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[Acer Iconia A500] ultramag69:
If Acer don't look after their older customers, I think a few won't be customers anymore. I left samsung behind because of their disdain to support "legacy" devices....

The A500/501 aren't even a year old and there is speculation that they won't be supported when the new OS emerges... That's shameful and pretty disgusting on Acers part if true....

How do they think that they will build up a good customer base if they screw over the people who would promote their brand best. Its through word of mouth and, lets be honest, showing off what our devices can do that drive up the sales. I wouldn't be promoting a device to friends and family if I have been, even to only my own mind, treated like crap.

I have shown off the android platform to quite a few people and because of this they have gone out to get an android device. Most times they ask what I would suggest. Why would I suggest a brand that has burned me by not looking after a loyal customer. :confused:

Rant over.....:D
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
It would be nice if they really thought that way. Unfortunately, we are in the minority. Most everyone using these are clueless and would, just like sheep, go off an buy another one.

Just look at some of the issues:

-- The FCC filed on several company's costing them millions when they broke 911 service pushing GB OTA. So, carriers with the a501 are not going to be demanding ICS. I believe Verzion even filed, in their response, that they would no longer have such a policy.

-- Since most carriers aren't asking for it, which represents the largest single group, this leaves individual consumers. If you already purchased your tablet, what's the upside of pushing ICS versus not? Yes, customers will complain (or a few), but more will complain when ICS causes things to not work.

-- So pushing ICS OTA is a risk legally and a risk to the brand. However, not pushing it is only a risk to the brand.

Will ICS be available then for the a500? Maybe, but it won't be an OTA the legal risks and costs are too great. So, if ACER is really worried about you and me, then they'll make ICS available as a download that you take all risks. If not, then you're back at looking at a custom ROM for ICS.
[Acer Iconia A500] BrianDigital:
i thought acers locked bootloader approach was due to honeycomb not being an open os
[Acer Iconia A500] :
Not sure what you've been smoking, but I sure don't want any of it. ICS is already running on phones with single core processors, and 512Mb of ram. If you think ICS will be hampered by a dual core teg2 and 1Gb of ram that the A500 sports, then you're higher than a kite :rolleyes:
[Acer Iconia A500] BrianDigital:
Yep alot of people here don't believe our community is large at all. When I sold my beloved nook color I sold it to a retired guy and he was all like you knowbthis thing can run android. People in general love ****ing with their devices XDA people or not. We can't be that small if our small uproar caused Samsung to rethink the galaxy series getting ice(it should since the nexus s runs that os so smoothly)
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Your guess is as good as mine. This is what I've heard, from ACER:

=== From ACER's support and public documents ====

1. Prevent unauthorized updates (whatever this means) (From: tech support call logs)

2. Digital rights to keep people from stealing (From: Simon Hwang Corp. VP & Deputy President of Touch BG Touch Business Group Acer Incorporated Tel: +886-2-6606-3131 ext:3620 Fax: +886-2-6615-2203 simon_hwang@acer.com.tw)

3. Issues with the FCC and 911 service interruptions (From: court filings with FCC after 911 outages various carriers)

4. Marketing strategy to allow customer's devices to experience ACER services and markets specifically designed for ACER (From: JT's annual conference speach)

5. To prevent someone taking an a500 for example and building a501 hack that affects their carriers. For example, you enable tethering on the Sprint network etc. Relates to #2 above. They state this as 'At the request of various third parties, such as carriers' (From: press releases on their websites)

6. They don't want custom software being put on that gives the device extra functionality or lifetime. (From: ACER employee's various sources)

== Speculation from various people, not from ACER ==

1. They want to prevent you from bricking your device (really?)

2. Prevent warranty issues
[Acer Iconia A500] mswirski:
It needs to be pointed out that the A500 meets and exceeds the requirements to run ICS. Some people have mentioned that the A700 would be the best choice for ICS, or that because of new API's ICS will be slow on the A500 but this is not the case.

The only known requirement is 512MB of RAM, which our device exceeds. I can speak from experience, and say that ICS (a beta build), runs fairly well on my Captivate, which is a single core, 1Ghz phone, with 512 of ram. Assuredly the A500 will have no problems running the device, whether Acer brings it to us, or the devs do.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Its all about Digital copyright and protecting carrier services and bandwidth..

this has been said over and over.. Devices are locked to protect against people hacking there devices to allow access to to carrier networks that they are not paying for.. With the added benefit you Really cant brick your device unless you Root it... while its locked down... the average consumer will not root is there thinking . I However belive this is so wrong .. most people even not tech savy users are rooting .

I think that acer will push ics to these devices .I know there was talk about google adding more security into the os.. its not all just flashy and user added apps. and ability..

if all the above you state is true jd then google will be finished.. because they are putting there whole reputation RIDING ON ANDROID ICE CREAM SANDWICH..

Its a update for the devices we have and are using now.. its a must have new hardware to run...

it was developed and designed on existing hardware.. on top all that we do not have carrier available hardware on the iconia a500...

so all the fcc carrier crap is not relavent to out device this device CAN NOT BE UPGRADED TO A A501 ITS BEEN TRIED AND PROVEN NOT CAPABLE.. without changing out the main board and so on ..

nothing...

that is just my two pennies thou i know are worth
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Needless to say, you are in the minority. Most are happy with just buying a new device.

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Custom ROMS have already proven to run just fine. So a custom ICS ROM should be ok as well. But, if the only way to get ICS is a custom ROM how many are going to do just that? Everyone in this group, yes. Your great aunt Betty, or Bill-Joe Bob, in other words 99.9% of the people will just buy one with ICS. ACER knows that. And like it or not, a carrier NOT wanting it because of the FCC all adds up to very little reasons for ACER to put any resources on building an OTA for ICS for what? A few hundred people? They slapped us all with a locked bootloader without giving a s**t did they not? Only about 1% probably care, just like ICS.

anyway my 3¢
[Acer Iconia A500] :
I believe he was referring to the ignorant post you made about the A500 not having the hardware requirements needed to run ICS :rolleyes:
[Acer Iconia A500] JulieB42:
If they can afford a new device.

Also, there is a significant number of people who aren't on the upgrade merry-go-round. They just want a device that works as advertised. They want functional updates that fix problems and aren't full of bloatware. And when they make a two-year commitment to a carrier and a device, they want the carrier and device manufacturer to make a two-year commitment to them. It's not a lot to ask for, really.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Ok this is off the topic of this thread..

But why do people think acer has any intention to stop production on the a500.. this is a device that some carriers are just starting to sell at@t being one of them wiht the 501.. They have not even launched a campaign that there is another device close on the horizon..or am i missing something..

maybe they will discontinue this stop producing it.. then decide to build another unit.. and lay off there entire staff between devices.. Acer will push this ics update on new not yet sold devices.. to boost sales . as well as push it to us.. I think after the initial spurt of a500 sales with ics slows. they will introduce another device.. They try to extend the shelf life of device as long as they can.. the cost of technology is in design and development hours not so much production.. to get that back takes keeping it viable for sale as long as possible..I say the a500 a 501 will be around for another 6 months before acer cuts the cord.. this depends on there competitors and cost of building the t3 devices ..

So i do think that everyone who has posted in this thread have valid points and will all be somewhat correct.. other then the comment that the a500 will not run ics .. THAT IS JUST DUMB..... kisses all... the geeky blonde chic
[Acer Iconia A500] qhinton:
Everyone take a deep breath. Acer has already announced the A100/500 will get ICS in January which means April. Plus the other manufacturers will also be updating to ics. Who cares if its ota or not I prefer to download it anyway (blessing in disguise) considering how unorganized Acer is with updates.

But while everyone is talking A700 people have forgotten the A200 is coming out in January with ICS. It has the same hardware as the A500 but thinner & without a rear camera. So there it is Acer has ics running on tegra2 just fine. Oh so does Moto and Samsung so everyone chill.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Well spoken... and yes april is prob right .. thou i see it coming sooner
[Acer Iconia A500] garringm:
Somewhere at one time I read Google's philosophy behind ICS. It sounded as though it was to give updates to phones that basically made there eol and weren't. Google wanted an OS that was more uniform across the board' this is why I think some manufacturers are stalling on the updates trying to figure out how to cram their crap into android such as HTC. But it was a long time ago when I read that. There was also supposed to be an alliance among mfrs that they were self enforced to supply updates for 18 months on new model phones granted it was worded in a way that there could be no updates at all until the update was a new phone.

Manufacturers have left a bad taste in my mouth on several occasions but I still stay optomistic in the fact that we will get ICS however a little pessimistic that it will be in January. One thing that will happen those that have these tabs without carrier support will get an update first. ATT always takes another 6 months or more locking the os down and cramming their bloat into it.

And honestly at this point I'm not really concerned about an update, and I'm sure this will be perceived wrong but I'm not much concerned about any developer support, yes its rooted, but I only did that because I could I really have no reason for it. I am very happy with the performance of my tab as is. I am downloading civato's full updated stock rom

So I can have the updates without losing root that I am entitled too
[Acer Iconia A500] AndyYYC:
330 meg update this morning... will it be ics? :) on my a100...

Slower than sin download, had to pop out to work... will update when I get home and install... gave ota and wiring options...
[Acer Iconia A500] AndyYYC:
Ota or wifi f*ing autocorrect...
[Acer Iconia A500] gammaRascal:
Nope.

But maybe, but I doubt it.

Jan? April? Probably Feb.
[Acer Iconia A500] jhowle:
google has only released it for cell phones currently and not for tablets just yet
[Acer Iconia A500] ultramag69:
Already out in Joyce Mayne stores in Oz... $349 with $50 cashback offer....

Here - http://www.joycemayne.com.au/acer-iconia-a200-tablet.html

Cheers....
[Acer Iconia A500] Neoprimal:
Not to be a buzzkill but Acer Nidus is also on the A200 and A700...(which have ICS), so I don't think an update to the app is indicative of ICS arrival or how far along it's been developed for the A500/A100.

I've seen a lot of speculation, guessing, rumors and what I suspect are downright lies but haven't read anything solid from Acer other than that the A500 will get ICS.

Here's to hoping though.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Source is AOSP .

This is not correct.. GOogle has totally release the code. This is the code that anyone can use to create there own.ICS ROM.. The issue is Drivers.. Different devices use different drivers . Different specs for there network and For the apps they install on the device..

The the issue is ACER Getting there hardware (chip Maker) to help them get working drivers / software for things like camera gps sound chips and so on..

GOOGLE is in no way responsible nore do that build this stuff.. They only include what hardware manufacturers/chip makes have helped them with on there build devices.. The Galaxy Nexus phone.. and THE Motorola ZOOM as there were the test devices for ICS ..
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Can you post the link where ACER is saying the a500 will get ICS? I've read reports from reporters that says ACER plans, or will, etc. Nothing saying that it will be made available on older a500 and pushed to existing customers and nothing from ACER (or at least that I can find, so your help would be appreciated).

I'm just asking because that would be useful. There was a 'press release' a while back that said ACER plans on making ICS available on the a500, but I can't seem to find it anymore. Also, if I recall, it sounded like on newer models.

You can download ICS and build it yourself and or get a custom ROM. But, good luck getting any hardware to work. Missing drivers, and those that I've contacted aren't very helpful unless you have their latest hardware. One device manufacturer (not to mention) said they have no plans on writing ICS drivers for later hardware (this was on another tablet but some a500's have the same hardware). But, the advised me to check with the tablet manufacturer as they might develop them in-house.

Anyway,

TD
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Acer...r-Iconia-Tablets-in-January-2012-230292.shtml

http://www.slashgear.com/acer-andro...eam-sandwich-update-in-january-2012-25190709/

http://www.androidauthority.com/ace...-of-ice-cream-sandwich-in-january-2012-28458/

And Google shows a lot more similar results. Acer has been saying to quite a few outlets they'll release ICS for A500, so they'd be sort of shooting themselves in the foot otherwise.
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
Damn, TD, I do wish you'd shut up. So much utter FUD coming out of your fingers, it's making me cringe!

Cluebat time.

1. Acer are part of the open handset alliance. As such, they HAVE NO CHOICE but provide updates for their devices for 18 months.

2. A locked bootloader serves to prevent inept users from bricking their devices.

3. The A500's bootloader IS NOT LOCKED. It merely has an encrypted checksum that verifies the OS on boot, to make sure nothing has damaged it.

4. "Locked" bootloaders do not prevent you from installing applications, that's what rooting it for.

Kindly take your conspiracy theories and other nonsense elsewhere.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Gotta love your way with words.

Technically there are two ics roms now.
[Acer Iconia A500] mswirski:
I'd like to point out all 3 articles are actually using the same reference from a polish website. With only a single reference, it's hard to be conclusive.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Hummm

Has anyone actually called or did the live chat with acer.. to see what they say..

I know more The tech support dont know nothing. but who knows for sure
[Acer Iconia A500] garringm:
The same can be said about all of the tech websites quoting pcmag saying the update alliance is dead. I don't lean either way whether it still exists or not but I would think that by now we would start to see something floating around the web other than these articles. But if you are a believer then read the wording on what was proposed very carefully, granted the iconia tab falls within the guidelines that were proposed but

Again what was announced earlier in 2011 was only a "PROPOSAL" nothing was set in stone and nothing was guaranteed. The only thing these companies agreed on was to try and hash something out. I for one do hope that it exists but I won't be holding my breathe.

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And yes I just did the answer I got was they do not have answers to those details the are only hardware specialist
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
No need to make it personal, I haven't slammed anyone else. Why don't you just disagree like erica_renee and make a point like she does?

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Yes, I know several people that work at ACER (on the design team that help develop drivers with the MFG's) and they have said that it is highly unlikely that ICS will be officially available from ACER. But, they have stated that management has not out ruled it, as of yet. Again, all opinion and is why I asked if anyone had any ACER documents on the position.

They were told a few weeks ago that their major client (you can guess who), sent ACER a letter saying they would forgo ICS on existing a500's. These engineers therefore believe that because carriers are not wanting it, and prefer to introduce ICS on new hardware that there will be a lack of support from management to have the ACER team work on it and more pressure to get ICS on ACER's new product lines and not those on the Twilight List of sunset platforms.

Lastly, before the first of the year, they got the word that Windows 8 is to get top priority in 2012. With this all said, who knows what they'll do.

TD

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And plans change, I plan on hitting the power ball too:). With carriers announcing they'll limit ICS to only NEW devices; you'll see less of a push to upgrade existing platforms.
[Acer Iconia A500] masands:
I spoke to a Telstra representative here in Australia and he said they are working with Acer to launch ICS on the A501's by January 25th. Also I spoke to Acer helpline and he said 3 weeks before ICS is launched for A500. Soooooo yeah shut up.
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Soooo yeah shut up? You have to result to such behavior?

Gee-Whiz lighten up and show some manners and professionalism instead of telling people to shut up. Rude and arrogant behavior is no way to behave, and when you look for help rooting ICS should I respond the same way?

Anyway, time will tell. If you're correct then you'll be getting the OTA in 21 day and in 22 days you won't find me being rude when it doesn't happen.

TD
[Acer Iconia A500] edscholl:
Agree with most of your post except for one - pt 1: the open hqndset alliance is separate from the companies who have pledged to provide updates for 18 months. And for the companies that have pledged updates, they do have a choice, ad there is nothing binding about it.

And I do believe the bootloader IS locked, but that's not a super huge issue.
[Acer Iconia A500] toastthemost:
Talked with an Acer rep via webchat, confirmed it will be an OTA update, but said there wasn't a set date yet for release.
[Acer Iconia A500] wolverine423:
You don't think Acer will give us ICS, great.

Find a different forum to repeat your opinions over and over.

P.S. When you give someone your two cents, you stop at two cents. You've given us about $20 worth of your opinions.
[Acer Iconia A500] FloatingFatMan:
And it was a fake twenty, too! :p
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Never eat a icecream sandwich while typing on your a500. You just might end up with some of that illusive ice cream sandwich on yout a500.. God Forbids us to have ice cream on the a500.. oops timmy dean does not god..

This thread is so very educational. thank you all for contributing.. .

Back to topic.. Acer rep watching this forum. yes you the one who i talk to in messages all the time. or are you just in my mind (thats another issue all together i guess). YES GUYS There is a acer rep here. PLEASE PUT THE NO ICE CREAM . to rest . for the love of xda please...

DONT ASK because i will not tell..
[Acer Iconia A500] castafiore:
I use to eat ice creams when I play with my a500. I've noticed that the ice cream's spots are much easier to wipe off the screen than the honey's ones. :D
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
This is so True Giggles....
[Acer Iconia A500] wwelles:
I spoke to one of the Web support agents. Apparently ICS was released a little while ago and we'll get it in the next few days.
[Acer Iconia A500] slimdizzy:
Sorry for being late, but this is drivel. First off the A500 is not sold by carriers. Secondly they have already done 2 OTAs for it already. Big deal you've been running ICS for 3 months. You are running it with a 2.x kernel without fully supported 3.0 kernel drivers for the hardware, **** is going to be buggy. Always a risk with an update regardless of how it is pushed to the end user. It is barely a year old device, if you bought an Apple product and didn't get an update during the lifetime of the devices you would be furious.

FUD post is FUD
[Acer Iconia A500] cbstryker:
Programming on what? There's been nothing but an early build in the form of an emulator or a very dirty hack of the emulator ported on to the Nexus S. This is what you're basing your opinion of ICS on?....... or are you trolling.......
[Acer Iconia A500] timmyDean:
Nope, on the Galaxy and others that I cannot mention due to a NDA.
[Acer Iconia A500] jazzyjames:
Well if Acer brings ICS to the A500 because of the Open Handset Alliance, then you better call Samsung up and make sure they get ICS out to all the US Galaxy S phones.
[Acer Iconia A500] garringm:
ICS seems to be running smooth on my galaxy s captivate. Wouldn't know why the nexus s needs a hacked up emulator, it far exceeds the galaxy s in performance and developement
[Acer Iconia A500] castafiore:
After the small update this morning (to Acer_A500_7.014.15_COM_GEN1), the Market has proposed to update a dozen of my apps.

Maybe I'm totaly wrong, but usally that sort of thing has happened to me a little while before a new update of the ROM...
[Acer Iconia A500] BrianDigital:
All the code for both nexus are out for compiling. The nexus s for Tmobile already had an official release
[Acer Iconia A500] starfcker69:
True. TD has zero credibility. Notice how mean spirited he was to those non-techie monkeys, as he was ejaculating his FUD?
[Acer Iconia A500] greenomachino:
Pardon my asking but what is FUD? I am new to the community. Sounds funny and I like being informed.
[Acer Iconia A500] garringm:
This new stuff you young whipper snappers come up with, think I'll stick to my old fashined american and call it Bull****. Granted if you read into some of what TD says he makes valid point, but at this point the only thing anybody is doing is trying to make point and rationalize what they believe will happen, truth is it won't happen until it happens. And when it happens you'll know
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
FUD is short for Fear Uncertainty Doubt, ie. when someone is spreading outright lies in an effort to paint something as much more negative than it is.
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
Does this mean that if i say my a500 is a piece of crap and i think that nobody should buy one.. .. Would this quite alot of FUD...or would it mean that im Full of FUD..

hummmmmmm its so hard being Blonde.
[Acer Iconia A500] WereCatf:
No, an opinion is an opinion and you have a right to that. Unless you start spreading outright lies about A500 and/or start a larger campaign in order to smear its reputation then it's not FUD.
[Acer Iconia A500] :
+1

;)