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[About XDA developers] KidCarter93:
@wbaw - While the user points system would be a massive change to how things are run at the moment, I can't help feeling that mf2112 is completely right when he says that it'll become just like the thanks button.

In an ideal world, it would be a great idea and would work perfectly well. But in amongst the realms of the internet, a lot of people will simply do all they can just so they can post something wherever they'd like to.

@Ponsel - Even though this rating system can be a great idea and will probably be put into action at some point, I can't help feeling that this system will be exploited aswell.

I say this because quite a few times, in my short time here, I've seen moments when there's been a casual discussion going on with 6/7 people and everything's going great. Then all of a sudden, one states their opinion and none of the others agree with it or like it, so they all gang up on the individual.

In this instance, the 'gang' could quite easily vote all the individuals comments down, thus resulting in him/her being penalized.

Obviously the situation would be able to be rectified in the end, but until a mod has been able to view the whole situation, the individual would still have to be without certain posting rights, which wouldn't be fair.

^^^I really love this bit because as you mention, people will have to take care of what they post, even if they have thousands of posts. Also, I really do think it would improve the forum quality aswell. Only time will tell as to whether it with get implemented or not and whether it would even be effective, but I do like the idea so far.
[About XDA developers] Ponsel:
I just could not resist to show how easy it is to exploit the "noob counter" system. You just need to start a discussion and keep trolling.

But here's the non trolling reply:

I know, that my idea is not without any fault. But I think that this problem can be solved by a good threshold. I think its to early to go into details, but to support my idea and to encourage everyone to participate in this discussion (I can't fight the feeling that I'm just trolling again ^^) I'll now suggest one possible solution how to solve this problem.

I think the threshold should work in two steps:

Step 1. As long as there are no more than 5 ratings the post is visible.

Step 2. As long as there are 10% or more positive votes the post should still be visible.

These numbers have materialized out of thin air in front of my inner eye and I'd be glad if some "number cruncher" could calculate better ones. But first let me explain why I've chosen this particular ones.

First of all I'd like to state that I'd rather let a bad post stay visible then losing a good idea. So I would be very careful when filtering them out. By the method that I've suggested, a post would be as visible as long as not at least 6 persons have rated against it. And even then a single positive vote can keep the post above the threshold until there are 10 negative votes against it.

Normal posts will get voted very seldom (just because they don't polarize as much).

Posts that polarize will get some positive and some negative votes and stay above the threshold.

I figure that bad posts are so obvious bad that barely anyone will ever vote them positive (well ... the poster should not be allowed to rate his own post ^^).

The rating system for the account itself must work somehow different. I've no Idea how it should work, but I think that the lowest 5-15% of the "most unpopular" accounts should be restricted on non development forums (these numbers are out of thin air as well ^^).

Well in this point I'm not sooo optimistic because normal posts rarely get a rating at all. Giving those assumption someone with a lot of posts might stay above the threshold. It might be advisable to take only the posts with a rating into account, but I'm not sure.

I hope my remarks support my Idea of a rating system for posts ^^

Cheers

Ponsel
[About XDA developers] orangezx10r:
only issue i have is i am very experience in flashing roms just new to this site and i have a couple very specific questions about ombg nand and i could not ask. which is my main reason for signing up. there is a ton of great info here but i was having a specific issue with the rom on my rhod400 and i hope to get a answer in general since i couldnt ask directly in that thread.
[About XDA developers] arrrghhh:
As others have stated, you should make some helpful posts around the forums. If you say you're sharp at flashing, I'm sure there's a ton of questions you can answer around the forums.

The TP2 is a strange device, in that it runs both Android and WinMo. We really need an "Android General" section for the TP2, which I have tried many times to get...

So unfortunately there's not a whole lot you can do. Just don't go spamming forums with worthless drivel... that will certainly get you unwanted attention.
[About XDA developers] bitpushr:
This is the kind of thing we think about a lot. We actually do have a "points" system in beta on some forums but there are a lot of issues that come into play when you start showing/hiding threads based on points. What if a group gets together and starts voting competing projects down in collective voting blocks?

Right now we simply ask that in order to post in certain sections, that you help others out first. It may not be the ideal solution but it is working for the community at the moment.

Anyway, rest assured we continually evaluate the best way to balance user interaction vs limiting the cruft. :cowboy:
[About XDA developers] Ponsel:
I'm not quite sure how to answer this. I'll try it anyway ;)

My suggestion is for single posts, not for threads. Probably its a good idea to disable the the voting for the initial post of a thread.

It's all about visibility. I don't want to delete the post, just minimize it within the thread.

I'd like to mention the REALLY low threshold. 10% means that every 10 negative votes can be countered by one single positive vote.

If there is a project that figures that there is a competitor the competitor itself must have accumulated enough interest to be recognized as such one. That means that there is a fan base to keep it above the threshold mentioned in point 3.

Last but not least. It might sound harsh, but if a Project can not build up as many fans as needed to defend itself, then probably this project might be not worth working on it (just a thought).

Cheers

Ponsel
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
We can mention who all have voted up/down on every post (through some expandable option, ofcourse)..

This way, group behaviour can be identified, and accordingly dealt with, by the mods...
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Sorry but an app that is genuinely useful but may only have a handful of responses is just as, if not more valuable to a site like this than some annoying fart/wallpaper application which may have hundreds.

Quantity of responses/thanks clicks is no gauge for quality.

This is a difficult issue to approach and I don't really have an answer for you but my personal feeling has always been that the post count limit should be raised.

Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
[About XDA developers] Prawesome:
You,sir,are amazing... LOL... Anyway,i also agree that the post count limit should be increased rather than decreased..
[About XDA developers] Ponsel:
See point 4 on my list. A project as small as you seems to have in mind, would never collect enough attention to be recognized as a competitor. it's just to small.

Neither is a "noob counter". ;)

Following your argumentation that even small projects might contribute to the developer community, I'd like to express the thought, that even the first post of a completely new account could include the spark of genius that is needed to solve a problem for which even recognized developers could provide a solution since years. One should not use different standards to similar problems. :angel::laugh:

Quality of a post is not only based on its contents, but on the manners of the poster as well. The phrase quoted would have made me hesitating to give a positive vote (neither would I rate it down, because your arguments help to figure out the pro and cons of my suggestion and we urgently need to discuss the boundaries of a new idea before doing a field test).

Cheers

Ponsel
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
Responded to your points in red. :)
[About XDA developers] vitaliyt:
Here is my take on the 10-post "issue". I signed up for the forum a few days ago to hopefully get an answer regarding the win mobile phones and Ive searched for an answer and could not find one. I'm not a windows phone user so I dont have a lot of knowledge about the devices so Im not the best person to help (hence lowering my post count). So I have to reply with posts like this to be able to post a real question in the category I really want to post it in. I've asked the question in the Q&A section but because its flooded with everyone's questions I dont think people actually go there to help assist anyone (my short observation).
[About XDA developers] conantroutman:
The development section is not the place for questions. I can assure that posting a question there will get you a response, however it won't be the one you want.
[About XDA developers] vitaliyt:
So here is my partial proposed solution to the issue. Upon signup, perhaps the users need to go through a rotating question system (10 questions?) and another captcha? This may take the user longer to sign up and be able to post but maybe there wont be so many abandoned user accounts, not sure if you have current viability on this or not.
[About XDA developers] a.cid:
Abandoned accounts is not the problem...

The problem is that people think that the dev area is for newb questions...it isn't...

Hence, the initial limitation posed to all, so that they atleast try and understand what this site is about...

"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sciurius:
On the left of the 10.1IT, there's the camera.

What it the light grey spot right above it? The Archos docs do show it but don't explain it.
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FrEcP:
You recognized it right...

It's a gey spot ;)

I think its a default camera covering - with space for a light/ambient-sensor but archos didn't include one in the device...

anyway im not sure as it also sound weired as they build their "own case" but use a default camera cover!!?? - but they obviously did - and not included the camera window right into the case.

But it's the best answer i can give - can't remember anything beneath while had it disasembled... - perhaps someone else (scholbert?) can ... ;)
[Gen8, Gen9, Gen10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sciurius:
Actually, my first thought was that this would be a nice place for a flash, or IR. But you've seen there's nothing behind it... Strange.
[Off-topic] drewtang:
Ok, so I've been reading quite a bit what's been going on in out little section of XDA lately(what can I say, I have a lot of free time), ad I have to say I'm a bit shocked. The bickering, flaming and general trash talking seems to be getting out of control. Now I've only been on here for about a year now, but the vibe on the T-mo GSII is not what I'd expect from XDA. The spirit of the community seems to have changed. So here's a suggestion; if you have beef with someone, take it to a PM, no one needs to see that you're pissed off about whatever you're pissed about. There has been way too much childish behavior floating around here for a forum about development and furthering the capabilities/software of our phones. So that being said, flame away lol /endrant
[Off-topic] calpencil:
Thank you for saying it.
[Off-topic] Boswell20:
Well said

Sent from my Hercu-X!!
[Off-topic] cbutters:
I completely agree, I have seen a lot of what is posted, and I choose to never comment or reply to it so as not to be a participant. But I see it, mostly ego driven irrelevant garbage that should be handled via pm as you are saying.
[Off-topic] mongo41:
Amen brothers!!!! Its time to put differecnes aside and get back to doing what we love to do. Xda was and still can be a great thing if we can keep attitudes and childish behavior in check.
[Off-topic] hazard99:
The mess has gotta seriously crazy. Everyone always fighting. This makes me sad. Words can not describe my sadness. Looks like its vibrant forums all over again
[Off-topic] InGeNeTiCs:
Can someone make me a mod so I can just go through and delete all these threads?? I'm so sick of people *****ing and moaning about stupid stuff. Not to mention all the poor grammar. Language barrier aside, there needs to be some serious spellcheck usage going on in here. Half the posts aren't so poorly written they don't make sense.

So here's my offer: if xda makes me a mod, I will, without bias, actively remove garbage posts and ridiculousness from these forums. Seriously.
[Off-topic] quest4fire:
Bunch of immature kids stinking up our forums.
[Off-topic] KillaHurtz:
It's honestly just the age of the users showing. There's a ton of n00bs and kids running around ready to gun for someone else's fight. Stick to what you know and never blindly follow someone just cause they are 'devin'.
[Off-topic] sparky79:
I think that maybe you should proof read your messages before you send them. "Half the posts aren't so poorly written they don't make sense." That doesnt make sense. ;)
[Off-topic] sarni84:
Yea guys i just want to say that if any of u seen what hapoened in revolutions rom thread i just wanted to say that i am sorry for my actions. I was trying to stick up for the little kid. and this kid not going to put name out there came at me and got my family involved for no apparent reason. It kind of set me off after that but i just wanted to say again i am sorry for what happened in the thread. I like the community we have and we dont need **** like that

mike
[Off-topic] fbiabani:
+1

Totally agree boss.. I didn't notice this thread and started one of similar types.. but yeah, right there with you..
[Off-topic] KillaHurtz:
S'all good brotherman, there is a lot of anger being guided by n00bs and kids. I personally was 'jumped' in melvins thread for asking him to remove |FASTEST EVER| BUG FREE | EPIC| from his rom title. I called out an obvious fallacy and was practically tortured, having even my own facebook brought up. The level of respect people are willing to trade for 'updates' is unfathomable. I had predicted this weeks ago after that little war started and had mentioned all the kanging, begging for donations, flaming of users. Those are not things this community wants, or needs from a dev. If you support that, or think it was wrong you are part of the problem. n00bs are thanking 100x + for a rom that has never been stable or even original, all the roms he claimed to make are just ports of old half done projects with stuff kanged from the real devs at whatever device forum he weaseled his way into.

Be aware XDA, stop giving support to people that steal, beg & flame or the community will surely parish.
[Off-topic] princeasi:
There are so many people joining this community that hasn't the slightest idea of what they're joining. They get a cool phone, someone tells them "hey you should hack that, goto xda, you can hack anything over there!" They join and realize that you just can't plug and hack. We're getting newbies that rather not lurk and learn the language, rules, and customs of this community. You have people here who pushes the devs as if they owe something to us. You have people on here who don't have a basic understanding of technology, yet they continue post misleading information. This forum has become a haven for people to complain rather than problem solving, and most of it is coming from new people who don't understand what this forum is really suppose be!

I'm just sayin!
[Off-topic] Krooked22:
This happens because it is an American Forum, full of kids and brats and people who don't want to read. this **** didn't fly on the international version forum
[Off-topic] wondercoolguy:
Such a great forum but sadly as long as there is kids there will be flaming and stupidity. It is why I stopped playing World of Warcraft, or any other game that involves the public. Ppl get behind a keyboard and become "Keyboard Warriors" they know they can say anything to anyone with out danger of physical harm regardless of how vile it is. When we all know 95% of everyone said on the internet wouldn't be said face to face ...... XDA should be about helping noobs and not flaming them because at one point some one helped us out of Noob status.
[Off-topic] KillaHurtz:
Not true .
[Off-topic] drewtang:
That was ultimately how I found XDA, I think the difference now, is how people are approaching this forum. When I started (first phone I rooted was a mytouch 3g slide) I read, read, and then re-read just to make sure. I never expected anything of anyone, asked questions, respectfully, mind you, only when I got stuck AFTER rereading the op. Whoever said it earlier I think hit the nail on the head, I think it has a lot to do with the age group of people who have been joining lately. Part of that ultimately makes be happy. Someone who starts tinkering(the right way) at the age of 16 will probably bring us big things in the future. The downside is you have kids, who are ultimately going to act their age. Now that is certainly not the case 100% of the time.
[Off-topic] josemedina1983:
I really don't bother with the negatives comments I blame tech sites and companies fighting about specs and numbers. most people here are phone/tech geeks so they are going to argue what phone/OS is better rather than arguing who's better Tupac or Biggie. I came here for one reason to MOD my phone and share experiences not to point fingers if you have a windows mobile or a low end android or to argue who got the hottest phone and specs. So I hope XDA continues to be a community to help each other rather than bashing the other phones choice.
[Off-topic] Krooked22:
Actually, if you look at the international board. It is actually productive and not littered with ignorance and children

The international community makes this one look pathetic, In terms of productivity and helpfulness

this board is littered with name calling , junk posts, and people who don't read. Resulting in a very unproductive and not helpful environment

The international makes this place look like a joke

........I know the problem is not the majority of users though so hopefully things get better
[Off-topic] jessejames111981:
what does this have to do with the Galaxy SII T989? why is this thread here? can't the mods get rid of threads in phone sections that don't apply to the phones?
[Off-topic] KillaHurtz:
Maybe you need to read the rules again, this is posted in the general section as it should be.
[Off-topic] no6969el:
Yes it pisses me off that people do stuff like this because melvins Rom to me was the best. i don't care about the politics of the roms but what i do care about is build quality, speed, performance and stability. All of those previous components could be found on melvins Rom. i tried every other Rom multiple times through multiple versions, each time melvins Rom came out the best.

i have two galaxy s 2 in my household and both have melvins beast 3.0. To find out that peoples complaining has halted development really sucks and should really have some new rules set to prevent any future mishaps.
[Off-topic] KillaHurtz:
Maybe you should also research a bit more before posting. He was stealing other people's work, flaming memebers, asking for donations. I'm upset it didn't happen earlier, before he got everyone's hopes up for nothing (myself excluded) If you really followed his work you would also notice his work came out magically the day after the other team made a breakthrough.......

I, to be honest, do not see what anyone was saying about crazy performance with his rom anyways. I got identical/better quads, battery life, and speednet on stock rom. I tried BeastMod and always went back to stock because something was broken in his ROMs, true story.
[Off-topic] SoFaKiNgStOkeD:
Please someone delete this thread as well. Way to feed the pig!
[Off-topic] princeasi:
You can see look on his face explains it all.... Got a few oreos missing the other halves up there lol!......as the previous poster said this is general. This topic pertains to what is taking place here and in many other threads.

I'm just sayin!
[Off-topic] TheRomMistress:
It has been said many times before and sadly, with almost 5mil users, it is almost impossible to avoid these kind of things. What you can do a member of XDA, is to report any such posts so we can take care of them.
[Off-topic] TheRomMistress:
This is an extremely offensive/raciest comment as well as inaccurate. XDA is full of ppl of all backgrounds, not just American. Be careful what you say or you will end up on a vacation.
[Off-topic] PoisonWolf:
Out of curiosity, isn't XDA's servers hosted elsewhere? Like in Netherlands or something?

I remember a moderator telling me that it was somewhere else and that it's definitely not in the US....or something.
[Off-topic] Krooked22:
I was taking about the T-Mobile galaxy s OUt forum specifically, it if an American phone

"American" is not a race lol, so there is no way for that comment to be racist

I am American
[HTC Sensation] tobats120:
Any one with RUU ver 1.73.707.4?

Recently installed revolutionary but i want to revert it to s-on so i think I'm going to need this.
[HTC Sensation] bobsie41:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1074559

Do you mean 1.73.401.4?? which is available here.
[HTC Sensation] tobats120:
Nope, software version states 1.73.707.4.

I recently brought it actually yesterday. Maybe it's a more up-to-date RUU or something.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
It's just for different region. x.xx.707.x is Asia iirc. So you are stuck probably. Try flashing 401 one. If it doesn't work just change cid to htc__001 and flash 401 one, then write secureflag command.
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Thanks to my greatly immensly unbelievably good searching skills http://bbs.fengbao.com/fengbao_ftpd...035.02_2_release_220848_signed.exe&tid=486812

Now, does anyone want me to write a tutorial how to use google search? :P

Flash at your own risk, i'd say it's pretty safe, but it's not from Football or Sniper sooooooo.....
[HTC Sensation] tobats120:
Now that's what do I call mad searching skills!!

Thanks a lot!
[HTC Sensation] tobats120:
BTW,

i found something better, the link was somehow corrupted, i only got few kb's for the file. A better version from 4shared:

http://www.4shared.com/get/Y6HC8uZa/RUU_Pyramid_LE_hTC_Asia_WWE_17.html
[Desire HD General] shad0wboss:
I've tried several sense roms but i don't like them personally. I'm currently on Android Revolution HD and i want to try something new. Is there a good CM7 or AOSP rom which is good in interface, small in size and with great battery life?

Thanks in advance
[Desire HD General] joooe:
This is a subjective matter, but try these two:

BlackICE - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1298283

and

Ultimate Ace - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1341251
[Desire HD General] DonUber:
I also recommend BlackICE or if you want to try Maffia, with Maffia my battery once survived 58 hours :P, also with BlackIce your battery can survive for 2 days, but the ICS Theme in Maffia is not 100% working so you may not like that and BlackICE had a simple stylish dark theme, and has more features and some more tweaks.
[Desire HD General] thenocturnalnurse:
Here are my suggestions, Absolution, BBmod and Black Ice :)
[Desire HD General] TimmyUK:
+1 on Black Ice.

Loving the higher res look and feel. The performance is excellent and its very stable and smooth. Recently tried a sense ROM and within 12 hours came back!

I used to use MIUI a lot (especially when I had my desire). I've had my HD less than a month and loving it.

For further interface tweaks install a different launcher. I use GO Launcher EX :D
[Desire HD General] crazyjc81:
Try CM7.1(nightly) with ICS theme

Fast, smooth, and looks great !

Add Go Launcher EX with ICS theme to make it complete.

I havent tried Black Ice yet.