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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stephen44:
Some of you will know - i have probably the most legitimate use of the large screen GPS - namely mounting it between driver & passenger in a large diesel pusher RV - small screen GPSs are unuseable.

My plan B was the 'tethergps' app - that is now broken since the ICS update - I have emailed the details to the developer and hope they will fix :rolleyes:

The 'bluetooth gps' app is not robust enough - often failing to connect.

Anyone know of any other apps that might work ? (I do not want to root at this point as I probably will return this unit)

TIA
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Krisfone:
Looks like QC is rubbish as well

Many people might already be aware of the "Serial Number Unknown" issue some owners of ATP are reporting right now.

Worth checking it out -

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1426881

Apologies if everyone knows about this new issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
Not an app, but some new hardware:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HZI2YY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3PQ83KAW1BHWE

worked for me...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21242780&postcount=1226

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21248886&postcount=21
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stephen44:
ty - i got http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HZI2YY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3PQ83KAW1BHWE

only 99 cents - what a deal - hope it works - I have the bluetooth gps app already - so hopefully this will solve the issue

can't see a thanks button else I would have given you one - sorry

again ty
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] monkeyboywa:
I just did too...for 6 bucks...oh well if it doesn't work..but great if it does. GPS capability of the ATP is on the way side for now....

But at least if it doesn't work for the ATP I could potentially use it for my laptop/netbook...we'll see though.

the only issue i still have with the ATP is the "dead zone" on the screen..next to where the Engadget's tear down show's the WLAN module. i have a replacement tab hopefully coming into GS tonight..or tomorrow.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ownzordage:
Nice find on the GPS bluetooth device. I was thinking about returning my prime until I saw that. I can easily live with this now. Plus it should be easier on my Android Phone's battery if I choose to use that screen instead.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Yep, I ordered one of those BT GPS on Amazon a few days back, and there are multiple software packages that I can choose from

if native Bluetooth connections are not sufficient (I beleive they are, and sw is only required to SEND GPS over BT.

KINDA SUCKS, needing to power up another device, and all, but for the few times I use Copilot on the tablet, I can make do.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
You will need an app on the prime only, I use bluetooth GPS....has a setting to enable mock location built-in...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Govermans:
My GPS is completely dead, however...

- In GPS-test the status says 'GPS ON' (yellow icon)

- In ICS I can see an option in 'location' (I can click use GPS)

All firmware updates installed automatically, I do have a serial in ICS. I bought my TFP last Saturday. I thought GPS was not mentioned on the box...

I'm not sure whether Asus has shut down my GPS or whether it's just a weaker unit.

It's not a big problem to me, but since I'm a bit of a feature nerd, I would like to see it working...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
Well you should have came here to do your research about the gps...it's been mentioned a month ago of it's problems. Yours is no different than everyone else's who isn't working.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] g0t0:
Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggggg!!!!!!!!!

ASUS is KILLING me!!

Sent it in on 12/29. 1/4, email Gave the bs runaround that there's no issue, just need wifi. Emailed them again on 1/5 told them gps won't lock on satellites, NOT a wifi issue. Called them 1/10 three times cuz it's not fixed and no update. Get email 1/11 saying THE SAME BS on the first email. Berated them via reply and demanded my tab back cuz they suk. Called this morn cuz no email confirm they sent it. NOW IT'S SAYING UNDER REPAIR!!!! Customer service says now they are in the process of doing repairs to it.

I think they're Fu!$ing with me cuz I blasted them in an email. But I'm calling them every day till I

get my $h!t back.:mad:

BE ADVISED. ASUS has you talking and emailing CUSTOMER SERVICE. No tech. Even complaints go to customer service. Its a one stop cluster with no repercussion about how bad their communication is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rosshalz:
I personally WANT to buy (and always have since it's announcement) a TFP but this GPS issue bugs me...

But if all sites are so sure that the aluminium casing si the problem, why not just..... replace the back cover with a semi-plastic cover??? I'm just saying..... it'll be cheaper than buying the newer model :P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rosshalz:
well ur right in that it's the main structural part of the prime. the newly announced prime has this hybrid back which is like 75% aluminium. I was wondering about going the way apple did. I read somewhere that they crammed all the antennas below the only plastic part of the ipad2's aluminium back cover, the apple logo itself. perhaps asus can think of doing something similar. I can tell you for sure that is very easily possible to create a composite structure (like only a part of plastic SURROUNDED by metal) economically while making it LOOK like all metal. that should solve both structural and gps problems... in theory anyway :P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Which charger did you have to purchase for that TomTom? I purchased http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Barrel-Jack-Power-Cable/dp/B003059FAI/ref=pd_sim_e_1 but didn't fit.

I also have 5.5mm and that didn't fit either.. uggh
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blairware:
Multiple options for GPS resolution.

This was exactly what I envisioned being a problem, so I spent I think $15 instead or $5 for the TomTom Receiver, they had one for $9 with only the car charger, but for 15 it had car and wall charger, just no box or manual. Downloaded manual here (attached also):

The wall charger says the following on it:

Input: 100-240V - 0.3A 50-60 Hz so is obviously international

Output = 5v - 2A

The tip shows center positive/ Surround Negative, as for size, I am sorry, you would probably need to hit a Radio Shack or get a universal one with exchangeable tips.

http://download.tomtom.com/open/manuals/mob5_nav5/Wireless_GPS_manual_NAV5_MOB5.pdf

Here are links for the receiver at Amazon for all who want it - I would move quickly. seems now that the word is out for Prime owners, these are selling a a good clip. One of the alternate pages for it has sold out (reminds me of what happens to the Prime everywhere, LOL!) the links I provide are showing:

7 new from $15.99 8 used from $5.99 right now, down from perhaps double that a few days ago:

http://amzn.com/B000HZI2YY

http://www.amazon.com/TomTom-Blueto...I2YY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327279622&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HZI2YY?ie=UTF8&seller=A1K4QMY6EFGAY0&sn=GreaTech33

Works perfectly, with just one app on the PRIME: BluetoothGPS, from the Market:

http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/market/apps/app/googoo.android.btgps/Bluetooth-GPS

Finally, if you want to use your phone as the GPS receiver, instead of a seperate device, either install:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.Saenko.GpsOverBt

this app will use your phones GPS, and provide the satellite data to the Prime. The Prime still needs to be running BluetoothGPS:

OR, and I have tested the following early on and it works well:

Tether GPS on phone(server) & Prime(Client)

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.comptonsoft.tgps

This method uses Wifi, so you need to make your phone a Hotspot. If you are rooted, it will work. Otherwise you will probably have to pay the $$ to your carrier for a hotspot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Actually... I figured it out. I bought the tomtom bluetooth GPS receiver for a $1 . Found out that PSP charger works with tomtom bluetooth GPS to charge..

such as this one

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PSP-2000...3GH8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327296051&sr=8-1

So, I only had to spend $7 overall including shipping.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JeffR714:
I paid $38.99 without going into a long story I can't pick up a signal and I'm in the city (Phila Pa) I'll try your other ways while I await the tom tom.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ultratek:
I cannot get sats period either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JeffR714:
Don't understand how you can't get one sat! Are we the only ones in that boat?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1479664

Have you tried this? I never got sats until I opened up
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JeffR714:
Help

I ordered the tom tom device so that brightens the situation up but I really have no experience setting up these gps apps I'm working with the Galaxy Nexus and the prime can someone just tell me how to configure the two devices? I really would appreciate it.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Xparent Cyan Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JeffR714:
Shinzz had the best suggestion to a ****ty problem I tried the take back serial number solution and I wound up with a prime with the same GPS problems I even got a member telling me that there were no GPS sats in Philadelphia. Well the tom tom GPS receiver arrived and changed my whole scene testing on Google Nav beta as well as GPS test I've got sats all over. Thanks Shinzz

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Xparent Blue Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
TomTom GPS receiver from Amazon wasn't my suggestion(although I guess I did help a few with which charger to purchase) =P

Anyways... Video of Asus advertising GPS navigation with GOOGLE MAP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eCuD7GoxGk&feature=relmfu

And now the edited version video with GPS off the spec:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drZPlAIkrQI&feature=youtu.be
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JeffR714:
Guess I read wrong good thing though I got my problem solved
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
For all those that care about gps we need to make sure everyone knows the issue. I've already contacted a few sites to ask them to test and address Asus. I really do want the prime. Hopefully everything gets ironed out. CES will happen before I get my preorder, so we'll see.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
Lol. I just called Asus csr. They told me that prime Gps does not work without a working wifi. I made the csr ask tech again and she said yes the prime needs wifi connection for gps to work if true... #asustransformerprime= #epicfail for me. Oh well come on Sammy!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kls629:
that's not gps then, more like a website
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
in what scenario do you have need for true GPS and happen to have a wifi connection... this must be a joke
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
Agreed. I asked this csr... isn't this kinda false advertising? Her response... No it has a gps, you just need wifi for it to work. I asked if Asus was going to address this issue, she said no. I hang up
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
I wonder if this means this unit has AGPS (assisted GPS) and needs the signal to start, but then once started, wifi could be shut off. Does not address the issue at hand BUT if this works, it might show it uses AGPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] techjunkie9194:
This would only seem to apply for those who tether. I would expect the GPS to work with programs that install the maps on the tablet without WiFi! Very surprised! :eek:

What I don't get is what would WiFi have to do with the tablet locking satellites? I understand the map issue if they need to be downloaded but not simply locking onto satellites. Also, why then have options to use with and without WiFi?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kls629:
Sensor - G-Sensor, Light Sensor, Gyroscope, E-compass, GPS

this is false advertising then

edit: this is like saying my garmin will only work with wi-fi?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
crazy.. it is a dependency that should not exist and in this unit, that has no reliable cell connection, absurd! only way I can rectify why is if they use AGPS.

did you try turning on wifi, get your GPS fix, shut off wifi and does GPS continue? if so, it is then using AGPS.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
It does need wifi for routing destination, but the gps unit should work without. The transformer did. Geez what an idiot CSR. The gps is a real chip in the unit not using wifi locations.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jyan_osu:
I have CoPilot so once the Prime comes in I'll test it out that way. The old Transformer just took a damn long time to lock when I had wifi turned off and was using a program that wasn't dependent on data for routing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skinien:
Considering I was once an owner of a Galaxy S, this has me really bummed out. They could never fix the GPS issue with a software update.

From my experience, having a data connection allows the device to download assistance data to obatain a GPS fix. Once this data is downloaded, its valid for a while. So, you should be able to get a quick lock with data, then disable data and get a quick lock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
However its bad that it isn't working as it should(?), it doesn't is a big problem. Who uses their Transformer (Prime) to navigate anyway? The screen is too big to watch while driving (I guess).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
I call BS on the whole GPS scare here. Maybe a few are bad, I don't know. I just unboxed mine a few minutes ago. Did the update while it was charging. Then I just had to try the GPS. I unplugged my wireless router, to make sure it wasn't being received, went outside and my Prime immediately located itself, and showed 10 satellites with the GSP Status app.

Then I powered my router back on, went outside and walked out to the street. It's about 120+ feet away. I still had usable wifi despite the walls and trees.

Now I need to force myself to leave this thing alone and let it get it's full initial battery charge!

Did I mention I love it! Thanks again Office Depot!

UPDATE 12/27/2011

Now that I have has some time to use my new toy, there does appear to be a problem. While my Prime does usually lock on and find its location fairly quickly, it seems to repeatedly reset the GPS at random intervals, losing the position and restarting the process. As others have stated, the signal reception does seem marginal and not as sensitive as some other devices.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Awesome! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skinien:
GPS can also be used to get your location when viewing a cached map (without data) which I've done while traveling.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kls629:
i know you've explained how to cache a map, can you explain again?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skinien:
Oh, I don't think I've explained it; you're probably thinking of someone else.

But to cache a map in Google Maps just search the location, long press a spot on the map, and select pre-cache.

I used this when traveling out of the country where I didn't have data once I left the hotel room. It was VERY useful!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
That GPS

needs

wifi to work is bull****. It just works faster with wifi enabled thanks to googles wifi location database.

That Asus rep you spoke with has no idea :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
Agreed, I knew there had to be a gps. my real question is/was is gps signal affected by the metal backing as some responses in this had me concerned. If gps is good to go that's awesome. Thanks, Bix
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Sure it is, WiFi/GPS/Bluetooth chips don't like metal, but it shouldn't make it too bad/useless.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdrussell:
Yeah i don't think the construction is to blame for this either. Too many GPS enabled devices are made out of aluminum. Sure it doesn't help, but it won't make GPS not work.

If this isn't operator error, it sounds like a software issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
GPS has other uses you know...1, logging where you have been. geotagging photos, and just when you need to look up a map without wifi around. Didn't think of that did ya?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
No I didn't. When you take nice picture's you would be using a normal photocamera I suppose. Also it was just an example, just saying it wouldn't be a problem for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
GPS problem with Gamestop orders only?

I spoke to another guy who got it from amazon, and testing using the same software I use, gps status, he was able to get 8-10 satellites lock on outside but lost it when coming inside. I'm wondering if the gamestop lot are first batch that gamestop got a while back before asus fix the problem? Where did you all get the prime that are having problem with GPS?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Asus fixed the WiFi issue, but I can't remember reading they fixed/did anything to the GPS?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sessionthree:
I'm upgrading to the Prime 64GB version from my Motorola Xoom. The GPS unit in the Xoom is EXCELLENT and I do not want to go to something that doesn't work as well. I am a private pilot and I attach my Xoom to my yoke when I fly using aviation software to track position, etc. I was hoping that the Transformer Prime would work just as well, but it sounds like it may not.

I may have to think about cancelling my preorder!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Does anyone know for sure that the Prime has a dedicated GPS radio? The TP didn't and relied solely on A-GPS via Wi-Fi and couldn't geo-locate without a Wi-Fi signal.

Here's a description of A-GPS from Wiki...

"Standalone" or "Autonomous" GPS operation uses radio signals from satellites alone. A-GPS additionally uses network resources to locate and utilize the satellites in poor signal conditions. In very poor signal conditions, for example in a city, these signals may suffer multipath propagation where signals bounce off buildings, or be weakened by passing through atmospheric conditions, walls or tree cover. When first turned on in these conditions, some standalone GPS navigation devices may not be able to work out a position due to the fragmentary signal, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes​
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
That's cool! :D

I would wait until there are some result from the bigger reviewers. Only few people on the forum have complaint about it, so it could be a isolated case/the software. If it really was (another..) big problem I would expect reviews would notice that earlier.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sessionthree:
I hope you're right. Since mine isn't scheduled to ship until late January or early February, I have plenty of time to see how reviews turn out. Hopefully, they will put the GPS through it's paces!

I suppose I could always get an external bluetooth GPS unit to connect to the prime if the internal GPS sucked, but I'd rather not have to do that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] curreyr:
bold added for comprehension purposes ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Well yes... ANY connectivity of the Prime will be somehow badly affected by by the metal cover. Maybe ASUS managed to circumvent this. We simple do not know yet.

All those initial reports about bad Wifi and GPS does seem to tell a bad story, but in my opinion it's still too early to finally judge all this.

The definitely thought about those issues, because they added a second wifi antenna while designing the Prime (which is NOT as easy as just putting another antenna in there, believe me).

So i DO have hope, that my EU-version (2nd or even 3rd batch I guess won't ahve these issues.

It's also possible that they spent more or les no time optimizing and testing HC and focused totally on their ICS build.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arcticreaver:
i am curious as to how people are testing the GPS. hopefully they are testing it with "Use Wireless Networks" unchecked under Location & security.

very annoying this GPS issue.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
More bold for clarity.

"Standalone" or "Autonomous" GPS operation uses radio signals from satellites alone. A-GPS additionally uses network resources to locate and utilize the satellites in poor signal conditions. In very poor signal conditions, for example in a city, these signals may suffer multipath propagation where signals bounce off buildings, or be weakened by passing through atmospheric conditions, walls or tree cover. When first turned on in these conditions, some standalone GPS navigation devices may not be able to work out a position due to the fragmentary signal, rendering them unable to function until a clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes​

You missed the point of my question. You can geo-locate via A-GPS alone but only if you have a Wi-Fi signal. Having a dedicated GPS radio allows you to locate (like navigating in a car) strictly using a GPS signal without network connectivity. So is it confirmed the Prime has a dedicated GPS radio and isn't relying on A-GPS via WiFi?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] curreyr:
The "additionally" part of A-GPS implies GPS ...

Otherwise it would be Wifi-Positioning-System ...

---------- Post added at 12:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:02 PM ----------

also note the bit about "clear signal can be received continuously for up to 12.5 minutes"

I hear people ***** about their GPS enabled cameras "take a long time to lock" ... yup, up to 12.5 minutes, kinda the nature of it.

My camera has a mode to "keep GPS lock", so I can pull it out snap a pic and have it geo-logged. Of couse tho that "keep GPS lock" will also eat the battery ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Yes and no. Yes to "To use AGPS you need Wifi." No to: "The Prime has some kind of inferior GPS whichNEEDS wifi"

Fact is that the "A" part of AGPS only works with either a mobile data connection (we don't have one in the prime) or with wifi.

But if we don't have wifi it just uses the normal GPS positing.

It's the case that AGPS needs BOTH the rough location of the device AND a connection to the internet.

AGPS downloads assitance data from the internet which normally comes via the GPS satellites. Unfortunately GPS data connection is veeeeery slow. So downloading this data from the GPS satellites is taking quite some minutes.

AGPS now downloads this data from the internet, but in order to do that it needs to know its rough location.

Via mobile data connection this is done via the mobile network antennas and triangulation.

With wifi it uses googles wifi location database to determine the rough location.

This is also the reason why for example Symbian can't use AGPS via Wifi, it can't determine the location with wifi... Only via a mobile data connection.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
I used the GPS Test app from the market, then from within that app I deleted Agps data and downloaded new Agps data. I locked within a minute, and even see 5 sats in my house... Give that a try.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
I hope you don't think that this screenshot shows that you locked to GPS :)

Because it does NOT :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
Green dot, top left = LOCKED :)

i went into Google-Maps and was locked there as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Well...the problem is... You can't lock with two satellites.... :/ You need at least 4 of it...

But I don't know that app maybe it displays crap :)

Do you have wifi locating turned on? Because that "seems" to lock you aswell. But you're not ;)