yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Gen8 Android Development] FrEcP:
hey - great to hear about further development - sadly the gen8 links seems to be down ...

www.openaos.org/wp-upload/gen8/2011-11-06/ReleaseCandidate_UNSUPPORTED/

Error: Connection interrrupted

Perrhaps just partial - will try again later

EDIT: working now again
[Gen8 Android Development] Hubelbert:
After choosing "Gingerbread-Entry" in Aos-Menu my 101 shortly shows the "openaos"- Bootlogo and then reboots in Archos-Standard.

What is wrong?? I used all files from the Link mentioned above.

Any ideas?

P.S: Reload of the files is not possible because it seems like openaos.org is down ;-(
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
We are having some issues with dev.openaos.org which will hopefully soon be solved.

The problem you have is a corrupted zImage. It should be fine now once you can redownload it.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

divx118

EDIT: wrote too soon, seems the links are accessible again :)
[Gen8 Android Development] airwolf1544:
Is the name right? openaos-gingerbread.img.gz
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Yes that should be correct, just tested it myself. Just deleted my image, menu.lst flashed the initramfs and kernel and booted.

divx118

Oops sorry, need some more coffee this morning it was meant for Hubelbert.
[Gen8 Android Development] airwolf1544:
Nice work..
[Gen8 Android Development] SWFlyerUK:
Bugger - I sholdn't have installed UrukDroid yesterday :mad: (I read you can add Uruk to Mulitiboot, but what if its already installed?)

Whats the fixes/updates with this release please, or is it on the site?
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
- Fixed headphone speaker switch

- partly camera working for atleast A101IT I think also A70, don't know for A43IT because it has a different cam.

- Fixed permission errors when using ext3 formatted internal memory

- Fixed some browser crashes. Due to using v8 javascript engine again instead of jsc

- Fixed crash when going to browser settings

- Fixed deep sleep which should be working now.

- Fixed mounting/unmounting external sdcard.

- Calibration app included for A32 and A43. (Under settings)

- Updated to latest CM code

- Kernel updated to latest sources from archos firmware 2.4.65

- some other small things

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] FrEcP:
hey divx - do we have any working way of dualboot urukdroid and Cyanogen?

For me this is the major reason for less contribution on openAOS - as i need a working stable device for dialy use - but also really want to help u with cyanogen...

Searched for it some time ago already but due to the different kernels this was really hard to figure out...

anyway will try yours again now and check out the new release ;)
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Unfortunately not, maybe in the future when we can boot different kernels. We just follow the archos kernel sources with some minor additions to also allow booting of other linux distros. We want however always be able to boot stock android with our kernel which gives you btw root access, because of using unionfs.

I don't know how much difference there is between the urukdroid kernel and ours never looked at it.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] marcusmarcus:
So far it is running smooth. Great job guys.

I noticed 3 things so far.

1) my speakers make a "pop" sound when the device goes into and comes out of sleep. They also did that in Anoa.

2) I can swipe between the different home screens OK, but if I try to use the desktop dots next to the dock then ADW force closes.

3) Camera worked great the first time, then the second time I went back in it, it is green and gray colored. Tried changing the color effect settings of the camera and it looks the same every time. Rebooting fixed the greenish look and I have been in it multiple times now and it is staying normal so not sure what caused it the first time.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
1) Yes I noticed that too, I will see if I can poke one of the archos guys to know what is causing this issue.

2) Yes, it is a known issue. If you go into ADWlauncher settings the dots will disappear. I know what is causing the problem just need some time to create a proper fix.

3) Never had this on the 101. What kind of device do you have? A101 A70 or A43

Thanks for reporting back,

divx118

BTW there are still some problems accessing dev.openaos.org if the downloadlink doesn't work try again later.
[Gen8 Android Development] marcusmarcus:
1) I was incorrect about my speakers popping in Anoa, they crackled in that, so the pop I think is an improvement :)

2) that's good news. I don't use the dots as I prefer to swipe, I just accidentally click one and that is how I found out.

3)I have an A70 8GB. I'm not sure what would have caused it, I have not been able to reproduce it since rebooting the device.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Good to know it works on the A70, it wasn't tested yet. :)

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] Hubelbert:
You are right. I forgot a 'dot' between img and gz :mad:

Now everything is fine and it works very smooth. Seems even smoother than Urukdroid.

Great job. I continue testing.
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
I edited out it but it is a shame more people don't install this, maybe the main paragraphs I quoted can be changed to bold font. Any chance of doing this in ICS version (even cut down version) for Gen8 at some point in future as similar low spec devices (256mb and slower CPUs) are being ported?
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
ICS is indeed possible for gen8, however it will consume alot of time and skilled people to get it ported. It will not be as easy as gingerbread porting is to gen8.

Eventually I will switch to ics, I already asked letama to share his progress which he did :), so a start is there.

Also I really want DSP video hardware accelaration encoding, decoding for gingerbread working. I have progress, but currently I am working on initramfs for the bootmenu which is almost finished.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
Is it going to eventually be a detailed guide and easy installation for this CM7 Bull? I currently have UrukDroid, and I am a little confused as to how to go to this build easily.
[Gen8 Android Development] fzelle:
Whats so difficult to understand?

As you already have the SDE installed, you need to copy the two img files to the device, flash initram and zimage, done.

Not really difficult, is it?
[Gen8 Android Development] deliverywong:
after installed the bull rc2, will I lose the UD data? or I will have multi boot oS?
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
It is dual boot and if you have already rooted and read the install link in OP, it is very easy if you already rooted. Just read carefully and do step by step.

@divx118: sounds great, hopefully other devs or aspiring devs reading this thread can PM you and join forces for ICS. You are also a very nice guy and apart from your offerings to us we like to thank you for being who you are too :)
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
I actually already had it running. It just isn't very clear what will happen to the UD installation. Please be less of a flamer, I'm not a noob, and if you read through the UD thread, you would see that I have had this since Nov 2010 and have helped with the development of that ROM since 0.1. I will say, this Bull RC2 is fast right out of the gate. More important is that Google Music and Netflix do not work on UD, so I needed a alternate. This release has both working fine.

One bug I saw was the notification bar got locked up when I tried to swipe/clear a notification. The graphic got stuck half swiped and the whole notification window would not work until reboot. I will submit this on the website for issues.

My previous question was, will there be a guide eventually written to explain more detail for noobs. I have a few friends who are not very Davy that own this tablet and love this RC Bull release...
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
There are ways to keep the urukdroid installation. Atleast people done it. I don't know how. If someone wants to write a guide for that ok by me, but it won't be done by me. :)

When you flash the initramfs and zImage from openaos you get a bootmenu, with which you can boot multiple images using the same kernel, namely the one you flashed from openaos.

If you do this, you overwrite the kernel from urukdroid. I don't know the differences between the UD and the openaos one. Probably you can boot UD also with our kernel.

With the openaos one you can also boot the original archos firmware which is rooted by using unionfs (overlay filesystem to get you read/write access).

It doesn't have to be an image file with the rootfs, you can just as well boot a partition where your rootfs is. http://dev.openaos.org/wiki/SettingUpMultiRootGen8#Features

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
From what I gather, going back to the UD would be as easy as flashing the UD initramfs and zimage from UD. Then it would mount back the UD partitions. I would try that and it will most likely work fine, but I think I will stick with this RC Bull, it is pretty awesome! Great work Devs, I really just use this for Google cloud and Pandora and Netflix. Those all have issued on UD for some reason, but all work fine on this
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
Tunein radio works but pretty useless for Shoutcast engine search (tens of thousands of radios & streams) so instead of Winamp Pro (which still crashes in latest Pro version) I use: Xiialive (Paid version not free Lite) which works just as great as Winamp Pro's accessing of shoutcast search engine. :)
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Yes, that would be the way to go back. You could try to add the partition and a UD entry into the menu.lst and see if it boots with our kernel.

For example if it is the first partition on your external sdcard, the entry in menu.lst should look like:

UrukDroid|/dev/mmcblk2p1|/rootfs.img|/init|0

The "/rootfs.img" isn't important, because it finds your partition path "/dev/mmcblk2p1" then it doesn't look at the image name, but tries to boot from the partition.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
I will give that a try, I have an idea that it might not work because of the UD is based on Froyo and your kernel is based Gingerbread. Either way, I will see if I get lucky. I'm sure others would like this option as well. I will let you know. Also, I have internal install, which I believe is at mmcblk0p1 for Rawfs.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
The kernel is the same as for archos firmware with some additional features/patches for other OS systems. So it wouldn't be any problem to boot froyo with it. We also boot archos firmware with it. You will need to know of course on which partition your root filesystem is from UD.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
Thanks again, I just made this thread requestng devs to pool together as you suggested:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=21164442
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
I tried doing a boot with Uruk.. the Init seemed to work, but then it just rebooted back to the OpenAOS menu. Not sure what was the issue.

Couple of things I have noticed with the build RC2 Bull:

1. Unit boots up @ 800Mhz each time, then you have to manually change to 1Ghz after boot.

2. Unit always boots with Wifi disabled (maybe intentional)

3. Sometime the notification bar locks up when swiping away notifications.

4. In battery manager, the "Cell Standby" is taking most of battery drain. If there is a way to force the tablet into Airplane mode, then it wouldn't try to use the radio, and thus, might not drain the battery. I tried to turn into airplane mode, but it did not work (Tried to disabled the radio and got confused) If we can enable Airplane, it would never try to do anything with the radio, and maybe it would not drain as much.

Other than these things, i have been enjoying my experience.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
1) I need to look at that.

2) That is not normal, I don't have any problems with that.

3) Didn't notice it yet, but I see if I can reproduce it.

4) When not connected to usb or charger, the device should go to deep sleep. It will then also shutdown the wifi atleast if there is no program running in the background keeping it awake. Also adb debug must not be turned on, else deep sleep will not work. Airplane mode is indeed not working correctly.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] sublimejosh2000:
I will try to also reproduce the #3. Ill take a screenshot
[Gen8 Android Development] pitflyer:
Here's my feedback as a new Bull Archos user. Overall I am very impressed. The steps to take it from vanilla Archos to Bull Archos was not too bad, even for this Windows user. The main thing that helped me is I use 7-zip, which makes it easy to extract the 'gz' and 'bz2' files. It took a little while for my piddly Windows machine to extract the data.img.tar from the bz2 and then again get the right image file, but otherwise all went to plan.

The only problems I have is with video/audio sync; it is worst on Netflix (delay is so bad I can't watch), about average on Flash videos (such as through Veetle) and least on SlingPlayer/Dish mobile. I compare it to my stock Archos system -- which is a nice bonus that it stays available and untouched when I installed bull (I wasn't clear if I would lose this or not before the install).

While this is not directly a bull question, can I use the churli method to root my stock partition/system? I'm not clear how all these things co-exist so not sure if I apply the flash if it will just root my bull RC2, which is already rooted of course.
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
WiFi starts up as not connected and is normal, the battery info for cell phone is probably untrue as in many Cyanogenmod & other ROMs for tablets. I had a look at the issues page, they are better than many final release versions in CM & elsewhere. This bull is a super version and one could spend 10 years on those minor issues. But the main video etc issues divx118 is working on are the only things to be finished and after that basically ICS version for Gen8.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Stock firmware is rooted when started from the bootmenu (entry "Archos"). This can be enabled and disabled in "advanced menu". By default it is on. You also have write access, because of the use of unionfs overlay on stock firmware.

BTW flash video is now using software rendering on RC2 Bull, that is why you get the sync problems and no smooth playback.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] tmotard:
Hi,

I'm testing this gb rom with a 70 it 250 gb HDD.

Works fine but very laggy...

:(
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
Yes, I was afraid of that, probably because the rootfs image is on the HD. Which means alot of rw access to it which may it slow down. I can't do much about that, maybe someone with an HD version and the knowledge could look at how much flash memory is inside. If the flash would be sufficient then we could place the rootfs image on that.

If there is a microsd card slot on your device, then that would also do.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] PotentChili:
The 250gb version doesn't have a microsd slot :(
[Gen8 Android Development] 1of16:
i just tried your rom on my 101 g8...works great..

but I cant find my wireless-lan?! I mean it shows all the others and just mine (asus rt-n16 with dd-wrt 2,4ghz b/g/n) wont show up. with the stock rom and any other device I can see it.

any ideas?
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
There is an option to enable the higher channels in wifi settings, probably you are using a channel above 11.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] 1of16:
too simple...damnit...thank you!!!
[Gen8 Android Development] pitflyer:
Thanks.. Despite my stock Archos under openaos showing rw fs and superuser app other apps like titanium backup report they can't get root.. Will have to dig further.

Is it possible to toggle hw and sw render for flash on bull?
[Gen8 Android Development] Guanfy:
I tried out this updated ROM and it still is completely unusable on my tablet. The installation goes ok but then the tablet locks up and reboots at random times while booted. I've tried with internet, without internet, not touching any inputs, while doing regular work, with market, without market, all the same result. Hopefully these frequent crashes and reboots will be worked out in your next release.

I have a 70IT 250GB HD version.
[Gen8 Android Development] coen22:
is it easier to update from cyanogenmod 7 to cm9 than making android 4 work?
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
No, you will run into the same issues.

@pitflyer Is it possible to toggle hw and sw render for flash on bull? No, I have hw rendering working, but overlay creation is hit and miss at the moment. That is why I disabled it and just return null as an overlay so it switches to software rendering.

BTW no is not actually no. If you compile your own overlay.omap3.so and replace that in /lib/modules/hw. then it should be able to use hw rendering. However you will need to fix some code, because default sources from CM7/ti don't work.

Also when overlay creation works, playback is still not as smooth as it should be probably a codec problem didn't look at it yet. First I want to get a stable overlay creation.

However last couple of weeks I was a bit busy with getting the bootmenu from gen7 on the same level as gen8. That is almost finished and now I can focus again on the DSPbridge.

BTW if you can get some more info or have a fix for your root problem on stock firmware that would be very nice.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] pitflyer:
Thanks for the details about the video. I could not figure out what was going on with my semi-rooted stock Archos. I followed your wiki steps, which was basically install SDE, install OpenAoS, install Bull, and Bull works fine, and standard Archos works fine (through OpenAoS) and the file system is R/W and I see the SuperUser App.. but no app would actually be able to get super user rights (su in terminal would say 'permission denied')

Google searches just indicated that my root didn't work. So I'm trying UrukDroid now, but what may put me in a bit of a pickle is that I already removed the standard Archos boot ... so I was only booting Bull/Archos through OPENAOS. Now that UrukDroid by default takes over the whole boot menu I'm not sure I can get back into Archos. Might have to go back to bull with OpenAOS just to be able to get back to stock Archos. I know its possible to use OpenAOS with UrukDroid but I just have not found the steps on how.
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
I think I know what is wrong with not getting the popup from superuser.apk I also had that when I integrated it for gen7 devices. My guess is that su binary is not the right one. I will see that I update it.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] wozhere:
This is already well into the quality level of CM R1 standards. I honestly think the wealth of knowledge and hardwork achieved by divx118 should now be taken into CM9 level for an ICS release on Gen8 which will be a huge task. The obvious way forward is to combine with letama who has already made a lot of progress in this area. Both divx118 and letama as well as being talented devs are very nice guys and wise persons. This is important and even after working on CM9 alpha for Gen8 in a coordinated way as the only ROM in progress by them, they will need help from junior contributers and welcome fixes/patches by others and feed back from testers by as early an alpha release as possible. And so this needs an open source too from day one due to te size of ICS level port. All of what I described above, including open source, is what the CM team have just done in the last fortnight moving from Gingerbread to ICS CM9alpha0.x for the HP Touchpad which is not an Android native. The challenge here is the 256mb ceiling.

letama and divx118 should remain the main developers but will need a few other secondary developers to be relaistic, otherwise even for a decent alpha it will take till 2013 that brings us to an even more important point which is all gadgets are becoming obsolete quickly these days and it is not worth not collaborating or letting more precious little time pass by which waits for no man. The sooner there is an incomplete alpha released to people for Gen8, the more use it will give to people before Gen8 becomes in effect obsolete which is not far off. Apart from a good learning project, it will also be a great experience for the Devs in the future era of collective builds which is the only way forward.

However I am already extremely grateful to what these two guys have done.
[Gen8 Android Development] philocritus:
i'm having a common problem with the market.

it's reporting wrong app compatibility due to changing the dpi to 128.

I was wondering if I can install the market dpi fix on this version of cm7.

To apply it I have to copy vending.apk to /system/app right?

I'm a bit confused because cause due to linking root explorer is reporting a size of 18.4kb everywhere.
[Gen8 Android Development] airwolf1544:
Are there major issues that block a release of rc3?
[Gen8 Android Development] philocritus:
I'm guessing divx118 is just getting hwaccel working on video.

after that it's pretty much a "retail" bull release :-)
[Gen8 Android Development] divx118:
More free time I have that very little lately :)

I'm indeed working on hwaccel video, I have it now stable working for youtube videos. Overlay to display video is created and dspbridge works too. However 2 problems it doesn't want to go over 20 fps low or high quality doesn't matter. So I am missing something here maybe a setting to up the fps. Also it doesn't resize to full screen yet, however that is IMO a minor issue.

Then I still have problems with opening xvid/divx mpeg4 encoded files. It doesn't assign a codec to them, so the stock videoplayer still fails when trying to play them. mkv files I need to try yet I will have to download some samples.

divx118
[Gen8 Android Development] DRSdroid:
does this rom install on the sd or internal memory?

can i dual boot this and urukdroid?

does netflix work on this?

and most of all.. does this rom support swap?

thanks for the help, and the great development.. hoping to jump into this gb rom soon!
[Gen8 Android Development] FrEcP:
neither nor

it contains of 2 images - 1 for the system and 1 for the data partition

if u want to run it they will be located on the internal storage

i haven't found a propper solution yet - still missing it very much

don't know

also i don't knwo this yet but - imho swap is overrated anyway - i never had a better experience wiht swap on :( Even in UD I trun it off meanwhile since it feels more reactive to me.

@divx118

juts came here to ask u the same question. I know u are wokring hard on it - but would it be possible that u contact sauron and fiddle out how to multiboot your OSes ?

Atm I see u both going parallel ways - u have multiboot in your kernel - sauron has AlternativeOS in his UD.

But i never got it managed to boot both propper (I tried the debian method as well as some custom fiddeling :D)

The best thing imho would be being able to boot Bull RC2 as AlternativeOS from UD, since it's already an image and UD is "installed".

Maby UD kernel needs some fixes from you / and other way round?

But as many other people I never made it to the testing team for u - since I can't use Bull as daily OS and still need UD - and reinstalling kernels each day is not really an option :(

Think you would have much greater feedback with more people helping you...