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[HTC Rezound] Azeolus:
I've got to admit, the phone has some really nice features. If mine hadn't been buzzing like a rabid bumble bee I probably would have kept it. Yes it is a killer phone and being able to remove bloat is pretty much all you need to make it a perfectly excellent phone, but I think some of us (this is my opinion) want to know a phone can be unlocked because we know we'll have the phone for 2 years and that in a year or so we'll have some options if need be.

I do hope this phone gets some love, the lockdowns on it are ridiculous, no htcdev, no htcsense, come on Verizon. Seems like the wisest move for those of us who are looking for a phone is to wait a bit if you can and see what pans out. I hope the bootloader isn't encrypted and the devs find the right door. If I was useful for anything outside of web design I'd love to help.
[HTC Rezound] RED ZMAN:
idea here, but is something like a 2nd init available like we used on the droid x?

or is that a motorola only thing?
[HTC Rezound] Trophynuts:
lol couldn't agree more lol for goodness sakes i've seen more flippin stickers on Twitter in the last three days than i've seen people type the word Nexus.
[HTC Rezound] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
Motorola locks the bootloader, such that you can't replace the Kernel & bootimage. But once rooted, you can do anything else you like to the filesystem.

2nd Init takes advantage of that by wedging into the boot process early on, killing off the Motorola processes, and starting a fresh Init process. You are still locked to Motorola's Kernel, but you can do a bit more with it.

The Rezound does not yet have Perm Root, and it also has NAND protection. You can't permanently write to the system partitions. So you don't really have a way to wedge into the boot process. Anything you write to the system partitions gets erased at boot.
[HTC Rezound] mightybrick:
That's the point.
[HTC Rezound] hgoldner:
Don't know why, perhaps because I like tilting at windmills, perhaps because I like the bully pulpit social media can provide, but I went on htcusa's wall and protested the locked-down Rezound. Scolded them for poor last quarter figures (like they really care what some flashaholic east coast lawyer has to say) and told them they had an opportunity with the issues with the other phones (Razr and its SIM card; Nexus and its lack of Google wallet).

I also mentioned that I could understand if they were waiting for ICS to unlock the bootloader, but at the very least they could TELL US what they're doing.

Yeah, glad I got that off my chest. Got a response akin to "thank you for sharing."
[HTC Rezound] rfarrah:
Glad you did it anyway. :cool:
[HTC Rezound] acroanidd:
For what it is worth if there are some things that you would like to try out on a Rezound that is unlikely to completely brick a phone I will try and help.

I got the okay from a verizon manager to exchange this thing for a new phone sans restocking fee when the nexus comes out assuming it is before the 15th of January.

(the tip for those looking to swap is just mention that you have intermittent headphone jack problems, it is a known issue in there system and they are likely to swap it for another rezound, or different phone all together)
[HTC Rezound] janderson2k:
This is deffffff true. This is how I went from a tBolt to my Rezound for free.
[HTC Rezound] Superguy:
I also complained on their FB page. They at least acknowledged and apologized for the frustration. Pretty much blamed it on the carrier and said they're working with them to let them unlock it.

I expected as much. At least they responded, unlike Moto. It'd be nice if they could at least "leak" something to throw us a bone. Leave an exploit on a honey pot or something. :D
[HTC Rezound] jdmba:
unrEVOked?

Are there any members of unrEVOked here? They seemed to make magic on the Incredible. Would love to know if they are working on the Rezound.
[HTC Rezound] hoovnick:
http://cidalan.blogspot.com/2011/11/recovery-image-for-htc-rezound-amonra.html

Haven't seen this posted or talked about. Figured you guys might wanna take a look.
[HTC Rezound] marclile:
yeah, he posted it here actually:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1339679
[HTC Rezound] hoovnick:
Haha yeah, saw that after I posted the link and I'm like, how'd I miss this?
[HTC Rezound] voxigenboy:
this S-ON fiasco is becoming the "Incredible 2: Electic Bugaloo - Part 2"...
[HTC Rezound] rfarrah:
I wouldn't call it a fiasco, so much as a Process. But yeah, a lot like the DI2. :cool:
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Updated OP with HBOOT flashables, new temp roots.
[HTC Rezound] ccrazythunder:
Can you just drop the flashable RUU onto the SD card boot into bootloader and flash from HBOOT even if it is S-OFF?
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
Yes
[HTC Rezound] jasek78:
i know there has to be a way to perm root this thing because it was on the htc dev site to unlock it, they removed it but i bet they didn't change anything with the phone so we just have to figure it out
[HTC Rezound] con247:
It is being worked on.
[HTC Rezound] FcoT:
finally?

http://twitter.com/#!/Evil_DevNull/status/146172994509750272/photo/1

http://twitter.com/#!/Evil_DevNull

how was it done? S still shows on, he says its unlocked, what gives?

ed: I guess that he was able to bypass the signature check as a RU-update. I think someone just mentioned that here a couple days ago. Awesome work>
[HTC Rezound] jbh00jh:
I need to see it say : s-off , unlocked , and clockwork recovery mod to get excited.
[HTC Rezound] clos101:
+1

Soon enough! But not soon enough! My rezound is running great. Can't wait until we get to really play with it.
[HTC Rezound] nrfitchett4:
pretty sure he doesn't want his status updates posted on a forum he is blocked from.

Looks like we are getting closer, but I'm happy with it as is. I'm guessing the first exploits will require a reset like on the thunderbolt, which will suck...
[HTC Rezound] punman:
Anyone working on a hardware S-Off? Short the pin hot that signals a correctly signed image? :D

Disclaimer: I fully intend to laugh at anyone who tries this without fully knowing and understand what they are doing and bricks/fries/explodes/melts their phone (or their friend's phone.)
[HTC Rezound] triton302:
By posting his info here, you are asking for trouble. I'd remove it ASAP.
[HTC Rezound] xRogerxC:
No need to worry, the devil protected his tweets, so those links are useless. I honestly don't believe a thing he says, as he is much more interested in promoting his image than he is in helping the community!
[HTC Rezound] jasonpantuliano:
anybody try the perm root jcase posted on twitter. He says it dangerous without s off but it sticks with a reboot
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I wouldn't if it is dangerous lol

it seems to be shell root only
[HTC Rezound] jasonpantuliano:
I'm pretty sure its only dangerous if you start deleting files. Read his posts he said just makes your phone think your running an emulator. Here it is. THIS IS JCASES INFO NOT MINE

"Quasi-Permament root on the HTC Rezound

Steps

1) use zergrugh for temp root

2) adb shell

3) echo 'ro.kernel.qemu=1' > /data/local.prop

4) realize while "adb root" now stays after reboot, your phone is unstable as hell

5) decide to remove it

6) adb shell

7) rm /data/local.prop

More or less makes adb think you are running an emulator. This isn't ment as a real solution, more of a laugh for a minute, but yeah it works."
[HTC Rezound] pwned3:
Does anyone know if anyone else is working on S-off on this bad boy besides evil? I really want to keep this phone but coming from a really customized incredible I am really having a hard time with no real root

sent from my new Rezound
[HTC Rezound] bobcat331:
Yeah me too. If it don't get s-off soon I'm probably going to turn it back in and get the nexus. I've always been an htc fan but..........
[HTC Rezound] triton302:
Patience is just not a virtue for some people...
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
But what??? And this is not an attack at all...What can't you do other than load a custom ROM that doesn't exist yet? Temp root allows wifi tethering, freezing bloat, and Titanium backup/restore. S-Off is only going to take us to the next level, it's not a death sentence on the phone to not have it either(IMHO). So unless I missed something, why is there so much talk about jumping ship when the Rezound is almost as open as it can be?
[HTC Rezound] Conduitz:
to me, and as well this is not an attack, rather stating my opinion, its that the longer S-On persists with no S-off in sight, it feels like I paid to be restricted, when I could be paying to be 100% free elsewhere on the same network. Yes I can wifi tether, and sure I can freeze my bloat but its the principle to me. Do I want to change my boot ani and splash? The answer is irrelevant, because I cant, and that slightly irks me.

That being said, HTC's device quality surpasses samsungs every time. I'm 80% sure or better that I'll be sticking it out. The 20% is the stubborn german in me that says "fck restriction."
[HTC Rezound] bobcat331:
Don't get me wrong I love it. I've just been reading here and there of dev's going to the nexus. I may do the temp root so I can use wifi tethering plus I have a bunch of root only apps on my Inc. I see the nexus has face unlock. Is that a nexus thing or ICS.
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
I completely understand what you're saying. And honestly it usually would irk me but I think everyone else's ire is actually killing mine.

I believe face unlock is an ICS feature. I don't think anything on the Nexus won't be on the Rezound or Razr other than NFC and Google Wallet.
[HTC Rezound] hgoldner:
I know I should be patient (the temptation to behave like a child is too great), but I once again hit the HTCUSA Facebook wall with the following, and their response is below.

The Galaxy Nexus came out today, and nearly simultaneously, the entire root, recovery and bootloader were released. Meanwhile, we're sitting here with HTC Rezounds locked down tight. I really don't want to see or hear considered "we understand your frustration" posts or emails or tweets. If you want to be a player in the Android world, unlock the bootloader and let us obtain S-OFF already. The phone's been out a month, and you think your sales will hold if you keep your precious Rezound locked up tight? I don't think so. You want to put locked up phones out there? Stick to Symbian and Windows. Otherwise, get with the program, guys.
​

HTC USA Harold - We know that many people want to have their bootloaders unlocked as soon as possible and we're still committed on fulfilling our promise. We know that "we don't have any information" isn't something that you want to hear but that's all we have right now. We're communicating with the carriers and we'll have it ready as soon as possible. Also, the security is left on to protect things like the radio, and SIM lock. Thanks for sounding off and I hope that helps.​

I just went off when I saw that the Nexus images, bootloader and recovery were posted within a few hours of the phone's release. Can I get a primal scream, brothers?
[HTC Rezound] dustintheweb:
To those complaining about S-OFF.

Your decision to buy this phone does not fall on the backs of the devs who are working on rooting it. You are actually only annoying them and making their hobby less enjoyable. This isn't a car ride to the grand canyon and noone wants to hear you ask "are we there yet" a thousand times.

Sure we all want what you're asking, and we even want you to participate in this forum, but please remember that developers are human beings contributing their own free time and owe you absolutely nothing.

Impatient nervous whining will always drive away talented devs. Please show some respect and try not to let that happen here.
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
Well put brother.
[HTC Rezound] answerman:
+100. Though I haven't done much Android development, basically just a few things for my own use, I was quite active in the Windows Mobile development world back in the days of the PPC-6700 and PPC-6800/Mogul. I finally just got tired of people asking, not always nicely, when they would get updated/fixed versions of what I had cooked and modded... work that I had done as a hobby for my own use and thought would be nice to share. So, I just stopped sharing.

Basically, everyone here falls into one of two categories (or somewhat straddles the line): either (1) as a dev who creates wonderful magical things that they are thoughtful enough to share, or (2) the end users who benefit from the devs' time and work. At this point, I'm more of an end user than a developer. What you contribute as a user, whether it be useful feedback, suggestions, or donations, is appreciated by the devs, but it's appreciated much more if it's done politely.

It's been said thousands of times here, but I'll say it again. The devs are sharing their work out of the goodness of their hearts. They are not employees of HTC, or Verizon, or xda-developers for that matter. If you're a dev, my heartfelt thanks to everything you do.

Pease remember that you have two choices when it comes to improving your Android experience. One is a "right", and one is a privilege, and each have responsibilites.

You have the "right" to mod your phone as you see fit, which carries the responsibility of knowing what you are doing and learning what you need to to develop what you need. Yes, I'm talking about developers here, the ones who spent the time to learn what they needed to learn.

If you're an end user, you have no rights... only the privilege of benefitting from the devs' work. They do NOT have to share their work with you. Hence, your responsibility is to support the devs as you can, but demanding "when will we have S-off / ICS / whatever else" is not being supportive. If you're that impatient, learn what you need to to become a dev. Otherwise, you've got no right to complain.

Be nice, and nice things happen. Be impolite, and impolite things happen.
[HTC Rezound] hoovnick:
I remember back when I had an eris, the same frustration was going on, jcase can attest to that. I think that one thing that helped to ease the frustration was a running list of things that were tried and their outcome. Personally it helped me because I knew that A: it was being worked on, and B: when it came to me trying to help as far as research and testing (because I have no development knowledge) I knew what not to waste my time on. And trust me, I spent a ton of time trying things and resetting my phone to the point that I could have it completely back where I wanted it after a failed attempt within minutes. Anyone else think this might help?
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
I've also been flipping out on HTC USA's Facebook page.....I'm very patient with the Devs, but I have far less tolerance for a company that said future bootloaders would be unlocked, then locks up the best phone they've ever released. I'm not really sold on the whole it was Verizon's idea thing either, because the GNEx came straight out unlocked.
[HTC Rezound] nujackk:
I was just reading a q&a about the Galaxy Nexus not supporting UMS and realized from his answer that htc has done pretty much the same thing But used to lock the boot loader as well. Which explains why the internal storage is mounted as sdcard.

And why any attempts to modify emmc data doesn't work. ( it's locked by permission enforcement to read only and likely using a fake proxy) Which brought me to the next thought, that in order to do in OTA they have to have some way of allowing the modifications.

So i'm thinking that someone should look at trying to achieve s-off via OTA . Thinking would only need to get pass the initial check that it was a OTA from HTC/Verizon and could gain enough access to modify the files needed

Just a thought as I am no where near technically literate enough to know for sure if this is a legit way to get s-off, But do know enough to know that what was mentioned in his response is likely being used in some way on the rezound with emmc and sdcard

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...behind-galaxy-nexus-lack-of-usb-mass-storage/
[HTC Rezound] theGross1:
A lot of previous eris users on here (myself included). That phone was called unrootable and then just like that it was rooted.

XDA app on my rezound
[HTC Rezound] hoovnick:
Yep, I remember when that one click app came out, it was like SWEEEEEEET. Then s-off was simple to achieve. Took a month or so if I remember correctly. But on a good note, been seeing some tweets by jcase on a reliable perm root method he's been working on. Looks promising!
[HTC Rezound] bigdad1963:
it's great to come here and read this stuff. I've been ticked off all day with the nex getting rooted and well on its way to roms the first day. I'm trying really hard to be patient. If i can just get an lv or ulv kernel, a proper notification bar settings selector, and bloat eradication I'll be a very happy man.
[HTC Rezound] mrbigdrawsz:
"Are we there yet". ROFL!!!!! CLASSIC!!!
[HTC Rezound] SquireSCA:
But if we can achieve temporary root, is it not possible to take whatever process does that, modify the system files so that it does that as part of the boot process?

I am not a programmer by any means, just curious... If there is a method to root, then you can modify system files, right? So if you do a temp root, and then modify the files needed to make it permanent seems logical to me, but I am sure that I am oversimplifying things...

I can't wait to see S-off on this device and then see CM9 or something ICS based on here.

CM7 kept me from using my DX for target practice. The sluggishness, the random reboots, etc... CM7 made the phone WAY faster, made it stable, made it reliable and an absolutely wonderful device.

I cannot wait to see what Cyanogen can do for a device like the Rezound. It is hard to be patient when you know what the future holds but can't quite get there. But we have to be patient, as the people that are going to deliver this to us are doing it for free. It is not like they are an employee that you can go ***** at for missing a deadline. haha
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
This is where it all falls down. What needs to be modified doesn't exist on the filesystem. If you check your mount points you'll see a series of mmcblk0pxx. These as far as I know are the filesystems that are imaged and can't be manually altered without S-Off. If you do alter them, the system will see the change and re-write the filesystem like you never touched it or just soft brick.
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
Well I was a bit bored this morning, so I figured I'd make some phone calls and see what Verizon and HTC had to say about the Rezound's bootloader. I called Verizon and spoke to a second-level tech about the bootloader being locked, and why the GNex could come straight out with an unlockable bootloader on Verizon, but the Rezound needs to be locked down. She couldn't give me any answers at all, but offered to escalate it to a higher level tech who will (supposedly) call me back when he gets in. Then I called HTC, and asked them what they had to say about it. The girl was very nice, and said that all she could say it that they manufactured the device to what the carrier wanted, and that HTC is committed to having all their bootloaders unlocked. She even when so far as to direct me to THIS SITE, saying that XDA is notoriously good at doing that.

I didn't really expect any answers out of them, but it looks like it's really on Verizon here. I just don't know why they chose the Rezound to lock down like this. Ideas? Thoughts?
[HTC Rezound] hoovnick:
I'm gonna say its because the phone is a beast waiting to be unleashed and they didn't want it to "outshine" the so called Google Flagship phones.

Either that or its secretly a device that if s-off is accomplished on it turns into a Tricorder/phaser/communicator, that is disguised as a smart phone.

kinda hoping for the latter....
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
Well here's another update....I called back Verizon again, just to see what another tech would say, and I managed to get a hold of one who knows a decent amount about unlocking and such, and he told me he's running an unlocked Inc2. He basically went with the usual story about network security and preventing free tethering and such. When I asked him why the Rezound had to be unlocked and not the GNex, he said that the GNex is a dev phone, and usually more experienced users will go for a phone like that. I wasn't buying that. It's not like you have to prove you're a dev or something to buy that phone. He told me he's sure it's going to be cracked eventually, and there's an OTA update coming mid January. Maybe the key lies in there. Who knows?
[HTC Rezound] SquireSCA:
So let me get this straight...

Their stance is that phones have to be locked because of network security... but the Nexus is for Devs, so it is ok to unlock it, despite the fact that the Devs are the ones that have the knowledge and nohow to hack things and create the very security leaks that they are afraid of, more so than any other type of user?

That is like asking the wolf to watch over your hen house because you are afraid of a cat. LOL

That tech is just regurgitating the company line. VZW wants all devices locked, but they had to make an exception in order to get the Nexus, as I am sure it was a deal-breaker for Google to have a locked bootloader installed on it.

VZW's stance has not changed. Moto and HTC both made a big deal about not locking bootloaders any more, but VZW still requires them and will continue to do so.
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
That's exactly what I told him....he responded that the devs are less likely to brick their phones, and that was another component of it. They don't want returns of bricked phones b/c people didn't know what they are doing. I'll guarantee Google would have told them to go screw themselves if they demanded a locked bootloader.

Here's the thing now. With the piece of spectrum they bought, they're not supposed to lock bootloaders. They obviously do though. Many people have said they could claim that it's for network security and get around the restriction though. However, with the fact that they're allowing unlocked bootloaders on the GNex, can't we fight that? If it was for network security, they'd want them all locked.
[HTC Rezound] MrSmith317:
And our policy will continue to be to break down all the walls and play with our toys the way we want to.
[HTC Rezound] clos101:
I suppose if you are too impatient to wait for root, switch to the gnex. That's what I'm doing!

I feel like the tech specs are pretty much a wash. The camera mp difference doesn't really bother me much. Processor is relatively similar. I never remove my sd card. The mass storage issue is a little concerning. Otherwise, they are both awesome phones.

Verizon is making the process pretty complicated, it really felt like they didn't want me to exchange my rezound for the gnex. Just spent 30 minutes on the phone jumping through hoops to get the gnex order in without having to send my rezound in first.
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
Enjoy your GNex, but where did I say I was too impatient? You couldn't give me the GNex. Well, maybe you could give it to me, but that's about it. I'm as patient as they come. We'll get root eventually, and when we do, we'll blow the GNex out of the water.
[HTC Rezound] clos101:
yeah. I'm the impatient one... hehe.

I'm not a dev. I just feel like I'd rather trust someone (google devs) I can hold accountable, than count on people who are doing this as more of a hobby. I just think I have no right to complain (to anyone but myself) if something isn't working right on my eventually modded rezound.
[HTC Rezound] dustintheweb:
I thought we already did :D

Scroll down & check the benchmark table

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/16/verizon-galaxy-nexus-review/

:cool:
[HTC Rezound] Evo4gLI:
Good point, I was just looking at that myself. Wait till we get custom ICS roms....GNex owners will be crying. That's what they get for buying a Samsung.
[HTC Rezound] SquireSCA:
That is the argument that I would make. They have historically claimed it was for network security.

Ok, fine, then lock the GNex. No? Then I guess it isn't really about network security, is it?

A malicious hacker can go get a "Dev Phone" and have a free pass on VZW's network?

Homey don't think so.