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[Fascinate General] laureanop:
You can't possibly be serious. The gnex, razr and rezound are just by virtue of their hardware far superior to what's been released before.. ( although I was disappointed with the rezound). Not to mention ICS takes android to a new level; now ios looks definitely very small in android' s rear view mirror.

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
While I agree these new devices are far superior hardware wise, they sure as hell dont seem 300.00 worth better. Look at the display, the super amoled plus and hd's have a blueish hue to the screen. The regular super amoled has so much truer whites. I could see upgrading to a gnex for 100-150, but not 300. Ill hold off till its cheaper...
[Fascinate General] AuroEdge:
I could justify $200 seeing as that's what my Fascinate cost. That has a lot to do with jt's ICS giving my handset an extended lifetime
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Rezound + Droid RAZR + locked bootloaders = FAIL!!!

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Absolutely. I'm waiting for the wire fly special. Not paying a penny over 150 for any phone

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
what if I never had a fascinate in the first place?

Sent from my ICS SCH-i500
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Mesmerize, Showcase welcomed as well

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] rmtobler:
Well ... the fascinate's hardware runs everything on the phone perfectly fine.... and physically looks better than any of the phones in the verizon store right now (f'ing ugly stuff).

I could only justify getting the nexus just for the development aspect, but I'm still enjoying what's going on with the fascinate. plus I think the fascinate looked better still.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
I'll give you that one. The fascinate is a great looking phone and the only camera better than the TW camera is the one from the gnex.

But when it comes to phone performance TW leaves a lot to he desired.

I have the chance of getting an inc2 next week for a great price. I was playing with it yesterday and even bloated stock it puts our phone to shame.

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] sfd0124:
I'm definitely jumping on the Nexus, but I'll wait a month. I'm sure the deals will start after Christmas. $150 is my max that I'll go for a phone. There's no reason to overpay.
[Fascinate General] mentose457:
Im gonna get the nexus when its cheaper. I will never buy a non-nexus phone again. I am sick of TW and blur.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Yeah. Chances are I won't be getting a TW phone again. BML is terrible

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] hesh.monster:
Im switching to AT&T and importing a Xiaomi M1 from China...trololol

In all seriousness that device has sick specs though.
[Fascinate General] glenniosaurus:
upgraded to iphone 4s, have another upgrade in june. Did not like how big and plastic the nexus was. Hopefully something will wow me by June.
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
samsung has gone native ext4 for its sgs2 phones and im sure will stay the same going forward

performance wise, the sgs2 is still probably the best phone available (oem skin and os version aside)

i personally look forward the the first lte ics tw device to grace verizon and assuming a sense ics lte device doesnt drop first...then thats what i imagine myself getting in q1 or q2 (or whenever either drops)

til then ill stick with my inc2 and fascinate...i enjoy aosp on occasion but long term would be bored with just that
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
SGS3, expected global launch March-April 2012.

Rumored specs: Super AMOLED Plus HD (no pentile), dual-core 1.8Ghz Exynos proc, and the ICS version of TouchWiz is expected to be much lighter on the OEM skin customizations.

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
rumor has it that US Cellular is getting the gnex and tablets, in like Q1 2012. So you guys have me until that comes out and I can convince my parents to get the upgrade, at which time I'll probably give this phone to my sister.

Sent from my ICS SCH-i500
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
well thats the intl sgs3...a vzw one might not be til summer

but it wouldnt surprise me if a tw version of the gnex of sgs2 lte hd variant shows up earlier
[Fascinate General] Hypnosis4U2NV:
Even though none of my lines are under contract any longer, my decision for an upgrade will fall towards a phone where the most development is taking place. With that said, gnex or sgs3 might be in my sights down the road, but a decision won't happen until this summer or until my phone breaks..

Sent from my Commodore 64..

READY.

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[Fascinate General] Tone_Capone:
Can anybody explain why anyone would consider leaving a Fascinate for a RAZR? How is going to a phone with a locked bootloader, crappy Moto Blur software and a non-removable battery an upgrade?
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
it's a very obvious upgrade with hardware. not everybody is into all the modding and stuff like us; a stock or lightly modified fascinate would be crushed in comparison to a stock razr.

Sent from my ICS SCH-i500
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
That's another consideration. Quality and quantity development for my choice

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
When you say native ext 4 does it also mean mtd ?

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] k_nivesout:
Can you expand on that a bit? My brother has that phone, I put CM7 on it and it's a great phone, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it puts the fascinate to shame.
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
Got a galnex for $200 on launch day and not one issue to report (contrary to what you may read). The fascinate was a 15 month love and hate relationship. I'm very very very pleased with the galnex and glad I pulled the trigger.

good day.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Hope you keep checking in with your awesome posts

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] sfobrien:
You guys thinking about the Nexus read this first.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/19/galaxy-nexus-signal-strength-bug-confirmed-by-verizon/
[Fascinate General] Jazz848:
I second that! It's just not the Fascinate forum without Bubbles...
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
all lte phones are suffering from it right now....
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
On a lighter note. That galnex forum is almost like if there were 100 martyotaku's and bingodanny's posting at once. :p http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1400963

And back to the lte issue, that's why i said "contrary to what you read". Not having an issue in Chicago myself. It's finally refreshing to be on the other end of an issue. ;)

good day.
[Fascinate General] sfobrien:
Great. I'm eligible for an upgrade. Think I will wait for fixes and lower prices !
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
here is a good read about it.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/12/19/this-is-why-your-verizon-galaxy-nexus-or-other-4g-lte-vzw-phone-is-losing-data-signal/
[Fascinate General] wessiide:
Seems to be a lot of hating going on for the galaxy nexus but I can assure that this is quite possibly the best experience I have ever had with a cellphone the fascinate cannot hold a torch to this phone.. I don't think I could ever go back even with ics port. The response time speed, data speeds (double my fassy in same spot) the screen pentile or no is amazing, and overall fluidity is something I've never experienced. Couldn't be happier to finally rock Googles flagship device.

Only major gripe is the low speaker volume and no voodoo sound :( (for now anyway)
[Fascinate General] wessiide:
Also thanks for the thread laureanop I believe I put my speech in skynets latest lulz thread (sorry dude!) lol
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
You won't hear any hating from me ;) Once I get it, though, I'll still probably keep my Fascinate, though... It still runs well on jt1134 and Team Hacksung's ICS build 2

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] xain713:
I will be moving to sprint in 3 days xD I'm ferrying the epic touch 4g (aka Samsung galaxy s2) :) I will miss my fascinate, it will be close to me though, I will still own it just not activated =D
[Fascinate General] xain713:
Lol barely noticing my typo erm, getting not ferrying lol
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Too late. Already in auto correct thread

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] Dj-Dubster_TN:
unfortunately i had to switch to tmobile :/ got stuck with this stupid ass lg mytouch 4g, its so ugly, and theres no development for it yet, which is even worse..but good news is ima get a galaxy s II soon cause in my opinion that is one of the best if not THE best phone out today
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Good luck dj

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] xain713:
Lol damn xD
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Wow - after all this time, still no development going on for the MyTouch 4G huh? :( So how long do you have to wait for that SGS2, dj?

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] keith7120:
Its my time to say good bye to the Fascinate. I was very excited when the device was released as it was my introduction into the droid world. Coming from the Blackberry Storm, I figured that anything would function better than that heap of crap. On day one of receiving my Fascinate, without realizing the fact I was a droid newbie, I rooted the phone and removed all Verizon crapware. Thanks to XDA, I have learned a lot. What was disappointing was, if it were not for XDA, i would have trashed my Fascinate as it appeared that both Verizon and Samsung simply gave up on it. This week my Galaxy Nexus will arrive and I hope like hell I will not have to totally rely on XDA just to have a proper working phone. Samsung, this is your last shot! Although, I will continue to use XDA for ROMs and other enhancements but if it turns out that I can not have a reliable phone without XDA, this will be my last Samsung. Good bye Fascinate, hello Galaxy Nexus.
[Fascinate General] lpt2569:
I'm only 9 months into my 2 year contract, so unless I want to spend a lot of cash, which I don't, I'm sticking with my Fascinate. Plus, I actually don't see anything right now at Verizon that makes me want to dump my Fascinate. I played with everything out right now, and nothing blew me away, not even the GNEX. Just me I guess. But that may change by Q2 next year, depending on what gets released. With Superclean, I'm loving my phone. So for me it's not good bye, it's hello again...for now.
[Fascinate General] zander78:
i hope that our phone will even get ICS. Many phone will not but lets pray to god our phone gets put on the nice list this christmas. Even though many of you already know that ICS run perfectly fine on our phones its wether or not samsung is will to push another update.
[Fascinate General] lpt2569:
I highly doubt this will happen. But who knows, I would love to be wrong.
[Fascinate General] zander78:
well it might be a while but here some info that might say we are: http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=8894
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
I wouldn't rule it out completely. But of course it would have TW on top

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
I bet all those devices listed have 512mb+ of ram (didn't check specs of each). But unless the update includes a hardware mod to give it the missing 128mb that ics needs then the first gen galaxy s phones will never see an "official" ics update.

good day.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Is your gnex rooted, deodexed and cleaned up yet ?

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] lpt2569:
That's a good point as well. I'll be trying the "unofficial" ICS soon most likely, to give my Fascinate extended life through the spring hopefully.
[Fascinate General] sageDieu:
technically Samsung is required to keep our phones updated through the pact they and the other major carriers had with google but I don't think it was legally binding.

Sent from my ICS SCH-i500
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
iirc the agreement was for 18 months post launch...but

-i dont know if it included phones already launched prior to it

-if the fascinate would qualify as a reg sgs1 phone which launched in may/june of 2010, not the sept 2010 date on verizon (as its just a variant)

either way tw ics wont ever happen on this phone unless something wacky happens at samsung and they decided to invest the money in it
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Perhaps our favorite Uberdev will port SGS2 TouchWiz ICS to the Fascinate ;)

Phones launched prior to that agreement were not included from what I read about it when it first happened.

---------- Post added at 10:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 AM ----------

I got my own G-Nex today, finally... I can't really say goodbye though because I'm still keeping my Fascinate...

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Lucky bastard. My brother is getting his today as well and he's giving me his dinc 2 until my February upgrade day.

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
i think you will like the inc2, imo its comparable performance wise to the fascinate

stock its miles better than the fascinate, but when comparing rooted rom/kernel vs rom/kernel its more even

and we have about 6 or 7 tsm roms on the inc2 :eek:
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
I've checked them out already. Nitsuj you are insane! You're responsible for 15/30th of all vivow roms.

I was impressed with how they improved hd video recording, at least in the latest December release. Pain in the ass to roll it back to 2. 3. 3 to acquire root though

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
yeah, id imagine it is (havent had to do it)

i had no root for 10 days when i got it until jcase sent me and times_infinity his xtc clip to get s-off
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
You betcha.. I finally even got apk's to compile and was able to figure out how to get my "pwr to search" mod over to ics. Plus it's an actual pwr button icon that I drew using gimp :p. It's a sweet device and glad I got it.

good day.
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
@laureanop:

1. I sure don't feel lucky - It looks like I'm gonna have almost no spending money for the next few weeks.

2. Are you sure you're not eligible for early upgrade?

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Still on stock myself for the time being, until I watch an Android Market movie or two and decide on a ROM/kernel combo - seems like the CDMA GNex has more kernels than a movie theater popcorn machine :rolleyes: I have no idea where to start even for choosing a kernel (ROMs look like a much narrower field atm, and I guess my ROM of choice will narrow down my kernel options unless I stay stock and only flash a kernel)

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] wessiide:
Man the gnex forums are insane. So much to choose from new roms kernels pop up everyday. I was 2 months from my upgrade so I also did the early upgrade which was only another 20 bucks so heck with it. But on another note, I thought the influx of noobism here was bad lol.... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=20548236

I miss that thread haha
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
1 - who cares if you don't have money for toilet paper and groceries? You got the gnex

2- already asked. Early upgrade is Feb 12th

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Lots of noobs equals awesome. /me licking my chops (although I am myself at the top of the noob hierarchy)

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
2. sorry to hear that :(

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
I'll have to start another noob thread in the Gnex forum ;)

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Ill be there to slay some newbs with ya...TROLLZ ABOARD!
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Wonder if the mod over there understands our lulz...

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Speaking of which... The mods were kind enough to reopen my noob thread here :D As long as we don't get nasty we'll be fine...

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] zander78:
Isnt this supposed to be a goodbye thread. Not who thinks they might be getting the gnex?
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
I mean this in the most polite way possible, but please try to follow along...

1. I think I'm getting a GNex...

2. When I get my GNex...

3. I'll prob. sell/donate my Fascinate...

4. When I do,...

5. Bye!

Edit: that was just the reasoning of a typical user posting in this thread. I personally am not getting rid of my Fascinate any time soon...

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] thefunkbot:
pointless threads like this were one of the things i hated most about the fascinate forum.

wont be missed....
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
Well aren't you just a ray sunshine... What the **** you disappear for 6 months and you come back with that? Well if you get a galnex have fun there. About 85% of those threads are pointless :rolleyes: maybe even 95%. I had to stop reading that forum after 2~3 days due to blood pressure reasons. :p

good day.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
We also want to know what other member' s plans are , what phone they' re getting, feedback on the new phones and how they compare /contrast to the fascinate.

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
The underlying purpose of this thread is to keep the members of the fascinate community informed of what everyone is doing from this point forward. Why? Because we care !

You can always skip the thread if you don't like it

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Thanks for your .02 cents Mr. personality :rolleyes:
[Fascinate General] :
No worries man. You wont be missed ether. Bye.
[Fascinate General] bobloblaw1:
I'm going to stick with the fascinate for a few more months at least. I'm not looking to pay Verizon money to beta test a phone as I just did that on the early days of the fascinate. For now I'm going to enjoy a solid stable phone with plenty of roms.
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Those of us who cannot upgrade right away have that advantage. In a couple of months there's gonna be plenty of quality, stable work waiting for us

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
There are plenty of ROMs for the G-Nex between XDA and Rootzwiki, but here's the problem in 2 parts:

1. The device is new, so the ROMs are new, and most are basically the same underneath, just stock with a couple of minor tweaks.

2. When you get an AOSP phone, everyone thinks he's a "dev" because he can pack a few apps and scripts into a zip file (one guy in irc called them "Winzip ROMs). It's like there's a legion of Enyo's over there.

There are also more kernels in Rootzwiki than a Pop Secret factory - same problem as the one with ROMs. If you don't know the "dev", you really are taking your phone's life in your hands flashing them.

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Hey whats your guys opinion on the moto razr? I know locked bootloaders suck, but a member has one brand new with good esn for 380.00. Seem like a deal? All though I dont think I can stray away from samsung at this point....
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Yeah it's a deal, $380 outright is hard to beat (try to find out all you can about this guy before you trust him, though, 'cause the deal is almost too good to be true) - btw, the RAZR also has a Super AMOLED display...

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
That's a great deal but beware of the seller. I was really impressed with the razr. Smoother than any other VZW phone (except the gnex), great ergonomics and hardware. I imagine that when it gets ICS it'll be on par with the gnex.

Imo, it's another phone that doesn't really need rooting.

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Ill go ahead and share the link...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1400969
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
If you like MotoBlur...

(please do what laureanop said, and find out everything you can about the seller first)

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
Jesus, tough decision! On the one hand the seller has been a member for 3 years, but 380 for a brand new razr is way too cheap. That's $300 off retail

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
I changed the launcher to go ex and the phone flew through everything. Blur is not that intrusive (it was actually very close to aosp)And eventually somebody will come up with the boot strap

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] Gnomad:
Post #12 and #17 he says he bought it off of Craigslist and really can't say that he is 100% certain that it has a clean ESN.
[Fascinate General] Hypnosis4U2NV:
That is so true.. I'm not falling into that hole again.. I'll just sit back and watch the show!

Sent from my Commodore 64..

READY.

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[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
yeah even if the phone is great, i personally will never buy another moto product until they stop with the bs of encrypting their bootloaders

i know htc has security on the phones, but they offer unlock solutions for all but vzw devices...and i blame verizon for that, not htc
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
I'm sure the bootloaders will be unlocked once the Google buyout is complete...

Has anyone seen John Connor?
[Fascinate General] nitsuj17:
maybe/maybe not

google has said they will let motorola run as an independent company/unit essentially

google didnt buy them to get into the handset business...they bought them for patents and profitability....if moto wireless or w/e its called makes money doing what it is doing, i dont see google stepping in that much

especially since they dont want to upset their other handset partners...they ll want it to seem like they dont run the company, just own it as as an absentee partner
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Yep...its hard to drop 380 on a device if your not sure its got a good esn. Probably why nobody jumped on it yet.
[Fascinate General] xwhofarted:
LOL i went to the mall last night and i looked at the nexus and the sales man comes up to me and this is the first thing he said to me: "Pretty futuristic, isn't it?" I almost laughed in his face. That is his big line? I was going to ask it it does holograms but i wasnt that quick on my feet. LOL

I didn't have the hart to show him i already had the ICS on my Fassy
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
It doesn't mean the seller is dishonest. It's just that he' s not even sure himself if the esn is clear

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
oh i know...just sayin thats most likely why nobody bought it yet.
[Fascinate General] wessiide:
I odined chainfires modded stock kernel that includes root and unlocks the boot loader. Worked great he seems pretty respected around the forums so I knew it would prob work out okay. Now just waiting (rather anxiously) for voodoo sound port. Only thing I truly miss.
[Fascinate General] droidstyle:
Lol I have already recomended that method to a couple folks over on the gnex section that are boot looped from newbness. I just don't understand why more development is not utilizing odin. I know that if and when I get a gnex, this is the first thing I will do. Its so easy...put the .tar in pda hit start, bam your bootloaders are unlocked, already rooted and deodexed. Seems like alot less hassle but yet alot of folks over there dont get it?
[Fascinate General] laureanop:
People get set in their ways. If you're not familiar with odin it kind of sounds scary. We have that advantage ( fascinate owners are probably the most odin knowledgeable phone owners out there)

"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom"
[Fascinate General] skynet11:
Especially the poor souls who tried *cough cough* Espresso, SDK ICS, SDK Honeycomb,... :D

Has anyone seen John Connor?