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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jazzneel:
I love my gsII, but I do wish that the location services were better...my sister's iPhone can lock on to where you are indoors or outdoors (without wifi) within 5 seconds and have it be very accurate...

On my GSII, with the new EK02 + the gpsclrx, my gps is now amazing, locks on pretty fast, but only outdoors (or very close to a window). If I'm in someone's house indoors and I want to get directions, I have to put in the address, because the "use wireless networks" or gps can't locate me...(at least within a mile)

With that technology, an HD screen, and for me personally, a tiny bit smaller screen (4.3" is perfect for me), a tad bit thinner (like the droid razr), a little better battery life, this phone would be perfect! (and with ICS of course..)

I had the galaxy s as well, and the updates for that weren't the best, but at least they did something. We've already had two? official updates for the epic 4g touch, that's pretty good...

Hopefully we get ICS early Q1!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rem3Dy:
Wow... Did you even read the article? Clearly you missed the whole point which was custom skins like touchwiz hurts the consumer. Clearly ICS runs perfectly fine on the same hardware (Nexus S), but the OEM skins are taking up all the space.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sean-El:
So how does the 3G and the 3GS run on iOS5? Oh that's right, the 3G didn't even get iOS5... go to your iPhone and enjoy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] oscarthegrouch:
I went from the ns4g in may to the iphone 4s in october then back to android et4g two weeks ago. There are quite a few people with buyer's remorse with the 4s. Maybe you might like it? I certainly didn't like spending so much on app in the app store (no returns/refunds), the phone being so damned locked down, the heavy censorship in the app store, and the heavy reliance to itunes to get things done. I got tired of zooming into a web page so much to read it on that 3.5" screen. There's still no jailbreak for the iphone 4s and ipad 2 because of the a3 cpu and apple has plugged a lot of exploit holes in the os.

I have 4.0.3 on my ns4g and I think it's too much for the hardware to handle. 2.3.6 bugless beast was WAY faster/responsive.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Recklace:
People also have to remember that us " pure android enthusiast" are the extreme minority compared to the 700,000 android devices activated daily. ICS is more user friendly than any other version of android obviously , and in my opinion would be a skin killer if it wasn't for the lack of smart dialing which is another rant for later cuz Google leaving out this feature for this long is RIDICULOUS.

But none the less skins in their entirety are meant to make android user friendly for those who are technically inept, the average consumer. So no Samsung can't just push stock ICS , they could make it an optional update, but with us tech heads in the minority I dnt see that happening. You typically sign up for a two or for some 3 year contracts, I completely agree that if i sign a 2 year contract my phone should be kept up to date for atleast 2-3 years.

Lucky I feel as though with the launch of ICS devices this trend of phones being abandoned after a year will end. dual core/ quad core phones with nearly 1 gb of RAM should easily be able to be kept updated. But while I'm here I really did want to just express my frustration at Google and smart dialing. I am an android enthusiast all day everyday but nothing grinds my gears more than this. It's easy to do because every OEM skin has it. This is an act that typically Apple is responsible for and by that I mean taking years to add basic features that should already be there * cough* background notifications* cough*

Google unnecessarily removed the ability to add apps and widgets by touching the home screen . I dnt understand that move either
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kc_exactly:
And whats your point? Those phones are 3-4 years old. I am not an iphone fan. But, Apple does support their product. I don't understand how some people can be so whiny when you criticize the flaws of their product. I like my Epic Touch. I am not buying an iphone. But, the fact remains that Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG isn't taking care of their consumers.

And it would be a different story if the phone legitimately couldn't be undated do to technological constraints. That isn't the case though. We know that ICS runs on the phone. Samsung just doesn't want to support their product.

And if anyone at the should care it would be Google. Because, their brand "Android" is the one that will suffer from not getting upgrades and fragmentation. Because, any phone regardless of brand is an Android or Iphone first, then a 4s, Evo, or 3g second.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lifyre:
Seeing as the original iPhone is 4 years old you need to work on your math. The 3gs is two years old.

Apple releases one upgrade per year besides bug fixes if you think the iPhone gets "special" service you're right. When your entire company depends on taking as much as possible from your users and vendors and stealing as much as possible from your competitors you make it look like you're treating them special when you're treating them like they ride a short bus.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mazook98:
Wow, did you even read my very next post before you decided to blindly go off on me?

The one where I discussed EXACTLY what you're talking about?

This one?:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=20646305

Verge Article on Samsung Updates

Guess not.

Anyway:

We KNOW ICS by itself would run on the Galaxy S.

We also know (or you should know, if you have one iota of common sense about you) that Samsung

can't just throw straight ICS at 10+ million casual users who are accustomed to having Touchwiz on their phones: That just would not fly.

That's also the point that a lot of people who are responding in this thread seem to be missing:

Touchwiz AND ICS just won't "fit" on the Galaxy S, if Samsung wants to give it's users any space at all to call their own....

THAT'S why they aren't going to update that particular device.

(So, yeah, bro: to answer your question: I definitely read the whole article.)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Google isn't exactly perfect with their updates either. I don't know how I didn't hear about this. I hope it doesn't delay us in a major way but I wouldn't think it would..

http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/12/20/g...te-for-nexus-s-over-purported-battery-issues/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] glassjosh:
I agree to a point..

I bought a Vibrant and only got Froyo... not even Gingerbread in sight which it definitely could run fine! The international version got Gingerbread AND the Sprint version with a hardware keyboard got it(recently, but still). Anyone who doesn't think Samsung is in the wrong at all needs to think about the promises Samsung made to its customers regarding updates. Promises they didn't keep and some they kept out of class action lawsuit fear. I really don't think its reasonable to expect ICS on the 1st gen Galaxy series because of how fast phones evolve and change now days, the problem is the cell industry isn't friendly to changes happening this fast with 24 month contracts and carriers adding anything extra on the phones to make an extra buck and making the phone run slower and making it so much harder to update firmware..

Just my 2 cents..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hussmanne:
Remember Google I/O?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp

This is a let down.

"...in May, many Android phone vendors and U.S. wireless carriers made a long-awaited promise: From then on, any new Android phone would receive timely OS updates for at least 18 months following launch, as part of the then newly christened Google Update Alliance."
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Overstew:
Definitely gives me posituve thoughts about htc (and sony), and negative thoughts about everyone else. We'll see how htc's lte device is upon release next year.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ccline84:
Have fun paying for 90% of the apps that are free on Android, paying for ringtones and music that you've probably owned for years and having the most boring user interface since WinMo. Like I tell all my customers, for every person that comes in crying about Sprint or Android there are ten coming in complaining about Verizon and/or the iPhone.

You act like Apple is as clean and nice as their white iPhone. Gimme a break, join the real world. If that's your choice then far be in from us to change your mind. Like I said have fun. I was pissed Samsung made me wait forever to update my OG Epic, but I just got the Galaxy SII. Ta daaaa... problem solved. I usually get tired of a phone after a year or so anyway. Plus, XDA always extends the life and enjoyment of my phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Mship:
Does the average consumer even care about being updated to the latest version of an OS?

Every on this website is a power user so the manufacturers really only care about our opinions just a tiny bit. The typical phone user only want their phones to do three or 4 things, make phone calls, browse the Internet, occasionally a gps (most people like regular gps for every day use) and a game here and their.

I would say 70% probably more don't even know what the he'll ICS, gingerbread or froyo is, or care.almost long as their phone can do those for things they are happy.

My wife has the epic 4g and even before I put gingerbread on it she loved the phone. After she wanted to know why they changed some of the features, because she liked them the way they were.

So on short not everyone hates touchwiz. He'll I loved the way cyanogen ran on Evo and get this, I even liked sense and I kinda like touchwiz was. Oh the horror, right?

Not everyone wants a pure "google" experience. Most people don't even know what it is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] playya:
I think that is a great point right there. We are discussing updates that the average consumer may or may not even care about. To them as long as their phone is turning on, receiving phone calls, sending texts and going on google when they need it too they are happy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ungovernable1977:
It would appear some are following the OPs line of thinking which is entitlement and caring about the build number more than how the build functions on given hardware. If we step back to reality it would appear the OP is drawn to apple fanboyism, but feels they need to justify it to theselves by pointing out obviously wrong points in an attempt to sell themselves on an identity purchase. As far as i see, samsung has updated their devices in the sense that most issues have been worked out for the OS the device was built for (GS1's were built for GB... not ICS). I applaud the idea of optimizing a device rather than crippling it with an OS it cant handle just because some users have e-penis issues (directed at unnecessary update whining in general... not nec. OP) Im glad i have no idea what the next version of android is called... and i hope its not just me... as soon as they name it people think it should be on whatever the hell phone they have if it has android on it. This crap is what killed a lot of good projects on the OG epic... 'GB will be here any day now...' after we waitied forever for froyo... (which WAS unreasonable)... if we get ICS on this phone and its variants relatively soon... can we accept it may be THE stock build for it... and move on to what this and the other sites are for... butchering said stock into something better?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] superbeast0:
F**k Samsung... no ics updates for my upstage?? Gonna go get me a fruity phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fnut6969:
Excellent point, as I believe that iPhone's only going back to the 3gs can handle iOS 5, and even then with a number of features unavailable to anyone not on the latest iPhone hardware.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] brownhornet:
Yea but the 3GS is what now 2.5 years old? That's better than pretty much all Android phones ive seen in the last few years in terms of updates. You have plenty of phones that are more than capable of running Gingerbread and the latest touchwiz... or in HTC's case sense 3.5.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] webran61:
According to the same website, Samsung appears to be reevaluating whether or not to update the Galaxy S devices to ICS.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review

Looks like people cried enough for Samsung to hear them. In the end I think Samsung cares about their existing customers more than people think.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
A lot of android blogs and other sites have been reporting that too.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mazook98:
Dude, if Samsung sends an OTA to the Galaxy S that upgrades the phone to 4.0, but doesn't include Touchwiz, the minor squawking that was heard before about 'no update' will absolutely pale in comparison to the ****storm they'll be dealing with soon.

For every XDA user with that phone, there are prolly 1000 soccer moms or Grandmas that'd have no idea what was going on, and their first calls of complaint would be to their carrier, which isn't fair at all.

Since the phone really can't support both, space-wise, Samsung would have to make the OTA optional, of course.

With that being the case,I don't see what'd be the real difference, because if you are an XDA member (or something similar), all possible OS's are already pretty "optional".

TL;DR:

The small % of the userbase crying about "no update" are the only ones who would use one, yet still the last people who really need one.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] CrispyCritter:
Do any of you whiners have an idea what forum you're posting in?!

People. Please.

Have some common sense / logic. You are posting on XDA DEVELOPERS forum.. which happens to be just the place to look for customized ROMs / OS's for phones which have the bloatware removed. What I'm trying to say is: Stop your yammering and whining that Samsung has "jilted" you on your slightly older phones. I GUARANTEE you that there's going to be a bloatware-stripped ICS Rom released here on XDA for you. (I'm talking about the Nexus S / Galaxy S-ish models). This is a NO-BRAINER, people. Patience is the key here. If you've been around the phone customization community for any reasonable length of time, you KNOW from experience that a ROM / OS will eventually be released, allowing you to update your phones much further than your carrier will "allow" you.

Let's just all have a time-out and calm down...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mazook98:
Um. Yeah.

We all get that.

We all know that users for any device can come to XDA or wherever and DL a rooted OTA, or a stripped build of an OS, or whatever you need, yadayadayada.

That's not the issue.

I'm pretty sure that the conversation is only in reference to whether Samsung is doing the "right thing" or the "wrong thing" on their end.

So, grab a big handful of common sense/logic yourself, and please:

Eat up.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] CrispyCritter:
...

(In response to Kingsway's post #59 -- not sure why my reply was labeled #58?! *shrugs* whatever.)

It's all good. I wasn't trying to insult anyone, really. Only was trying to remind people that it's kind of pointless to whine about Samsung's decisions on an OS upgrade when the poster is posting right here on XDA. I really don't think whether Samsung "did wrong or right" in its decision is really that important, considering where these complaints are being posted.

I experienced the same thing when I had an HTC Hero for 2 years. less than a year after I'd purchased it, HTC / Sprint decided they didn't want to put out any more OS updates for the phone. They said the same old "we just can't fit Sense UI AND the updated OS onto the phone's limited storage". As I had already gotten into flashing customized OS'es onto it, it really wasn't an issue -- which is exactly what I was saying in my initial post. If one's carrier or phone manufacturer stops giving updates, people shouldn't whine about it. That's a waste of breath. Just go find a custom ROM / OS and continue updating your phone yourself. No need for people to "jump ship" and go with a fruity outrageously priced phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
Some people don't like putting up with the "everything works except 4g and Bluetooth" that usually comes with aosp roms. I prefer stock rooted with minor mods just because they tend to be the most stable.

Twiz is mainly just a launcher with a few widgets, if Samsung cannot figure out how to fit it on the galaxy s hardware with ics, they need to fire their devs. And I just don't buy that "normal" people would complain if they got pushed stock ics anyway. When Apple went from ios4 to ios5, which was a huge update, most people did not complain.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] spencer88:
iOS 4 and 5 look exactly the same. If you didn't know of the changes that were made the average person wouldn't know any different.

Stock touchwiz and stock android look extremely different, and everybody would know that they were different.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MadFlava:
Motorola changed the launcher considerably on the Droid 2 Global with the last update so it happens. I dont think it would be that big of a deal.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jacquiegardner:
I had an HTC Inspire and liked it, but kind of heavy.

Recently upgraded to an LG Nitro. I've had a few problems. For some reason, during the night while it is charging, it just quits charging. When I get up the battery is down to 25%. I've also had problems when placing a calls. When I take the phone away from my ear the screen won't come back on and I can't disconnect the call. This almost always happens when I'm leaving a voice mail and people will end up with a bunch of background noise until I can manage to get the screen to come back on and disconnect the call. All in all, very annoying problems.

I was considering returning it for the HTC Vivid or the Samsung Skyrocket.

Does anyone have any opinions?

Thanks.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] newter55:
Do you want sense or touchwiz?

Both are great but the vivid is stuck with no development due to not being able to unlock.....yet.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kiddchris:
The HTC is the much nicer phone
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slimslim:
I wouldn't go from nitro to skyrocket, the phone is good but the screen is low resolution. I'm really happy with the Vivid, I can still wait for bootloader, no time to play with custom roms yet, do no biggie for me.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Boobie Watcher:
Just because you own the HTC doesn't mean "it's the much nicer phone"....they are both great phones, but i would go with the regular at&t gs2 over the skyrocket and then its a coin flip for the HTC or the GS2

It depends if you want to wait for the HTC bootloader to be unlocked, or if you want to go ahead and start flashing custom rom's
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dusty2422:
Pretty sure you're stuck with the Nitro since you only get one exchange within the 30 days from when you upgrade.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kiddchris:
no, not "because I own the htc", I have had two Samsungs very recently along with the htc, and the HTC is the nicer phone out of the three, by alot
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ebaul:
This may sound like ranting, but is not...just opinion:

I have had HTC phones since Win 6. Sense is nice, build quality is nice...but will never come close to the Galaxy line of phones in performance. Galaxy phones were build to perform...cheap plastic, beautiful screen and the best of processors. Performancewise I will never trade a Galaxy for an HTC. I currently own 6 phones, Galaxy (Captivate), Galaxy S II (Unlocked), HTC Amazed, HTC Vivid, Galaxy Note and the Galaxy Nexus. The Galaxy phone will ALWAYS outperform ANY other phone and it has been proven everywhere...HOWEVER, the HTC build quality, screen resolution (NOT that it looks better, galaxy has one of the most beautiful displays...based on consumer reviews all over, but lower resolution), and the Sense UI make the HTC a good choice. The Vivid has a nice camera but then again so does the SGII.

I don't like the Galaxy Nexus that much...thought I would, but maybe is because is still new (already rooted BTW) but I prefer Gingerbread.

I am the director of IT at my company, we deal with digital photography, data storage and more. I handle all communications and when is time to buy new gadgets all my techs are given choices of PDAs, in the last 3 years all 23 of them chose the Galaxy line over every other phone, including HTC phones. They all say the same thing: it may have been built with cheap plastic...but we look at performance. We want to touch and go....not touch...wait...then go.

So...the choice in this case is a tough one. Vivid = Nice quality, nice 4.5" screen (not better, just nice)...considerably heavier due to good materials, dual core 1.2GHz Scorpion. SGII = Rock solid performance, customizable to your liking, very light and thin (CPS) build materials, beautiful screen (lower resolution however) 4.3" or 4.5". Dual core 1.2GHz Exynos OR dual core 1.5GHz scorpion.

Even in processors and screen size the Galaxy line gives you choices...Vivid is only one....a good one, but only one.

Vivid looks elegant, nice to carry in your front pocket of your shirt and you can feel it as you handle it. SGII is so lite sometimes you can forget you're holding it. The battery cover of the SGII is flimsy, very flexible but won't break easyly. The battery cover on the Vivid is solid, locks in place with a snap and stays there. Battery on the SGII is way better than the Vivid, might be due to the large display high density AND Sense does uses a lot of power and system resources. TouchWiz is NOT people's favorite, I don't mind it because it is fast, very fast and much better than previous versions...Sammy did get the message from screaming users regarding touchwiz in the past. Because touchwiz is so lite on the processor and memory, phone runs constantly at about 650MB free memory, while due to Sense and all the At&t advertising crap bloatware the Vivid only stays at about 300MB.

I do have to admit the Sense UI is beautiful, gives your display an extra wow, but they have to come up with a way to make Sense use less system resources and better processors.

Hope it helps somewhat
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] saywhat4118:
Agree!
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Boobie Watcher:
by alot? Like what?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Vetdoctor:
I kept my Evo but got a Galaxy oil the other day. I was shocked at the low resolution screen and cartoon colors. I can appreciate that Sense uses tons of memory and what made me root my Evo was the ui slowing after gingerbread. Every time I went to the gone screen it would have to stop and reload.

I plan to replace the Galaxy with a Inspire or Vivid as I can't live with the screen.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] stratax:
Nicely said!
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Brau0303:
My 2 Cents

I tend to stick to mainly HTC based phones. Why..

I feel they are very solid.

They tend to have good support factory & dev.

They tend to be very customizable

Performance wise I think the HTC & Samsung run very close (I am basing this using Vivid and Skyrocket for examples).

I like both screens (the Samsung oled screens tend to be better in sunlight, but I have been impressed with the Vivids screen in Sunlight)

My Advice to you look at your options, do some reading on what prople like and don't like and decide what phone better fits your needs. For me it's currently the Vivid.

Just my opionion tho.

Cheers

BR
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stescaz:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and I have rooted it but when i boot into the recovery section its nothing like the clockwork mod i use to have on my desire with nandroid backup etc all i get on this is the following its called

Android System Recovery (3e)

Enter: OK key. Select :Vol up/ Vol Down

Reboot System now

apply update from sdcard

wipe data/factory reset

wipe cache partition

but not too sure this is clockmod and if not were can i get it as i used rom manager but still no nandroid etc
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Its Samsung recovery not clockwork mod .

You need to flash a CWM kernel .

Root + CWM .

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1103399

jje