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[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
non rooted android you can still use file managers, you just can't edit system files or folders.

Though I don't see the sense of a file manager on wp7, so I don't know why the person said it was an essential
[Windows Phone 7 General] DorkyDev:
UIt's not that they don't have them in stock... They just plainly don't and refuse to sell them AT ALL.

Which is what I was told by all the best buy cellphone staff members, supervisors and managers.

It wasn't a big seller so they discontinued carrying them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Professor Simon Peach:
Perception rather than the psychical reality of the product.

An I-phone is perceived to be a premium product in the same manner a mercedes benz is, if you where to express an opinion that it's a rot box with plastic headlights which go soon go cloudy/ yellow they look at you like your mental.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Congratulations! You've just proven Darwin's missing link theory. Your ignorance of WP7 is simply astounding. I sincerely hope there are vocational schools where you live, it's your best choice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] KBHomes:
Went to the local AT&T store the other day, WP7 devices are hardly advertised at all, and they didn't even have any live devices to test.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
If they didn't have live devices, then it was most likely an authorized retailer who sells exclusively AT&T, so is branded similarly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] minep:
No mark, mark all. :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] bassembrace:
well i see a lot of advertisings and commercials of windows phone in Germany, but nobody buys it. Even the workers in the stores know everything about it!!! In the beginning when wp7 came out everybody said it looks really cool and "I want to have it!" after they realised it didnt have the most simple fuctions and very important NO GOOD APPS they switched straight to android. A lot of people find iphone too mainstream already and wp7 has the opportunity to stand out, but lets face it: there have to be more apps wheter people in this forum like it or not, we have to be able to download as many apps as iOS or Android, because we have the unique design already. I dont get it why microsoft was waiting so long with this lets hope apollo brings the known apps to the marketplace, it would be the only thing which bothers me in windows phone :mad::mad::mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
I seriously don't know what people do with their phones. I have around 30 apps. 10 are downloaded from Marketplace. And it is enough! So you have Facebook, Facebook chat, Twitter integrated, Twitter app, multiple network chat, Skype, WhatsApp, Shazam, Weather, SkyDrive, RSS Reader, Flashlight, A GPS (Nokia Drive). And what else? You can add Evernote, eBay, Instagram in the future, Audible?

WP has no games, true, blame MS. But that's the only thing that someone could really miss. I dont play in my phone, so I dont care.

Why people need so many apps?! No app will turn your phone into a toaster. And the main apps are coming, soon or late, they are. But people needs to have 400.000 apps so they can download every single one of them!

"Windows" name turns it against the whole world. Maybe now with Windows 8 that changes. And where is the marketing team of MS spreading great rumours like Apple does? Some intentional leak? This makes people wait to see it, get anxious, creates a hype.

The only thing hyped right now is the fear of not receiving updates. And MS's silence just turn things worse.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Jeez, what's your problem? Don't you know people need 10,000 flashlight apps? On a serious note, what update do we really need? It's not like the carriers are rubber-stamping every update that comes down the pipe. 8107 really fixed a lot of annoying bugs overall and I'm not aware of any general bugs. Device-specific bugs should be addressed by the OEM with a patch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enik_fox:
Good question. I actually sell more lumia phones than any other phone a actually

sent from my iPride 5G
[Windows Phone 7 General] sinister1:
Until MS stops restricting the phone so much and allows more customization, no one will take it seriously. Come on we are now up to Tango and you still can't do half the stuff that you use to be able to do with WM. Not starting a troll here just simply stating the facts in black and white.:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
maybe you would like a different flashlight app. one that can flicker like a lightening bug ? or strobe like a disco ? or maybe it will flash the strobe when you get a call / txt ? maybe an app that you can remotely control the strobe with via bluetooth to light a camera shot ? a morse code strobe even ?

it's not bad, just because it's not on wp. let the ideas fly, and let innovation live.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I don't want all that stuff really...just a couple of things that matter. Basically I'd love to have a faster multitasking, more customizable tiles (you should be able to resize them and view a lot more content, like mail previews and stuff), and a couple killer games wouldn't hurt, tho I'm not that into gaming (on my daily phone). Oh, and please separate system and ring volume, for God's sake.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Yep, the multitask is painful. If you compare with Android and iPhone, makes it worse. And seriously, I hate this multitasking system so bad that if they dont change it with WP8, I will really give up on WP. And I love this system, but I usually takes 3x more time to read a whatsapp message than an Android/iPhone user. Not trolling too. Facts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
What he said. Amazes me that Launcher7 on Android does a far better job with the home screen than WP7 itself (folders etc).
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndyFZ1S:
Hmmm, Launcher7, an App to make Androids homescreen look like WP7 :rolleyes: Nuff said

Real Reason is that WP7 is too late in the fight between IOS and Android, Too many sheep and not enough open mindedness to try something new and great, The teething troubles for any OS in its infancy soon get sorted out but people don't want to go outside of their comfort zone and will always stick with familiarity and we all know what that breeds.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Let me ask you something. If a new OS (compared to the others) like WP7 allows the kind of customization you desire, it'll be another Android where the user experience is different from device to device. When market penetration reaches a satisfactory level, you may see MS ease up on the restrictions. For now, people have to come on board. I realize it is frustrating for the early adopters, but c'est la vie.

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I got an idea. How about a dev incorporates all those features into 1 app. webOS had it. There were only 2 or 3 homebrews but they were fantastic, didn't need to go looking at page after page of copycat apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ukicar:
Being a owner of WP7 is a true relief :rolleyes: ... after the bricked hysteria in the thread about galaxy note :D

I can not wait WP8 :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ineedtoys:
You not find it ironic that a 'pretend' WP7 launcher on Android does a way better job than the real thing?
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndyFZ1S:
No just ironic that Android fan boys would need their phones to look like WP7 seeing as it's so terrible :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] adorable:
1. No MicroSD card slot yet for rapid, direct media loading and offloading. Even getting mp3/mp4 onto a WP is a pain. Like iOS.

2. No real file manager built-in to manipulate those files.

3. No 1 (ONE) button press to bring up the DIALPAD ON ANY WP?!?

You know it's not a Smart Phone when it takes more than a Symbian or BB Green Call press to start dialing a call!

We're not talking about fooling around with the contacts- we're talking business here where dozens if not a hundred cold calls to new numbers must be made during a day.

Anything more than ONE button press is just lame.

4. No true background multitasking. Symbian Belle does better.

5. Limited multimedia format support. Symbian, Android, etc support Flash even. Thus, can't see the whole internet.

6. Symbian, Android, iOS has a denser, customizable home screen - you can simply see more info and often used icons without scrolling on a customized home screen. WP is like for the nearly blind...

7. Can't do MORE than the other platforms out today, feature and app-wise. Why pay good money to do LESS with your phone??

The best example is Nokia. Sit a Nokia WP next to a Nokia Belle, and screen size aside, the Symbians do more. Even a basic FM tuner isn't in their WPs. Or Flash. Or MicroSD card slot. Or true backgrounding. At the same price point!

And doing what Phones should do best, getting to the dialpad, making a call, is always one green button away on the Belle, but buried in menus deep on the WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
I agree. Ever since the Lumia 900 came out there have been prominent displays in the at&t corporate stores. Don't get me wrong they pale in comparison to the iphone displays but they are a lot better than what was there before. The OP was right. One huge factor in the lack of enthusiasm for the platform was terrible sales staff.

The big carriers in the US are getting fed up with Apple. And I don't think they want to be reliant on only two smartphone makers, Apple and Google. With Blackberry fading I think they are now sufficiently motivated to push Windows Phone. It should be interesting to see what Verizon does with Windows Phone 8.

The native apps are really fast. Fastbook, Twitter, photo album, email accounts, Windows Phone marketplace, Internet explorer, text messaging, etc all open instantly. I'm sure with more cores/more memory and Windows Phone 8 we will see improvement in that arena... hopefully. Whatsapp is the one really critical sore spot. That's the one app that I use a lot where I am annoyed by the opening time. It's not a deal killer for me though. I don't text constantly.

Allegedly Tango is supposed to have some kind of improved multitasking and I suspect Windows Phone 8 will improve on that. Only time will tell.

Exactly.

Right now I've got Nokia Drive, Skype, Whatsapp, ebay, Adobe Reader, Netflix, and the native stuff (ie Facebook, Twitter, etc). I'm waiting for epocrates. For reasons that are not clear the manufacturer has a Windows Mobile version but refuses to make a Windows Phone version. I like an ecosystem with a lot of apps because it ensures all bases are covered with something semidecent but really beyond a certain amount it's pointless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Agreed about the copycat apps. I would prefer to not look through 1000 flashlights either, but in those 1000 are exactly what you want. Incorporating all the features into one application would lead to a 5Mb or larger application, and folks would complain.

My point was to have innovation, you need to have different ideas of what -my- flashlight can do. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
See the positive...a fan of BOTH os's exploits what -he- likes about both, in the easiest way he knows how to.

Can you re-write the metro ui on wp to improve things as you see fit ?

He made the ui what -he- wanted. I've tried it, its very fast, very fluid, and very easily changed. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
They're open, open minded, and trying it. Surprisingly enough, over a million people have downloaded launcher7. Some call it a knockoff, some call it a clone/copy, but folks have acted on their interest.

Since the wp platform doesn't allow folks to brew and try it on their current, non wp device, its the best some can do. Where is the open mindedness ? They (alll those million plus) are holding it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] anseio:
The thing with these sales staff is that they're mostly young and lack two qualities:

1 - How to truly engage a stranger.

2 - How to actually sell something.

Every now and then, I do a little bit of work for a friend at her store. She's a phenomenal sales woman. Can sell you the shirt you're wearing.

When I go into the AT&T stores and they ask me if I need some help, I just say that I'm going to hold the phone. They back off and give up. This SHOULD have been their cue to say "have you seen the Lumia before?" "have you tried Windows Phone before?"... It starts a conversation and makes it easier to sell the product.

When people come into a store and say that they're "just looking" and that they don't need help, all it takes is the right conversation starter and within seconds they actually reveal what they're really up to and then the selling/helping can begin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
But isn't this logic circular?

Businesses push what sells. A store has a square footage. Businesses (should) do an analysis of the products that sell, the revenue the products generate, and the space the products occupy.

We would have to go back to the stores from day one to see if they ever pushed Windows Phone properly. Maybe they did and the reception was poor so now they have been marginalized. This I believe to be quite possible.

Microsoft and the OEMs will have to work with the stores to push the brand. The stores will not do it on their own.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Captpt:
You'd be surprised how many of us over on the Andriod forums came from wp7, I myself jumped on the ground floor when the Focus pre-NoDo was released and I really thought MS had something with its new format. I hung with wp7 through NoDo and mango but for me they just didn't allow enough customization or enough apps.. Once the Galaxy S2 was released here in the US I jumped on it, great phone and there are launchers and ROMs to make it look and act like a wp7 or iPhone, not to mention a endless number of themes and setups.

Point being I really thnk wp7 would gain a great popularity if they'd didn't lock it down so tight, I really enjoyed my old Focus but the interface and very limited display setup got old to my eyes in only a couple months.. But I do keep a interested eye on wp8 hoping they make some big changes and open it up for the developers here to do their stuff :) that would most defintatley increase window phones popularity and sales, competition is good for all and especially for us the users and consumers.. Hopefully we'll see wp8 soon, if they were smart they'd get it out before the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S3 gets released here in the US, the GS3 is already out overseas and Presale orders in the UK are reportedly record breaking, I know Nokia and MS are working together in a big way now but honestly could you imagine the hoopla and press WP8 would get if they released a Galaxy S3 running WP8, it would be HUGE and definately draw the BIG attention MS needs to their mobile OS, AT&T isn't pushing Windows phones hard so MS has to do something big to get it seen by consumers..

It's not that big of a stretch seeing Samsung jumped in the WP7 original release in a very big way, I honestly felt the Samsung Focus w/wp7 was the best wp7 phone available..
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Windows Phone 8 will maintain the same closed-source philosophy as Windows Phone 7. Yes, more APIs will open up, just like 7.5, but it will be a closed OS just like iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wardoc22:
I got sick of all the IOS user running around, as well as sick of the same ios UI I've been using on my ipod for the past few years.

Didn't like andriod.

So only bandwagon to jump on now is windows phone 7. And I actually love wp7. Many new system files and directory to explore. I basically knew every file and folder and where they are located on my ipod. Now I have wndows phone to look at and memorize!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
Great another troll who hasn't bothered to even use Windows Phone or read up on it, but that hasn't prevented them from posting lies in the Windows Phone forum. Wonderful.

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The customization thing is a valid critique. If someone told me they were really into that I would steer them towards Andriod.

The iphone debunked this myth years ago. Yes around here trying different ROMs is the thing but this place is a microcosm and no one at MSFT cares about this tiny sliver of a market. MSFT learned its lesson well. Make a rock solid efficient straight forward operating system for the consumer masses. Every girl I've dated in the last four years that could afford it bought an iphone. Actually a number of them couldn't afford it and they still bought it. They don't care about ROMs. They don't know what ROMs are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Captpt:
Lol so true, my wife and 2 daughters and they all have iPhones.. Is it a girl thing? haha...

I'm not a fan boy of any phone OS, right now my preference is ICS rooted and I keep an open mind to whatever is best for me (although ios is at that bottom of my list) and I'd love to see wp8 be more open to personal customization, no doubt it will be as solid as wp7, but they should allow users a more personal touch. Another good thing I'm hearing is there may be support for flash which would be a very good thing, no flash was another reason I left wp7, still don't understand why MS purposely avoided use of flash on wp7. There were opinions that flash was a battery/resource hog but honestly after having it on my phone for the past 9 months it hasn't down to be either and believe me I keep track of what apps or services hurt battery life..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Honestly tho, you shouldn't understimate Nokia Belle, have a look here: http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=IT#/watch?v=huWTi-9KUTY

Now that's impressive. There's also quite a bit of decent games after all, as you can see from the video.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheMrBlue:
I got my WP7 in December of 2011 and the salesperson really knew the platform. He gave me some more information on the phone, the OS and told me his own experiences, so I think it really depends on the person who you are talking to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Captpt:
Well I guess MS & Samsung HAVE gotten together and may have just the contender they need to get into the Top Smartphone ring when they release WP8, this would most definitely interest a lot of us and give WP8 a big boost in the market..

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-S-III-Windows-8-Note-tablet-incoming_id29856
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
adorable is 100% wrong.

I have zero experience with the Nokia Belle. I do have experience with Windows Phone and what he posted is 100% false. By definition a Windows Phone has an FM tuner. If it doesn't then it's not a Windows Phone. That is not an indictment of a Nokia product. It's just an indictment of adorable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TabascoTX:
Honestly,the biggest problem with WM7 is lack of customization,imho. Look,even 6.5 you could change the wallpaper,hell even an old Moto Razr you could change the wallpaper. If they could add something as simple as that and maybe more tile colors and i think that people would at least look at them more. I have a Dell Venue Pro,and this thing is pretty beast,but,the lack of personalization sucks. But like i said just my opinion.I have to say my two favorite phones so far are my Doctored Palm Pre Plus and my Dell Venue Pro,but even the Palm can change the wallpaper. I just think its a lack of forward thinking for MS to think people wouldnt want wallpapers. I mean come on,two options? Light and Dark? Really?? The tiles i could probably deal with if i could change the wallpaper. But even if we had an option to set some kind of light transparency would be good. A great example of what the UI should be is the WM7 Launcher for Android. It looks just like WM7,but features a bunch of options.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Vukile:
Be nice,no need to drag Mercedes into this :) They really are the best btw.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Couldn't agree more. Both with your post and phone selection, I also have a DVP and my fave was an unlocked Pre2 w/UberKernel. I understand MS's decision-making with the live tiles and all, but it does suck not to be able to change it. I would be happy with a WM6.5-style background at 75% so to not drown out the tiles. Imagine a Rock & Revolution background with Purple Tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TabascoTX:
Yep my Palm has Uber Kernel too. I Doctered to 2.2.4 but it wasnt stable enough for daily use.Dude over clock to 1g on a Pre Plus? Hell Yeah and IT DOESNT RUN HOT!! People dont even realize how awesome those phones were..lol.. Anyways enough of the Palm lovefest..lmao... I wonder how many phones MS is going to let WinMo 8 be installed on it. I know my Venue Pro has the hardware specs to handle it,but its over a year since its release so i dont know that theyll let us have it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] willdarko:
If you dare to day "Windows Phone" in my country people will just stare at you like: "Are you talking of a computer or something?" And I'm always telling them that its a mobile OS, they just keep looking me in a weird way and go back to their blackberry's LOL.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bungee4CE:
The main holding point in the UK stopping people switching to Windows Phone is that the OS is seen as new, which (if you ignore Windows Mobile) it is compared with it's competitors (Android, iOS, Symbian, Blackberry).

If I am honest I wouldn't have gone out and baught my Nokia Lumia 800 if I hadn't had one to review for TechRadar.

Many people I have spoken to and shown my Lumia 800 to have said that the prefer to leave it a year or to wait for a more mature OS. Even a ty before you buy offer has the issue that people just want to switch and don't want to take the risk of having to switch twice if they don't like it.

Hopefully Microsoft's rumoured patent to identify apps on a phone on a competing platform and auto install the WP7 alternative on their new WP7 device easing switching between OS will pursuade more people to jump to WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mrgongyue:
I found some sellers in SG are quite professional.

They even showed me some features on a Nokia Lumia 800 which I have ignored on my Radar for more than half a year!!

That seller used a Lumia 900 before the official launch date in SG. Really cool!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Sooooo, you install "migrate my apps" on an iphone, and it finds directly comparable wp7 apps on your new phone, migrates your data, music, contacts, and licenses (uh oh!) In under 5 minutes ? No reboots ? Sounds great, but its vaporware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deathnotice01:
WP7 is strengthening its markets in asia

here in philippines they have all sorts of media for WP7 phones like nokia since nokia is very popular here,

never saw an iphone ad here too,

i have a droid right now but i'd love to have a WP7 phone,
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatclue:
Your post is typical of a lot of different subjects. There are items sold worldwide with enormous popularity that don't come to the U.S. or are poorly received. This automatically makes it a "failure" in the eyes of the English-speaking press. The best example is diesel-engined cars. They've never been able to establish a foothold here in the States so they've been branded as a failure, except to those who actually own them. Look at tankless water heaters, most people don't even know what they are but they're ubiquitous everywhere else. I'm afraid that until Americans' mindsets change, you won't see any meaningful increase in market penetration. Think about it, where were all the "Smoked by Windows Phone" campaigns run? Thanks to the internet, we know about it here but that's as far as it went.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _Variable:
Paano ka nagka At&t kung pinoy ka?

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How did you get At&t if you live in Philippines?