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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ ok, we see that. What about when the cloud isn't available?

Lets look at Apple, they just opened up a huge cloud. However they didn't limit onboard storage to 16gbs, why? They know the cloud is not the complete answer. They know the cloud can not be everywhere, that's impossible to accomplish.

Nothing beats on board storage. Cloud is great, but as of right now it is not the answer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nicksi, let's be real. Put the price up and you'll see why the 8gb and 16gb is selling. That's basic economics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ty67ty67:
I assume you meant to say that it is NOT a total failure because I agree with you...16GB IS enough for anyone.

I truly believe that most people who insist on having 32GB or more on their PHONE want it just to say that they have it. I personally have hundreds of gigs of media in my TOTAL collection but I just don't walk around needing imediate access to all of it in my phone. I could not even imagine a life where I did....not without living alone on a desert island without any other hardware and absolutely nothing else to do but stare at my phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ ok, good for you. What about other people?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Some people don't have a choice. 500mb in some places.cost.as.much as unlimited here. And with the New tiered plans 5gb is like 45-50 bucks. Perhaps dint be ignorant and realize a whole world exists outside if your neighborhood?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You're still wrong.

I mean. Is not like some.of us don't stream all kinds.of media on our devices.

Not only doesbstreaming run the speakers. The cell radio is constantly downloading data. Itsba HUGE battery drain to streaming. Thatsbwhy all pmps and phones rate music and video playback times with wifi off and assuming no streaming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
We are rarely graced with such ignorance on these forums.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
N8ter, does your SGHwhatever have spell checking? What's with all these typos and dots between words?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
People will not buy something that they cannot use because it is cheap. That is basic consumerism, Vet.

Will you purchase a 2 door coupe for your family of 5 when you really need a station wagon because the coupe is cheaper? If 8GB/16GB is not enough people will not go on a 2 year contract and pay $0 for that item, even if they do they will get buyer's remorse and you would see massive returns.

Vet, there really is no argument. I wish the nerds on this forum would separate their high-level use of a product from a product's merit to the average user. Why can't we see past our own noses?

And hopefully no one brings up the lame duck "they have 16/32/64GB" choice argument. Choice doe not matter when someone chooses a 16GB.

And it is interesting N8ter would argue what about someone with a 500MB data plan, after ripping someone apart for wanting a smartphone with no data. I was visiting Orlando in summer and I got a payg att plan with 500MB data. I used that in a week. Skype, Google Maps, emails, looking for restaurants. If people used smartphones the way you expect them to, then 500MB will be a problem.

I could argue anyone with a 500MB plan, the least of their concerns might be 16GB storage.

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His posts are not usually like that. That happens to me with my swype keyboard. Or maybe he just came back from a wild party?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
run the speakers? ¿cómo? sorry but you're wrong too.

Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrewkeith5:
What the hell are you doing using Skype over 3G? That's a sure-fire way of using an absurd amount of data, it'll be cheaper to call.

I have a 500MB data plan, and I very rarely go over, with what's considered VERY heavy usage in the UK, and absurdly heavy use in Mainland Europe judging by their data plan costs.

You have to take a dose of your own medicine and realise that in the real world >99% of people are not in the same situation as you. You might be willing to pay $50 a month for mobile internet that 99% of users will never use, but few others will.

The reality is that most data plans are limited to 500MB, or if you're lucky 1GB, and for the vast majority of users this is way more than enough - in my case I do occasionally go over, which is why I'm on a plan where I just pay £5 per 500MB, it might not be the cheapest option but it's the best for me, and my bills are normally £30 a month, which is very reasonable for the quality of service I get.

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This is exactly the sort of post that starts an argument.

You appear to be arguing against the laws of physics: running the WiFi/3G radios continuously, which is necessary for streaming, will always use more energy than just playing music from the internal storage, it's just plain fact.

The ONLY time there won't be an affect on battery life is if, when you're playing music from the internal storage, you also (for some weird and improbable reason) also happen to be permanently using the WiFi/3G radios. Just browsing the web is NOT the same, because the radios won't be permanently transferring data, which uses more energy than when sitting there connected on standby.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Why do you guys care what people put on their phone anyway? As mentioned before a 500MB limit isn't enough to depend on the cloud in the first place. That's before mentioning trips abroad or to areas without coverage.

@nicksti your car example makes no sense, if you need 5 doors to accomodate your family you will not look at 2 doors cars. In the context of the iPhone it would be more like if you needed 2 doors and 5 doors cost the same which one would you pick? In the context of WP7 it would be more like if you needed 5 doors, too bad they only make 2 doors.

You say yourself "why can't we see past our own noses?" yet you're not putting yourself in the shoes of people who do need more storage, just choosing to criticise them instead. If you personally are fine with 16GB what is this conversation to you anyway?

What is it to you guys? That's not even an attack on the OS itself. If my bachelor neighbour wants to pay more for a 5 doors car when he should just buy a cheaper 2 doors car, who am I to tell him he's stupid? That's his choice.

@ty6767 starting an argument with "bunch of freaking cry babys" is the best way to be taken seriously. Not everyone can or want to carry around their phone, camera, pmp, laptop, tablet, that's why people are moving to smartphones.

You can't rely on the cloud with a 500MB limit. You say yourself 16 is enough for you. Good for you man, why do you have to critise people who need more?
[Windows Phone 7 General] lil_dipo@yahoo.com:
Just like peew has said, there is no need for any of us to tell the other how to use their phones. This whole storage space argument is dissappointing to those who want more than 8/16gb on their phone, so there is no need for people to try and convince them otherwise, if your'e happy with 16gb that is fine but there are others who are not whether it being the majority of minority.

lets all be civil :D and have reasonable discussions with out getting heated and start personal attacks.

in my opinion, cloud should have been a nice alternative to storage not the other way around but since we can have both, Microsoft and oems should have(they still can) used it to their advantage not limit the os when you compare it to their competitors.

I am hoping sooner or later that we will start to see more storage in the upcoming devices because right now their target market looks like it is for low to mid end devices which don't look that appealing to the majority(maybe minority;)) of early adopters or previous wp7 owners.

ps i have had a samsung focus since launch with a 16gb sd card in it totaling to

about 20gbs of storage and i have unlimited data with att (grandfathered plan:D) so i do stream a lot and i have the storage also so i have best of both worlds but i would say streaming takes a drastic hit to your battery life compared to listening or watching your own media.
[Windows Phone 7 General] spokanedj:
I think the one thing we all have to remember is that most people here on XDA are developers/power users, which are not the #1 taget market for WP7.

I have 4 WP7 phones in my family. Two have 8GB and two have 16GB of local storage. With music, videos pictures and lots of content on the phones, none of them are "full". Except for those that want to take a large music or video collection on the go, 16GB should be "sufficient" for most users.

As much as most of us developer/power users don't like to admit it, we are NOT the general focus of WP7 right now. The phone is geared towards your average Smart Phone User or feature phone users converting to smart phone users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I just said that (non verbatim) in my first impression of the focus, which wasn't a bad device even if it didn't have the 32 gb option.

It's all about perspective
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Let us not get stuck on the doors. I only said coupe because I am sure you can get some very roomy 4 door cars that can rival station wagon. But to reject the entire analogy based on that little thing? Okay, you won't buy a TINY cheap car vs a more expensive roomy vehicle. Better?

Pew, where on this forum have you ever heard me say someone does not need 64GB? I can see past my nose. Even if I couldn't, my nose is big so I would still be seeing farther than most people that can't see past theirs. I am a HUGE believer in "to each his own". I do not come here telling anyone that X is worthless because it doesn't have a quad core cpu. I can comfortably say I have absolutely no issue with someone liking whatever they like because it does the job they need it to do. 100% of the arguments I get into with specific people on this forum is exactly this. Elitist Jerks that tell you how to use your phone or what is smartphone is supposed to be.

You should know me quite well by now. I constantly take the stance "Windows Phone is good enough for some people; not everyone needs to have a phone capable of neurosurgery".

I would never tell you 16GB is good enough for you. As you recall I accepted you want a 32GB WP device and hope you get one. Never questioned it once, or told you anything about the cloud. I doubt I have ever told anyone on this forum to do a 'workaround" like that (not hack but a different way of doing someting) to compensate for a glaring deficiency.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The keyboard is terrible because the space bar is small and has the period next to it causing a lot of misclicks when touch typing. That is why I tend to use this device to post here. It has the best soft keyboard ive ever used.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
@nicksti Yeah I do remember you agreeing with me on the cloud thing but then when you come to this thread to say that the iPhone 16GB sells more you're throwing a jab at people wanting more storage. Or I understood you wrong?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
How can you listen to music without running the speakers or powering the headset or using a by device with by on, which drains even more power?

Do you know some magical way to avoid this? I think we all wanna know if you do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
You mean you actually listen to music from the speaker of the phone? I use the jack. And your claims of the iDevice having the best keyboard is so far off.

Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I was able to handle and play with the Focus S today at the local AT&T. Super nice phone. But as nice as it was, I didn't see anything I couldn't live without on my current Focus. The size of the display just wasn't much of a difference from the regular Focus. And the Focus S on display was a 16GB.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The iOS keyboard is the best in the field accuracy and its auto correct is top notch. I have all there platforms and reviewers agree with me.

No android keyboard.comes close.for tap typing and while the WP keyboard is decent it is less usable due ti the way it treats many words not.in the dictionary and the bad text curse positioning and copy and paste compared to iOS and android.

Look at my tag lines on the forum and you can see I clearly use them all more than enough. What's right foe me may not be right for you, however, I type twice as fast on the ipod than on the.vibrant or hd7, and more accurately. Its like that keyboard reads my mind.

All android keyboards I've tried are cramped. Typing on this phone makes me want to take a hammer to it. Only keyboard worth a Damn on this platform is motorola's.

I listen to music out the speakers a lot. Get an ipod touch or galaxy phone and enjoy speaker quality and volume an hd7 can only dream to achieve. I don't want something stuck in or on years all the damn time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
The WP keyboard works the same way if you have the options set correctly. I don't think I even have to type half any word before it's suggestions pop up. Listening to music with the phones speaker is totally impractical.

Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No. The apple keyboard is better. I use them all daily. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you of all people about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Nah, no jabs. I agree totally the cloud in 2011 is not a replacement for local storage. I believe there are users here that think a 16GB no SD device is worthless. period. They are extending their views onto everyone. The best selling device is 16GB so it can't be worthless.

That is all. To each his own. Too many times we tell people what to think, say, or do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigfire:
I'm grandfathered into the unlimited data plan (and therefore stuck on AT&T). Regardless of my unlimited plan, streaming is not instantaneous to stream, nor is it trivially searchable (at least with my music versus a music service). Finally, reception is often spotty for streaming. Why isn't such a problem to give me a slot and let me spend my own money putting in my own storage card? This means I'm stuck with my original Focus (not a bad phone to be stuck on) until they come out with a new phone with user upgradable storage. Or at least 32 gigs of onboard memory.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
Hi. I have a newly purchased SGS which runs android 2.1. When I connect it to my laptop via the usb cable and run Kies, I get a message in bold letters saying "This version of the device cannot be updated", in the firmware information tab.

It shows "Current firmware version: PDA:JG8 / PHONE:JG2 / CSC:JG9 (DBT)"

I want to upgrade to 2.2 and 2.3, or directly to 2.3 (if possible), without rooting my phone.

This phone is purchased from Saudi Arabia and did not have the Market app, Youtube app, Maps app and Navigation app initially. But when I selected restore factory settings from settings menu, I got all of the above apps installed automatically.

I have latest version of Kies installed.

Please, please help me how to upgrade without rooting my device.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaRkMyk:
If you want, you can download the latest UK Gingerbread XXJVT ROM from here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1289875

then follow the steps to manually flash a new ROM from here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=723596
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
Thanks for the reply. I found the "how to install guide" in the first link itself. Gotta take some time though to get it installed as I have a pretty slow connection.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaRkMyk:
Just make sure you back up you data before flashing!

I Swyped this on my Galaxy S
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
I have downloaded the following files:

i9000XXJVT.zip (android 2.3.5) &

Semaphore_kernel_JVT_1.8.2bm.tar

I have read the how to guide and want to instal the new firmware!

Am I good to go?

waiting for reply !
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaRkMyk:
How about Odin? I see that you chose the BM version of Semaphore, just take note that it'll screw up your 720p video recording.

I Swyped this on my Galaxy S
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
Hi sorry about replying so late. Busy in exams! Well I downloaded odin 1.83 from a website (don't remember the name). And I downloaded the normal version of semaphore too.

Hey.... Thanx for being patient with me! I was quite upset to see that my phone would not be upgraded but now I believe that the latest firmware for my device is only a few clicks away! Thanx alot.

So am I ready? To flash?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DaRkMyk:
It's our carriers fault for not providing the latest firmware, UK usually gets the latest firmwares first.

Yes you are ready to flash. Just take note that by installing the semaphore kernel, your phone will be immediately rooted, just reminded you because of what you've written in your first post.

Just follow the steps on flashing a firmware then after that, flash Semaphore kernel.

Good luck! I hope you'll love your new firmware. The performance improvement will be very noticeable compared your current Eclaire FW.

I Swyped this on my Galaxy S
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
Hi... I just flashed my SGS!! Everything looking good!!

Wanted to ask, do I have to "wipe Cache partition" and "wipe data/factory reset"? Its given in the how to install guide.

And i have downloaded the JVT phone fix But I dont know how to install it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disclaimernotice:
Don't bother with the phone fix unless you really have constant phone force closes, because it might make the problem worse. If you had wiped everything before flashing, you don't have to wipe again.

Also, I noticed that you downloaded semaphore's kernel. But you said you didn't want to root your device. Well, semaphore's kernel, as well as all custom kernels here, are rooted. So, if you don't want root, just flash only the files from that JVT.zip which you downloaded.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kashif Ahmed:
Yes. I understood that. And I still don't want to root but a member of the forum said I should make an efs-backup since I'm flashing for the first time. Thats why I downloaded the semaphore kernel. Have not yet touched that though.

Is it okay without the efs-backup? I have flashed my phone and its working almost fine. Only thing is Boot up is pretty slow and after start-up, I get a message about some service (related to samsung) has stopped working.

Rest of it, I'm loving it! Its fast!!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
Hi All

This is a tutorial for changing the phone product code and should work with Wave I/II/III

This tutorial works under 32-bit copy of Windows only

Steps

:-

1.First of all download this file : http://www.mediafire.com/?yahd09ptzv3ubir

2.Extract the file with WinRAR & you will get 3 other files

a.QPST b.Revskills c.Samsung qualcomm driver

3.Grab your Wave and enter the code *#197328640#

Choose [8] Common >>>[7]Service Configuration>>>[2]DIAG Service Config.>>>[2]Usb DM/CP....Then exit this menu

4.Connect your Wave to the PC...If it asks for a Usb mode choose Usb Debugging

5.You will notice that your PC will detect a new hardware and will ask you for its driver>>>Use Samsung qualcomm driver

6.Install both QPST & Revskills

7.Use QPST to assign a COM Port for the phone

8.Now open Revskills and follow the Pics

to see current product code use Display NVItem and use 2757 as item no.

to change that code you need to write new one in Hex editior

Use write NVItem and use 2757 as item no. to write the new product code

proof of product code change

9.Grab your Wave and enter the code *#197328640#

Choose [8] Common >>>[7]Service Configuration>>>[2]DIAG Service Config.>>>[3]Usb UART/AP....Then exit this menu and restart the phone

Revskills part on youtube

[YOUTUBE]_NJXvDOpSo4[/YOUTUBE]

If anyone got any question about this please ask

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kolk11:
Thank u very much, will try tomorrow. maybe this will help to get my wave back in line with samsung kies. My product code was baaxen but with flashing to 2.0 it changed to baakor and kies would not let me update. hope this will help.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] wilmervanheerde:
i hope it works for you;)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] dolcandy:
Is it possible to change the product code from GT-S8500BAAXTC to SHW-M210SBAASKT which is the same product with S8530 using this method even also vice versa? Because only Samsung Apps Korea is blocked to download an apps from global models such as S8500 and S8530. Not only from global to Korean model but also Korean model cannot download an apps from other countries.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
If the phone's IMEI is not Korean maybe you will end up with a blocked phone that can't access Samsung Apps at all

I don't recommend doing this

This tutorial is for fixing product code if it was changed by accident and not tested for other purposes

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] dolcandy:
I think Samsung Apps doesn't check the IMEI because there was a way to download an app from UK Samsung Apps by Korean model (SHW-M210S).

Actually, it was not that technical method, it just needed fast hands and good eyes :D

Of course, Sammy blocked it again last week.
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kolk11:
Didnt work (yet)

So I tried to get back in line with kies and to turnback my productcode to XEN

SO far didnt work this is what i did:

I flashed back to an old full 1.0 bada firmware version and tried to change my productcode after that. I can connect to qpst and revskill but...

Revskill gives me when I fill in Item 2757; 26

When i click check commands i get: unknown response

Maybe i should flashback to bada 2.0 after that change productcode and then go back to my old updatable dutch firmware

or am i overlooking something

Edit: changed firmware to XXJID (bada 1.2) now I get error: failed in call to write file

Will reboot everything and try again
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
Did you use QPST to assign the COM Port number???

Assign that number then use it with revskills

If you phone COM Port is not listed in revskills

Make sure that your PC can find your phone as a Samsung HS-USB in the device manager

Don't write command number in revskills...it gets written after pressing let's go ;)

Watch the youtube video for more understanding

Best Regards
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kolk11:
To bad still getting error failed in call to writefile (see my edit previous post)

Going to flash back to bada 2.0 change productcode and than flash to old updatable firmware

Update; Flashed some back and forward and reinstalled revskills. Now i can see my productcode which is BAAKOR and I want it to be BAAXEN.

So what do I have to change now and where u say: to change that code you need to write new one in Hex editior. What do I have to put in where in order to change my productcode
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kolk11:
New code in hex editor

The tutorial tells me: to change that code you need to write new one in Hex editor

How do I know what values should be filled in there to change my productcode to BAAXEN
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
it is 47542D533835303042414158454E

Did you manage to connect your phone finally ?!
[Bada Software and Hacking General] kolk11:
My mistake

Yes after reinstalling revskill I managed to connect.

this afternoon I will change to BAAXEN with the info you provided

Hope this will work (btw how do you know it should be the input u suggested?)
[Bada Software and Hacking General] mylove90:
I used PC software called HXD hex editior

Made a new text document and write string data in it in the right side and as you can see in the picture it converted string data to hex value and that is it ;)

Best Regards