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[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Lijop:
thanks bro this is what am talking about. i have seen in xda there are 1000 views and no answers. like i said everyone is a noob when they get hands on an android phone. when they post questions we have to help them out. emoiibox has done a pretty decent job putting up that guide on xda which helps a lot of them. hey i clicked thanks button. bro i would like to know one more thing all options(system, data and cache) are grayed out (shows its on rfs) but i have already converted to ext4 but still why its showing system is on rfs. is it because am using chainfire ext4 manager. should i use the modified one by ketut to solve this ?
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] happily1986:
I wrote 2 replies in the other thread where you were asking the question. You see now? You don't read things carefully. Anyway, i can't be bothered to flame you HOWEVER you will do well to heed my advice to read replies PROPERLY because 70% of what you read here might be instructions and failing to read them properly could possibly render your Ace inoperable.

We are all noobs once but that doesn't mean that we are in any way incapable of reading instructions/replies carefully.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] devilcode:
system,data,cache i dont think they are options they are just their to tell if they are on rls or ext4 i guess, Actually i have used ext manager, once only in blackhawk Rom by ketut i was just checking it i cant say why it is showing you this ... is the convert to rls option active ? if yes try converting it back to rls and try again if ext4 gets active..

i guess someone else can tell something more about this ...
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] Lijop:
i told u right am using chainfire ext4. i never knew there was a modified ext4 manager by ketut.(thanks for telling that in your post).chainfire ext4 manager detects kernel but i dont think it will convert my internal from rfs to ext4. btw is it safe to install ketuts ext4 over chainfire's ? sorry for my noobness. thanks for answers from happily1986 and devilcode
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] happily1986:
it should detect it as another version and prompt you whether you want to overwrite or not. Go ahead and click yes. If no such prompt just uninstall the original one by chainfire and install the one by ketut after that.
[Galaxy Ace S5830 General] consegregate:
Well next time try bumping your thread up to prevent the clutter!
[HTC EVO 3D] HMZX:
I heard that LG have released a 3D converter for games and i wanted to ask if this would work on the Evo?:confused:

I am trying to figure out which one of these 3D phones would be best for me. I am slightly in favour of the Optimus, but there is not as much development going on there, and I LOVE sense. :D

It makes it quite hard to decide. Any opinions?

I would definitely buy an Evo if Mike makes android revolution for the GSM Evo because THAT is a great rom. Or maybe someone could port it? :rolleyes:

Many Thanks,
[HTC EVO 3D] xHausx:
I don't believe any one has been able to get the converter to work on the Evo yet, but that's not to say it isn't possible. As for the ROMs, it shouldn't be too much work to port them between CDMA and GSM.
[HTC EVO 3D] HMZX:
I hope I'm not being an idiot, but has anyone done this yet?

Thanks for the reply though :)
[HTC EVO 3D] maek_it_happen:
No ....

Sent from my Brick 3d
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] cast466:
Battery was fully charged before flashing, all processes went thru fine, then phone shut off and never came back on? any ideas?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] daddymatt:
I believe villian rom is for the international i9100 sgs2... the rom's aren't interchangeable. Probably have to use a jig to get into download mode and then use Odin to flash proper software.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] aalsmadi1:
What's a jig?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] daddymatt:
Google "android jig" and read about it. Its a device you plug into the USB port on your phone and it sends it to download mode automatically. The vibrant jig will work on our sgs2 even though its not stated on Amazon/eBay.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] chib1panda:
if you can't get into download mode. You can make or buy a jig to force it into download mode to restore your phone.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] daddymatt:
I think this was his first go-around. If you look at his profile he just became a member. Some lessons are learned the hard way... you must READ READ READ before flashing anything on your device. Lets try to help him out the best we can.
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] Monk4Life:
It also shows he is on AT&T so he could be in the wrong forum. I doubt he is on T-Mobile if he just created his account and put AT&T on his profile. Maybe a mistake post in the wrong forum?
[T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-T989] daddymatt:
Ooohhhh, I didn't catch that because I'm using the mobile app and not on a PC... probably then. Oh well, if you need help buddy, I pm'ed you my email address.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cleargrey:
I'm wondering if ICS does anything different with regards to multitasking and efficient managing process threads.

Will I ever be able to hear youtube in the background while switching to something else??? This is one of the most important questions in the known universe!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diversificationied:
Techincally, it's possible.

Realistically, the youtube team is never going to do it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cleargrey:
Something I forgot to add. Couldn't the king multitasker, webOS, do this? I've seen it play videos (can't explicitly remember Youtube) in the background. But I don't remember if it had sound.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diversificationied:
Flash ran in the background on webOS, because the flash plug in they developed allowed it to.

As far as I know on android the flash plug in for the browser will suspend when the browser is no longer the foreground activity.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tom Servo:
The Android multitasking model doesn't stop applications from using all available CPU power in background (altho their process priorities will be lowered). A sensible developer would make their CPU heavy apps to cease processing when backgrounded. I figure Youtube will be among them. If you want to run YT in background to listen to music, I'd suggest using some other streaming service. YT will keep your CPU busier with video decoding, even if offscreen.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matt2053:
This is correct. The reason you cannot play YouTube in the background is not because Android cannot do it, it is because the YouTube app is designed to stop when it is not in the foreground, on purpose. Sorry dude!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Cleargrey:
If there was a crying icon, I'd use it.

I understand though and it's perfectly reasonable. Part of me wants a lean device in my pocket. Part of me simply wants a small computer.

Maybe quad core improvements will help... Or the increased multitasking and encoding will just murder the battery while it ignores the battery's scream for mercy...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
well, for the most part, this doesn't make sense to have full speed background processing when you move the app to the background. For the large majority of people, when they are watching YouTube and hit the home key, they want their YouTube video to stop playing.

As stated above, any smart dev will make their app slow down or pause in the background as to not eat up CPU/RAM and get killed off by the Android system itself.

OP, there are a lot of good music streaming options that don't require a video to be attached to them that just drains your phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SysAdmNj:
I dont know about that anymore, sometimes you just want to find a song quickly and play it. I wouldnt it mind playing the song in the background via youtube, or just listen to something else.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tom Servo:
More cores won't magically drop the power requirements of a certain task.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blunden:
Most people don't use Youtube for music and it's not intended for it either so don't expect it to happen unless someone builds an alternative client for it. There are better services for discovering music.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Navik57:
I used to do this all the time to, to share an artist or a song with people. However, I've found that lately YouTube has been one of the worse places to go to try and find music. Majority of the results end up being covers or live cell phone captures or other useless junk. I'm sure there's a better solution out there, just haven't found it myself yet. =-/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tjotte:
Spotify...!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blunden:
Indeed. If they are looking for a free alternative that won't cut it though since it won't allow mobile streaming. Only Premium does that. Still, I could share some invites if anyone wants to try it out free.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 300k:
ICS Multitasking

I know the multitasking is similar to Honeycomb, however with the guy from WebOS, I wonder if we fling an application from left to right, will it kill the app like in WebOS?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jebus99:
Yep, swiping an app left or right from the multitasking screen will close the app.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Actually, my understanding is that it only hides it from the multitasking view (doesn't kill the app). Android is pretty well built on not needing any kind of "task killing" from the user or from task manager apps. I don't see why they'd start now.

Since we have a couple ppl in the forum who have the Galaxy Nexus I'd like to see what their findings are.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] michael7795:
I have one... And it just hides the app.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] POQbum:
something deep down inside me always wants to close unused apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Don't worry. They're not bogging down the system. Android handles it!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
True!

However it doesn't surprise me how many people use task killers on there evos and sensations like my friends :/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Must be an iphone thing.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
On custom honeycomb builds they already have added X's allowing task killing.

Sure android can handle it but that like being a slob just because you have a housekeeper. I like to be neat and organized yet know someone will have my back when I get too busy.

So its not built in, but I can bet it will be an option.

G2x - 2.3.7 CM7

Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
Its because Task killers used to be relevant before 2.2, and the idea that they improve performance/battery life has continued. Less-savvy users all tell their friends, who tell their friends, etc. and they have high ratings in the market because of that. It just perpetuates itself.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] e-dub:
or perhaps they used windows mobile longer than they've been on android. old habits die hard, i know i find myself killing applications through the settings menu a lot, though i only switched over to android when the nexus one was released.

eric b
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
But this isn't the same. Android actually does handle its tasks properly on its own without killing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] drhill:
It's a task switcher, not a task manager.

Android can tell what you want running. Foreground applications get priority (of which there can be only one). Then running services. Most applications aren't services, so when you leave the application it is suspended and left in ram until that ram is needed.

By killing that application you are removing it from ram and forcing the OS to reload the entire application the next time you want to use it. You end up using more system resources and battery doing this. An app "cached" (suspended) in ram is not hurting anyway or causing any battery loss. It would be like putting a commonly used spice in a container on your counter. It's easier to get to then when it's in a cabinet and if you need the counter space you can always move it into a cabinet.

The only time a task killer is needed is when an app/service malfunctions or is poorly written. The built in application manager will do the job, but you are better off letting the developer know there is a problem or just uninstalling the app if it is constantly misbehaving.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
merged duplicates
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gokpog:
There is a simple solution to this: uninstall those crappy apps.

It's not really a point against the memory management of Android when you tell us that crappy apps will still be crappy when you let them do what they do.

You have limited resources? Uninstall apps that hog resources for no reason.

My galaxy s has 330mb of ram available to apps and services and I haven't felt the need to "help" Android since 2.2. Granted that's not "starved" but I think around 300mb is pretty much standard.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
I have used a g1 for more then a year, android ALWAYS kills the cached processes when your in a memory low situatuon.

You who uses a task killer are poorly educated person.

Any educated person on XDA will tell u not to use task killers. ANDROID DOES IT ITSELF. Why do u think so many ppl say it? Cause they know what's up. Read some of these articles... help urself out if anything.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Yes, if you're using Eclair on a G1, you need a task killer.

If you however are using anything past gingerbread on anything past an N1, your don't need a task killer. If you have apps and/or services raping your phone, then you need to stop using ****ty apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] CoNsPiRiSiZe:
Okay well I guess you don't need to learn new things. So don't read up on this issue. Just keep writing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nebucatnetzer:
If you're really have several apps open and Android kills one then it is how you said the one which you used the longest time ago. If it is something like a messaging service or similar and you don't open it often doesn't mean that it isn't doing something. If it does something from time to time then Android won't close it. If it isn't working in the background then it doesn't matter for you if it's closed or not. Sure on a system with really low RAM it could close one of the important apps but how less RAM do you actually need that something like this happens 50- 100 MB?

Edit: why do you even care? The NG has 1gb RAM that's more than enough. I never passed 600 MB on the SGS2.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
A thought just occurred to me. Could somebody with ICS try opening up a bunch of apps, then use the built-in task switcher to swipe off the app that was most recently opened. Then open up a bunch of other apps until at least one recently opened app is bumped off the running apps list. I'd like to find out which app is killed by Android, the least recently used app, or the app that was swiped off in the task switcher?

This might require installing a whole lot of apps since the GN has enough memory to keep a lot of background apps in memory.

Basically I'm wondering whether removing apps from the task switcher has any effect on the priority Android assigns to background apps for the purposes of killing them to reclaim memory.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Apps swiped off the list pop back up immediately into ram.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Wait, they pop back up? I was under the impression that they are not killed at all, swiping them off has no immediate effect on the app in memory?

Anyway that's not what I'm asking. I'm wonder what happens to the apps that were swiped off when Android needs to reclaim memory later. Are they the first to be killed? Or is it still least-recently-used apps first?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EP2008:
Unfortunately , no matter how good" Honeycomb/ICS is at managing tasks, itnot even close to what webOS offers , which is true multitasking.

For example, with the exception of a computer, webos is the only mobile platform which allows me to do the following ALL AT THE SAME TIME

-connect remotely to my work pc without disconnecting when i leave the app

- open a contact and look up a customer

- open three separate price lists in PDF and keep them all loaded for reference

- use the web browser to access my suppliers website for prices

- have a notepad app going to take notes while in a skype call with the client

- keep a calculator running to provide a quote

WHILE DOING ALL THAT, THE CUSTOMER NEEDS TO CALL BACK. No problem, i keep all those apps (called cards in webos) running, and i go about with some other stuff...

- load up the web browser to get facebook up and running

- load the app catalogue to see whats new

- bring up my local news site and start reading articles.

WIFE CALLS AND NEEDS INFO...

- open up another browser card and look up this place she's asking about

- open the maps app to find her directions to this place

CALL ENDS WITH WIFE, BUT I LEAVE THE BROWSER AND MAPS APP OPEN IN CASE SHE CALLS BACK.

- load up a music videion youtube and run it in tge background while I open a few emails

- these emails are purchase orders in pdf, so i open them and get back on the remote desktop connection at work.

- since i can clearly read the pdf from the card view, i can swap back and forth from the remote desktop to the card view to enter the order.

CUSTOMER CALLS BACK

-i resume the quote with the customer and ebter his order

ALL THIS WHILE EVERY APP REMAINS OPEN FOR ME TO GET BACK TO.

And the killer is I could do even more than that or even leave the apps in that state for days.

On both android and ios, this would have been impossible because apps would close within minutes if i was multitasking and i would lose my place in the app very quickly.

I was really hoping that ICS would make this possible, but I guess that's not going to happen. :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
And the battery life?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mohitrocks:
Actually, it doesn't kill the app. According to TheVerge (in one of their videos they said they asked someone at the IO) it just removes it from the menu. Besides 1GB of ram should be plenty to avoid sluggishness while running a considerable amount of apps.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chrono_Tata:
Well, swiping it out does seem to do something. For example, if I open the gmail app and open an email, press home button back to home screen and then reopen the gmail app, I will be back at the same email I was looking at. On the other hand, if I return to the home screen, open the manager and swipe away gmail, when I reopen the app it will reload and return to the inbox screen. If that's not killing the app then I don't know what it's doing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Andrmgic:
There are 2 categories of apps.. there are "running apps".. and "cached background processes".. when you hit the "home" button when gmail is open, it becomes a cached background process.. if you swipe gmail off of the list, it closes the cached background process for gmail..

It will not "kill" applications in the "running apps" list.

That is the behavior that I have observed on my GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Yep, swiping apps off the recent apps list does indeed kill them. I can confirm this using the emulator (alas, don't have a Galaxy Nexus yet). Funny how everybody who claims that swiping apps just hides them but doesn't kill them are wrong, wrong, wrong. Apparently few people have an understanding of the difference between foreground apps, services, and background apps (hint: when you try to swipe an app off but it doesn't get killed, it's because it's in the former two categories.)

Also, I hope people can now stop repeating "Android doesn't need task killers!" like some kind of mantra, now that Google saw fit to built a task killer into one of the three omnipresent buttons of Android itself.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
You forgot to mention you were doing all that on a Veer.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Stigy:
Pushing home causes onPause in code while the swipe on the multi-tasking button causes onStop if I remember correctly.

Don't remember where I read that but I think that was the difference -- gotta double check and see if I can find the source.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] EP2008:
As advertised or longer than advertised. The myth that keeping apps in the background kills battery life was started by Steve Jobs I believe, which is why ios didn't have multitasking to start. Keeping apps running in the background won't affect batter life unless those apps are actively doing something CPU intensive, and other than games, there aren't any apps that are CPU intensive when not in use.

I've got a great little app called Govnah, which tells me what my CPU usage is and when I have the device (HP Touchpad) on the dock, both CPU's are running at minimal usage.

Having said that - even if my battery life was reduced, the benefits of true multitasking is completely justified and makes the device truly useful.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
onPause and onStop only apply to foreground and visible activities. Pushing home calls onStop of the previous foreground activity. Swiping off a background activity should be doing something else - probably calling onDestroy on the activity.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Stigy:
Maybe it does call onDestroy -- that would make more sense.

Must've had a brain fart yesterday.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Snobjorn:
Edit : my first post on xda, ofcource I had to mess up by replying in the wrong thread.

My apologies
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qmaula:
I've notice some problems with the quality of the calls, mainly the way people hears me. Looks like the noise cancelling is not working well and the upper microphone is forcing voice cuts.

I did a test putting my finger on the up microphone and people hears me better.

Does anyone have experienced the same problem? Do you know if there is a way to disconnect by software the upper microphone?

Thanks
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] vessk0:
The upper mic works only for video recording. I want it to cancel the noise in calls, but for now there is not such an option.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Steelduines:
Yeah I've got some complaints from people I called that the quality was bad, I sounded far away. I've posted a thread as well. I haven't tried to block the top mic, gonna try that!! I've tried to use the Service Menu to change some mice settings, but I can't get in the appropriate sub menu...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] iivuch:
yes - I'd like to know the answer to this too ...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qmaula:
I've done a couple of tests more, its the upper mic...

Just tried to call in a noisy environment, and covering the upper micro made a difference.

Enviado desde SGN
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qmaula:
NO, you have that option when placing or receiving a call. Just pres menu and activate noise cancelling.

And this is what I use to solve the problem, I deactivate this noise cancelling. :)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hoyoonbid:
so do i have to deactivate the noise cancelling manually every single time for the better call quality?

Hmm... sucks to be.

I think no noise cancelling has to be default, and we shold be able to activate it when we need.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] qmaula:
Yes, I've been looking for, but only found the option to deactivate during a call.:(

Cloud someone tells us if there is a way to to it permanently?:confused:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] loonsy:
What base band or firmware version are you guys on? Be buying a note over the weekend andwill test to see if the same problems arise. Singapore version is DXKK1 with XXKJ6 Baseband.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] katinsh:
SGN Latvia

Same problem for me. I have bought my phone here in Latvia. Everytime during the call I need to turn on noise cancelation manualy. Hope, Samsung will make some update soon.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Steelduines:
The people I called said that deactivating the noise canceling was a major improvement in sound quality. It's a bummer I have to deactivate it each time I call, there must be a solution for that problem.

But what about the cause of this problem. Is this a firmware issue or is the upper mic defect? I would like to hear from more people, we can't be the only ones having this problem.. If the mic is defect I'm sending my note back to the supplier.