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[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
@unknown13x

Thanks for all the information.

I've got 3 questions. You can choose not to answer any and maintain the suspense of course :D

1) Is the Ion or whatever the 4.6 inch screen device going to be called, going to see a global launch?

2) Is the 'secret' feature you mentioned earlier still a secret? ;) It'll be fun to have a surprise for a change :)

3) Is there 'more to it than meets the eye' with respect to the bottom section of Nozomi? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
Yes it is still under 12mm but all the high end phones in 2011 were under 10mm and in 2012 they will even get thinner. Why is SE going from 8.9mm (Arc) to 11.3 Nozomi? :confused:

In my opinion it will be a big disadvantage for SE. The new iphone 5 and the next Samsung Galaxy 3 are rumored to be under 8mm.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I'm not sure if you noticed this, people who bought X10 2 years ago and stick to it will now need an upgrade. Nozomi is meant for those people. It is the true successor to the X10. The Arc was never communicated as a successor of the X10, and SE even mentioned it. The Arc will have a successor of its own. You can't expect that all of their new handsets will be either as thin or thinner than the Arc. They do need variations...I still highly suggest to try it out before judging. It's not as if they are forcing you to buy their devices...:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] -16-:
If I think a little bit in the past...: The w810i or the k800i for example felt better in my hand as the w880i or w890i. I don't like it if the device is too thin. So it is no matter of advantage or disadvantage but a matter of taste and preferations. That's just my opinion. I like the Nozomi with its brick design.

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[XPERIA X10 General] Cholek3:
That's me.:)

One question (unless was already answered). Former Aoba (LT28at) supposed to be 4.55 inch, 13MP back camera, front HD camera, 1.5GHz dual core processor MSM8660. Is it really gonna launch only in America and/or Japan? I like the specs of that phone and prefer to take that one rather than Nozomi. But I cannot understand why SE would launch two "different" phones for two markets (America/Japan and rest of the world). Is it really gonna be like that or there will be LT28i along with LT28at? It really bugs me.
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
I dont care about thickness either.Anything below 12mm is pretty slim imo.All i care about is the outdated processor that SE/Sony is gonna use on the device.There are much better processors on the market today(ti omap/exynos/st-ericsson).Sensation has been using that processor since May '11.
[XPERIA X10 General] Asadroid:
if the Nozomi uses the new Snapdragon S4 CPU then yeah it would be a GREAT phone
[XPERIA X10 General] Ekamsaral:
A lot of factors are involved, but I agree. Specs are more important nowadays. People are used to technical details.

Since most phones are similar when looking at the price it might be safe to say that the marketing of SE is very weak. Here they only show off their camera while others show off their functions.

SE also seems to choose not to implement the things that are or will become a standard (16m colors, multitouch, front camera). Their software usually leaves a lot to be wished for. Lastly I'll say that SE phones usually look great on paper but are horrible when released. Usually the software crippled the phone if it had great specs. Android seems to have prevented this for a part.

I dare to bet that if this nozomi is indeed releases it will lack some standard function and might even be crippled thanks to sloppy programming.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
The design looks very appealing I say but let's hope its as good as the sgs2 and if it is I will get one for sure and that is if it releases in canada lol
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
for us on 2year contracts this is what were gonna be tempted into, me thinks a galaxy nexus is more tempting:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] solbg:
god damned SE why you no bring IceCreamSandwich to the peoples :(
[XPERIA X10 General] drpeph:
Awesome looking cell
[XPERIA X10 General] Haldi4803:
Now! But how was it 1 Year ago ? When the Xperia X10 and X10 Mini hit the market ? i think SE had a bigger market share then!

*Would*..... Qualcomms S4 (aka Krait) will come in 1.half of 2012! It's said it has a 1.5ghz dual core. That might be MSM8960( Krait, whole SoC 28nm) or MSM8660(Scorpion 45nm) cuz they're both till 1.5ghz.

I dont think Krait is ready for production yet. Still.... i want to believe too!

btw, 12MP ExmoR sensor. hooray :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] josephnero:
i dont care about quadrant.but guyz,it scores over 6291 in Antutu benchmark.the best Galaxy s2 does is 5750.and consider the hd resolution vs wvga.

here is a pic:

PS:in contrary to rumors,it has memory slot.check the SD card write and read speed rate
[XPERIA X10 General] josephnero:
icecream isnt publicly released yet.not even Galaxy nexus is out yet.are you joking?:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Asadroid:
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/news/rumor-first-28nm-snapdragon-s4-devices-to-arrive-by-february/

they are in production and may be in February so it may be a S4 because Nozomi its in prototype stage so it could be using S4 prototypes
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
i´d love to see unkonwnx13´s opinion on this, maybe he can shed some light on it?!!
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I doubt it...

SE don't do things like that.

They aren't into being advanced or leading edge
[XPERIA X10 General] josephnero:
yes.although iam a Sony fan i dont think this will happen.most likely it will be S3

PS:i would love to see S4 unleashed by sony for first time
[XPERIA X10 General] Asadroid:
well i have "hope" in them, but i just hope that it doesnt end as a name only..
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
What opinion do you need from me? I've been monitoring the thread only. Definitely don't want to spoil the excitement on this product :p

Also, don't judge the device from what you see. These test devices are missing half the special hardware that will be in the final product. Not that they're going to exclude it, but for cost saving and for internal demo purposes, they did not include it. SE's been doing this since the Arc, so many sites are clueless to what will appear in the final product. So if you're already satisfied with what the rumor says, there would be more to please you when it announces... :)
[XPERIA X10 General] LJE:
I disagree.... I believe it's all about marketing.

I hadn't even heard of the x10 when me and the misses started looking for a new phone each.

We went to get the sgs because we had seen it on tv a few times and i had checked it out in reviews.

We were about to buy 1 each when the misses spotted the x10.

After holding both the sgs and x10 we both decided to get the x10. (mainly because they both seemed to performed similar but x10 had the look and feel of a better phone)

Lets be honest.... the average user doesn't push their phone to the limit. They don't need 3500+ quadrant score or a 2.4GH processor in their phone.

Since buying the x10, everyone that has asked about it has been impressed with its looks but didn't know a thing about it from lack of advertisement. Then when I would ask about their iphone, they didn't have a clue what processor they had.... (or screen size)

my misses works at a childcare center and a heap of the people there now have x10's...... not one of them would realize they are missing out on extra ram or have an old adreno 200 gpu....

They are simply stoked that they have a stylish phone, that has facebook integrated and can play angry birds....

but maybe they aren't part of this "market" ;)

It's all about marketing and word of mouth... I'm sure you know this
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I totally disagree....

If anything se has fantastic marketing, sleek devices and nice commercials.

I've never seen an htc or samsung phone ad.

They are selling on much more than marketing, word of mouth popularity,/customer satisfaction, and specs are definitely in their favor.
[XPERIA X10 General] LJE:
ahh ok, not here.

Over here the x10 has one add that ive seen and it (was) one of the ****test adds ive ever seen.

And I didn't even see it until the phone was 8-10 months old.

But I agree, word of mouth and customer satisfaction has a big play in it. I think specs just set the price.

In my opinion, it's more about looks and function more then if it has the latest chipset or amount of ram

*for example... the x10 has enough ram for me. But i am being told it's not enough because there are better/newer phones with more ram and better gpu out there.

So now i need more :D

If I didn't spend time in these forums (like my misses/ most users) I wouldn't even know it was low on ram
[XPERIA X10 General] tuner520:
Manufacturers including SE rarely advertised their phone back when the X10 was a new release. It was more the carriers promoting phones but smartphones were still not so mainstream.

Now, smartphones are the most popular new cell phones, and many consumers are caught up to this trend so there are many smartphone advertisements out there, and it's still advertised by the cellphone carriers.

Like the SGS2 and SGS2 LTE is advertised by Docomo, and Iphone 4S is done by Softbank and KDDI AU.

At least that's how it has been, still is, and looks to be so in the future here in Japan.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I knew because when multitasking things frequently closed on me, and the phone lagged.

That stuff is a thing of the past for me now.

People might not know specific specs, but they definitely notice lag or poor performance.

Also in this technological computer orientated age, to say there aren't a large number of techy spec savvy consumers would be fallacious.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
the MSM8260 is still one of the BEST dual core chips in market and will be for some time to come as jumping to quad core (AS OF NOW) is of no use...

even now most apps including the OS itself cant use the dual cores fully... may be soon with ICS (4.0.x versions) they may start utilizing it better...
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
Well tell that to all the millions that preferred dual-core phones this year,instead of xperia arc.I thought that the msm8260,was one of the worst dual-core chips in the market,easily losing in benchmaks from exynos and ti omap 4(even tegra2?). I want my 2012 600$ smartphone to have a better processor than sensation/galaxy s2,cause i intend to keep it for more than just 6 months.
[XPERIA X10 General] Cholek3:
Why are you talking about MSM8260. Nozomi has MSM8660, hasn't it?
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
It is the same chip with different Connectivity features. that is the only difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
then wait for Snapdragon S4 chipset MSM8960... it will have 28nm fabrication process (battery friendly) and will feature latest CPU & GPU tech...

but these devices will come around June-Aug 2012... so u might want to wait till then...

i dont know if SE will be using those chips though...

anyways i have already decided to personally buy one of the latest SE devices which gets released (MSM8260)... then play with it till Snapdragon S4 chipset comes, HTC device preferably... then buy that one too... ;) will have to sell all old phones but then that device would be worth it :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Cholek3:
I just found out myself, but thanks anyway.:) It does not change the fact it has MSM8660.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
if i remember correctly MSM8260 is a GSM/WCDMA version, where as MSM8660 is a CDMA/EVDO version...
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
I have a feeling that the exynos 5-series,will slay both snapdragon s4 and ti omap 4470 this year.It's a shame,cause SE could have worked closer with st-ericsson,and be lauching phones this time around with the u9540 chipset(better than all exynos on market today),and be the first to launch phones based on u9600 chipset(the first PowerVR6 gpu on the market).
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
yups ST-Ericsson CPU + MALI GPU (the NovaThor chipset) will be a killer combination...

if SE releases U9600 chip (or whichever highend chip) device I WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN BUYING THAT ONE!!!

EDIT:

seems U9500 is the best one listed on ST-Ericsson's site:

http://www.stericsson.com/products/u9500-novathor.jsp
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
the u9500 is the one currently available..But they were sampling the u9540/u9600 in 2011,so if SE wanted they could have got it first(thanks to Ericsson).According to rumours SE will be using the u8500 in their mid-range dual-cores(still i cant understand why the didnt use the u9500,maybe because it was better than msm8260?)
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
Some more details

The Nova A9600, built in 28nm, will deliver groundbreaking multimedia and graphics performance, featuring a dual-core ARM Cortex- A15-based processor running up to up to 2.5 GHz breaking the 20k DMIPS barrier, and a POWERVR Rogue GPU that delivers in excess of 210 GFLOPS. The graphics performance of the A9600 will exceed 350 million ‘real’ polygons per second and more than 5 gigapixels per second visible fill rate (which given POWERVR’s deferred rendering architecture results in more than 13 gigapixels per second effective fill rate). Thanks to Rogue Nova will support all existing APIs such as Microsoft DirectX. The Nova A9600 is sampling in 2011.

The Nova A9540, built in 32nm, uses a dual-core Cortex-A9 running at up to 1.8 GHz and delivers graphics performance up to four times that of the U8500 and is sampling H2 2011.

The Nova A9500, built in 45 nm, uses a dual-core Cortex-A9 running at clock speeds of up to 1.2GHz, with Mali™ 400 improving graphics performance up to 20 percent, supporting full HD camcorder capabilities and up to 20 megapixel cameras. It is sampling and in design with ST-Ericsson customers today.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
price points!

they want to get devices at lower price ranges... e.g. the tegra2 chipset (dual core) devices are currently retailing ~380 USD in India... i think SE want to compete in this 350-400 USD price range with a few mid range dual core devices...

interesting!

i wonder when i can get to use CUDA/GPGPU on these mobile devices :P

damn atleast WIN8/MATLAB should run on them...

HAHAAHHAHA!!! >>>>

Rogue Nova
[XPERIA X10 General] :
st-e vs qualcomm
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
I think SE could have easily snatched the A9540 for their 2012 high-end smartphones.The A9600 sounds so groundbreaking,that i cant even imagine the the performance that it will bring.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
that is interesting but it is a st-e marketing sheet.

I can pull up the qualcomm marketing sheets and it will make the same claim.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
precisely!
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Well I can't / won't be more specific than that ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
Well,if the u8500 outperforms the msm8260,then the u9500 and the u9540,would tear it apart.

SE marketing gurus miss one important thing.That it's us(those who look for detail),that make a smartphone popular.If a smartphone gets good word of mouth on forums/tech sites then it sells much better.While in real life performance choosing exynos over msm8260,wont make much difference,it' still important to know that your phone is using one of the best processors in the market.It used to be the same with the megapixel race back in the 00s.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
The A9500 is already in use in HTC Sensation z710t but at 1GHz for China Mobile that supports TD-SCDMA with a M6718 modem.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
You and your benchmarks.... :p

So often you can read that ppl compare MSM8260 with Exynos, for example. So most people compare HTC Sensation with Galaxy S2, use for Dual core phones outdated benchmarks like Quadrant and are disappointed that MSM8260 performs so "worse". But they forget that a) Sensation has less ram, a 17% higher resolution which must be rendered b) the specs are so much marketing and c) both phones are pretty smooth, especially with a custom ROM. And isn´t this the main point? That a phone gives you a satisfying experience in all different features it offers? The feature to swagger in front of other nerds that the own phone is sooo much better in benchmarks isn´t a feature a phone must offer, especially as mentioned before when a phone can´t really make use of it´s power because the system or the associated apps don´t really support it :p

In the next 2 month I can choose a new phone. It is always a stupid time to choose a new phone imo because on January and February all the next sweet generation phones are introduced which arrive my provider to late for me in the summer.

This time the most interesting phones in the product range are Sensation XE, Arc S and Galaxy SII. So I remembered that Doom wrote this awesome Galaxy SII review from point of view of a X10 user. And although it was written some month ago I guess nothing has really changed yet and summarized a dual core phone isn´t a must have yet.

So I think Sony will offer a pretty interesting device with the Nozomi even when there will be more modern phones in the market. Some people will moan that it isn´t powerful enough because they can´t play a game with 500fps or sth but a regular user won´t care. But I think even the smaller part who are interested in flashing custom ROMs and want the max in performance shouldn´t write it off because it should be appreciated that Sony Ericcson (and I hope Sony won´t change this strategy) changed so much and supports the community better than the most other phone companies.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Forgive me for my contradictions, but it's really not true that forums make the phone sell much better (When I worked at SE, we've seen stats on this). Or else the Arc and Neo V would not sell at all. It helps but not to that extent.

The most important is more of real world performances. So having a newer chipset where you only see milliseconds of better performance, I doubt anyone would care. It's just the truth. Us tech enthusiasts would love to see the best and newest on devices, but they are a business. If having one super-tech but expensive phone would sell, they would've done that a long time ago. It's not rocket science to figure that out that's for sure.

Also, for those who are wishing for the U9500/U9600 from ST-E, you'll be having a much higher percentage that future devices will be based on that. From what I heard, when SE got passed on to Sony, they made agreements about chipsets with Ericsson, so I can say about 80-90% that they will stick to it for the rest of 2012.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
New SE accessory

http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/8/2692152/sony-working-on-a-new-liveview-wristwatch
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
Looks really nice. Would be cool to have one, mostly for music control, but it's a battery drainer, as it will use Bluetooth (LiveView use it, right?)
[XPERIA X10 General] 1Learning:
I don't really have an issue with the Nozomi's processor. I think it looks fine but others obviously do disagree, very few phones out there are universal in their appeal in terms of looks anyway. The processor is fine, not the "best" and newest but unless quad-core becomes the low end standard within the next 2 years, it is fine.

The processor/phone will probably age gracefully in terms of what it can handle from the market. Remember except for certain apps, the apps have to be able to be used by the majority of Android phones out there so that means from the entry level to the top tier ones. So unless you are constantly playing the super new games (and many of the apps requiring the newest processors are games), it will do for most other purposes. Yeah, it will affect bragging rights, but the rest of the phone is pretty good.

But I don't like the lack of micro-SD card/expandable memory. Yeah, Sony has that Box.net cloud offer but there is still something to be said about having a removable memory card. Especially if you have a 12mp (or even "just" 8mp) camera with 1080i (or is it 1080p) video recording capability. Just using the camera alone will take up a lot of memory (I am assuming the camera is going to be good). Not to mention other media content. Imagine taking a lot of snapshots and running out of space. Or taking a long trip and being lazy so decide to just carry your phone with media content. Very easy to swap a memory card for new photos/media. And if you don't have an unlimited data plan, all that uploading and downloading of content will get expensive (assuming you are not using wi-fi and/or not connected to a computer which you can't be all the time).

Remember when hard drives were considered big when they were megabytes? Now it is counted in gigabytes at least. So 32gb could be a lot for some, but not really for me. Is the processor and lack of expandable memory deal breakers? Depends on pricing...
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
ok, this is getting ridiculous. Another dimension change on Nozomi.

128 x 64 x 10.6 mm

This is FINAL change as it will appear on the press release. May be it went to the gym right before annoucement :D

ALSO. Yes, No more SE logo on these devices when it goes on retail (including Liquid Energy). Good bye SE. It will be 100% Sony on the device. TBH, the Sony logo doesn't look that bad on Nozomi :D

Boot up logo will now be Sony too...So you will not see any sign of "Sony Ericsson" on the new devices...Kinda sad actually, it's been a great experience under that name... :(
[XPERIA X10 General] LORELAI89:
Well,it had to happen one day.It's better starting the year with just one brand,so consumers dont get confused.Lenovo today,unveiled a tablet using dual-core krait cpu,if lenovo can have access to that,why couldn't SE just do the same??I really want Nozomi to be a success,however SE makes their life difficult by choosing such a crappy soc.I dont wont to be stuck with dual-core scorpion,when everyone uses dual-core cortex a9/a15 or krait.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
cool!

thank god i didnt buy the one on sale a few days back ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] wing_zero8556:
awwwwww i was kinda hoping i'd get "the last SE phone" haha, thanks for the info :D looking forward to the announcement tomorrow
[XPERIA X10 General] kurk_droog:
To bad they don't keep the logo of SE :(

I really love that green dot on the back of my X10. But after Ericsson R600, SE T610, K700, W810, G900 and X10 I will stay with Sony :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
I will miss the logo on the devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
When will Sony make something like this

This will get announced at the CES.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Luna (aka. Sony Xperia ion) will be announced in a few minutes here. Yes, by now if you follow AT&T's keynote, they are pushing for "Payment" system, which could only mean the missing feature on the new devices is........ "NFC" :D

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/live-att-dev-summit-keynote/?sort=newest&refresh=30
[XPERIA X10 General] jobumaru:
Post in sony ericsson spanish blog

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Sony Xperia S

Iconic Identity desing (all new smartphones [ Xperia NXT] from sony have)

Screen Reality Display 4.3 inch HD 1280×720 píx resolution, 342ppp and Mobile BRAVIA™ Engine, with hard glass

Camera: front 1.3MP (record 720p)/ back 12MP with Exmor R™ autoefocus, aperture f/2.4 record 1080p.flash LED. Smile detection, face detection, panoramic photo 2d/3d,,etc and new feature Fast Capture™ (u can take a picture only with one click when the mobile is in stand by)

Proccessor Qualcomm MSM8260 dual core 1.5GHz, 1GB de RAM, 32GB storage.

WiFi 11n DLNA, Bluetooth A2DP, radio FM with RDS, HDMI, microUSB and jack 3.5mm. aGPS/GLONASS NFC

xLOUD

Can acces: Sony Entertainment Network, Music Unlimited ; Video Unlimited ; PlayStation Store ( PlayStation™ certificate)

Batery: 1750mah. 8 hours in conversation, 450 in stand by, 25 listen music, and 6 with video

Colors: black or white

Android 2.3 upgradable to ICS

Sorry for my horrible english
[XPERIA X10 General] aequinox:
Press Release for the Xperia S and the Smart Accessoires:

via movilman.es
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
i have a question....

can the PS Vita run android?

seems to be a very high end device...