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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's where my statement about worse development support is proven factual. Thanks for that.

Are you really going to continue trying to respond to only one sentence in my posts? Lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I didn't say they looked worse. I said they are worse. When you factor In things like performance, push notification reliability, features, and support the Android and iOS versions outpace wp7 factorably.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Still wondering why some people continue to use and post about WP7 when they hate it. NOTHING positive to say about the platform, just complaint after complaint. Isnt that what a masochist is? Maybe I should start trolling the android forums just for a bit of balance.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
Im with you on that lets flood the andoird forums with trolling see how that goes down.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I just traded my android phone for a wp7 mango phone and personally, I'm loving the switch
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Troll it, like I have to troll this phone to see if I have a freaking notification. This is sad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] finalzero:
That's the point, people like you and me are happy with the WP7 device, the OS does what we need it to and as a device it's capable.

No clutter, no downloading 500 apps and then wiping your device again because you realise they are all crap and you just want to get your phone back, it just works.

I am certainly no fan boy, yes I am a Microsoft Technology developer but I started off my Smartphone journey on an iPhone before coming to WP7 because I wanted to be able to develop for the phone (meaning I can use my skills) and because I wanted something that felt a bit more professional (kind of how the BlackBerry Bold felt to me when I owned one).

This site has become nothing more than a pissing contest between kids. People just want to have the latest and greatest fashion accessory, bling or bragging rights...standing in a school playground going on about the number cores they have or which OS is better, I did this kind of thing when I was young!

If it fails, it fails, but at least I have the freedom to choose what I want to do and not be dictated to by someone who wants to shout at others so he/she can feel better about their choice of phone (because they feel a little guilty for going one way or the other).
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I just got sick of constantly flashing new roms and needing to change things on my phone...

I get bored easily and if I have something that I can't be messing with 24/7 it makes me more productive.

Plus I personally find the wp7 ui beautiful, and oh so smooth.

I traded a phone with a 2nd gen snapdragon and more ram for one with a first gen and less ram, but performance wise it is still much faster imo.

Before mango I wouldn't have considered it, but now wp7 is a real contender imo
[Windows Phone 7 General] AnyMal:
Is this your best "argument"? Try again :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] crav4speed:
I personally enjoy the android trolling (not that I condone it).

I come here, read the new WP7 news, tips, tricks and hacks, laugh at the android fanboys and their childish remarks and thank the Lord that I don't have a phone that needs to have a force-reboot every 3 hours! :)

The WP7 ecosystem does need better games though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
no, that argument was beyond comical. Commonsense should tell any reasonable person, that it's much easier to copy and port than it is to create.

Ask yourself, how many apps came out on WP7 first, before being released on any other OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I just switched from android to wp7, and I LOVE wp7, but what you're saying about android is totally unfounded.

I had an htc incredible s and never once had to do a forced reboot, or had crashing, or anything along those lines. It was very fast...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Illicit Hero:
Maybe for you, my SGS2 has tons of lock ups and FCs. Only way I can get it to function sometimes is to force reboot it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] reeg420:
Not to mention they let pretty much anybody post some bull**** app in the android market. Are those apps counted? Even though I can't see them downloaded more than 5 times.

Xda should have stayed just windows mobile/phone. Instead of giving a home to the kidish android bullish.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Geez, you guys are pretty touchy about android hahaha

I just like nice phones, I have no alliances.

The way you are going on and calling android kiddish actually makes you seem immature, jus' saying'

That being said, I am happy I made the switch
[Windows Phone 7 General] AnyMal:
What does your question have to do with my comment? Are you accusing the developers who are releasing their apps across all mobile platforms of "copying"? You're right, Rovio should have never released Angry Birds for WP7 and instead create an "original" game like say Angry Pigs. You're right, Xbox Live integration and games is sooooo much better on IOS and Android. Supid Microsoft copycats. Your logic is comical at best.

Look, I get it that you don't like WP7, so why not move on to something else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Muvolt:
I really hate this fact...There are many low quality apps and they make our searches in the market much more difficult. Also, I don't think that Microsoft pushes the top iOS developers enough to bring more quality stuff for WP7. i still see many unbelievable apps coming out for iOS every month, whereas WP7 is filled with very few good apps. Big developers seem to prefer iOS and someone must whistle them a few really informative words about WP7...
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
They go where the money is...

It's a horrible catch 22.

wp7 will get more popular when it has more good apps, and also needs to be popular to get more good apps (to some degree anyway)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
done responding to you, as you clearly don't comprehend well. So ramble on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AnyMal:
Fanboy cornered by common sense and logic? Well, imagine that :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] VelJharig:
It's certainly easier to copy and port than to create something new from scratch. The new thing that many developers seem to create when coming to WP is a new app UI (to fit metro, ie. - Spotify's new look), but unfortunately that seems to come at the expense of app features with many devs.

I disagree with your implication that the Marketplace growth in the first year isn't significant because it is just "copying/porting" apps from iOS/Android. That app store growth due to porting hasn't happened in the first year for WebOS, or Bada, or any of the other platforms that are struggling to establish themselves against iOS/Android. I think it's rather dismissive to say that ~35,000 apps in a year isn't significant when other platforms of similar age (such as Bada, which was apparently outselling WP at one point) sit at 1/7th of that size in terms of their app stores.

I genuinely don't understand the second part of your argument. How is a count of how many apps came out on WP7 first a relevant benchmark? I've gotten the general impression that every other platform basically gets app ports from iOS (other than system management utilities and interface tweaks, which show up on Android first, for obvious reasons). Is there any significant number of non-utility apps that have come out on Android first, before being released for iOS, or is Android in the same boat as WP? This is an actual question... I don't know the answer; I had just gotten the impression that most app development is basically secondary to iOS versions on all other platforms.

I don't think a lack of first platform titles is a legitimate knock on WP specifically if that is the case... with one exception: games. There is no excuse for MS not being ahead of every other platform when it comes to gaming on their device, with dev connections through Xbox, and the amount of integration and assistance they could provide for devs developing using XNA and XBox Live. That is the one area where I think it is inexcusable that MS doesn't have many "first platform" titles for WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Some Apps unique to WP7 (correct me if I'm wrong),

...i'm a WP7!

4th & Mayor

MoBudget

Insider

Smart Tile

Thumba Cam

WPBench

WPCentral

and maybe more...

JFYI, it is quite unfair to compare which apps come out first for which OS because in this field, it is as a 100% win for iOS while compared to their timeline of each OS, especially WP7 only passed it's 1 year old.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Your "JFYI", has proved my point. Its much easier to port than it is to create. Which is what the marketplace is really made up of. Mostly ports.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Why is that supposed to be bad in any why? First people cried about oh so common apps missing from Windows Phone. Now that they've got them the same people cry about unique apps missing. What the heck?
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
There has to be a reason, why Vetvito has Marvin as his avatar ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I never sad it was bad. People just use the bullsit argument that it's the fastest growing mobile market. Yes it is, because it's easier to port than to create.

However, there aren't many users in the marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The market is different now than it was then so there is no real 1-1 comparison. Like vetvito is saying, it is a lot easier to port apps from other platforms so that is one thing that heavily factors into making the numbers larger.

On the other hand, there is MUCH more competition now than there was before, which means that developers are more likely to focus on the platforms with large market share than a new platform. That contributes to making the numbers smaller.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
thank you. Someone understands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] uryu_ishida:
Being able to easily port an app to WP7 is a nice advantage for any platform competing against entrenched incumbents. In what way is market place's fairly decent growth, especially in light of its poor sales, a "bull" argument? Isn't it a good sign of the platform's viability from a user's perspective?

There is no possible way WP7 is going to compete with iOS/Android on the apps front unless it gets the users first. Any sign that the Market Place can provide just enough utility to users and try to attract them with other parts is a good thing for the platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
LOLZ, someone just can't stand that they are not as unique as they are thinking...

Thus they are making the statements that oppose from common people to make them look superior and visionary than others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I cracked my Samsung Omnia screen last week and now I am using this broken phone because right now there is noway to backup your SMS or transfer it to another phone.. so if I break my phone by accident than I loose everything.. my last one year of precious text conversations.. if I knew I will be stuck in future with a broken phone like this I would have never bought this stupid phone.

And their is no Calendar app.. front tile only shows 'one' appointment because it looks beautiful .. the calendar is pretty much useless.. AND ITS ONE YEAR NOW. NO Pocket Informant!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Well, that's how it is in Android too. There's no way to backup game saves or a lot of stuff. iOS is the actual only one that backs up the whole system with apps and games saves and all that other stuff.

And before anyone says you can backup in Android, I'm talking about non-rooted devices. There's an app called MyBackup Pro that will save a lot of stuff, but not games saves. Not sure if it saves SMS and such.

Give it time, WP7 will have all that good stuff eventually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ misinformed? You can back up everything without root.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Prove it....
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Just copy whatever you want to backup. Contacts, SMS, game saves, whatever...this should be common knowledge by now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
There are a lot of games that don't provide files to copy. And I have no clue about SMS files...where they are. And I'm familiar with it. The common user would never know where to find that stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
How could you copy it without root? You need root for titanium backup, root explorer, etc..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Smh... There's a app....

Here is one of many: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-rerware-android-mybackuppro-jmnC.aspx

No root required.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Instead of shaking your head at me (considering I have been using android for the past two years), you should learn to read.....

"NOTE: Data/setting of applications can only be supported if you have a rooted phone, or if the application integrates with us."
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Still smh.... Take your own advice and notice I said one of many.

you can do more manually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
You're a supreme arrogant douche....

Like I said, prove it then.

You seem to keep talking about the ability to do it, but can't provide any evidence aside from an app that proved my point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Name calling huh? Its been proven, not my fault your search and comprehension skills aren't up to par.

Ignore list.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
In true Microsoft fashion, they're bringing cloud game saving to the 360 but not to WP7 when the same Gamertag is used on both :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
LOL typical....

"Oh sh-- 've been proven wrong, quick attempt to save face!"
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
For entertainment only, who was proven wrong and how? What exactly cant you back up without root? App state, is only one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I thought I was on your ignore list?

I never said there wasn't anything you could back up, but you made it seem as if you could back up everything....

I knew that that was not possible
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Vetvito is okay. He gets misunderstood a lot. Just be patient with him, he's an okay guy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Android backs up app data and automatically restores it when you reinstall the app (like on another phone) iOS 5 does the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not so in my case. My Inspire, which I did a factory reset on after the last update, did not restore the game saves or any of the other stuff. Android does backup apps...some apps, not exactly all...and system settings, but it has never restored game saves or SMS or any of the other stuff Titanium Backup would on a rooted phone. In fact, no Android device I've ever used...and I've used a lot...has ever restored what you say even on rooted phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
In the stock OS on my phone to backup and restore app data and settings. It works. It's off cause I'm using the 200mb data plan sim in that phone at the moment.

SMS I don't care about, but tmobile has an app to do that that doesn't require root iirc. I know they have contact backup. I use beejive and trillian on my devices so I can just email them to myself (labels and filters work nicely for this) and in the case of google talk that happens automatically server side. Beejive let's me backup to SD card as well.

I tend to clear my SMS a lot and utilize note/memo apps for information that is important.

That's what the "Notes" field in the contacts app is for ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's true, Android will restore system apps, system app settings and such, but it has never restored game saves or SMS, emails etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You cannot uninstall system apps, so you're fumbling now. I already said it works, cause I've tried it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'm not trying to argue, but I just don't believe you because I've never had that experience. It's the reason I paid $5 for Titanium Backup so I could save my game saves and other stuff. Android will not restore games saves or SMS or emails or the other stuff on a non-rooted device. I know it won't because I have never had it do it. And with my HD2, I have restored a plentiful amount of ROMs. As well as my Inspire and all of the other Android phones I've had.

Android will restore user installed apps...some of them, not all. But it won't restore the data of those apps...like game saves, login info and such. And Android will restore system settings like vloume, display time-out and stuff like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
that is not at all true.....

I have been using/tweaking/modding android phones for two years.

Total bs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
I know android have this function, and I enabled it and it never work for me... @@"
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
I don't know about more modern android phones, but my desire certainly did NOT back everything up when I had to reset it ( which was often BTW).

Sent from my TITAN X310e using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
http://allthingsd.com/20111114/developers-interest-growing-in-windows-phone-waning-in-blackberry/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I have seen one such article coming out once every 15 days for last one year... all talk, no results.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
useless because it only shows one appointment? are you seriously that lazy that you cant click on it to view the agenda where it shows appointments as far as the eye can see. sorry but the calendar is far from useless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I cannot believe someone from Chicago would say that.. I am guessing you use this phone as a walkman and thats all that you want from it..

In prep school they teach you how to look at a calendar.. its always monthly/weekly view where you can READ your entire months/weeks appointment in one glance... ever seen a calendar hanging on wall and people writing stuff on that.. so that they can see whole months schedule in once glass... not utterly garbage view which it has at present or the scrolling list which you mention in your stupid comment.. I have a dentist appintment on dec 15.. so i just want to scroll my calendar to that month and be able to find that appoint .. and not go to agenda view .. start from nov 14 and scroll all the way down to dec 15 to find when is it that i have that appointment.. u r so dumb to think that agenda view is off any use.. i dont think you have anything on your calendar and just use it to find what day it is.. like wed or thusday.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I can see your point and hope MS or an indie comes up with a better view.

EDIT - What would be cool is for MS to put out a calendar app with a 4-tile tile. Would take the space of 4 tiles and allow for a whole month-view calendar to be readable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
http://www.i-programmer.info/profes...3323-windows-phone-7-sunk-by-silverlight.html

........?
[Windows Phone 7 General] buffalosolja42:
New WP7 backup tool* for the conversation earlier

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19341502#post19341502

Author says 100% backup so the guy with the Omnia you may need to try this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeremyshaw:
Seriously? There is a "monthly view" icon... there are only three buttons on the bottom bar, lol. Not that hard to find. And don't complain because you have never seen it before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
what are people from Chicago supposed to say? jaja N8ter apparently is from Chicago as well and says lots of outrageous things but I would never dare to say something like that. I just assume that he lives where all the hipsters live (between 6500N and 400N and 00W and 2200W).

Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The chicago in my screenshot is cause the dual clock lists Chicago for CST ZONE, not cause I live there.

Are you really that ignorant?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Well, that is our "good friend" eric, after all... ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
Do you speak english?? you cant view/read any appointments in that view.. they are just a grid/bunch of boxes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Hehe. Yea. I use the dual clock cause I moved from CST to EST. People there still give me times in CST and its less wasted brain cells if that clock is on my home screen tobreming me of the difference :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
Doesn't change the fact that you seem like a hipster

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[Windows Phone 7 General] jeremyshaw:
Better than you do. Of course, you must be one of those folk who think a ~4" display is going to be able to display a 31day calendar in it's entirety and still have readable text in each box. Of course, you ignored the entire context of the post, so you probably are just projecting your own issues, lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
In part I agree with you. It would be unreasonable to expect the month view to be able to display readable appointments in the grid. However, I don't think it would be too much to expect it to display the appointments for a given date beneath the grid when you tap on that date, as opposed to having the tap take you back to the scrolling agenda view, requiring you to press the back button to go back and select another date to view. I also don't think it would be asking too much to add a week grid view, where readable appointments could be displayed in the grid. And furthermore, I don't think it would be asking too much to be able to select the default view you would prefer to see when opening the calendar app (agenda, week, or month). Oh, and FWIW, the old SBSH calendar app for WM6 offered all of those features, at least three years ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
This application might open your eyes:

http://www.pocketinformant.com/products_info.php?p_id=pocketinformant_android

The present calendar is unacceptable and a redundant piece of, I cant even believe people are debating otherwise..
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
And with that this thread is locked. If the language doesn't start to improve some of you are going to start getting real familiar with the infraction system.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mrgrossm:
I'm sure this is a noob question, but can you update a rom (unnamed) using the update zip if you skip an update. I'm at 1.0.4 and I want to update, but it looks like the update says v1.1.0-v1.2.0, so does this mean I can't use it to go from 1.0.4 directly to 1.2

I've got a ton of apps on, so I'd rather not factory wipe if I can help it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Gtg uses non-wipe installs for this reason (I think). You can't use the 1.1.0 to 1.2 update, but you can use the full 1.2 package, and you shouldn't lose your apps.

But, you may want to back up beforehand to be safe.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Knips178:
I'm at UnNamed v1.1.0 currently and want to update to 1.2.

What I'm unclear on is the Wipe data step. Do I need to do that if I'm using the appropriate update zip or is that just in the instructions for clean/new installs of the full zip?

Better yet, what exactly does that step even do? Does that clear personal/saved data or program data like settings?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joshuadjohnson22:
That step clears your rom wipes anything on that rom, if you are running 1.10 all you have to do is flash the update zip 1.10-1.20 (not the full zip) and reboot :) its easy, i did it last night

the full version is if you are coming from a different rom or want to do a fresh install
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Knips178:
Worked like a charm. Thanks
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mmtrago:
anyone try the NFC option?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dave7:
i went straight from 1.0.4 to 1.2 without any issues.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] creepyncrawly:
No apparent issues. gtg456x said you should install 1.2.0 full without a wipe rather than skip over an update.