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[Nokia Lumia 800] lumpaywk:
People just say this rubbish because its thein thing to say or like anything that results in a direct diss to Microsoft. It is a worrying trend esp when even with all there faults, and there are many, Microsoft is still the best option for most. At the end of the day it is the end users that miss out and we will all miss out big style if it continues. Even MS cant take this bad attitude towards it for ever and that will lend us to a world dominated by apple clones and/or software made in peoples bedrooms. I love android i love linux but could i live with just them all the time? Not a chance. Like it or not MS is leading the way in the tech world with everything from office 365 to windows 8 to xbox live to exchange to hyperV etc. What would the world be like without then? We geeks would be fine we have linux but what about my mum and my sister etc? what about me trying to administer our network without active directory and group policy? Everyone says MS steals technology yet we keep forgeting they are normally the first to come with it they just get beat down or mess it up but they ae there pushing forward and inovating. Windows phone is just one example along with Windows 8 of how MS is set to change the game for the better if only we let them.
[Nokia Lumia 800] john9:
Thank you my friend.:)
[Nokia Lumia 800] vangrieg:
There are two major and two minor issues I have with this phone.

First is Pentile. There are two types of people - those who see it and those who don't. I do, so I was thinking about returning the phone at first. Now I'm sort of living with it, but still black text on white background looks like crap to me.

Second is no equalizer.

The two minor issues are the fact that the USB port is located on top of the device and that it has a lid. This is less annoying than Pentile but still very awkward.

Otherwise it's a great phone.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Rusty!:
I am a 'PenTile seer' as as well, which is unfortunate. I've only had the phone 7 hours, but I'm dealing with it OK.

I'm coming from CyanogenMod, so it's a bit of a culture shock, but it's not a bad OS, just different. Not being able to set your own text/email tones is a massive fail though.

The device itself is stunning though!
[Nokia Lumia 800] Keith Max:
Love this phone

I love this phone and i even got some phone cases for it on the london magic store website
[Nokia Lumia 800] john9:
Thank you my friend.
[Nokia Lumia 800] DoogieDC:
Thanks, I'll take your advice. I'm getting a Radar for now, and I'll wait to see what MS and Nokia bring to the US.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Kikimar:
My friends has it, he has written a small review about Nokia Lumia 800

I hope it will helps you with your choice
[Nokia Lumia 800] robax:
weeeee!

Just paid for a black Lumia 800 and am enjoying the spending rush.

Been looking forward to Windows Phone 7 ever since the first showing, but I had just bought an HD2 at the time and was also a bit mad that it was going to be end of line.

However the HD2 kept me going through the first generation WP7 phones and I was happy to wait for the Mango devices and something a little more interesting like the Lumia. I'd rather have the specs of the Focus S, but this time I wanted something a littel more stylish as well.

Then the HD2 touch panel went dead and so I bought a cheap Android phone in the meantime, and boy am I not impressed with that! What a worthless operating system consiedring all the hype. In my view it's about on a par with Window Mobile 5, but with new apps and an app store. I really expected something more from Android.

Anyhow.. that's going to be a spare phone ina few days when the lumia arrives.

Next step is to get a small SIM card replacement and then hope I'm happy with the battery life of the Lumia.

After that I'm betting I'll miss a ton of features I had with the HD2, but I think the fun of messing with mango will make up for it.

ok.. now to sit and wait. . . . . . . . . arghh

And then I'll come back here and add my yes or no.
[Nokia Lumia 800] rottenbrain:
N9 is actually the best Nokia smartphone. If you want a Nokia device, you should buy Nokia N9.
[Nokia Lumia 800] apollo15rover:
New Owner - USA!! YES (in spite of some drawbacks..)

Picked up the Lumia 800 - what a gem!!!

Looked at Samsung Focus too - nice devices! I loved parts of the Titan, but (as 'she' said) it's just too big for me. I want a phone.. not a mini-tablet.

Only drawback; due to T-Mobile's network, I can only get 2G Edge at best. Only thing I am finding it interferes with is media-rich sites. Email and web browsing are still really quick (the 1.4GHz compensates well!). Maps is also good because Nokia allows free downloads of regional maps - so you can do GPS without going into data. California was 145MB so had to use WiFi of course to retrieve.

So the only real drawback is not being able to watch movies while driving anymore :B

The form factor on this phone beats anything I've seen. Even makes the iPhone look like an Android..
[Nokia Lumia 800] Shujitzu:
Surprised!

I got the missis the lumia yesterday and been playing with it. First reaction WOW this is quicker than my SGS2 even though my one is suppose to be superior. I guess its down to windows phone vs android. I had my sgs 2 since it came out and I will definitly getting windows phone after this.

Although Im not impressed by the sound quality of lumia but the other half won't know the difference.

Windows phone for the future! :)
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
I crave this phone so badly. I put a message in to a client of mine to see about an advance. Yeah, go into debt to buy a phone. Novel, eh?

Just found out that another friend of mine is consulting between MSFT and Nokia. She knows "things". Begged her to try and get me a Cyan phone imported. I'd pull my hair out in anticipation if my hair weren't so damned good looking. HA!

Love reading peoples' opinions. The user experience pro's and con's are really helping me to make an informed decision and to know what to expect.
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
I'd say go for it if you can live with it's shortcomings compared to other platforms. Personally I couldn't get by the end of the week with a WP-device since they don't offer real multitasking.

Let's say you are using some sports-tracker app and while you run/walk you get a message. You reply to the message putting the tracker-app in the background and then bring it up again to continue. Well guess what? You'll have to start all over since it stopped tracking when it was in the background! No mass-storage mode is another dealbraker for me since I use a Linux based computer. And even if I used Windows, I hate using apps just to transfer stuff to/from my damn phone.

That is why I am using an N9, the king of multitasking and the last real Nokia :)
[Nokia Lumia 800] Rusty!:
Endomondo tracks in the background just fine.
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
Runkeeper didn't last time I checked.
[Nokia Lumia 800] 2bullish:
My wife has this phone and it is dreadful. It freezes completely two or three times a day, sometimes, when its just in her bag so she doesn't know it. Had the update, no change.

Its going back.
[Nokia Lumia 800] risq:
Got the Cyan one yesterday. Easily the best looking phone I've owned. Hardly put it down. Finally got all my music via Zune Pass and got my whatsapp set up...

Gorgeous...gorgeous phone.

Just to say if anyone wants me to buy the Cyan ones and ship them yo you..PM me.
[Nokia Lumia 800] risq:
Sounds like its faulty.
[Nokia Lumia 800] risq:
Some apps still haven't updated for Mango which sounds like what you've experienced.
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
Maybe. One thing is for sure though, problems like that wouldn't be happening if the multitasking was "real", you know like on a computer (and maemo for that matter). I never understood the need of a crippled multitasking. I mean, it should provide better battery life but it doesn't, does it?
[Nokia Lumia 800] Shujitzu:
I prefer how wp handles multitasking, it pauses everything when you want to do something else. I had SGS and now I'm on SGS2. For the time I've been using android there are a lot apps that runs in the background even though you don't need them to. unnecessary battery drain.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Radek Hulán:
They do, pretty much the same way iOS and/or Android does. But apps must be coded properly for Mango to multitask in the background, resume, etc.
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
But that's the thing, WP-devices don't offer better battery-life, do they? On paper they should but in reality they don't.

For example, the N9 and the Lumia 800 have the same battery, allmost the same screen but different chipsets (although same manufacturing tech. 45nm). So, the Lumia should have better battery-life because of the "better" multitasking right? Well, it doesn't.

What is it good for if it doesn't offer the main advantage it is claimed to offer? Making dev's, and to some extent users, lives more complicated?
[Nokia Lumia 800] weetigo:
Nokia has stated that the Lumia is not currently harnessing the full battery, its using something like 1300 of a 1450 mAh battery. They have issued one update this past week to help with some battery issues, and promised it will harness the full battery capacity in January after another update.
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
Right, and that will bring it up to the N9's level or make it slightly better when it should be lightyears ahead!

The way I see it, a more power-efficient phone with a slightly smaller battery should perform as good as a less eficient phone with larger battery, no?
[Nokia Lumia 800] htc12345:
I think yes
[Nokia Lumia 800] Rusty!:
Indeed, that's how come a 3210 with a 1250mah battery can last a week, whereas a Desire HD's battery lasts like 8 hours.
[Nokia Lumia 800] john9:
I appreciate any help I can get!:)
[Nokia Lumia 800] whitealien:
The problem with android is that it is too open. There is a limit with providing good SDK and allowing to make apps based only on it or allowing to do whatever you want and making crapload of ****. Android programmer base is so dumb, they don't know anything about performance or battery optimization or background task handling. Android market is blunt loaded with web page scrappers, wrappers and xml parsers. To make a some mobile web page wrapper takes me 5 min and some don't even have any shame to ask money for that. Majority of Android app devs are just amateurs, weekend java programmers or ex web developers with no any clue what mobile platform is and that there is some limit in available RAM, processing power, storage and etc.

Android market maybe is a lot bigger than windows market, but when you look at quality then we come down to the same number or even worse.

Sorry for rant, but 2 years ago I put big fate in Android and Google which totally failed me by providing competitive mobile platform. Android, even with ICS 4.0 is still 2 years behind iOS and now also WM7. They need 2 dual core most powerful CPUs in a world to accomplish the same task what WM7 can do with single core and half RAM and even then they fail.

Oh well .....
[Nokia Lumia 800] tomislavp4:
Never blame anything for being too open, it's a good thing. Blame the developers for building and yourself for choosing non-quality apps. The popular, non-free, apps are made by good devs that know what they are doing. Stick to these and you'll be fine.

However Android does have a flaw: it is a VM on top of a Linux core. This is why you need hexa-core CPUs to run the damn thing! I can't understand why they built it like that instead of making it run native tbh.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Wodnik Szuwarek:
Only Nokia, because Nokia is Nokia :p
[Nokia Lumia 800] get2kool:
Mixed opinion

I waited all these months to get a Lumia 800. Got a sim free handset. It is a fantastic design. The machined polycarbonate shell is rugged and OS is slick and nippy. I was very pleased until I really started using it....

:mad: the bluetooth connectivity is terrible. I cannot pair with any devices not even my Nokia E71 or 6700. So I am unable transfer my contacts.

:mad: then I copied my contacts on E71 to my PC. But then I found it is nearly impossible to transfer .vcf contact files to Lumia. Now this really annoyed me.

:mad: other issues like no expandable memory,no syncronisation with Nokia suite whatsoever and most apps for WP7 cannot yet multitask.

I am thinking of returning this phone and move on to Android!!! but still wanna give it a chance!!
[Nokia Lumia 800] Rusty!:
I used Google sync to transfer my contacts, painless.
[Nokia Lumia 800] anseio:
I think your complaints have nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with Windows Phone.

Currently, WP7.5 does not support OBEX. So, you cannot connect to another device and transfer files/contacts.

Using PC/Ovi Suites, you can sync your contacts from the old phones to your computer and have PC/Ovi Suite sync to Outlook. There is freeward called gocontactsync that can sync your Outlook contacts to your online google account. Sign in to google on your phone and all of the contacts will be downloaded. Keeping gocontactsync running, you can then manage your contacts on your Lumia and on your computer and everything should be ok.
[Nokia Lumia 800] dlads:
The android operating system is fantastic, i've had loads of HTC products since the hero and i've sworn by them for a long time.

More recently i was given a nokia 800 and I can tell you the phone is a little gem, (just so you know, i am not a fan of neither windows phone nor nokia)

The phone will just grow on you like a moss, and it's hard not to like it, it's simplicity soon becomes how you want your phone to be, even though i knew the Sensation and DHD's i had were superior devices in many ways, i couldn't bring myself to use the buggers for anything other than playing on a decent game or app.

Which is the bad point and the only real bad point i will make about the Lumia and probably all windows phones, THE APPS :( oh my, this really is a weak spot isn't it? First of all literally EVERYTHING is paid for and when i say paid for i mean Sonic the hedgehog is £5.49p, and that imho is a joke.

Having said that the hardware in the Lumia is decent enough to play the games which are available at good framerates and with no slowdowns, International snooker is a great game, Hydro thunder and lets golf 2 both run superb.

Asides from the apps being a joke and the fact that they're all paid there are a few hiccups and quirks here and there but nothing a solid update couldn't fix, the battery runs down too quickly imo, the conference call speaker is stupid and only good for when your in a library (the one place you wouldn't use it) and the camera's lighting is dumb.

Other than these things the Nokia is easily the best WP7 phone available, and finally nokia have got a decent handset which doesn't require you to have the ability to decipher the da-vinci code to add an apn.

Adding Contacts is piss easy too, if you've had a Google account before then log in and your contacts come over, couldn't be easier.

Sorry this comment is a little long winded, i could rattle on about this phone all day but i won't, I wouldn't have liked this phone if i didn't own one myself, and that's not me being biased, it's just that (like i said before) this phone will grow on you, no one will believe it but it's just the way it is.

PS: Before anyone else chips in either, the phone has no real file manager yet, which means installing apps via a quick download is not possible, another sad thing but still not a deal breaker.

Just be prepared to spend a few bob on apps which would usually be free on other OS' Angry birds is £2.29 for example, how dare they!

I think in the near future with dev's working on the Lumia and other dev's working on apps the Lumia will come good and a lot of people will come to like it, it's just a case of using it for a day or two to get you hooked.

:)
[Nokia Lumia 800] jhughesy:
Android is ok if you can put up with malware, lag and apps crashing. Personally I hated it and sold my Samsung Tab 10.1 after 4 weeks. We have SGSIIs in the office and they are unstable battery guzzlers. Fantastic? I think not.

WP7 can install apps over the air from the web marketplace straight onto the phone. No need for a file manager. Welcome to 2011! :D
[Nokia Lumia 800] jhughesy:
1. Dual core is not a requirement if the phone runs perfectly smooth without it and runs smoother than Android with dual core.

2. You state that because 10 guys in your office have Android v 1 iPhone guy thats fantastic. Are you getting commission? I judge an OS in how well it works for me, not how many people own it. McDonalds is pretty popular too but I wouldn't use that as an example of a fantastic meal.

3. I have used 4 Android devices now all with the same problems. Laggy and crashing. Of course its not Androids fault right?

Even the Nexus with ICS has lag. http://digithoughts.com/post/11647614966/the-samsung-galaxy-nexus-and-the-android-lag

4. "The android platform is an achievement in many ways, it's given the developers of the world a place to work and achieve things the major companies didn't, a stable operating system on which to use as their daily smartphone, neither IOS nor Windows phone can boast this as both of their OS' are not open source and they never will be, meaning development will always be scarce"

This is such a lot of bull. iOS and WP7 are not stable? Development is scarce? Are you one of those FOSS nuts?

5. You want to install pirated software on your phone by installing angry birds for free..? :eek: and because WP7 doesnt do this for you its a problem? hmm..best to just ignore this one then because I wont agree with functions to install pirate software as a feature of the os.

6. Your Lumia battery must be broke. I'd take it back for replacement. I have 2 Lumias in the office and both get 24 hours use or 36 hours with battery saver. SGSII gets around 16 hours with similar use.

7. "I can tell your a bit of a noob with phones because of pretty much every comment you just made so instead of just calling you a noob, i've now set you straight ok?"

...you set me straight...call me a noob, whatever, won't change the fact that Android has serious issues and certainly isn't a fantastic os.....yet.
[Nokia Lumia 800] dlads:
FACE PALM.

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I didn't say that it is a requirment of the OS, I said it is probably needed if your using some heavy 3d application, sorry but that's just true.

Please read everything someone reads before writing something about it without engaging your brain.

Again, i didn't state that ten people have the phone i said that android devices sell 10 - 1! Compared to IOS, which is true i have the bloody figures from work which state that ffs why would i make that up? lol.

You have used 4 android devices, good for you, root them and install a custom rom and tell me that they still lag, if they do then it's you and you haven't done it right, all of mine and the multitude of phones i've rooted (including the HTC Hero ffs) for my friends and family are without lag so again ITS YOU!!

The Galaxy Nexus does have lag at times, probably because it's a new OS and probably because it needs an update, the galaxy nexus is a stellar phone, no getting away from that one.

Also i didn't say that IOS and WP7 aren't stable! I said that WP7 is in it's early stages (teething to be exact)

The lumia i have isn't broken ok! I actually use my phone to make calls and text, i have sync turned off for pretty much everything, so no it isn't the phone that's broken it's the battery that's ****e, 3 more of my friends who i work with got the lumia too and their battery life is just the same, maybe yours is special?

And lastly the four android devices you've used, the only thing i would say is that the problem lies with the weakest part of everything, and that would be the fleshy part attached to the phone, chances are your still syncing stocks and news, u use task managers too do you?

Look man, I only came here to give my two cents of knowledge, and I don't say things which aren't true, and my opinions are based upon knowledge which i've picked up along the way, u sound quite angry and i have no idea why that is but venting it on here isn't going to make it go away.

I'm not going to say anything more about this with you because it is obvious you just want an argument and i'm not in any mood to go down that road with you, so why don't we keep this thread to the topic and leave it at that ok?!?

If you don't like android then that's your journey, personally i can see the good in most platforms besides Nokias own OS which in mine and pretty much every sane person on the planet is nothing short of disgraceful.

1. Android

2. WP7

3. IOS

Thats my opinion, if you don't like it then tell it to someone who cares.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Rusty!:
Yes Symbian is crap :D

WP does need a lot of effort to catch up, but you can see that the potential is there just by using it.
[Nokia Lumia 800] dlads:
Yea defo, i use it as my everyday phone, i have my gripes with it but it's simplicity is it's winning formula, would be nice to change things around a bit, maybe have transparency or sideways scrolling instead of just up and down, or a ferris wheel with pull down / up.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Wiggy Fuzz:
so can android. and, unless i'm doing something wrong, i need my lumia plugged into the mains before i can do this.

i really love my lumia (and my s2, just to balance things out). but a couple of gripes - the body - as nice as it is, is decidedly slippery. sure, it comes with a neat case in the box, but it makes the buttons a little recessed, making them a little harder to press with gloves on.

going back to a pentile display was a little irritating, considering the n9 apparently has an RGB display. to be fair, samsung spoiled me here, but i just wish all amoled displays were of the RGB variety now.

it feels like a few features were nerfed for no good reason compared to other handsets, and the n9. i don't know how it helps the day to day running of the handset, but when an app tells me it might not run as best it can because of no gyroscope... that's a little unsettling from what's supposed to be the top end windows phone at the moment.

the audio quality. it better be a software problem, is all i can say.

and to be fair, other than the audio quality thing, those gripes wouldn't be enough to stop me from considering using windows phone in the future, too.
[Nokia Lumia 800] pspbricker:
After having owned it for a week.... a definite yes. Without doubt, one of the most aesthetically pleasing devices I've ever owned. Buttery smooth UI, solid, stable OS, decent cam, great ecosystem.

Somebody above bemoaned the lack of aluminium and the fact that it has a shaped screen - they're actually two of the biggest plus points. The material Nokia uses is shaped to swallow the edges of the screen up - couldn't do that with aluminium, and because there is no paint, it's much harder to scratch than other devices.

The screen is shaped so that the edges hug the bevel (?) and it has about the best looking screen i've ever seen. It outperforms my SGS2 when outside and the blacks are pure black spaces - and i've had amoled screens before, but this is impressive.

What's missing? Hard to say really, I don't use a FFC and won't load more than 10-12GB of music photos etc on to my device.

I would like to see Skype, and a few updates to solve a few niggles but since I've had it, I've had countless people coming up and asking what phone it is, simply because it's refreshingly different (got the cyan version).
[Nokia Lumia 800] dlads:
You don't need to be plugged in m8, if your referring to going to the market place and downloading an app then it installing itself! Both wp7 and android and ios can do this. My point was, wp7, cannot just download an app from the net and install it via a file manager!
[Nokia Lumia 800] jhughesy:
Plugged into mains is for sync with Zune on the PC on your wifi network. Installing from browser based marketplace works OTA from anywhere, PC, phone, tablet, whatever.

No need for a stupid file manager!! :D
[Nokia Lumia 800] dlads:
Does the browser based marketplace offer anything different to the app's which are on the marketplace on the phone?