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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
You have to worry about exactly the same thing with any Android phone these days (except for the global Nexus' I guess). You realize that if no CDMA/LTE carrier had signed on with Google/Samsung to carry the GN, there wouldn't be an LTE model? And right now the only indication of a US-based GN is from Verizon, who actually will be carrying their own model (SCH-i515), not just a slightly tweaked GSM one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
LTE needs to die in a fire, it's the next regression to follow CDMA.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
Tell that to all the US carriers who are moving to LTE over HSPA+/WiMax/etc.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Exactly. They're moving to a tech that allows them even more control over things they shouldn't be in charge of.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
Companies providing a service to their customers, shouldn't be given control over the service they're providing? ...

If you're referring to how carriers using LTE when the global model is HSPA+ makes it so there needs to be an LTE model, that would happen anyway if there is any network differences to the global model that would make it incompatible. LTE is quite a bit faster than HSPA+ from my understanding, so...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] testacon:
Take this with a grain of salt...

http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...onday-stores-black-friday-17.html#post1416871

Since this is the new "rumor mill" thread, I figured I'd throw this into the mix.

The site above claims that the "delays" with this phone is because of one of the two pieces of software that Verizon is adding to the phone. The backup program isn't working as expected so they are trying to work out the bugs. This comes from the site administrator not just a forum mod. I don't know the accuracy of that site but like everything else here, since Verizon doesn't care enough to comment on why the delay exists, I would NOT be the least bit surprised that it is from their total incompetence.

I also apologize if this is a repeated message, too lazy to re-read 22 pages of this thread...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
LTE is less standardized version of CDMA that allows operators to fragment wireless technology even further.

edit: Amazing @ link above. lol. **** verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
But CDMA is 3GPP2, LTE is 3GPP, the same people behind UMTS. It's in the GSM/ETSI camp...

Or are you not referring to the standards body, but to the technology itself?

I don't see how LTE is any different from GSM. Yeah, carriers have more control on LTE than, say, WiMax, but at least it hasn't gotten any worse.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] onthecouchagain:
This article pretty much sums up what I've been saying. This is bigger than the two Verizon apps and Verizon branding:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-changing-face-of-Google-Nexus-brand_id23898
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
What's with everyone jumping to conclusions while the jury's still out...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BFirebird101:
I swear to God if this delay is due to Verizon trying to pull a locked bootloader out of their ass I'm going to piss with rage
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cbwx34:
My interest in the Nexus, like others, is to get a phone that would be "true Android", hopefully receive faster updates, and not have anything added by the carrier. (Without having to root.)

Does anyone think there's a possibility that, after an exclusive time period with Verizon, Google and/or Samsung will sell a true "carrier free" Nexus phone?

I may be wrong about this (feel free to tell me if I am), but I thought there was a time when a 'developer' phone could be purchased straight from Google.

Also, if you look at the Verizon poster on this page.... phandroidDOTcom/2011/11/17/samsung-galaxy-nexus-lte-revealed-to-be-9-47mm-thick-on-updated-google-landing-page-verizon-in-store-poster/ ... it says near the bottom of the poster, "With Galaxy Nexus, be the first to receive upgrades, features and new apps as they become available." (FWIW... it is advertising). (Replace the DOT I guess I can't post links)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] testacon:
Yep, so either we buy the international pentaband version of the Nexus, or time to look at non-android phones. It looks to me like Google sold out here and got into bed with Verizon to move up the cooperate ladder and be more successful. I'm sure Google will make more money this way, but now "Android" can't look at itself in the mirror anymore and feels like dirty whore now and no amount of showers can get that sticky off!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
This at least gives me some hope. I wouldnt mind all the other BS so long as the updates come from google, and not verizon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
What really shocks me is the complete lack of communication on anything related to this US launch. You would think Google would want to get out in front of this. I expect Verizon not to give a s$1@ but...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
Im hoping that maybe Google/Verizon have something in their agreement that says if Verizon doesn't say anything by a certain date, google can speak out and "steal their thunder", and if so, I hope that date is coming soon...wishful thinking
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
LTE doesn't allow then to do anything, but it's cheaper and more efficient on their end to use LTE. If anything it gives Verizon less control since the FCC disallows Verizon from messing around with phones that utilize LTE. And get used to LTE. It's the next world standard for cellphones, so it's coming to your country whether you want it to or not.

As for the Nexus, I honestly hope that other manufacturers outside of Samsung will build it next time. And while the bloatware in itself is no big deal, I really hope it isn't integrated into the rom. If it is, updates will have to go through Verizon, which kills the point of Nexus.

Heres the problem....if WP7 and iOS can bypass this problem, why can't Android? While there's pre-installed software in WP7, it doesn't prevent Microsoft from pushing updates directly to phones. Google needs to find a way to push updates to ALL android devices, but that's another topic for discussion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
Apple simply went to a carrier that played by their rules. And since iPhone has the sales to back them up, Apple pretty much gets to call the shots with the iPhone. If the Nexus wasn't such a sales failure, Google would be in the same boat too. And since android is open source, they can't put their foot down and muscle carriers to their will like Apple (...and to a extent Microsoft) can.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
Google needs to step up the ad campaign to apple's level. The nexus phones are good competition for iphone, and many of us would argue are better, but not enough people know about them or buy them, hence carriers can push google around more (still hoping that google held its own though and will have to wait and see what the final outcome is with verizon)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
Just to be clear, the above statement couldn't be further from the truth. CDMA is a dying standard deployed in a handful of countries. LTE is 3 years old and just about every major carrier worldwide will use LTE as their 4G wireless standard (real 4G, not HSPA marketed as 4G).

If Verizon wasn't a CDMA carrier, this thread wouldn't exist. Consider this one fact alone: CDMA has no requirement for a SIM. You're completely locked in, i.e. screwed. The LTE standard requires a SIM which is one big step closer to freedom. Not the only step but a big one, nonetheless.

LTE provides no more control than any other preceding or competing licensed wireless communication standard.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xandermpls:
:( This sucks. I was actually getting excited about this device. Son of a b!t(H
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
Apple's influence over the carriers is (was) unprecedented. Chalk that up to Jobs and his reality distortion field. He could take a block of ice, carve an Apple logo into it and then proceed to convince eskimos that not only did he invent ice but that his ice was the only good ice and at $500 a block, it's a good deal. Google does not have a Jobs, but then again neither does Apple anymore.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] purplecrayons:
Damn, that comes off as cold blooded.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] go2mo2:
This statement is only true in the US. In the uk all phones are gsm/cdma and all have sim cards, although you may have to unlock a phone to use a different carriers sim, you at least have the choice
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
Europe, including the UK, banned CDMA a long time ago.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
That's not necessarily true. Carriers have a lot more control on LTE using the IMS subsystem than they would have on WiMax.

That is not to say that an IMS-like solution can't be developed for WiMax that gives carriers the kind of control they have with VoLTE, but so far such a thing doesn't exist. WiMax is pretty much a pure-IP dumb pipe.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DammitCubs:
Not just the US. Korea is moving to LTE and other parts of the world.

LTE will be the standard.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
That's what I was getting at. Just because Europe is (mostly?) GSM/HSPA+ doesn't mean it's what's becoming the standard.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DammitCubs:
They don't' have Jobs, but I don't think he was the driver not the engine. The supply chain and marketing teams are considered top class and you can give that credit to tim cook.

he deserved CEO position
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
What do you mean?

GSM/HSPA+ is the standard, more or less. But that's 3.5G. LTE is 4G (or 4G-transitional, if you go by the original 3GPP definition). It'll be the upcoming standard, along with VoLTE using IMS. The other standards lost, including WiMax, UMB, etc., as well as other VoLTE standards like VoLGA that T-Mobile was backing.

This presentation is an interesting read for anyone interested in voice on LTE: http://www.3g4g.co.uk/Lte/LTE_Voice_0910_Nortel.pdf
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
LTE is the upcoming standard, and is already being implemented in different markets (carriers in the US and various ones around the world). HSPA+ is the standard at the time being. People touting HSPA+ over LTE based on openness or whatever will most likely be transitioning to LTE in the future, so they're basically arguing against the future.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Oh yeah I agree, HSPA+ and LTE aren't even in the same generation, they are different generations in the same product family and same upgrade path. Arguing for the former over the latter makes no sense. But I don't think anyone was making that argument?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
The lack of interoperability on LTE is a major issue people are overlooking.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...e-interoperability-a-brief-hope-shot-down.ars

LTE sim cards are a farce to try to convince people it's like "gsm". There is zero chance of carriers guaranteeing interoperability between themselves.

Supporting LTE by given money for LTE devices is shortsightedness. All for a few more mbps that are going to be limited and throttled regardless.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
I think we've strayed far enough from the main topic but suffice to say IMS has been around since GPRS. I for one would want a smart core with tons of controls.

There are 2.5 billion GSM users worldwide. That's billion with a B.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] _hyperdude:
I'm just referring to those who are saying the global model is inherently better than the LTE one simply because of the networks it operates on.

But I'll just leave it at that. No need getting up in debate over what network infrastructure is better. Verizon is CDMA/LTE, nothing's going to change that, especially leading into the future.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
There's no such thing as an LTE SIM. LTE uses USIM like UMTS.

The interoperability problems described in that article has nothing to do with LTE itself. It's just greedy US carriers exercising market power to force equipment manufacturers to make equipment to only work on their spectrum. There's nothing preventing multi-band LTE devices from being made - if we can somehow get this monopoly behavior under control. That's not a point against LTE: you can do the same thing with any wireless technology, just make sure equipment works on your bands and nobody else's.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ianwood:
If you read the article, you would realize this has all to do with frequency bands. Of which, there are 43 allocated so far for LTE. The standard itself has no such interoperability issues. That's not to say it isn't a problem. It is. But Verizon could have easily put a quad-band LTE radio in the GN to cover US and Europe. They didn't. They put a single band LTE radio in which is pretty dumb but as LTE matures quad and penta-band radios will be the norm. Hopefully soft-bands will become the norm.

LTE was written by the same people who brought you GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS and HSPA.

You know, you're right. Let's ditch LTE and run WiMAX instead! Because that went well for Sprint! Or let's just bet the whole thing on HSPA and keep our fingers crossed for a miracle when the backhaul runs out.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ckoadiyn:
Wimax failed due to the freq n lack of funds bleeding for 14 quarters wasn't how they where hoping to go
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
By that argument, phones that don't rock pentaband GSM are "limited" devices. How cynical can you be?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
The issue, I'm afraid, is much more insidious than that. It's not dumb for Verizon to put single band LTE radios in their devices (well, not dumb for Verizon and its shareholders, anyway), they know exactly what they are doing.

See: http://ecfsdocs.fcc.gov/filings/2010/04/30/6015588771.html

For the details of an accusation against what Verizon and AT&T have been doing.

An exerpt:

"The Alliance demonstrates in its Petition that the band class configurations have enabled AT&T and Verizon to procure mobile devices that will operate only in bands that are virtually the exclusive domains of the Big Two (AT&T‟s Band Class 17 and Verizon‟s Band Class 13), and that these purchasing decisions are making it virtually impossible for small rural and regional carriers to obtain affordable mobile devices for use with services these carriers would provide using Lower A Block spectrum."

We need some policy action to stop this monopolistic behavior, otherwise we'll be stuck with single band LTE equipment even as it matures.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
And now Clearwire is warning they might skip a $237 million Dec 1 debt payment as they need the cash. It doesn't look good for Sprint.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ckoadiyn:
Yeah I saw that Sprint needs a firesale on their holdings
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Drzfr3shboialex:
Relax guys its.most likely only Verizon not tmobile and att verizon loves putting bloatware apps. This is why tmobile should of got it first there wouldn't have been such a big dilemma. Tmobile ftw, maybe this is why Vzw didnt get the Nexus one and Nexus S, they dont deserve one, and if so they should have been the last.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hotleadsingerguy:
A few more? The fastest speed I've ever gotten on HSPA+ was like 6.5Mbps. The fastest speed I've achieved with LTE was around 35Mbps (and I know of people that have hit 70Mbps). I have recorded speeds of 35/12Mbps...which is faster than my home internet.

HSPA isn't even in the same league as LTE...don't try to compare them like it's a trivial difference.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] knipp21:
What does gsm, hspa, lte cdma or sim cards have to do with bloatware? Oh yes...

NOTHING! :-)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
You get 0 MBps when your battery is dead. It's true.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
A truer statement has never been posted.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
Back on topic, even though I'm stuck on Verizon, I personally WON'T get the galaxy nexus, if it's dependant on carrier updates. If I can't install the update.zip straight from google, why bother with the GN over the razr?

Oh and I saw the HSPA Nexus at work. It feels similar to a Droid x in both quality and size. Vs a Droid x, it's barely any bigger and it's thinner. It's not a cheap feeling device at all...which makes the situation even more disappointing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] knipp21:
Personally my next phone WILL have removable storage and a removable battery...meaning it definitely WILL have bloatware lol
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BFirebird101:
All these threads on annoying issues. I'm sure that's why verizon is taking their sweet ass time releasing the phone to US. They aren't retarded like the UK and release buggy phones. I was pissed but now I just want a bugless phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Lol.... That is all.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lorddart:
Although I'm sure Verizon would find a way to prove one was using data even with battery dead :-P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] testacon:
And in what parallel universe does Verizon release bugless phones? It takes them MONTHS to release an update and within a day of being released these forums are lighting up with EVERYTHING they missed. How long has Verizon users of the Galaxy S been waiting for an update? If that phone even gets it released how much are you willing to bet that they will have missed PLENTY of things. There has to be a balance of critical fixes and waiting 8 effing months for an update!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] silver03wrx:
Lol ok so on xda's page theres this advertisement galaxy nexus pure google lol see attached picture.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
It's still true. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] axtn95:
Im happy im getting HSPA+

Normal battery cover and no two crap apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tidbits:
Everyone complaining about it... On a developers site who root and toot... It's coming relax. As long as you can unlock the bootloader especially the people here... You WILL get your updates when Google releases them one way or another.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tidbits:
All Galaxy S devices went 6+ months before they were updated. It wasn't a carrier thing more so a manufacturer thing. With that many bugs you are crying about it is no surprise those devices took forever... Kinda reminds me of what they did with the behold 2. Said 2.0 is coming and dropped 1.6 on everyone and then never looked back and expected everyone to buy the Galaxy S devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] onthecouchagain:
I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DirgeExtinction:
No noes!11!! Two Verizon apps, say it ain't so!?

On a serious note, don't get all overdramatic because of two apps. I personally use the MyVerizon app to check my account. I don't care for the backup app.

Seriously, why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over this? Especially on a site that's about rooting phones and tailoring them to your preferences?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
First of all, not everyone who comes to this site comes here because they root their phones and install custom ROMs. Some people come here because it is an invaluable source of information

Secondly, if you had read the thread you would see the main argument against it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I bet you think SOPA and protect IP aren't a big deal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
Bump f0r update on page 1
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TiltedAz:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/2...y-nexus-as-a-phone-with-no-oem-customization/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
Yea, been there. No OEM customization doesn't mean no Carrier Customization. OEM Customization means tweaks from Samsung such as TouchWiz.

And the 2 apps being on there HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPS BEING ON THERE. The problem is the extra step of updates leaving Google and landing directly on phones, they leave Google, arrive at Verizon, it gets lost, found, lost, tweaked, lost, forgotten about, remembered, lost, found, and pushed out to phones.

This is the dilemma. Whether or not the 2 Verizon apps mean the Nexus Updates will be delayed or not compared to the GSM version...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
thats because verizon doesnt consider my verizon and the other bloat.. fail on there part
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RaptorMD:
Based on how Verizon is marketing the Gnex as "be the first to get updates" http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/17/galaxy-nexus-posters-arrive-at-verizon-indirect-dealers/ I don't see so much gloom and doom.

Besides once CM9.x comes along I will likely be running that since I want the absolute true updates.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
So...this guy claims that "The name will be Nexus Prime." Absurd.

He also claims that "I've heard there are authentication issues and folks wouldn't have access to Verizon areas of the Android Market, including VCast. This means software people paid for won't be available, and that's not making anyone happy."

"I've heard", lol. I wouldn't take this too seriously.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
Best Buy confirm that the Verizon version is called Galaxy Nexus not Nexus Prime.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BiGMERF:
the only one i believe is true is the bloatware issue
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jpasint:
LMAO!

Joe
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
Considering most people are on a tiered data plan, I wouldn't call it bloat. Now if My Verizon synced with the onboard data management of ICS that would be something...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Does this look wrong to anybody else? If the Verizon apps are not removable, shouldn't the "App" size be 0? So why is this showing 0.89MB for the app size?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
It's not removable, so it's on the phone, and taking up space. the only way for it's size to be zero is if it wasnt on the phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
You obviously don't own an Android phone...

Apps installed in the /system partition are listed as having a size of 0 in the Android app manager.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] fdm1:
Ive had a G1 since day one and a N1 since day one...all apps have a size of data. I have been on CM mods since CM3 though, so maybe that's a stock thing your talking about and I don't remember. However, I just checked system apps and they too have a size higher than 0.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Yeah on CM it's different. Maybe on stock rooted phones too. The idea is that unless you are rooted, you can't touch apps on /system so their size is irrelevant, so the Android app manager only lists how much space they take up in /data, and disregard how much the apk takes up in /system.

Which is why it's so strange that this screenshot shows a non-zero size for the app itself.

---------- Post added at 10:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:38 PM ----------

Can anyone with a non-rooted Galaxy Nexus right now check to see if the pre-installed apps have an "App" size (not total size) of 0? Maybe they changed this in ICS...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tidbits:
There you go.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
No. It's a NEXUS phone. No of that S€&¥ is supposed to be anywhere near it. Useful or no.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Zepius:
tin foil hat on? check

complaining about things that you dont understand fully? check

complete nerd rage over small things? check
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] oscillik:
you completely miss the point. By proxy of the Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus having Verizon branded apps, it means that any Android updates will have to go through Verizon before being pushed down to handsets.

And thus, making the main point of Nexus phones completely redundant.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
I think there is a misunderstanding of what the Nexus line actually is versus what some of you guys want. Some of you really want a SGS2 with ICS and a HQ screen. Things like FM, MKV, and Verizon apps built in ready to go OOTB. That's cool. I can dig it.

That's not a NEXUS phone. GTFO!

I apologize to the OP. I was skeptical at first, now I'm disappointed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kristovaher:
Sorry mate but Android has a really good native data monitoring already there by default as well as backups for not just your contacts but things like applications and more.

What Verizon is adding is, simply, bloatware.