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[Verizon Droid Charge] FrancisV:
I work in a huge metal building, opposite in a 4g area. I've found my 4g radio will drain my battery fast if the 4g signal is low. This is because the phone will keep increasing the power out until it gets good 2-way communication with the tower. If you're using 4g in a good coverage area and have good signal you're probably not going to see the battery drain nearly as much. Personally I use tasker to automatically control the data connection as I move between work and home. I use WiFi at home since its less battery intensive than 4g.
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
Pretty cool, Apple's second place showing wasn't even close.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-samsung-smartphone-2011-10

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[Off-topic] AllGamer:
yup so those news already

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-28/samsung-beats-apple-as-no-1-smartphone-vendor.html

even last year was the biggest seller among Androids phones

see video, notice the bars after Galaxy S introduction into the market

[YOUTUBE]fqFpq9WXbJo[/YOUTUBE]
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
That's amazing! Samsung has...how many handsets...hundreds? Apple has...what...give me a minute to count that high...ummm...1?

Wow...good going Samsung! And to think, Apple being tied to one carrier in the US while Samsung's phones are on every carrier everywhere. I am ...stunned! :D

Why it didn't happen much sooner is a mystery.
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
I can only interpret your "trash talk" as insecurity and jealousy. I'm sure Samsung would be humbled and impressed by your admiration.

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[Off-topic] MartyLK:
LOL...touche.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
a logical argument would've been that Samsung had a 3 year head start in the race. There are what? 5 iPhones now that were on the two largest carriers and are shifting to the third in the U.S. Another viable argument would've been pricing or a more correct mention of their carrier availability.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
more reference of Samsung out selling Apple from Reuters

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us-samsung-idUSTRE79R0B620111028

and wow, this is already with the injunctions in place in a few countries

... talk about handicap :)
[Off-topic] upichie:
Regardless, arguing over fact makes you a fanboy.

Congrats to Sammy! This was fairly foreseeable though.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I agree, gratz to Samsung. I'm just pointing out something to help Marty in future endeavors.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Understood. In that case, I agree with you. I'm pretty sure the iPhone is offered on all major US carriers now, not just one.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
3 of 4, T-mobile doesn't have it and given that they're the more "indie" carrier I have my doubts that they will. I dont think apple would be ok with their low cost data plans.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Ah, that's right too. Slipped my mind! Thanks for the clarification. :)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
T-Mobile is satisfied with the look-a-like SGS.
[Off-topic] upichie:
This is unequivocal provocation. Please refrain.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Awesome post :D
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Not at all. What you said is, though. What I said was actual and factual. What you said is an attempt to incite. T-Mobile doesn't beed the iPhone because they a phone that looks like it.
[Off-topic] lzhikai1994:
See it from another angle. iPhone is the direct representation of the iOS operating system, thus if you want to buy iOS phone, you only have iPhone as a choice.

Whereas for Android or the ultra old operating system for phones, there are thousands of competing phones. Being the best selling company that can overtake Apple, its no easy task.

As for the contract, I'm not sure as I am Singaporean. But I'm sure if you want an iPhone or others, you would change carriers just for it.

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[Off-topic] upichie:
Can you just stop? Saying stuff doesn't make it fact. The hardware doesn't look anything alike. The software arguably does (see: not fact), which is why it was changed. You're on a technology forum. I suggest you live in the present, not the past, or you'll find yourself left far, far behind.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Much better. Now I won't be harangued by the dude.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Welcome to the MartyLK ignore list club, it's rather exclusive, membership is only granted to those who can use logic and facts.

If you search for MartyLK online, as he suggested, http://www.christianforumsite.com/members/martylk.777/ you'll see what sort of person he is. His tactic for pushing people until they snap at him cost him his job but he hasn't learnt from his mistakes by the looks of things.

Remember, Marty may not be right all the time, be he's never wrong ;)
[Off-topic] jalyn02:
Wait! I thought Samsung phones was a iPhone, until I got closer and said wow! It's a Samsung's Vibrant BRICK!!! Of course there number one, It's the closest thing a broke person can get next to a iPhone.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Not even the software does. There's the whole widgets things that iOS doesn't have. And then there's the ever present menu button, a concept also absent from iOS. And so on.

Idk, the list has gotten so long, is it really an exclusive club anymore?

Ah yes, the flawed argument that the only reason one would buy an Android phone is that they can't afford an iPhone. How sweet.

Anyway, about the actual topic of this thread, I've seen some people have really hung to the distinction that Apple sold those 17.1 million, while Samsung merely shipped 28 million units. One, it'd be nice to know how Apple knows they've actually sold so many devices. And two, at 28 million shipped Samsung phones, I'm quite sure more than 20 million have been sold. Or will someone really claim Samsung over-shipped by more than ten million?
[Off-topic] upichie:
Haha! You're awesome, man. It's astounding how illogical some people can be. :rolleyes:

EDIT:

Don't worry, I completely agree with you. I merely said it arguably does because I figured, hey, why not throw him a bone. I now know better than to reason with him. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
lol...so true. That's why T-Mobile doesn't need to deal with Apple and all its restrictions and can simply sell a look-a-like.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Only 4 at the time of Q3, only AT&T and Verizon offering along with being a 14-15 month old phone. To be more precise of course.
[Off-topic] ph00ny:
i paid $199 for the iphone 4s 16GB and guess how much it costs to get the AT&T version of the GS2? yup $199
[Off-topic] jalyn02:
Dude, why do you think about just the phone? When you should; in some cases. The iPhone was and still is a higher income family/singles persons phone. The iPhone was originally a exclusive At&t hit and At&t charged more just because of the iPhone was onboard with At&t. It's when the imitators came "Vibrant" and Apple had to share the love to Verizon. Happy to say, Samsung got blocked in some countries for It's lack in the patent court war. My point is to say, why boast about who's better when clearly, the winner is the one who is being copied. To me, that just mean Apple is doing something right.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Very good points. But it harms Apple in the long run because Apple put in all the effort to creat the modern smartphone and it cost them in research and development. Then Samsung and others come along and don't spend a penny on research and development, they don't even spend a penny on the OS, and copy what Apple did. They put it on as many phones as possible along with a great many others and all of Apple's hard work, invention, research and development is out the window. Meanwhile Samsung and the others prosper and people act they deserve it and invented the smartphone.

They talk smack about Apple and WP7 and then whine and moan when someone barely says anything about Android. They post thread after thread disrespecting Apple and when someone posts anything even slightly negative about Android, they get on their moral high horse like they have no sin.

It causes me to hope Apple tears Samsung a new hole and hope Google has to pay.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
You do realize this makes Android the winner, right? Since Apple copied Android's notifications in iOS5. So to me, that just means Google did something right.

It would also make Compaq a winner, since Apple copied the design of Compaq's TC1100 for the iPad. To those who are unfamiliar with the device, this is the TC1100, from 2003:

Well, actually, by this criteria no one is a winner. Because everyone is copying from everyone. Some individuals treating Apple as special will not change the fact that Apple is no different in this regard. Even Jobs himself said it: "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

Man, some people just make it too easy... :)

Oh, and notice how above Marty is talking smack about Android vendors, at the same time as he's complaining about people talking smack. I mean really, can a person be an even bigger hypocrite than that?
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
I absolutely love Apple's new notification pulldown window! How cutting edge and innovative!

Edit: Looks like we are on the same page Gusar...you beat me by 2 minutes.
[Off-topic] lzhikai1994:
Yeah so innovative that my Android could do it a year ago. Coupled with a few notification widgets app

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[Off-topic] jalyn02:
That does not look like a iPad 2 sir. none of Apple's products look like that, see!
[Off-topic] Nerz:
Actually apple spends less on r&d then most other phone makers based on % percent of income. I'll provide a link later but just love proving facts to be false.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20121322-37/apple-r-d-as-percent-of-revenue-hits-a-low/
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
The point is, Apple made all the effort, even built their OS up from scratch, and spent all the money to get the iPhone out into reality, then others come along and copy them. They don't even bother to code their own OS. They get it free from Google, who also ripped Apple off. Screw you fake facts. I can produce anything to say anything I want it to say. The only thing stopping me is being truthful.
[Off-topic] jalyn02:
Really. RIP Steve. They will never get the point...Android bites Apple's to get full. Get it?
[Off-topic] Nerz:
Is ios not unix based? And since you know so much about goggles code (since you seem to have both ios and android source codes to compare), what did Google steal? Are the lines exactly the same in source since clearly Google didn't build their OS from the ground up. I guess ububtu stole from windows because it uses a mouse and shortcuts.
[Off-topic] Nerz:
Dbl post.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You tell me. Apparently something big enough to cause the head Google honcho to try to license it from Apple. Why would he try to license it from Apple if Android isn't using what belongs to Apple?

By the way, is Android free to hardware makers?
[Off-topic] chewbz:
This one girl asked if my phone was an iPhone lol, and it honestly its doesn't really bother me.

Companys copy each other and its just how the tech world works. I think people just trip over this phone game too much, there is much more to this world than aruging how copied who.
[Off-topic] b1ackplague:
Is this sarcasm? Because all of your posts here have been arguing that it is in fact free for the companies to use and that you are wholly truthful regarding what you say.

Yet...you're asking if what you said is actually true or not.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I'm making a point. I know it's free, but the other dude wants to ask about Unix. There is very little cost to the Android phones and high cost to Apple for the iPhone. Yet people ***** and moan that Apple products are over priced while comparing them to Android phones. Android phones aren't really low cost but they give their makers a huge profit margin based on those high costs and low investment. Apple has high costs based on high investment.
[Off-topic] spirikitik:
Surpasses apple yes, but still no updates on devices or 6 months to a year before updates is push, if you want to get updates buy a new samsung device
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
Based on the figures, that is exactly what is happening.

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[Off-topic] hungry81:
Here is a link showing how much Samsung was spending on R&D in 2006 BEFORE the iphone was released

http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/abouts...development/CompanyProfile_RDinvestment.html#

In 2006 they invested over 5 trillion Korean won in R&D That is a HUGE amount even accounting for currency value. These days they are leading the pack in areas like display tech, military tech and graphene mass production and application.

Counter that with apple who buys tech manufactured by samsung and other companies and sends it all to china to be mass produced cheaply at about $196 per unit. (Thats including materials and production)

source: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395035,00.asp

Who are the real innovators?
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
The real innovators are the ones who ionize air to make the air hard to enough to be able to project holograms or use particles which are affected by two magnetic sources that shape the particles into holograms. Not the one who makes a huge revolving hologram of the world that enables one to pinpoint or span certain areas in the earth quickly and according to the areas of choosing, enable a military commander to deploy the drones to the area to fight. Get what I mean?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
This has been repeated now by a few people (or was it ever only Marty?), but I have to ask, when did this supposed licensing attempt happen? Where does Marty have this from? Anyone who has links which show the details of this, post them please.
[Off-topic] sygeek:
Why am I not surprised?
[Off-topic] Gaugerer:
I'm not surprised that Samsung have surpassed Apple for the days of the tiny smart phone and huge tablet are over. Apple are trying to use their patents to stop progress towards large all-purpose smart phones but they are failing.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Its the other way around buddy, the iphone is a cheap chinese built Samsung/LG hybrid device device designed to successfully con you out of your money. LOLZ the irony, every time you trash Samsung you trash Apple. Great work dude.
[Off-topic] :
I don't understand why Apple-fans always use this ambiguous statement that Apple does all the R&D and Samsung (or other Android OEM) simply copies.

R&D spending budget for Samsung is 12.1T won/$10.77B for 2011.

Check this for 2010 data: http://www.samsung.com/us/aboutsams...and New Businesses for Sustainable Growth.pdf

26% of workforce in R&D

6.1% of consolidated sales in R&D

Check the number of patents they have: http://www.latestpatents.com/category/samsung/

Compare this to Apple's only meager $1.78 billion (not bad, but tiny compared to Samsung's). Also the ratio of their R&D budget to sales is declining.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=apples-randd-spending-hits-a-low-2011-10

So why all this BS about Apple spending everything and rest just sitting idle.

Most people won't even bother, but Samsung is investing heavily in technologies like batteries for electric cars, LED lighting, bio-pharma, solar panels. They plan to invest $20 billion by 2020. How many companies around can do that for various green-tech:

http://www.economist.com/node/21530976
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Well, Marty does it because he's weird.

The thing people like him forget is that samsung are manufacturers, they actually build components from scratch, while Apple is just a label that that dabbles a bit in OS modification.

When you see it like that it is obvious why Apples R&D budget is so small, all they have to do is update their OS to include a few new features, many of which were developed by 3rd paties and bought/stolen so the hard work had already been done.

Hardware developement they leave to companies like samsung and then just buy the components off the shelf to be sent to chinese factories with poor records on staff care.
[Off-topic] robosiris:
So true, however Apple is still making more money that Samsung though.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Source?

Or, to use a common meme: [citation needed]
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
it's likely but not a fact just because they pay ridiculously low manufacturing costs, overcharge for their products, and dont have to pay licensing fees.
[Off-topic] newter55:
Apple does indeed record higher profits than Samsung Electronics. Financial statements are easily found. As for Samsung as a whole, the results are not comparable, although we tend to refer to Samsung generically to mean the electronics firm.

It is not fair to compare the numbers directly however. Samsung spends 3x what apple does on R&D but apple pays income taxes at 2x that of Samsung. Many factors come into play but they are both doing very well over the past few years.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Then it shouldn't be a problem for you to link to them. Just to be absolutely sure.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Where, Which country?, Why do they pay more and why doesn't samsung pay as much in that country? And really does the level of income tax have anything to do with anything in this thread?
[Off-topic] newter55:
Considering that the post I responded to referenced apple earning more in profits than Samsung it is relevant in that regard.
[Off-topic] newter55:
http://m.samsung.com/us/aboutsamsun...itedfinancialstatements/IR_AuditedParent.html

http://investor.apple.com/results.cfm
[Off-topic] bojarevics:
wiiie! samsung ftw, all the way :)
[Off-topic] Turducken:
Let's start from the beginning, who is Strategy Analytics? A "firm" who makes money by publishing results? What's the firms reputation like? Who paid for these results?

I'm not saying the stats are jaded but anyone who graduated high school knows you need more than one source to draw a conclusion this is just more noise IMO.

In conclusion, "here's a pretty graph, yipee"
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
SA is to technology markets what Nielsen is to television markets. They have been at it for the better part of half a century. They are not some fly-by-night company who is in Samsung's back pocket... Moreover, the results are compiled directly from the manufacturers sales information that is provided directly from the manufacturers.

Sent from the bastard child of Zeus.
[Off-topic] Turducken:
Ethics requires forthcoming. Was this a solicited or unsolicited report? This the first question any analyst worth their salt asks and it's not included! This immediately raises an eyebrow. The analysts comments read like an advertisement, another hint. It's standard operating procedure, this crap happens all the time. Reports like these rarely mean squat, it's the sales and earnings reports that matter. Reports like these help to drive sales. I'm just trying to help those who have trouble reading between the lines.

Before the financial collapse no one questioned the big financial reporting agencies... oops. Reputation means a lot less today than it did 50 years ago.

**EDIT**

These are "shipped" numbers not sold. Consider Apple ships to 2-3 carriers and Sammy ships to alot. Of course they need to ship more, this also means more unsold units get shipped back to Sammy directly counting against earnings. So, how many more units does Sammy need to sell to equal Apples profit margins? Sounds like a college exam question, huh? ;)
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
This report is released every quarter.... Always has. The only bias you are seeing is from the news agency reporting the results. Go to a different news source if you don't like the bias, check AP or CNN, whatever suits your fancy. The results are however the same. You might be able to introduce bias into the reporting of a statistic but not the raw data.

If you knew anything about reading between the lines, you'd know that there were whistle blowers on every corner of the internet discussing the impending financial crisis in 08. Oops.

EDIT: in this regard, profit margins are not relevant. Samsung pushed more product, period. Everyone knows Apple has more tangible assets than the US Treasury. They pay diddly to have their product slapped together overseas and then charge a major premium to sell it to gullible pseudo-technophiles.

Sent from the bastard child of Zeus.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
If the carriers don't expect to sell they won't ask for the handsets to be shipped.
[Off-topic] gasolara2002:
I give my congrats to samsung. They have really did a great job in marketing and reaching out to all types of consumers and carriers. Apple is realizing that it was not utilizing the market now because even local carriers are getting the iphone 4s now(c-spire/cellular south). I say it will be good motivation for apple and samsung to innovate and come out with better products.
[Off-topic] upichie:
And that's really what it's all about, in my opinion: new, better, innovative products! Giving Apple a run for their money will force them to come up with new things, instead of riding on their already established throne. I'm seeing this as a good thing for both companies.
[Off-topic] Turducken:
Good thing CNN the AP and infallible reports softened the blow the financial collapse :p

Anyway, looking forward to the follow up, the earnings reports.
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
Hopefully you aren't using any major media outlet as your primary source of news.

Sent from the bastard child of Zeus.
[Off-topic] Turducken:
LOL :D

Seen my avatar - not exactly "Support the Troops" is it?
[Off-topic] TJBunch1228:
The troops are the only reason we are as free as we are. I'd go shoulder to shoulder with those boys and lay down my own life fighting for American freedom if I could. Asthma put a damper on that. Anyone who doesn't support the troops can use their freedom to buy a one way ticket to some other country.

You don't need to support the mission to support the troops.

Sent from the bastard child of Zeus.
[Off-topic] Turducken:
OMG I can barely dignify this with a response.

We're off topic and on different planets let's leave it at that, please.
[Off-topic] upichie:
"You don't need to support the mission to support the troops." That's really the only time I feel anyone could have something negative to say about supporting them.

Nevermind, I stand corrected!

I'm not even American and I find that offensive.
[Off-topic] Turducken:
For the record I do Support the Troops.... BRING 'EM HOME ALIVE!! However, I could never take up arms against civilians, that's tyranny not war.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
First to call Godwin's!
[Off-topic] upichie:
Awh, see? You hate the mission but support the troops. We agree! :)
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
I think we should get back on topic. You have no clue about the mission or the troops, so just leave it alone.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
... and going back on topic....

TG&M claims Apple iOS still dominates mobile market

yet the numbers and records they pull are outdated and only counts up to December of LAST YEAR 2010... so WTF are they talking about?

How about showing us some updated data for October 2011...

obviously they can't show that, else it would show how much better Android is doing than Apple

LOL :D
[Off-topic] Robbzilla:
Who's keeping Apple from making more?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Fragmentation concerns, likely. Though in all likelihood, Apple may well look into a variety of phones if marketshare falls off dramatically. I would love to see a 4.3" Retina-equipped version. You can be assured that if times get tough for Apple, they will do what they need to compete.

Actually, I'm fully satisfied with WP7, so any new iPhone wouldn't really be appealing at all. I'm invested in WP7 and love it with all its apps and games and its quality.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
No one cares..
[Off-topic] Turducken:
The smart guys in charge. Why make more models if you don't have to?

If Toyata could sell 100 million Camrys a year they wouldn't bother making the Corolla. Besides, if Apple see's that consumers really do want a 4.5" display, they'll make one. Let Android do the market testing.... smart.

Sammy's model is harder to maintain. More models + more distributors = more overhead and lower margins.

Regardless, you gotta love competition. I hope no one wins so the market remains vibrant :D

I play for team consumer ;)