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[Desire HD General] panyan:
the processor might have support, but does the firmware/rom/whatever need updating to get the new information?
[Desire HD General] anandus:
Probably.

I'm not sure HTC will release an update (but who knows), but the ROM-cooks could probably get some stuff done?
[Desire HD General] supperelias:
desire hd owner bumping for intrest
[Desire HD General] anandus:
I do wonder what they mean with 'Today we’re announcing wider support'?

Does it mean they're releasing some kind of drivers?
[Desire HD General] FireBlast:
Any news?

I've just read this article http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/12/16/chips.will.leverage.both.us.and.russian.satellites/ where Qualcomm confirms presence of Glonass in S2 chips. MSM8255 is a S2 chip. So is it in use or not?
[Desire HD General] paszczi:
Does Android itself support different location sources than GPS?
[Desire HD General] FireBlast:
Android can even not know about glonass or GPS. Chip driver sends coordinates to OS API.

But I'd to know does the chip use both systems or just GPS?
[Desire HD General] whiperhack:
High End Device

After reading the OP post i can say that i'm kind of touched by the news. If we can realy taste the GLONASS technology, that means that we realy have a High End device. This means that can pass another year untill something realy new (I refer to technology build in) will make the difference between outdated and actuality.

PS: I will stick with my DHD just in case that something new about it will get revealed. :D
[Desire HD General] renehd2:
can someone tell me what is GLONASS?? i really dont know :$
[Desire HD General] topspeed_pt1:
I hope this helps.

radio-based satellite navigation system operated for the Russian government by the Russian Space Forces. It both complements and provides an alternative to the United States' Global Positioning System (GPS), the Chinese Compass navigation system and the planned Galileo positioning system of the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLONASS
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
This sounds awesome to me, now if i can truely find a better battery then i cant see me needing to upgrade my phone for a good while.
[Desire HD General] lrm537:
GLONASS is a Russian acronym for Globalnaya navigatsionnaya sputnikovaya sistema or Global Navigation Satellite System. The satellites are operated by the Russian Space Forces.

http://goo.gl/DjF1I
[Desire HD General] joooe:
Samsung already released a Glonass enabler application for Windows Phone Mango phones.

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...ication-for-its-windows-phone-mango-handsets/
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
Anyone got anymore info on this? The Note sounds awesome at gettin GPS lock using glonass.
[Desire HD General] macfreaknl:
This is really good news but how do I know if it uses these satellites? Having support for it doesn't say it is really going to use it.
[Desire HD General] 555frost555:
Which programs can use both navigation systems?
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Afaik all.

Calculations are done by the chipset and it will also decide if/when activate Glonass or not.

Problem here seems we first need an "activation" of the feature by HTC....I also asked them on Facebook with no answer:mad:

Sony did it. Samsung did it. Come on.....Htc.....just tell right people what to do to have it enabled.....
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
Is there any way to get it ported across from something else?
[Desire HD General] blueazure:
^^ GPS ( Global Positioning System ) is a satellite constellation maintained by the US DoD for military and commercial use.. ( military users ofc have more rapid locks and more precision ,around 2,3 meters )

GLONASS on the other hand is its RUSSIAN rival , gps being american was more 'in' commercially while glonass lagged behind .. only recently has the russian govt made this tech available to comm users

comparing the two, GPS has better precision overall ( but GLONASS is catching up )

other countries are also deploying their own systems , like china's COMPASS ( in progress ) , EU's GALILEO ...

i wont be surprised if in the near future one has options to lock onto GPS,glonass and compass !!!

----------------

back to topic,

hows it possible that one DHD fone can acquire fix frm both GPS and GLONASS ?
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Look at the explaination on the Qualcomm website, there's even a good video explaining it ;)

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[Desire HD General] ozaghloul:
I don't want Putin knowing where my phone is. I don't trust the Evil Empire with a location lock. :D
[Desire HD General] ErMeglio:
Give a look at how both GPS and Glonass work please! No one tracks you, it just does not work that way LOL:rolleyes:

Inviato dal mio HTC Desire HD usando Tapatalk
[Desire HD General] PDub11:
Anyone got anymore news on this?
[Desire HD General] meodowla:
No GLONASS on DHD

The GLONASS enhancement is transparent and backwards compatible with the existing applications but there are ways to see the benefit of the GLONASS satellites. One way is to download and install the free

GPS Test

application by Chartcross Ltd. from Android Market. The satellites numbered 65 to 88 are GLONASS satellites that are being tracked.

From Qualcomm website: "Any device with a Snapdragon ™ S2 or S3 processor is capable of accessing both satellite networks. You’ll have to check with the manufacturer to see if access to the GPS and GLONASS service has been enabled."

No GLONASS support for older HTC mobiles.

---------- Post added at 08:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:52 PM ----------

To save power, the GLONASS receiver is only activated in problematic locations, such as in an urban environment with high rise buildings. Therefore, if you are in an open sky environment where there are enough GPS satellites available to calculate a good accuracy position, GLONASS will automatically be switched off temporarily to enhance the battery lifetime.
[Desire HD General] AtomosVE:
No GLONASS Support :( HTC is the cause.

I've been problematic location(elevator) several seconds all those signals are gone.

I did go outside, first appeared signal was GPS(circle indicator, its number less than 65 in GPS Test), plenty of them also was GPS but GLONASS :(

Seems only One S, X IS ENABLED to use GLONASS by HTC.
[Desire HD General] Muikkuman:
And once again HTC have proven themselves to only see the money and don't give a **** about their customers.
[Desire HD General] ILA:
I see that you are using a newer ROM. Does GLONASS work with that one or any ROM out there for our Desire HD?
[Desire HD General] Hunt3r.j2:
What?

This is probably one of the dumber things I've heard today. GLONASS is only enabled on newer devices because it requires a firmware update and possibly support for another GPS frequency.
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lyricalchaos:
how do i unlock my bootloader if im on 2.4.4 rooted but have recovery
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bladestonez:
same way everyone else does, you start by clicking search or google it
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Spend an evening with the partner & kids watching movies atm
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
I spend it usually filling out police reports because some damn can driver got into an accident and I'm the general manager at the cab Co where I work. Lucky me.
[Off-topic] NuriJ:
Sleeping....?
[Off-topic] jaszek:
Just go check the drunk thread tonight.
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
Getting drunk, do something completely idiotic, then go home and read through Jaszek's entertaining drunken posts before collapsing in my own vomit of old tacos and hot dogs :p

Ah, alcohol; you are hilarious!
[Off-topic] idavid_:
One word: vodka :p

¤The statement below is true.

The statement above is false.¤
[Off-topic] BeerChameleon:
Go home and drink lots of beer and watch movies and tv shows with the gf :D

I like to go out, but trying to avoid it as it eats way too much money! :(
[Off-topic] depthsounder:
Play Settlers of Catan and drink beer.
[Off-topic] paracarro:
send my 6th reply thinking how arrive at the 10th...to become able to send in other locked thread :D
[Off-topic] Mazer.one:
Send my 8th reply for me ...
[Off-topic] NightHawk877:
I hang with my girlfriend at her house.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Or I might be working, which sux
[Off-topic] Magikarp:
Watch hockey (Go Leafs Go) if it's on.. If not, just watch TV, surf the web.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
This week it was the Xmas parties I had to go to
[Off-topic] adelmundo:
Past several weeks it's been going to raves and underground parties, but last night it was movie and dinner with the wife (watched the new Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows movie)
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Spent all of it coding until 3 am :eek:
[Off-topic] EvoSideHustlAZ:
Go to several strip clubs which I'm a regular at and blow money,make it rain.then take the party to my place.
[Off-topic] King28:
I am one of the guys, they sitting in the house and play games ;) Sorry for my bad english :D^^
[Off-topic] Jay Rock:
My fridays are like any other day in my life. Nothing special about it.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Lol, sounds like fun
[Off-topic] Behzadsh:
working on my projects till the next day :D
[Off-topic] Archer:
I sit at home on xda
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
visit www.lonelynerds.org :(
[Off-topic] Jay Rock:
LMAO!!! :D
[Off-topic] likeurface:
chill on Pandora for a few hours, then play mw3 for a bit. Then think about all of the homework I have to do during the weekend (which usually leads to regret of not doing it when it was assigned).

I need to stop unintentionally stealing peoples sigs
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Lol, gold
[Off-topic] benjamingwynn:
XDA took over my life. I dont know what day it is.
[Off-topic] Sj1355:
usually friday night is always beer night but today i need to finish some before doing happy time..i am about to update my other website about finance and it is really bad right now good luck to me..
[Off-topic] pawelprz:
Drinkin vodka in Warsaw places

Send from my SGS using Tapatalk PRO
[Off-topic] Broeser:
Modding galaxy s! :D
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Spending my first Christmas relaxing with a coldy before I go out for Christmas lunch
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Off to the gym. Fun
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Who knows?
[Off-topic] kylec:
Me too. Love 24 hour gyms on a Friday night. Nice and quiet
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
It's FRIDAY FRIDAY!
[Off-topic] BeardedB:
Today's Thursday.

Sent from my Sirloin Steak using A1 Steak Sauce.
[Off-topic] T.C.P:
Where do u love?? Its only monday?
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Your both wrong. It's Friday. Of course, by tomorrow we'll all be wrong.

Getting drunk, that's what i do on a Friday. Then again i do that every other day too.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Lol, I'm gunna be at the gym again next Friday
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Who knows if we will still be alive next friday? :eek:
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Lol
[Off-topic] :
Just Customize my G2 even more, Work, spend time with my girl hmm and Loving XDA@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

haha anyways take care
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Go to the Elks club.... :rolleyes:

No Elks though ....

Wasn't me!! I didn't do it!
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Study physics!

Aaaaaaww yeah
[Off-topic] Dirk:
V = Vo + A?
[Off-topic] Karakoram2:
Physics. Cool. My dad is a physics prof. I never got the chance to take a class, but it always sounded interesting.
[Off-topic] AndroidStyle:
i sit infront of the mirror and eat popcorn while watching myself.
[Off-topic] itsbeertimenow:
Right now heading to a club for dranks currently on a train.

Sent from anus using xda crap
[Off-topic] BloodyRory:
Usually end up sitting at home during the winter. My friends have sports and stop do I so there really isn't much time to do anything when I get home. Sumner time is fun though cause nobody has anything going on and it's nice out so I usually hang out with people then.
[Off-topic] domini99:
I wass watching the movie: Get Smart. So funny
[Off-topic] lamborg:
for me, its just like any other night.
[Off-topic] WindowsPhoneBoard.com:
I usually work friday nights. Because i am working at the bar i dont really have any chance to get off
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Got a gym session with the pt this friday
[Off-topic] mrnapolean1:
I sit at the house and surf the Internets!
[Off-topic] naviii:
Gym session, drink with my friends and then paaaarty!
[Off-topic] Edge1978:
Same here. Work, and then veg out. Saturday is usally my going out night :D
[Off-topic] .Fè:
I usually go to play basketball :D
[Off-topic] fluxgfx:
Friday is entirely up in the air...

Me and the hubby usually have a few people over for drinks and what not. But usually the going out night is Saturday night to the clubs :)
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Sounds like fun :P
[Off-topic] kowal248:
Friday = girl + cinema ( sometimes :D ) or beer and friends ;)
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Both sound tempting :D
[Off-topic] Babydollll:
Goto the hospital and then buy a desk in IKEA....
[Off-topic] galaxys:
Hang out with the AVN girls :D;)
[Off-topic] ebolamayinga:
Working the 5th nightshift in a row... :(
[Off-topic] YZ:
I do:

nothing.

the only picture I found without the F word :eek:
[Off-topic] scoffyburito:
Your post scared me thinking xda app had a force close with that huge gap

AOKP 4 LYF
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Just had to break out the CO2 extinguisher for my Scroll-Wheel!

Thanks for that. I'll be smelling the scent of burning plastic all night now!
[Off-topic] Jay Rock:
Skype with my girlfriend
[Off-topic] processorsaurus:
Usually rest, movie and a beer.
[Off-topic] benjamingwynn:
You had to quote that didn't ya. Lol

Sent from my Wildfire S powered by .sense using my fingers.
[Off-topic] boidian:
Nightshift work ╯▂╰
[Off-topic] usaff22:
Work. Lots of it.
[Off-topic] :
Drink a few beer and really give it to the Wifey. Being married is awesome btw.
[Off-topic] mrmeexx:
with some friend, drinking some beer :)
[Off-topic] Android_Monsters:
Had a nice chat with my gf last night. She sent me dirty pictures
[Off-topic] rshabadoo:
Usually unwind with a beer, maybe a movie. Saturday's are where it's at, Friday is for relaxing after the week's done.
[Off-topic] mibuwolf:
Relax with a beer and then afterwards hit the clubs.
[Off-topic] NetBender:
I study for the day after...

In Italy there are lessons saturday..
[Off-topic] DexterMorganNL:
The same I do every night, sitting behind my notebook watching movie and surf the internet.
[Off-topic] Siznex:
Pray that always gets salvation :D

and studying, doing homework :D:D:D + Internet and Singing :D :D
[Off-topic] scoffyburito:
I love it when people quote long op rom posts :D

Sent from the Nokia Galaxy Nexus Arc 5530 Live with Walkman S2 XL XE S X 3G CDMA LTE T-mo PSN Certified Plus with Beats Audio
[Off-topic] nevrlow:
Grab the girl, fill the tank up and cruise thru the night. Late night ihop sessions.

But Monday through Thursday I live in internet land at night.

Swyped From Space Using My ICS Flavored Sensation

Virtuous Inquisition 3.0
[Off-topic] boborone:
Get drunk on the patio coding. Then post in the drunk thread on xda.
[Off-topic] leonironchef:
Watch Friday night rugby league here in Australia with the wife and kid
[Off-topic] aster190:
ponder the meaning of life
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Lol, ponder meaning of life
[Off-topic] lamborg:
Well I am a loner, usually Friday night is like any other night for me.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Mine was spent this week at the gym
[Off-topic] han-yunzhong:
I work in ZTE .
[Off-topic] rejectedsup:
It all depends on the weekend. From going out for drinks to a concert or a peaceful night in watching tv or quality time with someone special.
[Off-topic] Nutterpc:
Mine ATM is spent configuring two diff servers
[Off-topic] Jay Rock:
I watch Laker games if I can catch them.
[Off-topic] TheSkinnyDrummer:
Drink, give wife pickle tickle, sleep. In that order.

Sent from my coffee pot.
[Off-topic] deviler:
Get wasted
[Off-topic] stachelbaer:
party with friends or hang around with my bf
[HTC Sensation] Rubman:
It seems that the sensation already has functionality for the newly released Glonass satellites. According to a Dutch website the Qualcomm S2 and S3 chips already have support built in. Thus the phones already having support are HTC Desire HD, Incredible S and all Sony Ericsson Xperia phones from 2011, as well as recent BlackBerry's like the Bold 9900 and Torch 9860. Most importantly so do the HTC Sensation series and Evo 3D.

The Russian GPS alternative can only be used in conjunction with GPS

Manufacturers and operators must however enable Glonass. On which phones this already happened and how that will happen with updates is unclear.

What benefit can we get from this thinking about gps lock an accuracy since it's already in our sensation but probably not activated yet.

Here is a movie from Qualcomm explaining about Glonass and smartphones with their chipset.

Video

and a link to the site (it's in Dutch)
[HTC Sensation] nawoa:
This is interesting, certainly, but even if the functionality is "available" in a chipset it's not necessarily usable. It probably requires a different antenna design or something, similar to how you need a different antenna for LTE and GSM because they're on different frequencies.
[HTC Sensation] xdviper:
I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
[HTC Sensation] nawoa:
Usually if something's disabled on a hardware level it requires more than just clever rom hackers to enable it, and even then it's not perfect. HTC would need to release official drivers or something.
[HTC Sensation] aNYthing24:
Haha, I just read your tweet. I don't think HTC will go out of their way to enable it, but we'll see.

Here's a link to Qualcomm enabling GLONASS in English.

http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/qualcomm-enables-dual-core-location-on-snapdragon-phones/

http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/12/15/gps-and-glonass-dual-core-location-your-phone

The official Qualcomm article on it says that the T-Mobile S2 has it enabled, maybe we can port their drivers to our phone?
[HTC Sensation] BLEK0TA:
qualcomm made best gps chpisets in mobile phone and im happy i have perfect position accuracy thanks qualcomm (my friend with sgs2 have poor accuracy and must wait every time few minutes to lock gps - with turned off data)
[HTC Sensation] krakout:
Any news on this? I bought an XE a couple of weeks back and I was just reading about GLONASS, ending up in this thread...
[HTC Sensation] FiddleGoose:
Great find Rubman. This is rather interesting.

I do hope HTC and our community can figure this out quickly! :D

GLONASS is very cool, the name alone is kickass. I love seeing new technology come out every day.
[HTC Sensation] lysergic:
Sony Ericsson is gonna enable GLONASS on a bunch of of Xperia phones

Samsung is gonna do the same for the Galaxy Note. Hopefully HTC will wake up and join the trend...

//lys
[HTC Sensation] youR.Fate:
This maybe due to the fact, that Russia is planning on forcing a increased tax on navstar GPS devices which are not capable of using GLONASS GPS:

via "Сотовые и навигаторы без ГЛОНАСС обложат пошлиной в 25% [Non-GLONASS-capable mobiles and satnavs will incur 25% duty]" (in Russian). RBC. 2010-10-27. Retrieved 2010-10-27.

(Coppied that section from Wikipedia, would provide the source link, but don't have enough posts yet.)

The company I work for includes GLONASS GPS receivers in their devices (no phones) for this reason.
[HTC Sensation] mrbkkt1:
GPS is super accurate on my sensation, and Lock is within a few seconds. Way better than my n1 . Why would I want to further drain my phone? It would be cool as a hack, but nothing more to me.
[HTC Sensation] krakout:
GPS reception had improved significantly from my Diamond HD to my Desire HD and then took another leap forward when I got me my Sensation XE (and my wife's Wildfire S, for that matter!). Much faster locking and quite accurate. Even locks from within the appartment!

That said, there are times where it shows some deficiencies, especially when I'm stopped. GLONASS is supposed to offer much higher accuracy - and let's face it, more is better :)

Who knows, maybe you can disable GPS and switch to GLONASS altogether...?
[HTC Sensation] omar302:
Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
[HTC Sensation] krakout:
HD2? Better? Aw, come on, maybe if you live on a satellite :D
[HTC Sensation] The Whistler:
Yes, also my good old HD (without 2 :D) has a better GPS reception than my Sensation now. Sees on average 1-2 satellites more and the satellites it sees have on average a 10% better S/N.

So indeed, it would be highly appreciated from my side to also have GLONASS support on the Sensation. And as GLONASS is only "turned on" when GPS reception is poor, this would not mean too much additional battery drain... :)

As it seems that HTC will be forced to support GLONASS by the Russian government, I hope that it will only be a matter of time before this comes true...

The Whistler
[HTC Sensation] krakout:
+1 about HTC and Russia.

Who knows, maybe it was just me, with all my WinMo devices the experience sucked pretty often, with total blackouts. Even my wife's Wildfire S is able to lock in a couple of seconds and without having to hold it against a window as was the case with my older devices. Maybe it's geography-related? I'm in Greece...
[HTC Sensation] omar302:
Based on your experience, I would say its "aGPS" related. As in "assisted GPS that is supposed to be enabled/featured by your operator. As I remeber, Windows Mobile never had "aGPS", so it would make sense that you Android devices are taking advantage of aGPS compared to the WM devices.

Try this, remove SIM cards & turn off wifi to make sure aGPS is not used, then try to get a cold lock.
[HTC Sensation] krakout:
WinMo did have aGPS. I remember actually downloading and updating the ephemeris manually in desperation to try and get something to show up...

Nice idea, just tried it; got 9 satelites within 4 seconds!
[HTC Sensation] stevocz:
hi. nothing new about sensation and glonass?
[HTC Sensation] masondoctorjt:
The Hd2 GPS really is phenomenal. I pulled out my old hd2 the other day. Or hasn't been powered up since October, and GPS locked within seconds. (And I was inside)I was thinking there was something wrong with my sensation, but now that I see this it makes me feel better. Hd2 just had awesome gps.
[HTC Sensation] Phil750123:
Let hope they enable this, Glonass is by far better than GPS,

gps satellites are 30+ years old, so rubbish they had to put up a new satellites to send down corrections to us. (named EGNOS for europe and WAAS for US)

Glonass is around 3 years old, much newer satellites, plus the Russians have agreed to change standards/freq to coniside with other GNSS , like GPS and the new European one being put up at the minute (Galileo) which will be even better, when its up! (might be a while though)

I for one cannot see why HTC dont enable this and i believe it a huge selling feature , why have something on your phone and not use it, when it better then what you do use! Lets hope HTC will enable it , they do tend to listen to customer concerns if they are loud enough!
[HTC Sensation] pafchu:
I think that htc must do something about that !
[HTC Sensation] hexen88:
Actually GLONASS has started 1976. 3 years is a life of one satellite (1st generation). In 2003 - GLANASS 2nd generation started (2x better life than before). For 1.1.2012 - 31 satellites, from this, 3 are reserved (not operational) and 24 operational. Also 5 days ago - 26.02.2012, new generation has been started - 3rd GLONASS-K, with less weight, more signals, and 10 years of life. But there is only one 3rd satellite, and it's not activated yet.

So you were wrong at all, saying anything with "3 years", except life of each satellite

It will be MUCH MUCH better if we can use GALILEO positioning system, than GLONASS or GPS, or even chinesse COMPASS. GLONASS is just very unstable.