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[XPERIA X10 General] nakTT:
Glad to hear that. Is seems that this thread is in a good hand.

BTW, I am kind of wonder why Sony go the Apple way when is come to non user removable battery. It is a single biggest reason that makes me think twice about getting the upcoming Sony phone (and one of the reason I hate Apple and all other tablet). Anyone please share your comment.

Thank you in advance.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
Yes I agree with u.... My biggest concern is if I am doing some testing and if the device locks up/kernel fails to boot/bootloop then how am I supposed to reset device into fastboot/flash mode (that's assuming that semc keep bootloader unlock option)
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Exactly doom that won't be easy this might mean alot of bricked device's in no time but i guess if they found some way to put it in we can surely take it off but it won't be as easy as on the x10 ..
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Looks so god damn slow compared on the galaxy nexus !
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
GPU rendering is disabled in the videos.

@Doom hopefully they put in a reset button or something else that can substitute for removing the battery.

Sent from my Snapdragon.
[XPERIA X10 General] nakTT:
I assume you mean is how to simulate battery removal for "non-user replaceable" battery? If that is the case, like for Nokia N8, you just press power button for a few seconds (some say 8 seconds) then the phone will react as if you remove and put the battery back in.

But still, my concern is that since battery technology has been lagging so much compared to the SoC on the phone, we might need to replace the battery sooner if we are a heavy user. In my country, everything is expensive so we generaly cannot afford to pay the cost for Sony Centre to open up our phone and replace the battery because even the cost of the battery it self is almost prohibitively high. FYI, other brand is a bit cheaper compared to Sony here.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ah interesting.... but i doubt it will work if it has a non-booting kernel... i have faced these issues on ARC, PLAY so i know wht i am saying ;)

battery tech is a very valid point... but that goes for all manufacturers so cant really blame SE for that :D
[XPERIA X10 General] nakTT:
Thanks for the reply.

Agree with you.;)

As for the battery, most of other manufacturer allow us to remove the battery. So we can avoid paying to them the expensive (and the inconvenience) service charge to open up our phone and replace the battery. I am one of the owner who never really like people to unscrew and open up my phone unless it is absolutely necessary (in this case can be avoided if Sony maintain their current policy on battery) :(

Anyone know any useful (to end user) reason why Sony take this path and follow Apple?

Please share your thought.

Thank you in advance.
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
Ohhh lol my bad didnt read well .. merry Christmas dude ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Simple answer, misuse of third party battery. Helps eliminate any damage that may cause from third party batteries (no BOOMs).

Some may argue they need to change battery if the battery dies or worn out from long usage. One service and a small extra charge is much less than continuously getting the whole board replaced due to sub-standard batteries. You'll be surprised how many people come in for services because they used sub-standard batteries. The only way to repair is to replace the whole fried board, and it costs a lot more than just one service + new battery.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
So is there any way to do a hard reset if the device gets stuck up? Or should we just wait for battery to die out?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I'll find out and get back to you about it DL :)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
How much for a dev board like that?

Do companies sell those?
[XPERIA X10 General] hiddenfr:
GSMarena says Nozomi use GPU Adreno 220,why not use Tegra II ?

the design is very elegant,slim with unique buttons :D
[XPERIA X10 General] nakTT:
That is hardly high end hardware.

Hope the camera part can compensate that.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
from what i remember... adreno220 is a better chip than Tegra2...
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
I hope it's not another under specialized camera phone. :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
quite frankly i dont mind that but it should have mid-high/high end specs & should be running android... NOT SYMBIAN!!!! :P
[XPERIA X10 General] nakTT:
If the high end model do not have the high end SoC, at least I hope they put in 32/28nm generation of SoC for power consumption sake.

And the most important is an excellent camera so it can have some good things to begin with.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
But.. the interesting thing is.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=13912160&postcount=1

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11840291&postcount=1

Actually.. the GPU looks realy good.

Oh.. BTW.. Tegra 3 around corner.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
so my HTC Flyer also doesnt have a removable battery BUT when the device gets stuck i can use a button combination (vol down + power) to hard reset it into bootloader (hboot) mode...

may be SE should implement something similar... NOT S-ON but the "hard reset" ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
CES is close. Any new rumours?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
New Rumors? Yes, Nozomi's name has been decided. Will have less letters than the Arc :p These will be "official" Sony handsets, and NOT SE handsets any longer.

The final SE handset is the Arc S that's already available.
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
I thought SE was going till mid 2012 thus the new handsets are still SE

I could be wrong, its just what ive heard
[XPERIA X10 General] Denie46:
I thought the same thing but as I think again it would be pointless to announce their high-end devices under SE name.
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
Nope,Nozomi will be final SE handset,called SE Arc HD.

Sent from my xperia "z10i" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
Nope,Tegra 2 is same or better,and Tegra 3 is outstanding chipset,probably the best in 2012.

Sent from my xperia "z10i" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Are you correcting me or is that sarcasm? :p
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
Wait and u will see!;)

Sent from my xperia "z10i" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Oh is it so? Makes sense actually. I just have one question? Is the SE logo still there or has it been phased out too? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] shahkam:
My question is will on the sony device the SE logo dissapear ? :( i kinda like it !
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
They still are. It's not like SE's website is going to disappear. They'll remodel so it resembles more to Sony, so when Q3 comes, they can phase off easily. You'll see how after CES announcement.

Oh We'll see ;) Arc HD...that just makes me laugh. FYI, SE never reuses a model name unless it's the exact same body. Just letting you know. The second device won't be Aoba. Mind telling us what it would be since it looks like you know it? :rolleyes:

It's still deciding. I heard they may keep the liquid identity, and change name to Sony Mobile, but there are other possibilities that are still in discuss. Won't know until Q3.
[XPERIA X10 General] radiohead14:
sorry if this was answered before (30 pages is a lot to read!), but does anyone know if verizon will be getting a sony android phone soon? i've been hearing about an upcoming phone with a really good camera (one of the most important factors for me). my upgrade is up now, but would be willing to wait another month or so if there's one being released soon. i thought about the nexus, but i was disappointed with the camera on it. i don't see any other alternatives so far (besides the iphone 4s, which i'd rather not get). thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Great. I hope they stick with it. It looks cool :)

Btw...fewer letters than Arc you say? What about Xperia HD? or Xperia On? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
Well Verizon does have the xperia play...
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
I know that Nozomi is the last SE phone.;)

Sent from my xperia "z10i" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
It has SE as the logo since SE started developing on it(obviously) but it won't be announced under SE any longer. It will officially be under Sony brands, terms, and everything. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
Will c.:)

Sent from my xperia "z10i" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] radiohead14:
not interested in that one, since i don't do gaming much at all. so that upcoming phone w the 13mp camera is not heading to verizon?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Sorry radiohead, I have no info whether any new CDMA devices would be announce for Verizon.

Another info for those who are interested. The new devices is now confirmed to launch with ICS which previously was GB and update before end of Q2, so yay? It will go to retail right after the 2011 devices get their ICS update, so everyone should be getting the taste of ICS around the same time.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
damn... that means a delay for the devices to get released :(
[XPERIA X10 General] batman_112:
EXACTLY!!! The delay cycle continues!! By the time they launch these phones, other OEMs would have their next flagships out or announced and Sony will be behind again! I played around with my friend's SII last night, and I must say I was very impressed! Not sure how much longer I will be loyal to SE/Sony?! :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ya... u r right... i too am waiting... but if the Snapdragon S4 chipset based device gets released before SE/Sony comes out with its phones then i will buy the Snapdragon S4 chip one...
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Their devices' schedule aren't tied to the ICS release of the 2011 line :(

It's just they're aiming to release ICS for the 2011 line in time for the new device to go on retail. Please don't have it the wrong way...
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ah ok...

thanks for clarifying that...

but one would expect that the new devices (with ICS onboard) are launched a few weeks before they start the official update for older Xperia 2011 devices...
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
@unknown13x

Thanks for clarifying our doubts.

Now, since u said that we'll see Nozomi and another device, which is not Aoba at CES, is that device probably Nypon?

If Aoba is not outed at CES but at MWC, wouldn't it kill the demand for Nozomi? I don't think Sony will launch a device which'll be detrimental to another of its products.

So could you help me with the possibilities here unknown13x? :D

does the Aoba stand cancelled?

or nozomi and aoba projects have been merged and we now get ONE device?

Lastly, with manufacturers surely launching quad core devices at mwc, are we to believe SE will still be relying on 1st gen dual cores? or is there a story behind this too? ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
No, not Nyphon. Aoba is gone for now. No info if it'll be resurrected. This new device is similar to Aoba, just different codename. I'm sure you want to ask why Aoba is canceled and put in a device that's the same. I cannot say, as it will affect on purchase decisions, and people might wait for nothing, so I rather not say until things are confirmed.

Also, I don't see what's the hype about Aoba?

SE's strategy has been working for them last year even though their device was single core. I believe devices are at a point where it's "just good enough". At least they can battle on a more equal ground IMO, since video/camera performance wouldn't be that different going from dual-core to quad-core correct me if I'm wrong. They're getting the 1080p capture which a dual-core is sufficient enough. It's not as if everyone who bought their phone would be benchmarking the crap out of their phone...oh well it's not for me to decide. If anyone would want a quad-core phone, then it's definitely their choice, but would it be a deal-breaker to many, well, we'll find out soon enough.
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Oh is it? Well, if the 'supposed' spec list is anything to go by, then Aoba tops Nozomi, which brings about all the speculation as to why Sony would launch two devices, which are quite similar? won't everyone go for Aoba?

Or probably there's more to it than meets the eye. Or Aoba isn't really that superphone that it's made out to be ;)

I do agree on the strategy bit. Its worked for them last year. Guess we'll have to swallow the fact that Sony will not experiment as of now, and hence wont dish out top of the line devices, best in both hardware and software. Or probably I am wrong.

I dont get all the hoopla about multiple cores. two is good enough atm. ICS is optimized for dual cores. I am unaware if it does its magic on quad core devices too. I certainly don't know. There are hardly any apps that can take advantage of a dual core, let alone a quad core setup.

But it will lead to a lot of disappointment. Especially now since the consumer is looking to play the numbers game. has always been the case. To put it simply, Sony will be outing devices with dual cores while everyone else will be offering quad core powered devices. Might be a little marketing problem for Sony.

Guess only time will tell.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
:( You might want to wait and see them after announcement before setting course straight to LT28...might not be what you're expecting it to be...
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
Thank you. I'll do just that. It'll be interesting to see, now that you've put it that way.

So just to clarify, we'll be seeing LT26 (Nozomi) and LT28 ( New device which replaced Aoba) at CES?

So Nypon and the rest at MWC then?
[XPERIA X10 General] :
I believe all phones with ST-E under the hood will be on sale end Q2
[XPERIA X10 General] SEFanX10i:
First teaser pic of the new SONY branded phone

Source: Sony Electronics Switzerland FB page.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
It is not a phone. It is the Sony Walkman Z that is currently only available in Japan. Most likely it will be announced for the rest of the world.
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
If they made a phone out of this, I would buy it based on looks alone.
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
nice to see the walkman branding back!
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Troll fail.

1. it's pretty.

2. "there's no GSM radio so.. that makes me feels safe"

But yeah.. phone like this sporting the latest in hardware.

"hug"
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
New picture of the Nozomi (Xperia HD) compared to the Arc S.

All the new pictures can be found HERE
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
Why why why would they do something like this?! One of the deciding factors in choosing a smartphone is, how fast will I run out of space? Taking away support for micro sd cards is counterproductive, and could impact the consumer's choice. What the hey, if these guys don't let me expand my storage, why not get an iPhone? (Perish the thought!) And why micro sim cards. Is it a size thing, because the difference is miniscule. Maybe they want to be like apple and force everyone to buy an 'xperia data plan' like the overpriced 'iPhone plans' on At&t.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I still can't believe people are still into the HD name stuff. Especially the "Arc HD" :p That's not it's name peeps...

32GB On board isn't enough for you? How big is your SD card? 64GB? I don't see anything wrong with micro-SIM....at least they LET you change the card, and not shove it down your throat like the fruity company.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
is it just me or does the ARC still look better?

this one looks like a brick :P

ah what the hell... i dont have a MSM8260 device with me... might as well buy this one... ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] alzbac:
Designer was very inspired by taking brick as inspiration.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
and based on the photo is looks like it is at least 12mm thick.
[XPERIA X10 General] deveron3:
Points taken. Yes my sdcard is 64gb. Got from amazon. Just hoping they don't do it on all their phones...
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
It's actually 10.6mm (Based on the whitepaper I received) ;) It looks thick because of the square shape, and taking its image next to the arc makes matter worse...

You may have to take advantage of the Cloud storage services from Sony.

Also, more news...ICS is off from the new devices during the announcement. It will be 2.3.7 GB instead (Whatever you see in the new leaks is correct). They'll rush the ICS development as fast as possible, so they won't shoot themselves in the foot by announcing it with ICS and not be able to deliver in time for retail. From what I heard, they're doing parallel development right now. Getting GB to be stable "enough" to last the period of getting ICS ready. Pretty short notice if you ask me...
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
Phone looks good, but I would say no against some of it's specs. I could better get the Galaxy Nexus then.
[XPERIA X10 General] dachao:
@unknown13x

Since you got the whitepaper. What are the actual dimensions of the phone?

It sure does look a lot larger than the Arc.
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
ok specs wise... this phone is much better then Galaxy Nexus...
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericss...628.php?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

A new kernel for Doom to play with :D

I bet the same method as with all their devices ; the kernel will never be changed just modified for ICS and whatever comes next :(
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
That's why I say some of the specs :P
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
Lol, easily mistaken for an android phone
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
yups ;)

the MSM8260 is a powerhouse...
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
@unknown13x

The leaked photos and specs we are seeing are final or true? The non removable battery, no MicroSD slot, micro SIM, 16/32 Gb storage?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Yes. No 16GB, just 32GB.

Dimension is 128 x 64 x 10.6 mm. There's still one spec that was never leaked, but someone other than me already knows, at least it's still under wrap...phew...Will keep it for surprise (to some). :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
Well, thanks for the info. This phone is huge compared to my X10 MP. One think never leaked, what is it? What is missing... Anyway, there is going to be a Pro version of something? With slideout keyboard, like Pro or Mini Pro.

You are making me excited for CES. I will watch it live.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
NFC? LTE maybe?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
They are... UGLY... very ugly.

I also noticed both of them have low battery. :P

ok.. that's not really fair.

The glass or transparent bar.. -_-

Then the other one reminds me of a x10...

a really ugly one.

it does not look like much thought went into this.

The hardware better shred.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalundone:
Oof, 12 megapixels? VERY tempting. And I'm glad to hear that it has the MSM8660 ... possibility of AWS support? Probably little chance of that with TMO nearly getting gobbled up by AT&T, but I'll stay hopeful up to the announcement :)
[XPERIA X10 General] karun11:
@unknown13x

One spec which hasn't been leaked yet? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Sorry guys, wrong dimensions for Nozomi LOL wrong file opened.

It will be this dimension 126.1 x 65.4 x 11.3mm which is still under 12mm :D

Last tip until everything being revealed at CES January 9th. Nozomi's name will only have 1 letter :D So scratch all that HD stuff, it's getting old...
[XPERIA X10 General] Kingcool88:
And the dimensions you were talking about before, what phone was that?:)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Just preliminary documents for Nozomi, wasn't finalized.
[XPERIA X10 General] Kingcool88:
Ok thats fair!

What about the Walkman stuff SE India is hinting about? Do you have any nice info about that?:)
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
Great that narrows down the possibilities to just 26...

Lets start guessing ;)

My guess: Xperia X
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
I'm guessing "Xperia Z" to go along with the "Walkman Z".
[XPERIA X10 General] LJE:
If the name is just one letter, I'd back xperia x as well... anything else doesn't sound right ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
I do...a very hideous phone IMO (Even my colleague said so). I would love to give more info, though the specs have been leaked (won't say which one), but it's too early at the moment. May be end of this month I can tip out some more. Let's keep things for CES for now ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] SEFanX10i:
So the Walkman phone is a Sony device, right and not Sony Ericsson ? That's what SE India mentioned - a Sony gadget.

Developed entirely by Sony ?
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
MT27i´Pepper´leak

IMO a very good decision from Sony to launch a compact phone with much power. Not every one wants so huge screens but prefer a more compact design (which is again not very nice imo).

source
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
@unknown13x

We will see something with keyboard, any Pro model, soon? And you know about any release dates? Hope the ones announced by CES launch by April, my uncle is going to US and I will ask him to bring it to me.
[XPERIA X10 General] -16-:
I take the 1 letter fact a bit different. Maybe it is Xperia Jay or something like this...

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[XPERIA X10 General] :
How many models do we think will be shown at CES? 3?

Nozomi

Pepper

Nypon

??
[XPERIA X10 General] Dr.Gonzo105:
When would the Sony branded phones come? :p
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Only 2 devices at CES. All of the phones in 1st half will have SE logo on the device, but they will be communicated as Sony devices. They will no longer call Sony Ericsson Xperia blah blah blah. They will be Sony Xperia blah blah blah.

That Pepper leak, is suppose to be the new Walkman :D man, they can't keep things under wrap can they? :p

However, please keep in mind that the Walkman decision was when SE developed this. Sony's decision to let go of featured phones may change the fate of this device to just be a regular Xperia device...

The "Sony" branded devices should be in by 2H 2012.

@Felimenta97

Sorry, nothing on the keyboard devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] Felimenta97:
Thanks for all of your help making us more excited about CES. My guesses are Nyphon and Nozomi for CES.

They should let the Sony Ericsson logo... I think it's more beautiful than the Sony one.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Xperia S & Ion
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Hmm my guess is

Xperia A

Xperia B

Xperia C

Xperia D

Xperia E

Xperia F

Xperia G

Xperia H

Xperia I

Xperia J

Xperia L

Xperia M

Xperia N

Xperia O

Xperia P

Xperia Q

Xperia R

Xperia S

Xperia T

Xperia U

Xperia V

Xperia W

Xperia X

Xperia Y

Xperia Z

Xperia 1

Xperia 2

Xperia 3

Xperia 4

Xperia 5

Xperia 6

Xperia 7

Xperia 8

Xperia 9

Xperia 0

Xperia ♥
[XPERIA X10 General] neoxx3m:
Yep,Nozomi is fugly piece of brickphone..
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
Could be xperia W or C
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/01/07/xperia-s-and-xperia-ion-to-be-announced-at-ces/

Hmmm I wonder if they read my posts and grab the info from me :p

It's still not Hayabusa. The codename starts with "L" for Ion. The name for Nozomi however...;)

There should also be 3 "Smart" accessories announcing along these new products.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Will any of them sport the 1700 band like the x10i?
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
Sadly no...
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Samsung it is for me ):
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
cheers for all the info unknown13x!
[XPERIA X10 General] TAL333:
Great. What is AT&T paying Sony to keep stylish phones away from T-Mobile in the US. I'm beginning to not foresee T-Mobile in my future. Come to think of it, will Sony be releasing any stylish phones (X10 or Arc style) in 2012 or just stylized slabs? :confused:

tal333 :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
NFC?????????

amoled screen?

gorilla glass?
[XPERIA X10 General] DooMLoRD:
for Nozomi i think the name will be iXperia :D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
xperia s was on my mind. lol
[XPERIA X10 General] championswimmer:
especially after arc s