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[Nova Launcher] Justben13:
Hey everyone, was hoping some one knew if I can get double tap screen on, on my S7 Edge. I'm on the Premium Nova version. I've got double screen off working with Nova, Setting, Gestures & inputs.

Any help would be muchly appreciated.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Unfortunately you can't as that is something your device (not nova) controls.

Nova does not have the correct permission and system privileges to be able to do that.

Confirmation can be be found on your device.

Nova settings

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Press "FAQs"

Its always best to consult the FAQs before making posts to places like this, as 9 times out of ten, what you want to know is answered for you, just a friendly heads up :good:
[Nova Launcher] TheSaarth:
Can we have a hidden apps implementation similar to the one on Microsoft Launcher?

In MS launcher you swipe the dock up twice to reveal your hidden apps.

A similar gesture based feature on Nova to reveal hidden apps would be sweet.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
I'm afraid similar requests to this have been made many times in the past only for nova to throw them out saying they won't utilise anything that Microsoft does, let alone any other popular third party launcher.

Nova is tied pretty closely to Google and AOSP launcher 3 and do not even take time to explain why they will not even consider such user suggested features these days.

Sorry.

Edit.

This is only a user discussion thread and is not an official nova forum.

That means the nova developer himself or no one else including any representatives of nova launcher use this thread or even use XDA - so any requests or suggestions will not be seen by anyone from nova.

The best place to ask any questions, make suggestions or requests is Novas official G+ community, which due to their continued user hostility and lack of frank explainations to these things being constantly turned down I've decided not to use any longer - but that is only my own personal opinion which I respect others may or may not agree with.

Regards
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
I suggest users take a look at the latest lawn chair launcher.

It had a numbers of things users have been requesting in nova for a long time..

1. Pixel style Google feed

Ok, I understand that this is part of the Google app, but why is the Google feed a much older style / type in nova launcher?

Sometimes I see a newer style feed in nova, and other times it's a much older version.

If lawn chair has this newer style ALL THE time, why can't nova?

2. At a glance widget.

Nova refuses to add this....

Why?

Uses always prefer using a "native" widget rather than using a third party one.

Edit, the weather doesn't work yet in lawn chairs version.

3. Android P style dock

Something else nova refuses to add at this time.

4. Google search in app draw.

Nova continually tells anyone requesting this that they can't add it, but all these other launchers can!

Nova does not listen to its user base where lawn chair obviously has listened.

Once again, nova has fallen way behind its competitors.
[Nova Launcher] blankplains:
Since we're critiquing Nova here's a few things that bug the crap out of me that makes it almost seem dated:

Ugly, jagged fonts in the drawer. Why can't we fix the text resolution in Nova Launcher? Search bar and white-on-black app labels look atrocious.

Swipe to Open App Drawer isn't even proper for today's standards, you have to assign Swipe-Up gesture to drawer otherwise it's cut in half.

Swapping between icons are a joke, if I hand-picked specific icons and then choose another icon pack, it doesn't immediately swap the icons, I have to do that manually or reset both icons and labels.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
I see lots of people complaining and yet not one of them has made their own.

For all the talk a out being different it seems like everyone wants all launchers to be the same. With all the same features.

I'm glad nova hasn't added most of the requested features. They are stupid, useless and the only people that ask for them are the me to people.

I looked at the suggested lawnchair and I wouldn't put that on my enemy's device.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Fine, I respect that.

I've just read the features request on Nova's Google plus community.

Q. Please add the pixel style Google feed.

A. Please contact Google.

That's nothing to do with nova.

Q. Please add at a glance widget.

A. Nova can't add that as it doesn't have the correct APIs from Google for it to work.

Q. Please add Android P style dock.

A. Please read the pinned post, you must not request android P features.

Q. Please add the Google search bar in app draw

A. That's not something nova feels the need to add at this time.

Ok, so you don't like lawn chair.

I respect that.

I have used nova for over 5 years as a loyal paying customer but answer me why does nova lie to its users like this and tell them that their request is not technically possible or they simply won't add any such feature?

Yet along comes every other fresher and newer current launcher that adds those features without any hassle?

You also say all the features being asked are stupid, yet they are made hundreds of times throughout G+.

So you also think nova users are stupid.

That's great.

Thanks a bunch.

FYI I'm not a me to person, I'm a very loyal nova user that's very concerned about Nova's lack of recent developments.

I haven't posted everywhere demanding nova updates, I'm making a point that other launchers can add this stuff while nova tells everyone it's not technically possible, which is a lie!

The other launchers have had recent updates or new features added.

Nova has promised huge updates to folders and other things for close to a year now and I've seen nothing.

If you think that's being entitled, fine, think that, but that's the sort of answer I'm used to seeing from Nova's own obnoxious, rude and agressive G+ community staff, not in a much friendlier place like this.

Comments like yours are why I'm complaining.

Nova does not like a few home truths and throws it's rattle our of the pram when its users say something is better, just like you just have.

They ban people on G+ for asking for an update or questioning a development decision!

If I'm being told as a paying customer of nova to build my own launcher then I won't use nova any longer.

If that's what they really think about their users then they can stick their boring launcher as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to use now.

That's the real problem, complacency and conceitedness, and very rude support staff.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
Well to be honest this has never been a Nice place persay. The the only thing that has changed over the years are the users. (Well and managements handling of it.)

Nova has always prided itself on being its own launcher and not like all the others. They also dont add every feature just because. Sure a bunch of other launchers add them but if you are gonna use an app for a feature that they copied from another app, then you might as well use the other app anyway.

Many of the answers are old. And to be honest those features are not as wanted as many think. To be honest, all of those you listed I am happy that it doesnt have.

Comments like mine are very blunt. Yes. But that is the way of the world.

You have seen nothing? Hmm guess you missed the huge deal they made with an OEM. Also remember. Sure we paid for it but that was how much? How long ago? You dont want the plain business truth of that.

People are soo hung up on updates. The FOMO is so rampant in the mobile community that it really is killing individuality. That is Nova major claim. That they are not like other launchers.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Those points are very true and very well known, but

That's not the point I made..... but it's still a valid point none the less.

I know paying for nova prime doesn't entitle me to anything.

I'm not asking for anything.

I'm trying to make a point that nova themselves are saying they going to update folders, and various other stuff, and it hasn't happened.

I don't care if nova adds that stuff I listed and i dont want that stuff.

If nova explained they won't add new stuff because they simply don't want too, I would feel more comfortable about that decision.

If I was representing an app and a company like nova and Tesla coil, I wouldn't dare answer such questions with a comment like you made.

I would try my best to offer a reasonable explanation of those fears and try my best to keep that user as a nova user.

If long term users are walking away, surely nova should try to keep those once loyal and long term users?

I do really thank you for taking the time to address my concerns but lets be honest, all you did was confirmed my real fears - Nova doesn't give a stuff about their users and would rather tell a user to clear off and make their own launcher or be blunt and dismissive rather than give a reasonable explanation.

That makes such perfect business sence!

Why don't you contact Cliff Wade, Nova's customer support manager?

You will make a great G+ moderator answering users concerns the way you have.

Just confirm to them nova that has lost another once loyal and long term user who's sick of getting fobbed of with lies and dismissive answers to genuine concerns.

Regards.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
To me to be honest I couldn't care less what the app does. I have not even updated it in a couple of years as there is no really point. It does what it is supposed to do and all the new options are just thing for children to play with.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Thank you, and I don't really care what you think if I'm honest.

Whether you think those features lawn chair added are stupid

Or

whether you use the newer features of nova

(or not)

or

If you think people that request the newer features are really children is totally irrelevant.

Doesn't mean anything, I really don't care about that.

you called me out over a totally reasonable post saying lawn chair had added some new features that had been continuously requested on Nova's G+ community and nova said those things couldn't be added.

Why didn't they just say they won't?

Or they don't want to?

What is so difficult or bad about Cliff or Kevin Barry saying look, we've considered this this and this and do you know what?

It's not something we feel will be of benefit to us or our users..

I would respect an answer like that to those requests.

There is too much arrogance and too much BS with nova right now, and do I really want to carry on using a launcher if their development team/customer service manager and any other representative suggests if I'm not happy to clear off and use something else?

That's not the first time nova have said that to a user and I think one day they will say it to the wrong person and have a very big problem on their hands

People who spend 50p or £5 on nova Prime to support Kevin Barry and Nova's development won't tolerate being spoken to by arrogant thugs who think users who suggest nova is out dated are "stupid' or certain features are used by children.

Everyone always looks to nova as it's usually at the forefront of new features or designs, and it's not at the moment.

There are several much fresher, better, easier to use and nicer launchers than nova currently available, and that's a concern to me.

I don't want to use nova right now because I'm using the Official pixel launcher.

Everything works without the drama or b-s of nova.....

If I didn't know any better I would swear you are one on Nova's G+ representatives because you've used their words in your comments and dismissed my own concerns and replies just like they do.

So I look forward to seeing you deleting my post on G+ with the usual arrogance /sarcastic comments and BS when I post my concerns to Nova themselves.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
See here is the thing. They don't have to tell you anything. They are not obligated to say anything.

That is because the developer of nova and I come from the same type of developers. We both started right here along with many other of the app developers that don't reply to people and do their own thing.

Again you want nova to follow other launchers and this is not what nova is about.

See here is the thing. You can either use it or not. Either way it doesn't really matter and that is also something the dev and I share.

Leave the easier to use launchers for those that need easy. It's an app that serves a purpose. Nothing more.
[Nova Launcher] Thebear j koss:
I agree with you, devs owe users absolutely nothing. Even if you buy an app it doesn't entitle you to expect updates or features, or requests to be filled. You bought the app for what it already has in it, everything after is extra whipped cream on top. I do have to say Kevin is a **** and always has been, but it is his app and he can do whatever he wants with it.
[Nova Launcher] Exabyter:
Whereas I would say you of course don't owe anyone anything if you are doing something for yourself and just sharing the code for anyone who wants to use it.

But once you turn that into a business where you are making money off of people in exchange for a "product", then people have every right to be unhappy if the product quality is poor or uncompetitive. Especially if the vendor refuses to give refunds to dissatisfied customers.

And if the vendor continues to treat paying customers as some kind of burden, they should expect their revenue stream to eventually dwindle to nothing.
[Nova Launcher] Thebear j koss:
He already made his millions and will make millions more. I was on here when Kevin used to actually use this thread, he could care less what anyone wanted. I watched this thread get shut down and cleaned more than any other. And no the dev owes you nothing. If you buy a 2019 Ford Mustang Cobra today and tomorrow Ford comes out with the Mustang Super Cobra, does Ford owe you the Super upgrade? You pay for the app at the point you bought it, that is it. Unfortunately users now believe the 99¢ they pay for an app gives them a lifetime of support and upgrades. Many great devs have left because of user entitlement and nonsense, others just don't bother to listen anymore.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
Exactly. Many seem to think they are entitled to something. When you buy an app you get it as is with no promises of anything after that. But this is something the newer generation seems to have forgotten. They will learn that in the end, what they want means less then nothing to anyone other then themselves.

I know many great devs have left and many more are now only sharing their work with private groups. Hell there are 12 roms and apps that I know off that will not share their work here and it is by invite only. But that is what android has come to. A shame really as the roms are badass and the apps are no joke.

You are right. He is a **** but then again so are most devs as most developers are anti social to begin with lol. That is why they became developers lol.
[Nova Launcher] Exabyter:
Of course not, it's an invalid analogy. The car costs 12,000 times more than the app, and the majority of that price is comprised of per-unit material, production and logistics costs that don't exist with a mobile app.

Actually in most places in countries which have a developed economy, any business that sells products to buyers - at any price - have a variety of legal obligations to those buyers. If someone wants to make money selling something, they absolutely have obligations to buyers. (Which may or may not include support or refunds to customers who discover the product does not work as advertised.)

If software developers don't like that, they should stick with freeware or just ask for voluntary donations, rather than products which can only be obtained with a purchase.

Entitlement is a problem all over society, not just for mobile app purchasers. Android also has a much bigger problem with this than eg iOS, because the Android ecosystem that Google built has grown to a dominant position largely through being promoted as the low (out-of-pocket) cost alternative. Developers know this going in.

They are entitled to some things, see above. It depends on the jurisdiction they live in. Perhaps not "can I have feature X", but if an app corrupts the data on one's phone, for example, or does not work as advertised, developers may at the very least be required to refund the purchase price.

Actually software EULAs and miles of legally-questionable disclamers that are added to most software licenses and T's and C's these days are a very recent "innovation", and many of those terms don't hold up in court when challenged. The vendors know this. The primary function of that boilerplate is to scare off the less tenacious parties that got stuck with a junk product, which oftentimes has known bugs but is shipped anyway.

As software becomes more and more crucial to people's lives, I believe we will start to see even stronger legal obligations on vendors. We are seeing an example of this now in Europe, with the GDPR. (Which, as many suspected, is now having a global impact. Microsoft for example recently announced that these new data protection measures they have been forced to implement for European customers will now apply to ALL their customers, anywhere in the world.)
[Nova Launcher] maybeme2:
I agree with most of what has been said (and resaid) in this thread. But what imho would be more useful are suggestions for alternative launchers that would be "better" - and - what their advantages or disadvantages are compared to Nova.

There are many launchers out there so there has to be a reason why Nova is so popular.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
No your not and not the Terms of service are not a new thing. They have been around for decades.

Software will never be critical to life. To many things can make it useless.

Here is the bottom line. You are not entitled to anything. Not a single thing. The only thing you are entitled to is death.
[Nova Launcher] IronTechmonkey:
Ooooooh the old verbose monkey has so many thoughts on this discussion about developer obligations and user expectations (in which I somehow agree with some of what each person has said) but for now...
[Nova Launcher] room511:
I use Nova here and there. I don't have a launcher that I stick to 100%. Nova is great for what it is. It's obviously satisfied many people.

But just like any other business (yes, Nova is a business), in order to stay relevant you have to be all about your customers.

Don't give your customers what they are requesting then you take the chance of falling apart like other ones that have come and gone.

And if you're a ****... Well, that fall will come that much faster.
[Nova Launcher] Thebear j koss:
He has every right to be a ****, i was just stating fact. Hell, I'm a complete jerk off and I know it. All I know is Nova is his app and he can do whatever he wants with it. Personally I think this thread should be closed as any other thread abandoned by the dev gets shut down, but i also try to see xda's view on keeping it open for users to help each other. Remember when icon/launcher themes came with a cool launcher skin, 4 wallpaper choices, and 20 icons and you were happy as a 6 year old on Christmas morning? Lol. Try releasing an icon pack with less than 1000 icons and limited updates now for free and see how your reviews are in the play store. People complain even when you are giving it away for free.
[Nova Launcher] zelendel:
See that's the thing. My play store apps are private and I would never share with the public. Nor do I care about the reviews. Hell they are manipulated so can't be trusted anyway. Besides if it gets too bad. I'll just buy some installs and 5 star reviews for a couple of bucks lol
[Nova Launcher] blankplains:
Egos are like a hot air balloon, eventually it has to come down and cool off.

I enjoy Nova but don't enjoy participating in the beta G+ at all, it devolves into lots and lots of chaotic redundant posts, to where I have to individually search for every issue to see if it's been beaten to death. Maybe I'm just impatient and lazy, who cares.

Regardless, I bought Nova a long freaking time ago, if I had picked up on the attitude of the developer beforehand, I wouldn't have paid for it. Hard feelings for me are rather pointless since I still use Nova Prime going on 2+ years without any hassle. I don't like his current attitude, but I wouldn't fare much better as a community manager to be completely honest.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
I Thank you all for the valuable feedback, I appreciate you all taking the time to post in reply with your own opinions and experience.

I may have come across to you all as feeling entitled or demanding.

I had no intention of doing so.

I apologize for my outburst in reply to any accusations of that behaviour.

Following my posting my issues to Nova themselves, I find I've been removed or banned from their G+ community and my screenshot posts have been removed from their screenshot community.

A sad fact they have proved they cannot deal with being told a few home truths or are prepared to answer why they felt the need to remove a simple screenshot and remove my presence from their community.

It makes no diffence to me now, they have proved what we said here.

I've said to them what needed saying and I can now either happily continue using nova as and when I want to, or I can choose not to and leave it off my device.

Out of principal I know what I SHOULD do but as I've used nova for years and brought prime over three years ago I don't feel any better for uninstalling nova in a temper over a dismissive and rude reply from their support.

The app does work well most of the time.

It's still a very good launcher and nothing else does what I want it to do like nova does.

It's a shame Nova's support is let down by such a nasty band of A holes........

Anyway, I thank you all again for taking the time to reply, agree or disagree with my original concerns.

I really do appreciate your time and replies, good and bad :good:
[Nova Launcher] vv16x7:
Any new update coming to Nova?
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Nova themselves have said major updates are due but when that will happen is anyone's guess.

As usual Nova are asking us not to keep asking them when updates are coming and won't tell us what new stuff (apart from a folder update) is coming, which I suppose they are perfectly entitled to do.

I don't suggest asking that question on novas official G+ community.

They ban people for asking stuff like that :eek:
[Nova Launcher] Daniel2653:
I'm still using Nova Launcher
[Nova Launcher] wonsky21:
From what I've seen during my presence here on xda, this kind of statements basically means “there won't be any updates, GTFO". I've seen many promising projects ending like that. Personal issues, we are working on new features, bla bla bla...

I hope I'm wrong, because Nova is still the best launcher around, and I tried many of them.
[Nova Launcher] bubba1601:
Well let's hope that's not the case.

Novas own customer service manager (Cliff Wade) made a bold announcement on G+ well over a year ago that novas folders would be getting a huge update.

Nothing has been mentioned since.

He then made a post on G+ just over a month ago asking users NOT to request any features that were seen in the android P development previews.

There's been no word since about anything they are working on, or no details about the likely time frame of these newest features.

I can understand them not wanting to announce new features and then when it comes, it doesn't work or causes issues, so I can see their point there to be honest....

But

For Nova to go THIS long with out any major new features or announcement about anything is a bit worrying and disconcerting for users.

As I've said in previous comments, Nova should be open with its users just like other launchers, but if that's not the Nova way, there's not much we can do apart from wait or move to something else.

Totally agree with you BTW :good: