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[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
Okay, I have gotten a call from HTC USA about discussing some unlocking options for Vivid. We are supposed to talk again Monday.

I would appreciate it if all of you, your families & your friends would email, but more importantly send tweets to both @HTC & @HTCUSA & post on HTC's Facebook page. These are publicly viewed by many users and even followed by competitors.

The main focus I have been concentrating on is the fact that social media is used by HTC for marketing purposes. As such, Peter Chou's (C.E.O. of HTC) May 26 post to the official Facebook page of HTC "that all future devices would be unlocked", constitutes fraudulent marketing & is indeed false advertising. The statement from HTC, promising all future devices be unlocked, contributed heavily in my decision to purchase a HTC device. A promise made 6 months ago, by HTC's leader.

It's not about lying, it is about false advertising and the fact that our devices are losing value because developers are unable to access root functions of the device necessary for almost any serious development to be accomplished.

HTC has profited as well as saved money due to all the ideas, bug fixes & development this community has performed over the years & all we are asking in return is for the ability to develop and use our devices freely, as we see fit.

I believe that international trade laws are being violated with the unfulfilled advertised promise of all future devices being shipped unlocked. So, let's get this campaign rolling.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tx Redneck:
I must admit, that's a quite good angle to use. Makes me proud of my fellow Texan. ;)

EDIT: Posted on FB and G+ as public.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] carlosjcar:
I'M BUMPING THIS. I TOO WAS LURED BY THAT STATEMENT BY YHIS LIAR CHOU.

I ALREADY POSTED ON @HTCUSA AND @CYANOGEN.

WE NEED TO SEND THIS TO engadget
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
I've just sent an email to HTC. Agreed, it was Peter Chou's post that made me replace my Blackberry with HTC.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] carlosjcar:
I'm sending it back for a refund and I'm stickin with my DHD
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] carlosjcar:
I apologize for getting of topic we need to move this discussion to general.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
I think HTC is deleting posts on Facebook. I noticed some earlier about the Vivid unlock and now they are gone...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tx Redneck:
http://www.facebook.com/htcusa?sk=wall&filter=1
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tacotino:
Dude same here, they deleted it in like two mins
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tx Redneck:
You're not seein thses?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
This post is still here: https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084

I'm attaching the print screen of the facebook page.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rawb123456:
Posted on the FB page...I don't tweet but I may just to get this B unlocked
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Apatche69:
We win?

Sent from my HTC Vivid
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
Can we make some sort of petition to get our voices heard? Like a Google Doc that anyone can sign? I believe we aren't the only device to be locked after they made the promise. I feel like if HTC realizes how many of us there are, they will feel more pressure to release the unlock.

Although... I wonder if this is all the doings of AT&T and HTC isn't pointing the finger. Either way, the promise was broken. Should we move this discussion to general and make a new thread though? I thought this thread was made for all the devs to work on the unlock.

EDIT: I like all the posts about the Vivid on both the HTC and HTC USA facebook pages, should we do the same to AT&T's facebook page?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 3f62011:
It's best, in both, HTC & AT&T interests to shift responsibility to each other. At the same time, AT&T did not make any statement regarding "bootloader unlock," but HTC CEO did.

FYI: Just received a response from HTC to my yesterday's email:

It is vague, but it does read:
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Pirateghost:
Same type of copy/paste answers we have all gotten from them. Worthless

Sent from my HTC PH39100
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] pstevep:
I haven't seen a bootloader released that wasn't locked.. I'm sure someone will prove me wrong. But we have always had devs crack them. The problem is htc started encrypting them. Then we all flipped. Then they started their unlock process. They had it all in place before the sensation and 3D were released but it still took them over a month to get their end going. You know how htc is they take forever to do anything.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
Over a month? Dang. I didn't think we'd have to wait that long. Looks like we might lose more people that don't want to burn the free 30 day return period.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] gtkansan:
Well however they are doing it, Evil_Devnull on twitter and some folks seem to have cracked the bootloader on the Evo3D, Sensation and Rezound. Hopefully that means we will too, since they are all so darn similar....
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
True... but will XDA even allow their work on here?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] pstevep:
That's more than likely a negative on both fronts at this point. He doesn't want his work here and some at xda feel the same. I say we cross that bridge when we get there.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dagnus:
probably not..

:(
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] doktor buknasty:
I don't know why my action caused me to thank you instead of quoting you. I spoke to Evil_Devnull a couple of days ago and pretty much for him to crack the bootloader he would need a Vivid. Tx Redneck was willing to use his upgrade to send Devnull the phone if we donate for the upgrade ($99).
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
Taking the off-topic discussion out of this thread, PLEASE ALL VISIT HERE TO GET HTC VIVID UNLOCK: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19754709#post19754709
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
^ Good idea. Let's leave this alone for the devs working on the issue themselves. It'd always be nice to not have to void the warranty through HTC if we have an alternate method on XDA.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
Ok... I understand that if you do any sort of symlinks that once you reboot the bootloader will get rid of them, but what about major file changes?

For example: editing build.prop

If you edit build.prop and reboot, will it overwrite your changes with the original? If so where is it getting the original data from and how is it checking for changes? Checksums?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tsuk87:
yes it will...i've tried.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
Another question...

Is the Vivid and the Raider identical phones? Like how the Inspire and the Desire HD are practically identical?

If not, what are the differences? Radio?

Sent from my HTC Vivid
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dagnus:
In regards to getting root for the vivid, is there an irc where people are discussing ideas? Sorry for the off topic.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] cyber_pete:
I follow htcdev on Twitter and they just asked, "What is your biggest challenge when developing for your device." So I tweeted:"@htcdev My biggest challenge is that the bootloader is locked. HTC Vivid" Doubt it will get a response but I can hope.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ccb101:
i tweeted "Hey @HTCUSA how about that bootloader unlock I think we have waited long enough"

and they tweeted back "We’re committed to assisting customers in unlocking bootloaders for their phones. However, some phones may not be unlockable due to operator restrictions. We currently have support from T-Mobile USA and Sprint. If you want your device supported, we recommend contacting your carrier and let them know your interest in unlocking the bootloader."

looks like we may need to put the pressure on AT&T
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] sonofasailor12:
Alright then. What's the proper outlet to push for that then?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] cyber_pete:
That's odd, I tweeted something similar to HTCUSA two weeks ago and they responded with:

"@cyber_pete Make sure you're following @htcdev. They'll be the first to make any developer-focused announcements!"

Which is why I started following htcdev. I don't think they even know what is going on inside their own company. I have worked with AT&T as a vendor for a few years and they have no idea what is happening from one team to the next.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] doktor buknasty:
Got the same response from them maybe close to 45 mins ago. I tweeted to att and I wonder what their excuse will be. If they don't respond, they will get a tweet from me every day asking the same question.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] cyber_pete:
I have a Raider at work that I can look at tomorrow. Where do I find the FCC ID? Under the battery?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] malickie:
I am guessing the only thing different on them is the Radio. Although because this phone just Hit AT&T for LTE the FCC might have made them change something or what not hence the two different FCC ID's. Just a guess though.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] carlosjcar:
If the rayder is identical to the vivid its just a matter of the making the CID match.

I know other devices can be flashed via NVFlash AND ODIN, Is there anything on HTC similar that we can force an unlocked and rooted Rayder rom to it?

I know you just cant Fastboot flash partitions or Hboot.

Some form of JTAG perhaps?

I noticed that the source for the Rezound was released, has the vivids source been released? Will having the source Help?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] :
I noticed the Raider kernel source code posted on the HTCdev site if that helps

HTC Raider 4G - 2.6.35 kernel source code http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tsuk87:
I don't know if anyone has figured this out yet..or if it helps at all..but I was messing around with some things and booted into recovery (phone with red exclamation point) and I hit power and up and it came up with options to reboot apply update from sdcard wipe factory reset and wipe cache...I don't know if that helps or if everyone knows that and I'm just slow...either way I really love this phone and wanna see what it can really do...but that damn 30 day return periods coming soon...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
My phone doesn't show that.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Spartoi:
Devs probably know about this, but thanks for sharing.

First you boot into fastboot mode (Power + VolDown). Select Recovery, wait for the red exclamation mark to come up and then press Power + VolUP.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] JEANRIVERA:
I am able to replicate that but I have to press power button couple of times keeping volUp pressed before I see that screen
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tacotino:
O don't think it will work but someone should try gingerbreak, from that screen
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ClippinWings:
Isn't this just the standard recovery screen?

at a glance it looks just like the one on my Dell Streak.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] baltimorelizard:
yes, this is the stock recovery.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] pside15:
Yep, it looks just like the one on my Inspire except for that "Locked" and S-on crap we need to get rid of.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tsuk87:
I followed the directions on the all in one recovery thread on android forums dot com...I can't post links

And used the root_recovery.img from the make your own recovery thread...so I don't know if that made that happen or if that was just the stock recovery and I didn't actually accomplish anything....the button combination was not exact...ya push power and then up volume or something to that affect...it eventually pops up with blue writing...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] tsuk87:
OK I just saw the posts in reply to what I said after I posted my last post...my bad
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] burkza:
Can anyone recommend some reading on the history of bootloader unlocks? Even with an electrical engineering background, I'm no more knowledgeable than the next newbie in this area.

with some guided reading I might actually be useful someday.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Chr0nicDreamz:
I've been doing lots of reading today and up until now 2AM EST. Reading up on fastboot commands that can be used. However without a proper SMART_IO.CRD in the root of the SD or a properly formatted goldcard we cannot change the CID to 11111111 which is SUPERCID. The same as having an unbranded device. I tried a few different ways of setting the CID and they all failed. Without a signature to validate upon we are stuck until a dev comes up with a loophole
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
I was thinking that maybe we could spoof out CID by hex editing a dump of our /misc partition where it is stored.

The hard part about that is that I don't know where in that partition it is stored nor how to find it. Either way it would be a long lengthy process. :(

Sent from my HTC Vivid.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] cyber_pete:
Have any of you found a way to use temp root to disable the AT&T teather restriction? And if so does it last after reboot?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Longcat14:
Download the pdanet app, and use that, doesn't require root. Make sure to mask tethering usage though.

Sent from HTC Vivid! :D
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] cyber_pete:
Thanks, but unfortunately I need wifi, bluetooth won't work for what I am doing.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] arunp44:
Well, while you have temp root you can use wifi-tether app:

http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/

Of course once you reboot, it wont work anymore, but I'm assuming since you are tethering, you will have a machine to re-temp-root your phone to get it going again :)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] gtkansan:
It doesn't work currently with temp root.

Sent from my vivid which is going back to AT&T because of HTC's Lies about the bootloader
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] IvanRad:
just bought the vivid today do you think it will ever be rootable ? would an xtc clip work for the vivid for a permanent root ?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
Yes, it will be rooted although it may take a while. An XTC clip would NOT work. Neither will a goldcard. Neither will any other exploit out there. Seems you may just have to wait it out.

Sent from my HTC Vivid.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Chr0nicDreamz:
As I am sure you all remember the prototype of the Holiday also had a Locked Bootloader but was S-OFF. Would it be possible to pull that hboot off of that device and flash it to our own?

If it is possible then we need to find the member here at XDA that bought it.... since that's the last I heard of it.. A member of xda owns that prototype
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
Good call... I'll send him a PM.

Sent from my HTC Vivid.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tx Redneck:
While it is S-Off, it's still locked is it not?

Saved and Texan by the grace of God, Redneck by choice.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
The most important thing besides the Hboot would be getting the Radio image from this device. Hexing the CID in the .bin files is easy, easy to find & easy to do. What complicates things is that hexing the .bin files makes it necessary to re-sign the file. I have been playing with resigning apps from windows mobile, trying to alter them to work with the newer HTC Android signatures. So far, no luck. This device is not much different than the Evo3D. They got it unlocked, so it will happen for Vivid, but it is gonna take time.

That HBoot is an engineering hboot (XB ENG) & I would bet money there is a diagnostic radio rom in there as well. S-Off is really more important than root. It opens up a whole lot of possibilities especially when combined with a diag. radio.

The saddest thing though, is that I have had the SkyRocket & for about a week or so, a Galaxy Nexus from across the pond. The Vivid continues to be the device that I gravitate back to. On the release day, I wrote HTC telling them to mark my words, that their stock price would drop below the 52 week low and even below the 450 mark. in the last two days it has dropped 15.00 a share. They have the best device on the market & they are killing its sales & development future. Stupidest thing ever.

On a brighter note, I got an invitation to one of HTC's holiday events. I am planning on attending do stay tuned to youtube. I am having a shirt screen printed showing an animated image of Peter Chou on one side with a cartoon speech bubble stating his promise to unlock the devices & on the other side will be an animated HTC Vivid in Hand cuffs. I am not kidding, I am going to the event in Chicago wearing that shirt. I am not gonna cause a raucous, but I am gonna politely & persistently ask when they plan on righting the obvious mistake of accidentally shipping the Vivid locked.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Chr0nicDreamz:
Security off.. can flash unsigned ROMS I believe
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Longcat14:
You sir, are awesome.

Anyways, we need to contact the guy with the S-OFF prototype. If we get the hboot and radio, it may make our lives a lot easier.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] theworm20uk:
i will also be at that event so hope to see you there .......if you make some extras of the t-shirts ill glady pay for it and wear it with you ....lol
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
I've been keeping up with everything on Facebook and Twitter it's pretty evident the sole blame is on AT&T. Idea: I remember my Samsung Infuse, where certain "special" devs would get a leak from someone at Samsung to release to us. Are there any devs here that feel they might be able get close to HTC? Maybe someone at HTC could give a dev pointers on how to unlock/root this thing ourselves, that way AT&T wouldn't have to know about it? Heck, maybe that's an impossible task but maybe it's worth getting in contact with them?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Chr0nicDreamz:
I found this to be highly amusing lol
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Tx Redneck:
I've been through three different Inspires and they're correct in saying it's not on all or most of them because it's not present on the 3 I looked at.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
Okay, got some game starting up on real vivid unlock.

If you are a developer, no beta tester's yet, please PM me asap.

Also, anyone that truly understands firmware and the principles behind unlocking nand & Hboot exploits, also please PM me.

I know that many want to participate, that's great, but right now we need the folks that understands the low level firmware to get started with bringing theory to reality.

If you can TRULY follow AND contribute with development of theVivid unlock effort, I need you to PM me so I can get you setup in the collaboration effort as a unlock development team member.

Please PM me so I can reply with the info for collaborative communication.

Everyone else, please stay tuned and be patient & hopefully soon enough we'll need beta testers & other support.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] malickie:
This has got to be the best news I have heard in a month lol. Great to hear though. Keep up the outstanding work we all appreciate it I am sure.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 8125Omnimax:
Why do I have a feeling that in the next day or two HTC will let us unlock the Vivid on their bootloader site....
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
That's wishful thinking. CIQ is a bigger issue to HTC/AT&T at this point. AT&T also said to one of our members that they have no official word on it yet, which is really bad news.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] 8125Omnimax:
The CIQ issue could legally allow us to break free from our contrats with no penalty, nothing is underwritten in AT&T's fine print anywhere about accepting the terms relating to preinstalled software monitoring our personal information.

Im hoping the Dev community can tackle the CIQ issue without needing root and permanently delete this useless app
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
1.am.W1z4rd has worked some on unlocking HTC devices & nand & has a google code page for the start of an unlocker.

He contacted me, well I guess I contacted him first, but at any rate we have an IRC channel set up for collaboration on the HTC Vivid unlocker.

It's slow going and we need some more dev support. The channel is on freenode at #HTC-Holiday. Please, only contributors so we can keep it streamlined and find references quickly.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Longcat14:
Darn, I was going to join, and not talk but keep up with what's happening.

Mind if I do anyways? xD If not, that's ok.

Hope you guys get it unlocked. :)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] GSLEON3:
Sure, it's just sometimes you get folks that constantly suggest things that, for instance, helped them do something on their palm pilot in '99, or worse spamming the sessions. There's not much to follow yet, but it's slowly gaining momentum.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] pside15:
I've contacted a couple of friends that might able to help. Hey have no history of working on Android but they are some serious coders/programers/hackers. If they seem interested should I just direct them to the IRC to see if they can help?
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
Thats good then. I'm glad there is at least a little bit of action going on. All hope is lost in HTC/AT&T and you guys are our only hope. I feel bad for all the people returning it though. I can understand being mad at HTC, but I think development on this beast will be sweet once it gets cracked.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Longcat14:
I do too, but I was going to switch to a skyrocket... I think I'll wait, since people are actually trying.

This phone will be amazing once we have an unlocked bootloader... I can smell it!
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] blopez24:
I agree with you guys my major peeb is carrier iq I can wait for root n unlocked bootloader.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] randrewm97:
I'm switching tomorrow. I don't care to not be rooted. But I don't like being lied to. Htc said they was going to unlock the bootloader and they didn't. I hold grudges :-)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] s14evil:
I think ill keep my inspire till there is full root...
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] slapshot30:
They seem to be close to rooting the Rezound, can the method they use be similar to what we might be able to use?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1375598

EDIT: Apparently links to his site are prohibited. But just google "s-off think tank" to get to Evil's site.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] ToyGUN:
Cdn raider has all the same as vivid. I believe Roger's row keeps defaulting lte access to 1700/2100 right now as they haven't got a 700 band yet, but it is available on our device. Korea raider is.on 850 band for lte however. Other than that they are about the same.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] zanef7:
The fault on locked boot loaders falls on att. HTC has the Raider unlocked which is the equivalent.

Att forces their software to meet certain expectations to be on their network. They let Samsung and other manufacturers break their own rules for who knows what reason by letting them leave the boot loaders locked. Everyone should focus their efforts on att allowing HTC to let HTCdev give us the software unlock because when they do HTC will have it for us. Until then we can't expect anything from HTC.

Sent from my HTC Holiday
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Infinimint:
I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss how to root the phone.

All I've been reading is people playing the blame game and saying how they've switched to another phone/carrier.

Let's please stay on topic. -.-

With that said, we should probably make a google doc with what has been tried so we can save time.

Sent from my HTC Vivid.