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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I've never flashed custom Windows 7 ROMs, which maybe the difference.

My original Quantum was replaced after 1 month through warranty.

It actually was kind of annoying, because it reinstalled everything I had ever installed, even if I had uninstalled it.

Originally, I had installed a bunch of alarm programs, because I was hoping to control the snooze time or have different options. Of courcse Mango was not out yet so all of them had to be the running app before locking the screen. I had uninstalled all of them. After restoring the replacement, I needed to uninstall all of them again. There was not a way to select specifically which apps to restore.

Maybe this is different now, since that was around the end of September.

Or Maybe it was because I was restoring to a new phone where after a flash it is still the same phone.

As I was typing this, RoboDad posted above. Since I had only had it a month when I restored, I did not have a ton of apps yet. So, in my case it restored everything, but if there is a threshold, then it makes sense that for others, it would not. It also makes sense that apps purchased through the phone or website won't restore, since Zune doesn't know about them. I have only needed to restore the 1 time and had not installed anything through the website. I don't think that option was available yet.

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iTunes Syncs all this with your phone after it is installed on your phone. And you can completely set up where you want all the icons using your PC, instead of doing it on the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I made my purchases through the phone, so maybe that is why there is no restoration.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Makes sense. Hopefully Apollo will do something like the iPhone regarding the backup up purchased software, no matter how it was purcased. For now it is definately an iPhone advantage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Weren't there rumours around them hiring new staff for full-back up in next OS version? Probably Apollo might bring superior back because some blogs claimed it might also be capable to back sms, call logs and games data/achievements etc!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
If your apps don't restore via automatic (like if you bought them from the web based app) go to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/

Choose my phone and sign in

Choose account

Choose each app and hit reinstall (you have to do it individually and the list starts from last one you downloaded rather from phone or online to first)

Use download via messaging.

App will show up on phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I still think the advantage is for iPhone, but I am going to change it be

Better backup and restore system. (backs up more than just purchased apps and everything can be in iTunes or the iCloud by user choice)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I'm not really sure if/why people don't see the benefits of full phone (system and user space, plus apps) to the sdcard and/or computer as a requirement microsoft -needs- to do yesterday.

I have trouble believing microsoft didn't have a "Plan B" for if/when people starting asking for full-phone backups to the sdcard. The same sdcard that we've been told will only work in the original phone without completely wiping out the contents of the card when placed into another phone.

Any ideas ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] geekladyemjay:
WP7 text messages won't send if you go over character limit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Thats not true!

I send essays in some of my texts!
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Although an SD card backup would probably be a good idea and many do see the benefit...

That discussion is not what this thread is about. A new thread or an existing thread on that topic is where it belongs. If you find one or make one, feel free to update your post with a link to it.

This thread is about the comparisons advantages / disadvantages / differences between Windows Phone 7 with Mango and iPhone 4S.

Neither have SD card backup and restore so it's not an advantage, disadvantage, or difference for either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
If you are going to make statements about the limitations of a platform, please verify it. If you are unable to verify because you do not have that type of phone, consider wording it differently in a way that you can verify.

Such as: The iPhone 4S will send text messages, even if the length is greater than 160 characters.

If there is a larger limit that you know (not read somewhere) does not work with Windows Phone 7, include that number.

Such as: Windows Phone 7 with Mango does not send text messages where the length is greater than 32768 characters.

Also, it is possible that there is a geographic limitation. In User CP, you can set your country and carrier so others know this information.

In the United States with AT&T, I never encountered any text message size limitatation with my LG Quantum using Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Never happen to me. Did you send the sms to multiple recipients? If yes, please check your messaging setting if you enabled group text, disable it, or it will send multiple recipients sms by using data. But if you turn off your data connection with group text enabled, sure it will failed to send the text out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CADude:
Mango can't quite compete yet but Apollo along with a slew of Nokia devices and over 100k apps will finally make it a three horse race between iOS, Android and WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Maric:
The entire post below was a little before the iPhone 4S release and the time was rocking a Samsung Focus. Here what my issue was a few months back.

I am coming from an iPhone 1 and then 4 and for the most part love the new slick user interface. I did a post about my experience on here at this post:

Honest Critique of Samsung Focus Coming From iPhone 4

However the deal-breaker for me that might get me to get another iPhone 5(before I knew it was iPhone 4S) is the lack of a solid Map App. I understand it's up to Google Maps to put out an application which will most likely never happen. However if Microsoft is seriously taking a run for the Search/Advertising market it desperately needs to ramp up its Bing Maps. Bing Maps is pretty atrocious as it stands now.

Just doing basic searches for gas station will a yield results miles away from your location when there is clearly one less than a mile away. I understand that ads are their business model, however don't completely remove results from searches especially when oriented in a small map location.

This become clear when I was low on gas and was in the Pasadena/Altadena area which is not a rural area in Los Angeles. I manage to get a result from Bing Maps however on my way to the gas station result I manage to find a gas station right off the freeway. The result was still pointing me further down another mile. I even tried searching for "gas station" while fueling, and still Bing Maps promptly pointed me to another gas station a mile away. This is unacceptable. I tested out the Garmin App which yielded even more gas stations much closer what Bing Maps was given me, including the gas station I was fueling.

Also use Yelp a ton for searching new places since I'm constantly driving around new areas. I also travel about every four months to new cities around the states. Yelp and Google Maps were crucial to me. Yelp was probably more important to me since it provided user reviews, and photos. I could live without the Google Maps if the Yelp app at least was up to par with iPhone and Android offering. Again I understand it's up to Yelp developers to put out a solid application, however this is probably the most important 3rd party app that needs to be supported.

I am taking a trip to NYC(not my first time) around Halloween which I will be out there for about a week. The fact that Bing Maps has performed so poorly just around Los Angeles has me nervous enough to consider going back to iPhone. Also the lack of MTA directions on Bing Maps might be just enough for me to switch back. Seriously Bing Maps is probably Windows Phone 7 biggest issue in my opinion, even more so than multitasking, and all the other features coming with Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CADude:
Apple is developing its own mapping solution, so that won't be a problem next year I imagine. Bing maps need to step it up too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Maric:
It has become a battle of services. It's clear that Google understand this and refuses to support Windows Phone 7 platform. I am sure if they somehow could remove Google Maps from iOS they would have done this a long time ago. I'm sure the backlash would be tremendous.

This is why supporting Microsoft services on iOS goes against the interest of WP7 platform. It's as though Microsoft doesn't really believe WP7 platform will ever gain competitive market share relative to iOS and Android.

I know that both Microsoft and Google tried to acquire Yelp. Thankfully Yelp refused Google given their anti-competitive practices. Just look at the Metrotube and HTC Youtube fiasco. I believe Yelp has become an even more vital acquisition for Microsoft given its deplorable Bing services.

I think it's time for Microsoft to start their own video hosting services given Google's practices. I do believe that Apple and Microsoft are missing a huge opportunity in the video hosting service.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Last 4 posts and general thread information

Maps (Bing and iPhone Maps) in general for both platforms do not always give good results. My iPhone 4S could not find some stores or gas stations with in miles of where I live. My Quantum with Mango and Bing maps could not find some within miles of work. Both platforms excel and fail depending on the location.

I expect that both will improve with time. Speculation of this and any other developments for other apps or OS improvements are for a different thread.

This thread is not about Android in any way. It is also not about business practices. There are other threads for that. I agree with some of the points brought up. They are just better discussed in another thread.

Why do I care so much that things remain on topic?

I receive email notifications with each post by choice. Why? So that I can take time to evaluate and update the 1st 10 posts as needed. If the thread gets too many off topic posts or off topic info, then this becomes more difficult.

Thus far, it has been pretty managable. But, the thread is not a catch all for all discussion related to iPhones, Mango, Android, Apple, Microsoft, and Google.

It could be considered an advantage to iPhone that on January 1st there will be no YouTube player for Mango that supports HD video. Although that is in the future and therefore speculative, both MetroTube and Microsoft have both stated this. Links to the discussion threads for this would be good and appropriate.

So, from the last 4 posts I will add to iPhones advantages:

On January 1st there will be no YouTube player for Mango that supports HD video.

I will add to the similarities section:

Using either Bing on Mango or Maps on the iPhone to find nearby locations often times does not find the closest option. Each is better or worse depending on the location.

I did also learn of an app from the posts. Yelp. I had never used it before. I just installed it on my LG Quantum (Mango) and my iPhone 4S. Works great on both. Adding it to the apps post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Mango advantage

I just added this.

Ability to directly share a photo in Facebook, while viewing the photo and not first being in Facebook.

iPhone otions from a photo are Email, Message, Assign to Contact, Use as Wallpaper, Tweet, and Print.

Mango options are Share which brings another menu, share on Facebook, use as wallpaper, delete, apps, add to favorites, auto-fix

Share lets you message, email, post to facebook, SkyDrive, abd SmartShare.

I think you can tweet as well, if you set that up. (Please someone please confirm.)

apps will list any apps where they are meant to work with photos.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I just wanted to (again) thank you for maintaining this thread. Santa was very good to me this Christmas, and I received both an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4S. I've been spending a bit of time comparing the two OSes, and I am surprised to find more similarities than differences. To be sure, there are differences (some favor iOS, and some favor WP7), the overall OS design philosophies (not the UI design philosophies) are very similar.

One thing I have found that could be considered a plus for iOS (although I'm not sure, since GPS isn't allowed yet as a background task on WP7), is the ability to enable and disable location services on a per-app basis in settings.

The same capability for enabling and disabling push notifications on a per-app basis is a plus on iOS (for me).

Email settings, on the other hand, are much more flexible on WP7 than on iOS in some areas. Multiple selectable linked in-boxes are supported (as already noted), but there is also the ability to set the fetch frequency and enable or disable push email on a per-account basis, where on iOS it is a system-wide setting.

However, setting up caldav and subscribed calendars in iOS is a snap, where that capability doesn't even exist on WP7 that I can find (someone please correct me if I am wrong). And the calendar app on iOS is far superior to the one on WP7, although BOTH still lack the ability to create complex repeat patterns for appointments.

I'll try to add more observations as I encounter them. What I will say though is that, for now at least, my iPhone is going to be my daily driver. There are things I want/need to be able to do with my phone (such as check my work calendar) that are not possible with WP7 at this time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
It goes beyond that...

share with facebook - can be changed from settings and you can select what your default sharing app is going to be. It's in settings - background tasks and then photo&video.

So when you are in a photo, you click ...

you get share...

you get share with 'default whatever you selected, for me facebook'.

If you select share... you get all the options where you possibly can share - includes apps e.g. in my case

selecting share...

-messaging

-hotmail

-google mail

-yahoo mail

-rediffmail

-aol

-outlook

-boxshot free (drop box client - no need to open the app)

-evernote (again no app opening)

-facebook

-photofunia (photo editing, no app opening)

-skydrive (direct upload, no app opening)

-Twitter

-Whatsapp (no app opening)

-Wordpress (my blogging client)

This sums up what I've been talking since day 1 about 'I.N.T.E.G.R.A.T.I.O.N.' :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That is a definite advantage for WP7, but please try to keep your posts more objective, and less like you are proselytizing. Both OSes have pluses and minuses.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
:D haha funny you say that! Din't utter a word about any other OS or their minuses but provided information on what needed confirmation. It could probably be the way I presented the word 'integration'? And for proselytizing - I am faithless! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I have added the info from this to the posts and updated the linked inbox item to note that multiple linked inboxes are available. Thanks.

I added the caldav one, even though I don't yet know what it is.

For work I connect to an exchange server and both do that well for the calendar.

I am going to do a little reading on caldav.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Yep, that was the main thing that stuck out to me ;). The other thing was the way you listed each and every app that provides integration, when I think it would have sufficed to say that WP7 provides APIs that allow any app to seamlessly integrate into the camera and pictures hub, where iOS does not.

And I only mentioned it because JVH3 has gone to great lengths to avoid anything that even gives the "wrong impression" in this thread, because we all know how quickly threads can nosedive into flame wars. Everything about your post was technically accurate, but it might give someone the "wrong impression" because of the exuberance you used in posting it.

---------- Post added at 01:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:32 PM ----------

CalDAV is a calendar interface protocol. It allows you to provide a URL and authentication info for a remote calendar server, and then automatically sync calendar data between that server and your phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I didn't think the post was out of line. Although, it would have been sufficient to say any app, it wasn't done in a way to knock iOS or iOS users, and it did show current apps that integrate. It showed that some apps launch to do the work, while others are integrated in to just do the work. I.N.T.E.G.R.A.T.I.O.N could have been just integration. But, before the post, I didn't realize that the items in the normal list actually was dynamicly integrated with the apps. I only knew that the apps menu listed them.

I do appreciate the concern for keeping the thread on topic and not a flame zone. Because, I definately don't want it to become that. I am very happy that this thread has stayed clean this long. So many degenerate quickly.

And more so, I very much appreciate that information and contributions that you have provided to the thread.

Yep. Just did some googling. Is there any work around that I can put next to the item in iPhone advantages?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I'm not sure i understand the question. Workaround for what? CalDAV works on iOS, and (as far as I know) is not yet supported on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Is there anyway for something like Google Calendar to integrate with CalDav?

Then use the phone to connect to Google Calendar. I didn't see a way in the settings for Google Calendar, but thought there might be. If not, maybe there is another service that allows the phone to connect through exchange settings, while syncing with the real CalDav calendar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Ah, gotcha. Nothing I have tried has worked, but it is certainly possible that there is some way that I just don't know about :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Tested, if you had add your twitter account, you had the option to share via twitter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Comcast and Xfinity.tv

I was disappointed to find that almost no on demand video from comcast works for me.

I have my internet with Comcast with the Blast Extra package:

https://www.comcast.com/shop/buyflow2/productsexisting.cspx?SourcePage=Internet&&Inflow=1

Navigate to the Bundles Tab

This is supposed to give me full access to all on demand programming for the basic stations. And it does from my laptop.

But, I cannot view any videos with Windows Phone 7, because it uses flash. This is expected, since there is not an app for it.

But, on my iPhone, I also cannot access it, because it says it requires a subscription. It's obviously a flaw in the app. It does let me view some videos. I have reported the problem through iTunes, so hopefully they correct it.

Trying to view it through Safari says the video can only be played through the app on my phone.

Advantage is still iPhone, but the app does not deliver all the shows that it should.

I added this to the iPhone advantaes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Directv

Both have apps to manage Directv DVR recording.

Directv does not have an app to stream on demand content for either platform. On demand programming uses your existing internet connection, so this should be possible for them to do.

There is a thing called Nomad that can connect to the DVR, but it's $150. The iPhone has an app to copy the content.

Not sure if this advantage is even worth mentioning, since it's $150 to just get recorded shows from the DVR to the phone.

I only checked this, because I have Directv for my TVs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Thanks for posting that. You reminded me that I forgot to mention that there is an app from Dish Network for the iPhone that allows you to manage your DVR, as well as stream recorded programs on your phone if your DVR provides streaming capability (most newer ones do, but not all). There is no word on when the app will be available for WP7, so I guess that's an advantage for the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Regarding the backup solutions on WP7

I was speaking to the MyPhone development team before it got pulled and they were all being moved to WP development.

So probably come Apollo WP will have a competative backup system, but for now, iOS has the backup edge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] madonion:
iPhone is still kinda ahead in several important areas.

Notifications are better in iOS

Browser has more features, renders better

Cloud stuff seems to be better like being able to see history of download from app store

Backup and restore seems much more advanced.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
This thread is not about Android. If you want to post about Android, find a thread about it, or create your own. Post 1 clearly states this. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt this time, but any future attempts to hy-jack this thread will be reported. They are not appreciated.

I know you know of these threads, because you have posted in most of them.

Your other 2 recent posts lead me to think this is an attempt to bait. If so, it is not appreciated.

DirecTV DVR management and getting videos from the DVR to other devices including phones is completely different than putting videos from your PC to the Cloud for viewing on other devices or at other locations.

Your post came across as if you were hoping the answer was that you cannot. I've seen other threads with video, and Mango, and SkyDrive discussed. I also found this post of yours leading me to believe you thought the answer was that you could not, even though you were quoting the main content.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16825445&postcount=8

As an FYI, you can stream video directly from Sky Drive using the Office Hub which is in every Windows phone 7 device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWWxVIbXTk

I consider all 3 of these posts to be attemps to bait or Hy-Jack the thread. I will not hesitate to report any of your posts in the future.--
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I added this. I also added the DirecTV Nomad to the same line, since they are related and it's unlikely that most or even many users would have both DirecTV and Dish Network at the same time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
A Mango advantage

Pictures taken on the phone display properly on the PC. iPhone uses EXIF to set the rotation, which Windows does not support. Nor does Firefox or any browser than Safari.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You're going to have to clarify this one for me. Are you faulting the iPhone because it follows an industry standard for image metadata that Windows fails to support (but both Picasa and Photoshop fully support, and both render iPhone photos perfectly)?

To me, that is silly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
got any idea how wp7 geotags it's pictures if it doesn't support exif ?

from wiki:

JPEG photos

With photos stored in JPEG file format, the geotag information is typically embedded in the metadata (stored in Exchangeable image file format (EXIF) or Extensible Metadata Platform (XMP) format). These data are not visible in the picture itself but are read and written by special programs and most digital cameras and modern scanners. Latitude and longitude are stored in units of degrees with decimals.[5] This geotag information can be read by many programs, such as the cross-platform open source ExifTool.