yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Zip themers work with rasbean jelly.

And can u plz make nexus one nav buttons with blue color. Like home button same as urs just back button and other nav button blue in color.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Change is coming!

I will give the thread a major overhaul tonight (or at least I'll start with it) and make all the mods available in both White and ICS Blue (or JB Blue now hehe). Furthermore, I'll make the Stock keys available in some other colors as well!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Waiting for u to do so.. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Major Update!

Added every 2013 Style in both White and ICS Blue

Added 5 different colors for Stock Style

Added IME_BACK button for every style

Migrated everything to Dropbox for my convenience
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Faint333:
On my Galaxy Nexus running stock 4.2.1 rooted I cannot get this to work with ZipThemer. After selecting the flashable file (MMZT_softkeys_stock.zip) and clicking Configure I get, Error: updater-script, script not found in /storage/emulated/o/download/mmzt_softkeys_stock.zip. I must be missing something but I went over the steps a few times and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong so I figured I'd make a post on here. Any help is much appreciated and great work on the keys!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
You have to configure your rom not that mmzt file.. Configure because in order to make undo.zip so u can restore ut if somethung go wrong.

I think you can skip this step just copy your systemUI.apk somewhere else. If something go wrong u can replace it. Or use metamorph.

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Thnku so much bro :) loving blure razrHD :thumbup: :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Hi Guys, ive got a problem, i tried to get the nexus keys on my N4 using metamorph, now ive lost my statusbar and keys so its kinda useless atm.

I thought there was a thread in the N4 section but i couldnt find it.

I would appreciate it if you could help or link me to another thread.

-Lychee
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Bro which rom are you using? I had the same problem i might help you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Im using stock, JOP40D with root.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Easy way is to find systemUI.apk for your rom and replace it using root explorer and fix permission... Or just flash system.img again using fast boot. Rom 4.2.1 stock?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Ok, thanks, ill look for the img and flash it, afterwards ill post again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1555474&d=1355254076

Here you go flash this in recovery it would work.. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Didnt work. No errors though. I'll just download the full image and push the apk. Which permissions should i set? 775?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
rw-r--r--

It should have worked and just extract systemUI.zip from the link that i have provided and push it to system apps..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Still doesnt work... i dont know why, i'll just flash the occam-jop40d-factory-ca7602f0.tgz image through fastboot

There are way too many files in there o.O

if i want to flash the system image it would be:

adb reboot bootloader
fastboot flash system system.img

?

EDIT: **** it i'll just go the AOKP way.

Thanks anyways :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
It should not have caused so much of problem..dont know why replacing systemui is not working fr u..did u tried after wiping dalvich cache?.

In future use zip themer.

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Nexus 4 ? I thought u are using galaxy nexus... :D

Srry i cant find systemui.apk for ur device and srry for misunderstanding :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] itasoulas:
@ OP... Great work man! :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
No problems, i still appreciated your help, im running aokp now and its fine.

I'll use ZipThemer from now on, just used MetaMorph cause i knew it from the early Desire days.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Good! Aokp is awesome (:

Verstuurd van mijn Nexus 4 met Tapatalk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xLychee:
Yes it is, i just wanted to use stock as long as im satisfied^^
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cafe421:
Awesome! Thanks adding the different colors for stock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
I have a request, if anyone could make the images for me...

I was hoping to find some droidfont style soft keys that say LIKE A BOSS. If anyone could make these i would really appreciate it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
Soft key

Does anybody have these keys collection...i would love to get theme plz can anybody help my??
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LarsAussems:
Those are the concept software keys, don't know where to find them.

Verstuurd van mijn Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dirtygoldfish:
Here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1639370
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EVIL JIMMY:
I'm running into a problem here, when I go to extract the systemui.apk, it says it has extracted, but when I press, go to folder it force closes... :/ any tips?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akellar:
Go there manually
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EVIL JIMMY:
My bad, should have said, when I navigate manually the folder does not exist.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bangdrum:
Speed software -extracted
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mustang302LX:
Does anyone have the ics blue search key in landscape by chance?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] grinch247:
running theory 2.2...followed to the "letter" no new icons :( what am I missing?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] droidpirate:
Here's a metamorph version

Installation:

1. Download file below, note this file requires the MetaMorph Application

2. Move to “Android Themes” folder created by MetaMorph on SD card

3. After checks, choose “Unzip/Extract New“

4. Follow instructions from there

5. Phone may reboot, if not, manually reboot

Need to be rooted with busybox installed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SteroidalFish2:
Here's a purple one that I threw together using the Stock Blue sr-ha made. Give me some feedback. :) View attachment 841437

Do NOT attempt to flash this.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] skaman9876:
Is there a version of the softkeys that has a persistent menu button? I saw a preview someone had with the menu button on both sides. I may be old fashioned but I like having the menu button there full time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vin2win:
Hey guys quick question, once I hit extract all... the next step of going into Speedsoftware portion...it says that doesnt exist on my phone?? Any ideas.. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bangdrum:
Are you using root explorer?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] OSully:
Definitely need a landscape version of the ICS blue search icon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zeke1988:
i got this to work on Android Revolution HD 2.1.2, using #3.

for some reason, root explorer cant extract all the skin from the zip, i need to extract 1 by 1. at the end, i got it to work, i love the aribrush blue!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] HumorousMaximus:
The last time I did it after overwriting the systemui.apk the launcher immediately started force closing before I had a chance to modify permissions. Pulled the battery and it booted without the launcher. No soft keys or notification bar. I'll try another method the next time I give it a go. Which is the best (most likely to work) of the first two?

-thanks in advance.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mlbvsnba:
I was bored so I made a quick batch file to automate the 2nd method.

It creates a modded zip file as well as an original version (also flashable) and will transfer them to your phone's sdcard (well, /sdcard for the GN :) ) for you.

You can download it here.

*This uses 7-zip and a standalone adb from velnens123*
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vin2win:
Yes I am ...got it to work by searching in the post...now the step I cant seem to get past is when I have to rename the file and then move it back into System/app...it wont let me "paste" it back there in root explorer..says its a read file only?

Thanks any help is appreciated
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] doublea500:
wow, realllly eassy to do. got it up and running on gummy nex then axiom!!! ty.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] duke69111:
I can confirm that step 3 works on stock rooted 4.0.2. The search button just does not show, but it shouldn't. Very Cool. Thanks!

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You have to mount the read/write at the top of root explorer to paste and change permissions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bangdrum:
Hmm. What rom are you on? Maybe you did something wonky lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mustang302LX:
Landscape Search Key

Save image and rename as ic_sysbar_search_land.png

You're welcome ;) lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] malibu_23:
Finally down arrows!!!! Yes!!!!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
flash soft key

how to flash the soft key ...sorry im noob in that and i heard about metamorph and file theme ...sooo how is better?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Mate use zip themer(recommended)... If you wanna use metamorph backup ur systemui.apk.. Download mmtz file. Scroll down on the 1st page of this forum steps are given follow them.

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Bdw which rom you are using?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
I used cm10.1 but i hange to xylon the last one with android 4.2.1 why?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
So use zip themer.. My navbar disappeared when i used metamorph..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
Thx a lot...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Pleasure is mine mate :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] IthsSunnyB:
will these soft key mods work with the latest paranoid release 2.99.9r5 I really dig ur work bra!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Update! Font-based Softkeys added!

Update! Font-based Softkeys added!

College

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE

Elvish

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE

Defused

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE

Droid

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE

Pixel

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE

Russia

Download: REGULAR or ICS BLUE​
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
AWESOME! Thank you for updating these!

I know I've requested these before, but I was wondering if there is any way that you could make 3 keys in the DROID font that say LIKE A BOSS? That would be awesome! And thank you in advance!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Haha yeah good that you remember! I'll see if I can do this tonight!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spartan-117-mc:
Hello, i dont know if anyone note this but, the big landscape menu key is wrong named, it should be "ic_sysbar_menu_big_land.png" (at least in my SystemUI.apk from CM10), but in your zip's are "ic_sysbar_menu_land_big.png"; besides that your keys are amazing, thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
hey, just tried this today and noticed one little annoying glitch...i'm using verizon nexus, running cm10 stable - went with the stock small ics blue keys. they look great, except for a minor glitch with the task manager...screenshot to come in a sec.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
Look at the bottom right corner...the navbar seems to shrink and show the background behind it. It only seems to happen when I press recent apps, and pressing home after that seems to fix it...

Is there any way to stop it from happening?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
interestingly, i just restored my backup and still seeing this...is this a CM bug that i never noticed before?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] woe2011:
I used a set of your softkeys, but i made a modification of my own in the home button and felt like sharing it..

I hope that's not a problem with you!

I also plan to make all softkeys buttons with a batman font.

I'll send them to you, so you can add them to your thread if you want. so let me know!

and a screenshot:

View attachment 1631065
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Here they are, they spell LIKE A BOSS in Droid font :) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1983605/Softkeys/Special Requests/MMZT_softkeys_boss.zip

Hmm they must have changed it because it used to be ic_sysbar_menu_land_big.png in the past. Is anyone else experiencing this as well? Then I will need to edit all of the styles *sigh*

Hehe it's not in AOKP so I guess it's either CM or you have some kind of bad flash..

Oh please feel free to edit and share it! Although I won't add it to the first post, I want to keep that for myself so I can be free to edit and throw things around as I please :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
It must be a cm bug...I did a full wipe and reflash of cm10 stable and its still there. Not sure how I never noticed it before...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
Awesome thank you!!!!

Where's the donate button?!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
Any way to get the landscape keyboard down button?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Haha it's right here on the left side of my posts, but rather donate something to charity than to me, they have better use for it :)

Hmm hey I never knew there was a seperate image for that. I'll look into it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
Probably can't see it because I'm on mobile! And I donate to a charity quarterly. I don't mind throwing a few bucks your way for the help though!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
thanks! looks like the filename is ic_sysbar_back_ime_land.png

i'll see if i can get it updated and working for the buttons i'm using (stock small ics blue)...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] crackers8199:
done...here's one with the extra button, for stock small ics blue (i'm gonna try to do one also with the lights out images at some point but don't have time to do that right now)...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tw1tterik:
Those colored stocks... can someone make them in black? Xylon rom, transparent navbar... black would be great!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dirtygoldfish:
I attached a zip of PNGs, I hope they work. Remember to copy-paste the images into a ZT zip if you want to use ZipThemer with them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LaDrOIdBoy:
Wow, this is soo nice! Where is the wallpaper from and what is the widget under the icons? :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
the file dont work plz reuplodeee
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
What do you mean? Dropbox is not down so the files are there ;) read the instructions and it should work!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] leongzhi:
These themes are gorgeous! Thanks a bunch :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
Hey atticus one question about the new Droidfont softkeys you made... How come the new keys are smaller than the old Droidfont keys released? I noticed that your "Like A Boss" keys that you released for me were the same size as the older keys as well. For some reason the new release is smaller. As you can see in my screen shot, I used the BACK and HOME keys from your original release and the MENU key is from your recent release.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mixtapes08:
Can you share those bigger size softkeys there dude?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Haha I chose to make them a little smaller to be less intrusive. If you think the big ones were better I'll re-do them with the same size as the old ones. Your call :cowboy:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mixtapes08:
Yes please. Bigger means better detail make it two versions if you want. Your call your the master here. Thanks in advance :)

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KlugN:
For me it depends on the ROM that I'm using. If I don't have an adjustable Navbar height, I prefer the smaller icons. If I do have an adjustable Navbar height such as in AOKP, I prefer the larger ones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tomacotuna:
i just download some softkeys but there are not zipthemere how can i aply them ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Download zip themer app from market. Then use the zip themer by following steps on 1st post :)

Sent from my Nexus Prime.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Hey ATTICUS128 can you plz provide me with these type of nav buttons :) ?

Sent from my Nexus Prime.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Yeah I could but it's using four buttons and I don't know which ones are what. I always use 5+down so that's 6 in total..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] daviddemarco79:
How about a mirrored font
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] abhishek93:
Make them acoording to you or like this

red=back

Blue=home

Green= recent apps

Yellow= settings

And for down just rotate that red button from horizontal to vertical. I dont knw about search button white would work i think.

Sent from my Nexus Prime.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Youngunn2008:
Gonna have to use these on my atrix :thumbup:

Sent from my MotoAHD Maxx
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lexdad86:
Hey is there any possibility of doing soft keys based off the dark knight trilogy/batman softkeys or would it be easier to do something based off of the Justice League? I know you already have batman font but i was wondering if you could do an icon based set from either batman/dark knight movies or the justice league (Flash, Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Hawk Girl [Justice League Animated Series])

Not sure how hard it would be or how popular it would be, but I would greatly appreciate it. Even if you just got the icons set up so you can download the icons and switch them out, which it seems like most roms support nowadays, I would appreciate that also!

Thanks for you for your dedication and amazing work that allows Android to be so awesome
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] LasVegasRomeo:
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Xparent Green Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cujoblue:
So do you have to have a rom to install the soft keys or can you simply be rooted because I've tried metamorph, zip themer, n simply installing through clockwork mod and they still won't install.... using metamorph I hav no xml files after unzip
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spartan-117-mc:
this is in CM10 latest nightly 20121215 and also in latest CM10.1 is ic_sysbar_menu_big_land.png, later i test in Stock, and Paranoid
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dab_penyo:
Love the Ballon style

Will try it :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rrohanjs:
hey can you please make me 1 png file of a plain dash with hex code - # 45423E ~ r69 g66 b62 .. also zte grand style with same color code ? thanx
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Ehm you can do this yourself right :) just unzip the style you want and edit the png images to the requested color :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mixtapes08:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Do it yourself how will you learn if you keep on asking someone to do it for you. You figure on how to buy a good phone now it's your time to figure on how to customize it.

Anyway you dont need any software to do it. Just go to pixlr.com/editor then select adjustments then select color lookup input your desired colors. Then save it. Your done. Even a grade school student can do it on it's own.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rrohanjs:
damn, sorry it dint click it was that easy, i was trying to edit it on the phone and it wasent editing only the nav bar but instead a square around it so i thought i'm doing it wrong
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mixtapes08:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

No don't edit it on the phone. Phone editors lessen the image quality. Much better if you edit it on a pc.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ev1L4o:
I think this is the right place to ask this : Can the soft keys be transparent at like 75% ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lxxs:
Is there any way to get this softkeys work on galaxy nexus 7 too ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Milamber33:
You could put transparency on the images, but that wouldn't make you able to see through the softkey background. You need ROM support for this.

I'm guessing you mean the 'google nexus 7', which is not a 'galaxy' device at all. And yes, the idea is the same, some of the methods may not work but the manual way will.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lxxs:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Yes, my bad, i mean google nexus 7. Its the same idea but the location and the size are different. Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] giorgis91:
R: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Is there any power button softkey?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lxxs:
I don't think so, but exists an app called Screen Off that allows you to put a widget that puts screen off when pressed
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 0vermind:
I made a flashable zip for the samsung softkeys in blue color, works in TWRP, not sure about CWM.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mozcch:
Awesome！！ This is better than the stock a lot!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fune:
Works fine in Deodexed stock rom with root?

Thanks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matthew0776:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Can you post a screen shot would like to see before I flash. Thanx
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ameir0000:
Rare softkeys

COME VISIT MY RARE SOFTKEYS MASTER COLLECTION ===>>> PLEASE CLICK HERE
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Faint333:
ICS Stock Blue update

Hi, I finally figured out how to add these to my phone and tablet, haha. Anyways, I noticed when on my phone it didn't have the "minimize keyboard" while in landscape. So I opened the zip, went to the location of the .png files.. opened up the ic_sysbar_back_ime.png into your favorite image editing software (photoshop or gimp) and change the canvas size from 160x96 to 96x160, be sure to center the image, save the filename as ic_sysbar_back_ime_land.png and the colored version should show. I hope this helps some people. Thanks again to atticus182!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] atticus182:
Lol that's a load of BS.. What's rare and master about them?

Good luck with your work though :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] illr:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Some are actually dope, I dig the Audi s5 keys, creative and I'm a VW/Audi guy ^__^ Not BS because some may actually find them useful, maybe not you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] albert1500:
i did this with the zip themer... i have my phone in tablet mode and the softkeys dont change, if i switch it to stock it works.

any way to change them in tablet mode?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 0vermind:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Yes, it's universal, works in all Roms and all phones.

See the OP. Scroll down to the Samsung soft keys, there's a picture there.

Tappin the talk
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] netherzone:
Not work on JB 4.2.2 deodexed ROM. im try to flash with cwm 6.0.2.3 but always "installation aborted"

Can help me?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reggie cheeks:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

I was not able to apply with zipthemer on aokp4.2.2 but metamorph worked on 4.2.2! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jubomime:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

Its BS that he is pimping his collection on this thread, for sure.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] A.L.2009:
These look great! Do you have them in any other colors?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] king236:
pretty neat?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xxSAKISxx:
Απ: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

i know that all works in 4.2.1 stock rom. But they work on stock 4.2.2 odexed of course?

Send from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Anyone has stock reflect theme like for notepad and internet icons? I use 8 softkey so i need those to match the other icons.. :) Thanks..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Milamber33:
As has been mentioned before, these are just images. They will work on any rom based on any android version for any device that has onscreen softkeys, so long as you match up the dimensions, filenames, and locations correctly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] drwedge:
These are awesome! But there's too many to choose from - I keep changing every couple days. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vjsoul:
Doesn't work in RAZRi

:crying: not work on a RAZRi with stock odex 4.1.2 :crying:

what can I do?

help! please!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] puldag:
YES! thanks for it :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dep169:
thanks for your softkey and tutorial. :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jluiscc25:
Re: [SOFTKEYS] Softkey Collection [08-01 Fonts!]

I'm on the same problem XD!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] VenomXII:
Hey Atticus, where are those Xbox 360 Softkeys you said in the OP that you posted, i can't find them in this thread