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[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] JoeM01:
If it's going to affect their revenue stream, they're going to look for a way to block it. there's no getting around it. they don't have the ecosystem that Amazon has, so they can't afford to have people go elsewhere for some of the more mainstream apps that they have in their store.

the solution to that it that B&N needs to aggressively expand their app store and price at least close to the Android Market prices.

at least then, there's a reasonable retort, despite how we may feel. still, I paid for the device, I shouldn't have them decide how I should be able to use it.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
As I said, I'm waiting and watching. My "plan to" is not 100% firm. I'll leave it to the devs to decide if they want to stick with this or not and base my decision on their progress, not what people are saying now in frustration. There are still ways around the issue and OTA updates appear to be (hopefully) already circumvented if people installed Gapps as part of the basic root procedure outlined on this forum.

To simply say "do not get... unless you want stock" is quite premature. Again, I have bigger worries on my mind - if Toyota was late on reporting a safety issue that could have affected my life and my family members', I have far more reason to turn away in disgust. Will I turn away from a reading device that STILL offers a tablet experience if people follow directions just because of B&N's asshattery? No.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] HMG10:
Personally, I don't like being locked into a B&N app store. For my next tablet/phone/android device, it won't necessarily be a nook, but it will run android, therefore google market is still the best bet. Google market is there and established. B&N should focus on making profits via ebooks, magazines and other media.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PHenn:
Is the extended return policy specific to purchases at the B&N stores? I purchased mine at Best Buy.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] outbasket:
Sideload Apps before Update

Luckily I had wifi off so I didn't get the OTA yet. Before I turn on wifi I think I will look around for any apps I may want and sideload. I will will copy the apks from my computer to the NT via USB. This site http://androiddev.orkitra.com/ seems to be a good place to gets apps.

Losing the Amazon Appstore is big imo. The free app of the day was something to look forward too. The BN Appstore is just not up to the mark, as the apps are not always current. I bought EZpdf from BN only to find it was a rev out of date. BN should add a whole lot more free apps to their store.

I really like the NT and I plan on keeping it, but the attitude of BN will probably chase developers away and in the end lose BN business. Companies are constantly making blunders, like Netflix did this past summer.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] jkmailley:
I'm not rooted. I was thinking of rooting, but I choose not to. I have had my NT since release date. In the last month I have sideloaded apps that I needed on a tablet (I also have an HTC Rhyme.) and customized it to my liking. I installed the update manually and having no problem running previously sideloaded apps.

The device is only 1 month old...the developers on this site will come-up with other ways to make NT even better.

For now...I'm happy with the device I bought...an B&N ereader, that goes on the internet with Netflix, Pandora, Scrabble and Audible....and Worms.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] JoeM01:
specific to B&N stores.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] yaggermr:
I love the feel and the look of the nook. It feels nice in the hand. I like the lanyard sd card slot and I love the community here. The screen is awesome and the hardware is fast.That being said I returned the nook today. I could no longer support a product that doesn't like me as a user. I was pissed at Sony with the PS3 when they removed Linux option and couldn't return it but with the nook I could and did. Tweakers and hackers may only be a small percent of the product base but the nooks is smaller by 1. I am not saying you should return your nook. It's still a great product and it seems like Loglud, Indirect, and Adam by sheer will alone will have BN begging for mercy in the next couple of months. Sorry but for me its FUB&N.

PS no one even turned the thing on when I returned It. Even though I did unroot and factory restore.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] conundrum768:
Fixed for 2011 policy.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] ShinnAsuka:
i think every retail store has a holiday return policy, however it might differ by a few days. best to check with the store or the store's website
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] liquidzoo:
I sent this in the moment I read about this update (I'm sure others did too). Having it published here will go a long way to getting the news out there.

Not saying it will do anything, but it might.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/nook-tablet-update-closes-sideloading-loophole-lacks-holiday-sp/
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] thunder33cat:
I also sent to BGR and Android Central...
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] fortunz:
2 Nook Colors duct taped together: $249

Jane Lynch Ad campaign: Millions

Declaring war on the people who made you the number 2 tablet maker: priceless

I'm not sure what to think myself. Don't have a NT yet, was planning to order in the next couple of days. I was disappointed by the locked bootloader, but heartened by the ease of sideloading. I've been reading the development forum daily and have been impressed by their progress, and as soon as this update went up, there was the beginnings of a solution.

Still, I'm not sure I want to be endlessly at war with my tablet maker. B&N doesn't have a sideloading problem, they have a selection problem. If they cared to compete with the Amazon market, they wouldn't have to lock anyone into theirs.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] GreenFuzzer:
Please remember I know nothing about android and trying to learn. If I used an N2A card would this 1.41 update still happen and mess with my system and make the N2A card not work? I have been considering getting one but thought I would hold out a while longer to see if they are able to skip Honeycomb and go to ICS.

Thank you for helping me to understand.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] HMG10:
N2A cards only work on the Nook Color, at least until the locked bootloader is figured out how to bypass. Honeycomb and ICS are also not in the future unless the locked bootloader is bypassed, unless B&N do some update for it. But even then, it will be some tweaked version that limits functionality.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] jimmysuggs:
I just wish B&N would put as much work into improving their ecosystem as they trying to lock people into it. If they got off their asses and actually got decent apps into their app store, there wouldn't be nearly as much need to root or even sideload apps.

If they want to compete with Amazon, then they need to compete with Amazon. And stuff like offering children's books you can add your own narration to isn't nearly enough. They need to be actively adding as many apps as they can, as fast as they can. That means reaching out to companies and developers and actually working to improve what they offer to their customers.

They're trying to move forward by standing still. And in some ways, they're trying to do it by moving backwards. That rarely works.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
@conundrum768

You're looking at last year's BB returns. For this year's returns policy, there's no exception for tablets, although I'm not sure if you need to have specified a "gift" receipt or not.

Holiday Returns Policy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Misc/null/pcmcat257800050001.c?id=pcmcat257800050001

Normal Returns Policy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Help-To...cy/pcmcat204400050028.c?id=pcmcat204400050028
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] conundrum768:
That's what I get for just Googling it and not looking close enough. Thanks, I'll edit my original for correctness.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] GreenFuzzer:
I can't thank you enough for your help. It looks like I will be sitting tight with my NT which I really really like and hope that in a few days someone is able to help me understand what I need to do to protect myself from this update in a way that I can understand.

Until that time if anyone can suggest books or sites for "android for the uninformed" I would greatly appreciate it.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] mohawkx:
My thoughts exactly. I tried to follow a procedure for non rooted NTs to prevent the update and even downloaded Root explorer but got hopelessly lost with the instructions provided. I've turned off WIFI and my device shows 1.4 as the OS. So I guess I'll just sit tight for a while and wait for a set of instructions that make no assumptions about the reader's knowledge and give very detailed step by step tutoring. I was able to follow the instructions for enabling 3rd party downloads and have great apps downloaded on my NT. I'd hate to lose the functionality I have now, so I'll just keep the WiFI off until a fix comes along I can understand. Obviously, what I don't know about these could fill a library.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] outbasket:
From that engadget link someone wrote in the comments, "I was informed by B&N that this was unintentional and that a fix is being worked on right now. They said that it should be out in 5 to 6 days and it will give the ability to sideload back...."

Let's hope that is true, perhaps B&N is worried about returns. They should halt the updates immediately until they get it fixed.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] os2k:
I was on wifi all day, and still no update came through. Maybe, just maybe BN actuall stopped the updates until they can make sideloading available again...
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] hoihtah:
i generally do not like to return gadgets that i purchase...

but it looks like NT will head back where it came from.

when KF's development started to take off, i thought we'll have our day soon.

when other HC tablet with front cam started to show up... i comforted myself with pricing difference.

when those tablets started to fall in price... i simply closed my eyes blind and ignored the facts.

and now, it brings me to 1.41 update.

BN has made its stance very clear.

They will not yield to unlock the bootloader.

The steps that they have taken with 1.41 update clearly shows that they want the control.

it really makes me wonder... how long did they think it would take before that update would be hacked? people who are going through the trouble of sideloading or rooting the tablet, doesn't BN think that they would go one more step towards undoing/blocking the update? in the end... was their effort worth it?

also, wrong time to be bringing out the update. with the holiday extended return period, it's almost as if they want to push people into returning.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] zaptoons:
Well said. My thoughts exactly.

First off, I don't mind B&N making money off their device, just do it via fair competition, not boxing users in. So dropping a quarter G for the NT entitles B&N to treat users as their cash cows? Not in my book. $250 isn't chump change. This isn't the same model as a dirt cheap printer or razor, where I'm tied to forking over for ink carts and blades.

The whole idea of pushing an involuntary update to the NT: B&N isn't my freakin' service provider. Even Verizon -who is- doesn't just update my phone behind my back and break my root access. I've never seen them push an involuntary update with no warning. Where does B&N get off doing this? It'd be a different story if it wasn't a mandatory thing.

Oh, but I see, because they want to make money and I've bought something from them, they're entitled to snag 12 of 13GB of available internal memory that I paid for, as well as dictate every aspect of my use for the duration. Don't complain about any of it, because somewhere it's written that handing someone $250 for a product entitles a company to do whatever they wish with it for the duration.

I should reiterate I'm not personally returning the NT I bought my wife- I don't really mind doing whatever needs doing to keep B&N from dicking the thing up. I'm grateful as always to the devs here- they made the thing worth buying in the first place. (As stock, without anything sideloaded, I'd never own an NT, it's truly awful IMHO.)

But the problem is now I realize I can't trust B&N in order to recommend the NT to anyone else. I've already put people in the position of "Oh hey, you know how you got the NT because it can do all the cool stuff you saw on mine? Yeah, well B&N will be actively trying to take that from you and at some point in the future those abilities may go *poof* unless you spend a lot of effort dicking around blocking things." Most non-tech people aren't going to accept that, and I won't rec anything that puts people in that position.

So great B&N, make your underhanded money. I'm sure demand will stay huge even after the holidays, and as you lock down things even more, and piss off more people that used to recommend your product to others.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] mohawkx:
Where can I find a link for this extended return policy. I just went to the B&N site and it says returns must be within 14 days. If I can get a link to this policy I can print it out so that when I drive the hour and a half to the B&N store they will not give me any problems.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
http://google.com/search?q=2011+holiday+returns+policy+site:barnesandnoble.com

"Any NOOK purchased from November 14 to December 31, opened or unopened, will be honored for exchange or refund through January 31, 2012."
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] mohawkx:
Thank you very much for that. I'll sit on the tablet for a while longer. Probably till the 26th and see what develops with this upgrade. But it looks like for my needs an upgraded Nook Color with a N2A, 32gig card will probably be just fine for me. With tax, my Nook Tablet cost 280.00. I can get a nook color refurb for 149.00 and a 32gig N2A card for 80.00. This is cheaper than the tablet and will give me all the capability I will ever need. Especially with the apps already loaded on the N2A card. Is there a down side to this approach I'm missing????
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] thatdude90210:
The only down side is spending too much for a 32GB sd card. It's a ridiculously easy procedure that consists of buying a Sandisk card, downloading a program to format the card, and copying several files to the sd card. That's it.

I upgraded from an NC, I liked everything about it except for the speed, even overclocked.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] r2tbone:
In case some may not know, everyone has until January 31, 2012 to return their Nook Tablet/Color/Simple Touch for a full refund under the holiday return policy.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Drewmungus:
That is exactly how I feel!

Locked bootloaders I can kinda half understand, and know the community will deal with in time. Really I can't say enough good about the amazing developers in every forum I've visited on XDA.

But once a manufacturer turns on us end users like this really pisses me off. I bought the nook tablet because I wanted to be part of the nook color community but with much better hardware. It's just one thing after another.

I bought a PS3 excited about the install other OS option less than a month later they took it right away from me. I haven't mine back yet but I'm seriously considering it.I know some of the other tablets out there are hovering around $300 right now.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] yaggermr:
This is true got mine on the 16th of November and returned it today no questions asked and the device wasn't even tested.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PHenn:
I wonder what is considered a 'gift purchase'? Does it matter if the item has been opened or not?

B&N should just get over themselves. 95% of the people who buy them are happy and will never hack their devices. Why ruin the fun of the other 5%? They probably realized we were not generating money for them and they already got their $250 from us. At least the update doesn't brick the devices.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] GreenFuzzer:
As silly as this might sound I have to ask as I have read so much about all of this today my head is spinning. Has anyone here contacted anyone and Barnes and Noble by email or fax? Have they told any of the wonderful hard working devs here that "no we don't want side loading to happen on NTs so therefore we intentionally put a stop to it". Or perhaps heard "this was an unintentional bug in the update that we are working on and until it is fixed we have stopped all updates"? Or words along those lines?

I would gladly ask them if I knew what to say but as I'm clueless to this I more than likely would not make out well.

BTW I did read in BNs instructions to get the update sooner people could you guessed it........sideload the update.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] albertwertz:
just froze device manager apk using titanium backup to block OTAs, hope this works while I read through all these posts to see whats going on ;)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] CRE:
Heh, I was thinking the same thing. At least they're giving NT recipients (those who receive them as presents) time to explore the device and, should they choose, time to schedule a good time to stand in line for a post-holiday return.

I had been on the fence about purchasing one. The locked boot loader bugged me a lot. I finally came around and decided that as long as I was able to sideload different launchers, apps and (hopefully after an update) any different keyboard I may want that it would suit my needs just fine; I'm not as inclined to flash new ROMs frequently and tweak everything anymore anyway. But this puts the device firmly on my 'pass' list... I'd rather pickup a KF which WAS lower on list for it's lack lustre appearance, lack of uSD and underwhelming storage capabilities.

People are right that we're not a large portion of their market... and yet, wow, they just went through a lot of trouble to kick such a small segment in the balls anyway... I'll be spending my money elsewhere. The only way a NT will be sitting beside my bed in the evening is if my wife gets one for herself or someone outside my family gifts me with one.

Hopefully this does get sorted out and circumvented or, better yet, B&N thinks twice and opens sideloading back up. While we're not a large portion of their market share, we are after all the people that a fair chunk of their market share ask for advice on such purchases; Flex that muscle. They want your word of mouth as much as your dollars... but you can help OR hurt them with both. ;)

Please don't mistake me for some militant turncoat (I haven't even decided what color of coat I want for the first round, let alone the second)... They're a business trying to make a buck (a little too aggressively, perhaps, but nonetheless). I do like having brick an mortar stores, there's a B&N very close to my home and I like that but I know it isn't cheap to operate. I'm not telling anyone what to do or how to interpret this just pointing out that as a community that is well aware of it's small numbers they really did kind of just go out of their way to slap you. I'm going to keep watching as things develop (like a kid watching a kicked anthill) but like many others now I'm going to just wait until next month and get something a little more feature full and without the boogeymen. :p
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>wrong time to be bringing out the update

Users will be opening up their presents in a few days, and now is the best time to push out an update. Amazon did the same thing.

>they just went through a lot of trouble to kick such a small segment in the balls anyway

Really, it's not about you (or XDA). B&N did what's in its interest, just as you did when you bought the NT--because it was cheap and has good hardware. And it's cheap because B&N wants to make money from content. Well, now it's enforcing it. Amazon's update does the same thing in forcing market installs through its Amazon app store. No surprises.

Just relax. Wait a few days and see if the devs can put out a fix. Or, of course, return it and buy a new toy. It's your choice. But whatever you decide, we can all do with less melodrama.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] iferlive:
Hey guys I really dont see the problem here, believe me i came from the closed world of SE Xperia X10 (a great phone),

Sony gave us its first android phone with a crappy android port, NO multitouch, locked bootloader, CERO updates.

And WE rooted our phone, WE made a port of Nand recovery (including CMW), WE made lots ok great Eclair android ports AND Froyo, and then we the consumers pushed Sony to give us GB and WE SUCCIDED, now we have a grat phone with Multi Touch CM7 and CM9 in the kitchen, unofficial MIUI and UNLOCKED (cracked) BOOTLOADER.

You guys have nothing to fear the great Devs of these great comunity CAN DO EVERYTHING, we all can try to help to make this tablet a better device, we have a great device with good specs.

Please be patient people and dont be dissapointed of the NT.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Sa1Nt_:
Hopefully this is true and they'll revert the update.. :) Btw. mine wasn't updated even though I rooted it couple days ago (Indirect said in his thread that if you installed gApps via his script it will disable the update).
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] gammaworks:
Looks like this approach has side effects.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20534274&postcount=135

Even though I have a rooted NT, I still want to use the Nook store and buy stuff if the price is right, and I have. That is why B&N really p.o me over this update.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Texx-it:
No OTA here... maybe 'coz i'm outside US?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] bldgengineer:
Guys, one of the biggest reasons I went with this tablet instead of a galaxy or a kindle or even a flyer was the ability to sideload. I literally received it yesterday from B&N.com and saw the news of this update before I got home to open it :( Its still sitting unopened as I contemplated sending it back last night but after reading this thread, I think I'll wait on returning it in hopes that someone can break this thing by the end of January. I really hope someone does.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] PlacidCat:
Amen.

This is like a flashback from when people discovered the bootloader was locked. Let's try to be a bit less emotional. This is not a personal attack (though I can see how many see it as one as much of this community is part of or identifies strongly with the demographic that is being shut out). Let's worry about more important things in life than what likely amounts to a temporary setback.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] diamond_lover:
Basta che rinomini il file device-manager.apk :P

Try rename device-manager.apk..
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] kusje:
Sucks to be an early adopter then? Mine was ordered on 8 Nov :(

Does anyone know if they mean the date it was shipped or the order date?