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[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
But as I saw somebody post yesterday, can't remember who, I think he was a Japanese dev tsuyo.kou, one of the biggest problems is going to be with the kernal. We have 2.6.29 modded by SE to include teethering and such like, 2.6.29 is very old, they are having problems in just making 2.6.32 and only just been able to get it to boot and nothing else. Ics is based on 3.xx kernals, think about that. If somebody does port it over it will take a very long time and that's if they can even get it to work. I don't mean to sound unoptimistic or piss on anybody parade but if you desparetly want ics upgrade your device (like me) and pray fxp and team can get it to work. I have good faith in the team, they are masters at what they do but there is only so far you can take an old device with old hardware etc etc There is much much more to this than just CPU and gpu but other much more tricky things like as I mentioned kernals but also screen Res as ics is designed to work with 1280 x 720, perhaps that's easier to sort I don't know. Put it this way, it wouldn't suprise me if by the time the fxp team get it ported and running there will be newer Os and another Gen of devices and you lot will scream for more. I'm not taking credit from fxp and team, this is just being realistic. I think really this thread should be closed *cue mod intervention*

Follow developemt for android 4.0 here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1309911
[XPERIA X10 General] tsuyo.kou:
My ported kernel 2.6.32-9 works very slow because KGSL driver(hw acceleration) can't work.

I'm a beginner about kernel porting.

So it only might be difficult to solve it.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
backstab is laggy as sh!t on x10.....

The gpu is pretty poor, you can try to deny it all you want, but it is outdated.
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Your doing a great job I'm sure, far more than I could ever dream of trying, I give you credit from taking on such a challenge and wish you the very best of luck! Like I said I'm not trying to step on peoples toes here just trying to keep it realistic for us non developers :)
[XPERIA X10 General] anakinlam95:
could u post 2.6.32 kernel on the dev page

i would like to try

i really appreciate ur hard work
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Awesome work, mate! :)

But wouldn´t it be a good idea to work together with some of the other developers like DooMloRD, and Co.? Perhaps this leads faster to a success.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
p.s.- ics isn't designed to work at a certain screen res :S

It will be running at all kinds of different resolutions, that's part of the whole point of it
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Your right there, I was getting kind of carried away there. Obviously an update to ics isn't suddenly going to make your phone have HD resolution, unless of course your name is tripnraver :D I was watching some video all about the nexus, this presentation thing by Google bosses and Samsung boss bloke and it said it was designed to run at HD resolution not exclusively at HD. Meh
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Tripnraver to the rescue
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Guys!

Can anyone try to ask J that what's his plan and how much we can hope for fxp team?!

thanks!

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you say everytime: update your phones but there is no much time I had bought a X10 and I cant buy a device every 3 month...I choose android because everybody says android is open source and android for all of people...if I knew this is android that i must upgrade my phone every3month I never did think about android...so I could choose BADA....

by the way if anyone are going to leave x10 ,dont mind...I will release all the 4,5,6kernels and ics to my x10 by myself alone , because I love x10! and plz dont think guys I am TripNRaver!
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
since when open source & android for everyone means your phone will get updates until the day it dies & won't boot ? since when it means no need to upgrade your phone? and every three months? you mean you bought X10 three months ago? well sorry buddy but if you want to be up to date withe latest OS & bought X10 three months ago you have no one else to blame but yourself, You made a mistake
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Dude iv had my x10 since summer 2010, my first and only android so far. Upgrading device really isn't nessesary every 3 months and I don't have the money to either. Thing is official updates from Sony stopped at 2.3.3 which was delivered in the summer. I get the feeling you arrived at the x10 party late as other people are upgrading due to age and specs moving on and a whole host of reasons. How long ago did you get yours?
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
in his defense though, the constant android updates has posed a huge issue, with a lot of consumers getting screwed.

Something definitely does have to change imo. They need to slow down a little bit after ics.

Otherwise he is right, you basically will need a new phone every few months to even keep up
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Today I was looking around on XDA what is going on with ICS ports on other devices. First of all I checked devices with similar hardware like the Nexus One and HTC Desire. But when you compare the activity with a newer, popular device like the HTC Desire HD it becomes so much obvious that the main problem isn´t the hardware but more that most devs moved on to these newer devices imo.

For me it is curious that although ICS sources are released for less days and no one could really try it out on older devices you can read statements like this (#42). Somewhere else, when I remember that right, it was another dev of Cyanogenmod said that even at least 512mb RAM and a good GPU could be the minimum requirement. Especially when Google won´t update Nexus One all devices based on the same chipset could possibly been dropped.

I don´t have the knowledge but when I just see how smooth the latest Google Music app runs on the X10 it is hard to believe that FXP team isn´t able to program a smooth CM9 version :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
I'm affraid I'm going to have to disagree with you there, I think but might be wrong that this person just got an x10 recently, I might be wrong. I'm happy to see android steaming on and yes every few months something big happens but its not complusery to get a new phone every couple of months, around 18 - 24 months is about right, which is about how long a contract lasts and your devices official support for updates carries on with Google and the handset alliance what ever its called for 18 months.

Look at me for example, I'm preordering my nexus and awaiting delivery, and people are on about quadcore in q1 / q2 next year, so by then I wont have the latest and greatest in phone tech anymore and that's just the way the world works espicially in this day and age and being some kind of engineer scooby should know this best of all.

Must we drag this topic out more, really its getting painful....
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
im referring to the average consumer who is buying a phone and seeing no updates whatsoever because android is constantly changing every ten minutes.

I think you totally missed the point of what I wrote. I'm not referring to him,but speaking generally.

A lot of people are spending lots of money on phones only to see them getting left in the dust.

Something has to change, otherwise android is going to fall out of favor with the general public

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Even with this handset alliance, you might not get the update until 6 months after it is released, and by then two new iterations of android have passed.

This isn't a technological issue, it is moreso limited to android.

Don't get me wrong, I love android it will always be my fave Os, I'm simply saying I can understand why people get frustrated...
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Google realized this at the very beginning of 2011 or even earlier, that's why they made contracts with all the manufacturers which forces them to keep the phones updated to the latest version of the OS for at least eighteen months.

Besides, don't forget that Android is still a very young OS that just starts to grow out of its infancy with 4.0. I'm happy that Google released that much updates in the early stages of development and they also announced to slow down development of major updates to one (or two?) update a year. So all the issues you're mentioning are already addressed by Google.

@Amin: You just now bought a phone that was released in the beginning of 2010 and that isn't affected by the new contracts between Google and the manufacturers. You can't argue that this was a pretty late purchase, right? So it's just normal that support for these devices decreases. Lifespan of Android phones on xda tends to be around two years of active development (except for the Nexus devices and the outstanding HD2 which still have a big community due to their dev capabilities), so you can't count on a big development for he X10. It will decrease faster and faster now.

And nobody's talking about upgrading every 3 months, but many here are on the boat since the X10's release, and for these guys, just like me, it's really time to upgrade now.

edit: just read your edit scoopysnacks. You're right about that point and I also can understand that people get pissed by that. But again, Google promised to slow down after 4.0, which is kind of the biggest update Android got since 1.5! I think now we can expect about one update a year and well, the fact that some manufacturers are just stupidly slow with updates is a side-effect of having choices between different brands. Choices - that's one of the problems Apple users will never have ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
slowing down is definitely a good idea imo.

I think ics is definitely android hitting maturity and becoming a truly well rounded Os.

I just know a lot of my friends don't get into tweaking and have been disillusioned by being stuck on 2.1 or 2.2, and have switched to iPhones.

The thing about the alliance is that they have to insure that updates don't get put off as long as possible by each company.

I don't want it to be something just said but not truly acted on.
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Ok Guys I Accepted! But plz think carefully about what am I say:

I saw a PC have a very poor config that blongs to 7years ago: cpu: celeron 2.6 & G card was very poor but I wonder it runs Win7 very nice! it runs win7 as well as xp But it has 7 years old config....(remember imate jam...)

I dont know what is going in other countries but in mine , x10 is one of most popular phones and has many fans till now...if it is android and it is open source , I swear MICROSOFT will kill Android with Windows 8...!Then what's difrences between open source and close source that you say it is IMPOSSIBLE to port 3kernel for x10...

I know if fxp team and other devs work together Nice they can run ics on x10,N1 & desire.

guys plz dont forget that my name is not TrioNRaver!:p

cheers!

:D
[XPERIA X10 General] liwindowsnux:
hope so. and 16M colors display is important!
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
I agree, a lot of propaganda comes from marketing to make you buy a new phone, but people are free to believe in.
[XPERIA X10 General] LJE:
I agree to a point

it also looks like some skilled motherf***er might still be messing around with N1....

I just read that N1 has a working ICS AOSP..

as well as HTC desire..

Maybe there is hope?

Lets face it, everyone that has had their opinions so far (neg and pos) are only opinions/speculations.

The truth is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
"Free open source" just refers to the freedom to copy and use the software for both the phone manufacturers and phone users, and making the source code available.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open_source_software
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
based off of the computer simulation, and it has no hardware acceleration..
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...aosp-based-builds-arrive-for-various-devices/

LOL!
[XPERIA X10 General] rasoooli:
i think so
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
16M colours

Why are people still going on about 16M colours. The x10 will not get it. So why still dream. I hate to say it but the x10 is old now and is dying out slowly but efficiently. If your upgrade is soon then I suggest getting the arc s. I have it and it is great. Also have the RAY which is the x10 but smaller with Arc features. Amazing little phone. Now the x10 is having tests done to it. I spoke with my mate whilst I was on my ban and he said that he has heard from his collegues at SEUK that tests have been going on. BUT...... It is having many problems. Now..... A rumor is a rumor and I accept that. And I still am in doubt we will get it and only time will tell.

SE or should I say SONY. Have not said is the x10 will or will not get ICS. Which to me says they are doing something with the x10. They have confirmed all 2011 models are getting the update but they have not said the x10 is or not. SO..... This makes me believe there MAY be some hope for the x10 after all but if Google said the the Nexus 1 is not getting the update due to hardware incapabilities which the x10 has very similar hardware.

The conclusion:

The x10 to me will not get the update due to all the incompatible hardware. Also with the fact the x10 is not really in the catagory of getting any more updates. But there may still be hope for you guys. By then my x10 will be completely dead as it is dying on me now.

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] bodomfan:
@blackwatch is the arc s any good? I cant decide between arc or Samsung galaxy s2
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
No Ray is completely small Arc not x10

all hardware inside ray is of arc its not even near to x10

SE have many times said x10 will not get update

Arc is nowhere compared to SGS2

Never get arc if u can get SGS2
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
agreed.. The arc s is literally an overclocked arc.

Not even in the same category as sgs2.

I dont understand the line of thought that because se only said all 2011 devices are getting it and didn't say x10 wasn't that people think that means it may? Lol
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
Could be reversed? lol

lol
[XPERIA X10 General] azeez77:
please please please please please be true lmao
[XPERIA X10 General] Dr.Gonzo105:
Ics is running on htc hero :O
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Yeah it's running on a few devices without hardware acceleration..

Desire, nexus one.

Chances are you'll get a port, just with no hardware acceleration.
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Yes but they said that with the 2.1 upgrade. And ray is more like the x10 in the way it feels. I didnt mean that the ray is the x10 but meant it feels more like an x10 but smaller and with arc features. the ray is a lovely little phone.

Also i dont have the arc. i have the arc s which is way better than the arc as it has a newer and better camera. the screen is better. I know because i put the arc and arc s side by side and the colours were so much better. it has a faster cpu. i know its only 0.4ghz faster but they have made it supercharged and also dual core is so over rated. dual core heats up so much when playing games compared to single core. I have the sensation as well and that sets on fire everytime i play games. Also the phone is way better then the sgs2. the camera tops it all off and also has real like flash. (Red eye reduction) two flashes quickly when photo is taken like a real camera. also the screen is better then S Amoled. again. something else that is over rated. HDMI port for tv. I play my games that way and watch films. Its overall a way better phone than all of the early 2011 devices. the arc s is in my own opinion a way better phone for its era. Now..... its not as there are newer phones that have better hardware but for camera and screen qaulity. the arc is a better device. for cpu a poorer device but still runs like a dual core and qaud or 5 core phones are not needed. it is a phone not a pc.

read the post above your qoute for the arc thing but SE said this last time and they still brought us the update. I already said that i think the x10 wont get it and my main thing was the 16m colours that people are still dreaming over. All i was saying is i can confirm with the OP that there are tests being done and i also stated that a rumor is a rumor and i do belive my mate when he says they are testing ICS on the x10 but i really dont think we or you guys will get it as you are still on a really outdated kernel. 2.6.29 is really old but we all know that ICS can run on it as the emulator (SDK) runs on that kernel.

@the person who asked which phone they should get. I personally would say the arc s if you want it for amazing screen qaulity and amazing picture and video qaulity. but if you want performance and just a good device for updates and speedy firmware then the galaxy nexus which you can import from the uk as we already have the device. and its unlocked to all networks. as far as i know we are the only country that has the galaxy nexus but if anyone has any new info on that then please let me know.

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
lol this post is so wrong...

The screen is exactly the same, so is the camera.

The processor is the same, just over locked.

Dual core is not overrated, people said that with pcs too at first.

Sgs2 destroys the arc or arc s.

Arc overheats more than sgs2... Your theory is wack
[XPERIA X10 General] BinaryXeroMedia:
Well your opinion is yours and mine is mine. I have used the SGS2 and I hated it. I hated the UI I hated the Camera and I hated the look of the Phone. Now the Original Arc I hated. But this Arc S is way better than the Arc. I had the Arc and Arc S side by side and the Arc S had a much crisper look to it and the colours were more vibrant. Also the camera quality on the Arc S was better as the Camera is newer. Also the Arc S loads way faster than the Arc. Overall the Arc S is much better than the Arc. Also the SGS2 is from the past. It will die out quickly like its older brother. Also if you want a SGS then you might as well wait for the Galaxy S 3 which is supposed to come with a 1.8ghz dual core processer. Which really isnt needed for playing games that dont need the that much processer. Anyway thats just my opinion. With the SGS3 I dont know if that is true but that is what Someone at one of the Mobile Phone Stores said. Personally I dont care. I have the Nexus S and if anyone says that the Nexus S is better than the Xperia Devices needs help. It isnt. It is probably the most buggy device made by Google reason why there was so many updates for it. 2.3.7. Really?!?!?! That tells me that there was so many problems with the device. Which is not a good thing.

Anyways. Im finished with my opinion. I made my point. And like I said. I dont think the x10 will get ICS.

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Dude, no offence, but I have to agree with scoobysnacks. There's no difference between Arc and Arc S besides the overclocked CPU and the USB on-the-go feature.

If you see any difference in camera or screen quality it is most definitely your personal imagination. Again, no offence meant.

Comparison of specs for Arc / Arc S here

There are no details about which screen or camera is used exactly, but show me one page that tells anything about an improved camera or screen compared to the original Arc.

Plus, if SE would've changed anything besides CPU, the would've made some heavy promotion about these improved features, believe me.

And seriously, design is a matter of personal taste. But besides design, the SGS II kills the Arc in every aspect, including every-day performance as well as camera and screen quality! Have you ever seen a picture comparison of both phones?

Picture comparison
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I don't know what comparison you were looking at, but the link you provided shows many differences in camera features, processor, data speed and android version, and so on.....Also, everything is not hardware related..we all know that.

Just saying :)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
you're right about data speeds I forgot about that.

The camera features were all software from the higher androld version, and were ported to arc.

Go check the forums.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Yeah, sorry about data speed, I completely overlooked that. But other than that, I can't see any differences in terms of hardware.

- MSM8255T is just the name for the overclocked MSM8255, no other difference whatsoever

- different camera features are all software-wise. And since both phones run 2.3.4 at the moment, there are no more differences in these features ;)

- different Android version: they're both running 2.3.4 now AFAIK

Still I gotta admit that my link was not the best to prove my point :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
I haven't seen either, but image stabilization and video stabilizer on arc s should theoretically provide better pictures than arc, which those features are not listed.

My main point is that even if they had identical hardware and android versions doesn't mean they would perform the same. Look at stock 2.3.3 vs wolf's modified 2.3.3. They could have tweaks that aren't representative of the comparison list you linked.

For example, supposedly the X10 digitizer can handle true multi touch with the right drivers. If that is true, you can argue major differences between x10 handsets with and without the right drivers even though the hardware and android versions are the same.
[XPERIA X10 General] Dr.Gonzo105:
Is this thread for ics discussion? o_O
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
The thing is, do you think SE would implement such tweaks to a stock firmware? You can't compare stock firmwares to custom brewed roms.

In terms of potential if you are modding the phone, both have the same potential.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure, Arc and Arc S are running the same firmware build, too. So no different tweaks here ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
U can flash arc S ftf on arc and make it arc s if i m not wrong
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
This has nothing to do with opinion...you can't fight fact, and that fact is you're experiencing mega placebo.

The camera is exactly the same in both.

The screen is exactly the same in both.

The processor is different so yes, it might be faster.

And seriously? The SGS2 is old? Wut.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
No the processor is also the same in arc and arc s

Its just Overclocked
[XPERIA X10 General] agentJBM:
Then wouldn't that be a tweak?

Also, aren't some of the firmware numbers the same for the X10 and X10 Mini & Mini Pro? The build number is the same, but there are differences and device specific.
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
who said it wont work ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsOFn4YLvZU
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
One question, when u add this line in thw build.prop

( Render UI with GPU

Code: debug.sf.hw=1)

Isnt it the same(or close) to hwaccelaration?

If it isnt sorry for my ignorance, just that after adding this my phone feels like an iphone
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Placebo effect..

The is has to actually be written to support hw acceleration

when you use a device with hw acceleration for a bit you do notice a huge difference.

That's a huge part of why ics is such a big step for android.

I can't wait to try it out, preferably on a nexus ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] negrobembon:
Then it must be the windows manager code but my phone is really fast and smooth and my stuttery scrolling dissapeared

Ive used phones with hwa(iphone,htc hd7) and they are as smooth as my x10 and sgs(the x10 does have its crappy moments but a lot less)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
i dunno, I had an incredible s which way much smoother than my x10 and my wp7 phone is still much smoother.

I definitely notice a huge difference from hwa..

It just appears much more fluid.

Ics should sort that out though, I feel like this is a huge step for android