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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
Yea I'm a heavy data user.... so I thought. But looking at several past invoices I realized I only use about 200 minutes and about 1.5-2gb a month data. I utilize wifi at work, work, and hotels when I can.

I pay $60 a month on T-Mobile for 1000 minutes and 5gb cap.

Buying the phone outright and using the Nexus on a cheap plan (Simple Mobile or Walmart special) is the way to go.

I also have a Verizon blackberry through work. I'm ditching my personal line, buying the Nexus on a new contract price on the corporate account and saving my money.

500mb of data would kill me... especially if there are overages and penalties.

G2x - 2.3.7 CM7

Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b1337:
$149 up front but you pay full price for the phone over the 2 years which is $15 a month or more extra on top of the 59.99 a month
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Towle:
Correct 30x24+850=1570, which would work if there were no taxes and fees. And I did mine wrong I was going off of the time until I can upgrade again, my bad.

I'm still paying less than him after taxes and fees, and getting 10x the minutes.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Towle:
What? No. I pay $149 total for the phone, I'm not on a value plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Look at my post again for a better breakdown... And even if he's paying 10% sales tax on his monthly purchases (there's no carrier fees involved with a pre-pay plan), that's only another $72 over 2 years.

That walmart/T-mo prepay play is an amazing deal. I'm looking to switch to it myself from my EM+ plan.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b1337:
pinky up :) i need that plan!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Towle:
The point I'm trying to make is that there is no savings in buying a phone outright and going on an off contract plan (when comparing apples to apples with the plans). The only difference is one has a contract and one doesn't. Which I don't plan on leaving Tmobile anytime soon, or ever, because everyone else is more expensive.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Well there is considering that this phone isn't offered on T-mobile... If you're going to be buying a phone full price to get one not available on the carrier, then you're saving money by going pre-pay or some form of off-contract service. And like I said, people see value in being off contract.

I wasn't trying to say you're doing the wrong thing (everyone makes their own choice for service that works for them), but I have to point out blatant math errors when you're trying to prove your point. He really is spending less money over 2 years.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Towle:
I'm not saying anyone is doing anything wrong by going that route either, it's all personal preference. I just didn't like the statement "I don't get why people don't realize" when it's not true.

And your comparison isn't even valid. I'm pretty sure neither of us live in fake worlds and I paid $149 for my phone and he paid $850 for his. Even if they come out to be the same price over 2 years, I'm getting 10x the minutes, and don't have to fork over $600+ at one shot. Like I said, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the other plans whatsoever, I just don't want people saying that everyone else is stupid for not going that route, when it's all personal preference.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JTECJ:
I'm on someones employee t-mobile plan : ) 2k minutes my faves unlimited txt web tethering and insurance for $10 a month : )
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
I simply covered the fact that most people are buying their Nexus' for ~$700, and T-mobile advertises the SGSII for $229.

That aside, I think his statement still holds strong. You've obviously crunched the numbers but most don't. Most people don't realize that there are fantastic off contract or pre-pay options that can save them $100's per year. Especially if they're coming from Verizon or AT&T, we're talking about moving from ~$100 per month to ~$30.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mohitrocks:
Thanks so much for the replies guys :D I think what I'll be doing is buying it on a three year contract, buying another phone unlocked after a year or so when it becomes TRULY obsoleted in terms of software + hardware and using the sim on that. (I also had a question: would the galaxy nexus be considered "unlocked" after I remove the sim? Or is it still locked to the carrier? Also, if it is locked to the carrier, could I just get it unlocked from an external source?) Also, I have 14 days to return the phone (as long as I don't use 15 minutes or 1.5 mb) Finally, I'm not on a two year contract, but a 3 year one. The best plan I could get is $70/month and I get 6GB of data + 200 minutes. I see how I'm losing money, but I'm in Canada and the plans here are MUCH worse than in the US.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phazerorg:
Hopefully it will be unlocked from Bell. The Nexus S was, and some people have reported Bell reps saying the Galaxy Nexus will be as well.

You should ask Bell for 6 GB though. I talked to a rep and told him that Rogers was offering me 6 GB for the 500 MB price (unadvertised, but it was all over mobile sites a week or two ago), and asked if Bell could do the same for me if I was signing a 3-year contract. He said they would. It's common for Bell and Rogers to offer the 6 GB at times... ask for it, and if you're signing a 3-year contract you might just get it. Why have only 500 MB if you can get 6 GB for the same price? :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] momagic:
Wait, what? A THREE YEAR CONTRACT? I thought 24 months was hard enough!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Prof-KOS:
It's the unfortunate standard for Canada. The two-year contract price for the GN is $599.99. That's F***ing ridiculous. This is why I decided to let my current contract run out in 15 months and not sign another. It's unlocked phones and the negotiating ability of switching for me now.

I'm also hoping the GN is carrier unlocked, as it should be, from Bell. Since I'm buying it outright anyways, I'll just drop my Telus SIM in and be a happy camper. Otherwise I have to wait until January when Telus and Rogers release it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blingless:
I can confirm that the Bell GN is unlocked. Just popped a Telus sim in and it worked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diablos991:
Yikes! Those carriers don't even use lube up there in Canada! All this time I thought we had it bad.

Sent from my LG-P999
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aindow:
I feel the same way when i hear about the plans in the US.

I got the GN for free with fully unlimited internet(includes tethering, absolutely no data limits or fair use policy here), 5000 texts, 2000mins of any network calls and 5000mins of calls to others on the same network for £40 a month (about $62 a month) with a two year contract.

Back on topic though, three years seems to be a very long time to be tied in with any provider and the same phone. I was clawing up the walls to get away from my previous supplier after 15 months in my last contract.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phazerorg:
Agreed, though you can always buy out of the contract, and I believe the most they can charge you is $500. So if I buy the Galaxy Nexus for Bell's $159 price on a 3-year contract, and then decide I don't like Bell I can pay $500 to get out of it. That works out to $659, and their price for the phone with no contract is $649 so I'm only paying $10 more in the end. And if I'm happy to stay with Bell, then I only paid $159. This is probably the route I will go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aindow:
Provided they have a cap on the disconnection fees you should be fine should you decide to leave. I guess you could always sell the phone if worse comes to worse. If they're a decent network though i guess it makes the long contract easier to live with.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Gunner86:
That is wrong, when you have a data plan (which is needed with the gn) it costs more, i am 1 1/1 years into a 3 year contract and i called to see how much it would cost me to cancel the other day and i was quoted over 600$ (i can't remember the exact amount)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phazerorg:
Bell does have a better network in my area than my current provider. Rogers only has HSPA(+) in 3 areas of my province (large metro area and two towns, and I'm about 5 km outside of the large one and only get EDGE!), while Bell covers pretty much the entire province, and I'm pretty sure I can talk Bell into a 6 GB data plan for the 500 MB price (Rogers offered me this, and Bell also offers it at times, so if they want my business, they'll give it to me).

In my case, switching means better coverage, much higher speed, and a cheap Galaxy Nexus which I can buy out of at basically the cost of the phone in the end. I've been considering all possibilities as Canada's December 8th release date gets closer and I think this is the best option for me even if it means signing up for a 3-year contract.

For other Canadians reading this thread, I'd love to hear your plans for getting the Galaxy Nexus on the release date... buy contract-free (if possible, still not sure if Bell will sell it without a contract as they removed this from their site!), or on-contract, or whatever.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dinan:
I plan on getting it through Virgin Mobile on either their supertab or pre-pay monthly plans then cancelling shortly after and keeping the phone (paying off the remaining tab). Don't think Bell will sell this thing off contract since the reps only make commission when they sell a contract. I wouldn't mind Bell's service but it's just too expensive... my Rogers plan is pretty sick right now (lets just say its a 500 min, unlimited night/weekend/incoming 6gb and extras for under $40/mo.)

Also I've heard that the Bell ETF for the iPhone 4/4S is somewhere around $700 which is ridiculous so **** bell lol.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] phazerorg:
I was going by my Rogers contract, which is $400 for the voice part and $100 for the data. Sad to hear that Bell is more expensive to get out of a contract.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Prof-KOS:
You are my hero.

Telus' ETF is $20/month for every month remaining, with no upper limit. Minimum is $200, I think.

This is why I'm done with Contracts unless the carriers get their collective heads out of their asses.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dinan:
So who's going to get one at 1pm at Bay/Dundas Best Buy today? heh...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Prof-KOS:
Going to the mall in 20 min. to buy one from Virgin Mobile. My buddy bought one yesterday and was forced to buy the 30 day plan, but it worked out.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sohoxda:
30day

How does the 30 day plan work? Does that mean you pay $650 for the phone but must commit to a 30 day contract?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Prof-KOS:
Yup, and it's exactly what I had to do to. The plan Virgin gave me was only $20. She also waived all activation fees. $20 was a small price to pay for not waiting until January (and giving my wife time to change her mind about letting me buy it).

Final tally was $735 after taxes.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Hi everyone!

I have just recently decided to root my Desire HD.

So I used jkoljo's awesome guide to downgrade, then perm root with VISIONary, then jkoljo's One click Radio S-OFF tool. As expected everything went very smooth and I now have root, Radio S-OFF and CM7.1.0 Stable installed!

Now here's my main question: Should I flash my Radio?

I'm currently running 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M which I believe came with the stock rom which I downgraded to. Prior to rooting/flashing I had 12.54.60.25U_26.09.04.11_M2 running on Gingerbread 2.3.3 with Vodafone AU branding and my carrier is currently also Vodafone AU.

If I was to flash my Radio then I would probably return to 12.54.60.25U_26.09.04.11_M if possible. If I'm correct, I believe that I would also need ENG S-OFF which shouldn't be too hard to achieve, yet again thanks to jkoljo's One click ENG S-OFF. Just for the record I haven't attempted this yet.

All the Radio flashing guides seem very straight forward but they all have very large red text warning me that flashing Radio is a risky business. So as a complete newbie at flashing and what not I'm kind of reluctant to attempt this, I don't exactly what an expensive paper weight, I mean who does? :P

So thanks in advance for any advice I can get!

Cheers,

Kevin
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cwibel:
I think You should flash a newest radio version, bacause You can get a better battery

consumption, signal and faster GPS fix. The HTC Desire HD Radio Thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=877295. To flash a radio You need jkoljo's tool One click ENG S-OFF.

Flashing radio is a risky operation, but if You succesfully rooted Your DHD, You'll

succsesfully flash a radio, here's a guide. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=896597.

Also remember to flash a matching Radio Interface Libraries. When Matching radio and

RIL You'll get signal stability and better battery consumption.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Awesome, thanks for the reply and clarifying the uses of an RIL. I'm on CM7.1.0 stable at the moment, does that support RIL? I've read that only nightly builds support it at the moment. Maybe I should wait?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cwibel:
As far as i know, RIL's are only for sense based ROM's.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Awesome, I guess I'll just flash my Radio without the RIL since I'm on CM7. My battery is quite terrible at the moment running on 12.28b.60.140eU_26.03.02.26_M. It went from 100% to 66% battery within 6 hours from just WiFi and general usage. You think this is caused by the Radio?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cwibel:
I think it's quite heavy consumption. It can be a radio or some application is draining a battery.You should try a newer radio version. Remember to give it few days for a settle in and check results. Try also find out if there is a recommended radio version for Your ROM.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Hey, thanks again for your thoughts. So I've just been seeing how the battery settles with a few days of usage and it seems to be pretty much the same I guess. On idle it seems pretty good but when actually being used it drains quite a bit. Does the Kernel have much effect on the batter? From what I've heard, WiFi is controlled by the Kernel am I right? I still have no idea how the kernel would change things though and how it would improve the usage of the device. What exactly does it do? Any input would be great!

Cheers!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maatsby:
hi, i was in exactly your position not too long ago, very worried about flashing a radio because of all of the warnings.

So have you flashed a new one yet? If you haven't, read through everything a couple of times, then read it again, and then maybe one more time, and then flash a new radio. I think that's a good starting point to see if the battery life improves, i certainly found an improvement going from the 26.03.02.26 one that you mentioned to the 26.09.04.11

after doing that, there are lots of battery saving tips on this forum that you could try to see if you get even more out of the battery.

The kernel is the bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level (i stole that from wikipedia)

so it can have an effect on battery life too, and flashing a new kernel wouldn't be a bad idea. but again, have a look in to it by reading through this forum.

lastly, the RIL is the interface between radio and phone. CM7.1 has the 0018G RIL included already. This will work fine with the newest radios, so you don't have to change anything. There are different RIL's for Sense-based roms and CM7-based roms, so again don't worry about trying to change RILs unless you read up on it.

sorry for the essay but i hope that's helped!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Thanks for the reply! No I haven't flashed the Radio yet. I'll flash it sometime this weekend when I have time. The guides seems pretty straight forward, it seems like the only important part is making sure the Radio is not corrupted which can be done with a simple md5 check am I correct? In conjunction to that of course is ENG S-OFF which is simple enough using the one-click tools from jkoljo. I'm just going to flash it with 12.54.60.25_26.09.04.11_M2 which is what I had before root and it wasn't too shabby plus it's also recommended.

Anything else major that I have to do before flashing Radio?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maatsby:
yep, always check MD5

you've covered it i think, ENG S-OFF first, and make sure you follow the manual to the letter and everything should hopefully go ok.

the guide i used was the same that cwibel posted above, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=896597

not sure if you know this already but after running the one-click tool double check it worked by booting in to bootloader and making sure it says ACE PVT ENG S-OFF at the top, not ACE PVT SHIP S-OFF

good luck with it and enjoy your rooted phone! but be warned, this flashing and modding business can get very addictive...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Haha yes I can see where you're coming from. CM7 is so much better than the stock Sense as I was so sick of it. Plus it's packed full of features which stock will never get.

So I just had a quick read of the CM7 post on xda and it says:

Battery drain issue

Desire HD only: Older Radio have know issue which drain faster on asleep

26.04.02.17 is the safest

newer version work too but prevent routing and can't be downgraded: make sure to have radio s-off before flashing newer version

What does it mean by routing and unable to downgrade? I thought that by having ENG S-OFF you could flash whichever Radio you wish. Or does one have to flash to stock using PD98IMG.zip method and thus returning to the older Radio and then reflash? Sorry for all the questions but I'm a bit confused.

Oh and thanks for the tip for checking ENG S-OFF, totally didn't know that.

Cheers!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maatsby:
wait until you have a look at some CM7 mods like the ones in my signature. i went a bit crazy for a few days there flashing all of them

i'm not sure what that means sorry. to be honest i haven't tried "downgrading" my radio, again i'm not sure what that even means, i thought you could just flash between different types without an issue. I'm happy to be enlightened on this by someone with a bit more knowledge!

The thing with radios though is that they're different for everyone in different locations, so honestly i would go for the one that came shipped with your phone. Vodafone seemed to think it was a good one so it's probably the best for our location. And it worked without any issues for me when i was using CM7.1.0. But it's up to you of course!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Beautiful! Just the answer I was looking for! I just needed to know whether it would work well with CM 7.1.

I don't exactly see a reason why I would want to downgrade Radio anyway, though just for reference I stumbled across this particular post where cocchiararo states that:

"it changes only if you downgrade using the PD98MIG.zip or the official method for isntalling.

if you do it using CWM, radios stays."

So in an event I would want to downgrade I guess that's how! I guess it also makes sense that everyone also recommends having Radio S-OFF also to flash back to the Stock.

Thank you so much for your help! Will try flashing it this weekend.

Cheers!

EDIT: I gave in and made some time to flash the Radio. Everything worked perfectly! Now I'm back to my good old 12.54.60.25U_26.09.04.11_M2. Thanks for all the help once again! Both cwibel and maatsby!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maatsby:
No worries mate! I'm glad it worked out well for you. Give the radio a chance to settle in before you decide if it's made a significant difference to battery life

And thanks for the link to that post, that's good to know.

I see it's already started, up til 1am flashing and posting on xda hey... you're doomed!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
So after about two days of constant usage I have seen that the radio obviously made a big difference in battery life! My battery graph is a lot more consistent than it was before. Very awesome!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mont2012:
Can you give me an answer for that one should flash a Ril or not?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maatsby:
good stuff. I actually flashed the 26.09.04.11 radio last night after this discussion, I wan't aware Vodafone included that radio as stock so I thought I should give it a go and see if it's any better for Sydney conditions. So, thank you for the info ;)

which rom are you using? you can check to see which RIL is included in your rom by typing this in to terminal emulator:

su
getprop gsm.version.ril-impl

and then from there you can google to see if that RIL is appropriate for the radio you're using. if it is, don't worry about flashing a RIL unless you're willing to experiment with a few of them to see for yourself which one works best for your phone and your location
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pudel211:
Hi Kevin,

this thread could be informative for you:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=996630
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qkevinto:
Very useful stuff, thanks for that!

Thanks, I'll have a look at it!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] same240:
Yeah, compare to my old version Radio, battery fast drain even after 10 hour (normal use). Now is much better battery life for new version.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] romeoh:
How can i port an existing rom?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nicgraner:
That's a very broad question..what device was this originally from? what version/flavor of android is this? Etc.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] estallings15:
Yeah Nicgraner is right. We need more info to help. Some phones port well to others with little difficulty. Others, not so much.

Google "dsixda rom kitchen"

What you learn may be helpful.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nicgraner:
Or go to chef central on here and poke around. Also if this is you trying to get in to deving, read cyanogens post there too.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] romeoh:
Well first thank you guys a lot for getting interested in helping me. i know a little bit in basics like rooting and flashing roms but i wanted to know more about how can i make my own rom or at least try to troubleshoot any cooked rom.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
Get familiar with logcat, to begin with.

Get familiar with smali/baksmali, decompiling and recompiling Java apps, and Java code for Android in general.

It'll get you half way there.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] DemonWav:
This is the first theme for the ICSSGS port! It is more of a mod, and a theme, but I'll get to explaining that. This mod works on any phone running RC1.

First off, this is universal to all the mod:

-All rotation enabled (screen rotates upside down)

-Lockscreen rotation

-New Default Wallpaper

-Optimized Framework

-Overscroll Glow Enhanced

-Removes most traces of Gingerbread that would poke through when using installed apps

-NEW!accurate battery mod

Screenshots before

Screenshots after

Download for RC1 Patch.

Now this is where the themes come into play.

And now we have the CYAN mod! (NOT what it sounds like LOL)

Screenshots

Porting...​

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And now we have the PURPLE mod!

Screenshots

Porting..
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Revert for RC1.

I plan on adding more colors and whatever else I can think of. As of right now I'm working on a darker blue and a green theme.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] TRusselo:
you know the rule.

screen shots or it didnt happen. red. ya right.

(sarcasm)
[Captivate Themes and Apps] DemonWav:
I guess I can upload screenshots, but its just the stock theme...just red. That's all it is.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] TheSoaresan:
10 char...
[Captivate Themes and Apps] DemonWav:
Same build as you, I have no lag. When do you experience the lag?