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[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800

480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for

if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...

so go figure ;)

on a side note, here some food for thoughts :)

DVD quality = 480x800

Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280

Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
read this while you are still considering it http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1362556 ;)

also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1372420
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] defconoi:
Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19918706

but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch :p

specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Shane_pcs:
To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)

That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.

I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] OriginalMemnock:
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.

I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).

My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).

I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.

There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).

Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.

Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.

The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.

The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.

Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.

And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.

So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.

I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] OriginalMemnock:
I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.

In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.

At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.

Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.

Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.

The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.

BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
Regarding the CM10 bit...

The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9

so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.

so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...

What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
additional info for rbenz

https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s

As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.​

in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions ;)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] psn1819:
i can understand your feeling completely

It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Shane_pcs:
You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2

specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie

for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
But... but... but... 42mbps vs 21 in the nexus, right?

If I knew what I wanted this would be easy... It's just, as I said, coming from the vibrant I am worried about getting another phone that could get left behind (which is funny since eventually vibrant development went nuts, but sammy wouldn't give out drivers)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
just forget the bad episode with Vibrant & Captivate

Samsung did learn from their mistakes, and now they are much more Development friendly than HTC

we got sources (drivers) in less than 3 days for T989, and the T989D got it the next day

and they even released a newer version of the sources for T989 after they found out the first released had some bugs

sortly after that development started pumping good, yes we might not have as much varieties going on as the i9100 SGS2 but we got quality ROMs that matter

you should also know this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1219612

reason why in SGS2 they had to split the DEV forums to:

Galaxy S II Original Android Development

vs

Galaxy S II Android Development

this tells you much why it doesn't really matter if you have a few real Devs/Dev Teams or Lots of Devs wannabes
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Shane_pcs:
Expandable storage was a biggie for me too. Especially when I learned that without an external sd, ICS doesn't support mass storage device (See nexus). I use my phone to transfer files all the time and often use it as a makeshift external drive.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] fatboy547:
I'm not worried about devs. I'm worried about the lack of themers for our phones.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] quest4fire:
I came from the Vibrant, we got former Vibrant devs here-- Romanbb, Whitehawkx are over here devving for us and Team Whiskey is coming soon. We got other good devs from other devices. This phone came out recently. You gotta give it time. I remember with the Vibrant in the beginning it was basically Eugene323 and Team Whiskey. Now a year later they have tons of devs now.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] movieaddict:
Then install CM7 and u will never run out of themes to choose from! there are hundreds to choose from for the tmobil theme chooser for cm7
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] horatiob:
Man isn't that crazy? I had the Vibrant when it just came out... Development took such a long time but out of nowhere... BAM!!!!! development exploded!!!! It's crazy what's going on over there... The vibrant has so much going on now that switching to the t989 was a very difficult decision... I almost didn't switch but my nephew from Jamaica is doing so well in school that he asked for the GSII so I bought it for myself and gave him the vibrant... LOL

But people please be patient! GOOD STUFF IS COMING!!! For now just grab your favorite ROM from the development section and launcher and theme of your choice... ;-)
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] glensta:
I sure hope so all this waiting for new rom sucks. I try to be a patient guy but it feels like I'm running out of patience

Sent from Glensta
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] xspeed9190:
I'm hopping the big hindrance is all of them are working on ics roms and dropped gb. Team whiskey is supposedly back and they did great work but nothing yet. Let's hope cm can do it fast as well.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
what are you waiting for that is not already available?

even CM9 or ICS4 are very buggy on other phones, not something you want to use as a daily driver

so your arguments are invalid
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] glensta:
I'm mostly just whining. I love the Juggernaut and BeastMOD Roms, they're excellent daily drivers

Sent from Glensta
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
CM9 is not out yet, and ICS on the Vibrant isn't "very buggy", it's actually much nicer than any GB rom, they just lack GPS drivers and video doesn't work. Buggy, but not very buggy.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] cashyftw:
cm9 is out, look around HINT: Captivate

cm9 is not supported for the vibrant, if thats where you where your getting your info.

You are correct though, it's not very buggy on the vibrant, but then again, it's not developed by the cm team.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] degeneration:
Touche... I guess one could argue what "out" really means, but I was wrong. Still seems not ready yet, or started for anything I care about :P
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] quest4fire:
Yeah it is crazy whats going on with Vibrant. It kinda made me regret selling my Vibrant because I would've had tons of ROMs to play with while I wait for SG2 development to pick up. :o
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] AllGamer:
i'm playing with ICS4 on both my i9000 and i9020

they are fast and all, but too many apps are not compatible, even build in features of ICS doesn't work well or still buggy

as you said, there are some GPS bugs, and some SIM / WiFi bugs

all in all, everything combined, it's very buggy to be usable, it's great as a toy, but nothing more until more polished version are released, with fixes for all the known issues

slow videos

google apps issues

settings

power menu

many WiFi issues

SIM card issues

some GPS issues

some camera features

face to unlock issues

USB mount issue

and many others people complained about but forgot

all that aside, i found many of my PURCHASED apps/games are not ICS compatible so i already fired up emails to the Developers to get it upgraded ASAP, but no much luck for free stuff online.

and some apps will never be compatible with ICS

like the Dual USB mount apps
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] theghazi:
Slow Development

I went from mytouch 4g to sensation to amaze to now galaxy s2. I appreciate the development so far. Thanks for all the developers.

But I believe there is not much out there, only 3 roms out there, hardly get updates, no miui, hardly working cm7, no ice cream yet.

Just like to get an idea how come we have no developers come this way yet.

Thanks
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] ThC23:
Phone hasn't been out that long and maybe devs are not fans of the different processor in it. Not sure though.

Either way CM7, CM9 and MIUI are all in the works. Just be patient.

Powered by the SGSII....
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] jasontx:
Learn to code bro.

Seriously though, it is kind of boring right now. Juggernaut is running great for me so I guess I can't complain.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Daddio06:
I'm living juggernaut!

¤sent by the juggernaut¤
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] TheBoldImperator:
The phone's only been out for about three months, and ICS has been out for less than a month.

These things take time.

I will say that the Snapdragon chip makes it difficult to port over Exynos based ROMs. In my personal opinion, I'd rather have an Exynos phone than HSPA+ 42, or, at least, two different variants for T-Mobile, similar to AT&T.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] unlvmike:
Yeah, I too don't care for the 42mbps. The exynos processor is amazing, my friends att version is snappier. I will definitely get me a nexus if we don't see some ICS love by mid January. This phone is nice, but development is a bit slow, but I know complaining won't help so I will patiently wait. Juggernaut keeps me happy for now :-D

There is enough hate in the world. Why can't we all get along here ...?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] clninja:
wait untill cm7 or cm9... once those are out then our developers ( most of which just are just modders so they need the cm7/cm9 source ) will start making alot more roms
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] bougelahi:
I just got this phone, and I really want to start learning to develop some roms now. Does anyone know where I can get started, or what problem is holding back development? I should have more time after this semester so I want to learn now. What hurdles must be jumped in order to get AOSP ICS on our device?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] cashyftw:
Yeah I want the other processor that's in the other gs2 variants also, but if we don't get ics, I'll be going to the nexus.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] sparky79:
The phone was released on October 10th, not quite 3 months, exactly 2 months actually. It takes time for devs to make roms for new phones. Seriously this is like the 10th time that someone has made a thread about this, just sell the damn phone and get a piece of crap that needs 900 roms to make the phone work right. I like the roms that are out and I am sure we will get ICS soon.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] eleeo037037:
Double post
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] eleeo037037:
Patience my friend. Also, I don't think it's necessary for you too make a thread about this to point out the obvious. If development is slow, its probably for a good reason and if it's not good, maybe you should learn how to build roms yourself and contribute a little bit instead of complaining (to me, making a thread about development being slow is complaining). Like said above, the phone is very new and we will get many Roms with time. Stop putting preasure on the devs that work hard behind closed doors. Stop expecting.

Sent from my SGH-T989
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] drewtang:
Lol @ "build moms". I do that in my free time.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Locksmith81:
Booo! Weak sauce, not even funny...

BeastMOD Synergized to 1000HP
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] :
You must of came in to the mytouch 4g later because it basically had no roms at launch. Development didn't take off till towards February. Then all of a sudden the phone saw development everyday. The only reason ours is doesn't have much because we have a different processor. Than the original galaxy s2.

The other variants can easily do ports we have to start from scratch. I don't know what you really want because we have cm and stock Samsung roms. Miui doesn't get made till cm is stable. No one will have truly stable ics roms till the cm team has theirs anyway. We have some of the best kernel devs and developers here. A great themer which as well.

You can go to other boards you will only see stock Samsung or HTC roms depending on phone and Cm and miui. Overall besides the internal tweaking and the way each developer optimizes the roms. You have literally almost the same thing here as other forums.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] eleeo037037:
Attention? You should try being a comedian instead of a troll, it looks better on a resume kid

I didnt take my sweet ass time to explain to explain to this guy why he didn't have to make a thread for some second grade snickering about a stupid autocorrect.

Sent from my SGH-T989