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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
I've read alot of this thread and i think alot of people have the wrong opinion about the at&t note.

We all want the galaxy note in the u.s. with or without LTE. But we don't want it to be compromised with a s3 chipset instead of the wonderful exynos chipset in exchange for LTE.

Well for me at first i really thought that the most important thing for me was the chipset, and more specifically the gpu (since I'm so big into mobile games) . But after really thinking about it i really just want this thing for the display. I mean after all if i wanted an exynos device i would've just popped for the gs2 already. I really just want this thing for its potential as a tablet AND a phone, regardless if it has eyxnos or not, and alot of people are not going to care either. And after really doing some research, i realized the adreno 220 isn't going to be a bad substitute at all for the Mali 400. Considering every game currently available runs absolutely fine on both, there not much really being sacrificed on that matter. However i still realized the day-to-day performance concerns with the s3 chipset, and how it may also affect the battery. But all in all i don't think the chipset difference is going to deter the performance enough to be noticeable or deter potential buyers. Nor do i think people should attempt to make the device seem so much inferior to its international counterpart. Its going to be a great phone regardless.

I still plan to buy the GNote from at&t (then possibly sell it if unsatisfied) simply because i can't afford it out right internationally . Furthermore i don't think the people who are against the at&t note should gripe about possible performance problems....atleast not yet. What we also have to remember though is that at&t hasnt said whether or not its going to have s3 for sure yet anyway. With that being said, it is really that hard to imagine at&t and Samsung slapping either the exynos 4212 or the s4 chip? They both support LTE and if I'm not mistaken have both been sampled already and ready to go. So although i wouldn't be super dissappointed if the s3 if the final chipset, it just would super nice if they go for somethig more long term.

Just have to wait and see how it goes.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] borijess:
+1
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Honestly, I'm not really buying into the whole LTE thing unless and until either truly unlimited data returns or I have no other choice. I mean, getting 50+mbit downloads are great and all, but that starts to be pretty pointless when you either start having to pay overages at 2 or 4 gigs, or start getting throttled at that point anyway.

I mean, what's the point of having a Ferrari if you're just gonna be charged huge tolls after your first "included" mile of driving?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
I see this argument a lot, and frankly, I just don't understand it. Data rates are about how fast you get something, and and data limits are about how much of it you can get. The two aren't really related, unless you just keep downloading stuff just because you can. If I view "X" amount of stuff on my phone, I can wait Y amount of seconds to view it, or something less than Y. It's still the same amount of data. If I have a choice to drive a Ferrari down the street, or a Camry, I'll take the Ferrari. If I'm going to the same destination, I'm not going any further, but I could get there faster and have more fun doing it.

I don't like limits, because I don't like worrying about going over them. But the fact of the matter is, HSPA+ is fast enough that I'm never saying "Gee, I'd like to look at this web page or download this file if I could get it faster, but at this speed, I just won't bother". I would likely use the same amount of data if I was on LTE. I would just get it a little faster. Though frankly, for mobile use, HSPA+ is generally "good enough" to get the job done, for me. I'd certainly take faster speeds if I could get it, but it's not a HUGE deal. The bigger deal for me is simply the fact that LTE is currently less crowded, so the occasional congestion might not be as bad on it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Celestial:
Data speeds and caps

It really depends what you use it for. I have two kids so I use Netflix and PlayOn to stream media. Netflix allows you to modify the amount of data it streams but does not take into account multiple devices. PlayOn I believe does this automatically, which is a problem because on LTE-based phones it will stream a higher quality video.

The Verizon Galaxy Nexus does not have a LTE toggle by default and unless consumers are aware they will use more of their data plan than they realize.

http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/lte...xus-users-may-be-coming-to-cyanogenmod-9-r286

For users of this board, that won't be an issue but most people wouldn't know that or how to manage the data networks to stay within their limits.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
See that's just it though, with greater bandwidth comes the capacity for doing more things with it, and thus consuming more data itself. With LTE, I could potentially watch Netflix in HD or something (which on the Note's screen, totally makes sense). Or I could get a Slingbox and enjoy that service, or use Google music on the go more often, without having to keep as big a cache on my device, or enjoy any number of other data intensive applications and services that really just work better when there's more bandwidth to go around. In that sense, yeah, I'd reach my limits much faster.

Granted, if I'm just going to continue to use my device in exactly the same way as I currently am, and not take advantage of all the other possible amazing ways I could use it otherwise, thus not consuming any more data in a given period, then I may as well stick with HSPA+. Also, as it is, I already regularly consume 4 - 6 gigs of data anyway, so I'm already exceeding any would-be limits.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] yentlequible:
Can someone explain to me the differences between the two processors and why the international is so much better?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
I can't speak directly to the issues of streaming HD video to a phone, as it's not something I do very often. I'll do the occasional youtube video, but if I'm going to watch a movie, I want to watch it at home on a big screen with lots of good speakers. If I'm not at home, I'm not typically sitting in one spot with nothing to do but watch a movie. But with that said, according to some googling, you shouldn't need LTE to stream HD Netflix or PlayOn. Looks like 1-2mbps should be plenty, which is well within the capabilities of HSPA+ (though granted, congestion can significantly affect that, so I could see some hiccups depending on how good your bandwidth is in your particular location and time of day). I've not had problems streaming the occasional 720p youtube video, but I could see chances of issues popping up being much greater if you were watching long enough to watch a whole movie. FWIW, my personal test history on my Note on AT&T has results as low as 1122kbps, and as high as 9882kbps, but most often falls in the 3xxx range. As far as using Google music on the go more often... again, that's a data cap issue, not a bandwidth issue. You don't even need HSPA+ to stream music. It's the cap that can be a problem, even on 3G. I fully understand the contempt for the caps. My point is simply that any issues you may have with the caps can exist regardless of whether you're on HSPA+, or LTE, and the faster speeds of LTE can be enjoyed despite the caps. They are two different things.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
I have no doubt about the congestion being the main issue when it comes to HSPA+, and I know that I should be able to get HD and such. I guess LTE is indirectly a good thing though, because the more people get on to LTE, the more people are getting off of HSPA+; less congestion for me!

As for limitations, I suppose I forgot to mention something: If I wanted to upgrade my account and use the PTA APN for LTE on a capable device, I could do that, and still keep my "unlimited" data. However, for those kinda of grandfathered users, AT&T does implement some pretty severe throttling once you reach, I think it's a 4gb threshold or something. I'm not sure if that throttling applies if you're only on the PTA APN or not, or if you're only on LTE or not. However, as I mentioned, I go through about 4 to 6 gigs a month on average. So if my Ferrari is only going to be forced to drive the same speed limit as my Camry anyway, once I've gone a certain distance, then I might as well just stick to my Camry all along anyway.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Maybe it will have the s4 or the exynos 4212. you never know.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
Yes, from what I understand, the throttling can be pretty severe (and I understand it's happening regardless of whether or not you're on HSPA or LTE). So in this case, you might as well take the Ferrari and enjoy it while you can, then just get out and walk the rest of the way. ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
IDK, I'm still using just HSPA on my Phone APN, and I'm still going through almost 6 gigs of data, and I haven't been throttled... yet...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Yeah honestly i use about 15-20gbs a month and never notice data throttling.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
I'm pretty sure they haven't started throttling people unless you've upgraded your account to the LTE "unlimited" plans.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Well actually, they send anyone who is in the "5% top users" a notification by text stating they will throttle you. This varys depending on your market though. I general receive my notification at about 10gbs of usage every month, however because i imagine my market isn't so heavy on traffic they don't bother to actual throttle me. Atleast i never notice it. This all granted i use hspa+.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sennz:
am i the only one whos gonna be putting their gnote on craigslist after the CES announcement?

Orlando just got LTE yesterday so now I cant wait for the att note. I will probly cancel my home internet and just use the note to tether. LTE ftw.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
I wonder how much data you consume on your home internet as it is right now? Furthermore, I wonder how quickly you'll be wishing that you kept your home internet once AT&T starts throttling you back to dial-up speeds once you've passed the throttling threshold, whatever that may be?

Believe me, I had EXACTLY the same idea as you have, but once I learned about AT&T's throttling policies, and ESPECIALLY when I considered that I consume as much as 150GB of data a month on my Comcast service, that basically rendered my intentions of using a Skyrocket as a WiFI AP for my house pretty much useless...

Using LTE in this way is absolutely useless to me unless and until TRULY unlimited service is an option. No caps. No overages. No speed limitations. No ISP filtering (which wired ISP's CAN'T do, but wireless ISP's CAN do btw).

Yeah let me know how that plan works out for you after about a month of having it...

Good luck though! ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
Not only AT&T is throttling top 5% data hogs, they are also actively packet sniffing to catch illegal tethering (those didn't pay for tethering plan). So the chances are you will be caught doing both. For same amount of money, you get about 200GB/month for your residential internet service but you get only 4GB/month for your tethering plan.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
They don't even need to do packet sniffing actually. AT&T loads CarrierIQ onto all their devices now anyway, so they can tell everything you're doing just from that alone. Yet another reason to give AT&T the middle finger by buying unlocked.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxbat121:
I'm pretty sure CarrierIQ will no longer be loaded in GNote. But there are plenty of other ways to monitor you (For example AT&T GS2, the original version, not the Skyrocket, doesn't have CarrierIQ and many users still get C&D notice from AT&T for tethering). Unlocked phones are not safe either as long as you still use AT&T network.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] planoman:
Seriously? 4GB plan and you plan to tether your home usage? I do not know how much data you run through your home but you will be broke trying to do that. If you have unlimited LTE data, you will be throttled at or before 5GB to less than 3G speeds.

Might want to rethink that plan.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
Idk, I've tethered with my GT-i9100 and my Note plenty of times already without running into any issues, yet... Then again, I don't really do it that often anyway, and when I do, I'm not like abusing it or anything. Maybe I've just gotten lucky so far...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] planoman:
On LTE? Seems they only mess with LTE unlimited plans. If you are using that much data on hspa+, dude put the phone down and step away! That is many many hours on your phone or whatever you are using.

Edit: I saw above you are on HSPA. Please get help lol!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Yeah i have also never recieved a nasty email about tethering. However i rarely tether as it is though, even though i don't have home internet atm.

What It really is going to all come down to your market. At&t has different restrictions based on markets and they all have different rules and obviously different kind of users. At&t has a specific domestic data department that actually handles all customer data traffic issues. For most markets their system automatically notifies a user if they are going to change their plan or throttle then, while in other markets you may not receive any notification at all. It has alot to do with amount of users in your "area", the way at&t acquired your market, and believe it or not climate conditions. So like jade said you just gotta be lucky.

But anyway it is a for sure bad idea to tether on lte. That's for sure lol. It would be nearly impossible to get by it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Haha. Your right. But i don't have home internet right now. That's the main reason why. :)

They only offer comcast in my region, and i hate comcast. So i prolly won't get it until at&t says otherwise!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DJ_smooth:
http://phandroid.com/2012/01/06/sam...enied-official-press-shots-emerge-soon-after/

So assuming those renders are accurate, the AT&T version replaces the home button with capacitive. That means the device can only be woken up with the power button, right?

I wonder what other hardware modifications are under the hood for the AT&T version?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dscline:
No, they're throttling non-LTE users too. When you think about it, it would make more sense to throttle non-LTE users, but NOT LTE users, since LTE isn't congested, and they would want to incentivise people shifting to LTE. But apparently they're doing it to anyone, just not consistently. They aren't known for making good choices.

For sure. I went over my 250GB limit on Comcast last month. I wouldn't last a a few days trying to run all this through AT&T. I generally don't have much trouble staying below my 2GB plan with AT&T, I just don't need huge amounts of data on the go. But at home? There are so many devices connected to my network, just the background noise would probably put me over AT&T's limit.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] planoman:
Ahhh got ya. Thank goodness for Verizon fios! We also have ATT U verse which is really pushing their service in our area.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bclark:
At first yes, but I'm sure mods will be released to use the volume keys. Actually you could use widgetlocker to do this off the bat iirc
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Ryanscool:
A lot lol. And well maybe ice cream sandwhich included ;). Seems odd it would come with it but you never know, ics has been out for a long time. I was also just reading there is a possibility for it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagles16:
i want a small case, doesnt make the phone much larger, decent build quality,

any suggestions?

i saw some 8$ tpu cases on amazon, are those worth it?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
Yeah those TPU cases are good. I have two of them and neither one has disappointed. The two I have are the ones below and for the second link I also have that one in a white version but obviously tends to get dirty a lot easier.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005MGUTW6/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details

http://www.amazon.com/BasalCase-Sam..._1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1324009258&sr=1-1
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kn0wBuddy:
The TPU-Cases ones are quite awesome. Very slim but professional, not-quite-soft but not-quite-hard, and well designed. Add to that the fact that TPU-Cases has excellent customer service and their cases are quite cheap (also try to order them direct if you can get free shipping instead of through Amazon), and there really isn't anything bad I can say about them. I have the matte black and the matte smoke, and they both look good on the E4GT.

Some folks have issues with the volume rockers being harder to press, but I actually prefer it that way, and there are a few easy fixes which reportedly work well if you find it problematic.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kc_exactly:
Just wanted to agree

I bought one and so did my wife. It is kind of an inside joke but I ALWAYS get the argyle one for all my phones. There is a subtle difference in our cases even though it is the same store. Mine doesn't have the power button covered. It is a lot more accessible. I am half tempted to take an exacto knife to the volume rocker.

The rubbery phone cases are a pain to get in and out of your pocket. Same goes for the silicon. The silicon cases easily fall of the phone and fall apart. Those hard but flexible cases really are the best. The do a good amount of protection.

The last thing I would add is on this phone I used a high gloss screen protector instead of Zapp. I like it a lot more. It was cheaper. It does soak up the fingerprints but the screen looks much better than the Zapp.

So, sometimes less is more. Otterbox and Zagg is about 80 bucks. This case and screen protector cost 20. You could get it for 10 on Amazon. I just like to support my local stores.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mindclue22:
I got the TPU case from the second link for under 3$ from eBay nd I love it :-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ppcpirate:
Are the TPU cases dust magnets like silicone cases?

also, anyone use this one with a kickstand?

http://www.amazon.com/Impact-Resist...kstand-Samsung/dp/B005NJDYJM/ref=pd_sim_cps_2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
Nope they are not dust magnets.

Mandado from my E4GT
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TBarb169:
So my screen dims by it self periodically and the goes back to normal. Any one else have this happen? It has happened on multiple roms.

OK, so I see my finger over the ambient light sensor does it, but but also does it on its own too.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] n0esc:
Menu | Settings | Display | Brightness | Automatic Brightness (Uncheck) | Ok

That should fix it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kangxi:
I was getting poor signal while I was at work. Had me worried about how the radio would perform. Fear not though, the below speed tests were taken while I was driving to a meeting. Faster than my Droid Razr.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
I've got 2 bars of 4g in my house but have noticed a couple drops here and there into 3g....will check results of speed and such later
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DOHCtor:
You're wasting your 4gb cap running those tests
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MetalWych:
I am getting speeds anywhere from 22mb to 41mb download speeds. Freaking amazing speeds. Love it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mozes316:
I noticed that my phone showed low signal strength but it seems to perform well regardless... Idk though. I think the issue is more cosmetic.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tauket2:
i get 1.27 mb/s on 3g in my room :/ I'll try it tomorrow on hspa+... it better be SIGNIFICANTLY faster :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
Who cares lol most people never come close to 2GB, let alone 4GB.

If that was a passive-aggressive way of laughing that T-Mobile gets unlimited data...you really shouldn't laugh about something like that. If T-Mobile could get half the speed Verizon's LTE network gets (in the general population) then I would be amazed.

Then again when you hit that 2GB "non-limit" your speed should keep a cool 200Kbps or so, no?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] upyouratrix:
Oh please vzw fanboy, go looks in the tmo GS2 section, they're getting 20-32mbps down from a lot of the screen shots i was looking at. And no, I'm not on tmo, I'm on AT&T and use a GS2 Skyrocket and get killer LET speeds. Don't knock a network when you obviously don't know what HSPA+ is capable of.

Are those pings typical on VZW LTE?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ccpotato:
whats the point? for what people do on a phone, the speed difference is non-perceived
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dr.duct_mossburg:
You are saying this knowing that T-Mobile begins to throttle at 100mb, right?

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This has so much fail in it that I don't even want to get close to it for I may just turn failure.

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95% of Verizon Wireless data users consume less than 2GB. The other 5% use 44% of the data thats processed on the network. I'm fine with the 2GB limit (though I am unlimited)... I have never used more the 1.5gb.

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Depending on the time of day. You will see significantly higher speeds in the middle of the night as there are minimal users on the tower compared to say, 3-5 when everyone is getting off or about to get off of work and is on there phone seeing what everyone did that day or is going to do that night.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Manacit:
I dunno why this has turned into a stupid T-Mobile v Verizon argument, but seriously cut the ****. For one, T-Mo doesn't throttle at 100mb or 2GB - you get 5GB of high speed data and then you're throttled.

At any rate, it's good to see that the 4G radio on the new GN is up to speed! Hopefully battery live holds up as well!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] upyouratrix:
Care to elaborate? I think my post seems fine...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dr.duct_mossburg:
Comparing hspa+ to LTE. If it were reliable and consistent with high speed in the 20mbps+ range like you say according to screen shots, Why would att be fumbling all over themselves trying to deploy LTE. I think it's very safe to say that when comparing network quality and speed Verizon has broken away and is steadily pulling.

Att loves the HSPA+ and the re branding of "4G".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DOHCtor:
Wow, I was just joking and wasn't trying to turn it into a pissing contest between carriers. lol some of you guys are so defensive.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nrfitchett4:
ummm, some plans have a 2gb soft cap, some have a 5gb cap. you pay more for the 5gb cap. I was throttled the first month with them. They are seem serious about it for the newer customers while legacy customers still seem to get true unlimited. Jumped ship to verizon for true unlimited and avg 5-7gb a month, no cap at all.

Oh, and when they throttled me (t-mobile), I only got about 50kbps down and every app or webpage would time out...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kangxi:
How do you know I don't have unlimited? Btw, I have unlimited :-)

And to whoever said you can't the difference in the speed, you most definitely do!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TroyBoy30:
kinda like verizons 3g speed compared to att's? Att got a late start but their lte will end up the same. faster. add in the fast that it falls back to hspa+ and it's a much better solution. coverage is dependant on area of course.

and yes those ping times are terrible