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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cryptiq:
Just playing devil's advocate here....if this dock really did work for both the GSM/LTE versions, what benefit would it be for Samsung to say that it doesn't work with the LTE version?

You can buy the dock directly from Samsung, so if they claimed LTE compatability, that would enable them to sell more units. But that's not the case, Sammy is saying they're not compatible. Since Samsung manufactures the dock, I'm going to take their word over a 3rd party reseller who just wants to sell more units. Hope I'm wrong, but let's be logical here.

Also FWIW, the part # from fommy "ECS-K1F8BEGSTA" shows on Samsung's site http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ECS-K1F8BEGSTA as the POS Vz Dock without the 3-pin functionality. I think fommy is supplying bad info.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SaulBack:
Agreed. I'm skeptical but hopeful. How reputable is Fommy? If the dock is not a 3-pin dock, they are straight up lying. The price is also questionable. It is the same price as Samsung's VZW crap dock. Not looking good.

I may have gotten a little too excited too quickly. But I still am hopeful.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Accord281:
Since the phone is curved and setting one on top of the other might throw off the measurements, here is what I recommend:

Take a corner square (or a reasonable facsimile) and set it on the table and put the phone face down in the corner (ensuring the phone is perpendicular to the bottom). Then measure from the edge of the square to the center of the first pin. Do the same with the other phone. If they are the same then awesome!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgwaste:
please stop posting that damn fommy link!!

Thats the POS one. it always has been, it always will be.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
It's pretty late and I'm about to stare at the back of my eye lids but I did a very quick and and crude measurement with my caliper and got roughly 147mm from an imaginary square bottom corner to the first gold contact on both the lte and GSM nexus. I'll do it again much more carefully and hopefully with pics in the morning before either of us leave for work. I'll put it this way, my first impression is that they're in same place but they are a small target so don't go throwing down money based solely on my initial and admittedly crude first measurement.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Accord281:
Awesome! That is good news so far. Just to clarify, is this what you measured?

If so, I think you mean 47 mm :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
Yes, that's what I measured. Guess I'm a bit out of it. I'll try to do some more detailed measurements plus pics before the wife and I part ways for work tomorrow morning.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
OK, wife went to work a little early so I scrambled to take these pics. It was still dark and the lighting was pretty bad. That along with the fact that I had to use a Nexus S to take the pics resulted in some bad photos. Keep in mind their are shadows b/c of the lighting and I didn't have time to perfectly snap pictures from 90 degree angles (need a second pair of hands to do this properly I think). So all those caveats aside, here are the pics.. Also, I have one of those skins on the GSM version, I doubt it makes it much thicker, but just thought I'd mention it.

From top to first pogo pin (mm). Shadows/camera angle make these look different, they look equivalent in person (GSM bottom, LTE top... both with extended battery)

From top to last pogo pin (mm). Same situation as the previous image.

Thickness of LTE version at the center pogo pin. I didn't take a GSM measurement b/c I put tiny scratch in the screen of this one with the caliper.. hopefully wife doesn't notice. (This is with extended battery)

Side by side.. extended battery. GSM looks glossy b/c it has a skin on it like I mentioned earlier.

volume side. extended battery on both. LTE top, GSM bottom.

pogo pin side. same arrangement as previous image (LTE top, GSM bottom)

Batteries (from left to right: LTE extended, GSM extended, LTE standard, GSM standard)

Batteries again. TOP Left: LTE extended, BOTTOM Left: LTE Standard, TOP Right: GSM Extended, BOTTOM Right: GSM standard.

Comparison with standard battery installed. TOP: GSM, BOTTOM: LTE

Backplates & batteries. From left to right: LTE extended, LTE standard, GSM extended, GSM standard. GSM backplates are glossy b/c of the skin.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] halo0:
Wow, great pics, thanks!

Which skin are you using and does it make the phone any easier to hold onto? By that I mean does it make it less slippery?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
Bestskinsever. Yes, it adds a bit of grip which was my only goal really. Didn't want the added bulk of a case. If you go that route follow their advice about applying the skin dry to the textured battery cover or else it will look bad.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cryptiq:
First of all, BIG THANKS to ellesshoo for coming through and taking the time to do this.

Second of all, <sarcasm>please withhold your applause for my incredible photoshop skills </sarcasm>

As much as I was hopeful that the GSM car dock would be compatible with the LTE phone, I was very skeptical - as evident by some of my previous posts. I looked thru ellesshoo's pics and still wasn't convinced. The phones didn't look lined up or square to me in the pics so I was again skeptical. But as he stated, a lot of it had to do with camera angles.

What I decided to do was take the 9th photo (2nd from the bottom) and hack it up in gimp (poor man's photoshop). I cut the top phone out of the pic and pasted it on top of the bottom one. I made the top layer transparent so you could see thru it and check the alignment of everything. I also had to slightly rotate the top phone to get the proper alignment. My results indicate everything lines up. If anyone else has better photoshop skills, please give it a go and share your evaluation. Thanks!

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So....the million dollar question for ellesshoo....are you planning on ordering this dock to give us the low down :D ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gasaraki-:
Umm, you do know that if you have the OEM case and the OEM dock, the dock actually have a second layer you can take out so the phone will fit.

That why I like Motorola stuff. When I got the DX the dock was ready. It was a good dock and they thought about the people with cases. The new Motorola docks are even better. No more pluging in the audio jack just like the Galaxy Nexus but they did it without the 3 seashell system. Everything goes through the usb port and the port is part of the dock.

Now i'm stuff with the Nexus waiting for they magical dock that hopefully will fit my phone. :mad:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
I do indeed plan to order one whenever they become available. I used the N1 car dock all the time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gasaraki-:
If that's the POS one, why is it delayed??!? The POS one is out, every store has it. So obviously this one is different than the Verizon one. :cool:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cryptiq:
Maybe because they don't know their a$$es from a hole in the ground? It could very well be that they're waiting for the GSM dock....but their website is listing all the info for the lackluster Vz dock that's currently available. So no, they don't get my vote of confidence until they get their ish together.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] FastEddie87:
Will there ever be

Will there ever be a real car dock we can buy ? the Bull **** Verizon car Mount Sucked I retured it same day, Why would they release a phone knowing we all want a real Dock and not have any for USA. I see the sites that will have soon but does any one know if we can you them!:cool:

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I just spoke with them. Here is there reply

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

Is this a real Car Dock or like the one Verizon sells that is just a car mount holder? I just don't want to buy what i just retured Thank you

This is from Fommy

I just order mine

Call accepted by operator Agent 2. Currently in room: Agent 2, Eduardo Cuenca Jr..

Agent 2:

Hello, are you referring to the vehicle mount for the Galaxy Nexus?

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

yes

Agent 2:

Yes the mount which we have comes with the 3-pin connector, and allows you to charge your phone through the actual mount

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

What is the USA cost and can i order it today

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

and it will work with my Verizon Phone

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

And once all is pluged in i don't have to keep removing the charger Right

Agent 2:

The item is $46.95. It is compatible with both the GSM & LTE versions, and it is currently on backorder from the manufacturer until 1/23

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

Great then I will place the order

Agent 2:

Alright, let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns

Eduardo Cuenca Jr.:

Thank you and have a great day

Agent 2:

You're welcome, have a wonderful day as well

This is From Fommy

I just Order Mine ;o)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cryptiq:
I think the first question I would be asking fommy is if they're listing the correct part #. If they say yes, you can end the discussion there, because we know 100% the part # on fommy's website today is NOT the 3-pin version.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chesterharry:
Fommy 3 Pin Car Dock with LTE Samsung Galaxy Nexus

I had ordered the sought after 3 Pin Car Dock from Fommy, because the pictures matched the correct version (the GSM one). The ship date was supposed to be Dec 23rd. When January had rolled around with no word from Fommy.com I went back to the site and tried to find when it was due to ship (Jan 23rd was the revised date). The first person I chatted with confirmed that the dock would work with the LTE using the 3 pins, but the picture had changed to the VZW one that had cut outs for the charger and audio. I kept my order open with high hopes.

It wasn't sitting right the answer I was given, as it didn't match the product code or the image so I went back again to the site trying to find a final answer for the peoples. The agent I spoke with this time, gave different information and said the pins worked but that it had a cut out and I had to attach the USB cable each use. This made no sense. I asked when the image was changed, and was told the image never changed. Following this I asked if she was getting this question a lot, to which she said no one had asked about this before. Sadly I cancelled my order, as much as I wanted to believe, I have serious doubts about it correctly using the 3 pins, and not needing the USB power to be connected through the cut out each time it is docked.

And so it goes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] OSully:
Don't hold your breath. I had the thing on order since mid December and fommy canceled it because they weren't getting it in stock. Recommended I get a generic mount.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bmckenna:
I believe this may have been mentioned already in this thread, but just in case it wasn't...if you're coming from a DX, you can easily mod the DX car dock to fit the Galaxy Nexus.

community.verizonwireless.com/message/770101#770101

Did this last night. Took me all of 3 minutes. Again, no 3 pin functionality, no charging functionality...but at least you're not shelling out $50 to VZW for their dock which basically does the same thing as the modded DX dock minus the USB port.

I'm currently working on modding the DX multimedia dock to be a portrait-mode dock for the GNex. I opened it up last night and pulled out the HDMI as that connector was very much in the way...just need to dremel the one side and possibly the back a bit and should be good to go. It won't be the prettiest dock on the planet, but...it's free, and I can't really complain about that :).
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sblantipodi:
this is strange, I have a GSM UK and it is not glossy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 1Speed:
I am not sure if Amazon UK will ship to the US but here it is.....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Veh...5S2E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1326479152&sr=8-2

Says it wont ship for a couple of months though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BlackDino:
There is a skin on that cover
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
You'd almost need a universal Car Dock with a deep depth, then a few interchangeable backplates IN THE DOCK ITSELF which would allow for custom thicknesses. The interchangeable pieces are 2 circles with tabs that can be placed and mounted into place by spinning. The Universal Car Dock Kit would come with handful of paired pieces that have (2) 2mm, (2) 2.5mm, (2) 3mm, etc. Then you could just pick which pieces fit your phone the best.

Like this: Interchangeable thickness pieces to make sure it's the currect depth:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mike.s:
Whoosh......
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sblantipodi:
what do you mean???
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mikey:
He is referring too the comment went over your head ;)

Do you have a skin on yours too make it glossy?? If your answer is no......that's where the Whoosh, comes into play ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] joemamahey:
The GSM car dock comes with a car charger. Anyone ask Fommy is the unit they have comes with a car charger? This might help prove/disprove true 3-pin functionality.

Personally I am skeptical the Fommy unit hast 3-pin functionality. Mainly this is because of the price point. It is priced comperably to the VZW mount < GSM mount.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
I have a skin on the back plates.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bike2deth:
Fommy misinformation

There still seems to be some confusion around the Fommy.com mount. This was a conversation I just had with them.

Galaxy Nexus:

Regarding Samsung (OEM) Vehicle Navigation Mount, SKU 93056, is it true that the mount will charge the Verizon Galaxy Nexus through the mount?

Call accepted by operator Agent 1. Currently in room: Galaxy Nexus, Agent 1.

Agent 1:

No it will not

Galaxy Nexus:

There is a lot of confusion regarding your website and this mount. The description should be updated on your page.

Agent 1 is now off-line and may not reply. Currently in room: Galaxy Nexus.

Agent 1 is now on-line. Currently in room: Galaxy Nexus, Agent 1.

Agent 1:

We only upload the information we receive directly from the manufacturer

Galaxy Nexus:

But you guys know that it will not "Charge handset when docked with vehicle power charger."

Agent 1 is now off-line and may not reply. Currently in room: Galaxy Nexus.

Agent 1 is now on-line. Currently in room: Galaxy Nexus, Agent 1.

Galaxy Nexus:

this should be corrected by you, the seller, otherwise could be construed as false advertisement.

Galaxy Nexus:

Thanks for the information.

Agent 1:

you're welcome
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AndrewM56:
I just got this email from Fommy:

"Hello, yes the mount which we have online comes with the 3-pin connector, as well as a Micro USB and 3.5mm plug for charging and audio output. Thanks"

They seem to have there stories confused down there.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sblantipodi:
is this available or preorder?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AndrewM56:
This was a response I got with this link in my ticket. Says they are shipping next monday.

http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page...g+GALAXY+Nexus&cat=Vehicle+Mounts&skuno=93056
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
Good luck with that. It looks like the LTE-version dock to me...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bike2deth:
It sounds like they are very confused...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cebosound:
can't believe its this difficult for us to get a decent car dock for our Galaxy Nexus's.

This might be the correct one, but not 100% ...

http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page...e+GALAXY+Nexus&cat=Vehicle+Mounts&skuno=93056
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Rookie_One:
For those wondering, i checked with Bell canada, and the mount they have is like the Verizon one, without the pogo pins (only difference is that its made for the GSM version instead of the CDMA version)

For the fommy one, the thing that make it confusing is the fact taht the base look fat, like the GSM version, but we can't see the pogo pin, so cannot be sure that its not the verizon version....anyway i preordered mine and if its not the good one, i'll make sure to get a refund
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krohnjw:
FYI I just got an update from Clove:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgwaste:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/1...e-table-for-u-s-release-now-really-uncertain/

this is the first and will definitely be the last Samsung device I buy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
I with you on that. How can you launch a Google flagship device an still not have accessories for it two months after?

Despite everyone's complaints, I loved the way the Nexus One was sold: on line on Google's webpage, including ALL accessories at the same time. Shipped with tracking, and received in 3-5 business days. Well done Google & HTC.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phazen18:
Though I'm equally as annoyed about the situation, you guys are deluding yourselves if you think most phones have a full range of accessories at launch. 2 of my last 3 HTC's didn't have car docks at launch, and the only one that did (evo 3d) was made by a third party.

Sadly this has become the norm. Phones are coming out so fast that its tough for even 3rd party chinese mfrs to keep up. Seriously, someone point me to a 3rd party card dock that has the pogo pin functionality. Can't find one? Yeah, go ahead and stop buying phones based on this. I'll continue to use a great phone without the dock, and exercise that thing no one has anymore called patience.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
:) I don't think anyone said "most phones", nor "a full range" of accessories. I was (wrongly) expecting that, like the Nexus One, Google's showcase device would have the car dock and desktop dock available either at launch or shortly thereafter.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nmercuro:
Is this confirmed dead then? The european (GSM) dock won't work with our verizon phones? I can't believe how tough it is to get ahold of accessories for this phone. As an iphone convert, the concept of just not being able to buy something like an extended battery for 1+ months after it's sold out is pretty crazy... Loving the phone, just sucks that it's so tough to get accessories for it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Mikey:
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2012/01/17/samsung-galaxy-nexus-official-accessoriesdelayed/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordo_99:
I'm right there with you that iPhone has all their accessories available on day one...however, that's the result of having only 1 phone being put out a year. In comparison, Samsung put out 53 smartphones in 2011. (not including the other tablets, dumbphones and media players) Yes, some of those are the same general phone but with tweaked hardware/software to work on difference carriers...There's a lot of devices they need to make docks/etc for.

...I'm not going to defend Samsung any further than that. I think that's WAY too many devices for a company to be releasing/supporting and I think they should be handling it differently...I would much rather see them lower prices slightly (due to less manufacturing/R&D costs) and offer 12 unique phones a year (a $50/$150/$300 phone each quarter) and maybe 2 tablets/media players.

I still think it's ridiculous that the most anticipated phone release of the year was handled so poorly. Teh problem with the docks we're not getting is that they use the new 3-pin tech and 3rd party companies don't have access to it yet.

Also, it should probably be noted that I bought an external battery for my LTE phone the day after it was released...I'm assuming that you have the GSM version or else you wouldn't be saying this? Also there's a 3800mA battery out there as well from Seidio (though that ones not "official").
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aagvain:
+1 agreed!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krohnjw:
To be fair the Official car dock wasn't available for the Nexus One until 3 months after it was released (April 7th).

The Official car dock for the Nexus S wasn't available until 6 Months after the release.

Google doesn't have a history of launching the Nexus devices with *any* accessories ready to go with them.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
"New 3-pin tech" that "3rd party companies don't have access to it yet"? Come on man. There is nothing new about +VDC and GND. No audio or data is transmitted over the contacts. Pogo pins have been around about as long as breadboards. There is no technological hurdle for even a mediocre DIYer to overcome.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] rtadams89:
Has anyone tried/considered taking the standard Verizon dock, cutting a hole in it, and mounting a pogopin set from digikey in that hole? Seems like something that could be made easily for someone who doesn't mind dropping the modey for the dock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ellesshoo:
If the 3-pin dock falls through and is never released I plan to mod an existing car dock, probably the vzw one, and put some pogo pins in for charging and probably slap an nfc sticker on the inside of the dock for turning on/connecting to my car's Bluetooth. I'd prefer even to pay through the nose for a OEM 3pin dock as my own DIY projects take forever and are always over budget.

If we do see the 3pin dock, as much as some may cringe at the thought at this point in time, I'm going to look into the possibility of hacking it up to mount in/on the air vents
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Karunamon:
I just got this back from Fommy, looks like it's the right one!

Looks like that explains the mysteries :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] tgwaste:
youre right but the flagship ones do. i bought a tbolt and walked out with every accessory i wanted/needed.

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again.. for the 6 billionth time. ill believe it when i see it. fommy has been riding the fence since day 1. different people are giving different answers. when someone has it in hand and shows us pictures i will be the first to order from fommy. im not holding my breath though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] davidmoore:
http://www.fommy.com/view-full-page...Nexus+SCH-I515&cat=Vehicle+Mounts&skuno=93056

Is there another one other than this, because this is just the Verizon ****.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] najaboy:
Bear in mind that they've been giving contradictory answers since day one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hobbitjack:
Excuse my ignorance, but what what does 3 pin offer over just a usb connected dock?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] efrant:
Standard car dock: Place your device into the dock, and plug in the USB connector.

Pogo car dock: Place you device in the dock. Pogo pins will supply power. Not need to connect the USB cable.

Moreover, if it is like the Nexus One dock:

- it should recognize that you are in the car dock and launch the appropriate car home app;

- there is a Bluetooth module embedded in the dock that will allow your device to stream music to the dock.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jordo_99:
I realize that the tech has been around...it however, hasn't been around for smartphones (to my knowledge) or ICS...I was intending to point out that without getting a per-release of the phone their ability to develop a working dock for launch day is nearly impossible. That's obviously not going to happen as Samsung/Google want to sell their own "official" docks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] The Gingerbread Man:
I'd love to own one of these, the most beautiful sat nav holder if ever seen, just the cost, how can amazon / Google/ Samsung justify £50. I would pay anything up to £20 for official one which is essitially just plastic.

I ordered an official case for my nexus at £12.99 or so which isn't too bad but £50 for a dock is just silly, if it wasn't so expecive they would sell more units and make more money that on the few rich guy who can throw that money at one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BBruin66:
NVM delete.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gambit727:
Hoping for a Seidio dock, the one they made for the EVO 4G was great. Slide in, slide out, snapped into the micro usb to hold it in place and provide charging. Rotated between portrait and landscape, held firm, and automatically put it in dock mode.

The Samsung dock looks like it would take some effort to place and remove the phone.