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[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Speaktoit virtual assistant on android has been out much longer than siri and works just as well imo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Siri is superior to WP7's voice recognition.

You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but it hears you better than any WP7 ever will and will keep hearing you better unless something was wrong with the microphone on the iPhone you tried (HW defect, or something).

But seriously, anyone on this forum would expect you to say what you did, even though it is 100% provable as false.

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Another person who doesn't understand what Siri does.

It isn't just about speaking to the phone. It's integrated deep as hell into the stock iOS experience, so it allows deeper control of the device than the average speech recognition system.

Now I'm just repeating myself.

Lol @ SpeakToIt, though... Vlingo is the best Virtual Assistent for Android, Blackberry, and iPhones without Siri.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
did you try it?

You can open apps, play songs, ask it math questions or chat with it, etc..

I bet you'vee never even tried it.

Carry on with the pompous attitude though.

Everyone on here knows not to take you seriously
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
Just to add to this IM4+ does almost all the chats + more then trillian. Aim is in it, ICQ, Yahoo,Google even facebook if you don't like the integrated and skype (although not video)

As for voice. Say to windows phone find how much wood can a wood chuck chuck and it will give you the same answer as Siri + bing results. it just doesn't read them to you. It does very well for texting (although not as well for puctuation) and facebook. Just no email support yet and appointment. I do like my i'm late button though because if i'm late for a meeting it will update all attendies.

Here is something iphone can't do with exchange. Open a meeting note and edit it. My windows phone can but my CEO's iphone cannot. irrates the crap out of her lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovenokia:
i have tried an iphone 4s a sgs2 and my samsung focus in one of these tests and teh most accurate one was google when it came to recognizing the texts properly
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I wouldn't waste your breath..

He has the whole world figured out, and can tell you all about it too.

You know his type lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
some siri testing vs Window Phone 7

I asked them both for directions to my parents house.

Siri found them pretty much instantly.

Windows Phone 7 found the property in a web search, but no directions.

It was pretty cool how fast Siri got it.

Both processed my voice correctly.

But only Siri actually used my location correctly to get me directions.

It is impressive. But I still don't see myself using it very often.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
When doing directions for windows phone, when the web search comes up, right above "web" there should be a map. click it. That takes you to bing maps showing where it is (And where you are BY LOCATION) then click the arrow if you want directions (or local scout if you want to find stores near there). it doesn't just do web searches. it gives you many options. it also tells you if it's cloudy there under the description. (just noticed that, i think that is new)

yes Siri may take you to the directions, but Windows phone gives you more options ;) and apple as far as i know doesn't have turn by turn built in does it with voice nav.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, I've tried it. I've tried most of them. In the end I just bought Vlingo cause it's the best solution on Android ($1.99 to remove the Ads). That other stuff is crap and the speech recognition accuracy is not good.

For the sake of not being doubted about this easy to find information:

http://www.google.com/mobile/voice-actions/

Opening Apps, Playing Music, And even asking it trivial math questions (which it returns as the top search result) is easy. It's not like any of these will perform Calculus for you, or even complex Algebra for that matter.

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What did you use on the Galaxy S? The Home button double click is Vlingo, not Google.

Vlingo is much better than both Google and TellMe. That's why Samsung baked it into TouchWiz 4.0 (Galaxy S II) and Motorola pre-loads it on some of their smartphones (like the Atrix 4G, for example). It's more accurate, and it does more.

And it's not on par with Nuance for speech recognition. Siri doesn't do its own speech recognition, it just processes the phrases. Apple uses Nuance for that.

So unless you're trying to tell me Google or Vlingo is superior to Nuance for speech recognition tech (which they almost own...), I don't know what else to say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
WP doesn't have built in voice-guided T-B-T, even with Mango. (TAP-by-turn is NOT Turn-by-turn)
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
So then n8ter give an example of these amazing things siri can do that speaktoit can't..

I'm intrigued to hear it
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Command: Wake me up tomorrow morning at 7:30.

Response: Sorry, I can't find a compatible alarm clock. Do you want to download one from the market.

Then suggests Alarm Clock Plus... ...

I already said the deep system integration was a particular strong point for Siri. Because of that you can tell Siri things like "Remind me to pick up some eggs from the grocery store when I leave work." and it will set a location based reminder - flawlessly.

Command: Schedule a meeting tomorrow for 12 pm

Response: I bet you're looking forward to that...

...

Doesn't do anything else... At all..

I can go on all day. Should I? Plus it uses Google Voice recognition, which is not as accurate as Vlingo or Nuance especially.

Speaktoit is a toy. Siri is a tool. That's the difference. One is useful, the other serves no purpose and has a terrible synthesized voice to boot.

Lol.

Me: Did you schedule the meeting?

Google Recognizes: "pizza schedule a meeting."

Speaktoit replies: I can look up some local restaurants for you.

If Siri is unsure of what you said it will ask you to clarify before presenting a result most times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I used speaktoit and found it very accurate..

Try setting your language to English generic..

It seemed to work for me great, I had none of the issues you had.

I don't see how something that has the same features is a toy while the other is a tool lol

Seems like a case of the iFanboy to me
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
It doesn't matter which phone is charging more for such a small amount of extra space. $100 just for that little extra space is bad, even if all phone makers do it.

Well, I sync over the air with exchange on both my Quantum and my iPhone. I added a task on the Windows Phone and it was instantly on the iPhone.

Go to Calendar. Select To Do Tab. Tap the Circle with the Plus in it.

On the Account drop down, pick Tasks-Outlook.

When done filling in the info, Tap the circle with a disk in it to save it.

Done. It syncs with Exchange and then the iPhone syncs with exchange.

Pretty simple to figure out.

The link you provided even says that it is in there and useful. Now I am starting to question whether you have reading comprehension issues.

I have not synced outlook that way with any account since 2008. That is completely unneeded now and in the future. WiFi and data plans are here today. They aren't going away soon. Over the air is here to stay.

Again with the reading comprehension. I did mention it was not there.

That is great that you can get that with any carrier after unlocking. With AT&T, 4G is only in a handful of cities. Its $350 to buy out your contract. Not an option for anyone on a corporate plan.

They also did not release one for VGA or WVGA Windows Mobile, but anyone that wanted it had it.

Only interested in apps that do not have a way to accomplish the same task on Windows Phone.

Buy some songs. Shuffle play. You can even play the songs with no network available then.

Windows Phone 7 provides unlimited cloud space for pictures. iCloud only 5 GB.

Just a few posts back someone referenced an app that does all that. I haven't tried it yet. People that want to communicate with me can and will. No one is using my choice of chat as an excuse not to.

The problem there lies with the programmers of Glympse not handling background process execution. I have just tried both the iPhone and the Windows Phone 7. It does have a setting to run under the lock screen. As far as I know, it does not send when it is in the background. Since it does not appear under settings background tasks, advanced, I assume it is not running in the background.

I have used Glympse before with Windows Mobile, but I never found an actual real use for it.

So, potential Windows Phone 7 users. Glympse won't work well or as well for you with Windows Phone 7. Is that a huge deal for most? Probably not. Curious about any practical use of the app anyway. An app that lets someone else track you???
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Cool. Saying just the address, instead of directions to address works great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Well, it appears that I need to retract my earlier "bravo"...

It does matter if you single out one platform as being bad in comparison to another, when both are equally "bad". That smacks of hypocrisy.

As for the rest of your post, it comes across as dismissive and condescending. You cite your own needs and wants as proof of what is or is not useful for the platform as a whole. For example, you don't want or need Glympse? That's fine. Does that mean that there is no "practical use of the app" for other users? Not even close to the truth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, seems like a case of your app suggestion is terrible and now you're taking it to personal insults in an attempt to salvage. I'm not interested in flamewarfare with you, sir.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
its not terrible, you just ignore anything that disproves your self serving bias
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Applications cannot do that on WP7 because WP7 does not allow GPS and background services to run that way. Background tasks only run at max twice an hour and even they get shut down if they run too long, for example.

Knowing a little about how the platform works under the hood would really help you understand these issues.

No app on WP7 can do what Glympse needs to do to run on parity with the Android application, no matter how great the developers are. They clearly state the reason in their Marketplace listing:

Which means while the person sitting on the train across from me is playing Angry Birds on his iOS or Android device while Glympsing in the background, I have to sit there with my thumb up my but if I'm carrying just my HD7 because the app will cease to function if it's backgrounded... So much for multi-tasking...

Glypse for iPhone:

Difference is iOS supports those background services, WP7 simply doesn't - at least not for 3rd party applications.

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That app is terrible compared to Siri. That's not bias. I don't even use an iPhone as my daily driver or even my backup, but I have like 10 friends I'm around every day they use the hell out of theirs and I've used them extensively both from friends and in the carrier store.

You wanting that terrible app to somehow be on par with Siri won't change the fact that it's complete ass.

I have an Android and WP7 device too. You were acting like I couldn't just reinstall it and test it or something...

I can always just upload a YouTube video... And you don't think I checked the settings? Even Siri has a language Settings to set what language and/or accent/dialect to expect...
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
I've used both as well, I just traded my android phone for this one..

You just don't want to admit anything can be as good as your precious iPhone, though it easily is.

Congrats on being the most pretentious person on these forums!

Bravo
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I don't own an iPhone. I own an iTouch, but with about 10 people constantly using iPhones and being able to use it a lot due to that I have a pretty good feel for Siri's capabilities. My sister and niece also have iPhones.

I have a Vibrant, HD7, and iTouch 4.

Nice ASSumption, though!

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BTW, since you're clueless about what Glympse does, I'll explain it quickly.

It's an app that allows you to allow someone to track you, on your demand. It gives them ETA and optionally can tell them what speed you're traveling at. Instead of texting them "I'm on my way." you can just Glympse them. Instead of calling them in the car, they can just view your Glympse and see where you are. You can send Glympses by SMS and email, and they don't even need the app to view it, they can even view it on a desktop PC, Tablet, or Laptop.

You share it for the amount of time you tell the app, can cancel it at any time, and can set it to automatically cancel when you arrive at your destination (or prompt you for an action). It's very useful, especially since it doesn't even require an account creation, or any of your personal information...

The Microsoft "We're In" app that was touted as cool and useful on this very forum is a bit of a knock off of Glympse.

I find it very very useful. I just moved to a new city and I've already had someone call my cell to tell me I was going the wrong way because they seen it on Glympse.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I don't recall singling out any one platform as bad with regard to the cost for additional space. If it were $100 more for an LG Quantum with 32 GB, I would not have paid it. If it were the cost of a 32 GB SD card, I might consider. A class 10 32 GB SD card that does 20 MB/sec is about $40 at Best Buy right now. And that is not a Black Friday sale.

I didn't say, "Kind of crazy for Apple to charge ..."

Regarding Glympse.

I was honestly asking for a practical use of Glypse. I played with it before on Windows Mobile 6.5. I thought it was kind of neat. Hell, back then, after getting it from the marketplace, I even made a cab to install it, so I could easily reapply it after flashing new ROMs. But I never used the app for any real purpose.

With Maps on Windows Phone 7, you can press on the map and share your location. No app necessary.

I can acknowledge that there may be a practical reason to constantly make your location known to people. If that is a deal breaker, then Windows Phone 7 is not for you. Personally, I think it falls in the category of most things on the phones. Fun to play with.

Any condescention in my post that you replied to can be attributed to who I was replying to. I know you read his posts. So I know you know that the majority of his posts are more condescending. Just read his last post in this thread. You seem very forgiving of his attitude in the forum though.

Mixed in his condescention, there was a practical use. Although it is replacing 1 illegal activity with another. Unless of course the user is the passenger. I suppose you could send your glympse before you are on the road. Usually, for arrivals, I just call when Tom Tom says I am about 10 minutes away. GPS should keep you from going the wrong way.

I actually do like the iPhone 4GS. It is a well made phone. It has a consistent user interface. The apps do work well. They are priced cheaper. But I have not found anything on it that I can now do and want to do that I could not do with my Quantum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Well I guess that is a personal choice of where to put your thumb.

But seriously.

Instead of a background process, I am thinking it could be solved with scheduled updates.

I am hoping that additional classes can be created from the ScheduledNotification class, which Alarm and Reminder both inherit from. They both provide different User Interfaces, so I would think a different one with no user interface could be written. This would allow Glympse or any other app to schedule a series of events for when this would be updated.

Hopefully Microsofts implementation of the ScheduledNotification class is not what is responsible for the launching of the user interface. And in the new derived class, code could be added to do the work, instead of launching the user interface.

I have noticed that apps, such as SuperTimer which just use the Alarm class do not cause other apps, such as Angry Birds to quit. But it isn't doing any deep linking into the apps, like the Reminder class can do. It would be annoying if other apps would be interrupted every minute or even 5 minutes.

I do think that Microsoft should give the option to let the user pick apps to run in the background. Or at the very least allow the execution frequency for Background processes to configurable on a per application basis. At the very least allow this to be settable for a period of time.

I can acknowledge that some background processing should be allowed and the frequency should be configurable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I just don't understand N8ter, I really don't, you'd figure that somebody who attempts to prove that he has so much going for him would quit posting the same crap in every thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's not comparison. Glympse shares your location in real time. It's not the same as sending your location. You can do that in IM applications like ChatOn and BeeJive. The benefit of Glympse is that it does it in real time and doesn't require the user to have it installed.

If I send someone my location that tells them nothing about what time I'm going to be, which route I'm taking, and things like that.

There is no illegal activity. You're sending them the Glympse and thus concenting to the tracking of your location by the user at the other end. Also, you don't use it while you're in the car. You send the Glympse before you start driving, and it tracks you in the car while your phone is in a holster or something.

With Glympse there's on need to call. Why are you still trying to be argumentative about this? Lol.

FiyaFleye, I think I can say the same about you. Keep reporting, buddy :)

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Background tasks can only run once per 30 minutes. If I'm 15 minutes away and Glympse someone, with your scenario they'll never get an update. It defeats the purpose. They just need to allow apps to run as a service in the background and utilize GPS data, like Apple does in a similar OS without full multi-tasking...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Apparently you didn't read, but only responded.

The illegal activity would be texting or sending it while driving. In my post I said you could send it before driving. I also mentioned about it continuously tracking.

Background Tasks run every 30 minutes. That is true. But using the ScheduledNotification class allows you to run something at any scheduled time. So, instead of needing the process to exist and run continuously for 30 minutes, it could be schedule it to start in 5 minutes, do work, end, then 5 minutes later start, do work, end, etc.

It's a way to get around the limitation. Microsoft provides 2 classes that derive from it. Alarm and Reminder. Neither will work because they both have a user interface that launches. But if a new class was created that derived from ScheduledNotification that did not have a UI, developers might be able to do background processing at any scheduled time that we want.

That was in my last post, so it will probably go right over your head in this post as well.

Just so we're clear. Any dev can create a class that derives from ScheduledNotification. Otherwise, neither the Alarm or Reminder class could exist.

I am fine with them being less restrictive and I'll even go as far as saying that Apple handles this better. But, in the mean time there are options for the devs of Glympse to investigate. Even the Reminder class could be used right now to get them into the app with deep linking. The only problem is that it would interupt the current foreground app, so you would not want it to update too frequently.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
My bad. I got the impression from one of your exchanges with N8ter that you had singled them out in that way.

No, I am not more forgiving of him. He is what he is. But I suppose I do expect a higher level of professionalism from a recognized developer (and one who clearly has a sound working knowledge of WP APIs and class definitions). Responding in kind to another's condescension may offer personal satisfaction, but it diminishes your own position in a debate.

I freely admit that I was mostly clueless about Glympse's capabilities on the iPhone until reading this thread. Did I feel condescended to on that point? Not really. I actually felt informed.

But, as to your argument of replacing one illegal activity with another, that would only be the case if one were forced to use the SMS or email functions of Glympse, which are clearly not it's primary intended purpose. Starting a background task that automatically provides updates requires no illegality at all, whereas calling from your phone (while driving) does in many locations.

And that is perfectly fine. But at the same time, it would only make sense to acknowledge that for some (and probably many) people, there will be circumstances that make the iPhone a much better fit, at least right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
For many, the iPhone is a better choice today. And for many Windows Phone 7 is a better choice.

And, I was serious when I said that for users that find Glypse to be important, then Windows Phone 7 is not the right choice.

Just like I can do everything that I want to on Windows Phone 7, I can also do everything that I want to with my iPhone.

By that, I am not saying either will be true for all users or all scenerios.

In any case, I would not jump ship from Windows Phone 7 just to get an iPhone 4S, if all my needs were being met by Windows Phone 7. Not enough of a benefit.

I had a Tilt 2 and I was planning to go with Android as my next phone.

I only have an LG Quantum because insurance gave that to me when my Tilt 2 stopped working.

I only have an iPhone because work bought them for us.

I was impressed with the Quantum. The iPhone is pretty much what I expected.

As it is both phones have pleasantly surprised me.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ScottSUmmers:
Haha are you kidding, that's exactly the type of person that would post! You just gotta take it in stride and laugh at him like me. I personally always find it hilarious when he gets in a huff and things unravel into a pissing contest. This new "relaxed" approach of his makes for a decent change on things, but still the same N8ter. :D

As for the OP, only time will tell to see what MS can offer users to combat Siri. I'm curious to know how the development of Tell Me is going, especially the promo vid they made showing their hopes for the tech.

Then again it may not necessarily have to be a head to head competition in terms of pure voice capabilities. Maybe making OS more "aware" of a user's habits maybe enough to hold the line.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
I know where your going but, I use the voice features of texting every day, in the car, in my office.

I've played with the rest of the voice features, meh, I never use them.

A Siri type app that will enter calander entries would interest me tho...I think I would use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
That's actually the only thing my friends use Siri for nowadays.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
necessary for head-to-head in what ways ? to sell phones, or 'me too' match of capabilities ?

there is no reason why microsoft couldn't license Siri tech from apple and just 'me too', but it would be considered lame, and not so innovative. sure, apple bought the tech, but they highlighted it in a way that made it interesting and useful.