yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Samsung Infuse 4G] cingulartreo:
What about this?

Ok, so that means anyone who uses a bluetooth headset is tethering... Nice.

I think it has to do with how much data you are using. What is your average? There is no way they can tell what is streaming... they would run into privacy issues... its gotta be that at&t is going after folks who use a lot of data.

What do you think?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Again that may be there ****ty definition but that doesn't mean they can monitor that.

And toy are not sharing internet, just content, it is only the phone accessing the internet. That is unless you have a wifi TV with a Netflix app. Then you might actually be tethering depending on how you do it.

I wouldn't worry about their definitions, just don't connect anything that has its own IP address and access the internet from it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
haha yeah she told me about the nextflix stuff too. i LOLed
[Samsung Infuse 4G] crawlgsx:
I think it may be anyone who has gone over 2GB in the last 6 months or so. Just a guess though, nothing to back it up. If you log in to the site you can look at your data usage over about the last year and a half.

My average usage from June 10 to august 11 was only 300MB a month (if you average it out). You can see I do not use that much data :), so I can't imagine I am high on their priority list, but I did get a letter. I am guessing because last month I hit 2.1GB. Although if I did tether last month, it was only briefly, most of that must have been using the market, downloading roms, and streaming. But again, as you can see, that was an unusually high month for me.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] maxjivi05:
I've personally used up to 20 GIGS one month not tethering it was based directly between downloading ROMs streaming Netflix Pandora and doing PhonePC non-stop normally my usage is 3-6 GIGs sometimes less but I wanted to see what it would take to get up there without tethering..
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
Yeah... that is the mostest and it really comes from all the app re downloading after flashing roms...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] maxjivi05:
+1 I usually do all the apps and roms at work with no WIFI... so that's all I got lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
So using the MHL HDMI thing, THAT THEY PROVIDED... is tethering? So... they give us the equipment but dont want us to use it...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] joeclark:
that is EXACTLY what i said to them.

she told me that it was for personal videos only. i told her it was BS
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Elemino:
Easy solution... stop telling them you are connecting your device to anything. Just say you're watching videos on the phone, and you're listening to music with your headphones. If they have anything to say about that you visit www.BBB.com and I promise the problem with disappear QUICKLY!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
I was told that tying a string to my phone and looping it through my belt loop was "tethering"
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Justinfedor:
U can use bluetooth as a means of tethering it to your phone as a modem. U obviously had to of been tethering prior to that. I work for att so i should know. Anyone that complains about having to pay for a tethering package needs to stop. Its att rules and if u dont like it keep it to yourself or go to a carrier that offers unlim data and dont care what u do with it. Wont find many companies who still offer unlim. Someone with unlim data who is tethering slows data down for everyone else. Think about that
[Samsung Infuse 4G] demonspork:
So I called ATT 5 times, all 5 gave the responses about bluetooth connection to a car stereo is considered tethering. I managed to talk 3 of them into agreeing with me about this point, the other 2 I consulted their supervisors and one supervisor was just an asshole and I eventually hung up but the second one agreed with me and said he would make sure the rest of his team was clear on this detail.

I also sent an email asking ATT directly if pairing with a car stereo was considered tethering, and I got this response:

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] maxjivi05:
Was just stating they could take that as tethering due to the details in the terms of use, with that as a response I would take their answer over any and keep that as a draft. I never use Bluetooth and thought the topic was iffy so I wanted to look into it myself and just take it as a warning that they could consider it but that's good news. :)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Bronk93:
How in the world did they know I was streaming Uncle Luke!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] CZ Eddie:
Does running a custom ROM make it invisible to them or something?

I don't know how that all works.

The difference is, when connected to bluetooth headset you are just transmitting an audio signal to it.

When connected to a car stereo by bluetooth, you're transmitting music signal data that includes text/titles and images.

I don't like it, but it sounds legal. :(
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
it doesn't matter if your on a ROM. i was on infused when i got the letter. What ATT is doing is deep packer inspection i believe that is what it is called. what they do is they see what OS is requesting the packets. Example. when i called they said that had records some several OS which showed i was tethering. OS meaning, Windows, Mac OS, Android 3.0. and now that they have some tablets of their own, it wont be easy to cover for Honeycomb since they got it in their system now.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] maxjivi05:
If that's the case it is just needing to be encrypted.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
:O share your magical knowledge with me! i wonder is switching out your sim card into another device example a tablet count as tethering...? i should call and ask.

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so they got their crap straight on bluetooth now. :P

and now switching my sim card to a tablet wont be a problem.

and their can not be an issues on my account regarding tethering because i have a block on it.

yet i can still tether... im set :D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Heh :-)

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] shiftylock:
See, when i think of "tethering through bluetooth" I think of the good ol' days of tethering my Nokia N86 to my laptop with a BT USB dongle and a DUN connection set up. THAT is what the contract s trying to say, and the reps are mistaking it because they don't know enough about cell phones to know what a DUN connection even is. Then again, that is just my opinion and can probably be easily trolled, as have all other semi-intelligent responses on this thread. ._.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] fabrizio494:
i thought the same =/
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
ATT sent me the tethering text not too long ago. I asked them for proof, which they have to provide in order to change my contract, and they denied it to me. If they take away my unlimited data without giving proof....oh lord they will rue the day I take them to court. The worst part is, I don't tether. I'm on wifi everywhere!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
you go glen coco! tell them hoes how it goes down. but seriously they are dumb. they told me that there was a block on my account and that i wasnt able to tether anymore... im tethering right now. so if they decide to take my unlimited away im just going to drop them.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
I have a feeling they are in for a hefty class action suit for their data collection/intrusion methods. Somebody needs to look into this more deeply.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zelendel:
Read your TOS. ATT states plainly that they reserves the right to change your plans as long as they let you know about it first.

People are all up in arms over something that we all knew was coming. Unlimited data issues started with the Icrap with people streaming all day long and now it has come to this. Sooner or later ATT will remove unlimited data completely and then this won't be an issue.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
True, but informing you first includes providing proof and justification for the change. I've already fought this fight before. I've been with ATT/Cingular for probably 7 years now.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
No. They don't need to provide you with anything.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
Actually, they do. Part of your contract states that, if requested, logged data must be provided when altering contractual obligations and details. Trust me, I've dealt with this before and it worked out when I asked for proof.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zelendel:
All they need to show you is that you have used what they consider is more data usage then you should have. Unlimited is not unlimited and the TOS states this plainly. ATT legal department has covered them selfs well sense the Icrap showed up and people were complaining. So its plain and simple. Want to Tether? get a tethering plan.

As for anymore talk about how to get around it breaks an XDA rule on not getting us in trouble as what is being asked is how to commit fraud, so lets let it drop here
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. As long as you can prove the data came from your phone and only went to your phone, you are fine. When you request your data usage form its pretty easy to say what data went where.

I'm not talking about skirting the rules seeing as I don't tether. I have a 55mb/s Internet connection at home, I don't need to tether.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Again, no they don't. It's also in the contract that they can terminate at their discretion.

Sorry but there is no amount of forum lawyering that will allow folks to steal extended services.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] OllieArmageddon:
Can terminate but not alter a contract without decent proof, contracts are 2 way, so he can argue it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zelendel:
Take the time to read the TOS if you dont believe what is said. This was one thing I made sure everyone that activated a line at my store did. ATT reserved the right to change your contract if they deemed it was needed. All they have to do is tell you either by email, snail mail or even text. If they deem you are using more then what they think is Reasonable Data on an unlimited data plan they can, have and will change your plan.

Or you could try to fight it and see where it gets you. Either way the days of truly unlimited data are over.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] OllieArmageddon:
Well I'm a Uk Virgin Mobile customer but I have read post where people have won againsts att over this.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
I would love to see something more than a forum claim of 'I punched AT&T in the gut'.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Focustom:
How did you put a block on it?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] :
They put it. Lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
You didn't read any of my posts did you? I'm ONLY talking about if you did not tether AT ALL.

It's pretty easy to explain things when you are innocent, just tell them you want to work things out. That, or if you are military take your contract down to the base legal office and let those friendly folks tell you exactly what I did. If you are a civilian, go pay a lawyer. If you are from another country, then I have no idea.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Well one of us isn't reading. In all of your posts you only make the innocence claim for yourself. And even then only once. Apparently YOU are not reading since the rest of the folks are or have tethered.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
I thought he was listening to music through BT speakers. That is not tethering, hence he/she is innocent.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
And lot of the people have tethered in the past and are only recently receiving the letter.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] zelendel:
From his post he was using Google music which stores all the music in the cloud and uses alot of data so I can see where it would look like he was tethering if they just went off if data usage
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
OK? What does that have to do with what we are talking about? We aren't discussing method of notification.

I see your point. ATT is pretty understanding if you pay your bills and are polite, though. So nothing is "fatal" so to speak. I like ATT lol
[Samsung Infuse 4G] WarbyD:
I find it amusing that there seems to be people in here who don't see why streaming music, video, etc should be treated similarly to sharing other internet traffic (even one post claiming that streamed media isn't "data" --- good work!) ..

Data transferred is data transferred, regardless of whether it's music, video, text, images, whatever - it is all data being transferred over a connection and while I do not necessarily agree with AT&T's supposed stance on this - if you are using your phone to stream media, from the internet (you *DO* realise that all of those movies on netflix aren't stored on some secret computer AT&T have strapped to your back don't you?), to another device, then why is it that you feel that should be treated any differently than if you were doing exactly the same to browse the web from another device?

Internet browsing uses a damned sight less bandwidth than streaming movies and music, so if anything I would expect them to be more lenient with regard to using your phone's internet connection to occasionally view a webpage on your computer than using it to have a constant stream of audio or video playing..

As I said, I don't agree with AT&T's stance - personally being told that I had to pay extra to share any connection between my own devices would be enough to turn me away from that carrier (not an issue for us here in Aus - haven't heard of any of the major carriers trying that rubbish) but come on guys.. Use a little of that grey matter once in a while!!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
If you did actually, you know, READ, then you would understand. I mentioned WHY he was notified at all, not the method of notification.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
You said they only recieved a letter, what does that have to do with fighting false tethering accusations?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
My god. It's like you can't process a one sentence post.

Read it and stop pretending that you can't see half the words or just move on.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
I give up. If one side is angry nothing will get accomplished in a discussion. Go calm down, come back and we can try it again.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] seschu01:
I say everyone with Unlimited just stream Netflix or some other massive bandwidth device directly from their phones all night every night. Sure it tanks the network but we have unlimited data so long as we lock our phones in a metal box and nothing connects to them, right?!!

I also received this same letter. Essentially I had to pinky promise that I wouldn't do it and they did nothing. However, this does need some legalese to review it. How would this work with Sync and other BT enabled devices such as my car? What about Jabra Stones, can I not longer use my headset now, what about other headsets?

As you can start seeing, this is getting silly.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Hard to have a discussion if you refuse to read all but the last 3 words of a post.

"And (a) lot of the people have tethered in the past and are only recently receiving the letter."

You continue to ignore the bold part and we have nothing more to say.

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Wow. At least read the last 3 pages.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
i Teather all the time.......again though i only have the 2g plan. and i dont mind paying the extra 10 buck when i go over for the extra Gig. but i have never gotten a letter. i may stream a movie or so, maybe some hulu but nothing happens.

to me its just a ploy from at&t to slowly widdle away at the UNLIMITED users who are so called abusing there network. has anyone with out Unlimited data had this Letter or Text??

maybe i just have not gotten one yet.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
/facepalm

Cool...people who broke the rules got a letter. Once again, it's irrelevant because I talking about people that do not tether. I quoted your entire post when you first posted it. Useless then, useless now, and even more useless in bold.

Also, none of it's bold on my phone :)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Longcat14:
You have the 2GB plan, if you go over, they charge you, so they don't care at ALL if you go over, because they can charge you for it.

Us unlimited data users can't be charged, so that pisses them off.

But honestly, I've tethered before, but I used like, 300MB, and I really doubt they cared since it was a small amount of data.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
It's only irrelevant if you're being an idiot and just joined the thread.

We're done.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] seschu01:
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Wow. At least read the last 3 pages.[/QUOTE]

I know sarcasm is hard to get online. It's ok you are fogiven.

Also, reading the last 3 pages of this thread is like listening to elementary school kids argue over who has the best lunch box. No Thanks!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] skatin707:
.

Trust me, that's all it is. I tried to add to the thread then somebody got all pissy. Oh well. He's just mad, don't worry about it. All of his rants after a certain point have been irrelevant.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
I know sarcasm is hard to get online. It's ok you are fogiven.

Also, reading the last 3 pages of this thread is like listening to elementary school kids argue over who has the best lunch box. No Thanks![/QUOTE]

Your specific questions were answered right before dumbass started wasting my time.

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[Samsung Infuse 4G] zelendel:
You know I have to agree this thread has gone way off topic. I think the OPs question has been answered and now hopefully they understand the diff between a BT connection ( Headset, speakers, ect) and streaming music (google music). The later being the reason you got the letter and ATT saying that you were tethering when you werent. If you like having your music synced to your car then I would suggest keeping your music on an externel SD card on the phone, this wa your not using att data connection to retrieve your music, album art, lyrics from the Google Music cloud.

I am gonna close this up as question answered.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] DevinXtreme:
Just a heads up, Netflix is now available, legitimately, from the market for Android 3.x devices. This includes the Transformer.
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] baseballfanz:
You're a few days late bro.:D
[Eee Pad Transformer Themes and Apps] Spidey01:
A better issue is it worth more than xfinity+splashtop, hehe
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c0ncept:
Sort of a strange problem that I don't get much information about when I Google it. Just for some basic information, I'm running an older version of Serendipity (whichever version came out around May, I think). I learned enough to install a custom ROM, however, I'm not very comfortable with it as I've only done it once. I'm on 2.2 also.

Quite often, when typing (Gingerbread Keyboard), it will type letters twice when I only press the key once. For example, I type something like "Hello" but my phone will type "Hhello." It's very annoying, and it sometimes happens several times in a single paragraph that I type. I'm fairly sure that it only happens to the first letter in a word, and not in the middle of words. It doesn't happen when I type slowly, but when I type at an average speed, it happens pretty often. Another thing I've noticed, is that when it does the "double letter" thing, I will feel the vibrate on keypress last twice as long and sort of lag up and make a strange noise.

Anyone seen this issue before? Thanks for any help.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NiklarenF1:
Android 4.0 was already announced, and some people started to work for roms for other phones. My question is does anybody going to do a rom for Arc?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djdevine2:
We won't see a ROM until the source code for ICS is released, Google usually releases it when the first phone gets it.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShyamSasi:
Acutally there is WIP at X10 forum. Google has released the SDK for ICS.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mesho Arc:
I saw someone who Ported ICS SDK to his Nexus one, but it was on old kernal, ICS uses the new Linux Kernal 3.0
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShyamSasi:
ICS Porting guide by Siulmagic
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unix_6:
download sdk for ics
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
Reserved.
[HTC EVO 3D] remf4i:
So is this a rom?
[HTC EVO 3D] housry23:
Hello, Mike! I use your Rom exclusively on my Asus Transformer and it is so buttery smooth. I will load this into Boot Manager and see how this baby runs on my EVO 3D. Thanks for the ROM bro!
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
Even I don't have this device I decided to make ROM for it. Every day I receive few requests to make Evo 3D ROM so let's stop this :p Android Revolution HD for HTC Evo 3D will be available soon.
[HTC EVO 3D] chlehqls:
Woot! Glad to see more renowned Sensation developers coming over.

Cannot wait.
[HTC EVO 3D] clark44:
I have heard great things about you Mike. Can't wait to see what you have in store for us
[HTC EVO 3D] snxxxxx:
One of the best dev team come to 3d!! Nice..
[HTC EVO 3D] soundwavedj:
is there a link to this rom?
[HTC EVO 3D] monyozt:
not available atm.
[HTC EVO 3D] Whiskey103:
not yet, will come soon ;)
[HTC EVO 3D] housry23:
Hey Mike, I talked to you on IRC and you asked about kernels. I forgot that Ziggy has a very fast ans stable kernel for the EVO 3D. He has made it for the Synergy and Virus's ROMS, but I bet if you asked him nicely he would let you use it, or even build one specifically for you. Just a thought.
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
Thanks for the suggestion mate! I will contact with him :)
[HTC EVO 3D] novanosis85:
Timat is not stable, so stay away from it for now.
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
Thanks for the warning, do you have some kernel suggestion?
[HTC EVO 3D] clark44:
Honestly best thing to do is create one your self. Ask ziggy if you could use his. His are very stable and fast
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
Thanks! :)
[HTC EVO 3D] LfnsR:
FYI...also check out Bcblend/Mwalt. It is in CleanROM DE and works great with no issues.
[HTC EVO 3D] str8upx:
Been wanting this in the 3D for a long time. Awesome.
[HTC EVO 3D] clark44:
Ok guys so far this ROM is amazing. Mike sent me a test zip and I have one statement to make.

"The most smooth ROM I have tried to date. Feels like butter."

Honestly this thing is three things: Fast Stable and Stock :)
[HTC EVO 3D] chlehqls:
Oh man. Coming from you clark, that's quite a statement. I cannot wait for this ROM.

Any plans to port and work with any other devs from the depths of the Sensation forums? lol
[HTC EVO 3D] PaulB007:
I've been going nuts for two days waiting to try out this bad boy!
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
No worries, download links coming very soon!
[HTC EVO 3D] vayman:
Thanks mike for your efforts in bringing this to the 3D. Can't wait to give this thing a whirl! :D
[HTC EVO 3D] clark44:
Port coming soon :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=17932057
[HTC EVO 3D] mrnygiants:
Mike, cant wait. Couple of questions, do you plan on integrating some Ice Cream Sandwich stuff or Sense 3.5? Anyway, I cant wait to get this bad boy installed. Thank you for your hard work!
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
It's not a port mate, it's a fresh cake baked with RUU for Sprint EVO 3D :)
[HTC EVO 3D] mike1986.:
The philosophy of my ROMs is that I always work with official or leaked ROMs from HTC for current device. I don't do porting or experimenting. Here you will always find latest available stable base. If HTC will release Sense 3.5 for Evo 3D - you will see it in my ROM for sure.
[HTC EVO 3D] bigupurself7:
Battery life

I am more concerned with battery life than speed. How is this ROM on battery life? I've been having horrible life with ViperRom. Looking for a new place to try.