yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
And you think e-petitions are better? Good luck with that.

There are different ways to communicate. Some more effective, some less. E-petition is at the bottom of the heap, followed by e-mail.

Money--ie making vendor lose money with refunds--is the most powerful method of persuasion. Sure, there may not be enough people to make the vendor reconsider, but it beats moping around and twirling your thumbs, hoping the vendor will change its mind with some dumb e-petition, no?

BTW, techies have an outsized influence on vendor decisions, as long as they know the proper buttons to push. B&N right now is in a battle with Amazon for e-readers. Saying that you'll get a Kindle Fire, and will recommend everyone to do so, is a big button you can push. Forcing the vendor to lose money with refunds is another.

In any case, if your envisioned use is a rooted NT, then this isn't it, so why hang onto it? If/when the NT is rooted, you can always buy it again.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] DarkDvr:
People have different reasons.

For one, if I were to call for mass returns of NT, that'd greatly decrease interest in rooting the NT, which makes it even worse. If you decided NT is not for you and u want KF - godspeed, I'm sure you've got your reasons.

And no, petitions are NOT worthless. Not with decent companies. As I've mentioned, ask SuperCurio and his collaboration with Samsung.

I, for one, had a $100 gift card for B&N, so it's $150 NT versus $200 KF for me. Regardless, even without that giftcard, I'd still not go for KF when there's NT around, cause KF is just gimped and kinda useless.

Regardless, can we please return to the topic of this thread - I'm looking for someone's help writing a letter to B&N asking them for help achieving root for developers.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>If you decided NT is not for you and u want KF - godspeed, I'm sure you've got your reasons.

I've no interest in the KF, and for now, the NT. But it doesn't hurt to tell B&N that I consider their competition to be better, for persuasion purposes.

>And no, petitions are NOT worthless. Not with decent companies.

"not with decent companies".. :)

Life's experience isn't something that can be told, I suppose. Good luck with your quixotic quest. Please do keep the NT past the return period, and make B&N happy.

Yes, let's return to the topic of e-petition. Below is a piece that'll let you know your chances. Welcome to the world of SLACKTIVISM. :)

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] beatlesfan01:
Dude, we get it. You're not happy. Return your NT and leave the NT forum. We're all just trying to have a friendly discussion here. There's no need to be so negative. Thank you.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
Sorry, I didn't see the "Happy and Positive Fanboys Only" admittance sign.

And you're welcome.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] RussianMenace:
I don't think he was being negative at all. He merely attempted to explain how e-petitions are, by far, the least effective method of having a business change their practice. He then suggested an alternative of voicing your opinion with you wallet, the only voice business care to listen to. I think everyone just needs to slow down, take a breath, and stop taking any dissenting opinion/post as a personal attack.

~cheers
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] reverenddak:
Actually, not communicating reasons of dissatisfaction is worst, way worst.

If you don't let them know why you're returning, not purchasing, etc, they'll never get the message. A message is better than nothing.

Communication is a skill everyone needs to learn and exercise, and this back and forth is a perfect example of why.

Bottom-line: Let B&N know why you're not happy, not buying, or why you're returning it -- and hope they get the message.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] beatlesfan01:
Not a fanboy. I've got a Kindle 3rd gen and a Kindle Touch on the way. I just like 1gb ram and expandable storage. I apologize if I offended in anyway.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] docfreed:
Actually, We Might Be Better Off...

posting or writing to the editors of popular tech blogs, e.g., ZDnet, Engadget, Gizmodo... They will reach a lot more people than an epetition that might go to the 3rd assistant VP of customer satisfaction.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] RussianMenace:
I don't believe that a comparison was being drawn between voicing ones opinion through e-petition and just sitting quietly, taking what B&N serves up. Instead, what was being compared, in simple terms, is the effectiveness of voicing ones dislikes with a product in an angry e-letter, while still giving the company your $260 versus going back to the company, giving them back their product, and voicing ones dislikes with their product while they give you your money back. The latter approach is much more likely to illicit change in behavior.

Unless I completely misunderstood both replies, in which case I apologize to both parties. :D
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
FWIW, below is a persuasive ditty I banged out for the e-petition. It's not the most compelling piece I've ever written, but there isn't much leverage to work with. Feel free to edit/use/ignore it as you please. It's written more as a letter to the recipients than as a petition, so revision will be needed.

(I feel that a printed out snail-mailed letter to specific execs within the co is better than anything electronic. Or better, go through the corporate info for contact numbers, and call any/everyone you think can make a difference. Face-to-face > voice call > snail mail > e-mail > petition)

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Corporate Governance Info

http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com/our_company/management_team/management_team.html

From: The XDA Developers' Nook Fans and Tech Enthusiasts

To: Barnes & Noble Management Team

Mr. Leonard Riggio, Founder and Chairman

Mr. William J. Lynch, Chief Executive Officer

Mr. Chris Troia, Chief Information Officer

Dear Sirs:

We're writing to you as a group of tech enthusiasts and ardent Nook fans from the XDA-Developers forum, in regards to Barnes & Nobles' just-released e-reader, the Nook Tablet. It is a great addition to the Nook family, and we're happy to see it brought to fruition. However, it has some technical snags that we're hoping you would help remove. Hence, the purpose of this petition.

As you may or may not know, we on XDA are a group of hackers, developers, and geeks. We strive to get the most out of our tech devices, and to find new and novel uses for them. Our enthusiasm doesn't stop with us, but also encompasses to all those who rely on us as go-to experts for buying recommendations.

With respect to Android devices, a prerequisite to all this "geek fun" is that the device to not be locked down, so it can be "rooted." The Nook Tablet is locked down, and thus cannot be rooted.

The Nook Color was and still is a great favorite among techies for its tech-friendly openness, and we hope that the Nook Tablet will continue that tradition. We want to make the Tablet to be as popular as possible, and to recommend it to our friends, families, and acquaintances. We note that Amazon's Kindle Fire isn't locked, and has already seen much activity by its users. We want the same for the Nook Tablet.

However, because of the Tablet's present locked-down nature, we cannot enjoy it fully. We hereby ask that you remove the lock so that the Tablet can be as functional as its predecessor. We hope that you will help.

Below is our contact info. We look forward to hearing from you. Thank you in advance for your consideration.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1395 (XDA Nook Tablet group contact)

[insert contact person's email here] (point-contact's email)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] beatlesfan01:
Awesome letter e.mote. Maybe we could remove the word "hacker" as it has a negative connotation attached to it?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] jgaf:
Good job e.mote. I guess snail mail would be better, if we could mail a lot letters or maybe send them cupcakes hahaha. If we could get person specific e-mails, that would be good too, sending a letter to each of them.

the thing is will it work? I guess there's nothing to lose.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
I thought about that, but "hacker" is the proper use, aside from being the truth. I think the positive/negative connotation is fairly balanced in current usage.

As said, I'm leaving this in the hands of whoever wants to spearhead the e-petition effort. I'll help fine-tune it if needed, but the organizer (contact person) will have the final say.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] F14Scott:
I think a very loud message could be sent by ordering an NT online, receiving it, opening it, and then returning it to a B&N store, taking the time to ask for the manager and explain the "no root" reason for the return.

A few of those, per week, per store, would add up to a huge message, and it would not cost the messengers a dime.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] e.mote:
>I think a very loud message could be sent by ordering an NT online, receiving it, opening it, and then returning it to a B&N store, taking the time to ask for the manager and explain the "no root" reason for the return.

I'd agree that it would be more effective, since pocketbook responses are always more effective than write-ins appealing to goodwill. But it's a next step in consumer activism that I doubt many would resort to. It's ethically questionable, since one would be abusing the return policy to make a point.

Personally, I'd draw the line at returning the product (if purchased) and letting the manager know why. It's not just for ethical reason, but the hassle. As someone already said, the NT isn't the only tablet out there. If it doesn't fit, get something else.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] jdebay:
I like it... not perfect but must be trained...

Joe, I agree with you. So far only the apps that I can not get to work are ones that needed rooting. I have been copying them to my home server then back to NT and install and all works fine. Using File Expert to copy back and forth, and then to install.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] soy.lor.n:
I agree with the worthlessness of an online petition, but I think that a form letter such as e.mote posted is a different thing. Anyone upset about the current state of the NT could send B&N emails and/or physical copies of the letter.

I also had the thought to buy the NT and then return it, but if you do that it with no intention of keeping it, at least don't open it first. They can't resell it as new then, and that is abusing the return policy. We want to at least stay ethical in this fight.

B&N said that we were only 3% of their audience, but there are (at least) 2 problems with that number

1) That number applied only with the nook color when there was NO competition. Now that the Kindle Fire is out, a lot of the 97% will be more interested in it due to the Amazon integration. OTOH, most of the "hackers" I know were more interested in the NT because of its supposed better hackability. That was a huge edge they had over the KF and now they've lot it. The Fire is now the more hackable device.

2) Also, I think 3% is low. They have no reason to suspect that I am running CM7 on my SD card. They never asked me anything like that and I've never had a reason to tell them. So I have reason to believe I'm being counted in the 97% The number is probably at least double what they think it is.

3) Furthermore, I know I have been very vocal in my love of my NC, prompting at least one of my friends to buy it, and convincing another to get an NT for is girlfriend. (Now I'm going to have to take that recommendation back of course) Even if we are a minority, I bet we're at least as loud as the majority about our support for the nook, meaning that our population is probably growing faster than that of the average user.

But on the other hand, maybe they are losing money on us and don't want us anyway... I know I only bought like one app from them, and I use my NC mostly for reading library books...
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Drewmungus:
I say we take e.motes letter and post it on thier facebook. Facebook works because what it does is put the bootloader issue right in thier face and also rightin front of potential customers. Its kinda like if somebody makes a scene at a resterant saying the food is terrible, the manager wants that person to shut up as soon as possible so people don't walk out/give the resterant a bad rep.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Award Tour:
The answer from B&N would then be that there isn't a market for this device. They'll either release a more expensive device without the expectation of B&N services subsidizing the price or they'll just focus efforts on software on other hardware. The latter is more likely.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] DarkDvr:
Well, sitting here not doing sh*t is even worse, I think.

If you think official letter from buyers sill not work, then propose something else and follow through.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] soy.lor.n:
I do like that idea, then we can all post replies saying that we also have a problem with the signed bootloader
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] roustabout:
I think maybe before writing this letter, it's worth finding out how locked the device is. The idea of sending a letter like this, this soon? come on, let's see some basic due diligence.

There were people in the first days after release saying that it didn't have ADB.

Since then, it's been rooted via zergrush over ADB.

Has anyone tried putting it into fastboot mode? Sounding out what the device identifiers are to see if it accepts the oem unlock command? Accepting that running on an unlocked bootloader, if the command's accepted, may disable Netflix support?

I really feel like the tone here is that people expected the device to ship rooted for them, and that there's something in the Constitution that means they can send 20 bucks and a note to BN and expect to get a CM9 sd card by return mail.

The first folks who got first root on the NC? They tore it apart, pulled out the internal memory and studied that. That was some actual work, and a willingness to part with 250 on a blown device if need be.

That was some actual hacking.

So far, I don't think there's been a window for the actual XDA hackers to work on this. I'm going to be real polite and not suggest any specific words that a letter in this tone, written this early, might want to substitute for 'hackers' :)
[Kindle Fire General] DssTrainer:
So I'm sure a lot of you had the plan that you just enable wireless tethering on your android phone and connect your kindle fire that way... Well Amazon in their infinite wisdom has disabled that ability. That is pretty much my number 1 need at the moment. I travel a lot and this should have been the first thing amazon added support for since they don't offer a 3G version.

Hopefully with some roms this will be working
[Kindle Fire General] mewshi:
As a temporary work-around, certain wifi-tether apps can be setup for infrastructure (rather than ad-hoc) mode. May be worth looking into.
[Kindle Fire General] Kcarpenter:
Amazon didn't do it, Android in general doesn't do adhoc. OeMs and users have to patch in Support for it.
[Kindle Fire General] rexboe:
I got the new wifi tether 3.1 experimental 101 on my bionic and it will connect to my kindle. Works great.
[Kindle Fire General] big gulps huh?:
Yep, the newer betas have the ability
[Kindle Fire General] DssTrainer:
delete me please
[Kindle Fire General] spyngamerman:
ensure u select "softap master" for the setup method in wifi tether latest experimental seems thats only way to get it tethering :P but it works
[Kindle Fire General] Thelgow:
I don't know what problems people are having with adhoc. My galaxy s vibrant, I went to mobile ap, turned it on, connected with kindle and was working fine.

Doesn't seem to me thekindle has any problems,maybe its how your droid phone sets up wifi
[Kindle Fire General] mclad:
No, its the kindle. Try setting up a adhoc wifi from your PC or laptop - the Fire won't see it but phones with e.g. cyanogenmod will. Still trying to find a workaround as I need adhoc wireless from PC/laptop...
[Kindle Fire General] ukulele_ninja:
I got my kindle to connect to my Captivate running wifi tether 3.1, but it wont actually transmit any data. I use static IP's with my home network on the kindle but that shouldnt impact the infrastructure mode with wifi tether would it?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dblkspecial:
I've been hearing about the gb camera issues a lil bit. I don't use mine all that much but what's the problem with the camera? Also, is there any benefits to flashing a froyo rom and not use gb?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
Froyo ROMS are extremely stable, everything works and the battery life, with the right kernel can be fantastic.

I recommend Koni Elite III. It's in the Dev section
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacoballen22:
Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo, nuff said there. Amazing battery life.

Sent from my RED XDA.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmwilsoniv:
Ditto that!

Not the latest, but definitely the greatest.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacoballen22:
If it wasn't for MIUI I would go back, also use my Droid X keyboard, it was awesome.

Sent from my RED XDA.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
Can't take nothing away from Myn or Mik... top notch super devs, but i like a little eye candy on my phone, and those guy have the plainest, most stock looking Roms out there.

Koni ftw
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jacoballen22:
Never tried Mik or Koni so I wouldn't know, but MIUI has me content until I feel it necessary to upgrade to galaxy S 2 unless there is something better I don't know about.

Sent from my RED XDA.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alaman68:
Koni was unbeatable with NA 4.3.2 SBC. Good times
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigblueshock:
What's wrong with GB camera? My phone reboots every time I take a "detailed" picture.

Other than that, I prefer GB. It's pretty fast.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmwilsoniv:
That was my experience with Synergy (non Godmode). That and terrible lag. I take 50-100 full-res pics/day on construction project and need a working camera.

Any suggestions for a GB rom that compares to Myn's 2.2? Stable and easy on the battery. I'm looking to start playing with this video chat thing and it seems that Froyo based ROMS are a non-starter.

I have an extra Evo I can flash to take 'em for a spin. Would love to give it a go..

Suggestions??
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alaman68:
Tommy tomatoes 0.0.4 is beautifully reliable and battery is above average, specifically with freedom 0.9 aggressive kernel
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmwilsoniv:
Thanks,

I was just looking at that. It's on my download list.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HipKat:
Tommy is one of the best themers the Evo has ever seen. I'm sure his ROM is fabulous!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigblueshock:
I lowered the ISO down to 200, and that seemed to fix my problem. But in any case, I've gotten the problems in Synergy as well as Mik (regardless of versions).

To be honest, I love Mik's rom's so much, I can deal with the camera issue for now. Battery life is amazing and performance is great. I use Lithid's kernel with Aggressive voltages and Interactive X govenor.

I'm waiting until Virus gets 4G implemented into his 3.5 Sense rom (in the changelog it says this might happen soon). I don't use 4G all the time, but I do like to have it "on demand" when I need and tether.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chad_Petree:
I'm very used to having my menu and back back button vibrate , do the "Multitask, back and home button" on the galaxy nexus vibrate ? :confused:

I'm very curious to know, was the horrible banding fixed? can u post some pictures, here's a reminder of what we have now, gradients are UNUSABLE

Nexus one on the left vs iphoen on the right
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MrTechie:
Vibration is a switchable setting
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Shodney:
I haven't noticed any banding. Is there a way to test it?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chad_Petree:
I'll upload a couple of horrible looking images on my galaxy s ii so you can try them on your galaxy nexus

Its turned off by defult?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] MrTechie:
Cant remember... I dont think so...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] el3ctrik:
I have not changed the default, and all 3 of mine vibrate on press.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
Have you tried using a higher quality image to test out the color banding problem?

remember almost all apps made in the market are for 800x480 images
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chad_Petree:
i dont have a galaxy nexus :( i just wanna know if the problem was fixed , here a couple of images to test the banding issue , they're unusable as wallpapers on my sgs ii

[/URL]
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chad_Petree:
Can someone try these wallpapers on your galaxy nexus ? just for the sake of science :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
wasn't this an issue with the launcher and some apps not supporting 32-bit

I think this was an issue on the Nexus One Gallery app, and once updated, it fixed it. Also some launchers have a Hi-Res mode which fixed banding issues.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mezzyg:
No banding from me, from any of those pics
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dinan:
I notice that trying to set wallpapers on my SGS2 I get better quality when using the app "Wallpaper set and save". Search for it in the market and try applying your wallpapers with it and see if it helps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spr33:
No banding here on my GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cycletrials:
these work fine but as i have not enough posts i cant upload a pic

chris
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chad_Petree:
I had this issue with my milestone, inspire 4g and galaxy s ii :( so it was an android thing

Pictures? please :)
[HTC EVO 3D] ParrSt:
Are there any games or apps that use the 3d display? I know the phone comes with two, but I was looking to see if there were any on the market and they were all 3d words rendered in 2d. I was looking for some cool games or apps that use the 3d display. any suggestions?

Bob
[HTC EVO 3D] hitman4274:
Gameloft is what your looking for, not very many out yet, having the 3d technology is a blessing and a curse, not very many 3d phones out there using the same stuff we got.

Best bet is to hit up their website. I've tried a few, spiderman seems to use the 3d graphics the best imo..

Oh before you get flamed... The search button is a wonderful tool. There is a thread about the 3d games somewhere, saw it awhile back...

Shot from my shooter in 3D

injected with cleanrom2.8
[HTC Amaze 4G] lester1:
I got mine on Oct 16 for $259.99 with $50 rebate (yet to be received). Tomorrow only sale at TMO for all their phones. Amaze $199.99 - $150 MIR = $49.99..

"tmonews.com/2011/11/smartphone-tablet-price-breakdown-for-magenta-saturday-sale/" (add the hypertext transfer protocol colon slash slash dub dub dub dot at the beginning -I can't post urls yet!) :(

Wished you had waited to get yours? I personally don't have regrets for getting it last month - it's a great smartphone. :)

Hope this helps someone who's been sitting on the fence for a purchase...
[HTC Amaze 4G] iGoOsE76:
I have one already and I paid full price no contract... This is very tempting to get another for the wifey....
[HTC Amaze 4G] nguyendqh:
This is a deal only with a new contract under the "Value" plan.

You basically put down 199.99 for the phone get 150 MIR

and then pay 20 dollars a month for 20 months.

Bringing the total to 450 for the phone. The deal comes from the MIR.

But like I said, requires new contract under the value plan.

I think it's cheaper to get it through a classic plan but you end up paying more for the length of the contract.

Haven't crunched all the numbers myself, but there you have it.

And I am getting this deal tomorrow.
[HTC Amaze 4G] elhalisf:
It is actually a very good deal.

Under a 2 line family plan, this deal with a value plan would save you about $600 over a 2 year period versus the classic plan.

Classic plan

$140 x 24 months

$260 x 2 phones

=$3,880

value plan

$100 x 24 months

$50 x 2 phones

$20 monthly payment per phone x 2 phones x 20 months

= $3,300