yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
I ran it yesterday on my daughters crappy and its impressive for about 30 min and then its lime...ok? That's it?....just seems to me to be a themed up version of android with some ui enhancements but wasn't as in awe as I thought I would be...just my opinion
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
Edit....lol...cappy
[Samsung Infuse 4G] rxnelson:
It is pretty quick on the cappy? My buddy put it on his and I played with it a bit today. I didn't notice any lag. In the end aren't all the roms the same though? Scroll to what you want, press, and it opens.

I'm not sure where we go from there? It can read my retina and I flick my eyes around to scroll. Roll eyes to open? Not trying to sound like a ****....I'm just saying they all seem to work the same way. I'm just tired of being left behind.

Hey dman and other devs, care to chime in? Is this a pipe dream or is it possible for the infuse?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] harrythescorpion:
+1 im in for a donation too. i am also tired of being left behind in this race of android builds.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
yeah nothing wrong with froyo. i only run the leaks to satisfy my need to flash and try something new, also i like the launcher that loops. but i would love to see cm9 so i can unlock my phone with my face and laugh at the iphail sheeple who thought they were getting that feature 6months ago.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] rxnelson:
GB leaks have had some fixes that I have enjoyed. The notification on exchange email now seems to increment correctly. On Froyo it would say 5 emails open it up and have 20. Most improved is the wifi. I work in a multiwap environment and Froyo constantly failed on it. I would have to manually turn wifi on and off multiple times a day if I moved around. I would drive 30 miles home and it would still say it was connected to work. GB has helped with that but it isn't perfect. Gonna get killed here.....my old iphone 3g handles it better. I think it may be an Android or Samsung bug. My buddy has gs2 and he says his has issues where he has to toggle wifi. Anyway, for me Froyo sucks in comparison and I hope to say the same about GB if we get ICS.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] mcmb03:
I would be willing to throw some money towards this. The condition is, that I'd only donate after a successful WORKING port.

I've donated before, but only to see it go down the drain so I'm not looking to donate towards something that we'll never see. By working, I mean everything working HDMI and Blutooth. If that means we need to donate more, we can work on finding more funds. I hate to be like this on such a generous community, but I don't have the skillset needed to do this myself or even really help with any of the coding needed, so I want to help in ways that I can, i.e. a donation, and beta testing. It really upsets me that such a great phone has seen such little love on these forums, and I'd hate to see it die without a working ICS port.

It seems most devs are flocking to the phones with ICS now, and while yeah, sure, Froyo works fine on our devices, GB leaks work fine except for HDMI and Blutooth, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here who likes to have the latest and greatest. If there's no hope for the Infuse getting ICS, again, I'm fairly certain I won't be the only one looking to upgrade to a phone that does have support.

Now these are just my personal thoughts and feelings, which I completely entitle everyone to their own, so flame me by PM if you disagree or w/e so I can ignore you. If you agree, lets try to figure something out to get this more noticed, like getting this thread onto the portal as a call to devs, but after we get a fairly good bounty in place (one where we'd actually get some interest).
[Samsung Infuse 4G] LinuxBozo:
And here's my thoughts on the whole thing, and why bounties like this always rub me the wrong way.

1. Providing a "bounty" for something only promotes a division of resources, not cooperation. Lets face it, the human condition promotes greed. Why share when I can get it all. This will split people up rather than bring them together to pool their collective knowledge.

2. I get that people are willing to pay for something that works, but the whole, "I'm holding out for a 100% working product" is just unrealistic. Look at CM7. Plenty of people are happy with that in it's current state, even though it's not 100%. Oh, and most folks who said they would donate when it was off the ground never did. Just saying. Also, developers working on ICS will run into the exact same issues as I did with CM7. Lack of proper source and fighting issues getting proprietary bits working in a complete open source solution.

3. Do you really want a developer who is motivated by the promise of money working on the product, rather than the ones who are doing it because they are passionate about it for the challenge itself?

Yes, as a developer my time is valuable. I get that some people appreciate that. But I've also seen time and time again people get burned by their good will around here and would hate to see it happen again.

So my opinion, and my opinion alone, keep your money. Have a bit of patience. Throwing money at a problem never works out the way you expect.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ltilt2:
What he said.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zmattmanz:
Very well written and I agree with the core of many aspects of what you wrote. However, I think these points greatly overgeneralize humanity and motivation, where our issue here is perhaps a little more down to Earth.

To respond:

1. As I see it, right now there aren't as many developers on this forum compared to others, nor is there any project going on to port ICS to the Infuse. I'm not sure if it comes from lack of developers or simply the sheer scale and difficulty of porting ICS or other reasons that I can't think of.

What I do know is that there doesn't seem to be any public coordination and effort to accomplish this goal. In the Vibrant Forums, it came together organically. Here it isn't. Which is why I think we need to create something to coordinate both developers and non-developers with the collective goal of making this happen.

This isn't a Gorden Gecko "Greed is good argument." Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't. The fact remains that neither you nor I can homogenize motivation for everyone in a single keystroke.

2. I'm not sure that difficulty of porting Ice Cream Sandwich counts as a no vote for a bounty -- it seems like it even seems to warrant providing one even more. I imagine that most of the developers here are like me in that they have probably 10 different projects going on at once not including family, work, life and everything else and that the idea of adding another lengthy project on to their plate seems daunting.

Again, the point of me starting this thread was to start coordination, which doesn't seem to be happening now. Or, if it is, to see how we as non-developers can help, assist, support -- whatever. If there's any collective knowledge being transferred, the vast majority of us don't know it, which means that everyone is already divided.

As far as completing the project to 100% I agree that's it is an issue because were, in my opinion, basically freelancing out a project to someone. I think we would have to come up with some specific objectives beforehand (informed by input from people like you) of what is realistic and what isn't for a port at this point.

3. I really don't care whether a developer enjoys the challenge of working on Ice Cream Sandwich anymore than I care if the guy who changes the oil in my car things that 10W-30 is a neat-o oil weight. I really just want the end result. Nor does that mean that because people do things for money that they don't care about the work they do.

Porting Ice Cream Sandwich is not a morally lofty endeavor in and of itself.

My point is that I'd like to either:

1. Hear that this can't happen.

2. Hear that this can't happen right now.

3. Start the wheels to make it happen eventually.

Happening quite a large part of this plan.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] xIC-MACIx:
1. Uhhh...two different ppl said that they were, in fact, working on ICS for us.

And I PMed you to check on what the latest was, I'm ready to help get word out or whatever. This particular sub-forum is no where near as organized as others, as you can tell. Expecting the members here to spontaneously come together is a pipe dream, someone has to take the initiative...

2. Yes the devs that do work on it will have similar issues that all our devs have had.

One problem is we have ppl that hang around only to download, not contribute, and then ask for help when they brick.

3. I think Linux is referring to the fact that past money raising efforts haven't gone so well and it would be better if an actual Infuse owner could do it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zmattmanz:
People are porting ICS? Who knew! I might have missed it but I haven't seen anyone chime in about it on this thread. Then maybe this should be a discussion on how to assist or support them?

That's what this is about -- taking the initiative. I'm great at coordination and, like others, I want to help. And we need developers like LinuxBozo to give us his input because it is helpful and contributes to the discussion, as well as, people that either want to donate, assist, or help make this happen or people to say "Hey, Dumbass, this is a horrible pipedream idea."

I'm tired of seeing mopey threads about "I hope we get Gingerbread or ICS for Christmas" that ready to murder themselves over things they can't change. That mess is useless.

Instead, we need sexy proactive threads that actually ask what we can affect and what we can't.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] xIC-MACIx:
Dev one...posted a couple pages back in this thread.

Dev two...posted right after the above.

I agree, people do mope too much around here. We need to instead see what Jefffeely and AJerman "need" to get ICS to us. Jeff even expressed that a bounty would help (highlighted it for you so you don't miss it! :D Lol)

Bottom line, I see the light at the end of the tunnel and it looks like...it's covered in....ice cream? :eek:)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zmattmanz:
Haha, Thank Gawd. I'm starting a new bounty for you to highlight parts of posts that apparently I can't see. :D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
I agree with Linux...bottom line...we dev because we love it and it makes us happy to make others happy and to see the finished product....we don't dev to the highest bidder...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jefffeely:
Hey cool I'm Dev One hahahaha

I just wanted to chime in again and say that I'm doing this regardless of a bounty. I love my Infuse and I want it to work the way it should work. That is my main drive.

The main appeal of a bounty is that it is easier for me to make the excuse of putting *more* time into this project if there is the possibility of money at the end of the tunnel. I am a small business owner who has to make ends meet and that doesn't happen by working on a hobby. I also like the idea of a bounty because that way there is no harm done if there is never any end result.

I am planning on sharing as much as I can so that others can work towards getting things going. I'm not a selfish.

I am making pretty good progress on my Nexus4g AOSP ROM, and expect to start working on integrating the build portions for the Infuse some time in the next couple of days. Once I get to that point I have no idea how much time it is going to take. It depends on how long it takes me to get past the issues Linuxbozo and Entropy mentioned.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] theROMinator:
@ jefffeely thanks bro!

Happy holidays :)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] xIC-MACIx:
Lol I listed you two in the order you posted :)

I agree, to make things easier on you, I would contact AJ to see if you guys could work together, from what I've read, fixes for the problems you will encounter is no walk in the park unfortunately :(
[Samsung Infuse 4G] rxnelson:
1. I understand what you are saying but that really wasn't my intent. I may be naive but I didn't think any one person could get this up and running by themselves. I may be totally wrong but I assumed a team would be needed and said team would have their own rules for splitting up any earnings. Again, probably naive on my part but I assumed it would be the "regulars" building the rom like you, entropy, dman, big fau, maybe a return by gtg and mikey. I didn't even consider someone would try to be a one-man show. (Who needs that headache?) I work in the medical industry and we share our system 'secrets' for the greater good of the patients even though we are competing against each other. That is kind of the idea I was going with.

2. I intentionally said 100% working for 2 reasons. I thought it would dissuade people from giving us something that didn't work and expect a big donation. (I think there is a gs2 ics rom that has no mic, no wifi, and something else missing. They aren't asking for money I'm just saying technically it is an ics rom.) The second reason would be that someone like you would come in and say no, a2dp, hdmi, x, y, and z won't work and we could have those realistic expectations set. In all honestly, I didn't think cm9 would swoop in and fix all the outstanding things you have with cm7 but since I admittedly don't really know I thought I would go to the the experts.

3. Again, I assumed it would be the regulars that we already know and have some trust in and know they have the passion. Why not show some gratitude? I'm sure you guys get tired of, "I got rainbows, I lost root, Bluetooth audio doesn't work, my sd card isn't recognized.....

I'm not trying to offend or anything by offering the cash. I also realize that is a slippery slope because you may feel some obligation to support since it isn't "free" anymore. I just have nothing else to offer. My knowledge of android os is zero and my spare time is close to that. How about some spare cpu cycles? :) If clicking the thanks button is all you want for ICS then I will do that. In all honesty, I have been contemplating the gsm nexus from expans sys just cuz it pisses me off that I think they have gotten 2 or 3 updates in a matter of weeks and we are still technically on froyo. Then to top it off the nexus s is getting ics. Then I started thinking if I was going to spend $700 on that why not just make the infuse better.

Anyway, I hope you feel less rubbed in the wrong way and more in the right way...errr that didn't come out right. :)

@jefffeely and AJerman and any devs I forgot no disrespect by not mentioning you. I am just not familiar with your work or followed you much on the forums.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ltilt2:
Looks like u wrote a book here.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MikeyMike01:
This thread's a freaking novel. :O

Sent from my SGH-I897
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jmatt78:
This thread is pointless guys people have said they are working on it. I know this for a fact as I'm in contact with a dev waiting on a beta to test for him. Be patient everyone. Money isn't everything to some
[Samsung Infuse 4G] theROMinator:
extrinsic motivation < intrinsic motivation

:)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] mcmb03:
I don't care whether or not people do this for a bounty or the love of the phone, I'm donating to whoever help bring this to our phone
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
My input:

I agree with LinuxBozo. Putting a bounty can only hurt the effort. It will cause the effort to be divided.

Second is:

The current terms of the bounty are unrealistic. Anyone with the technical skills to make forward progress is also going to know that this bounty will NEVER be claimed and thus won't be motivated to work on it in any way, shape, or form by the bounty. If it isn't working in CM7 where we have access to a complete set of vendor-proprietary binaries for the same Android base version, what makes you think it has ANY chance whatsoever of working in CM9, where the ABIs for many vendor-proprietary binaries have changed, making them useless for CM9.?

If you really must insist on bounties - make realistic milestones rewarding partial functionality.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] EXPERIMENT:
But if it's in my belly then...nevermind, I thought about where that would end up. lol.

X,

Sent from Mt. Olympus
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zmattmanz:
I had never really intended any of the current, active developers to be part of the bounty but new developers so that I can get ICS on my phone faster. Anywho, it's clear to me that not that many people have interest in supporting a bounty and active developers wouldn't think of taking a dime for working ICS and that developing for the "highest bidder" is just terrible, so this is dead as far as I'm concerned.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jonas3d:
+1 I would gladly help in anyway to get ICS to the infuse. I don't think this would be too hard. Especially Samsung has open sourced a lot of its code.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ryanscool:
New devs? Heck no man linux is working on it along with a few others (pms a long time ago) anyway it will come through cm9, then development will probably kick up. This bounty may be done though lol but having more friends can be a great gift ha.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] foster626:
i can work on development

i can work on development i have it all set up on my computer and ill be trying ASOP first i will release as soon as i have something ... no promises no ETAs...just hope.. if you feel so inclined ill take a donation. Yes i have low posts but i was into iphone hacking before i got this wonderful phone and i would love to have ics myself and i believe i can do it so ill get back to you all if i produce anything good.

i can has donation?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Clark Joseph Kent:
+1, Yerp, would like to see and run it....
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
This thread still here??
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Clark Joseph Kent:
Yerp, btw thanks for the efforts and work....been testing and running ROMs, it is drug...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] The Jack of Clubs:
make it so...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ryanscool:
Once i see a rom from you ill be donating :). It can be tough.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] mejori:
+1 .. i would bounty up!!!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] welchertc:
+1

I just installed ICS on my dad's cappy, and its super buttery smooth and very visually pleasing. The cappy was mine before I got the infuse, and I would say that ICS is smoother than any rom I ever ran on the cappy over the year or so that I had it. He let me use it for the day, and now I can't wait for us to get it! I think it will make our phones unbelievably beastly.

I know the devs aren't much for a bounty, but I would donate some money once a stable release is out for sure.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] hattrickinc:
Here's a silly question, but I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering.

..what is involved with getting ICS to work on our infuse? I mean, if no one has touched it yet, then it's pretty hard I'm assuming? What's hard about it?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
Oh its been touched...I assure you...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] crash822:
I believe it involves making a new kernal with lib and drivers that have to be made by the developer. Seeing as how the infuse has weird hardware compared to say the captivate, it takes longer. I'm sure I could be wrong on some parts as well as missing other aspects to why we don't have it as I'm a newb with this stuff.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jesi.james:
Out of context, that sounds shockingly disturbing lol

Anyways, if ics is ever to happen, I would give the person responsible my ever undying gratitude and revere them with more respect than I would ever give to my bald headed school principle lol

Froggys go ribbet :D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
it takes a dev with a good understanding of pretty much everything to get the job done. the galaxy s line uses a kernel with initramfs and other androids use a boot.img partition for startup. understanding just the startup proceedure is a big part to making it work. then there is the hardware support end of things. drivers and libs all have to communicate.

the biggest difference between the infuse and the captivate in this is that the captivate can run an i9000 kernel and the differences in the kernel to make something 100% captivate compatible are well known. the i9000 has a ton of devs and the cm team develops on the galaxy s line. they don't have an infuse. and the infuse doesn't run a galaxy s compatible kernel our phone wont even boot on an i9000 kernel. so even with so much work already done on similar phones there are still major holdups in porting it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] hattrickinc:
Alright..

my day to day job involves a lot of project management, so maybe we can put together a thread with someone who can break down the different parts needed, and then we can assign someone to tackle each part (read: pay upon completion)

but the question becomes

What are the chances Samsung will give us ICS?

When do we think that could happen?

What is SO different about ICS, that we can't just build it into our ROMS?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
The ABIs for the vendor-proprietary "blobs" like libaudio.so changed from GB to ICS. So many of these "blobs" that worked in GB don't work in ICS.

Plus some of the proprietary "blobs" are so hacked up and mangled by Samsung that they can't even be interfaced to properly with AOSP code for the same Android version without massive reverse engineering efforts.

See Bluetooth on CM7 as an example.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ryanscool:
For the samsung question: (i just asked a tech girl lol.)

Pearlie: Hi, thank you for contacting Samsung Technical Support. How may I help you today?

Visitor: Hello I have an infuse and I am wondering if it will receive Ice Cream Sandwich?

Pearlie: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.

Pearlie: We are unable to speculate when/if this software revision might be available due to the fact that this might lead to inaccurate information and confusion. Should this become available, it will be posted on our website in the Samsung Download Center or you will be informed by your service provider. Please feel free to check with us periodically for updates.

Pearlie: I apologize for the inconvenience caused.

Gave no direct answers, ahh really makes me mad. They should just give us an answer.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] theraffman:
Considering we still don't have an official gb... I would say an ics release from Samsung is pretty far in our future, I'm sure my upgrade will be up and ill have a new phone by the time they release it. I'm not holding my breathe, and so far im pretty disappointed with Samsung's lack of support for our phone. I feel they should have included a disclaimer with this phone.

" Buyer beware : this phone is simply a filler, we have no plan to develop or support it in the future and the infuse will be branded as the red headed step child of the GS family. If you have any hope to have up to date software then DO NOT BUY THIS PHONE... you will be dissapointed." - The Management

All jokes aside, I hope for the best, but am not expecting much.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] bignate78:
Really? You expected an answer already?

Try asking about gingerbread and youll get the same answer! !

Even the captivate which is just older than the infuse and still doesn't have GB and they give the same answer for that.

So in hindsight its pretty stupid to even ask about ics yet

Big Dog Infuse I997 ZEUS rom!!!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Ryanscool:
Haha i know, i just asked because i had some spare time and did not want to play my xbox aby longer and i was checking my grades so i just decided to open another window and ask lol.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zsolti256:
Who is a really pro ROM-kernel porter? Lets try to contact someone at CyanogenMod and ask directly if we donate an Infuse Would He Try porting cm9 to it.

What do you think? I see all these pessimistic reply from devs here, I think asking wont hurt anyone! Better than saying , "that will never work, or no point in doing that"
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
Been there done that... cyanogen( who works for samsung now) does not want anything to do with supporting the infuse due to its difficult hardware. We even offered to donate an infuse to them and still no go...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zsolti256:
I take it He wasn't working for Samsung at the time.

Maybe now he could get some information or documentation, or driver or something of that nature that could help porting?