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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The fault does not matter to the end user.

I understand that the problem is that Windows does not properly support the rotational information in EXIF metadata. The reason it is a Mango advantage is that your photos will look correct in Preview and all apps on a PC today, but will not from an iPhone. I did alot of reading on this last night.

The fault does not matter to the end user.

The fact that Microsoft is to blame is not the issue from a user's perspective. I agree that Microsoft is to blame. But, the pictures in photostream all display incorrectly for me unless of course the camera is held in one orientation. So, by taking pictures with an iPhone, I must adjust all my pictures or use other software.

There are lossless ways to adjust this. It would be great if the PC photo stream portion of the software would automatically do this or give the option to do so, since it is putting the photo onto a Windows machine.

All the browsers aside from Safari render them incorrectly as well. Normally this is not an issue, since images displayed in webpages should not be the full resolution. When scaling and further compressing orientation can be adjusted.

It should not be a hard thing for Apple to provide the option since in the end I was able to find a lossless rotate app that fixes entire directories and subdirectories at a time. JPEG-EXIF_autorotate_1-2.exe

Microsoft and Mozilla have taken stands to not correct this. The reasons are lame involving double rotation if pics were rotated with older software.

But the fact remains that Windows does not properly handle the EXIF rotation information, and Apple can rotate it without loss when PhotoStream puts the pics on the PC or during a USB Sync.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I'll reword the sentence. The grammer was abiguous.

Windows does not properly support the rotational information in the EXIF information on jpegs. It does actually support EXIF, just not the rotational information when rendering.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Then tell Microsoft to fix it. A simple bug report would suffice. I noticed the orientation issue from taking pictures with my iTouch, though. I just fix them in Picasa or WLPG and move on. Not a huge deal to me, personally, but may be for some (like those that upload directly to websites from the iOS device).
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Even given your explanation, I still strongly disagree that is is, in any way, an advantage for WP7. The rotational metadata in EXIF is there for a reason, namely to eliminate the unnecessary in-camera step of rotating the image. Any intelligent software should be capable of rotating an EXIF-compliant image to the proper orientation at the moment it is displayed or opened for editing.

Further, I would add as evidence the fact that most digital cameras, even high end DSLRs, do not perform this unnecessary step, but simply apply the EXIF data to the images they store. I own several Canon cameras, and that is the behavior that they all follow. The useless Windows picture viewer displays them incorrectly, but as I mentioned before, better quality programs such as Picasa and Photoshop have no trouble with them.

My opinion is unchanged. This is not and advantage for WP7, but rather an exposed flaw in Windows itself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I have reworded as:

26. (For Windows users only) Pictures taken on a Mango phone display properly on Windows computer's default programs. Windows 7, Vista, and anything earlier do not properly support the rotational information in the EXIF information on jpegs. It does actually support EXIF, just not the rotational information when rendering. iPhone uses EXIF to set the rotation. Also, no web browser other than Safari supports EXIF for orientation. Although the fault lies with Microsoft for viewing in the OS, the result is extra work to make the pictures taken from an iPhone display with correct orientation on Windows machines. Other programs can be used to view the pictures and there are lossless ways to rotate them. Nonetheless, it is still additional work to view them on Windows computers. Less work for those you share with is an advantage.

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Interesting thing is when you edit the picture on the iPhone and use AutoEnhance. Then save. It makes the picture viewable in the correct orientation on Windows computers. Unfortunately, this does alter the picture.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
iPhone advantage

I realized that this was not on here. It is actually the number 1 reason that I am exclusively carrying my iPhone and only using my LG QUantum to play with on WiFi at home.

28. Ability to place Google Voice calls. (Although this is through an app, no such app exists for Windows Phone 7 that I am aware of.) This made it possible for me to port my personal number to Google Voice and use only my iPhone that work pays for. And with Talkatone, there is free WiFi Google Voice dialing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That seems much more "fair" and reasonable. Thanks for clarifying.

The autoenhance behavior doesn't surprise me. The main point of using the EXIF metadata instead of rotating the pictures at the time they are taken is to conserve time and energy (battery). For example, on a DSLR camera, it could mean the difference between taking 3 shots per second versus 5 or 6 shots per second. But once you open the image to enhance it, then it is more logical to rotate it to the appropriate orientation when saving it. It is the same basic behavior of Photoshop on a PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
GoVoice

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/bb4b335c-844a-e011-854c-00237de2db9e

GoVoice now fully supports mango in addition to push notifications available to free users on a trial basis.

Get push notifications for Google Voice text and voicemail directly on your Windows Phone!

Get support at: http://blog.taotaotech.com. Follow @GoVoiceApp for latest updates.

GoVoice is an application for Google Voice that allows you to make cheap long distance calls, receive and send SMS messages and access your transcribed Voicemail messages. The simplicity of the design will orient you in the tasks you need done rather than slowing you down.

Application requires a valid Google Voice account. Go to http://voice.google.com to apply for a free account.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Moving this to similarities.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Stickied :)

Great job on this and thank you for taking the time to put it together.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Added a Mango advantage

27. Ability to use full website without being redirected to a mobile version. On the iPhone, some sites redirect you to the mobile version. And there is not a way to use the full version unless the site provides a link to it. Not all sites provide this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
I forgot about the mobile version override in windows phone. I use it daily. for an iphone you have to load the mobile version and click there link to load the full if it is included on the site. This would make browsing for full sites slower on the iphone when a site has a mobile override. I prefer facebook, cnn and foxnews as full sites and they load quick enough in windows phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] askpcguy:
Thanks to the xda app I saw this thread. And yes I can read the title. I wanted to mention the mobile device web browser should allow a User Agent mode. Meaning I can switch it to emulate Desktop and the web site will behave as if I were browsing it on a desktop. Third party browsers typically do this better than included browsers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
If you can show the steps in Safari on an iPhone to do this, then I will remove it from the Mango advantage. As of now, I cannot find a way, without using a link provided by some sites to go to the full site.

But, for some sites, they do not provide a link. And trying to get around it just redirects you to the mobile version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] askpcguy:
Couldn't tell you mate. I've got an Android running a custom rom, rooted and added sprinkles. EBay is terrible with mobile browsing. Makes using the site tricky.

However, mobile sites load faster since there is less data.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
This thread is strictly about iPhone 4S and Mango. It is not about Android. If you have nothing to offer for details of the iPhone 4S or Mango, then you should not be posting in this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Thre are no steps. There are links on *most* sights to revert to the full version. There is almost no benefit for most people to view full websites on a 3.5-4.3" screen, especially at higher pixel densities. Text becomes too small, forcing you to zoom in, which completely defeats the purpose.

On Android with Flash Support that makes a bit more sense. On iOS and WP7 I haven't seen a need for it.

WP7 needs that option only because it uses Trident Rendering engine and many WebKit-Optimized Mobile Sites do not render properly in the IE9 mobile browser.

So I'd say Safari Mobile is a huge advantage for the iPhone 4S at this point. It's basically guaranteed to work with almost any site unless it's built in Flash (which WP7 also does not support), while WP7 devices have tons of issues with sights as prominent as touch.facebook.com
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
If you have a 4.7 inch screen like my titan, Facebook full version is way better then mobile apps or the touch version. As a matter of fact, so is cnn and pretty much any other. I would rather see all the titles with pictures then scroll forever on the mobile versions. Actually i always switched my surround that way and it didn't have a 4.7 inch screen. Maybe viewing it in landscape may improve your thoughts.

as for touch facebook, even my wife's kindle "touch" has issues with that version of facebook, so it's not a good example. m.facebook.com works fine for me. so does cnn and fox news mobile versions. I just prefer not to use them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The fact that there are no steps is the issue.

touch.facebook.com seems to work pretty well on my LG Quantum when the settings are set to render the mobile version, which is just 2 taps and a refresh away.

WebKit vs Trident, it doesn't matter. It is the responsibility of website developers to test their sites with multiple browsers. This is especially true when dealing with HTML5 and CSS3 which are not officially standardized and no browser handles all aspects of the current state of the standard perfectly. In any case this was already discussed in another thread and is not the purpose of this thread. In that thread, I analyzed the content and saw that the actual content was incorrect and Safari was correcting for it. If you would like to start a discussion on it, feel free to start a thread.

Here's a link to that post: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20665089&postcount=370

And where xHausx also quoted it: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=20673472&postcount=377

The reason for this being an advantage to Windows Phone 7 is that the user gets to pick which version of the site. With the iPhone, the user is only given the option if the website developers decide to give it.

Below was pointed out to me by a friend of mine that is a little too obsessed with videos not appropriate for the workplace or discussion here. There are actually sites that are free in the full browser version, but when browsed by Safari on the iPhone you are redirected to a different site that costs money. For testing purposes only, I verified that the videos do play when browsed with Windows Phone 7. There is not a way to play them in Safari on the iPhone.

I am willing to add this an iPhone advantage: Safari on the iPhone 4S renders some mobile sites with slightly incorrect HTML or CSS better for the user where some mobile sites are not usable in the mobile version by Windows Phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
+10000000

Its a ton of mobile sites.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I am actually surprised that it wasn't brought up sooner. I thought I already had it in the list when I was writing my response. I was originally going to just put the advantage number in the post, but when I looked I saw it wasn't there.

Figure that it is only fair. If it is an advantage for Mango to not encode orientation using EXIF because not all platforms render the images properly, then it is also an advantage for the iPhone to render sites better despite the incorrect HTML / CSS.

Regardless of prefereneces of full site or mobile site, the iPhone does render some or alot of mobile sites better. I actually don't do a ton of browsing on my phone. I sit in front of a computer all day at work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xhirschix:
i like them both, but in my opinion, wp mango looks more elegant and it's easier to use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Great update. I would add/change just a few things:

3rd party apps on iOS can schedule reminders (not sure about alarms, though). I have a medicine app that does this.

The task switcher on iOS offers the ability to purge suspended and/or background running apps from memory without bringing the app to the foreground. WP7 lacks this ability today.

The task switcher on WP7 only shows the current and 5 most recently suspended apps. When an app is removed from the list it is terminated and must be reloaded from scratch. On iOS, the switcher shows all apps that have been opened, apparently even if an app has exceeded it "suspend timeout" and has been terminated, and most apps in the switcher can be quickly restored to their pre-suspend state without having to completely restart. However, this means that the iOS app switcher can become crowded, and it can take some work to clear it out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Adding them all.

Also, on the iPhone, more than 1 app can be terminated at the same time using multitouch. I have big fingers, so I can usually only kill 2 at a time.

In the process of editting the post
[Windows Phone 7 General] hexcorev2:
In my opinion all the iPhones really has over Mango is app availability other than that they are both on equal ground.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Although that is your opinion, that is not what this thread is about.

This thread is about identifying specific advantages / disadvantages / differences / similarities between the two. Specific being the key.

General statements such as this serve no purpose and only clutter the thread. There are 11000+ views of this thread. If everyone posted something like this, the thread would quickly lose value and no longer be maintainable by me. I would be forced to close it or not maintain it.

I welcome and encourage posts that identify specific advantages / disadvantages / differences / similarities between the two platforms. Of course the first 10 posts should always be checked first to see if they have already been identified.

I am adding this to post number 1 so it is more clear to others coming to the thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
what about the App prices? I heard that the Microsoft Marketplace is much more expensive when compared with Android and Apple AppStore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
See Post #3, item number 3. And this thread is not about Android. Please Read Post #1.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
uh? where?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
You really can't find item 3 on post #3 which is titled iPhone Advantages

Post #3 in this thread

Or are you questioning the Android reference.

Post #1 in this thread
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
In the forum, there are rules which exist for very good reasons:

Forum Rules

As, you can clearly see in post #1, this thread is not about Android.

Whether anyone disagrees with the subject of this thread or not, the subject of the thread is what it is. Discussions outside the subject are off-topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
A Windows Phone 7 advantage - User Groups.

User Groups.

In contacts, you can create groups of users. Groups can be pinned to the home screen which gives quick access to the members of the groups. You can send an email or text message the group in 1 step.

Example groups: Friends, Family, Coworkers, Softball Team, etc.

The pinned group tile will change its picture between the various members of the group.

And the What's new tab for the group is limited to updates from only the members of the group, so you don't have the clutter of the people tab which shows the updates of all of your contacts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FinancialWar:
pretty hard to keep as OS that now has 52% of the market off topic.

It like trying not to mention Windows when talking about Mac and linux.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
There are other threads for Android comparisons and discussions.

There was a post by N8ter before my post of the link to the forum rules quoting post #15 that was removed because it was about Android and nothing to do with the topic of thread. Just a deliberate attempt to hyjack the thread.

Threads aren't chat rooms. They have subjects. This serves the purpose of keeping information organized in a usable way.

If you want to discuss Android, find or create a thread pertaining to the aspects of Android that you want to discuss.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Mango does this also. I have an app called Prime TV. Although it doesn't show it on my calendar, it triggers the reminder built into mango to post a reminder 1 hour before the show which i can snooze or dismiss. I also have a cooking timer which acts the same way. not sure if it was added as an iphone only feature but 3rd party apps in mango can remind you even it they are not in the background or open.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I know. That's why I proposed a revision. JVH3 had listed it as an advantage of Mango, but after my post he moved it to the similarities category. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hemlocke:
I own a Samsung Focus, a Nexus S, and until recently, an SGSII (i777) and an iPhone 4 and 4s. The Focus is my daily driver, now, but:

You can't really list similarities in apps between the iPhone 4s and ANY WP7. Discounting that there are, as you pointed out, tons more cheap and better apps for iOS, it always comes back to one thing for me: There isn't a single WP7 app that couldn't be ported to iOS and run on the 4s, whereas there are too many to list iOS apps that would not run well on the Focus S/Titan/Lumia 800.

This, to me, is the biggest problem with WP7. Is it a smooth, slick UI? Yes. Out of the box it is nice, and with some tweaking, very cool. But just because it runs smooth and works fine now on a two-generations-old single-core processor with a matching weak GPU, that doesn't mean there aren't HUGE technology barriers for WP7. I saw the results of the #smokedbywindowsphone challenge, and the easiest way to just trounce Ben would have been to suggest doing any of those tasks with 4-5 apps open in the background. THAT is where I miss my dual-core processor with best-in-class GPU. MSFT needs to stop waiting for Nokia to get up to speed and either create tiers of WP7, or just force OEMs to move to current hardware. I am waiting for March for the 900, but that phone will have to be outstanding to compete with Krait S4/Tegra 3/Exynos 5250/A6 with PowerVR Series 6 toting machines. Give me the beauty of the Lumia combined with the horsepower of a leading Apple/Android smartphone, and they will have another convert.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
From your post I am struggling to come up with something constructive, factual, and not merely opinion based to take from it that pertains to the subject of this thread.

It has become clear that many OPs and posters in the Windows Phone 7 General sections do not understand the concept of a thread subject.

This thread has a specific purpose. It is not a sales pitch for one OS or the other. In fact I use an iPhone 4S as my primary device and only use my LG Quantum on WiFi at home. This thread is specific only to Mango and the iPhone 4S. This thread is not about the smoked by windows phone. There is a thread for that. This thread is not about what Windows Phone 7 needs to do to get market share. There are threads for that.

In the end, I read and reread your post several times and found nothing that can be used that pertains to the subject of this thread.

Please appropriately post in threads of the subjects you wish to discuss or create threads for subjects you wish to discuss that do not already have threads.

And please, when posting in this thread, stay on topic.

Thread temporarily closed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I just found a couple of iPhone features that are pretty nice.

First, you can create custom distinctive vibrate patterns, and then assign them to different events (including ringtones for contacts) for use when the phone is on vibrate-only mode. This allows you to "sense" the type of event that is occurring without necessarily having to look at your phone.

Second, there is a "triple press" feature on the home button that can be configured for a number of different accessibility options, including voice over, zoom, high contrast, and assistive touch (I won't try to describe that last feature in depth here but there are numerous links on Google about it).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Interesting as i work as a network admin for a place for people with disabilities and no one has ever mentioned them. Can you confirm? Is high contrast the same as the "light" theme in windows phone which really reminds me of it.

Also my HTC Titan has hearing aids support which increases in call volume and ease of access for TTY / TDD. not much else though, although the screen is so big i don't think i would need to zoom.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hemlocke:
I know there are far more accessibility features for those with impaired sight, as that was the main reason on of my buddies left Android for iOS (I switched from iOS to Android at the same time). I cannot speak to the hearing impaired accessibility features with any knowledge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
How about app indexing by alphabets?

I know there is a dedicated search page on extreme left on iOS which is just one swipe away, but then so is dedicated search button on WP app list. However jumping straight away to an app called 'Zoo poops' is 2 taps on WP? Advantage? Unless something similar exists on iPhone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] asribar:
One thing that WP7.5 lacks is proper multitasking... It's needed for apps like Viber and WhatsApp to function properly
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Live Agent did the job, but not perfectly.

They just want to save the juice of the battery so the phone can last longer...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I'll be adding this if it isn't already there. With my iPhone trying to find an app in the zoo of icons can be difficult. I could organize it better myself, but even then I would need to remember. Just yesterday, i was trying to find Shazam while driving. Using the search is not easy or finger friendly when driving. But the alphabetical list with letter indexing on Mango is very fast and easy.

WP7 advantage: Alphebitical list of all apps with jump to letter makes finding apps very fast and easy.