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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Spl4tt:
gorilla glass may be a marketed hype, but i guess you know that it is indeed really awsome?

i still don't believe that my HD2 has gorilla glass though. i mean, go throw a HD2 against the wall, then throw a galaxy S or galaxy SII against the same wall. you'll see that only the HD2 will break..

i smashed my old galaxy tab against the table once cause a friend didn't belive the power of gorilla glass.. no scratch, no breaking

i definitely think that gorilla glass makes a big difference
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] schriss:
I'm not saying Gorill aGlass doesnt work. I'm saying there are other solutions and I don't really care which brand Samsung chose. I don't believe in marketing hype in general. If Samsung says it's hardened, then that's all I need to know. Like I won't go into details of what exactly ingredients they chose for the back cover, I couldn't care less, even if I knew there was one that was marketed to be oh so great.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Keep in mind that Corning probably has a patent on this technology and that if Samsung chooses to go with a competing product it probably uses a different technology and may not be of the same quality.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] liorra3:
they can do it better. that is reasion they release it with the new nexus (mybe?)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] ralph9994:
They will probably call it Godzilla glass or something.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] akash3656:
Joke of the day (:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pukemon:
Fortified glass? Leave it corporate utopia to add an adjective to make you sleep better at night.

I voided my warranty and your nexus.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] schriss:
This thread just proves why marketing hype works :-) Everybody wants Gorilla on their phone.

I'm glad we are not discussing nand chip makers or the guys behind the microphone used in that phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] liorra3:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ome-type-of-fortified-glass-after-all_id23297

nice one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WpbOoQpwAFs
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] s.m.knipe:
I am sure that if Guy Romain (a Google Engineer) is confident enough to "lock" his GN into the panning stand he fashioned for the time-lapse shot using unpadded battery terminal clamps, it has some sort of pretty darn scratch resistant glass over the screen...

image from:

http://img.popherald.com/2011-images/october/week-3/october-19/google-galaxy-nexus.jpg
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
did anyone find any confirmation about such "fortified glass" and who's the real manufacture if it's actually real?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] s.m.knipe:
Nope (not to my knowledge), but someone over at androidforums.com found a press release today about "Lotus Glass" - Gorilla Glass' successor:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011...+wired/index+(Wired:+Index+3+(Top+Stories+2))

here is a link to the comment:

http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-nexus/431920-gorilla-glass-3.html#post3382586

Still speculation of course though, and the timing seems just a little off. The GN should be finished the first round of production (all the units already in use and demoed, etc.), and this product was just announced today. Although the announcement does say that the glass is under production for use already...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Go to Corning's twitter account, they also confirmed that the GN is not using Lotus Glass.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
i'd find it surprising the real manufacture for the "fortified glass" would not step up and claim achievement for their own product.

probably one of the reason why people like gorilla glass better, as they live up to their reputation :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] -BoneZ-:
Samsung did Tweet that "Instead of Gorilla Glass, we use another kind of fortified glass".

You can see that here:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ome-type-of-fortified-glass-after-all_id23297

And the "fortified glass" they are using could likely be the glass that a joint venture between Samsung and Corning created:

http://www.scp.samsung.com/company/coringcompany.asp

So, the Nexus most definitely

is

getting fortified glass. Just not the "Gorilla Glass" brand name. That makes me very happy to know. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
As far as I can tell Samsung-Corning only makes LCD substrates and CRT glass.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vash1053:
If it uses the same material as the Nexus S, we're fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] player911:
I'm not worried. The Nexus line had great screens. The Gorilla glass is the first phone I owned that gotten scratches.

G2x - 2.3.7 CM7

Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
not quite, there was a lot of problem in the beginning with Nexus S defective screen coating

a lot of people had to take it back to return it for another phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] :
Because it's probably Corning glass without the trademark rights.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] GatorsUF:
What about Dragontrail glass?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
not a chance

too new in the market, it was just unveiled time does not match the mass production release of this phone
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] schriss:
Seen the key scratch test?

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/11/1...survives-key-scratch-test-with-flying-colors/

Again, I don't care if its Gorilla or not.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ray1:
I just read this article, a good eye opener for those craving for ICS

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394929,00.asp

Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right. Compared to the grinding misery of the Android non-update schedule, Microsoft's transition from Windows Phone 7 to Mango is going pretty smoothly.

Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different OEMs and get its software approved by carriers. Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different form factors—phones with physical keyboards and without, for instance.

Yes, Apple gets it right too, but that's a little boring; Apple has only one OEM (itself) and a handful of models, so it's much easier to push out updates to iPhones and iPads.

Earlier this year, Google and its OEMs formed a consortium to pledge to deliver prompt updates, but absolutely zero concrete work has come out of that group. Every single U.S. Windows Phone will update to Mango within weeks. Two-year-old iPhones can get iOS 5. But owners of Android phones and tablets just a few months old have no clue when, or whether their gadgets will get Ice Cream Sandwich (or for that matter, sometimes still even Gingerbread.)

Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset, and doesn't allow manufacturers to skin the OS. I don't want to see Google take on the first requirement, as competition between chip manufacturers has been a major force driving Android's advances. But even if one chipset at a time got Android updates, it would still be a major step forward.

If manufacturer skins are really stopping updates, it may finally be time for Google to find a way to punish OEMs that can't keep up with the pace of change. Google likes to trumpet its openy-ness, but the company has always blessed and punished OEMs by giving or withholding the Android Market and Gmail apps that are necessary to have a decent Android device. Google needs to set a time limit for OEMs to implement changes.

Ice Cream Sandwich looks great. So when can we get it, how can we find apps for it, and how can app developers address the widest variety of Android devices easily? That's what Google needs to answer clearly and concisely.

and it made me think alot.

I'm an android fan, but i feel this author's opinion is quite true.

whats the point of having a good and new OS but its just available on a over priced nexus phone?

android updates are slow (i mean around 6 months or probably never). and silly manufacturers are further delaying it by their custom UI. This is just sad sad news for android.

i better stop reading news about ICS, just to make myself less miserable.

in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Logi_Ca1:
I agree, that's probably the biggest stumbling block of Android. When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.

One thing though, Microsoft controls the hardware specs of WP7 phones very closely. Sure there's differences here and there, but not as far reaching as a Galaxy 3 vs a Galaxy S2.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Archer:
That is true, except for one thing. There is a response.

If you want iOS, you have the choice of black or white. If you want Android then you have the choice of hundreds of different devices. It's a trade-off that I am more than happy with. I prefer choice over regular updates, especially when the OS is already good enough anyway.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] drelite08:
Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Archer:
I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs. Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] svceon:
Sorry but there's no apple fanboy like Joshua Toposlky, he is the only one in the world (sarcasm =P) that can see the bright side of both sides of the war.

Thats why i did say that for a smartphone user, every android version will sufice.

This is almost not noticeable in the android environment because of the OEM's, not google's fault

[EDIT] OMFG! Now this is stupid, this is SO STUPID! Check this out, he makes a table of the new features that the new iOS can do, an compares it to other OS's... so lets start:

Location Based Reminders: Only iOS

Quick Camera Acess: iOS and WP7

Advanced Photo Editing tools: Only iOS

Advanced Voice Commands: Only iOS

My answer to this is: I am not going to open another URL coming from PCmag
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Lennyuk:
The way Android works is that Google do not have that much control over it after the OS is designed, it gets open-sourced then it is down to each individual OEM to build a rom and get their carrier partners to approve it.

Google have deliberately chosen to not do it the more formal way as it will defeat the entire original purpose that android had.

Obviously there is more complicated steps in the process when it comes to the licencing of Gapps....

However google and the other major partners have expressed their wish to reduce fragmentation and move to ICS as soon as possible, but that article was right in that we have not been given any strict words. However any phone currently running android 2.3 and is still getting worked on (i.e. not EOL) should receive an ICS update. I know that samsung are working on very quick timetables and the SGS2 rom should be out very quickly, but based on the past experience companies like HTC may take a very long time.

in WP7 Microsoft give a rom to the OEMS to do very minor tweaks, this is then approved and released.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] drreality:
I think what people are missing

Here guys is the fact that android os is the only open source os out of three three majors!

This means that u don't really need the oems to have latest up to date os version. As we can c clearly in the case of cynogenmod project. Moreover, the android build it's reputation on being the most comprehensive os with most capabilities to consume the most of the hardware. This is a big plus for everybody.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] svceon:
I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Ray1:
I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.

but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.

i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,

2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk

2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.

(i hope i'm not mistaken)

dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] svceon:
Ray1, i'm not upset, don't get me wrong =P i just thought you were saying that you wanted ICS now, and that you were frustraded that you didn't had. i'm only upset by PCMAG by it's acumulated stupidity.

As for the updates, there are a lot of 2.3.4/5 roms in the SGSII development sub-forum, why dont you try to flash one?

Another thing about firmware and OEM's updates:

When i buy a car, i dont expect it to be upgraded when the next generation of engines are released. When i buy a car i bought it because i needed it or i wanted it as it was being sold.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] linkin85:
If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] superdx:
This doesn't make a lot of sense
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] srdjav:
There is no Google talk video call in 2.3.4 nor 2.3.5..
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rachnov55:
the fact that the author wrote "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right" made him lose any ounce of credibility that he had (if he had any to begin with.)

they released WP 7 without half of the proven needs on a smartphone (eg. cut and paste), released an "update" which was basically a primer for your phone to be able to OTA update when the new "patch" was released. and it didn't even adress the issues that had people *****ing about the phone. Mango was promised to be released last year, and it's already october 2011. I got rid of my windows phone within 3 months of buying on.

so what if apple releases iOS 5 to all iphone users? half of them probably doesn't even know what's on the new OS. the other half are still marvelling over siri as some technological breakthrough. it has got to be the most boring OS i've seen. everyone holding an iOS phone/tablet/ipod looks the same as the other person holding it. oh great, you can change the wallpaper...whoopdiedoo...and buy a 200 dollar case for it! wowie.

i was a loyal windows mobile user for many many years, having used them since O2 still manufactured awesome products. I loved it for how much I could customize it to suit how I'd like it to be. I'm not paying 1000 bucks and have the company tell me how I should want it to look. I'm sorry, but a homescreen with 16 icons on it just doesn't look appealing to me. I have been blown away by what the android OS can do.

how ICS release can be bad for android users baffles me. I bet the author was wetting himself when apple launched the white iphone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Aldonski:
This ''issue'' can be avoided by installing CM7. This way your phone is like a nexus and has the latest updates.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Toss3:
Umm this isn't really google's fault by any means; whether or not ICS comes to our devices is up to the manufacturers, and it's is up to us as consumers to let them know that we don't want a customized UI, but standard android instead.

Vote with your wallets and send manufacturers complaint letters and you shall have what you wish for. ;) Just look at the locked boot loaders issue as an example of what can be done when enough people complain and commit to a cause.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Lennyuk:
1) don't rely on Official Roms all the time, plenty of leaks for 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 have surfaced

2) Just because you are not yet on 2.3.4 doesn't mean you won't get ICS, you don't have to go up every single OS step in order...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bsglan:
Again Android liberty. You can pick the OEM. If you want the fastest update buy a nexus. Slower OEMs will sell lesser product in the future. And I didn't get the idea of the article. Is limiting the OSs with resolution and chips a good thing? If so what are we doing here?

Sent from my GT-I9100
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] well0549:
The way it is now, is the best there is.

Slow manufactures will sell less devices (cause once the word get's out, they will sell less devices)

Locked bootloaders are forbidden (The word got out, and manufacturers adapted)

See what is happening........

Motorola and HTC unlocked theur bootloaders.

Motorola / Sony Ericcson stumbled to be the first to announce they would update devices to ICS. Normally this would be HTC ?

So the manufacturers are learning as well.

Once everything is lined up (manufacturers listen to their customers) it will not be a problem anymore.....

Then we will all benefit from the beautifull widget world of Android....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Laird_Attwood:
One thing they do not point out is it's not just

Google>OEMs>Carriers.

They miss out the suppliers and retailers. After working at one of the UK's largest and dealing with software accreditation.

The suppliers also have to deal with manufactures and networks (carriers) to get handset software approved for use on the network/go ahead for the retailer to sell the devices.

Different suppliers/retailers can be accredited to sell handsets on different SW version. This more affects the SW at point of sale but it has to be taken in to account as the general system for SW and updates. Handsets sold by the supplier into the retail chain will be traceable and until the network is happy they may restrict that suppliers handsets being updated - trackable via IMEI and other Serials.

They should follow apple a little more and restrict networks involvement in SW, remove customisation and have minimal settings. This way it's easier to sort the updates and get them out more prompt as there is less messing about and less the networks can stall with getting the update approved. (been known for a network to reject their custom software as the long press of #1 key not set up to their voicemail number)

Manufactures may drag their heals in starting the updates but IMO the networks (carriers) are the ones to blame for such a slow up take on latest sw versions.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] svceon:
Although i agree with most of what you said, following apple regarding the removal of customisation might bring another problem to OEMs. One of HTC's selling point is Sense, Samsung is Touchwiz and so on. I do not like them, but there are a lot of people asking for sense in all dev forums, and starting to show some Touchwiz desires...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] well0549:
Yes selling point of HTC = Sense and now maybe Beats,

Selling point of Samsung = AMOLED

Selling point Sony = Play....

So you see a switch from their completely customized UI's to more unique selling points.

(Once I got a HTC desire i was sure i would never have a phone without amoled)

This is a good thing. And Sense is maybe a bit more complicated but TouchWiz is nothing more than a launcher.....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ezerivas:
i totally agree with you....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] pulser_g2:
Having seen this process more than enough from the inside perspective...

1. Blame stupid US carriers. They are expected to pay for major OS updates, which is fair enough. But they are reluctant to do so as they might have to spend money...

2. Blame Google for not being stricter on devices. Sure, anyone can use Android. But there is a process for getting approval to use certain things like market and gmail/Gapps.

3. Blame the consumer for encouraging proprietary overlays on devices like sense. These delay updates.

4. Blame Google for not forcing faster updates out the manufacturers. You need market to effectively sell a handset. So start to clamp down on **** devices, like 240x320 screens, and start to get manufacturers to compete with aesthetics and internal performance, rather than stupid ui changes. Punish companies that are too slow to bring upgrades. 2 weeks from date of the flagship device is reasonable, given manufacturers have early access to source. Sting them for every day they go over, and they will start to stick to deadline. The programmers are paid to do this. So it's reasonable...

The whole thing is a loop. Follow the above through... The blame lies on all parties including you. But ultimately, I could design Android to remain open, but still be updateable via a core update from google. But consumers have to accept if they want constant, rapid updates, they need to forego things like sense and Touchwiz, unless they can be encapsulated into a few regular apk files.

You could then globally update devices in batches with core updates, while permitting manufacturers to update radio and hardware things like drivers... You have seen that CM can use buildbot to make roms for over 40 devices by various manufacturers with totally different hardware.

With collaboration this is easily possible. Manufacturer submits their manifest for device and any non standard drivers. Then add to overlay and it gets constant updates.

Heck, imagine being able to choose the update stream of your phone like you can with Chrome? Fancy some betas? Just pop to system settings...

Anyway it would all be lovely, but it likely will never happen. Why? Money. Greedy carriers, lazy networks... Google need to get back in control here, and move every device into a central codebase. Manufacturers should be cooperating, since their software will be identical - let the hardware, design and build quality differentiate between them.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] atulalvenkar:
OEM's prefer Android over WP7 is due to the fact that they can customize android for their needs.If Google started heavily directing OEM product line-ups OEM's might completely stop android and go to WP7 or something inhouse like Bada.

There is no easy way out of this. I expect manufacturers to give me major upgrades as long as the hardware supports, but i can't expect them to release every point upgrade for all models.I would love if they do but seriously s/w development is not cheap and that too when you aren't making any extra money. What they can do on the other hand is charge for major upgrades, like Apple used to do for ipod earlier. Small amount maybe $10 or so.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Archer:
I buy my PC - the hardware.

I buy my OS - the software.

I do not expect to get a new version of Windows when it comes out, without paying for it, and even then my hardware may need upgrading before it will run.

I hate the way people EXPECT something for nothing. You bought your phone with what was on it at the time. Anything other than that is a bonus and anyone who disagrees really needs to take a good long look at their priorities in life, because this is a phone OS and we're only talking about waiting x months to get it.

This is not food that will stop a starving child from dying, or a heart that will be transplanted into someone so that they may continue to enjoy life with their friends and families.

I'm getting seriously sick of the "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude on this forum. It's a phone. Get over it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] yulaws:
I 2nd to that. I wonder how much apple pays these guys to talk so much bullsh*t lol. All i could sense was an all-in-all ifaniboy :p