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[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
You've obviously never worked in IT... Samsung has their dev team which has to deal with many third party device driver teams which give code to samsung. They integrate it, run it through testing (up to 4 phases of testing) and then sign off on the code. If one device driver manufacturer is slow to respond, it causes delays. If they hit snags incorporating their UI to google code, they have to run it through google which might blame device drivers and so forth. When all that's said and done, they go through google's approval department, set up the firmware through kies and set up a deployment schedule to send it across the WORLD. Not only that, you have what, 6 versions of the sgs2 with alot of hardware differences? I'm impressed samsung got everything done as planned to be honest.

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Oh and I forgot, most devs stick to devices they own here... Alot won't blindly code for the 9100g or the US flavor sgs2s for example. Samsung doesn't really have a choice. And you guys should consider yourselves lucky having an international version and not a carrier edit like the LTE flavors. That adds another player in the food chain meaning they have to test and approve the branded firmware tailored by samsung. ;)

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[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
News flash: The galaxy nexus is a samsung phone.

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And if a few users switch phones because they're too eager, won't really put a dent in Samsung's pocketbook.

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[Galaxy S II General] marcadam:
Can't really see why there is all this fuss about ICS? Yeah I suppose the update would be nice and all but there isn't that much wrong with GB and my phone is set up just how I like it, all the apps, mods and tweaks work. Even when ICS drops via kies I'm still going to wait until people like the checkrom team and jaky have done their magic. I won't be sacrificing functionality for want of being first.
[Galaxy S II General] rlorange:
More to the point... back on my trusty sgs1. The official froyo update was nearly identical to the leaked version which I was playing with for a month prior...

Seriously how bad is the latest leaked LPH ics firmware? I'm using it seems fine to me... how much better is official ICS going to be than LPH?

The MAIN reasone and most users here not afraid to flash away on their devices is for the kernel source code so the kernel devs can work their magic.

***Shiny new SGSII running foxhound ICS LPH, itching for official sources...***
[Galaxy S II General] cbailey:
I will apply your technique...

WHICH. IS. WHY. I. HAVE. SAID. IN. MY. ORIGINAL. COMMENT. 'Google would do well to take note and enforce a clear upgrade path on its licensees' - go back and reread my original comment.

Do you read what people post before you respond?
[Galaxy S II General] Krookd:
I think Samsung are waiting for the devs on here to perfect ics so they can release it as their own.
[Galaxy S II General] stormtroopercs:
then they would have given us sources so we could perfect it ;)
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
I do read. Again, android is not the problem and they have no control over third parties. Why would they care? The competition just makes their AOSP phone look better. Apple has noone to deal with, thus cannot be compared. Google just sells android and gives guidelines to get it onto other devices. If they had or wanted any control, sense, touchwiz, motoblur and lghome would not exist.

I'm sorry if it sounded harsh, but I'm tired of reading the whole "apple has got it, android doesn't." Because it's not comparable at all... Different models, different architectures. And Google has no issues with their upgrades

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[Galaxy S II General] Tom Fagerland:
Why do people who supposedly don't care about ICS spend so much time in the ICS threads...?
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
Actually, Google has a lot of blame in this. They maintain closed aspects of Android until release. They release their phone (Galaxy Nexus) and OS (ICS) simultaneously. At this point, the OS goes open-source and the other developers get it. New phones would have to use the same hardware as the Nexus in order to get ICS to function in the same way. Also, it takes about 6 months of field testing to release a phone. An OEM releasing an OMAP4 device in April/May 2012 as their flagship would be committing suicide!

So, this means that developers have to compile for their specific hardware, and that takes significant time. The only other alternatives are for Google to control both the hardware and software (like Apple), or to certify specific hardware for all OEMs, leaving the phone's hardware way behind the competition (like WP7). Each option, including Google's, has advantages and disadvantages. The main disadvantage to Google's method is that other OEMs will always fall behind Google's phones in terms of current OS, even if they went with vanilla Android.
[Galaxy S II General] fr3quency:
+1! :)))

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[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
And how is that an issue? You really think Google would want partners (See: Competitors) to be in direct competition with their own flagship? Why would they give them a head start? Google is almost identical to Apple in the sense that they say a new version will be released, they release it and soon the phone follows... The third parties can wait.

It's obviously not the best way to go about things. But as you've said, the only way to fix this is for Google to impose itself. Which they have to do slowly, as third parties won't like being imposed restrictions on what they do. It's Android's strength and its weakness all at once... Variety, but at the price of fragmentation.

Also, I think Google needed to get Android out there quickly and massively to even compete with Apple... They've got phase one in.

Now comes phase two: TOTAL AND UTTER DOMINATION. haha, I kid. They do need to structure their OS on the third party end. I don't think they can impose hardware sanctions right now, considering OMAP, Tegra, Exynos, Snapdragon, etc. all want their part of the market. ;) All they can do is start with the software. (Which they did, by enforcing portions of Holo for new releases). Baby steps... Baby steps.

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It's the contradiction of life. People say they don't want/need it, but they do want it. Because it's new. ;) They just don't become all ape**** when it's not released...
[Galaxy S II General] Erlanderterv:
I keep coming back to this thread in the hope there is some real news on ICS and all that I find is this argumentive feeding frenzy!
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
:D You're welcome!
[Galaxy S II General] jaykresge:
Even though your point is incorrect, I won't waste my time addressing it because it is in conflict with your original assertion. You stated that Google is blameless for OEMs being behind on OS updates. I proved you wrong, and now you're asking how this is a problem? You stated that it was the problem in your original assertion. Make up your mind.
[Galaxy S II General] jpbl1976:
Some of the ROMs based on the leaked betas are pretty useful -- good enough to use daily if you have the time and patience to do a proper install -- but I suppose the reason that people are waiting for the official release is that even with all the valuable work the devs have done, there are still bugs: you can't restore apps from backups, can't move apps to the SD card, FM radio is borked, lwp won't set in the lockscreen, etc.

Of course, some ROMs have a series of workarounds to get these issues working properly but these add extra and not always straightforward steps to the usual flash/wipe paradigm we're accustomed to.

I suppose a final, stable and official ROM is perceived as an all-in-one solution; presumably these quirks plaguing the leaked ROMs will have been worked out between releases -- or at least that's the theory.

For my part, while i've tried a couple of the custom ICS ROMs and enjoyed the smoothness in performance, there are still some niggling issues that I'd rather do without. I can afford to wait for the usability improvements that will hopefully come with an official release or a custom ROM derived from it. At worst, we're talking of just 3 weeks of further waiting!
[Galaxy S II General] inmotion.ben:
so , is the 15th of march confirmed that ICS is coming for S2 ? :/
[Galaxy S II General] rajarshi10:
I dont see any point in making so many threads abt ICS when it looks exactly same as GB. People would be sick after the update. So better wait for proper CM9 or other AOSP based custom roms. Cheers :)
[Galaxy S II General] Erlanderterv:
No it is not confirmed. Samsung Israel withdrew that post.
[Galaxy S II General] Neo.:
Lol double Samsung fail :facepalm:

I don't mean to abase Samsung but their management is pretty poor for such a reputed company
[Galaxy S II General] billak:
Instead of waiting for updates from sammy go sign for the petition to release source code of our device so we can get full potential of our phone and more recent updates from CM and Team Hacksung.

http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...t-achieve-full-potential-of-purchased-devices
[Galaxy S II General] cbailey:
Well at least you have acknowledged the point I originally made! This is merely what I was saying.

I have had this issue for all Android phones I have had. I fully understand why it occurs, I don't accept it, but I understand it.

Which is why I said 'google would do well....yadadadada'

Phew.

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At least two of us in the thread know the score ;)

Exactly my original point, which he jumped on and is now backtracking :D
[Galaxy S II General] Eggomallow:
And yet, there's that distant hope in me that they'll reveal the update at their press event on March 15th.
[Galaxy S II General] 01binary01:
I keep coming back here and reading these threads because:

A) my already working gs2 has spare quantum CPU slices to use up.

B) I just love watching growing humans (minor thread posters ) who lose it over something that they 'didn't create', 'didn't have' in the first place and aren't in the position of that company which is probably a daily battle of marketing, project management and technical testis.

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[Galaxy S II General] Kryziek:
Its the same over there, believe me. I came from HTC.
[Galaxy S II General] claire85gr:
What an useless thing..
[Galaxy S II General] fyew-jit-tiv:
Guess one is going to have to look for another forum that dont carry as many keyboard warriors:( .
[Galaxy S II General] TheSniperFan:
Out you just stop giving a f**k like me. I don't care when Samsung releases it, as the current nightly of CyanogenMod 9 is very stable. Besides that, MIUI v4 is coming to our devices soon, so there is really no reason for whining.
[Galaxy S II General] dorian95:
Btw, Why did Samsung Israel said about march 15? What so special about it? Is it some press-conference will be at 15 of march?
[Galaxy S II General] Eggomallow:
Yup, Samsung Benelux is hosting a press event entitled 'Coming Soon - Line-Up 2012' on March 15th.

Perfect opportunity to announce the roll out the ICS update imo.
[Galaxy S II General] dorian95:
Cheers, but here's update.

http://www.sammobile.com/2012/03/11/galaxy-s-iis-ice-cream-sandwich-is-delayed-says-samsung/

As expected, I'm dissapointed in Sammy.
[Galaxy S II General] shaq1907:
Galaxy S II’s Ice Cream Sandwich Is Delayed says Samsung!

http://www.sammobile.com/2012/03/11/galaxy-s-iis-ice-cream-sandwich-is-delayed-says-samsung/
[Galaxy S II General] robsoniqe:
Shame samsung..shame..

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[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
There is no shame in them. History repeats itself.

Frankly I am so happy, cause I said I didn't believe them, and they proved it, again. I am so glad that some kids will start barking now who was talking about others are barking earlier.

LMAO.
[Galaxy S II General] daniel_dedeman:
Shame,shame,shame....big Samsung!!!!
[Galaxy S II General] ikatt:
Samsung Norway confirmed on Friday via their Facebook page that ICS will be rolling out in March at least. Beggars can't be choosers I guess.
[Galaxy S II General] spyrale:
the source is from 2 days ago.

tapatalked.
[Galaxy S II General] RandomPlayer:
there is still time to deliver ICS in Q1 but if they fail to do it in Q1, I think they should apologize it giving us in later point upgrade to touchwiz 5 in addition to ICS :D Yeah I know it's not gonna happen... just dreaming
[Galaxy S II General] vichimp:
ICS

I personally think that they prepare something big maybe new version of touchwiz and for sure ics 4.0.4 becouse 4.0.3 is ****,have problems with speed , battery nad so on..
[Galaxy S II General] buffon95:
:D really? you think so?

you are really naive:p
[Galaxy S II General] fatjivi:
Based on what do u think something big is coming??they will only get rid the bugs in 4.0.3 dont expect a miracle.
[Galaxy S II General] Danchibald:
My ICS lookalike GB is working flawlessly... I don' bother about update :) it will be nothing special...
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Deleted, just woke up. Xda app and me = bad mix in the morning
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
What I jumped in on was saying Android is to blame... You guys are confusing my comments and my intentions, I am not trying to be a smartass here, just bear with me.

Android itself is sound, but is open to anyone who wants to use it. Android can't be blamed because third parties use it differently than what google intended. A "clearer upgrade path" would be a viable solution to fix the issue, but who's to say google hasn't already tried? Third parties like choice (custom launcher and features, hand picked hardware) and I don't think would follow suit if google imposed anything right when android launched or right now... I'm thinking imposing criteria might even kill variety.

My original idea stands, I still think Android can't be blamed outright here. ICS in this case was still closed source until release as it should be, and that's more than fine because their code doesn't have to be open until final and they have a right to be first to use it and distribute it before anyone else gets a chance... Don't you think? They're a business like any other and I personally don't blame them for handling things the way they do. It might be more efficient as both of you have stated to rethink the upgrade path, but they'd have to impose a freeze period on their release anyways (possibly even what's happening now)

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[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
Wonk. Deleted post
[Galaxy S II General] 007law:
any idea, when the upgrade is goin to arrive ?

:confused::confused::confused:
[Galaxy S II General] Psilocin:
Google is not going add any features, as they never have in the past except for things like Google Wallet that don't require excessive tweaking of the AOSP code.

From what my friend who has Galaxy Nexus has been telling me, 4.0.3 is a significant improve over 4.0.2 as they sorted a number of bugs to improve performance.

The launch is still set for March 15, so just a few more days.
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
I think he meant Samsung adding touchwiz features and upgrading code to 4.0.4, not google adding features... ;)

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[Galaxy S II General] Pols-k:
I hope that Samsung release this soon. I had poor experience with Motorola and their post-post-post-post-post updates. :mad:

But well, I'm sure this will gonna be release VERY soon. :p
[Galaxy S II General] trifonwifon:
Galaxy S II’s Ice Cream Sandwich Is Delayed says Samsung!
[Galaxy S II General] Krizp0:
http://www.i4u.com/49847/galaxy-s-iis-ice-cream-sandwich-delayed

Déjà vu all Hero users.

There's gonna be a rage.
[Galaxy S II General] coversnail:
Wrong. ICS is delayed says Sammobile The only official confirmation we've had is still that the update is coming in Q1

I'm surprised mobile phone companies even bother offering upgrades, it only causes them hassle having to deal with floods of people asking when the update is coming, and then annoying their biggest customers (the carriers) by bombarding their customer services asking the same question when they delay the update to test that it works on their network and add their apps etc.
[Galaxy S II General] scottishlad80:
I wish people would stop saying it is delayed and posting links from websites that dont know their facts. The fact is Samsung have never given a release date, they said it should be released Q1 of 2012 which is any date up to the end of March. There is no delay end of story.
[Galaxy S II General] riz244:
Looking forward for the update. But waiting....waiting.... Seems ages now. Rumors of S3 coming soon as well. S2 hasnt been updated to ICS yet and S3 is coming. :confused:
[Galaxy S II General] :
Story's like this you mean?

http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...LAY-the-Galaxy-S-II-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-Update
[Galaxy S II General] sohebq:
It's just a cheap marketing tactics from samsung. Anyone know when the final version of CM9 will come ?
[Galaxy S II General] donalgodon:
You wont see a "final" version of CM9 until some time after sources are released, and that won't happen until some time after Samsung releases the official ICS update. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
I think we should have a bot post every hour saying, "No, ICS is not released. Samsung said and is still saying first quarter of 2012. First quarter of 2012 ends March 31st. Anything else that's not posted by Samsung can be ignored and considered pure speculation. Cyanogenmod 9 needs to be improved with source which is why it's still experimental. Source won't be released until samsung releases ICS. No, the petition won't make it come faster. No the petition is not to release ICS source right now. Please read the petition thread for all questions on petition."

just to sum everything up. ;) Did I miss anything?
[Galaxy S II General] D3VI0US:
What is really ironic about this that we lost the luxury of having Samsung flagship and nobody tell me Samsung not forced to update anything No, Samsung forced to have the latest and greatest software to date that's the meaning of having Samsung 500+$ flagship .. because all i see here is that Samsung is just trying to get new phone every year to the market and f*** the old ones it happened with SGS before and it will happen with the SGSII later this year when Android 5.0 is out ... so as far as i recall SGSII captured the best phone in MWC12 so is the best phone from the best manufacturer in the world according to MWC12 should get updated to latest Android after 3 or 4 month ? and if it's Google who pull the strings .. still Samsung fault to just mess with their users like that .. what i'm saying is we didn't pay 500+$ for a great phone to stay on Gingerbread and what is really pissing me off that Samsung pages keep saying soon and now Samsung saying delayed that's not professional at all
[Galaxy S II General] ithehappy:
Do you think some of the idiots here understand what the words like *flagship* or *professional* mean? Nah! They just have damn extra money to burn and this time they purchased a GSII, other time, other stuffs and same gob opinions.

:cool:
[Galaxy S II General] Floodland:
ICS

Q1 is finishing and Samsung seems to be failing to keep its word. Sad news...

About CM9, am I the only one to find trebuchet seriously lacking too many features? I know, it is not finished, but compared to any other Launcher (go launcher, adw, even weak Nova launcher beat it), it really sucks...

I am talking from a user perspective. am I the only one who noticed it?
[Galaxy S II General] xk315:
ughhhh...

Has there been an official message on samsungs' twitter announcing a delay? no??? what about facebook??? or maybe something like gsmarena? no? maybe cause there is no f***in delay perhaps?

The only announcement samsung officially ever made about ics was that it will arrive by the end of march that's another 20 days to go..

if you want to complain do so when the months has gone and there is no ics released.

I want it as much as everyone else but please till you actually have a reason to complain STFU!
[Galaxy S II General] TheStigx:
Q1 is finising? It is the 11th of march, still got plenty of time left. Beside I would rather have a late ICS, than a rubbish ICS. Like HTC's ICS. I've heard the XE version, have some force closes.
[Galaxy S II General] Jeegsawk:
Because from an agreement with Google they are forced to give 18 months support and upgrades...

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[Galaxy S II General] kalairn:
hmmmm I believe i'm at fault for this, once upon a time I brought a htc hero and that got it update very much delayed hmmmm and now i own a SG2 and there a delay tooo. Hmmm I believe there more to this then meets the eye and htc and sumsung don't like me. Once again sorry too everyone :D
[Galaxy S II General] karendar:
"We promise to you all to try to get one more leak." Tweeted off sammobile just now... Too bad they don't specify for which phone! Haha

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[Galaxy S II General] SiSL:
I thought April would be Q2 :)
[Galaxy S II General] sachs:
Sammobile garbage....:cool:
[Galaxy S II General] dorian95:
Ahaha, it seems like SamMobile is just undercover account of Samsung. I mean, Samsung is delaying ICS update, and SamMobile, to cool down the rage of community, going to release one of their "BETA" builds, I cant actually think that it's real "leaks". They knew that community will be mad, so they gotta do something to shut us.
[Galaxy S II General] jontoo:
ICS update will not be release to sgs2 before sgs3 to be launched
[Galaxy S II General] dinoc:
Yes this is what I was thinking of, too ... One more reason to switch to Nexus Prime :-)
[Galaxy S II General] Kaffee4Eck:
I think the delay comes because they want to fix the triangel away apk. So that we cant reset our FlashCounter...
[Galaxy S II General] sohebq:
And why this will happen. Is he planning to port that crappy touchwiz launcher, lol.
[Galaxy S II General] chrisjcks:
Can a thread be blocked?

Why isn't this one....

Delay delay delay - WTH!

Samsung havnt even given a date other than Q1 & guess what - were still in that!

Some people need to go & get a life.
[Galaxy S II General] jonnyhall1bmx1:
okay my only and first question to this thread is

will we ever get ics to galaxy s2?

im not bothered when i just want to know if we will defo get an update ?
[Galaxy S II General] omeryounos:
Seems like SamMobile is going to release a new beta soon....I'm getting some hints from their tweets in last one hour.....so I think we will get another official leak....by Samsung through SamMobile as usual.....
[Galaxy S II General] sniper:
Yes, they've already said many times that it will get the update, they just haven't given any exact dates. The only date which was quickly withdrawn was March 15, but that was for their Israel website.
[Galaxy S II General] jonnyhall1bmx1:
thank you for the reply :)
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
I couldn't really care at this stage, any initial excitement i had about ICS is gone a long time, as a few people have said it's quite likely the Galaxy S3 will be released before the SGSII will get ICS, certainly that is how it appears anyway!

My phone running CheckRom and Speedmod is running the best it ever has so im happy enough, i wish to fu*k these bloody ICS threads would stop enough is enough.
[Galaxy S II General] walidhiphop:
+ 1
[Galaxy S II General] :
I would be contented if only the XEU had the 2.3.6 like everyone else instead of the 2.3.4
[Galaxy S II General] stubradley1:
I don't have a gs2 yet. I am ordering mine tomorrow :)

I don't give a **** about ics because there are too many good roms out there to keep me busy for ages.
[Galaxy S II General] xstarbuckx:
agree with this
[Galaxy S II General] xath23:
Sammobile/samfirmware lost all credibility when they started having a deal with darkys rom team and posted custom roms along with stock roms. Also their news are not very well written and often sound unprofessional. Oh and remember for the last leak they wanted 10k followers on twitter.. Lol..