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[HTC Sensation] sorasky:
For answering the phone, u may either drag the answer call ball into the ring

or just simply drag the ring like unlocking the phone

Sense is HTC's biggest weapon

without sense, HTC may die decades ago
[HTC Sensation] mattbutsko:
I guess that makes sense. I never really noticed their hardware was that much better, but sounds solid to me.
[HTC Sensation] dleach1407:
No, not mad at all but Im sure you saw only 1 post was on topic, (the one you mentioned and the one below was kind of on topic) the others were people trying to explain why they like sense and basically telling me if I didnt like sense I should have bought a samsung. I have had this phone for 6 months, and gave it a chance (which was stated in the first post). I have used sense for 6 months and I still dont like it. I don't need other peoples opinion on why sense is good, or how their wife made them sell their phone. What does any of that have to do with me rooting my phone and installing ICS, or a rom without sense? None of those replies address the point of this thread. I want this thread to stay on track, not turn into a "I love sense" VS "I hate sense thread". I think its pretty obvious, that is the direction it was headed.

Thank you for the information. I will probably try simply removing sense from the phone first as you suggested. I dont need ICS, I just figured since I was going to root, ICS would be better. I also know ICS is coming soon with OTA. I might simply wait for that, then remove sense. I am assuming the script will work for the OTA since it works to remove sense 3.5 from the current rom floating around.
[HTC Sensation] k0nfucius:
See how you get on with CM7. It's not ICS and development may have ceased in favour of CM9, but for me it's clean, fast and solid.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1258543
[HTC Sensation] dleach1407:
holy crap thats a long thread... 500+ pages? WOW! Seems like a lot of people are using that. Thanks!!!
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
Everybody throws around the word intuitive. I like the way the lock ring works, and do find it intuitive to me. For others. Not so much. For those who have no desire to figure anything out for themselves, and would rather be told every move to make, then there is an entire company dedicated to doing just that. The name rymes with Snapple:)
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
rumors are rumors. there was a thread or post somewhere stating that sense on ics will toned/slimmed down since ics already has most of the features. I believe sense 3.5 was added to ics so they can work out the bugs. Well only time will tell though. Lets just see when it gets release lol.
[HTC Sensation] dleach1407:
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. But again I dont understand why this is becoming a "Why I like sense" thread...

The rings are not intuitive. It requires you be familiar with the phone (which by definition makes it not intuitive) and as much as I dislike the Iphone and apple products in general, I can pick up any Iphone no matter what generation and use it without issue, and I sure as heck dont have to "figure out" how to answer the phone when it rings. Same goes for any native android phone, but the vast majority of people who pick up my phone have to ask how to unlock it. Having a red decline button and a green answer button requiring them to be pulled into a ring is not intuitive. However, a green button that says answer and a red button that says decline that you press to perform the action stated on the button, I find intuitive. I have no problem answering the phone, or using the phone, but I have found certain things about sense I just dislike as a whole, especially after using native android on my nexus one. The lock/unlock ring, and answer buttons are just the tip of the iceberg. In my opinion, all android phones should have the option to use native android, or the manufacturers GUI and I hope Google implements that.
[HTC Sensation] unfnknblvbl:
Dude. Calm down. I don't particularly like Sense either, but it sure is pretty and fun to play around with for a bit.

The bad news is there's no real 'native' (I assume you mean AOSP) ICS out there yet. There's the 'Voldemort ROM' that we're not allowed to discuss or link to here, but it's not usable yet. If you're really desperate for ICS, you could try out Virtuous Inquisition from the development section. It's the Sense-ICS leak but it's had almost all of Sense stripped out. It's far far better than I was expecting it to be, but it's not without its bugs.

Your best bet would be to just install CyanogenMod 7 and wait for KMobs to release CM9 for us - when it's ready.

Edit: Hah! I didn't even see there was a second page!
[HTC Sensation] sohail25feilder:
Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and happy new year in advance. I pray to God that our Sensation should get all the upgrades as early as possible like native ics.
[Motorola Droid 4] jarzy00:
I know people have made threads about the droid 4 before but this is me pondering with myself when im bored. Do u guys realize that pretty much the only major significant differences between the d3 and d4 is the fact that the d4 has about 500 more mb ram than d3 and it runs at 1.2 GHz and ours run at 1.0... welll i was thinking... we have overclock now so there goes that difference. Plus as overclock progresses and as time goes by i feel like we could hit as high as 1.5 safely. So pretty much the only major difference is the ram butt whooocaress? Like not to brag about our phones but Once were unlocked (which i feel like wont be much longer) our phone literally will be superior to any other android phone. What do you guys have to say (;

P.s. i could be missing specs but i feel like those 2 are the major ones.
[Motorola Droid 4] dpwhitty11:
You forgot the LTE radio. ;)
[Motorola Droid 4] eXecuter.bin:
You also get ICS and Webtop support iirc
[Motorola Droid 4] mtva24:
4g lte is major...
[Motorola Droid 4] Rotkaeqpchen:
Will the Droid 4 be a Global phone again?
[Motorola Droid 4] jarzy00:
Yeahhh butt like i honestly feel like 3g is better than 4g i really do. I dont care for 4g at all.
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
i dont understand that. 4g is alot faster than 3g. only problem is battery life, and that is only if you dont know how to manage battery life ;]
[Motorola Droid 4] DoubleYouPee:
What about the screen?
[Motorola Droid 4] leobg:
Another problem is that D4's LTE is only good for Verizon.

DYP, screen seems to be the same as D3's. Screenshots clearly showed pentile matrix and specs say TFT - so it must be the same crappy screen as D3.
[Motorola Droid 4] jarzy00:
Yeah i agree its faster but it pretty much is an upgraded 3g like it not always works. It sometimes drops. Data bills increase. Idk man i just dont really care for it. And yeah battery life decreases tremendously but once people are able to flash stuff for it it will improve. I feel like 4g has alot of improvement to do not gonna lie
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
cant lie about lots of that. 4g is a great technology, its the carriers that arent using it to its full potential. If you look at the actual 4g capable speeds and the speeds the carriers are letting us have, you will be even more disappointed lol.

The battery sucking isses will hopefully be obsolete once carriers get more heavily engaged in research using fuel cells.
[Motorola Droid 4] nicktastique:
Everyone says the Droid 4 is what the Droid 3 should have been.

For my part, yeah, it kind of gets on my nerves, but not too much. 1G of RAM would be nice, but I rarely run out with 512MB. I don't stream multimedia, so 3g is fast enough for me.

And the price was nice, $150 with a data plan. So I have no complaints.

As things stand now, the Droid 4 will probably be my next phone in a year or or so.
[Motorola Droid 4] phrir1:
What bout the fact that you can be on the phone and go online at the same time. not sure if that is true but if thats the case then that will come in very helpful to me for work.
[Motorola Droid 4] nicktastique:
I didn't know about that. Yeah, that's pretty sexy. It's annoying when I get/make a lot of calls and my IRC session constantly drops.
[Motorola Droid 4] doogald:
Battery life is not the only problem. I bought a Bionic in early October but had regular issues with random data drops - so that I had no LTE, 3G or 1X - in area where I know there is strong and solid Verizon 3G. There was also a nationwide, 24 hour data outage when I was ten days in. I exchanged the Bionic for the D3 because it was the best 3G phone on Verizon.

Since then there have been two more nationwide LTE outages (which also takes out 3G for the LTE phone, but not for 3G phones), and the Bionic forums are filled with people still complaining about random data drops. (Apparently this is fixed with an LTE SIM swap, but who has time to keep going in to Verizon for a new SIM?) Meanwhile, my D3 has been a solid, solid, solid data device every since I got it in mid-October.

LTE is still not mature and I think I'll be happier locked in to a solid 3G phone like the D3 rather than an immature LTE phone (because surely the hardware and network will get better in the next year or so) for the next 20 or so months. I would be happier if the D3 had been 1 GB RAM, but I don't feel it's that big a deal. I can tell you that it's frustrating when you need data access somewhere and find that the phone isn't getting data where you know that it should be.
[Motorola Droid 4] ChristianPreachr:
If you turn off LTE and force CDMA on your 4g phone, you can can be locked into 3G connectivity. That said, I like having a removal battery. I like that I have the choice to buy the extended. I think Droid 4 will be a bust tbqh. More memory would be nice but with Dpwhitty11's ROM, I don't have a need for it.
[Motorola Droid 4] MrObvious:
I don't honestly care. Hash has the ICS ROM coming along well and when it has the camera to me it will be perfectly stable for an Alpha. I am glad that it works and yeah 4G would be nice but I don't care honestly.
[Motorola Droid 4] phrir1:
I do believe that someone is working on a ics rom for the RAZR. so assuming that the 2 phones will be comparable it should be relatively easy for someone to port it over to the droid 4 "ASSUMING" :P they are going to be similar.
[Motorola Droid 4] eXecuter.bin:
Razr will get official ICS support, not sure why anyone would work on it on their own. It would merely be a waste of their time.
[Motorola Droid 4] doogald:
3G connectivity is still affected by LTE outages on LTE phones. If LTE is down (as I believe it was again toady), 3G almost always is as well, though it is not for 3G-only phones. I also had as many random data drops with CDMA only mode as I did with LTE/CDMA on the Bionic.
[Motorola Droid 4] phrir1:
Just to have it sooner than later I would assume, but if it is the case then it should mean that we would have it also on the d4 sooner than a moto release and we all know how long that takes.

ICS booting on the razr " razrsandwich"

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11709-progress-razr-sandwich-android-40/
[Motorola Droid 4] mikedyk43:
Having 4G would be great, but I don't think that they have a 4G phone that will last an entire day yet. I was planning to hold off until the hardware technology matured enough to overcome this problem, however, I'm starting to wonder how long Big Red is going to let people grandfathered in to unlimited data with a 3G phone keep that in transition to a 4G phone. At some point they are going to try to cap everyone's data.
[Motorola Droid 4] phrir1:
Im not sure how true it is but my neighbor just had told me he just went into big red to try and do an upgrade because he is month 2 month right now and out of contract. He has a grandfathered data plan, and the rep told him (lmfao) that he would have to "upgrade" his plan to a tiered plan for a new phone with 4g. He says they just started doing that.
[Motorola Droid 4] BenSWoodruff:
I'm on T-Mobile using edge, so I'm fine with the D3 lol. This phone does fairly well IMO with half a gig of RAM, and that D4 I've seen leaked is too fat and has no industrial looking design, which is something I've enjoyed about these phones. I don't need another cheap looking, plastic thing lying around lol. I'll just wait it out till something really significantly better comes along :-)

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[Motorola Droid 4] Downtown Dan:
Verizon reps never know what they are talking about. I talked to a couple different reps about tiered plans and they told me the exact opposite of what the other said.

I was trying to figure out if I'd be grandfathered in when upgrading to a Droid 3 when it came out. Luckily I was, but the first guy I talked to said I wouldn't.

I'd like 4G, but if I can't stay in my unlimited data plan I won't bother. I almost always have access to WiFi anytime I need data.
[Motorola Droid 4] ebaysnyper:
I live in a small town and the reps here insist 4g is a must when it identity even availible here. They only know what they get told by the guy sighning the pay check.
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
My reps are pretty straight up. He said 4g is great, but don't buy it yet because there aren't enough towers unless you stay in the city. But he said its great and very fast. But even the reps are just using 3g until 4g is covered in more places... I would love an upgrade to the 4g though. There are no drawbacks so I don't see why people are sayin the droid3 is better

Sent from ICS Droid3 using xda premium
[Motorola Droid 4] doogald:
At the risk of quoting myself, there is this:

I wouldn't say that the D3 is better (and, of course, we don't know what the D4 will be until it's actually released); for example, I wouldn't mind having 1 GB of RAM, and I could live with the non-removable battery, and there will be a point in the next 20 or so months when LTE will be rock-solid and better deployed. Right now, though, LTE is too unreliable if you use your smartphone for mobile data.
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
are you sure LTE is down nationwide. cause its working in atlanta right now. If its just your area that needs to be brought to Verizon but cant be battered for all of 4g. And yea i wouldnt survive without data aha
[Motorola Droid 4] doogald:
It was earlier this week, and I believe it was the third time this month. At least the second, and there was a nationwide outage in October as well (which was what made me decide to exchange the Bionic for the D3. There have been no data outages on the D3 since then.)
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
one nationwide data outage isnt bad from its early stages. Its been working since, if its out in yur area alot then i understand yur particular situation, but that has nothing to do with the actual phone or LTE if it works everywhere else. Oh and that outage seems to have been only with verizon.
[Motorola Droid 4] doogald:
Last week's was the third nationwide outage this month - each lasted about a day, though some areas were unaffected - and there was definitely another in early October, as that was what convinced me once and for all to exchange the Bionic for the D3. Nationwide outage = every LTE user in the country could not get LTE, and almost all could not get 3G, either.

Here is some more details about their current troubles. This story mentions an April outage as well, but ignores/doesn't know about the October outage.

http://gigaom.com/broadband/verizon-explains-its-string-of-lte-outages/

Yes, as Verizon is the only carrier that will have the Droid 4 with LTE, that seems relevant in this thread.
[Motorola Droid 4] Dri94:
ok so i looked them up. the 4g network solo went out for a couple hours. The last one a day. So while 4g was out, 3g was still up. I wouldnt love to have 4g for 363 days and 20 hours of the year. Thats alot better than none at all. Please dont try and shoot out my intelligence, i know what nationwide is. Trying to maek someone feel dumb is what turns these discussions into fights. lets keep this a discussion. thank you ;)

and you never completely lose data because you still have 3g which difuses that argument, and for the lastone where 3g went out they still had 2g. and if you look above about how long yu had 4g comapred to having it go out for a day and some hours total. That is totally worth it... now. . . whats so bad about 4g and the droid 4 ?
[Motorola Droid 4] BenSWoodruff:
Having slow data connection, such as edge or 1x is a non-issue for some people, so, like myself, those people probably wouldn't want to upgrade just to get their RAM doubled and a slight bump in processor speed. Of course, it also depends on whether the processor will actually be faster or just clocked higher by the OEM (the Droid 2 global has the same processor as the Droid 2 but they clocked it up to 1.2 GHz), or whether someone cares for the new design or not. Industrial design (the discipline people go to school for several years to learn) exists for a reason, because it matters to some people, as do ergonomics and generally how a device looks as well. No, I'm not going to buy an ugly phone for $200-$300 just to get some unneeded spec bumps and a network I will never connect to for fear of having my battery run out and my data plan get raped.

I say unneeded spec bumps because I feel ICS will help this phone's already snappy performance. I may be only one of a few who don't feel we need 4G, but isn't that a good enough reason to hold onto my money? If anything, I'll just wait till the phone has been out a while, received some updates and hacker love, then buy it off of craigslist :-)

Also, any word on whether or not it will have a sim slot? I like having the ability to use my phone on gsm should Verizon piss me off with their stupid prices/policies.

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[Motorola Droid 4] dejonghe:
Wrong on the screen, My wife has a D3 and I just got a D4, they may be listed as the same screen but I can definitely see the pentile on hers but I do not notice it on the D4

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I just picked up a Droid 4 and they let me keep my grandfathered unlimited data. :)
[Motorola Droid 4] ian3d:
Same here.. I'm going for a high score on data usage this month.

P.S. do some people think you can't take out the battery on the Droid 4? You definitely can.

EDIT: Malnodnarb pointed out it is not meant to be taken out. It actually has a sticker over it saying not to take it out.
[Motorola Droid 4] Malnodnarb:
I figured you can remove the battery by taking out the screws, but it voids your warranty or something.

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So with the grandfathered plan, you are able to use CDMA+4g unlimited? So lucky!
[Motorola Droid 4] ian3d:
Actually good point.. sticker says it right on there with cold boot instructions. Good thing you said that I might have blindly tried yanking it out.

Yeah, it shows up on my bill as xx of xx used but I confirmed it's unlimited with the verizon rep. I just want to see what happens when I go past that max that it shows on my bill. I mainly want to see if they throttle the speed.
[Motorola Droid 4] DevilDaHusky:
I really love the keypad. It feels bigger and the back lighting is awesome. The DROID 4 is much lighter and the keypad slides out much easier. One thing i do notice from the Droid 3 is that this screen appears dimmer or the colors are brighter to me...or is it just me?

Sent from my DRIOD 4 Husky Edition
[Motorola Droid 4] Malnodnarb:
The keypad is great. I came from an Epic 4g so it's taking some getting used to. The backlighting is a nice touch. Really wish it was a Super AMOLED screen though.
[Motorola Droid 4] YahyaIsrael:
Well I say there is reason. I took the plunge myself to the Droid4 from the Droid3. Reason, 4G. I really wanted the extra network speed. I tend to use my phone more for data, when I have faster speeds. I had the HTC Thunderbolt 4G, and I was using my data all the time. Then switch to the Droid3, because I just love Droid, and the keyboard. But still wanted 4G someday. Now that 4G is on Droid4. I can't really ask for more, except that I can run CM9 on it. I hate bloat. I really wish Google would rally in all the vendors and make some standards, and allow the users to chose more what they want.
[Motorola Droid 4] zombie673:
A couple things that crossed my mind as I read over the entire thread...

Firstly, I am coming from a D1 which was truly phenomenal (running 2.3.5 @1.2ghz) up to 3 days ago when I deactivated it. I agree with whoever said that the 4g has been tempting but that the keyboard is just a necessity.

The faster data coverage is necessary for some and not for others. It is the only significant difference between the D3 and the D4. If you don't have 4g coverage, then you don't need a 4g phone just yet.

Secondly, I recall that data outage and it affected 3g as well. My data service was spotty all day when it was working at all, so it wasn't only 4g phones that were affected. I think you may be mistaken on that point.

On the subject of the battery, with pretty standard usage (some facebooking, a couple calls, about 10 texts and an MMS as well as some forum browsing) my battery lasted me from 9am until 1am yesterday. For a 4g phone, that is fairly impressive so I have no complaints... I just think everyone got a bit spoiled by the idea of the Razr MAXX.

Lastly, if you upgrade through a Big Red Corporate store, of course they are going to insist that you enter a new contract with an updated data plan... They make more money that way. This is true both on the corporate and individual levels being that the reps get payed commission whenever you change a feature on your plan. I upgraded through Best Buy (who price matched the phone for $150 and gave me the $50 gift card credit that they're offering right now) and the rep there said "do you want to keep your same plan?" and I said "yes" and that was the end of the conversation. I kept my unlimited data and my employee discount from a company that has been out of business for 2 years. If you know how to go about things, you can work anything to your favor when it comes to cell phones... take it from someone who sold them for 4 years.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] archtech3d:
I haven't had any issues with my stock, un-rooted Epic Touch (purchased day 1) until two days ago. I plug the phone in to charge, and when it is actually around 70-90%, it gives me the notification that the battery is 100% with the blue light. When I unplug the phone it instantly shows the actual percentage - somewhere between 70-90%. It started two days ago, when I woke up and was confused as to why it "dropped" down to 74% within 8 minutes of use off the charger. I have now come to realize that the phone actually stops charging when the "false 100% notification" activates. If I unplug and replug it back in, it starts charging again... until it decides to notify me that it is at 100% again. Any ideas as to why this is happening? Do I have a bad battery, bad charger, or is something else crazy-stupid going on?

Thanks for any feedback you can give me. Merry Christmas everyone!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wolfkstaag:
If it were me, I'd try an old-school Evo 4G-style calibration. Run it down until it dies, charge it to full while leaving it off, pull battery for about ten seconds, charge it until reports full again, then turn it back on.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] archtech3d:
Ok cool. I'll try that and see what happens. Thanks for the quick response. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] n01un0:
I would also try badass battery from the market. Its free and may show you some odd app or what part of the system is draining it.

You can also use better battery stats from here on xda.

Sent from my SGSIIE4GTuvwxyz....should I touch my nose or walk a straight line now?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] archtech3d:
I was using "Battery Status Bar" but just switched to Badass. Thanks for the tips.