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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Dude you need to give up already.. The T3 is great for benchmarks but thats it

Its not performing that well in the REAL world.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
another doubter..here we go again SMH

tell that to my Prime, the 300. or Acer510 then. which no other Android tablet is as powerful as or performs as well. take off the blinders. Tegra3 is the best performing thing Android tablets have seen that's currently out. get your facts straight or at least come with some proof to back up your claim. Ive more than posted up proof to back my claim. plus then you have tech sites that still tote the tegra3 as the greatest thing to hit Android tablets, So far. so please show me an Android tablet that performs better than tegra3 IN THE REAL WORLD, as you would put it.

I REST MY CASE ;) who's next! lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Key being the PRIME that you own. Sad that not all PRIME act the same way.

2. Greatest thing to hit the Android tablets? Eh, which tech site? Some praised it, some mocked it.. but I don't think any tech sites have said GREATEST...

3. Some impressive Exyno 4 benchmarks... I know.. even if is just on some smartphone for you.

However.. in theory...

a.) if all hardware are exactly the same except the SoC.. isn't it feasible to believe that same outcome/conclusion will be had??

unless, Tegra 3 mysteriously behave better in 10 in. display... while behaving absolutely poor in phone (5in. & less)...

Did Nvidia make any statement regarding Tegra 3 being optimized to perform in tablets or display with 5in.+?? I think not...

b.) it'll be really interesting when Tegra 3 & S4 version of Infinity Pad 700 gets released & benchmarked.. huh?

What happens if Infinity Pad 700 behaves exactly the same way as HTC One X (between Tegra 3 & S4)?

c.) not sure if you have read the reviews on GT690x yet, but unless you play optimized games ... & in Batman Arkham city.. with crazy resolution...

Kepler GPU fell flat compared to Radeon HD 7970.. (even against single & not crossfire dual GPU)

In general computing task.. it was even far worse (btw, this matters more to me over game performance as i'm not a gamer, however.. for you, it might be different)....

So, I'm not sure how exciting Kepler really is.. considering the cost & difficulty Nvidia is currently facing with 28nm. The only benefit seems to be battery life.....

So, Tegra 4.. the Grey version (if kepler is included.. i'm sure it'll be Grey & not Wayne)... I have to question how Nvidia will manufacture & keep the cost down at the same time to be competitive.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
I thanked you for making me laugh :D

When you can browse smoothly on it and the screen doesn't flicker which every T3 device sufers from you can rest your case.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Oh, and about Tegra 3 tablets...

1. Asus Infinity 700... during MWC, CEO of Asus touted & showed off the S4 version (not a single mention of Tegra 3 in the presentation).. and he called S4 the most powerful chip.

2. HTC Quattro - No appearance at CES & MWC. Only info about this tablet were "leaked" during late 2011 (around dec.) & not a darn thing since. HTC did not make any confirmation either....

So.. no latest news, no confirmation, no release date....

3. Lenovo 2gig RAM Tegra 3 tablet - No appearance at CES & MWC. Again.. like HTC Quattro, only info were leaked during late 2011.. from some Russian site.

However, with Lenovo partnering with Intel... & are releasing Intel Smartphones (they don't have any Tegra 3 products in their roadmap so far..)... One can even "guess" that this tablet got scrapped, moved on to Intel SoC.. and might just move on to Win 8.

Either way, no confirmation... no latest news.. no release date.. nothing.

4. ZTE tablet - Won't be released outside of China.

So, in reality... all we have are Asus, Acer, and Toshiba Tegra 3 tablets.

Asus - three Tegra 3 tablets (Asus created two Tegra 2 tablet)

Acer - two Tegra 3 tablets (Acer created two Tegra 2 tablet)

Toshiba - three Tegra 3 tablets (Toshiba created two Tegra 2 tablet)

I can't exactly called that DOMINANT....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
well consider the case rested the. A very bold statement stated by you, THAT EVERY PRIME SUFFERS from screen flicker and browsing that's not smooth. my prime screen doesn't flicker. now if you talking about flicker that can't be detected by human eye but seen through a video camera lens, then that's b.s. anyways. That was shown on MTR review and Lisa even said human the can't detect the refresh rate. Anyways I don't look at my prime through a video camera lens. So no screen flicker for me. Browsing is fantastic on my prime with opera mobile or some of my other browsers.

THANKS for letting me rest the case with those 2 simple things which my prime doesn't suffer from ;) you are funny yourself..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Youre such a **** I dont know why I kinda like you... must be something wrong with me
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
All in Fun

I like you 2, No homo..lol.

this is all in fun buddy. I meant to sound sarcastic :) I'm tired though of all this damn typing. I'm taking a break from this thread. unless I'm really provoked to answer..I'm sure Barry will pop up tonight with some b.s. for me to challenge..lol.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. HTC One X (Same hardware except S4 and Tegra 3 difference)

Asus Infinity Pad 700 (Same hardware except S4 and Tegra 3 difference)

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/gsiii-benchmarks/

This benchmark (even includes quad-core Exyno 4) shows S4 clearly beating both Tegra 3 (40nm) and Exyno 4 (32nm). Although, I should note.. Exyno 4 beat the crap out of other SoC in few other benchmark.. such as Antutu. Anyways, we'll get more benchmark once SGIII is released..

So yea, isn't that funny? But same OEM, using same OS... will release & released identical hardware.. EXCEPT SoC.

Btw, Kepler GPU doesn't improve MEDIA.. only gaming. Movies.. photoshop editing and etc is more about compute performance.

2. Battery life. Hmm.. Tegra 3.. Transformer Prime.. barely beat GTab 10.1 by 10-30 mins. or so.. and that uses Tegra 2. So much for battery improvement that Nvidia has touted...

Also, it only has the edge against 1st gen. tablets....

I guess we'll know more once Samsung tablets are released & even Infinity Pad 700.

3. Well, Dominance. You and I have different perspective...

While 3 OEMs are releasing 8 Tegra 3 tablet (2 more from Tegra 2 tablet)...

I judge mine based on Sales figure. While we don't have sales figure for any device (although 3 Tegra 3 tablets are released)... & Samsung tablets aren't even released yet...

If we go by Tegra 2 history, Samsung's tablet (GTab 10.1) basically sold just as much as those 3 OEM tablets (all 6 of em).

Let see how this unfolds..... (but.. based on few B&M stores around my area.... the 3 android tablets are selling at the same rate as previous android tablet generation... although, with Prime.. they just don't have them in stock, or really had them..)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Keion:
Welp, this thread seems to degenerate into a sarcastic, fact throwing gigantic clusterfudge with thinly veiled insults. Keep it civil OP? Can you really ask that of XDA in such a thread as this? I don't think so. Bracing for the worst.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you got me laughing. its fun though. if me, Shinnzz, Barry, n others can debate without crossing the lines, its cool. I like the sarcastic, fact throwing gigantic clusterfudge with thinly veiled insults..lmfao. makes it fun. I have thick skin so I can take the passive aggressive insults..I can dish them out also.

keeping it civil has actually been working pretty well so far. I like the discussion :) feel free to add your viewpoint on the subject if you wish.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Sbinzz I think they are bogus benchmarks.... Some newer ones are popping up with the Exynos pounding everything.... S4 is still ahead of the Tegra3 though
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I don't think it is bogus. Just one of many "early" benchmarks. But yes, I agree... there are more "early" benchmarks that shows Exyno 4 being the clear leader...

However..

1. Tegra 3 is A9 Cortex ARM on 40nm

2. Exyno 4 is A9 Cortex ARM on 32nm

3. S4 is A15 tech. Cortex ARM on 28nm

The fact that Qualcomm is able to release 28nm on A15 Cortex ARM is impressive to me. Also, it also seems much more refined and executed...

It's amazing, considering that Tegra 3 is an "upgrade" of Tegra 2 (CPU & GPU)...upgrade/tweak/improvement from OLD TECH... you would think Nvidia will release a SoC that is refined & finished...

however...

it is absolutely full of bugs & issues. It doesn't seem or feel finished... I feel as if I'm beta testing the SoC for Nvidia... =/ Also, take out GPU performance of optimized games.. and, I find it to be lacking in "compute performance" over S4 & Exyno 4 (from early benchmark at least.. ). That's my biggest gripe with Tegra 3... I prefer execution in overall performance over excelling in one "area".. & in Tegra 3 case.. optimized TegraZone games.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
those benchmarks I showed are very recent ones just done. far from early benchmarks. lol. source link was posted so its "Official" I can show tons of other sites who did their own benchmarks with exact same results. tegra3 on top.

plus who talked about Exynos? lmao this was tegra3 vs. S4 which tegra3 wins. as for your new benches showing up, ill take a look. but you talking phone talk. why do people want to talk phones when I'm talking tablet Android chips. show me these new exymos or S4 chip in a tablet that's benchmarked. oh, you can't..lol. so the only thing y'all can do is keep bringing up phone chips..

Title of thread does state "Tablet" chips only. at least if we can help it. I could care less about the phone scene. TABLETS ARE MY INTEREST. once those chips hit a single tablet, then talk them up. until then, its really pointless. this isn't a phone forum. this is the Prime forum or tablet forum at least.

LETS TALK TABLETS...LEAVE PHONE SMALL TALK OUT. I could care less about phones. I still have my motor Atrix with tegra2 n very happy with it. I don't need superior phone power. I NEED SUPERIOR TABLET POWER THOUGH ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Maybe here...

But not here...

http://blog.gsmarena.com/htc-one-x-for-att-turns-out-faster-than-the-international-version/

And for those startling similar results, you get about 20% less battery life with Teg3. And yes, that applies to tablets. The only reason you don't see it is because of the battery size. Wouldn't it be nice to get 20% more battery time from your tablet w/o sacrificing performance?

This is pretty shocking though. The SGS3 numbers aren't production devices but I expected better performance.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Samsung UnPack 2021 was actually really disappointing. Being elaborate & London Metropolitan Orchestra aside... full of disappointment.

I'll hold my judgement on Exyno 4 SoC until final product is released.. but damn, I think it is clear of the advantage of using A15 ARM over A9 ARM.

Speaking of which, this is hilarious...

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/lg-optimus-lte2-2gb-ram-true-hd/

http://www.slashgear.com/pantech-vega-racer-2-boasts-4-8-inch-display-first-ceramic-body-05221765/

Some stiff competition Samsung is facing in their own backyard...

While the minor upgrade is expected after the latest rumors.. really disappointed in Samsung not using Super AMOLED.+, and Ceramic body. The overall design of the phone is poor as well.. especially the back. Samsung could have taken a leap & separate itself from rest of the Android crowd (including Apple).. & stand out with SGIII... but they failed to deliver. =/

I do like addition of Proximity Sensor & S Beam (beam + wifi direct) though.

Anyways, all that hype and I think Samsung flopped... however, it'll still be the #1 android phone in sales figure.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Now to be fair some of the benchmark tests above are designed by Qualcom to showcase QCom chips. The only real test that matters is the one in your own hands...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I have one ordered that I'm cancelling. The display on the One X is gorgeous. I've seen enough GN displays to know it would be a step backward. If the SGS3's going to be on the market for a year I don't know what Samsung was thinking.

I liked the face recognition, social integration, voice control (assuming it's not Vlingo on steroids), and the bigger replaceable battery. A lot of the meat and potatoes stuff is pretty comparable between the One X and SGS3. I don't like the slew of sensors and lenses all over it, it's already said to be "plasticky," and in the UK the 16GB SGS3 is 15% more than the 32GB One X. I'll sit this one out. ;)

Since we're all tablet people, the thing that strikes me is the amount of investment Samsung's made to try and make the SGS3 a media device. I'll always use my tablet vs. my phone for most consumption. I wish the manufacturers would lavish some of the attention their paying to their phones on their tablets.

Anand did some benchmarks that are waaaay different than the Engadget numbers I posted before. It's much more like what I expected.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5810/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-performance-preview
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Haha, I linked the Engadget benchmark before you did. But yea, I too saw Anandtech's benchmark...

but still.. slightly disappointed. We'll see when the final product is out, but more and more, I'm impressed by A15 S4 dual-core. Btw, didn't you get the Tegra 3 International version of HTC ONE X? =P I think I prefer SGIII over that one...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Those are the benches I was talking about..... and Vellamo is a QCom bench so of course they're gonna smoke that one
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
this is true. its already been a known that Qualcomm own Vellamo bench is biased towards their devices..lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Important benchmarks.. or the ones I actually look at are..

SunSpider Java Benchmark

Linpack (single and multi)

GLBenchmark 2.1 Pro & Egypt in 720p

other benchmark such as antutu and quadrant are worthless to me. especially antutu....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
get outta here with this crap...lol

what is all that supposed to mean? look a few pages back and I clearly sourced a very detailed benchmarkings where Tegra3 clearly overpowered the S4. I have alot more different sources that did their own benchmarks testing and showed similar results of the phone tegra3 spanking the S4. so all what you posted is meaningless to me when I have already posted AN OFFICIAL Benchmarking N SCORING showing tegra3 being the winner. I even posted a video. don't make me post up all the other major sites THST ran benchmark testing and showed similar results to what i posted.plus my benchmarks are very recent,not some benchmarks from months ago.

you gotta come better than that Barry ;) good try though. A for effort. :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
I did and it's a great phone. There are a lot of Teg3-related launch issues similar to what the Prime experienced in its early days but I dodged a bullet. My only complaint is battery life but it's passable. We talk about benchmarks but Teg3, S4, and Exynos 4/5 are all more power than the OS and apps can take advantage of anyway. It's like owning an AMG or M and living in Manhattan and driving 5K miles a year in the city. The One X filled my phone fix, now I want to fill my tablet fix. So far, nothing says "buy me." I’m hoping Samsung has a small tablet event with better tablets vs. the opposite for the SGS3.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
all those benches and others are crap anyways. the only true benchmarking tool is Chainfires CF Bench. made by an xda developer to truly test device. it doesn't need the frills the other benches bring.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
good point..lol

I brought it up before that Samsung seems to focused on SG3. their tablets have hit the back burner and its sales and/or performance could suffer for that. we know phones and SG3 are bread n butter for Samsung. But that should be meaningless to a tablet owner because Samsung has clearly shown to put its tablets on the backburner. main focus all year so far is hyping up and promoting the SG3.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
You should realize there are just as many sources that will counter your sources. Also, what do you mean by OFFICIAL? Official because you approve it?? Even on the video you linked, if you exclude the final antutu score, S4 beat out Tegra 3 in many/most categories.

Btw, by major sites.. I think that too is based on your own perspective. I wouldn't exactly call many of your "sources" as major tech sites... & most being blog sites that aren't exactly on par to major "blog" sites such as slashgear, engadget, and the verge.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
oh yeah, I'm done...LMFAO. you must be smoking this exact moment. S4 barely edged out tegra3 in quadrant. in Antutu, the tegra3 spanked it by several thousand on the overall score. you gonna sit there n say it beat tegra3 in most categories on Antutu. when that video clearly shows the opposite. I think you may need to wipe those spectacles you using. the fogginess is messing up your vision...lmfao

ah man, you got me laughing. what you posted must've been a late April fools joke.

verge is not major..lol. engadget yes, Anandtech yes, tech crunch yes, but not the verge...lmfao. damn that's some good stuff you chiefing on. must be some hydroponic ish...lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Glad you dodged the bullet. Anyways, that's my biggest gripe with Tegra 3. I still think it is in beta stage & we are testing the product for Nvidia...

That absolutely infuriates me. I wouldn't be as pissed off or annoyed but the issues exist. If issues did not exist, I really wouldn't even care for not being the best & most powerful (category Demandarin defends & title he wants) .. & be happy with it. I really do not think Tegra 3 is a finished product..... & I'm def. staying away from Nvidia SoC products for a while....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I did say we could let the tegra3 vs. S4 rest but people still want to bring it up. well if i have sources proving Tegra3 wins and y'all have sources showing S4 winner, then it's a stalemate. because there's obviously too much variance in the benchmarking to have scoring so differently.

I'm still waiting for someone to bring up a current chip in a Current android tablet now that can compete or is more powerful overall than Tegra3? I might be waiting another 5-6months it seems ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
don't feel bad, not everyone is built to handle the power tegra3 possesses..lmao. I'm sticking with Nvidia for a long time. my bet is on them. NVIDIA 4 Life! :cool:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Here's my theory from watching both the Prime and One X launch. I posted it in the One X forum. What do you guys think having lived the dream?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
sounds nice but Acer510 isn't factored. or the 300. these devices haven't reported as much issues so far and both are tegra3 devices.

I think what you said could partially be right as i mentioned this a while back in another discussion. this was when I found out Prime actually has 2 variants of tegra3 in them. Earlier models have AP30H variant, while newer models use the T30 variant. the 300 uses the T30L variant. the Acer uses the exact same one as in prime.

so it can't all be directed at nvidia when these 2 new devices are doing fairly well. and it cant be said majority of any device suffer from most issues. as my prime and tons of others perform great. same with your htc one x performing well along with others. there will always be, in any device, a certain percentage that doesn't perform as well as the majority.

I'd say its more of ICS being new and having issues and bugs needing to be fixed. Alot of prime issues reported, were actually reported by several other devices also. it just so happens those other devices were on ICS also and don't have a tegra3. So its a combo of quad/5 core being new and ICS being new. this is all uncharted territory for Android. Great things don't come easy. both aspects needs major optimization to be continued.

i see all of this as more of an ICS issue as majority of non gps issues are also reported my most other devices running ICS. random reboots, browser issues, etc... all ICS related as this spans across all devices running ICS.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] tinyXperia:
Has anyone tried to play GTA3 on the Neo? I know you need to look for it on non-legal channels, but does it work?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] skyboyextreme:
look here , the proof that it is working beautifully !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQAunxsRWm0

lol i used to run this 8 years ago on a 1.7ghz pentium 4 processor witha 64mb video card geforce 2 and 128mb of ram and it was a bitt stuttering on that system , now working on the neo without a hitch :D
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] tinyXperia:
Thanks! Limited to 5 thanks a day :(
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo, Pro] skyboyextreme:
you are welcome , no problem :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sherly:
Hi there,

I've been looking for a way to partition my SD card so that I can use app2sd and move all the apps to the SD, even those which don't support SD card. That said, I have a Galaxy Mini, Gingerbread 2.3.4, rooted. Is there a way to do it without flashing a custom rom on the device?

Thanks for any help :)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Theonew:
You could use Rom Manager: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.koushikdutta.rommanager&hl=en.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] SallyC:
Got this today and love it but the pics don't show up in the Gallery until I rename them and remove the 'cameraZOOM' prefix part of the file name. Anyone else have this?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] dcohio:
No. I installed the app today, and I am able to see the pics just fine in the gallery.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] SallyC:
Judging from the lack of response, I'd say it looks like I'm the only one who has this.

I've been playing with more since my original post and what's really weird is that:

1) Pictures I take using the RAZR's stock camera app (not using Camera Zoom FX) show up right away in Gallery - and they are all in the same external SD folder.

2) After I powered off my phone, then turned it back on, the pictures I took using Camera Zoom (but not renaming the files) show up in Gallery. Although any new ones don't until I turn it off and on again.

This is strange. I installed QuickPic and it sees the pics right away, no matter which program I used to take them.:confused:
[Motorola Droid RAZR] PSR12:
When you installed it, did you use Camera Zoom FX folder or the phone camera folder?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] SallyC:
I installed to my external SD card with the path /sdcard-ext/dcim/Camera

For some reason, Gallery won't see them until I reboot. QuickPic sees them right away.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Bib_x:
Hi, i use a clk-gingerbread-rom on my HD2. If i make a backup with my installed cwm 5.0.2.6 to my sd-card and after that i make a task29 and repartition my HD2 and install a new magldr-rom, can i flash my clk-rom-backup back and then i have clk back or do i have to repartition my HD2 again for clk and install clk again and after that flash back my backup?