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[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
Agreed. I hate Samsung and I will never let myself or anyone I know buy a single one of their products again. I will get the Google versions of phones from now on.

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Are you trolling? I agree with you that Samsung should release something for us, even if it is informal and just AOSP. However, you can't shout the guy down for giving well informed technical issues because you can't understand them?! I can't understand most of Einstein's technical speak but I still believe that (most of) it was valid and well informed.

You've mentioned a normal discussion but you clearly are very poor at practicing this. You should listen to other people's arguments and politely agree or disagree with them, stating your reasons why. Refrain from personal insults and you will be closer to reaching a reasoned conclusion with less parties feeling aggrieved(at each other, if not Samsung).

On a seperate note, how close are the ICS custom roms running compared to Nexus S official and how close will they ever get to them? Are any of the ICS custom roms for SGS better than Darky's, which I currently have (speed, bugs, compatibility)? I don't know whether to upgrade or not?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I am shooting him down on everything "technical" he said if you are just willing to read. If necessary i can explain again. But if you don't understand, like you said yourself, how can you comment in good faith? ( i rofled when you said you "believe" in what he said even though you don't understand any of it ) In any case no engineer works and discusses based on "belief" but on knowledge and understanding. And one more thing "technical speak" is not a valid argument or valid anything for "grown ups" :)

So the issue here is i do understand what he is saying, unlike you, and i gave arguments why his statements are faulty. I even got him to agree with me for a moment. But then he changes his story like a "professional troll". Every single question i answered. I even answer these accusations that "i don't understand" which is i guess stupid of me. Him saying that he is smarter and more knowledgeable then me ( and rest of us ) is not a valid argument! Him saying that i ( and the rest of us ) don't understand is not a valid argument either!

So lets do it again.

Lack of ram: the only reason why ICS will use more ram is GPU acceleration. That is not much ram considering how much it improves the almighty "user experience". It is very little ram and most users will not notice that just a few apps less that can be kept in memory on stanby (for which most ram is used most of the time). And one more point ICS has better ram management so even with little less ram available it should work better and smother. And where does it say that ram used for GPU acceleration is fixed and no dynamic?

Lack of rom: already said and none disputed that the new upgrade can be slimmed down with removing few apps, wallpapers and such that can be installed after upgrading through samsung apps. Won't even go into that it is possible to increase the rom size.

Any questions? looky here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1374691

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1435603

If these phones can run AOSP ICS with that much less ram don't you realize that ICS can run on sgs with all necessary samsung modifications? Do you even realize how little ram X8 has?

I am getting the feeling you are just trolling me and i fell for it. My bad.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
I don't agree with everything he says, but I support debate, even if the views are opposing. Just as long as people give well informed, reasonable opinions. You are abusive and state some things as fact, which are only your opinion.

I have said before that I think Samsung are out of order and I think we should have some sort of ICS on our phone. I think I just say it in a more reasonable and less offensive way.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] edy_priyanto:
I guess we start to think/consider about leave samsung and looking for a decent phone which get continues support from manufacturing. Samsung try to play with their customer this time and they will decreased their market such as nokia due to lack off upgrading support with their product
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iD4rK:
"Year 2012: I am very disapointed, I get no updates for my Nintendo 64, I am not buying a Nintendo console again... and I hope they loose all their customers. They really hurt me. My child is sick but my Nintendo 64 updates are so important to me, I prefer to complain all day over the nets than caring about any other more important stuff."

The phone is 2 years old, even it is still a great phone. I only had it for 1 year. There are other stuff in life that is more important to worry about than official ICS coming to SGS... get a life and enjoy it.

If you are unhappy with your SGS at the moment, as alternative I recommend you to use MIUI from "miui.us" (1.12.16). First I only used Stock ROMs (was not happy), then tried hundreds of Custom Roms (still not happy), then CM7 (fast but too unstable, not happy enough) and later MIUI, I've not changed since then. It is awesome, no need for ICS. And even so, miui is changing their code to ICS someday. So have patience and people relax.

Regards

iD
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Azurren:
After using a Nexus S (With and without the ICS update) and owning a Galaxy S2 here's how I see it:

The Nexus S hardware does appear to struggle with the ICS update as it is.. This could be due to a number of reasons:

Unoptimized

Current application incompatibilities

Hardware

I'm not going to start unilaterally deciding what the cause is but I am pretty sure that all the above factors contribute.

Now, I own a Galaxy S2 and (coming from a Dell Streak) was completely blown away by several things. But the Screen and the Smoothness was the biggest WOW!

What sets Samsung apart from other android phone manufacturers? TouchWiz. And one of TouchWiz's key selling points is the smoothness.

Samsung have stated (And I know for a fact after using the Nexus S) that ICS and TouchWiz can't run smoothly together.

Millions of people have purchased this device. And I will bet you anything that over half of them don't keep-up with android development and just use the phone as-is.

So what would the end-user prefer? To continue with a smooth, flowing android experience or suddenly receive an over-the-air update which renders their phone laggy and jolty?

I don't know about you but laggy and jolty is the sole reason I started actively following the development of my android devices.

Some claim that samsungs image is ruined by this betrayal.. (and I agree that this is terrible) But lets face it, we are a small minority of people compared to those who just want their phone to be smooth and slick. Imagine how outraged they would be if they suddenly received and OTA update which "ruined" their phone!

This isn't a post patting samsung on the back. But these details seem to have been left-out from all the news articles and complaints I have been reading around the interwebs.

Just take this as my view, and extended reasoning, on why Samsung aren't offering an ICS update
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iD4rK:
I completely agree with the above statement. I was about to post something like this but I forgot to mention it after the miui recommendation. I prefer the phone to be blazing fast, smooth and stable.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
y not make a unified petition for I9000 , I9001 and I9003 . different hardware, but if they decide to release it for I9000, they'll have to release an update for the other models too. unified petition ->more users-> bigger pressure .

i owned an HTC Desire for over a year and i know how we pressed htc to release a 2.3 update for us, so it's definitely achievable ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tatsuya79:
Hey Samsung, you're going to offer less support than Sony, yes SONY!

WAKE UP!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] burakgon:
Anti illumunati or what :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] diablosv36:
Samsungs current touchwiz roms smooth? Very funny, using the current stock roms already result in "laggy and jolty" performance.

I think people just want a stock rom that runs properly, and this is what is feeding into the anger of no ics update.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bhu1:
I was collecting bucks for a new Samsung device but now I am thinking to move to HTC as their customer service is better.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] syamsoul:
the only reason i buy samsung galaxy s instead of iphone 4 and nexus s, is because it have 3G native video calling.

And if i use ics ported from aosp...i should buy iphone 4 or nexus s at the time i buy my sgs1...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sosodemi:
not for i9001??

No ics for sgs,but not for sgs+(1.4ghz) eader? Wear to petition for i9001?

sorry for my bad english.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Azurren:
Funny.. I didn't know that HTC are updating all their "old" phones to ICS

Desire S

From what I've seen of it (and using my friends) it was pretty smooth even with alot of the samsung widgets active.

But having never owned one I'll take your word for it. I know that phones can slow down MASSIVELY over time
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoS:
Updated the first post with the latest news.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gaspernemec:
well thats good news :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
Don't care if they do it... the way they handled it is enough to convince me that android and samsung is way worse than apple's business model, so when I get the chance i will get an iphone and throw away this piece of garbage of a phone.

I have to congratulate samsung for doing such a terrible user experience with such a good hardware! That is really an accomplishment...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Torlo:
Great news

Samsung reportedly re-evaluating getting Ice Cream Sandwich onto the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab
[Galaxy S I9000 General] soopahfly:
As a previous HTC user, I think that Samsungs attitude to updates is spot on!

Galaxy S was released with Froyo, and got an update to Gingerbread...and has been receiving pretty much constant updates with all the point releases of Gingerbread whenever relevant.

It's had an OS update from 2.2 to 2.3, and ICS moves to a major release, 4.0.

Why should it get this update? They've shown enough support for the device and now it's time to move on, it's nearly 2 generations behind.

Try complaining that your XP PC won't get a free upgrade to Windows 7 and see how far that gets you.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rayiskon:
go back to ur windows mobile world, u obviously shouldn't be reading this thread.

really? u sure it was a samsung phone? coz i haven't seen a stock samsung phone runing smoothly
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NCSoft:
Samsung Galaxy S will get ICS Official from Samsung , why i tell this . no i dont have source , i dont have a friend who work in samsung . but LG had official announce some Optimus Phones that will get ICS , and if u look about this , then u will notice that some phones have lowest spec and hardware comparing to galaxy s .

Ice Cream Sandwich will official rom from Samsung in Q2 of 2012 , Galaxy S2 in starter of january or 13 february
[Galaxy S I9000 General] soopahfly:
Hahahahaahahahhahahahah

Haaaaaaahhhahahahahahahaha

You really should be a comedian, instead of getting butt-hurt over a manufacturer not supporting an OLD PHONE.

Your and You seem to be missing from your post. Looks like you might have trouble with them. Feel free to copy and paste mine.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I have no intention to be offensive but i do feel a need to respond when being attacked personally. Like you yourself did. Instead of reading you just assumed by HIS posts that i do not understand, that i troll, that i insult, and am inferior in this discussion. Instead of giving arguments he turns this discussion about us personally? Why? Constantly and baselessly accuses me of being ignorant to a lot of things. And you tell me i am abusive? I am offensive? You just baselessly attacked me! Well i guess these days if your tone is not apologetic you are guilty. lol

And to point out again plz ask and i will reply. So which things do i state as a fact but are my opinion?

I can give you his "factual" opinions. They go something like: We all just whine and we are to stupid to understand that sgs cannot be upgraded to ICS with samsungs framework. Well anyway that his response when i challenge him and his "arguments". Nice isn't it. If necessary will qote.

Try reading his posts in his "technical speak" and you will see what i am talking about. You don't need to know much of the terminology to know when someone says:" rom partition size can't be increased " and then to back it up he gives a link to someone explaining how odin works :D. Then i can say: " rom partition size can be increased " and give www.google.com?

Anyway plz try reading what you are commenting next time. It is just a polite thing to do.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jnks123:
Dear friend,

I understand all the SGS owners (including me) that are pissed off with samsung for the ICS upgrade in our phone. Nexus s is for Google thats why it gets the ICS pure AOSP but samsung don't make AOSP roms she makes the rom with another framework another type file and another launcher and she says that SGS don't have enough ram to handle the new touchwiz launcher.Maby that's true maby not but the fact is that she wants not any more to spend time in one phone two years old.For me there is no problem i choose to have ICS from 15 november when i flashed then the very first expirimental version from Galnet.After him Pawitp and onecosmic made two amazing roms both of them are good. Ihave three months ICS and my phone runs perfect. Once a few weeks ago i've tried the leacked value pack from samsung nothing pure gingerbread and after 20 minutes i returned back to ICS.Thats why i don't care any more for what samsung is going to do with our upgrade.

Sorry for my long speach but ICS is out there a long time ago you can try it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Friend you misunderstand. We here are wanting official release of ICS from samsung. I hope all people here are aware that RC3.1 of onecosmics rom runs perfectly even though he had to pull rc4. But there are plenty of reasons why people want an official rom. I am happy that you are happy with what's available :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sexan:
Daj konju ne jebi zid,jesmo sutra u pike na "kavi"? :)

By joke.st

English:Hey you when will we hang to talk about Official Ice cream sandwich?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
This is your opinion on what is classed as an update. It isn't a fact that no one can call it an update.

You are suggesting someone has something wrong with them because they have said something good about Samsung? That is offensive.

Suggesting that people who disagree with you about an update for a phone have had lobotomies is offensive as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .Slane.:
Hey I was able to install Windows 7 on a P2-233 with 128Mb RAM, I hope you'll teach me why my DAILY user experience is not the same on my 2600K and 8Gb RAM.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Well you can class it as a miracle, it doesn't make it one. Update sugest some sort of improvement. If you call that an update what do you call windows patches then? Updates to?

Just realized i meant to use the word upgrade.... uff my bad sry guys. So i was talking about upgrades. And i say sgs got only one worthy upgrade.

Again sry for confusion as i used a word that can mean one or the other.

Yes i say everyone that loves corporations, in this case samsung, and gives them support is broken in some way mentally. If you knew anything about corporations i am sure you would agree. If you want i can give you links but i am sure you can use google yourself.

Ok you just took that out of context. I said that when people claim some things, support corporations etc. :), not disagree with me.

Did you miss the part that ICS has better user experience on any phone it has been ported to? Oh yes and you completely missed the analogy. Wonder what you know about computers/OSes anyway?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jnks123:
If you are waiting official version of ICS for SGS i think you waist your time because it will never be, you must accept it and you will be happy too with what's available.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
Hey mate. If I were you I wouldn't waste my time with this guy. He is obviously a troll with no life outside the internet/nothing better to do. Berating people online obviously makes him feel better about himself/more manly. Not much you can about people like this.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Just like a really experienced troll to troll other people and when they are stupid enough to respond ( like me ) to call them a troll :D and then return to regular insults :D

awesome move mate. And for the record you attacked me first :rolleyes: like i said fell for it sry for responding.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BrenMcgee:
I know I really shouldn't respond to this because you are just fishing, but I didn't attack you first. My first post in this thread had nothing to do with you/wasn't aimed at you in any way whatsoever. It was for another user. Then you had to jump in and attack me/my opinion. You started this **** fight, not me.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] youssefj:
this thread is hopeless, samsung can port ICS to our SGS phones, and can optimize touchwiz for it, but they think that the GT-I9000 is very old and that they have no reason to port ICS to it.

Plus, a lot of us want the default ICS interface as it is better than the older versions, and don't care about touchwiz.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kellermanv:
i9000, old ? yes.

i9001, old ? HELL NO.

Nexus S got 512 ram as well, so, ***** PLEASE.

Cut the crap with pure AOSP roms because they are PURE ****. Nexus S got ICS because it is GOOGLE's phone, simple as that. Stop finding other reasons, seriously. Next time (you, me and anybody else) be smart enough and buy a google phone instead of samsung,lg,motorola,yada yada yada.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jnks123:
I'm sorry but i didn't understand what you mean but it doesn't matter.

Anyway I was not trying to force anybody to do something it was only my opinion.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
You come to a topic that is called "No ICS for SGS, complain here." and insult everybody that do what the thread is meant for. You start of with that? Not just that you are trolling, i have no idea wtf are you doing in this thread? What is wrong with you? You don't want sgs to get official sgs? No problem. This thread is not for you. Go away. I am out of excuses to respond to your trolling. Now either get back on TOPIC or LEAVE!

And for all you defeatists let me remind you that X10 got gingerbread. Even after SE confirmed couple of times that it was not going to get it due to hardware and age and so on. So if enough people rant and whine enough it is very possible that there will be official ICS for SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jnks123:
you said your self is Google's phone what else can i say.

i think you miss understand me. I'm not against you.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rassvet_ekb:
SGS never die
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kellermanv:
It's already more than dead.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Rather say: " don't let samsung kill sgs!" :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] youssefj:
the nexus s is a google phone, but it is made by samsung and have almost the same material specifications as the GT-I9000 so it can handle it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] stupid_productions:
My SGS is running Team ICSSGS' new ROM just fine. It actually runs a little smoother than Gingerbread ever did. It'll be a good 'device' to keep around once I can upgrade for free next year.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
Yes, I do call windows patches 'updates'. They come through a program called 'windows update'.

You said I had called you offensive 'baselessly'. I gave two examples of what I based this comment on. Telling people they have had lobotomies is offensive.

I know a lot about corporations. While they have inherant flaws, it isn't implausible that someone could legitimately say something in support of them. Suggesting that anyone who shows any support for them, before judging the motivation of the support on its merits, is bigoted.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Funnnny:
So why bought SGS from the start :d. You choose a phone with touchwiz rather than a phone with AOSP, so you can expect an Samsung's ICS for SGS, but with Touchwiz, not with AosP
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I beg of you to stop trolling, insulting, lying and posting off topic.

The topic is "No ICS for SGS, complain here"

If you don't like it leave this thread. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
I am not doing any of those things. I am most certainly not lying, everything in the quote of me you have posted is true. As you accused me of making 'baseless' accusations, I even provided you with examples, clear for you and everyone else to see.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
No u haven't.

I beg of you to stop trolling, insulting, lying and posting off topic.

The topic is "No ICS for SGS, complain here"

If you don't like it leave this thread. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
I am not doing any of those things. I've even provided you of examples of where you have been offensive. Given that you are no longer claiming this is a 'baseless' accusation, I presume you now realise that it was offensive. So, hopefully, you won't carry on being offensive to people on here by, for example, suggesting they have had lobotomies. Thank you.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
Hope you can presume yourself a troll and leave :)

I beg of you to stop trolling, insulting, lying and posting off topic.

The topic is "No ICS for SGS, complain here"

If you don't like it leave this thread. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] youssefj:
in my country the nexus S isn't available.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] syamsoul:
In my country , nexus s is available, galaxy nexus is available, but i need an android phone which has native video call...and samsung galaxy line is the only one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] slayerking:
Same, Every version of GGB I ran was crap.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kabracity:
+1, have been on ICSSGS since RC2.0, some minor issues being corrected (RC4.1 now available) but I'm really happy with enjoying ICS on my SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sebastjanp:
I'am flashing 4.1 for the second time to fix the wifi problem. Did you have any problems?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aferngas:
I just flash my gt-i9000 with RC4.1 and wifi still not working fine. When I have enabled wifi data still go through the 3G connection.

Further most of the time I can not make or receive calls. I think he has problems with roaming mobile network. Yoigo (my telephone operator) uses the networks of other companies when you have no coverage and now doesn't change network connection automatically.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] terrorwing:
rc 4.1 runs perfectly for me :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sebastjanp:
I had to do total wipe two times to fix wifi problem and to recover the possibility to add google account. I'm triing to apply Graphical tweaks by lippol94 right now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kushty:
You don't need to beg me to stop doing things I'm not doing, it is peculiar. You've stopped abusing people on the forum now, which is good. Hopefully you won't suggest people have had lobotomies again.

As for 'going off topic', you'll notice many of the posts on this thread (including the last few) involve discussions of things relating to ICS on Galaxy S that are not inherently and explicitly 'complaining posts'. No one else seems to have any issues with this apart from yourself. If you are concerned about such minor deviations, I suggest you highlight these issues to all of the other posters who haven't satisfied your criteria as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] konjRR:
I still stand behind everything i said. And thx for proving my point, lobotomies and all :)

I beg of you to stop trolling, insulting, lying and posting off topic.

The topic is "No ICS for SGS, complain here"

If you don't like it leave this thread.