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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
It won't make a difference. You know how the OP is...

Really surprised that you purchased Tegra 3 version of HTC phone.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5559/...ormance-preview-msm8960-adreno-225-benchmarks

http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-xl-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-tegra-3-67678/

http://androidandme.com/2012/04/sma...-tegra-3-and-snapdragon-s4-in-gpu-benchmarks/

Btw, since the launch of Transformer Prime... we have only seen one or two extra device of Tegra 3 product that has released so far. The other tablets using Tegra 3 are due around the same time as S4 & Exynos products/device release dates.

Edit: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5467/samsung-exynos-5250-begins-sampling-mass-production-in-q2-2012

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/07/reported-tegra-4-roadmap-hints-at-lte-q1-2013-release/

Both device began sampling late last year.. while one is "supposedly" going in to mass production by Q2... Tegra 4's possible target is Q1 of 2013. With Krait (S4 quad) & Exynos (2ghz dual A15) possibly being released before any Tegra 4 product... I guess that's one marketing out the window for Nvidia. Being the 1st to release 28nm/A15 SoC... or leading the "pack".. with such and such.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Nvidia's shareholders are the ones that own the company. They entrust the CEO to make wise and appropriate investment decisions that increase the company's worth and provide shareholder value (increase in stock price at least in parallel to their competitors). Reporting earnings is far from a marketing activity. PowerPoint slides on the other hand... ;)

I love my phone. Like you with your Prime, I dodged a bullet and don't have any of the issues being reported. The battery life concerns me but the way I use it 3 hours of screen on time should be OK. I'd feel better if it had a replaceable battery though. So sorry, no trade, not even for an Atrix. :)

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I did it to spite demandarin so he couldn't call me a Samsung fanboi and Nvidia hater anymore. The first one worked. ;)

Just kidding. The ICS update on the i9100 is/was a cluster and I wanted a bigger HD display, more powerful SoC, and ICS. I get UK devices (my G-Tab's from the UK) so I can use them on AT&T's $10 non-Smartphone data plan. By selling the i9100 before the SGS3 comes out I'll pick-up an extra $75-100. If I don't like the One X I'll sell it and get the SGS3. It'll be a wash between getting it and going directly from the i9100>SGS3 financially. What can I say, it's a hobby. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
OK, thanks for the read. i was thinking you talking about the quad core version. BUT that article is dated January. I've seen more recent articles stating that Samsung has decided to delay the new Galaxy Note 10in. and new Galaxy tab 10.1in. Reasons for delay more so pointing to them wanting to use the quad core variant of that chip instead. I can find those recent articles if you want. that's why i always said those tablets wont release till much later in the year. Even the rumored Samsung 11in. that one will likely have windows and quad core variant if it does release later in the year. But currently, there are no Samsung tablets I've seen recently announced or set to release using the dual core or even quad core variant. that was really my whole point. Most new tablets announced to launch, if you look a few pages back i listed over 15 of them, will have some variant of the tegra3 chip in it.

The last article I've already known about. Yes, the tegra3 was aimed to be even more powerful than it is now. But look at it like this, they missed their original goal and still pumped out the most powerful android chip. Its only now, about 6 months later, that someone comes out with something to compete with it in the phone sector. In the tablet sector there still is no competition. In tech world, for it to command that long of a lead in power and battery savings is great. especially with how fast the tech scene is moving. With other chips being delayed or none hitting the scene yet, at least tablet sector, its lead will continue. will tegra3 eventually fall in the tablet sector, of course. its only natural as newer more advanced chips are released. But Nvidia has already announced successor( T3+ & after that, Tegra4) to release and at least "TRY" to continue the commanding lead. It will be a good fight though.

I like the fact that tegra has exclusive games or enhanced versions of games and apps that look and perform best on Tegra3 versions. It makes them standout. This is a benefit of owning a Tegra powered device. It makes other owners of different devices very envious of tegra devices because they want our version of the game because its always the best version. Very smart move on Nvidia part.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gunner1937:
this is my thread for Nvidia/Tegra3 news. No one asked all these other people to come in and basically bash the thread talking about how its a failure or this or that.

I am glad that you started this very informative and interesting thread, Kid.

But I do not understand why, all of a sudden, the thread has to be a "yes men".

You should know better that you will not get 100% of approval on your position regarding Prime and Tegra3.

You should accept opposing points of view which are the engine for advancements.

And I also noticed that in a lot of threads that you did not start you jump into to bring your opinion. It is well accepted in general but invasive also because you want to be everywhere.

All members know, by now, that you are the best marketing agent for the Prime and its Tegra. Some disagree and the fact that you start a thread rightfully gives them the right to express their opinion. You do not like it, move on!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
dang, your htc one X is only getting 3 hours of on screen time? or you use it alot or constantly? either way I'd say that's horrible battery life. I did see an article about a 3rd party battery maker thinking about releasing some kind of replaceable battery for your phone. I'm guessing you would have to take off the back piece somehow to do it. Is the One X a unibody design?

I just noticed what's underneath my avatar now..lol I gotta lay off the kool aid then..lol It tastes so good and refreshing though. I like Asus and Nvidia because my experience with them has been good so far. Plus it has its perks being a supporter of a product i like(trust me it does). Other than that, its all electronics. which I've always had a love for that came from my father. Ill even admit, seeing Anandtech wifi comparison(e.mote says its flawed) of the 300 model to the prime, made me rethink my purchase for the first time. I still have no regrets though. If i could do it all over again, i would've still got the prime. How could i possibly pass up these fun times and threads in this section. Very entertaining and Informative. It makes me laugh thinking about it. You can even tell my old friend we can let bygones be bygones. I feel silly having someone on ignore over something so stupid. so pass that message along to him , if you don't mind. you should know who I'm talking as i never respond to him or him to me , anymore. If the hating/arguing can cease, so can the kool aid sippin. For some reason, it feels like a different ball game now with my new status.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
Irrelevant to the thread at hand.

If you have some personal vendetta against demandarin, take it somewhere else...

Btw, I'm heavily invested in Qualcomm, and I fully know the problems that both companies are experiencing at the moment. Guess you'll also discuss Qualcomm's earnings and production issues next quarter as well?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Now that's a weird way to welcome your new moderator :p

Just been here for a day so give me some time to fully develop my new rights :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
opinions are always welcomed along with opposing positions. The difference is when some come in ranting this opposing opinion with name calling, labels, or this or that, its unneccessary and crosses the line. I know how to keep my cool and not let it get to serious. Its some others who cant seem to keep cool about it.

As with any debate, they will be two sides or even more. both will state their piece. then both will go back in forth with arguments to validate their claim. All this is is a never ending debate. which is fine with me as long as people can act civil with a level of maturity that doesn't cross the line of normal debating. that's all there is to it. nothing more, nothing less. people don't have to be yes men, but they cant think that if they come with some opposing statement or argument that one wont be directed right back at them. Come on now. This debate hasn't reached a point to where one side has nothing more to say and accept the loss. If that time comes and its very obvious, then what can i say. Until then, the debate rages on. I would love to change the title to a more debatable topic of what chips you think are better and have facts or info to back up the claim(not sales figures Barry..lol). But the way people get heated lately, its a long shot.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Congratulations! You've helped quite a few people so well deserved. To those joining the party late, demandarin and I enjoy the debate. As forums go, I consider him a friend. Don't let our equal (and usually opposite) enthusiasm make you think we're flaming or disrespecting each other. He even made a guest appearance in the One X forum. ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
More info on the galaxy s3 beating the transformer prime:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/25/antutu-purportedly-reveals-galaxy-s-iii-specs/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
The new KING of android power!!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/25/2975835/samsung-14gz-exynos-4-quad-processor-next-galaxy

Take note the last sentence in the article. Tegra3 may be in more units by the end of the year, I don't care because it won't be the fastest.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
read comments of both articles. the chip is being clowned as a disappointment..lol

lol both links are meaningless, you keep showing me some phone benchmarks. you can't compare a phone benchmark to a tablet. i don't care about phone market. Show me something, "ANDROID TABLET WISE".

like i said, tegra3 commands the tablet market now. until you can show me a android tablet with a different chip that beats tegra3 , i rest my case ;)

plus the engadget link says there's no way to tell if the test and specs are legit or not...come on now..lmfao. bring me concrete proof of that chip in a tablet form showing specs and benchmarks. phones are meaningless in comparison to tablets because tablet has bigger screen to push.

then that verge link says they announce a 32nm quad core a9..get outta here...lol. we been there. done that. with 5 cores actually and they late to the party. by the time that Samsung quadcore releases, tegra3+ and tegra4(with 5 28nm cortex A15 processors, it will use same 4+1 setup like tegra3) will be out or coming out. its too little, too late. Nvidia basically has 2012 wrapped up ;) we moving on to bigger n better things after tegra3. that Samsung quadcore is nothing to be pressed about. I guesses they canned the 28nm process and trying to rush this 32nm out because Nvidia is creaming them right now, chip wise..lol

actually, Samsung really f&#!?! up now. all that hype about them using 28nm was b.s. now they see nvidia with most powerful chip so they trying to rush out a quad core A9 that probably won't even hit a Samsung tablet to the end of the year. they are going to be so far behind now compared to everyone else. their quad core setup is nothing special. at least tegra3 has 5 cortex A9 CPU and a much more powerful multicore gpu. I bet it can barely hang with tegra3 or just slightly edge it out. even if it slightly edges out tegra3, they will be too late anyways. Tegra3+ already announced and set to release. that's a more advanced and more powerful tegra3. its the refresh right before tegra4 drops. you should've never shown those articles to me. now I know for a fact its a wrap for Samsung, chip wise. alot of Samsung fans are disappointed they didn't go with 28nm like they originally thought. oh well, better for nvidia.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Exynos5: the ONLY SoC for Android that can power a WQXGA display!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgtZGaQmZPg
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] monkey10120:
Everyone needs to leave demandarin alone. At least his arguments have links to back it up. I like heated arguments usually people will post links and info I never saw before. Its a great way to learn some stuff
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I'm pretty sure Wayne & Grey are AP40 SoC.. as in.. Tegra 4. So, T3+ is smartphone only.. thus, shouldn't T3+ be off this discussion as well if you want to focus on TABLETs??

And Tegra 3 GPU being more powerful over Mali GPU, please, let me know. I want to see the link to benchmark and etc... As far as I know, Tegra 3 has more special effects integrated into their GPU (thus, it looks good) but it falls behind in RAW power.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
lets put it like this. Tegra3 is already known as having the most powerful CPU & GPU in Android Tablets "TODAY" you keep talking about some phone bench mark of a gpu not even out yet or even implemented in a tablet currently.

Any tablet now that current has a Mali gpu is not more powerful than Tegra3 in raw power or any kind of power..lol You show me the link showing an Android tablet currently out now that has a more powerful cpu or gpu than tegra3. i already been laid the proof out in tablet form. That's why Tegra3 still toted as most powerful chip in Android tablets today. I never seen any tech site show a tablet or its benchmark with Mali gpu being more powerful than tegra3.

Although I've already proved my point, ill say a stalemate has been reached. Until this Samsung chip releases in a tablet, they have no argument. Tegra3 in tablets is what's out now. lets wait n see what develops. We need new facts, Android tablet benchmark comparisons, and details to arrive.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
A little update on how Teg3's doing on the One X. Here's a little snippet from a 70 page thread on graphics issues. It should all sound eerily familiar to early Prime owners. HTC's expected to issue a formal statement this week.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Samsung Tab 7.7 Plus with dual-core 1.4ghz exynos that has MALI 400 GPU. If we go by Anandtech's finding on the GPU.. Mali 400 beats Tegra 3's GPU in raw power.

So, that's one Tablet with better GPU. If you wish to debate which GPU makes the game look better... I'll say OPTIMIZED Tegra 3 easily wins with their special effects... but that's it. If you really wish to market the power of Tegra 3 GPU, you should focus on special effects that Nvidia has with their patent to look the games much better... not on RAW power.

Btw, according to title of your thread.. it has Tegra 3+, Grey, and Wayne on it. So, why can't I debate based on unreleased SoC (but with benchmarks) against whatever since many of your points are basically doing the same thing (Tegra 3+ and other Tegra versions will rein supreme stuff..). I'm sure it's even game based on that.....

And seriously, I'm sure we went over this. Asus Transformer Prime forum... perhaps this really belongs in general XDA forum? You made a recommendation that Pad 300 thread should be in general XDA forum so it doesn't clog up this forum... so, doesn't that same logic apply here??
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
call it quad core growing pains..lol. if nvidia is messing up, well they gonna take all major android manufacturers down..lmfao. did you see my list a few posts back? those are all major manufacturers already set to release tegra3 in their tablets. Asus, Acer, HTC(Quattro), Lenovo, ZTE & Toshiba. Acer510 & 300 seem to have no major issues so far, or at least chip wise. both use tegra3.

they'll work it out. I don't have those issues with my tegra3 tablet ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
You may not have to. Asus sucked up the Teg3 issues because they seem to be tight with Nvidia. HTC's flagship global phone just fell flat on its face due to Teg3 related issues. They have a lot more to lose than Asus so I wouldn't expect them to be as kind when it comes to assigning blame for the issues. You're only as good as your last product and in two of the three devices (so far) it's powering Teg3 is a mess. Demandarin, you hate that semi-accurate article but if you go back and read it again it was prophetic.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
you think you smart huh? lmao very funny. this thread is different ;) its my thread. lol.

fair enough, we can compare unreleased soc also but we won't get anywhere. ALL I HAVE TO MENTION IS TEGRA4 AND ITS GAME OVER. CHECKMATE. so i don't think you want to take it into future unreleased tablet chips yet. (sinister laugh)

Also I want to see this benchmark comparing to tegra3 you mentioned about tab 7.7 gpu. I don't think I've ever seen it yet. link me to it.

In other news, Dark Meadows THD just released for Tegra3 devices and its free ;) just installed it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
what I said in the beginning of all this was Prophetic. Tegra3 is turning out to be used in the most different android tablets(Asus, Acer, HTC, Toshiba, Lenovo, & ZTE) that are currently out and coming out. you and shinnz argument in the beginning was that hardly any devices will release this year with tegra3 in it. I'd say the exact opposite is happening now. So don't change up now ;) by July, tablet market will be saturated with tegra3 powered tablets. the proof is already out there and nothing can change that. Nvidia tegra3 turns out to be the major android tablet chip of 2012.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2

RAW POWER.... of just GPUs only (not SoC + GPU combination).

Even on this Tegra 4, you should point out which SoC... Wayne .. I believe, won't be a significant improvement over Tegra 3 in GPU ... while Grey is something much more to be excited about.. (with improved driver and etc..)

Even exynos 5 series with T-Mail 600 series will have directx 11... which Wayne won't I believe (while Grey does as they are creating that SoC/GPU for win 8).

Btw, Dark Meadows THD? What type of game is it? I should check it out once I get home....hope it isn't one of those freemium game.

I'm pretty sure my argument is that you'll see less manufacturers using Nvidia SoC compared to Tegra 2 era. Which is still true...

Samsung opted out

Motorola atm.. nothing with Nvidia SoC (they are creating Intel/TI devices)

Sony (rumored Tegra 3 tablet at the tail end of the year.. possibly, but nothing is confirmed)

So, it is still mostly Chinese/Taiwan OEMs creating devices using Nvidia SoC. With Samsung out & now as direct competition against Nvidia (if i remember correctly, Samsung dominated the small android tablet market last year & was Nvidia's #1 customer...)... Nvidia really needs Google to use Tegra 3 in their rumored tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
OK. I have seen that one before..lol. I remwber it now. you right then on raw power vs. Mali. I stand corrected and can admit when I was wrong. i think i turned the blind eye to that chart. but i will look for a more current comparison of those gpu though. that was last year. What makes it so great, like a site said before compared to new Ipad, is that these newer gpu can be more powerful than tegra3 gpu BUT tegra3 will still pump out the better looking game. even against more powerful gpu, tegra3 gpu still has some computational advantages. then add in the powerful CPU and you have the ingredients to make some great looking games with killer effects added. like CPU is used for physics like computations. like clothing and particle fx. the rippling of the flags in Shadowgun gun and other stuff. hard to explain but i think you know what I mean. Me personally, I like the fact of Android tegra3 games having the best versions. makes it exclusive to have the best graphics, gameplay, and special fx. that's the great thing about nvidia working closely with game developers and encouraging them to utilize and make the best version possible for tegra3 devices. other android tablet owners might hate it, but oh well..lol. that's an advantage we have by owning a tegra3 device.

I haven't played it yet. I was surprised to see that it was free. I have it on Ipad and the game is sick! its like a horror/survival type game that uses unreal 3 engine. the Ipad version looked really good and graphics just as good or better than infinity blade 2. The makers already stated the tegra3 THD version will be the best one. it has improved/more detailed graphics & fx. I really hope its not freemium. I hate those kind. in Ipad version you played the game and monsters you killed give you money so you can buy new weapons. you could also find money. I hope the android version didn't nerf the money you find in game in favor of having to purchase money or Weapons with real life money. I will play it and let you know. its really a cool game though. best to be played with head phones on for a more in depth experience, like with Dead Space. which is another great looking and playing game. this game might easily have the best graphics out on android currently. might even best ShadowgunTHD.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Omg, finally.. you are slowly seeing my point & the light. Nvidia has some amazing patent on physicX & their special effect. Focus on that aspect (which can make a world of difference in how the game looks) instead of RAW power. If you go by that, Tegra 3 simply loses to other GPUs.. and in benchmark. However, Nvidia makes up for it with their graphic patents.... it's also the main reason why Keplar GPU is getting all the hype and recognition atm.

While I do dislike their poor choice of drivers with Tegra 3.. I think they are heading in to right direction with Tegra 4 Grey version.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
But something's happening here that's larger than Teg3, Wayne, or any other Nvidia chips. The mobile industry is a very tight community. A lot of people move between companies too. Don't you think they follow each other’s design, manufacturing, and launch experiences? With Teg3 having failed in the One X, a major flagship device, don't you also think other device manufacturers are going to think differently of Nvidia because of it? And HTC launched the XL and S at the same time and both are having fewer than average issues so it’s obviously not HTC themselves behind the One X’s problems. So when the Nvidia rep goes knocking on doors it's field experiences not some promise of a wondrous future that are going to be the topic of conversation. And I’m guessing those conversations didn’t go well at Samsung which is why Nvidia’s CEO said they’re not doing business with them anymore. The One X is going to be a lot harder for Nvidia to get past than the Prime.