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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Now that this is semi-official (I say "semi" because pulling a feature from a website isn't really a form of communication) what do you guys think?

- Did Asus know and think it wasn't that important or that it would function better than it is?

- That this might have been part of the reason initial launch was held up?

- I know it "should" work but how important is to you guys really?

- Do you think people will buy it anyway knowing GPS is pretty much turbo Wi-Fi geo-location?

- Do you think they'll come forward with some type of announcement and make-good for previous purchasers? I ask this one because they weren't too good at communication with the launch delay.

I'm not trying to start a slug-fest, just curious what people's thoughts are.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Godswrath:
I think the only reason I'd personally find the GPS useful is if my tablet got stolen, in which case the Prime's crappy GPS would still suffice for the Lookout App, right? I won't be canceling my Amazon order because of the GPS issue, regardless.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] faxmonkey:
At the very least ASUS should send us all a map of the US (in PDF) and initiate a free bumper case program.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smashingblue:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to be returning mine, unless ASUS publicly states what is going on and what they are going to do to rectify the situation.

I've already been without a tablet for a little over a month now, so waiting a bit more shouldn't be too difficult. Mine as well wait for the other Tegra 3 tablets coming out that feature a higher resolution screen. It will be sad to not have the dock, but perhaps at CES others will come out with docks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Haven't tried without an app, I don't think Android supports that. I always used an app called Bluetooth GPS

Works super good with it. You need to enable "Mock location" to use it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] don_cheadle:
Hopefully whoever's stealing your tablet stands very still outside on a very clear day so you can an appropriate lock on it. This is the major reason for me wanting GPS as well. I go to UC, so I'm quite aware of people having tablets & laptops "mysteriously" walking off during lecture. I would feel stupid getting such an expensive toy just to have it wind up stolen.

If we were talking PC parts or laptops I could interject an opinion, but this is uncharted territory for ASUS. This could go any which way. Clearly the people in charge over at ASUS's tablet department have no relation to their PC parts & laptop departments. This whole fiasco has been handled so uncharacteristically bad it's shameful. Expect the worst.

It might be handled in a respectable considerate manner, but considering ASUS has no defined track record as a tablet manaf. don't expect them to be as diligent and thoughtful as they are at pumping out motherboards. TBH, if they stuck with their business model of their PC parts end, this GPS problem would've never happened... that and they would've packaged the thing with 2gb ddr3 ram, and not 1gb ddr2. ;\
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
It's not a huge issue for me, kinda sad but I won't return my Prime for this.

I am not sure about what ASUS wants to do... It's kinda

really

strange to act like this...

We still have a chance all this is caused by a huge software fail, maybe they'll add the GPS feature after the ICS update again, who knows... :/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ducktaperules:
- Did Asus know and think it wasn't that important or that it would function better than it is?

asus must have known but were probably hoping it wouldn't cause to much of an issue.

- That this might have been part of the reason initial launch was held up?

probbabley as there was alot of roumers about issues from the back before launch.

- I know it "should" work but how important is to you guys really?

was hopeing to use it in car as gps to replace my nexus one however its not realy the end of the world if i cant.

- Do you think people will buy it anyway knowing GPS is pretty much turbo Wi-Fi geo-location?

yes because many people only care that its tegra 3. they would buy it regardless of anything else.

- Do you think they'll come forward with some type of announcement and make-good for previous purchasers?

i think they are going to have to make an announcement soon however i don't think they will do anything to make good other than offer an ota update. they definitely cannot afford to recall or give people free docks. I think unfortunately people will just have to live with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BixBix78:
They knew they kept it quiet in order to pre sell xxx primes. If Asus delayed release again and redesigned they may have not been the first teg 3 tablet on the market. How much would that have cost them? I will hold my preorder in hopes that Asus does the right thing. They will not, and I will cancel preorder and never buy another asus product again. I don't really dig endorsing a company that willfully scams its customers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] don_cheadle:
And this is why they should be worried. ASUS is a stellar PC parts & laptop manaf.

If they let the handling of this tablet get out of hand it's going to affect the reputation of their much more well-managed departments.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
It may be the same BUT is it not light in options. Don't other devices have 2-3 and not 1 listing
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
actually gps on my tp works fine. its just not as precise as garmin. went outside my house and locked in satellites from gps status app, then came back inside and downloaded offline map cache from google maps. took my tp out for a drive, and it showed me where i was driving accurately enough. it did lose fix sometimes, but it was also able to reconnect.

i will not depend upon my tp for navigation, as i have a garmin with good battery. but tp can be used in case required.

i am sure other devices that use wifi or cell signals will be more accurate. but gps does work on my tp.

please note first fix can take 20mins and should be done outdoors (open area)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
But, can you stay locked in a car while moving?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] silverwings2008:
Could you do me a favour and install fasterfix from the market and tell me what it says in the server field. Thanks
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
how can he, the app says it requires root
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ducktaperules:
if the gps is so reliant on having other position data to assist then wouldn't having 3G connection solve the problem? asus must have known about the issues with the back before release so it makes you wonder if the metal back is also the reason that there is no 3G version.

maybe they had similar problems with 3g signal through the metal back? makes allot of sense really when you think about it.

i wonder if using a 3g dongle with the prime would make the gps better? some one should try this?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
yes. it locked when i was driving. i had kept tp on the passenger seat all the time when driving. i had also been running gps status in background.

i missed mentioning that it took me 10mins to get a fix first time... since then it works within seconds.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
I think no 3G is because they realize very few people want 2 data plans with their cell provider. I sure as hell dont and wouldn't.

But 20 pages ago I said it was odd, that if this was AGPS and so reliant on WiFi, what is the point of an AGPS chip in a device that cant get any WiFi the moment you leave home and get in the car. Really, what purpose does GPS then fulfill? Who wants to even really use GPS in places they can get WiFi like Starbucks or Barnes and Noble. What;s the point.

They screwed the pouch on this one. I bought into this wanting GPS - and their claim it did have such - not a reliant AGPS like my old Droid. But, in the case of my old Droid, I always have 3G so no real big deal with reliant AGPS. In the case of the Prime, your f***** and it's worthless as is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
dont have root access... and dont want to root either till i get ics.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] silverwings2008:
You don't need to root to install the app. You only need root to change the server which I'm not asking you to do. Simply install the app, open it and tell me the ntp server it is connected too. Close app and then uninstall. No root required!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TalynOne:
The status of 64gb Prime shipment from Amazon was Jan 25th-30th, but all of sudden this morning I got notification it was shipped and arrives today. It's in my hands now. First time I logged into market I got a firmware update notification, I ran it and then ran google maps, got a instant lock (within 20m). My Wifi is on, will test more later.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
As was said many times that kind of information means nothing. Why? Because:

1) It could be lock from router location (WiFi, not GPS),

2) Even if you get lock many people report that they lost it when moving the device (so couldn't use as car navigation).

In the thread I linked somewhere before it was mentioned that such behaviour can be caused by (software) problem with timers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
The app description says root.. so, it was fair to think one needs root to install

Anyway, I installed it - and I have been able to get good results with my GPS as you can read earlier in both in and outdoor tests off cold boot - and mine says "Current Server:TextView" without root, you can get no other info. There are no settings. Just what is on the main screen.

What does your say if you think it matters?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] silverwings2008:
Mine says the same, but mine is not working! I was kind of hoping yours had a ntp server address.

Thanks for looking. It would be nice to get to the bottom of the problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] smrsxn:
says textview.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kennyog:
found this

Cant post link because im too new a member, but found this on android forum.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aldrouin:
So I have been told that my test wasn't valid because it was done inside a house in the window. So I wen't out in the cold at night and made another video of the transformer prime against my wife's LG Optimus One.

You can see I am *not* getting any experience at making short youtube clips, but yeah, I'm just trying to share my experience.

Here we go :

[YOUTUBE]1PCg3zZbKzQ[/YOUTUBE]

I guess I should plan things a little bit more. But for now that works.

What do you guys think ??

*edit* : And yeah I'm stumbling every two words, it's quite cold over here and I didn't think that through. It's weird when you annoy yourself over a youtube video... Sorry about that guys.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tylermaciaszek:
good video thanks but how does yours boot up so fast mine is like 2 minutes
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aldrouin:
There is nothing on it right now, just did a wipe today again. There is no other app than what comes with the device and GPS test, no micro-sdhc card, every wireless functionality was turned off except for GPS.

I just did a test for the GPS, nothing more. I'm not ready to start using it fully since I'm either sending it back to tigerdirect or sending it to asus (if they man up and tell us they are going to fix their mistake).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdp252:
Strange observation

Guys I just noticed something strange. Isn't correct time down to the micro-second required for proper GPS functionality? My Windows desktop is configured to update it's time from, "time-a.nist.gov". I watched the clock and noticed that the tablet rolled over it's minutes about 2 seconds before my desktop.

If both devices were properly updating time I would have expected to see the time change occur simultaneously.

Could it be that this entire issue is because the tablet is not correctly updating time from an atomic source? (I have the prime setup to do so)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aldrouin:
It would seem this is a non-issue as there is an auto-correction protocol implemented in consumer market chips : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS . Search for : Correcting a GPS receiver's clock
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] malice95:
So I just got my replacement ATP. Before I took the first one I got back to

Best buy I shot a comparison video for the GPS. The Second one I got has a

working GPS. Its not as strong as it should be but its working. The first one..

nothing.

Both on my car hood in my driveway on a clear night with full view of the sky.

It took about 1 minute for the one with a working gps to get any signal. The

signal strenth seemed to fluctuate a lot.

[YOUTUBE]eeXQoXxJwGk[/YOUTUBE]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ducktaperules:
very interesting.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] aldrouin:
Were you able to keep a lock while driving/moving? That would be an upgrade!

Thx malice95.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] unknown_owner:
Several sites have picked up the cause. Goggle "Asus prime GPS". I think Asus execs will be meeting over the weekend to find out why they weren't informed there was a potential problem.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/30/2671493/asus-transformer-prime-slow-gps-update

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
To those who clicked "yes", did you guys test the GPS while driving?

I can't find any feedback, comment, or evidence of GPS working while it is being driven around.

If so, could one guess/hypothesize that at least 90% of the Prime that is currently in the hands of the consumers are faulty/broken?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
It would appear that we need the option to change our vote in the poll, as some thought it was working, but later found it couldn't keep a fix.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jatkins09:
The one I got from BB works like your new one. Took about a minute, but I get 9 or so satellites with accuracy fluctuating between 30 and 75 ft.

edit: Going for a drive now. I'll report my results.

I was able to keep a lock on at least 5 satellites only if the tab was on my dash. Taking it off the dash pretty much killed the lock instantly. There was a huge gap in my mytracks during the period I had it in my lap. My area has a lot of oak tree cover, so not sure how that affected it when it was off of the dash.

If there's any consolation, this is about as well as my Captivate gps worked out of the box, and my Cappy's has certainly gotten a lot better since then. Also, if you drive a convertible, you're all set.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] agtitan:
mine doesn't work either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Not a fan of this article or the author...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...orly-without-wi-fi-massive-xda-thread-ensues/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Scumbag Inc.:
I didn't vote but:

Does my GPS work? Yes

Does it work well? No

Here in a few minutes I will be headed to the store for cigarettes. I will take it along with me and report back. Unfortunately I think we know what that report will be.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jatkins09:
My gps worked while driving. I can post my mytracks if you want proof. Only worked on the dash though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Do we have any Chinese speaking members in this thread? Any chance you can search through popular Taiwanese tech forums about Transformer Prime GPS performance? Asus didn't make a comment on wifi until western media got a hold of review units being faulty. I'm wondering if Asus knew about the GPS issue before the state release & if they did... it really makes me question why they did not bother to fix the issue at the same time as the wifi if both are caused by aluminium cover as many are predicting (and stated by Asus engineering rep).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Scumbag Inc.:
The same. Tracked on the dash not in the passenger seat. Weak as f**k signal.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jmt230:
Have all of you that don't have GPS working tried getting a lock with the wifi on? Also, did you allow google's location service thing or disable it?

I thought my GPS wasn't working, but once I did both of those things it started working fine. I get between 45 and 500 ft accuracy depending on the amount of satellites and the signal strength. That's about what my phone gets, but I tend to use my dedicated GPS for navigation so it doesn't really matter much.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] timsmooth:
Tf101 and SGS2E4GT

Both of these devices have poor GPS TF101 and GS2E4gT to the point where they never get a lock. I have NEVER gotten a lock out of my TF101 and I doubt I ever will. My EVo, 3vo, photon and other devices get a lock in seconds.

Just like sammy never gets GPS right I was not holding my breath about Asus. Glad to know. I will skip this upgrade. Im glad people are starting to get mad about these companies releasing faulty GPS in these Mega PHONES/Tabs. The housing on the Asus TF101 is not metal whats the excuse on that one?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nxp3:
You just got a bad transformer that's all. Mine worked real well. My prime on the other hand sucks, I can stand outsid on a clear day and it still can't find satellites or for short times only and then lose it's connection, very erratic, seldom a fix.

---------- Post added at 12:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:43 AM ----------

Why not, seems like the same thing we've been complaining about. What problem do you have with the article and author?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hickish:
Sitting in my 2nd floor.bedroom, tablet sitting upright.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] denglili:
I did a quick look at:

http://www.mobile01.com/topiclist.php?f=605

Ppl are also complaining about GPS problem, and ASUS also changed TF201 spec on Taiwan website. They are as pissed off as we are.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
There was an information that they are delaying the shipping because of the WiFi problem but in the same day they said that there will be no delay - I think they knew about the issues but wanted to ship it as fast as posibble and deal with the problem later (thinking maybe - who uses GPS on such device - well, a lot of people actually, but they probably didn't thought of that).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] 7Bit:
Just tested with a brandnew 64GB Transformer Prime, got instant (<1sec) lock with Wifi enabled indoors.

Restarted with wifi disabled and voila: No GPS lock, even after waiting 5min. :mad:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Reggius:
I'm really a newbie here, but I can tell that GPS still stay on the specs for Eee Pad in .asus.no (Norwegian) - I've taken a screenshot of it!

I'm buying this Asus when it comes to Norway, it has already been delayed - hopes it comes in en January :) - I realy don't need GPS!!

I hope this is a good pad!

MVH Reggius
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diodato:
It really is. I was happy with my TF101, the only thing it was missing was decent support for hardware video acceleration. I, as well, am not that interested in GPS.

But strangely nobody here in the forums talks about the compass. At least mine is quite inaccurate, unstable. One can clearly see how poorly it performs in Google Sky Map. Panning around with the pad gives very jerky performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ciddy:
Wifi usually has location info from the IP/provider. Nothing to do with GPS. It's a location lock, not a GPS fix.

Thanks for this thread, I wasn't even aware of the issue. My TP has been sitting by the window for 10 minutes now and GPS status hasn't been able to register a single satellite, where my SGS 2 had a fix in about 1 minute (behind the window glass).

After like the first ten minutes I noticed the GPS notification was not blinking; so I cycled GPS via the settings menu, and it started blinking.

Still nothing.

This seems to be an issue as it stops blinking even when switching from Maps to Navigation, and does not seem to properly start searching even when starting up Maps.

So I opened the window (it's drizzling here atm) and held the TP outside to see if there was a change. Well, there was, it actually managed to get a fix - took it 56s and switched around between fixed satellites A LOT (it was actually loosing the fix every few seconds). Seems to have either a high fix threshold or really poor reception. I'm afraid it's the second, as signal intensity seemed to drop the moment the tablet was lifted out of horizontal orientation.

Compared with this, the SGS 2 that had a fix within 7s and much higher accuracy, holding on to more satellites for longer.

I set GPS status to no filtering of the GPS signal, that might have something to do with the fast switches of satellites, too, but it's not a good sign.

I also second the poor performance of the compass. Wonder if the gyro is actually being used, as this should give way more accurate orientation readings than the pad displays.

Tablet is on newest firmware. This sucks big time, and is going to be a dealbreaker for me if unable to be fixed. My fears of this becoming another screwed up Tegra/Android hero tablet launch are becoming more and more true by the day. It just looks like Asus never really tested the device (and judging from the reports on the origami cover, neither the accessories).

They better get ICS out the door yesterday which hopefully includes fixes for all those shortcomings. If not, this thing will go back. Way to screw up a product launch, Asus.

[Edited to add]

Just took a drive to a local store and had a crosscheck using my Galaxy S2 (I'm in Germany). ABYSMAL.

Using GPS Test, these are the signal intensity results, both devices next to each other (highest-lowest intensity):

Galaxy S2: 41-26

TP: 21-11

This was in my car on the dashboard (windshield is un-coated) with clear view to a cloudy sky. aGPS was provided to both devices (thanks to the mobile hotspot on the SGS2), and Wifi was on on the TP.

The fix of the TP while driving was on and off to such an extent that it was UNUSABLE for navigation. This deems a verdict of GPS UNUSABLE from me. I have contacted Asus Support about it.

Apps used: GPS Test, GPS Status, Google Maps and Navigation
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fingery:
What app are you chaps using to check your GPS status?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, article in itself is okay. However, some of his replies are based on assumptions that I dislike.

1. Asus did market & advertise GPS. Heck, Asus released their own marketing video where the Blonde girl (from their global website) uses GPS functionality to find a location for dark hair Chefs restaurant (from their global website).

2. Based on his argument, Asus did not have to fix or acknowledge the WIFI issue since it is inside the device, and was partially working.

3. His assumption that those who are complaining about GPS bought Prime for Tegra 3. It's true, many did & were drawn to purchase Prime for Tegra 3 but many others like myself also bought/pre-ordered Prime for the dock & based on heavy research. If it was just for Tegra 3... with CES just around the corner & leaked info of Acer/Lenovo/Samsung's next gen. tablet before Prime's release... I have to assume that many would have waited for those tablets instead if it was purely for Tegra 3.

4. Some do not own a smartphone (some dislike paying extra for data plan), or own a navigation device. Unlocked smartphones cost $300+ (unless you purchase used) and navigation devices cost between $50 (refurbished) to $300+

. Tablets such as Prime is the perfect medium & combines the functionality of BOTH....

5. Let a company slide because the issue is very minor? This argument/statement bothers me the most.....