yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] twobits:
Yeah, I had planned to get a nook tablet early next month. I had also planned in conjunction with another family member to once I saw it worked well, buying aouther five as gifts for people this year. Guess we could get them the color instead, but I am not sure I want to buy products from a company that locks things down. Guess the Lenova a1 maybe?

I think a large part of the nook color's success was from people seeing their more geekish friends having it. They may not have understood why those friends had them and not bother to run the alternative boot options themselves even. I wonder how many sales this will lose them?

A part of me can see cracking it just for the challenge. Some years back I probably would be trying to do that too. Now though, I would prefer to not help a company that does these things gain sales.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] smartypantsdotcom:
post to NT facebook page

[partial quote]

"...Jeff Bezos is saying "thank you" to BN for the early xmas gift. All the dev energy is shifting toward the KF (it's already been rooted)...."
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] diamond_lover:
and half of battery :D
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Drewmungus:
Please guys stay positive. This is reminding me of the Evo 3d right now. It took a little bit to get root and get things rolling. In that time the forums got so filled up with Im returning mine and this sucks comments that it scared a lot people and devs away. When someone decides to dev for a community one of the things they want to is a upbeat and helpful community. Here we are on technically release day and alot has been accomplished already!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] conundrum768:
Quoting for support and solidarity.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] diamond_lover:
Yeah! We are on

xda-developers

, not in

xda-imreturningmydevicebecauseaftersomedaysnohackfounds

!!! :D
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Chowlz:
It's a good think you said "don't know" because obviously, you don't.

These "amateurs" you speak of are most likely computer scientists/programmers that do this for leisure, not fun. Even if they aren't employed, that doesn't make them "amateurs"; there are people who hack and develop software for fun, believe it or not.

BTW, and sorry for my language, but who gives a **** about your friends and the money they make? Money didn't stop people from rooting. Money didn't stop open source! Also, the last time I checked, this is software development forum. From what Google says, it's "The Largest Community for Smartphone Hacks and Development of Apps." I highly doubt that every developer here does this for money or posts his/her work for money.

Sorry for the tangent; this post really pissed me off. Anyway, I believe the nook tablet will get root eventually.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] pixelbat:
Wait, what?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] diamond_lover:
I think this thread has taken the wrong road.

Since the argument is the boot loader, we should remain focused on this.

If you are not satisfied with what the Nook Tablet can do, is your choice to give it back, but I think this is not the place to say.

If you are confident about the potential of the xda-developers' members, be patient, wait that larger number of developers have their NT and work some time.

I think we will find a way to root and bypass eventual Bootloader protection.

Peace ;)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] madsquabbles:
and this is why my free time is worth 20 to 50 times my normal wage. "free" time doesn't come often and for me to dedicate it to/for someone else those people or effort better dang well be worth it.

now if i had the skills and time to do this myself and didn't have any other projects or time to spend with my family i'd be on this. pokey's put plenty of time on the nook color and if he chooses to not spend any more time than he has on the nooktablet then just thank him for what he's done so far. at least he's shared what he's found out and left the task for other willing devs.

i'd be happy with a nook tablet if they allowed access to android market and custom launchers. from what i've read it's an amazing tablet as is, but limited.

that being said, i won't recommend the nook tablet over the fire any more unless the person asking needs more space for movies and music. some may not root, but at least the option is there for those that might want it. b&n got at least 6 nook color sales because of me and not all of them rooted. sure it's not a lot, but add that the recommendations of each person we've all put in and i'm pretty sure that adds up to a significant number.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] ms2003:
yeah! i believe xda will finally success!!

for i have ordered one:)

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in fact, currently the importance i think is re-partition>root>bootloader lock
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] nigel_ht:
Pokey, thanks for what you've done on the NC. Not so much for being a downer on the tablet on day 0. This thread really should be allowed to die because it's become poisonous.

I think the NT will be worth working on despite a locked bootloader because I'm thinking that the mainstream 7" android tablet market is about to become nothing but KF and NT/NC. Between the three the NT has the best hardware specs.

B&N and Amazon are selling these things on little to no to maybe negative margin. That makes it incredibly hard for anyone else to make money if they can't sell books or other products to make money. Selling a $300-400 7" tablet is likely even more of a non-starter than before.

Given that B&N has stated they have nothing against the hacking community and they released source on day 0 it's hopeful that they'll moderate their policy. Sure, they can lock down the tablet more with a software update. They can also open it up more too.

I can think of a couple reasonable reasons why they might lock their bootloader but I can also think they can meet these desires and still allow booting into unsigned images after entering a firmware passcode (to prevent anyone messing with your nook just by sticking in a SD card and rebooting) and explicit user acknowledgement that this is what you want to do (to void your warranty in case you fry your NT by OC or brick it some other way).

Given that sideloading works, it's not like they locked it down just so you can't install the kindle app.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] ms2003:
B&N released the sourcecode, will this help us?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1352158
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] RussianMenace:
This has already been posted many, many time.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] ms2003:
sorry, i didn't go through all the posts:D
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] MechaGen:
Is there anyway to start a "Bounty" for rooting the NT?

I haven't bought a NT yet, waiting for root. I'd gladly through $10 into the pot if it would help.

Just a thought.

Sent from SAMSUNG Captivate CM7, Tapatalk App.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] DeanGibson:
And how much are you willing to PAY???

Most developers have lives, unlike some of those here. I'm not trying to start an argument, but as the person who provided the repartitioning tools for the NC, I do find the whining here (not to mention the instant gratification desires) a bit excessive.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] rvr350:
Agreed. First of all, thanks to pokey for investigating into the bootloader so early on in the release! Personally, i think the title of this thread has turned away sooooo many willing NT buyer and devs alike. Some of us like to be challenged, some of us would like to take the easier way of doing things. It's purely personal.

It's probably a better idea to start a new thread on how to get the bootloader issue resolved, and put in our collective effort in doing something more worthwhile than discussing the return policy of B&N:)

Again, it's still early on in this fight, and if you wanna stick around for the show to starts, grab a seat!

rant over.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] DeanGibson:
And one of the worst uses of leisure time is reading some of this garbage.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Meeker:
First off I'm not trying to justify the behavior. Everyone here knows the developers who give up their own personal time are awesome, and I hope everyone is thankfu l(I am at least) for both the time and patience you guys use to develop (for free I might add) features we would likely never see if you guys didn't do the work. That said I think it is a combination of the desire for instant gratification and the high expectations the NC left everyone for the NT that's really making the ugly parts of the crowd surge forth.

For the people whining about everything, as someone else has already mentioned, the dev's have a life outside of this. You won't win support if you are constantly dragging those guys through the muck just because your device isn't rooted in the first 48 hours after release.

So please before you post anymore potentially toxic comments, consider some important facts against the post you've so quickly bashed out on your keyboard...

1) These guys, much like you on Saturday, May have personal things they want to do

2) Your not paying them. you are not their employers and frankly money is not necessarily the end of be all of the argument. They are volunteering their time/research/methods. They DON'T OWE YOU SQUAT

3) Toxic comments and poisonous do more to hurt your cause for wanting things, and as a quick search of XDA forums can atest to, have contributed to more then their fair share of developers quitting just not joining projects.

And if you find any of those three points hits a mark.... just delete or chill out else where...

Meeker

For disclosure sakes, don't own a NT or NC... Still in thinking of buying a tablet of some type... and I still rock on my HTC G1 =-)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] pranavsg07:
hey guys i don't know much about this stuff but just curious. is the bootloader hardware locked or software locked ?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] rmm200:
Whining

In all honesty, I have not seen anyone whine or push for faster results - except for the one developer who said this was too much trouble and not worth his time. Everyone else seems really supportive of the hard work folks are doing.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] fiveoneooo:
I think people took my post a slightly wrong. I understand that there are some people who want to root just for the challenge and I highly respect those people. I am one who also like to take on the challenge of doing something that people doubt I can.

I was just going more in the direction that not everyone works that way and that they would prefer to just do other thing like make themes, cook roms and such on an already open device instead of working on getting a device open to work on it.

Didnt exactly mean to ruffle feathers over here.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Entropy512:
No it didn't, all it got you was a meaningless press release full of lies. The real truth - HTCs are still selling with locked bootloaders, even new devices like the Vivid, despite HTC's claim that the bootloader locking policy would stop..
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Entropy512:
A mix. The OMAP4 has built-in hardware security that verifies the integrity of x-loader.

X-loader has built-in software security that verifies u-boot - but remember, in this case, that software locking is backed by a higher-level hardware lock. Try to unlock x-loader, and the OMAP4 won't even start x-loader.

Lastly, u-boot has software security that verifies the kernel - but as said above, u-boot is itself verified by x-loader, so if you try to unlock u-boot, x-loader won't load it.

So there's a "chain of trust" starting with the low-level hardware that extends up to the kernel. Break anything in the chain and you've got a brick if you try to do it on the main flash partition.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] BobK46:
I am doing the same thing. However, I am installing CWR on my emmc to block B&N from automatically updating the software until I know what 1.4 will do too the NC!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] DarkDvr:
Quoted for truth.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Temetka:
Thanks for the hacks!

@Devs:

Thanks for your time and effort.

I really love my nootered / rooted Nook Color. I just wanted to say thank you, because really, I know you guys don't hear that enough.

If the NT proves too hard to crack, at least a valiant effort was made. That being said I have never ceased to be amazed at the ingenuity of geeks. I wouldn't be surprised if this was cracked in the next few months.

So again, thanks for the hard work. Ignore the whiny children.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] rmm200:
Cracked or not - dang this is looking like a nice device...

All I ask at this point is give us some way to keep B&N from reversing all the

great progress you have made. Just some way to block pushed updates...
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] bg2:
If you boot from the SD card only you do not have to worry about B&N pushing a software update that interferes with root. For those who are interested in B&N content you still have the option of the Nook app.

I have run various roms from sd cards on various devices including the Nook and see no apparent performance difference with a good class 4 card. I have also had to restore a Nook to factory fresh which is fairly easy. So concerned rooters may want to restore the Nook Color and simply mod the Nook Color using the SD card method.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] rmm200:
Are you quite sure they can't lock the bootloader with a pushed update? Does the NC lack the signed boot hardware?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] madsquabbles:
quoted for correction.

whining started here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19481131&postcount=111

dev's just said he'd rather not spend the time on developing without whining.

i've solved my situation by buying a gt 8.9 i was going for the gt 7 plus but no demo unit was available and i found 8.9 to be a very good size. small enough for an ebook reader and big enough for web and video use. i may end up selling my gt 10.1 soon and i'll def be selling the gt 7. i just wish the 8.9 used the exynos proc.

if i were strictly looking for an ebook reader i'd surely have gotten the nt. i did enjoy my nc while i had. at least i know it has a good home with the guy i sold it to. he goes everywhere with it!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] compscure:
I'd love to know the answer to this one too.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] skeeterpro:
Congrats on your new tab. I just got the GT7 and that Exynoes does indeed fly! Add in the uSD and, for me, it's perfect.

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My NC serves steadly also. :)
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] Blades:
On the TF101 (Transformer), it was at first necessary to flash boot/system/recovery by packing a blob of desired partition images to flash and writing that to a special partition which would be read by the bootloader and written to the desired partitions accordingly. It was necessary to include a proprietary header and the devs that be (roach,rayman) wrote a tool for packing and unpacking these 'blobs'.. www.github.com/AndroidRoot/BlobTools

So presumably the partition images are signed by the bootloader and then flashed... as opposed to flashing a pre-signed image. Such wishful thinking, but perhaps B&N has a similar setup? Whenever the first update comes around - we'll know more..

This really surprised me - I figured Amazon would do such a thing seeing as they are losing $ on the hardware and relying on the software to turn a profit.

edit: I use past tense when referring to the TF101's flashable state because eventually NVFlash was usable. Is there a similar tool for TI's setup?
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] pokey9000:
This exactly.

It's no longer interesting *to me*. My motivation for getting the Tablet was as a presumably open OMAP4 platform to try my hand at porting ROMs. Requiring a signed kernel and ramdisk is a complication that keeps me from doing that, and one that I don't feel will be solved within the return period I had.

Some people are after exactly the challenge ahead, and I hope they eventually split it wide open to make it the tablet many of us were hoping for. For the diehards that are sticking it out, please respect these devs and realize that they are working on their own schedule and for their own reasons.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] pokey9000:
It's my understanding that TI programs a chip as secure (HS) or unlocked (GP) in factory, and the manufacturer doesn't get to decide that on their own. Only those that have access to the security documentation know for sure.
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] soy.lor.n:
hmmm...what if they gave us this thing with a signed bootloader thinking that would make it more fun for the 3%

They don't want to make it too easy - that's boring!
[Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet] acruxksa:
Perhaps they aren't relying on book/music/app sales as much as we previously thought. Latest news is that it costs Amazon $202 to make the KF so they only need to sell a couple apps, books or songs to break even. everything else is gravy.

I can't post the link, but if you check out IHS isuppli site, it's there.

I've got an NT on the way and am pretty confident we will see some progress by developers. I mean, it's only been a couple days. I'd give it a month before I started worrying. I also bought the NT over the KF knowing I'd be happier with the NT if even if it was never rooted, but isn't that the recommendation everyone should be following until a device is actually rooted? Purchasing the NT then sending it back because it's not rooted within 48hrs of release is a bit crazy if you ask me. At least wait a week or 10 days, then you can still return it within the 14 day time period.........48hrs...................??????
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] magus57:
I asked a similar question on the Slide board, and just basically wondering - would it be worth it to upgrade from the G2 to the Sidekick, and how would it compare to the Slide?

First of all, is the CPU or GPU any better or worse than the G2's 800Mhz Scorpion and Adreno 205 graphics? My G2 does about everything fine, so assuming the Sidekick at least matches it in power then I'm fine.

How does the keyboard feel and operate? I've heard it's one of the better ones, particularly for having a dedicated number row.

How's the screen quality, and how is it in outdoor/sunny use?

I know the camera is worse (and without flash), but I have a decent compact point and shoot so I'm not too worried - I'm mostly interested in it having a front-facing camera for Skype video calls.

What's the development like - is there variety, how much ASOP/CM7-like ROMs are there, etc.?

How's the 4G speed on it?

Does it have any form of TV-out?

Are there any major problems/complaints with the phone?

Main reason I'm interested is for the lighter weight and better keyboard, and that it's cheaper than $200 on eBay.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] GuestK0045:
4g slide is overal better than the sidekick 4g but then again the sidekick wasn't made to go head to head with the slide. Compare to the g2 however the sk4g has amuch better keyboard,faster data 21 over 14.4 mb ,not as much aosp/cm YET , good quailty build , I max stanby is 19 days the , my gripes are battery life and that's it. And the sk4g has a 1ghz cpu over the g2 800 there is tv out but I never used it
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
G2 & 4G Slide is better than the sidekick w/ better support than the sidekick .
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] tylermaciaszek:
no the sk4g is a really good device, the 4g slide is better but the g2 is not besides the g2 has the annoying hinge thing, get the 4g slide and if not that then the sk4g
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Reviewers:
I know i have the SK4G & i love it same w/ my amaze , but i'm selling my amaze for the galaxy nexus . The G2 has better overall support & developers beside's the Sidekick .
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Dan_Brutal:
Hey magus57, I will trade my sidekick for your G2 if your going to make the move.
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] Tsloble:
I own both the G2 and the 4G kick. Have been a SK guy since the SK1 B&W.

Battery life: G2

I am heavy data user. G2 would last til night. Sidekick forces me to carry a charger.

Multitasking: G2

I attribute this to RAM. When using ATK, G2 would free up around 180. SK is 84-160 (big jump, dno why)

Camera: G2 (flash) / SK4G (Front Facing)

The SK cam is fine for pics during the day, G2 is better though obviously. No flash sucks. Front facing cam is nice, but I hardly use it just because no1 I know does.

Keyboard: Sidekick (I type extremely fast, stock would skip letters. Custom fixed that)

Main reason for the switch. Couldnt stand the G2 keyboard. lack of dedicated number annoyed every time. G2 also somewhat awkward to get a good hold of since it is flat. Sidekick sits comfortably, good evenly spaced keys. I wouldn't say its the best in the SK line, but definitely top 2 or 3.

Speaker quality: Close to a tie. I listen to Pandora thru both 2+ hr a day and can't complain.

Not a fan of speaker on the rear of phone in general. I don't think either has ever gone grainy or sounded blown out.

TV-OUT: Sidekick

I have a micro-usb2hdmi cable that doesn't fit either phone for some reason, so thats lame. SK does have TVout and the stock app "allshare" works pretty good with my desktop setup.

Android/Hard-Button placement: G2

G2 is easier to use one handed in portrait mode. The camera/volume/power buttons seemed like second nature. The SK requires a weird hold to hit the Jump or Home buttons when in portrait. I'm still not fully in sync with where my volume/etc buttons are (If phone is face down while pandora is on and i attempt to change volume without looking, I will often hit the wrong button)

OVERALL:

I like the SK better because I am constantly using the keyboard. Fast data speeds are also welcomed. Stock phone will lag, especially compared to the G2. Switch over to Glorious Overload and there will be no problems (Thanks teddy!) Before ROM switch I was seriously considering buying a bigger battery (only 1 available had a horrific rear casing) or a secondary batter & dock charger. Thank goodness for open sourcing!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] yoyowhatup22:
Since no one has used tv out ill weigh in on that, I used an aux video out cord (from my zune) to display on a 45" tv, not an awesome picture, and it was not full screen which sucked. You won't be using it to watch videos on your tv, but it'll work to share pictures with everyone.

sent from my....WAIT THIS ISNT MY PHONE?!
[T-Mobile Sidekick 4G] add119:
Based on opinion sidekick 4g keyboard are same as samsung epic coming from epic. I can say this htc g2 is better than sidekick 4g hand down. Sidekick isnt no galaxy s meaning u can overclock it 1.7 ghz or use 3d gaming like galaxy or g2.

Android 2.3 os is on htc g2 just like galaxy s.

Htc g2 can overclock 1.9 ghz and that five rows is nice but i hate plastic button and htc g2 feel more softer with it rubber button coding.

It aluminum brush make it rugged and not plastic.

the Mytouch 4g is very similar to htc g2 minus the dual core and ram. 512 RAM is perfect for alot of non tech geeks.

Htc g2 can use t-mobile tv just google it u find apk

Netflix and hulu plus which is only on android 2.3 on hulu.

Cyanogenmod will update Htc g2 to android 4.o the sidekick idk about that because not to many ppl have it like that.

Htc g2 have good camera maybe u have g2 that bad but mine take good pics.

5 megapixes is better 3 .

Led flash for picture in dark .