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[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
I agree with a lot of things you've said, and i know it can become a lot of tweaks to add on iphone through cydia to get the look, feel or functioning as you want, but really my point is that those tweaks are there, easy to find, categorized and easily installed/uninstalled/updated. thats all. i think it's a more user friendly experience, in terms of modding.

Maybe i should familiarize myself with the programs for modding android more, but as far as im aware it often involves the use of a terminal, computer, pulling files, modifying, in some cases java coding etc..

Iphone used to be this way with the first generations and now it's much easier, because it's been made into patches that do the coding work for you, I know that that is technically "doing the work for you" but it's just a cleaner way to apply a blue status bar or blue wifi bars for example. The amount of theme tweaks they have for iphone is endless.

Regards, the funny part is, im not all that much of a big "themer" anyways, i really just like to change a few things, like transparent popup boxes, colour reception bars etc, i usually leave it at that, especially with 4.0 ICS is already very beautiful.

But i just find that for the many other system tweaks on available on iPhone don't exist on android, for example:

-something equivalent to sbsettings. let me explain, having all those switches for bluetooth, wifi, airplane mode, etc all in the notification drop down menu, instead of home screens, the whole point of the drop down menu is that is can overlay a currently running application without having to minimize it to go and find a switch somewhere on 1 of 5 home screens

something like "callbar" for iOS, so incoming calls don't interrupt applications but rather only show up in drop down notification bar so that u can answer or ignore if u want without affecting current application

Easier way to have lock screen info, i know of a couple of ways including 'missed it' etc, but surely there should be an application that does it and put the information displayed on the notification bar into the lock screen in an organized format, like "lockinfo" for iphone.

android has had the drop down notification menu for sometime now, iOS just got this feature and guess what, they already have a cydia tweak to display more or less information for each notification here. For example you could change it to 3 or 4 lines of info displayed so you could reach first part of an email lets just say, if you wanted. Android should most definitely have a tweak like this if they have been using the pull down notification menu for so long now
[General Questions and Answers] nawktonson:
On iPhone: OS is more refined. Build quality is top-notch.

Android: Buggy OS. Generally poorer build quality. More customization options to stock OS.
[General Questions and Answers] ijeenyus:
Who has 4g and can hold our phones anyway we want without lost of reception? Expandable space and remove able battery? Build quality? Drop your phone with the glass back. Hope you can read this thread without zooming out on your 3.5 incher. Only thing iPhone has is a pretty os
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
This view has to change tho, and i say this in a positive light, so many more people would use Android if the GUI was more pleasant.

Even just changing those grey tones currently seen on a so many of android apps to a say perhaps a slightly transparent dark blue/black tones would make it look a million times better.

This is what they did with the notification pulldown menu on ICS 4.0 and look how much better it looks. Obviously other changes have been made too but im just referring to the colour scheme for now. All the developers need to just take those ugly grey tones out and add some transparency or more pleasant colours, it's barely more than substituting some java code.

Also for example rounding off the edges on buttons instead of everything being so square and rectangular.

If Android has more power use it, not only for functionality but use it for looks too. I love the look of the new 4.0 ICS, and thats what i have running on a SGS for now, now if only the developers of the apps would improve the look of the apps add a few more tweaks on the modding scene, Android could go all the way.

Take "tasker" for example, such a powerful application, so many functions. but so so so damn ugly, it's so ugly that I don't even wanna open the app. Surely this dev can put a tiny bit more work to make this app a masterpiece, why not?
[General Questions and Answers] nawktonson:
iPhone: Popular apps feel higher quality than their Android counterparts (Facebook, NPR, NYTimes)

Android: Better Google apps. No zooming in native GMail app. Have to pan around HTML e-mails like an old man w/ a BlackBerry :mad:
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
this is what i mean tho how the hell can google not add the pinch/zoom option in the native gmail app?!?!!? it's a feature on just about everything else.. a simple update can fix it, but will they listen?

It seems like it's better to read gmails on iOS than on a google made OS.
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
Why do you need zoom? The font is a great size. And for those things you mentioned earlier, they can all be done with custom roms, and i wouldnt be suprised if they have been already. But to my original point, the phones have different audiences. iPhone is for people who want great looks and user-friendlyness, android is for people who want customability and functionality.
[General Questions and Answers] nawktonson:
Yep. They are so slow to respond to issues. The new Gmail app in ICS 4.0.1 is still missing the ability zoom. It's small details like this that make iOS better IMO.
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
what you said is non-sense. why would we not want or need zoom? it means ur can view particular things closer or further away, this is customizability and functionality, not looks!?
[General Questions and Answers] TDMaster:
lol ur saying Android is Buggy OS every iPhone i see up until now need to reinstall the iOS again after few months

cause of various bugs and software updates which Apple releases almost daily

espically the 5 5.01 and 5.02 to fix battery...
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
I'm just saying I have never had that problem. And those all those things you mentioned in your previous 2 posts can be done on android. anyways, what I'm trying to say is that they have different audiences. I will never like iOS, and (unless they change it) you will never like Android.
[General Questions and Answers] nawktonson:
You must have a big screen. On the 4" screen on my Nexus S, I have trouble reading HTML e-mails without having to pan side-to-side endlessly, even in landscape mode. It is pretty frustrating especially knowing that Google can probably fix something as simple as this with ease but they're not doing it :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
with all respect given, thats 1 bug, compared to the amount of force closes etc on android.

I just want Android to go in the right direction

1 thing Android has that is amazing is the new share feature with 4.0, you can share media with any app that has this API, this is something apple will most likely never allow you to do
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
no, mine's 3.6. inches. Are you doing this online or in the Gmail App?
[General Questions and Answers] monkeychef:
I think that many people are disregarding a huge part of this article/rant. I have a 1st gen ipod touch that is jailbroken, and I think Cydia is just an amazing application that jailbreak users have access to.

That being the case, I think that Cydia for android would be an amazing idea, but I can't see it as being easy to implement. At least Cydia only has to work on one manufacturers hardware, and many of the devices have similar OS's. In the android world, there are just too many variants of android with too many OEM's making hardware.

I love the idea, I just don't see it happening.
[General Questions and Answers] Correlliful:
I had gotten tired of reading all of this xD I do not care about iPhones simply because there's only one screen size and one color. That destroys customization to me completely. As well too many people have the same looking phone that way. I don't like the case covers that much, and I've never needed one, so that's not going to help its smallness. iPhones are puny compared to the phone in my hand right now, they're also not nerdy enough, and I know that you haven't been using the right apps if you went with handscent SMS... you get many more themes and options there. You can change fonts and status bar icons with quite a lot of root apps, which I'm too lazy to look up right now. Ultra keyboard is nice if you make the background a solid color and only the letters a different color. You can change themes with UOT Kitchen if you want to create a full theme at once or change little parts or boots with root apps on your phone. I don't have any ugly apps... most of them have perfect black bgs with illuminated text or vibrant lights, brighter than the iPhones and as well, that saves battery life. On an iPhone the most popular pulldown bar replacement is ugly, all of the apps are ugly, the menus are ugly... I had an iTouch... I know there are way more tweaks and whatnot... but that doesn't mean they're any good compared to the top android things that you couldn't find. On another note... 3, which is a free music player for Android, can't be scratched by any of apple's music player. Camera mods for Apple don't impress me either, nor does the photo quality... it seems, less. Try pudding camera for Android.

Infuse 4G CM7 (custom ICS theme)
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
I don't get why we would need a 3rd party app store, when we already have an app store that allows everything.
[General Questions and Answers] Correlliful:
I had forgotten to put Go SMS in there.. sorry for the confusion

Infuse 4G CM7 (ICS theme)
[General Questions and Answers] nawktonson:
I'm using the Gmail app. I just tried the mobile Gmail website and it looks like it has the same problem with zooming. Oh well, hopefully some day this will be fixed :)
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
GoSMS is not bad, but it still doesn't compare to biteSMS for iOS which is much cleaner.

The one major thing they need to add is the ability to view text history from the quick reply, so u can see the last few msg's of the convo before replying. This is possible with biteSMS

GoSMS doesn't seem to be fully functional with ICS4.0.1 yet, because it couldn't seem to capture my contact information instead it just displayed #'s without names.. for now
[General Questions and Answers] Snow_fox:
In response to the original posted (in the off chance s/he is still reading).

I have never modded an iphone but, I honestly couldn't disagree with you more!

While it may not be the most organized (and I confess to this point myself!) I considered jail breaking my girlfriends former Iphone 4 and OMG there was so much crap to wade through just to figure out the details!

"What Iphone are you on? what version of iOS? What kind of jailbreak do you want to do? cydia? redsnow?" (and seems like there were even more types of jailbreaking ranging from temporary to perm)

Then again, unlike you I consider myself a "power user" in a different sense than you. I consider using command lines to bypass the need for gui "power using" a device. I consider the need for gui to be the opposite of a "power user" honestly.

I really believe the only reason you consider ios easier to tinker with is because it is your personal preference... And having rom'd 2 captivates installed root on the atrix and created a boot chip for a nook color.... I seem to remember having a gui on each product which did all the work for me..

The only time I even remember going near a command line was when my girlfriend didn't want to install CM7 so I had to go in and allow non market apps manually.. she later switched to CM7... but, at any rate.. I have never had any issues doing anything with android...

Any apple product.. god forbid if you look at it wrong..
[General Questions and Answers] Semseddin:
iphone is not better than my ****e. PERIOD.
[General Questions and Answers] hungry81:
Its not really that hard. Home button and then select setting from widget. Also latest android version on my evo 3d DOES have those settings in the dropdown menu STOCK.

Cyanogen mod has this feature.

Widgetlocker

possibly Widget locker again.
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
yea but your a little bit missing the point, installing a ROM is easy. But its the extra options on from that point... u cant further tweak settings more, like u can with iOS, eg adding more info lines to a notification or changing what happens when u click on a notification within the notification bar for example, another popup menu perhaps?.. all these system tweaks can be added after jailbreak with iOS but not many of these tweaks exist on the top of a custom ROM for Android, unless of course you made the ROM yourself. Because as i see there is no way to just add these extra tweaks without coding/terminal? correct me if im wrong.

Im really trying to see the light here with android and to be honest im willing to learn and willing to explore.
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
Read hungries post.
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
yea i did read it, widget locker is not bad at all, it works with lockscreen in combo with "missed it" but not with notification bar i don't think. He did share some good info tho, thanks Hungry
[General Questions and Answers] xAnimal5:
I used a jailbroken iphone for 2 years and switched to an SGSII and now a NOTE. Cydia is nice, but it took about 2 minutes to start working after it updates the cache.

The tweaks on Cydia for the Iphone are already part of Gingerbread and can alll be accessed thru the settings.

The apps on Cydia such as GBA4iphone and N64iphone are a joke, they run 10 games tops out of the 100's of games and they are slow/lack many features.

Using Itunes to move songs to Iphones takes years... and requires a computer/laptop to get songs even when jailbroken.

Most of the animated wallpapers in Cydia are cool, but the Iphone's small battery dies EXTREMELY fast, so they drain maybe 2%/minute.

Hardware wise, most High-end android phones blow Iphone 4s's away

Android isn't Perfect, but IOS... don't make me write a full rant. I wish I could get my 5 years with IOS back.....
[General Questions and Answers] liamwli:
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[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
have you recently looked at the list of tweaks on cydia? it's come a LONG way, i wouldn't go as far as saying those are already present on gingerbread, i wish it was that way but it's not, and for whats missing, in terms of cydia tweaks, unfortunately there is no way to implement it, or at least from what im seeing..

I wouldn't say there is a tonne of features missing from android but im just saying for the ones that are, doesn't seem like there is an easy work-around
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
Read the OP

if you had actually read the OP, you would know that he is talking about Jailbroken iPhones. That solves about half the problems you mentioned. and I don't even know what you mean by no widgets.
[General Questions and Answers] liamwli:
Don't make assumptions. I read the entire OP
[General Questions and Answers] johnston9234:
I have force closes on iOS all the time. Dont say things that arent true.
[General Questions and Answers] THE_KINGDOM:
I never said there weren't force closes on iOS just seems quite a lot less often
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
then why are you complaining about stock iOS problems? With Cydia, you can install third party apps, no approval. and what do you mean cry?
[General Questions and Answers] Gorguts:
Hmmm...

I can't believe you guys are entertaining this at all. If this guy can't see why android is awesome with his own eyes, what are you going to say to change his mind or win an argument.

Polish will come to android and in my opinion is already here in the GS2. Ill take choice over what apple deans worthy of their platform any day. Not to mention choice of hardware, I h8 the way the iphone looks and if I was an islave I would have to except that lame hardware design. Let this dude enjoy apples c@ck while we enjoy endless possibility....

We like what we like....period.

p.s. I could never use under a 4" display ever again, maybe even not under my 4.5" on my ET4G
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
do you really have to insult everyone who disagrees with you?
[General Questions and Answers] Gorguts:
HOLY CRAP! How did you manage to speak to everyone I have ever disagreed with so fast?

No dude, and relax. People can say things without there being intent or wieght behind it. We all know the facts of these 2 OS's and his post is unfounded. Not to say ppl can't prefer iOS over Android but better is relative so that means this entire thread is pointless.

I speak to customers all day who would never part with thier LG Rumour, do you think you could say anything to get them into an EVO....I think not. However, if that person came on this site and plead a case why the LG Rumour crushes Android or any newer device; everyone on this site woud hand it to them.

Don't wine when people get a little sassy, that said; my comment is not even an insult, it was a metaphore meanning the dude sweats apple. Do I need to explain the reality of how apple is not a man and therefore cannot have a c@ck.... chill my man, chill.
[General Questions and Answers] lowandbehold:
I agree with the above post. If you feel that post was insulting, you might need to read it again. Either you aren't understanding it or you have some very thin skin.
[General Questions and Answers] MilkyJoePD:
So which is better then?
[General Questions and Answers] tom3927:
i did not mean that i was insulted, or anyone else. I mean just because someone disagrees with doesnt mean you say "he sucks apples ****". Be mature. And using "leetspeak" like "h8" and "c@ck"? Really?
[General Questions and Answers] Gorguts:
Better is relative and my point was that it is clear you prefer apple and seem to know both platforms well enough to make up your own mind. I would NEVER go to iclarified and post a thread like this because as far as I am concerned...for right now, apple doesn't even exist.

I use to work for apple and know the products, clearly from having this discussion on this site I know about hacks and mods. I have a good friend trying to convert me to apple almost everyday so I know whats current. The difference between us is, I don't give a hang because android is getting it done for me. I am content with what android is doing vs what apple is doing. When I was a windows mobile guy, I switched to android because it seemed better to me, but I am sure someone out there disagrees with that even.

Bottom line, if you were content with apple you wouldn't be here. Sorry about the c@ck bit, it just means you are very fond of apple....thought that manner of speak was universal.

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Sorry master Yoda... What should I have said.
[General Questions and Answers] lowandbehold:
I am just being honest here...Those screenshots look horrible to me. I hate how IOS looks like 1 big app drawer. I find it very unappealing.
[General Questions and Answers] 转身沧桑:
love the simple things.Love Android.
[General Questions and Answers] N00B_IN_N33D:
So you think the iPhone is more "polished" UKROB86? Yes, I understand slightly where you are coming from with this statement however look at an iPhone then my phone (see attachments)... Tell me, do you think an iPhone looks better then that? Also being that I'm running the miui rom I can easily do major customization's to my phone all within a "themes" app. This can be anything from the boot animation all the way to the desktop transition (or the effects that happen when you swipe the home screen left or right). Another thing is that my phone can be overclocked up to 1.5Ghz. I will give the iPhone credit for being first, but just like the tortoise and the hare tale, just because it got a head start doesn't mean it will win in the end ;).
[General Questions and Answers] izzzbo:
How can you even compare

This is coming from a normal everyday user of an iphone4....

I've always been a Nokia user. I now have to use an iphone4 for work. My wife got herself a galaxy S2. While she adds live walpapers and downloads gadgets, I'm stuck with a boring looking menu. I know your talking about jailbroken iphones, but you can do all this on the android without having to do anything to it.

How cool is live wallpapers that move as you jump to the next screen(Sorry I haven't seen these phones in action before).

I can't understand how you can compare these phones. I have to admit the touch screen feels natural on the iphone. But the galaxy S2 isnt that bad either. She even found an app that can browse through our shared media center folders to play divx videos while shes not infront of the TV.

Someone please tell me how I can do this on my IPhone4s?

whats worse. I have to use itunes. I can't be at a mates house and plug my phone into his machine to get media I like.

Jailbroken or not. IPhone is too locked down. I find myself grabbing the galaxy S2 to play around with it all the time.
[General Questions and Answers] mcvigo:
Why I switched to Iphone?

I hate the lack of support android phones get. Updates are out and you have to rely on Devs and costum roms and some of them give issues.

Battery Life: I had an inspire which battery life sucked

Apps: A lot of medical apps.. Some of the medical Apps on android wouldn't even run on costum Roms.

I hated the constant flashing on android. Trying out new roms etc.

Apple product have better lifespan. Iphone 4 has been out for 1.5 years and it still runs strong against top android phones. A 2010 android phone probably has support cut off or has problem with compatibility. I don't know about you but I want a phone to last 2 full years.

Also hated when some apps were not available for your phone. I mean cmon, its the same platform you are running.

Im not saying I didn't enjoy android. Its a cool OS, love the ability to customize alot.

If android gets more unified like apple and companies like samsung and HTC stop releasing 10-20 android phones per year and just stick to making 1 high end and one lower end, android will be alot better.

I say just for the apps the iphone is better than android.

Now i will say this, In one or two years android will be on par, or better than apple and ios.
[General Questions and Answers] iCraft:
I personally prefer an iPhone over android devices any day. Mostly just because I love ios so much, its an incredibly polished and smooth operating system.

If I had the money I would buy an iPhone 4 right now, though 500-600$ is the only thing stopping me.
[General Questions and Answers] AndG404:
I think both devices are great and i've used both. I honestly just prefer android. It has A LOT more customization options. I agree with lowandbehold; the iphone just looks like a giant app drawer but it does run well. One thing that really draws me away from the iphone is how it relies on iTunes way too much.
[General Questions and Answers] mcvigo:
Yeah the iphone isn't perfect. The only thing I hate about itunes are the updates. I take iphone but would have no issues using an android phone.
[General Questions and Answers] Pfilly:
I've had android phone since early 2010 and just recently bought an iPhone. After jail breaking it and looking for customizations I have to say that iOS has nothing compared to the options android has. No widgets is just one of the many bothersome things that an iPhone can't do.
[General Questions and Answers] jimbo.levy:
This thread is dumb. Each person has preference and your reasoning is nothing more than opinion. Don't forget it.

Also, you're preaching to the wrong crowd. XDA is a 99% Android/WP based community. What are you trying to prove? Do yourself a huge favour and go and find the right website. This is not it!