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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
This thread is dedictated strictly to specific advantages / disadvantages / differences / similarities of Mango compared to the iPhone 4S.

READ THIS ENTIRE POST BEFORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD

Both platforms have strengths. Both have weaknesses.

It will also be dedictated to differences in some core applications.

Some applications are not available to both platforms. Those will also be identified.

I will be reserving the first 5 posts to update specific differences.

I will also be reserving the next 5 posts, in case I want to expand to additional differences or comparisons.

I currently own an LG Quantum with Mango and an iPhone 4S. The Quantum is my personal phone. The iPhone was provided by work. I am not restricting the comparison to 1st generation Windows Phone hardware, but it is all I have to test with. Mango is Mango though, with few exceptions.

I actually really like both phones.

Post #2 dedicated to advatages of Windows Phone.

Post #3 dedicated to advatages of iPhone 4S

Post #4 dedicated to application differences.

Post #5 dedicated to application availability.

Please post replies with information you would like to see added to the posts.

Please post replies with other things you would like to see compared.

Keep all posts on topic. Be respectful. Do not bash other users or their posts.

I do not have an Android device. This thread is not a comparison to Android. Posts about android will be considered off topic and should not be responded to.

Keep in mind the forum rules and rule 15 regarding staying on topic.

As I discover information, I will update the 1st 10 posts as needed. Also, based on user posts, I will update the 1st 10 posts, if I am able to verify the information.

This thread is about specific advantages and disadvantages. So, when posting, please provide specific details. It is also intended to not be opinion based. Some opinion will be unavoidable, but facts should always be given. When posting for something to be added, it is also helpful if you can come up with the line to add to describe the advantage. I can usually do this, but copy and paste is alot easier.

Again:

This thread is about identifying specific advantages / disadvantages / differences / similarities between the two. Specific being the key.

General statements serve no purpose and only clutter the thread. There are 11000+ views of this thread. If everyone posted general opinions, the thread would quickly lose value and no longer be maintainable by me. I would be forced to close it or not maintain it.

I welcome and encourage posts that identify specific advantages / disadvantages / differences / similarities between the two platforms. Of course the first 10 posts should always be checked first to see if they have already been identified.

Thanks

JVH3
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Application differences

Windows Phone 7 applications tend to use the Metro UI to be consistent with the platform.

The iPhone tends to be consitent with the way iPhone applications run.

Facebook

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both.

The iPhone app does give easier access to the features and might let you do more.

Twitter

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both.

Foursquare

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both.

Glympse

Windows Phone 7 does not update your location when the app is not the foreground application.

iHeart Radio

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both.

Tango

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both.

Angry Birds

Seemed to be pretty much the same on both. iPhone has more versions and levels.

Flashlight Apps

Both have Flashlight apps that work identically. See post #14 for a link to download the Windows Phone 7 app (Flashlight-X) that works just like iTorch4.

Note: This requires an LED flash. All iPhones have and LED flash. All Windows Phones have a flash, but LED is not required. If a flashlight app is required, make sure to get a phone with an LED flash.

LG Panorama Shot vs Dermandar - Both are free apps to create panoramic pictures.

On the iPhone, you can do a full 360, are just any interval in between. It will also create a 3D type viewing of the area. But both make excellent panoramic pics with no visible problems near the stitching.

Yelp (finds nearby businesses)

Seems very similar on both platforms. iPhone wanted alot more info on the start that can be skipped.

DirecTV (Not Nomad)

Both are pretty similar and let you do the same things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Application Availability

This is not going to include all applications. There are almost 50,000 available for Windows Phone 7. There are more available for the iPhone. I am not going to include apps that are alternate interfaces to other services.

Available on iPhone, but not Windows Phone 7

Most versions of Angry Birds.

Available for Windows Phone 7, but not on iPhone

Availbable for both

Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, Glympse, Shazam, Tango, You Tube, Angry Birds, Flixster, Fly Delta, Adobe Reader

Apps for Google Voice, Pandora, Skype

Games

There are games available only for Windows Phone 7, that are not available for iPhone.

There are games available for iPhone that are not available for Windows Phone 7.

I am not going to list them for either.

Updates:

Since MetroRadio works for Pandora on Mango, I removed Pandora from the list of unavailable apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Similarities

Positive

Both easily let you sync with an Exchange server. (Email, Appointments, Tasks, and Contacts)

Both let you easily find and install apps.

Both autmatically notify you of application updates.

Both let you text message by voice.

Both have ways of streaming music and video.

Both have built in maps with navigation.

Both will give you weather updates.

Both support HTML 5.

Both give fast access to the camera when the device is locked.

Both support and have multi player games.

Both have Google Voice Applications.

Negative

Using either Bing on Mango or Maps on the iPhone to find nearby locations often times does not find the closest option. Each is better or worse depending on the location. iPhone is better in some areas and Bing is better in others.

BOTH still lack the ability to create complex repeat patterns for appointments.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Differences

Swipe left on iPhone to get to search. On Windows Phone 7, there is a search button.

Live Tiles vs icons. It seems that some icons do update on the iPhone, such as the Calander, but the weather icon always says 73 degrees. On Windows Phone 7, the tile shows the temp.

iTunes verses Zune.

Press the button to then launch camera without unlocking verses pressing and holding the dedicated camera button.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
iTunes vs Zune

iTunes

Create ringtone by converting to m3a and renaming to m3r. Then drag to Tones.

Backs up all apps to your computer from the phone.

File-Add File to Library or Add Folder to Library. No way to remove a folder. Must remove songs 1 at a time.

Zune

Create ringtone by setting genre to Ringtone.

All app purchases will automatically restore if you need a replacement phone or restore.

Backs up phone OS to computer when updating. Not sure about settings and accounts.

Easy to add and remove directories for Zune to automatically add to it's library while keeping the music in the original location

Both

Easy to make and manage playlists.

More to come.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The People Hub in Mango

This will be dedicated to the People Hub.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
Nice to see you here on wp7 :D

nice and clean thread for now.

lets hope it will stay like that, we don't want a war here.

do you need this post place to ?

if yes I can remove it for you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I want to keep this thread objective and clean. So many are lopsided and become war zones.

I have enough posts reserved for anything else I may want to add

I've had my Quantum since the end of August. And work just gave me an iPhone 4S, so I figured I'd do a side by side comparison.

Coming from Windows Mobile and custom ROMs, I did not expect to like either, but have found both to be very good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dada051:
You can find, on MarketPlace, apps that not blinking the camera led flash.

One example : http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/2638b778-5eab-45f1-a511-a08e1dbde751
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Nice tip. I am installing and testing it now.

Tested and verified. I am updating the post now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dada051:
I believe that it exists exclusive app in marketplace in the US.

Arcane's Tower Defense is an exclusive WP7 game.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Wp7 certainly feels smoother and the apps that aren't simply ports seem to run smoother on wp7. Words by post for instance is much smoother on wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Nice objective comparison!

I own a quantum as well and I love it.

Perhaps one difference you can point out is that on wp7 you have choices of different hardware (like a physical keyboard if that's important to you)
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I think Angry Birds on iOS/Android has significantly more levels.

Foursquare for iOS5 allows for the Radar feature (http://blog.foursquare.com/2011/10/12/the-real-world-now-in-real-time-say-hi-to-foursquare-radar/) which, like Glympse, won't be possible until Microsoft provides a background location service.

Other apps affected by the lack of background location services include GPS and the run tracker type apps.

Maybe you should include a section about multitasking in general.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
great idea for a post it can help a lot of people who may or may not want to switch
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Do you have a motorcycling related thread somewhere here ? "This is where ginb took me today?" Or similar ?

If not, you should. Damn, and I should proofread.... that's "bing", not "ginb". LoL !
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Maps, Bing, MapQuest, TomTom - Glad I installed Bing and MapQuest on my iPhone

Interesting thing yesterday. I needed to go to a street,

178th Circle, Elk River, MN

The built in Maps app on the iPhone took me to 178th Ave NW at a cross street of Fillmore St NW. Nothing related to 178th Circle, except the 178. It is over 2 miles from where I needed to be.

Using MapQuest on my laptop takes me to the same incorrect place.

But, using the MapQuest app or Bing on my iPhone took me to the correct location.

Bing Maps also finds it correctly with Mango.

Then, after finding it with MapQuest or Bing, I noticed that the official street name was actually 178th Circle NW, despite what the Platt map said. So, I tested again with that using the built in Maps ont the iPhone. Again, it had the wrong address.

Before using my phone, I tried entering it in my TomTom, which does not even know the street exists, even though it has been there for maybe 20 years.

Only 1 house and 3 undeveloped lots are on this street.

So, as far as relevancy. Maps on the iPhone was not as good in this case as Bing, but Bing is available for free on the iPhone.

There may be instances where the iPhone Maps performs better than Bing for finding actual addresses, but I honestly never thought a real street would not be findable by either.

As far as finding specific near by businesses, we know both have shortcomings depending on the area.

I will put it as an advantage for Mango as such:

Bing Maps can find some old established addresses correctly that the iPhone Maps cannot. (note Bing Maps is available for free on the iPhone, but Siri and most, in not all, integrations will not use it).

If someone can post a real address that Maps on the iPhone can find correctly that Bing Maps cannot, then I will edit this.

In the end, I was glad that I had installed MapQuest and Bing on my iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I have played much with the Bing app on my iPhone, but with my Bike, I probably will be using Mapquest, since I have tried it and know it takes no user interaction.

Only issues I see are that some areas I ride have no service. I'm guressing it will just continue on after it gets a connection again.

But, I may buy a map app that does not require data usage. Or, after checking app prices, I might just buy a GPS to mount to my Bike.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I don't think he has a wp7 client yet. But dualsportmaps is great for on or off road two wheeling adventures. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I am not sure what happened to you, but when I type in "178th cir elk river mn" on my iPhone, it pops up a message that clearly tells me that there is no such address, giving me three options to choose from, one of which is (I assume) the correct address of "178th Cir NW, Ramsey, Anoka, MN". I see no WP7 advantage here at all.

And FWIW, the Google Maps web site did exactly the same thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] treelover3:
Bloomington here. (:o)

I'll have to install MapQuest and Bing on my phone. I never thought to install them. Thanks for the reminder.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Not sure what kind of iPhone you are using, but the Maps application that is built in on the iPhone 4S following these step.

Launch Maps.

tap Directions toward the bottom.

Tap Edit in the upper left

click the X to clear the End: field

Type: 178th cir elk river mn or 178th Circle, Elk River, MN

tap the Route button

Almost instantly I it displays 1st of 3 suggested routes with a map to the location.

But, if I tap on the Red pin, it shows the address

178th Ave NW, Elk River, MN

And to be clear, 178th Circle, Elk River, MN is quite different from "178th Cir NW, Ramsey, Anoka, MN"

2 different cities. And I checked that address. It is different.

It's also different than 178th Ave NW Elk River.

And, the street does exist. If you look it up on MapQuest on the iPhone, you can see that there is a Tyler Drive NW that intersects a Tyler St NW. But as it crosses the road it becomes a culd-a-sac called 178th Circle NW. This culd-a-sac is not on the map with the built in Maps application. MapQuest on the iPhone shows it clearly and so does Bing. And the house on it has been there for 20+ years with it's driveway going there.

Bing Maps also finds it correctly.

When the built in Map application can't find a 20 year addresses and automatically assumes you mean a completely different city with no warning without tapping the pin. That's not good.

Since it said 1 of 3 suggested routes, I checked. The other 2 don't change the destination.

I am attaching the 2 images of the correct location. 1st is with MapQuest which shows the 178th Cir NW. 2nd is with Maps, which shows that no road exists there.

And to be clear I uploaded the location on 178th Ave NW that it takes you to. It is no where near the intersection of Tyler St NW which is shown.

Now, I can say an idiot picked the street names in this area. No excuse for completely seperate roads with the same name in the same city. There is not a shortage in numbers or names.

But, Maps on the iPhone 4S does not get it right, but Bing does.

I also have attached directions from where Maps takes you to and the actual address.

I also have attached directions from the address in Anoka that you thought was the correct address. 3.2 miles away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Earl68754:
Yep, you can use some BT devices with the iPhone and they will play music, but the overall compatibility is quite bad on the iPhone. I own the Sony Ericsson MW600(which is great btw!). It works with the iPhone but it doesn't display the title and you can't ffw or rwd and also the call button doesn't work. BT on iPhone is more or less a matter of luck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Even if everything you say is true it doesn't provide evidence of any clear advantage for WP7 and it certainly doesn't support the claim of "some addresses" being inaccurate on iPhone and accurate on WP7. It is one address.

As for inaccuracies in Bing Maps, there have been discussion in this forum of them in the past. Here is one example:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1402472&highlight=bing+maps
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
That link takes me to a post where someone was looking for 4010 silverheels, Silverthorn, CO 80498

I included the typo in the city name when I tested.

Bing worked correctly for me on that address with Mango and so did my iPhone.

And post 3 in that thread also shows that Bing finds it correctly.

As requested previously, please give an address where Bing is incorrect, but the iPhone is correct.

And please personally verify it shortly before posting it. Just because it was the case for anyone in December does not mean it still is the case.

It's not like the address I gave was some totally off the wall unique edge case, so it is pretty safe to assume that others exist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
This debate is pointless. You seem determined to use this as an advantage for WP7, when it is obviously not so. Did your iPhone get it "wrong" this time? Sure, I accept that. Does that prove, on any level, that the iPhone Maps app is more prone to error or missing locations than Bing Maps? Not even close.

But it is your list, so you are free to update it as you see fit, even if this update does diminish the objectivity of the list (and it does).
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
As I said:

Come up with an example.

And the statement is correct:

I'm open to editting it. I even included that bing Maps is available for the iPhone. Not sure how I could be more objective.

Just one verifiable example the other way and it makes it not be a Mango advantage. But, if no one can provide one, then it's an advantage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
2 things I found for the iPhone

JourneyLite - a free browser that lets you browse as of you are the full internet explorer or any other browser. So you can use the full site, even if the web debs did not want you to from your iPhone.

I found out how to pair my Pioneer DEH-7000BT car stereo to my iPhone. You must manually repair the device once on the BT Audio source. I will detail this later. Still cant control it (prev/next/etc) but it's something. And you need to do it every time you want to use it.

I made a YouTube video using my LG Quantum for the pairing process: http://youtu.be/zDpTLZywqhU

In any case I will be editing later tonight.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
For the 1st one though, windows phone still has the advantage of not needing an app for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I agree, but it's not as severe. It will be an advantage, with a note.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I was surprised that I did not see this on the list and no one mentioned it.

I just added this tonight.

29. Ability to take screen captures, which is very useful when asking for help or illustrating steps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Can be done on windows phone if developer unlocked through homebrew... but advantage to iphone as i do believe they have it built in.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stelioshania:
I cannot say many thing for iPhone since I am not an owner.

I have a new samsung omnia w for 2 days and I am really disappointed.

This phone has nothing to do with windows as we know them.

My previous phone was an wm6.

The first problem was that I could not transfer ANYTHING directly. And it was between widows phones!!!

I had to tranfer my outlook contacts to a fake windows account and then update to wp7.

Second I cannot tranfer pdfs and others!!!!!!!! YET!!!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Beatsleigher:
As a satisfied Android & WP user (There are also two iPods in our house) I can say,that it doesn't come to the advantages or disadvantages of either of these phones.

Sure as JVH3 said, they both have their own bright-, and darksides...

But they're phones and always will be. SO do what you can, with what you get, and take it like a man, if it's not what you wanted ;)

Anyways, Bind Maps works with nearly the same engine as Google Maps, so there is that much a difference...

If think different, tell me ^^ I'm just saying, that I'm open to every smartphone OS (Except Symbian, or whatever that thing from Nokia is called)... As long as you can download/use/make apps for your phone, it should be enough... ;)

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You can transfer contacts etc. but not from WM -> WP as they are two completely different mobile Operating Systems... The pretty much only thing they have in common, is that they run on the NT kernel, and that they are smartphones...

You CAN download PDFs, but you can only acces them with Acrobat reader (available in Marketplace)... I have had about 4 WPs, and I can say: it doesn't matter from what OS you have just come from, it always takes up to a week, to find out, how the different things on different OSs work... Eg. I came from WP7.5 to Android... It took a MONTH to find out about all the features... But that is because Android is rather complicated, compared to WP7/iOS...

Just take your time, and let the phone do it's job.... It takes a while. If if you are then still not satisfied, then you can always sell it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
So, your very first and currently only post is off topic and contributes nothing of value to the thread.

This thread is dedicated to an objective comparison to the iPhone 4S with iOS 5 and Windows Phone 7 with Mango.

It baffles me why you would take the time to set up an account this month, just to post off topic in a thread with clear instructions about the topic. On top of that, you took no care in proof reading for typographical errors.

This is not an opinion thread. This is not a chat room. This is a thread in a forum with a specific subject and purpose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dub123:
Support for EAP-TLS authentication (Office Wifi :() and Caldav. Not sure when they plan to roll out for WP
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Skype is available for Windows Phone 7 now.

It's technically beta, but I did some testing last night, and found no problems.

Updating the post on applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MorningDay:
iPhone 4S is way ahead and Mango version is nowhere near to it. iOS has excellent touch calibration with new feature that is Siri app which is an intelligent bot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Lets hope any further posts from you are better, because this was a horrible post. This is not an opinion thread. The guidelines of the thread are clearly posted. The only thing somewhat proper was your mention of Siri, but Siri was already mentioned and included in the iPhone advantage list, so your comment added absolutely no value.

All I kept thinking of after reading this was the great Billy Madison Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7w64fbqYQY

better quality link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
For me is all about presentation;

IP as a boring and old presentation in contrary WP as a fresh and much more fun presentation.....all the rest features turn out to be equal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andregarcia_1:
I prefere Mango, iOS is too limited to user customization
[Windows Phone 7 General] iLLmAtiCiAn:
True, just not a big fun of iOS
[Windows Phone 7 General] red12355:
Just FYI, you listed people hub twice in the WP7 advantages list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I updated item 10 to be blank. I thought about renumbering, but that's tedious manual work and the numbers are referenced in other posts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Neo XL:
I prefer also Windows Phone, but the limitations of our OS are also a problem. No chance to modify the startscreen, to have individual Folders, no ability to change the storage card without losing the warranty, no integrated Tethering, we are forced, to use Zune, no easy transfer of Data... we are not free like the Android Users.

The advantage is to use a modern OS with many abilities for the future. But i think it will be sold much better, if the "Kindergarden"/ nursery school images of the frontpage would be styled more elegant... transparency of the tiles, background images...i hope for WP8