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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
There are plenty of threads about prefereneces and ideas for the future. There are also plenty of threads comparing Mango to Android.

This thread is about the anvantages and differences between Windows Phone 7 - Mango and the iPhone 4S. It is not an opinion thread. The subject is clearly defined in Post #1.

Of your post, the only thing of value that is relevant to the thread is that the iPhone 4S allows grouping of programs into folders. Everything else was off topic and you did not actually even properly state that as an iPhone advantage.

I have added that as an iPhone advantage.

Keep this thread on topic. There are way too many threads in this section that started with a purpose and were side tracked into a big opinion thread which lead to a bucnh of users bashing each other which lead towards thread closures and bans.
[Windows Phone 7 General] johagster:
The iPhone has 4-5x music playback battery capability. My Windows Phone 7 lasts maybe 5-8 hours of music playback without doing anything, an iphone4 lasts 40 hours, or even more.

This has probably to do with hardware and software optimized together, probably some separate chip handling music playback on the iPhone versus windows phone 7, that I assume uses the main CPU to do music playback.

I would think that iphone takes the same approach to music playback, that nvidia will do in it's future multi-core CPU's, where one very weak CPU using almost no power at all, will handle low-consumption tasks like music playback, while the faster cores that use more battery will handle other requests.

iPhone hardware/software layout trumps windows phone 4-5x in this respect...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
battery differences

I have observed that playing music from my iPhone 4S does not consume much battery charge. I used it all winter snow boarding and the battery went down at a similar rate as when not playing music.

I honestly didn't pay alot fo attention to battery usage with my LG Quantum regarding music playback. I will test this out.

When you made the observations with Windows Phone 7, you had the music on the device right? Meaning that you were not streaming from a Zune Pass or something.

Data streaming is a big consumer of battery charge on both platforms. An Advertisement supported game (Hearts by Optime) on my iPhone drains about 5% in 10 to 15 minutes. It is constantly bringing in ads through data.

Windows Phone made huge battery improvements over Windows Mobile, but I have been very impressed with the iPhone battery usage. I haven't quantified all things that the battery life is better on, but I do know that with typical usage, I get more usage per charge with my iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] grimchicken402:
Original focus music playback battery life

I've had my focus since march 2011 and I use it almost everyday to listen to music while riding my motorcycle (it's legal where I live) and I've had the battery last upwards of 12 hours continuous playback on an 800 mile trip. I had airplane mode turned on. When I got where I was going the phone still had about 30% left. No where near the iPhone capability but still pretty good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Reminder of thread purpose and subject

This thread is not a fanboy thread for either side. It is not an opinion thread. It's purpose is to idendify describable advantages and disadvantages of these 2 platforms.

There are plenty of other threads to state opinions.

I don't want to, but I am considering closing the thread and reopening upon PM requests by anyone that wants to post something pertaining to the purpose of the thread.

I think most if not all advantages and disadvantages have been pretty accurately described.

Post should be to identify an advantage or disadvantage not already listed. Of course discussion on an advantage or disadvantage can occur, but broad generalizations about either platform benefit no one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
4. Back button is a huge advantage. In IOS the button isn't always in the same spot. Sometimes it's up top, sometimes it's on the bottom, thats inconsistent.

........

#8 for IOS advantages is a reference for Game Center. You could add achievements, and friend contacts.

Xbox integration on Wp7 is poor. The remote control app has to go through the web to work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
Here's an advantage for the iPhone: there's an option in the safari browser that lets you open new tabs in the background, which you can't do on the WP7 IE browser.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
On Windows Phone, hit the ...

and press tabs.

Have you actually ever used a windows phone?

To add more to item 15, besides bing maps, Nokia has Nokia drive and HTC has HTC locations which DOES turn by turn voice for free without tapping. Not part of the O/S but provided by the oem so i'm not sure how you would class it. The OEM'S also give you multiple free apps... htc for example has Dock mode, Connections, Locations, Flashlight, and more. Apple only provides what is in the O/S and no free extra apps.

Facetime is not an advantage when you have Skype and Tango that can do the same across multiple platforms even using 3g for free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I was pretty sure that Windows Phone 7 had the ability to load multiple tabs without waiting for the other tabs to finish, but it's been a while since I've turned on my Quantum. I didn't want to add it without first checking. Thanks for confirming that Window Phone does this.

Good to know about the other apps that some OEMs provide turn by turn apps. Think that I may word this as:

Some OEMs such as HTC and Nokia provide free applications built in to do tap free Turn by Turn directions. With the iPhone a 3rd party not built in app is always required to accomplish this.

I do think that Facetime is still an advantage, since it is built in. An iPhone user does not need to install or configure anything special to FaceTime with other iPhone users. Although, the advantage is not great since there are free cross-platform alternatives and FaceTime is only for Apple products. I reworded the listed advantage, to reflect this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Seriously? You shouldn't mention those apps, you could write a book on how poor they are. I'm not talking just about the notifications either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
I guess I misworded that. When you open a new tab in WP7, you automatically go to that tab.

In Safari, you get to choose whether to remain in your current tab or go to the one you just opened.

Being forced to go to the new tab is really annoying when browsing the forums and opening multiple topics in different tabs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
all the good browsers (now) allow "open in background tab" functionality that people enjoy. it shouldn't be a hard thing to implement the choice for wp's browser, just WHEN will it finally happen. things change very very slowly here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Sadly, HTC Locations is not free. You can just use it for 30 days for free then you have to chose a subscription or buy a complete map of a country.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
That kind of bites. I tried googling to find prices, but have have not found them. Do you have a link to map prices? I'd like to include it in the list.

After much googling, it looks like in the U.S.A. unlimited is $30.00

But tha tis just from people's comments, not official from HTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Sadly it's inaccurate or incomplete information.

HTC Locations IS FREE. Only offline mode beyond 30 days isn't free. You can use the online navigation for as long as you like. However, I have over 2 weeks left to find out if I'm wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I've update item 15 to read:

15. Turn By Tap directions. Although you need to tap, it will recalculate if you deviate from the route after a tap.

Some OEMs such as HTC and Nokia provide applications built in to do tap free Turn by Turn directions. With the iPhone a 3rd party not built in app is always required to accomplish this.

Both HTC Locations and Nokia's app also provide offline navigation.

HTC Locations offline mode is free for 30 days, but Nokia's app is free with a Nokia phone.

HTC Locations online mode may be free after the 30 days. Someone that is using it for more than 30 days or can no longer use it after 30 days, please post so I can update this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Are you sure HTC Locations isn't free? When i go into the marketplace it says free with no option to buy. event in the legal section it only states that it uses bing maps.

According to this...

http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...-free-offline-voice-guided-navigation_id28567

ok - did some more searching under get more there is a worldwide expiration date. Mine isn't for 2 more weeks still. When i click on the get more in there it takes me to the maps. I wonder if it's for offline mode only. I'll post back after the 29th when i can test it.

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In internet explored 9 on windows 7, tab is in the foreground. it seems to make more sense to me that way as i want to go back to the previous page, but read my more current tab 1st. (if that makes sense to you) What is the advantage of having it come up in the background? (unless you have slow internet and it takes that page a while to come up... only advantage i can think of)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ you quoted it.

The option is a advantage, but this is kinda picky.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Another advantage to it is to open several tabs in the background while reading a page that contains many links to referenced information. That way you can continue reading the article and then read the linked info after and it will be fully loaded.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Mango advantages

I added some additional details to the existing list and also added 2.

30. Ability to snooze an appointment. With the iPhone, if you have a meeting scheduled for 2:00 PM and are set to be reminded 15 minutes before, you will get notified at 1:45 PM. But there is not way to snooze for 10 minutes and get notified again at 1:55 PM.

31. Rescheduled appointments from Exchange work properly. The iPhone asks if you want to rescheule the meeting or all meetings, even though the original rescheduler defined this when rescheduling.

Those 2 issues bother me frequently, because I was a Windows Mobile user before I was a Windows Phone user. Both supported that.

After being forced into an iPhone, I no longer have this. Meetings are frequently rescheduled and I always want to be reminded 5 minutes before and 15 minutes before. I used to always snooze 10 minutes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Interesting... i didn't know the meeting one. That would annoy the heck out of me as you would be forced into the time that the scheduler set for the reminder. Sometimes people don't set it an take the auto 15 min. Some things i have to set projectors and such up and i have to be there 1/2 hour before and if i'm busy i will snooze it for 5. Can you at least adjust the reminder time? Those issues alone would frustrate me if i didn't have a windows phone because of my job.
[Windows Phone 7 General] james denoil:
re :mango vs iphone 4s

i like the tabular display of win phone 7
[Windows Phone 7 General] Buckylastard:
The following points are actually more of a disadvantage to WP7 than advantages of an iPhone as I see them more as crucial basic functions.

The first one is that wp7 does not have rotation lock. Very annoying when I try to browse while lying in bed.

Second is that wp7 does not have fast scrolling. On iOS, when you flick the screen a few times, the scrolling momentum goes faster and faster. This makes reaching the bottom of the page easier. Also, by touching the status bar, the screen jumps back to the top. WP7 does not have this and is really annoying when browsing long pages.

Also there is no unified color scheme for the bg in WP7. You can choose between a black or white background. But for some reason, when I choose black, my mail app and office app is always white. I find this quite annoying as it is quite bright at night.

While we are talking about brightness... WP7 has limited brightness setting. on iOS you can set the brightness to whatever you want. WP7 only has 3 options (low, med, high). The problem is that at night, the low brightness is still too bright.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
Your 3rd point applies to iOS as well. e.g. the game center UI is always green, the iBooks (or whetever it's called) is always brown, whicle the settings are white/light blue.

Also, push email doesn't work for Yahoo mail accounts on WP7. I'm pretty sure it works on iOS so I think this is another advantage for iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nraudigy2:
The biggest pro for me is that both my 4S and Lumia 900 are snappy and very stable/consistence. Can't say the same for Galaxy S2 and my other Android phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
If someone using iOS and yahoo mail can confirm that push email works for their yahoo account on iOS, I will add this to iPhone advantages. However, if someone using Mango can get push email to work for Yahoo, then I won't. I'll wait a couple days for resonses before updating.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Thread is not about Android. Even if it is a positive for both iPhone and Windows Phone 7, the thread is not a comparison to Android. I don't want to open it up to any other comparisons with Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
With my iPhone, I have the issue where it rotates while reading things in bed. It is annoying since you want it to lock since your head is sideways. If you can post how to lock it with the iPhone, I'll add it as an advantage. Unless someone posts how to do it with Mango.

I thought Windows 7 had fast scrolling. Someone please confirm or deny.

As far as brighness. I will add that the iPhone has more brightness settings than Mango and does dim lighter than Mango's low setting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Mango advantage

reading emails on my iPhone is very annoying.

The words are often way too small. Zooming in makes the works bigger, but the lines don't auto wrap, so I need to contanstly scroll left to right.

If there is a way to make emails more readable, with iOS, please post.

If I recall correctly, Mango automatically adjustst the emails. If this is not true, please post. I plan to check this tomorrow.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xddd00:
Push IM/Email

Hi...

Nice thread dude, very clean and nice :)

I want to move from Android to (I don't know yet)

So I was wondering if one of them work as BlackBerry push email (real push email not poll) and also FB, FB Chat, Twitter... (People Hub). I mean, not fetching data like every 15 minutes or so to keep connection alive (saves battery)

Thanks!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] someone3974:
Excellent

Thanks for your idea, excellent I think. Very detail and quite persuasive:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Scrolling - the faster you flick Windows Phone, the faster it scrolls and after each flick it slowly slows down until you flick again. Just tested on Titan (hadn't really noticed before and had to find a page long enough to require it)

Email - When you open, landscape or portrait always has a small margin left and right and almost fills screen. Double tap makes the margins go away zooms the email slightly. It does not however word wrap when you pinch to zoom. The text can then go off the screen. Also system messages such as Internet pictures are blocked do not zoom. Only the content of the email.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I thought you had to pay for Yahoo push email, on any OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
He is referring to jump to top and jump to bottom, I think.

Also, scrolling on WP is timed, it won't go as fast as you flick it. It has a set speed. Meaning no matter how fast you flick, it will only go a certain speed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
The strange thing is that push works my other email accounts (Windows Live and Gmail). There's just no "update as items arrive" option in the Yahoo mail options, even though it's there for the other accounts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xzevious:
Fast Scrolling

I don't know what that means in iPhone terms, does it increase the max scroll speed by some factor if you flick again within a certain time period? If so that's probably patentable (and patented). I did try longpage.com on my HD7 and it appears that the way WP7 scrolling works on long pages is that it has a top speed where additional flicks don't seem to increase it, however it is still gesture speed sensitive so that if you flick slower the top speed for that gesture is slower and then the taper off effect is applied.

I'm not sure (again having not used the iPhone for a similar test) that this is squarely a benefit since I don't know how often the average person would run into a page this long so to me it seems that it was more of a choice probably made by an R&D team on where to max out. Does this require multiple flicks to engage or is it just the faster you flick the faster it goes? Can you disable or adjust this in IOS to get a consistent speed? Say you're trying to find something and you're scanning through the page rather than trying to get to a known place on the page, does it know what your intent is somehow and could you explain?

Granted that's my personal criteria for it being a feature (being able to disable or adjust it in this case to my personal preference) otherwise it's just one speed setting versus another.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Buckylastard:
On wp7, the scrolling speed depends on your flick movement and speed. And this is fixed. If you make a large and speedy flick movement, it will obviously scroll a bit more. But on a long page, you would have to do this movement over and over again.

On the iPhone. You can scroll normally, but also with increased momentum. Scrolling normally would be like how you would normally browse through a page. And if you want to scroll very fast, you just scroll a few times in a quick succession. The momentum will increase after each succession until the page reaches the bottom, or when you stop flicking. This system works very intuitive and does not need an on/off button as the user is the one who decides when to fast scroll. Furthermore, the "jump to top" by touching the status bar is very convenient too.

"I thought Windows 7 had fast scrolling. Someone please confirm or deny"

As I explained it above. WP7 does not have the same fast scrolling. It just registers a larger flicking movement.

And iPhone has rotation lock. (On iOS 4 and up I believe) Double press the home button to get the multitask bar. Flick to the right (left bar screen) to see your volume controls. Next to the volume control, there is a button with a circular arrow. That is your rotation lock.
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
Found another advantage for iOS:

iOS lets you adjust "media" and "ringer" volumes separately. WP7 lumps them together, which means if you have sensitive headphones and have to turn the volume down, it'll the ringer will also be quiet when someone calls.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Not sure if the Iphone does this but Windows phone has voice announce. It has the option to say the name of the person that's calling. To try this...

To turn on Speech for accessibility, tap Settings > Ease of access, and then turn on Speech for phone accessibility. This enables the following:

Talking caller ID for phone calls. When you get a call, your phone will announce the name or number of the caller.

Also voice tell me can open apps. Siri cannot. Example hold windows key, say start Flashlight. (the flashlight app starts and turns on because it's set to turn on when the app loads). Use that a lot when getting my keys out in the dark. opening apps with voice does not require data.

Tellme can also reply to texts without touching the phone. Under speech change read outload incoming texts to always on unless you want it only in a bluetooth enabled car or headset (wired also) This is great when i'm walking my dog because i don't have to get the phone out to answer a text. I can be listening to music and it will pause it and say who is texting and ask me if i want it read. Then i can say the reply and tell it to send. All via the mic.

To have your phone announce and read incoming text messages, tap Settings > Speech, and then turn on Play audio confirmations. Tap Read aloud incoming text messages, and then choose when you want to hear the announcements—all the time, or only when using a Bluetooth and/or a wired headset.

When your phone announces an incoming text, you can say "Read it" or "Ignore." Then you can dictate and send a reply.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Buckylastard:
Another plus for iOS.

I found out the other day that iPhone has a notification light. You can turn it on in the accessibility menu. The LED light will blink a few times when you receive a message or call.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I believe WP7's lack of notification lights is a hardware limitation. I've got a Lumia 800 (no notification light) and an HTC HD2, which does have a functioning notification light with my Mango ROM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nah its a OS limitation. On the HD7 it only blinks for missed calls. So you have to troll your phone for every other notification.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
i would see not blinking for emails as a WP7 Advantage. if i had that my battery would be dead and my light on all the time. I check 5 email accounts, one of which is my work, Exchange 2010 and during the day it would be a steady light instead of a blinking light. Does the iphone let you turn it off anywhere? If so, choice would be an advantage for iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Buckylastard:
Notification led on iPhone is turned off by default. Most friends I know didn't even knew the iPhone had this function.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
HTC LOCATIONS - verified it expired the 29th. at that point you can buy 1 month, 1 year or unlimied (29.00 license)

Doesn't let you do online or offline without license. I already bought Navigon but just wanted to update. Nokia appears to have the only turn by turn voice no tap directions via oem on windows phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Please remember that this thread is for discussing specific features of each OS.

Thread cleaned.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ReignOfComputer:
I've made an application availability comparison list, hopefully this comes in handy.

http://www.wp7sg.com/application-comparisons/
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Kinda pointless don't you think? No way to list all applications, and what's important to you may not be important to others, and vice versa.

Your list doesn't even account for missing features. Alternative apps don't make up for official ones.

So, just stick to the topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] HacK-TroY:
Window phone mango

positive:

almost all

negative:

zune and bluetooch
[Windows Phone 7 General] neverover:
I like Windows UI logics better than iOS. iPhone is very apps-centric, where in order to get the jobs done, you will need all the apps and all the icons in the home screen. Very cluttered and boring by time. Mango based themselves on information, where in people hub you will get covered in terms of social need (facebook, twitter, chat). Too bad Windows made their apps development so closed compared to Android market.