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[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] fortunz:
What are you guys? Machines? Robots? Andro... ... ... .... oh.

I've seen this line of reasoning online before. Someone voices a complaint on a forum that's perfectly rational and completely relevant to the topic at hand, and so they must not have room to worry about what really matters (none of which is on topic). :rolleyes: The reasoning is almost as silly as the melodrama. Venting a little in a thread designed for venting says nothing about one's worrying priorities. For my part, let me assure everyone that I'm still very much concerned about the plight of the honeybees.

As to how temporary the setback is, that depends on what you consider the setback to be. Is it the new software version that's easily rolled back and seems to be freezable? Or is it Barnes and Noble's clear intent to target progress here? The latter is not that temporary. Conceivably, B&N's move could provoke additional development activity from folks who don't like getting reigned in and thus not be a setback at all, on the other hand, when a new capable/cheap tab steals the spotlight and has a less hostile manufacturer, some devs might move on to greener pastures to embrace making love, not war.

If indeed the former is true, all the more reason to stoke the fires of resistance and wage a propaganda campaign against the big bad barnes and noble to draw in more ground troops. Come on folks, more emotion! Really put your shoulder into it!

;)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
OK, ok. Well said. I'll assume this is simply a "vent thread." Perhaps I could type with all caps and exclamation points for more emotion.

I simply fail to see the "rationality" of yelling "I'm returning this because I'm pissed." Relevant, perhaps, but rational? No reason other than emotion is given. One could argue the reason is that B&N is being unfair. They were being unfair from the start - I question why some people yelling this bought the device knowing the bootloader was locked. (I'm perfectly aware not everyone is in that boat and I can't imagine their frustration.)

You are correct, however, that this is a thread to voice opinion - in that respect I was incorrect to issue any sort of rebuke. People are free to be irrational all they want and I will respect that. I'll save my thoughts for another thread that is productive.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] fortunz:
Point taken, not all outbursts are perfectly rational, however the spring TV season doesn't start for like a month and I need to be entertained, so I'd still like to not discourage melodrama until then. I can only watch The Santa Clause so many times.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
You made me smile. :D Happy Holidays. :cool:
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] yaggermr:
I Picked up a 32gb k1 ideapad for $270 new yesterday at office depot arrives Thursday. The reviews have been a little mixed it seems o be fairly beefy but Bluetooth, mini hdmi out, gps, 10 inch screen can help me forgive some of its chubbiness. I feel like I'm on a rebound girlfriend and I'm trying to get my friends to say shes really hot and things will work out great. Here's to hoping
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] xdahgary:
Single core?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
Actually, that looks like quite a decent deal. Certainly gives me pause when considering a tablet.

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Dual-core, apparently. Tegra 2.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] xdahgary:
That does sound good. I'll take a look too.

Out of stock already...

and what's with "up to 1GB DDR RAM"?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
Only thing that I see as a drawback is the screen. I really would like an IPS display but for all sub-$400 tablets with specs close to the Nook Tablet, it really appears that TFT is the only option. Please, someone, correct me if I'm incorrect - I'd like to see some more options out there.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] xdahgary:
Yes, IPS screens much better. SAMOLED is good too but sammys are expensive.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] yaggermr:
Its 1 GB of ram and I don't know why they put it that way. It was 250 at lenovo site today but it sold out but the price is under three hundred when shops have it in. So if your looking at this don't pay $350 0r $400. Its a three hundred dollar tablet now and will continue to drop.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] krier32:
Violation of the B&N Nook Tablet Terms of Service??

I am getting one of the Tablets for Christmas. Can't wait, however, I'm really disappointed to hear this sideloading is blocked.

This update doesn't even comply with the B&N Terms of Service for the Nook Tablet.

The first paragraph says:

1. Using Your NOOK.

(a) Your NOOK, the Service and Digital Content. Your NOOK is an electronic device that is designed to allow you to read digitized electronic content such as eBooks and digital periodicals ("Digital Content"). Your NOOK is also designed to connect wirelessly to the Internet to enable you to browse, preview, search for, purchase and download Digital Content; access the Barnes & Noble.com Web Site (the "Web Site") and other web sites; interface with social networking sites; and access, use, and participate in other services, features, functions and promotions (all features described in this sentence, collectively, the "Service"). Your NOOK also allows you to load and access your own content onto the device for your personal use ("Sideloaded Content").

The TOS gives you explicit permission to load your own Content.

Wouldn't 3rd party apps be considered content as well?

Just a thought here.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] roustabout:
I found a deal on a k1 a bit back, had it for about a week and a half, got rid of it.

One thing that it did that I found annoying was that if you had the LCD dialed all the way down in brightness to use for reading at night, the screen visibly flickered. Not rootable, and Lenovo has no way to do a factory restore.

Picked up a transformer.

Great upgrade: tons of community. Rootable. Nice display. No fighting with the vendor over installing stuff. Yes, it was more expensive up front.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] mohawkx:
I was sorely disappointed with the fact that the B&N upgrade to 1.4.1 would plug the sideloading hole in the NT. Frankly, I felt cheated. In the buying process, I compared the specs and capabilities of the various 7" devices side by side. The clincher for me was the fact that you could sideload apps without rooting the device and the superior hardware of the NT. When I made my decision and purchased the NT that's what I got. A 7" color ereader with limited tablet capabilites but great specs and possibilites. When the "FORCED" update was implimented I really felt burned by B&N and my immediate gut response was to return the NT for a refund and buy a refurbished nook color with a N2A card. But after seeing the good folks at XDA furiously working on the necessary hacks to the NT, I've decided to wait it out for a while and see what develops in the near future.

In all honesty, I have more faith that the developer community can maximize the superior hardware of the NT platform better than B&N can plug the holes in it. At least they have approx 40 days to do so before I need to return the NT for a full refund. (Jan 31st return deadline)

Have faith, and be patient. The gurus and experts are working on it as we speak. If things go well we'll end up with a killer 7" Android Tablet.

If things don't go so well, then when tens of thousands of NTs start getting returned to B&N the last week in January, I'm sure B&N will see the connection and get the message.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] chaoticaffinity:
Possible way to protect root?

Ok, so is there anyone who 1) had a rooted NT with 2) Google Apps installed in /system/app and 3) upgraded to 1.4.1 and if there is do you still have the google apps installed in /system

If not then this idea won't work for others as it would confirm that the update erases /system and then installs the update vs copies the updates over and deletes su/root

If the google apps are still there then couldn't we use an app like temp root remover or a manual rename of su to protect root. Basically rename su , apply 1.4.1 ,use the renamed su to change back to su and be back to fully rooted.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] zmobie:
If you read the 1.41 blocking thread there aren't really confirmations of blocking yet because no one knows when exactly updates get pushed. However, Indirect' srooting method has FOTAkiller installed on it (OTA update blocking) so he may have indirectly (*badumching*) solved this issue. There are lots of other methods there too....
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Sl4sher:
I have to disagree with the general sentiment here...

B&N (as well as Amazon) are not trying to position themselves as hardware manufacturers but rather as content providers. They will of course behave just as Microsoft and Sony do with their consoles, they forgo the profit on the physical device in order to make a greater profit on software and publishing down the line. But, in order to attract publishers and keep revenue coming to them and not, say... Google, the device must be locked down.

To B&N anyone sideloading apps is pretty much a net loss and a returned Nook is probably the best outcome for them as they can then resell it as a refurb to someone who will use their overpriced market exclusively.

While I cannot find a Bill of Materials for the Nook Tab, iSuppli estimates that the slightly worse spec'ed Kindle Fire costs $201.70 to manufacture. Therefore B&N can't be making more than $50 per unit, plus unlike Amazon, B&N has overhead such as a brick and mortar stores and dedicated sales and support staff at each one.

(Source: http://www.techspot.com/news/46329-isuppli-amazon-sells-kindle-fire-at-a-small-loss.html)

So while I fully believe in controlling my own hardware and love my softmodded Xbox, my JTAG'ed 360, and my rooted Nook, it is never a surprise when the manufacturer tries to break modifications they didn't authorize. Especially when they stand between the them and the money they'd like to be rolling in.

It seems like the best solution is to stay on 1.40 or roll back if you already caught the update, block OTA via any of the available methods and go on about your day feeling content that B&N is taking a loss by selling you the tablet in to first place.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] miniblue:
I made up the recovery SD now waiting for Santa 6
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] HMG10:
Considering the extra ram, better screen, larger HD and SD card slot, its probably little to no profit.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] gtaber:
never mind
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] zaptoons:
I agree with you, and I think most people understand this. My problem with this isn't your argument, it's B&N.

Here's the thing:

Amazon makes money off of me, and I don't own any Amazon device. Amazon knows how to sell things to me. They didn't try to lock me into anything, coerce me, trick me or anything else. I buy things from Amazon because I like what they sell, and they know how to sell it. I gladly choose to have their app store and kindle on my non Amazon devices.

Google makes money off me - pretty much ditto the above.

Heck, even Apple makes money off of me with their app store, and I pretty much hate giving Apple my money. But they know how to sell things.

B&N: they've gotten their meager profit on the Nook from me, and pretty much not another dime in years. I don't buy content from B&N. They DON'T seem to know how to sell me things in the digital arena. I wouldn't willingly choose to put their Nook software on a non B&N device, and their app store is a joke even on their own device.

Their corporate desire to force me to buy from them doesn't change the fact that they're starting from the back of the pack already due to their misunderstanding of the new digital marketplace. THAT'S what they need to focus on rather than trying to lock people into a walled garden device with a z-grade app store.

Your argument rightly acknowledges that they are trying to keep money from flowing right past them to Google. What they should be asking themselves is: now WHY would that be? Is Google forcing people to give them money rather than B&N with some lockdown BS? No? Then why not emulate what Google does right, rather than try and force things?

If their $250 device is a shaky business model- tough. Stay out of the game then. Setting up another even shakier business model based on trickery to make up for a crappy ecosystem is eventually going to fail as well.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] TonyBigs:
I like conspiracy theories: B&N let users have their fun with the Nook Color, get all the free press, buzz on the web, developers working away, and *witness, download and examine all the exploits* then come down with the hammer on the Nook Tablet.

Is it a coincidence that this update comes fast on the heels of the Tablet? I don't think so.

It was the lack of this kind of garbage that was to (originally) set Android apart from the Apple pris.. er, ecosystem. Now the businesses are creating their own closed off Android ecosystems.

What happened to this: http://source.android.com/about/philosophy.html ?

I think MS has an opportunity here. Windows and Linux are starting to look more and more like freedom.

END OF RANT.

Thanks for reading.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] kusje:
Dear All,

Does anyone know if the purchase date for the nook tablet is determined as the order date or the shipping date? I ordered during the pre-order stage and I want to return it!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] nataluna:
what do you guys think about this??

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com...lock/m-p/1244711/message-uid/1244711#U1244711

have B&N seen the error of their ways, or ... something?

pretty sure i am still returning mine and getting a real android tablet that i don't have to mess with ... even if it means spending twice as much for what i really want.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] fortunz:
It was a commenter at engadget who seemed to have talked to someone in retail, as I posted at b&n a moment ago, not a blogger who talked to someone at corporate. Anything is possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

In the meantime, to get a feel for how some of our devs are feeling, read this thread at the same forum. Is it just propaganda designed to either sway B&N towards openness or draw other developers into the fight? Perhaps. But it also makes me think maybe I'd be better off with a Nook color and CM7.

Funny thing is, if I got a Nook Tablet with sideloading permanently enabled, I'd probably avoid even rooting. Just load my own launcher and Amazon app store and I'd probably use B&N's store for books and magazines. With the Nook Color, I'm likely to avoid B&N's store, mostly because I have no desire to reward their closed nature. The theory that even all xda users just want the hardware and nothing else from B&N is wrong. There are a lot of users of xda wares that are far more friendly than some of the core users who like to brag about their steals. The core users are respected by a lot of other people, including those who don't root, rom or sideload.

B&N never could have climbed as high as they did without the hacking community making their first tablet so notorious. They got tons and tons of free, highly credible and highly effective advertising. Maybe they don't need us anymore to maintain that position, but they could really use allies against Amazon, their real enemy, right now.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>[Amazon] didn't try to lock me into anything, coerce me, trick me or anything else.

Sure, the grass is always greener on the other side. May be you'd want to wake up and read the news on the last KF update.

>[B&N] DON'T seem to know how to sell me things in the digital arena

What makes you think they're selling to you? Some geek guy trolling the market for cheap hardware that he can exploit?

Your beef is the same as with every other ranter. You think you're the center of the universe, and everything that happens must be about you. Reality: Not really.

B&N and Amazon are following the closed-market model. You knew this going in, but you're counting on that they'll leave the loopholes open. Now, you're pissed off because they decided to close the loophole, ie you guessed wrong. If you want anybody to blame, go look in the mirror.

It always has been a cat-and-mouse game. That's what XDA is about. If you want to play the game, then roll up your sleeve and get cracking. Or, wait for a dev to do likewise. If you can't be bothered, go buy an "open" tablet. But please, quit yer bellyachin' because you can't get your toys working right.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] zaptoons:
Did you read what I said?

I don't own a KF, and yet I still buy things from Amazon and have their stores on my devices. CLUE #1: Amazon makes money from me and many others without me even owning their hardware. It has nothing to do with the KF, it has to do with their app store and business practices working. CLUE #2: B&N could do the same, develop a world class app store and learn how to actually sell things, and people would flock to it and buy things from them, even when they don't own their hardware.

I, like everyone else here, are what's known as a consumer. ANY business has to compete in the legit marketplace for our money. That's how it works.

No need to get your panties in a twist because not everyone falls down and worships at the feet of some company just because we bought a device from them like perhaps you do. Perhaps you're emotionally tied to B&N's bad business model, but I'm not. If it's a bad business model it will fail. Tough.

And I've said before, I have no beef with the devs here- in fact, they're the ones responsible for me and many others buying the NT, ironically, not B&N itself. If B&N makes a single dime off of me, it's because of the devs here, not their lousy business practices and their desire to foil the very people that are pushing their product for them.

If me or anyone else stating the above makes you get all emo, that's not really my problem, it's yours.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>Did you read what I said?

You actually said something?

>I, like everyone else here, are what's known as a consumer.

<chortle> Yes, everybody on XDA is a consumer. Why don't companies just cater to our whims and do everything we want?

Feel feel to wake up from your wet dream any time you like.

>No need to get your panties in a twist

I'm not the one moping about big evil vendors. Poor you.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] zaptoons:
This is a thread for people to share thoughts on 1.41. That's what people are doing here. Clearly you didn't bother to read the thread title either.

Go start your own thread called: "People who are butthurt because other people are expressing their thoughts on 1.41" and shut up already.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
It's neither a thread about "people who are butthurt because the company close out a loophole."

Yes, actually, you are right. It's a thread for ranters. It doesn't do any good to get in front of a rant, and I should just let you and the others get it out of your system. It's like little kids having a tantrum. The best thing to do is just to ignore them.

And I do, most of the time. But sometimes, it's an itch that just need to be scratched. So, I am. And you're the beneficiary. Lucky you, eh? To have your "company is d0med cuz I dun like em" rant answered?

Just think of it as my early Xmas gift to you.

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>Obviously B&N and Amazon have chosen not follow the goals and philosophy of the Android project

Heavens forfend!

>we, the Free Android Community will continue to hack, reverse engineer, and modify the software

I don't see whining in there. May be you should revise.

>Sounds like we are going to have fun!

I know I am! :)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] gtaber:
And you say that like there is something wrong with it? As far as I'm concerned, Every bit of software that came on my NT is crap, except for the core OS files, and I have no use for it, so it is gone-I've got more than 20 apps with *.bn.* in their name totally locked out and it runs great all the apps I want it to run. I bought it with every intention of hacking it, and this update did not effect me....I didn't even know about it until I saw everybody crying about it here, cuz it never happened to me, I been rooted and had the BN crap gone for weeks now. But it's the same as when you buy a new PC, I always wipe it when I get it home and install the OS my way-all manufacturers load their hardware up with crap I don't want. Just blow it away and continue on.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>>What makes you think they're selling to you? Some geek guy trolling the market for cheap hardware that he can exploit?

>And you say that like there is something wrong with it?

Nope. Hacking hardware is what XDA is about. What's wrong is a bunch of self-entitled brats who whine and bluster and threaten at the first sign of inconvenience. Oh yeah, and the "dey iz d0med cuz dey borked me toyz" twits.

XDA is not about whining or begging for vendors to hand out good stuff on a silver platter.

==========

Hey, lemme help you whinerz out!

FREE B&N VOODOO DOLL!

http://stefko25.deviantart.com/art/Interactive-flash-VooDoo-doll-69554945
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] soy.lor.n:
I agree with the OP.

My husband wants to buy me an ebook for Christmas. I told him to buy it from B&N because I wanted to support them for supporting us. Now I'm gonna have him buy it from Google Books instead.

I told a friend to buy a Nook Tablet, I'm now going to change that recommendation to the Fire, because he wants a tablet* that he can read on and out of the box the Nook Tablet is, ironically, just a color ereader, not a tablet.

*differentiated primarily by the ability to use apps, which the B&N store is lacking, especially when it comes to free apps
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] gtaber:
So is there any particular reason you have decided to include me in that catagory? I have only welcomed B&N's tactics because of the further challenge they give me. You are just too stupid to tell the difference in the posts and that I am not one of the whiners....you are getting so caught up in trying to put everybody but yourself down that you think anybody who responds to your posts are below you. You are lashing out at anybody who posts in this thread who is not you. Now I know why I usually just lurk on these forums, and suck up the info I need and not bother with idiots like you. That's why I am a Junior member, not because I'm new to Android, but because I don't post, I treat these forums like I do the hardware....take what I need, and discard the rest. That's why I can't figure out why I'm posting this....I thought I outgrew this years ago. OK. back to lurking, no more posting for me.