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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
No android user experiences as smooth an experience as a wp7 user though (60 fps un the UI, consistently) so, by comparison, android does lag. I'll always go for the most responsive and intuiutive UX.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vikas776:
idiot who is stoping u not to use WP7 . Just use whatever u like.:mad:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
WP7 is unmatched for sure in terms of smoothness, but you'll have to agree on the fact that most of the average users won't notice the lag issue on android handsets. Ofc it's something that i can notice, and ofc it bothers me, but casual people don't find android to be laggy, unless they use some low end piece of trash. Personaly i can even see the difference between 60 and 80 fps, and i found unbearably crappy every single 50hz tv, but i'm also aware of the fact that normal people aren't as picky as i am. On the other hand, i can't stand seeing long trade phone nerds here saying that Android is as smooth as WP7 and hw acceleration is not needed: how can you love something at the point that you can't admit that it can be improved? This is blatant fanboyism imho.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
this is essentially the point I want across. I am aware that most people can not pick up above 38 fps, but the vast majority of android phones don't even run that. It is an issue, and if you make it a non-issue, they have no reason to remedy it. I myself can pick up pretty much any hiccup in frame rate and while neither is bad, I can see the difference in 60 fps vs 80 fps. It is bothersome to use something with a much lower fps.

Vikas, you want to translate that into English?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Yes, Android can be improved. The thing is, smartphones compared to other technology are still in their infant stage. With the way android is managed compared to other OS's, I feel (just my opinion) that it has the brightest future. Issues are being addressed as well, such as ICS allowing a hardware accelerated UI. With Android...the possibilities are endless. With the other OS's, you only get what their dev team gives you.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
The potential is there, Android is a good project but still i don't trust Google completely: some issues have been on the tracker for 2 years. This one is pretty epic: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914

Also, we must keep in mind that Google doesn't sell phones nor a phone OS: they basically sell ads, so they don't really care about the phone being fully optimized for experienced users to enjoy a perfect OS, they care about having another platform to advertise on. Right now Android sells well because of the cheap low end phones, i bet the amount of high end devices being sold is comparatively low...

Edit: woa i almost forgot to mention the epic failure of Honeycomb, all rushed, unfinished and buggy as hell, and not even properly open sourced. Also, do you remember what happened when 2.3 was released? AAC+ support was broken, wth? Why they didn't even do some basic testing? The current version is never really mantained, even security vulnerabilities are often ignored: they always focus on the "next" version and stop caring about the "old" one. The current code is hardly ever shared, and this mean we don't really have an open source project here. If it really was then the tracker wouldn't be full of unaddressed issues. Sorry if this sounds like a rant, but i truly love Android (unlike cheap fandroids) so i just HAVE to get pissed when i see it being treatened like this.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Quit feeding the troll guys, he's infected another one of our threads. You can't get anywhere with him and its clearly evident by now.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Actually the Galaxy S2 is the highest selling android phone of all time. Over 10 million sold worldwide at the end of last month...

Edit: These numbers DO NOT include any of the sales in the US, as they were not available at the time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cobraboy85:
You are annoying sometimes. And you can't see the difference between 60 and 80. No human can. It is outside of the eye's ability.

whyumadtho
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
I know, this is a really good thing, and possibly google devs will wake up seeing this. Anyway i think this phone is killer mainly because Samsung invested quite a lot making it great: the "killer" features, like hw acceleration and the gorgeous display have been implemented/made by Samsung, not Google. This HAS to change imho, i don't want to see OEMs struggling to get something good out of a mediocre OS, and i want this for the sake and the future of Android. I hope i explained my point here.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
I understand your point, and I agree. The companies have been pumping out half-assed "high end" devices by the millions. Hopefully they will see what a real quality device can do to sales, and follow in the footprints of Samsung.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Fenvarien:
Android ICS will change a lot, especially when it is implemented from High-End to Low-End devices.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
He is completely anal about some of the weirdest things. He is in the minority as an avid android hater. I have never seen anyone else quite like him and so fanboyish towards WP7. I feel like he only does it because he thinks someday WP will outdo android and if that day comes, he can turn back and tell us all that he told us so. I just don't see WP ever doing that. Microsoft has bigger and better things to do and it's clear they aren't giving their all into their mobile OS.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Well yeah, that doesn't change the fact that the majority buy low end android phones. Sure a lot of the high end android phones are bought but there are many more choices on the low end.

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and Google doesn't? For them, it's just another advertisement platform. I support WP7 because it offers the best user experience, nothing more, nothing less.

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I'm hoping the Razr does so, it's the first good looking android device I've seen in a long time.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shiftylock:
I WONDERED THIS TOO!!!! Agh, my N86 8MP is the best phone I own for GPS, texting, and is STILL the best camera phone I own, and I own an infuse, a g1, a captivate, and an xperia play. I can tell you that my N86 is the most reliable, gets the best service, and is honestly the most convenient to use. I was really disappointed to hear about Nokia siding with WP7, they could do some great things with Android.

Not to say WP7 is bad, I own an LG Quantum, which is WP7, and it's great. That's saying something, considering it's still an LG phone.

/rant
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
I don't know anyone with a low end device. The majority have a high end phone. It may not be a new cutting edge of right now high end, but it was high end at the time that it was purchased. I really don't know where you come up with some of your stats. More people are buying $200 on contract phones than getting the free offering. And even then, the free offerings are better than WP7. If your definition of the best user experience is a locked down simple OS, then good for you. Some of use require the use of a brain for us to enjoy something. I have heard the tiles are great for the elderly though..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Best user experience? Not being able to customize jack **** (you can customize a ton on android without even rooting) and having no apps? Yea, real great experience. Do you just sit around all day and slide from page to page and action to action just for the hell of it? Does that entertain you and make you feel all fuzzy inside? You seem like a "simple" kind of guy, why not try an iPhone? They have an awfully polished OS and quite silky scrolling. Or do you just need to be different from the majority all the time?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] shiftylock:
I must agree that WP7 is extremely lacking in terms of customization... you can't even save messages as drafts .___.

THAT SAID, WP7 is still a better "user experience" because it offers a no-frills, "hey now, the phone tile takes me to teh dialer, the people takes me too *gasp* my people!!! :O!" interface that most android phones are somewhat lacking. That also said, it is obviously possible to make an android phone incredibly simplistic, with massive icons and even a WP7 theme, but for someone who doesn't even know how to remove widgets from their homescreens, let alone how to adb pull their system files using a terminal emulator, I think WP7 has a great out-of-the-box UI. Honestly anything non-apple is great in my book.... except maybe palm .__.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
And you call me the troll, comical. Clearly all of your friends reside within the realms of XDA because in the real world, at least here in Austin, TX, Colorado where I spend half the year, and many other states that I visit, the most common phones you see are the LG Optimus T and LG Optimus S, then theres the occasional Vibrant, captivate, etc that was purchased recently when they went for free. The majority don't spend a lot on a phone unless it is, in fact, an iphone.

I actually own a 4s, and numerous android devices, and many others. The 4s still isn't as speedy as WP7. Customization is, sadly, android's only selling point. Well, that and the fact that it can be slapped on any piece of hardware but honestly, that's essentially defacing the hardware. As far as no apps go, WP7 app market has grown at a much faster rate than any mobile OS before it. You trolls are disgusting. Attempting to personally attack someone because they disagree with your mobile OS of choice, because they like something polished, well built, and pleasant to use. Just saddening how far XDA has sunk.

and you still wouldn't have the UX by imitating the UI. It's been tried. It's how well everything, even third party apps, works together. It's the dynamic UI, constantly changing and keeping you informed without navigating everywhere. It's the people hub, telling you what you need to know about who you want to know it about. It's just how well everything works. No OS has just worked that well before.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Actually I have no friends with an XDA account. Everyone I know has a high end phone. And I lived in Colorado for 5 years...same thing there. There is nothing dynamic about some tiles...seriously. Constantly changing? Great, your weather tile updates every once in awhile, so does my widget. And some of us are adults and could care less about the social apps. I'm sorry that you aren't tech savvy enough to make Android work well for you.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Honestly, majority of my friends have a device from the samsung galaxy line. They don't mod or flash or anything like that either. There you go again making generalizations.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
I was in Colorado two weeks ago, now I'm in Austin which is a major technological hub of this country and in both instances the majority have low end devices or outdated high-end devices. I have still yet to see a GS2 aside from mine in the wild. I'm tech savvy enough to make anything work for me, sadly even as smooth and such as android gets it's never as smooth as WP7. I love all the constant changes in my UI, it's never staying still.

There's quite a few low-end devices in the galaxy line up. In San Angelo, TX, one of the few android devices you'll see is the Samsung Galaxy Ace. It's immensely popular there. The majority, however, do go for the free phone. That's based on a few years as a retail sales agent while I worked on my degree.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
You are so tech savvy but all it takes to satisfy your brain is a smooth page transition? Sad. I have ZERO lag, as smooth as it gets. My widgets change, and my UI has endless possibilities, so I have you beat in that aspect as well. I have more apps available...point for me. You have a Nokia...-100 for you.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Again, just trolling. You say you have zero lag and yet with any android phone aside from the GS2 you can't hit 60 FPS and even with the GS2 it's very rare. It is not as smooth as it gets, even mine is not as smooth as it gets, it's just the smoothest that can be recognized. My UI has endless possibilities that are added to each time a new app comes out, especially those with live tiles, and that number is only increasing. You have more apps available, my apps are generally higher quality. Even games like angry birds are poor quality on android compared to iOS because they have to cater to phones from low end to high end. I have a nokia, best build quality out there, good for me. :) Alas, there is no point system, you're fully intent on turning everything into a pissing contest rather than accepting that android is flawless and I'm sorry that you're in such a mindset. WP7 isn't flawless either, it just offers more of what I enjoy.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] xaccers:
Although for many people it's lacking too many basic features to be an option.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Yes Z33...zero lag. It is not hard to achieve zero lag running an aosp based ROM, and overclocked. Stop generalizing. And like I said, I am glad you enjoy simple. Nokia has the best build quality? That is your opinion. You can't polish a turd.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
"Zero lag" is one of the stupidest terms I see used here. Zero lag is actually impossible to obtain, WP7's simply isn't visible to the human eye. An AOSP based rom still gets a low enough frame rate to visually see the stutters. WP7 carefully manufactured their OS to not have such stutters, is some customization sacrificed? Certainly, I find the trade off more than fair. I mean, I can't add a wallpaper... and? I have multiple tiles shifting with pictures of my son and I all over the place. I don't know where your "polished turd" statement stems from, please, do explain.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Polished Turd. Your amazing Unibody super sweet Nokia..whats on the inside? Sh*t. All it is is a polished turd! Thats really cool about your picture tile! Wait, android has live wallpapers that switch photos...

But seriously, the best part is...whenever I search to see if you are actually making sense, I get hits on articles talking about how horrible WP7 is. I just read another article saying that Nokia MIGHT do ok in europe and asia but will not sell well in the US. Ok z33, my lag is not visible to the human eye. Does that make you feel better? I don't see any stutters, maybe I am just better technically then you are.

Great WP7 article right here http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ne_7_lumia_800_vs_apple_iphone_4s.html&page=2
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
No, you simply haven't used better clearly. I saw my android devices as smooth until I began to frequent my WP7 devices.

It's no polished turd. The only reason people are concerned about specs is because android has to have a ridiculous processor before it's halfway usable. Before that the lag is even worse than on the high end devices. WP7 outperforms Android easily as an OS and the only ones benefiting from dual-core will be android users because both WP7 and iOS tombstone their apps rather than performing true multi-tasking offering better ram management, better battery management, and better processor management. Therefor a dual-core processor in either of the better coded OSes is just a gimmick. For every article you find ridiculing WP7 I can find two praising it, you're just trolling without reason intent on winning a pissing contest that I refuse to participate in. I love that you post a WP7 article from Apple Insider though, yeah, seems legit.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Guys, guys... settle down. Clearly z33 is a super-troll! He can see things the normal human eye can't, up to 150 fps!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
Because you are completely unbias, right? Why don't you come back to this site in three years and see who the leading OS is. Nokia will not sell well, WP7 in general will not sell well. According to all of your reasons why WP7 is better will actually be the death of it. The average user does not care about FPS. The average user cares about how their phone can benefit them, such as GPS, music, the cloud. The average users like hundreds of thousands of wallpaper and ringtone choices. The average user does not want their phone to look like the persons next to them. And according to you, the average user wants a cheap phone. The average user has no clue what WP7 is. All of these things mentioned benefit Android. And if the average user doesn't like them...they will buy an iphone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] soyef:
Maybe you just have poor friends

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Jaunzems:
So, I have to get my popcorn and beer. Then I'll watch this trollfest.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
Its gonna get good ;)

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
Actually Nokia is already selling well: right now the Lumia is the phone selling the most in France for example, and it just came out.

Honestly i'll be happy if Nokia sells well and WP7 takes off: is there something bad about having an additional option, talking about smartphones? When people start going against their personal interest for the sake of a brand/OS, that's where the fanboyism kicks in.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
That's not a bad thing at all. Personally, I'd like to see WP7 take a bit more of the pie. If they had a more equal userbase to the competition, more developers would work on it, better apps would come, and overall it would be a much nicer comparison to all three. Competition is good. :p
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lowandbehold:
I said Nokia was doing well overseas, as it has been for years. And I also said it will not do well in the United States, as it hasn't been for years.

And on this site not many people go against their personal interest for the sake of an OS. This is a development site, so our interests are obviously modding and hacking. There is 1 clear cut OS that allows this. So tell me where the fanboyism is?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
Android! Oh wait, no... :p:p:p
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] vnvman:
Hehe, that's what i mean: most people here are "biased" because they can only love and appreciate an easily moddable OS. But irl Android doesn't sell well because of this, it sells well because it's cheap ;)

Oh well, at the end of tge day you're right, people here can't be blamed for being biased, we need something that we can play with after all...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
True. More competetion from WP7 means more advancements in android. Think about how much further behind wed be with android right now it wasn't for the threat of iOS... The creation of the iPhone was a kick in the ass to google to wake up and ever since, they have (had to) make leaps and bounds.

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pimppoet:
exactly...if ur gonna go to a closed system u might as well go to a well established os that offers more overall currently & it u want a upgraded wm feel ur gonna go android. When wp7 offers the same features as it former self & still be "buttery smooth" than it be a os contender imo. I would actually buy an iphone over wp7 if it had a phyiscal keyboard. I was holding out for the tp3 but wp7 killed it for me.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
gps, Nokia maps is the best there is.

music, zunepass is awesome compared to any offering on IOS and the zune interface us still considered one of the greatest, killed by a lack of apps. The cloud, Microsoft pretty much brought the cloud to light. I hope that's not a key element in android's superiority because wp7 has outstanding cloud services
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] slapshot30:
What did I say before? Don't even try to bring music and sound into this. The galaxy phones (except galaxy s2) all have the "cream of the crop" wolfson DAC, highly regarded among audiophiles. Pair that sound quality with voodoo sound and the poweramp app, and you have one kickass portable source. Don't even try to say your little nokia can hold a candle to the samsung galaxy sound quality. Like I said before, go to any audio forum of your choice and ask what phone/DAC is best of the best and you will see what I mean.

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
I'm quite certain we were talking about operating systems. Therefor that seems moderately unimportant in such a discussion. My audio is certainly listenable. I'll sacrifice sound quality, even as an audiophile, for build quality.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] upichie:
You are not an audiophile. Please do not lie. You regard WP7 a contender in the music department from the look of it's music player. Please. You are the farthest thing from an audiophile. An audiophile would not sacrifice audio quality for "build quality", a term you loosely throw around for a vague number of things. An audiophile would choose plastic over aluminium in a heart beat if it meant hifi quality.

Please...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
Nokia's lumia isn't aluminim... I live for music, but that's just me. WP7s music player is great. Once better sound-related hardware is implemented it will be untouchable. No music player I've found on android compares.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cobraboy85:
I find this thread comical... Z33... Hilarious. I can't believe how much people respond and get upset over some bull crap over a PHONE... hahahahahahahahahahaha.... And you just remain calm, reply, and mix the pot some more. Lol

whyumadtho
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] z33dev33l:
It is rather comical how worked up some get. I love my phone but the second a better option is put forth, regardless of OS, I will jump ship with no remorse.