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[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] bauwks:
BCB and BootCnt files on the bootdata partition

It might be the BCB file. When you boot into recovery by holding down the buttons, the secure bootloader also writes some parameters to the BCB file on the bootdata partition. I think if the recovery image doesn't clear the file (overwrite with all 0's) then the device will try again to boot into the recovery image on next power up. The "bootdata" partition just has a fat32 partition that can be mounted normally.

So note to all devs:

If a boot into any image (boot or recovery) is successful, the image should probably zero out the BCB and BootCnt files on the bootdata partition.

And for the love of your god, don't delete those files! If you delete those files then the secure bootloader will boot into the recovery partition until you replace them. (however those checks are skipped if you boot from SD card so recovery is still possible)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Goncezilla:
Thanks Bauwks. I'll take a look at that file and let you know what I find.

Sorry for not posting on in the Dev area but still not enough posts :(

Anyway, thanks again!
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
couple things i'm concerned with

i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?

how is the navigation?

thinking of getting the focus s

how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
yes there are a few google talk apps!

The nav isn't great but there are alternative apps that are good.

I personally love it, I remember you from the x10 forums.

Switching for me has been a great experience.

Never any lag, and a nice coherent fluid experience throughout the whole os.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dinuweera:
Try to get a focus 1.3, win7.5 is out for that currently. The win.5 is smooth and more easy to use than android
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
what is a focus 1.3?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.

I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
though dev unlocking does help with customization quite a bit as homebrew has workarounds.

The os really is a work of art imo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.

If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I used android for two years and love it...

Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?

I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
i just don't get why if him and n8ter hate it so much, they dont just get different phones?

Trade or something lol instead of spending all day complaining about it on here
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Its in reference to the REV # (on the ORIGINAL Focus phones), which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.

However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it.

*edit* Since you stated you wanted the Focus S, this isn't an issue :D

As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
he's looking at the focus s though...

Not an original focus
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.

Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.

This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.

Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.

You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
:confused:

Glad you could get your thoughts out 0_0
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..

It makes no sense..

The os is good, you're just a douche troll
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Whoops..missed that. Still relevant to his question though :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.

as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?

Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.

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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.

Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You said a lot there. The social integration and especially the IM function is second to none. I find WP7's messaging function much more convenient and just as easy to use, and just as useful, as Google's Talk. But FB account is needed to make it this way, for anyone interested.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
none of my apps lag..

What? If you tap it selects the word. If you hold the cursor marker comes up LOL

Smh
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Tell them the truth Vet. You are not only a dissatisfied user, you are a spurned WinMo developer. Every free thinker in the world has a personal opinion. Expressing one's opinion does not detach the words from human emotions.

Take an honest look at your post history. An honest one. Look at your posts outside this forum and then inside. Surprised someone would call you what he did?

"how bad is the transition from android to wp7?" - not the most positive outlook to have when considering a switch. Any reason why you are looking to leave Android?
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Stuff like that last line there is what's going to get you guys in trouble.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
That comment is only the tip of the iceberg... every post in here eventually becomes a flame/bait/troll/fanboy war, and it gets really tiresome and discouraging.

Call of Duty 7: The XDA Wars
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
you know you're a troll in the same way I know I'm a troll. Whether or not our arguments are valid, we're more than willing to force feed them to you. I mean, I feel exactly the same about android as you do wp7. I bought into it, tried to like it, hell, I used it for about 2 years just because I hated the iPhone and there were no other valid options for me. I mean in retrospect it was always terrible, but it was the best choice for me at the time. It lagged, always will, I saw a ridiculous amount of force closes, some of the games would get about 1 fps or not run at all, despite my desperate attempts the UI never looked clean and professional, and the built in apps aside from maps were just painful. I have not used android for either of my daily drivers in almost 10 months npwand more importantly I haven't had to spend 500 a month to always have the best device because when it comes to phones I am that guy. Now, I have a phone that's reliable, fast, does everything I ever expected of a phone, will receive updates, and is simply a pleasure to use. My favorite part is watching my mom rage about her phone because she wanted android because it looked like an iPhone and now she's fighting off force closes and has received 2 rather costly viruses from notable apps that were stolen and recompiled with a little bit extra. When she saw my lumia for the first time she offered me her gs2 and 150 dollars for it. Alas, I'm a phone lover, but for Christmas she'll receive a free conversion to the pleasant side of smartphones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
She bought an application that was a virus from the market ? You mentioned it was costly..and a virus... I haven't heard of a virus for iphone, wp7 or android yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
I think virus is just not the correct term in this case. It's rather malware. According to this article the amount of malware found on the android marketplace has dramatically increased.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
You will love wp7. there are apps to allow for the use of the google services and there are also MS equivalents that are just as good.

what a way to try to deter someone from enjoying this platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
I don't mean to interject, but all other comments/opinions aside... ALL third party apps lag. Bar none.

Every single one of them.

/yes I love wp

//I'm also realistic about this platform that I love
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I seriously don't see it..

The only app I found lagged was a weather app I had
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
it's not detering me from anything. i'd like to hear everyone's opinions, good and bad. i know a device will not please everyone.

i think what i may do is pick up an older focus and play around with it. i'm sure people will be selling them cheaper now to get the newer focus models. so i should be able to find one cheap somewhere.
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
i have been using android phones for many years, from 1.5 to 4.0. g1, various nexus phones, x10, atrix's. i have never had a force close that wasn't caused by something that wasn't directly my doing (removing system apps, modifying sources, etc).

i also have a developer account as well as having apps on the android app market, i will say that it would be pretty much impossible to decompile, and recompile someone else's app to inject malicious software. you have to have your own key for signatures for your apks, each apk you build has a version code, and when you submit a changed apk, your signatures have to match. it would be impossible for me to submit a recompiled apk i stole from someone else that has the same name and version code as another apk on the market, but is signed with my cert instead of the original owners.
[Windows Phone 7 General] svtfmook:
it's not that i have a negative outlook, i just have a lot of time, and even some money invested into android. i have a ton of apps that i have purchased over the years, i have my developer account, i have all of my google accounts/services, etc. it's a lot of changes at one time.

the reason i'm looking at wp7 is basically, it's something else. i have had many android devices, i have had all iphones through 3gs, i have had many windows mobile devices. i have not had a wp7 device yet. it looks cool and different, yet minimal and simplistic. i find myself constantly changing my androids around, only to still not be happy with the outcome. in all reality, android has basically been the same interface since it's birth. slight changes and new options that come with every new version have been a breath of fresh air, but, after the novelty of a new widget or some sort of new option, it's still just icons or widgets in a grid patter on a screen. which is what ios is.

and the core apps are still the same on android, dialer, contacts, messaging. i like how wp7 can take a core app, and you can seamlessly move through what would be separate apps on android without having to close an app and open another.

this is a tough decision, like i said i have a lot invested into android. i also have been running ice cream sandwich on my nexus for the past few weeks, and i really like what 4.0 is bringing to android. it is a lot of changes to how the device works and the ui. i also am divided on the switch because i just picked up an atrix 2, and while i have been having some problems with email sync settings and the fact that the stock camera app sucks, it has some things that i really like, like the car dock and how the phone interacts with the dock and my car. really cool accessory and i really don't want to lose that, lol.

but, i will need to make a decision in the next week or so before my 30 days is up to return the atrix 2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rsohne:
You may want to take a look at the HTC Titan if you are on AT&T. I purchased one yesterday and was told by the AT&T store manager that they would honor the 1 cent black friday deals coming up. They won't refund your money but will credit your bill. As for the Titan itself it may be one of the best all around phones I have used. The Titan has a great screen, camera,call quality, and speaker quality are all excellent.

By the way the store credit applies to all phones on the black friday deals they have coming up . Just in case the Titan isn't your thing.

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I have a lot invested in the Android platform also, so I keep my Android phone around and use it when I feel like tinkering. ( roms , apps ). But when I just want to enjoy my phone I use WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
I agree esp since Mango, if an app lagged it was coded badly. Many 3rd party apps do not lag. Example cocktail flow, amazon, 8tracks, 4th and mayor, etc etc
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Basically, OP, you should just try it.

Opinions may vary etc.

Basically I was totally into WP7 and didn't like Android.

Now I love Android because it does every fckng thing I want and WP7 just simply doesn't.

It's well designed, original platform - but so limited and quite boring I must say.

But it's my opinion. You may love it, you may hate it.

Nothing is better than your personal experience.

WP7 has it's charm, individual graphical language and great fluidity.

If you don't look for too many excessive graphics on the phone, it's a great choice.

I think if you don't expect miracles from the phone you may also love it.

However if you need total and complete usability experience, better stay away from WP7.

That's my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
this is false, I find myself doing everything and more on my HD7 than on my TP2, especially since the internet sharing update arrived and my carrier doesn't seem to give a **** if we tether.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
This I can agree with. I LOVE my Windows Phone and it works beautifully for my needs. But if you need things like usb storage, swapping SD cards, installing all manner of apps not vetted by Microsoft this phone may not be for you. However for the user who wants a phone that just works in an intuitive manner get a windows phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I understand but it was not my point.

I didn't say WP7 is not able to do everything you need.

BTW comparing it to WM is not really fair, the comparison is between WP7 - Android.

What I mean it's proven there are areas where WP7 has black spots in usability and Android performs well.

If you don't need it, that's fine.

But if you do, you're stuck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
And there are things wp7 excels in that effect everyone that android is absolutely horrid at. All OSes have their ups and downs, wp7's ups are just more widely comparable. Things like lag are much more apparent than frequency of toast notifications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I like both equally and will probably switch between the two.

It's like comparing oranges and bananas ( I didn't want to say apples for obvious reasons... Lol), they're both awesome but in completely different ways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I don't know what are you talking about, really.

Maybe you talk about the past but certainly not about presence.

Actually I am still interested where WP7 excels so much compared to other top platforms or what can it do what other's can't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I almost completely agreed with you until the last sentence :D What is complete usability?

A car with all the amenities but has poor gas mileage and may stall sometimes? Wouldn't some people prefer a car with great gas mileage and is reliable, but does not have the bells and whistles of the first car?

Oh, and let me say this: ICS better fix the stability and battery of the platform. Because it is so hypocritical that people have bashed WP like nothing in its first year, yet Android still cannot get its act together in the battery life and stability department.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
smoothness/speed, social networking integration, OS uniformity which leads to an overall more aesthetically pleasing OS aesthetically, integration with services that most of us use pretty often, developer tools/support, numerous other things that no one else holds a candle to. With the introduction of win8/wp8 we'll be gaining much more but of course your argument on that particular note will be to stop praising what has yet to come so feel free to ignore that one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You know for me complete usability means flexibility - what I can do with the phone, how I can manage files and send them etc.

It refers to things like file transfers, USB, existence of 3rd party apps for email, docs or browsers etc.

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Ok, you see.

The speed is not true in fact Android phones are as speedy, that's what I observed. Smoothness - depending where. Basically many 3rd party apps on WP7 lag and and on Android don't. So I wouldn't say WP7 has any real advantage here. So native apps o WP7 are tending to be more smooth, but it reverts on 3rd party.

As for "aesthetically pleasing", you know it's very subjective? Personally I got sick of WP7 UI - it was horribly boring and flat. I never got bored with newest Androids thugh, maybe I just need more eye candy. But you love WP7's interface, so you know what I mean - it's not a real advantage, it's just a personal choice.

Integration - maybe you're right however when I see how various services are deeply integrated in Android, including all 3rd party apps, I'm not sure really.

I understand many users care about things like "Me" tile etc. BTW I see you like FB chat integrated in sms.

As for WP8/Win8 I am really curious what will come in fact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Only third party apps I've tried that lag are the poor ports. Android apps lag just as much in my experience, the fact that it lags heavily in the UI just masks it since the lag is kinda universal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
The same people who consistently bashed the platform for not tethering will now find something else, and then something else, and something else. I want to know how many of these "owners" who swore that tethering was a holy feature they couldn't live without have actually used it since it's release.

On the topic, it's completely false that all apps lag, actually, none of my Mango apps lag. Mehdoh doesn't lag, Rowi only lags because it's beta, 4th and Mayor doesn't lag, WeatherLive doesn't lag, Livescape doesn't lag, MetroTube doesn't lag, moBudget doesn't lag, PrimeTV doesn't lag, Groupon doesn't lag, Cocktail Flow doesn't lag, iheartradio doesn't lag, TorrentBuddy doesn't lag... Do I really need to keep going? The app opening doesn't mean it's lagging, just for the record. As I continue to say, this OS does everything I need, and then some, and it doesn't have a single issue. Actually, I've only turned it off once in the last two months or so... And that was to update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
With your post there almost comes another question as well---what do people consider "lag"? Full second? Half a second? Quarter?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Anything visible to the naked eye.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I think this lag thing is problem for some and for others - not.

And I definitely think on modern smartphones on top OSes the lag is not a problem at all anymore. Yes there were some problems on WM, there were maybe some problems with earlier Androids. But now compared head to head - all are very similar. I don't feel any considerable difference between Android and WP7 on similar hardware. I feel functionality differences though.

And it's also preference thing. I can have some minimal lag but have the functionality I need, and I don't enjoy device which has amazing UI but is just blocked.

So again, preferences. That's why we can argue but personal experience is cruical here. As on this forum - some are in love and some not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Well, I suppose for the very few users who need things that to most are unheard of wp7 may not be the best at the moment. This could change very easily. Saying you dont feel the noteworthy lag on android devices though is sad, perhaps I just appreciate it more because I always hated the lag in android but even on the gs2 it feels like a chore to use and is about as aesthetically pleasing in transition as a school is fire. WP7 is slowly opening up, it has a secure foundation and can only grow. Android has a shaky foundation and they're constantly patching it and building on top of those patches, I wonder how many broken ICS versions they built before one functioned. This is why Microsoft is the biggest software giant ever.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prohibido_por_la_ley:
Currently now WP is being bashed for not having dual core, Video MMS, exact versions of apps that are on Android and iOS rather than generics. The naysayers will never stop.