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[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
They will only honor the exchange once. Been there done that with another phone. At least Apple during the original iphone days (yes before they had apps you could install on the phone), exchanged my phone 3 times before telling me no more exchanges, but best buy and AT&T will only do it once and that is it.

Now I also have insurance and guess what they tell you for that, "You still have to deal with the manufacturer because you are still under their warranty period."

That is what AT&T is doing for me, is "handling" my warranty exchange for me, and giving me a "like" new phone and sort it out with Moto. later.

So if you still want to try it I can PM you the code and you can build the image based on that and really brick your phone, for a method that is a sure fire way to brick, until I can figure out how to use it more successfully. Once I get my phone exchange I will try with an improved method before I break anyone else's phone. I don't want to make the code public, until after I figure out how to make it usable, if I can

I am hoping I can do something like they did with the zergRush root method and get a good reliable repeatable solution compiled.
[Motorola Atrix 2] frycook15:
I only suggested doing it cause no matter what I need to exchange this phone and also atm I do not see a point of knowing that im gonna brick my phone and not help at all to a solution. If anything changes let me know glad to help if possible.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Arjindia:
I tried every possible method zergs didnt worked on my 2.3.6 version 55.13.22 atrix 2...i want my root back plzzz guys help me m new here...plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz i cant replace my device either as m in india as u knw...
[Motorola Atrix 2] JRW 28:
Have you tried this Arjindia

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19916762&postcount=194

also please use the root thread and not this one for the problems with root
[Motorola Atrix 2] holeshot77:
So I am trying to read through this. I don't see a definate way to Root. Which process. Everything in this thread is here and there. Hard to depict which way is the correct way. Needs a stickie that shows the current way to root or something and stay updated with it and locked.

Can someone show me the page or thread that has step by step way to root if I have an untouched Atrix 2 with system version 55.11.16..MB865.ATT.en.US At this point I am just plain confused.

Thank you.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Try these to ROOT your phone, you will need to go the thread below.... this is for unlocking the bootloader, not getting root access to your phone. WE can better help you get root over there.

Root thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1327741

Post to updated process if the OP above does not work:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19916762&postcount=194
[Motorola Atrix 2] holeshot77:
Thanks Jim. Having one of those days. Worked great.
[Motorola Atrix 2] holeshot77:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1377204

Bootstrap done

Sent from my mAtrix2!!
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Everyone in this thread. Please stop posting threads that are NOT related to unlocking the bootloader, this has been happening too much in here lately.

If you are having an issue with root go Here

For anything else please perform a search, most peoples questions have been answered in the correct places on the Atrix2 board. If your question has not been answered and there is not a thread about what you need then please start a new thread.

We need to keep this thread on track, as all of the people who you see working in this thread have spent quite a lot of their time working in here, so please respect them and ask unrelated questions in the correct threads.
[Motorola Atrix 2] cornflaku:
Had to register an account here to tell you guys thank you so much, your work does not go unappreciated. Doing a great thing here guys. You'll be seeing alot more of me around here now.

Once again, thanks guys. Anything I can do to help just let me know.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Hi, and Welcome!
[Motorola Atrix 2] Nopcodex90:
I guess the same goes for me. I am a former Samsung Rom developer ( vibrant , SGS2 , infuse 4g ) switched over the Atrix2. I have a tremendous amount of experience with software developing , let me know where I can lend a hand. When I catch up to speed, I am sure there will be more input.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Hi and Welcome, I am sure we will get to know each other very well, as I am also working on development of this phone, but only the Linux, hardware, bootloader and kernel areas in general.

To catch you up in 30 seconds. we still don't have the bootloader unlocked, but if you want to help us all hit the moto servers, for updates that we can then pick apart for an unlocked bootloader.

If you follow the OP and go through the servers daily we might get something useful. I have found a few things, but not much.

I also have a way to DOS the bootloader, but I have soft bricked 2 devices so far with it... Although I can boot and run a custom kernel until I reboot, which then the device soft bricks...

Have fun.
[Motorola Atrix 2] JRW 28:
Welcome aboard! The more help the merrier ;)

Jim check your pm's in about 15 mins, Im having a hard time getting to a computer other then work and if you can assist me out it will be greatly appreaciated.

Thanks

Ryan
[Motorola Atrix 2] Douchewithaphone:
I installed Cheesecake. Checking servers now. I'll do it everyday, but I kinda doubt I'll hit anything useful that no one else gets to first.

Right now I'm just going through everything you guys have found... Not installing or even downloading any of it.
[Motorola Atrix 2] Calundle:
Just wanted to pop in and say thanks to everyone doing the tedious task of getting this thing unlocked. I'm not much of a developer myself, so I'm kind of on the sidelines. Keep up the good work!
[Motorola Atrix 2] holeshot77:
http://bbs.gfan.com/mobile/android-3256538-1-1.html

http://115.com/file/dn3gifjv

Chinese? Just passing on info. Sorry if already done.

Sent from my mAtrix2!!
[Motorola Atrix 2] moofree:
I think this rom is working within the confines of the locked bootloader. Nothing to see here as far as unlocking goes...
[Motorola Atrix 2] holeshot77:
Hrmm. So they r flashing this rom but still have the locked bootloader? Is that what you're seeing?

Sent from my mAtrix2!!
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yes that is exactly what they are doing. There are files they are using to update the bootloder with the images.

The two bootloaders are called prologue_loader.ldr production_loader.ldr these are what they flash, to install these images. First they flash the prologue_loder.ldr file, then flash "their" images, then flash the production_loader.ldr.... unfortunately neither of these are unlocked.

P.S. the Chinese Rom is "oficially" for the ME865... so play at your own risk, it is most likely very close but very far from ours, just like the Bionic is.

Jim
[Motorola Atrix 2] lilhaiti:
In theory, could what they are doing be used to bring our phones back to stock, if we did something wrong (brick)? I understand there are certain things that we cannot do without unlocking, but if we can atleast flash ROMs then what prevents us from flashing modded ROMs (with stock kernels)?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
No.

Just hold tight there is someone here on this board working to get us an sbf file to restore our phone to stock if needed.

If you see JRW28 go thank him, he is working with several others in the background to get a bunch of good things for this phone....
[Motorola Atrix 2] lilhaiti:
Thanks,

And thanks to everyone that is working to get us to the promise land. I am a linux guy and would love to help, but Android is a little different animal.

I am waiting patiently...if there anything I can do (not being a dev) let me know.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
I am a UNIX and Linux guy professionally and personally, and Android is Linux, not ifs ands or buts about it. That is why I love it... I had an OG Iphone and yeah it is sort of freeBSD, but not really...

Just adb in and have a poke at it... most everything is where you expect it.... bin is in /system, and most of the things you will play with are where you expect them to be, or close to. The only thing with this phone to be careful of, is that both Android and Ubuntu are on it, and you can get confused fast, because /etc/ is really linked to /osh/etc, which is really the Ubuntu install for webtop. ;)

I have been hacking Linux onto devices since the old compaq handhelds in the early 2000's that ran Windows CE, there was a site called handhelds.org, and you could flash Linux on the CE devices, so I have been hacking these embedded devices for quite some time, not that much different than your Linux box...
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
IT-guy since pre-google... linux/FreeBSD nut for almost as long (Slack 1.x was my first, then FBSD 3.x)...throwing my hat in the ring as well.

Has anyone ever thought to try to do x11 forwarding of the Ubuntu instance to a remote host to leverage webtop a bit better beyond being stuck with the hdmi interface? Just curious, especially as I have neither a mini-hdmi cable to fiddle with, nor any sort of dock.

Don't mean to get off-topic, please let me know if there is anything I can do down the road to help you guys out, and thank you for your dedication to our cause. I gave my wife my Inspire w/ nightly 250 when I got the Atrix2 and I'm missing my drag-to-dim!
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yeah I have been working on Linux kernel development since the 0.87 days of the kernel (No I am not a developer, so don't use that word with me.... LOL), so I know what you mean. I used to work for Sun, as their chief architect for the large servers like the e10k and such, so yeah I have been doing this "professionally" for 20 years, and have been in front of a computer since I was 5 and for my age that is a big deal since computers weren't in every home back in the late 70's early 80's....

The issue with X11 forwarding is that you won't get an Xsession until you can connect the phone to some form of a monitor and keyboard & mouse, because the phone boots Ubuntu the first time you connect it.... I got the dock for 49 dollars, so It was not much of kick, and it comes with an HDMI cable.... I have it hooked up to my desktop monitors and the USB over to my desktop Ubuntu box, and I can adb in and even Xvnc into it, but it is not so fast that way. I would recommend getting at least a mini HDMI, and going over and doing these hacks first...

Webtop over HDMI cable, without a dock:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1357600

Getting Full Ubuntu, and your favorite Desktop running:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1375042

P.S. Ubuntu is sort of paused or frozen, and put to sleep when it is disconnected from the dock or HDMI cable.
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
i wonder if that 'pause' is a simple backgrounding of the window manager session or something... and i also wonder if you could somehow fake out that trigger from the hdmi session so you could somehow initiate one without the physical assets. Regardless, without ethernet it would probably (to your point) be too pokey to be too fun. A cool thing to at least attempt...

I've pondered the $50 dock and connection-mod change i've seen, but my wife gets mad at me when I do stuff like that, esp. this close to the holidays...I also don't want to get dinged for a tethering plan (since the consensus seems to be they make you do that regardless of using wireless at home)...
[Motorola Atrix 2] lilhaiti:
I get that part of it, and I play around with the "Linux" part of android. It's the bootloader and dalvik stuff that has me scratching my head at times.

I like ADB mainly because I can use a real keyboard...but I tend to use terminal emulator more often to play around with stuff. I haven't had the balls to step out too far because we don't have any way of really getting back if I piss the phone off.

I too am Linux both professionally and personally. Sometimes I enjoy typing what I want done instead of clicking...
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Since you are familiar with Linux I am sure you are familiar with Java.... The Dalvik is just the JVM cache, that has it's own "physical" memory space, since android is reall mostly written in Java not C... The bootloader is kinda like grub on steroids to an extent, and they have the Atrix 2 locked to only boot their signed kernel....
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
That's a fantastic explanation, and not one I had seen before.

So whats to stop someone from replacing Grub with a different bootloader?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Right now we don't have a way to do that.

That is why we are doing the cheesecake thing to find updates. That is exactly what they did with the OG atrix, they found a Euro or Chinese version of the bootloader that was un-lockable, in an update and then flashed it on their phones. That is exactly what we are looking for here...

Now you know we can't actually load grub or lilo or anything like that, or even another bootloader, because it is tied to the device, but we can flash the bootloader with other versions of itself.
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
another great explanation... we kernel hackers of old appreciate still learning stuff too...especially with a mini-linux box in our pockets...

remember when they were all big and loud and stuff? :)
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yeah my current customer is one of the big 2 wireless companies (not verizon either), and The hardware I am architecting, designing and passing to the Installers is still in that realm.. I just did a project with 12 HP SuperDomes, and another with 6 Sun/Oracle M9000s, so Big loud Iron still exists.

P.S. I get to work from home, so I don't have to hear it anymore, like when I was an admin...
[Motorola Atrix 2] seedoubleyou:
WHAT!?!? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. THE FANS ARE TOO LOUD IN HERE STILL! :) (i mostly rdp and ssh everywhere now too)
[Motorola Atrix 2] bweight:
I, too like to learn. Jim - could you please help me (a non-techhie) understand what "grub" and "lilo" are. I presume all lowercase is a programming convention? It could even be helpful for many of us if someone could run through what a typica boot sequence is and what "grubs" and "bootloaders" and "Kernels" get loaded when and by what. Thanks for any light you could shed.
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
grub stands for GNU GRand Unified Bootloader, and it is the bootloader of choice for most Linux distributions.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB

lilo stands for linux loader, and it is an old school linux bootloader a few distributions still use it though.

The bootloader on the Atrix 2 is an embedded bootloader, and it sets up the environment for the Java VM to load the kernel, and fully boot android.

I was just making a comparison for the unix/linux guys that the bootloader is similar to grub and lilo in that it uncompresses the kernel and loads it into memory, sets up the cache in the case of the android bootloader... it is alittle more complex than how I am actually simplifying it, but I think that is the easiest way to explain...

Ok no more off topic stuff... back to ulocking this bootloader.
[Motorola Atrix 2] bweight:
Thanks for the very understandable response
[Motorola Atrix 2] unsivil_audio:
On a semi-related note, I found this quote on the motorola forums when I was searching the web (where people were asking about the Droid Bionic bootloader being locked or unlocked).

So if I'm reading correctly, they WANT/plan to create a tool to unlock the bootloader for all their devices?
[Motorola Atrix 2] :
I don't want to send this thread off on another tangent, but my understanding of their "bootloader unlock" stance is that it's carrier dependent. So if the carrier (in this case AT&T) says "Lock it!", then they're locking it regardless.
[Motorola Atrix 2] unsivil_audio:
Ah, makes sense, Xoom was Verizon yeah?
[Motorola Atrix 2] jimbridgman:
Yeah the Xoom is Verizon, but it was a first of breed, so they (Motorola) put everything they could into it, including an unlockable bootloader for Developers to hack at it.

The thing though, is that there are unlocked bootloader devices on AT&Ts network already, so I am thinking that is sort of a way for Motorola to take the heat off of them, they are the ONLY manufacturer taking this approch, HTC has a way to unlock thier bootloader from thier website, and the Samsung phones are not locked at all as far as I know.

P.S. I have one for all the reasons listed above, a Xoom that is, and I use my atrix2 wifi tethering with my unlimted data, when not around wifi.
[Motorola Atrix 2] malickie:
HTC does have a website to unlock their devices bootloaders But none of the AT&T versions can be unlocked through there. So as far as I have seen these locked bootloaders are being forces on us by AT&T. I think the only reason Samsung gets away with it is because they could always drop away from doing business with AT&T and still make plenty of money.
[Motorola Atrix 2] samcripp:
i officially came here to see if you guys where actively searching for a bootloader unlocked, as yesterday night i had the idea of making an app to aid in the search for moto phones, and then i stumbled on this thread, very ncie, and great effort guys. let me know the irc you guys are using so i can join yall in there, i currently do not have n atrix 2, but i will help with whatever is possible.
[Motorola Atrix 2] tylercarter:
I check this thread a lot. The tension is building. Haha :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TwinsFan:
Clockwork Mod Recovery still can't, and never has been able to clear the Dalvik cache. Why are some ROM developers still telling me to do this? I came from the Evo where Amon-Ra recovery could actually do this, but Clockwork can't/doesn't. And before you comment about going into Advanced settings in Clockwork, I know the option is there...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
Did you bring your proof?

Maybe wipe it in recovry then reboot recovery, pull dalvik file via adb and look inside...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iBustCh3rries:
Agreed, just saying that it doesnt clear dalvik without proof doesn't make it true statement friend...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TwinsFan:
In Amon-Ra with my Evo, it took 10-15 seconds to clear Dalvik. In CMR with the E4GT, it's instant, which is the same as it was with CMR on the EVO. Also I read when I was still with the EVO that CMR didn't clear Dalvik, only Amon-Ra would..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TwinsFan:
Thanks, but I don't use Windows anymore, and I'm not about to dual boot on my Macbook. Honestly, people out there still use Microsoft?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
If you had a iphone to match you wouldnt have to worry about a dalvik cache ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iBustCh3rries:
Pretty sure windows is still the most used OS in the world...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
+1

10 char
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Alex1x:
I think what he means is that Windows days are limited and Android/iOS is or will be the dominant factor. And I agree that microsoft is cr*ap.

3 PC's all had to be restored (reinstalled windows) within 1-2 years and my 1 iMac is still running like a champ since 2009...

Phone Powered by: Android

Desktop/Laptop Powered by: Mac

Console Powered by: PS3

Productivity Powered by: Google

Microsoft is more obsolete to me, may the best tech win :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
now i agree with the second part as long as there is a slash, but i think he even meant that when comparing ios to android that ios wins in a landslide, which is garbage (lets not even begin to talk about how apples copies things from other os years later and THEN market it as if its a new invention/idea/technique,like the pull down notifications)

but what you mean windows days are limited? you talking about windows pc? windows is on more than 85% of computers, with apple at the bottom of the barrel, so how can that be that windows days are numbered?

if you talking about windows mobile, then yeah, although i'd choose windows 7 mobile over apple ios as well
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chris41g:
How did this dumbass thread turn into microsoft vs apple?

If you think it doesn't clear dalvik, and then test it... The have adb for osx, otherwise you are just talking ****..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Alex1x:
I'm talking about microsoft windows pc/desktop/laptops:

With quadcore phones releasing next year, heavy applications making their way onto our phones, why buy a desktop? Just buy a wireless mouse/keyboard and hdmi cable, connect to your 100inch HDTV and get your work done, unplug and carry your "computer" in your pocket... By limited days I mean the future won't be stuck on a desk somewhere rather in your pocket dominated by Android and iOS... Yeah? No?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LordFan21:
You cant compare a smartphone CPU to a desktop CPU by cores or clockspeed. ARM chips use a completely different architecture and intstruction set than Intel/AMD cpus. If you tried to benchmark a kal-el chip against a similarly clocked Intel chip you will see massive differences. We are years from smartphones being comparable in power to todays desktops.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Alex1x:
I'm not getting into a debate, only expressing my opinion. I'll tell you from personal experience of myself and friends... Since iOS and Android, our use of desktop computing has been reduced by 80%... Tech power houses are after your pocket in your pocket...

Say you do buy another pc between 1-2 years from now, what do you plan to use it for (except for producing the next Matrix movie)?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Pheno.menon:
Guys, he's just trolling you. No one could possibly be as dumb as TwinsFan.. Lol

Transmission sent from a Galaxy S II with XDA Premium
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] musclehead84:
Lol agreed. I have a doctorate degree as well. Lol.

Sent From My Evo Killer!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
right now the avg smartphone is about 4inches or so,with no keyboard

thats no where near being able to replace a full sized monitor with full size keyboard nor the matching power

what you saying could happen, but its like light years away

with phones u dont really compute, u just run lil apps

desktops run real programs and use real power

people are not finding the cure for cancer and aids via an iPhone
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
No, but the iphone can cure the fear of flying!

source ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] KCRic:
After reading all your posts in this thread I've came to the conclusion that you're a noob trying to sound smart - or just a troll.

A BA in computer science? Great. So you know about what? How many computer systems do you know about? How many OS's? How many instruction sets do you know how to code for? What's the difference in Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge? Is multicore more efficient that single core? What does the *Hz rating actually account for in processor specs? What's the most important factor in that?

You know jack sh*t buddy. Because if you did then you'd know the Dalvik Cache is visible to the user. You can manually delete it with a terminal interface, Root Explorer, or anything else. Also viewing it allows you to verify that it's been cleared.

Now go enjoy your B.S..... I mean BA degree. By the way, you didn't major in ANY scientific field or you truly would have a BS - not a BA which majors in humanitarian studies like history and literature.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Yay 4 Juggs:
it's great to see you're not letting your intellect get in the way of your ignorance... the op stated that cwm does not wipe dalvik cache and he is 100% correct...produces an unknown path error...regardless of whether it can be done manually the thread is about the ability to wipe in recovery which cannot be done and can be proven by using root explorer to navigate to the dv folder and see that it's full.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] SayWhat10:
so all this time where the dev's of Roms say for us to wipe dalvik cache in recovery, it doesnt work, at all?

on the evo when wiped dalvik i never got the "unknown path" error

but i coulda sworn other folks said on these roms the path error is because the dalvik has been moved? i dont write roms so not sure

would love for others to chime in on the fact that all this time we've been wiping dalvik,and its doing nothing....