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[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
That's different, though. iPhone, as much as I feel it's an antiquated device in terms of user experience, has massive mindshare and practically sells itself. Windows Phone is still fighting off perception of its YEARS of being stale, not evolving hardly at all (The PocketPC OS changed very little from 3.x to 6.x in terms of usability and appearance), as well as the bad rep MS gained over the years due to the high influx of malware.

That perception is changing thanks to Windows 7 and WP7, but they won't overcome the stigma of their past overnight. That's why Microsoft REALLY needs to step up their game and move on to the next version of their OS, with a massive new slate of features, as quickly as possible. They could look like they're standing still if they don't kick the pace up a few thousand notches.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister1:
If this is the case then I won't be continuing my contract with Verizon. They already charge up the ass as it. I'm am very happy with My Trophy but some day I might want to upgrade and Android or an iPhone is nu-acceptable to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's been a year for wp7. Ask yourself how the iPhone wad selling a year after release. You're just arguing for the sakenof argument. Facts are facts, plain and simple
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The iPhone didn't start off on fire?

..........?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Samsung Droid Charge - Arm Cortex A8

Samsung Stratosphere - Single Core 1GHz

Pantech Breakout - Arm Cortex A8

HTC Thunderbolt - Qualcomm MSM8655

LG Revolution - Qualcomm MSM8655

So they cannot support LTE without Dual Core huh? I see the post was editted while I was writing this. Nothing stops WP from supporting LTE and having a single core CPU.

And calls other people clueless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
You don't remember them having to drop the price ~$200 (off the top of my head) to move units? Sales picked up after that, but I don't think it really started to skyrocket until the 3G came out, which was around the same time the app store came into existence. Before that it was a phone... with an iPod.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
When it first came out it was selling for $600 with a contract, and Apple couldn't keep up with the demand. They have been camping outside of stores since the first iPhone. Sales have always been on fire.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
why'd they drop the price and credit back early adopters? Out of the kindness of their hearts? It wasn't selling well, fact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Trying to voice of reason here:

Of course it is a double standard. But Verizon stopped short of saying what they wanted to say:

"We do not want to carry poor selling phones especially if they do not have LTE."

You cannot really blame them. The iPhone could be the least tech forward phone in 2012, as long as it sells they will carry it. Of course if your only Windows Phone is the Trophy I am not sure what kind of killer sales you expect.

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True. I bought my first and only iPhone as soon as the price dropped. You did have campers, but I bet those were the Apple fans. Past that initial wave the phone tanked because it was too expensive at $599. And to be honest, they were ripping people off. Jailbreaking was unheard of, and $600 for a contract phone with a cool os and touchscreen but nothing amazing specs? Poor speakers and camera, no memory card slot or file transfer via bt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
it wasn't selling well, 250,000 on opening weekend with hundreds camped outside waiting? $600, and it wasn't selling well? Fact, it sold well for the price. Fact, they wanted to keep sales up, $600 with a contract is too much for any subsidized phone.

Fact, they cut the price and discontinued one model. Call it a good business decision, call it whatever, but you can't say it wasn't selling well. That's a fact.

If it's a fact the original iPhone wasn't selling well, then you must think orginal WP7 sales as a complete failure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Major product launches, especially something from a company that has as many loyal fans as Apple, are going to sell out regardless. It happens with video game consoles all of the time. The issue is ability to sustain sales, and it is a fact that Apple was not seeing the sustained sales that they desired.

It "sold well for the price" is like saying a fat girl as a cute face, it doesn't mean a damn thing. It didn't meet sales expectations and they had to adjust their business plan as a result.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You guys are the only people in the world that thinks the original iPhone didn't sell well. Name another smartphone that sold that much before the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I don't think anyone is saying the first iPhone didn't sell well, we're just saying it wasn't an immediate hit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
No no no no vet. You are not reading what is being said, whether purposely or otherwise. I bought a few iPhone 2Gs and regardless of what historical numbers will say I remember what happened and the infamous price drop is the elephant in the room.

The launch of the iPhone was wildly successful.

After that initial craze sales started to tank.

Apple dropped the price dramatically.

People that bought the iPhone at the insane price grabbed their pitchforks.

Apple announced rebates to early adopters.

The iPhone 2G went down in history as one of the best selling phones.

So that is the whole picture. You are both arguably right depending on which point you are arguing. But, and this is a loose parallel, would you say the Blackberry Playbook (dropped to $199 and Rim is slammed with orders) or the HP Touchpad (dead on arrival, dropped to $99, fenzy ensued) were successful?

So all P2 is saying is the iPhone sales did start to tank and Apple offered a huge price cut. Never again did they try to sell us on such an expensive base model.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I don't understand why wp7 guys (not refering to your post) immediately try to single out flaws in the iphone in every thread... when it does incredibly well in the areas suggested.

Reguardless of how good the iphone is doing, verizon wants some plan from microsoft about the future products and direction. Can anyone blame them, given the lack of publicly available sales numbers and slow uptake by consumers ?

Verizon isn't drawing lines in the sand, they are asking for a timeline for developement and release cycles for new sdk/hardware/something.

My 2 cents :)

drz ... if only it wasnt for the stators (sigh)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Don't forget that most iPhone users think their iPhone is already 4g. Over 50% last I checked.

And the only people buying WP are the ones that go in specifically looking for it. So they know the specs and are more tech savvy.

Verizon clearly wants to focus on 4g but iPhone gets leeway because iPhone users are really really stupid.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Mine's a 4G. ;) It isn't an HSPA capable phone, but is a 4th gen iPhone...lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Didn't work too well for Sony and their PS3...

The iPhone exceeded sales expectations.

All Apple did was realize Millions of sales at $200 subsidized > hundreds of thousands of sales at $600 subsidized.

They changed course, and it obviously worked well for them.

The iPhone was a risky proposition for them, period, TBH, since Palm/WinMo/RIM had such a huge grasp on the market and the smartphone market was really the domain of businessmen back then. The iPhone was a consumer oriented device.

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People don't just buy into smartphones anymore. They buy into ecosystems.

That's where Apple is very good. That's where Microsoft is very good with the XBox 360. They have good content on the console and partner with any and everyone to get it there.

They aren't quite there with WP7. Apple has been there for a while. Google has the same issue on Android. They're trying to get there.

And the bolded part is a bit harsh, don't you think.

Additionally, only CDMA phones suffer from the slow data speeds and that's because the hardware has theoretical max speeds compared to GSM radios from over half a decade ago. The HSPA iPhone 4 on AT&T can achieve twice the speeds of the Verizon/Sprint iPhones and the HSPA+ iPhone 4S doubles the theoretical max download speeds.

No one with common sense can expect Microsoft to waltz back into the Smartphone market with WP7 and get equal treatment as Android or iOS. That isn't even logical...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
No. Its not lte. It is hspa+ but not lte.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Same difference. HSPA+ networks deliver similar broadband speeds. LTE is simply Verizon's specific flavor ot 4G. I don't see AT&T or T-Mobile launching any devices that aren't either HSPA+ or LTE these days. Why should Verizon bend over for Microsoft. Apple's next iPhone will not be EvDo-limited. That's pretty much set in stone.

Also Marty's comment was a bit of a pun alluding to how people would refer to the iPhone (2G, 3G, 3GS, and people though the iPhone 4 would be called the 4G... The G stands for Generation but people tend to like redefining things :P so Apple dropped it).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Out of that list (2G, 3G, 3GS) the only misnomer is 2G. Apple did not call the 4 the 4G because I believe at the time the 4 was released 14.4mbps hsdpa was called near 4G and not 4G.

Here is a wiki quote: "On December 6, 2010, ITU recognized that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, it's cause 4G was a hot topic then, and they didn't want people to think 4G - which actually would have stood for "4th Generation iPhone" would have been mistaken for 4G. Don't think they wanted to be in the middle of the "fake 4G" debates that are still raging on about the interwebs...

That's why they call the new iPod Touch "iPod Touch 4th Gen" and it was released alongside the iPhone 4.

Not that it matters.

The S in 4S signifies that it's a Hardware refresh (similar design, revamped internals) as opposed to a redesign. They basically version their products, the same way Microsoft calls Mango 7.5 and Apollo will likely be 8.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
You also have to remember that Verizon is trying to fast track their adoption of true 4G using VOIP. Once they do that LTE will be used for voice and data so their EVDO and 1x networks will be redundant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Mmm, before you label iphone users as all being stupid, you might want to define what 4G is for yourself. You know, just for future reference. (There is no standard for "4G", and you are propegating ignorance, even while lambasting iphone buyers.) Yes, I had a nice LOL.

drz ... if only it wasnt for the stators (sigh)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Hmmmm, are you talking about 4G (marketing term, no standards) or LTE (very well defined, industry standard), HSPA, HSPA+, or ..... ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
real 4G like LTE Advanced and WiMAX2, current networks are either pre-4G (LTE & WiMAX) or 3.5G (HSPA+). The nice thing about current LTE and WiMAX phones is they can be updated further with just a firmware update while HSPA+ will never be more than 3.5G.

Based on an all-IP packet switched network.

Peak data rates of up to approximately 100 Mbit/s for high mobility such as mobile access and up to approximately 1 Gbit/s for low mobility such as nomadic/local wireless access, according to the ITU requirements.

Dynamically share and use the network resources to support more simultaneous users per cell.

Scalable channel bandwidth 5–20 MHz, optionally up to 40 MHz.[4][4][5]

Peak link spectral efficiency of 15 bit/s/Hz in the downlink, and 6.75 bit/s/Hz in the uplink (meaning that 1 Gbit/s in the downlink should be possible over less than 67 MHz bandwidth).

System spectral efficiency of up to 3 bit/s/Hz/cell in the downlink and 2.25 bit/s/Hz/cell for indoor usage.[4]

Smooth handovers across heterogeneous networks.

Ability to offer high quality of service for next generation multimedia support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G
[Windows Phone 7 General] circleofomega:
Being a MS user for some years, I can say one thing for sure, that MS has always taken its own sweet time to work on its products. This is a serious strategy error. In a world evolving so fast, (products launched today are announced with a teaser of what's going to come next) it's the first flaw you need to rectify in your marketing strategy.

Secondly, they need to be more aggressive. Look at Android. Everyone knows about it. How? Android exists in a stupid microMax mobile as well as in a Droid RaZr...see the large target audience it captures...

Apple is seen as a rich man's phone and it is happy being that way. Of course, it evolves with new device. People expect something from Apple and it delivers MUCH MUCH more than that. (PS - I am not an Apple fanboy, heck I haven't owned an Apple product nor do I intend to.)

BUT MS? No...they are in some deep slumber. Wake UP MS...buying some top profit making companies isn't the end. Its just the beginning of a process to make countless people happy around the world.

But on a + note, I love the WP7 device...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
excellent ! now to force-feed the marketing drones (it's starting to happen now) that they cannot say 4G/LTE interchangeably without some legal ramifications.

in store sales is already turning around on this. slowly, but they're getting the point.

my first LTE device will still be: dual core, full landscape qwerty, (of course LTE), 720p @ 120fps, 1080 @ 30fps, a 32Gb microsd, rooted, and immediately i'll ebay a 4000mah battery, cause well, you know, LTE :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
No. Lte is much faster than hspa+. Att h+ is 5mbps and lte is 20.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
I think the reason Microsoft is taking a slow LTE approach is due to Battery life like said before, my guess is both Microsoft and I know Apple have LTE devices in prototype stage, but both of them want to make sure battery life isn't as severly affected before they release them.

Either way, probably by Mid 2012, we will more than likely see (leaks or maybe even official releases) of LTE devices. Micosoft and Apple just don't want to do the old Release first and fix it later attitude that Android has done even though it does take longer. :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No. VoLTE is still a ways off. Dunno what you're talking about with VoIP. Verizon LTE phones (and some Sprint WiMax devices) achieve Simultaneous Voice and Data by using WiMax/LTE for the data stream and CDMA for the calls.

Until they have VoLTE, they will still need their EvDo/1xRT networks. LTE currently does not support Voice.

I dunno what you're talking about with VoIP, though...

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Neither of the technologies in use righit now are truly 4G. They're all technically 3.5G. However, consumers care only about speed. They can't be bothered to care about those technical details.

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No. AT&T has HSPA+ 21Mbps deployed rather widely. T-Mobile has HSPA+ 42 Mbps deployed rather widely.

The reason why LTE gets consistently higher speeds is because it's not backward compatible with CDMA/HSPA devices therefore there is less competition on the network. When LTE becomes "standard" the speeds will bottom out a bit (similar to how a fast cable internet connection bottoms out when lots of people sign onto the service, due to bandwidth sharing).

Some HSPA+ deployments (i.e. T-Mobile) are actually capable of similar max theoretical speeds compared to AT&T/Verizon LTE at the moment.

AT&T is deploying LTE right now, though...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Yes, T-mobile HSPA+ is theoretically 42mbps but you will get nowhere near that. It'll still be under 10mbps.

LTE is superior because of VoLTE. Google it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
voip is voice over IP. Right now Verizon and Sprint use EVDO for data and then fall back to 1x for voice calls, this is why you can't browse the internet and talk at the same time on them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Well, I was able to get this much information from the Verizon store manager:

Verizon doesn't want to invest any more money into its legacy network, but the old network is under extreme stress. Verizon want to move traffic away from its CDMA2000/EV-DO network and to its LTE network ASAP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Here is the problem with the logic in that

1st device - iPhone

2nd device - iPhone 3G

See? They did not name the 2nd iPhone the 2G. We really do not know why Apple called the phone after the 3GS the 4, but as of right now the only two phones they put a G after were the "3", which happened to be both 3G phones.

So logical guessing:

iPhone (1st one)

iPhone 3G - the 3G means 3G network since clearly its not the 3rd generation

iPhone 3GS - the 3G is maintained and the S means Super or Speed or whatever crazy name was floating in Jobs' head

iPhone 4 - I believe this stands for 4th one.

And since the 4 came out before near 3G speeds were included as 4G (since 4G from inception were LTE and WiMax) they avoided calling it 4G since, well it was not a 4G phone.

Who knows who is right, but it would not make sense to say they avoided 4Generation when none of the other Gs in the iPhone meant Generation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Where does Verizon have VoLTE deployed? Please do not try to debate with theoreticals.

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Gonna drop out and continue discussing it at the other forum. It's a better discussion there :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Google it. They've already begun testing. Ita not theoretical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
VoIP/VoLTE is nothing new, it's been in use for years. The only reason that I can think of for them using a new name (VoLTE) is because it's never been integrated into a major phone network before.

edit: VoLTE is how they deal with switching towers, roaming, etc. but both Verizon and Metro PCS will have devices using it by middle of next year. Verizon was showing it off about the same time their LTE network went live.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
They don't have any such devices now, and CDMA devices can't do it. That's my point. :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
I don't know what the big deal is about LTE,WiMax or whatever they are calling them. I'm perfectly happy with whatever the version of HSPA (+?) is that I'm getting on my T-mobile HD7, I know some people with actual HSPA+ devices and I'm able to get the same speeds they were getting in the same spots. I'm able to watch Netflix,music videos and online game on my Xbox so I'm fine with that. I would've been fine with EvDO Rev.B but since sprint doesn't have any plans to deploy it I left them especially since their EvDO Rev.A network has taken a big #2 in the last year. I think Nokia is working with both At&t and VZ on a 4G LTE enabled lumia 800 or 900 (hopefully 800 because I don't want them to have the 900)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
The big deal is, its faster. As our phones and bandwidth increases, video editing and uploading will become commonplace. Think about backing up the entire phone and memory card in 20 minutes , to the cloud. Speed man, speeeeed !

drz ... if only it wasnt for the stators (sigh)
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
Yea but it has a data cap sooo......
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Well, on Verizon you'll use up your monthly quota on data in those 20 minutes lol (25-30 min actually but close enough :p)
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
I like T-mobile's data rules better, use up the quota and u are just throttled rather than overcharged, some things don't count towards it as much as other things too. It took me 4 weeks to run up my 5GB limit and this is from extensive web browsing,video watching. It wasn't until I tethered to XBox and installed the dashboard update,played some games online and watched Netflix and music videos that really brought it up.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spovat:
someone here already mentioned that the GN screen isn't as black as the gs2 or nexus s. as in, a backlight is still visible on an all black background. can others confirm this? even better, can someone who owns both phones, or all 3, take a comparison pic? thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] juicytuna:
I have the Nexus and GSII side by side and there is no difference in the 'blackness' when the screens are switched off. AMOLED does not use a backlight; absolute black is represented by a switched off pixel.

One thing I have noticed is that in boot screen animation they use a grayish background rather than absolute black which is kind of stupid. Makes the screen look like a washed out LCD.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spovat:
i should have been more clear. i was referring to the screen in a switched on position with lets say an all black wallpaper. i know how amoled screens use a switched off pixel for blacks but some people on these forums have claimed that they are noticing a slight backlight, especially visible in the dark
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] brian85:
Galaxy nexus screen is pure black; however, it does seem to have more reflection when around light, and that light makes the pure blacks look not pure black.

But if you are in a dark area, blacks are pure black.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] deezid:
Well, it isn't. It is as black as my Plasma TV (Panasonic GW20)... ;)

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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jpalo:
Mine is clearly glowing when having pure black background. Like night and day difference compared to my Nexus S which has pure black. I try to take comparison photo of the two as I'm about to send my GN for warranty.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sinatosk:
myself noticed this although I'm not really concerned for now ( I own a nexus s )
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dirk:
So are the pixels 'off' or not..that is the question!

On the Battery test thread the all Black and all White screens were comparable in battery life, which i wouldn't expect.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] devadvance:
No, they are not off.

AMOLED screens have a minimum voltage applied when on. To turn a OLED pixel from fully off to fully on takes a lot more power. The contrast ratio of the sAMOLED screen is something like 100,000:1.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spovat:
thanks, I'd appreciate a picture to see the difference
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jpalo:
I guess the minimum voltage in GN has been increased at least compared to Nexus S. Here's comparison of my Nexus S (left) and GN (right). Pic is taken with 5 sec exposure. To be honest, the difference in that photo looks slightly bigger compared to what it is real life, probably because of that exposure time.

Black is from Dead Pixel Test apps black (second) screen. https://market.android.com/details?id=net.ujacha.deadpixel
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spovat:
aww that's kinda disappointing. I was really hoping for a pure black screen =/ you might be right about the minimum voltage increase being the cause of this
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spewy1:
Well mine is BLACK and those pictures on my gn may look grey but the black around the phones show jet black (as viewed on my gn) Trust me blacks are black!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
Disappointed, my Nexus S is really black.

Hope this is software issue and can be improved with future update.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kojaraty:
you are correct the blackness is not pure black as my galaxy s, strange as it is using same screen technology