yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[LG Optimus 2x] Wimz3n:
This is nice... The waiting for our beloved developers is pleasant indeed. This way we know there I'd no BS in the game.

When LG held the sources back it was just BS from them.

Now I lean back, carefully watching, for a version of CM10 to enter my world.

The most important we all contribute with is to let the devs do their stuff and NOT try to contact them during this first step. Especially let RC do his magic.

Please?

I want this so bad I can taste it... mmm... Jelly Bean :D
[LG Optimus 2x] tr@p:
It's so sad situation... this thread is becoming useless. I guess I'll be coming here every day just for the nostalgia. Sad day for P990 users.
[LG Optimus 2x] csfrank271:
Never forget <3

We wil always return, just for the memories

Though, my F5 seems awfully happy now ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] Ximo F. Verde:
JURASSIC PARK!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjBhh_D7ga0&t=0m41s
[LG Optimus 2x] jura55:
I think everyone of us should read this thread from beginning again
[LG Optimus 2x] ecki2k:
That´s... it can´t be true. I came here like every freaking morning since ages and now, just so, it has happened?

omg. *sniff* I´d like to thank my parents and my beloved family for neverending support,thank you, without you this all wouldn´t have been possible.Also, the producers of this wonderful sources and all of you. Thank you all.*leaves the stage, holding a usb stick in trembling hands*
[LG Optimus 2x] Assassin44:
Congratulations everyone!!! Sources are Out!!! :D
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
Soo guys I heard the Samsung Galaxy R got a leak. It has the same Tegra2 inside - do you think we can use the libs to get cm10 on the 2x? :cyclops:

Gosh I miss it already :D
[LG Optimus 2x] qudrat:
the new page for my F5 key http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=p990&type=

:) cant wait

BTW. when cm10 is out don't forget to consider a donation to: CM-Team/acree
[LG Optimus 2x] elganso:
Why F5 when you can make the Internet work for you? Try https://www.followthatpage.com/

I got a mail from them when the SU660 sources were released hours ago, but it was already posted here when I looked :)
[LG Optimus 2x] aragorn7:
Woah, I seriously did not know that. Looks like it was ME who was under the misunderstanding!! Sorry about that.

Nice to meet you Mr Kang. :D Your work is awesome, and so is your name.
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
im here since august post page 200+ (now its nearly reach a 1000) :cyclops:

and gosh .. this thread is really entertaining..

like riding a rollercoaster ..

we have so much up and down ..

wth :D .. you make me addicted to something new
[LG Optimus 2x] jabooka:
Awwww :( Already missing those good old days :D

The damn sources are out...wow...as soon as I checked this topic this mourning and saw 140 new posts, I know it has arrived, as usually overnight it used to be maybe 10.

Now...waiting mode : ON

But waiting for CM nightlies is like waiting for nice meal in fine restaurant, so...just take a sip of your favorite beverage and enjoy...and give some thought about out new waiting/whining topic :beer:

Sent from O2x Hybridized by Gueste2X_v3.8
[LG Optimus 2x] Imperticus:
Wow can't believe sources are out. Perfect graduation present (which was yesterday) :D
[LG Optimus 2x] qudrat:
Congratulations

http://youtu.be/us3dQ0nnlHY
[LG Optimus 2x] Ximo F. Verde:
congratulations dude :)
[LG Optimus 2x] deejaycarras:
I'm so happyyy, like xmas eve!!

Some news from RC and his CM10???

Enviado con mi nokia 5110
[LG Optimus 2x] mez90:
Skeptical at first when i read the first post in the catch up of the many pages. .

Long wait over.

Short wait begins.

All the best to RC and others who'll make our phones great again.

As others have said lets leave RC alone until he's ready to post.

Also! WhoopWhooo!!! Can't wait :)
[LG Optimus 2x] chackodepacko:
Just a question: can we hope that everything (for example camera) will function with this CM10 properly? Because I dont know the reason why in for example I guess CM9 the camera did not function.
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
Ya everything including everything with everything will work like everything:))
[LG Optimus 2x] Pascalwb:
supeeeeer, finally ,

wasn't it still wednesday somewhere? :D

First time LG keep promis.

Now its all about RC, big thanks to him.
[LG Optimus 2x] markwijsman:
Ofcourse you may hope so, you may also hope for world peace and for santa to bring you nice presents :D

Those things will probably work as the new kernel is tweaked and added to the rom because we now have hardware acceleration :)
[LG Optimus 2x] elefas:
Great news! Lets wait patiently for some more time until CM10 makes it's appearance!
[LG Optimus 2x] gagan97:
My first ever post...

Feel like crying.. i brought LG because it has lotss great feature at very good prize but with the delay in updates i started feeling like i made a wrong decision but today is not that its the day i feel so happy ..

I use to watch this thread daily and use to think how fool these people are that they expect LG to be any good but now its the time , time to celebrate and time for me to not jst passively watch this forum rather take part .. as happy days here ...

Feels like crying...
[LG Optimus 2x] Imperticus:
I wish he releases his build now, and then get to work with bug fixes. This would calm our nerves a lot, and we would have something to finally enjoy after a year of waiting.
[LG Optimus 2x] PaKii94:
this thread and the releasing of the source codes reminded me of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWOyfLBYtuU
[LG Optimus 2x] bliizzz:
Some mails i missed yesterday night

And today i rejoice :D:D:D ftw cm
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
So will the guys that sent e-mails to LG asking when the sources would be out... I mean... demanding for the sources to be released, sometimes using an aggressive tone... the guys that got a reply saying they were trying to release the code before next Friday (tomorrow)... will you be sending an e-mail saying thanks for keeping the promise?

Think of the guys that replied to your e-mails... I bet it will feel good to receive some appreciation for a change :) And it's not their fault anyways that LG's dev department is incompetent or underfunded...
[LG Optimus 2x] bliizzz:
I already sent it
[LG Optimus 2x] aMpeX:
came to this thread today, saw that there are 10+ new pages => yay sources are out ^^
[LG Optimus 2x] Lukkus:
I will totally miss this thread was like a therapy for broken p990 user.

But after all when we get CM who still need that? :)
[LG Optimus 2x] bliizzz:
Ok but when is ics for p990 releasing i know its a silly question but still we have the right to get some official taste:)
[LG Optimus 2x] Wimz3n:
I'm going to need that in the future.

Lets hope it won't take long :D
[LG Optimus 2x] zibbedy:
Working Stock Rom

Everyone is talking about CM10. But most important for me is: Will there be a working Stock Rom with Google Sync etc.? I just want to have a p990 with a smooth ICS and the LG UI 3.0! This UI (especially the amazing lockscreen) is the most beautiful UI ive ever seen. Please tell me someone is working on this. :confused:
[LG Optimus 2x] goodmamba:
Now that the sources are out my happiness is mixed with sadness.

We had such a nice place here, together with the same aspirations, trolling like crazy, calling LG names (deserved), wishing the same thing and jumping on any hint of hope.

Hard times gather people together (I know that from my own experience of 15 years in a communist country) and the future is bright but it lacks the soul bound.

Hope we'll not lose this bound.
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
seeing the leak for P990 that we already got..

i think there is still a small chance that we will get official ics for p990

but i dont care about that, because CM have better memmory management .. and so on

LG UI 3.0 ..

no problem..

we get LG UI 3.0 from markkk

and think there is no problem getting us LG UI 3.0 for CM10

just relax ... android is a lot of fun .. dont get to much frustrated
[LG Optimus 2x] solrakk6:
sorry for ignorance

can i flash a stable on a nighlty previously installed???
[LG Optimus 2x] niennumb:
where do I have to look at, to see if any new CM rom is released ?
[LG Optimus 2x] bliizzz:
In the dev section
[LG Optimus 2x] kqe:
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=p990
[LG Optimus 2x] niennumb:
thank you !
[LG Optimus 2x] solrakk6:
can i install a stable on it if i'v a nighlty previously installed???
[LG Optimus 2x] the_ghost__NL:
That depends on what version you're running now and where you want to flash to
[LG Optimus 2x] Wimz3n:
Useless post. Allready answered to. Delete button missing :D
[LG Optimus 2x] zibbedy:
your words in gods ear...
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
QFT
[LG Optimus 2x] natalya:
Any step-to-step guide how to get the final SU660 V30C working on the P990? Currently running a Custom ROM, so I need to use NVFlash etc. but I don't know where to start. I have the source codes and the V30C downloaded, but what next? Please help :D

Thanks a million in advance!
[LG Optimus 2x] barmyman:
what did you perform to make camera work, fellows? i can't enable camera... when i tap an icon it turn only black screen and nothing...
[LG Optimus 2x] blakki73:
Is there a way to use internal memory as default? It is the best Rom for o2x ever tried, but my ext SD is too slow to play Order and Chaos. Whish you can help me.

Thank you RC!

Inviato dal mio Optimus 2X usando Tapatalk
[LG Optimus 2x] icyeye:
rebooting phoe fixed mine camera stucking... maybe it will help u 2
[LG Optimus 2x] blakki73:
Try to reboot.

Inviato dal mio Optimus 2X usando Tapatalk
[LG Optimus 2x] barmyman:
tried...many many many times...

Update: magically, after you told me to reboot, i told to myself - "ok, lets reboot for fun" - and camera started to work after reboot! Your words are magic guys!)
[LG Optimus 2x] eraldo:
.....i think you are exagerating that quite a bit...best rom you have used.... are you high?

This is an alpha build so a lot of stuff doesn't even work and has huge battery drain if this is the best rom you have ever used then this is the only rom you have ever used. It might well be the best ICS rom but then it is the only ICS rom for the o2x right now.
[LG Optimus 2x] crazy_dj:
https://plus.google.com/115049428938715274412/posts/ATGZo3fPvwS
[LG Optimus 2x] NobleT:
There is a new update for CM9.

RC:

Version: 4830b48d1e594bd80d9f4c79996b41be
[LG Optimus 2x] oleg1981:
my camera is working perfectly. starts much faster than on CM7. everething is working. front and back camera. gps did not tested yet. there is some bugs with network. sometimes ril is hanging up with the massage force to close ril or wait or cancel.
[LG Optimus 2x] shpapy:
bedankt not working in windows due to incompatible lg driver

Wifi is fine
[LG Optimus 2x] Dimitris CH:
Do you also flash a gapps zip with this CM9 ROM or it's impossible to have it with Google Apps for the moment?
[LG Optimus 2x] ranrick:
http://goo-inside.me/gapps/

there you go, flash the latest ICS Gpps from yesterday.
[LG Optimus 2x] crazy_dj:
no you can flash the CM9 Gapps right after you flashed the rom

EDIT: dang :D
[LG Optimus 2x] Dimitris CH:
Thank you both.

The question actually was if this early build can already be combined with Google Apps. I know you flash the gapps zip after flasing the ROM.

But the replies covered it. :)
[LG Optimus 2x] shpapy:
Thanks just downloading super slow but will worth it:-)

Update: someone asked for benchmarks so quadrant released new version for ics here is the benchmark of my device which is low because of 20 apps running
[LG Optimus 2x] Laeborg:
I'll try flashing in a moment - waiting for the DL to finish :D
[LG Optimus 2x] YouBou1992:
Well nothing happens after 50%.. just normal for me.. i've used WiFi and browsed a bit.. also sent some messages and played some games :)
[LG Optimus 2x] Dimitris CH:
Works like a charm here.

Great job guys, keep it up.
[LG Optimus 2x] ranrick:
I have a problem. When taking a picture, the screen freezes after shot and the image wont be saved. Dont know how to solve this. I'm on KANG1.
[LG Optimus 2x] panospc:
Edit: Here's the fix from RC http://kan.gd/1g8u
[LG Optimus 2x] Zorkman:
I did send a thank you e-mail to opensource-mc@lge.com

I find two weeks acceptable and they kept their promise.
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
dont know why :cyclops: but i really love people like you :D

im a noob but i can work my way out .. first thing you need to do is straighten your head and then go to the android development thread ..

and search for [DEV ROM]Debug version ICS for P990 leak + Fixed Rebuilds[10/10/12]

nothing ?

then go here :p

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1926700

use SEARCH before asking .. there are many people like you asking this same kind of question over and over again
[LG Optimus 2x] sparazza:
The most effective method to solve all your problem is this ;)

youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

Cheers

Sparazza
[LG Optimus 2x] natalya:
Hehe, really appreciate your answer, but I have seen that thread plenty of times and installing the leaked ICS seems to be a piece of cake. But my question is how I can install the official ICS for the SU660 on the P990 since the source codes are out and since someone already made a kernel update for P990... That leaked version is around 6 months old, I'd like to test out the new stuff :D
[LG Optimus 2x] Ska1i:
Another release on a Thursday :eek: and the next release is surely also on a Thursday (CM10, ICS for P990?) Who knows... :D
[LG Optimus 2x] tophelecool:
I wonder if having a nightly to play with over the weekend is being over optimistic....?!
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
If you look at cyanogenmod's page all nightlies are uploaded on sundays... I'm not sure an exception will be done for this release...
[LG Optimus 2x] Revan1988:
Oh my god!!!! wonderfull!!!! YES!
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
maybe you are not reading all of this stuff long enough "like i do" :cyclops: ;)

kostja_v rebuild are based on V30C and V28A

but , now im using harsh V28A and remove all of LG crapware *first its laggy, but then i remove the apps that i find unecessary

and flash the kernel that have been compiled for P990 from V30C SU660 source by marsgod (harsh create the update.zip)

its running good , nothing pissed me off so far
[LG Optimus 2x] tophelecool:
ok.. Sunday then :)
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
Look at here: http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?type=nightly&device=p970. Nightlies are made everyday :)
[LG Optimus 2x] tophelecool:
I know the link.. but thanks. I'm basically asking the community how likely you guys think it is that we'll get a release over this weekend.
[LG Optimus 2x] CasperHN:
Pics!

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115049428938715274412/posts
[LG Optimus 2x] shajumohamed:
Hi Guys,

Now that the sources are here and RC already had a working build before, how soon do you guys think we can expect cm10 ? The question is for guys who have experience doing such things....
[LG Optimus 2x] slebit:
I was just about to post that link! Its amazing!
[LG Optimus 2x] ardiade:
it seem i must to cancel my trip today.. :laugh:
[LG Optimus 2x] V.Dragos:
finally. i can go about my day without worrying about the update and can hope for a phone app that doesn't take 30second to load.

RC do you stuff !
[LG Optimus 2x] kadeRpt:
awesome
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
OMG black magic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[LG Optimus 2x] goodmamba:
I saw the pic on RC's google+ page and 3 minutes after that it was already reposted here. Damn, many of you have burn down the F5 key :)
[LG Optimus 2x] jura55:
I'm more excited than before first sex!
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
dude.. thats kindda creepy :cyclops:

HELL YEAHHH !!!

i wont sleep tonight .. ill watch soccer and wait for the first nightlies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come on HULK .. be happy for us ,, and dont be mad because im freaking happy !!!!!!!!1
[LG Optimus 2x] andrewk2x:
Lets make JB 4.1 Sources Out..:P lol
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
i hope we got some website trolling by saying that JB will come to our O2X .. just so that we got evidence for opening the thread and not getting gangbanged by moderator :p

i love you HULK . no harm done :cyclops:
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
I guess Rc's magic will be available for download in few hours...Rc rocks...king of black magic...man behind cyanogen for all lg models...also behind voiding all warranties...love you Rc for making us proud owner of 2x
[LG Optimus 2x] Adarkar:
is it for REAL???

sources are finally out... !!! :victory:

Please confirm this:

CM 10 is going to be released soon?

CM 10 is already jelly bean?

CM 10 now will have full HWA (Hardware acceleration) for everything inside the P990 ???

Cheers!!!! :good:

p.s.

Go RC go! Keep doing a great job! :good:
[LG Optimus 2x] davibs:
Yes, Yes, Yes :)
[LG Optimus 2x] fabiodelaplazia:
Yes, yes and... Yes ;)
[LG Optimus 2x] karthik1der:
Aaaah we waited so long for a glimpse of those pics :D ..I feel like this thread is...complete.

Guess we might see the first nightly in a day. Well, time to change my pants. :P
[LG Optimus 2x] csunny95:
how long did it take for the optimus black to get cm10 after the kernel source had been released?
[LG Optimus 2x] Ska1i:
That was a bad time for you :o
[LG Optimus 2x] Sörnäinen:
Come on, guys - now after all this waiting it's finally time to be patient. Let him work in peace. If it takes a week or two or whatever ... what's that after all the time before?

The actual problem is LG, and it seems to be solved. Thank god.
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
1 day
[LG Optimus 2x] hyyuga:
So it's two weeks then for us :p
[LG Optimus 2x] zerocoolriddler:
I expect it to be seen next Weekend.:good:
[LG Optimus 2x] Wimz3n:
Fun part is that the ones that have a salary for development have been fooling around for over a year, while the devs that work for free makes it real good in a day. Hope you all contribute and buy these guys a big beer. :) i sure will when cash is flowing in again :D
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
+1
[LG Optimus 2x] homersimp:
Look at this.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/115049428938715274412/posts/VDh44uFzQRD

:laugh:
[LG Optimus 2x] lipisak:
Look 1 or 2 pages back...:D
[LG Optimus 2x] Jordan~Kurniawan:
hahahah :D

big hug from me :cyclops:

i dont know if you are trolling or just happy :)
[LG Optimus 2x] Micronuub:
Yeah, i saw it apparantly he already got CM10 running its definitely magic!

Can't wait ;D
[LG Optimus 2x] rugglez:
The God of cm for lg has answered our prayers. :thumbup:
[LG Optimus 2x] MetaIIica:
have i correct understand? I must be install a CM7 Nightly or stable and i can update to the CM10 from Ricardo now? Or its not up now?

lots of information and now i'm confused :/ :(
[LG Optimus 2x] flopower1996:
No you can download it, when it's uploaded, here: http://get.cm/?type=nightly

Gesendet von meinem LG–P990 mit Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 2x] vEget7:
The magic is started.. :D:):cool:;)
[LG Optimus 2x] metala:
We can die in peace now :)
[LG Optimus 2x] DrummerMuppet:
It's not available yet. Ricardo just posted a pic of the p990 running CM10 only to tease us, that's all.

It should be available soon. Be patient.
[LG Optimus 2x] Micronuub:
And i don't think it's gonna take that long anymore :)
[LG Optimus 2x] ngu:
Great news for all!have anyone who is on stock check LG update tool for update?
[LG Optimus 2x] TheBlackCat:
I am reminded only one question: if Ricardo is really in holding a working ROM, why he does not upload it?
[LG Optimus 2x] tr@p:
I guess that lot of people are now refreshing CM P990 download page... (myself included) xD
[LG Optimus 2x] flopower1996:
I hope so :)

Gesendet von meinem LG–P990 mit Tapatalk 2
[LG Optimus 2x] qudrat:
because he was also useing a older Kernel nad now he will take the new one.

I guess:cyclops:
[LG Optimus 2x] TheBlackCat:
mhmmm... may be, you're right.
[LG Optimus 2x] vEget7:
Patience guys,we wil have it soon,very very soon.. so HAPPY..! :D:D;):cool:
[LG Optimus 2x] DrummerMuppet:
That's because, as tonyp said earlier, he needs to update his CM10 and use the just-released sources to update the kernel and probably make a few extra changes here and there. So, we wait until it's done.
[LG Optimus 2x] MetaIIica:
its horrible... its like a beginning orgasmus... it will come but not come^^

But please guys and girls... DONT AKS RICARDO WHEN HE UPLOAD CM10 OR OTHER... I THINK IF WE ANNOY HIM, SO HE SAD... "K*** M* A** All can wait and wait and i post more pics xD"
[LG Optimus 2x] rjjcvb:
No stock ics, only cm JB.
[LG Optimus 2x] PaKii94:
Question: will the p999 get official cm10 love or will we have to wait for kangs from the p990 to be ported over

I just stayed up all night for school work but that was a bad idea because now I'll crash in the middle of the dayand not be able to follow these threads
[LG Optimus 2x] vladutz9:
Right now i logged in directly in this page and i can´t believe how much happiness is here. A wonderful and a long waited update has arrive! We feel like the Christmas has arrived with a new powerful and beautiful phone!

Good luck to all dev´s to release the cm10 for our p990.
[LG Optimus 2x] homersimp:
No troll, i just came back from lunch and i saw it on google+.

I didn't see that it was here 3 pages before.

I guess we'll have quickly this rom, i'm ready to test it, i've used JB on the galaxy nexus and i guess it will be as good on our 2X.
[LG Optimus 2x] Imperticus:
I'm pretty sure it will get official cm10 support. The differences between the 2 are minimal.
[LG Optimus 2x] Vankata_91:
Finally, we are been waiting for so long and now the happiness is here.
[LG Optimus 2x] btg202:
When?!

Question is, will be getting CM10 today?
[LG Optimus 2x] Core Memory:
Flashing the SU660 KDZ will screw up the P999. Different cell radio, RIL, partition structure, etc. Flashing recovery after won't fix those things.
[LG Optimus 2x] vEget7:
I dont think so,but i hope. ;) soon it wil have it.. :D
[LG Optimus 2x] squall0833:
the Magic we have been waiting for......:D Finally!!!

GREAT!!

Now I'm gonna miss this thread... where we discuss,help each other, rant at LG and so on...
[LG Optimus 2x] Core Memory:
Yes, if RC doesn't get bugged about it.
[LG Optimus 2x] zibbedy:
I've got a noob question because i am using a deodexed rom of version V20Q and did try out nova hd for one day. i really depend working google apps and synchronization like contacts, calender and google mail. so, are these apps included into cm10 with working synchronization, or do i have to flash them manually and hope the synchronization works...?
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
Like said before, EVERYTHING works!
[LG Optimus 2x] TrymHansen:
As with all CM-releases, the Google apps are provided in a separate package you install after having flashed CM. Sync will work. Any upgrades you flash after this will preserve Google apps.
[LG Optimus 2x] vladutz9:
Only Dev´s know. Let´s hope. In the final the wait is over.
[LG Optimus 2x] lucasxas:
Almost one year of waiting!! Finally!! :)
[LG Optimus 2x] Maggiefix:
I cant belive it, yes !!!!!

Life make sense again :;D
[LG Optimus 2x] Adarkar:
CM10 should already be Jelly bean , right? With Full HWA. :confused:
[LG Optimus 2x] xpr0nx:
Yes
[LG Optimus 2x] hunner_touchpro:
Yes, CM10 is Jelly Bean.

CM7 was GB

CM8 is nonexistent (but anyways it would be Honeycomb

CM9 is ICS

and CM10 is JB
[LG Optimus 2x] galaxyfitankit:
Join date 2010 first post end of 2012...do you have any news or link for us boss....thanx in advance
[LG Optimus 2x] tonyp:
He is working on it and will release it as soon as he feels it's ready.

I posted a screenshot of an early CM10 hackfest without releasing the ROM itself as well - as benee and I didn't think it should be released already.

Just that you can boot doesn't mean it's stable for public, yet.

But note that arcee released the P970 CM10 ROM just one day after his P970 teasing pictures - so I think we'll have it by the weekend :)
[LG Optimus 2x] zibbedy:
as is said, ive never tried out any cm-rom. so the automatic updates from google for the apps will work too?
[LG Optimus 2x] TrymHansen:
Yes.
[LG Optimus 2x] LarsPT:
That would be pretty cool :)
[LG Optimus 2x] rmein:
I hope he manages to get a build out by the weekend. I think that next week he will be busy trying to merge some far more exciting source code than a new O2X kernel....