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[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
I was comparing my HTC Radar 4G with my friends iPhone 4S at thanksgving dinner today.

The iPhone has no dedicated camera button. I think though you can use the volume keys to snap.

Siri is more advanced than Tellme in terms of context questions where was Tellme is more task driven (Open apps, call/text contacts)

Both support hotspot/wireless tethering

Bing has several integrated features : Voice search, OCR Vision for reading text, barcodes, or codes and book/cd covers, music search a shazam like feature and Local Scout to find interesting places nearby.

Bing Maps has free turn by turn navigation though you have to tap the screen for the next turn -_-

Built in free Office suite.

iCloud and Skydrive are comparable. Can someone detail their differences?

iOS has folders. Windows Phone as HUB which takes folders a stop further - music apps integrate nicely into zune showing now playing in the panoramic pivot. Photo apps go to Pictures hub and Games in xbox live hub. Also the homebrew community has implemented the iOS version of folders on wp7
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
With a BIG QUOTE: US only. I'm not trying to start flame, I love my mozart and I really wish MS will open their service to as many countries as possible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VKris:
Accessories

iPhone has the biggest collection of accessories and compatibility with 3rd party hardware - can control home theater AV receivers, BMW has an app which lets you unlock/ lock car and find your car in a crowded parking lot (positioning in the map).

Although many look at iPhone as a toy or media player, it has some of the best business features in today's smartphone range. possible to USB sync with Outlook, apps like Cisco mobile are used by many large corporations to reduce cost.

iPhone 4S also runs Bluetooth v4.0, which I guess will see more usage in the future. All WP7 devices today are only on v2.1.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
IPhone

Multiplayer games

In game voice chat

able to trade game items with other players

notification bar with widgets

browser has a forward button and find on page function

iTunes match

Integration with all apple products including apple tv

"cut", copy, and paste

Video mms

emoji texting and icons

Safari reader and reading list

advanced photo editing options

Unified notifications with access from the lock screen
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
This thread has made it four pages so there is no point in going off topic now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Good to know about the camera on the iPhone when locked. Adding this to similarities.

I also have verified that both support HTML 5.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ to a certain extent. Go to mobile Ebay on both devices and you'll see what I mean. When there try and swipe the bottom row and you'll see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I added most of this, with these exceptions

iTunes match (thinking this is more of differences) since apple has iTunes and Windows Phone 7 has Zune. Unless iTunes match is different than iTunes.

emoji texting and icons - (not sure what this is)

Safari reader and reading list - (not sure what this is.)

If you explain a little more about why they are advantages or what they are, I may add them. I haven't fully explored everything on my iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
no problem.

Itunes Match is like Google Music, its the new feature where it plays your music from the cloud if its not on your device.

emoji is these:

on our phones they show up as blocks.

Safari Reader and List:

Two of the many new features iOS 5 brings to you, as well as my personal favorites, are the Reader and Reading list features added to Safari.

The first of the two is Reader. Reader essentially takes an article from a Web page and removes all distractions. Distractions like ads, site navigation, address bar, etc., which really lets you focus on the content. It looks a lot like an article in PDF format.

The second feature in this how to is Reading List. Reading List is a lot like Instapaper but it’s built right into Safari for iOS5. What it does is let you take an article, webpage, or anything you want to save that you can access in the browser so that you may read it later. The webpage/article is put in a convenient list that can be synced across all of your iOS devices via iCloud.

link
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Windows phone also has multiplayer games. Pools with friends for example was way back around nodo time and allowed players to play pool against each other. Here are some others... http://www.bestwp7games.com/category/wp7-multiplayer-games

Also add every windows phone has an am/fm radio built in under zune (requires headset plugged in for radio) This is a big advantage for me when i walk my dog or in the office (as not everyone has unlimited data) since we block internet radio due to the company size and the bandwidth we need for deaf and hard of hearing video phones.

For the meeting notes... i'm talking if you didn't create the appointment. If my boss is sent a meeting to attend, she cannot change the notes on it for her own personal agenda list. on my windows phone i can. (note it only changed them on MY CALENDAR, not to the group since i didn't initiate the meeting. Now she has an Iphone 4 (not 4S) and not up to IOS 5 yet so there may be a difference.) Can you reconfirm this? (I'm the IT and i'm wondering if maybe she is doing something wrong on her iphone or it's somewhere she is not seeing... as she doesn't let me look at her meetings lol)

A lot of my comparison's are against the iphone 4 as only 2 people in my office now have the 4S and one has chosen not to hook to exchange so i haven't gotten to look it over much yet. We have 6 windows phone users and 3 androids (one is cupcake) lol and 2 are newest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I will attempt to update a note on a meeting that I did not schedule and will update this post. Thanks for the clarification.

Using my iPhone, I cannot edit notes on meetings that I did not create.

With Mango, I successfully updated the notes for the same meeting that I tried to with my iPhone. After updating, the change instantly synced to my iPhone, so I know it actually updated it on exchange and not just local to the Phone. I will be adding this to advantages of Windows Phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Thanks

I just wanted to take a moment to thank all those that have participated in this thread. I am glad to see that it has remaned clean thus far.

I appreciate all the posts.

If there are more advantages and disadvantages, please post.

If there are any inaccuracies, also please post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Iphone

Shake to next song

Landscape support in music player

Windows phone:

Zune pass

Bigger keyboard

The keyboard corrections
[Windows Phone 7 General] mariuschi:
iphone has Siri. And it's f***ing awesome!
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Yep, that's true but the reality is that most BT devices work with WP the way it should, whereas on the iPhone there are quite many incompatibilities with BT. BT was never a strength of the iPhone. Maybe it will change in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I finallly added my music to my iPhone. I see the landscape support when playing music, so I added that, but shaking did not take me to the next song. Is there a setting that needs to be done to enable it?

I see Shake to Shuffle, but isn't that different, since you can't go back to the original song.?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You're correct. No way to go back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Wanting to add more content / finding my time is limited

Anyone willing to volunteer some time to outline the People Hub, Me Hub, etc.?

Or go over what is there to see if anything has been missed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Common Daily use comparisons of iPhone and Mango

I now have my iPhone syncing all the same data as my Quantum.

So, now I will be able to see the usability differences.

I am still carrying and using both phones.

Obviously, they have different phone numbers.

I am impressed with my iPhone, but there are some things tht have started to annoy me.

Thinking about adding a post on biggest annoyances during common daily use for each device.

iPhone

Can't mark all as read and the notification does not go away by just looking at email like I can on the Quantum.

Can't stream stereo audio through A2DP to my particular car stereo. I must use the USB cable.

No easy way to identify from the email notification if the email is related to work. I leave my work email outside my linked inbox on Windows Phone 7.

No way to see an unread mail only list.

Windows Phone 7.

Needing to fully back out of apps to actually close them if you want to fully close them.

Compass is very jumpy, but perfect on the iPhone.

Of course there are definately many benefits to the iPhone.

I think if I add something like this, I may also add a favorite daily use post for both.

iPhone

Batttery lasts multiple days on a single charge synching everything and leaving WiFi on.

If you need an app, there probably is one, and it is probably Free, $0.99 or $1.99.

Windows Phone 7

The excellent integration included in the People Hub and Me Hub.

...

might add or edit this. Need to get back to work for now.

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Any thoughts on adding a section like this?

Only fear is that it becomes a phone bashing session and that is not why I want to add it. Just to show a few things that are definately better implemented. The other lists have gotten quite large and don't necessarily affect daily usage.

I might just dump the ideas in this post just because I don't want a war zone thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Just out of curiosity, how do you "mark all as read" on WP (assuming you can, since you mention that as a deficiency on iOS). I've looked everywhere, but I have never found a way to do this on my Focus, other than individually selecting messages and then using the "mark as read" menu item, which is not the same as "mark all as read".
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Well you can't mark all as read with windows phone,but you can get rid of the notification by just looking at your inbox. So when I get 10 emails to my Comcast account and 5 emails to gmail and 4 emails to my email at my domain, I can open my linked inbox and the 19 goes away. It only show new emails since you last looked. With the iPhone that requires me to actually look at each email or select each one and mark as read. I sync those accounts plus exchange at work. I get at least 30 work emails a day.

It's a lot of going through emails and accounts just to get rid of the notification.

With windows mobile there was mark all as read which was nice for accounts such as Comcast that do not store info about the read status.

It's not a huge deal but is my biggest frustration.

My wording was not quite what I meant in my last post. I should have waited until I had more time to make sure all was right before posting
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Thanks. That makes things much clearer for me. It sounds like there is a different paradigm on the WP notification number and the iOS version. One is "unacknowledged email" (meaning, email that has come in since the last time you checked your inbox), whereas the other is "unread email", requiring you to open or mark each message to remove the notice.

Which paradigm is more annoying will probably vary from person to person, based on their own expectations ;).
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
IPhone has no back button = big problem for WP, BlackBerry, & Android users.

IPhone has same old 3.5" sized screen. Small for today's options.

Sent from my Windows Phone Mango Focus using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The back button is Item #4 Under Mango advantages on Post #2. I wouldn't say it is a huge issue, since most apps provide an on screen back button. Also, from any app, just press the button and you are back to the home screen. Double tap the button and you have a task manager to kill each app. I do still think having a back button is an advantage though.

The screen size of my iPhone is identical to the screen size of my quantum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lantern20:
WP7 has these emoji

So advantage for both or neither?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
At this point, I am thinking neither, but I have never used them.

I'll need to take some time to see if there isa usability advantage first.

Looking a little more, I think iPhone has the advantage. You don't need to memorize or use a cheate sheet. You actually add it as a keyboard through settings.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4976

It displays the emoticon in the message as you type instead of the characters you would type to make it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'd probably consider it a toss up. The iOS ones have the negative of showing up as a useless box on non-iOS phones. At least the Windows Phone ones are still recognizable for the most part.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The basic ones seem to show up fine sent from the iPhone to Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] beryxil:
I wouldn't necessarily put it as an advantage for the iPhone, but I would put it as a disadvantage for WP7. My reasoning is that there are so many iPhone users that use these emoticons, as well as Android users, that when we just receive a "box" instead we are missing out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
use iphone 4s for all day with Wifi and have 70% left by the end of the day? Could be more specific? I have the Titan and would love to compare.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Thread has been pretty quiet lately. Anyone have anything that needs to be added or editted that I may have missed in a previous post?

Or anything new?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Tough decisioon time for me today

I ported my personal cell phone number with AT&T for my LG Quantum to Google Voice.

Work pays my iPhone 4S plan directly.

This will let me continue to recieve calls at my personal number on my iPhone 4S, with me still retaining ownership of the number and I'll still be able to take work calls on it with the cell number work provides.

I will now only need to carry 1 phone.

I couldn't justify paying $90 a month to have a 2nd phone. Cancelation fee was about $165. In just 2 months that cost is covered.

I will miss many things about Windows Phone 7 and will probably still tinker at home with WiFi. But my days of carrying it with me are over.

This was a very tough decision for me, because there are many things I like better about Windows Phone 7.

The port is still in progress, but Google says it should be complete within 24 hours.

It's been a fun ride.

Sad thing is I just finally activated fast resume through a registry hack which makes it so Angry Birds keeps going right from where it paused when switching apps.

Boy was this a tough decision. Guess I'll probably be spending more time at the sister site now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
It is sad that see you leaving WP for now, and wish you will be back when WP become more competitive. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Thanks.

I would not be leaving Windows Phone 7, if my company did not change the rules.

I used to expense my personal cell phone, since I also used it for work.

But, they stopped letting us do that.

Instead they bought us new iPhone 4S phones with new numbers. They pay that bill directly. I could have ported my number to them, but then they would own the number. I've had my cell phone number for 17 years.

My only option where work pays my cell phone bill is to use an iPhone that they provide.

The iPhone is not a bad phone, but I was really liking Windows Phone 7 and expecting some great things with Apollo.

Microsoft has alot invested in Windows Phone 7 and there are really just a small handful of things that need some attention.

If Apollo is pushed out to the Quantum, I probably will convert my phone to a prepaid just to play with it.

My only reasons for not using it are economics and needing to carry 2 phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
I see, same situation with me. Company gave you a phone with numbers and must stick with it (just a dumb phone from Nokia), thus I had no choice but choose to bring 2 phone, hehehe.

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A story from me:

A friend of my, lets just call him Adrew, an iPhone owner. When he saw my Mozart, and try to play with it, when I unlock the homescreen for him and he only flick up and down, then he gave me back the phone. He ask me if I only had these apps installed, then I show him the apps list. Later on,he told me that he prefer the iPhone icon grid look rather than WP Tile look because he feel like it is more unfriendly while compared with the icon grid look (and not professional).

Of course I accept his POV. what I try to say is, I think Apple success to implement the mindshare of icon grid looks = professional & user friendly. Or just maybe my friend get too used to the icon grid looks that makes him think homescreen = all apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Now using only iPhone - things I miss / things I like

Things I miss the most.

Not seeing calendar events or weather or upcoming alarm time on the home screen.

The People hub. And no way to directly go to a contact. Must launch Phone first.

No easy way to immediately close an app when done with it, like the Back button in Windows Phone 7. I seem to end up with about 10 apps running all the time and need to close each 1 individually.

I liked the large Tiles of Windows 7 because I can easily hit them with my thumb using it 1 handed. They might be bigger than they need to be. Maybe 3 columns of Tiles would be better, and to not waste the space to the right of the Tiles. iPhone is much more difficult for 1 handed use with big thumbs.

A seperate indicator for work email and my combined email and no easy way to dismiss the indicator. This should be easy enough for Apple to do. An indicator for default in one corner and combined in another.

And the Physical Keyboard. (Why can't make an iPhone with a keyboard???)

Things I am liking the most

Apps for everything and they are cheaper.

Use of Google Voice and Skype.

Able to get to all my SkyDrive stuff from my Windows Phone 7 days and add to it as well.

Push notifications are very clear about what they are with an image. Toast notifications aren't as clear to read.

Very easy to make and manage playlists on the phone.

Notification Curtain.

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Both platforms have areas that could be improved.

Best thing for me about going the iPhone route is that work pays the bill.

So, although it is frustrating to lose the things I miss, it's still better keeping $90 per month or ($1080 per year).
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
I hope you don't mind this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20533853&postcount=14 ;)

Also hopefully with $1080 saved, next year you will be able to buy the dual core Apollo flagship device :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] geekladyemjay:
Wp7 vs iPhone backup

What about the fact that you can't backup Windows 7 phone completely. This was my straw that broke the camels back. It only does full backup for updates. If you have to swap your phone out Zune backs up tha names of the apps but you have to reinstall them all. I know that methods have been developed but there is no plug and backup method. I was hardcore windows but now that I have the iPhone 4s I am much happier. Windows just feels undone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I have added this to iPhone Advantages:

22. Automatic full system backup for updates.

Not sure what you mean by "Windows just feels undone." In any case that is not a constructive or descriptive comment and has no business being in this thread.

This thread is not about bashing either platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] geekladyemjay:
I was not bashing just my opinion on the feel of it. Goodness.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Virtually every comparison thread deteriorates into subjective opinions which eventually turn ugly leading to thread closures by the moderators.

They all start with something small and then things escalate.

Better to nip it in the bud before anything develops.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
:D

Someone presenting their opinions as just that is one thing, but you are right that it doesn't take long at all for things to degenerate. Honestly though, I think this is probably the most civil and on topic comparison threads I've ever seen.

But back on topic... +1 for not having to deal with itunes, I've found that iTunes and QuickTime will cause lots of issues on Windows machines and actually cause PCs to become unstable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I'm not sure if that is as true today as years past regarding iTunes and QuickTime.

I currently have both an LG Quantum and an iPhone 4S syncing to the same computer. So, I am running Zune and iTunes on the same computer. I've had no issues with it.

Zune is easier to manage what directories of songs get syncronized in comparison. Especially if you want to stop syncing a folder.

Both have quirks though, so I don't know if I will add it as an advantage or disadvantage to either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Am I wrong to understand that zune does a back up restore point for each windows phone before you update it? Isn't that automatic system back up? Ok, it's not full i.e. you can't back up games data and sms, but the rest you can - restore via different routes. Does iPhone do something like single click restore or so? :s not sure!
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Yeah, you could be right. It's probably worth mentioning that my last experience with it was on XP and was nearly two years ago now. Even Microsoft's own updates started to make that OS more unstable after awhile
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
True, much is backed up in Zune, but not everything and it is not as visible.

Everything you install on the iPhone through the app store is automatically backed up to iTunes. This is even if you install it from the iPhone. You can even see the apps when no phone is connected.

Zune only backs everything up when an update is available, not everytime you connect your phone.

Windows Phone 7 will automatically reinstall everything if you need a replacement phone though.

I might need to think over the details of this.

Maybe I should dedicate one of the unused early posts to iTunes vs Zune differences / advantages / disadvantages.

There is alot I am still learning with the iPhone.

I'd love some entirely fact based help with the details. Especially from people that have used both.

Post 8 has been updated to provide a comparison. It is by no means complete. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19652109&postcount=8
[Windows Phone 7 General] </travis>:
Windows Phone supports emoji icons as well, though they arent colored.

Available for Windows Phone 7, but not on iPhone

- Metrotube

- Xbox Companion
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I thought wp7 didn't like icons ?

Metrotube isn't needed on any platform other than wp7...

Xbox companion isn't needed on ios, there's an app for that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
@jvh3 are you sure WinPhone restores everything? How? As I've switched phones, hard reset, and flashed custom roms. None have ever restored anything. I have to go into the market press the "buy" button, it will then say "oops its looks like you've already purchased this item. Would you like to reinstall it?".
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
WP7 does not restore every app after a hard reset or phone replacement. The Zune desktop software will restore some of the apps that were purchased through it, but even then it doesn't restore all of them. I don't know what the exact threshold is, but there is a definite limit (either time-based, count-based, or both) on the apps it will automatically restore.

Also, apps that were purchased via the phone itself are not automatically restored, and although I haven't needed to try this yet, I would bet that apps purchased via the web-based marketplace are also not automatically restored.