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[G2 and Desire Z General] kingston73:
I've accepted the fact that I'll most likely not sell my g2 as by the time I upgrade to something new it'll be maybe a $100 phone, if that. The more new gen phones that are released the more the g2 will decrease in value. It's already starting to happen with the sensation, look on ebay. The sensation used to sell for over $400 on ebay but lately it's only been around $300, mainly because everybody wants the amaze and gsII now. Yes, the g2 is a really good phone but it's over a year old now, which is ancient for tech.

Don't get me wrong, like the rest of you I love my phone, at 1.2 ghz it's just as fast as a stock sensation, if not faster.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
The Desire Z is an good phone. Though it would have been better if it had more ram
[G2 and Desire Z General] d_gkal:
768 ram would be perfect!

but desire z is a vfm headset!

love it
[G2 and Desire Z General] dravenkill:
wow htc dz/g2 is really underestimated. nothing more convenient to me than an option to switch from visual to physical keyboard. the 800mhz cpu is underclocked tho. i am running 1.1ghz and it works like what a smartphone supposed to work.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lo_sangeles:
Yeah, my friends htc incredibles are all glitchy and battery drains. My G2 is never let me down, now that I rooted it and put cm7.1 on it I am happier than before.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CCpotter:
My desire Z means a lot to me. i don't think i will sell it and get another one.

You may try post you cellphone here and see if any people in this forum will buy it for some other uses
[G2 and Desire Z General] WTF?:
Worthless? WTF? What are you smokin? :eek:

You are damn lucky to find a new one on ebay for less than $350, I would call that amazing resale value for a phone that is over a year old.

Like any great phone, if you kept it in great condition, it is still worth a lot, on the other hand, if you beat yours to hell and back, then maybe not so much!
[G2 and Desire Z General] fedtemis:
I'm quite satisfied with my desire z. I rooted it the first day I got it, and flashed CM7(don't care for sense). I have it running at 1113 mhz, along with juicedefender, the phone then runs smooth, without hogging the battery.

I love the flip out keyboard, but I see the problem with it sliding out in the pocket. As a solution I've bought a pouch for it, which also comes in handy since I have ditched my wallet, and now carry all my cards in the pouch as well.

Only downside is, if I lose my phone, i'm pretty much screwed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
768 MB is a little on the lower side. To run multiple apps like Firefox when you have sense, 1GB would be more adequate.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MrEzzzkiel:
love this phone... couldn't live without it...

now leave britney alone!
[G2 and Desire Z General] LooieENG:
Oh, don't get me wrong I love my DZ, but I feel like upgrading...

The XE is a dual core 1.5GHz so should easily last 1.5-2 years without falling behind, and also, if it's been rooted, it can be under clocked to 1GHz dual core or even less (800MHz dual core) which would still make it quick and improve battery life a lot which is very important (to be fair, I do charge it every night anyway but it can just last two on one charge with my DZ already with light use)

Also, I use it for a few hours every day on the way to/from work listening to music so the enhanced audio is a big plus for me (although still need to read up and make sure it really is a big improvement) and it looks really nice too. Plus, the hardware keyboard isn't much of a deal breaker any more...it was at first, but now I just use Swype all of the time

By worthless, I just mean it seems to have lost a lot of value compared to the price of a new phone (I was thinking about just selling my DZ, and buying the SE pay as you go and keeping my contract)

Decisions, decisions!
[G2 and Desire Z General] convolution:
At the current pace, ALL phones depreciate value very quickly. End of discussion.
[G2 and Desire Z General] WTF?:
the G2/Desire-Z have held a higher % or their original value after over a year than any phone I can think of, they still command about 70% of the launch price for new ones on ebay - WOW!

so I would call it the far end of the "worthless" scale, all other phones of similar age are MORE worthless!!

and the reason for such high resale value is, people have realized what a great phone they are, the last phone before the manufacturer's really started cheaping out, what other phone combines great looks, style, reliability and speed and has a GREAT keyboard? - answer me that, and I will upgrade my G2 - the problem is, there are none!
[G2 and Desire Z General] ptesmoke:
Maybe on a ****ty windows laptop. If your running a browser and a few apps and your phone needs more than 512mb of ram u gots probs bro.
[G2 and Desire Z General] WTF?:
+1 on this, I am running anything and everything on my G2 and I am using 97MB at the moment, I always have 250MB+ free and this thing only came with 512MB which is PLENTY!
[G2 and Desire Z General] crazy talk:
how? i'm running CM7 and after a fresh boot i only have ~190MB free. quickly goes down to ~60MB under normal use.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Whippler:
Great phone, looks great, has directional pad, I was kind of disappointed to sgsII's huge ugly home button not being a touch-pad.

my phone is around 11 months old now, the hinge hasn't changed a bit, works still just fine. haven't seen any loss in battery life, tough its been improved by custom roms. I'm runing MIUI, and when its time to get a new phone, before i get anything, ill probably check if MIUI is available. i'v kept the cpu speed around 1 to 1.2Ghz.

I don't get the race to most thinnest phone, just make the battery double thick, and double the capacity, on those fancy pancaked phones. and keep the battery easily removable, unlike Motorola razr so when everything freezes, i can pull out the power and boot it back up again.

qwerty is really nice for some nintendo emulator play, only lacks shoulder buttons. fifth row for number could have been nice.

512mb ram, whats whit my rom saying 249mb used, 72mb free? it doesn't add up. hmm could be runing apps, whiout system ram usage counted.

next qwerty phone thats coming seems to be droid 4 looks interesting, but ill hold on to this as long as possible.
[G2 and Desire Z General] add119:
People you forgot to say it u can overclock desire z to have htc g2 stock rom and overclock it 1.8 ghz

about ram being 512mb it make my phone goes 350 mb free t-mobile ota g2 gingerbread update. the other 162+mb ram is for android operating system to have.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
Get Firefox for Android on a sense based rom then sync it with your desktop Firefox and let me know how that goes.

Tried it with the G2, and it kept shutting down the music app if i tried running it in the background.

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[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
When you guys choose to upgrade or jump ship from the Desire Z/ G2 you should make a point of considering the HTC MyTouch 4G Slide. Its like the hybrid child of the Sensation and G2 with a superior camera! Whith the form factor of the G2 and the internals of the Sensation, it has to be the best phone out there. And thanx to the 3.69mm lens it takes amazing photos in low light.

I got the phone while i waited for my G2's dead lcd screen to be replaced and I think i might just stick with it in favor over the G2. It is definitely a keeper!

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[G2 and Desire Z General] haxn2:
Good speakers? Sorry, but NO WAY!

i think the biggest disadvantages are:

- screen needs to much energy

- the phone is too heavy

- speakers are lousy

the rest is fine. i like the big community!
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
You got it backwards lol! Happens to all of us at some point...

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yeah, yeah, yeah, we ALL know about the MTS4G but thats only for US. Our desire z brothers are left out in the cold. We can't have that! It's a nice device (my wife has one) but it lacks the style of the G2. It's very plastic-ish looking (like a Samsuck) and is actually bigger than our G2 and seemingly heavier. It does perform well (even stock Sense 3.0) speed wise. I think most of us wanting to upgrade (G3 or equivalent) would like to have 256MB more RAM than the MT4GS and the newer S4 chipset. Some may say.... blah! blah! blah! quadcore! blah blah! But I'd rather have the newer old style 1.5 dual core S4 with improved GPU and major power efficiency compared to other older dual core. Makes more sense to me than a new 1st version quadcore that's gonna suck my battery quicker than a whore on coke. I hope we see something by late summer or I might jump to the Droid 4 fully unlocked bootloader or not (probably not ;)) I need me qwerty! plus, tmobile usa blows now. okay, I'm done :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] amp:
I have felt the myTouch slide but I wasn't convinced. Have to say that the G2 is a rare breed of its own. But can somebody verify if the slide will be getting ICS? It would be a slight advantage to be honest.
[G2 and Desire Z General] philippecr:
Desire Z is still the BEST hardware QWERTY keyboard android phone out there. Unrivaled & undeniable.

Tell me which phone which has hardware keyboard which is better then Desire Z? (International phone pls, which means other then MyTouch 4G Slide)
[G2 and Desire Z General] ohshootrawr:
Found the specs on the mt4gs on the internet. Its actually slightly slightly SLIGHTLY lighter. I'm talking a few grams. Haha. I agree though, it's a sensible upgrade from our g2, as EVERY aspect of the phone is just better. Perhaps the looks could've been improved, but a decent sacrifice for a phone that can and will outperform our device.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Bruce lee roy:
Nexus S FTW!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Litestar:
I just cannot agree with you.

maybe all the smart phones today will be worthless in future.

just love our phones and make full use of it
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
Only in the US? The unlock procedure is very easy. A few codes on the terminal emulator and the phone is unlocked to any network.

I also had a problem with the plastic at first, but when I actually got the phone never really saw much difference between the two now that I had covers on both phones when I used the G2 and now that I am on the the MT4GS.

The MT4GS is an all round better phone BY FAR! and the ugly speaker grill is something small to overlook for that. In my experience, I find both keyboards on the G2 and MT4GS the same, that's from my personal experience, not some 10 webpage/ 15min YouTube video review.

Plus I have to say, we wont be seeing Quad Cores any time soon on cellphones. On tablets maybe but not on cellphones. That's until they shrink the die enough to allow a reasonable battery life with a <1900mAh battery.

I can bet on the MT4GS getting an official ICS update now that its internals are identical to the Sensation's, which HTC confirmed is getting the update.

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Not forgetting the dual core chip it has can be overclocked, and the camera performance in the dark. :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
Yes, all G2 owners looking to upgrade should definitely move to the MT4GS!

It's getting a good amount of love now. Lots of new roms have come out over the past month or so. CM9 is in the works as well! What are you waiting for?

The more support it gets, the better the community becomes, so hop on!

I have already jumped ship. Waiting for my new phone to come in :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
It won't get ics official, its not in the first wave, and the second wave has been announced, and its not even in there. Even the Desire HD and S are getting it, but the mytouch 4g slide hasn't been included in the second wave. Also doubt it will be in the third wave if there is one
[G2 and Desire Z General] xT4Z1N4TRx:
And they would have to make a new version of espresso sense 4, which they won't do because LG has taken over the mytouch brand (I think)
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
Dont forget the MT4GS was made for T-Mobile, and HTC doesnt have a non T-Mobile version. If theres anybody to say anything about such updates it should be T-Mobile. So what does T-Mobile has to say about that?

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[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
As someone else mentioned, the 4G Slide has the same internals as the Sensation 4G, and that will be getting ICS. So with a little luck the slide will also get a port, albeit unofficial.

The device has already been picked up by 2 of the main dev teams, CM and Virtuous. What more do you want?

It's much better off than some of the other phones I've seen i.e. Cliq 2, Sidekick 4G
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
The only people who don't have anything good to say about it are those who haven't owned or used the device
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
First Android device I got, this phone is SOLID. I've overclocked it to 1,5GHz and set it up to scale down as battery drains. I can play games like Shadowgun or the Quake3 port and they have ZERO stutter. I can crank up the volume while playing music in my headphones till my ears bleed! (No I'm not a masochist.) It also has a fairly big community and top notch DEVTeams like CM and Virtuous...What else can you ask for?

While some argue that the 367MB of RAM we get doesn't compliment multitasking too much, it is still more than enough to carry out all sorts of tasks. Besides there's supercharger and all sorts of optimizations...
[G2 and Desire Z General] manga23:
It does not "look good" and It's not iphonish...

but If you really consider what it has instead of what it has not... it's a great phone

The only 2 cons I've found are not enough internal memory and it's a little too heavy...
[G2 and Desire Z General] redpoint73:
Have to disagree. Of course its a matter of personal taste, but the G2/DZ is a nice looking phone to me. Not too angular, not too curved, and the combination of brushed metal and soft-touch plastic is reserved but sleek.

iPhone is looking very boring these days, especially since it essentially has not changed appearance over its 5 iterations, aside from the flat glass back on the 4 and 4s.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jessv3:
Like the OP I have recently started to get a little board with my DZ, I have had it since release which was Nov 2010 and I paid a fair bit for it ($700 AUD). The drop in value is something that I have noticed as well, the DZ might be holding up well to other Android devices but when you compare it to something like an iPhone 3GS which is still 2yrs older then a DZ yet still is a staggering $399 on Optus prepaid, where as you can buy an unlocked DZ new for $350 (these are all AU prices). I noticed a huge drop in the value of the DZ around 6 months ago, it has since stagnated but to see it drop 50% in value in less than 1 year was a little disconcerting.

This was the phone I was sure I would keep for 2 years, and the news that there would be no ICS official release certainly made me "itchy" for a newer handset, but to try and contain this itch I have recently gave my phone a much needed refresh, I have taken off my old rubberised cover which made the phone too bulky, I have replaced the rear battery door with a new one so that the rear of the phone is no longer scratched with signs of wear, I have downloaded new wallpapers and themes and put on a few new ringtones. My bond with the phone has instantly increased and I think I can hold off for at least another 3-6 months now, perhaps the OP should look into a similar “refresher”, otherwise you can always root to ICS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] alpha-niner64:
I got my G2 for $140 shipped in 8.5/10 condition, so I'm kinda thankful for the depreciated pricing. Phones that go back as far as the HD2 still have a lot of potential and I'll never really get the need to upgrade constantly. Doesn't that kinda go against what a mod community is all about? Trying to get the most for your dollar?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
I always get the most for my dollar. But I like to have the latest and best handset available. Lucky for me, I don't have to switch too often. Considering QWERTY phones are becoming quite rare these days.

The ol' girl was starting to let me down in certain aspects as well (GTA 3)
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
IMO GTA3 for Android was just terribly optimized last minute work. I mean, look at the requirements for GTA3 for the PC version and the Phone version. Now I understand that and android device and a normal computer are two completely different piece of hardware but that just a ridiculous offset.

And honestly, having the "latest and best" is all just marketing baloney.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dropedout:
Less wheigt, thinner size and no fading backside.

But, i love my HTC Desire Z!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zombie Steve Jobs:
I am starting to get a bit tired of my G2. But I will always think its a great phone. The weight doesn't bother me, it makes me think it is solid. I love the Z hinge. I don't hold it upside down, so I never have issues. The keyboard is great. Rooting made a huge difference. I have had super fast ROMs and overclocked to over 1Ghz, and I am currently using a ROM WHERE I GET 30+ hours of use on a single charge. But, haters gonna hate.

Rooted w/ S-OFF

Current ROM : G2Slim 1.6

Radio : 26.13.04.19_M.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Android_Monsters:
I think in the end google will have to come up with a new solution for giving us a keyboard. Probably projectors
[G2 and Desire Z General] pepar0:
How about a THIN slide out capacitive touch keyboard?

The Desire Z is still quite capable/productive, given a few tweaks.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Slide out capacitive keyboard wouldn't interest me at all. The point of the keyboard for me is so that I can type more quickly and barely look at the keyboard. Can't do that with capacitive keys. Call me a stick in the mud, but I even hate the capacitive home/menu/back/search buttons. Every day I wish this thing had physical buttons on the face like my old Desire :-/
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
MyTouch 4G Slide?? :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
It's a Tmob only phone. And honestly I'd just wait for the G3 which most of us will jump to.

Fun times indeed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
I wouldn't hold your breath. The G series of phones has never been all that successful, so I doubt HTC will make a new one.

The G1 was underwhelming as a phone and was more of a showcase for the Android platform than anything else.

The G2 has had its fair share of PR nightmares with the hinge "issue," and was promptly killed off in the wake of the 4G Slide release.

And with all the other high end phones coming out (even from HTC themselves), they probably see very little reason to slap the G moniker on a new phone, unless it's for pure nostalgia's sake.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
To be fair the "G moniker" was for the T-Mob G1 and G2 counterparts of the Dream and Vision respectively. What you could imagine as a "G3" would be the next HTC device that has a physical keyboard. That's what I was referring to anyway. :P
[G2 and Desire Z General] amp:
I'd easily get the 'G3' in the future. All assuming it contains the new S4 chips or Cortex for the year. I doubt the next Google supported phone would have a hardware keyboard.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
But that's the main driver for G series phones. If you take away that, all you're left with is another android touchscreen smartphone (they're all the same to me, more or less)
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
yeah, the s4 is one super chipset! The Ville (maybe aka One) will be the first to house it and it's probably going to be a world model. It seemed to outbench the Tegra 3! Most do look the same... I totally agree. They also confirmed at G4x for tmobile. A quadcore device lol! That just sounds stupid to me on anything but a tablet or laptop variation. Can you imagine the battery life? And with LG running it, they're sure to screw it up. You can check tmonews.com for all those things. Just hope we see a qwerty soon....
[G2 and Desire Z General] WTF?:
Sure - I would be happy to buy a new phone, just as soon as you can invent a phone that has the G2's reliability, developer support, style, at least as good of a real keyboard, display quality, and make sure it works with T-mobile so I can have unlimited everything, including wifi hotspot, free tethering and free wifi calling, and no overage charges possible for only $60/month no-contract! :eek:

Yeah, that's what I thought, the G2 has no upgrade that can be made, because it is the best phone/carrier combo out there!

But I do wish there was a magical way to have the reception in rural area and LTE deep building penetration that I envy on Verizon (but I don't envy paying nearly $200/month for the features listed above!)
[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
So you don't want a T-Mobile phone (doubleshot) but you want a T-Mobile phone(G3)?

See anything wrong with that?

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[G2 and Desire Z General] cybot_x1024:
Reliability- both G2 and doubleshot are built by HTC so I know (from experience) they did an equally good job.

Developers- devs are in direct proportion to phone owners/users

Keyboard, display, works with T-Mobile - they both do captain obvious

Upgrade - single core scorpion @ 800mhz vs dual core snapdragon @ 1.2ghz(at least 3x more muscle);

adreno 205 vs adreno 220 ( at least 4x more gpu horsepower)

5Mpx camera(720p video) vs 8Mpx camera(1080p video) fyi with waaay better low light performance.

Single camera vs dual camera (video call capable)

512mb vs 768mb ram

14mbps vs 21mbps radio

I can't think of anything they've failed to improve on.

If you think atleast 3X more horsepower and more refined features aren't an upgrade I don't think there's ever going to be a device good enough for you.

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[G2 and Desire Z General] MrAndroid12:
Because HTC releases too many flagship devices a year.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crestofawave:
I was talking about the next HTC universally shipped device that will include a physical keyboard. Matter of fact, it was my mistake to refer to it as a "G3".
[G2 and Desire Z General] tapeworm4602:
The resale value is relative to the industry. It goes without saying, no matter what we purchase, the value is going to decline rapidly soon after. I personally am satisfied with my G2. It's capabilities are impressive, the development is always a certainty and it's practical. Rock solid, imho.
[G2 and Desire Z General] buxtahuda:
I agree with plenty that I read here, this phone is the best in my eyes. Plenty of other cool phones, but each generation has less and less models with physical keyboards. Always a must for me.

And I'm happy they're so cheap :D I can get replacement parts so easily! lol, sucks for people wanting to abandon it. I have had nothing but great experiences with this phone, especially with all our great dev's and porters. I've always felt up-to-date on my phone, aside from its actual age, and as mentioned I have a phone that can last an entire camping trip/festival weekend! Indispensable.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtmaster303:
Since T-Mobile is starting to run out of G2 phones as warranty replacements, they have been giving the 4G Slide as replacement.

That said, it hasn't stopped prices for this phone to drop like a rock. My suggestion if you don't want to eat too much depreciation value, sell your G2 now. Moved to the 4G Slide with a net $50 investment, all through ebay. Not bad in my opinion for hardware that's more than twice as fast in many respects. Chances are if you want a G2 again down the road, you'll be able to pick it up for even less than what you sold it for.
[G2 and Desire Z General] buxtahuda:
Don't think I could. I don't do contracts anymore (stay locked in at my low cost for unlimited data), so it'll always be full price and then I've done so much personal damage to the phone I doubt anything warranty would cover it. Since I don't do contracts, I would guess the warranty is just a year, which I'm past.