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[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
What is technical speak?? What kind of speak is that?

Did i say it was more then one??? I didn't. Try and read again.

It doesn't eat much ram at all and there are no constraints in using your phone. Try it and see.

And i didn't say it is same and as easy.

You should try and actually read my post.

I am not stupidly complaining about drivers. I just said that official rom has much better camera than custom ICS will probably ever have. Is that statement maybe wrong?? Do you know what a statement is?

Did i say samsung should release any source code?

Does releasing anything mean it has to be open source?

That is not a stupid post it is the only way you can try and get support from a company that is refusing to give it. If u have a better way plz pretty plz share it.

Don't know why i should read something ten thousand times but i am aware of how much ram sgs has. But that will still leave plenty of ram for apps to use and would not effect user experience in any way. If u want to play games with higher requirements you perhaps need better hardware and its time to upgrade. Don't know if u play on your pc but exactly the same situation.

But plz tell me how much more ram does ICS use than gingerbread exactly??? U talk about it but never give the numbers.

But i would gladly sacrifice 40 ram for ICS. And most people would i am sure ask them.

ICS has better ram management. That much free ram is enough for all "regular" apps to run unimpeded and if you are a serious gamer on your SGS maybe you will not upgrade to ics? I am sure nobody will force you. Or maybe you should by a more powerful phone like SGSII but you talk about gaming way to much. For everything else user experience would be improved. Just the new browser trumps all of your "possible" problems.

Not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. Probably you don't know either but samsung can implement all that has to be in that rom but apps and the rest can be downloaded through samsung apps application afterwards. That should shrink rom size considerably and wouldn't impact you user experience to much?

Partition size can always be changed its just matter of do you know how to do it. And why are you talking about internal sdcards?

Whats TeamHacksung got to do with anything??

Data can be backed up and recovered. Kies can be upgraded to do whatever needs to be done.

NS already HAS ICS.

Why are you saying we have custom ICS? Do you mean to say since we have custom ICS we don't need an official one?

I am sure everybody here is aware there are many more powerful phone on the market now with more ram and rom and..... Why do you repeat it all the time?

The only reason SGS will not have an official ICS is because samung want's you to buy a new phone every year. It seems to me that you are fine with it because you dig up any reason you can and no matter how easy to solve the problem you make it sound impossible. It is not. :eek:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
Maybe some people are satisfied with samsung supporting their sgs from 2.1 up to 2.3 and they don't need any more updates, but that doesn't apply to other variants which came out later, especially the i9001 which is a relatively new phone and is unsupported , and honestly i don't give a flying f**k about samsung's low ram excuses.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BlitterTwisted:
Ranting on about no ICS from Samsung is a real waste of energy.

Standard Samsung ROMS are ugly looking in many areas (the SMS app and widgets) and have known freezing/performance issues. My SGS was a million times better when upgraded to CM7.

Which brings me onto CM9 which I am now running. Just install that, you get ICS without any Samsung crap and since Build 13 it's been almost perfect. It's a stunning phone.

Samsung won't release a stock version of ICS because they have their frameworks and UI as a way to differentiate themselves from the other Android makers. They won't release a ROM without this. I don't agree with this, but it's a fact.

It's a pity that Android is like this, but that's the way it is. There is another smartphone manufacturer that does official upgrades for a couple of years, even supporting older handsets, but they are a dirty word round here :)

The SGS is a great piece of hardware it just needs the right OS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Don't say there is no hope for official ICS and ranting about it can help.

Remember SE X10. By ranting they got themselves official gingerbread and changed how SE behaves a lot. So it might work if people badmouth samsung enough they might realize that it would be a cheap commercial to just make the update.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BlitterTwisted:
But why would you want it now? I can understand this thread happening before Teamhacksung started making ICS releases - but now we have that as an option it's a better way to go than anything Samsung will release.

I'm not trying to wind you all up - if you will only use Samsung ROMS on your phone then I guess you'll have to keep shouting at Samsung. But there is another way :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
U could have argued the same thing about ginger update :D why should samsung bother when u can use cm7?

Its not as simple as u put it. But its just i prefer to use customized stock roms like darky for example. I get all the options + increased performance and stability...

And its easier to make custom roms for teamhacksung and onecosmic if there is an official rom out there :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Shuryou:
I think they should release it even if they had to take out some of the features that wouldn't work on our device.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
So did you miss the part where you previous ridiculous rant reply to my post got deleted? Sorry for being 6 months wrong in regards to how old the phone is, but my point is still relevant. It is an old device and Samsung have superseded it with a newer, superior device.

Also another point I made was that who really cares if Samsung aren't supporting it? Some of the brilliant dev's on this site have ported it to SGS successfully, so what's the big deal?

I know heaps of people who have SGS and because they aren't interested in modifying or having the latest stuff so they can brag online, they are more than happy. They get the updates that are officially issued, end of story. Personally on my SGS (which yes I do have one, unlikely your stupid assumption) I have been running a stock JVQ 2.3.4 with no issues, and I know other people in similar boats.

I don't get the "I am not trying to sell to Samsung" crap you are spouting. They are a business... They have so far provided the updates that they said they would, but they have a business to run and money to make. Of course they are going to want people to buy the newer, better version. It is common sense mate, really.

Why are you so agro about this? There is solutions to your problem available on this site. You seem to get so worked up and use CAPITAL letters and ridiculous amounts of unnecessary punctuation marks when really this isn't that big of a deal. If the only thing in your life you have to worry about is a manufacturer not supporting the latest software on your outdated phone, your life my must pretty good. Or empty.

Sorry to everyone else for this rant, I was just trying to put across a different side of the story and this guy, like has been his style through this thread, jumped down the throat of people who don't agree with him.

---------- Post added at 07:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:07 AM ----------

I agree mate, this is what I was trying to say earlier. Problem is solved so stop making a big deal out of a minor problem. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
As I understand it, the custom rom developers are being held back by not having a base Samsung ROM to start with? Even if they are more talented than Samsung engineers (and I suspect they are), they are missing things that Samsung engineers would have provided e.g. binaries code for hardware such as the camera?

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the roms they make are handicapped from the start?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
Exactly.

Check CM7, it is WAY faster than the current CM9. In the CM7 they had the oportunity to use some samsung binaries etc... You open the dialing app for example, in CM7 is almost instant, in CM9 it takes almost from 2 to 4 seconds to open it. Same goes for Settings. CM9 is way smoother tough because of the GPU accelerated interface.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] edy_priyanto:
don't ever think about ICS for SGS I9000. look at the fact even SGS II just got a leaked ICS firmware and their latest toy such as Galaxy Note still receiving upgrade gingerbread version. so, don't put too much hope on that samsung will release ICS for Galaxy S devices. it's not because hardware or ram limitation that samsung won't release ICS upgrade for SGS, it's because samsung also struggle to port ICS into their latest handset and still no proper result :P
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I guess its hard for you to read and comprehend my posts. So i will try and explain.

I am not angry at or agrovated by samsung. I am angry at and agrovated by you.

Why you ask?

Because you come here and lie and then make false statements then insult then lie some more. And then worst of all you give your support to a corporation? Can i ask what is wrong with you? In what world do we live in when people start supporting and excusing corporations? I guess if you believe what you are saying you either know nothing of how a corporation operates or there is something wrong with you?

Again another voice of oppression :D

Nobody is saying samsung must update our phones tomorrow, just in a reasonable amount of time :)

And why would you tell people not to think :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
Mate I have not lied, made any false statements, or insulted anyone. You are the one throwing around insults. You are the one saying there is something wrong with me. That is far more insulting than anything I have said. There is nothing wrong with me, I am trying to have a civil conversation and just show another side of the story.

If people didn't "support" corporations like Samsung there wouldn't be corporations to make the consumable products you like. Did you think about that?

And please point out where I have lied, and what the false statements I have made are?

Seriously chill out mate, it is just a phone. If you get so angry about this sort of stuff I would hate see how you treat your girlfriend if she does something to upset you...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Again missing the point. I told you already that your mentality pissed me of :)

You lied i corrected you. Look it up its right here on this thread not far from right here on the internet map.

Now please try and google something like "corporation psychological profile" and then tell me again to support an entity that has a psychopathic profile and is run by a psychopath. And then tell me i was wrong to question your state of mind when you tell me to support a corporation or view things from their perspective. From a perspective of a psychopath? Really?

Now tell me where this world is going with people like you spreading the love for corporations? Omg just realized i am probably arguing with someone young and innocent? If that is the case i apologize for ruining your world with reality. Sry again.

I still want ICS upgrade for my mobile telephone. Hope people still believe they can influence corporations and it's not just the opposite...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Quicksilver7714:
I hate to say it but no matter how much you complain to Samsung it won't matter. There are a lot of people that want Motorola to offer phones with an unlocked bootloader. Look how far that has gone in the 1.5 years since the Droid X came out, absolutely nowhere. We have gotten absolutely no where.

About ICS and the Galaxy S, you should realize that the official build requires devices to have a dualcore processor which the S is lacking but ibhave seen some very good ICS roms running on the SGS thanks to the awesome devs.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I am aware but bootloader unlocking is something very different from upgrading to a new version of android. Reason is that an unlocked bootloader is considered something specifically meant for developers. But i still hope that u can get them to do it. And remeber no upgrade for milestone to froyo? I guess threats of lawsuits and ranting did change motos mind?

Don't know exactly what you mean by "official build requires devices to have a dualcore processor"? U state that as a requirement of ICS itself ( which couldn't be more wrong ) or you state it as a requirement set by samsung?

And by the way i am using onecosmics rc so i am aware of how awsome ICS run's on this phone and why i would like an official release. And how awesome the devs are :)

But ICS runs awesome on every phone that has been ported to so far even on some entry level droids.

p.s. just waiting for rc4 to upload....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
Remeber Google stated that every phone wich is able to run Gingerbread is capable of Ice Cream Sandwich since it has less minimum requirements.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
Is this reply for real? Jesus mate, all you can resort to is petty name calling. You really are not worth the effort mate, all you can see is your own idea's and your mind is closed to anyone else. You are a lost cause.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Shhhhhhh don't say it! Its meant for quadcores and such not our old pieces of junk!

Couldn't resist some sarcasm :D

I am confused. What "petty name calling" are you talking about?

Point it out please. I apologize if it happened.

But i still suggest u look stuff up before you commit to your love for corporations :D

Ups now i realize how you might feel offended by that post. You could say i insulted the corporations and guys who run them, even thou those clinical terms were used in studies by professionals authorized to use them. So there are two cases in which you could feel offended. You run a corporation or you are a corporation. Is that the case?

And i do believe my mind is very open unlike yours because i allow new information to enter my mind. Unlike you. Arguments and such i love. You have provided none so how do you say my "mind is closed to anyone else"?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
You don't see how questioning someone's mental capacity, especially someone you have never actually met, is insulting? I don't get why you go on about my "love of corporations" etc... I don't own/run/work in a corporation or anything like that. Nor do I love corporations. You seem like the type to just twist peoples words around so that you can make up bull**** responses that actually don't make sense.

I actually would love to see ICS officially released for the SGS. But the reason I replied is because there are a lot of people here who only think of themselves, so I wanted to throw another perspective in the mix. You love your SGS yeah? It is a great phone. If people didn't buy new products then companies like Samsung wouldn't be able to continue to develop new products. Do you understand that? That is all I am trying to say. That by encouraging people to buy their newest product they can get the capital to continue developing products. It has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of made up love for corporations.

Rehashing: I would love to see ICS offically on SGS. I can understand why it isn't because SGS is an old device and people wouldn't buy new products.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TigerCourage:
Even the 3 years old Nokia 5800 recieved a good update in October by Nokia LOL.

http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=56153.0

As long as the hardware is capable, why not? ICS has less requirements than Gingerbread so ICS + TouchWiz 4 should work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] hasanalikhattak:
i wonder if free lance developers can mmake working ICS roms when why cant samsung.

this will effect the customers as i see it :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dinagoshen:
ICS on i9000 sgs is just Super !

I have a feeling the descision made by Samsung not to release ICS to Galaxy S 1 was just to encourage people to upgrade to S2.

My sgs i9000 with ICS Onecosmic, is running way better than it did with Gingerbread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Besthiroeu:
Well Samsung says it can't.

Devs ported vanilla ICS from Nexus S. We knew before that SGS can handle that but nobody mentioned ICS with TW.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
It is not just the ICS itself that is running better. Every app i tried runs smother, faster and with less bugs.

And i think they are more afraid of ICS update for SGS affecting SGS3 sales since official update would probably be on schedule to release just before sgs3 goes on sale.

And if ICS has less requirements than ginger, if ginger + tw worked so would ics + tw. Simple logic i would assume ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bootfail:
The SGS+ is faster and younger than the SGS, so I think it would be fair to release at least a ICS update for the SGS+
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iLpirLa:
well.. you are right man but I dont think samsung would update sgs+ with ICS especially now that has announced the new SGS Advanced (a SGS+ with dual core @1ghz and led flash)

bah..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
SGS+ being faster then regular SGS is a matter of debate.

Younger it is but it was never a flagship model :D

And i agree it should definitely get ICS. :)

Maybe they should add a plus in the thread title for you galaxy s + guys?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MasterJam882:
today samsung norway officially announced that there won't be an ics update for sgs+

that means no ics for sgs as well.

greetz

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9000 mit Tapatalk
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mah100:
why ICS

why can't samsung just release a stock firmware??????????????
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pxrave:
beacause the mainstream customer want a rom like 2.3

if samsung give us vanilla ics much customers will report errors or something ;)

i want ics - so i use cm9
[Galaxy S I9000 General] amroth84:
That's definitely the reason. Being ICS faster than F or GB, I just can't believe that adding Touchwiz to ICS makes it so unbearably slow that it's not releaseable.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Chocokoops:
Samsung could make a gesture toward the community by helping them, not officially, to release a good ICS rom it would not cost much, people on XDA will have ICS no matter if it's stock or custom ROM.

I'd like to see that it will prove me that samsung can listen to an important part of its customers.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kellermanv:
For those guys who said that they are not porting ICS to Galaxy S or S+ (which is better) because of the RAM memory, check this out and next time, shut up:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9070_galaxy_s_advance-4469.php

How come this device won't have ICS 4.0 if not for pure marketing reasons ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Even though i believe we wont get ICS just because samsung "doesn't fell like it" i still don't understand whats your point with link to galaxy s advance?

And i don't agree S+ is better than S "regular" :P
[Galaxy S I9000 General] telep:
Who said it wont have ICS?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kristaman:
with the teamhacksung's CM9 we are on a good way too get ICS :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
Guys i don't know y r u still discussing it, it's obvious that samsung treats it's customers like sh*t , all big corporations do, the only thing u could do is buy google phones from now on. i left htc after what they did with the desire and 2.3 update,i thought samsung was differnt, i was wrong,so from now on i'm upgrading only to nexus, let the "mainstream people" buy samsung and htc.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Because ranting gives them bad PR which in turn can cost them money :D

And they understand money :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] paul-ac:
And??? i9070 - 768 MB RAM, i9000 and i9001 - 512 MB RAM... :confused:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] or150:
Are they still thinking about the release?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lilyana:
Thank XDA, i got ICS on my SGS. It's a costum rom, that's fine. But if u devlps, can do it, Samsung can do it too. They just want to sell SGSII, and make new money... That's not the way that they will gain costumers... They'll lose the old ones, and they're who make the best or the worse marketing. So, Samsung, Im sorry, I woudnt buy it today, not because of the phone, I love it, but because of you.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
And

And

Can you read the technicals posted some days ago before whinning ?!

Corrected : "Every phone which can run AOSP GB (so Nexus S) can run AOSP ICS". But nearly 1% of smartphone are sold with AOSP, high volumes vendors (Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Sony) have custom FRAMEWORK (not only a launcher!) added to AOSP ROM to enhance user experience. And Google, where is the ICS update for Nexus One ?

In the end, only the Hummingbird S5PC110 based with high SOLD (the 9001 is nearly 2% of the total of I900x base) Smartphone or Tablet (so I9000 and P1000) won't be upgraded. Some technicals reasons were already exposed here, but it seems that it's better to whine about business, etc. etc. and post here like posting on Facebook. But it's XDA Dev here, not Facebook.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
All you are saying here is that that a custom framework for ICS has higher spec requirement then the one made for ginger?? All i am trying to say is that none of your posts have any logic or common sense.

And you say exposed? Is this some trashy newspaper about celebrities? None of those technicals prevent ICS with samsungs framework to be made for sgs. Just to repeat for the uninformed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
I've made for myself some research about S5PC110 and OMAP 3630 when I've tried to made my own kernel for my SGS (I9000) and SGS SL (I9003) to find out why two advertised 512Mb Smartphone have nearly a 125-130 Mb difference in base RAM. I've learned a lot here about pit files and space constraints with some useful posts (by Ramad). I already know about memory management because my previous job I've already faced these problems under BSD with 64 to 128Mb network appliance, but LMK posts where also very instructive to see impact of Low Ram in Android.

Some people have changed their mind about the problem of made ICS Samsung with Touchwizz to keep the same user experience after my 2 posts, and it's all that I wanted to. Now, if

YOU

are unable to understand some technical hints about RAM, space constraints, unable to understand that AOSP ROM is a different user experience that Samsung ROM, unable to see what a Framework is, unable to acknowlegde that Samsung can deliver all drivers sources (NDA), etc. etc. I don't really care.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Again and again you talk about random technical stuff as if it's an argument for something, and as if none of us understand your how do you masterfully call it "technical speak".

You can't do that in a normal discussion. You sound like one of those "your argument is invalid" posts on 9gag.com.

You have to "connect the dots" and you seem to be unable to do that. It's not my fault you fail to make an argument and that you are incorrect in your statements.

So again i will state the obvious and that is that ICS with samsungs framework can be made for sgs, and the other versions of it. It would have awsome "user experience". Done. Bye.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Nitro_123:
Same here

What you have said is bloody true. Updates were kept up from 2.1 to 2.3.6

And now we can use cm9 or the ICS ports lying around in the dev forum

Just my 2 cents :D