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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I have already listed the integration as an advantage of Windows Phone.

And I have listed the apps as an advantage for the iPhone.

With my iPhone, I have just tried about 6 to 8 fitness apps to track weight lifting workouts. Even bought a couple that were junk, because there were not trial versions of some. The one I found best for the iPhone is Fitness Builder. It's not available for Windows Phone.

I don't know if there is a good app to do this for Windows Phone, but it is nice that you can try any Windows Phone app before buying (thinking this was true through the site, correct me if I am wrong). What is nice about the iPhone is that there are more app to accomplish various tasks. If only all had trial versions.

But, I think iPhone users just don't care if they throw a little money away in search of the app that they really want. It didn't bug me too much.

Heck, I even buy songs through iTunes from Shazaam links, even though it is more expensive, because it is more convenient,
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Another advantage, now that Sky Drive has been updated and has a desktop client is the ease of synchronization between files on the phone and computer. This has been a complaint of people for a long time, that's no longer an issue.

Now, I can type up a recipe that I find online into a word doc, save it to my recipes folder (now conveniently located in my SkyDrive synced folder), and it's available to my phone in mere moments. I also have an account with a chocolate store where they pay me for my services in half cash and half chocolate (other stuff, too). They let me track everything myself and it's been done on paper for years. Just yesterday, I transferred the last few months into an excel spreadsheet that would keep a running balance for me (now pinned to my start screen). I've also moved my individual files for each business member (client notes), into tabs in that same file. Now, ALL of it is available to me and constantly synced.

To me... the new and improved SkyDrive is a massive advantage.

p.s. - I did read through the posts and couldn't find that you added it yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hemlocke:
iCloud, Evernote, Dropbox, and the list goes on will also do this on iPhone, so not really an advantage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Oh, duh. Forgot about iCloud. Has that thing been improved yet where one can actually manage the cloud from the cloud?

I guess this just drops the advantage back down to the Office integration and the lack of requiring pricey apps to open/edit the docs and spreadsheets.

Hmmm... what about native scanning of QR codes w/o requiring an app to do so? Someone took advantage of that feature and actually wrote a little script that works as a favorite and generates a QR code from whatever site you're on. Can scan it with the phone and see the page rather than typing URL or emailing link. This is an Android example I'm about to give, but I was waiting for the bus the other day when a legally blind woman asked me to help her install an app on her new Droid that would allow her to have full integration of voice into SMS. She didn't know what she was doing and I ended up searching online for something better than what's app. Found a solution, but couldn't find it in Play. So, made a QR code from within IE on my Lumia, but had to download a QR app for her phone first. The native ability on WP7 is just a nice touch... convenient.
[Windows Phone 7 General] duculetu:
Great feedback, just what i needed
[Windows Phone 7 General] wardoc22:
In the title, it looks like you are comparing an OS to a device,

a more appropriate name would be "MANGO vs IOS"

But yes, everything you say here is true.

But it all boil down to opinions. I jumped on the windows phone 7 bandwagon for many reasons:

-because I got really sick of IOS ui.

- Already too many people using the iphone which gets annoying. And probably 3 of 10 of them(at my high school at least), their screen is cracked.

-The iphone 4/s design just feels really weird in my hands. Yea I know the glass is completely flat, but when you hold it in your hands, the edges seems to be raised upwards a little which is very uncomfortable to me.

- Battery meter in IOS is completely ****ed up. Being an ipod touch 3rd gen 32gb user for around 3 years, I have learn to take the battery meter with a pinch of salt. So has some of my other "knowledgeable" friends with their iphones.

The first problem I have with the battery meter when the percentage is enabled is that it doesn't go down in steps(doesn't go down by 1%). Rather it goes down in completely random numbers. Like you will never ever see a number such(forgive me if I am wrong about some numbers, you get the point though) 95%, or 46%, or 23%, but rather it displays numbers that I have no clue how it calculated, the only numbers I have only seen so far is 99%, 97%, 93%, then it skips all the 80's expect for 88%, etc.

Second problem I have about the battery meter concerning it's accuracy is that once it displays 2%, it'll literally last for another hour to hour and a half; same amount of time it took to get down that low.

This post concerning windows phone 7 and ios is all based upon my experience with a lumia 710 and an ipod touch 3rd gen. I know that windows phone 7 is still lacking a lot of features and apps that ios has, but I have high hopes for it
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Lol, at the cracked iphone screen. I'm certain everyone knows someone or seen someone with a cracked iphone screen.

Sorry for the off topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I would not expect it to display every percent. I am guessing that it calculates it at a specific frequency or after a certain amount of processor activity. This would mean not all values would be displayed unless there was activity and very little real battery consumption.

The signal strength indicator does not update continuously either. After unlocking the device, you may see 4 bars or 4G, if that is what was there when you locked. You will see this for a few seconds, even if there is no longer a signal available.

These indicators do not update in real time or even multiple times per second. This conserves battery power, and is not needed for normal use.

Incidentally, while reading this, my iPhone's battery indicator was 23% and now it is 22%.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ctiger:
The camera was super on my friend's iPhone 4S compare to my Arrive, the camera on my Arrive is lagging, almost useless, even compare to the TP2 camera. It took too long time to focus, and to capture, and iPhone 4s' camera automatically trace the most possible(human faces) targets, and focus on those.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Gen 2 cameras aren't laggy. My titan is almost instant and can do face tracking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheMrBlue:
I prefer iOS when it comes to apps and ease-of-use. I think WP7 will catch up (remember the iPhone without app-store?)
[Windows Phone 7 General] alveena6:
Nice post thanks for sharing us such an informative post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bungee4CE:
For me the winner is WP7 (Mango), but that is more for peronal reasons.

I prefer the Windows Phone interface (coming from Symbian Anna / Belle) as after you have spent a little time with the WP7 OS you can see exactly why the tiles are so big on the Start Screen. Don't get me wrong. There are many limitations currently on WP7, including, but not limited to:

Limited, but ever growing app choice in the Marketplace.

Need for better Marketplace management from Microsoft.

Lack of BT API for developers

Lack of EQ

Single volume level accross all apps

Limited integration for 3rd party devs.

etc.

All that said I end up in a love/frustration relationship with my Lumia 800 at times, but that is because I have to acknowledge the Nokia/Microsoft relationship when it comes to WP is like my 3yr old son. Well behaved doing what you want it to do most of the time, but has it's limitations due to limited time on this world. Hopefully the capability of WP will increase as those of my son do. :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
A reminder to all:

This thread is not an opinion thread on what platform you prefer. There are plenty of those, although many are closed.

No one needs to hear that you like a platform or don't like a platform. The site in itself has far too many members for everyone to chime in with an opinion.

The thread is not about which platform is better. It is about specific advantages and disadvantages (and some differences). To judge either platform as better or worse is far too subjective on what things the user finds important.

Also, if an advantage is already listed in the summary posts, there is no need to post it again. This just adds clutter and gives notifications that the thread has been updated, when nothing new was provided.

Spring has been very busy for me, so I may have missed updating the summary posts. If something should be in them that is not, please post.

Thanks,

JVH3
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Feel I need to correct this, even though that is not what the thread is for.

With Mango,

#1. You do not need to put the app on the start screen. You can run it from the list. Slide your thumb to the left.

#2. The list has search, so you can easily bring it down to a managable number.

#3. Apps you frequently use can easily be pinned to the start menu for even faster access.

#4. Some if not all can be launched by using your voice, which the iPhone with Siri cannot do.

Please correct me if I am wrong about #4 for the "if not all." I haven't played with my LG Quantum for a while, since it does not have service. I have read that people launch a flashlight app by voice with it. You cannot launch any app with Siri.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
You are correct with #4. Siri out of the box cannot open apps. (I think there is a way through jailbreak that you can but i'm not sure on that part)

I use the voice all the time to turn the flashlight on since htc's flashlight app defaults to on when you open it. So if i need to unlock my car door, i just hold the button on my phone and say "start flashlight"
[Windows Phone 7 General] kocco004:
Nice post. thanks to shared. :good:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hemlocke:
In iOS 6, Siri opens apps and does much more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
You mean is expected to do more... yeah and in Windows phone 8 i'm sure tellme will do WAY more... but neither of these are released yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hemlocke:
That is incorrect. IOS 6 is in beta release, just as Windows 8 has developer and consumer previews. I have used iOS 6, therefore it DOES, rather than WILL DO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alexboooom:
correct the title....mango is an update for the windows phone 7 OS...iphone 4s is just a phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Still beta as you cannot buy a Iphone with ios6 yet just as you cannot buy a windows phone 7.8 or 8 yet

Windows phone 8 has bitlocker encryption... betting iOS 6 doesn't... see my point?

And i'm sure Siri worked great before 100 million users were on it. Also i could compare it to the iphone 4 - not 4s... oh wait ios6 won't have siri on and iphone 4 or 3GS.

They could also decide siri is taking to much bandwidth or has to many issues in the beta and drop it, hence it's beta. Post it when it's released.

Oh and windows 8 developer and consumer previews is not Windows Phone 8. Only MS has those beta's and some select OEMS hence we know none of the consumer improvements and very little of the developer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TychoLitjens:
What I like about Mango is being able to swipe so much. Swiping really feels so much nicer than tapping! It's also way faster.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
I know this is OT, but if you like swiping you should try out Meego. I got the n9 when I needed tethering. I love the swipe interface so much that it's actually now my phone of choice over my Lumia 800, despite my Lumia having more of the functionality I prefer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jamzc92:
I also thought this when I saw the post. You can't really compare an OS to a phone? :S I think you (thread starter) mean Mango vs iOS :)

Why are you comparing a Phone OS to a PC OS? I'm pretty sure that iOS lacks features which Microsoft are going to provide with Windows Phone 8
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
iOS on the iPhone 4S is different than iOS on an iPhone 4

iOS on the iPhone 4S is different than iOS on an iPhone 4.

I am comparing Mango on cell phones, with iOS on an iPhone 4S. I specify the iPhone 4S because features such as Siri are not on the iPhone 4 even though it is the same version of iOS.

Although with the news on 6/20/2012 I am seeing less value to adding more to this thread. Fall is not that far away and Windows Phone 8 addresses so many of the complaints that people have with Windows Phone 7. Unless you need a new phone right now and you want a Windows Phone, I would wait until Windows Phone 8. Even if you need a new one right now, I would try to stay out of contract and just buy a used phone. Then get a phone with Windows Phone 8 when it is released.

The fact that new software targeting Windows Phone 8 will not run on Windows Phone 7 is an issue, since most people like apps. I suspect that most apps already released will continue having future updates targetting Mango, unless there is a strong reason to switch and target the Windows RT. But, there will be new apps that target Windows RT and some existing ones will be switched so that they can take work around restrictions that were in place for Mango developers. It may be that Windows Phone 7.8 that is going to be pushed onto Mango phones will support some of these new apps. But, there are no promises, and it was said that they won't.

A diffenence in the approach that Apple has taken is that apps written for iOS for the iPhone 4S run on iOS for the iPhone 4.

It's really unfortunate that the planned update for Mango phones does not include the full OS.

But, maybe some of the real geniuses on XDA will start making custom Windows Phone 8 ROMs for things like the Lumia 900.

Aside from why I called the thread title what it is, most of this is off topic, but I included it more for a reason why I am seeing less of a need to update it.

If someone wants to post comments on the Windows Phone 8 vs 7.8 upgrade, support for old devices, etc, feel free to post a link here, but I'd like the discussion of those side topics to be in another thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Cleanest thread in the wp7 forum. Congrats!
[Windows Phone 7 General] PabloW92:
I still think that iOS is better than WP, but the breach it getting closer
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
One an a half YEAR bump! That's got to win an award
[Windows Phone 7 General] PabloW92:
Bad thing is im stuck with 7.8 =/

Not sure if my next phone will be a WP, Android is getting better, and has all the apps already
[Windows Phone 7 General] Internet Ki Dunia:
internet ki dunia
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I agree that this will be a very useful thread for many people. Here's hoping everyone can keep it civil :).

I would, however, advise caution when using anecdotal evidence in support (or criticism) of features on either platform.

For example, regarding flashlight apps, it is true that there are now flashlight apps that work well on both phones. However, there are some currently supported WP models that do not feature an LED flash, and therefore cannot use any LED flashlight app. By contrast, all currently supported iPhone models do feature an LED flash, and therefore can use any flashlight app.

Also, you mentioned that you are unable to use A2DP on your iPhone. While I can't offer any advice to resolve your problem (not owning either an iPhone or a Pioneer 7000BT), I can say that there is ample evidence on the Internet that shows that the iPhone has offered A2DP support since iOS 3.0. However, there are some discussions out there about Pioneer users having issues, so there may be some specific incompatibility between the two brands, or possibly a bug in the A2DP implementation on one or both devices that causes them to not pair correctly.

As for the static temperature display on the iPhone weather app icon, it is a rather poor choice of icon design on Apple's part there. The icon is completely static, but is designed to look like other icons that feature a "live" badge. However, there is a free app in the app store called Fahrenheit that does provide that missing feature.

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Correct. The iOS version includes 288 levels, compared with 225 on WP. Also, iOS offers an in-app purchase of "The Mighty Eagle", a special bird that apparently can be used for a "total destruction" feature in the game.

And, of course, there are the Seasons and Rio variations of the game available on iOS that are absent on WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Yep, you can use some BT devices with the iPhone and they will play music, but the overall compatibility is quite bad on the iPhone. I own the Sony Ericsson MW600(which is great btw!). It works with the iPhone but it doesn't display the title and you can't ffw or rwd and also the call button doesn't work. BT on iPhone is more or less a matter of luck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
Here's some differences.

-Don't need an app to check Facebook posts or IMs

-Don't need an app to check movie showtimes etc

-Don't need an app to live scan music and barcodes etc.

-Don't need an app to find indoor maps and directions for certain malls.

-Don't need an app to find nearby places and restaurants.

-Don't need an app to have a complete public business phone book in my phone

-Don't need an app to do probably 75% of what people use apps for.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Here is some additions (some of which are posted previously but i wanted to make sure they were described so the op understands what we mean)

Me hub - don't forget this as it shows status and built in messenger + facebook wall

Picture hub-

Group texting- not sure if iphone has this

Xbox achievements and live titles

Bing vision for scanning barcode lookup built in with mango (i did notice though that shopsavy app for wp7 shows more local results

Bing music lookup where it will tell you what song is like shazam but built in

Voice search for internet which also integrates with maps. Hold voice, say address, press map button above web search and choose direction or local scout

Local scout built in to find eat and drink places near you - swipe left then to find events.

Camera under lock screen - I think iphone just got this but WP7 has a dedicated camera button

WP7 - edit notes in exchange 2010 meetings. Iphone can view it but cannot edit from what i have found. Makes my boss mad during meetings as i always have edit it for her with my phone lol.

WP7 pinnable email folders (Since mango) and linked inbox (not sure if iphone does this) I pin an email folder for my boss, directors and staff which i rely on heavily at work since i am the IT.

WP7 - supports full version of web outlook via browser (not lite version). handy if you need to access other office calendars. Not sure if latest iphone browser does

HTML5 native in browser lets you browse and play youtube if you sign up for html5 trial. Not sure if latest iphone does this.

Both support reading texts out loud although wp7 has it default disabled. ( don't want every text read to me especially when at work so that is fine with me lol)

WP7 - bigger fonts for those that don't want to squint. I didn't realize this till i recently looked at an iphone. The icons are so small along with text. Live tiles are so much easier to read. i used to be used to the smaller icons with wm6.5 but i must have gotten used to the bigger fonts.

I'll post more as i think of it
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Minimum Hardware Requirements for Windows Phone 7 does require a 5 MP camera with a flash. Are there phones that implement the flash using something other than an LED? If you know of some. Please list, so that I can mention that in the post. I will update the post to indicate that users that require an LED Flashlight app should make sure the phone has an LED flash.

Regarding my Pioneer 7000BT and A2DP. My Fuze, Tilt2, and Quantum all connected without any issue. Only my iPhone cannot connect to it. I will update the post to reflect that some blue tooth headsets can pair with the iPhone using A2DP. Users should verify this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Added piece that some games are available only for WP7 and some are available for iPhone that aren't available. I suspect that the list on both side is too large to manage.

Some apps run smoother on iPhone too. I may add something regarding this, but I haven't noticed a significant difference. In my opinion, both devices run apps very smoothly.

Added this to the advantage list.

Added details about background tasks and location updates.

Added this with a link to your post. When a free app does exist and integrates well, it's not a huge advantage to have it built in, but it is still an advantage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I had read that the iPhone supports HTML 5, but I am currently not seeing it render a project that does render on the iPad. I will need to verify this later.

It seems that I can edit notes in appointments fine on my iPhone.

Adding:

I am not seeing a way to launch the Camera with the iPhone when the screen is locked.

Although the iPhone does support a linked inbox, it does not support multiple linked inboxes or pinable inboxes. On my Windows phone, I keep my exchange accound seperate. Then, I link all my personal ones together.

Going to add something about the picture hub. It is an advantage to not need to know where the picture came from to see it one location.

Going to add something about the Me hub and integration with Facebook and Twitter.

Not Adding:

The iPhone does support group texting.

....

I ate to much Turkey today and am tired, so I am going to do this tomorrow.

Thanks for
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
That's exactly the issue. The HTC Mozart (and I think there may be others, but I'm not positive) use a Xenon flash that is incompatible with ANY flashlight app. The description of Flashlight-X even mentioned that model by name.

Yeah, it does sound like Apple really dropped the ball on A2DP. It sounds like some products pair perfectly with it, while others have varying degrees of incompatibility. Definitely worth noting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Isn't there an official HTC flashlight app?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
With iOS 5, they added the ability to launch the camera from the lock screen. Press the home button to wake the phone, and a camera icon appears next to the unlock slider. Tap the icon, and the camera app opens. It does take one more tap than on WP, but time-wise, it appears to be similar (since you have to hold the WP camera button for 2 seconds to auto-open it).

They also added the ability to use the volume up button as a quick shutter release once the camera is open.

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I think there is for the HD7, but it uses an LED flash.