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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Aridon:
Or can wait with 32 gb of storage for wifi something almost everyone has access to at home and many throughout the day.

I don't mind moving away from sd cards. I wish they offered more storage but the reality is only the very very minority use more than 32 GB and even they could pair down their collection a tad to free up some room if necessary.

No they shouldn't be forced to do that and yes they should have considered adding more storage. Actually i'm sure they did and know exactly how much storage people use in their phones now. For now 32GB is enough for most even hard core users. That is probably why they went with it, saved a couple bucks per unit and knew it would affect very few people.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
You don't need unlimited data to take advantage of the cloud, you just need some WiFi hotspots and the right combination of tools. Ice Cream Sandwich gives you all these tools. Let's say you have home WiFi and access to some hotspots as you move about your day, but also a lot of the time where you just have cellular coverage. You set your phone to automatically sync the stuff you want, make it cache large datasets offline, such as your frequently played music, and use the ICS built-in data usage tool to limit cellular data usage to your monthly limit. Using this combination of tools, the device should be able to limit cellular data usage to your limit, and take advantage of WiFi and caching to fill in the rest.

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You and a few other posters here have the mistaken notion that using the cloud means that you need to always be connected to access data. That's not what the cloud is about. The cloud is the abstraction of the Internet as a storage mechanism, this storage mechanism acts as the lowest level in the cache hierarchy of our devices. The thing with cache hierarchies is that, the lower the level of storage, the less you want to access it. This is no different for the cloud. You want to access higher levels of cache (i.e. those local to your device) more often than the lowest level (the cloud). That's why Google rolled out Google Gears when they felt HTML5 local storage wasn't rolling out fast enough, that's why Chrome right now has such good support for local storage. That's why Dropbox keeps a copy of your files on your computer rather than making you access them from the cloud every time. Good local caching is crucial for the cloud to work. This is no different for phones: Gmail caches your recent messages, Google Music keeps offline copies of your most played songs, etc. This is how the cloud is supposed to work: you want to access local files as often as possible, and only access the cloud when you get a cache miss.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Im not missing that point. Im in between the light traveler and gotta bring everything traveler. I can get away with local storage 95% of the time. The otger 5% can be had locally too. The heavy or light traveler would be better suited for cloud. The cloud is a nice concept. But right now it is kind of like a yugo. Better buy into several of them in case you need spare parts.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
simple things that keeps the Cloud from working as intended

* Data plan, cost you an arm + a leg in some countries, specially here

* 4G Speed is not yet available everywhere, and 3G feels more like EDGE (2G)

* WiFi is not as accessible as some people believes, and speed is usually really crappy (worse than 3G) on most coffee stores / library / hotels i've tried to use them on

i do use drop box, got 12 GB free, and another 50GB on another account, and many other similar services, but in the end, they are all useless due the slow connection speed

i use the TitaniumBackup dropbox option, but OMG! :rolleyes:, backing up to Dropbox takes a good half a day to get my 14GB of data up there

while it only takes me no more than 5 minute, to plug it into the USB port, drag and drop the folder into dropbox from my PC to have it available online for one of those worse day scenarios restores
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sauron0101:
Even with the cloud, data costs are still very pricey. Especially with carriers eliminating so called unlimited plans left and right. If I buy a Nexus myself, I don't plan on buying data for it.

Plus there's the flexibility an SD has to offer. Just take files that you want to transfer and put the SD card into any other device with a SD card reader.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
Except music files and video files, what kind of files do you put in your phone that you need a big storage space?

I am curious with why people need sd card if not for music and video files.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
books? documents? pictures? using your phone storage as the media backup to transfer files to another computer/phone/network elsewhere? games? cache? bookmarks? emails?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kanariya:
I don't really care about it. If it doesnt affect the performance im ok with it.

I hated it when starting up my old vibrant and it takes 5mins to scan the card and stuff.

I prefer the speed of nand memory.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Don't take up much space

Don't take up much space

Only take up a lot of space if you have many high res images

You can carry around an SD card for that, no need for the card to be in your phone.

Only if you play a lot of big games at the same time. If you only keep the games you are currently playing, this shouldn't be a problem.

Don't take up much space
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jebus99:
No, I completely agree that Google is definitely trying its best to make do but there's just so many issues. Look at Google Music, I would love to use it but its restricted to the US - how will the rest of the world be able take advantage of cloud based solutions when they aren't even offered to us :(. And as for it becoming available....I fear it might be just like Amazon Appstore which was supposedly being launched international for months but is perpetually delayed.

I think what would be amazing is if carriers actively supported the idea of cloud storage. All it would take is a un-metered channel for things like Google Music, which would allow us to stream without it counting towards the cap (like what carriers do with Facebook, email etc). Unfortunately there just is no cloud service being pushed or popular enough for carriers to be forced to change. I'm hoping that with the SGN and new apps like Google Music, there might finally be reason enough for carriers to expand their free-data zones to include cloud based solutions. If Google Music is successful thats 5-10GB freed up on the device which would be amazing.

As for caching, it is definitely going to help a lot. In fact, we could look at WP7 where Skydrive is indeed an integral feature and expands any WP's storage capacity. How effective its going to be, though, will have to be decided once we have our phones...wish they didn't keep us waiting like this.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Lmao. Maybe not for you. Man its like you're high on the cons of having built in sd. For some of us, having our material world in our pocket, in one device is where it is at. You know i do have a thumb drive, a 16 gig sd, sometimes 32 gig ssd and maybe a 640gig hdd all at arms reach, but being able to dig in my pocket and have all of what i need with out connecting or being connected, especially when arms reach, or even a few steps is too far. And pictures and games are the least of worries. Im sorry but i dont buy into the cloud. For green reasons, for privacy reasons, for convenience reasons and a few less importnt reasons, including the cloud is still in pre alpha stages, though google and insert favorite corporation here would have you believe otherwise. The peeps that are pro for not having external storage internally are probably social geeks that have their face plastered on some social website and want the world to know that they spilled coffee in their lap on their commute to work and how embarassing it looks to have a poopy stain on their pants. Sorry. I dont care or want to know. And you'd be surprised at how much memory can add up when you carry the 'necessities' and you have backups of backups on the backups and a water/fire proof safe because you have it backed up on optical media. Call me ancient, maniacal or whatever. Basically, i always carry minimum 10 gigs. <-- serious and funny overtone to that statement. A 16 gig phone formatted and partitioned barely leaves you with what? 13 gigs max? C'mon. And flash and nand isnt even the memory of the future. I wouldnt be surprised to see storage and ram be one and the same later this century. Maybe then, when im 80 years old, we'll have a unified global communication standard and my grandkids will ask me what gsm was. And when i whip out a microsd to show them how big memory used to be and have to slap it out of their mouth cuz it ain't chewing gum maybe then i might think about using the cloud because wi-fi would be non existent because every single freaking person on this planet would be connected where we inhabit. For free. Refer to signature. If youyou dont like it, then tell your mum. Maybe she will laugh.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

Ps. For the peeps that say sd slows your phone down. Does it still slow it down when you dont have a sd? Aaaaaaand heres the best part before i leave. The cost of no sd to pro sd. Did google charge $526.37 instead of $529 when they forgot the sd in nexus s? Things that make you go...wait for it... wait for it... hmm.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Damn. It didnt finish my post.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
I bet you store all your entire photos, all your backup ISO files of copy of your software and OS, scans of all your paper documents, all your email archives, all your backup zips of all your games, all your ROMs, emulators games, all builds of CM.

Probably some disk images of your deskop PCs and laptops.

Double all those with stuffs from your friends, families, etc. So they can rely on you as a "backup".

Man ... You need to carry a NAS box, dangling on your belt!

LOL, oh well ... Some people ... Cant help :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
None of what you said is relevant to the problem at hand...which is the amount of storage on this phone. Why are you talking about backups? Why are you carrying around backups with you? I backup all my stuff onto my file server, and that server backs up its stuff to another server at a different location so I can have offsite backups. I don't care whether my phone has enough space to carry around backups of my backups because that would be a silly thing to do.

You are worried about privacy with storing stuff on the cloud? You know you can always just run your own server, right? One of the nice things about Android is that it works well with ssh and sftp. Too technical for you? There are programs that function like Dropbox, but instead of syncing with Dropbox servers, they sync with your own server. The point is that the things you pointed out that you think means you need to carry around lots of storage with you, shouldn't be carried around at all. It doesn't matter if you use the cloud or your own server or whatever, there's no good reason that you need to have those things on your phone. There are so many better ways to have constant access to the data you own.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blunden:
I do agree many of the things he mentioned doesn't really fit the issue here. There are those of us who want to load our phones up with media when we travel or otherwise need to kill time. 720p videos take up quite a bit of space compared to the total amount available on the phone and when traveling (eg. being in an airplane), the cloud is seldom a viable solution.

Many of Google's cloud services are limited to the US anyway because of licensing issues so even when you could use them it's not an option unless you cheat the system and work around the restrictions.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimslim:
They should've put one, period. If you choose not to use an sd card, then don't use one, should be a choise not a limitation. My opinion only. And maybe I don't need an sd card right now, I might need it in the next 3 months, buy a new phone then?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
The problem is that you can make the same statement about any feature. e.g. "They should've put a projector in the phone, period. If you choose not to use a projector, then don't use one, should be a choise not a limitation." At the end of the day you have to choose what features to include, and those not included will become limitations. There's no way around that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimslim:
How many phones currently have projectors? And how many have sdcard slots? What is the use/necessity of a projector vs a sd card. I believe is not a good comparison. Sd cards are more way popular (as storage, not only for phones), they are already a standard in current devices.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Ah, but that's a different argument than the one I'm refuting.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jebus99:
The most popular selling smartphone would beg to differ ; ). Sometimes you have to accept a product the way it is. You love choice, so you should happy with how great Android is in there are other choices - HTC Vigor, RAZR etc. Feel free to pick them, as long as your willing to accept their limitations as well. Otherwise, just keep waiting for the perfect phone, probability says it'll be here sometime before the end of the universe. The people who pick this phone *have* to accept the lack of a SD-Card...and if you did pick this phone you have :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sOt0nGx:
I am still using Galaxy S (1)

I never filled up the 16GB so I can live with the Galaxy Nexus not having SD-card support

But prefer more options

voted Yes
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Blown 89:
I wanted it. I have a 16Gb Vibrant with a 32 gig card. I haven't filled it but I like having that extra space when I travel so I can load as many movies and tv shows as I want on the phone. 32 Gig total is fine as long as it's not overly expensive or takes forever to be released but 16 GB total simply is not enough for my needs.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimslim:
I would leave the iDevice out of this. It is not a developer's phone, it's a "I want it" toy. Don't expect many iphone users to jump ship and get a Nexus. Also, there are way more nokias, blackberries, htcs, samsungs, etc out there with an sd card slot. What's next, no 3.5 mm audio port? Of course you can live without it, you have Bluetooth, but I'm expecting that a flagship device to have it. I'm aware of the competition and many would probably pick another device just because of the lack of sd.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ruthlesset:
Don't worry guys... a 64GB Galaxy Nexus will be released on 1 Apr 2012.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blunden:
I see what you did there. :P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] donsh00tmesanta:
I'd like it so Ivan place a dedicated memory medium for pics and videos
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] katamari201:
Dumb move for Windows Phone. Dumb move for Android dev phone. It's annoying how backwards phone manufacturers can be sometimes. My old Nokia and Samsung phones all had expandable storage. Hell, it took only a few button presses and two seconds to turn any mp3 into a bonafide ringtone. You can't do that nowadays unless you download specific apps/file browsers or put them in specific folders with specific file lengths.

I know why there's a delay! They adding the mythical microSD slot back in!

Yayz!!!! :D:D:D:D:D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cosimoss:
Don't care. I've not got past 10GB on my current one and it will be the same on this one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeterGuru:
What a load of hooey!

What a load of hooey! Who are YOU to tell me what I need on my phone, and what I don't need? My goodness, such arrogance.

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Well, not having an external SDCard slot is a deal-breaker for me.

My last two phones had it, both HTC, and now I have a Samsung Galaxy S II LTE from Rogers. It has one, and ...

My 32GB SDCard is already 82% full.

So, a 16GB phone simply can't cut it, and that should never happen with a Flagship device.

My two cents!

Peter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
What I said does not pertain to you. If you read the whole discussion, it's about what else besides music and videos could fill up the phone. Obviously, if you have lots of music and videos that you need to carry around, even 32GB might not be sufficient. I have the same problem, even 64GB won't be enough to carry most of my music collection. However, that's not what those posts were debating. The whole thing started with a hypothetical scenario where we imagine if one doesn't have lots of music and videos, whether 16GB would then be enough.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeterGuru:
NO Music ... NO Videos!

I do understand the original debate; however, when I said that over 80% of my current 32GB card is full, it doesn't include a single music or video file. It's 90% business files, and 10% personal files.

Peter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
ISO image files? Collection of software installers?

Why do you need to store those files in your phone?

Do you really need them anywhere at any time?

I am curious to know how other users utilize their phone storage.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
So, the reason you carry around these business files on your phone, as opposed to some other kind of storage device, is because you need to work on these files using the tools on the phone, correct?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeterGuru:
Why two devices?

Why would I want to carry around two devices? I know where you're going with your question. I have my files on my phone not only to work on them, which is not too often, but to show potential clients the advantages of using our products over the competition, to discuss pricing, to show them drawings and installation instructions, etc. There are a myriad of different files/documents.

Having to carry ONLY one device to handle everything is a joy, not to mention extremely convenient.

Peter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
And you also don't have Internet access when you show your clients these files, thus unable to retrieve files from a remote server as needed?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] voxigenboy:
a side from disappointment in the 5 mega pixel camera, the no removable storage bit hit me pretty hard. i wanted either 16 or 32GB internal + microSDHC/XDHC support. you'd think by now these companies would realize just how big of a deal phones are to people these days.. hell, i rarely even use my phone to make calls(that's maybe 1% of my usage)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Minus the part about the camera i mostly. Yes, a lot of my world fits in my back pocket now but im not wholly dependent on it. But dammit, i need my expandable storage.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeterGuru:
You have no idea ...

Why are you trying so hard to prove your point about a person, me, who you know nothing about, and whose business you also know nothing about.

You are attempting to push your personal convictions on another person who is a complete stranger to you, in an effort to prove some kind of point.

Yes, there are often cases when I DON'T have internet access. You may ask why, but why does that matter to you? The fact is, I NEED these files available to me at an instant. It's proven to work wonders in securing new accounts, and in solving problems. You can't argue that since you are not me, and you have no idea what my business entails.

The fact remains, I need what I need and YOU are in no position to invalidate that point based on your own needs and opinions.

If you don't need a phone with an external SDCard slot, then so be it. I would never argue with you on that issue. I would be a fool to do so. However, I need it, and you are in no position to say I'm wrong in expressing that need.

Stop with the self-absorbed arrogance. We all have our needs, and no one, including you, are in any position to tell us that our needs are misplaced.

Peter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
I am merely asking you a question, you are assuming too much about the point I'm trying to make.

As the saying goes, methinks the lady doth protest too much.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
Take it easy, no one is forcing or pushing you of anything :)

Don't be so sensitive :P

It is your own right about your needs to have a phone with SD card slot.

It is your own right to take all your backup files, all your working files, all your life on your mobile phone.

So as we, who do NOT want it (SD card slot on a phone).

Me, personally, I don't want and it ... and I am glad, really glad ...

Really really happy, that Google does not put it in the Nexus device :)

:p :p :p :p :p

And wish that Google keep it like this for the next future Nexus phone.

So ...

I will buy the Galaxy Nexus even if it does not have SD card slot!

What if the Galaxy Nexus has an SD card slot?

Well, I will still buy it also!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Having a phone without an sd slot is like buying a tv without a remote control. Sure you can change the channel still but now it is less convenient.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
maybe the next nexus will actually be future proof.

the N1 has almost no internal storage, the NS only 16gb internal and no sd card and no notification light. the GN has a notification light again (yay!) but the same limited storage :( why google? why?

i will still be getting this, but this one issue really saddens me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] PeterGuru:
Great quote!

It's nice to know someone's read Hamlet; although, to be an anal retentive smug miscreant, the line is actually, "The lady doth protest too much, me thinks." But it really doesn't matter.

Actually, I've used this line quite often when people go out of their way to make a point about something they either claim they have done, or claim they have not done.

Sadly, most people don't get it.

Cheers!

Peter
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
Thats bad analogy :)

Remote control is very essential for tv, at least nowadays.

People will not be happy without one.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
And you hit the nail on the head and missed at the same time.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] blkrabb1t:
If there is one reason keeping me from the GN it's this issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] brando56894:
It's almost a deal-breaker for me, I just bought a 32GB MicroSD card for my Incredible and was planning on using it with my next phone but I'm torn between the Rezound and the G-Nex. 32GB should be enough for me as long as we have all the 32GB available to the user.

I could always throw my 32GB card in my Transformer :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] esincho:
Of course all 32 won't be available
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ckochinsky125:
I honestly do not care. I don't have that much stuff that 16gb if that is what verizon gets won't work. I had an iphone and 16gb was plenty and never came close to filling it up. I have a tablet for movies and that since I do not want to watch a movie on a tiny screen anyway.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gogol:
But there are people who are happy without sd card slot. A lot of them here in this thread :)

Or they don't care :)

Like me for example.

SD Card slot is not essential for a phone.

That is why your analogy was bad.

Thanks God, for Google to not include sd card slot in the Nexus phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] teamgreen02:
Honestly I could care less if there is an sd card slot as long as the Verizon version comes with 32 GB of internal storage. I don't keep that much stuff on my phone now. I had an 8 GB card in my EVO and the only way I filled that up was with nandroid backups.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Still missing the point. Its optional if its there. Dont use if you dont need it.

I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
If it's there, then the phone would either have to be slightly bigger and heavier, or something else would need to be bumped off. Laws of physics...