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[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Not entirely true...While he did get the GN, and likely is more concerned with it (who wouldnt be?), he didnt abandon CM9 for it. CM is still working on the HA among many other things. It isnt an easy thing to do. With all due respect to them, they are amateurs (sensation devs anyways) trying to take on something that manufacturers pay big bucks for. This means that they have to first learn how ICS works before they can figure out how to make it work with the sensation.

HTC has PAID pros doing this.

CM has alot of (talented) hobbyists.

Matt
[HTC Sensation] AZ2ENVY:
I completely agree ! He showboats that he is running an awesome build of ICS

on his Sensation as well but shows noone else any love :mad: Keep in mind this

is my opinion from what I see .
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
How would you feel to get zero credit for your work? Its no lie...They do it for some prestige. Anything wrong with that?

Matt
[HTC Sensation] deadite66:
but they would get credit where it matters, i think most people know who the real coders are.
[HTC Sensation] cpittman:
Wow... Anyone ever consider the fact that squashing bugs also creates new bugs? Its much easier to fix something YOU break than figure out what someone else broke. Also you only see a shiny cool video with ics running smoothly. You have no idea what kind of errors are being thrown in the background. Unless you have the knowledge to understand why aosp roms/source are handled the way they are, its probably best to stfu about the subject in order to avoid sounding ignorant.

Forgive me for participating in this nonsense but its my good faith effort to clear up these inaccurate assumptions people are making.
[HTC Sensation] xdviper:
Well, there was an leaked ICS build with touchwiz leaked for the SGS2 today, so I'm hoping someone from HTC will leak an ICS Sense build for the Sensation as well, or when it's close.

C'mon, I can't wait for that announcement to ICS from HTC.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
It only looks awsome. I dont care about looks, I care about performance. Otherwise, whats the point? We have the wallpapers, fonts, and themes. Why do we need "ICS" instead of ICS?

No one has the camera working, and they are all still toying with HA and graphics. Its new stuff, as is the hardware found in our phones.

Im coming to the realization that ICS might best be left to HTC to provide as they have paid, full time people working on it. Who needs a ROM with no camera and nothing new (aside from looks) just so they can feel special?

Here is how things would likely go down if CM9 were dropped today, in its current state....

"Let me first start by thanking you 1e12 times for bestowing this gift on us Kmobs...But could you please put away your shiny new (and awsome) GN to fix our broken camera, GPS, bluetooth, HA, graphics....ect ect. Also, I cannot do xyz."

Then, after the happy phase wore off, everyone would resort to non stop *****ing and complaining. Remember when CM7 hit? 200 pages of crap about bluetooth not working for Euro sensations.

Id prefer a near complete release rather than a skin. +1 to CM for holding out.

Matt
[HTC Sensation] AZ2ENVY:
Well since you decided to attack me explain why Kmobs had RC0 on his Senny ?

If it wasnt that functional it wouldnt be in RC state . Simple as that . He said

he would release an Alpha but yet never has , And is running an RC candidate ....
[HTC Sensation] broncogr:
Thread cleaned from links and so on for the last time...

Poster Warned...

Cheers
[HTC Sensation] Sleef:
I know it's extra work but deleting the offending posts while keeping the thread open is much appreciated. There's definitely ICS talk to be had.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Who knows why he has RC0 listed? All I know is that he has stated that:

1) EGL issues exist and are being worked on

2)The camera wouldnt be working until some time after the first release

My best guess is that as they dug, they found more issues than they had realized. HA and native dual core support likely is tricky. Remember, they aren't paid professionals, so they lack the experience that paid pros have.

Kmobs stated that he strives to keep his releases high quality and after the TRIP fiasco, I HIGHLY doubt Kmobs plans to release anything that isnt NEARLY complete. If anything, Id blame TRIP for the delay.

Ive had to take computer programming in college for EE classes and can tell you that (aside from them sucking) as you fix one thing, you often break another. Not knowing EXACTLY what you are doing can be a REAL pain. Let Kmobs and crew learn ICS and do it right. Have faith and assume the best in them.

Matt
[HTC Sensation] Zarot:
RT @LeeDrOiD RT @tinky1313 @htc @htc_eu @htcdev @baadnwz @LeeDrOiD @showp1984 time for ics with sense leak methinks -- showp1984 (@showp1984)

From showp1984 twitter. Lets hope its for the sensation.
[HTC Sensation] broncogr:
That is exactly what I plan on doing...

As long as things remain civil and we are not called "nazis" again....
[HTC Sensation] Hawke84:
Thx man, I'm enjoying this thread, some good discuswion.

U mods put up.with a lot of guff (hope that's not classed as swearing)
[HTC Sensation] leftheodo:
I've had the sensation for six months now ( i got it at release date in my country ) and it's like reliving the " bootloader unlock story " all over again! People were complaining about developers not unlocking the bootloader INSTANTLY ( !!! ) , frevo ( perm root ) was released but still people were complaining about the delay of the unlock and mods were trying to fix this mess! I've never seen this kind of behaviour in any other forum i've been in xda ( HD2 and Desire Hd forums were more civilized )! Give the devs a break people! They don't HAVE to give you anything! If they do we have to be greatful ( and i'm sure they won't disappoint us. They never do )! It takes time to port a new OS to a phone if you only have the source code for another phone ( Galaxy Nexus )! Also give the mods a break! There are rules that we have to follow and the mods make sure that we do! Eventualy ICS will come and i hope things will get better in here! Cheers!
[HTC Sensation] ryohazuki:
The source for the platform for ics has been released through code aurora
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Lol, that was suggestion to HTC, not an announcement.
[HTC Sensation] mils69:
Well here's my problem.. when (Nov. 21) Koush released 'CM9' for the Nexus S it was all kinds of broken. There were numerous things that didn't work but it went out anyway... certainly was not in the shape that Kmobs claims he has the Sensation ROM in (granted the Nexus S had HA working but lots of other things were broken) but Nexus S users were over the moon. Through (now 13) iterations things got fixed.. but it was still out there for people to test/use.

Koush had also posted pics of ICS running on his Nexus S and then almost immediately released the ROM (had been beaten to the punch by kwiboo but that's neither here nor there).

So I ask you, where's the consistency?
[HTC Sensation] AZ2ENVY:
So HA is now working on the Sensation ! I has a few glitches still but Its Working
[HTC Sensation] Ali_Shaikh:
Theres only one rom out right now and HW isn't working on it yet. Which one are you using? PM if unsafe

EDIT: Its true! Its working sweet Jesus
[HTC Sensation] Zehlek:
It's too bad
[HTC Sensation] Ducter:
With your screen shot and signature you appear to be thumbing your nose to the moderators here.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with many of you concerning kmobs, and his not releasing the ROM. I mean look at CM7 ffs, browser FC's and all, yet that was released and NEVER bothered to be fixed... wheres the same drive for perfection? Kmobs posted sometime ago that he is running ICS as his daily driver and it wont be as long as we think for a release. Don't know how long he thought I thought but it's been longer lol. With that said, even still if the ROM is fully working it will be worth the wait.
[HTC Sensation] GeknGekn:
In the past Rom flashers have anounsed ROM dev donation threads to improve development for their phones. I'm just saying It's hardwork porting when you only get a tap on the shoulder.
[HTC Sensation] Ali_Shaikh:
HE has a nexus now so he is using ics on that as daily
[HTC Sensation] alphawolf36:
Actually if had checked his google+ feeds recently, you would have seen that everything had been put on the back burner for finals. Which as a college student myself i completely understand. Nobody here will pay his bills if he messes up in school because he was working on so ROM port for a phone. And he already stated that he is keeping the sensation along with other ppl working on it as well.
[HTC Sensation] scm_crash:
Google Nexus... Seems to have just put a stop to Kmob's ICS Sensation development.

I'm hoping that the Asus Transformer Prime keeps my mind off ICS development for Sensation for a little while... Now to just buy a Prime.
[HTC Sensation] Ducter:
Keyan Mobli 12/1 · Desktop · Public The ICS information on Sensation and Evo3D update you've been waiting for - It's closer than you think

So I'm now using ICS as my daily driver on my Sensation. Like I said before I just have a few things to fix (with help (and by help I mean I kang from him) from +richard ross (That's Toastcfh)) before releasing a public alpha. Oh btw, have I mentioned that the Evo3d and Sensation are at the exact same place as far as development goesj? Toastcfh is just more modest than I am.

The list: BT (easy fix, just have to disable an option in kernel) GPS (Probably going to be easy, haven't really looked into it yet) GetSwapBuffers bug (The last remaining egl issue. Will probably be kernel side and come fully from toastcfh)

What will probably be broken in alpha: Camera - sorry the fix for this will come after release OMX stuff - This and the camera issue almost go hand in hand, so they will probably be fixed simultaneously. If you have an Evo3d, the 3d stuff will probably be broken too.

And uh.. that's it? I'm probably missing something, but that'll show up when you guys all start yelling at me when I release an alpha.

Note: the picture is with the statusbar pulled down in order to show the date.

link
[HTC Sensation] unfnknblvbl:
Because RC0 is another name for alpha or beta - you'll notice that most 'nightly' builds from CM (prior to an official RC) are listed as RC0
[HTC Sensation] zerozoneice:
this whole ICS chatter gets on my nerves...i'm actually less excited to have a functional build than i was one or 2 months ago...

maybe because Christmas is getting closer and people should get a f4cking life at least for couple of days?
[HTC Sensation] falcon eyez:
I'm bored .. I think I'm going to wait for an official build :mad:
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
I tried out the ICS ROM. Its glitchy, but certainly shows that ICS is going to make the Sensation a REAL powerhouse of a phone!

Its much snappier and the things I like most (web browsing) rock!

I am restoring back to CM7 while I wait. I need a camera and cannot have a random freeze when at work. Still though, that dude showed us to hold off on coveting the GN phone and give the Sensation a chance. I am no longer scheming for a way to get the GN.

And I believe that HA wasnt even being implemented in the ROM yet...Wait for that to touch down! Im actually surprised that Kmobs would opt for a $500.00 purchase seeing how well the Sensation does with ICS! I would have saved that money for something else, like the ASUS transformer Prime (with ICS).

Matt
[HTC Sensation] gbzbar:
One thing that people need to realize regarding the kanging of features and entire roms, is that many users out there have NO IDEA that kanging is happening, even sometimes when it's clearly pointed out to them.

Anyone remember that whole AOSP (The "dev", not the Project) incident? The guy took CM7, repackaged it with a shiny new name, and everyone thought it was his, and he took credit for making it. Even after I, and others (including Kmobs and Cyanogen), pointed out that this was wrong, people still defended him blindly and stupidly.

Same thing is happening now still...

I'll bet that nobody realizes that in "He-who-shall-not-be-named"s ICS rom, which is out right now, there are a lot of features, taken from CM9 code, with ABSOLUTELY no mention of where they came from. He even goes so far as to call himself a "one man army" when making his roms, even though he is taking credit for other people's work.

Don't believe me?

Look at some features such as...

Screenshot from power menu

Extended reboot options in Power menu

The ENTIRE Launcher preferences menu and ALL features in this menu

The dialer rotation option (even though he didn't kang it right, and it doesn't work)

The Torch app

... all of these are directly from CM9 source, are present in the guy's rom, and there is no mention of thanking anyone or using code from anywhere. Look for the commits for CM9, you'll find them all there. Who wants to bet that in the next version of the rom, you'll see new commits from CM9, such as merging folders, fade/show page indicator, and others.

So having said all that, devs are people too, and all people like to be appreciated for their work (and receive donations). If Kmobs releases something before it's completely ready, then all he will get is people complaining, with barely any lasting appreciation. In the meantime, every other "dev" out there will take his work, build on it, and call it their own (and take donations for this stolen work). Nobody needs that.
[HTC Sensation] Freshly_Snipes:
I'll start this by saying, correct me if I am wrong.

CM9 code has NOT been made public. So your long post about Trip kanging sounded uneducated. I do understand your point but the rest you're clearly misinformed on my friend.

So even though I'm not an advocate for Trip by any means.. I think he is uber-em, yet he REALLY is not kanging sh*t bruh.

His builds are buggy but atleast the little dude is trying. However im a MIUI guy FTW
[HTC Sensation] gbzbar:
I will gladly correct you if you're wrong...

YOU'RE WRONG.

The CM9 commits that he has been kanging ARE public already.

The code has been posted and merged into the CM9 source for anyone to view.

What is not public is specific code for the sensation, and other devices that is being kept private until ready.

But many commits have already been merged for CM9 and are public.

So it seems that YOU are uneducated and misinformed. Try researching before you post next time.

He is kanging, and if you took five minutes to go to r.cyanogenmod.com, you would find the code for many features that trip has implemented in his rom.

That's kanging.

I'm really not going to get drawn into this again, because this discussion is not the purpose of this thread, its not the purpose of my original post, and you're just blindly defending him without actually knowing any of the facts, just proving the statements in my original post to be correct.
[HTC Sensation] Wanderer_Zero:
Very good point, let's just remember to keep this discussion on topic since broncogr has been very nice to us ;)

Apologies if I misspelled your user name ^^"

*****
[HTC Sensation] :
Does any of it seriously matter? Until someone on XDA takes up ICS development, there is no discussion. Just mindless bickering.
[HTC Sensation] mrg02d:
Uhh...There IS a ROM out, its just not XDA work. Just because someone else made it, doesnt mean it isnt ICS. We can discuss this ROM's features until the mods decide that they want that to end as well. Keep in mind, this is the general forum.

Matt
[HTC Sensation] Sleef:
Agreed.

I enjoy modding my phone and it's not as though many of my friends enjoy doing the same. Meaning, I come here to read up on what other people think and to discuss the things I can't do with most of the people I know.

People get too wound up about the general section. Let's have fun and try to stay off each other's backs.

On topic: This took me a minute to figure out but, without the on screen buttons, long pressing home brings up the running apps menu.

Also, with the new firmware update and running a half complete ICS, battery life has gotten pretty darn good. Can't wait for a fully functional one. CM9 is definitely going to be the ROM to beat, eventually. Though, I'm glad there will be a more vanilla ICS ROM to go to.
[HTC Sensation] nawoa:
Is this due to firmware and ICS or due to parts of the hardware being disabled since they're still not usable?

Regarding KMobs' supposedly slow progress that people were discussing, he's said that there are parts of the code that are outside his jurisdiction within CM that still need to be worked on. EGL is what he mentioned, but I'm not sure what exactly that is... probably related to hardware acceleration would be my guess. Also regarding the CM7 port for Sensation being rather unmaintained since the 10th alpha, it's a no-brainer: he started working on ICS instead. Who would really give a crap about a CM Gingerbread release at this point? He's also in school and it's exam time. He doesn't have the luxury of another project to steal progress from, and besides which, even if he was COMPLETELY DONE the port, he would still be waiting for all the other CM projects to be release-ready. That's the way they do things, everything gets simultaneous updates.
[HTC Sensation] unfnknblvbl:
true, but I'd appreciate an update to CM7 because a10 is broken in several fundamental ways that a quick patch would solve. If he'd release the source, other people could fix it.
[HTC Sensation] Sleef:
I honestly couldn't say. I do know that the firmware update was supposed to fix the power button but it certainly hasn't. lending credence to the theories that it's a hardware problem.

Also, went to the newest build and couldn't update maps, uninstalled it, then tried to dl from market. No go. Now I can't restore it, either. Not asking for a fix, just making y'all aware that this could happen to you.
[HTC Sensation] DeFiant*X:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/16/...ndwich-comes-to-gsm-umts-nexus-s-sta/?m=false

Didn't see any discussion on this yet. Hope it helps with kmobs and the sensation build!
[HTC Sensation] scm_crash:
Nice but it's still a port if he used anything from that.

To get the most stable foundation, HTC really needs to release the source for Android 4 Sensation when they have it. That way the drivers and kernel are already stable to work with.

I'm not a device dev, but I'm sure it's a lot of hit-n-miss trying to tweak things to work right.
[HTC Sensation] la7lou7a:
Hi guys

1st post

I don't know if this is going to be of any help for devs, but Bell (Canada) is going to offer the sensation update for ICS during 02/2012.

mobilesyrup.com/2011/12/14/android-os-4-0-estimated-release-dates-for-the-bell-sensation-galaxy-sii-raider-and-optimus-lte/
[HTC Sensation] Tatdude806:
This has already been around, and it is ESTIMATED. Thanks for trying to get some info out there, but be sure to search before posting, and be sure to be accurate in your posting! :)
[HTC Sensation] :
Buddy, I said Until someone on XDA takes up ICS development. I know all about Trip's rom (OH DARN I SAID HIS NAME, ****). But since no one on XDA is working on ICS and we're not allowed to discuss Trip's rom here, there is no discussion.
[HTC Sensation] wifesabitch:
We aren't allowed to discuss anything not created on XDA? haha, really? Guess we better blow up the Accessories section then.

You are being ridiculous. If you don't want to discuss ICS, just move on to another thread and let other discuss it because it interests them.
[HTC Sensation] the_scotsman:
Guys, there's more crap being talked about in here about what is allowed to be talked about, than there is about ICS....

There is no problem with discussing other ICS ROMs not available on xda, as long as no links are posted.
[HTC Sensation] wadill:
I respect you so much scotsman you are great. But this thread will probly get closed too. Myself, you and others have continually told people in this thread and the other closed threads what is acceptable and what isn't. They just don't listen to reason. The next post after mine will likely be either a flame or a link. Its unfortunate we as a community can't simply understand how awesome xda is if we can just follow xda rules.

P.S. I've tried the Rom and feel great having an ics Rom available but I had to go back to a stable one. Too many small issues like no accurate sd card size making apps say "no space available" after its installed and just won't run.. I mean I play emross war, it doesn't need anymore space. And I had like a gig left internally
[HTC Sensation] djice000:
I'm a bit concerned as an xe user because as far as I know ICS is aosp and none of our brilliant devs have managed to get Beats functioning within an aosp rom. And beats is kind of the xe's attraction point. The only way I can see beats within ICS is by adding sense UI over ICS which will spoil the whole point. I may be wrong, but can someone shed some light?
[HTC Sensation] ryohazuki:
I don't think the Devs care to implement HTC's crappy gimmick into their AOSP roms. You'd probably get better results using DSP manager with the headphones than the "beats profile"
[HTC Sensation] Hawke84:
I care...
[HTC Sensation] kgpp2293:
This may sound dumb but why no links?? If his stuff is working why not advertise it alittle. I have not seen it personally cause I cbf searching and aall links are gone :)
[HTC Sensation] deadite66:
if kmobs released his rom would be we even be talking about trips?
[HTC Sensation] vincepg13:
+1 for the music I listen to and the headphones I use beats sound better then any profile on any phone I've used, so to me (and a lot of people) its not a gimmick and I personally can't recreate it using software. So +1 to a hopeful port to ics...guess we will have to wait for HTC on that front

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] vincepg13:
Nope as much support as trip has been gaining we all know kmobs Rom will be better and more stable. Both great devs but km is working with a team and he's a perfectionist, trips is cool to try out for now but I know my daily driver would be kmobs if I decide to use ics. People might flame me for saying that but secretly there thinking the exact same

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] geoffcorey:
Because trip is banned from xda, and no, don't ask why. It's between him, the mods, and the few users who know why.

Because it truely is a gimmick. It's a ****ty equalizer profile that relies SPECIFICALLY on sense and the ****ty sense music app. There'sno way to use it on other apps, so why would a dev "port" something like that?

The equalizer is the aosp dsp manager is WAY more powerful, will be able to be adjusted to user preference, and is SYSTEM WIDE.

So why would a dev port something so mediocre and closed when something better already exists?

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G
[HTC Sensation] vincepg13:
Dsp doesn't give me anywhere near as much bass, and that's like the main thing for me, and I know there's a lot of people like that, so you can see why beats attracts me right? And uve guessed it I use beats headphones too.

MOD EDIT: WATCH THE LANGUAGE !!!!

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Whoa, lads, you are gonna cause this thread being shut down. At ease guys.
[HTC Sensation] djice000:
Let's put it this way, I'm gonna remain as calm as I can after reading what you just wrote. I paid for a phone with htc's "crappy gimmick" and if its not implemented into ICS I will be complaining, because they can't advertise it as having beats but not include it! So I think you'll find their are more people that care than not!! Maybe you ought to think about people who have PAID for something whether it be an app or a "crappy gimmick" before you run your mouth!!
[HTC Sensation] Dav3y001:
He's talking about the community developed ICS roms mate. Don't get you.nickers in a twist HTC will put beats in their official builds.
[HTC Sensation] xdiable:
You wont find beats audio in Google's AOSP source code so you wont find it in CM9 or Trip's roms. If you must have ICS and beats audio you'll have to wait for HTC sense version. Its that simple.