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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
So let's summarize:

_ The form factor is a copy cat of the ipad2 which is praised by everyone but for the Prime it's not a good thing.

_ The virtual keyboard, which can be change whenever with whatever in a blink of an eyes, isn't good enough for you.

_ Perfomances of Tegra 3 are egal or worse than those of Tegra 2. Yeah right.

_ Battery life doesn't hold more than 6 hours.... Are you stuck in Super IPS+ mode ?

I don't have the prime, sure, but strangely enough I have a hard time believing you.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mithent:
I'm not particularly bothered by stock keyboards, since you can install others, and the battery life sounds a little low compared to what I've heard before?

But as for performance, as I was just writing in another thread, I think that the problem is that people who already have dual-core tablets were looking for an instant speed boost here and not finding it. If you already have a dual-core tablet, I'd stick with that for now and see what comes out in the coming year. For now, Tegra 3 has at least as much power as Tegra 2 in applications which are not highly multithreaded, while using less power. Hopefully we will see threadedness become more of a priority as more devices with more than two cores come out, and more of the dormant power of the Prime will be realised.

(This is just what happened on desktops, of course: when quad-cores came out, people were divided on whether it was worth having two extra cores or having a faster-clocked dual-core chip. Faster dual-cores were winning at the time, because most applications couldn't make use of a quad-core. The balance has been tipping in favour of quad-cores ever since, and they're now essentially standard on the desktop, and my quad-core Q6600 has aged much better than the "faster" dual-cores of the time.)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JWortner:
Kokusho,

Beleive me or not, start reading other posts and you will see similar reports already. If you think I broke my butt stalking my local gamestop daily to spend $500 hard erned money to bash it, think again. Your response it rather aggressive considering I took time to document my impressions to help people

To answer your points:

Form factor - the metal back is slick and of course glass is slick. You will see for yourself if/when you hold one. It is not horrible, but very much something that gets noticed buy everyone that has held this.

Keyboard - My keyboard on my HTC phone is better than this. You would just think that when you pay $500 for a nice tab, and the keyboard is the primary interface to it, they manafacturer would spend some effect to make sure it is a good experience and not drive us to search the market for something better.

Performance - I SPECIFICALLY said in my post that this was a WEB observation. I am sure that for other more CPU intesive apps like games, this will perform better. I have Shadowgun on my Thrive and will compare as time permits. Again, the title here is INITIAL impressions

Battery Life - Screen brightness is about 1/2 and I have had it mostly in balanced mode and then go to power saver when I see it getting real low. Again, this is new and the battery has not come to life yet so that may improve.

The camera is also pretty good which was important to me. The other thing I really wanted was the SUPER IPS to read in the sun (I can barely see my Thrive in the sun) since I now use tablets for my book reading and want to be able to read outside. I still have to test this later today.

To be clear to all, I am not trying to bash this unit. To the contrary I am trying to talk myself into it was worth all the effort and cost to get it. It is probably is the best tablet out there at the moment, but it is just not living up to the hype. Also, is it that much better than the dual cores out there? Maybe if you are a gamer it would make a difference. For an average user, I would recommend saving the cash and getting a Thrive or previous ASUS TF101 model. Maybe ICS will make a difference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] subramanianv:
From my one day use of the Prime:

I got the smart cover for prime, so holding does not seems to be an issue. But, then I again it is not a drawback as such. Anything which is thin and wide will be difficult to hold. Comparison to iPad2 is not accurate it would seem, because holding it in portrait mode seems pretty fine, but landscape mode may be difficult owing to the width of this thing.

Keyboard is a non-issue. you can always switch to honeycomb keyboard, which is way better than the Prime's default properitay keyboard, in which for some reason I dont feel the keys are placed properly, more often than not I end up hitting wrong letter. But, as I said it is a non-issue, Thumb keyboard works perfectly.

Did not have much experience with the browser yet, as I was busy installing apps mostly. But, from what I saw little bit, it seems to be fine, if you dont draw comparison against any other tablet. Should wait for ICS to really judge its performance.

Battery, since I inadverently left it at power saving mode, it was left with 50% charge after about 4-5 hours with screen on and playing and browsing.

I would rate it as 4/5 pre-ICS. But with the scope of getting ICS sooner, which will make the best use of Tegra 3, it might end up with 4.5/5.

And let's not forget why Prime is still a great tablet even without taking advantage of Tegra 3:

+Awesome build quality

+Great display with super IPS

+Gorilla glass panel to protect

+ 8 MP camera

+32GB for the sub $500 price range

I was paying for the hardware, more than the software and I am not disppointed. If I say, this is the best 32GB tab you will get for under $500 in 2011 or in Q1 of 2012, can anyone object it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oasis9389:
these negative first impressions are really getting old and annoying.

hard to hold? really? thing is ligher than a feather with a nice bezel for your thumb.

your thrive is faster? really? lol the thrive? lord.. this thing navigates through honey comb like butter while every other first gen tablet with more than 20 apps on it can't handle it

your keyboard stinks? and you are an android fan? just get a new keyboard. first thing i did was install swiftkey.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
I appreciate the honest review.

For the average consumer, sure, the stock keyboard should probably be really good. But given you're on XDA, you should know how to install a *much* better keyboard... issue solved.

As far as speed - did you test out Opera browsing speed? Very smooth. Yes, there are quirks with it, and still probably not as smooth as an iPad, but it works great.

I haven't had any laginess in my interface speed at all (i.e. screen transitions, app drawer opening, etc.), even with HD live wallpaper on.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - to me, iOS and Apple products work much better straight out of the box if you don't want to fool with anything. Android devices require a little work with downloading third party keyboards, different roms, etc. But when all is said and done, that IS the fun part of Android for me! Maybe not for the average consumer, but jus' saying.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
About performance - HC browser has some huge bug which causes it to sleep for a moment sometimes. Solution: use any other browser (Dolphin or Opera work best for me). Don't judge the tablet on HC browser - if it lags on Tegra2 device it will lag on Tegra3 device too, just for a shorter time (still noticable though, on my Transformer HC browser lags sometimes for 10 seconds, haha, that is why I don't use it).

About keyboard - I prefer the stock HC, I agree that the one from Asus is quite horrible. :) All of this could be fixed by you in 1 minute and the browser will almost certainly be fixed by ICS update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
Why do people keep complaining about the keyboards in TP, is this your first Android devices? Just go the market and download a ton of keyboards.

And same with the browsers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oasis9389:
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
First of all, sure you can download a ton of keyboards. But a strong majority of them simply are not good. I don't like Swype or Swift-X and I gave both of them a good run. I've liked HTC's keyboard the most, but on phones. And I do like stock Android keyboard on ICS, which will come to Prime at some point.

Same with browsers? Don't think so. I prefer the original browser in that it is not bloated at all compared to Opera or Dolphin. I want bare-bones browsing that is fast, I don't want to be cluttered by features I don't use.

Simply because you can get another browser or keyboard for Prime does not mean that the other one is necessarily better for you or without problems.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
You can download the ICS keyboard from the market.

What makes you say that Opera or Dolphin browsers are bloated?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oasis9389:
I am sure he knows that.. he is a 'tech wizard'... :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flak0:
@OP yup battery life really sucks #sarcasm. Stick to ur thrive then
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
Each person has their own needs, so it's totally fair to say that the prime is not what you expected. I'm a little disappointed myself at the fact that there are no good academic research paper organizing apps for Android tablets.

However, saying the stock browser is not bloated compared to Opera... come on. I wouldn't expect my parents to download third party browsers, keyboards, etc. to make their device satisfactory - but you're clearly somewhat of a tech person, so your comments are kind of strange to me. You can download just about any keyboard possible. If you aren't satisfied with ANY of them, I don't think you're trying hard enough, or you are just set on being unhappy with the stock keyboard. And that's fine. Each to his own.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I stopped using Dolphin once they let this eZine (or whatever it was called) happen to my browser. I like Opera much more and the mini version is not bloated, but Opera mobile browser does not listen to 'Enter' key as the submitting command on forms that do not have separate button on websites for it. As a result I found myself jumping back and forth between native browser and Opera one, which obviously sucks.

After using Galaxy Nexus for a while and since I use Chrome at home, the bookmark and other sync options natively are much preferred as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
damn! lmfao is that on battery savings mode? no other tablet has even touched that kind of battery life. I just switched from normal to battery savings mode to see if I can pull those numbers. actually thrive has one of the worst batteries of any tablet. its replaceable but very small. that was the main gripe about the thrive, its horrible battery life and that it was the thickest and heaviest of all tabs. now the newer 7 inch is very thin and light but still plagued by dismal battery life.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
Eh? You barely used it mate. Look at the battery drop while you actually used the device. Of those 14 hours you did not use the device for 11 hours. According to that graph your actual 100% in-use battery time is about 7-8 hours.

Please pay attention to what the graph actually says. It shows that he had the device inactive for 11 hours. He only used it for 3 hours.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flak0:
Nope its on balanced mode. I played Sahdowgun and Sonic for a combined 2 hours. Damn Dr.robotnik pissed me off lol. This tablet sleeps really well. Seems the ninja core is doing its thing
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dabbill:
90% of the complaints people are talking about are software related, and even google said they messed up on honeycomb. ICS will be here soon and will cure 90% of the problems with the prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flak0:
True however as mentioned in my other post I did play ShadowGun THD for an hour which does make use of all 4 cores. I am convinced battery life will get better. I have only charged it about 3 times since I got it. I did charge it for 10 hours the first time before unplugging

---------- Post added at 04:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:46 PM ----------

@OP browser issues are due to the OpenGL implementation '+ check my other thread. If you turn off OpenGL via debug menu then stock browser becomes smooth as butter but u do lose flash inbrowser and do have to double tap to fullscreen to view. IcS will fix all these issues.

---------- Post added at 04:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

+10 this Is why Google closed sourced HC until ICS source was out
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
feel the same way. I do think his impression is honest though. But the negatives he mentioned could easily be remedied through methods you and others described. as he already owned a thrive, he should already have noticed the various options available to him. as far as comparison to tegra2 device being on par or better than tegra3 is hard to swallow. lol I have a tegra2 device, atrix4g, with a lower screen resolution and the prime completely outshines it in terms of performance and battery life. the op might have super ips+ mode on n not realize it. I would also recommend downloading the real Tf201 manual, in PDF format. almost 100 pages long with very detailed info on prime and how it works. there's a thread on it here in general section with link to download it. that lil booklet that comes with prime tells you nothing really.

to the op, good luck on finding viable solutions to the issues you mentioned. they can easily be remedied with lil effort. I've been more than satisfied with performance, battery life, build quality, and especially the superior displayPrime has. I come from using an Ipad and IMO, it can't compete against the prime. I do know what you mean by the back feeling slippery. I be afraid of dropping mines also even though its so light n thin. the edges do seem kinda sharp, in a sense. I Will be looking to get a case asap, as I dont want to scratch or risk dropping it. I had a scare last night when my daughter, about year n a half old, slammed the heavy t.v. remote pretty hard against the screen of the prime. Very glad this has gorilla glass n has passed the baby proof test..lmao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] unknown_owner:
Here is my positive take on the Prime. I had the original TF so most of my comparison is with that

Form factor: I like the slim form factor because it reduces the weight. Whey is that important? Even though the OG-TF was not that heavy, it was heavy enough that you couldn't hold it in one hand without support for too long. You now can with the TFP. I like the slick back. Yes it has scared me a couple of times with I on-hand it, but you know what, I don't do that. I hold it with 2 hands. I would gladly trade the slick back for the reduction in weight. At least the slick back can be resolved by other means whereas the weight of the tablet cannot.

Keyboard: Easy. I have never used any default android keyboard on my tablet or any of my many android phones. I don't expect android (or any manufacturer) to invest time in a keyboard. There are plenty out there that are FREE so that has never been an issue and frankly never will be. Anyway, I like the thumb keyboard and gladly paid the what $3 to get it. It allows me to keep 2 hands on the tablet while I type.

Battery: I can't say too much here because i don't sit there and watch my battery on any of my devices including my phones. I have many options and places to charge it, so I do it when its necessary. When I know I will use it for a long while, I prepare the tablet by charging it fully. Nothing wrong with charging the TFP when I'm sleeping; just makes it ready for me to use when I awake. I guess for me the battery would come up when I'm travelling, but then again I fully charge the battery and charge it when possible at stops I make along the way. no I haven't judged how many hours I have used it without charging yet.

Performance: I haven't taxed the Prime yet. Yes I've streamed my home movies, my netflix and online content; it all worked fine to me. Yes the stock browser is not something to be admired, but again there are FREE alternatives that can resolve that issue immediately. The games run great on the Prime. no I'm sorry I didn't have a notepad and jot down notes every time something jumped, because I'm really not that picky. Granted everything in my Prime is working fine and if something isn't I just make the case "Can I live with it?" If the answer is yes, then I move on. If it becomes unbearable, I purchased a 2 yr ADH warranty from square trade, plus the manufacturers warranty is still in place. I'll just get a replacement.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
so other than playing those games, was it more light usage and sleep or pretty good use throughout to achieve those numbers?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oasis9389:
damn.. tech-wizard.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bubigrega:
Hmm I decided not to "belive" to review from person that dosn't know how to instal browser or change to the preinstald HC keyboard.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Soon enough we'll all have our own Primes and will be able to evaluate for ourselves. I do wonder at some of the folks whose experiences seem SO MUCH more negative than many others', but it's also entirely possible that there are lemons out there that simply don't perform up to par.

Mine should be here tomorrow (and I double ordered accidentally, sort of, and will have a second unit to play with on Friday), and I'll make my own assessment. It's interesting to hear really negative reviews like this, because I know my own experience will either equal it (and my Primes will be going back to the store) or I'll be pleasantly surprised at how much better my own experience is.

Time will tell. Not much use arguing against such a review, though, because if the person is being completely honest then there's no good reason to attack him/her. If the person is a troll, then he/she just shouldn't be fed. End of story.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thebaron862:
For all of the people unimpressed with the Prime, I am still waiting on my pre-order to come in from tiger direct(possibly January?), so if you are unhappy, I will be happy to buy it for the MSRP.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fordmanck:
I'm not going to go nuts replying. I love mine so far and I came from a TF101. I can tell you that I see the same issues that I had with it before rooting and running a custom ROM. As for the keyboard I bought swiftkey tablet which splits the keyboard and makes landscape typing so much easier. I can't get over how thin it is, even thinner than my SGSII. Now the only negative I have is that it takes the Dev community working on this to make it head and shoulders above the iPad2. But my question is this, isn't that why most of us especially on this forum, by these? As soon as ICS is launched it'll crush an iPad2, plus we don't have to pay for numerous apps that are still pay apps with iOS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] bathanr:
I have had my prime since the 23rd. I own a zoom with 4gLTE. Here are my impressions.

The screen and resolution is by far the best I have experienced. It runs circles around my xoom with great clarity.

Moving from screen to screen has been a little laggy on my xoom and horrible with live wallpaper, but the prime seems to hang in there.

Netflix is gorgeous. The ability to watch bluray rips is a winner as my xoom could not handle certain 720 or 1080 p movie files.

Gaming is far superior on my prime with awesome graphics.

Going from portrait to landscape is not laggy on prime.

I installed adw launcher and after exiting an app, it took a sec or two for the homepage to appear.

I Have selected normal mode.

The touch seems less responsive on my prime. Perhaps it is because of it being a little different than the xoom. I find myself having to touch harder or more than once for a response. Might need to get used to the screen.

Browsing has been great IMO. The keyboard lags slightly on some sites, but not nearly as bad as stock xoom.

I installed a custom rom on my xoom which made it run much better.

Battery life seems OK to me. About the same as xoom when running normal mode.

I hear many people talking about ICS, but after reading a post from a Google engineer, I lost my excitement.

My evo 3d running gingerbread runs excellent. I experience no lag and when my friends show me their iPhone 4s, I laugh and say, that is a cute toy and then show off my Widgets and cool customizations. I wish the android tablets worked that smoothly. I am sure in time they will respond and perform the way they should. I still love the prime tablet so far and even my xoom; minus the slowdowns here and there.

I noticed some very strange behavior once while in portrait mode the screen kept getting distorted and flickering. No idea what it was,but it is no longer happening.

Overall, I don't see a huge difference between tegra 2 and 3. The only real difference for me was the gaming, resolution, and ability to watch all HD movies I throw at it. It is an attractive device with great hardware which is waiting for some great software. Reminds me of the days when PC upgrades had awesome hardware and fast processors with bad software which had many bottlenecks. The 3 differences I mentioned were my selling points and they make the device great for me, though I miss my 4G Ltd built in.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
If you don't like the tablet leave any devs reading this form are going to think the tablet sucks because of all the pessimistic prime owners. The tablet has it's issues small ones and we just need some updates from Asus which they will do since they are the best company for updates. You need to realize tegra 3 is new and there will be links but things will be worked out so take your pessimistic attitude somewhere else. I happen to love the tablet and feel it is a step in the right direction for Android ads whole.the tablet is extremely quick, sexy, and has a beautiful screen and so much potential.

Sincerely ,

Pissed off prime owner
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I feel what you saying. you had me laughing at the tone of it. I feel the same way. I do think you should edit or reword the pessimistic asshole part..lmfao don't want mods thinkn its a personal attack on member. I definitely feel your frustrations also with some of the comments being made about our great device.

now that's a hardcore prime owner for ya..lol people better watch out before this becomes war. we will defend device till the End ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
I did come off strong edited the asshole part but everything I said was the truth the tablet is great and there's too many picky people on the forums .

It's a great device and I will defend it so more devs jump onboard
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I think the devs are perfectly aware that there will always be people who hate a product, and can separate the wheat from the chaff.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Mostly agree with what you wrote. I'll be shocked, though, if the Lenovo as rumored isn't $699 for 32GB. The reason: those high-res screens will be in VERY short supply early in 2012. Only Apple will be able to get any significant quantity of them, and rumors are that even Apple is having a hard time with supply.

Low supply + high demand = high prices. Add in more RAM and there's no way that the Lenovo (again, as rumored) will be anything close to the Prime's price. I think that's also why we're seeing rumors that the iPad 3 will be a more expensive device, and the iPad 2 will stay on the market at its current price or maybe a little lower.