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[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
th your current one. Then again, all of this may be ascribing motives and intent where none exist - it’s entirely possible that the root cause of the problem is just flat-out bad management (and/or the aforementioned spectacular dumbness).

A Price Observation All of the even slightly cheaper phones are much worse than the iPhone when it comes to OS support, but it’s interesting to note that most of the phones on this list were actually not cheaper than the iPhone when they were released. Unlike the iPhone however, the “full-priced” phones are frequently discounted in subsequent months. So the “low cost” phones that fueled Android’s generally accepted price advantage in this period were basically either (a) cheaper from the outset, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported or (b) purchased later in the phone’s lifecycle, and ergo likely outdated & terribly supported.

Also, at any price point you’d better love your rebates. If you’re financially constrained enough to be driven by upfront price, you can’t be that excited about plunking down another $100 cash and waiting weeks or more to get it back. And sometimes all you’re getting back is a “$100 Promotion Card” for your chosen provider. Needless to say, the iPhone has never had a rebate.

Along similar lines, a very small but perhaps telling point: the price of every single Android phone I looked at ended with 99 cents - something Apple has never done (the iPhone is $199, not $199.99). It’s almost like a warning sign: you’re buying a platform that will nickel-and-dime you with ads and undeletable bloatware, and it starts with those 99 cents. And that damn rebate form they’re hoping you don’t send in.

Notes on the chart and data Why stop at June 2010? I’m not going to. I do think that having 15 months or so of history gives a good perspective on how a phone has been treated, but it’s also just a labor issue - it takes a while to dredge through the various sites to determine the history of each device. I plan to continue on and might also try to publish the underlying table with references. I also acknowledge that it’s possible I’ve missed something along the way.

Android Release Dates For the major Android version release dates, I used the date at which it was actually available on a normal phone you could get via normal means. I did not use the earlier SDK release date, nor the date at which ROMs, hacks, source, et cetera were available.

Outside the US Finally, it’s worth noting that people outside the US have often had it even worse. For example, the Nexus One didn’t go on sale in Europe until 5 months after the US, the Droid/Milestone FroYo update happened over 7 months later there, and the Cliq never got updated at all outside of the US.
[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
Im not a fanboy i despise apple and the ios just thought this waz intersting because its true devices are not supported nearly enough
[Atrix 4G General] WiredPirate:
Agreed. And a good read too, even thought there was not much new info here I didnt know except some of your stats.. but what is the point here? Are you trying to accomplish something? or convince people to buy iPhones or Nexus phones? or rally us to join together and demand updates from carriers? Or just a general discussion so we can get some frustration out or..?:confused:
[Atrix 4G General] TinyRK:
Fits right in the ATRIX forum, right?
[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
No someone posted that link on motos facebook just figured id share. Ill always be an android user even if they never update devices. Just thought was an intersting article. I ignored the iphone parts but i guess updates is a bigger problem then i realized and hope the manufacturers abd google stop this and start supporting devices longer.

Mabye all android users need too start complaining too google and the manufacturers about this because . All over xda and other forums people are not happy about updates. Is a hot . . topic would be nice to not need a device every couple months to stay on a current os. And now with the dual core phone that are supposed too be futre proff. Lol yeah right even when quad cores are out the manufactures will continue this trend drop support on current devices so people have too buy a new one too enjoy new android flavors. But i really hope something changes that
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
All I gotta say is that we are well within our 18 months of support. Motorola needs to read that memo...
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
apple has one software iteration per year, while android has gone through 3 in the last 1.5 years.
[Atrix 4G General] crossix:
The question is does this really matter when these same devices (or at least most of them) still run the most current is through the help of CM?

Why would the manufacturer waste their resources when users can run a cm copy already?
[Atrix 4G General] Jotokun:
Us CM users (actually, ROM users in general) are in the vast minority of Android users. A very vocal minority, but a minority nontheless. So it hurts the manufacture's bottom line when these updates dont happen.
[Atrix 4G General] Deggy:
I have 3 friends that own an LG Ally. A mid range phone. And all 3 don't give a damn which android version they're on. They all got it for free with a 2 year contract. I feel they got ripped off. But again they don't care and I wish I had their attitude. :/
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
That's why people on Engadget are bragging that they can put IOS5 on their 3GS phones. Heck even Nokia is getting Anna and Belle within a couple of months on a completely dead OS.

Make it happen Motorola, (even if it's 2012) or many will be going to Samsung...
[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
Agreed my point in posting this is the manufactures need too suport us longer its ridicilous ifour hardware now can run new android flavors ajd it doesnt happen because there too greedy and want us too buy new devices constantly. I should have erased all the ios partsbelieve me all ios is just a pretty app launcher . Pretty much adw or launcher pro sums up the functionaloty of ios. And i wouldnt ever leave android even if i was offered an iphone 5 free
[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
This is a dual core phone yes theres several on the market but its not yet even the standard most people are still runing single core androids so too me if we dont see an official ics ota pretty darn ridicilous
[Atrix 4G General] xhazk:
Because they can't plan around warranty voiding 3rd party modifications. Not to mention Joe Blow wont open advanced settings, let alone flash a ROM. Ever do tech support? People are stupid.

Which sums up the thread. Yes we are being gauged on these phones, and it works.... because people as a whole don't know or care.

Want to spread the word on that graph? Dumb it down, add a cat or two, put it in a black caption box with some generic 'meme' text and post it on Failbook.
[Atrix 4G General] silver03wrx:
Haha thank u i agree with u and thats hilarious because its true dumb it down and put it on fail book haha.
[Atrix 4G General] Cryingmoose:
I think it has to due more with the fact that every 6 months there is a new hardware sequel to your phone.

Apple has less phone models in 5 years then Samsung, Motorola, HTC, etc. have in a single year.They are all focused on this hardware cold-war at the expense of software.

Our phones may only be 6-12 months old for us, but to the manufacturer, they are already 3 generations back...
[Atrix 4G General] xsteven77x:
What happened to this?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Tivo7:
Ever since I got AppExtractor, Titanium backup has been old news.

https://market.android.com/details?...wxLDEsImNvbS5oYW5keWFuZHkuYXBwZXh0cmFjdG9yIl0.

AppExtractor allows you to extract apps straight from a CWM Backup (Nandroid). It even lets you restore SMS/MMS, Contacts, and Settings from a CWM Backup.

So instead of making a CWM backup AND backing up with TTB, you just make one CWM backup and you're set.

"I use Titanium Backup to freeze my bloat/system apps :trollface:"

Yep, Appextractor does that too!

If you're getting Force Closes after restoring apps, press the Fix Permissions button within AppExtractor and there's a good chance of that fixing the problem.

There's just one catch.

The backup you pull from HAS to be done through ROM Manager.

If you use ROM manager anyway, you have nothing to worry about.

If you make the backup through ROM Manager but it still doesn't show up, you need to update CWR. Scroll to the top of ROM Manager, its the first option, just press it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] neckbonest:
Already hit the thanks button. I will try it out. I am a big user of titanium back up. It works really good if you know how yo use it but I am always up for trying something new.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] zodder:
This sounds great. Just downloaded and will check it out
[Motorola Droid Bionic] indigomontoya:
Forgive this semi-off topic hijack. I am currently running Liberty ROM and want to check out the new shift3r 2.1 rom (but any rom is applicable) without losing all my settings and apps. Will this app do the trick? Is there another avenue?

Thanks
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Tivo7:
Make a backup through ROM manager before leaving liberty, reboot and go back to ROM manager and make sure the backup you just made is in the list under Manage Backups.

Follow the instructions to install shift3r (this should include a full wipe).

Once you're on shift3r, install ROM Manager and AppExtractor. Open up AppExtractor and Restore all USER APPS+DATA DO NOT RESTORE SYSTEM APPS/DATA (this will ruin the newly installed ROM)

Settings within apps will be saved, but system settings will not. System settings aren't much of a burden to set up though, you'll be fine.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] stevessvt:
Titanium just updated to do this too.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] indigomontoya:
Thanks for the tip. It seems I am having some problems with ROM Manager making the backup (the sdcard-ext isnt detected during the backup process and i see no status bar moving, which I have read are indications of problems. Plus, the backup doesn't show up after a reboot). I don't have time to trouble shoot it tonight, so this may have to wait.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Tivo7:
Backup not showing up means you need to press the first option in ROM Manager (update CWM).
[Motorola Droid Bionic] indigomontoya:
That did the trick. I had actually already tried that, but it never rebooted and so I figured it wasn't working. Oh well. One more silly question: Do I need to move the backup to my computer or external sdcard before wiping the system - if so where can I find it?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Tivo7:
It should put it on sdcard-ext automatically. No need to move anything.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Ceger:
Can someone upload a copy of the non-sensitive portions of their build.prop file in the system folder? I am trying to compare file differencs between the normal Flyer Gingerbread and the HC ROMs so that I can attempt to get US region setup.

Thanks in advance.

Ceger
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] i_m_omkar:
hey guys, Plzz help me..

I did the following:

1)I unlocked my phones bootloaders using: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1034087

2) I then rooted my phone using: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1043630

now i have a problem...

since i rooted my phone it is not detecting my sim card..

(i have the superuser app in my phone)

plzz help thanx in advance
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dousan:
It's a common issue cuz the rooted .img is of an old FW. I think it has to do with the radio/baseband has been updated on the new builds so going that far back messes things up in that departmend.

You could re-lock your bootloader and do an OTA if you haven't removed/frozen any system/apps or you could grab the newest compatible FW FTF file and flash it with flashtool and then root with zergRush.

Regards Dousan...
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] i_m_omkar:
Thanx mate..

I downloaded the fw and flashed it with flash tool...

Then rooted it with zergrush..(i have the superuser app in my phone)

now when i try to put CWM recovery image from http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1130639

it says:FAILED (remote: The Device must be rooted first)

plzz help.......
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dousan:
Sounds like the bootloader got relocked somehow unless you did it yourself?. Try to unlock it again and then issue the commands.

Regards Dousan...
[Xperia Play Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] i_m_omkar:
thanx but i dont think my bootloader is locked bcoz whenever i try to unlock it shows a message

(bootloader) Unlock phone requested

FAILED (remote: oem unlock failed!)

finished. total time: 0.003s
[Off-topic] Dirk:
..but there were only 3,920,842,735 when i was born! Has nobody heard of contraception? :confused:

I was the 78,195,979,093rd person to live since history began.*

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15391515

Mind=blown?

*not entirely sure what 'history' refers to here. Recorded history? Since the first Homo Sapien? Answers on a postcard..
[Off-topic] jasecloud4:
Meh. The Earth can easily sustain another couple billion before she starts falling apart. And hey if we want to lower the population significantly we can just get rid of India or China. :p
[Off-topic] Archer:
Are you sure about that? I told me that I'm the 3,836,620,365th person which means nearly 75 billion people were born between me and you :eek::eek::eek:

Edit: Scratch that - It's me being dumb and misreading the page. I was the 78,061,059,109th person.
[Off-topic] Dirk:
Direct copy/paste! LOL!

Contraception people! Use it!!! :p

I've heard varying estimates over the years of the maximum number that the planet can sustain. Between 12 and 25 Billion are numbers i've heard, before we 'run out of planet'. Some could reasonably say we've already reached that point already!
[Off-topic] husam666:
that's me:

When you were born, you were the:

5,443,677,780th

person alive on Earth

80,596,424,130th

person to have lived since history began
[Off-topic] jasecloud4:
When you were born, you were the:

1,744,890,692nd

person alive on Earth

72,505,844,764th

person to have lived since history began

Damn...ya'll are youngins.

~Jasecloud4
[Off-topic] BeerChameleon:
Apparently not... :eek:

Honestly i don't understand why someone wants more then 3 kids.. after 3 kids either the woman should get the tubes tied or the guy should get vasectomy ,

And also parents should take care of there kids and teach them about birth control... the problem is that they don't believe in birth control cause of their religion or they drink too much and forget to wear one or they just say F*ck it and do it anyway even if they don't have a condem :rolleyes::rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 10:14 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:11 AM ----------

When you were born,

you were the:5,063,227,422ndperson alive on Earth

80,001,709,065thperson to have lived since history began
[Off-topic] Dirk:
I'm still laughing at the line, "when History began".

What does that even mean? :confused:
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
The planet regulates itself. Natural disasters and epidemics. Personally i think it's a good thing. I don't like seeing people die but someone has to go, so mother nature cleans up.
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Well thats crp! What do us 100< y.olds do :p
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Nah...when I was born, I was the only one on Earth. The population was 1 :cool:
[Off-topic] bhavi_jp:
Contraception? What is that?
[Off-topic] Dirk:
It's amazing to think that the entire world is reliant on a simple premise that we need ever more young people to sustain our race and our economy. It sounds logical but it's a dangerous and unprecedented runaway effect! Look at it like this:

The Welfare system in the US went something like this. "We in power will want to retire when we're old". "Who will pay for that?". "Well, the young 'uns who are working will pay for that. There's less of us and more of them after all, so each of them pays a fraction, which is enough to sustain us few"

Of course that large group of young people grow old and become a large group of old people. An even larger group of young people are now needed to provide for that ever increasing group of old folk. Even an imbecile can see how badly that logic fails. In it's inception there were 40 young folk providing for each of the elderly. Now its almost completely reversed and the state has to make up the difference.

This is what the worlds economy is based on. Illogical math. It's the same with population. We have a runaway but unsustainable population growth. When the same thing happens in a Deer population for example, when the herd becomes bigger than the habitat can sustain, nature will take over and the herd will reduce it's number naturally. Some will starve of course but they will learn over time that it's not a good time to reproduce and birth rates will fall. All species control their numbers in this fashion.

Oh, with one exception, Humans. We're reliant now on ever increasing numbers to sustain us while simultaneously digging a deeper and deeper hole for ourselves. From a socio-economic standpoint we're the herd that's about to outgrow our habitat. I wonder what natural mechanisms will come into play?

Some already have of course. In the civilised world birth rates are falling. Makes sense as people can only afford two, not four children any more. That's a nice natural control. The problem is we now need six to sustain our economic infrastructure. So on the one hand, we're lightening the load on our fragile resources, but we're dooming ourselves to economic calamity at the same time!

Anybody who can reconcile the two and solve both problems at once will probably end up as not only Nobel Lauriete, but as Supreme Leader and ruler of the planet for life!
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Have you watched Logan's Run? :D
[Off-topic] Dirk:
All manner of dystopian movies, including that one! I'd be eight years in the grave using that system of population control. If you've read the Stephen King short story, or seen the movie version, 'Children Of The Corn' had the same premise.

The thing is we are kinda living outside of natural controls now. One person i read said that "we no longer evolve as a species, we evolve our tools instead". It's scary but true. The human lifespan was significantly shorter in the age where we had less control over it. Survival of the fittest reigned supreme. If there wasn't enough food to go around, the population stagnated until there were bountiful supplies again.

Now we don't care if there's enough to go around. There isn't, we all know that. But what we have isn't distributed equally. That's the real crime. 10% of the world using 90% of the worlds resources? While the 10% die in poverty?

That my friends is nothing short of ****ed up.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
For those who came to this post from a Google search, it has been removed and in its place is a correction based on a new understanding.

That new understanding is the knowledge that macro evolution is a lie. Anything about the universe that contradicts what a certain belief system says is false based on new knowledge and understanding.

I apologize for spouting falsehood and haring the belief system of anyone harmed by what I spouted as truth.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
We'll jump in generation ships and head out into the galaxy.

Or, once mining asteroids takes off, the creation of space stations, think Rama, or Bab5.
[Nook Color General] dvrdwn:
Can I setup my NC to dual boot into NC 1.3 if I already have cm7.1 installed or do I have to start fresh with NC 1.3 . Can someone point me in the right direction?
[Motorola Droid 3] lunacie:
So, I've been doing some Android development tutorials, as I have almost no experience in any sort of coding. I'm working in Ubuntu 11.10 with android-sdk-linux, Eclipse IDE, & java version 1.6

Things are going ok, but...

I tried to export a signed apk of my application project from Eclipse yesterday, and when I try to install it on my D3 I get this error:

Error Parsing Package

What am I doing wrong?

thanks in advance...
[Motorola Droid 3] Willis111:
Sorry bro, I have no idea. You might get more help Android Development and Hacking or more specifically Android Software Development which is a subforum of the first link. Sorry I personally can't help you out more than that, wish I could.
[Motorola Droid 3] elkay:
If your device is recognized as a development device, you should be able to just hit the 'Run' button and it should compile your app, install it to the device and automatically launch it. Your device needs to have USB debugging turned on and you need to have the ADB driver installed (need to get it from Motorola if this is a Moto device, it won't install automatically like the rest of the storage drivers).
[Motorola Droid 3] lunacie:
My Droid3 shows up as ???????? in adb. I was exporting a signed apk to install because I can't get the device to recognize. Am I missing a configuration of some kind? I'm guessing there's some kind of vendor code or something that I need for ADB to work properly with my phone?

tnx

EDIT: think I figured it out. it's the udev rules, looks like i'm on the right track....

EDIT 2: Got it! Thanks for the heads up.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alex15032:
I'm running CM7 and had an issue I noticed yesterday with my market. I am able to download free apps and games as well as update currently installed apps. I am unable to purchase new apps and I get a generic error message stating "An error occurred. Please try again"

Anyone else having this issue and is there a way to fix this?

Btw running market 3.2
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skreddy:
same problem here
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 696kris969:
same with me also :(
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skreddy:
I dug myself a deeper hole now i cant even run market cause im getting com.android.vending force close which i havent been able to fix for the past 3 hours. Market Enabler might be the soloution for the initial problem however.
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
My issue on my Evo was market 3.2. I had to go back to 3.1.3 and let it update to 3.1.5. After that no problems
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gqstatus0685:
What am I missing? It's not working and I thought it was enabled natively? Any way to enable this without root? I could have sworn i saw a video review saying it was an included functionality. Thanks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] latinmaxima:
What cable are you using? Has that cable worked for you on another device? I ordered a cable for my xoom and it says it should work for the Epic Touch as well but I have yet to receive it to try.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gqstatus0685:
I have the Motorola Xoom OTG and two eBay angled OTG cables. They work perfectly with my Xoom.

I looked in the dev section and it looks like non of the ROMs support this. I'm just confused and frustrated.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
Others have said its disabled in epic touch
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssmr2t:
HELLO!!

I downloaded button remapper and now all of my hardware heys on the lower part of the phone (Menu, home, search, Erc..) do not work.. I do not get any captivate feedback either. ITs like their completely gone..

I trired to restore old config from button remapper but its the same state.. Can someone please help me by directing me in the correct direction to get these working?

Fyi- The volume and power button works fine still... just the light up captivate buttons.

Thank you

!!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silver03wrx:
Did u try flashing the sbf?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssmr2t:
No, I have not... Will I loose stuff? I just rather prevent that if possible.

THank you for your response.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silver03wrx:
Yes you will. If your rooted and have unlocked bootloader. Use titanium backup back up your apps with data. Then flash the sbf redownload titanium and restore your apps and. Data
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssmr2t:
NVM, thanks for your help.. I just restored a nandroid and that fixed it.. Thanks!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silver03wrx:
Good too know. Wasnt sure if thatd help or not. Glad it did