yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
heh.....aosp roms for any non-nexus device rely on a couple of other "sources" to make it run. the sensation device tree doesn't come in aosp.

make no mistake, i am looking forward to ics, but there are way to many idiots that think this means it will be available tomorrow to put on their sensation
[HTC Sensation] kevinniven:
New rom

My guess is we will see alpha in a few weeks!
[HTC Sensation] bone$:
great news! the wait is over =)
[HTC Sensation] jknvv13:
Yep, but in 2.3 we don't have the new renderscript, we don't have hardware acceleration, we don't have 663673744784211007 things that gingerbread doesn't have.
[HTC Sensation] ryohazuki:
Yep, AOSP is now live to sync
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
ICS is different from Gingerbread though. Google has change some of the core parts of the Android OS in ICS so things like the launcher and the standard apps like people\contacts, messaging, phone, and etc are designed to work in different ways and use different resources. Also they have been designed to be way more intergrated with one another than they have been before so this means they are allegation more dependant on each other now Han being as rand alone apps.

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This is true, but a lot of devices "Device Tree" does not come in AOSP. But that has not stoped them from getting AOSP ROMs or ROMs built from source . So tell me again, what was your point?
[HTC Sensation] snelan:
Is there an estimate of how long we will have to wait till a flashable ICS ROM on XDA?
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
my point is, where is this device tree coming from?
[HTC Sensation] Jibraldor:
Be more supportive to him guys, he's on his period.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Well it comes from devoted devs that are willing to say screw the system and the over barring carriers. And put their brilliant minds to work to make their own tree or take the existing tree and modifing it to work with ICS source. In a nut shell it is called using your brain power and being innovative.
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
is that why there are so many 2.3 aosp builds for the sensation that aren't based on cyanogenmod?
[HTC Sensation] homais:
I hate these type of threads because they always end up in arguments.
[HTC Sensation] d.brown:
Amen!

Hi my name is DloBrown and Im A nightly addict who've been sober for too long!!!
[HTC Sensation] howetechnical:
+1, HOWEVER, this thread is not meant for developers. It's meant for those who use cooked ROM's to get excited. Any developer worth their weight will have already known about the git source. These kinds of online discussion board posts will always be around for as long as people don't logically think through -why- they are posting (think: if they were excited enough to post, then their excitement wouldn't grow by actually posting, thereby eliminating the actual post if they thought it through).

And while CM are not -required- to cook an AOSP ROM, they are used a whole heck of a lot (they are a great group of developers, and do a lot of the dirty work early on).
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
arguing.....reality.....it's all the same
[HTC Sensation] pr0x2:
So glad I chose android over wp7 :)
[HTC Sensation] galaxys:
gr8 news! Time for some more development fun!!
[HTC Sensation] gamikzone:
lol this is great, im glad i bought a sensation
[HTC Sensation] septix:
Here, take this chillpill...
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
Hmmm.......
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Hmmm let's see there is 11 pages in the HTC Sensation Android Development forum. And in the first 6 pages you will find 10 ROMs built from source\ASOP. Oh what you must have forgotten about MIUI it is ASOP too. And there is a couple of individual or other de. Team ASOP ROMs too. Now again educate yourself and stop embarrassing yours. I mean really
[HTC Sensation] pr0x2:
Please show me 1

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Send via the XDA app
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
It is and it isn't. Its based on CM which is in turn a heavily modified version of stock Android based on AOSP. So in a round about way you could say it is, but official miui builds are based off of CM source not AOSP.
[HTC Sensation] webmaster:
This thread brings up a good question however. So are there actually any ROMs out there that are not based on CM? I am not talking about Sense based ones, but actual AOSP ROMs? I had not really given it much thought until now, so I am curious.
[HTC Sensation] esincho:
Every last one of them based on cm sir
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
pr0 tip. If it runs the amaze cam or has htc's quick settings, it's not aosp
[HTC Sensation] hev88:
Wasnt there one a few months back that got abandoned or was that based on cm as well
[HTC Sensation] hev88:
.... whoops
[HTC Sensation] ceza_21:
Anything cooked yet??? :-D
[HTC Sensation] mzmo:
Noob Q: Would compiling an ICS rom from the source code mean that it'll fully support dual core? Since ICS "made" to support dual core devices...

Sent From My Sensation Zee Seventy-One Oh-e
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Well CM source is based off of Google ASOP. So if MIUI is based of of CM source, in a round about way they are ASOP. The point being that they are not a modified\cooked custom ROM that started out as a stock ROM. And it is not a ported ROM from another device., now to me that unequivocally makes it a ASOP ROM.

Ok I checked and it does seem you are correct, I do appologize for my felonious statement. Still this only shows the Sensation needs more good true ROM developers, and CM source is the preferred source. Let's hope the first one changes.

If it starts out as ASOP and has a feature ported from another device or a stock feature added to it. It is still ASOP as the base build is ASOP.

Oh and Quick Settings is not a HTC exclusive thing. Go search it in the market.
[HTC Sensation] infamousjax:
What the **** is ASOP?

IT'S AOSP (Android Open Source Project)

Sorry this was bugging me!
[HTC Sensation] robkoehler:
successful troll is successful
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
Way to repeat exactly what I wrote champ. You're winning ;)
[HTC Sensation] ikrispyyy:
Hahahhaha

Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio
[HTC Sensation] babluc:
I dont get what all the issue is about posting this. Its in the general section and some people get excited cause its coming soon or getting closer. True not everyone knows how much work goes into getting AOSP ROM to work on a specific device, but lets not belittle others knowledge/understanding of android because you know so much more. Some people just got an android phone and others are new to rooting and flashing roms, but everyone started as a "noob". This is my 3rd android phone that i've rooted and flashed roms on and I still dont know it all.

Dont understand why people get all worked up. If you dont like the topic or question and think its dumb, just move on. It's helping someone learn something or it wouldnt be a the top of the section.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Sorry man I just wanted to drive home that point is all. I just get tired of seeing people whining on here about things but never getting off there a$$ and trying to develop something to change the situation is all. But the winning statment was really unnecessary now wasn't it.

I understand you and I am not tryin.g to come off as a a-hole. But if you are going to be flashing , rooting, and modding your device you should try to fully understand what it is you are doing and where the software you are flashing to your device came from, that is just my opinion.

Oh and this thread started out in the development forums and quickly got moved to General. Which I new was going to happen as people started flooding it.
[HTC Sensation] babluc:
Agreed, no ones trying to be an a-hole, and people should be informed. Recently people seem to have such a short fuse for "noob" questions/rules, not really talking about you specifically, just stuff I've read and seen on XDA. Everyone starts at the bottom or maybe I havent been on XDA long enough to get frustrated yet. :D
[HTC Sensation] Knucklessg1:
Stop being a debbie downer and let everyone be happy that ICS Source code dropped. Besides, the majority population knows that ICS will come in a month or two for our phones. :D;)
[HTC Sensation] Pinepig:
Hammer time
[HTC Sensation] jriv:
Classic ....

sent from a guy living in a van down by the river
[HTC Sensation] Alex_electro:
after reading hihlight from android devlopper....

After taking the time to read about hilight of ICS, there really no hurry for those who have chance to have an HTC as 80% of new features that will be embeded in This ROM are HTC sense 3.5 feature...

So it's just bringing HTC fonctionnality to other manufacturers of device that have not sense.

MAy help you guy wait if you're obsessed by having the last version instead of the better one for device... sometime lowering performance if device thinked to use older ROM...

But WE may get advantage of dual-core if it's more optimised for new devices..
[HTC Sensation] Galaxa12:
I wouldn't complain.. lol... And There is only great things to come.. Keep up the great work devs and modders!
[HTC Sensation] vitusdoom:
Why so angry man? Lol. Besides its general threads. ;) let these little guys be. And just relax ;)
[HTC Sensation] speedysilwady:
Its crazy how many pages were dedicated to reacting towards one person's opinion. O.o;
[HTC Sensation] nrvnqsrxk:
nrvnqsrxk used to be a mad rabid forum guard dog too.

Yelled at noobs all the time for asking stupid questions.

One day the forums started getting quiet and it became lonely.

nrvnqsrxk decided he liked having people to talk to so he started being nicer and becoming everyone's friend.

People started posting again and things got lively. nrvnqsrxk wasn't bored so much anymore.

Happy ending!!!!

In all seriousness, I'm glad source got released early. Things were kinda getting dead around here, and now we have something android to look forward to for Christmas.
[HTC Sensation] ash1684:
You can already get the launcher on the market : ICS Launcher and ICS launcer + (or pro, can't remember right now lol)
[HTC Sensation] exb0:
doesn't give same experience.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
My 2p...

Everyone says without CM we won't have an AOSP ROM on the Sensation. Not necessarily true. There was a dev for the Desire, AdamG, who made his ROM 100% from the source code and didn't use any CM tweaks/code at all.

All it takes is someone like him to do the same here but it's unlikely as there's aren't as many Devs working on the Sensation (sad, but true).

Anyway, good news nonetheless
[HTC Sensation] unfnknblvbl:
the ICS Launcher on the market was just something somebody made based on the rumours around the leaks of the GN.

Anyway, I'm trying to get my build environment set up. Does anybody know what the idvendor and idProduct for pyramid/sensation should be in the 51-android-rules file?

# fastboot protocol on pyramid (sensation)
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="????", ATTR{idProduct}=="????", MODE="0600", OWNER="unfunk"
# fastboot protocol on pyramid (Sensation)
SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="????", ATTR{idProduct}=="????", MODE="0600", OWNER="unfunk"
[HTC Sensation] pete777:
I remember those days with oxygen on desire. But I think that difference is that desire was very similar to nexus one, so devs can use drivers designed for nexus and use it for desire. There were plenty of non-sense roms for desire because of this similarity to first google dev phone..maybe I am wrong, I am not dev for sure..anyway I hope to see ICS on Sensation soon:)
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
That's very true, forgot about the N1
[HTC Sensation] ronijs19:
oxygen

Oxygen is for gs2 to. And that phone not the clouse to nexus line. _thalamus mace kernel for sensation. And privat oxygen port for test. Not realise. He said in future tray mace ics port.
[HTC Sensation] vegetaleb:
When GB AOSP was released last year like now, CM took a long time before releasing nighties because they were afraid of bugs :eek:

Though some xda devs succefully released custom roms based on AOSP a couple of days after the AOSP launch!

For Sensation the only little problem is the resizing process (qHD size) that will take more time, when we see our very competent devs like CtDroid and IC works I am pretty sure we will have a working ICS rom by Christmas :D
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
baadnewz has always released Sense-based ROMs, never seen an AOSP one as I'm not sure he knows how to compile a ROM from source. You also need the relevant drivers to be written from scratch as none currently exist for 4.1 with regards to the Sensation
[HTC Sensation] undercover:
Correct, as Baad says himself, he's a cook, not a dev.

Re resizing.... ICS is supposed to support multiple resolutions isn't it?.
[HTC Sensation] T-Macgnolia:
Yeah if I am not mistaken it is suppose to support multiple resolution sizes, dual core processors, and hardware acceleration.

You know I find it funny I have seen nobody talking about the fact that not only was ICS source code for the Galaxy Nexus released yesterday. But the source code for Honeycomb was also released yesterday too. I know ICS has most if not all the features of Honeycomb, but still finally real development can start for tablets too.
[HTC Sensation] unfnknblvbl:
Yeah, Google don't want that to happen as ICS replaces Honeycomb on tablets too.
[HTC Sensation] staymunch:
he doesn't want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes
[HTC Sensation] ukjm2k:
This will be the best version on Android to date.

Should rock on Sensation!! :D
[HTC Sensation] Louer Adun:
Wouldn't this mean that we need to wait for HTC to release their ICS binaries for the sensation before we can get a (mostly) working ROM.

This is straight from Google:

Sounds like we will be waiting till HTC can churn out a Sense ROM and drivers before we get some ICS goodness. Or do we have Devs here capable of writing their own driver binaries for the sensation? Do we even have access to the source code for HTC's Gingerbread drivers?
[Desire HD Android Development] iridium21:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/c0e01b4619a1455a

:D
[Desire HD Android Development] senaia:
That is all well and good but surely this would be better in general?
[Desire HD Android Development] Andy:
Its fine in here for a while. It is after all development related. :)
[Desire HD Android Development] darknessrise1234:
Very much so development related, however it has been posted multiple times in our already existing ICS thread.
[myTouch 4G General] felix.akinyemi:
Whos excited!

http://androidapproved.com/item/ice-cream-sandwich-source-code-is-now-aosp-custom-roms-in-3-2-1-go/
[myTouch 4G General] NatsuDragneell:
Sweet!

sent from mi myTouch ICS 4G via xda premium
[myTouch 4G General] neidlinger:
I think technically all OSs, in their pure form, are considered AOSP. Once Samsung, Motorola, LG, and HTC get their hands on it it's considered TouchWiz, MotoBlur, ???, Sense.

Anyway. Excited to see it being uploaded to the Git servers... i just wish i had the knowledge to make my own OS.
[myTouch 4G General] mulletcutter:
Cm9 alpha, where are u
[myTouch 4G General] dclaw_fantum:
It isn't technically AOSP until the source is released. Otherwise it is actually still closed source.
[myTouch 4G General] TeeJay3800:
I think he's referring to the fact that ICS source has now been released, and therefore is now part of the Android Open Source Project. ;)
[myTouch 4G General] mackster248:
I'm excited.

Also, I really hope this will be the only thread about it in this section. I can see 10 other people making the same thread by days end lol.

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[myTouch 4G General] estallings15:
+ a Googol. <-- lame, but it got the point across.
[myTouch 4G General] 0.0:
i cant wait for the next cyanogen rom! hopefully get to see one in the coming weeks...days? maybe im getting too anxious :p

i did see a ICS rom being made, here in the general section. maybe they will get it released before cyanogen. that would be nice :)
[myTouch 4G General] vikashfoolsu:
I'm so excited for the roms to come out! Been waiting for forever!
[myTouch 4G General] estallings15:
That one couldn't have been based off anything other than a system dump from the galaxy nexus and the ICS SDK. It would be incomplete at best. Not to knock the work being done on it, but the dev(s) only had so much to work with. We have SOURCE CODE now. So exciting.
[myTouch 4G General] mackster248:
Probably about a month until we see some unofficial CM9 builds. That's my best guess.
[myTouch 4G General] Bloodflame:
i'd imagine CM9 nightlies to come sooner. maybe about 2 weeks or so.

here's to hoping anyway. but i'd like to see a pure AOSP build within the next couple days if possible :-D
[myTouch 4G General] kaxiniao:
I'm expecting virtuous team release a ICS ROM
[HTC Rezound] guitarevan07:
This will Achieve TEMP. Root.

I made this because I found it hard to find instructions.

I DID NOT MAKE THIS ROOT!

Download this Zergrush Root (mirror'd on my server) and extract somewhere where you can find:

http://www.guitarvideos.org/zerg.zip

1. Connect your phone to your computer via USB. Turn USB debugging on.

2. Download/install HTC drivers if they aren't already installed:

http://goo.gl/Rzauz

3. select HTC Sync When you plug your phone in. Charge Only may work for others, but HTC Sync is the only one that worked for me. Let windows install the drivers if needed.

4. Navigate inside the folder you extracted and right click on ZergRushTempRoot (.bat), and click Run as administrator. Then follow directions.
[HTC Rezound] Goldeneye877:
So if it's temporary root then what's the point of step 6?
[HTC Rezound] guitarevan07:
Good point sir. Edited, and slapped firmly
[HTC Rezound] con247:
Have you tried removing any bloat from /system?
[HTC Rezound] Conduitz:
you can temp root it and remove the bloatware, but it force re-dl's as soon as you reboot.

/sadface
[HTC Rezound] con247:
I bet that can be blocked. There must be an app or service running that needs to be killed.
[HTC Rezound] stedrocklp:
I am getting a 404 file not found error for the first link.
[HTC Rezound] guitarevan07:
sorry should work now
[HTC Rezound] stedrocklp:
Works now. Thanks
[HTC Rezound] Goldeneye877:
I tried it with the htc sync method and it doesnt work. Couldnt use any root apps anyway so I guess temp root is useless.
[HTC Rezound] azgoofball:
It worked for me, but only until it rebooted. Installed MyBackup Root and was able to restore. Once I rebooted, it was gone. Are there there any scripts to uninstall the bloat apps??
[HTC Rezound] con247:
While you are rooted, could you check the sizes of /data and /system with a df command in mobile terminal?
[HTC Rezound] bast525:
Ok I followed the steps and it SEEMS to work, puts SU on the phone, but Titanium does not recognize it as having root....

EDIT: disregard... not sure what I did but it's working now...
[HTC Rezound] Goldeneye877:
were you able to restore your apps/settings and have it all remain after reboot?
[HTC Rezound] bast525:
well, titanium restore is definitely working. got a bunch of stuff restored no problem. I haven't tried rebooting after restoring but I know SU dissappeared the couple times I rebooted before restoring.
[HTC Rezound] reverepats:
I'm going to talk to a few guys today over in the 3VO forums. I'm sure we can get a script for the bloat. Maybe even for th kernel. No promises but can't hurt
[HTC Rezound] rboddy:
Haaaaaaa, I'm assuming you meant promises? :p

EDIT: Ok I finally got it to work. Looks like Zergroot may have unmounted my SD card, so I had to go back in and remount it. But I'm good to go. WHoo hoo!!!!!
[HTC Rezound] azgoofball:
Lol,, gotta love spell check!:D:D:D

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Con - I didn't get that far into it. Terminal icon was active only before the reboot as well.
[HTC Rezound] reverepats:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hold **** that's the funniest thing I've seen all week..way to make an entrance Into the new forums huh? Lol, Jesus that's funny. I'm gonna talk to Viperboy over at the Epic Touch forums. He made the Bloatware script for us in the 3vo forums back when we had temp root. He may be able to help.
[HTC Rezound] WorldOfJohnboy:
Anyone get temp root and then able to at least "Freeze" the Bloat apps (use Titanium)? I can recall doing the same thing with my Wife's Incredible 2 until they got Perm Root for it.
[HTC Rezound] gbishop18:
Got Su on my phone but titanium couldn't get root privileges. Also my ad card was unmounted. My system was mounted r/w but I couldn't change it back to r/o?
[HTC Rezound] FcoT:
IT worked, awesome first step!
[HTC Rezound] Cadillac Kid:
Well, all I know is I have 14 days to return this if it can't get perm root and s off. Well be a nexus if that's the case :/
[HTC Rezound] jbh00jh:
Saw on droidlife.com that vzw is extending the the return time on phones purchased 11/15/2011 - 11/28/2011 to Jan. 9th 2012.

Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1
[HTC Rezound] azgoofball:
All of you griping about root,, give the devs some time! Sheez! Zerg temp root worked for me and got me going. A full root will be coming. Just be patient.
[HTC Rezound] jstaab:
Just some info...From my experience, if you can't get root, unplug the cable, reboot the phone, plug the cable back in, and try it again. Secondly, I've been finding that something does eventually kill temp root. I got about halfway through my restore process via titanium and then the restore hung, and root was gone. I've had root go away eventually twice (and not a reboot). To get root back, I had to reboot as mentioned above, and walk the process again. In addition, when trying to 'freeze' and app via Titanium, Titanium hung, and eventually the phone rebooted.
[HTC Rezound] jbh00jh:
Yeah, I'll just wait for perm root.

Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1
[HTC Rezound] rboddy:
I was having the same issues with the SD card being unmounted. I found that I had to go in to the storage settings on the phone and remount the SD card, seems as though maybe ZergRoot is unmounting it and not remounting perhaps. After I mounted it though, I was good to go and have all my apps via Ti!

See this......

+1, this phone has been out for a DAY. I'd say within the month it should be fully hacked, this is a pretty beastly phone and should garner plenty of support.
[HTC Rezound] snicklet:
Everytime a bootloader has been locked someone or some people have been able to unlock it. I cannot recall ANY android phone that hasn't been able to be unlocked. The previous post is correct just give it a little time and it will be perm rooted and s off. No need to jump ship and return the phone so quickly. The phone works great even without root. I don't see how not having root on day one could be a deal breaker.
[HTC Rezound] Conduitz:
amen. patience is a virtue. get to know the phone in and out stock, so you can appreciate the custom goodness that much more, once it drops.

personally, I know i'll be donating to whatever team or person comes up with a root method, and I also know that *****ing and complaining about not having root, or pestering the devs that VOLUNTEER their time to getting our phones working to their best capabilities only prolongs the process.
[HTC Rezound] dmeadows013:
I just tried the HTC Bootloader Unlock (I didn't think it would work, because Verizon doesn't support it, but worth a shot)

Short answer is no it doesn't :D
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
Any Android Phone? Want a few? Droid 2, Droid 3, Droid X, Droid X2, Droid Bionic, Droid RAZR.... lol
[HTC Rezound] Gahawn:
Those are all Motorola devices. There are a bunch of really smart devs out there. I'm betting it won't be long before one of them figures it out. I think if Verizon wasn't standing in the way HTC would be a lot more "friendly" to its users. There's a back door. Someone just has to find it.

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Tried the root method. I kept getting "adb server outdated" or whatever it is. Didn't work. :(
[HTC Rezound] AtLemacks:
He said "Any Android phone"... Motorola's Android phones are just as much Android and HTC lol. But, HTC is already way more helpful than Moto is.