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[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
If you want stats, here are some stats,

According to Neilsen, the average smartphone user has 22 apps (37 on iphone)

According to Localytics 1 in 4 downloaded apps are used once then discarded

Again according to Neilsen, the most used apps are Facebook, Google Maps and the Weather Channel (all available on WP7).

According to COMScore (Feb 2011), Users prefer to use mobile web over apps, 34.4% used apps in the USA versus 28% in Europe versus 53% Japan. I am not saying that apps are not important, they clearly are very important, but they are not the be all and end all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
This is a genuine question - how many games does the average smartphone user have? And how many of the top played games are on WP?
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
I have no idea how many games the average smartphone user has, I have one game, as for top games, the top on the iPAD (I have no iPhone) are bike baron, trivial pursuit, angry birds, sonic and sea All stars racing and aquaria, perhaps someone else can furnish the top games on android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WizardCM:
I'm sticking with my 1st gen LG Optimus 7, for multiple reasons.

1. You're right, there isn't much of a 'WOW' factor with the new phones. The wow factor of all these phones is the OS itself.

2. There have been many announcements in countries like the US, but so far it's been quite limited. I haven't heard of more Windows Phone handsets here in Australia.

3. Australian smartphones are expensive, especially SIM-unlocked ones. I bought mine for AU$650, and am happy with both the hardware (especially having hardware buttons, not capacitive) and the operating system.

The only thing I'm worried about further down the road, is how long it will take Microsoft to stop supporting older devices. In a couple of years, will they simply stop releasing updates to devices that are a couple generations old? Or will they continue supporting their followers? Should be very interesting to see.

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
I already got my Radar 4G... I don't mind the smaller screen cuz it feels more natural than the HD7 did. I can deal with 8GB storage cuz of Slacker and Cloud Music. It would be nice to have compass and Gyro sensor but it's not a deal breaker for me. I love the white color, front facing camera (for Tango'ing with my wife and kids) and the 4G data speeds. I'm really impressed with it so far. I thought it sounded like a downgrade from the HD7 but it is definitely an upgrade.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The Facebook app on wp is not the same as on ios and droid. The twitter app is terrible and twitter clients/integration and notifications on android and iOS are better. There is no linkedin official app for wp7.

No InstaPaper or Read It Later. No opera mobile or mini. No Pandora. No Vlingo. No official YouTube app - we all know third party apps still have a few issues with the service, Beejive or Trillian, Google Maps/Latitude, google+, etc. These are well known and popular apps. Yes 10%, but 10% these days is hundreds to thousands of very popular apps. That's why it's an issue. Cause dozens of apps I want aren't available on this platform, or are so poorly done that they mind as well not exist. I don't care about people hub cause I've had that since I for my first android phone back in 2009 or so.

Look there are even fundamental limitations in the platform like the inability for apps to receive gps data in the background, something even an iPhone can do. So apps like glimpse have a terrible user experience on wp7 compared to android or iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
There are obviously conflicting stats out there. The one I cited is quite reputable. Here is the link:

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/01/28/108-apps-per-iphone/

As for the "1 in 4 downloaded then discarded" stat, that doesn't really do much to support your position, since that implies that people keep 3 out of 4 (or 75%) of the apps they download.

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Well, there you go again. Trying to tell other people what is or is not acceptable (allowable?) behavior for them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sir. Haxalot:
No ****? All those services in the first paragraph are integrated in the OS, you shouldn't technically need the apps.

Most of the apps you're missing will probably come pretty soon when WP7 takes off. Which will be when the carriers and OEMs start to advertise their hardware. I get the feeling that Microsoft have waited for the Mango launch to push WP7. In other words, things should stabilize in 2012.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
They are integrated in android as well, just as deeply as in WP7. Not helping your point there, TBH.

And apps are needed because the integrations are barebones at best - on basically all the platforms.

We've been waiting for some apps for over a year now. Your definition of soon is?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
most of that is integrated into the OS as Sir Haxalot said. Who cares about instapaper, read it later and opera especially since IE renders sites better. As for YouTube and Pandora the html5 site works wonders.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
After playing with a colleagues Focus S I would say the speed increase is worth the upgrade. Stuck on tmo though so have to wait for either a pentaband Nokia or tmobile gets something better than the toy Radar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pakure:
for us guys on hd2..:-P What is an upgrade????..:D. Hd2 is the king
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Instapaper and readitlater allow offline viewing. Opera has opera link and it renders as well as any browser. mobile ie is useless.for webkit optimized sites. Sometimes half the site is missing. Opera is more supported. It also has text reflow and a more usable ui similar to mobile safari (on android) and.pre mango ie7.5. it has data saving features as well.

Ie9 mobile is one of the most time wasting browsers I've used on a phone especially with the mango changes to the UI.

Social is built into andoid phones as well. Great dedicated apps are still needed.

Obviously I care. Why ask a rhetorical question.

Have you used pandoras html5 site.on WP? Lol. Its obviously optimized for weblit devices. Its a terrible experience. Need a better youtube experience. Website doesn't begin to compare to the Android YouTube app and neither do any third party apps.

I upload my own videos yo YouTube. The website cannotbdo that on windows phone. Nor is it possible to watch and comment at the same time since the phone forces full screen viewing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rcxotic:
I definitely am! I want my front facing camera and a better camera overall. My current HTC HD7 camera is not very good :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
WebKit - Layout engine massively developed by Apple and then the Apple modifications were made open source like the rest of it. Any site designed around webkit is as bad as designing a site around Internet Explorer. WebKit is not an official standard. It is just commonly adopted to avoid writing a rendering engine when making a browser.

How exactly is IE mobile useless? Stating something is useless does not help anyone without providing details.

And what does it mean for IE 9 mobile to be a "time wasting browser" ??? I play Angry Birds and I consider that to be time wasting. I still play it though. I don't think you mean it in this sense, but you haven't given any details about what you mean.

Most users aren't jumping from site to site on their phones. They go to a site. Find the info they want and leave the site and shut down the browser. That is the typical use case. I've seen your posts about the tabs. They weren't a commonly used feature. You are not the typical user. Commonly used sites can be pinned to the start menu.

IE9 on Windows phone 7 perfectly renders virtually every site. Especially if you change the settings to get the full version instead of the mobile version. If it doesn't render properly without it, the site developers coded poorly.

Curious about why it would matter too much about what Pandora looks likes, since once the music starts streaming, you generally won't be using the display longer than that. Unless you aren't doing other things while listening, or like to embrace ADD and switch your focus everytime a new song is played.

Most users also aren't commenting on You Tube videos to begin with, let alone comment while it is playing. The commenters are in the extreme minority compared to those that just watch. Just look at the views and compare to the number of comments on any video. Why would you want to comment before seeing the end anyway?

All browsers that support HTML5 support a form of local storage. Is that what you mean be data saving? IE9 in Windows Phone supports HTML 5 and therefore supports local storage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fryjs:
I would upgrade if there was a compelling phone to upgrade to, but all the new generation phones have at least one issue that prevents me:

Titan: too big, lcd screen

Focus s: closest, but the physical design just doesn't do it for me

lumia 800: almost a buy, I like the design, but I wan't a non-pentile amoled screen, and 4"

Omnia w: smaller pentile screen, also it doesn't look quite as good as the omnia 7 it replaces

I don't really care about the storage, the 8GB of my omnia 7 is enough for my purposes (although 16GB would do me no harm), and apps/games are nice but I don't really have any 3rd party killer apps I use for anything important; mostly I just want a good email/calendar/contacts, browsing, messaging and sharepoint experience, which I already have. The only desire I have to upgrade is to get the faster cpu, gpu and storage.

If I could get a phone with the focus s internals and display that looked like an omnia 7 or lumia 800 I would buy it immediately. Or a droid razr running wp7, that would be good. Or a zune phone, that would also be good. Something with a design that isn't a rounded rectangle...

Having said all that, I really like the design of the nexus s, and android 4 has a gui that I mostly like, although the display is pentile, it is higher res so I could probably live with it. Maybe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Ie9 uses Trident or whatever it's called now. It has no text reflow so reading in it is a *****. Safari and the android browser has thebsame latter issue.

No forward button. Opera safari and chrome mobile have this.

No reading list feature like iOS, and no decent instapaper or readitlater app in the platform which integrates with the browser. Doesn't support bookmarklets like safari.

Getting to tabs requires going into a menu. Not the case with chrome and safari. Only supports like 6, I can load like 20 in opera.

On many webkit optimized sites the rendering is wrong and sometimes whole elements are missing. Opera tends t handle those better.

Opera Link for those who like to go from desktop to mobile.

Bringing opera over could potentially bring flash over if they embed it in the browser. Flash will never happen with ie metro.

I don't care what other people do I care what I need so I'll ignore your YouTube comment.

Opera mobile has opera Turbo to compress web traffic. It has nothing to do with html5 local storage. That feature is killer for people on capped data plans or low data limits, like my backup phone. You can set itbti only kick in when you're not on wifi, so its pretty much set and forget.

The whole point if Pandora is to tell it what you like and don't so that it can optimization its algorithm for you. I need an app for that. The web page is useless to me. Doing what you said does nothing but make me listen to music ibdont like all the time.

If your idea of good is simply acting like the terrible user experience doesnt matter, why even bother responding to me?

I love ho you people always know how the typical person supposedly see there phone. Lol. No. Tons f people spend lots of their tune browsing

Also add the lack of an option to make tabs load in the background to my list of annoyances.
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
I'm on contract for two years so doesnt matter to me! Probbably 3rd gen will be out by then which will be interesting :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmuntean2:
Never gonna buy another WP7 device again, useless phone, way behind android and iphone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ I wouldn't say useless. Its perfect for some.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zyxer_raffy:
Hope they'll make a 2.0GHz dual-core WP7 Phone. LoL

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[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
You show your inexperience with wp7 day in and day out. As for the instapaper I saw an equivalent app for it the other day

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I want the official app. I bought readitlater pro for android so good for Microsoft on that I guess?

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IE Mobile blows up text but leaves images unreadable. The text is more readable zoomed out. Image unintelligible. Some text is emphasized more than others.

But when you double click it doesn't reflow text. It just zooms it to that column. And so everything is still lea readable.

The toolbar at the bottom is more useful than in IE. in opera you can toggle the address bar with the menu key...

Back forward and tabs/menu/refresh are always there.

Ive tested and opera can load a ton if tabs. There is of course opera turbo to save data and link to sync bookmarks and stuff.

And great system integration of apps on that phone. note send to Read It Later. Which saves it for offline view.

I hate the yellow tint on the HD7 screen...

Look I'm not dogging ie. it's the best mobile browser ms ever developed and it's IMO slightly better than Mobile Safari, outside of the UI. But there are great hardware accelerated android browsers like opera mobile out there. That is where having alternatives is a huge time saver.

I don't want them to replace IE. I want a decent alternative to it. You cannot bring all of these features over without OS updates and certainly not in another skinned web control with a different UI.

This is also where the feature regression from WinMo hurts them. Apps were privy to tighter integration on that platform. You could sync bookmarks. IEs UI was fine for me until mango. Up until then I used it exclusively even though the rendering engine was terribad. Usability and interoperability means a lot to me. It makes working with the device faster and more efficient. At the end of the day I waste less time using Opera Mobile/Android than IE Mobile/WP7. It's easy to see why.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
Nope waiting for Nokia or asus
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
There were people complaining about the UI in IE before mango and now after there are still complaints,MS just cannot win. Of course opera turbo saves time because it hyper compresses content and redirects to mobile sites when you want the desktop version. Plus if you do manage to get the desktop version all the graphics are pixilated.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Those people were not me, so why should I care? The IE UI changes were brainless IMO. It did nothing to increase usability (actually did the opposite) all for < 100 pixels of extra screen real estate that any decent browser on any other platform gets for free by simply hiding the address bar when you scroll down and allow you to get it by hitting the menu button.

Also opera Turbo saves tons of data not time. It means you can stretch a low data limit MUCH farther than using another browser, and being able to set it off wifi only makes itnpurely transparent (set and forget).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nettwerk:
I will upgrade my HTC HD 7 to HTC Titan. Reason is FFC, beautiful design and bigger screen. But seriously WP7 works smooth on all devices andI love it, not than Android.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Yep, I have to agree on that one. The old layout was better, just for an example: if I pull out my keyboard the address bar will appear and vice versa. So I had fullscreen in landscape. And I think the fullscreen option is a must have on a 15:9 display. But now that current design is really not so well thought out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The IE UI changes are so bad that I can't really describe it. I cannot believe Microsoft did any usability studies for that. Otherwise it would not have gone live with those changes.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
I wish Bing had the search bar on the bottom like IE does cause it would be more natural for me to access it if it were on the bottom.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
the address bar doubles as Bing search

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[Windows Phone 7 General] docles2002:
To Mr N8ter,

I've got your point. But there is no use of arguing certain points here. Android has some good advantages as well as disadvantages. Same with wp7.No single device is perfect. Each person chooses a device based on their needs and the overall appreciation/assessment of that specific device and what it offers.Why argue when you cannot change person's mindset as each individuals had grown to love, be comfortable, with the device on hand and had accepted each device's limitations and shortcomings. Once that happens no amount of argument could change their mind. You will just end up losing great energy proving a point. So if you love your android by all means be proud of it. In the same breadth that if i am happy with my wp i will try to evangelize about it. Peace brother..

To the topic being discussed here:

I am happy with my hd7 right now and i will upgrade my device if one comes with a 32/64 gb. I love nokia lumia though. The rumored nokia 900 is what i am anticipating if it comes with the mentioned specs. Chao!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
He wasn't talking about IE, he was talking about Bing Search (as in, when you press the search button). In Bing the bar is at the top, but in IE it is at the bottom. It sounded to me like he wanted consistency.

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So on top of everything else, you now also own the forum?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well whadayaknow, the Focus Flash does have a FFC. For some friggin reason I believed it didn't have a FFC. Then I was perusing some photos of the Flash and could clearly see a round spot at top indicative of FFCs. After checking the reviews, sure enough, the Flash does indeed best the Lumia 800.
[Windows Phone 7 General] neoxphuse:
I have a Samsung Focus, with a 16GB expansion in there. I looked at the 2nd generation, and nothing impressive except the Lumia looks pretty sweet, arguably one of the most beautiful phones out there.

WP7.5 Mango made it so much better that I do not need a FFC, and am VERY happy with the way my phone is right now.

I'll wait to WP8 and see what happens. Plus I paid my phone outright, $600. I don't think I'll do it again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blindpet:
When a new tilt device comes out with a front camera and has xvid support, I will buy it to replace my 7 pro :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] 笑秋风:
I would upgrade if I had enough money:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] neibl:
HSPA+ ("4G") + 8MP camera + Super LCD + 1.5ghz = Titan worthy upgrade

Also it will be a huge upgrade in user experience over the HTC surround, which has been fun, since i love music, but I'd rather have something slimmer and bigger screen now.

Any other HTC surround users, who bored of the hefty brick and moving on? Loved surround though, just impressed by Titan alot more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew35133:
I'm just going with my contract right now, and waiting until the next gen since video chating isn't my thing. But glad MS is supporting 1st gens, anyone have a guess how long they will support these phones?
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I am waiting for an LTE Windows Phone for AT&T.

I doubt that I will be waiting for much longer. Microsoft has already released Mango+ which support LTE to OEMs. There's no need to wait for Tango1.
[Windows Phone 7 General] feygor:
I'm not going to upgrade yet, I think i'll downgrade my contract when it runs out in a few months, not because I don't think the new devices are worth it, but simply because for the first time I'm really happy with my phone. My Mozart has withstood the test of time and even after a year I still love it.

However if another wp7 device came out with a physical keyboard I think i'd go for that. I just don't like the default touchscreen one. It just doesn't work with my chubby thumbs...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Leapo:
I still have almost exactly a year before I can get a discount on an upgraded handset... so I'll probably stick with my Samsung Focus until 3rd gen hits.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
the more wp7 2nd gen devices come out the more im dissapointed with the specs, especially in the UK. why do we keep getting rubbish wp7 devices compared to our american iphone loving friends?
[Windows Phone 7 General] satchef1:
I'm actually happy with my Trophy still, I could run with this for another year quite happily. The new handsets aren't enough of an upgrade to tempt me away (which I actually like, 12 months on and my phone isn't obsolete! Yay!). I could definitely be tempted by a Radar though if I see one at the right price. Otherwise I'll hold off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Lord AnubiS:
The Titan looks pretty sweet and I think that could be a good upgrade for my HTC HD7. But the price I have to pay for one right now make it very unlikely since I'm outside the US.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rob_p:
The Titan is a very good replacement for the HD7. Really nice screen, that little bit faster, and FFC as well as much, much improved main rear camera.
[Windows Phone 7 General] airanp:
Well I wont be able to upgrade for about 6 months so unless something else comes out in the meantime, the Focus S will be my next phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Definitely going to be upgrading to the Titan come this Sunday. It'll be a very nice replacement for my HD7S.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
Wait another week and you can get it for $0.01 on Black Friday!
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
Seems like the Titan is the only WP7 "2nd" gen even worth considering. I guess i made a mistake thinking nokia would start the rollout of the next gen phones so i am not too impressed with the lumia 800 specs ( even though it looks awesome)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Klikerko:
If Microsoft doesn't step-up soon I will upgrade to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
I think the 2nd Gen devices are great. The radar has low specs yet its a joy to use!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Muvolt:
I would only buy a Lumia 800, but I can't give me a very important reason right now (except for its design). I have two LG e900 and they work fine (I hate their buttons though...)

I bought my LG in April for 430 euros and now it costs 190 euros (so I bought one for my woman two)!!! I hope something similar will happen with Lumia 800 after 5-6 months to be able to buy it without considering so much the actual differences...
[Android Apps and Games] stevoo82:
Looking for the latest apk.

Yes i know it is in the market .... but for some peculiar reason it is not avaialble to my country so i cannot install it.

So any willing soul out there please share !
[Android Apps and Games] mstfkaratas:
Here it is
[Android Apps and Games] AlbertHu:
Is there someone who can explain it? I dun no what it is about:confused:
[Android Apps and Games] momomok:
Basically it is a thread asking for a .apk for an app called "Listen", which is developed by Google

Web Market link here: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.google.android.apps.listen

Frankly speaking, I thought this thread would be a flame war on Android fragmentation or something similar... :o