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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Bigmille:
Not possible, I've tried with Nuforce portable DAC/amp and desktop Cambridge Audio DacMagic using USB connection.

A relative cheap portable amp will still produce more than acceptable music expensive even with the Yamaha DAC for a phone.

P.S. If you are going to spend that much money on a portable DAC/amp, you might as will get an ipod clasic with line out bypassing the internal DAC. Plus you will have more space for you uncompressed music.

Also would like to know what headphones are you planing to use with that DAC/amp.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] blackstar84:
Maybe you did miss the part about ice cream sandwich (ICS), in ICS it will be possible to connect usb devices much similar to an computer from my understanding... then an usb dac should work..ICS is expected in February for note..

And no, I would stronlgy prefer to have my phone as an audio player, I have limited amounts of pockets I can't carry around, Smartphone, mp3player, plus usb dac..too much **** to carry around...also it would feel better to have all at ONE device..instead of flipping between different devices..and mp3 players usually do not have the smae good interface as phones..and no I will never buy an apple product or an ipod.

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http://europe.beyerdynamic.com/shop...udio-and-stage/studio-headphones/dt-1350.html
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Bigmille:
Fair enough, I can see the advantage of a single mobile device. Also an option to bypass the internal DAC in ICS would be nice, I guess we will find out when the Galaxy Nexus is released.

The music quality is not too bad when using the stock music app, its only when using other apps like PowerAmp you notice lower quality between the Note and other devices with better DAC.

Cheers for the headphones link, I'm looking to replace my Sennheiser IE8 and will check it out.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Eppic:
Holy Crap!

I just assumed people were probably exaggerating about the poor music quality, perhaps being hypercritical.

WRONG!

The music quality on the Note is beyond horrible. I am coming from a Nexus One, which had excellent audio quality, almost as good as my Sony player (which easily blows away any iPod).

I am not a hardcore audiophile, but I am not tone deaf either, so I agree with those that make the case the the music quality is completely unacceptable...therefore, if that is an important feature for you, its best to consider other phone options or keep your separate MP3 player.

Otherwise, other than disappointment with Touchwiz (I have always been a Nexus guy), it's a great phonblet, but the (lack of) music quality is a real stunner, so best be aware of that. I may consider a quick swap for the Galaxy Nexus if the audio quality is significantly better (I also want the NFC, and ICS of course).

[P.S., I tried various music player apps and earbuds but the quality ranged from truly awful to just terrible]
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] sauron0101:
@Eppic

I'm not surprised.

So far, we have one person who is saying (and has created multiple threads) above to anyone who will listen that it is better than the GS2, and everyone else ... at best, undecided, at worst, noting that the audio is quite poor.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] watch_mania:
Could be possible if someone ports a USB digital audio output driver for the kernel. Just a 0.5 cents talk-is-cheap words :p
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] aussiebum:
GSMArena finally has the Galaxy Note review out, and as expected the Galaxy Note's audio output is a LOT better than the SGS2's, esp. with headphones attached. Yes it's not as good as the SGS or the Nexus, but I still maintain reckon it's acceptable (when paired with the right music player, ie. Neutron MP) in noisy environments like a train/bus.

I've linked the same audio tests for the SGS2, SGS and Nexus One for comparison.

(scroll down to bottom of page for results)

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_n7000-review-676p8.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9100_galaxy_s_ii-review-597p8.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/google_nexus_one-review-457p6.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478p6.php
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] AnandA777:
The gsmarena test does show pretty good objective numbers for the Note for audio quality. For the people who feel that the sound quality is bad, in what way, specifically, does it sound bad? Have you tried adjusting the EQ?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] watch_mania:
It's that bad as it sounds like a pure YAMAHA audio system. Tight but clean.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ninjikiran:
The dac inside the galaxy SII is on a level far above that on my t-mobile G2. The g2 made everything sound like it was being funneled through a dingy tin can. Barring detail lost and mushy sound.

The Galaxy S2's yamaha dac had decent seperation of sounds and was cleaner(didnt notice as much static, more clarity and understanding of what you are listening to). Still the dynamics were poor~ and detail retrieval was still hit or miss due to it.

My $50 MP3 player(Nationite Nanite N2) completely trumps the phone. Its about as close to a desktop system as portable can get. Dynamics are mostly in tact, detail's are not completely obscured, ect ect.

Think about a giant veil, and every time you move a gradation up the veil is being lifted. Until you get to a level where there is no more veil and the differences are subtle enough to call it a day unless you are true audiophile. For instance spend a month listening to music off of my desktop system and then go a day listening to the same music through your onboard sound card. Even if you are mostly deaf the difference in clarity will be very profound.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rupple:
I have done an A/B sound quality test of my new Note comparing it to my HD2 using Sony MDR-EX310 (mid-range) and Shure SE530 (high end) IEM headphones:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19494602#post19494602

verdict: Note has a clean signal but overall SQ is worse than on the HD2.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
Well, I did some comparison tests in a showroom, but i dont own a Note neither a sgs2..

But did you ( or another GNote owner) try the Rockbox player?

I did it try it on my sgs1 and it got some impressive sound settings features..altough the UI sucks a little

And if somebody try Rockbox on the GNote, before you start :
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] rupple:
Have not tried RockBox, which offers more refined psychoacoustics options (i.e. post hardware signal computation).

But as this is computational, it will not change the underlying hardware / signal path implementation.

Sometimes a driver change might improve things though.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] vitalij92:
Its okay for me, but if i would have hi end inears the sound would me horrible.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] jay_993:
hey i own a shure se530 as well haha btw cant believe that you think hd2 got better sound quality...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] mohdalmr:
I think the sound is good, i really dont care which company made it, i just want to hear a good clear sound =D

Thnx for the info's anyway.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] BenG7:
Hi guys

have you read these tests:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_n7000-review-676p8.php (biased you think? Could not find any other decent tests)

so why do we (sgs 2 users) get such crap sound, this could mean they've improved the software... if so, can the improvement be ported to the SGS 2?

(sorry - also posted here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19670868#post19670868 and I think I will bring it up in the SGS 2 forum as well)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] aussiebum:
I doubt it's software. They probably redesigned the system board so that there's proper EMF shielding (or it's just further away from the cpu) for the DAC in the Note.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Niuseek:
It's so funny to see people complaining about sound in the galaxy note because it has the same poor quality chip as SGS 2, however when GSMARENA test has been released, they've suddenly realized that it's much better than the SGS 2 sound.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] DaveC1964:
One of the things I noticed with the Note and my Infuse is that the output is very weak. Neither of these will drive my cans with much volume. As it is I need to max the pre-amp in PowerAmp, and have the volume at max for many albums (some are recorded quieter than others). I guess they designed the output to drive those crap buds they provide and never thought anyone would connect higher end, less efficient cans. Big oversight.

When I used my Zune HD it had enough volume to drive the headphones with some to spare. All of these phones are weak. I guess I need to get an external headphone amp but not sure which is best. I don't want ones that alter the sound, I want an amp that just increases volume.

I really can't give an opinion of the SQ with the note as the volume is to low.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
You should be doing more reading, more testing and less speculating:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19128299&postcount=3

Did you try the GNote sound yourself? Is much better to believe your own ears than getting impressed by opinions of users that you dont really know....

Trolls are everywhere.... and in all kind of shapes....dont forget it

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[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Fredag:
Swedroid did a test on sound quality:

(To bad I can not post links yet, had to remove it)

They conclude the test by saying it's the best result they ever measured. It comes very close to their reference MP3 standalone player Sandisk Sansa+

They are a bit surprised to see it perform so much better than SGSII. I guess I am a bit surprised too...

:)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
Thanks for the info...Here is the link:

http://www.swedroid.se/test-av-samsung-galaxy-note/

And here the translation (sound part):
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] darkmax1974:
that excerpt looks almost professional..... But I do still say that when it comes to audio quality, there are far too many factors, including a very unreliable variable known as personal preference.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
That's not the point.

The point is that what is not well implemented on one device, does not necessarily means it will be also bad implemented on another device.

Talking about individual taste, I did a comparison test between the Note and the sgs2 and I own a sgs1 with the Wolfson dac and voodoo sound improvements...

I hope you are not just trolling around.....
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Fredag:
Thanks, nice job with the translation. Your point is very valid.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
What is cute to read, is that ppl are going to use a $700 portable tube amp; to listen outside in the noise to a compressed mp3 audio signal....Call themselves audiophil..

You should test the beyerdynamics with the supplied airplane plug while the plane is taking off, i am sure you will appreciate all the fine nuances in a Tchaïkovski sonata..

Man if you are about loving fine music, you listen to perfect gear, using perfect source material in a perfect environment.

You are talking about a phone for god's sake.

I only got my note since yesterday and haven't tested it with my headphones.

The sound from the internal speaker was not bad, but the fact it only got 1 speaker shows this

phone is not meant to replace a music system...

Since I do own a P1000 galaxytab with voodoo sound i will do some subjective test runs on both devices and let you know my findings.

Now for some techtalk, it is important to match the impedance of your amp with your headphones.

Both can be low or both can be high, but don't mismatch them, as it will result in standing waves.

I tried many headphones on my ipod touch, and on my galaxytab.

I was starting to think that my ears might be getting old, hence i am already 45 !

Until I stumbled upon the senheiser cx680i, and I rediscovered the so beloved

(by me), detail that i have been missing from my portable gear for years...

However we are all different, liking different sound. Specs and Graphs don't say it all.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] LordManhattan:
I'm no audiophile, but i got shocked on how much better the Note's audio is compared to my Desire HD. Shocked i tell ya! I'm not using the Samsung headset, but i'm actually using the one i got with the DHD. I'm getting better bass from them.

Again, i'm no audiophile (a.k.a irritating), but i know what i - myself like. And that's all that matters!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
Ok i promised to get back to you.

I tested both the Note and the Tab

Both sound great, although the Tab has a lot more volume using the voodoo driver set to max output, the Note feels clearer and has more dynamic power.

I must state that i am a guitar player, using bogner tube amps, so i do know

a little bit about dynamic sound.

Ppl saying that the Note sounds bad, should go and see a doc.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] knights.JayTana:
the problem with this is that we're just reliant on Samsung's development... If only YAMAHA can make share us the Source, then Devs like SUPERCURIO can do a lot of work to improve it...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] btyeh:
Here's my little opinion about the music playback quality of the Note compared to the HTC HD2 I had before, for all those users coming from that device...

Pair of Headphones: Sony Premium EX Earbuds (MDR-EX510LP)

Coming From: HTC HD2

Using: Stock HD2 ROM with stock music player and the Audio Booster plugin (preloaded on the device) equaliser set to "Bass Boost"

Comparing To: Samsung Galaxy Note

Using: stock Note ROM ,stock music player with no equalisers loaded, and PowerAMP Music Player (from the Android Marketplace here) with the equaliser set to "Bass"

I am not a audiophile, but the HD2 does seem to have better musical quality when comparing to the same song being played on our Note. I can only describe it as being a little "more treble" and "less bass" than what I was used to on the HD2. The sound also seems to be very "skinny", as in "thin and rather too sharp" of that makes any sense.

So I ended up trying other music players and found that PowerAMP with the Bass equaliser preset seemed to give me the closest sound reproduction to what I was used to on the HD2. This player is only what I have come across so far so I'm not sure if there are better players out there.

Also, I remember reading somewhere on this forum that if we were to use a bluetooth stereo A2DP adaptor with our Note, we bypass the music output hardware on the phone and be dependent on the bluetooth adaptor itself. I am going to try with a Sony Bluetooth Adaptor DRC-BT30 a little later on.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] karmarocket:
So I am really interested in buying the Galaxy note. This particular thread has caught my attention since I use my iPhone 4 as my main music listening device.

How is the Galaxy Note music quality compared to the iPhone 4? I use Logitech Ultimate Ears 700. Will most likely move up to Sennheiser IE8's or IE80's (since I actually washed my 700's!). Mostly listen to Rock, Blues, and Blue Grass

If it's equal to or better than the iPhone 4, than I'm a happy camper :)

thanks!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
So why not go into a store with your apple and headphones and do a live test ?

It will be 100% more reliable then the 'objective' answers we can provide...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
The Note it's not up to he iPhone in the audio front. The iPhone intermodulation distortion, output impedance and stereo crosstalk performance trumps not only the Note but every other smartphone around.

But the Note screen estate trumps the iPhone so you might make a sacrifice in one area to improve on the other.

I'm still weighing whether to ditch my iPhone for the Note. But the amazing sound the iPhone offers is still holding me back.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
I don't think the iPhone audio performance trumps the sgs1's + voodoo tweaks, but cannot be sure cause I never compared the sgs against the i-Phone..

I did compare the sgs1 against almost every other portable device including not only phones but also some cowons (i-audio), creative and even the i-Pod...

Did you try the sgs1+voodoo yourself?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Yes i did. Very good. But instrument separation and openness was still audibly better on the iPhone. And aside from the SGS I Voodoo'ed i have never heard any other smartphone that comes even close to the quality of the iPhone headphone out.

But again it's about defining the priorities. If you are into high end multidriver iem you will benefit from iPhone plus of openness and aural refinement. With middle of the road dynamic headphones the differences won't be as noticeable.

To me the audio issue is as clear as that: first is iPhone then the others.

What i'm trying to discern now is how's the Note wifi. I could give up on the sound and use my iPod for that purpose but wifi is essential in a device that i would get just to read ebooks and surfing the net. If the wifi is flimsy or worse than on the iPhone that i have then i would live with the tiny screen it has.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hagba:
After reading this thread I wanted to make a comparison between both my HD2 Gnote and wife's Iphone 4.

I used the original HD2 earphones,since noticed that Gnote's has too much treble and little Bass in it:

The difference was quiet clear to me HD2 with the SRS WOW HD installed on it would blow up everything came across,including the Iphone 4.I would suggest Iphone 4 owners not to jump into premature conclusions without having it tested against The HD2 with SRS installed,while my GNote was the quieter of them all but not the worst in the terms of quality though.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] Jeshter2000:
Curio got something up his sleeve .. Check his twitter!
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
This is the sad truth (As for audio goes) for a 33ohm load:

IMD+Noise / Stereo Crosstalk / Output Impedance

iPhone 4 - 0,0076 (-88dB) / -84,2 dB / 0,97 Ohms

Note - 0,066 (-63 dB) / -54,2 dB / 3,44 Ohms

And the Note measures quite similar to other flagships like the Razr or Galaxy Nexus.

That's why it's clear to me that first comes iPhone and then all the rest.

You can try to cheat your ears with bombastic DSPs (Likr SRS ;) but at the end of the day if don't reduce sound to the lowest common denominator by using cheap earphones what comes across is that unfortunately iPhone is in another league headphone out wise.

Supercurio is lending a hand by raising the output power for the Yamaha chip but i don't think there's any chance to fight intermodulation distortion or channel bleeding via software.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
I think the Note got great wifi performance and also important good gps performance...

But I am not sure, I still don't own one....

But I think I will get the Note anyway.......That 5.3 inch screen is damn appealing...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] hagba:
Obviously this is the last branch you are holding yourself on everything else being gone!!.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
Well...Twitter is one thing....

Did Supercurio started a thread over here already?

Not even a "bounty" one?
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
I'm about to buy the Note as well because of the screen.

But i will commission my iPod and iBasso T3 for audio duties. With the iPhone i did not need them on the go but with the Note i'm afraid i will.

What is worrying me is to get an unstable wifi connection since i'm reading a few threads hera about it.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
Can you post the links to those threads?

Don't believe everything you read...

Android forums are a world apart ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
One thread is called wifi under the General Note forum. The other is on the Q&A forum.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cesarleeds:
I use wifi everyday paired with Wifi Keep Alive and it works fine, no problem at all, 1gb of data yesterday through Wifi with no interruption.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Not hiccups even with walls in between the router and Note ? If wifi is stable i'm ready to commit for the sake of the screen even losing the convenience of having my music on the phone instead of carrying around a dedicated player.

It was a huge mistake taking out from the pocket my iPhone and putting it side by side with the Note. It's gonna cost me a few hundred.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] ph00ny:
What about the music source? Same one on both for comparison? Im not trying to disprove you on your observation but just wanted some more information. Even with same source, things like the music player has a huge impact on final output

Has anyone try the phonak iems? In terms of clarity and instrument separation, it made a huge difference on my sgs ii
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Same audio format (AAC 320), same files, same earphones (Westone UM3x).

I preferred iPhone to SGS I Voodo'ed. And the latter was good far better than the Note or the SGS II.

The thing here is that iPhones are just a marvel of engineering sound wise. The rest just get by better (SGS I) or worse (SGS II) but Apple does seem to know something unbeknownst to the rest of manufacturers.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cesarleeds:
Not a problem at all as far as i can tell, in fact my rooter is in a small locked place, not the best place for sure, and gets signal everywhere in the house.

About the sound, i do really hope Supercurio can get something done for all of us.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Thanks for the input.

What i would hope is that Samsung would hire Supercurio as an advisor before manufacturing the hardware ;)

Once the hardware is put together there's only little room for Supercurio's tweaks. And with this chip it looks that there's only room for a power boost not for a quality boost.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cesarleeds:
I do think once we get lhe loud issue sorted out it would be easier to find an acceptable quality with the right eq settings, at least i hope so.

I hope someone fix the internal speaker for calls, it´s so low...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
I saw some videos on Youtube, and I could see the wifi receiver finding many spots and with strong signal....

And I like comparisons....this is a good one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvdDDTUGJDo

Dont forget to start a thread over here about the wifi performance of the Note, because I know you are going to get one......hurry up :D:D
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Time will tell. I do have the Note on my Amazon basket for a 1 day delivery. So if i commit it will be fast ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] betoNL:
Let's try gain....

Check the signal strength out on this other comparison, this time against the iPhone and the LG optimus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QIzFqBurYFE#t=76s

Then reward and see the whole testing

And dont worry, I dont work for Samsung....just hesitating more than you on the Note...

With the latest rom I am using, my sgs1 is so good right now, it beats any iPhone, anytime ;)
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
Loving this last link. And i like to state that i'm not on Apple payroll ;)

This link reminds me that screen size wise the Note trumps the iPhone the same way that the iPhone trumps the Note headphone out.

I want the best of both worlds. But it does not look feasible for the moment.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] friedje:
Just try the Note on some good quality 16 Ohm ears, you might be bluffed with the quality of sound, you guys are whining over nothing...
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] elfary:
I think my Westone UM3x are good enough for any portable device:

http://www.westone.com/catalog/um3x-true-3-way-monitor

I don't have volume problems when trying the Note. What i have is a lack of detail and space when compared with the iPhone hp out.
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cesarleeds:
Hoping for some news from the french genie

Enviado desde mi Note
[Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General] cesarleeds:
And those would be?

Enviado desde mi Note