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[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Hi im new to 2x recently switched from hd2 :) i would like to ask if its possible to overclock gpu in tegra 2.. thank you
[LG Optimus 2x] kolo2x:
I'm guessing no since tegra drivers are close-sourced. But I could be wrong.
[LG Optimus 2x] kiljacken:
The GPU is indeed Overclock able, and the epeen version of vorkKernel for CyanogenMod Overclocks the GPU a little
[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Thank you.. do you know how much? btw brothers in arms 2 is lagging like hell..
[LG Optimus 2x] kiljacken:
The GPU is overclocked from 355Mhz to 366Mhz, on the EPEEN version of vorkKernel. But remember only to flash it if you're running CyanogenMod
[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Wiki says original is 300mhz for 2x or am i missing something? Btw strange thing ive noticed when running multitouch benchmark try to add more than two fingers and whatch fps drops from 120 fps to 60.. is that normal or there is touch bug like there was in optimus p500.
[LG Optimus 2x] kiljacken:
300Mhz might be the default. In that case we have some OC on the default one too.

Lag might occur on touch depending on ROM and stuff. One some devices a lot of log spam happens, and this slows down the device considerably
[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Ok thank you, same drops on cm7 fresh install as on fresh stock v10b its like 10 fps for each finger..
[LG Optimus 2x] darkmystel:
i need some help to overclock :(

n now running miui , expected its kernal to support overclock but still setcpu shows only 1ghz max
[LG Optimus 2x] Striatum_bdr:
It's kernel doesn't support OC, you should flash an alternative kernel like swiftkernel, see thread in dev section.

And you're off topic, his thread if about gpu overclock, not CPU.
[LG Optimus 2x] darkmystel:
oopsy sorry :(

so whats the difference :O

the tegra also can be overclocked?? :(

i'm new here n new to flashing
[LG Optimus 2x] Mungulz:
GPU is the graphics chip.

CPU is the chip used for everything else.

Overclocking the CPU will see performance gains in nearly every field, and the Tegra 2 can be overclocked from 1GHZ to 1.55GHZ or so.
[LG Optimus 2x] darkmystel:
oh thanks , but what is it that we usually overclock??

is it the cpu or the gpu??

seen o2x with 1.5ghz

so is it the cpu that is oc or the gpu??
[LG Optimus 2x] fajarep:
just a quick through :

cpu can be overclocked(controlled by pimp my cpu/setcpu)

gpu based on source code can be overclocked too, but i can't find any voltage control that control gpu clock. so, overclock gpu is really minimal, from usual 335mhz to 366mhz. in benchmark, you won't see any noticeable score. so, i don't know if the gpu overclocking working fine or not, 30mhz increase seems not helping... :)

cheers...
[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Is there any way to reach 400mhz?
[LG Optimus 2x] fajarep:
Yes it comes.. but based on my testing,it will cause black screen of death after screen turn off for several minutes. Normal clock or a little increase doesn't make those problem.
[LG Optimus 2x] xtrustkillx:
Try to set cpu min to 800mhz.
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
I just purchased SETCPU from the market. I know its free here but from what I've read it is well worth 2 bucks (or a lot more).

I'm running bamf 1.0,9 cubed and I verified in setcpu it is set to low of 368 and high of 1 ghz.

I am using stock kernel but thinking of trying adynaline's new kernel.

Anyway should I set a custom profile? Any suggestions on settings? I'm more interested in avoiding screen freeze than speeding up anything.
[Thunderbolt General] Flo95:
Profiles are not needed.

They're just usefull if you want to underclock at a certain battery level or temperature to save battery or cool down the device in my opinion.
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
I just overclocked to 1.28 we'll see how it goes....
[Thunderbolt General] turdbogls:
should be fine.

i had some profiles of:

screen on - min was as low as it could go, max = 1.4ghz -ondemand

screen off - min was as low as it could go, maz = 5xx mhz - batt saver or conservative

battery at 50%, put max at 1ghz- on demand

battery at 15% max was at 7xx mhz -batt saver/conservative

temp>115 max was 7xx mhz-batt saver

this yeilded pretty good battery life. i am a heavy data user in a 4g area and on a sense ROM i could easily get 12 hours. pushed it over a day with me trying to get the best battery life possible.
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
Sounds good. I'm also a heavy user.
[Thunderbolt General] Ianxcom:
Profiles aren't needed with a lot of kernels. Some have built in profiles and in others some governors include profiles such as smartass and interactivex.

The only thing I really use it for is if I overclock, which I rarely ever do, and to change the governor.
[Thunderbolt General] TauxiC:
I use SetCPU with imo's latest kernel and I never let it go above the 1.59GHz mark, but that is where I usually put it when charging via AC.
[Thunderbolt General] victor014:
bamf forever already has the ability to set cpu speeds, its in the bamf settings
[Thunderbolt General] recDNA:
It says in the op of bamf kernel thread that bamf setting is unable to retain kernel settings so use setcpu.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Today, the death of MOBILE Flash was announced.

This a major killer app gone from the Android arsenal.

NOTE that Flash continues to develop on the Desktop environment.

Gone also is a major demander of CPU cycles.

I think this means two things:

1. (Less) Need for High power CPUs on Android platform

2. The beginning a two tier web experience. One for Desktops, one for mobile.

Which means we'll be as restricted from a desktop web experience as Apple Mobile products, AND WITHOUT the market sway of APPLE that mitigates and forces some websites to develop specifically for Apple products (ie: APP version of website).

I won't say this is the death of Android as a platform, but it could be a major blow.

Given this I have more reason to buy Windows 8 tablet next instead of Android.

There will always be some websites (ie: Megavideo or anime websites) that only develop for Desktop in mind, they don't care or have the resources to develop a HTML5 / APP for every platform out there.

And EVEN if they were to develop an APP, you know it'll be for Apple platform.

So Android is disadvantaged.

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jjsoviet:
It's not as bad as you think.

- Adobe will continue to provide critical updates to existing Flash versions on Android

- It will potentially hand over development to third-parties

- Adobe AIR and HTML5 work fine on Android

Yes, it will score a dent on the platform but it is by no means that Flash will suddenly be pulled out of the Market or something. Let's just hope Adobe will release the Flash 11 with better Stage3D before it closes further development.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
I just wish they would give the desktop version the axe as well, but hey, I'm being more pred'd than prac' there ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
i think it all depends on pricing and preference. I see windows phone out now but android phones are still beating them. so what makes you think that windows will have a bigger effect in the tablet market?

to me the pricing makes a big difference. i think the avarage joe doesn't care if they are getting windows, apple, android just how much it costs. if cost was not an option, they would probably go apple then windows/android just because of name recognition. Although I do think they would lean more towards android as a 2nd option over windows since that is probably what they have on their phone.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Botloos:
Youre overreacting, adobe will continue to fix bugs in flash. Meaning if quad core processors give errors associated with flash they will probably be fixed.

And the discontinue will hopefully bring more developers to adobe-AIR, so it will be way easier to code apps for different platforms.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] muqali:
I personally wish they'd stop using Adobe entirely and use web standards, not some proprietary crap.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
I really don't think the ability to run Flash has been such a huge competitive advantage for Android, at least not among the general public. Apple's still doing fine without it, and certainly on tablets Flash hasn't made a material difference.

It'll remain variety and price that keeps Android successful. And the idea that the Tegra 3's performance is somehow irrelevant because Flash will be going away someday seems a bit strange to me. I can think of many things a tablet (or phone) can do that benefit from better performance other than Flash.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Lawliet:
Exactly. I've never thought of Flash as anything killer on Android. I very much detest it instead, slowing things down with all the flash ads.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Continue to fix bugs of the current version of Flash. But what happens when they release Flash 12 for the desktop, and all the websites migrate over to it?

Your videos on these website won't launch.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hoss_n2:
The stated also that they wont be adding support for newer hardware
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Apple will do well without Flash because they're APPLE. They have APP versions of the websites that use flash because of their persuasive market share.

WE DON'T
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dobbs2010:
The sky is falling.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Flash isn't just for ads, JPEGs aren't just for porn.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] russ18uk:
Flash died when adobe bought macromedia. Since then flash had got so bloated and slow; lags almost every browser with memory leaks. I would still rather have the ability to watch flash content than not have it, however.

On the other hand, it does pave the way for developers to just screw flash completely.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tempie007:
What does flash have to do with quad cores?

Nothing of course.

And anyways, tegra 3 manages it's own core states, software is not involved.

And flash won't disappear on short term.. security updates will be released and source will be managed by other parties (google anyone)

Take it easy @ thread starter :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dimako83:
Dont be that pessimistic about flash. It has been a very problematic technology which required a huge amount of resource even from devices based on Atom cpu. I might just consider it as good news because websites would have to adapt their websites to use HTML5 which runs much smoother. It might just become the step which would take the world for a new standard which would replace the problematic flash technology. And for everybody that becomes concerned about websites that would not migrate their site to mobile devices playable technology i am pretty sure that it wont happen because that mobile devices market share is becoming much more significant from they to day
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tempie007:
And who cares about flash anyways.. at this point its still handy every now and then, but this will change soon....

Flash is being used less and less and has nothing to do with desktop vs. Mobile ( ok only if you own an ipad lol)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
no one says websites wont migrate to mobile platform. The problem is, when they do, it's usually in the form of APPS not standard webpage that works on all platforms. (many tech commentators have criticized this trend)

Most websites with mobile versions have only made one for Apple in form of an APP.

Given the market share of Android vs Apple, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which mobile platform websites will choose.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
To that all I can do is remember my first laptop and it's unicore Sempron. Between Mozilla Firefox and Adobe Flash, a few hours of streaming music (don't even MENTION video!!!), my laptop would be hot. In fact on more than one occasion it went so far as to overheat. If I tried to compile projects and use Flash, I would get to sit and watch the temp gauge climb towards Halt & Catch Fire.

I'm sure some where in between a quad core and a companion CPU, they can make the TF P skip the HCF part :-).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 9mmpistol:
Could this lead to a situation that the TF1 with the lastest version of flash which will have some tweaks for tegra 2 might end up running flash better than the Prime as Adobe wont officially support the hardware?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
This is bad because for nowadays devices, Flash was there and soon it won't really be available. That said... Finally! Now that power hog will have to be ran on powerful desktop devices and servers that will give mobile users what they want.

Also the market share argument is bull****: Android has billions of different devices, soon it will overtake the whole iOS market.

Still, if this had been an announcement of Flash real death and not just the mobile one, the whole problem would've fixed itself: no more Flash on desktop means better sites, and better sites run on mobile browsers, end of the problem.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SoCmodder:
HTML5 FTW!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] LucJoe:
You guys actually used flash effectively? Flash for me has been a wild range of experiences from jerky stuttering to slideshow to downright crashing.

Are there some settings I'm not aware of to make it work properly? Maybe a mild overclock?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] MrKaon:
it is not gonna happen, because by the time HTML5 would replace Flash
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
in the alternate reality where the HTML5 actually finalized on a HTML5 video standard.

Last time in this world, they were still arguing about VP8 vs H264
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xuser:
Flash 11 has no hardware acceleration for the TF1. I doubt they will add any. That's why I'm using F10. Mostlikely it will be only security fixes.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Looks like I just found the reason to stick with TF1.

BTW People, when they finally finalize on the HTML5 video format, it could be a codec / format which can't be HW accelerated on the Tegra 3 hardware. So have fun with your webcrippled Transformer Prime. :p
[Eee Pad Transformer General] samagon:
It will happen, it's just a matter of time, currently >25% of websites use flash in some way or another, expect that to decline sharply.

I think the writing is on the wall for flash overall.

Regardless what some may say, I don't see this as a win for apple, so much as a loss for all consumers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
Marlarky, it would take ages for [beveryone[/b] to migrate and there will always be those that begim new with old.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] johnchad14:
With the world moving towards mobile devices, flash withdrawing support for them prettymuch just means flash is committing seppuku and finishing itself off before it gets obsoleted by better solutions.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
True, but... Let's say they drop completely Flash now. Maybe it won't work on Internet Explorer 10 or whatever Windows 8 will have. Would look like a very good reason to update a site if that many users would be unable to use it, don't you think? Not to mention that if there will really be ARM based computers Flash would simply be impossible to run. Also the security updates? I think we all know it means "for an handful of months before we stop wasting resources on a dead project"
[Eee Pad Transformer General] johnchad14:
Also have to note its hilarious they do this just when devices are getting almost powerful enough to handle mobile flash well.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] patass:
flash will now be handled over adobe air. What's ending are flash plugins. Head over to newgrounds or albinoblacksheep on an ipad and tell me how far you get.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tubular:
What kind of moronic fear mongering title is this?

Quad core tablets are for more than Flash. I have no idea why you seem to think Flash is the reason quad core tablets were put into action.

Agreed. Flash is an abomination and even though Android tablets support it I never liked it. Frankly I think they should go for an open standard and leave Flash in the dust.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Don't be naive, Who is supporting open standard HTML5 for mobile devices?

Why support open standards when you can just develop an APP for Apple so it DOUBLES as a AD on the APPLE APP Market?

Android is screwed on the web without Flash, because (almost) NO ONE will develop an Android version website APP.

And clearly (almost) no one is rewriting Flash sites into HTML5.

"Should" "Should" "Should", yea, people should be kind and not greedy, so do you leave your doors unlocked at night?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
That's why I say Flash is useless on mobile devices: do go on newgrounds and tell me that any dual core CPU like the Tegra can play stuff smoothly. Riiiight, not going to happen.

People likes Flash because of the video, essentially because it's the worst video player out there but everybody uses it. And for that use, when hardware acceleration works, it's actually a thing that makes sense.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] rirawin:
Quite far actually with photon2flash.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Xenoterran:
I'm not worried about whether or not Flash will stay or go. If it stays, it will evolve into something different from what we're use to (e.g. Air, hybrid with HTML5, etc.). If it goes, we will either switch to an existing alternative or.. ..from the "Hey, I can dream, can't I?" department, someone will produce something innovative and better.

Android hardware is evolving. So should the software. Adobe Flash is a staple; but it is long in the tooth. Even Silverlight's days are numbered and that's a relatively new kid on the playground.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Doesn't seem to be the trend. Platform specific APPs are killing the open standards of the web for mobile platforms, that we knew and loved for the desktop.

No one cares about open standards, everyone wants to be cool and have an iPhone APP.

There will be a normal website for desktop viewing and an APP for iOS viewing on mobile devices. Nothing else.

FACE IT, how many websites have an Android APP compared to iOS APP? Flash could have mitigated this shortcoming by allowing Android users to leech off the desktop version of websites, but now it's dead.

In a few years, the Internet for mobile device will be completely APP driven, and the platform will the biggest APP Market wins.

Android is over. (ok, maybe a little cynical, but I think the writing is on the wall)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] infamousjax:
Sure buddy. Wow.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it, infamousjax?

Apple is killing the web with APPs

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/04/15/is-apple-killing-the-world-wide-web/

or just google "APPs killing the web" for your own learnings
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uploder:
lol dumbest thread ever... oh and no need to reply to my comment. i wont be clicking into this thread anymore
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
thanks for your enlightening contribution, we understand a rational refutation with supporting articles against an argument would be too much to ask of a retard or a troll
[Eee Pad Transformer General] uploder:
ok i lied/ i know you started this thread and all and are protective about it like its your freaking child but really? android is over? you're dooming a whole OS over 1 component? How can you seriously expect anyone to agree with you or your opinion? But thats just it. its YOUR opinion which your are very much entitled to. And MY opinion is that you're an idiot. i mean seriously how did you think this thread would turn out?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Spidey01:
@klau1 that makes me happy a bit, since I blogged something a while back about that; guess I'm not alone then.

Knowing Microsoft they would probably make running old Flash a requirement for IE12 and Windows 9 if current pace is maintained. It is just not going to happen until people chose to NOT use Flash. Some years ago there was a fair chance to any of QuickTime, Windows Media, AVI, Real (ugh), or Flash being used. Today I see flash just about everywhere but a few websites, and iPhone formats for mobile sites. Seeing people still dealing with Python 2.2 and 2.4 while 2.6 and 3.1 was prime, and the number of folks still using CVS on active projects, are all examples of things that give me no faith.

My experiences as a FreeBSD user in an increasingly Flash owned web, also make me very much in favour of something like HTML5 video/canvas/etc -- something that can be cross platform. I'm still shocked at the last Linux x86* ports, let along that we got it at all for Android.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
How useful would your computer be without the 1 component you need to access to the Internet?

I don't mean to sound dramatic, and am really hoping someone can prove me wrong, which is the point of such posts.

But it's too bad that "component" you speak of is the key to the future ESPECIALLY for mobile devices. Few would care if that "component" missing was performance, Themes, Drivers, or any offline component.

But when The future of computing is the CLOUD. You better have an OS that can access it.

You do realize thin clients are coming and even PCs will become nothing more than a screen, just like ChromeOS right? Or do you read tech reports at all?

PS: with this news, I'm definitely not risking my $500 (or $300 if I sell the TF1) on a Transformer Prime with it's future relevance unknown.

PPS: @uploder how about supporting YOUR opinion with facts or just join a religion so you won't have to.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
Are we still talking about Flash here? Because to be honest the only difference in my browsing, be it mobile or otherwise, is that I don't have an app to watch YouTube on my computer.

I even use the option in Opera to enable a single instance of Flash if I really need it, like with YouTube.

Oh, and mouse over. That is something absolutely to be fixed, number one priority to fix for touch screen based browsing.

Also, if Flash died it would become a security threat soon enough, so it would be a plain and simple bad idea to have it installed. Just look at ActiveX, even IE has them disabled by default.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] klau1:
The lack of flash would affect more than just Youtube. Most people who know their way around the internet knows there are many other sources of videos than just Youtube that require Flash.

And even on the subject of Youtube alone, the Android Youtube APP LACKS in functionality compared to the desktop website.

For example, the APP won't auto-advance to the next video like it does on the desktop version.

This sucks if you want to watch news multiple clips (ie: theYoungTurks) on Youtube during your workouts (or some other activity where physical access to the device is inconvenient) .

So I have ditch the Youtube APP and go on the full featured desktop website (which requires flash).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gkillerx:
I like it, flash is bad for performance. I (as webdesigner) never use flash anyway, it's slow. Bad for Google and it is not really safe...

Jquery and HTML5 and CSS3 is all you need these days!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ExploreMN:
I think the OP is/was overreacting for sure, but having Flash on Android was one of it's bigger selling points in the mobile platform world. So, that does hurt Android. However, as Google starts to get their act together with a unified version of the OS like ICS (lets face it, the Gingerbread/Honeycomb thing sucked from both a marketing stand point AND a development standpoint) things could improve.

I don't think I'll miss flash since most of the sites I visit don't even seem to use it anymore except for banners or ads, but I guess I could be wrong since I've never tried surfing on the iPad much.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sontin:
Hm, when the sites change their ads from flash to something else this means that i can not block them. That's great...