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[HTC Sensation XL] shingers5:
as far as i am aware thats a NO! if you read the disclaimer prior to unlocking your bootloader it states that you may not receive official update notifications. however we will always have it here first on XDA and it will always be better than official stock rom. saying that if and when ICS is officially released you can relock your bootloader then flash stock rom that came with device and receive official updates
[Galaxy S II General] damirbusic:
I am not happy either but it seems that 4S is really the best that you can buy in mobile phone when it comes to camera.

http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php
[Galaxy S II General] vnvman:
Yep, they did it again. I wonder why OEMs don't try to make better cameras with good lenses on Android devices...
[Galaxy S II General] rees397:
5m is good enough for me
[Galaxy S II General] damirbusic:
Megapixels are not important at all, iPhone 4S has Sony camera and yet SE can not come close to iPhone camera in mobile phones, I really dont get it, they at Samsung should buy 10 iPhones and then try everything to make somethin better in camera department and also in housing quality, sometimes I think that people in Samsung have never seen iPhone in person or felt how it feels in hands with that perfect quality.
[Galaxy S II General] rovex:
Not so fast.. They used one daylight and one night shot. The difference between the 4S and the GS2 was pretty small, with the GS2 winning some of the measures. It depends on priorities. For me the GS2 just takes it actually.

Video on the GS2 can be modified to have higher bit rates than the 4S, and it does improve the video.
[Galaxy S II General] ironslave:
I would too like to see better camera improvement on future generation phones. Yes, phones aren't dedicated cameras and won't give the same quality as one, but using your phone as a camera is just so convenient, especially carrying around a thin phone compared to a bulky camera. Would like to see a camera that snaps quick like the Galaxy Nexus with a better lens/sensor.
[Galaxy S II General] chrisjcks:
Absolute BULL****!

Hands down iphone4s offers best video recording?

If you prefer un-natural colours, poor low light footage and an 'extremely choppy video- when moving sideways....

Are they for real?

Funded by apple?
[Galaxy S II General] Demon_man:
this is BS gsmarena has already done a test and they said the gs2 was far superior so were do they get this crap from
[Galaxy S II General] Toss3:
PC World did a much more thorough comparison:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/241955-2/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4s_vs_the_android_elite.html

Great cameras on both phones!
[Galaxy S II General] diggedy:
Maybe you havent seen an Xperia arc camera. Ive had one and it beats the iphone hands down. Not only have I seen this online but me and friends with iphones have compared them and even they concede that the arc is superior.

Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over.
[Galaxy S II General] seilent:
I have S2 and 4s, but I have to say 4s is better (for me) when taking a pic..

such as capture speed, exposure, and color..

similar but better, how should I say that :D

but when it comes to video recording S2 rocks :D

I'll post both photos from S2 and 4s later..
[Galaxy S II General] Toss3:
Comparing your arc to your friend's iPhone 4S does not constitute a proper test. Post picture comparisons here and let us judge for ourselves, because unless you do so, your argument is void and you come off as a simple fanboy. I mean you are arguing that the tests done by review sites are completely full of ****, yet fail to provide any evidence to prove your point other than your word. So in your opinion, in whom do you think we have more faith: you, or the tech sites that have years of experience and none of the obvious bias?

Looking at comparison shots across multiple review sites that have the know-how on how to take a proper photograph, I have yet to see a single shot taken with the Xperia Arc that would immediately crown its camera the king of those found in mobile phones. Its camera is good, but far from the best. The N8 is the clear winner there.

Judge for yourself(arc s left and iPhone 4s right):
[Galaxy S II General] godefroi:
Have to give that one to the 4S. The Arc looks unfocused (way less texture detail in the walls).
[Galaxy S II General] damirbusic:
iPhone 4 has perfect 720p video but it is shaky as hell ! GS 2 has also great video but I think that it could be sharper and also I dont see stabilization option in video department ? I also use only 720p because I dont need 1080p.

Higher bitrate on Galaxy does not have better video, sound is great now with that tweak but I think that there is no test on the internet that says that Galaxy SII has better camera than iPhone 4S, I dont like that but I must accept it, and Galaxy is out for a long time now.
[Galaxy S II General] Toss3:
The PC World test I linked to did put the SGS2 ahead of the iPhone 4S, but the pictures clearly speak for themselves; the camera in the iPhone 4S is much better.
[Galaxy S II General] htc9420:
I can't figure why anyone even bothers doing pointless amateur comparisons, I only can guess that flaming and clicks...

When it comes to photo, there's usually more than meets the eye that should be taken in consideration when considering a shoot-out:

1. Details about the camera: the sensor itself ( circuitry and pixel pattern/array),pixel density on the sensor, optics ( CZ vs plastic)

2. Details about the camera usage specs- firmware dependent: init time, focusing interval, focus points, capture response time, ISO values-what values are useable, dynamic range, shutter speeds.

MAYBE most important

3. OS-dependent details: jpeg/compression algorithm, color rendering algorithm, noise reduction algorithm, ...

Give me a RAW file from any sensor and I can make the photo better looking than anything.

Given that fact they are making a review about cameras, though cell phones cameras, they should have the decency to ask someone that has written a review about cameras.

It's like writing about wines and declaring one to be the best solely by the time and volume it took to get the girl into the bed.
[Galaxy S II General] mad2fly:
This is interesting. I would like to have a phone with the perfect camera. Such a thing doesn't exist. So I have chosen the phone that is best all around.

If all I wanted was a great camera and didn't care about any other features I would take what my wife has, a Nokia N8.
[Galaxy S II General] MrPhilo:
I have both the phone. The quality and video recording is indeed better on the iPhone 4S from what I can see in my eyes.

But c'mon guys? When did the S2 come out? You really gonna think 'Apple' won't be spying or checking up on competitors to release something 'atleast' better during iPhone 4S production?
[Galaxy S II General] Remix2011:
These reviews are easilly manipulated.

PC world gave a much better non biased review and it puts the SGS2 above the Iphone 4s in the camera department.

One thing is sure is that the SGS2 gives better night shots then the Iphone 4S.....The Iphone 4S gives a brighter picture but loose a lot of details.
[Galaxy S II General] htcplussony:
I've hated phones that use noise reduction/edge sharping to scrub out the detail and replace it with digital artifacts. Whats wrong with grain.

So from that stand point I love what Apple is doing with their unit. Detail isn't something you can get back once its lost.
[Galaxy S II General] angelomaldito:
SGS2 v iPhone 4S v Nokia N8 (12mp)

Hi guys, take your own opinions using the GSM Arena picture (and video) comparison tools:

http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=3621&idPhone2=4212&idPhone3=3252

Using the link above, place the focus on different places and look for the difference. In my opinion, at a first glance in a coloured picture the iPhone 4S seems better due to its white balance (something that you can easily change accordingly to the actual light conditions). However, when you place the focus on the remote areas of the pictures (i.e. the far background) you'll see that the SGS2 shows it in a considerably greater detail. The Nokia N8 is very good as well, but not the best of them.

In my opinion, they are all very good, but could be better. I'm very happy with my SGS2 camera, and I would also be with of either the iPhone 4S's or the Nokia N8's camera as well. However, even though for me (for *me*, of course not for all of you), camera is the most important feature on a phone (I came from a M8800 pixon, arguably the 1st 8mp headset :D), but it isn't everything. I love the SGS2's 1Gb RAM and the 1.2Gh dual core processor as well, and especially it's Android OS ;)
[Galaxy S II General] DummyPLUG:
Is that so important which is the best when both cam can provide you a good image?
[Galaxy S II General] chrisjcks:
Good find! :)
[Galaxy S II General] diggedy:
I didnt compare the arc to the the 4s, I compared it to the 4 as the message I quoted was stating that SE cannot compare to the iphone, not the iphone 4s, but the iphone in general.

I interpreted the post to be saying OEM manufacturers are always behind the iphone whereas in my opinion the iphone is always behind OEM when it comes to the camera.

If you read, what I said was "Granted the 4S is better than the 4 but then its a newer phone, expect newer sony phones to beat it again all over." meaning the 4s will be better but expect OEM manufacturers to better the 4s as newer phones are released.

One other thing, I know quite a bit about photography, its something I do a lot in my spare time (and im talking about SLR cameras, not just phone cameras) so I do consider my own tests quite accurate (it wasnt just a simple case of us comparing random photos) but if you search the internet you will find plenty of comparisons between the two phones (iphone 4 and arc) which back my claims up.

And believe me im not a fanboy, I dumped my arc in favour of a galaxy SII even knowing the iphone 4 and arc both beat it in terms of camera quality. Im not even an apple hater, I used to have an iphone but I prefer android due to its openess.
[Galaxy S II General] alangrig:
Comapred 4s and SGS2 and read several professional reviews. SGS2 beats in every department, expect low light image (not video), but difference is miserable :)
[Galaxy S II General] THUDUK:
The SGS2 might take a little longer to start up, but the customisation, built in settings/effects and final quality in my opinion are far better than the IP4 and just a bit better than the IP4s, although the SGS2 still has so many more functions and built in settings, like anti shake, panoramic, scene settings and lots more

IP4 - 6/10

IP4s - 8/10

SGS2 - 9/10 (faster start-up and it would be perfect)
[Galaxy S II General] Xerovius:
Does the iPhone 4S have the pink spot issue?
[Galaxy S II General] THUDUK:
Does the Samsung Galaxy s2......answer NO
[Galaxy S II General] Toss3:
Okay I apologize then for being rude, as I was under the impression that you were comparing the Arc to the 4S. Wasn't my intention to attack you personally, it's just that you run into trolls way too often on these forums these days, and one can never be sure. ;)
[Galaxy S II General] michal_alton:
Hate to say so, but mine does. Not in daily use though, but taking a picture in certain conditions shows a pink spot. Maybe mine is damaged or so, but it definitely has a pink spot issue.

But it still takes great pictures outside!

In both pictures ceiling should be all white, definitely not pink in the middle :-(
[Galaxy S II General] THUDUK:
Bloomin eke, if my camera had that problem it would have gone back to the shop straight away...you got a major issue there matey.
[Galaxy S II General] svceon:
That is due to the kind of lens SGS2 has, it is a physical limitation, and can only be diminished by software workarounds. It is present in many dSLR's and while not sure, i believe it is present in iPhone 4S, and if you can't see it, it is due to software workarounds.

Yes, camera on Arc looks unfocused, and i don't seem to be able to get why that is a camera quality issue...since the 'focus' is only relative to the photographer.

iPhone 4S's camera is a Sony one, same technology which comes with the latest SE phones, why is it better?

Thank you.

You actually might be one of the few which actually makes a good, valuable point. Reviews are manipulated. And the more the 'reviewer' is known, the more susceptible it is to be manipulated.

I say:

These cameras are top notch technology wise, they have a lot of lens development and they are exceptionally good. The only difference between SGS2 and I4S is the work that is behind it after the shot is taken. - this is my hardware opinion.

As for my personal opinion, i do not like the colors and that the IP4S renders, i get the 'fake' feeling, as for a woman with full make up, completely not natural. Now, is it supposed to be better than the SGS2? YES IT IS! Apple has to do it, Apple has to destroy the competition in order to get more sales, and I say they failed, and i guess Apple knows it, that's why they gave more emphasis to shutter lag in the iPhone 4S launch/presentation.

Still, WTF?! why the hell would anyone want to compare the camera on these phones? if you're so into photography, get a dSLR/SLR...you may also use you android device to remote control you camera.

---------- Post added at 10:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 AM ----------

while i believe that the intensity of the issue is variable, i'm pretty sure it is present. you have some real good thoughts throughout this thread.

Quoting BlueScreenJunky, a lot of Canon/Nikon/Pentax cameras have this present and they do not spend millions in development to 'solve' this issue.

Also, while some get the pink syndrome, others get a blue taint instead.

You can also chek this, it shows it is present in a lot of devices, as it is a lens physical limitation.
[Galaxy S II General] darkshift:
iPhone 4S has more noise and artifacts

By judging the test photos, its obvious that iPhone 4S has more noise than Galaxy S2 especially in the sky. iPhone photos seems much more processed to me while Samsung looks more smoother and natural.

Also saturation and contrast is stronger in iPhone which may give impression of "better" camera. Some may prefer this look however.

Galaxy images exhibit cooler color temperature by default, and I think more warmer hues would make it look a bit better.
[Galaxy S II General] Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast:
I think test wasn't too fair. Yes, Galaxy 2 has bad autofocus, makes a lot of noise in night recordings and also produces lags. But some tests variables like colors are wrong. If I want to have saturated colors I will do that myself. I want natural colors first which are just better in SGS than others.
[Galaxy S II General] nipip:
sgs2 camera doesn't work as expected, at least for a lot of people like me.

it's enough to skip to buy this phone.

Enviado desde mi GT-I9100 usando Tapatalk
[Galaxy S II General] parhelion69:
Actually the best phone camera is the nokia N8...
[Galaxy S II General] mr mystery:
Yet you bought one :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] sharpey:
Shocker a newer phone has a better camera than the S2
[Galaxy S II General] :
And then i think iPhone SUCKS :D
[Galaxy S II General] OpenMinded:
well big one they missed: the doubleshot!

i think it is the best mobile cam i have had in my hands
[Galaxy S II General] jonny68:
New iPhone 4S - €599

Protective Case - €30

Exploding days after you

purchase it PRICELESS

:D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8927926/Second-iPhone-explodes.html
[Galaxy S II General] ste1164:
Can't really have a go at the iPhone when another galaxy s2 device has done the same

http://m.bgr.com/2011/12/01/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-skyrocket-explodes-in-mans-pocket/
[Galaxy S II General] gr4ndm4st3r_bl4ck:
Want a good camera? Buy a DSLR.

Want a phone with a good camera. Buy an N8.

Want a good phone? Buy a Galaxy S2.
[Galaxy S II General] Li4m79:
Or the sony ericsson sato
[Galaxy S II General] Star_Box:
The galaxy s2 camera (8mb) is better than the n8 (12mb)

I tested both
[Galaxy S II General] gr4ndm4st3r_bl4ck:
Yet another claim without no evidence at all.
[HTC EVO 3D] cody_cummins:
Anyone notice speaker crackling when playing music or ringtones when running eternity rom? Have tried 2 different kernels bcblend and anthrax kernel and seems to be the same!
[HTC EVO 3D] SolsticeZero:
Sounds like a blown speaker. The only time I hear speaker crackle is when I'm on a phone call.
[HTC EVO 3D] animal7296:
And if you have TEP then sprint will replace it for free.
[HTC EVO 3D] cody_cummins:
I have best buys insurance, i was hoping maybe it was releated to the eternity tom that has infected beats
[HTC EVO 3D] cody_cummins:
I tried the stock kernel, still same thing, i didnt try switching roms but i heard that there is an issue how beats is tied into our roms and thats whata causing the crackling can anyone confirm?
[HTC EVO 3D] 0ri0n:
If you are talking about playing music through the headphone jack, I can kinda confirm that the crackling disappears when not using a beats rom. I used Eternity and experienced the crackling. Switched to Olympus beatless and the crackling disappeared.

If you are talking with the external speaker, sounds like that is blown and will need to be replaced.
[HTC EVO 3D] cody_cummins:
Its the external speaker.... Damnit here we go :(
[HTC EVO 3D] antonio824:
Actually I was having that problem but noticed it only when the screen turned off. I switched Roms since but check to see of that's the case. Turn the screen on with no time out and see if it doesn't crackle. If so, its the ROM. If not, still could be. Haha
[HTC EVO 3D] 0ri0n:
Have you tried with anything that doesnt require beats? maybe youtube or a movie? If no crackle there, then its the rom.
[HTC EVO 3D] cody_cummins:
This weekend i believe im gonna nandroid and install a stock rom and see what happens, i hope its not the speaker, if it is guess ill see if best buy will fix it
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] papiken07:
I wont recompile Settings.apk and i don't it do.

Please make this for me

http://www.multiupload.com/9AX71U20LV
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] kashem58:
you need to sign the .apk for it to work
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] papiken07:
How do it. ?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] royalbloodvi:
If you go to About Phone in Settings, it will tell you the build date.

I heard somme phones suffer from lag while scrolling (including mine), my build date is 19 oct 2011, anyone else suffering the same?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] ianford10:
29th October 2011 for me.

No lag, just fab by :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] kholk:
Anyway, just for pointing it out, "Build date" isn't the phone's building date.

It is related to its software :)
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Szadzik:
Oct 29th here. Perfect phone with no hiccups.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Chirality:
Build date refers to a version of the software. It has nothing to do with when the phone was manufactured. To figure that out, you'll have to decode the serial number.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Rootuser3.0:
Mine is Oct 26 no lag
[Motorola Droid RAZR] royalbloodvi:
doesnt this mean this is the prerelease models? which are laggy?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] bokajay@gmail.com:
Mine is 10/26 and I have no noticeable lag. However, I do have the issue with white not showing well on lower brightness settings. Anyone with the 10/26 or the 10/29 build having this issue? I have heard before that Galaxy phones with Super AMOLED+ have issues producing truly white whites as well. Some say that their whites look great even on low brightness. Could this be software related?
[Motorola Droid RAZR] Semseddin:
Not sure about that but mine is xt910 and sw build date is 29/10. No lag anywhere.
[Motorola Droid RAZR] circleofomega:
lag or no lag, i definitely think there is an issue with the green/blue tone of the screen under low lighting in some devices...
[Motorola Droid RAZR] xazac:
Mine is lagging a lot, and I have the horrible blue/green tint on the display.

Build date is 17/10/2011, system version: 651.73.15.XT910.Retail.en.FR
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jesseibiza:
I had a bran new TF with no 3G it was 8.6.5 and i rooted with no problem but after few days i saw it had lighclith on a side so i gave it back and decided to take the new moddle with 3G and now i cant root it :-( im sooo stuck now if there is no solution coming up soon i will give this one back too and get it with out 3g WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK I SHOULD DO?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
Wait and use search.

3G models have a new SBK, so you can not root them at the moment.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jesseibiza:
Thanks for answer...

Honestly thank you very much but this is soo frustrating i really needed it rooted u dont know other forums or websies where i can check it out i would be even willing to pay $/€ for some one to help me root mi tablet!!!! I find russian and polish forums but i dont understand and translations dont work very well :-( but i think they got it working!!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] baseballfanz:
Your tablet is NOT rootable at the moment no matter what languages it's in.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
So his tablet isnt rootable? Bummer
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jesseibiza:
1 Last question!!!

So if i get it clear if it is not rooted i cant get a custom rom in it either?

Not even this ? -->

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1245892

Or use this? is this not possible?--->

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1185104
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sanderfox:
Short answer: No.

Root access is required to be able to install custom roms in the first place, so until someone finds a way around the new security measures, there is no way to install a custom rom or root it. Doesn't matter how often you ask people or if you pay people or not. For the moment, you're stuck I'm afraid :(
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
So its not possible to install custom roms without root?
[Thunderbolt General] voxigenboy:
I guess I forgot what it was like being on 3G(even though it wasn't that long ago)... but I was in a part of town today that apparently is still on 3G and I was like "sweet mother of god this is unbareable!!!" and got so impatient just waiting for a page to load that I just turned off my phone. ;P

on a side note, I didn't think I used much data this past billing cycle but it said I used 44GB so far(a few days left till new cycle). I guess you just get carried away when the speed is there.

any of you have similiar experiences?
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
I only get 3G inside my work. The second I walk outside I get 4G.

The 3G speed there isn't completely horrible, but yeah I feel your pain.
[Thunderbolt General] bpyazel:
I wish. Most of where i live is still 3g. There must only be like one 4g tower in this entire city because the only area i can pick up 4g is only like three miles wide. :(
[Thunderbolt General] kidhudi:
sadly i have NEVER been in a 4g zone EVER

*goes to the corner to cry*
[Thunderbolt General] Ryanmo5:
Mine's the same except when I'm at home.
[Thunderbolt General] orkillakilla:
Ooo that really sucks. When I first got this phone, 4g wasn't turned on in my area. The Verizon rep I talked to when buying the phone said there was a tower extremely close to my residence and that it would be turned on within the month. It was actually turned on a few days before the scheduled date, so I guess I lucked out.

Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt powered by KillaSense 3.5.0
[Thunderbolt General] SP1986:
Verizon promised 4G in the "Greater Providence Area" by the end of 11/11 - considering some cities are bigger than all of Rhode Island, I've got confidence it'll be state-wide coverage