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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
I said it before, I'll say it again.

If you pay $10 for an item and that item doesn't meant your needs then one of 2 things is wrong.

A) Your expectations were set incorrectly

or

B) Your item is broken.

In either event, assuming you did your due diligence up front, you need to return the item and get your money back.

Persons who won't do this are nothing but sheeple, just doing whatever and waiting to be fleeced over and over again. Persons who won't stand up for themselves are suckers of the "There's one born every minute" variety.

I went through this same debacle with the GPS on the Vibrant. It won't happen to me again. What will it take to wake you Asus apologists up? Or will you just continue to be fleeced over and over again?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
if you can provide me with one alternative android tablet i can have in my hands right now that can do everything the prime does well and have a better gps, i'll trade my tablet in for it.

i'm not apologizing for asus, i want them to come clean, but being that gps (for me) is waaay down there on things i want from my tablet, i am very much enjoying the rest of the tablet, as all the other android tablets i've used run so poorly in comparison to this and either feel flimsy (galaxy tab) or are chunky and heavy (tf101, thrive, xoom, etc)

they really need to make some kind of statement though, as this can turn into a ****storm on the internet pretty fast for them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flight777:
I hope to get my Prime next week (7th of Jan) during launch day here in The Netherlands. I will try the GPS (also with roadtest) and report back (maybe with a video) if it works or not. Maybe they fixed some things in the later batches?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
That's a fair enough response, except for one factor you left out.

Google will not permit a device without a working GPS to access the Android Market. Is your device going to worth what you paid for it if you lose that access?

Granted that you have a 1 year warranty with Asus, but what if you send your unit in and get one back without a GPS?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Gnopps:
I was surprised as well none of the reviews in English tested the gps. However, as reported on this forum before the Swedish site Swedroid did an in-depth review and told of a horrible gps. So at least someone didn't just praise it with little testing: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20568774&postcount=103
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] lcuk:
But does GPS works well in the first transformer?

Now i think i'll wait till february, Maybe with ICS GPS lock would work better?

One question: Have someone tried the GPS Fix without the aluminum back of the tablet?

Because after reading a lot of pages here at XDA and on other sites. I still don't understand whether it is a Hardware of a Software problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
Whoa I didn't know this.This baby may have to go back to Gamestop if this is true!!Can anyone else chime in on this?:mad:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
ITs not true at all, that person doesn't know what they are talking about.

My touchpad doesn't have gps and I can get on the market just fine.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
I used TF101 in my car several times for navigation without any problems. It's very similar to standalone GPS in performance. I lost lock once, but it was on a very fresh install and when I have it beside me in the car it sometimes is not as accurate as when it's in the window of the car (but it's better there than my standalone GPS which looses lock sometimes). I would check how it behaves outside with GPS status but the weather is really bad. :) In my room I can't get a lock from any GPS device (too much steel in the roof probably) though, Transformer included (it sees only 2 satellites through the window, there is a high building out there, probably blocks the view).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
I don't own one but the specs I found say it has A-GPS.

All the Prime has which works within a few hundred yards is Wi-Fi location, if you discount GPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brachiopod:
I'd say that the GPS in the first Transformer works, but is insensitive. It won't lock on for me in the car or house at all, for example, while my phone and handheld GPS will. The first transformer will lock on fairly quickly if you have a completely clear view of the sky, e.g. standing outside.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jwigginton:
Does anyone actually have a screenshot of the USA page with the spec, all i've seen in both GPS threads is the ASUS site vs. usa.asus.com site.

I've yet to see the spec listed on the usa.asus.com site. Searched through the threads, but couldn't find it. This would be the before and after that they actually REMOVED it from the US site.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jordache16:
I am with you. I don't think they actually removed anything from the USA site, it is possible GPS was never listed to begin with.

Regardless, it is interesting that the global site lists it as a feature but the USA product page makes no mention of GPS.

Can anyone who has received the Prime find any documentation in the manual or even on the box regarding GPS?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chipworkz:
Its not on the USA site because GPS doesn't work as good here.

J/K :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] 7Bit:
Its mentioned on the box, see attached screenshot!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
It was there, if you read thru the treads, there are screenshots..

and it is still here:

http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/

note: NOT aGPS!!!

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Not true...aGPS only means assisted in initial lock, once locks it is supposed to become stand alone GPS....

and, all the specs i saw and see just say GPS:

http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
It's on CNET's specs site, http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus-eee-pad-transformer/4507-3126_7-35089447.html?tag=mncol;subnav

but it's quite possible that it was never listed due to human error which just so happened to get spotted because there's an actual problem with this component.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
I agree that everything should work perfectly but to say it sickens you that its not a deal breaker for some people is a little silly. Everything on my Prime is perfect except the fact that I can't cold boot in airplane mode and lock satellites indoors and away from a window. Outside it locks quickly on a cold boot. And once it locks that first time it will track me on Google maps in my car. I personally will likely never use my tablet's GPS function. Grab a barf bag stryker because for me it is not a deal breaker. ;) However, I completely understand how it could be for a lot of people.

And while I'm perfectly content with my Prime, it is gonna bother me if Asus is up to some shady **** like removing features from lists because they don't work as advertised.

As a side note, it is really annoying that some people are in full on fanboy mode with this tablet. The only thing worse than full on fanboy mode is full on troll mode (coughjzencoughcough)...lol.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GCurry:
GPS Spec

The Prime was spec'd with GPS on Best Buy site, and likely many others also, not by reference to Asus website, but by copying the spec. Since I bought from Best Buy, they bear some responsibility for the proper functioning of the device. I expect Best Buy to make good on the spec, or make me whole.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kiefferr:
I don't really find it surprising that GPS doesn't work well inside...GPS signals are typically on the order of -130dBm, which isn't much above the atmospheric noise level, especially if you have a roof over your head.

It also isn't surprising that it takes a solid 15 minutes or so to lock on the first time (unless using wifi assisted)...The device has to download the almanac from the system so that it knows approximately where to look for the satellites...

I'd take the tablet outside, let is sit there for 15-30 minutes (GPS on) and then try it...

That said, if it isn't working for some reason, hopefully Asus will make it right.

Fedex now has my 64GB prime in their hands, which should be here on Tuesday...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] erick0423:
What cmon Asus what the hell r u guys thinking!! Whats next need to be remove after gps? Is it the wifi!!!? wtf if you guys cant fix it dont sale it at all,,wtf this is so unacceptable from other people well mostly including me!!!

Sent from my iPhone
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] richaoj:
LOL. The last part says it all. I especially like the "r u" and the "sale".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
ASUS plays CYA like any good US company would, even better!

Regardless of the ethical, practical, and hypocritical aspects of this move, it seems that where GPS is concerned, you either get a working unit or you don't. This is one issue that really makes me wish that I was able to get mine from Amazon. In fact, if my GPS is broken, I will immediately return it to the "other" retailer and wait till I can get one from Amazon.

Rather than deal with Asus on warranty work (and who knows if they are going to be willing to fix any of these with this latest CYA bull****?) But with Amazon, I KNOW they will cross ship me a new one, at least twice. That way I am not without my tablet for a week or two,

even if

ASUS was willing to fix it, which seems doubtful.

Actually Amazon will only replace an item with new (and without securing the cost on your credit card) if: a) It's the first occurrence of this particular issue and b) You have made x $ in purchases in the last x months.

The way around doing it more than once is claiming a different issue (I don't believe they test Tablets for accurate issue reporting, but they DO test PC's that are claimed to be DOA) but in all seriousness, if I could not get working GPS after 2 returns, i would give it up. If 3 random examples fail, it's time to move on.

Sigh. I get my Prime Tuesday. That sucker is getting a barrage of tests before I play one game of Glowball or do any Web Browsing or play any Video.

Anyone seen a thread or post that combines the best hardware test packages? I am trying to assemble a suite of test apps to test the display, multi-touch. light bleed, wifi, CPU, GPU, Memory, and of course GPS.

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Oh, I don't know.... I think it's a tie with " from other people well mostly including me" for rge 2011 WTF awards.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jordache16:
I just went through all the posts in this thread and several from the other 80+ post GPS thread and all of the 'screenshots' I found are comparing the global site to the USA site. Not the USA site from say a week ago.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20841200&postcount=574

The screenshot in this post seems to be referenced the most but you can clearly see that the Opera browser in the screenshot is pointed to the global url (www.asus.com/EEE/EEE...) and not the USA specific product page (http://usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee).

I have yet to see any proof that 'GPS' was removed from the USA product page.

Edit:

I seem to have found proof:

Here is google's cached version of the USA product page (http://usa.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications) from Dec 28, 2011 01:42:10 GMT:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...201/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us#specifications

In the cached version the following items are listed under the "Sensor" section (G-Sensor, Light Sensor, Gyroscope, E-compass, GPS)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
Many people did it and still didn't get a lock or did get a lock and lost it after moving the device. Some devices have GPS broken or almost broken and some have GPS almost working.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
There are no working units. None of them can pass the driving test. People that don't intend to use it for mapping and navigation are probably fine, but, as a stand-alone GPS device it's pretty useless. It really comes down to what people are willing to accept for $500.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GCurry:
SNIDE COMMENT INCOMING .... Sure, just contact the QA department of the manufacturer, or any of the reviewers. Surely they have unit test and system test suites? ;-)

No, seriously good idea, since obviously QA and spec conformance has been outsourced to the market. Now, if only we could get paid for doing their job.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
500? Try 830! Welcome to Europe! :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Ah...but what is your European salary. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Argh...double post...sry
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jwigginton:
Gotta love, Google - :)

Wow - so they did actually remove it from the US site - now that is just dirty.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Little less then €100.

Gotta love being a student. :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Or if you want to use it outside for any reason. It is just as accurate that way as any of my other GPS devices. It comes down to it being too weak a signal to use indoors or in a car from what I can tell.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Outdoors is relative. In the wide open prairies of TX yes. ;) In Manhattan surrounded by buildings, not so much. Moving outdoors in TX or Manhattan, still not so much. It all comes down to two things: 1) getting a signal, and 2) keeping a signal. It’s better at the first if the conditions are good. It really sucks at the second. It all comes down to the GPS being sensitive and the aluminum back keeping it from getting and refreshing the signal it needs. So the problem never changes but conditions can make it seem less severe.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jwigginton:
Just sent a note to Engadget using their TIP feature with all the info and pertinent links also to the reviewer at Anandtech. I'd suggest that others do the same to Engadget, and all other sites that did a review of the transformer prime.

If Asus ignored all the launch issues, and with the GPS issue their first move is to remove the spec from the web site... unless this gets in the public eye, I think they'll try to sweep it under the rug.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Asus is lame

I've owned many Asus G Series DTR's. Their products are nothing but trouble and their Tagalog(no offense) customer service/tech support is piss poor at best.

I'm so glad GameStop allowed me to return for a full refund.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Disregard, fatigue is a wonderful thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Evo_Shift:
I tipped Android Central earlier today with this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] don_cheadle:
Other forums seem to be suffering from severe fanboy butthurt right now. They seem to despise XDA for this and other GPS related threads. They're rather upset this forum is making the transformer prime look bad.

However, I'm glad you guys made mention of the horrible defects in the Prime. I'd be pissed off if I dumped $500 on a partially working product. Sure I was looking forward to it, but I look forward to not wasting my money more.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
Looks like Asus is trying to sweep this one under the rug big time!

Last night you could search on google for transformer prime and it would list about 20-30 articles about how they have taken GPS off as a feature and have made no comments about it being defective or a possible solition.

Today if you search for transformer prime you will find only articles about where to buy it... Pretty F'd up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] psijac:
Once they changed from a 1.5 quad core to a 1.4ghz I knew they would not be able to deliver on promises.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cmat1120:
I have been trying different tests and comparing my Prime (mostly to an evo 3d) and the gps isn't great, but it works. Using Gps Test I could only get 1 or 2 satellites, compared to my evo 3d getting 7-9. In a real use test I used Maps to see how they compared. They both found my location in just a second or two at nearly the exact same time. The only difference was that my asus prime was accurate to 20 meters and my evo was accurate to 10. This was all done inside my house with all other data connections turned off on both devices.

I am not saying the the gps in the prime is great, and sometimes it doesn't work, but when it works its actually not that bad. Now maybe my testing is flawed or I got very lucky with my prime I don't know, but I just thought I'd put this out there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bestco:
So does that mean asus admitted it's a design flaw or hardware issue? Can I still send my prime back for RMA to fix the GPS issue?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
So, is Google gaming search results to benefit ASUS, or does ASUS have access to Google's algorithms to game the results themselves? One of these has to be true for your post to make ANY sense at all.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xGary:
Is this something Asus can just sweep under the rug? If we were to pursue the issue will Asus be obliged to fix it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdrussell:
*taps sarcasm meter*

TF201 / XDA premium
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] optimiss:
There sure seems to be a lot of paranoia on this forum regarding the GPS. I know there is a massive GPS issue but I really doubt Asus is trying to sweep it under the rug. I'm sure they will address it eventually.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] don_cheadle:
Well unfortunately, the more the people on here create a big fuss over the GPS issue, the quicker and more seriously it'll be addressed by ASUS.

I'm assuming they hoped everyone would be relaxed about it, so they could take their sweet time getting around to fixing it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
I'm actually tired of hearing about the GPS feature and I haven't even received my Prime yet.

I want to know when these Ice Cream Sandwich ~ Android OS 4 going to be arriving. It's January 2012 now.

I'm guessing these OS updates for tablets are FREE unlike their desktop/laptop PC brethren.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vbman213:
Yes it will be free.... ::cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spyderhd:
I see a class action suit not to far down the road. I agree with the theory that the metal case is what is causing the GPS signal issues and no software update will fix that. Asus can't take away a core feature after starting to sell the product without some sort of compensation to those who already purchased. And saying that all you have to do to make it work is turn on wifi is simply crazy. That would be like Dodge telling customers that the radio in their new truck will work fine as long as the headlights are on.

While GPS is not a big issue to me, I still paid for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] optimiss:
But some people have gps that works well with the same aluminum back. I bet it is a firmware issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Read further back in this thread and from about page 33 in the other GPS thread. It's not firmware. And if you're still questioning. It's

really not

firmware. And nobody has GPS that works well. It works under limited conditions which you'll learn about in your reading.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
@Asus @Nvidia @Google unlock our boot loader! give us root! #TransformerPrime

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdelliott31:
This really blows. I have had 5 different android tablets and just one OG iPad. I was soooo excited to be getting the TFP. Granted the hardware is ahead of the software and I knew this. However hC is buggy enough if now there will be fundamental hardware problems I will leave android and never come back. I pray this can be fixed with firmware or a better back case. I want GPS, as I pad for the complete package.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>I would however love to see some tests with the back cover removed.

You can already do this. Stand at a window with a view of the skyline, then try the GPS cold start lock with the Prime held vertically in landscape mode, facing toward the window. Take screen cap upon a lock to get lock time and signal levels. Repeat with Prime facing away from the window.

The PCB-printed microstrip antenna design in the Prime is among the cheapest, and presumably isn't the most effective.

My guess is that the alum shell is a major factor when when navigating in a car, as the back would be facing the windshield. But given reports that it has trouble getting a lock when facing upward, then GPS perf is probably marginal even if not (partially) blocked by the metal back.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nukeruss:
If you read this discontent thread and the others here on xda, they are littered with a lot of the same people posting the comments. One of the posters here complained heavily about the release delays. One got a device from gamestop with a nonfunctioning bt game controller and a game preinstalled that no one else did because it has not been released/updated yet for the prime. One of these posters actually started a thread in mid December "What if you get your prime and their are defects". I believe that poster should go back to their touchpad. Yes my phone is a little better at GPS on the go than my prime but I'm not sticking my prime in the window anytime soon. All those that think that Asus is trying to write the GPS function out of the os are smoking something. I personnally don't believe that Asus is trying to hide anything from the public and alot of people are greatly overreacting with their conspiracy theories.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Then you must explain away one fact, and you must do it using facts, not conjecture.

Why was the GPS removed from the list of sensors on the Prime on the USA Asus Web site?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nukeruss:
Who cares!! Its still listed everyplace else. And most importantly, it is and always will be in your device. No device is perfect on the first software release. The GPS may be improved with future updates and may not. My Droid x GPS is much better than my wife's. My phones GPS performance varies with the rom and probably works best with the ics rom that was recently released in early beta form.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nukeruss:
Your spreading it on pretty thick with this post. Now your saying that google is part of the big cover-up. You do know that your past posts and started threads can be accessed by clicking on your profile.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
lmao at the poor lads in denial!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Col.Kernel:
Pretty much. I went through this same pile of feces on the Vibrant's GPS.

"Quit whining, you bought a phone. Can you use it as a phone? Then you WIN!!" and other completely idiotic garbage.

I'm just trying to decide if I just want to cancel my order or if I want to wait for the tablet and sue the monkey snot out of Asus when the GPS doesn't work.

But don't worry, if I sue it will be a class action asking $250 per unit to cover court costs and the price of a stand alone Bluetooth GPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
exactly! people see the truth and obvious trolling going on. they jumping from thread to thread. won't be long before it comes to an end.

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please cancel then. obviously you are no help to the community or developement. don't let the door hit you in the back on the way out