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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] honghsien5:
Yeah I do use sixaxiscontroller

That's probably the main reason I guess

Should I uninstall it or is there a specific setting to prevent the drain?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
I forget the exact trick, but I think if you toggle Bluetooth off then on after shutting it down, it will fix the problem.

I think there may be a way to make sixaxiscontroller shut down cleanly too, but I'm not sure.

There was some trick involving disabling things in the right order when you were done with it that worked, I forget the exact order - might want to search here for sixaxiscontroller.
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tarunalpha:
i want an upgrade on my galaxy 3(GTI5801), so considering these two droids which one is better futureproof wise and performance wise.

plz plz suggest
[Verizon Droid Charge] streetlightman:
Is there a way to get Google Talk with Video on our devices? I believe that InfinityRom had it or currently has it but I'm reluctant to flash a new ROM just for that.

Thanks
[Verizon Droid Charge] UnEZ:
From what I understand Google is removing video from Google talk and instead integrating it with Google+.
[Verizon Droid Charge] charlie_c:
It works in Google+ messenger right now.
[Verizon Droid Charge] streetlightman:
Thanks for your help
[Acer Iconia Tab A100] loudog3114:
Are these devices so different that neither can be done? My a500 is hacked beyond recognition, and runs awesome. I was wondering if anyone had tried getting an a500 kernel on the a100?
[Acer Iconia Tab A100] crossix:
There is one thing that stands in the way of us trying anything with this device and that is the locked bootloader. Fortunatly for the a500, acer was lazy and didnt try that hard to lock it down. With this device though they setup a 256bit encrypted bootloader that cant be touched unless you have the key from acer or a super hacker can break the encryption. Acer even learned from this and put an updated bootloader in one of their updates they released for the a500 which hasnt been hacked yet.

Until either one of these two things happen for this device you wont see any "real" dev support for it including cwm or any custom roms. This has been stated many times through out this forum.
[Acer Iconia Tab A100] loudog3114:
Wow, ouch...

The only thing I had read is that everyone is waiting for ICS to bother doing any developing, but I figured maybe some of the a500 hacks would work on the a100. Guess not. Oh well.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
UPDATED:

HTC unlock supports the View.

I have S-OFF working as an upgrade path

It is possible to rollback from HC to GB, irrespective of S-OFF or not.

There is some more work required on the procedures, but it can all be done.

-----Information below this line is kept for historical reference------

The Honeycomb upgrade for the View is expected to start rolling out.

Before taking this upgrade please read the following in order to be aware of the consequences of taking the upgrade if you want any root options or custom ROMs or custom recovery.

It is expected that the upgrade will contain a new hboot (that has been strongly hinted at by reliable sources but never explicitly confirmed), that being the case you should be aware of the following consequences:

If you take this upgrade there is no HTC unlock for the View yet.

This means no root for now

This means no custom ROMs for now

This means no rollback to gingerbread for now

In other words this is a dead-end for now.

There is no S-OFF tool for the view when running on HC (revolutionary will not work)

This means no root for now

This means no custom ROMs for now

This means no rollback to gingerbread for now

In other words this is a dead-end for now.

There is currently no known working temp root exploit on HC (again this means no rollback)

So with that depressing information out of the way, here is the good news:

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

While some of you will want to stay completely stock and have no need for root or custom roms/recovery and I entirely respect that opinion and option as being valid others may be undecided. If you are undecided I strongly suggest that you either:

Wait until you have decided

Perform the S-OFF upgrade, which is reversible and will allow you to go back to stock if you want to.

Again, to re-iterate if you take the upgrade as is you will be stuck with no options but to stay completely stock.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] E.T.Heil:
I hate to ask this, but I want to make sure since I am newb in all areas relating to rooting,flashing etc. You are in fact referring to the View and not the Flyer?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] RedWingsFan:
Thanks for the heads up.

I am getting my View in the next week and will not upgrade to HC until there is a way to roll back to GB
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Yes, I put an "over the top" highlight of the in the first post to clarify.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mschafe:
Just got the notification on mine too, thanks for the heads up even though I really want to upgrade. I will wait!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deejayspinz:
Another question from a 1 week old Android Noob. Is this update you are referring to an official one from HTC/Sprint? (my device is out of WiFi range, so I cant tell if there are updates), or is this from devs like yourself (globatron)?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Official release.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kabuk1:
I hate HC & planned to decline it anyway, so do you have any idea if it will keep prompting me to update if I hit decline?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
I don't know about that way, but you can turn off checking altogether anyway.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TSGM:
Another question from a newbie. Is everything you said (except for the rollout date) still applicable to the Wi-Fi HC update for the Flyer? That is to say, we should wait for further news before upgrading from stock GB to HC?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartan1987:
@Globatron did somebody upload the update for you yet? If not, I'm getting ready to dl it and I can. Just let me know.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
No. There is an official HTC unlock for those, and as a result it is possible to rollback to GB and S-OFF there, that said I have all the pieces needed to handle the upgrade S-OFF upgrade of the flyer from day 1.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Upload is in progress, but by all means provide another mirror in case the first one goes bad or any other problems arise.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartan1987:
No problem, I'll post a link when I'm done.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TSGM:
I assume you mean, rollback to GB.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
yeah, sorry...updating previous post to avoid confusing others.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kennyminot:
I don't want to whine and clog up the thread, but some comments are driving me nuts. Plus, this might clear up some confusion. Here's some things I've learned over the last couple weeks, when I've been waiting for the impending Honeycomb update:

1. While the hardware of the HTC Evo View and the HTC Flyer is extremely similar, they are different enough that the Honeycomb upgrade for the View won't work on the Flyer. If you have questions about the Honeycomb Flyer update, you probably should redirect any questions to that thread. Flyer users have already been able to update to Honeycomb for a couple weeks, which has been the cause of much jealousy among us View owners.

2. Globatron - who I will commend for somehow having all this inside information - has clearly marked this as a View thread. To just give you a couple examples, it's titled, "WARNING to View Users" and also contains "View" in giant red letters in the opening few sentences. This information clearly doesn't apply to the Flyer.

Three cheers to Globatron. I'll be taking his advice and waiting until he can post a rootable HC update. I'm thrilled about possibly having universal stylus support, which will make this tablet the best $250 I've ever put down on a piece of technology.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] redzee:
GoodandEvo.net has this warning about updating if rooted.

Update: If you rooted using Revolutionary, hold off on applying this update for now. I'm currently stuck at the white HTC start-up screen, and now have to wait for my battery to die before I can fix this in recovery since there's no way to pull the battery on this tablet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartan1987:
Word. Globatron is pretty much the Evo View God. $0.02
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
post back there an tell the OP to flash the recovery and boot images from GB via fastboot.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
Thanks globatron.

I am running one and only (for now) custom ROM, so I was aware of the potential problems w/HC update, bricking the View.

So you if you are running non-stock ROM, you almost certainly soft brick your view by trying to install this upgrade.

I renamed phone.apk and cannot be bothered by OTA updates anymore :D

Will be patiently waiting for the new development.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] RedWingsFan:
Since I don't have my View yet, my best bet (when it arrives) would be to:

1. Not download any OTA updates available

2. If I want root, do it via Globatron's method in other thread (check h-boot first)

3. Wait for Globatron's tool for S-Off to S-Off upgrade to HC
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] focbuster78:
Now this might be somewhat of a noob question, but I just kinda want to know the explanation and or answer. Is it impossible to Just make a Rooted HC rom that you can flash on an already rooted View?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] spartan1987:
Not unless we can keep the old Hboot or be able to keep S-off with the new one. Since the OTA auto updates you to the new Hboot you would lose root and S-off. best bet is just to let Globatron do his magic.

@Globatron btw I contacted TeamWin about getting official support for TWRP on the View and they responded saying they'd have to hack something to get the touch based stuff they just brought out working, but they said they could get the non-touch based version going possibly. I volunteered myself to test and dropped your name to contact if they had any Dev questions. If you didn't want that I apologize. We really need official recovery support that can back up the RSA keys.

Edit: dropbox link for the OTA

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/54193141/OT...1.22.651.2_release_2310617n25jzbh791c6frl.zip
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
I have a related issue... I rooted a long time ago using Revolutionary, and it's my understanding that the bootloader that's installed with that has write-protection that doesn't allow any other bootloader to overwrite the one from Revolutionary.

So here's my issue. I can successfully download and install the Honeycomb update, but my View won't boot - I get stuck at the white HTC start-up screen. When I boot into the bootloader, it's still the old one from Revolutionary. I've tried manually flashing the new Honeycomb bootloader and the old Gingerbread bootloader in fastboot, but they don't stick -- adb says that it flashed successfully, but the bootloader doesn't actually change.

Any ideas? Is my tablet doomed to never have Honeycomb?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Thanks for the info. I am hoping you will be able to get an s-off to s-off update worked out for us.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] contradude:
Globatron is working on the upgrade path right now. You are pretty lucky the hboot didn't stick or else it would be game over for any custom roms or rooting, quite possibly forever. I've been here since the beginning and sitting on my hands is tough but it will pay off.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deejayspinz:
Guys.. another noob question. I have been diligently reading these forums and trying to understand all the lingo (rooting, s-off, OTA etc etc). I think I have an idea but want to make sure I understand the reason for waiting. I have a stock View right now and would like to try Honeycomb - but may want to go back, and later may want to try ICS. Do I understand it correctly that if I go the route of downloading the one provided by HTC/Sprint, that I won't be able to go back and this is one reason why Globatron is working on an s-off? I guess I just don't entirely understand the concept behind having to root and s-off devices? Is this so that a user can have permissions to go back and flash the stock Gingerbread ROM in the event that they don't like Honeycomb? ... and that we are waiting for someone like Globatron to modify the provided ROM from HTC/Sprint so we have the ability to go back, or change to other ROMs?

Is the general idea/steps:

- root device

- get s-off working (when developed)

- then load a modified ROM (eg the View Honeycomb that Globatron is working on now)?

- what if I want to backup my entire device as it is now (take an image), and be able to reload that image? Can this be done?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kaijura:
Let me try to make this easier for you since the devs hands are full from answering these questions. It sounds like this is the first time you are attempting to modify an android device.

YOU ARE STOCK Gingerbread View (2.3.3 or 2.3.4)

A) You upgrade to Stock Honeycomb View -> You loose any ability to load a custom recovery or root for the time being. It may be even indefinitely if the devs can't find a way to gain root.

B) You keep yourself at stock Gingerbread -> You still have a rootable device and can load custom roms, but are advised to not upgrade until the patched HC is out and you can continue to load custom roms and whatever you want when that is completed.

I'm going to try a simple computer analogy assuming you run windows or OSX.

S-ON means the Hboot can't be modified. You can only boot directly into Stock Windows without any option, opportunity to boot into a custom OS. It's like saying it's a one way street directly into the Stock OS.

S-OFF means the Hboot can be modified. Think of it as a custom boot for Windows if that's what you're using. It allows you to install "modified Windows" that is free of some programs or whatever are tweaked/removed/improved in custom roms. This is like saying there is multiple streets at an intersection that allow you to end at the destination YOU choose it to be (which is the rom).

There is no point in backing up your device if you are on stock and intend to stay stock unless you just want to save your data. There's no way to revert from Honeycomb->Gingerbread with official stock rom. It's like I just said, a one way street. If you attempted to do it, it likely wouldn't even let you or you'll end up bricking your device after trying to downgrade.

The general steps are

1) Achieve S-OFF to customize the HBOOT

2) Achieve root / Load Recovery program

3) Flash the custom rooted roms and be able to flash more custom stuff in the future.

Globatron is NOT working on a ROM. He's working on re-gaining S-OFF for people who want to load Honeycomb on their tablet.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Immix:
Yes you won't be able to go back to GB or flash custom ROMs if you upgrade to HC via official channels. Wait for Globatron to do his thing. There will be detailed step by step instructions on how to upgrade to HC using Globatron's method later.

My understanding is that all android phones (possily all phones) have such a thing called bootloaders. These bootloaders are gateways to flash ROMs, kernel, Radio SW, Recovery SW, etc. on to the phones. On a HTC device, HBOOT is the bootloader version that governs whether a custom ROM, kernel, etc. can be flashed on to the device. By default almost all HTC devices come with a locked state of HBOOT. This is called S-ON. In this state it is not possible to flash custom ROMs, kernels, etc. Devs have found ways to unlock HBOOT on some devices. This is called S-OFF. By acheiving S-OFF you can flash custom ROMs on your HTC device. This includes going back and forth between GB and HC and ICS (if and when it becomes available).

Root is completely different from S-OFF. By rooting your phone you get read and write access to the file system of the system partition, which contains the system files of the ROM installed on that device. Rooting enables you to modify (theme) the existing ROM. You can read up more on bootloader unlocking vs rooting online.

The official HC upgrade conatains a new version of HBOOT for which an unlock or S-OFF is not available. This means that if you upgrade to HC OTA, your device will get flashed with the new HBOOT and because it is locked, you will not be able to flash custom ROMs or go back to GB if you don't like HC.

Globatron is trying to find a way to preserve the existing HBOOT version which is S-OFFable while upgrading to HC.

Globatron's method will let you do all of the above.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
Globatron,

When you and your fellow magicians create the desired hboot, S-off patch, and rooting codes; will you please post the link on this thread as well as the new threads that will obviously be appropriate for the new releases?

Also, since the HTC Evo View release is here, (check your

Settings>System Updates>HTC Software Updates>Check Now

), I'd recommend that folks check their apps to inventory any of them which are not compatible with Honey Comb. This is a bigger issue than previous updates (like moving from 2.2 to 2.3).

Also, HTC releases the notifications for OS updates. You don't need a Sprint acct. to get the updates.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
ive only had my device since yesterday...but ive managed to grab a tab that had the original software on it. s-offed with revolutionary, and modified each different ota update.zip to apply the patches but not update anything in the firmware.zips.

updated all the way up to honeycomb without a hitch. i know the hboots have to be updated, but one thing i noticed was the fact that it randomly told me

"random offset: 0x2a2" when flashing the stock boot.img

im working on a honeycomb rom for the view...just wanted to put in my 2cents since we dont have an IRC channel to collaborate on.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
I am not so sure I want to install it even after S-Off fix will be found on XDA.

I like the hardware buttons and don't want to get rid of them and take valuable screen space with the software buttons.

My rooted View on custom ROM is extremely fast as it is.

2330 on Quadrant.

Can someone convince me that HC is necessary?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] deejayspinz:
Thanks for the informative posts @kaijura & @Immix
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sojuman77:
I need help plz!!!

I'm a noob and just got my view. I had it s-off with revolutionary. I did not read this thread but I tried to update my view and bricked it. Any solution??
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Re-flash the honeycomb clockworkmod recovery through fastboot, power off your view from the fastboot menu and wait until tomorrow. It's 4.30 AM here and I'm done for the night. I'll sort you out tomorrow.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
New hboot related. The boot offsets for the boot images has changed, you'll need the contents of the firmware.zip this time ( exception being hboot )
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Maine_Coon:
He figured it all out, I bet.

Crucial question though:

If I install this, will I be able to go back to my GB ?

I have root. I have CWM. I have Nandroid backup.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kaijura:
One benefit of HC is video chat in Google Talk. Something gingerbread will not get, but that is the motivating point for me! I am waiting patiently to be able to cam in gchat.

There are other stuff like better support for multiple cores (well, not for us), a better keyboard (in my opinion).

You can see a general list here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#3.x_Honeycomb
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
I'm glad I came here before trying to take the update. I'll wait for globatron to work his magic.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] matthewallen72:
ok so my son was playing with my view last night, and accepted the update. well, it bricked the device. I was able to get it back to gingerbread, by using the ruu though fastboot, but I sit with the new hboot, s-off on gingerbread. no clue what I should or can do at this point. Can I still get root, will it allow the update? any ideas anyone?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] E.T.Heil:
First off, thanks to Globatron for his efforts. While I read the warning about HC before I knew there was an update, I went ahead and installed it anyways as I haven't seen a ROM yet that was interesting enough for me to root the device. I have seen quite a few posts about waiting for Global to "work his magic" and I just have one thing to ask.

Globatron, do you need any help/assistance/funds/equipment that may make your life a little easier? I don't know how much I can personally contribute for this arduous task but I would imagine that all of the View users could make things a bit easier for you instead of barking at the door, so to speak, waiting for additional goodies :D

[EDIT]
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
You don't have the new hboot.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] matthewallen72:
globatron my hboot is now 6.13.1002 was nothing like that before. thoughts?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] phantomotap:
I think you are fine; that's what my Revolutionary'ied View reports.

Soma
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] matthewallen72:
hmmm So I think i can just repush clockworkmod but i want root as well. suggestions?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
follow the steps from the revolutionary thread for what to do if it fails to download CWM.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
Globatron, I think there's a bit of a miscommunication here. I think I know what you meant, but when you studied the "over the air" upgrade package, you said it had a new hboot (meaning the old modified hboot won't be compatible)

The Android operating system has a built in hboot. Developers made a replacement hboot for Gingerbread. The Honeycomb over-the-air update deletes the old hboot and installs a new one.

I think what you were trying to say is that we don't yet have a

modified

Honeycomb hboot until someone writes a reliable replacement for the stock install hboot.

Is this what you were conveying?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
No, I meant exactly what I said....still gingerbread hboot. 6.13 is a revolutionary hboot for gingerbread.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] vancraft:
My bad...

Yep, now that I reread his point, he's back on GB because he didn't successfully install HC. I had thought he was still on the new hboot.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
So, question. If I RUU back to stock GB, then take the HC update, would I be able to RUU back to GB if I want, or would I not be able to access fastboot anymore?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsweetness:
No.

As globatron's first post in this thread says, if you take the OTA Honeycomb update, you will be stuck on that update for the foreseeable future. There's no going back to Gingerbread or installing custom ROMs for the time being from the OTA Honeycomb.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] freak4dell:
Gotcha. I will keep on waiting, then.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] omariscool:
Will there be any work on a way to downgrade/root for those of us who upgraded from stock GB to stock HC?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] globatron:
Welcome to my ignore list.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] brashmadcap:
learn to read
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] JCatman:
Thanks for the heads up! Unfortunately, I saw it too late. Good luck and we await announcements of you efforts to root HC on the View.

Don't like HC disabled the lighted hardware and new gmail sucks. Carrier IQ is gone with HC though...Happy Holidays
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] E.T.Heil:
For those who jump to the latest post of a thread...

For those who jump the the latest post in a thread...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] glidersgalore:
I had to send my View into HTC for warranty repair- Sprint does not work on them. When I got mine back Wednesday, it had been already updated to HC. Now I will wait a time with patience until the powers that be help us. Until then a lot of the stuff on HC is cool, just dont like the sizes of the Widgets. They are small and don't take up the full screen.