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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
Good paper. Thanks for linking to that.

The lack of knowledge is shocking. Agreed. However, I am not fully convinced on how similar LTE and HSPA+ are. They do have a lot in common obviously but really they're only close when HSPA+ is truly and fully evolved to an all IP core. And even then E-UTRA still outperforms on spectral efficiency, latency and edge-of-network performance.

Once VoLTE is switched on (so you can turn the other radios off) and the chipsets are streamlined, I'd bet LTE will have better battery performance than HSPA+. That's about 1.5 to 2 years out.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RickROM:
I have the LTE version. Getting close to 40Mbps down and 10 up daily. I have the extended battery, and my phone lasts through most of the day. I carry a spare battery sometimes if I know I will use it more. Have no issues getting it to last a whole day by keeping the spare. Have a third battery also, but I haven't had to use it yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jlsolorio5746:
I have a g2x running cm7 if your interested. perfect condition with a trident case to go with it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tsunami1609:
It's fine if you want to go a different route, but your 4G speeds WILL NOT be the same. Both the G2X and MT4G have 14.4Mbps radios, while the GNex has a 21Mbps radio. This usually translates to about one Mbps less than half of your theoretical on average. For example, in the city I'm currently in, my GNex gets about 10Mbps down (1 below half the theo). When I put the same sim card in my Sensation (Also has a 14.4Mbps theoretical), I got between 4 and 5 Mbps down (once again, around 1 less than the theoretical). Just something to consider.

If I were you, and I wanted to get something much cheaper, I'd get the Galaxy S 4G (Vibrant 4G). At least that has a 21Mbps radio.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
What did you hate so much about the G2x? I've been following this thread because I'm considering the exact same thing, only I'm on Sprint right now and have never even sniffed 4g. I was leaning toward the G2x also. The nexus is not a 4g capable phone on T-Mobile's network so that's a definite no go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sstang2006:
No matter what room or kernel I used:

- signal was the wort, a lot of missed/dropped calls and poor call quality.

- it used to lose APN settings (a popular issue)

- When you torn it ON, it will be crazy fast, but after a couple of hours it lagged like crazy. I had to be turning it OFF and ON.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
Thanks for the response. Maybe the sensation or I might splurge for the amaze. I just don't want another samsung so I want to go back to HTC again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tsunami1609:
WHAT?!?!?! Yes, yes it is. The Nexus runs the same HSPA+ bands as EVERY other 4G phone on T-mobile right now, and in most cases, performs even better. The European Nexus will get better speeds on Tmobile's network than the G2, G2X, Sensation, and MT4G. The only phone in their lineup that has faster speeds is the Galaxy SII.

I'm sorry, am I missing something? Are you guys joking?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
I already switched my phones to MyTouch 4G and G2x. phones now get 8-9mbps where i live. both phones are supported by CM7. and for some reason customer service rep let me keep my Nexus One 5GB data plan for $10 bucks :)

edit: dont know about G2x signal problem yet....i am getting 4 bars of 4G here.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EPICTROY:
I don't pay anything when tethered Soo i don't know what u talking about but i do see options online that charge u but i never been charge think god
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
Every site I've seen says that the nexus s does not support HSPA+. Including cnet, which is usually pretty good with specs:

http://reviews.cnet.com/samsung-nexus-s-review?tag=mncol;rvwBody#reviewPage1

So I'm not sure what you're talking about, unless there was a newer version released. I'm not on T-mobile so maybe I didn't see the 4g version.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
Thats Nexus S......We all are talking about Galaxy Nexus.....2 different phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
Yeah I know, this was in reference to a post on the previous page where someone said the OP should get a nexus one before they get the G2x. Of course the Galaxy Nexus is the far superior phone and supports 4g. That would be the phone I'm sure we'd all get if we wanted to pay that much for it unlocked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] milan03:
That's all great, but you're linking us to the release 9 that's not even rolled out yet. It's due in Q3 2013! Why? Why would you post this.

The point is, today's 3GPP release 8, especially with the current HSPA+ deployment in the U.S., in terms of performance, by all means, LTE is light years away from current HSPA+ networks. With the introductions of MIMO, that may change a bit, but globally there may be less than 3 providers with HSPA+ and MIMO setup.

On the other hand, in LTE release 8, MIMO is mandatory which tremendously improves performance especially in the fringe areas.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tsunami1609:
Oh okay. The world makes sense again. My mistake. And no, you are correct, the Nexus S only supports 3G on T-mobile.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
I think this thread, along with checking coverage in my area has convinced me to go with t mobile. I don't have 4g everywhere with Verizon and t mobile does. Plus t mobile's 3g is fast in my area (2.5 Mbps). Bunch of folks at work have t mobile. Just not sure which phone now. I refuse to pay $600 for an unlocked galaxy nexus, didn't even pay that much for my laptop or tablet!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
Battery vs Speed

The current gen of LTE eats battery but can ACTUALLY get up into 70+mbps

HSPA+ on Tmobile 4G I've seen get up to 7mbps. In my city I'd only get 2 or 3mbps.

Verizon 3G = Tmobile 3G in terms of speed. Verizon has the benefit of better coverage. I typically always have Verizon 3G when my Tmobile is on GPRS or EDGE.

I travel around and visit remote places for work. Major cities, signal is pretty stable on each network.

On my Verizon Nexus, I typically disable LTE because I don't need anything more then 3G 2-4mbps throughout the day at any given time. When/If I sit down to do some heavy gaming or surfing I'll use LTE or WiFi. But IMO 3G speeds are about the same. Verizon LTE > Tmobiles 4G speed wise.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
I always got about 2.5mbps in my area on 3G device until yesterday I switched to 4G sim card and now i get 4-5mbps on 3G
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
People I know in my area are getting high numbers with 3g only on t mobile. I see it depends on the phone too. And 4g seems really good. I'd rather have fast 3g everywhere in my area and decent 4g everywhere near me, than to sometimes be able to connect to Verizon 4g, even though it's faster, and kill my battery. There are a lot of areas around me without Verizon 4g. I've had enough of no 4g from dealing with sprint.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
I've swapped 4G sims several times in my area. Tmobile 3G = 4G. The phones display 4G even in a 3G only area because the signal is the exact same. A phone can't distinguish a 3G or 4G signal.

Tmobile 3G/4G is about the same as Verizons 3G, probably a little faster; Twice as fast in some areas... but usually about the same.

The difference is you'll be in a Verizon 3G more often then a Tmobile 3G/EDGE. I travel for work and couldn't rely on data from Tmobile. Inner-City is ok, but smaller towns/highways is nill. I'd rather have SOME data then nothing at all.

If you stay within a major city and have a good Tmobile signal, then go for it.

I'm finding that anything over a few Mbps is overkill on a phone while on the go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mikedavis120:
Im kinda angry right now.

I mean I've used about 14gb of data in month and never need to worry if I'm gonna go over.

But why the hell does sprints speeds suck ass. I pay for 4G cause its how it works but i have to drive 350 miles to get to a spot I could use it. And my 3g is a joke compared to anything shown in all 16 pages here. I read in here tmo has edge speeds exceeding my 3g.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tsunami1609:
I disagree. Your statement may be true in some areas, but if your area is covered by Tmo's 21Mbps speeds or higher then Verizon 3G =/ Tmobile 4G. I don't know what your 3G Verizon speeds are in your area, but the max I've seen is 3Mbps and (on the Nexus anyways) in good coverage you can get 4 times that.

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The picture's kinda small, but I see numbers in the hundreds an I'm assuming that's kbps, which is unfortunately awful. I guess that's the price you have to pay in order to get unlimited data. I forgot that Sprint users pay additional for 4G. They should really allow you to choose.

But hey, don't feel too bad. Almost all 3G data speeds suck.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
Then you probably got a mediocre tablet and a horribly crappy tablet (relatively, of course).

In the sentence that you said, "I don't have 4g everywhere with Verizon and t mobile does", you forgot the part where you said "Everywhere that *I GO*". It makes it sound like Verizon doesn't have good 4G coverage and T-Mobile does, which is a complete joke.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mikedavis120:
Sorry the speeds are.

Down

169kbs

88kbs

60kbs

156kbs

Up speeds

305kbs

316kbs

387kbs

360kbs

I want to call 611 and *****.

I'm also curious as to why my up speeds are almost always double the down speeds. Isn't that normally the other way around?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sstang2006:
Man I only have one question for you:

How do you manage to use 14Gb at does speeds?

it is clear that Sprint is not the carrier to be at in your city.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mikedavis120:
Well I figured screw it. I tether a lot to my desktop and usual download a torrent or two every night. But at night i may get 380kbs.

I still wonder why the up speeds so high, does it indicate throttling?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
Once again Verizon 3G in my area near BOSTON is anywhere from 500kbps to maybe 1.5mbps and it maxes out at 3.1mbps. Tmobile 3G is anywhere from 2.5mbps to 6mbps, my 4G goes up to 8-9mbps.

My tests were done in Verizon store with full 3G and 4G/LTE coverage

The big downside of Tmobile is when you jump on EDGE (which is only when I travel to ski resorts in remote locations) it becomes pretty much unusable....can only send emails etc....I suppose Verizon will still get its 300-500kbps even in remote locations.....but thats just my guess.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sstang2006:
I don't think so. When I was in T-Mobile I got throttled once, and the upload speed also got throttled to like 20Kbps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DebauchedSloth:
That's exactly what I get for TMO around Boston. I've seen 10Mbps a few times, but it's rare. 8+ is pretty common.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
That's the thing...that's not the norm. On Verizon 3G I get around 1.5Mbps, on average (sometimes down to around 1Mbps, sometimes 3...but the average probably hovers around 1.5Mbps+), but I get that *everywhere*. I don't even use LTE too often because for normal stuff 1.5Mbps is perfectly acceptable. I use LTE when I'm actively *using* my phone, but for background stuff or checking the status page of Facebook it's not necessary.

The thing is, switching to LTE I immediately jump to 10Mbps+. That's with 1 bar of service on the absolute fringe of LTE...and it's pretty much everywhere civilization seems to be. My average speed on LTE is somewhere around 20Mbps, which is still twice as good as the best most people ever see on T-Mobile's HSPA+. I've easily hit 35Mbps or higher (I've broken 40 multiple times on this phone, and I've broken 50 on my Galaxy Tab 10.1).

But the thing is we can't just discuss speeds. If we're talking about speed LTE still completely trumps HSPA+, even if you're in one of the very select markets that support 42Mbps (although I don't know if any product devices do?). Top speed of HSPA+ is theoretical 42Mbps (although even the reviewers, when at the prime locations given by T-Mobile, couldn't get higher than 25Mbps)...top speed of LTE is around 72Mbps (and many people have gotten 70Mbps in multiple cities). In terms of speed, there's no contest.

In terms of coverage, also no contest. You can't talk about HSPA+ getting 20Mbps+ because that's true in *very* select markets. Many of them are around 8Mbps tops. While I'll agree that 8Mbps is perfectly fine, it's not the norm. Most people get barely faster speeds than 3G. On top of it, travel 30 minutes outside of a main city and most of the time it drops down to far less...sometimes EDGE. Dropping to EDGE on AT&T or T-Mobile, in essence, means you're out of data. It's usable only for background syncing (since the time it takes doesn't really matter).

Verizon still pumps along at 1.5Mbps or better :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
I am about 30-40 minutes away from city.....I have 4 bars of 4g here with tmo and in most places I go. verizon maxed out at 1.5 and many times I got 500-1mbps
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sstang2006:
I was a T-Mobile customer for 5 years and I'm happy I switched to Verizon.

Is true, sometime I used to get 7 or 8Mbps but sometimes it didn't go over 2Mbps and also dropped and missed calls like crazy, it is not as consistent as Verizon.

It was not reliable at all for me, when I needed some data, it was not there. With Verizon I haven't had a single dropped/missed call and speed is always there, a very reliable network.

It may vary by city but at least here in Miami (which is not a small city) T-mobile is not reliable at all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Stadsport:
I switched to Verizon from AT&T and I feel exactly the same way. AT&T had better 3G speeds than Verizon's 3G, but in Phoenix (Tempe and Mesa specifically) it was so spotty and inconsistent. I would struggle to maintain signal at my house and at work. I dropped calls all the time. When the signal was good, it was really good, but when it was bad, it was REALLY bad. I would often have good signal but no data traffic--dead towers were not unusual with AT&T. And don't think it was just my phone, I frequently experienced dead towers while with friends who were also on AT&T to verify.

I rarely use LTE on my Nexus. So far, I've never dropped a call and I've always been able to get data. I was even able to stream Google music all the way between Tucson and Phoenix on 3G, even in one spot that displayed 0 bars between a few songs. Yeah, Verizon's 3G doesn't peak as high as AT&T's, but I know it works everywhere and it's plenty fast. If I desperately need high speeds, I can always turn on LTE. So far, I've had excellent reception/speeds with LTE, too. Where I used to not be able to hold a phone call in the living room of my house with AT&T, I get 15mbps down on Verizon LTE. Not complaining!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] reuthermonkey:
I linked to release 9 because that's where T-Mobile is going with their HSPA+ network.

Right now they're both on rel8. For HSPA+ that allows for *either* Dual-carriers *or* MIMO. For LTE the carriers are already larger, so MIMO is required. yay. Rel 9 for HSPA+ requires dual carriers + MIMO, hence why I posted it. It puts the two carriers on a more even footing.

My point is apparently being lost here. Technologically speaking - when upgraded - HSPA+ is quite competitive with standard LTE. In fact, HSPA+ is *designed* to be competitive with LTE. They are by their very nature complimentary technologies. The entire 3gpp design for an ideal network is to have 2GSM for universal, basic voice coverage, HSPA+ for suburban/semi-rural connectivity, and LTE-Advanced layover for urban areas.

When people compare the two based upon speeds at this juncture, they are actually comparing a relatively vacant network to one which has a full production load.

Verizon's CDMA network is by far their workhorse. A vast majority of Verizon's customers are on 3g-only phones, and will be for a good amount of time. That means for early-adopters, you get very good LTE speeds while there are fewer users. However, as the load increases and you begin sharing the currently vacant towers, those speeds will settle out. Verizon's stated goals are 8-15mbps.

T-Mobile's workhorse, otoh, is their UMTS network. 3g and 4g are "combined" on the same network (in layman's terms). So when they demonstrated their 42mbps network in Vegas and got 25mbps - that was on a production network.

Either way, people seem to forget that speeds on these towers are based upon usage. It's a shared medium. If you're not sharing with anyone else, you can get full speeds (depending on distance to tower, as well). For Verizon LTE users, that's a very good thing.

for now.

However as you share with more people, your speeds essentially continue halving themselves until usage is evenly spread across handsets/data cards. So right now, when T-Mobile's max possible speeds are half of Verizon's, PLUS Verizon's LTE network has fewer users, things are sitting *very* pretty for Verizon LTE customers. However as their workhorse network shifts from their CDMA network to their LTE network, things will begin to even out.

Again, Verizon's stated goal speeds for their LTE network is 8-15mbps. So while most users are fortunately getting much more than that right now, even VZW doesn't want to raise expectations for what their LTE network will look like once it gains traction. Keep that in mind when signing that 2 year contract renewal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] @rbiter:
Most sensible post in here. Still wondering why comparing t-mobile and verizon anyways. I think it will be a much fairer comparison once verizon saturates their network. Tmobile is saturated. Atnt is definitely saturated and would rather spend 39billion to buy the competition than un saturate their network for a few billion. Anyways, this thread is funny. I think most people already know if you need coverage verizon is where it is at. Atnt comes in at a distant second though if they spent the money you could talk about verizon and atnt in the same sentence if talking about coverage. Tmobile is a value choice. And good one if you live in an urban area.

My grandma beat me down and took my nexus. Sent from a jitterbug with beats by dre.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordant2:
Wow I think this thread is swaying me towards Verizon. Although Verizon doesn't seem to have 4g everywhere in my area, they have excellent coverage so if I can get 3g speeds of 1.5Mbps and 4g in most areas, I'd take that. I think I may try it out for 30 days and see what my speeds look like. Plus I could get that galaxy nexus on new contract!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tidbits:
I have both and the difference for me in terms of battery life is identical give or take an hour. What chews up the most all the time for me is screen.

If you stream 1.5mbps is more than enough in most cases. I stream a lot of Netflix on 3G and have had no trouble.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
9.5 hours of use and 45% battery left on my G2x. A friend said his LTE Nexus lasts about 6 hours
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mrrubix:
How do I check if my GN is LTE or HSPA+?

My Speedtest results only give me something like 8 down 5 up here in Manhattan while others are getting speeds eight times as fast... not sure what's going on. Using Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 3devious:
If your Nexus is on Verizon, it's LTE. Just use whichever network is the most reliable or the cheapest for you. Also, are those that get 8 times the speed also on Verizon and in the same spot as you?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mrrubix:
Yes. extrachars
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] qnet:
Wow, I wished I had got in on this thread earlier. I guess I will share my experience. I have both the VZW model and GSM model. The Verizon model is my primary phone and the GSM model is one I bought from Hantec - to try out - when Verizon was taking so long to release their model.

I'm currently still trying to decide on whether to stay with Verizon or switch to T-mobile's small business plan and use the GSM Nexus.

I live near Atlanta and LTE is definitely much faster in the city but, in my home I barely get any bars. Having said that I never drop any calls and Verizon's coverage is very good. The call clarity is also slightly better than T-mobile. I'm grandfathered into Verizon's unlimited data and, that's nice but I can't really take advantage of it because I hardly get LTE from this phone at home.

What's making me think about switching probably doesn't matter to most but, it's the pure Google thing. The GSM version just seems like a true Google world phone ( I can't stand the Verizon log on the back). If I hadn't got the GSM model it may not matter but, I like the feel of it better ( the thinness). As pointed out by other in this thread, the battery life from my experience is much better than the LTE version and rivals the IPhone 4.

T-mobile also doesn't have bad coverage in Atlanta and I've never dropped a call with them either, that I can remember. It does switch to edge or 2G in some spots compared to Verizon, which is at least 3G everywhere. HSPA+ is around 4-10Mbps and will do everything I want to do (streaming vids and browsing).

HSPA + is also very strong in my home were as, for some reason LTE is little to non-existant on the Verizon Nexus. I have a Mifi and Xoom (Verizon must love me) and I can get LTE on both in my home.

T-mobile has a excellant small business plan for 49.99 unlimited everything (with the data throttled after 5GB). Verizon LTE is nice when I can get it but, it seems to take a while for it to lock on and is sporadic, switching from 4G to 3G. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. I'm still trying to decide.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dbdynsty25:
I waited until Dec. 15th to take the Galaxy Nexus plunge on Verizon and overall it was a pretty nice phone. However, I don't get LTE in my area of Los Angeles (crazy, right?). There's a nice 50 mile gap between Calabasas and Santa Barbara where I spend 95% of my life that is stuck on 3G with no LTE upgrade in sight. So I was strictly using the Nexus in 3G mode which is almost disrespectful to the handset. So I made the decision to try out the monthly 4G t-mobile plan w/ a GSM Galaxy Nexus. Much faster speeds over HSPA+ than I was getting on 3G CDMA...so I knew I made the right decision.

However, T-Mobile's coverage is bad where my office is and where my house is. Works great everywhere else. Weird. My wife also switched from Verizon, but she went to At&t with a Galaxy SII and she got coverage EVERYWHERE and all on HSPA+. So I made the decision to switch to At&t w/ my Galaxy Nexus. Brilliant. I'm getting a consistent 4mb down and 1.5mb up everywhere I go which is significantly faster than any of the other providers could offer up.

As for battery life, even on 3G w/ the Verizon Nexus, I was barely making it through the day. I'd have to charge in the evenings while watching TV and playing WordFeud and stuff like that. With the At&t version on HSPA+ I've been going to bed with at least 25% left on my battery with essentially the same usage pattern. So another win in that regards. It hurt an saddened me to leave Verizon, but the lack of LTE really started to piss me off since I could drive 10 miles and be in a great coverage area, but after using the HSPA+ version of the Nexus, I couldn't be happier with the speeds and the battery life. Compromise a little speed for some battery life. I'm in!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CyberPunk7t9:
I don't know if mentioned already or not. The 3 metal pins on the side of the GSM/H+ G.Nexus are actually functional, so it can charge just by placing it in docks that support it. The Verizon/LTE version also has those 3 pins, but they don't function. Say you had the car dock accessory for example, it wouldn't be convenient to plug/unplug a vehicle charger cable every time you get in and out of the car to use dock while charging.

Edit: It seems that what I said above it wrong. My apologies. It's just that the pins are not lined up the same between the two. thanks.