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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
That's odd, I was just going to post that same thing about Google Maps, but this is with the new 8.8.3.33. I just went to pick the kid up from school, and I let the Prime sit in the car for 15 minutes before I left, still connected to my home WiFi. It got a fix with 7 sats (seeing 9). As I got farther from home it started losing them. It lost the fix quickly, but still seemed to see around 4 sats the whole way. When I got to his school, I enabled the hotspot on my phone. While I was sitting there, it got a fix again (not sure if it was the stationary time or the WiFi). I left it connected to the hotspot and drove away, and it seemed to keep a fix on 4-6 sats with an accuracy around 100 in GPS Test. At this point I switched over to Google Maps to see what it showed, and it still showed me at the school! So it was showing I had a fix while I was moving, but didn't show me correctly on the map.

Now there was one other odd thing. I was playing back and forth with GPS Essentials and GPS Test. On the trip over I was using GPS Essentials and on the way back GPS Test. However, when I got home I switched from GPS Test back to GPS Essentials. It took a minute or so to show a lock in GPS Essentials, but when it did Google Maps did finally update. Is there a difference between what the two programs are showing? It almost seems that GPS Essentials is more correctly corresponding to what Google Maps sees.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
Man I am pissed, that new update really hosed my GPS worse than it was.. I can no longer replicate the solid results I was getting prior to the update. F***
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
I have an hour and a half long train journey tomorrow so I'm going to use that to see how well my GPS can hold a lock while on the move. I usually use my Dell Streak 5 on this journey to keep track of my location (and it does so pretty well), so I'll have something to compare against tomorrow. While there's usually WiFi on board the train, I'll test without it.

If this works, I will be a very very happy man.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
It's funny, but just for kicks I pulled out my OG Transformer and tested it alongside the Prime. I couldn't get the Transformer to lock onto GPS at all, while the Prime did (slowly and with wifi on, but it locked). Then I tried my wife's Samsung GT 10.1, and it locked immediately and maintained lock with wifi off.

I don't remember ever using GPS with my Transformer, and so I can't verify that it ever worked. Does anyone else have a Transformer and can test GPS on it to see if maybe this isn't a general ASUS problem?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
While I don't have a TF101, one of my friends does and when I was talking to him about the GPS issues of the Prime he told me that the GPS on his TF101 was not that good either, and usually took about 5 minutes to get a lock when he was out and about.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
I think Jdbaker82s reasoning that he thought it was the aluminum backing made sense that regular Wi-Fi range was less with the Prime then other Wi-Fi devices which proves something is degrading the signals.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stelek:
I bought the original Transformer two days ago. I was waiting for Prime but this thread made me cancel my pre-order. I tested the GPS in my brand new Transformer TF101 today and it takes less than 10 seconds to get a lock (with pre-loaded aGPS data). The signal strength is not very good but it's locking to most of the visible satellites and does not lose the signal when moving... Of course I do not get any satellites when indoors but my Garmin 60CSx behaves exactly the same so it's OK in my opinion...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Latest update automatically turns on WIFI with GPS. It means, you are getting satellite lock with the help of WIFI at stationary location, or WIFI hotspot, or through tethered connection.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
That doesn't really make any sense. If you are getting a satellite lock it is from satellites, not from WiFi. GPS Test doesn't have anything to do with WiFi, and it was showing a lock, though the position wasn't updated in Google Maps.

There are two uses for WiFi in locating your device:

1) Download aGPS data. This just "initializes" the GPS receiver to know which satellites to look for. It still has to see and track the satellites to get a fix.

2) Locate you based on the access point you are connected to. If I understand this correctly it is based on Google's mapping of access points / MAC addresses. Doesn't really work tethered since it's moving.

-Matt
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
You need to turn off WIFI & switch to airplane mode. Once you do that, you need cold re-boot of Prime to test the GPS. However, with the latest update turning WIFI on automatically if GPS is turned on, WIFI helps with locating the satellite, find your location, and thus.. get a lock.

However, once you move away from WIFI, or WIFI hotspot.. you lose the help of WIFI (it means, latest update did not solve the GPS issue). Your GPS data will show stationary WIFI location, WIFI hotspot location, or tethered location.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ajamils:
Here is my GPS test while I was inside the house. It only took few seconds to get a fix with cold start. To me, GPS is working as good as my SkyRocket.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
What is with you people and GPS tests a real test is real world navigation not running GPS test apps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dabbill:
Why is everyone so insisted on GPS working with wifi turned off? Phones and tablets do not have a real GPS in them. They have aGPS meaning they still need a data connection to work properly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Well, Asus Global website finally deleted "GPS" from their specification.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
WRONG....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PJTOUCHHD:
LOL! I agree, does anyone here really know what they're on about? Looking at it in general you're all indoors trying to see satelites - probably holding your devices up in the air so the metal base is facing the window :D

Perhaps a lot of fuss about nothing really...?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] peare:
I'll tell you this. I was sitting at my office at the university when I got the update. Previously, even at the windows side I wasn't able to see a single sat. Now I was seeing 11 and 10 fixes in less than 3 minutes. Then I went out with no wifi or 3g and there were all the sat's. I am telling you the update fixed something. It shows we have a fully working GPS, but it needs to be fixed further, because Google maps is having difficulty in determining the position. OK, probably I've never tested Samsung gtab 10.1 without wifi or 3g, maybe it wasn't that different with GPS alone. On Google maps GPS updated my tracks even while I was walking through the parking lot, then my position while driving with some lag. I am quite optimistic and I gave up the idea of selling mine and wait for the next Samsung. I did not test only left channel audio through hdmi bug. I hope this flaw also will be fixed by Asus.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Wrong+ 2 guess you didn't read all 90 pages lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
I understand what you are saying, but GPS Test was showing me that it had a lock on the satellites, and not data from WiFi. It was showing that it could see the actual satellites (that's what each of the bars are for) and it showed that I had a satellite fix. I don't really care if it had used my hotspot to find its initial location and the satellites probable locations. That's fine. Once it sees the satellites and gets a fix it no longer needs WiFi to know where it is, and it should update the location based on that. It is not doing that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Anyone else take the update as a slap in the face and add insult to injury? This keeps getting more exciting by the day.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] don_cheadle:
Lol. Locked Boot loaders. ASUS removing features on the product sheet to avoid fixing them. Firmware updates that are bricking devices. Nonexistent quality control.

Yeah I'm no longer buying an ASUS Transformer Prime. I think I'd rather hold on to the $600-$700 that would inevitably be gobbled up on this horrid device.

Good luck to all of you that bought one though. Especially those that can't return it for a refund. Hopefully ASUS will someday deliver some real results.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
You still dont get it. Try to input an address and drive point A to point B using turn by turn directions it will not work. You did know that's what a GPS is used for right? GPS is not a game BTW it isn't to keep high score to see who can lock on the most satellite for how long I am sick of hearing the words satellite and lock when will you people get it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Yes, you are absolutely correct. Once you have a fix, you should have a fix.. and update the location based on that. But recent patch did not solve that issue...

We're all complaining because the GPS inside PRIME will not function to the way you are describing. The latest update is just adding more confusion & make it difficult to actually test the GPS.

Anyways, they removed GPS from their Global website. To the small minority who bought Prime based on previous listed specification (& wanted to use GPS functionality)... we're fighting a losing fight. Now, has anyone who bought Prime from Gamestop found ways to return Prime for full refund? I haven't been successful thus far... nor am I getting a response from Asus to receive a full refund.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] flight777:
It is still up there....: http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Ciddy:
Sorry to say, but you are mixing too many things together in your posts. GPS is a way of determining location based on satellite radio signals. There is a discussion here how and why the Transformer is failing at doing this in a satisfactory manner.

Then there is NAVIGATION (which many people just refer to as GPS colloquially), and as various experiences (including mine) have shown by now, even IF the TP is managing to acquire a proper location fix from the satellite radio signal, it seems in many cases unable to hand over that info to Google Maps and Navigation for them to make use of that existing localization to create a working navigation/turn by turn solution.

It is 2 separate problems, and mashing them up does not help anyone getting to the root of the problem (or getting root, but that is yet another problem...).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
I never said it worked for navigation! Actually, quite the opposite if you go back and look at my previous posts. But not working for navigation because it can't get a satellite fix is different than not working for navigation because the fix that the unit does have is not being given to the navigation software. You do understand, though, that there is nothing else magical about navigation compared to just showing your position on a map? Navigation simply uses your position.

The original post was responding to the person who said that Google Maps was not being updated even though gps showed a fix. I was saying that I see the same thing.

shinnz is trying to tell me that the fix I saw was only from WiFi, and that is incorrect. The tablet was seeing and tracking satellites as shown by multiple apps. If it is seeing and tracking satellites it is getting a position from the satellites, whether it is getting anything from WiFi or not.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
The bottom line is that you can't use the GPS on the Prime for what a GPS is meant to do that's all I am trying to say.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
I couldn't see hardly any satellites before the update. Now I can, and I get a fix. That fix is not being given to Google Maps though. On my Prime it seems that the patch didn't fix it, but it may have fixed part of it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://eee.asus.com/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/

They finally took it off from that website today (which was linked from their Global website). I guess they haven't removed it from all of their websites yet..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Here's two tests. The first is the one you're saying your Prime passed.

1) Wi-Fi off, cold boot, indoors.

There a vid of a G-Tab doing it and locking on 9 satellites in less than two minutes and maintaining a 30' accuracy. If the Prime can do it in twice the time (five minutes, it takes the Prime longer to boot), half the satellites (4), and half the accuracy (60') I'd call it passable but certainly not ideal.

2) Driving

Getting in a car with the Prime and have it successfully navigate at least a couple of miles with either cached Google Maps (no wireless assistance whatsoever) or something like CoPilot. The G-Tab, Xoom, and Jetstream can do that all day long. No one's shown a Prime even near being able to be able to pass that test.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Doktaphex:
I wonder if it could be as simple as GPS using only the companion core and that core not having the umph to process the GPS data quickly enough. Just a thought.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BAD_BOY_KIEV:
If I gonna see another post of people who use their GPS with Wi-Fi on there will be a massacre.... :mad: When your runnig around the city trying to find fuked up address and the people don't help, will there be God's Wi-Fi help find your location???

When you are in the car and there are no people to ask to find the right direction do you have God's Wi-Fi to help, if you didn't sepnd extra 300-600 USD for a 3G phone??? You see my point?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
My GPS seems to get an initial lock faster but is still unstable after the update. Even without being moved, receiving several satellites with a decent fix, it will suddenly lose everything and then start searching again. I had this same problem before the update. I realize the signal strength is marginal, but to just dump everything and start over is not acceptable. A drive using google maps was the same as before the update, resulting in many signal losses along with loss of position. This marginal operation is with the Prime on the dash directly under the windshield with a decent view of the sky. Other devices I've used do not have this problem. So in my opinion, it is reasonable to say Asus has not yet solved the GPS problem.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
I'm going to have to call BS on both of you who are saying wrong.

GPS capable smartphones use aGPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

are you telling us that these $400-600 Tablets Wifi or 3G setup are suppose to be full GPS devices and are to operate like a full fledged Garmin, Magellan, or TomTom GPS device. If that were the case then the price for these tablets would not be $400-600, and would likely be $600-$900 dollars.

the top of the line latest Garmin, Magellan, and TomTom GPS devices aren't cheap and start out at $300 for the 5-7" models.

I can only imagine their price tag if they sold 10" GPS models.

But for some of you folks to think ASUS or any of these tablet or smartphone companies would be gracious to include a full GPS device and sell it at such a low value. You're kidding yourselves. These Android and iOS Tablets use aGPS just like their smartphone counterparts.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
I think this pretty well sums it all up in a nutshell. This is so simple even a caveman could understand.......................

Never mind. If you don't get it by now, you never will. It simply doesn't work!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drzoo2:
First line from the article you posted. Highlights are mine.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
what are you trying to tell us?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sokonomi:
@ the_game_master:

Implying that the prime doesn't have at least equally capable hardware in it then a 200 dollar navigation device.

Seriously? The prime should have enough grunt to run circles around those.

My older-then-jesus (+8 years old) windows mobile PDA does a better job then the prime currently does at navigating.

It didnt cost 600 bucks then and it certainly doesnt cost 600 bucks now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Full fledged Garmin, TomTom, and Magellan GPS devices are expensive because they provide the SOFTWARE, MAP, and come up with their own MAP.

We aren't asking Asus to provide navigation software, maps, or live traffic information. And you really don't get GPS....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dajackal9999:
@ Shinzz... I went back to my local Gamestop and told them I wanted to exchange...they did not have any in stock and without hesitation gave my my refund in cash no less. No hassles at all....they did not even power it up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Move on and get back to your anime you don't understand it's OK.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
Did you get a refund receipt? If so, post it on their facebook. In fact, post it on their EVERYTHING. Lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Matthew Carson:
Actually I never said it passed the first test either. Where in any of my posts do you see that? It still doesn't find satellites indoors. What I said is that it will now find and track satellites (using GPS Test) and get a fix while driving in a car. It didn't do that before, and as an electrical engineer I see that as a significant change. It gives me hope that there is a software fix. I'm not saying it is going to work like I had hoped it would (indoors) but it may work well enough to be passable while driving.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gruntguy:
No need for that bro
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Asus screwed up we dont need people defending them on this topic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] stephen44:
A couple of things ...

1) if they do fix it - what will i read - this posts updates so regularly with people saying the same things

:) - just kidding with you.

2) I know it is not a TP - but I have an archos 101 - so for ****s and grins - i set my galaxy nexus (verizon, LTE) to wifi tether hotspot (market app) and connected the tablet. & installed 'TETHERGPS' on both (server/client)

I had a 10.1" gps - all the way home - worked perfectly - spot on for accurracy. - so this will be my fix for the TP - as I will have it tethered when away from WIFI anyways.

Just wanted to let you know thsi is a viable alternative for some of us. I know it should work as advertised, but .....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I tried.. didn't work for me. Tried few other non-tablet stores around my area as well.. no luck so far for me. =/ Only getting.. "we'll replace it once the 2nd shipment arrives...".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
So i guess its impossible to buy new bluetooth gps receivers for under $50????

And what about the model of the chip installed?

And how does a non-activated samsung omnia provide gps fine thru bloothooth?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] the_game_master:
magic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thomslik:
Why do Samsung and others have no problem doing this?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Dnorwood:
Pre update, I would occasionally see satellites with gps test no lock ever. post update, nada, saw a brief glimpse of one satellite with gps test, then nothing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
ditto they are moving backwards lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I use CoPilot all the time both in the U.S. and Europe. This is from their website.

Detailed street maps are stored

on-board your phone

so there’s

no need to use your mobile service

and data plan to navigate to your destination

or worry about losing directions when you travel out of coverage

.

I've used it with a G-Tab, Zoom, and Jetstream and they all perform pretty much the same. Just because you've never heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or isn't used. CoPilot's biggest selling point is that it works without a wireless connection.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Lock-N-Load:
Same.. this update hosed me and was a step backward

talk about a cluster f***
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
How's CoPilot? I used Sygic and NavFree with G-Tab 10.1 before I sold it to get the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I really like the app itself and the graphics on it are great and make it easy to view what's next at a glance. It also goes in to split screen like a car GPS for turns and freeway exits which is cool. Some of the data's a bit incomplete and the pretty graphics will sometimes say exit at "______" on a highway but the exit numbers are correct. Their data's not always super current but it's not stale either. I'd give it a 7 or an 8.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dajackal9999:
Sorry to hear it

Well...that stinks. I guess I got lucky since they were so busy and packed the guy just rushed me through. I even had to go out to my car to get the charge and usb cable AFTER they gave me the money lol. Hope ya get a good exchange tho.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Yea, it does. I'm looking for FULL refund, or exchange with properly functioning GPS unit as I need GPS on my tablet. But with the way Asus is reacting to our protest.. I doubt we'll see one in the near future at least.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rdalev:
I don't remember, before I purchased the Prime, Asus saying anything like, " Includes piss-poor GPS, with "Limited" capabilities !" :eek:

It said GPS capable !
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] fuzzer:
I've been watching the forums about gps and totally missed the locked bootloader...thats the straw...its getting returned unopened....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] faxmonkey:
after firmware updates gps works for me. Before i couldn't get a lock. Now after setting it in airplane mode, then cold boot... i locked into 8 sats. I walked about 20 feet and they stayed locked.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Walkamo:
Just posted this in the new firmware thread and was asked to post it here.

I have not had any issues with GPS accept for it being slow, and was asked to perform the following. I put the prime in Airplane mode, powered it off, powered it back on, launched the GPS TEST App and it is slow, however if found around 7 satellites. I was sitting in my living room with the closest window about 12 feet away. I am located in Orange County, Ca.

32GB Champagne Prime bought from Newegg from their first batch.

Here is a link to the video.. Sorry for the cheesy music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYAh2ZcCjJo&feature=youtu.be

Walkamo
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Check this out... We may finally find out if it's the back cover or not.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1424061&page=3

And no, it doesn't. Use cached Google Maps or CoPilot and try to navigate with it. Post a vid and you'll prove that you have the only Prime in existance that can pass that test.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] PrimeTimeBro:
Where do these people come from? I give up not even going to bother.

---------- Post added at 12:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 AM ----------

I still don't see a turn by turn navigation test he needs to get in his car.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
It gets so tiring. Personally, I would never jump in on the last page of a 100+ page thread with an "Ah Ha!" moment without at least reading half of it and understanding the issue. It sort of implies all the threads preceding it, some detailed and written by apparently smart people, were useless and irrlevant.