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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Tegra 3+ is the supposed Smartphone SoC. Perhaps HTC made a mistake by including Tegra 3 in HTC One X. Either way, that's got to be annoying for OEMS....

Speaking of which, Tegra 3+ is supposedly due in late 2012..

Which flagship phones are released towards the end of the year? Well, if you exclude Motorola phones & Galaxy phones...

And as far as Motorola is concerned, we know.. at least so far.. know that they are going with Intel & TI. Also, if the rumors are true... Google is going with Samsung again for the next Galaxy phone (with Jellybean).

So, I have to wonder.. which flagship phone will carry Tegra 3+?? Will HTC partner with Nvidia again .. or perhaps.. Lenovo (but they hardly make a dent outside of China in mobile business... & their recent phones are released with Intel single-core medfield SoC)??? Sony?? Panasonic (not a major player outside of Japan in phone market)???
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
haha.. man, you need to get this Dark Meadow. The graphics are top notch(maybe can even say console quality). I thought the Ipad version was good. this one blows it away. I'm noticing alot more details and special fx not present in Ipad version. like particle fx, plants and curtains have realistic movement to the wind. damn, this game looks really good and a perfect example of what we talking about how nvidia is using their graphics patents to make game look sick! The graphics are VERY DETAILED. play it with superips+ on also. all the graphics n details will pop more. I'm really impressed with how good this game looks so far. its so good, I haven't even played more than a few seconds and had to let you know how great it looks. The graphics in this look even better than ShadowgunTHD, IMO. If this is more of a taste of the type quality games we can experience with tegra3 then I'm hooked on Nvidia..lol. just wait till BladeSlinger drops

I do realize this. I was just thinking about this before you posted it. Nvidia will need to fix out these kinks asap. especially with all these other tablets with their chip about to release. I'm optimistic they can get it done. but you're right, it won't look good. I hope for their sake it does because if all this hype about tegra4 and gpu being keplar based holds true, then it can skyrocket nvidia to success. even other manufacturers had chips with issues and people still went with them. One X hasn't failed yet. its way to early for that assumption yet. even with some units having issues.

Nvidia will pull it together. They have no choice if they want to succeed in Android and stay competitive.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Mmmm, def. wrong thread nor do I feel like creating a new thread. So.. anyways...

http://androidcommunity.com/nintendo-wii-u-rumors-run-wild-talks-of-android-integration-20120426/

That should make Google smile & perk up.. if it holds true.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that is very interesting. crazy thing is, lately there have been talks of how poorly Nintendo has been doing in the home console scene. I've seen on some sites talk of how Nintendo should just give up on the hardware side of things and just make games, for android or Xbox, possibly. I think it would be a great idea to see Nintendo games officially on android. they would sell like hotcakes. especially all these people in this forum who got mad at me when I said Nintendo or Pokemon is kiddy stuff. lol. I'd love to play new Mario, Zelda, metroid games, etc..on my prime. all I have now to recreate that experience are my several different emulators. the snes one runs really well. along with my Neo Geo one. If Nintendo were to stick to straight software or possibly even make peripherals for android, they would be successful again.

I also heard Sony released some xperia PS games to not be exclusive to Experian anymore. I not sure if that means now android devices can download those Sony games. we could only hope so.

on another note, that wii remote thing looks ugly though..lmfao
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
You know, that notion is up to debate. Nintendo has done well with Nintendo Wii (it is only in last yr or so that their h/w division started suffer) compared to Xbox 360 and PS 3. MS & Sony sold both of their device with heavy loss.. & it isn't til recently that they are seeing some profit with both devices being touted as ALL-IN-ONE device for your home.

Nintendo made some good profit during the early & middle of this console era with Nintendo Wii (the whole Wii Sport craze & etc.. targeting different demographic over MS/SONY & they actually made money from selling their console). Even on console market share, in overall perspective.. Nintendo Wii did well (just that, ppl stopped purchasing games & stopped playing Wii games starting last year).

I honestly don't see any reason for Nintendo to drop hardware (nor do I want them to). However, I do think it'll be great for Nintendo to partner with Google & perhaps even compete with Sony/MS on specification war. Will also gain extra "3rd" party support by teaming up with Google.. IMO.

Anyways, I was ready to give up on Android (disappointed with Google & ICS really....) once Windows 8 drops... but, if this rumor holds true.. it means I will continue to invest in Android products.. since.. am simply Loyal to Nintendo .. & enjoy Nintendo content (mainly by Shigeru Miyamoto). I hardly play games, but I grew up with Nintendo & I continue to support Nintendo =)

Btw, Dark Meadows look good... but current console quality?

More like around PS2 range... the jagged areas (lack of poor anti-aliasing) & etc... hehe. Either way, interesting game...

Edit: Actually.. I'm very loyal to Nintendo & Squaresoft.. hehe

Anyways.. wonder what has happen to Sony Playstation Certification across selected Android device...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
BTW, someone scoffed *cough* at my suggestion that SONY is doing a lot to help Android & Android community... by being part of the forums and etc (over Asus and such)...

well...

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-rollouts-you-might-be-surprised-whos-on-top/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
good find. i see now. But Honestly, they need to be. All their recent tablets have bombed. so they need to do something right...lmfao what better way than to contribute to android aosp. Sony and Asus method is different though but regardless, both are helping Android and the community one way or another. more need to follow in their footsteps.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Eh, I think Sony Tablet S is actually a quality 1st gen. tablet. The design was unique (thus the split in opinion) but for everything else it goes.. it was top notch compared to any other 1st gen. Android tablet. It only bombed because Sony joined extremely late to Android tablet market with inflated price... & extremely poor marketing as well. =/

Oh, and personally.. not taking a swipe at you (since we clearly know your love for Asus)... but I'm not sure what exactly Asus has done. Asus has PR/marketing guy in XDA forum to .. well.. to cover their tracks. If you exclude GPS dongle... Asus hasn't done anything to resolve many of the issues with Prime since launch.

The only way Asus can help Android/Google is by releasing Android products (without so much flaws) & gaining/stealing tablet market share from Apple. However, based on the poor launch of Transformer Prime (& the continued lack of inventory)..... it hasn't exactly panned out for Asus.

Sony has done some amazing stuff with XDA/Dev community (I should note, even Samsung's devs participated in some form.. just not to the degree of Sony).. and it isn't their marketing ppl.. but actual Devs and engineers. You don't see that with Asus (at least not that I know of.. & even their unlock bootloader tool is poor)...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
When they're not ostracising developers for an icon or for restoring promised, paid-for features :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
First review of Intel's single-core medfield SoC(x86) phone.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone

More or less, impressed by overall performance of the x86 SoC compared to ARM SoC counterparts...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that was a good read. it definitely looks to be competitive overall. Only thing i didn't like was the gpu used. while it was good, almost all gpu tests showed it trailing by alot behind tegra3 and S4. Overall, looks like Intel is coming into the smartphone scene pretty well prepared.

I'm more interested in how their chip will perform in tablets. These chips always seem to perform differently in phones and tablets. Usually the tablet version is more powerful or implemented better. I know they said a much more powerful gpu will be implemented in win 8 tablets that will be direct X 3D compliant. Intel roadmap looked good also. very interested to see that 14nm process once they get there.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Eh, I'm not too worried about the GPU performance. PowerVR is last years GPU & it was being compared to Adreno 225 and Tegra 3...

Either way, Win 8 tablets will feature dual-core SoC & of course.. the biggest feature for me is that it is x86. I don't have to deal with locked bootloader (well, at least not yet)...

It should be interesting either way... can't wait to see how Moto phones perform .... It doesn't matter if GPU/CPU has the highest benchmark for me.. as long as it is competitive to ARM competition.. it'll be just fine. x86 + Windows 8 will be unrivaled in "functionality".... =)

I never got into Android dev (played around with it a bit but.... that's about it).. but once Win 8 tablets are released.. looks like i'll be busy!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Just an update from Paul O'Brien's twitter account comparing the two HTC One X. He runs MoDaCo, a prominent cell phone site

"Spoiler: the S4 One X is my favourite - its fast, feels smoother, has better battery life and runs cooler. Shame about the 16GB tho!"
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Find some tegra4 news..lol s4 isn't even out or wont be out anytime soon for tablets. so I'm not worried about it. I'm sure its a decent chip but ill take a tegra 3 over that dual core anyday ;) by the time it makes it to tablets, itll be too late and be outdated or surpassed already. new refresh of tegra 3 aka T3+ is due to release end of Q2/beginning of Q3. tegra4 is q4/ Q1 of 2013
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Oh cmon man, why did you edit that part out of your post where you completely didn't know your devices??? What was that again? you said that only the One S had the S4 processor and the One X had tegra and therefore Paul didn't even know his devices???

anyway...Here's what Anand from Anandtech had to say about the Tegra3 vs S4 comparison:

"For those of you wondering about the Snapdragon S4 vs. Tegra 3 comparison, the answer is pretty simple. It's very difficult to tell the performance difference between these two SoCs in day to day usage. Qualcomm has the scalar performance advantage, while NVIDIA has the heavily threaded performance advantage. On the GPU side, there's likely an NVIDIA advantage there as well. However in practice, you'd be hard pressed to tell the international (Tegra 3) One X and AT&T (S4) One Xes apart based on performance. Battery life however is a different story entirely. Today, the AT&T One X offers tangibly better battery life than the international version. There are software updates on the way for the One X (Tegra 3) that may narrow the gap, but we'll have to wait and see."

So pretty similar real world performance, but way battery life?? AWESOME

and from Michael of mobileburn.com:

"It turns out, though, that NVIDIA's LTE woes worked out in the U.S. market's favor - and in a big way. The dual-core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor that is in the AT&T One X is flat out better. It's faster in all benchmarks, runs cooler, and offers better battery life.

Wipe away those tears, geek-boy (thats you demandarin!! :p). This One X is even better than the European version I reviewed a short while ago, which pretty much makes it the best high-end smartphone available on the market today"

OHHHHH MYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Didn't we go over this?

1. T3+ = Smartphone SoC .... so, since you care about TABLETS... this whole T3+ is irrelevant in your own thread. Or.. are you going to inform me that OEMs are now creating T3+ tablets by end of Q2/Q3??

2. Good luck with Nvidia actually holding up to this "supposed" release date/period that you keep bringing up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
another failed attempt.lol S4 is losing because it has manufacturing issues.

i already posted a review and benchmarks showing tegra3 beating out the One S. its a few posts/pages back.

all of that doesnt even matter anyways. Like i said over a month ago, the shortage of qualcomm s4 chips will affect all future devices coming out. i dont care about phone market. Im into tablets. What im about to link is the reason why we wont see any S4 chips in tablets for a loooonnnng time. So qualcomm dropped the ball. by the time they recoup and get this chip out in large numbers, itll be too late.

so we can easily expect the 4g s4 version of the Infinity pad to be delayed by a long time. ill be surprised if i even see one tablet release with S4 chip in it. by december, its already outdated once the Samsung and Nvidia new chip drops. you forgeting tegra4 will have 5(same 4+1 setup as in tegra3) cortex 28nm A15 cpu processors with a likely keplar based gpu. Do you honestly think that a dual core A15 will outperform 5 A15 cpu? lol

you have to come harder than that buddy. all this phone stuff you keep showing means nothing to me. SHOW ME A TABLET WITH S4 , THATS BENCHMARKED & THEN COMPARE IT TO A TEGRA3 TABLET. plus our tegra3 games will always look better than any other android version anyways.

until you can produce a tablet with S4, i suggest you fall back and regroup on a new gameplan. TEGRA3 IS STILL KING OF ANDROID TABLETS...who cares about a dang phone...lol a phone is a phone. a tablet is way cooler and can do more. Phones are childs play. tablets is where the adults play at ;)

almost forgot, heres the link: http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/5/1/2991320/asus-padfone-delay-snapdragon-shortage
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
because that Wall E guy, lol, keeps bringing up dang phone specs or reviews...i could care less about phones. my dual core moto atrix still performs great with its tegra2. i dont need the most powerful phone. i need the most powerful android tablet, which is Tegra3 ;)

edit: i say unless someone has some real deal info, tablet wise, its best to let this go till then. Tegra3 is top dog in android tablets and no disputing that fact. until another chip comes to dethrone it, everything else is small talk.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. S4 SoC shortage due to HIGH DEMAND. This is a problem I'm sure Nvidia wants to face...

HTC One X (S4 phone in US) & HTC One XL (S4 phone in Europe)... NOT HTC ONE S

Samsung is due to release Samsung Galaxy SIII this month, with S4 included for American release. This phone alone will sell 1mil+ on release....

So yea.. shortage due to HIGH DEMAND.....

Btw, since S4 phone is doing well against Tegra 3 phone... that's some "base" for people to argue/opine that same "performance" will carry over to tablets. I think this is reasonable opinion/prediction/hypothesis.

2. S4 has quad-core variant to be released... & guess what.... around the same time as your supposed Tegra 4 release date (which most likely is Wayne). So, Qualcomm isn't exactly losing their balls ....

3. Qualcomm hardly entered Android tablet market (unless it is 3G/4G) & I think this will continue. Story will change with Windows 8 tablets.... Qualcomm is seriously taking Win 8 tablets, so..... you might see Qualcomm S4 Win 8 tablet vs. Tegra 3 Android tablet benchmark comparisons.

Although.. I think that benchmark will be useless as... OEMs will create Tegra 4 (grey version) Win 8 tablets. So, it'll be like..

Tegra 4 (grey) vs S4 quad-core krait Win 8 tablets.

Tegra 4 (wayne)/Tegra 3 vs S4 whatever-variant 3g/4g Android tablet.

4. No known device of Tegra 4 either. Not a single benchmark for Tegra 4 as well =)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
the shortage isn't due to high demand..lmfao they even came out and publicly said they are having problems with 28nm manufacturing process. there may be high demand but that's not the reasons for delays. like i said before, any talk of qualcomm is moot because they don't have a single new chip in any tablet.

no one is worried about their quad core variant. tegra4 will be 5 cores. 5 28nm A15 cortex CPU. ill go with nvidia on the next go around. Nvidia already looks to have 2012 in the bag, tablet wise. i don't care how many phones projected to sell. Show me something with tablets using that chip. hold up, there is none..lmfao

even samsung dropped the ball by disappointing their users with a 32nm dual core and quad core to release later. they obviously changed from their original 28nm versions. so not really worried about samsung also as their announcement was already disappointing, according to user posts and tech sites. Nvidia still holds all the hype. none of these other chips are praised or talked about as much as Tegra3.

all of this is beating a dead horse. until a tablet releases with a new chip, we just going in circles.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
I'm telling you guys you all missed the original post by demandyboy here before edited it out. He didn't even know that there were two versions of the one x and mocked the person I linked to because of his ignorance

Anyway with the reviews of the north American one x now out of embargo, its very clear; S4 is equal to tegra3 with much better battery life and runs cooler to boot.

Nvidia needs to spend less time making pretty PowerPoint presentations and actually execute.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i know there are different versions. the one X, the one S, and the one XL. it was pointless anyways. if that's your best jab then you failed. TEGRA3 IS KING OF TABLETS...you keep bringing up phone b.s. your s4 comparisons doesn't even apply to tablets because there are no tablets with it. IS THAT SO HARD TO COMPREHEND? `think about "TABLETS" before you post. any phone crap will easily be shot down. I have no reason to continue this until you come with something relevant, tablet wise. you want to talk phones, go sing that sad story in One X forum.

end of story.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
How did Samsung drop the ball? People knew the existence of Exyno 4 (32nm quad/dual) & 5 ( 28nm 2.0ghz dual-core). People talked about the possibility of seeing Exyno 5 in SGIII... but the whole rumor of Exyno 5 is to be used on the rumored 11.6 in. tablet.

Exyno 4 was always 32nm... it is old news. People are just disappointed that SGIII won't have Exyno 5. Btw, both Exyno 4 & 5 prototype were in display & shown at CES (something you can't say about Tegra 4.. except.. behind the curtains supposedly).

http://androidandme.com/2012/02/news/samsung-demos-quad-core-exynos-processors-we-drool/

quote from that article:

"Recently got we got chance to see the Exynos 5250 in action at CES, on a tablet running Android 4.0. Again I speculated that this part could be used in the rumored Galaxy Tab 11.6, and we are still waiting to see what happens."

And more on Exyno 5.. and HKMG battery saving tech:

http://androidandme.com/2012/03/news/a-closer-look-at-samsungs-killer-2-ghz-exynos-5250/

And seriously, how is Tegra SoC getting more HYPE over others? I think other SoC (Exyno, S4, TI OMAP 5) are getting just as much hype & media attention as Tegra 4 from Tech enthusiasts.

Edit: And yea, Exyno 5 series is going on mass production on Q2 of this year supposedly. We know nothing about Tegra 4 .. & whatever.. except from their power point presentation (as in.. nothing about going into mass production and etc).

Sure, delays for some device (most likely to devices that aren't guaranteed to make them a lot of money). But they are certainly providing S4 SoC to OEMs or devices that are considered "flagship".. or to devices that's just going to sell a lot, and make them money based on past history.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
im done for now until new info or a new tablet drops with a new chip in it. All you have to do is look at Anandtech preview of all new chip architecture that's going to be released and see which one he is most excited about. even said to be better than intel offering and any other chip that has yet to release. he said tegra4 will be far more advanced than any mobile chip he has seen or heard about yet. HINT: its tegra4 :) If we talk present day, Tegra3 rules tablets. if we talk future, tegra4 rules..lmao you might as well give up now or at least until a decent competitor releases their chip in a tablet.

this is like a merry go round. but I'm hopping off of it for now. at least you bring up better points though than that other guy. all he keep talking is phone stuff...SMH i think he has his forums mixed up..lol

ill edit the title to reflect Tablet chip discussion.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Btw, that 5 core you are talking about... it is 4+1...

So, really.. it is just Quad-core....

No he didn't. Also, in terms of GPU... possibly.. but not as SoC overall. Also, I seriously doubt all of Kepler will be integrated into Tegra 4 GPU (if it is...) either. Not only is Kepler new to PC, but based on Nvidia's own prediction.. they might catch up to current console in graphic ability by 2014 (Xbox 360 graphic is close to ATI HD 2900 series.. PS3 is close to Nvidia 7900GT series).

So, if I'm being realistic.. some of its power-saving tech from Kepler will be implemented & some ground work/foundation... but that's it....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
4+1=5 lmao there are 5 physical cores. just like tegra3 had 5 physical A9 cores. they went with 4+1 for marketing reasons. still 4 main A9 cores plus a companion A9 core. that's 5. no disputing how many cores there really is when we already seen the schematic of the chipset on various tech sites that show 5 cores. i have a pic of it but shouldn't need to post it to prove already what is a known. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Yea, 5 physical cores. But I still take their 4+1 as marketing BS.... for that whole battery saving tech crap (didn't help them at all for phones)... just as how I take Samsung's HKMG tech whatever.. as marketing BS...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcomm-s4-shortage-could-delay-asus-padfone-20120502/

Quote:

"An Asus spokesperson reportedly said, “I believe [the shortage is] affecting all of Qualcomm’s customers.” I think a lot of us are wondering if the Galaxy S III is the reason there’s a shortage of the S4 processor. We’re expecting a huge launch for that smartphone, and it is said to be using the S4. Perhaps Samsung bought all the stock and blocked competing products from launching. That would be a very smart business move, even though it’s quite irritating people who been waiting for other products such as the Padfone."

High Demand.... & yea, also wouldn't surprise me if Samsung were to act such way. They have the money & means to certainly pull this off (Apple is certainly successful by practicing this way..).

So, the shortage has more to do with HIGH DEMAND over trouble in production.