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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] levchikb:
gorilla glass or not, my phone has a few scratches already - one pretty deep / noticeable when screen is off.

and those scratches were made inside my jeans' pockets with or without keys in them (i'm not sure, but I try to pull keys out before putting phone in).

And no - I don't work for a screen protector company - I'm a roofer, and bought this device imported from Europe for work-related stuff (customer presentations / roof sketches w/ s-pen, etc.)

BTW - I know this is not the place - but my s-pen is about 3-4 mm off when I write / draw anything on the screen - what up with that?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
I went too far, comparing anyone to an Apple Fanboy is a harsh insult....

Anyways if they offered a blue and pink iphone and called them an Iphone 4B and 4P, I wouldn't doubt that people would upgrade to them.

America just eats up gimmicks, it's a little unsettling....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
Very strange, did you have sand in your pockets or a lot of lint? Both can scratch screens pretty bad.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] levchikb:
Lint more than possible - no sand. But how can lint scratch glass, and especially "scratch-resistant" glass like the one on the Note???
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] xAnimal5:
I learned this a while ago with my iphone. What Lint does is it is not only a buildup of thread, but it also attracts little finite particles of anything. Microscopic dirt, sand, metal particle buildup, etc.

If you leave a phone in your lint filled pocket, and it moves back and forth in your pocket all day long, theres a good chance that the crappy little particles in your pocket with make small scratches or even noticeable ones. Some leftover sand in the lint of my pocket wrecked my garbage iphone glass once. Anyways, thats why I clean out my pockets from now on...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cenkaetaya:
i dont know about gorilla glass

to me its just a stronger screen but you get some sand on that thing and slide it across.. its going to be scratched.

id NEVER use a note for a day without a screen protector; half my phones have 1 scratch on them cuz i did that and somehow managed to put one on it.

it pisses me off to have a perfectly nice phone with 1 scratch under the protector..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ragin:
Look at ANY public building in your town that has polished Granite as flooring. Even though granite is quite hard, the sand particles stuck in a man's shoes will render the surface DULL over a period of time.

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You SHOULD make a thread with this info, I will vote for to be made as a sticky.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Its very simple lol..

Glass is made of Sand.

Gorilla Glass is made of Sand.

Therefore, Sand <-> Glass can scratch each other (like only Diamond can scratch another Diamond).

Moh'x Hardening scale test :http://anythingbutipod.com/2009/04/glass-screen-durability-test-a-lesson-on-the-mohs-hardness-scale/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qazzi76:
Agreed!

LOL!

No I haven't. :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bamboo12:
i had 2 very light scratches on the screen, think that's what everyone else is getting.. i believe it's just the oeliophwhatever coating, i've manage to remove the scratches with a product call NUSCREEN
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ashwin123:
Are you using the flip cover?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] kable:
Gorilla Glass is tougher to crack/break and will handle drops better. Unlike normal glass that breaks very easily. It just sits over the LCD to protect it. It isn't 100% scratch proof but it sure beats a sharp stick in the eye.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
More input.

Out of curiosity, I just gave my iPhone a careful look under strong light (because of these threads actually).

I have had it for a couple years. I use no protection and keep it in a bag with heavy keys, and metal poking things, etc. daily.

there is not a single scratch...nothing. AMAZING.

Fill in the blanks yourself :(

Fortunately, I put a protector on the Note immediately so I have no scratches. But these threads suggest regular glass, or inferior hardened glass.

Edited: removed galaxy tab reference as I was WAY off topic :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] aliens@home:
I also had the original Galaxy Tab and one time it fell off my hand onto a very rough concret floor from about 4 ft high. The impact was very big and I can hear the loud noise when it hit the ground, FACE DOWN. Before I picked up the Tab, my first thought was the the screen would have been shattered. To my big surprise, not even a single scratch on the screen,and I had no screen protector then.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
Oops, sorry I edited my post. (yours looks a bit random now :D )

But yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Built like a rock. Better build quality than the iPad, actually (but perhaps not as elegant....or maybe it is)

One thing i've learned from this is: if it doesn't have a very large stamp saying 'Gorilla Glass' i'm going to be leery.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
My HD2 screen did not have a single scratch after 2 years of hard use.

No way I'm putting a screen protector over my Note screen that(potentially) dulls the touch response, blurs the view and causes more reflections for nothing.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
Well, yeah they suck (screen savers, that is). But look at all the posts from people who say there are getting scratches! DO you want scratches? Just because your other phone didn't, don't get complacent. (or scared like me :D )
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ashwin123:
I have scratches too... U can check it for youreselves too if you want to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOLi...xt=C3885a58UDOEgsToPDskKpnjq2G8I8yEKrps4lyLOl

Thats the link to my video review of the note and you just need to watch the 1st part of the review and that has the scratches.

Hope I helped!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Taptapdude:
Checked with local Samsung guys and I can confirm that the note comes with gorilla glass. Since its so big its more prone to scratches than the tiny iphones which are much easier to crack when dropped. Quite a few youtube vids on that and it looks real.

Putting a screen protector on does mask the scratch tho.

Be more careful or use the flip cover that comes with the note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Goonish:
If it is gorilla glass, which is highly unlikely in reality because it just scratches so easy.

It's easy to say it is, without having to backup your words and make sales.

This phone obviously scratches way too easily to be gorilla glass everyone either needs something solid to back it up, or it's just words with no fact. I have a couple of really light scratches and I've owned dozens of phones which were 4" or bigger none of them scratched this easily. Ever. None claimed to be made of gorilla glass either. Pounder that for a while.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Well, I have my Gnote for almost a month now I believe.

I have dropped it about 3 times on hard floor surface (few more on soft surface).

One time I put it between the bed's frame and the matrass, and since its so slim it fell off to the floor - FACE DOWN! :eek:

I could not reach it, I had to reach it with a stick - DRAG it with face down over the floor until I could reach it with the hand.

I just checked the screen carefully against light, and only managed to see TWO micro-scratches, only detectable with naked eye, when I look at it with about 80-85 degrees angle from surface (with the room light being on the opposite side also in 80-85 degrees angle).

I would say I am VERY HAPPY with the performance of this Gorilla Glass.

I don't mind those micro scratches, they are unseen and don't feel in normal use.

I think the lot of you are just plain bored.

If it wasn't Gorilla Glass, you'd see much worse things than micro scratches.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
I'm sorry, but the " Local Samsung guy" = clueless

You need a BIG RED STICKER on it. Even if you call corporate, you'll never get the truth; from the Executives, Engineers, or the guy who fist though it up. Just they way it is.

The only way to get to the bottom of this is with tests we do ourselves, or an official announcement on the Samsung site (because they are then liable)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ashwin123:
Bro I have an acer Iconia a500 which doesnt have a gorilla glass and ive been using it for 6 months without a screen protector... no micro scratches at all but the galaxy note has 3-4 already (2weeks with flip cover and extreme care) Check out ma video around the 3:20 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOLi...xt=C37eb44dUDOEgsToPDskKDHIdsp7HVpAjh6OjLEcOL

Hope I helped

-Cursed4Eva
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] galaxytab1:
Whatever. There are tens of scratches on screen now. Buying screen guard now.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChromJ:
I could not scratch hd2 , but I left the htc sensation in my pocket with keys and I got scratches. I think what you said make sense.

now with the Gnotes I am a bit careful

I never used or intend to use screen protectors. they take the Genuinity out of the device
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
Fortunately, I don't think this is such a big deal as we have the protectors.

Then again, it's perhaps too early to tell if they diminish the pen/touch experience significantly, but I imagine they don't.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] anakletor:
My GNote is scratchfree so far and so is my GS1 after 1.5 years of use. I always put my phone in left pocket while keys go to right pocket. I do it intuitively. I hate protectors.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Those who claim scratch free devices over 8 months or so w/o a screen protector try to check your screens under a yellowish light you are bound to see scratches, Its almost impossible not to scratch the screen even how microscopic the scratches are but they are 100% invisible during regular use.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Well, yesterday evening while I was wiping off the screen, it fell from the height of the couch in the living room to the floor, and also slided on the floor horizontally (no idea how it fell this way) - now I have something there, either its a BIG scratch, or a small crack - I am not sure!

But its not really noticeable if the screen is on (and easily seen with reflection of light of course).

Also the S-Pen feels the scratch - when I go over it I can feel it.

I am wondering, once my damned cover and screen protector arrive - will it still be seen once I apply it?

The reason I ask is, because if it wouldnt be, I can then go make "insurance" of the types which cover everything - they would check the device, then it should pass (as the cover would hide the scratch/crack), then after a month I get new protector, remove the old one, go complain and get it replaced, and terminate the insurance :D

The alternative is to claim warranty, saying the glass was defective and scratches too easily or had a small crack, and then they might (probably) send it to a lab for testing - I am NOT looking forward to being without such phone again for prolonged time! :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] dennis1a4:
It's updated now, and the Gnote is there :)

(Sorry for the non-link, I'm still a newb here)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] William Haven:
Hey thanks for the info.

So now i imagine ppl will start saying gorilla glass sucks. And the note should have got gorilla glass 2!! ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Amen to that!

Corning Gorilla Glass on GNote

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Haha! True.

This is worth a new thread.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] naimmkassim:
Haha..i knew it the moment i see the screen!!

So now, can someone do the scratch test?? Lol
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] SAlmighty:
Bye Bye Gorilla Glass, hello Lotus Glass aka Gorila Glass 2, to be found most likely in S3 and / or Note 2 later this year
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jeromepearce:
That would be fraud. As long as you are happy with that, of course...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] bbdj69:
People can live how they want. It's beyond me, though, why one would advertise that.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Not in my books, the phone should not have scratched like that to begin with.

In addition, the annual insurance fee pretty much covers the costs of replacing 1 screen (customer cost), and probably 2 screens laboratory cost) - so I definitely do not feel for them, they profit enough as it is.

Very true, thanks! Why? because I do not live in a shame, I do not believe I am doing anything unjust, therefore, nothing to be ashamed of.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Then why aren't you making a complaint to Samsung? Probably because you know you won't win.

Not if everyone was like you and took out insurance *after* the event in order to immediately claim!

You may consider that you are only "sticking it to the man", but in actual fact you are hurting regular consumers because it is fraudulent claims like these that cause the premiums to rise for honest punters.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DarkyHD2:
Really The Note has Gorilla Glass

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
Regardless of whatever "your books"say, its still fraud. And despite what you might think, its still your fault it scratched.

My DHD has no scratches, blemeshes, cracks, or anything whatsoever, and that's not just because it has guierilla glass; but because I actually still take good care of it. People can't think just because their device is labelled as bulletproof that they should walk into open gunfire...you still have to actually take care the device..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Respectfully, I disagree.

I think when you buy something and pay extra for special features, you have every right to rely, or "use" those features.

Lets say you purchased a hardened laptop like the Dell Latitude XT2 XFR edition (hardened, costs about twice more than normal) - wouldnt you expect it to be as advertised? I know my heart would not stop seeing it drop from my hand, or the table to the floor, because I paid extra for the special features (which include warranty in that example) - so yes, I would use every bit of it since I paid for it.

Otherwise, I might have as well purchased something cheaper.

Want another example? When you purchase a car with 5 stars on safety, you expect it to protect you better than a cheaper 4 star car, right?

I think the same applies here to Gorilla Glass.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] benrees21:
I'm down with that lol. What brand of screen protector do people recommend?

Spat out from my Nexus S!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] _pigro_:
So finally, the double negative in the thread title is proven to be fully justified :-) Not that I can't say that I am not displeased, of course!!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] sniperbr0:
what a ****ty gorilla glass it is, I take extreme care with mine and it has a few scratches and a DENT in it, I have no idea of how that happened, I'm so sad :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Gorilla Glass is *not* scratch or crack proof! It is just better at resisting it than other glasses. It can take a lot of abuse, but there will be times when it gets hit at just the wrong angle and fail to take the strain, even if there isn't a lot of force involved.

Which gives you the right to defraud an insurance company?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] macwilson:
I've got news for you, that's fraud. Greed is a dangerous thing. It can make you see what's not there, or vice versa.

Of course you will argue on and on, in a delightful denialfest :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] HarmonyFlame:
I respectfully disagree as well, and here's why:

A. Your not paying extra for gorilla glass.

B. Even if you were, they never state that it will protect your screen from any and all damage.

Your relying too much on the marketing of the product IMO. When it really comes down to it, that's really all that it is, a marketing tool (in this particular case for gorilla glass that is). The same goes for the Droid razr and its Kevlar backing. Does it really stops bullets? No. Does Motorola think it will influence buyers in a way? Yes.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edanfalls:
Yeah but I think what's annoyed/confused a lot of people is that the quality of Gorilla Glass seems to vary so much. By all accounts, the Gorilla Glass on the HD2 was amazing. I literally put a knife and scissors to my HD2 screen with some proper force and couldn't get any sort of scratch whatsoever on it. Clearly they're not making them to that grade anymore.

It's almost as if Corning like making money... how rude :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
That may well be the case, but then again I've heard loads of anecdotes where someone had failed to deliberately scratch a Gorilla Glass screen, but managed it accidentally.

The only 100% effective scratch protection is eternal vigilance in caring for your device!

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DPMAce:
Screen protector is part of the solution.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Not for me! ;)

Personally, I think screen protectors ruin the look and feel of a device, so I don't use them.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foosho:
Thank you for contacting Samsung.

In regards to your enquiry please be advised that no glass is truly 100%

scratch resistant. If you are referring to “Gorilla Glass”, which is

seen on some of our phones that is more resilient to scratches than

other glasses seen on devices; then this phone does not have Gorilla

Glass due to how the touch screen works. Since this screen is inductive

it needs a more flexible glass, and Gorilla Glass is tougher, so it

wouldn’t work well on pressure touch devices.

All our devices are made as durable as possible but no glass is fully

scratch resistant. I am sorry for any inconvenience.

If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and

we will be more than happy to help.

Kind regards,
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ph00ny:
Jebus. Not again

Stolen from the other thread

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foosho:
If samsung says it is not Gorilla Glass then it is not, doesn't matter what other sites write ... right!

Customer reference number: 2113912668

Email response ID: 2107376363

Please quote your customer reference number when contacting Samsung.

Dear ......,

Thank you for contacting Samsung.

In regards to your enquiry please be advised that no glass is truly 100%

scratch resistant. If you are referring to “Gorilla Glass”, which is

seen on some of our phones that is more resilient to scratches than

other glasses seen on devices; then this phone does not have Gorilla

Glass due to how the touch screen works. Since this screen is inductive

it needs a more flexible glass, and Gorilla Glass is tougher, so it

wouldn’t work well on pressure touch devices.

All our devices are made as durable as possible but no glass is fully

scratch resistant. I am sorry for any inconvenience.

If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and

we will be more than happy to help.

Kind regards,

Thomas

Online Support Team

SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre[/COLOR]
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] MikeFRG:
+1 yep right
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Someone drive a stake throught it's heart please.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] davidblaine021:
You want unbiased opinion? ok here goes, i bought my note a month ago... But before i bought mine, i did a screen test, but not on my device but the device on display!!! Lmfao, i used my car key, i waited gir the guy to become busy and immidiately scratch my key as hard as i could, dude i almost freaked out i tought i broke the glass, but when i checked NO SCRATCH... really, still not convinced i tried it for the second and third time but still NO SCRATCH... But the funny thing is when i checked it closely, there are fine scratches on the surface of the screen... But im sure that didnt came from my key... So; i dont really know what to say
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] googlevich:
I've had my note for over a month now and I can back this up. I haven't got any big scratches on it, but I do have a couple very minuscule scratches that you can barely see.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ph00ny:
I've dropped mine on asphalt, wipe with my pants (including jeans), and carry/pocket it without any protection

0 scratches so far. Same goes for my SGS2 and unsurprisingly, my captivate had two fine scratch lines on the screen after a long usage without any cases.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Yes, because customer service reps are always so knowledgeable about the devices they support aren't they? :rolleyes:

We've had posts allegedly from Samsung CSRs in the past, both confirming and denying that the Note has Gorilla Glass, so your post is a strawman I'm afraid.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tenshi888:
Galaxy Note has Gorilla Glass

I believe this confirms it once and for all:

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/full-products-list
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] korvinc:
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/samsung

But what is this?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] diament:
That confirmes nothing. Even if that states that SGN got it - it dont have to. What if thay didnt got Gorillas on production line? Maybe they got some other glasses which were prviously ordered from diffrent manufactor? Thay can put whatever thay want. You can only believe its true and hope your piece got it. Mine don't have it. It got scratched after 3 days. An I did absoulutely NOTHIG.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jeromepearce:
I believe that this is exactly the wrong way round. Pressure sensitive screens need to be flexible. Capacitive screens do not, surely.

Sounds like BS.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Livewings:
MY NOTE HAS BEEN SCRATCHED.

Gorilla Glass, my ass.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] edanfalls:
Eh? That's the same way round as the quote you're responding to. Inductive = pressure sensitive = more flexible surface required.

But that email is BS though, as the Note obviously doesn't have an inductive screen. Why would someone forge an email like that? Odd.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Errhhh - yes it does. That's how Wacom digitizers work.

I think you are confusing inductive with resistive - the Note has a capacitive screen, but the Wacom digitizer for the S-Pen is most certainly inductive!

However, the use of a Wacom digitizer does not preclude the use of Gorilla Glass - there are plenty of tablet PCs on the market that use both technologies.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Lanarix:
Who ever told you Gorilla Glass was unable to get scratches? That's the main problem here, most of you people don't understand the real purpose of Gorilla Glass. Yes it does protect against certain kinds of scratches. But ofcourse you're able to get scratches on the screen.. It's not like it's able to wield off every single thing you throw/drop/push on the screen..

It's REINFORCED, not INDESTRUCTIBLE.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jeriz:
Untill pure diamond screens arive we are going to have to live with scratched screens. It is not hard to scratch a screen gorilla glass or not all it takes is a material that's harder than the screen and has sharp edges then almost no pressure is needed. And if you take into consideration that an ordinary grain of sand can possess these propertys you can never accurately compare accidental scratches without having access to the object that caused the scratch.

most of the claims made in this tread are based on anecdotal evidence not facts and one simply can't make claims in one way or the other based on that kind of "evidence"
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Sign me up for that diamond screen!

Im also gonna do a scratch test before my screen gets replaced this weekend.