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[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Interesting post from the Moto forums today. This makes perfect sense given the way AT&T has been going the last few months:

"posted 3:08 PM by billsite34

I was at an ATT store this morning inquiring about a laptop dock for my Atrix. They couldn't find it on their website(discontiued), then they said that the original Atrix was at "end of life" as far as ATT was concerned. I take this to mean that ATT will no longer support the Atrix and not push for ICS from Motorola for it!"

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/ae343df67e?post=ae343df67e&start=301
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
ugh. F motorola.

next phone won't be a motorola. sadly. don't much like any of the other phones.
[Atrix 4G General] treehumper:
Sadly I will probably go with a Samsung. If I were to get one tomorrow, it would be the Skyrocket (there's LTE here).
[Atrix 4G General] drew68:
Yeah, I would go back to samsung (skyrocket) I had a captivate before the ATRIX.
[Atrix 4G General] dragoncius:
And just because Att will not carry it anymore you think it's the end of the Atrix?
[Atrix 4G General] stewartsoda:
Eh, get used to it. Buy whatever is the best phone at the time and understand that it will be completely outdated in 6 months.

Oh, and don't buy the hype that the ATT store salesmen sell. Some of them are a little dense.
[Atrix 4G General] phro321:
Couldn't agree more. I have a close friend who works at a corporate store and all he says is that they are told to push IPHONEs. I tell him Fkuc you my friend, and then we have drinks. :D
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
your friend better be picking up that tab...!

(for being a douche).

:P
[Atrix 4G General] Jotokun:
Its one thing for a carrier to stop selling a phone after that, but if the phone is only supported by the manufacture for 6 months, there is a serious issue. Especially given that a bar has been set for about 2 years by both Apple and Google on Nexus devices, and that 2 years is the length of the average US contract.

I think this is being read into wrong though. AT&T most likely is just no longer selling the OG model, not Motorola discontinuing support.
[Atrix 4G General] rlillard:
I have not given up on ICS yet, but I think it is unlikely to come to the Atrix 4G. I realized that when I recognized the Atrix 2 was a cost reduced version of the 4G. My theory is that MOTO marketing f'd up big time when they over priced the Atrix and accessories. The Atrix 2 was doomed because the Atrix name was damaged beyond reclamation.

I don't see any new phone presently available that is significantly better and some worse. Posts like the one that started this thread hasten the day when I say, "enough already" and install cm7/9.
[Atrix 4G General] rlillard:
Following up on myself, I don't understand why Moto won't just say what their plans for the Atrix 4G and ICS are and take the heat and get it over with.

The guys who run the forum at moto remind me of the man who played piano in a cathouse and always claimed he never knew what was going on up stairs.
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
Atrix, dead in a year. 3GS going on 3 years. Makes me sick...
[Atrix 4G General] DroidRunner:
I'm a little surprised Atrix is getting dropped cause it was such a big deal when it came out. If Apple makes the iPhone 5 with a bigger screen, I'm getting it. Atleast Apple won't drop support for it. That's one of the reasons Android pisses me off. Stop making 200 different Android phones a month, and concentrate more on updates. You've got phones coming out that people forget about in a month.
[Atrix 4G General] madnav:
so much for a device demoed and praised at CES..

Time Line:

Q1:

CES Jan 2011: Demonstrated and Praised as one of the best devices at that CES.

Feb/March 2011: Launched

Q3:

GB update

Q4:

Still GB updates

end of Q4:

EOL

im not purchasing any moto devices on older OS anymore..

should have not purchased Froyo atrix while GB was around and shall not purchase GB Razr when ICS is around..

/* Rant mode off

I still do not regret purchase of atrix; thankful to QUALITY of dev support it is receiving. Even pre-Betas for atrix are more stable than final releases of my older devices (captivate and vibrant)

But for a general user who wouldnot think of anything beyond rooting...this is kind of abuse :-/
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Guys its not MOTO. ATT has final say on all updates for its phones. Only way around it is the Icrap and A Nexus.

Once Google slows the OS updates down to once maybe twice a year like they plan it will be less of a prob

Sent from Gotham
[Atrix 4G General] madnav:
ATT is not the only vendor but looking at the update history so far, it would be too late to expect ICS for atrix considering delay in GB update.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
I believe the statement this guy posted is true regarding the Atrix 4G and AT&T. If you look on the AT&T website you cannot buy the laptop dock anymore on either the regular store or the premier store. AT&T previously told me that when an item is removed from there instead of being marked "out of stock", it's gone for good. AT&T is selling off Atrix accessories, and I do believe they are done with the Atrix. Will they still sell it?...............sure, until the stock is depleted.............will it still be around for a long time?.............sure............the refurbs will be going round and round for years to come.

What is perturbing is that this phone lasted a measly 6 months or so, as was already stated. Nobody disputes that phones come and go, new models are released, etc.............what is messed up is that people who purchased "the most powerful cell phone on the planet" were lied to about the specs by both AT&T and Moto, one case in point being 1080p recording which we never got, and have suffered lack luster support from both entities.

I love my Atrix, and will keep it as long as devs are putting out new ROM's, etc., but I am up for an upgrade again in less than 2 months, and will look for something with more support. Unfortunately I am stuck with AT&T for the time being because I have a family plan with 5 phones on it, and who would pay early termination on 5 phones?
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
This is my 4th Android phone. Like someone else said, 3gs was supported for least 3 years. I think I want to try an apple phone next. We shouldn't have to rely on outside people/unofficial support for the next version of Android.
[Atrix 4G General] DroidRunner:
+3

With all the law suits apple is winning, they will have the only phones anyways. Haha
[Atrix 4G General] SirFork:
The reason they push a new product every 6 months or so is reflected on the attitudes of most android forums; never satisfied, always desiring something more from their devices. People make lateral device changes (Atrix to Moto RAZR for example) instead of upgrades because there is some level of constant dissatisfaction with their Android device. Companies such as motorola are catering to this, and making tons of money in the process. Why bother support a device for multiple years when people are willing to shell out gobs of cash for Android's 'flavor of the week'? It makes more money for the company and the carrier.

You have to remember that the carrier not the device manufacturer decides what phones make it to market. Apple was wise to keep their warranty and product support in-house, and their quality and support reflects as much. Other phone manufacturers are bent over the carriers' knee. The carrier dictates how long the phone is supported, what accessories are available, and how software updates get pushed. Apple was wise to circumvent all this BS, and look how many iPhone accessories there are in every store, how Apple pushes software updates via their own program, ultimately you get an overall better product that is supported for much longer, while still maintaining profitability.

I love Android as a product, but what an abysmal business model for an open source-based OS. The only thing that keeps me going on Android are the occasional product gems such as the Atrix and the unofficial support provided from devs around the world.

Lets face it, Android owners still look to Apple as the golden standard.
[Atrix 4G General] mandrsn1:
Apple give half-assed updates. They lie to their customers as well. They said Siri wouldn't work on an iPhone 4 due to hardware, yet jailbreakers have it working fine. They did the same thing with the first iPhone, said its hardware doesn't support MMS, yet it worked fine when jailbroken.

We get less support here, but don't get lied to as often.
[Atrix 4G General] bconcio:
I don't understand why they're dropping this and not the Captivate that has been around for a couple years now. I've seen a lot of people have gotten this phone upgrading from a Captivate, and I am one of them.
[Atrix 4G General] Swiftks:
Who cares, CM9 over ICS, any day.

Next phone will be SGS III. Have learned my lesson with Motorola.
[Atrix 4G General] raybond25:
next up, apple copyrights the idea of a mobile telephone then sues 100s of other companies, all at the same time for infringing it.
[Atrix 4G General] soxfan37:
My son, sister, cousin, co-worker, priest, garbageman, etc, has an iPhone and I am happy to not be one of the sheep. I like what I can do with my Atrix and the customizations that the devs have worked so hard on. People want (but do not need) the latest and greatest, that is why Apple releases a new model every year. Most iphone people I know can make a few calls, check the weather and play angry birds. Tether? What's that?
[Atrix 4G General] Jotokun:
Even if this does turn out to be true on Motorola's end, we still have a group of awesome developers. CM9 is just around the corner and the preview kang works astoundingly well. If Motorola isnt going to continue support of our phones, we have enough of a community that we can support it ourselves. Considering the Xoom is both a Tegra 2 device and supported by AOSP, I think we'll be covered for a while. By the time we're not, our contracts should be up or close to it.

That said, I agree with other posters in that this is most definetly my last Motorola device unless they get some huge policy change.
[Atrix 4G General] Rayan:
Nah, I don't buy this...

There's definitely life for the Atrix (or any other smartphone) outside the Carrier boundaries!

Why am I so sure you ask?

Well, I've been reviewing several smartphones on my Youtube channel for years and I keep getting help requests from users all over the world that still have devices like the Nokia E71, Nokia N97, Palm Pre and even Samsungs (that I don't even recall the model) with Windows Mobile Standard!!!! :D

Cheers!

Rayan
[Atrix 4G General] DroidRunner:
What if all your friends had Android?
[Atrix 4G General] soxfan37:
my friends aren't that smart, (that is why they are friends with me).

All I am saying is that every soccer mom has an iphone, which replaced their blackberrys, back in the day when they would email each other across the table at Starbucks.

But to your question, honestly I don't know. I admit, I like having a different phone than the pack.

Happy New Year!
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Point is that AT&T is probably done with the Atrix 4G. We already have a small enough dev community, and quite frankly shouldn't have to rely on them to give us what the phone is capable of. Also, the comment in the Moto forums relates to AT&T and the Atrix 4G, and not the Atrix 4G as a whole.
[Atrix 4G General] Rayan:
Even more so, you know? AT&T is not the world!

Don't get me wrong, but sometimes we have to think globally.

Carriers eslsewhere still advertise the Atrix 4G as the latest and greatest among the Droid Razr, SGS2 and Galaxy Nexus!

Happy new year!

Rayan
[Atrix 4G General] IUH1991:
Over in Canada the atrix is still selling pretty well. Bell offers it for free on contract and they market it a the "free phone you'll want to show off". My buddy works at the Bell store and he sold almost 20 this month.
[Atrix 4G General] ParaLanche:
As long as there are roms, i won't leave my atrix. :)
[Atrix 4G General] geicogecko:
I upgraded to my SGSII from an E71x. My dad upgraded to his Atrix from a V3xx that I gave him. Before that, he had a regular old V3.
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Yes but when Carriers agree to carry the phone there is a stipulation in it that all updates have to be approved by said carrier. So Moto, HTC, Samsung could push all the updates they want but in the end it is the carriers call. Now Euro has much better chances then in the US of getting the updates but once the carrier says EOL then updates will come to a halt. Main reason we all come to XDA. Think I am wrong? Do a search on the older devices and you will see this to be true in the past. Once the Google updates slow down to where Google wants them this will be less of an issue for later devices.
[Atrix 4G General] purpler:
I always wondered what the help carriers have to do with phones software updates..

In Europe (at least where i live at) carriers just sell phones through their plans. They don't care nor have anything with software.

Why is that so different in States? Why would some ****ing ATT decide whether uses receive software upgrades from device manufacturers?

Totally retarded setup.
[Atrix 4G General] panflute:
I still love my Atrix. It just keeps getting better. Having the lapdock means it will be easier to sell when it's time. Forget the iPhone, the screen is way too small.

Next phone will have a faster processor, larger screen...at least 4.5 inches, and maybe an FM radio and digital TV receiver....there will be lots of choices coming down the road. In the meantime my Atrix is one mean machine!

Http://onlinedivorceclass.net/100zzz.jpg
[Atrix 4G General] jadwv2210:
I went into an ATT store today to get a screen protector for my phone and was told pretty much the same thing. They said they were dropping it for the Atrix 2. They didn't even have the original Atrix anywhere on the shelves. I knew I should have got an HTC Inspire... I do love my Atrix though.
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
They get to add bloat to it and remove features that may be OK in Europe but are not OK here. That's why from here on out I will take the hit and spend the extra for a European based phone.

The inspire is heading the same way as it is my current device and the European version got an update but the ATT model won't get it.
[Atrix 4G General] nunjabusiness:
All the doom and gloom and wringing of hands is completely misplaced here.

CM9 is coming soon enough and since when do we give a damn about what the providers say? :p

"End of life" my ass. End of SALES BY AT&T, sure. But I plan on using mine for at least a couple of years longer.
[Atrix 4G General] troycarpenter:
When I went into the local AT&T store during the great lapdock sale fiasco of 2011 to get their last lapdock, they told me they hadn't had Atrix 4G for "a few months".
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Not every one can or will use a CM based rom
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Just don't go HTC, or at least read the reviews first.

I have yet to find a HTC phone that hasn't greatly disappointed me in battery life, and I've had a few...
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
When is the Bell Atrix getting ICS then?... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] purpler:
Carriers suck!
[Atrix 4G General] briggie108:
This is one of the main reason linux for desktop didn't work. 200 distributions and almost no standard at all (at least android has a standard).
[Atrix 4G General] metk@:
ATRIX is in a specific situation, że because it was designed per ATT request. Moto made phone that was exactly as carrier wanted it and they controlled all apects of device (with the software indeed). I assume that is the reason they can control update etc. all over the world...
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
I'm jelly how they don't this to apple. No bloatware on their phones at all.
[Atrix 4G General] rdannar:
This is all at&t. They did it with x10. Moto bravo, lg thrill still doesnt have gingerbread.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Lets see ICS on "ANY Atrix" phone by Motorola anywhere in the world before I buy into that...
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
My thoughts exactly.... Either a euro phone or I'm going back to the iPhone.

Either way, I'm sick of carrier branded cell phones. And no way in hell I'm touching LTE, battery life is abysmal.

Sent from my CM7 Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] WuchuHurD:
They had the stuff for like $50 on amazon I think for a limited time

Running MIUI Alpha
[Atrix 4G General] dvirring:
Doesn't matter what Motorola doesn't support anymore. Think about it Google bought Motorola giver some time and watch the updates fly in for moto phones going forward.

Nuff said

Sent from either my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Wifi or Motorola Atrix 4G
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
I doubt anything could steer motorola from their current path.
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
if the carriers let them.
[Atrix 4G General] mjharris65:
Some of you guys are soo cynical! But I completely agree with panflute. I love my Atrix. I'm so proud when it does things only a few other phones (all Motorola) in the world can do. Choosing the Atrix was one of the best decisions I made last year. And I'm glad that I'll have it for another whole year. Afterwards, I will only choose Motorola. Their dedication to innovation surpassed any other manufacturer and, if their merge with Google will bring about any changes at all, those changes will most certainly be positive and beneficial for the consumer. Motorola's future is blindingly bright in my opinion.
[Atrix 4G General] Tratious:
Yes, Google purchased Motorola Mobility, but the deal is not finalized, it is still pending FCC approval, so this could go either way since it seems to me that Motorola will have free reign to do what they still want to do.
[Atrix 4G General] t.s.eliot:
I think you are missing the point. If AT&T is going to keep me under contract, then they should have an obligation to support the phone for the life of the contract. The Atrix hasn't even been out a full year yet!!!

You can't even buy a spare battery for the Atrix anymore from the AT&T site. I find this to be a shady and disreputable business practice personally. Either shorten the length of the contract, or make the phone viable for the length of the contract.
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
All they are required to make sure is that the phone works as they sold it to you. The phone is viable as it still does work as it was intended when it was released. Updates to the OS are never covered.
[Atrix 4G General] Frrrrrrunkis:
I think in the new era of "smartphones" like the Apple phones and the myriad of Android devices that are now the majority, the carriers are going to have to adjust their contracts to allow for OS updates per the life of the contract. Its the same in the automotive world too. A car company cannot simply stop making replacement parts for a car just because the line is discontinued. They all update the vehicles software as needed until a car is too old. I get how fast technology works but a two year contract with phones reachin EOL within 6 months is ridiculous.
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
As long as it still works as it is supposed to they have no good reason to update them. It only causes issues when something goes wrong. As far as they are concerned if it ain't broke....we have to remember that even though alot of people use cell phones as toys that is not what they are for. Companies like Verizon and ATT make most of their money off of the business side of it and updating a device is a pita for the IT crew in business. Mainly with android and people wanting to get around security protocols and rooting their device.

Smartphones have been around now for what 6 years or so. It has always been the same. They EOL after 4 to 6 months. This is all they are required to do. One big thing is due to the OEM no longer making them. After a set time you can't even order a new one from the company. Its simple business. Why update when you can sell a new device. I don't agree with it but it is American business.
[Atrix 4G General] gammite:
20 years is more like it. they became much more usable in the last 9 years. yes the iphone came out in 2007, but that was by far not the first smartphone or the first touchscreen smartphone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone#Early_years

my first touchscreen smartphone was the blue angel in 2004.

this is one of the main reasons tech folks roll their eyes at apple. they were not the first. and imo they are also not the best.
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Oh you know what I should reread my posts. Your are right. I still have one of those in a box somewhere lol.
[Atrix 4G General] Rayan:
+1

That was one of the main reasons I stopped buying HTC...

Not that other manufacturers put on better lasting batteries, but at least Motorola tried to compensate with a bigger more powerful battery on the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] Rayan:
My thoughts exactly!

Not many people realize this...

And it goes beyond that, remember that thing called Palm, Handspring or even the Avigo? Pfft! B-)
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
I can't say that my current HTC has bad battery at all.
[Atrix 4G General] ifalldownalot:
I'm assuming your phone isn't stock...?
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
No but it is running a stock based rom. Not an AOSP rom but one based from HTC.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Yea.... Apple seems to tout themselves as being the "first" for a lot of things... but you can even look at a single company and realize they are just full of BS. That company being Archos. They had a large capacity media player for cheaper than the original iPods. They were the first company with a media player that had a color screen. First with a media player that was able to play video and display pictures. First with a touchscreen media player. First with a WiFi-equipped media player. I'd still much rather buy an Archos product than an Apple product.
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
How much was that LTE and not wifi or HSPA+?

Sent from my CM7 Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
No LTE here at all. It will most likely be at least 5 years before LTE gets here if it ever does.
[Atrix 4G General] cellphoner2006:
I dont mind if it's discontinued as long as I still get updates for it, and hopefully they will bring ICS to the atrix at the very least. I just got my phone not too long ago.
[Atrix 4G General] sublimejosh2000:
Yo! I had a AV400, a 704, and I currently have a 101/16g running UrukDriod. I have been trying to explain Archos to people with Apple product for years. I was watching Xvid movies on touchscreen devices (Archos Devices) for years before the "double the price" ipods and the like.

Www.Archos.Com I might get that G9 1.5G dualcore 101... looks pretty sweet
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Once its discontinued ATT doesn't release updates. Normally they give each device one maybe two (if your lucky) updates and that is about it.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Pales in comparison to my SGS currently running on stock FW...
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
Not bad. My old galaxy s never saw battery life like that
[Atrix 4G General] KingKuba13:
Won't make a difference to me, still will do what it does now. Don't really need much else at this point. I'm sure someone who wants ICS bad enough will get it sooner or later.
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
That sucks, there is LTE in my area, but like i said I am not getting an LTE phone because LTE connection kills batteries.

On hspa+ my atrix can pull decent numbers, it depends on what I'm doing, ie streaming music/movies or not

Sent from my CM7 Atrix
[Atrix 4G General] zelendel:
To be honest not really. I use wifi for most of my data use anyway. With the unlimited data being removed streaming and what not is not that important to me. Hell ATT is the only choice up here unless you want some small CDMA based company