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[Galaxy S I9000 General] AcostaJA:
Will never buy Samsung again if they never release ICS for the Samsung galaxy, their excuses are pity.

I want the SGS with full vanilla Android 4 ICS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SKeijmel:
Its already here and it works perfect!!!!

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Besthiroeu:
Last year news are old.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SlvrWolf~XP:
I guess nobody on XDA really cares about stock ICS anymore, seeing as teamhacksung and onecosmic have obviously done some amazing work to port the delicious new Android 2 our good old SGS.

Still, the question remains: CM9 or onecosmic?

I've been using CM9 since the 7th build, tried onecosmic once but decided 2 go back 2 CM9 due to the 3G issue (fixed now, i know). i din have that much time 2 test both ROMs and words are they're equally capable. I guess I'd like 2 hear more about both ROMs to make a final decision for myself.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] -ReaL-:
In ALL CM builds (and 7 and 9) camera works awfully
[Galaxy S I9000 General] phzi:
... In CM9 latest build the camera works great on my phone. Even 720p video recording is smooth as butter, and there is timelapse which is just plain cool.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JcK1:
Well, not perfect but getting there.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NightForce:
I use the Teamhacksung build since Beta 8 and it is stable stable stable. Samsung can see how ics works on the i9000 and it works great. I haven´t any lags or reboots and this is awsome. I hope samsung see this and will work on an offical release for the I9000!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cheamzj:
Just wait for CM9...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
Let's spam their Facebook page again.

http://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Taxiozaurus:
Nice idea of spamming 'em but i don't think we will get official ICS, unless something more valuable will be made.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] avltree:
Correct, the latest to builds contain some fixes for the camera's performance.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] krutoistudent:
the only thing i miss in cm9 is a fm radio, since spirit fm or so, doesnt work with th cm9

so yea samsung sux, but thanks we have great developer
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Combie81:
Very little we can do - have signed the petition in the hope that it'll be taken into consideration by sammy....

At least r now OC and TH and others with their respective teams are working on custom ported versions to keep us entertained for now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Aerofreak360:
screw complaining, petitions or custom roms ftw. RC3.1 is awesome
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ArRoChO:
And b14 cm9 is awesome :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wGRV:
but still battery life sucks, i don't blame our devs, they are working day and night to make it more stable ...its Samsung's responsibility to grant users most stable firmware ...I don't think still Samsung has anything left to prove that they are superior than Apple, it is Google that everybody should be thankful to them!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ranjib:
spiritFM works well with build14 here!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Aerofreak360:
to be honest, i've noticed little difference, im on my phone alot and even at stock firmware i was charging most days anyways, but ig RC4.0 comes out and says the battery has been improved then happy days lol
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pxrave:
dont complain on ics this is only beta & rc not a final

i hope samsung will rls a ics rom so some devs can use some data easier ;)

hope the devs can do a real final stable wo blazing my ass of ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MrAndroid12:
Battery drain is another native android issue like in 2.3.3. I still find it funny how 2.2.1/2.2.3 doesn't have battery bug while gingerbread takes 2.3.4/2.3.5 to be upto par with 2.2's minor battery drain
[Galaxy S I9000 General] babu39:
its sad

Y samsung wont release ics

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Me too i cant beleive them
[Galaxy S I9000 General] stenc55:
Hi!

I asked Samsung UK about ICS, and told them it runs better on my phone then GB (Onecosmic's).

Their answer was:

SGS IS capable of running ICS.

SGS IS NOT capable of running ICS + Touchwiz 4.0 due to weak HW.

So, since Samsung will NOT release ICS withouth Touchwiz, there will not be any official ICS from Samsung. No petition or spamming FB will help.

Anyone that want to run ICS on SGS will have to run Onecosmic's or Teamhackung.

Personally, I don't miss Touchwiz or Samsung bloatware, I'm 100% satisfied with pure ICS on my phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MrAndroid12:
They said it is because there is not enough space in system partition to implement ICS along with touchwiz, not weak hardware
[Galaxy S I9000 General] djpaul79:
Also for me ICS UI is more beautiful than GB pure UI so TW is not so necessary as in GB rom.

That's my personal opinion. The problem is that we will not have an ICS kernel, I'm not a programmer but I think is not the same thing to run ICS on GB kernel.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] avi26234:
I think that i would never buy Samsung again!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MrAndroid12:
MAN STOP BEING SO CHILDISH!!!!!

AKA: "I AM NOT GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU ANYMORE" P.S primary 1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sernex:
I am happy with Onecosmic's ICS Port. Never had a ROM from Samsung that fast.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Edris89:
well gotta use custom made roms then.

damn samsung for this
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wGRV:
Maybe he is right, who wants to live with ugly touchwiz UI with ICS ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SlvrWolf~XP:
I've tried Onecosmics and CM9 and are happy with both of those ROMs and I doubt Samsung could have done a better job. But the point is we as consumers should be entitled to a proper after sales service, rather than relying on some hardworking developers to dedicate their free time so that we could have better softwares....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] elandune:
the most sold model and no ICS... nice samsung....nice...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iLite:
Good for i9000 for having ISC from dev teams....

....my i9001 will not get even that in the near future..:mad:

....its forgotten
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mekawendie:
dammit, twz 4 :/
[Galaxy S I9000 General] stenc55:
Thank you for contacting Samsung.

In regards to your enquiry please be advised that ICS will not work on

the Galaxy S with both Touchwiz 4.0 and ICS. The phone can support ICS

on its own, but does not have enough processing power to support both

Touchwiz, and ICS.

Please be advised that warranty on this device is now invalid. I am

sorry for any inconvenience.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MrAndroid12:
Custom launcher?

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Weired this is, isn't touchwiz just some framework and launcher modifications?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] apsoogos4ever:
I want you guys whas the difference on ics and gingerbread eg 2.3.6...is it only the enviroment?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] netespl:
I hope there will be stable ICS build from other devs. I don't need Touchwiz and Samsung mercy at all.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zimbilik:
Just be patient. Soon we'll have a smooth stable ICS without crappy TW
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kellermanv:
+1 for i9001 being forgotten!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NightSky256:
Hey guys, just try for a moment to think as being Samsung manager...

Upgrade or not SGS to ICS ?

A) NO: those fu**ing anoying guys on fb and xda will not buy a new Samsung with ICS on, they write petitions and spam on my shiny fb page, and i won't spend a cent for developing a smaller twiz or to port ICS on i9000, if someone is going to buy a new Samsung Android phone with ICS he will buy ANOTHER Samsung phone, becouse of i9000 is no more sold (or will be soon)

B) YES: those fu**ing anoying guys on fb and xda are happy now, they will buy another Samsung, but not now because of they are happy with their own SGS upgraded to the lastest shining Android Version, i spend a lot of money to port ICS on a terminal that noone will buy anymore becouse there are other younger Samsung terminals.

What is the common ? those fu**ing anoying guys WILL NOT BUY A NEW SAMSUNG NOW ANYWAY !

The simple truth is that you have already paid Samsung. They are happy for this, they are happy if you need ics and buy ANOTHER samsung with ICS on it, but your happiness having a 2 years old phone upgraded as a new one, will not pay a cent to Samsung !

They are an enterprise, and an enterprise mission is to make money.

(i'm not telling you that the world we live in is right... just that is rotating in this way... sad or not.)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wGRV:
meh...those fu**ing anoying guys are samsung's future! If they write anything bad abt Samsung, I m sure they will write something good about Samsung once ICS is released w/o TWz !
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ricnar456:
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Spend a lot of money for eight months in the best cell at that time with FM radio and digital television.

Samsung said just eight months SGS1 is the best and laughed at Apple.

Now eight months later, my phone is an old piece of **** and to be updated I have to put an ICS without FM radio and TV DIGITAL. Also lose my warranty

If SAMSUNG update when my contract ends I will buy a SGS3, if not update going to change to another brand is simple, and 20 million loyal users lost is a great loss.

ricnar

The work of the mods is impressive and will be perfect and I am grateful and admired them. Without any obligation and consuming their free time doing the work to be undertaken by samsung.

PD:Sorry i'm not speak in english
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
The difference lies in what happens when our contracts our up though. I would have been looking to buy the next Samsung. However, after this treatment I will NEVER buy a Samsung phone again. I will never buy any Samsung product again. And I will use all my 'tech guy' leverage on my friends and family who ask me about tech to make sure they NEVER buy ANYTHING from Samsung again. I hate them for what they have done and I will make sure that, for me at least, what they have done will cost them far more than if they had provided the update.

I encourage all other users to do the same.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] patr0:
Why so much drama?My phone is working great, yours?

Why shoul I not buy a Samsung phone again?

Look at this:

What Samsung did wrong

- not upgrading an 2 years old phone that is not going to be on sale for more than 1 year from now tops

What Samsung did good

-Providing us continously with top of the line products like the s2

-Developed the best display technology on the market (Amoled,Superamoled...)

-Great battery life for a smartphone

-Amasing design for their handsets (tho choosing the materials is not their strong point)

I bought my i9000 6 months ago because this is the best I could aford at that time and I was aware that given the specs of the latest phones there was a good chance not to get the next android version but I still love my phone, I still use it to it's full potential and I enjoy the hell out of it.

Also, why would you want to get ICS with bugs (cause they are alot and will be there for some time an all samsung roms) when you have a verry stable, bugfree, full of features Gingerbred rom that works like a charm (jvu)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kaynpayn:
Well, it's not like you have a choice, if you want less bugs, since they aren't updating, now do you? And keep in mind samsung never actually delivered a bug-free gingerbread version for SGS. The charging bug is still very real to me regardless what people say, among others.

So yes, i am pissed at samsung. I still love my phone and even with some bugs the current ICS roms are amazing (big thanks to every developer out there) but most likely won't buy another samsung again because of this. They need to know they can't just screw up their customers without some sort of payback.

Seriously dislike apple but this much is real, they update their models until it's not technically possible any more - even if they aren't expecting anyone to buy an old model anymore and make money out of it. And this is commendable.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] FiresStream:
personally i don't mind mind that Samsung is not making official ICS release. Been on Onecosmics for some time allready and it feels good. Just sad that Darky wont make any ICS roms for SGS anymore :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
Because the Galaxy S is capable of running ICS and they have chosen not to release it. My phone only deserves to stop being supported when it is out of date. It is only out of date when it is incapable of running the latest software. Samsung have chosen to make my phone out of date before it's time. It really is very simple.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] patr0:
I realy did liked his roms but now I noticed he dosen't have much time to spend on his s1 projects

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As far as we know the galaxy S can handle stock ICS, we don't know anything about ICS+TouchWizz and suff. They can't start removing features once they offered them in previous releases to increase performance.

I don't think that samsung doesn't releases ICS because they simply don't want to,I think it just doesn't meet their requirements
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jbrugger:
The thing is, if a company wants to grow and keep earning money (also in the future), they have to keep their customers satisfied.

So, it's all about managing expectations. If Samsung has a policy to update/support a version of their phones for 2 or 3 years, and it's known, it's acceptable.

Everyone would buy a new one after the mentioned time, and still be happy.

Now we're not certin, and we're expecting this phone to be compatible (and if not, Samsung will get a bad image).

Like said before, it's about managing the expectations, if they are the same as expected, all will be fine.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
lobotomized or what??

I can't believe there are people out there who believe samsung when they say sgs can't run ICS with their modifications :D. Its is so mind-numbing ridiculous i can't even believe there are people that can say such idiotic things and not get smitten by god or something :D.

Second thing i want to say to all corporate lobotomized brains on this forum is that sgs actually got only ONE ( 1 ) update!!! When i first got sgs it was running 2.1 android when already others were getting their updates to 2.2 so meaning sgs should have come out with 2.2 from the fing start ( anyone remember skype not working cause even they expected sgs to come with 2.2 ). If u think that was an update samsung could have started with 1.6 and upgrade to 2.2 and say they gave u 7 updates?!!??! And if someone thinks going from 2.3.5 to 2.3.6 is update then all i can say omfg!!!!!! That's not an update that's optimization and bugfixing!!!!!!

First time i realized that samsung feels comfortable enough to start fing their customers is when they said tw4 cant work on sgs but when i tried it on darkyroms it turned out to be the fastest launcher i tried on sgs. And it was a patchwork port :D. Not a fan of any brand but next phone that i plan to have for a while is probably not gonna be samsung if they continue to f their customers like this. And trust me if u say others are no better so u have no choice u can allways decide to spend your money on something other then a cellphone...

All i want to say is samsung should realize they need to start behaving nicer to their customers or they are going to see a decline in their sales just like they are seeing now with people buying iphone 4S even though sgs2 is a better phone. People want support and they get that from apple ( personally hate anything apple cause of apple fanboy r*tards and apples policy to restrict and dumb-down anything they can and a lot off quality issues with a lot of their products)

And to all of you who say that they don't care for official updates cause we have devs who develop custom roms is do u think u will ever have camera working as well as on custom ICS roms as it did with gingerbread official drivers? And why should those devs do samsungs job for them? Does samsung pay them?

Anyway sry for such a long and meaningless post but just had to went after reading some posts on this thread. GL HF :o
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ricnar456:
I think the same and agree 100% only i don't speak english and can not explain well.

Each word are exactly I think.

The devs work is awesome but without the drivers, my camera, fm radio, and tv digital, don't work properly or partially, and is a samsung fault.

ricnar
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
Thanks for the technical info. So if they released it without the Samsung bloatware it would work right? That's not out of the question, since it's what the customers want (and it would cost them less as they wouldn't have to develop and test touchwiz). HTC did it by the looks of it with sense:

http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/24/htc-and-telstra-will-dump-sense-ui-in-favour-of-stock-gingerbread-android-for-the-htc-desire/
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
What is Samsung "Bloatware" ? Do you mean Aldiko Ebook reader ? Layar samsung ? Samsung All Share ? ThinkFreeOffice ? Ok, most of them can be remove but we only gain some space on /system. The Touchwizz framework is deeper in the system (Look the difference between AOSP 2.3.x Music player, Video Player, SMS/MMS, SNS Integration, Dialer, etc. etc. and Samsung one) and remove all these thing will give you.. Onecosmics 4.0.3 ROM !

Most of unofficial ICS ROM's problems are drivers and/or API related. I'm very confident that many chipmakers have made Samsung signed a NDA (A non-disclosure agreement) as it's a common practice in this business (I've already do that for some RAID card drivers) that disallow Samsung to publish data about some components.

If Samsung makes a nearly AOSP ROM, we could catch some hints in kernel sources, perhaps some fresh drivers and a good base to custom ROM. But, I won't blame Samsung to not doing this :

_ I saw many ROM from April 2010 in Eclair 2.1 to the latest JVU build in late Dec 2011, even the flagship smartphone slipped to SGS2

_ Samsung delivered in a reasonable time the Kernel source for 2.2.x and 2.3.x when official release were done through Kies.

When you said "since it's what the customers want" about removing bloatware, are you sure that majority of SGS owners really want that ? We're on XDA, we don't really represent the typical "SGS owner", most of them use Kies (when they have installed it!) and most of them like their SGS and it works great for a Q2 2010 Smartphone in 2.3.6.

HTC have made a light ROM, but it seems that it was a wrong idea (I don't own one, I've read it on some forum). It's somehow strange that the Desire have no problem with 2.2 + Sense and have many (RAM and Flash) with 2.3.x, because the delta between 2.2 and 2.3 is less in features and "space" (RAM + Flash) than 2.3 to 4.0. So sense have the same problem that Touchwizz, so blaming Samsung when HTC face the same problem is somehow "funny".
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
Out of the customers who want an upgrade, most of them would prefer it to be AOSP (and therefore run well, a la Nexus S). They are capable of developing this, aren't they? So in my opinion, they have failed to offer a support option that they could have delivered.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] patr0:
And how would they release this rom? Trough kies ,a program any cusomer can use to update to ICS and lose features that they payed for, like touchwizz, allshare, aldiko, etc. ?

I don't think they can just post a link to it on xda :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
konjRR, I want to complain about Samsung not giving us the rom but I still want to hear opposing views from other people. Slane's post seemed well informed and quite reasonable (he was saying Samsung can't release the drivers, not that they can't use them).

I still think they could have released it without the bloatwareand just explain it doesn't have it. Then people who actually want that crap could choose not to upgrade. They could have made everyone happy. Instead, they have lost me as a customer.

So, what are all of the limitations the xda developers suffer from developing outside of Samsung (e.g. not having binaries for drivers, does that mean they have to make their own and they are worse?)

How well does current ICS for S1 work compared to Nexus S. How close will custom roms get to Nexus S functionality and how long will it take roughly?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
I've just been reading through this thread and saw this post and had to comment.

I am sorry, but I think it you are being a bit bloody precious if Samsung have lost you as a customer simply because, at this stage at least, they aren't doing an official ICS for the SGS1. The device is what, 2 years old? ICS is THE LATEST version, made and optimized for new devices with better hardware etc. There has been brilliant support for FroYo, GB etc on this device, and I see no problem with the not supporting an official ICS for it.

You also have to look at it from the manufacturers point of view. If they continually release the lastest software for even the older devices, why would anyone buy a new phone?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Device is ONE AND A HALF, that is 1.5 years, on the market but it still beeing sold so to some people IT IS BRAND NEW.

ICS has been optimized PERIOD. It works better on all the phones it has been properly ported to than previous versions of android!!!

It has been perfectly optimized for HUMMINGBIRD!!!

I never saw that brilliant support you are talking about and all versions of froyo and gingerbread still have unresolved issues for a lot of people. Hence a lot of custom rom usage. Since u probably don't have sgs i guess a lack of support would be no problem for you.

Since i am not trying to sell anything to samsung why in the hell would i have to look at anything from their point of view?

Do you maybe buy a new pc just to get new windows??????? Well tell me do you?!?!?!?!?!? No u buy new pc to get better HARDWARE. Same applies to smartphones.

Now stop complaining about people complaining about no ics on sgs on a thread that is meant for people to complain about no ics on sgs. thx