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[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Well Pavil, those posts are a little old.

And, sometimes people call things a "brick" when they really don't know what a brick is ;)

BEFORE I would rename any apps, I would try this, Install Titanium backup. Once installed, and root granted of course, Select the telephony apk, then do a "freeze" on it. Reboot and check things. You may want to freeze those other couple apk's if it doesn't fix it. You will probably get some error messages when you first freeze it, but ignore it, and reboot.

But BEFORE you go freezing things, do a recovery backup first ;) This way, you can get back to where you were before freezing.

Then see how things go.

EDIT. Stop using battery apps designed for phones. They may run on Honeycomb, but if they were designed for devices that have a functioning radio, they know no better than to display an erronous stat.

But honestly, battery stats in android are somewhat misinterpreted.

Example. If your device used 10% power. And the stat says Display used 80%, It means that of that 10%, the display was responsible for 80% of it. Not 80% total battery power.

In the meantime, I see you didn't post on thors site? Ok, I'm on good terms with him, so I'll pose the question to him.
[Acer Iconia A500] pawel_podgorski:
Thanks for interesting of my problem. I try today to ps ,get pid and kill but this buster is restarting by it self...

Well i will wait for re ftom Thor and ICS. We will see...
[Acer Iconia A500] kjy2010:
It appears from your screen shots that you don't have your wifi set to disconnect when your screen goes off. I could be mistaken, but if it's not, changing that will help battery life immensely ;)
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Yeah, no sense in messing things up. A pity I don't have an a500 or I'd test it myself.;)

You could try flashing one of the other roms, and see if the result is the same. For example Taboonay. I ran it for quite awhile with Thors 3.9r3 kernel. Or you can use the kernel it comes with.

Answer from Thor is that he's not aware of the cell.standby issue as nobody else has mentioned it, and all his stuff now is set up for ICS, so he doesn't have the time to check it out.

So, maybe you just have to live with it. Seems your battery life is ok, so I would just ignore it for now.
[Acer Iconia A500] drkalo:
Did you wipe your battery stats from CWM before flashing?... And by the way thor's ROM has CPU clock set to 1.2 GHz by default.

p. s. Moscow Desire is right about apps made for phones.
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Yeah, he had to back off the original cpu install recently due to a couple users couldn't flash at that speed (1.5). Not all CPU's are made equal.

(the real issue here, is the old "cell standby" issue that a500's had in the past)

But again, like drkalo affirms, you shouldn't be using battery apps that were designed for phones running android 2.3. I suspect (considering nobody else using Thors roms complain about cell standby), that the phone battery apps have this hard coded, and expect it to be there, so it displays a random percentage. Probably because it see's the phone apk's in the OS and naturally assumes it needs to display something.

Yes, the apps will mostly function on Honeycomb, but, are they really made for tablets? Probably not. (even if they say it does).
[Acer Iconia A500] pawel_podgorski:
So what to use to check ral battery / process usage?
[Acer Iconia A500] Moscow Desire:
Personally Pavil, I do not use one. Except what comes in the rom. There's really no need to get anything else. And frankly, I don't hear a lot about folks running 3rd party battery apps on their tablets. So I'm not going to be much help on suggesting one. I just know most of the task and battery apps, were designed for phones on android 2.3.

I gave up on things like battery apps, task killers, task monitors and the likes a long time ago. I learned to manage things on my own like most others do. There's no reason, once you learn a little about how android works, to add apps that take even more resources.

Bottom line, you can have every app in the world to monitor things, but what really matters, is what the "actual" battery life is.

For example, I can go 12hrs with normal usage, and still have 60%. This includes internet, sms, mail a few times, maybe some video for an hour. It depends.

Or, I can play angry birds 7 hrs straight before recharge. Not bad! And I run my processor at 1500ghz.

You can instal a cpu app, like cpumaster, and set profiles based on how much battery you have left. I typicaly set mine to start at 1500ghz, then do 2 extras to down the speed based on battery. When I use them, I can run for almost 3 days with normal usage. I do this when I know I will be camping with no electricity.

I have 4 of these profiles on my phone, and the longest I lasted, was almost 4 days before recharge.

Wish I could help you more.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] watchnj:
I check with the update and it says there isn't any
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fgb.bbca:
Hello.

I have a Motorola Defy, and i have installed cyanogen on it.

Since yesterday the internal speaker do not works, so i need to send it to the warranty and i want to restore to the factory rom.

I started by restoring a backup of my original version of android, 2.2.1 of personal (argentina) using the restore tool from te recovery boot menu. After doing that, i'm still seeing the cyanogen splash screen (the initial one with a bee instead of the static motorola logo, not the animated one with cyanogen blue circle)

Then i uninstalled the second init, but i'm still seeing the "bee" cyanogen logo.

Is it posible to restore it the motorola initial logo ?
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fgb.bbca:
SOLVED

Just install the motorola driver, then install rdslite and flash a .sbf image of android 2.2.1 from personal(argentina)
[Nexus S General] MjDailey:
I am looking into rooting my Nexus S so I can install an ICS ROM. This is my first time rooting so got a question.

How will OTA updates work for me? Will the ICS update just work or will I have to in root to get the official OTA update?

Sry if this has been asked before couldn't find a clear answer.
[Nexus S General] MaxCarnage:
Don't do OTAs. Any update released by Google or your manufacturer will be released here, rooted, within hours.

If you take an OTA you will lose root and could even find your phone locked again (as unlikely as that is with the NS, better safe than sorry. Ask the EVO users who took the GB OTA ;) )
[Nexus S General] suksit:
Rooting requires flashing custom recovery

OTA requires stock recovery to work properly

So if your phone has custom recovery the OTA will not work.
[Nexus S General] MjDailey:
Alright, thanks alot for the quick responses guys.
[Nexus S General] snandlal:
Once the ota is downloaded.....

* Put the zip on sdcard

* Reboot into custom recovery

* Manually flash it

* Directly after that, in the same recovery session, flash latest superuser zip

* Wipe cache

* Reboot
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
I run stock, so i'll add my two cents into this conversations. A few key points:

OTA's will NOT lock the boot loader

OTA's will work with CWM installed (The OTA will however remove CWM and needs to be manually applied)

OTA's will remove root access (the permissions on the binary get changed)

I have never seen an OTA on XDA that was pre-rooted. i have seen ROM packages that incorporate the OTA that are pre-rooted (installing these usually means a wipe of the device is needed)

if you replace the ROM on the phone, you will not get OTA updated. you must remain mostly stock to obtain them.

Custom kernels or custom google apps on stock roms will cause the OTA update to fail, however you will notified that the update is available.

I hope this answers your questions.
[Nexus S General] snandlal:
Good points.

What i do in order to maintain the full software (removing system apps, any system changes) is change the permissions of whatever i dont want to "000"

This will allow the verifying of OTA to flash.
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
This does not always work, such as installing the "Black" version of gmail over top the original, the world-wide version of navigation or using market enabler to change the prop.build file. any of these changes will cause the OTA signature to fail.

Though if you are simply removing a system app, then yes, that would work well.

Also to be noted and this just occurred to me, if the OTA is a full ROM version, then the signature won't matter and it will just install. For ICS, this is what i'm expecting.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
I'm on the fence about rooting. I know there are advantages like custom ROMs and added features, but I'm somewhat of a newb at this. While the instructions (for the Mac) seem simple enough, I always feel like something inevitably goes wrong or there's some variable I've either overlooked or don't understand that screws things up.

I definitely don't want to brick my phone.

I don't even know what I'm asking in my post, but I guess... what are some advantages of rooting? And if I root, is it fully reversible?

I'm also confused by some of the terminology. What is clockwork recovery? Is that a sort of ROM? I keep seeing that phrase every time I read instructions. Likewise, what's a bootloader? What's fastboot? Also, what's a kernel?

And after I root (as you can see, I am really tempted to), what happens next? How do I choose which ROM works for me? Is it a matter of flashing them and trying each of them out?

I'm afraid of entering the world of root, but I want to. Advice? Does it matter what baseband, or kernel or build number I have?

I'm on Android 2.3.6
[Nexus S General] MaxCarnage:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1145056

I know it's not likely, particularly with this phone, but it can happen. I maintain that if you're going to go through the process of unlocking your phone and putting a rooted ROM on it that you might as well wait for a modified OTA ROM to get posted by a trusted dev before just installing what the carrier hands out to you.

I guess maybe I should have said "re-lock"?
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
OK, let's clear a few things up here.

CWM or ClockWorkMod is a custom recover that can be installed on the phones. This step is needed because the default recovery on the nexus does not allow for updates to be installed that are unsigned. CWM does, so it's a necessary step to installing the SU binary (aka root your phone) or installing custom ROMs

The bootloader is the basic system on your phone that reacts to the power on and hands over operations to Android. The equivalent in the PC world would be a BIOS.

fastboot is a utility that is provided by google that allows you to send commands to the bootloader and direct it's operations. It's needed to unlock the bootloader (so you can replace parts of it.. like recovery with CWM)

Interestingly enough, you can boot your phone to a custom recovery WITHOUT replacing your existing stock recovery by using fastboot.

Rooting your phone is simply installing and providing the proper rights to the SU binary to allow you to have full administrative rights to the phone, the superuser application is almost always bundled with it as it allows for a form of control as to what applications can use root access. Rooting your phone allows you to install some very interesting application, most popular are titanium backup (let's you back up app data and restore them after a reset) and removing advertising (adfree/adaway or it's like) Root can also be used by some applications that allow you to "cheat" at games.

rooting your phone is reversable, though not always the easiest to do. With the stock ROMS, it's fairly easy, you just re-apply the latest OTA and it will kill Root access on your device.

When it comes to custom ROMs the vast majority come pre-rooted to save you the hassel of doing it yourself.

On other phones where the bootloader remains locked, you have to use an exploit to gain root access, this then allows you to modify the OS and install custom roms and CWM while keeping the bootloader locked. Since the Nexus line can be unlocked, it's not needed.

Please note, root access is NOT required to install a custom ROM.

---------- Post added at 02:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:56 PM ----------

That's a link to a non-nexus phone. The question here is in regards to the nexus device and i believe my statement stands 100% true. Since it's a self proclaimed "newby" asking questions, i don't want to confuse the post with un-needed and non-relevant information.
[Nexus S General] onthecouchagain:
Matridom, wow thanks. That clarifies a few things.

So, you say root access isn't required to flash custom ROMs? Let's say for example, I want to flash an ICS ROM, or even a ROM that allows me to have Backlight Notifications?

I don't need root? If I don't need root, how do I flash those ROMs?
[Nexus S General] MaxCarnage:
I'm not sure why it's so invalid to advise that he wait for someone to post an OTA that has been vetted for those of us who have unlocked our phones; I respect your opinion (even if you clearly don't mine), but your statement that I am providing "un-needed" and "non-relevant" information is a bit harsh.

The fact of the matter is that Sprint has had at least one OTA released (for the EVO 4G) that re-locked bootloaders and caused a lot of consternation for people who took the OTA on their unlocked phones and found themselves waiting months for a new exploit to be found. Those who waited had a rooted version of the OTA available on the forums very quickly, so if those who took the OTA had just waited they wouldn't have been stuck.

tl;dr: If you went to the trouble of unlocking your phone in the first place I don't see why you would rush to take an un-vetted update OTA.
[Nexus S General] krohnjw:
The key here is that SPRINT released an OTA for a SPRINT branded device. This has zero relevance to updates provided by Google for Nexus devices.
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
The issue at heart here is that fact that the OTA for the nexus line of phones comes straight from google and are not "tweaked" in any way by the carriers. (exception nexus 4g has additional applications required for CDMA support)

One of the selling features of the nexus phones is the fact that unlocking the bootloader is officially supported.

In regards to other phones getting their bootloader locked, I've experienced first hand the pains of that, having a galaxy S and the 2.3 installing a new bootloader and really screwing things up for me. In those cases, i agree with you whole heartily and to wait for pre-cracked roms that can be installed.

My question to you would be to please show an example of a nexus S getting it's booloader locked due to an OTA update as that is the phone we are discussing.

---------- Post added at 02:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:47 PM ----------

All you would need to do is to unlock the bootloader, install CWM, then apply the .zip associated with the ROM you wish to install. I would however carefully read the installation instructions for the rom as in some cases, it might be a multi-step process (such as going from a 2.2 rom to a 2.3).

Many ROMS also do not come with the google apps and secondary zip file needs to be applied to get those running (cyanogenMod does this)

I wanted to add, that the process of unlocking your bootloader will erase EVERYTHING on the phone, including the SDcard partition. So make sure you back up anything of importance.
[Nexus S General] MaxCarnage:
I can't provide an example because, as I have already stated, this was a precautionary suggestion only.

I'm not going to get into a debate with you over this; I've made my point and you've made yours. Thanks.
[Nexus S General] snandlal:
Good point again but the trick is to put your apps in /system/framework

Along with framework-res.apk.

This will add a dex file to /data/dalvik-cache, which is needed for saving upon reboot
[Nexus S General] iboj007:
Does flashing another radio that's different from your original radio impact the ability to apply an OTA?
[Nexus S General] 063_XOBX:
Rooting doesn't require flashing custom recovery.
[Nexus S General] snandlal:
No. It doesnt
[Nexus S General] albundy2010:
As someone stated already when a ota comes out it is NOT posted on the forum with root.

Someone may post a full rooted stock rom with the new ota update included.
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
Cirrect. The system signature will no longer be valid and the OTA will fail. you have 2 recourse's at this point, 1, flash back the proper radio for the OTA to be applied. or 2, apply an OTA that is a "full" rom package as these packages do not verify the system signature.
[Nexus S General] suksit:
OK, so I should add to my original post: "Rooting requires flashing custom recovery, if you want to follow the sticky guide" ;)

BTW, could you explain how to do it without using custom recovery? It would be a very nice alternative to those who don't want to flash CWM recovery.
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
Download the cwm from the sticky, the use Fastboot to boot it without flashing.

Fastboot boot recovery cwm.img

This boots you into cwm, apply the su.zip then reboot

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S General] suksit:
Oh I see, so you still have to *use* custom recovery, but don't have to actually *flash* it. :)
[Nexus S General] Matridom:
Yup, it also requires an unlocked bootloader. Your only other choicer is to use an exploit in Android to root the phone.

Sent from my Nexus S
[HTC Amaze 4G] DrnuhtZ:
Does anyone know how to get the status bar with extra quick settings for sense 3.0?
[HTC Amaze 4G] Alexia Whitehurst:
Its a smali hack... No fun and better done at the rom level then a mod level...
[HTC Amaze 4G] DrnuhtZ:
how involved is it?
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheSneakerWhore:
You need to open up the rom/framework/etc. and use the smali/sdk to push your changes. It requires that you understand the code, and add/subtract using sdk tools to compile the changes.

Not for the feint of heart.
[HTC Amaze 4G] DrnuhtZ:
pm with a price if you can get me an install and uninstall .zip file i can use.
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheSneakerWhore:
No need...I do everything for free. I don't have a window's box right now, so many of my pet projects are on hold for a bit...stuck with my crappy MacBookfor a bit. As soon as I get my notebook running I'll tackle some things.
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheSneakerWhore:
Might be getting a notebook Friday...maybe a release then? Hoping the seller comes through.
[Motorola Photon 4G] js11222:
I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
[Motorola Photon 4G] chibucks:
i'm guessing because the unlocked bootloader is killing 4g - and people are waiting until there's a fix for that to start pumping out the roms...
[Motorola Photon 4G] roundeye1987:
Would you rather have fifteen mediocre ROM choices or a couple good ones? I guess what I'm getting at is what do you want in your ROM? We've got some very talented developers here and have a couple solid, daily ROM's plus kernals. I'm just waiting fora good ICS build to come out. :-P

BTW I don't think you'll regret your decision. :)
[Motorola Photon 4G] the12nv:
First I think that we need to start with the fact that this is a drawn out question that has been brought up a dozen times (try looking). This is a question that will easily piss off several people in the XDA world, especially the seasoned posters. How many ROM's do you need? I also had a EVO and yes there were SEVERAL ROM's however most of the them were slight variations of the same ROM, just with a personal developers twist on it. (by the way - all hail the Developers). In regards to the MoPho, the unlocked bootloader is a issue, however, the MoPho ran better than the EVO fresh out the box. I personally am running CM7 and I can not believe a phone can be this damn responsive, this fast, and this damn awesome. So when you ask the question, Why so few ROMS - try clicking on one of the several links that the website refers you to that shows other people asking the same question. Remeber the golden rule to XDA - search for the answer first!
[Motorola Photon 4G] KTT16:
Really? Wait, let me get this straight...really?
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
Its hard to improve a great phone, the evo sucked and needed roms.
[Motorola Photon 4G] jbuggydroid:
Amen to that!!!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] frigid:
Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
No they just dont like modders.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Equalizir:
Nice.
[Motorola Photon 4G] lroy:
first of all, welcome to the photon community. hope you stay a while.

second, you will find that development has only just picked up heavy in the last month. the same went for the EVO, it takes time to develop.

third, please check out the roms we do have, they are wonderful and if you like CM7, we have that!

Id rather have a great build like CM7 then a million roms that are just a snowflake from being the same thing. few is better to me when it comes to rom builds.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Cheap sucker, lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] js11222:
Thanx for all the responses. Im looking for a daily,stable,customizable rom with everything working. With the exception of 4g which i dont get where i live anyways. I dont care for blur nor did i for sense. Im good with a solid aosp rom.
[Motorola Photon 4G] inimitableac:
CM7 all the way

Sent from one Bad MOPHO
[Motorola Photon 4G] Gack69:
Just go with Cybik's CM7 port. It is being submitted to Cyanogen for approval, so will be hopefully soon, a fully supported and "blessed" ROM. The lack of 4G is a non-issue for me, no 4G in my area, but would be nice to eventually get it for when I travel.
[Motorola Photon 4G] radrian92:
Agree, except for snowflake part. Each is unique with no two being the same :cool:
[Motorola Photon 4G] Taagu:
Jokers skinny 4g has been good to me, but hope we get a unlocked 4g soon.
[Motorola Photon 4G] daddymikey1975:
I resemble the above remark :D

Here goes the soapbox (yet again):

js11222, your seemingly harmless question (the title of the thread) wasn't horrible.. however the first post you made in this thread is absurd.....

Sadly ?? :rolleyes:

What was this 'thought' based on ??

if your phone choice was based on the 'thought' or 'hope' of a certain number of ROM's or a certain quantity of development then you might want to re-consider the basis by which you make electronics purchases.

And for the love of all that is holy, please research/search before posting and stop insulting the development that we DO have. Obviously you haven't spent any time reading in the fora to make a fair assessment of the status of development for this device yet you are very quick to hop in the general forum and make (what seems to be) a complaint thread.

just sayin'

/soapbox
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
ALL ROMs on ALL phones are based on rooted deodex stock, AOSP or porting. 99% of those ROMs are nothing more than minor changes to either stock or AOSP. Almost everything can be done with flashable theme packs.

The remaining 1% are serious rewrites, optimizations or ports. For example, ROMs like CM7, Vaelpak and Synergy are serious coding. Changing the font or color scheme is theming and not a ROM.
[Motorola Photon 4G] js11222:
Dear daddymikey1975

First off its not my fault your RETARTED second i wasnt putting anyone down and last but not least i was just asking a simple question and not complaining so thats my thought process
[Motorola Photon 4G] zombierockstar:
Sadly...I don't see a 'simple question' in your original post and we don't really need to be throwing around insults! Just sayin'...