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[General Topics] Toss3:
Really? :rolleyes: I am not the one arguing that someone else's first hand experiences can't be valid because someone else says so. I just used that source to prove that there are people who do notice the display even though you claim otherwise. Calling me stupid for arguing that none of your sources are going to change our minds, but if you had read my statement you would have noticed that I said nothing about them changing yours, which renders your argument invalid.

What's more you will also get weird color banding when using a pentile sub matrix. SOURCE

For the record I used both a Nexus One and Galaxy S.

Does not make any difference, as I used a Super AMOLED screen before and noticed the matrix, as did a whole bunch of other people(use the search button if you don't believe me).
[General Topics] sygeek:
So using a source is invalid, but you again used a source to prove your point? WTF? And again wtf to everything after that. What are you even saying?

Anyway, looks like you misunderstood. I'm not talking of the difference between the two technologies. Just that noticing graininess in pentile screens is next to impossible with that resolution in Galaxy Nexus (Note: I'm talking about Galaxy Nexus. Still applicable to other phones).

If you haven't used the phone, and still aren't going to believe a review (from a trusted source) that has used one, well, I don't think if that renders you anything other than...stupid.
[General Topics] gtrab:
Please stop fighting oppinions

I appreciate oppinions (and links)

I'm still trying to find an objective comparison...
[General Topics] Toss3:
You call me stupid, yet fail to comprehend the simplest of refutations.

"Anyway, looks like you misunderstood. I'm not talking of the difference between the two technologies. Just that noticing graininess in pentile screens is next to impossible with that resolution in Galaxy Nexus (Note: I'm talking about Galaxy Nexus. Still applicable to other phones)."

It is next to impossible, but not impossible. See the difference? It all comes down to personal usage. And let me just quote one of your earlier posts:

"You might as well want to elaborate to back yourself.

It’s actually next to impossible to see the dotiness or graininess of the on-screen image, on PenTile smartphones."

Where in that post do you see a reference to the Galaxy Nexus?

"If you haven't used the phone, and still aren't going to believe a review (from a trusted source) that has used one, well, I don't think if that renders you anything other than...stupid."

It is anything but stupid to take reviews with a grain of salt, trusted or not (it is only one person's opinion after all) - blind belief is what constitutes stupidity.

Also I remember people having the same debate about the screens of the Galaxy S and Nexus One, and in the end some people saw it, some people didn't, most review-sites however downplayed the pentile sub pixel arrangement, which turned out to be a problem for me. Thus I am skeptical.

---------- Post added at 11:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:29 PM ----------

Sorry for derailing the thread, but I doubt we'll have objective comparisons until people start playing with these phones for longer periods of time.
[General Topics] sygeek:
I just can't stand noobs going stupid over the internet. I respect opinions, but then going against plain facts in a total unbias way is nothing but spreading misconceptions.

@Toss3: What you're saying renders the whole of the internet false.

I'll just end the argument here, for the sake of xda-developers.
[General Topics] gtrab:
If there's something I've learned during all these years here is

I never argue oppinions;

I just express mine and read the others.

Sometimes I do try to shred light on "lost sheeps",

but even then, oppinions will always be just that: oppinions.
[General Topics] Tatsuya79:
You fail at the internet: you must always state your opinion as being universal.

And never forget to end your posts with "period", "chill" or "suchanooblololz".
[General Topics] onthecouchagain:
Let's have some udon noodle soup, everyone.
[General Topics] gtrab:
Ramen

.....
[General Topics] moses992:
Question , Does the Galaxy S i9000 use Pentile technology in it's display ?
[General Topics] Toss3:
Yes it does.
[General Topics] moses992:
Just wanted to make sure. Now im a 100% sure this whole "pentile sucks" thing was started by blogs and websites wanting to spark up discussions to gain traffic:P , why the hell would anyone care how a screen looks under a friggin microscope ?

The display on my i9000 is one of the best mobile phone displays ive ever seen, and I absolutely love it. Ive never seen pixels or any of that -.- .
[General Topics] ckoadiyn:
It's one of those things once u see it u can't not see it or least once tour told
[General Topics] Persona+:
Okay this is a strange debate for me because I really find most screens to look like crap. I own a droid 2 which I believe is a. Pentile matrix. correct me if I'm wrong; when comparing it to say a zunehd or an iphone 4 I find its picture quality to be top notch.

Looking at the keyboard on my droid 2 as I type and I definitely noticed jagged edges on b's yes and c's but the screen on the galaxy nexus is far higher resolution than my droid 2. That said its pretty unnoticeable I see it but it's not like I would notice it every time I look at my phone.

To recap

high resolution +1

AMOLED +1

Pentile matrix -1

ICS +1

So what's not to love (IMHO).

Trust me d-..-b im from the webs
[General Topics] ckoadiyn:
Lol some people would add a couple other -1s like the gpu/cpu

But me using the EVO atm the gn looks worth the upgrade to me.
[General Topics] TheBiles:
The PenTile screen on my Bionic is god-awful, but I'm looking forward to the Galaxy Nexus. At least SAMOLED screens have pretty colors. I can live with the PenTile there.

--

Sent from my Droid Bionic.
[General Topics] OJ in Compton:
Galaxy Nexus vs. iPhone 4

Even with the pentile, the fonts are still cleaner!
[General Topics] sygeek:
SOURCE.

Please mention the source next time.
[General Topics] Rusty!:
Hopefully it's not that green tinted in normal use though.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Superamoled has good color saturation. That's the end of it.

It has PenTile that's easily viewable for people with good eyesight and suffers burnin worse than any screen I've used.

It's great cause the colors pop, but I'm not sure it was worth it given all the detriments. I have a vibrant. It does have great viewing angles too. Almost forgot that.

I use my devices a lot and when I'm on my vibrant a lot I get ridiculous headaches from looking at that screen. That does not happen with my iPod or HD7.
[General Topics] upichie:
Wasn't there something in the original article about biological differences between people, which in turn effects the usability of pentile displays?

Personally, I have absolutely perfect vision. (In fact, I get comments on it quite frequently, which is surprising in its own regard.) How do you get 'ridiculous headaches' from using this type of screen? I think that's a problem with you, the user, and not the technology. Or maybe you need some advice: when it's pitch black outside, don't leave your brightness on 100%. I have never, ever gotten any ill-effects from looking at a pentile display versus another. Granted, of course, if you stare at a screen for too long, bad things could come—but this happens even on non-pentile displays.
[General Topics] N8ter:
Ask an eye doctor? Maybe it's the checker board effect that causes my eyes to continually try to focus on it because I can see it. In any case. It happens, just like using old low res CRTs for extended times gives me similar headaches. They are more like migraines.

I don't know how people can use a phone like the Samsung focus because this is plainly visible in all the tiles. It makes the screen look cheap, too.
[General Topics] upichie:
Well I've never personally used a Samsung Focus, but I have a pentile screen on my current device (and have used plenty of CRT monitors). The only time I get any eye strain is when I'm using them for 8+ hours, although I'm certain that would be reproducable with nearly any kind of display. I honestly have no idea what people are complaining about with pentiles. And again, I have perfect vision.

I guess I'll just chalk it up to biological differences. With above average vision, I hardly think I'm missing out on something (although, to be honest, it's probably more likely to have eye troubles with displays if your eyes are irregular).
[General Topics] sygeek:
I still use CRTs (at my primary desktop) and I have no problems at all. Everyone who feels this way should get their eyes checked...seriously.
[General Topics] binary110:
First of all, The resolution is 1280x720, but the subpixel arrangement reduces one third the visible points of color.

1280*.66 = 844.8

720*.66 = 479.52

Thus the resolution of the screen is effectively the same as the Galaxy S2.

Secondly, i work in a phone store and get to see just about every phone as it comes out, and i would agree, the samoled pentile is better than the motorola pentile. But Pentile will ALWAYS fail vs non-pentile. My motorola atrix with its qHD resolution looked worse than my girlfriends Desire Z. I blame pentile for this. I can also tell, just by looking at a screen whether it is pentile or not. I pre-ordered my atrix, so I didn't get to see it first, but I basically opened the box and turned it on and went, "DAMN IT!" Two minutes later, checked online to verify it was pentile. Was ready to return it, but they had nothing else that was dual core at the time.
[General Topics] sygeek:
I cracked up at this.

Anyway, we're over this conversation. If that is how you perceive pentile, it is your opinion.
[General Topics] onthecouchagain:
The question for me is how this screen will affect battery life.

Is it the same as the Nexus S where brighter/whiter colors drain more?
[General Topics] N8ter:
My eyes are perfect. Absolutely no issues whatsoever. I do yearly checkups. Maybe you need to get your attitude checked?
[General Topics] upichie:
Did you even read the article?
[General Topics] N8ter:
My response to that comment has nothing to do with any article.

Do you understand that?
[General Topics] onthecouchagain:
Anyone know this?
[General Topics] Rusty!:
Yes, that's the nature of AMOLED.
[General Topics] upichie:
If you had read the article, you would have a reason for why you're seeing something everyone else isn't. Clearly you did not read the article.

And therefore, you probably shouldn't be posting in this thread. ;)
[General Topics] brendanmurphy:
I had a milestone (Droid) with the 854x480 3.7" display and now have my captivate and the milestones display was so sharp. At first I hated the amoled but with voodoo color and sharpness tweaks its way better the the milestones display.

Now the 4.3 inch super amoled+ is bad to me. Way to low of a resolution for my liking and I can see individual pixels. IMO the galaxy s display is better then galaxy s 2
[General Topics] Kailkti:
This thread is a discussion on screens, not an outlet for personal issues. Take it somewhere else.

$1 gets you a reply
[General Topics] kutster:
Thanks for the link, very interesting and good to know. :)
[General Topics] N8ter:
And I was talking about the screens until the troll targeted me. Pay attention.

I read the article. It's non factor since it focuses on hd screens and the ones being sold here are mostly wvga, where the disadvantages of PenTile are plainly obvious. It's obvious even on qHD screens and comparing an Atrix 4g to Atrix 2 displays that easily.

Ciao.
[General Topics] upichie:
Awh, I'm a troll? :(

Where do you live, the past? Welcome to the present, my friend. It's wonderful here. You can't even tell it's PenTile! :p
[General Topics] gtrab:
Only Neo was supposed to see the screen door in the Matrix

I may try flying also
[General Topics] dreadlord369:
Wait are you talking about the Atrix? Or the Galaxy Nexus?

If its the Atrix, I would highly disagree, you can easily see its a pentile matrix (its one of the many reasons I got rid of it, I couldn't not stand it). Certain people might not notice the difference at first (aka the guy sitting next to me with his Bionic) but once I showed him, he definetely saw the issues. I showed him an Inspire, Atrix, Bionic, and Galaxy s2. In order from best to worst screens, he put them as Galaxy S2, Inspire, Bionic, and Atrix.

But if you're talking about the galaxy nexus, then well, we need to wait in order to get legitimate comparisons.

Or if I completely misunderstood your post, then my bad, disregard this:o
[General Topics] sygeek:
No one can :P
[General Topics] upichie:
Nah, you got the point. I was generally referring to the progression of screen resolution, and the soon-to-be if not already unseeable pentile matrix. I usually only deal in the highest-end Android devices. I honestly have never seen an Atrix in person, as dual-cores didn't offer much right off the bat for me (I think that was one of the first dual-cores?). If pentile was once something to worry about, I don't feel it is anymore. Personally, I can't tell with a 800x480 screen. Guess I'm blind. :rolleyes:
[General Topics] OJ in Compton:
The atrix uses a different pentile layout though, one that's definitely worse than what Samsung uses. We'll have to wait until units get in more peoples' hands to see how the galaxy nexus fares.
[General Topics] nikidorian:
Something to point out is that the pentile is supposed to provide better visibility exposed to the sun light,

however I think the better visibility doesn't justify the pixelization.
[General Topics] dreadlord369:
Yea doesn't motorola use rgbw while Samsung uses rgbg? I did compare the atrix with a captivate and I have to admit the captivate did trump the atrix in screen quality by a little bit
[General Topics] upichie:
Interesting! I wasn't aware. And yes, I can't wait to see how the Galaxy Nexus' screen looks. :D
[General Topics] gtrab:
Regarding the RAZR's screen, I think this sums it up

(from gizmodo's review posted yesterday)

"We ragged on the Bionic's screen pretty hard. The RAZR's is a lot better. It's not perfect, but it's better. The new Droid's screen is Super AMOLED Advanced. What does the "Advanced" mean? Seriously, nobody has any idea, which means it's probably just marketing speak. "Advanced" aside, its Super AMOLEDness delivers deep blacks and vivid, accurate colors. There's still some pixilation, though. In fact, it's almost as severe as the Bionic's, but with the increased saturation and straight-up deliciousness, it doesn't draw your attention quite as much. It's certainly not as sharp as the 720p display on the HTC Rezound or the iPhone 4S' Retina, but it certainly won't make your eyes bleed."

Regarding the Galaxian Nexus, well, we will have to wait to "see" how it pentile behaves
[General Topics] N8ter:
My vibrant does have great outdoor visibility. that's the best thing about the screen IMO.

To the person above. The "drawing your attention" is what I was referring to. The pixelation is visible so its like my eyes are constantly trying to focus on it, causing eye strain and headaches. It's like a camera struggling to focus.
[General Topics] R1ptide:
What I don't get is they can obviously do superamoled in an RGB matrix (gs2) so why start Pentile again regardless of everyone's varying opinion? I'm guessing cost
[General Topics] Rusty!:
Nail on the head, PenTile is cheaper.
[General Topics] DisplayGeek:
PenTile = higher resolution.

NO Not true...

Full Disclosure: I am the CEO of Nouvoyance, Inc., the developer of PenTile technology.

No, PenTile is not cheaper. In OLED displays, it allows higher resolutions to be acheived with a given horizontal subpixel density, which is limited to a given maximum based on manufacturing design rules:

PenTile = higher resolution (dpi), period.

The GSII mentioned above is much lower dpi, so it both could be manufactured using RGB Stripe, and was below the recommended minimum dpi for PenTile.

RGB Stripe = lower resolution (dpi), period.

Each layout has its own recommended dpi range which, in OLED, does not overlap much. The dpi on the RAZR is too high for RGB Stripe.
[General Topics] ckoadiyn:
Lies your not the CEO :p
[General Topics] azhaxi:
I can't tell the difference
[General Topics] N8ter:
I'll take a SLCD striped 720p over Super AMOLED, personally. Those screens do have good colors and deep blacks but they come with a lot of caveats including the burnin and image retention and generally bad power management at least on Samsung phones because the auto brightness cl keeps the screen cranked up way too high too often.

I wouldn't take an old TFT LCD though. Personally qHD I'd high enough for me, so I guess i personally have more choice with screens. Im a bit pissed everyone is trying to use Super AMOLED now.
[General Topics] joeearl13:
I haven't encountered any issues with the power management on the Note, fingers crossed Samsung fixed whatever problem you encountered.

But yes image retention and burn-in are real problems with AMOLED displays after a while, although the situation is getting better with each new iteration and you shouldn't really have too much problem with the latest panels.
[General Topics] DisplayGeek:
Are you being ironic or serious? :confused:

Send an email to celliott-at-nouvoyance-dot-com to check if I really am who I say I am? ;)
[General Topics] ckoadiyn:
Idk both there is always people claiming to be people on line so gotta be hesitant. However I also can see why someone would be on a site such as this that has a love for tech assuming thats the reason they are the CEO of a company.
[HTC Sensation] xsardax:
Hi 2 all,

I have strange problem. I'm using my Samsung UE46D5520 LED TV which is connected to my home lan I am streaming photos & music via Connected Media on my HTC Sensation.

It all works great untill I try to stream video.

HD & fHD videos won't stream due to unsupported video codec, but some qHD videos are streamed normally incl. audio stream, and some are not?! All of them are .3gp files, so I don't know what's the catch ... Any ideas? Thnx.
[HTC Sensation] xsardax:
Anyone? It is driving me crazy completely :(

via XDA App on HTC Sensation

EDIT: Well, problem solved. Actually, not solved, but I've found out what's causing it. It's Samsung problem with .3gp.

If you record videos in pretty dark ambient, then there is a great possibility that that video wont be streamed via DLNA. But with lower res in darker ambient, it will work.

Exact difference can't be found, so I just hope that Samsung will release new update for streaming .3gp so it would stream all .3gp videos, not even matter in what ambient they are recorded :)
[HTC Sensation] xsardax:
[SOLVED]

This is SOLVED, hot to put [SOLVED] instead of [Q] in topic subject?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] PresidentMcCain:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/10/ice-cream-sandwich-ported-onto-the-nexus-one/

That means, we can get the Nexus One port to our phones, the beloved HD2!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kajenius:
cant wait to use it on tytungs build
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Atomix86:
Looking forward to it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] VDodi:
Hope we'll celebrate X-mas with ICS on HD2!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
Not sure if I really want this on my HD2 - don't get me wrong but if HD2 will be choppy that was the one of the big reasons I went with HD2 itself and moved away from WinMo 6.5... Now, just to get new stuff I have to deal with choppiness (unless it is customized and tuned up fairly nicely so it is a smooth operator) - then yes... :L)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Urobulos:
Well, it's exciting news, but after reading up on user experience from the hand ons during the event I am in no haste to upgrade. Obviously they still have time to release, it's work in progress and, I think Engadget editors, identified at least 4 different software builds which had different components broken/working.

Any of these ROM's will use that work in progress as their base. I guess what I'm trying to say is even if the port of the ROM is somehow perfect day one (which always takes time), the ROM itself will still be mighty buggy.

On a sidenote, I only joined Android post 2.3 so I can't talk about earlier releases, or whether past history is even relevant, but I somehow doubt that even Google can make the 4.0 ROM anywhere near as stable as 2.3.5 is at the moment. There is still time, though not much, and I'm really doubtful I will even want to use 4.0 as my main ROM. I hope I'm wrong or at least a 4.0.1 will get released within two/three weeks and make ICS reliable.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] PresidentMcCain:
That is why, for now, we can use an ICS theme/reskin for our stable Gingerbread and make it feel almost like the real thing, but without the instability ;)
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] russbbass:
I loaded GtabComb_b3.3_bl1.2 and just finished setting it up.

I pressed the power button to sleep it and it went to an all green-yellow screen.

Holding the power button does nothing. I can wait for the battery to die (just fully charged it) but I am worried it will burn the screen.

Thoughts on:

-- How do I reset it?

-- Why this happened?

BL1.2 and it has CW loaded.
[G Tablet Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rajeevvp:
Open the gTab up and check the cables to the LCD panel.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] slick4mitch:
I turn on the 4G and I know it is working cause I can surf the web and download stuff but when I try to launch the game, once it passes the main screen it says I need an internet connection, what's the deal? Is it just our E4GT with its 4G or other devices too?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
spotify does the same thing...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] poppygt:
I tried to install it today and got force closes when trying to run it. One of the reviewers complained that it wasn't working on his GS2 since they put out a new update. Seems like it's having issues with all the GS2 phones. I had to wait for them to support my Atrix when I switched from my Inspire, hopefully it'll be fixed soon.

Edit: Just dug deeper into the reviews and it looks like a lot of people can only play on wifi now and quite a few said they had force closes on the Epic Touch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] VonLaserface:
Previous to the this weeks patch it worked alright but now it's most certainly broken for a number of devices, not just the GSII family.

Knowing Gloft we'll have a working update sometime by Christmas.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bluefire808:
Go on the internet and download the last version before the update
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] poppygt:
Link?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
it will not let you log in to play without the latest version ......
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] skykc0401:
I cant even PLAY lol freaking FC on me after ****y update
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ipetloudog:
Yea. Try modern combat 2.....oh wait.

Sent from my SPH-D710 Galaxy S II [suck it]
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] icexige:
I'm not sure which version I was playing but I had no issues with either wifi or 3g. Let me check to see if I still have the apk file. I still have it and it's v1.0.3
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Epix4G:
It had me update .... When I said no to update then i tried to log in said I had to update.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] slick4mitch:
Guys, it works fine with the lastest update 1.0.4 if Im not mistaken, my rant is about the game not working by just using our 4G connection, 3G and WiFi works fine.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] VonLaserface:
The market download now works. If you have it and it won't run just delete the game data, uninstall and re-download.

Gameloft customer support actually emailed me (and I imagine anyone else they'd been in contact with about that last patch not working with the E4GT) with a link to download this directly before it hit the market, works just fine.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] slick4mitch:
Von, have you try playing it with just your 4G not using 3G or WiFi? That is my problem.