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[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
What phone r u getting? Or is ur phone confirmed for ics? Im changing in january and im thinking arc or arc
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
hmm arc or arc ? that's a tough one
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
lol..maybe he meant arc or arc s..:D
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Their are just kernel changes in which OC 1.4 Ghz and usb on the go feature which a Doom have already done with 2.0 Ghz and all his kernel features like governess,etc.

And a bit camera's software feature which have been ported to arc...

That's not tweak but kernel development
[XPERIA X10 General] psoferreira:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xperia-x10-gets-ics-port/

Lets keep our fingers cross :)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
actually the processor is factory clocked higher.

They are just precision processors, meaning their limits are tested more thoroughly. Still the same processor though..

Much like precision resistors in electronics.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Yeah, the Arc S' CPU is running at higher speed actually not overclock the Arc. No company overclocks phone CPU. Also like Blackwatch, I hate the TouchWiz UI, so ugly with nothing special, the screen is not good like SE phone although they use AMOLED, Super AMOLED or WTF they are going to use. It is not as good as SE screen. Hehe, I don't have any idea about dual core, triple core, quad core... :D now.so much people want them not me. A phone with single core us good for me now. I don't have enough money to follow SS WTF is SG Note :d big screen with small pocket. Damn it.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
no you are missing my point..

Same processor, just pre overclocked in the factory.

you can not like it all you like, but technology will keep progressing regardless of your opinion of it
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
Although the touchwiz ui could look better, i know a lot of galaxy users, and none of them keep the phone as it is compared to xperia users (looks wise)
[XPERIA X10 General] -- X10B --:
U mad bro?
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
No man, it's my opinion. Look at your avatar. YOU'RE MAD HUH DUDE?
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Seriously 8255T is just an overclocked version of 8255, so it's OC'd by Qualcomm, not SE

As a matter of fact, a lot of computer parts comes pre-overclocked eg.GPU.
[XPERIA X10 General] wendac:
I dont expect that and i think with ICS it will be very slow
[XPERIA X10 General] ifn_ace:
well if it's a rumor, I wish it gonna be happen...
[XPERIA X10 General] en4bz:
Not gonna happen, no chance. Sony said this was the end of the line and I believe them. X10 has been succeeded by arc so its now old tech now, there gonna focus on there new line up now.
[XPERIA X10 General] rondellborel:
do you know there is ics running on the g1...the very first android phone with andreno 130 gpu, i think that if that phone can run ics then any other android can run it as well
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
It can run it, but it's fookin' slow... I see it more as a "proof of concept" than an actual usable rom.

It's like running Windows 7 on a 286 it can be done, but who would do such a thing?

I think the X10 developers at Sony Ericsson has packed their bags and moved on to developing on the 2011 & 2012 line of devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] paffeu:
Have notice any differences in speed running on An1.6, An2.1 and An2.3 on your device? I'm not sure. Possibilities of those versions still growth. And your phone is not slower. It is possible - it faster.

I don't want to say on ics it will be still faster, but it shouldn't be specially slower.
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
No hardware ACCELERATION implemented yet... :p

So it will be slow.

Once the right GPU drivers are in place expect much better results.

If you ask me X10 SE developers should have packed their bags the day they had the idea for the x10.
[XPERIA X10 General] tomh235:
G1 will not get a hardware accelerated build of ICS, it's gpu is old an does not have the right level of 2d acceleration support, it is one of the main reasons that google have taken so long to add hardware acceleration to android (apparently) as many devices still use similar chips.

X10 on the other hand has greater 2d acceleration support and should see a properly accelerated ICS build (fingers crossed).

Go Devs!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Well the 2D acceleration is quite slow on X10, you'll get about 15 fps on this specific test in quadrant. And yes I know that quadrant is ****, but the 2D test is quite accurate.

Still, it should be sufficient to accelerate ICS.
[XPERIA X10 General] en4bz:
Official from Sony ->>> http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/11/15/ice-cream-sandwich-for-sony-ericsson-2011-xperia%E2%84%A2-portfolio/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sonyericsson%2Fproducts+%28Product+Blog%29 Says 2011 Lineup ONLY!
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
x10's 2d FPS goes to 54 after uncap

the 3d fps is poor
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
This is old news, pal. That's why it is a [RUMOR] and not a [FACT]. Still my old an rock solid ( ;) ) argument: They also said there won't be any updates after 2.1 Eclair. And now we're rocking official 2.3.3 Gingerbread.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Hmm, I'm not sure that FPS2D is really hardware hungry, it's more to see if your phone is uncapped. The Quadrant 2D benchmark (it's some version of the Mandelbrot set if I remember right?) is more of a stress test, and here X10 goes to 15 fps. But I admit, I have no clue which one is more accurate to compare to the ICS UI. And to make sure there are no misunderstandings: I agree that X10 should be fully capable of running ICS, including HW acceleration ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
I m not taking about ICS and all

But i m talking about the fps

2d comes after uncap upto 54(FPS2d app) and 3d comes to 27(neocore app)
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I know, what I said is that the FPS2d framerate test isn't hardware hungry, it'll only show you if your phone is capped by purpose (like X10 is on stock ROM) or if it is uncapped. So far our X10 is able to run a dot and a few lines on the screen at 54 fps. Not very demanding, right? ;) Quadrant 2D benchmark is more hardware hungry and the X10 sucks at it. Maybe 2D acceleration is completely turned off for the X10 and both benchmarks are running on the CPU only or I don't know what's the problem. 3D is quite well on the X10 though :)
[XPERIA X10 General] frvrjak:
root and flash!

i am tired of these official update(s). SE X10 is old but it can also be root-ed for better performance! for the record, i waited months for the 2.3.3, just to find out that it wasn't worth it. go go, be a superuser! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] nekkidtruth:
Then you were doing it wrong. No idea what on earth you were using, by all of the 2.2+ based ROMs (including stock) made an enormous difference. The phone was leaps and bounds better than it was when it was released.
[XPERIA X10 General] pernicus:
proof is in the pudding.
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
I think he meant that official 2.3.3 wasn't worth it, but rooting and flashing tweaks/custom roms are much better than official updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Without official 2.3.3, the custom ROMs we have today would only exist in our imagination, so it's safe to say that it was totally worth it.

And you need to be in complete denial not to acknowledge that in stock firmwares EVERYTHING works as it should, whereas in custom ROMs there's always "this and that" that doesn't work, and no matter how minor those things could be, the fact remains.
[XPERIA X10 General] donjamal:
as far as i remember, we had the music skips in official gb, didn't we? ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] kontur:
Devs please close this thread as it only gets users confused and we do not get official ICS. So what´s the point of it ?
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
And we were not alone too!

Glitches in music playback on GB have been reported by Samsung and LG users too. This indicates that it's a more general problem.

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[XPERIA X10 General] machrio:
close this!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I agree. Didn't hear anything new so i guess we can close this thread. I apologize for wrong info.
[XPERIA X10 General] nickfee:
in italy we say " tra il dire e il fare c'è di mezzo il mare" that means between saying and doing there's an ocean. I think also like several users that the X10 is an old but fully worked device. But give support to all devices is impossible and the development of this devices is running every day. So i think that SE won't release the new update, focalizing the research to new devices.

NickFee
[XPERIA X10 General] DiKeJ:
Agreed with person before - we won't get ICS official from SE - but cooked of course, why not :P. Close this thread and from by window :P.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Just to clarify, I didn't make that up, why would I? And the guy who sent me that PM also announced the Gingerbread update ahead of time. And as we all know we NEVER got Gingerbread, right? ;) Additionally, he knew about SE's dual-core phone Nozomi before it was anywhere on the web. Just search through my posts (although there are quite a lot of em ;)) and you'll see that most of the things this "source" told me turned out to be true. Sorry for that stupid "my source" stuff, but he asked me not to mention his name, and that's what I'll do.

Still, there's a chance they won't release the update, nobody said anything different.

And again, it's your decision if you want to believe this rumor or not. Just don't say I'd make these things up because this is not true.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
if the rumor is true dude the x10 will rock again, the problem is that most of us are moving to other brands/phones let's see if the update or at least the official notice (not like gb one) arrives on time
[XPERIA X10 General] stuu.f:
According to SE UK, X10 will not be getting anymore updates.

http://www.themobileindian.com/news/3513_Sony-Xperia-X10-will-get-no-more-upgrades
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Well, I'll move to the galaxy nexus, even if the x10 will get the update. But i'll still play around with it and it would be awesome to see ics on it. Due to rachael's great history i feel kinda emotional to leave her :/ We had a lot of fun. :)

According to SE worldwide, we shouldn't get any update at all after 2.1 ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
1+
[XPERIA X10 General] Pawnty:
Oh I'm not saying you made it up, I'm just commenting on rumors in general :P Everyone should already know this but take rumors with a grain of salt until something official is stated.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Agreed if we listened to all the rumours, x10 would have gotten bootloader unlocked by se, would have 16 mill colours, true multitouch, etc...
[XPERIA X10 General] yugiyao:
let's dream then...wish it b'come true
[XPERIA X10 General] javagreen:
The X10i will even get WP 8, or iOS 6, or BBX, or Meego 2.

It's just a rumor, so there ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Andreson01:
Well, "where smoke fire"
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
I have inside info that X10 will be updated to ICS with Multitouch, 16m colors & unlocked bootloader

update: No multitouch but they really wanted to bring it but faced some ISSUES but still 16m & unlocked bootloader, awesome right?

update 2: No 16m nor unlocked bootloader as well but they wanted to give us those but had some ISSUES

update3: SE confirms no ICS for X10 because the gpu can't handle it

update4: SE confirms get the hell out of here or you'll be forced to downgrade to 2.1

Just joking qwer23 , nothing against you, thanks for sharing ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Hahaha.. Nice one riginal.
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
or-riginal
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
:D :D

Hey, I'm an incurable optimist! Don't destroy my illusions, will you?

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] Mayazcherquoi:
It is clearly stated in both the title and the response that it is a rumour.

Stop making those stupid and unlaughable "jokes". Discuss the topic and stop basing S(E). What would an upgrade to ICS mean for the X10 and its' community, as-well as Sony (Ericsson) as a company?
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Thx mate :D

Well, for the X10, it would mean that due to available drivers, all ICS custom ROMs would be fully functional and that the official CyanogenMod 8/9 (the ICS one, don't know what it'll be) will be much easier to fully port to our device.

And maybe, just maybe another kernel? But I don't think so after they released 2.3.3 on a modified 2.6.29 kernel.

I couldn't care less about the official ROM, but it would be great for the devs.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Discuss what exactly? it's a rumour from an unknown source posted in general section so joking about it can be a part of discussion and we will joke about it as long as & as much as we want, Don't like it don't read it & stop playing the mature smart-arse here
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
Thread re opened. no idea why it was closed whoever closed it should have left a reason
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Well that is not always the case.

Look at the HTC desire, it never had official GB from HTC, but they have 2.6.35 kernels and official CM support (read: custom roms support).

So it's not something like 'this phone gets xxx firmware => phone gets aftermarket rom support'.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
I think we can hope man, not just pessimistic. So you guys should not shout here that you are sure about anything like we will not have any more update or something like rumor is rubbish. Just hope, or not, you should buy new phone and you will also shout like that when it gets older. Nothing can stop us hoping, dreaming, just you don't wanna hope.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Yes sure you can hope, but facts are facts. ICS is just announced right after the 18-month-(mandatory)-update-support has ended for the X10. Which means SE is not obliged to give us ICS (not saying there's no chance, but very very slim, as no company would want to waste their money to support an obsolete product).

However since we're part of the CM family now, we can still get the latest aftermarket updates (eg. CM), as I argued before in the HTC Desire case.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Reality Hits u Hard Bro
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I know that, but X10 used to make a lot more problems than other phones all the time. SE kind of used non-standard libs and stuff that make porting very hard. So any official files are coming in handy for development.

btw. Pilot, thx for reopening. I hope people can keep the discussion as it is right now, free of flaming and hate posts.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
Official CM is almost done, you'll notice it if you had used nightlies, no bugs at all =D

So I think the FXP team can use those sources to port new kernels and roms in the near future.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
So how about people don't wanna unlock bootloader? I know there are lots of people still lock cause they found no more features when unlocked. Just custom ROM required unlocked bootloader with no more special MIUI, CM7... There are people want to use ROM with locked bootloader man. And ICS is sweet right lol. WE CAN HOPE AND WAIT CAUSE WE LOSE NO THING IF WE WAIT RIGHT?
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
True. However, it's also true that SE has the right not to give us ICS since that 18-month period has already gone (and SE released X10 before they even joined open handset alliance, so at that time they also had the right to make us stay at 1.6).

Remember, unlocking your bootloader may not give you new features, but it does give us hope that a newer version of android can be ported on our X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Depends on your definition of feature, When you don't consider Doomlord's bootmanager & faster boot-up & more stability features then I don't know what else you call feature?, Perhaps multiouch or WP7 port, sorry but not gonna happen

Of course it's your phone & your choice whether you want to unlock the bl or not, although I can't find a single reason why you wouldn't when it's done in less than one minute & it's pretty safe, But you can't expect ICS from SE or blaming them for not upgrading the phone, and seriously it's highly unlikely it'll happen, There is one thing not being pessimistic & another thing being over-optimistic & dreamy
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Yes I know, I only told that we can hope. About bootloader, ya I know that we have boot manager here but you said wrong thing that it is safe for sure. You won't know that some day you will brick your phone. Who know that? Just an explanation. My choice, I will still lock bootloader and see what will come in future then will unlock. No need to do it so fast lol
[XPERIA X10 General] Flo95:
How many times has Sony Ericsson to tell it?

X10 won't get updates anymore...
[XPERIA X10 General] Stu|:
Off topic....

1 reason to still have a locked bootloader.

Sim unlocked via 3rd party.

Back to topic, I'd love to get ICS on my X10. However, I'm more than happy with CM7.1 at the moment.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I know i repeat myself but: how many times did sony tell us that we won't get any updates after 2.1? ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Shall we make an online war for ICS? lol joking man...
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
They changed their mind, because they realised the X10 at that time is still under the update support when gb was released, but this time, I don't think so as ICS is released after the support period ended.
[XPERIA X10 General] Artest113:
who f*** care about stock ICS on X10, in fact, many of us are not using stock GB either, what we really need is XDA Developers!!! our Lords to port custom ICS ROM to our x10
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
That reason for working camera in cm and at lot more bug fixes is coz of gb update
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
It's not going to happen. Don't fool yourself. Even the NEXUS ONE, Google's once-flagship phone and released around the same time as the X10, is not getting it, and you guys are expecting it to be released on the X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
I thought N1 will be getting official ICS?

@Artest or whatever you are called here, if we get ICS officialy, less work for us. Since SE has all the libs, source codes, tools, etc. for X10, they can get the ICS working in no time.

And when we have official support for it, modding the ROM would be a lot easier.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Yes, official drivers, no bug, no complain of custom ROMs like they always do. Then shout I love SE like when GB roll-out

Sent from Xperia X10 Self-modded
[XPERIA X10 General] Artest113:
and I too thought that N1 is getting official ICS, saw it at the headline of something at somewhere, and let's hope we get official ICS, or else, i'll be buying Nexus Prime or SGS2 soon, disappointed on Sony already
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
No, it's wrong when disappointed cause this X10 is really an old phone. If I can decide, I will not update X10 too cause I must continue to create newer product not just support old products. Now you see that Sony sales decline, revenues drop, if we continue to support old phone, we don't know what will happen with our company. Thought that man, we should know that we are lucky when get Gingerbread so complaining about not update old phone is no need.
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
i would agree that we were lucky to get GB update,now, 99% chances that we surerly not gonna get ICS officially on our X10's.Its obvious why company would support their older devices if they got devices like Arc,Play,Neo,Ray..etc!

At the end its all "BUSINESS". Profit matters:cool:!
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Frankly I'm not sure if you can brick X10 with unlocked bootloader or not, but I still think it's safe because I haven't seen a single person here saying he's bricked his phone due to unlocked bootloader

And yes you can hope but if you hope too much & spread false hope it will lead into expectations & at the end disappointment & frustration, A wee bit pessimism (as you put it because I don't call it being pessimistic but realistic) wouldn't hurt as much as being irrationally over-optimistic would

And you keep saying stop bashing SE but who did that here? no one
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
DooM and J had bricked their devices, in the name of development.

But for users, haven't heard anyone who bricked their phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Yeah, I know that, but they were trying to load mtd from mapper module or something, It's not something that will happen to users like us because we won't (can't) try those stuff
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Because they are true when not update old phone man. I'm sure that if you are manager, you will do too, no choice. You must think about new phone not about keep supporting old phone. And SE is too late when realize Android is a good OS. They must move fast now, or they will DIE.
[XPERIA X10 General] Stu|:
We all know that it probably won't happen. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the possibility of it happening.

This is only really being discussed because the amount of times SE has backtracked on their official stance. Without that we probably wouldn't be having so much debate about a rumour.
[XPERIA X10 General] pmmaster:
[YOUTUBE]boeMPSTjo4Q[/YOUTUBE]

this is how an ICS looks like on our x10

only the hardware keys are working atm
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
oh that sentence on my post wasn't complete, have no Idea why it was posted like that, I edited it now, I wanted to say: And you keep saying stop bashing SE but who did that here? no one, I don't think anyone can or will blame SE for not upgrading X10 to ICS, Personally I was just making fun of the rumour & SE's ****ty way of handling X10's software updates in the past & their hilarious statements
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Just review previous post and some guys complained SE. So, let it be. No need to have flame here.
[XPERIA X10 General] tomh235:
Does it even matter if we get it officially? Considering there is a honeycomb port for the g1 I don't think we will have a problem!
[XPERIA X10 General] benzcomp:
I hope this is not a rumor
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Lol actually it is, as the title says. But i hope it turns out to be true :)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I heard a rumor..

Tripnraver is going to come to your house and turn your x10 into an arc.

Only if you bow before him though.
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
Can you make that into a flashable TripNZip?

Sent from my x10, rocking Wolf's 2.3.3 + DooMKernel, overclocked to 1.2 GHz...
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
hahahaha....LMAO!

i cannot stop laughing!
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
May the tripnforce be with you!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
if we get ICS i will stick to sony phones for ever and ever!! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
Its unlikely but i would do the same(i already do it anyways)
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
Sure it matters, official ROM is a big help to get things workiing and port new things.