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[Optimus 7 General] srydve:
HI!

Trying to decide which phone to get, narrowed between the optimus 7 and the motorola defy. The motorola has earpiece problems, and the one I was leaning to the optimus 7 has shut off problems. I'm a phone in the pocket kind of guy and don't want problems, how many of you are having no problems vs those that have them? Would you buy this phone again? Any other issues I should be aware of? I mainly want it for a phone 1st, though I would be interested in mp3 comments. All comments appreciated, thanks for your time. Dave
[Optimus 7 General] Sanzo0:
I personally would go for some other WP7 device. The only problem I have with the Optimus 7 is that it randomly shuts down.
[Optimus 7 General] sonus:
Just for the record, I have never seen my optimus 7 randomly shutdown. So it may be an isolated issue.

Edit: I wanted to add that I would choose a WP7 device over just about any Android device 100% of the time.
[Optimus 7 General] florinus:
i love my optimus 7. great phone. and never shuts down randomly. only when batery is 0%. :)
[Optimus 7 General] Etaduck:
Absolutly,

I have a nook color that I put CM7 on, and while I enjoy it and use it every and have had it for a lot longer than my phone, I find myself trying to do things that I can do on my phone that just don't .... I don't know how to say it other than just doesn't work right.

Even in the browser, I still like the stock IE over the Dolphin HD on my nook.

The only thing I might change in my next phone is to get the Titan, I would like a bigger screen (personal preferance), but the LG has been great so far. Really like the fact that it has gorillia glass and I don't need a screen protector and that it holds together and looks brand new even though I drop it all the darn time.
[Optimus 7 General] eisbaer82:
Never happened to me. My phone rebooted itself some time, but thats gone with mango
[Optimus 7 General] XxAndrexX:
optimus 7 is average phone. its heavy, non standard-size (you won't find any cover that fits), those analogic buttons I don't like, and no standard internal-SD.

on the good side it has gorilla glass, 16GB.

I think, its faster than an HTC trophy and the metro interface runs much smoother.

I won't buy a WP7 any more, I only bought it because it was very cheap, 200€ instead of 450€
[Optimus 7 General] mickfarr:
Yip, never had any problems with mine. I bought 2 for my parents for christmas presents! :D
[Optimus 7 General] sonus:
I agree that the phone is average, by smartphone spec standards, but like you said its faster than many comparable devices, and WP7 makes it just about faster than any Android device. Heavy - yes. As to the SD storage, swamping cards is not truly supported by WP7. I understand the analog buttons are a personal preference, but I like not having to worry about accidental key touches and swipes taking me out of an application with sensitive capacitive buttons.
[Optimus 7 General] XxAndrexX:
I forgot to say that the Optimus 7 speaker has one of the worst speakers I ever faced in a mobile phone...
[Optimus 7 General] kharma45:
For the price I paid (£120) I guess I would.

Only real negatives are the visual quality of the screen, camera isn't up to much and speaker is kinda crap.
[Optimus 7 General] mrTablet:
Windows Phone yes, LG no.
[Optimus 7 General] volmar:
In Italy is sold for 149€... I paid 250 but i have no regrets. The only cons for me is the battery, a little bit under the others wp7.

In a year i have saw only three or four random resets. Not a huge problem if you know the boot time: 20 secs.
[Optimus 7 General] yslee:
16GB memory, very nice physical buttons, with the possiblity that there is a Wolfson inside it (Wolfson has a deal with LG to supply audio codec processors for the Optimus phones, not sure if the Optimus 7 has it). Plenty to like about it.
[Optimus 7 General] srydve:
Thanks to everyone who replied, the feedback is much appreciated. I am now leaning towards the defy, mainly 'cause I think it's size and weight will make it a better pocket phone. Thanks again, Dave
[Optimus 7 General] elektryk:
If this discussion is still open, I would like to add my voice.

Personally I would never buy this phone again.

WP7 is good looking OS, but has many disadvantages now. It is very new and does not have many functions as typical smartphone have, like full bluetooth support.

LG phone has nice design, but have also some issues, like battery life time.
[Optimus 7 General] sonus:
Only Windows Mobile, MAMEMO and maybe Symbian have full Bluetooth stacks unfortunately. It seems full Bluetooth never really made it into the modern smartphone OS's. That being said I am sure that the flexibility of Android allows for additions to the stack, but they still don't support all the protocols that smartphones of the past had.
[Optimus 7 General] Ineedtoys:
I quite like the LG as it holds its own against many of the v1 WP7 phones, and has better storage and battery life than many. I prefer the real buttons too, and no probably with the screen apart from it being too bright to read in bed. You can get Gel covers for it which make it a nice sturdy phone for taking out and about thats capable of taking a knock or two. And the low 2nd hand price because it isn't shiny-shiny enough for the fashionistas or phone thieves means its great value for money. The Jil Sanders version with a slightly tweaked case (more plastic but less weight, USB flap easier to open, less garish camera surround) is currently being sold off half price at Expansys so continues that value theme.
[Optimus 7 General] stead:
Just wanted to add in, i'm a long time windows 6/6.1 user, and i'd buy another of these in a heartbeat.

infact I was tempted to buy that Jill Sanders version for my g/f, was on offer for £149 delivered but i forget what site.

I don't get the negative issues, Initially I wasn't too impressed but after 2 weeks i'd never go back to winmo 6.1, I personally dislike andriod, to slow and clumsy feeling for me. iOS just doesn't make sense to me either.

For those who say the camera is bad, its a phone, the outdoor shots i've taken are pretty amazing, the inside not so great, which is true of all digital cameras i've ever used, and the fact its got a flash that can be used like a torch as its not a xeon is a big plus for me.

Compared to a friends HTC Mozart (which cost twice the price) to me the Pro's of the the LG phone, longer battery life, nicer physical size, physical buttons (I know its user preference, but after 3 months his buttons have stopped responding, personally i've always had trouble at some point with touch buttons, but thats me being picky!) 16gb, seriously, do you need more than 16gb on a phone? this was the real seller for me, I have 10gb free space with quite a few apps including the 2gb+ navigon satnav.

Sure you can't upgrade the storage, but compared to most which have 8gb i'd say its pretty fair.

I'm also loving the wifi internet sharing, coming from previous winmo devices i've always found the connection just drops out randomly, but with this stays rock solid for hours. (not internet in work other than phone!)

My biggest issue with the phone is the battery, it seems no matter what features you turn off it seems to last the same with the features turned on, i'm not sure if this is a wp7 issue or a handset issue
[Optimus 7 General] derekcrocker:
WP7 for Sure

I would stick with WP7 for sure... I would even buy the LG E900h again compared to the options here in Canada. Samsung Focus, LG Optimus 7, HTC Surround
[Optimus 7 General] Camazza:
I would. I sold my Omnia 7 to get the Optimus, seems like a step back but think about it: fits better in my hand, LCD may have worse contrast but has crisper text and much more natural colors. Camera is WAY better, more powerful flash and does not go randomly full blast like the Omnia (ruining the photo). Also its bigger sensor works better in low light conditions. Has double the memory (16gb vs 8gb). Better build quality. The only thing i regret is the loudspeaker, much softer and distorts like hell at high volumes.

I don't know why the reviewers called the camera "average" for a 5mpx unit, maybe the firmware updates (i'm running 8107, FW is 1.0.16.10) addressed some things.

Also, i like the physical buttons, on the Omnia they were sometimes unresponsive.

Oh... and LG is always the first to update!
[Optimus 7 General] curtido:
I buy this phone about 3 weeks and I like it, but the camera are bad (very bad compared with omnia 7 and iphone 4 that I had got) and the screen that makes me a lot of printing the scroll as reported here (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1432025) it has already had an iphone 4 and an Omnia 7 annoys me greatly: D because it seems that the phone has lag
[Optimus 7 General] Mark_QS:
Don't know if I'd buy it again - probably not. It doesn't mean that it's not a good phone ;)

+:

* cheap

* 16GB

* works smoothly

-:

* screen (everything is pale)

* easy to scratch plasitc

Great as developer phone, no need to have alu\steel etc.
[Optimus 7 General] derekcrocker:
I had earlier stated I would buy it again.... However, now that Nokia is coming to Canada with 710 & 800. I will probably pick up one of them. However, still think the LG Optimus 7 is a solid phone.
[Optimus 7 General] mattresso:
Not in a month of Sundays.
[Optimus 7 General] shtresatu:
I hate camera so said HD. But, if I put in balance this issue with the smoothness of OS, beauty of look and the future of the OS (that I supose to happen pretty soon), I think that I would
[Optimus 7 General] Saenchai:
I would buy it again, it was only 160 Euro here in germany, i had, thank god, never had problems till now. I think this phone has easy the best price/function rating ever.

Its just that Windows 7 lacks in famous apps (dropbox for example)..
[Optimus 7 General] The Land of Smeg:
I have a Motorola Defy and an Optimus 7 (interesting coincidence that I have the same two as you) and I would go with the Defy. Earpiece problem is easily resolved by sending it into Motorola for repair and they will replace the board with a non-speakerphone affected board on request, or you could get a Defy+ which is not affected at all.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Always_Jonezen:
I tried it out on CM7 ICS mod and everything seems to scroll pretty smooth
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
So do you feel real difference?

I felt more smooth but I'm not sure about that.

(Like placebo effect hehe :))
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Always_Jonezen:
I will test out more tomorrow and let you know
[Atrix 4G Android Development] coolnow:
Will test this later on when i flash CM7, but could this fix the laggy homescreen problem our device seems to have? Every time i slide to unlock, the animation is laggy, but if i slide halfway and let go, the next time i slide to unlock, it's suddenly smooth (like you had to cycle through the animation once to get it smooth).
[Atrix 4G Android Development] BravoMotorola:
Good research! Looking nice;)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Notorious544d:
Hmm... when I try this, some things get slower like scrolling feels a (very) tiny bit 'rougher' than before.

But apart from that, the music app seems to be smooth.

This might need a further looking into because I have also noticed certain places where scrolling lags and it's quite frustrating.

I don't think you should TOTALLY disable the scrolling cache, I think you should decrease it and experiment at which value gives the best balance. Can't you take the value from MIUI?

But good start!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Thanks for testing. You are feeling same as me.

And I made another one and linked it at main post.

Will you please test once more?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Always_Jonezen:
OK so after trying V1 out for a little while things seem to feel smoother except right after a reboot everything seems to lag but after about 5mins. when the phone is done with all its start up processes its fine I will try out V2 in a few mins.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Notorious544d:
YOU ARE A GENIUS!!!!!!!

There is NO lag AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

Everything is BUTTERY smooth and what's better is that it seems to have solved the 'low quality overscroll issue' on my ROM!!

This will DEFINITELY be integrated into my ROM. VERY good work man and try to find more hidden tweaks in that framework.jar because the two tweaks you HAVE found are just amazing!!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Ok I'm done with this today.

(It's 1:26am here duh.. I'm so sleepy...)

Please feel free to test guys.

And Notorious544d , thanks for testing again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] blackalice:
This REALLY works :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] JuanDaDon86:
I need help
[Atrix 4G Android Development] IUH1991:
What are the proper permissions?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] coolnow:
OWNER: Read and Write

Group: Only Read

Others: Only Read

the rest are blank
[Atrix 4G Android Development] guitarded068:
Thanks for your work AndroidON. Just tried the second version on Neutrino GT, though I don't see much of a difference. I may not be using the apps this is helpful for. The only app where scrolling is a trainwreck for me is PowerAmp. The damn UI looks nice but it kills scrolling in list views. Since installation, I have to say that scrolling is more consistently choppy as opposed to variably choppy, but that may just be the OC'd kernel. For all apps I consider choppy, including PowerAmp, scrolling always achieves my standard for "butter" when in landscape view, even without OCing. Do you see this kind of performance improvement with your fix for your apps in portrait view?

Haven't noticed any other major improvements. I never had a problem with the quality of overscrolling on Neutrino which Notorious claims to have been fixed with your mod. Your effort and research skill is still very much appreciated!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
I installed Poweramp and scrolled through list.

And...I see portrait scrolling is 'little' slower than landscape scrolling.

Did you have same problem in other roms like MIUI?

If so, I think it is the limit of speed for 2d performance.

I am not sure about that, but I don't see any problems through logcat.

Sorry for not giving you help.

PS. I think it will be OK when we get complete hw accelerated ICS.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] topil:
Hello, i tried using spb shell launcher and make choppy the change between screens
[Atrix 4G Android Development] slojko:
would you mind telling me the correct permissions? i pushed the .jar using ADB
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
This will not affect on 3d things.

And spb launcher use lots of 3d things.

So this will not help spb launcher.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] guitarded068:
Alright, so after going back to the original framework and comparing scrolling smoothness in PowerAmp to your modified framework, I can confidently conclude that your mod does in fact help...a lot! I guess I expected too much on the first go. Even with OC, scrolling in UI-heavy apps like PowerAmp without this mod are laughable and barely usable. You're right, the smoothness in portrait is only slightly choppier than landscape, and I can live with that until hw acceleration and other code optimizations in ICS. I can't believe how poorly this is implemented in Android, even in CM7. It's not even worth pushing my phone's hardware with OCing and undervolting if the real problem is in the software. In this way and more, the Android OS needs to get its sh*t together for little things like this that culminate the user experience. But I have faith in guys like you that constantly find ways to improve it, and that's always fun. Thanks again.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
I'm not familiar with adb command.. sorry for that,

but you can read this one:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1401616

Do the same way as this.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] slojko:
you say in the other thread that you can use ADB push, after i pushed it i just set the permissions in Rexplorer
[Atrix 4G Android Development] plasticglock:
This is very interesting. I love to see progress like this on our device. I hate laggy interfaces. ADW runs like crap on my phone and I have always wondered why. For some reason launcherpro is very fast and almost completely smooth. ADW is completely smooth on my wife's captivate. I wish I knew enough about it to help you guys.

Bacon!!! (tapatalk)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Free ADW launcer works bad on atrix.

I'm using ADW EX launcher, which works really good on atrix.

I don't know why is it making so many GC works

even though I disabled scrollingcache.

Anyway, Go launcher and ADW EX launcher will work good.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Maibol:
thanks mate the mod really works

Android ON you can use the how to in the OP, i don't have any problem with that mate thanks for the mod.

mini how to for the newbs

its really easy with root explorer

1.download and rename the file to "framework.jar" and put the file anywhere in your device.

2.open root explorer or any similar app you would like to access the the needed folder in this case " root then system then framework" thats what root/system/framework means. "make sure that in the top of root explorer interface say "mounted as r/o".

3.long press the "framework.jar" and a pop up appear "scroll and press permissions". now you can see what permissions the file has, to put this same on the new one.

4.find the new "framework.jar" we download and rename like that with root explorer. then long press and copy or move the file to the root/system/framework folder. the same we use in the step 2, and copy or move the file here." note a pop up appear asking if you want to merge the file and answer yes ".

5.now that we have the file in the correct folder we need to change the permissions, long pressing the file "framework.jar" when the pop up appear, select permissions and it will should pop up the permissions this file has, now just change the permissions for those we collect from the old file.

and thats pretty much it just need to reboot and enjoy the smooth scrolling

for those that don't remember the permissions this is how you have to got yours
[Atrix 4G Android Development] MiZrY:
Just remember to NOT unmount before you reboot.... my dumbass unmounted the folder after all was done then rebooted...... don't do that! lol :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jjwatmyself:
Remember to set the owner on the file. Reason is because 644 (rw-r--r--) is evaluated based on the owner context, which should be root:root. Ie (user) owner=root, group (owner) =root. In root explorer, long press press and scroll down... You'll see change owner. Ta da! Not a big deal, but it is the completed set permissions method.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Maibol:
thank you guys for the advice and help
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Notorious544d:
100 steps volume?!? WOW :eek:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
I kept promise with you man. hehe :D
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jjwatmyself:
Are you talking about the ADW launcher EX scrolling cache setting under system preferences? I'm set to the default. Anyway, this may explain why it performs better than ADW launcher (free). I can also confirm that Launcher Pro has solid performance so it appears that some app developers are incorporating scrolling cache tweaks into their code and others may not. I'm going to guess that, if a rom doesn't have scrolling cache optimized, like cm7, that's when we see this laggy behavior in apps.

I think that Atrix ROM developers are going to love this thread!

Going to test the new 100 volume version now! :beer:

EDIT3: I tested cm7 weekly dec 10 100 volume and there are 15 volume levels for ringtone and 100 for music.

EDIT 2: I tested file #2 from the original post. It has 7 volume levels for ringtone and 15 levels for music.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Did you checked volume while you playing something?

I changed media volume to 30 or 100, which will be used for music or movie.

Others will be 15 steps like bell volume or call volume.

And...I saw some app developers are recommending scrollingcache to be disabled in app internal config.

But not all app devs are disabling that so some apps are struggle with scrollingcache problem.

I disabled scrolling cache in OS level. So all apps will have no problem with it.

(If scroll is still not really fast, it would be the limit of performance)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jjwatmyself:
Retested volume levels and all is good. Post updated. :) The two mods combined is a great combination. Many thanks!
[Atrix 4G Android Development] slojko:
am i the only one that feels like more than 15 volume steps is kind of annoying?
[Atrix 4G Android Development] jjwatmyself:
That's why you get to choose what to download. Lol. Anyway, I was thinking the same but when you try it you think otherwise. It's more of a press and hold type deal like you would on your home stereo remote. Kind of cool I think.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Obartuckc:
Anyone try any of these with Dorian's ROM? If not, could the OP please make one compatible with it? Thanks ENDLESSLY for these, and for whipping them up so close to Christmas. I truly appreciate your hard work. =)

~ Sent from My Unlocked, Rooted, Faux 1.45 gHz, Dorian's Red Pill Hybrid CM7 ROM-ed Atrix 4G ~
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Wait a sec. I `ll add it to the post.

Download is kinda slow....

EDIT - Ok. I added files. Enjoy! :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Obartuckc:
You're MFing awesome!! Thanks again!

~ Sent from My Unlocked, Rooted, Faux 1.45 gHz, Dorian's Red Pill Hybrid CM7 ROM-ed Atrix 4G ~
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Just tell me what effect you have got after using this. :rolleyes:
[Atrix 4G Android Development] toe451:
can you make 1 for homebase blue chronic.....thanks.. Happy Holidays...
[Atrix 4G Android Development] coolnow:
Just want to let you guys know that the Darkside 30 volume step framework.jar makes the system unbootable. Trying the 100 step to see if it boots.

EDIT: 100 step works, the size is closer to default framework.jar size whereas my previous 30 step was like 2mb.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Obartuckc:
Volume mod is def working well, n the scrolling seems smoother, but I'll test it a bit more. No FC's or anything. Thanks yet again!

:edit: definitely seems to be scrolling more smoothly in playlists and photo album apps.

~ Sent from My Unlocked, Rooted, Faux 1.45 gHz, Dorian's Red Pill Hybrid CM7 ROM-ed Atrix 4G ~
[Atrix 4G Android Development] zootzoot:
Hi

Would it be possible if you could make a file for ligux v3.2 rom please.
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Azurael:
The free ADW runs like rubbish on the Desire too, while Launcherpro is smooth on both devices. I just assumed it was rubbish - I'm not exactly going to go paying for a piece of software on the offchance it fixes a problem :P
[Atrix 4G Android Development] Vicious Von:
can you make one for LiGux Optimized CM7.2 please
[Atrix 4G Android Development] v.k:
AndroidON, I think you should post how to do it youself using smali or something else. There are too many ROMs for Atrix :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dimako83:
does it also makes graphical(like facebook, news, etc... ) applications scroll faster or just list based scrolling like contacts,song list and so on would be faster?

Thanks
[Atrix 4G Android Development] AndroidON:
Will post it. :)

I don't understand exactly what you mean by 'graphical'.

If it had problem with scrollingcache, it will be better.

So you can try if you want to know.

EDIT - Facebook app had some improvement :)
[Atrix 4G Android Development] dimako83:
I mean application including pictures. usually its where I get problems because overall scrolling is much improved in Dorians rom.

Thanks! :)