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[Nook Color General] Nburnes:
Yes they have their own market....how do you think normal people get apps on their Colors?...
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Man, you let me down. Kind of sad, though.

Tablet should be a full-featured portable PC, right, yes, no one need everything but it's good to pack them all in one :)

Yeah, I have a camera, yeah, I have Garmin, yeah, I have home phone, .....,

if all those pack in one, it would be fun, you think.

Now, let's imagine this, on a beautiful morning, you sit in the couch on the sunroom, sipping your milky coffee, reading daily news on the NC, suddenly a bright red cardinal chirping outside, in your backyard, would you want to take a quick shot, send right over to me, and Google Voice me to talk. I think that's better than rushing in, grab the camera, take shot, transfer to pc then send to me, right ;) and if we need to talk, you have to have your phone next to you, ready. ;)

Anyway, about the bold, I thought, no data usage needed when using GPS, no?
[Nook Color General] mshilly:
While I am surprised that it does not have a camera and microphone I am not surprised it does not have GPS. I just got an HP Touchpad which also does not have GPS, but I consider it a tablet.

Keep in mind the NC2 does not have to compete with other 7" tablets (it has already won there), it has to beat the KF. I would say with 1GB RAM, 16G Flash and the uSD slot will be well worth the extra $50 in terms of hardware.

The real question then becomes content accessibility. With WiFi only devices it comes down to connectivity, and in the absense of connectivity, storage. It will be real interesting to see how normal consumers will look at the two. I have a feeling that it will be split right down the party lines so to speak.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
Hmmm not sure, is there another tablet with gps that doesn't use data plans? From what I know the smartphones and tablets use data plan for the GPS, that means that it is through the telephone company that you get located, meanwhile regular gps connect to satelites for free. As I said I'm not sure about this, if I'm wrong then it would be nice to have GPS service, meaning you don't get charged for it.
[Nook Color General] unsivil_audio:
Its not the gps that uses data, its the app. Google maps has to download every sector you're in. Nav units have map packs (huge I might add ~1gb) installed to their devices.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
So if you would be able to port the map packs somehow it will work without any type of connection, apart from the connection to a satellite? I was under the impression that gps on phones worked by using cellphone towers, but I was just speculating :P
[Nook Color General] unsivil_audio:
Yes phones use AGPS which just means it's assisted by the cell towers to hone location quicker. However they can work independently of that on basic gps. Google even gave the ability to cache larger chunks of the maps for dead zones (so you could still see where you were going, lol).

And to answer your question yes that would work provided the Nook gets a GPS tuner of sorts.
[Nook Color General] Divine_Madcat:
As it is, the nook original works great with a bluetooth gps receiver, and one of the many nav apps out there (i use copilot, and it needs no data connection. Everything is stored on sd..)
[Nook Color General] azshorty2003:
I think its great I can get the powerful tablet/reader I want without all the expensive frills I won't use like a camera or mic or gps. And at a great price. Now I just need to set my phone up for wireless tether and I'm set
[Nook Color General] lakerstyle:
Actually I've been debating whether to get a refurb from BUY.Com for $139 as gifts. I love my NC with CM7. I'm also in the camp that thinks GPS and camera aren't really needed. However, I do hope that bluetooth is improved on the NC Tablet. The range is terrible on the current NC. Would be great to use bluetooth audio devices and not have it practically next to the other device.

Also how come no Netflix on the NC. Hulu Plus will be on both the NC and NC Tablet. My NC is overclocked to 1.2....does Netflix not run well at 800MHz? If it can do Hulu it should be able to Netflix as well.

Which leads me back to my debate. I want to give the current NC as a gift without having to root it. Hence I want to be get most basic games (angry birds, fruit ninja, glow hockey, etc..) and apps that are now free in the Google Market. Here's hoping that the nook 1.4 update has this and more.
[Nook Color General] d.v:
Any guess as to whether the new NT will dual boot from a current N2A card?
[Nook Color General] nicbennett:
Netflix actually works fine, you just have to edit the build.prop to another device. I've got both hulu plus and netflix working on mine, which according to the build.prop is a Galaxy S. If you do a search you should be able to find specific instructions
[Nook Color General] pavlos46:
Actually I think its great that B&N didn't drop the NC, a great decesion, and not only that we might also be looking at a possible update 1.4

Now if that is honeycomb then I am gonna be very happy.
[Nook Color General] Taosaur:
I didn't expect to be tempted by whatever B&N trotted out, but a trimmer NC w/ dual core and doubled RAM would be pretty sweet. As for GPS, mic, and camera, those are features of a phone, not a tablet computer. Video chat is cool in theory, but the reality is it's often much easier to call or text someone rather than make a chat date.

Maybe the issue has resurfaced, but I don't think that hack has been necessary for months. I dropped Netflix this summer, but the last time I was using it, it worked fine without spoofing a phone.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
Yeah, there's no need to change build.prop to get Netflix working. It works great right from the market with the default CM7 build.prop
[Nook Color General] BASIC!:
Indeed. I have my applications, BASIC! in the Amazon Market. It takes over a week to get each new release approved by Amazon. That is drag considering that I make new releases once a week. I typically only update on the Amazon market once every ten releases.
[Nook Color General] simsjam:
Why no OS upgrade?

With this thing being brand new they should list what version of android it is running. Sure it is the B&N version but it sould be based on ICS to take advantage of the dual core processor. To distinguish it from the kindle fire they should play up the microsd slot BIG TIME. Might open a can of worms but they could offer a microsd card with an approved version of android to boot from as an extra add on and show how the kindle fire can't do that.
[Nook Color General] japzone:
With the latest Netflix app you don't need a modded build.prop anymore.

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[Nook Color General] japzone:
It will have to ship with Gingerbread as ICS wasn't released to OEMs until recently. It'll probably get an upgrade to ICS in the future though just like they upgraded the Nook Color to Froyo after launch.

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[Nook Color General] khaytsus:
Ugggghhhhhh, NO, GPS does not require data service. Period. Any data associated would be downloading maps, directions, that sort of things. Getting your coordinates = NO data, NO fees.
[Nook Color General] Vidjda:
Yeah lenovo a1 but the bugger slipped under my radar when they were on preorder and now there's no sign of it. 200$ for 2gb version and 250$ for 16gb one. Nice deal few months before, now with KF and NC2 not so much:-). Thou thst gps is nice thing.

Edit: well i'll be damned:-) http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=1D93DC696842DCD16814BD79634CB472&menu-id=products
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Just off topic, Acer Iconia Tab A200 7" tablet leaked, no detail of HW specs. yet.

Let's see what they offer and can it give NC2 (NT) a competition.
[Nook Color General] KDOG2020:
So it doesn't have bluetooth as far as we know huh? Hmmm... wondering how we would get a keyboard to connect to it. Not having GPS doesn't bother me though. And I don't understand the fascination with people wanting tablets to have cameras anyway. Thier too big to have cameras in my opinion. '

But I'm watching this very closely however. Want to see what the devs can do with it...
[Nook Color General] japzone:
There's a good chance it uses the same wireless chip as the Nook Color so most likely we'll at least be able to get it working the same way, although unless they were thoughtful enough to attatch an antenna to it it'll have a very limited range just like the Nook Color :(

PS: I agree about the Camera, sure a Front facing one for Video Chat but why a Back Facing one? I'd prefer a normal camera or even a smartphone that I could take pictures with and then transfer to the Tablet via bluetooth or something and perform photo editing on there. I mean seriously, trying to hold a hefty Tablet still is near impossible and most likely will produce camera shake.

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[Nook Color General] Taosaur:
Cameras aren't just for taking pictures. Obviously, a tablet is not going to be your go-to gadget for actual photography, but some people do use video chat, and I'm occasionally frustrated by the NC's inability to scan QR codes off my PC monitor. A camera can also be used to scan paper documents, which would fit pretty well with the NC's focus on reading.

There are definite advantages to a device that can see, hear, and keep track of its location; I just don't think they define what constitutes a tablet.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
That would be a nice perk having it scan QR codes and barcodes. This type of feature needs a back camera while the skyping needs a front. If they do that the price would go up a lot, meaning they will be competing with other high end tablets (which are pretty much overpriced), so we the poor people won't be able to enjoy a good working tablet for cheap.
[Nook Color General] chuffykow:
If you can restore a device, you haven't bricked it. You just broke it, temporarily.
[Nook Color General] japzone:
B&N Event running now.

Nook Tablet, B&N say, has 9 hours of Video Playback and 11.5 for Reading, Not sure if that is with or without WiFi. It has a TI chip so it may support Netflix Offline.

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[Nook Color General] japzone:
{DELETE ME}
[Nook Color General] RussianMenace:
Looks like price confirmed at $249. "Will be in stores end of next week." OG NookColor dropping to $199.
[Nook Color General] japzone:
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[Nook Color General] jgaf:
Check it out:

http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/7/2544011/nook-tablet-announced

It says somethign about the display being better, does that mean that the touch screen is different?
[Nook Color General] japzone:
” Q: bluetooth keyboards for the Nook Color/Tablet?

A: No Bluetooth. (Audience member: the Color does. Lynch: no, it has a Bluetooth module.)" LOL

" Q: have you made improvements to the Nook Touch browser?

A: Nook Simple Touch doesn't have a browser...it's about the reading experience. We focused on the reading experience and the price." Yes it does no hack required ;) Just search "http://[website-url]" and BOOM. Showed that to a B&N rep on a demo unit, he was surprised :)

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[Nook Color General] votinh:
Just before Nov. 7th, everywhere indicated it would have 1.2GHz dual-core processor, and now, confirmed 1.0GHz one?
[Nook Color General] japzone:
Looks like it

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[Nook Color General] vn33:
Didn't see anywhere mentioned, but I assume it will run Nook 1.4 interface ? Not an open Android like Kobo Vox ?

It would definitely be more attractive if they can bring it down to $200 threshold ...
[Nook Color General] japzone:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33198_...-nook-tablet-$99-nook-touch-to-offset-amazon/

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33198_...ablet-hands-on-with-barnes-nobles-fire-eater/

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[Nook Color General] nook-color:
Looks like more battery life. IMHO - that's a big plus. If they can root this puppy, I'd grab it over a Refurb for 140. Don't think it's enough for an upgrade though.

Too bad they didn't add a HDMI output. That could have made for a nice upgrade option.
[Nook Color General] jayjr1105:
Ok guys, all fanboy bias' aside... Which to go with... Kindle Fire or The new Nook color tab???? New Nook is confirmed $250 and the Fire is $200. I could care less about the extra $50. What I am interested in is developer support and android functionality. I know the original Nook color was a home run with the dev's but I want to be sure they are going to stay on board for #2. I have a Fire preordered but I wanted some opinions from Nook Color 1 owners. Off the bat I like the look of the new nook + removable storage but again I want to hear it from owners. THanks!
[Nook Color General] ponyboy82:
It's hard to say since neither are out yet for the devs to get ahold of.....*however* the Nook tablet will almost certainly be better. I say this because (a) it has a microSD slot, (b) it has hardware buttons and (c) it looks very similar to the Nook Color which is already very Android/CM7-friendly.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
I would get the NCT (copyright protected xD) since it has sd storage. This means it will be unbrickable since you can always setup a bootable sdcard to restore. I'm pretty sure it will get developer supports, devs are always interested in new devices and new ways of expanding their rooting :) If you don't have a NC, my best suggestion is the NC tablet, but if you already own a NC I don't think you should update just now (maybe wait couple of months and get a refurbished one).
[Nook Color General] jayjr1105:
I have neither atm. Only tablet I own is a touchpad which I am selling. Too big and heavy plus web OS is no android.
[Nook Color General] nook-color:
If you can root the Nook Color 2, it's a no brainer. If I were in the market for a first tablet, I'd wait a month or 2 to see if they can get a SD boot on the NC2. If they root NC2 - I'd jump on it without a second thought.

Out of the box, Amazon has a larger cloud / app feature than B & N. B & N will have Netflix.

Edit: Looks like B&N has been adding apps. They have a few thousand to choose from and Netflix is pre-loaded Stock with lots of options to add w/o rooting. Link to Nook Apps Page

I'd give it a few weeks to see what people do with both devices. But the extra storage price is important -- IMHO.
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
You know theres CM7 for hp touchpad just look up the touchpad forums in here. That one will surely get ICS

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I was just over the B&N website and it says the NCT has a mic

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nook-tablet-barnes-noble/1104687969#nook-commentary-features-1
[Nook Color General] jayjr1105:
I really am leaning toward NCT even at $50 more plus I already have a KF pre-ordered. Yes I know there is an android port to the touchpad. Just don't like the size and weight of a 10" tablet. Keep the opinions coming.
[Nook Color General] sgood1971:
I have a KF on order and I agree. The lack of expansion hurts it. But for what I plan to use the KF for, I guess it will be good enough.
[Nook Color General] acruxksa:
I just cancelled my Kindle Fire pre-order.

At this point it's way too early to tell which device will garner the most developer support, but the addition of an SD card slot and more battery life make the Nook Tablet more useful to me whether it's rooted or not.

The smartest move would probably be to wait a few months until the dust settles, but that wouldn't be any fun.
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Since the incident which I called low-class marketing strategy of spreading incorrect info prior to official announcement: 1.2GHz vs 1.0GHz, intended to mis-lead consumers, I won't hold the breath over it, the microphone.

It maybe means "speakerphone" instead.
[Nook Color General] votinh:
B&N has its own AppStore but honestly, can we find any free app there?

I just check Angry Birds Rio and it costs $2.99.

Is it a joke? They can't be serious.

Android Marketplace offered free, B&N charge merely 3 bucks? How dare they?
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
I just watched the feature video and it says you can record your voice for children's books. Meaning it does have a Mic and it is on the feature list in the B&N webpage. I really don't care much about the mic anyways, only use I could see for me it's doing interviews (Sociology Major)
[Nook Color General] arda99:
Kids' Stories Come to Life

Nothing compares to NOOK Kids™. The largest collection of interactive children's books with fun activities right in the pages. Families can Read and Record™ their own narrations with the built-in microphone.
[Nook Color General] unsivil_audio:
Overall disappointing announcement. Glad I scooped my refurb NC when I did. Probably wait for a similar deal on the tablet. Was really hoping for a 10" version, oh well.
[Nook Color General] aludal:
Apart from an external mSD card slot and extra 8GB eMMc, these extra $50 buys you twice the AK Fire's RAM. Which might be more attractive target for CyanogenMod (7, then 9) developers than AK Fire, at least initially. And when talking about full Android functionality, one can't go without CyanogenMod developments: be it 1.2--1.5 Ghz overclocks w/out much loss of battery life, or plethora of other optimizations, and (almost) full Market and full Google Apps.

Of course, if you like the Amazon's Silk+EC2 Cloud promises of much faster browsing for the price of abandoning all of your privacy, then yes, go with your AK Fire pre-order. Me, I'd be looking for an opprtunity to trade-in my NOOk Color 1 for NOOK Tablet, hopefully it will cost me just extra $50.
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Thanks jgaf and arda99 for the confirmation. It that's true, then it's a plus.
[Nook Color General] jayjr1105:
So Pre-root both the kindle fire and NCT cannot use the regular android market? Exuse my ignorance, I am unfamiliar with how the first gen nook color was utilized.
[Nook Color General] e.mote:
First impressions:

. The 1.0GHz speed was disappointing, since the leak led me to believe it would be 1.2GHz. Not that big a deal, though.

. The addition of a mic is important, since my hunch is that VOX functionality (aka Siri clone) will be coming to Jelly Belly. Schmidt was on the news saying that Siri is a competitive threat to Google's search business, so a Siri clone is a safe bet.

. Bluetooth is important, since us geeks want to use real keyboards (and game controllers). I'm hoping the NT will have at least the NC's vestigial BT capability. This may be a deal-breaker if NT doesn't have it. I'll just buy more cheap NCs.

. "Which has better ecosystem/OS/market/browser" blah blah blah - Who gives a crap? Most peeps here will install CM anyway and get the full Market. If we want Amazon or B&N stuff, we'd install Kindle Reader or the Nook app.

Since my interest is ICS, I'll wait for CM9 before jumping. But between NT and KF, the NT kicks the KF's bootie.

Unfilled wish: A Nook with 4:3 (1024x768) aspect ratio. (Nobody say Archos 80. It's garbage.)
[Nook Color General] d.v:
Will there be a new "Nook Tablet" forum where these discussions can continue?
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
Pre-rooted NC had a limited android market, B&N pre-chose what apps to include (some of them NC specific). So if you want to get full android market you will need to wait for a Root. From what I can see in the B&N website there are 37 pages of apps (30 apps per pages), so we can say they have about 1100+ apps.
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Same as the NT but a lot worse, that's why almost everyone root/noot it when they lay their hands on.

However, I keep the stock ROM on my niece NC though :), don't want she knows too much about it since reading and some basic games are enough for her for now.
[Nook Color General] arda99:
I see microphone as a big big plus as I use skype sometimes. External uSD and 1GB RAM make the new NT beat KF in every aspect. Now I just need to wait for a refurbished NT sale, bought NC last year for retail price and the refurbished units are like 50% off, wouldn't buy any Nook at retail again...
[Nook Color General] e.mote:
New forum request for NOOK Tablet

Please add a "+1 Nook Tablet" to both of these threads

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1336738

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19139676
[Nook Color General] cabbieBot:
I don't get the fuss over it being 1.0 ghz when in all likelihood its a 1.2 ghz SoC that is underclocked for battery life savings. The NookColor has an 800 mhz chip that is underclocked to 600 mhz.
[Nook Color General] thatdude90210:
I cancelled my NF pre-order. I like everything about my NC except for the speed, even oc to 1200. The NT looks to remedy that. And I get to keep my fav NC cover.
[Nook Color General] FloridaPhil:
Hmm, now I need to decide.. cancel my KF or not?

Interestingly, B&N wants to charge me an additional $16.19 state tax, Amazon doesn't so the price difference is actually $66, not $50.
[Nook Color General] htownmmm:
Looks like I'll be selling my NC to a friend and buying the NT ftw!

marty
[Nook Color General] jgaf:
Don't tell your friend about the new product from BN, so you can sell it for a good price xD
[Nook Color General] daggy1985:
Just cancelled my Kindle Fire pre-order, getting the Nook Tab! Sweet ready for the speed upgrade!
[Nook Color General] jbg1:
will i be able to get the nook tablet on amazon on rd?

i got 200$ amazon credit coming soon
[Nook Color General] EverythingNook:
I hope they have a deal for the NT if you trade in the NC you get a discount.
[Nook Color General] Taosaur:
Unless you're already seriously plugged in to Amazon's 'ecosystem,' KF vs NT seems like a no-brainer. It's a near certainty the NT will be rooted almost out of the gate, and very good chances CM7 will follow shortly after. Regardless, Netflix is a better selling point than Amazon Prime, and the SD slot and doubled RAM more than justify the $50 difference, with the additional on-board storage as bonus.

I am wondering how much of the 16GB will be locked for B&N content.
[Nook Color General] jayjr1105:
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I really do think the Kindle fire will be awesome but double the RAM, SD slot, Microphone, & Netflix vs Amazon Prime (although netflix has **** the bed lately)+ Dev interest/support is enough to sway me. I will be cancelling my KF preorder in the next day or so. Just need a few more days of convincing. I dont wan't to jump the gun.
[Nook Color General] oka1:
here is a review I ran across for the new Nook Color

http://www.androidtapp.com/nook-tab...Apps,+News,+App+Recommendations+&+Interviews)
[Nook Color General] alareth1976:
damn!! I've recently (August) bought a used NookColor for about 140$ and I'm very happy about it : great piece!

but now :(

luckily there's the same ol' problem that B&N don't sell outside US (not without using "third parties" services) so I've a bit of time to use and consume my NC :D

Among that, NT kicked off the pitch KF \m/
[Nook Color General] BobK46:
Tablet GPS

There are many apps for tablets that use stored maps, the same as dedicated GPS Devices.

I use GPSdroid and Navdroid with my NC, CM7 bluetooth and my existing bluetooth GPS reciever. 7in screen and voice directions are very nice.

Yes, I would like to see the Nook Tablet with GPS and Camera but it wont happen!
[Nook Color General] e.mote:
NOOK Tablet Forum now official

Thanks to the powers-that-be, the Nook Tablet now has its own forum. See you all there.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1394
[Nook Color General] sangahm:
What is GPSdroid?