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[Off-topic] falconeight:
Your telling half the story. Apple has a valid argument as its a big feature.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57345445/apple-patents-using-apps-during-calls/

A method, comprising: at a portable electronic device with a touch screen display: displaying on the touch screen display a first user interface for a phone application during a phone call; detecting activation of a menu icon or menu button during the phone call, in response to detecting activation of the menu icon or menu button, replacing the first user interface for the phone application with a menu of application icons including an icon for the phone application and an icon for a non-telephone application; maintaining the phone call while displaying the menu of application icons on the touch screen display; detecting a finger gesture on an application icon in the menu of application icons other than the phone application icon; in response to detecting the finger gesture on the application icon other than the phone application icon, displaying a corresponding application user interface on the touch screen display while continuing to maintain the phone call and modifying the corresponding application user interface to include a switch application icon that is not displayed in the corresponding application user interface when there is no ongoing phone call; detecting a finger gesture on the touch screen display on the switch application icon; and in response to detecting the finger gesture on the switch application icon, replacing display of the corresponding application user interface with the first user interface for the phone application while continuing to maintain the phone call.

Breaking it down, here's the list of steps the patent actually covers:

1. During a call on a mobile device with a touch screen, with the phone user interface showing, the users touches either a menu button or an icon.

2. The device replaces the phone interface with a menu of application icons, including the phone icon.

3. A user's finger gesture chooses another app.

4. The app's interface comes up, all the while not dropping the call. The interface includes a "switch application icon" only when a phone call is occurring.

5. The user performs a finger gesture on the switch application icon, taking the user back to the phone interface.

There are also dependent claims that extend this concept in various ways. For example, the switch application icon could appear in the menu of application icons only when a phone call is underway. The menu icon or button could also simultaneously activate the speaker function, so the user can watch the screen and still hear the person.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Summary: It's task switching as systems have had it since pretty much forever. But this time it's during a phone call! OMG!!! This totally makes it a new invention!!

*rolls eyes*
[Off-topic] alvaroag:
That's exactly what I said - Apple is trying to patent anything just to stop the competitors. What that draft describes is something I was able to do with my old Xperia X10 Mini with Android 1.6, ans it's not an innovation from Apple. Appart from the touchscreen, that's something I could even do with my old SE W760, and I'm sure my work phone - Nokia 1661 - can do the same.
[Off-topic] Jesushaxyou:
We don't need to worry about Apple monopolizing the mobile market. (alliteration lol). As long as the FCC is hanging around they will not let Apple take too much control over the anything.

The FCC, especially recently, has been more clear cut and harsh about when they're deciding that one company or another is trying to monopolize or take away the competition. That's one of the main reasons AT&T didn't acquire T-Mobile, that's the reason the FCC is pissed at Verizon for hogging all the LTE spectrum.

Sure, Apple really needs to unstick their head from their asses and get off of their pedestal, but basically it will never be monopolized.
[Off-topic] falconeight:
You might think its something to roll your eyes at but it could screw google royally. I use this feature a lot and I'm sure other people do as well. Google has motorola's radio patents and they refuse to use them against apple. I don't know why but they do.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
You completely missed the point. It's not that this isn't a valuable feature. It's that what is so special about it that warrants a patent? Absolutely nothing. It's task switching. Task switching being anything but a new invention. "Phone call" isn't some magical voodoo - it's but yet another task.

And even if we do treat "phone call" as something special, I could do this on my Nokia 7650 in 2002. Of course I can already see the predictable response: But the 7650 doesn't have a touchscreen!! However, this is again just something I can roll my eyes at. Touching the screen to switch instead of using a physical button does not this a new invention make.

So Apple having a patent on this? Complete absurdity. The courts falling for it which would, as you say, "screw Google royally"? Perfect example of the absurdity of the patent system.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Part of it might be the Nuclear WMD Apple holds in its patents arsenal. Apple was awarded the capacitive multi-touch mobile display tech patent earlier this year, which they applied for back on '07, and which all other current smartphones, including Google's, are using. Apple could resort to using it if a situation arose that threatened the existence of their products. Moto's cell tech patents have that potential.
[Off-topic] alvaroag:
The point here is Apple is behaving as Steve Jobs: just because he once had an idea, it's his property; and, as iOS is losing market vs Android, then they are trying to do anything to win, except making a better product, cause now that jobs is dead, Apple is just a company with lots of money but no ideas.

They are trying to patent any idea they have - even if it's not applied on iOS. The "on call multitasking" has been present on android for years, and on many other phone even before android or iOS existed; and iOS isn't fully multitasking, so it's stupid from Apple to patent something like that.

I don't think Apple is just trying to survive, but rather think they are desperately trying to take Android off from the market, as they can't compete with an open alternative, and the battle will turn the same as with microsoft.
[Off-topic] AnimusTheGreat:
They go after HTC and not Google, shame on Apple.
[Off-topic] psxpetey:
apple should really just f*** off everything they make is just a much more expensive version of something else with the exact same hardware basically the onlything different about a mac is start is at the top and it has shorcuts at the bottom OMG GENIUS lol not some people will buy anything in a commercial.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
It the law of nature, unfortunately. The path of least resistance is always taken. A company will look at the viability of doing certain things and will tend to take the path that costs less. All companies do it. Once Apple is finished with all it can wring out of lawsuits, it will have no other alternative than to make better, more improved and updated, products. That's what I'm hoping will happen sooner than later. iOS is in need of serious reworking and upgrading. I'd like to see Apple do with iOS like Google did with Android ICS. But I seriously doubt Apple will do anything until it absolutely has to.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
True that. i really hope apple steps up and makes the next thing. Not that I am in support of apple or google, but someone needs to step up and change the game, atleast microsoft has. Frankly i am quite bored with today's market, I am desiring a change. Something different than these evolutionary updates (yes, is till don't see what the hoopteedoo is for ICS or iOS 5, doesn't seem like any big update to me) that we have been getting and something more innovative like WP7.
[Off-topic] falconeight:
Exactly and that's why google spent that money. Apple screwing with switching from calls to apps is another big one. All these phone shapes and tablet shapes are small. I get worried when they start messing with the operating systems. If apple makes android fine another way to implement app switching and google sues apple for cell tech then it will be ugly for both. I like the competition of the two.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
iOS 5, yes. But ICS is definitely a vast improvement. I especially love the flick-away app-switcher/multi-tasker. And using onscreen controls are brilliant....for the Galaxy Nexus as least. Don't know how it would be implemented on hardware containing cap buttons. I am able to use them on my HD2 and love them.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Ahh please don't take this as hate, like people in the sgs 2 forums did, but what does ics have to offer, other than hw and some visual/ui improvements or changes. I really wanted to feel excited for this update but simply can't find anything that makes me. >.<
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
In all candor, none of them...smartphone makers...provide really groundbreaking as well as breathtaking improvements. But if you expect very little, you can get excited about what does happen. My idea of an amazing improvement would be like the original iPhone. Now, however, an amazing improvement would be that Firefox phone that was shown...as a concept work...a few months ago.

Until a company comes up with another Steve Jobs, there likely will never be any true amazing improvements.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Ah oki...

I remember that concept, it was a true evolution of the phone i would say. What i would really look forward to is sixth sense though, but despite that, i think I'd still prefer the "better quality" display over a mediocre projection. But if the firefox concept was to be combined with the sixth sense concept, that'd be awesome. :D

Anyways I am going off topic. xD
[Off-topic] hungry81:
I think you give Jobs too much credit. While a charismatic mascot is nice, Jobs didn't create iphones anymore than Bill Gates programs windows phone 7. He had engineers and designers (as well as a very well paid and highly skilled marketing team). Sure he may have set certain policy and ground rules (With the help of his board) but Frankly I find the android droid to be just as charming and a lot cuter. Sure the iphone may not have existed the way it does today without Jobs (After all it had to meet his tastes and preferences) but giving him credit for it is to ignore the people who put actual work into the device, and a bit like saying bushfires would be raging out of control without smokey the bear.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Directly, no, Jobs didn't create or bring to light the iPhone. He didn't even bring the original iPod to light either. In fact, when Jobs was presented the iPod design, he didn't believe it would sell. However, Jobs, as the leader of Apple, set everything in motion and controlled the company. As is with all leaders, they are responsible for everything that happens while they are in office. Jobs' management made these things possible. And in that sense, he did create all of the successes of Apple.

Think about how other companies don't bring out revolutionary or highly successful products. It's generally because of the leadership and management of those companies. Without Jobs at Apple, the company would never have been as successful.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
But they do. Hell many of those innovative and highly successful products go INTO an iphone. I dare say that without those products i devices as they are today would not exist. an iphone is only one variation of the combination of these components and products. How you can say apple is innovative/revolutionary/successful but the companies that CREATE the tech behind their i-devices are not is confusing me.

By buying parts from other companies they are cutting out a large percentage of R&D costs that go into making these parts. Yes Apples R&D budget is still formidable BUT that R&D is focused on implimeting already researched and created parts into their product, not building a working part from scratch. For example it is much more difficult to build a new processor from scratch than to figure out how to impliment an existing processor into your product.

Innovation does not have anything to do with a products success or marketing. For example the Apple Newton I believe was innovative, but just ahead of its time as the intital success of palm would go to show.
[Off-topic] Althestrasz:
Maybe this has been said, but this is the way I see it.

Apple is scared, Android is catching up with them.

All the new features, and android 4.0 really wipes out the "bad" of Android 2.0+.

Microsoft is dying, sure, WindowsPhone7 was clever but it isn't going to save them.

Windows is slow and old but used by A LOT of people, but it's just a matter of time until people will look at the latest and greatest Windows upgrade and think "This is just the same crap in a new wrapper."

You have to see that Apple is more than iOS. Mac OS X is the best OS out there (even if you own a windows PC, Mac OS X is way and way easier).

And now you think, what if Windows isn't going to make it. What will happen next?

And that's where Android comes in to play, imagine Android 6.0 (as I see it in a distant future) and it would be able to run nice and smooth on a desktop and also Developers willing to make programs for it. I think Apple has a much much greater problem than some open source geeks stealing their market share on the mobile market.

It's about money, control and people who are crazy enough to pay for things that shouldn't be that expensive.

Long story short: Android has more people, and Apple doensn't like it. Android would be a good desktop OS, if we work for it and make sure everyone helps out.
[Off-topic] densetsu86:
Mac osx is in no way better then windows that is delusional. Osx sure its good for desktop publishing and then engineering field (well windows is the same for engineering that ones 50/50) but there is so much crap that you can't do on osx that is easily done on windows. You got bought in yourself with the marketing of apple.

Video codecs, video processing, games, programming, etc are far easier and more dominate on windows then osx. Osx is not the future. Why do you think there are hardly any virusis on it? Its not cause its more secure. It has no real market penitration. And windows has been hetting increasingly better with every new update/version.

Hell a two button mouse did not come out for mac untill 2003 and to this day its not fully intergrated in.
[Off-topic] falconeight:
You are what is known as a fanboy. Your arguments make sense other than to prove that for some reason you like android and apple is the anti Christ.
[Off-topic] Drzfr3shboialex:
Correction making the Galaxy look like an LG Prada like the apple did with the Iphone
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I've seen the Prada in pictures and it looks nothing like the iPhone. It has a slide-out keyboard and seriously crappy and ugly UI, which reviews said was the worst OS ever to be imagined. And LG ripped Apple off of it capacitive screen tech.
[Off-topic] Althestrasz:
Please, a little respect.

Mac OS X offers a lot more customer-friendly options.

The OS comes with support for a lot of files, you can't edit them, but atleast you can read them.

Games and software work just fine seen from a customer view (not a programmer or developer).

I own a windows PC, and not a mac. Simple reason, I can't afford it. Yet their software just works.

Every OS has it's pro's and con's, but I disargree with you, Windows isn't getting "better" every update they are trying to do what they promised but hadn't done yet.

But this is just my opinion.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Err, what? No it doesn't.

Hahahahaha. Err, dude... Apple did not invent capacitive screens. They did not even invent multi-touch tech. They bought it. Which means multi-touch existed before Apple got hold of it.

And how could LG be the one doing the "ripping off", when the Prada was on the market *before* the iPhone? Seriously, dude...

Thank you though, for providing a perfect example of what I listed in post 54 of this thread - acting as if Apple invented everything, and coming up with inane reasons as to how the prior art doesn't apply to Apple. The world truly is different inside the RDF. It's so different that some other Prada exists in it than it exists in our world.

Just a fyi, Prada vs iPhone:
[Off-topic] Drzfr3shboialex:
Thank you. Apple ripped LG off design wise and its a "new revolutionary design."
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Just discovered in ICS, Google rips off Apple's folder making process in iOS. In iOS, to make a folder, you press and hold on an app and move it to another app. This makes a folder. ICS now does this very same thing.

Of all the gall, Google steals from Apple.

Hmmm...who copies who?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Everyone copies the Prada and Nokia S60. Do you think Apple invented the grid of icons? I've had such an app-drawer on a Nokia 7650 (the first S60 phone) way back in 2002.

Also, on the pic, the app-drawer is open on the Samsung, a deliberate attempt to mislead, a common tactic of Apple and their followers

And what, no comment now that you've actually seen the Prada? Double standards, anyone?
[Off-topic] MilkyJoePD:
I can do that with Gingerbread.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
But it's been an iOS thing from the begining. Even if it could be done in Eclair, it would be stealing from Apple.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
And it's been on Nokia devices years before there even was an iOS.

Only in the world where Nokia S60 didn't exist. Unfortunately for you, S60 *does* exist in our world.

And another fyi for those who don't know yet: MartyLK has me on ignore. That's the only way he can continue spouting his ignorance - by ignoring the people who would show him just how ignorant he is.
[Off-topic] orangekid:
Did Nokia file a patent?

With the prada thing, Apple isn't suing because of the device form factor, they are suing over various software implementations.

Regarding the Nokia thing, can you show a pic illustrating what you're talking about, I haven't seen this, my first smart-phone was when I got my HTC Diamond.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
Just like the patent of the dialer interacting with email, sms, etc, now hold by Apple already existed on Symbian S60 and Windows Mobile 5.X long time before the iPhone eventually came out. I am like using it right now on my n95...

What a extraordinary geniality to patent a user interface of a dialer which can let u access to the email or sms app within the dialer itself.

Guess Nokia or Windows didn't bother to patent it when they actually invented it cuz it was way too stupid to even think someone could have actually patented it in the future.

Though Apple did it.. LMFAO
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Actually, a lot of tech these companies use has been around much longer than they implemented it. The stuff Nokia or MS use wasn't invented by them. Most of this stiff was invented by Apple at some point over their history and others, like MS, Nokia, Motorola all started using it. Nevertheless, ownership is the law. And Apple owns the stuff being used by others. Just like the folder making in Android now. Apple owns that and Google is infringing it. Apple was smart enough to "patent the hell out of it all" way back then. If they hadn't, all these Apple haters might actually succeed in bringing them down.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
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[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Does your delusion really know no bounds? There's this company called Xerox that would have an issue with your statement.

Another point from my post 54 in this thread - an iFan defending the patent system no matter how much he's being shown the brokenness of it. Defending that Apple "owns" stuff they didn't invent.
[Off-topic] Segnale007:
After this there's really no point in answering you anymore. Guess we all got it.

I'll simply ignore u by now..
[Off-topic] falconeight:
Form factor is not an argument and if you are judge that sides on a plaintiff for that you are an ass. If that were the case we would have one laptop maker, one car maker, one tv maker etc. functions are different and I agree that apple has taken the smartphone to the next level. If you don't think other companies picked up a iPhone and dissected it to see how it worked you are nuts. Apple made this industry what it is today and I think android should have to pay them for patent infringements(if true). At the same time apple is not doing themselves any favors by seeing for everything.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
But of course they are. At least in Germany and Australia, but there's so many lawsuits out there in other countries, a few of them are bound to be about design. As an example, Apple got a temporary ban of the Galaxy Tab in Germany based on this sketch:

If you think I'm joking, I truly wish I was. This is a "community design", not a patent, but well, Apple owns it, and so no one should be allowed to make rectangly devices. In Australia it *is* about design patents.

Nokia 7650, home screen:

This screen also shows status of bluetooth, whether you've received an SMS and even calendar appointments. Then, pressing the button on the left, you enter the app-drawer:
[Off-topic] orangekid:
ok the form factor thing then I agree with you, that is INSANE, but the nokia thing, I don't think that's quite the same thing.

How is this even an argument?

Apple is being douchebag, this is irrefutable.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Whether Apple is doing bad or not, that will have to wait till the outcome of it all. But I have to conclude a company as successful as Apple and as smart, surely knows what they are doing. As far as annoying or angering these few Apple haters, I'm sure Apple doesn't even know they exist. The vast majority of people support and love Apple. These Apple haters are like a miniature Chihuahua (not even a full sized Chihuahua) going up against a Rottweiler.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Where do you come up with this VAST majority when Android holds 50% of the mobile OS market? Oh and you better believe apple knows they exist...hence the reason they try to attack every company out there. Remember that tiny Spanish tablet maker a couple months back that apple sued? They beat Apple with their $20/hour lawyer AND apple had to pay retribution!
[Off-topic] falconeight:
That's what was being said right before Microsoft lost its monopoly battle.
[Off-topic] orangekid:
lol, what?

Android has a higher market share than iOS

there's also this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/22/us-smartphones-europe-idUKTRE7BL0FU20111222
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
So what if Android has a higher market share? What's that have to do with Apple hate? Are you saying it's a given that every Android buyer hates Apple?
[Off-topic] wcr84:
I just don't get it. The Iphone continues to be the same. Why pay more for the same thing over and over. Another thing I do not get about people is paying 200 dollers more for there Iphone because it has 32 gb of onboard storage. Thats what I love about Android. 16 gb internal and a 32 gb sd card for $199.00
[Off-topic] jayjayjoker2:
If apple claims htc stole something from them they may have but apple took the notifications center so they have no room to talk

sent from the worst network AT&T and the worst phone brand LG and a bad phone LG thril
[Off-topic] garychencool:
the whole patent and legal system is messed up
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
The law of supply and demand. The higher the value of an item, the higher the price. And iPhones have much higher quality construction than any Samsung or HTC phone. In fact, I don't know of any other phone hardware with the same quality as an iPhone. The antenna issue is shown to be common among phones even long before the latest Galaxy Nexus issue. Apple haters tried to make a big deal out of the antenna issue with the iPhone 4 and it was shown to be the problem with all phones because of the EM field differing from person to person. Google's very own Galaxy Nexus has weak signal issues as well.