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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The Lenovo tablet enters production next month. Acer was trying to make X-Mas and missed so January or February is pretty likely. HTC uses Qualcomm chips and the newer Snapdragon's won't be available until mid year so they're a long shot. The Samsung tablet's a mystery - some online rags are saying February but that seems a little ambitious.

Both the Lenovo and Acer tablets are supposed to have more RAM (2GB) and higher res displays (1900x1200) then the Prime. They're Teg3 too and clocked at 1.6GHz. I'd guess that's going to become the new high-end standard. Thin and light is expected now so I'd assume the form factors will be similar to the Prime and Toshiba Excite (the thinnest, lightest tablet). They're both supposed to launch with ICS also. When all is said and done, the Prime's biggest differentiator is going to be its keyboard dock. Just like the dual-cores, all Teg3's will perform similarly. I'd expect the Acer and Lenovo to be announced in almost production-ready form at CES on January 11th.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...epping-quad-core-tegra-3-tablets-for-2012.ars

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/29/acer-lenovo-looking-to-release-tegra-3-equipped-tablets-in-earl/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/14/exclusive-lenovo-to-release-a-10-1-inch-ice-cream-sandwich-tabl/

http://www.toshiba.ca/web/link?id=4740#1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mi7chy:
More DRAM is always a benefit. Per Anandtech's review one of the issues he ran into was trying to edit a document, switching between apps and sometimes the memory management closing the editor on him resulting in lost work and there's no auto save.

I figure with all the delays with TP I might as well see what's coming out for the new year. I'm liking Lenovo's better specs (1.6GHz and 2GB DRAM) and also Samsung's 2GHz Exynos (prefer faster dual-core than slower quad-core).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mr Dasher:
As it was suggested I'll hold on to my pre order from Amazon and ride it out a bit but I think I'll end up cancelling it. I do own the Transformer dock and have never really used it. Virtually brand new. In the end I feel having a keyboard defeats the purpose of have a portable device.

I do have a first gen Transformer and a Samsung 7.0 plus, so I'm more than covered. If I do change my mind I can purchase a Prime from a retail location.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
Well, yes, but if they follow the new Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet design it is going to be a complete fail:

I wouldn't want a Acer tablet, their stuff just isn't good quality most of the time, but perhaps they surprise us with their tablet..

Samsung however, is something I'm very interested in, they seem to have the same quality as Asus with their Tab 10.1 (and others).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It also has a pretty cool finger print reader which doubles as a scroll device on the back right side. No tablet coming out can afford to be thick and heavy if it's going to be successful.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aznmode:
I dont know about lenovo. I had a K1 and returned it. Only 1 person was able to root and its messy. Lenovo locked it pretty good from what im reading. I'm also hoping its not thick and heavy like the k1.

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Samsung plays too much like apple with their single proprietary connector. No SD, hdmi, expensive. Then you have touchwiz which make home screen and app drawer seem like youre still running single core. Very laggy. They were the thinnest now their not. They really need to up their game with the next device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Only the G-Tab(s), Acer, and TF1 have decent dev support. The Thrive, K1, and Jetstream have none. The G-Tab gets support because so many are sold. The Acer and TF1 because they're less expensive and the choice of a lot of geeks. If the new tablets end up being popular, they'll get support. If they don't sell well, not so much. The Lenovo won't be cheap.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] JoeyLe:
That's cool, but not useful for the average person who buy's a tablet. For people who want to use their tablet for business it can be easy, but I personally don't need it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arcticreaver:
finger print reader is overrated.

i have an atrix and i barely use the thing.

prime is the best android tablet right now. but technology moves too fast these days. prime is already outdated but for the time being, it's the best for what you can buy at this moment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
They sell adapters for USB, HDMI, and SD. And you're right, they are and most likely will continue to be the most expensive.

TW adds a bunch of audio and video codecs, enhanced Bluetooth, a much better then stock e-mail client, and Social Hub. Like every other manufacturer, perfromance gets better as Google updates HC. Lag is much improved with 3.2. It still benchmarks faster than other dual-cores based on reviewer testing.

The Toshiba coming out in February is the smallest, thinnest, and lightest 10.1 tablet. And Samsung's upping their game but no one knows the timing.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/08/samsu...et-with-retina-resolution-tablet-in-february/

http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
apparently samsung devices with their upgraded exynos chip until late 2012. if i skip the prime it would have to be something in first quarter/half of 2012. I'm interested in the lenovo acer and htc tablets for sure
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrPhilo:
I don't see lag in the Touchwiz, instead it makes the honeycomb experience alot faster and better. Most reviewers have said this when reviewing Transformer Prime that its taken the champ Galaxy Tab from being the smoothest honeycomb, e.g TechnoBuffalo jon4lakers. Although they may provide the less connectors but its a business tactic I guess to get us to buy there accessories, but up there game.. really? They both (Apple & Samsung) provide the best hardware and software optimisation. Also Samsung (Exynos 4412 & 5250) & Apple (A6) will probably take the hardware champ again in 2012.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I think its pretty simple. Get the prime for the unique features it offers. The chip and of course the keyboard. If you just want a tablet you might as well get the ipad...

Of you're waiting for the next best thing you'll never stop waiting ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] yumms:
Why get an ipad? Its more expensive and doesn't offer anything better than Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] oasis9389:
I am getting the prime.. if something comes along ill put it on ebay and upgrade.. simple.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] arcticreaver:
ipad is so simple to use. my mom uses it and she's actually pretty damn good with the ipad. ipad is so user friendly that it's hard to say no to.

personally i think android is for the techie type, a lot of customizable options and more things that you can toy with.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
All this talk of higher specs and higher resolution is nice BUt expect people to complain about those also. If resolution is higher, it's only smart that it will need higher specs anyway. You can almost guarantee benchmark tests to be lower, due to higher resolution screen. I look at benchmarks with a grain of salt but a lot of people swear by them. Plus games and graphic intensive apps are going to need some serious CPU/gpu power to push them at a higher resolution. Resolution only goes so high b4 you don't even notice a difference. With higher specs and resolution comes a lot more battery drain. I doubt any of these new tabs can get the great battery life as been tested n seen on prime.

Also, I'd take a lower clocked quad core any day over a higher clocked dual core. More benefits lie with quad core such as more efficient, better battery life, more future proof, and more potential all around the board. The 4 cores could easily be over clocked, once dev. Kicks in. This will blow away any higher clocked dual core. Dual core will have to work harder to do what 5 cores can do. Remember, Prime technically has 5 cores ;) 5 not As strong people can lift more than 2 strong ones(analogy..lol). Prime display is still the best out of any tablet and will probably hold that title even when higher resolution displays come out. Unless some tablet coming out with 3D display, I'm not worried or pressed about these new tabs. There will always be something better coming out. Technology grows exponentially.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Mithent:
Same for me. I like that the Transformer Prime + dock becomes more of a netbook replacement than purely a tablet. Were it not for the dock I doubt I'd get one at all.

When I got this PC, with its quad-core Q6600, everyone was saying that a faster-clocked dual-core would be better, because what makes use of four cores? But this PC is now 4 years old and still going strong, quad-cores have now become standard in most systems, and many more applications and games can make full use of all cores. I can anticipate the same happening with tablets - more cores is likely to be more future-resistant.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xGary:
If you can wait then it would be best of course. Even if you don't see anything nice at CES you can still get a Prime and it will probably have all the bugs ironed out with ICS and maybe be cheaper.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] lmm112190:
I had the lenovo touchpad....worst mistake ever not only did it take 7 weeks for me to get it ( I placed my order 2 months after it came out when there was what I thought was little demand). The speaker rarely worked and it would cut out for long periods of time. The system frequently crashed stuttered and froze, more so than other honeycomb tablets I have used. The stylus was nice but nothing made it worth the while, the preistalled handwriting app was virtually unusable for any real purpose. The screen was washed out and missed most touches that other tablets would have registered. The usb port worked one time ever, the SD card reader may have worked twice or 3 times at the most. A customer service department that needed their own interpreter as well had no idea about any possible question you could have.

So needless to say the new lenovo tablet could have 9gigs of RAM. A 7ghz processor. A super amoled ++++ screen. 4 usb ports. Be 0.3 mm thick. And cook me dinner, and I would never buy it.

I may have had a defective one, but after waiting around for 7 weeks for it to ship, and 2 for repairs that were never finished. I will never ever purchase another lenovo product.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, that's not necessary true about quad-core being superior. Samsung's 2.0ghz dual-core is built on 32nm process while Tegra 3 is built on 40nm process. Smaller processors actually benefit/improves heating & battery life, and with higher clock speed... the multi-tasking speed and efficiency will be on par or better over 40nm processors.

The upcoming snapdragon krait are on 28nm, same with iPad 3s A6.... It'll be really interesting when A6 or Exyno chips are paired up with PowerVR GPUs in tablet form. Nvidia is known for GPU but even Prime falls behind the current PowerVR GPUs found in iPad 2 in benchmark tests.

So yea, I really want the prime.. but if I'm being forced to wait til Feb .. and with CES in early Jan.. I'll be really tempted to just wait a bit longer for those other tablets (well, depends on the price I guess since Samsung and Apple products are overpriced).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Good info here, as a smaller die does usually yield better results BUT..lol..people fail to realize the major feat Asus accomplished, which is more amazing actually. tegra3 used the exact same die size, 40nm I believe, as the Tegra 2. Then they made the CPU a lot more powerful, added 3 more cores for a total of 5, a beefier GPU, better efficiency, and better battery life. All this done using same 40nm process. These new smaller sizes yields aren't good at all. That's why Asus was smart and choose to stay with same process but make it even better and not have to charge people more. Plus to be able to release this device before anyone else. Now that takes more work to make it a whole lot better using same process than to go with smaller process size, which better results are supposed to be a given.

Only people Asus has to worry about is Samsung n apple. New snapdragon chipset still wont be better. It was even said that although some of these new chips might seem better than prime on synthetic benchmarks, which is really b.s. Anyways, Prime will produce better real world results.

Check out the thread I made on the superChips showdown. It discussed all those same new chipsets and still held prime as the best overall. Nvidia is here to stay. I won't even mention Nvidia's Stark chipset. Which blows anything any tablet/mobile chipset maker has ever imagined away..lmfao. Check out their roadmap, Stark has power equal to or more powerful than PC class Quad cores over clocked to over 3GHz a piece...more than 100% more powerful than tegra2. Now that is something to wait for if you really want to wait for next best thing ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, I can't find the thread.. link?

Anyways, it's all theoretical at this point. We haven't seen any test or reviews on 28nm/32nm processors... and it is possible that those processors have Big + Small feature that Nvidia used with Tegra 3 as well (so, in theory.. like Tegra 3.. it could be either Pent/Tri-core processors) to help with battery life. Btw, how is Tegra 3 CPU a lot more powerful over Tegra 2? It went from dual-core 1ghz (at max) to quad-core 1.3ghz (at max when all 4 cores are working, 1.4ghz as single-core).

It's all guessing game, and with CES just around the corner.. I'm sure we will get more information. However, in theory.. smaller die.. as you have pointed out.. will be superior in benchmark testings. Anyways, it's the dock that really stands out for Prime & I am disappointed that I do not own one yet. If I am being forced to wait til Feb., CES will determine how I spend the allocated money for Prime (I refuse to purchase iOS device though).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
They compared OG transformer(tegra2) to Prime(tegra3) and Prime was way ahead in all of them except one, which I cant remember.

Here is the link to super chip showdown thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1393854

While it's true benchmarks showed ipad2 gpu more powerful, that's not real world results/application. In this link you will see reviewers n developers say that although ipad2/other tablets could have a more powerful gpu based on synthetic benchmarks, the prime Tegra3 will actually look and perform better than those.

Here is another link to what actual developers are saying/thinking about Tegra3:

http://androidauthority.com/what-game-developers-say-about-tegra-3-32013/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Let's be honest, Asus' only "feat" was to buy a SoC from a third party, pack it in to a tablet of their design (made with parts from third parties), and launch it first. Anyone can buy the Teg3 from Nvidia and, so far, Lenovo and Acer have. All Teg2 tablets performed the same so all Teg3 tablets will probably perform the same too. The keyboard dock is innovative as is the super bright display. The latter is also made by a third party and can be easily replicated if another manufacturer wants to.

For all we know, other manufacturers chose to wait until some new features could be added before releasing their next-gen tablets. Things like 2GB of RAM, 1900x1200 displays, and ICS at launch. How they perform, what other unique features they have, and how the public reacts to them will prove whether Asus' play to be first using pretty much a gen-one formula (aside from the SoC) was a wise decision. Asus' decision on specs has to last nine months to a year and a lot of tablets, including the retina display iPad3, will be out in that time.

As for Teg3, it isn't some super-stealth SoC that was kept secret until launch. Its design, architecture, strengths, and weaknesses have been known for a long time. Like the Prime, its months behind its original launch date. Companies like TI, Qualcomm, and Samsung that are larger and have considerably more resources than Nvidia have all been working on their own interpretations of "next-gen" processors. Whether they're dual or eight core is irrelevant. Those companies, with all their experience, aren't going to release something that isn't competitive now and in to the future. The only advantage Nvidia holds is their experience in gaming.

And for those with short memory, the Teg2 launched with great fanfare. When Exynos and Snapdragon 3 were launched it became pretty clear the Teg2 was the inferior chip. Other than Teg optimized games, its performance was at best average. And it down right sucks at video playback.

I give props to both Nvidia for being first out with a next-gen SoC and to Asus for using it in a tablet. But it’s way too early to declare supremacy when other formidable competitors to both Nvidia and Asus haven’t yet released their equivalent products. And unless you’re a h/w engineer with access to what’s happening at Samsung, Qualcomm, and TI, you’re an armchair quarterback guessing the future.

The OP asked a question - "Should I wait to see what's announced at CES in three weeks." If you have to have a tablet now and can get your hands on a Prime then you'd be foolish not to. That applies too if you're a diehard Asus fan and/or place high value on the keyboard dock. It would be foolish for everyone else, especially existing tablet owners, not to wait three weeks and at least see what's coming and when. It's not like Asus is producing a limited quantity of Primes. You can buy one anytime next year and probably at a discount once the launch rush subsides.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
The Superchip showdown article seems outdated. Especially when it comes to Exynos die... Also, the comparison between Exynos and Tegra 3 is hypothesis as well..however, if I have read correctly.. they are giving a slight edge to Exynos as they lack info. over Tegra 3. I do believe Samsung has also licensed PowerVRs latest GPU & will be implemented instead of the Mali GPU.

On graphics link... many of the mentioned developers have close ties with Nvidia, and have released/developing games for Tegra 3. I do respect their opinion but it does sound bias....

As informative as that article is, it's still a question mark til CES I guess.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I actually meant the feat Nvidia pulled off. I know anyone can buy a tegra3. Nvdia used the same 40nm process as tegra2, yet made it a lot more powerful, Added more cores, beefed up gpu, more efficient, and longer battery life usage. Although same memory is used as tegra2, the speed/optimization has increased significantly.

As I've said before, higher resolution tablets will require more processing power anyways to push all those pixels. So a higher resolution/higher clocked chipset doesn't automatically mean it will be better than the prime. That higher clocked chipset will be too busy pushing the high res. Display ;). Will new tablets come out eventually to make prime look outdated? Of course, BUT for now Asus Transformer prime is the best. Plus Nvidia has a very good outlook also when it comes to future chipsets. It's not a fact thAt bigger companies will produce better results than smaller ones. Regardless of money/resources. Only makes them more than likely to. David did beat Gialoth ya know ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
"Will actually perform better" when what it's being compared to hasn't yet been defined is an oxymoron.

Here's a pretty harsh look at Teg3 from a h/w engineers perspective. He's obviously not an Nvidia fan but a lot of the points seem valid.

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/

Here's the real stats on the SoC powering Samsung's next tablet. It's far more current than the previous reference and is from Samung's own press release.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/

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You have no idea what the performance impact will be. Nor does anyone else here. The higher res tablets also will have additional RAM. Until they're benchmarked no one will know for sure. And speaking personally, since the display is pretty much the most prominent feature of a tablet, I'd gladly take a slight hit to benchmarks for a superior display. People face that same decision with qHD displays on phones everyday and it hasn't seemed to impact sales or satisfaction.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I've already read that semi accurate link, as someone has linked it before. That guy is clearly biased against Nvdia, as I mentioned before in that thread. If you keep reading past article into the comments, you will see why he is biased. Yes, some points are valid he makes BUT he clearly over exaggerates them. Read the comments also. He is known for constantly Slamming Nvidia. There is a petty, underlying reason as to why he does this. It's in the comments. As he is not too popular anyhow with readers of his articles..lol. His article basically gets disproven or corrected in comments section.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Tegra 3 is an upgrade if you compare it to Tegra 2 only. And yes, higher resolution tablet will certainly require more power consumption. Which is why I am not looking forward to Lenovo/Acer/HTC's next-gen tablets. Prime is already below iPad 2 and slightly better over Galaxy Tabs in REAL LIFE battery test.

However, I am intrigued by Samsung's Exynos tablet as they will use 32nm SoC. We can make an educated guess on Acer/Lenovo/HTC's performance on higher resolution(as they will use Tegra 3) but you can't apply the same measure to Samsung's future Exynos tablet. We do not have any benchmark or test result for next gen. of Exynos SoC, but if CES offers more info., I think it is feasible for others and myself to wait on that tablet if they can't purchase Asus Prime by Feb.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
So the only valid comments are the carefully chosen positive one's you post? I'm neither a fan or detractor of Nvidia. Until there's something to compare the Teg3 against (and I don't mean on paper) this is a futile conversation.