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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Skmcheung:
[Rant alert] Down with planned obsolescence

I hated it when they announced Windows 7 starter edition would be locking down the wallpaper, of all things. And then when Apple decided to hamper it's iPad by holding back new iOs features (thankfully, later enabled by the dev community), I was aghast as my friend's were caught hook line and sinker; upgrading just to overcome the artificial 'lack of features'.

These didn't affect me (since I abhor all things from big fruit company and I only use full featured windows...) but I saw the trend and it disturbed me.

I think that, like these companies, Samsung is shortsighted. They don't seem to value, or understand how to inspire, brand loyalty with good customer service.

What they're afraid to lose in (forced) phone upgrades they would have gained much more from 'word of mouth' publicity; being one of the rare android manufacturers that goes the extra mile - the sort of positive buzz that you can't buy. And who's to say the next upgrade would be to a Samsung phone anyway, I currently have my eye on a particular transforming ASUS tablet instead... (unless a windows 8 equivalent with full wacom credentials strikes first)

Having said that, by denying us the latest firmware (spouting the ridiculous assertion that this phone 'can't handle' ICS) they finally pushed me to rooting my phone and discovering the wonderful world of custom roms. One bricking, many bootloops and great experiences later I don't regret it one bit!

Thanks to all the devs here on XDA that enabled the Ice Cream Sandwich flavoured dream lol!

(and nuts to samsung)

Apologies for the rant, but it was in the spirit of the topic title :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] euchye:
after trying out the ics ports, i'm really looking forward to S3. I don't really want ics on my S1, and i haven't tried ics on S2 since I don't have it. But from the ics ports so far, things look very promising!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mamkarah:
to sell its new models, Samsung has let us down, too bad. ICS works fine on my SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alikee:
No, the phone do have 512mb ram, and it is using all of that 512mb. The os is reserving some of it for it self, while the rest can be used by apps etc.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] hussam91:
Makes me wish

I wish i had got HTC desire HD instead, at least it's getting official ICS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
I doubt that. Because when you use official samsung roms you have only 100-120MB free out of 340. I hate when i exit the game and launcher and everything else was closed because of low free ram. If it really has 172MB of ram reserved for "dont know what" it would be great if i could use them.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] egisz:
I switched 1 year ago from official crappy Samsung ROM to CM7 and don't miss it at all. Take a look at Dark night 3 ROM, and you'll understand what I mean :D :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MrAndroid12:
128MB is reserved for the graphics unit. It is needed by the GPU inorder to function properly.

When 356MB of system ram is available, I have noticed the 720p decoding with GPU doesn't work, and some games that ran smoothly on stock kernel w/329MB ram now lags heavily.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] 120891:
well when i hear this for the first time, i became sad and angry

but now i'm glad because developer team from xda made ics based custom rom ^^
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BzArEx:
I really don't get it how Google can allow do such silly thing they create new and polished Android 4.0 with new much newer SDK and what? Manufactures like Samsung stay on 2.3 and creating new smartphones with 2.3 without any chances getting ICS. Fragmentation is mistake especially when those little fragments of Android OS family are newer and beater versions.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] yevg85:
i got sgs 16g and i see only 13.5. why?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
Use google, that's basic question.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BoBoGrEy:
Well...same as me!

But honestly we have so much great developers here in xda and other forums...and we already have some pretty good ICS ROM's...I don't think we need Samsung official!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] deepstate:
imho official samsung ics for sgs wouldn't be less buggy than the ports. look sammy gb versions.. they invite us to flash custom roms
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Padillla:
C'mon man, you dont have to be a **** to explain your point.

We get it, it's an old phone. more than 18 months with new monsters around it.

But we can also say the nexus S is an old phone by looking at the specs. But is a Samsung phone, with the EXACT same specs and is rocking ICS atm.

They are abandoning the phone that gave Samsung a serious name in the smartphone arena. For a non valid reason, their crapware.

Give a valid point man, not just a bunch of hate from nowhere.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bhu1:
20+ million units of desire s wasn't sold, it was galaxy s which was sold more than 20 million times.

And customer service does not only comprises of upgrading devices to latest firmware.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jasonhunterx:
Iphone 4 is slower than sgs an runs wayy better so it has to be that it is the optimization google needs to step it up!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dhiru1602:
Blaming Samsung would be apt because they failed on Touchwiz when it comes to performance. Google has nothing to do with it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
can somebody make a petition for S+ i9001?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DeadSOL:
Well, since Samsung are thinking about the Galaxy S, I'd say kudos to them! If they can actually give us ICS, then they should go down in history as the company that actually cared!!!!

I love Sammy products but the apathy that we've recently received from them for a flagship model, that is still selling like hotcakes, is disappointing!

Samsung, I hope that you can turn it around. Your loyal customers will increase a thousandfold!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] spamtrash:
To all guys crying that they want Icecream Sandwich, and mum doesn't want to buy them one... eee... and Samsung doesn't want to give them one:

I'm 100% with you, boys, and I would like to ask you for some support:

the matter is that I have not very old (anyway: younger than me) computer: commodore 64. And bXXXXXdy microsoft doesn;t want to give me the patch to install Windows 7, 64bit on it:mad::mad:

Could you please set up petition and support me with my crusade? :D:D:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zetalai:
In fact, Galaxy S was released with Eclair at the very beginning

I got my GS in 2.1 and 2.2 and 2.2.1 and 2.3.3 and 2.3.5 and now i'm on 2.3.6

Never saw a android phone going through so many android versions

Galaxy S FTW
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
actually only 2.1->2.2->2.3 are version updates. and it's not important how many updates it got, if the hardware can take another update then it's logical to get it. if iphone 3GS gets iOS 5 , then u do the math ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] syamsoul:
You can try install the trial version of windows 7 first. And if w7 can run on your computer, then u can buy the license.

Everyone know, SGS1 can run ICS. but unlike w7, u cant just buy the license and install....

and Microsoft just provide the software and let say acer is manufacturer for my laptop. And in this case, Google provide the android and Samsung is the manufacturer of my SGS1. if u really want to compare with computer, then Samsung just have to release drivers for their phone ; like Acer did.

Thanks to OneCosmic and teamhacksung, they prooved that SGS1 can run ICS.

If a freelance developers can make ICS run in just several weeks...why Samsung engineers can't and say SGS 1 is not capable.

We just want to be heard. The decision is up to Samsung.

If they can't hear their customers voices... why i should consider to buy their product anymore...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Funnnny:
yeah, my iPhone4 handle ICS better than the SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nCoder:
10k signatures already!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] smokeweedevery:
maybe there will be a official ics anyway:)

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-re-examining-Galaxy-S-Galaxy-Tab-ICS-updates-after-all-the-outrage_id25121
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Torlo:
Samsung Galaxy S, Galaxy Tab now said to possibly get 'Value Pack' instead of Ice Cream Sandwich
[Galaxy S I9000 General] marvinloess:
too bad.. they give us a Value Pack instead of ICS :(

get rid the Touchwiz, and we're able to run ICS..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
yup: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_to_get_a_value_pack_update_instead_of_ics-news-3583.php
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
BIIIIG mistake if they don't bring ICS... WTF is value pack!? New aplications will be developed for ICS and most people will be stuck to Gingerbread with their 1.5 year old flaghship device!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Torlo:
I will never buy Samsung touch**** phone again . That is a shame!

For android users the best phone is nexus
[Galaxy S I9000 General] juno14:
they blame the amount of ram. i think HORRIBLE SUPPORT should take all the blame here. based on samsung's reason, then galaxy s plus, galaxy w, and galaxy Y will never see an update after their release half a year ago. all these devices have 512mb or less

how could SONY ERICSSON their low-end phones updated to ics while sgs wont. they are better then sgs spec-wise then? NOT!

and yet samsung plans to rival nokia in sales in 2012. HAH! HILARIOUS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Aleebaan:
Really? You think that this will make many people never buy anything from samsung again? Well let's think about LG 2X. It got Gingerbread a month ago. It was released half a year after SGS. If you're gonna leave Sammy for this you're just immature imo. Just wait and see, they will release ICS. Instead of just complaining, do something instead. Spam samsung to release the drivers atleast. And sign for the petition.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] arielgalula:
The camera

The only thing i think is not as good in the port is the camera. i hope Samsung will release the code...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Torlo:
Use camera 360 app. The camera is much more cleaner with this app
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ipepio:
The new ROM of Elitemovil is better than stock rom and it is dased on ICS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alvararo:
It`s part about the android way. The system is made to flash, and I think that´s a good idea, because now we can use ICS despite samsung and google bad update policy
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kmmi:
:d :d :d:d

:) :):) :):)

---------- Post added at 09:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:44 PM ----------

roms here are wonderful....we don't need samsung.........
[Galaxy S I9000 General] clapton86:
which ICS ROM has the best battery life?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rivalbro:
I think Slim ICS has the best battery since I tried all of them. With heavy use I think it gave me 7 hours.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chudek:
When i hear that I was very angry becasue Nexus S and Woow! DHD will take ICS.. when samsung give us JW4 (valule pack) i think i dont wanna ICS... GB is very good.. but now when i have 364Mb ram i think is very possible to give us ICS with tw4... nice joke for samsung
[Galaxy S I9000 General] phemark:
Hi,

which version of ICS rom is the most stable/bug free, o i can update today?

thanks

P.S. is it CM9 nightly, or ICSSGS 4.2 or something else?

thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pxrave:
use cm9 or slim ics
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Retoxic:
Dark Knight 3
[Galaxy S I9000 General] exo2k4:
icssgs 4.2 is running very stable and therefore, in my opinion, more than just a rc. yesterday i updated the kernel to DerTeufel's Devil2_0.62 and now my phone is running even smoother and faster :) unfortunately the video playback (all videos in gallery, youtube...) stopped working, so i'll have to wait for a fix or flash an older kernel.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ravebot:
I've tried several ICS roms but none of them work 100%. After several hours of use with each one, I kept getting various errors like: stuck on dialing (slim ics 3.1), gps not working, toggles not working. For the moment I'm back on GB but I'm waiting for a really stable ICS. I'm gonna sign the petition. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Dark Knight is pretty rock solid, but I do miss Samsung's apps (like notes, office ) and features in the camera, like night mode and things like that...

Might end up returning to the 2.3.6 after a while :|
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Sten1234:
Its all about money

I think there not updating SGS to ICS because they want us to all go out and buy new phones, if they update all the oldest phones to ICS then all people with SGS (and other similar devices) would all stick with the same phone as there would be no reason to buy a new one, so its a way to make customers buying there latest devices
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Stovemeister:
Realistically speaking what can Samsung do that the devs here haven't already managed?

I'm running WeUI 0.9 quite happily at present (MIUI 4) and while there is the odd bumpy bit, it runs great. Better than Eclair ever did when I got the phone. or Froyo.

Samsung don't have any magical ability to make completely non-buggy ROMs, so I'd say the only real advantage in a stock Sammy ICS ROM would be for the sake of variety :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] palera:
The devs need the drivers from Samsung to get things funtioning properly (like FM radio, video recording and playback, etc) and better (without the "odd bumpy bits" you say...) because devs need "a base" to develop and improve things
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wondering201a:
Best ICS

Slim 3.2 seems pretty good. I have tried a lot of the ICS's available and this seems best as it's smooth and fairly fast. I am not sure about battery life yet. All else seems OK and I don't think you would regret giving it a try as it's so easy to go back if you want (remember to do nandroid backup etc before.)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] marcel2005:
I think you use the bigmem version??

there already is a fix, that works for meee:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1575485

have you tried this??
[Galaxy S I9000 General] -Tiz-:
Is there any stable ICS ROM that support device encryption? I tried Elite v9.1 but it did not work. Thank you!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jvasquez79:
Tengo icssgs 4.2 y el kernel Semaphore 1.0.0sbm y anda muy bien, se notó el cambio cuando instalé semaphore.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AwfooL:
Totally agree, Slim ICS is the best ICS rom ever flashed on my SGS in terms of speed and performance, battery life is fine too with all background data activated and auto brightness enabled, the only things I miss are native ICS voice dictation and face effects on camera.

Dunno if they will ever be implemented but really hope so, otherwise there's ICSSGS RC5 incoming sooner or later :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxis1981:
Did you try out ICSSGS RC 4.2 ? It runs very stable on my phone. Good for daily use. Didn't encounter any FC bugs so far. Btw, I'm using Semaphore 1.0.0 normal version. Great performance and stability with this combinations. Able to run the ported TW4 ics launcher, samsung apps, samsung clock and samsung weather widget without any errors so far. :D:D:D:D

Samsung stated SGS can't runs ICS because of TW is a BS to me :D:D:D (or maybe their samsung developer need to send for industrial training as trainees for XDA forum developers).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] shaharofir:
Using Elite Rom(Current v10), flawless so far. Faster than any other rom I've tried.

(Actually, Slim is also a great rom...)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mdaskal:
i have test multiple version of ics and i have found that all have problems with call confirm programs. does anyone experienced on this?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SOS38:
Samsung made Googles phone based on the SGS. I still can't understand why it can't be installed?..

Or does this mean Samsung places to much crap on their phones and Google didn't when they had the Nexus?.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fzn:
ya well no ics for sgs i9000 sucks ... would have been great if samsung released it .. Sony Ericson is updating their whole line up .. but we have custom roms:cool:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] viscy:
seriously.. who needs an official rom when you've got way better custom roms available? the offical rom is never going to match the speediness or tweak-ability of custom roms
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drraptor:
There is no thread on the list of ICS roms ava for Galaxy S in development section. Mods please make a list.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sammyservices:
All custom roms naturally have issues at this stage, some less some more. But gb rom takes the cake ( still ) on stock camera (sgs ) which have tons of modes but alas the zoom is old fashioned and not like in the ICS which has a slider. Then further, the contact photos are maybe small ( not like MIUI unfortunately ) but nevertheless, clear which u cannot say about ICS. And in terms of customization MIUI is the best there is. You customize dialler, boot animation, boot animation sound ( wow ! ) flip to silence like in HTC , long press on apps to close, etc,etc,etc. The list goes on . Too bad they do not have TV OUT which I need cause of my kids. But what I mean to say is so far besides the speed , ICS still does not have features one expects from such a heavily advertised firmware from Google. Cause if at this stage After the release of the Official ICS in Nexus, Gingerbread and MIUI is still better then maybe we are awaiting Close Encounters of the Fourth Kind as far as ICS is concerned. And Apple IOS will still keep ahead in app stability and features.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dsfibins:
update politic

i think the update politics of the manufacturer is old style. everyone want to be special - touchwiz or sense or other specials - they want argument why you have to buy this kind of android phone

thats the reason why i will buy only google (nexus-s or something similar) in future - couse the get updates near the release and android pur and manufactured by samsung

i dont understand why HTC or Samsung want get 2 Updates - one pur android - one with the specials (a few months later) so everybody is lucky...

i have installed Dark Night 4.0.4 and it works very stable..

i just have problems with a few apps like "öffis" - i cant download it - the reasen is: my phone is not supportet. But on a Nexus S it works perfect. The Developer of the App has said that i have to install a rom with google Maps Library...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drraptor:
aren't nexus s and galaxy s have similar spec
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TiTajm:
yes they do, but who cares for crappy Touchwiz. Even with value pack it looks awful.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rekatluos:
even if there was a SGS ICS official rom ,people would still root their phones for tweaks and other modding .

@dsfibins - did you try to flash DK4 OVER dk3 ? that got rid of lots of bugs for me .
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dsfibins:
nope

i switched from CM7 to DK4

and the rom is very stable. in 2 days there was one reboot with looping on the restart. and a second program dont want to download with the reason: this program does not work on your phone...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] olszan:
fortunately we do have a number of talented devs here on xda who can get ICS working on SGS :) you may complain that these are not perfect... I say it's not true - I use ICS on daily basis and works great for me, no issues at all!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ravebot:
I'm using cm9 nightly and Devil kernel and it works good. I have some problems with some games (HAWX crashes during play) but is a good and stable ROM. No problems with phone, wifi, camera etc.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
No they don't, one have 512 Mb (SGS) and other 640Mb (N-S) physical memory but advertised as 512.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Loquitur:
Very disappointed for samsung. Gonna go for nexus family or htc on next device.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
Interesting. What's the usable ram on the Nexus S? I'm guessing it's probably more than even the 399mb that we have on semaphore, which explains why ICS works so much smoother on the Nexus S.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] searius:
I dont think so.

Nexus S have only ~340mb available +160mb for GPU
[Galaxy S I9000 General] luftys:
Never mind, i use ics elite and its beyond my expectations.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Mirceabadea:
Also HTC One V got almost the same hardware as us, maybe even lower, and they receive ICS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
That's because One V is marketed as a low-end/mid-range phone, so it's not expected to perform well anyway.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] brenton70:
the only reason why samsung won't put ICS on the i9000 is so users upgrade

if you want ICS put on a custom rom and enjoy
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Adoxo:
I don't really care. Just got cm9 nigthly on sgs and it's awesome. My dad's sgs 2 has ics and according to him, it's buggy.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] traju:
I don't really bother about that. I always use custom roms. Maybe they have more bugs but are way more smooth. Ok, if Samsung would make official release of ICS for SGS it would be less buggy and custom roms could be better than now. But when I flashed ICS custom roms I was really surprised how good they are.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] keizero:
Yeah, that sucks. Not too surprise though, cos it IS Samsung :D

But really, as long as there is support from community like this (hail devs!!), our i9000 will live on :cool:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rekatluos:
Indeed ,xda is the reason most of us dont get bored of our SGS ! I for instance get bored every now and then and i start switching roms instead of switching phones :D .
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iajanus:
I love my SGS, and xda has been great in stopping me from jumping immediately to buying a new phone. Putting WEUI on it has made it lightning fast and the features of MIUI/ICS are awesome. This place is great for getting the most out of devices.

Although to hell with Samsung, their support for their devices is non-existant. If I were still on carrier updates I would have only just got 2.3. :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Uselessjunk:
I think Samsung wants to force us to by their new phones by holding back the ICS update. They make profit by selling phones and not by supporting them
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Helox:
i9000 + asnet MIUI ICS 4.0.4 = new phone :D

Really love the MIUI stuff, gonna install it on my SGS2 when its fixed :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tasartir:
The lack of support from Samsung it's very annoying. Asus does a much better job in this department.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S, a Samsung Galaxy S Plus and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1v. From this 3 devices I only received one official update... it's frustrating
[Galaxy S I9000 General] el_navajita:
You have a lot of Gingerbread stuff :-) Really really annoying. We deserve ICS!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dontstalkme:
No ICS update saddens me cuz Galaxy S, as an ex-flagship phone, cannot be upgraded to ICS thanks to TouchWiz. Samsung should really slim the TouchWiz, TouchWiz is really a ram-eating monster.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] quokka1979:
Tiramisu

xda, keeps the i9000 alife.

Just flashed Tiramisu yesterday and It's great. Wife is happy, and my I9100 hope that there will be something like that since it is the best I found
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nCoder:
Interesting post from the technical lead on the Android Open Source Project

Jean-Baptiste Queru, technical lead on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), has revealed his opinion on the current state of the project and the lengthy waits users face for updates:

Jean-Baptiste Queru Yesterday 5:42 PM (edited)+15

"Nexus S is still a great phone today. It actually gives me good hope that the insane pace of hardware updates will slow down a bit: Nexus S hardware is soon gonna be 2 years old (it's essentially the same as Galaxy S) and can still comfortably run the latest OS.

There's no fundamental need any more to buy the latest and greatest hardware every 6 months to get the latest OS, you just need a device that receives updates.﻿"

https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MystereT:
Go to CM9 !

Dears

CM9 is there, don't worry about ICS, you have it now :D

SGS forever !
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chopin00:
No ICS for SGS... Because Samsung concentrated engineers to battle with apple.

SGS 3 VS iphone 5.