could easily be reloaded. Most of those systems had access to a recovery CD and/or partition which made this very easy for me AND the manufacturer never had to be bothered.

Asus should just provide NVFlash or a similar tool for download that would restore the original image as if this "device" were a computer.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand ... it was about DRM and who really owns your music, videos, PC, wife ... OK ... the wife was a step to far ... sorry.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] leo221:
the fact they will push out ICS on 12th may also related to GPS/bootloader sales threat.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
We have a version of nvflash once they unlocked the loader we can use nvflash! It might take some work but it can be done!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ajkid93:
I'm pretty sure that's not the case, because Asus had said they would bring ICS to the Prime either in late December or early January. They even said we could have the locked bootloader before ICS, but it was make the ICS release take a lot longer, and vice versa.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mmrox117:
Kind of a noob question but with an unlocked bootloader, do we even need an exploit for root? couldnt we just flash a rooted rom? thanks- mmrox117
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Swiftks:
Yes, you can flash a ROM that includes root access... like CM7/9.

Some ROMS will include root, some will not.

*Edit*

I'm just gonna go ahead a do a preemptive face palm for all those noobs on the last few pages, who are like "Will my apps still work with a unlocked bootloader" etc. etc.

*FACEPALM*

Here's to you bricking your device, b/c you're all excited about getting an unlocked bootloader, and have no idea what that means... please, please.... please educate yourself before you just dive into something and brick your new Prime, which you no longer have a warranty for. I.E. if you don't know what it is or does, or can do for you, you most likely don't need it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] h0l:
You know what is really funny about this whole unlocking process? It took one strategically good forum post and a little spreading to get a device unlocked officially. There are millions of iDevice owners, and they have been waiting for years for this to happen for their devices - and they will have to continue waiting :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
most of them are to dumb to do anything if Apple did unlock it which would never happen!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Rob Irizarry:
No, of course not. They just let you tinker with voltages, work directly with the hardware and possibly turn the whole thing into a pile of molten metal. No possible harm in any of those.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] droidx2.3.3:
Funny? Maybe.

Epic? YES!!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] pandaball:
No matter what, you WILL lose your warranty since this is standard practice for most manufacturers who offer unlocking solutions. If you screw the tablet up as a result of your actions, for example flashing a corrupted ROM etc, that's your fault. If it screws up because of some other reason, yell at Asus enough such that they agree to fix it as a 'gesture of goodwill' ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nhshah7:
Best thing I've heard all day hahah