yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Finally got it to work on the x515m, had to create a backup of my rooted 1.49.0012 with rev cwm then with a locked bootloader using adb then the pg86img.zip was found and installed no more bad zip :-) then relocked HTC and unlocked did Su install again and now 1.49.1107 s off with root and Su
[HTC EVO 3D] zaferaxu:
You did but how?

I tried many times,nothing changed at bootloader screen still sys ''Unlocked''

My Hboot is 1.49.0012 I will broke my phone
[HTC EVO 3D] alpha-dog:
me to, its not working at all for me.

i think its something to do with how the bootloader is unlocked and how the phone is rooted before even following this tutorial.

again this tutorial is poorly wrote and should be cleaned up a bit, perhaps a FAQ section in the first post.
[HTC EVO 3D] madshabz:
I followed this tutorial word to word but after bootloader checks the PG86IMG it tells me: Model ID Incorrect.
[HTC EVO 3D] alpha-dog:
how do i lock with HTCdev? on their website it only lets me unlock the bootloader but not lock it :s

EDIT: now ive locked it again and at the top of the screen it says "relocked" but it wont open the "PG86IMG.zip" file says its the wrong image or something...

ANOTHER EDIT: someone shouldve said that the vertical bar on the right is a loading bar, also the update is stuck on number 4 "system" it keeps unzipping and updating it. is it supposed to do this?
[HTC EVO 3D] zaferaxu:
I did every steps,finally at last step it says ''Update failure Main version older''

:confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Try re editing the hex file, go to your phones model number the 1.22 etc number and change to the same as your phones but do 1.20
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Hi you just unlock I.e fastboot oem lock command in cmd prompt using HTC dev then instead of clicking yes to unlock when prompted on phone click no
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Try re editing hex to match ur model number but with 1.20 at beggining
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
It may not change on ur phone but it is locked if your using adb boot lock
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Did you get to 1.49.1107 yet ? And yes my phone installed entire ROM again so will load all files
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
I think your all quite close to doing it you just need to keep at it until it works, like I said earlier the hex edit is a key step for when you install from the bootloader. Possible errors while following are hex needs re editing based upon your model numbers as they may all be different. This may be causing issues and other issues maybe that you haven't created a backup of your own ROM using ROM manager to start with? I can see someone who hadn't yet backed up the ROM as they got the pg86img.zip not recognised or bad file error again. Like I say this is my version of what worked for me I cannot help with the variables you may have in model numbers etc. Or your ability to use and understand adb system as adb is key to this guide
[HTC EVO 3D] alliance_22:
Hey bud, not totally true on the Wifi, i got mine working on any rom i put on :)

I got the file somewhere on my comp, i extracted the file from the original optus rom, then basically flashed the WiFi component over the top of any new roms i put on, that will allow WiFi to work regardless of the Rom you have on.

follow the below and download the working WiFi file for Australia's Optus network on HBoot 1.49.0018

1. Simply download this file: http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=799720&d=1322626395

2. extract using 7z

3. copy the extracted file/s to your SD card.

4. Using root explorer, copy and replace the file in: system\lib\module

5. Using root explorer, set the permission to the file as the following:

xx0

x00

x00

6. Turn off Wifi, and on again

with this Wifi Fix, it means that aussie optus owners can now use HTC's method to unlock the phone, and then install a rom of their liking, then use this file to patch the Wifi error.

---
[HTC EVO 3D] Tuna9351:
GENIUS!!! Seemed so simple so i never considered it...If you don't mind could I ask where you got your Optus Rom? or was it just your Backup'd Rom?
[HTC EVO 3D] zaferaxu:
Finally I did it.

Downgaded Hboot 1.49.0012===>1.49.0007

S-Off and custom recovery and I am using Leedroid rom with LeeDroid kernel
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Did my guide help at all? If not I may remove all posts p.s. the shooter 2.0 Rom with anthrax kernel is brilliant
[HTC EVO 3D] zaferaxu:
This message helped me

But after this line :

C:\adb>adb shell

I typed su
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Haha at least one bit helped may leave it on then,
[HTC EVO 3D] zaferaxu:
Sorry your message helped me.

Because main problem was it.When finished all steps,I checked again witth Hex editor realised it wasn't change to 1.20 and I changed again finally everything changed.

Can We say ''main version older'' problem=related Hex Editor step?
[HTC EVO 3D] fahdbhatti:
for this problem simply first root your phone after unlocking your E3D by using adb command to push cmw recovery to your phone and then by installing su.zip

after that type:

c:\adb\adb shell

and then you will see $ type su and enter then you will see # after this copy and paste the command starting with dd

this will solve your problem as i had exactly the same problem and did this, had no problems
[HTC EVO 3D] Darkmx2000:
Now is only this was possible for the CDMA Evo 3D :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] madshabz:
how come i keep getting the "Model ID Incorrect" error?
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
You need to re edit your hex file, check your model number I.e. the 1.22. Etc number and re edit it in hex editor, change it to 1.20. At the beggining,
[HTC EVO 3D] alliance_22:
Happy new year guys!!

And with the Optus rom, its just my backup, i figured it'll be best to backup the original before playing around with custom :D

Cheers

Alliance

PS: If anyone needs it, i'm happy to share the original optus rom. But just be aware that i've removed from my rom:

- Optus Startup animation

- Optus bloatware

So in reality, its not the total original rom, i wish i had made a backup of it for warranty purposes.
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
s off ota official update ha ha ha

as i recovered my phone back to my downgraded hboot i got an ota htc update flash up so decided why not. i soon realised i couldnt do the update without reflashing the pg86img.zip as i needed official ruu recovery so did this only to find im still s-off :-) now running hboot 1.49.0018, stock ruu, rev cwm recovery and managed to get all my free 3d games back that i lost in the first place haha thanks htc ability to keep s- off, root and ota updates from htc is good
[HTC EVO 3D] gjiebax:
Success!!!

Good tutorial.. im now on hboot 007..ehehe from 0011.. =)
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Bro i have this error ..

C:\adb>adb shell dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p21 of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk0p31.img

/dev/block/mmcblk0p21: cannot open for read: Permission denied
[HTC EVO 3D] Flashmaniac:
do that:

adb shell

$su

accept the su request on ur evo.

now you are like this:

#

then

dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p21 of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk0p31.img

;)
[HTC EVO 3D] steveruthless:
hboot 1.49.0011 finally downgrade to 1.49.1107..revolutionary-s-off.thank for all the tutorials
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
K bro will try later thanks ...
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
bro new error ...

C:\adb>fastboot oem writecid HTC__001

...

(bootloader) vreg_set: request is duplicated id 14

(bootloader) shooter_u_init_sd, SD card power on ok

(bootloader) sdcc_init_memory_device done

(bootloader) [FAT_ERROR] fat_open_file: can not find SMART_IO.CRD

(bootloader) [JAVACARD_ERR] SMART_IO.CRD cann't find

(bootloader) Start Verify: 3

(bootloader) Start Verify: 3

(bootloader) erase sector 130560 ~ 131071 (512)

(bootloader) TZ_HTC_SVC_DISABLE ret = 66977136 (0x3FDFD70)

FAILED (status read failed (Too many links))

finished. total time: 2.718s:D
[HTC EVO 3D] pehkblui:
Did it reboot into bootloader on its own after this? If yes, then it's probably done.

If not, boot into bootloader yourself and do

fastboot oem getvar cid

See if your cid is changed already.

This FAILED message is very misleading.
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Ya it was reboot itself and I continue the following but my hboot is still 0011....:-)
[HTC EVO 3D] pehkblui:
Not sure if I understood you correctly but there is still a lot to do after changing the CID.

I was on 0011 as well. Your phone is definitely not sim lock. So you should be able to get 1107 at least. Just follow the OP's guide.
[HTC EVO 3D] emperor_htg:
you can use "root explorer" copy file "mmcblk0p31" in system because "mmcblk0p31" in dev/block/prem.1

---------- Post added at 09:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:17 AM ----------

because "mmcblk0p31.img" in "dev/block/prem.1" of system phone. use "root explorer" wiew & copy & replace its
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Okay Thanks , let me try on it later (just paste it to system only right) then reboot it to bootloader and let it flash the PG86IMG.zip file ... ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] emperor_htg:
oh. after you can : C:\adb>fastboot oem writecid HTC__001

check CID : C:\adb>fastboot oem getvar cid

---------- Post added at 09:55 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:54 AM ----------

oh. after you can : C:\adb>fastboot oem writecid HTC__001

check CID : C:\adb>fastboot oem getvar cid

...relock phone and you can use goldcard update
[HTC EVO 3D] WaveMaster1406:
Downgraded >> Unlocked >> S-OFFed :D

1M of thanx Navrasis!!! ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
bro i can't find this "dev/block/prem.1" in my device only i saw "dev/block"
[HTC EVO 3D] dragonlyon:
Hello community, I am HBOOT 1.49.0018, CID VODAP203 (I think the CID is important for the downgrade), impossible for me (and others) to change the CID HTC__001. I remain indefinitely VODAP203. We should be able to change to another file that damn CID. What do you think? Because suddenly, it can not perform the downgrade.

The whole beginning of the procedure goes well, except of course the error message that almost everyone after the change of CID, and of course the flash file PG86IMG.ZIP, I end up with an error because of an incorrect CID ...

While some with the same original CID came to do the downgrade to 1.49.0007, it would be really nice to give the solution ...

Sorry for my English, I'm French and the text is translated by Google translation.
[HTC EVO 3D] emperor_htg:
file can hiden.you checked.note device must root & unlock
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
No good here Telstra H-Boot 1.49.0012 same error as rest
[HTC EVO 3D] steveathome:
I gave up. Have learn't to use ADB (a little bit anyway) and Flash GUI app. You can do most things except radio which is not important anyway. I don't have my own Evo 3d anymore and use a friends who has gone to Samsung.

I think the most important thing about rooting is getting rid of bloat, smoothness in use and themes. My phone really only used for calls,sms,G+,Facebook and Twitter. I'm using KingCobra and its brilliant. Everything just works. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Will i get better IO reads if I have S-Off? I,m running Leedroid v5 and have been flashing Kernel thru Flash Image GUI and it seems there are slight glitches in between the two process? I just feel it would be better to have full access to the system from the get go.
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Can u advise what root file explore .. TQ
[HTC EVO 3D] emperor_htg:
U find in "dev/block" to forder?
[HTC EVO 3D] steveruthless:
what is the hboot number after the downgrade?many say 007...mine is 1.49.1107.downgrade from 1.49.0011?confuse.
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
I saw platform & vold folder only ...
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Should we use gold card method ? To bypass and flash to euro Rom ..
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
I'm from Asia .. wwe
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
You get that H-Boot version when you unlock with revolutionary.io it is still 1.49.0007 but just reads as 1.49.1107 so don't stress

---------- Post added at 07:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 AM ----------

I have tryed the gold card method and still no good for H-Boot 1.49.0012.
[HTC EVO 3D] fahadj2003:
how can i find my original cid?

i mean, if i've changed it from fast boot, where can i get the original stock id?
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Can you change it back with Hex editor
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
Yeah I did it ... finally , I've trying thousand time ... but just now i was only use HTC.DEV to relocked my bootloader and is was successful after it let me flash the PG86IMG.zip and now my Hboot is on 1.49.0007 hahahah

Thanks to____Metronom76, glennd, pehkblui, emperor_htg .:D:D
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Can you list the steps you did to get s-off just for interest?
[HTC EVO 3D] devmeet:
Firstly i need to know that after the step to reboot bootloader via adb first the phone is in bootloader....Do I reboot the phone then and then switch to disk drive mode

Secondly I cant find mmcblk0p31.img to open in the hex editor Where is that found?

Please help...thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] dolcegabana:
Thanks Metronom76 bro....iam from Malaysia, my evo3D stock are Hboot 11... Now iam success DownGrade...Tkns from your tutorial and advise
[HTC EVO 3D] pchnick:
Hi all! Thanks for showing the tutorial. I have a question, after downgrading 1.20.401.2 from 1.22.707.2, I'm not able to s off by using revolutionary-0.4pre4. Coz It just stuck in the first step when using the revolutionary tool.
[HTC EVO 3D] ianhawke:
Sorry to bother you devs, I usually wouldn't ask things unless I really cannot figure stuff out myself... This is one such time.

Ok, in the Bootloader screen I have

*** UNLOCKED ***

SHOOTER_U PVT SHIP S-ON RL

HBOOT-1.49.0012

eMMC-boot

Aug 4 2011,14:10:29

Then, Voda IT

c:\adb>fastboot getvar cid

cid: VODAP405

Alright, I understand that a simple adb cid won't do, so I made myself a goldcard, but after scanning the image it will tell me update is not possible (from the exe will fail, from the .zip in the goldcard it will read the image, then procede forward and stop).

I am trying to do this using this image

RUU_Shooter_U_HTC_Europe_1.20.401.8_Radio_10.59.9020.00_10.15.9020.06_M_release_219793_signed.exe

I edited the hex bit fo the file xxx31.img to have 1.20.401.8 as I thoguht it might work out, but to no avail.

Could you guys please give me a little hand? I am certain I'm not that far, it might just be a problem with the RUU I am picking (there is a VODA UK one RUU_Shooter_U_Vodafone_UK_1.21.161.1_Radio_10.53.9020.00_10.13.9020.08_2M_release_203613_signed.exe, would this be better?), or anything else.

Could you give me any insight? Is matching the hex file with the file version correct as far as the procedure goes? Am I forgetting something elementary but crucial?

Tyvm for any replies, I really wanna see if Leedroid's ROM will fix my battery issues even just a little bit...
[HTC EVO 3D] pehkblui:
Yours is sim locked? As far as I understand this tutorial won't work.

You need to find a way to unlock the sim first before coming to this. They are 2 different issues requiring different hacks.

---------- Post added at 10:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:10 AM ----------

Seems like you didn't follow the OP's thread. You need to downgrade the hboot to 0007 or 0008 before heading to revolution... Going to 1.20.401.2 is just some preparation work for downgrading the hboot.
[HTC EVO 3D] ianhawke:
Mh, I don't think you followed the whole discussion thoroughly, still I tried with the SIM from another operator, it registered correctly on its network, so no, I don't believe this is a simlocked phone. I knew it before already as it's not use of any operators in Italy to lock the phones anymore (especially these ones, as they are effectively yours from day 1, although you are stuck with a 2 years contract nonetheless). The only ones I think might be doing that are the guys from 3G, and it's stupid given I can unlock my phone for 10 euros in about 5 minutes nonetheless...

I'd like insights especially from the OP and the guys who managed to unlock their carrier branded phones. I had an HTC Diamond 1 ones that was Vodafone branded and I managed to change CID, free it up and make it upgradeable to any build I wanted. The process would be the same, and although I reckon it's probably not an identical path, the idea of downgrading to an original rom with the goldcard seems reliable.

Any hints on what might be going wrong on my tries?
[HTC EVO 3D] fksuperstar:
I'm was stuck on relock .. so I try to go back htcdev and follow the step to relock my bootloader ,after it restart and automatic flash pg86img.zip .

I just put pg86img.zip and Mmcblkop31 on my sdcard ..
[HTC EVO 3D] Darkcode31337:
Q: f 1.22.707.2 to 1.20.405.1 will it effect when trying to restore stock ruu? Or permanent i had to use 405 than my stock 707?
[HTC EVO 3D] michiganoao:
Hi! Do you think you can get your bootloader back to *locked* now for warranty? Or did anyone else try it with just flash stock HTC RUU after using this method?

Gesendet von meinem HTC Desire HD A9191 mit Tapatalk
[HTC EVO 3D] DuratecPaul:
This didnt work for me.

NextG 1.49.0012 where be4 I tried this it was 1.49.0011

king cobra 3d v1.8

Failed at the .img flash

and when I try to choose another img to flash says the server is up for maintenance.
[HTC EVO 3D] Flashmaniac:
dude, ur s/n is saved at HTC, that you have used and agreed to the terms and conditions of unlocking ur Hboot. Even if you get it back to lock, they know you did it.
[HTC EVO 3D] pehkblui:
Between 7th and 8th, do a fastboot back to bootloader. Then getvar again. It has happened to me a few times that I would need to do the fastboot for the change to show.
[HTC EVO 3D] natacha007:
thank you

thank you !!!!! Metronom76

it work on first post.
[HTC EVO 3D] derek22:
i wonder if this method will work on america (sprint) htc evo 3d?
[HTC EVO 3D] _Intel_:
is there any xvi32 for linux? it seems that's the only thing i need
[HTC EVO 3D] _Intel_:
confirmed working. from 0011 to 007
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Did it about 10 times still wont change CID thanks anyway. Here is my mmcblk0p31.img is there anything wrong there. If so please let me know
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
same problem , can anyone help us ?? , my mmcblk0p31 file same that

my hboot 0011 , ASIA version
[HTC EVO 3D] wbreslin951:
is this method effective with hboot 1.5?
[HTC EVO 3D] phonghoangka:
i find the problem a do complete to step 7 , but my phone still is UNLOCKED , S-ON with hboot 0011 , i has do exactly step by step , something wrong with step 7 , my phone check PG681IMG.zip , but it don't update , i can't see "vol up for update" anywhere !

my phone is now working with MikROM Sense 3.5

finally i complete downgrade from hboot 0011 to 0007 , thanks full :)
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
My hboot is 0012. Telstra Australia
[HTC EVO 3D] pehkblui:
I am not sure what was wrong but I saw that your build number was *.*.8xx.*.

Mine was an asia version but prior to coming to this, I had already succesfully done a full root (but still S-ON). I had a hard time getting the full root until I used "flash image gui" to force a full root. If I remember corectly, I used an european based build to do that. Hence when I came to this step, mine was already 1.22.40X.*.

Perhaps look for a european based to fully root the phone first? (Just a suggestion but the usual disclaimers apply. ;P ).
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Does European ruu contain the same region as mine
[HTC EVO 3D] steveathome:
I have been following your progress. Got to hand it to you for perseverance. Occasionally I will have a try doing stuff from this thread. But no luck. Don't think it will work on carrier branded. I sold my original Evo3d 0013 hboot. Voda AU. Using a friends Evo 0013 hboot. S-off would be great on all Evo 3d hboots. We should be so lucky. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Yeah thanks mate trying hard to get it to happen. Might just have to give it time or sell it.See what happens?
[HTC EVO 3D] steveathome:
I'm going to wait for Htc to bring out ICS with Sense then check forum to see which one the Devs are into. Then make sure I have right Hboot before I buy. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] jensemann1974:
....dont work with my phone ! HBoot .....18

when i want to change the HTC__001, always comes:

C:\adb>fastboot oem writecid HTC__001

...

(bootloader) vreg_set: request is duplicated id 14

(bootloader) shooter_u_init_sd, SD card power on ok

(bootloader) sdcc_init_memory_device done

(bootloader) [FAT_ERROR] fat_open_file: can not find SMART_IO.CRD

(bootloader) [JAVACARD_ERR] SMART_IO.CRD cann't find

(bootloader) Start Verify: 3

(bootloader) Start Verify: 3

(bootloader) erase sector 130560 ~ 131071 (512)

(bootloader) TZ_HTC_SVC_DISABLE ret = 66977136 (0x3FDFD70)

FAILED (status read failed (Too many links))

finished. total time: 2.746s

...then i try it a secound time....then comes:

C:\adb>fastboot oem writecid HTC__001

...

(bootloader) shooter_u_init_sd, SD card power on ok

(bootloader) sdcc_init_memory_device done

(bootloader) [FAT_ERROR] fat_open_file: can not find SMART_IO.CRD

(bootloader) [JAVACARD_ERR] SMART_IO.CRD cann't find

(bootloader) Start Verify: 3

(bootloader) erase sector 65504 ~ 65535 (32)

OKAY [ 1.591s]

finished. total time: 1.591s

C:\adb>fastboot oem lock

...

(bootloader) Lock successfully...

OKAY [ 0.031s]

finished. total time: 0.031s

C:\adb>

......the ....7 HBOOT dont be flashed, when i reboot !!!

the phone find the PG86IMG.zip and dont flash it !!!

please help !
[HTC EVO 3D] blakklanta:
What's wrong with using htcdev to unlock? That's what I used for both of my 3d's.
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Yeah can't wait for the ICS update this year. Still I hope we can get s-off when that comes out.
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
You don't have full root still, only unlocked bootloader. You need to flash kernel thru Flash Image GUI app to get full root and all features of custom ROM eg Overclock etc will be applied.
[HTC EVO 3D] blakklanta:
I was speaking in regards to unlocking hboots. I have been flashing roms since the HTC vogue. Rooting is ez after the security unlock.
[HTC EVO 3D] glennd:
Can't get s-off with Branded GSM H-Boots. So no unlocking h-boot yet as far as I can find?
[HTC EVO 3D] esmail69:
error for me:

my device unloack and root

plz help
[HTC EVO 3D] esmail69:
C:\adb>adb shell dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p31 of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk031.img

/dev/block/mmcblk0p31: cannot open for read: Permission denied
[HTC EVO 3D] DePuTy11:
c:\adb>adb shell dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p31 of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk0p31.img

error device not found

help?? so confused and frustrated!
[HTC EVO 3D] DePuTy11:
im a noob with this, im having the same issue you did but when you say you installed rev cwm and su from zip, i have no clue how to do it. Please explain!
[HTC EVO 3D] xicebreaker:
hi! im stock at the beginning, 2nd command line @ step 4.

I have hboot 1.49.0012 Unlocked using HTCDev, but still im getting this error message.

C:\>cd adb

C:\adb>adb shell dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p31 of=/mnt/sdcard/mmcblk0p31.img

/dev/block/mmcblk0p31: cannot open for read: Permission denied

C:\adb>

Im very xcited to root my phone. Your help will be much appreciated! thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] m0fizor:
Delete this.
[HTC EVO 3D] esmail69:
I think our phone is not the root (Rom)

You need to flash a rom has root with EU data base
[HTC EVO 3D] esmail69:
Ho0o0o0o0o0

Downgraded from 1.49.0012 to 1.49.0007 :D

S-OFF using Revolutionary :D

Thanks Metronom76
[HTC EVO 3D] smokeyza:
thanks for the forum bro
[HTC EVO 3D] m0fizor:
Why did the author delete the first post? o.O
[HTC EVO 3D] gav83collins:
Not that it helps me I'm s-off, thanks revolutionary but

Metronom76

You are a legend
[HTC EVO 3D] jcsy:
erm completely removed? =.= ?
[HTC EVO 3D] iconias:
Because he doesnt have a safe room for when the FBI come barging in...:confused:
[HTC EVO 3D] lilvfr400boy:
Eh? What's the deal with this? Why has this been taken down? Was there something illegal with it?
[HTC EVO 3D] iconias:
Ever since the us sopa/fbi octypus has been spreading its tenticles around the globe many websites in fear of persecution have closed down and likewise many threads in different forums have closed....