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[Epic 4G General] digiblur:
I find the thin phones to feel fragile to me. I don't even like the epic without the case on it. Too hard to hold while you type. Feels solid in the case and just perfect to grip while typing.

I won't even bother looking at a phone if it doesn't have a keyboard.
[Epic 4G General] tydynrain:
When I originally decided to buy an Android phone back in June, one of the requirements for me was a good physical keyboard. At the Sprint store where I got it, there was one phone that was higher end, but it didn't have the physical keyboard, so I went with the Epic. I love the versatility of being able to use multiple software keyboards, and still slide out a hardware keyboard if needed. Since I'm always rooting and modding friends' phones, I use the software-only keyboards on them often, and most of the time it drives me batty not being able to silde out a real keyboard. ;-)
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
I swore I would never get a phone without a physical keyboard but I got the ET4G and the extra screen size makes it almost impossible to hit the wrong letter..especially in landscape mode. That being said, if they figure out a way to get a phone the size of the Epic Touch with a physical keyboard and keep it slim I would get it on day 1
[Epic 4G General] snowmanwithahat:
I never used the keyboard on my epic... Made the whole phone feel flimsy and cheap because of all the slop in the hinge. with Swype there is absolutely no reason to need a physical keyboard.

I do moss using the game grip and playing emulators though
[Epic 4G General] JohnCorleone:
Yeah that wiggle when physical keyboard is open that you get after a bit was somewhat irritating. My friend has (I believe) a G2 with a physical keyboard and it is thin and solid when keyboard is open
[Epic 4G General] Grogck:
I use the touchscreen/SWYPE a fair bit but if I really need to be able to just truly type I still find the keyboard indispensable. With the hardware keyboard don't have to stop and look to see if the software keyboard guessed the word correctly. I can just power through the message/thought all at once with little/no concerns.

That said, I do think the hardware keyboards are going to become increasingly less common. And with the 4.3" devices the software keyboards are increasingly easy to use. Plus, speech-to-text will get exponentially better over the next few years. However, I think some of the devices now are almost getting TOO thin and difficult to hold.
[Epic 4G General] yulost:
is there any rumor of a galaxy sII epic touch? A sprint employee had told me, is this true?
[Epic 4G General] Skunk Ape1:
I have found I have never used the physical keyboard since day 1. I was an opening day epic buyer and the physical keyboard was one of the things that poked me to it. Lol... The only time I've opened it was to get in download mode.
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
Right now I find that even top tier keyboards can't produce the wpm rate of a good physical keyboard although SwiftKey, which I currently use does have good predictions which saved time.

Plus the fact that half the screen is covered is just irritating with a virtual keyboard.
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
Some people were recommending the Galaxy Note with the 5.3" screen. They say that with the XL screen, it's great for typing.
[Epic 4G General] icebear8:
they fixed that on the stratosphere =)

i don't see why the strat would get ICS and the epic wont? even if the strat does get ics it can allways be ported over
[Epic 4G General] GrStead123:
I myself am getting more and more worried that this maybe the last "flagship" phone with a keyboard that sprint ever releases. The new Moto Droid 3/RAZR phone looks so badass, but it VZW, and they suck. Wish the Droid line would come over to Sprint. I'll never have a phone that doesn't have a physical keyboard. On screen sucks.
[Epic 4G General] MrPib:
The Droid4 looks awesome! Definitely my next phone.

Vote with your wallet -- dump Sprint and go to Verizon. But you have to tell Sprint why you're leaving!
[Epic 4G General] cusp:
Swipe messing up, inserting the wrong word, and resisting edits is why I have a keyboard. Just slide it open and swipe is no longer in the way.
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
I will probably get something new when i get the chance. I love the HW keyboard don't get me wrong, but with the new ICS keyboard, typing in portrait or landscape is a breeze. For me, the HW keyboard is a luxury.
[Epic 4G General] scottspa74:
HW keyboards such a waste. I mean, with a virtual KB (especially the new ICS KB ) on a 4.3"+ screen, why would anyone want/need a hard KB?? I can type a million times faster on my evo KB than on my brothers Samsung HW KB? Get over it people, it's just mental block.

Congrats to everyone
[Epic 4G General] zanderman112:
Wow, obvious, troll is obvious.
[Epic 4G General] chidveer:
Hi,

How can we get suggestions while using the physical keyboard in Captivate Glide.

Thanks in advance.
[Epic 4G General] HumanXv2:
I really like my kb, and it will be hard to give it up without gaining something. I guess a bigger screen would make it easier but I'm still not fond of virtual kbs
[Epic 4G General] juliocmorales93:
I find that using go keyboard is great for this, spell checks and does everything while using the physical keyboard, you can find it in the market. As far as having a phone with a physical keyboard, it's just great and can never be beat at least for me. I just recently got the game gripper and was thinking that this would be a great gaming device whenever I did upgrade to another phone. I used to be a palm pre owner and could barely live with the small hardware kb but I got used to it, then I got the epic and fell in love. As far as more flagship phones with hardware kb I doubt it will ever happen, but they will never go away. I would rather buy a mid range quad core with hardware kb than a flagship phone when my update comes up. Also with the increase in screen size comes better innovation in hardware kb, for example the double play that has a mini touchscreen in between the keyboard seems to be a good idea, and there was also that concept phone that could switch out a keyboard for a gamepad or whatever was needed from Microsoft so I doubt they will ever go away. Oops I guess I got carried away typing on my physical keyboard, would have probably been frustrated half way through with swype.
[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
Try typing in several lines of code using the on screen KB and then see if you still think that way. ;)

Agreed, but it a very common view, by those use their Android phones as an iPhone replacement

For those that actually use it as a computer replacement, a HW keyboard is a critical item to have

Coding scripts, or doing ADB commands and such, on a on screen kb is a straight out joke.
[Epic 4G General] .OmEgA:
Physical keyboard = flip phone.

No flagship flip phones.

No flagship keyboard phones.

Times change, thing advance. Aka trends. Don't get all upset about it.

You prove no point with what you've said. A phone is not meant to replace a computer. A phone is designed to make phone calls, text, and browse the web along with other things. The phones now come with a lot of perks now but nothing that replaces a computer like how you said. Writing code is something a phone was never designed for, you're using it out of its environment. So crying about how a phone isn't code writing friendly is absurd. Use a computer that can write codes much more easily and meant to do such a thing, not a phone.
[Epic 4G General] .OmEgA:
Edit: double post.
[Epic 4G General] D-Buckner:
I disagree! Why is there so many different office suites on the market then?
[Epic 4G General] .OmEgA:
Good point but those apps are built to share, edit, or create documents on the go that can easily been done on either physical or on screen keyboards. You use much more special characters in let's say three lines of code then you would a paragraph that you would type up in a document.

Every device has a purpose and abilities it can do. Using an app to type up something is far more practical than using a phone to write up codes. But don't get me wrong, typing up some sort of code can easily be done on either one. Just the on screen keyboard requires maybe one or two more keystrokes, which tbh shouldn't be a deal breaker, just shows how lazy one is.
[Optimus One, P500, V General] virusshah1997:
Is der anyway to make calls through wifi\cell network

I live in india so i cant use google voice

Nd i hve uninor sim
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Umang96:
Try using skype and you can then call to any android, ios or PC.....

Video chat is also possibe but not for this device as it has no front camera..

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Hit THANKS if i helped you.. :)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] ebe_robert:
Nimbuzz worked fine for me.. Give it a Shot ;)
[Optimus One, P500, V General] virusshah1997:
I m asking from cell to landline, non android cell

Normal calling..
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Umang96:
skype can call landlines and phones but u need to pay for it
[Optimus One, P500, V General] virusshah1997:
free one
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Joel Chan:
I don't know any calling ones but I know of apps that give you a free mobile number to use. For texting
[Optimus One, P500, V General] virusshah1997:
can u share it ?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] Ianis G. Vasilev:
There are many SIP services online (ex. Skype, Voipwise, Smartvoip...). Skype is useful for landline calls, but other services are cheaper for mobile. Check them all, they have different promotions and prices.
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
Just a suggestion but perhaps one of the mods could move this to the developer's forum (or sticky it and make the links have http:// in front)? The OP could not post it there since they do not have 10 posts yet, but they're a friend of mine and we worked together to unbrick their device.
[Kindle Fire General] bjanice44:
unbricking from recovery

I am going to try the method for unbricking, but not sure it will work on mine. My fire is stuck on the boot screen where it has a long message saying there is a problem with the fire and that it needs to restore the apps and bring it back to default.

It then says to press the power button continue with the restore. Then it completes, says success, then reboots right back into the same message screen all over again.

When I adb devices I get "firexxxxxSN recovery"

I am hoping fastboot can help me or perhaps I need to re-image recovery or boot.

What happened was this. I tried to follow a method to change my wallpapers using metamorph. I followed all the steps then started getting theme errors and such while in the kindle. I rebooted and was stuck in the bootloop as described here.

Being the novice I am, I thought I could then copy over a fresh copy of "system" from the fire system dump that was posted. I did this and this is where I am now.

Any help would be appreciated. It might be a good idea for us to figure this one out so that we have the procedure.
[Kindle Fire General] transfuntioner:
you dont need root to run idme.

But since you can get root, try clearing the /data/dalvik-cache by hand & reboot.. much quicker than a full userdata wipe.
[Kindle Fire General] bjanice44:
Hi, assuming your responding to me, whats idme? Right now I cant get root just a bootloop. And when I adb devices I get my device serial # recovery where is normally says device serial # device

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Here is the exact message I get on the screen:

'Your Kindle has detected a problem and must clear app storage. The recovery process will erase some applications and data from your device. Apps from the appstore are stored in the cloud and can be reinstalled later.

This will reset your kindle to its original factory settings. you will need to re-register your kindle prior to downloading items from your Amazon account.

Please press power button to proceed.'

After i press the power button I get a status bar indicating the restore, it then says success, then reboots and ultimately comes back to the same restore screen as noted above.

Any help is appreciated.
[Kindle Fire General] bjanice44:
Hey, can you please tell me how you get into fastboot? I went to the wiki and did everything it said there but am stuck because I am getting stuck on step 5

Boot device into bootloader - How do I do this? Is this simply powering on the fire?

Make sure the device is in FASTBOOT and not HBOOT - same question
[Kindle Fire General] justki:
I'm getting "zergRush: permission denied" any help?
[Kindle Fire General] md202000:
Wow, I'm so glad I found this! You just may be my life/job saver. I'm going to try this right now and reply with status.
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
I tried this previous to what I explained in my fix above and it didn't work. I was still stuck in bootloop and getting the same errors in the logs.
[Kindle Fire General] md202000:
@transfuntioner - This sounds logical and I did try this. In my specific case it didn't work either but may work for others.
[Kindle Fire General] md202000:
Done! Thanks ubeezee your awesomeness knows no boundaries. I owe you big-time:D! I'ma gonna buy you a whole case of beers. :):)
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
@md202000 Glad it worked for you!
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
Can you give more explanation (i.e. what you were doing beforehand)?

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Don't rely on the wiki directions...those are meant for other devices (particularly phones). Just do the steps listed in the OP in that order. You won't get some screen that explicitly says FASTBOOT. You'll just assume you are there because fastboot commands will work (and the fact you told the device to go into fastboot before rebooting it through bootmode idme).

Just because you have a bootloop, does not imply you cannot do things like run adb. You need to run "adb shell" with the kindle plugged into the computer and then push over the zergRush exploit and get root and then switch the mode to FASTBOOT. You cannot as far as I know get into FASTBOOT on the device unless you are able to tell it to through temp rooting and adb first.

From trying that with ubeezee, it did nothing to help on its own. It took clearing out all user data to trigger a restore that did something useful.
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
Did you try it out?
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
I think I know why, I forgot to add that you need to run chmod 755 on zergRush.(see updated first post)

adb shell chmod 755 /data/local/tmp/zergRush

after you push zergRush
[Kindle Fire General] dingo8baby:
i got to step 3 and there is no animation over the letters, so i think i am in fastboot, but i can not access the shell anymore. it appears my device is not being seen by adb? evn at a cmd prompt i tried fastboot devices and that shows nothing either.

any advice?
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
I'm not totally sure what you mean. Are you trying to access adb while in fastboot? Because that will not work.

When you're in fastboot, you don't use adb, you use fastboot commands to wipe all the user data (see the reference link in the OP for the commands that work on fastboot and note that it's nothing like adb). Fastboot runs a much lower level than anything you access in adb--it's like being in the BIOS for your computer more or less. It wont show "devices" or anything like that unless you explicitly run the "fastboot -i 0x1949 devices" command (I didn't bother to run that command on the kindle, I just jumped ahead and had it wiped using fastboot, since it didn't really matter if it detected it or not).

However, even if you don't run that command to show devices, you'll know it works when you run the fastboot command to wipe data and it gives you a reply. If it doesn't give a reply and just hangs, then you weren't in fastboot (or you typed the command wrong) and need to try again (press ctrl+c to cancel the command, but just FYI, it takes 3-5 minutes for it to wipe all data, so be patient before canceling).
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
Like yareally said, you should move on to step 4 if you are in fastboot. The only time you will need to access adb shell is when it says on the instructions.
[Kindle Fire General] dingo8baby:
ok, i'm sorry if i wasn't clear.

I saw the $ prompt, so I assumed the commands were run in a adb shell.

If i run the fastboot commands in a cmd window, this is the output:

C:\android-sdk-windows\tools>fastboot -i 0x1949 -w

usage: fastboot [ <option> ] <command>

commands:

update <filename> reflash device from update.zip

flashall 'flash boot' + 'flash system'

flash <partition> [ <filename> ] write a file to a flash partition

erase <partition> erase a flash partition

getvar <variable> display a bootloader variable

boot <kernel> [ <ramdisk> ] download and boot kernel

flash:raw boot <kernel> [ <ramdisk> ] create bootimage and flash it

devices list all connected devices

reboot reboot device normally

reboot-bootloader reboot device into bootloader

options:

-w erase userdata and cache

-s <serial number> specify device serial number

-p <product> specify product name

-c <cmdline> override kernel commandline
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
I'm a bit confused as to what you are doing. What were you using before to enter commands? Whatever you were using that got you to step 3, was what you need to use. There should always be $ infront of your commands.

Oh I just saw the problem, the fastboot your using is out of date. Theres no -i command. I think the one that I linked was out of date too.. I'll upload the one I have which is the most current and link it on the main post. Sorry about that! So just start over after you update fastboot using whatever you were using before to enter commands that got you into fastboot.
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
No, no one has gotten it to work :rolleyes:
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
Try unpluging/replugging the device, restarting computer, hard resetting the device, different computer even.. these are all solutions people in earlier posts have found solved your problem. Please make sure you read other posts in the thread, they have a lot of useful information and solutions!
[Kindle Fire General] jennzster:
ubeezee,

I have already tried everything you suggested but to no avail. I even uninstalled and installed the driver multiple times. =/

I was trying to change some wallpapers so that's the reason why it got this way. I read that I can push the frameworks-res.apk but I am still getting the device not found error in cmd.

At the time of the posting I got the black screen with "kindle fire" and no animation.

Now its bootlooping and I have absolutely no idea what to do.

Please help!
[Kindle Fire General] fr4nk1yn:
So much for goofing around with the Kindle Fire.

I messed it up once today, fixed it with these instructions, and based on the success of that I played with the settings.db permissions. yup...

So now it's stuck in fastboot, kindle fire screen, no animation, two computers and two cables no longer can connect to it with fastboot or adb.

running anything in fastboot say "< waiting on device >".
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
Then you're not in fastboot. It wont say that if you are really in fastboot.
[Kindle Fire General] pemaponline:
Help please

hello, i can not push zergRush to my kindle fire. The command prompt says something like this:

there is no such files or directories on your device.

How can I do to solve this?

The problem started when I tried to root my kindle and install gApps, kindle like went crazy, I tried to shut it down but I couldn't press the shut down button. So I tried hard reset, turned device off, then on, and then there a message told me to press power button to reset to factory setting, i pressed it, restart, and that message keeps appearing.

When i try "adb" command, it recognizes my device, there a string of number and the word "recovery" at the end, which have to be the word "device".

Any help I will appreciate, and thank you very much.
[Kindle Fire General] Texanz06:
This is the message I'm getting since getting the new update, That is why I need to restore the Kindle to factory has anyone seen this before.

Thanks for any help.
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
did you download the files and put them in the directory that you are navigated to? C: drive for instance and you should be at something like C:\KindleFireRoot\files>
[Kindle Fire General] fr4nk1yn:
Then where am I?

adb doesnt work either, That gives "device not found".

I'm lost.
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
In that case, you're in limbo, lol (j/k) :)

I dunno, you're in the same place as all the other people that have said they couldn't adb or fastboot to work for whatever random reason that involves restarting adb or the device or trying another computer or some other configuration issue.

I would go back through the thread and see what the others have done in that situation and how they solved it.
[Kindle Fire General] fr4nk1yn:
more like purgatory. Still lost.

I tried fastboot -i 0x1949 oem idme bootmode 4000 and it just said "OK". wtf?

fastboot -i 0x1949 reboot and it comes back up and lets me wipe.

I'm going to play it safe for at least 10 minutes.

-edit: Even weirder: after it booted I started to copy over the gapp files and they're already there. and the bloat I removed aren't.
[Kindle Fire General] neilrl79:
i would like to thank ubeezee and filovirus, you guys gave me enough knowledge to fix my bootlooping fire. still not sure how it got ****ed up tho.
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
no problem, glad you got it working!
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
If you are following the steps you would see that it is supposed to say OKAY

$ fastboot -i 0x1949 oem idme bootmode 4000

... OKAY [ 0.219s]

finished. total time: 0.219s

what is it doing now? still bootlooping after you restored properly?
[Kindle Fire General] fr4nk1yn:
it's up and running now. Thanks! I do stoopid things and need a way out sometimes, this saved me twice :)
[Kindle Fire General] ubeezee:
Good to hear :)
[Kindle Fire General] pemaponline:
I've already done that. The missing files or folders are the "folders" in my kindle fire, not the zergRush. Mean that my com cannot recognize the storage of kindle fire, just the device.
[Kindle Fire General] kasner:
How to point driver manually ?

BR Kasner
[Kindle Fire General] Xeddicus:
http://reviewhorizon.com/2011/11/ho...n-superoneclick-also-enable-sideloading-apps/

Look at the note after part E for step 3.
[Kindle Fire General] Texanz06:
FastBoot

After downloading the program Fastboot, and trying to run it I get this Message (The program can't start because AdbApi.dll is missing from your computer. Try re installing the program to fix this problem. Please help.

Thanks

David
[Kindle Fire General] ITS ME DAVID:
Is there simpler way if your kindle fire loads to home screen then reboots after like mine will load let u slide to unlock then once at the homes screen it reboots.
[Kindle Fire General] yareally:
huh?

huh²?

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Because you are lacking adb and the library (dll file) that goes with it (from the android sdk). Download the sdk (just the tools and platform tools, otherwise you'll download a crapload of stuff) from google and try again. If that does not work still, stick fastboot in the same directory adb is in or stick adb and the dll file you are missing (which should be in the same directory as adb) into the same directory you have fastboot.

BTW (preempting before you ask) if you have troubles finding the files, using ctrl+f (or the search box in newer versions of windows) in an explorer window when you initially open up your C: or whatever drive will work wonders :)