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[Kindle Fire General] Superfrick:
Taking a deep breath and just poking around, I seem to have answered many of my own questions. I'll try things out and if/when I am successful I'll post my own "How I did it"

EDIT: In the amount of time it took to post this, krelvinaz swooped in with the rescue. Thanks!
[Kindle Fire General] mrrush101:
As i was reading the last post about turning off my wifi the kindle was restarting and i went to device it says 6.2.1_user_3103920. Everything still works

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I got the update(6.2.1_user_3103920) while reading the last post on turning off my wifi. Everything seems the same do i still need to do anything or do you think it will stay as is?

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There is a kindle fire under the Christmas Tree should I root it right away once i open it, with wi fi off?
[Kindle Fire General] optimus24433:
My Fire just got the 6.2.1 update a half hour ago. Root is broken, and as a result, my ad hoc switcher no longer works, which really bums me out, because I'm no longer able to connect to wifi tethering on my phone. I'm searching for a 3G alternative, but really hope this version will be rooted soon. Everything was working so well. I should have installed the pre-rooted update before it was pushed on me.
[Kindle Fire General] disobayish:
i just received the update even though i renamed the OTAsilentupdate.apk this sucks!
[Kindle Fire General] jb0ne:
Ok I've done the OTASilentInstall rename, hosts change, and since that's not enough I went into /system/etc/security and moved otacerts.zip to the sdcard.

Still on 6.2, we'll see if that last change breaks the link in the chain...
[Kindle Fire General] cmbeid:
Heres a short-term workaround to prevent the Kindle Fire from updating:

Ok well apparently I cannot post external links.

We just posted an article on Gizmodo on how to prevent the update. Basically, you install DroidWall.
[Kindle Fire General] rad3:
Thanks. Just installed. I now have 4 potential workarounds in place. No update yet.
[Kindle Fire General] Gam3r 4 Life:
Hey Guys quick question. I just ordered a brand new Fire from Amazon. Do you think that they are updating them to the new 6.2.1 before shipping? And if for some reason my Fire does have 6.2.1, or it updates, is it possible to sideload apks in 6.2.1 or not? Thanks guys. Been through quite a few tablets and hoping this is the one.
[Kindle Fire General] lman00:
If you buy it in a store, you probably going to get 6.2 or 6.1, otherwise who knows :). You can sideload apks in 6.2.1, but for market you need root. And that's possible at the moment only with a factory cable (takes less than 10 minutes to create one if you know a little bit of electronics). But people around here are pretty confident, that somebody will find a "normal" way to root it soon :)
[Kindle Fire General] Gam3r 4 Life:
Do you mean after 6.2.1 you need a cable?
[Kindle Fire General] lman00:
For sideloading you don't need anything, just copy the apk-s to you kindle and install them.

The cable is only for getting to fastboot and modifying recovery, flash different roms on your kindle -> getting root access.
[Kindle Fire General] mrrush101:
Too late

While I was reading the last post about turning off the wifi, I notice the kindle restarting.I got the update. Everything works except no more root access. My Titanium pro and sufbs does not work.

Once the update takes place is it to late to install the fix

I have another kindle under the tree,should I turn off the wifi when I open it on Christmas and install the fix like mentioned an a earlier post?
[Kindle Fire General] Gam3r 4 Life:
Actually I just bricked a Kyros, and I keep reading threads about bricked Fires. So Im thinking Ill keep it stock for now. When you side load apps can you see them on the stock homescreen? Or do you have to install a launcher?
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
you see them on the stock launcher in apps
[Kindle Fire General] mrrush101:
Too late?

While I was reading the last post about turning off the wifi, I notice the kindle restarting.I got the update. Everything works except no more root access. My Titanium pro and sufbs does not work.

Once the update takes place is it to late to install the secure rom fix?

I have another kindle under the tree,should I turn off the wifi when I open it on Christmas and install the fix like mentioned an a earlier post?
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
it's too late if you have 6.2.1 unless you have or build a factory cable

and yes - it would be an good idea to do as you suggested with the other kindle or wait till the root problem is fixed
[Kindle Fire General] fgmart:
It breaks root, but everything else is smoother and nicer -- switching between apps and the home screen, launching the browser, the carousel, and responding to touches.
[Kindle Fire General] sgood1971:
I was lucky enough to get the 6.2.1 pre-rooted image on mine. You are correct, it just feels a lot smoother. I was having back button issues in any browser I used and they seem to be gone now as well.
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
So I've been religiously checking my cache folder to see if I get the update bin... Just found it, deleted it... We'll see what happens
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
awaiting your experience to see if my theory ist right

then we could consider to set the cache folder to read only

i have seen nothing other that's using this folder - it is normally allways empty
[Kindle Fire General] Vintage144:
sideloading works fine , custom wallpapers dont load (need root) , i might have buy another one so I can play with it! damn it!
[Kindle Fire General] ckilroyii:
I tried gingerbreak so far no dice the update also disables the google market app and gmail app, but doesn't disable firefox
[Kindle Fire General] charmainelooi:
Thanks all, managed to save one of the KFs by installing market in /system/app first before the update occurred
[Kindle Fire General] joelfinkle:
Everything I've sideloaded shows up in the Apps screen and on the carousel, except for Android Market -- I'm one of the few who apparently got to keep it in 6.2.1. I think all I lost is Currents (attempts to reinstall say that a library is missing), as I hadn't bothered with Gmail -- don't do enough email from my Gmail account to make it worth having two email apps on the Kindle (really three, counting corporate email through the browser). Maps still works, all the items I've gotten through the stock Android Market too.
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
So after, I put up droidwall, and made the cache folder read only, so far everything is still good

And come to think of it, this morning was the first time I've used the Amazon apps in a long time, I was demoing my kindle for someone, opened the app store, and Amazon video... Then I found the bin in my cache folder a few minutes later
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
If you make it read only google market can't download apps, just figured this out
[Kindle Fire General] jb0ne:
Well that's pretty significant, guess it does have another purpose.

I moved /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip off the system partition in addition the all the previous defenses and still haven't gotten the update. Then this morning I put Droidwall on and allowed most things I use except for ADCP -- i allowed the Amazon App Store and Amazon Videos, and those still work fine, and still no update....

I'd like the improvements in 6.2.1 but I know we'll just go through the same damn process in 3 weeks and I like things the way they are right now.
[Kindle Fire General] crshiver:
shoot

Changing the apk to bat on the OTAsilentinstall.apk did not work for me it was somehow renamed and the update went through...:confused:
[Kindle Fire General] jb0ne:
Considering that you can go to the Amazon website and buy an app and have it sent to your kindle to install (just like on the google market) they obviously have a means to install whatever they want remotely. They can easily replace OTASilentInstall without you even knowing, then proceed with the update.

Either ADCP or Amazon Apps is the culprit.

But they do need security on it, or ANYone could spoof being amazon and push apps to Kindles. That must be where /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip comes in. However I can install apps even with that file gone...though I haven't tried sending an app from the Amazon App Store to my Kindle via my browser yet, I'll go try that now.

Edit: Ok, Amazon App Store CANNOT send apps to my Kindle remotely right now; whether it's the otacerts.zip change or firewalling off ADCP I don't know, but when I purchase an app on their app store it no longer sends it over, even after opening the Amazon App Store app on my kindle -- I have to actually go find the thing I purchased and download it manually. No big deal at all, but significant in that it's probably one of those two changes that prevented it from working...And I AM still registered, confirmed in Settings.

Edit: Wonder if you made OTASilentInstall WRITE only, removed all read permissions....NM, if they can remotely reinstall it they can remotely fix the permissions.
[Kindle Fire General] Whistler36:
I dun it also

Had OTA rootkeeper with Root Explorer and Google market installed in System/app. I unrooted using OTA rootkeeper and then, silly me, downloaded 6.2.1 and put it in kindleupdates. Rebooted, etc. Everything still works but I do not have root.

In any case, Root Explorer still works but won't let me modify /system/app. I have gone to Market and installed new apps.

That is, OTA rootkeeper will not restore root. So Amazon must have gone looking for the backup su that OTA rk saved and deleted it? Where would I look for it? Does someone know if the developer is working on it?
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
You most likely would have gotten the 6.2.1 update anyway.

Amazon didn't look for anything, the OTA wipes /system and then rebuilds it. That is why OTA Rootkeeper has never worked through any of the updates.

There are only two working methods to get back root at the moment, one is with a factory cable and the other involves opening the unit. Easier methods most likely will come along.
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
Ok well it's been a while since I deleted the update file, still on 6.2 I think when I get home from work this evening I'm going to go ahead and install the pre-rooted 6.2.1 image because I would like to have the update at some point.

If there's anything anyone would like me to do or any info you need before I upgrade let me know, I think I'm in a rather unique position, and if anything good can be garnered from it then I'd like to help.
[Kindle Fire General] Whistler36:
By Factory Cable to you mean using a cable like that came with my Kindle reader and connecting it to a PC usb port? Because I can do that --- link please?
[Kindle Fire General] XD_dued:
Hey guys, i just got my fire :). It came with 6.1.

Is there anyway I can update it to 6.2 for CM7 without it getting the 6.2.1 as well?

Thanks!
[Kindle Fire General] boomn:
Nope, a special cable with different internal wiring. Right now you have to solder your own cable or adapter board to make one.

It's called a "factory cable" because it makes the device start up into a different bootmode that allows the device to be programmed regardless of what software is on the internal memory, i.e. something that would need to be done in the factory to flash the software in the first place.
[Kindle Fire General] GeneralTrelane:
Suggestion to block updates

Hi,

In future if/when we manage to root it, wouldnt an application that poled the cache folder for the update file every few minutes be a good idea? It could start up as a service, then if/when it see's the update file it can delete it.

Or maybe the app puts the latest 'fake' version in the folder read onlyed so amazon think you have it already so dont need it again?
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
thanks for the info

at lease we know where to look for the upcoming update and got a clue how they are doing it

there are very interesting ideas from others

prog that checks and deletes - faking file is allready there

i'm also still on 6.2 and considering going to rooted 6.2.1
[Kindle Fire General] agFinder:
YIPPEE YAHOOO ! Best Buy swapped my p.o.s.'d 6.2.1 KF for a new one and it's running 6.1 !! I'd already rooted my old one 2x (1st time then bc OTA 6.2 broke it) and really did try to live with a non-rooted KF but Jeez the Amazon skin SUCKS.

By the time I go to sleep tonight I'll have this one rooted, with DroidWall and all the other OTA-prevention schemes I can find, and hopefully FireFireFire and TWPS 2.0, and ClockworkMod7. Amazon will never get near this one!

Question : Is there a reason I need to update to 6.2? What will that get me?
[Kindle Fire General] charmainelooi:
IMHO, it's worth updating to 6.2.1 as I have issues with moving back and forth with the browser and it's not very responsive. A lot of these issues have been fixed with 6.2.1.
[Kindle Fire General] ckilroyii:
Factory Cable

do you or anyone have a pin out/schematic of the factory cable?
[Kindle Fire General] GeneralTrelane:
Other suggestion

Or lastly a service that is running that 'looks' for the update task and if it spots it a) terminates the task and b) deletes the update in the cache folder.

We had something like that at college many many years ago the system admins had installed it as a service that when using Internet Explorer it would spot a dialogue in existance with the downloading text on and terminate it. This prevented downloads on the internet. (so we wrote a program that would spot the dialogue and rename the text...) and they got smarter so we got smarter etc.
[Kindle Fire General] Serial_Noob:
I used vendor.apk -- that didn't protect me from the OTA upgrade. The file is no longer in /system/app.
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
it wouldn't protect you from the OTA, just whether or not your market works AFTER an update
[Kindle Fire General] XD_dued:
Alright I just used the 6.2 update from kindle fire utility.
[Kindle Fire General] brian112358:
Here you go. Pins 1 and 4 are connected (Suggest using a resistor, just to play it safe)
[Kindle Fire General] ReverseWolf:
OTA to 6.2.1 this evening; broke root, but Android Market works fine. Google maps, GMail & Calendar are all working, though Currents and (obviously) root-bound apps aren't.

MUCH less trouble than I anticipated!
[Kindle Fire General] Serial_Noob:
Can you post a wiring diagram?

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I have found apk files named Download_n.apk in the cache folder after updating an app through the market. That's how I got the Titanium backup to sideload on the Fire - from my Droid's cache folder.

They show up with the generic icon at first, but if you move them to the sdcard (or sdcard-ext on the Droid X2) the icon (sometimes) changes to the icon of the app that was upgraded.

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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant it didn't protect the market. The file disappeared from /system/app.
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
for the diagram look 1 page back

btw. an new root method is coming tomorrow

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1407129
[Kindle Fire General] agFinder:
Ummmmm yeah but it breaks root and prevents re-root. I like widgets way too much for that.
[Kindle Fire General] screwyluie:
now that 6.2.1 has been rooted this whole fiasco can be over, but if they break that root in a future update here's a little extra info,

since i found and deleted the update bin from the cache folder, my kindle has not updated, and the bin has not been downloaded again.

i would say that a task running, watching the cache folder for a bin file and delete it once found would effectively prevent any other OTA push
[Kindle Fire General] agFinder:
I took my OTA'd KF back to Best Buy and got a 6.1 which I've manually updated to 6.2, rooted, and gotten all apps working on. Deleted OTASilentUpdate.apk and edited the hosts file and so far no 6.2.1. Hopefully will get TWRP/CM7 on this weekend and no more worries.
[Kindle Fire General] rad3:
I'll add my experience -

I updated my host file, renamed OTAinstall, and installed OTA rootkeeper. Guessing none of those were the reason I haven't received the 6.2.1 update yet. But I also installed Droidwall and gave very few apps (including no Amazon apps) Web permissions. Just this morning, I started turning Amazon apps back on so well see what happens.
[Kindle Fire General] esor:
got 6.2.1 and everything works

I have 6.2.1 and it did not break the root.

I used the previous toturial from

http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/how-to-root-the-kindle-fire-20111123/

The update i did not notice until I saw the posibility to remove items fron the carosel.

Market works and so do all of my other apps

I have done nothing special.

/Esor
[Kindle Fire General] Vincent-Chen:
Deleting OTASilentUpdate.apk, dose it work? The OTA won't creat a new one for it? I don't know.... but I just changed the OTASilentUpdate.apk to OTASilentUpdate.apkXX. Only the suffix changed.
[Kindle Fire General] movieaddict:
that doesnt work! droidwall may work but we dont have a new update to test it...
[Kindle Fire General] jb0ne:
I suspect droidwall kept 6.2 off of me and I allowed every Amazon program but ADCP and the kernel. I finally just put a rooted one on myself last night.

Ibelieve ADCP does it. I want to point out that after droidwall, I could no longer use my conputer's web browser to purchase an app and have it sent for remote install to the kindle, even if I opened amazon apps. I have to now actually initiate the purchase via the Amazon App store app itself.

If ADCP could download apps silently sent from Amazon, why not new recovery, OTASilentInstall, ROM?

I also moved otacerts.zip though, and just last night tried to do something with my amazon account on my kindle and got an error, but was half asleep and don't recall what triggered it.

Kindle Fire using xda premium
[Kindle Fire General] Amacx86:
If you do this and reboot, do you know if this successfully prevents Amazon from pushing updates to the device? I've done this and rebooted, as well as applied Droidwall...but I'm not sure which Amazon apps I should not give access to with Droidwall...
[Kindle Fire General] jb0ne:
Supposedly the OTASilentInstall rename did NOT block updates. I put droidwall on and allowed EVERYTHING except ADCP and kernel. Never got the update..

However I DID move /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip elsewhere; that may have blocked the update as well. I'm going to put otacerts.zip back now, but I'm already on 6.2.1 pre-rooted so no way to tell until next time whether this did anything. I used the pre-rooted 6.2.1 that *doesn't* wipe everything; I forget who posted it, but it just updates your 6.2 to 6.2.1 by applying the differences, allowing you to keep every change you've personally made and not deal with putting the google services or framework back in etc.

Edit: Went to put otacerts.zip back and it was already there; guess the 6.2.1 update put it in there. Amazon app store now allows me to buy apps from my computer's web browser and install by going into the Amazon App Store app where it recognizes I have apps waiting to be installed; previously it didn't, presumably because of the otacerts.zip missing.
[Kindle Fire General] magicair:
Kindle Fire Utility v0.9.9 is the TOOL that I just used on Kindle Fire 6.3.2 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2192818
[Kindle Fire General] tobiascuypers:
Two years later..
[Kindle Fire General] shravbits:
I know right!
[Kindle Fire General] goldflame09:
people LOVE doing this for reasons that i will not disclose
[Kindle Fire General] TrojanDad:
It's one of the first signs of the upcoming zombie apocalypse.
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
I think they renamed Security to Restrictions. They have been pressed to provide restrictions on what someone can do with the device (kids, non-owners etc)... so that would make sense.

The 6.2 version had:

Help & Feedback

My Account

Sounds

Display

Security

Applications

Date & Time

Wireless Network

Kindle Keyboard

Device

Legal Notices

Terms of Use
[Kindle Fire General] Hellcat6:
It also brought back the original system apps that I had deleted such as IMDb and the Facebook link. Gmail seems fine but Google Currents is completey gone! Facebook app still ok, google videos works, widget locker ok, wallpaper still set to what I want and ADW working fine.
[Kindle Fire General] troydog:
Have not got the update but I think restrictions are for the cry baby parents. This was on of te things they screamed about my kid can order this with out me knowing.

So you can turn off one click ordering and such. You could do this before the update if you went ot the app and then settings but this way is to make it easy.
[Kindle Fire General] Hellcat6:
I see most settings were already there, just didn't remember. Security AND restrictions are there though, and changes for sure under device. Restrictions is just off and on. When you hit on it prompts you to create a password. Not sure what it does, I don't need it in any case.
[Kindle Fire General] slim_thumb:
The reason I freeze (disabling the service of) the OTASilentInstall app instead of renaming it to .bak (the same as removing the app) is that, I had bad experience with disabling similar automatic OTA update app in my Samsung Galaxy Tab (original 7 inch version), which gave me unexpected force-closes and error messages when I use other apps or just out of the blue.

I am not saying you should not rename it to .bak and disable it, it may not give any problem in the KF because these apps are tablet-specific.
[Kindle Fire General] sl0ttedpig:
It's possible it could cause problems, but I'm willing to take the risk. Kindle Support have stated that to force updates you click on Sync from the settings toolbar. I did do this, after a reboot, and actually the Appstore then popped up and told me there were updates ready, so I'm thinking for now, it doesn't appear to have broken anything else (the wife doesn't do anything non-stock on hers anyway). For me, not having the app running after a reboot in any capacity seems to be possibly the safer way to prevent an OTA update. Freezing it could allow it to be unfrozen by some other process.
[Kindle Fire General] JackpotClavin:
I might have a quick root method. If you can access adb is anybody able to idme bootmode? Looking for somebody who knows what I'm taking about : P
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
I'd help, but I am still rooted.. No 6.2.1 update so far.
[Kindle Fire General] neilrl79:
For those that did get the update.... Is there any speed improvements in the silk browser?
[Kindle Fire General] aerospacecase:
Is there a copy of 6.2 floating around that could be reinstalled with TWRP or are we hosed now? I am so pissed off that I might just return it and get a new one then immediately turn off OTA updates if that is possible.
[Kindle Fire General] Vashypooh:
I do have 6.2 hosted up somewhere at the moment for my utility.

If someone has seen 6.2.1 on there device, and wants to work with me and is okay with team-viewer, i would love to try and see if I can come up with a solution.
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
Did you get the 6.2.1 update?

If so, do you still have TWRP on the machine?

There are many that have the 6.2 update (including me) as protection of being able to go back to stock using TWRP, but if you lost root, I don't think that would work as I don't think TWRP would still be there.
[Kindle Fire General] Rebel_305:
I am still running 6.2 and have not received any updates whatsoever. Then again, my kindle is not registered. Does that make any difference?
[Kindle Fire General] movieaddict:
So in everybody opinion? would freeze ota silent install? or rename it??? i just froze it on tb. anyone have thoughts on this........
[Kindle Fire General] hitsndc:
I have 6.2.1. Is team-viewer the remote desktop thing? If so i know about rdp and gotomypc, TV shouldnt be more than those
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
See http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20483921&postcount=64