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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] haydonxda:
Why have you linked subsidy with carrier branding? The subsidy is present to lock the consumer into a contract. That doesn't in any way shape or form mean that there must be branding/bloatware on the phone.

You're linking unrelated issues. The carrier is simply taking advantage of the fact that they're the only distribution channel in the US. If that's what you mean by "they get to" I agree.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Qwallace70129:
Ummmmm....... It's Verizon..... Do you HONESTLY think they care about their customers?????
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
You can thank Google for making that happen but don't expect it to continue. Google is not in the subsidy business. You can bet Google is pressuring carriers to leave it alone but usually whoever is paying the bill gets to decide what's on the menu.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I will have a hardy laugh if Verizon announces a locked bootloader for their LTE model.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] shibby80:
i have a ns4g and there is no apps from sprint on it or carrier branding
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
Same thing with my g/f's Sprint Nexus S 4G. I hope to god the verizon version somehow won't end up with that damn ugly Verizon logo plastered anywhere on the device.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
It's not about buying another phone. It's about being worth ditching the phones we have now...

I have a Verizon Blackberry and a LG G2x. Works pays for one and I pay for another. $70 out of my pocket every month and I was hoping the Galaxy Nexus could provide me a solution to combine forces and go with a working solution that won't be tied down to Verizon's BS rules and firmwares.

I'm just looking to save money every month with a happy solution but I don't want to sell my perfectly working G2x on Tmo to end up with a bad solution on Verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
You obviously haven't read up today. It will have Verizon on the back.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
You have it backwards. The carrier enters into an agreement with the OEM. "I'll order a minimum of x million devices at $yyy per device." The carrier then offers the device to you at $yyy - $zzz (the subsidy) to entice you into buying it. In order to make sure they don't lose money by subsidizing your device, they lock you into a term contract. So long and short, VZW is putting down several millions of dollars to bring this device to market.

That doesn't even factor the CDMA/LTE component. Verizon is probably paying Sammy a pretty penny for CDMA/LTE integration. This is because Sammy can only resell that work in few other markets and thus their ROI is limited.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] spencer88:
I have read up on it today. I said somehow. I did see that picture.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] onthecouchagain:
Again, those that keep saying carrier subsidized phone always has branding need only look as far as the iPhone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
There are notable exceptions. Most all carriers dropped their pants and let Jobs have his sweet way with them just to make sure they got the iPhone. AT&T got raped but in the end, it was well worth it. There are rumors of failed negotiations between VZW and AAPL for the exclusive on the first iPhone.

Bottom line: If you think a carrier doesn't want to co-brand and customize the device it is paying for, you're crazy.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
have you tried to tether with it? cause if you did you would have seen it was blocked. that call tinkering with a device. Tmo's GSM version was completely untouched. but it also was unsubsidised
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Source of this screenshot? I'm not aware of anybody who has the LTE version of the GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
Good point. nice detective skills :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
a simple Google image search rendered the following result

http://mydroidworld.com/forums/galaxy-nexus-discussions/10025-galaxy-nexus-review.html

hint. MyDroidWorld.com watermark over the image kinda said the source
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
p3droid's review of a pre-release LTE model
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Apple designs, builds, and sells the phones to Carriers, carriers then resell them to customers. Apple built a CDMA/GSM compatible phone so that they can sell to carriers around the world with less costs.

Subsidized phones are built to spec by the Carriers (LTE please!) The GN on Verizon is literally a different phone than the GSM variant.

The Nexus One, Nexus S (gsm), Galaxy Nexus (GSM) are/were sold like the iPhone is.

The LTE GN is being sold like every other subsidized phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Ok, I missed that watermark. Whoops.

Funny, I read that review when it came out, but I guess at that point none of us realized that the screenshot of the My Verizon Wireless app meant that it came on the /system partition and can't be removed.

Well, there's still the chance that in the final build this won't be the case. He has a pre-release model, with the 1750mAh battery. Quite a bit has changed since then, including the hardware. So maybe the software build changed as well.

One can only hope...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
Yep, it's a down right shame. Next on the hit parade, an outrageous price from big red.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kgbkny:
At this point, the rumor is a lot more likely to happen than not. I highly doubt that Verizon will agree to let Google handle the updates when without their involvement, when Verizon bloatware is involved. No carrier would allow that to happen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
Highly likely is fair to say. I just wish people would stop continuing to state rumors as facts.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ckoadiyn:
We all knew something was going to happen they signed hands with the number one carrier who is the devil. Why do you think they are big red. Amazed you can unlock the bootloader seeing how VZW isn't allowing it on the razr. If sprint goes down the drain much more idk where the hell ill go to.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
As long as the LTE and GSM model are close enough where they can share the same roms, this won't be an issue. If someone gets a Google OTA update on a GSM phone and can just throw the LTE drivers in and release it THEN I'll be fine.

My worry is that already you have a difference between LTE and GSM with development. Hopefully building roms for both is as simple as dropping in drivers for both..... BUT the GSM model will have more development on its end thus if the phones are too different, LTE users will be left scraps... which sucks.

I just don't want to end up like the SGS2 variant for Tmobile, with a different chipset = unable to take advantage of the huge SGS2 development.

My issue has always been support. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out how different the two versions really are and how easy it is to port stuff from one to the other.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keatre:
+1. The shotty service and slow as hell "4G" is offputting enough.

Verizon had me at the GN launch in Oct - but now I'm not sure.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Google had no problems pushing OTA updates themselves that contained Amazon's MP3 store. I'm sure they'll have no problems pushing OTA updates that have a couple of Verizon's non-essential utilities that aren't tied to the hardware in any way.

That said, it still all depends on how Google and Verizon arranged for this to work...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
I'm sure its been covered in these dozen pages, but Verizon can do what they want to the phone when its subsidized and locked to their network. They can add bloat, whether we like it or not. Those of you buying it on VZW should just be happy that you can completely disable any app (carrier or otherwise) quite easily.

As far as OTAs go, they'll come fast, but not nearly as fast as the HSPA+ version. Remember that each update will have to be checked with VZW (who has a long approval process) and they must add their CDMA/LTE network stacks to the OTA before pushing. It'll take just a little longer but definitely not as long as you'd get with a normal skinned phone.

Its not a Galaxy Nexus, its a Verizon Galaxy Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
really though I would not consider the VZW manager app bloatware, the syncing one yes, but if i remember correctly I was able to uninstall that app without rooting on my DX2..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KaliKot:
You guys are overreacting

It's 2 helpful apps and nothing else.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kgbkny:
Actually, Motorola locks bootloaders as standard practice. This is not Verizon's fault.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
So I guess the treshold on XDA before conversations go circular is about 70 posts?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Completely different discussion for another thread, but most indications are that they lock the bootloader at Verizon's request. Kind of a combined effort.

Motorola say that they lock them and its the "carriers choice" to unlock them. Obviously Verizon would never choose to unlock it if they come in locked.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
I think people are concerned that Google updates will get delayed in Verizon bureaucratic process and thus delay their enjoyment of new releases. The VZW bloatware on a pre-release device so close to rumored release dates indicates there is a reasonable chance that VZW has it's fingerprints on the firmware and has worked itself into the release process.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
IT GOES AGAINST THE NEXUS CODE !

Its like wearing shorts in the winter. you can do it but then your like "WTF" ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
And please believe me when I say I do understand that. I love Nexus phones because anytime I want I can get the latest updates directly from the source. It's a fantastic system. All I was saying in that last bit is that a *vast* majority of people that buy Nexus phones don't keep it stock longer than around an hour anyway. I don't know *anyone* that owned a Nexus One or Nexus S that kept it running the stock rom.

Besides that point, I do understand the point of it. Verizon is better than most carriers, but the carrier group, as a whole, is notorious for delaying updates. it's a horrific problem when it comes to getting updates; however, we still don't even know for sure if this will be the case. People are getting worked up and angry over something that has not yet been confirmed. That's a tireless and stressful practice that will never produce fruit. It will only further to madden you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] onthecouchagain:
How should Google have released the Galaxy Nexus?

Look to the Verizon iPhone.

@JCop, then why label it a Nexus phone for Verizon, when it's not meant to be what a Nexus phone should be. Google shouldn't have sold out on the moniker.

Having said that, there's still the GSM version to look forward to once the exclusivity ends. The question is when.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] navillos:
Ha! this is just a Galaxy S II HD LTE "with Google". You guys will have to wait for Verizon to push the updates. Screw Verizon ill just wait for an HSPA+ version.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
BINGO! Im thinking many verizon users are defending this outrage because they know deep down inside “its not really a nexus”
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] e-dub:
gsm forever.

eric b
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Buck Shot:
i dont consider 2 apps bloatware nor do i think 2 apps will stop google updates. How do we know they werent addd from the market
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keatre:
There's a screenshot a few pages back that shows its not a Market app...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
last i checked both those apps are available from the market

but really the account management app, most people would get any ways and the sync app would be easy enough to remove, at least it isnt ****ing NFS preinstalled or some crappy movie
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keatre:
EDIT: You cant uninstall it, just disable it. Apologies if that was misunderstood.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
There are other more egregious apps that you can't remove either, like Gmail and Google+.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] testacon:
You might want to Google this comment because it's inaccurate...

Start here and work your way around...

http://www.google.com/search?q=Moto...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Motorola stated that they would no longer lock their bootloaders UNLESS the carrier requests/requires it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
I know we are dissapointed about the bloat apps...but realistically whos rooting this device day one?

almost everyone on this forum, meaning theyll just uninstall it with TB or something like that so in reality it isnt a "big" deal
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keatre:
Couldn't agree more. Most of this thread is more of nerd-rage about the "death" of what Nexus is... But really most of us will just receive updates from the Dev community.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
yup, ill unlock the bootloader as soon as i get it and root it then wait patiently for CM
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] testacon:
I think you might be missing the point of these posts. Verizon hasn't made any comments on a release date or what the meaning of these 2 apps represent. Once Engadget and other news sources pick up on these stories and run with them, either Google or Verizon will most likely address the update question as to who controls the updates. Verizon might not cave on the release date but the negative publicity on whether or not it's a pure Google experience should be answered.

I understand that we aren't "entitled" to anything but I'm sure Verizon has it's spies on all the major sites and this topic has got to come up and be discussed within the company, there is too much negative publicity on this subject to not get an answer.

Even on Verizon forums this topic just got asked:

http://community.vzw.com/t5/Android-Discussions/Galaxy-Nexus-Bloatware/td-p/727539/highlight/false

Not answered yet, by Verizon but things are definitely steaming up, hopefully someone address this topic very soon...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
How awesome are those roms that couldn't use wimax radios, or HML?

Pretty awesome, right?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keatre:
Haha, you sir are a positive person. /s

To answer your question, not too awesome.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] senf:
My T-Mo NS came with a "My Account" application already installed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
You mean MHL?

The AOSP build instructions for the GSM Galaxy Nexus doesn't say it needs a binary blob for MHL, so either Android has built-in support for MHL or MHL doesn't work on the standard AOSP build.

As for the Verizon LTE binary blob...we'll have to wait and see. Even if the LTE RIL not officially made available, shouldn't be too hard to extract it from a LTE Galaxy Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Reviewers:
Once this phone come's out i'll be purchasing it but HSPA+ version , i don't think HSPA+ work would work on VZN but i sure do think it'll be the same way so i'll write a tutorial or something removing all bloatware .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] clearym:
Were u able to uninstall it without rooting?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] krat0s123:
Lol.. This has got to be one of the funniest threads I've ever seen on XDA. People showing up who ignorantly read just the title of the thread and thrashing the OP.. Obviously, this same people doesn't have a single clue what a Nexus line of phone means. It's not about the single bloat on the phone, it's the fact that this could mean that the updates might come from vzw or any carrier first, and not Google is the issue! And since carriers release a good line of android phones every quarter or so, means they will try to sell whatever new phone comes out first with newer version of Google, before giving the nexus owners their updates, or that is if they even decided to. Another thing is, I thought ICS were supposed to defeat the Android fragmentation? Giving vzw exclusivity and letting them add bloats, which might mean that one would have to wait for carrier specific updates is totally opposite to what a Nexus line of phone and ICS are supposed to accomplish! Again, this is not a nerd rage over a single app bloat! It's about what the Google experience is supposed to be, and what they are promising to accomplish with the ICS a month ago! No wonder why all of a sudden they got quiet after last months unveiling of Nexus and ICS. And anther thing, it's getting a little more obvious why they're delaying the release here in the US. It's coz vzw is tweaking the OS to their network and adding bloats, which again means they will handle the updates from here on. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm sure those ignorant trolls would point out quickly that I am. But we'll see..

Sent from my Samsung galaxy s2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Here are my 2 cents as a proud nexus one and Nexus S owner.

I agree largely with the rant here. I think it is a very slippery slope from here onwards, giving large carriers and manufacturers way to much power over the Nexus line.

I sensed this may happen when the Nexus S came out, but was hopeful that Google would learn from it. Aparently that has not happened.

So, in essence I am as annoyed by this move as you all are.

However, I can hardly believe that Google is sitting back, not realizing and letting it happen. So in my mind that is a deliberate move. I am not saying I appreciate it, but I am wondering whether google is now - for one reason or the other - letting go of the "google experience phone".

Afterall, I have hardly ever seen Google promote or openly appreciate the key factors that WE (geeks, fanboys, freaks whatever we are) believe the Nexus line to be.

We value:

- fast updates straight from google

- no bloatware

- no carrier influence

- no hardware company influence (or hardly any)

- "Developer phone"

I must admit, maybe we are just clinging on to something that evolved naturally -or we value(d) something that just happened unintentionally. As such, Google may decide to go down a different route, to increase user acceptance/carrier acceptance or whatever they may have in mind.

All i know - google uses the Nexus as a showcase for the new Android OS. Nothing more, nothing less. Since the Nexus one, google never spoke about the Nexus S being a developer phone or all the other things we appreciate in the Nexus line. Actually, in all the news/articles I read, google never mentioned "developer phone" or carrier-free or anything. My alarm bells rang when I saw Google listing "launch partners" when they announced the (hate the word) GALAXY nexus. I hated to see that there is the GALAXY word in the name.

But how many care? A handful of hardcore fans who may be a dying bread with the nexus?

Again, not saying I like this trend. I actually would go as far as to say we are being ignored (we being the devs, the fanboys the hardcore users).

However, we are a minority. FASTBOOT OEM UNLOCK? the average joe doesnt know what that is. Updates? The average joe doesnt care as long as it works. Carrier bloatware? The average joe may find it useful. No carrier or HW influence? Again, the average joe would probably say "dont care"

I believe Google may actually promote this new trend with the Nexus line. For one reason or the other.

We can like it or not. I twittered/emailed and whatever google about the whole launch fail, the crappy availability, the stupid name and all that stuff. I have jet to hear back. But i wouldnt count on it :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Reviewers:
There's a t-mobile galaxy nexus ? Where did u get it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
oh and one more thought:

Do you think google planned the Nexus (everything after the Nexus One, plural) to target these areas?

- quick released without carrier intervention/testing?

- No bloat

- developer phone

I do not think they did. We just chose the Nexus because other phones suffered from these issues and we didnt want that. Again, the updates etc may have just naturally happened as no carrier "cared" or was interested in the device due to the insignificant market share.

And if the things we "love" have to be sacrificed or amended because of it, that may be very well acceptable to Google - because these were just things we read into it and were never planned (or accepted) as "core features" of the nexus line by google?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BFirebird101:
You must buy the pentaband unlocked version overseas and pop in a tmobile sim
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Reviewers:
The pentaband unlocked version's are still good 100% athentic right & could u give me a site ?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Go to the Prices & Pre-orders thread. Different importers charge different amounts, and have different shipping dates as of now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Reviewers:
Alright , thanks .
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110701130156/http://www.google.co.uk/nexus/features.html

"Unlocked by default

Out of the box, Nexus S is unlocked, so it will work with any GSM operator."
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphones/android/GT-I9250TSAXEU-features

"Pure Google"

"GALAXY Nexus users enjoy privileged access to the latest updates and services directly from Google. First in line for software upgrades and new Established Google-based features such as Gmail and Google Talk merge with newer offerings like Music Beta across a fully integrated and easily accessible user interface."

For the international GSM version at least...

Also, all the Nexus phones are developer phones. In fact Nexus is just the new name for what used to be called ADP (Android Developer Phone). See here: http://source.android.com/source/building-devices.html
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] JTECJ:
All this means is I'm going to have to send that much more American capital over sees to purchase the real thing. On the bright side there is something to be said for having a rare phone. What better way then making you have to import?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
GOOD FIND! Thanks!

Okay, I take it all back. Thats a feature now so I join the nerd-rant without any further reservations ! :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] k_nivesout:
One thing I'm surprised nobody has brought up: How likely is it that Verizon will allow the nexus on their network with the tethering functionality untouched? Not too likely. I'd think Verizon would put their own awful tethering app (obviously not free) on the nexus.

Although these are things that could've just been assumed automatically when it was confirmed the phone was coming to Verizon, I'm not sure I understand why the uproar has been a recent thing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
It looks like tethering might be untouched by Verizon: http://www.google.com/support/ics/nexus/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1650164&topic=1650156
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kgbkny:
I wouldn't say that my comment is entirely inaccurate, although I certainly see your point.

http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-buy-elsewhere-if-you-want-custom-roms-20110119/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] haydonxda:
CarrierIQ Rootkit

On a similar note of unwanted software cramming...

I wonder if any of the delay has anything to do with Verizon ensuring that their CarrierIQ spyware is running on the phone?

That would really piss me off. And it'd be a very clear indication that firmware updates will have to pass through Verizon first. No more "Pure Google".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
thats just a general how too... i will bet the house it is blocked