yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
I think this cat has started like seven or eight different threads all under the same basic principle. To complain.
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
hahaha i didnt mean to imply that all evo owners went to the 3d. just a lot of them followed myn and toast :P. i mean heck back when the nexus s 4g was firsat released nemith, joeykrim and a few others were in the irc making cm7 for it. joeykrim was like its an amazing phone but since its not an htc im gunna be giving it to the wife.

lets face we as tech nerds are brand loyal, we will stand united aginast apple and bb and wp7 but as soon as they are gone its right back to which OEM is better :P

i wonder if wp7 owners argue which phone is faster? ;P
[Motorola Photon 4G] cutter2668:
lots of good points and whining

have to agree with alot of the points brought up in this thread

how many frickin roms do you need? ........borders on obsession

many of them dont completely work and cause functionality issues

alot of winers regarding the photon 4g from screen to roms to the insane.....

the phone hasnt been out that long and more devs will probably come up with more roms

I wonder if these people give their phones factory settings a try for a few weeks or a few months instead of incessantly tweaking them until they screw the phone up then blame the phone.

My favorite whiners are those that complain about ice cream sandwhich, whens it coming out, getting all pissed off about a frickin OS that hasnt even been released yet on a brand new phone, let alone on an existing phone

a close second is all those people using roms that complain about the loss of some phone functionality they have lost or has been diminshed for one reason or another

this to the creator of this thread: ever think about just enjoying your phone??? as for lack of roms how do you conclude that quantity of roms makes or breaks a phone? Maybe you should consider the QUALITY of available roms over the QUANTITY??????

---------- Post added at 04:27 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:23 AM ----------

I dont have a windows phone but have played with alot of them, a shame they dont have sprint models with bigger screens, anyhow playing with them a bit I find the windows phones to be very intuitive and the os is quite polished, would give android a bigger run for its money of the carriers had more windows phone models in their portfolio's especially ones with better hardware and bigger screens, the user interface is really good.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ejdavis:
All these points are good and i love my Photon but remember, this is XDA Developers.....meaning Development! Always room to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Im done with this and if some of you don't understand the need for development and support as well as testers, its just a waist of time...
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
It isn't about people not eanting to develop fir this phone. It's people complaining no one is for the phone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] mr_wrong_0:
There is some AMAZING development happening with webtop guys. As an intermediate user I've done the whole flashing a new rom each week thing on my Epic4G which did need it in order to run half as well as this phone does stock. I considered getting the SGSII/ET4G but webtop offered me a chance to play with a new modding environment that is on the cutting edge of the industry. Lokifish Mars has been doing incredible things to webtop and I'm learning so much about linux and android because of this phone. Anyone can flash custom roms onto their phones with overclocked kernals and themed icons jump in and play with some of this webtop stuff, embrace what makes this phone special.
[Motorola Photon 4G] slick4mitch:
Muahahaha, are you serious?
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
I shall make 10 exactly stock roms, each a different color and name. *cue evil laugh
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
+10 bahahahahahahahah
[Motorola Photon 4G] jfdebo779:
Only thing I want is cyanogen mod and maybe a better overclock kernel. I can wait. This phone is awesome even stock.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
What qualifies as a "better" over clock kernal?
[Motorola Photon 4G] rbgotee784:
Exactly the phone is fast the battery life is great IMO. I get 18+ hours with moderate use. 10 with heavy use tethering and such much better then my evo.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Yeah. The phone is super legit.
[Motorola Photon 4G] jfdebo779:
Rc2 has broken wifi. Hope it gets fixed.
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
Use rc1 duh
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
To hell with a million copycat ROM's. All that's needed is one OEM base, one AOSP base, an optimized OEM kernel and an optimized AOSP kernel. Everything else beyond that can be done via a MODPACK flashing which could be theme's, kernel addon and what have you. If you want pretty, make a modpack yourself or contact some of the theme guru's and see if they will port.

What some may forget is, look where the Photon is now and look at where other phones were this soon after release. It also has to be taken into consideration that Moto doesn't support the dev community. We are Satan to Moto unlike HTC, Samsung and others that embrace the community and understand that many improvements come from devs like the ones here on xda. Plus understood that, prior to the Atrix, this level of tech convergence never existed in a consumer accessible device. It's a level of tech that most fail to grasp and therefore fail to adopt. Hell, many folks still have yet to grasp the Toshiba E740 abilities and it's ten years old.

Enough so that my post on my G+ isn't that far off. :D
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
i would personally love to give you thanks for the post above me.. but i seem to have an issue...

http://imgur.com/hlTgq
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Yeah. Shabby, is there really any difference in the RC1 to RC2 kernal? Just the ext right?
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
I need sense 3.5, blur sucks
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Go their forum and count
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Download the sense locker from the market. And find someone to port you a sense theme. :P Or just sell the Photon and buy an HTC.
[Motorola Photon 4G] M_T_M:
Obvious trolling thread has and will always be a trolling thread.

The troll reign has been cut short...thread closed...trolling over.

Cheers,
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ObserverBG:
Do you think Defy (MB525) has any chance to get Ice Cream Sandwich update?

Do hardware limitations (477/512 RAM) make it just a dream?

22 Oct - from the official Motorola Mobility Twitter account:

@laarsnl We'll be releasing devices for ICS 6 weeks after Google releases the final version of it

Sources: See GSMarena .com and Twitter
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kawa636r:
I think we will get it at least with cyanogenmod. At today google and Motorola are the same things.... I don't think that they doesn't want to update their phone....
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexemel:
mb motorola will make ICS official rom for defy+ and then devs port it to common defy
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Otto.BR:
+1

or just wait for the next CM :D
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ObserverBG:
10x for the answers.

Other opinions?

What will be your conservative prognosis of Defy+ getting ICS? 12 weeks from now?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] viper.:
Who cares ,its windows phone.

Android ftw :)

This should be deleted.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ObserverBG:
@strikoo

No thanks for trolling & my point of view:

Nokia, as we knew it, RIP. Elop drove it back 15 years in terms of market share. Microkia has an year to prove it will be a world player or it shall follow the fate of SE and Siemens Mobile.

As we're in a Defy forum, please, do not continue with off-topics.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strikoo:
on topic: we didn't even get an update to 2.3.x android, and you are expecting an update to 4.x, don't be ridiculous.

maybe and just maybe the devs of cm like their defys so much and we all are giving them so much money through donations that they will make an cm rom based on android 4.x...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] salingpusa:
well if it makes cm rom better and defy users happy. Why not. Same as ICS or windows, they make them because they get money out of it and it makes people happy. If somebody us not happy, read below

Got a Headache? It's all in your Head.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
I still thinking ... but Defy is likely no chance using. 800mhz quite slow for something like ICS.

Ah, and today's new's that Nexus One don't get the ICS Update, but Nexus S do. What's the difference between them ? Snapdragon and Cortex A8.

Defy+ seems have Cortex A8 too... like the Nexus S. So that's good news for Defy+ users.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bvbfan:
^ What a bull**** talking about ?! Defy, "+" and many other phones have TIOMAP 3630 clocked on different frequency. In Nexus S and Defy+ is 1GHz in Defy is 800MHz it's exactly the same CPU and ICS will work pretty well. When code of ICS will be released CM9 will give to us ICS with great performance, no chance to official update since "+" is on the stage.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cickvoa:
stari ne seri, nokia je mrtva. Si malo ljubomoran na nas prekrasni defy?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
What day is it for you to stick with phones that have the processor under 1ghz. Even a 1ghz like Snapdragon not capable.

Second, I'm talking about the OFFICIAL UPDATE. not CM9. Sure CM9 will do for Defy, but have bugs.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strikoo:
why would I be jealous at a phone that I own?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] labsin:
Whywon't it work? It even gets smoother with every new update. Especially low end devices run better on GB then on froyo. Only most new functions are not available for defy (no front camera etc).

Sent from my MB525
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] labsin:
Defy+ could get ics

Sent from my MB525
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
Likely fully functional.

The hardware between Defy+ and Nexus S is actually ... same
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
theres a huge difference between the two hardware (other than the screen): the nexus s has powevr sgx540, the defy only has sgx530... lets not call those the same. and the nexus s is an official google phone, so its totally different. but yeah, since any phone that is capable of running gb, will handle ics, so the defy+ most probably will get the new android.

sent from my cm7.1 defy...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
yeah, totally forgot that.

But they don't cause so much problems right ?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] techguyone:
Motorola say they will always do at least one OS update on each new phone.

Defy has has its already. So nothing further there.

Defy+ however, shipped with Gingerbread, so it's extremely likely it will get ICS as its designated update.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] truva55:
Oh guys come on. It seems you need an update.

As an owner of these two phones you're talking about (I mean the Defy and the Nexus S) I can tell you... yes there are differencies, of course.

the first big difference is the GPU. the Nexus S has a lot more powerful GPU (the PowerVR SGX 540), so game rendering is better than the Defy, which has PowerVR SGX 530. BUT, Defy's GPU is still faster than the Nexus One's GPU.

(it's even faster than the iPhone3GS GPU, which is PowerVR SGX 535, Defy has 'normally' a better game rendering because of its CPU clock >= 800MHz and its instruction set, armv7)

And Samsung's Hummingbird (only CPU part) is more or less equivalent to the Defy's TI OMAP3610/TI OMAP3630. Everyone knows that the first generation of the Defy is underclocked. So at the same frequencies (1Ghz), in some tasks Defy's processor is a little bit faster (but not notable). And the Hummingbird CPU is better in some other tasks (multimedia, videos @720p on the GS).

Both phones physically have 512MB of RAM, but the Defy has lot more free RAM to itself.

477 MB for Android on the Defy

~300 MB for Android on the Nexus S

Which means the Defy has ~170 MB more free RAM than the NS. It's huge.

(I think on the NS, +-128 M of RAM are reserved to the GPU, not sure)

I guarantee you guys, if NS can handle ICS, Defy can handle ICS without any problem. Just fine.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
People's habit is undervolt and overclock the Defy... does that cause any problem when using ICS ?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
why would it? guys, ics is just another android with a reworked ui and some added features. as i told you, google stated that ANY phone that can run gb, will have no problems running ics. and the defy is still quite a good phone, and gb is running on it perfectly. ics has no hardware requirements. so the only problem we have to deal with here is the locked bootloader, because with locked bootloader, wed have to stick to the froyo kernel, and that could cause some problems. but motorola is starting to unlock their phones, as the razr will come with an unlockable bl. fingers crossed!

sent from my cm7.1 defy...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] truva55:
The real big change of ICS with anyother android versions (except Honeycomb) is that it supports now OpenGL hardware acceleration for texture rendering. All Android-powered devices which will run Android 4.0 are required to support hardware-accelerated 2D drawing. (they need a GPU that support OpenGL >= 2.0).

Some old and low-end phones (ex: HTC Wildfire, Samsung Spica, G1...) don't even have a GPU. All grapical tasks are done by the CPU.

And now, with the help of GPU, every animations will be smoother, and battery consumption will be less than before.

Changing the CPU frenquency will of course have an effect. But there won't be a problem on running ICS. It's completly another matter.

Let's take a car: in stead of driving @100 Mph, you'll drive @80 Mph for doing same distance. But getting to the same place will last longer @80 Mph than @100Mph. Logical.

With our phones it's the same. executing a task @800Mhz take more time than executing the same task @1000Mhz. But for us, it's hardly noticeable. only few ms make the difference.

and I agree with Zakoo @ that point : the locked bootloader is our biggest problem here :].
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
the samsung galaxy spica has a gpu for sure (a friend of mine had it), but there was no driver written for it. yeah, the hardware accelerated ui is the most exiting change. the defy already runs android pretty smooth (even go launcher is running stunning), shes gonna fly if she gets an ics port :) but the aosp port is not even out yet, so well gonna have to wait :/

sent from my cm7.1 defy...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chch:
I don't know about the technical aspects but the policy from Google given to Motorola is 'updates to be provided 6 weeks after official Android release'. Motorola refer to 'the latest devices'.

If you read through the announcements the Atrix 2 is mentioned but the Defy and Defy+ are not.

How stupid that a device released in August 2011 can not be considered a new enough device for a December update. It's obviously about the device specifications.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Luthium:
Hi people, i think that we just have to wait for Cyanogen to get their hands on the source of ICS so they can start testing and if it is possible they will do it ;)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pachuau86:
i guesswe all have our opinions, but its really pointless to argue here, we will know when it is possible, for now,just wait patiently... or get a new phone :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] truva55:
A phone launched in August 2011 is a "new" phone to me. I think you meant, a newER, and more expensive phone :]
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
Well, the Defy+ has Official Gingerbread, Only 200mbs CPU upgrade, and battery update, why it's so expensive.

My guess it will have ICS official.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pachuau86:
Yup, a new phone, as in, a new phone that has ICS on it... :D
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nameite:
Its a 200mhz overclock, 200maH battery upgrade, and gingerbread with better motoblur...it feels like a strategy to make some more money from the left over Defys that did not sell.

If it does get ICS then Defy will definitely get it...but of course they would only want to release a phone that runs smoothly....if they think for a minute the phone will and somehow ruin their image....they wouldnt even bother.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjtirur:
we will get it... that is what i think :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackwing182:
well this is a start and a win for galnetmiui :) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Official-GalnetMIUI-Scotland/209920115741943
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackwing182:
there is no diference at all in these 3 devices, DEFY , DEFY plus and NEXUS S

the defy and defy plus are the same re manufactured phone re-packed whit a new OVERCLOCK speed( overclocked by default at 1000GHZ) and comes with GB(gingerbread) defy and defy plus uses VGA just like the galaxy nexus.

so users, dont an ass and just wait patient until the source code cames out! we have good developers out there like CYANOGENmod team and MIUI chinise team.

just all be patient and we will get our new years gift :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
youre wrong, get your facts right! the defy/defy+ uses powervr sgx530 gpu, while the nexus s has a powervr sgx540, and the galaxy nexus/galaxy s2 both use the arm mali-400mp. HUGE difference! but still, the defy will easily run ics.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
Ah, this... make me rethink of buying a Defy or Defy+. Weaklings like Nexus S is even more powerful than Defy series... :(
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
what the hell are you talking about (excuse expression)??? weaklings, srsly?!?! the defy series is still a quite powerful phone, had never had any problems with it, cmon, what do you wanna use your phone for? hacking nasa? the nexus s is a bit better, but only gpu-wise. the defy is still a best-buy, cant get anything this serious for this kinda money... but if you wanna spend your money, go and buy an iphone 4s.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
"Weak", hate to say, but it's kinda outdated. Now they finished on working with chips like ARMv8, and Tegra 3! And for safety, Lotus Glass is out, even better than Gorilla Glass. My word "weaklings" is based from there.

In the future there will be phones that have all of the better thing. I will wait :D
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Disharmonic:
Spec wise the DEFY+ should be able to handle ICS according to what we know atm. At the very least i'd expect custom roms for it. i guess the CM team is waiting for Motorola to unlock the bootloader to start work on the +

In fast moving tech markets there is always something better just around the corner. You can always wait a few months and get something better. Of course you'll end up perpetually waiting for the next great thing :P
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vetdrchandan:
I also wanna buy Defy+ but decided to wait till New Year
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
Go to the Facebook page "Motorola, unlock OUR bootloaders".
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michka:
I think defy + gets it so we mb525 users can make a modded sbf so it works on defy.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
Google said that ALL devices running on 2.3 Gingerbread WILL GET ICE CREAM SANDWICH!

> http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/google-confirms-nexus-s-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich-for-real/

---------- Post added at 02:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:30 PM ----------

Motorola, unlock OUR bootloaders
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockmonkey1973:
no they didnt. read that article again all google say is they think most will or translated into plain speech... they dont know anymore than we do. however if the defy gets an official ics update i will eat my hat
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
So you tell that a motorola's phone (motorola who is google now) who is born in 2.3 will get no update??? Motorola give always one update...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
motorola is NOT google, google havent even bought the company yet (afaik), but even if it did, they wont be one and the same, google bought motorola for their patents. motorola will not have any privileges compared to the other companies like samsung and htc. but yeah, they will probably provide an ics update for the defy+. the real question is whether they will unlock the defy+s bootloader or not.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
Yes, for Moto and google maybe you're right. But it's sure that Defy+ will have ICS!

Ok... Motorola is bad for updates...Ok... but they always give minimum ONE UPDATE.

So... Defy+ is born on 2.3... SO... NEXT? ... >>> ICS :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] viper.:
I dont know if this is true
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
So today in 2011 a manufacturer in Android like Motorola (Google soon) can make a phone in 2.3 a NEVER uptade it (DEFY+)... SO WEIRD...
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zakoo2:
PEOPLE!! motorola will remain motorola, it will never be the same as google!!! google owns it, thats it, nothing further! have you noticed that the official ics phone was NOT motorola, but samsung? motorola will do whatever it wants to, google doesnt have any say in this!

and btw, cyanogen tweeted that they'll be off for two months now that the official source of ics is out, so it probably means we will have the first cm9 (ics) nightlies in two months. keep your fingers crossed!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raphael.xda:
So we are sure that we bought a Defy+ and he'll have NO update? NO NO NO update?

The first Defy: 2.1 > 2.2

Defy+: 2.3 > NOTHING?
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Disharmonic:
That's a really bad decision. Companies like Motorola and LG need to realize that they loose more than they gain by poorly supporting their phones.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
Maybe will have 4.0 with 2.3/4.0 Kernel in Defy+
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Proda:
Agree with you!

Yesterday I read that SE will update all their phones made in 2011 with new Android ICS, and Motorola doesn't want to update Defy+...That's bad!

My next phone surely won't be Motorola's, just because of that stupid greedy move!

I do have regular Defy, but they even didn't updated it to 2.3, but they "made" new Defy+ !!!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tzalay:
MIUI are not developing rom core, they use CM7. MIUI ppl are designers, not devs. Hence the very same bugs in CM and MIUI :)
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackwing182:
the proplem here is, the damn! bootloader locked, i dont care if motorola doesent want to update the defy! BTW we can update our phone whit custom roms if the bootloader gets unloked! somthing that doesent gonna happen!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bendary:
Are there any developers doing roms for the defy?? it seems there are cm and miui only and the rest is just motorola roms remixed, plz guys just don't focus on features and themes just bring us ics the pure google experience and as fast as possible!!
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mjtirur:
MIUI is the hope :O
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaxLe:
GUYS ! Let't not hope MIUI for release a ICS version before CM9.

MIUI just a mod from CM, and as someone said, MIUI team are designer, not developers.

Now we should wait for the C team instead.
[Defy Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] balika01:
wait for cm9...