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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] silver03wrx:
784778[/ATTACH]What do you expect? Think about it the iphone is garbage nothing more then a glorified app launcher. You can do sooooo much more with an android device that this should be an easy choice unless your a die hard fanboy. I wouldnt use an iphone even if it were free. Sure androids battery life isnt great but any superphone or superlaptop isnt going to be either unless they make it twice as thick to hold a very large battery. Also when you had your iphone i bet you did not use it nearly as much and now you probobly watch videos on youtube and netflix download free music surf the web alot more. So that may be another reason you arent as happy with the battery. Cant do awhole lot with an iphone to drain the battery nearly as much.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] djarpit:
agreed.

you can do a lot more and that takes a lot more batterey
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] madmike23:
Umm.. We talking about

battery life

here... It's also not "android battery life" (no such thing), it's the samsung skyrocket phone's battery life we are talking about. You can vibrate the hell out of your phone between your legs and run out of juice. But it'll take a long time for it to recharge until you can continue with your vibrating.

As for can't do a whole lot with an iphone: I drain my phone with tower defense games like Sentinel 3. Available for both platforms. Drains battery just the same.

Nobody an iPhone fanboy here (this is xda, is it not?), but then again, I dont drink anyone's kool-aid...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] Daedalus_:
That's why you don't ****ing charge from the computer. Also it is really fast to charge up to around 85%, the next 15% will take much longer due to the way all lithium batteries are made.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] CZ Eddie:
Yes, it takes longer to charge up the Skyrocket than it does an iPhone.

Part of this is because the Skyrocket battery is a larger capacity battery than the iPhone battery.

The larger the battery, the longer it takes to charge up.

The bigger your glass of milk, the longer it takes to fill it up.

The larger your cars gas tank, the longer it takes to fuel it up.

Etc.etc.etc.

But in keeping with the thread, I'd like to second the request for any info on fast chargers. We know that USB/computer charges slower than wall outlet chargers (wall-marts). But are there any wall chargers that charge faster than others?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] silver03wrx:
I doubt it i believe the phones hardware only excepts a certain voltage and amperage. So even if the charger was slightly.highrr voltage and or.amperage the phone will only accept.what the hardware allows. You can have an underpowerd charger but to prevent mishaps there designed not to be able to overpower i may be wrong but i believe thats whus up
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] al mon:
Searched the forum for a solution but couldn't find one that addresses the one on the EVO.

Rooted, 7.1 Stable. I no longer get voicemail. The phone instead brings up this cryptic SMS sayting someone called and the message is like:

//ANDROID: (someone's tele) has sent you a Sprint Voice Message. Call 408-970-0000 to lisen MMSN, some long serial number to something.

When I do call that number it asks to setup the VM, I've done this a few times already.

Any help would be appreciated.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] teh roxxorz:
You can either restore the sprint vvm from a sense rom, or you can install google voice,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] notlu01:
I used Google voice. At least sprint makes it easy because they partnered with Google, so you can keep your phone # and still get all of the google voice services.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] al mon:
The HTC Sense/Sprint file is called Voicemail T5.1.0.60. After restore, the VM works perfectly. It took a couple of backups of all things called voice.... to get it right.

Awesome. Thanks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JUN10R831:
Just flash a rom with working VVM like Miks Rom and backup VVM using TB or Root Backup and when u flashback reinstall it using your TB but first install the apk and the data it sometimes freezes when u do both at the sametime

I Am Legend
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Since when did the best phone come down to the best CPU. If I licensed winmo 2003 and put it on a quad-core phone with 2 gigs of ram would it run smoother than even android? Let alone WP7 or iOS. Our hardware tech is years ahead of what our phones are capable of software-wise. Most of our highest-grade games run on a 1 GHz processor without fail. So, why has the best phone come down to a **** measuring contest of unnecessary and oft unused power?
[General Topics] Genrauser:
You're missing an important point: the energy comsumption.

The current dual-cores are consuming less than the old 1-cores and the 4-cores will consume even less energy (smaller size = less consumption), thus increasing battery life.

And I also do not agree on your definition of "phone". Until now our phones are "local minor PCs", but as soon as ICS is expanded and it has USB HOST and so, we should be able to connect a keyboard, mouse and screen to the device and just drop our entire pc-tower to the dust.

It's evolution.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
It ensures that the software of tomorrow will work on the hardware of today. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. Same thing with laptops. They used to be useless after a year, now they last much longer.

And I know you will probably say "but not all phones are getting ICS!" But the fact is, all of the high end phones will get it, even if it is supplied by a third party.
[General Topics] slapshot30:
Exactly. And the high end phones being the ones with these crazy processors. Because of that they will be ready for future software.

By the way, thanks for starting this flame session z33. Wonder how long it'll take to get the thread locked...

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Android isn't resource hungry in the sense that it needs ridiculous specs to run. Even ICS, given the source and such, should run on the old snapdragons and even the 800Mhz g2 processors before over-clocking, so still, it's not really necessary. As far as energy consumption goes, there's only one OS that eats batteries and that's due to the lack of optimization of code. I just don't believe hardware should be the defining factor when purchasing a phone unless its form factor or a feature.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
But you don't know what might come out tomorrow, or next week, or next year. Better to be prepared than stuck buying another $500 phone.
[General Topics] GSX-Rob:
The pissing contest is the same mindless garbage that we see in any other hobbyist group, whether it's PCs, cars, motorcycles or penis pumps. It's about some OCDer's ability to waste endless amounts of time tweaking to wring a few last numbers out on a synthetic benchmark that only fellow OCDers will give two sh*ts about. The answer is simple. Some people enjoy making technology better, others are just plain f*cking stupid. If they spent as much time picking up a book and learning to code, or do anything remotely useful at all... you know, doing something to contribute as they did stroking themselves about having a high score on a benchmark, we'd have more and better apps, they'd have money in their wallets, and we wouldn't have forums so full of nonsense.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
This is the reason most software companies in the cellphone industry offer at least two years guaranteed support. It just happens to be the length of the contract. I was once a victim of the hardware pissing contest, I literally swapped phones sometimes 3 times a month just constantly upgrading.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
I would rather not be guaranteed 2 year software support. All that means to me is a guarantee that my software has no chance of catching up to the hardware...for the sake of their "guarantee".
[General Topics] N8ter:
Most? Are you new here. Remember WinMo updates. WP has been out for a year, so you're making assumptions there. The only company that has supported their phones for two years is google with the Nexus phones and Apple since the older models reduce capacity and serve as their mid range offerings.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Even the old iPhones have the two year support range.

Lowandbehold, software isn't catching up to hardware any time soon considering every mobile OS still runs fine on a 1 GHz processor
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
So you claim to be a dev and a tech geek yet you are complaining about OEM's pushing the envelope? What kind of person wants technology to stop evolving?
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
so in what? 4 years? When android can take advantage of dual core, you'll pull out the old gs2 that you've upgraded twice from and say, "wow, this phone can't run one specific game that my new octa-core phone does." For such a privilege you sacrifice OEM support as a whole. Yay, logic.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I simply don't see why the hardware is the biggest deal. We are a developer community and until software can keep up with hardware then there's simply no point. If everything runs flawlessly on a 1gig processor, why is that considered low-end.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
The only thing pointless is this thread. You really thing technology should come to a halt.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Not at all, I just think that software should be more important than hardware when choosing a phone
[General Topics] mkropf:
Because compared to the new phones it is. Not saying that those (low end) phones aren't fast (or fast enough) on wp7 or any other os but since the bar has been raised, their low end.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
And it is to some people and not to others. Stop trying to force feed your beliefs onto others. Well, actually android is the better software as well...for my needs.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
but this only works on android. Other OSes are smoother than android on three year old hardware. So, in cross-platform arguments it's annoying.
[General Topics] Ace42:
Does anyone else feel that battery tech hasn't even caught up with the new hardware? :confused:
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
HAHAHHA, it has really come to this? My OS is better because my hardware is outdated?? :rolleyes: Grow up.
[General Topics] galaxys:
LOL, Android is so much smoother smoother smoother smoother smoother smoother smoother smoother smoother than other OS's! :p
[General Topics] Dark lord me:
Agreed All phones get amazing screens, processors and other internal guts yet the batteries barely get any improvement. How about putting some money into the batteries so a phone will typically last like 3-4 days of heavy usage not the one day of medium usage.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
OEM's don't produce batteries...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
blind fanboyism, even when sarcastic, is stupid.
[General Topics] slapshot30:
You're stupid with your relentless attempts at justifying your lust for a bunch of tiles smoothly moving across your screen.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
That's a rather childish and rash approach to a point. The OS choices are simple. Each has theirpluses and negatives and we choose that which we enjoy most.

Android has customization but you sacrifice choice and quality

IOS has quality and minimal customization but you sacrifice choice

WP7 has quality and choice but you sacrifice all customization.

I like to know my phone will work no matter what, I like Zune player and only didn't invest in them due to the lack of apps, I like my Xbox live integration (with the games gaining deeper integration were almost to a pivotal point in mobile gaming.) I like office, I like an aesthetically modern and simple but dynamic UI that keeps me informed of everything I need to know on the homescreen rather than glossy, mismatched widgets. Honestly though, one of the main reasons I bought it was Netflix when wp7 first came out. It was funny how Netflix said they couldn't run on the 1ghz snapdragons and yet we had it. I bought my phones because they keep me in tune with my life rather than becoming my life with constant maintenance.
[General Topics] slapshot30:
What do you mean by choice? Where is android lacking in choice? There are tons of high and low end phones from various manufacturers. I see choice as going hand in hand with customization also.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[General Topics] Dark lord me:
Nor do OEM's produce screens, bodies, processors (except samsung) ram and internal storage they buy them. They may make one or two components though but the battery should be one thing they demand improvements on
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
that was a mistake on my part. I was typing whilst eating. Yes, android has choice but severely lacks quality. It excels in choice, wp7 excels in quality, and iOS doesn't really excel outside of the marketplace.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Lol... he's backpedaling now. If Microsoft wants unforgettable phones they need unforgettable hardware. Not the hardware from two years ago that we forgot about.

You seem desperate to make wp7 and its devices more of a factor than they are (as in not at all).

You can't do that. Microsoft Has to. their hardware requirements make you bitter, not android devices nor consumer's thirst for cutting edge hardware.

And now I'm going to ignore you because blind fanboyism is getting retarded round these parts, even when sarcasm.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
An ignore list I don't mind making as you've been trolling anything in favor of wp7 for a year now. You do, however over-estimate the average consumer. The average consumer can't discern the difference between a 1 GHz and a 1.3 GHz dual core processor. The main hindrance is a late arrival, poor marketing, and carrier interference. As an OS, WP7 is more than valid competition. Anyway, l do hope you can't read this.
[General Topics] vnvman:
Idk how more cores will help battery life exactly, but it's quite a fact that the latest WP7 single core phones clocked @1.4 ghz kinda suck in terms of battery life compared to the latest multi-core Androids. And i'm talking about "out of the box" battery life, because ofc with some tweaking my GS2 lasts even more, and you can't tweak WP7 at all instead. My Omnia 7 has better battery life compared to the newer Lumia 800, but it still isn't on par with my GS2.

Imho this suggests that overclocking single-core phones instead of adding cores isn't a great idea, especially when you have a non-removable built-in battery like WP7 phones. Right now battery life is what made me change my mind about the Lumia: i really wanted to get one, but moving from a GS2 with 2 batteries to a phone that drains more and has only one battery would have felt disappointing imho. I don't wanna be enslaved by my battery charger lol...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I often get 2 days on my lumia 800 I've never completed one on my gs2...
[General Topics] Dirk:
It's a Marketing arms-race and nothing more. Each company trying to create the biggest, most powerful device they can to outsell their competitors. Do we the consumer need it? No. I'm perfectly happy with my small, single core device.

Four cores, wow, two more than before. Let's bring out an even more bloated version of Sense and use three of those cores to run it. Battery drain? No problem, make the phone bigger and throw in a bigger battery! Charge the consumer more, Profit!! :rolleyes:
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
And it is the same in all aspects of technology! Bigger tv's with better quality, ridiculous laptops, the xbox 360 isn't good enough, we want the 720! That is the nature of business and technology. It's all about having the biggest and the best on the market. It hardly just applies to cell phones. You may be happy with your single core device, and thats great. My grandmother is happy with her 19 inch non hd tv...but she won't be hosting any super bowl parties anytime soon.
[General Topics] :
Actually as technology becomes more standard it becomes easier and cheaper to mass produce. Companies usually start under shooting prices of the competitor. To let you know carriers buy the products for a much lower price than what carriers charge us on contract. If the biggest complaint in battery life in these products then let us have better technology that improves on battery life.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
The batteries are fine, it's a matter of optimizing the software.
[General Topics] vnvman:
I doubt that screen on battery consumption has anything to do with software optimization tho...
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
So explain the sub-par battery quality of your precious lumina.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Sub-par? Clearly you're getting your reviews from a biased source. The last phone I had that rivaled this as far as battery life goes was the Samsung blackjack and that thing was a tank.
[General Topics] upichie:
Well if anyone is a biased source, it's definitely you z33. ;)

I've gotten 2 days out of any Android phone I've ever owned, so... how is that good? I'd say 2 days isn't good at all. Any phone should be able to do that.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
He is pro WP7. I would hardly call him a bias source. Every review I have read as well says the battery life is horrible. I also get about a day and a half out of my battery.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
I get two days and pretty much all my browsing/gaming is done from a phone since I'm always all over the country and don't like lugging a laptop around. I've never come close to a day on any android phone from the g1 to the gs2 nor any WP7 device up to this point. IOS is the only one to clear the one day marker prior to this phone and that was ruined with ios 5.

Lowandbehold, yes, but he's clearly going off of a review rather than personal experience. Stupid sites like endgadget tend to spread malicious crap.
[General Topics] upichie:
Is the definition of "malicious crap" anything that you don't agree with? I took the liberty of reading the battery portion of Engadget's review. They certainly don't have any similar claims that you do. They said it wasn't very good (in detail, breaking down what they used it for). You're saying it's better than any Android phone you've ever owned (which is a lot of phones, according to you).

Personally, I can get 2 days easy out of my phone. I've seen screenshots of 7+ days off of an Android phone (obviously not being used much at all). The fact that you have never, ever been able to even come close to 1 single, full day on an Android phone either means you don't shut your screen off (which isn't the case, since then your WP7 would have bad battery life as well) or you simply love to speak derogatorily about Android, often spreading incorrect information.

I think we'll be going with the latter on that one. :)
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
From the g1 to the gs2 I've never made a full day. That said, I'm a heavy phone gamer and Netflix watcher and all in all have probably used my gs2 for a week total so the novelty may not have worn off. My screen is pretty much on the whole time I'm not in meetings though. Perhaps now that the lumia 800 is publicly available, we can get some real reviews from real users.
[General Topics] upichie:
I prefer professional reviews. And so far, every single one I have read completely disagrees with you.

But I suppose this only means every professional gadget review sight is spreading "malicious crap", doesn't it... :(
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
So because you say it it is fact, and everyone else who has touched the phone is a liar. And when we say we have none of the issues you pin on android..we are liars. You really need to come to terms with yourself. YOU are the one blinded by fanboyism z33.

It is a f**king conspiracy. Every site against the Lumia...
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Not at all, everyone has their personal experiences, however, android's framerate has been proven time and time again. Thus far, all we have on the lumia 800 is reviews from four sites that are predominately android or iOS sites. I find that the intelligent consumer often has better insight into a product, they actually had to pay for it so they typically aren't picking it up for a day, reviewing it, and tossing it aside. They often come to know the phone and often have less bias.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
VNVMAN has the Lumia, so I really don't know where you are trying to take your argument. Are you publicly calling him a liar?
[General Topics] upichie:
If by "four sites that are predominately android or iOS sites" you mean "the first page of google results after searching 'Lumia 800 review'" then yes, absolutely. :)

And while your average user reviews are good to have, they also aren't done professionally. We have people like you, an average user, saying things like "[with the Lumia 800] I get two full days," and "my screen is pretty much on the whole time I'm not in meetings." These not only tell us nothing, but they give us false impressions of what the battery is capable of. A professional review, on the other hand, provides a detailed account of how the battery was used—usually down to minute increments of each task—as well as far more accurate information in ever way imaginable. So while you disregard these fairly concrete claims (even when the majority, if not all sites—regardless of their alleged bias—have the same claims) the rest of us will just simply shake our heads at you.

Well, he did say "intelligent users", so it's likely he's only calling him dumb. Although I'm not entirely sure which one is worse... :p
[General Topics] Turducken:
Android's selling point is it's superior hardware, regardless of how pointless it is in reality, it's a marketing edge and the high end devices always yield the best profit margin.

iPhone's greatest selling point is "our software is the best" and uses SIRI in it's campaign.

WP7, I think they're still looking for they're "it" selling point. Their ads don't spark anything in me at all.

It's the software that determines "obsolete". If all PC's required Vista/7 then half the worlds PCs wouldn't work. After XP dies, it's onto Ubuntu. Nothing like this exists with smartphones.

Android's community of devs do their best but they're confined to porting a new version of Android using an old kernel and incomplete sources due to patents.

Until this changes, I'll buy "good enough" or used and wait for my work to issue me one.

As said earlier, there will always be fanboys and half witted enthusiasts spewing misinformation and nonsense. They're always the loudest in any forum.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
pretty certain that he has an Omnia 7, not a lumia 800.

All I can say is try it. I played Fusion: Sentient on my phone for almost 5 hours while I was ill the other day and was absolutely shocked to see my battery still at ninety percent, that's easily one of the most graphic intensive games on WP7. I haven't had a phone that could survive my usage like this in quite some time.
[General Topics] lowandbehold:
Really though...who sits at home and plays games and watches netflix on their cell phone? One with a teeny tiny screen for that matter. Unless you were trying to prepare your "average user" review to compare against a professional one.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
My cellphone is my favorite gaming device. I'm currently walking a local college playing some games and love it. Netflix is cool in some instances too. I love cutting off a movie on my Xbox and continuing it on my phone when I leave
[General Topics] N8ter:
The jacks had small batteries and the OS was anything but efficient. You're not helping yourself here.

Blackberries also had battery life measures in says but the OS performance in OS 6 was deplorable.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Most phones will need a charge 50-70% through one Netflix movie stream. That goes for all OSes. You cannot be a heavy gamer and Netflix user on any phone and expect 2 days off a charger. It doesn't happen, and it's not even debatable. Anything else is fiction as far as I'm concerned. The lumina doesn't even have what most could consider a big battery capacity.