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[Windows Phone 7 General] SR1738NX:
Personal opinion. I am exactly at middleground and will be until something is released to give me more interest. I love my pc. Dualbooting betwen ubuntu, windows 7 and windows 8. However, this isn't a pc. Its a smartphone, and its just that. You seem to be wanting more out of this device, which Im not sure what that might be? Its fast. Never laggy. Theres times where I wish I had an android so i could customize the ???? out of it to my preference, but thats not windows phone 7 is all about. As the commericals say, spend less time on your phone, and more time doing what you want/love/whatever. I am a 17 year old who is looking to constantly learn more about anything electronic. My HTC Surround? It has problems, well more like issues that cant be fixed at the moment. From time to time it will have networking problems, headphone problems and even screen lockups when connecting to a charging cord. However, thats nothing different from the issues of other android cellphones I had. To be honest here though. I love it 50% and hate it 50%. Something as small as transparent live tiles and a custom picture background; will in fact make me love this little piece of heaven. But! thats just me.

So to end what i've said, It is an amazing OS aswell as amazing devices that get shipped with it. I just don't think people are ready to accept it and move on from the traditional windows mobile 6.5, android, and dare I say it... that iphone crap. :(

Its great, it really is. But if you don't like it, problem solved dont use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mr_Waffle:
Same, even though push notifications seem to be near instant for me since Mango came along. Battery indicator seems to be troubling every now and then, but pulling it out and recharging it a few times works for me.

I honestly don't get why people complain about it. If you don't like it, don't get it. Simple as that.

If you don't like your cheeseburger with cheese, don't complain that it has cheese and get a regular burger.

I got a WP7 because I wanted to try something different. I ended up loving it.

But that is just me...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lip:
I would suggest it's people like yourself, that seem to care too much about a gadget, that are the problem.

I don't post all that much but to speak like this forum is somehow different than the other 10000000 forums in the world on different subjects from real cars to gaming systems to political discussions, etc...

I think some just get too excited because they can hide behind their computer...

Seriously, it's a gadget.

I love WP7...I've had them all. It works for me. If it doesn't work for you, why bother posting in these forums?

I personally don't like Android...I occasionally read the forums but rarely if ever post in them.

Anyway...to each his/her own....
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
i do like the OS too. initially, i found it a little constricting in comparison with wm, but realistically speaking, wm is, like what is, a pc in your pocket

wp7, like it's name says, is a phone. i now spend more time in weaver, in pocket ie or reading my pdf files, or simply doing simple work on my 7 pro

and no, i won't touch android with a 10 foot pole. 1 thing wm taught me is that fragmentation is a *****. android will feel it soon. i'm impartial towards ios, but there's no keyboard. thats a deal breaker for me.

in summary, with wp7, i feel that i'm using a phone instead of a pc like wm was before. it was fun with wm though

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i wonder who is responsible for the lagging notifications. whatsapp? or ms?
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Yep, it really is getting hopeless.

In my case I love WP7 because it suits me best of them all. But there are definitely things I just want out of my sight: US-only services for example. That is maybe the main reason why WP is being hindered to flourish. Or Nokia doing exclusive things with EA. What is the point of doing that? It produces fragmentation which is absolutely poisonous for WP7 in it's current position.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
im sorry, does the HTC dock produce fragmentation? Just because Nokia provides a higher quality of software services they are held to a different standard? I'm sorry Nokia has faith in this platform... O-0
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
I think XDA is a great place to come together as people who chose WP7 for whatever reason and plan to stick with with it. It shouldn't be the place to criticize and complain and moan and belittle the ones who love their phone.

How about we share tricks and tips? How about workarounds to some limiting feature. For the ones that are adept at coding, how about we crack open wp7 and make it better? Many of these things already exist thankfully as I can now take screenshots, put apps in folders and even video chat with my HD7. Thats what this forum is for, a community for supporters of the platform to enrich each other's experiences.

It shouldn't be a war of words, specs and features. I think if you're not satisfied with how wp7 works

a. sell your phone and recoup some of the cost

b. adopt another platform that satisfies your needs AND/OR

c. visit the official windows phone suggestion forum and vote on the features you wish to see implemented. That there is the correct venue for your discontent.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shadowpunx:
I'm on Android...but that was pretty epic

You should have killed me, when you had the chance
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Personally, the problem I have with the large number of negative posts is that it is unproductive. Unless I'm mistaken, Microsoft don't seem to read this forum.

If people are 'trying to improve the platform', why not post where the Microsoft devs are looking. i.e. here.

http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions

It would be nice if when someone posts on the forum asking for an improvement, they could link to the suggestions box, so people could support the idea in the suggestions box if they liked it.

I agree that the lack of 32GB devices is disappointing and Paul Thurrott called this out last week. Why not be proactive and email or tweet people / companies who can help make this happen, instead of random people from the internet who have little influence?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
when speaking with Marco Argenti i was made aware that at least Nokia reviews the forums.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Pretty sure someone from Microsoft comes here. This site is too frequented to ignore. The issue here is the inability to accept criticism. Some people here have the most ridiculous tantrums whenever they see criticism. They resort to personal attacks right off the bat in a lot of cases. We all seen what happene when the Molly review was leaked. That is how anyone on this site without a shining opinion os wp7 is treated. It really does not matter how valid your point is. You will get lambasted for it.

That is also why we "haters" don't feel the new to go elsewhere just because it hurts your feelings. It has happened so much that we're callous to it now. It's more hilarious than disturbing. I have friends who read the forum and we laugh hysterically at some of the posters here. It is unlike any other community. Android and iOS users are way more mature than wp fans.

I dunno what to say. I got cussed at cause someone wants me to believe they got 21 Mbps speeds on an hd7. You get told to spend $30 cause bing maps is bad. You get told to sell your devices and use something else just cause you have certain issues with the os. Certain users here take it upon themselves to decide what you like and what you'd be better off doing with your devices. It a forum filled with cop-outs and excuses. It's sad.

And the people denying the need for better hardware simply aren't worth discussing it with. They're completely out of touch. The radar has like 15-20% better gaming performance than the hs7 and a newer dual core CPU with a better gpu would probably better that by about that much as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] magicsquid:
Ok cool - thanks for the info.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'd say at least 50 percent of the android posts here are people who come on and say "android r best" or some slackjawed nonsense like that. To say that they're more mature than wp7 fans is laughable. The amount of fanboyism for android greatly supercedes that of WP7 because at least a portion of us wp7 users will admit to the flaws in our OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jerome snail:
I guess you think you are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
I think it does but, Not the OS, just the apps.... I need quailty games that I would want to play on my 360, not just puzzle games. When I look at what iOS has and Android, WP7 is lacking. They have dual core hardware, so they get better games.

The only way it seems to do that is with more powerful hardware...

Besides the lack of Awsome ground breaking games for Xbox live, I love everything about WP7 mango...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I know I am on your list based on our recent interactions and I find this post quite ironic.

Have you ever had anything supportive to say about Windows Phone? Show me 5 posts where you said:

"I like how Windows Phone ..."

Everything you post that I have ever read has been a highlight of the issues of the OS. In an effort not to be misunderstood, your points are sometimes valid but what exactly is the point of coming into a forum daily to highlight all the problems of Windows Phone? I am not saying you should only have good things to say. I am not saying Windows Phone does not have problems. But I think you should take a good look in the mirror too. The OS has its fair share of issues and it is not as "good" as Android or iOS but it is different and progressing. And I think that should be the point of this forum - a place for people to help the OS progress by sharing ideas and criticism. Positive and negative criticism.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
not as good as android? For every plus side android has it's got a fatal flaw. Android is a terrible OS haphazardly tossed together with no concern for user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Both THIS and the OP much sum up my thoughts exactly.

Remember trying to have conversations in grade school, when the mob mentality took over and you were met with things like "nuh uh" or "shut up fart face!"? That's how I feel whenever someone brings up a valid criticism.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
but, correct me if I am wrong (and yes, I am a WP7 supporter fully but), Didn't Android/Google leave it upto the OEM (HTC, Samsung, moto, etc) to create the interface for it ?

and Yes, I have used 3 different Android devices and they all felt differently and just tossed together (HTC was the only one that felt more complete but, still very laggy).
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
perhaps if you guys didn't strictly address the negatives.

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There's a default UI and numerous launchers as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
That's great. but why are you telling me this? go tell it to microsoft. They even have a website dedicated to listening to your feedback!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
That is why I put good in quotations. I was puting myself into the shoes of the people that see it that way.

We are narcissistic and not empathic.

Android is has more powerful hardware, has more capable hardware, and has more apps. There are many sensible people in the Windows Phone forum that understand this. What some people on the "other side" just cannot seem to understand is that Windows Phone is gives a different experience to Android and some people prefer it.

Just like how people feel they are being crucified for pointing out issues with Windows Phone, people feel they are being persecuted for liking Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
so you'd more or less agree that android is sold by hardware and app catalogue to the nerdier bunch anyway? I know amongst some crowds it's a low end iPhone alternative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Well to be honest, the reason I often post "defensive" comments about WP7 is this; almost every thread on this forum is negatively biased against wp7, I now know of two people who have decided not to buy a WP7 device after reading these forums. I and many others enjoy what wp7 has to offer and want it to succeed, my fear is that all the negativity will spread from forums like this and kill the OS leaving me with either the iphone or android to choose from, both of which I don't like, still I suppose that is what will end up happening, ios and android have far too much traction now and far too many people who will defend them come what may. At the end of the day I can't get that worked up about a mobile phone

Until the day Microsoft pull the plug I will continue to enjoy WP7, I hope that those of you who want it to improve will find your desires fulfilled and that you too will continue to use it. When its gone we'll have nothing left to argue about!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
No, I cannot agree with that. Android has the biggest marketshare among all smartphones. It is more appealing to people that are more technical because of its hardware and customisization options.

Honestly, Android is better. Better means that it will appeal to the majority of the consumers. I have owned 2 Android phones and have used many from all the major brands, and a week does not go by without me cursing the phone for poor battery life, force closes, and general instability. Its all good and all to excuse it and say it is the fault of the OEMs and their customizations. But if all the ones I use are not stable, and that is all that is available, then owning a stable, great battery life (without needing a 2000mAH battery) Android phone is like owning a unicorn.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
but the majority are not technically inclined. Having worked at a few retail stores I have seen firsthand that numerous people buy it because they can't have an iPhone or because it's the most widely available and cheapest decent looking phone when you go into any mobile retailer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
Wait a second !!! This is not a discussion forum ? Why are people even posting here ?

Yep, I know about the feedback fourm where you vote for a feature...
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
Honestly people, it is not so much what you say, but how you say it. It really is as simple as that. There will never be a "winner" in a forum debate. If that is what one seeks, they will never find it.

So, bottom line, just try to express your questions/concerns/opinions in a constructive way. Saying that "this OEM" or "that OEM" is clueless is not likely to result in anything constructive. Just keep an open mind and level head. I enjoy debate as much as the next guy, but I know when to walk away.

Life is too short to get so worked up over nothing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jake2046:
haha....this is a classic case of pot calling the kettle black.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This thread was a nice try, but I see the issue the OP bought up is happening yet again. Have a nice time with this one :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] crav4speed:
This thread reminds of this...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
This right here.

Hahah right over his head.

As for the OP, he's got a valid argument for sure. Yet I can understand how tiring it can be if this forum has nothing but negative topics. I get you want the OS to evolve; so do I.

Yet, *****ing about it here isn't going to do much. If you want to vent, I get that too, but again not much gets accomplished. You want the OS to evolve, voice your opinion and get noticed with supporters, blogs, or be the highest ranking suggestion on the uservoice site. These things are way more productive than rubbing elbows with the users on here about the shortcomings of Windows phone. With that said, we've heard it all hundreds of times before from the regulars. On the other hand, those that know someone's gonna talk smack about Windows phone, just don't bother reading the thread.

On a different note, I highly doubt, even with the traffic that someone with clout at Microsoft is really paying attention. Even if they are, this forum only represents a tiny subset of the larger global community they want to target.

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Classic n8ter
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Classic nater would stay to weather the storm, but it's becoming more and more apparent that only the loons hangout here.

I actually had some decent discussions elsewhere. Discussions that would 100% result in flame wars elsewhere. I'll just say my piece here and only respond to and preserve facts. But giving less attention to the bat**** crazy posters here even though they are hysterical.

Read this thread and see 1st hand where the hostility is coming from.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
N8ter, this was a nice try at what? Bridge building? How can you get your audience to listen to you when you are berating them? It is the same thing I complain to you for. If you ridicule someone while making a valid point, it will not be received no matter how right you are.

John, you are an idiot. A blind man wearing dark glasses in the middle of the night can see that 1 + 1 = 2.

Ask yourself, what is the point of engaging someone on a forum if he/she is not receptive to your ideas?

But I have often times believed this is not the intention whatsoever. If it is then you need to learn to go about it another way. Bridge building does not exist in this forum. It is sad really. The forum should be like this:

We cannot use our own ringtones! This is terrible.

Let us figure out a way around this.

Hey Peeps! I found out a registry hack to make custom ringtones available :)

Look, custom ringtones coming out in Mango.

Instead it is:

The OS is the greatest and does not need any improvements.

The OS is utter garbage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jake2046:
Honestly, WPcentral is way more civilize for discussion. There are still ton of complains but the different is they all love the OS and genuinely want it to improve. Not many posters bring in the other 2 big platforms just so they can bring down WP...like many on here do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
imho both sides of this "debate" are seriously annoying :mad:

It gets really REALLY stupid after a while and both sides do the exact same thing they profess the other side to do. And it makes xda totally immature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
I think many of the members here are welcome with feedbacks and criticisms, but in a manner and polite way. See what "those haters" (which BTW i don't think OP is one of them since OP indeed provide some constructive ideas and feedbacks in a POLITE way) saying they are just like they are the superior of all of us and trying to point us out what is good and bad for us, I must say sorry for those haters, you're nothing but just a troll for me, I know well what I need and don't need your guidance, so please either leave this community or write things in a better way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I'm not reading all the bs in this thread, but what I'm guessing was probably intentionally left out is, sure, you're more than welcome to come here and complain how you "can't have a negative opinion" about the OS. You want users who enjoy the OS to be swayed by your negative arguments/criticisms, but, most of the people, N8ter is a prime example, can't take the counter-arguments to the bull****. N8ter will walk into a thread, and bash something because it's "broken" because Microsoft apparently doesn't know how to use their own protocol on the xbox or Windows Phone, yet when you tell him facts, he insults them and calls them stupid, or retarded. It gets to the point that when somebody is trying to have a constructive conversation, most users are just fed up with the crap brought forth by N8ter, doministry, and co.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shadowpunx:
Get an Android powered device,root it and you'll hit the thanks button later

You should have killed me, when you had the chance
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
enjoy your lag and fragmentation :). I for one enjoy a phone that won't be outdated 2 weeks after it's release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
I guess I'm seen as a "hater", as my posts are often negative and I'm been told numerous times on here to shut up, sell my phone and buy an Android.

I do find it strange and agree with the OP's rant; there are some strange posters on here, who seem to be emotionally involved with defending WP7 and Microsoft in general. Anyway to sum my situation:

1) I'm platform agnostic; I've owned an Android phone (sold), Ipod touch (still use) and an HTC Mozart. I don't care about any of the companies or the community, my phone is a tool that does a job, and if it doesn't do it well I'll damn well have a right to say so.

2) I can't "sell my phone", it was a present from my girlfriend and I'm on a contract so I'm stuck with it, like it or not. People constantly telling me to switch platforms isn't in any way constructive or helpful..

3) I like certain bits of the WP7 experience, but other parts frustrate me compared to iOS and Android. Defenders try and make it out like it's black or white; you either love it 100% or you're a hater and should sell your phone. It's not quite that simple.

4) I started out posting on here to get tips and help, but now I often post negative stuff on here because it's an easy way to vent my frustration with the platform. Yes it has been a frustrating experience, moving from folders to a long alphabetical list of apps, or finding out that Bing Maps doesn't work in my region. Strangely I though the place to discuss it would be a community of other WP7 users? Maybe it's time to start a blog or something.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
there's certainly nothing wrong with posting negatives on here but when it's all that you post like n8ter or doministry or other users it does get annoying. With valid complaints, most of us have no problem addressing them. Users like the aforementioned tend to post the same thing over and over again. It's what is considered trolling and it becomes an annoyance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
Then, to keep things fair for all users, would you mind not posting only negative comments about Android? You know, to be fair. :p

EDIT: *COUGH*
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
We aren't going to the Android section and posting these comments, even though I own Android phones, my girlfriend has one, but I don't do it.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The wp7 phones are all outdated before conception. That comment is completely hypocritical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Well if it's a present, what about "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"? :P You're just doing the complete opposite. ;)