yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cutetia_82:
ICS update from Samsung-Malaysia- SUCKS?

Hi,

I am wondering if I should revert back to GB or stay with ICS and HOPE for their updates. I have the "more stable" version DXLP9.

Got my ICS today from Samsung via Kies and phone starts lagging. Videos are choppy. Games ran half way and stopped(black screen).

Can someone advise me on this?:(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] skywalker1162:
I had the same doubt but I decided to revert to gb for now till the more prominent bugs get fixed
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Android_GR:
Guys, I need some help.

My SG Note runs Checkrom NoteHD v6.

What do I have to do, to install the stock ics rom?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] emze:
simple. download from sammobile and flash using PC odin. that is the safest method.

you will, how ever, lose root. but there are root kernels available for ICS.

---------- Post added at 08:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:19 PM ----------

once on ICS, always on ICS. well, that is how i am. it is just not laggy for me. in fact, GB was extremely laggy for me.

coming to your issue, you need to do a factory reset(not from recovery) for your phone. try doing it from settings or by using the following code in your dialer

*2767*3855#

PLEASE NOTE: i am NOT responsible for damages caused to your phone in the event of a superbrick. i have, how ever done both methods on my device and had no issues what so ever.

please DO NOT try the recovery factory reset.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] wonsanim:
Good to know,I'm also on LPY now and I like to flash LQ2+CF-Root but I'm not sure if is safe plus I read many users complain about the wifi and phone calls situations
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jeffs99:
this is what I did:

1. Started with a rooted GB

2. Flashed stock ICS LQ2 with PC Odin, lost root but went fine, no prob

3. Did the CWM.zip and BusyBox thing as per instrctions listed, got root, no prob

4. Did the SuperSU thing flashed through the temp CWM Recovery, SuperSU/root still works, everything else worked...wifi worked fine too...no probs...

5. Using Mobile Odin Pro, flashed CF LQ2 kernel...this is where probs started...

including wifi stuck on aquiring ip address, when I start mobile odin, it never completely starts up, but pop message does say Mobile odin grated su previledges. Same with Titanium Backup....never fully starts but but pop message does say TB grated su previledges...

6. Flashed back to GB with PC Odin...

7. Rooted GB.

8. This time I started Mobile Odin and loaded both LQ2 ICS and CF LQ2 kernel (also selected wipe cache/dalvik cache) and flashed...seemed to go well and rebooted and had root...only thing was that when I typed, I got nullnullnull...read about this earlier and searched for this...read some where that i needed to reflash LQ2 CSC only from LQ2.

9. Using PC odin, loaded LQ2 rom to CSC box only, ..all others PDA, PIT, etc, left blank ....went fine...i no longer have nullnullnull but I also no longer have root...sigh...

I will flash back to stock GB rom and root it...I know I can flash a rooted GB directly...but I prefer the other method... after that what are steps I should follow?

What I want is rooted LQ2 ICS with CF-LQ2 kernel without out going through CWM.zip and busybox...prefer going to CF-LQ2 without going through CWM.zip...

Thanks!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ioki:
I lived through the partial rooted experience you have written here and several times with fresh installs of LPY, LPF and LP9.

got back on the rooted ics track by following the cassies extralite rom how to.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] leandroaps:
plamki, I just flash the XLQ2 Irelnd from Mobile Odin, everything is okay, including data and settings, the ROM just update the PDA, but, if you want, you can make a full wipe after a complete reboot.

Ps.: I am was using the XLP9.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xuggs:
Hi. I think I have soft bricked my device. It would fail at factoryfs but using the above it now moves along and gets stuck at datafs for eternity. Is there anything else I can do? Thank you.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ara_ffat:
For those having wifi issue after root CF kernel & still you want root with CF..you may try this :

1.flash rom using pc/mobile odin

2.on stock recovery flash the CWM(touch version)

3. Flash SuperSU 0.89 on CWM

4. Reboot

5. Flash CF kernel using MO

Try this..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] yappoe:
Hi,

I have both N7000 and SHV-E160L (G-Note Korean version).

I assume this method can also be used for SHV-E160L as well?

for that matter, will it also work for Galaxy SII? I'll be helping my friend flashing and rooting new ICS stock on Galaxy SII as well. It would be really convenient if I can use one method for all three. :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bdastoor:
CSC Unknown

Flashed the XXLQ2 firmware and the corresponding CF Root kernel using CWM (thrice now). Flashes completely. Phone works. However the CSC is shown as unknown. On typing *#1234# in the dialer I get :

PDA : N7000XXLQ2

PHONE : N7000XXLPT

CSC : UNKNOWN

Build Info : Tue May 22 10:55:16 KST 2012

Since the phone is working smoothly, wifi, internet etc. all fine. But its still a minor irritant. What could be the cause?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Restart N check

still error, Reflash CSC (U will lose data)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jermitano:
just to be safe, use it only on your n7000...every unit build has its own procedure...you cant do a sweep across procedure for all your devices even if they are the same unit (and much more with the s2 which has a different set of files to use)...no shortcuts mate
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tony888:
Hi All,

I flash/downgrade to N7000OZSKJ6 using Dr. Ketan's installation guide, root the GB rom, then now wants to upgrade to LPF ICS ROM I was always stuck with the following messages in PC Odin:

<ID:0/013> Added!!

<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..

<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..

<OSM> Please wait..

<OSM> I9220_APBOOT_I9220ZCLPF_CL567385_REV02_user_low_ship.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> I9220_CODE_I9220ZCLPF_CL567385_REV02_user_low_ship.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> MODEM_I9220ZCLPF_REV_05_CL1144476.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> GT-I9220-MULTI-CSC-OZHLPF.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..

<OSM> Leave CS..

<ID:0/013> Odin v.3 engine (ID:13)..

<ID:0/013> File analysis..

<ID:0/013> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/013> Can't open the serial(COM) port.

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)

Is there any steps I missed? If I use paranoid rom using CWM installation then no problem, I want back to stock ICS rom, please help, thnx in advance....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bdastoor:
Restart wasn't a help. Didn't want to lose data. Went back to LPY.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] gurnishdhillon:
Fear of the Brick bug .......?

I see a lot of ppl are still on ICS whether official or custom ,,,,whereas i once was on LPY myself i reverted back to GB for the fear of the Brick bug,,,,,,

what i wanted to know ,,,is that the whole fear about bricking,,,has it died down now or ppl are taking more risks to enjoy ICS now?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] plamki:
The strange thing is that, usually after flashing without full wipe the phone became laggy and there are many FCs, but this time, despite missing a full wipe, the phone works perfect...very stable and fast...for now :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xunet04:
I have ICStunner 1.4.26.1 and i want to install ICS stock 4.0.3. (Germany). I tried via PC odin, but it stuck and it just won't boot. Then I went to CWM (phone+vol up+power) and i flashed again stunner same version from my sd card(just to keep my phone alive). It works fine but i want to go to stock version. Can someone help me, thx?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] JazonX:
Just Noticed on SG Note Update Checker (http://twitter.com/#!/SGNoteUpd)

5/June/2012

08:23 GMT *NEW FW* Spain/Unbranded (N7000/ZBAFOP) N7000XXLPY/N7000OXXLP5/N7000XXLPT/N7000XXLPY

08:23 GMT *NEW FW* Spain/Unknown (N7000/ZBAPHE) N7000XXLPY/N7000OXXLP5/N7000XXLPT/N7000XXLPY

Last One on June 01st -

09:04 GMT *NEW FW* UK/Ireland/Unbranded (N7000/ZBAXEU) N7000XXLQ2/N7000XEULP4/N7000XXLPT/N7000XXLQ2
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fpabernard:
Hello, I flashed this one from GB.

N7000XXLQ2-------4.0.3-----------2012 May-----------N7000XEULP4-----United Kingdom / Ireland

I decided to use Mobile ODIN rather than CWM, as with CWM you cannot flash in one operation the firmware and the kernel (or you lose root). I did not want to have a GB kernel with ICS firmware (or ICS kernel with GB firmware ...)

No problem with CSC.

I flashed afterwards corresponding CF LQ2 kernel - still using Mobile ODIN. Once again, no problem.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bdastoor:
Yes you can flash both kernel and firmware simultaneously using CWM. Just keep the kernel file in the "firmware" folder as well in ".tar" or "Zimage" form. Just FYI.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fost4real:
Hmmm. am still on UK ics no issues so far.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] harrisfayyaz:
hey i want to flash this stock rom N7000XXLQ2-------4.0.3-----------2012 May-----------N7000XEULP4-----United Kingdom / Ireland

an currently im on goatrip ics rom based xlpy , speedmod kernel, how should i proceed? thankx
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jazztrucker:
jeffs99

if u had followed my gb to lq2 ics wiki in this thread, you would of saved yourself alot of heartache

good luck.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kurantong:
can i use this method on GERMAN LPY ROM?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
yes

but any reason to quote full post??
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kurantong:
sorry doc...

please delete the quote icon :o

thanks to you doc...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
only you can do it

just edit that post and delete quote portion
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] NLS:
Delete the quote icon because you cannot use it properly?

Just don't press it then.

Or edit what is in the quotes like I did with yours (eliminating all those empty lines that served nothing).

And google for Netiquette.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] GunnerGeezer:
Great Info on how to install stock ICS over repack ICS! I'm the newest of noobs and even I found it easy! Many thanks!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] schiwa:
Hello Doc,

I flashed the following stock India ICS couple of days back, from kies,

N7000DDLP8-------4.0.3-----------2012 May-----------N7000ODDLP8

nevertheless my note was purchased from UK,

Now,

I'd like to pc odin this stock UK ICS

N7000XXLQ2_N7000XEULP4_XEU

from your first post, is this ROM is the latest?

Any specific comment from you?

Thx Doc
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tony888:
Still no answer, please help me, tnx :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zubin111:
Hey Doc,

I am on official indian ICS ROM, I copied CWM and SU installer in the sd card, booted into recovery and installed CWM (went fine into CWM touch recovery) installed SU, rebooted. Its rooted. Now when i switch it off and again go into recovery, it goes into 2e/3e recovery and not into CWM, is that something i am missing here? I come from SGS1 so i know that up+home+power leads to CWM so not sure if thats supposed to happen here too or there is some other way around...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Yes LQ2 is latest, you can straight way flash wth PCOdin

Just flash PDA (No re partition, leave pit/phone/CSC empty)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
This rooting methos give you temp CWM. If you want it permanent then you have to flash CF root kernel.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zubin111:
So that means for installing a custom rom u need to flash CWM again and install the rom without rebooting?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
It seems error on PC side, just reinstall proper driver(you can find it in my signature)

It simple, if your device won't get connect properly, no procedure will succeed.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] iyousif:
Hi dr.ketan ,

I flashed the XXLQ2 and get CSS unknown, restarted and still unknown.

Since the XXLQ2 is one file how can I reflash the CSC only now?

Thanks!

Update: Got it! Thanks!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] amey2606:
Hello,

I am currently new to SGN development, so can anyone tell me what does CSC mean.............................?????????????????????

And also whats the difference between CSC and PDA..................?????????????

Thanks.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Select csc tab in odin(in place of pda) n point to same rom file you hav used to flash rom.

Remember flashing csc, you will lose data.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] shikhar:
stuck at boot image

hi Doc, i was fine at kingdroid rom v2,0 and once i thought to flash kindroid rom v2.1

i think i have bricked my phone. i can reboot phone in CWM mode and allows wipe factory/data and also falshed other rom ,,it says complete but when i reboot the sysm, it is stucked at boot image-(galaxy note N7000),,no clue..need help pls,thanks.

i tried to flash ICS leaked rom(chinese)(before i had no issues whenever i dd this leaked rom ICS chinese via odin) bcz i am in HK, it stays stuck at factoryFS only.

thanks.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Replied ur PM

chances of brick is very high, though once try flashing stock GB ROM and wipe cahce n wipe data if successfull flashed.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] shikhar:
hi doc, i tried flashingN7000ZSKJ6 2.3.5 2011 october N7000OZSKJ6 HK with pits 32GB and it worked,,stillwating to finish,,ist on hidden.img now..fingers cross...anything suggestion after this,,thnks
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] nfribeiro:
Is the eMMC bug fixed. I saw everyone updating to ICS... :confused:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] wonsanim:
No Fix for the moment:( but we update at our own risk:confused:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] shikhar:
hi Dr ketan,,i am still getting stuck at hidden.img no clue,,i read, the pit file has to be very correct ONE!! bcz there are many fpit files on 32gb which is right for mine?,,mine is HK phone. thanks.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] n1cky6969:
ICS weakness

Hi all,

I am flash ICS LP9 on my SGN, Does anyone encounter screen gradient banding on grey / dark blue/ dark brown background?

I can see the gradient banding very badly on the "setting background color (grey)" of application friendcaster v5.06 and some applications that use above mentioned colors.

If I compare my friend's SGN which in GB ROM, the background color on the setting of friendcaster application was fine (no gradient banding found). Then I compare again with my another friend's SGN which in ICS LP9 too, it show the same problem with mine(gradient banding is exist).

Does anyone have solution to fix it? Hope samsung will notice this problem and release the new update to solve it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rainbowboy:
I have problem with Typing after reflashed to LP9.

Error typing with stock keyboard ... always typing null.

Any Idea?

Btw is there any way making ICS support Link2SD?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jeffs99:
Not sure if this works on LP9, but it did for Lq2,

reflash LP9 CSC file.

It will wipe your data though, but you won't lose root.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
It shud be according your device

there are only 2 types of pit file for note(N7000) either 16GB or 32 GB and you shud use accordingly.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] wonsanim:
I Just finnish flashing LQ2 using MobileOdin Pro and also flash CF-Root v.5.6 no problem during the prosses:D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
first release of june

N7000XXLQ2-------4.0.3-----------2012 June-----------N7000OXELP6------------Russia-------------------------------------Download / Info
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] gurnishdhillon:
Hi Doc,

Welcome back ...

Umm,,Wanated to know which ROM are u on currently?

Also , what precautions are you taking to avoid the brick bug from happening ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
I M on Indian stock ICS

Just avoid wipe data N hard reset on ICS

as well not using nandroid backup/restore
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] gurnishdhillon:
Actually for me the scary thing on ICS was what if something breaks and I have to hard reset my phone ,,and I guess that's why i ended up going back to GB since I have a habit of putting and removing too many apps in a single day ....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cswithxda:
What's up Doctor. There is still this potential issue with ICS? I haven't been following closely on the topic recently, but I decided to wait when it first came out a month ago. Still no clear and official word concerning hardware safety?

The other thing that held me back from flashing ICS is all kinds of complaints that I saw in this thread. Not that there's no compliments, but just rarer than the complaints..

My phone is acting weird recently (on 2.3.6 Open Germany), 2 signal bars top all the time right at where I used to get full signal, and it only happens on WCDMA mode, if I choose GSM only, it's full signal. Don't know if it has things to do with lame AT&T though... Anyway, that was why I started looking at updating to ICS again. But seeing your warning about hard reset and nandroid backup, I just have to back off :( I rarely use hard reset, but I definitely need nandroid backup. Sad face here..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MaverickCoast:
Root needed if already "Forever Rooted"?

Source : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1647148 Thanx to deathst

Rooting Gingerbread ROM

Here is post, how to root galaxy Note

Device Which are Not Directly rootable, can Root this way.

- Dont use PC odin to flash such ROM

- Already Flashed - then first Flash Directly rootable ROM

- Install Mobile Odin Pro from market, and Flash Not directly rootable ROM, with Mobile odin with 'ever root' option Enable.

Note : After update if getting keyboard error, "null null", flash with mobile odin with CSC file.[/QUOTE]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does the forever rooted feature on Mobile Odin NOT work if you used it to install the GB ROM before installing the stock ICS ROM via CWM?

I take it that you should still flash the Abyss Kernel before going from a GB to ANY ICS, correct?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xda890:
I am running custom ROM ICS (RRv3). Can I just following the instructions in the first posts to downgrade to old stock GB? With PC Odin and only the tar.md5 file, and not choosing Re-partition etc?

Regards,

BTJ
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MaverickCoast:
BTJ, When downgrading to GB from ICS ROM, I've always installed Abyss Kernel first (CWM), then installed stock GB with Odin. My choice of stock GB ROM has been KK1. KK1 has 4 files to use with odin and comes with rooting tool. After installing rootable KK1 GB (N7000ZSKK1_N7000OZSKK1_TGY), I then root, and then use Mobile Odin to upgrade to a more current (not directly rootable) GB ROM (My choice - N7000XXLA6_N7000XSAKL1_XSA). Using this method I've had no issues.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] schiwa:
Hello Doc,

I did that twice after installing ics, so far no prob, am i to face any problem later? also am still on stock. shall I flash back GB rom and forth?

I found many have done that, any kind of problem shall be expected?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cyberpingu:
If you use Franco's kernel v3+ the brick problem should be fixed. As far as I understood with that one there is no need to downgrade even. Point it out if I'm wrong.

Inviato dal mio GT-N7000 con Tapatalk 2
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
it says it can be occur after upto 30 hard reset, so better to just avoid wipe/reset till confirm news about removal of bug.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xda890:
Yes, followed your method and worked like a charm... Thx... :)

BTJ
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] NoBodysGamer:
Dr. whats the recommend ICS rom as far as battery life and good WiFi N connectivity?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] nikz106:
I miss the function of touch key light duration only in the dark..

And adjusting brightness by swiping finger over notification..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
N7000XXLPY-------4.0.3-----------2012 May------------N7000OXXLP5-----------Poland-------------------------------------Download / Info

N7000XXLPY-------4.0.3-----------2012 May------------N7000OXXLP5-----Czech Republic(Vodafone)-------------------------Download / Info

N7000XXLPY-------4.0.3-----------2012 May------------N7000OJVLP6----------Morocco-------------------------------------Download / Info

Added to OP
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tony888:
Dr. Ketan, thanks fo ryour help, I tried reinstall on both computers but no avail, I can flash the GB but not the ICS, in ICS here's the new message:

<ID:0/003> Added!!

<OSM> Enter CS for MD5..

<OSM> Check MD5.. Do not unplug the cable..

<OSM> Please wait..

<OSM> I9220_CODE_I9220ZCLPF_CL567385_REV02_user_low_ship.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> MODEM_I9220ZCLPF_REV_05_CL1144476.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> GT-I9220-MULTI-CSC-OZHLPF.tar.md5 is valid.

<OSM> Checking MD5 finished Sucessfully..

<OSM> Leave CS..

<ID:0/003> Odin v.3 engine (ID:3)..

<ID:0/003> File analysis..

<ID:0/003> SetupConnection..

<ID:0/003> Initialzation..

<ID:0/003> Get PIT for mapping..

<ID:0/003> Firmware update start..

<ID:0/003> boot.bin

<ID:0/003> NAND Write Start!!

<ID:0/003>

<ID:0/003> Complete(Write) operation failed.

<OSM> All threads completed. (succeed 0 / failed 1)

Before from stock I can flash from GB to ICS, now I can't. Its weird....:confused:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Are u flashing i9220 rom ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] claude4:
Am I wrong to expect & wait for ICS version for Open Europe?

Dr. K, I wanted to add +1 for all your help and efforts as you know, your guides and efforts have made it possible for so many of us, I for one always turn to your posts for guidance I know I can count on. Thank you very, very much!

my GNote is currently on ICS baseband XXLR1, kernel LPF

Are we to expect an ICS for Open Europe?

(Yes I know this has been asked but I did not see an answer about this being definatly something that will be released at some point or not).

I find that voice recognition over BT is not at all accurate whereas it was no problem for me under GB. (Plantronics Voyager Pro+ BT headset)

I get better recognition results when I speak directly to the phone, with BT off, and was wondering if this might not be an issue with the "radio" portion of the ROM I am using? Sorry as I am certain I am not using the proper terms here BUT is there another radio rom I should try in order to get better reception between the phone and my headset? (I come from Windows Mobile, hence the terms used).

Battery life, to me, has taken a big hit vs. GB.

Love my GNote, love ICS but this voice command over BT (using Voice Talk) has really taken a step backwards AFAIAC.

Also I noticed that when I try to edit text, whereas I used to be able to tap on the "carret" symbol in order to get a choice list to cut, copy, select word or select all, is no longer working like it did with GB. Is this an indication that I have something fundamentally wrong or is this a change in ICS?

I hope these disconnected details give a cleue to someone who might care to share an opinion on what I should do to address these issues.

Thanks in advance and that you good Doctor.

VTY,
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tony888:
Hello Dr. Ketan, Is there any difference for i9220 and n7000? I download this file from sammobile: I9220ZCLPF_I9220OZHLPF_OZH, now you mention it should I only download those with N7000 in the filenames? Thanks in advance, newbie in note, hehe.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
Of course both are different and you should not use.

Here OP have already listed all available ROM, have you ever seen any i9220 ROM in list?

Download stock ROM from OP and flash it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dr.ketan:
@claude4

Thanx for compliments

Samsung have no policy to declare anything abt future release of firmware.

regarding BT, i never used it, but will let you know whenever i will find.

During text editing here on top we an see symbol of copu,cut and paste too.