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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
ill go more with official Qualcomm press release saying they having production issues and won't be able to met demand for this year. Not some statement from another company saying " I think alot of us are wondering...." Qualcomm themselves said it was due to manufacturing issues. if Samsung bought most of the ones up produced already, so what. that only tells me Samsung lack of faith in their own chipset and all that b.s. about them using their in house chip was smoke n mirrors. they must be having issues also. If they weren't, they would be using their own chips.

Also Nvidia has alot to do with the shortage already, if you haven't read about that already. Their new PC graphics card/chip is in very high demand. So they could easily be sucking up the resources also if you wanna go there and put blame on demand. EVERYONE, especially hardcore gamers, wants the most powerful graphics card in their PC. Nvidia holds title of most powerful graphics card/GPU at the moment in PC market. Trust that its in very high demand also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. You're right. Issue with manufacturing but also, due to HIGH DEMAND. Or simply the case of Samsung purchasing (horrible tactic might I add) whatever that is produced to keep their competition off bay.

So, it is a case of both reason... HIGH DEMAND and manufacturing issues.. not just one or the other.

2. You are exactly right about Samsung. They have zero faith in their SoC with American market because it doesn't INCLUDE 4G LTE that works with American carriers.

Oh, and NOT because they are having issues with their own quad-core SoC. It simply doesn't work with American market as it doesn't include 4G LTE modem.

3. Eh, why bring up PC market in mobile SoC? If so, we can bring up ATI .. Intel.. Huawei.. & whatever, and how they limit the .. blah blah blah.

Btw, Nvidia/ATI graphics cards.. those high end based on 28nm don't sell as much as mobile SoC or.. are even produced in such large quantity.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
It might sound shocking to you guys but the companies you are talking about don't manufacture their own chips.

Qualcomm and Nvidia both use the same third party company to manufacture their chips. Since Qualcomm is having production issues, so is Nvidia, but it's just not getting reported as much.

Nvidia is supposedly looking for a new manufacturer, but that too will set back production capacity.

And about Windows 8 tablet bootloaders... They will be using UEFI...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
Aren't most people already using UEFI? Just curious, I am; and it's a requirement for W8 which is why we won't have any kind of official support on these other (potentially) compatible devices. Can't wait to see some kind of hack/work-a-round to "dual"-boot Windows/Android/Linux.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
True. Its a combination of both factors :P plus I only brought up the PC side because it was mentioned, in recent articles, as part of the reason for shortage. since Nvidia uses the same 3rd. party manufacturer to make the chips for their new graphics card also. like the poster below said

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This is true also.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
In about 24hrs we will find out if Sammy got all the S4s. Im betting they did with rumors of a worldwide launch for the SGIII. I personally would like to see the SGIII drop on all markets at about the same time. I also think they are holding back on the A15 dual for future release of "the next big thing in the pipeline" .
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Q

GSIII tomorrow, BRING ON THE KING!!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/02/toshiba-at330-gets-fcc-approval/

13 in tablet... not with 1080 HD display... using Android....

my gosh, apps are gonna look ugly in that 13in. display... =/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
yeah, that's one of the 3 Toshiba tablets i mentioned before that will have tegra3 in it. its 13.3in. display actually. i didn't know its display was 1080P though. tablet apps should be fine on it. phone apps resized might look funny. I think this tablet is more of a media playing device or something for artists/photographers. excellent huge display to showcase pictures or movies on. If i had one, it would stay in the house mostly. that's too big to carry around. i hope it has gorilla glass..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Don't worry, I knew of the existence since CES when they were taking survey of the design. Anyways, the 13.3 in Toshiba has 1600X900 display.. as in.. it does not have 1080 HD resolution. Such a shame... (personally, i think this is better for UI as I do not have such faith in Tegra 3 like you...)

But man, 13.3 in tablet using Android with horrible tablet app ecosystem... That's a lot of empty space that won't be used, and some terribly ugly apps.... I'm all for increase in display size but geez, when OS doesn't actually take advantage.. or isn't geared for it... terrible idea.

However, due to its size.. it does come with 4 speakers. Could be the best tablet for sound... perhaps??

Edit: Random but I'm annoyed that Virtua Tennis by Sega won't show up on Google Play for Prime.. ugh.. one game I was looking forward to play to kill off time. And yes, it isn't exclusive to Xperia Play anymore

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.sega.vtc
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Actually, Nvidia's having far worse manufacturing issues with their 28nm chip than Qualcomm did with theirs. General sentiment is that Qualcomm's production issues are behind them. You're confusing yields (production and design issues) with wafer starts (raw material) availibility. The latter is affecting Qualcomm and other 28nm chip makers including Nvidia.

Why Can't Nvidia Supply Kepler/GK104/GTX680?

TSMC is blameless Kepler is a self-inflicted wound

Charlie Demerjian - May 1, 2012

You might recall that all TSMC 28nm customers are complaining about tight wafer starts, but other than one little ‘ whoopsie’ that still hasn’ t been adequately explained, all now seems well in Hsinchu. Customers, other than Nvidia, don’ t seem to be complaining about yields, quite the contrary, most are quite direct in stating that they don’ t have a problem with 28nm yields. Please be aware that yields are not directly related to wafer start availability. By their own admission, Nvidia is having yield problems, and big ones at that. Any wafer start shortages are problems on top of the horrendous yields.

Nvidia has been busily blaming TSMC for their many supposed failings on 28nm, but SemiAccurate has learned what is really going on. The short story is that the finger pointing around the Kepler launch problems should be at Nvidia, not TSMC.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/01/why-cant-nvidia-supply-keplergk104gtx680/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
thanks for the interesting read. sounds like even more speculation to add to the pot. as that source doesnt even know for sure what the deal is. It is a good look at things though. Like the article said, too much is unknown. Especially if this will affect their mobile Soc. Its a good speculation though. im leaning on the more false side. You never know but im not worried about it. This is more speaking on pc side of things and too early to say whats really going on without more info. it doesnt affect tegra3 regardless ;) new toshiba 13in. just passed fcc so its releasing any day now. so at least 5 tablets or more out in the wild for sale with tegra3. Prime, 300, Acer510and 3 toshiba tablets. with more to come. tegra3 has turned out to be the dominant Android chip for tablets. Tegra4 is not due out until q4/q1 of 2013. plenty of time to straighten things out if that article speculation even holds true. Info coming from a semi-accurate mole supposedly in the company can only be seen as speculation. Since Nvidia came out already and kinda debunked what that article is saying. This still doesnt affect tegra3 being found in majority of new tablets being released in 2012. Nvidia will have commanded the Android tablet market for over 6 months come june. which is a huge feat for a chip maker to have. no other tablet chipmaker has released a competitng chipset. IN TABLETS...DONT MENTION SOME PHONE S4 CHIP. UNTIL a tablet has an S4 in it, Tegra3 still most power Android tablet chip and commands the android tablet scene at the moment and has for the past 5 months already. Both 300 and Acer 510 got great reviews so Nvidia is looking pretty good right about now. the toshiba tablets are being praised also. all have tegra3 powering them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Toshiba 13 in tablet will be released in June.

2. Dominant chipset as you put it so far..but Nvidia has less OEM customers compared to Tegra 2.

3. Without the sales figure to backup it's claim, Tegra 3 isn't exactly the dominant force as you claim it is.. or will be in 2012.

4. I'm pretty sure Galaxy Note 10.1 and GTab 10 2 is being released with Quad-core Exyno 4 series. So, that's at least 2 possible Tablets (however, not released yet) that will dethrone Tegra 3 powered tablets as the most powerful if we go by early/leaked benchmark of Exyno 4. Tomorrow should be interesting.. eh?

Also, if two Samsung tablets outsell all of Tegra 3 tablets (I think Samsung achieved this during Tegra 2 era).... how does that work for you?? How are you going to classify each SoC??

5. Being found in majority of Android tablet means nothing if it doesn't sell.... =/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I want a faster tablet but based on the S4 vs. Teg3 benchmarks in phones (battery life and raw power) I'm going to hold out a while. I want one that's 3G which means I'll have to import it too. The G-Tab 2's don't impress me because they've been decontented (even if they do have the rumored quad-core Exynos). There's been lots of talk (but no detail) about Samsung's Espresso line which may be a high(er) end device. If the Tab 2 gets quad-core I'm sure the Note 10.1 will too and I’d definitely consider that. I really like Sense 4.0 and would consider an HTC tablet but who knows if they're actually going to build one. I stream on my tablet and am not a heavy gamer so other than the occasional OS lag I'm fine with my G-Tab for the time being.

P.S. - The "semi" in semi-accurate refers to semi-conductors not half accuracy. ;)

P.S.S. - If you think the Prime crowds tough, you should see the One X'rs. Good lord you'd think someone kidnapped their child the way they react to problems and issues. And they probably hold an XDA record for duplicate posts. And to give Asus credit, they are tons more communicative than HTC; the lack of which is giving the One X’rs apoplexy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
this sums up that article pretty well as one person put it

" Yes, nonsense as always:

-By their own admission, Nvidia is having yield problems, and big ones at that.-article statement

Nowhere in the linked article there’s a single reference to yield problems… well, even the word “yield” is never mentioned.

It is as always with the links Charlie provides: none of them are related to facts.

Moreover, as said since the beginning, nvidia is not the only one having problems with 28nm production seen Qualcomm has just announced to all its customers that the Snapdragn S4 is delayed and all products based on it (mainly by HTC, LG and Acer) are going to be postponed"

@shinzz, those two samsung tablets were already delayed once. now supposedly will come with quadcore. plus i seriously doubt, as late as those 2 tabs will release, that they will sell more than all the other tegra3 tablets combined. the prime, the 300, the acer 510, the 3 different toshiba tablets. 700 should release in june. add that in there. then by june july, add in acer a700, at in 2 zte tabs, add in htc quattro. all set to release june/july. i forgot some others. the numbers are in tegra3 favor. I can almost guareentee those 2 tablets wont sell more than all tegra3 tablets combined by the end of this year. Tegra3 chip is spread across all major manufacturers except Samsung really.

You must've been smoking some good stuff though...pass that this way...it got your mind blown to think that those 2 Samsung tabs, which will hit probably fall/winter, will outsell tegra3 tablets with it having basically a half a year at least head start.

Its a bet buddy. i wont forget this one so don't disappear once end of the year roll around..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Its that tough n crazy over there huh? lol thats funny. has htc addressed anything yet? have you recieced any updates or anything from HTC to address issues?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Look at Tegra 2 History..

1. Moto Xoom (first Tegra 2 android tablet)

2. Asus OG Transformer

3. Acer A500 & A200

4. Dell Tegra 2 tablet (can't even remember the name)

5. HTC Tegra 2 tablet

6. Lenovo Ideapad

7. Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (released around May/June I believe of last year)

8. Toshiba Tegra 2 tablet

9. Sony tablet S & P

Might be more but that's all I can remember from Tegra 2 era. From that list.. Dell is completely out of Android tabliet market. Motorola isn't creating a tablet using Tegra 3.. if they are even planning to create one. Sony has rumored Tegra 3 tablet that is rumored to be released end of this year.. so, you can't really say Sony is creating Tegra 3 tablet yet. Samsung.. obviously.. isn't creating one.

Motorola, Samsung, Sony... are bigger over Acer, Asus, Toshiba, HTC, and Lenovo. So, no.. not all major makers are creating Tegra 3 tablet.

Also, Gtab 10.1 had majority of the Android tablet market share in 2011. Sold just as much over all of the Android Tegra 2 tablets combined during Tegra 2 era..... JUST ONE device.

Plus, we will know more about when Samsung will release the two tablets tomorrow.. it should be interesting. If they are released in June... well, that's at the same time as all other Tegra 3 tablets (still know nothing about Lenovo, HTC tegra 3 tablet release dates.. if they are to be released).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That's because it was pulled from their SEC filings and covered in another article.

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/04/06/will-28nm-rain-on-nvidias-financial-parade/

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The i9100 people were fun, especially in the beginning. The One X'rs, not so much. But you can't pick who buys a device. ;)

It's definitely related to CPU clocking and graphics drivers; literally exactly like the Prime. They just pushed out an update that fixed some devices and made others worse; just like the Prime. That update also borked the CPU stepping and reduced performance; just like the first big Prime update. So it'll probably be a couple of updates until things stabilize; just like the Prime. ;) HTC's lack of communication makes me appreciate the value Gary added early in the Prime's travails. Mine's fine though; literally not a single complaint.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
thats only 2-3 less manufactuers really...lol Moto is a non factor. thier new xyborg or whatever tablet name is has bombed. sony currently is a nonfactor as both models of their new tablet has bombed. great concept but poor implementation. especially with them deciding to still use outdated tegra2 chips. wtf were they thinking..lol i like the wedge tablet as i thought of getting one before the prime. but it was far too expensive for low end specs it had. now they had to put it at clearance prices to sell. the clam shell dual screen is doing horribly. if sony has any chance, itll be once they release tegra3 tablet, if true.

plus who cares about 2011, this is 2012. and 2012 so far has tegra3 found across the most different manufactures. so like i said, those 2 samsung tabs wont outsell all tegra3 tablets combined. tegra3 still has all the hype about it. hardly any tech sites really talking about those 2 samsung tabs. thats small potatoes. samsung more concerned with hyping up their new phone SG3. which could ultimately hurt those tablet chances at selling well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Google's responsible for Teg2's adoption in tablets. They didn't have time to include multiple SoC support in 3.0 so if a manufacturer wanted to build a tablet it was Teg2 or bust. When 3.2 came out they all bolted to other SoC's because of Teg2's lack of NEON support and general suckiness at video encoding. Going forward, Motorola's aligning with TI and Samsung was originally using a TI chip in the Tab 2's until they delayed its launch to include the new Exynos. Tablets mask Teg3's issues (42nm, battery life) but it doesn't make it a standout choice compared to Krait and Exynos 4 and 5 (which Samsung's selling to competitors). Teg3's biggest accomplishment is being widely available now.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Hehe, only 2-3?? One being the biggest customer to Nvidia & sold the most Tegra 2 SoC in tablets??

2. Hmm... we have exactly 3 tablets released with Tegra 3 in 2012 so far. With 3 & possibly 4 (going to include Infinity Pad 700) to release soon....

However, only 3 OEMs are actually releasing Tegra 3 tablets atm...

Asus, Acer, & Toshiba in late May/June.

As of this moment, we know absolutely nothing about HTC & Lenovo's plan or release date of their tablets. It won't surprised me if HTC scrapped their tablet section for a bit as they are struggling in smartphone market & might want to focus on that market. Lenovo & their supposed 2gig RAM tablet is nothing but a prototype... that's all we know so far.

So yea, you have exactly 3 OEMs actually releasing Tegra 3 tablets atm.

3. Tegra 3 getting all the hype? I find your constant statement on this subject to be facetious. Take out Nvidia's constant marketing to give away free "Prime" with their TegraZone game give-aways.... I'm not exactly seeing the "hype" as you put it.

For example... the only Tegra 3 tablet that got all the "hype" was Transformer Prime. Well... in my opinion, even with all that HYPE... Transformer Prime is nothing but failure in execution & probably in sales # as well.

Pad 300 & Acer A510 were released without much hype of media cover. Heck, Acer did not even send "review" units to the media....

So yea, I'm not exactly seeing the hype....

Edit: http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/tsmc-ramps-28nm-arm-cortex-a9-chip-to-3-1ghz/

Isn't that interesting? And yet Nvidia is constantly blaming TSMC....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
All you have to do is take off those blinders n open you eyes and you will see the hype..lmfao

that article is interesting. although A9 has no 28nm process, they rolled their own custom one. similar to what qualcomm did with krait. Nvidia project Denver sounds interesting though. too bad they said we likely won't see this in tablets or phones anytime soon. I'd like to have a 28nm 5 core A9 tegra3 running at 3Ghz per core..lol. I can only dream. this does give hope to claims on the 28nm process of A15 though. that they'll be able eventually reach 2.5Ghz on that process. I personally can't wait to see what Tegra4 has in store. ill be honest also, I am curious in seeing how the Samsung 32nm quad core performs. I'm not really impressed with S4 Krait, so maybe Samsung can impress me. Although I like Nvidia the best, I do like reading and learning about the other competing chipsets. So I can easily point out any flaws in performance..lol

I'm still waiting to hear more about this in-house custom Haweii chip. Haweii is saying theirs will be more powerful than any of the others. I love when that claim is thrown out there by various chipmakers/designers.

any info on that Samsung stuff/info that's supposed to release today?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Haha, that's funny. Myself & many (or few.. depending your perspective) can say exactly same to you... & especially due to your "LOVE" for anything Nvidia.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] muqali:
I wish some of these ARM fabs had Intel's expertise in manufacturing. Imagine 22nm A15 SoCs...*drool* They could make a Tegra3++ with less die size than the current one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Completely off topic...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/nvidia-geforce-gtx-690-review-roundup/

"HotHardware and others found that it's definitely the graphics card of choice for Batman: Arkham City enthusiasts: problems with AMD's CrossFire mode leave a dual Radeon HD 7970 setup running at just half the frame rate of its NVIDIA-made challenger.

Caveats? There are still some worries beyond the price tag, as the twin Radeon cards are as much as three times faster at general-purpose computing tasks than the latest and greatest GeForce. "

Interesting eh Demandarin. Although, I have no idea how you are going to interpret that. Just to let you know, Cross-fire dual AMD Radeon = Geforce GTX690.. which contains two 28nm GPU. Two Radeon HD 7990 also equates to.. or slightly less of one Geforce GTX 690 in cost.

So, even on the PC market.. while Kepler GPUs are great for "gaming"... not so much for general computing task (which is eerily similar to Tegra SoC in Android mobile/tablet market).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
ill read into this more. as i just finished my long post proving Tegra3 more powerful than S4 ;)

interesting though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Lol..

Samsung GIII.. Designed for HUMANS

sorry, but I keep thinking Samsung is taking a shot at Apple & iSheep
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
they are...lol its obvious.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Hmm, I'm impressed by some of the tweaks to SGIII for practical reasons..

such as proximity sensor...

S VOice = Siri.. bleh

either way, kinda impressed... not sure how well it'll work in real life.. but I like it. I find it intuitive...

Loved the live classic music at start....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
funny how you left out the sunspider benchmarks, where S4 CRUSHES tegcrap3. And Battery performance clearly favours S4, what good is the supposed "king" when it's out of power and S4 is still chugging along??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Impressed by SGIII & some of it's feature.. on theory at least.

Loved the live Orchestra...

but for everything else.. man, this press event is nothing but disappointment.

Presentation is amazing... but constant marketing, too many similarities to "APPLE", & taking shots at iSheep at the same time... got.. annoying.

Not a lot of info. was disclosed as well.. sigh.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
for starters, you are a comedian.

2nd, tell that out of power sob story to the Acer510 with its 15+ hour rated battery during usage..lol s4 in phones doesnt get better battery life than my prime 10-12hrs. then add in my dock and i have 18hrs. battery life with constant usage. i want to see you get that out of a phone...lmfao you compared phones to my tablets. so know i do the same in reverse ;) Smile

oh, n good for S4 if it did good in sunspider. they need to be good at something at least..lol :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
umm, why are you comparing phone battery with tablet battery? especially to Acer which uses a large battery....

he is comparing phone battery life of HTC One of S4 vs Tegra 3... using exactly the same battery.

Two phone... same OEM.. exactly same hardware except SoC...

i think it is perfectly reasonable to conclude.. even in tablets with bigger display... if all hardware are exactly the same (by same OEM)... you'll see similar conclusion to that of PHONE.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
nooo..lol ive always been talking about tablets n he would come in radomly and say how s4 in phone was better. proof is in his past posts in this thread. s4 is only available in phones. so that means he obviously comparing his phone stats to my tablet tegra3 stats. ive repeatedly told him to talk tablets only. yet he comes with phone talk to my tablet talk.

so all i did was turn the tables on him. simple as that. nothing serious really. thats on him.