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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] g0t0:
Hardware is usually ahead of software in all electronics. Everyone complained that getting a quad core comp was useless because Windows didn't use it or use it properly and there werent any programs that took advantage of it.

For me, gps isnt working. A few times it locked up when itook it out of sleep and had to restart it. I still love it and plan to either get a replacement or a refund to buy one somewhere else, but i will still have a prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
this is true in a sense. although we show the same memory as OG transformer, the speed of it has been increased greatly in the prime. so memory in tegra3 is better and faster than tegra2. now whether HC or ICS has been optimized for that, I'm not sure of. plus same developers n engineers also said apps n games don't necessarily have to be optimized for Tegra3. they will benefit from the quad/penta core regardless. games and apps run alot faster n show basically no lag, whether optimized for Tegra3 or not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] erniev:
Ive tried all of the live wallpapers and i too can confirm, no lag in the ui whatsoever. At least compared to my ex-xoom.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
Short answer is...yes, we have higher bandwidth than T2.

Longer answer is....Tegra 3 memory controller supports significantly faster RAM speeds than T2, however, it is still on a single 32-bit channel whereas everyone else is running dual-channel. This hurts the overall bandwidth available to the CPU and more importantly, the GPU (gets starved).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cordell507:
i had terrible lag for the first couple hours and now its smoother than butter
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] andyxover:
your tablet might hve been syncing with your account, i had some lg during that process too, but smooth as butter us definitely true.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] opentoe:
So why the hell did I just spend $553 for a new tablet? And here I thought this would be a good Apple ipad2 challenger. I guess Apple really does make a damn good tablet. Maybe I'll sell my over priced Prime and wait for the ipad 3.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
That post is one of the biggest reasons I decided not to get a Transformer Prime.

The first time I read it, I really tried to downplay what that person was saying because I was so hyped for the Prime. I eventually recognized its truth, and now I understand how important the GPU is for UI smoothness and performance in general, and since the Prime has a poor GPU, I've decided to hold off on a tablet purchase.

The comments about ICS not being the second coming are also true. I have a HTC Sensation, and even for us, so far ICS hasn't really done anything to make the UI smoother. Granted, we only have extremely early builds that are hackjobs, and they also have Sense thrown on top which is a memory hog and far from the smoothest UI, but still. I know now not to make lofty claims about what ICS will do.

Though I don't have a Prime, it seems like from feedback that it's probably the smoothest Android tablet yet (in terms of the UI), despite the fact that it still has some lag here and there. For me, that just gets me excited for what will come out in 2012. My ultimate Android tablet has a dual core A15 CPU (dual core A15s coming out in 2012 might be faster than quad core A9 like Tegra 3), a MUCH better GPU than what the Prime has (even better than the iPad 2's), 2 GB of fast RAM, 2560 x 1600 resolution, and some other true 2nd gen specs. I'm confident the Android tablets running ICS that will come out in 2012 will be the first Android tabs that are nearly lagless, and I'm willing to wait.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mobilebuddha:
For those of you that are not experiencing lags.. Do you guys use Pulse News at all? It's one of my main readers and I just compared it with one of my buddies xoom (sold mine a while ago) -> unfortunately the ATP is lagging where the original xoom isn't!

anyone else experiencing this??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flight777:
Did you read that article? Especially about the Galaxy S2 VS Nexus part? If a tablet has a higher resolution, thus a higher amount of pixels (about 4.7x higher in your case vs. the TP), the GPU/CPU core needs to be clocked 4.7x higher as well to get the same rendering speeds. I don't see this happen in 2012, even 1920*1080 display tablets will probably be slower than the TP. So I think our best bet is still the TP for 2012 in terms of speed for Android if all the other manufacturers come up with higher resolutions.

Quote from the article:

Wow this has generated a lot more discussion, and I won't be able to address nearly everything that has been raised. But I'll try to expand on things a bit here to better address what I think are some of the more interesting points.

Some have raised points along the lines of Samsung Galaxy S2 phones already having a smoother UI and indicating that they are doing something different vs. the Galaxy Nexus. When comparing individual devices though you really need to look at all of the factors. For example, the S2's screen is 480x800 vs. the Galaxy Nexus at 720x1280. If the Nexus S could already do 60fps for simple UIs on its 480x800, the CPU in the S2's is even better off.

The real important difference between these two screens is just that the Galaxy Nexus has 2.4x as many pixels that need to be drawn as the S2. This means that to achieve the same efficiency at drawing the screen, you need a CPU that can run a single core at 2.4x the speed (and rendering a UI for a single app is essentially not parallelizable, so multiple cores isn't going to save you).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] LeCramp:
I'm not really sure you've factored in all the stuff mentioned in the link in the original post here.

First of all, the Tegra 3 GPU isn't slow. People continue saying that it performs worse thn the iPad 2 GPU. But the ATP has over 30% more pixels to process than the iPad 2 at only 1024x768. Further more, it can do more in terms of effects. So what it display should be better if the applications supports it.

That said, if you expect a tablet this year that does 2560x1600, and does it faster and smoother than the ATP, I'm worried that you will be very dissapointed. You're talking over 3 times more pixels. Alot better memory bus and speeds. And the CPU/GPU to handle this. If you can link me to any spec of any announced processor that can do this, and will be out in 2012, I'd very much like to see it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CyberChulo:
Yes I have the same issue. I have the galaxy tab 7 + and that is butter smooth when using pulse.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
very interesting article. it actually only proves what alot have said from before. these new tablets coming out will be significantly slower than Prime/tegra3. reason, their bump up in specs isn't proportionate to the bump in higher resolution. meaning no upcoming chipsets/tablets have their CPU and gpu power increased enough to properly push higher Res. displays and be faster overall than the prime/tegra3. the screen resolution and power of tegra3 is more like a sweet spot reached. The new upcoming devices are gonna be overkill on resolution and will hurt/hinder the CPU/gpu performance overall. it will be to busy struggling to push the display at a decent frame rate. thanks for article, now I have facts to back up a good claim..lol. plus this article didn't mention prime or tegra3. it more so made comparisons with tegra2. ;) like article said, its more of the software side of things effecting things. Android still has more maturing to do. they will eventually get it. overall ICS will still be better/more optimized than HC.:p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
i agree, if my desktop computer is going to have issues running games at higher resolutions than 1920x1080, there's no mobile SOC that's going to fly that those crazy resolutions.

also, i've been using the liquid battery LWP (the one with the orca) since i bought my prime and the only time the homescreens and UI in general lag is when something is syncing in the background. compared to any of my tegra2 tablets this thing does in fact fly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nekromantik:
I think the only tab that will be smoother then the Prime will be new Sammy tab as Samsungs GPUs have always been the best out there. Granted it will have to push more pixels but I think in terms of UI it will be smoother then Prime and any other Android tab.

This is the ONLY thing I like about iOS, that you dont need powerful hardware to make it a smooth experience without lag.

On the downside the Sammy tab will cost more then Prime + dock I suspect as thier tablets are always more plus the fact high res screens for tablets are gonna add to the cost. So your looking at £599 I suspect for 32GB model.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
I used to play in lower resolutions than my screen on PC - maybe tablets should allow it too. On 1920x1080 tablet a game in 960x540 but in full detail could look quite good.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jptech:
ICS isn't the second coming of christ, CM9 is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skinien:
Amen.

I just hope the device is supported.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denglili:
T3's GPU is "poor" only when comparing to A5's, but it is actually one of the best GPUs available for Android. It beats SGX540 and Mali400MP. If you are not happy with it, you simply have to wait.

I think current 1280*800 res is a good match for T3' GPU. I love the high dpi screen of ip4, but 1280*800 is acceptable for me on tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
You know, here's the thing: when I use my original Transformer, it's a pleasure to use. I can navigate around the UI, utilize widgets, open apps, switch among them, play games, browse the Web, write notes, access RSS feeds, keep up with news, etc., etc. It's all a decent to great experience in a form factor that's comfortable to use in all sorts of situations.

The whole "lagginess" complaint really doesn't make much sense to me. Do I notice it if I pay attention to that single aspect of the experience? Sure. Does it actually detract from the usefulness of the device? Not at all. The only place where the Transformer's performance is actually a problem (at times) is the stock browser, but that's easily enough fixed by switching to Opera Mobile, which performs very well. From what I understand about the vaunted iPad 2, the stock Safari browser also isn't the most optimal choice and that third-party browsers are preferred by some.

Point is, I think that this whole "lagginess" thing is blown way out of proportion. And I'd rather have more functionality (e.g., widgets, real multitasking, etc.) than a perfectly smooth experience in any case.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The Samsung, even at an eye-popping resolution, is going to perform well and probably better then Teg3. It's going to use the PowerVR SGX MP GPU.

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...ies-powervr-sgx-mp-gpu-for-future-mobile-soc/

http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/sgx_series5XT.asp

There's another thing that hasn't been discussed in regard to lag and stuttering in Teg3. In Dianne's blog she talked about milliseconds making a difference. The Teg3 is really three different chips operating in tandem. Nvidia's written s/w that steps between the slower fifth core at low demand up to one or both of the dual-cores for high demand. As an application like Pulse which isn't very demanding initially needs more horsepower as you start interacting with it, the chip has to step between cores as demand increases. The delay in moving between cores, even though it's incredibly small, might be playing a role. This wouldn't be an issue with an app that either isn't demanding or utilzes the same amount of resources continuously. I can't think of any other explanation as the Teg3 has more power, a better GPU, and more memory bandwidth then devices it's being compared to. Here's a blurb from a technical review of Teg3. It talks about the latency in moving between the cores.

...you will take a big hit on the transfer from the low power core to the G cores, but we would assume that Nvidia engineers have figured out how to minimize this impact. Either way, you will take a latency hit as well as a power hit in moving all that data, the best you can do is minimize how often you have to switch...

Nvidia delayed the launch of Teg3 three times. It was supposed to be Q2 2011, then August 2011, and then October 2011. It's totally new approach to the balance between better battery life and performance that hasn't been attempted before. It's intersting that other chip makers don't seem to be following in their path and instead are focusing on smaller dies and newer ARM technologies as their answer to more power and better efficiency.

I guess time and more usage will tell...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denglili:
ARM has similar architecture called big.LITTLE:

http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/bigLITTLEprocessing.php

It is a combo of A15+A7.

I guess Samsung and TI are both working on it:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...rchitecture-for-frugal-Exynos-in-2012_id23291
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That is true regarding the latency issue. I've read this also before. I think nvidia did a good job at minimizing the impact between steps/switching of cores. Nvidia didn't use a smaller die because the yields are so low right now and would increase the final product cost. Same issue with screen resolution. Now down the road Nvida is going to use smaller dies. probably on Wayne and Starks chipset.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The difference is ARM is designing and engineering the chip and will deploy it as in integrated solution. Nvidia took older stand-alone technologies and themselves had to do all the heavy lifting to try and acomplish the same thing. The ARM solution is far more elegant. So the concept's similar but it's going to come down to the execution. I'd liken it to buying a turbocharged car from the factory and adding your own turbocharger to a car that wasn't originally designed for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
If history repeats itself, Nvidia will be first to market with a next-gen chip and then be eclipsed by what follows. Teg2 was a "killer chip" compared to single-cores when it launched but was soon overtaken. We won't know with Teg3 until other comperable next-gen chips are released. In product evolution Nvidia seems to focus on being first. That can be either a gift or a curse. While certainly not a small company, they don't have the resources of TI, Qualcomm, and Samsung.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
good analogy EXCEPT factory turbos are limited and usually no aftermarket support or tuning to make produce even more horsepower n tq. now with aftermarket turbos, there is always tuning available to optimize and increase horsepower n tq. aftermarket turbos usually always more powerful n produce better results. if you go to high then you have to beef up internals. factory cars ecu can really output more power or the car can take more power. the programmers only set it at a sweet spot to accommodate everyone and more reliability. only good thing with factory Turbo is the warranty from factory.

what you said is factory, Prime is aftermarket/underground. which do you choose? lmao ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
if history repeat every single apps will be made for the tegra 3 and others chips won't have anything more to offer than top spot in benchmark.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Simply put, since Nvidia's dependent on ARM technology for anything they create it's highly unlikely that they'd be able to do a better job than ARM themselves. If they could, they'd be creating their own designs rather than paying substantial license fees to ARM. This isn't about a better solution; it's about time to market. And an integrated soution from ARM will cost significantly less so TI and Qualcomm will end up under cutting the price of Teg3 which is an expensive chip to manufacture because of the added complexity. This could end up hurting Nvidia's sales, margins, or both if the performance is equal to or better than Teg3. The ARM chip isn't good news for Nvidia. There's a reason better resourced companies license their chip designs from ARM rather than trying to do it themselves even though they could.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I've had three Teg2 devices. Not one of the fifty apps I use performed better on Teg2 than on Exynos or Qualcomm devices. And god help you if you want to watch high profile video on a Teg2. The hype was way ahead of the reality. Teg2's only advantage were certain games optimized for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
hmm..very good point. never really thought of it like that. they could undercut but that's using dirty tactics..lol I must admit, you know your stuff. thanks for the insight.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
This is a very very important point. In the end no one cares about potential speed. All we care about is the software we actually have. Time and time again products with extremly good hardware came out but just wasnt supported by software devs. The 3DO comes to mind^^ And gaming PCs nowadays...

Tegra3 has software devs that make games for it and they will run perfectly because they are optimized. Thats much more important to me than clock speed or amount of cores or anything.

And btw i really dont get all the fuss about extremly high resolution in tablets/phones. There are 100 other things that are much more important imho. Battery technology for example. Thats why i love the idea behind the Tegra3. Yes maybe there will be a stutter sometimes. But in the end of the day at the hotel where you dont have an adapter for the outlet you put the prime into its dock, after a 10hour car drive with nonstop use, and just check some emails. While the 2ghz/ 2gb ram / 2048x1536pixel tablet was shiny for 5h and died.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
More likely than not the A15 dual-core will beat out the quad T3 simply because of efficiency due to being native multi-core rather than 4.5 independent cores chained together and forced to function in uniform. At this time, a quad-core SoC for a tablet is completely unnecessary, especially if you consider how Android framework as well as available software. Not to mention the single channel memory bus that potentially starves that GPU/CPU.

Hell, if I dual-core SoC that's currently out could handle 1080p decoding and output I probably wouldn't be buying a Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
App developers follow the volume. Teg2 as the first dual-core was used in a lot of phones and was the only chip supported in HC until 3.2 so it got lots of support. Especially in gaming because of its optimization. Everyone was saying Exynos wouldn't be supported since it's a "Samsung only" chip. Once sales hit a couple of million it's amazing how fast many developers optimized thier s/w for it. The Teg3 is far less mainstream in its design then Teg2 was. So far, the only Teg3 device is the Prime. We'll find out how many phones and tablets will be using it at CES as well as what TI and Qualcomm are doing to compete against it. All the hype about Teg3 has come from Nvidia itself and Asus as the first manufacturer to use it. It would be more encouraging if a bunch of other manufacturers got behind it publically too. It's actually strange that they haven't as Nvidia's been barking about it for almost a year. HTC's using Qualcomm in their tablet and Samsung Exynos. The new Toshiba is using TI as is Google's flagship Nexus Prime. If the volume's there Teg3 will get tons of support. If it's not, it won't. How quickly it's deployed in other devices will also effect the speed at which development is done for it. If I was an app developer, depending on how much work's required, I'd wait a bit to see how things shake out and for some critical mass to build up. It's all about the Benjamin's.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
Reading through the comments, I'm amazed at how many people are claiming that they already know that higher resolution tablets in 2012 will both be slower than the TF Prime and will have worse battery life, considering (1) we don't even have any officially announced higher res tablets yet, (2) the few tablets we do have leaked information on (like the Lenovo) we don't even know for sure what to expect the specs to ultimately be, and (3) we don't know what companies will come up with to challenge the issues.

Really, do you guys think these companies aren't going to be aware that higher resolution will present a challenge in terms of maintaining UI smoothness and overall performance? Of course they are going to bump up the hardware and specs where needed in order to compensate for this. Same goes for battery life. The Galaxy Nexus has quite the resolution jump over the long-standard 800 x 480 resolution, but it's still one of the smoothest and best performing devices around. And the GN's other specs aren't really any improvement over other top tier dual core phones (edit: before people jump to discrediting my argument, I know the GN is running ICS when other phones aren't, but we've got ICS ROMs for my HTC Sensation, which is lower res than the GN, and it still isn't nearly as smooth as a GN). If a company can manage to come out with a phone that has a large resolution bump that is on par with its lower-res competitors in terms of smoothness and performance (without having equal bumps in other specs), I'm sure they can also come out with tablets that have large resolution bumps that are also as smooth as their lower-res competitors, especially considering that they will have equal bumps in other specs (in the form of A15 chips, better GPUs, 2 GB of faster RAM, etc.).

Ultimately, let's not make certain claims either way. There's so many factors here that I'm willing to wait to see how these higher res tablets of 2012 perform, so I think it's a bit extreme to already be saying they will underperform.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
Too much talk about resolutions. IMO, anything above 1080p (even that is pushing it) on a 10" screen is pointless.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
Why? If these tech companies are pushing phones that have really high ppi, why wouldn't they also push tablets that have higher ppi? It makes perfect sense to me that they're finally upping the ppi on tablets, because so far tablets have been lagging far behind phones in that respect. 1st gen tablets have ppi near to what my cheap laptop has, and I can make out pixels. Plus, tablets are still relatively new enough for them to still be innovation hubs, so companies are going to be dumping higher specs into them every year. Good luck selling an Android competitor to the iPad 3 if your product still has just 1280 x 800 resolution. Whether or not higher resolution has any true worth, no one is going to be buying 1280 x 800 res tablets when iPad 3 res tablets are out. You gotta keep up in the tech world.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Wordlywisewiz:
Apples resolution they want is crazy and pointless unless they will put in more than 64GB of memory because the resolution they want to use will fill that up with one movie! I wish Google would allow you to change screen resolution like windows does!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] italia0101:
Just quick question.. I'm trying to work out theoretical bandwidth for a few socs...

1066mhz *32*2 =68224=8.5

Is the iPad 2 8.5gb/s

1066mhz *32 =34112=4.26

If so is tegra 3. 4.26gb/s

Or have I got that completely wrong