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[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Difference here is the territory. In Europe (and the UK in particular) the Lumia devices will be on practically every carrier (except it seems O2 cos of their iphone love) and are being backed by a huge marketing campaign and incentives to customers and probably sales staff. You can even pre-order the Nokia phones which has never happened for any other WP7 device. In the US however, the story is radically different - T-Mobile has announced only 1 new device, nothing for Sprint and Verizon, which leaves at&t who will have 3 new devices and none of these devices are being given special treatment, rather they are just being thrown up on the carrier's website with no fanfare. With that kind of lopsided distribution and lack of promotion, along with the acknowledged bias, its no wonder WP7 struggles in the US, and that really is down to poor carrier support. US carriers have no problem stocking the same android model but WP7 is largely ignored. Until that changes there is no way WP7 is going to make nay headway, at least in the US.

I think though, that with Nokia's media push, brand recognition and seemingly well liked devices WP7 can do very well in Europe. It will be interesting to see the sales figures for the Lumia 800/710 this holiday compared to other handsets in Europe and the US. The US looks like it will continue to have a poor selection of WP7 devices and be dominated by ios and android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
1) cloud features, like uploading audio, video, pictures, documents, (FILES) whenever, wherever ? this is extremely important. look at the protests, police brutality, natural disasters, and corruption caught by cell phone cameras. without an instant upload, the phone could be confiscated, the person punished (off record beating) and the public never the wiser. cloud = power, pricey for data or not, it is powerful.

2) videos are something fun to share, with family, friends, coworkers. renting a movie on youtube/itunes/whatever and showing the funny part to a friend is a blast, and stimulates more purchases/rents normally. self-shot videos are fun to share instantly, with other smart phones, via bluetooth or wifi... and guarantees there is a copy should you drop yours in the water/mud/etc. the option of streaming that movie to your 32Gb whatever-pad is awesome, and should be standard practice now. how are you going to watch the HD 3D video you just shot with your smart phone with poor vision , unless you can transfer it to the 32Gb somehow ? this is where wp7 fails, because of whatever reason they restricted moving files around and file access.

3) personally i only keep 2-3Gb of music on my phone. most of it is synced 2-3 times a month now, rented or bought from amazon/whoever, or just ripped from a cd. music is a non-issue, with a 32Gb microsd card. <--- this is another thing I can't understand microsoft crippling.

4) yep, understood. data plans are getting rediculously expensive by the month. 1Gb for $30 ? but then pack on tons of 'apps' that eat data 24/7 as oem junk ? all the US carriers are really sucking in this requard. they have the bandwidth, they have the infrastructure, but greeeeeeeeeed is creating a suck-zone of expense for anyone expecting "UNLIMITED" anything.

:-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Of they support as cards the whole price argument falls on its face. Either support sd or offer more storage options. The cloud is terrible. It leads to worse battery life due to the constant downloading and it can be a terrible experience if reception isn't great where you are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
I agree that there are some that may need more space but to spam articles and forums saying that the phone or generation of phones (even tho not complete yet) are going to fail because it doesn't meet that particular persons need is wrong. Take me for example, I'm disappointed that the T-mobile radar has only 8gb of space but I'm not going around saying it's going to be a failure because of it.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The radar is a mid range device. Its comparable to focus flash not focus s.

The storage is a huge problem.

They pushing away early adapters with that, and thats their only marketing worth mentioning right now (their fanbois).

The focus s has < 13gb free on a fresh boot... ... ...

Again. With sd support, the low storage would be nonfactor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] voluptuary:
Right now the best and only option for over 32gb of storage is a first gen Focus. If you want storage get this phone for $0.01 from at&t and spend the money for a 32gb card. I really wanted to upgrade from my focus to something with a FFC but I guess I am a customer that wants too much. It is too much to want a phone with lots of storage AND a FFC. So that means I won't be spending any money on a phone any time soon I guess. Someone lost a sale.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
To the OP: I do not carry my entire music collection on my phone. I do however have 15 GB of music on my phone and listen to at least 3 hours of it daily. Like others have mentioned. Apple offers more storage options so you can't say it isn't wanted. Secondly, why should the price be the same if OEMs aren't adding more storage?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ty67ty67:
This kind of makes my point....15GBs of music by most compression standards amounts to roughly 150 hrs of music, of which this user listens to "at least 3 hours" of daily. Really? And this is supposed to back up the argument for needing more space? Really? And what about video? How much USEFUL video do most of us actually carry around on our phones? If I have a video, that means that Ive probably already seen it and, unlike music, have no reason to be carrying it around with me on my phone. Like most people (I believe) the vast majority of videos that I watch on my phone are streamed i.e YouTube, Netflix etc.

(and as for Apple [on the 4s only] offering more storage meaning that there is suddenly a demand, do not forget that the 2 best selling phones in the world are iphones with 8 and 16 GBs of total storage)

My point is: Unless your phone is your ONLY piece of hardware i.e. NO computer etc., somebody who is complaining about needing 32GBs+ of media storage on their PHONE please in some kind of detail explain how you are actually making use of anywhere close to even 1/10th of it on a daily basis.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's only music. What about video documents and large apps and games - some of which are 200mb to 2gb just by themselves.

I think your point leaves out obvious things that must be considered.

Storage is only a problem on this platform, and no other. Even feature phones support 32g sd cards these days...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I love how all your facts include "I" somewhere in the sentence.

The low gb phones sell will because they're the cheapest skus. Cheaper always sells more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ty67ty67:
Thats only music? Yes, as I pointed out, thats WAY WAY more music than you could actually have any realistic use for on your phone unless you were stranded on the moon for a year. And how many gigs of video (that you've most likey already seen) do you really carry around with you on your phone and make use of on a daily basis?

Like I challenged: if you really need 32GBs+ of storage explain how you actually (in detail) use it all up and actually make use of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
Nitpicking when he uses I to try to cover up your wrongness is quite funny. Cheapest sells more? Not necessarily, the 250GB Xbox 360 outsold the 4GB one even tho it was $100 cheaper. That's just one example.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I tend to agree that 8 & 16GB phones sell more because of being cheaper. But when a person wants something larger, they will go to whatever is available instead of settling for the smaller capacities. Myself as an example. When I bought my iPhone 4, I originally bought a 16GB because it was $100 cheaper and then started seeing how the games were filling it up rapidly after all of my music and pictures and other media were on it. I chose to return it for a 32GB model and even payed the return fee to get one.

I know there is a percentage of customers MS will lose out on because of the lower capacity phones they are choosing to stay with. Apple looks to get all customers rather than a majority who may be satisfied with 8 or 16GB.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
There will be a percentage of customers that Microsoft lose out on, but I guess they know that, they are not stupid.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Thinking deeper about it, it is likely a case where the OEMs will only put out limited hardware until WP7 takes off rather than MS limiting the hardware themselves. I think if sales are good for the current hardware and WP7 gets some marketshare, they will up the ante a bit with higher capacity phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Because how much of a hassle would it be if you only had 3 hours worth of music on your phone and had to sync it every single day in order to get some fresh tunes?
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
I am really fed up with some people commenting; "Why you need more than 8GB?", "Why you need to watch movies on your phone?", "Why you need more than 1,000 songs on your phone", bla bla bla.

A vast majority of people need it, and this is the exact reason why they are buying a smartphone.

This is also the reason why several customers will leave wp7 and swith to other OS offering appropriate storage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Err... Maybe I'm not in the 1 of the 1000.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's game console. Were talking bout phones. You're all over the place. Name me one smartphone Whee the higher sky outsold the smaller. The DVP had a 32 GB SKU and I'm more than sure it did not outsell the 8-16 TB skus.

There are a ton more hardcore gamers than smartphone users, and a lot of those people got the 250 Xbox in lieu of a more expensve or lower capacity ps3 - like I did. 4gb on a 360 is borderline unusable for most of those people given all the stuff you need storage for on that system. they came out with the 320 GB hard drives for a reason. That being said, why don't they just use the cloud and steam Netflix or sine past :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
no more complaining now? :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
One less user for Microsoft. One less potential wp customer for developers. One less Zune pass subscriber.

Etc.

Get over being but hurt about the criticism and push Microsoft to improve. You aren't helping the platform by pushing those users away, because they'll likely push other potential customers toward the platform they moved to at the expense of this one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
4- 4Gb movies is not enough storage, there is no room for music, or backing up the entire OS to the sdcard. these are very simple, very much needed things.

give it time, M$ will come around, just like they did by relaxing the "must have xyz camera" in their specs. i'd bet M$ is currently salivating over having the RIM marketshare, and one of the reasons for relaxing the standards. will it happen ? most likely not. iphone, but more likely android will devour those possible customers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Well I gave in and repurchased a Zune HD. I have been holding on my upgrade for 3 months, anxiously waiting for a 32GB device which never came. I could have had a Lumia 800 for free probably. Instead I will cancel my contract and get a Pay As You Go sim card to use until there is a phone worthy of replacing my Omnia 7. I guess the real loser here is my carrier more than Microsoft since they still sold me a PMP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sonus:
I really don't know where people get off thinking that 8GB even 16GB shoudd be enough for me, and that should be the upper limit of music storage for everyone.

I don't care how many hours of music 16GBs offers. If I want to hear Song A, and only Songs B-D are currently on my phone, then 16GBs is not enough.

Its actually quite pathetic that I am stuck at the same storage limit that I was stuck on over a year ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VelJharig:
I'm getting really sick of this argument... it doesn't matter how much music you think someone else needs. It is insufficient compared to the competition, and simply because you don't use it, doesn't mean that people don't want it and can't reasonably use it.

I ran some rough calculations based on my personal use... first of all, 15 GB gets me about 75 hours of music, not 150. I rip everything at 320kbps, or a close equivalent with VBR, because I don't want to have to constantly adjust my music compression depending on where I'm planning to play it. My phone is used as a source for reasonable-quality audio gear, where one can notice the compression on 192kbps mp3s. I also have 19 genres on my phone right now. That means that I would get about... 3.9 hours of each genre if divided evenly, on 15 GB of storage. Which means that if I wanted to actually listen to different music in the same genre from day-to-day, I would have to swap out music regularly, if not daily, with 15 GB for music.

In addition to that, I have about 3 GB of video right now on my phone, just for review of some educational materials. This is not something I can stream from Netflix or Youtube. If I want to record a 720p video from the phone, it also chews up storage at an alarming rate. Of course, I also have games, apps, pictures, email accounts, etc. This is the only platform where I have to decide "hmm... do I want music variety, or the ability to review my videos, or the ability to record video today?"

In addition, you know perfectly well that 15 GB is an exaggeration... you get closer to 13.6 GB of storage available for all content on a 16 GB device. I currently have an original Focus with 24 GB of storage. It always has less than 1 GB free, and I am regularly moving content off/on it to manage the amount of content I currently use. Why would I want to make that worse by trying to move my content usage into a 16 GB device? The current storage offerings of Gen2 devices are insufficient for my needs, and as you can see from the various comments... I'm certainly not the only one. If they put out a 64 GB WP device, I would buy it. I consider 32 GB to be a compromise for my ideal device... and that ideal storage device exists on iOS and Android, so it's not an unreasonable expectation that it should also be offered for Windows Phone if Microsoft wants to be competitive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
OMG, I can't even respond Board Express is ****ing terrible

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[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
Just needs patience the higher capacity devices will come next year. No need to move to Android and the like.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Justin you're not making any sense. You're telling people to deal with a bad user experience for a year just to stay on the platform.

That's...

Nevermind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
It's not a bad experience and next year is only a few months away.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
It is a bad experience but since you're not living it you can't understand. That and you know, you're a fanboy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Obviously he has leaked specs designs and roadmaps from all the manufacturers. That why he knows what's coming when and has the authority to tell us what's good and what isn't.

We all thought the second gen devices would be better a year ago and look how that panned out. Maybe we should just bump those threads instead if trying to start redundant discussions that always get derailed by the MS Army.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
Just like how you people always derail threads spotlighting the good of the platform. How does it feel?

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[Windows Phone 7 General] renatofontes:
I'm actually ok with 16gb of storage... what I don't really don't like is that if I want a phone with frontal camera and 16gb of storage then the screen is going to have to be bigger than 4 inches... which for me is a lot...

Anyway it would be awesome if Microsoft made it a requirement for all phones to have SD Card slots. That way I could go and buy a Focus Flash or an HTC Radar and add more capacity if I wanted to.

For the time being, I'm sticking to my LG Quantum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Neither of those two have FFC. But you could do what you want with a first gen Focus. It has a slot for up to 40GB total. It has a 4" display but no FFC. Ad it has the same display tech. as the Flash
[Windows Phone 7 General] hotnikkelz:
I've been lurking these forums for a while now reading a lot of n8ter, justin, marty's, vetvito's posts and I'm wondering why it's so difficult for WP7 users to understand Android users and vice versa

It'll be far more productive to discuss facts, over personal preference and let the customer choose.

Facts (WP7)

The only device that can give you more than 16gb is old gen Samsung Focus cuz of the SD card. Take it or leave it. Not sure why that is the case if it's a limitation from the OEM, if it's MS fault. Doesn't matter. That's how it is.

There are people who want more than 16GB NATIVELY. It doesn't matter why, they simply want it. I personally want more native space, NOT CLOUD, natively.

sidenote (This limitation is preventing me from purchasing a WP7 device btw)

WP7 UI experience is GENERALLY smoother than the average Androids' UI. I don't care about cores or whatever. I've used them all. WP7's UI smootheness is probably it's largest strong point, makes the experience I've suffered with staggering UI on every device I've used thus far. It is possible that the highest of high don't experience it.

sidenote (Also every android device gives a different experience it seems, makes the platform identityless to me)

WP7 is MUCH less flexible than Android and lacks some basic features that Android has. No VPN support for example.

On a personal note now, I'm looking to buy a new phone and I don't want an android because the experience is horrible for me. eg I don't want to use an IM client, i want to be able to have SMS, IMs integrated into my native messaging app n900 style. Facebook integration into my contacts and messaging is important to me. This rules out android for me, as i find they don't do either in the way I want it to do. I maybe can do some hoop jumping but naaah. WP7 won't do it for me either because I cannot predict if they're going to expand the platform past their own services. ie. I may never see Google chat integrated like Facebook is and there's lack of simple things like custom ringtones for particular contacts, bluetooth transfers, needing Zune etc etc Not to mention I'm not too happy with the devices I'm seeing on that platform.

So with that said best device for me right now? looks to be the orphaned Nokia n9 as it does the basics of what i need very well. Now I have to worry about bugs (typical Nokia) and lack of apps...but I don't use many apps :)

I'm dissapointed that it gets NO Love on XDA, no forum, and QT is so nice, and should be easy peasy for devs here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
All of the 1st gen. phones have card slots. But they are mostly inaccessible and require a warranty voiding disassembly to get at them. It was widely understood in the beginning that WP7 used SD cards as internal memory for whatever reason...maybe a RAID effect...but MS has drastically altered WP7 from what it was supposed to be to what it is now. Nevertheless, the accessible card slot of the Focus is one of the reasons I believe the Focus is the best WP7 phone of them all. It offers up to 40GB of capacity and has the Metro UI-enhancing SAMOLED display. It has a nice slender design also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Omnia 7 and Optimus 7 don't have card slots.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
They should have slots. They are concealed like the HD7 if they have them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Some phones likeb the Omniscient 7 use NAND chips. Some use eMMC or Hidden SD slots. The only phones with slots are those using please designs that the manufacturers didn't want to change since that would have delayed the device release. The focus and DVP being two examples.

Not all the 1st Gen phones have card slots.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
There isn't even a snowball's chance in hell for the cloud to be sustainable. It's just too complex. And those that are creating it have no clue how to explain it to common users.

And this goes for all versions of it, including the iCloud. I spent a long time trying to understand the damned iCloud to no avail. Same for SkyDrive and apps like Spotify.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
MartyLK, you don't have to tell me but I'm a little curious where you fall in terms of age. I know a large number of people in the 20-30 range that have no issues understanding and embracing things like Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, Netflix, Spotify, and Pandora. The next generation? They'll think anything else is archaic (provided service providers don't screw things up and kill it with fees).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I know this is a storage thread, and a lot of you guys keeping throwing up Skydrive. I'm sitting here with my HD7, and I'm wondering

how do I get to this skydrive

, and

how do I use it

?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The only real native support is in the Photo and Office Hub. In the Photo Hub if you look at your albums it should show all of the photo albums you have on SkyDrive. In the Office Hub, notes are automatically stored in SkyDrive and you can access other types of documents by swiping to locations and picking SkyDrive
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
So, it's really just for documents and pictures?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Yeah, it's not a Google Music equivalent for now. Around the release of Mango, Microsoft released an API for it so I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't apps in the work to use it for music. It'd be nice if apps could start syncing saves and settings there too, since our backup situation sucks balls.