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[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] randyreed1971:
This is a hard decision! So going on the android market right now is a no go? But if you root it you can side load apps from the market? Can you surf the web with it right now the way it is? So what would you guys get? If they get past the bootloader problem, which I am sure they will, the only other advantage to the tablet besides the speed is the built in "mic" which later on could be used to talk while using the keyboard, (maybe) similar to the way a cell phone works? Just trying to weigh my options! Just trying to decide which one I want to get right now!

Can you side load the android market right now?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] ylixir:
The market is fine for my uses. Apparently there are a few apps that don't show up but meh.

You can surf the web with the thing out of the box, no rooting or side loading required.

And yes the difference between the color and the tab is speed and the mic. The color is alright speedwise if you get a decent rom on it, and tweak it but it's still slow compared to the tab, even with B&N's relatively clunky interface. Also getting the color running at a decent pace takes a lot of effort, impacts battery life (think overclock) and it still has it's limits.

The bootloader is a huge issue though. If you want to run custom roms, i really can't recomend the tab.

If you just want to watch movies, surf the interwebs, or read books/comics/magazines, then I would highly recommend the tab. The nook color is a very special piece of hardware, but it's showing it's age with it's speed. The kindle fire might be better for hackers, but the display on the nook is...well...amazing. Take five minutes with a fire at target or something, then stop by B&N and play with the tab, you will see what i mean. The difference is huge.

To me the decision just came down to the display. The nook's is amazing, the fire's sucks. Since it's mostly a content consumption device, even if i was running custom firmware, the display is the most important part.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] aarrgus:
Once you get the market on the Nook Tablet, you can use the market to get your android apps. And yes, some apps don't show up in the market for one reason or another, but you can usually find ways around those issues and it's not a common thing from what I have seen.

For example, I had purchased the Slingplayer for my Android phone a few months ago. Once I rooted my tablet, got the market loaded, and signed in the market showed me Slingplayer all ready to download and install... and it works perfectly.

The biggest question you want to ask yourself is "What do I need the tablet to do?" If you consume a lot of Amazon content, the Fire is the choice. If you need a tablet that will go with custom roms sooner rather than later, then the Fire is a better bet. If you plan on loading a lot of your own content, or use the B&N content, then the Nook Tablet is going to be your choice. And finally if you don't mind tweaking a rooted tablet around the existing setup instead of needing custom roms or can be pretty patient in waiting, then you will do fine with a Nook. And just as an example, my Nook Tablet is going to end up replacing my iPad. I still have a couple of things to do to get it where I want it, but I'm pretty confident that's it is a perfect replacement for my iPad, even at this stage (rooted and tweaked by apps).
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] nando99:
Thanks for the info, can we get some more :)

Is there a certain thread you followed to get your tablet to where it is now or would you be willing to put together some kind documentation to get the tablet like yours? Honestly, I'd (and a few others more then likely) would just need a set of steps we can follow... sorry for being a noob.

thanks in advance
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
If figure that this would be the place to ask these questions considering that there is no general HTC forum on this board and that I expect a decent amount of conversation about hboot and S-OFF to converge here. My questions are about the boot process and the specifics about how the RTOS that operates the baseband runs on HTC's new devices.

1: I have learned that on most phones, the baseband processor and the application process boot and operate independently of each other. If I am correct, HTC is using Qualcomm's Snapdragon SoC in its newest devices, which includes a higher level of integration between the baseband and application processors. They may even be indistinguishable as far as I know. hboot is not verified by the hardware but verifies any updates to itself, as far as the Flyer is concerned. Knowing that S-OFF allows for the loading of custom radio firmware implies that hboot verifies the baseband's software, and therefore is the absolute root of trust of trust on HTC's devices. What mechanism allows the baseband software and the Linux kernel to run side-by-side without interfering with the other's processes? The only way I can see this working is if a hypervisor is running on the device or the baseband has more privileges.

2: Revolutionary changes S-ON to S-OFF whereas Unrevoked could only patch one of the bootloaders (I think) to ignore secuflag because secuflag was inaccessible. This appears to contradict the statement in the above paragraph that hboot is the root of trust and loads both the baseband firmware and the application firmware. Which is it or is there something I am missing?

3: What is the difference between hboot and the SPL (Secondary Program Loader, I believe. Think HSPL.)?
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
I am bumping this thread.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Another bump.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
And another one.
[HTC Sensation] xdviper:
Your best bet would be asking Agrabren on twitter. He's been working on getting S-OFF before we got Revolutionary to give the S-OFF. If you look at he EVO 3D forums, there was a lot of chatter and PDF files on how everything was linked together. Since the EVO 3D and Sensation are pretty much the same except the Ram and 3D features, it's the same work.

Edit:There was also an PDF file with the schematics of everything on the motherboard and how everything connected, what booted what. I'll try to find it and I'll private message it to you and post on this thread.

Also, on HTC devices as far as I know, the Radio is the trust of everything, It controls everything on the device. Ever since the G2 was released (this is when they introduced some heavy duty locks and wasn't easy as previous devices), I've also been following up on how everything is controlled on these phones. During the 2 months that it took devs to gain S=OFF, I've read IRC logs and tried everything and got a good idea of how everything works.

But here's what I know. Once the radio is S=OFF then we have *COMPLETE* control over our phones. With the bootloader S=OFF and radio S=OFF, we can still flash recovery, different ENG bootloader but cannot flash any unsigned radio images.

When the phone boots up though, I know the first thing that is booted is the radio, then bootloader, kernel, and OS. (I might have missed one or two more things that's also booted and checked).

The bootloader also checks kernel, and system partition if they are signed with HTC's private keys. If the system partition is changed on a device with S=ON, the system will be changed the way it was back from the factory, this is the reason we have temp root.

Also the baseband has it's own processes in Android and Android will never allow you to modify the radio while it's booted.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Through my conversations with globatron, I was under the impression hboot was the root of trust.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Does anyone else care to comment?

Edit: I have seen some custom radios for HTC's Android phones. What the mechanism is, I don't know.
[HTC Sensation] abrisham:
Yes,I'm follow u
[HTC Sensation] drazoyu:
that's an interesting question.. i'll have to follow and do some research on it myself
[HTC Sensation] agrabren:
That's more in-depth than I know. What I *do* know is that the s-off flag is kept in the NVRAM. Who reads it and uses it? Probably the radio first.

EDIT: Definitely the radio first, because if you flash an ENG bootloader then go back to S-ON, it bricks the device.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Is that because the radio boots first?
[HTC Sensation] xdviper:
Yes, as agabren pointed out, the radio sets the security keys. If you have a S-off radio then you're pretty much free.

That's also why most devs attack the radio first to gain FULL control of the device.

Even if the bootloader sstates its locked, only the bootloader is, not the radio.

The radio is the most important. The best thing you could do is search for the G2 s-off irc logs. There's a website (I forgot) by a dev that mapped out everything. How everything works on HTC devices. I'll try to find it.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
I has been hoping that hboot was first. I don't like the baseband-application architecture. I don't like designs with two or more independent systems. Just a matter of taste (as dumb as that sounds).

I have another question: does the radio boot hboot or are the two processes started separately at boot time?
[HTC Sensation] djnero666:
Hi,

I own a HTC Sensation, but the bootloader shows UNLOCKED, S-ON and hboot 1.23.0000. I wanted to get the S-OFF. Can you help me? Or wait for the new issue in the Revolutionary?

Thanks
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Start a new thread. I am really sick of replies that have nothing to do with the topic.
[HTC Sensation] Rhiannon224:
You need to flash an older h boot, 1.17, however, if you used HTC unlock method I am not sure about s off using Revolutionary, it used to not be possible. IDK, maybe it's changed now.
[HTC Sensation] Master Melab:
Does the NVRAM reside on a separate chip?
[HD7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] messdup:
just wondering if this sd flash drive http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Cru...A9N6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1323028523&sr=8-1

can be used to goldcard flash hd7 device the tutorial only mentions using old phones which i dont have t.i.a

BlessedFromMessed
[LG Optimus 2x] infestedd:
just broke my galaxy s for the third time, so i think its time to move on. i have to decide to move to an optimus 2x, or an atrix. what u guys think? From what i saw, optimus have a better camera, what means a lot for me, lg have the best cellphone cameras imo. atrix have what it seens a little more speed and more space (16gb)

what do you guys suggest me?
[LG Optimus 2x] DarthD:
I would not but a LG ever again. Imho Sony camera is much better.
[LG Optimus 2x] infestedd:
sony camera is cool too, but locked bootloader and still no dual core phone (or am i late?)
[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
o2x imo is better than the atrix, the atrix has more memory so if that's what your after then get that, i love the design and shape and size of my o2x and if it wasn't for the ****ty lg support and nvidia ****ing with us by holding back vital drivers needed for ICS dev then this phone would be the best iv ever had.

The camera is pretty great iv never seen the atrix camera so cant compare tho.

The benchmarks tests always seem to show the o2x to be ahead of the atrix even tho they both have a tegra 2 chipset.

But with the customs roms this phone is pretty decent, its fast responsive, get a custom home screen and it will be smooth as you can imagine, the lg home screen is rather choppy but i use it because i like the way you can organize apps and games into separate category rather than just throwing them together into a big mess if you can do that with adw or go launcher then someone please tell me how so i can switch.

I only paid £200 for my o2x brand new so i cant complain too much, defo worth it compared to the 400-500 they are asking for that overpriced crap called the sgs2, decent phone.... ****ty price tag, no phone is worth that much.
[LG Optimus 2x] Mungulz:
In Australia there are close to no people using Optimus 2xes due to no one selling them on plans/contracts. Every second person has a galaxy s2 though so they can't be that bad.

I would lean towards avoiding the atrix due to the locked bootloader. Apparently there's a 50% chance of bricking it.
[LG Optimus 2x] paul_cad44:
If you can get it for £300 or less this is an amasing phone with cyangemod on it. Nvidias playing ball now so ics will be brill on here. Theres even rumours that yhe cm team have a alpha build of ics all features working minus camera. Its looking rosey and bright for this phone. I love it plays everything i throw at it, games, vids and music :)
[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
That for the g2x and since the nvidia hal drivers havnt been released i seriously doubt it works very well.
[LG Optimus 2x] infestedd:
ok guys, really thanks! the optimus 2x have an open bootloader right? man i think i flashed my sgs more than 100 times.
[LG Optimus 2x] syzwn9:
better go for the s2..lg support is sh*t
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
It's quite possible that they sent RC what he needed, he's been asking them since day one, and is a serious coder, rather than the 'cook' type 'dev'.

I would say get one, the stock GB is apparently much improved over froyo, and CyanogenMod is just great, that's the reason I bought mine in the first place.

If I hadn't have managed to get a freebie, I'd keep mine.
[LG Optimus 2x] friz:
For its money LG O2X is the best phone;).
[LG Optimus 2x] kabecilhas:
Please, don't buy that phone!

It's have the worst supported in the WORLD.

Nvidia and LG = S**T

I sell my phone, and Im really happy with that choice.

And I don't wanna see that phone again.

The best choice for you is the HTC, more beautiful and intuitive homescreen, custom roms, etc...

And forget about the Galaxy S2, this only good because the Super Amoled, and Camera, nothing more...

Cumps
[LG Optimus 2x] infestedd:
ok, so i think i will choose atrix, since sg2 is too expensive for me
[LG Optimus 2x] Mungulz:
Lol no don't. the Optimus is better than the Atrix.
[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
Wow....have you been reading, gl with that crap an its locked bootloader.
[LG Optimus 2x] Mungulz:
Yeah common trend, people ask for advice then ignore it and buy whatever they want. Perhaps this thread will be useful for those whose stumble across it on Google.
[LG Optimus 2x] WRXRB320:
Yes you should buy it, looks great and does what its supposed to in no time. Got mine today and it came with Gingerbread out the box. :)
[LG Optimus 2x] devil.jeet:
gr8 phone..

dude its a lovely phone.. go for it.. with stock gingerbread, its awesome no more stupid issues..
[LG Optimus 2x] vadonka:
the htc high end smartphones not near as fast like the o2x or the sgs2, the hardware component quality is low, if htc not change that it will be died. maybe the rom is good but it just candy.. if you want a phone what is broken often go ahead and buy a htc. i had many htc, i never ever want again.

sgs2 it will be a good choice if isn't very overpriced. by the way the samsung company almost act like the apple, soon booth company will be in the android users blacklist. o2x is a good choice but the stock lg rom is a crap, you need to flash one of the custom roms!
[LG Optimus 2x] PG101:
You obviously havent tried the sensation ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
Lol the o2x is better and i believe he was partially talking about the sensation.
[LG Optimus 2x] yanyu:
LG phones are good on paper.

Good CPU, good ram, good screen, Good Price.

BUT

Quality Control is ****, Stock Software is SHIIIIT

if you got a good unit, and knows how to flash,

you find a deal.

Other wise, stay away with LG

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HTC Amaze 4G and Rezound is good
[LG Optimus 2x] radarist:
Bought mine few weeks ago. Had my doubts, as 2x was released quit a long time ago, especially considering how fast the phones these days are evolving.

Considering the price I paid for it, I'm more then happy with it. Switched from Desire S and I honestly can say 2x is better.
[LG Optimus 2x] thihaz:
HTC?

Frankly, I used to own 2 HTC phones HTC magic and still very popular HTC HD2. I got to say LG's support is way better than lousy HTC's. And Samsung's support is much much better than LG's. At least in Singapore. I will never ever buy HTC phone. So pls avoid HTC. Thanks. :D
[LG Optimus 2x] bugeyes:
WWOOOTTTT!!

Just bought an Optimus 2x off ebay second hand immaculate condition with two spare batteries £155!!! sweet thats less than i paid for my defy! :D

Anyone after a Defy? lol
[LG Optimus 2x] PhilK5:
Ironic. I actually had a chat with the feller selling that. Seemed a decent enough bloke.

Bought mine brand new off Amazon for £199
[LG Optimus 2x] drpele:
The O2X is a very good phone if you are willing to use custom ROMs.

Stock LG software is a joke...
[LG Optimus 2x] bugeyes:
Wow, what are the odds on that happening!

I'll let you know if I bought a turkey or not, ho ho ho! (sorry!)
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
The shipping ROM is a joke, stock 2.3 seems OK. Not that we'd be here if we liked stock, though.
[LG Optimus 2x] black_mamba99:
performance benchmarks of HTC phones are not as good as galaxy series or O2X

Perhaps being a former HTC user.....the only awesome thing is the sense UI and the build quality.

phones like incredible S and desire S cant even record 25fps on 720p....

their camera's are the worst.(only amaze cam is good)

also battery is average as well.

rest things are pretty average
[LG Optimus 2x] indyroid:
I love my O2X - it serves me as a good experimental phone/toy to keep playing with plus comes easy on the pocket. An overall good package.

The only feature, if I miss anything at all is USB OTG - but I'm hopeful that one of our kernel devs will soon enable USB OTG.

I love the way the HDMI and micro-USB slots are different so you could play movies on a big screen and at the same time keep your phone charging. This is unlike the similar level Galaxy phones who has micro-USB for both HDMI and charging/transfer.

+1 for O2X
[LG Optimus 2x] Lox_Dev:
Suggestions ? No.

One suggestion ? Yes: don't.

It is the worst phone I owned, with the worst implementation of android, the worst battery life and the worst support from the manufacturer.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] soljafree:
Any chance of getting a modified camera apk to get the power button as a shutter button had it on my droid charge and loved it
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Caseyk621:
+1
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kindrudekid:
Yeah same here it takes too much time to focus also
[Motorola Droid RAZR] KromanReturn:
+1
[Motorola Droid RAZR] soljafree:
Talked to the dev that made the modded camera for the charge and said when we get some free time he will look into it once i send the apk for the camera has anyone found any restrictions for the camera as i havent found any
[Motorola Droid RAZR] LLuisLA:
Would love to see this feature!

Sent from my DROID RAZR. >Google Ron Paul<
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigJohn561:
i cant use wifi or mount my phone to my computer via usb please help the rom is nice but this is really bothering me
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbondoc:
Come on man, read before you post, wifi and mass storage are some things currently not working on that rom :rolleyes:
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GazaIan:
If you could read, you'd see it doesn't work yet....
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saranhai:
If you can't even read, then I don't see why you're even here...
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] invasion2:
^ Exactly what I was thinking!
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jaysun3000:
it is working in recovery mode
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tradeware:
Daily use

I'd love to be able to post in the dev sections of my experience on the beta ICS that everyone is testing...

Google Maps is very glitchy...

GPS is inaccurate...

1 Random reboot when opened the webbrowser..

FC on Google Music ICS version (seems to not wanna sych with my gmusic account)

When do i get to post in dev :)
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark manning:
Hopefully never..... jk, i think after 10 posts or something like that
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pompeiisneaks:
Remember, its BETA... Yes I used it for a while today, and thought it looks awesome, but right there in the 75 pages of posts, it says its still not working with wifi or usb. Hopefully beta 4 will come soon. I also had a lot of lockups and bluetooth calling worked but hung at the hang up and I had to drop the battery to reboot... but its really coming along nicely!
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jms122589:
Like every one has said...its time to go through the thread like a big boy :) but for real I feel like if you want to port a rom look through at least the last 5-7 pages and see what the most current issues are, and read through the change logs that are conveniently in the description the ROM is in beta 3 and those things you said just simply don't work so from now go to the thread every so often and see what changed your questions shall be answered!
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luminatio:
I am having the same problems as (tradeware) is having, but I do acknowledge that is being worked on.

By the way it is 10 post to gain access to the dev thread.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigJohn561:
Thanks I kinda jumped the gun on downloading it then I couldn't flash cwm so I thought I was stuck but I changed it back the old fashioned way but anyhow thanks for responding without hatred or sarcasm like these other a holes
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 78triton:
Im so waiting for this to be 100 percent im so excited
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HalfBlindHalfAmazing:
Just wanted to know if this rom included the newest accessibility features from android 4.0? It's called "explore by touch", its a screen reader for people who are blind or visually impaired which is much like Apples VoiceOver. This would be very useful to me because I'm legally blind and Android accessibility is horrible at this point in time....
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ARey1212:
Boot into recovery "Hold down button on the volume with the power buttom" go to advanced, mount and storage, and mount usb storage
[LG Optimus 2x] leonclement:
Hi, i hope someone can help,

When i am in a call (eg. ANZ phone banking) and i am asked to enter my rego number and pin, they dont recognise the numbers i have entered, the same happens to other calls when i am asked to enter numbers.

This happens about 75% of the time, the very odd time it will work, i have tried both 2degrees & vodafone SIM, 2g and 3g, i have tried all different roms & basebands, froyo & GB etc, i have even loaded a stock KDZ rom, still the same result, WEIRD!!

Please help,

Cheers
[Dell Streak 7] djl2011:
OK a couple months ago i installed DJsteves honeystreak rom, restored back to factory using NVflash, but CWM is still there and when using CWM to restore, it restores the honeystreak rom with all of my data. I plan on giving my tablet to someone, but i cant seem to get honeystreak and CWM off, Ive tried unrooting using superoneclick, and nothing, still the same CWM and rom. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated
[Dell Streak 7] djl2011:
OK I used gingerbreak to unroot, then used multiflasher 0.1 (couldnt get the newest one to accept a command) to flash the stock recovery. I boot into recovery, select factory reset userdata/internal storage, it hangs there, after 15mins i pinhole reset, and then tried update via pkg on sd card, same thing. And my some of my data is still there, pictures, videos stuff like that, i formatted the external sdcard on the computer, so I know its on the tablet its self.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrew21:
Hello, i have one piece galaxy II i9100 with following specs:

Firmware info

PDA:XWKJ1

PHONE: XXKI4

Date: 11/10/2011

Android 2.3.5

I need to know if i can flash I9100JPKJ2 version Android 2.3.5 on this phone?

Thank you.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Yes if you want to.

jje
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrew21:
Just one more question, this firmware has only one tar file...should i select it in PDA and do i need to select re-partition and pit file?

Thanks