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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
I cant believe how some guys are still so concerned about speed. Start using your brains plz :)

--> We've all seen the demos of the games that are coming out right now for Tegra3 so you know how they look like. If not, use your youtube! I think its clear there will be more in the future because Tegra3 will be on a lot of Tablets and on a lot of phones. And nvidia is pushing this pretty hard.

--> Most important thing is the software.

Thats the only reason why the ipad is a good gaming device. Because there are companies putting out games for it. For example look at the console/pc games market. Believe me Xbox360 and Ps3 are totally sucky systems with extremly bad hardware that produce ****ty graphics. Every modern pc could do so much more. But games are developped for xbox360 so that is that.

--> Is touchscreen the perfect control method for you?

Some games really work with touchscreen. They are a lot of fun with it. Other games simply suck with touchscreen controls. For example shooters. Good thing android will be fully compatible with bluetooth/usb gamepad controlers. So devs can put the option in their games. We wont be seeing this from apple any time soon (goes against their marketing strategies i guess).

-->Is gaming the only thing you wanna do?

I think its pretty clear a tablet like the Prime has many more features than others. Is this a plus for you or do you not care?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
ironically Apple doesn't care about game. Steve Jobs didn't like games.

He was originally against the AppStore and... well it's obvious they re not very funny peoples overall.

Guess we have developpers to thanks for the gaming succes of the Appstore.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xTRICKYxx:
Why care about power? I am a PC gamer. It is far more powerful than any console out there and it produces incredible visuals that the consoles cannot match. But, game consoles are far more popular even though in the long run, PC gaming and console gaming cost the same.

But I'm getting the Prime not to game, I hate games on touch platforms. I don't think they are games at all. They are all gimmicky pick-up-and-play games with ****ty storylines, no depth, and no replay value. Although, there are a number of touch games that are not like that at all but are not the popular majority.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] clouds5:
That's the cool thing about ICS, it will support gamepads through Bluetooth+USB.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mi7chy:
Yes, we need another thread to dismiss the Tegra3 and Asus Transformer Prime.

I agree with OP. They have no future because videos clearly show side by side with iPad2 that the Tegra3/TP has better eye candy, detail, higher resolution and frame rate. Not exactly geared for gaming but it has built in micro HDMI port for TV output without requiring an expensive and bulky adapter like on iPad2 and has built in bluetooth device support for game controller, keyboard, mouse, etc.

The final judgement that trumps all others is a synthetic benchmark that spits out a higher number for iPad2 so Tegra3/TP has no future.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] thunng8:
There are plenty of amazing looking ipad2 enhanced games out there. Riptide and the other game used for the side by side comparison are not among the enhanced games.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joe_dude:
There is no future-proofing!

jleewong, it's pointless to think about future-proofing. Tablets are still evolving and each generation will be faster than the last.

More importantly, as "fast" as the Prime and iPad 2 are, they are still sh*t slow. All 4 ARM cores together are no faster than 1 core on a Core iX CPU (if it's lucky). The "fast" PowerVR GPU is around the speed of an old Geforce 7000 series video card.

So to compare the Prime vs. iPad 2 is not a bad idea, but there's no need to _exaggerate_ the trivial benefits of 10 or so more shaders when desktop GPU have *hundreds*.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
Alot of great posts here, thanks for the information. I agree that graphics are not everything when it comes to gaming...

Its all about gameplay that these games have, they can be 2d stick figures but if its got amazing gameplay and depth then thats good enough for me, and in my opinion alot of the tablet games that I have played have been much more creative with fun addicting gameplay than most console games I have played. So I guess having a better GPU doesnt really matter, expecially when it is only just marginally better.

I will be doing other basic things on my prime like watching movies, playing music and browsing web sites but I also look forwared to playing some bladesliger while taking a poop and hopefully other games in the future with some nice polish,gameplay and amazing graphics :)

But if i had to chose between gameplay and graphics, i would choose gameplay. Thank you all for the information provided.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Not a lot of info here but I haven't seen it posted yet. PCWorld should have better video too, btw. This one is sort of frustrating to try and watch but i'm a glutton for punishment.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/245594/the_transformer_prime_quadcore_tablet_is_a_gaming_delight.html
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
WeLl we heard it straight from the horses mouth, PC World themselves. They said Prime has some of the best graphics and implementations ever seen on a mobile device. No mention of Apple ;)

Although the vid is short as a Mofo, he stressed the point most already knew. iPad is a great device once you jailbreak it, as i have one, but out the box, The Prime will be even greater. All newer tech, to an extent, is future proof. Just look at XDA. People still supporting some of the oldest phones adding new things to them. They even got the first android phone, g1, running ICS. Although I heard it's slow as a mug but still. Old win mo phones dual booting into Android. I think this is a great consumer n developer that will have appeal for a very lomg time. We haven't even begun yet adding custom roms, more optimizing, adding new features, over clocking, ubuntu, etc..

The Prime is a lot more popular than people realize. Even people i have talked to that know nothing about tablets tell me they heard/read about the Prime. Makes them want to jump into the tablet scene. Even if it means getting another tablet lower priced. So while people will have their Ipad2, kindle fire, or galaxy tab, I'll be rocking the Transformer Prime. I like to be the odd one out the bunch with the coolest tech stuff.

P.s. I plan on switching my Atrix4g to the Samsung Galaxy Note. It just passed FCC so it's about to drop here very soon. I love that it's screen bigger than 5 in., has the best display of mobile phone, and a fast processor. Plus a stylus pen like my old Tilt n Tilt2 had.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
As someone already pointed out, CPU/GPU specs aren't good indicators of how many or how good games can be. The real indicator--ie what devs look at when they make their decision--is size of the market. For now and the near future, iOS will have the edge.

But it's not gloom and doom for Android. The best way to ascertain gaming for Android is just to browse a few good gaming sites for Android. One that I use is DroidGamers. (Anybody know of other good Droid gaming sites?)

I browsed through the site's 6-month archive to get a feel of where Android games are going, looking at a number of factors: types of game releases, frequency of releases, vendor names (established vs homegrown), time difference between iOS and Android versions, et al.

My sense is that Android gaming is substantially improving, even in the small time window viewed. The time difference between iOS and Android releases are shrinking, eg Shadowgun's iOS release was Sep 28, Android release was Oct 26. There are more big-name vendors announcing games for Android.

Granted, it's not all roses and song. iOS still has games that aren't on Android. But Android gaming is by no means barren, and its future looks good.

A larger concern I have is that mobile games are by and large of the casual variety, and "serious" games are few and far between. Even for the few serious games found, most inevitably have short playing time. I can understand this to the extent that serious games cost more money to develop, and with the under-$5 pricing being the rage, it's tough to make the economics work. I'm not sure how this will play out. Perhaps vendors will go with the episodic approach and charge per episode, as some have.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
Interesting video of iPad 3. I dont think that I would really want a 3D tablet or even a TV for that matter.

Found it interesting that apple already has a iPad 3 prototype.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mZvM2i5Hag

apple has already ordered 5 million displays.

Reports of it beginning production in Jan...

http://www.ipad3-release.com/2011/production-of-ipad-3-to-start-in-january-digitimes-reports/

I'm still waiting for my Prime to arrive, i keep getting told Dec 9th-12th but we will see if that really happens, ICS is suppost to hit with an over the air update sometime at the end of this month... I'm also looking forward to that. :D

I know tegra 3 also supports 3D, i just really dont see myself getting too excited for it but I'm sure it will be great with gaming on the ****ter...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
Tablet app development is going to pick up a LOT once the TF Prime hits.

The real reason that app development hasn't been that great all has to do with demand. There has never been significant development for Android tablets because, quite frankly, not very many Android tablets have been popular *outside* of the group of fanatical Android fans. None of them have really sold that well, other than the original Transformer and the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, but even those didn't sell that well outside of people who are significant Android/tech fans. iPad picks up tons of casual technology users who don't know anything about tech and don't even really have a significant interest in this stuff. Up untill now, essentially no Android tablet has been capable of doing that.

The TF Prime is going to change a lot of this. First off, its pre-orders are absolutely through the roof. There's a ton of buzz and word going around about the TF Prime, with it getting a lot of coverage on a ton of websites. A lot of people who were never interested in a tablet before (me) are finally going to get one. A lot of stores are going to be giving the TF Prime a really nice showcase section, like Gamestop, which will get a lot of those non-Android fans interested. Mark my words: the TF Prime will be the bestselling Android tablet yet. It's going to boost not only the sheer number of people who have an Android tablet, but also the level of respect that people have for Android tablets. It's also coinciding with the release of ICS, which will in and of itself increase the respect for Android.

When you combine that with the way that people like to ride the newest tech wave, the demand-which has been the main thing holding Android tablet development back-will finally exist.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
Lets not go and turn this into a iOS vs android bashing contest again please...

I think the lack of many good apps/game developers on the android platform has less to do with hardware and more to do with the software.

Like I have mentioned before it is extremly easy to go out and purchase any android device from the store, connect to the internet and just download any of the apps or games (.apk files) found in the app market for free, that is a major problem and is why alot of developers chose not to make apps and games on android.

Hopefully in the future google will make it alot harder for people to do this so that developers that do want to make some great apps/games will get paid for doing so and continue to want to develop on the platfrom and get paid doing so...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
How is this any different from a jailbroken iProduct + Installous?

I would agree with you that there is an issue with software (uniformity/fragmentation)...but security it is NOT. The biggest issue is the vast variations of the hardware from one device to the next (i.e. Snapdragon, exynos, OMAP, T2 and now T3). This has already been mentioned by many developers, including Epic (guys behind Infinity Blade), as the main reason they aren't in a hurry to work on (higher-end?) android games. It's expensive and time consuming to have to port your software over and over so most of them just don't bother even trying to write for the platform.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
You can get any android device from the store and immediately start pirating software to it, with any stock version of android. With apple you cannot, it requires alot more to be able and install pirated software onto it, and that is a major problem.

And your right about soo many devices and different versions of software for each.. ICS should clear alot of that problem up, but security and developers not getting paid is a problem also. It also leads to great apps and games not selling as many copies as they should have because its just too easy to google said software and install it without purchase.

80% of android apps/games on the marketplace have been purchased less than 100 times, and im guessing its because you can just google the app name and just download it for free.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
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Woah woah woah woah WOAH. That bold part there. That quite frankly is the kind of nuanced, important information we need on subjects such as this. It's just like the example I used a few pages back of how the HTC Sensation has the better GPU than the SGS2, but the SGS2 is actually faster because it has a better CPU and better support/drivers (it's obviously not just these things, but they are some of the biggest factors). While the Sensation has the better GPU, HTC did a poor job with drivers overall, so the SGS2 manages to do "better" with a "worse" GPU!

After my experience with the Sensation, I prefer the mentality of offering better support/drivers with lesser hardware than offering poor support/drivers and trying to make up for it with better hardware. I think we can see with mobile technology as a whole that throwing better hardware at worse software can't always make up for the software (referring to Android philosophy vs. Apple philosophy). Fortunately, Google has been trying very seriously to improve the software and I'm convinced ICS will be the fastest version of Android yet.

But back on topic, I think people who are interested in the TF Prime should always be told what I highlighted in bold if they have concerns about the GPU. There is now enough information on both sides of the table to truly say that we won't have any idea how the TF Prime will perform in this particular area until it comes out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
onlive just released a tablet app for ios and android. Would be interesting how much lag you have with your controls using this app, but in general its a great way to do gaming for a tablet (and how I was planning to do some gaming, but by remote desktop). Would using an app like this be faster then remote desktop? It seems to be the exact same concept but not sure.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/07/onlive-intros-apps-for-ios-and-android-refreshes-its-wireless-c/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
A month or two ago I had onlive on my galaxy tab 10.1 and on my ipad2, unless this is a diffrent app your talking it about.

The onlive app that I had only allowed you to read game information and watch others playing games live, but it didnt allow you to actually play games.

Be great if it was really like the desktop onlive client, then all we would need in a tablet (or even desktop for that matter) is a nice screen and really good internet connection to be able to play any PC game out. Is this a new app your talking about that allows you to do this? I hope so :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] BongoBong:
Yes this is a release of onlive where you can actually play games. Check out the link I posted its got a decent review on it
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
Very nice! Thanks for the info :) Now u can play skrim on your tablet on your lunch break :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The Janitor Mop:
I've never done cloud gaming before: how the heck does it work? So you'll be able to play a full-featured PC or console quality game on your tablet? I don't get how in the heck you'd be able to play a full-featured PC game on a tablet that doesn't have nearly the specs to play it. What is it about cloud gaming that makes this possible?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blueman101:
Basically all cloud gaming is a video stream. You stream your key presses to the high end server which is running the game, and it streams you a video of the game. There is virtually no lag. Try it out, onlive is free and most games have free trials.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Wow, that onLive app looks very promising. This is like remote desktop in a sense. The games are all being ran from a central supercomputer of sorts. So that computer is doing all the handwork. All we need is a decent to good Internet connection and we have sick, cloud based gaming of heavy duty titles. The kind of titles tablets and mobile devices in general been lacking because of hardware constraints. They said even a laptop would have a hard time pushing most of those games let alone a tablet. But through that cloud based gaming, even a good smartphone could be used to play or view the games. That in itself is cool as he'll. There was no slowdown or lag at all basically. They only encountered that a few times when first pairing up the controllers. That onlive controller seems like the ultimate controller for everything with it's wireless adaptive technology. Which sniffs out the best way to connect/pair up with whatever device you trying to use. This will only cost $49.99 for the controller. The OnLive app and services, playing any games, will be free. This is a huge deal for the mobile gaming scene. People can even play multiplayer through this cross platform. This is just what the mobile community needs to help address issue of more serious, hardcore games needed. So it won't come down to who has best hardware specs to use this service. It'll basically be who has the best looking display and the best Internet connection at the time for the optimal experience. He was even using a kindle fire to play the games. As soon as this app/service goes live, I'm hopping on the bandwagon asap. This will also free up space or moreso notuse any at all of storage. No need to download the huge games into internal storage. This will all be done thru the clouds servers n such. Trust me, I will be keeping a close eye on this for when it releases. It'll be so cool to play Batman Arkham city through my iPad or Prime tablet.

Thanks for linking that great info.

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Only the viewer is available at the moment for iPad/tablet devices. That was this article was talking about, that now tablets/mobile devices will now be able to play also n not just view. I think the app to be able to play is coming very soon. Supposedly the same day OnLive launches that new controller. Which will be able to be used to play the games thru tablet/mobile devices. Can't wait.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Blueman101:
The app is available right now, I just installed it on my Nexus One 30 minutes ago and was playing Arkham Asylum.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.onlive.client
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I just realized it when I went to their website. This is already available for android. Just not out for iPad yet..lol. I will try to get this on my Atrix4g. I couldn't find the app through marketplace though. I'll try your link in that'll work.

Edit: update, aww man, lol this is some b.s. It says my device incompatible. Reason, cuz I'm still on Froyo 2.2.2. Needs at least gingerbread 2.3 to play. It figures. I stayed on Froyo cause I'm already rooted n didn't want to go thru hassle or updating and redoing over everything. OTA update won't work for me as I got rid of bloatware and other essential stuff needed for OTA update. Only way I can update is through motorola site for hardwired update, which doesn't care if rooted or bloatware deleted. It overrides that check OTA update does, or by custom rom. I guess I can wait till I get my prime, for the ultimate experience. I've already signed up in everything so I'll be good to go once I get the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CyberPunk7t9:
Nvidia just released a preview showcasing the new possibilities with Tegra3 in the game Shadowgun.

Shadowgun will be released in Android market as a regular version and a Tegra 3-optimized one. Tegra3 version will feature high-quality water simulation, enhanced rag-doll physics, complex particle effects, soft-clothing simulation and more.

I've always wondered if Nvidia will port their Physx engine to ARM/Android games. I know Nvidia are dying to bring GPU-accelerated applications.

[youtube]QmvJxbHWZSU[/youtube]

For information on Nvidia's Physx Engine and in-game samples:

http://www.geforce.com/Hardware/Technologies/physx/videos

and..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9B_4qBAkk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] CandyNJ66:
I'm very jealous of you android owners lol since downloading the new OnLive App, have been playing Full console/PC games, buying/renting them, enjoying Free trials on their devices for 24 hrs now but alas, iOS in the cold. My android phone is very old & weak, so no Onlive for it.

I have my eye still on the Prime, would love to see Onlive demo'd on it and the TF101 as well. If anyone makes a video, please post a link, thanks! :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
Thanks!

This version looks a lot better than the one I'm using on my SGSII, and the physics used on the creatures dying is amazing in comparison. This video looks more like a console game to me. Impressive, and I cannot wait!

Now just to find out if I get the Tegra3 version for free, since I already bought the standard version. :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] The_Green_Android_Robot:
The Processor and the GPU are BOTH part of the Tegra 3 chipset. If you are going to troll, you should at least be more discrete about it. If you don't want to encounter android fanboys, GTFO THE ANDROID SECTIONS OF THE FORUM. Benchmarks are VERY DIFFERENT from real-life performance, and if you actually knew anything about hardware specs, you would know that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
I saw this and other YouTube vid. Of the pc version of Batman. The comparison videos with Physx effects on and off. Man, that physx gameplay element is Sick! Huge difference as this technology added to the game makes it so much more realistic. Game looks great without it but with it on, it takes it to a whole new level. Nvidia is a beast in the gaming industry. I don't doubt at all that Tegra 3 will more than exceed Everyones expectations. Like someone else said before, we shouldn't be surprised if Nvidia has some tricks up their sleeve to compensate for marginally less powerful gpu than iPad. Seeing these vids. Made me even more optimistic on gaming for Tegra3 and gpu accelerated apps.

Also can't wait to play this pc version of Batman through OnLive! I just downloaded Batman Arkam Asylum Lockdown for iPad. Looks pretty good but I'm sure a Prime/Tegra3 version of the game will be wayy better. Thanks for the link. Nvidia definitely impressed me and Tegra3 will upstage all the nonbelievers of it's power ;) lol
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jleewong:
Very nice video link, looking very good indeeed :).