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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The darker side of Teg 3:

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/

The Exynos comparison wasn't even to Samsung's newest chip which is going to launch in the next Tab.

http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/30/samsung-announces-dual-core-exynos-5250-soc-clocked-at-2ghz/

The Teg 3 may be the greatest thing known to silicon but it's still early. In everything but gaming, especially video playback, Teg 2 was the least impressive of the dual-cores.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Tegra2 still won the whats new gadget award from popular science magazine, just recently. Which is their top honor. I made a thread on it. Plus tegra2 was the 1st. Dual core. It paved the way for other newer dual cores. It basically brought Android to a whole nother level.

I will read your links shortly on the Darkside of things ;-)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Popular Mechanics? Really? I totally agree Nvidia deserves props for being able to get both the first dual-cores and quad-cores to market. But first doesn't always mean best. And sometimes it just makes you a target. Technology's a marathon, not a sprint.

Here's a pretty detailed review of Exynos in the SGS2. It talks about differences between the various SoC designs.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/14
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tdrussell:
Yeah i was like "huh?" on the popular science article. T2 certainly paved the way, but exynos blows it out of the water. however it was also much later to the game...

Tegra2 just doesn't seem that well received overall, but it was the basis for some serious market growth in android tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The fact that until 3.2 it was the only SoC that HC ran on certainly didn't hurt Nvidia's sales.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Interesting info on the Semiaccurate link BUT he is clearly biased against Nvidia. The reason is very silly also. Keep reading into the comments. All of his info is not correct/accurate..hence semi accurate..lmao his comparisons are way off as his main comparison to tegra3 is some future chip with smaller die. That chip he compares won't be here for a long time. By then the newer Nvdia chips will be out. Plus when he did this article it was on an uncompleted tegra3. Before they added the 5th core.

Do I believe Nvidia might've missed original targets n such? Sure..happens all the time. Still doesn't deny it's the best out now. That article is clearly biased though. Seems like all they trying to do is slam Nvidia. Even in comments section someone links a final Anandtech review of chip basically dismissing what the guy said from semi accurate. Article makes it seem like Tegra3 is a complete failure which we all know it's not. If it was, it wouldn't have been praised so much by basically all major reviewers n held as the most powerful tablet today.

Don't even let me get started on Nvidia's roadmap for future chipsets. Forget tegra3(kal el), kal el+, and Wayne chips. I'm jumping straight to STARKS chipset. Nothing will come close or even touch it. It'll be the equivalent to or more powerful than a PC class quad core CPU/GPU chipset over clocked to 3GHz per core. Basically 100% more powerful than Tegra2. I linked the article a couple weeks back or so.

Like my original link said though, Samsung will be the one to not be taken lightly also. Yes, this is a marathon of technology but I believe Nvidia is here for the long haul and will more than meet Everyones expectations.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
There should be alot of Tegra 3 devices in 2012. Smart Phones and Tablets.

Per the CEO in their Nov 10th Earnings Report Q & A
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
NVIDIA has done it again. They announce the imminent release of new Tegra3 chip called the T3+ that will have Wayne & Grey variants. NVIDIA SUPER HERO CHIPS. GREY will have the new Nvdia Icera LTE radio in it. Likely replacement for qualcomm s4(due to them being unable to meet demand this year) chip. Check the OP for the updated info and link.

Rise from the dead, old thread. Nvidia strikes again!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Updated with even more news.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] guitar1969:
Any chance the Asus Infinity would get it as a last minute improvement. Considering Asus is charging a premium for that tablet, I would expect it to have the latest and greatest at launch. If not, will make you wonder if you should just pass on it and look for another tablet. I know we are always chasing the technology, but it seems the only way these manufacturers can sell top of the line is to pack the latest and greatest at time of launch.

i am still scratching my head what to get instead of the prime as the top of the line tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] darkbahamut:
Nvidia has done what again, exactly?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
Not really true, as Nvidia is facing the same supply constraints as well, since they both use the same supply manufacturers. (such as TSMC)

And it's not like suddenly there will be no supply of S4 chips. Just not enough to meet the high demand from Apple. The supply constraints will most likely be solved by the end of this year making it temporary at best.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Created yet another PowerPoint slide describing a wonderous future. I'd like to see less PPT slides and more actual evidence of some of what their describing being far along in the development process. Their keep talking about chips being released this year (it's already April) but there haven't been any comments from semi-accurate or AnandTech with detail or any test mules released for review. You'd expect both if a chip was being released in a few months. As they say, talk is cheap.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Despite launching last year, the fact that the total number of tegra3 devices currently available can be counted on one hand is extremely telling.

Besides, tegra isn't even the fastest gpu in the mobile market. I believe the powervr series is.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] justwonder:
NVIDIA rebrands old into new.:D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
This guy dont know what he talkiing about..lmfao

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME TALKIING. IM TEGRA3 KING AROUND HERE.

HTTP://pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1

TABLETS&PHONES

1) transformer prime-dec. 2011 t egra3 ap30h & t20

2)htc one x s270e(htc supreme)-april 2012 tegra3 ap33H

3)transformer 300-APRIL/MAY 2012 TEGRA3 T20

4)transformer infinity pad- may/june 2012 tegra3 T33

5)Acer 510-APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H

6)htc one xt(htc endeavor)-may 2012 tegra3 ap33h

7) Toshiba Excite 7 T AT270 / Excite 7.7 AT275- june 2012 tegra3 t33

8) Toshiba Excite 13 T AT330 / Excite 13.3 AT335- june 2012 tegra3 T33

9) Toshiba Excite 10 T AT300 / Excite 10.1 AT305- may 2012 tegra3 T33

10) ZTE T98- july 2012 tegra3 T30S

11) ZTE PF100-july 2012 tegra3 T30S

12)ZTE ERA- JULY 2012 tegra3 AP30H

13)HTC QUATTRO- MAY 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H

14) LG P880 Optimus 4X HD (LG X3)- JUNE 2012 AP30H

15) Acer Iconia Tab A700- APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H

16) Fujitsu Stylistic M532- MARCH/APRIL 2012 TEGRA3 AP30H

17)GOOGLE NEXUS TABLET MADE BY ASUS- SUMMER 2012 TEGRA3

P.S. TEGRA3 IS THE MOST POWERFUL ANDROID TABLET CHIP OUT NOW AND HAS BEEN SIMCE DECEMBER. MOST POWERFUL CPU & GPU

TEGRA3 IS THE TALK OF THE TOWN. YOU BETTER ACT LIKE YOU KNOW.

Show me another chip maker that will have this many tablets and some phones with a comparable powerful chip by july at the latest. its not samsung, its not qualcomm(THEY crippled and cant even meet s4 demand till 2013..lol), its not t.i. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, TABLET MARKET WILL BE SATURATED WITH TEGRA3

2012 IS THE YEAR OF TEGRA3

CLASS IS OVER. YOU'VE BEEN SCHOOLED ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
I said currently available, not in july, not in summer, none of the bolded products above are available for purchase from places like amazon or brick and mortar stores, some haven't even been officially announced yet (ie, the nexus tablet)

you need to calm down, you've regressed to a ranting, raving lunatic around here
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
1. Issues with Primes aren't solved.

2. Nvidia to pick out optimal Tegra 3? Isn't that grounds for lawsuit? Even considered as deceit??

3. I do agree with Asus & HTC being victims (or fools). I agree 100% on **** code, drivers, and kernels....

It's amazing how Nvidia is having trouble with the yields. The funny thing is, this is all good news for Intel as they are looking to purchase Nvidia.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
there has been no proof of Nvidia having trouble with yields. show some hardcore facts/proof on this. not some guesses from a blog/tech site...hint semi-not accurate..lol all false assumptions till documentation or proof shown other wise to prove that claim. even nvidia came out and shot down that claim. all conspiracy theories if you ask me. people dwell on rumors too much. lets stick to the facts ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
I hope you keep that same sentiment with your own opinion. Sorry, but judging by my view... 95% of your statements are based on your opinion... from.. guess what.. guesses/predictions from blog/tech sites. Such as your "belief" in Tegra 4 being kepler based after ONE tech site's prediction.

Anyways... Nvidia having issues with "yields" isn't new news. They constantly had trouble with "yields" in multiple products. But anyways.. here's one link for you (I can link more of Nvidia & their yield issues on various products if you want).

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...er_Than_Expected_Chief_Executive_Officer.html

quote:

"Chief executive officer of Nvidia Corp. said that besides continuously increasing capital expenditures that the company ran into in the recent months will be accompanied by lower than expected gross margins in the forthcoming quarter. The company blames low yields of the next-generation code-named Kepler graphics chips that are made at TSMC’s 28nm node."

Nvidia's direct quote of them having issues with "yields". Although they are blaming TSMC..

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_struggling_poor_28nm_yields

quote:

"We know one thing for certain, however; the yields of the 28nm wafers used to make Kepler GPUs have been horrible, and it's going to cost Nvidia big in the upcoming months.

"We are ramping our Kepler generation very hard, and we could use more wafers. The gross margin decline is contributed almost entirely to the yields of 28nm being lower than expected,” Xbit Labs reports Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang as saying during a conference call. "That is, I guess, unsurprising at this point." Arg, hopefully we're not going to see the ghost of delayed Fermi

architectures past."

Ahh.. in the end.. the original link by Barry..

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/01/why-cant-nvidia-supply-keplergk104gtx680/comment-page-1/

It seems to backup that article.. a bit.. doesn't it? As in, Nvidia's 28nm yield problem is more of NVIDIA's own problem, not TSMC. That and TSMC increased their capacity to produce 28nm & other customers of TSMC aren't exactly complaining (such as AMD... and HD 7970.. which is on 28nm is widely available).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
who dared to rate my thread low..lol im not even going to address that post. what i will address is what im reading now, through various google current feeds such as your beloved Slashgear, etc.

all that hype behind the quad core Exynos 32nm and its benchmarks are not impressive at all. ive just seen the slashgear comparison on samsung chip , tegra3, and the S4. tegra3 Cpu is still far more powerful out the 3 and tegra3 gpu/3d scores is highest out of the 3. this was using quadrant. if you look at the breakdown, tegra3 still shown to top them all. what i will give the samsung chip is its amazing I/O speeds. said the best to be seen in a smartphone yet.

Amazing how a 5-6 month old 40nm Tegra3 still outperforms and outmuscles the Exynos 32nm quad core and the 28nm S4. truly amazing. like i said, im sticking with Nvidia. the proof is in the pudding.

on a side note, i like the Sg3 screen size and how it looks. reminds me of the Note. we will have to see if the quad core even carries over to u.s. launch. so far, things are pointing to it more being a dual core for u.s. its in the same situation like htc One X. global gets quad core, u.s. will likely get dual core sammy chip or maybe even dual core s4. we will see once they announce later in the month on what exactly will be in u.s. version.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Sigh and double face palm

You may want to restrict yourself to maybe 30 words or less posts.... I fear your gonna develop Carpo Tunnel if you keep this nonsense up :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
The one thing no one's been able to explain is why when problems arise only certain devices are affected. With both the Prime and the One X, devices built within days of each other, using the same h/w and s/w, and on the same assembly line perform differently. In HTC's case, the XL is the same phone only with a different SoC and radio and it suffers none of the same issues. That pretty much narrows it down to Teg3. And with the last update, bad devices got better and devices without issues suddenly had them. The Prime suffered the same thing. Since Nvidia controls the code they've been the puppet master in both instances. Both the Prime and One X are near the max end of the Teg3 performance envelope so yields could be creating inconsistencies. If that's the case, the lower clocked TF300 might not be affected. It doesn't explain why the A510 isn't having issues though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Lol, the only slashgear benchmark they did is this one.

http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-s-iii-exynos-quad-core-benchmarked-03226078/

And that beat the crap out of HTC ONE X.. both version. Btw, this shows Quadrant benchmark..

S3 = 5642

HTC One X = 4850, 4835

So yea, what exactly are you reading?

From engadget benchmark I linked you... S4 beat the crap out of both Tegra 3 and Exyno 4. I figured this is the one you will use to declare how great Tegra 3 is compared to Exyno 4.

On Anandtech's review.. it is more favorable towards Exyno 4 as they have some more time to benchmark over other sites.

So yea, what are you reading from "major" sources that I like so much for you to say Tegra 3 outperforms/outmuscles?? If you exclude Engadget.. majority of the sites have Exyno 4 as tops from early benchmark.

Edit: From Slashgear's quadrant breakdown pic... I can't even tell which has more CPU & GPU power as neither pic shows exact #. The breakdown seems rather similar.. except in the final benchmark # where Exyno 4 clearly beats out Tegra 3. So, I have no idea how you concluded that Tegra 3 CPU & GPU power is greater from that PICTURE (or chart without actual #s).

Oh, also..

http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-2-7-0-and-10-1-source-code-posted-20120503/

quote:

" it’s time to start diving into that code. Samsung has just posted the open source code not only for the 7-inch model of the Galaxy Tab 2, but the delayed 10-inch version as well."

Uggh, is that an indication that quad-core GTab 10.1 will be released soon?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
this is my last debunking of your posts for tonight..lol lets take a closer look at that Quadrant score. as several factors make up that final score. plus i specifically pointed out what teg3 crushed Exynos quad core. Remember, this is a closer look at each individual score in quadrant. quadrant overall score doesnt show what each chip excelled at in each category, hence the breakdown.

quadrant from slashgear:

CPU SCORES:

Exynos4 quadcore : 12,781 Obvious winner is tegra3 here

Tegra3 cpu : 13,211

S4 CPU score: 7,848

3D/GPU scores:

Exynos4 quad: 2,171 Obvious winner here is tegra3

Tegra3: 2339

S4: 2,239

like i said specifically in previous post, tegra3 beat out s4 and exynos4 quad in cpu and gpu performance. only reason sammy chip even edged out tegra3 on the overall score is because of its good memory score and even better I/O score. when it comes to cpu or gpu, tegra3 still holds the crown. even on phones.

for your other s4 links, dont care. already posted up detailed results and video to back up my claims. so s4 will never win when i have sources to show tegra3 winning. so give that one a rest at least as i won that battle.

I'm done rehashing the obvious facts. goodnight..lol you gotta come harder than that next time buddy. you may want to stick to windows, which you like so much. android doesn't seem to be your specialty...lmao SMILE!!

So thats what im reading! lol i never skew the facts. :)

edit: now you quoting rumors..lol sammy 10 in wont see the light of day anytime soon. even if it does. Tegra3 already has it out muscled in the tablet market. more devices out using tegra3 and more to come. no one excited about sammy tab. its a lil too late for for them for 2012
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] FlyboySR71:
I'd like to start off by saying you guys are all hilarious. I got such a kick out of all your posts that I created an account just to tell you that.

Now for my two cents. I don't understand all of the debates going on about which tablet processor is faster. Tegra 3 is clearly the fastest since none of the other Processors are available in a Tablet (yet)! If you want to discuss phones than I clearly see it as a tie for now. The fact that there are so many different benchmarks with all 3 processors winning at least a couple each should be proof of that. This is a win for everyone, buy the processor that will most benefit individual needs. I would also like to point out that you guys have been comparing 2 brand spanking new processors to a processor that is two weeks short of being 6 months on the market, yet that six month old processor is still able to more than hold its own and even come out on top occassionally. Actually, Tegra 3 was finalized almost a year ago but had to wait for Android to release ICS. I say this was a major win for Tegra 3. I'd like to see where the S4 and Exynox processors will stack up in 6-9 months down the road (Tegra 4 w/kepler, s4pro w/adreno 320gpu, etc). Not to mention that the high end version of the Tegra 3 (T33) is supposed to be released next month, right around the same time that the first Galaxy S3s will be arriving. If you really want to compare CPU's wait and compare it to something that was released in the same quarter at the very least, not something thats 6 months old.

Also, it's very hard to compare the power efficiency of two different processors on two different tablets, too many variables. ie. An amoled display will draw less power than a Super LCD2.

Anyways, this is just my 2 cents, well, more like 2.5! Take care!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
EXACTLY!

very well put. my points exactly! thanks for adding your 2.5 cents. feel free to join in anytime. These guys needed your Reality Check ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
hey demandyboy, quit making sock puppets

kthxbye!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ilostmypistons:
Sorry Bro I have to do this :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
That applies for Exynos, not S4. The HTC One X and XL are identical phones. The X has Teg3, The XL has S4. The XL gets between 20-30% better battery life. So if the Infinity Pad comes in both a Teg3 and S4 (LTE) version you can safely assume the S4 version will get 20+% better battery life. There's a reason everyone's moving to lower die sizes. You can also assume that because the Exynos is on a smaller die it'll be more efficient; no matter where it's used or what type of panel's on the device.

And Nvidia's taken out the launches of two important devices for two different manufacturers due to SoC issues. With other very viable options available, why would a manufacturer spin the wheel and choose an Nvidia SoC over others with better launch records? Teg3 in the Prime and One X have cost both Asus and HTC a fortune in returns and exchanges which directly impact their profit. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

And no one answered the question as to why identical Teg3 devices perform differently from one another. Unless someone offers a better explanation, I'm sticking with inconsistencies in the chips Nvidia's shipping.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-tab-2-10-1-finalized-and-up-for-pre-order-04226285/

Absolute garbage. Galaxy Note 10.1 better not be the same...

Edit: btw, it is interesting to see how different section of the world is viewing SGIII..

North America & its media HATE/Dislike it..

European/Asian media seems to like it....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I saw that..lol dual core 1Ghz. I think they aiming for the low end market again. but now with 300n Acer out for around the same price, people would go with better spec device.

north America hates it because we will likely only get the dual core version of that chip or the S4. Europe Asia loves it because they will have the quad core.

I'm telling you, everyone wants a quad core. they did a poll of over 5000 people and like more than 75% said they rather have a quad core device than a dual core. it kind of has an apple effect, if you know what i mean. same reason why Americans got mad about the att and other one x that has the dual core. everyone here wanted the One X with quad core. regardless of how powerful it is or not, most android users rather have a quad core. Quad core sounds better and more powerful than a dual core. regardless of spec. which is why you see everyone else now, after Nvidia, trying to bring out quad core. you tell someone you have a quad core phone or tablet. they are amazed. if you tell them its dual core, it sounds old and out dated and not as powerful.

but yeah that Sammy tab BLOWSSSS! lmfao. I been seen it but didn't want to rub salt in the wounds. bit since you brought it up now, we can clown it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
Nah, mostly about the design ..... far as specs are, most flagship tablet/phones are the same except the SoC. So, I really don't care in that aspect...

But yea, North America market dislikes the design aspect... while Europe/Asia likes it. Kinda odd... somewhat.. i guess..

Btw, garbage is garbage. I don't care who makes it... I'm not bias to any product or company (okay, excluding Nintendo... haha) like you. =P But yea, GTab 2 10.1 is garbage... not sure why they are suddenly going after low-market. Perhaps they lost interest in Android tablet & are re-locating their resource into making a splash with Win 8 tablet (and charge a lot more).

But yea.. I'll even join you in trashing that tablet. It is absolute garbage & even for $400... it is garbage.