yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Defy Android Development] zyxwvut:
It is very complex, but in short 2nd init hijacks Moto's /init when it tries mounting /data and instead mount's "CM's" /data it also remounts root partition as RW and copies CM7's ramdisk over top of Moto's ramdisk. Even though Moto's ramdisk is RO it loads itself into memory and once booted, it can then be overwritten with a custom ramdisk, eventually the kernel is "tricked" into rewriting /init with our own /init. You are still using Moto's kernel as this is loaded very low-level and BEFORE 2nd init takes place. I might be wrong, but it seems impossible to stop a kernel from running to load a new one as this would kill everything. I suppose kernel emulation is "possible" MAYBE, but then we are dealing with kernel emulation!

EDIT: The more I think about it I really don't think kernel emulation is even "possible" but maybe I'm wrong
[Defy Android Development] the|gamer:
Well but it is possible to use kexec as the Milestone Users do, don't they?

But last time I red about this they did not got the RIL to work (no 3G/Calls)
[Defy Android Development] glycolysis:
It's possible, using kexec to load another kernel (or just a bootloader). Unfortunately there's no source code for the bootloader, so no one but Moto knows how to initialize the radio. :(

The idea is pretty old; it is called 2nd-boot. I don't think anyone is working on it anymore, especially after 2nd-init was invented and satisfied 99% of people's needs. More information here: http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/2ndboot
[Defy Android Development] zyxwvut:
I completely forgot about kexec and kdump! and you are probably absolutely right! My apologies....I don't pretend to know everything, I promise. But ya without bootloader source it definitely seems impossible to initialize the radio. The above referenced wiki says a user named Yakk is attempting a patched mbm which could initialize the radio..... I wonder if he has given up on this?

Edit: just realized the wiki is kinda old so I'm sure he has stopped his attempts
[Defy Android Development] swapnil360:
Don't worry we'll get an awesome build soon. We have awesome devs. The Galaxy S runs ICS better than Defy but only for now ;-)
[Defy Android Development] thedoginthewok:
Dude are you sure ?

Where do we even stand right now ?

When I read the first post, all I know for sure is that we don't have much of a complete Rom. Although I didn't read the 200(+) pages after Page 1 but I don't really think that there is so much progress, that we will have a fine working Rom soon. But I sure as hell hope so.
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
Now if the locked bootloader is still a problem, then maybe this problem will be solved soon, as Google has recently bought Motorola.

Maybe Google will unlock all bootloaders of the Motorola phones, as they are not against custom ROMs.
[Defy Android Development] free2live:
Dream on...like we all do...we have a great phone but the bootloader

Is giving our devs headaches and nightmares

Sent from Kepler-22b DEFYing Motorola
[Defy Android Development] shorty66:
Have you even tried the 13-12 nightly?

Its an almost full working rom except for the camera and some minor issues - i use it as every day rom now and dont want to go back to cm7...
[Defy Android Development] adkit:
Still waiting for camera :(

when camera is work , i change cm9 immediately:mad:
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
I think it will take a long time to get the camera working, maybe it will never work.
[Defy Android Development] Cocolopes:
Yes but because of that we can use coustom kernels...so we have problem to make the things work..;)

On my defy...from ICS...yes!!! in your face Motorola!!!
[Defy Android Development] adkit:
i hope cm9 team can solve it

BTW,why u said that camera will never work?because of the ics system not support defy hardware?
[Defy Android Development] gommers1978:
Why are allot of people waiting for the camera to work?? Let the Dev's first take care of allot of bugs that are mentioned by all testers, camera should have the last priority i would think. And also let the Dev's take their time they have their private lives 2 you know.;)
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
Yes. I think the dev's would have to create a new driver for the camera, and as hardware drivers are loaded by the kernel and we can't use custom kernels, i don't think that this will work.

But let's see, maybe I'm totally wrong.
[Defy Android Development] Shubhamqweasd:
https://github.com/CyanogenDefy/and...mmit/7c3a5ad423550616dc0c8f9032ca290ff7e11bc9

wow these commits are raising my hope for working camera !
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
"if (mCameraType == CAM_SOC)" sounds good, as I have the SOC camera and not the Bayer one :D
[Defy Android Development] yangyusen:
me too

--Posts merged--

what is SOC camera, and how to know whether a camera is a soc one or not
[Defy Android Development] thedoginthewok:
Well, lets be honest. If the camera isn't working, then it is nowhere near "fully working".

Sure it is great, that everything except the camera seems to work just fine, but I won't try a Rom, when I know that there is an essential feature that doesn't work.

I will just wait and hope.
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
Look at the lense of your camera, if it is green then you have the SOC camera, and if it is red then you have the Bayer camera.
[Defy Android Development] marco_:
see Red or Green lens topic.
[Defy Android Development] blackwing182:
i think it i s for cm7, not shure if it merge the ICS on top of cm7 gingerbread! :) just saying
[Defy Android Development] twa_priv:
Yes, the commit is for CM7 and related to a camera flashlight bug (not sure exactly what the bug is). I don't think it's related to ICS/GB Kernel/SOC device.
[Defy Android Development] lord0815:
There are some camera specific commits also for ics branch

https://github.com/Quarx2k/android_device_motorola_jordan/tree/ics/modules

And i even dont know if it is correct to call some soc and some bayer cam...

i think both use bayer filter?!

In deep this is the red lens (defy+ in my case)

<6>[ 0.000000] I2C-3 devices: HP_GEN_LENS,lm3554_led,mt9p012
<6>[ 0.000000] HP_GEN_LENS -> I2C bus-3
<6>[ 0.000000] lm3554_led -> I2C bus-3
<6>[ 0.000000] mt9p012 -> I2C bus-3
.
.
.
<6>[ 9.347473] cam_reset_gpio 98
<6>[ 9.364654] mt9p012 3-0036: model id detected 0x2803 mfr 0x6
<6>[ 9.380371] HP_GEN_LENS 3-0004: lens probe called....
<6>[ 9.380554] video4linux video0: video0 is now omap3/mt9p012/hplens/

and this is the green lens (oder defy in my case)

<6>[ 0.000000] I2C-3 devices: HP_GEN_LENS,lm3554_led,mt9p012,camise
<6>[ 0.000000] HP_GEN_LENS -> I2C bus-3
<6>[ 0.000000] lm3554_led -> I2C bus-3
<6>[ 0.000000] mt9p012 -> I2C bus-3
<6>[ 0.000000] camise -> I2C bus-3
.
.
.
<6>[ 9.736206] camera_misc_probe - probe function called
<6>[ 9.736328] fun camera_misc_probe gpio_cam_reset=98 gpio_cam_pwdn=64
<6>[ 9.736816] camise Sensor detected
<6>[ 9.737243] video4linux video3: video3 is now omap3/camise//

Yes a little bit off topic but there is no current thread for camera

with defy cm9

We will see :)
[Defy Android Development] adkit:
In my view, camera function is important than bugs.

but i dont know how to explain this :P.
[Defy Android Development] nitrous²:
Cowards die many times before their death

Julius Caesar
[Defy Android Development] geecko:
Please refrain from saying random weird stuff and quoting JC. Thank you.
[Defy Android Development] jh20:
because we do use the camera and the defy is my "only" camera!

ya, i know defy's camera is ****, but.....did i say it's my "only" camera? :)

let say if you use the radio everyday when you're travelling on the train to work, or on the bus to school, and i tell you the radio is not important because i "absolute" don't use it at all. and the devs should not waste their time fixing any radio problems but should spend their time on fixing the camera? how would you react to that? ;)

oh, please don't even say go buy a real camera because... i have a wife, if you know what i mean :(
[Defy Android Development] nitrous²:
Sorry, i just wanted to tell, to not give up until we haven't tried anything possible to get a working cam. So, cowards don't try and they're giving up before they've even try. I mean it is not that weird as you think, except the last few words... That was my point, but sry, you're right, I got a little emotional and maybe some euphoric :D. No, seriously, plz excuse me.
[Defy Android Development] twa_priv:
Second that. And it definitely is nice to be able to shoot a quick video or take photos with the camera. Even if I had a camcorder I wouldn't have it with me all the time - but my phone is.
[Defy Android Development] SpookyAwol:
First and foremost, its a phone, not a camera.

Its been quoted many times, but this is a DEVELOPMENT thread. The devs will develop what they can in their own time with their own priorities.

If the camera isnt working now, it doesnt mean it will never work. Thats why there is ongoing development!!!!

If you 'need' a camera then go back to another rom until ICS is at a stage that the devs are happy to call a public release or the problem has been solved
[Defy Android Development] twa_priv:
Don't lecture me about what a phone is and what I can post here. My post was not directed at Epsilon/quarx. I know they'll fix it (if possible) whenever they find time and at their discretion - and that's fine with me.
[Defy Android Development] gommers1978:
Do you hear me say that they should not fix the camera at all???

I do not think so.... What i said is that the priority should be a fully functional base ICS ROM before fixing the camera etc.

What if you have a working camera and the rest is buggy as hell and crashing. What good is your working camera?? Or you are in a phone call and you cannot hang up because you have to press the power button to activate the screen again... And i can go on with the many bugs mentioned in the BUG report thread.

So the only thing i say is that there sould be some priority and that the camera is not the most important thing to be fixed. And i will say again that i do not say that it should not be fixed at all because i also use the camera of the Defy.
[Defy Android Development] SaurusX:
Has anyone even looked at the MotoMagic spreadsheet? It says the ICS camera module for the Defy is almost done. Sheesh. I have a Droid X, so there's hope that once the camera for the Defy is up and running that it can be ported over.
[Defy Android Development] m1n1m1:
AW man!

Srsly guys you all need to calm down!:D

Quarx and epsylon most likely don't care what you like or want as it is "their" ROM so they will develope it to their likeings unless you donate a **** ass amount of money ;)

And if you are not happy with the rom flash another and don't whine simple as that.:cool:

Now that I've gone off-topic I have to ask a proper question^^.

Forget my question anwered itself so I'm only off-topic please ban me :D
[Defy Android Development] hailmary:
LOL...and they call it a strictly development thread....these people.:D:D:D
[Defy Android Development] abhi897:
PEACE :) :D
[Defy Android Development] jh20:
ya, but you're only talking about your priority and haven't considered mine!

the other poster, spookyawol, said that his defy is only a phone and not a camera. well guess what? my old nokia a few years back was a phone, my defy is definitely not just a phone. if you just want a phone why pay for a smartphone?

to me, any rom for my defy without a working camera is a no go, doesn't matter how flawless other functions are! that's why i'm only following up with the progress now and not on the rom yet. and i'm not pushing anyone for anything at all but just waiting patiently.

bottom line, the camera function is one of the top priorities for "me" and some others. that's all i'm saying........
[Defy Android Development] lord0815:
Okay, stop talking about wishes, about things YOU would like to see at the top of priority list - lets talk about the developement - bugs go to the thread mentioned in the opening post - please!

In this place talk about the development - no ETA no Bugs no wishes - just about things round about ICS and the things have to be done - the priority itself is defined by the devs - you can always support them - anything is open source.

So please only start a discussion if it is topic related.

There are enough topics out there about the other things like eta etc...

:) So calm down - we all awaiting the next build, but keep the faith - it

will be ready when its done :-P like DNF...

Have a good night.

Thanks for your patience.
[Defy Android Development] K r i ll e:
Just stop asking about when the camera gets fixed. When they do fix it, have bad news about it or whatever they will probably tell you all I asure you.
[Defy Android Development] swapnil360:
Earlier people said that the Defy won't get custom ROMs

We got CM7 & MIUI (both officially)

People said that ICS won't be supported (won't boot)

We got it too

Today people are saying that the camera won't work

I WISH YOU ALL GO WRONG AGAIN!!

Go devs! We know you can do it!
[Defy Android Development] linbi4706:
The camera fix or not

We should be grateful for the programmer
[Defy Android Development] frankfurts:
New nightly is up 111220

Sent from my CM9 Defy : D
[Defy Android Development] Cocolopes:
can you share the changes?

On my defy...from ICS...yes!!! in your face Motorola!!!
[Defy Android Development] blackwing182:
testiando 111220

-------------------

testing 111220 :)

i love to test! ICS! xD
[Defy Android Development] frankfurts:
When I get a chance I can confirm camera is not working still no biggie.

Sent from my CM9 Defy : D
[Defy Android Development] royale1223:
A review of the new ROM please..
[Defy Android Development] Epsylon3:
Well, you should have heard that.. Google released the second ICS version, the 4.0.3 (API 15, 4.0 was API 14) , and now with the motorola XOOM tablet device "support".

That's the first moto device published in AOSP repository.

This Xoom tablet (stingray 3G/wingray wifi-only) is Tegra2, but shares some common components we use (CPCAP chip, Sensors) and is almost same as the Atrix inside... well with an updated kernel v3.1 i guess, i have no info on this.

So... just to report enhancements : Charger mode is now working, battery charging works again... i wonder why that stopped working after the 4.0.3 upgrade but the problem was related to Motorola linux user IDs which doesn't exists in AOSP... the 9001 this time... (mot_pwric) on /dev/cpcap
[Defy Android Development] royale1223:
Love you eppy.. You are are the best..
[Defy Android Development] blackwing182:
thanx for the info thats greate news for the xoom, and for atrix users it is a ray of hope to get a port of ics, and i heard that some of the devs of the atrix take a rom of the miui defy an ported it and i can confirm that is grate :) i flashed over my brothers atrix and is working fine, just a minurs bugs :) but quite fast! so a port of moto xoom probably work to make ICS for defy better :) who knows :)

PD. i send you a logcat check your pm! :)
[Defy Android Development] Epsylon3:
Yes thanks, i forgot to reply (i received in to my mailbox and need to be here to reply :p)

i keep the infos for the next return to 7.2... for the moment i will take some rest with my family and christmas :p

For the camera (in gb), im really near the goal... there is a hardware failure in kernel and its really hard to debug, ive exported a good part of display system in open sources to tune that ^^

no infos yet for the ICS one... We need an example interface to link the "overlay (video buffer)" to the new framework media field... I wait for some work from other teams for this ;p or maybe from Quarx
[Defy Android Development] coolzarjun:
Yup eppy..

Take a break.. After all it's Christmas and new year..

forget about all the Dev stuff and just have fun.. :)
[Defy Android Development] Kiristiba:
do i still have to disable the Pin of the SIM card?

yes, enjoy your christmas, you deserve it :)

greetings
[Defy Android Development] suttaroom:
just wondering .. the flash light works right with the torch app.. if the signal is going to thath.. shouldnt u be able to do something with that.. flash the led and then pic.. or is it not possible?

sorry if it sounds stupid

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your the best. merry christmas..
[Defy Android Development] coelho_:
merry christmas:)
[Defy Android Development] esok44:
Downloaded, I'm gonna test it today :D

^^

hope it works great :D

Thanks to Eppy and Quarx for all their work :D

Merry Christmas to both of you :D
[Defy Android Development] yangyusen:
Why threre is only a defy+ zip for today's build? And can I flash it on my defy?And I notice that it's only 110M ,5M little than the last one of 13th
[Defy Android Development] gommers1978:
Merry X-mas and a happy new year!!

To Epsylon and Quarx thx for all your hard work this year and a merry X-mas and a happy new year to you and all others on this thread.
[Defy Android Development] mick711:
+1 ;) Thanks

test 20 December 2011 nightly

I just have bad issu first boot and for second test i wipe cache two time and solve some issu .

I have Trebuchet force close lot of time i think is good to make a log with alogcat :confused:

Thanks

I think i have bad zip because cant conect to my operator no wifi etc. if go to airplane and return normal . so i download again files and reflsah and wipe cache . use my battery 50% in 30 minutes ^^
[Defy Android Development] linbi4706:
thank x

X-mas and a happy new year
[Defy Android Development] crazy4tricks:
yes you can flash to your defy. he has written defy+ because now for ICS we are using kernel 2.3.4 which is a motorola signed GB kernel of Defy+ ( it keeps your ability to downgrade to froyo anytime by flashing the kernel provided in the thread or by flashing complete sbf)

Mery Christmas to All

Thank you Epsy and Team. This new build is awesome.. working like charm for me ;)
[Defy Android Development] ace-drink:
great that ICS is making progress....

one thing to ask..... since i am stuck at 2.3.6 as well...will there be a CM 7.2 that can work with the red lens camera (not inverted)...would pretty much safe the device :-)
[Defy Android Development] Maxxxxxxxxxx:
yup the new 7.2 builds are for defy+ gb 2.3.6 if i m not wrong....
[Defy Android Development] ace-drink:
yes i know...been using the one from december 15th but the camera is inverted on red lens defy and not working at all for green ones...

just wanted to know if the red lens defys will be fixed....otherwise the only working rom with a correct camera is the original moto 2.3.6 sbf.... but i like CM 7 much better and still need the cam
[Defy Android Development] ccav2000:
The "I want to know" questions are useless and irrelevant. This is an opensource free project, no ETAs, no guaranties, no promises. I am sure the devs will try their best, but that's as far as it goes. If you want guaranties of proper operation, go to an official ROM.

People, remember: this is not a paid project, you have NO right to ask anything, only to suggest but without guaranties it will ever be done.
[Defy Android Development] ace-drink:
i know that....and i am not demanding anything...just asking if epsylon has the intention to do it or not... cant see anything wrong in that....he did it to the point the cam is working but inverted...i think it is legit to humbly ask if he will or will not make the cam the right way....

If not...okay....but i cant see anything wrong in asking...like it or not
[Defy Android Development] jayeshrc:
hey, wheres the 20th dec file? its not on the http://tanguy.forumdoandroid.com/ics/ page..
[Defy Android Development] pepcisko:
quick question.. is a datawipe necessary when going from 12-13 to 12-20? Or is cachewipe sufficient? thx..

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http://defy.wdscript.fr/defyplus-cm9/
[Defy Android Development] ccav2000:
The problem is, that besides his own will, there is the matter if it is possible to be done. For CM7, I think he will succeed sooner or later, don't ask when though.

For ICS, everyone should know by now that it will take much longer to see a working camera.
[Defy Android Development] feh_pexto:
Can't find the defy zip. Just Defy+ why? Thank you!
[Defy Android Development] zakoo2:
sry for posting this here, but i found no better place. im on the official 2.3.4 (v4.5.1-134), and i tried to install ICS. first i installed sndinit v2.0, rebooted, wiped cache/data/dalvik, but when i tried to install zip, i got the message: installation aborted. usb cable was unplugged, the phone is 60% charged. can you help me out? :confused:

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because the builds after the 7th of december are based on defy+ kernel.
[Defy Android Development] crazy4tricks:
Hi

May be the downloaded zip has corrupted pls. try with new one. hope it will help you :)
[Defy Android Development] hackergnome:
2ndboot = $afe mode!!!

See the bottom left corner!
[Defy Android Development] zakoo2:
umm, thats probably not the problem, because i tried one which i used a while ago, and that aborted too.

@nogoodusername: what do you mean, safe mode? i have problems with installing, not booting.
[Defy Android Development] Ph1b:
Hey,

is it possible to activate 1%-Battery on ICS yet?
[Defy Android Development] HomerSimpson07:
So, just to clarify this: The Defy and the Defy+ are excactly the same phones, so you can use any Defy+ ROM also on the normal Defy, even the Defy+ SBF's can be used on the normal Defy.

For those with the green camera, the camera won't work with a Defy+ ROM, but as the camera doesn't work on ICS anyway, that doesn't matter at this point.
[Defy Android Development] mick711:
Trebuchet force close

Hello

I install 20 12 2011 CM9 and have some Trebuchet force close when i go to my apps and widget .

See logcat : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y1H9LQSA

Attachment of XDA say 500 internal server error

Thanks
[Defy Android Development] swapnil360:
Everybody has that problem :-(

Anyway, you can use the latest version of ADW. It supports ICS HW acceleration and it works great on the Defy.
[Defy Android Development] Dirk64:
Just try "Battery circle" from Market.
[Defy Android Development] youcef82:
what is the place of loading CM9 for DEFY MB525 ?
[Defy Android Development] [] AL []:
But I might remind you that your question was regarding CM7 and this is a CM9-ICS discussion thread... ;)

Anyway, if only you've had read the last 4 pages of Quarx's CM7 thread instead, a lot of the drama above would have been avoided.

Here, I'll even save you the trouble: just go read my post on that and you'll get all the details on how to get red lens camera working properly on CM7.2.

Peace out and happy Holidays Season to all.
[Defy Android Development] Pottkopp:
first of all thanks for this really fantastic rom and your very hard work you put into it ;) I love it!

but guys, I have a problem with the 1220 build. I can switch on wlan only 1 time per boot.. is there any solution for me to fix it by myself? ;) e.g. copying some files out of earlier builds where it worked?

thank you in advance :)

pottkopp
[Defy Android Development] ndanl:
Also www.defy-cm.net
[Defy Android Development] drsouly:
having serious 3g data issues with this build. it stops receiving data after a few minutes -.-
[Defy Android Development] gubshi:
this was also present in the previous build. HSDPA won't work at all, and if you take a look at the first post, GSM Data needs to be optimised. Always wondering that noone points this out when saying "I use this as a daily ROM!". But maybe they're on 2G only, which allready works quite well.
[Defy Android Development] hackergnome:
3G was working before but not hsdpa(3.5G i think)
[Defy Android Development] gubshi:
As drsouly says, it's often losing it's connection and I can confirm that. Sometimes it works, mostly direct after a reboot.
[Defy Android Development] hackergnome:
adding to bugs list...