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[Motorola Droid RAZR] Adam.h.ogle:
I don't think enough people realize this: MOTOROLA STEALTH-EDITTED THEIR STATEMENT!

Let me say that again: THEY CHANGED THEIR STATEMENT!

They were previously ignoring the statement, but now they have actively backpedaled hoping no one would notice. I would highly suggest revising the comments left on Twitter and Facebook to indicate that they are now "altering" their statement to be more convenient to them. If a carrier did that to a customer in a contract, it would be legal grounds for terminating the contract. Could this be a new arguing point with Motorola?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
!FINE. IF MOTOROLA DOESNT CARE WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE THEM. First is to file fcc complaints against motorola if IS illegal for them to keep the bootloaders locked especially when they stated all razr phone where going to be shipped with an unlock feature. This.means it can be unlocked. ALL PHONES who have a bootloader have the ability to leave them.open or closed. Locked ones are encrypted unlocked ones do not. Its bs for anyone including moto to tell you otherwise. The bootloader is developed in an open state and is burned into the cpu OPEN. You cant install software on a computer that is locked.

The reason they are breaking the law or is rather violating the FCC IS by locking the bootloader they are taking the right to load , install, or FREELY use any software thats available. So im filing FCC COMPLAINTS and im going to start sending emails to verizon letting them know i will not be buying another Motorola phone.

ALSO people who read n know there was already a 10,000 petition against moto and that the petiton"died" it didnt.THEY ACTUALLY GOT A RESPONSE FROM MOTOROLA which stated that they would release a bootloader unlock the second half of the year. So from what im hearing we need to step it up and shoot for 20k signatures. That petiton never died people thought they won and got what they wanted. It didnt die. So Anyone who doesnt believe petitoning works can stfu because they GOT A RESPONCE. Thank you..
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
https://www.bbb.org/consumer-compla.../get-started/?source=cibr&bbbid=0654&bid=4980

Here is the link if anyone would like to file a complaint with the BBB RUIN THERE BUISNESS RATING
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
Also, I dont remember this level of spamming or of filing FCC complaints against them for keeping them locked. I really hope we get it all right. I want custom Kernels damn it!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
SO:] my new goal is get the FCC TO INVESTIGATE motorola on violating the open device policy:) its proven everytime the fcc getss involved verizon or motorola caves.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
ALSO just because we have doubters doesnt mean there right. DOESNT MEAN we.should stop it just gives us more of a reason to make the doubters suck longer and harder after we get them to unlock them!!

If no one tried nothing would get anywhere
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
I am not stopping thats for sure. I have already had my posting privileges suspended 2x now for spamming moto.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
I know man ive been creating multiple accounts and.spam till i im banned
[Motorola Droid RAZR] opensourcefan:
I personally think you guys are going about it all the wrong way. You guy's are doing it right in the sense of it's the way we have been taught to fight these sort of things but as you have already seen it's not that effective. Yes Moto has responded but really they told you nothing.

We live in a world where we can make a corporation absolutely miserable through bad PR. Take Carrier IQ and GoDaddy as examples. When you file a FCC complaint I don't see it. I don't see the BBB complaint, I don't see the letters that you send BUT I am the consumer that buys Moto stuff. You need to make ME (and every other consumer) see what's going on. All the Social sites are good but we have been talking bootloaders. What the hell is a bootloader to the average world, you need to use the bootloader as the catalyst and focus on the real issues, the lying and deception by Moto.

kholk is right by saying stop buying Moto stuff. However if the not even 1% of us don't buy their phones will they care.

You guys need to slam them hard. wwwDOTmotorolasucks.com or something. Get all the news feeds to run it over and over, facebook, twitter etc. Stop playing by the rules, it's not that effective. Corporations have plans to deal with you guys, they can't however deal with a blind side attack.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] frankyvee:
Requested help from The Tech Guy

Hey guys, I just ask Leo Laporte from the "This Week In Tech" podcast to help us with this movement. If you don't know Leo he also does the Tech Guy Podcast and also hates companies trying to regulate what we can and can not do with your gadgets and technology. He has a huge tech audience.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] floridaboy69:
Motorola has locked the bootloaders for the mass majority of both domestic and international BLOCK C devices. Regulatory requirement of BLOCK C devices states - "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire".

With in the last few days they edited a previous statement: "It is our intention to offer an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on MOTOROLA XOOM, in future software releases starting in late 2011"

To the current statement: "It’s our plan to offer an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on the Motorola XOOM, in future software releases starting later this year"

It is clear they are deliberately ignoring consumer requests to follow regulations and they should be dealt with accordingly.

I typed this up for the fcc form. anyone wants to use it go ahead!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Not buying Moto stuff isn't going to do anything. I've said this thousands of times. GOOGLE IS BUYING THEM OUT. Do you have any clue how big Google is? All we can do is what is listed in the OP, unless you want our efforts to fade into irrelevancy. If you don't support the movement... don't participate. Get out of this thread. Simple.

(Also technically, in doing what they did, Motorola avoided public backlash but still gave us an update. It was a pretty bright move, actually.)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
And... who said something different from what you've written?

I'm exactly trying to say what you're actually saying, but trying to be as delicate as possible with my words.

Being undelicate: the childish behavior I was talking about is exactly all you're doing with OPMOSH. Spamming. Not everything else.

It has been proven that Moto won't listen to anyone. What if a friend of yours doesn't listen to your words and still lies to you, DAMAGING you?

Would you infinitely try to talk to him while he damages you.. or would you try something different?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Infact I'm not participating and I wanted to warn you all guys of what is happening behind the scenes, in case you're blind or too much confident in what you're doing.

I only said you to make smart moves and if you think this is smart, please, continue to do what you're actually doing.

I'm not here for flaming or anything else, I'm not someone who likes flames, you should all know this.

Just open your eyes.

EDIT: Ouch. Sorry for the double post :(
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
It's not spamming, it's assembled protest. Virtually. The US protects it in the constitution.

EDIT: And note that we got a response when they edited the page. This is a smart move.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
I'm sorry if I doubt of what you're saying, but did you notice that on their page, in

2012

there was written "in late

2011

" and that they were somehow "forced" to correct their statement?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
If someone will buy a domain i will setup a website. Thats a good idea. But lets focus on getting as many FCC complaints against moto. Im not sure how many it takes before the fcc steps in but i sure its around 5k complaints before the by law are required to investigate
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Also i will start a website about the issue using a free hosting site.

Hes write in the fact that we need to make this more public. And we need to find some way to attract alot of attention. Maybe we could spend some time as well informing people how dishonest and how much the company doesnt care about there consumers soall future customers will be turned off from buying moto phones
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Which is not what we were asking? indication that the plan is still on?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] frankyvee:
If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything

Boy, some folks spend a lot time and efforts bashing this movement. Talking about how this is going to fail. Hello....... we are currently at a failed state (with locked boot loaders and Moto lying to us every time they flap their lips) what do we have to lose but a bit of our time concentrated on the positive of this movement not the negative. Could not have said any better than TSON : If you don't want to participate then don't but don't come in here making negative comments about how this is not going to work.

"A vision without action is just a dream"
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
AGREED. SO Fcc and BBB COMPLAINTS against motorola. Keep it up everyone despite the negativity if we really want this we wont stop till have the unlock tool in our hands!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] frankyvee:
Video posted on the Moto's FB page

Someone just posted this video on Motorola's FB page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMpV2jJelso&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mikedyk43:
Ouch! I don't think that phone's bootloader will ever get unlocked! (Phone in the video)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] toasterr:
I'm inclined to agree, considering how quickly they relegated the Bionic by releasing the Razr less than 2 months later.

I am starting to think this is hopeless. They are using every loophole in the book to worm their way out of this. Unless suddenly thousands of people complain to the FCC and force them to step in...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] dondavis007:
Why should it be hopeless? Motorola is not different from SE, HTC, Asus and other companies. If you make big enough wave they will try to surf...

I really dont understand the energy some put down to say its hopeless etc etc. Whats your game kholk?

With SE a year went before they figured, hey! This could be a good thing, even for marketing. Vocal customers is good for the business, in the long run...

Just keep this running!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
LETS get this forum back on topic. Lets brainstorm what can we do to make a bigger wave? We need 5000 fcc complaints and the FCC WILL step in. We need to come up with plans ideas ways to get this movment moving.

every movment has had doubters. Do we care no. Let the doubters doubt.

So who is with me!

Ideas what can we do to make a bigger punch and a bigger wave?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] opensourcefan:
I've already said it, you gotta decide... You want the Government to pressure Moto or do you want the people to pressure Moto, two completely different tactics.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] zoddfrank:
I don't understand ...

What the hell are you guys talking about? Locked Bootloader? Why does that even matter at all? I don't get it ... all I wanna do with my phone is have unlimited data plan and go online when away from home and my Motorola Photon 4G does everything I want it to do. I don't get why this is even important at all. So explain to me in a summary why it is. :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mattlgroff:
This thread isn't meant to teach you what this is. Its already been explained tons of time in this thread. Sorry if this comes across as rude but do some reading in the thread before you post. It allows the installation of any software on the device. Community can change kernals and made hardware run stronger and more efficiently.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
Go to CES and make your voice heard there. Motorola is bound to hold a Q & A session in front of a live audience/media, so one person should ask there if they will provide a solution like what Sony Ericsson, HTC, ASUS, and Samsung are doing. Spaming all the internet boards is obviously getting us nowhere, so the next best thing is to go to a bigger audience.

Hell if a handful of people can go to MWC, or raise the issue at Google I|O, it will get us far more progress than "yelling" on various Internet mediums. Even more bonus points if a tech site will make a story (and inquire Motorola) about it.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] circleofomega:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/06/motorola-unlocked-bootloader-petition/

Its already there...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
Yes, but somebody who knows Moto should talk to them about it. They're just being stubborn and ignoring social media. But like AusDroid had done, if somebody can get in touch with them and talk to them about it, an outcome will come. Or well, wait until ICS. And that's another 3 months away, at the very least..

Moto replied btw:

Motorola Europe Hi everyone. We really appreciate you posting on here and realise that you are eager for more info on Bootloader. However, some people have repeatedly posted the same comment. Please can you not post duplicate comments as they will removed. We’ve seen the #OPMOSH petition and assure you that as soon as we have more information on Bootloader we’ll share it with you guys. Thanks.

---------- Post added at 04:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:26 PM ----------

https://www.facebook.com/questions/264670886925827/

Its MIUI asking to vote. Vote for our phone.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Sedariya11:
just done that..thanks
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
I'm sending a mass message in throughout the University. Hope to get at least 500 signs.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
Motorola Europe Hey Tim, thanks for commenting on here. Our internal teams are aware that the community is eager for more news and we'll pass some on the minute we hear something. Thanks.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
Not much but atleast a response.... keep it up guys!!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Eddy T:
It's more standard Motorola; trying to fob us off again. It translates as " we are going to carry on ignoring your demands and we hope you will just go away and forget about it"

They already know what the sequence of events must be and the time scales involved leading up to the release of an unlock tool.

Just another shovel load of Corporate BS.

We must not give up or lessen our activity.

Don't be put off or taken in by these messages from Motorola.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] davwman:
Signed the petition, had my wife sign the petition and posted the links necessary on facebook. None of my family and friends knows what this is, but someone is bound to read it, sign it, and repost it.

Sent from my bionic
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
I agree completely. Lets keep going.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] shady_lanem:
The campaign may help, or it may not. Although a lot of developments can still be done to the phone without an unlocked bootloader you know... :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
If someone can get me to and in CES. I would go. But i suggest we force them using the government. Unlesss we can get 1000 people to rally infront of the ces building. Which im down for to btw
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
Standing outside CES sounds like a great idea.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
does neone know of a way we could raise money to get everyone out there?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
I think we should find ppl who stay nearby. Raising money to get ppl sounds crazy. I stay in India, I'd need 2000$
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Good point haha i live in michigan so its 300$ but yess
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Standing outside CES sounds like a good idea. Not like online petitions and something like that.

But I don't know why, something says me that the police will stop you somehow....
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
We have a petition new as well, feel free to sign.

http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2#
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Kayant:
I have started a discussion on the defy forums :D http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1426512 i think the best way for this to spread is to start a discussion in each of the motorola devices with locked bootloaders. Thank you [TSON] for starting this :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
I dont mean to correct everyone or be a debby downer butttt motorola hasnt lied about unlocking the bootloaders. Motorola also isnt the one a fault. Motorola promised an unlock for moto phones where the carrier allows it. Verizon is the one who is choosing to keep.the phones locked due to the over ride of the mobile hot spot. The key to there statement is where the carrier allows it. Verizon isnt allowing. We need to be petitioning Verizon not moto.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Also o. The note of its not an.excuse bc htc is unlocking there bootloaders. It is stated in the contract between verizon and moto that all unlocks and modification to the phones that are released by moto need to be approved by verizon. At least 75 percent of verizon smart phones are moto. So u need to petition verizon first not moto. Motorola is willing to release the bootloader on verizons ok if moto does it with out verizons consent its breach of contract at that point thats why there not unlocking without verizons ok
[Motorola Droid RAZR] reaperzero:
oh come on =_= if stuff like this worked we would have an unlocked bootloader for all of the droid's that motorola made ages ago
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Its not that it cant work. Its we are barking up the wrong tree petition all u want at Motorola its a waste of time. Verizon holds the ok for all moto bootloaders on verizons network. So n if u wanna show verizon and drop them.as a carrier they wont care ull have to pay a 300 fee
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
The only other option is to push google. Bc google owns motorola. Google owns verizon simply by the o.s. if google stops supporting android o.s. on verizon network for all phones. Moto will turn to the other carriers and verizon is left with only the iphone
[Motorola Droid RAZR] mistawolfe:
I'm so sick of hearing you say this. Do you have a link, or source? If not, it doesn't mean anything.

I know many VZW employees - they are not privy to this information. Give this little story of yours a rest.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
They said

they

would begin unlocking bootloaders 2nd half of 2011. You cannot possibly tell me that EVERY SINGLE CARRIER WORLDWIDE has said no - they haven't started in Ireland, Canada, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, US, UK, etc. etc. etc. And where are you getting this information from even? "75 percent of verizon smart phones are moto"... what? Don't you think that would put them ahead of Samsung as Verizon is the biggest carrier by far?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
No they don't. Not yet, at least. The deal isn't even supposed to close until the end of this year (2012).
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
Why dont we not argue. The people that think this is a waste of time. Good for you. But lets keep this thread on track! Maybe its the fact that ive been on asus's ass for a week and it worked but im thinking its worth a shot! Lets be heard!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
First off we are addressing verizon. Even if u convince moto to unlock them they wont simply because verizon will not allow it. Do ur research.... as for the rest of the carriers. It upon request if the other. Carriers request it they will. What you dont get it even if u convince moto.to distribute the unlock tool verizon phonss will not see it. Also for.most of verizons phones the bootloader was dismissed by verizon... so you still CANT PERITION MOTROLA AND EXPECT A BOOT LOADER UNLOCK TOOL.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
My point is not that its a waste of time. My point is u cant have oj with out orange juice. Petition verizon first and ull see that the unlocks and phones will be shipped with an unlock bootloader
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Also i appolagize for google doest officially own. MOTO but google already paid for moto 12.8 billion or somthing like that
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
The majority of phones sold by verizon are moto. I kno verizon is the biggest carrier. But again were talking about contracts between verizon and moto. Moto cant release anytype of modifications with out verizons consent. Thats stated in their. Contract.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Congrats on that i have my transformer prime. But be heard but petition verizon in sync. The bootloader business is two fold its not just moto. Everyone needs to remember that. Ive been on motos butttt since sept about the bionic bootloader n nothing has come of it. Btw i own a razr and a bionic
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ddemlong:
Just today alone I have tweeted them about 10 times, with no response. About 10 posts on FB, with no response. I have also copied the petition link and placed it on moto's site and every other android/ bionic/ razr page I "liked"
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
globed i'm not arguing with you, sorry. you just posted 6 times and you can't back up anything you're saying with sources.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] [TSON]:
Thank you very much. Don't give up!
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
We need to be pushing verizon to. Moto has a contract with verizon. So.moto cant do nething till verizons ok
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
Lol go ahead let everyone rally outside of CES AND let the police go ahead and stop us. Theres going to be so many news agencies there its going to PR worse for motorola
[Motorola Droid RAZR] davwman:
If this us really going to happen I wish anyone thats involved, good luck and make this happen!

Sent from my Bionic
[Motorola Droid RAZR] cheekrox:
Ha ha....they just might! =P
[Motorola Droid RAZR] davwman:
Umm...freedom of peaceful protest
[Motorola Droid RAZR] benefit14snake:
This.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] I_EAT_BABIES:
If someone wants to pay for my plane ticket and hotel room I'll fly out there and make quite a (peaceful) scene.

I would love a chance to speak to the press on the issue. I would make note of the fact that many people are talking about not buying another Moto phone because of the mistrust and ignorance of their consumers.

**EDIT**

Hell I'll drive out there if I can get hotel money. This movement needs a clear and articulate voice to actually be heard. I'm a com major and my strong point has always been debate/public speaking. Guarantee their not reading the comments, but if a report on the TV news went out I'd bet my life they would hear what we need them to hear.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] blkrabb1t:
I'm in San Francisco. If I was closer, I'd do it, but that's a $200 gas bill for me and I, have to be at work...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] globed:
What we need is to have someone sponsor the rally. Someone to pay for all the hotel rooms and plane tickets. ...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] floridaboy69:
Who dislikes Motorola, supports public vs corporate movements, has money and understands our argument spans beyond developers.

Lets get google to do some under the table work to make the buy out look way better on their part for buying out a s**t and looking like the peoples champ when the take it over and hopefully come around to fixing issues such as this. LOL