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[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
And here is the typical approach from 3rd parties, Onlive for ios and android but WP7 ignored http://www.winsupersite.com/article...solequality-games-smart-phones-tablets-141545. Fewer apps, lower spec phones, no exclusive features, kind of finding it hard now to think of a unique selling point for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
@mb706 - What about the fact that Atlas is coming to android and iOS? How can this be good for Windows Phone? All it goes to show is that now you can have an integrated Xbox experience on any phone. That's a bit silly when Xbox is supposed to be a strong exclusive feature to the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
its a shame isnt it, I guess I shouldnt be in shambles since I dont own an Xbox yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
Out of curiosity of how this app works, I asked my friend to install it on his phone. I was surprised to find at least 4-5 third party apps for xbox. Microsoft's app wasn't even the first one on the list. It seems this app doesn't really give iOS users any new feature that they didn't have before. Thus, it just makes more sense for MS to release the app themselves.

Although I was indeed shocked to hear about this app, I believe MS is trying to expose more people to MetroUI. Not just for the sake of WP7 but for Windows 8. MS would like for the user to be very comfortable with MetroUI before the onslaught of Windows 8 in Q2/Q3 next year.

Anyhow, I don't see the point of me further discussing MS strategy. It's MS's buisness, I'll let them worry about it. I am very happy with WP7 as a product. As long as they keep improving the product, I will keep using it. If MS screws up the strategy, I don't loose anything. I will move on. We will all move on. If the strategy works, they will keep getting my money.

P.S.

To a handful of users that spend all their time trying to convince why MS is bad/evil/stupid and WP7 is going to die,

Thank you for sharing your views. We all have heard you the first time you said it. No need to keep repeating it. If you don't like something, don't use it. But trying to convince everyone else that they should respect your personal dislike is absurd and childish.

To all who try to argure with the guys mentioned above,

Don't! Everyone has a view. Nothing you can do to change it. stop trying. It is equally absurd and childish of you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
You too are ignoring the fact that Atlas is going to other OSes, it's a much bigger deal than you think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
What is this Atlas you are talking about?

May I ask you a question: what is it you are worrying about? I assume you are happy with your WP7 device, otherwise you wouldn't have one. So why making a big deal out of everything? You are happy with your OS, Apple users are happy with theirs. Leave it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Just read they'll be charging $5 for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Here's one reason, growth of the platform. ios and android users have the pick of applications, developers and hardware OEM support. WP7 is starting out and trying to compete with other, established platforms. As those platforms grow stronger there is less reason for developers, OEM's to consider WP7 which means you as a WP7 user dont have access to as many features/applications as other platforms.

Example, Pandora has no WP7 app, no word on if there will ever be one. Here's a new google product announcement I just found on engadget, which of course continues their history of little to no WP7 support http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/08/google-introduces-currents-magazine-like-news-reader-for-androi/. Onlive announced their service today for smartphones and tablets, no mention of WP7. Twitter has redesigned their site and mobile apps, no mention of WP7.

With MS slowly making the exclusive features of WP7 available to other platforms giving them fewer reasons to use WP7, where is the growth going to come from, so marketshare grows and WP7 users get access to applications available on other platforms? Further, to counter the point that having Xbox live/Halo on ios exposes those users to Metro and makes them more inclined to consider WP7 as a future smartphone choice, why would one sole application do that when the whole OS and its associated integration and Metro UI couldnt? All it does is give those users access to WP7 functionality on the OS of their choice, reducing any reason to switch.

Anyway, time to leave it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tmak22:
Things like this make me wonder why I even still own a windows phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Nevermind...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
ATLAS is a companion app for Halo that works in real time as it shows you a live view of the map you're currently playing with players and weapons locations. It's the first example of proper interaction between the console and the phone so really a killer feature for WP7.

With ATLAS going to other platforms, Xbox Live cannot be consider a key element of WP7 as it means any phone could now get a full Xbox Live experience. It's just one app but it's very significant as it gives guidance for what can come next.

And yeah, like someone else explained it's not enough to just be happy with the OS. If people don't have incentive to buy it then developers and OEMs will lose interest and it will eventually die. So being worried is a valid feeling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Any phone CAN get the full XBL experience. All they need to do is develop the Apps. But I agree with your point.

In the end I don't even care about XBL. I use my XB360 for content consumption a lot more than gaming so that stuff doesn't matter to me as much.

The WLM/OneNote/PhotoSynth stuff is a bigger deal to me than this.

People need to understand that Microsoft has to build up it's console ecosystem as well. Limiting these apps to a thin platform when you're the top console game manufacturer is stupid. They basically have to do it, or they will piss off XB360 player. People don't want to feel like they need a Windows Phone to get the full XBL experience, the same way they didn't like it that you needed a Blackberry to get the full Playbook experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
So these guys are two Microsoft reps right? Now tell me that WP features going to other OSes doesn't hurt the platform!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Rhetoric question: What has helped this platform?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's not really rhetorical, so I'll give one good example: Zune Music Store and Zune Pass. Microsoft DRMs the Zune Pass Music so it's basically tied to their platform and to devices that can easily Sync with the Zune Player on Windows (not sure about Mac Connector, I don't use a Mac). Want to stream them Music Videos? Better have a compatible device/PC OS/Software...

It's just like Apple making an iTunes store for Android. That would obviously hurt their platform.

So yea, keeping things tied to WP7 can potentially help their platform.

Issue is, they really cannot afford to do that because then it can potentially hurt their other devisions. The XBOX team doesn't work for the Windows Phone team. Unless upper management says so, the Windows Live, Office, and XBox teams can release their apps for whatever platforms they choose.

The ironic thing is that they've tended to support iOS better than WP7 since the platform was released. Its almost as if the other teams within Microsoft have little faith in the company's own platform...

Yes, I just looked and Halo Waypoint + ATLAS is indeed in the Android Market. Microsoft has a Hotmail Mail/Contact/Calendar Sync App there as well as their decent Bing App. On iOS they have WLM with the Social Feeds integration, Bing, OneNote Mobile, XBL, PhotoSynth and others. There are rumors that Microsoft Office is coming to iOS.

I said [many] months ago that Microsoft is making it hard for people to consider their platform by giving such good support for Apple's platform, and now they're ramping up support for Android. Goodie...

It's suprising how WP7 users are willing to play second-fiddle to other platforms yet they rarely really complain to Microsoft about it.

Maybe they'll say something when Microsoft releases a Metro-style launcher for Android devices?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
What kills me in that tweet is that they don't mention WP which is their own platform. That's quite ridiculous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its not that teams platform. Multiple teams, that don't communicate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This.

They develop apps for whatever platforms they want. The other teams within Microsoft do not favor their own platform. They simply want to propogate their products and services everywhere they can. Developing for iOS and Android gives them a lot more reach than trying to push WP7.

It's the sad, unfortunate truth.

What WP7 needs is for third party developers to develop for the platform and price apps on par (not more expensive) than the iOS and Android counterparts - and for Microsoft to remove some of the roadblocks to bringing more innovative solutions over to this platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
And it continues, Kinectimals for iOS hahaha
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Linky for our ios buddies :) http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kinectimals/id482365195?mt=8
[Windows Phone 7 General] Snake.:
yeah, are they trying to kill WP or what? What´s next? XBOX Live integration into iOS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
They're practically there, Kinectimals on iPad integrates with the Xbox 360 version so really the only difference nowadays between Xbox Live on the two Oses is the achievements but for how long?
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
WP7 had unique features like xbox live, zune, office, live tiles and metro. All that remains now are zune, live tiles and metro (office seems sure to come to ios). Zune can be replaced with any of the numerous music apps available, leaving just the UI and live tiles as the USP for WP7.

Maybe I missed something but to me, with MS aggressively supporting ios, doesnt this make WP7 pretty much redundant? Some will say with WP7 you get everything integrated but ultimately if you can achieve the same thing elsewhere does that really matter? Some will also say this is good because is exposes people to MS, but isnt this at the expense of WP7 as a platform?

How do partners like Nokia advertise WP7 when they can no longer say features like Xbox live and now xbox games are exclusive to WP7? All this seems counter to the concept of 3 screens and the cloud and supporting your own mobile OS, maybe someone can explain how this benefits WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
It doesn't benefit WP7, those who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I like this thread because I complained about this several months ago and was called a hater and a troll for calling Microsoft out on it.

Vindication feels so good.

SkyDrive app on iOS as well. Not sure if that's been mentioned since I haven't caught up on all the posts I missed since I last viewed the thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MaziarAmiri:
I don't get it.

What MS is doing is like Apple giving apps like iBooks or other exclusive apps to other platforms.

WP7 may not have a lot of apps as Android/iOS and it has lower market share but it's UI is just fantastic IMO(I'm a former iOS user) and can overcome both iOS and Android if MS do some things right.

First they allowed Android/iOS users to experience WP7 demo from their devices and now they're giving all the exclusive WP7 apps to them !

I just hope MS doesn't kill WP7,I don't want WP7 to have the same fate as Kin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
I will be leaving wp7 at the next opportunity. I am sick of MS treating us loyal users like third class citizens. Instead of treating us with cool exclusive apps they're giving everything away to other platforms. How am I supposes to be passionate about WP7 when I have to borrow my friends iPhone just to use MS services. I don't care if ita a different team. This is exactly the type of intra company fighting that MS gets bashes of in the press. In a bid to achieve better numbers the rest of the MS teams are ****ting all over wp7 and its users. If MS is a software company why even bother release a mobile OS, why not release services on Android and iOS and let it be the end of that? Why did they not publish Halo or forza for PS3? Can you imagine all that revenue and profit they are leaving on the table? Maybe it would even convince ps3 users to switch to Xbox? Lol. I have ranted about this for a long time so the only thing I can do now is vote with my wallet. Wp7 is fantastic and I'm not leaving because I have a problem with the OS. I am leaving because MS constantly sends out negative signals about WP7 and treats us like third class citizens. At least google and apple take care of their users. Funny how apple hasn't ported facetime to other platforms yet huh?
[Windows Phone 7 General] DJBlaster-303:
I don't get it too! What's next step? Boot Camp to dual boot IOS and WP7??? (only on iphone 4) :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knochen1981:
As a WP7 User i like it. Give MS Services to other Platforms is a good thing.

Dont understand why everyone is upset.

WP7 Experience is totally different than those Apps. They just give a Sneak Peak.

The Question is why does Apple approve those Apps ?

Metro Design on iOS ?

But its just my opinion.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
It doesn't matter though, as someone already said, the app just does what the website version does, and so does our games hub. The thing they dont have is xbox live achievements and avatar marketplace. Xbox Companion is a different story, but it does tie-in with the xbox integration in wp7.

With Microsoft providing their apps on other platforms is a plus, people just look it in the other way. If the MS apps people use are on other platforms, it will make them easier to switch to wp7 (if they want to) because those apps are already available in wp7.

Just out of curiosity, if Sony Ericsson did produce a WP7 phone will they support the Xbox and not PS3? Or is this why they made Xperia Play after their WP7 prototype phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
it doesn't work that way. Do you really think ps3 users would switch to Xbox if MS ported halo or forza or other Xbox exclusives to ps3? How many mac users switch back to windows just because MS makes office for mac. I will be ditching wp7 at the next opportunity.

By providing apps for other platforms, MS is only driving away existing customers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
Microsoft is a software company; this is what they are [or at least should be] best at. I, personally, think it’s good for them to embrace multiple platforms and iOS would benefit greatly with more major software developers onboard. Perhaps MS realizes that their OS needs to stand on its own achievements rather than just trying to push it by means of exclusives.

The Windows Phone division doesn't control what apps they release on other platforms, other divisions like MS Studios or MS Research holds on that decision.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
It all reeks of lies to me

1) If they want to reach the majority, where are all the Android apps even though Android has the highest penetration in the smartphone market. No photosynth app for android, no onenote for android, no xbox live app for android etc.

2) If all they cared about was releasing software, why even bother with a mobile OS. Just release your services on Android and iOS and let it be the end of it.

3) Why haven't Xbox exclusives been ported over to PS3 when there is so much revenue and profit gained from their userbase? It appears MS studios is being held back with regards to PS3 but they are fine with releasing games on iOS?

4) Why did the Xbox need exclusives? Why didn't they decide that it should stand on it's own rather than push it via means of exclusives? Do you really think Xbox would have survived without Halo as an exclusive? A new platform in a mature market needs exclusives. When your one weakness is a lack of apps, you don't start giving apps away on rival platforms because it weakens your position further.

5) This type of intra company fighting is exactly why MS has such a negative image in the community. Just to post better numbers, one MS team ****s over another MS team, in this case WP7 and its users. How many times have we heard this story? One hand not knowing what the other is doing?

6) I do not want iOS to benefit in any way of form, especially with MS's help. They already have major devs onboard. MS should be devving for WP and not iOS.

I have had enough of this. And I am not the only one. Reading comments on various forums and blogs it seems quite a lot of first adopters are planning to move away from WP7 just because of how we're treated. Fine, MS makes a few bucks selling games for iOS, on the other hand they just lost me as a WP7 customer, a Bing customer and customer of all services than MS provides, when I move to Android. Well done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
I don't know what your problem is but Microsoft isn't your company, besides its a software giant, making software is what they're good at, whether Microsoft product or not. I'm an early wp7 user, I don't really care if Microsoft make apps for other platforms as long as they don't take out a feature from their own products and port it to other platforms.

Have fun with android, by 'fun' I meant lots of complicated stuff. Just because it's popular that doesn't mean it's any good. Majority uses it because it's free. You know how people react when they hear or see the word free. Usually means cheap knock off that come and go for a short time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
I don't have a problem with WP7 just with how MS is treat us users. They said wait for Mango with regards to Photosynth. Well Mango has come and gone and there's nothing. They said wait for Mango for Skype. Well... It's ridiculous how both are MS properties and yet are not available on their own platform.

You do no give away apps to other platforms when app support is your #1 weakness. Contrary to what people think, this won't make iOS/Android users switch to WP7. If Apple released Facetime, Garageband etc for Windows/WP, I would enjoy those apps, but I am not going to switch platforms.

All it does is drive away existing users like me. Tell me, how long are you willing to wait for Photosynth or Skype? It's been months since Mango came out. I have been telling all the iPhone users I know to download Photosynth and they love it and when they ask me if I have it on my Microsoft phone, they laugh that it's not available. Can you imagine me having to borrow my friends iPhone to use MS services? I have to borrow Android phone just to use Skype so that I can talk to my parents.

This is not something I am willing to put up with as a first adopter. Since MS is in such a vulnerable position in the mobile market, I was expecting them to do everything they can to attract new users and keep existing users satisfied. By giving away apps to Apple and Google, they're unfortunately doing neither.
[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
Its only been 3 months since mango came out. I can wait for those apps since there are alternatives for me. So what if they have photosynth and skype first, its not like microsoft isnt going to develop them on wp7, and skype was already available on ios and android long before microsoft bought it. photosynth is just another ztitch application, its not like youre gonna use it everyday.

They are doing it, they recently released the html5 wp7 demo for android and ios and thats something, not huge, but at least it gives other users a chance to try out wp7. Existing users are already satisfied with wp7, that is if wp7 is doing its job right for the user.

Again, Microsoft is a software company, they control what they want to share on other platforms, and this isnt something to be pissed about. If they make apps for other platforms thats fine, but if they port features on other platforms then thats stupid. Take the people app on android for example, its a total rip-off from wp7 and this is the kind of thing to be pissed about because microsoft had that idea first and google copied it. Because this isnt something directly from microsoft, and most people will think that google made this, microsoft copied.

And for game exclusives, same thing applies. FFXIII was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive but Microsoft wanted the game available on the xbox as well so it was done legally by signing a contract and stuff. This is ok, but if they made a rip-off out of it then I guess it wouldve been taken straight to the court.

Apps will come soon to wp7, but most of the popular ones are already in the marketplace. Even the new ebuddy XMS messenger is already in development for wp7. Just take note that its already hard to catch up with this kind of ecosystem where wherever you look at its all android and ios, but this is a plus for Microsoft since surveys show that most people, practically teenagers, are bored of having an iphone, and most android users are dealing with hard reset and fragmentation, and these are the kind of people Microsofts targeting at in order for them to be recognized as one of the iphone and android alternative. This is in fact, true. Most of my friends admit that theyre sick of the iphone, but they cant cross bridges because what pulling their backs is apps. When I first got my trophy my friends were not impressed by the apps, though they were fascinated how well it performed. Whatsapp came and 2 of my friends bought a focus and a radar. So with this, if Microsoft is going to make most of their apps available to other platforms, people will be able to switch easier if they want to, to wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amritpal2489:
I dont see any harm
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
You post doesn't make any sense. I am not talking about MS bring exclusives to WP7. That would be great! I am talking MS giving away WP7 exclusives to other platforms.

Read this article

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/12/is-windows-phones-consumer-focus-killing-it.ars

"However, it's still early days in the "modern" (post-iPhone) smartphone market. A majority of phones sold are still feature phones, meaning that there's still an enormous number of people out there with no investment in any platform. These users are still up for grabs, especially in emerging markets where iPhone and Android are much less entrenched."

By giving away apps to other platforms, that's one less reason for first time smartphone buyers to choose WP7. Look at all the MS apps that are available on iOS PLUS apps that are NOT available on WP7. Who it the right mind would choose WP7 in that situation? MS should realize that it's all about apps, apps, apps. Integration is nice, but eventually it's apps, apps, apps. When your #1 weakness is lack of apps, you don't start giving away your exclusive apps to other platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
The marketplace is growing rapidly so there's no worry about it, besides its quality over quantity. And wp's #1 weakness is advertisement, most carriers don't even introduce them to customers.

"Windows phone needs to be successful on it's own merit, not by playing this silly game of exclusivity. Exclusive deals are ****ty marketing ploys, so I am very glad to see Microsoft not doing this. And let's be honest, a handful of Microsoft exclusive apps for the phone aren't going to get iphone users to jump ship. Really all it will do is piss people off and reinforce this tired stereotype of Microsoft as the evil empire."

So there, I'm tired of your apps apps apps attitude. I see no point of replying to your posts when I only repeat myself again and again. So you might as well enjoy your android crap just because it's got lots of free apps with bonus malware on it. I'd rather pay 10 bux on a secure high quality app than use a free crap-app that not only it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, but also steal information.