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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I never see that. Maybe I'm not looking for it. But my biggest problem with pentile before was the "denim" look. To me it looked much like the stitching of denim thread. Of course, I was using contacts at the time and required reading glasses to view anything up close. Right now I use glasses and don't notice the "denim" effect when I remove them to read.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No, I think it's idiotic to upload your own music to the cloud and then stream it from there, and I've always said that. The only reason why I mentioned SkyDrive was because Google Music was mentioned.

Phones should have adequate storage to begin with, that's like my main gripe with current WP7 devices. You're confusing me with someone else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That is what I meant with this:

See what I mean. That's totally fine with me, I respect your opinion Marty.

It exceeds in every way.

However I have a question for you all. I got it off the webs:

How long will Microsoft let two entire product divisions work on incompatible versions of essentially the same product?(windows phone 7 and windows 8) Why not just take the Windows 8 UI and move it onto phones?(ARM version of W8)

Answer that and you will see the position WP7 is in.

Apple is doing it, Google is doing it. You can bet MS will do it.

—-------+--

It makes no sense for WP7 to exist when W8 comes out. Call WP7 a transition OS. They will pull the plug just like they did with WM 6.5 and 6.5x.

However MS won't have ONE OS to rule them all, but similar OSs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You do know, you get free music from Google music, don't you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
That magnifier stuff? Yes, I know about it. Who cares.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
1) idiotic ? having the option to stream music OR download it (available offline) is an excellent idea. multiple devices, with the same synchronized playlists, with a fairly easy to use interface is a great idea. if there was only the option of streaming on a limited data plan, yes, i would be lame.

2) absolutely on the storage bit, and the storage should be simple to use, share, and change.

without turning this into a MusicBeta thread, i'd like to point out that a phone that has adequate storage space is a great thing. If the storage is swappable between devices, for offline streaming to OTHER devices, it gets even better. Nothing like popping a microsd card into a TV and watching a full length movie of today's activities in a remote cabin. or hell, just DLNA the content directly... open technology is a good thing. wp7 -can- be open more, allowing more uses of the OS, if ms will just loosen the strangling grip a little.
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
I cannot stand anyone that works in phone shops. Most of them (even the managers sometimes) are uneducated and have no idea what they are talking about and regularly tried to fob me off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I think we all can agree to that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
How can you compete with this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uS6d7fsPnM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Windows Phone 7 General] gentry33:
Kind of reminds me of the Teddy Ruxpin ads.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Yeah, I agree. The Android fanboys can't see how revolutionary Siri is in the 4S and keep bashing on the 4S for being the same old thing. But all the while they are all bashing it, Siri users are steadily growing in numbers in the background and soon the iPhone will create a whole new revolution.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Ummm, ok. Why must one bash or down play other OS, why not comment as an adult?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I can't tell you that. I just know they do it...all the time. It's childish, but that may be because they are mostly children.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gentry33:
You are right. Maybe I was being a little childish but I'm sorry you didn't see the humor.

From what I've gathered siri isn't all the ads would lead one to believe, though more advanced than TellMe. Voice recognition technology still has quite a way to go and I don't think it's advanced that much from the talking animated bear.

Please note that I don't rant, insult other members or call other oss crap.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Sure... everytime you drop the network. (my iphone friend was so depressed when Siri went down the other day and he couldn't talk to his phone. His co-worker however was singing in joy since they share an office.

btw Microsoft tellme in windows phone will read and reply texts also if you switch it from bluetooth to speaker. It will also search the internet and tell you the weather in any state (on the screen, not voice but looks it up via your voice) and even how much wood a wood chuck could chuck and every other dumb question siri is asked. (they both use wolf alpha but tell me also uses bing)

Now what iphone does have is voice dictation locally via nuance hidden like it's siri. That is something you should compare with.

As for streaming... what do you iphone users do in the middle of a building or basement like at my work's banquet room where there is no service? that means no music. Same as everyone else... better to have it on the phone. And what if you don't have unlimited data? since every carrier dropped it, have fun with Siri and itunes eating up your plan and costing you money.

And for streaming... besides skydrive

http://subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp

it also support iphone and android.

And this should be a windows phone 7 commercial although the guy didn't hit all the mango features

http://zollotech.com/2011/10/21/ios5-vs-wp7-mango-thorough-overview/

Have a nice day!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I can pretty much guarantee, based on history, that when MS does their version of Siri, it will leave Apple's Siri in the dust, just like PC's did to Macs. And just like WP7 has done to iOS. MS has never been first ever. Apple does it first, them MS comes and makes it better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
When you say Apple is doing it you mean iPad / iPod / iPhone ? Because Mac OSX is different enough to iOS. And Google? Can we even call Chromebooks computers?

But from a software design it is very simple: You put motorocycle engines in motorcycles and car engines in cars. It would make no sense programming an OS for both a hardware constrained, battery operated mobile device and using it in a system that some people use to run Crysis at past 1080p with AA and AF. Just will never make any sense.

No matter how powerful phones get, computers will be that much more powerful. Now if you would like to see some program compability between the two OSes I agree, even if in the form of a port, but can you even do that in OSX to iOS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] luniticlizard:
The first part of this video should be a commercial. Showcasing WP7's social skills should be the selling point MS uses. It really is great having all (well, almost all, dang you Google+) of your social sites in one place.

Referring back to the original post: when I went to Best Buy to purchase my HTC Arrive, the salesperson just looked at me for a second, then said, "What phone?" I couldn't believe it.

And just for fun, my bank has a app as well as my car insurance provider. And... I think Weight Watchers has an app now too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
B.S. My focus display looks better than a Samsung Infuse which has the amoled plus. If you have used a focus you would know it's display is excellent. It makes almost all other phone displays including the new iPhone look average.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
You're seeing the crappy look of Android on that SAMOLED+ equipped Infuse. Android will make even the Retina display look bad. If a WP7 phone had SAMOLED+, you'd see a glorious look to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Its the route they are all taking. Next year OSX will be closer to IOS. I think you understand what I'm saying.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekhwani:
Why windows phone is not popular.....I think because ...by the name of windows people think it would be to technical in using and its meant for technical persons only.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Probably for the same reasons WinMo was not popular.

MS insufficiently involved

Not enough marketing/communication

MS not listening to customers' feedback and wishes

Annoying bugs/stability problems that have never been solved

Impossibility for MS to think ahead and make the OS evolve quickly

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The situation is the following.... You are away from your PC (the one with Zune). There is a great audio CD that you just ripped.It's now on a PC and you would like to add this new album to your WP7 phone library.

Is there any way?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Yeah I see but this would happen once in a blue moon to be fair, unless you're lucky enough to be regularly on holidays. Plus they would have to be fairly long holidays for you not willing to wait a few days.

We can agree there are many more important issues with this OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Of course we can agree on most points.

To me the problem is unfortunately the whole philsophy of WP7:

I always hated locked down OS (this is why I have never been attracted by the iPhone).

I hate to be bound to a PC in particular, I hate to be tied to Zune.

The fact that I cannot easily share or transfer files via SD cards or USB cable is a real problem...
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheus1982:
Did we not know all of the above before WP7 came out?

Android is none of the above. Does that OS not meet your needs? Surely there is something for everyone right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Muvolt:
Windows Phone 7 isn't popular because of these reasons:

1. Not enough promotion

2. Many people think that "Windows Phone 7" is "Windows Mobile 7"...the name isn't enough to make them curious about a new product because it doesn't sound like a new product.

3. Too many devices. Consumers lose their focus when so many devices are available with WP7 on them...
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheus1982:
I agree with points 1 and 2. Having said that, I am starting to see some weird TV adverts for WP now. Even saw Louis Lane using it in Smallville!

Concerning 3. One reason I dont like iphone is the lack of device choice. I do not think that there is a huge of choice for WP7, especially for the new Mango devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Points 1 and 2 are valid in my opinion. Point 3 not though. Because if that was the case, then Android would be doomed. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I guess I will have to see the evolution to believe it. When you give someone a bigger plate he will take more food.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
what are you talking about? just because wp7 uses zune to manage your music does not mean you cant take that same mp3 straight from you hard drive and put it on your memory stick or whatever you like?
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Officially you can't.

I tried, but then you will not get the cover art nor the information concerning the song....
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
Ah yes i get ya now, this is due to it using its own database instead of writing to the file i assume. I didnt think of that as i just have zune on all my comps and considered the fact it left the mp3 file alone a bonus. I have had my collections screwed up before by software that thinks it knows best. That being said i think you have a point it would be good if they put say an option in to change the mp3 file itself like a hard write option. might be worth going in microsofts suggestion box.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
upload it to skydrive (no software needed) and download to phone. or drop box.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
Nokia CBD will fix that. At least you can use that outside.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Siri is modular. They can swap out nuance for something else in a ota update.

I rather use native is functions to manage my music. iOS doesn't need subsonic. They have iTues in the cloud. I doubt they care about that...

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Microsoft should have just update wmp for WP support, imo. Zune is cute but it's a headache to work with especially if you try to manage media on it and use more than one type of device.

I've had tons of albums split because of it using different info, album names within the album. it even went out and replaced high res album art with ugly low res art for some of my album, and they look terrible on the phone.

Wmp could already manage all the necessary libraries, and they could have plugged in the marketplace similar to how apple foes theirs in iTunes. It wasn't hard. Just seems like they took the lazy way out to conduct their wpf experiment.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] JohnMcD348:
Here's my take on this.

For starters, the other 2 main OS's out there have a near rabid following. Tho hinder things even more, Microsoft is leaving it up to the OEMs to hype and market their OS's by way of their phones which are limited in number. To add to this is the inability, or just simply not wanting to get the information out there that this

NEW!

Windows Phone 7 OS is not just another upgrade of the Windows Mobile OS from last year.

Also, a big plus for many people I've talked to about the iPhone is it's 1 size fits all platform. Yes, you are tied into 1 phone with a few variations, but it's the same form factor. Look at all the aftermarket that's out there for the iPhone/iPad. Now, how many true usable docking stations are out there for the Windows or even Android market? If Microsoft were to further lock in standards for their phones that would allow a larger market for others to want to support.

I'm somewhat impartial to the whole OS battles. I've been a Windows Mobile user for probably 15 years. I've considered going over to Android but never found any real reason to. Same for iOS. I've been considering iPhone only now because, as I've grown to really use the abilities of my Smartphone(Arrive), I've found myself wanting to do things with it that just aren't really possible right now. As I mentioned about the iPhone, I'd like to take it with me into the garage, dock it onto a portable system and use it to listen to radio, or music, or podcasts when I'm working out there. For me, that's probably the 1 reason I would choose iPhone.

WP7 is a bit of a relearning curve for me. I've been going WinMo for so many years, it was like an entirely new OS for me to have to learn over again. The idea of "Cloud Computing" also is something I'm not fond or used to but I'm grasping onto it. Before I went to WM6-6.5, I was using HP iPAQs and later my Dell Axim x51v's. I had them tethered to my cell phones and occasionally surfed on them.

I've never been an early adopter in technology. I like to buy and go after the kinks have been worked out. The majority of the market is like that also. I do tinker and build and play with tech, but when I'm using something that i rely on for work and hobby, I want it to do what I need it to do, when I need it to do it, without hacking it.

That's just how I see it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmegalodon:
I just don't understand people's reasoning at times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
More and more I realize the reason WP7 is failing is the lack of decent hardware.

I still did not find the WP7 device that corresponds to my needs... What a shame.

And the rumours about the Nokia phones announced just confirm this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Interesting thread, but I got bored with the banter about halfway through and just wanted to offer my small bit. I love the WP7. I realize it's in its infancy and that it has a lot of developing to catch up with the other players, but it's just so much more intuitive. I'm dual booting w/ Android atm and there are a few bits of Android that I greatly enjoy, but still prefer the UI of WP7.

iOS? Don't get me started. I just don't undestand how Apple can repeat someone else's concept and have people treat it as the next best thing since sliced bread. I co manage a few iPhones, iPads, Macs for a few friends who own a small business. When I upgraded the devices to iOS 5, I immediately pulled down the notification tab and was surprised that Google hadn't sued. The fact that Android has had it for a while means nothing to how glorious an invention it was now that Apple has released it. Apple makes fantastic hardware. I'll give them that. Truly truly beautiful.

Anyway... to my real point... had a good friend over for dinner a few weeks ago. He's very skilled in social media and has done work for a few companies in promoting their online presence. He'd been a Sidekick fan through all of its incarnations and now has had an iPhone for a few years. I put WP7 Mango in his hands and two minutes later he was saying that he was converted.

The integration/intelligence of WP7 is its strength. I hope that it will brave the competition and gain a foothold. There's nothing wrong with another strong player in the market. It'll keep the competition honest, right?

EDIT - I'm dying to add a rant about iCloud and Photo Stream. What a P.I.T.A.! Upgraded a client to iPhoto 11 so she could easily get photos from her phone to her desktop w/o the need for one-by-one emails or emailing to dropbox in the same fashion. "Ooooh! Photo Stream is exactly what you need!" I said. So we got her upgraded. THEN we learned that you cannot delete from the stream w/o going to great length. We also learned that you cannot control what photos get streamed and what do not. You must disable it from the phone, which deletes the folder. While it's disabled, then take the photos you want to take, and then reenable. Reenabling causes the stream to be completely downloaded again and will sync any photos taken while it is on. How far does one have to back out to change that setting and then go back in? THAT is poor integration. Poor, poor integration.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmegalodon:
I'm inclined to agree. Although if the Titan dropped on Sprint, I'd be extremely tempted. For some reason that monster of a phone catches my eye.

Sent from m-IUI
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
This is another valid point. The glossy ui covers up a wtf or twenty when trying to do normal things. A friend that wants to share a map or track or a route has to email it to me ? Can't just bluetooth it over or copy the sdcards files to my phone ? This very scenario lost one wp user. And two other potentials.

I really don't understand why similar tasks are so convoluted.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Just finished the Nokia keynote. Sexy sexy phone. I'm broke, but I need to come up with good money quick to buy it from the UK, since the bands will work here. Nokia is good that way in making phones that work all over.

Yeah WP7 will probably never be able to support SD card hot swapping for file sharing. They've taken such a unique RAID0-like approach to using SD cards. I hope they compensate in the future.

I'm in my mid 30's. I remember life before the internet. I remember life w/ corded phones and cell phones the size of your car. I remember books and movies fantasizing about the future. And now I say all the time... OMG, we're in the future. I run my finger of a perfectly smooth glass display and flick and scroll.

What can I say... it's the little things in life. :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
I don't see what's convoluted about it. Share via email or other service, select the contact, send, job done.

Always amused me to see two or more people in the pub frikking around with

What's your phone name?

Can't see you, have you BT on?

Is discovery on?

Got it.. what's your PIN?

Can you accept it?

Damn it's says transfer failed - try again?

or worse - pulling their phones apart to get at the tiny SD card!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Phones with hot swap cards can have an externally accessible SD card slot that allows it to b removed or inserted without taking the phone apart, so fail on that...

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Also there is no denying the sharing features on wp7 are weak compared to other platforms - very odd considering microsofts marketing angles.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You must be kidding.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
DUDE! WP7 DOES NOT SUPPORT HOT SWAPPING OF SD CARDS!!!

All memory is internal memory for WP7. My HTC HD2 has 1GB of internal storage and 16GB of external storage. "How does WP7 see it", you ask? It sees it as 17GB of internal storage, not dissimilar to RAID0.

Removing the SD card and altering the file structure renders it useless until a hard reset is performed, causing you to lose all data. This isn't even currently possible with the fact that the SD card becomes encrypted and there are only a few methods to "unbrick" them. One is with an old Nokia Symbian phone and the other requires an HD2 and devstorage_lock.

Your comment is completely without merit until WP7 is designed to treat storage space differently.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
Sure some phones can have external slots. But there's plenty that don't because the card is safely tucked away under the back cover or battery. And why would you be so 1990's messing around with memory cards when you can just press a button and have your data transferred (and backed up) online? Assuming you have a signal that is!

Not that WP7 is perfect by any means, even I admit lack of mass storage support without Zune is a big drawback. But you have to weigh up the overall user experience as a whole package, and for day-to-day slick operation, ease of use, and total integration WP7 is kicking it for me way over Android, BB, WM, iOS, WebOS or Symbian (and yes, I have used them all at length).
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
I used to do that.....lawl.

But yeah, it's ridiculous when people say why can't I have the freedom of being able to BT what I want, when I want it!

And how he described the scenario is TYPICALLY how it works out.

Lawl.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drokkon:
I only agree with #1. As many people pointed out, #3 has been a boon to Android, not a hindrance. I really like that WP7 is the best of both worlds: not as proprietary as the iPhone, not as fragmented as Android devices.

However, #2 doesn't make sense to me. How many non-nerds even know what Windows Mobile was or have any experience with it whatsoever? The only people familiar with Windows Mobile were either 1) early (pre-iPhone) smartphone adopters, of which there were few or 2) people forced to use Windows Mobile by their companies (again, of which there were few; Blackberry OWNED enterprise).

Now, if you had instead said that people were wary of the Windows Phone because the entire Windows brand has an image problem, with that I would have agreed.

Whoa. "Louis" Lane would make for a whole different kind of Superman... ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You bring up good points. There are a mass of users who have Android and iPhone simply because the store/friend/family member told them to get one. I'm surrounded with a bunch of women my mom's age. They all have iPhones and Android phones, and only a small handful actually know what they can do.

We've moved society into technology that so many don't have the need for. Of course, that person is an IDEAL candidate for WP7 in its intuitiveness.