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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eman3316@optonline.net:
Glad to see this thread back on track. It will be interesting to see if and when ICS hits how much of this bounty will actually be collected. Might be a good basis to see if bounty's truly work on XDA and if people are good on their word.

I would also hope if someone moves onto another device or no longer has interest in ICS for whatever reason, they let Weltwon know so he can remove their pledge. It will look better if we can collect most of what we are actually proposing to the devs. It will also make threads like this more legit and not looked at like some BS to try and motivate the devs.

Even though most dev's do what they do because they enjoy it and not because of the bounty, we the users should still prove good on our word.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
Good on our word

I concur 100% which is one reason why I'm not letting a few insults from trolls

deter me from our goal. This thread may truly be the test by which all future

similar threads are judged.

Thanks again to the 74 people who have already joined me by pledging a donation

which may reach $2,000 today. Our ICS ROM developers deserve every penny of it,

especially since some of them can use our donations to get better hardware

so they can create even better ROMs for us in the future.

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] surge89:
I agree!! I have just been looking around never minded posting and have seen this thread a couple of times and said to myself "you know what, these guys are spending their time to bring this to us with no incentive at all". Sure, they could do it and keep it all for themselves. I think this is a great idea and they definitely deserve every last penny! A couple of bucks isn't much but once a lot of people chip in it turns into a lot. Hopefully everyone who pledged will actually pay up!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JohnCorleone:
I was thinking the same thing. I would never pledge something then not come through when it came to fruition. That being said, its very close to payday for me so I will make my pledge when its in my hand. No empty promises will come from here. I always do my best to honor a commitment. I hope those that pledged will do the same.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
This has gotten to be a very temperamental thread.

Started by the op as a very good cause to get the word out to the Developers that we'd like Ice Cream Sandwich, and some of us have them a little incentive although they would try to get us ICS whether there was any monetary incentive or not. Although it's always nice to show our appreciation for their hard work.

Now the thread has attracted those with much criticism of the op and the thread in general.

Why, I have no idea, at least not a rational one.

Maybe we should let this thread get back to be what it was about in the first place, which is self explanatory.

---------- Post added at 12:50 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:34 AM ----------

Found this > >

http://androidforums.com/samsung-ep...-sandwich-android-4-0-update.html#post3559725

Maybe we'll get some more interest ;-)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
We each get 1 reputation

Although most people on XDA hide behind a pseudonym

many have been here for years and develop a reputation.

Each of us gets to choose if we want a rep as someone

who contributes positive ideas and information, or merely

seeks attention by posting negatives & insults. In a way,

I'm almost glad that I have some troll posts on this thread

because it makes me appreciate the good positive people

even more.

I may be wrong but after reading a number of reports around

the web today about ICS, my gut says it might take another month

before we have a fully functional ICS ROM for our E4GT.

It also sounds like Samsung will deliver an update to address

the LOS problems. Today after over 2 months of use, I had only

my 2nd LOS which I fixed in 60 seconds by simply rebooting.

Getting a Samsung update before ICS might be the best thing

because parts of that update could be incorporated into our ICS.

Starting a new year with a new ROM almost seems fitting

AND I believe all current donors will be even happier if we have

even more pledged donations to offer to our winning developer.

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] M5Rahul:
Put me down for $10
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
this is not a pseudonym... since i find monetary donations to be overrated, i am going to donate a box of pop secret. If there are multiple devs i will split up bags accordingly.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
as I said, I wasnt trolling. I was simply stating my opinion. I was unware that simply stating an opinion that was different than yours was considered trolling. I thought I was very respectful to you in my post. I can see you dont give that same respect back. Hey, I'm a dev and you talk about how much you support our devs yet you accuse me of trolling.. Thanks :) I appreciate it :D

About your rumors comment. Do you ever go in the IRC channel where we all are? no.. I'm there a lot of the time. codeworkx is the dev that is working on the other gs2. Viperboy was using his base before they closed it off to everyone. He came into the channel and viperboy asked if it was possible if he could at least get access to the git so we could get our port moving along, promised not to share it yada yada yada. Viperboy told codewokx he was still learning and was just asking codeworkx questions (this is when I wasnt paying much attention). Then codeworkx suggested that the group work on getting CM7 working first because all of the working ports so far are using hacked AOSP GB kernels, so if we could get cm7 working it would make their job much much easier to get ICs fully working. He used an analogy like crawling before walking or another one like that This is not rumor this was exactly what was discussed in IRC which I was in at the time

Which kind of makes sense since the ICS code is new devs are still getting use to it. So it's more likely there would be more support available to us to get cm 7 working first since devs are much more familiar with that code, then they can focus on porting ICS with a modified GB kernel.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
^^^this^^^

Aalmost word for word on how it went down. You forgot about the mouse/tiger, and the broken gun, lol. However I do think it is up to Viper/Steady to "break the news". In reality this is the best way to go, codeworkx is right and will be more help once they tackle CM7.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
That was it! mouse and tiger. lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. But they have been pretty busy the past few days and I know people's anticipation grows more and more everyday for this rom. So I just wanted to give people a heads up so they dont get restless ;-) We will get there that's for sure But the OP was probably right that we wont see it for at least a month
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
My guess is a little more than a month (meaning maybe CM in a month). And once people realize it is that far off they will flood the MIUI port thread. There are already a few over their telling the Dev how to run his port! This place has become off the chain, in a bad way, lol.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
Honestly, that's why I havent done anything with this device. I was coming from HTC devices so at the start I just kicked back and took in all the differences with working with samsung devices and I was going to at first do a theme but seeing how some of these people demand stuff and feel entitled makes me not want to bother. "by the way can you create a flashable zip that prints money?", "I dont like the font of the clock, can you change it?", "I dont like this or that in the rom, can you change it" lol I have had bosses that werent as demanding as some of the people on xda. They dont pay me and my boss does, yet they demand more. go figure lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Will of fire:
Any work done is appreciated well at least by me. It's true people don't like the truth. If we can't give our opinion without saying we are trolling the community will never get better
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
LOL, I can understand where you are coming from. I dont think I would be to motivated either. This craziness seemed to start in the Evo 3D forum, back when the device was delayed. Then it got worse when the bootloader was locked. And OMG when people found out AlphaRev had S-Off for a couple weeks and never said anything, **** was flying everywhere! Something has definitely changed, Android has grown, and with this growth a new generation of users have discovered XDA and such. These new users think of Mods as a entitlement, sort of like welfare if you will, lol. Once things calm down the forums will get a bit more relaxing (hopefully), though IMO it will take CyanogenMod-AOSP-MIUI to calm the storm :eek: I guess a port of ICS would do the trick too! lmao
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
Time

If creating an ICS ROM especially for Sprint phones were easy

we'd already have it and MANY developers would be working on it.

That is exactly why this thread exists. Those of us who pledge

donations want developers to know that we are behind them 100%

and aren't here to grab freebies and demand more

without offering anything for their work.

Samsung's history tells us they won't offer us an ICS ROM until

next Summer (or later). The goal of this thread has been

and will continue to be 1 thing: Providing incentive for developers

to spend more time on ICS for our E4GT.

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eman3316@optonline.net:
And let's keep it that way but in the process, please stop knocking some of the good folks here at XDA who are far from trolls. I was a bit surprised at some of the people you had pointed fingers at.

What you do not know are those people you call trolls, who you think are slowing down the release of ICS are the ones in IRC who are actually in good with the devs and chill with them over there.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] G1-evolve:
I'll give $20.00 for a fully working supported ROM.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] odub303:
I've been down this path several times in this thread. Differing opinions based on logical reasoning do not seem to be tolerated and result in the person putting forth such opinions being labelled as naysayers and trolls. I've given up trying to be helpful and have just watched as expectations continue to run wild. I'm waiting for the inevitable backlash from the folks who were expecting a somewhat usable ROM like yesterday.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
And this is why bounty threads have always been frowned upon because once you start having people commited into donating for a cause, the sense of entitlement kicks in. It never fails.

"LOL An update just to say there are no updates is like throwing away old used crack pipes full of residues in a crack house!" - HondaCop
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mazook98:
This is my first time in this thread.

I was just curious about the reasons for the drama in a couple of other threads, and was seeing if something perhaps got started here..It doesn't seem to be the case. But while I'm here:

Personally, I think bounties for Roms are kind of retarded and self-defeating: I think users become even MORE self-entitled if they've donated to a bounty. It seems like if someone throws in a few dollars, they feel like they have full access to progress updates and should be allowed to ask the Devs anything they want to.

(Besides that, do you really think a team of 8 or so guys (on average, I'd guess, for a major release like this) even care to hear the word "bounty" when you're only talking about a couple hundred bucks apiece going to each guy?)

But ^^^^^^ that's all just MY opinion, and if you believe that bounties are productive, then more power to you, and best of luck.

None of this is the reason for my post.

What IS the reason:

I was wondering how easy it was to make a donation, and was actually going to help you guys at least get to $2000, until I saw the OP. (my XDA app is set up to load the "latest post first" as my first view of a thread, so sometimes I actually won't ever see the OP of a thread for days..)

I could NOT believe what I saw:

OP:

You actually publicized a list of donations from people and then had both the nerve AND the utter bad taste to list exactly how much money each person donated??????

Sorry, but that's just horrible.

What if someone who wanted to donate 20 bucks was "tight on cash" that week and could only afford 10 bucks?

What if someone's kid was sick, and they could only afford 5, or nothing at all?

Does that make him or her any less important of a contributor?

Does it mean they would be any less thankful to get a working ICS Rom?

Your "list" SURE makes it seem that way.

**You'd be great in a Church somewhere, perhaps in charge of the "collections plate":

(watches each member of the Church drop their tithings in, and then, all at once, yelling:

"Hey, Fadda!"

"We got another Fivah from dat cheap guy again!"

"I tink he's holdin out on us!"

"You want I should check his pockets?")

Sorry, but you're doing it wrong.

<<work in progress>>
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
Why I have posted pledged donation amounts

Although most of your post is negative and personally insulting,

I will answer your question about WHY names & amounts are posted:

1. I want to be sure for everyone's sake, that I have the correct screen names & amounts

(I'm not perfect and have made a few typos over the past month).

2. After numerous trolls have posted how much they dislike "bounties", how much "bunties" never work

and how people will never pay up, I've posted names and amounts so developers

will know what to expect in donations from each person. When the time comes if someone

doesn't turn out to be "a person of their word" the developer will know

and I will also let the online world know.

3. If you look at the list of names and read my entire OP post you will see that

we value EVERY DOLLAR and people should only pledge whatever you feel is right.

I also added "EVERY person & dollar matters here, SO JOIN US !"

Nobody should pledge more than they will be prepared to donate a month or several months from now

and I will be happy to change any pledge up or down for any donor that simply sends me a message.

So now mazook98, you have a choice. You can either stick with your "horrible" opinion

of what we're trying to do here, you can post more negatives & insults,

or you can do something positive by joining us by providing more incentive

for developers to build our ICS ROM. 100% your choice.

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
To be honest I'm against bounty threads period, but alas they exist. So for one to exist general XDA guidelines are that they must meet the below:

To be opened by somebody on behalf on another person.

The receiver of the bounty must be aware of the bounty thread and must have agreed to it beforehand.

The receiver/developer must have prior history of doing something of a similar nature and have the evidence to back up his/her claims, i.e. have the experience and not just some random from no evidence to prove he can do the task

So far this project meets those - but unless this thread calms down it'll be closed. I spend more time cleaning up in here than all the other forums I moderate. That is unacceptable.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffyv2:
Your response is flawed because this site is based off of people coming to showcase there talents..we were gonna get ics weather you made this thread or not...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
Well said. I couldn't agree more. Personally, I prefer to donate anonymously.

"LOL An update just to say there are no updates is like throwing away old used crack pipes full of residues in a crack house!" - HondaCop
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
I agree 100% with jerdog

Aside from what jerdog says above, I spending more time trying to keep this thread moving forward

than I am on my own businesses. If you don't like what we're doing here,

nobody is forcing you to read anything on this thread.

Why should I have to put up with daily insults and why should jerdog have

to spend so much time policing this thread?

The only rewards I "might" get from all this is the EXACT SAME thing that

all 78 current donors will get: Knowing that developer work has been rewarded

and possibly getting our ICS ROM sooner.

If we shut down this thread, the real losers will be the developers who are

working on an ICS ROM right now. If the list of donor names and amounts disappears,

I will bet that most of those pledged donations would never be made.

So if you support our developers, post something positive on this thread

or add to our pledged donations!

Thank you,

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chris41g:
it doesnt disappear, just means no new post.. people can still see all post, and people can still donate anonymously without pressure or judgement from out side influences..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
i see my box of pop secret is not on the list of donations. why is this?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] weltwon:
Locked vs. Deleting a Thread

Chris: If jerdog or I decide to close this thread, I will ask that it be deleted, not locked. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, especially since our reward may be in the thousands ($2,000+) by the end of the day.

Glenn :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] henbone11:
Except that you have already been advised by someone, who is working with the said devs, that work has basically halted on this rom for the time being. So you are delusional to believe that this thread even has meaning any more. Since your number 1 goal is for the devs to know that you are their number 1 cheerleader, that goal has been achieved. Continuing to amass donation amounts for something that is not even being actively developed is silly. Call me what you will, but its obvious from reading your replies that you completely disregard any post that has any sort of validity and continue forward with your delusions. Time to take the blinders off and realize that no matter what kind of money you try to throw at this, it is not going to expedite the process or the rom.

The reward you will get is waiting like everyone else for this rom...donators or not. It is somehow very silly to keep insinuating that devs will only know appreciation if it comes in the form of a donation. The sense of entitlement that you display on behalf of the donators is also very silly. If you run your business like you run this thread, I dont see how you have anything to donate.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mazook98:
Right:

So let me get this straight:

You're basically saying:

1) If someone doesn't agree with your view of the "bounty system", then they are a "troll".

2) If you have a list, then you'd rather publicize the list than just forward it to the "winning team" because..... (Oh, wait. You didn't offer ANY reason why you wouldn't go this^^^obvious route.)

3) When the ROM is produced, you expect a Developer to go "wait outside someone's e-house" with your list in hand, and say: "Yo, man... About that 10 bucks you promised me back in November.... Yeah, I kinda need to get that from you."

4) If someone doesn't "pay up", then you have deemed yourself the "Proclaimer to the Online World" in reference to attacking someone's trustworthiness.

That is mighty "different" of you to gleefully accept that horrible role.

Look, I said at the beginning of my last post that I don't think that bounties work, but that if you feel they do, then "good luck" and "more power to you".

I said also that it's in very bad taste to post monetary amounts linked to individual users (which it is, and always will be.)

But Just because someone doesn't agree with YOU doesn't mean they're being "negative" about the Development process for ICS. That's the part you don't seem to understand. I want it just as much (if not more) than the next guy, and I "help out" by

1) Staying out of the way.

2) Trying things ON MY OWN, by reading, searching, experimenting with builds, basically all I can do with the limited amount of knowledge that I have, and then, and only then, passing it along to someone who might be able to do more with what I've found.

(So don't for one second imply that I'm not part of the "positive" and am being "negative" in any way, shape, or form, You Holier-than-thou-Douchebag.)

<<work in progress>>
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
fine i will throw in a box of orville redenbacher movie theater popcorn. so that is a TOTAL OF 12 popcorn bags.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] shabbypenguin:
>.> i thought only devs/mods/admins can close threads?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
let the man power-trip in peace.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Lento10:
I don't understand, people don't like the OP or bounties, why spend the time here? Just to criticized?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] henbone11:
yes, just to criticized.

I guess people are just following the tag line in your signature
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
because my bounty is being ignored. every KERNEL counts!!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] graffixnyc:
I will reply to this and leave it alone because it's just nonsense.

Glenn,

I have been keeping up read the thread since the start. I have not said much (if anything before last night/this morning) I never insulted you, I never disrespected you. I think I have been very respectful towards you. When I first posted I came in with very good intentions. I came in to give you guys an update so you werent left in the dark. I did give some criticism about the thread but they were not attacks or insults at all. It was just my opinion on how the thread was going.

You basically replied calling me a troll and saying what I said was "rumors" I then responded with exactly how it went down on IRC and it wasnt until someone else confirmed what I was saying you changed your tune a bit. You didnt apologize, or admit your initial response was wrong. You just blew it off.

You claim to support devs but as you can see, I am a dev but you have shown me a huge lack of respect and dismissed me like I was just a troll and in a way spoke down to me and just dismissed everything I said Why? Because I'm not one that's working on the ICS rom? I'm not, but I can tell you I am close to the project and the devs involved and then when you finally realized you were wrong you still didnt even say "hey ok, I was wrong" another slap in the face of disrespect in my eyes. It seems the only devs you really support are the ones working on this project and the rest of us are trolls that dont know anything. I think you are wrong sir, I'm sorry but I do. You talk about reputations but I'm sure a lot of people on xda who know me (including jerdog) know I'm not known to go around trolling on threads or randomly insult people for no reason

I

have built a pretty good

reputation

because I'm not an ignorant troll and when I'm wrong I will admit 100% I am wrong.

The intention behind the OP is very admirable and as I said very much appreciated but history shows as proof that they rarely work out. If you show me one that has, I'm sure I can show you 100 that havent. I want ICS as much as anyone of you trust me :) I play with ICS everyday on my nexus s 4g and my e4gt is getting jealous.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ethandissi:
want a bag of popcorn? i have kettle and movie theater your choice.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
I am closing this thread. It has become pathetic the amount of trolling and arguing and complaining - you would think this was a thread with a bunch of high school kids if it wasn't for the timestamps saying otherwise.

In addition, after further review this effort falls short of the general XDA guidelines for bounty threads in that it is not for one specific developer, but instead a free-for-all for whomever gets something *done* first, and then that is a subjective nightmare.

And further, the idea of donating to an effort of this sort always leads to further the sense of entitlement which always infects XDA.

All pledges can be considered moot and you may choose to donate to whomever you want to.