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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] xavier_arena:
i hav windows7 in htc hd2 then i flash wit android 2.2 using mgldr1.12 after flash my internal memory not available.

windows7 cannot show my SD card and bluetooth not working so i install android back. Android is more better then win7 Now plz i need internal memory plz get me out of this issue
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cx1:
anybody :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] whistler-nl:
Please dont start 10 new topics just because youre not getting an answer as quickly as you would like.

And i think you are mixing up internal and sd memory....
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] jackrabbit72380:
sory with out useing plz what is the question issue you are faceing?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] NEDSTER1972:
I find it much easier to just have 2 sd cards & switch them for whichever op system i want. Plus it saves you memory on cards.

I have an 8gb for my windows & 16gb for my android.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Robbie P:
Did you forget to unlock the sd in WP7 before going to android?;)

If so read http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1242071
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] xavier_arena:
SD card i unlocked already using SD application.Now my only one problem is i can't use my internal memory plz help me to get out of this issue.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] anseio:
Do you still have WP7 flashed on the NAND? Absolute worst case scenario, start at the beginning. Reflash Windows Mobile 6.5, then Magldr, then Android ROM for NAND.

Am I reading this right that you're booting Android from your SD card?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] xavier_arena:
win7 already i flash witn android nand. No its not booting from SD. it booting from Nand.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] anseio:
I guess my next question is why would you want to put photos and music on the NAND? The HD2 only has 1GB. Wouldn't those files be better suited for the SD card?
[HTC Inspire 4G] Nylo:
At the moment I'm using a HTC Tilt 2 WM 6.5 without a data plan due to the fact I'm Grandfathered in via the pre data forcing by AT&T. Since I have never purchased a cell phone from AT&T my contract has never been renewed. Hence I can switch from one smartphone to another with no activation of a data plan.

My question:

I plan to get, and root, a used HTC Inspire. I have heard all Android phones must have a data plan or they

physically will not work.

Is this true? Or is this coming from individuals that have not been Grandfathered in and just do not know better?
[HTC Inspire 4G] ngravatt:
i was in the same boat as you months ago when the inspire came out. I have an unlimited data/txt/MMS plan which cost me $29.99 a month. I have not renewed a contract in about 5 years. My unlimited data plan is grandfathered in. I can use as much data as i want and dont have to worry about overages.

Yes, ATT will detect that you are using the new phone. They will also tell you that you HAVE to upgrade your data plan. You dont. They will also tell you that they will automatically update your data plan when they detect you are using the '4g' phone. That is wont, its actually illegal.

I have had the inspires since the day it came out and i still pay $90 a month for 900 min of talk time and unlimited text/data/mms.

I did the math the last time they tried to make me upgrade my plan to the $35/month "4G" data plan. Over two years of paying more for less (data), i would save money by buying the phone for the list price and not upgrading my plan. They i would have to buy a plan for text and mms messages.

So i would suggest you buy the phone outright for whatever it costs now.

I go so far as to not even give them my phone number and tell them the phone is a gift for a friend. When they give me a problem about that, and say the MUST have a phone number, i give them the phone number of one my friends that has an iphone, or use my work number, since the are both ATT phone numbers.

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note though, if you do not have a data plan, you may want to make sure the data radio is turned off and simply use the wi-fi on the phone to access the internet. Android is always running stuff in the background that uses your data plan.

I turn mine off so that i dont get emails when i am out and about at night or asleep.

never had an issue except with the sales people and the store that 'know it all' because they are paid to get you to upgrade to the latest plan. they tell you that you MUST upgrade just so they can get their commission or meet some quota i guess. call their bluff. its worked for me ever since i went to the original tilt a few years back.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Agoattamer:
Your android phone will work without a data plan. However ATT will detect it and can hook you up to a data plan and charge you without asking you. There is nothing illegal about that. ATT has every right to do that. It is their policy.

But ATT is not the evil cellphone provider that everyone thinks they are. Most likely what I said above will happen. But since you are in a grandfathered plan and have been a valued ATT customer I would talk to an ATT representative. Most likely they will just put a block on your data and you will be able to continue on as you have in the past. That is as long as you buy the phone outright.
[HTC Inspire 4G] ngravatt:
Agoattamer may be right about automatically signing your up for a data plan. I am lucky because I signed up for the unlimited plan years ago, so technically, i do have a data plan.

I do know for a fact that they have told me they will automatically change my plan to one of their newer plans because now i have a smarter phone. I pretty much got in an argument about it with the sales rep on why i should 'upgrade' my plan when it is already unlimited. His only answer was, as Agoattamer stated, it's ATT policy for the newer, smarter phones.

They have not 'automatically upgraded my plan' though, but have told me they will each time i go in there. The first time was when i bought the tilt 1, and then i had to get a international roaming plan for a vacation, and they looked at my account and said the same thing. Has not happened yet, and it has been a few years.

i am sure that if i were to consume 10 gigs of data in one month though, i would probably get automatically upgraded, so thats why i fly under the radar and mostly use wi-fi. Only use my cell data radio on the road or when i NEED it outside of wi-fi coverage. To this date, i still have not consumed more than a 1 gig in a month on my cell data radio.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Agoattamer:
What ngravatt says here is true. They may get you and they may not get you. There are many that get by under the radar and then I have heard of many that get caught the first day. It is a coin tossup. But as ngravatt also said which I said above: Talk to them and they will work it out with you usually. But since you have no data plan your phone will begin using data shortly after you turn it on. And I think that will be a major red flag to ATT. So either they will catch you and add you to a plan or you will get charged for the data you use which can be quite expensive.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nhshah7:
well...they can, but they ahve to send you a notice saying they're changing your contract terms, but they give you an option to back out of your contract if you disagree with the new terms.

You should be able to buy it outright or upgrade, and turn off your data plan. You could just use the sim card swap technique to put it in another phone and say you lost the other one (after a month) and that you want them to turn off ALL data. This way you can upgrade and get the cheapest price on the phone (?free) AND only pay a month of data. ATT *does* let people with smartphones disable data and they don't force you onto a data plan. I have friends that do this with iphones and other smartphones. This might be your cheapest option.

off topic here, i was on a tilt2 up until the beg of march when my screen refused to turn on, and since it was 6 months after my warranty expired (90 day refurb warranty), i had to upgrade. mannn, wish i could've held out until att lte phones came out...
[HTC Inspire 4G] jsm7483:
If you buy at upgrade pricing you have to re-sign your service agreement. That is when they hit you with the data plan change. If you purchase your phone outright then you will not sign a new service agreement. If you get a text saying that you need a new data plan call 611. Tell them that you have unlimited data and you are receiving text messages. They will update the data plan you are on to the new grandfathered data plan and you are all set. At least in my experience that was what happened to me. Text messages stopped and I am on the corrected unlimited data plan. And I pull about 5-6 gigs a month so yes it is unlimited, and no I do not tether.
[HTC Inspire 4G] jsm7483:
Sorry just re read a little more. They will require a data plan for you and they will not grandfather you since there is nothing to grandfather. I would buy outright online from a private party and pop your SIM in.
[HTC Inspire 4G] xboxhaxorz:
i have been using smart phones for a while since the windows mobile times, and have upgraded since sometimes buying the phone on ebay or sometimes renewing my contract

i put a data block on my phone and just use wifi

the other people on my plan have data on there phone
[HTC Inspire 4G] bluizzo:
What if you have a desire HD, would they tag you too?

Sent from my CM7 Nightly HTC Desire HD
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gizmoe:
Yes. They will still notice. Using a desire hd still requires your sim and still uses att network.

Phone: HTC Inspire 4gRadio: 26.13.04.19

Ril: 2.2.0179Rom: GB Sense 4.0i by fshami
[HTC Inspire 4G] bluizzo:
Oh okay, thanks

Sent from my CM7 Nightly HTC Desire HD
[HTC Inspire 4G] SpoonDefy:
How about h2o?
[HTC Inspire 4G] biglittlegato:
But how will they know it's a smartphone? My understanding was that if the imei is not in their database, they have no way of determining what device you actually have.

Sent from my Inspire 4G using the power of the dark side
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gene Poole:
This is true from what I hear. You can buy a Telus DHD (uses the same frequencies as AT&T) and add an unlimited non-smart phone data plan for like $10/month. Your Telus DHD will get 3G/4G just like an Inspire, but won't be flagged as a "smart" device by AT&T. This could all change at any time though if AT&T gets wise to you.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gizmoe:
I assume they would notice that you are using a device that does not match your imei number and they would require you to activate it. It might not take them too long to notice but who knows. Things do slip through the cracks.

Phone: HTC Inspire 4gRadio: 26.13.04.19

Ril: 2.2.0179Rom: GB Sense 4.0i by fshami
[HTC Inspire 4G] zelendel:
Carriers have been working with the OEMs to fix this. They are at the point where they may not be able to determine what device it is but can tell what type of device. Its not that hard to look at the data usage and other things and determine what type of device is being used.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Agoattamer:
Check my sig and you will see I am using a Telus DHD. Before that I used a T-mobile Samsung Vibrant and before that I used a Telstra HTC HD2. All three phones worked on ATT for 3G. None of the 3 showed up on the ATT web site. It still shows to this day, my samsung impression. I am using the non smartphone $10/month unlimited data plan. It has worked for 2 years but I do not abuse it. It may change in the near future, who knows.
[HTC Inspire 4G] nhshah7:
Did this for three years no issues. Didn't manage to upgrade to my Inspire with the same data plan though :-(
[HTC Inspire 4G] Gene Poole:
That's the thing with GSM phones. They only care about the SIM for activation. The IMEI is secondary and only used (by AT&T anyway) to identify the type of phone. If it's not in their database, they have no way of knowing what kind of phone it is.
[HTC Amaze 4G] goonx:
Hey All,

I was just wondering if they could post some of their impressions of the Amaze's battery life. According to the engadget's review it's horrid. 5hrs of use? that can't even last half a day. Mind you, the Amaze has a bigger battery than the sensation

(google Engadget Amaze)

I currently have the Sensation and the battery life was "bearable". It was at the limit of what's acceptable for battery life. After I undervolted the cores (-62.5mV), i'm having amazing battery life (10-12 hours of usage with data/email/text/light surfing/calls). If I upgrade to the Anker battery, it's going to be sweet.

I was originally going to upgrade to the Amaze but the battery life scares me. Can anyone so a comparison between the GS2 or post some real-life usage stats of the battery? If it's really that bad, i might just have to get the other option which is the GS2.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Eclipsex2:
I think its normal

the desire hd have that battery live, the sensation too....the amaze have exactly the same battery
[HTC Amaze 4G] Mrperf3ct:
Agree
[HTC Amaze 4G] Enzopreme:
i think its great actually..
[HTC Amaze 4G] allyn274:
I don't think it's any worse than any other (most recently, Sensation - like the others here).
[HTC Amaze 4G] 2ndHalfCor:
I agree. I've had several Androids, and this one seems about average. I can burn through a full charge in 5-6 hours of heavy use, or go all day with the phone mostly on standby. Like any other Android, I charge whenever I have the opportunity. I would love to have the battery life of my BB9780.
[HTC Amaze 4G] goonx:
that sounds better... engadget made it sound really really bad. I was wondering what was making the phone consume so much power. It's essentially almost the same hardware as the sensation except for a few new upgrades.

does anyone have their battery graph to share?
[HTC Amaze 4G] Q.Entity:
Usually, I take anything reported by Engadget as not reliable ...

It is very clear that if it is not an Apple product, they will find a way to criticize...
[HTC Amaze 4G] jaqm01:
It was true with old blackberries, but if you take Torch and similar to Android or iPhone, you will notice that multitasking is killing a battery phone, as well as its capacitive screen.

Old blaberries were bearing strong battery life, as it was doing nothing in background (and in foreground :p ... sorry, joking).

BUT, I'm using a Desire (first gen) and waiting to upgrade to Telus Amaze. What I can say, is the ROM, by what it integrates as processes and apps running, is the culprit. I tried Cyanogenmod, then LeeDroid, and depending on the version, one was better than another... for now, last LeeDroid version is GREAT!!!
[HTC Amaze 4G] JaiaV:
Gizmodo is far worse than Engadget about this, but Engadget has gotten noticeably skewed lately.
[HTC Amaze 4G] TheSneakerWhore:
It seems normal to me--same run time as my Vibrant on CM7/Vibrant 4g on custom Froyo/ N1 on Sense. 5 hours? They were hitting it harder than the fist of an angry god. I play music 9 hours straight, games, sms, calls. 9 HOURS.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Spovik:
I personally find it exceptional, especially right out of the box.

I use 25% screen brightness and black background.

2G only.

The only syncs I have are FB, Gmail and Exchange. I've disabled the unnecessary stuff like weather stocks and FB contact integration as well as Picasa sync and I can easily get a full day out of it and come home with 60% battery life left.

I'm not a heavy user but I'm very happy with the battery life. I'm excited to get in and start ditching bloat.
[HTC Amaze 4G] vergil1122:
Since you have sensation u can use sensation,s battery for amaze. I bought an anker battery of sensation, it works perfect on my amaze
[HTC Amaze 4G] vvveith:
Totally disagree.

I have a sensation and a Amaze, the amaze is a much more impressive device and has the best battery life I've seen since I started using the HD2 back in the day. Normal use last me almost a full twenty four hours, with sync mail every two hours/weather. And since it was released about four weeks ago, tmo has already released three updates and told me another is coming very shortly to add the wi fi calling feature, and also stated that HTC will be giving us a new update to take us to ICS.

Compared to the sensation, the amaze is a real peice of hardware, the sensation just feels cheap to me and it's battery is very poor. I'm selling my sensation and keeping the amaze. You'll like it if you get one. Peace. V:)
[HTC Amaze 4G] goonx:
Thanks for all the replies! If I can get someone to buy my sensation, i'll be definitely buying the Amaze. I live in canada so unfortunately i can't check it out in person but it sounds like a great piece of hardware.

The only thing i might miss is not having the the SAMOLED on the GS2. Resolution vs. Colour saturation. :mad:
[HTC Amaze 4G] rollingjoe:
I have the Sensation and upgraded to the Amaze last week. I never received any updates. What three Tmo updates are you referring to?

How is it that you are getting a full day on a charge? I have the brightness turned down, all Htc widgets off, and simple use and barely get 10 hours until its down to 20%. It is an improvement over the Sensation but imo, not in the battery department.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Spovik:
Set your network mode to GSM only. There is little to no use to high speed data if it's just idle receiving emails.

I use the Curvefish widget 2g/3g on/off which brings me to that part of the wireless networks menu for easy change so if time is a factor and I want to surf, I'll turn it on.

If that doesn't do it for you, dupliacte some of the settings and see if there is a change.

I did no battery "training" with mine either.
[HTC Amaze 4G] biccio:
To answer to the thread title:YES, MY BATTERY S***!

I have disabled almost any sync ( left gmail...I buy android only for that) and in 30 minutes my battery passed from 40 to 15. just doing some Skype chats. I can afford two batteries..or plug it while at work..but I unplugged at 4 pm...at 8.30 was at 15% alarm! I went out of office at 6...what could I possibly do wrong? Sgs2...I am coming soon..
[HTC Amaze 4G] getrdy:
2h at Starbucks listening to YouTube and few Skype calls = 60% battery

Even my sensation wasn't doing that bad ... Wtf is it made of ...pudding maybe ??
[HTC Amaze 4G] biccio:
That doesn't even arrende bad to me...you were streaming a lot

at the end.
[HTC Amaze 4G] southpaw773:
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

re: battery
[HTC Amaze 4G] Spovik:
Here's an example of my battery life.
[HTC Amaze 4G] F033x:
juice defender ultimate is really helpful with this phone.

~9hrs of moderate use. much better than what I got with my g2 and mugen extended battery.
[HTC Amaze 4G] biccio:
I know I am new here...and mine should be interpreted as a suggestion. I have a lot of experience with mobile phones..I am an engineer..and a developer...ex-owner of N95 (famous battery drainer)..Android hater/lover...Symbian lover/hater...etc.

I have been complaining about the Amaze (which I love externally) due to the battery life...therefore I check hourly this forum.

Can I ask to briefly explain the settings when you post the battery history picture?? One day I got 4 hours...with almost stock settings, and I don't like seeing people who do 40 h...it hurts my "consumer" feeling knowing I spent $600 and having to recharge it 3 times a day.

My "feelings" got back when I discover that you have juice defender...2g only...airplane mode on...etc. I know with 2g only and airplane mode I will get 160 days of battery life(maybe less:D), but in that case I would buy another phone.

PS: I said I WOULD buy.

Everyone is free to use the phone how he/she prefers...but we need to know how you get that battery life for the thread to be helpful. There are way to many settings you can change on Android, and the battery page does not explain those.

I hope you can add a brief explanation like many users are doing.
[HTC Amaze 4G] :
just my 2 cents

i recalibrated the battery after the third or fourth day using battery left. the battery life still isn't excellent but pulling off charger at 7:30AM, browsing the web, listening to music all day at work and running wi-fi all day as well i have about 15-30% left at 5pm. So, not great but not abysmal either.
[HTC Amaze 4G] Spovik:
If you're question is directed towards me, I believe I had included my settings either in this thread on a previous page or in another battery thread. I can't say with 100% certainty since i'm at work, but for the nutshell version, I pretty much keep things at a bare minimum.

I do not use any juice defender or other task killers/managers.

2g Only and 25% screen brightness are my bread and butter

I also have a plain black wallpaper, and every single app I con configure to have light text on a black background has been done.

I have exchange gmail and FB accounts.

I'fe disabled the preinstalled and preactivated bloat like T-Mobile backup, Stocks, weather, etc etc and I always disable automatic updating for apps (even though I think that setting is just a placebo as it sometimes still updates). I also have no "automatic" widgets.

Edit: I'm also not considered a heavy user. If I have to surf the web i use my work PC. Same with listening to music. My phone is monstly email communication with the capability for email/web/navi when on the road.
[HTC Amaze 4G] iGoOsE76:
i second this... Juice defender ultimate is a must on android phone. i run my phone all day on a 12 hour shift and I still have 30% when 'm done...
[HTC Amaze 4G] unfaix:
I think if your screen is on less than 50% of the time, then you're not really using your device.

What good is a dual core processor if you just leave it on idle.

Also, I could get over 15 hours if I fully charge my phone by midnight and unplug it until I wake up in the morning, that's over 5 hours battery life already.

My actual battery usage is around 6 hours with heavy usage on games, text, web.

Battery life isn't going to get better anytime soon, since companies are at the processor speed competition these days.
[HTC Amaze 4G] tapfuma:
Battery Life Does S***

I think the Batt liffe is not that good for this heavy usage phone. I handed my Sensation down to wifey and i did not have as many batt issues compared to the Amaze.

I mean i bought the phone because i am a heavy user, i like to keep up with everything going on and i don't want to miss the Taco meeting at the office, then call Erick a freak, only because i did not get the message because i was on 2g or some crap setting. I bought a M5 and i will drive it like a M5 not a TaTa. If HTC seriously think that this is worth more than the SGII, they need to put a batt that matches.

I guess i have to fork out another $45 to $50 for a good extended batt. Seriously HTC, i am sick of all my HTC devices that need an additional amount for Batt and this and that. Your becoming more like Apple

Sorry for that Rant, i am at school at 6:30 PM and my phone has been dead for the last 2 hours because of a weak batt. I unplugged it exactly at 10:00 PM, and barely used it today compared to other days on my previous phones

And what's up with giving us Sense 3.0 instead of 3.5

More Power needs more Battery, It's logical
[HTC Amaze 4G] cndctrdj:
it was bad the first few days but after downloading juicedefender it has become pretty good
[HTC Amaze 4G] katamari201:
Well I'm trying to decide between the Amaze 4G and T-mobile's Galaxy S II. The thing is, they both have the same processor at 1.5ghz dual core and 4G HSPA+. So shouldn't they have similar battery life? I have no data plan and just want to use Wifi for an occasional web search and make a few phone calls (I know, super light usage) with the phone mostly on standby on 2G with the 3G/4G always disabled and both screens probably at 30%. With these light conditions, would both phones have about the same battery life? Like maybe three days of standby with occasional use? I kind of don't see why HTC is suppose to get worse battery life when these phones really aren't all that different. Just hearsay though.