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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] duglas:
I just got mine, turned it on, said there was an update and installed HC.. Then came to the forum to see what I can do with it... Now I see I should of waited to upgade.. It is my darn daughter's fault! I spent the last 6 hours rooting and installing the market on her Kindle Fire when this HTC is a much better unit for almost the same price!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
A forced upgrade?

I'd consider this a breach of contract on their part. At least complain about it, otherwise they may make a practice of forced upgrades during repairs, which would effect those of us who DO OPPOSE.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Can my two beta testers make their machines ready for remote access this evening? I be active a little after 5 eastern. One of you knows who you are, the other I spoke to on #alpharev last night.

Before the questions start I'm not going to name them, to avoid them getting bombarded with questions and I an NOT looking for anyone else at this time so do not pm/email etc asking if you can be an early tester, the answer is no.

I am only posting this in the open so that people know there is progress. I am not going to answer any questions on what that progress is or how much longer it will take. In the alpharev/Revolutionary tradition it will be released when ready.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Thanks for letting us know that you "have your teeth sunk into it". Glad it is being worked on.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deejayspinz:
@globatron - you rock! Just be sure to take some time for the holidays!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] rbebber:
Thanks for the hard work!!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] RedWingsFan:
Great News!!!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsoplinger:
That seems a bit harsh as people may have gotten their View and started it letting it do its thing which includes an OTA update to Honeycomb before ever going online and finding this forum and this thread. I reread the first post and I didn't see anything other than the if you do it you're stuck remark.

I'm not an Android programmer but it's just getting the S-off magic to work with the newest HTC bootloader, no? Or is this way more difficult to do than my simple sentence implies? Or is there other difficulties also? Perhaps just a comment like "if you apply the OTA HC update you'll have to wait until NASA gets a man on Mars because that technology will be needed to get a custom ROM working" in that intro will stop the questions.

Just my $0.05 (adjusted for inflation)

Sent from my HTC Flyer P512 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
No, it is not harsh.

It was mentioned many times on this board.

One doesn't follow what people tell him and then comes here asking whether developers will do some specials?

Sorry bud, you are on your own.

Developers time can be spent on something much more valuable for the community.

Such as custom ROMs and kernels.

My humble opinion but of course.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Take a closer look at the third point under number 1 and 2, also at the time the question was asked there was another thread in the top 5 on the forum (outside of stickies) which asked the same question.

Yeah it is more difficult and has nothing whatsoever to do with android programming.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] december30:
it is every easy to root. just use the old Recovery that you used with your rooted View and then, install Su old version or new if you can. then update SU if you installed the old version. now you are free to go.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
The old CWM recovery won't run with a stock hboot because it's not signed, even if it would the old recovery won't boot with the new hboot, stock or S-OFF. Let's just leave it at that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
so..where to expect announcement?:)

Here or in the new section?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
This thread will have a link to a thread in the new section.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsoplinger:
At least there will be a way for people who don't use the OTA HC upgrade to get/keep root. That means its more likely that someone(s) will work on developing a custom ROM, right? One perhaps without the bar that many people seem to hate? And not possible at all if there isn't a way to get to the current version with root and S-off?

Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Xparent Purple Tapatalk
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
This thread HAS a link to another thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1409306
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] JCatman:
+++++++++++++++++++++

As a Noob, am I understanding this correctly? The current effort is to develop a way to allow current non-HC rooted, s-off users a way to accept the HC update and retain root and HC, but not assist those who do not have root/s-off and already accepted the HC update. explanation appreciated.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] medkid:
Is there a stock rom RUU for this honeycomb for View yet ? Can you provide a link plz ?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] rbebber:
That pretty much sums it up, hc is not rooted or s-off able.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Ok, breaking news at this point. Rollback from offical ota is possible.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ExBrasil:
S-offed my View through Revolutionary a couple days ago but kept stock Rom and little cousin accepted Update prompt today leading to Blue Droid with orange exclamation point...

Bricked at this point, can't pull battery on View any suggestions to get it working?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Vol down+power until it powers off, keep pressing vol down and release power. takes you to bootloader.

Perform step six from the view s-off procedure in the view dev forum. You'll be on honeycomb.

I'll get you downgraded tomorrow if thats what you want.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ExBrasil:
Hmmm.... Sorry for the bother..

Right after I posted, I connected the View by USB to the comp and did Vol Down and Power button.

Took me to what I believe is the CWM screen or recovery screen and I selected Fastboot and then Reboot and the View shut off.

When I powered back on it was back to original state.

So I guess my next question is, if I DO upgrade to HC will I lose all my data like a fresh install?

And are there any huge benefits by updating to HC?

Like I said I had already done S-off but I didn't root yet because my View didn't come with an SD card so I'm waiting for that to come in the mail tomorrow...

And thank you for the quick support Glob!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
Answer to the first question is yes.

Since you are not rooted, you don't have Titanium backup. W/Titanium you probably can restore your data and apps on HC, but I haven't tried this.

My answer to the second question:

It depends.

HC is slick and runs faster.

However, I want back my hardware buttons and the ability to turn off the software buttons.

So I went back to GB.

Or rather Globatron put my View back to GB after I made it soft-bricked.

I might reconsider if one of the custom HC ROMs will have this feature.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ValenteL:
I have a HTC Flyer Locked S-On all stock.

Today it has updated by OTA from 2.3.4 to HC 3.2.1.

The HBoot before was 1.11.0003, now is 1.11.0011

Radio was 3809.07.0406_M, now is 3822.10.08.07_M

Other things on HBoot are same.

Sofware:

From 2.23.405.4 to 3.55.405.1

Kernel is the same (new date only)

Base Band version from 20.3504.30.089BU_3809.07.04.06_M

to 4801.30.0822U_3822.10.08.07_M

It continue stock S-On til ICS 4.0.x stock.

And after may be ...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] RaptorMD:
So are we now safe again based on the update to the OP? I just ordered an Evo View off of eBay and wanted to make sure I would be able root and and S-Off, etc.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
yes, and for now I have a procedure for downgrade for s-off without unlocking but I need a tester before releasing it as working.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
Further clarification, please...

So we can just follow the OTA update and we'll be able to S-off and root after the OTA?

In other words, this entire thread's premise was nullified by an additional OTA update by HTC? I can do the update the easy way(OTA) and then root in Honeycomb?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
No, no and no.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
Thanks for some clarifying

Then we newbs will wait until the developers finish testing the beta hboot and when a more simplified process is outlined in common language we can follow those step-by-step instructions.

It will be very helpful to so many of us! Thanks!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
That was done a long time ago.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] RoadTowed:
>>

UPDATED:

HTC unlock supports the View.

I have S-OFF working as an upgrade path

It is possible to rollback from HC to GB, irrespective of S-OFF or not.

There is some more work required on the procedures, but it can all be done.

>>

@Globatron...............What is the Date of this,above quoted. "Update" ?

We ignorant ones don't know how to know if this is current;

the OP posting date is 21 Dec 2011
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
26th December, the entire thread is marked as obsolete so I really don't have much concern about these details.
[HTC Sensation] Stephen:
I have installed a stock sensation version 1.50. I have also rooted it and have CWM on my phone.

When I try to install any kernel I get status 7 error and they will not install.

I tried Faux123 HTC and Bricked HTC both same result.

I am trying to lower my MA in stand by. I am getting about 150ma to 180ma. This is with everything off expect data.

I had my phone on stand by for 11 hours last night and it dropped 22% HD2 running sense 3.5 roms only dropped obout 5 -6% using same settings!
[LG Optimus Black] Tedo:
I've a problem after (more than one) firmware update....

My P970 don't recognize recognize charger & don't go in USB mode (PC don't view the SD card)

I try CM7 and Nova, I also have a brick after flashed a kernel Nova in a Rom stock.

After that I put a new Rom stock v10c by KDZ but now have this terrible problem....

How can I solve it....? :confused:

Many thanks :)
[LG Optimus Black] interdan:
have you tried to do an hard reset?
[LG Optimus Black] Tedo:
Yes by enter in the hidden menu (3845#*970#) but nothing change....
[LG Optimus Black] gornog:
I have the same problem since 2 months. I'm currently with the last temasek Kang release, kernel nova 11c.

The only way to charge correctly the battery is to wait the phone self extinction, by low battery, wait around 10 minutes, and plug the charger. Another weird thing: when I plug the shut down phone to sector, it will autoboot (everytime).

Else, when I try to charge the phone, 2 different behaviours:

1) most of time it charges anyway, but not detected as charging. The phone overheat, and could self extinct because of that. Time of use with a battery charged like that is very poor.

2) sometimes, nothing happen. No charge.

I'm very bored by this bug.
[LG Optimus Black] gabwerkz:
Check your USB cables, the pins inside. As well as the USB connector on the phone itself. Use a different cable. I/we never had this kind of problem (not charging so it isn't a bug or something but rather hardware problem. If not USB, battery problem.

If not, do a full wipe and reflash the KANGed RC0. If problems persists, revert to Froyo stock so you could test. I'm after the warranty for you if you still have the problem in Froyo.

That auto reboot is well known for CM7. Again, this also is not a bug but a feature.
[LG Optimus Black] gornog:
Checked with 3 different cables and several chargers (including original ones). Phone USB connector seems OK, but cannot really check it.

2 batteries. Reproducible.

Did full wipes several times, but no effect. It's hard to go back to stock Froyo without phone-to-computer connection, and I don't want to loose ability to root my OB after that.

:) OK

Anyway, thanks for all. If we are only few people with this bug, it seems to be a material failure indeed.

I may look for the warranty, but as I changed country (from EU to Canada), it will be quite complicated, and I need my phone :/. Just a (stupid) idea, maybe the phone didn't support the 110V, after 220V charging usage (but charger should support these 2 voltages).
[LG Optimus Black] Tedo:
I come back to v10b europe, across a lot of wipe.... :) :) :)

Fortunatly the charger was recognized....

The problem was't "don't charge" but "not recognized"

Unfortunately today try to flash the Quasar kernel, and now I have the same problem.....

The charger, charge, but don't recognized and the USB to PC don't work's.....!!! :mad:
[LG Optimus Black] dcardozo:
Turn phone off

Remove battery

Wait 10 seconds

Put battery back.

Turn phone on
[LG Optimus Black] brownowski:
I had this issue on my Optimus Black with stock Froyo rom.

My symptoms were:

- device recognized as 'modem' in Windows but no option in Android to switch into "USB Mode". Phone update software would still recognise phone was connected and I could run a firmware recovery using LG tools. Reflashed and reset to factory many times didn't fix the issue.

- if phone switched off and plugged into charger or USB would go into "SW Upgrade" mode

- I could force "USB mode" to appear on the phone by opening the hidden menu and switching the USB to "AP Mode" I think it was.

- I found the USB connections would disconnect after a period of time and sometimes the "AP mode" workaround wouldn't work.

- tried different cables, chargers and PCs and all present the same problems.

- having the battery unplugged for an extended period would get the phone working temporarily but the problem would come back after a short while.

Eventually got on to LG Support and sent it off for repair. They replaced the motherboard as faulty.

I think the problem may have been caused by a faulty car charger that I have since replaced, but ultimately replacing the motherboard on the phone fixed the problem.

If your phone is covered under warranty, I'd be sending it off for repair as it is probably a hardware issue.
[LG Optimus Black] Tedo:
All of my thanks.....

I've the same problems.... All as you described!!!! :(

So after Christmas time, I'll go to an LG support! :mad:
[LG Optimus Black] saulmontes:
problem found

I own a celular repair shop in baja california mex. and resently some one brougth a LG Optimus Black p970 with same simptoms ,heat,no power no usb conectiviti and chargin problems I found a conector on the inside part of the device with some visual damage (over heat) plastic melted just a minimun part of it so i check the hole conector and I found that two conections were lost by the overheat problem

this is coused by the charging conection bad design

:cool: Ask no Problem :cool:
[LG Optimus Black] Akzey:
I'm having same problem as stated by others. :( This is annoying me.

Its just been 2 months I've got this phone and it feels real bad to face such problems so soon.

Am facing problems like. I connected my phone to PC via USB and it showed me the option to Turn on Mass Storage, I clicked on it and it showed me the Mass Storage Drive on my PC too. But in just minute or two it disconnected on its own and SD Card started scanning and again it got connected by its own but then after that it disconnected again and it on pc it started to install drivers again. Which were already installed like 5 or 6 of them.

I formatted the phone twice. Removed the battery for around 5-6 minutes. Used like 4 USB cables. Installed LGE drivers from LGE Software updater.

This is so bad. :mad:
[LG Optimus Black] N00BY0815:
What software are you guys using? Which ROM?
[LG Optimus Black] ohadz:
I've also been experiencing this situation, one time this problem caused a loss of all my SD data! (my sd card got corrupted)

I'm on Zeus V6.11 right now, and I must say that USB storage is working great for me in CWM Recovery, even though it doesn't work on my phone when it's turned on in Android.

How to check whether it's an hardware problem in my phone, or just a fault of my compuer?
[LG Optimus Black] andrewbadge:
Experiencing this problem for around two months now. I suspect my charger to be damaged. Since I can charge the phone via the USB port. When I try to charge the phone via the charger it doesn't respond, but when I pull it off the charger the phone will boot. Had the motherboard already replaced by LG service center, but the problem wasn't solved.

The phone can connect to PC without any problems. PC can connect to mass storage.

So now, I'm using a Corby II charger and it seems to do a great job at charging my OB
[LG Optimus Black] Akzey:
Currently I'm using Stock Root v20b rom. :(

No software's nothing, as I stated I even formatted my phone twice.

It was working well around 2 days back. I had just plugged my usb cable to phone via pc and then all of a sudden the phone started acting weird, like it was connecting and disconnecting frequently, and then it started to install the LGE drivers by itself, which were already installed didn't even touch them nor uninstalled anything.

Tried using Sony Xperia Neo V's USB cable too, but no luck. :(
[LG Optimus Black] xpaps:
Once I lost my USB cable.

then i brought a cheap uUSB cable. Icud transfer data from PC, but charging rate was really very SLOW... :eek: nearly 4hr.!!

Now i replaced it with new Original one, n every thing working Perfect... :)
[LG Optimus Black] PabloFiasko:
I am seeing the same problems - charger is not recognized and USB mode is not working. Different cables / chargers, different Win7 and Ubuntu PCs.

I formerly used a rooted V20o from here, with which the problem first appeared, now I went over to Zeus 6.22, which still shows the same problems.

I believe the hardware is faulty.

Can anybody help me how to regain warranty? I have the stock V20o (unrooted), but since USB does not work, I cannot flash it the regular way. Is it possible now to flash from sd card?
[LG Optimus Black] Tedo:
Try with LG standard update software, you have the emergency menu....
[LG Optimus Black] seyiaky:
If you want to viwe your sd card try the Samba Filesharing app. I have the same problem on cm7 and with this App i can see my SD Card
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] superprelude:
I have many occasions where the touch screen doesn't response correctly, a reboot usually fix it.

Last night, when I plugged in my charger, the touch screen was jumping around, and I couldn't even unlock it.

Then I unplugged it, everything works perfect.

Then I plugged it again, it's jumping around.

Tried few times, the problem was reproducible.

Anyone got any problem with the touch screen?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] tommynosedigger:
Are you rooted?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] superprelude:
yes, rooted stock
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] silver03wrx:
When this happens just reboot your phone
[Android General] AllGamer:
all very interesting info quoted from Cnet

but what is the point you are trying to get at by opening this topic? :confused:
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
One other reason sales are higher on the App Store: people who buy into the Apple system accept the high premium that comes along with it and generally don't take issue with spending for apps. Part of the mindset coming in with Android is the idea of open, free development and therefore a lot of people sit back and wait for a free version of paid apps to come out. Just part of the different perspectives generally seen in the two markets. Developers who understand this have ad-based apps and still get their revenue, especially the ones who make it quite easy to accidentally click ads =P

There's also the fact that some developers allow you to donate as you like and don't require you to do so directly through the market, so there's more revenue that isn't directly seen as a "paid app" sale.
[Android General] ddemers:
I dont think Android being open source may much of a difference, if you look at the world as a whole 99.9% of people looking at phones/tablets have no clue what open source even means.

That little 'ITunes' card makes the world of difference. I had an IPAd for 1 year, I spent maybe 20 bucks on apps, I have spent maybe 5 bucks on android apps in a few months. Now if I were to get an Android 50.00 gift card, I bet I would spend that within a month!

These gift cards are HUGE for the younger market where they dont have cell phones and they all have ipods, and starting to get Ipads/Iphones.
[Android General] taethebest:
Interesting
[Android General] brianwzb:
This make sense
[Android General] Phrenks:
I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure that Apple's philosophy is not conditioned by a single, specific device.

With the second part I do agree. Apple users are generally people who are able to pay for more expenses. Especially those who have a few Apple products. If you're willing and able to pay over 1k$ for a laptop, then a couple of bucks for an app is nothing.

There's a third reason why Apple has more app sales: it forces you to link your account to a credit card, so you're automatically set to pay for apps. In the Android market, you have to "detour" to link your credit card to your account.
[Android General] Zappescu:
For the Android developer point of vue it is most valuable to use the freemium approach instead of the classic app purchase. It seems that the player prefer to play for free and buy something here and there to improve the game experience. A lot of games are doing that out there.
[Android General] alex2792:
Most Android phones sold are of the buy 1 get 1(sometimes 2) free variety, and virtually all Android users that I know either don't download apps, have no clue that their phone runs Android or pirate apps by side loading. Personally I only bought 1 app in 2yrs of using various Android phones because most of them were far inferior to iOS versions usually sporting awful UI(due to the fact that Android SDK is a joke compared to Xcode).
[Android General] Falkner09:
I'm not talking about Apple's philosophy, I'm talking about the revenue potential for developers for iOS devices. What I'm saying is, the iPod has created iOS's own form of fragmentation. a Large portion of iOS users have an iPod touch that's only occasionally able to receive ads (connected) and even then, it's probably not connected when using most apps, especially games.

I had an iPod touch for 2 years back before I got an Android phone, and I only ever turned on the wifi to use the browser, a few news reader apps while killing downtime at work, and the app store/iTunes. that last one I did only very rarely, and I always turned the wifi off immediately after those uses, with the battery being so weak. I NEVER turned it on during games; in fact, If I was playing a game, I always made sure wifi was off, because so many games drained the battery very quickly, so I had to be especially power conscious.

So, if a dev wants to make apps for iOS, they have to consider that if they go ad based, a large portion of people will not give them any revenue at all due to being not connected to receive ads. that's why developers often charge for iOS apps, yet often make the same apps free or cheaper on Android.

Don't make the mistake of assuming Apple has a smarter philosophy than that; remember, the iPhone and iPod touch were never originally designed to have a downloadable app store to begin with. in fact, Steve Jobs openly admitted that he was opposed to it when his subordinates tried to convince him to allow it. It wasn't until the first iOS devices were jailbroken and hackers created Cydia (well before the official app store) that Apple saw the potential and caved. at that point, they had already released the iPod touch anyway, so they were stuck. Add to that the fact that they didn't really have a division designed to sell and distribute ads for other businesses at the time, and you can see how they weren't really prepared to see what the best long term system would be.