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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xlGmanlx:
I think the phrase "good initiative, bad judgment" applies here. Not sure why the surprise at the reaction based on your actions. It was echoed almost universally throughout the community especially amongst fellow developers which to me is the most telling but its neither here nor there. I guess based on your response you still stand by your judgement call and i can respect that, but the important thing from my eyes is that the ROM is in the process of being restored to its rightful place.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] odub303:
This is uncalled for. Your intent in posting such a comment could only be to inflame the situation.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strongsteve:
I just want to say that the overwhelming support I received really warms my heart. I am choosing to not reinstate those roms. We can conclude this now..

The good thing that has come out of this is that some outstanding developers are choosing to offer odexed options and that is a good in thing. Thanks again.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] distantneighbor:
I have stated my opinions, and do believe in them, but I also believe in acknowledging someone when they make things right so....

Thank you Jerdog for making it right, and maybe you ain't so bad afterall :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] il buono:
Cool to see stuff worked out and hopefully all of the flaming can stop. Thanks strongsteve for all you have done for our phones :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] huynhc:
Unfortunately it appears the damage has been done according to strongsteves last post.

Likewise in regards to jerdogs post, he states to PM each other in private to resolve issues. I feel that if he followed his own advice and confronted supersteve about this prior to being judge and jury, this could have been resolved with good outcome. Unfortunately that was not the case.... either way xda has lost a great DEVELOPER. Kudos to you supersteve.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cdszoke:
It takes a big man to swallow their ego for the better of our community. I commend Jerdog even though it took some time.

On that note seeing the community stand up for a developer is a cool thing to see. You guys won this fight. But, by staying in this forum just to see if you win and than to just leave is not making a good statement. Its actually making the wrong statement.

If you leave xda than that's your choice but with a victory like this it would be better for the community that fought for you for you to stay. Just my 2 cents.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lafester:
I don't really have an opinion about all of this except I do feel the moderators should be much more INVOLVED in the community. We never hear from any of them they just work silently in the background. They should be posting constantly helping people out, showing genuine interest in our forum. I don't know how the inner workings of xda are set up but each subforum really needs a committed mod in order to be effective. Not saying this is easy. XDA is huge but recruiting the top contributors in each forum should be a high priority.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daryelv:
Thank you jerdog for taking a second look and responding to the community as a whole.

Strongsteve, it is a little sad that we are losing some of the choices for customizing our phones, all the best is sent to you. Hopefully after you've had a rest you'll get the itch to start customizing again and will release some newer/updated versions of your ROMs.

-Daryel
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] skykc0401:
Totally agree with ya. This is a win win situation . Like cds said we fought for u for u to stay not to leave. Mod took a step back and i think u should too dont leave us who supported u. ( english is not my first language if i stated anyway to make ya feel mad please dont)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strongsteve:
Jerdog never apologized to me or admitted he was wrong. He doesn't feel it was "development" work. I was pming with Mike and I feel the only reason it was moved back was because of the overwhelming support from you guys and a higher up decision. Of course I may be wrong. If anyone wants to try my latest, send me a pm. I am going to reupload it. Thanks again..

It is over and honestly .. good has come out of this.. odexed options are coming around.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ballzdeeeper:
To add my two cents, in the end of jerdog's post before locking the original post, he stated:

"Feel free to PM me if you have any questions - and I advise you to do so instead of creating another thread to voice your displeasure."

A definition of "forum" on dictionary.com states "a meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest" hence the use of the word to describe what XDA is. This, in my mind, includes any disagreement with the running of said forum.

A definition of "censor" is "any person who controls or suppresses the behavior of others, usually on moral grounds".

I think in this case jerdog is attempting to "suppress" or "to do away with by or as by authority; abolish; stop (a practice, custom, etc.)." any disagreement the users of the forum have with his decision.

And the using of the phrase "I would advise you to do so" I would infer there would be some kind of moderation action by jerdog on any such post.

Regardless, things could have been handled better on both sides from strongsteeve and jerdog, but I see no problem in users of the forum, whom with out XDA would not exist, voicing their displeasure of anything on the forum if done so with respect and dignity. Which almost all the users have.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
+1.5 mill

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tinybfk:
Occupy XDA? Lol

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
Super great post

especially:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xlGmanlx:
i can tell you i applied to be one, not because i want to lay the ban hammer, but because of the very reasons you outlined
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xlGmanlx:
And how is it ACS or MiK haven't tried to patch you in yet?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
ok, I have not chimed in here but I do have to say I have known jerdog for a while. I have always known him as a very helpful and FAIR individual. Now from what I read jerdog closed steve's threads because steve requested they be closed after jerdog moved them. I didnt read any of the threads that got "censored" so I cant comment there. I do think Steve's mods on the rom did warrant them being in development and I do think jerdog did make a mistake by moving them but we are humans and all make mistakes. I did not see jerdog being disrespectful or rude (I have never seen jerdog disrespectful or rude to anyone). I do think he made a mistake but I do not think he should have been attacked the way he did especially before he had a chance to publicly respond. But reading these threads it sounds like you guys are a very angry mob and are just short of putting a lynch mob together to go get him because he made a mistake. All the flaming was not needed. You could have just had a thread with positive posts and support for steve's work and petition to have them moved back without all the flaming. You catch more bees with honey kinda thing. jerdog did see the huge out pour of support which in turn made him reverse the decision he made. So a mistake he corrected and made right :) I'm not taking sides on this really but I do feel the comments about jerdog went a little far considering a lot of what was said about him I know is not true, I truly know him to be a standup guy who has helped many people (myself included many times over; everything from letting me use his fax account to letting me use a dummy esn to swap phones out). While I do feel there are a lot of mod's that are on power trips I honestly dont think jerdog is one of them at all. I guess when you're a mod you're put in that category "oh it's us against them and we hate all of them" While I'm sure there are many mods that actually deserve to be lynched I honestly dont feel jerdog is one of them.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
Any honest examination of the original "Open Letter" thread would see that it wasn't a discussion about moderators and developers on XDA - nor was this. It was a groundswell of support for one user who others thought had been wronged - which in and of itself is GREAT and welcomed - but it quickly turned into a flame war which has no place on XDA (XDA Forum Rules, 2.3 & 2.4). I got thick skin and can take a lot of abuse because you know what - it's the internet - it's full of people flaming other people for actions, etc. I get over it - no big deal.

The previous Open Letter thread was closed after I posted the answers everyone was looking for ("why did they get moved?", etc.) and it was proving a problem having it open while I was attempting to work with strongsteve others to resolve the issue and both sides had made their points. It was time to move on and to consider the way forward, not continue to gather opinions. There was no censorship and, as it would seem, none of you noticed I haven't deleted any posts in any of the threads for that very reason. I can handle users having issues and choosing to whine and complain and speak out about actions they think were not justified - but it belongs in General which is why I moved it there instead of Development (which incidently was a violation of the rules to place it in Development to begin with, but you also probably didn't notice that I didn't say anything about it nor did I infract the person who did post it there).

You are free to exchange ideas and thoughts and such - in the right place. And the reality is XDA is not a democracy and we as moderators do what we feel is best for XDA and the user community. We aren't paid - we do this on top of our other lives (some as students, others as regular joe's, and others like myself as having jobs and families).

And what goes on behind closed doors (i.e. PMs and such) with other users is none of your concern. You don't need to know - all you need to do is be positive contributors to the community.

Thanks again for your involvement and participation in XDA.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
Strongsteve - you're right - I should have contacted you prior to moving your threads to make you aware of the move beforehand instead of after the fact. That was my mistake and I am sorry. I am doing this in public so that all know I am not censoring any reply. :)

I do encourage everyone to read the rules about encouraging participation and/or redirecting traffic to other forum related sites (XDA Rules, 11, bullet 3):

It, along with all of the other Forum Rules are subject to infractions and/or bans as appropriate upon violation of them.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ptfdmedic:
It takes a big person to say that. Thanks alot for stepping up. Much respect :-)

I think this has run its course. Maybe we should all get back to why we are here in the first place. :-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
err... WAIT! you calling me fat?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strongsteve:
Sir.. thank you for that. I am grateful to be appreciated. Please understand that I certainly do not claim to be a developer at all. I just simply prefer an odexed rom.

Theme section or Dev section.. it really doesn't matter because I really felt the love today.. and that is worth more than anything.. Thanks for a wonderful community..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tomyboombotz:
So strong where's your new thread I need some odexed ics love
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LoveisPeace2012:
Where's the ganja when u need it

Peace & Unity
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
I'm smokin it :p
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strongsteve:
Hey.. link is back up. Tell how you like that gmail. If not, I'm gonna make a new one.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xlGmanlx:
just fired up dub side of the moon, best of both :D :D :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ptfdmedic:
Sure...... PHAT:-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
pass over here plz..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
I'm really happy to see this seems to have been resolved. I think we have to remember that we're all human, and as such, we are sacks full of this stuff, that is sometimes a blessing as well as a curse, called emotion. We're also not perfect. We make mistakes. If we didn't we'd never learn anything. Thankfully, it seems cooler heads prevailed here, and the parties involved tucked in their pride, made amends and put things right. This could easily have exploded into cluster of mass flaming and bannings and cover ups and conspiracy theories. It didn't, and I say hats off to you guys for not letting it come to that and for making things right.

On that note, I'm gonna crack a beer tonight and say a toast for Strongsteve's Odexed ROMs. Welcome back dude.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] conantroutman:
I think we're done here......... :rolleyes:
[Desire General] Clawsman:
Installed the drivers...now i dont know what to click to get out of HBOOT menu... i dont dare just clicking on anything.. help plzz :)
[Desire General] andQlimax:
do you think is normal to open an other thread to ask every single question??

you know the xda community count thousand of people? what if everyone open a thread??

use ur old thread..be patient for the response..search on google in the while

kindly regards
[Desire General] Clawsman:
ah..man.. i have googled to the scrap.. or else i whouldnt have posted this thead.

I guess there are many others wondering the same thing... so insted of redirecting me too google again you could have been a "nice" guy and just told me what to do... then we have a thread for the rest to find. jsus chrst
[Desire General] erklat:
A few things are normal here these days...
[Desire General] andQlimax:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19237355#post19237355

there are milions of thread about that, and no..open this thread will no help other people...an other person (like you did) will open a new thread!
[Desire General] Clawsman:
GR8! Thank U so much mr... Phone is RooteD :D

And others can get use of this thread as well! :cool:
[Desire General] steinkopff:
i had the same problem and thx to the threadstarter i know now what to do.
[Desire General] abaaaabbbb63:
You could have just taken the battery out -.-
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kattie29:
hey im new to this, is installing custom roms just like jail breaking an iphone ??

i.e. can we install paid apps from the marketplace for free ???

:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] equisgroup:
As far as i know this forum do not support piracy so we are not allowed to answer about paid apps.

CUSTOM ROMS will allow you to install homebrew apps by downloading .XAP files from programmers here or using 7marketplace, this APP will download from marketplace the .xaps for you to install them on the phone but it will download the freeapps thats why it is allowed here.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GoodDayToDie:
Custom ROMs are not at all like jailbreaking an iPhone - they're more akin to installing CyanogenMOD on an Android phone (gives new features, gets around stupid carrier restrictions or delays, etc.). In fact, it's exactly like doing that; CyanogenMOD is just a custom ROM itself.

If your goal is pirating apps, GTFO - some of us are legit developers too. At least read the damn forum rules before posting, OK?
[General Questions and Answers] FlexiPack:
Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy an Android phone and have narrowed it down to these two phones. There doesn't seem to be much between them in the specs. Are there any good/bad points worth knowing about either phone that might help me decide?

I intend to root and probably install CFW, both seem quite well supported in that regard. Is there much difference between the processors?..

Optimus Black - 1 GHz Cortex-A8 processor, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset

Xperia Arc - 1GHz Scorpion processor, Adreno 205 GPU, Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon

Thanks!
[General Questions and Answers] jimbo.levy:
Arc. The screen is miles better =]
[HTC Sensation] p0xer:
i've tried winamp, Music, and UberMusic

so far.. they all stop after the call end.

using bricked 0.91 kernel

2.3.4 stock

any ideas?
[HTC Sensation] SleemLDJ:
THE htc Sensation quite has that problem. Are you using any Custom ROMS?

i am using insertcoin's custom ROM of 2.3.5 and sense 3.5 on Sensation XE and i haven't experienced that problem.
[General Questions and Answers] Olivaro2k:
Hi.

I was using a SGS S GTI9000 with Goatrip 2.0 but since flash to CM7 I have no bluetooth and 3g/HSD functionality anymore. I flashed back to Froyo, Darky 10.2, Eclair, Goatrip 5, tried different kernels and modems to no effect.

Phone allows bluetooth so it seems but no other device can recognize mine anymore nor can my phone recognize any bluetooth device anymore.

Whenever I search for the problem I only find advise for modem flashing which I think is not the root of the problem. In spite of all stock&modem flashing, factory resetting and internal SD card formatting problem persists. Can anyone help me please? Problem known after all? Or idea what it could be and what I need to "type"/search to find a solution? THX!!!
[General Questions and Answers] Olivaro2k:
Have flashed Froyo and Darky's 10.2 Resurrection now as well as ZSJV6 Modem. If activating data roaming 3g and H works fine. But if data roaming is activated I do not get 3g running (in spite of activated SIMYO/Orange [provider] data package.

Bluetooth will run but not recognize other bluetooth devices. Any ideas what I could change? THX!
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
It seems like the bootloader being unlocked is the determining factor in development and implementation of roms/themes for this phone and I dont understand why. I know that unlocking the bootloader allows for some things like overclocking and other tweaks to be done that otherwise could not, but I dont understand why that effects the ability for us to get a working recovery and to be able to flash various mods, including roms and themes. My SE X10 didnt have a locked bootloader and I had xRecovery/WB v6.0 rom/Envy theme and various mods flashed to it just fine.

They ended up being able to unlock the bootloader but I never did it so my phone surely wasnt as fast as those with unlocked bootloader/custom kernel/oc but it was noticeably faster than it was stock so im wondering why we cant have the same on this phone? Aside from the part of not having a working recovery with which to flash them.
[Motorola Atrix 2] svtfmook:
the x10 modding was very dirty to say the least. if you've ever had a g1 or nexus device, you would see how much easier and less potential for problems involved with an unlocked bootloader. the bootloader allows for custom kernels and radios to be installed easily.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Mr. Clown:
Moved to proper forum
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
Less potential for problems? Unlocking the bootloader was the only way I could brick the x10. With a locked bootloader I could do whatever I wanted without fear of bricking it. Saying the modding was dirty doesnt mean anything to me, please explain. I never had any issues with the mods on that phone, it was inredibly better after running Wolfbreaks rom, thats one of the 2 reasons I even kept that phone as long as I did. Im just trying to understand why we need our bootlocker unlocked to get a rom on it. The Bionic bootloader is still locked but they have roms for it. I just dont understand.
[Motorola Atrix 2] svtfmook:
i mean less problems with a custom rom or problems for the devs trying to adapt to a non custom kernel. sure, unlocking the bootloader opens up the potential of bricking your device.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
So its harder to dev a rom for a stock kernel than it is for a custom one? You wouldnt think that would be the case but then again Ive never developed anything so what do I know?
[Motorola Atrix 2] svtfmook:
If its based off of a stock rom, its fine. But if you try to port a cm rom, miui or sdk port, its rough
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
That's exactly what Wolfbreaks rom was, a debloated, tweaked version of the stock rom. Even that was noticeably better than stock so i'm wondering if we could at least get that. It would be better than nothing, right?
[Motorola Atrix 2] kindacrazyazn:
but its not like we really need a debloated version of the stock rom. the phone is already extremely fast and most of the bloatware that we have can be uninstalled so what is the point? to waste the developers time just to give us something that will pretty much be same thing just barely be faster?
[Motorola Atrix 2] JRW 28:
One reason would be to OC. Would love to see how fast she performs OC to 1.2 :) plus I'd like to see CyanogenMod on top of ICS
[Motorola Atrix 2] travisxcore:
That and I'd like to have Sense. I miss having my HD2 with the Desire stock rom :(
[Motorola Atrix 2] Pirateghost:
you wont see sense on this device....pipe dreams dude. if you want sense, go buy an HTC device....
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
That's pretty obvious seeing as how we can get rid of most of the bloat out of the box. That you would even think that's what i'm requesting somebody do is quite ridiculous, then to type it out and post it even more so.

Wolfbreak and many other devs who contributed tweaks/mods to comprise his rom did waaaay more than debloat, LMAO.

I don't think anyone can say how much faster/smoother the rom will or won't be compared to stock until the work gets done....Wolfbreaks rom made the X10 noticeably faster on locked bootloader, I can only imagine what he could accomplish on the Atrix 2. But i'm not trying to insist anyone do anything for this phone, I was just questioning why everyone seemed to feel we needed to unlock the bootloader before we could get custom roms on the phone. I was expecting to hear some technological explanation about how it's not possible to apply the changes needed with a custom rom due to certain necessary files being unaccessible due to the bootloader being locked. But it just seeems it's a choice being made by the devs who want the full on custom rom/kernel experience instead of at least taking baby steps and tweaking the stock rom to get the most out of it until the bootloader unlock becomes available.

I'm sure there is lots of performance that can be unleashed with the right mods to the stock rom.....but I guess that's kind of putting the carriage before the horse seeing as how we don't even have a way to flash it if someone did do something.
[Motorola Atrix 2] kindacrazyazn:
ya i am not trying to say you are wrong or anything. i probably just don't know because when i had my first android phone i rooted and went straight to cm6 at the time and it was extremely fast compared to stock. almost anything was faster than stock too. personally if i were to flash a different ROM i would go with something alittle different from stock. that is why i would root it in the first place. OC and other tweaks like signal dbm and battery percent in the status bar would help a lot too but i guess it takes them alittle time to do that. i am excited to be able to overclock though. seeing that the sg2 can overclock to 1.8 Ghz makes me jealous. :mad:
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
Wow, thats a crazy OC!
[Motorola Atrix 2] travisxcore:
Hey a man can dream, wouldnt be the first time Ive seen Sense on a non-HTC phone.
[Motorola Atrix 2] kindacrazyazn:
I agree. I was like flipping out when I saw the article on xda and was thinking if I should have bought the sg2 but ATRIX 2 for life! Haha
[Motorola Atrix 2] koriflame:
You really can't beat the Atrix 2 for the price though. Most of us got it for $50. This thing can hit 1.2ghz for sure, the droid razr is using the same chip and being shipped at 1.2. We could probably even make it to 1.4-5 once its unlocked.
[Motorola Atrix 2] kindacrazyazn:
I can't wait for that day. I am also looking forward to the day when we get ics and more ROMs. I miss flashing new ROMs.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Gadgetz:
Same here! Although im kinda skurred about the oc thing. Oc = heat, increasing the heat

is decreasing the life of the device. I dunno, im just skurred!
[Motorola Atrix 2] kindacrazyazn:
Well i don't think ocing to 1.2 will be that bad. Now 1.8 is a different story though. I would like to underclock though. Even longer battery life!!!!! Lol.