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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] N8ter:
The galaxy nexus has a 720p SAMOLED HD screen and does 1080p video. All android high end phones are being release with at least qHD screens these days. No LTE for windows phone. Who wants to have a contract on a no LTE phone on the dawn of 2012?

Dual core processors offer better performance and future proofness. Those old SOCs they're using have favorably worse GPUs in them, as well. Apple introduced the first dual core CPU In A smartphone. WP7 answers with the top SoC from... Late 2010. Seriously?

People complain all the time about the processing power of WP7 phones. Look at the marketplace and *****ing about lagging and freezing in games. Tons of apps still lag as well, even with the Mango changes to the list control. Prolly gonna upload a video to YouTube soon to show this.

Inertial scrolling seems half broke in WP7 as well. MA made some odd and terrible UI changes in Mango, like the browser changes.

There is no excuse for selling phones with old as **** hardware for those prices. Every WP7 phone is midranges by today's standards.

Then there is the terrible storage limitations and lack of SD Card support.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
I'm all for it, but wait till its more efficient and cost effective to produce..$300+ on contract...seriously..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] herzzreh:
Valid points, but... why do people always forget that the OS is less than a year old?

Have you used Android when it just came out? It sucked major donkey balls and was a total BB rip-off. Thank The Deity of the Week that Apple came out with what they came out and made Android what it is today.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] N8ter:
No one forgot. We are just less forgiving because they had years to watch ios and android and figure out what people wanted. They still failed to deliver. I bought my HD7 because I wanted to ditch Android and this phone has done nothing but make me use the Android phone more. If I'm at my house I always have a choice of three platforms to use and I reach for the phone least. If I didn't like it I wouldn't have bought it , so the issue is that it has nothing to offer compared to competing platforms. Factorably less, even.

WP7 has been on the market a year. It was probably in development for 2 years.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] djxedxd:
Ok my turn :) ill probably get flamed for this but I miss my Nokia ngage. It did everything all these phones did 10 years ago ... If technology was what it is today back then it would be supreme. I hacked that sucker the first week I had it and was playing mame games right on it which is a feat for even nowadays phones with there fast processors to achieve smoothly . I miss the control pad the most for games would make our smartphones of today much more enjoyable. But ya Nokia had it pegged back then and somehow dropped the ball .
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MikiOCN:
Your unnecessarily rude attitude is not going to give your posts any special credibility here. I'm new here, but I'm not new to forum etiquette.

I wasn't complaining at all about OEM's "pushing the envelope"... so I'm not sure what you base that comment on. Feel free to quote exactly where I made that complaint. We'll be waiting.

I never even made a comment about Android's internal specs being a problem. I'm not even sure where that was picked up.

Not entirely sure, I'm sure some won't have a problem. HSPA+ is plenty fast for me, personally. You're right about dual core CPU's offering better performance, for Android devices. From my understanding, the necessity for Windows Phone devices isn't there.

Games lag? Hm, well maybe so. I think that's an issue with the development of the game, don't you? I mean, does the phone lag switching between screens/menus, etc? I haven't read any reviews making complaints about Windows Phone 7 "lagging".. ever. Maybe you can point me to a source? I'm not disagreeing with you here, just trying to get a better understanding.

Here's an interesting read.

I could be wrong though, so I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to point to some reputable source to back up any claims you have toward poor performing Windows Phone devices.

Lack of SD card has never been an issue imo, but I can understand it being one for some..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] orb3000:
Warning

Please stay on topic and show some respect amongst members, otherwise thread may be locked
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] longthanh:
Samsung is now the best
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] negrobembon:
Dude, buy xperia play
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lqaddict:
Sad excuse. You do not enter competitive technology market in 2010 to compete with 2007 technology.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Kailkti:
Or it could be the stupid adreno 200 on it. I don't see why it should be the game development's fault if we take into account z33 words of wp7 offering a better and more intuitive sdk.

$1 gets you a reply
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Do you not understand how technology works? Just because something works just fine doesn't mean you don't improve it. Tv worked just fine 10 years ago...give me my HD any day. CD's were wonderful...who uses those anymore? Just because Nokia and WP7 "works" does not mean they should lay stagnant in there technology department.

And you are right, WP7 performs just fine. But if I wanted a simple phone that just "worked", I would buy an Iphone. And I am going to say it again. I really don't understand why people are coming to a development forum with this argument. We are obviously here because the hacking, tweaking and modding of cell phones interest us.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] N8ter:
Performance suffers because the hardware us weak. WP is smooth because unlike stackes android hone screens with Widgets economy NM you can have like 7 of them it is chromeless and the UI emphasizes large type faces and text instead of graphical elements. All the phones are wvga as well, when most high end android eevices have moved to qHD and soon 720p.

Games simply show the weakness in the hardware.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] herzzreh:
But Android did the same in 2007 or 2008, whever they first came out. The G1 sucked major, MAJOR balls compared to what was available then. Hell, Apple entered with ca. 2004 technology and look at where they're now (although they're marketing geniuses).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
The first ios wasn't much better than the first android.

If you picked up ios 1 or whatever today you would say the same you're saying about the g1..

Just like those "awesome graphics" our old xbox had..its all relative to when you were actually using it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
hmmm... I don't know if I agree with your idea that iOS is better, my un-jailbroken iPod touch 4G lags all the time and completely randomly as well, even when i close all the running apps like fb and such... I've even got 10GB free space on it... and my android won't really lag if i install the right scripts and don't be ruthless to it ;)

so far, my only hate on android is in the marketplace, apple's market place is better by far, for example it would be nice if the android market could recognize my custom rom or personal tweaks I've made and give me the 'this app isn't compatible with your device' accordingly... and by the way, I can't install CM7 on my phone, because there is none YET... T_T

but must agree that samsung is clearly being really lazy with the android project, my galaxy 3 has a very good GPU but it wont function properly because it has a **** driver :(

anyways im bored of talking see ya later
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] MikiOCN:
I understand your point of view, and I'm not against improving new technology. I guess I was looking at it this way: If WP7 performs well, why bother draining potential battery for a things it doesn't need?

I own an unlocked Nexus S, as do many others here. It's not all the great in terms of specs, yet it can be hacked/tweaked/modded (the whole point of this forum). So, when you ask me why I'm here, it might not be exactly the same reason you're here, but it's just as relevant to what this site is about.

If we were on a performance enthusiast website, I'd have nothing to say. lol

Ah, well if that's true, then I can understand the need for an upgrade in hardware. I was just under the impression that everything performed great. I'm glad I learned this because I have considered making WP7 my next device. :p

Hm, my iPhone 4 never gave me any majour issues, but no product will be perfect (from my own experience having owned many phones).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] majin_vegeta:
Now I'm new to android, had my htc desire less then a year now. Ive come from using nokias and sony ericssons (pre-android). I don't miss a thing, I use phones quite heavily, especially internet and watching videos, don't really use cameras, now under heavy usage my previous phones last the same as my current desire charging up the phone at the end of the day. And id say I use my current phone more then I've ever really used any other phone caue I can do so much more with it. Now moving onto cameras I think sony ericsson has the best quality camera out throughout the industry, cause they do use sony hardware in their cameras. Compare the satio (u10i) with nokias 12mega pixel camera n8 I believe it was. The thing is you need to modify android to work best for you, kernel, rom, scripts, oc/uv and so on. And yes there is usually a huge battery drain with most android phones but that's mainly the OS and other software (except when using gps), cause nobody uses every bit of hardware in a phone at the same time. And google are always looking at ways to make androind more battery efficient. Froyo to gingerbread is better on battery life, and ice cream sandwich will be better. And with windows phones had a bad experience so I hate them. And almost everyone in the house has iphones and there good phones but too restricted, and I've never been a fan of iphones from day 1 plus I get better signal then my dad and sisters. :-)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] scoobysnacks:
lol what se is the worst...

Timescape is horrid, and the x10 was the laggiest piece of crap I've ever owned.

Se has the worst UI in android imo, that huge dock on the arc looks stupid.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
you can change the launcher anytime. i personnaly recommend nemus or regina launcher. the wp7 launcher is good aswell.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] scoobysnacks:
oh I know I just came from android, I like android as well...

I'm just laughing at him saying SEs ui was good lol
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] negrobembon:
It IS good, i always get the ocasional, wow how did make ur phone look like that even the atendants from my carrier love it( true story, android is pretty new here, and people dont really know the full extend their phone)

Thats why the x10 costs 500$ and sgs2 599$
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] scoobysnacks:
I don't agree, and going by sales, neither do most consumers...

the se ui is stupid. Timescape is memory hungry and a huge waste of time...

Arc's ui looks stupid with the huge dock..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] negrobembon:
Dude i seriously hope u dont own ANY SE phone, cause with the amount of LOVE u have for them u would live in constant dissapointment

U better have a samsung or htc(they are better in the end, just not as good looking)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] om.thelostone:
Symbian and Nokia (& all that...) were phones

Or a hybrid of phones & smart gadgets

We are now advancing to Smartphones

Its a natural tendency to grow .. & then reach culmination point

You r comparing Nokia's/Symbian's generation's culmination points with today's embryo

We hav entered a new phase of what is known as mobile

The OSs are developing at an exponential rate as compared to any other generation's and they are gaining much advanced AI

Remember th days where where phones like N91 were gadgets from Heaven

No push technologies !!

& TTS was something out of reach

Simple things like editing ringtone on th fone itself were great things

The fones' software was dumb

Still we gave these fones due respect

Yet these fones gained a level of stability in the hardware, & software had reached its peak

Give some time to Android & you will definitely have better

Btw, u can try with Samsung series of Android phones

They definitely have good hardware & battery, unless u install a poorly written app that consumes it all
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] om.thelostone:
Everyone has choices

Its very difficult to create something that pleases a tech savvy geek the same way it pleases her girlfriend

It becomes more difficult when companies like Samsung Sony HTC etc. understand this but are unable to do something to please u, only becoz their most kaboom output cannot be released since their rival patented it or has something similar already released which ur manufacturer can't copy

He he
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
well i know se's launcher and interface isn't marvellous, but i really liked the new sony ericsson ray ui... its got the gingerbread so there's not much arguing that it looks real nice... but i still dont think the old se launcher is bad, i used it on my galaxy 3 (which has a slightly bigger screen than the x10mini) and i enjoyed it, some good animations and things, but i like lpp, wp7 luancher and regina launcher spb 3d etc, these are still wayyyyyyyyy better :D

i guess you get only what you pay for, right? :D

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google sony ericsson experia nozumi. you will be surprised... if i remember correctly, it has the epic STCOCK QUADRANT SCORE of 2000+... or maybe 1500+... but still thats pretty impressive :P

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the good thing about android is that it doesnt matter what the stock phone you get is, you can always change your phone to do EXACTLY what you want... well, almost exactly :) so you can have a samsung with htc ui or the otherway around, and you can even change everything in the phone and make it all go better :) i <3 android ^_^
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] om.thelostone:
That's what I call "Open" & not jst open source
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Trolling and pointing out facts are a far cry from each other.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mb3ndel:
It all depends on your needs and comfort of users:)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Pluto:
Word, imo it's even above WP7.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] wrick01:
I will be looking into those new nokias for the wife...

They look amazing, and build quality is nokia's forte...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
point not valid

first: you probably dont know about setcpu? you can put that on ondemand or conservative or whatever and that gives your battery a long time to be alive :D

second: nokia just generally sucks :P

third: if you want good camera, why in the world of zeus (LOL) are you buying HTC/Samsung? for great cameras people go for the SE.... sony ericsson for those who dont know :P

fourth: agreed the aluminium sounds pretty sick but i still think samsung has better reception than nokia... even SE has better reception... (i used an SE model cant remember the model name but anyways in the london underground in the victoria line that is, to talk the victoria line goes pretty deep underground man...) and im comparing to the nokia N8 or the one with the HDMI connection on the top of it

fifth:for the aluminium casing, i must agree that the casing aint all that bad but you cant still buy yourself a protective case if you have an android and your good to go

sixth: the touch screen man... the N8 touch screen sucks... well at least i think so... compare to samsung SII touch screen for example... wow it is genuinely sh**...

seventh: must agree that symbian is a quite neat OS but it can never even come close to android... neither can windows phone 7 or 8 or any other because i think the new nokia is win phone now or something? :P

this is why nokia fails... thanks me if you agree or find interesting men i would appreciate it :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] BravoMotorola:
No offence but I've owned a Nokia n8 and it sucked. Build quality was fine but the screen gets scratched so easily. It gets covered from just the first week of use. The camera is decent but still not that good. The WORST part, is Symbian. The user interface on that phone is terrible. Extremely terrible. It makes it very frustraiting to use...just simple settings are hidden, not there, or just really weird. Just try to find out how to turn it on airplane mode for example. There is no airplane mode but you can make the signal turn off by using some really weird setting...I can't remember. Anyways, I had the worst expierence with this phone than I have had with any other phone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Regardless of these programs, MeeGo's battery management is much, much better. Nokia now uses windows phone and MeeGo though, both of which use infinitely better power management and are much smoother.

On what account? One of many arguments you have that hold no water here.

Oh yeah, what's the last phone most people cared about from them? The x10. Their software is garbage and their hardware is thoroughly underwhelming. Not to mention, I don't want to have to deal with the lag and miss the moment when using my camera.

This thread has nothing to do with the Symbian N8, this is regarding modern devices. It's been some time since Nokia ditched Symbian. They use, primarily, windows phone 7, and on occasion MeeGo now.

Well, my phone has many flaws and gets broken easily, but if you tweak it like crazy and put a case on it is almost as good as yours. What a philosophy, huh?

Of course the N8 touch screen sucks, most of Symbian's later iterations suck. It had more to do with the OS than the hardware though. The touch screen on both the N9 and the Lumia series are outstanding.

You prove, yet again, that you know nothing about any other OS.

Fishing for 'thanks' with fanboyism. How adorable.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] UlvWolf:
Battery life on Android Devices can be improved with the use of certain apps and conserving reosurces.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
I thanked you just to spite the op lol
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Pluto:
That's a thank-worthy comment.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
He was talking about the exterior body of the phone and protecting it with a case... so where did all that come from? Haha. I swear, oftentimes Android hate just spews from you, and you don't even know why. :p

I guess this means that everyone that uses a protective case, by definition, also realizes that there phone has many flaws, breaks easily, and not-quite-as-good-as WP7. Very interesting. There are no WP7 cases then? :p

Getting thanked for trolling. How adorable, z33! :rolleyes:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
I'm still trying to find flaws in my phone...its fast, makes calls, and sends texts.

Maybe your choice of Android phones just sucks, maybe you just don't like Android. Idk.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Maybe I just want something faster, smoother, and built on good software. Android feels like windows 95 to me. Wp7 feels like the first new thing to enter the market in some time. I challenge you to damage the n9 in normal day to day use. Aside from the metal around the camera is near impossible to damage. I'll never consider the crap HTC or Samsung releases to be wp7. They've had so many issues on both android and wp7 that I won't touch them.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
The moment Samsung and HTC made phones like Nokia, they would be reporting billions in quarterly loss and would be firing thousands of employees. Used N8, was too horrible to even start comparing.

Never saw a N9 or their WP phones. As for so-called camera quality, check this:

http://shootspeak.com/2011/10/07/2-camera-shots-comparison-–-nokia-n9-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2/

Even Nokia fans admit that N9 camera is bad compared to GS2 even though the hardware specs of the lens is better.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
My phone flies..I never ever have any lag...what phone are you saying lags? Evo? No...Evo 3d? No....thunderbolt, incredible, incredible 2? No, no, no. Nexus 1, S? No.

Hmmmmmmmmm
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
all of the above, of course until you've used something better you won't see it. Ignorance is bliss.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
Hahaha man you are funny...what's life with tiles and no wallpaper like?

I have no delay whatsoever when I do anything..how is that ignorance?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] xaccers:
Zee has previously stated that Android is too complex for him which is one of the reasons why he likes the simplicity of WP7 where it doesn't give you any choices.

Really we shouldn't mock the afflicted, but it is fun ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
I'm still waiting to see this quote you've fabricated. Life with tiles is great, how's life with lag?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Pluto:
That's the reason I ain't gettin' a Windows Phone 7 no matter how smoother it is, I mean, I like complexity .. I can't live with a phone that I'm not able to customize, hack, and change its look everyday.

Thank god for Ice Cream Sandwich, which apparently combines them both.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
When will you get it z33? You cannot bring the lag fight to a development forum. You might be able to get away with it on some at&t or t-mobile forum, but all the phones here are lag free. I know it is a little complex for you to understand...but do some research and reading and you might get it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
Maybe Nokia needs to be like HTC...as HTC just became the most bought phone brand..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
How many times do I have to say I don't have lag? Apparently these other don't either as they either thank my posts, or reply with the same answer. Maybe if you spent a little Money on a good android phone...not a free one from t mobile...you wouldn't experience lag...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
enjoy your accidental thanks. Either way, your phones aren't lag free. Android simply isnt focused on that factor. It's focused on a lot of things that make it a great OS, but trying to sell it on user experience just isnt realistic opposed to the competition.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
Even 100% stock my phone never had lag. HTC made a great phone.