yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] Esteway.619:
This made me lol so hard. :D
[Off-topic] albundy2010:
That 4g statement was cute. In reality sprint's 4g is utter bull****. And you pay extra for it. The only more ****ty then sprint's 4g is their 3g.
[Off-topic] DirtyShroomz:
How much do additional lines on a data plan cost in the other three carriers?
[Off-topic] nevrlow:
My gfs dad was arguing with me calling my ns a toy. Hes unlocked on tmobile. I asked how EDGE was treating him. :)

sent from my Nexus S
[Off-topic] albundy2010:
I don't know or care. It does not even matter for what he stated. Poking fun at iPhone GSM users by saying how is your 4g service is just dumb.
[Off-topic] kibmcz:
On the subject of fanboyism... i know someone who thinks apple is soo great he was willing to buy a iPhone 3G cause he thinks its better (Mainly cause he claims lcd is far higher quality than amoled). Wouldn't even consider a 3GS or a 4 because they are too expensive.. SO yea cheapo fanboy.

To make things worse he is judging android based on a old samsung phone that was end of life when he bought it and was stuck at like eclair (was forced to root it out of box just to make it do anything half decent). He wouldn't even consider a Nexus S with Super LCD (i9023) because it was too expensive.

To simplify things.... you can't win a war with a fanboy you are just hitting your head on a brick wall.
[Off-topic] uansari1:
A Nexus is a toy against the iphone? That's a new one. Who's got the cartoonish looking ui..?
[Off-topic] fearbeta:
Radio shack employees got the epic touch for fifty bucks employee promo. I will trade him an iPhone 4s for his just to have an extra. Put Ubuntu on it and use it as a tablet.
[Off-topic] baolongn:
arguing with an apple fan boy is like arguing with a lawyer or any to be lawyer. It never ends and when it gets near closing, they bring up some new moot point.

When iOS 5 came out, it was clearly a rip off Android. I dont understand how apple fan boys don't see that.
[Off-topic] BrianDigital:
I,usually respond with....tel them they are right and how much better the smart phone market would be if IPhones were the only device to pick from.....then I ask if they ever fixed not being able to delete songs if their amazing phone
[Off-topic] bdpyo:
I hate when people think the iPhone is a 4G phone. :facepalm:
[Off-topic] niteshjain92:
I feel the same way but at&t does that....for them any speed beyond 3g like hsupa+ is 4g.....it a marketing trick
[Off-topic] albundy2010:
What's funny is you people that see 4g in a phones name and think it has faster data speeds than the so iPhone just because it is not labeled as 4g.

There is my speed as I wrote this on the nexus s GSM model. Talking about marketing crap. Sprints 4g is the perfect example of it
[Off-topic] danifunker:
I just call them iLemmings :)
[Off-topic] BrianDigital:
Wimax works great when in a strong area it's the freq bands that blow but that will changing soon enough. I suppose clear should have never started then and Tmobile since all the good freq bands were already taken.....I do like computation though
[Off-topic] psvillars:
good luck getting that speed in VA lmao. I've read multiple times that mobile speed really depends on where you live some with have better coverage than most.

As for the Android vs Iphone thing that too is taste I have both a nexus s 4g and a ipod touch and while IOS is great for a music player I like having widgets and my info at first glance my mom on the other hand, prefers IOS because it is just a simple interface to her and she gets around the ipad fairly quickly but on her epic 4g she might as well be looking at a human brain lol. So its just preference.
[Off-topic] hp420:
yeah right....iPhone's crappy ass 3g will never see speeds like this....ever!!
[Off-topic] albundy2010:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4971/apple-iphone-4s-review-att-verizon/3

9mb down on crappy 14.4 3g on the 4s. 6.1mb down on crappy iphone 4 7.2 3g
[Off-topic] koolkid09:
You are right about this. I stay in Greensboro. It was one of the launch cities for 4g. I can barely walk down the street without loosing 4g connection. And this is downtown. And don't get me started on 3g speeds.

Luckily I stay on campus at my school and we have wifi everywhere!
[Off-topic] hp420:
The only time I ever lose 4g is when I switch to ics. I haven't seen 3g on a GB rom yet.

btw, that speedtest was without any data tweaks, etc. applied. if I wanted to tweak it like the link in albundy2010's post to speed up the iP4s, then I could easily achieve the same speeds they say they can get with their over-priced paperweight.

....and in all honesty, if you ever want to shut up an idiot iPhone fanboy just mention the words 'open-source'....until apple goes open-source, they will always be the baby, immature, under-developed option. If you like not being able to do anything or have any flexibility with your phone beyond what apple's dictators tell you you can get, then this is the phone for you.

IMHO, you can't get any better than a nexus. Yeah, I know there are androids out there with better hardware specs....but IMHO, nexus is the tits!! They give you a bare slate and say 'hey!! Unlock our **** so you can make it exactly the way YOU, the consumer, wants it with minimal effort!!'
[Off-topic] Evo_Shift:
Same here. I work in a hospital and you would not believe how Doctors drool and seem to be in love with their iPhones. I am the only person with an android device and in conferences I will enable the tethering with funny messages as my ssid but keep it locked. Pretty funny since their phones don't get reception in the basement so I know they are connecting to wifi and seeing it.
[Off-topic] johnsongrantr:
you know what irritates me? when people put Mb in stuff instead of MB... while more accurate technically... it's misleading... the uneducated say HOLY **** 6 megs a second!

but in reality it's like 750KB a sec...

bits, bytes... gotta love marketing
[Off-topic] bdpyo:
He's just mad you're pounding his daughter. Lol
[Off-topic] nevrlow:
True story

sent from my Nexus S
[Off-topic] bdpyo:
pics? :cool:
[Off-topic] albundy2010:
There is nothing tweaked on anand's review of the device.
[Off-topic] Shark_On_Land:
+1
[Off-topic] Shark_On_Land:
I do the same thing in my house. I call it "the molestation pedofile"
[Off-topic] Archer:
Probably jealous.
[Off-topic] :
Too soon...:cool:

-We do what we must because we can; for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead-
[Off-topic] Archer:
You don't know which way I meant it ;)
[Off-topic] dexter93:
:eek:
[Off-topic] :
iSheep dancing in the iCloud. :D
[Off-topic] dexter93:
I didn't know there were apple trees in the cloud :eek:
[Off-topic] Shark_On_Land:
Lil b was here.
[Off-topic] :
Technically, isn't the iPhone a Samsung phone?
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Most of it's hardware yes ... but can't compare it to the sgs2
[Off-topic] Skv012a:
For ATT folk with this debate- get an iCrap- boned to overpay for data because no matter what you do, they WILL know what you use; get any other android or not phone that ATT never had, milk dummy phone 10/mo unlimited and rub it in iSheeps' faces.
[Off-topic] :
Samsung makes iPhone, then makes SGS2 and laughs at iPhone for it's lack of awesomeness. ;) Way to one up yourself Samsung lol

-We do what we must because we can; for the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead-
[Off-topic] DannyDrama:
Can you even send files via Bluetooth on iOS yet? Haha.:p

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Off-topic] ssjwiggy:
Hah, same thing at my work. If people say they're getting a new phone, we usually encourage an Android-powered phone (I'm in their IT dept :P)
[Off-topic] Nicgraner:
I was arguing with my friend who had just gotten his 4S and I was like well what makes it better than my phone? (Glacier) and he said, "well mine has a dual core a5 chip" I responded, "do you even know what that means?" Him, "no..."
[Off-topic] nevrlow:
Lol thats awesome.

Sent from my SensatioN
[Off-topic] :
See, it would be pointless to have a dual core chip if you can't do anything with it! Its pointless on a iPhone.
[Off-topic] bdpyo:
dont threaten me with a good time. :scared:
[Off-topic] Adauth:
Most radioshack employees are morons.
[Off-topic] Montoyatok:
This radioshack guy sounds like my friend

He basically worships apple
[Off-topic] :
I have sheep. Sheep are pretty great animals to care for. Apple fanbois are not.
[Kindle Fire General] SikYou:
There is a lot of information floating around about the factory cable but there doesn't seem to be a thread dedicated to the topic. I bricked my device today so I need to make a factory cable. I tried making a cable but I f'd up the soldering job so I am awaiting delivery of a breakout board. I just wanted to gather some information here on the topic because there seem to be a lot of bricks popping up around here. So for now I am going to post what I know and ask a few questions here and there so that I can get my cable done and hopefully help someone out along the way.

When I started messing around with soldering a jumper from pin 1 to pin 4 i melted the connector, blah, blah, anyway, I screwed it up. Hopefully I will have more luck with the breakout (see below).

From what I understand, using the cable is a simple a plugging it in so I guess that part is self explanatory for now.

I got most of my information about the cable and how to make it from here. Lots of good info with pics and diagrams.

Someone in these forums recomended using this breakout board. I ordered 2 of them today so I will let you guys know how it goes when they get here.

My one big question is about the the jumper from pin 1 to pin 4; I read that some people are using a resister and I am unclear as to where the resister is being used and the specs of the resister. Please enlighten me :p

I might add some pics to this thread just for fun. If you have built this cable please jump in a post any information that might help.

Thanks

BTW-You can buy a cable here but I have yet to see them listed as "in stock"
[Kindle Fire General] animefun135:
I'm interesting to how correctly build this cable...
[Kindle Fire General] MayfairDROID:
I simply used a jumper wire. No resistor used. I hear a 1k can be used as a precaution, but is not necessary. Without the resistor, it works like a champ. I turned off the Kindle, Plugged in the "Factory cable", and it went directly into fastboot.

PIN out is as follows on the SparkFun Breakout board:

VCC: RED

D-: White

D+: Green

ID: Jumper RED

GND: Black
[Kindle Fire General] SikYou:
Thanks a ton! I was looking confirmation that this wod work without a registered.

So I assume you fixed you device or accomplished whatever it was that you where trying to do?
[Kindle Fire General] MayfairDROID:
hahaha...Nope :) I didn't have anything wrong, but before I went modding, I wanted to be sure I could get into FastBoot if I messed something up. I have tested and made sure that I had Fastboot commands, so I know it works.
[Kindle Fire General] pyrostic:
A resistor is the "safe" route. Mine doesn't have one at all and woks flawlessly. You just need a resistor large enough to simulate a short to the device. I imagine anything above 250k would be more than enough.

But as I said before I have used mine more than most people probably have while testing TWRP, I don't have a resistor and it works fine.
[Kindle Fire General] pyrostic:
Was just thinking. If you used a female breakout board with a male breakout board you could essentially ground the male boards ground to the male boards vcc. And the female boards ground to the male boards ground as well.

This way you could leave vcc hanging (capped of course) from the female source (computer) side.

Aditionally you could put in a dual pole switch between ground from the the target (kindle side) and vcc on the target side that would toggle between ground on the target side and vcc on the source side. Essentially eliminating the need for two cables and letting you switch from a factory cable to a normal cable with the flip of a button.

Hope this sparks some good conversation :-).
[Kindle Fire General] teookie:
I built one with the sparkfun breakout board. Piece of cake if you have some soldering skillz. You might melt something or make a mess if you haven't soldered anything before so I recommend practicing on something else first and/or watching some "how to solder" youtubes.

I configured mine with a female header in the pin 4 location, and a 400 ohm resistor coming off of pin 1. If I want to fastboot, I put the free end of the resistor into the female header. To use the cable like an ordinary USB cable, I just pull the free end back out. It's kinda nice to use the same cable for everything.

RE: resistor value. Since any value up to 1K ohm reportedly works, I thought I might as well use one vs just running a direct short. The higher the value of your resistor, the greater the chances that it won't work though. I used the one I did because it was less than 1K ohm, I had it on hand, and it's a higher wattage resistor with thicker wire that fits nicely in the female header.

FWIW, YMMV. :D
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
This will NOT work, as the female breakout boards from Sparkfun does NOT have a breakout trace for pin 4 present. Only the male breakout boards have all 5 pins/traces needed. I've purchased hundreds of both and sold thousands of download mode JIG's for Samsung phones, and was forced to modify the female breakout boards to include a pin 4 trace for special projects of mine. I do not know if they since added the trace or not and its been over a year now since I asked for this feature.

Is there even a market for these factory cables?

EDIT: I know this post used to be how to get a cable from me, but I ran out of the actual cables and never replaced them. With only about one request per week or month I decided to stop stocking the cables. I have everything else though (new micro ends etc) to build a professional one if you want to send a old cable to me.
[Kindle Fire General] SikYou:
Probably not much of a market. I think most of us are attempting to make our own. I'm sure you could sell a few but I wouldn't quit your day job ;-)
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
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[Kindle Fire General] SikYou:
I would buy 1
[Kindle Fire General] kfuller:
Nice. Mine looks positively nasty (but it works). What I did was buy a cheap 8" usb micro male to usb micro female adapter, cut it in half, stripped the wires back, and twisted them back together. Then simply jumpered the two wires together and taped the whole mess up. The hardest part was getting a meter on the usb micro pins. Had to clip my meter leads to a needle to get to them. Had to wear my glasses too. They are really small and close together.

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Oh, and I forgot to point out that the reason for using the usb micro male to female cable is that you are insured of a wire on pin 4 with this approach, rather than an unsoldered pin to test your soldering skills. You will of course still need a micro to the normal usb cable to go from this to your pc, but I already had that on hand.
[Kindle Fire General] teookie:
Considering the number of kindle fires that have sold, I bet you could easily sell 50 of those cables on ebay.

I'd probably buy one even though I've already made my own. Your's look really nice!
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
Thanks, but the pictures I posted are of my Samsung Download Mode JIG's, they are NOT Motorola Factory jig's, lol... I ONLY posted pics of my Samsung jig's to show how dedicated I am to making quality stuff for us device flashing junkies. Factory Adapters would not look anything like what I posted, they would just be a Mini to Micro usb adapter with the proper short from pin 1 to 4 (user would have to supply their own standard cable, which most people already have). I have NOT sourced any adapters yet, but I have sent emails to some of my suppliers asking about them. No replies as of yet... I did find a few cables but I do not like cutting products up, I instead like making something that looks like it was produced on a assembly line, lol. Doing the mod to an adapter just seems smarter, as the end result is a clean functional product without any visible damage.

1. I would need to source adapters that are either already un-assembled.

2. Or, can easily be un-assembled and re-assembled.

3. Fairly affordable, 35-50 cents each or something close to.

4. And, be purchased in really small quantities such as lots of 50 to start out with.

5. And most importantly, they must have all 5 pins/wires. MANY adapters do not have all 5 pins on the female side, as pin #4 is simply not needed for most functions. This is why I need to source them first so I can ask questions in regards to pin #4. If the supplier guarantees pin 4 is present on both sides of the adapter, then I can move forward on this product.

I have quite a few emails and PM's for this item already though. Still not convinced its worth it though. How many Kindle Fires have been sold? And how many people actually modify or flash them? lol

EDIT: Let me get this straight. If I try to flash my Kindle Fire and I brick it, I would need a factory cable in order to restore it to functional?
[Kindle Fire General] borborpa:
I'd definitely grab one! I don't think you'll have any problem selling out of 50.
[Kindle Fire General] SikYou:
In many cases people are able to restore a bricked kindle because the Factory cable allows one to boot in to fastboot and repair the system or do a factory reset or whatever needs to be done based on what the brick was caused by.
[Kindle Fire General] emelie:
I'd buy one.
[Kindle Fire General] bsoplinger:
I feel confused. Typical someone says factory to describe an item that comes with a product when you buy it vs. aftermarket. Are you saying that the cable that comes with the fire is somehow special and different from a regular micro USB cable?
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
This is a special cable that puts the device into fastboot mode when the device is otherwise locked up. It is not a normal cable you would get or use that would come with the device or be orderable from the company. It has only one purpose and would not be used again.
[Kindle Fire General] csholmq:
As there are alot of info spread out through the whole thread, maybe SikYou wouldn't mind editing the first post and summarize the instructions for making the factory cable?

From what I understand;

Courtesy of Wikipedia

The USB micro/mini has 5 pins, as opposed to regular USB A/B which has 4 pins. What you want to do is connect pin 1 from the USB A/B to pins 4 on the USB micro/mini connection.

Courtesy of MotoCache1 at droidforums.net

It is recommended that you connect pin 1 (VCC, 5V) to pin 4 with a 100 Ohm resistor. The resistor is there to protect the circuits, in the same way that you never connect a LED directly to VCC, but use a "protective 100 Ohm resistor". Anything below 1K Ohm (1000 Ohm) should work. Above that, the connection is no longer a "short circuit", which is what you want.
[Kindle Fire General] funnylookinkid:
OKAY, so I got my factory cable from SkOrPn - it works fabulously and I believe my device is booting in fastboot.

I couldn't do anything with the device before, but I managed to get it in fastboot and have installed TWRP (flashed the TWRP .img) but now it seems to be stuck on the Yellow Triangle and won't do anything else. If I try to mount the device in TWRP, it isn't recognized on my computer as the computer still recognizes it in fastboot mode, so I can't put any update on TWRP to install it.

Any solutions? That was probably confusing.
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
use the normal cable

and maybe - depending on the mode:

with adb:

adb shell idme bootmode 4000

adb reboot

or

adb shell su -c "idme bootmode 4000"

adb reboot

with fastboot:

fastboot -i 0x1949 oem idme bootmode 4000

fastboot -i 0x1949 reboot

or

fastboot -i 0x18d1 oem idme bootmode 4000

fastboot -i 0x18d1 reboot

or

fastboot oem idme bootmode 4000

fastboot reboot
[Kindle Fire General] funnylookinkid:
THANK YOU! :)

I have to say, I'm incredibly impressed with this forum and the users that frequent it.

My fire is unbricked and I've managed to install the stock ROM of the kindle.

Now to try to root it again.. LOL.
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
All weekend purchases for a Factory Cable has been shipped. Thanks to everyone who has made this an easy and smooth transaction. I hope my Factory cable does what you need it to.

To everyone who has received or going to receive theirs, please consider letting everyone know what you think of it even if its not working for you.

Thanks :D

SkOrPn
[Kindle Fire General] jcom86:
Got mine today in the mail (yeah for USPS!...) and it works perfectly. After playing around with my phone and the cable I was able to boot into AP and flash the fastboot files. Great work on the cable SkOrPn, thank you!
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
Ahh c'mon, no pictures? Pictures or it didn't happen. Id like to know what it looks like... lol

j/k :D
[Kindle Fire General] smirkis:
If u have twrp, all u need to do is choose a pre rooted rom and ur good to go!
[Kindle Fire General] jcom86:
Haha! I'd post pics but I'm still having trouble with the phone. The cable works perfectly but I can't get the phone to turn on without it. Not can I get it to charge the battery. I fear I may have borked the battery..
[Kindle Fire General] Blue Lou:
I had this imported to the UK from New Mexico, it was made (and designed) by SkOrPn.

USPS shipping information was a little disappointing, I didn't receive any further information for days. This is how it looks now, even though I now have the cable:

img812.imageshack.us/img812/4865/usps.jpg (I can't post link due to not having enough posts)

Attached picture of cable, Micro-B 'SkOrPn' design and packaging.

Also, the envelope was insulated with bubble wrapping, so it arrived in one piece.

Good work SkOrPn
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
Thank you Blue, I forget when you ordered it now, but I have seen slower deliveries in the US. One of my customers just got his yesterday on the 31st, but I shipped it on the 18th. From NM to Ohio more than 10 days really? So looks like delivery to the UK is Ok and good to go then.

Thanks again and I hope it works for you.

SkOrPn

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Ouch, well please keep us posted.
[Kindle Fire General] Blue Lou:
I ordered it on the 25th, you dispatched it on the 26th, it arrived today (1st). So 6 days in total to post. Can't complain :)
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
Yeah ok, then you must have great mail service there... It takes that long across the US.
[Kindle Fire General] b63:
you dispatched it on the 26th and i got it on 1st - great !

it's very well packed and in perfect shape - see the picture

just tested - worked like charme

thanks again !
[Kindle Fire General] krelvinaz:
Nice "In focus" picture...
[Kindle Fire General] SkOrPn:
Just so its clear, I only use that extra bubble wrap on International orders. I used to ship my "other" jig's via a small white box which became to expensive, so when I moved to bubble mailers I had a lot of left over bubble wrap. I'm going to use it on International orders only for that extra protection.

Also, someone here has told me to use UPS, not thinking how rude that is after I stated I do not have transportation to such services. So, I re-iterate, I will be using USPS ONLY. If you want UPS Im sure its possible for you to go into your favorite UPS store and purchase a self addressed label, ship it to me via usps, and schedule a UPS pickup at my address. As far as I know you need a UPS account to make pickup requests. OR, pay me double ($30) and I will take the bus to UPS and take care of it myself. Thanks

@ b63, excellent photo, it looks like the International shipping took care of it just fine. Thanks for that. Probably wont always be the case, but its comforting to see.

SkOrPn
[Kindle Fire General] Go-Kung:
Interesting !!

i've sent PM to you, SkOrPn.