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[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mornioas:
Hey there,

I have a mytouch4g with cyanogenmod 7. The wifi isnt working, it just turns on, then it freezes and it closes again. I tried different roms and still it isnt working. On the stock rom it worked for just a few tries, then it stopped working and gives me an error message. The log says something about not being able to find the 'supplicant'.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SprigganMaster:
Which wifi router are you using?

Security (wep, wpa)?

Are you hiding your network name?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mornioas:
I'm not sure whether I understand your reply but I am not even able to scan for the networks. When I press wifi on, it turns on, freezes, turns off. When I try to turn on portable wifi hotspot it immediately says 'error'.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neidlinger:
are you running any custom Kernels?

Have you tried running any other radio files?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mornioas:
I assume it is a custom Kernel version. About the radio files, I read that it actually has nothing to do with the wifi so I havent tried to change that. What I would like to add is that somehow (perhaps it is normal) I am not able to use my mobile network internet and the mobile network calling at the same time. I noticed while in the car using the GPS and calling (handsfree ofcourse) the maps stop loading because there is suddenly no internet while I call.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nicgraner:
Try flashing a different kernel like a Darkside team one
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mornioas:
I used both darkside V4 and another one based on CM7 it seems. Both give no change.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SprigganMaster:
I was asking more details on your home wifi setup to be sure you don't have some kind of special config...

One of my archos (on froyo) was unable to connect to my network with wpa2 and the router set to channel 12 and +.

Are you able to use your wifi in a cafe or work/school?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mornioas:
No the wifi is unable to scan networks, unable to add networks, and unable to turn on.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ach1372:
i have same problem .. can u advice we?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
Well, first off you're correct about it being non radio related.

Do you format /system between rom flashes? That is where the modules for controlling wifi reside. Somehow i doubt that's it, though.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dave01978:
I have the same issue, was happening when unrooted as well, bought the phone used, so i have no clue.

I did try formatting system, and everything before flashing roms. any other ideas
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leonlati1:
Had the same problem. Its nothing with kernel, rom, radio,etc. I even restored my phone to stock and turned S-on. Wifi still didnt turn on at all or work. So I sent my phone in to htc for repair.

- if u hav warranty (call htc to check), then unroot it and send it to them for repair.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sparx639:
My Galaxy Player has the same issue, I managed to get it working better by going into the wifi config file and fixing the directory for the wifi module, I still get the error, but I can at least turn it on now and it stays on for a decent amount of time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] MisterEdF:
Is there a way to get ROM MANGER to default to the Internal "SD" card for backups? It always goes to my external card.

I know I can manually launch clockworkmod and select "internal SD" but I would rather do it from within the O/S so I can name the files.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
you can always rename the files however you like with any file editor to rename them

and you can move the zip files around to either Internal SD or External SD

personally i like them on the External SD better to safe space on my Internal SD
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] MisterEdF:
I do that but like the convenience of doing it from the O/S. I thought I preferred the external as well until yesterday. The reason I want to do that is because when I tried doing a restore from the external it kept crashing. Seems my 32GIG card is flaky (as these cards can be) and I couldn't restore. I know it's the card because it restored fine from the internal SD. The internal ram, not being a "card" is much more reliable and now I am too skittish to use the external MicroSd for backups.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
PM Koush or sent him an email for a feature request on his CWR ;)

to let user pick where the backup are kept :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jangst123:
I think I'm missing something!?

It looks like it's included already?

View attachment 814322
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] MisterEdF:
^^^^^^

Well I'll be a son of a b .......... I tried MENU everywhere except from the main screen! Dohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Thanks for making me look foolish, I deserved it! :p But I don't feel that bad since Allgamer didn't recall either, :D
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
not exactly, i was thinking more in the area of Letting you select a Folder you like.

i do know of the internal vs. external option

that's why i said i like it to be on the external by default a few messages above

ideally we should be able to pick a folder to keep all that stuff, i'll like to point it to a folder called "ROMs" for example in the root of /sdcard/

instead of the default

(titanium backup just recently added that feature, well more like they improved it)
[Acer Iconia A500] angus454:
Hi people! I've come off the virtous galaxy rom to try the latest effort by Thor ( which is really good, btw :) ) and man, do I miss the task manager that VG had. In a perfect world there would be one that worked in a similar fashion and was as easily accessable as the one in VG. Suggestions welcomed, I'm totally okay with spending some $$ on a good one if there's a paid one that is worthy. Thanks, much appreciated!
[Acer Iconia A500] kasim1:
I would also like to know, if any good task Manager out there.

Thanx!
[Acer Iconia A500] jon-.-:
What features did you like about the task manager? I never ran the rom so i dont know which one it had. But I personally use the one that comes with astro file manager. Its simple and meets my needs of monitoring apps, I dont kill apps very often.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
It's like paying a gardener, to pull your weeds, which only take 5 minutes to do yourself.

Learn android. Don't take the lazyass way to do what you should probably be learning yourself.

Unless you want less battery life.
[Acer Iconia A500] Sherwood315:
I use Mobo Task Killer and if in Astro there's a Task Killer there.
[Acer Iconia A500] :
Both of which defeats the purpose of running HC. As Moscow stated, if you want your tab to run slow, and worsen battery life, by all means use a task killer that is meant for Froyo, Gingerbread, etc. :rolleyes:
[Acer Iconia A500] jon-.-:
Thats why I only use it for monitoring ;). Dont know why I do, guess its just my geeky side wanting to know whats going on and seeing all the stats and crap lol.
[Acer Iconia A500] angus454:
Batavia? LOL! Okay so I could drive to your town in about 15 minutes from holley :) Anyhow, I know using task managers on android is not really a good idea, and yes, i know how to go in and force close things that remain running after I close them. the beauty of the VG rom was the simplicity of it, in two clicks it shut down apps and background processes that were unnecessary. This was an integrated part of the Samsung OEM rom, not an add on by the VG rom developer, so that suggests it's safe to use within the HC environment. I think ultimately my real goal is to maximize efficency and battery life by having apps close when I close them, you know?
[Acer Iconia A500] :
That's the point, if you're using something like advanced task killer, etc. You're not actually doing your battery life any good. HC is not gingerbread. I'll tell you what will do your battery good, and that's to root, and rip out all the extra CR@P that Acer has running in the background constantly, which is the very first thing I rip out of my ROMs before putting them out. Extends battery life, and increases speed ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] angus454:
Good advice! Next time I'm down at Alex's place and see you I'll buy your next beer :)
[Acer Iconia A500] :
lol I'm actually in Oakfield (I know you know where that is).

Tully's on Sundays once in awhile for a Bills game, not much of a drinker ;)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] risk0:
Looking for a Dr. Mario type game on Android.

I have one called Dr. Android that is no longer available in the Market but it's buggy. Tried Dr. Droid and not happy with it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
EDIT/UPDATE: File your complaint with the FCC over the bandwidth throttle;

http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm

Original Post:

Using AT&T and a new SGS2. I've had a grandfathered "unlimited" plan for 10 years @ $30/mo.

"Unlimited" by definition means 'without limitations, unrestricted'. I was getting over 700KB/sec download before the throttle, now I barely get 15KB/sec, it's effectively crippled my phone and certainly made GPS unusable. Calls to AT&T are pointless, they have a different definition of 'unlimited' and are telling me the throttle won't be lifted until my next billing cycle in January.

Two questions;

Does anyone else find this absurd? "Unlimited" is a very specific, non-ambiguous term.

And has anyone found a way around this?

Sent from my Galaxy II.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nyydynasty:
of course its absurd but there's no way around it
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
I'm not a lawyer but this seems like class-action material. It's false advertising, at the very least.

Sent from my Galaxy II.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AlecKyle:
Just wondering, how much did you use per minutes of internet before hey started throttling you?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rquinn19:
There's a thread in the Vivid forum discussing this. People are being throttled after as little as 1 GB. Can't figure out what their use of measure is. Calendar month? 1 GB is unacceptable. I said over there top 5% is likely a lot lower than people probably think considering tons of people on grandfathered unlimited plans probably use hardly any of their data. Smartphones are no longer for the power user. My dad as an Android phone and he might have his email setup, but I'm sure that's all the data he uses.

edit: They did find a way to change the APN to where you weren't throttled anymore though, not sure if that applies here as well.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] hyelton:
Not throttled yet. 10GB last month and about 3gb this month so far
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rquinn19:
That's the complaint there, can't figure out what's triggering the throttling.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
That works only for LTE phones. They hit the Throttle on the LTE data, they can switch APNs to use HSPA+ data at full HSPA+ speeds. So they go from 30+ Mbps on LTE to like 0.25 Mbps, then switch to HSPA+ and get 6-8 Mbps.

In my area I get 2-3, at best on HSPA+. I use 6-8 GB on a normal month, as high at 10.5 one month. I have never been throttled.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rquinn19:
I feel like I'm capped at 3 Mbps. No matter what it tops out at that. Kinda odd if I'm not capped.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
3G and Faug G data speeds vary greatly by market. I think LTE is fairly consistent market to market, and in those markets the HSPA+ data is generally 8-11 Mbps.

Some people complain when they are throttled down to 100KB/s, something that's a good day for me.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
To answer those that asked, and yes, I admit this might seem ridiculous, but I did ~10.6GB in 14 days. Prior to that, I averaged 10-20GB a month with no hassles. With the new phone, the $0.10 Google market sale and a lot of experiementing, it was higher than expected with the new speeds. Still, "unlimited" is unlimited.

The notice I got came in the form a text, informing me that I should check their data plans (again, I have unlimited, why would I care?) and then a second notice that came in hours later - sometime around 4-5am that read:

"ATT Free Msg: Your data use is approaching the top 5% of users. Avoid reduced data speeds, use Wi-Fi where available. Visit att.com/dataplans or call 866-344-7584"

That's it. The warning came but I was already throttled and the "smart" part of my phone is effectively useless.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Pmac25:
Read this story it explains how AT$T determines who should get throttled.

In a nut shell if you live in a area that has high data usage then the threshold is a lot higher then if you live in a area that has low data usage.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/AT-T-iPhone-data-throttle-4G-2G,news-13445.html
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mawells787:
Dude 25GB is excessive!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] flucks:
But the i777 doesn't have LTE.....right?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jaydeol:
Can't we sue at t for throttling since we never signed up for throttled plan.. It suppose to be unlimited and they are not throttling other data plans
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
It doesn't say anywhere in your agreement you are set to get certain speeds. It also says all over that att will do whatever they deem necessary if they feel your use can cause detrimental affects on other users.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
Made an update to my earlier post. My account on att.com reports that I did 10.6GB and was roughly half-way into my billing cycle.

Since their nerfbat hits entire neighborhoods (by design) it makes for some ridiculous scenarios. This **** was obviously derived by committee.

Question: Is it even possible to consume all of the data in your plan if you are restricted to 2G? No. It's not.

AT&T's plan caps can't even be consumed at 2G speeds, it would be fun to see a class-action against AT&T for failure to fulfill contract by deliberate act.

Scenario:

1) you use a bunch of data quickly to DL something in the beginning of the month.

2) AT&T flags you and demotes you to 2G for the remainder of the month.

3) At full 2G speed, you DL everything you can, but are only able to use up 2/3 of your paid data plan simply because it is not possible to use more than that with 2G in a month.

While you're stuck at 2G, your 3G-equipped neighbor is now in the top 5% and gets demoted to 2G, too.

Yes, I smell class-action.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
Tried once more to get a rep on the phone, it's pointless. This is a direct quote:

"Sir, I realize you have an unlimited plan but we've placed a limitation on it."

AT$T use a different dictionary to define 'unlimited'. Even if they wanted to, nobody can remove the throttle until the billing cylcle ends. Bastards.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] twiggums:
Technically you are unlimited, they're not completely shutting down your data. You can still transfer all day long, just at a slow pace.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CyberpunkDad:
Creative English at it's best. ATT: Oh we didn't mean unlimited we were saying "Hey, its uhh, limited. "
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Rockliveson123:
I just got my 5% of users text and Ive only used 2.2 Gbs. Awesome. What a lie
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
No kidding. Basically, if you live in an area with lots of retired people, you could get capped after 1GB. If you live in an area around UCLA, for example, it could be 20GB.

Mindless. AT$T must be stopped.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nh5:
Even with my tirades of RDP and VNC connections via my phone or via tethered VPN'd laptop. I still manage to stay below my two gigs. I spend my full time in classes or at home on wifi though so that helps me save. I have been getting up to 10.5 download on HSPA+ which I'm happy to see. What's odd is I get a faster connection to the chicago speakeasy test then the new york and I'm like 20 miles from NYC. Guess it's cause AT&T keeps us in their network to somewhere in the middle of the country?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ElectronicYank:
this same thing happened to me too :mad:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] runtohell121:
I'm guessing pretty much anyone who went over 2gb this month received the text..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] hkeyman:
Its "Unlimited" data...Not Unlimited Speeds. There is your "Legal loophole" that washes AT&T's hands from any legal responsibility to the user claims of throttling anyone at anytime they deem necessary...What I will be interested to see is how this "Bandwidth Police" scenario plays out once LTE goes fully live and you have more users getting 30-50Mbs speeds downloading, browsing, posting and whatever else goes on in the background of ones phone, using GBs of data in hours (not days) and what they intend to do about that?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mkosmo:
I'm at almost 4GB this month and haven't gotten a warning. That's crazy!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
I used 2+ g every monthon my unlimited and never been throttled
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] pmpntl:
So, there is absolutely no workaround for our SGS 2's (non-LTE) version?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
There does not appear to be, no. I was less than a week into my billing cycle and now have to wait until January.

The rep on the phone had the audacity to say:

"yes, this has happened to a lot of people because of the Google Market sale."

I nearly dropped the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Enzopreme:
+1 ^^

A class action lawsuit will do nothing.

1) Im sure they can afford and already have some pretty damn good lawyers

2) Whether technical/pathetic or not, we DO get unlimited data, just not at the speeds we'd like, and Nowhere does it say unlimited data @ "this" speed.

3) America;s corporations are basically founded and operate on ****ty "**** the end user" loopholes that although a judge would hate to say it, makes them "right"

Welcome to America, land of the free*

*- Subject to loopholes, unwritten laws, and sandpaper condom ass raping.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] loriolus:
Is it only AT&T that's doing this throttling or is Verizon doing it too?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] EPC7:
Count me as an unpopular opinion on this, but I think trottling can be legitimately applied... I'm just not comfortable if AT&T uses the top 5% metric even if data usage goes to low levels.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] parsa5:
Verizon throttles top 5 percent of data users on the 3G network only and they don't justify the 5 percent as using over 2gb. This is where att is being dishonest and unfair in my opinion. Ive yet to meet someone who has been throttled by Verizon and I work for a vzw retail store the last 2.5 years.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] EPC7:
I'll stand corrected if it's hitting people at 2GB of use, as I thought it was happening to people at 6-7GB. I see people posting in this thread at 2GB, so I ammend my statement to say that throttling at that point is dickholery.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
^^ That's a big part of the issue. AT&T/Verizon use an arbitrary benchmark to pinpoint the "top 5%". For some, that could mean a 2GB or even 1GB cieling before the throttle kicks in. At that point, you're nerfed to 2G speeds and it becomes impossible to use your 2GB plan that YOU'RE PAYING FOR.

For others, in a neighborhood down the street, for example - your ceiling could be 10GB or even 20GB. In my case, I hit 10.6GB before I got nerfed. The notice/warning came in roughly 12 hours later. By then, it was already too late. Screw AT$T for their BS policy.

"Unlimited" is "without limitations", I didn't spend good money of a 4G phone to get 2G speeds.

Spoke to a lawyer today, she says there's a case here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ElectronicYank:
while i agree with all of you saying its unfair and ridiculous that we are on the untethered plans but get throttled, id like to point a small, minor, positive thing in this situation.

at&t's current highest data plan is 2GB (not counting 4GB business), most of us would blast through this half way through the month and we would get charged so much money for going over, but with unlimited you dont get charged :cool: so while it sucks they are butt ****ing us with the definition of unlimited, at least we dont have to give them more of our money for going over

but either way this is a shady practice from the death star
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Enzopreme:
Okay, Im an attorney. Not a civil attorney but a criminal defense attorney. That being said, I may not know much about the civil end of the law, but I do know enough to confidently say there is absolutely no case here. If possible I would really like if you could PM me the attorneys info that you consulted with because as I said in my previous post, although they say the data plan is "unlimited" they never say that the speeds at which the data is acquired is unlimited. Last night I broke out my contract and did some research, and it seems to me there is absolutely no case here, not only would the end user plaintiff lose the case, but I'm not even confident a judge would hear the case. The argument here is that the speeds are throttled, not that you get cut off completely. Therefore, although maybe not to our liking, it IS "unlimited data", just not at unlimited speeds. I would be willing to bet that there is no case here whatsoever. Unless someone has a contractual agreement stating unlimited data at 4g speeds(with no fine print), there is nothing we can legally do. Welcome to America.

PS- Now carrier IQ on the other hand, is a different story. That sir, is violationof our constitutional rights, and there is a very large potential class action suit, maybe bring that up to the attorney you consulted with and see what they say about that. Please keep me updated. Thanks.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captain Zero:
The attorney I spoke to is a personal friend, I'll ask her if I can pass along her info to you - or vice versa. We looked at (presumably) the same contract. Part of the issue, in my case, is with the old unlimited plans. While they don't specifically state unlimited speeds in the current contract, there's no provision for imposing artificial limitations on the original contract I signed, yet I've continued to pay for and have provided an "unlimited" data plan. Now, I have a 4G phone which they tout via advertising and support with the network.

The analogy we giggled about is simple; it's like buying a Ferarri and finding out it has a govenor on it that prevents you from going over 20MPH. That's not what I purchased and was misled at the point of sale.

Also, the "notices" I received via text came in hours after the fact. And, they're ambiguous, stating I "may be subject to throttled speeds". At worst, we get them to change the verbiage. At best, they abandon this policy altogether - and while that isn't likely - we can make some noise because this problem is only going to get worse.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] chibixzero:
I say start a petition and send it to our governor, and the better business Bureau. I mean something has to be done
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Enzopreme:
the contract I read may be revised compared to yours, as I just resigned 2 weeks ago, that does not, however, excuse AT&T from the fact that they're may still be contracts out there that can be brought up in court, and I think an overall revised contract for all newer contracts, and the option to opt out of a current contract would be a sufficient, and realistic outcome for a Class Action Suit. Definitely keep me posted.

It definitely can't hurt!!