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[Off-topic] dfwcomputer:
Apple's "my way or the high way" is well known.For example here in australia if you buy an iPhone and try to turn it on when you walk out the store and find it's faulty, try getting your money back or a replacement :)

The answer will be "It has to be sent away to apple's service center to have it looked at before we can supply a replacement or give your money back."

Whilst most people do as they are told the smart people ring the office of fair trading :)....I see this all the time.

This happens because apple demand it, and you agree to there terms and conditions to become an authorised reseller.
[Off-topic] Mainspring:
actually, sounds like she presented an option without a valid point either.

an uninformed opinion.

she got shot down when she saw his Android and surly was surprised.

sales people should be more neutral, educated in the product they sell, and attend to the needs of the customer, not spout uninformed, personal opinion.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Both parties are clearly rather uninformed, she wasn't so insulting and sold what she knows. He was just a ****.
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
Then she should not judged 'other phone (brand) is stupid product'. Now you see the point? Hows the validity of this point? This gonna be valid for senseless and dead people.
[Off-topic] masondoctorjt:
Did you even read the Story? She was insulting.
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
Im a ****? Yeah you're rite, then you are a *****. She sold what she knows, and she performed a humiliation on other products. Professional seller/dealer with such method of promoting? Which jungle you came from?
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
For my own opinion, shes really insulting, im not going to say anything if she just keep telling me the goods and benefits of iphone for the whole day. Im upset coz the blamed other products is stupid. Is that necessary?

Edit : she use iphone4 as her personal phone
[Off-topic] djoevan:
In other words, he (seller) doesn't know about marketting knowledge. He just a noob on a marketter class, don't know other products like should have known other marketters have. Stupid marketter it's so like that, only learn one product without concerning others whom maybe more hi-tech.

He shouldn't insult others to prevent bad appreciation from all gadget users.

No jobs for a pro marketters like that.
[Off-topic] upichie:
It did sound like the sales person was highly uneducated considering her position. That's a shame. Why is it that when someone knows nothing about phones they think the iPhone is the best? Apple, you marketing geniuses, you.
[Off-topic] djoevan:
No big name for a company to have a marketter like that. Its only will have a big shame for it.
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
I wonder whats so special or hi-tech on iphone. What i can see is it just expensive for no reason. Some of my friends use ip4s, they are university students, they even admit that iphone just above moderate phone compare to hi-end android. The good thing about iphone is gaming and build quality. Thats all.

We did side by side comparison even, and we wont hurt others. Just for fun.

Talking about thread topic, why nowdays most iphone's user act like apple company? Playing god, banning other products, sues and blaming for fun.. Why?
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
Yeah, i though so, so disappointed.
[Off-topic] djoevan:
Yup, that's true. Only a fool marketter suing that others bad product than they. They don't reallyze that their jobs is to improve what their lost. So that they have to know the best of other products have.
[Off-topic] neobirdrio:
But the more worst they did, the more people buy and use iphone!! Peoples choose to be worst? Hahaahaha. I dont think so. But it's weird rite?
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
If you re-read it a few times, it begins to make sense. o_O
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Doesn't that contradict the term sales person though, I mean its not their job to sell you something good just to sell you anything as that's usually how they make money.

I don't trust sales people myself as most seem to have little knowledge on what they sell.

Dave
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Its because apple successfully turned iphone into a fashionable life style choice. Unlike with android there is only one apple phone so the user experience is consistent whereas androids greatest strength is its versatility and useability on a variety of hardware, which also works against it because ios on iphone only needs to work on one specific set of hardware components so can be optimised just for those.

Dave
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Thanks but I just read a lot and watch lots of tech shows and documentaries :)

Dave
[Off-topic] zoppp:
That's the only way they can compete with other companies. They want to kill their competition.

And anyway the patent system in the United states is ridiculous, you don't even have to have a proof of concept.

Sent from my G2X
[Off-topic] dfwcomputer:
No the weren't, they bought it :)

Android already has.......seen the last quarter.

And we just keep seeing it time and time again.....

I'm now providing rides on this merry-Go-round at a small cost for packaging purposes.Ive all so patented my newly invented concept (merry-Go-round) notice the capital "G".
[Off-topic] cyclonmaster:
Shame on Apple blaming android copying iOS. I wonder is there any piece of iOS code in android? I believe not, no one know iOS source code anyway...aka closed code. So, how to copy it then?

facebook = friendster? Same, but not a copy. It's innovation.
[Off-topic] WasabiWa83:
+1

As a new HTC convert, I'm pissed at Apple. I've always hated them, but this is completely ridiculous. This would be like car companies patenting radio buttons and stuff. Sorry, Toyota, you can't have a volume nob in your car, Honda already patented that. Just ridiculous.
[Off-topic] dfwcomputer:
Maybe apple should patent the "Nob" cause I'm pretty sure they invented :)
[Off-topic] Archer:
Why would they patent it when they can just sell it a phone?
[Off-topic] :
Apple's proved what "Brains" it has.

MOST of the "200" (ROTFLOL) features were/are existing in Android!

Siri? Who cares.

We Have VLINGO! Even BEFORE Siri :D
[Off-topic] dfwcomputer:
They wouldn't make any money if they kept selling themselves phones :)
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+1

DamnLOL!
[Off-topic] Athavan:
i have drawn a rectangle and have acquired patent for it.. so if anyone draws it without my written permission, sure i will sue you with lawsuit..

No.. I am not an apple fanboy!

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[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Too late, Apple already has it. Well, they have a "community design" (something between a patent and a trademark, it's an European thing), not patent. But it's theirs - community design 000672332: http://oami.europa.eu/bulletin/rcd/2009/2009_091/000672332_0009/images/000672332_0009_4_source.jpg

If you think I'm kidding with the above, think again. That is a valid community design and Apple owns it.
[Off-topic] Athavan:
omg!!

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[Off-topic] MilkyJoePD:
Google has just got loads of patents from IBM. Hopefully some of them fook apple in the arse.
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
Certain somebody ......
[Off-topic] MilkyJoePD:
A bit different from this discussion, but...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...legal-action-over-Steve-Jobs-action-doll.html
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
That pathetic and hilarious at the same time. I never thought Apple would claim "ownership" over a likeness of a person, but then again they've been pretty "innovative" with their lolsuits.
[Off-topic] negrobembon:
I cant beleive this(although the doll does look like the man but still)

Though making the doll was stupid in the first place
[Off-topic] cyclonmaster:
Apple already patent that doll too...WTF!
[Off-topic] OmegaRED^:
Oh come the F$%^ on... seriously.

I see apple is full of a bunch of finger pointing children.
[Off-topic] oxfordia:
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Maybe. But what really intrigues me is, these people who are going apesh*t over Apple using a drop-down bar similar to the one in Android and they were totally silent...not even so much as a squeak...the years prior of Samsung and all the others copying Apple.

To me it sounds like they are are saying, "We can do it, but not you".
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
From a distance. That way a lot of devices look the same. For example, could you from a distance tell the difference between an iPad and a Fusion Garage JooJoo? I bet you couldn't. Well, the JooJoo was on the market *before* the iPad. And concept pictures of the JooJoo (then called CrunchPad) were on the net a looong time before Apple even announced they're making a tablet.

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The reason were "going ape****" is because it shows Apple's hypocrisy. They're suing over rectangles, but apparently for them it's ok to copy an entire notification system.

And again you have it backwards. This is what Apple is saying when they're filing lawsuits at the same time as they're copying Android features.
[Off-topic] rraja83:
Well thats how apple always do ...well now challenge is really serious with android and other hardware manufacturing companies...lets see what happens now
[Off-topic] koitsu1010:
I'm no expert but to be honest besides little things in the ui and simmaler capabilities apple is ios androind is a linux based os how in gods name can you compare the two? I have used both let's put it to a vote apple sucks and android is better simple apple knows they suck and is dieing off just like web os and windows mo and anyone remember danger? Or simbian? Oh what about that one... ummm ran on pre blackberry... see no one care you like apple good for you have fun paying out the ass for a phone you can't insure and ill keep my resionably priced open sorce android and I will keep buying samsun products bcause the make a good one. Solid. Sooo apple fan boys and girls good luck and I can't wait to see what you do with your paper weight in two years
[Off-topic] hellequin:
I can't understand people, there are others phones that cost a lot less than iPhone and have the same functionalities, and they still buying it like crazy.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Been away from this thread for less than 24 hours and all I see here is you keep trolling with no sense points.

Too much bull****.. Can't read it all..

Oh btw, there's been someone who said the SGS2 is a good copy of the iPhone 4.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
I used to have a friend who own a phone retail store here in Italy, and I have seen lot of situations of people who usually don't spend more than €10 a month, getting a €39 per 30 months contract just to get an iPhone. And guess what, the 80% of these people don't even know what an iPhone is/isn't capable of.

Most of the people who buys an iPhone today is generally for fashion, cuz their friends said/rumors said, its the best phone ever.

Btw I know a bunch of guys who don't own and haven't ever owned an iPhone waiting for the 5. Why the 5 if the 4S just came out? No reason.. What do we know about the 5 that is so special that makes them waiting so bad for it? Nothing..

So those facts should be more than enough to give u an average idea of what iPhone users really are.
[Off-topic] cataldi1122:
Does this mean you can actually patent shapes , to me this sounds ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. To say i cant have a rectangle pull down box is just stupid. This is a way for apple to try and stay number one,i guess android has them a bit on edge since they had a bit of a fall off.

Apple patents related to the iPhone’s user interface, underlying architecture and hardware”. The suit was a clear attack on Android (many of HTC’s most popular devices run Google’s mobile OS), and Google was quick to say that it had HTC’s back.
[Off-topic] jasidge:
apple is so funny
[Off-topic] Skv012a:
Its like saying, go make PBnJ sandwich, but yours cannot be the same as anyone else's. It's simply impossible. Some of the little features I've read about are such utter common sense, that I'm surprised they're even willing these lawsuits.

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And again man, you simply won't convince those sheep of anything otherwise. They're already SET on getting X because they think they love it. If you try to show them better, they'll just hate you for not agreeing with their choice.
[Off-topic] orangekid:
just as bad as the "iSheep" are the "iHaters" who like to act like anyone who owns an iPhone is just an idiot who can't do anything.

iOS is a great OS and does have advantages over Android, and Android has advantages over iOS. Just because someone owns an iPhone or prefers to have better battery life and better stability doesn't mean they are mindless zombies, it just means they prefer to own an iPhone.
[Off-topic] Skv012a:
But you know that guys like you are like, %5 of all the Apple product users, right?
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
The same could be said for android users. Merely using the overall hate for apple as an excuse/disguise for their irrationality.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
But we don't call a person a "zombie" just because they have an iDevice. No, we do it because they will:

- defend Apple no matter what, and will defend the broken patent system no matter how much you show them just how very broken it is

- be in willful denial about the shortcomings of iOS (copy&paste? who needs copy&paste? - yes I know iOS now has this, but it didn't at the beginning)

- hypocritically claim Apple is "the victim" of copying while Apple copies just as much as everyone else does

- act as if Apple invented the smartphone and the tablet, ignoring all the devices that were there before Apple entered this market

- come up with all sorts of inane reasons as to how the prior art doesn't count when it comes to Apple

^ *That* is the stuff that bothers us. Not just the mere possession of an iDevice.

Also, there was one really cool thing in that Samsung commercial where they're mocking iFans: "But how will people know I upgraded if it looks the same? (commenting on how the 4S looks the same as previous iPhones)" <-- You can't tell me that there aren't people who are really like that. Who will get a new iDevice not because it has awesome features that make their lives a bit simpler, but because it's "cool". And then they'll be loud about how awesome their new phone is, while maybe using 15% of it's features. Or the old classic of how everyone who's picking on the iPhone is just jealous that they can't afford one <-- yes, that was a genuine thing. So while not all iDevice users are "zombies", you really cannot blame people from having that perception. The iFans brought this on themselves.
[Off-topic] falconeight:
To many android and iOS fans commenting and not enough tech fans. Apple has a point when someone violates a patent they should be punished.
[Off-topic] alvaroag:
I consider Android it better than iOS, having its greater advantage on its openness. Even after jailbreaking, iOS is not as customizable as Android, which can also be used without any restrictions, unlike iOS, where you can only use applications authorized by Apple.

But, going back to the start of this thread, Apple allways tries to say "this is mine" with patents. They even try to apply that to ideas which can be developed in many different ways. And that's the ideas of Steve Jobs:

With that, we can say Apple is not suing Samsung because they think the SGS is a copy of the iPhone, or the Galaxy Tab is a copy of the iPad. They are suing Samsung for the same reason they sued HTC before: Jobs said Android is a copy of iOS. Of course, that's not true. The only similarity between both if they are designed for phones/tablets, and both use touchscreen. The real reason is here:

The real reason is because Jobs knew that he would lose again, as had happened with Microsoft on the past. The Apple closeness will lose against Android openness. That's because Jobs started suing HTC, and then Samsung. Maybe Apple will try to sue Sony, LG, Asus, and any other Android device manufacturer. Their trick is to give Android a cost. OEMs don't pay licenses to use Android, but now they have to pay legal defenses to use Android.

Finally, I don't think SGS is really similar to iPhone. There are some coincidences, but the SGS is different, note the shape of the device and the shape of the buttons; the dimensions are also different.
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
^^^

The more I learn about Jobs the more he disgusts me. He didn't care about his family, he didn't give a rip about his customers, he didn't even care so much about money. There was only one true passion and obsession of his - legacy. He was an arrogant egomaniac who's goal in life was to become the next Messiah, and judging by how much his followers revere him, he succeeded.

The world is better off without him. Yeah, I said it.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Are u joking right?? u do know that a god damn Symbian S60 (if not lower as well) could interact from app to apps, which is basically the patent that according to ITC HTC has violated on some phones. So did Nokia went for a little backpacking on the future to steal Apple ideas? Maybe Apple should sue Nokia as well for violating the same patent.

Do you realize that patent a shape is something insane right?

Thank God, I can say all of this shame pretty much happen in US only, due to their ridiculous legal system.

In fact thats where Apple is suing everyone for all those no sense things.
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
Not true. These "shape" lawsuits happened in Germany, Netherland, Australia, and non in United States.
[Off-topic] alvaroag:
To patent a shape is insane, but that's nearly what Apple is doing: patenting ideas of things that can be done. Maybe one day they will try to patent a dialer, or a sms reader, of racing games, etc. And countries with stupid laws, like the US, allow that. Personally, I think patents were made to protect a scientist discover, for example, when someone discovered the cure to some illness. But I don't think patents were originally conceived to allow dirty competition. But that's what Apple is doing.
[Off-topic] Skv012a:
Well, welcome to North America LOL. I agree though, these phones are using practically identical ideas in most things, there's no point in trying to patent it. They should just try inventing something COMPLETELY new like smartphones used to do way back in the day.
[Off-topic] falconeight:
They are talking about from a phone call not a app to app.

I forgot I agree with your view on the rest of the patents shapes, speaker placements, charging cables are all cocked up.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
To make it short they are talking about how the dialer can interact with the email app, sms, etc.
[Off-topic] Stupidusername7:
They patent things that are so vague, anyone can break them. Or they patent very basic technologies like the touchscreen that, if other companies didn't copy, they would not survive.

And let's not forget the processes they steal from others and then patent for themselves, like the magnetic AC connectors. Those were originally used on Japanese fryers, if memory serves me correctly.
[Off-topic] Cyanide99:
For a company that claims to be such innovaters, they sure do play 'lets sue anyone whos competition'. Most phones follow the same structure. The patent system really needs redoing.
[Off-topic] agent205:
Bussiness is just bussiness

Let 'em have the fight,and let us make a bet :p

Sent from my heart into yours
[Off-topic] bholloway:
What Apple is doing is called capitalism, they are taking others ideas and improving on them to make money. If they were stealing ideas from other companies, then they would be the ones getting sued... except they're not. You can hate on Apple as much as you want, but you have to give credit where credit is due. They have revolutionized multiple divisions in technology over the past 10 years beginning with the ipod, then the iPhone, and then the iPad. Before apple these products existed, but Apple made them appealing to consumers around the world.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree with the vast majority of your post. But I never saw an iPhone type smartphone prior to the iPhone being released. And I was, and still am, into such tech. When I say an "iPhone type smartphone", I am referring to it technically. That means all that it embodies: capacitive multi-touch display, proximity sensor, keyboard with popup letters, auto-rotate display, cohesive and intelligent and reliable and simple-to-use OS and much more. Some will try to make it sound like others were first by saying the tech, in separate form, existed long before the iPhone. That isn't what I'm getting at. The iPhone type phone never existed until the iPhone came out.

The iPad is another case. There was no iPad type tablet till Apple released one.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Only in the world where the LG Prada doesn't exist. Unfortunately for you, the Prada *does* exist in our world.

Only in the world where the Fusion Garage JooJoo doesn't exist. Unfortunately for you, the JooJoo *does* exist in our world.
[Off-topic] Phrenks:
Competition is good for everyone

Every market needs a few different companies to compete with each other. It's good for everyone. If Apple destroys every other smartphone company and becomes the only producer, then there will be no reason to improve their products. Right now Apple knows that other companies are also making pretty good phones, and that's incentive for them all to be better than the rest, and to keep releasing better and better products.

It's also good to have a choice. If there's only one company that makes a certain product, then you're stuck with that no matter what. When there are a few of them, you know that if you're disappointed with what you got you can always switch to a different (and maybe better) one.
[Off-topic] darkfayte:
Lol

HTC Thunderbolt running MIUI
[Off-topic] Shahaed:
Notice how Apple has only gone after HTC, Samsung, and all of them. They need to grow a pair and go after Google. See how many cases they will win then. Look at it this way, Android is made by Google. Don't like the operating system sue Google.

Apple vs. Motorola, HTC, Samsung, Google. Let's see who wins.