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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
the best of my 13 android phones I have remaining is an S2. I have a phone obsession. I also have 11 wp7 devices. The gs2, while better than most, still lags. There's actually a comparison video between the s2 and the lumia800 and it's pretty funny to watch the responsiveness difference and the lag. The only benefit the gs2 is slightly faster at rendering like 2 out of the 3 web pages tested. Wp7 pretty much dominated in every other sense.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
I don't know about others, but I find the WP UI blunt and dull.

I have no better way to explain it, but the home screen looks too boring. Tiles are fine, they are ok. But that's about it. Most of all, if I wanted a restricted system, I would be licking a iphone. Fundamentally WP and iphones are same. MS and Apple decides what's good for me and what I am allowed to do with my device. Difference is that Apple makes it's own hardware (or rather markets it's own hardware), MS depends on other OEM to make the phones. With such a restrictive system (I think they are only allowed to use Qualcomm SoC) and lack of multi-tasking, every windows phone will be generic without much differentiation. Only people using WP are either MS employees or MS fans.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] knipp21:
Ok even if it is "faster" your definition of lag seems loose. I can only tap so fast and if it pops up a millisecond faster...I don't give a crap cause of everything else this OS offers.. but don't tell me my phone lags when I'm using it right now with 0 lag..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
Outrageous!!

hmm.. a dead OS running on a hardware of a dead company
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
wp7 offers a more fluid and dynamic UI rather than the static crap on iOS, they offer hardware differentiation, they offer better dev tools. IOS has 2 benefits, marketing, and app catalogue. Both of which Nokia is largely remedying. Also, wp7 has multi-tasking.

Anyway, I thought my devices were lag free too. I took a one week wp7 challenge. After the week i tried going back to android and the quality was downright offensive.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Better dev tools...but 200 apps? Now that is the only thing downright offensive!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
no, that is responsiveness. Lag is largely in the UI and scrolling through a lot of text. Again, I didn't realize it til I'd used better.

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200 apps? I'm talking about WP7, not MeeGo.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
That was obviously an exaggeration. You are a quick one. Simple OS for a simple man...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] :
English language is not my forte. What you mean by dynamic UI? It's a static UI as far as I can see. All devices have the same UI. It does not change from that metro look. Hell, even the font is same in all the phones. This plain sucks. It challenges the basic human instincts of creativity and change. The only difference between WP and iOS is the hardware manufacturer. WP is a walled-garden just like iOS. More like a walled-desert compared to iOS at this point.

Why do you think XDA has become synonymous for Andorid development? People like creativity and differentiation.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Lowandbehold, the 200 apps you mentioned is the amount mentioned earlier for meego hence my thinking you were referencing it. That's called a logical train of thought. Windows Phone's app market has grown notably faster than android did.

@rdnest, wp7 has a very dynamic UI thanks to the live tiles. Currently I have 16 tiles on my home screen. 8 are visible right this moment, of those 8 4 are constantly changing. There is nothing static about the aesthetics of the UI or how it flows. Honestly though, that's what I thought before using wp7.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] russ18uk:
My 99p calculator's UI flies. Wp7 is for people who ride the short bus. In fact rename it Fisher Price Phone.

Am I doing it right?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pimppoet:
Exactly...ms hasnt marketed on the iphone level & will never be able to because when some people hear ms they think pc=too techie. I truthfully feel wm would sell more than wp7 if it had todays hardware & current support that ms provides to wp7. I could never understand the android hate from former wm users when its basically an updated wm. Wp7 seems smooth the lil bit of time I played with it but when it runs smooth with great battery life with all the new wp7 features,old features of wm, & the basics of feature phone than Ill be sold on it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Kailkti:
Lawl that is the irony of ms. They could make such a efficient and performing smartphone OS, yet windows is still poo. It'll eat up your resources like a hungry man at a all you can eat buffet. If he's full, he'll still eat. If foods done, he'll ask for more. Anyways done with my off topic rant.

$1 gets you a reply
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cobraboy85:
Oh my gosh I lawled so hard at this
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
Microsoft surely has the resources to, starting from scratch, make an unparalleled operating system. But keeping in mind that they are a business—and profits do matter—it's not likely they would throw away the time and money to do this. Thus, we are left with new renditions of the renowned and thoroughly loved (:p) Windows.

I couldn't agree more though. I fear that, to make Windows the best operating system that Microsoft could offer, you'd have to not only change Windows, but change capitalism as we know it. Good luck. ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Kailkti:
I know. Hence why wp7 took so long, and that was just a smart phone os. And you are right though, the current situation does not allow for ms to remake "windows". Maybe the day will come when a new OS takes over. Hardly plausible right now though, unless we make the entire populace realize the faults of windows which in turn should create a desire for something new.

$1 gets you a reply
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
cheers lol
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] russ18uk:
The faults of windows is more the technology it's built on: CISC architecture. The other main issue is compatibility with hardware. Again, the vast array of hardware and this windows' faults are Android's positives: not being locked to one specific template - a la Apple.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] PersianSphinx:
firstly ive had a symbian OS phone and know many friends that have it and also my dad has one so i cant go wrong there, my symbian was really lagless and smooth and everything was ordered pretty neatly. win 7 i dont love but that is a matter of my personal taste. i also found it to be worse than android on the few occasions that i got my hands on it to call/play games on :)

so i think i know what im talking about

also the fact that nokia is crap is overall, the quality of the nokia products ive used has dropped from great in the times of the old E-series (e51 dor example which ii think wasnt all that bad in its own time) the really bad in the times of n97 which looks epic but its really fragile, doesnt have the best battery life ive seen (still better than n96 tho) and now the n8 has a way better software/hardware but the symbian is definitly a ripoff android/iOS (but ill shut up about this because you already said symbian sucks anyway)

im not fishing for thanks i couldnt care less about it, what use is it to me?

i would need donations more but i didnt even add a bank account here so none of that :)

dont cuss SE like that!!! eperia arc/ray are epic and so is the xperia play!!! x10 was released with android 1.6 or something like that so it is decently old!!! if you wanna talk about x10 you should be comparing it to n97 man :D

how did you relate me liking the nokia n8 case to your tweaking of your phone??????????

but were not here to fight, just friendly debates. hope you have some fun times my friend :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Turducken:
These smartphones are like flatscreen TVs were 10 years ago.

If you want to get what you pay for, wait at least 5 years.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] negrobembon:
Man, hard to beleive people who that android is laggy and unresponsive

I own an x10 and the only lag ive seen is when i just turn it on, havent had any freezes whatsoever and only one app has force closed on me and the phone always stays on(i turn it off once a week or two)

And thats an old phone with very low ram

Although i must admit ive tweaked it
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Manuel91:
haha I like ur quest. ...I came also from nokia-symbian to htc-android and dat was also one of my first quests. , to myself...y cant android and co. build OS like symbian dat uses less power and where u have only to charge every 3-5days or something like that and not like me now ever 1/2-1 1/2 day(...depends on the rom which i use)...but soon after playing around with android(for example) u get to know the differences compared to symbian...to be honest i loved nokia and his phones but hated symbian because it was to slow and u where not able to do much with the OS and thats the difference compared to Android...and even if i have to charge my phone every day or every second day now i still love the Android OS and to play around with it and to change rom when i am getting bored with the look and all...and the other cause y i began to hate symbian where the missing apps...when my friends had great apps and games on their Android dev. or Iphone...i had nothing...and now only the noki navigation app is what i miss...it was really so great...

and i feel sorry for nokia that they had now a great OS the Meego and the N9... what a device...played around with it two days ago...and the only minus a found was the keyboard...dont like it ...but the rest was great...even if u feel that the OS is not in his final stage and there are still missing things...u also feel at the same time with small modifications...it can be one of the best ever...and i dont understand nokia...not continuing with meego beside WP7....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
I've been using the Omnia 7 for a while now, and i must say that tiles aren't bad, they are actually more functional than most widgets on Android. Also, the phone part is very well done and the audio quality while playing music through my earbuds is better than what i get from my GS2. Anyway, after enjoying the "peace of senses" brought to me by this fully optimized OS, in 2-3 weeks i started getting bored a little. Not by the ui or anything in particular, just bored. I was actually missing my games and surprisingly enough the ability/need of tweaking the phone. While my Omnia felt like an object (which should be totally fine for most people) my GS2 felt more like a puppy to be raised and fed. I simply realized that tweaking my phone is too fun, even though Android makes me rage at times: all in all the time i lose messing around with the phone is not wasted to me, because it's actually time i spend doing something i like.

Long story short, now my GS2 is my daily driver back again, but i still carry the Omnia with me because it's an excellent music player. Now this is how i personally feel about it, as i'm a very specific kind of human being. On the other hand, i'm truly convinced that WP7 offers a much better product for regular users and especially for those who want a fully reliable PHONE, and a good performer right out of the box. Just too bad most of them will never come to know it because there's not much hype about it. Anyway, let's hope that Nokia drags some people on this platform, so that we can have loads of fully optimized iOS quality games and loads of well done apps in the market. If this happens i'll be definitely switching to WP7 at some point in time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] akbisw:
first tried wpym7 in my hd2 it was amazing. Absolutely amazing. I'm using mytouch 4g now I get 24hrs battery with derekjays Pyramid Rom. Its smoother than I ever expected.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hazard99:
I guess I am a sub standard user because anything else ive tried I lost intrest in. I used a microsoft reps windows phone a while back and just got really bored with the plainess. I do however suggest it to people who want smart phones. I just want something I can toy with and tweak... cause if i cant mod it I dont want it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] razorrhyme:
android rules over symbian or win mobile
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jaunzems:
After a week, z33 is still trolling.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Hunt3r.j2:
To respond to the OP, I'm running a Desire HD, which is rather notoriously crap in the battery life department (1230 mAh battery and a 4.3 inch screen do not mix well), and yet I can easily eek out 2 days of battery life with a Sense ROM, and overclocked to 1.3 GHz. If I stay in a good signal area, I'd easily get more like 2.5 days of good use.

If I use GPS and flashlight heavily all that goes out the window and I can only really hope for about a day to half a day of battery life.

Of course, if you really want good battery life and a great phone, the Samsung Galaxy SII with the 2000 mAh upgraded battery and a stock++ ROM that really optimizes everything will probably last days.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
What do you expect from our resident troll? :P

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
His opinion is not the same as mine? Clearly trolling.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
You relentlessly try to justify your own view by whoring attention. I'd consider that trolling.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
No concern for attention, back on topic though. The polycarbonate unibody on my new Nokia Lumia 800 is superb. I have honestly never held a device that feels so high quality. It really is a simply outstanding device. The sound quality is great, the transitions are much smoother than some other WP7 devices, even the glass on it seems a higher grade. Your finger slides over it much easier than the Dell, HTC, or Samsung counterparts. Nokia knows how to build a quality device.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
I'm interested in this device for a friend, I just... I wish I could view your posts as not being a troll. But alas, I cannot. :o
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Well, I can only suggest trying it when it comes stateside in like... 3-4 months? Either way, it's an outstanding device, much higher quality than the other WP7 devices I've tried.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Build quality? Check out any of HTC's aluminum unibody phones. Sound quality? Ha, don't even try that route. The wolfson DAC in the Samsung galaxy phones is the best of the best. Fully fit for an audiophile such as myself. Nokia can't hold a candle to that. Go to any audiophile forum and you will see that the DAC in the galaxy phones with voodoo sound is highly regarded as the best sound quality of any smartphone.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
So after reading reviews on your wonderful nokia ipod looking thing, all I am getting is that it is the N9 without the best features of it. Less RAM, smaller screen, no LED notification light and a flimsy cover on the USB port...sounds really sweet.

The reviews also mention lag when using programs such as music or Nokia Drive. To quote you..."how is life with lag". The battery is pretty lame, said to die by evening with frequent to heavy use. During testing they had issues with random reboots and the charger not charging the phone...sounds wonderful. Overall they said to get an HTC Titan. Have fun with your new toy!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
Oh god, I love you. Samsung Galaxy S is definitely amazing in the audio department. It's awesome hearing this, as no one seems to even mention it. Your phones' audio is awesome? Yeah, yeah... I'm sure it is. :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
I've said many times, HTC uses outstanding parts and haphazardly tosses them together. I for one don't enjoy aluminum unibodies as they tend to scratch and dent easily and are often painted making this all more notable. I can't use HTC, their phones feel ready to fall apart at any point and just overall terrible quality.

Yes, you're reading reviews on some of the most clearly biased sites out there. I haven't experienced any lag with drive, haven't tried Nokia Music but I'll check that out tonight. After downloading my maps there has been no issue whatsoever. The screen honestly isn't any harder to use than the titan's, actually easier. The glass feels tempered better and is much easier to glide across. I am charging my phone for the first time, I received it yesterday at noon and have been using it hard in all my waking hours. Actually 4 of those hours were streaming Netflix. I haven't had any of those issues. Quite frankly, I can only assume that the sites were android biased, (actually I know 3 of the sites who've posted reviews are, namely engadget.) I haven't had any sort of issues with the phone, runs infinitely smoother than either my titan or my dell venue pro, my previous daily drivers. Watch the GS2 vs Lumia 800 video though, it's a laugh. He's trying to show that the GS2 outperforms the Lumia and the results are pretty comical. The only lacking feature that I wish they'd carried over is a FFC.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
So I can call your Android lag arguement **** because I personally don't experience it? Youre a hypocrite sir.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
When the smoothness of an OS is one of its hugest highlights then you calling it lag is funny. Lag is one of androids biggest complaints.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Says who... you? Wherever you got that info is probably just from "some biased site" anyways... right?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] donsh00tmesanta:
WP7 is surpsingly smooth and so fast......I'd love to try meego since it looks awesome.

Hopefully ICS will make Android super smooth.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Says pretty much everyone but you, xaccers, and a few others. The issue is real, if you don't complain about it then they have no reason to resolve it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
So z33 is called a troll while this "helpful" comment is even thanked, really nice: this pretty much explains what the xda community came to. And nobody takes a second to say it's bull, gg guys...what's the point in having the freedom that android can grant when you're a brainwashed sheep? :rolleyes:

Android clearly isn't as smooth as WP7, end of the story. Why would they need to add hw acceleration (coming with ics) if it was smooth already? This isn't a deal breaker to me so i still prefer it, but come on people, stop making fun of yourselves...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Slack Babbath:
My experience with android has been very smooth thus far. Easy to customize, can vastly improve existing features quickly (including battery life and speed) and rarely ever crashes (not once yet). What's not to like?

Sent from my HTC Sensation
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] reddevil117:
The best camera is the one you have.

You have lag, root the Damn thing and it be quick as road runner.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
I'm not talking about being quick, ofc androids are lightning fast with their godlike hardware, the problem is that they don't use it to its fullest because of the lack of optimization. This isn't killer if you aren't picky (and you are on a higher end phone), but the issue is definitely there: just ask yourself why the iPhone 3gs is buttery smooth with the specs of a Galaxy 5, a low end android phone which is so slow that it's almost unusable...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] reddevil117:
Solution : ICS with hardware acceleration.

Let android evolve.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Hunt3r.j2:
Cyanogen Mod ICS should fix the good majority of your complaints. ;)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
If this happens for real, and the hw acceleration is implemented well, i can't really see myself leaving Android in quite a while. Sure Apple will always be the best platform for mobile games, but they're just games after all: we should eventually grow up at some point :rolleyes:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ekamsaral:
I think z33 does have a point on the lag and the fps part. There are several reasons for this. One of them is optimization.

The other is the customization or the freedom. Compare some on-rails game with an open world game. You will see that the fps and smoothness are better on the on-rails game. Same goes for android and w7.

Lastly I'd also say that android is quite young. Windows releases several versions already up to 7. IOS will release the 5th. Android will come to it's 3d?? version now (not taking in account the 2.x versions).

I'm going to stick with android. W7 is just so boring, the interface makes me sleepy. Apple stuff are overpriced. I'm not stupid enough to pay double the price when I can get the same for half the price just vecause there is an apple on it.

Nokia quality has always been good and their blackberry phones are still seen often where I live. Main reason why I didnt buy Nokia phones were their design. Way too functional and always that grey. Good thing they came with more colors this time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
Man, WP7 is absolutely brand new, it doesn't share a line of code with either Windows 7 or WinMo 6.5. This means it's actually younger than Android. Anyway i get what you say about on-rail games: even accelerated Android will always be less smooth and refined, but hopefully ICS will be a good compromise.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] soyef:
WM OS was a mobile OS, so windows phone 7 is not new, regardless of the shared code

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] JPeterson66:
Every person has their own style
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jaunzems:
Z33. I love WP7 as a platform, but you still are trolling, because you think that WP7 is the only choice and Android is trash. It may be bad in fulfilling your needs, but Android is great for us, XDA community. But you are very like these fanboys from MacRumors.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
THIS MAKES ME LAUGH!!! It's kind of like when you say that EVERY bad thing about Android affects every user. There you go z33. Not everyone has lag or force closes. This tester had it with the Nokia 800, but yet you say you don't. I purposely posted that to GENERALIZE the experience of the 800. Generalizing is exactly what you do in every one of your posts when debating with another user. Maybe you should live up to the fact that not everyone has the same issues with their phone. "How is life with lag?" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh, also this review was from an anti-android site that gave amazing reviews to the N9...