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[LG Optimus 3D] DevJackey:
hahaha you guys got no patience.

From what's been going on, LG hasn't lied. They first said Gingerbread upgrade will come in September, but that date has been pushed to October/November due to testing reasons. Makes sense. Lots of unexpected stuff can happen during the testing phase. Also testing isn't conducted in just an hour or two. It takes days to fully test the product. If there's any errors, they go fix it up and then test some more. When its stable enough they release it as a beta to a wider audience and then when its considered stable enough for wide use it'll be released to the others.

LG did say October/November, No later than December. Its only mid-October right now.

I know, I know, most of you guys will be commenting about how you've been patient and waited this long but LG hasn't released anything. Probably put in more useless comments about the same thing, but just face it, you're impatient. You buy the phone knowing it'll be upgraded, you see a delay then think "OMG!!! IMBECILES!" Then think, okay fine I'll wait patiently... next week comes, "OMG!!! STILL NO NEWS?!?!" Then at that point, each passing day you get more and more impatient. Probably most of you have made all those pointless remarks about LG giving delayed updates and no longer recommending the phone, but I still find the problem is in you guys, not in LG. They are working on a release and bringing it out after its working properly. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with testing it out extensively. Impatient people will be unhappy about anything that doesn't fit their needs.

Most likely, once we get Gingerbread, there will be complaints about not receiving Ice Cream Sandwich yet. And when there's a delay due to testing purposes there will be more complaints. Feels like lots of the complainers are just ignorant and self-centered. Ignorant because they don't really comprehend what's going on during development phases even if they believe that they do and self-centered because they got the mindset that they cant' have a phone that's behind other people. A superiority complex is hard to fix, good luck.
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
First of all it is everyone's right to complain about anything they like... Then, this thread was created solely to share the info I got regarding that update... Third having a phone that has its battery last even one hour longer (GB generally brings improved battery life) and takes better advantage of the existing chipset has nothing to do with superiority complexes. And last there are those who ***** (according to you) about not getting that update and then there are those (according to me) who ***** about those dudes *****ing... Who has the biggest problem of the two according to you?
[LG Optimus 3D] sbrownla:
Where is that right written? Not trying to flame but the complaints really demean the hard work that devs do.

Complaining does very little. Write a letter to LG. It is okay to vent but I hope you realize that we already have a 3D phone and hard working devs. That is SO cool!!

LG Optimus 3D (T-Mobile/P920)
[LG Optimus 3D] Paran0idAndr0id:
I understand why people are angry with lg. If the software where perfect and everything worked okish until now then i would say get a life u lot but really this fon is as of today a piece of work. Very frustrating. I'm often tempted to throw this against a wall so it can shatter in uber stereoscopic 3D. But really what the **** is LG doin with the software. Although this fon has a really good processor and all and the 3d being great and so my old htc desire just blows the wind out of this fon software wise. Everything becomes a nightmare. Unresponsive and buggy even with the so called custom roms which are not really really custom.

So in this context we need asap the GB RELEASE which will hopefully give the much needed boost to this beastly fon
[LG Optimus 3D] DevJackey:
According to me, obviously the biggest problem comes from the one complaining about not getting the update. Afterall if they would wait more patiently, then it wouldn't bother the people who are like me.

Also, I believe you misread what I said. I never said anything regarding the benefits that Gingerbread will bring. Only on being more patient during the waiting process. Its obviously going to come out and its still within the time frame that LG has announced. There's no use talking bad about a good phone just because an update is delayed or talking bad about a company when they are working hard on making a good product.

Also, I am apologizing if you think my post was targeted at you because you are the topic creator. Just to clarify, I never directed my previous post at you. Instead I was talking about the people who are complaining. You weren't complaining. Instead you just helped us get more information about Gingerbread and no where in any of your post in the thread did it looked like you were complaining in the ways that certain other people are. So just to clarify once again, my apologies if you felt I was talking to you. I'm not.
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
srsly now? People don't have the right to complain about a product they bought with the promise that it will do this or that and the promise was not delivered but other people have the right to complain about them complaining? Their right to complain is the reason why so many consumer protection organisms exist. And if developers over at lg get "frustrated" well they should have done their job better... Hardworking people are guys like TripandRaver for example and all the other great devs over at x10 forums. They created custom 2.2 and 2.3 roms for the x10 alone out of nothing in less time than a whole team of highlly paid devs from lg take to port 2.3 for our phone, having all the drivers and hardware and tech knowledge in their disposal..... So don't try to convince anyone that they are hard-working people... They get paid by the money WE paid lg to buy their product...
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
No need to apologise man, I'm just saying that we are all waiting patiently, but sometimes, some companies are just toying with our patience andwhen they do, we have every right to complain (and you to complain about us complaining of course :p ). And yeah I totally disagree that we should judge the product or the company for that delay only, but ever since they started developing that phone they could have another team (those who developed gb for the lg 2x for example) start developing for our phone as well. I mean they do have more than one dev team if you think that they were developing 2.3 all this time AND giving us all those crappy and mostly needless updates of our current Froyo version...
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
To return to our topic... You wouldn't happen to have some info about the tech support person who told you that would you? Or are you just teasing people here?

Please keep info about the update as reliable as possible or flaming occurs in the end...
[LG Optimus 3D] bioweb:
Seriously, what kind of wonder firmware do you people expect with Gingerbread? What the hell are you missing out on when on Froyo? Dual Core implementations? Besides a few synthetic numbers you'll hardly notice any speed improvements, if any at all. Hardly any apps are multithreaded anyway. GPU rendering of the interface? Dream on, only parts of the interface will be rendered on the GPU with GB, not nearly enough to notice any of it. My interface is very snappy and if you don't like LG's interface, change to another launcher.

Comparing a custom rom for a pretty standard Android phone with pretty generic hardware to a phone with, at the moment, pretty unique hardware and pretty unique functions is unfair. If it would be so easy then why are we still waiting for a stable Cyanogen rom?

What we have at the moment is an incredibly fast phone with 3D capabilities that surpass most people's expectations. We have a dev team that since the official launch of the phone gave us at least two updates, an improved camera, impoved battery life and a 3D converter that was originally promised to be in the GB update. They could have just as easily give us nothing and have us wait for the GB update.

Granted, some people have problems with either stability or battery usage, but those problems may just as well be a faulty device or just too many crap installed or done to it. With no certainty can anyone say that GB will fix the problems those people are having, If you're unhappy, have it serviced because there's no excuse for having a faulty device and LG should deal with that. And as always with any phone or any product for that matter, you'll read more about the few that have problems than the thousands that have absolutely no problem.

My O3D has been rock stable since launch day and has excellent usage (record of 4 days and 18 hours with moderate use, at least a day with heavy use, ****ty usage with 3D applications but that's not an O3D specific problem, even the HTC E3D and Nintendo 3DS have poor battery life when using 3D). I've never had any random reboots and have had it lock up on me to the point of having to remove the battery about three times. Guess what, my Windows pc has rebooted and locked up more in the same period. Hell, even my older Samsung Galaxy S does it sometimes and hey, that one IS on GB...

For the better part of the people that are complaining about being entitled to an update to GB, you're just like little children promised a candy but having to wait for it. Gingerbread will not change your life, complaining about being entitled to an update is just useless because the update is scheduled before the end of the year which is over two months away and *****ing about LG for being a poor company is just foolish. Any of you remember how long we had to wait for a decent Froyo rom for the Galaxy S? Months and months. Is Samsung a ****ty company too then?
[LG Optimus 3D] Meemo23:
I know how i am going to get my gingerbread update simple. Things that i will need.

1. Hammer

2. Siliva

3. Fuel

4. Lighter

First your gonna wanna place the phone on the ground get the hammer and smash it in. Then spit on it and swear at it for being ****. Pour some fuel over it and light it up.

The last step that wasn't involved is to say good riddence and never buy a lg phone ever and wait for the the google prime phone cuz it will be the most supported phone due to it being the next flagship phone.
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
well then if there is no niticeable difference why didnt you buy yourself a pretty generic phone with pretty generic hardware and paid all those money for the o3d? people who buy a ferrari want every little milisec of acceleration available to them and every last km of top speed. else they would buy a fiat. and lastly no one said about wondersoftware. didnt say that gb will double bat life for example. but even if it does give an hour or two more (which i believe it will) then yeah it is a thing that is worth waiting. and if they hadnt promisdd anything no one would be whining here. but they did promise september in the begining and now it is nearly the end of october and for the worst part it is not the fact that they didnt deliver but the fact that they do not respond to their consumer base by giving a bit of info to th people who keep asking. and if they dont give the info because they dont have a clue then according to me a company that is clueless about the product it sells is not a serious company. and last i didnt compare x10 custom firmware with the one on our phone i merely said that for the x10 people made wonders alone so a multimillion dollar company could do things faster and not slower. and no x10 was no geeric easy to handle phone. it was locked up to the teeth and one of the most difficult phones to develop for because of that fact...
[LG Optimus 3D] osariel:
Mate! I am really surprise how little you seem to know about how software dev work although you claim to be developer. For LG to have promised that they will upgrade O3D to GB by september means they have done their home work i.e amounth of time required to do analysis/requirements/development/testing/bug fixing etc using some methodology of some sort, so that even if they deviate from the delivery date, it shouldnt be by much. In the smart phone world, to a consumer a week is a lot, especially when their contemporaries are moving up the revision ladder. It is not as if LG is developing a new OS, they are patching and customising an existing one, so it shouldn't be a big issue.

One of the factors that help people make the decision to go for the phone was because of the september promise. Alot of people would have been put off it if LG had said the phone will not get GB until December. As at the time it was release, it's contemporaries had GB already or atleast rolling it out, so O3D buyers could have reason "Oh well I can wait for a month". No one cares about whether the current OS revision is good enough or not....they just want the latest stuff and best even if the difference is insignificant.

This is the same reason people will go get new versions of phones, it is not as if their immediate old phones cannot do all they require of a phone. Iphone 4 can still do 90% of what Iphone 4s can, but who cares, people still queue up to get it, this is the world in which we live, greed for more. The smart phone market is very competitive, if LG is not able to catch up or indeed be ahead of their competitors, then they will lose their customers, it's as simple as that. If a multinational company such LG makes a promise they should keep to it, or at least come up with an apology and explanation if they can't keep it. We bought the phone with a verbal promise, even though it was not written into our contract. They failed!
[LG Optimus 3D] Urabewe:
Holy crap, those are some long winded replies! Nice to see everyone so passionate for their side. Here is the thing that gets me, can no one that is complaining vehemently see beyond this year? Think about it, yes it sucks that they delayed the release date but, think about how much you would all be pissing and moaning if they released GB and it had major bugs? Think about the fact that a few months of patience means over a year of awesome. You "suffer" soooo much with froyo I know, I know but, they ARE giving us GB and your phone will have more time WITH GB than WITHOUT so if you just stick it out you will be rewarded.

The fact the phone came with froyo sucks but, no offense, everyone is starting to sound like a child that got the green mega man and is now mad because their friend got the red mega man and it came with a gun. Patience people you will be rewarded with GB soon.
[LG Optimus 3D] DevJackey:
I am surprised how quickly you are to judge me. I say it as I've experienced it. Don't tell me you really believe that they could plan everything well enough to know every bug they might come across. Sorry to tell you, but unexpected things does happen and quite often too. Have you seen how often sometimes one guy is stuck on one part and he'll take a few days just to solve that one problem?

Normally, when you get a bug, it can be fixed without it

affecting the release date, but this is not always true. Sometimes, one bug might be too elusive or they discovered a couple that will cause them to understand that they needed an extension of time. Thus the delay.

Basically, if your company is always able to meet deadlines and never had unexpected bugs that took an unexpected time to fix, then congrats, maybe I've worked for a far less capable company or you just work at a far more capable one.

Don't say LG's job of patching and customizing a existing OS should be easy. More difficult than you could imagine because of how easily you might break something. What's worst is how some problems are not in plain sight.

I still stick by my reasoning that LG's delay is acceptable and justified if they bring out a good upgrade.

I believe you seem to misunderstand most consumers besides yourself. Not everyone chases after the latest. Remember the Samsung Galaxy S? I seem to recall the upgrade taking a substantially long time to come out. I seem to remember there were groups of people who pledged to never purchase a Samsung phone again because of that. Yet I noticed some of them are quick to buy the S2.

LG said upgrade in September, there was a delay, now they're asking for one or possibly two months. Much shorter than what some other companies have done.

Be happy with what you have and what you will have. No use in talking bad about a company because you won't see the problem from their eyes.
[LG Optimus 3D] tourjefferson:
Here is what I think (if that matters lol).

I, truly, bought this phone for 2 reasons: 1- 3D features and 2-GB update.

The phone has been released in UK officially on 1st July with LG promising to update the phone in September, so they had the whole month of July, August and September to release the update which didn’t happen.

My opinion is that IF they were planning to release GB that, decision, didn’t happen on the same day that the phone was out in stores, they had that planned a long time before releasing the phone on the market and I don’t believe LG is dumb enough not to put a team working on that update from the moment they decided that they would design this phone and that it would have GB.

Another thing is the fact that GB is almost (if not) a year old already, so LG dev team had plenty of time to play around with it and with the all Optimus range of phones, so they SHOULD be familiar with GB by now.

To be honest, we all here are customers and we want the best service possible, it’s always being like that and it will always be, the customer is always right even when it’s not but, in this case, IMO nobody here is wrong about chasing LG regarding this update. They want what they have been promised to within the timeframe THEY, LG, have said that would happen, they didn’t say that was an estimated month (September), what was estimated was the day within that month.

And as a costumer I don’t care if it’s easier to work with one, two or a whole bunch of devs in the same team I want the job done and done properly and this is the same that LG bosses should be asking they dev department. I have deadlines in my job why can’t they??? and besides we are PAYING for LG products so we are not asking them a favour. Obviously if they haven’t said anything about updating it we couldn’t complain but they did and they gave us dates.

The thing that I think is irritating the people most is the fact that ICS will be released any time soon, so if LG had updated the phone back in September, perhaps we all would have hope that ICS would come to O3D next year but, the way the things are going I, and many people, don’t see the slightest possibility that to happen. This phone will die with GB.

I also agree with the mate that said that the market/customers are greed for the best. It’s true and if LG can’t cope just throw the towel. This phone I will be changing next year in June when my contract finishes and I will be getting a new one that I will probably change the year after and so on.

So if LG can’t keep their customers happy they will just move on to another brand on their first opportunity (this is what I’m going to do for instance) and give a go to see if the next “big brand name” is good!

And we do have to complain and keep pushing them, if we don’t say anything we won’t get anything, you know why? Because if you don’t say something they will be there sitting on their chairs scratching their chin and releasing the updates whatever they want to.
[LG Optimus 3D] scottydoguk:
Forget about GB

Now all this talk about Ginger bread and the lack of updates from LG. GB is old news the update is Ice Cream Sandwich. Think we could all agree on this and start a petition to forgive LG for the lack of support if they bypass gingerbread and give an Ice Cream Sandwich update instead.

all in favour
[LG Optimus 3D] bolinao:
But isn't that what they are doing now with all the people moaning ? You and the rest complaining about it isn't going to make LG threatened at all,they will take their time to make sure its released properly.

Besides i have GB on my other phone and its not much different than Froyo,it aint the life changer most people are expecting...
[LG Optimus 3D] tourjefferson:
LG is taking "their" time to update it not because people are moaning, they didn't updated it yet because they are incompetents and they might not feel threatened now but let them wait and see people not buying their phone any more so perhaps they will start to do some real work.
[LG Optimus 3D] osariel:
Judging you? I addressed your claims; you've assumed and argued on an unsubstantiated excuse that a bug fix is the reason for the delay, that was what I tried to address. Anyway, one thing you seem to be forgetting is this, 2.3 is a version revision to 2.2, the base system has not been re-engineered, just some additions and a few changes, but nothing really big, that is why it is .3 from .2. Since they have the base, then it shouldn't take too long to get 2.3 onboard. This is the reason other manufacturers were able to move to 2.3 without delay. I am not aware of any delay by other manufacturers in rolling out the latest android revisions.

In a firm of the size of LG, the dev division would be well organised, there would be an existing framework or standard to ensure things get done in a timely manner. Codes are designed and written in such a way that they are extensible, reusable, and portable, and also apply proper development methodology such agile, that ensures that the issues are found and dealt as they come, not wait until the end to discover there is a bug and then spend extra time to fix it. And if, IF, there is an unexpected delay, more resources are allocated to make sure issues get resolved ASAP, while keeping the customer properly informed and happy.

What I think has happened is this, O3D sales didn't perform upto scratch, so dev resource has been reallocated to produce a new flagship phone to the market so they can grab reasonable market share, rather than continue to waste resource on a product that is not selling. I might be wrong, but this is the only reasonable explanation I can come up with.

The bug issue claim is absolute rubbish.

Most consumers chase after the latest, it is that greed markets are built on, the fact that people will go for innovation, the very latest in high tech phone. I am happy with what I have, however I am not satisfied with the conduct of LG, simple.
[LG Optimus 3D] Barracuda77777:
I agree with you 100%, you are correct in all your assumptions, Here in Australia LG have been caught with their pants down many time trying to cheat to get sales, around a year ago they found a device in LG fridges that gives more stars for energy efficiency, they got caught and fined and had to pay all the people who bought that model componsation, so I am not surprised at all that they will lie about the update to get the sales, as you said and many others that if we had known that the updates are going to be this slow we would have not bought this phone. This was my First Android, I had Nokia's, and apple phones before this, In the future I will buy a HTC or a Samsung, as they are pretty quick in pushing updates to their Customers.
[LG Optimus 3D] maxld:
I wouldn't be so sure with Samsung. Had the Galaxy S and in Poland never get any update. Just my two cents.
[LG Optimus 3D] Paran0idAndr0id:
Yea Samsung is another candidate with not so regular updates but since the sgs II they try to redeem themselves and more importantly they feel the consumer base about updates.
[LG Optimus 3D] jimakos29:
lol at all this anger here... i created the thread to share info about gb update so anyone having such info is most welcome to post it. Meantime if expressing all this anger here makes you feel any better you can try expresing it by hitting the thank you button hard :D