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[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Im gonna go ahead and tell you that you can't be more wrong with this. They, HTC, tell you your warranty is void when you unlock your phone. This has nothing to do with the # of phones Sprint/Assurance have to deal with that are unlocked but STILL covered under TEP. Flashing radios has NOTHING to do with people doing it and hitting towers Sprint doesn't want them to. That is purely 100% PRL related and has nothing to do with the radio version at all.

The issue is when people mess around flashing a wrong/bad radio on their phone which bricks it. Like a GSM radio, or radio from a completely different phone being flashed onto your CDMA phone. Go do that and let me know what happens.....bricked device. And after you have messed up your phone and bricked it by flashing a bad/wrong radio image then you can take your phone into sprint and get a new one under TEP. Guess what. That costs them $$$$$. Limit that instance from happening then you save money. Smart move for Sprint.

Now what exactly can you NOT do with your 1.50 bootloader Unlocked but no S-Off? last I checked you can still get radio updates, via OTA's and relocking, and still flash kernels via fastboot.(likely another precaution taken to limit the # of devices messed up from kernels and it insures that ppl that are flashing them least have some knowledge of what they are doing.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
So why exactly would HTC care if Sprint's insurance provider replaces bricked phones? Your argument isn't making sense to me. The customer pays the insurance costs, not Sprint and certainly not HTC. The customer pays the monthly fee as set by the insurance company, and the customer pays the deductible as set by the insurance company. It doesn't cost HTC a penny when someone has the insurance replace their phone.

What can't I do using HTC's half assed unlock? I can't flash a ROM/kernel/radio without taking tons of time and connecting to a computer, and I have to void my warranty to even do that.

My Evo 4G reception got a LOT better when I started flashing radios. As did every phone I had before that. I can sit my old Evo 4G next to my Evo 3D right now and my old Evo 4G has full bars, Evo 3D has 2 bars. That's why flashing radios is important.

Go look at the Evo 4G ROMs. You'll see many of them come with a radio, or at least suggest a radio to use with that ROM. Too bad that isn't really feasible with HTC's half assed unlock method on the Evo 3D.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
They care b/c Sprint tells them thats what they want. period. dont forget Sprint gives them specific things they want in the phone and places restrictions on it. If they dont want to shell out mroe $$ for bricked phones then thats their right to do so. They already subsidize the heck out of the devices when you first get them. You only void your warranty with HTC not with Sprint.

As for the radios, you go ahead and flash your Evo4G radio on your Evo3D and see what happens. brick prolly

Flashing rom/kernel takes maybe 2min more time max once you get to a computer. Getting the upgraded radios takes lil longer b/c you have to relock and take OTA and then unlock from what i understand. Thats the only thing you can't do at will, and I understand why. It has nothing to do with connecting to towers they dont want you to. connecting to towers they dont want you to has 100% to do with PRL hacks and such.
[HTC EVO 3D] fanesxx:
I'm not worried at all, 1.5 will be s-off, this is what xda devs are made of, hacking is in the blood, hopefully they could work with the new ota, to found out some clues, I know they can do it, it won't be right away, but it'll come

EVO3DX
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I'm willing to bet it wont happen till the next device comes out. Then the devs will have more motivation to do such. But still regardless its not like you can't do everything you can now. just takes a lil more effort on the users part to get the end result.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Okay, now I'm going to go ahead and tell you that it's you who couldn't be more wrong.

Your warranty with Sprint is void too. As soon as you root your phone, you void your warranty. Period. Now Sprint may not care about that, and they may not enforce it too much, but that doesn't exactly help your argument that this is all about preventing bricked phones because of replacement cost. If Sprint (or HTC) was worried about the cost of replacing bricked phones, they would simply stop replacing bricked phones.

You have no idea what you're talking about with the radio. There were several radios I have flashed over the years that made huge differences in my performance. Yes, flashing the wrong one may brick your phone. Just like the wrong ROM or kernel may brick it too. Not sure why HTC or Sprint would care about that though if your warranty is void. On the other hand, it concerns me that Sprint and HTC are trying to dictate what I can or can't do with a device that I own.

As for the subsidy, it doesn't factor in at all. Subsidy is covered by the ETF. And they don't fully unlock it when you pay full price either.
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
I'm done here because you seem to not understand flashing all different radios IS dangerous. Go ahead and flash a radio from the evo4g or a gsm phone PB ur evo3d and let me kbow what happens.....BRICK. radios are 10x more dangerous than any rom you flash, never seen a brick from a ROM flash.

And they can't stop replacing bricked devices because they can't tell what caused the brick and have to honor the ones not caused by user error and rooting n such.
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
I could be wrong here but I think he is referring to radios specific to the phone he is or was using. I know when I had the fascinate I flashed a couple of radios (which was specific to the fascinate) because Samsung had a few different ones surface while I had it. Some have better data rates etc... As for flashing a radio not specific to your phone, not such a good idea! :)
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
Where are they flashing radios there??? They deff are not flashing modified radios at the least either.

Also where are you getting modified radios to flash on your evo4g? only thing ive herd of when i had that phone to increase wimax/4G speed was switching over to clearwire in the settings which did NOT req a diff radio flashed, just settings changed manually in the phone itself.

again, im no troll and am prob the farthest from one you will find. Check my history posting, im no fool here kid.

im done with this petty argument again as it doesn't matter wtf is going on as you can do 99.999% everything us s-off users can do just fine.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
You're wrong on most of what you said. I am not going to get into this with you as you have no idea what you're talking about but refuse to accept that.

I'll just say this: I'm no noob. You can see I've been on this site for about 7 years now. I probably have more experience than you flashing ROMs, radios, etc. And if this is only your second HTC phone then I definitely have more experience with HTC phones than you.

Requiring people to learn and use ADB for every ROM they flash is ridiculous. I posted a link in my last post to an Evo 4G ROM that includes a radio and a second Wimax radio, which can be flashed in one simple step without going anywhere near a computer. And it has almost 200 pages and I couldn't find a single brick. There are plenty of similar ROMs (including a radio) and also plenty that include a kernel. For you to claim this is "dangerous" is ridiculous.

Most of us are trying to get rid of computers. That's why we started using these huge phones in the first place. And we never needed computers to flash this stuff until the Evo 3D. For you to say we should be required to use a computer to do it, and take 5 times longer than normal, is ridiculous. Like I said, you can see I've been on this site for 7 years now, so I don't need to be forced to use a computer for my own safety. And neither did anyone in the 193 pages of that Evo 4G ROM (which includes a radio) that I posted.

Changing the radio can absolutely give you better performance and better connections. If you disagree then you obviously aren't qualified to be preaching to anyone here.

You show me a 3D phone with the specs of this Evo 3D if you are going to keep telling me to get a different phone.

EDIT:

One more thing. You say we should all just be happy that we even have a half assed method to unlock the phone. As if we should just shut up and accept it like sheep or something. Are you aware that when this phone was announced it was totally locked down, with no way to unlock it whatsoever. But the people (mostly from this site) *****ed about it so much HTC caved and promised to give us a way to unlock it. Too bad it's this half assed way. But HTC proved that us *****ing DOES work. So for you to have that "shut up and accept it" attitude is really counter productive. I'm not even sure why you came into this thread in the first place if you are so against everyone getting their phone fully unlocked.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
You continually demonstrate that you don't know what the heck you're talking about, yet you say it over and over like it's fact or something.

Here's a fact for you: *****ing DID get results and that's why you have the half assed unlock on your phone right now. People, mostly from this very site, *****ed and complained. HTC listened, and gave us the half assed unlock method.

Here's another fact: people on this very site have been flashing radios on HTC phones since day 1. There is no more risk than flashing a ROM, and you can get great results from doing it. You claiming it's so dangerous with no reward is laughable.

Here's another fact: I agree that the Evo 4G had more development in a month than the Evo 3D will have in a year. And you'd have to be a total moron to not think the Evo 3D being locked down is a huge reason why. And by the way, every HTC phone used to get lots of development like the Evo 4G. This Evo 3D (and the new generation that released around the same time) are the first ones that didn't get much development. Why? Probably because they're locked down.

And yes, my time is important. I don't always have time to make flashing a ROM into a whole ordeal. Myself and plenty of others have been doing it just fine, for many years now, with little risk, no bricks, plenty of reward, and without a computer.

Why are you even in this thread?
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
I only brought up join date because you started calling everyone noobs saying we were wrong and needed adb and all that other crap. I just merely pointed out that I can prove I've probably been doing it longer than you, so don't come in here acting like I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't pretend to know everything and I have no problem asking questions when I need to. But you've been full of it from the start and I have no problem calling you on that either.

Again, we have been doing this for 7 years now. We don't need your BS about how high risk/low reward you claim it is. We know the process, risk, and reward because we've done it more times than we could ever count. And you're wrong. The risk is so low I've never seen one bricked that couldn't be fixed, the reward is so great I saw my own 4G speed triple, and the process was so easy I could do it on my phone while at work if I wanted. And people do care, that's why we have this thread.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
you need to go back I NEVER said flashing radios where dangerous than ROMS! lol you need to learn how to read... now results can VARY due to the location of the user.... you obviously have no idea what your talking about... if you think anyone that flashes the same radio will experience the same results....

stop being so simple minded god now i can see why sgt. stopped arguing with you as im going to do... you are one of the most worthless users ive ever seen in any of the 15 forums i HELPED and worked in.... continue waiting for 1.5 S-off and complaining about it cuz it might just come due to all of the ignorant arrogant and useless responses you posted indirectly and directly to me... even if i wasnt the person that said all of the thing you direct your comments to you are still a RANDOM to me...

ok first off i can see you have been around xda so much you learned how to edit instead of quoting ANOTHER post

calling me out on opinion vs fact fine... ill admit when im proven wrong but my experience with radios has been short lived as it did nothing MAJOR to improve signal strength or data speeds... great that you got the long stick in the gamble...

and who the **** are you speaking for? not everyone in this thread is as "experienced and god like" like you.. some people are just entering this forum to see what the progress is and may have NEVER rooted a phone and looking to learn... god im done good luck with all your radio flashing dreams and paper trails on 1.5hboot
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Just noticed this post. Posting from my phone so it was hard to notice.

Did you even look at the link??? Are you seriously asking where they are flashing radios in that link? Look again. That is a ROM that includes a radio and a Wimax radio, all in one package.
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
Who am I speaking for? The people who want s-off. You know, the people who watch threads like this one. Not the people who come in and say "this is only my second HTC phone and I think you should just shut up and be happy you even have the half assed unlock method" (you get the point).

But the people who are saying "this is my 5th HTC phone in the last 2 years alone, and I've had almost all of the HTC phones in the USA since the PPC-6600. Out of all those phones, this is the first one that hasn't been fully unlocked yet." Those type of people are watching these threads. If those type of people weren't out there, threads like this would never even get started.

EDIT:

Speaking of the PPC-6600, here's an interesting history lesson for you...

That was the first EVDO phone sold in the USA. Sprint chose not to enable the EVDO on their model. Instead, they lied and said it wasn't compatible. Verizon enabled it on theirs though. The community took the radio from the Verizon model, modified it for Sprint, and flashed it to their Sprint phones. This worked, and Sprint customers had their first 3G phone. Perfect example of a radio making a huge difference.

Sprint later blocked the ESNs of all those 6600s from the EVDO network so the data stopped working. But the fact remains it worked for a while, and showed the EVDO signal even when it stopped working.
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
ok its still not getting to me so i had to come back and face the all mighty HTC owner and XDA user who cant figure out how to edit in quote to previous post instead of making a whole new post just to quote it (aka you)

you havent owned the 3d for very long... so you have no idea what it was like to WAIT for real s-off like alot of us who have been here since launch

some jumped ship and came back to find s-off or htc method if they got a 1.5hboot some stayed gone..

and you said it your self you have owned all major HTC phones since the PPC-6600

so welcome to the NEW age of unlocking VIA manufacturer! it works... it does all the IMPORTANT things

yet you still complain about the two things it cant do.... well i dont see you doing ANYTHING about it yet start debates and base your facts/ideas on join date... i want to see testimonials that flashing radios improves EVERYONES signal/data speeds...

your comparing yesterday to TODAY it doesnt work like that and frankly makes you sound childish... just because your last phone did something doesnt mean this one will this is a kind a new phone... but right now for anyone on 1.5hboot THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION

stop trying to justify all of your comments on your join date and experience with HTC phones when you said it your self this is the first phone you owned that is HTC and isnt unlocked... so if anything your the one here with no experience...

the only reason i say "shut up and be happy that we atleast have this" is because im a "glass half full" guy

and it could be 100% worse for anyone with new Hboot's

and the fact that IT WILL NOT HAPPEN

so if you cant deal with it stop debating with me and do something about it... im fine with my "half assed unlock" as i know how to avoid the void (lol)

and deal with the ugly stock splash screen/radio until there is a unlock because i cannot HAXOR the greatest but am pretty good with themes and samsung kernels/roms

DOES HTC OWE YOU A S-OFF BOOTLOADER?

DOES THE DEVELOPERS OWE YOU A S-OFF BOOTLOADER?

im still learning HTC software and the ins and outs of it but its better than expecting handouts like you
[HTC EVO 3D] WatermelonSlim:
A couple things...

1: I'm posting from my phone. If my finger hits reply instead of edit, my bad. Multi quoting doesn't always work well in tapatalk.

2: I had the Evo 3D before it even launched. Sprint let premiere customers buy it a few days early, and I did. I am well aware of waiting for the half assed unlock. Do you remember why we got the half assed unlock? Because of all the complaining about it being locked on the internet. Do you know where all that complaining started and the campaign organized? Right here on XDA. So you acting like nobody cares and complaining is pointless is actually very counter productive. I say if you don't care, then go not care. No need to come troll a thread made for people who do care.

3: This may be the new HTC way, but HTC has already shown they listen when the community speaks. So it doesn't have to be the way next time. And if it is, then I'll buy a Samsung or Motorola or something.

4: You want to see testimonials about radios? People in this very thread have said it improved for them. I posted about the PPC-6600 getting EVDO, you don't think that's an improvement? Go into that link I posted for the ROM with the included radio. I doubt it would be 193 pages long if it didn't improve anything. Go ask the ROM cook why he bothered to include a radio.

5: I'm not asking for a handout. I bought my phone. I'm not renting this phone. Who the heck is HTC to tell me what I can or can't do with my phone? Darn right they owe me an s-off if I want my phone to have s-off. Maybe they don't owe it to me, but they do at least owe it to me that they won't try to prevent me from ever getting s-off.

6: You keep saying it will "never happen" like that's a fact. I hope you'll be in here admitting you were wrong when it does happen.
[HTC EVO 3D] J_apa_n:
Slim & Nate,

you guys are arguing over bullsh!t!!!!!!!!

i hop on here to find out about the progress of the hboot unlock, not to read your "lovers" spat over radios & htc fanboy crap.

i could give 2 f*#k's about how long who had their phone, if it's hboot 1.50 & s-off

then by all means keep talking.

bottom line fellas, quit showing your "inner-B!#ch" ( NO DISRESPECT)

Now has anyone heard an update on how the unlock is going?
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
best bet is to check the teams page that is working on it... but again

not to much has been said ever since devnull opened the "think tank"

and sorry to anyone trying to find a update and had to dig through the mess that this thread turned into... but their hasnt been any new in almost 2 weeks that would show good things other than the "where 95% done" thing

maybe slim is really mad that he cant have full s-off and decided to have a throw down...

my only reason for my actions/comments is to hopefully get people to warm up to the idea of HTC method

rather than hope and pray a "developer" that has been banned from all major phone development forums will come through for them....

but that is another topic and thread worth of bull ****

so im out of this one fellas ill still look for any new and try to post it here rather than debate everything that has been said as im sure other people within a few days will come in here and comment on everything and stir up the debates again but i will stay out of it and stick to the development section as its alot less of a headache vs the know it all's in general

ICS CANT COME FAST ENOUGH
[HTC EVO 3D] rudygetz:
The last two pages was the epitomy of pissing contest/crap posts.

I hope this gets done soon, I hate my Evo3d
[HTC EVO 3D] fanesxx:
lmao, yeah i know what you mean, like having a ferrari stuck on 1st gear, all that power can't get to the next level
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
Or like a chevette, no power and trying to pull out in 4th gear!
[HTC EVO 3D] zongsheng:
s-off to do?
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
I still don't understand how flashing a radio/splash screen will give you "power"

HTC method ftw
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
HA! No man you got it wrong. Its like putting stickers on your civic? You know 15 horsepower per sticker, umm or a cb in a coupe deville and I have no ideal or is it "idea" where I'm going with this?! Yeah I'm tired, goodnight fellow xdaians! Btw, I went htc method a while back and I'm happy. (Although s-off would be nice but it is what it is)
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
lol yeah i guess i see the comparison as i have alot of stickers on my SUV for sub comps/sponsors and general products i use... so that mean i gain more db'z LOL

i use to rice it up in my 93 talon tsi but never had stickers... straight flat black sleeper with a black front mount and kept it pretty stock on the outside

no big gook flute or chorme windshield wipers lol
[HTC EVO 3D] Jrex:
ahhh yes the tsi, I've had it handed to me a couple of times by those turbo'd all wheel drive monsters. I think i will continue to sport the infamous Taurus Sho. Easy driving, bells and whistles, decent power and a huge trunk! (subs, amps, bodies, no problem) wow this thread got hijacked..
[HTC EVO 3D] J_apa_n:
really

lmao, nate called it.

most of the people posting may not trully understand why they want s-off.

if you want s-off just to flash a boot screen k.y.s.

i used the htc method, it works out well. my only beef is that ...... I CANT FLASH A NEW RADIO WITHOUT BRICKING MY PHONE.

i dont mind using adb to flash, it makes me feel smarter...lol

plus it helps noobs understand just a lil bit more on how to use the sdk

so ask yourself, do you want s-off for cosmetic or convenience
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
The radios I've seen around here in this forum are just stock... won't do much and even with a modified one their is no way you will get the same results as someone else...

Roaming prl will do more than a modified radio and I believe that can be done without root. Thanks for understanding it as a "whole picture" I will give you a thanks when I'm on my comp.

I'm looking at it as a community... old users, new users, ventrans, or newbz

Others see it as EVERYONE here has modified a phone before

MIUI Powered Shooter
[HTC EVO 3D] mugetsu666:
Just read Most of these post and as a noob, to the 3d, I thought I'd chime in. I'm using the htc method and it"s really not all that bad. Like what was said, I wished I could change my stupid splash screen, but it's not that big of a damn deal. I can still flash roms and customize my phone and have fun doing it. I appreate all the older memebers and dev for there help and knoweldge for making my 3d experience more enjoyable. So to all of those who can stop whinning about it... Get over it, at least u can still mod ur phone!
[HTC EVO 3D] sgt. slaughter:
for the splash screen can you guys not just navigate via root explorer and drop the bootanimation files in there?
[HTC EVO 3D] nate420:
Never tried I don't mind a bright white HTC screen as I only see it a handful of times in a week

MIUI Powered Shooter
[HTC EVO 3D] pstevep:
Not for splash you can't. You should be able to change the boot animation that way. But splash has to be flashed from fastboot or the IMG.zip like a recovery.
[HTC EVO 3D] mugetsu666:
I've tried the different ways to change it but I also saw a note in the splash screen changing forum where us hboot 1.50 can't change splash screens since we don't have s-off,but oh well it's not that big a deal.