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[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
IMHO, we should wait to see what happen.

I'm in the Android community and especially close to Motorola Android community since the Cliq era (having myself 2 Cliq, a CliqXT, a Defy, (had a bricked Atrix), and now a RAZR), and I know there are people inside Motorola really commited to helping the community, although publicly it doesn't always appear so.

Those people at Motorola actually do listen to us and preach our voice towards the upper layers in the corporation. I know their engineers also listen and study some contributions made by dev from the community.

They say they would, and I personally want to trust and believe they will.

However I understand it's not easy to make a company do a U-turn. there are a lot of things that they need to take into account, and of course the main is business, and money.

Let's also think that they may not release an "HTCdev" like web site, or tool to officially unlock, but what about all the leaks we find? I mean, do you really believe it's luck that we are still able to "cheesecake" the dev motoblur clouds? They could probably protect them better! They just don't serve us _____ (replace with unlock, root, ...) on a silver plate. But they don't chnge things to fix the holes either.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] vzscrd:
Yes i agree with you.... Not everything is served on the plate... i know some of us are losing patience, but isn't patience a virtue? We do not know if what are the plans of Motorola... we have the freedom to stay with our RAZR and wait for the "supposed" unlocking of the bootloader and enjoy the benefits of it, or we can look for other alternatives.... I love my RAZR and as long as it satisfies my wants and needs, im fine with it.... :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] oddbubble:
I have been using the argument that the page for the razr went live before the post on the motor blog was posted and that is false advertising , and stern taking to trading standards they agree I'm just waiting for a email back from them to find out what they are doing next
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kb7sqi:
********Apparently I upset some folks. ;-) Post removed. ********

Take care.

Steve
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
While you are talking to them about false advertising don't forget to mention the FM radio that was touted and that appears on three pages of the user manual.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pOOBAH1973:
Also read the disclaimer on page 61 of said manual? ;)

"All features, functionality and other product specifications, as well as the information contained in this guide, are based upon the latest available information and believed to be accurate at the time of printing. Motorola reserves the right to change or modify any information or specifications without notice or obligation.

Note: The images in this guide are examples only"
[Motorola Droid RAZR] djkail:
I call this a lie. The disclaimer is a protection against lawsuit...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sporttster:
I'm all for a forced opening operation. Like SETI where a large number of computers intergrate to look for 'Aliens' in space, we need something like that. A large number all intergrated to scan for the keys. We either sit on our hands and wait for our next upgrades to get out from under this phone(s) or we do something to help. What can we do to help get this ball rolling and force this key?? I'm not about to wait around for Moto. They'll never do anything, HAVEN'T done a thing! Let's intergrate this thing and get the ball rolling!! BRUTE force, baby!!:cool: We need something like a app we can DL to do scanning, get multiple hundreds/thousands scanning this thing to get it opened. Any ideas???
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
I have zero doubt that the people at Moto that are devs like us are behind us 100%. They want what we want. The problem is the decision makers are so out of touch. Hell I doubt they can do anything more than turn on their own products. That is the issue. The ONLY thing they care about is the bottom line. How many private jets they can afford. If they should upgrade their number 8 vacation home. Its that we need to boycott. They WILL not listen to us, nor will they listen to their own techs. You have to make them listen.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] oddbubble:
Some thing like that might work in theory but I don't think we no what type of encryption is used, and that makes brute forcing it very hard without having some kind of starting point (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Also it would require people who know what they are doing to monitor things because it could potentially be used as a botnet if we are not careful
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
Without saying that brute forcing encryption sounds like a delictive operation to me...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sporttster:
If we're trying to break into a Bank or rip someone off, yes. That's a obvious 'delict'. This is not. This is brute forcing something that should have been opened to begin with. Why on earth they'd encrypt it is a good sized question to ask Motorola. Locking is one thing, encrypting shows intent to, with absoluteness, prevent access. That alone should tick off developers and those who want this unlocked. Honestly, I'm not sure why I care anymore. Just thinking about it being encrypted makes me pretty angry and ready to totally dump Moto for good. This whole situation is akin to dragging a dead cow down the road waiting for it to jump up and run off.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] MyNarwhalBacon:
Looks like the FCC has heard my complaint and will let me know the results within the next couple days.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It still does, I believe.

EDIT: Yep.

http://www.motorola.com/blog/2011/10/24/ice-cream-and-bootloaders-and-motorola-–-oh-my/

(That's where http://moto.ly/icsboot points, but it looks like that's down right now...)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
Huh?!

10 char
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
The encryption is the locking, nothing more. (actually it's signing, which is a kind of encryption)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mrctony:
Yes "Unlock the bootloader".
[Motorola Droid RAZR] aussiepro:
I posted this to motorola australia's facebook page yesterday:

'Hi I bought a razr a few months ago and am wondering why the bootloader is still locked? I'd appreciate some info on when we can expect it to be unlocked.

Thanks'

I received this response:

'We'd like to be able to chat to you regarding the bootloader comments you've made. If you email us your contact details to motorola.aus@gmail.com we will get our dedicated Customer Care Manager to give you a call. Thank you.'

So I will see what the outcome is when they call me. I will let you guys know how it goes.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
You people seem to not understand who are the real players here... The people behind G+/Twitter/FB pages can do little to get the BL unlocked... Eventually they also need to moderate their threads/pages/wall to remove all the spam.

If there were even a chance they could convey our voice up in the insides, you're minning it occupying them to do thread cleansing instead of customer representation and preaching...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sevenup30:
i agree, spaming is not the solution. it never been and will never be.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
That sounds like a more positive attitude, from both sides.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Motorola with a gmail account? Really?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sgt. slaughter:
Pretty sure spamming is what got HTC to reason with their bootloader issue....

just saying.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
May not be the best place, but how do I get ICS on my phone? Is there some guide? I'm currently on AsiaRetail. Is there any guide detailing the entire process?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] polaris441:
Find the ICS thread by kholk in dev board
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
You can try to flash my zip, look in the Dev subforum. http://www.goo-inside.me/devs/adlx/umts_spyder/ICS-leak/ICS-adlx-signed.zip
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
SO i flash ur zip from AsiaRetail? I thought it was only for EU rom?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
Looks like we're losing momentum...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
They just posted this on their European Facebook page in response to a question:

"Hi guys, thanks for posting. As soon as we can share more info on ICS timings we will let you and the community know. Thanks for your patience."

Same old rubbish they keep feeding us.

My advice to anyone is never to buy any of their products ever again. I certainly won't.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
I remember the first petition. It gained a lot of attention fast and before we knew it, Moto replied with the lie that they were going to present a solution before 2011 ended.

This petition, although it gained traction, lost momentum fast. Maybe this is what Moto was counting on.

It sucks the way Moto is handling the situation. Instead of gaining loyalty, it's losing what little following they have left...

What a damn shame!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sporttster:
Moto will be the last company I look to in the future for smartphones due to their stubborness in responding like HTC did and unlocking their BL's. HTC did the right thing when confronted by their customers. Moto has done just the opposite. I don't play well with a company that does not listen to its customers.....:mad:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] garywojdan81:
It all comes down to money. Either they can't or they won't jeopardize their alleged arrangement with vzw & nothing short of $ will change that. Corporate execs are notoriously short sighted when $'s on the table. Better to please the shareholder you have NOW than the consumer you MIGHT have tomorrow.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] oddbubble:
I just had a call back from Consumer Direct who work with trading standards

Now as long as you brought your phone direct from Motorola and the blog post was what convinced you to buy the phone you have a case that it was miss sold

but the final decision rests with a judge if you want to take it that far

there number is 0845 404 0506
[Motorola Droid RAZR] digitaltelex:
You guys need to raise hell. That's the reason you guys got so much coverage back in May of last year with the petition. Do something drastic, make more of a fuss because honestly I've already done my part with the open letters, dozens and dozens of comments, contacted their public relation teams, spoke to representatives at the Consumer Electronics Show and all that.

I have no stake in the entire affair anymore, I went out and bought a Galaxy Nexus at full retail just so I don't have to get ****ed over anymore and I suggest you all do the same. I have convinced at least a dozen of my friends to get the GNex and I assume if you all do the same, they will take that loss seriously. Make it known how many issues would've been avoided that the average consumer has to deal with on a daily basis IF developers had the ability to modify the kernel. Talk about reception issues, talk about battery life, talk about how overall the MotoBlur experience is terrible and developers improve products exponentially.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] digitaltelex:
The fact that this thread hasn't been replied to in nearly 24 hours is an example of what I was talking about above.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
I guess everyone is either moving on or planning something big.

I hope it's the latter...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Topgun966:
Vote, moving on..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] LeopardSurd:
Moving for selling Moto devices and buying HTC or something else. Today HTC unlocked more bootloaders.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
I agree. I really wish that I hadn't swapped my Sensation XE for the Razr. I would have had ICS a couple of months ago.

You only need to look at the Sensation page on this website to see how much an unlocked bootloader attracts development.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
The RAZR board is dying. :(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] adlx.xda:
I wouldn't say that. A lot of work is being done, and achievements are on their way, even if not yet published.

Patience is a virtue. Or, if you aren't patient, you can always contribute ;-), there are many ways to help the community. :-D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] MartinMKD:
Share the link to the first post of this thread everywhere

Just wanted to share what all I have been doing to make unlocked bootloaders on Motorola a reality:

1) Copy the http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1419815 to your bookmarks

2) Go to Google News or Yahoo News or Bing's engine - and search for the latest and greatest Motorola phones - like the Droid Razr or the Razr MAXX. This is what people typically read as they either investigate buying a phone or researching whether a phone is good/bad/whatever....

3) Go to the 'comments' section of the top 10-20 websites and...

4) Make a small comment about the facts - Moto has locked bootloader, promised to unlock it by end of 2011 but didn't, and a quip as to why an unlocked bootloader is a good idea- and use words that anyone, not just techies can relate to - such as "being able to replace the GUI with a more functional, custom GUI", "fully utilize the hardware", "install any operating system, not just Android, as they become available", etc.

5) Make the comment generic enough so that you can cut and paste it everywhere to raise awareness of the state of Motorola phones.

6) Offer people an alternative - Samsung, HTC, etc.

7) Repeat this as much as your time permits.

The point is to target high-ranking sites that Google or other engines pick up, share the word, and gather consensus to have Motorola clean up its act and unlock the bootloaders as they promised.

Real power is in the consumer - meaning, any one of you, us. We vote with our wallets, and don't you forget that, ever, in any capitalist country, that is how we shift things.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
We're at 8,147 out of 10,000 signatures. Don't let this die!

We can still get Moto to listen, we just need to push harder...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Android_Monsters:
Just signed the petition. Makes working on my gf's bionic a bi###
[Motorola Droid RAZR] nespresso33:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/22/2...ownload?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Maybe soon on our Razr ?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Huey85:
errr.. not likely.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kanonk:
Why do we need exactly 10 000 signatures?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sniffs:
Why is it we can score 50,000+ signatures in a few hours when this board went offline for the protest against SOPA/PIPA but we can't score 10k signatures in months?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sonicfishcake:
because xda is for all phones not just the razr. People with other phones probably couldn't care Less whether moto unlock our bootloaders or not. I think they'll get unlocked eventually regardless. I think this has probably gone as far as it's going to go to be honest. Spamming moto's social pages clearly hasn't had the intended effect.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Beach_Head:
That was the target during the first petition. We got 11,000+ and Moto responded...

Honestly, I think we need more than 10,000 but at the rate the signatures are coming in, we might not even reach 9,000.

---------- Post added at 04:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 PM ----------

Sadly, I agree...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bigdaddy168:
Don't give up guys! Something is changing: http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/2...ogle-will-appoint-dennis-woodside-as-new-ceo/ :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
Motorola Razr EU version, bootloader also locked?:o
[Motorola Droid RAZR] onslaught86:
Yep. And so is the developer edition, hardy har..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
err..what the heck? How can they write that the bootloader is unlocked in the dev. edition and then when you recivied it its locked? :S

http://www.visitm.de/en/razr-dev

so this one IS not unlocked even when it states that it is?!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] sniffs:
There's a difference between

"Locked but unlockable"

and

"Locked and encrypted"

We're all dealing with encrypted bootloaders which unless we have the key, is impossible to unlock.. I think locked bootloaders are fairly easy to unlock but I could be wrong..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
Anyway I think if this go through http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-to-replace-jha-as-motorola-mobility-ceo.html

We'll see things happening, hopefully good things..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Semseddin:
Hopefully bro hopefully, fully unlocked motorolas !
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
Yes, I still have not decided to whetever to buy the Razr. Will see if the bootloader gets unlocked
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Semseddin:
Dont buy it if you're a rom mania like most of us here. You will get stuck with deodexed roms with stock kernels.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] digitaltelex:
When I revisited Motorolas page, they had made me unlike the page and now I can't post comments at all on any of my devices. What the ****?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...-giveaway-poll/page__view__findpost__p__20177
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Bmatthews11:
wheres the atrix 2 love?

In the email you mentioned a lot of moto phones but not atrix 2. Can you please add that to the email.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/2...tails-their-stance-on-bootloaders/#more-63166

Lmfao look at this BS
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
Wont belive untill I see it. kholk need to provide evidence.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Albinoman:
http://pastebin.com/vuVfaQ7U

Evidence...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
We've seen that e-mail before... It was sent to one of the admins on DroidRZR word for word. Ugh. I think it's time for a class action lawsuit tbh. Who wants to be "that guy" though?

They were definitely used as examples. The email implies all Moto phones affected.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
Thanks I also wonder..if the bootloader gets unlocked will it be like Xperia x10, where it loads the stock kernel first and then the custom kernel? (longer boot time)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Albinoman:
I don't think it would load the stock kernel at all.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] m.ksy:
Any news about unlock?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] maarawoe:
What are the chances that Motorola will unlock as they promised?? :-(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] leisures:
Mmmmm i say 0,003%

Motorola ones it has your money won't care at all......

Enviado desde mi XT910 usando Tapatalk
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
if we get the kexec we dont need anything from motorola, let wait and see if kholk is real or just bs
[Motorola Droid RAZR] MartinMKD:
Galaxy Nexus!

Tired of waiting for Motorola to keep their promises... I just bought the Galaxy Nexus - it rocks. Unlocked and rooted in less than 2 minutes, and you can install anything you want on it, including perverse stuff like Windows 7 Phone :), or write your own OS...

Guys/gals - if you want to get Motorola to act, please spend your money elsewhere and share the bad news about Motorola so even more people will cease to pay them money.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
sooner or later the BL will get unlocked if not by motorola, by the community
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Haloman800:
Just submitted an FCC complaint against Verizon, and posted a few times on Moto's facebook wall.

Everyone's participation helps!! WE CAN DO THIS, TOGETHER!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It's never happened before other than proprietary software leaking so...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] amberkalvin:
Submitted my Complaint to FCC

So i submitted my complaint to FCC about 4-6 Weeks ago and recieved a letter that was a forward to someone "higher up" but i felt like verizon was defending that person before even reading it really. sounded pretty stupid. if they are not going to unlock my bootloader then i say that they need to replace my razr for free or at least let me purchase a "developer edition" for the difference of the cost.

I'm still really ticked. i get madder and madder everytime i think about it!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Can we get the remaining 800 signatures to at least hit 10k before we let this thread die please~
[Motorola Droid RAZR] romdroid.:
signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] yalkowni:
Signed :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] scott021467:
Signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Dr. Hurt:
Signed.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Mortify1:
Signed it uppp like a boss.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pOOBAH1973:
not necessary... with the developers edition you can also use unsigned.;)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] The Magician Type 0:
Signed!

So close, less than 400 left!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] razrman79:
Signed!!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Signed

Thanks for signing! Invite friends to join this campaign:

It's almost there: 9,632 out of 10,000

Shared on Facebook also.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Rouxe41:
signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] scotja50:
Thank you so much!!!!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sexywacko:
Signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Rostax:
Signed :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] darkavenger_u2:
Signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] lucidvtec:
Can i sign it again: 0 ...lol
[Motorola Droid RAZR] m.ksy:
signed
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Piaer:
Soon it's gonna to be 10 k signatures :) Did you try to spam google for unlicking bootloader? Google has really open source policy with Android so it would be reasonable to unlock bootloader...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] atermify:
You're a good man. Signed.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
What will happen when we reach 10k signatures?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Dr. Hurt:
Everyone please post the request on facebook, and on twitter @motodev @motorola once we reach 10K.

Our message has to be clear, strong. UNLOCK OUR BOOTLOADERS.

BTW, is the petition creator aware that we're almost at 10K. Is he going to send it to Motorola. I hope he keeps us updated.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] razrman79:
Only 63 more to go til it hits 10k! Just signed myself and wife!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] jmarrale:
Where do i sign?? Here then you have my signature
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
What will happend when we reach 10k?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] yalkowni:
Nothing
[Motorola Droid RAZR] The Magician Type 0:
Now we have to get to 15k? Dang...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] FReQ Z:
Signed as well.... even though I don't think Moto cares.

Btw, its over 10k.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Okay. Gonna revise the OP tomorrow, I'm exhausted. Thanks for your help everyone, 10k is HUGE!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] torikorocks:
Maybe they will listen if it hits 1 million :rolleyes:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Newbieshwa:
IF this is so, why is the international version not unlocked?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] EclipseX:
Put the link over Motorola Facebook. Of you see they have 300+ coments begging ics and unlock bootloader at each post

Sent from my HTC Rezound
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
Lol agreed that does not make any sense
[Motorola Droid RAZR] maarawoe:
That was exactly my question to Motorola...- I have an unbranded phone for full retail price, I am not from USA and I don't care about Verizon and the Verizon doesn't care about me so why do I have to have that bloody locked bootloader???

As usually, I got no answer...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] wanderer87sg:
SPAM Motorola Facebook!

www(dot)facebook(dot)com/motorola

I am very frustrated with their locked bootloader policy.

Let's spam every of their single post about unlocking their bootloader policy EVERYDAY!

We have to show them that we are the customer, and we have the right to do what we want with our devices!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kulek:
I do it for 4 days.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] chuck24:
Signed!!!!!:D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Sorry about the delay, you guys, I have finals johns...

I'll get around to it ASAP.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] pedrotorresfilho:
Man, glad my vote counted. Really nice initiative [TSON]. Congratulations and thanks for your effort.

+1000
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Dr. Hurt:
Edit: nvm

Best of luck in your exams :D
[Motorola Droid RAZR] FReQ Z:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...tloader-and-why-does-verizon-want-them-locked

So where is the Verizon petition?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] eyriiii:
But what about us international users? My phone is unlocked and not branded with any carrier, I bought it without a contract..and here in Scandinavia no carrier cares about bootloaders..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] biggiesmalls657:
Signed! Come on Motorola!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] rcortese:
Signed too.

Hoping they'll hear us.