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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kaijura:
General rule of thumb that I've seen based on benchmarks and user experience is that just because its a single core, doesn't mean it is slower than dual cores. It depends entirely if the apps are written for multiple cores, which many if not mostly all out there right now are still based on single.

The single core on this outperforms the dual core on the kindle, so that's saying something.

If we are talking about seeing a difference between gaming, I doubt the cores are noticeable to the average user, unless you can 'see' the rendering and background process in milliseconds.

See here for anandtech's bench of the flyer

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4463/the-htc-flyer-review/8
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] olyloh6696:
+1 mate. Been checking all websites, and this tablet has had a massive price cut.

V.intersted!

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How do heavy games run on it? I.e - GTA 3?

i overclocked my Desire S to 1.5 ghz (same CPU)

chipset) and gameplay was not as smooth as i'd liked.

so are games smooth?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TSGM:
The problem with my advice is that the Flyer was the first tablet I'd ever used. So my basis of comparison may be off. Here are just my 'stream of consciousness' thoughts:

1. The integration between the pen and the tablet (which is really what HTC was pushing for) is disappointing. This improves somewhat in honeycomb, because you can now use the pen as you would your finger. However, the pen is, in my opinion, an expensive novelty. There are many problems with Notes and PDF Viewer; for example, many people complain about the lack of control over pen width when annotating in PDF Viewer. Similarly, I find the Notes app disappointing (no way to zoom, limited or no choices over pen tips, etc.). To a certain extent, you can hope for development by others (see the Quill app for example), and by HTC. But I found it ridiculous that this is the best that the programmers and engineers in charge could come up with.

When it comes to pen integration, you can't trust 10 minute YouTube reviews by people who are happy that they can write on the screen; you have to look for real life experience from those who have tried to integrate the pen into their own work.

2. I found the battery life quite weak. Look up some reviews, and you find hugely disparate opinions---some people claim to be able to use the Flyer for a week without recharging while others say you need a daily recharge. Personally, I find that it's a daily recharge. No scientific tests from me, but I'm guessing about 5-6 hours of continuous usage doing low CPU intensive applications like reading PDFs or browsing websites.

3. The camera is bad. Real bad. It's not about the resolution of the camera---it's about the quality of the lens. My Sony k800i cellphone from nearly 6 years back takes better pictures.

4. Development: my understanding is that development is a little bit stagnant, just because it's not a hugely popular device. Time will tell whether these sorts of sales helps the situation.

In the end, the Flyer was my first tablet (which I bought for a good price), and perhaps my expectations were simply a bit too high. I paid $200 for this device, and the truth is, years ago, I bought my Sony PSP for around $130. If I think of it as a toy, something I can play some games on when I'm bored, or check my e-mail when I'm not at my desk, or read PDFs...then it's an acceptable purchase.

However, I do think that the HTC was designed in a rush, and it shows.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] olyloh6696:
Thanks for the quick sum up mate, appreciated!

I too think the pen was majorly overhyped.

It seems to be a key selling point for HTC, but in daily use for me, I couldn't find much use for it!

Cheers!

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Sent from my HTC Desire S
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kaijura:
Keep in mind that the Desire S is 1.0 at stock frequency, so if you overclock the flyer/view you can go to higher frequencies. I believe 1.8ghz is safe from the OC tools out there in development for it right now.

I took the quick opportunity to demo GTA3 running on a stock EVO View 4g. It's USA Sprint ver of the Flyer. So far it's pretty fluid, but I gotta say it's obviously not supported or officially available for our tablets yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQJxdhFshbU
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] olyloh6696:
Yep, but they both have exactly the same CPU chipset (Qualcomm S2 8255)

Just the Flyer has the chip clocked at 1.5Ghz by default, and the Desire S at 1Ghz.

On some kernel to, I can OC to 1.8 :D

I wonder if the extra RAM the Flyer has will be useful in GTA gameplay!

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Sent from my HTC Desire S
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] notphilip:
Mine runs GTA3 very smoothly. Controls are a little wonky, but that's a function of the game, not the tablet. Regardless, it's still fun and shows off what this hardware is capable of. I've not encountered any issues with sense slowing down the tablet, and globatron's HC has been quite smooth for me. I'm still pretty torn between launchers when I usually immediately install ADW, if that's any indication of Sense's quality.

I disagree with a lot of TGSM's review. I think with HC that the pen integration is fairly useful, even if imperfect. I've already taken about 8 pages of notes and was quite pleased how quickly I was able to write them. I probably will still use pen/paper for lectures, but book notes and proofs will likely be done on the tablet. And despite the poor integration with pdf apps, it's still way more useful than no stylus for annotation.

Regarding battery life, it seems to be pretty solid. I've only had the tablet for a couple weeks, but I can usually squeeze out 16 hours before worrying about charging. Another poster in this forum showed great results with juicedefender (126 hours in idle, 26 hours awake), and I will likely give that a shot very soon.

Overall, if you can find a flyer for under 300 USD (or below 360ish with a stylus), I would really recommend it. IMO it is the best value for a 7" tablet, and offers a ton of functionality that you'd sacrifice with the NT or Fire. With the tab 7+ at $400, the flyer is damn good deal unless you really value Peel or thinness.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] keyid:
flyer seems plenty fast to me, esp when you use some app to free up ram.

Battery life is good as I only use it couple hours a day on wifi, and end up with 70% left.

You can also overclock it with the custom rom, which im doing right now.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] olyloh6696:
Thanks for the lengthy explanation! So you'd still recommend it now, and dual cores (and quad cores round the corner!) Won't affect it hardware value now?

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Sent from my HTC Desire S
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] notphilip:
Definitely, especially at that sale price from the other thread (which I assume prompted this thread). Though it is single core, it is still plenty fast. I was completely astounded when using it compared to my OG droid.

Just considering the pricing trends that Samsung and HTC have been following over the past year, I would guess that upcoming tablets like tab 7.7 or any of the quad cores are going to be $450+ at launch. With that you will get faster speed, ips screen, and guaranteed ICS/jellybean, but you will also have to pay a lot more and wait for them to come out.

I would also postulate from how the xoom, nook color, and other functional tablets have maintained their value, that the Flyer will still be worth at least $100-150 in a year. So if something absolutely great does come out around Q3/Q4 2012, you will be able to upgrade for only a small loss.

In any case, there is enough note-annotating and web-browsing functionality in the Flyer that I can easily see myself using it for the next 18 months. It would really take a large advancement in stylus technology to make me want to replace this. However, if you really want cutting edge tech all the time (not unlike a lot of folk on this forum) or don't care for the stylus much, you may want to replace it sooner or just wait for the 7.7.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Hollow.Droid:
Thanks for the great responses, they're appreciated :) Out of interest, has there been any word on an ICS update?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
There will nor likely be an ics update. With honeycomb source for the kernel we can hope a dev will make it happen
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] notphilip:
Whenever this does happen, I will make sure a couple jacksons find their way into that dev's paypal account *HINT HINT* :p
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] gdbusby:
Benjamin's last name is Franklin, not Jackson. ;-)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Amphibliam:
Personally, I love this tablet and I am so glad I got it. The performance easily keeps up with my brothers ASUS Transformer in terms of tasks and the launcher runs way smoother. I love HTC Sense, and really buy into the whole "HTC Ecosystem" with HTCSense.com and all that that stuff. The pen is phenomenal and will be even better with the HC update. I think the HTC customizations make it that much better. The big selling point for me: 7 inch tablet. I want to be able to carry it around with me when I go places. I can't do that with a 10 incher. The battery life is ok for me. I was at 45% last night when I plugged it in after showing it off to family and friends, using it throughout the day sporadically, and watching Netflix once everybody left. If it makes it through the day, the battery is good enough for me. Honestly, the camera doesn't matter to me. It looks pretty darn goofy to take pictures with a tablet in my opinion. I only use the FFC, which is good enough for video calling. I think the stylus was overhyped, but it is still great, and functional enough for me. If someone asked what tablet I recommend, it would be Transformer Prime if you like 10 inches, and you have the $$, or the Flyer if you want a less expensive 7 inch option. This tablet will be outdated within a year or so, but I can easily sell it for $100 ish and then buy the next HTC tablet, if it doesn't cost too much. I am really happy with this tablet overall.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] olyloh6696:
Cheers!

Yes it was me who posted and found the deal ;)

Having said all that,

The XOOM Is currently selling for the same price... I'm considering getting that instead, as it seems more future proof.

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Sent from my HTC Desire S
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] devator22:
Yea, this thing is really nice with hc and the stylus. I ended up stuck at the hospital for four hours yesterday, and I used it to draw up some plans for my dorm room when I go back to school, did some emailing, surfed the web, and played some games. For $200, I couldn't be happier. It even fits nicely in my coat pocket. I plan to use it to replace my textbooks, and I feel like it will work very well for that.

The stylus does add functionality. I was never interested in a tablet, because I have a netbook, but when I saw the flyer I changed my mind. If you plan to play heavy games, I don't really think a tablet is the way to go anyway, but HTC has always pushed functionality, and the flyer is obviously marketed towards students and business people, so if you are one of those this is a really nice option.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] inmnbob:
I like it a lot, paticarly after the HC update.

I reaally like the thumb keyboard app I purchased which world great on a 7" tablet. This is a great productivity tools.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] rangercaptain:
But Jackson is on a $50. That's two and a half times more motivation.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
Flyer is also my first tablet, and I bought it because it was a cheap price for a tablet and it had some decent specs. I had it for about 3 months before I decided to trip it out with accessories. The first three months I had the flyer I used it when I felt like I wanted entertainment on the go because it's great for movies,netflix, games, and music if you really wanted to. I was getting good use out of it, espeically if I just wanted to play angry birds on the couch. Also with HTC's Media Server feature I can have all my media when I'm away from my computer, but still in the house. I have used it for maps on a road trip with tethering from my T-Mobile G2, and it was helpful there for seeing the maps on a bigger scale. These

last few days I decided to go accessories crazy with my Flyer. I bought Otterbox which is good for the protection and the stand which I love for movies and just viewing on my lap. I also bought the pen. Even though I'm not much of an artist It was fun to doodle, but I don't feel like I'm going to use it a whole lot, maybe when I need to annotate something. I also decided to buy the Microsoft Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard 6000 today. I love it because of the typing, and playing some emulators like n64. I feel like it's a lot more ease of use, and it could boost productivity if I was ever in that situation. I'm looking for a way to remap some of the keys to make it more useful, but so far it's pretty good.

Overall I have enjoyed my time with my Flyer. I've been sitting by the fire in a conferable chair for the last four hours playing n64, listening to music, and other various things and I still have 50% battery left. It's well worth what I paid for it (even with the addons) because it's just nice not to have something as big as a laptop, but will allow you to do most of the things you want when relaxing.

I am currently running Westfire's rom version 3.0 (It's honestly has been the best close to stock, but a little better experience) which is HC, and I am S-OFF.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] butterflygirl:
Thought Grant was on the $50 ;)
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
Ok, so im stucked in custom roms like Virtuous, Endymion

I cant flash roms like pre-rooted shipped roms, and normal RUU and also few CustomRoms like Cyanogen

My bootloader is something like this:

*** UNLOCKED ***
SAGA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-2.00.0002
RADIO-3822.10.08.04_M
eMMC-boot
Aug 22 2011, 15:22:13

I have installed CWM

When im trying to install RUU with exe in the signature checking it give me error [155] and installation is abort. WHen i unplugged my phone from usb there is information "Security failed".

When im trying to install any HBOOT ive got something like this:

(bootloader) signature checking...
FAILED (remote: signature verify fail)
finished. total time: 3.102s

What can I do now?

I was trying also to downgrade my HBOOT with tutorials here, but after all steps i cant install RUU because of this 155 error.

I think its all because of this signatures and security.

Without unlock bootloader - when im doing fastboot oem lock, ive got ***security warning*** and LOCKED and only possibility to run is bootloader and fastboot.

And what i want to do? I want to have official newest ROM for my Desire S
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
Try RUU with Goldcard

Or the downgrade guide of Scanob it is in the Index thread in the Development section
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
I was trying with goldcard, i dont know maybe i did it wrong?

I tried with mmc2 and mmc0 and no results, i was trying few tutorial to made goldcard, no results. Maybe something wrong with my card? I have Adata 16GB class10. (format fat32 -> goldcard -> i put card into device -> install exe with RUU ->the same error)

from the tutorial of Skanob i cant make steps 3,4,5,6
[HTC Desire S] Tectas:
The sd is mmcblk1 ;)

Swyped from my desire s running damn sweet ice cream
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
I dont know what you mean exactly but if i good understand for this:

cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid

i have got:

/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:*/cid: No such file or directory

(there is only 0 and 2)
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
If your software version is European unbranded use my CID, it should be the same:

035344535530384780810c1fe700b3c4

It is not reversed
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
Phone was originally from T-mobile, but for now it hasnt any branding, i dont what if its matter? Anyway i will try it.
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
So I assume that you do not have the T-Mobile logo on boot.

Also use the latest RUU - 2.10.401.8
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
No, no logos.

Reversed will be:

c4b300e71f0c81804738305553445303 (normal reverse, RevSkills v.2.05.2)

or this?

00b300e71f0c81804738305553445303 (http://hexrev.soaa.me/)
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
use the link from the tutorial. I think it was the second one (00b300e71f0c81804738305553445303)

Btw RUU Error 155 means "Wrong Image"

Which version exactly you have tried to flash?
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
I was trying almost every version:

RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.28.401.1_Radio_20.28b.30.0805U_38.03.02.11_M_release_177977_signed

RUU_Saga_HTC_Europe_1.47.401.4_Radio_20.28I.30.085AU_3805.06.02.03_M_release_199410_signed

RUU_Saga_S_HTC_Europe_2.10.401.8_Radio_20.4801.30.0822U_3822.10.08.04_M_release_225161_signed

RUU_Saga_TMO_DE_1.30.111.1_Radio_20.28b.30.0805U_38.03.02.11_M_release_178580_signed

Is the same everywhere. As i said after unplug from usb after this error, its a hboot screen with "Update fail! Security Fail!"
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
Can you enter recovery?

Btw you can look through this thread also
[HTC Desire S] Costinutz32:
MAN you should try extracting a rom.zip from the latest ruu 2.10.401.8,put it in your root of sdcard,rename it to PG88IMG then boot into fastboot and let it do his job.

Then you should have the brand new sense 3.0 stock rom.IF you made it reply me and i ll guide you to downgrade the hboot,root,s off with revolutionary.
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
@amidabuddha yes i can enter recovery, i can also boot recovery on phone from my PC (fastboot boot recovery.img)

i can also flash recovery without any problems.

@Costinutz32 i did it, donr work, i mean its booting and start doing something but then aborting and back to bootloader.
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
The same with your number for gold card. error 155
[HTC Desire S] smash_07:
I am having this exact same problem with my Desire S. For some reason the new bootloader of HTC has some sort of protection against goldcards. I tried more than one goldcard and neither worked. I can only flash custom roms and need to flash the Boot.img manually. My HTC was branded too, to Vodafone.
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
See this and this

I think that some of the solutions may help.

The last resort is J-TAG if you have a repair shop near you that offers that service
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
So you dont find any solution? But its weird, the others can downgrade new bootloader, and flash RUU without problems...

There is a possibility that it is caused by wrong drivers for Windows?

EDIT:

OK i will check those threads! Thanks!

Can i use someone's else backup to restore my phone? It will help? It will back also a hboot?
[HTC Desire S] terragady:
There is no solution in those threads ... :(

maybe this will help somehow?

C:\Users\Marcin>fastboot getvar all
(bootloader) version: 0.5
(bootloader) version-bootloader: 2.00.0002
(bootloader) version-baseband: 3822.10.08.04
(bootloader) version-cpld: None
(bootloader) version-microp: None
(bootloader) version-main: 1.27.405.6 [I](this is changed by misc_version from downgrade thread)[/I]
(bootloader) serialno: HT19ATJ03115
(bootloader) imei: ############ [I](hide)[/I]
(bootloader) product: saga
(bootloader) platform: HBOOT-7230
(bootloader) modelid: PG8810000
(bootloader) cidnum: T-MOB009
(bootloader) battery-status: good
(bootloader) battery-voltage: 4202mV
(bootloader) partition-layout: Generic
(bootloader) security: on
(bootloader) build-mode: SHIP
(bootloader) boot-mode: FASTBOOT
(bootloader) commitno-bootloader: ebd3df7d
(bootloader) hbootpreupdate: 12
(bootloader) gencheckpt: 0
all: Done!
finished. total time: 0.020s

Maybe it will help me if i will do a SuperCID ? But how i can do it and if i can do it.
[HTC Desire S] amidabuddha:
No the backup is not including the bootloader (hboot).

Your CID is T-mobile. Use misc_version with 1.30.111.1 and try the T-Mobile RUU again
[Acer Iconia Tab A100] dms76:
1st. Can I hook up a bluetooth GPS to the a100? Since the onboard gps is lacking maybe my old bluetooth one might help a little. Would I need an app to change default gps?

2nd. I thought read somewhere you could use adb shell to perform a nandroid backup. If this is the case can I do a rom backup and restore with the a100?

Thanks

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[Acer Iconia Tab A100] dms76:
Oh and Merry Christmas

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[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] legion1911:
Remember the vote counter that wrote this:

?

Now read this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1406395

:)
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] s4sixty:
I think we might have pissed them off pretty bad.

Yes they created a sub-forum for us.

Just so that we will stop whining.

But I feel it will stop right there.

Devs may not come in to support our device.

They will probably get the devs to boycott our device n never produce anything.

Then they will claim, "We opened a forum as requested but never promised to offer support for it......".

I'm not saying it will happen, but u never know.

Just my thoughts and rambles......
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] legion1911:
XDA mods do not have control over the devs.

The devs will do whatever they want.

Do not worry my friend....

We have already 2 custom roms in production and 1 chinese custom rom it seems.

The sun shines on I9103....
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] kurtfloyd:
calm down friends,there is no need to fight against the admins.
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] jason11:
IMO :

Even s2 users(Or fan-boys ) hate tegra. I don't know why. I am new here. I don't know what happened before. But we have much other things to do.

just leave them.

don't worry about ROMS.

Now Samsung confirmed ICS & more people will buy this phone.

And, I think that Chinese devs already have 2 ROM( i used google translater). here some devs are trying to do. in the future we will have more...
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] kurtfloyd:
yes. I've known some devs are preparing for a new ROM.
[Samsung Galaxy R i9103] legion1911:
S II fan-boys hate Galaxy R because:

- they can not accept that there is a device that looks exactly like the S II

- they can not accept that there is a device that does the same as the S II

- they can not accept that we can support Tegra 2 Games NATIVELY (we have a tegra 2 processor) and they have to use a software mod to do that

- they can not accept that our device costs less then theirs

- they can not accept that if we overclock our i9103 to 1.3 Ghz, our device is much faster then a stock SII at 1.2 Ghz

But as you say, ignore the Galaxy R haters.

Our success is the best answer.

Peace!
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zinza:
i have a htc hd7 ok and i have on it mango with 7740 so i want to downgrade and get bootloader to 4.xx :S w and i dont know how and i need to downgrade to install a rom on my phone so plz any help how :S
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sh4d0w86:
see tutorial. link in signature.
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bryangopan:
I think you have to use the restore option in zune .
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zinza:
there is not a restore point in my zune :S i want to get the bootloader to 4.xx and when i get that i can do it cz i have downloaded all what i want from settings :S if i take my phone to a htc market they can do this one for me ? or plz somebody help to do it by my self
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zinza:
6) Next come 7740/HTC Firmware Update, if u apply tht too, u again endup with SPL 5.X, so u have to Stop after Mango Update and Then you can follow the below thread to flash Custom or Branded roms.

ok look man i did that update and my phone cant restore and get bootloader 4.xx
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisizzle492:
i had the same problem and did a lot of searching.

you need to do the goldcard method. and make a y cable. seems difficult but is quite simple.

read through this thread. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1371073

i used a pny 4gb black flash drive from bestbuy instead of a micro sd and card reader