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[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
Im interested in what the laws are like in the EU.

However my own position on this is that one should be allowed to use any software and mods to software you want.

If there is a hardware malfunction they should fix it whatever software you chose to use. If you brick the bootloader they can JTAG it probably.

And this far i have never had anyone ever say anything about me using custom roms and the like.

However i would still like to know what the laws say.
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
That's the thing. The device is INTENDED to run on the software they install. That's how they justify saying that any custom software could be the cause for hardware issues.

Take the PC example you used. OeM have been known to deny warrenty if you installed any OS other then the one that was on it. Like loading Linux on your windows PC. Mainly due to the use open source drivers instead of the OEM drivers made for the device. Samething goes for AOSP roms. They don't use drivers made for the device. They use generic device drivers that "could" cause hardware issues and that is what they love to say.

Spent a few years doing PC and smartphone repairs and that was the first thing we were trained to look for. If we found any sign of Modding in anyway we were to not repair it till they cleared it with the owner that they were going to be charged for it due to a voided warrenty.
[Galaxy S II General] harise100:
Good point.

Amazon repair service didn't use forensic software when I sent them a xperia Neo with the 0%-bug. They replaced it without much ado. Lucky me ;-)
[Galaxy S II General] rako77:
rooting does not mess with the drivers and I am defiantly not touching the cpu clock.

The only reported case of a pc manufacturer that i can find refusing to remedy a hardware problem where the operating system was changed was pc world which later stated that was not there policy and would preform a repair. international law may be different but under Australian law I have full ownership of the device and I think it is outrageous that companies try and weasel there way out of their rights to the consumer.

In my mind if the fault is there's they have to fix it and no way should they be able to say otherwise. Its really just a matter of who has the burden of proof.
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
Yes but rooting does allow you to use the device in a way that was not intended. The burden of proffered lies with it operating with the AOSP it was shipped with.

As for Samsung sending CM phones. Did you notice they hired CM shortly after that and then a few days later the build bot went down and has been down sense?
[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
AOSP = Android Open Source Project

AOSP doesn't mean any stock ROM.

AOSP doesn't mean any generic rom.

I get the feeling there is confusion regarding what AOSP means.
[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
If the phone is unrooted and flashed with stock rom and has counter reset there will definetly be no problem with warranty. They aren't going to do any forensics on your phone! Anyone saying different is just really paranoid.
[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
Not in my country, and i think not in the european union.
[Galaxy S II General] rako77:
yes they did hire Cyanogen shortly after but they sent phones to 4 different member of the team not just Cyanogen.

just because something has unofficial drivers which may cause the issue doesn't mean they have cause the issue so the fact that it is running a modified version of the software is not proof that the modified software caused the issue. My question was does the manufacturer have to proof that the customer caused the issue or does the customer have to proof that the issue was due to the manufacturing (not caused by them). forgetting about what is unintended use.

Although I believe the spirit of the law and when I find the accurate legal definition unintended means unplanned like the device wasn't supposed to do that and that is why it fails. like the phone was not meant to be used as a frisbee and that is why it no longer works. I think the law is the unintended or unreasonable action has caused the problem and that is why the warranty claim in invalid.

For a better example then computers although I think the computer one is till valid if I changed the tires on my car the warranty should still be valid if the engine has a fault.

---------- Post added at 11:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:41 PM ----------

That is true (unless the unsubstantiated rumors of a counter for the number of times the custom binary counter has been reset are ture) although I think they should still honor the warranty if phone is unrooted and flashed with a stock rom and but the counter has not been reset.
[Galaxy S II General] MistahBungle:
If you've bought a phone on contract (i.e a subsidised handset), you have absolutely no leg to stand on whatsoever if you send a phone in for warranty repair & you've flashed a non-stock rom/kernel. Assuming they're able to tell you've done so, of course.

You don't own the phone until that contract is complete (either at the end of the contract period or if you pay it out early).

If you own the phone outright, you might have a case along the lines of what Rako was arguing a page back. But if it ain't yours & they discover what you've done to it, you have no comeback whatsoever.

And I believe it was Mudferret who has said something along the lines of "I tend to void the warranties of most of the devices I buy, so I have no expectation of warranty service" on this board a couple of times.

Truer words have never been spoken.
[Galaxy S II General] rako77:
Copied from Australian Samsung mobile phone warranty with some parts irrelevant to this discussion removed

The part in bold is what I think is most important it says that if damage is caused by those actions so if you modify the device but that does not cause the damage the Australian and New Zealand warranties are still valid. Therefore you shouldn't even need to return to stock firmware and unroot and reset the counter although that is highly recommended if you can to avoid any issues.

Source: samsung.com/au/support/warranty/mobilePhones.html
[Galaxy S II General] :
Coincidental I'm sure. Hard drive went down, eventually fixed, CM9 not to far off so they didn't want to configure the buildbot for CM7 only to have to reconfigure for CM9 shortly. Not the first time it's been down for extended periods, was down for ~month in the spring (?)

They're still coding as well.

Codeworkx posted nightly 117 on his blog a week ago for those who want an update.
[Galaxy S II General] MistahBungle:
*coughs*

They've got you by the nuts with the first word after the first bullet point. Essentially, they're a big company, you're a consumer who did something your phone is not designed to do out of the box, they're quite happy to stonewall you/insist they're right until the cows come home because they can afford to.

At the end of the day, once you begin arguing the point with them, you're going to pretty quickly reach a stage where you're going to cut your losses given how much it would cost you to challenge them legally (over a $500 phone).

I can guarantee you they will claim use of non-official firmware on the device is misuse & will not relent.

Edit - For example, if you're dumb/unlucky enough to hard brick the phone as a result of flashing, if that ain't "damage caused by misuse" I'll go he.

Unless you're one of those few lucky people I've heard about on here/elsewhere who didn't/couldn't hide the fact they'd been messing with the phone before they took it in for warranty service & still got repairs done under said warranty anyway :D
[Galaxy S II General] rasinell:
I've always thought it better to 'loose' your phone and claim on your third party insurance than take the risk of getting a jobs worth at a repair center screw you.
[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
Unless you are on a "leasing" contract then the phone is yours. You might owe money but the phone is still yours.
[Galaxy S II General] marber45:
There is also another very important factor. The returning of the customer. When buying a top of the line phone i expect top of the line service. There is always someone else who wants to sell me a phone and a bad experience with service might make me go that way....
[Galaxy S II General] Prankey:
Its very exciting assumption on this website which says - if you root or flash a custom ROM, you void warranty and should offer "donations" to Samsung when servicing the phone for genuine reasons!

I wont say more than this and I know I may invite a lot of WRATH by the "donor" members here :D

I wont comment on contracted or operator locked phones as they don't belong to you till the end of contract period.

I would take a refund if Samsung do not fix my issues and if I can't get them resolved even through a rooted and custom ROM! And I may return with custom firmware on the phone with 100s of custom ROM counter and overclocked to atleast 1.6GHz and 400MHz GPU. Go figure!
[Galaxy S II General] bamboorat:
I already void my warranty, cuz root can offer me more benefits.

However, Thank you so much.
[Galaxy S II General] Prankey:
Ok so you already concluded that you void warranty by rooting your phone? Seems my strong posts do not matter to most of us as there is no where written on Samsung's warranty terms that rooting will void the warranty.

Let me try again. Rooting and installing custom ROM will not be supported by Samsung, however they wont either deny warranty claims if you accept for them to test the issues after flashing latest official ROMs. And that's the gist of the story buddy.
[Galaxy S II General] JJEgan:
I wont comment on contracted or operator locked phones as they don't belong to you till the end of contract period.

In the UK at least most users get a phone as part of a one or two year network contract .

The actual deal is you buy the airtime contract but the phone is a gift given as an inducement to buy the contract . You own it from day one and seller warranty is the normal 12 months no matter if its a 24 month contract .

jje
[Galaxy S II General] zelendel:
Have you sent back a phone that was rooted with a custom rom on it?
[Galaxy S II General] xmoo:
I need to get my USB port fixed and the repair center and they said cause of the issue being a hardware issue, I can keep my phone rooted.
[Galaxy S II General] MistahBungle:
You might get away with it, you might not. Me, I wouldn't risk it. Back everything up to external SD, flash stock & wipe the flash counter with a jig.

Get your phone back (or a new phone), root/flash your rom of choice, restore your stuff...Happy days.

Easy peasy ;)
[Galaxy S II General] yokuoh:
If you are in the EU rooting does NOT void the manufacturer's statutory warranty.

This is not debatable - it is EU law.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1998801

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:NOT

Hope this is useful to those of you reading this thread in the European Union.

:good:
[Galaxy S II General] Kevgretor:
but is this valid only for european warranty, or also for a specific EU country warranty?
[Galaxy S II General] yokuoh:
No, it's not specific to a single country - it is a blanket law that covers the whole of the EU.

Countries were given a specified time to adhere to it and to integrate it into their own laws - the law is fourteen years old so it is now implemented throughout the EU.

:good:
[Galaxy S II General] :
Just what I was looking for. Thanks man.
[HTC Sensation] qassamy88:
Hi i am looking for the stock firmware to htc sensation xe, it have to be the nordic version.

pls help me!! :D
[General Questions and Answers] hyanev:
Hi Guys, i'm using a 2.3.3 Android Gingerbread and some of my android market apps self-start themselves and just use CPU without need for !? These are Facebook, the music player, mail and so on. Could you advise how to tell the system not to start them automatically? I'm also using the Go Launcher.

Please, help on that. Thanks in advance!
[General Questions and Answers] jasidge:
u can use some apps that it can kill some applications when they are starting
[General Questions and Answers] eckounltd:
this dosent really solve ur issue but u can try GO TaskManager Widget it will kill apps running in background
[General Questions and Answers] Ozguitar67:
I was annoyed by the same exact thing on my phone. I tried the apps that are supposed to kill tasks like that, but they come back and start themselves again. I ended up rooting my phone and buying Titanium Backup to freeze those apps so that they don't auto-start/run on my phone at all.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhawk312:
I recently rooted and modded my phone. I've been playing around with different roms over the last couple weeks and have settled on Decks GB 1.3

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1078558

Now I'm trying to find an excellent minimalist theme. I've searched this forum but there are just SO many different themes. Most seem to be made specifically for MIUI or aren't very minimalistic.

Can some of you point me toward your favorite minimalistic themes that are compatible with Decks or Cyanogenmod? Thanks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Psichi:
If you are looking for themes for the T-Mobile theme engine, I like to use https://market.android.com/details?id=com.cgas.jamtbf.free&feature=search_result
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] plainjane:
When I used CM7, I liked Matted Blues. Back then it was flashable, now I think it's on the market as an apk for a few bucks. It looked great though.

Supersonic Evo 4G | MIUI | Tapatalk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kekoh:
The best route for minimalistic is usually MIUI. I don't really know of any minimal themes for CM7 so I have no recommendations.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhawk312:
thanks for the replies. JAMT is good theme but I'm looking for other themes.

I found these on the XDA Themes section:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=686130&page=867

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=686130&page=870

Anything along these lines for CM7/Deck?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Psichi:
Have you checked out http://justreveal.blogspot.com/p/cm7-themes.html
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lennycarlo:
I performed a Factory Reset and now my Trackpad seems to have reverted to the 3.0 operation.

The Circle cursor is gone, replaced with the impossible to read arrow and Zoom/Drag with 2 fingers no longer works.

I tried to run an OTA update, but cannot as the program states I already have the latest version.

I have not rooted the transformer and cannot seem to load the 3.2.1 .apk file.

Any help/ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: That was dumb :(

Took the Transformer out of the Dock and found the "Touchpad Pointer Style". Set it and it is operating as expected. Sorry :(
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drj_cro:
Hi,

how can i root Prestigio multipad pmp7074b3g?

thnx
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drj_cro:
this work for me

download and install GingerBreak, you must have USB debugging enabled.

start GingerBreak,wait and this is it :)
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
successfully deodexed the custom ROM :D :D

i have successfully deodexed the stock 2.2 V10D ROM(INDIA).

NOW, off to UOT for making my themes :D :D :D

see the third post for steps :)
[LG Optimus Black] officialreloaded:
Good. Thanks for elaborating the steps. :)
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
[HOW-TO] deodexing

i would elaborate how exactly i deodexed the stock ROM.

as i am on an frustratingly low bandwidth, i cannot share the full deodexed ROM. the setup is very simple and ANYONE can deodex the ROM if we follow the steps.

now, this is almost similar to the other deodexing tutorial, however with some modifications to run on our black.

read on if u are interested :)

NOTE: u should have SDK & JDK installed.

i take NO responsibility if your phone is bricked

1. download the attached xULTIMATE zip from http://www.multiupload.com/UZ422MMJZR. (this is NOT made by me and i don't take any credit of it)

2. turn USB debugging on and connect your phone to the computer. if all goes well the program will recognize your phone.

3. click the "main.exe". a command prompt will open.

4. select option "5". this is an integrated option to perform all the commands given from 1 to 4.

5. wait till the command prompt turns green and says it was successful.

6. disconnect the phone and reconnect it.

7. turn on USB mass storage and copy the "done_app" and "done_frame" to SD Card. make sure it is not in any sub-folder (i.e., it is in the root of the sd card).

8. turn off USB mass storage mode.

8.5 install busybox if u don't have it

9. open command prompt, create an ADB SHELL and type the following:

$su (u should get a super user request on the phone which u should allow, keep the phone unlocked to see the permission request)

#mount -o rw,remount -t ext4 /dev/block/mmcblk1p21 /system

#busybox cp /sdcard/done_app/* /system/app/

#busybox cp /sdcard/done_frame/* /system/framework/

#rm /system/app/*.odex

#rm /system/framework/*.odex

#chmod 644 /system/app/*

#chown root.root /system/app/*

#chmod 644 /system/framework/*

#chown root.root /system/framework/*

#mount -o ro,remount -t ext4 /dev/block/mmcblk1p21 /system

#reboot

the initial reboot will take a little long. u can also get a "LG security team 'ERROR'" report. the cell WILL reboot :)

now head over to UOT, upload ur framework.apk(/system/framework) and customize your phone to your heart's content :D:D:D:D:D

helped???...press the "THANKS" button :)
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
weird "DEAD" pixel issue.. :S

dunno if it is specific to me, but i have a weird issue of a single dead pixel with the deodexed ROM!!!...might be a hardware fault,just wanted to cross check if anyone has deodexed their ROM...anyone???
[LG Optimus Black] hulkhaugen:
I want to modify my phone.apk, only replace pngs. Do i need to deodex to do that? JDK, is that regular java which i use for many of my everyday tasks? This will probably work for V10e also, right?
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
yes JDK is the same :p..most of us have it installed...yet, it's always better 2 state what u need :o :rolleyes:

as for the .png replacement, am nt sure bout the need to deodex. but as far as i know, odex files are pretty closely bound to their respective apk's.

give it a try, if it dosen't work, then go for deoexing :)
[LG Optimus Black] mpoendi:
thanks

thanks to deodex this rom.
[LG Optimus Black] GerardoSDR:
the stock rom is a crap, better use cm7 or cm9 or even zeus
[LG Optimus Black] Irochk:
Does this work with v20?
[LG Optimus Black] ssanthosh:
link not working

link not working
[LG Optimus Black] Irochk:
You can download it here http://www.2shared.com/file/am_bqx1Z/xUltimate-v233.html
[LG Optimus Black] achyut:
i haven't tried :p...there are too many great stock based ROMs for v20, so deodexing is unneeded :D

search for "xUltimate" :rolleyes: :D or rather use the dsixda's kitchen :D :D
[LG Optimus Black] treborblack:
Does not work on v20p for me.

Steps 1,2 and 4 complete.

step three hangs at GoogleQuickSearchBox.odex

Starting GoogleQuickSearchBox.odex

*****************************************

* Deodexing... *

Error occured while loading boot class path files. Aborting.

org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath$ClassNotFoundException: Could not find sup

erclass Landroid/preference/PreferenceFragment;

at org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath$ClassDef.loadSuperclass(ClassPa

th.java:788)

at org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath$ClassDef.<init>(ClassPath.java:

676)

at org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath.loadClassDef(ClassPath.java:280

)

at org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath.initClassPath(ClassPath.java:16

3)

at org.jf.dexlib.Code.Analysis.ClassPath.InitializeClassPath(ClassPath.j

ava:131)

at org.jf.baksmali.baksmali.disassembleDexFile(baksmali.java:111)

at org.jf.baksmali.main.main(main.java:282)

Error while loading class Lcom/google/android/googlequicksearchbox/preferences/S

ettingsFragmentBase; from file .\origi_app\GoogleQuickSearchBox.odex

Error while loading ClassPath class Lcom/google/android/googlequicksearchbox/pre

ferences/SettingsFragmentBase;

Press any key to continue . . .
[LG Optimus Black] treborblack:
Solved :cowboy: deleted GoogleQuickSearchBox.odex, then downloaded google search from play store, now works
[LG Optimus Black] somboons:
I got error message as below.

- C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.7.0_05

- xUltimate-v2.4 and xUltimate-v2.3.3 same error

- set "Java Run Time Parameters" to " -Xmx1024m"

-windows7 64bit 6GB RAM

Starting framework.odex

*****************************************

*******THIS WILL TAKE A LIL BIT!!********

* Deodexing... *

UNEXPECTED TOP-LEVEL ERROR:

java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space

at org.jf.dexlib.ClassDataItem.readItem(ClassDataItem.java:144)

at org.jf.dexlib.Item.readFrom(Item.java:76)

at org.jf.dexlib.OffsettedSection.readItems(OffsettedSection.java:48)

at org.jf.dexlib.Section.readFrom(Section.java:143)

at org.jf.dexlib.DexFile.<init>(DexFile.java:431)

at org.jf.baksmali.main.main(main.java:254)

Press any key to continue . . .
[LG Optimus Black] Stark_Mark72:
How!!

I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but i gotta ask:

How do I start the adb shell??(Step 9)
[LG Optimus Black] Stark_Mark72:
Help!!

I am getting an error when it tries to deodex....

I am using rooted Stock ICS,

Please help!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aras1:
hey guys..

i bought the sensation xe 3 weeks ago and the sound of the headphones was just amazing

and yesterday i bought the nexus but when i use the beats headphones with the nexus music is flickering sometimes, can it be a hardware issue ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] snidrx:
not experiencing same issues as yours. im using sensation xe ibeats on a 4.0.2 GSM GN. can you elaborate on the flickering/static sound?
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] thenicksherman:
I'm just wondering if there are any devs working on this. I know there were a couple working on it, but what happened? Did it get discontinued? Thanks guys:D
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ultimakillz:
Yes, people are working on it. In the meantime, be thankful for what we do have instead of whining about what we don't. That's the reason for the season.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] thenicksherman:
Yeahh, i'm definitely whining. Sorry for asking questions, maybe my post shoulda gone in the Q&A section.. oh wait.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] ultimakillz:
Well, the title of the thread said it all. I didn't mean to sound like an ass, it's just that we have great devs putting out great work right now, and still people are unhappy. Anyway, yes people are working on it and it has not been discontinued as far as I know.
[Samsung Galaxy S (4G Model)] camalus:
Just move on to a new phone. That's what I did. Sgs4g will never have CM.