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[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Will be interesting to see, as they allow more customisation and more software is made for it, whether it slows down or not though sounds nice. I like customising but for those who aren't too fussed about that then Lumia sounds a good phone and to be fair a lot of people are not into customising. I have a friend whose only customising of her android phone was changing the live wallpaper and adding widgets so I have to say yes am impressed with what I have read about it here and in reviews.

Dave
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
To be honest, I don't think they will open it up to that extent. As far as apps go it has a fully fleshed out market but beyond wallpapers and the likes, I don't see WP7 opening up much more customization options.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Apple has applied for a "facial Recognition" patent.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/29/apple-applies-for-facial-recognition-patent-wants-to-let-idevic/
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
What a joke apple is.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Indeed. Any day now they'll be applying for (and receiving!) a patent on pull-down notifications.
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
In the comments section there someone links to a similar patent from the eighties so as a patent exists previously hopefully the patent office see sense that apple never invented it.

Dave
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Um I am sure I read on a news site that they were patenting the notification system and widgets.

Dave
[Off-topic] :
we dont need that on any phone
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
I guess you have never heard of Ice Cream Sandwich...
[Off-topic] dfwcomputer:
Exactly its the system that lets it happen :)

I still remember there ipad sketch that looks mysteriously like a device from star trek lol
[Off-topic] MilkyJoePD:
You're supposed to patent stuff you invent, not patent stuff you've heard of or what your competitors come out with. The sooner Apple shoot themselves in the foot the better. I think the more they do this the more they'll fail in court (or hopefully at the patent process) and precedents will be set.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Doesn't change his point. This is a gimmick, nothing more. It's faster to type in a pin rather than wait for the facial recognition to do it's magic.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
As of right now, it is faster to type in a pin. In the future that will not be the case.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
In the case of the facial recog tech, Apple invented it and applied for a patent on the tech prior to Google implementing it. So Google is the one using things that don't belong to them.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Marty, you are an absolute fool. It said in the article that the patent was not disclosed to the public until recently, after google had implemented it. So, who has more of a right to the technology? Apple with a sketch of some breakthrough technology? Or google who put it in place without knowing about apples attepmt at a patent?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Wow, are people narrow-minded. But here's a shocking revelation: The world doesn't consist of just Google and Apple! For example, Toshiba and Lenovo made laptops with facial recognition years ago.

Also, Apple bought a company called Polar Rose last year, a company which specialized in facial recognition. So even the particular tech Apple has now is not their invention. Like Siri, there too Apple bought the company that made it.
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
Some people choose Apple products, while others prefer Android or Windows devices. It's like the old Mac vs. PC debate. It just comes down to what "blows your hair back". Some of my co-workers own iPhones, while others rock Android devices. We compare differences and get on with our day. The big picture here is that we all share one common interest: Cell phones and technology. While I don't agree with Apple's letigious practices, I can see why they want to protect the 28.7% market share they have in the cell phone industry.

One of the biggest attractions for me with Android is it's open source, and the copious amounts of Developer support. It's a preference. I don't care for iOS, but I love the design and build quality, nonetheless. My idea of the perfect device is the iPhone design and build quality, (with a 4.5" IPS display) running the Android OS.

Does any of this really matter, if the phone you have makes you happy, and serves it's purpose?
[Off-topic] MilkyJoePD:
Even if Apple did invent that, which is unlikely, that's not what my post was about. Also (again assuming they did), inventing one thing doesn't mean you can patent everything just so you can sue other companies.

Also, Google isn't being a tw@ by patenting stuff then suing everybody.
[Off-topic] chupeta82:
what that xxxxx you do in! in android forun ? here is nothing to stolen just clear ideas from reals inteligent peoples or let me guess you have a android phone too? =p

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about this post i just want to say that we can`t do so much about it:confused:! we just can wait to they get bissnes paz because is a lots of easy users in the world that only like and wish to call and send text masseg and they are apples users no way to change that truth only to let then use one android, go na make then understand that some things is missing in theres applesphones honestly feel sorry for them:(
[Off-topic] slapshot30:
Now THIS is a valid way to get to 10 posts. Nice job man :D. Just try to clean up the english a tiny bit, some may nitpick about it.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Chupeta and Marty, please don't post absolute nonsense. I'm pretty sure it's causing my brain to hemorrhage.
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
Having a patent on an invention or idea doesn't mean other's can't create similar technology. After all, just about every vehicle on the road today has intermitent wipers, all wheel drive, abs brakes.
[Off-topic] XDA Rob:
Apple do seem to have copied many Android features although surely that means that Android is so good in order for apple to compete they are developing similar features to keep customers from seeking android devices.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
There's a lot about Android that is better than iOS. I just wish Apple would have gone further in implementing more similar features of Android. The menu system and market comes to mind. The Apple market is the worst of all of them and the menu system is way too ancient. The NB is really not that good. Especially the way you have to remove items from it. Tap the tiny little "x" and then tap the tiny little "Clear". I find time and again that when trying to tap the "Clear" I make it go back to the "x" instead. But that's a fault of the menu system. Much can be improved.
[Off-topic] varun.singh286:
Every company owns something or the other...wheather its their own or brought from someone else...

And talking about violations...do Samsung voilated anything by making a square shaped phone...because people can't use any other circular or triangular shaped phone...

I don't hate apple...they make the most amazingly designed products...but I just hate the way they patent every thing and start suing every other company...

And why don't apple sue those cheap Chinese phone makers who completely copy the iPhone from design to OS and everything...apple don't sue them.because they are not giving them any competition...

And if all this continues then we will be left with only two things...an iPhone and all other features....smartphones will be dead...
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
By making the phone look exactly like an iPhone, yes, they did. When I first saw a Galaxy S, I remember commenting to myself that Samsung was going to be sued by Apple over it. I commented this very same thing to a Korean friend, also.
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
Folks, the only way to make a troll go away is to stop feeding it. I mean, poor soul can't even tell SGS apart from iPhone :D
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Hahahaha!! Awesome.

About the trolling stuff, you're right, but hey, Marty is a known troll, and we get some amusement out of it, before the thread is locked or moved to off-topic or something like that. It's really fascinating, the world inside the RDF.
[Off-topic] varun.singh286:
Who says Samsung galaxy s and iPhone looks exactly same...

Galaxy s is much bigger than iPhone and has a much bigger display...the size only sets everything apart....

And what apple did by giving a false blueprint of iPad to sue Samsung for copying iPad in galaxy tab...both products don't look the same...here again size of galaxy tab is bigger...so no point of copying....

Apple just wants to remove competition because they can't innovate and are losing their market...
[Off-topic] varun.singh286:
Android's biggest success point us its open source nature...

And if android was born out of iOS they why didn't apple thought of making their iOS open source at the first place..

I think because apple wanted money more than anything else...

And talking about the vulnerability of open source for malwares and viruses the I should tell you that your device being infected is totally your fault...the infected sites you browse and apps you download are the main reason behind it...

Apple has lost in its own race...
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Many people...outside this forum and even some inside it...will say Samsung did copy the iPhone (the first gen iPhone) with the GS. All it took for me to see it ...a Samsung lover...was a quick glance at the GS the first time it was released.

As far as the tablet goes, Samsung actually pulled a fully-developed, but yet unreleased Tab after the iPad 2 was released to make it thinner and more similar to the iPad 2.

Why doesn't Samsung come out with their products first? Why do they always come out with them after an Apple release?
[Off-topic] koitsu1010:
I'm only gonna say this, not trolling or anything like that. I like apple computers, hate iphone and ipad, hate bb hate web os hate windows mobile and windows in general, android is linux based open sorce and all around a bowl full of yummy os with free devlopment sprinkles, apple is just that an apple... you can only eat it so many ways. No matter what you dip it in its still an apple same base taste mind you ios isn't bad. Just not for me. I personally lost all respect for apple when they first sued htc for a phone having a simmaler desine as a consept of the iphone 4. Apple lost a lot when they made att the only place to get an iphone now all of use that were faithfull to sprint verizon tmobile ect... just got the iphone and guess what android took over those markets iphone is now failing on 3 carriers not just one, I say make it cheeper make it simpler and see what happens cause let's face it you have a line of droids fron the eris all the way up to the bionic and razer and all differant levels of the same thing. Just for differant user levels and uses an iphone is an iphone. Nothing more needs said.
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
OK, I'll humor you. Show us where SGS copied iPhone.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You never heard of Google Images? Copy and paste "Google Images" into your browser search bar and the type in the search, "Samsung Galaxy S". It's easy, give it a try. :)
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
What about it? Since you're all-knowing you should have a no problems giving us a very brief summary of what was stolen.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Apple says Samsung copied the iPhone with it. That's the same as stealing...the way Samsung does things.
[Off-topic] dajogejr:
Hmm...seems turn about might just be fair play.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...ipad-banned-by-german-court/?intcmp=obnetwork
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
Are you fugging kidding me? You're repeating Apple's accusations as gospel without even bothering to look at the facts yourself? Are you really that stupid?

Please, just leave already, you've already proven to be a troll, and now you've proven to be a brainless troll.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Why so upset? I already stated I could see the blatant copy of the iPhone in the GS. I already stated it looks the same. It sounds like you are wanting to move people into the forest and then gripe at them when they said they saw the whole forest before going into the forest. You seem to be wanting to disect the GS and ask where the copying is rather than standing back and looking at it and seeing it as a whole.
[Off-topic] AnyMal:
Upset? I was laughing my ass off when I read your posts :D Have a nice day, Mr Troll :D
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
And to you also. :)
[Off-topic] orangekid:
Samsung's lawyesr couldn't tell the difference between a galaxy tab and and iPad

http://www.cultofmac.com/123751/sam...-difference-between-an-ipad-and-a-galaxy-tab/

I think touchwiz does tend to copy iOS to a certain extent, but Apple DID rip off Android with iOS5, the thing is that pulldowns, cloud, etc.. were not patented.

Apple stole from Android and Android stole from Apple. they both copied WM.

IMO everyone should just stop suing each other and try to beat each other in the market. Remember that MS was suing Android manufacturers too, but we don't see threads on MS because HTC and Samsung agreed to pay MS for each android device they sold, I'm pretty sure in that regard MS actually makes more money from Android than from WP7.

Apple is not the "bad guy" here, they all need to stop playing this puerile game and just stick to selling phones. The only real winners here are the lawyers charging $500 an hour.

edit:

here's what I was talking about

http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/microsoft-makes-more-money-from-android-than-windows-phone/
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Oh no, they can create it. They just have to make a deal with the owning company.
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
I thought this rule only applied to licensing rights if the actual name was used? The technology itself is fair game, as long as it's not duplicated. Look at Apple and Windows; they both use the GUI interface. As does Linux. Similar concepts, yet they both exsist.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Google doesn't invent either. They get their revenue from advertising. They do patent what they did invent, in this case, the search engine algorithm. But whatever Google has they've bought or stolen from someone else who invented it. Android wasn't invented by Google and Google can't patent it regardless because it uses technology from Apple, Microsoft and Oracle.

I'd say of the 3 companies, Apple is the one most inventive. Apple was the first with a modern computer OS and MS stole some of the tech from them. Google's OSes have been centered around Linux. They haven't created anything...other than the search engine algorithm.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Exactly, just like Apple initially took the freebsd kernel and sub system along with the Xerox graphic framework/interface, and all together with the rest of the open source tools and libs.
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Okay rather than take one persons word can you cite a few examples of google stealing ideas? I haven't heard that about them which is why I ask.

If they buy others work what's wrong with that? Its the stealing that's wrong if they have done that of course.

Dave
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I'm not privy to the insides of the industry but, from what I understand, Apple (actually Steve Wozniak) built MacOS from the ground up. Then they partnered with another company that brought other components of their next OS, OSx, and merged the two.
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
Isn't Android A Unix-Based OS? Didn't Apple "borrow" the Graphical User Interface from Xerox? I'm confused...

We can go back and forth forever on this debate. At the end of the day, it comes down to preference. If it works for you, that's what really matters. We can consider ourselves lucky to have such technology in this generation. I'm old enough to remember when a cordless landline telephone was considered state-of-the-art. When I was a kid, we didn't have cable television, we had a powered antennae on our roof that was controlled by a brown box with a Norh, South, East, West dial on it. Turn the dial, run outside and watch a giant antennae turn. That was technology back in the 70's, and it was pretty cool.
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
Microsoft claim patent violation but don't specify any particular ones. Apple would sue google in an instant if android could be proved to have stolen their work and oracles claims have been found legally shakey as the head of sun publically gave permission to use java which american patent experts say would invalidate their claim for damages.

So only one I know of being fact is oracle and it wasn't stolen but used with permission from the head of sun and can be found with a search on the net.

Dave
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I'm going by what the media says. Oracle has litigation aginst them right now. Microsoft licenses Android tech to Android hardware makers. Why would MS license Android tech?

The Apple stuff based on what the industry, Apple and others have said. Why would the head of Google attempt to barter a licensing agreement with Apple?

Exactly! What's wrong with buying stuff and patenting it? That's exactly what Apple does on some stuff.

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Nope. It's why Google gives Android away free. Apple would pounce on Google in a heartbeat if they dared to sell Android. Not making money off of Android is why Apple can't get Google directly. It's one of the reasons Apple goes after hardware makers.

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I'm no computer scientist, but I do know Android is Linux based and OSx is Unix based.
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
But you can't give an idea of what they stole from anyone? Its just I have been trying to find out and all I can find are people saying the market looks similar to metro from microsoft because it uses tiles and of course oracles claims so would be interested to find out more ob what google stole if someone can post a link or example?

Dave
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Thats a dirty lie man.. and at the same time explains a lot. You need to go back to school before you get yourself involved into a convo that goes above your pay grade.

I am just saying...
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
Correct. I had it backwards. :::brain fart:::
[Off-topic] hungry81:
This is besides the point. Google does not base its marketing campaign on how "Innovative" it is or what it has or has not invented, Apple does. Apple has been extreemely untrustworthy with the information it has put in its advertising, and the information it allows its fans to circulate. I would have less of a problem with Apple if they stopped pretending to have invented everything and were more Honest. How are critics meant to trust and relate to apple if even its fans don't know they are being lied to?

Apple takes exisiting tech, has it manufactured into a tightly controlled but serviceable product aimed at every day consumers and sells it at a premium. That is all.
[Off-topic] PeartFan40:
http://mobile.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-...s-Apple-Doesnt-Want-You-to-Know-About-350668/
[Off-topic] cyclonmaster:
I think the OS part should be given to the open source community. Let the manufacturer released the hardware part provided the source for their apps, bloatware etc as an addon to the android. User have the power to choose what apps to be included to their devices. Then all this lawsuit is not valid, then a complete clone whatsoever that they claim is on the user hands. So, can they sue the whole world? This kind of lawsuit killing the technologies. As I see it, google make the tech grow faster.

I love Apples when they grow and give new tech. But I hate it now. No new tech since first IPhone released. 3.5" remain as it is. Shame!
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Oh the misinformation in this post... oh, my head hurts...

So here we go: One, as I already said, Google doesn't own the search engine patent. Everyone can look that up, it's public info. Two, while it's true that Google bought Android, they now own it and could therefore definitely patent the unique parts of it (and there *are* unique parts of it, saying that absolutely everything was "stolen" is total nonsense). Three, how is that different from Apple? Like I said, they didn't invent any facial recognition tech, they bought it from Polar Rose last year. Just like they didn't invent the GUI, Xerox did. Just like they didn't invent Siri, they bought it. And the list goes on.

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Microsoft doesn't license Android tech. Microsoft licenses vague, overly broad and trivial patents. But it's cheaper to pay the extortion fee rather than try to invalidate the patents. Motorola and Barnes&Noble are the only ones that didn't give in. And so we learned a bit what kind of patents are involved. One of them is "method to update the phonebook". Now if someone will seriously claim updating the phonebook is a brilliant invention worthy of a patent, instead of something completely obvious, they need to get their head examined.

That's the big problem: Microsoft didn't contribute one bit to Android, and yet they're making more money off it than they're making from their own mobile OS.

Why are you the only one who knows of this supposed attempt? And last time you were asked, failed to provide a link that would confirm it. So it seems it exists only in your head. Unless you can provide a link.

Err, you're hailing Apple as the brilliant inventor. Then it becomes clear that many (and it is "many", not just "some" as you state) weren't invented by them, they bought it. So how can they be a brilliant inventor, when they're no different than pretty much every other big company?

PS. Please, someone who's not on Marty's ignore list, quote this post in full. Otherwise Marty will continue to spout the same nonsense over and over. (well, he might do it *despite* having read how wrong he is)
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
I can remember the first mobile phones, the big brick ones, and agree it is good to have the tech we do.

What surprises me about apple and people saying they are great and ios is brilliant etc is that apple co founder steve wozniak is a big android fan who uses an android phone so if apples co founder loves android it makes you think would he love something if it had been stolen from the company he started as people claim?

Dave
[Off-topic] stkfigure:
Apple sucks, All they do is sue other companies and now that Steve Jobs is dead, they probably will end up doing it more. They're the bad guys here :mad:
[Off-topic] Archer:
Apple have finally found their key demographic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16354093
[Off-topic] Mainspring:
truth.

great post!
[Off-topic] davidrichmond:
exactly, i hate apple and everything it stands for. problem is, there are millions buying just the name because they think its "cool" and because they think its the best, are failing to see much better and supirior android/windows phones
[Off-topic] cyclonmaster:
Apple may win if they open source too. A Dream never come true.
[Off-topic] mistermentality:
In worst case scenario apples multi touch patents and others could be used to make their competitors use inferior methods of doing things that pre date apple but are patented by them.

Apply the patent wars to cars and its easier to see what would happen. One car maker might patent a circle shaped steering wheel so then others have to use different shape or one may patent the use of a pedal press to brake a car.

The problem is that some things are essential for a modern smartphone. Touch screens and the ability to use apps while in call are common but now apple owns these things does it mean others have to risk their wrath if they carry on using these things?

Dave
[Off-topic] Jash_94:
this is abosolutley rediculous and absurc apple feels threated by htc so they try and sue them ahaaha pathetic
[Off-topic] linda poky:
in fact what they're doing now makes the technology stop blooming..
[Off-topic] netwarri0r:
apple really sucks
[Off-topic] octopuslander:
too expensive for me, and i really hate apple.
[Off-topic] fireitup:
Anything done by any company as a "strategic" move that inhibits the advancement of technology across the board is unacceptable! Apple is really good at consumer manipulation to make loads of money. that's about it...