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[LG Optimus 2x] wjr002:
The incentive is customer satisfaction which can equate to loyalty.
[LG Optimus 2x] petr.klos:
That is qualitative property... hard to sell to most of "managerial class".
[LG Optimus 2x] Dimitris CH:
I would agree (I still agree that unbrickability is a very important factor) but apparently the 4X comes with a locked bootloader.

So I won't be considering it.

Oh yes, because we all agree that all managers are stupid and got their positions without deserving them, right?

This world is full of successful companies.

They wouldn't be successful if their management was not good at managing them.

If LG's management is utterly incompetent, that's their problem. And they are paying for it with the shrinking market share! :cowboy:
[LG Optimus 2x] Sörnäinen:
You are funny. :) I can do most of my daily tasks with my old Nokia. What does that tell?

It's a zero-argument for companies to be sloppy with updates. ICS offers a lot of additional usability. It also offers a better design, which I would really like, especially for the G-Apps.

Besides that GB still has loads of bugs on LG phones that make the phone hit BSODs or charging problems. There's lots of room for improvement.

Yes, Gingerbread does the job, but LG still sucks for not updating their devices and will not be considered ever again by me when it comes to smartphones.
[LG Optimus 2x] xp99:
I don't know what Gingerbread rom you're using, but the one I'm using does not have charging problems or BSOD's. I remind you that BSOD's are a windows crash, not an android crash. I'm using the latest cyanogenmod 7.2 release for the g2x and it works great for me.

Yes I too would like ICS/Jelly Bean, but not at the expense of getting a buggy product.

Now for those who are looking, can you recommend an android phone that has the hardware open sourced completely? I can't go with nvidia on this one, so is there any android phone out there where the GPU is open sourced? It be nice to know.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
OMAP, I think
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
In fact it's an SoD (Sleep of Death)... but I guess some people still call it BSoD by force of habit.
[LG Optimus 2x] Rusty!:
Black Screen of Death is pretty accurate.
[LG Optimus 2x] kaspar737:
Yup, the reason why they use OMAP in Galaxy Nexus is because it is open source
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
Ah, then they're using Nvidia Tegra3 because of it's openness in the Nexus 7?

That's nonsense.

Google doesn't have to (and does not for that matter) care about the openness of the SoC vendors.
[LG Optimus 2x] hd2000:
Still patiently waiting, when Samsung officially update their tergra 2 phone first then i will be upset.
[LG Optimus 2x] Sörnäinen:
Well, since most manufacturers seem to be sloppy like hell with updates, I for my part decided to go with the Xiaomi Mi2. It means waiting again, probably quite long, so I use GB on the O2x. As I said: It works, but it still sucks.

Once the Mi2 is there, updates are not an issue, and the phone is so open you can even put Windows Phone on it.

Oh, and congratulations ... you either have a very rare case of bug free phone, or you just don't use it that much. :)
[LG Optimus 2x] sTeppzor-:
Well.. the waiting is over for me. S3 on the way
[LG Optimus 2x] FatherJony:
I don't think that's entirely true. Google does favor OSS not because of some ideological reasons, but mainly because OSS can lead to better support and faster development. The reason the Nexus 7 got a Tegra 3 chipset is that there where no viable alternatives at the time. OMAP implementations were outdated, Krait for tablets hadn't been released yet and even if ASUS could licence Exynos from Samsung the cost of the final product wouldn't be competitive.
[LG Optimus 2x] xilw3r:
actually quite many o2x phones are "bug free", only the portion of people with "bad cases" are screaming very loudly, and that makes it seem that o2x completely sucks. which, mind you, is far from truth.

so all in all we all can thank the screaming portion of people for bashing o2x's rep and potentially reducing the amount of devs in this forum :)
[LG Optimus 2x] kaspar737:
They had no other choice, it had to be quad core and nVidia was the only one. For the Galaxy Nexus they did have a choice and picked the OMAP for its openness, they have said that before

E: SkiesOfAzel was faster...
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
What you're missing here is that Google and the vendors do get the reference source code from Nvidia etc. - the only real difference is that the end users (and devs) don't get it. And keep in mind that it doesn't really matter, everything else (AOSP + kernel) is open sourced, if the rest is implemented well it's not too important that you can't fully address and use the hardware. Sure it would be better, but as long as Google provides you with updates for the Nexus devices you don't really have to mind. (We know what happens when LG is responsible for that).

I know, the more devs have access to all sources the more people could work on it, but this isn't a really huge factor. Google can easily deal with this on their own without the help from external devs (again: they do have all the source code they need!).

Of course Google does like OSS - but only as long as it suits their business. The apache licence, which gives the vendors the rights to keep pretty much everything (besides the kernel of course - which you can circumvent with a locked bootloader) closed source, is one of the reasons for Androids success. That wouldn't be possible with the GPL v3 licence for example - and vendors want to keep their creations closed source usually (like HTC Sense as a well known example). Google does this as well for their Google Apps.
[LG Optimus 2x] George Jetson:
We should do any boycott or protest lg on web.But this shouldn't happen with one or two person we should move together with 2x,black,3d section.

We just want an answer "when we get ics exactly time?" this is not difficult question.

WE WANT OUR ICS!! THAT'S IT!
[LG Optimus 2x] kaspar737:
Basically, when it is a Nexus device, then you do not have to worry about what chipset it has, you will get your updates :)
[LG Optimus 2x] FatherJony:
I agree that Google is a company and their primary concerns are to make profit and control the market.

As for the "reference code", it's not a cure all, as most of the times it's incomplete nad/or buggy. Api breakage is also another factor with this kind of model, like what happened with our device and the ics drivers. Every vendor that used a Tegra 2 chipset in their phones had to wait for "new" reference code from NVIDIA in order to write ICS compatible drivers.

As for the Apache licence, sure it helped with Android adoption, Stalman went a little too far with v3 of the GPL, but any GPL version would not be kindly received i think. Still, even with GPL developers can and do use separate binary modules in order to protect their IP, like NVIDIA does with their driver blobs. And while i can understand why a software company would like to keep their source code to themselves when this doesn't create problems for the consumer, i don't feel the same way about h/w vendors. When i buy h/w i want to be able to use it in any way i want, NVIDIA shouldn't be able to force Xorg instead of Wayland on me, or GB instead of ICS, it's just wasted value and a bad experience for consumers.
[LG Optimus 2x] Sörnäinen:
How do you know that?
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
Well I partly agree. But our delayed update isn't Nvidias fault - it's not like LG was eager to start developing and Nvidia just didn't provide the source code. Whoever now diggs out the Samsung Galaxy R as an example should keep in mind that there are two ZTE phones out who are using our Tegra2 variant as well - and both run ICS. That argument just isn't working. Nvidia designed the hardware - it's not their biggest challenge to provide some kind of software api to use it (even if they are lazy and tend to work sloppy on their sources).

And speaking about GPLv3 - I'm glad Stalman did what he did. It's the only licence you can use to avoid tivoization (wiki). So where did he go too far? - he tried to protect the meaning of free software - to actually "use" it.

Sure, Linus doesn't want to see Linux with v3, but that doesn't mean that the licence wasn't needed or has gone too far. If you want to leave that door open for vendors you just choose v2.

If you understand the position of the software companies you should understand Nvidia as well. The fact that I don't like it doesn't mean that I don't understand it. Fully opening might give competitors more insight into their technology - and no question about that, Nvidia does belong to the best in the hardware field. I do fully agree with you on the source code question - I prefer to be able to use the hardware I paid for the way I want to have it. Nvidia Optimus on linux is a good example here (shame on you Nvidia!). But no one should complain afterwards - you know that your system has Nvidia inside (sorry for the bad Intel joke). They won't change their policy in short term, they made this pretty clear in their response to Linus.

Oh and thanks for the interesting discussion! I enjoy that, finally something which is worth the xda-

developers

forum :)
[LG Optimus 2x] zomer86:
Why do these LG Devs think that they will have to redo all the skinning, just give us the f-ing vanilla Android, nobody cares about the ****ty LG skin. JUST RELEASE THE GODDDAMN DRIVERS!
[LG Optimus 2x] FatherJony:
I am glad you find this discussion interesting :). Anyway, since i am kind o sick, my posts aren't very thorough as to what exactly i am trying to say, so i will try to be more precise.

About the Tegra 2 drivers, sure LG is mainly at fault here, but an open source model would allow not only independent developers, but also vendors to share code, patches etc. This would speed things up tremendously. This has happened with the OMAP reference releases as well, and the code released used to be buggy and incomplete, but things have changed for the better.

About the GPL v3, it's not that i personally don't like it, on the contrary i always use it when i can because unlike Linus, i don't like OSS just for the efficiency of the model, i truly believe that all information should be free. What i was trying to say is that GPL was an already established license for many products on the market, and some changes in v3 could affect their adoption. I am not claiming that those changes shouldn't be there, i am just stating the consequences, mainly as an example as to why Google would avoid having anything to do with it.

I have to admit that i dislike the Apache solution for similar reasons i dislike the BSD license. That's why i was rooting for Maemo/Meego, but the GPL was one of the reasons that carriers and vendors didn't like it. I will still get a N9 though, it's a dream come true for me (even if a short one ;)).

Now about HW vendor policies. Sure, they can try and protect their ip, that's fine as long as it doesn't screw the consumer. Usually this doesn't happen very often with software applications but with drivers it's almost a certainty. Even if the hardware is great (and the Tegra platforms are anything but) you just get less value for your money. And i understand wanting to keep their competitive advantages, or wanting to avoid rewriting their drivers to avoid patent infringements, but if AMD or Intel can do it and still maintain their competitive advantages, so can anybody else. In the end it all comes down to consumer awareness, as long as we keep buying half working products, they will happily keep selling them to us.
[LG Optimus 2x] msedek:
i wouldnt get my hopes up for the near future 3/4 months... if you wanna know how bad its LG on development department look at the NOT YET released optimus VU.. it will come to the streets on GB.. i mean wtf?

guys i dont think this its going farther ...at least not for now

Tapatalking on my N7000
[LG Optimus 2x] lopiop:
optimus g launched in south korea, and no announcement of any updates

http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_g_launches_in_south_korea_pricing_is_still_unknown-news-4816.php
[LG Optimus 2x] wucinac:
This is wery intresting. Update will come in 3Q 2014:laugh:
[LG Optimus 2x] xp99:
You are so angry. You look like a spoiled brat with that tantrum of yours just now.
[LG Optimus 2x] bakedpatato:
I have an N900. I will be totally honest in saying that Nokia gave 2 dingleberries about the platform and the midlife switch to Qt,while well intentioned did nothing to make the platform more popular nor did anyone care to port anything(although playing supertux via chroot is cool). Overall Maemo is just another coulda-shoulda become a contender platforms that had the unfortunate luck of being saddled with Nokia;)

And I can say that nvidia treats Tegra like GeForce/Tesla in that they like keeping the source close to the chest...I hear that they code Tegra drivers like GeForce drivers(dude,seriously, who comes up with something like nvrm_daemon?if i had done anything like that in my kernel class I took back in the day I would've failed the class!)in that there are a lot of janky hacks to get stuff working because marketing said they had to be first out of the gate with n+1 cores:rolleyes:!

Crappy code doesn't excuse nvidia though...and it's not like Mali is any faster ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] 33696933:
Updated to V30C_00
[LG Optimus 2x] OptimusXX:
Source Link?????
[LG Optimus 2x] 33696933:
from the leaker website

"Model [1]: LGSU660

ROM Version [1]: V30C_00

Download [1]: csmg.lgmobile.com:9002/swdata/RNDTESTSW/LGSU660/SKT/FU23MBN77I/V30C_00/V30C_00.kdz

Size [1]: 591027609 bytes (= 563.64785099 MB)

Upload Date [1]: 2012-09-18 15:33:06.0 (Korean time)"
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
OMG 660 is in third phase and we are ...well...not so far:))

LG PRADA 3 got ICS in Czech republic recently and we are...well...not even close:))

Odesláno z mého LG-P990 pomocí Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 2x] OptimusXX:
Hmm...30MB bump in size to V30B....
[LG Optimus 2x] lopiop:
leave lg do to their thing
[LG Optimus 2x] kaspar737:
What is their thing? Delaying updates?
[LG Optimus 2x] Ferrum Master:
I have both N900 and N9. I still use my N900 as torrent machine native java arm support rocks. Very energy efficient and even wifi is borrowed from neighbours to shut my router off :D.

The best way to describe those phones - stillborns.

The bad about N9. Nokia cheapstakes could put better omap in N9. It is slow without oc and other tweaks it lags as hell. The ui itself eats around 300MB ram.

The good - damn, I got jellybean on it. The community is very strong, nemo is hope also. Good amoled screen and design. Camera video mode is good, very splendid noise cancelling and sound compressor in loud environments like concerts. And fast 64GB to carry around, a great asset.

But LG? God where are you hurrying? Chill down. There are plenty of cheap and funny phones around to learn from.
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
They're working steadily on SU660 ROM's and we have all the reasons to believe our O2X is next, so that's better than not getting it, right?

And yeah, you can say, like everyone else, that all the other smartphones already have JB blah blah blah... so what? We'll get it too with cyanogenmod, all we need are the HWA drivers and after that we're home free :)

We've waited for so long... I agree it's frustrating but now I do believe we're only a few weeks away... after they're finished with SU660 it should be rather quick for them to port it to O2X, no?
[LG Optimus 2x] lopiop:
oh well he beat me to it, couldnt say it better myself ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] Steff-von-L:
Did anyone already flash the V30C on a SU660?

Are there any major changes? Maybe an unlocked bootloader? :)
[LG Optimus 2x] OptimusXX:
Yes true we are into few weeks away to 2013...by 2013 we will have ICS on Optimus 2x

---------- Post added at 09:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 AM ----------

OMG...how long they will work on RND stuff...Some how we should help that SINGLE developer who does not know how to code on APK to work on ICS upgrade... I am Damn sure ICS will come only by year end...but which year end...only GOD knows neither LG or LG Developer don't have answer :confused: :confused: :confused:
[LG Optimus 2x] abczhou:
i have lost the last patience for LG ice upgrade, with no doubt, it is definitely my last phone from LG .
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
These look like nihgtlies ... but dont be pesimistic...they are working and change the kernel to p990 will be question of hours for guys in LG:)))

Odesláno z mého LG-P990 pomocí Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 2x] solrakk6:
where you saw it? or is it a joke? :cyclops:
[LG Optimus 2x] OptimusXX:
Sure...it may be Joke or dream
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
I was misunderstood I guess. I didn't want to say that it will take hours from now but hours from SU660 testing over to port the kernel...userspace will be pretty much same...

Sorry for that...

Odesláno z mého LG-P990 pomocí Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 2x] Notarzt23:
As if anyone really believed that lg would have release ics in the next 12 days...

Gesendet von meinem Optimus 2X mit Tapatalk
[LG Optimus 2x] OptimusXX:
They wont even release for SU660 where they are looks like working...
[LG Optimus 2x] Sörnäinen:
There we go. :) A while ago you pretended to be the voice of reason. :)

Now we see who really is angry. I just don't get YOUR anger. People rightfully complaining about real issues makes you annoyed? What's your problem?
[LG Optimus 2x] goodmamba:
or else

They better be releasing ICS until end of September or else...

1. Complaint to the Customer Protection Agency for false advertising.

2. Return of the product for the misleading in the purchase process by false advertising.

3. Public LG products boicot.
[LG Optimus 2x] Thegn:
These MIUI ICS build for O2X are NOT real and full ICS, it is Gingerbread with added and modified ICS Framework.
[LG Optimus 2x] FoliathR:
What do you mean by no network coverage? Could you go into more details?

Personal conspiracy theory: It is GB, but they purposely broke something to let others think that it's hard to get the full ICS working? :p

Edit: Regarding the GalnetMIUI, I read a thread when it was released, that nobody could find proof that it's more than just a ROM with an edited build.prop? It was released too quickly to be true. What is the status of that supposedly ICS ROM now?
[LG Optimus 2x] unfugor:
like with galent miui it maybe has problems when you are not using the right bb/ril, anyways its not a real ics because as somebody already stated it still has the gb kernel and only the ics framework...
[LG Optimus 2x] RohanAJoshi:
Thanx guys for solving my doubt.
[LG Optimus 2x] Thegn:
I've tested the latest Galnet O2X ROM (Stable 2.2.1), just released a couple of days ago. I could not get any network coverage on my phone. I could not scan operator network. I tried to add APN:s manually, but it would not save them. I used 725 baseband with 725 RIL.

Then I tried the latest official MIUI, which worked perfectly. So clearly, the Galnet 2.2.1 is buggy.
[LG Optimus 2x] liuhuiweida:
give me the ROM! thank you !315626220@qq.com
[LG Optimus 2x] Thegn:
Just download it from the official MIUI site. Again, these are GINGERBREAD ROMS, not ICS... Please keep this thread clean for ICS.
[LG Optimus 2x] yoavtabakman:
Any news about FM radio?

or it's like the cam thats needs nvidia source to run?
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
Guess the FM will be also matter of drivers. Cyanogenmod 7 (GB) had no radio till the one of the last nightlies (after official GB release from LG), so this will be most likely the same issue...
[LG Optimus 2x] darka9:
Also i am interested if the face unlock is working?
[LG Optimus 2x] sibbor:
The camera/-s doesn't work, so no.
[LG Optimus 2x] volaxis:
This will really shove it in LG's face's if we can get an ICS rom months before their 'professional' staff can put one out. Do they even have a dev team or just a room full of monkeys they pay with peanuts?
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
Don't say hop before you jump!!! :) I believe these guys here, they made unbelivable progress in last 2-3 days, but nothing has been released yet. Maybe they will find something, what will stop the progress again (I DO BELIEVE THEY WON'T :-))

And please read the posts and follow the google document to avoid stupid questions (NON WORKING CAMERA => PHONE WON'T BE ABLE RECOGNIZE YOUR FACE :-))

Best

J.
[LG Optimus 2x] IRASadPanda:
On the spread sheet it says "Camera (never ask for a fix)" and for all of the spaces it says No for working.
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
Yes, they say don't ask for fix, becouse it's almost impossible to fix it without nVidia or LG drivers. And the no in cells means, no it's not working.

I hope I am clear enough to you :)
[LG Optimus 2x] oleg1981:
wow! only 2days and such a progress. great job guys! LG needs to pay you money thay are paying to there dev team!
[LG Optimus 2x] ranrick:
"Camera does not work" means that back and front camera generally dont work or does it mean that with normal google apps it does not work but with 3rd party apps it works?
[LG Optimus 2x] hisham027:
It means both cams doesnt work.

---------- Post added at 07:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:11 PM ----------

A member from the G2X thread is claiming that he got the camera working, I am not sure if he is telling the truth. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22254598&postcount=167
[LG Optimus 2x] nilujeperchu:
The answer is just few posts ago, please, consider reading befor posting.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=22260110&postcount=495

Edit : ---(self censorship)--- (I'll wait to have friends here before considering to loose them)
[LG Optimus 2x] crazy_dj:
:D nice let's hope it's true

Edit: I already thought that he was just a troll.. Sorry for my stupidness :D
[LG Optimus 2x] aMpeX:
and just like all the attempts (and there were many) made before, the few hundred ppl actually commiting to it won't succeed in making LG give a flying f***

They will make tons of revenue with their Optimus G/4X and by the time the successors to those phones come to market, everyone but a few will have forgotten about the 2X
[LG Optimus 2x] jabooka:
Sad but true. So...it's waiting game all over again :facepalm:
[LG Optimus 2x] silentmelodies:
Are you seriously really going to do all that? If you are, I beg you please do so when september ends.

No, really, there wasn't any real effort. All there was was angry sounding Facebook/Twitter posts and emails to customer services. That to be honest, anyone can do. Everyone saying things in the similar line as "let's terror them" or "let's sue them", or even "let's bomb their HQ" obviously ended up doing nothing serious.

Therefore I'm begging all of you, if you say you're going do something as serious as doing legal actions or anything, please don't just be sitting comfortably in front of your laptop and be nothing but a keyboard warrior, because that's not going to change anything.

I for one know I'm not going do anything, so I'll simply shut up and wait.
[LG Optimus 2x] goodmamba:
I have already taken the first step in an official request for the release date of ICS to LG Romania.

This is a must according to our law. LG has yet to officially respond. It has already verbally responded but not oficiall yet.

At the end of September if there's no sign of ICS I will surely take all the actions mentioned above.
[LG Optimus 2x] solrakk6:
you think if some guys bought the phone used can they take this action?!
[LG Optimus 2x] speedyranger:
I feel sorry for you, if you belive... I not.

in Rromania?

where are all corrupt ... from the first to last?

Not to say that is not true ... I'm Romanian and live in Italy...:p