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[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
iPad 2 beating it on every front. ICS may fix this but we will have to wait and see on that front.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3

and from a 'somewhat' biased site.

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/09/tegra-3-missed-performance-goals-by-wide-margins/

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/04/06/nvidia-in-full-philosophical-retreat-for-tegra-3/

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/10/19/nvidia-tegra-roadmap-slips-a-year/

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/04/a-look-at-tegra-3-3-3-and-4/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] colonel187:
Bahahahahahahahahaha

ipad2 not so great as they would make us believe ......
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jordanjay29:
My phone has a single-core processor and my tablet has a dual-core. That's pretty damn good. If I NEED computing power, I have my quad-core i7 rocking, 8 GB puffing, ATI HD5870 running laptop that can do just about anything.

Let me know when Android can run a fully-featured version of Photoshop or something better than iMovie, I'll happy jump onboard the X-core bandwagon. I might even leave Windows behind then...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Let me ask simple question. How did they come up with those numbers? No, it is not a stupid question. Did they use an app to come up with those numbers? Did they hook the devices up to some kind of machine and then did measurements? What did they use?

The point I'm trying to make is since iOS and android are different platforms, if they used an app to do these measurements, they'd have to use 2 completely different apps for 2 completely different platforms. Apple has been exposed to fabricate their signal strength and battery bars count. Their OS also don't show error messages when something crashes. How do we know they didn't fabricate these numbers as well?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuckonduhmode:
The software they used is right there...GLBenchmarks and Basemark. It's exactly the same as testing your frame rates for video games that are made for different platforms, ie. Windows and OSX. The games themselves have their own engines that can show you what frame rates you're running at so why should it be any different between Honeycomb and IOS.

It's the same software...

I do remember Apple fabricating their signal bars, but not their battery life. Unlike a certain website, *cough*ENGADGET*cough*, Anandtech is a reputable tech site that is more unbiased than others.

The reasons I can believe it is true?

My iPad 2 plays EVERY single video it can play (no flash of course) without fail. My Transformer? Sometimes (more often than not) it doesn't even play 360P Youtube videos without stuttering. Pathetic if you ask me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
If your Transformer can't play SD YouTube videos, you have a setup problem of some kind. Mine doesn't stutter at all, even on HD YouTube videos. It likewise doesn't stutter at all on high bitrate transfers of my own DVDs, which are well above the resolution and bitrate of SD YouTube vids.

Also note that Anandtech themselves clearly noted that they had problems with their initial test unit, as evidenced by the increase in wifi performance and battery life with their second unit. Until they've had time to rerun all their tests, I wouldn't put much weight in any of their original numbers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deadman3000:
My Transformer struggles with 720p @ High profile. How does the iPad 2 fare?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] magicpork:
correct me if I'm wrong..don't think iPad can handle 720p/1080p High profile either
[Eee Pad Transformer General] songmeesay:
iPad2 plays high profile 720p smoothly (B-Frames, cabac, etc). Not with the native player, but with appstore players like AVPlayerHD.

GT 10.1 and other Tegra 2 do, too, with market players like Dice and BS but they stutter on fast action scenes. iPad2 doesn't do that. I did oc my GT 10.1 and set cpu to Interactive and that gets rid of the stutter, but for my particular 10.1 Interactive leaves the tab unstable.

Never tried 1080p high profile on iPad2.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danny-B-:
If your struggling playng video, give BSplayer a try ... i tried dice player (as recommended) and NOTHING plays video better than BSplayer :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sdelliott31:
Funny as I have been doing my own research on getting a tegra 3 or Ipad 2 or just nothing. YouTube videos work great for me. I have problems with ESPN videos on Tegra 2 compared to the OG Ipad. For the stutter, I like the close to 200.00, savings compared to the ipad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sert00:
i sell and ipad2 before buying transformer.in video playing ipad2 is a bit more fluid,but at high profile 720p it is the same as tf,depend on which software you use for,but 100% lag free video you haven't with ipad2 and you haven't also with transformer.i suppose that tegra 3 chip with neon support included is more powerfull and generate more smooth and fluid videos than ipad2.personally i think that video playing is the only thing where tegra2 might be not exceeding,but not from an ipad2 chip but at least a tegra 3\exynos or newest qualcomm soc (with NEON as well)

correct me if i'm wrong mates...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
Lack of NEON is the biggest let down of Tegera 2 IMHO. Reminds me of one of my friends with an aging AMD that had the clockrate but couldn't thunderbird on without newer instruction set extensions some games needed.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] colonel187:
+1

+1

+1
[Eee Pad Transformer General] junks2010:
It doesn't matter which software/platform. The software just measure how many fps at 720p the tablet can display. I think it's a fair comparison.

Does it matter in normal usage? i don't know. But it shows that the iPad2 GPU is better than the tegra 3 in this case.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
Dont forget Honeycomb is software rendering, ICS has hardware rendering (like the iPad).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
Thisthisthis. Most of your media playback issues? This is the reason. Except for the "SD YOUTUBE LAGS OMG SO PATHETIC" guy, which either has terrible internet or is doing something very, very wrong. My TF plays back high prof 720p no problem with Dice. If tegra2 had NEON, we'd have 1080p30f.

That kinda has nothing to do with this...

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoeTF:
Uhm, I like Charlie. I really do.

But sadly, as far as his Tegra stories are concerned, he seems to live in parallel (or maybe even perpendicular) universe.

Tegra2 he ridiculed so much and went as far as to claim that it will not get a single design win ended up cornering ENTIRE goddamn tablet market. Pretty much 100% of Honeycomb devices run on T2 (whether we like it or not).

Same with his "sky is falling, Tegra roadmap slips for a whole year". Well, the roadmap might have slipped (or was that just dumb marketing projections, not the roadmap itself), but the second part of the story is that even after slip, nvidia is still a whole year ahead compared to competition (4 core Kraits are scheduled market introduction Q4Y12).

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Both (newest BSplayer, before ovt'11 release, it didn't even have ahardware acceleration) players are still not prefect and drop frames on panning or action scenes.

They also have bunch of non-performance issues:

-DICE player cannot playback 90% of embedded subs (and for those it can read, it will start showing them only after 30 seconds of movie have passed) out there and has ugly, undocumented GUI.

BSplayer suffers from nasty subtitle desyncing issue and its seeking implementation is utterly dysfunctional (you can only seek in random 15-30 secs jumps)

Oh, and both players suffer performance hit when streaming via SMB.

So yeah, for media consumption device(with 399-499 pricetag!; You could buy two netbooks for that money), Tegra2 tablets ****ing suck.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Of course what the Anadtech seem to conveniently "forget" is that the Transofmers display is much higher resolution than the iPad2 and therefore more pixels to populate...

Perhaps I should make a iPad2 killer tablet that 120 pixels x 120 pixels that downscales 720p video at can play at insane framerates but looks ****. I'm sure the idiots at Anadtech would love it...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] JoeTF:
Afaik both ipad and TF simply upscale the games.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Irreverent. The Transformer display is 1024000 pixels, the iPad2 has only 786432 pixels - 30.2% less, it therefore takes less GPU "grunt" to drive it, and can deliver higher framerates for less.

To disregard this and only look and framerates is idiotic...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuckonduhmode:
My fault for not being a bit more descriptive. The videos play flawless in the Youtube app. I'm not talking about that. Or the Youtube website, which appears to be fine. The problem lies within the browser themselves. In Opera mobile, Dolphin HD, AND the stock browser and while playing some youtube videos that are embedded (not on Youtubes website), there's a very slight stutter every so often. I notice it often when it's someone speaking in the video. Here's one video in question is anyone wants to try testing it on their transformer.

http://fstoppers.com/shoot-print-and-frame-a-massive-peter-lik-style-photograph-on-a-budget

You can fill the screen to see it in bigger form. It's not like crazy stutter but a very slight lag. On the iPad 2, it never lags. It's silky smooth.

Heh, I love it how the assumption is that it's the user that can't click a play button correctly in a browser, in 3 browsers no less. I mean...jeez, that's like the toughest thing in the world!

I'm not talking about APPs that are made with playing certain videos in mind. I'm talking about browsers that can't seem to play a simple embedded or linked 360p youtube video on a website that's not the Youtube site.

Btw, my internet may not be the quickest, but I would think a Fios 10mb/2mb connection (which pings 24ms to the fstoppers website and 14ms to the youtube website) would suffice for playing a simple 360p video, wouldn't you?

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The point about higher resolution is irrelevant. If you look at how they tested, it says 1024x768 for their Basemark test. That means they tested them both at the same resolution. The Prime doesn't have to populate anything. It just plays at 1024x768. The other pixels aren't even active. The Prime is not running at 1280x800 like you seem to think it is which does make the test valid.

The two GL Benchmark tests above says offscreen 720p. The iPad is the one that has to now power at a higher resolution, does it, and still wins.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
FYI - I just tried and that video player perfectly for me in the stock honeycomb browser (in window and full screen mode).... Can't explain why it's stuttering for you, unless it's a bandwidth issue (but you say the same video plays fine on other deviced connected to the same wireless connection, correct)?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] foxmeister:
Not really!

What you've failed to take into consideration is that the issue with the Tegra-2 in the TF is not the number of pixels it is pushing - it's the decompression that it needs to do on the source material on the fly to provide stutter-free playback

You can take a 1080p baseline profile video and play it on the TF, mostly without issues. You can take the same source material, encoded as 1080p high profile, and the eventual output will have the same number of pixels to push onto the screen, but it won't work on the TF because Tegra-2 can't decode it fast enough.

Regards,

Dave
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ckoadiyn:
Stuck on dub mode I think its a YouTube or website thing fUse I get suffering on many computers in browsers except on YouTube website even then its a toss if it will load or freeze half the time lol YouTube needs nuked n restarted. To much dumb **** on there
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xMini:
I Hate how the old Transformer doesn't play 1080p !! Is Tegra2 really THAT weak ??

I wanna buy the new one but I'm saving my money for something else... also i couldn't sell my Transformer !!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jordanjay29:
Seriously? You want to play 1080p video on a 1280x800p resolution screen? There's absolutely no reason, you'll get no benefit with 1080p over 720p at that resolution, not to mention the processing power required would negate any imagined bonus in the picture.

Be realistic. The TFP's ability to play this is a marketing gimmick, nobody needs 1080p video on their 1280x800 resolution device. It's nice to have the capability but it's not a weakness to lack it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] larryvand:
That's compete BS. The TF prime destroys the icrap2. And does it even though it has 30% higher resolution... the proof is in the game play....

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-transformer-prime-vs-ipad-2-side-by-side-gaming-02199774/

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Are you kidding me? What's the point? 720p is 1280x720... and that's the native resolution of TF....1280x800....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
"too much dumb **** on there"

Oh how ironic. You should probably look at your own post.

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ckoadiyn:
So some miss spelling woo didn't realize people couldn't make mistakes ever way to be a jerk n I'm done now bye
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuckonduhmode:
Thanks for testing it out. Yeah, it played fine on the Ipad 2 on the same wireless connection.

I thought it could be a flash issue but I uninstalled and reinstalled it to no avail. I think it could be that the iPad brings up an html5 version and the transformer brings up the flash version, which has some issues with the particular video. Still, I see no reason for it to lag with a 360p video.

That was one of the features I liked that was advertised. I know it's pointless to play that video on the Transformer where it doesn't improve anything, but what if I wanted to have 1080P movies on there and then bring it over to a friend's house and plug it into his/her 1080P TV and stream. I would use that feature a lot.

Lol, nowhere in that post do I see the Prime destroying the Ipad 2. In the video they both play perfectly smooth. Nvidia went to the game studios and collaborated with them to make a version that took advantage of their extra cores. How can you compare that to Apple who didn't go to the developers to make another version?

If the Prime didn't come closer to the Ipad 2 in graphics, it'd be sad wouldn't it? After all, it's being released a half year later. Android will be playing catchup again once the Ipad 3 comes out, so the cycle continues.

I would think that most people on the Android forums would be a bit more unbiased, but I keep getting proved wrong over and over again.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkhawkff:
The one thing that I want to bring up (and something that even ANAND doesn't seem to make any reference to...) is that the GLBenchmark is all 'offscreen'. Think about that for a second. Now, go searching for benchmarks for 'onscreen' for the IPad 2 and the Transformer prime (they're out there.....).

Suddenly, you'll see that the IPad 2's benchmarks drop drastically. For whatever reason, the IPad 2's offscreen benchmarks are really inflated. On screen is a completely different story though. And that's where I'd take my benchmarks, since that's where I'm actually going to see it.

And as others have noted, the screen resolution will make a difference, as well as the graphics quality settings. Slashgear made a terrific comparison in relation to this. And guess what? Game makers will easily jump onto the NVidia bandwagon if NVidia is will to provide support or hardware for testing. NVidia is making a huge investment here, and rightfully so.

Is Tegra 3 no good? Honestly, I'm not overwelmed by it, I feel rather enraged that my Tegra 2 didn't turn out as well as the Tegra 3 has. I feel Tegra 2 really left alot of us with a sour taste in our mouths, mostly regarding video playback (720P mostly, yes it can do it, just not as well or smoothly as it should perhaps). Am I going to buy Tegra 3? Hell no, I'm waiting for a good Windows 8 tablet now. And I know I'll be waiting for a long time....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
I still remember looking at Tegra chips when they were first showing them off at mobile events... they kept telling us it played 1080p no problem. This was 2-3 years ago now, heh. Really too bad they scraped NEON...

Tegra 3 is going to be great. The GPU could be better (compare it against the latest Exynos and you'll agree), but it's not like it really matters, no real game fully takes advantage of capabilities of the devices yet. There's Shadowgun and... welp that's p much it.

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
explain how it doesnt? GPU scores are going to be lower if it is testing using software rendering versus hardware rendering.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xMini:
What's the point of "HDMI" then ?? And 1080p still looks better

Also i have a lot of videos in 1080p stored on my PC... i don't really have the time to convert them !! It could've been better if it supported everything outta the box !! It doesn't even play "flv' files on the stock video player (which almost all my videos are) but thankfully there are other video players....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
No, what is sad: a friend just got a shiny new iPhone for $800 (1 month old). I bought a one year old phone for $225, and for practical use: mine is more powerful in all save the Camera and internal storage space. In three months for less than her husband paid, I could get an Android phone that makes the iPhone 4S look like last years pre-paid walmart phone, when we are talking 'just' hardware, and it would be more powerful than the TF101 or iPad 2.

Apple hardware is NOT the reason to aquire an Apple mobile device and ceased to be a long time ago. It's the software. Android doesn't run iOS 5 apps. There's probably an iOS app to make her husband a sandwich. The software is controlled enough to leverage the hardware, do you have a camera button? Stupid question, it's an iPhone.

For how much more the iPad 2 costs, that worm

and

it's successor better play 1080p high profille video like a Ferrari at the race track versus whatever a Transformer Prime can do. Being Apple, it should be like a top make of Lamborghini!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
There's more than one resolution possible on HDMI. The TF101 doesn't output at 1080 via HDMI; it uses 720 (1,280 x 720 pixel) output, so again, there's no advantage of viewing 1080 (1,920 x 1,080) pixel video on the TF101, apart from not having to reencode. All you're doing is increasing the CPU work involved in showing the video, decreasing your battery life, wasting storage space, possibly making the video quality worse (realtime scaling quality is likely not as good as scaling performed when the video is encoded on a desktop PC), and likely having to deal with stuttering.

And if all your videos are saved in Flash Video format, you're in a very, very tiny minority.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
I do understand his point though - if your movie collection is already in 1080p, it is way too much work (and time) to covert them down to 720p.... It would be really nice if you could just play them as-is....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Noobferatu:
Hi Everyone, I'm new here from South Africa (just got my TF for a week)

Honestly I dont see any practical use for putting 1080p video on my TF. As a example I have quite a few 1080p movies taking 26+ Gb each. So first of I'll need either the 32Gb model or a 32Gb microSD. Thats quite a large investment for watching one movie at a time if I would want to go this route.

What do you guys think I do when I want to watch a HD movie ? Go through all

the time and effort to put it on a sdcard or wait for hours for it to copy over Wifi and play it back from my TF ? Or rather just power on my HTPC and play it back directly from my HTPC's internal harddrives or just drop in one lying around in the house in the external Dock ?

Even if the GPU was 100x faster It would still not take away the impracticality of using a tablet for 1080p HD. even if you could successfully stream 1080p, I would just ask you to please fast forward at 16x

I think people complaining about 1080p is nitpicking and trying to create a storm in a teacup :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
FWIW, this is a cop-out excuse. Tegra 3 should be at least twice as fast as the iPad, yet it is considerably slower, even with 30% more pixels. That's pathetic. And from a consumers point of view, framerates are far more important than a slightly higher resolution, especially considering that videos on the iPad 2 look great, any additional "improvement" would be subtle.

Tegra 3, in my opinion, is mostly hype. Even Tegra 2 hype is a joke... Games that we are all excited about for Tegra 2 play better on the iPad 2...

-- Sent from my HP TouchPad using Communities
[Eee Pad Transformer General] deymayor:
i'm trying to figure out the point of this thread. maybe someone can help me out.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jtrosky:
Probably just some ipad fanboy complaining about a product that they don't own and will never own (Tegra 3 device) .... Just ignore it....

I have an iPad and a Transformer - believe me, the iPad will NEVER be as able to do the things the Transformer can do! There really is no comparison between the power of these devices - I can do WAY more with my Transformer than I can do with my iPad....

People put way too much emphesis on specs and benchmarks - all that really matters is if the device does what YOU want it to do, and does it well.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
it has to do with graphics in general. lol

http://phandroid.com/2011/12/05/goo...ts-straight-on-android-hardware-acceleration/

android has always had some sort of hardware acceleration with the UI. introduced in 3.0 and further improved in 4.0 is the rendering of content within a window. hardware accelerated drawing.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I guess it depends on your setup. For me, my PC's powerful enough that it likely takes me less time to convert a movie down from 1080 to 720, than the time saved in copying a 720 movie to my MicroSD card instead of having to copy a 1080 movie.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
I really wish someone would lock this thread, so we can not troll, and not have trolls for both ends. Threads like these don't work when open to the public.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
I'm taking this as a no. Hardware accelerated rendering of native UI elements have nothing to do with GLbenchmark stats. Nothing at all, except for how long it takes to draw the results to the screen.

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
re-read. kthx. it is you that does not understand Android graphics hardware acceleration.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You know, you *can* just not read the thread, right? Trolls don't go away when you lock threads. They just spread their trolling to other, unrelated threads. Threads you might actually want to read, and where you can't so easily ignore them.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
Re-read what? You posting like an idiot? You said GLbenchmark is hindered by lack of hardware acceleration. This just isn't true, period.

Sent from my Transformer TF101
[Eee Pad Transformer General] thunng8:
Gary is right. GLBenchmark is a 3D OpengGL benchmark. Honeycomb has always had full acceleration of 3D OpenGL. The results of the GLBenchmark are directly comparable between iOS in the ipad2 and Android honeycomb in the TF Prime.