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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 12MaNy:
This definitely explains why Carrier IQ PR was so defensive over Trev's findings. Isn't this a direct violation of privacy?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I saw Trevor's video yesterday but I figured it was already over here somewhere. Thanks for posting it for others to see.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hayabusa1300cc:
Damn seeing this exposed so deep angers me they've been doing this

This has to be illegal right? Especially the sneakiness the shady company is

.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Some good ol fashioned trial lawyers need to jump all over this with a class action lawsuit.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MikeC84:
Lol I just emailed engadget, gizmodo, cnn, kvoa, and kgun9 with the info on this CarrierIQ crap. If more people demand answers about what CarrierIQ is doing please contact other sites, news organizations and tell whats up, mmk.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Overstew:
We went to CarrierIQ before and all they said was that nothing of importance was gathered and it was there to monitor weak signal areas.

But, this video surely shows different. I am betting this is the Government wanting to monitor everything for security purposes.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
I'd really like to know why it is sending out the content of my text messages. How does that allow the carrier and/or manufacturer improve their product?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
The Patriot Act pretty much has removed all of the safe guards we once had as citizens of America...

Not much chance we will ever get our privacy rights back as they once were...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] crypt0kiddie:
It doesn't... But if you say something like... I have the materials to build the bomb, or I just got 20 kilos of uncut, the Feds raid you!

Go Carrier IQ!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 12MaNy:
Didn't know Carrier IQ reported to the DOD....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Duce HD2:
Ain't that some ****....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bbedward:
Lol, right on. It all depends on the terms of your contract. If it violates any of those terms sprint is obliged to cancel your contract.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] IA-32e:
Just saw this too.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 86Apex:
Was just about to post this. Good that this is getting some exposure, hopefully that'll make more people question CIQ.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
Nice .. I'm happy to see this getting some press at media hub like Forbes. Hopefully it will get picked up by more of the mainstream media outlets. If the average mobile phone user gets wind of what CIQ is doing there's going to be a serious ****storm I think. People get wicked over their privacy, and rightly so. Meanwhile, Verizon will kick back and laugh about the whole thing while they pick up more customers and count their benjamins.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jmejiaa:
I'm late to all this and I just googled the company, first thing I read was this:

With Carrier IQ they do. Carrier IQ’s Mobile Service Intelligence solution eliminates guesswork by automatically providing accurate, real-time data direct from the source – your customers' handsets.

In the press statement they contradict this lol.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nubsors:
Gonna have to disagree. The patriot act cannot supercede the bill of rights. Someone just needs to take the patriot act to the supreme court.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Its only a matter of time. The Patriot Act barely got extended right before it was due to expire and it happened rather quietly
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Yea you can tell just by their actions over the past few weeks they panicked when they knew they were being exposed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
I don't know who Dan Rosenberg is, but here's what he has to say about it ...

http://pastebin.com/aiYNmYVz
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JahmeZZ:
I love Sprint, But this leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Everyday we lose more and more of our privacy, Now the carriers are tracking everything I do on my Phone? I hope the Government does something about this.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Hahaha the government and privacy.......

Anyways would the removal of ciq is a simple as removing the bin file and the two other files out of the lib folder? I did that with the EK02 ROM.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
kOnane said he found it all over the place on this phone. I think its more involved than removing a couple of files. I may be wrong but if it was that easy we probably could all just do it on our own. I hope I am wrong.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
guys i h8 to break it to you but this is on verizon at&t and tmobile phones... also i made a post on the sprint forum's when the cover story on xda came out about it.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/372262#372262

also this could be the reason behind the excessively slow updates for phones like the epic.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
lets just hope some high powered corporate executives, find out about this ****, and, freak out when they realize that their "Secret" web surfing/texting has all been recorded, and they contact the Justice Department, and the FCC, and something gets done about this..

The fact that this stuff gets logged even when you are in Airplane mode, or, even worse, when you don't even have a phone active with a carrier is just totally outrageous..

I dread the thought of it, but if Apple is the only provider of hardware that does NOT put this on their phones, we might all soon be moving back to one of those things...God, I hope not..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
u know i wonder what the implacations of hipa and things of that nature reguarding blackberrys's in hospitals and the like. This is a massive scale issue.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
this may end up being the biggest class action lawsuit in the history of the USA...problem is,do they punish the carriers, the hardware mfgs, the company that invented this, all of them, or who else??
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
no this is prbly way beyond a class action because this breaks wiretap laws and this breaks hippa requirements for all medical companies and federal regulations for banks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
So will Carrier IQ be paying for my SGS3? Time for us all to lawyer up! :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
It is true we need to get some answers what they do with the data, but I wouldn't take Dan's word for it unless he details his "analysis" There may not be "intent" to store the data and transmit it, but it may be happening nonetheless.

For example, Dan may have looked for code that transmits keystrokes in realtime and found none, coming to the conclusion there is no such code. However the software may have dumped information to some generic event or log file with nightly batch uploads of those "generic" files holding your personal info (intentionally or unintentionally) to CarrierIQ servers.

This is how all the WiFi recording fiasco started with Google. IMO Google didn't intentionally try to record that stuff for nefarious purposes, but it did get recorded none the less.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
now another question i wonder if this is why most cell companies were shifting to locking bootloaders.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffnz:
Looks like the conspiracy theorists will have a field day over this. Tin foil hats on everyone.

Ill just wait until more information is out before i jump to conclusions O:-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
none of this is conspiracy this is fact as proven by a legit dev on xda
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I saw a Carrier IQ employee on the grassy knoll in the Zapruder film...but seriously that video was a bit irritating.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Alex1x:
Wow! Now the carrier knows about my favorite sex position AND my passwords? I'm worried they'll log on my xda account and post my nude pictures lol. Jokes aside, not cool. Remember they were talking about installing black boxes in our cars to monitor our drive statistics and the uproar? This seems like the daddy of all black boxes.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
I remember when Trev discovered this over in the Evo3D threads a long time ago; I thought it was not a big deal, until I saw the video today..

Tin foil hats nothing, this will be national news pretty soon..especially in relation to banking rules, HIPA rules, and the like..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
So, is there a list of words that when typed automatically flag you like when you say the word "bomb" on the phone? Wait...is my CIQ removed?.....yup, I am safe..I think.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
It will be National news soon. I am trying to make light of a disturbing trend going on here with violation of privacy rights
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ccline84:
I posted the Forbes story on my Facebook. Nearly all my friends are on Android like me, however I root to remove this. May have a lot more traffic on XDA in the coming weeks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
i sense a company going out of buisness soon
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
Is the video of a live logcat? What is he using to view?

I have a rom with CIQ removed and viewed logcat via adb while I did some stuff, happy to say the no CIQ appears to be working as none of the info was shared in my logcat, and no CIQ references were seen.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoMatt:
Just did the same thing. I think everyone should do this!

I also called Sprint to ask them what they were doing to protect my privacy concerns and they had no idea what Carrier IQ was. I left a message for someone so hopefully I'll hear back tomorrow.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Even if I can't take it all off with root explorer, at least I can break it enough to where it's non-functional.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
I know google doesn't actively go after companies and sue, but they need to squash CIQ. Here's yet another story (pay attention to the title in the link):

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/107337-carrier-iq-is-the-best-reason-yet-to-switch-to-iphone
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tweeker404:
What does one have to remove to cripple its functionality?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] locoboi187:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoMatt:
If you are rooted, follow instructions here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1286783

Or, install a custom ROM that has CIQ removed.

If you are not rooted, you can not remove CIQ. In this case, contact Sprint, Samsung and your local news station to raise hell.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] beastley:
I like how they say they aren't tracking us yet the graphic on the home page shows the locations of tons of phones. Look how creepy that graphic is!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Obviously this guy went out of his way to bash android and glorify apple, which turns out to run CIQ as well. Wow so much fail there.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bluefire808:
I cannot beleive that through phone calls i got to tge highest level of tech support and the guy claimed he didnt even know what it is. He straight up said that there is nothing he can to help get me to some one who can explain why its on our phones. I had to explain exactly what it is that carrier IQ does. He said i could go to sprint.com and send a e-mail to corperate and ask them but he also stated they would most likely not respond to me. Idk how lightly you guys are taking this but im completely taken back by this and am so angry when i called sprint after watching the video in the OP that i was shaky and my voice was shaky also. The guy who reported it to his local news im going to pm ou and ask what the outcome of thia was. I have a rom currently that dissables it but its completely insaine that they are implementing this into current or any devices with out are knowledge or agreement.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
Contact some lawyers if you want real results.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bluefire808:
Newalker91 i sent you a pm. Please read
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bluefire808:
Dont have money and they like like money. But there are many free outlets i can use that i have at my dissposal i can use. Im going to go about it the smart dree way.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
You don't need money for this kind of thing. If they think they have a case they will take it on because they look at getting paid from the class action decision.

You just can't contact a local small town lawyer, you need someone with the resources and determination to take on the kind of case this will be.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zeks:
I don't understand. How is it getting on our devices? Who loads the app. Manufacturer? Google? The carrier? Its being shipped with the devices. It's either added by manufacturer or OS maker (google) right?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
This is a good question.

Do the google flagship devices have CIQ?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] valerinism:
So, if CIQ is in most of our phones, and it goes right down to the kernel, a question comes to mind.

If our phone providers (Samsung, HTC, etc.) release the source code for the kernels, can we just build from that knowing that there is no CIQ code to begin with? Add on top of that the google source code (since we know google wouldn't do anything this sneaky) to create roms that have 100% free CIQ code.

Since lawsuits can drag on for years, wouldn't this be a much faster way of getting rid of CIQ while the lawyers attempt to tear each other apart? This would certainly get users "updates" that don't take 6 months to "test" before being given to the end users.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kenneu:
As much as I hate to believe that this whole issue is that sinister, there is no way that Samsung and Sprint aren't 100% aware of what is going on. CIQ is very tightly integrated in the OS.. there is no way that Sammy and Sprint CAN'T know about it...

Second, is CIQ only a Sprint thing or has it been found on Verizon and AT&T devices? If on all carrier networks, I'd really need the tinfoil hat... If it's just a Sprint thing, that's a different story...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
Its not only a sprint thing, another thing is sammy phones seem to have most of the CIQ "off" by default, as where HTC is Wide Open! When this breaks open the carriers can say they never wanted key logging or location pulling while locations were turned off or denied. They could have easily wrote this into their firmware themselves, but by sourcing it out to a 3rd party they are covering their ass!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
The best part is I believe they are sending then in the clear, so that creepy 13 year old kid next door can easily listen in on your conversations.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rpnunez:
This should really open some people's eyes, especially the part where they talk about the https connection.

This has to be wrong on some level. And if it's wrong on a certain level for a person, there is a huge chance that its not just one person affected.

I'm sure CarrierIQ is ready, no multi million dollar company (140 million devices - lets just say they charged the carrier/manufacturer $1 to install their "metrics recording software") did not think of this possibility - because they've known since day one what exactly their software has been doing.

But then where does that put the Carrier (Sprint, At&t, etc) in this whole drama?

Let's just sit back and watch the show.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] piscesjoey:
Just tweeted the Forbes link to @Fox29Philly and all over Twitter with #Android #Nokia #Blackberry tags, & just found out that The Today Show is doing a story on this. Lets see what CarrierIQ has to say now!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rpnunez:
A quick Google search turned this up:

Carrier IQ references discovered in Apple's iOS | The Verge <- Even iPhone - possible iPad/other iDevices? :O

Even MSNBC has an article on it (posted 2 hours ago).

Things are picking up speed!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
any info on when the Today show story will be on?

thanks
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] limeaid:
Has anyone come up with a method to remove or disable CIQ from a STOCK and ROOTED phone WITHOUT flashing a new ROM?

I'm aware of this thread already:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1286783

And the application that supposedly removes the code:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110

However, I've read that the app has caused some issues on certain phones so I'm not sure I want to go down that route
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tweeker404:
Thanks a lot. Is there anyway to do it without having CWM? I am just autorooted w/ EG31 stock so I have no CWM.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bluefire808:
U also would love to see thia being talked about kn tv.. Please if some one knows please let us know and. Pleaae some one record it and post it for those of us who missed it due to work ect
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Nobody seems to have a copy of Odexed stock CIQ removed zip. I thought I did but I don't. I am sure with this picking up steam that a zip will be available soon.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LoveisPeace2012:
This makes me sick, our founding fathers are probably tossing Nd turning in the graves , his far we have strayed from true freedom
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LoveisPeace2012:
This makes me sick, our founding fathers are probably tossing and turning in the graves , how far we have strayed from true freedom
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Im sure our founding fathers have been Facepalming since the 50's, when all this over reaching started taking off.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LoveisPeace2012:
+1
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffnz:
I think some are over reacting to this. No one really knows the extent and indeed what if anything has been stored or used. Best wait and see instead of scaremongering
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoMatt:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...hich-phones-are-infected-and-how-to-remove-it

Here's an article describing a method that requires only an APK to remove, haven't tried that though.

Watch the video. While it's true that at this point no one has any idea what if anything is sent back to Sprint, or whether it's anonymized or not is not the point.

The point is, as demonstrated in the video, software exists on your phone that has the ABILITY to track absolutely EVERYTHING you do. It does so irresponsibly as demonstrated by the plain-text translation of an https query.

This is outrageous and you should be pissed.

I'm certainly not an alarmist and I don't see how this is scaremongering. It's a ridiculous violation of privacy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffnz:
I dont disagree, my point is that there is no need to panic as it is in the public arena so no need to feel violated until we have more information.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] andygallo:
This is more or less my view. Personally, I really don't care if Sprint gathers signal strength, time and tower info to help find weak points in their network. But the amount of info passing thru the agent is ridiculous. Capturing the HTTPS string before it's encrypted is very concerning. There wasn't anything in the video that suggested that anything was being sent back, but if this info is somehow stored locally, well that ain't good.

Having said that, I'm not convinced this was done with malicious intent. I find it hard to believe that a company would intentionally write an agent that captures this much data to provide simple metrics to the carrier. Being a debug tool makes way more sense (like the way it is apparently deployed on the iPhone). It makes me wonder that if CIQ was a piece of code that was repurposed for metrics gathering. Either that, or the developers are simply stupid about security and privacy (which wouldn't surprise me having worked at a developement company for 13 years).

Regardless, Carrier IQ is about to be in a world of hurt, especially after that Forbes wiretap article.

---------- Post added at 01:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:49 PM ----------

Dang, just when I said they were in a world of hurt, I see this...

http://franken.senate.gov/files/letter/111201_Letter_to_CarrierIQ.pdf
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
I totally agree. This is going to end badly for Carrier IQ, and I think the carriers are going to also do a certain amount of scrambling and ass covering. As soon as a video shows keystrokes and SMS being recorded, regardless of whether that data is being transmitted somewhere or not, it's game on in a serious way.

And yeah I was just coming here to quote part of the letter from Sen Al Franken ...

This is going to get interesting real fast.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
The unfortunate thing is after Carrier IQ's last press release everyone is going to be skeptical about any information coming from them. This is something that the XDA community is possibly going to have to get to to the bottom of because that video makes CIQ statements lose their credibility imo..EDIT...just saw above posts..get your popcorn ready...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] expertzero1:
Atleast the government is getting involved now
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I sent some links about CIQ to Fox Channel 11 in California. Coincidentally, they are doing a story on the 5PM news tonight....let's get 'em!! Edit ...I am no qbking here..

http://db.tt/ezP5arur
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
http://db.tt/ezP5arur
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
Panic is not the right word.

Folks need to keep the heat up while it is still on peoples' minds. This all started almost a year ago and people said the same thing, playing it down and it sort of went away, but was always lurking.

If you are complacent, this software and the attitude that the carrier can put whatever they want on your phone will continue.

Now I don't think the company had malicious intent, but even so, well-intentioned software can have "bugs" totally exposing your info to the public and such software can also be repurposed by black hats for nefarious purposes. If you don't think this stuff happens just read about stuxnet.

It is not too much to ask for the carrier and the OEM to provide an easy way for users to remove this software. If someone personally wants to contribute their info to help the network go ahead and keep it. For the rest of us, we should be able to opt-out and get rid of the software.

Getting rid of the software means some easy way like using app management to remove it, not rooting your phone, scrubbing the framework, etc.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] pgrunwald:
I just wrote my Attorney General and the BBB. I also posted on a Sprint forum thread. I urge you all to do these things at a minimum.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MoMatt:
So I just got a call from a Sprint employee returning a message I left yesterday. My question was basically what is Sprint doing to address privacy concerns related to Carrier IQ and his answer was that it's a 3rd party app from the Market that Sprint has no control over. Wow. Clearly this guy has no idea what CIQ is.

He also said at this time Sprint is doing nothing to address privacy concerns with CIQ because I was the first and only person to voice concern. If a million subscribers started calling, he said Sprint would address it. But at this time, I'm the only one he was aware of that was concerned.

So I guess that means people need to call!

I also sent an email to Dan@sprint.com and have yet to hear back.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Wow he just fed you a pile of BS. Its all over the web, news and even a Senator is publicly questioning CIQ, but this is the first he's ever heard of it. He must be one of those guys living under a rock in that geico commercial. I know how rumors fly around a workplace and im sure its been discussed around the water cooler. I guess the morning memo said to play dumb whenever a customer asks about it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] limeaid:
The method described in the article refers to the same application that I linked to in my original post about this.

Has anyone tried using the application to remove CIQ on the ET4g with success?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
Fox is jumping on this story...

http://www.foxnews.mobi/