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[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gromky:
I'm ready to convert to Android! My current phone is an HTC Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium). Or at least it was, until it was bricked during a failed update (corrupted bootloader). Now I'm using my backup phone, a Chinese "shanzhai" Nokia copy (says NDKLA with the D looking like an O and the L looking like an I). It's time to buy Android!

I loved the Touch Pro 2 because it not only had a touch screen, but a pull-out keyboard as well. I live in China, which means I need the touch screen to write Chinese characters, but for writing English I prefer a real keyboard. I can't stand soft keyboards otherwise I'd get an iPhone. Can anyone recommend a decent Android phone for me?

Considerations:

1) I assume I'll install Cyanogenmod on it, but I don't know how yet.

2) Price isn't too much of a consideration, but I gotta have that keyboard.

3) Asia so it's a GSM phone.

4) Some phones for the domestic Chinese market have wifi disabled, in order to generate more business for China Unicom's 3G service. I can buy from Hong Kong or the Chinese gray market if I want a "real" phone.

5) How's the Chinese (simplified) input method on Android? There were several input methods on WM 6.5, but some of the third-party ones (QQ, A4) remapped the keyboard so that SHIFT and CTRL didn't work correctly.

Thanking everyone in advance to avoid irrelevant "thankyou" posts! ;)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] melvinchng:
5, android can read any language. But if you want to write, you can use different keyboard from market. I'm a Chinese too :). We don't have control and alternate button on keyboard.

You can log in into cyanogen website and check the supported phone

Accidentally sent from my Google Nexus S using XDA Premium
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gromky:
Someone recommended the Xiaomi phone. Does it have English version in the custom OS? Swype? It has a big fat battery and a 1.5GHz processor!

Someone else recommended the HTC Desire Z and Xperia Pro. Any experience with these?
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Got this via PM:

For all the haters: yes, it's still a rumor and even if it's true that they're investigating to upgrade it, they still can decide otherwise. I just wanted to let you know that Sony Ericsson didn't forget about the X10 completely.

I guess we're in the lucky position that the 2011's software is very easy for Sony to port to the X10 and therefore they can try to get some reputation for their improved update policies.

This rumor is coming from the same source that previously announced the Gingerbread update and the first SE dual-core phone "Nozomi" ahead of time, so I'm sure he's not trolling.

So please don't start flaming this post or thread. Everyone can decide for themselves if they want to believe or not. I just thought some of you would be interested and maybe reconsider an upgrade to another phone. (Although I'll probably upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus nonetheless :rolleyes: )

Regards

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] jianlinooi:
hope so.......
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
I don't think the X10 is going to get official Sony ICS because it's an old device (sad but true). Yes SE has committed to the Android Handset Alliance which promised to give its phones 18 months of firmware upgrades whenever a new version of android is released in that period. However they joined the alliance after they released the Arc, so in fact we are already very lucky to get even GB.

Also, the X10 is way more than 18 months old now, which SE/Sony is not obliged to give us ICS (official)

Despite the chances of us getting Sony ICS is slim, we have official CM support now and we can hope that they'll build us an ICS update.
[XPERIA X10 General] sahibunlimited:
If its done than its for their good

Coz SE have a bad reputation for not keeping their phone software updated as they had done to x10 in the past by saying that this phone won't update beyond 2.1 but afterwards gave an update so the ICS update can be for improving their reputation in software updates but I don't believe this O.o
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
I really hope so, but in all reality, rumors are rumors...

*Scooby's coming* :P
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
NOOOOO :D

And yeah, it's all rumors at this point. But I take it for granted that they're really investigating to bring it to the X10 and that they've probably a test device running. Even if you guys don't (and why would you?), I totally trust the guy that told me about it.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Hahaha just coming to say that I don't buy it...

Saw too many of these types of rumors, it just doesn't seem plausible to me personally.

It'd be awesome for you guys though so I'd definitely be happy for you if it happens.
[XPERIA X10 General] sjondenon:
dream further......
[XPERIA X10 General] princemarcus19:
Well we see what happens hopfully it does cause am not buying another phone yet ,i intend to ride my x10 out fully till it die out ,get my 500 bucks worth it shiiiiiit lol, if it don't happen well that xperia duo looks pretty sweet but umm i 'll wait for reviews first before i actully buy a damn sony phone again.
[XPERIA X10 General] anakinlam95:
im relli gonna buy se phones for rest of my life if they do so
[XPERIA X10 General] Z3US911:
something to cheer with, for x10 users!

:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] cikomiko:
well it would make sense, the xperia is maybe almost 2 years old but still more worth than xperia play, neo (v), ray.

this means there is still some demand for our lovely rachael :D
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
How is it worth more than those?

It sure isn't where I'm from lol
[XPERIA X10 General] cikomiko:
I didnt check every shop, but on Amazon Germany it is more expensive by ~ 20-30 euros
[XPERIA X10 General] ZeToken:
I don't see X10 is more expensive than Arc or Ray... They all are about 1-30€ for new subscriptions ;) .

Xperia X10 is now a collector, but a very good one with android 2.3.3... (dreaming of v4)
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
That's retarded imo...

Performance wise any of those would whoop its ass.
[XPERIA X10 General] danielk0302:
theres still hope, but i think our amazing devs will pull something off anyway
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
That's for sure, and they'll be hell of a lot faster than SE :D But I think it would be great if this info turns out true because we'll get the proper drivers for a bugless ROM with all things working ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] cikomiko:
I meant the hardware price, ie Xperia play 278 euros, x10 313 euros
[XPERIA X10 General] Pawnty:
More like something to give us hope for that likely won't happen.

By the way guys I heard from a friend of a friend who heard from a very reputable source that the X10 would continue to be supported until at least Android 6.0 O_o. rumors are such an easy thing to make up.
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
hmm I didn't even know the meaning of berk & had to google it:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=berk

why you're so offensive? being a mod give you that right?
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
XDA has put up a no BS left behind policy and has instructed MODs to be more aggressive.

For some of us find pleasure in the trolling arts.. and it's just not welcome at XDA anymore..
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
well I wasn't asking you but anyways I was having a normal discussion & just responded to someone who was making fun of others & was personally attacking someone, I think I shouldn't have been called a berk for that, be it a mod or anyone else
[XPERIA X10 General] AyDee:
Last part of the definition:

More of a poke than a stab, really...

& antagonizing mods isn't the best idea if you want to stay at xda

@all:

Having the last word doesn't win an argument/debate. I avoid arguing by knowing my opinions are logically sound and knowing I don't give a flying f*(k what anyone else thinks or says. :D

We have a few pet trolls here (which is odd for a forum, I know...) but we all know what they are going to say and when. My advice is just don't feed them and you'll see they get bored pretty quickly. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] riginal:
I was antagonizing mods? not really, I just felt a bit offended but never mind I guess you're right, Hope I don't get banned hehe

I agree with the rest of your post but sometimes it's just really hard to ignore (& that's considering you didn't mean me in those pet trolls hehe)
[XPERIA X10 General] OmegaRED^:
Not fighting.. just informing.
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Don't take it out of context, it was not meant at you personally I think he meant on a whole as in the group of us and espicually those involved in arguements. Berk just means along the lines of being stupid / silly and it was kind of petty. Like I say first nothing meant at you just as a group of people the comment was directed towards.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
As long as the source code isn´t released no one can answer that I guess :rolleyes:

Besides, the X8 has only 128 MB storage, 168 MB RAM and I think the less internal memory is the real bottleneck for ICS that even N1 won´t get it officially. BTW did you read that too? ;)

The X10 has enough internal memory and when Google´s announcement is true and all Android 2.3.3 running devices should be able to run ICS as well CM9 should work. I think it is more the question how smooth it´s running because the unknown variable is hardware acceleration. But I can´t imagine that regular apps, their drawing operations and ICS in general will stress the GPU more than some available games for X10.

Just wait and see :p
[XPERIA X10 General] hon kin:
I think so too, but X8 is kinda getting more and more support from the crowd recently, i think they will get some unofficial port too... =)
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
X8 specs are only good enough for 2.3, as J posted in their section saying that due to hardware limitations there won't be any weekly for X8...

As for the X10, I am still not certain whether the graphical acceleration is compulsory or optional. It would of course be good news if it's optional since devs can do a clean port or direct CM support. However if it's compulsory it would mean that it's almost mission impossible for us due to the crappy GPU we have comparing to other devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I could be totally wrong, but a gpu that can handle 2D games like angry birds smooth and fast should also be able to handle and accelerate the animations of the UI, right? Correct me if I'm talking bs.

Didn't hear any news about official update btw.

Regards

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Depends because now it has to handle that stuff AND the acceleration of the UI.

Time will tell...
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I'm pretty sure the UI won't be accelerated when another full-screen app is running ;) Would be a waste of resources and a pretty bad coding of the UI.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
not necessarily a game but if the UI isn't in memory you'll get constant redraws..

I'm just saying, the x10 was laggy with timescape, and this could be even more graphically intensive.

I'm done arguing, there's no sense until it is actually released as no one knows for sure either way
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
How about AOSP roms such as CM? They are just 'barebones' so they should use less resources than any factory firmwares...

Just want to hear your opinion on this, no intention of starting a flame-war.
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
True, but our GPU is pretty 'barebones' as well...
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
I agree with you that timescape was laggy as hell. But then again, every tiny SE widget makes the homescreen lag while other, more graphic intensive widgets run smooth as butter. SE just sucks in coding software.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
I think it's just their apps that made the system slow..

Once you have deleted the bloatware and do a couple of memory tweaks the X10 can really fly on stock firmware..
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I think its just the X10's hardware.. the arc has no problems with Timescape and other widgets - I guess that part was obvious. I've been on stock firmware for over 4 months and found no need to root / de-bloat. So maybe they did do a poor job with the X10, but I believe they have learnt now.. just in time to get bought out

SE's already said Gingerbread is the last major update.. why can't you wait for Arc ICS and port it over? It will probably not be very smooth, since Google is not even updating Nexus One, but hey.. atleast it will run
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Because this is not possible....what sources you want to use as base?!:confused:

we have just to wait for fxp....
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
I prefer a smooth 2.3 ROM over a laggy 4.0, what is so cool about 4.0, it will be a lot faster due to hw acc and all but all performance improvements you will not see on X10, you can be happy if it even works to open a app in less then 1 minute. The UI will be alot nicer then 2.3 but we have SE UI and MIUI and CM/AOSP UI and im sure Theme Chooser from CM will get a 4.0 theme anyway. What are the other changes that 4.0 will bring, if there arent alot more then i dont get why all want 4.0 so badly.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
It's not that I eagerly await it, I've pre-ordered a GN anyway. But I love my X10 and the xda community surrounding it and I just hoped that the things I heard might turn out to be true. Why so pessimistic, Wolf? Wouldn't you enjoy bringing your TW ROM to Android 4.0 and further?

Btw. didn't the big Goog himself announce that every phone that runs official Gingerbread will also be able to run ICS? This should mean it won't lag like hell. In the worst case, hardware acc will be turned off automatically and maybe we'll have to abandon some animations. But at least we could use the latest apps :rolleyes:

edit:

Source: engadget.com
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
can anyone tell the major changelog of ICS which makes it a compulsion to update to ICS from GB!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Lazy you are, young kunalgahlot!
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
yes and the nexus s has a good gpu...

Could "2.3 device" mean a device released on 2.3? Not necessarily any device able to run 2.3 (which would pretty much be any/all)
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Well, there is the whole bunch of low-end Android devices such as the Samsung Galaxy Y with 832 Mhz processor and a gpu that is way worse than Adreno 200 (after all I could find about that no-name GPU), which were actually released with Gingerbread this year. So this definition wouldn't rule out any device with 1Ghz proc, 1GB 384 mb ram and a Adreno 200 GPU (or are we rocking Adreno 205? not sure...) :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
adreno 200.... and there isn't 1gb of ram :S 384 mb...
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Lol sorry, typo. And a bad one, too :p
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
hehe i know the changes but wanted to ask those people who wants ICS madly,do they even know WHY they want ICS change!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Guys, on a side note:

ICS source code is now officially released! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
Im not pessimistic, i would like to make a 4.0 TW ROM but when i look at X10 hardware im not sure if it will be smooth and i see 90% of the people complain then and go back to 2.3, before 2.3 was released all was crazy and hyped it and when it was here they saw its a little laggy and all was mad and theres still some that use 2.1 even tho we have fast and stable 2.3 ROMs now, it would be nice to see and if we get it to run smooth enough it would be very nice but im just thinking it will be hard to even port it to X10 and then performance maybe wont be good enough. But lets see what time tells.
[XPERIA X10 General] InternationalPlayer71:
Guys,don't forget that most of ics features(hw accelleration for ex)are kernel related i think..so since the moment that we are stuck at 2.6.29 kernel we probably cannot benefit of them!!
[XPERIA X10 General] chriscx:
there are news saying that if gingerbread works on a device, ICS will work too, it's confirmed by many people I have asked

yooohooooooooooooooooo ICS code available !!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] silveraero:
What do you mean while saying impossible? If you want ICS works properly on X10 with less bug, just wait Sony update for Arc then port to our phone. This may take long time to wait, but yes, it is possible.

Sent from Xperia X10 Self-modded
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
Dude gb works on just about every android phone lol, my htc hero had gb on it.....

That is not true at all, and is a misrepresentation of what was actually said.

They said it should work on "gb devices", which more likely means devices that were released on gb, or possibly froyo but quickly upgraded to 2.3. That's my take on it anyway. 2011 devices, and a few 2010 devices, should get the update.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
However would you think that statement only applies to devices that have got GB through official means(ie. Stock firmware updates, not custom roms)?
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
didn't I hear the nexus one wasn't getting it? That had official GB

Lets just say if we find out the nexus one isn't then it is safe to assume x10 isn't.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
However we don't know whether that decision is based on hardware capabilities or based on commercial factors though...
[XPERIA X10 General] Arnold.Alexius:
quote from here

i BOLD the list that im interested. but for last one, is it possible for our 8.1mp camera?

i noticed that some already inside CyanogenMod and apps at Market
[XPERIA X10 General] pyromatic18:
It could be possible for our camera as I've seen other phones with 8 mp capable of 1080 but the sensor may not be able to do it. Only time will tell I guess.
[XPERIA X10 General] unknown13x:
No and never will. Even the Arc S or Neo V can't do 1080p. It is restricted by the Snapdragon chipset :) Only 8660 and above can handle 1080p recording, not 8255. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Not the sensor, the CPU.

8 megapixels is basically 8 million pixels. 1080p (assuming it's standard 1080x720 resolution) is 7.7 million pixels.

All 8MP cameras can do 1080p, it's the CPU that's the bottleneck since it can't process the video fast enough or smooth enough.
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
No. 1080p is 1920*1080 progressive

720p is 1280*720 progressive.

and by the way, 1080*720 = 777600 < 1000000 = 1 million.

And hell, 1080p as said above is 1920*1080 = 2073600 pixels < 3MP

So theoretically all cameras can above 3MP can do Full HD recording, it's just whether or not the proccessor can render that...
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Oops...my bad :o
[XPERIA X10 General] kunalgahlot:
ICS is good but i dont think its worht the pain to port from other phone or make new rom which will be buggy.

if we have ICS-good

if we don't-we wont miss anything
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
guys , ics sources out , but do anyone know the fxp's plan to start a new project?!

thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] The Gingerbread Man:
Check back through his posts. Its along the lines off that x10 slow and old gpu might not handle it, 2011 line up no problems.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
ok there William Wallace enough is enough
[XPERIA X10 General] Hanzo.Hasashi:
We are with you!

Sent from my bavarian castle
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
It's not that hard to understand what do they mean by the 2011 line...

And as most people here agree, we don't know how far can we push the X10's GPU, which would start to play a big role from ICS onwards.
[XPERIA X10 General] kantk20111:
Guys, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

And unlike before, I don't blame SE for it. It makes perfect sense to discontinue the device.

So please, can we let this die? If we're lucky will get a good ICS ROM from our awesome devs but that's as far as it will go.
[XPERIA X10 General] scoobysnacks:
hahaha you really called this one too...
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
This petition is really getting out of hand...in a retarded way.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
When FXP can make a CM9 ROM for X10 it would be great. But I definitely prefer a smooth ROM based on Gingerbread than a laggy ICS ROM.

I think one year ago no one thought that the X10 would run with nearly the same speed and fully working Android version like the Nexus One or HTC Desire, phones with similar hardware. But when you compare these phones now they show nearly the same performance.

And that the porting from the Xpria 2011 line up isn´t so easy showed their latest 2.3.4 Update.

But perhaps there is a way to port some apps or Google make some of the improved apps for ICS available for Gingerbread, too. The better voice recognition, for example. It should be just server related.

Besides, we shouldn´t forget that ICS is designed for more advanced hardware critieria. No matter if a good port is going to come to X10; face unlock? Stupid idea imo and fail because of no front camera. NFS support? Well...not for X10. An advanced way to handle multitasking? With our X10 we can´t run more than about 6 apps simultaneously. Not really a necessity for that...and so on :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Razorblade81:
If it just implemented as Gingerbread we realized I could do without it.

What our developers can make is another matter;)
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
If it's accelerated by the GPU, the UI won't be laggy like it is now. CPU load will be decreased = result = faster phone.

But, who cares? x10 won't be capable to run it, so guys just accept it. But, I can't be sure if our x10 it's GPU can handle all the load. If it get's overloaded (just like on Gingerbread now with the CPU) we'll still have the same UI lagg, but no CPU lagg anymore. (atleast I hope we won't get CPU/GPU lagg in any custom ROM, if we get one)

Keep on dreaming, and just hope for a custom ROM.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
OK guys, if you want me to, I'll contact a mod to close this topic. Doesn't seem as if I can add some useful info in the next time and the discussions seems to get kind of pointless and more and more aggressive.

Anyway, sorry that I couldn't back up my claim with some proof. :/
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
Yes, I know. It is not the first time you explained hardware acceleration very well ;).

But I guess besides the camera the activation of hardware aceleration it is the hardest part for a proper working ICS ROM.

After some less days it was able to run ICS on a Nexus One based on the SDK. But it wasn´t possible that the GPU accelerate the system. But we´ll see what is possible right now after the sources are released.
[XPERIA X10 General] ImS0Raw:
We'll see and hope for the best :)
[XPERIA X10 General] aR_ChRiS:
So GPU acceleration is optional?
[XPERIA X10 General] Frosty666:
That wouldn't be a good move by Google. I could see manufacturers skimping out on hardware acceleration if it wasn't enforced.
[XPERIA X10 General] maddes1402:
No, it isn't. But I guess for custom roms it won't be so easy to activate it.
[XPERIA X10 General] Amin`:
Guys! I recall that many times ago I was thinking that x10 mini's hardware cant run gingerbread... but now I see that it runs 2.3.7 very well...

so don't post anything like x10's gpu can't run ics...because I saw it runs heavy HD games like backstab so good...so don't think x10's gpu is very poor;)