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[Eee Pad Transformer General] lathanub:
I sell iPad 2 devices and haven't seen this amazing comparison between the two devices in regards to battery life... My Transformer has lasted longer than the iPad many times so I don't know, every device is different I guess!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stumpyz9:
i dont care what your running, when you start up android, basically every app you have auto starts up. that is why when your phone starts up you cant just hop on and use it that second. get a task killer. if you want to do a test like this, please do it correctly before ranting to the community.

1. each device fully charged

2. kill all running tasks/apps on each device

3. either do the exact same thing on each device(with the same wifi/3g or whatever) or keep them idle and only check every hour

theese arent the best ways to test but there a whole lot more accurate then what you were doing
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
No one should be a fan of anything. If you think having better battery life is the most important part of your tablet experience, then get the ipad 2.

For me, the flexibility of android trumps the ipad's battery life. But that's just me.

This is capitalism. We shoudn't have a team mentality here. If you think the ipad suits your needs better, then get it. No drama here.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
ok a few problems with that rant first as someone above said you were using cpu spy which uses resources and seccond turning on and off the tablet is the largest and quickest way to lose battery. when i reboot i expect to loose about 3% battery because of the power required so that 5% is perfectly reasonable
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Mutnat:
Tell me about it, I'm still a BlackBerry fan! (For smartphone, not for tablet.) I've had that "losing team" feeling for a while. You get used to it. Use the product you love, not the one you think is most popular.

I've never tried that one. Used to use newsr, but lately been using Google's own Reader app for Android. Been very happy with it. Might be worth a shot if you haven't tried it. It's optimized for tablets too.

Well, you know, I read this, and I can't help but think, and sorry to be rude but... honestly, "who cares????". Are you away from electricity for more than 2-3 days at a time more than once a year? Maybe you like taking week-long camping trips to campsites with no electricity? Maybe? I don't know, but for most people I know, 2-3 days is tons. I just charge mine up overnight, so I never have any downtime due to charging. I'm struggling to see what the big deal is. I mean, yes, 2-3 days is less than a week, but does this really affect you?

Cheers!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
I don't really think it's possible to match iOS in battery life...

1. It's real multi tasking on Android, apps consumes more power

2. Android itself is not as efficient as iOS (java vs Objective-C)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
I would be skeptical of any device that after 8 hours (assuming you sleep eight hours) still reports 100% battery.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
It's not impossible, my captivate does this with certain firmware.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] scoobdude:
3 points I want to bring up.

1 age of battery. It sounds like you have had the TF longer than the ipad. Which may say that the battery has not been calibrated correctly yet. Also older batteries lose their charge.

2 multitasking. Android actually leaves open apps and processes running. Ios will freeze or suspend them. Android's approach will use more battery.

3 your approach at testing such stats could use some improvement. For one, you could look at the processes running in stead of the apps or the open window list. That list is very innacurate at showing what is actually open.

Lastly imho how long either of these stay on is not really a point I would consider bickering about. For what the TF and ipad do the battery life is well past my expectations. Laptops and netbooks seem like a waste of money now for a good portion of the population in comparison to the computing power, portability and battery life of a tab.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
Not until a tablet that I can type without lag, get a full office suite that handles more than one document and store a single file larger than 4GB, lol:o

These are just some basic stuff on PC.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Larrikin:
I own an iPad 1 and a transformer. I use my iPad most days and my transformer about two or three times a week. The iPad still last longer. I don't see why everyone is so defensive about it, the iPad does last longer.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sdelliott31:
They OP said how he feels and that the didn't want to start a war. I don't understand why every thread is criticized by someone. End mini rant.

I have the OG iPad and the TF. The battery is better on the iPad. However the keyboard dock and additional charge time is nice. We can get into battery size and calibration and how OS runs background apps and battery drain. I'm just saying battery wise I agree with you, but compared to the Galaxy Tab and Dell Streak 7 I'm pretty pleased with the TF battery. I wish I could do that with my Motorola Atrix.

I'm ok with custom roms. They are fun and can help also with battery life.

Best of luck.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
I completely with this. My experience with the ipad tells me the same thing. Battery does last longer with the ipad. That said, to me all the advantages of android outweighs (by a lot) the battery disadvantage.

Again, to the op. If you feel battery is the most important thing about a tablet, then I recommend you go with the ipad. I am not a fan of anything. I simply want what's best for everyone.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stcardinal:
The ipad is simple, it's like a toaster. But the Android is like a toaster oven. Of course it'll drain more batteries. Might as well go back to a chalkboard, that'll drain even less if any battery at all.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
Why should it drain any battery at standby mode? Toaster or oven should not drain battery when it is not use. This means Asus Transformer is draining battery due to bad hardware design. Might not related to Android because Android already in sleeping mode. Unless of course Android keep on polling something or wifi is on when sleep.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] reaperzero:
it could also mean that the battery stats is not updated as frequently as you think :/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Gary13579:
I can type just fine without lag. There are several office programs available and support has been pretty good. Files larger than 4gb? Stop formatting your cards into that **** format FAT and start using ext3/4 (with journaling disabled) and it'll work great.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
If you think typing is fine you are having low expectation. The typing lag is significant when using the stock browser and memory is already loaded.

Document to Go, Polaris Office and Quick Office are toys compare to Libre or MS Office. The ones available on Android are fine for phones, far from satisfying under PC standard. (Lack of functions in spreadsheet, no way to paste anything other than text, cannot open 2 windows at 1 time and so on)

Unless there is a convenient way for my Windows PC and Camera to recognize an EXT4 partition, converting is not a great idea.

Also the Tab key is supported through the keyboard, which means when I switch to a general keyboard (Stock HC) the tab key turns into 4 spaces.

Don't get me wrong. I definitely like my Transformer, but

Comparing to iPad, TF is great on everything except battery life and some HW design

Comparing to PC, TF is great on batterylife but nothing else.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] raze1000:
I can see you points entirely.

There's no way on this earth I would own an Ipad yet I agree that the laggy experience of screen sliding sucks on android. Not a deal breaker but yes it would be nice to see some more fluidity.

As far as battery life goes on asus, well if i have to charge it for an hour or so every few days who cares. hardly the end of the world for me.

I usually remove from the dock and charge the dock while i am using the pad.

I then charge both together overnight if needed.

Spreadsheets, office etc, yes android is still behind but I am sure better apps will come. Just look at how far android has come in such a short time.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
Yep, the battery percentage is not perfectly accurate.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tay200k:
how can a battery be 100% after that long. You telling me it uses no battery what so ever over night on standby test=fail
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I guess you're not engineer. You can reduce current leakage and it won't drain battery.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SilentMobius:
Here's my take:

When I pick up my tablet to go out I want the following things to be up to date:

Email (work/home), twitter, facebook, RSS feeds, dropbox (Via dropsync), any changes in my contacts/appointments. And I want that to happen with no effort on my part

To do that, my table needs to periodically wake up and sync many different types of application, it also needs an active network connection. This _will_ reduce the standby lifespan. I'll concede that I'd like more configuration options regarding deep-sleep (like being able to auto-switch off wi-fi after being asleep for 30mins or so and only periodically switching it back on to sync) but it's pretty close to perfect for my usage pattern

The iPad cannot do this hence I have an Asus Transformer (background sync is impossible for anything other than the almighty stock apps)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
I suggest that we add a new section exclusively for "rants". That way if someone is having a realy good day and needs to listen to someone else whinning because they bought a chevy and it doesn`t ride like a rolls royce they can go there and listen. Then the rest of us who enjoy what we have can share new ROMs or other tips.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Blades:
It seems that the iPad/iPhone applies throttling to the cpu when on battery.. This was noticable when doing a file transfer over sshfs/ftpd from an ubuntu comp.. I don't own one of those wretched little snot boxes (iWhatever), but I was helping a friend load movies and such onto the device.. just something I noticed...

it is nice that they attempt to pull past 500mA from USB ports.. I thought Asus was to implement fast charging via USB 3.0 (or 2.0, which can handle it fine)..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sdelliott31:
I don't care, I think this is an interesting and fun thread lol.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I guess you already realised that most Android user are really iHater This is especially goodintentions. He admit to me he hates Apple.

Comparing iOS and WP7, Android are Winmo 6.5 of current mobile world. XDA is from Winmo 6 era. Now become Android mostly.

I just hope that Android user will one day wake up and be less fanboy.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Untill somebody creates a system genuinely better then ill stay a FANBOY!!!!!!!

Also i like apple and there build quality i just hate there devs who produce crap or steal inovation then blame others and sue everyone because they invented the wheel.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] reaperzero:
:/ i see iTrolls, Wineeaboe's, and angry androids here. lets just stick to the main point mkay? instead of having a yard competition seeing who's stick is longer
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Again, why are you still here? Asus was quite clear that this ain't no laptop. Go out and get a real laptop. I highly recommend the macbook air.

I don't hate apple. I just don't agree with their lies. They stole 200 open source features and calling it the all new and innovative iOS 5. And their ad campaign is paying off (the quarter billion or so dollars they pour into their ad campaign each year). Just go around and talk to iphone users. There are already some out there who think the android stole our notification bar from their iOS 5.

Anyway, ranting aside, android, especially for tablets, is a very young system. You want all these microsoft features on android? Microsoft for PC has been around for how long? Android for tablets have been around for how long?

Good zeus, man, go out and get the macbook air before you have a nervous breakdown.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asidrave:
this has to be one of rmost entertaining topics ive read in a long time. thanks guys
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
^^L.M.F.A.O^^

The shovel of logic truth and reason strikes again hahahaha

B.T.W Battery efficiency should be better in icys due to a few changes with memory etc :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
Somehow, tonight I am suddenly glad for the first time in my life to have missed the Prime season of vi Vs EMACS holy war. Exit, address left!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] amtrakcn:
Just FYI, I do have an Asus U35F laptop:D

I won't take my laptop to bed, nor will I do heavy text editing on my TF101 even with the keyboard dock on.

Everyone in the tech industry is borrowing. Just look at how much ICS has borrowed from WP7, WP7 from WebOS, WebOS from iOS, then iOS from Android. I don't like how Apple advertise their product not do I in favor of a closed system but Apple does make polished products and turns many immature techs into easy to use features.

You say the features are MS features? So why do Linux distros and Mac OS implement them? They are basics for Large screen computing device. Tablets currently does not have such features so they cannot replace netbook or laptop. They might be able to do so in future then that's another story.

Back for OP,

Is your TF connected to WiFi all the time?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I off the WiFi and it still sipping battery life like nobody business. I kill off most of the task.

Install Juice Defender seems to stop battery life draining that fast. But still its not like iPad battery conservation. :confused:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] unspecial:
Yes. Thanks for your rant :)

While I don't have experience with iPad I do have experience with the HP Touchpad. Every night before I turn off my TF101 I turn off wifi, bluetooth and then turn on airplane mode in hopes of saving some battery life. Yet there is some battery loss. When I left my HP Touchpad running WebOS off for several days there is no loss or at least perceptable.

It seems when turned off the HP TouchPad and maybe the iPad actually are really off but android devices are just in "deep sleep". I wish there was a real off especially for tablets which don't need to be on 100% like smart phones do.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
I didn't say other people don't borrow. I have no problem with copying features from competitors. Honestly, I've no problem with that. In fact, I encourage it. I'm a firm believer of open source.

That said, the reason I am pissed off at apple right now is because they are lying right through their teeth that these 200 stolen features are their "new and innovative" inventions. I've already encountered several iphone users who honest to god thought they were the first to ever have notification bar... center. When I show them my droid, they actually dared to tell me android copied it from iOS. I don't blame them for believing this, since they're tech illiterate. I blame apple for lying right through their teeth to the gullible masses. Repeat a lie long enough and people will eventually believe it.

Did anyone tell you tablets replace netbooks and laptops? Tell me who and I will go murder that person.

Oh, here's a smiley to tell you I'm not angry. :D

Now, let me go super glue my cat's head back to his body. I'll just tell the g/f he fell.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Where you listening to dubstep while ragging about this with the cat in the room? Poor little bugger R.I.P

On a serious not apps dont improve battery life juice defender etc dont like them personally why not just undervolt and just before bed underclock

If the theory that the ipad gets better bat life is because it actually shuts down then all you need to do is underclock before bed chuck on airplane mode and kill all processes even uneeded system ones and im geussing they will be about the same.

Its just a small difference between the systems one stays active alert ready the other shuts off when uneeded (should be more often than not)

Also i can see where goodintentions is coming from today on the train i had a guy tell me my tf was a cheap imatation. So i took the dock off showed him what it could do he still wasnt impressed then i showed him 2 emulators (PSX and N64 with wiimote) and a android game told me hes could do that stuff. I ended up saying can yours go 19hrs without a charge does yours have a dual core tegra 2 can yours boot into the newest ubuntu BAM!!! he didnt really know what to say except "why would i want to linux is gay and mine can do all that other stuff its still a ****y knockoff" all i could think was **** HEAD.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
Just because you have a gay idiot friend, it does not mean all Apple user are idiot like him. Just like goodintentions is an idiot Android fanboy, I don't assume all Android user are same.

Juice Defender actually improve battery life. I've tried it. You can use it to control wifi, apps, etc. But it can only work to certain degree.

As an engineer, I believe Apple iPad must be design with extreme power saving during standby mode while Asus Transformer is not.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Hang on a sec. Please share your reason to why you think I'm an android fanboy.

I think I've made it clear that I'm not a fanboy of anything. I regularly recommend apple product to people. Most people who ask me which tablet they should get I tell them to get the ipad. Recently a friend of mine asked me which laptop she should get. After hearing all her requirements, I told her her best option was the macbook air. She went and got it. Couldn't be happier.

I am not a fanboy of anything. I tell the truth, even if the truth is sour.

The fact of the matter is android system for the moment can't go into deep sleep enough to conserve battery the way iOS is. So, my recommendation for people who think this is the most important aspect of a tablet experience is to go get the ipad. I just don't understand why someone would insist being on the android team but then ***** on and on about the battery compared to the ipad. This team mentality never made sense to me anyway.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I think you forgot the conversation that we had last time and you admit to me that you hate Apple and implying that you're an Android fanboy. :D

The great thing about you is that you admit it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
You missed the part where I specifically said I hate apple on a personal level, as in apple technology doesn't suit me very well. But on a professional level or even a hobbyist level would you consider me hating apple if I recommend apple to people all the time? Whenever someone asks me which computer to get or which phone or tablet to get, I almost always refer them to apple.

But for me personally I cannot stand the walled garden approach that is apple.

But recently, I have begun hating apple on another level, mainly their lies. I just did a quick search around the internet for mac forums and discussions on the new feature of iOS 5. Go ahead and do the search and look around a bit. Before the search, I would never have believed just how many delusional apple users there are. People are actually confidently making the statement that android stole the notification bar from iOS 5. Go ahead and do a search and see for yourself.

That's the result of apple's marketing campaign. Repeat a lie long enough and people will believe it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
Why the hatred? LOL...so many hatred in your sentences. :D

Also, I don't think Apple marketing said Android stole notification bar from iOS 5.

Bro, there's nothing to hate here and there. Just use your device. Rant if it does not work. No point hating stuff. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
It was a random on the train not a friend by the way why did you have to question someones sexuality in there ( inhabitions maybe )

And why would you use a app to do some simple things you can do yourself ?

What kind of engineer? If your a mechanical engineer who welds up trucks its not exactly relevant
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Your right the adds dont state it they just imply it

How else could you interpret check out our new feature!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Everyone who is older than 13 years of age should realize by then that there are more ways to say something without actually saying it word for word.

Here are a few examples.

How to say someone's old without saying they're old. Wow, you're almost as old as a dinosaur.

How to say someone's fat without saying they're fat. Wow, the elevator shook when you stepped on!

How to say someone's ugly without saying they're ugly. Jesus christ, you look like Dennis Rodman!

How to say someone's an idiot without saying they're an idiot. Wow, you're smarter than a chimp.

Go on youtube and watch their promo videos and their presentations. Stop by an apple store some time and talk to their employees. Apple doesn't actually say it, but they imply it all the time. I also encourage you to spend a little time reading mac forums. This is why there are already iphone users who think android stole features like the OTA updates and the notification bar from iOS 5. There are honest to god iphone users who very confidently claim that android stole these features from iOS 5 without a hint of knowing android's been using these features for years.

Again, repeat a lie long enough and people will believe it. We're watching this happening with ifanboys right before our eyes as we speak.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kkcheong:
I'm iPhone user but I never think OTA and certain feature in Android is copied from iPhone. I know iPhone is way behind in terms of feature compare to Android.

I never think Apple imply something like that based on their iOS 5 advert. I believe you're being over critical.

But it's probably because I never spend my time in Mac fanboy forum. Haha...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Not saying every iPhone user is like that. I'm glad you're not like that. but it doesn't negate the fact that some iPhone users have already started to claim these features originated from ios. Even apple keep saying for the first time this and new that.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dorkington:
Ignoring all the nonsense...

I have an iPad 2 and recently sold my TF. One of the biggest reasons was because I prefer how the iPad handles battery life. I don't see why the hate on someone because of that. The TF doesn't handle battery life as well, not a big deal unless it's important to you. It does a great many things better, and it does many worse. That's the beauty of capitalism, you have choices, and really there is no universally wrong choice.