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[Galaxy S I9000 General] mulanrouge:
Of course I tried all ICS ROMS so far... Doesn't see nothing really surprising, the phone looks the same, major applications like email, sms doesn't bring nothing new. No new system apps, no nothing.

ICS for me is like the same old Android with a new launcher!

Now, don't get me wrong. Android is absolutely fantastic. What I am trying to discuss is that we are all getting crazy to get ICS in our SGS, and I am asking if that is so important and bring us significant benefits.

Cheers!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
The simplest way to explain is ICS is not about the looks but about whats under the hood. So i guess you are all about the looks... Now i understand what you are saying. What you want is what manufacturers do with their custom frameworks. Don't expect anything like that from AOSP android. And that is why we should get official ICS for sgs. Because people like you expect more than whats under the hood.

@Slane. Nice to see u only know how to repeat yourself, trolling over and over. Maybe if you don't understand you should leave this thread? :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gaspernemec:
Im wondering whats going to be samsungs answer on this...or they simply wont care
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
We could just spam that on their sites and Facebook accounts.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fuctifino:
Samsung stock ROMs for Froyo and Gingerbread for the SGS were all quite frankly....crap.

All were laggy and full of bloatware sat on a crap file system.

The devs here sussed it out, stripped out the crap and gave us ext 4 which greatly improved the overall SGS experience plus the custom overclocking kernels and tools have helped us as well.

We now have some fairly stable vanilla ICS ports for the SGS and I for one am in awe of the guys doing this work.

The SGS II ICS rom that has been ported will eventually work fully once the guys have had sufficient time to work on it.

Given the choice between Samsung releasing a bloated ICS ROM for the SGS or the ports of vanilla ICS being released, I know where I stand.

My experience of ICS so far is that it feels a lot more responsive and quicker than Froyo or Gingerbread ever did.

Sadly, Samsung are not going to listen to us, the SGS II has and is still selling well and what with the SGS III due for release this year, well, we have no chance.

Long live the devs here cos you guys rock :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] shawtylolo:
fu** it we have a port of s2:P samung is a whore:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SherifMedhat:
i support this case
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wGRV:
I am starting to hate google too for loosing interest on ICS. They are giving importance to Android Jellybean instead of fixing stability issues on ICS! I guess my next phone would be from Apple/ Windows phone but not Android or symbian!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thesmegger:
hi

it really sucks that a samsung mobile phone thats not been out that long ago is not updated with googles ice cream sandwich, its a really popular phone too, so alot of people have this, and er no sorry .

the recent stories are that samsung will include some stuff from ics but not all. This is a shame when you see cyanogen cm9 running on sgs in early build stages which do almost everything correctly, a few bugs thats true but hey these guys are working on it .So yeah i'm here to complain that samsung sell phones and then dont update them is really a scandal.

long live all those clever guys, the developers like, cyanogen, miui ,etc that work hard and get around all those hardware problems that a big company like samsung cant be bothered to do .

thx bye
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fuctifino:
This year the SGS will be 2 years so old, it's no longer being produced and we've still seen GB updates until recently.

The S2 has been available for a year more or less and the S3 will soon be launched.

Bearing in mind that many people will be coming to the end of a 2 year contract this year and will be upgrading to either an S2 or S3.

With the rapid hardware development that's going on in the smartphone market because they want to stay one step ahead of Apple, does it really come as a surprise to you that Samsung have dropped support for an obsolete product and working on releasing their new flagship model and also on ICS for the S2?

Sorry but it all makes complete sense from a business point of view..

Yes I do feel sorry for anyone who had had an SGS for 6 months or a year but if you followed Android from the start, you'll know than many phones didn't even get an upgrade from V1.5 to V1.6.

However if like me you have had 2 years of use from this great little phone, you'll be thinking about upgrading via your contract or buying a new phone.

As I have said before, stock ROM's for the SGS were always crap, flull of bloatware and sat on a laggy file system.

So, do you want Samsung to release crap ICS ROM's or would you prefer the Devs to sort it out and give us decent ROM's?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Funnnny:
First, Samsung from is not crap, it's a nicely done rom but with bloatware, and we have to remove it. The file system is not crap, it has less overhead than ext4, that's why teamhacksung choose yaffs instead of ext4 for /system

and second, we don't need ics rom because of the rom, we need it to get the correct driver and some improvement that we can make custom rom from it
[Galaxy S I9000 General] emerich46:
Considering the vast amount of really good ROMs and Kernels for ICS, I don't see a reason why we would need an official release. Personally I'd love them to hire one team of developers from these forums and just make their release official.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] casparke12:
port

I running on a sgs2 xxlph port for galaxy s pre-alpha v3 it is good
[Galaxy S I9000 General] schinden:
SGS II unofficial ROM looks like Gingerbreads .... I like the originality of CM9 and ports of ICS. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Gonzas10:
Agree on the crappy and slow stock roms :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chrismarkham1982:
Had time to think..and while -in general- I do agree that the SGS should get get at least some some sort of ICS love, it would be nothing out of the norm.

With every new gen of smart phone released, an older one has to lose some or all support to free up resources within to support the new device/software.

Besides, the ICS roms that are being ported on XDA are of excellent quality and very stable, particularly ICSSGS v4.2 and Dark Knight 3.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rekkaone:
how can they say that SGS can't have ICS cuz of low memory when the amazing devs on xda have done serveral ICS versions?

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how can they say that SGS can't have ICS cuz of low memory when the amazing devs on xda have done serveral ICS versions?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] METEMEDO:
Maybe because Samsung can program so well that they use half the phone's RAM just to get their launcher running.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
You can find some informative posts about memory in this thread of you take some time to read and not only post without doing it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] belmethos:
[APP]TouchWiz 4 for ICS (update 29.02.2012)

This is the TW4 for your ics ROMS, beware it is the launcher Only.

So ics actually can run better than ginger or froyo with the TW if you get rid of bloatware :D.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] A.S._id:
and why?

in the last XXJVU done all you can!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
As a Galaxy S user, I'm not upset at Samsung's decision not to update the phone to ICS. After running the various ICS roms on XDA, it has become apparent to me that while ICS is really cool and has a nice interface, the Galaxy S clearly cannot multitask at all when running ICS due to its lack of ram. For example I'm browsing the internet on desktop mode and I receive a message. Opening the message causes the browser to be 'saved-state' rather than minimized. On Froyo, the browser(or whatever app that was being used) would be definitely minimised and on Gingerbread, it was a mixture of both.

It is obvious that the speed of the UI depends on the processor, OS and ram. On ICS, the phone has to constantly clear its ram by closing and reopening processes, and hence the phone suffers from lags every now and again.

You might say that this is mainly because the ICS roms are only in their beta stages, but even so, free ram on an ICS rom is about 50-60Mb, while the amount needed to be lag-free and capable of multitasking is at least 100Mb. It is unlikely that the final releases of these roms would exceed 100Mb of free ram, and it is also just as unlikely that samsung would be able to produce an official rom capable of that.

As for the Nexus S having the same hardware, it may be rather smooth due to optimizations, but it still falls short in multitasking when compared to froyo and gb roms.

Ultimately, upgrading to ICS would compromise the ability to multitask.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
So, according to you, no phone with 512 MB RAM will/should have ICS?

This is non-sense.

There is no reason that the "optimizations" of the Nexus S couldn't be used on the Galaxy S.

There are also many Sony phones with 512MB RAM getting ICS. I also bet that many phones will be released with ICS with 512MB in the future.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
No, what I mean is that if you don't mind losing out on multitasking, then go for ICS. I myself currently use cm9 build 17, because I simply prefer ICS to gingerbread.

But the point is that even the Nexus S cannot run ICS as well as it runs Gingerbread.

As for other 512Mb ram phones being upgraded to ICS, the scenario is similar to some low end phones being released with gingerbread, as opposed to froyo, when their low rams would probably make them run better on the latter.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kany1991:
Samsung u sucks in updates :/

I WANT N OFFICIAL UPDATE OF ICS WID TOUCH WIZ 4 :mad:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Disin:
I can't understand SAMSUNG... :/

ICSSGS RC 4.2 - Tapatalk
[Galaxy S I9000 General] badyalberto:
neither do I
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Don't understand how you can lose out on multitasking when android doesn't support it??

And using onecosmic ics on i9000 i haven't notice any problems with storing/reopening apps. Just noticed everything works much faster and smother then before, be it games, browser, or whatever else you might be talking about. And couple of my friends have the same experience as other people on the internet. So plz report any problems you have in your rom's development thread as it seems you have problems. Try reflashing, wiping.... :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
RAM usage is pretty much the same on both OSes
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Actually ICS likes to keep more apps/processes cached in ram than previous versions did. So while people might think ICS uses more ram itself it is more true it just manages ram differently, but it is more efficient than before.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
Well, I do a clean wipe everytime I change roms. But surely you cannot deny that multitasking was better on the final froyo 2.2.1 roms, like ZSJPK, as compared to ICS roms. On Froyo 2.2.1, I could have a browser on a desktop site, a simple game like Angry Birds, and my messages open at the same time, and none of them would go into 'save-state' or 'sleep'. In other words, I could switch between these apps and they'd switch instantly without loading to where I left them.

But on ICS, if I ran those three at the same time, switching between them would require loading of those apps, meaning that they were actually put into 'save-state' when 'minimised'. It doesn't bother me most of the time, but it's quite annoying when I switch between tabs when browsing and have to wait for the reloading of a page I've already loaded. Or like when I'm browsing and a message comes in and I read it. Then, when switching back to the browser, it has to reload the page. This doesn't happen 100% of the time, of course, but it does happen at least half the time.

On the other hand, this doesn't happen at all on ZSJPK 2.2.1, unless I've really used up all the ram.

Ultimately, it brings me back to what I eluded to earlier as the fundamental flaw of ICS on our Galaxy S, vis a vis multitasking. In a nutshell, the multitasking on Froyo is like a pc, where stuff still run in the background when minimised. But on ICS, the multitasking is more similar to the old iOS, where it goes into a 'save-state', due to a lack of ram.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Again, to remind you, android doesn't support multitasking so it doesn't do it :)

If you don't mind i really don't want to remember the nightmare official froyo for sgs was. :(

Only thanks to darky was using my phone pleasurable.

What you say did happen when i was coming out of asphalt but i rarely game on my phone but i think i can't complain about it. About switching tabs in browser i haven't noticed this happening but then again it depends what page you are viewing. Anyway haven't notice any worse behavior in app caching and didn't notice anyone complaining. The biggest complaint i heard is that there is less free ram available but if you really look you will see the same amount of ram available to the system its just being used to do more....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Hoppahoppa:
To be honest, I don't need ICS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] disclaimernotice:
I know android doesn't have real multitasking, but all I'm saying is that the 'multitasking' on Froyo is much better than that on ICS.

As for froyo being terrible, those were the 2.2 roms. I used the Froyo ZSJPK 2.2.1 rom and it was far better than any Gingerbread stock or custom rom.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] menace-2-society:
kheb android 4.0.4 ics op mn sgs staan.. loopt als een zonnetje :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lasickui:
ics

i hate samsung for that. Luckily there are such members as vibrantuks, which ports ICS for our i9000 :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Agreed, nobody "need" it but we just want it :)

But if you think like that consider all the other things we don't need :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] METEMEDO:
No what?

Team ICSSGS' ROM is working better than any Samsung's stock Gingerbread or Froyo ROM ever did.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
Real multitasking? Android has real multitasking since day one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ilabs:
I9000 GB update..

Seems we'll be getting an official update soon, but its not ICS.. Check the links below:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/samsung-mobile/android-40-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-ii/390405030989148
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DeadSOL:
Android may "technically" have real multi-tasking but not the type of multi-tasking that we want!

On iOS, you can minimize your game, browse a webpage, paint something, and reply to an SMS without any of the applications restarting.

On Android, my Angry Birds game shuts itself down when I browse a webpage and reply to an SMS via GOSMS. That just SUCKS! What type of "multi-tasking" is that? Can my SGS not work better than the old 3GS of yore?

I hate Apple, don't get me wrong, but they've got the "REAL" multi-tasking- the one that I want. :-/
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
No iOS doesnt have real multitasking, android has real multitasking but sgs is crippled with low ram memory. Thats why when you really multitask some apps must be closed because of low ram avaliability. On froyo it was OK, on GB not that much. If you put game to background it will eat up big chunk of free ram, flash semaphore kernel and put LMK to 32MB, it will be better, but to really multitask betwean games and browser you need at least 512MB ram, wich we dont have, we have only 340MB.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
agreed totally, on htc desire the multitasking is way better than on S+ (I9001) for example, it's the RAM limitation that sucks on SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Don't know are you intentionally using the term "multitasking" wrong or you find it hard to use google and find out what it is?

Just to clarify android, iOS or winmo7 do not support multitasking. What you might think is multitasking is just app cashing. My moto V300 had that for java apps back in the day :). One reason i will never understand why android, iOS or winmo7 based phones are called smartphones. These OSes compared to symbian, mego, windows mobile up to 6.5 are just what you had on dumbphones all along just prettier on better hardware. Personally hate having such nice hardware in my hands with such pathetic software. Anyway at least ICS makes it easier to suffer until we get something proper. :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] raduit:
ICS for i9000

They can make lightweight ROM for galaxy s , or they can make ICS with special memory management.

i use ICS rom from dark knight v3 and it works v good
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
I think that you are wrong. Android can multitask but some apps in background after a wile will be paused. Why dont you buy symbian phone they are cheap these days? No need to use patethic software, you can easily mt betwean non existing apps on symbian, or Meego, i mean it will be a heavenly experience multitasking between calculator and gallery.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jackmax32:
Hey guys even HTC Desire S is getting official ICS!!! Samsung u r a complete BS..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] itspb:
Stop crying and flash your device with so many ICS ROMs available here. We all knew that SGS will not get any update after GB.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] LiViD:
Are you only here for the purpose of trolling? If you don't have anything constructive to point out about Android, there is nice iOS section on XDA for you. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jackmax32:
M on ICS for a month now :-P
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
Yes father, im so sorry, your post vas very informative. Are you wannabe moderator or just satisfied being fuc..d by Samsung?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Try google if you think i am wrong and try to find out what multitasking really is. Oh yes and all apps on android/winmo7/iOS are paused when in "background" ( being paused and cashed in memory ). That is not multitasking.

And yes i consider mego, sybian and so on much more advanced OSes that real OS wannabes like iOS , android or winmo7. But that still doesn't help them from being abandonwear ( meaning poor app support and poor hardware ). But to inform you apps are apps and they don't make an OS :D OK? Second N9 cost more than galaxy S2 in my country, so maybe they are not so expensive where you live here not so. And you should consider why symbian phones might be cheap where you live. They come with old and outdated hardware. I don't want to pay premium for old and outdated hardware. If only N97 came with N900 hardware maybe symbian wouldn't be such a failure today. So i am forced to compromise and use droids.... I only wish i wasn't forced to compromise :)

But to recap ICS at least has a "taskmanager" ( maybe should be renamed to something else so it wouldn't mislead people ) so we can monitor and remove apps from ram if we don't want them there without third party apps. :)

p.s. there was a preview clip of N9 on youtube with 36 apps running simultaneously. I started drooling :D. Our poor droids can't even cache that many apps :( . But i still wonder where they found so many apps for N9 :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DeadSOL:
Are you talking about the N900? I saw a clip with the N900 running above 30 apps. Imagine that- an N900!!!!! It was proper multi-tasking, by the way. All apps were running in the background.

Our Galaxy S is much more advanced and, yet, it can't even do that! For shame, Google and Samsung! For shame!

Also, could you guys stop bickering? It won't solve anything. We all know that there are much better phones out there, yet, we are sticking to our Galaxy S. It WAS an amazing flagship but technology takes numerous strides, gentlemen. We're relics of the past now- at least on Samsung's radar.

Let's all hope for a Galaxy S3! :cool:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mialwe:
N9: 1Gb RAM, fast (link)

N900: 256Mb RAM, fast + 768Mb Swap =1Gb (link)

SGS1: 512Mb RAM, fast

Can we really compare these devices? SGS1 has 512Mb RAm only which restricts multitasking, true. I never used a N900 but using Swap \w my Linux boxes (SSD driven) usually slows down stuff a lot.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Yay for multitasking... but how does it hold for "real life situation"?

I use my SGS to keep track of my runs, for training purposes and for entertainement.

So, I get the player playin' the tracks

I get My Tracks up and running, records the GPS location

I get SportsTracker up, connect my BT HeartRate/Steps monitor

I get going and they all work in the same time. I can also check the status update on the FaceBookWidget if I want to. How is that not "real multitasking"?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I wasn't comparing phones on hardware capabilities i was comparing operating systems. And when i was talking about N9 and so many apps in memory they said no noticeable slowdowns were detected. Of course when software gives you real control over its resources you can always overload the hardware. That is one reason they don't want real multitasking on phones because they consider the average user to dumb to use it properly. I would say i get their point. :)

Simple answer is: " It is not."

To explain simply android runs processes which run all the time and apps can use them. Multitasking would allow an app to have its own process thread running. That is why that little cheat can work for most things you need but try using an app for lets say decompressing a bigger file and while its working switch to browser and check out a page while your waiting for it to finish. Guess what you will be waiting forever because it is stopped :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mialwe:
Thank you. Bye.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
And how many times would you use a cellphone for decompressing "big files"?

This is like saying you can't run an SQL server and a mail server at the same time on your phone, pretty useless IMHO... And most of the "home computer" will have a hard time running it.

To paraphrase, don't buy an honda civic to tow a boat, it will never work... But for going around town, getting the kids and grocerys, doing normal living, it's pretty more descent than a semi, even if the semi is way more powerfull!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I completely agree :D

But however it still means that it doesn't support multitasking. Just don't understand why you focus on how hard it is to run a task i was just using a simple example. Sometimes you multitask simple tasks too.

Just want to apologize for taking this to ot. But i don't want get into what we need or don't need :) But it still stands that ICS is something we want.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
I see only 340MB of ram on my phones. In some way people were decived that sgs has 512MB usable ram, when in reallity it only has 340 which you can use.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tokugawa:
It's not like the traditional multi-process (each app is an own process) concurrency (i.e. preemptive multitasking) is the only kind of multitasking.

Guess what, Windows 3.x and earlier were also considered multitasking environments, but their multitasking approach was sort of even lamer than Android/iOS/WP7 (cooperative multitasking - each process had to retreat and give back control to the OS in order to let other programs run "concurrently").

The model used on iOS/Android/WP7 just makes more sense in a mobile device environment, with limited resources (CPU and RAM) and scarce battery capacities.

Wanting multitasking from a user perspective (the aforementioned "running in background" tasks) are still possible in these environments, they just need to be programmed that way, as background processes/services. So to have what you call "real" multitasking, apps have to explicitly request that - just like in cooperative multitasking, apps had to explicitly give back control.

There is no "truer multitasking" than other multitasking models.

PS: even Concurrent CP/M used "kind of" like the mobile concurrency model (apps that sleep in background), and even that could have been called multitasking.