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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
WinMo never had the amount of apps WP7 currently has. I think of the 30+ thousand apps in the WP7 market as amazing. No exaggeration. It's purely amazing there are that many apps in under 1 year. I expect that by this time next year there will be 3 times as many or more.

And a significant number of apps in the WP7 market are high-value apps that the other markets have. WinMo never had these high-value apps.

EDIT - added a screenshot of the latest numbers.

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Actually no. Android currently has under 300,000 apps. iOS has 500+ thousand apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SausageSlice:
I agree with the OP. I also think it's due to lack of brand awareness, most people I know have never heard of Windows Phone. This should change now Nokia has pushed their big advertising campaign.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
Yeah just for the US. What about other countries? Netflix/zune pass are nonexistent in those countries...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
No matter what phone you are using, the optics on the phones do not compare to the quality on decent video and camera equipment. 1080p at 60 fps of a poor initial image is nothing to brag about. It will still look horrible. You can make a horrible video at any resolution and frame rate. I don't know of a phone out there that actually does optical zoom. Digtital zoom is effectively just cropping, so you loose resolution. Software attempts to calculate the rest, but the resolution is not actually there.

Consolidation of devices is good, but I would not say the best benefit is to replace, but more to add convenience. You don't need to take an extra device to a party if you have a good smart phone. I stream mp3 music to my bluetooth car stereo from my phone for my 35 minute commute to work. But, when I ski or snowboard, I use a dedicated mp3 player. Why? I want to actually have some battery life at the end of the night. It cost $29 on Black Friday in 2009 and its about 1 inch by 1.5 inchs and just a little thicker than the mini USB port on it.

I also own a Tom Tom for my vehicle. I find it is much better when on a call to be able to still get my turn by turn directions and see the map. It cost me $49 on Black Friday in 2009. There are times I've used the Phone for GPS. Especially when travelling, or when going to an address where roads have changed.

I highly doubt that you have extra battery left after filling 16 GB with video or even 8 GB if your device is already half full. So are you also also lugging extra batteries with you? Maybe you aren't really taking that much video and just want to complain that you can't add storage.

As I commented before, I think it would be nice if it were an option. Read the last 4 paragraphs of my previous post.

Again, a typical smart phone user only ever used 1 SD card during the entire life of his or her phone. Adding the cost and complexity in development to the devices for the 1% or less market when there is already a list of things that are higher priority does not make sense.

No phone will replace your coat and I don't know what a zuca is, but googling showed that it is a case for figure skates. Or is it something else?

I do think it is funny that you don't want to spend the money on a decent video recorder, but you will buy and use an iPhone, and Android Phone, and a Windows Phone 7. And considering when you bought the Windows Phone 7, at least 1 of those was purchased without a discount.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Reasons it isn't popular (yet)

As outlined in post #1. Sales people don't know much about it.

Unless you really keep current on Windows Phone development or were a Windows Mobile user, you would not be exposed to it.

People hear Windows Phone, and they think of the old Windows Mobile. Got to have a custom ROM to make it good. Better have some techy friends to tweak it.

There needs to be a massive advertising campaign, if it is to claim market share. A better name might also help to get over the Windows Mobile stigma.

People just don't know about it or how easy it is to use. And how well everything integrates together.

Before Mango, too much exposure potentially could have hurt the platform.

But now, the public needs to see it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
We're going to see it soon. Judging by what I hear, Nokia's campaign in Lumia launch countries does appear quite massive (and decently done, too). If this doesn't help WP7, nothing will.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The optics are good enough, cause I've been using my vibrant to record for over a year. The issue with the wp7 is that it only does 25 fps while the vibrant does 30.

I also have a mini dv that can hook up to my laptop to give me 60fps real time video analysis, but I'm not carrying that stuff around.

Your changing the subject. I already covered that. Stop doing that. It's retarded.

A consumer digicam is not a dslr, so yes they are totally replaceable by smartphones. Same for the cheap consumer had cams. Your completely blowing things out of proportion. Mom and pop do not pay $500 for cameras to capture the baby's first steps sorry.

I'm talking about the average consumer, not Steven Spielberg or the photographer his publicist hired.

Thats ignoring the fact that some smartphone cameras are so good that they have been able to sub in for professional equipment at times, anyways (with some workarounds, like the N8).

Obviously I didn't buy the hd7 for the camera. Htc has a bad rep there and I already had a vibrant with a fantastic camera and tons of storage. However this issue forces me to carry two devices, which is an issue.

Also, my hd7 was free on contract (tmobile promotion a month or sonafter release) and t mobile only has 200$ etf, so I buy all my phones on contract. The hd7 was free and I only got it with a 200mb data plan sim which I put in the vibrant that is used on wifi most of the time. So you're wrong there. The itouch doesn't have a cell radio so of course I paid for thy one :)

The hd7 is 20 a month over two years, which is less than it costs off contract.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Not really sure. In my country they are several serious and objective articles relating to the Lumia 800.

They all say that the design is nice. And they really like it.

But unfortunately they also underline that the specs are rather disappointing compared to the competitors (IOS, Android). Especially the lack of storage and the absence of FFC.

But at least people talk about Nokia and about WP7. Which is a good point.

The Microsoft campaign for WP7 was a failure. In France, most people never heard about this OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Seems to me that reviewers have always gotten it wrong when it comes to high-end Nokia devices. I've owned the 8801 and the 8600 LUNA, both very expensive. The only thing reviewers had to say was that they were over priced and the keyboards were too hard to get to. I even emailed the reviewer at CNet to corrent just how much he screwed up his video review. Nokia tends to be smarter than the average person. The keypads on those phones are intended for one-handed use. The thumb curls in on the keypad and all of the keys are easily accessible. When they demo it holding it in one hand and using the other to type, of course you can't get to the lower row of keys. It wasn't engineered to be used that way.

Too expensive when you can get a cheaper phone that does more? Then get the cheaper, plasticky phone that does more. The high-end phone is clearly not for someone who doesn't get it.

The extra storage and lack of FFC are hardly spec issues and if that's all that people can complain about, then they haven't got much of a case. I could give a crap about FFC, personally. I don't video chat. I actually hate video chat. For me the point of person-to-person conversation is eye contact. I'm just not interested in talking to someone whose eyes are looking at a screen. That just me though.

I've been die hard Nokia for the past decade, and the Lumia 800 is just another in their line of gorgeous phones. Yeah, I care more about how pretty the phone is over it's ability to wash my dishes and do my laundry while video chatting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Surprise, what else would they say?

This phone won't turn WP7's market share around, and no single phone ever will. The only thing it can achieve is show that with proper promotion WP7 devices can sell well. Or not. If it can, operators and OEMs may take the OS seriously. If it cannot, they never will. Neither HTC nor Samsung can do it - they have other priorities and they themselves have no clue how to sell WP7 devices - the only thing they themselves know how to do is make a bigger screen or add a processor with more cores. Microsoft is worse than all of them combined.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
A single phone can have a profound effect if it's an amazing device. Google sells millions of nexus phones, an the iPhone sold 4mil in a weekend. The issue is there are pieces of greatness here and there but no one device puts them all together.

Focus had the screen (PenTile notwithstanding) and sd slot. Dvp had the storage options, lg phones launched with dlna, etc. but all of these strong points were stretched thin across over half a dozen devices so they all fell shorts in numerous ways to a ton of potential customers. The upcoming devices are going to repeat this, except at least the Nokia phones are aesthetically pleasing and have better cameras.

Also, microsoft's hardware limitations (they are more limitations than requirements at this point) make it impossible. No wp7 device is future proof at this point, given the socs used in them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] theman60625:
They are MINIMUM requirements not limitations.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Nokia'a keyboards are trash compared to RIM's and that is how most people approach landscape QWERTY devices.

The same way people compare android skins to HTC Sense and multitasking to WebOS, among other things. Even in an unbiased review you need a frame of reference because anything can be justified as good when viewed in isolation.

The point of a review is to give users an idea of whether or not a device is worth owning over competing products. That is why they are often done this way.

I thing people are trying to look at tech press like ordinary new reporters. Quite a mistake, IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
SoC support is limiting. the minimums are things like screen size, memory, storage.

Otherwise OEMs like Samsung would use their flagship hardware like the Exynos SoC so distance themselves from competing WP7 OEMs.

In that sense yea they are a huge limitation because it stops OEMs from offering truly high end devices with things like LTE support and 42 Mbps HSPA+ right now. Never mind the fact that stuff like graphics performance has an in-built ceiling lower than competing devices.

The fact that people here are convinced the os does not need better hardware does not eliminate the fact that certain types of apps and games can get a huge boost from the better hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] theman60625:
The new HTC Radar and those new AT$T Sammy devices do support HSPA+ 42 so u fail again

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
AT&T don't even have that deployed so you fail. Those old socs don't support that speed. You're wrong.

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_radar-4131.php

Hspa+ 14.4 is the best that soc supports. Iirc it's the same soc the g2 and mt4g launched with on t mobile a year or more ago.

Just stop trying. You're failing way too hard.

The HTC Titan is only 21mbps iirc, of that. The Samsung phones will be practically the same. The cell radio is in the soc along with the CPU and gpu.

Edit: nope. The Titan is only 14.4. That was a contradiction, but I was trying to be generous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Go back and re-read my post. I made no mention of models that had qwerty keyboards.

You hit the nail on the head by stating that reviews are there to advise of products against competing products. So... going back to my post... why were the phones I mentioned compared to lower end, higher featured phones. It's like comparing a Mercedes E class to a Mitsubishi Eclipse. One may have less features, but carries a higher price tag and better craftsmanship. The other, having lower quality craftsmanship (perhaps) can afford to be fuller featured at a lower price. There is no comparison.

So, why compare feature phones to smarter phones of a different price range? It's poor reviewing. It shows a general lack of knowledge of the product in hand, so one resorts to stating why it's not as good as that other thing over there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
They compare to similarly speced phones or what would be considered high end phones on another platform. Going by your line of thinking one could only fairly compare wp devices to mid range android phones.

Consumers most often make smartphone purchases after viewing options in a comparative manner. It's just the way most humans make these decisions. They do the same for phones, computers, cars, etc. that is why they are reviewed that way.

I've never seen a reviewer compare a feature phone to a smartphone. Links pls?
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Nice talk, nice talk.

Just when others having opinion about your other comments, you told them the WP7 should have more options to choose from, or should make it more suit for geek user like you to have more flexibility, but in this case when we talking about pros taking their professional gadget, you're telling us about the average user.

Nice try, nice try.

So which kind of user you are? Using smartphone as a geek and using smartphone build in camera as an average user?
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
Good God! Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it never happened.

Look up CNet reviews for the Nokia 8800 and 8600. They get bashed for not being smartphones. Why Kent German even mistakenly says to not let the 8600 slide closed during a call because it will hang up. I emailed him on that one too. If he knew what he was talking about, he'd have known there was a setting to disable that function. But, noooo... he had to state it as fact and as a negative.

You're running circles. I never said that phones should be compared across price points or spec lines. The $700 Nokia 8600 should never have been compared to the $300 smartphone of the time. It should have been compared to Vertu and the likes as a much less expensive alternative to a high-end phone.

WP7 should be compared to similarly spec'd and priced phones. Must keep in mind the hardware limitations of the OS that are placed upon the hardware manufacturer. To whine that the Lumia 800 doesn't have expandable memory shows a general lack of understanding how WP7 handles SD memory. To complain that it doesn't have a FFC... who really gives a sh*t? I know I don't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
What are you talking about. Offering better hardware under the hood would allow for more choices and devices optimized for different usages. Omap is typically very good for multimedia. Tegra and Exynos is greas for gaming. Snapdragon is all around decent but not necessarily better than the others in any way. Thats not geek speak. That's common sense.

And I use my camera like any other consumer: whenever I can because I don't want to carry yet another device everywhere with me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
At person above that conversation doesn't really interest me. I all honestly I haven't read more than 3 sentences of any of your longer posts.

However I do love the last statements of the latter one. Shows how out of touch you are.

You have no right to complain about those reviews. Lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
stuff like that would bring about fragmentation, an issue Microsoft wants to avoid.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
If you haven't read more than 3 sentences of the posts, then why the he|| reply? Shows you can't come to the table prepared with anything, and explains why you seem to have your head so far up your rear. This is the 3rd sentence... enjoy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sala91:
It is true. The sales person never even offer a Windows Phone. They just go to iPhone or Android. When asked about Windows Phone they are like. Um... I guess we have them... I suppose I can sell you a one if you wan to...

Gosh Microsoft and others. Get your **** together and teach from your own money them why Windows Phone is cool. Cuz the operators shure enough are not doing it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
I fail to understand why he is still here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I never really understood why having a different SoC would cause any sort of fragmentation. All development is abstracted far from the hardware so it shouldn't have any major effects. Windows 8 on ARM has to run on SoC from Qualcomm, NVIDIA, TI and maybe others. If it can be done there, it can be done on Windows Phone.

Wouldn't be surprised if they were sticking with Qualcomm for now as some sort of volume agreement to bring prices down for the OEMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Do you have any clue whatsoever what fragmentation actually is? Apparently not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotcompt:
WP7 isn´t popular...humm, with 209 posts it sounds popular to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Lolz, you're just evading.

You're talking about having more powerful spec (dual-core) and more flexible options for storage (SD-Card Slot) on other threads when we're saying UX for average user is more important.

When we talking about professional should have take their pro gadgets, you're telling us that average user will use their smartphone camera.

So it is very obvious that you're just trolling and prefer to take the opposition from everyone's POV.

And now, you're telling me different Proc have their own advantages, nice try again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
JHV3, I will let you in on a little secret when having these discussions:

1. A little research uncovers a lot.

Here is a little link that you will find hilarious. Yes, that is N8ter arguing that a 'Camera on a smartphone is not a primary feature. Unless the camera is truly terrible (DVP), it's not much of a factor. I can care less how good Nokia's cameras are."

Now beyond all ironies he says "Thats ignoring the fact that some smartphone cameras are so good that they have been able to sub in for professional equipment at times, anyways (with some workarounds, like the N8)." Throws in a Nokia product too.

I smell waffles!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The better hardware will not change the ux. I think you're confused. To put it mildly.

It will just raise the point at which the hardware bottlenecks. This is called future proofing the device. And of course there are those other advantages that I have mentioned in this thread and others.

And yes different socs do have different advantages. Hummingbird was actually slightly behind snapdragon when it was released for general processing. But it was far superior in gpu performance. TI has very good reputation when it comes media performance (hardware encoding and decoding, etc. )

It's fact. The fact you don't know that but want to peruse an argument is a bit laughable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] buffalosolja42:
Real reason why wp7 isnt breaking as much ground is lack of accessories, I've worked at a retail store and know people who still do. Basically it all breaks down to commission and part of their sales goal is accessories which after visiting an Att experience store besides bluethooth there was no true accessories for our devices no otterbox, no arm bands, no correct leather cases, etc. As a sales rep you would sell a device with the highest number of accessories (one of reasons so many sales reps push it). If MS could get a standard on port location they would benefit with nice car accessories. Basically if a vendor could actual standardize a build for wp7 and keep it the same they would rake the money in.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
A reason for less popularity

When you go to T-Mobiles site to shop for a phone, there are only 2 Windows 7 phones. Both are only $99.99 after rebates.

You'd think the low price would attract users, but I think it actually has the opposite effect. People do assume that you get what you pay for. If it is only $99.99, how can it compare to something like the HTC Amaze ($259.99) or the Samsung Galaxy S II ($229.99)?

I am not suggesting that price should go up to sell more. Just that it makes Windows Phone 7 devices seem lower end than they really are.

Also, with the plethora of Android phones, it makes Windows Phone 7 seem even less popular. The masses are like lemmings. They want what is hot.

Today's highschool and college kids all want the latest and greatest phones. If it's not the latest and greatest, it will impress no one, so you may as well just get any phone. These kids have disposable income with no real financial obligations. If they don't, then mommy or daddy will contribute or buy it for them.

Windows phone 7 is not going to impress their friends. It's not flashy and they all are essentially the same, so you can't really make yours seem special. It's been 20 years for me, but highschool is a big status game. Thank God that it doesn't last forever.

Your typical business user does not need every feature that these Android phones offer. Nor do they have the technical expertise to keep everything running smoothly. Windows Phone 7 will work fine for most business cases. But it isn't getting the buzz despite it's incredible ease of use and well thought out user interface.

T-Mobile's 2 phones with Windows Phone 7

The Radar,

4G, 8GB. Front facing camera.

The HD7,

3G, 16 GB, No front facing camera.

So, you are forced to choose between those features. The Radar is better, but it has very limited storage.

When given this kind of choice, people put off decisions. Or just go with something else, such as Android.

More phones are needed. Some with larger storage, or at the very least, offer the same phone in larger storage varieties. We all know it is just a storage card built into the device, so the additional production costs to make multiple varieties would be minimal.

The LG Quantum is a great first generation device. It has 16 GB and a real keyboard. Too bad it has been discontinued.

Things needed:

1. Major advertising

2. Additonal device choices

3. Additional sizes for the devices.

4. Some higher end devices to attract attention. (optics / memory / CPU speed ).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
All phones go down. The hd7 is old pricing it up would be stupid. The radar is only a mid range device. The price tag on that is fine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Since through your own admission, you only read 3 sentences of any post, there is little if any need for you to reply to any posts which consist of more sentences than that.

In my original post I already said that I was not suggesting they raise the price.

The entire point on price was the fact that there are no higher priced Windows Phones. That fact makes them seem substandard.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
For some, it never ends. :P

I, personally, don't have to have the most amazing phone. I have to have the phone that no one else has.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Pretty ****ty choice huh? Who's to blame?