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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Kadin:
Got mine from mobiletechvideos.com for $8 and free shipping (US) but Amazon is a good alternative especially if you don't want to mess with PayPal.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AntwanL:
They had one that came to $6ish shipped but I was worried and figured I'd cough up the extra few dollars for peace of mind. This one had basically all 5 star reviews and Prime shipping. At the time the other one had no reviews.

There are options for getting this one cheaper on that listing, 1.50 ish + 5ish shipping, but the last this I want is to be cheap with something getting flashed to my device. Plus I know if I get screwed Amazon can't do anything about it.

Sent from my Samsung GT-I9100
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AntwanL:
I love my animation so i'm glad it didn't. It does make the original screen back to the Samsung Galaxy S2 with no GT-9100 but that goes goes into your chosen boot animation. And i'm sure if you want you can find and flash an AT&T one for a return or whatever.

Sent from my Samsung GT-I9100
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Guti1977:
No that's fine, I actually have the Galaxy Nexus boot animation and it rocks so I want to keep it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] smknutson:
Got one as well, took yellow triangle away. Works great.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] EVIIIL:
This is going to be my next purchase. The triangle is starting to annoy me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] 1337WRX:
The Jig only resets the splash screen. It shouldn't affect your boot animation. Which is perfect for most people, as the yellow triangle is unattractive but you still want to keep your boot animation.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
DarkICE-SKINS​

These are skins for the Market version of the ICE CREAM SANDWICH KEYBOARD by "johntanmi" or BetterKeyboard!!!!​

DARKICE​

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DARKICE LITE​

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DARKICE-ICS​

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DARKRedICE​

My site is back!

Download links on my site HERE

Last but not least....ENJOY!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Free Version

FREE FULL KEYBOARD​

I did not make this App I just themed the one I found on the market that was working the best. I will update it with the Dev updates every chance I get!

I'm not taking requests for this theme...It's the way I like it and if you don't, please just find another that suits you! Thank you!!!

Just download and install like any other app.

DarkICE LITE Keyboard
[Android Themes] buzzboy:
Great stuff, good to see your Dark projects are continuing. Love it. Cheers bud.

Regards
[Android Themes] MrChaosDesire:
Trying it out

Need mirror, can't download from phone even when set to Linux browser.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Hey buddy, yeah getting ready for CM9...lol

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Check your PM.

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[Android Themes] MrChaosDesire:
Thank you sir, the keyboard works very well and looks good, but you should add a highlight colour when typing because there is no highlight colour when selecting a button.

Some screenies too:
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thank you!

I actually did everything intentionally how I like it...see second paragraph in OP..I had it both ways and didn't like it. I'm just sharing my personal theme. Sorry.

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[Android Themes] MrChaosDesire:
Oh okay. At least its dark and I like dark.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Lol, you'll get used to it. Thanks man!

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[Android Themes] ijustzeke:
sweet! love it!

Thanks man!

*I wish you put a line in the space bar. so that it wont look like an empty space. xD just a thought.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks man, if I add anything to the spacebar the other action buttons will have it too. They all share the same image. That's one thing I did try to do. It looked terrible. Thanks.

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Looks Awesome keep up the good work! Really like it cause u left the top row numbers off of it sets it apart nice touch .

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks, I hate the top row, looks cleaner that way too.

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[Android Themes] redplate:
Can somebody tell me where i can find the original colored version? :)

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
It's in the market.

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[Android Themes] kijp15:
@djdarkknight96,

Can you post a mirror link? I can't seem to download it from your site. If not, its cool. Your keyboard looks really good btw.

Thanks!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
You have a pm...;-)

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[Android Themes] kijp15:
Thank you! :D
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Your welcome! :-)

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Attention

DarkIce Lite keyboard "by popular Demand" coming soon!!!

I never said I wouldn't make more....LOL Hope you all will like it!!!!
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Give it up!!! Can't wait ..thanks for your work!

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[Android Themes] billydroid:
Any one want to share a link. I'm on my phone and cannot download from the site.:(
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
New update and version posted

Dark updated and added new Lite version!!!!!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
You got PM!!!! ;)
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Looks great!!! Thanks for sharing ..

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Your welcome!

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[Android Themes] billydroid:
Thanks this completes my dark ics themed sgs2!!
[Android Themes] agentsandy007:
Offtopic

Hey DJDarKnight....

Luv ur work... Thank u very much....

Is it possible to remove seperators(lines between options in settings,etc..) in your awesome DarkGinger cm7 theme....

I've been willing to ask this since a long time ...

Thank u.....

Sorry to post it here....

Tried this keyboard on LDPI(X10MiniPro)....Didn't work....Looked not at all similar to yours...

Any suggestion to make it work on LDPI.....
[Android Themes] dimasp6:
Can't seem to get the lite version on my phone browser.
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Thanks for the update on dark and lite is lookin real clean .

sent from my juiced up Atrix
[Android Themes] MrChaosDesire:
I really like the Lite version of the keyboard! But I need another mirror :P

Sent from my ICS Extreme by Jusada based on CM 7.2
[Android Themes] DaXmax:
Can u themed for the original LatinIME.apk ICS one?
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks man, not willing to change DarkGinger, it's exactly how I want it and has taken a very long time getting it the way it is.

The ICS keyboard doesn't have the images or support for LDPI..I just themed it..didn't make it..sorry!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
You got pm!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I don't have it to theme it..sorry!

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[Android Themes] MrChaosDesire:
Yeah! I got PM! Thanks a bunch!

Sent from my ICS Extreme by Jusada based on CM 7.2
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
:-)

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[Android Themes] rezaluchu:
Memory Usage

I like the keyboard, it is beautiful.

However it consume 32 MB of my LG O2X RAM.

Is it just in my phone?
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I'm only using 9.58 mb on my G2x.

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[Android Themes] billydroid:
Hey darkknight, have you ever made any beautiful Widgets skins?
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
No I haven't. I have always found some that I like so never needed to make them myself.

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[Android Themes] billydroid:
I see.

I was trying to find one with just black simple text. But I just discovered there are options to hide backgrounds. So that worked out.
[Android Themes] DaXmax:
I give you the extracted apk from sources, can u do it? I will test it for u...
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Heck yeah, pm me the link and I'll make a flashable zip! Thanks.

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[Android Themes] DaXmax:
Ok, i just sent the apk here... Easy... :)
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks! I hit the button too! ;-)
[Android Themes] DaXmax:
Haha!
[Android Themes] schukje:
I like your ics keyboard but it is impossible for me to download. Do you have a link for me?
[Android Themes] soub31:
can't download from any of my three browsers on my phone: (
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Ok people having issues downloading, try the downloading tips first. The links are fine. Try using a computer too. If that doesn't work I'll upload a mirror. I'm super busy today! Thank you!

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[Android Themes] Vicious Von:
If I purchased the donate version will I be able to use the new options with this themed version

running CM7 thirty for ICS so I got the bootleg
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
No, I did not make this app..as stated in the OP..this is just a themed version I made to share. If you buy the donate version you can do whatever but this theme will not work.

Edit: I did just ask the dev to give me a template to make themes for the paid version though. Hope he replies.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Skins a commin!!!!

I just finished making skins for the donate version...you get free copies since it was you that pointed it out to me..pm me and I'll send you the skins...they will be $.99 for others to use with the paid version!!! Thanks for pointing that out!!!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Oh look at this!!!!!!

The donate version with my new Skins are a WIN!!!!!

You can change the background to a wallpaper and make the keys bigger!!!!... Examples:

I will link the market links on the op to the donate version and the skins so you can do the same!!! I'm just waiting them to show in the market!!!!
[Android Themes] Vicious Von:
Um on it asap!!!

running CM7 thirty for ICS so I got the bootleg
[Android Themes] romerovallin:
Hey Dj, is there a way we can hide the skin icon in the app drawer, if not do you mind adding that please? Thanks. The skins look awesome.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I'll take a look but I don't think so. I use adw ex and just filter the odd icons out. If I figure it out I will have it removed. Thanks!

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[Android Themes] romerovallin:
Thank you. I know the people that created better keyboard finally started doing it with their skins since I asked them. Not sure how they do it but you might be able to contact that developer through the market maybe. Just a thought. I use HTC Sense 3.5 so everything shows in my app drawer.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Oh sweet, I'll look at it tomorrow and update it once I find out how. Thanks for the info!

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[Android Themes] romerovallin:
Not a problem. Anything to help. @(^_^)@

PS: I think the Lite version would look really nice as a theme on your ICS Stock Swype.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Skin links are now on my site!!!!!
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Went ahead and got the paid version.. love it so much keep up the dark themes there real clean

.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Saweet, I'm working with the app developer to make a full skin just like the free one I made. I will update what you have with the new one once we are done. Thanks!

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
One Question it put a dark ice keyboard icon in my app drawer and when I push it force close. just a heads up no big deal it still works flawless within the keyboard app .

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thank you!

I know about the FC, working on removing the icon. Just been busy.

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[Android Themes] bbsnick:
Looks very nice but there is No Greek language to select.

Should state what languages ​​are supported.

Once installed it immediately uninstalled.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Please read OP...I DID NOT MAKE THIS APP..I JUST THEMED IT! The full version is on the market with language support..email the developer if your language is not supported yet...kthxbye!

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[Android Themes] Vicious Von:
@djdarkknight96 what's the font you are using? Its slick.

running CM7 thirty for ICS so I got the bootleg
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks, there is a flashable zip on my site's download page almost at the bottom with the font. I mixed a few fonts to get it. :)

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Looking forward to the update..

thanks for all the work u put into these themes.

sent from my juiced up Atrix
[Android Themes] lilshortwun:
you should port this theme over to swype
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I'll trying, not getting it to work right yet. I asked a few other Themers to help and they haven't gotten back to me yet. I'll try again today.

Not as easy as it sounds, Swypes layout is totally different. But I'm gonna try once I get some other things done first! Someone has already requested that! ;-)

Thank you though!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Finally got the launcher icon removed.... also just gonna place these images right here:

Hehe :-)

Updates coming tomorrow!

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
very nice ....

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Looking forward to that update..

Thanks.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thanks!

About to upload the two DarkICE versions now.

Working on the red and a new DarkIcsICE color as well.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
DarkIce updates uploaded...preview of the new versions:

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[Android Themes] lilshortwun:
Thanks, looking forward to it. It's a great theme
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Updates and new skins

OK the updates and new skins are showing in the market...

Changed up the op with screens and stuff!!!!

Enjoy!!!
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Awesome job! Love it thank u for the update looks great .

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Awesome! Glad you like it!

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[Android Themes] crpercodani:
I tried with the browser in Linux mode and it just loads a blank page when trying to download the ICS blue theme. Looks really nice tho
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
The skins are just links to the market. Search DarkICE in the market and you'll find it that way.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Feedback Welcome!!!!

Thinking of doing Green and Purple skins next...any requests on colors?
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Orange maybe. Cayenne

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Ok, orange on the list!

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
Didn't see orange my bad ill will look again

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Lmfao, no I mean on the to do list...:-)

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[Android Themes] jlg19753:
I'm an idiot my bad .. thanks man these skins are lookin sick bro .

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[Android Themes] agentsandy007:
LDPI supported?????

If not plz Make it for LDPI....

I luv it....
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thank you but I only themed the app, I didn't make it. Go on the market thru the link on my site and request it.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I just uploaded Pink, Green and Orange skins to the market....already showing. Search djdarkknight to find them all!

Enjoy!

DJ

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
This link is down due to the massive hit to my site from a droid life article. Hopefully fixed sometime today! You can search the market for djdarkknight to locate the downloads. Thank you!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
My site is back!

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[Android Themes] Razer(x):
Added your keyboard to my theme! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1429170

Thank you for let me use it :)
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
No problem man, looks good with the theme.

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Updated to v3 and ICS support now available thru flashable zip for all ICS roms!!!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Bump Diggedy
[Android Themes] LegoLaSH:
good Work>^!!!!
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Thank you!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Bump time!

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[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Any Requests?
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
A blue one to match the phone Candy theme would be nice .

T989 Juggs5.0/phonecandy powered by faux.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
You'll have to link me to the theme so I can see it.

Sent from my DarkICE Skanky CM9 Gnex using the app!
[Android Themes] jlg19753:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1515495

T989 Juggs5.0/phonecandy powered by faux.
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
Not sure how I could make one to match his theme. Might want to ask him.

Sent from my DarkICE Skanky CM9 Gnex using the app!
[Android Themes] fangz3:
awesome

could u make a mtz for miui?It's a pity can not used on miui
[Android Themes] djdarkknight96:
I don't theme Miui..sorry!
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] leonleonleon:
Hello guys, i just took the xperia mini st15i and i saw that the screen lightning is trembling when i am writing a text most of times, but it does it at idle times too.

I did factory reset to the phone and it still does it. It stops doing it when i am covering the lightning sensor, i think that the problem is at auto screen brightness.

is there anything that i can do with that? or i must get it for RMA?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Cloudus91:
There is another topic that treat the argument.

The only way is to root your phone and Download the app "Disable Auto Brighteness" for Xperia Play(It's work for Xperia Mini).

Or you have to change something in the file system and disable auto-brightness.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] dumraden:
The reason that happens is because you cover the light sensor with your thumb sometimes when texting. Its not a device fault, its just how its meant to work.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] garychencool:
Yeah, I get that too on my Xperia Mini Pro, but it doesnt happen all the time, like sometimes indoors and out.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] leonleonleon:
ok ill check that, my question is if i want to put the cyanogen to the phone, firstly i have to unlock the bootloader to do it and that is avoiding the warranty, can i lock the bootloader after that again to get the warranty back?
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Cloudus91:
No.

It's happens only on Xperia Mini ST15.

Is a problem of the light sensor,badly calibrated.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] kiavik:
My Xperia Mini Pro does that too some times, going where there is more light make it stop.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] dumraden:
So does the Xperia active. Its just common sense. Less light into the ambient sensor = lower brightness.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] DrearierJester1:
There's an official fix for this issue as well as overheating and other issues with SE Mini, just go to the nearest SE Service Center and ask for the calibration fix for xperia mini.

There have been a lot of reported stories about these issues and was all resolved by the calibration fix.
[Sony Ericsson Xperia Mini, Mini Pro, Xperia Pro, A] Markus-SonyXperiaSupport:
Have a look at this thread where I posted an answer on this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19778308

I'll just paste it here as well for all to see.

I can confirm that this happens when the light sensor adjusts the screen brightness. If you go to Settings > Screen > Screen brightness, and here set it to max, you will disable the auto brightness feature and the flickering should stop. It will have negative effect on your battery performance though.

-Markus

Sony Ericsson Answers Team
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dmitrium:
Hello There,

I've been seeking a program that can run on the Windows Phone 7.5 for a while like "My Data Manager" as a well known app on the Android Platform. I'm afraid, there is none even close alternatives. I was wondering it is possible to develop this kind of a program for the Windows Phone platform.

I'm sure it will be perfect to control data usage, set alarms and get billing notifications, track historical data consumption, count sms and monitor talkind minutes for the users that have a limited data plan of their service provider as me. Just an idea... I was dealing with some simple e Visual Basic applications in the history but I don't understand complex programming logics nowadays, so may be it is impossible to get these kind of information from the Windows Phone...

Thanks for considering.

E.D.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dmitrium:
Any comments?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sensboston:
Because of WP7 public API limitations, regular developers can't create that kind of apps, only manufacturers and cell providers. AT&T has an ugly and slow app for this (but with very limited functionality). Probably other cell provs has similar apps, I don't know...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dmitrium:
As I guess... Thank you for your answer.
[Galaxy S II General] mmm286:
Hi

I've installed the miui rom that have his own radio. I would like that someone could attach me the radio apk of stock rom.

could you help me please?

many thanks and sorry for my english

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[Galaxy S II General] killall:
It will not work with MIUI so it is pointless uploading it. Sorry.
[Galaxy S II General] mmm286:
Thanx. I thought that could be works

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[Galaxy S II General] killall:
No, Sammy apps won't work without the Sammy framework.apk

MIUI is based on CM7
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
Simply the best commercial for a nexus I have had the pleasure of seeing. Nice job Google

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DAlO9Mt7-XA
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
LOL, nice :D

[YOUTUBE]DAlO9Mt7-XA[/YOUTUBE]

but it only shows the power of video conferencing, doesn't show the neat stuff the phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Z51:
now if only they'd release the damn phone lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mskip:
Lets face it people who have only heard about it for the first time from a tv commercial dont care about the neat stuff they just want to beat box with 8 of their mates :rolleyes:.

Mark.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
it's released... only at selected countries ATM ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
xda mc club anybody? scratches record
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cenwesi:
Rubbish commercial.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
Wow, I hope GNs hold they're own in a spit collector test. :)