yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] krazyjay36:
I downloaded the splash file... http://dev-host.org/yvf7qvk7jzdc/htc_Green_-_PC36IMG.ZIP

Renamed it PC36IMG.ZIP, Placed it on the root of my SD card, Booted into bootloader, as it loads it says

SD Checking...

Loading [PC36DIAG.zip]

No Image!

SD Checking...

Loading [PC36DIAG.nbh]

No Image or wrong image!

SD Checking...

Loading [PC36IMG.zip]

No Image!

SD Checking...

Loading [PC36IMG.nbh]

No Image or wrong image!

Then nothing
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] dased14:
when you renamed it did you name it like this PC36IMG.zip

or like this PC36IMG

if you did the first one then try renaming it without the zip and the end
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] krazyjay36:
Nope save still nothing... I have tried both ways and other files and still nothing for some reason its not loading them... do i have any other options?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] dased14:
let me think on it . so no other splashs work from anywhere.

how did you root?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] jotech:
Dam it boy! Nice collection. Good work..
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] rezurrectah:
Beautiful! Thank you.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
You are welcome, glad you like them!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] DreamingWolf:
Offhand question, what recovery are you using and when you boot into hboot, does it still say s-off at the top?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] c_live_lee:
Amazing collection you have going here, Kfunk! I can't believe I've never seen your work before. I'm definitely a fan. :)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] RascalDoc:
these are a sweet set of screens. Thanks for the work and for sharing ......

no Charlize Theron anywhere eh? lol
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] asd87:
Ashlynn brooke

I have actually met her! :D I used to work in a porn shop and she did a signing at my store...she looks even better in person! :D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
She is now on top of my to do list. Hmm that came out wrong, but you know what I meant!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] shizkoff777:
Will these work on any Rom
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] dased14:
Yes their splash screens they have nothing to do with the rom you use

just Xooming along eating my ice cream sammich
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] shizkoff777:
Ok thanks man never messed with splash screens so really didn't know man by the way great job
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Thank you, glad you like them!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Thank You for the compliment. And for you Evo users who have never ventured over to the thunderbolt forums, click on the link in his signature and check out his splashes. He does an amazing job over there!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] aurgerman:
Awesome work! Thanks! I'm using the samari.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] nivek64:
Ok, the phone is not recognizing the file after renaming the zip. Should I flash the zip from sdcard instead?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Wulfre:
Can you create the default splash, but inverted :D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Sure, I can make one for you.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Wulfre:
Thanks *Clicks button*

I can't wait :D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Do want just a straight inversion or do you want a little color glow around the logo?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Wulfre:
can you make it inverted and glow white, I want to see what it looks like, also can you post the image before you package it up? ;D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Sure... I will make it when I get to my laptop in the morning.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Wulfre:
Thanks! take your time when you get your laptop. You dont need to wake up as soon as possible (as if you would for me)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here you go - Inverted and Inverted Glow stock splashes.

InvertedGlow-PC36IMG.zip

Inverted-PC36IMG.zip
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Wulfre:
Thanks so much for those :D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Exiled44:
Great job. Love them! Bubbles & soccer girls links are broken. please fix. Thanks.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] atton75:
Great job with all the splash screens KFunk. The greenapple one has a bad download link. Would you be able to fix that please thanks again for your time.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Looks like devhost deleted many files that hadn't been downloaded in the past few months. I will recreate them as I have time and will host them in my dropbox account.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] tpsman17:
this is so awesome thank you so much!!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] brad560:
these are really, really nice. thanks for all your hard work!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Thank you! Now I just need to get some of the old ones working again...
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Grizraz:
Thanks for sharing these! Think I'll apply myself to making one or two soon.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] SexyNexBoy73:
Hey really like the last 2 u made how about a blueish ICS one? Please ?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here you go...

ICS-Glow-PC36IMG.zip

Inverted-ICS-PC36IMG.zip
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here you go - recreated and hosted on dropbox now

Soccer2-PC36IMG.zip

Soccer-PC36IMG.zip

Bubbles-PC36IMG.zip
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here you go...

GreenApple-PC36IMG.zip

Apple-PC36IMG.zip
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here is a new one...

BlueShine-PC36IMG.zip
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] c_live_lee:
Hey man! I don't suppose you would happen to have the background images from your last two posts somewhere handy, would ya? :D Would like to snag em, if you don't mind.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
I no longer have the original images - looks like I deleted them long ago, but I will try and remember where I found them.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] XcessCivic:
[SPLASH] EVO 4G Splash Screens - Funked Up Colors 1/13/2012

If anyone out there still has that Saints splash screen I'd be overcome with joy if I could get it. Thanks in Advance!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
I'll check to see if I still have the original.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] bkjay78:
Is there a NY Jets splash screen out there?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] iwcul8er:
Making our own boot image

Hey is there a way you can shw me how to mae one of my own?? so i can put a picture of my kids as the boot screen.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] EchoSide512:
Hey kfunk can you turn these into splashes for me? Would greatly appreciate it.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Griprhowe:
Really nice stuff!!

Really nice stuff!!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] gizmo54giz:
nice!!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] nightvalen:
The basic ones are the best

First, thanks so much for these kfunk. You really honor us by sharing your creations.

I really love the most basic ones. The blue, green, purple, and red ones and the fade versions as well as the dark versions. I was able to grab a couple of them where the link was still up, but the majority have a dead link.

Any way I could get you to throw those up on your DropBox as well?

I would greatly appreciate it.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving, and thanks.

Night
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Bad news... My Evo 3d died this morning.

Good news... I am back on my EVO 4g for a while.

It is time for some new splashes for the 4g and I will also try and recreate some of my old ones again.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
I have added new splash screens to post #1

I am now working on recreating the splashes in post #2. I will let you all know when the links are live again.

Special requests are welcome!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Post #2 is now updated with live links.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] metaphysical_calamity:
I haz one :D

Signature series ;)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Why you no make download? You make nao!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] metaphysical_calamity:
Naow u make? http://db.tt/s5cIR7p3
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Nao I make!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] metaphysical_calamity:
-_-
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here you go Drop
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] metaphysical_calamity:
Thanks :)

Will post in Rom threads also
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
The Ravens

The 49ERS

Also added to the OP
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Chad The Pathfinder:
This is awesome. Thanks a lot!!!

Edit: This was on my shift for a long time but I haven't been able to flash it onto my EVO. I don't remember where I got it from... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64271915/images/custom splash.png I always liked it a lot.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Chad The Pathfinder:
Is it possible to unzip one of your splash screens replace the image there and replace it with my own or does the image need to be modified in some way?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] justgonecrazy:
One of the coolest splash screens I've seen.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
They must be formatted correctly. Send it to me and I will make it for you.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Anyone else have any requests?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] hondafreak513:
Some Honda splash screens...:D:D
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] kmoo:
looks awesome

these are very nice
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Tuned Hondas?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] hondafreak513:
Yes or anyone that looks good..
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Here are a few to choose from.

HondaFreak

PimpinAintEasy

HF-Rollin
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] hondafreak513:
DUDE those are BADA$$... OMG I'm happier than a two peckered billy goat right now..
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
Any other requests?
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] metaphysical_calamity:
Yo kfunk what is up man?!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] carp532:
Hey K could you hook me up with a Washington Redskins splash...something that has RG3 in the splash...Thanks man in advance if you can hook me up..:good:

Or anything UNC Tarheel Basketball..:good:
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kfunk:
RGIII - Click to Download

RG3 - No Frame Boder - Click to Download

TarHeels - Click to Download
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] carp532:
Thank you very much...those are perfect....K you are the man.....:good:
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] connman:
Just wanted to add my thanks for making these available.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] VAnative21:
Thanks man! Appreciate the time and effort you put into making these... good variety as well! ^_^
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Slax0r:
Clicked the thank you button and logged in to say it. The blue socks screen matches CM7 perfectly IMO. :good:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] agreenbhm:
Edit: please see this Google issue tracker post and star it to get Google's attention!

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24019

I've had it happen 3 times now that I'll be on a call for a number of minutes and all of a sudden the person I'm talking to won't hear me any more. To be fair, I've been talking to the same person, and each time it's been an extended call (5+ minutes). It happened on Saturday, twice. Since then, I have wiped data/cache and flashed a custom rom. It happened again this evening, right around 10 minutes into the call.

The microphone doesn't come back. I tried turning on speaker phone and muting/unmuting my mic, but it won't bring the microphone back. Like I said, this is the same person I've spoken to each time, however, I've been speaking with them often (with their current phone) on my previous phone and never had this issue, so I'm not sure if it's their phone's problem. I spoke with someone else for 30+ minutes on Sunday and didn't have this happen.

To remedy the situation, I just hang up and call back and it works fine, until it happens again.

I'm confused. Is my phone problematic or is it a software bug or is it the other person's phone? Is anyone else experiencing this?

EDIT: Just thought I'd mention I'm on VZW LTE/CDMA.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Teqonix:
Thought I was the only one with this problem. Had the exact same thing happen to me talking with my girlfriend the past two nights. Think I'm going to blow away everything and go back to stock 4.0.2. I think it's an app that's misbehaving.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] agreenbhm:
Please report back with your findings.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ndfinster:
I've had the same thing happen to me. It has happened the most often when talking to my gf who has an iphone 4 on ATT, but it also happened when I was trying to make dinner reservations at a restaurant that was using a landline.

I am running stock 4.0.2.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Scrappy1:
This was a common problem on the Samsung Droid Charge, which uses the same questionable Via baseband modem for voice calls. The earlier Charge Froyo firmware had all kinds of voice issues: 1) outgoing voice drop. 2) systematic cut in/out. 3) garbled robot voice quality. 4) loud ear hurting static. Since the latest Charge firmware EP4 (gingerbread), all issues except occasional robot voice are fixed. The phone is now usable where it was laughable before. The loud static may have been linked to certain phones / hardware rather than firmware.

Hopefully Samsung can incorporate the Charge fixes into the Nexus.

Hopefully Samsung stops using 3rd rate Via chips.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] agreenbhm:
Thanks for the input. Nice to have an idea of what's going on.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mike420:
Hey I have this happen about once a day sometimes more and doesnt matter who im talking to it can happen to anyone at anytime. This is very annoying seems like the smarter and more advance these phones get the crappier the actual phone call part of it gets. I think they forget cell phones primarily are for phone calls
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
Ironically 2 of my calls today complained i was dropping out. But i had full signal. My phone is brand new so these are the only calls ive really made so far.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Charm8er:
Reply I had the same thing happening to mine. I was actually on the phone with VZW Level 2 Tech support when the mic went dead. It happened twice while talking to the same agent. She said it sounded like a clicking noise on her end. She then told me to take the phone back to the store.

I went in and got it swapped for a new one and had to return that one the same day because the ear piece sounded blown. Now on my 3rd Galaxy Nexus. The mic issue hasn't happened yet but I just got this one yesterday.... I'll report back if it happens again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kklier:
I don't think this is a hardware problem. I've had this happen on all three GNs I've had. This last time I was talking on my jawbone headset. I tried switching to the phone mike and speaker phone it did not make a difference. I also tried muting and unmuting. How do we get Samsung to acknowledge this problem?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Snakehn:
This happened to me a couple of times also, stock 4.0.2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reimerj:
I have the same problem on stock 4.0.2 and on RevolutionHD 2.1.2. I spent an hour or so with level 2 tech support. I was told that I was the only person to report this issue. They suggested that I change it out or switch to a different phone. My Son-in-Law has the Nexus as well and also has the same issue. I guess I have till 1/15/2012 to make up my mind. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tomson74:
I am having the exact same issues. I will say it lasts about 3-5mins in the call then no one can hear me, and I have to call the people back. I love my Nexus!! I am so glad that I am not the only one having this issue. Edit: I have gone on the VZW Tech Forums and informed them of my problem, and pointed to this thread. I am hoping I hear something from VZW. Maybe if we can get more people to post on the thread over there, VZW and Samsung will see there is a problem. Heres the link h t t p ://community.vzw.com/t5/4G-Discussion/No-One-Can-Hear-Me-After-3-5mins/td-p/762556 (sorry had to space the http part since I am new. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wanderfowl:
I've had this issue too. Sounds like a resonably easy thing to fix with software.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wanderfowl:
Has anybody had this happen on 4.0.3? How about on the GSM GNex? Just trying to narrow it down.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zamboni52:
Exact same problem here. I called Verizon and they sent out a new one. But after a few calls longer than 5 minutes the microphone went out and I had to call back. I reused the same SIM card. Could that be a potential solution?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RogerPodacter:
I made tons of test calls today and not a single issue on my GSM version. I only experienced this cut out issue the first day so guess I'm good for now...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mcp2009:
I've had this happen on me twice running a 4.03 Custom Rom. Happened about 15 minutes into each call
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ztm.000:
I believe it to be hardware.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zamboni52:
Why do you think its hardware?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SaHiLzZ:
Hello

Can I use the LTE Verizon Galaxy tab 10.1 on Att/Rogers 3g network?

Does it has the 3g frequencies?

TIA.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SaHiLzZ:
thoughts anyone?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikekelso421:
i have been screwing around trying to compile ICS for our EVO 4G..i have run into this error and cant for the life of me figure it out. can anyone shed any light on this error below??

kelso@kelso-laptop:~/ICS$ make

============================================

PLATFORM_VERSION_CODENAME=AOSP

PLATFORM_VERSION=4.0.1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9

TARGET_PRODUCT=htc_supersonic

TARGET_BUILD_VARIANT=eng

TARGET_BUILD_TYPE=release

TARGET_BUILD_APPS=

TARGET_ARCH=arm

TARGET_ARCH_VARIANT=armv7-a-neon

HOST_ARCH=x86

HOST_OS=linux

HOST_BUILD_TYPE=release

BUILD_ID=OPENMASTER

OUT_DIR=out

============================================

No private recovery resources for TARGET_DEVICE supersonic

target Export Resources: framework-res (out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/package-export.apk)

nothing matches overlay file default_wallpaper.jpg, for flavor ,,,,,,,,,,,hdpi,,,,,,,

libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area

libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area

make: *** [out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/package-export.apk] Segmentation fault

make: *** Deleting file `out/target/common/obj/APPS/framework-res_intermediates/package-export.apk'

kelso@kelso-laptop:~/ICS$

i have also tried make -j2 with same result :confused:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mikekelso421:
nobody??? c'mon.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rabshear:
Over in the Nook Color forum, there is a very active CM9 building thread. Fattire started it and it has grown like crazy. Perhaps a Supersonic dev should do the same in the Evo forum.
[General Topics] cju98:
It`s Korean Device

and it has terrible performance

1Ghz Cpu

512Mb Ram

8GB memory

2.2 froyo (It have not a ginger bread upgrade plan.)

Total : 1161

CPU : 705

Memory : 1671

I/O : 3152

2D : 276 (FPS : 15~20)

3D : Test failed

I am using this for a year and half

Many bugs, frequent down, terrible speed, closed-door Firmware(So It dosen`t build Custom ROM)

Do you know this terrible device?

(Sorry, I can`t upload device picture.)
[General Topics] rocketmn333:
never heard of it, wish i could help =(
[General Topics] kareeem:
Can you post the model number or something?
[General Topics] florirs:
I have never come across it. Specify some of the features of it..
[General Topics] bloodychaos:
Any other specs we should take note of like device size, screen resolutions etc?

And since it's a Korean device, there's only three known manufacturers, mainly Samsung, LG and Pantech so I assume we should be able to zoom in to one of the hundreds of phones these three companies have made.
[General Topics] stremax:
seems like a joke... maybe iphone?:D
[General Topics] JC LEON:
we need more information to identify it
[General Topics] Myque:
A year and a half and already have 1gz cpu? It is weird...
[General Topics] Hordon:
i think it's fake..
[General Topics] agent205:
8gb koreans? O2x ?

Sent from my heart into yours
[General Topics] negrobembon:
I doubt its samsung, maybe you think its korean but in reality its a chinese knockoff
[General Topics] ccmuha:
Does it have DVB tuner? Can you watch TV? If so, it's probably just a "fake" (aka unknown, unmarked) smartphone.
[General Topics] dengchao101:
I had never heard it before!
[General Topics] truongban:
New branch in Korea?
[General Topics] FunDroid23:
HUH

there are so many phones, that would fit into...

don´t you mean korean ... samsung ? You can go to korean samsung page and find yourself :rolleyes:
[General Topics] hggadm3:
Maybe check under the battery for a model number?
[General Topics] Jash_94:
or even check the battery size mAh to help identify the brand
[General Topics] linda poky:
wooo korea,, i want to know too:)
[General Topics] lightson:
what's the model number?
[General Topics] NoobCuber:
Sorry, I don't know that device..
[Acer Iconia A500] jbuggydroid:
What in the world is going on here? Renting a movie and went to play it on my A500 but it says not playable on rooted devices and I'm completely stock!!! Is google gonna fix this or do I need to figure out another way?
[Acer Iconia A500] dincdoes.me:
Id post this in the Questions section you might get more help
[Acer Iconia A500] jbuggydroid:
Ok thanks
[Acer Iconia A500] dincdoes.me:
This is where u hit thanks lol
[Acer Iconia A500] hakepuck:
Same thing happened to me when trying to rent a movie...

Reboot your acer, that should fix it for you.
[Acer Iconia A500] spideyngo:
Fix Here

Depending on your ROM, you need to use the U.S. 7.006.01 GEN2 ROM's build.prop to replace yours (if you're using GEN1 as most custom ROMS do, it is based on Europe or UK firmware. Not sure if market movie tab is supported onGEN1 Rom or just U.S. GEN2 ROM)

I posted a Tutorial on how to fix as I ran into the same problem.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1419607

Rebooting didn't fix it for me, on any rooted device I own.
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] tiiduke1:
Hello. I'm George. And I have loads of questions about my android I think I have samsung galaxy 5 but im not entirely sure. Searching for my phone on internet and android market it gave me Samsung GT-I5500. But Is it I5500 when it has a with google logo on the back of it?

so lets begin

1. I would like to update my phone Rom or how you call it, I have 2.2 froyo at the moment. Can I update it higher?

2. If i can then how much room do I need on my sd car cause at the moment I have only 1gb sd card. Would that work or i need biger?

3. If I would do it could anyone give me online help? over skype or msn?

4. what happens if i mess it all up? Is my phone warranty lost and I can throw the phone in lake?

5. The last time I kinda attempted to uptade it it gave me error when backing up original rom. It was something to do that it couldnt mount /system or something.

6. What does bricked mean? does it mean its broken forever?

I'm so nervous that I mess it all up so before i **** it up I thought I will contact you guys.
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] Jordanooo:
1. Yes, 2.3.7 is the highest (I think) except for ics (4.0) which is very unstable

2. Don't need much space on sdcard except for moving apps. 1gb is enough

3. I'm sure someone would. Id be willing to do it over msn if we arranged a time, if you needed.

4. It is very hard to mess up. If you follow instructions there is a 99.85691% chance of messing up (exact value ;)) there are ways to get it backbif by any chance you do mess up

5. I don't think you are able to back up stock roms at the moment, that's why. But there are other stock rom files that you can flash if you ever want to go back

6. Bricked, meaning your phone is as useful as a brick. Happens when you mess up big time.

I was the same as you on my first time. It went fine for me, now I'm flashing different stuff all the time
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] tiiduke1:
Oh cool. I would be glad if you could guide me through it all as soon as possible :P And another question to everyone is.

where is the tutorial ? I had it but i lot it and I think im blind cause i cant locate it anymore :(
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] Jordanooo:
Development section
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] tiiduke1:
any way to root phone before i start doing anything ? cause universal androot did not work keeps giving me failed! no fu goo and I tried two versions and all ...
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] Jordanooo:
Keep pressing the root button, it should work after a few
[Samsung Galaxy 5 I5500] sasi8998vv:
PM me. i've done this **** a lot. my Email is sasi8998vv@gmail.com. (others plzzz dont spam ive got enough of that already :p . Wont mind if u seriously need help though...)