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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] avinash60:
Short answer: Not yet.

But seriously, there are several reasons I feel that the Prime is a serious contender to iPad and something that can be called 2nd generation Android Tablet.

First, granted that a bump in the amount of RAM would be great, but in reality we should look at how well optimized the system should be for a given amount of memory. Slapping memory in when it only increases costs while doing very little good to the system performance is a step back in my opinion and 1GB should be plenty for a tablet with optimized OS. I also feel that Honeycomb is to blame right now as to how it utilizes its system resources.

On the CPU front, a quad core at lower clocks, made on a mature A9 process rather than a new A15 one makes more sense to me. The 4 cores+companion core and its implications on the battery along with the long term implications on the multi threaded applications far outweigh the initial performance improvements due to the bumped up frequency on a dual core.

The higher resolution would be interesting, but the question is if we really need 2k+ resolutions on a tablet screen. Does it really make sense to stress the GPU out for such little difference in the visual output from a tablet? Granted I could think of this improvement in the third generation devices, when the GPU is actually able to handle this with 3D gaming smoothly without heating up, but I still think it is wasteful beyond a certain level of ppi. I would much rather throw all that GPU horsepower behind better 3D rendering.

I agree on the GPU front that tegra 3 is lagging, but when we look at tablets we must remember that the experience is a sum total from CPU and GPU working in tandem. It is very difficult to bump up both the CPU and GPU specs to insane levels while keeping the price point that Asus is keeping (unlike Motorola with their horribly spec'd and priced Xyboard). I had hoped though that Nvidia would finally get their GPU to Unified architecture on tablet front like their Desktop GPUs- That would have been absoultely great with the 12 GPU processing cores in the Kal-el. But it is true that GPU is lacking right now.

Ultimately though what will make or break this tablet will be ICS. Everyone is more interested with the kind of experience that one gets on a tablet, not the hardware behind it. I feel and hope that the final melding of the mobile and tablet paths of android will give us improvements on that end. I also think that the way Asus, Nvidia and Google have been working on ICS we should see some interesting improvements on Tegra 3 with ICS. For me, Prime seems to be the best choice going ahead even with the upcoming CES.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Pegatron lands orders for Lenovo quad-core tablet PC

Aaron Lee, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 19 December 2011]

Pegatron Technology reportedly has landed orders from Lenovo for its quad-core LePad tablet PC, which is set to enter mass production after the Lunar New Year in January, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.

Specifications include the all new NVIDIA’s Tegra 3 processor which will be clocked at 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, and a high resolution display (1900x1200). It is also reported to have a full sized USB port, two cameras and a “Special Fusion Skin Body”.

In response to the report, Pegatron said it would not comment on matters concerning individual clients.

Currently, Lenovo's LePad sales are only behind those of Apple's iPad in China with the volume already reaching 160,000 units in the second quarter and a market share of 8.4%, the sources said.

Pegatron was originally the upstream partner of Germany-based Medion, but as Medion was acquired by Lenovo earlier in 2011, Pegatron was able to enter into Lenovo's supply chain and may even have chances to land notebook orders from Lenovo in the future after succeding in receiving tablet PC orders, the sources said.

In addition to Lenovo, Pegatron reportedly also has received orders from Acer and Toshiba for 2012, but the company has again declined to comment on client-related matters.

For the fourth quarter, Pegatron's quarterly profit will have a chance of reaching NT$1 billion (US$32.93 million), or an EPS of NT$0.4. Its EPS for the first three quarters of the year was negative NT$0.38.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/14/exclusive-lenovo-to-release-a-10-1-inch-ice-cream-sandwich-tabl/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denglili:
T2's memory bandwidth and GPU was bottleneck for Honeycomb. The improvement on T3 might be just enough for 1280*800, but not good enough 1920*1200.

Anyway, that's just pure speculation. It would be interesting to see the actual products coming with T3 on 1920*1200
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mithent:
No, I don't have a first-generation tablet for it to be an upgrade from, and I'm interested in it first and foremost for the keyboard dock.

I admit I'd prefer to have more RAM, though 1GB is probably sufficient. But the resolution doesn't bother me much: I'd rather have the dock than a higher-resolution screen.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
i'm more than happy with the prime thus far, to wait for potential new devices (none of which are around the corner) is to never buy anything because there's always rumors of devices "coming soon". being that the prime has had so many issues getting out of the gate, one could reasonably assume OEM's trying to push all these new panels (1200p, 1080p, 2000p) are going to have some major supply issues and are going to cost more than the prime does with dock.

in the gen1 round, asus was really the only oem who figured out people won't buy your tablet if you price it the same as an ipad and don't offer anything over the excellent ecosystem apple has created for their device, plus the apple logo > all in the mainstreams mind.

as for 2gb of ddr3 over 1gb of ddr2, if ICS can optimize the OS as much as google seems to be promising, then i'm just fine with 1GB.

the real kicker for the prime vs any other tablet is the dock, if it's something you want to use in that fashion, there is no other tablet out there that can compete in that area aside from the tf101.

the tegra3 soc as a whole seems to be running things just fine, until we really see some really AAA games for android, i don't see any problems with it's GPU. and by the time that happens, we'll all have moved on to (or at least i will have) gen3 tablets anyways and be running android 6.0

personally, the dock + having it now + asus' design and general build quality (this thing is THIN and solid) make me not really care about anything lenovo or samsung are going to put out in the next 4 months. (if they put out anything in that time frame at all)

but i already own a prime, so maybe i have some bias in my view ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] vitalero:
I realy want to get the prime, but i'm afraid to order and get a wifi/gps/screen leeck one. Im gonna wait abit untill the others comeout[lenovo,acer] maybe the price will drop and the units will finnaly have everything working.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gamefreke89:
If you're waiting for the price to drop. You'll be waiting a year at least.

---------- Post added at 01:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:14 PM ----------

This screw up on Asus' part is unacceptable in my opinion Johnny Shih announced this thing over two months ago at AsiaD and from that point on they should have been manufacturing these things 24/7 since then to meet the demand. But they obviously didn't because they couldn't even fulfill the initial preorders. If they can't fulfill the initial pre-orders how are they supposed to meet the ACTUAL demand of the entire market. I'm not giving up on this thing because I can't phyisically get it. I'm giving up because by the time they actually do meet demand, Tegra 4 processors will be PRIMED for release.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
True for Toys Too
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
I guess everyone gets caught up in the specs wars but as far as the ram goes I think one gig of ram is plenty for the prime.Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the the original ipad only have half a gig of ram & it runs as smooth as silk?? If the Ipad ran sluggish people would say it needed more ram.But the software is just optimized for that amount of ram & that's why people compare every tablet to the ipad. I've seen videos of ICS running on the nexus & it's very fluid.ICS is the software that's been so badly needed that's why Asus wanted the Prime to ship with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jzen:
i was not impressed with the primes hardware, software or screen. IMO my HP Touchpad runs better, good roms and screen colors are better.

selling it. dont become negative this is just my conclusion after testing each side by side. the primes price makes it not worth it to me considering the HP Touchpad does everything I would use the prime for but better and it was $300 cheaper.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] techjunkie9194:
I understand feeling this way. My Prime will be delivered on Wednesday and based on the various threads I have been concerned that there could be problems. This will be my first tablet and just like buying a laptop or anything electronic if there is a problem I will simply exchange it or have it repaired. I am not going to let the concern about a problem that may not exist on my tablet to keep me from getting one. FWIW.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Can you please stop posting that the whole time in every topic? Your HP Touchpad isn't running Honeycomb, so that isn't making sense at all. Thanks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
You ask if we are still getting the Prime after hearing that it isnt perfect?

I ask back: Why did you want to get it in the first place? I guess only you can answer that and see if it justifies the cost.

For me its pretty simple. I never had a Tablet before because the iPad doesnt offer the features i'm looking for. And i have a general rule not to buy first gen stuff. For obvious reasons i think (mainly because the companies are experimenting with stuff in 1st gen).

Along came the prime, offering everything i was looking for while not being a 1st gen device. Sure there will be better tablets in the future, with different features like screen resolution, but its the 2nd gen tablet from asus. End of story :) Again what features are required to make it 2nd gen? Resolution? Cpu clock? Amount of Ram?

For me being light and thin is one of the most important things on a Tablet. There is no other tablet as thin and light as the Prime, while still having all the features.

My post is getting long :/ But my last point is: Dont judge the software in its current state. It was planned as a ICS tablet but HC was needed to meet the release date. I would have been surprised if it was without bugs... I even expect some problems when ICS comes out simply because its still very new. If you want a system that is fully matured you have to go with iPad. Apple has a year more of experience with tablets than Android and the software is extremly minimalistic (->fewer bugs).

I intend to keep my Prime for quite some time. And i know that one year from now it will have none of the software problems it might has now.

But it will still have that keyboard dock with USB/SDcard, good if not better battery life than now (software optimizations!), many awesome Tegra3 games, good camera, light and thin etcetcetc.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I've used the original Transformer since launch day (I was fortunate to get it when within 3 minutes of when it came available on Amazon, and so skipped these shenanigans; I had no idea how frustrating it was). My opinion is that a typical 10" tablet (and I'm including the iPad 2 here) is of marginal value TO ME (only speaking for myself here) without the kind of integrated keyboard dock that's available for the Transformer/Prime.

I say this because other than writing notes and rough drafts (I don't consider ANY tablet ready for complex document creation of any kind), I don't find a 10" tablet of much use. I'd much rather have a 7" tablet for everything else I use the tablet form factor for, such as ebook reading, RSS reading, casual browsing, and casual gaming. And if I were to get a 7" tablet, I'd see no reason to spend more than the $199 or $249 for the Kinde Fire or Nook Tablet.

That said, the keyboard dock really does change the equation for me. It gives me something I can take to all-day meetings and use for taking notes, without the slightest concern about battery life. It also lets me pop the tablet into the dock when I'm researching at night in bed and want to write something quickly--and I can do it without needing to grab a notebook tray because the dock/tablet combo generates no heat and has no vents to cover.

So for me, the Prime seems like the perfect device. Faster than my Transformer and with a brighter screen so I can read it outdoors on my back porch (very important to me since I live in SoCal and we get lots of sun), and thinner/lighter so it's more comfortable for ebook reading. It's fine for casual gaming and video, and then for all the other things I use a tablet for.

I don't care about specs like 2GB RAM vs. 1GB RAM, because I've found my Transformer to perform well enough as it is. I also don't care about higher resolution screens, because I'd much rather have the additional brightness and battery savings. And, I like the $499 price for 32GB (vs. $599 for the iPad 2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 when it first came out). I don't want to spend more than that for a tablet, and I guarantee these higher-spec'd devices WILL cost more unless they have an Apple icon on them.

Finally, although we can knock ASUS for their questionable tablet product launches, we can't knock them for how they've supported the Transformer after the fact. The Transformer was always a very close second to the Xoom in getting the latest versions of Honeycomb, and ASUS was quick to fix any issues introduced by new firmware versions. They've provided a great mix of features without heavy skinning of Honeycomb. They'll also be the first, I'm sure, to release ICS, and they'll do it for both the Prime and the original Transformer.

That kind of support is worth quite a bit to me. My wife JUST got Honeycomb 3.2 on her Galaxy Tab 10.1, and I'm guessing it'll be Q2 before she sees ICS. We're pretty much guaranteed to get ICS on the Prime in January. Does anyone really see Lenovo or anyone else providing that level of support? I don't...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mithent:
My concern about RAM comes from my SGS, which has 512MB. That's enough for any particular task, but I find that it's poor at multitasking, especially where the browser is concerned. The RAM isn't sufficient for browser + much anything else, so starting the browser kicks other applications out of memory, and leaving it means returning to the browser requires reloading any open pages.

I do think that 1GB will probably be enough though. How much RAM does the Prime have free for applications?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
If you supposedly sold your prime (that as far as I am concerned you may or may not have ever owned) then why are you still trolling these threads. Go back to the TP threads. For the record I'm no Asus fanboy; I'm just tired of reading your trollish posts...Load CM7 on this supposed Prime that you have sold or are selling and then do the comparison of your discontinued tab vs the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Jbb3393:
I preordered my prime through best buy, i wanna say somewhere in the middle of november. When they pushed the release day from the first and nineth, or what ever the days were, i canceled that order. Then saw gamestop was carrying it and preorder with half money down since i live two blocks away and wouldnt have to wait for shipping and they promise me multiple times that i could come in on the nineteenth to pick it up. I went into my gamestop on the 16th and talked to the manager to make sure the nineteenth was still the day. And he confirmed they pushed the day back. That just pushed me over the limit. I told him i wanted to cancel and wanted my money back. He tried really hard to change my mind but i have had it with asus or gamestop or whom ever the reason is for the constant delays. I am going to wait for htc to come out with their next tablet because thair products have always been great for me and never upset me. Thats my rant.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Nasty64:
I had a prime on order but cancelled it. I'm going to wait until it looks like there are no wifi issues.

That said, I'm wondering if I even need a tablet. I got the galaxy nexus last weekend and haven't used my iPad2 since (usually use it a lot). With the size of the Nexus' screen I'm able to do everything I want with it so far. I'm very surprised. It'd be nice to only have one device...

Sent from a Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Op specs are wrong..lol for starters this device has best looking and brightest display of any tablet. all major reviewers s aid so. specs show it also. prime has the highest contrast ratio of ANY tablet also. its not the same ol resolution. its higher than If Transformer. tegra3 exceeds expectations. the b.s. On that its gpu lacking is nonsense. its already been known synthetic benchmarks are bull. its even said although ipad2 gpu produces "Slightly"higher benchmarks, the Tegra3, "in real life results", will produce better looking visuals and gameplay. most major reviewers already said this has produced the best visuals, graphics, and effects ever seen on a tablet. don't believe it, check out my superchip showdown thread and the links on what real world developers are saying/ thinkin about Prime/tegra3. so its gpu is more than up to par. Then lets not even talk about its cpu, which nothing out now even comes close to its power. as far as RAM goes, of course more would be better but nothing is out to take advantage of it. 1gb of RAM is still optimal. my Of iPad has only 256mb of RAM and still beats out most first generation tabs on performance. iPad2 has only 512mb of RAM yet still blows most other tabs away in performance. so having more RAM is not exactly relative to better performance. if so, the iPad1 or 2 wouldn't have done as well as it has. Extra RAM really only good for moremulitasking. how much b.s. Do you want running in there background? Lmfao 1gb already does a great job of multitasking.

All in all, Prime is great. Best display, best performance, most powerful cpu, best battery life out of any android tablet out. it even rivals iPad2. plus battery is better than iPad1. everything performs lightning fast and flawlessly on my prime. issues affecting some users doesnt mean all are affected. My display is fine, wifi is fine, speaker sound is great and loud, no lag. only thing I didn't test yet is GPS. overall nothing will come out in a minimum of 3 months or more that will even come remotely close to the great value, performance, build quality, and looks of the prime. that lenovo tablet doesn't scare the prime at all. these new tablets will have performace hindered/reduced by higher resolution.

The End.. LOL using slideIt keyboard had me sliding topping like a mofo trying to make my points. if people want to wait, then wait. But once those new devices drop your so anxious to see/ grab , there will even be better around the corner. then you will get same b.s. Talked about on those tablets. this is a never ending cycle. Prime is a great choice, people just hating on it. if I were to go off all the negative b.s. The Debbie downers wrote up here, i never would have got the prime. then I would have really regretted it seeing how I own one now and its great and different display the issues most trolls gripped on! damn! Lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ryan562:
X 2. Sold my Touchpad because its browser was crap and too heavy and bulky v. The prime. Not to mention webOS is dead. Android builds on it are nice but the Prime is much better and has way more potential for ROMs
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
he/she always saying that nonsense....lmfao I just laugh whenever I read his posts. he is truly living in a fantasy where his gameboy outperforms Ps3 & pc's lmao

I needed a good laugh and the troll always provides it. now watch ectoplamic come and thank his post. they might be the same person smh misery loves company.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denglili:
HTC almost has no impact on tablet market. Never see anyone using or any retail store selling HTC tablets as far as I see. Betting on moto/samsung/acer would be more realistic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Motorola and HTC both make terribly overpriced tablets. Hell, the Xoom's stupidly high price is what set back the Android Honeycomb tablet market for months--if the Transformer at $399 been the first one with all the press the Xoom received, we'd be looking at a different market. And the HTC Flyer came out at, what, $700 or something? $599 on contract? Insane.

Acer has threatened to leave the Android tablet market, and Samsung is doing well but their tablets are heavily skinned (you either love Touchwiz or hate it, I think, and in any event it slows down updates considerably) and they're also more expensive. Lenovo is the dark horse here, but they haven't exactly supported the hell out of their first offerings. And Sony is hard to fathom in general.

I'm miffed about how the Prime has been launched myself, but from a support and price/performance basis, I don't think anyone has ASUS beat.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] monkey10120:
I do not like what companies are doing about tablets and screen resolution. 1900x1200 is ridiculous for a mobile chip and most desktop gpu's have trouble playing certain games. Do not even get me started about Apples 2048×1536 display for the crap pad. They better scale back game gfx and come out with at least a 2ghz cpu to keep up with that.

Also about the Lenovo, my cousin payed $800 for his tegra 2 with dock, 2 months ago. I can only see the new tegra 3 with higher res screen starting at 700 w/o dock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] duckied:
chasing the dragon eh?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
have to return my tablet because of massive screen issues the screen is loose on the right side but still best android device ever
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RiPPn:
Mine is also lose on the right side, makes it so when you use your thumb to press things on the right side it feels hollow underneath cause the screen pushes in. I bought mine at best buy so I can return until jan 24th with no questions/restocking fee, I will use this one til close to that date then return it and buy a new one, or if a better tab is announced by then, wait for it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Wow...sorry to hear that. Was wifi solid? I wonder if the broke yours fixing the wifi? Mine has good wifi and no damage to the case, thankfully.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'd check with Best Buy to make sure tablets are covered by their holiday return policy. All indications are that they're not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Arun01:
Yep i thought the ipad only 512mb of ram.Yet the software is optimized for it.That's the reason ipad runs so smoothly (software).That's what ICS will bring to the Prime.