yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Maybe your gold card needs done again

Edit I don't no if I does timeout
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
Redid the goldcard from scratch using SimpleGoldCard by Nelify 0.0.5

Jumping to DIAG...
[HTC Wildfire S] GotsOJ:
That will not time out; I waited at that screen for about 30 minutes. Which files did you unzip to your goldcard?
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
the files in PG76.ZIP - PG76DIAG.ZIP and PG76DIAG.NBH

both in the root of the goldcard

How did you get past the Jumping to DIAG screen?
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Try redoenloading the file it might have got messed up during download.
[HTC Wildfire S] djxs:
It would be worth mentioning what file system you're using on the card too.
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
http://imgur.com/CJ8uQ

I thought this was normal because it did work with someone. Redownloaded the file 5-6 times on 2 different browsers but I keep getting that message after it extracts them. The PG76DIAG.ZIP file seems corrupt or incomplete. Can you compare it with the CRC32 or verify if you get the same issue?

Also the FS is FAT32
[HTC Wildfire S] GotsOJ:
The problem with the zipped file happened to me too, but it didn't seem to matter.

My phone automatically went past the "jumping to diag" screen once I had those two files on my goldcard
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
In hboot screen sd checking and others ok, but after that nothing comes. it's on hboot screen again.

What's the problem?
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Could be that you made your goldcard differently
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Are you sure you extracted the files correctly?
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
yes i ' m sure i see this screen. But it continues with "No image or Wrong image!" .
[HTC Wildfire S] GotsOJ:
I used SimpleGoldCard to make my goldcard with model A510C.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Why are you doing this you s-off already it says at the top of your screen lol
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
i m not s-off :D it's taken for show what i saw.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Oh right sorry maybe you goldcard isn't working right.

Edit can you post a pic of the root of your sdcard
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
There is nothing in. Only files which in rar.

Edit : I made a new gold card with SimpleGoldCard and problem solved.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
So the root of your sdcard contains

PG76DIAG.zip and PG76DIAG.nbh

If so sounds like your goldcard isn't working right
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Are you s-offed now?
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
Stuck on jumping to Diag. I'm waitn now.

Edit: Problem may be hboot version. (v1.03.0000)
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Ok fingers crossed
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
I was watching a video there on goldcard and the Guy says that some SD card don't work properly so if you can try another sdcard.

If it is you hboot version how would you downgrade
[HTC Wildfire S] djxs:
That PG76DIAG.zip file inside the rar is the exactly the same as PG76DIAG.nbh, it's just renamed to a zip extension, and not a proper zip file.
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
Whats inside PG76DIAG.zip?
[HTC Wildfire S] ash_01:
eoghan2t7 can u please make a different thread for petition sign up. that way I hope we can get more signatures in a short time.
[HTC Wildfire S] victorharsh:
Message Showing Progress

I am also on,

Stuck on jumping to Diag. and HBoot-0.90 :rolleyes:
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Yeah ill make one soon
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Just done a quick Google people are saying if you get stuck on jumping to diag then your using the wrong sdcard
[HTC Wildfire S] victorharsh:
Thanks,

i will change My SD card :cool: ,and post my test results later.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
No problem ;) hope it works
[HTC Wildfire S] djxs:
It's just the PG76DIAG.nbh file renamed as PG76DIAG.zip.
[HTC Wildfire S] victorharsh:
Hi,

I changed my SD card, then make it GOLD after that i copy both extracted file (.nbh and .zip) to SD card root.

When open phone in HBOOT, on the screen display for PG76DIAG.zip file error, then again "Jumping to DIAG...", i think PG76DIAG. zip is corrupt.

need some help so i can test more on this tricky WFS. :mad::D:D
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Try deleting the PG76DIAG. zip and only have PG76DIAG.nbh on your sdcard
[HTC Wildfire S] djxs:
Have you tried just zipping the nbh and just copying that to the sdcard?

Just putting the nbh won't work since the bootloader looks for certain zip files.
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
Tried two of them. Jumping to DIAG again. Still same.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Try this to make sure your goldcard is setup right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BpsurBvTR4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[HTC Wildfire S] Lt.Win:
Any more guys getting s-off yet?
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Not yet makes me wonder.
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
GotsOJ is AWOL.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
What does AWOL mean?
[HTC Wildfire S] Tera Tike:
Maybe these links might be of help.

http://psas.revskills.de/?q=goldcard

http://www.filefactory.com/dlf/f/b1...a59051569869b75b955dcbb827/n/GoldCardTool.exe

http://jo0ls-dotnet-stuff.blogspot.com/2008/12/read-secure-digital-sd-card-serial.html
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=957245

It is same. It did it too, but still jumping to DIAG.
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
A.W.O.L. Absent With Out Leave, which means I'm skeptical of his success.
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
I passed jumping to DIAP part with Tera Tike ' s hboot.

Thanks Tera Tike.

But the problem is Cid fail.
[HTC Wildfire S] insink71:
My Attempt (Documented)

I also have a cdma wildfire s (A510c). Here goes my attempt...

1) First, I noted that GotsOJ stated that he had made his card with SimpleGoldCard; so I went and downloaded it.

Got my handy-dandy sd card reader/writer ready and proceeded to make the Gold Card using the steps found here.

Couple of helpful reminders/info, to turn usb debugging on go to Settings >> Applications >> Development and click the USB debugging checkbox; Also, I selected MMC1 to get my CID on step 2.

2) This next step provided some small confusion. GotsOJ stated that he unzipped PG76.zip to his sdcard; I had found mention of PG76.rar in previous posts, and I believe this may be what he was referring to. So, I downloaded that and extracted it to my newly made Gold Card.

3) You want to make sure Fastboot is turned off; so, you can boot into hboot and followed steps in original post...

Got some messaging:

This tool is for MAL#CT

chipset_pid: 129

but otherwise worked just as original post said it would... :) Success.

I now have S-Off without a xtc clip (which cdma wildfire s couldn't use anyway).

Perhaps this will help another.

Rob
[HTC Wildfire S] Anthony3h18:
Summary

It works on:

- A510c (cdma)

Does not work on:

- A510a

- A510e

Am I right ?
[HTC Wildfire S] insink71:
response

Apparently GotsOJ got it to work on A510c, but I thought I'd try and document the process.

Other attempts have not been successful (inc A510a & A510e); although, xtc clip would work for these phones [the cdma wildfire s have no sim port].

Rob
[HTC Wildfire S] slavaman:
I've got A510e. Getting stuck on "Jumping to DIAG" too.
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
CID Error :/ I want S-OFF!
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
I took some XTC pills with hopes of bringing S-OFF to my phone while I'm high. I can confirm that that does not work either.
[HTC Wildfire S] aparici:
Anyone can try renaming the PG76DIAG.nbh to PG76DIAG.zip of the first post of this tread an putting both files on the gold card and following the tutorial? I'll try but i can't now, i'm on work.
[HTC Wildfire S] snyker:
I try it renaming the both files from eoghan2t7's.

But I have the same message :

[1] MFG DIAG

Security fail!

Update fail!

I work on A510E....

Try on another phone....

Thanks
[HTC Wildfire S] aparici:
Ok, i think that the chinese forum has a modified version of those files, so we have to wait to the 16/11 to release the files for the a510e
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
So we need to wait till Wednesday? Is it confirmed somehow?
[HTC Wildfire S] nowhat?:
Tried.. security fail..update fail.... :(

will the modified files be available on 16th for sure???

really want to s off... no internal memory... plz reply..
[HTC Wildfire S] :
Now some really interesting info.

Original Wildfire users have also digged into this problem:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=955447&page=5

It's a lot more than just flashing that nbh file.

So to the developers: check this out!!

Hope this helps
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
Those involved in the Wildfire S S-OFF issue should meet up on IRC for better communication.

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Channel: #wildfire-s
[HTC Wildfire S] GotsOJ:
I've been AWOL because I've been trying to fix my phone.

S-off went smoothly. When I tried to flash a new ROM onto my phone, it bricked. Now it only vibrates 3 times and won't load into bootloader.

Everyone proceed with caution!
[HTC Wildfire S] newklear85:
:eek: !!!!!!!!!
[HTC Wildfire S] billclay1988:
Every pioneer has to face the possibility of getting hit by an arrow. We appreciate your sacrifice to the cause. :(
[HTC Wildfire S] GotsOJ:
Looks like I'm stuck in qualcomm diagnostics...is there a way to get out? Can't find anything online
[HTC Wildfire S] insink71:
Not Sure

I believe if you are referring to the tool the goldcard throws you into, you can do a battery pull, then reboot. Reformat your sdcard to normal or use another one; so you don't have that loop every time you enter hboot.

Rob

For those of you with Virgin US phones, this does seem to work. See my other post.
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
So we wait for Wednesday then!
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
I apologizes sir, its just that you disappeared so quickly after s-off. You should have stuck around a lil longer and tried to help a few others incase of problems like the one your facing now.
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
So the "PG76.zip" came from cdma WFS, how can we get a gsm version of this file?
[HTC Wildfire S] nadmail:
it's wednesday

is the file out yet for a510e?
[HTC Wildfire S] pinussen:
It's Tuesday :p
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Its Friday Friday lol had to :p

Go sign the petition in the dev forum
[HTC Wildfire S] ezekionokia:
Could a moderator rename the topic to "s-off without a XTC - cdma only" so as not to brick any more newbie devices :D ?
[HTC Wildfire S] Lt.Win:
Good idea, this will prevent 99% of the noobs not to try this :P
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
BUT! It doesn't work on GSM. It just wipes off apps (some kind of factory reset). Not possible to brick GSM version
[HTC Wildfire S] Lt.Win:
Some (Maybe) Vital information

I'm using the A510e here,

I tried this procedure with the .nbh file, completes everything until CID Set FAIL! in the red box at the bottom.

I tried it according to this method, gets stuck on JUMPING TO DIAG... part.

My phone isn't sim locked, it's still S-ON.

I hope this information helped.

EDIT: Okay, the above didn't work, I went mad, zipped the .nbh file into PG76DIAG.zip, skipped jumping to DIAG (wow)

CID Set FAIL.

D:

EDIT 2: By the way, this doesn't come. Instead of this, the CID error comes.
[HTC Wildfire S] Lt.Win:
Just waitin' for tomorrow, the official release of the long awaited (hopefully working) un-official bootloader unlock. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[HTC Wildfire S] No.12:
I hope tomorrow will be the D Day for us having A510e. :-)

Sent from HTC
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
If it will come tomorrow I'll be glad, 'cause I didn't spend 20€ for XTC :D

I hope that too!
[HTC Wildfire S] nowhat?:
Please come fast....... Tomorrow!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:D

Tomorrow is our Day!!!!!!! :D:D
[HTC Wildfire S] mxvc200:
Hey is the bootloader unloc coming tommorow?? who is making or will be making or releasing it???? thanxxxxx
[HTC Wildfire S] b02:
I can`t wait this day to pass... kinda.... :D

but then, i know i will wait few days so devs confirm it working, and not finish up bricking a phone like the one of the guys that was on this thread ....
[HTC Wildfire S] No.12:
Hope that Chinese google translate wasn't fake. :-)

Sent from HTC
[HTC Wildfire S] victorharsh:
Hope so, if Official Bootlooder comes for WFS :eek::eek: , its will be nice, so we can explorer more things for WFS (Small Phone :D )........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

HTC plz release Bootloader for WFS:), i am u got lots of thnaks from all of your Customers, Developers and Testers(I am also :D )............

If HTC's answer is "No" then...... :mad::mad::mad::mad::p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
Sign the petition ;) in the dev forum.
[HTC Wildfire S] arkatis:
From where did you guys hear that the boot loader of WFS will be unlockable?

Is it official or is it a lie? :confused::confused:
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
Just a reminder! China is couple of hours ahead of us, so they will have tomorrow now?(or something like that). So Europeans could expect something maybe even around 6-7am!
[HTC Wildfire S] imlgl:
Personally, I think that it is a hoax. Just my opinion haha.
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
Well.... other S phones are OFF now so it's not so difficult to "crack" the phone, without XTC :)
[HTC Wildfire S] arkatis:
The thing is that wildfire s was released on May 2011 and still no s-off boot loader.

I think HTC doesn't give a sh.t for this phone. :(

Tomorrow we will have the same news as of this week, last week, last month e.t.c :mad:
[HTC Wildfire S] jugalde666:
I did everything that appears in the pictures, but when I clean the phone restarts S58 and is s-on ????? I am doing wrong??
[HTC Wildfire S] mars83:
It's not high-end phone. Sensation, Evo etc these phones are high-end. So demand on them is also high. So think now which phone will be supported/cracked by devs...
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
can someone with s-off

try this command please from fastboot it will dump your hboot to you sdcard and upload it for a tester to flash please

fastboot oem saveprt2sd hboot hbootpart.img

or

fastboot oem saveprt2sd hboot -n hbootpart.img -a

and someone with s-on try this, that code is meant to s-off aswel

fastboot oem writeconfig 7 0

i got this info from here

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17725327&postcount=2
[HTC Wildfire S] arkatis:
Yes i know that it is not a High End phone..HTC should support all of their phones though to keep their customers happy i suppose..

My wife needs her phone s-off...!! :D
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
To use fastboot command, firstly you must navigate to which file contains fastboot.exe . It must be in Android sdk/tool. Or you can download Andro.rar and unzip it to c:/. Then open cmd, type in command prompt; cd c:\Andro. Then you can use fastboot. But there is another, htc does not let use oem which is not unlocked by them.

Try, maybe i m wrong.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
thats only the adb.exe you need the fastboot.exe maybe thats why it didn't work for you so down load this and boot into hboot and select fastboot and run the command

use this

http://www.mediafire.com/?sp17m48delfgn85
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
Really? Did you look inside it what contains? It has fastboot, abd and AdbWinApi.dll. You can root your phone with adb root command too when you re using fastboot usb. But don't forget this phones are s-on. I think it won't let you use fastboot oem writeconfig 7 0.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
U no I want a s-on user to use the command ;)
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
sorry i tried to say s-on not s-off
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
it will allow to to use the command because from what i remember in fastboot mode you get full root access to the file system partitions

---------- Post added at 11:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:17 PM ----------

if your phone is s-off could you try this command please

fastboot oem saveprt2sd hboot hbootpart.img

or

fastboot oem saveprt2sd hboot -n hbootpart.img -a
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
No you missunderstand me. It's s-on and that picture show you can't use fastboot oem with. And the second part is what you can use with fastboot.
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
can you do fastboot devices to make sure your device is connected
[HTC Wildfire S] baddboyy:
Of course i'm sure. U kidding? This devices are s-on. Security won't let you to do that, sorry. Not only this you can't do:

fastboot oem writeconfig 7 0

fastboot oem ulock

adb root

etc.

Edit: I didnt mean you can't do that all phones which s-on. You can the others. But HTC blocks to use this commands. And if they let you official unlock they give a upgrade for phones and makes this possible. That s what htcdev use too. Fastboot oem ....
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
damn then it looks like we need a s-offed user to get a dump of there hboot to flash

thanks for testing ;)
[HTC Wildfire S] meanmug:
bumpithy bump
[HTC Wildfire S] nadmail:
if you want the image, why don't you just ask jcase on irc? he's on right now
[HTC Wildfire S] eoghan2t7:
whats his irc channel?
[HTC Wildfire S] nadmail:
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...txt=Web Chat&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13214081139251
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] LeoTheRomRasta:
Where's it at... Lol.. Just upgraded from T959 on MIUI revamped.. Im starting to realize how spoiled i was as far a dev on vibrant!!!! Any info would be greatly appreciated
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] DarkMD:
Its possible to hack bbm? and put it on a Android?
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] crobat:
I believe thats not allowed, might be a copyright infringement of sorts...
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] DarkMD:
In the web are some rumors... So is a possibility that can be done a port???
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] crobat:
Hmm....it may be possible, but porting over a whole OS is not going to be an easy feat. Maybe porting a theme would be easier.
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] jp23:
i read a few months ago, that RIM it's gonna use Android as a bridge to make BBM compatible with the new playbook and the new OS QNX
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] DarkMD:
Im not talking about port Blackberry OS... just only the Blackberry Messenger =)
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] boombotz401:
Rumors of this have been circling around the web for awhile now ...i was hopeful any first when it was said to be shown off at blackberry devcon but that has come and gone i used to bbm for the Smileys lol the rumors have been quiet and i doubt this will actually happen but we can all hope... .

As for a hack impossible bbm uses pin numbers that go through bis (blackberry internet servers) that only blackberry has access to..rim would have to port it themselves

Hope this helps
[Milestone XT720 Themes and Apps] boombotz401:
Also rim is somewhat using android with qnx but i think its just an app called android player allowing qnx users to run android apps but i believe the devs have to update there apps to work with it ..so i would start looking into this rumor once qnx starts to release until then i think were just farting in fire looking for rumors

if I helped in any way hit that thanks button!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] fonewiz:
Does anyone have a suggestion for a good torch app, that works on the Skyrocket? I was using Nexus Torch but it started giving me problems.

Looking for a widget app that someone is currently using successfully on the Skyrocket.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] scoot05redss:
TeslaLED, Love it, great control, lots of setting and works without a hitch!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] CZ Eddie:
I use "Flashlight". It lets you select any type of light, from normal to strobe. About 4 or 6 different options. And you can select the default option and add the widget to your desktop for one-touch flashlight turning on.

https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5kZXZ1bmkuZmxhc2hsaWdodCJd

Some custom ROM's like BeastMOD have this type of function built into the notifications bar.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727] -Kevlar-:
x5834572983450298345603298645
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] StrangeShadow:
Hey, Just picked mine up today, been holding off on the Inspire cause I was waiting for the "holiday."

New to android, from WM 6.5.

Just wondering what are must have Apps?

I noticed some people have battery percentage % numbers in the upper left corner, like the battery clock app for WM, anyone know if that's an App, if so what it is?

Thanks
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
This'll get you started ;)

Adfree

AirPush Detector

Alarm Clock Plus

Android System Info

Appbrain App Market

ArchiDroid (unzips and extracts file formats)

BetterBatteryStats (provides information on wakelocks)

Calendar in Status Bar (provides day of the week and date)

Call Confirm (requires an extra confirmation before calling someone, preventing accidental calls)

Call End Tone (vibrate and/or tone on the end of calls so you'll never hold your ear to the phone if someone inadvertently hangs up.

CPU Spy (gives percentages that your device spends in each CPU frequency and deep sleep)

Desktop Visualizer (provides a lot of customization options through creating custom widgets and icons)

Disk Usage (shows you where memory is being used)

Download All Files

Dropbox (cloud storage)

Elixir (multipurpose)

File Manager

Folder Organizer

Free App of the Day Notifier (for the Amazon Appstore)

Google Voice (visual voicemail)

Home Manager

IntoNow (like Shazam, for TV shows - it's amazing, try it out)

MediaConverter

Miren Browser

Movies (by flixster)

MyAppSharer

Next Alarm (widget that shows the next alarm if one is set)

Opera Mobile

Pandora

Phonalyzr (provides cool stats on who/when you call and text the most)

Poynt

QuickPic (gallery application - I think it's better than any stock gallery)

RealSilent (allows you to mute media volume when your phone goes into silent)

Ringdroid (create custom ringtones)

Root Explorer (file manager for root users)

ScoreMobile (sports scores)

Shazam

Signal Sense (turns airplane mode on if there is no signal, then back on to search for a signal after a defined set of time)

Slk Notifications for Facebook

Smart Keyboard Pro

Smart Taskbar

Status Note

Tasker (does everything lol)

Titanium Backup

TV Listings

Watchdog (task manager)

Where's My Droid Power

Widgetlocker
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] StrangeShadow:
Awesome!!!

Never Expected a reply so fast!

Thanks!!! (added)
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] radi0chik:
Just curious how old this list is :P

I'd never heard of Slik Notifications for Facebook and cannot find it in the market.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Simba501:
Not old at all actually. The day I created it, I went through my installed applications and hand picked them. It was called something else and they changed the name only very recently.

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.lukekorth.facebookNotifications

Edit: Also just realized there was a typo in my original post. It's fixed now.

Sent from my Galaxy S2
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] Rainmak3r:
that app never worked fine for me... I use another app called "MB Notifications for FB (Free)" (had a different name before but was suspended by Facebook for a while and had to change name)

market.android.com/details?id=org.mikebannion.fbnotificationsFree

I'm thinking of buying the pro version since the app is quite cool
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] penguinfishies:
Just bought a stylus. Was hoping it'd work on the vivid! If so, are there any note taking apps that are really nice? Thanks!
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] envygreen:
I use evernote with skitch, but there are more 'notebook' style apps out there that I'm only vaguely familiar with. Anyone else have suggestions? Also, which stylus did you get? I was thinking about getting one for use with my nook and vivid.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] dashingdon:
Does stylus work on Vivid ? Can you confirm please ..

Thanks
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] envygreen:
Any stylus should work, it's a matter of how well it works. without the custom software like the htc flyer and with the big footprint of most stylii, notes seem to take up way too much real estate on my phone, but acceptable on tablet. Personal preference though.
[HTC Vivid, Raider, Velocity] rquinn19:
Not true. Has to t least be capacitive.