yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] malickie:
Let's hope the Third Parties are Not getting Paid off, considering that is usually what happens when some place like this says we will get third parties to prove we are not doing what you all say we are.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dirt_squirrel:
for any Canadian users out here, there IS a light at the end of the tunnel.

i did a quick search today and found this:

http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/12/01/r...t-carrier-iq-is-not-present-on-their-devices/

regardless of the country of origin, this may be one of the first MAJOR steps toward an Orwellian future and should be treated as such. could you imagine if a government body got a hold of this and used it for their own nefarious purposes?

Not a pleasant thought at all...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] arunp44:
Anyone notice that if you try to freeze IQRD, it freezes your phone as well...meaning cant make any calls... The phone app comes up, but cant dial any numbers
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Veri...-software-is-not-on-any-of-its-phones_id24268

Hopefully this publicity will cause AT&T to discontinue its use.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
Updated news:

CIQ Responds in press release/Has security research vouch for them?

Also, Senator Al Franken has withdrawn his questions to CarrierIQ and has instead sent the same letter to carriers and OEM's:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/1/2604242/carrier-iq-senator-franken-sprint-att

---------- Post added at 01:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:31 AM ----------

I question Rebecca Bace’s opinion in the matter and don't believe she is qualified for this.

I think it would be better for XDA to have an open forum where we select 2-3 developers, with Carrier IQ’s permission – who will go through front and back ends of their system - not only to see default logging/profile - but also to see what can be modified later on. People will android development knowledge would be better suited for this task.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
Excellent idea.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
Carrier IQ talks! this is a good read. i bolded the stuff i thought was good..

article from http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Apatche69:
Great news guys. We've reached the local news stations and NBC just announced it on television.

Edit: This is for the north bay area.

Sent from my HTC Vivid
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Awesome news indeed!

Sounds like there's a lot of garbage and lies coming from Carrier IQ right now. We can't let them throw us off.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Thanks to radi0chick for sending me this: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/12/carrier-iq-privacy.html
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5864488/carrier-iq-htc--and-samsung-sued-for-millions-over-tracking

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-...y-wiretapping-lawsuit-over-tracking-software/
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
it's on cnn.com: http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/01/technology/carrier_iq/index.htm?hpt=hp_c3

It reads
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] akcooper9:
Looks like Carrier IQ website is back. I pulled this from it. Man this is scary stuff...might as well be big brother

http://www.carrieriq.com/powers_movie.swf
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Apatche69:
Lol. This video sure won't help their defense any.

Sent from my HTC Vivid
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
just sick.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
CIQ

I've been trying to do my part, contacting both HTC and ATT insisting on the ability to remove this sw.

Not being an Android wiz I'd like to be certain a specific concern I have is valid.

As I understand the videos, CIQ is shown registering every keystroke into system log files. Am I correct in assuming sensitive data like account numbers and passwords entered into secure sites are resident on my device in unencrypted format?

How tough is it for a hacker to get to those log files?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ClippinWings:
The answer appears to be yes.

Unfortunately, not tough at all.

It would take a malicious piece of software installed on your phone to skim your log files and send them to the hacker... but considering Android Markets lax review process, that's not inconceivable...

There may be other ways to access the data, but that's a topic that's 'above my pay grade'
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
That's a good question, but I can't imagine that once someone finds an exploit that they wouldn't have a hard time gathering information. Especially since it's in plain text.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED AGAINST SAMSUNG AND HTC!

source: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...nd-carrier-iq-face-suit-over-logging-software

from the press release:
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] madelman99:
Voodoo Carrier IQ detector

Have anyone tried this yet: Voodoo Carrier IQ detector. it is available on android market?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
i dont think they actually detect it, they look at your log cat to see if they have "iqd" "carrier iq" etc etc in it. to my understanding, they will see if logging for CIQ is enabled and nothing else

however, as you already know a program can run in the background regardless of it it logs - as logging can be turned on and off for troubleshoting reasons and isn't needed to run 24/7

on my skyrocket i can disable or enable logging for the IQD agent
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
I was just banned from posting on the AT&T Community Support Forums after posting about the Class Actions against CarrierIQ, HTC and Samsung. I think the main reason for the ban was that I mentioned that ATT cannot be sued because of the recent Supreme Court ruling which supported the no sue mandatory arbitration clause in the ATT wireless phone contract signed by all of us using their service.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
I say we storm AT&T's forums about all the issues we're having. Especially Carrier IQ. If we all do it at the same time, they will get super pissed. Let's make a list of ALL the pressing issues and write one big unified complaint complete with links to this forum where we are manning our positions, where they can see it and they can't do anything about it. They will have a hard time banning all of us. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND WE WILL BE HEARD!

Is that too over the top? :)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
Their Terms of Use will get you banned. It did me. They do not want to hear about petitions or lawsuits. My Vivid goes back tomorrow and my 21 yr history as a customer of Bellsouth Mobility/Cingular/ATT will come to an end.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Then we can keep the petition and lawsuits on the hush. We will make it a very long formal complaint. It will be a group effort. If all if us post it at the same time they will lose control
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
Here is the thread in question. They deleted my message at the same time they banned me from posting.

http://forums.att.com/t5/General-De...den-App-Installed-On-Smartphones/td-p/2981215
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
I've got a plan. don't return your phone quite yet. How many days do you have left? I have 5. I'll start a new thread shortly.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
I have until the 12th to stay within the 30 days.

I've just been informed of another reason to not return it. I am one of the Plaintiffs in one of the Class Action Lawsuits; and the attorney told me that, if I am to remain as one of the plaintiffs, I cannot get rid of my phone. The defense (CarrierIQ, HTC, Samsung) would consider it to be destroying evidence in the case; and I would no longer be able to substantiate my complaint.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
HTC and ATT confirm a SW patch will be available

In the thread did anyone else notice the post about HTC and ATT announcing on a conference call a patch will be forthcoming for the Vivid? I have been following all this pretty closely - That's the first I have seen of that announcement.

Confirmation anyone? I'm going to go scour the net now.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
How can we get involved?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
I've yet see an announcement. Fingers crossed.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
Patch to remove CIQ

The person who originally posted that tidbit responded to my request for more detail. It was a personal conference call between him and tech reps for HTC and ATT.

I have no reason to doubt his statement. Just disappointed it was not something official from HTC.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
Found three articles on Carrier IQ subject at computerworld.com:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222371/Inside_Carrier_IQ_gate

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222388/Lawmaker_asks_FTC_to_investigate_Carrier_IQ

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9222378/Carrier_IQ_HTC_Samsung_hit_with_class_action_lawsuits
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
HTC's Fingerpointing Response

Here is HTC's response to my complaint about the CarrierIQ Spyware and the locked Bootlader.

In other words, it's all AT&T's fault.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
Do you think Carrier IQ would survive this avalanche of attacks by US Senate and Congress reps, class-action lawsuits, media, etc? RIM, Verizon and Apple are trying to distance themselves from this "en-genius" piece of software engineered spyware.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
Pass the rape kit, please

Of course they don't share any data with third parties.

http://www.mdv.com/press-room/press...lobal-alliance-measure-mobile-service-quality
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] penguinfishies:
I second this. Went through all 150 odd posts in the htc fb thread + listened to that voicemail, etc. The guys over at htc seem like they genuinely had nothing to do with this :(
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Maybe not 100%, but like it or not, they are somewhat responsible. It's on their product and they have a say what goes on there. In the Vivid it's listed as HTC IQAGENT. So their name is on it. So yes, they have a degree of responsibility there.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
And HTC is trying to do so by pointing fingers at AT&T.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19946984&postcount=173
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
CarrierIQ/HTC Class Action Lawsuit

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post an email address here; but if you'd like to be part of the Class Action Lawsuit, drop me a PM for the email address of the lead attorney. He is still actively looking for plaintiffs and there is no cost involved. All fees are on a contingency basis.

Mods - If posting an email is OK within the Terms of Use, please let me know.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Please do not start another thread. You already have enough stating essentially the same thing.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dashingdon:
AT&T, Sprint Sued by Customers Over Tracking

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...rs-sue-over-carrier-iq-tracking-software.html
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Did ya'll see the Lookout security app to detect CIQ?

Check the Marketplace.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
Don't need it. The IQ app is easy to see on the Vivid without any special apps to find it.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Great find! But I ran it on the vivid to test it. Obviously I have Carrier IQ on mine and it says I'm clean.... Anyone with another phone want to test?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
True Dutch, but the Lookout CIQ has a feedback function.

What a great way to create a central repository of CIQ stats.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Ideally, but doesn't seem to work...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Ideally, but it doesn't seem to work...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Has anyone actually read what CIQ does? It has been fairly well reverse engineered. See here:

http://pulse.me/s/3H5CP

Seems fairly innocuous to me. It's mainly an app to detect dead cell areas. Cellular providers have used this for years on cell tech employee's phones. My bud showed me how it was done.

According to the guy that reverse engineered CIQ, it only catches key strokes to trigger is an SMS was sent or call made. It then monitors whether it was successful or not.

The whole CIQ story hasn't played out yet, but let's keep informed.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
Carrier iq told wired magazine they can in fact look at text messages
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Waiters, please send that link.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...acy-bac/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
Sorry I misspoke :

Carrier IQ has more or less admitted that the company could read the text messages of anyone using a phone that's running the software and read other data. But they claim the ability is largely theoretical.

Later it says...

Carrier IQ says they can read your personal text messages, but it's OK because they don't. Imagine the U.S. Postal Service making copies of your personal letters, then telling you it's OK because they usually choose not to read them.

When I try to post the url its like 10 lines long, but google "inside carrier iq gate" - computer world not wired (though I could have sworn I read it on wired and it actually named the person that works for the company that said they can read txy messages)

When I find that article in post
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] blopez24:
I called att regarding carrier iq the rep knew nothing about it. Told me to hold. I was on hold for like ten minutes. They transfered me to HTC support the rep there told me HTC requires this software on its phone from now on. Wtf is really going on I'm really considering taking this phone back.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] DUTCH Van Atlanta:
HTC and ATT are pointing fingers at each other in this matter. I have emails from HTC support telling me to contact ATT support about my concerns, as it was ATT that mandated the CarrierIQ Spyware be installed on the device.

Hopefully, some of the Class Action Lawsuits will get this whole cesspool cleaned out.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
The post office can read your mail too. If the mail is deemed a threat, it can be detained.

From reading the article Reclaim posted, it didn't appear they were making copies of SMS, the article stated a service tech may ask a user to enter special codes to that allows uploading of data previously earmarked.

If it is true that this uploading of data requires end user intervention, that is your approval.

The same holds true in medical HIPAA compliance.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rquinn19:
You sound so nonchalant about this, but nowadays peoples smartphones are essentially one of their computers as well. I guess you'd be fine with your Dell or HP having software on it that couldn't be removed which was able to monitor everything you viewed, typed, installed, opened, etc... Your showing a lot of faith in people being honest and trustworthy.

Here's an example of why I find a problem with this being on my phone at all.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
Willgill, it's not the advertised intended purpose nor the functional practices at ATT that concern me. It is the exposure this app leaves for hacking - especially since it can't be turned off.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] samsat:
Very interesting article on CNN regarding CIQ.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Good God. I agree with you. It's mostly the very real possibility if what could happen.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] waiters:
Carrier IQ patent outlines keylogging and....

Carrier IQ patent outlines keylogging and ability to target individual devices
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
They finally admit TrevE is correct, sort of

Carrier IQ says, essentially, the big mistake here was our stuff wasn't buried deep enough by HTC or ATT.

No-one was supposed to see it.

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/3/2...blity-insecure-log-files-blames-manufacturers

Just unbelievable.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Actually that report says CIQ's temp file is "only accessible using their tools". The problem is the manufacturer. HTC melds CIQ's information with general logs like those uses in crash reports.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rquinn19:
I dont want anyone from CarrierIQ having a bad day to decide to look and see what mms i have received or sent. Bottom line I want to know what ability they do have. Not what they do and don't do, but what kind of access to our personal stuff do they have if they want it?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
My point exactly. Carrier IQ and others have stated that it only does X, filtering out Y and Z. My concern lies with what it is capable of. I don't care what its intended use is; I care about what it can do. Intention is not always indicative of the end result or consequence.

Sent from my Galaxy SII
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] randrewm97:
i just switched to the gs2, and its on it too. ive rooted the phone but i cant delete ciq. someone said on here that its coding is written into the os... so my question is, do we just freeze its processes? i think i did that on my vivid before i returned it, but it only worked until i rebooted... which is prolly cause it wasnt an untethered root
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
Pretty sure you're referring to the Skyrocket, because the original GSII doesn't have it. Check out this thread.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ToyGUN:
I'm curious now... Maybe we could use reporting function to access unlimited roaming data. That would be funny and may cause them to end this... I have no real idea about it tbh
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
Apple, Samsung and six more companies sued over Carrier IQ scandal

Apple, HTC, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Carrier IQ Sued in Delaware Federal Court in Cell Phone Tracking Software Scandal.

See article on BGR: http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/05/apple-samsung-and-six-more-companies-sued-over-carrier-iq-scandal/
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rquinn19:
Install a rom that doesnt have it
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
You guys realize your carrier already archives your sms and could track you of they wish. The only difference now performance info is logged locally and HTC didn't lock this info down very well. CIQ has their temp logs encrypted.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
Seriously willgill, if your company supplied Vivid is used for anything more mission critical than ordering pizza for Friday lunch, you might consider letting your company IT or operating officials read these two in the order listed.

http://www.mdv.com/press-room/press...obile-intelligence-revolutionize-customer-exp

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...-probing-chinese-phone-companies-in-u-s-.html
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
I read them both. The first has no new information other than Huawei's CIQ is an opt-in service. The rest is a rehash of how CIQ's purpose is to study the health of the cellular infrastructure through dropped calls, unsent SMS etc.

The second article has nothing to do with CIQ. It's an article on general suspicions of foreign espionage.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] doggyollie:
I had IT at my company call about my Vivid as they have the account authority. I demanded that the software be removed. At&T's laughable response,

"I called AT&T and they said that Carrier IQ cannot be removed.

They also informed me that Carrier IQ is quite helpful since it improves the wireless network and service performance. It also complies with privacy policy so information

Cannot be transferred to third parties."

Any body see where this is covered in AT&T's privacy policy?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
You probably shouldn't ignore things you sign.

Neither AT&T's privacy policy nor CIQ has not been proven to break any law yet.

No, CIQ doesn't give me the warm fuzzies. I just don't want this forum drifting off the realm of reality like my grandmother's conspiracy theories.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] :
Did anyone catch the article where the FBI "admitted" to using the carrier IQ data?

http://gizmodo.com/5867427/the-fbi-is-using-carrier-iq-information
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
No where in that article did it say they are using CIQ data.

They just said they have a file on CIQ. They may be using CIQ or investigating CIQ or just generally documenting CIQ.

This is the wacky conspiracy talk I feared would happen. Please post news but leave out the black helicopter stuff.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
Just read it.... God. I think someone else said it great. This is far from a conspiracy theory...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Here is EVERYTHING the FBI said,

"The material you requested is located in an investigative file which is exempt from disclosure... "

The rest is Gizmodo speculation. I am an avid Giz reader and something I've learned is they are not very responsible in their reporting. They put a lot of conjecture into their "news" and drift far from their gizmo focus when they have a political beef.

Critical readers, I am sure, quickly identified that Gizmodo piece as an OpEd with little fact.

Again, I'd caution everyone to stick to facts.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] :
Azrienoch has an article on the portal today about FBI involvement with Carrier IQ....

Also...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
Thanks for the link esloan. At the end of the story it was interesting to read CIQ says they have never provided information to the FBI.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] :
I'm just posting info as I find it. I leave it to the reader to interpret the contents.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
I hope the FBI is smart enough to use it

A phone with ciq deployed is MUCH easier to track than using their current methods.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904194604576583112723197574.html

I sincerely hope they are trying to save money by using this built in tracker.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] kiddchris:
just a note, I don't think CarrierIQ is even installed at all on my Bell Canada htc raider, I could find no instance of it running in processes
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] willgill:
What makes you think its easier for the FBI to use CIQ than the "stingray" device in this article? CIQ has stated they don't give any information to the FBI.

It seems this stingray device acts as a micro celltower. Apparently stingray doesn't need any software installed in the phone.

In the article the feds tracked a broadband card which doesn't even run Android.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
Yes

I am saying it is easier to sit at a terminal at a central office and drill down to an individual phone (ciq's description) anywhere in the country than it is to HOPE to get close enough to that phone with a mobile cell tower spoofer to intercept and triangulate.

BTW, ciq does not need an operating system like Android. It can be built into a broadband card. (their press release)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
Now Carrier IQ admits that due to a software bug Carrier IQ may capture text of SMS messages:

http://m.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/carrier-iq-may-have-collected-text-messages/17122

This is an admitted bug.

How many other bugs and exploits does the spyware contain?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] brucegil:
Just read this. Definitely needs to be read and noted.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Reclaim:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...s-priva/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] brucegil:
FTC, FCC Looking at Carrier IQ

Here is another story on the subject.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-5...rier-iq/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] jherbold:
It's a brave new world

http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news...mer-gps-data-to-leos-over-8-million-times.ars