yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] doeboy711:
What games will be supported with the "next gen" tablets super high resolution? It will take months for developers to come up with games that can actually do something with that screen resolution. Plus all of the games out now will probably look like ass as well. I think it would be nice to have in theory, but it's total overkill! Comparing iOS and android is great and all but you have to think, iOS only has to optimize there OS for 2 iPads, so there's not much difference in screen resolution/specs and all. But with android, there are to many tablets, with so many different specs, screen sizes and resolution's, it's hard to optimize the HC or ICS to each tablet, but they do there best and so do the manufactures who modify it to help make each tablet run better. That is where custom roms and kernels come in at and modify everything to help it run very smooth, and that is where the iPads and not compete at. they are stuck with Apple's version of the update and can't create something better for themselves. So that's why I will choose android over Apple any day of the week/month/year! I don't have my Prime yet to give any insight into it, but I believe I will truly enjoy my TP for many months, and/if something does come along in the fall that I believe that will truly make this tablet out-of-date, then I will sell it and get the next best thing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Star Shadow:
I pre-ordered the 64 gig version, but with the delay it will come well after CES, so I decided to see what else is out there. I've been hearing about bad GPS, and that's one thin I want. I love the idea of the dock with the extra battery which no other tablet does. The tablet appeared to check the boxes, so I'll see if the GPS gets sorted before deciding what to do.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
As far as the apps thing goes, you're arguing against any Android tablet and for the iPad 2. That's fine as far as it goes, but let's just be clear about that aspect of it.

As far as the lag, again, that's an argument against Honeycomb tablets in general. Hopefully that'll be resolved with ICS, and given that the Prime should get ICS before any other tablet on the market (probably including the Xoom) that's in the Prime's favor.

Finally, as far as support goes, name one Android tablet maker that provides better support. Certainly, none have in terms of Honeycomb updates. As far as sending into a depot is concerned, I don't know that anybody else is better although most might not charge for shipping. So that's a plus in their favor.

All in all, your arguments seem generally more for the iPad 2 than against the Prime. Again, that's fine, but let's just be clear about it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
You. Go back to your Apple forum. Fast.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
I also forgot to mention that the A5 GPU performance out performs the Tegra 3's in benches and in game when it comes to graphics. Hopefully developers will learn to take advantage of Tegra 3's Quad core architecture to over come the difference in GPU performance.

Don't hate. My OPINION was fair and honest. Get up and grow a pair.

Sent from my iPad 2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Really?

1. WiFi issue WAS there, it is fixed now.

2. I don't get how it can't be smooth. Watch any review, the transmissions are just smooth as butter.

3. Every reviewer praises the display for being nice and bright. The resolution is exactly the same as your Galaxy Tab 10.1, how can they be "sretched out"?

4. Backlight, could be possible. Is your iPad 2 backlight bleeding? (video) Yeah, buy an iPad, that doesn't have it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uKPL9CnQVG8#!

5. Again, lag seems to be only on that unit because the others don't have that.

6. Yes iOS is better optimized, there is 1 unit while with Android there are 100 or more.

7. The chip has support for 5GHz, the software doesn't.. sure Asus will fix this.

8. Get the point? ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Yeah! Really.....

1.It isn't fixed. Get your head out of the clouds. Haven't you read the forums? Alot of brand new units are having "Out of the box" wifi problems. Does that sound fixed to you?

2. Enable the live wallpaper and come back here and tell me it's "smooth as butter". I can use a good Christmas laugh.

3. I stated that I found the dispaly to be vibrant and bright. If you actually payed attention to most reviews you'd know that the colors are bland compared to the oversaturated colors used in Samsung displays including the ipad's Samsung panel. I previously explained that this was personal preference....and not a fault of the device. Please do me a favor and read before you post.

4. No. I do not have backlight bleeding on my ipad 2.

5. Again, lag seems to be only on that unit because the others don't have that.<---You said this. Have you not read all the posts here that mention lag on the ATP?

6. I agree

7. I'll believe it when I see it.

8. You reading first before you post will save you and me alot of time. I didn't come here to flame the ATP. Just give my opinion. I believe the ATP is the best Android device yet and only adds fuel to the fire when it comes to competition.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
He wants games and smooth transitions. Why did he get the prime again? Glad that guy isn't around here anymore :O i don't wanna hate! I just think the ipad2 is perfect for you. Why getting something else if you're happy???

Oh btw. I'm gonna game some real racing 2 HD now. On my android phone.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Please get me to 8 posts so I can light you up with videos ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
1. Watch a random video and see it is smooth, it even was smooth on the TF101.

2. Sure.

3. Yes, you don’t have it. Sure not EVERYONE has backlight bleeding on there Prime’s.

4. Yes, seen those posts. I can’t really believe all of them and didn’t see one video of it. Show me!

5. Ok.

6. Ok.

7. Sure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
You have many points I agree with. However, this is wrong. I've even complained about many aspects of the prime.

In *normal mode*, HD live wallpaper is absolutely and utterly smooth as butter, even when transitioning between screens. Apple's products are my benchmark, and live wallpaper + screen transitions are not a wise target of attack if you want to get your point across. Attack the horrible scrolling of the stock browser. Or the fact that android is lacking in tablet optimized apps.

I'm sorry you had to wait so long for your prime!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
actually, alot of the games you mentioned are coming to Android very soon. Tegra3 optimized version of Dead Space, Real Racing 2 Hd already out for android, need for speed n others coming also. I have all those n more on my ipad. shadowgun for tegra3 is way better looking than my iPad version. Android does need to pick up the pace with bringing out top notch games to showcase power of device. android has tons of good games also. I already have over 40 on my prime, plus snes,genesis, and n64 emulators. lets not forget onlive, Which I have also. apple makes a great device but is too locked down, unless jailbroken. like mines is. I jailbrake to do half of the things Android does by default Smh. my iPad been sitting since I got he prime. I use to hardly ever set it down. now the prime has taken over. I'm no longer amazed with my ipad. This Prime tablet lets me see the real power of a free Os ecosystem and performance can't be matched by any device out now or at least next 4 months or so. by then, we will be running custom roms and overclocking. which will beat out any newer tablets down the line. so Prime is future proofed, to an extent.

Good luck on search for new tablet ;)

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I thought of this. with skygunner few posts and join date, he is more than likely another Member that got flamed. now back as this new name. I have ideas as who it might be, especially when talking about ipad2 is so much better...lol

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lmfao that was funny. Good one
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
It's bothersome when threads like this devolve into iPad vs. Android tablet threads. I think we're all aware of the iPad's strengths and weaknesses, and same for Android tablets. The fact that everyone is here, given Apple's marketing clout, implies pretty strongly that the vast majority of us decided for an Android tablet and against an iPad. So, arguing that the iPad 2 is a better device is 1) without value to this audience and 2) very likely to start a flame war. I'd bet #2 is on purpose.

Personally, I don't like Apple or its products. I don't like OS X, which is why I use Windows machines. And I don't like iOS devices, which is why I use Android phones and tablets. Yes, there are more apps for iOS, but that's largely become a meaningless statistic--every single app I want or need is available on Android, and so I couldn't care less if iOS has many variations on the same ones. As a former webOS fan, I understand the value of a viable app ecosystem, and both iOS and Android have one.

As far as the vaunted iOS smoothness, to me it's a direct product of how much less iOS devices can do. I'll take a little lag in the UI if that means I can have widgets that provide real value. Much of the time, I just turn my Transformer on, glance at the home screen, and get the information I'm looking for: weather, new email messages (not a count, but the a list of actual messages), upcoming calendar appointments, Twitter and Facebook updates, etc. I like that functionality, and I wouldn't trade the need to open each individual app on an iPad 2 to get at the same information--no matter how "smooth" the process might be.

And what are we comparing, anyways? Scrolling in the iOS app list vs. scrolling home pages with all those highly useful widgets installed? Is that a meaningful comparison at all? I'd say it's not, and not even close. We're comparing apples to oranges (seriously, pun not intended) here.

As far as I'm concerned, the only advantage that an iPad 2 might have over even my Transformer would be that the browser is smoother. But since the browser on my Transformer is fine for me, and I can always choose Opera Mobile and have a very smooth experience, that's a meaningless distinction as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
What are you talking about? Man you have a vivid imagination. I stumbled upon this site by googling ATP. In my excitement over the device I found this forum and registered. No need for illusions of grandeur. It's really not that complicated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKdYTJJlfk&feature=youtu.be

Where's the bad backlight bleeding? My local gamestop still has my prime that I canceled and a few docks. I'm going to go pick it up and post a few videos on the lag/performance mode with live wallpaper and backlight bleeding.

I'll start a new thread and post a link to it here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Look guys, it's not an attack on you or your toys if somebody else didn't like theirs. Everybody's experiences and expectations are different. And yes, the iPad comparison will inevitably come up because like it or not, many people have one, and it's the "gold standard" as far as the public is concerned.

The problem with attacking skygunner27 (or any negative experience) is that you're just making the person more adamant and against you. And in the process you make the thread worse.

@skygunner27

Can't say for your laggy experience. Honeycomb (HC) is known for lags in UI. ICS reportedly will be better, but nobody knows for use. XDA is famous for custom ROMs. The Prime is a hot ticket, and there'll be active development for it. The OS will be optimized. I know it sounds stupid to say this to a 0-day buyer, but gotta have some patience for the devs to get to work. Android can be kinda rough OOB.

Re: Games - Yeah, if you're about games, iPad has more. At least for time being. Android's library of games is getting larger, though. Check out Droidgamers.com. There are more games coming over from iOS, and with less lag time between the two versions. The deal is that Android can do more than just games. You already know this, since you're on XDA. But yes, if games are numero uno for you, iPad is better. Let's be honest about it.

Re: Wifi - Of the Android tabs, only the Samsung GTs and the Moto Xooms have dual-band. The reason is that most consumer N routers nowaday are of the cheap single-band (2.4GHz) variety. Acer/Asus cater mostly to consumers, so it's an obvious cost-saver. I can understand that Apple users (ie those with Apple router, forget the name) are put out, because those are dual-band. I have dual-band as well, so I'm in your boat. 2.4GHz is OK, though.

Re: Asus customer service - Realistically, you should never have to deal with the manufacturer, unless the item broke after the 14-day period (or 1.5 month period if you have extended holiday returns like from BestBuy). Your first recourse should always be with the retailer.

If you want the least hassle, it's probably best to not be an early adopter, since most of the glitches will be resolved (or at least known about) when the product becomes more widespread. That, and buying online (pre-order) is always more hassle if you need to return stuff. I looked at Gamestop's return policy and it's terrible. Pick the one with the best return policy. I love Walmart. I can return anything there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Lol, really? I didn't claim all iPad's had backlight bleeding, i was just telling not all iPad's are free of backlight bleeding.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You meant transitions, and no, they're aren't as smooth as butter. Not in HC, and they won't be in ICS. It's not the processors, it's the way Android renders graphics. If anything, memory bandwidth and the GPU are more important than the processors to UI fluidity. I just posted a link to a Google engineer's blog where she explains graphics in Android in great detail. Read her summary and you'll understand.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1411063

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The whole story is that LG was a secondary supplier for iPad screens (Samsung was primary). Their manufacturing and QC is atrocious. Sharp is in the process of replacing them both. Apple reacted immediately and voided their contract with LG. For all we know, LG's making the displays for the Prime. Let's see if Asus does anything about it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skygunner27:
Exactly.

I'm in the store at Gamestop picking up my ATP w/dock. I'm currently inspecting it for defects in the store. None so far except VERY VERY poor wifi. 10 feet away from the router with only 2 bars...WTF. No backlight bleeding though. The dock is also free of imperfections. The manager is calling someone corporate to see if they can open the other unit for me to inspect. I got video showing the lag in performance with live wallpaper. I won't be able to up it until I get home....4G sucks here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] overclockxp:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16463841&postcount=9
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CyD13:
Enable live wallpapers on the iPad two and see how choppy it becomes.

Oh, wait.

This is an issue with any unskinned version of Android, even ICS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] di11igaf:
This is meant as no form of disrepect, so don't take it that way, but like you say yourself you stumbled across this site, and probably don't know exactly what this site is about and is capable of. xda-DEVELOPERS. Most people here know when a product is launched, there /may/ be lag, bugs, hiccups(software wise- I realize broken hardware can't be fixed with the best code in the world) at launch. That is where the -developers- part comes into play. Literally some of the best in the world are on this site. This isn't apple, where almost every jailbreak tweak can potentially(and often does) kill performance somewhere in the os. In a few weeks when we have time to start pushing out kernels (and roms/tweaks/whatnot), the performance of the prime will GREATLY increase, and I promise you that. That is something we have over the ipad and iPhone. Bone stock is just about as good of performance you'll EVER get, there's no way for a developer to really optimize that without source, idevices get hacks that usually degrade performance.

Once development gets going in a few weeks this will be like a completely different tablet, and for me and probably mostly everyone else here that is why we choose android over ios.

Tl;dr- 2.0ghz quad core coming soon w/ better battery life?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] monkeyboywa:
i'm curious..and pardon me for maybe missing something...but w/dock? i'm not aware of ANY GS stores having these in. i've called all major stores in one state and a few in another state along with Frys and BB and every single one said they didn't get any...did you mean to say you were picking up your ATP but your Dock would come later? (while i'm typing i'm flipping through the forums to see if i missed posters saying they got their docks in at GS)

Oh, and i'm not giving up on my prime yet..although I have all the GPS issues, most of the Wifi issues a mild screen bleeding (but gently pushing the area seems to settle it down some) and a weird screen issue where it'll just go nuts on its own and i cant choose any buttons or menu's fly out and immediately disappear. I will be testing it out more and going in tomorrow to the store i bought it from and seeing if they have any of their preorders that didn't get picked up and exchange it..or wait until the new ones come in..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
How was wifi fixed? Though there were a few devices that may have had one of the two antennas not working like Anandtech had on their first two units, the third was a retail and reported to have significantly weaker wifi range than the Transformer 1. The all aluminum back is hurting the wifi radio range. Not conjecture, confirmed by Anandtech and users. Even in Gamestop with a router in store the demo is wimpy.

It is just a device, so it is what it is. If some people have no issues- cool, but the device currently has weak wifi and the only apparent fix is for Asus to mod the design with a plastic panel so the wifi works better. This is not a software fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] agtitan:
Honestly I'm probably going to use the prime for 30 days then return it to Amazon and wait for the ipad3. That is if Amazon ever ships my prime...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
This thread developed a lot more than I thought it would.

Anyways, I didn't mean to stir up fighting, I will reiterate that I do think the Prime is the best Android tablet yet and is on another level compared to the first gen. But, personally, it's not quite a fully 2nd gen due to the GPU, screen res, RAM, and other aspects that aren't an improvement compared to first gens. My personal definition of a 2nd gen is that it essentially steps up all the specs as compared to the first gen, and other people will have different definitions so it all varies.

I really just intended this to be a conversation to see who was hyped to get the prime and did, who was hyped to get it but no longer plans to, who was hyped then lost faith then got hyped again and did get it, etc.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
I don't expect it to 'step up' in every regard compared to the first gens.

a lot of the good first gen tablets had a good amount of ram and were well thought out, the most popular in my region were the transformer and iconias (and yeah there were a lot of super **** teg2 tabs too [hi viewsonic])

I am looking at getting a Prime when I am able to, ideally I should wait for the A700 to release but companies like acer take too long to ready their products, so I've chosen the prime becuase it does everything i want it to do.

the Neon instruction in Teg3 (lacking in Teg2) means I can actually watch most of my video that i want on a 64gb micro sdxc card.

and the decision to make it spun metal backplate is one which pushses it into my 'purchasable' list, which the first one failed to achieve.

there are many more things about this tab that make it the best that there currently is but those two main points is what sells it for me.

who can wait half a year to pick and choose their next tablet anyway? I could wait and use my iconia A500 throughout that time, but i'd rather not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
wait, how 's the Tegra 3 with faster RAM isn't an improvement over the Tegra 2 ?

It's insane how the chips came from being the godsend to being the worse thing ever made.

Peoples need to get their expectation on check.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>the Neon instruction in Teg3 (lacking in Teg2) means I can actually watch most of my video

It's actually more an issue of driver support. The Gen8 Archos only had a single-core OMAP 3630 running at 800MHz, and it plays most 720p MKVs with its optimized player (Archos is/was a PMP vendor). The Tegra 2 may have performed better if it had more than just core Android support. But we'll never know since it barely had a 4-month shelf life. [Aside from Xoom, most Teg2 tabs came out in July. Teg2 tabs start hitting the bargain bins in Nov.]

Both the hardware (Teg2) and OS (HC) were interim products. The purpose for interim products is to get you to the next iteration, so not much time would be spent optimizing for them.

>on a 64gb micro sdxc card

Has anyone tested this yet on the Prime, or is this still speculation? No, I don't buy all the crap about how it supports exFAT so it supports SDXC. One has nothing to do with the other. You can format SD(HC) to exFAT, just as you can install FAT32 on SDXC.

>the decision to make it spun metal backplate is one which pushses it into my 'purchasable' list

I'm the opposite. RF issues with metal chassis are well-known, if one recalls the MacBook Pro's wifi problem with its aluminum unibody chassis. The second consideration is ergonomic. Metal skin is more slippery than textured or rubberized skin = more hand pressure to hold it firmly = quicker hand fatigue. Also, metal skin + oily fingers = more oops. And one oops is usually all it takes.

Yes, it's literally a shiny toy, and it looks very nice. I realize looks are important to many. Just not to me.

>who can wait half a year to pick and choose their next tablet anyway?

In 6 months, the buzz will be about Win8 tablets (for year-end). If past schedules hold, it should go RTM by Jul/Aug, in time for vendors to ramp up. My guess--since we still haven't seen any news about the Win8 ARM version--is that x86 tabs will show up this year, and ARM will be for 2013. The chief concern for Win8 x86 tabs will be cost. I think a decent x86 tab will be under $1K, but I doubt Intel & co can get it down to $500.

Hopefully Google will up its pace and there'll be Jelly Belly to go up against Win8 for Fall '12. ICS isn't a big step up from HC. iOS/iPad was never Android's chief competitor for the tab market. It'll be Windows.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
Agreed on the metal back, since it is causing problems for wifi. Acer 500 has the problem too, with same solid metal back design. iPads get away with it since have a window (plastic) for the wifi antennas.

Agreed on the Windows 8 tabs too. If full MAME and Unreal Tournament are supported, this will be my next tab purchase, since Flyer/View and Thrive are doing fine.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
Is this rushmore from ArchosFans? Still have your GTab? I was d00b on there. Got booted by some nanny mod who thinks that "$*#!" is profanity because it's used to hide profanity.

Well, that and when I figured out that Archos makes only craptabs and will never improve.