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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] UpSpin:
thanks you for not answering my questions at all. Somehow I lose faith in the validity of your issues at all.

Strange that you compare OLED displays with LCD. No LCD on earth has a black as OLED, so if you compare OLED next to LCD at such sub-opimatl conditions you'll notice, that LCD won't even go as dark.

And never had any sort of backlight bleed? Just do a google search 'iPhone 4 backlight bleed' which are issues which are obvious.

I still can't see the issues on your pictures. I see artifacts and errors caused by the poor digital camera you used, just as buk_grudziadz nicely compared, thank you buk_grudziadz. But I don't see display failures and you don't seem to be able to show me them, else you would have done it already, or?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Well your whole comment seemed more like an insult than any help. How can't you see the issues on the screen? There is only one color on the whole screen, do you think it looks even? You and your friend are the first two people to complain about the photo quality, I'm not the best photographer and I don't know much about how to take good photos, but the problem is very visible. There are black lines, horizontal and vertical and dark smudges. I wish I knew how to take better pictures, even if I did know I don't have the phones since I returned them.

I have the third one left, but it's not that bad as the first two. If you want I can take a photo of it with a galaxy S2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] UpSpin:
maybe your phones have the issues, I don't know and I can't tell it.

It's impossible to tell if the photos were taken with a smartphone camera, which adds that much noise that any slight color failures get overshadowed.

Just as with the pictures buk_grudziadz has taken. The display in the photo taken with the DSLR looks perfect, which it is. The same display taken with the Desire Z looks wrong. It has artifacts, color distortion (green and red) seems to have banding, and is grainy (noise), but it isn't. The photo is totally misleading, just as yours are.

So by looking at your pictures your display looks wrong, but not because of the display, but because of the poor camera quality. You can't do better photos with a smartphone camera, even with a point and shot camera it's difficult, you need a DSLR with a large CCD/CMOS sensor and good optics to take reasonable pictures at such a low light. If you don't have one, ask a friend. But the photos you posted are useless, sorry.

Just take a look at the two photos buk_grudziadz posted and tell me, does the display in the photo taken with the Desire Z look faulty or good?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] epicfailguy2:
I think your problem is that you are a screen nazi. No screen is perfect. I myself found a dead pixel with your app that i never noticed.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] OrionBG:
BTW to my knowledge AMOLED displays don't have backlight and the pixels themselves emit light right? So if I'm right, how is it possible to even burn the image of the statusbar when Samsung uses black theme? black means pixels off. How can an image be burned in the display that way?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
@UpSpin

They did have those issues and I don't care if you think they "maybe" had those issues. Who the hell do you think you are coming here and being rude, questioning the validity of the issues I've had. I've been through hell with these phones complaining, sending them back, waiting for new ones and loosing money. You are not helping by complaining about the photos.

Do you really think someone would waste their free time on lying about some frickin issues on cellphones? The first person to answer this thread clearly could see them, and I wouldn't post those photos if they didn't look like EXACTLY what I could see with my own eyes. I posted those photos here a long time ago in another thread and nobody complained about the quality. They all saw the issues, many of them had the issues too.

I'm on my third galaxy note and it does have these issues, but luckily not as visible as the first two. When using the same camera I used before and the same settings on the new galaxy note, the problems are barely visible. It doesn't give the new phone some banding or artifacts.

Now these issues was mostly visible when using the lowest screen brightness with grey or white colors (picture yourself reading a book or browsing the internet). It was really annoying and a quality phone from the best phone company shouldn't have those issues.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Thank you for your comment, it really helped me. Seriously though, my problem is that I care about quality, clearly some people don't judging by your comment. If I pay 500+ euros for a phone with an amazing 5.3" AMOLED HD screen from the best phone company in the world, I don't expect to have problems out of the box. And if you did read my first post you would see that the third galaxy note I have has those issues but not as much as the first two and I am FINE with it. I was just pointing out that all of the gnotes I received had those issues, more or less and I wanted to know if other people had those too.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
@UpSpin

Question, do you have the Galaxy Note?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] UpSpin:
You're right, maybe it's not a burn-in, rather a wear? The pixels on the status bar might wear out mor slowly than those on the rest of the screen, thus at such low light situations the different wear get's by very close look visible.

I wasn't rude at all, contrary to you.

Sorry, but that's not believable. Those pictures can't look like the real display, it's physically impossible, that those image you've posted, full of grain and artifacts caused by the poor CMOS and optics in your smartphone look like the real display.

To proof you wrong, yes, contrary to you, I'm able to proof my statement, tell me if the display in the photo taken by buk_grudziadz with his Desire Z! looks faulty. It's full of artifacts, color banding, noise, ..., just like your pictures.

Maybe because they know where to look, maybe they're able to filter out the noise added by your poor smartphone camera because they know how it should look like in reality, but I don't know how a fault Galaxy Note display looks like, because mine looks fine.

It might be annoying, but maybe it's a physical limitation. Just like all iPhones have a backlight bleeding because they use a LCD, or just like every LCD has no real black but only a grey as black, also only visible at such extreme conditions. I don't see people complaining that their iPhone 4S display doesn't display blacks.

I'm not helping you? How can I help someone who has a perfectly working device (again, I don't know it, that's why I'm complaining about your pictures, because based on them, no one can jugde about the quality of the display). If people complain about that their LCD doesn't show real black, well, it's because it isn't able to. Maybe the AMOLED display isn't able to do what you want. But based on the pictures you posted, I can only say: The display looks fine, your camera sucks.

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Do I have one? I own a HTC Desire, my father owns the galaxy Note, so yes, I have one :D

A picture taken with a semi DSLR, no real DSLR, but a higher quality digital camera. Only thing I post processed was the white balance, to reflect the real color difference between both HTC Desire Amoled and Nexus Note Super Amoled, at the grey settings and lowest brightness.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/815/dsc09188g.jpg/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] epicfailguy2:
Yes but the question is, did you notice the defect without the app ? In normal usage ? If not why thtow to the trash bin a perfectly functional screen and waste several earth ressources ? Especially for a phone that won't last you more than a year or two.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Ok I get it, I kinda understood you didn't like Apple or iPhone from your first post pretending you didn't know what camera was used as it is clearly stated on the pictures. Wonder if that's what got me into this pointless interrogation.

So you think that the first two phones I got had perfect screens and then I used a "bad quality" iPhone camera to see how the screens would appear on the iPhone photos and from there I started to complain about the screens and returned them etc? Man, sorry, but you are delusional and a bit paranoid.

The screens were defective, they had dark horizontal/vertical lines and smudges all over the screen. They were noticeable with white and grey colors and mostly in the dark with low screen brightness. The pictures show exactly how they looked and green and red/pink color hue were also visible from my eye, but the grain wasn't there obviously, never thought somebody couldn't think further than that. I don't win anything on lying, if you don't trust me stop posting in this thread, you have done nothing but piss me off. And frankly, I don't have anything to prove to you, I don't want your help.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Yes, I noticed it without the app. Mostly when I was reading books at night and browsing the internet. I would never get the idea to download an app about fixing pixels if I didn't have a problem. I will be keeping this phone... but the gyroscope man.. the gyroscope!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kwanying:
That's why I always buy at shop and for samsung phone just dial *#0*# to check for defects.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
I will definitely do that next time.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DMax99:
I'm going to have to agree with SrAdama here.....There is no way that he and I can be so lucky to get 2 or 3 BAD screens in a row, and I have NEVER had any problems with phone screens before until GNote.

If I have paid over $730 AUD for a phone, I expect at least if the first one is bad, I can accept, but if the second one is also bad?! It is unacceptable. Especially when I had to spend another $75 AUD for the return postage....

Come on...think about it...if I decided to return the phone again for replacement...I will have to pay for another $75 AUD....So that will end up to be more than $850 AUD for just one phone. That's quite expensive...who here will be willing to pay that?!

So....I don't believe that we are just unlucky....there has to be more than just luck to this issue...!!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
I bought mine from amazon.de also... I live in sweden I did install the ap....I see no dead pixels ...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DMax99:
Arrrgghhhh...not happy with Samsung
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
The screen is not made to be looked at with a Loupe... the ultimate experience you get when you have your eyes with some distances from the screen..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DMax99:
I don't think mine came up a day after....because i'm pretty sure I have checked the screen on the first day when I got the phone....so...there are still chances that they might come up...:p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
But do you see dark horizontal and vertical lines or any smudges (fläckar) when using it at low brightness in the dark?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Same here, I didn't notice any dead pixels at first.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Funny, but no sir, I didn't have to use a loupe to see the defects.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Reminds me of apple users.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DMax99:
lol.....I wish I can do that too..but every time when I look at my screen, even at a distance....my eyes just naturally attracted to those dead pixels....easy said then done mate :(

ever seen Austin Powers with the guy with a mole on his face?!! Moley...Moley...Moley...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
The vertical lines, I have only seen when I did try to do a black picture on the home screen..this is a known bug and not hardware related... from what I know it is a 16/24 bit problem..the screen is 24 bit the OS is 16bit..

When trying to find smudges.... you need to be sure that the picture is absolute black.. for instance I took some pics with the camera which I thought was black..but I guess no all pixels was Zero..with that specific pic I found the smudges looked very strange..but then I did take another pic with the camera...this time it was pitch black...and no smudges..

But I did try this from wikipedia which I expect is true pitch black..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Solid_black.svg

You see the smudges with this also ??? Cause I have seen the smudges only with a pic I self took with the camera holding my finger..obviously it was not pitch black pic... The only thing close to "smudges" would be my finger marks...

And from what I notice that screen is not pitch black really... atleast not if the above pic from wikipedia infact is 100% pitch black then I can see a difference when I turn on/off the screen with that pic zoomed in to fullscreen... so no the screen is not pitch black really...but it is perceived as pitch black in normal circumanstaces and in light... it is very very close to black...but yeah there is an obvious difference when you turn off the screen and compare...but the black I still consider very impressive.. and if you use the phone in normal light there is no way in hell you will notice the difference.. When I watch for instance movies that is not widescreen that is 4:3 I do not see the black frame at all..it looks totally pitch black...

I still think before you give up you must consider there might be a lot of strange software related problems...despite what you think... if you did return the phone only because the vertical lines problem..then...it would not be a valid reason..cause...it is because of the Android incompatibility with 24 bit screen (as far as I understand it). I think a lot of screen related problem can indeed be fixed with software... the vertical lines bug makes me more sure about that probability.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
I think I understand what you mean, I too can see small black spots stuck on the same places on my screen when displaying a black picture, which means that the pixels doesn't really turn off when displaying the color black or that not all of them do turn off. But that doesn't really bug me that much as it's hardly noticeable. However they do indicate that there is screen issue with this phone, either with the quality or manufacturing process.

I understand the 24-bit and 16-bit issue, but the lines and smudges I could see on my phones did not move, they were stuck on the same place on the screen as if they were burnt in, right out of the box. All three phones had/have different shapes of lines and smudges so it can't be a software issue, must be the quality of the led lights, a hardware issue.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
have you emailed samsung about it...you need to talk with the designer team... ? You need to get expert help..from samsung themselves only really them know the hardware for real...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
@UpSpin

I understand your opinion that one needs a camera that is twice more expensive than the phone to actually prove a defect over the internet, I've been through that kind of discussion since the Galaxy S1 days

You may have never experienced any faults with a SAMOLED device thats why you can be very dismissive about these things, I was on that side of the fence when I had my first 2 SAMOLED device, it was absolutely perfect and I was even dismissive of people posting screen issues on their Galaxy S1 and Samsung Wave, when I had the Galaxy S2 I understood how those with screen issues felt.

Anyway long story short, his photo's seem to show a shade of grey color which shows some pinkish tint at the bottom and greenish at the top and I also see the faint horizontal lines on the other screen. We all have different standards and expectations for a $700 device dont let his or my expectations be yours.

Heres a picture of how my screen renders greys.

and yes there is a greenish tint which is actually getting worse at the bottom, very visible with the stock keyboard, dialer and market.

The only thing I can do is to have this replaced which I'll be doing later on.

EDIT:

Id like to add that bumping the brightness levels to like 65~75% either fixes the green tinting on the bottom and red bleeding at the top, this would either mean that the grey is drowning out the color bleeding OR the OLED cells in that area is getting the correct amount of power to render colors properly.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Do you know who I should contact specifically?

I did call Samsung Sweden a few weeks ago, the customer service didn't even know what the Galaxy Note was. Might have been because it hadn't been officially released in Sweden... They told me I would have to send the phone to them and wait 2 weeks!!!

If the problems I have with my current Galaxy Note gets worse I'll definitely send it to them.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
Sucks, my Note has none of those issues. You' ve got some bad luck man.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maungmaung.phyo:
Samsung after sale service has always been poor.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
you usually get more help if you contact with global site...

Or american or any bigger country.

Anyway...You should ask if you can have a dialoge with the team behind the galaxy note, the team who did design it and who knows the hardware..they are the only people who know what is software related and not...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Im my own experience so far they've been very helpful to me especially with the Galaxy S2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
well the note have 2 year warranty..that is kind of generous..but feel good to know..cause the price we have paid for this device.. you get a flat tv for these money.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
In my place it only has 1 :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] OrionBG:
Here in Bulgaria the law prohibits anything to be sold with under 24 months or warranty! :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maungmaung.phyo:
Every country should have this law!

Sent form my P1000 with ICS Alpha
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Spots before your eyes

This is an important point.

Zeroing in with a microscope is not a test of screen quality. All screens will show characteristic artifacts under magnification. Resolution varies with veiwing distance and screen size. Look at any HD TV from 12" away and see the artifacts, then go back to a sensible distance and sit down and enjoy Hi Definition. You weren't meant to view your screen with a microscope. It's like someone who does this and afterwards can't enjoy their TV because they know that close up, it looks like crap. All displays are illusion makers. It's just a question of how good the illusion is, and the Note's HD Super Amoled makes very good images while using low power.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Braxos:
You have bought a flat tv 5.3 inches big/small.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
And Hi Def too!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
So I checked the store's demo unit and it had MORE faint horizontal lines but they were finer, they actually vanish at about 50% brigthness but at low brightness the unit they had was much more worse than mine.

I usually view my screen about and 11-13" away from my face, viewing it upclose kinda hurts the eye due to the sheer brightness even at lowest.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Who is using a microscope? :confused:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] sdelliott31:
I think the picture quality is poor and could be the major contributor to this problem. It appears a weak flash went off which will over saturate items like the menu bar at the top of picture 4 and then darken below. It's just not consistent enough. I'm not bashing but I agree with Upspin.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Read the whole thread before you post an ignorant comment. In short, I wouldn't post those photos if it didn't look like that with my own eyes. The grain was not there, of course, I never thought people couldn't realize that themselves. And no flash was used when taking the photos, lol. Some people and their paranoid ideas...

EarlZ posted a better photo with a quality camera without grain (you would've seen it if you read the whole thread..), look at that one instead and tell me if yours have the same problem. Thank you.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] zkyevolved:
Yup! I have had bad batches in the past.

I have have had one and only one SGS2, before my SGS2 I got sick of my iPhone 4 because I had it broke 4 times. The first time bad bad bad battery (3 hours of idle and 70% had gone), the next one the screen burnt out, the next one CAME broken (transport I imagine from apple), and then the last one had a faulty home button (sometimes worked sometimes it didn't)... Then on the next new one I got I sold it as it was brand new in box and everything. Got my SGS2, never looked back :) Now I'd like a Note, and I'm debating it. But to be honest, even the oh holy apple gets their devices wrong (even a year and a half after it's first release). So it's normal to get duds every once in a while.

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I don't think you're out of line. If they were giving them away for free, I'd accept a few dead pixels, scuffed up or whatever. But you're paying A LOT of money for a device. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for what you're asking. I'd return mine as many times as necessary until I get a perfect one. That's how I am, too. regardless, from having the desire, the sgs2 and having a lot of friends with the SGS, I think it's somewhat normal to have A (singular) dead pixel. I personally don't have any dead pixels on my SGS2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DMax99:
Would you return it as many times as necessary if you have to pay $70+ postage each time??!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] crazy talk:
are these problems immediately visible? or do they take time to appear?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cenkaetaya:
hey guys i was planning to get a note in the next week but these issues are making me rethink this...

is it possible these problems appear after having it for 1, 2 .. 3 months.

i plan to buy the device in HK and then return to the USA, so i am not sure how easy it of possible to use the warranty after.

do you guys think this is an issue that will get worse over time or show up after sometime. i have never had a device with amoled; currently have xperia arc.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
For me they appeared right out of the box. The defects aren't that visible on the third one I have now, which is why I'll be keeping it. But I wouldn't be surprised if it got worse with time. I don't know if Samsung have international warranty so I would check the phone in HK before buying it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
I'll go with the theory that there was one or more bad batches. But really, if they are releasing a new phone they should do better quality control of their products before they release them. If I get one phone that is bad, and the replacement is not defective, then I'm fine. But three in a row... that's messed up.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cenkaetaya:
have you looked at this screen thread?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1336187&page=36
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MartijnMM:
Same problem here :-(

I can live with it...

But the video quality really make me bring it back, really bad black values + way more banding then previous devices.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SrAdama:
Yes I have.

You can live with that??? That looks awful.... :(

But yes, the bad video quality is almost reason enough to send it back...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
WOAH whats up with your screen? Exchange that for a new one dude....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rr5678:
I'd be a screen Nazi too if I paid $600 for a phone.

Wir müssen der Defekten Ausrotten (We must exterminate the defects)