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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] HushH:
Well, to counter your points:

1) some people will prefer the larger screen even if the resolution remains unchanged

2) i'll give you the processor argument

3) do you know for a fact that he's in a non-LTE market?

4) none of us know what the resell value of either of these two phones will be down the road

I understand the argument you were making, just thought it could have been done a little more respectfully.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CZ Eddie:
You're the one who sounds retarded.

Socially retarded that is.

Btw, two years from now when he goes to upgrade his two-year plan, any LTE phone will have a higher average value on eBay than non-LTE.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] defnow:
If you're talking about the skyrocket, it HAS been announced by at&t. At least their Facebook page has..and website. :/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
My delivery could have been better yes, but the facts I have stated remain. Sometimes a healthy slap across the face is what people need :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
Blah blah blah abomination

That's all I heard
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CZ Eddie:
If you click the link that I quoted in my post, you'll understand what I was referring to.

I wasn't talking about the Skyrocket. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] gtg465x:
Staying here. We'll get ICS (in both CM9 and Samsung form) on this phone long before the SkyRocket.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] vl221:
-Doubt I will notice any noticeable differences in "blurriness" you are talking about. Plus I prefer to have larger screen. I even considered waiting for the Samsung Note..

-The T-Mobile 1.5GHZ Snapdragon processor gets a better quadrant score than the AT&T SG2.

-Oh, I guess since YOU can't utilize LTE, that necessarily means everyone in the world cant. That's very bright of you. :confused:

-Lower resale value? There will be more 4G LTE networks as AT&T continue to expand. I don't see the iPhone 2G worth more than 3G on eBay. :confused:

-Let's not forget that the skyrocket also have 1800MAH vs 1650mah battery.

-If the skyrocket is similar to T-Mobile or Spring SG2, it will have a smaller hump on the back compared to the retarded hump on the AT&T.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] defnow:
My apologies. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nuwayman:
Wow all this debate over switching and not switching. Everything I've read so far in this debate most everyone will not switch. Probably because most of us don't live in a area that has or will have lte anytime soon. Isn't that really the main reason for switching phones? Screen size and processor is debatable obviously. Some think improvement others think its worse. My main thing is will our great devs jump ship and get this new phone. Aren't most of us here flashaholics. I know I am. If I'm not changing, tweaking, doing something to my phone then what the hell am I doing here. Sure there will be some great devs that will get this phone when it comes out but I don't think it will have nearly the amount of support the original will have. I'm waiting for when we can start using the international roms perfectly on our phones just like when I had my captivate. Having devs from that forum and this forum the possibilities are endless. The skyrocket on the other hand .....well you get my point. Just my thoughts and opinion.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dranakin:
Nope, you're still an ass.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jermneedscoffee:
I'm happy with my Galaxy S II (SGH-i777), even though I still have almost 2 weeks left to return, if I was inclined to.

My personal reasons for staying put:

- Screen: having the same resolution as the standard Galaxy S II, yet a larger screen. I was also waiting for the HTC "Holiday", but declined and sought the Galaxy S II for the 4.3" screen as opposed to 4.5 or thereabouts (Holiday does have higher resolution).

- SoC/CPU: Not using an Exynos 4210 or Exynos-variant. I have concerns over any speed improvements, and of an actual battery detriment in an attempt to obtain a higher clock rate, where real world test might not even show a benefit.

- Name: Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket - What? Almost sounds silly to me. That's almost as long as Sprint's offering :p

- LTE: I'm leaning to wait on improvements in the LTE comm-chipsets.

Really, you can't go wrong with either device, and what it really comes down to is what YOU want. If someone is really wanting a larger screen, and are on the AT&T network, then by all means go for the Skyrocket (it will be an awesome device none-the-less). Also, if you are in an LTE market (or soon to be), you should be at liberty to take advantage of that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BarryH_GEG:
There are issues on the TSGS2. You should read their forum before jumping to conclusions.

Then the Skyrocket's the phone for you. A lot of people have tablets too so don't need a gigantic screen.

The Exynos is a far better and more contemporary SoC than the Qualcomm. Samsung's only using Qualcomm on LTE phones because the LTE radio is built in. They're not using it because it's better. Again, check out the TSGS2 forum and read the issues regarding stuttering and lag.

World? Any LTE phone can only be used on the carrier it's designed for. There's no such thing as LTE roaming as there are over a dozen frequencies approved worldwide. The phone will be wicked fast but truly, how much bandwidth do you need on a phone? And the LTE data plans are expensive and can't be used by people on grandfathered 3G plans. I'm in a non-backhaul city and have no problem streaming video to my tethered G-Tab at 3MB down. You reach a point where the s/w and h/w on the phone become the bottleneck, not the speed of the connection.

These aren't expensive devices. They're like cars - depreciating assets. Buy what makes you happy as you'll take a hit reselling any phone.

And it will need it as using LTE won't get it through the day even at 1800MAH.

The hump on the back of the phone is a major issue? Really?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
"Existing smartphone customers do not have to make changes to their data plan."

That is a quote from the press release announcing the phones. The data plans for LTE are also listed as $15 for 200 MB and $25 for 2 GB.

Its listed under "LTE Data Plans"

http://www.att.com/gen-mobile/press-room?pid=21882&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=33192

Its nice that the LTE plans won't cost more.

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] vl221:
Yes, the screen isn't as good as the 4.3inch SG2 but it isn't a deal breaker. I probably wouldn't even notice it on a daily basis.

Fast forward to 3 minutes.

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I have a iPad 2 and Touchpad but I don't remember that they can even fit in my pocket. :confused:

Do we even have any confirmation which processor will be in the skyrocket?

It was a analogy...Relax.

I travel a lot and tether to my laptop and tablets. I would prefer to tether on LTE speed vs HSPA. To each of their own..

I'm just trying to maximize my profit. Every dollar counts.

I rather have a feature that I know I can use when I want to rather than not having it at all.

I have big hands...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mbze430:
Damn they took out the page... I wanted to find out what is gonna happened to customers with grandfather unlimited plan!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rabbivj:
Im currently out of contract and im running a cappy. Ive been debating whether to get a SGS2 or wait till LTE, as I do live in an LTE market I may consider it but then again, I dont need LTE and as many ppl have said I think that this will turn out just like the Infuse and be a bastardized phone...im gonna prolly get the SGS2 just for the availability of Devs committed to this phone. My coworker had an infuse and I did not like the 4.5" screen...4.3 is perfect for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
The hump on the back of the GS2 will probably not exist on the Skyrocket - because the WHOLE DAMN PHONE will be fat.

As to resale value - the iPhone 2G vs 3G is a poor comparison. iPhone 2Gs have a MUCH higher resale value due to the unlimited data loophole.

Similarly, with the GS2 vs. Skyrocket, there's more than just the hardware specs. If the Skyrocket gets the rep as a battery hog that all of its LTE predecessors have, that'll kill its resale value. When (not if) the Skyrocket takes eternity to see ICS - that'll kill its resale value too.

Remember - if you want updates for the Skyrocket, you're going to be AT&T's *****. If you want updates for the I777 - just wait a week or two for the I9100's ICS release to get ported.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] kornklown69:
I definitely will be getting the skyrocket the specs are amazing and it has nfc support for such things as beam and Google wallet im not sure why everyone is hating on it seems like a good device

Edit: read on a PR site most likely rumor/ confusion with hd model
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Blind_Guardian:
I would advise you to research these "amazing specs" you speak of. This is not the HD version. This looks to be a t-mobile clone with LTE added in.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] kornklown69:
Ya the site i read that on looks to be confused with hd model most likely but then again some sites still say nfc so who knows....and the specs i feel are still impressive
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] gtg465x:
We have nfc too... Spec wise the only thing better about the Skyrocket is the LTE modem. Everything else is equal or better on the OG Galaxy S II unless you prefer a larger screen to a sharper one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nicktuso:
off topic question, but what is going to be involved with this? On my captivate I was on 2.2 and waited for the GS2 because I didn't feel I needed to go to 2.3, I've rooted my GS2 and it was easy but what is going to be involved in going from 2.3 to 4.0? Just return to stock and flash a few different things type of thing?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Not even a return to stock most likely - Fairly likely that it'll just be a matter of flashing a new ROM in CWM and wiping data.

Return to stock is only needed for installing an OTA update. But who here installs OTAs?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Longcat14:
Gotta love all the hate, makes me laugh honestly.

Anyways, most of the people who ARE getting the skyrocket are Infuse/Captivate owners who were waiting for an LTE phone, and we didn't buckle down and get the SGSII.

Also, we have no idea how battery life will be based on Verizon's LTE, since the modem are RUMORED to be different.

Anyways, the SAME thing happened when the SGSII got released on the Infuse forums, so give it a week and everyone will cool down.

Sent from my phone. :3
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Simba501:
I have to make my decision today. Right now I'm leaning towards keeping my GS2. That could change. The 4.5 does sound appealing. My only concern is development support and how long it might take to get root.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] pdubcramp:
Problem is it's day 30 for the people who purchased on the release date of October 2nd. I live in NYC and assume I'll have LTE before I upgrade to whatever my next phone will be. But ICS > LTE for me, I think. :confused: Haha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] propsizzle:
really, reading all the "hate," it's mainly going to come down to battery life. on the spec sheet, even with the qualcomm, it sounds like performance will be comparable, it's just that the exynos runs more efficiently at lower speeds.

screen size is a take it or leave it sort of thing, since there's no bump in res. i don't .2 inches is going to make things "blurry" unless you took a magnifying glass to the phone. i mean, it's no retina display, but it's not like the res incredibly low.

if i were out all day and away from a wall socket, battery life would be a big deal. but i'm never more than four hours away from a plug, so big freaking deal if the battery doesn't last all day. it's great that when i go to bed my S2 still has 50% battery. but other than thinking "wow that's super" it doesn't matter as long as the battery lasts long enough where charging it isn't a hassle.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] qwertyaas:
My question is Skyrocket or Vivid...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] quarlow:
Don't discount the original SGS II, most if the dev's have already confirmed they are staying here.

Where would the captivate have been if all the devs jumped to the infuse or inspire? I'm sure you will get dev support on either of the LTE phones, but there will no mass Exodus from the original.

I think the real question is, do you now, or on 11/6 have LTE in your market?

Sent from my Galaxy S II (i777)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Pretty much if you're here, you're flashing ROMs and such. If you're flashing ROMs:

Skyrocket is going to be just as bad news as the T989.

Vivid - well HTC has taken to locking all their bootloaders, so that's another no-go.

For a dev, why buy a device from a manufacturer that plays "hardball" with bootloaders and NAND locks and tries to delay kernel source by 90 days when you can buy one from a manufacturer that donates devices to developers (I9100s to the CM7 team, Infuse and Tab 10.1 among other devices to Supercurio, etc.) and posts kernel sources prior to product launch?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] vl221:
I think I'm just going back to iPhone.

Stupid ATT gotta pull this BS..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
OK well then get out of here. Delete your profile and go register at modmyi. Have fun with winterboard and the constant battle with apple.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RockRatt:
Go hold the sgs2 next to a Sprint/T-Mobile phone and see that those extra .2" wont make much of a difference in overall screen size or phone size. I have buddies at work that have the sprint version at 4.5" and really it is about 1mm wider. So sizewise doesn't make a difference to me. The skyrocket will be thicker also and heavier. Again not too big a deal.

Lte will be nice but the infrastructure is VERY SMALL right now and even though LA California will have it by the end of this year it will STILL HAVE very small coverage area. I travel all around So Cal so going north or south of the LA area will just put me back into hspa+ territory. So again the ONLY thing that to me sounds good wont be FULLY READY for a couple/few years anyways. So dealing with the Lte battery draw searching out the signal is not worth it to me. And you say, WELL YOU CAN TURN IT OFF WHEN NOT IN USE. Now think about it, you JUST PAYED more money for a Lte phone that you turned off the Lte so it didn't drain your battery as fast, BECAUSE the Lte infrastructure is so small right now and for a few years.

Dev support is here and will continue JUST AS it did between my Captivate and the i9000 phones and now as well with the i9100 and i777 similiarities. (In fact the i777 seems a lot closer to the i9100 than the captivate did compared to its sister i9000). And I am in a twelve step program right now for being a flashoholic, so Dev support is important to me.

Then onto the LAST THING that is different. The qualcomm vs. the Exerynos Chip and they are both good but the Exerynos is better at 1.2 than the qualcomm at 1.5

I too have until Nov. 4th to return mine but after seeing/reading what LITTLE SPECS we KNOW it is not an upgrade as far as I am concerned. So ALL do as you like and be happy. If your the type that doesn't like to mess with your phone then have at it as we KNOW it will have a smaller field of revs to support it

Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Blind_Guardian:
Sensitive much? So because he/she doesn't want a phone that HE/SHE PAID for, that somehow entitles you to dictate what they should do. Delusions are a sign of mental illness, just an FYI.

I fail to see what going back to the iPhone will resolve, since I am guessing it will also be on ATT.

ATT didn't do anything wrong. These s2 wasn't sold in LTE markets and it's just business. If you were in the same boat you would have done the same, because in the end we all want more money.

Also the skyrocket isn't really an upgrade hardware wise. It's actually more of a downgrade with LTE added in. If you aren't in an LTE market then there is even less of a reason to feel cheated since you won't benefit from the speed increase.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
I have 3 letters for you: I-C-S
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
I have mental illness because I don't want to hear someone bash the entire android platform over a new phone that was released.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Stevenrogers_420:
Its not even released yet. Just announced..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Did you intend to use that to support his argument?

Because that's another thing in favor of the I777.

The I9100 WILL get ICS long before the I777 or Skyrocket officially see it.

The I9100 release WILL get ported rapidly to the I777.

The I9100 release will NOT get ported in any timely fashion, if at all, to the Skyrocket.

So if you want ICS in any reasonably timely fashion - stick with the I777.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] seh6183:
This was exactly my point. I was intending to thwart his entire post with 3 letters.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ceo.mtcl:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/htc-officially-dissolves-locked-bootlader-policy/

Have a look here please, I think they were suppose to send them unlocked from now on...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] vl221:
Relax. No need to raise your blood pressure over..

It is pretty ridiculous for AT&T to release the SG2 on October 2nd then 1 month later they release another SG2. Why couldn't they just release both at the same time so users have the ability to choose if they buy the 4.5 or 4.3 one.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Blind_Guardian:
Money, it all boils down to money. Why hold onto the S2 until your are ready to go live with LTE? That's one month of potential sales gone. Currently only 5 markets have LTE and only a handful more will get LTE before the year is up. They did withhold selling the S2 in the markets with LTE. You couldn't walk into an ATT store and pick one up because of it.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dranakin:
Is that really the reason? I know you can't find the S2 in a single Northern California (Bay Area and Sacramento) corporate store. I've heard the same thing for the LA market.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] propsizzle:
why do people keep saying this? i live in an LTE market and could've bought an S2 from a number of AT&T stores (i called to check availability).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] vl221:
People still buy phones in actual store? Amazon has free 2 day shipping on all phone orders. No tax that California rapes you on.

I purchased my SG2 on Amazon for $150 shipped. Now they are giving me a full refund when I return the phone. Free return shipping also.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] CZ Eddie:
The Skyrocket is .02" thicker than the AT&T basic GS II.

The Skyrocket is also smaller than the Infuse in every dimension except screen size.

---------- Post added at 02:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:28 PM ----------

I don't understand the animosity towards the Skyrocket.

The Infuse is a great phone with a beautiful display.

The Skyrocket is the same size screen, but the physical phone is smaller in every dimension. And has better screen technology. It's also lighter and the Infuse was already feather light.

The proc/GPU may not be the latest and greatest for gamers, but has LTE technology and superior battery saving technology than the Exynos in the form of how it disables unused cores.

It also is just about on-par with the Exynos performance wise and probably will at least tie for the top three best performing phones available for the next few months.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] RockRatt:
Sounds like you MEANT support it not THWART my observations. The i777 WILL get I-C-S before the i727 period. ANYONE that had a Captivate will KNOW how that works with att getting us timely updates. As the previous comment said, since the i9100 is NOT locked down by service providers they get all the goodies all the time WELL BEFORE anything official from ATT. So in turn the i777 will at minimum get a port.of it way sooner than the skyrocket.

Sent From My KICKASS CM7 AT&T SGS2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] prophac:
i hear everything you guys are saying and i hear the talk of battery life yada yada. but if u ask me. if im gonna be locked into a 2 year contract. im gonna get the phone with lte over att faux 4g. yea some people say oh 4.5 isnt that much different but if u ask me from persononal experience i compared the att gs2 to the epic touch and for me 4.5 is a plus as appose to the 4.3. makes typing that much easier. 2. att faux 4g is pathetic inspeed compared to tmobile speeds in my experiance. i had the gs2(returned it a week after i got it cause i heard verizon was getting the nexus google) and thunderbolt on verizon and the data speeds are nothing comparie which is another reason i returned it knowing att is rolling out there lte network. so i said ill wait for a lte phone not hspa+ begin called 4g. my thing is dont bash a phone due to att pathetic mistake. bash att. not the phone. cause although att lte isnt everywhere by the time it do roll out every where some thing else will be out. so granted if one was to return there device for the skyrocket by the time the lte is rolled out, u should be due for a upgrade anyway. so i say why settle for a faux 4g when u can have lte for a phone with the same specs just about. if u complain about battery life then get a extended battery. i guess what it comes down to is if u a heavy data user go with lte. if not then stick with gs2. regardless developers are gonna be every where. some more then others but they will always be there. one thing i will say is Exynos processor is nice. but if it has the tmobile galaxy s2 processor u should be more then fine. cause i tried all the gs2 att tmobile sprint. and no lag whats so ever on either so i dont really see the big beef. talk about the underlining factor. do u want to be on 3g for 2 years. or lte for 2 years. thats the bottom line
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] akira02rex:
I upgrade well before the two year mark.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Weezal657:
I would kind of agree, if I am tied to a contract I would like to have one of the latest phones for the network that is still a quality phone. My only thing is how supported is that phone going to be over the next 2 years for updates. Sounds like the i777 is going to be pretty updated, through the devs at least, whereas the skyrocket.... who-knows.

My biggest dilemma is to get the skyrocket or sII through ATT(since I am grandfathered with the unlimited plan) or hold off and jump on the Nexus bandwagon through Verizon. At least with the Nexus, since it is a Google-centric phone, it will get most of the latest updates through google or devs here for the next couple years and has better hardware then the Skyrocket. It is just tough to wait it to come out....