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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kai-t:
Hi,

back from holiday ;-)

yes i am still using sebastians rom.

I am using Runnymede AIO V3.0.5.

This old version because i had no time to update. If i find a little time i will update to the newest!

The solution i have done to stabilize my desire still works for me. No freezes of the OS.

I had some rare crashes with reboot, but this seems to be normal when memory is empty or you use a bad app.

I haven't lost any SMS or Phone calls since i have done my fix ;-)

I will post images as soon as i have a camera to take a photo of the SD and SIM Card slot.

Regards

Kai
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Welcome back!

Sebastiaan made a test version based on v4.0 because that version reduced the freezing issues. Since that version, the freezing problem has been reduced, but not solved.

I'm on 5.0 now and it started freezing again after a few days, which is still much longer than before.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
Hi guys - good to see i'm not the only one with a poorly frozen Desire..! I've been posting one of two of my findings on Seb's main ROM page, thought would get opinions here too.

I too have random freezes on my phone, mainly from incoming calls, and also when trying to access various bits of my phone from it being in sleep.

There is one common factor i've noticed with all the freezes - they only ever occur at my place of work - which i've noticed seems to be an area of poor signal. I've tried running on latest radio, and now have flashed back to last radio version of 05.17.05.08.

Also i'm in the process of trying different hboot versions. I back up the ROM & flash the new boot. No good with Cm7r2 or data++, trying sense hboot now (with bigger 40mb cache) - don't know weather this will make any difference.

Just to note i've tried several different SD cards (different sizes, brands & classes too) and pretty much ruled them out.

Will post my findings over next few days...!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alex-V:
I'm back to my hybrid rom...max battery + performence + undervolt with 875 mV ..no problems to report...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bradden1:
Interesting thread. I have recenty rooted myself to Mildwild 2.7.2 have been dissaointed with the number of freezes. It seems to happed mainly at boot or after inactivity. I thought it might be due to my updating the radio to the latest version but I've been told this is unlikely. I was advised to use a script to move the dalvik cache back to the internal memory although I haven't tried this.

I've been playing with my phone today and if I leave it in airplane mode it seems fine.. this made me think it was the radio but I don't seem to be alone.

Where I work is a really poor signal area so maybe this is related from what nkh667 said.

I'll keep you updated.

---------- Post added at 04:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:23 PM ----------

Interesting thread.. just wondered how easy it is to swap SD cards?

Thanks
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souldrinker:
Yes, the radio signal seems to be involved. My phone is rock stable and work for days without freezes except in the laundry in the basement and a specific store, both with low to none 3g reception which causes the phone to freeze three times out of four...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
Hi again guys, couple of interesting comments here again, definitely seems related to our areas of low signal, and whatever in the setup of our phones is being affected by this.

I can pretty much rule out the hboot idea, I've tried stock, sense, cm7r2 & data+ +, all have frozen, so have gone back to cm7r2 as recommended by seb's rom.

Next thing to try for me... SD card. I've prepared another sd with a backup of the rom on it, so if it freezes tomorrow I'll swap cards and retry.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Hmm, I'm also going to bet on the low signal story... At my parent's home and at a local bar I can remember there was very low signal (in fact, no 3G at all) and I had a few freezes on both locations.

What about messing with the preferred network settings?

RCTweaks>Phone Information>Phone Information (or without RCTweaks dial *#*#4636#*#*)

Scroll down and you can select the preferred network setting there. I think it's on "WCDMA preferred". This means it will always search for 3G connection, even if the signal is too low. I always change it to "GSM Auto" which turn things around: only 3G if the signal is strong enough. This should also save battery. Maybe some (other) setting can help the phone with the low signal issue... :confused:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bradden1:
Last night I changed SD cards and flashed Teppics Gingerbread ROM. So far the phone is stable.

I'll leave it a couple of days and then try my nandorid of mildwild on a new SD card.

I'll keep you updated.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
I've done this to my settings last night, first time ever this morning at work that my phone didn't freeze. Will monitor and let you all know.

Best Regards, Nick.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
So far no noticeable loss of speed. Will report findings tomorrow when I'm back at work.!

Best Regards, Nick.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Thanks for sharing your story. I feel we're getting closer to a solution this way.

I think that GSM auto setting is always better. It should switch to GPRS when the 3G signal is too low to have a real speed advantage. But I'm affraid I also had freezes with that setting on, because I change it almost every time I set up a new ROM.

"Unfortunately" Seb's latest roms seem to have reduced the problem a bit. Good for stability, not good to test things out.

BTW, last time I flashed a new rom (Runnymede AIO 5.0.2) I got the "can't mount sdcard" message again on first boot. I was scared as hell because I didn't backup my sd card. But when I removed and reinserted the card (a few times) it worked again. I'm still anxious about this bad contact. It might also be something to consider in our equation.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nuno_oliveira:
Hi guys,

I just came back from week-end at my parents home where the reception is very bad and as usual I had lots of freezes, but this time I don't even turn on the data connection. I used to think the problem was when there's no 3G and the phone connects through GPRS, but it seems that even when the data connection is OFF and the reception is low, the phone freezes.

I also downgraded the radio back to 5.17.05.08 from 5.17.05.23 and it seems that didn't lost any SMS or Call since then.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tarun Chaudhary:
I bought a new sd card.. samsung 16gb class 6 .. I partitioned it using 4EXT recovery but it was giving me problems with seb's rom and Alex's bliss droid pvteam mod as well.. I tried gparted .. it didn't help too..

Seb's rom works for a while but later it started giving me freezing problems and Alex's bliss droid pvteam mod rom stucked even at the first boot..

Then i exchanged the card with the dealer for sandisk 16gb class 4... its giving me the same problems.. I can't seem to properly partition it i guess..

and weird part is that there is no such issue with my old 8gb sandisk class 2 card... both ROMs run smoothly on that one... I just can't figure out what's wrong..

Please help... I feel like I wasted my savings on a new sd card for nothing...

My hboot is cm7r2...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I've got exactly the same problem: sandisk class2 8GB: no problems but too slow, samsung class6 16GB: freezes.

I warned about this card in the other thread, but, as you can see in the Runnymede thread, there are a few users with the same samsung card who don't have problems. Which makes it even more confusing.

As for the partitioning, I think you can't do anything wrong with 4EXT. 1-1.5 GB as EXT4 and no swap and you should be ok. I'm going to try a repartition with 1.5GB ext4 partition. And a fresh install.

I got a freeze this morning on an incoming call. And the "GSM auto (PRL)" setting is still on.

:confused:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bradden1:
Few days running Teppics ROM.. and the phone hasn't locked up at all. I suspect it was an issue with the SC card. I'll try one of MildWilds ROMs later this week and let you know if it's stable on a new SD card.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
Freezes several times today guys, and that's on data+ + or Cm7r2, with network settings to gsm auto also.

I'm wondering if there is anything in the classes of the SD cards, I will try my old class 2 again, which agreed was slow, but may cure the freezing.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souldrinker:
Ok, then I guess that's no use in trying another hboot or gsm auto :-(

While I was about to update to Runnymede 5.0.3 I noticed in 4ext that my fat32 was misaligned. Can't say that I really know what that means, but I've also seen it mentioned a couple of times by Prof Peach over at the Runnymede thread that ext4's > 1.5GB might cause freezes.

So I took the time yesterday to backup my fat32 + nandroid. Wipe the whole card including fat32 and repartitioned it in 4ext with 1536MB ext4 instead of the 2GB I had before (I did have 2GB also on the non-freezing kingston class 4, but not sure about the alignment on that one) and restored the fat32 content + nandroid.

Will see what happens the next time I'm in a low reception area.

Edit: No, was just out shopping in one of my two "dead zones". When I was done shopping (using Our Groceries) I turned off the phone and went to pay and when I got home the phone was frozen with the screen on. Maybe I had accidently touched the power button. So aligning fat32/shrinking ext4 didn't help :-(
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tarun Chaudhary:
Have you tried any ROM other than Seb's runnymede ? Maybe, they would work fine..
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I used RCmix S by robocik for a very long time, but when he stopped developping I switched to something new. Back then, Sense 3 was almost stable enough for a daily ROM. And I needed a new SD card (the Samsung class6).

The problem started with Coolexe's Cool3D ROM I think v3 or v4 (or with the new SD card). And that's also the only other ROM I used for a longer time. When I used his dalvik2sd script, I had freezes. Without the script, I didn't...

I did try CM7 AOSP once, but not long enough to test the freezing problem. I really needed the sense features.

Then I jumped on the Runnymede Sense 3.5 bandwagon. Can't remember when exactly, probably when Seb managed to fix one important feature to make the rom "daily".

So I can't really say it's only Runnymede which causes the problems. But, atm, I can live with an occasional freeze on a perfect ROM.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
Another angle to try today for me, I've reinstalled seb's rom to the latest version of 5.0.4, complete clean wipe, but this time using only the generic A2SD on install, so only apk files go to sd ext instead of data too. Not sure it'll make any difference but maybe the system won't be so heavily reliant of the sd card and possible avoid freeze.

By the way I tried one of the ICS roms quickly last night too, which of I could find alternatives to HTC Sense widgets I'd swap to permanently, it looked stunning and super fast.!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souldrinker:
I was on a2sd with both LeeDroid and Runnymede 2.5/3.0 until I s-offed and switched to cm7r2 hboot and ad2sdx and I was still getting freezes in low reception areas, so I'm afraid it won't help. At least it didn't for me :(
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
To test which part (ROM, sd card, or radio) was causing my freezes I would change one variable whilst keeping the other two the same.

The roms I tried were the official HTC gingerbread ROM and Oxygen, the radios were the latest and recommended WWE ones, and the sd cards were the original 4GB and a 16GB SanDisk class 4.

No matter which combination of ROM, radio, and sd card I used the phone would randomly freeze.

With NO sd card inserted the phone remains stable - tested for 1 week with the phone being charged but never turned off.

Also, both sd cards were partitioned as one single fat 32 drive - no ext, swap, etc.

The strangest thing I have found is that when in recovery I can always access the sd card, but when booted the card will either not be recognised (as if not inserted) or will disappear after a random time (as if it's been removed).

Edit: Additional thoughts

When certain conditions change apps are designed to 'autostart' (search for app of the same name on the market for more info). The app which I found autostarted the most frequently was 'google maps'. I think when you move to a different area and you change from 3g to 2g, or even just changing from one transmission cell to another, one of your apps tries to autostart. If your sd card has lost contact with the phone then the app will cause the phone to freeze if it's being run from the sd card (as it can no longer be found). If your using any kind of ext partition then your apps are on the sd card (I think!) This would explain some of the phone freezes being described.

Also, I don't think Android is designed to allow hot-swaping of the sd card so as our phones lose contact with the sd cards (without being properly unmounted) the file systems become corrupt, which is why a reformat seems to help for a while.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bw7and:
guys I have figured out the problem of freezes on the phone.

It has nothing to do with UV/OC....although if proper values are set,the ROM becomes more stable and fast.but still u will experience 2-3 FC's in a day.

this used to happen everytime I was multi-tasking otherwise desire used to run smooth.

solution: I switched to a sense 2.1+3.0 ROM

all 3.5 roms out their leave very little free RAM (around 110-120 max)(when idle)

which drop to around 50mb when multitasking

I saw freezing issues of some sense 2.1+3.0 ROMS or sense 2.0 ROMS which only

left below 100-120 mb free RAM when idle

the same multitasking runs smoothly on ROMS which have (160-180mb or more free)

eg: stock roms,MIUI,CM7,insertcoin..

so problem with desire is that it can run all 3.5 features...3d..everything...but when multi-tasking...kernel isnt able to handle.

3.5 was never made to run on desire....

P.S....My results are after testing new updated 3.5 ROMS always with clean wipe and new install of apps...updated apps...also on new SD-cards (properly partitioned and alligned),tested with all Radios,kernels,HBOOTs out their
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
This could be an explanation why the ROM is always stable during the first days after installation.

But... I've also had freezes on CoolSense 3D ROM, which isn't a sense 3.5 rom. And some people said to have freezes on AOSP roms like Mildwild.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bw7and:
how much free RAM u have on idle???

lot of sense 2.0+3.0 roms also freeze but they have less free RAM which becomes even lesser when multi-tasking

those having freezes on AOSP??...well they might have issues with card or bad partitioning or improper kernel( 95% AOSP and stock ROM users dont have freeze issues) but I am quite sure 95% of ppl using sense 3.5 ROMS have freeze issues
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
About 75-100 mb. The superuser minfree in RCtweaks can be set to something more aggressive too.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspertje19:
I have simalar problems:

Every rom I install will freeze on first boot. All where 2.3.x roms. It only happens when my SIM card is in and the phone wants to make an data connection. I did not try Cyanmod...

When I take out the sim, install the rom with wifi it works as normal. I have tried different hboots, different radios: all the same.

Got to try it with official ruu with froyo, just started it up this morning and it seemed all right, but I had to work and needed a stable phone, so I didn't try any more.

Will report back this week what happens with froyo
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Just had another freeze, 2 days after the complete wipe (with complete format and repartition). Again on an incoming call and again right after I disconnected the charger. This can't be coincidence.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
I don't think it is coincidence-both of those events will cause apps to autostart, and if you're phone can't read your sd card (and if that is where at least one of the apps trying to load is kept) then it will freeze.

The only way I can think of to test this idea is run your phone without an sd card and see if the freezes persist.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I'm trying the app Autostarts now. Many events, but I can't find the event for incoming calls. But a lot of other events open strange apps. For example incoming sms starts the game "uno"... Go figure...?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
Using the autostarts app, if you group by event and look under 'call state changed' you'll find the apps starting with an incoming call.

If you group by apps have a look at maps - no wonder our batteries don't last, it's constantly being started!

ps since buying the app and tweaking when apps like maps start I have noticed considerable battery savings
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Can't find anything regarding calls. Only outgoing calls. Maybe it's an unknown event. I also grouped by application and looked under maps.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snorrip3:
I had a similar problem with my phone on some ROMs but switched to mildwild which fixed it immediately.. something to do with the CPU governors not being locked in OV or UV

helpful thread, thanks!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
Too bad i'm kinda used to Sense, especially 3.5. I know there are alternatives for everything, but I'm too lazy too search for them.

I installed Mildwild once to try, but I couldn't access my sd card. Maybe because it was still partitioned for Runnymede, Idk. It looked ok, but I get lost in those AOSP roms.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bradden1:
Having run for a few days on a stable Teppics ROM I switched last night to the latest mild wild.. so far a few F/C's but no freezes.

I am starting to think my earlier stability issues were due to a dodgy SD card.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspertje19:
After switching to another SD card, all my problems are gone. Roms install without a freeze. Currently my rom is running a full day without any problems. When I try again with my (faulty ) sd card, my rom will freeze as soon as the data connection from my sim kicks in.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
Hi again guys, after all the tests I've carried out, including everyone's ideas, I'm fairly confident I've found a solution to the freezing problem...... A totally different ROM, as one or two of you have found too.

I'm running dk_zero_cool's ICS (BCM) ROM, and I've had no freezes for 3 days now. It's taken a bit of getting used to, as no sense UI, but I've found some downloadable apps to give me the sense feel widgets (friendstream replacement etc...)

I'm not blaming seb's or anyone else's ROM by the way, I think purely the sense 3.* roms are just too heavy going for the phone hardware when it has to deal with signal changes too. Certainly might not be a fix for everyone either.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ronok:
I also thought about other ROMs, but I don't find the courage to start from scratch when leaving sense behind. Also, the freezing is limited to 2 or 3 times a week now.

I agree that sense 3.5 is quite heavy and the only solution is a "good" SD card. Too bad you can't define good in numbers. Some have luck with class 2, others have freezes with class 6...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
I'm almost certain it's to do with the sd card. The fact I could always access it from recovery but not the ROM was bugging me.

Two days ago there was a posting on the oxygen forum discussing access to the sd card and the OP mentioned that he had a fault with the cards file system/partitions which even gparted had not picked up. (he found this out after installing a new recovery - 4ext touch - well worth a look)

I downloaded the following, free partitioning manager for windows http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html and did the following:

- boot phone into recovery

- connected to PC using USB cable

- turned on USB mass storage option from phone recovery

- using the partition manager software I deleted all partitions, wiped the whole card (filled it with 1's), then created new fat32 partition (32Kb allocation size).

The wiping the card with '1's' was probably unnecessary and took over an hour.

So far my phone is working perfectly and I'll continue to update.

My theory now is that when the phone crashes it can cause the sd card file system to become corrupt and some roms can deal with this corruption better than others (and that gparted maybe isn't as great as I'd thought!)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Souldrinker:
Let's hope that works for you, but I still think it's the card itself. I saw in 4ext touch that my fat32 was misaligned. Wiped the whole thing and repartitioned it with smaller ext4/larger fat32 perfectly aligned. But still get occasional freezes in low reception areas.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspertje19:
I'm almost thinking it is the size of the SD card or the CLASS:

I have 4 cards, with 2 of them I have problems:

4 GB SanDisk CLASS 2 - no probs

8 GB SanDisk CLASS 4 - probs

8 GB Kingston CLASS 4 - probs

16 GB Transcend CLASS 6 - no probs

The probs are: freezing, hanging roms, FC's

Tried everything, from repartitionering the Cards, till formatting in the pc.

Nothing helps.

Installing roms is a pain in the ass, because it's just not stable.

On the other hand, on the 4 and 16 GB cards, I have no problems at all.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
I did try reformatting my cards too, via 4ext touch instead of through gparted, but to no avail. Still only cure has been moving to this ICS rom, which I'm finding more stable and faster too...had to hunt around for sense widget replacements though..!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] iain2510:
Bang goes my theory! Just been out and phone froze (no screen, button lights on).

I was in a pub with poor reception so maybe it is that - all I know is that I'm throughly pissed off!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspertje19:
Well, With 1 rom I have issues on 2 out of my 4 SD cards(see post above).

So I can't really say one ROM is handling the SD card better than another
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nikh667:
I just think it seemed to be the very heavy intensive sense 3.* roms, every one seemed to cause the freeze, and now don't have any.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspertje19:
I'm using Ginger sense, wich is a 2.1 sense version. If I install the rom on the 4 sd cards I just mentioned, on 2 I have issues with fc and freeze, just right after the phone boots with the installed rom. With the other 2 cards everything is just fine. So 1 rom with 4 sd cards: 2 cards fail, 2 cards succeed. And I installed the rom several times on each card, and every single time it's the same errors happening on the same card at the same moment.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bradden1:
I've run a few days now on mildwild with stable results using dalvik2sd. I tried data2sd and it was fcing continually so I gave up and it's been fine.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lawrenceh:
I've also had issues with larger/faster SD cards on custom Gingerbread ROMs:

PNY 8GB Class 4

Sandisk 16GB Class 6

The Sandisk is more reliable in my LG GT540 but still sometimes unmounts for no reason... Could just be a bad card.

Most Desire ROMs seem to have too many hacks these days and I wish people would focus on reliability and battery life. I've switched to stock HTC Gingerbread with the standard 4GB SD card and performance/space are actually fine for my needs. I love MIUI but I just can't get it to work reliably on my Desire with a big SD card.