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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
My cousin is a hipster who's always loved the iPhone since it first came out, 4 days ago he picked up the 4s and was bragging about how smooth it was. I showed him that my lumia was smoother and he started swiping back and forth on his screen as fast as he could. Right then, he gripped his phone and it shattered, that might be an understatement, it exploded. It was just a mess. I am an opportunist so at this point I said "something else my phone can do that yours can't." I then pitched my phone and then let it crash to the ground unscathed. He was in awe. I've been letting him play with my titan since and he keeps asking "think I can trade my phone for this?" its amazing how people react once they try WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] derausgewanderte:
oppotunist with a lot of money as well? Or maybe you are very well insured.

I woudn't drop mine on purpose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
My son threw his off a balcony unscathed. A 4 foot fall won't hurt it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
How hard or in what way was he gripping his iPhone that it shattered? That seems like some incredible brute strength
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Either that, orrrrr it's not true in the slightest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It doesn't take much to break the 4 or 4s. I probably see more people walking around with broken screens than with good ones. The ones with decent screens are often using otterboxes. When a phone's externals are mostly glass it's not hard to break.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Yup, my mates sons both hav iPhone 4 and both have shattered/ cracked backplanes and one has a chip in the glass on the front, should be said, they are both early 20's and party a lot and the phones are about 6 months old.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
you can smash an iPhone 4 by looking at it the wrong way..

I hear Steve jobs built it so that if you don't look at it with complete love and adoration in your eyes it will self destruct
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
I hate the Iphone/Ipod/IToilet but this is one of the coolest things I heard :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] contable:
Tell me more about the iToilet... haha

Without joking I also know some people who have a broken iphone screen because the phone only fell out of the pocket. So I always show them my OMNIA 7 where I never have put a screen protector. After 1 year of using the screen is still non-scratched...
[Windows Phone 7 General] johnston9234:
Windows phone 7 is kinda awful though. I owned an HD7 for a couple weeks and it got old quick. The animations were annoying, I missed Google Apps (turn by turn nav was sweet!), really not interested in social networking, and the app selection is terrible. Also, I loved experimenting with all the roms that were available for Android.

If there is something that apple does right is, iTunes has a huge music selection, great app store, super smooth gaming performance, and great developers all around, and amazing responsiveness. Course, if he wants to trade a 4S for a Lumnia then I have a spare laying around here, tell him to call me up :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
to each their own, I just came from android and aside from games this phone is a much better experience.

It doesn't feel like it's shoddily pieced together by 100 random people, it is coherent and smooth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Itunes and right should not be in the same sentence.itunes is the worst piece of software anybody had ever created i cannot anybody would like this virus
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
please don't this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] johnston9234:
Yep, would hate to have pro-Android sentiments on XDA, god forbid!

Anyway, When I was talking about iTunes I meant their music selection and the content, I do agree that iTunes is a terrible piece of software though! One of the big reasons I stopped using them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovenokia:
it doesnt matter how many times an iphone user will drop his phone break than buy a new one. They will still buy an iphone again so it will take a LONG time till we will be able to break the isouls but with android i have converted quite a few people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Poughkeepsie125:
The weirdest people on the planet are the people who want to convert you to their preferred mobile operating system. I don't even know what I would do if someone tried to convert me by dropping their phone on the floor - run away screaming, perhaps.

I have an iPhone and a Samsung Focus S. If I drop either one of them, they'll break. Near as I can tell, Apple, Microsoft and even Google have yet to defeat gravity with their current offerings.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrewkeith5:
Having dropped my HTC 7 Pro a good few times now, the sum total of damage are a couple of paintchips, and the h on the back has gone missing. In summary, the same as my HTC Legend.

It isn't difficult to make a phone that can survive being dropped. The iPhone 4/4s is just incredibly fragile. I have made a small fortune out of replacing the glass on my friends shattered iPhones - HTC have made a few quid too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Localhorst86:
I dropped my HTC 7 Mozart on purpose a couple of times to demonstrate how solid it is. It has a few scuffs on the metal case, but the screen remains flawless and the device itself works fine. The only issue I had when dropping the phone was the fact that the battery cover flew off every time and the battery slid out :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] gamefrick:
Awesome story!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] atm153:
Same thing with my 7 Pro/Arrive. The thing is built like a tank. So strange for me to have a phone that doesn't crack if I look at it wrong :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
I just recently dropped my htc surround on my garage floor from close to shoulder height as i was getting out of my truck. i had an oem htc hard rubberized case on it. The case came off, phone was screen down. i was almost afraid to flip it over. turned it over, not a scratch. hit the power button, it was still on as it was when i was getting out. snapped the case back on, one small scratch on back of case.

I also had an htc tilt that i left on the back of my truck as i went down the road. remembered i didn't have my phone 2 miles later. went back, found the phone on one side of the street, the back and battery on the other. snapped it back together and re-snapped on the keyboard (bottom of it cam loose from the keyboard itself. powered right up, a few scratches on the back but worked fine.

i would have to say, the iphone would have taken neither of those drops.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Probably not, but then, neither would a Samsung Focus, since it uses essentially the same glass for its display that the iPhone uses (but obviously only on one side).
[Windows Phone 7 General] yeahyeahyeah1981:
My Samsung Focus does have a scratch on it and I dont even know where when it happened. In other words, I never dropped it or did anything that would have been an obvious cause. Its a phone and its not indestructible. Hands down though, the Mango OS is the fastest, most stable and smooth OS of them all. If the app selection and quality were better than it would be a no brainer, but lets face it, apps are very important. They are getting better and will definitely get better. I figure in about 2 years, after Windows 8 becomes the norm, then Windows Phone will trump them all. As it stands the OS and native apps are miles better than iOS and Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Do you know what Microsoft should do? They should ban all the IP or make all iTunes can't run on their Windows OS... LOL.

J/k..

By the way, I want to say Microsoft has nothing to do with the quality build of the phone. But i agree that most of iPhone user take care their phone more than they take care themselves. cracked-screen iPhone is super familar with me. But most people don't think it is the big deal though.

Talk about the quality build, i think this time is for a 2 piece of metal design like HTC Titan. I mean, the whole shell of the phone is the back cover, and it could be easily replaced without any painful experience of opening the whole thing out. Just buy a new back cover from OEM or somewhere else online, and just put it in.

I have done myself a couple interview with some teenagers around my place. They all think that Windows Phone is cool, some of them love it because of Zune Pass. I know a guy who have bought over 4000 songs on iTunes... I just wonder if he can listen to all of those songs... lol.

But there is a downgrade at WP7 that kids and people don't like, is the enviroment of apps. marketplace is being filled, but not all of them are good apps. There are some apps, familar with on iPhone, but it may be overpriced and have less function that the iPhone version. We will see about that in the future
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
Ok im no pro at this so im just gona do my best lol. My gf bought me a ballistic case and it arrived today. When people take pics comparing cases it has helped me out in the past so im gona attempt to return the favor.

1) 1st pic is the 2 cases in the packaging. Ballistic is real fancy with theres its almost like buyin a dvd box set lol

2) 2nd pic is the 2 cases front view without extra rubber layer on ballistic

3) 3rd pic is a side view of same 2 cases as 2nd

4) 4th pic is front view of cases with extra rubber layer on ballistic

5) 5th pic is side view of same 2 cases as 4th

6) last 2 pics are of cases in there holdsters

I hope these help people who are deciding if they should buy ballistic. There down to $30 on ebay. It is a little bulkier. Im a slap the ballistic on now and give it a run for its money lol
[HTC EVO 3D] 3vo kid:
deff worth the money... ive dropped my evo over 10ft and had it came out perfectly fine, then there was a "test comparison" against someones otterbox and to prove a point i chucked it against the wall... once again undamaged lol
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
Yea if i had to pick a case to drop off the top of a building lol id go with the ballistic. The cool thing about this case is if you dont need the extra rubber layer you can just take it off
[HTC EVO 3D] 3vo kid:
yeah deff a nice perk if you dont feel like rockin the whole set up
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
Nice one thanks for pics, I'm just trying to find someone who will ship to the UK!

Can you comment on - Fit, quality, your impressions of the case?
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
The hardcase alone feels like it will protecr more then the otterbox would. The rubber silicon is alot thicker then otterboxes rubber. The built in screen protector also dosent leave the wet spot things like otterbox dose. I gotta say the thing i like the best is the holster. It dosent have that ugly curled up lip like otterbox which makes it impossible for people like me who like to clip the phone on the inside of there pocket
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
Just ordered mine! I had an Otterbox for my HD2, but the design was better than the one for the 3VO (no gap at the top of the screen protector) I also have a Trident Kraken II but IMO it sucks, not protective enough, no dust filters and no built in screen protector.

The Ballistic looks to be the level of protection I need for my work and play :D

I had to get Grey/Black in the end as I couldnt find a Black/Black to ship to the UK for Under £80!!! Just ordered from Ebay £33 delivered - same price as Otter and Kraken. Now gotta wait 10 days... I'll post pics when I get it!!
[HTC EVO 3D] Akasa Fox:
I'm rocking the Ballistic HC right now, much better quality wise than Otterbox in my opinion.

Honestly, I don't trust any other kind of case on my phone.

Meshing around the speaker ports, which has already saved my phone because I walk in the rain. (COLLEGE KID D:)

Outer silicone addition is much thicker than Otterbox. (Seconded previous post)

The case itself feels more study than Otterbox.
[HTC EVO 3D] guitardoc64:
Thanks for posting the pix. I have the Otterbox, but have had concerns about the gap at the top of the screen protector and the lack of mesh over the speaker. Ballistic looks like the way to go.
[HTC EVO 3D] firemedic1343:
I had a Ballistic HC for my Evo 4G, it was awesome. I loved it. I ended up recently getting a good deal on a Trident Cyclops II. I love this case. I'm glad I got rid of the Otterbox Defender, the rubber was getting weird.

Anyhow, in my opinion Ballistic and Trident make the best cases on the market and Otterbox falls a bit behind them.
[HTC EVO 3D] Night·Fire:
I received my Ballistic HC over a week ago.

I like it much better than my Defender. I'm able to use the entire touch screen with the HC, the Defender makes it difficult to get the Q and P on the keyboard, the HC does not.

I broke 2 defender cases, one within the first week, just from wearing it around. I've dropped the HC while on a single story roof, my shingle hammer fell right behind it and landed on it, blade first. It put a small nick in the case under the LEDs. They landed on a concrete slab that was covered in loose shingles.

The only downside, the plastic parts are glossy and show every little scratch.
[HTC EVO 3D] firemedic1343:
That's my biggest gripe with the Defender, Otterbox has been doing this for some time, how could they make a case that makes it difficult to touch the edges of the screen? It's not for superior protection because the Ballistic HC and Trident both give you access to more real estate with more protection to boot!
[HTC EVO 3D] silendt:
That's my biggest complaint about the Defender. I hated having to re-learn how to type, just so I could have some peace of mind. Also a good number of people I spoke to on the phone were annoyed by its incessant creaking. I ordered the HC hoping it'd fare better, and I'm glad to hear that screen real-estate is not a problem with this case. Should be here by the end of the week, can't wait!
[HTC EVO 3D] vanisleguy1976:
This thread sold me on the Ballistic HC! Placed my order today, can't wait for the beast to arrive!
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
You wont regret it, imo it beats defender and trident hands down! Build quality is excellent, holster is brilliant and easy to use and protection is, well, cant get any better :D
[HTC EVO 3D] gronimo21:
I love my case it's just what im looking for and guess what it's cheaper than the otter box
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Ballistic hc case is a bad ass case. The only thing I like about otterbox is there warranty kicks the crap outta ballistic and trident.

I broke the clip on the defender wrote Otter about it sent a pic they sent me a brand new case and holster and let you keep your old case and broken holster.

Trident makes you send your old one in takes about a week for them to check it out and send you a new one.
[HTC EVO 3D] vanisleguy1976:
My HC arrived today!! Felt like Christmas all over again. This thing is a monster, and I like that about it.

Two initial concerns though...

- My Targus stylus is fairly non responsive (anyone have a different type of stylus they use successfully?)

- I'm mildly concerned about the kick stand. I won't be very surprised if it snaps off.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with my choice! I can't wait to drop it... By 'accident' ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
That kickstand will popoff quite a bit lol. But it snaps right back on. It only pops off when pulled to hard. I think that was done intentionally to avoid breaking it n half
[HTC EVO 3D] SyntaX32:
anyone know were to get the belt clip i broke mines recently.
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
I think ebay will help you out
[HTC EVO 3D] notsointeresting:
Can someone send me the exact link for this case (ballistic) in website? sorry I'm having trouble getting it.
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
Well i had to call ballistic today bc the flap that covers my charge port is ripping. They told me to send them an email with the pic so well see how there customer service stacks up
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
Mm wonder what they'll say. I looked on their site last night and it looks like they've redesigned the hc case to add the port covers to the inner case, so i wonder if they found this was a fault?

Let us know what happens.
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
Wow your right the did redesigni it i didnt even realize that. I think that will make the case alot better. Also the only reason i used the outer layer was so that the ports were covered. That inner mayer is enough support as it is
[HTC EVO 3D] tripsa4u:
Otterbox has saved my phone many times
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
Ballistic saves my phone daily! :p
[HTC EVO 3D] alanmv567:
Just received my Ballistic, love it. Only downside is my gf says it looks ugly....hah. It looks great though and i feel its going to protect my phone while I'm at work. I just hope the clip on doesn't break easily. Are there any holders out there on ebay or amazon that this phone with the ballistic case can fit? Like a leather pouch holder. I currently have one but it seems with the whole case and the rubber, it does not fit at all haha.
[HTC EVO 3D] alanmv567:
So what's the update on the case? Will they send you another one?
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
From what I read on there site they are picky... If you didn't buy it from them there warranty is hard to use...
[HTC EVO 3D] chronic9058:
I'd just like to throw this out there: I've just got the HTC silicone case from radio shack I got on sale for $9.99. My phone was dropped in a parking lot made of rocks and gravel, left out for 2 hours in very light rain and ran over by, judging by the tire tracks, multiple cars. Took off my screen protector and cleaned up the phone. No visible damage, phone still works perfectly, and the liquid indicator hasn't been activated. This phone is study as hell, these fancy cases are probably over-kill :P
[HTC EVO 3D] steveoh.sf:
Losing faith in Otterbox

Thanks for this post. I hadn't seen the Ballistic HC. It definitely looks sturdier according to the specs on there site! Back when I had an Otterbox Defender for my iPhone, It was great. Solid construction! But it seems like ever since they started making them for every smartphone, the quality of design and construction on the Otterbox has taken a nosedive! I can never get the lip of my Otterbox's silicone shell to fully lock snugly into the rim. There's always a loose corner. They just didn't give enough of a lip to lock into.

I would like to make a correction to the original post however concerning the shell of the Ballistic HC reportedly being rubber. Both cases' soft outer shell are made of silicone not rubber. This is good for those with allergies to rubber or latex, but for people like me that have dry skin not so much. Most good lasting hand lotions have dimethicone, cyclomethicone, or some other silicone based lubricant in them. Pretty much any silicon based polymer- even glass- is amorphous. That means it's not really a solid. and the blend with each other well. The dimethicone from the lotion will start soaking into the shell causing it to lose shape. I confirmed this theory by setting an old phone case in a puddle of pure dimethicone on accident. it was a fairly rigid case before, but after that it looked like something from Dali's "Persistence of Memory." Just wanted to let people know, because these are expensive cases and we want to be get a long life out of them! They may be waterproof and oil resistant, but not necessarily hand lotion proof. LOL
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Lmao . Anyways they hold up well. I been liking the kraken case but broke my clip . So I ordered a ballistic for 19 bucks .
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
Ive sent the picture twice and called twice and still nothing. Im a guess that since they updated there case they probally dont have these in stock anymore and no one wants to tell me......but then again they did offer to sell me a replacement rubber for $15. Ballistic is a joke. 1st there 5 months late on making a case for the 3d then kt turns out to be a flaw and now there customer service dosent wanna replace anything. Nothing but otterboxes from here on out
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
My gf had the pink trident kracken. It was a good case. I just wish it had a built in screen protector
[HTC EVO 3D] Scougar:
For the price it really would be handy to have one.. especially as the screen faces outwards which means you can easily knock the screen against a table or something. (Yes I've broken several phones that way when carrying in my pocket).
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
So they are making new ones ? You can find ballistic cases on ebay pretty cheap... I dunno why they are making a new one just seems odd.. They were really late when they made some for the evo 3d in the past...
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
There makin a new one for the same reason i made a claim. The rubber rips on the tabs to easy. The new ones have the port covers on the inner layer. Not the outer
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Nice wonder how well the one I got on ebay will hold up lol.

Reaper midnight blue .
[HTC EVO 3D] bmoreboy02:
I never had that problem with the one on my evo4g. Im wonderin if maybe its something i did to make that tab rip
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
I had no problems with it on the og EVO :D Only had the case break my volume button twice lol Dunno why . Hope this case holds up well.

Reaper midnight blue .
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
Well the ballistic case is pretty sweet tho I had to ditch my zagg I had on to use it.
[HTC EVO 3D] notasimpleway:
Moved question to different thread. :)
[HTC EVO 3D] Slwitek:
Just bought one of these off ebay. I wont be using this case. This thing seems huge! I might as well carry a tablet around with me. I dont doubt that it will protect my phone, but damn, I'm not trying to drop my phone from the Empire State Building! I will sell it for what I bought it for 19.99 plus shipping. PM me!
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
It is a big case but works well for what it was designed for.
[HTC EVO 3D] molitar:
I like my Ballistic Hardcase but I don't use the silicone outer gel it's too large.. remove that and it's the perfect size.. it doesn't have sharp edges at the ear piece like the Otter and does not restrict the edges of the screen like the Otter. I'm surprised they got such a bad rap for customer service I almost always use eyeglass cleaning cloth to keep mine clean but got a couple of bad spots on the plastic protective screen took a picture of it and they are sending me a replacement.

I opted for the hardshell over the soft gel only for the reason of the kickstand and holster. Removing the silicone outer layer I took a small stick on foam sticker I picked up from walmarts and stuck it to the inside bottom of the holster and found it makes the phone fit perfectly even with the outer layer off. I've been happy with the package and do not regret moving to it from the Otterbox.. I really should list this Otterbox one on craigslist to get rid of it as it's been in a drawer since I purchased the Ballistic I had pre-ordered.

Otterbox Cons:

1. Sharp plastic near the earpiece (Ballistic no sharp edge cutting in my ear)

2. plastic edges blocking typing near the edges (Ballistic does not block any of the screen edge for typing)

3. Belt clip made of cheap plastic that breaks so no kickstand when that happens (Ballistic kickstand works and easily snaps back on if pressing down to hard that you snap it off)

Cons on Ballistic:

1. Could of used a better plastic for the protective screen but it has not affected the touch any

2. They could of designed holster a bit better so it worked with or without the silicon gel

So I will stay with the Ballistic Hardshell with the silicon gel removed the issue with holster was a very simple fix with a thing strip of 2 inch foam sticky that made the fit tight again for the phone without the outer layer.
[HTC EVO 3D] GrimReaper24:
If you take the rubber off lmao... On the ballistic it tends to get dust in it pretty easy ..
[HTC EVO 3D] osrix:
Totally agree, I really wana get the new version with built in port covers but so far cant get one in the UK without it costing nearly as much as a new phone!

Ballistic sent me the new product code for anyone that's interested its HA0850-M005