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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] apprentice:
I am in agreement with you NRG on this. I never use screen protectors as I think they look uglier than a scratched screen does!

As long as my phone is kept in a reasonable case the screen should be protected.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] halfmanhalfmachine:
DHD hasn't been out for 2 years and doesn't have gorilla glass...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Im doing my intentional scratch testing on the screen and its actually quite hard to intentionally scratch it.. I've been unsuccessful with sharp objects so far.. I havent tried sand though but wont go that far.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Derzis:
this is quite ridiculous, you can`t do it with a knife but some dust from your desk/pants can do the job

on old phones there was no touchscreen so you could just replace the front cover and everything was like new
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] captainhakan:
I'm pretty sure the next generation GNotes will have the Lotus glass. Further info about the new Lotus Glass could be found here :

http://phandroid.com/2012/02/03/samsung-and-corning-team-up-to-develop-lotus-glass
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ph00ny:
Lotus glass has been part of Samsung-Corning joint venture for quite sometime now.

Take a look at scp.samsung.com
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ashn2k:
The question remains. How is the Lotus Glass resistant to scratch?

Many people said no scratch while also the many said theirs got scratched.

Can anyone post some picture to show us how bad the scratch is to your phone screen?

P.S. Just to be sure, pamper your Note with new Glas.t from SGP. From what I heard, you can only scratch the screen protector by using diamond:cool:.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
I got sgp oleophobic sp... scratches easily w/ pen..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] purple zebra:
It does seem to scratch easier than my Dell Streak did. I had my streak for 18 months, and in that time it only picked up one scratch across one of the corners (may actually be a crack from a drop, I'm not sure, but it's fairly minor)

I've had my note for a month now, and it already has at least 3 minor scratches. 1 of which looks very much like it must have been caused by the stylus (or some dirt between the screen and the stylus) as it is a swirly shape that seems unlikely to have been caused by anything else, e.g being in a pocket.

I never used a screen protector with my Streak, but I think I'm going to have to with my note.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] M3TALLICA:
Gorilla Glass can still be scratched........

Bulletproof glass can be broken ............. if you really want to.

LOL@ TOPIC.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] saif123a:
i scratched my note just when i was showing off my glass ressistance i did it with a stone chip..n it broke my coz the gorrila ass got scratched... X-(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] truelies1:
Gorilla can't be scratched is a joke. How can a glass be scratch free?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] m4d4:
Glass is hard to scratch because it is very hard but also sadly brittle, All the current generation of screens can be scratched. I have scratched Iphone 4, Ipad 1 and 2, Galaxy tab 7", and Galaxy note screens just in recent painful memory....

All done with no clear sign of what caused it. If you want to keep your device in good condition you simply have to use a screen protector, that is the bottom line.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] p51d007:
Glass is hard, but not scratch "proof".

If I remember my science class, the Mohs scale of hardness puts glass at 7 on a scale of 1-10. Now, if they made the glass out of DIAMOND, which is a 10, it would be a little harder to scratch....anyone wanna pay millions for a note? LOL
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] PoisonWolf:
Increased hardness = making it more brittle = more easily shatters no?

I would NOT want that. Imagine paying $499,500.99 for a Galaxy Note and it shatters the first time it falls 1 feet.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] yellowboy:
I have both a Note and the S2.

Had the S2 for approaching 10 months or so and it doesn't have a single scratch on it... Had the Note 10 days and there are several scratches on it which has saddened me... Based on my experience with the S2, I wasn't expecting this .. I don't treat them any differently .. *sigh*
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] maxh:
I wonder if it's the oleophobic coating on top of the gorilla glass that's getting scratched, rather than the underlying gorilla glass, itself. That could explain the discrepancies between experiences on different devices that both supposedly have gorilla glass.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] coolfire:
I concur. 10chars.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] yellowboy:
That could explain things. Time for me to order a screen protector ...

I've also found a link on how to fix small scratches ...

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/moto-droid/114659-gorilla-glass-does-scratch-but-i-know-how-repair.html

Will give it a try
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jambamkin:
Pretty sure that would be a quick way of removing the oleophopic coating, would be good to test the theories above. I remember someone doing something similar in the desire HD forums and complaining how their screen got greasy quicker.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sarius24:
I have my second note still in the box till I get a screen protector tmrw.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mr11:
my note still no scratch with me...but going to apply screen protector soon
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tvu815:
I just got a scratch on my galaxy note after 3 days. Just from pocketing and normal use =/
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rayan:
Dust specks are what scratches screens!

Cheers
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ConvertedtoAndroid:
Fine swiss watches with hard crystals can still be scratched.

Dont out your phone in pockets with coins, keys or anything metal. Its really not that hard, is it?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] keejoonc:
I've had my Note for 3 days and was shocked to find fine scratches on the screen last night. I never even put it in my pocket with anything else! I really can't understand what could have caused it. I'm desperately watiing for my screen protector and case to arrive.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] robmeik:
The Note DOES have Corning® Gorilla glass. It is listed under the "Slates/Tablets" page on Cornings website! See this:

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/products-with-gorilla/samsung
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mraha:
hishhhh... my previous Note got some scratched although care it like baby... screen protector the only solution..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] BigsyBiggins:
No way in my mind does the note have gorilla glass, I abused my galaxy s for 2 years and the screen was perfect.

I've treated my note like my first born and it has 3 pretty noticeable scratches on it in as many months.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] galaxytab1:
There are too many scratches and some of them really bad on my Note. Samsung, this was not expected.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] letters_to_cleo:
the Note is not Scratch proof.. it is just scratch resistant..

the resistance depends on the material or object it would made contact on the on the Note's screen always... in time if you don't have any protection on the screen.. it would ultimately get a scratch (or scratches) sooner or later...

again, its not scratch proof....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Notified:
Interestingly my note has quite the same amount & look of scratches than my GS2 had after the same time.

Very fine scratches that are only visible when the screen is off and under direct light, and when I use the Pen I can feel them :p.

A few weeks ago my note slipped out of it's "case" and fell from 70 cm height onto the door frame of my car first just to land on the stone-yard from my parents face-first :eek:. 2/3 of the scratches are from this incident, and I feel lucky with it :).
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mraha:
maybe when using stylus.... hrmm... already use screen protector...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] KaranKapoor:
^^ I can confirm that because it happened right in front of me now. Apparently, there was this dust particle on the tip of the S-Pen and when I used it, it scratched the effing screen! No wonder so many people have scratched screens!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rayan:
I've said this before and nobody listened .... Check a few posts back.

Dust particles are the ones to blame here!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] knightnz:
Exactly. NOTHING is scratch "proof" - any material can be scratched by any other material that is harder than it, this is why diamonds are able to cut pretty much any other form of glass that there is as it's very nearly the hardest material that we can easily lay our hands on. Many materials are harder than glass, even toughened glass like Gorilla glass. The composition of many specks of dust that could end up on the glass _could_ potentially be harder than the glass on the Note depending on what it actually _is_ made of.

Find out what the actual hardness rating of the glass used in the note is (be it Gorilla or otherwise) and you'll be able to work out what other elements to keep it away from.

Same as water "proof" - there's virtually no such thing, given suitable pressure and other conditions, even the most "waterproof" item can be made to take on unless it's a solid item without seam or internal cavity. It's a marketing fallacy, mainly perpetuated by the horology industry. In almost all cases, even the most heavily sealed item is merely water _resistant_, even though it may be to an extreme degree that is unlikely ever to be tested to its limit.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Please give an example of 'water proof' item which is not.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
What he means is that all waterproof products has its own individual maximum depth before the pressure > resistance and it is no longer waterproof. Same with glass. Same with all elements. So that would mean all waterproof items.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
A yes, but even the most basic water proof Casio wrist watch, has water resistant up to 50 meters, and not many divers have the 2-3 diving stars needed to reach even that basic depth!

Not to mention most are 100-200 meter depth.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] knightnz:
If you take most 200M water "proof" watches down to 200M, and then start pressing buttons or adjusting the time, they will leak. They're only water "proof" given certain factors.

The depth ratings on watches (30M, 100M, 200M etc) also do NOT relate to how deep you can take them in water, but to an "over pressure" value equivalent to the pressure that that depth of water would exert. The motion of the item in the water to such a depth would exceed this pressure, often by a signficant amount.

"Professional" grade divers watches use a different system of measurement than "regular" watches.

If you take virtually any other supposedly "water proof" item to the bottom of the Marianas trench (roughly 11Km deep), then it will cease to keep water out a long time before you get to the bottom. There are of course, exceptions, but even these can be exceeded by man-made means.

I can try to dig out the article that I had published in an international horology journal on the subject if you like...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ph00ny:
Jebus

are you guys still on this topic?

Corning Gorilla Glass is not immune to shatter or scratches
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] knightnz:
Still on topic by using analogies to try and explain that nothing is "x

proof

", and gorilla glass is not all that hard to scratch, although it's certainly a lot tougher than regular "mineral crystal" glass.

I don't think Corning have ever claimed it to be scratch _proof_ anyway, just that it's bloody _difficult_ to scratch.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
Very interesting!

Yes please, if its not too hard, I very much would enjoy reading this article :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] superfastmonkey:
I have had scratches within just a few days of using both a Galaxy S2 and a Motorola Defy-I put a cover straight on this one. I do tend to have keys and a lighter in the same pocket, I should have learnt with the sgs2, but at least I got a cover on before any more scratches occurred...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] galaxytab1:
Talking of scratches on the Note:

1. Large visible ones on the screen

2. Phone practically rests on the camera, cover is abound with scratches, and no, placing bits of those screen covers on camera will only mean a compromise on photo quality. Tried it.

3. Even the s-pen has lost polish...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Carmageddon1984:
The S-Pen looks to be a manufacturing defect.

Invoke the warranty to get it replaced.

My polish is still pristine, and I also take the pen between my teeth :D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DPMAce:
Can my sCreen sCratCh even with the proteCtor on? I'm just getting paranoid about using this s pen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] KaranKapoor:
It shouldn't be a problem with a screen protector.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] poope:
I dropped my note yesterday, it had a hardcover case and screenprotector...guess what, cracked screen from the top to the bottom.:mad:

So next time better have something rubbery to break the fall and absorb the impact.

all other stuff fails when the note hits the floor:D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Akiainavas:
It's gorilla glass - but it's still just glass...

But honestly, i used my previous phone with Gorilla Glass for almost 2 years - no cases, no covers, just sitting in my jeans pocket - not even one scratch. So it's like always - care about your phone and you'll be fine. Gorilla can help if you drop it or something, but it cant prevent it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Richieboy67:
This can't be Gorilla Glass to break with one drop while in a case unless it was a very hard drop.

I think GG is much more resilient to scratching and cracking but yep, it is still glass..

The screen covers lower the touch sensitivity if you ask me..

Richie
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] tbong777:
I did as well and saw one 1mm scratch and had to really look for it. I decided the smoothness of the screen and slick phone slipping in and out of the pocket is worth a few dings. Just sold my SGS II with this scratch.

Sold for $405 inc Shipping. I don't think i would have received more with high cost screen protectors and cases. I was only offered $350 for it here.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hp79:
I had a Dell Streak5 some time ago. I thought it wouldn't scratch, but it did. I don't even carry other things together in one pocket. But it still made a faint scratch. I thought Gorilla Glass was bullet proof. Better protect the Note with a screen protector since we are also writing on the screen using the pen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] galaxytab1:
It was not there at the first place, if that is what you say when you call it a manufacturing defect.

Yes, warranty could be tested.

They will just dole out another s-pen, but then, why not give it a shot.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
I had screen protector on but using it for drawing created visible marks on the SP
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] KaranKapoor:
My SP is full of scratches -- courtesy, S-Pen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] razorhanny:
I got a little hairline scratch on my note, then i've put the screen protector, I got thousands of scratches on my screen protector, then I removed the screen protector.

As always, sPen was the culprit.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Plumillon:
Gorilla or not you will need a screen protector

Since it still glass, one day you will end up with scratch :s

I got a case which is for me the best solution : it doesn't alter the touch response and protec the screen
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Rayan:
To avoid scratches on a SP you have to use a soft one.

It's not as smooth and shiny but for some people like me it's better to have a bit of resistance when using the SPen.

With a soft SP like Bestskinsever (the cheapest one I've found) you can still see small "scratches" while you use it with the SPen, but after a few minutes, the scratches go away!

Cheers!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] .Hell.:
I wished the Galaxy Note screen wasn't scratchable tho , i hate all the screen protector sh**
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
Forget Scratches.. mine has a nice chip in it. Only had the note two weeks, now I don't know if its something I've done or if it came with it (the chip is that small).

Off back to the shop to see if I can get me a replacement tomorrow..
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pboesboes:
I don't get any scratches from my spen, and I don't have a "soft" SP. :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sephi:
Where is it? Do you have a pcitire?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] se1988:
What about insurance, people?

Why doesnt anyone just have insurance? For me it costs $50 per year to have my GNote totally covered.

And yes, that includes scratches in the screen, as scratches is considered as damage and not wear and tear because its Gorilla glass.

I have tried four different screen protectors, and all of them hated my S-pen. The phone does not look nice with an SP if you ask me...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
My note is < 2weeks old so for it to have a scratch(chip/indent) is rather retarded. I haven't got insurance, though I am considering it. It would cost me around £120/year to insure it with the UK rates (Around $190?) or around £80 at the cheaper rates.

The chip is that small any picture I try to take it won't show up in.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
Because I bought an international model and no carrier and their insurance company insures phones not sold in the USA.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
Why is that retarded? It's a scratch, caused by a single clumsy event, not a speaker that wears out over time. Hah, I've seen people get into accidents on their brand new car pulling out of a car dealership

Sh** happens and if its too small for a camera to notice, you shouldn't either.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
Considering I had the Ace previously and as a 'temporary' phone treated it FAR worse (no screen/case, in same pocket as keys/change) and that has zero scratches or chips of any degree (after over a year of use). Within two weeks of careful use of the note (Barely used it whilst I waited for my number to be transferred to the new sim). Its hard to say if I caused the chip or if it came with the phone.

Regards "**** happens" .. I'm still within my 28day return period, if its a damaged product I am going to return it, you wouldn't take that car out if it had faulty lights or a dodgy gearbox and think "Oh sh** happens.." when you know your tied to it for the next 2(3)years+ would you? Its our right as consumers, when we pay a small fortune for these items to demand 110% satisfaction imo.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] JolyonS:
I'm confused about these screen protectors.

If they perform so much better than the coatings Corning or whoever apply and do not detract from the screen in any way then why are they not factory-fitted?

It seems to me that if they were genuinely so useful it would provide a competitive advantage to Samsung or whoever to fit them and so it would quickly become industry standard practice - even on mid-range products as these screen protectors are not expensive even at consumer prices.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] daredavepl:
deeditie Defile

Hi. Hmm im using note 4 months now and it fall down fev times. Got scratches on the battery cover but display is in mint condition. Other thing that im a construction worker and my phone is always with me. So im quite happy from the screen.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] pboesboes:
Because it would probably cost them more money than they would gain from it.

There's not much of a competitive advantage, because anyone can apply a screen protector on any phone.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Nightforge:
I agree with you that you would think that it would be a great selling point if they did this...except

1. It would detract from the impression of the Gorilla Glass being "nearly indistructible"

2. If the phones dont wear out over time people wont be in as big a hurry to replace them.Engineered obsolescence.

3. The makers of the film and the service providers actually make a tidy profit off the sales of the screen and phone protectors while putting them on in the manufacturing process would just be an added cost for the phone makers that would either make them jack the prices up, or more than likely, they would just have to eat to stay competitive.

For the time being I think we will be stuck just buying the protectors seperately.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] JolyonS:
What would be the cost to e.g. Samsung of factory fitting screen protectors? (Or more likely to Corning to factory fit the screen protector before shipping the screen glass to Samsung etc)

On the 5 million or so Notes sold it would be down to cents per device for material costs plus a small amount for re-engineering the build process.

If they provided a significant advantage you'd do it and your competitors would (be forced to) quickly follow suit.

I can only conclude that either they don't provide any advantage or they degrade so quickly that sending devices out from the factory with them would result in complaints that would outweigh the initial advantage.

It just doesn't make sense to me that there's a wonderful protective option that every manufacturer is simply ignoring.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Makes perfect sense to me because I don't like or want screen protectors on my devices! ;)

Those that do like and want screen protectors can buy them.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ngocdao:
The problem here is you don't even know what happened, and sounds to me, you're trying to make yourself believe that you couldn't have caused it just so you can convince yourself it is not your fault and you are entitled to another one.

I also read through their website and they only emphasize how tough the glass is (cracks etc) yet thin and beautiful. It appears everyone is taking this idea in a whole new different context?

Now if they boasted that this screen is scratchproof--id be on your side.

But my thin gg screen, although with scratches, remain intact and functional after drops scrapes and used heavily for 5 months. I'm satisfied.

That's like complaining to the company who makes your Kevlar vest ...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ebhsimon:
I actually have 1 circular scratch within 2 weeks of use. Currently trying to figure out what did it, but since it's circular maybe it was either my fingernail, something beneath my finger when i swiped, or something under the stylus.

I've eliminated putting it face down on a surface or putting and pulling it in and out of my pocket since it has a curve to it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] sleepingturtle:
Could be a piece of sand or grit in your pocket. That would scratch it quite well. Found out the hard way myself.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] se1988:
If a piece have been chipped off the glass in the edge, the whole glass structure is weakened. It's just a matter of time before it will crack. Believe me, I know!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ebhsimon:
That's true, sand is comprised of quartz and quartz rates higher than gorilla glass on the hardness scale (moh's) so it would make sense, but it is circular which made me doubt the pocket theory. Since if it got scratched coming out of my pocket it would be more straight