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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I think it's not like you describe it, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think Android is so strong on the market also because it's still unmatched as a whole OS, as a whole package. Absolutely. My personal comparison showed me there is a huge space still between both OSes.

Saying I don't feel the noteworthy lag on Android means there is not any noteworthy lag I've seen on my device since the first day of my usage. And I also have my own certain requirements for the device. So maybe just stop here in this regard, it's quite pointless.

Saying that features WP7 is still missing are "things that to most are unheard of" is just quite silly. These features are absolutely well known on any platfrom.

Plus some total basics like landscape homescreen support for qwerty devices, or "Select" all in txt entries. Lol these things are really basic.

Anyway I don't have to convince you and you don't have to convince me.

I know what I want now as well as you.

And I also think WP7 has a very good foundation and will succeed at least on some areas because it has very reasonable proposition. However I couldn't use it today because of some basics it misses, it is certainly my No 2, before other OSes like BB, Symbian, or Meego.

BTW, just remember please - MS is a software giant but it didn't prevent them from performing massive failures, like Vista or WM ****up in the end. So I don't think it's a real guarantee for anything today. Nokia was once a giant however they ****ed up their own position, the same happened partially to SE.

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I think you don't get the point at all.

It's totally different. The truth is world never stops. You can catch up but others still move forward, so until you are ahead or at least equal, there will be always something missing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
partially to se?

Lol se were nearly out of business until Sony bought them out recently.

They have been failing much more than Nokia.

Se are one of the worst selling android makers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well considering marketshare Nokia lost much much more.

Anyway both brands failed to grow in recent years, and mind Nokia is still few times bigger company than SE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
se really failed a lot though, especially since the x10..

They aren't exactly a reputable brand.

Nokia is quite big in Europe still, they did lose a lot of market in north America though
[Windows Phone 7 General] VKris:
not sure if you are just referring to US sales, but as per global sales, Motorola is the worst (of course when only talking about the bigger companies). SE sold almost a million devices more than Moto and missed to LG by a very close margin.

IMO SE makes some fine Android devices....SE Arc S screen quality, touch response, camera quality are one of the best in the market today
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
as a whole they are not doing well...

They nearly went out of business.

Their phones are decent, way too overpriced for the specs they have.

They are horrible as far as updating stuff goes.

Also they are bad for not standing behind the products they make.

The arc has been suffering random cracks in the housing for many people and they are denying its an issue and refusing to repair under warranty.

Horrible company
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well you see, the same reason I'd never buy Nokia or HTC...

Well I use their - SE - devices and as they had massive flop with X2, right,

now it's quite the opposite.

Opposed to **** devices Nokia did recenty,

their current Xperia line is decent and one of the finest in all Android's lineup.

And surprisingly they have a very good update system now, and devices are one of the first to get latest FW. Everything works well.

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Yep, that's right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
one of the finest? hardly..

Expensive with outdated specs..

Good cameras and they look nice, but a scam imo.

HTC has awesome build quality and are great phones. My last was an incredible s and it was awesome.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Amazing build quality with disgusting UI and the cameras.

Whatever.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Here the arc is the same price as the sgs2...

Lol pfft whatever se

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pfft disgusting UI..

Much better than uxp with the dock bar that takes up half the screen lol

And useless timescape

Sense is functional, se couldn't design software if they had cyanogenmod show them how..

Stupid failing company.

Sense is easily the most polished android skin.

Their cameras are much better now, my incredible s took great pics
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Fantastic, but we already agreed we like different things.

Use what you like but stop this fanboy **** here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
SE makes well balanced phones but they need to diversify. Too many of their phones are too similar. I do think they are a bumbling company and need to get their act together. I have owned many SE phones.

But that is all off topic.

No matter how flexible and versatile Android is, I cannot stand the force closes and the beyond bad battery life. Battery life is important to users and companies like Apple have always balanced hardware and battery. This is the biggest reason I cannot wait to get out of Android.

Also, just because you are "behind" in the race does not mean you will always stay behind. Innovation is difficult, imitation is easy.

And I am sure you would not consider the iPhone behind despite lacking tiles or widgets, adobe flash, native bt file transfer or file explorer, nfc, lte, expandable memory, removeable battery, etc. Businesses make business decisions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I totally agree on battery life. That's why I'm so happy with SE Arc which has very good batt life. On Android.

BTW I wait for the technology which will give at least 1 week of work on the phone without any recharge... When?!

As for limitations of platforms like iOS or WP7 - my friend from France visited me for 10 days. He has an iPhone, he left his MacBook home.

He made some photos, like 50, he wants to share them with me. So the only way he can do it now is to send me like 10 or more emails with it. Instead of sending them to my PC directly with BT or through cable. Simply idiotic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
that won't happen anytime soon...

Battery technology is not progressing that far.

Software can only do so much, batteries need to advance much more and this is a common concern as the worlds oil reserves shrink and shrink..

Source: I'm an electronics engineer
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They have batteries in test phase that can last for weeks and recharge in only a hour. They have a trillion tiny holes in them to help with energy use. Bad part is, the use shortens after 100 recharges.
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
sweet, thanks, i'm learning so much about wp7....

thanks for the derail and bantering on about devices i've already used, never wanted to use, and basically started a thread about leaving behind.

anyhow, i don't care about tethering, never used it. single vs dual core makes no difference to me as long as the device runs smoothly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
lol ok then.. Where did you hear this?

what are they supposedly, nuclear based?

eta: here is something about what you were stating, this is actually the first I've heard of it! I'm still fairly cynical and would need to hear more about it.

http://news.discovery.com/tech/batteries-last-week-after-15-minute-charge-111122.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
There's a lot of them in the pipe line but they're still a ways out. Most of them they are developing for electric cars.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I do know about electric car batteries, but as I said it's a far way off..

I am intrigued by that link though, currently most of my design work is PCBs and chips, so I dont hear too much about battery technology, but I would at least know if something like that was feasible anytime soon.

At our current rate of consumption we only have enough oil to last us 15 to 20 years maximum so this technology is dire
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
We may have one more big breakthrough with batteries but I see super capacitors and energy scavenging as having a better chance of being adopted first tbh. There was a video from Ted that talked about turning infrared (thermal) light to electricity, that would be a huge help for cell phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
the thing I've been intrigued with is memristors..

Resistors that have memory, effectively they would be able to cut a chip/boards size in half.

Really cool concept that I'm positive will be taking off shortly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Gray.Fox:
HTC + Android is the best

i will give my opinion as wp7 user (not dev)

If you care about backup and restore (SMS,MMS,App data)

then i would recommend staying away from wp7 at least for a couple of years

you can restore app but not app stored data (or games data)

sms mms . . . currently nooowaaaay

as it is stored in a holy file accessed by MS and god only

i miss my old nokia :( i can export & import backup & restore very easy wothout third party tools

navigation is not what i expected from microsoft (unless you are in USA or UK)

i have only one web browser

i cannot buy anything because my country is not yet supported

not like android or apple anyone can buy any app

if you think that you will get app's outside marketplace then you have to pay MS to unlock your phone because it is MS phone not yours

full backup and restore is a deal breaker for me

i thought basic feature is already in wp7

if i knew there is no backup and restore from MS i wouldn't buy wp7

idk what was wrong with myphone service !!

if MS integrated it then most of wm6 users will switch to wp7 more than they are switching to android now

sorry for my long reply i'm really disappointed in wp7

imho android is the best choice as OS and HTC is the best H/W

in android you will feel the freedom

you can customize, install, uninstall anything you like

i'm not saying wp7 is bad but comparing it with other OS's definitely not your best choice

FYI you cannot organize sms in categories or folders or customize anything in sms or even sorting them

it is just showing conversations only

again sorry for my long reply
[Windows Phone 7 General] chuday:
I am in the same boat almost as the OP

and I also want to input some opinions from android(currently I use Galaxy Z/R 9103) as a business user.

as a business user my focus is on multiple email accounts (varying from google apps/EAS and IMAP) as well as google calendar and dropbox. even ios5/bbos7 is inferior to Android 2.3 in those areas (except the BB hardware)

I care little for gaming or flash (not that i dont game or browse content rich websites, i just do it on PC, the way its meant to be :p ),

I have already ordered a venue pro from ebay (since on android there is NO quality portrait qwerty at all even the M Pro feels poorly built) so i'll wait now and feedback when I do have sometime with the venue pro
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
That's interesting, ill have to czek into it later.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Its not a full backup if it can't be transfered to a new phone (hardware breaks). Remember, this is why people started backing up data in the first place (harddrive failures).
[Windows Phone 7 General] gburt:
WP7 Simple OS

I am enjoying WP7.5 on Optimus E900.

My Samsung Galaxy S2 was just too big IMO

WP 7.5 seems simple to use and very responsive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtg465x:
Coming from Android, the first thing I noticed is that the official WP7 xda app sucks. The Android xda app is a lot better. Using the Fast Xda app now, which is a lot better for reading xda, but it's still missing quite a few features at this point, including replying.

Also, navigation sucks compared to Android. Going to use my $25 app giftcard to buy Navigon I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Off topic - oil / energy for phones through IR

Does that take into account the new massive amounts of oil found in venezuela?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/w...ut-americas-back-in-oil-companies-sights.html

I'm totally in favor of better battery power designs for cell phones. It would be great to never need to plug it in. But, more on a convenience issue.

They were saying we only had 10 to 20 years of oil back in the early 80s. Of course back then they predicted that acid rain was going to destroy the planet by now with all of America engulfed in smog. And Global warming was also going to help in that destruction.

And if you go back to the 70s the global cooling was going to be a major problem.

There is alot of money to be made researching alternate energy. Alternate energy is good, but people are still doing what they do because they need to make money to support their families. The government gives alot of the people's money to other people and companies to research alternative energy. The only way to get that money is to convince the world or your country's leaders that the end of oil is near and that you can come up with a solution.

I'm interested in how turning heat into electicity in the phone will work, when the phone is typically hotter than the ambiant temperature. I thought there was some thermodynamic rule against that. Thermodynamics was a long time ago for me (over 15 years ago). So, I might be thinking of something else. Do you have a link to that video?
[Windows Phone 7 General] OrangeTang:
I agree, The XDA app for WP7 really needs to be updated to at least add fast switching and quick resume.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Regarding better battery tech, how about a smartphone battery that lasts a minimum of 60 hours with all wireless on at full blast and surfing the web, playing videos and music? Sound good? It's coming in about 3 years. The breakthrough is already here, but it will take about 3 to 5 years to iron it out (establish who owns it, who gets money, who is credited...etc).

We will be able to do all the things with our smartphones we wish we could have been doing thus far and still reserve it for important phone use. And 60 hours is an extremely conservative number. A highly finessed phone like the iPhone 4, which already gets outstanding battery life, will likely see 100 hours or more. And recharging these new batteries will take roughly 10 to 20 minutes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
we'll see...

I dont think that type of technology is nearly as close as you think lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Normally you would need a heat gradient but this new method doesn't use the heat itself per say but the thermal radiation that is given off.

It still has a long way to go but with enough money...

Justin Hall-Tipping: Freeing energy from the grid
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
http://www.dailytech.com/Battery+Breakthrough+Based+on+Graphene+Charges+10x+Faster/article23288.htm
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I bet it'll take longer than that to be released..

cool technology though
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Don't know. I do know there will be all manner of in-fighting and positioning over rights, money and credit....human nature...and until that's ironed out there won't be a sign of it. They also have to contend with the battery companies and politics. Anything that may tend to ease humanity's burden too much tends to be thwarted by the powers...aka: "The Man".

And this is if the people behind the tech aren't bounced off and the tech disappearing without a trace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
exactly..

I'm an electronics engineer and I know that a huge shift will be necessary before this kind of technology is readily available
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Yep, that's the rub. If it can be made available in mass numbers, but still produce a healthy bottom line for "the PTB", then we may see it sooner rather than later. If it can't, we may not see it for quite a while.

It's kind of ironic when you think about it. We aren't asking for a battery that will last 30 years (although that would be nice in some applications). We just want the time between charges to be longer. If the battery still lost its charge capacity in two or three years I wouldn't complain, as long as I could go for a few days without needing a fresh charge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
agreed totally...

What sucks is that so many companies have such strong ties, and can really put pressure that causes this type of discovery to take much longer than it should to actually find ground (if ever).

Electric cars are a huge example. There are batteries much better than what they are using..
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Thanks.

Watched the video. Read all the comments without having it load more comments.

Not convinced that it will work on a large scale to replace the grid. Especially given the comment example for the farm in the northern hemisphere during winter.

There was some cool technology presented, but I think it is a long way off before we see any significant benefit. Like 20 years minimum.

It would have been nice if he presented the actual technology behind it. Back when I was in college before changing my major to Computer Science, I was majoring in Chemical Engineering.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natenute:
I just received this phone today brand new. I rooted and ROM(NSCollab Sprint 1.0.51) since I'm fairly familiar with the process coming from a Vibrant. I noticed that when the background is a shade of gray(like a dark scene of a movie), I can see lines and grids in the background covering the entire screen. I didn't take notice prior to flashing the ROM. Is this a known ROM issue or do I need to replace my phone?

Thanks,:confused:
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dpeeps74:
You probably need to download voodoo control app and adjust your color settings.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G running CM7/franco.Kernel
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natenute:
Unfortunately I've tried that with no luck. ill see if I can attach a picture of it.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natenute:
I suppose if you can't see the lines when you zoom into the picture, than it must be my screen.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dpeeps74:
I don't see any lines in that screenshot. It looks perfect.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G running CM7/franco.Kernel
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] polobunny:
It's the screen. I recall reading somewhere about someone else having your issue though, like a whole grid coverying the screen in a darker shade. Probably read on XDA... Use the search function and you might get lucky, because I don't remember how it ended.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Icecoldmeat:
I got the same lines, but i think its just the screen?

Sent from my Nexus S
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drleospaceman:
My nexus s has the same effect on backgrounds of that color, and the Engadget review even pointed that out:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/12/nexuss6001.jpg.

I don't think it's a quality control issue as it effects most of their AMOLED screens (I also saw it on a Focus and it's on my Cowon S9 too), more like Samsung cutting costs somehow. Just a fact of life with Samsung.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] natenute:
I guess replacing the phone wouldn't help....man I miss my vibrant screen.
[Continuum General] zbhsmith:
I installed ECO3 from imnuts and it works great, but if i install the updated 2.2.2 ECO7 Netflix will not work, am i doing something wrong. Everything else works
[Continuum General] Txwolf1980:
I've noticed that as well. I think it has something to do with the api, but I'm not sure. It worked on EC07 for a while, and the app update broke it. If you can get one that is a couple of versions older, it will work fine. I just haven't bothered to find one, since watching streaming media on a phone is kind of silly for me, when I have my computer on hand at all times.
[Continuum General] minirome:
There are a few apps on my 2.2.2 that dont work. Such as banking app, home buying app Zillow. They force close. Are you saying your netflix force closes?
[Continuum General] Txwolf1980:
No. You get an android toast message that says "we are unable to start netdlix.Please restart" and error code 136006. I haven't bilothered to call netdlix, or logcat it, since I don't watch netdlix on this thing. Since its not just me with this issue, ill play with it this week. Colby, what Ron are you on? I'm on t1231's ec07 deodexed. Personally, since it used to work on this Rom, I think an app update it broke it.

I am not a fly, i am levitation. I represent an entire generation. - Niki Minaj
[Continuum General] circa881:
I'm pretty sure an app update did break it. It worked fine for me on EC07 and then Netflix added support for Cyanogenmod in a recent update and that's when it stopped for working for me
[Continuum General] Txwolf1980:
You don't happen to remember the last version that worked, do you? I never paid attention.

I am not a fly, i am levitation. I represent an entire generation. - Niki Minaj
[Continuum General] ciscogee:
current release is 1.5.2

here's 1.4.1 from when i still had netflix and was using it. :)
[Continuum General] Txwolf1980:
I love ya man... and no, I don't want your bud light (flashback, anyone?)

EDIT: i don't love you anymore. The app worked fine, for about 3 seconds. After that, Netflix forced me to update before it would even let me sign in... and back to square one. Oh well. I didn't wanna watch anything on that tiny screen anyway. But, I'll call netflix tomorrow with the error code and see what they say. Maybe their dev team can fix it.
[Continuum General] Txwolf1980:
Ok, called netflix. That wasn't exercise in futility. She suggested I call samsung to get an update to 2.3.... Yeah.

Muddling through logcat, now. If I can decipher it, I'll see what I find. I'll also post it so that others can muddle through and see if they catch something. Anyone else having issues, I'd suggest posting one as well. Maybe we can find a common thread. It would make knowing where to hack the app a lot easier.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30171389/Netflix logcat.txt

2 things I noticed.

1. on line 134 (if you are using notepad++) it says

I/WindowManager( 2466): Device ID doesn't match window display, ignored!

2. Both times I tried to start the app, with logcat going, it seemed to trigger the ticker and weatherbug to spool up and go through their paces (location update, set wallpaper, etc.) it also seemed to cycle the bat stats.... The battery stats may be a normal process, since it's starting a high usage app. I'm not sure.
[Continuum General] ciscogee:
That sucks. :(
[Continuum General] Weudel:
It's still working on EC03...
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] Rapier07:
Hey guys I have an Indian Galaxy pop aka galaxy mini running 2.2.1 .

I wanted to flash CM7 on it so I first flashed the CWM recovery from tj_styles thread via odin .. it flashed successfully and the phone booted but now I can't get into recovery mode ...

Tried home + power, terminal emulator, qtadb .. it just gives a black screen or gets stuck on the Samsung screen...

Anyone knows what the problem is? Any help would be appreciated:)
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] roofrider:
Upgrade to GB first then flash cwm.
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] kecikhebat:
CWM only work in gingerbread..
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] djegoistic:
Yp first search how to upgrade to gb...then recovery mode..then ll b able to flash cm7 ..
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] Rapier07:
Okay ... thanks for the replies:)
[Samsung Galaxy Mini] rak_688:
I had android 2.2.2 on galaxy pop cdma.but i installed ROM manager.infact i also installed cwm.but when i clicked backup current ROM.Phone got blacked out..and doesnt start..Now the problem is how to i enter recovery mode..i tried all possible combinations ..dosent wrk :( ...plz help