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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] di11igaf:
This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI (1080p)was not even playable on(even over clocked) a tegra 2, but the stock evo 3d played it like butter(neon, flash acceleration).

The tegra 3 now plays it smoother than the dual core sapdragon(maybe thanks to neon)

Heres a video i made with 2 tegra 2 devices trying to play the vid(atrix is overclocked)vs an evo 3D at stock clock speeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUVwq8eR3QI

Interesting and good for the tegra 3 nonetheless.(my prime plays the video smooth as butter anyway with a good connection-if you try to view the video remember to set it to 1080p)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XITHbsUUlYI (1080p)was not even playable

Are you saying this exact clip (on YouTube), or a separate clip of the same content? Because the YouTube clip is not actually 1080p despite what the setting says, and it's Flash which has a heavy overhead. But anyway, the Teg2 can play 1080p in baseline profile.

I did a video survey for the Xoom, in which the consensus was that a 1080p clip was playable even for a high-bitrate scene. The clip is encoded in 1080p baseline, CRF 23, with "minimal" compression. The consensus was that it was playable, albeit marginally.

The 1080p clip (clip_1080p_min.mp4) in question could be found here. I used MP4 as the container so the built-in video player can be used, ie with hardware mode.

In fact, please try the 1080p_max, or better, the 1080p_master clips, and see if they can play smoothly on your Prime. I'm sure it can play the _max, but the _master may be a tougher go.

There are two bit spikes in the scene, where the beasts get shot and take a tumble into the mud. Any frame drop would happen in these spots.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arcticreaver:
i think the prime will hold me for about 6 months. i believe google will be releasing their own tablet sometime next year with some crazy resolutions for the screen.

but until then i will keep the prime.

on a side note, if the GPS issue is not address by Jan 24, i think i would have to return the prime and get myself a different tablet or perhaps an exchange for another prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] di11igaf:
I did know know that the actual YouTube app even on HD only plays at 480p but if you view the video in my post on YouTube.com, and set it to 1080p, I don't see how its not 1080p(its broadcasting 1080p, even though our screen resolution isn't that high). My only point was that even though it is flash, even a single core snapdragon with neon will play that 1080 video, while a dual core tegra 2 will not and the tegra 3 with neon instructions will. Just showing that neon does help greatly with multimedia functions-even flash(and especially mathematical calculations and algorithm's-which explains higher linpack scores with processors with better neon support)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
right before I got my Ipad, I bought an Archos 7IT. had it for only 1-2 days before I returned it. It couldn't connect to my win mo 6.5 rhodium aka Tilt2 using my wifi router app. At that time that was my only source of internet connection. It uses ad-hoc to give out connection. The archos couldn't recognize it because it's wifi doesn't support it. It only supported infrastructure mode, I believe. That device was useless to me if I couldn't get internet access on it. so I toke ie back and bought the iPad a few days later. I even tested iPad out in Apple store to make sure it could connect to my phone through ad hoc tethering methods. It did as it supported ad hoc and infrastructure tethering/internet connections. I have high speed wireless internet now though:D

Plus that guy Charbox, archos mascot, thinks every device from archos is the best..lol he over does the enthusiasm on new archos releases smh
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ciddy:
Good post. So far after 3 days using it I have to say I'm shocked about how poorly evolved HC is and Asus better get that ICS update ready now and it better deliver.

The home tabs are smooth, but I also feel that the Wifi is not where it should be, as even though it shows about the same signal strength as my Galaxy S2 does, the speed of the connection is notably slower. Might also be because it's not rooted and loading all the crap flash banners in websites. Of course it's a metal case, what do we expect? It works ok for me.

In general, I get quite too much flickering from the screen, as in small graphics glitches in the boot screen, parts of the screen being not/re- rendered for a split second in the Music player etc etc.

The keyboards are all shockingly slow compared to the SGS2. In general the device cannot stand a direct comparison in OVERALL smoothness against the Galaxy S2, and I have to say, this totally bums me out.

I predominantly got it for media playback and web, it does that well, but it needs to smoothen up MASSIVELY. It's like Nvidia added that fifth administration core and totally underpowered it as there always seems to be a big "starting up the massive four core power engine now..." lag.

Also, the lack of Tablet-adapted apps is quite shocking; Pretty much none of my pre-purchased apps are actually adapted, and I'm referring mostly to the big ones, like Player Pro or even Facebook...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] 2fastkuztoms:
Gamestop call me to cancel my preorder because they're not gonna bring them to Puerto Rico, newegg pre-order still on hold, chat with a CS today and told have no info on ETA....

Think going to give up on the prime and start looking to CES '12.... :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] agtitan:
... just like Honeycomb was supposed to be the "fix all" for tablets that were using Gingerbread.

I'm sure in a couple months, people will be complaining of all the problems with Ice Cream Sandwich, and people will be saying "Jelly Doughnut" will resolve all the Ice Cream Sandwich problems!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ravynmagi:
I'm holding out for Kiwi Cheesecake
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You're totally right, both memory bandwidth and the GPU have improved. But not nearly as much as the core. In all their promoting of the chip, Nvidia focused on raw horsepower and all the leaked video showed Teg3 playing games which is, without a doubt, where it's strongest. Nvidia, in both Teg2 and Teg3, added additional OpenGL calls that let app developers tap the strength of their chips. TegraZone games use those additional calls to improve their performance. Gaming after all is Nvidia’s core competency.

Things like the UI, transitions, and the browser are less impacted by raw horsepower and more by the GPU and memory bandwidth. So while the core has improved dramatically, memory b/w and the GPU have improved incrementally. If you compare the Prime to any Teg2 tablet it's hands down an all-around improvement and will outperform all of them. Compared to expectations I think that's where people are feeling a little let down.

I really hadn't dug deep in to the way Android handles graphics until the Teg3 launched. When I compare chips, from now on I'm going to look hard at the GPU, memory bandwidth, and low-level graphics acceleration. Outside of video playback and gaming, they've turned out to be just as important as raw horsepower.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
very well put. thanks for the info. puts things more into perspective now. very good chance peoples expectations on these newer 2gb ram,higher resolution, etc. won't be met also. especially since its always so high. time will tell once they are released.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
if they bump up the resolution and the RAM nothing changed theyre just back to where they started they need to only bump up RAM and not touch the resolution, the prime screen looks amazing doesnt need anything more
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
Spot on. Check this out: http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/15/2637324/verizon-droid-xyboard-8-2-and-10-1-review

While I will talk a lot of crap about the Xyboard and don't think it's anywhere as good a tablet as the Prime is, The Verge does note under the Performance and Battery Life section that the Xyboard does have smoother browser performance than the Prime. Based on other reviews, it is a bit smoother than the Prime in certain navigation areas like the browser. What kinda GPU is it packing? No less than the PowerVR SGX540, which to my knowledge is just a little less powerful than what the iPad 2 has.

I have come to the same conclusion after doing a lot of research that things like UI fluidity, transitions, and browser performance are heavily dependent on the GPU and memory capabilities. It's odd, because I always thought that the only thing that really needed to rely on the GPU was games, but my research has shown me otherwise. So, the Prime totally excels at games because of its CPU power, but things like UI fluidity and browser performance are still not totally smooth (edit: this is imo, a lot of people will find the Prime to be smooth enough, I'm just anal because I deal with a laggy HTC Sensation every day and really desire a smooth UI) because of the GPU and bottlenecks to it. I can't wait till we can see the marriage of great GPUs with great CPU capabilities.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ipswitch:
cmon you didnt have 1 legit thing to offer, 25 ft 1bar, BS. Lag, BS, i am running it right now against my wifes ipad 2 and its leaving it in the dust in every aspect.

The only thing I will give you is hers is more saturated looking and it ends there.

out performs the Asus in benchmark testing......were on your apple forum, evry other bench mark test has Asus faster, so were do you get your info from your mate in the cube next to you at apple.

Wow the whole lag thing has me LMAO, do you know what lag is????

I have to ask because it doenst sound like it?

were did you demo it again at your board meeting at apple?

you just sound ignorant when you come with such silly results.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] doeboy711:
Well thankfully he returned it and will no longer be apart of the TP community
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
as much as i hate HC, tablets were never meant to be running 2.x, so HC was rushed to meet a demand for OEM's to sell a product so they could compete in the tablet market.

HC is a buggy, rushed mess, that HOPEFULLY ICS will help with. so far, most alpha build of it running on other devices looks promising.

the release of source for ICS compared to the closed source HC should also help with development from the community, which we all know does better work than anyone at asus or google in regards to optimization.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] cjbailey75:
I'm with you brother.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
I never really understood this hate for Honeycomb.

Sure it was a little slow, instable, and had a lot of force close but it's a phenomenal departure from Gingerbread.

The new framework is gorgeous, fast and easy to use, basic applications are very good and so on.

I mean ICS is nothing more than the final version of Honeycomb and everyone are saying it's night and day between it and gingerbread. The biggest leap forward in Android history was with Honeycomb, hands down, it brought so much to the table while still rethinking the entire user experience of Android that you have to admire the Android team who managed to rushed out such a big release in a very limited amount of time.

Seriously, If you put aside the slow and buggy browser what do you really have left to hate about honeycomb (3.2) ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
i love honeycomb from a UI perspective i love it alot i think the best UI on the market for any OS what i hate about it is they promised hardware acceleration which they did they just didn't do it well!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Evo_Shift:
Honestly, I am nervous about dropping $500 on a device that seems to have about 50% of the forum posting negative comments on the quality. I will be within the return window during CES so if something better is coming soon and I have even one minor problem with mine I will return the Prime. The keyboard dock is a huge reason I want this though so whatever is coming would have to be comparable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] adiliyo:
going by the first generation of tablet's, no one makes anything comparable to the dock that asus makes, personally, i don't see this changing much in the future.

as for the HC ui, personally, i'm nota big fan of all the lame tron styling in it, there are also multiple inconsistencies in the general design of the UI as well.

the biggest issue i have is it runs like **** on hardware that should have no issues moving homescreens around. that and it being closed source because google knew their latest version (at the time) was a pile of poorly coded ****.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] NastroGlide:
I've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting to get a tab. This will be it. I heard of the new samsung that may be, possibly, probably, could be, might be, sometime in the kind of near future coming out. Then I read it will have a dual core...that was it for me. Going to get a Prime and be done with it. Can't wait for ICS on this bad boy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
Even though I started this thread and I'm not getting a Prime, I think that ICS will improve the Prime by a good margin. Yes, it's not the second coming, but it is a good improvement. I'm running the only pure AOSP ICS beta for the Sensation, and it is WORLDS smoother than any Gingerbread ROM I ever ran, Sense-based and AOSP included. And this is just a beta with a lot of kinks to be worked out, and it's just based on a very early leak, so I can't imagine what full builds that are based on later leaks will be like. I know Gingerbread>ICS isn't the same as Honeycomb>ICS, but I'll be surprised if ICS doesn't at least improve the Prime by a small degree.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] qwertylesh:
well just Sense > AOSP alone is worlds apart in terms of performance, thanks for shining some light on what to expect from AOSP ICS, sounds very promising :D

@kokusho i kind of agree, sure its more resource intensive and the early builds were not so stable, but its a fantastic tablet OS, I use it daily and Ive been happy with froyo gingerbread and honeycomb.

Froyo is when android started to get real good IMO and ginger improved on that a lot too, given that HC is the tablet iteration of them I never expected it to be as snappy.

ICS hopefully will be the best of both worlds that we're all hanging out to use complete versions of :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] r3dd09:
ICS will not only improve the prime in general, but will also give us developers more tools to work with... hopefully ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
If you think clearly about it it is just ridiculous. If they even fail at testing a GPS I don't want to know what else they "forgot" to test, not sure if I am gonna get one or wait on a fully functional device at the CES.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tbns:
I do wonder how an issue like this slips by. Never worked for the corporate world, so I don't know - are the testing facilities so artificial that an issue like this wouldn't show up when they are testing the device? Did none of the engineers take a prototype home, turn off WiFi, and check to make sure GPS worked?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gregnetz18:
I'm thinking about returning it and getting the samsung 7.7
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
My guess is it didnt slip by, they simply let it slide, for the sake of pushing it out on christmas with a dodgy last minute version of honeycomb.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
I gave up beacase the reason I wanted to change was to get sth that is not worse than my current Transformer. Right now it looks like TF201 might be worse in some (unfortunately important to me) cases.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
This sucks. I want to keep this tablet. I really do. They're just making it so hard to justify it. The GPS issue stinks, but I really don't care about GPS on a tablet, so I'm fine with that. The WIFI, on the other hand, is very important. I was in denial that there was really an issue with it, as general browsing in my small apartment is fine, but I got around to doing some tests today, and I am not pleased.

Using the speedtest.net app, I consistently get about 15-20 Mbps on my iPad1, 8-15 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus, and about 3-5 Mbps on my Transformer Prime. Yuck.

In addition to that, I tested by transferring a large file over my home network from my PC to my devices using FTP, and it peaked at about 4 Mbps on the Transformer Prime and hit 8 Mbps on my Galaxy Nexus. YUCK.

I'm going to try and get to a buddy's house today to do some distance tests, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be pleased with the results.

I really do love everything else about this tablet, but this just really sucks. What good is a tablet with crappy wifi?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] impactsto:
It's funny I share many of the views of you guys here. I was all ready for the Prime. I had a gray one plus dock on order and I was excited to see it shipped. Then there was talks of delay, people getting DOA units/malfunctioning units, etc I canceled my order. I am sure glad I did!

I think this was certainly rushed through development to try and get a late first quarter launch and Asus dropped the ball. I hate to see all the apologist come out and defend a company who could care less about them or their product. With CES looming around the corner I think we will see much more advanced devices with new features about to be launched. Let's face it, excluding the processor that gets so-so feedback, what is "next gen" on the Prime? I think i bought into the benefit of a quad core processor before really seeing any results. For me, when I added everything up, it made more sense to wait and see what's coming than jump on something that I could end up regretting.

My wife and I got the original iPad the day they came out and quite honestly have not had any issues. It's been dropped on marble floors, left in the trunk of a car for a week in the middle of summer, and all around abused since we received them. Despite this, no complaints here. No issues with wifi or screen bleed. No massive lag or problems. I am not advocating Apple but, it seems that some companies can launch a "new device" and not have the issues that seem to plague this launch.

So, I will wait and see what the future brings. The Prime just seems like something that will be forgotten about in a month or two and that is not worth a $500+ investment for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brachiopod:
Well, I'm not giving up, but I have not bought one yet and might not for a while. Just as the TF 101 had trouble in the first few months and was expensive, I expect the same with the Prime. I'll just wait a while and enjoy my perfectly functioning TF 101 until the Prime is ready for prime time. I've learned my lesson buying things as soon as they are released, not just with ASUS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Everyone makes it seem like this a life decision, like buying a house. Asus will make as many Prime's as there are people to buy them. Once there's some competition prices will probably drop too.

If you're a 100% satisfied and are sure this is the device you want to own for a year, keep it. If you're unsure, return it while you can and see what your options end up being after all the CES announcements in a couple of days. You can always re-buy the Prime again later if you don't like what’s announced or you don't want to wait if the launches are many months away. And if you re-buy it, later builds may have some of the initial QC issues worked out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
2 months ago i sold my transformer1 because i wanted the transformer2.

Now i changed my mind... i'm gonna wait for the true 2nd generation android tabs: higher res, way faster dual/quad cores (texas instruments, samsung) , fullhd hdmi.

And another thing: i hate the fact that the transformer has a nvidia chip. Due to nvidias closed nature its harder for devs to build roms based on aosp.

Acer a700 is one of the tablets i prefer above the transformer (also tegra3 unfortunally)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GCurry:
I haven't given up on the Prime. But I did send mine back and erased Prime-lust from my brain. I plan to coolly re-evaluate when ICS is on the Prime.

Most products have a few introduction bumps. Difference n how they work through those bumps is whether the company is introducing from the customer perspective or from the engineering (or worse, financial) perspective.

The customer use perspective is the best evaluation of a product, so I'll re-evaluate the Prime after a while.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that's weird cuz I ran same tests with my Ipad and the results are flopped. prime consistently pulled faster download and upload speeds. maybe its something with your router. just as another user ended up figuring out. he had to adjust his router n network settings. something about cutting off the 5GHz channel or sonmething.

my wifi strength and signal is optimal. been connected to my high speed network since 12/22 and not once dropped connection. :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Here's a video someone posted comparing the Prime to the TF1. The issue doesn't seem to be connecting or peak speed, it appears the signal's inconsistent. That wouldn't show in web browsing and things that don't require a continuous connection. It would effect video streaming and the speed of downloads. Try downloading the same large file from your iPad and Prime to see if there's a difference.

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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
true. this is how I see it. let all the doubters, detracters, Debbie downers, n all the rest carry their a$$. developement doesn't need that kind of negativity and will more likely carry to Android developement section. nothing a developer hates more than whiners, complainers, and people who think they can always have things when they want and how they want. luckily these people will be weeded out soon enough. don't come back after CES if nothing shows to promising. to all those people, just keep it moving. Big things gonna be done in Prime section very soon. ;)

that was funny.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nyijedi:
Very interesting. Thanks for the info. Do you know what thread that was said in? I'll do a little searching and mess around a bit.

Also -- and I haven't totally confirmed this yet -- but it appears that holding the Prime vertically or horizontally affects my download speed over wifi (vertical seems faster). I still have to mess around w/ this a little more too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] abowlby:
If iPad 3 really does have a retina display, it's going to be the tats. IMO.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That makes total sense. Just like with GPS, aluminum is no friend of any wireless signal. Compare vertically with the entire face of the Prime facing the router and then the entire back. The first should get you the best results. I think someone said the Wi-Fi antennas flank the front camera. So holding it horizontally with the antennas positioned furthest from the router would probably net the poorest performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
Ces is going to bring one thing and one thing only and that is tablets that are full of lag