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[Android General] tjfoo:
The only issue I have with is the word 'never' in the title.
[Android General] 5hi7h34d:
I quit reading there.

Panhandling should be barred.
[Android General] tjtj4444:
Of course these issues with sometimes non-smooth ui can be solved in future versions of Android.

Android is getting mature so now Google can focus on things like this.

Updating the architecture might not be easy but there is no reason it should be impossible.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Android General] gielsgaard:
There is no such thing as a perfect OS ,because we all want different things from our Phone .
[Android General] Jason_25:
Great point. The OP should be careful what he wishes for. Android phones are truly small computers, thus they still give priority to background tasks such as server daemons when the UI is in use. Since the iphone is just a kid's toy with little to no true multitasking, this does not matter much for it.

Another great way to say it without being as negative as myself.
[Android General] Shivammcool:
BULL SH*t
[Android General] bhu1:
Hahahahahhaah, if anyone uses xda app. Then your post reads like this in scrollable preview of the thread - ' Bullsh*t sent from my nexus s using xda app'. :D
[Android General] DanDroidian:
Same on my tapatalk screen!
[Android General] solarspeed:
Even on my U8800 Pro with CM7 screen is incredibly responsive and UI is as smooth as in iOS. The article is full of crap.
[Android General] techimanu:
Very interesting article.
[Android General] Henka85:
I think a really important point that has not been mentioned in comparing UI smoothness of iOS, WP7 and Android is WHAT has to be rendered.

in wp7 you get scrolling 2d patterns which cant be customized at all (change colors or positions isnt customizing imho). Rendering the entire UI in high frame rates could be possibly done on a 486 cpu. On iOS there is a 2d homescreen with icons… no widgets, no animated effects or 3d scrolling stuff etc. so i think the rendering work in android is most challenging one compared to other OSes. additionally the capabilities of android have grown over the years. the amount of different homescreens, animated and scrolling widgets plus transition effects has increased while on iOS you still have a 2d desktop with icons on it... like 4 years before ...

also interesting that some of the 3rd party launchers with their 3d eyecandy work even smoother than android´s stock launcher ...
[Android General] mcord11758:
Owning both devices an ios device and android, ios is not smoother at all. I find it intollerably slow and restrictive with no gain in battery life for the restrictions.

My opinion on this debate is that if you compare an iPhone to a low end android device, sure ios looks great. If you get your hands on a quality android device, and maybe tweak some things or flash a nice rom, ios is putrid in comparison.
[Android General] Kailkti:
That's just saying the fat man is slow because he is fat. Well atleast the fatman is getting more muscle to hide the fat... ew. @_@
[Android General] corwest:
slow down the transitions in Android to the speed of IOS, take out the 3D homescreens and many layers of graphics, (Live wallpaper, notification pulldown, and widgets) and it can be just a s smooth. IOS uses incredibly slow transitions, it only opens one window at a time with no graphical layers and.... forget it. Apple blows. Enough said.
[Android General] tumpy:
I have issue with those who say android isn't as smooth as IOS, ios is smoother than HC,GB and Froyo but ics is much smoother than iso, I have a windows 7.5 and ipad2 3g/wifi, my scrolling test side by side with iso on this forum prove to me that ics is much smoother in scrolling, my test is on this forum each page consist of ten post with ics i can be on first post and with one slide with finger scroll will go straight to the bottom of page ios will never make it to the bottom with same amount of force apply when scrolling. thor's ics isn't quite finish but it is smooth and real fast in my side by side test with ios.....
[Android General] Squazic:
Maybe from a hardware standpoint iOS has an advantage, but in practice, if you configure the phone right, I've seen Android phones that can be quite snappy. There's only a certain point you need to get it to for a human to feel that it's instantaneous and I think where it is now is fine.
[Android General] Andrewtst:
Crap article.... iOS got nothing at home screen, it actually don't have home screen. Once enter is just a menu screen. Without the home screen, they is nothing to draw / operate on it which save a lot power processing.

And my Android is running as smooth as iOS.
[Android General] calyxim:
iphone4 (£400) is faster than my htc wildfire (£100).

Unlike the price tag, iphone isn't 4 times faster.

On the other hand htc desire hd (£300) is as snappy as an iphone4. On the plus side desire hd comes with android.
[Android General] bhu1:
Hehe good theory.
[Android General] YouGotRioted:
My Nexus S with ICS is smooth enough for me (not 60fps smooth like iOS or WP7) but definitely smoother than gingerbread.

Not everyone wants smoothness, as long as it's ok for everyday usage. Some people are definitely more sensitve to lag than me though. I have given my phone to colleagues to try and their opinions vary from average to extremely smooth. So in the end it really depends on sensitivity.
[Android General] FuzzyQ:
I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I really don't know what this is all about.

I've got a modded 2.3.6 jw1 DarkyRom version of android running on my SGS i9000, fully themed, no ramhacks or tweaks other than already implemented in the rom.

It is as smooth and fast as I could wish for. The only force closes I experience result from bad apps or, more often, from my own failures.

The only lags I experience result from pushing multitasking to unreasonable limits instead of closing apps after I'm done with them or in running games that are clearly not designed for this piece of hardware (like popcap games' plants vs. zombies, which is running fine most of the time nonetheless).

I never even give a second thought on how an app or widget might impact on performance because I don't have to. Everything is working as it is meant to do from my perspective.

I've replaced stock firmware of my device by a DarkyRom mod only two days after buying. While stock firmware indeed lagged like hell, I always felt comfortable with this mod. I tried most versions of DarkyRom, sometimes experimenting with different kernels (e.g. semaphore), ramhacks, tweaks (my favorite: supercharger by zeppelinroxx) and even overclocking. Not because I had to, but because I love to play around with new technologies.

The result is: none of these experiments offered better results than what I'm using now.

2.3.6 is a hell of a performer, all those who experience laggs should give it a try. Or, better yet, jump to DarkyRom right away :D You'll get a beautiful, amazingly easy customizable rom and the most friendly community support I've ever had contact with in my days using the internet.

I should add that I've never used an iPhone or a win7phone, so I've got no means of comparison. My point is: I can enjoy my android phone because it's functioning the way I want it to. I simply don't need a better performing device (yet).

Best regards.

PS: I'm sorry that this came out like fanboy talk or advertisement despite what I wrote in my first sentence :p
[Android General] barisahmet:
Plus, android is challenging much more different resolutions, hardware combinations etc., while iSux os doesn't care those stuff.
[Android General] snowdream86:
I wish google improve this.
[Android General] alex2792:
That sounds very plausible, the reason I went back to the iPhone is because Android just isn't nearly as usable. The UI is a mish mash of ideas with 0 consistency, all Android phones I tried randomly stutter and most apps are pretty fugly compared to iOS versions. The fact that Google is unable to implement proper HW acceleration 4 years after Android's launch is a joke IMO.
[Android General] the1dynasty:
this is my first Android phone (NS4G) and i had an iPhone 4 prior... i must say that this phone modded with the ICS rom from Pete, DESTROYS the 4 i had in every aspect of the phone!! i only ran GB for about 1-2 weeks before flashing my first rom and this phone is incredibly fast/smooth... i've also played with several iPhone 4s' from some of my friends and there's really nothing that sets theirs apart from my modded NS4G... and i just OC it to 107% (1284MHz) today on this new rom... before, it was running with normal settings and still insanely fast!

i'd make a video to show this running but there are a few of them online already and i'm not sure what people would want to see in the video :)
[Android General] nunjabusiness:
Five pages of posts and no one has even mentioned webOS, the one portable OS that really got multi-tasking right. Anyone who has used a fully patched and tweaked webOS device with preWare (TouchPad anyone?) can attest to it. Open an app and swipe to minimize and it continues to run and process. Web pages actually open after you minimize the browser, etc.

Now that webOS has been open sourced, I am hoping someone will find a way to merge it with an Android version with the best of both worlds. I am sure there is work going on in that direction, just not sure where.
[Android General] [IO]ERROR:
Well I'm on the side that doesn't see what people are complaining about. I have a Nexus One and an Atrix and both run smooth for me.

As any web developer will tell you, let me focus on one browser and I'll build a killer web site but make me support them all and it will be just "Good". Apple only has to build software around their own hardware and trust me when I said that what hardware is put into that devise depends on what they want to do with software (and vise verse). While some might consider this a good business model others don't. I personally like having the choice of a 4.65 inch screen or a 3.7 inch screen. If that means I have to deal with less FPS I'm ok with that.
[Android General] jay_993:
The thing is Flyme OS (like MIUI) on the MEIZU looks butter smooth although it runs on Exynos SoC.
[Android General] MissionImprobable:
As said elsewhere, I'll give up a little bit of buttery performance when sliding around my screens for a system that actually multitasks.

That said, I don't have to. Running MIUI with Zepplin's V6 Supercharger and my phone is both stable and extremely smooth. Why Google hasn't implemented the settings that developers have on their own to make the system cleaner I don't know.

Lastly, I've seen iPhones with issues, so let's not pretend that despite the fact that Apple is only programming for their own device that they've gotten it all perfect.
[Android General] MrColdbird:
I know what some people might think bout the whole Android VS iOS thing after seeing low budget phones...

However its just that, a low budget phone.

Its like running a powerful iMac VS Windows 7 on a 500mhz computer with 512mb RAM.

If you want a fair competition let it race against a LG Optimus 2x, Nexus S or one of the newer Sony phones, and lets face the simple truth, iOS will lose badly against those, I know what Im talking about as Ive compared them myself... and look at this posts signature what Im running on. ;)
[Android General] alex2792:
What are you smoking? My ancient 3GS ran smoother than Evo and Photon, and iPhone 4S completely destroys every Android phone in that regard. There is a reason why it outsells every high end Android phone by at least a factor of 3 to 1.
[Android General] OmarBizreh:
I've also used both, iPod Touch, and Xperia Arc S, they both lag when running low on RAM... besides, there are lot's of visual stuff I found on Android, that I didn't find on an IOS device, they also play their part.
[Android General] jose.celestino:
Really? The only one I recall on the same price range as the 4s is the Galaxy SII and it's smooth as it can be. There is a reason for the outsell, being a better or worse performer just has nothing to do with it.

EDIT: Just checked and the SII is 150gbp cheaper and better.
[Android General] the1dynasty:
people may not understand this but the iPhone is a LIFESTYLE!! it only sells b/c people buy into the "iPhone lifestyle" not because it's a superior product... i personally know people that have bought one just because other people have one and they look up to those people...

in other words... i'll use cars since i love cars too... you can drive a Honda until the wheels fall off... and even tho getting a Mercedes you'll be in the shop several times a year (not for regular maintenance) people would still rather have a Mercedes because of the lifestyle people perceive someone driving one to have... make sense?

Apple is the BEST at marketing which is why they sell the way they do... do you really think the amount of people that buy a 4S use "Siri" on a daily basis? i have several friends with a 4S and i've seen countless times where they asked Siri to do something and 9/10 times they could've just done it faster themselves b/c that chick didn't know what they were asking...
[Android General] MrColdbird:
I compared the phones I did use and none of the ones you mentioned was on my list.

As has been said before... if Apples sales equaled their product quality they would be a lot lower.
[Android General] alex2792:
Really? So how do you explain the fact that Apple trounces all Android vendors when it comes to customer satisfaction every year? Oh I know, it's because all iPhone users are brainwashed zombies,right? You're really dilusional...
[Android General] MrColdbird:
Give an granny who always did her cleaning with a broom a vacuum cleaner and she will still stick to the broom.

I wish you a nice christmas granny.
[Android General] alex2792:
So, you have no way of refuting facts and you turn to personal insults. Looks like you're really drinking Google's Kool aid.
[Android General] zelendel:
The reason it out sells other is due to it being childishly simple. Average people can't handle anything that is not simple.
[Android General] SirRufio:
iPhones sell not because of a superior product (quite the opposite - and working in a phone shop i have the repair/replace numbers to back me up), Marketing pure and simple but the in of the biggest factors has nothing to do with Apple but a hell of a lot of aftermarket goods. How many of you guys that have or have had iPhones have at least bought one aftermarket product purely coz it supports the iPhone ?? I used to own one and yes have a stereo that supports it, now multiply that by millions who use a phone for its basics and bam there you have it - numbers. New sales are mostly because 'everyone has one' - again marketing. Only true Appleheads will queue up weeks before a release. Here's reality for fanboys - in my store alone, yes the iPhone sells high BUT it is also the MOST problematic in the market. Reason for my change is simple - i bought a product and i don't need the company telling me what i can and can't do with MY phone !!
[Android General] zelendel:
Oh I know the feeling. I have many people coming into my store asking for an iPhone and by the time they leave 90% of the time I can talk them into something else and they are far happier. Even had had one come back that got an iPhone and return it after they played with the Captivate that their son chose lol
[Android General] SirRufio:
As soon as i mention that u can backup your sim on anything but an iPhone its game over Apple lol
[Android General] MrColdbird:
Alex, you should watch your own mouth before judging other people, your text wasnt entirely rational either.

Fire against fire.

Besides, trying to reason with a fanboy is futile, so i wont even try to reason with you any longer.

This thread already shows all the truths, if you are too blind or ignorant to see it, or only see what you wish to see then so be it.

Live your happy life in apples birdcage.
[Android General] alex2792:
I'm not a fanboy, I just call it like I see it. I've owned multiple Android phones, and fact is none of them can hold a candle to the iPhone. I'm not alone in reaching that conclusion seeing how the iPhone is a top selling device on pretty much every major carrier worldwide. Android fanboys are techies who like to tweak and rom their phones, but 99.9% of phone users aren't. My parents both have Android phones that I got for them because Sprint didn't offer the iPhone at the time and I get constant complaints regarding battery life, random freezes and other bizarre behavior. Needless to say they will be switching to the iPhone as soon as they're eligible for an upgrade. In fact I would get a Nokia Lumia 800 over any Android phone, because WP7 offers superior user experience on much weaker hardware.
[Android General] SirRufio:
LOL i get complaints about the iphone freezing, not charging, failed updating, slow response, apps disappearing, screens not responding, home button failing, power button failing, inability to backup without itunes, losing contacts, contacts not showing names, cracked glass, calendars not syncing, itunes errors and the list goes on. I'll live with a few fc's and battery life compared.
[Android General] chbennett:
Here's an analogy for you guys. Android is to ios as the concord is to the 747. The iPhone and its os will happily carry the masses around in relative ease in a decent manner. Like a 747. However, an android device is like the concord, an achievement of technology that can do so much more than what is asked of it, allowing for the trip (roms, kernels, tweaks, customizations) to be as good as the destination (a "phone" ). I don't know about you, but give me that concord moment in handset technology, as I want to be there to witness what is possible not what is easy.

Edited: I don't want a wink face in place of " )
[Android General] mcord11758:
I am sorry, I have an iPhone 4 running ios 5.01. It is the worst battery life I have ever had on a smart phone. Moderate business use results in complete battery drain in less than 8 hours. It is painfully slow in comparison to my old sansung captivate, browsing over 3g is like watching paint dry. Multitasking is an utter embarrassment, 50% of all websites I go to don't work correctly due to lack of flash. Apple attempts to prevent you from using any alternative source for anything, books, music, apps etc.

I sold my captivate when my company gave me this heap of junk. I had to go out and buy a android tablet for recreational use because the only thing my iPhone could do was check Facebook/twitter, play angry birds, and view half the websites I frequent. Now that I have my Flyer I do not even look at my iPhone when I am home. It is useless
[Android General] sansibar1907:
android open sources ! iphones and other os only money pit !
[Android General] p3r02d3r0:
Well, I like it "flashy", and I'd never use simple ROMs, so I guess it'll never be a smooth Android experience for me.
[Android General] Jarmezrocks:
Two words. Think Multi-tasking. Yes. How can the ROM focus all on rendering the UI when it NEEDS other processes to run when it multi-tasks. Seems why iPhone is so **** with multi-tasking...put bluntly it cannot even compare to android multi-tasking efforts. Horses for courses I say. You can go stick with the new iPhoney....Android all the way!
[Android General] DroidDavi:
I have actually had a friend of mine who works at a apple store tell me the reason iPhone wins is because its simple and most dumb people can use it. To me that's crazy. I honestly feel Android is better. I know iOS is smooth but I have seen it crash. There are trade offs if you live in the apple bubble then I'm sure you feel it works perfect. But whats IMO a better OS and variety a phones I think that's why Android is better. At the end of the day my grandmother doesn't need a top tier phone on the other hand I do. You don't have that choice with ios. You get what apple wants you to have
[Android General] DeathW1SH:
Yeah i read about this on phonearena, it made alot of sense hopefully someday it will be comparable.
[Android General] goodmamba:
Performance in Android

:rolleyes: Strange, but i haven't noticed any lagging in the Android interface using CyanogenMod7 (nightly 204) on Lg Optimus 2X (LG P990). For example, I have 475 contacts and 100 of them with pictures, full descriptions and notes in it and they never stuck when scrolling.

Even when multi-tasking, scroling seems smooth and zippy.

In Opera Mobile 11.5 (I think it's hardware optimized for Tegra2 GPUs) I easily open up to 10 tabs and no lag!

My settings:

VM heap size - 48Mb

Compcache - 26%

16b transparency - disabled

Lock home in memory - enabled

Allow purging of assets - enabled

Surface dithering - disabled

JIT - enabled

No CPU or GPU overclock.

No wallpaper

Screen-on/off animation: disable
[Android General] Theonew:
Don't you mean software :p?
[Android General] Gutana:
My friends Dad has an iPhone 4GS, and when i compared it to my GS2, the UI on the iPhone was noticeably smoother. But, at that point I was running stock, without CM7 and overclocking. I have yet to compare them with mine on max settings. But the way Android wins is that android has much better multitasking, as well as much more customization. The most you can do with an apple device is jailbreak and theme. and even then, you can't do that much more than with stock. So I'll be staying with android for a good while.
[Android General] mistermentality:
The non google source has retracted what he said and explained he misunderstood some aspects. Its on his google+ page. So thought would mention it as otherwise people only know what he previously said.

Dave
[Android General] smackdownn:
ios sucks so badly at some aspects...before few months one of my friend who had 3gs was playing a game and the phone suddenly froze...and i asked him to restart it or turn it off..i was shocked when i heard the reply from him "there is no way to do either, i need to wait till the battery is totally drained coz the battery is non removable"...i was like WTF..dunno if its fixed now but that is the most horrible experience a smartphone user can get :eek: ..i cant belive he still loves iphone :confused: ..darn these fanboys;)
[Android General] Pickx:
Except that is not true. You can hard reset by holding home+power
[Android General] jose.celestino:
Yeah, that would be weird, even for apple.
[Android General] got556:
Which goes back to what has been mentioned here and my own personal beliefs. People that buy Iphones are the equivalent of the sheeple making up the world. They just want something that works, is easy to use, and don't have to mod it to get to optimal performance. A la people that buy Toyota Camries vs. 350Z's, S2000's, STI's, EVO's, Mustangs, etc. :P

If I tried to explain to 10 of my Iphone friends what Rooting and Flashing are, 9 out of 10 would look at me as if I just asked them to complete a complicated math problem. The don't understand and don't want to understand.

I will forever be on the Android bandwagon, but I understand the appeal to Iphones/Apple products.

Good discussion either way, but it's honestly beating a dead horse. Ford vs GM, 9mm vs .45, chili with or w/out beans, etc.
[Android General] xmath279:
For me, when I explain flashing to friends, even if they have an Android, most of them don't want to understand, because they don't care and want to stay with their crappy performances (I'm talking about LG-P500).
[Android General] renegadefunk:
I think my sgs2 is easily as smooth as an iPhone..

also, ios sucks donkey nuts imo
[Android General] thinglet:
His post on Google+ was definitely a very informative read, explained thoroughly something I had just skimmed the surface of.