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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Seriously? If two is good, four must be better. If someone took a poll asking "would you rather have four apples or two?" what do you think the answer would be?

All the way to the bank. And note that Lenovo is outselling both Acer and Asus who didn't make the top 5.

Note that Amazon’s share of the market tumbled to just over 4% in Q1 from 16.8% in Q4, as demand for the Kindle Fire cooled off. Samsung is now the (distant) #2 player in the market, with Amazon third, Lenovo fourth and Barnes & Noble fifth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsav...ablet-sales-fall-sharply-trouble-for-android/

I was in Costco yesterday and they're already stocking (funny how no one but Asus has problems getting stock on shelves) the G-Tab 2 7". If you never saw the original, you'd be pleased with it. It looks kind of cheap comparitively though. It's nicely made and has a gorgeous display. It's $225 for 8GB with a leather case bundled that's worth about $20. About half the units on the POP were gone so I'm assuming it's selling well.

Based on the 2's not having Exynos that points to the Espresso's most likely being real and Samsung's high-end device(s). If they have HD displays and are $100ish more than the 2's they'll probably do well. Samsung's a premium brand, you can't think they're going to give up the high-end of the market and that the 2's are going to be it for 2012.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
apple is the only real "premium" brand. they set the standards and pricing points of tablets, not samsung. no matter how much samsung tablets sold, its only a grain of sand compared to apple. so apple looks at all its competitors the same. no matter is they sold 20million or 1 million tabs. apple looks down on everyone else.

I can easily see those 2 tablets from samsung being it for 2012. they are easily running out of time. Stores are stocked up with the 300 and acer510 model. Then you have toshiba literally about to drop 3 tablets, all tegra3, anyday now. they already set to release. then you the infinity pad coming out overseas this month or june. If the google tablet holds true then we shall see that around june. Samsung doesnt have much time yet. by the time they release, itll be too late to make an impact for this year.

Ill call this year, The Year Samsung swept its tablets under the rug for its phones. plus the way win8 is looking, it wont be out till 2013. they are behind schedule. the 7 in sammy tab might be nice but that 10in. sux. its not worth its price with the sorry specs it has. people will get a 300 or acer or even toshiba over that. why? because you get more for your money. do you think people will pay $400 for an outdated 1ghz dual core sammy tab or pay even less than that for a tegra3 tab with specs that spank it across the board.? Samsung is not apple. it doesnt have the following and loyalty like apple has. Android users are more likely to jump ship if tab is not good or released in time.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Doesn't surprise me. Just for a fact/reason that G Tab 2 10.1 is Samsung device gives the tablet a chance to do well in sales figure... even against the likes of Tegra 3 tablets (and bloated price).

However, it doesn't excuse the tablet for being horrible. Design is same as last year (almost identical) & the hardware specification have hardly changed except the SoC... I honestly can't figure out why they chose TI OMAP 4 over dual Exyno of their own SoC even. GTab 2 10.1 is complete disappointment....

2. Wouldn't surprise me if they are ditching Android Tablet market.... & focus on mid-tier market perhaps (price seems mid-tier over low end). If Samsung is focusing all of their resource into Windows 8... I'll welcome that idea/news with open arms... & this is what I actually prefer from Samsung. If Google is creating Nexus tablet with $200 price range.. it absolutely makes sense for Samsung to follow suit (albeit with slightly higher price) in order for them to meet their sales figure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Huh? They said the 2's would be available in May and they're already on shelves in volume. They announced the SGS3 yesterday and it'll be shipping in three weeks. What makes you think they can't announce the Note 10.1 and/or Espressos in a couple of weeks/months and have them on the shelves shortly thereafter? Just because they haven't shared their future product plans with you personally doesn't mean they don't have any. And I think they have more than enough resources to work on tablets and phones at the same time.

They are considered (by everyone but you) the Android leader in volume, name recognition, and price positioning and share 90% of mobile device profits (which are far more telling than revenue) with Apple. The SGS3 is 20% more than the One X and has half the memory. It'll outsell the One X 2:1. And no matter how many TF200/300/700 Asus makes they aren't going to outsell Samsung in tablets in 2012 because if people have to choose between lesser features and a “Samsung” product they’ll go with the latter. If your theory was correct then Infiniti and Lexus’ sales wouldn’t be ¼ of M-B and BMW. People would rather have a less-equipped BMW than a fully-equipped Infiniti. That’s just how premium branding works. Further, the TF101 was a better value with more features than the G-Tab for all the time they sold side-by-side and people still paid more for the Samsung and bought more of them. Asus will always be "Infiniti" (I'm being kind) to Samsung's "BMW."
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Apple is the only "premium" brand? I bet that was difficult for you admit =P Anyways, Samsung as a whole ENTERPRISE has "premium" image, reputation, and brand. That whole image & reputation carries over to mobile market. Original Galaxy Tab 10.1 for example... had mostly the same h/w compared to all other 1st gen android tablets & yet, it had PREMIUM title and image.

Samsung isn't the leader (yes, Apple is).. but Samsung (along with Sony) does have that "premium" brand/image/reputation...

2. Pad 300 & Acer A510 are in stock but Prime isn't (sorry, had to take a shot at that). Btw, I'm not sure about in your area.. but in my area, they aren't flying off the shelve according to B&M sales people I have talked to in my area (when I was checking out both tablet for fun).

Btw, until Lenovo & HTC actually make a statement.. or whatever, have we finally come to conclusion that only 3 OEMs are creating Tegra 3 tablets? Toshiba & Acer have poor track record when in comes to Android tablet sales... granted, pretty much all 1st gen android tablets were poor in sales. Hopefully it turns around for your sake!! =P

3. I think you need to stay away when it comes to Windows & PC market. I'm going to assume that it isn't one of your area where you have a lot of knowledge.

Btw, Win 8 ARM (WOA) tablets were consistently projected to be released in 1st Qtr of 2013. Windows 8 OS is projected to be released in late summer.. followed by OEMs releasing products that utilizes the OS (such ultrabooks, desktop, and PC Slates).

Win 8 on DESKTOP... is going to have mixed reviews but when it comes to tablets, it'll be different story. My personal opinion.. Win 8 will be "beta" to balance metro & desktop til Win 9 arrives. But on Tablets, it is fluid & functions extremely well... even when you test it using Splashtop HD.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Trust me, i wont forget you said that. lets see at the end of the year if samsung sells more new tablets than tegra3 tablets. I GUAREENTEE THEY WONT. LAST YEARS NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING. THIS IS A NEW YEAR BUDDY, NEW FACTORS TO ADD TO THE EQUATION. So dont disappear come end of the year..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
actually the exact opposite. but desktop/laptop is old tech. I'm more into the new wave of doing things. those are only good for the workplace really. everything is shifting to more mobile. I stay with the trend and move forward, not backwards. like i said, win8 tabs. wont release till 2013. they were originally slated for q4 of this year. tabs are the future. not old school desktops n laptops. which is why ipad is outselling regular forms of computing. HP just recently gained the lead back but it goes to show how much the trend is moving to more mobile solutions. everyone is on the move these days. Mobile users are more active.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Enlighten me. How is dekstop/laptop old tech? Kepler GPU (the one you like so much).. Intel/AMD on 22nm process.. blah blah blah

I'm pretty sure it is few years (perhaps even decade) ahead of anything mobile. Btw, you are talking to PC/Win dev... so.. enlighten me (yes, this is me defending my territory!! =p)

2. Mobile solution.. you mean CLOUD storage? Hmm... wonder how mobile devices get services of that (btw, desktop/laptop can use CLOUD storage as well).

3. Yes, I am chained to a desktop... I can't help it. I work with em =)

Edit: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...irst-smartphone-designed-entirely-by-lawyers/

Good read.. I got a good chuckle out of it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you funny. stop taking everything so literal. I meant more so old way of doing things. You cant deny the trend now is everything to get smaller and more mobile. It doesnt take a genius to see desktops/laptops are more powerful..duh! lol mobile is catching up at a fast rate though. since you in the computer field, you should know this next statement. Mobile tech is advancing at exponential rates no one could even predict. It even defies that one law. forgot the name of it..lol mobile tech is advancing now at a faster rate than its desktop/pc counter part. soon enough, at the rate mobile tech is advancing now, it will be right where conventional methods are. same thing like we've seen in the portable gaming consoles. same thing in phones and tablets considering how powerful they are today compared to past computing devices.

If you a developer, then why n da hell didn't you come up with the solution to fix Asus or Nvidia software issues. lol android is a only a flavor of Linux like the other OS. so you "Should" have some familiarity or knowledge about it. or at least be able to look into the software side of things.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I actually dislike Android (not a fan of Linux either.. remember, i prefer Windows??). I never got into Android side of things.... I touched/played with webOS (of all mobile OS, i like webOS the most).... & I don't have any urge to get into Android.

I hate iOS, but I can tolerate Android.

Btw, mobile tech will never be on par with computing devices. The "core" of mobile stems from PC =)... while it is advancing quickly as PC market has stagnated, PC will always be the most powerful & fastest... even if it is just "one" step ahead.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i forgot to post this up. there are several articles like this across the web. A good look into the disappointment of Samsung & SG3.

They basically summed it up saying, When you on the top, there's very little reason to innovate. They have tried to follow apple model so much now they are becoming them in a sense. all their latest offerings haven't been anything really new or groundbreaking. Just like people feel about the new ipad. Hence the reason for apple small incremental upgrades. I easily see Samsung falling by the wayside, at least in tablets. they are a powerhouse in the phone sector and i actually like alot of thier phones. i love the galaxy note and was thinking about getting one but now i might as well wait since it will be outdated already.

when a company is a smaller player, they have more drive to innovate and be different. I see samsung tablet market share diminishing this year and the trend will continue. As long as you have companies like Asus and Acer trying their hardest to make a good name for themselves.

just like with cars. years ago Hyndai and Kia were nobodies. now they are up there with the big dogs and their newer model cars are actually competitive and even better in some models. it took a while but they got there though. same will happen with the lesser known tablet makers.

www.droid-life.com/2012/05/04/the-galaxy-s-iii-is-a-massive-disappointment-opinion/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Like I said.. Samsung Galaxy SIII is getting different review/preview from North America & rest of the market.

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones-and-apps/samsung-galaxy-s3-review-50006020/ <-- UK (Europe)

http://asia.cnet.com/product/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-46029968.htm <-- Asia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...axy-S3-sets-up-two-horse-race-with-Apple.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/may/04/samsung-galaxy-s3-android-market?newsfeed=true

Heck, some of them even love the design. Amazing how each hemisphere view the phone.. hehe.

Oh..Phones... Tablets... it isn't about hardware specification. Most flagship devices share the same specification except the SoC (android's case). Even the link isn't disappointed by hardware specification...

THIS whole "innovation" or whatever that media/people are disappointed is... DESIGN/LOOK of the device. People/media judge & conclude "innovation" on design.... Not actual feature or even hardware. If you ask me, this is where APPLE has clouded/blinded the media & general public's perception of "innovation". OEMs are pressured to innovate on DESIGN/LOOK instead of features & functionality.....

Btw, I too think new Galaxy III is ugly (especially the back). Not that it matters to me... I still like some of the "practical" innovations they included.. such as proximity sensor.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
7 more days until Nvidia's Q1 earnings call. We'll know what the year's going to look like based on how they guide. If they guide down, for you to be right about the volume created by Toshiba, Acer, and Asus tablets, there's going to be a lot of tablets shipping without processors. ;)

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I think the whole "for humans" umbrella they're using is a way to make what's really an evolutionary device seem revolutionary. In white, it looks like a kids toy. In blue, it looks like the back of the last-gen G-Tab. I wouldn't call it ugly but with all the sensors and lenses it's certainly not a clean looking device. And some of the new features are kind of a stretch. Hold it to year ear while texting and it dials a number? I never found long pressing the contact showing in the text message to be all that stressful.

You can get this for $85...;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
I wondering if theres a huge break in period or learning curve for Tegra3

The reason Im saying this is Ive never really pushed this thing very hard which is probably strange seeing how I've had it since 12/27. Well my laptop went down last week and Im waiting for the new crop so I started using the Prime at home as my primary device. Last week I wiped this thing out and started fresh and more I use it the better its getting.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
The only thing I care about is the platform. I don't care (much) about the hardware. I don't care if Nvidia ships more or less Tegras, or if Samsung ships more or less tabs than Asus.

Somebody called the SGT 2 10 garbage. Why? What apps can the Prime run that the SGT2 can't? Heck, it'll probably have a working GPS and better wifi, along with IR blaster.

Yeah, it could be cheaper. It has hardware I expect of upcoming Amazon 10", ie basically a KFire with 10" screen. Then again, we're talking SRP. TF300 can already be found for $350, and Acer A510 for $400. By fall, both of these along with SGT2 will drop to the 3-mark, same as last year.

Why? There isn't a high-end market for Android tabs. Apple has a virtual lock on HD displays, now a prereq for "high-end" tabs (read: $500+), and iPad competition is stronger this year than last. Meanwhile, Android has only marginally improved with ICS, aka bug-fixed HC. The only thing Android has going is price. Let's all hope Apple has some mercy and won't release a $300 miniPad.

About the OS, strange that we have heard diddly about Jelly. My hope is that Goog takes the "under-promise, over-deliver" marketing maxim to heart. But more likely is that it doesn't want to dampen reception to ICS, which is just now rolling out.

At this point, I've tempered my expectation of Android to the hope that Jell will hit in Q3, so that devices can roll out with it in Q4, in same time frame as Win8. To blaspheme, ICS can't make Android tabs competitive--not against iPad nor Win8. So, along with the hope that Jello will show up, is that it will either have some killer feature, or bone up on basic OS functionality.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gaetanolip:
S4 vs t3 gpu, in real life...

To those users s4 gpu is not fully capable of playing flash player at 1080p nor 1080p hd high profile videos

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1614720 , is it true?

Inviato dal mio Transformer TF101 con Tapatalk 2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i checked that thread out. most of them have trouble playing it with their S4. their gpu seems to be lacking real power. i tried all their tests in there and my prime played the true 1080P & 720P videos, through the browser with no problem. i never realized the browser youtube videos plays the real HD versions. They look way better than playing in the youtube app.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gaetanolip:
So, for me, tegra 3 gpu beats 10 -0 s4 gpu. Why don't blog tech sites check out real performance , such as 1080p flash player and 1080 hd high profile movies playing capabilities rather than showing only useless benchmarks???

Inviato dal mio Transformer TF101 con Tapatalk 2
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
your guess is as good as mines. Real world performance is the best way to tell. thanks for linking that though. From now on i will only watch you tube through the browser since that's the only way it'll show true 720 or 1080P HD videos. I've been watching several of the test videos and they look great on the prime display. especially when you have superips+ enabled.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I'd imagine the Teg3 GPU is in fact better. The 225 is really just a minor update to the 220. But HTC's notoriously bad at optimizing their browsers so it's hard to say if that example is the chip or HTC. Samsung S3 phones blew HTC's away in anything browser related. Once the U.S. SGS3 comes out with S4 that'll be a fairer assessment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Video playback has nothing to do with the GPU. ARM-SoCs have Videodecoder which are used to decode the videos. And Tegra 3 has the best one on the market.

Oh, i thought everybody knows that the youtube app is nothing more than the mobile youtube site...

And that's the reason why we need Flash. The experience and feature set is always the same - no difference between Windows and Android. And with 1200p displays you need 1080p videos.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
well Toshiba just released the first of its 3 new Tegra3 tablets. The Toshiba Excite 10.1 is now for sale. It has a Tegra3, 1280x800 display, gorilla glass, & 1gb DDR3 RAM. the 16 & 32gb are available to buy now. you can also order a 64gb version. The 7in. & the gargantuan 13.3 in. models are also set to release anyday now. The infinity pad is set to release soon & the acer700.

This adds to the list of new Nvidia Tegra3 tablets.

1)Asus Transformer Prime

2)Asus Transformer Pad 300

3)Acer510

4)Toshiba Excite 10.1

As far as Android goes, these Tegra3 tablets are top of the line in power, performance, and battery life. Tegra3 has taken off pretty well. There's no other new chip, available now for Android tablets, that is being used in as many different tablet models. A great year for Nvidia so far at putting their chip out there and leading the Android tablet line with the most Power & longest lasting battery life. More tablets using tegra3 set to release between now & June. Stay tuned!

I really hope that 7in. Tegra3 Google/Asus Nexus tablet turns out to be real. I will get one based on its low price alone. rumors had it set for a June release. we will see what happens.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
The more the merrier. Win win for us

Support support support :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://androidcommunity.com/zte-v96-android-4-0-ics-1-7-ghz-tablet-hands-on-20120508/

Thought ZTE was creating Tegra 3 tablet (according to Demandarin). Not that it matters since ZTE products won't be released outside of China/Taiwan.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
come on now, you think i dont have something for this..lmao check this link...from the same source..plus i have others. matter of fact, ill post that also ;)

http://androidcommunity.com/zte-era-joins-the-quad-core-race-with-tegra-3-20120227/

heres the Icing on the Cake, the ZTE T98(7in.) & ZTE PF100(10 in.)..both using tegra3

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster

plus the model you linked is the ZTE v96..a completely different model. also from qualcomm widely stated admittance of manufacturing issues of 28nm S4, this version wont release anytime soon also. this probably model they releasing with 4g lte support. so they could easily be releasing all 3 models at some point. expect to see tegra3 ones first as tegra3 is widely available now.

so according to "Demandarin", you thought right ;) don't make it a mission to try to disprove something i said...lol i only say stuff if i read it or found out about it somehow. this stuff doesn't come out my a$$ ya know..lmao you funny but still aight with me. i really hope that's not your mission though :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Not sure about manufacturing issues.. (plus, didn't we agree with demand & issue combined.. you continue to state only ONE and not the other).

But yea, I do see other ZTE tegra 3 tablets (i don't pay attention to ZTE news.. obviously). Granted, I knew that they released 1.0 ghz Tegra 3 tablet before.... (some do come out of your ass though.. such as Samsung canning their tablet).

But yea, in grand scheme of things.. doesn't make a difference what ZTE makes. Unless you live in China.. it means squat.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
okay, we did agree. i dont pay attention to zte also but came across that when looking at all the tegra3 variants. IMO, you should bookmark that 2nd link showing the zte tabs. that site has tons of great spec info. more than any other ive seen on all mobile devices
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/huawei-10-inch-mediapad-hands-on/

Impressed & like how this tablet looks...

But again, too bad it won't be released outside of China =/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
that is a decent tablet. even though its not released out side of china, couldnt people still order one if they want? ive seen other cheap china only tablets ordered by people in u.s. especially the very cheap one. i forgot the name of it. it was super cheap, ran android, and was actually pretty decent but battery life sucked.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
who knows. but huawei isn't exactly a cheap OEM (well known in other aspect in world business). either way, i like the look.. (perhaps because it looks a bit like iPad).. & all the additional features included.. while being slim.

why Apple doesn't sue Huawei & many other OEMs for creating "RECTANGULAR" mobile devices except Samsung... I have no idea..

but it does look good (btw, Infinity Pad 700 is a bit like iPad as well.. except, the color difference).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Completely off topic..

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/09/hp-apple-laptop-design-similarity/#continued

Rather good interview..