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[Nokia Lumia 800] sygeek:
It started going down the drain, and then tried to recover itself with new versions of Symbian. They are decent imo. But, Nokia N9 and 800 are totally gorgeous devices.
[Nokia Lumia 800] sygeek:
Nokia [URL="news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20125870-264/flex-it-baby-nokias-new-interface-is-seriously-twisted/]unveils an OLED Phone[/URL] at the Nokia World that you control by bending:

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[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
looking forward to seeing full touch control as well, it's uses are currently fairly limited to pretty much an album viewer. I'd buy that album viewer though xD
[Nokia Lumia 800] sygeek:
Yeah, it's just a prototype at the moment.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
I know, they are apparently planning for mass production later this year though. Either way, I want an MP3 player that does that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] herrylothar:
Nokia is worlds best and leading mobile provider in this world. In the year of 2011 its X series almost every country of the world

i really love to use that handset
[Nokia Lumia 800] vnvman:
The 800 would have been 90% sure my next phone if i were about to upgrade right now, but it's way too soon for that, my GS2 is too new to swap it already. I guess i'll wait for what comes next year: i hope we'll be seeing qualcomm s3 and s4 SOCs on WP7 phones, i'm really looking forward to that.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
I think a point Microsoft has made is that the hardware isn't a big deal if you're well optimized. My dell venue pro runs circles around my gs2 and I'm sure the two lumia 800s I have on the way will be even smoother.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Illicit Hero:
Exactly, you are doing it wrong if you are buying a phone for something other than user experience.
[Nokia Lumia 800] yashromhtc:
reply 1

yes.. nokia is awesome always
[Nokia Lumia 800] xaccers:
The tech journalists the Beeb interviewed at Nokia World 2011 didn't seem to be that impressed with the 800.

I can see the Asha range being much more of a success which is great as it should be enough to secure jobs until those developing markets are ready to move into smartphones and hopefully by then Nokia will have come out with something new.
[Nokia Lumia 800] peacekeeper05:
I am doubting lumia 800's success. I don't want to buy a phone that has old hardware, very old gpu, no NFC, no front camera, only a 3.7 inch screen because I'm gonna be using it for more than a year and technology is moving fast.

Maybe it's because i play games a lot and use the front facing cam that is why i feel that lumia 800 is underwelming.

But I do think that the lumia is perfect for first time smartphone users.

Their new S40 phones/ Asha family will be more of a success.
[Nokia Lumia 800] xaccers:
Actually, the use of a 2nd hand design, and making a loss last quarter suggests financially things at Nokia are really not good :(
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
funny, HTC has used the same design probably 40 times since the HD2 and no one complained. Also, it's tough to report a gain when you've released nothing and they just switched operating systems.
[Nokia Lumia 800] peacekeeper05:
I complained!
[Nokia Lumia 800] xaccers:
Cool, would you care to list the 40 phones using the HD2 shell? That'd be great.
[Nokia Lumia 800] N8ter:
Evo desire hd7 and incredible series all use a "similar" chassis design and hardware, among others. Hoc so recycle designs a lot. It's why a lot of their phones share the same issues. Small batteries, dubious cameras, attenuation issues, etc.
[Nokia Lumia 800] wassupjg:
Nokia build quality is always good
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
You, my good sir, should stick to Android phones (or switch to them, if you aren't already a user).

Phones are not all about specs. Faster CPU, better GPU, larger battery—these numbers do not mean everything when it comes to the end-user experience. These phones, quite likely, will stack up just fine against every other competitive phone out there. If you don't care about the user experience and would rather use a phone thinking about the engraved numbers on each individual piece of hardware, then you shouldn't be looking at WP7/Nokia devices.
[Nokia Lumia 800] Codax:
800 has a good looking!

I wanna have one :D
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
The 1.4 GHz processor on that 800 can outperform any android device at least up to the gs2, gotta love optimized coding.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
No surprise you're directly attacking Android.

How long ago was the SGS2 released again? 7 months ago? Gotta love out-performing the competitions old hardware. :p
[Nokia Lumia 800] Ezeh:
i think that nokia has the potential to make great phones, but they are simply too late to the game IMO.
[Nokia Lumia 800] vnvman:
Well, actually optimization does make the difference: the 3gs has the hardware of the lower end androids, but those ones lag like hell while the 3gs is still buttery smooth. Wanna feel the difference irl? Try playing Modern Combat 2 both on a Galaxy Ace and a 3gs: the game will result unplayable and look horrible on the Ace, while a 3gs will be able to run it much much smoother, also way smoother than my GS2, and with much more detailed textures and higher aa. Anyway, seeing how far games are going, i think that hardware will become quite important in the near future: i highly doubt the good old Snapdragon SOC will be able to handle games like Shadowgun, so also WP7 phones will be forced to get better specced, at least for gaming purposes.
[Nokia Lumia 800] orb3000:
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Last warning, keep it in peace and on topic, netx time will be closing and giving some infractions
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
The Nokia chassis is not a direct copy of the n9, there are new buttons and the camera flash has moved. I'm hoping my lumia 800s will come in the mail soon.
[Nokia Lumia 800] neuTrue:
For me Nokia world is really a disaster for Nokia.

No real Symbian phones and only S40?

There own Windows phone wasn't that great ether.

They didn't even mention anything about Meego (Tizen?).

What a shame.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
Symbian has been dropped and meego support is minimal, they've adopted a quality OS now.
[Nokia Lumia 800] neuTrue:
"Quality OS" you say? I say a basic OS. WP7 might have a future after 2 years or 3 when it gets matured. Until then, Symbian seemed to me the right way to go and only needed couple of right focused decisions. Like following Android approach by allowing any apps to takeover Nokia apps. Ex: 3rd party could develop SMS application and when you receive an app its defaulted to be 3rd party app. Google did it and is doing this for Android, for example the calculator and Messaging app was so basic and do I dear to say It was useless (looking at ICS this seems changed)!

Symbian might be dropped in future, but till then its not been disconnected. Symbian Belle is good and I hoped for better version in future. Aside from that, Symbian OS is more advance than others ,but the poor execution and decisions ruined it.

I agree with you about Meego. Also, Nokia (Elop?) insist of creating obstacles as Aegis isn't doing any good for Meego at this time...

If the whole Nokia/Windows Phone failed and Nokia survived, I'd be happy to apply for a CEO position.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
Nokia has always been pretty adamant about controlling their operating systems, the problem is that they're a hardware company first, likely the best mobile hardware company ever. Now, they've paired with the single biggest software titan ever to form something outstanding. Wp7 is perfectly matured and much more so than some bigger operating systems. It's focus group is just different than some. I mean as far as things like UX go it's infinitely better than android, meego, maemo, Symbian, and pretty much anything short of iOS. The integration or "peoplecentric" of all things social is second to none, there is no concern for lag, even on hardware that is two years old (a veritable lifetime in the mobile world) and the integration with things like Xbox, Microsoft office, and Zune provides a media experience that I find tough to see anyone rival. Wp7 is the first OS I've used that is an absolute joy to use and everything is so dynamic and lively that going back to most other OSes is painful. Nokia doesn't want a second-rate android. They want something new and outstanding.
[Nokia Lumia 800] MartyLK:
WP7 certainly will mature and get better, but it already surpasses all other OSes for quality. If you can't see that, you aren't looking at the OS, you're looking at its appearance. Whatever the appearance is to someone, and it can be simple or elegant depending on the person, that's a matter of personal taste. Quality can be experienced throughout the system, though. Fast and clean is one example of the quality of WP7. It is one of, if not the actual, fastest booting smartphone OSes ever created. And is one of the fastest responding ever created.
[Nokia Lumia 800] neuTrue:
Would you mind to be more specific around this?

Let's take a simple ,yet very important feature like changing the font size. Wp7 that is "perfectly matured and much more so" doesn't have such a basic and important feature. For sake of valid argument, Android doesn't have it and doesn't even seems to care to support it. In contrast to some matured operating systems like for example: Symbian, Blackberries and even good old Windows Mobile support this.

Well, yes Wp7 is so much focused on certain group rather than it being adaptive to people needs. More like "Its my way or the highway", Android customizability & Symbian seems to wins in this part. In terms of UX it isn't accurate to claim its infintly better, which means in future it can't be even enhanced (you knows its inf+ better). UX is more than personal preference, however it doesn't seem so much particle for everyday uses. Specifically for people who cares more about getting their jobs done rather than wasting their time.

So, if I don't have a facebook , twitter or other social accounts I am being left of enjoying this experience or going to effect it? seems not good at all. About the hardware ("Snapdragon QSD8X50, MSM7X30, and MSM8X55") as minimum requirement they aren't minimum at all. Sure with using capable hardwares (more likely to hide its software flaws and requiring less time to code & optimize) so you won't find any lag . I can't talk about Xbox & Zune at this point. But, with Microsoft Office, sure its useful and having official support is better than none. You need to be aware that there are alternatives for almost all you mentioned and it can be integrated with other OS's as well. Like Skype which Microsoft acquired is not only limited to Wp7.

Glade you find your source of joy, still Meego (linux) & Symbian had potential that Nokia wasn't capable of showing it.

Anyway, I am off to sleep. Good Night/Morning.

Edit:

@MartyLK, I will reply to you latter
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
important? What is so integral and important about changing font size? No considerable OS has this built in.

and for that customization you sacrifice quality. You get lag, you get force closes, you get a poorly pieced together OS that you're expected to piece together.

so, android is allowed to lag relentlessly on a dual core but WP7 isn't allowed to set a requirement of two year old easy to obtain hardware to make their phones the smoothest on the market? There's no software issues. I suppose if you dont utilize either of 2 of the 4 most visited sites online then you are missing out on a small aspect of a still outstanding operating system.

nokia is an outstanding software and hardware company. They simply didn't want to be a second rate android when they could be part of something new and amazing.
[Nokia Lumia 800] lowandbehold:
Z33, I don't understand how in the same post you talk about Nokia's use of old outdated hardware, and then say they have some of the best hardware out. Your statements contradict themselves.

WP7 will never get past #3 in the market share. People who want simple and secure will use IOS. People that want customization and availability will use Android. WP7 will never be more than a novelty. You cannot honestly say that you think it will overtake Android as #1.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
honestly, android could be sued into oblivion at any given point should Microsoft and apple choose to do so. The only issue is that Microsoft is using the same OEM's and until wp7 becomes a revenue generator worthy of the OEMs suing would screw over the OEMs more than anyone, google would lose a division. Oem's would lose a huge source of revenue. Nokia's point in the matter is to show that WP7 can be an outstanding revenue generator. Nokia does have outstanding hardware, their build quality is bar none, their battery management is flawless, and their cameras are amazing. The fact that the SoC is outdated is unimportant given the OS.
[Nokia Lumia 800] lowandbehold:
Looks like you need to do some research z33. Google can't be sued for Android. Google does not produce phones. Android is open source and is not a physical being, so it does not violate any so called patent until an OEM puts it on a device. Pretty clever huh?
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
I think it's clear what I meant. If they halted the OEMs from producing android, which apple and Microsoft together could very well do, what would be the point in an android division within google? They just dont want to leave a scar on the OEMs when they still need them. If they could go to Nokia exclusively then it would be nice but that's not a way to win over the general consensus.
[Nokia Lumia 800] lowandbehold:
And if that happened, and it was just Nokia and Apple, Apple would have a monopoly. Face it, no matter what they do it is still Nokia. No one wants to use that sh*t. We are a materialistic society, and if my buddy has an Iphone, I WILL NOT have a Nokia.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
yes, no one wants Nokia, that's why up until their recent OS-confusion they were the highest selling smartphone company in the world. They owned the Asian and European market and were not unheard of in the states. Some people would still want some hardware choice.
[Nokia Lumia 800] lowandbehold:
It will never catch on in the states. It died 10 years ago in the states. We don't like ugly phones pieced together with second hand hardware.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
eh, now you're just trolling. I'd rather this thread not be locked so you can talk to yourself for a bit.
[Nokia Lumia 800] cobraboy85:
annnnnnnd thread.

but z33 does... fascinating huh
[Nokia Lumia 800] lowandbehold:
So you have an issue with a vibrant looking like an Iphone but no issue with a nokia looking like an Ipod...interesting.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
THIS! THIS! OH MY GOD, THIS! Haha. :D

You think that the Vibrant is such an obvious copy of the iPhone that they should be sued, yet you think adding buttons and moving the flash is a completely different phone?

I know English isn't your first language, but is this actually what you're trying to say? That is utterly laughable. :p
[Nokia Lumia 800] xaccers:
Micrsoft would lose too much money if Android was no more.

See, this is where their business sense is somewhat better than Apple, Microsoft know that if they have a tenuous claim on a patent that could be defeated after an expensive court case, it is better to ask for a reasonable royalty that saves both companies and opens the door for cross licensing patents. It doesn't mean their patents are valid, it just means that the parties involved realise that they'll save money working together than fighting in courts where only lawyers win.

It'd be like you having to use a gate to take produce to market, and me claiming the gate is mine when it isn't and putting a lock on it. I'll let you unlock and use the gate for $1 of the $10 you'll make at market, or you can take me to court to prove I have no ownership of the gate and it will cost you $10,000. While it is morally wrong as I have no legal right to charge you, it makes financial sense for you to pay me so you can make some money at the market.

Unlike with the 3G technology that Apple have stolen (despite Marty's incorrect ramblings) from Samsung.

Where Apple are unwilling to purchase a FRAND license, ie getting an advantage over competitors by using technology without paying for it, while it apparently is the norm for Apple, it is frowned upon by courts.

There is a framework in place for Apple to pay a fair and reasonable price to use the technology, they are just refusing to do so.

In the Microsoft/Android case, Microsoft are able to get away with charging less if the manufacturer also makes WP7 devices because it's not a FRAND license.

Basically once again MS shows itself to be reasonable (although naughty) and Apple shows itself as having a "screw you all" attitude.

I'm sure its also why Apple handicap certain features of the iphone, such as video calling only being possible on wifi, so they don't have to pay to use patents.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
didn't say it was suit-worthy. I just said that there are obvious design elements taken from it.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
And that, quite obviously, is 100% legal. So you're now agreeing that there was nothing wrong done here? Nothing requiring legal intervention? Nothing requiring fanboys making a deal out of it? Nothing requiring anything worth mentioning at all?

I'm sure I could dig up some old posts of yours that would contradict this, but 1) it's not worth my time, and 2) you contradict yourself in every third post.
[Nokia Lumia 800] RonenAyash:
Nice's.........
[Nokia Lumia 800] neuTrue:
Quality you are talking about, seems more of restricting the OS and limiting options to the end user. For the remaining part of your argument you can find the answers down (Speed/fast/lag) in Z33 respond.

So, what is so integral and important about: Changing ringtone,background themes or even the language? I can go on and on.

Seriously font size is an important feature, being able to decrease the font or increase it helps not only saving you from wearing glasses(35+) ,but also to put more text in small place. Like saving you the affords from scrolling up and down (I may add here, right or left). I'll not even start talking about "No considerable OS has this built in." its feels so wrong and need to be revised!

Poor coding and I will also add, poor methodology leads to sacrifice in quality. Implementing features and enhancing them with stability in mind leads to quality not the otherwise!

Android , WP7 and the other OS's shouldn't be allowed to lag at all, especially with powerful hardware as their base.

Honestly, the "2 year hardware" argument doesn't make your argument any stronger. iPhone 1 was using an under-clocked cpu with only 412 MHz and wasn't lagging at all (more than 5 years old hardware). Iphone 4, is using 800mhz (underclocked cpu) with greater resolution (960 × 640). For WP7 min requirement for cpu is snapdragon (Mostly are 1Ghz+ and lowest available are in 800's mhz) with advanced structure going inside its core. For your information, supporting a certain type of SOC's is easier than supporting everything on the Market.

So, I am telling you drop the argument around the hardware, it is meaningless in this case.

I think Nokia moved into WP7 because they become an "ego-company" with the "ego-Elop"; There is even someone in Nokia posted in his blog, that he explained to Elop why adapting Meego is easier and faster and even cost efficiency than WP7. Of course by now you should know that Elop with his "Ego-Elop-Lism" just can't admit he is wrong and moved forward with WP7.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
And at the time that the first iPhone came out it lagged after a good 30 minutes of use. However, the performance otherwise was awesome. These specs were pretty high-end for the time. The 1ghz processor required is mid-tier based on current offerings. What was the last popular android/ios/wp7 smartphone to use less than the 1ghz processor? The g2 that clocked higher? The problem with implementing with stability in mind is that you have a stable foundation. Wp7 can later implement these features piece by piece because it's stability and security are unmatched. Right now android is building Fort Knox on peanut brittle because the foundation is absolutely horrid. As for the ego comments, that's just opinion. Like I said, elop doesn't want to be a second rate android, he wants more than that and he hasn't been lynched just yet.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
Just now, I tasted my WP7 phone, comparing it to my Android one—and you're wrong. The WP7 one tastes more like peanut brittle. Your comments are now disregarded until you show sources for such claims.

Oh wait, were you stating opinions as facts again?
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
where did I state that it was fact? Though I could point to the ill security practices, poor battery management, force closes, etc. Etc. Windows Phone only has room to grow, android has a lot to improve upon before the UX can advance.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
Man, seriously, do you speak English? Do you realize this is an English forum? Are you slow?

If you claim something to be fact (for example, "the sky is blue"), even if you don't explicitly say "this is fact" afterwards, it doesn't change what you just said. Logic, man. You need some. Seriously. Please, just go and get some.

On topic: z33dev33l even ruins the Nokia threads, his favorite manufacturer. How sad.
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
Please do stop trolling my threads. I have no problem with your posts but even when I attempt to pay a compliment to an android device you troll me without reason. I'd rather you not let personal attacks and sociological opinions interfere with discussions pertaining to smartphones. I won't be discussing the inconsistencies or flaws in android in this thread, this thread is to pertain to Nokia and last week's event. Of you'd like to create a thread pertaining to said topic then do feel free. This is, in fact, a free forum.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
Again, do you understand conversational flow? Have you followed this thread? Do you understand how the conversation has changed, page by page?

If you do, you'd understand that I wasn't the one to bring up Android's flaws. But thanks for the blame.

Anyways, back to Nokia. What're their flaws? :p
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
Nokia has been known to use underwhelming SoCs in their devices and, until the last two years, a low-grade plastic. The SoCs have never really been a problem with any of their OSes as none of them are power hungry, but it does make it easier for others to undersell. I'm really enjoying the new material used for the chassis though, it's a definite improvement.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
Thanks for the information. I'll be sure to tell all my friends.
[Nokia Lumia 800] neuTrue:
ok, so you really likes to argue so much! Even contradicting yourself! Worse part is you don't even seem to mind doing so!

From your attitude you seems so defensive on your believes.

Anyway, I decided to stop discussing this topic with you. It won't get us into anything good and will waste our time for no real reason.
[Nokia Lumia 800] upichie:
I like your style! And don't worry, he tends to contradict himself a lot. :p
[Nokia Lumia 800] z33dev33l:
windows phone can implement these things in the same way that iOS can implement siri. Is it necessary? No. Is it useful? At times. It's a feature, not one that's missing, just an unnecessary possible add-on that would enhance the experience for a few people. The point of that statement was that windows phone has a much more solid framework than WP7.