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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said

slightly

better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date. ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] baaj:
That settles it, I'm going to pull the trigger on the international version.

Anyone wanna buy the AT&T iPhone 4s that I'm going to buy and resell to offset the cost? (black or white, your choice!) ;-)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dwboston:
That comment wasn't directed at you. There were a few ridiculous posts above. And "smoothness" is all user perception. IMO, it's a bit of a crutch used to elevate one device over another when there's nothing else to criticize. I think the vast majority of people complaining about these things on the forums have never held/compared both devices in person - they're strictly going off Quadrant scores and repeating what others have said.

That said, I think the HSPA+/LTE Note will be out on AT&T in January - I don't think we'll be waiting that long for it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bigmout:
I prefer the four capacitive buttons, but am bummed about the change in processor. I'd rather have the Exynos than LTE.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
Remember the Skyrocket you have is compared to GS2 which only has a 1.2Ghz Exynos. Galaxy Note has 1.4 GHz Exynos processor. So, I'm not sure how the same 1.5Ghz Qualcomm chip compares to 1.4Ghz Exynos, especially consider it has to drive 1280x800 screen vs 800x480 screen on Skyrocket.

I'd wait and see how it actually performs when it is out before jump in.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dwboston:
It doesn't bother me. Having LTE (and NFC) future-proofs the device to some extent.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
The LTE/Qualcomm note was released in S. Korea a couple weeks ago. I'm surprised there haven't been any reports on its performance.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] CyberGhos:
Have this kind of news many time from engadget. "Same $h!t, different day":D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Hammerfest:
WARNING WARNING WARNING: DISREGARD 95% OF THIS POST!!!

Why you ask? Simple, while the 5% your not to disregard, is the actual 3G radio freq being overcrowded the 95% you are supposed to DISREGARD is the fact that it will STILL BE SLOW because the TOWER ITSELF will still be OVERCROWDED... WHY??? BECAUSE IT STILL RUNS OFF THE SAME DROP FOR INTERNET...

This is best referenced to BASIC NETWORKING... IE I plug my PC directly into the modem for my DSL and it takes up 100% of the B/W, I let someone else leech by pluggin into an extra port on my PC, but if I am still using 100% of that B/W, they arent going to get jack ****...

As I said however, 5% of it is true, with the 3G spectrum itself being given some relief, the towers which they all still utilize, run off the same trunk line in... meaning they SHARE the load just the same... hell when more and more move to LTE you will notice a SLOWDOWN even on 3G because everyone is able to leech that B/W ever so much faster...

Still, AT&T Blows, its your soul, spend it well...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
That, of course, assumes that the bottleneck is always at the trunk. Which obviously it isn't, because people with LTE consistently get much better speeds compared to 3G. If the problem were completely upstream of the wireless connection, LTE would be as crappy as their 3G.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
"Backhaul" is the term for the connection from the tower to the rest if the network. I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T were somehow providing enhanced backhaul to the few LTE users at the expense of 3g users on the same tower, just to boost the image of their LTE network. Of course, they wouldn't be able to keep that up for long as more customers switch to LTE handsets.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] eroracing:
You obviously don't know what your talking about! I personally work on the towers and the lte backbone is completely separate from anything else on the tower! That's like saying all joint towers are fed off of one T1. Make sure you know what your talking about before blabbing on the Internet!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rootuser11:
disregard 100% of this post.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] CGI_Ram:
Anything that gets this device in the hands of more people is a good thing.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Hagow:
Happy I got the GNote and get to enjoy it from day one, too long of a wait and H+ is good enough. Don't forget you need to pay more for LTE too. Highly doubt there is much of a difference in real life usage between the 2 processors. The only major benefit that comes to mind is I think the updates will be faster than the AT&T/Rogers (Canada) version.

::: Sent From My Samsung Galaxy Note :::
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bclark:
The deciding factor for me will come down to whether our not att will let me keep my unlimited and if it is 299 with contract I might a as well buy the international for just over 500, maybe less at that point. Personally I'm so happy i bought the international sgs2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ericshmerick:
You honestly think ATT will approve and update ROMS faster than the international version?

I'd wager to bet you are dead wrong. The money grubbing ATT execs will hold updates as long as they can, figuring out how to further bake upselling ****ware apps into the image.

My money is on non-carrier branded phones getting faster updates than subsidized branded units.

Not that Samsung has even been renowned for lightening fast updates, however....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
I'm pretty sure he did say the international version will get updates before the carrier-screwed ones. I disagree with his opinion that faster updates are all the international version has on the carrier one. I think it's the other way: the only thing the carrier version has on the international would be LTE.

Benefits of international over carrier: better processor, battery life/performance, better design with hardware home button and larger back and menu buttons on each side, making it easier to hit those without looking, and better privacy (none of that CarrierIQ crap.)

In the GSII (international vs. Skyrocket), the Exynos beats out the Qualcomm, even though it's 1.2 GHz vs. 1.5 GHz. With the Note it's pushing 1280x800 resolution compared to 800x480 on the GSII, and the Exynos is 1.4 GHz, while the Qualcomm is that same 1.5 GHz from the Skyrocket. If the difference was noticeable in the GSII models, I think it'll be significantly more noticeable in the Note models. Of course all off this speculation hinges on AT&T releasing the Note...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Hagow:
I guess my message was confusing I meant to say that the NON AT&T Note will get the updates first. That is why I am glad I got my GNote early.

::: Sent From My Samsung Galaxy Note :::
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ericshmerick:
Sorry - misread your post.

My bad.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Hagow:
There is a small part of me that wish the Note won't come over to States/Canada because I like the fact that not many people have it. Feel more special...

But then again it is always good to spread the Android love and maybe all the iPhone users that give me these "WTF" stares in the subway will finally realize what they are missing.

::: Sent From My Samsung Galaxy Note :::
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Hammerfest:
EDIT: SNIP avoiding flame wars, ignorance is bliss, EVERY SINGLE AT&T tower with LTE has a separate trunk /heavysarcasm
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
This should be a thread. +1
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pachi72:
The bad thing about these Lte devices is that there is no way to switch between hsdpa and Lte.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
Says who? One of AT&T's main bragging points/excuses for the way they've chosen to build out their LTE network (delayed while filling out HSPA+) is that when dropping LTE, the phone will automatically fall back to something still pretty fast (HSPA+) compared to Verizon, who will have a much more abrupt speed change when dropping LTE.

Or do you mean a manual switch for the users to choose between LTE and HSPA+?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ronj1986:
They meant manual switch.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
Ever thought of a career in sleazy advertising? :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rootuser11:
with Korean LTE Note, there's a secret menu that allows you to select between

AUTO SWITCH and FORCED NON-LTE.

There's no option to choose just LTE, but I don't know if that's necessary.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Johnmcl7:
I'm surprised at that comment as I didn't like the home button layout on the S2 and was disappointed they carried it over to the Note, I prefer the four capacitive buttons particularly as it means when you catch the corner you get 'search' rather than 'go back'. Given the size of the Note there is plenty room to have more buttons while keeping the physical home button which means just the three buttons as it has now isn't very efficient use of space.

John
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bigmout:
Is that correct? I thought LTE plans are the same as regular plans on AT&T.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Spartan2x:
Did you know holding the menu button brings up the search function?

Once you get used to it, I really like the 3 button configuration.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Johnmcl7:
Yes I do but that does nothing to prevent the problem I mentioned, on the Tab and other devices where the search button is at the far right it means if you catch it you simply bring up a search box which is easily cancelled. On the Note and S2 however you generally cancel whatever you were doing which is more fiddly to get back to, just about any time I pass the Note for someone to look at a picture or video they catch the back button. Hence I would rather have the extra button to stop this happening.

John
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
I don't have a problem with errant button presses, and I think adding an extra button, ruining the layout, would not be an optimum solution, even if I did have that problem. I hope there's no argument that having a hardware button for home is the best, since it allows you to wake the phone with it instead of hunting for the power button. Having a single button on each side allows for easy and accurate utilization of them, even without looking. With the capacitive 4-strip I always have to look.

I guess it's personal preference, but I bet a poll would swing largely towards the 3 button/physical home layout. And it seems obviously superior to me.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
+1.

The only reason Samsung use that big Home button is to imitate iPhone. If I were to like iPhone, I will just go buy an iPhone. I'm glad AT&T never allowed Samsung to carry that stupid button in Galayx S and Galaxy S2. Besides, I saw enough posts about hadrware home button failing or getting loose on international GS2.

---------- Post added at 01:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:03 PM ----------

There is no extra charge for LTE plan.

---------- Post added at 01:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 PM ----------

I'm sure AT&T will disable such menu as they always do.

The reason for disable LTE is it drains battery too fast. It would be nice to have a manual control so that you let the phone using HSPA+ when you don't need the speed large/faster downloads.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] morning thunder:
imitate?

Apple is the one who copied Samsung

F700 released before IPhone!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
Never heard of such phone. You know why? It didn't do so well. It certainly looks ugly to me.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rootuser11:
*1232580# will bring you to "Data network mode"

and there you can choose between "Automatic" and "WCDMA/GSM"
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] crazy talk:
why does it matter if you've never heard of it? does that mean it doesn't exist?

Samsung is following the same design philosophy as their past phones by having a physical home button. saying it's only on the device to imitate Apple is just troll baiting.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
Similar code has been locked down on AT&T GS2 phones.

---------- Post added at 02:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:24 PM ----------

Not try to troll anyone but whether a particular design looks good or not is not going to be universally agreed upon. Some like it. Some hate it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rockky:
Why does my Note download sites consistently faster than the skyrocket?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
Will custom ROMs work between these two versions of the Note? Or will developers have to deal with differences in the hardware?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ericshmerick:
If it's anything like the neutered Skrocket and TMo SGSII, ROMS will be incompatible.

What a mess.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
Great. Being poor isn't fun in the smart phone world.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
Just buy the carrier subsidized phone with the greatest resale value, sell it, and use the money to buy the phone of your choice. You should be able to get $500-$650 for a new smartphone, even carrier branded, if you make the right choice. It's easy to sell a brand new phone on craigslist or Ebay, and the sale price is fairly predictable by checking completed listings on Ebay. Cell phones are fungible.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
Apple Fanboys cant listen to reason, but nice job proving him wrong!

OT: The US Note has a Snapdragon.... Nuff Said
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Ryanscool:
It will,too bad the development will be incompatible. The bright side is though there will be a lot of devs wanting the beast of all phones lol.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
I say boycott the AT$T Note. Here's why:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1423401&page=3

Read post #24
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
That's all well and good, but there are economic realities to deal with here. I'm very happy you can afford to spend $650 to $700 on a phone, but many can't, no matter how you want to run the numbers. Plus, we're here, participating on XDA, where we can remove bloat, upgrade it to whatever we want, and enjoy learning along the way. No one should be made to feel bad because they go with a subsidized phone - as will I, as soon as the AT&T Note is released. I haven't the time to deal with buying and selling phones to get an international one, much as I want one. So it's a choice, and everyone is entitled to their own choices.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
Even subsidized phones cost $650. Most Americans don't get it. If you truly feel you can't afford a $650 phone, you should take your subsidized phone, sell it on craigslist or ebay for $500-$650, and buy a phone you feel you can afford, putting the rest of the money in your bank account to cover living expenses.

Me, I take the subsidized phone with the highest resale value, sell it, then buy whichever phone I actually want, regardless of if it's offered by a carrier.

Edit: Selling a phone on craigslist takes all of about 15 minutes total to write the ad, respond to people, and do the transaction. Ebay's a little longer since you'll have to put it in a box and ship it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
Being "American" has nothing to do with it :rolleyes:. I know exactly what us going on. It's a choice, quit trying to justify your line of thought only.

Sent from a state of Serendipity
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
Some people have the dough to shell out to get unsubsidized phones.

Some people who don't have the dough to shell out to get unsubsidized phones use other means to get these phones which is typically either by trading, or selling their subsidized phones.

Some people who have the dough to shell out to get unsubsidized phones choose not to simply because they need the money for more important things in their lives.

Some people who have the dough to shell out to get unsubsidized phones and do not have other necessities and truly can if they wanted to at the swipe of a card still choose not to because some people truly don't care about their phones all that much and would rather take the simpler road and get a subsidized phone as the time is better spent elsewhere. At the end of the day, it's just a damn phone.

tl;dr. It's your money, do whatever the hell you want with it. Different backgrounds come with different monetary philosophies.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] victor19nyc:
Amen.

A couple years ago I was gifted a Verizon branded Blackberry. All I wanted to use it for was voice and text. They said I couldn't have it on their network without also having a data plan ($30). I didn't want a data plan because I wasn't intending to use data. It didn't matter, the Blackberry was a "smartphone" and I had to have a data plan. Bye bye Verizon.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
I still want to buy the unlocked version. But the damn non-functioning 3G is killing it for me on T-Mobile. Sigh.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
AT&T GoPhone offers unlimited everything for $50 a month pay-as-you go. There are a few users on this forum doing just that in fact! You should look into that! ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
I will not use AT&T on principle. :D So I'm stuck here hoping that some miraculous person will solve the modem issue for T-Mobile.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Understandable. Can't say I blame you really. Honestly I'd have told AT&T to go F themselves a long time ago if they didn't hold a monopoly of the bands used by the rest of the world.

Now if only AWS 1700 weren't so proprietary... :P

You're never going to get the newest and coolest if you're stuck with something proprietary (CDMA/AWS1700/UMTS2600/etc.), so if that's what I want, sticking with AT&T in some way or another is a necessary evil *sigh*
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Celestial:
Galaxy Note & subsidized phones and ATT

I have been reading the posts here regarding a few issues and I want to throw in my 2 cents so here it is.

Many countries outside the US do not subsidize their phones. The UK and Singapore for one, that means people pay the full price for their phone and can get their service from any provider. While this costs the customer more up front users pay cheaper prices (like texting). My coworker lived in the UK for two years and he told me a text was two cents while here in the US without an "unlimited plan" is 20 cents. Considering the band used for text is pre-existing and requires little infrastructure this is all profit for the carrier.

Basically, what I am trying to say (if you haven't guessed already) is if you buy a subsidized phone you are paying for the full price of the phone, its just over the course of the contract (probably like 1.5 yrs).

Another topic was unhappiness with ATT, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I decided to drop them and get a Note and move to T-Mobile. I couldn't get service in my building in downtown Manhattan for God's sake! So to compensate for the lack of proper HSPA+ on T-mobile I chatted with a rep and get a hotspot for the same price as if I got a data plan on my phone. I have an iPAD and other WiFi capable devices I can use with it. Since its small its not a big deal to carry it around. This is the route I chose to take and I it works for me.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
Word. I guess I'll have to hold out on my HD2 a little while longer. I'm curious to see if Sammy will show anything interesting for CES next week.

I was contemplating getting a hotspot and a note as well but then I realized that I'm paying $20 for 2 GB on the hotspot whereas I'm paying $20 for 5 GB on my HD2 currently. Here's to some paganism that XDA will solve the modem issue. :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Celestial:
Snapdragon S3 vs Exynos

I could not find the very informative article on these two processors but basically it boils down to what others have said here

1. The ATT G-Note will have an S3 Snapdragon which will be more power efficient than Exynos

2. The International G-Note with the Exynos chip will have better graphics capabilities and raw processing power

We will find out in a few months since items going through FCC certification usually signal a release date. I was going to wait for the ATT G-Note until I read it would have an S3 Snapdragon instead of the new S4. I get good battery life now with the one I have and "faster internet" is not necessarily what I want when I don't really have unlimited internet on the phone.

Keep in mind, applications like Netflix tailor their service to bandwidth available. I do not necessarily want full HD download to my LTE phone to eat up my monthly allocation. I would rather have it scale down to a data plan-friendly speed.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] planoman:
We will probably know about an LTE GNote by the time CES is over. Interesting discussions about networks, business practices and predictions.

Here is my two cents. I have bought subsidized and unsubsidized phones on AT&T. For the record, I am no ATT apologist, but their network is top notch in DFW where I live and in my State (Texas) for that matter so the coverage questions are largely based on geography. I have an LTE phone and routinely get 50+mbps down and 15+ mbps up. I get HSPA+ on my GNote which I love! If you are going to stay with a network because it works well where you live it makes perfect sense to get a subsidized phone. Yes, you pay for it but you also pay more overall for a unsubsidized phone because you are paying the same in network cost as the guys who got the phone for $200. I picked up my skyrocket for $149.99. I am staying with ATT so why not? Not many other choices for an unlocked LTE phone out there. I got my GNote from Amazon (Global Mobiles) because I had to have that screen! I would not want or need the AT&T version because I already have LTE. The major downsize of getting a carrier subsidized phone is the control they have and the BLOAT and lack of updating...

Having said all that, 95% of Americans will only get subsidized phones. It is that simple. You can explain it until you are blue in the face but they will not change. Kind of like going in and buying a car and only trying to get to a certain monthly payment. Some do not realize they are financing twice the cost of their car...nor do they care.

As far as the international GNote versus an LTE version and processors, I have been through that ad nauseum with the SGSII and Skyrocket debate on ATT. I kept hearing how my snapdragon was inferior to the mighty Exynos...Yeah but I was getting 50mbps down!!! Battery life is less on LTE networks, that is not up for debate.

I guess it has been said in this thread that we all have choices and we make our choices based on our priorities and resources. I just appreciate all the advice and help I receive regardless and since most of us have or want a GNote, that make us all appreciate the beauty if a great device! If you have a GNote you know what I am talking about if not, I hope you get yours soon, International or AT&T!

Happy 2012 everyone!