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[General Topics] ooikaisheng529:
Samsung is a manufacturer which is having the most market shares currently.But, their customer aftermarket support is the worst.

As all of us know, the Galaxy line of devices are so successful today for having a sales of up to millions.The reason for this is from the start of the Galaxy S.It is their flagship phone in 2010, with a sales of about 20 million globally. Now, Samsung have made a decision not to upgrade the Galaxy S to the newset Android 4.0. Source: http://www.samsungtomorrow.com/2043

Translated English page by Sammobile : http://www.sammobile.com/2011/12/22/official-no-android-4-0-for-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab/

Is it a hardware issue?No, it is because they just don't want to upgrade it and wants people to buy their new phones so they can make more money.And even Sony Ericsson done soooo much better than them. They decided to upgrade their whole 2011 Xperia line of devices, even including the 150$ Xperia Mini.

Yes i know that the Galaxy S is an old device, which already exceeded the 18 months of software update. But well, what happens to its other brother? The Galaxy S Super Clear LCD i9003 which launched about the same time as the Galaxy S2, and the Galaxy S Plus which have not even exceeded 6 months,and the recently Galaxy W,what would happen to them?And also, the Galaxy S have so much similarities to the Nexus S, which had its Ice Cream Sandwich update about 1 week ago.

It is a BIG SHAME that Samsung would make this decision, as these devices are still in the 18 months software update timeline. Is the Google's Android Update Alliance dead? Most of us would probably say yes. If Samsung are not gonna rethink this and release the new update for the Galaxy S phones, I would be sure that this is my first and last Samsung phone ever.Samsung is just caring its sales of new devices and its money.My next phone would be only from Google, the Nexus line.
[General Topics] boss man Kole:
I'm guessing u have a galaxy s? All companies are like that all they care about is money. Why give it to the old phone when they can Just make a new one and give it to that one and make double or triple the money. Just because their greedy didn't mean its a bad phone. Just saying. Funny thing is I have an HTC :)
[General Topics] LoveisPeace2012:
These companies are venomous, I'm going to get an n9 even if its a dying breed
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
The best part about this post is the last sentence. The Nexus is made by Samsung buddy...
[General Topics] CallMeVentus:
LMAO he doesn't know that Google phones are still made by Samsung (cue the Galaxy Nexus)
[General Topics] kainppc6700:
ODD PHONE ERA Reply

The market is just a joke now - the devices are all junk really. Everybody can get one now because they're free on contract, and that has totally killed the value of a "smartphone", even if we can get them cheaper now. For this reason, there's no need to cry over spilled milk. I had an HTC Diamond from 2009 up until this year, when it wasn't worth it to repair because the market screwed itself so badly. I (sadly) carry around a Samsung Epic (the superior of all the Galaxy S series), but it'll never be able to replace the magic of Windows Mobile that our quickly moving market/retarded Microsoft has frowned upon.

- 2B
[General Topics] AllGamer:
Motorola is the worse when it comes to upgrade

and with their locked bootloader you can't even load custom ROMs

HTC is heading the same way as Moto
[General Topics] Killasmoke:
If you want updates then next time just get a nexus device next time your available for an upgrade or get a crapple iPhone!! ;p
[General Topics] sooyong94:
If you are whining about updates why don't you flash a custom rom? Or get a nexus? Oh wait....
[General Topics] Wiggy Fuzz:
people who care about receiving the latest update would be on forums like this - by extension you will have dabbled with custom roms.

samsung gave their reason why they couldn't put ICS on the older devices - it involves touchwiz, which is their core skin - samsung aren't going to ditch it for their non nexus devices anytime soon (otherwise every android handset would really be "the same as the next").

load a custom rom with no skins onto your phone and stop complaining, or buy a new device. nobody guaranteed you any updates to the latest firmware - and hell, i wouldn't be surprised if the galaxy s 2 won't receive an update to android letter "J" because the screen resolution is too small or something.
[General Topics] rr4lz:
Stop whining and get a new device. I was once a Galaxy S user, and have been through the Eclair, Froyo and Gingerbread era. I am more than satisfied to have this phone supported until Gingerbread. Besides, I can flash the ported ICS rom if I want to.
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Spot on! Most of the average consumer don't give a damn about what android version they are using, the manufacturer skin and other stuff about that. As long as the phone is works just nice, then they don't care about the versions they are using. I even saw phones (Xperia X8) still stuck at 2.1 and yet the phone works just fine. Did the phone render unusable for not having 4.0? No right? If those guys (especially techies) still whine about manufacturers not giving updates or some sort why don't they flash a custom rom? Problem Solved.
[General Topics] orangekid:
Bro!

This is ****ing XD-****ing-A!

root your phone and flash the ****!

You're pissed off at a company for not putting out OTAs of upgrades?

We're talking about Android here, the OS that I love, that i die for. What are we talking about, Android? We're talking about Android! What are we talking about, Android?

This is XDA homez!

root your phone and flash ICS!

How in the name of Zeus did you go 4 days with a stock ROM on ANY Samsung device? How the **** did you not void your warranty the second you unboxed your phone??

In ALL of the time you spent putting together this very eloquent and moving post, you could have rooted your phone and flashed a custom ROM.

Just wait for CM8 on EVERY device, don't worry about it, you're getting bent out of shape.
[General Topics] Skv012a:
Can old S even handle 4.0 hardware wise? How much ram does 4.0 need to run comfortably?

Also, OP, you've clearly NEVER really been a phone enthusiast, have you? Go look up OMNIA HD, for example. People still used and more or less loved it despite how little support it got even from the community.
[General Topics] orangekid:
yeah dude, ICS uses like so much less resources then even Sense 1.0, you could probably flash it on a motorola startac
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Fixed. XD

It is just amusing to see that non-android techies just whine about (Insert phone manufacturer here) not giving updates to (Insert phone of the manufacturer). And OP even rant in a forum called XDA.... Head-------->Wall

What? Did the phone rendered unusable for not having 4.0? Well, you can get a freaking Nexus... and Problem Solved.

BTW Sammy is one of the most dev-friendly manufacturers out there. They tried to make everything open source, having an open bootloader and even gave SGS2s to CM7 developers. They hired Steve Kondik (The guy who worked on the popular CyanogenMod Rom) too. Unlike HTC which locks down bootloaders on their devices and lied about it about the bootloader unlock thingy.

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I lol'd at this. :D
[General Topics] AnyMal:
You do realize that last two Nexus phones were made by Samsung, right? :D
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Unless OP wants to get a Nexus One which won't be updated to ICS officially.... :rolleyes:
[General Topics] orangekid:
lol thx for the fix, was laughing my ass off at Jim Rome and slipped the 8 instead of 9 :)
[General Topics] falconeight:
Just get nexus end of story.
[General Topics] sooyong94:
But the title is quite misleading though.

"Don't buy Samsung"

That's just include every devices including the Galaxy Nexus.

OP did not realize that Galaxy Nexii are manufactured by Samsung.

Unless OP wishes to get a Nexus One which won't have official ICS anyway. :p
[General Topics] Skv012a:
Very cool. Even then though, what's with you guys (like OP) expecting older devices to handle the newest software? Things naturally get old, replaced, why not just go with the flow?
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Well, the SGS is pretty beefy phone. OP rant is just an excuse not to get an Android phone anyway. I see no reason why SGS users rant about not having ICS where there's an ICS ROM ready to flash? :confused:

Oh, ICS has the same hardware requirements as GB. So any device which has the ability to run GB should run ICS well. (Waiting for a fully working ICS ROM for my X10 mini :))
[General Topics] orangekid:
Not just that, but the Nexus S has the exact same hardware as the SGS phones basically, and it has an ICS OTA update, so obviously SGS phones can handle it.

Also, why do you think the iPhone 4 doesn't get a Siri update? same ****, sell more phones. deal with it, lol.
[General Topics] kainppc6700:
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That's what I would've asked.

You're very right, and it's not even as good as the original Omnia which ran Windows Mobile (which itself still has a decent following despite being given up on by Microsoft in favor of Iphone customers).

What an exciting thread this has turned out to be.

- 2B
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Anyway... There's actually a working ICS ROM for the SGS. Only the wireless tethering thingy doesn't work for now.

And the reason why the iCrap 4 won't get Siri is just plain ridiculous:

http://www.redmondpie.com/siri-for-iphone-4-ipod-touch-4g-the-reason-why-it-isnt-available-yet/

Encryption issues? Why don't Apple open it to every iOS Devices?:confused:
[General Topics] Skv012a:
Today is a day of reminiscing for me, hence why I brought that up. I, personally, enjoyed the fact that OHD ran symb unlike any other sammy at the time. I wasn't too fond of WinMo at the time. Check my blog for my trip down the memory lane in the mobile world.
[General Topics] kainppc6700:
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That's actually pretty cool. You sold your tilt after three days? :p

- 2B
[General Topics] adultswimfan:
i hate samsung.......
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Mind to list out the reasons? It's unwise to bash a company without stating the reasons. :)
[General Topics] Skv012a:
Every imaginable setting set to minimum, WITH extended battery, I think it was like %15 drain overnight. Camera sounded like an oil drill every time it focused and then took incredibly blurry pics. Got Moto Q9h right after and that qwerty hauled MAJOR ass for as long as i've used it.

Only good thing about HTCs is that they're extremely easy to sim unlock, so you can resell them at a higher value right after :p
[General Topics] Toss3:
While I do think this is a bad move on Samsung's part, I still don't understand why the current i9000 users are unhappy; just because the device isn't getting ICS doesn't make it inferior to the devices that do get it. Gingerbread plus touchwiz is still to this day the smoothest android experience you can have, and that includes the Galaxy Nexus(not counting the 4.0.3 update which I haven't tried, but boy does the stock rom lag!).

Remember, just because it isn't running the latest and greatest version of an OS, does not mean that the device itself gets any less joyful to use. The reasoning behind this is simple: I'm currently using the SGS2 with 2.3.6 instead of a Galaxy Nexus running ICS because the former actually performs better than the latter.
[General Topics] falconeight:
I love lamp! Did you just say that cause you saw a lamp?.......I love lamp!!
[General Topics] sooyong94:
Yup. I see no reason to bash TWlauncher since TWlauncher is one of the most functionable manufacturer skins out there. Not having ICS on SGS/SGT doesn't mean that the device is complete unusable. And yes, I even found the GN lags more than the SGS2 with TWlauncher with GB. :eek:
[General Topics] al12345:
but its natural to want something new. personally, i hate the new windows 8 start menu, but ill be getting a copy as soon as the beta comes out, because i cant resist it hehe
[General Topics] egydiver:
i love my samsung
[General Topics] synaesthetic:
Samsung is probably the most development friendly smartphone vendor around these days, what with Motorola and HTC locking bootloaders and all.
[General Topics] valkyrieways:
i see.

but i think i'ts like some issues...
[General Topics] LogisticsXLS:
Samsung seemed to make phones or tablets that always have that "basic" look to them. Or at least it seems that way to me.

Not to mention a lot of their devices I've picked up felt cheap to me. So I've never really cared for them.

But their TV's and other electronics, now that's a different story...
[General Topics] ooikaisheng529:
Yeah, the i9000 seems to have no problems with custom roms...but what about the other low development activity variants?And about samsung giving sgs2 to cm7 devs, i knew that, but i think now u all could go and ask codeworkx what happens now.Samsung made a dirty code about the audio, making phone calls don't work. If they are developer friendly, why dont they release the aosp compatible source code that are just lying on their hard drive?That would save these devs a whole lot of work.
[General Topics] Tenpin:
What! Samsung are on top of the market nowadays.. my dad has the sgs2 and we have a led 40" Samsung TV.. you really can't go wrong with them :o
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You can say that again ;)
[General Topics] djjonastybe:
Well support for phones is the same everywhere... Support for phones is bad... Just like laptops... Live with it.

Dell has best support for notebooks. Maybe for their phones as well if they have any.

They expect you to go to the store where you bought it or go to a Samsung Premium Point... Last time I checked Samsung had great support
[General Topics] Kailkti:
I read because those drivers are proprietary software made by other companies , hence they can't release what isn't there's. And I don't think they have made any AOSP compatible driver. They are following the cbse for that.

$1 gets you a reply
[General Topics] falconeight:
The only phones that will stay up to date are the nexus, iphone, and wp7. Everything else will.be toyed with by bith the oems and providers. Everything android other than the nexus s and gn are behind.
[General Topics] zelendel:
Have you seen what the new nexus has? It will still be controlled by Verizon. I think the days of Google controlled phones are coming to an end but I hope not.
[General Topics] Skv012a:
How are iphones staying up to date? Minor useless feature addition like that Siri thing and they want you to buy a whole new device. That wasn't even a rom update, was it?
[General Topics] falconeight:
Not the gsm version. Screw Verizon!

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You obviously for some unknown reason hate apple.
[General Topics] androidunia:
You have no idea how Samsung have made money in Korea until today...

I am one of Anti-Samsung (Not for their products but for their company culture and technic to control mass media to sale their product ) as a Korean but you don't need to get angry with convincing not to buy Samsung's products to others as long as product is good..

Whether Samsung will upgrade software is upto them as there was no agreement or whatsoever between Samsung and customers about that.

Blame others... like Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Nokia and etc who was more advance than Samsung before... what they did until Samsung grow up like now...

Competition is everything for the market and it seems that there is no strong competitor of Samsung, that's the problem.

I really don't like Samsung's company's culture and philosophy.

You really have no idea what Samsung did to promote Galaxy to get over iPhone before in Korea....

Koreans who live in Korea now believe that Korean car is better than Japanese car now... do you think so ???

That is the way how Hyundai controls mass media in Korea and there are no media companies who can against to Samsung and Hyundai in Korea.

Business is business, you don't need to get emotion in that way. I always hope LG can compete to Samsung and also hope other companies like Nokia, Sony Ericsson, HTC and Motorola will do better than now so Samsung provides better service than now before losing their market share...

Merry Christmas, guys...
[General Topics] zelendel:
Its only a matter of time until they all do it. Carriers dont want to support these devices. Too many people involved.

There are many reasons to hate apple. Steve said it best. " A good artist copies, a great artist steals" I dont agree with it but that is a huge reason right there. I put Apple and MIUI in the same boat. Both steal others ideas and then tries to lock it up.
[General Topics] jjayr41:
its hard for me to get another samsung unless its the GSM version of the Nexus. After the debacle of trying to get gingerbread on the Epic 4g, samsung showed me that they have horrid smartphone support...
[General Topics] falconeight:
I am in no way an apple fanboy. I own a Mac and a iPad but that's it. They are innovators and have turned the tech market upside down since they introduced the iPod. They own the mp3 industry, iTunes is the gold standard, iPhone gets copied left and right, iPad shut down the netbook industry, the Mac air has started clones from every maker. You can't with a straight face say that apple is not a innovator.

I think wp7 is on its way to rival both iOS and android. It reminds me of Mac software it just works.
[General Topics] zelendel:
Oh I can to be honest. Yes everyone tries to copy the ipod. Its simple. I used to have a Mac book but traded it to a buddy for a windows PC. I never have and never will use Itunes. Made the mistake of installing it for my Girls Iphone and took me hours to remove all the crap it put on here. Never wanted the Ipad or a netbook for that matter.

All apple did was make things simple. Which to be honest is not always the best idea. MP3 players and and smartphones were around long before they did anything them. And when they did do something it turns out to be a kids toy that can make phone calls.

So yes I am not an apple fan and never will be. I will never own anything from that company. I would go without first. But that is just me.
[General Topics] falconeight:
That's an honest answer but how can you really hold a un-biased view of the tech industry if you just don't like a company for making things better. I myself hate, dispose, loathe, the iPhone but I understand why people Love it. I would own an iPhone before I ever owned something like a Experia arc. They took a nice os and messed it up with a clunky skin.
[General Topics] SupraN0va:
+1 to Samsung, i think totally the opposite. Compare the updates with the other, htc, motorola...

Sony Ericsson, Jesus, i will it only believe if I see the updates on the cheap ones. And when will the update come, i believe 9 months after the nexus as usall. I got the galaxy s2 , in my opinion the updates are coming too fast.
[General Topics] zelendel:
I hold a firm believe of just because you can doesnt mean you should. I look at every company as a whole. I understand people like the iphone because it is simple. As far as I am concerned tech should not be dumbed down. It just encourages people to be lazy. I dont think Apple made anything better. I have not found anything Apple has released that I have not found on another platform that works just as well if not better.

I mean something has to be said for a company that has 12 people commit suicide from working for them. Dont get me wrong the iphone has its place. Its a great entry level device. As a matter of fact I used it as a learning tool for my better half who never had a smartphone before and is not techy at all. I gave it to her for a few months so she could learn. Then took her to get her choice. Guess what she didnt pick another iphone. She even went back to a feature phone instead.:eek:

I keep an open mind on the Tech industry for the hardware long before apple uses it.
[General Topics] falconeight:
Your a tech racist:DPeace
[General Topics] bullet358:
This is debatable at most. It's not just the money. If your reputation was built upon decades of strength in your respective field, you'd be extremely meticulous about your product output.

ICS has H/W acceleration, right? It's primed to take advantage of dual-core devices finally. Correct me if I'm wrong, but 18 month upgrade windows by today's standards in tech dev is a gross overshot. It moves faster and faster. It's money, but it's more about the competition for the money. The TIME necessary to stamp out new firmware for each additional device can soften the competitive edge one may have in the industry. The approach has to be simple because the product is so diverse.
[General Topics] negrobembon:
When i saw the title i tought it was an apple fanboy making a rant

huh?
[General Topics] FinancialWar:
from an economic point of view, i9000 is sunk cost. So your decision to buy Samsung phone in the future should not be based on whether the i9000 will get ICS or not, it should be based on whether the future Samsung model you're considering will get future Android upgrade or not and for the price Samsung is charging.

For example, in July 2012, you are considering upgrading your Android phone and one of the phone you are considering is Samsung galaxy SIII, your decision on whether you want to buy this phone or not should have absolutely nothing to do with I9000, because decision is forward looking, you should look at the SIII and it's competitors and what each can benefit you from July 2012 and onwards and not taking revenge on Samsung for not bring ICS to i9000.

The OP lack basic understanding of economic decision making, the rant of "Don't buy samsung" is more of an emotional rant rather than a logical decision making.

Thank me later for you have been enlightened.
[General Topics] ~lll:
There are no valid reason for not upgrade Their 1 years ago to ICS

i'm software dev , one step guide me in every work is "after work support"

Samsung Create phone not development Android, for their , upgrade to ics has not cost ( for simple reason: proprietary's lib ) i got i9003 ( Galaxy S LCD )

i dont think i will see ICS Stable with no bug to my phone...

in the end, samsung, why you dont upgrade your "old" ( are galaxy s old? ) to ics?

if i sostitute my galaxy s to get ICS, i DONT WILL BUY SAMSUNG, for their software upgrades,its sure, i buy optimus dual , with ics update coming

samsung why you want to hate you?
[General Topics] negrobembon:
Again buy a nexus, first to update always

huh?
[General Topics] zelendel:
Be very careful with racist comments. I don't take it lightly. As for tech. Yes I have my pref as does everyone. And yes I do hold companies accountable for business practices.

Now I am gonna leave this at that. A company should be held responsible for what they have done. No matter how popular. Their tactics remind me of a country we went to war with.

Nuff said
[General Topics] zelendel:
You should never buy a device on what it may or may not get. Google has already stated they will be doing less updates in the future. It will get to the point of maybe one update a year. This will fix alot of issues
[General Topics] FinancialWar:
hmm..I always thought Google's model is fast update with minor changes as oppose to slow updates with major changes. Like what they're doing with Chrome.

I guess this model does not work that well on mobile devices with lots of different manufacturers.