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[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
Im going to hold out next year to get another device. It may be the Nokia Ace if the hardware and specs are up to my likings. I like a lot of things about Nokia and what they put on their devices. I love their speaker output and the sound quality, I love the Carl Zeiss lens and the many features they add to their phones. Most of their phones seem to be quite plasticy but im hoping they change this for the upcoming WP7 devices they plan on dropping in the US.
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] Mino1999:
Someone can do a theme of Android 4.0 To Overcome Kratos!

IS Kratos Plese!
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] theduke89:
Really I'm not sure of what you are aking about...why don't you simply flash overcome 4??? However I'm really sorry to tell you that aesthetically they are exactly the same. Only default wallpaper changed. And you can find it in the overcome 4 thread.

Summoned by my Heretic Tab
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] stimpz0r:
i believe he means an ice cream sandwich theme for overcome. ;)
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] biffroy:
I agree. And it's a +1 from me! :)
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] xdamaroc:
±1 an ics theme for. Overcome 4.0
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] Mortino:
I wanted to ask. can I install themes created for the rom overcome kratos if i have installed on my galaxy tab rom*Overcome v4.0.0?
[Galaxy Tab Themes and Apps] xdamaroc:
Yes its possible use the theme patch before installing a theme
[T-Mobile LG G2x] donbeth:
Sorry for the novice question. About to get a 4th replacement G2X. Last weekend I spent a huge amount of time reconfiguring number 3. I have Launcherpro and backed it up to the SD card but the new phone would not restore.

Is there an easy way to backup all the apps and settings?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] 96traxx:
Titanium Backup Pro.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] donbeth:
That requires a root, right?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] 96traxx:
Yes it does.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] matrix0886:
Yup. If you need to know how to root, check out my signature. Click the link that says "Rooted" and it'll take you to where you can root. The Superoneclick method mentioned elsewhere on the site won't work for G2x above 2.2. So just follow my link and you'll be good to go. And be sure to thank the OP that made the thread.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] donbeth:
Thanks.

New (4th replacement) arrived and it won't read the SIM card.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] chrisdepew:
If you have to flash a rooted rom to root, you loose your configuration. So, going from stock to rooted rom you are going to have to reconfigure. Right?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] 96traxx:
You don't have to flash a rooted rom to get root anymore. There is a root zip available.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jcbofkc:
Where? On XDA? A single Zip that roots the phone? Must have missed that or I am misunderstanding something.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] 96traxx:
See here for rooting, be sure to give a thanks to the OP. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255214
[T-Mobile LG G2x] jcbofkc:
It's been a while since I looked at that thread. Not sure I will ever need it, but is nice to know it's there. I hit up phburks with a thanks. I gave jboxer an accidental thanks when tried to hit quote yesterday, so I am good there. They need to separate those buttons. I am sure that's how I received a few of my thanks. : )
[T-Mobile LG G2x] donbeth:
Thanks. I am reading your root link now. 4th phone is the same. T-Mo says sorry, can't do anything. I'm going to try to root.
[Off-topic] spirikitik:
Anyone? Just curious, NO KJ pls
[Off-topic] LordManhattan:
LOL! Hell no :p
[Off-topic] idavid_:
Um... No?

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
[Off-topic] Tomdg07:
Only when I'm doing an upper-decker....
[Off-topic] TheRomMistress:
Please read the quote in my signature for why this thread was closed. kthx
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
trolololox

Is this thread closed? :confused:
[Off-topic] TheRomMistress:
Yes Mr Troll :P
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Alright so, here's the deal. Being a photographer, and hearing a lot of you complain about 5mp vs 8mp, you don't know what the hell your talking about.

There is a difference between Image Quality, and resolution. For those of you complaining, do you even know the difference? If you don't then listen up.

Image Quality is self explained. It means just that, the quality of the image. Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality. Lenses have a lot to do with quality. Also, matching lens size with sensor size will give you better quality. Quality Sensors are everything when it comes to Image Quality.... Imagine that.

But just because you stick a 8mp Sensor in your cell phone with a tiny ass lens, doesn't mean my 5mp DSLR wont stomp your phone in Image quality.

So exactly what does MegaPixels do for you? I'll tell you. It's about print size. That's IT!! At 300ppi, and using a 5MP sensor, you can print up a nice 6"x9" photo of your little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. Or with your fancy 8mp Cell Phone you can print up a HUGE 8"x11" photo of the same little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. (not a big difference is there?)

So unless your wanting to print up pictures in 8x11, rather than 6x9, don't worry about it. Here, incase you wanna see it for yourself. http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php

If you wanna post your kids sucking on icecream at the zoo to facebook, either camera will work fine, but I betcha the 5mp camera on the Gnex will have better image quality.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Griffrez:
Thumbs up for you, buddy. :) You see, everyone wants to get photobombed every time they take a photo with their kids at the zoo sucking on ice cream. Seems legit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
Yes, 5mp vs 8mp argument is for idiots. Its all about the sensor and lens quality. Moreover, same size 5mp sensor and 8 mp sensor with same lens, 5mp images will be better and higher quality.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dragooon123:
Yup, now lets hope that the sensor is good in Nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ptscon:
More flexibility when cropping is another benefit of higher resolution.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] sauron0101:
We need an objective thorough review of the phone's camera before making any conclusions much like the op said. Megapixels doesn't mean quality.

Let's wait until the formal release before casting judgement.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Yup! Exactly.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] cyberkid2002:
Being an amateur photographer myself I completely agree that the pixel count is completely, COMPLETELY irrelevant when it comes down to phone cameras. Where I disagree with your original post is the sentence above. Sensor size has absolutely everything to do with image quality (ie. Full Frame > DX > Micro 4/3rds > Compact > Phone). Fact is you are not going to get a large sensor built into a camera and cramming that sensor with as many light grabbing sensors as possible often leads to noisier, grainier images. This is where sometimes smaller = better.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Flippy125:
Please sticky this. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Sorry, didn't mention that, but yes, totally.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xNEM3S1Sx:
Sensor size is a misnomer in this case, I believe the sensor is the same 1/32inch size. In which case, each of those pixels is actually larger. Which means that each individual pixel receives MORE light. Which enhances low-light performance. This same phenomenon is seen when you compare Canon's 5D and 7D cameras. The 7D is 18mp, while the 5D is 21mp, but the 5D's sensor is 1.6 times larger (full 35 vs APS-C) This means that the 5D ends up with superior low light performance, despite not having the full 1.6 times greater pixel count that one might expect.

Admittedly, there are other differences that effect this, such as sensor back-lighting, the quality of the amplifiers, and the compression of the image data. As well, the technology powering the actual sensor, CCD or CMOS, as well as the more in depth tech that goes on at the design level. The 18mp, APS-C sensor from Sony that Nikon uses on it's cameras does not perform the same as the 18mp, APS-C sensor that Canon uses in it's 7D.

...So there it is, if you don't know sensor tech, here is a little explanation from someone who does...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kanariya:
another point is the 5mp = smaller file size = less write time = less lag time = zero shutter speed.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] RaymondScrott:
The best daylight photos I have ever had is from my SE k750i. Well old and only 2.5 Mps as I recall
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SubyWill:
I approve of this thread.

I also approve of this post.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] paedigut:
In my oppinion, people think smartphones (high-end) should have 8mp at least, because in earlier times, the megapixels were a "real" indicator of the fact, how new and good a mobile phone is, i think.

and of course brands like SE or LG made a real big deal about mp. and its clear, consumers said then: "wow, this new mobile has 8 mp, so its better than the one with 5mp."

but i think today, you cant tell how good a phone is by just looking at the mp. and i also suppose that development in cameras today is more about image quality and no more about mp.

the only issue is that people dont realize that, unfortunately...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kolyan:
Actually Canon also went the other way with some better cameras. They reduced MP size and increased sensor size to improve image quality.....outcome was the best compact Canon camera....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gtrab:
We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ?? :confused:

And in my personal case, here's why:

- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)

- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics

So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience :(

PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez :cool:

"Science is the Poetry of Reality"
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Flippy125:
I just found with my Sensation that there isn't much of a difference. The pictures seemed like they were just blown up copies from my G2 with no quality enhancements. Then again, this is HTC. Their speakers and cameras aren't very good.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DammitCubs:
the megapixels argument is just a who's got the bigger d*** game.

It means nothing in the long run and in fact, more pixels packed into the same sensor makes the image WORSE!!! and creates more noise.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Tornlogic:
Just my opinion, but if you have time to crop images "and do it right" why not sharpen it, and photoshop it and enhance it too? That way you won't need an 8mp sensor. Heck, if you have all that time, just use a real camera.

The whole point of these cell phone cameras is it take a quick pic and share to Grandma and what not. I don't think shes gonna care if its cropped or not. If you need professional pictures I don't recommend a cell phone to take them
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Maddmatt:
I think you're being ignorant by completely dismissing megapixels. It's not just about print size, but how much you can zoom/crop and still have a decent resolution picture. Our phones don't have optical zoom so cropping is all we have.

That said, if this phone has significantly better low light capabilities than the competition I will be happy. I know it is said to be better but I have not seen comparison photos that demonstrate this.

My Galaxy S camera is great in the day but turns to crap once the sun goes down.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] samagon:
Smaller photo sites = less light in each photo site.

It stands to reason that most phone sensors are the same size, so you need to have smaller photo sites to have more.

It's also a good point that less MP means less processing needed to create the photo.

Anyway, someone pointed out that at 300 ppi, you get a 6x9 photo with 5mp, however a servicable photo really only needs to be printed at 150ppi. 5 MP gets you a pretty huge printable image, especially since most people aren't capable of printing larger than 8x11, and if you are, you aren't shooting with a phone of all things.

As far as zooming/cropping, for web production, 5 MP is plenty good to do some serious cropping and be left with something good enough to post online.

Bottom line though, the cam will be as serviceable as any other smartphone, if you want higher phone MP, this may not be the phone for you.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] lawalty:
Wait .. wait .. wait .. WAIT, let get back to what important here!

.. about the kids at the zoo sucking on ice cream in the op post..

What kind of ice cream? Vanilla? Chocolate? Or one of those mix mash ice creams?

:)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] samagon:
Maybe its an icecream sandwich!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SwiftLegend:
O.O I see what you did there...you sly dog - .-
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gtrab:
Of course.

In the end it is a matter of choices, needs, expectations and manners.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] smw420:
Amen brother. Bigger lens = more inbound photons, there is just no substitute.

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OMG dude I just laughed my ass off.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] agentxq49:
I love to use Video games to illustrate megapixel vs quality. High megapixel is your resolution in gaming, you can go up to 3* 1440p displays, but if you're using a bad gfx card, you can only play games on low settings.

If you have a very good gfx card, but not a good monitor, say only a 720p monitor, you can play everything on extreme.

Now about print size. If you have a high mega pixel count, but your images are bad, even if you crop, it will still look bad. A cropped screenshot image on a low setting, vs a blown up image on extreme setting, the extreme setting will still have more detail.

Ok, now the thing is, 5 megapixel is more than enough. So long as the quality is good (this is yet to be seen), and the 5 megapixel also allows you to do your instant photo taking on the galaxy nexus, takes less space and less time to process. And a 5 megapixel vs 8 megapixel, it's like the difference between a 1200p display and a 1440p display, unless you're really printing huge images (like 2 story high posters with your phone camera... like seriously) , 5 megapixel is enough.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Toss3:
While I do agree that the amount of MP is irrelevant, it must be said that this statement is only true when the sensor of the lower MP is better than the one of the higher MP one. This doesn't seem to be the case based on the photos taken with the Galaxy Nexus.

I think people believe that 5MP sensor = old version(due to MP increase for every new generation of sensors) = money saved for Google/Samsung. It's up to Google/Samsung to prove us wrong.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gtrab:
you are right

let's wait for a decent review to see the camera quality
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ptscon:
These phone camera sensors are so tiny it's probably better to keep the MP down and focus on image quality.

Even in DSLR world increase in MP at times meant increase in noise, and those sensors are 10x larger.

Low light, forget about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] jamesyb0i:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the camera isn't a special new lense that produces higher quality images rather than just being a typical dated 5mp camera. This device packs some hardware that is questionable such as a 2007 design gpu (albiet overclocked). Really discerning
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Griffrez:
Then don't get it. Problem?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] psycho2097:
its more about "ohmagawd ma iphone's gawt 8mp, yours is just 5mp??? lmao lol rofl...stupid android sucker..!" kinda crap u get... had enuf f that with my cappy, guess will get more of that for the next 2 yrs. I m just 2 tired 2 enlighten the ignorant brainwashed suckers.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Toss3:
Yes, but guess what happens when you defend google's choice of a 5 MP sensor and it turns out to be a lot worse than that of the iPhone? SO imho it is better to keep quiet until there is sufficient proof that 5 MP ≧ 8 MP when it comes to phones and smaller sensors.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Maddmatt:
Oh, if we're not perfectly satisfied with everything then we're not allowed to express our concern and should just shut up and not buy it, ok :rolleyes:

I want to see some proper tests of the camera, such as how it does in low-light compared to other phones. I'd be ok with 5 MP if it meant better low-light performance but I haven't seen any proof yet.

From the samples I've seen it looks like the iPhone 4S has it beat, by far. But then it hasn't been tested enough.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] gtrab:
Sony's Arc S makes amazingly good pics in low light with the EXMOR sensor. Unfortunately it doesn't have dual core nor front cam, which are requisites for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Job21:
may I ask a question

If taking a 5mp picture with

1) nexus

2) let say, SGS2 or Note at 5mp

how would we see the difference in picture quality?

Thanks
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] modidlee:
The difference in quality would depend on the settings and sensor quality of each lens.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] chirea.mircea:
Since this thread was restored, I should add this:

How about we try to get ICS running on Pixon12? That phone has a real camera, if only it had a real OS :(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] XDM inc:
omg thank you for tjis information

EThank you for showing the light! I use to think that mp was everything. I even decided to get the HTC evo instead of the 3d just because of the mp. I have been looking down on all 5 mp phones until now, now when choosing a new phone I will choose more carefully!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Smokeey:
So this is all I have to say about people who complain about phone camera.s

ITS

A

PHONE.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] yungboss22:
Having a 8mp phone with a crappy sensor is like having a big **** but not able to use it with performance.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] mistermojorizin:
they've already done comparison tests with the gnex, the picture quality's not up to par.

just accept that it's not about specs, it's about the quality of the final product. this specs game is what they try to play with consumer cameras, tv's, computers, whatever. the pictures aren't lacking resolution, they are just lacking.

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it's the best camera most people have. cause the best camera is the one you've got with you
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] E15i:
It's not about the camera, it's about the guy behind it :D, if you a bad photographer, even on 1000$ DSLR with $$$ lens, you'll get crappy photos, that something not every one want to accept, the camera is just a tool, before people paint pictures, camera is just to give us an easier way to frame those moments :rolleyes:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taylerdurden:
ERROR

Sensor size is one of the most important things in the image quality. I think you refer to the sensor resolution...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ChongoDroid:
I agree with this thread, I've always looked at my photos on here and thought they were pretty damn good for a phone camera. Always wondered what the complainers were on about..

Www.chongophoto.com shameless promotion seeing as this is a photographer thread :D

Sent from my francoPhone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] biffsmash:
Have to say i'm the same person I was when I owned a k810i and i'm the same person I was when I owned an SGS2 and i'm pretty sure i'm still the same person now I own a Galaxy Nexus, but somehow even though my photos came out great on my other phones, the ones on this come out crap... have to say I think someone has swapped me without me looking because my photo taking ability has MAGICALLY decreased once I purchased a Nexus.... :rolleyes:

Face it people, if Iphone 4s and SGS2 camera's are 8/10 phone cameras, this one is a 4/10 at best.

I have been very critical of this phone but now i've got the latest AOKP on it, the only down side to the phone is the camera, which is well below par. Shrug.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hbkmog:
Of course it's not about mp. That should be an common knowledge. But it is a fact that the camera in this phone is sub par compared to many other high end phones. There's just no need to justify or defend it. Deal with it and accept the fact, then move on to the next big thing.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] طوني تبولة:
Well said.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
I took comparison shots against the SGS2 and the 4S and they were all VERY close. These are all phones and all have REALLY good cameras for what they are, but to say the Gnex camera is garbage compared to the iPhone or GS2 is ludicrous!! Too many people fall into Apple's marketing trap that their "advanced optics" make it the GREATEST CAMERA EVEEEERRRRRRR!!!!! (shout it from the rooftops!!)

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If this were true, I would accept it, but it is simply not the case.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] juliano_q:
I have the GNexus and my wife a GSII. I think the GNexus camera can take good photos when the light is good, but with little less light the photos start to be terrible. The GSII camera (and the iPhone 4S) are in fact much better. This is the only thing that I dislike in this device, but I still think that overall it is the better device around.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] miketoasty:
That is because how quick the Nexus takes pictures. Try changing the scenes in the camera app and see how that works.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hbkmog:
You got fair quality photos because you took photos under well lit environment. Try to take a photo indoor or in low light environment. That's where the difference is. And yes I personally owned a SGSII and photo taken by GNex has apparently more noise and loss of details compared to it. Even in strong light, the photos taken by SGSII are more crisp and detailed.

Also colors are more accurate on SGS II. The color tint is very noticeable on GNex. A worse camera is just worse. Most people can tell the differernce. There's no point defending it as if it's a religion.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] miketoasty:
Well because you said it, it must be true. Everyone pack up your stuff we are going home now.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] walidhiphop:
God damn....this thread should be sticky ..........awsome thread...well said about the camera....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Low light pictures are difficult even with very expensive DSLRs, much less a tiny sensor on a camera phone. I posted a link to "Post photos taken with your 4s" in one of the other threads. Take a look at those pics and see how many of the come out very mediocre (most of them taken in low light situations). Most of the good ones are taken in, GET THIS, GOOD LIGHTING!

In photography LIGHT IS YOUR BEST FRIEND. There are no ifs ands or buts about it.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] hbkmog:
It might not be true but many people have eyes and can distinguish good from bad. You do have the right to reserve your opinion though.

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The point is even if it's not in low light, just in indoor normal lighting or equally weaker lighting, GNex has worse photo quality compared to other high end phones. The graininess and color tint are just too obvious to ignore.

But at the end of the day, it's just a phone camera. If I want quality photos, I'd just use a proper camera.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
That is the truth right there, including the GS2 and 4s. ;)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] juliano_q:
So, you will be happy with a VGA in your phone?

Yes, the GNexus camera is only a phone camera and dont need to be really awesome. But it is really worse compared to other top phones previously released. As I said, I love the phone, but the camera is not good enough and I would love if it has the same camera as the GSII.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] z06mike:
Can you explain why it is not good enough and maybe even post up some samples??
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] walidhiphop:
+ 1 for that......