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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
iPad 2 gpu has more raw power but not the resources to back it up. There are hardly any ipad2 only optimized games out. Most stuff I can still run on my ipad1. I don't think Asus never claimed 12 hours battery life with 4 cores running at once. I never assumed that either. I see what you are saying though. Just compare the different battery reviews. Plus battery wasn't even truly calibrated yet. So it'll get more than 5 hrs. In normal mode. You have to remember to we talking about apple, the king kong of tech..lol they have the money to be lit years ahead of the game. That's why my ipad1 still performs great for me although it's clearly not the highest spec tablet out now.

The go out in get an ipad2 was just a joke. Android is getting closer and closer to closing the gap on quality and performance with iPad. This Asus Transformer prime is what will start the next wave/revolution of high tech tablets and Android in general. I've been thinking also about those different power modes and display modes of which I would use the most. Seems like the balanced mode does well without noticeable drop in performance since it uses amped up dual core. I would think normal mode only needed for intense gaming or very resource hungry apps. We will see once it comes out. Regardless, this will be a great price of machinery at a lower price entry and higher gb storage than ipad2.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] magicpork:
Anand review reports 9 hours and Engadget reports 10 hours battery use....both tablet only..

either the unit the Verge got was faulty..or their battery test was significantly different
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
What is this Prime "normal mode" and "balanced mode"?

I know what they are, but is there some kind of a "switch" to choose between normal and balanced mode?

An option in the setting?

I thought the Tegra 3 will determine this 5ft core functionality (when to use) automatically.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Asus implements 3 different settings for the Quadcore, this is from Anandtech.com:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/6
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
Thanks ... So the difference between Normal and Balance is 0.1 - 0.2 ...

Normal = Max 1.4 GHz (1 core) or 1.3 GHz (2 - 4 cores)

Balanced = Max 1.2 GHz (1 - 4 cores)

Not much different, isn't it?

I would choose Balanced and be done with it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] slient:
The mode also determines how the CPU speed scales to meet loads

ie Balanced would be slower to rise to its max 1.2 GHz than Normal
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] blaziner18:
wow op sounds like an apple fanboy, he just keeps ignoring what everyone has to say about the review being the only one to state a 5 hour energy life.

if its only 5 hours i wouldn't buy it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I do not own a single Apple device and recently purchased Galaxy Nexus in my line of Android devices. I am also an Android developer. Just because I am disappointed by the battery life on the so-called 'normal' mode does not mean I am an Apple fanboy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] magicpork:
both anand and engadget reviews were running Normal mode too...and the batter life rivels iPad even without dock..and certainly the best among all android tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
You still fail to accept what everyone else is saying.

But here's an idea: Just get the prime and send it back to where ever you bought if it doesn't please you...

What about checking the battery life YOURSELF before whining here? Good idea? :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
Are we turning into Apple fanboys ourselves!? Seriously, I can be critical about the device, stop acting as if I don't have a right to voice my concerns or share my opinion.

Of course I will check the battery myself once it's released. I simply expected it to perform better in reviews than it has. This is not just because The Verge shows weaker battery life than devices released months ago, but also AnandTech, where the battery apparently lasts less than iPad 2 as well. I keep bringing out iPad 2 not only because it is so widely known, but also because it is the standard other devices are measured against in terms of application speed and UI.

I simply expected it to blow opposition out of the water, but it is only marginally better in some ways. The quad-core also does not enhance Android experience as has been pointed out, it doesn't make the UI and apps slicker unless in really obvious examples, like a game (and iPad 2 is also great in games).

I am also disappointed to hear that some of the integral things, like a browser, is not as fast as one would expect from a quad-core device. The lags in zooming and moving around have been pointed out in reviews.

And it just outright loses against iPad 2 in processing power too.

So it costs as much as an iPad 2, but loses out in both battery life and performance. It is better in some ways, like the camera, but really, it does not blow the opposition out of the water. It will not be the 'best Android tablet' out there for long either.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
You won't get all that from Android compared to iOS. As a developer you should know that.

Apples devices will be always a bit smoother and faster. And longer lasting too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
You are choosing to use one review that differs from all of the rest of them regarding battery life, and making huge assumptions on the performance (which I believe you are very wrong regarding)...

I think that's what others in the thread are talking about. It's like you are doom-n-gloom about this device, by making likely erroneous assumptions, and by taking an anomaly data point as the norm. (almost seems like trolling)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
Incorrect, other reviews also show less-than-expected battery life.

I am sorry that you don't want to hear anyone saying anything bad about the device you are spending a lot of money on, but I am simply sharing my opinion. I will be getting the device, but I am not as excited about it, since I expected the device to be simply better. Being just the best android tablet is not really saying much.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
And this is what happen when you release a Hot device with a not so hot software...

God, why don't they wait for ICS before releasing the Prime to the press...

Honeycomb is half baked of course it's going to be trash by the reviews.

I hate it when company throw away their chances to succeed.

At least I hope that in store Prime models will be with ICS onboard so that people can actualy try the final device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] polbit:
+1. This thread is pointless.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I hope so too. Galaxy Nexus is a really snappy device that runs on the same resolution and is just dual core. There are occasional lags here or there in the UI, but they are brief.

I do hope that ICS will put it above other devices in terms of performance and according to some reports Asus is working on battery improvements as well, so there's still hope that it'll be great once it's released :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ModestMuse23:
This, this exactly.

I feel like every problem this guy keeps beating his chest about will be resolved with the 4.0 update. I knew releasing with Honeycomb would greatly influence the reviews for it.

ASUS really missed out on the launch of this tablet. If they could have somehow got it out mid November with 4.0 on board. It would have been THE device of this holiday season. By releasing it so close to Christmas and still rocking Honeycomb, they missed out on massive Christmas sales, and they compounded it by all the initial reviews reflecting Honeycomb problems.

As far as battery life goes, it's been said that the companion core can run HD Video by itself, that means we should get CLOSE to advertised battery life if we run the tablet on 'balanced' while watching videos. I believe getting 10-14 hours (with dock) of video playback on a mobile device will be more than acceptable for my uses.

I also think this poster is putting too much weight in a single review that was created with less than a week with the device. I think after another week and more power cycles and the 4.0 update we should get different results. But apparently the OP's mind is already made up and he will continue to beat his chest about how great the iPad 2's battery and processing are. Personally I'm not fond of iOS at all, so the iPad 2 is not an option for me. This appears to be the best Android tablet on the market with a fantastic keyboard dock, it makes the decision to buy a no-brainer for me.

E: I forgot to mention, ASUS's track record with updating their devices also weighs heavily on my decision to purchase from them. I strongly believe they will push updates to get better performance & battery life as well as the latest OS updates. This can't be said for every company. Take these initial reviews (while still glowing) with a grain of salt. I think we'll know a lot more about where it's headed with the 4.0 update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] RussianMenace:
The device is yet to be released. Nor is it running ICS yet. I will hold of my judgment until both of those criteria have been satisfied. Then if it doesn't measure up I will explore my alternatives be it the iPad2(3) or the slew of upcoming Android tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
All the reviews say that the battery life were better tha nexpected.

Asus says 12 hours maximum. The reviewers all get about 10 hours with FAR HIGHER drain. Nobody actually tested the way asus did. Just read how asus tested the battery life...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
Asus's Prime event in Taiwan is happening and the devices shown are running ICS sandwich.

So I'm guessing those models running Honeycomb that press were very prompt to review (a little to prompt if you ask me, I read they had the tablet like 2-3 days ago) won't ever see the hands of a customers.

Here's a link to some videos of the show floor in taiwan.

http://www.youtube.com/user/sogitv
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
You are blind. What can I say? Again, you are taking an anomaly data point, and making a summary judgement. That's just messed up.

How about killing the other android tablets in performance?

SUNSPIDER QUADRANT OVERALL	QUADRANT CPU
Eee Pad Transformer Prime	1707.3ms	3132	5453
Eee Pad Transformer	2273.3ms	1610	3860
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1	2374.2ms	2040	2744
Motorola Xoom	2335.0ms	1024	3886

Can't you be happy? ;)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
The problem is that you can't really compare Asus advertised battery life and the results from the sites.

Asus said the prime will run 12h with "battery save" and "60nits". 12h means that the device uses 2,08 watt/hour. If someone increase the brightness of the display then the power will go up. And with 1 watt more the device will only running 8:20.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Exactly. People need to learn reading the little * on Asus' site...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
So? You are doing the exact same thing. Prime loses out on performance in all tests here. And not just little, by a noticable margin. Reviewers also pointed out that performance of a browser is weak for a quad-core device. This only shows that benchmarks don't really matter. Reviewers (and not just The Verge) do say that it is not as snappy as you'd expect.

I am hoping though that this is because of Honeycomb, since I have ICS on my Galaxy Nexus and while it lags sometimes, it doesn't do it noticably and browser is much better. I hope the same from Prime once it gets 4.0.

Better than expected? I don't think so, you'd at least expect better battery life than nearest competitor (that sells their device for premium prices). Battery life tests so far:

The Verge 5h vs iPad2 9h

AnandTech 9h vs iPad2 13h

Engadget 10h on both

UberGizmo 10h video, estimating down to 6h on more active use

AndroidCentral (still testing)

PCMag (did not test)

ZDNet (did not test)

But I am personally hoping it is down to the battery fix that is rumoured as well as ICS, as my Galaxy Nexus is impressive without an impressive battery.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] [TSON]:
It's the fact that they cross-eyedly tested without building necessary battery caches first. The first time you run any Android device, it doesn't know how big the battery voltage is so it can't properly manage or measure the battery progress and may shut off or report that it's fully charged prematurely. You have to "break in" in device. This reviewer was like OH LOOK THE PRIME, charged it to 99%, and immediately did a battery test. If you did that with the RAZR for example, you'd get 3 hours of battery life.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mletchworth:
Am I the only one totally missing the point of this thread? Why would anyone compare the iPad2 to ANY android tablet??? I bought my wife an iPad2 and she loves it - I don't. I'm buying the Prime for myself because it destroys every other android tablet out there. It wouldn't matter to me if the iPad2 never needed to be charged and ran 10X faster than the Prime. Unless it runs android OS, I don't want it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
Why do you compare it to the iPad? I talked about Asus own information about battery life.

If you want an iPad, get an iPad. As I said earlier, you won't get iPad runtime with iPad size and Android on it... Just accept that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] skeptikal:
Wow, that Anandtech review is eye-opening. I am really surprised at the battery life and GPU power of the iPad2. I would never buy an iOS device other than Cisco ;) but I have to say I am impressed by what Apple was able to do with the iPad2. i wonder why they chose that aspect ratio? Anyway, I have the amethyst Prime on preorder from Adorama and I can't wait to get it. I'm also getting an OG Galaxy Tab for work around the same time. Should be fun.

Also, I think kristovaher has every right to be critical of this device. I kind of hate to hear the criticism myself because I want to think I am spending $700 on an iPad killer. However i think the Anandtech review clearly shows that we unfortunately aren't there yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrGiggles:
To much reading into things here.. its like trying to find a huge fault on something that has yet to even come into our own hands.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rwniel:
I imagine the Prime will follow the same roller-coaster 'ebb and flow' as the original transformer did. Immense excitement and expectation (prior to release), followed by arguably a more measured expectation mixed in with disappointment. Some disappointments will remain, but on the whole solutions will be found to many of the issues, limitations or quirks.

Battery benchmarks, only really tell you one thing though, namely battery life varies depending on how you use it. :) The problem I see with having a fixed screen brightness setting (for example Engadget's use a 50% brightness, The Verge a 65% one) is that overall screen brightness is going to vary depending on the make/model of the device. It's quite possible that 50% brightness setting might be too bright for general use, or conversely not bright enough on one model compared to another. As the screen is a big draw of power that in itself could make a significant difference. While Asus' tests probably aren't ideal either at least they used a fixed brightness of 60nits (which is at least repeatable across different displays).

The Verge review especially, was critical of the Prime in a number of areas. But at the end of the the day, I do respect Joanna Stern's opinion and while there were criticisms the overall score was an 8.2/10. So well above average and which also opens up the possibility of improvements with better optimisation of both the OS and also apps.

Regarding battery life, if the Prime doesn't show a 'marked' improvement over the original transformer for my usage pattern and given how power saving improvements has been touted heavily by Nvidia with Tegra 3 it would be a disappointment. 'Marked improvement' is again open to individual interpretation though. But it's common sense that if you hammer all 4 cores continually with wi-fi active (which is what initially happens when you load a complex web-page for example) then you're going to see a shorter battery life. But scrolling through a page and reading might be enough to drop the Tegra 3 back to a single core or even the companion core.

Robert
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
True, but you know, it serves its need since you sort of have to figure out if the device is for you or is not.

I'm a little disappointed with the battery life and performance, but I am still going to pay a lot of money to purchase it (I shall pay quite a bit, considering that I'll order from US and pay 20% customs tax and transport fees). It won't be an iPad 2 killer, nor will it be Amazon Kindle Fire killer (despite being a much, much better device in terms of hardware and software), but I will be getting it as a replacement to my laptop.

Trading netbook for a tablet has its pluses and minuses. I gain on battery time and usability, but lose out on multitasking and performance. And I have to keep in mind that Windows 8 tablets are arriving in force soon as well, so that is why I am somewhat critical.

Don't get me wrong, I love Transformer Prime and I'll be paying like the rest of you who have or are pre-ordering. But I am also critical since the early previews made me think it will be more impressive than it is.

This is of course completely my own fault getting my expectations too high :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Diamondback:
I would really wait for the device to have it in your own hands.

In the past time I actually NEVER agreed with any of the reviews of the devices I had.

(Apart from that I think all review sites have pre-production model and we don't know what that really means :) )

Don't make yourself unhappy with those reviews. Test it for yourself first :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I remember one of the reviews (can't remember which) stating that ASUS plans on releasing a firmware update soon that resolves some performance issues. I'll wait for that before passing final judgment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Magnesus:
Keep in mind that Nvidia added 5th core later. It might mean that they discovered that without it battery life is very bad so they added 5th core to fix it. I wouldn't expect more battery life than Tegra2 has. I'm afraid it could have less if heavy used (although I use my screens always at minimum brightness, so I get often a little more battery life than in reviews).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Wow, I knew this thread would start blowing up after my post..lol. Just like the other guy said, wait till device is in your hands to do your own review based on how you would use it. Reviews are good for only guaging a baseline of howmthe device performs. We all know honeycomb is not the best optimized OS for this Tegra3. Once ICS comes out, I'm pretty sure battery life and performance will go up greatly. If it does this good now on honeycomb, compared to other Android tablets, not ipad2..lol, then just imagine what the optimized ICS will bring. It's already been stated this Asus transformer prime with tegra3 is nvidias flagship model to be first with Tegra3 and will be googles test mule for optimizing ICS with tegra3 quad core. This seems like the first time a new version of OS for android will be optimized for new hardware, as far as these new tablets go.

I can't lie though. When I clicked on your link, in a previous post, to Anatech review, I started to feel what you were saying. Almost got kimda mad seeing how ipad2 was beating out this quad core tablet in a lot of GPU benchmarks. I quickly snapped out of it though. There were plenty of other categories in which the Prime clearly was beast. It's all about making the most out of what you got and optimization and efficiency. That's what apple has always been known for. Ipad2 only has 512mb of RAM yet still outperforms most on market now. Optimization and efficiency is Apples main goals when creating new devices. Like I said before, Android is getting there and starting to realize this more n more. Ice Cream Sandwich will be the beginning of true optimization and efficiency for Android. As stated before, ipad2 does a lot of great things very well BUT so does the Prime also. It's gonna be king Kong(Apple) vs. Godzilla(Android). If you remember well the u.s. Version had king kong winning. The Japanese version had Godzilla winning. Every side has their fans. But we all know Godzilla would kill King Kong in an instant..lmao.

Also Anandtech also said they will redo their battery tests again, testing other modes as well and I'm sure that will yield even better results. Don't let a seemingly bad or avg. Review be your sole measure on getting this great price of machinery. You be the judge. You can always return it if you don't feel satisfied. And I highly doubt it will be the latter. This thread wasn't useless or trolling, I see where you were coming from. Gotta keep an open mind though and let yourself be the final deciding factor. This device isn't even in our hands yet and people already ripping it apart or writing it off on battery and speaker issues..lmao. If Asus would've waited till ICS was ready for tegra3 then everyone would be mad it's not released yet. I'll be excited to just get my hands on this device running honeycomb, latest build. OTA update to ICS might be as soon as you take it out the box or shortly after.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bimboy:
demandarin, completely agree. Great summary.

Anybody can look at something and nitpick. It's not too hard. I think that I must be a glass-half-full kind of guy, and there are always glass-half-empty people too. Fact of life.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Beknatok:
I find all of this back and forth, comparing different reviewers' battery tests as if they were apples to apples, a bunch of nonsense.

Each reviewer has done something different for their battery test. Let's take what The Verge & Anandtech stated they tested as examples.

The Verge:

Unfortunately, they do not offer any further details about their methods. How fast and often were they loading these 100 sites? Once every 5 seconds, 15 seconds, 60 seconds? Approximately how much data each set of 100 sites need to pull down? They also state "and downloads high resolution pictures..." Were they doing this simultaneously? Was this continual some sort of download?

It can be implied that they were really hammering the Transformer Prime this whole time, attempting to fully max out their wifi bandwidth the whole time. What I'd really like to see, are accompaning charts showing CPU & network utilization throughout this whole time period. Were all four CPUs maxed for 5 hours STRAIGHT? Normal usage, such as watching a lengthly movie or playing a high end game, would not even fully max out a quad core for that long.

Let's compare against what another site did.

Anandtech:

Their tests resulted in more "reasonable" numbers. But again, their article lacks a great deal of detail.

Dig deeper next time, think more about what each reviewer is doing, and assess your conclusions based on that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] [TSON]:
Where in that post did I mention the iPad?

And I do believe it's only a matter of time before we best the iPad in both battery life and performance; the Tegra 3 is dangerously close to begin with.