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[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
That's what I'm talking about all the time.

Anyway, here's what I think how this'll turn out:

I already said it, I completely trust my source to be legit. So I take it for a fact that the SE devs have played around with ICS on the X10. And we all know that it is more than easy for SE to port ICS from the 2011 devices to the X10 since they have access to all the drivers and sources.

So what I think is that the SE devs gladly would like to give us ICS. Hey, these guys are most probably the same geeks like the guys here in the forum ;)

BUT! I also agree with everyone who says that we probably won't get the update from SE, simply because I'm pretty sure that the heads of SE wouldn't want us to stick to this device any longer, plus they don't want to spend internal resources on optimisation and bug-hunting on such an old device.

So to sum my feelings about this up:

CONS - Official ICS for X10:

- SE doesn't want to spend any more resources on such an old device

- SE wants us to upgrade to their 2011 devices

- SE already declared that there won't be any further updates

- Not even the comparable Nexus One gets updated

- ... PROFIT!!!

PROS - Official ICS for X10:

- There are already test devices running ICS internally (RUMOR!)

- X10 is in theory totally capable of running ICS

- It's very easy for SE to develop the software, because they can port straight from the Arc

- SE's reputation could greatly benefit from updating the X10 (and they try very hard to increase their reputation lately)

- SE also declared there won't be any updates after 2.1 ;)

________________________________________________________________

Even as a die-hard optimist, the CONS seem more solid to be honest :(

edit: I just PM'ed the following to this guy:

Let's see what the answer will be :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
ok who starts the petition, or better who's going to start posting on the blog of that rikard guy! hahaha
[XPERIA X10 General] xperia man:
Will there be data / wifi drop?
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
I would like to know if the hardware of the X10 is powerful enough to run ICS properly. Hardware acceleration is going to be on by default for all apps. So doesn´t get the Nexus One with similar hardware ICS because it has too less internal memory, because it is just a political decision by Google ("the customers/devs should move on to newer devices") or because the hardware and especially the Adreno 200 GPU is too weak? When it is just the first reason and N1 won´t get it because ICS is too huge and this rumour is true Sony Ericcson could at least send one of these test devices to FXP team that they can play with it :D
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Not if you bow enough
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Bow and kiss his ring..
[XPERIA X10 General] Ekamsaral:
Profit isn't the only thing a company wants. Nowadays that is an outdated point of view. It is one of the many things companies want, but not the only one.

You'd be better off not believing this rumor. That way if it won't get updated you won't be or will be less disappointed. If it does it will be a pleasant surprise.

For now a fully functional cyanogenmod is the only thing I could wish for.
[XPERIA X10 General] a.monteiro:
Threads like this pop with every android announcement lol

Want a solid hint that SE will not update the x10 anymore? We're not even getting official 2.3.4!! Sorry but the most realistic way of getting upgrades now is unlocking bootloader and getting a cyanogen or miui rom.

I wouldn't be surprised if ICS comes quicker for those mods than for SE 2011 xperias.
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
they didnt update 2.3.4 on x10, so why they would update ICS ?

Im wondering something, if I change prop.build from x10 to arc, will I get 2.3.4 update ?
[XPERIA X10 General] danielk0302:
Just a quick thought that we didnt get 2.2 officially, so they skipped that but gave us 2.3.3. Maybe they would do this but i do doubt it -_-
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
U can flash the ftf but phone won't boot anymore

Don't try this
[XPERIA X10 General] Ivanscremo:
Lol! I want to try that...
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
U will brick ur phone don't try that!!!

No flash Mode!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
lol I think he is joking, no need to worry man lol. He is old enough to know. Haha
[XPERIA X10 General] sems4arsenal:
This is my first Post in this Forum (Sent here from a GTplanet memmber).Just would like to say I hope that is True although the Modding community is enough to Keep this Phone up to date.

Oh and I will be rooting my phone soon so I can officialy Join the club :D

Ali
[XPERIA X10 General] Artest113:
just finish tested my friend's SE Arc with ICS, nothing special, no data usage management thingy, just added panorama feature stuff and some few minor stuff, conclusion is, SE sucks
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
The arc doesn't have ics lol what are you talk about hahaha

ICS isn't even released yet.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
This guy seems to be so crazy...

Sent from Xperia X10 Self-modded
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I posted this earlier in the thread:

And now I got his answer:

So, as I said, they're considering it. Again no promises and no solid information. That's why the title says "

[RUMOR]

X10

might

get ICS officially!" ;)

FYI, I don't mind people making fun of these things as I know that my posts lack any solid proof and I'd be suspicious too. But I'll still keep you updated, just for the chance there's someone as blindly optimistic as I am :) Plus, I like the friendly kind of mockery in this thread. And I like scoobysnacks :p :D

Regards

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
There was someone who said that the bootloader would be upgraded and unlocked when the GB update came, and that member claimed that it's 'insider info'.

Well obvious there's nothing as 'insider info', when they are planning that they would be posting that on their blog/facebook/twitter.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Well, that someone was me :) And as I clearly state everytime in the OP, 'insider info' always is a subject to change. With the unlocked bootloader, I withdrew my statement even before the official release of the GB update was released and proofed me wrong, because I got word that SE ran into legal problems about DRM and stuff with the providers and therefore cannot open bootloader for pre-2011 devices.

But this statement later turned out to be at least half true, because I told about unlocked bootloaders on Xperia devices before it was known that the 2011 Xperias come with open bootloader. And no one could've seriously guessed that SE would open up bootloaders for the new Xperias, right?

So, if you don't like to know what is going on inside SE or you don't believe me: it's up to you to read that thread, right?

I gain nothing from lying here, except distrust and hatred. If my info turns out to be wrong I'm sorry though. Nothing about the update is carved in stone by now.
[XPERIA X10 General] Artest113:
let's hope Sony change their mind though, they gotta know there are still tons of X10 users around the world, fix their reputation with upgrading to ICS, and I am sure there will be lots of benefits, people would give Sony's smartphone as consideration, in fact, X10 are still a really fast single core phone, it's all depends on Sony to whether upgrade it or not

---------- Post added at 12:12 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:10 PM ----------

my bad, it's the build number that started with 4, not android version
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
what is not a rumor, is some x10 devs have a ICS dump system, and also Cyanogenmod 9 will come some day.

and SE could communicate about x10 and say if they upgrade or not, they have a lack of communication
[XPERIA X10 General] canny891:
wow! have not forgotten O.O

would be really fantastic!
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
I hope we will get, but I know there is no hope. Maybe a port from Arc etc...
[XPERIA X10 General] Ron_bstl:
The #1 reason I love the Xperia phones is the timescape widget....If I can find anotha phone that can support that I'll switch
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
read this:

http://www.androidmemo.com/2011/10/xperia-x10-not-get-official-ics-4-0-update/
[XPERIA X10 General] Hzu:
We still have hope my friends... And that hope is CM9.
[XPERIA X10 General] POLO_i780:
DREAM ON!!

SE already stated MULTIPLE times that 2.3.3 was the FINAL official update for the X10, we wont get an official ICS Update, we will get ICS with CM9 and other custom ROMs, so FORGET ABOUT GETTING AN OFFICIAL ICS UPDATE! It AINT HAPPENING, GET OVER IT and stop riding on false hope!
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
And less chance to see the port of ICS, we need devs

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19219820&postcount=115
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
No need to shout like a crazy kid like that dude...

Sent from Xperia X10 Self-modded
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
yeah same thing they said when we where on eclair and we got gb.:p btw, SE said this not Sony ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
If you ask me Currently (SE + Sony) = still SE.

The same idiots are still in control.

Sony has just bought them out to save SE from it's financial situation.

The fact that SE has been sold tells you all about he popularity of their products and the failure of their current devices.

Also considering SE loves to use outdated chipsets "adreno 205 for example"

You would think they would have all the bugs worked out.

Instead SE relied on these failures to sell even more devices, that are supposed to top of the range. SE takes a NOOB initiative to sell outdated and buggy devices to NOOBS.

This post from the Nozomi thread says it all in a single swoop.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19073133&postcount=7

The x10 is not a good phone.. even if you think it is.. it may just be due to the fact that some of us are just on a completely different level and therefore see things from a different perspective. "sometimes people just cannot see the fail, and that's the idiots sales people love"

SE sells outdated hardware for expensive prices.

For that price you expect the best of the best but you actually get second best.
[XPERIA X10 General] InternationalPlayer71:
I think that SE has said many times that it doesn't want to follow the "hardware fight"..like other brands(samsung)..but it is working hard in software development and personalization(timescape,facebook inside xperia ect..)..anyway..i'm in according with you in some aspects you talked about..

Sent from my X10i S
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Try using Time Scape on the x10 mini pro.. not exactly a smooth experience.

Also if the point is personalization then a unlocked bootloader would have been the order since day one. :D

Every x10 looks the same no matter what SE widget you put where ever.

Not all of us are contempt send messages and taking pictures.

And not supplying the best and latest hardware AND software with a new device is fail since day one.

If i see a phone with outdated hardware for $1000 with 50GB of bloatware VS a $1000 phone with no extra software and the latest hardware... take a guess which one i shall be taking.

I have never used any of SE's standard apps because they all seem like a fat gimmick... FB in 2.3.3 on the x10 is a great example of something that a waste of time.. as FB is already free on the market.

Bad hardware = Bad hardware and almost no effort on the software side can fix that.
[XPERIA X10 General] InternationalPlayer71:
A smartphone is mainly meant to be a phone...software let you to make much activitys..what do you need huge hardware if you can't use it??what a dual core processor do that cannot be made by a single core in a phone?? Just a pure personal satisfation of handling it.Android is not able to completely manage these big hardware..so their presence is useless!! Watch sgs2 now..its hardware is very good but its android version can not handle it..the result is a fail!! Hardware development is quicker than software development..so all this huge hw is a wast of money and just an illusion!! Just my opionion

Sent from my X10i S
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Ok.. so now it's not about personalization... but efficient software.. Challenge accepted.

And weak hardware definitely gets me into my app faster there by using less power. :rolleyes:

Single core allows me to to have 2 heavy apps running smoothly? :rolleyes:

No matter how well optimized the software is it just cannot compare...

I'm sorry i don't agree at all.

Consider x10 got double and even triple scores higher than the stock rom would allow.

Optimized software indeed. :rolleyes:

If that was supposed to be the agenda for SE with the x10 they failed at both ends.

And actually android can handle the hardware.. just as linux can.
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
fact, we will get ics either official or unofficially(ie cm9/mini or port)

Sent from my unlocked bootloafer fxp style:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Ok, here is my ideas for who wanna use super phone: if you wanna play game, by a core i7 chipset and try to make it work on your phone. You will have super super super power suck phone. Ya, it is suck. I want a real phone not a phone with 4 cores inside or 2 cores with such damn speed 4Ghz cause I have computer. Single core is still be use in almost phone. It is not outdate. And I am sure that almost people buy dual core or iPhone just to say with their friend that they have money, I am rich. With me, phone is phone, and with almost job, dual core IS USELESS. Why we must use dual.core while job requires call and SMS?

Sent from Xperia X10 Self-modded
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Now you are just being silly.

Tegra 3 has 5 cores!!! 5!

And is much more energy efficient than most current chipsets.

Also it's a smart phone... not just a phone.

A smart phone is not just a phone.

I didn't buy my PC just to run word and send e-mails.

My PC is a tool!.. and when my PC is no longer a tool i shall no longer use it.

The x10 i hardly ever used as a phone... why? because it didn't even do that simple job properly.

Puts expensive X10 next to a dirt cheap nokia and sees the nokia has 4 bars of signal VS the x10's 1 bar... and what does x10's love to do with bad signal? well causes the radio to use more power resulting in battery drain, overheating and the fabled burning smell in the x10..

Good job SE. i was a huge fan and you killed that.
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
Cant agree anymore with the latter part, indeed the signal strength is relatively weaker when making comparison to other phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
OK, just use your smartphone as computer. I wanna know if you can live with it man lol. 5 cores to use with what? Play HD 3D game ??? All day??? Type word??? Excel ? or Powerpoint?? Presentation?? Once Your Smartphone can do all these thing PERFECTLY, tell me, and you are true about good phone must have a lot of core inside chipset, big screen like 100". That's awesome phone lol
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
If it was due to hardware nobody would bought a X10, there was better or same strong Phones out at that time already for a better price. I just bought my X10 becouse of the UI and Design, if i would wanted the best hardware i would never bought X10. I dont need a good Camera or FB and all this stuff, for me some Games.Network,SMS and Phone is enough, im not that addicted to Phones that i need to do all with it. But discussing this is **** anyway, we all know the hardware of Sony Phones, so if you want fastest hardware then dont buy it, its so simple why discuss that? We all know the new Sony Phones will not beat HTC or Samsung devices, only the Camera maybe but all others things wont, thats nothing new or hidden, all people that have only a little bit knowledge know that so whats the deal? I knew my X10 wouldnt be the fastest Hardware wise, only the Camera and Camera i dont need often so there was actually nothing X10 could offer me, i just took it becouse the style and becouse it doesnt care for me if a app takes 2 or 3 seconds to start as long as its not super slow. If you search fastest Software and Hardware you are totally wrong with a Sony Phone^^
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Right man, but they keep shouting that they want 2 cores, 4 cores, 5 cores chipset. I just don't know what to do with it. Place in a box and bring it to show lol
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
Exactly, dunno why some people who even doesn't have or use their X10 anymore come constantly here & keep bashing SE & X10, Their feelings must have been hurt by X10 so much it's somehow become an obsession of theirs to convince every single person in the planet that SE & X10 suck, Well guess what I also want to buy a Samsung or HTC for my next phone & if anyone asks for recommendation I recommend SG2, Nexus prime or waiting for HTC Edge but that's my choice & opinion, I'm not gonna keep discussing the same old crap again & again to force everyone to accept & officially declare SE is ****, Yess SE is behind the game hardware-wise but some people prefer the SE's design & UI, Don't threat them & talk to them like they're all technologically impaired 5 year old girls & you're some tech guru, It's a matter of taste & opinion
[XPERIA X10 General] POLO_i780:
Im sure the Cyanogen Team and FreeXperia team will do it, will be disappointed if we dont get the port though, may never buy another SE Droid after that.
[XPERIA X10 General] InternationalPlayer71:
@omegared

Mate,if you feel happy when you have a new and performance hardware on your device...well..sonyericsson is not your way..but imo this is not also the case to discredit SE and its policy..these characteristic between brands make phones much more different and original..this is a good thing!! Try to imagine if all smartphone have same stock firmware and same hardware...their choise will be so much boring!! SE has done many error in the past..but i think that newer phone are great and they have nothing to envy from dualcore and newest phones!! :-)

Sent from my X10i S
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Let me know guys how much we can Hopeful that ics will be released by fxp or cyanogen team?!
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
Hmmm I would like to see the expression of us all when we had just got our x10s back those days.when we booted it for the first time.wasn't it like :"WOW F@KING GREAT PHONE!!WOOOH THOSE LEAVES ON THE WATER ON THE BACKGROUND!!AMAZING!!:-D

Nowadays though we go like::@ "MOVE IT BEACH!!WHY ARE YOU SO LAME!??why do I get a fc and reboots when I am having a skype videocall?why is this faking setup wizard running in the back and eating up my memory?why so much lag?????why????questions over questions!:-D

Sent from my bavarian castle
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Haha, because they see multicore phone and dream that X10 is those phone lol. Everything, when you see it time to time, you will get bored :D
[XPERIA X10 General] solid0snake:
2 years ago the X10 was quite the flagship device. Software wise it never was really good but usable. I didn't mind that but the microphone and speaker are just plain awful.

My sister has a nexus s and she can talk with skype loud and clear even if the phone is away but my i get constan't complains when talking to people.

So the reason for me to change the x10 as sonn is possible is just because of the weak telephone capabilities.
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
What do you mean?
[XPERIA X10 General] Neo.:
I've to agree with omegared sadly.People began to realize how bad x10 was after they've got another device (omegared,scoobysnacks)( not necessarily dual core :P) but as wolf said many of them brought it hoping x10 could've got better software as well despite of Sony's buggy bloatware and inefficiency to produce good software.(even in arcs)

SE has got what they deserve.At least se didn't support their customers unlike Samsung which did its earlier mobiles (Samsung galaxy s) the fact that we gotta accept (myself as well as I have x10 with me) that we've been a part of a small "prototype" experiment that's what x10 was :(
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
You ever tried making a phone call with this tin-can of a phone?
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
im crying

the x10 is one of the best device, check how many ROMs built for it, just because Z left this phone, people get mad.
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
Its a shame though

As a UK contract user i am limited by my network provider as to when i can get a new phone without paying an up front cost

as of this contract i cant upgrade until june 2012
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
and also the shame is that they have continued to sell it, on july a lady bought it $600 here.

I dont think it's difficult to upgrade to ICS
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Guys! there is no one that answer me:
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
THIS much hehe

but seriously I think FXP's plan was & is to release it for X10 but I read a while ago that FXP said they are not sure if X10's gpu can handle it but I think they'll release it anyway
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
Here is the Quote
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
On the plus side atleast you'll be around to keep things in order around here :D

I'm leaving because the galaxy nexus is about to be released, I'm up for upgrade and can get the phone free. Native android ics will be great. The x10 has been great and iv learnt loads here about all kinds of modding and iv had a fantastic time with all the highs and lows of Se and the x10. As iv learnt stuff I was able to make a better desision than I was about which phone to get being a complete noob and got x10 cos of sexy design and 8mp, as I say iv leant much since then. I'm still very fond of my x10 and wouldn't be without it. I will still be around of course as the x10 forum is very fun and made some good friends along the way.

The Sony UI is there strongest thing imo but ics will deliver a better one and this time round I know I'm going to be getting best hw and sw with fast updates and a lovely 4.6' HD screen. Roll on the 17th when my nexus gets delivered to my door!

This isn't goodbye from me just you may not as much of me around here in the future after the 17th.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
I love how the age of the phone constantly changes...

How the hell is it supposedly three years old lol.

Last time I checked it was at most two
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
He said the hardware, not the actual phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
therefore it would be semcs fault they put outdated hardware in a phone lol.

I don't get fxps supposed logic in that statement...
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
I have a Huawei 8180 (very poor hardware) with CM 7.1 and it works fine, so x10 will work very fine with ICS, we will have to overclock it I suppose.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
that argument makes zero sense.

Gingerbread also didn't have hardware acceleration so the gpu wasn't of supreme importance like in ics
[XPERIA X10 General] InternationalPlayer71:
Ahahahaha..man..i love your posts!!! They make me laugh so much!!!! XD

P.s Sorry for offtopic :P
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
why do you troll now ?
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
How is that trolling??

It's a perfectly valid point :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
I think the x10 gpu can take it, i know its old but its not crap
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
nobody knows yet though, and seriously in all actuality it is fairly bad...

Try a really graphic intensive game to see what I mean.

Hardware acceleration will be a strain for sure
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
yes but you can't possibly think that ICS will be equal or heavier than a graphically intense game, can you?!
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
there was a news saying that x10 is compatible with ICS requirements
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
lol you're making that up.... Source please?

Guys, chances are ics will need adreno 205 and more ram than x10 has..

All I said was Chris's argument about ics obviously working because GB works on his huawai is totally incomparable.
[XPERIA X10 General] amaurilol:
http://gadget.satellite-stream.com/no-android-ice-cream-sandwich-on-xperia-x10-but.html