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[XPERIA X10 General] dsurka:
You call the arc and X10 (with all SE caps on it) fashion phones?

It's a change but I think if you remove all the logos and put it in a bag you could say it's a Motorola or a Samsung, or a hybrid.

I know it's not that bad and they're good looking phones but as I'm looking for my replacemente in Q3, Q4 I would've love to see the next step in the x10>arc evolution.

Physical buttons. A shame Sony gave up on them I think they thought they made the phone look outdated which in my opinion and experience was a poor form vs. function decision. Still hope a comeback of the physical buttons or at least keeping them out of the screen like the new nexus (for phones, for tablets I don't mind)

Among the 2, I think the best one is the

white

S. The black has that bottom part that looks from another phone. Although that 4,55 incher looks tempting but that at&t logo removes all the fun.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
You are right but it the US there in no tax.
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
Wait, serious? I'm going to there NOW. I hate Brazil. Slow updates, the highest taxes in the world. Just for comparation, A iPhone 4S 64 Gb costs R$ 3.400,00. If someone here buy tickets for go to New York and come back, a 1 day fee for hotel and a iPhone 4S 64 Gb, it would cost R$ 3.200,00.

And a person who lives pretty well for the country base, as me, win for month. R$ 5.000,00 . And a fact, in the malls, in the iPhone 4S launch day in here, in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro, got 300 people were in the line from Tim (a carrier by here) for buy it. I read somewhere that one guys was in front of his house playing with his iPhone 4S, and 5 minutes latter, it was robbed.

Sorry for the lost of subject.

@price for Xperia S: 500 USD? It's so cheap. I found Arc S in Amazon 3 months ago with a price of 550 USD.
[XPERIA X10 General] dsurka:
I feel your pain, I'm from uruguay and I got my x10 a year ago from my carrier with a 2 year contract at U$S650. I saw it yesterday unlocked at U$S800.

To add to the pain, there are only 3 carriers here, and the only high-end android they are selling is the GSII. If it's not it you have to go with an X8, X10mini or Galaxy Ace.

About the arc S, my gf is getting one in newegg at U$S400.

U$S500 was the price of the N1 when it came out.
[XPERIA X10 General] Q Rock:
I'll take the ion just because i prefer the bigger screen, but i'll probably get it off contract because ATT sucks when it comes to updates. I don't think the ATT X10 ever got the gingerbread update, but i didn't check anymore after root and flash.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
I think when you are interested in this technical stuff and want a detailed phone review you should check out AnandTech.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
Sony Xperia ion 12MP camera samples

Sony Xperia S 12MP camera samples

They look very good in my opinion
[XPERIA X10 General] mundy725:
it will be interesting to know their bitrate per second or per minute it was on arc s 467 mb ... video what abt new devices ?
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
On ultra with dx11 and HD textures? XD
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
DUAL CORE PROCESSORS

GB RAM

STILL ....phone not as smooth as Iphone 3GS(forget iphone4 or 4S)...just look when in the review when they unlock the screen,its takes a bit to get unlocked,also seeing pictures,every picture takes some time to load.

I expected a breakthrough,this just seems like a mini update to 2011 range.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
blame core android...

even on a quad core processor u will have this "lag"
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
i agree with that... android is not very nicely optimised for smartphones.... (i mean that lag factor). the smoothness of ios is hardly there on any android device.

it's like suppose ubuntu vs windows. my older laptop cannot run win7 properly. aero and all are distant dreams. but Ubuntu rocks it with compiz fusion 3d effects and all.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
ICS is coming a and its much better optimized using the hardware

And about the difference between iOS and android u must read this
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
I'm no stranger to those technical aspects. i fully realise that ios is very streamlined-ly integrated with the hardware(like tailor made clothes) since the hardware and software are developed together by same company while android is free-fitting jacket that anyone can wear.

but that said...the average user uses this sort of language only "android is laggy. ios is smooth as butter" and that's what i was saying.

moreover the ios is userexperience-centric while android is functionality-centric. lol. (and i prefer functionality and customizabilty over user experience any day)
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Its not that smooth

After using my new phone touchwiz is much faster and smoother than sony ui but i miss the sony ui

And why are people saying that iOS is smoother?

See the videos of iPhone vs the latest android phones they are faster and better
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Are you comparing the x10 to your SGS2 in smoothness? Ofcourse the SGS2 is smoother... Look at the average FPS on the SGS2 and on the x10. Also compare the power of the hardware.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Thats not what i meant

I meant that android on new phones are smoother than iOS

And i meant to compare new phones to iphone in smoothness factor

And i said sony ui have its own transition animations which makes it look less smoother and slower to open apps

Like when u press the button to open app drawer the app drawer comes from down to up and home screen goes up side and out that takes a bit time

If u know what i mean if not then nvm
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
in terms of smoothness MIUI beats all other ROMS,forget all high end games,small things like unlocking screen,opening launcher, switching to different menus

thats what matter most.Also if you do a 'blind test' by hiding the phone and only exposing the screens and showing it to a person who have never used iphone or android ,he will prefer iphone over android.

i love android but its frustating that after 4 big versions we still cant get the same UI experience as iphone.

tell me i would be lieing if i tell you that whenver some iphone user use your phone he complains of it being slow
[XPERIA X10 General] twowheeler:
They look really good!!!

Do they have the same camera's?
[XPERIA X10 General] mundy725:
Of course both camera is the same i think , abt video quality i am intersting , also some reviews i saw it show more blue colour :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Yup I understand and I totally agree. Some animations make it look laggy.
[XPERIA X10 General] djguml:
there is a very interesting post from rog @ esato.com:

"Xperia S is not Sony's 2012 flagship. So there are still chances in that respect"
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
There will be the LT29i 5" brick. At 5" I wold not call it a phone any more. In my opinion that is way to large.

Some may like it but I do not.

I am not even sure if I want to get the ION because of the 4.6" screen and AT&T slow updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] wing_zero8556:
thats weird i thought the xperia S was their flagship since they said so on their site. unless they are gonna do something like Arc and Arc S.. Xperia S then Xperia S+ or something stupid like that
[XPERIA X10 General] goothu99:
S is stupid for not having a card slot- hopefully customers will bombard SE forums about how dumb it is

the ion looks like every other HTC or sammy phone
[XPERIA X10 General] sopdogg:
Who cares about at&t updates. Xda updates are way better! As long as there are developers we are golden. Plus, it seems like the internals are the same as the Xperia S so that will help with the development process.

I am getting it as soon as it drops.

Sent from a galaxy far, far away...
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Maybe there are some upcoming models which are better than Xperia S? Aoba seems havent been unveiled yet, although it looks like it was the Ion. =/ [pointless reply :P]
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
The shots from the 12 mp sensor look really nice! I just wish that they would release one with a proper lens as you can see a light scattering effect across the entire frame of certain shots ... typical with cheap lenses.

In regards to whole Android/iOS speedy thing. I suspect that iOS places higher i/o (and increased thread counts? rates? a little out of my league here - using old BeOS knowledge, lol) priority on window animations and touch input. So it just appears faster whereas Android is more about loading it as quick as possible first and animations/etc second.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
Based on this.... the XPERIA S will be available in early March for £429.99inc. vat

The viewing angle on the new lineup has improved
[XPERIA X10 General] mundy725:
So much cheap , when comparing prices with others .
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
It looks like SONY might have realized that price has a huge impact on the sales of their devices.

In my opinion SONY makes the best TVs but there are also the most expensive ones.

If the price is right people will by more and with a lower margin SONY will make the same amount of money.
[XPERIA X10 General] mundy725:
Well, when i mean cheap , i mean that price outside , even it will come my country i think it will be most expensive device in here , all SONY products most expensive in here , arc s cost about 900 usd , i think it will more over 1000 usd , also + country VAT (
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
ION Availability

Announced, Not Available Yet

Carriers: ATT

Announced: January 9, 2012

Release Date: March 31, 2012

Could this be true?
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
yep. can b true. xperia s is available from march 12 according the link posted 3 posts above
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
The release was supposed to be in Q2 but who knows.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
U can pre order Xperia S in UK

http://www.clove.co.uk/sony-xperia-s

Stock will be from 5th march
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Wow the pre-order on that website is very expensive! I could better wait till the release of the phone!
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
LOL

Its a only bit higher than arc and cheaper than s2 if u compare it to here
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
XPERIA S is available for pre orders in Germany for 449,00 €
[XPERIA X10 General] kurk_droog:
In the Netherlands its €489,- for pre-order: http://www.smartphoneshop.nl/product/167811/sony-xperia-s-black.html
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
HTC, RIM, Sony and Motorola to follow Apple's blueprint with fewer releases each year
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Xperia S will be the frontrunner for the first half of the year atleast. Don't think they'll launch something better automatically making S less attractive.

There's the LT29 ie..Aoba, which was cancelled from CES. So maybe we might see it St MWC.
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
IF.... Ion were HTC... LOL :D
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
X10 had an awesome ad which was also in the phone in video with 2 models using thier white X10,infact after X10 it was only play which had nice advertising
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
What a funky notification light...

All the way around the phone?

Hope they change that :-(

They're just trying too hard to be different from the rest of the android pack.

Though that's not necessarily bad, IF they can pull it off well.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Noooo its looking niice :)
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
You convinced me to take a second look, and now you've converted me. Heck, I'll buy one!
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Hehehe no problems sir :D don't forget to hit the thanks button :) I just love how the phone is designed there is no better company then SE when it comes to design ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] danielk0302:
Is it just me that thinks the buttons look more touch sensitive than physical type buttons? As i cant really see any cut-off lines between each one?

would be a nice feature maybe?
[XPERIA X10 General] Asadroid:
if they remove the bottons and make the phone more ICS ready, S4 chip, then damn we are seeing a great phone hehe (yes yes, let me dream in peace)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Yes, you are correct. They are not buttons. Just sensitive panels right above the silver line :)
[XPERIA X10 General] danielk0302:
Thanks ;D i thin k it could be better that its touch sensitive. Whats everyone elses views?
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
I like the one one the nozomi because the one on my x10 paint is going off
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
I'm thinking that silver line was a... line of capacitive button?

Cos you can clearly see the home, back and menu button here:
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
no...there are 3 shiny dots above the silver line that will be touch sensitive. It's on the black strip between the screen and the silver line
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
phone looks insanely awesome!

:D
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Oh... I see it, then seems that line will be the back light of the button...?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
correct :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Arnold.Alexius:
fyi

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2123217/sony-ericsson-xperia-nozomi-leaked

taken from link above

http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...rts-320dpi-display-and-android-2-3-5-2011115/

taken from link above

Sony Nozomi? Sony Xperia Nozomi? or non-Xperia family. Good bye Ericsson
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
They're keeping the liquid identity for now. They are not dumping the SE logo for at least half a year before going all Sony. You'll see the new directions in CES I can tell you that.
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
(sorry to be off topic)

@unknown x13, do you know anything about x10 getting some ics love?

Sent from my unlocked bootloafer fxp style:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] AX10i:
I personally love Sony Ericsson's style.

And I'm not only (but also) referring to their products. But also to their way of playing.

While all the other brands compete with specs and are almost careless about the design, Sony Ericsson mixes them both. Yes, an Arc S might not be as fast as a Samsung Galaxy S II but if you'd ask me, I'd rather buying an Arc S.

It has an excellent design, it has a HQ camera, it has good specs, it has a beautiful UI.

Sony Ericsson has it's own style which is reflected not only in software, but also in hardware. They captivate people who care not about being the best without getting noticed, but about being amongst the best and getting noticed for that. And I believe that there are a lot of people like that. Like me.

So, I don't care if these specs won't be the best in 2012.

Because besides having great specs, Nozomi has something that won't disappear just like that and that is not that easy to find: Style.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Your so damn right mate ! Everything you said was right i prefer buying this phone because of its design and its sleek look then rather having a phone which is all made plastic cheap quality and i bet i can cook eggs whit that overheat issue on the sgs2 ;) s.e is one of the companies that makes the most elegant's phone in the industry its looking better then that icrap 4s
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
It looks more like a motorolla to me, the ion kinda lost the whole Sony essence, the xperia S looks a lot better and diffenrent(im still getting the ion though)
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
But which one is better performance wise, specially Gfx processor !!

Ion or Xperia S ?

When is it expected to release in India?
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
both will be same performance...

abt release date in India... no idea :( my guess is it will release in mid March/start of April
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
just talked with someone from sony world store.

"we will have two new phones from April to match up with new financial year demand. (which means only after effects of budget/tax/vat are considerd before pricing is fixed) and another new phone in second half of the year. possibly festive season launch (sept-oct)."

p.s. the words in brackets were my observations, rest quoted from what he said.

@doom

any idea which phone he's saying about festive season?

btw about two new phones he says...one is xperia s. the other might b some walkman or non-xperia thing...he was not sure about model names but sure about the time-frame of availability.
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
meanwhile I'm considering an xperia active. lol. i would love shooting videos underwater. I've lots of swimming plans for coming summer. lol. I'll b back to competitive swimming next yr. (if only the ion/s were waterproof)
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
Looks : Xperia S

Specs : Xperia ION

;)
[XPERIA X10 General] romiros:
look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onm4k...9fFAAAAAAAAAAQ we need this feature in xperia line 2010-11! The firmware in this video 2.3.7. And its full smart-tv! Its great! is it possible on my x10 with custom rom?
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
...........................

Huh!! :confused:

I guess specs are same of Ion and Xperia S , except the screen size !!!
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
look closely:

so:

ION has bigger battery (~10% more), bigger screen, SDCARD slot!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
.............................

Hmmmm .... but Seriously ... the transparent antena in Xperia S is awesome!! ;)

btw .... which one wud u select if u had to choose one??
[XPERIA X10 General] Moomany:
Ion, sd card and I still think it looks like a bigger x10 <3, the camera's also better protected being nearer to the middle of the phone and the S's one; too bad it's only for America :(
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
i will personally be buying the Xperia S...

hope that users can donate the Xperia Ion to me for development :)
[XPERIA X10 General] milton.bain:
Frankly speaking, i don't have enough money to speculate on phones. So which one should i go for to get a better one?

Sony phones or any other brand?

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[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
Well first wait for the devices to be available in market... check a few reviews and till then new devices from other vendors will also be announced/released... take a decision at that time... btw u can never have the newest technology for long... I mean by the time these devices (from any device vendor) are released, something better is always going to be there in 1-2 months...
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
@doom

seen my post (#594)?

what.do u think about the sept-oct release date of another phone? which may it b?
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Well the Ion is a bit chunkier than Xperia S but made out of magnezium.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
from what i hear, from multiple sources, in second half of 2012, there will be some enthusiast class phones, meaning mid-high end specs with mid-level pricing... i dont know if they plan to launch another flagship by then.... but may be given this recent deal with ST-E to supply future chipsets i think we may see a few devices based off these ST-E chips, few high-end and some mid-high end ones...
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
That could be dangerous if the phone gets a bit too hot. :D

I believe it's aluminium, haha. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
Yes its aluminum.... as you say, magnesium could get dangerous when the phone warms up :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] :
I got the info here, maybe I'm wrong!

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/01/09/xperia-ion-product-page-live-promo-shots-and-video/

http://advantech96.blogspot.com/2012/01/xperia-ion-product-page-live-promo.html

Edit: Ah, it seems like it's only the back panel that is made out of magnesium...
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
mid-high in q3 2012 would be dual core, 1gb ram 12mp etc etc only right? ha ha ha. i mean what's top end now, is mid-high by 6 months...that's how electronics go. lol

btw the way the guy was talking about "launch", he probably was referring to flagship only.

i don't know but maybe the s will come in march, and then a global version of ion (no more strings attached with at&t) will come in q3. because at&t will want exclusivity for at least one quarter, but after that Sony will surely like to sell it unlocked too (given the wide band range it supports, it'll work in most countries)
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Hmmm, does anyone know the battery of Ion is removable or not? =/

The unremovable battery of Xperia S is annoying!
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
both have unremovable battery
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
The xperia ion has higher 3g network speeds than the S so another point in its favor
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
screwdrivers work on my Mom's N8. lol. will it on these ones? i don't thing battery will b baked to the boards
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Oh, I hate that...:mad:

Well, will look at some HTC then.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] poelier:
In .nl SE shows an sdcard slot on xperia S?
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
eMMC = embedded MMC, not exteral MMC.
[XPERIA X10 General] milton.bain:
Will the Sony xperia ion / s have usb hub support?

Has anyone checked the Sony smartwatch? Its sooooo coool!

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[XPERIA X10 General] Moomany:
Is the Japanese Acro HD basically the Ion? with waterproof to 1m? curses for living in the rest of the world :(
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ohhh new toys:

http://www.gsmarena.com/two_new_sony_xperia_phones_leak_should_be_nypon_and_kumquat-news-3675.php
[XPERIA X10 General] cikomiko:
i just don´t get it. why don´t they put novathor in xperia s? isn´t it superior to msm8260?
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
from what i have heard, Xperia S & Xperia ION have been in development for a LONG time, even before the Sony takeover... so as with most SE phones, SE used the Qualcomm chips available at that time MSM8x60...

but after the Sony takeover, they have shifted to ST-E chips for the future devices...
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
both are Sony Ericsson branded...not only Sony.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ambroos:
Yep, it's been shown in one of the hands-on videos.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ah nice...

which one exactly? can u post link
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
I think he might have looked at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNvfBXxoI34

the video is showing the Xperis S phone but the phone in the dock is the ION>
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
The one pointing to Nyphon is still incorrect :( That's the Ion but without the AT&T logo. There were multiple demo units at CES that are like that :( Nyphon is in that photo, but not that one that's pointing to...:o
[XPERIA X10 General] batman_112:
Sony Xperia S release date confirmed 5 March 2012

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1449910
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
u mean there are chances of a global version of ion???
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
I think this is the real Nyphon.

[taken from OP]

Edit: Better photo now, with the Xperia S interface chopped.
[XPERIA X10 General] samuel109:
That looks really thin!

Sent from my XPERIA Arc LT15i
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
http://www.gsmarena.com/unannounced...ne_prices_and_launch_dates_leak-news-3681.php
[XPERIA X10 General] nielneal:
my god....this is changing my mind not to buy xperia s......soon......dun knw what they r upto with haybusa and mint...bcz both have high pricing....we have already seen fast capturing mode and highest ppi in xperia s......what this both will have...jus make me dream more higher and higher...for sure they r quad cores...n if m nt wrong they will have 16mp or mabbe the most awaited xenon flash integrated in it.....lets wait and watch....sony is making a comeback with blast....
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
July launch date seems like a good date to match the iPhone 5, while the Mint will be a phone to patch what mistakes have been done in Hayabusa...

Personally, i'm thinking Hayabusa was the XPERIA Duo?
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
so my source was not wrong. there WILL be a new flagship in September. (i guess the "mint" going by the price). till then "s" will remain flagship.