yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChodTheWacko:
And your point is what? I didn't say anything about brightness/saturation.

I haven't seen a single video where people who have actually used the device imply the iphone/galaxy S2 has noticably better resolution. Yes, they do, but it's not noticable. So what difference does that make?

It's one thing to look at raw specs and say, 'gee, that's horrible, that will never work'. You are reminding me of all the people who say, 'That will never fit in a pocket' when in reality, it fits comfortably in almost all pockets just fine. I thought the former, too - but I tried it and now I know better.

- Frank
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] faxe78:
The display looks awesome that's all I need to know. Typing this message on this display.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] willstay:
Most of the people in this thread are pixel freaks. Come on!! I am at 1366x768 pixels on 14" screen at 12" distance and I can't see any pixels and they are worried if that is somehow going to be visible on a 5.3" screen. (as a second thought, is ClearType playing the tricks :P )
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Skerved:
I wouldn't say I'm a "pixel freak", but the rather low pixel density on my Nexus One is disturbing in some situations. Therefore I'm glad the Note is better in that regard. I doubt however that any higher density on the Note would do any difference. I am also aware of that some, maybe most people, wouldn't care or even see the difference.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChodTheWacko:
Then you're not a pixel freak. A pixel freak (and this is common in cameras) is someone who looks at pictures at a pixel per pixel basis and finds defects/problems they will never see in real life. They are looking at the extreme situations.

A car equivalent is like asking if the car gets shaky if you drive it over 150 miles per hour.

Why is that important? Why would that affect your buying decision?

The person asking if you can see pixels from 3 inches away strikes me as similar.

Is that how you use your phone? Really? Even 6 inches away starts approaching obnoxious.

- Frank
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] linzgeneral:
How is the text? Do it look as crisp as the Iphone 4?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Kanalcommander:
Well the Nexus phones all have pentile displays too I think. All Amoled displays without plus are pentile displays e.g. Nexus, Desire, Galaxy S, Atrix. Compared with them it will be simply better because they have same technology but lower resolution.

Galaxy S2 is the only major device with super Amoled plus. So there is room for a discussion.

I Phone may be better too BUT: if you want a big Screen you simply have no choice.

For me the display is simply amazing. Rich colours, not to dark and sharp as hell.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cadavar:
My only gripe is with the manufacturer misrepresenting their product. With digital camera's at least the sensors are what is stated, regardless if the consumer will be utilizing the megapixel count. It seems like its the case of the contrast lies on HDTV's all over again.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChodTheWacko:
Yea, Your point is legit, particularly with contrast specifications.

You may be interested in knowing that camera sensors work similar to these LED displays. It's almost exactly the opposite - instead of the LED showing a red pixel, the sensors have a sensor spot that reads in red light. LEDS show white by turning on all RGB pixels, the camera sensors read in light be reading from the RGB sensor points.

And, similar to AMOLED/AMOLED+/etc, there are different sensor layouts (bayer, foveon, super ccd, etc. So you have a little bit of the same mess in the camera world, too. Fun, eh?

- Frank
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] chowdarygm:
crispier than that....a page without zooming in also can be read very easily with minimum scrolling
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fscherz:
I have SII & Note and can say it's a huge difference!

I do not see any problem with the screen, not with my eyes.

I own a good Macro lens for 1:1 on full frame SLR and tested a photo with it spanning the ~ 4000 pixel of the cam to the 800 on the Notes with. This showed me that the 800 pixel size in the with is true and visible.

Now, unluckily any camera which has 4000 pixel actually does not have 4000 pixel for each color, but also has usually 2000 green, 1000 blue and 1000 red. This means that real resolution is actually not 4k but rather 2k.

The pictures which were presented in this tread were 6MP which is in reality 1,5MP real sensor solution (in RGB) which is only a bit bigger than the 1MP of the screen.

You never can make a good picture of the screen with such a resolution!

Anyhow, I don't care because viewing the same picture on my GSII and Note shows that the note has 800x1280 pixels, you can use a picture with exactly 480x800 size to prove it because if you display it on SII in landscape it will fit the full screen, on Note it will fit just the width in portrait mode!

p.s.: My only problems with Note are that a lot of games do not understand the nice size and I believe that I need to wait for ICS to have more nice things working like on Galayx Tab 10.1 with 3.1!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cadavar:
Are you sure the pics you have on the device are not just being compressed to show the full image? A good way of figuring out is to find a 1280x800 resolution wallpaper, open it in any picture manager and zoom to 100%. Does it then show the entire wallpaper on the screen, with out scrolling up/down/left/right?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] fscherz:
If you put a 480x800 picture on the screen of Note (using 100% zoom, no scaling) and measure the size of it compared to the size of the screen you get ~60% in each direction (I cannot measure sub-mm).

This mean that the screen size is 480/0.6 = 800 on the short side.

The question is how it looks: The 300dpi pixels are too small to see them. When I print 200dpi or 300dpi you can see hardly a difference but it looks much cleaner and without pixels.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] neuTrue:
For me, 1280x800 laptop from 12''~15'' and I can still see the pixels.

Actually just now, I put the laptop ~40'' from me and I could still notice pixels...

That person got a name (a nickname actually), you know? I'll skip the camera argument this time.

Driving +150 mph? tried 3 or 4 times and it isn't my style. Usually I go by 100mph and mostly 90mph (all high ways).

You tell me why is it important? and why it isn't? Most people try to enhance their experience and I really gets bothered with pixels (Have you ever read an entire e-book and these pixels just ruined your experience? It does for me.

Actually for such small screens I can see pixels from 10'' with no problem at all. and before sleeping I tend to get the screen closer to me. If you are wondering about the 3'' part (I like how picture & things looks bigger from this distance). Sure I got used to see pixels, but if I can decrease its visibility, I'll go with it.

Just to let you know, I might have no sense of sounds (@Those who can distinguish between (Sony) mp3's sounds better than (Zune) or who says like (Samsung Galaxy SII) sounds worse than (iPhone) and such). Hearing and comparing sounds they sound same to me, but for vision part I can't say this.

So consider that individuals are not equal, some annoyed by X and others by Y.

I'll re-ask the question again:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] oka1:
No 9/16 aspect ratio just like your flat screen TV where did the 10/16 ratio come from ? never heard of that

Almost all systems are 4/3 16/9 or the inverse
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Sjael:
From about 2000-2010 16:10 displays were quite common for PCs. 2560x1600, 1920x1200, 1680x1050, 1440x900, and indeed 1280x800 are all 16:10. They stopped really being made in that ratio by 2010 though, because nothing else used it. Basically only professional-level 27"+ 2560x1600 displays are still made in any volume.

:)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cccy:
It doesn't really matter if its pentile or not. My country (Singapore) does not have the Note on sale yet but they already had their prototypes on display in their flagship store for anyone to play around with for some time now. I had a go at it and even small text were comparable to the SGSII (Perhaps due to the pixel density). Pictures were much better than the SGSII but the speaker does sound a little like its trapped in a tin can (The phone felt extremely thin, thinner than my HD2 when holding it, and significantly lighter, perhaps the speaker inside is extremely tiny too). Do note that this model I tried was the prototype and was a little different from the actual model sold in the EU and might be a little behide in specs or didn't have the pentile(?) (This one didn't even have the S-Pen, although mentioned in the specs list beside it).
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChodTheWacko:
It's not important to me, because I would never use the phone that close to my face, nor have I ever seen someone look at a phone that close. I think the closest I've ever gone is maybe 9 inches or so. So it's fair for me to ask if you actually do that.

And since you do, then your question is fair enough.

- Frank

---------- Post added at 02:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:15 AM ----------

What happens? They appear in a small window in the middle?

- Frank
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] neuTrue:
Glad you considered my question to be fair, and sorry if I sounded a little bit rude :) As I considered this part to be rude on your behalf.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] :
I don't understand where you guys

invent

these terms - TRUE RESOLUTION??

Samsung bought all the patents for Pentile technology. Why would they spend money on something if that's defective? Every technology has some advantages and drawbacks. We also ought to consider that each individual sub-pixels can be addressed in Pentile. The image is rendered at the sub-pixel level, and in case of RGB it's a the pixel level - a complete set of 3 sub-pixels is the minimum addressable entity. Also to be noted that it's only on horizontal axis and no changes on the vertical axis. The main problem with Pentile is how the sub-pixels are arranged. Sub-pixel elements are placed diagonally whereas in a RGB they are in a straight line. Due to this diagonal structure, the lines sometimes appear blurred. But at such high resolution, this would be not an issue. Pentile supposedly is better for battery. Recently Samsung had shown WQXGA screens at FPDI. These 2560*1600 10.1inch screen uses Pentile and uses same power as a 1280*800 RGB screen.

One important thing to note here is that Microsoft holds most of the patents for RGB rendering. All Pentile patents were bought by Samsung from Clairvoyante. These patents are now used by Nouvoyance.

Resolution

= Number of pixels on X and Y axis.

Does not matter how the Pixels are generated

If you talk about sub-pixel density, the calculation is different. Now remember there is no change on vertical axis, the difference between RGB and Pentile is in horizontal axis only, not on vertical axis

PPI = {[X-Pixel^2 + Y-Pixel^2]^1/2} / diagonal length

Sub-pixel density (RGB) = {[(3*X-Pixel)^2 + Y-Pixel^2]^1/2} / diagonal length

Sub-pixel density (Pentile) = {[(2*X-Pixel)^2 + Y-Pixel^2]^1/2} / diagonal length

For Note, sub-pixel density will be like [(2*800^2 + 1280^2)^1/2] / 5.3 = 387 (approx).

It's about 414 for Galaxy Nexus.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Peahnuts:
I guess it's to be expected these days that when you release a 5" device with the same Res as some small notebooks that people will try to find something wrong with it. I mean, at the end of the day, it's still f'king 1280x800 on a 5" phone, unless you're looking for the god damn pixels you won't be able to see them. If you say it look's pixelated or looks anything lower than high end, you're either lying or very creative.

Even if it had no sub pixels, the thing would still be clear as, most of the argument's against the screen are either explained with a bias or are simply for comparison purposes against the iPhone, SII etc. Remember, at the end of the day, no matter what the resolution is lower than, it's still clear as f'k.

P.S. Bullsh*t this is 640x400, lies I say! Lies! My 3" resistive phone is 640x480, and that is not as clear as this $500 or so high end phone, tablet hybrid thing lol.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] spekesel:
Haters gonna hate. Hopefully mine gets delivered in a day or two. Then I get to squint at the terrible low resolution pentile display. Poor me.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cadavar:
Too bad some people don't understand what resolution is. These are the same people who buy the iPhone for it's design and not care what it has under the hood. For the rest of us leave this thread alone and go play with your toy and wonder "gee whiz what a big colorful screen my phone has".
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] reinbeau:
Thread cleaned

I've cleaned this thread- instead of responding to 'trolls' and comments please hit the report button - it's far easier to clean up. Thank you, now carry on intelligently discussing the Samsung Note.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cribeiro:
So many bad calculations

For purpose of understanding imagine two 4" screens both with 800x480 pixels resolution:

One is RGB, the other is Pentile GRGB.

So, the area of each pixel in each screen is the same, I name it 1 unit-pixel. It happens that this unit-pixel in the RGB screen has 1/3 of area in green (sub-pixel), 1/3 of area in red and 1/3 of area in blue; In Pentile this unit-pixel has 1/3 of area in green and 2/3 of area in red (double area of red); next pixel has 1/3 of area in green and 2/3 in blue (double area of blue).

Imagine now one figure with 100 pixels represented in these two screens; imagine now this figure is color green: the number of sub-pixels green is exactly the same in RGB screen as Pentile screen, this is 100 sub-pixels, and also the same in area of green.

Imagine now the figure is color red: the number of red sub-pixels in RGB is the same as it was in the green color, this is 100 sub-pixels, but in Pentile the number of red sub-pixels is half of green, this is 50 sub-pixels; however the area of red is exactly the same as it was in green.

The same happens in blue color figure.

Saying this I guess everybody understands that in a given picture, the area of green, red and blue is exactly the same in both types of screen. It doesn't matter if screen is RGB or Pentile; the area of colored sub-pixels is exactly the same in both types.

As in red color, in Pentile screen, is one unit-pixel switch on and next unit-pixel is off, and so on, (but each one with the double in area), if the resolution is a little small like 800x480 in 4" screen, indeed, we yet will be able to see black unit-pixel in the middle of each two red pixels (never forget that color area in each color, is the same as RGB).

However this effect is reduced (not completely eliminated) because in the next line the red pixel is advanced of one unit-pixel (alternated), as Pentile in sub-pixels red/blue and lines use alternate technique.

Increasing resolution to 1280x720 in 5" screen, the unit-pixels will be so small that we will not be able to see the black unit-pixels switched off in the middle of each two unit-pixels.

Furthermore, in real situation, all unit-pixels has the sub-pixels green switched on, this is exactly the same as RGB, and as already said color area is the same.

So, we get exactly the same resolution in both systems as the unit-pixels are the same in both systems and each sub-pixel red or blue have the double in area in Pentile to compensate the half number of these sub-pixels.

Calculations only with sub-pixels, not taking in account the fact that sub-pixels red and blue are double of area in Pentile, conduces to bad and misleading results.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cadavar:
Great explanation! So to sum it up, the sub-pixels do not count toward calculating resolution? They only matter in terms of color accuracy?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cribeiro:
As the red/blue area is the same as RGB, even the colors are correct. Only in small resolutions we can see the alternated red/blue switch off unit-pixels make a pixelled effect; however in high resolution like Nexus and Note we can not see any bad effect as all green sub-pixels (so also all pixels) are there and red/blue have the same area like in RGB.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cribeiro:
In Galaxy S (1) red/blue sub-pixel area is double than green sub-pixel to compensate the half number of red/blue sub-pixels.

In Note/Nexus, if the red/blue sub-pixels area is equal to green ones, then the bright of red/blue pixels must be the double of green (maintaining the due proportion) ones in order to maintain the color accuracy as the red/blue number of sub-pixels is half of green. However the resolution maintain equal as RGB because the number of unit-pixels is the same as RGB. So in this case the compensation to equal RGB screen is based in the bright of sub-pixels red/blue instead of double area.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Who you calling a freak?

I'm one of them.

But it's real in video.

You will pay tens of thousands of dollars more to get broadcast quality cameras.

On your mobile, come on?

What you see is what you get.

Looking at it with a microscope isn't going to make you happy.

This seems to be apple inspired with the my pixels are bigger than yours thing.

Anything over 300PPI is not discernable to the naked eye as better.

What is discernable is contrast, blackness colour saturation(vividness) and detail.

These are all qualities that Samsung screens are known for in TV's and mobiles.

They are leaders in the field.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ChodTheWacko:
I actually tried, but I just can't focus on something that close to my eyes.

8" is pretty much my limit. Perhaps I'm getting old.

I'm pretty sure you'll see pixels though - you seem to have excellent vision.

- Frank
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] p51d007:
Just wait...I'm at the "almost arms length" range for focus. In my teens through 30's, I use to be able to just look at circuit boards and see cold soldier joints.

Now, I have to use a 10x loop, and that is with BIFOCAL glasses! LOL.

(I'm 52 now).
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] spandsbab:
I second u here mate, even though my wife's iPhone 4's images looks crispier than the ones in my Galaxy S1 (retired), I really valued the contrast and how the colors seem to really pop out on my GS1... The color on the iPhone 4 (to me) seems dull compared to the G21...

I'm waiting for the Note here in UAE and i will be comparing it yet again to my wife's almighty iPhone:p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] anath:
If you are in Dubai just to let you know that Samsung store in dubai mall will have the note in stock today.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] neuTrue:
Thanks for trying this, I decided to wait till the Note is available in showroom. I'll experience it myself.

About focusing you can train your eyes to focus probably, I tend to exercise my eyes twice a year (On my birthday and on new year).
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
There's a lot of useful information on Nouvoyance's Pentile Blog, which can clear up some misconceptions about how Pentile displays actually work *in conjunction* with the human vision system.

Regards,

Dave
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Nice piece, thanks.

The lower subpixel count is where the power savings are, no doubt.

And space saving, to achieve a higher resolution.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ddeath:
End of the day, no matter what people says about the so called true resolution of the Note, watch a HD video on it and get ready to be blown away. It's simply fantastic. I know, because I got one and everyone I showed it to agrees.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Braxos:
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah PIXEL

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah AND

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah SUBPIXEL

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ARE

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah NOTTTTT

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah THE

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah SAME

THANK YOU
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] p51d007:
pixel peepers

I see pretty much the same types of discussions on the Dslr threads.

People will complain about the pixels instead of ENJOYING their device.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Spartan2x:
Definition of RESEARCH

1

: careful or diligent search

2

: studious inquiry or examination; especially : investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws

3

: the collecting of information about a particular subject

When you start your post with "according to my research" Please post the relevant information of that research or link to your data and how that information led to your conclusion. We are not going to take your word for it. Yes this is the internet, people post statements that may or may not be true all the time with no source. Please, break the trend. Also, do not take ownership of the "research" if you simply google'd it. That's not research, that's called performing a web search.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Braxos:
Love them.

Just check my avatar
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Im a screen nazi my self but I barely care if its pentile or not, the difference cant be seen aside from the text quality but that already requires squinting to see.

I just wish my replacement screen will be perfect.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jade Eyed Wolf:
+1 what he said.

I could be totally wrong, but the way I see it, my understanding goes something like this:

1280*800 = 1,024,000 PIXELS. In an RGB SUBPIXEL scenario, that means 3,072,000 SUBPIXELS. In a PenTile scenario, each PIXEL is two SUBPIXELS instead of three right? So that would mean that you're looking at more like 2,048,000 SUBPIXELS on a PenTile display.

Either way, you're still dealing with "true" 1280*800 native resolution, because you're still able to address 1280*800 pixels. I mean, even if you're dealing with a monochrome display, where there effectively are NO subpixels, 1280*800 is still 1280*800.

Basically, A) I don't know how people are figuring out that the Note somehow has less than a 1280*800 native resolution, and B) I don't see (literally) what all the fuss is about; the GNote display is simply gorgeous! Period!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] foxmeister:
Pointless bit of thread necromancy on a thread that was dead and buried 2 months ago! :what:
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Xaddict:
Very amusing Foxy, but I only discovered this post the other day and I don't think screen issues are dead yet. From what I see, they are constantly being resurrected.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hhenault:
Having read the 7 pages of this topic, I'm completely lost :

I wrote the following micro-application (Android SDK, API level 10) :

DisplayMetrics wdm = new DisplayMetrics();

getWindowManager().getDefaultDisplay().getMetrics(wdm);

msg.setText("Metrics:" + S.toString);

and on my Galaxy Note, I got the following result :

since, I get mad ...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] lucian777:
Man at that res. you will gonna see the pixels with the naked eye!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] EarlZ:
Its like the entire UI is made up of minecraft graphics if it has that res...

EDIT:

Speaking of minecraft, why is there no mincraft UI mod on andriod phones :(
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] diament:
Before buying Note I wanted to read about PenTile technology as much as I can. I googled link to that PDF: http://www.nouvoyance.com/files/pdf/measuring-pentile-display-resolution-vesa-standards.pdf. I'ts from http://www.nouvoyance.com/

Quite nice and educating work. It confronts two technologies on background of some VESA Display Resolution Measuring standards. PenTile is really well thought technology. Ofcourse with a little exception for bunch of other Note screen problems, which unfortunately I did not avoided ....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jaiiscool:
I don't get the point of whining.

How does it matter?

I can see everything crystal clear. What else do people want?

Why is the true resolution so important?