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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
4 million in 3 days is freaking amazing.

The biggest let down around here, has become the highest selling.

Remember we don't need dual cores, stupid app launcher OS, and only one device with a small screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
It is impressive, but not unexpected. Now that Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T all have the iPhone, it's a guaranteed record breaker.

In all honesty though, who really cares? I prefer to have what I think is best for me. I do not care what anyone else thinks of my phone. I do go through phones quickly because I am addicted to technology and just like to keep up with it. I would never buy a phone so that I can prove to the world how cool I am.

I think Siri is great technology (even if Apple didn't really develop it). I also know that it is something I would only use when trying to impress others. I am not one to broadcast what I am doing on my phone out loud. There are few scenarios where voice control would appeal to me. But, this technology is important and needs to continue developing and improving.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kevyn82:
I tried Siri in my natural language (Italian) and it couldn't even place a phone call or open an application. I didn't read any manual about it, but it tried saying phrases like "Call <Name>" or "text <someone>" or "open mail" or "search for <thing>". And it never worked!

Never had such problem with WP7.5, except for once when I tried to "search for GLEE" and it opened Bing searching for "teen ass" :-/
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You're kidding, right?

Can you schedule an appointment or set a location-specific reminder with WP7's voice commands?

Sure, WP7 can find a few things on Bing searches, but that is only a small part of Siri. It is integrated into the OS on a much deeper level than Tellme, and can do a lot more. They are not fairly equal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
No, sir. I'm not kidding. Fairly equal doesn't mean exactly equal. Siri can do a few more things than WP can do as I stated. But, having watched/listened to the tech firsthand, it doesn't do a ton more than WP does. I'm not saying it isn't better I'm just saying it isn't overwhelmingly superior as some believe.

My post above was anecdotal and not really a comparison of which was better. It was more me dwelling on the humorous things that both of the services came up with when asked to do certain tasks. Siri may have more commands but it's understanding of what a user is saying doesn't really surpass WP per se.

But, just for you, Robodad ;)... when I go back to work tomorrow, I'll play with it some more and see if we missed something. Although, she had me playing a game of Words with Friends against her brother-in-law. So, Siri experimentation might take a backseat.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
I played with both, there is no comparison.

Also, day to day usage is a big plus, as far as voice commands go. Its possible to navigate to a friends house, txt them you're on the way, and check traffic without much hassle. Pretty badass from a phone.

Where's that speach to text video that was so laughable not long ago....
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
That's why i love Bing/TellMe/windows phone, it knows what i want :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
LOL! :p

Try to say "Sh!t" and WP7 give you nothing but symbols... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They should really promote voice command with voice guided navigation. The iPhone just shows a route.

That would really piss a ton of people off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Can Siri read text messages out to you, no? At least not without pushing a button. I think that's one of the most important things for voice because I tend to text and drive a lot. Yet the shiny brand new iphone 4s can't even do it, not to mention it's tiny 3.5" screen........!

Also getting reports that it fails to connect to the network a lot and the iphone 4s battery is getting drained REALLY QUICK. PEOPLE, ITS NOT ALL GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
It's not that green over here to begin with, fanboy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
This is a myth; you're not "cool" or "special" if you own an IPhone, as everyone now owns them! It sells well because users are happy with the hardware and with IOS. Plus Apple adverts do make their phones look sexy and desirable (something Microsoft could learn from).

Siri doesn't support Italian, so of course it doesn't work! Only works with French, German and English (UK, US and Aus accents).

Have you even watching the Apple Siri promo vid? 5 seconds in Siri reads a text message to a jogger. At 1:00 minute mark Siri reads a text message to a blind girl with no button press:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNsrl86inpo
[Windows Phone 7 General] Klikerko:
OMG! I better go and buy one now. This is so emotional! Thank you for sharing this video. Last year they had deaf people to market face time and this year it's blind girl and Siri... Awwww... I can't wait for the next year to see whats next disease Apple is going to cure.

PS: Here's a timeline for you. At 1 seconds YAAAAAAAWNNNNNNNNN
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
I would prefer the name "FanMan" but since we're handing out silly names what does that make the millions of iphone4 users that replaced their iphone4 with an iphone4S even though it wasn't upgrade time on their contract, just to have this Siri capability, dual core CPU, and to say they have the latest iPhone? I would call that "iNaive"

What is the definition of iNaive you may ask? That would be a person that will purchase anything made by Apple that has a lower case i in front of the name....

And to your second point about being not so green, it doesn't take a "FanMan" to say that isn't the case...... There are several things my phone does better than an iphone4s. OK you want to know, number 1 it has a better user interface, numbers 2 it has a freakin back button, number three my screen is larger and a HELL of a lot brighter and sharper, number 4 it has better exchange and sharepoint server support, number5 it had a better browser although with ios5 that may not be the case anymore, not sure.... and I'm looking forward to adding to this list such as LTE network capability when new hardware is released soon, also the skype integration promised is going to be really nice, and also the integration of the windows platform as a whole. The ability to manage your windows phone 8 via a group policy object in active directory users and computers would be a home run for the enterprise......
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
When you start acting like a man, you will be treated as one. As for the remainder of your childish rant, well, it isn't even worth quoting. It would have to contain some grain of truth to deserve that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Dude, I'm much more a man than you'll ever be. You'd only need to take a look at my model wife. Beautiful women like that don't marry "boys".

And since you can't add anything valid to the argument, I would call you a loser.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Too bad this forum doesn't have an rotfl smilie, because I would have used it just now. That post gave me a good laugh. Such a clueless boy. Welcome to the land of ignore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
The rest of your list is pretty subjective, but this is just plain wrong. Exchange support for WP7 is extremely limited (compared to IPhone, android and Blackberry):

See my post about it here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=18189261&postcount=63

See users with problems connecting to Exchange here:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=e...s.microsoft.com+exchange+wp7&biw=1280&bih=709

Unsure about sharepoint, though I know there are numerous SP clients for Android and IOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Oh my God! Quote of the year (not a compliment).
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
LOL, nice quote...however,I'm more interested on seeing how is a boy's model wife...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Epic FAIL

Omg omg r u tom cruise ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheus1982:
LOL. I wonder if your wife saw this post if she would still consider being married to you. Come on man, are you 12? You effectively just reduced the women in your life to a nice, shiny object of desire...an iWife.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
LOL, this post just made my day...
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
So I had another one of my employees all ready to get the Focus S. He went and played with the 4S and the Focus S. He really liked the Focus S but he said he will probably still get the 4S. His own words said that in a few years WP will be taking over, he also mentioned that the Focus S was faster loading web pages and was smooth. :D. I dont fault him for at least considering WP other than some people that dont have a justification for not even getting the device and not try it out for themselves. It seems like everybody at my job is jumping over to the 4S, following the fad I guess. The guy also mentioned he really likes Siri, guess that was iOS' sale point.

But in other news, my wifes next device will be a WP, also will be converting my dad and cousin over to WP. My cousin only buys Nokia phones so he is waiting ona flag ship device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
I admit i have not yet read the rest of this thread BUT he thought an iPhone 3g was good???? i am to assume this was pre update? I have a 3g and not even comapreing it to anything i actually want to throw it at a wall and i got that for free from work.

I agree though that people should not make assumptions on one bit of dodgy hardware as you said all phones will have a story somewhere of how they had big issues. I dont get the returns being high mind, everyone i know who has one loves it and so do a load of people i show it to. Prob cos they go online to say hay check out my windows phone and trolls jump on them telling them that its bad and evil and wont do what they need it to. When the reality is it was probably the best phone for them and now they have an android or worse paying through the teeth for an iphone. Trolls have no shame btw they think that the world should need what they need and so unless your the same as them you must be wrong. I shall give an example my boss wanted a wp7 after seeing mine but then some troll comes along and says well you cant vpn on a wp7 and he is like oh i cant vpn that means i cant get onto works network. This would be valid had he ever before or ever will have a need to get onto works network with his phone via vpn. The simple fact is everything on it was perfect for him and now i have to constantly hear how he wished his phone ran like mine.

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I just read back through some of this thread and i though i was childish sometimes. Anyways Siri is gash proper gash. Who wants to talk to a phone that seems desporate to me. Its one of them things that will seem cool for 5 mins then never used again. Mind you i bet it sells a lot of devices as everyone will think Apple was the first to use voice controls on a device just like how they thought they where the first to do multitasking or have touch screen or apps or anything else the iphone was supposed to have bought new to the table.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
1) Siri is unlike other voice control systems on WP7 and Android. You really can't compare them.

2) Apple have never claimed to be innovative. They're just the first to implement new features well, and make them easy to use for the masses.

See my post for a full rebuttal here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19157150#post19157150
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
actually Android has an app called speaktoit virtual assistant that was basically where apple ripped off siri from.

it's been out for over a year.

It can do anything siri can
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I'd be interested to hear from iPhone 4S owners if they are still using Siri. After the initial "OMG this is awesome" phase, most of the people I know rarely even use it anymore.

I was also surprised to find out that it was subpar for what I think is the most common use case for voice commands, texting. Based on how it was explained to me, it isn't nearly as useful as the integration in Windows Phone 7. Seems like its perfectly fine for composing a text, not so fine for keeping a conversation going via text.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Asperity:
Apple did not rip off that app. They BOUGHT Nuance, a competitor, and integrated it into iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Nuance wasnt bought by Apple, Nuance is a company that provides the voice recognition software used by Siri
[Windows Phone 7 General] Asperity:
Google search reveals that I am wrong. Oops. Could have sworn they did.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
There was talk (rumors) last summer that they were going to, but either plans changed or it was only a rumor.

Still, the point remains. They ripped off nothing. They licensed a competing piece of software and implemented it very well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
its not implemented that well i decided to give it a go on my wifes aunts 4s and it normally took 3-4 trys to get it to work, when i looked for comoanys it told me it cant do it outside the us and it didnt write texts to well. I also dont get the coment that you cant compare as its nothing like other phones use! in what way isnt it there is nothing i cant do on other phones. But the biggest point is that after about a day of the wow factor and trying to ask it stupid questions you never use it again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
I really enjoyed when my coworker that was debating against iOS and WP7 stated that WP will surpass both iOS and Android in the near future in front of all of these iphone users. I wasnt expecting him to say that, but his opinion was unbiased and legit. He actually took the time to play with both of the devices and seeing how they work. I dont blame him for liking Siri so much that it swayed him to buy the 4S, that was Apples whole intent and thats what WP has to do. He also mentioned the marketplace not having tons of apps, I couldnt contest him there. Then another Coworker chimed in and said you wont use half that **** so what does it matter. Valid Point.

But

I like the way Windows is headed, they want WP to succeed along with its valued customers, its up to us to help them and watch the OS succeed. Im not going anywhere, because I like WP and it suits me best. I cant tell you the last time I had to do a battery pull or reset the phone. thats priceless. Just a few things Windows need to work on to get things just right. Then innovate after that is the key.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
Well that's the thing. We all have different things we want our phones to be.

Some of us just want a phone that works and doesn't require baby sittings

Some like phones they can tweak and customize and and pick apart like a hobby

Some want phones because it's popular or the latest fashion device.

I'm glad the OPs friend got the phone he wanted, instead of the phone he didn't want and then spending all day whining on XDA how his phone doesn't have this or that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
lol, reminds me of a lot of people on here
[Windows Phone 7 General] 937dytboi:
Well my cousin who was the avid Nokia guy has decided he wants the most powerful phone on the market, so he is step out of his realm and getting the HTC amaze. Tried persuade him to get the HTC radar but he just wants to follow the sheep. On the other hand my sister likes wp7.5 and she will be getting one soon. Sweet. My dad I still getting one also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Near future ? Like, 2012 ? 2014 ? 2020 ?

Have you noticed the steamroller that apple and google have managed to wind up, even while fighting each other ?

I'm all about being an optimist, but come on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Why would anyone want Siri to read out all of their Text Messages aloud to them? Or their email? Vlingo can do that on Android, Blackberry, and iPhones BTW. It's free on the iPhone now.

What Siri does is change the game. After Siri, status-quo speech recognition will never be good enough, because people will expect a lot more from these systems. The reason why people do not use older mobile speech recognition a lot is because they are too awkward to speak to, offer very little decent interactivity, and quite simply aren't accurate enough.

I speak very good (American) English and both TellMe and Google Voice Search/Actions fails repeatedly on pretty simple searches. Vlingo is twice as accurate as both of them, but it offers very little interactivity and is similar to the others in that it parses phrases that are in a set format. Siri is different in that there really aren't any rules for how you speak to her. She's very good at deciphering natural speech, and just as fast as the others are at parsing phrases in set formats... ...

Siri is different in that it has way deeper system integration (can create appointments, send mail/messages, create reminders, navigate with maps, play music/videos, open web pages, etc.), can decipher context very well, is clearly superior to the others in interactivity. Compared to older speech recognition systems, Siri actually feels like a person. It's also ridiculously good when it comes to Accuracy (TellMe and Google cannot even began to compare, they're worse than Vlingo for Accuracy, even.).

You can downplay it all you want (even without Siri, the i4S holds its own hardware-wise despite using the same base design as the i4) but it won't change the fact that Siri Beta changed the game and from here on out anything that doesn't come close to it will be bad by default. It's that simple.

I know a ton of people here with iPhone 4Ses and yes they use the **** out of Siri. It's probably the most used feature on the phone for half of them. It's that good.

I don't use Voice Actives or TellMe because they're terrible. I use Vlingo (Android, iTouch) sometimes becuase it has good accuracy. If I had Siri I'd use the **** out of her and pimp her out just like all my iPhone-wielding friends. Well-educated people with good enunciation can go days without having to repeat one command to her.

Also, Siri looks even better to iPhone users because Apple's Voice Recognition on their devices before Siri was way worse than TellMe or Google's. The quantum leap in quality from the i4 to i4S (Siri) speech recognition services is astronomical for their customers. So, that is why they were a bit more ecstatic about it than users on some other platforms (mostly Android users).
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovenokia:
You have some really good points, a lot of those problems are problems that Microsoft can address, but if nokia can really start making some ground breaking sales then the apps will come and attract devs. I think by apollo the whole package should be together or almost together. I think they have to start pushing to get a lot more games that are windows phone exclusive. Once they start doing this than all the good will start happening. I find it really surprising that people can not put down my phone with all it games and these are people with iphones which i find quite interesting. A lot of people i know are getting bored and their iphone or *****ing about how their droids are lagging(not all of them but a fairly large majority) and pissing them off. If the marketing really comes and all of the above there could be a big push in windows phones.

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I will have to disagree Microsoft tell me is not too bad but needs some work, while google speech actually is very accurate so i have no clue what you are talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
LG Quantum (Window Phone 7) vs iPhone 4S

Work switched all phones for people expensing their phones to the iPhone 4S today. My other phone is an LG Quantum.

Today, I have been busy comparing the phones.

I used Tango on both to talk to each other. iPhone has a front facing camera, so it was a little better, but other Windows Phone 7 devices have that too. And I don't see my self using this much.

The official Facebook app for iPhone is a little better than the official Facebook app for Windows Phone 7. The Windows phone 7 has great built in integration with Facebook, which is non existant on the iPhone.

Twitter is essentially just an app on both for me. I don't integrate that on Windows Phone 7, even though I could.

Linking with Exchange is a trivial task on both.

The iPhone has visual voicemail with AT&T. The LG Quantum does not.

Foursquare works fine on both. I use 4th and Mayor on Windows Phone 7.

Siri does process more actions than Tell Me. It will actually do math for you if you want. Tell me just searches for it. Realistically, this is just a cool feature for showing off. It's not a deal breaker.

Both have 16 GB. iPhone does offer larger options, but work didn't buy a larger one.

Apps are cheaper on the iPhone and there are more of them. But there are plenty of apps for Windows Phone 7. All the essential ones exist.

I downloaded a free Panoramic App for both. The iPhone version is nicer. Both do a great job stitching though.

iPhone offers iCloud for free, but only 5 GB. Windows Phone 7 offers SkyDrive with unlimited pictures.

After taking a picture, the iPhone cannot share it with Facebook. You first must go to the Facebook app and select that you want to take a picture to share. With Windows Phone 7, you can take a picture, and then decide to share it.

The App Store and Marketplace are very comparable. Both make purchasing and installing apps very easy.

Both Phones seem very comparable to me. 1 is alot cheaper. But, there are definately Pros and Cons to both.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Bravo for a well thought out, articulate, and even-handed comparison. I applaud you.

(unlike most of the other posters in this thread, unfortunately)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
TellMe and Google Voice Recognition are both terrible...

COMPARED TO SIRI.

Reading Comprehension was supposed to take care of that for you. This is all comparative, buddy.

Go to an AT&T or Verizon Store and see what you can do on Siri compared to TellMe or Google Voice Search/Actions.

There is absolutely no comparison. Siri makes them look useless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I annunciate perfectly and siri reads it as some random stuff sometimes. Tell me has no problem listening to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
There is so much wrong with that post. I just deleted about 2 pages, cause if it takes that much text, it probably will only start an argument, anyways..

EDIT: I mean the long comparison post up there.

"Work won't buy me a bigger iphone so let's just leave it at 'they both have 16gb'"

"App stores are comparable, devices are comparable" (seriously?! and you have a quantum are you comparing it to the 3GS? cause it's not even comparable to an i4)

"All the big apps are there" Where is Pandora and Skype, Beejive, Trillian, etc.

"They both connect to exchange fine" But only the iPhone supports Exchange Tasks?

etc.

So yea, I just deleted the long reply :P

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enunciate

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/annunciate

Let's just say I have my doubts.

Not to mention, you ARE z33dev33l.

But seriously, you made me laugh pretty hard there...

Also, I said it's comparative. The fact that Siri has a hickup now and then doesn't change the fact that it makes other mobile speech recognition systems look trashy in both function and style.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Miss an "n" and see what enunciate auto-corrects to. :-)

That said, I do want to be able to really talk to my phone, but siri just doesn't seem to read me. I do feel very mechanical talking to my windows phone though and the lack of punctuation is saddening. Both have room to grow, siri is superior for now but it just doesn't hear me as well.