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[Motorola Droid RAZR] sniffs:
F this. I was a huge fan of Motorola, but they are BITING THE HANDS THAT FEED.

I wont ever buy another Motorola product, nor will I suggest it to ANYONE in my company.

I am the cell admin for a company that has over 36,000 employee's. I order all the smartphones.

I will never again suggest Motorola devices.

Petition signed.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
They didn't edit my post at all :s

I guess they just don't want you saying bad things about the company on THEIR website?

Sounds like they know how bad of a decision this is LOL.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Since they are actually making decisions that are really worst than leaving a comment on their board, I thought they wouldn't.

:D :D :D rofl :D :D :D

P.S.: If anyone wants to support what I'm doing for this, please

instead of posting new messages

on the Anonymous Facebook page (this is spamming...) can you simply comment and/or put a "Like" on this?

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...67535846637282&ref=notif&notif_t=feed_comment

In this way we'll look educated and maybe we can be heard from 'em!

Thanks!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
GREAT IDEA
[Motorola Droid RAZR] wanderfowl:
Although the unlocked Razr is a nice gesture, the fact remains that many people need the bootloader unlocked on the phone they have, and this does absolutely nothing for them.

The reason many of us wanted an unlocked bootloader in the first place is that, for instance, the Bionic's software was incredibly buggy, bordering on unusable, despite excellent hardware. With an unlocked bootloader, the community of people stuck with the Bionic for two years could do for themselves what Motorola refused to: Improving the damned software to get a working phone.

Having moved (by Verizon's graciousness) to the Galaxy Nexus from the Bionic, I see the power of being able to run whatever software you please. Stock Android 4.0.2 has some bugs, which are already well fixed in most custom ROMs out there. Additional bugs are open to additional fixes by generous developers, and in many cases, these ROMs can actually be an improvement on stock units.

Locked bootloaders leave the end user, even when rooted, more or less helpless, no matter their technical skills. No matter what problems you can see in the code, you're at the mercy of Moto and the Carrier as to when (and whether) your individual unit will see the upgrade (and they're already focused on their next flagship device). This is why I feel that a phone with a locked bootloader isn't really your phone, and why I will never buy a phone with a locked bootloader again.

So, it's nice that a developer without an existing phone could have a Motorola now and be able to do something fun with it, but it's the power-users stuck with a Bionic (or a similar combination of incredible hardware and awful software) who really need the bootloader unlocked. We don't want our phones unlocked for fun, we want to be able to fix our damned phones when you, Motorola, can't or won't. And releasing one "Developer Phone" isn't going to do that. MOSH on.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Papapau:
Guys, were leaving one motorola blog loose..

http://www.motorola.com/blog/

They keep on posting great things about their smartphones.. They talk about it like their made with rainbows and butterflies as if there are no problems..

I believe voicing out on that blog will make other people who doesnt know our movement will be aware..

Oh and let's not put senseless posts there.. Their products are good, its just their promises to consumers.. So what I do is post something like this:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bfd1513:
Not sure of this has already been posted. I have a motorola electrify from us cellular. When I got it the bootloader was locked but the unlock method for the photon worked. Then there was an update from software version 2.3.4 to 2.3.5. This relocked the bootloader and there has been no success in unlocking it again. So from reading the original post this is motorola not Verizon. Of course that is probably known....just fyi.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Knirfie:
I wish the D2G would be unlocked. Moto/Verizon's own firmware is just too crappy and till now all CFW's still use an older Kernel.

I have since stopped using and have switched to a i9100.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sporttster:
I just will never buy another Moto phone. It's too bad, too because they do make good phones. The MAXX would be the ultimate if it were unlockable. But you get some twisted thinkers in upper management think their crap don't stink and they can ignore what customers want and then you've got a Company in decline and sales fall, public opinion drops and then said arrogant bozo's get tossed out on their keesters. Wish we were at the 'keesters' faze right now....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/tech...tions-facebook-page-fake-email-account/37152/

everyone read this! if we cant get them to listen maybe getting there facebook page taken down will get them to listen. According to Facebook privacy policy if some one files a complaint on copy right issues there facebook page is automatically disabled till the matter is resolved. it doesnt have to be true just file a complaint
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Bump.

Oh and sign this petition here

http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2

OP should put this in the first page...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It is on the OP. Three times. .____.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] WVULTRA:
It's in the OP/first post by clicking -Petition-

;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] hidden_hunter:
moto didn't publish my comment about why are Australian users not getting an unlocked bootloader. None of our carriers have complained...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Well call me crazy but I just ordered a developer edition ;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
Why would you do that?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Because I'm crazy and maybe, just maybe it could pave the way to unlock all bootloaders once I've got it and then spoken with some devs. Unless someone gets one we will never know.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/10/2...-fcc-violation-story-that-is-floating-around/

Read this
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mioze7Ae:
Yeah, that's why every. other. carrier. in the US has locked Motorola bootloaders, too. *rolls eyes*
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
The reason htc devi es were unlo kex was because they petitioned verizon

http://www.incredikernel.com/?p=403
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
There is nothing anywhere that says that their contract has anything to do with bootloaders. Just stop.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Worldwide, actually.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
I waant even looking for that thread but if u want it. Those articals proove u perition. Verizon they will give hence htc. Give me a minute to find that article
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
Well just incase I filed with the Fcc also.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
500 signatures, I guarantee you, were not what persuaded anyone. It was the attack launched on HTCs social media, and they did not mention Verizon once in their (many) announcements.

PLEASE stop. This operation requires that we work together, not waste time arguing.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
175 and growing
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Im not arguing im tryinv to get u to realizs ws need to petition verizon as well not just verizon.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
File a.complaint with the fcc. Heres why:

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/10/2...-fcc-violation-story-that-is-floating-around/
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Petition that motorola isnt doing a thing about the bootloaders. Thats good. But file a complaint with the fcc about verizon.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] miffy4:
I agree, cell providers DEFINITELY listen when you file an FCC or Better Business Bureau (BBB) complaint. I filed one against Sprint for ETF reasons and I got a phone call from the CEO's office... It is a good way of being heard.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
We cant have one with out the other. Verizon will not allow the unlocked bootloaders on there network bc it creates security issues. But buy locking them they are violating the fcc. The open device policy which states any phone can be used on any network. So first step should be to getting on verizons buttom. File complains. Even if we get moto to unlock which they already have tool to do it. It was suppose to ship with the phones but verizon said nope. Next step is motorola getting them to release the tool beforeee the ics update
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
~~~or so they claim~~~

But they allow laptops, desktops, PS3s, Wiis, and other devices that may or may not be easily hacked on their network via their Wireless Hotspot service.

Durrrrrr.

Anyways, I have an update. The petition needs only one more signature to reach 200.

I've prepped an open letter to Motorola's corporate members, if you wouldn't mind emailing it to them as well, I'm adding it to the OP.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
246 as of now.

---------- Post added at 12:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:15 AM ----------

+1 on that. they wanted to replace my bionic with a revolution/TB/ or charge. Filed a complaint with BBB and they offered the rezound or Razr.

---------- Post added at 12:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:16 AM ----------

Really? LG Revolution, Samsung Charge, Nexus, now the Rezound and TB just to name a few.

Dont want to sound like a ****, but you should really do some research before posting
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ZolaSlo:
But if it's Verizons fault for locked bootloader on Razr, why are all, worldwide, non-Verizon phones locked too?

br Zola
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
Its not VZWs fault. Just a way of Moto trying to pass the blame.:mad:

Heck and the phones I named above were just 4G phones, not including 3G smart phones.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] theEnzy:
Petition signed, hope it will help somehow.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
How many signs does the petition need to reach? Heck, I see the limit increasing every time! =/
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bb12489:
I thought it was already confirmed that it WILL NOT help our bootloaders on our current devices because of the eFuse? (correct me if i'm wrong) that are one time programable?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sevenup30:
It's right with statue code 1 for engineering, but with the unlocked bootloader it might be code 2 and could be port to our devices.

Well i hope
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Metsäsika:
I may wait with pleasure your future discoveries, mate. ;)

Maybe we will finally unblock our bloody bootloader. >_>
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
I said that.

It will anyway be Code 2, but I was talking about the eFuse that disables/enables the "oem unlock" procedure, not the case if the device is an engineering one.

Actually, the lock/unlock function is enabled or disabled by eFuse.

I mean, there can exist a device that is factory unlocked but NOT relockable or, if relocked, not reunlockable, only because an eFuse is disabling those bootloader functions.

Obviously for engineering devices everything is different, because the eFuses of an engineering device are all blown to zero (secure:no).

I'd say 99% the Dev RAZR features the unlockable bootloader only because of the value of that eFuse that disables or enables the unlock function.

But 99% is still 99% and there's still that 1% that I'm not right saying this: what I'm saying about the utility of having the Dev RAZR's BL in our hands isn't "scientifically tested" so I may be wrong about this.

I hope I am, but I doubt it.

Anyway, as you can see ianford10 is getting a Dev RAZR and as soon as he'll get it, we'll see if the bootloader and its eFuses are different from our regular one and know something of really sure.

In the meanwhile I may get an Engineering RAZR from Semseddin that will help me a lot to find a way to port kexec for bypassing the BL. It's not 100% sure (tell me if in this world there's a sure thing that isn't that we'll die sooner or later :P) that I'll success on this, but it's worth a try.

Don't thrash your hopes.

There are still some.

The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,

--kholk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] got556:
Appreciate all you dev's working hard to work around these locked BL's.

It's rather disgusting the way Moto is acting with this.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ocdtrekkie:
Why not just unbunch one's panties and realize that Motorola will be under new management in a couple months anyhow?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
And that's confirmed is it?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sniffs:
It's only Motorola Mobility that El Goog bought, and from what it sounds like, Google isn't going to change much on how they run.. keeping hands off.

So who knows..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ocdtrekkie:
Well, the likelihood of Google not buying it is pretty slim. There's a very good chance that Google will at least push Motorola in certain directions, more vanilla and less locked bootloaders being the most likely shoves. I even saw a rumor suggesting Google had a CEO replacement for Motorola Mobility in mind, though that was purely rumor category.

Honestly, nothing has irritated me more in the last month than "Unlock my bootloader" and #OPMOSH spammers. They irritate other users far more than they irritate Motorola, I'd bet. I think it's purely hilarious some of the posts in this thread sound something like this: "I posted Unlock my Bootloader 40 times on Motorola's Facebook and got banned! WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY?"

Spam is wrong. Doesn't matter why you're doing it.

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"Only" the entire mobile phone and TV set top box company? Motorola Solutions primarily does stuff like police radios and other enterprise-level wireless devices. They don't do phones, and it's a completely separate company now.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] MyNarwhalBacon:
I was hitting the Google+ Moto page and accidentally clicked send feedback. A dialog box popped up and it asked me to highlight what the problem was. Well I decided to let them know.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] casaroli:
Google will let Moto die.

They are partners with Samsung on the Google Phones.

And they just bought Moto for the Patent portfolio they had, and to make Samsung (and some other Android phone manufacturers) less risky on taking a lawsiut.

I believe Google won't be touching Moto's market plan for like 1 year or so, and then they will let it die.

I was in hope of Google using the exceptional moto engineers to develop very good hardware and use is as the Google Phone (aka GNex). Well, I wish google could start making phones like Apple do, and it would be a nice world.

But... In the real world, the success of android (so far) depended on Samsung, and Google will not break the partnership with Samsung while they are making their OS more popular.

That said, unfortunately now I expect Moto not to release any updates or bootloader unlock solution for their phones, they will lose (even more) market share, their customers (us) will be very mad and then moto will finally die.

Sad situation, but thats what is hapenning.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
I don't know if Google will let Moto die.

Just think of it... why should I kill a great source of income when I can make profit of it?

Motorola Mobility actually is a company that seems to be trying to suicide themselves but since Google will have power over it once the deal will be approved, if they let it die they would have spent a lot of money for killing something that is still alive and that can give real monetary profits and benefits with just a little effort (changing the software lockdown policy).

Motorola Mobility (..well, it was "Motorola") is a well known cell-phones (and PDAs!) manufacturer and that won't change in another year: yeah we're everyone angry, but well, don't lie at yourself, if they will change their policy and become really open, supporting openness, you'll buy their products because they're making really better hardware (in quality!) than every other OEM, including Samsung.

Samsung devices feels like crap in your hands, I've owned a SGS2 and I can say you it felt like a damn plastic toy in my hand.

Probably Google won't let Moto die. IMHO.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bfd1513:
I doubt they will let it die. Motorola not only makes cell phones but also makes other communication devices for various industries. I am a firefighter and can tell you they have a large share of the public safety radio communications market.

Look at your cable or satellite box and it probably says motorola.

Letting it die would me losing more than just cellphone users. Hopefully if the buyout goes through Google will use motorola for more than just its patents.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
There's this magical thing called organized protest... That's what this is. It's protected in the US constitution.

Motorola Mobility is being bought out by Google, AFAIK. Not Motorola Solutions.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] nepotu:
I must say that I'm a bit disappointed. In more than 30 days since this topic was started, we managed to get only 7K signatures, while there are more than 50k views and around 500 replies here on XDA. :(

I had greater expectations, taking in account the amount of "publicity" for OPMOSH. Come on people! In the summer of the 2011 ibproud managed to get over 10k signatures in a shorter period. If you really want to rise awareness you should sign the darn petition.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] LeopardSurd:
I think the same. These we are! Most of Motorola devices users are from SUA and Asia, they can really increase the number.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
It doesn't show a lack of desire, it shows a lack of hope and a bitter realization that no matter how many complaints 1% of their customer base can generate it will never translate into enough $ for them to be overly concerned. Especially with the mass market appetite for eye candy & basic functionality, which the RAZR provides without any extra effort on Motorola's part.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
They're already 1/25 the value of Samsung and posting huge losses. They should be scrambling to fix things, but because of Google buying them it doesn't even matter.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
Making us happy now is all academic cuz reputation & goodwill is too little, too late for their bottom line.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
I didn't know where to post that, so since this is a movement for unlocking... I'm posting it here.

I've verified the Developers Edition RAZR vs Retail RAZR: sbd_dis is set to 00 on DevEd. and to FF on Retail.

The bootloader is checking for sbd_dis to enable the lock/unlock procedures, so the Retail RAZR can't be unlocked with the Developers Edition bootloader.

Saying that because I've verified on my own RAZR.

I'm sorry for the bad news.

The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,

--kholk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Wow that was fast getting the developers edition, mines not even shipped yet :(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Think in light of the recent news posted by kholk it would make sense to cancel my order with Motorola for the developer edition :(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Disappointing.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Yours is a GP OMAP..... :p
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
That sucks right? :-P
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
Time to jump ship! Selling my CDMA Droid Razr (Verizon) with webtop. Anyone interested PM me.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mcfisch:
I assume it won't be that easy to just edit the Bootloader-Image before flashing to make it expecting an 00 instead of a FF while checking the eFuse; right?

What about a Bootloader-bypass as we had on our beloved Xperia X10 before having a Hack to unlock it?

Edit:

Oops, have seen now there is already a discussion about a bypass/2nd-init...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pulsarvp:
Guys, why are you even buying the developer edition? it is like approving their policy.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
I must say I cannot understand why people are buying (falling for) it.:confused:

I will never ever buy another Motorola product. Their attitude towards their customers is beyond belief.

Boycotting their products is the only way to get them to listen.

Hit their bottom line.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sevenup30:
i agree with you, but i understand and thank devs who buy this.

Because they try to help all of the owner of razr with locked bootloader. Even if they buy the developer edition, i think they are not agree with motorola.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
The developer units won't be GP?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Well I have to laugh at this.

Not only do Motorola not listen regarding the bootloader they also do not listen when you wish to cancel your order for the developer edition. Has been dispatched and whinging its way to the UK by DHL.

Motorola are a joke and predict eBay listing is coming :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] niksy+:
Will something happen when we hit the 7500 mark? :D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sevenup30:
Finger crossed :rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] stunno:
Can you not just refuse delivery under the distance selling regs? Iirc by law you have 7 days to cancel, and not accepting delivery is a good start
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
Ah good thinking, cheers for that :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Nope, they are HS, with sbd_en set to 0 (unlockable).

Only engineering devices are GP!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] oddbubble:
guys anyone got a link to the tweet from @motorola saying that they are going to unlcok the bootloader on the RAZR as After 5 phone calls and a dozen emails I think I am starting to get somewhere or im just being force fed more lies
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bigdaddy168:
What about trying to bruteforce moto's rsa key? Something like a folding@home community... I know that the chance of getting the key is very low, but it's worth a try!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
I wish you luck on your journey of lies with Motorola.

Think you have more of a chance selling snow to Eskimos!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
Tell us more!!!!!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
no way really... plus there are several keys, not only one.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It's never been said anywhere other than on motodev, and a carefully worded comment on facebook saying that they're looking into bringing an "unlockable version to Europe" (which sounds alot like the Developer's Edition and not a bootloader unlock". Luckily, it does say that they're planning to bring a SOFTWARE unlock on MotoDev, still.

http://moto.ly/icsboot
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
I'm up for a community based folding@home like project. I know its time consuming and everything, but its better than just sitting and begging moto to do something they won't. Not now at least, maybe after the merger they might.

So, how do we get started?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mattlgroff:
They said software on motodev?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pOOBAH1973:
The software that came with the dev edition, which allows unlocking the dev edition, but not the retail RAZR.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
Lol that was from back in Oct before we learned of their lies.

Seriously people Moto will not listen to spam on their social sites, nor any petition that is under 100k in signatures. The only thing they will listen to is their bottom line. HTC knew this. HTC knew that we may be small in numbers, we have a powerful voice that can send waves in their pocketbooks. We need to boycott their products and stop anyone we know from buying them. They want to set themselves up for failure, why stop them. I can promise they have some drastic drops for this quarter they will listen. I picked myself up a Galaxy Nexus yesterday. Its nice to develop again. If you people cave, and keep buying this crap, then they will just do it more. I don't know about you, but I DO NOT want a future where if I want an unlocked phone, I must pay full price and have no warranty. If you guys want that future, then by all means, keep giving them a reason to do it.