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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JacoA:
Hi all,

I am following this topic for a while now, because I suffered from the same problem.

To add my thoughts about this... I think it is kernel/radio related.

The problem started for me, and a lot of others, by using the snq-kernel with 3.- sense roms. I was using robo's rom and in that thread there are a lot of complains about the freezing desires.

Since the beginning of the new ICS-rom of Sandvold I started to see progress and I could use my phone normal again. Usually in the office, with very low-none signal my phone froze immidiatly, but with the new rom, that was one of the few places my phone froze.

To get an hold on it, I installed a wireless router so I got at least signal from wifi. This was a nice thing, because the freezing was gone.

To illustrate my thoughts, today the internet was gone, so no signal from wifi. I turned off my wifi and start using 3g, my phone froze instantly.

I have no clue to get more into this topic, but for me the switch to sanvold's ICS rom worked pretty well. Just try it and see. The rom is ussable as a daily rom, just the last bits has to come together.

Good luck with this further and hope you will get the problem solved.

Cheers!

PS: My specs are: pvt-1, S-on, radio 5.17 (has better duration) stock h-boot
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Soupe:
Hi, I've been having exactly the same problem (freezing, black screen & having to pull the battery)

I had been using Leedroid & Gingervillain, both fantastic roms.

I got so fed up with missing calls I unrooted & returned to stock, 3 weeks, perfect, no issues at all.

I just rooted the phone again & S-off'd but kept to stock rom. Guess what? 3 freezes in 2 days!

So maybe not the rom.....
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I'm having almost no freezes anymore on Seb's ROMs. Yesterday I had a freeze when the screen was still on. Not a real freeze, because I could still switch the screen on and off. But I had to remove the battery to reset.

It happened again at the same place, where the signal is weak. And again when I opened the browser (on low reception internet).
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kai-t:
Sorry for writting back so late!

I can now confirm that my probs are really gone. I tested it now for 2 Month ;-)

No lost SMS or freezed phone. If the ROM does not work correctly the phone reboots, but this happens very rare.

I had Sebs 3.0.3 the last 3 month at the end it was getting a little bit slow. And i also had one day probs with freezes. So i pressed again on the slots and updated yesterday to Sebs 6.0.3.

Everything works fine again.

I am on CM7 r2 and AD2SDX.

I am pretty shure that the thighten of SD and SIM card slot have solved my freeze issues.

I also have a certain procedure now to install ROMs. Perhaps this also helps stabelizing the ROM.

Yes i know i want to post pictures, but you will not see much on them.

So if you want to try if it helps you too:

1.)

first of all press with your finger and fingernail on the SIM and SD card slot so that they get thight. You can try to put the cards in from time to time. Take care to bend till every corner, not only where the card is placed in. You can also take a pencil to bend the slots togehther.

If you have problems getting them in and they just fit it is good. Put them in and just press again everywhere and to every corner with the cards inserted.

2.)

I install a ROM without SIM inserted. I Format SD-Card with Bootmanager. I use 4 ext. I format a 1 GB ext4 and the rest is fat 32. No Swap or second ext partition.

Than i install the ROM with AD2SDX option. I start it and first let it settle down for at least 20 mins. Then restart the ROM and let it settle down again for about 20 mins. Than i restore my apps with Titanium Backup. And some data like described in the Titanium Backup guide here on the forum.

Restart the phone again and let it settle down for about 10 mins.

If everything works fine now i stop the ROM and insert the sim. Squeze again on the SIM slot and start the ROM.

After that procedure my ROM is really stable!

Hope this helps some of you.

Regards

Kai
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Just had a freeze this afternoon :rolleyes:

I tried bending the card slots. The SIM card slot is easy to bend. The SD card slot is more stubborn. I don't know if they're bended enough, but I applied a lot of force on it.

I always install a new ROM with a full wipe. I sometimes do a reformat and repartition (with 4EXT).

I follow this procedure:

Backup all user apps with Titanium Backup

Backup all system data (call logs, sms, bookmarks, ...) with MyBackup Root

Power off completely and boot to recovery (reboot bug in 4EXT)

(optional: NAND Backup)

flash ic_backup_apps (which will copy apks to SD)

Wipe everything (except SD card)

flash ROM

flash ic_restore_apps (which will restore apks only)

reboot, let it settle without accounts

disable fastboot and autobackup

reboot again, add accounts and wait until everything is synced.

restore user data with Titanium & (some) system data with MyBackup root

I will try without SIM card next time.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I used gparted when I first started with custom ROMs. And now, for some reason I can't even use Gparted anymore. I followed the guide exactly, I didn't change anything in my PC, but partitioning my latest sd card (the one that started the freezing problem) with gparted always leads to an error.

Many users advised to use 4EXT for ... ext4 partitions. When I switched to 4EXT recovery the first time, I noticed my ext4 partition (created with gparted) converted itself into ext3. I always tought it was ext4 and it was also needed for the ROM I used back then.

Today I flashed the newest version of Runnymede AIO, with full wipe, and without simcard. But after the install procedure and first boot, the joker screen froze. It was the "can't mount sdcard" error again... With or without a card in the slot, I got the same error. This has to mean something, it's not the first time this happens. :confused: 4EXT recovery advised me to do a USB unbrick. So I did, powered off, rebooted and it was fixed.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Ok, new episode in the freezing story.

So I tried my old card again, the Sandisk 8GB class2. Installed Runnymede 6.0.4.1 (the latest stable). For a few days, my phone was stable. But today I had a freeze again. Not on an incoming call this time. Anyway I removed the battery and rebooted. But I couldn't... Everything booted until the pin code screen, which froze again.

Booting to recovery (4ext touch 1.0.0.3 beta7) takes a long time and everything goes very slow. When I tried to restore I get the message: "directory doesn't contain any zip files" Windows can't read the card either... :eek:

I don't know what to do now...

Samsung card: daily freezes, can't find sd card on other roms than Runnymede

Sandisk card: less freezes, but data gets corrupted if it occurs
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a_person:
Just to add my experiences, as I've suffered the same sort of issues on two Desires now, and trying many different roms... (now using my favourite, minimalist, dGB - so no ext3 or whatever complications.)

The common factors in freezes were:

1) a particular SD card being used

AND

2) the phone using mobile data (eg GPRS, Edge, etc - NOT wifi) OR receiving/sending a telephone call/SMS.

It lasted a day or more without problems, but once it's crashed the first time, it tends to do frequently, often immediately on reboot and thereafter.

The problematic SD card is Sandisk 16GB 4x (as sold by HTC themselves! - though this one's from eBay, but has been checked with h2testw without any problems found.)

Using my 4GB Sandisk 2x card, I've experienced NO freezes.

I cannot think of a logical link between SD card and mobile data... except maybe some SD cards require more mA to read/write..? That's just speculation, I have no real idea.

Confess I have not tried the "suspect" SD card in a purely stock phone yet :o .

(I tried - and failed!! - to revert to/install the latest RUU on my first Desire to test this. The nice people at HTC have fixed it FOC, so will test the "suspect" SD card in it when I get it back.)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souldrinker:
Yes, the sd card and low 3g reception seem to be related regarding freezes. As reported in other threads bad 3g signal causes massive battery drain and when combined with power consuming sd cards we might have the recipe for freezes?

As mentioned earlier I never had issues with my old Kingston card, but since switching to a SanDisk 16gb class 4 card a couple of months back I often get freezes in low signal areas.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I agree that minimalistic ROMs could solve a lot. But I tried AOSP Roms and disliked them immediately, personal opinion. I can imagine some people want to setup their phone from scratch, but I want out-of-the-box completeness. It's just sad that probably the best Sense ROM (Runnymede, imo.) is also the heaviest on phone resources. EDIT: ICS looks quite promising though (said by a sense-user)

As I described here, I'm also having problems installing other ROMs on that samsung card. Beats me completely what could be wrong there...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a_person:
Hi Ronok,

The point I was trying to make is that dGB also crashed when using the 16GB card. It was only when I used the 4GB card that it worked (and continues to work!!) okay.

Thinking about it, I didn't have any probs with my 2GB Sandisk card (no class rating printed) either.

Sense or not, ext3/4 partitions or not, doesn't seem to make any difference; it's just the SD card as far as I can tell. As I intimated above, I haven't tried ALL permutations. When I get my other Desire back, I'll experiment further.

How are you getting on now with your Sandisk 8GB class 2 card?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Oh, sorry, misunderstood. I didn't have the opportunity to try another ROM (because of that strange sd card behaviour), so I wouldn't know if they are more/less stable.

I binned the old card. It seems like when something happened (like the freeze) all (or some) data was corrupted. I'd rather stay with the "unstable" samsung which isn't fubar after a freeze.

I tried Gparted live today. First with the old card which worked perfectly. But the samsung card is not recognised... That has to mean something. Is there some rogue data interfering with the file systems? I formatted this card a few times, but didn't have time to wipe it completely yet.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcly:
seems like I'm not the only one with not working ROMs

Read that article about SDcards reducing performance of your phone and thought, hold on it might be the SDcard..

Had a 1GB card that came with the Desire, then swapped it for 4GB Samsung class 2, which I had no problem with, then came Sandisk 16GB class 4, which theoretically should be better but all the ROMs kept force closing or boot looping so had to switch back..

anyone recommend any Desire-compatible sdcard for MIUI?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Force closes and bootloops are generally caused by wrong partition layouts or residue data on partitions. The freezing problem is something that happens to roms with the right partitions and full wipes.

But I agree, you can't really be sure about the sd card brand or class. It can cause all sorts of problems.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fisha21:
Thanks for reporting back, glad its all working for you. Have to say, was happy to see this thread - my phone was starting to drive me crazy, was thinking I was alone!

Just to add my 2pence worth - my freezes only happen when I have a SIM card in the phone. If I take the SIM out, phone is super smooth. Fingers crossed bending the SIM enclosure will fix my issues...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phsetaknev:
@happy 20b

Which version of Runnymede are you using?

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

AlphaRev CM7 r2

BRAVO PVT4 SHIP S-OFF

HBOOT - 6.93.1002

MICROP-051d

TOUCH PANEL-SYNT0101

RADIO-5.17.05.23

ROM: Runnymede AIO V6.0.4.1 S.E [AD2SDX Aramullz][4EXT Recovery][RCTeam Tweaks]

Kernel: droidzone@supernova #11
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdazebra:
Hello all,

I had this same problem as well, no matter which rom or radio.

Finlay I did two things that may solved this problem (for now...):

1. Put a paper between the battery and the Sim card (pushing the Sim card down).

2. Unchecked "back up my settings" (Menu -> Settings -> Privacy)

I'm now experienced no freezes for 2 full days (before it freezes almost immediately after reboot)

Please check if this helps and report.

My current setup:

HBOOT: Bravo CM7 r2

Rom: InsertCoin 1.1.4

Radio: 5.17.05.23

Partition: one 1024gb 4ext

Recovery: 4EXT Recovery Touch v1.0.0.3 RC 3
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
That's seems to have helped a lot of people. Also another card (not only the type, but also the thickness could be important), bending the card slots...

But I installed RSK Team's sense 3.5 ROM last week. The topic is closed now, but development is continued here. Since that rom, I'm not having any freezes anymore... :cool: Before I was running Seb's Runnymede AOI (which is almost the same ROM) and had daily freezes. I can't tell what's so different between these two ROMs, but I guess I found my solution (knock on wood).
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fisha21:
So, nearly 3 weeks later and I've gone from multiple freezes a day to none at all. So nice to have a reliable phone again. FWIW I pushed down on both the SD card and SIM enclosures. Had to push fairly firmly. One word of warning. I pushed (quite hard) on the SD enclosure with the card inserted - since then the card cannot be read by the phone or my laptop. May just be coincidence but I'd recommend removing the SD and SIM cards before bending the enclosures.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yopus:
success story

Without visible changes, several freezes per day:

Restore a backup from AIO 5.1.2

Flashed AIO 6.4.0.3

Test with snq kernel

Test with Droidzone kernel

Set to cpufreq

Change governor to on demand

Limit CPU frequency range to 580-960

Change UV/OV by a few steps (tried both directions)

Improvement: less freezes but still some

Flashed Mildwild V3.3

Switched off mobile data connection

Much better, only 1 freeze

Bend SD and SIM Card slot

Success?

Preferred network: Changed from WCDMA preferred to GSM auto (PRL)

I thought this was it as I don't have freeze since then.

But then I checked it the settings changed back to WDCMA preferred (don't know whether it's because of a reboot or because I flashed back a ROM backup)…

Conclusion

I came to think that the bending/pushing of the card slots is the winner :D

current setup: AIO 6.4.0.3 CM7/r2 with IceFisha theme for Sense 3.5

cpu freq smartassV2 245/1075, kernel droidzone 24/01/12

And like others have already reported, it may have started when I started switching SIM cards when I was in a foreign country...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] شیرخدا:
What SD Cards are people using?

Hi I'm very sorry for reviving a oldish thread like this but after reading the whole thing and seeing the solutions that have worked for different users with their respective setting I think a few points are general like the SD Card and radio so if you could please reply with the radio and SD Card that you have used that resulted in the least amount of freezes it would be much appreciated.

Just as a side note, does anyone have any theories about why pushing in the card enclosure seems to prevent the freezes? I know someone wrote that it might be something to do with the SD Card loosing contact with the phone thus the phone not being able to read from the SD Card when it is using something from it resulting in a freeze. But it seems after putting all the different scenarios together and also all the solutions it point more towards a power issue, the more power the phone uses the more likely it is to freeze but then why would depressing the card holders affect that?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I don't think the radio is causing it. Some radios have better reception, but if you're having this problem, it will freeze anyway. But it also beats me why some people get it solved by bending the slots. So it could be anything really.

I tried different things already (for about 4 months). Kernels, hboots, roms (if possible, because not all roms recognise my card), different scripts, governors, UV, minfrees,... One thing that works always is full wiping. After a full wipe and fresh install, my phone is stable for a few days. But I don't want to be wiping and restoring backups every 2-3 days...

I ordered a new SD card, I hope this works.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
An update: since upgrading my phone I gave the desire to my son who uses it constantly with no freezes for over 6 weeks. However, the sd card is used only to store music - no apps2sd or anything like that.

My theory is that some desires have a bad sd card connection which results on a freeze if the rom is trying to read data from the card and card corruption the rest of the time (hence why the phone works great after a wipe/format but starts to act up later as the poor connection starts to corrupt the sd card data)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grmm22:
Possibly a breakthrough

I've been trying various settings over the past months and have had some success in the last few days (fingers crossed). I was getting freezes whenever using the mobile network, but not now. What I tried:

Tightening SIM and SD Card slot - No change in freeze behaviour :(

ROM change from Runnymede AIO 4.0.7 to 4.0.3 (Latest stable) - No change :(

Switched power optimisation off - No change :(

Reset network selection mode from ROM default (WCDMA preferred) to GSM Only - Froze within 5 seconds :mad:

Reset mode to WCDMA only - No freezes for 5 days solid :D

Looking good so far, then.

I've seen posts elsewhere saying that people get freezes on 2G but not 3G and my experience seems match theirs. Sadly 3G coverage isn't as good as 2G where I live, so I think my best working solution is to use 2G (GSM only) for phone only and 3G (WCDMA only) when out of range of Wifi and need the mobile network.

I'll report if there are any more developments. I might try a 4 GB class 6 SD card to see if GSM Only likes this any better than my current 8GB card.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Hmm

Not sure if it's related or coincidence, but since i'm using Easy Battery Saver from Google Play Store, I didn't have a freeze. This app disables mobile data most of the time when in deep sleep. So freezes on incoming calls, caused by bad reception, might be avoided this way.

And it saves battery too :D I know, I don't receive mails and weather updates as they arrive, but I don't need that.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] شیرخدا:
Just to update, using a 8Gb class 10 its been over a week and no problems so far. Fingers crossed, hoping it will last.

Also Ronok you have not changed anything else just started using the Easy Battery Saver app? If that's the case my suspicions that the problem may be an power related one may hold more weight.

But then that raises the q1uestion why did the last poster find that changing from 2g to 3g help in his situation Humm... this problem really is a conundrum.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unklug:
Similar problems

Hi, I've been having similar problems to the one posted here in that when I am in poor reception areas my phone freezes and needs the battery removed to get things going again.

My Desire was bought on the 3 network in the UK and as I live mostly in Germany I have unlocked it and use a German o2 sim. After becoming frustrated with the lack of space I decided to root my phone upgrade to Gingerbread and partition my sd card. All went well, I'm now using cyanogenmod 7.0.2.1 and have pleantly of space for all my apps. then I started having these freezes.

Initially I thought it may have been a power issue as I noticed that the battery felt quite hot on occasion but have since dismissed that after monitiring for several weeks the temperature and when it freezes and I believe that when it does feel warm it is as a result of what caused the freeze rather than the cause itself.

I have also thought that it may have been a result of a loss of signal and a problem with the rom. I definately think that this is the issue as it only ever happens when I have no connection (with wifi and 3g) or signal. I am loath to mess about with different radios etc as has been decribed on this thread as it doesn't appear to have help many people and I think I have the current version (5.17.05.23).

Additonly to that it only happens when I am in Germany with my german o2 sim. Since I started having these freezeing issues I have spent a couple of weeks in the uk on my 3 sim and although I was moving in and out of no signal areas I didn't experience one freeze. This doesn't feel like a coincedence so I'm inclining towards either a network problem with o2 Germany or a sim card problem.

The only way I can see of testing this is likely to incur expensive raoming costs which I'd like to avoid. I may try the paper trick but it feels like a little of a stretch.

Any other ideas as to what may cause these issues or how I can test my sim on the cheap and lazy.

I'm new to posting on this forum so if I have said anything idiotic please put me in my place.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grmm22:
See my post a few posts above - Please would you try what worked for me and tell me how it goes. With "WCDMA only" selected I've had a lot of success. No freezes for over two weeks. It means you can't use 2G automatically if 3G not available, but might be workable solution.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Unklug:
I have to admit that I had tried the GSM only setting as suggested by Ronok but that didn't work at all. I have just switch over to WCDMA only and tested it in my 'most guilty zone' where I can normally instigate a freeze pretty easily and there was NO FREEZE!!:D I will test this out for a while longer but it looks to be a winner.

On a side note I have tried my UK sim back in it and I haven't yet been able to instigate a freeze with that either so it is definitely looking like a signal problem. I've got to run now but will report back on the success or not.

Thanks grmm22