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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] shinzz:
When did Google announce they will be making Tegra 3 tablet? As far as the rumor goes, they haven't decided which SoC to use as they are trying to trim the price down....

But since OP pointed out... I'm sure it is a confirmation/fact since he made such statement.

Kinda odd for a SuperChip showdown thread that you only see "Tegra & Nvidia" news based on their PowerPoint. Plus, I thought according to Nvidia... Tegra 3 has achieved Console Quality graphics already (with ahem.. some claiming that Tegra 3 is at the same lvl as xbox 360 & PS3)... but now, mobile GPU might reach xbox 360 by 2014???

I wonder what else they will state next.....

Edit: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/qualcomms-s4-short-supply/

Quote from that article...

"Qualcomm has announced that it underestimated the demand for its new S4 processor for use in mobile devices like tablets and smartphones. Apparently, the increase in adoption of mobile devices to Qualcomm’s S4 Snapdragon chipset line is creating shortages that the company might not have the capacity to handle until the end of the year. The chipset can be found on devices like the HTC One X."

Could be just marketing BS by Qualcomm, but I'm sure Nvidia would like to face such problem.... HIGH DEMAND
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
"If you already read our HTC One S review you already know what to expect here. The Terga 3 chipset, despite being a quad-core one, is based on the older, Cortex-A9, architecture, so it's not dramatically faster than the latest generation dual-core Krait processors. What's more, on some benchmarks Tegra 3 lagged behind the Snapdragon

Oddly enough, single-threaded performance wasn't that different as Benchmark Pi shows, but Linpack tested in multi-threaded mode showed that two Krait cores outdo the Tegra 3 quartet. Still, the One X CPU provides plenty of power and chances are you won't be feeling limited by it in the near future."

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_x-review-747p3.php

Being king of tablet processors isn't enough for Nvidia to make their sales goals. There's not enough volume. On your list there's one phone, the non-LTE One X (LTE=S4). Now that I own one I know why Teg3 isn't being used in phones; it's a battery sucking pig. With a larger battery, doing the exact same things with the exact same apps I get 30% less battery life than I did with my i9100. Granted, some of it is the display but that level of battery performance will kill Teg3 in phones and explains why you don't see any. And phones are where the volume is. Teg3 is 40nm, the 4212 is 32nm, and the S4 is 28nm. The more modern chips (at least S4) deliver similar performance more efficiently without eating batteries for lunch. And the fifth core is amazing, the phone uses very little power at idle. So Teg3 is the chip to beat for people that don’t use their phones.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
in phones it does eat batteries for lunch..lol then add in the fact that htc making the batteries non replaceable hurts them in general. even for other processors. no more carrying a spare battery around.

i need to find out if the new tegra3 plus aka T3+ is still 40nm or if they reduced it to at least 32nm or so. there's a good chance they have.

just like apple is doing, if you haven't heard. apple is secretly reducing the size of the a5 processors in ipad 2 to a smaller die size. it'll make the ipad2 more efficient and even better on battery. tegra3 was the first of its kind. so going smaller die size is only natural. we already know tegra4 will use the same 4+1 arrangement of chips. except this time it'll have 5 Cortex 28nm A15 for the CPU. then everything is pointing to its gpu being keplar based so that'll put its gpu well above the entire competition. even anandtech said nothing will be more advanced or as powerful as that. Alot, including me, are waiting anxiously for benchmarks and more detailed info. Nvidia already released tegra4 to manufacturers since December so we should see stuff popping up soon.

p.s. oh n theres 4 phones on that list. htc one x, htc one xl, lg phone, and a zte one
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Seraphious:
And the rants continue tegra SOC' s will remain topdog for a very long time
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Leaked reports have shown that expected, the quad core exynos absolutely destroys tegra 3
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
That blasphemy is not even worth a good response. 2012 is the year of Tegra3. Period.

nice try though ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
I only see one Krait phone and nothing with Samsung's SoC. So both eating into the battery, too?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rushless:
You guys ain't fanboy'n chipsets are you? Your love for these chips is unrequited, since they have no feelings :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
There are two Krait phones; the One S on T-Mobile and the One X(L) on AT&T. The next Evo on Sprint (a modified One XL) is also Krait. To dramatize how bad Teg3 is at battery life, the One XL (Krait) gets 5 hours of screen on time over 16 hours while the One X (Teg3) is lucky to get 3 over 12. And they use the same display and battery so the only difference is the SoC and drivers. But fortunately Nvidia has PowerPoint slides that they're applying to the problem. ;)

The SGS3 is using the Exynos 4212 which is quad-core. There's some obscure Chinese phone releasing in May using it too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Your responses are becoming predictable and repetitive

*ahem*

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...hmark-appears-poised-to-rule-them-all_id29364
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Just as yours is. You come into a gunfight with a knife..lol. come back when you have a tablet showing that chip inside benchmarked. That link means nothing.

A non confirmed prototype benchmark, come on now...lmao. you got to come harder than that. A good honest try though. Find something on the tablet scene. Not some rumored phone. Like I said, TEGRA3 still holds title of most powerful chip inside android tablets today. No way around that fact buddy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
Bullcrap. Period.

CPU

The Tegra3 with its 4 cortex A9 cores is being pwnd at loads of areas by the A15 cpu (even on 2 cores! Tegra3 is absolutely no match for a 4-core A15 CPU).

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/

GPU

NVidia does a good marketing job, saying the Tegra3 is next-gen graphics blahblah. They might have added some nvidia-only stuff like you see in some games (for instance nice water effects), but in terms of raw horsepower; the Tegra3 GPU is getting pwnd at a lot of areas by the IPad3 A5x (Ipad3 has twice the resolution of the prime!)

See also above link where you can see that

We know nothing of the Tegra3+ at this moment, so lets wait ... Nvidia has a gap to fill....

demandarin don't listen to that NVidia propaganda ... get your facts right!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
don't show me some phone benchmark comparisons. we talking tablets in here. plus i got something to show you to contridict those scores on phone scene anyways..brb

that chip isnt even in any tablet so its scores are moot in this discussion.

funny how you thought you were actually coming with a news flash..lol but seriously, we talking Android tablets in here.

that was funny..

here we go, the same tegra3 vs. s4 tests.....except tegra3 killed the S4 in cpu and gpu scores. lol

http://android-on.ru/2012/04/23/обзор-nvidia-tegra-3-против-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4/

here it is translated: http://translate.google.com/transla...2%D0%B8%D0%B2-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4/&act=url

The winner of that showdown of benchmarks, Tegra3. with a score of 5-2 vs. Snapdragon S4.

try again ;)

oh, in tegra3 cpu destroys new ipad dual core 1ghz cpu. funny how u had to show two different chips. show me one chip that beats it on both fronts. you just seen tegra3 beat s4 on both fronts, basically. new ipad is lame because it has a powerful gpu but still has one of the weakest cpu in the industry. trying to attack tegra3 with 2 different chips thats only better on one front isnt meaningful. plus the benchmark i just showed contradicts your first one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] walie:
Oh really?

Dude, come on.

---------- Post added at 12:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 PM ----------

Really? Because you're taking Nvidia marketing speak as Gospel in this thread.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gooser91:
I don't know about you guys but the exynos 5250 is gonna wipe the floor with every other processor that is A9. They will not be able to come anywhere roe motels close to the cortex A15. This includes the tegra 3 (which is very lackluster and over rated IMO )

Either way, the debate isn't between tegra and s4, the only debate is when the 5250 will be available.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
No one is worried about that. It'll be a long time before that chip even reaches tablets. By then tegra4 will release. Which will be 4+1 setup of 5 core A15 @ 28nm process. Plus everything is pointing towards its gpu being keplar based.

Like I said before, Nvidia will have commanded most of this year, in Android tablets, with Tegra3 being top dog. There's no way around it. Its a fact. No other Android tablet out right now is more powerful CPU or even GPU wise.

If you want we can easily talk about chips nit even released yet. Anandtech predictions even said, nothing will come close to touching the power and advance technology tegra4 will have. These includes Samsung 5250, apple A5x, Qualcomm snapdragon S4, or T.I. Nvidia is ahead of everyone when it comes to breaking out new technology and always surpass everyone by large margins when they do. Others are just copycats. They copied Nvidia dual core design when theory were saying it wasn't needed. Now they copying quad core design when they originally said it wasn't needed. Nvidia will still have edge over other quad core designs because Nvidia actually adds a 5th. Core., like with tegra3.

All the hype right now is about Asus tablets and Nvidia Tegra3. TEGRA3 still toted as the king of Android mobile processors among major tech sites. That's why tegra3 is being released in most newer tablets set to release.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
The tegra2 design wasn't copied. In fact, the tegra2 is acting different than most other dual core cpu's (for instance: tegra 2 is unable to seperately control its cores). And yes, tegra2 was different with it's GPU (NVidia made some nvidia-only features, trying to get a monopoly on the market with its tegra-only games).

The tegra3 design, as you are stating yourself, is working differently than other quad core cpu's. So, what exactly are they copying?

Are they copy-cats just for implementing more than 2 cores?

Some in-depth information regarding the quad-core design of S4 and Tegra3:

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...n-s4-and-tegra-3-manage-arm-cores-differently
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gooser91:
I think you need to calm down a little and back up from nvidia. You seem to be blinded by your bias fanboyism.

The 5250 is already in mass production and is suppose to be released in tablets in Q2 to the second half of the year.

Also, i agree the CPU in the tegra 3 is at the top currently, but in terms of gpu it is extremely lacking. There are many socs with better gpus. Tegra has repeatedly under delivered as far as gpu is concerned.

I think your a little too protective of this tegra chip and neee to ease up a bit. I have sent my Asus Prime back for a refund because I was displeased, and I will never buy another Asus product as long as I live. The quality of the build, quality control, and screen were all extremely poor. I tried 4 Primes, all with defective screens and other problems. There's no need to defend this product or chip, what do you get out of it?

Let's just be honest with ourselves. The tegra 3 has a good CPU, a weak GPU and it will be smoked by the 5250 which will release very soon. Also, you expect tegra 4 out soon, by let us not forget when tegra 3 was suppose to be released, when it actually was released and how many products use it currently?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
there is no bias. only facts. if 5250 was so ready to release and mass produced then why did Samsung can 2 10.1 inch tablets in favor of releasing it much later in the year? get outta here..lol 5250 isn't in mass production at all yet. so that chip is moot till it releases.

Tegra3 has the most powerful GPU of any android tablet out in the market today. READ AGAIN, IN THE ANDROID "TABLET" MARKET TODAY. please show me your imaginary android "TABLET"chip that has a more POWERFUL GPU than tegra3. you cant because it doesn't exist. even the link i showed has the phone version beating out the s4, gpu and CPU wise. so your imaginary chip isn't even in existence to compare. it'll be close to end of year when that 5250 releases. by then it will be too late and they are behind the curve when other manufacturers moving on to bigger and better things.

Samsung is decent but they are apple wannabe's.

oh and alot more products use tegra3 vs. the 5250 which isn't even out yet..lmfao sounds like you Samsung biased which means apple wannabe ;)

it sux your prime didn't work out well for you but mines is the opposite. great build quality, great battery life, the best display in Android tablets today, and has the class leading and most powerful CPU & gpu combination in android tablets today, and that's the tegra3.

come back when you have some proof of something CURRENTLY available in the Android tablet market today to beat tegra3. Remember, ANNNDROIDD TABLETTT MARRRKETTT...lol

case closed :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
all i have to say is this,

1) what company brought out the worlds first mobile dual core design when no one else was even thinking about it? Nvdia with tegra2

2)what company brought out the worlds first quad core 4+1(really 5 cores) mobile core design when everyone else was stuck on dual core and said quad core wasnt needed? Nvidia with Tegra3. now everyone else wants to retract thier previous statements and come with quad core chips.

Can you see the trend? Nvidia has been setting the bar on new mobile chipset designs and the others follow in suite soon after. Im sticking with Nvidia, PERIOD. no other chip impresses and is praised as much for android than this chip so far.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
As the proud owner of a Teg3-powered One X I can say Teg3 is one of the biggest fails to hit the mobile market in years. Because it’s based on old technology (two 40nm chips glommed together) its power consumption is horrifying. That's why after being on the market since last winter there's just one phone using it. It's getting 30-45% less battery life than the One XL, an identical phone using S4. The LP core's great. Idle, which no phone really has a problem with and typically uses less than 5% of your battery, is fantastic.

Once again, in a rush to be first, Nvidia's released a product that was obsolete six months after it hit the market. And the new 32nm Samsung quad-core's are not even out yet.

And yes demandarin, Teg3 will do OK in tablets. Samsung's not using it (or any Nvidia chips) and Motorola's moving to TI. So, if Nvidia's lucky, they'll sell 10-15MM Teg3 chips this year. They were projecting to sell 36MM (and that's after revising down last quarter). Phones outsell tablets 10:1 so no chip can be a commercial success based on tablets alone and Nvidia never marketed (or projected) Teg3 to be specifically for tablets.

In addition, the One X is experiencing all the same funky issues related to either individual Teg3 chips being inconsistent or the drivers being a mess. The S4 version’s experiencing none of these problems. And because Nvidia drivers and low-level code are all proprietary HTC (like Asus) is at their mercy to try and get working devices in the hands of their customers.

Based on this, and the video failings of Teg2, why would any manufacturer choose Nvidia over another mobile chip vendor? Using the "three strikes and you’re out" metaphor, Teg3 is strike two.

And as far as S4 vs. Teg3 performance goes, here’s a comparison between two identical devices using both chips. Teg3 has a slight edge. Factoring in battery life, why would anyone choose the Teg3? It would be like buying a car for 10% in additional HP and giving up 30-45% in MPG.

http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison

Here's a Taiwanese video ridiculing the Teg3 version of the One X because of all its issues. It should look familiar to early Prime owners.

[YOUTUBE]ys-v5319SWU[/YOUTUBE]
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
meaningless as i already showed list with at least 15 tablets about to hit the market with tegra3 releasing within 1-3months. no other android chip has that many different tablets releasing soon with its chip. that easily shows who is superior in android tablet scene currently.

really i dont care about phones. im talking about tablets. plus my moto atrix with tegra2 still performs fine. high performance in phones really not needed. i could care less about that. im more into the tablet scene of things.

SO AS MUCH AS YOU HATE IS, TEGRA3 IS KING IN THE ANDROID TABLET SCENE. Thats all that matters to me..

plus quad core 5250 has no anticipated hype around it. The talk is mostly all Nvidia and what they going to do. Ill take an "imaginary, since not released yet" tegra4 "over an imaginary, since its not released yet" 5250. no major tech sites are hyped up or really talking about 5250. id bet even the new tegra3+ probably outshines Samsung new chip. Tegra4 will be a far more advanced design. Cant hate on them for that. Just ask Anandtech who he thinks the next big thing in upcoming mobile chips will be. heres a hint, he already made an article about it and its Tegra4. cant hate on innovation and leading the pack. now that samsung wants to copy going quad core, people think they can beat out the ones who originated it..lol Nvidia has slowly but surely been taking all the hype and praise on the android chip scene lately. sorry, but its true.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
And because of that it's a failure. And, because of all the issues that both Asus and HTC have experienced with Teg3, they and other manufacturers will be hard pressed to choose an Nvidia SoC when there are so many other better and more viable options available. Whether you choose to accept it or not Teg3 is a huge black eye for Nvidia, one they're going to have a hard time getting past.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
we will see by the end of these year who has most tablets out using their chip :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
I'm stepping in here before it gets worse and i need to hand out infractions.

Please everyone, no need to get angry here or to get loud.

Stay clam, informative and on-topic please.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hairdewx:
Battle of the fanboys...

I like the S4 chip as well, but I also own TWO Transformer Primes and I love them. My next phone will probably have an S4 for LTE.

To call either the S4 or Tegra 3 chips failures is really just pushing the fanboy envelope.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gooser91:
Demandarin you have got to take a serious chill pill bro. To go crazy insane over a chip is insane.

Arguing over a chip unfortunately makes you look foolish.

Settle down.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
true. very well put. its hard to talk about anything tegra3 or Nvidia without someone coming in and saying how its a failure or how much better some chip due out at the end of the year would be..lol

this thread is for nvidia/tegra news, which does relate to Asus and Prime in one way or another. No reason for arguments or difference of opinion to get heated, like Diamondback said. If people don't like Prime, Nvidia, or Tegra3, then it'd be best they just keep it moving..lol Because as soon as i find out more info, details, benchmarks, & reviews on new Tegra3+(T3+) & Tegra4, this thread will update with it. As i plan on keeping my prime at least until those Newer Nvidia chips release.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I'm cool..who is arguing? I'm the one who contacted Diamondback anyways, in case you don't know. this is my thread for Nvidia/Tegra3 news. No one asked all these other people to come in and basically bash the thread talking about how its a failure or this or that. so I'd say more so they look foolish.

plus honestly, its not that serious buddy. facts are facts. just because some don't like that Tegra3 is the leading Android tablet chip doesn't mean they need to get all heated up over it. case in point.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gunner1937:
It's about time you intervene........clamly:rolleyes:. Were you sleeping or what?:)

Or were you thinking that a S4 with a Tegra3 GPU would be a drink (sorry, a dream)

comes true?:D.

I will be polite: I will not say what I feel about the attitude of some.

And, yes, you are right, let's keep it informative, on-topic, and propaganda-less;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BarryH_GEG:
Let's all circle back on May 11, we'll have something more concrete to discuss.

Q1 2013 NVIDIA Corporation Earnings Conference Call

Friday, May 11, 2012 8:00 a.m. ET
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] buxtahuda:
I suppose I'll pop in with my unresearched uneducated garbage :D

I think it's easy to agree that Teg3 in phones is certainly shaping up badly and isn't going to take off. As mentioned, we'll see what happens with the Teg3+; certainly it would do better if they did reduce it to 32. But it still isn't going to pull as much weight as whatever Apple/Samsung are using in the phone market and also as mentioned, that is going to be the largest revenue and sales numbers for SoC's. Teg3 IMO is indeed king of the tablet market, for both power and battery consumption (disregarding the reader-tablets), the only thing really holding it back is the decision to couple it with terribly slow internal flash memory and not include the use of better RAM. Why they're putting the good RAM in the more discount tablet I'll never know.

Anything at all you buy is going to be obsolete in sixth months regardless, Teg3 took it a bit further, but I'm pretty hopeful for the next couple of generations of the Tegra line of SoC's.

For the time being this is still just fine, and not really rivaled by anything aside from other iterations from the same manufacturer. The Yoga from Lenovo I suppose, but it just seems silly to me and Lenovo lost my trust long ago. Decent company and usually decent products to a degree though, but it just feels like when I buy Lenovo, I buy more often than what is needed elsewhere (meaning replacing internal components or calling it a good enough time to upgrade). Of course I'm only referring to those tablets which will feature full keyboards, as though it's enough of the market.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gooser91:
Good, lets remain calm.

Also, In my previous posts you continue to say that the 5250 isn't coming out soon. Also I believe you said it was a quad core, and I wanted to correct you. The 5250 is a 2Ghz DUAL core with A15.

Also, I will give information that you wanted.

http://www.gsmarena.com/exynos_5250...tion_in_q2_tablets_get_it_first-news-3728.php

This link shows that the 5250 is in mass production and will be released to tablets shortly.

Not to rub salt into the wound but,

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
i love how the debates get heated and then you come with this. you got me laughing. Marketing 101 at its best ;)

on another note, since you basically said previously that you don't like your One X, I'll gladly take it off your hands for you. ill even give you my moto atrix in return. :D