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[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Here is what I believe many people are missing. The main point of this article when we take the factor of outdated hardware and modified roms out of the picture is that on android you don't get 1:1 response with the touchscreen. If you move your finger exactly 1 inch at exactly 20 feet per second your screen will not move exactly 1 inch and it will not be at exactly 20 feet per second. If you go to any screen (at least any I have tried) and scroll up and down with very fast small movements you will notice that the screen cannot keep up with your finger. This has nothing to do with your phone being too slow to register the movements as quickly as you make them. This is a limitation within android itself. Within iOS or WP7 this doesn't happen or at least not noticeably so. For me in everyday use this doesn't bother me, but I do notice it any time that I pick up an iPhone. I would prefer that my phone responded the way an iPhone does, but I still prefer Android.

I have yet to see a phone or computer of any type with any OS that doesn't lag on occasions. I've used the sgs2 quite a bit and the only time I saw it really lag was when unlocking it too quickly after turning the screen on or when trying to use it right after turning it on before anything is cached. On my current phone the dinc2 this lock screen lag is non existent but the same lag is apparent when trying to use it before the caches are rebuilt after a restart this is surely just some difference between touchwiz and sense. And I have seen the same type of lag on iOS. My point is that this in not the unresponsiveness that this article is really about. The problem that the author is talking about is, as another person described it here, if the screen had a dot precisely where the OS was registering your touch on android you would see the dot chase your finger where on iOS you would not see the dot because it is always beneath your finger.

Does this make the iPhone better? In my opinion, no. To some others yes.

Does it mean your phone is slow if you see this? Not at all.

Does this mean that iOS will ultimately dominate android? Absolutely not! I don't know what will happen with either android or iOS in the future, but if iOS does win the OS war this small detail will not even be a major factor as it is not something that most people will notice even notice unless they using the 2 OS's side by side.

I am completely an android fan and would pick my upper midrange android phone any day over an iPhone 4s but I am not above admitting that android is not perfect. Although, neither is iOS.
[Galaxy S II General] kluzik1:
I have to admit this thread made my morning:)

Never ending battle between Android and iPhone users.

Imho I don't see a point of comparing those two devices because of different approaches and goals. I have been with Android since HTC hero. I did once a mistake and bought iPhone 4 and yes it's very user friendly phone but that's it. Every time you don't like sth you are stuck with what you get. In Android you can always figure out how to change things. For example keyboard in iPhone is very good but what was really annoying me i'm using constantly 3 different languages and sometimes it's really annoying to switch between them and in HTC you have bilingual prediction and on sgs2 you can instal swift x key and you're done. Of course Android lags sometimes but imo it's a problem of multiplatform software. IPhone is one compare to many different iterations of Android devices.

What was the most annoying with iPhone( don't get me wrong I think it's a very good device) but why the h... In the era where standard of the display is 4.3 they still going this 3.5 inch screen. Of course it has a good resolution and everything but for person like me with big hands;) it's just to small.

The other thing is a data speed. No one even mentioned that iPhone is a 3g device compare to sgs 2 which is h+.

Ok I think that's enough.

Peace all the iPhone and Android users ;)

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[Galaxy S II General] valentinrascu:
Android is the best for me.but ios is bether filling with IU. ICS it wel change that..:) sorry for my english..

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[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Personally I would classify the iPhone 4s as 4g since it has hspa+ 14.4 which is the threshold for both t-mobile and AT&T. I think the reason they don't say its 4g is because it has no LTE for Verizon and no WiMAX for Sprint. Just my opinion take it for what you will.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
As ever somebody needs to make a video to disprove hypes and myths propagated by people who probably don't even actually own the devices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_a5ksCh1ZE&feature=youtu.be

Lag?

Oh here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzleT4H6pMY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU-aWoD1Wo4&feature=related

While you personally can qualify it as 4G... The rest of the world qualifies it as 3.5G. The underlying technique is what defines a generation not the achieved speeds.
[Galaxy S II General] androidsjonnie:
Iphone 4(s) is smoother than the sgs2, it runs at a higher framerate and stays there too. WITHOUT A DOUBT.

I wont use the word lag, because some people have a different conception of the definition.
[Galaxy S II General] Kailkti:
There's absolutely no denying that. ios and wp7 are both coded so that it runs consistently at 60fps. Android, well not so much.

$1 gets you a reply
[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
I qualify it as 4g because it is rated for the same speed on the same technology as the majority of the 4g phones in the US. I agree that hspa+ should not really be called 4g as it is not a 4th generation technology, but if other phones are being called 4g that are using the same technology then it is only fair for comparison basis.

I'm not trying to start a 4g debate but according to the last thing I read from the ITU, they are classifying HSPA+ as 4g technology on the grounds that "it substantially improves upon data speeds of previous technology." So the group in charge of classifying 4g are calling it 4g too.
[Galaxy S II General] valentinrascu:
IOS dont lag.my sgs2 yes.browser is not instant and scolling is bad.this is not hardware...is software! Y HAVE BOUTH DEVICES:IPHONE 4 SGS2(syah kernel checkrom)

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[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
change your rom.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
I don't think the ITU has ever said anything like that or maybe you have read something incorrect because HSPA+ is nothing but a itteration of HSDPA which is defined by the 3GPP and ITU as release versions. I'm not sure where the naming comes from, probably from a hardware manufacturers marketing department to avoid confusion with consumers.

The underlying protocol in HDSPA releases are all the same, the only thing they do is either improve the physical layer or use a different/better modulation technique.

The physical difference between HSDPA and HSPA+ is that HSPA+ uses MIMO and Dual-Link radio. The modulation wise HSDPA is stuck at using 16-QAM while HSPA+ van use 16-QAM and 64-QAM.

What is true is that HSPA+ is a hybrid of 3G and 4G technology and that is probably what is confusing you. While HSPA+ does use MIMO and MIMO is actually developed to be used in 4G, the addition of a 4G element into a 3G protocol does not transform that protocol into 4G. The differences are too great to consider HSPA+ a 4G protocol.
[Galaxy S II General] bofh999:
Long thing short - if you love android (and that counts for many other things too) you have to addmit its downsides too

otherwiese -

1. it will less likle to be changed

2. you loose credibility

3. by ignoring the facts while talking about android the system itself loose credibility - like hey he is talking nonsense so what is relaly true about it

fact is (and i hate to say that) the uui of IOS is a lot smoother

fact is many "basic" user see that and dont see the advantages of android but they see that their sms typing is something laggy on android but better on the iphone

even other things are more important users dont understand that - they see the surface and that is ugly - be honest it is

on the upside andoird is gaining even with that UI - apple is not comming with something real new - android is and when they fix those obivisoue things chances are good that apple goes there where it is supposed to be

on a fkn tree

- dont get me wrong iam absolute anti apple because of many many things (restrive regulations almost dictatorship, overpriced overmarketing devices and so on)

and there many arguments against - BUT

somethings they made right or even better

acceptance is first step to get better :)
[Galaxy S II General] biffsmash:
Personally for me, IOS is ugly, slow, difficult to use, messy with icons all over the place, and far too reliant on ITUNES.

Whats the point of smooth transitions and fancy shmancy animations (which to be fair arent any smoother or lag free than sgs2), if its slow and ugly?

Icons and folders all over the place, settings that should be at the touch of a button, buried in settings menus, hundreds of crap gimmick apps that no one needs (stupid app that chops up video and speeds it up with stupid music in the background for idiots to laugh at for 5 minutes??), and lack of something as basic and as integral to phones as smart dialling? How on earth can an iphone not have smart dialling?

Iphone? IOS? pfft! B*tch please :D
[Galaxy S II General] Wingzer:
Do i smell the scent of butthurt fanboy ?
[Galaxy S II General] Freakgs:
Calm down guys

Yes and no, Andrew Munn was right in many points but also made mistakes.

https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS

Read his edits #1 and #2, where he explicitely admits that he made mistakes.

Then again, kudos to him for editing his own post.

The main problem here are all the trolls, who love to bash Android, iOS, Windows Phone, etc... and will just read the parts that support them in their claims, even if they're been proven wrong.
[Galaxy S II General] Visentinel:
Stock Rom and kernel made my new sgs2 lag a fair bit. I have omega Rom with siyah kernel now and it is allot better.

My wife has a HTC Mozart and side by side we can count more micro stutters in the GS2 even on omega Rom, despite the Mozart vastly outclassed by the gs2 hardware, however! My gs2 is running over 50 processes and her Mozart would be lucky to have more than 2 background tasks running.

I also run my gs2 at 1.4ghz which eliminates allot of the stutters and lags.

Now, why this is the new hot topic to bash Android is a mystery, or is it that Apple has been paying these people to spread these articles? I would not put it passed Apple these days.

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[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Here is the article I was thinking of. It is also the latest statement from the ITU I could find.

"It is recognized that [4G], while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

Here is the link to the full article.

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=7162

I understand what you are saying, that hspa+ is not a 4th generation of technology. However it does fit the ITU's definition of 4g as it is an "evolved 3G technology providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities."

Sorry everyone for the off topic debate.

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[Galaxy S II General] wurzelsepp3:
I own an Galaxy S2 and an Ipad 2.

Lag:

I have to say I face more lags on the Ipad2 that I do on the GS2.

(for me lag is when you interact with the device gets stuck (skips animation or something))

Smoothness:

When it comes to smoothness of the UI and while scrolling the Ipad 2 is without a doubt superior, the Galaxy S2 is mostly smooth but occasionally stutters (especially when using a 3rd party launcher).

Speed:

In my experience the GS2 is noticeably faster (app start times, browser)
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
That article is dated Dec 8 2010. It says what I said, elements of 4G have found their way into 3G (HSPA+) more specifically MIMO is combined with HSDPA, it does not say HSPA+ is considered 4G. But fact stil remains that HSDPA is not LTe and it will never be. This is because of this simple fact, LTe might theoretically be faster but in practice it will achieve the same speeds as HSDPA. But that is not what LTe's aim is, LTe aims to solve several problems (really serious issues) which have arisen over time. HSDPA was a good idea when there weren't so many smartphones, infact the whole protocol was designed for use with mobile modems and not smartphones. Because of a lack of a better standard it has found it's way into smartphones and has been used in a much greater scale then it was intended to. Network problems have arisen because of the mass of HSDPA devices out there and because of the Dual-Link nature of HSPA+ those problems just got multiplied. LTe is here to solve those problems, it aims to be much more efficient with the available spectrum and your smartphones battery. That is what 4G is all about, don't expect any higher speeds anytime soon but you can expect a better service and better standby times.
[Galaxy S II General] mattyboyo:
All I seem to have leared in 9 paeges is that android sometimes isn't completely smooth because it tries to do everything at once so rendering a webpage for example isn't stopped to allow the browser to scroll so it sometimes can get a little jerky, where as ios will stop doing anything useful make sure it all stays pretty.

Plus all the pretty transitions in ios just hide the loading times, but if you turn them off in android you sometimes get a pause while the phone loads a new application.

Plus android gives you a choice to loose the pretty transitions and ios doesn't.
[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Not sure where I said that LTE and hspa+ were the same.... The quotation from the ITU in the article not only states that LTE and WiMAX are 4g, BUT ALSO ENHANCED 3G TECHNOLOGIES THAT IMPROVE UPON THE PERFORMANCE. If the last part of that doesn't describe hspa+ then I don't know what does. I realize that the article is dated a year ago but it is still the most recent statement that I have been able to find.

Let's move this discussion to pm so that we can stop hijacking this thread.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Yeah, like I said, your article is dated 2010. Since then HSPA+ has been defined ad 3.5G.
[Galaxy S II General] valentinrascu:
The stock is not bether...

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[Galaxy S II General] happily1986:
Agreed. The gold standard for lag free UI transitions is 60fps, nothing more (As capped by VSync) and nothing less. So if one really wants to measure lag, he or she would need a fps counter to counter all those subjective nonsense.
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
You are actually talking about smoothness of animations here.
[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Cool story bro. Links? Quotes?
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
Yes and no. In a technical sense, you are absolutely correct. However, since he's likely talking about fluidity of touch response, he's probably talking about what most people refer to as "UI lag." Not everyone is as tech savy as your or me. UI lag seems to be the common description for this issue.

In that sense, he's correct in that the SGS2 was the smoothest current Android Phone (Galaxy Nexus is now similar or slightly better), but it's still not quite as consistent as my wife's IP4S.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
How do you people come up with these golden numbers? Why 60? The only thing that would allow you todo is see more detail in a moving animation, it doesn't improve your perception of smoothness. 18FPS would be enough todo that as long as you're willing to drop detail in your animation.

True story bro. But since you started the conversation it would be nicer if you would first provide a link to something official which says HSPA+ is 4G.
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html

So basically...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
I provided a link to the most recent direct quote from the ITU that I know of. I don't know what more evidence you want from me.
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
Just helping you out here. Here's a link where the ITU states that HSPA+ is considered 4G.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-says-LTE-WiMax-and-HSPA--are-now-officially-4G_id15435
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Uuuum, you are just too dumb for words... Read the Naim Sutherland quote on that page and compare it with what I said.

Here's the origininal:

http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

cstone, your link is a derivative of the original above and says nothing in the lines that the ITU has decided HSPA+ is 4G.

jaykresge, your link is just a misquote, look at the original I can't detect anything along the lines.

But since BOTH of you are too lazy to click through to the source of an article and read what actually was said, i'll quote it for you.

Now how can an article on Phonescoop or Phone Arena claim that the ITU has decided HSPA+ is 4G when the ITU themselves say that it MIGHT apply but they're not sure and they will decide when the ITU-R report is released in early 2012?

It's called reading people, do it! Specially you jaykresge, you managed to embarrass yourself twice on the same page and it could've been avoided if you would just simply read what is actually written.
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
You know what? I agree. I was once told to never argue with an idiot, as they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Bravo, my friend, you've proven this person right :)

Take care bud. I won't be pointing out facts to you anymore. Continue plugging your ears and shouting "la la la I can't hear you," so long as it makes you feel better.
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Oh here come the "I've been driven into a corner, don't have anything else to say so I'll rain the insults" posts.

I'm happy to prove your "friend" right by proving you are an idiot, happy to oblige.

If you want to teach me something then don't link to articles which basically reaffirm what I said, buddy.
[Galaxy S II General] LocutusEstBorg:
I own a 3rd Gen iPod, iPhone 4 and SGS2.

The (non-jailbroken) 3GS is smoother than the SGS2; PERIOD. The SGS2 is much faster; i.e. everything loads/opens instantly but it still stutters during any major operation. It's no where as bad as the lag fests that the Nexus One/S are, but it still ever so slightly lags compared to a 2 year old iPhone.

However the SGS2 is much less annoying to use than a jailbroken iPhone 4. The moment I installed a small amount of apps from Cydia, the iPhone 4 becomes a very annoying unresponsive piece of crap. It freezes while opening the task switcher, pressing the home button, starting the camera, scrolling the settings app and it completely locks up for several seconds if you press the home button while playing a graphics intensive game. But once it's finished "loading" whatever you opened, on that particular screen it's still much smoother than the SGS2. The SGS2 however will instantly respond to any user input under any circumstances while the iPhone 4 will lock up.

---------- Post added at 06:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:26 PM ----------

Sorry, I find 60 FPS to be laggy and jittery. I use a 120Hz 3D monitor everyday and I now when ever I use another computer I can literally see the mouse pointer jumping between frames and can feel high input lag while dragging things on the desktop. It goes to show it's all subjective and most people have inferior senses of sight, hearing and touch. I know my senses are vastly superior to the average person.
[Galaxy S II General] cstone1991:
Cool. Thats essentially the same thing I posted... Now can you explain how hspa+ is not an evolved form of a 3g technology that provides a substantial increase in performance over previous 3g technologies.

You seem to be the one that is driven into the corner with desperate posts hoping to now save face.

As I have asked before. Can we please move this discussion to pm so we can stop hijacking this thread?
[Galaxy S II General] GIR:
Okay since you seem to be suffering from memory loss, lets reiterate what was said.

You said: HSPA+ = 4G because it offers better speeds.

I said: While it does incorporate 4G elements and offers better speeds, it is not defined as 4G

You said: ITU defined it as 4G, so it's 4G

I said: No ITU did not do such a thing. Your article is just a misquote.

So to get back to the start of this conversation. Why was HSPA+ 4G?
[Galaxy S II General] Visentinel:
Thanks for this, I laughed for nearly 10 minutes after reading that.

I needed a Good laugh. :)

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[Galaxy S II General] RogerPodacter:
60 fps is the target frame rate for all android UI elements as they state all over the android developer website. This is Google's official target and they have said this many times. So that is where 60 fps comes from. Not to mention 60 fps is what apple and windows phone go for as well.
[Galaxy S II General] blueseeker:
Me too I notice low fps in games and stuff, where some friend says to me that his game runs great on his computer even if he has only 30fps top.

But SERIOUSLY ! 60fps - laggy and jittery ? Are you some kind of superman ?

And by the way, why do you think that your 3D monitor - when in 3D - runs on 120Hz ?
[Galaxy S II General] LocutusEstBorg:
No; I bought a 3D monitor just for the 120Hz in 2D. The difference in fluidity and input lag is astounding compared to a 60Hz monitor.

However you can easily "downgrade" and adapt to 60Hz within a matter of hours. It's not as dramatic as dropping from 60 to a lower framerate.
[Galaxy S II General] yyz71:
UGH!!!!!!:rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] PhillyCheez:
This thread is dated now.
[Galaxy S II General] reinbeau:
Thread closed

No need to drag this dated thread back up.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michel9501:
I use Rahul's Jetpack 8.1 ROM and its AMAZING ! the best !

but one problem i have , is that i can't download anything from the browser , not files,not zips,not pictures,

i always get 'download unsuccessful'

is that a known issue? will using a 3rd party browser from the market will solve it ? :confused:

thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mean_ST:
try using Firefox or opera
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michel9501:
Can I install the ICS browser on a gingerbread ROM ? if yes , where can i get it ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lovedonator:
Try using Dolphin Browser HD.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michel9501:
Ok but is it possible to install ICS browser on 2.3.6 curtom rom ?