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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] brendanmurphy:
I don't see why you all are worrying. On the galaxy s the only reason the phone lags is because we have a ****ty CPU. At stock clocks on the gpu we still beat tegra on smartbench 2011 and when overclocked to 250mhz we push over 700 points more then Tegra 2. The powervr540 by no means is weak. And the overclock scales very well. At 384mhz it will run circles around tegra
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] King Shady:
Your so dumb haha. The Hummingbird was the best, smoothest single-core processor of it's time. If all you care about are benchmark scores then you are truly an idiot. I can guarantee that the Galaxy S was smoother than other top tier single core handsets like the Droid X, Evo 4G, etc. Learn to research before you bash the best mobile processors (used on the most popular single smartphone - iPhone - and the most popular Android smartphone- Galaxy S II)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vaxick:
I love how everybody fighting over the performance of phone nobody has actually tested yet. Shouldn't we wait for the phone to come out before we judge its performance?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ace42:
Agree. Performance of my MT4G(rooted) was awful in games, my previously owned SK4g(hummingbird) ran games 100x better with no visible lag....Please not that the MT4G has 2nd Gen Snapdragon & Andreno 205...And lost to the older SGX(ouch). SGX blows the adreno, I'm expecting @384 it will smoke the 220.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaykresge:
I find your first sentence to be ironic. The Hummingbird was not a processor, it is a system on a chip (SoC). What is an SoC? It's a combination of many components, to include the CPU and GPU. The GPU, as we all know, is the PowerVR SGX540. the CPU is the ARM Cortex A8. Guest what else uses the Cortex A8...the OMAP3 series, like the Droid X you referenced.

So basically, you made a claim that the 1ghz A8 in the Galaxy S was faster than the 1ghz A8 in the Droid X. Sorry, but that's a false statement. Also, the Scorpion CPU (found in Snapdragon SoC) is 5% faster than A8 for most operations. That means that the Evo's CPU is faster than the Galaxy S's CPU (larger process means worse battery life though).

So, why is the Galaxy S so damn smooth? Touchwiz. Stock Android prior to 3.0 does not use use hardware acceleration for user interface interactions (pan, zoom, scroll, etc.), TouchWiz and Sense do this, and Samsung made it more fluid in the 2.3 version of Touchwiz. The CPU has little to do with this (it's all API usage and GPU).

So, in summary, before you call someone an idiot, you should probably research your claims. The CPU in the Galaxy S is not faster than the CPU in the Droid X because they are the same CPU at the same clock speed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] keskincene:
i See it also like that...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b15love:
There's always room for antialiasing..

Think I will just go with the Note on at&t
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Room for it maybe. But why take a hit on performance? You using a microscope or magnifying glass while playing games?

I voided my warranty and your nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b15love:
Funny. But I can tell the difference in graphic quality
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Sounds like you need an ipad2.

I voided my warranty and your nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gonzlobo:
This single sentence makes me cringe.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] King Shady:
You're* thanks man :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b15love:
no I need a galaxy note
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mykenyc:
:D:D:D

10 chars...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sneakysolidbake:
I have high expectations for the capabilities of this gpu. If my droid charge, with an sgx540 clocked at a little over half of the GN's, can play Shadowgun without any issues, then the Galaxy Nexus should be able to handle ANYTHING you can throw at it.

'nuff said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ruthlesset:
I'll drink to that!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ace42:
I wonder if the SGX can be optimized to run at higher resolutions without giving up performance, on a desktop cards can switch res's and you'll barely see any changes. Maybe the GN is taking on a minor hit in perf when @720P?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] TheSonicEmerald:
I was suprised to see the the Galaxy Note score a near 60fps on Nenamark on the SAHD screen with the exact same processor as the SII. Mali is more powerful then I thought.

Sent from my Fascinate with MIUI Gingerbread
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] wu_wei_lion:
Who needs an excuse to drink?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericc191:
Has anyone read this yet?

PenTile for 720 HD OLED Smartphones

Since the display is PenTile, if I read it correctly, it's not really using a full 1280x720 pixel layout. So performance shouldn't take as big a hit on the 540?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akash3656:
Nope, the OS still runs at 1280*720, so there will be a performance hit. Question is how much?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericc191:
Oh okay. I'm thinking Samsung and Google would not be stupid enough to release an under powered phone for their next Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] [hfm]:
I'm sure it will be fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jay_993:
The ones with wives that don't like you going to the pub everyday of the week.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b15love:
its not underpowered, there are just much more better options than this older GPU
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaykresge:
Not quite. There are only two other options at GPU shipping today that are comparable or faster.

There's the SGX543, which at one core, is marginally faster than the SGX540 at the same clock rate. The iPhone 4s uses a dual-core version of this, which smokes the SGX540. The Playstation Vita uses a quad-core version of this.

Then there's the Mali400, which has a higher fill-rate than the SGX540, but lower geometric output. Since today's games don't push much geometry, the Mali400 is superior today. However, I plan to have this phone for a year or two. When we start seeing more iPhone ports, we'll see how they stack up.

Outside of that, there's nothing available that's faster than the SGX540. Only one available SOC uses the Mali, and no available SOC outside of the Apple A5 uses the SGX543. Google had the option of the 540 and the Mali, and chose the 540. We'll see how that pans out.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] b15love:
outside of Apple? uh.. the PS Vita? Im sure they had the option for both the mali and the 543.

Im sure the 540 will be able to play these games, but framerate will eventually be an issue.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
They have no options whatsoever. The components of the OMAP4460 were laid out years in advance, and it's the SGX540 in the SoC. A decision to use a different SoC would have to have been made very early in the development cycle of this phone. It's just not realistic to see them using something very different.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaykresge:
An SoC sourced for a console maker planned to be in production for at LEAST 5 years is completely different from a mobile SoC sourced for a phone maker who will ship lower volume, and won't bin in production for more than 2 years. The original Snapdragon SoC (S1) was in production for no more than 18 months, if that.

So, Google has no choice but to use SoCs that were available for mass production and affordable. They weren't going to be able to buy Apple's or Sony's SoC, so their options were Exynos, OMAP, or Snapdragon.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sauron0101:
+ 1

After looking around, it looks like Google used the best it could get. The lifecycle of these SOCs has become short and the development takes a long time .

There's nothing else to use.

Come next summer, the A15 cores will smoke this one. Until then though, this is the best we're gonna get.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spartoi:
Exynos is better but Samsung probably couldn't manufacture enough.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ericc191:
We don't officially know that, yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spartoi:
Know what?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] peacekeeper05:
As long as games and applications are properly optimized for the gpu then i don't see any problems using an overclock sgx540. All we need is full optimizations. That's it. Iphone 4 has the older sgx 535 and and still can run almost every graphically extensive game you throw at it. :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
No, not true. You forgot Adreno 220 which will be shipping with the Rezound.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/2
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Adreno is a qualcomm chip

I voided my warranty and your nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Yea.......?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaykresge:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17

Here's a full battery of tests comparing the Adreno 220 and the SGX540 @ 300mhz (slower than the 384mhz clocked version in the Nexus). The first few benchmarks are done at 720p, and the SGX540 beats out the Adreno 220 by nearly 50% on the geometric tests, and by more than double on the fill-rate tests.

Go back to the tests at the bottom at device native resolution, and we see the two chipsets trade blows in mostly close contests, which indicates to me that they are either CPU or vsync bound at that point (most likely vsync).

Bottom line is that on the older 800x480 and 960x540 displays, they are comparable due to screen size limitations, but the SGX540 will pull ahead in a year or so as games use more geometric detail (an area where the Adreno cannot keep up). On a 720p display, the differences are alarming, and you'll see devices like the RAZR and Galaxy Nexus greatly outperforming the Rezound due to the 720 fill-rate requirements.

So, that's why I didn't include it. At 720p, Adreno 220 just doesn't compare.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Cool. Good info to know. Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
This thread puts my mind at ease. When I first heard the Nexus specs I got worried but had suspicions they chose carefully.

G2x - 2.3.7 CM7

Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ace42:
I wonder how these tests would be if the Sensation had both cores on; I asked around on the Sens board about asynch & dualcore, and I've gathered that only 1 core is online, while other is dormant. Ginger doesn't properly handle asynch, and TBH Sense isn't helping with these tests at all. It's most likely hurting scores significantly; tests like these should have both phones on AOSP/CM7, many issues w/ sense have been fixed by the devs that were causing speed issues. But I do agree w/ your post that the SGX is faster. Qualcomm seems more focused on CPU power, while imagination excels in GPU creation.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] peacekeeper05:
In real world performance, Qualcomm chips are the worst! Tried tegra, tried TI, Tried Exynos all of them are blazing fast. My phone is always laggy and slow. Will never buy a qualcomm powered phone again.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spartoi:
Those tests were GPU based, meaning they tested the Adreno 220 graphics chip and not the dual core scorpion processor.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diablo908:
So, two weeks after Samsung announces the Galaxy Nexus with 1.2 Ghz processor, they announce a revamped LTE SGSII for AT&T? So... remind me why they couldn't build the Nexus with a 1.5 Ghz processor.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/31/...st-lte-smartphones-to-life-htc-vivid-and-sam/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kidserious:
The OMAP 4460 (the chip in the nexus) has a native clockspeed of 1.5 ghz. They underclocked it to 1.2 ghz for what I assume to be better battery life. Here are 2 things to keep in mind: 1. There will be a custom OC/UV kernel out almost immediately so you can clock it back up to spec. 2. The nexus hardware has been optimized to run on ICS so it's going to run way better than you expect. It's really NOT a big deal.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kzoodroid:
Maybe because the Nexus is Googles phone and not Samsungs. Samsung is just the manufacturer Google makes all the hardware descisions for the Nexus phones.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
AT&T LTE: 8 cities on a tiered data plan. You must be joking. I'll take a + world phone with my unlimited data plan 101% of the time.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
That's funny. I could've sworn this was the Galaxy Nexus forum....

Other than the fact that they both are made by Samsung this has nothing to do with the GN.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diablo908:
That's funny. The original question posed above specifically references the GN and its hardware.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
But all this post is is a "lets ***** because they released a 300mhz higher clock speed phone".

Should you re-post this in EVERY Samsung device forum as well? Just because you compare the 2 phones doesn't mean it belongs in the 2nd phone's general forum.

Its not even the same processor. The GN uses a TI OMAP and the SGSII uses an in-house made Samsung Exynos.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ratchetjaw:
I am more impressed with att announcing then having it available a week later. Take note VERIZON. Thats how you do it. Not how your handling the Nexus release
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slimslim:
Is that exynos? Along with the subsidized price I think it worth a shot
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Should be SOP for the entire industry.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
How is that any better? Having announcement and release closer together just means they are going to delay announcements further. Which means more people get screwed by purchasing something and have something better come out right after. I'd rather hear about things early and wait for release, that way I can plan ahead and not get screwed when something comes out right after I buy something.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kzoodroid:
+1

And like a lot of the other Nexus bithchers out there the OP probably isn't even going to buy it, just wants to ***** about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Toss3:
Who cares? Galaxy Nexus is still going to run smoother thanks to ICS and look better due to its higher resolution.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] diablo908:
I'm going to buy the thing regardless. I can still ***** about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
1) i live in SA so i have LTE

2) i have unlimited data.

3) im so getting that phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hugo87:
I bet that sgII LTE is gonna run a snapdragon processor. Reason is the exynos has had problems running with LTE. Its gonna be a a tmobile sgII clone. I think that's one of the reasons that samsung went with the omap. They wanted a phone that would be able to handle all technologies without having to make optimizations for multiple processors. Thats my theory on it. But samsung may surprise me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Nebucatnetzer:
Just as an info. A lot of people are underclocking their SGS II 1.2 Ghz to 800Mhz and you don't see a difference except from lower benchmark points and awesome batterylife. So who cares about 300 Mhz which can easily be achieved with OC kernels?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KWKSLVR:
More clock speed doesn't even mean the device is faster anyway. And, as said before, you should be buying a Nexus device for the SOFTWARE.

Jesus
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jaykresge:
Both cores are on, but that is a common misconception about how synchronous and asynchronous works. In a synchronous setup (OMAP, Exynos, A4, A5, etc.), both cores are clocked at the same speed at all times, and tasks are processed simultaneously when feasible. For instance, if 4 tasks are given and there is no order of precedence, then core one handles task 1 while core 2 handles task 2. When done, core 1 handles task 3 while core 2 handles task 4.

In an asynchronous setup, the two cores can be clocked at separate speeds, and are only used as needed. So, using the same 4-task setup, this time on Snapdragon, core 1 handles task one, and THEN core 2 handles task 2 (not simultaneously). Now, let's throw in a wrench here and say that task 2 required less work and task 1 required full throttle. On the OMAP, both cores would ramp up to max speed, while on the Snapdragon, the first core would go max speed, while the second might go at 600mhz, whatever is needed for that task. Of course, this happens so fast that any CPU monitor will detect both cores as running, since you're not going to be able to detect the difference as a human.

Both approaches have their inherent advantages and disadvantages. The key thing here is to understand that, yes, both cores are functional.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AznInertia:
Its not how fast your clock speed but how efficient your operating system, why do you think the iPhone 4S (1ghz speed underclocked to 800mhz - dual core) beats out 95% of Android smartphones.

If you want faster clock speed, since this is a developer phone, why not just overclock it? You will sacrifice battery life though.

FYI, Galaxy Nexus is 1.5ghz underclocked to 1.2, here is proof on the OMAP 4460 Processor on the Texas Instrument page, about mid/bottom of the page on the right column.

http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...ntId=53243&navigationId=12843&templateId=6123
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Why are people assuming that the 1.5GHz processor is going to be the Exynos 4212? It may very well be the Snapdragon S3 used in the T-Mobile SGS2. The Exynos 4212 is manufactured using a brand new process, and I doubt it's ready yet.

If it's truly the Exynos 4212, then that really is a big step-up, not because it's 300MHz higher than the OMAP4460, but because it's based on a new 32nm process at Samsung, rather than the 45nm process used by the OMAP4 series. This should be a big boost to battery life.

However, if it's the Snapdragon S3, then there's nothing desirable about it at all. Snapdragon S3s use dual-core Scorpions, which aren't as good as the dual-core Cortex-A9-based designs. Moreover, you'll be waiting forever for ICS with a Snapdragon-based phone. OMAP4 is the lead platform for ICS, and it'll be a bit of time before it gets ported to the other SoCs. Snapdragon will probably be one of the last SoCs to get an ICS port, since its main processing cores are Scorpions, which is Qualcomm's own design, and isn't based on standard ARM Cortex-A8 or A9 designs like most of the other recent SoCs..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Jebus99:
If you actually read the reviews for the TMobile SGS2 which uses the same 1.5GHz processor, you'll see how it performs *worse* than the 1.2GHz Exynos. So no, we don't want to see a 1.5Ghz Snapdragon in the SGN when both Exynos and OMAP are far better even at lower clock speeds. Qualcomm's offerings are simply not up to par with the competition until they refresh next quarter - after that they will probably be the best offering short of Kal El and OMAP5.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
merged
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] peacekeeper05:
Lol. It will be the qualcomm S3 processor(worst processor for mobile) running the sgs2 skyrocket. It will be like the t-mobile gs2, only difference is this time its LTE.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] peacekeeper05:
Heck, i'd even choose tegra over the qualcomm S3. Almost every tech bloggers complain how the qualcomm dual core performs poorly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spartoi:
I don't think the S3 is as bad as benchmarks make it out to be. After all, the Adreno 220 is capable of graphics like this and will run GTA 3 (assuming Evo 2 = Evo 3D) which not even the OC SGX540 is supported by.

The 2x scorpion processor would be my only issue with it. I can't believe Qualcomm won't be releasing an A9 dual core processor until 2012 when Quad Cores will already be coming and probably A15s as well.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] nory82688:
I don't care that it has an "old " processor in it at all. I'm already sold on this phone and ICS. Been sold since the first time I saw it. Can't wait to actually be able to buy it and actually get to play with it myself. Its going to be a great device no matter what. That screen alone would make me purchase, plus vanilla android...it doesn't get any better than that.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
That's because Qualcomm is not an ARM implementer licensee, they are an ARM architecture licensee, they don't just use stock ARM designs like Cortex A8 or A9 in their SoCs, they actually design their own processor cores like Scorpion. Unfortunately their designs are currently behind ARM's, with Krait, which is comparable to Cortex-A9 (maybe even better) not due until next year, while Cortex-A9-based SoCs are already shipping in volume.

Also, since when does a game not supporting a GPU mean that the GPU isn't fast enough to run the game? It just means the game doesn't run on that particular GPU, for whatever reason. A game that runs on GeForce GTX460 but not on Radeon 6970 doesn't mean that the 6970 is slower than the 460, it just means the codebase for the game hasn't been designed to run on the latter, yet.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spartoi:
Yeah I know about Qualcomm and not using ARM's design for their processors.

It doesn't, I just find it very strange that Rockstar is making the game for every other dual core SoC except OMAP4. They are also making a version for the unreleased Tegra 3. Then when you consider that OMAP4 uses an old GPU it starts to make sense.

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Ace42:
Perhaps said GPU lacks some features that are a prerequisite to play GTA or other new games?

@Person who said S3 is bad Currently Async tech doesn't function properly in Gingerbread, once ICS is released on HTCs things will be much better instead. Ginger wasn't designed to use async Scorpions, in Exynos or OMAP both cores are always active which explains why the speed it higher.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] BJorje:
I don't think I'd read much into the GTA 3 thing. I mean, all the Android things supported are pretty much Tegra or Mali-400. I think you're right in that it isn't horsepower based.

That said, I think the problem is mostly expectation, not genuine performance. We all heard all the rumors about the Nexus Prime and Ice Cream Sandwiches and figured this phone would stomp everything in existence. Well, now that it's a real phone, it has to live up to genuine scrutiny and we're all disappointed to discover that it isn't The Phone That Changed The World. Merely an extremely impressive, well thought out device.

I admit, I'm disappointed that it doesn't match the A5's SGX 543-MP2, but that's just because I can't stand how smug all the iPhone people are.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sauron0101:
I think we should wait for the benchmarks before casting final judgement on this one.

I'm still debating with myself whether to buy or to skip and wait for the A15 parts later in 2012. I will buy if I can get a really good deal though.
[Wildfire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Astral07:
Hi guys,

i have been using CM 7.0.1 but now i have installed Rempuzzle ROM. I decided to do that after not being able to fix answering phone calls. I would answer and then i couldn't hear a thing, the caller couldn't hear me also.

After switching to Rempuzzle, that issue is fixed but now i got one more problem.

I have pretty good 3g coverage and 99% of the time it is connected to "H". Recently that "H" would suddenly disappear and i had to put the phone in airplane mode and then back to get it working again.

Can somebody please help?
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stylz:
im having a very bad problem right now

my phone is stuck on the nexus s boot screen.

i can go into recovery but im stuck in the fast boot mode and i cant go into cwm that i previously had on.

it just keeps booting back to here when i select recovery

and i cant go into download mode either, it just ignores my button pressing and goes into boot loop

this happend all of a sudden on a perfectly fine phone, all i did was install LCD density thing, set it to lowest density and then apply and restart. now the phone is ****ting bricks so to speak

Any help would be appreciated, i dont know what to do right now
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Esteway.619:
Use your computer and flash a recovery image with adb. And the reboot into recovery
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stylz:
how do i do that exactly? would you have a link to a run down on what i need to do? :/
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frutelaken:
Skip to part 3 if you've already done 1 & 2, otherwise, do it all ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1007782

Greetz
[Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stylz:
it worked, thanks alot frutelaen! your a legend!