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[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
Difference in price between a Droid bionic $589 and a Droid Charge $499 is $90. Off contract, just thought I'd throw that out there.
[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
I'm not arguing the price, I'm showing that this here is proof that there other ways to go about handling this situation binstead of getting a thunderbolt or revolution (which wasn't even mentioned).

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[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
I wasnt trying to argue either but if you read through this thread, you would of seen that some people already got the bionic without paying anything. I'm glad your happy but Verizon didn't do you any favors either.

I do have a question though. Is the bionic they are sending you new or certified like new?
[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
New in box. I asked for a new in box one because I felt it was worth it. The accessories I paid for was a case and extra battery.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
That's not bad at all. Atleast its new. Let us know how you like it and how it compares to the charge. Plus moto already committed to ICS, for the bionic
[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
Yes that's a reason I want the Bionic for the trade. Its ICS ready. But something is telling me I'm gonna be back to these forums lol. Heard the screen SUCKS on the Bionic. I'm gonna most deff let u all know how I like it.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
The bionic screen actually doesn't suck. Its a qhd display. Its brighter than the charge but with much less color saturation. You will notice a difference but I don't think that will be the reason you go back to the charge. Also Kejar31 and JRummy16 put together a nice Liberty ROM for it..... Good luck with your new device.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Pete2s:
I have a Thunderbolt and I've been having the same dropped data issues in Chicago, Detroit and DC.
[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
It has something to do with raidio software, so it doesn't surprise me that all 4G devices are having this issue.

I was in strong 4G area yesterday b and data didn't drop 1X but as soon as I got back into so so 4G area my phone dropped data continually

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[Verizon Droid Charge] PsychoSimatic:
Honest answer to everyone in this thread... It's all the 4G devices that have this issue, they havent worked out the 3G to 4G transition yet, for those of you who say they dont have the issue, your phone will still display bars on top sometimes but there wont be a 3G or 4G symbol next to them. Thats the same thing, you just dont notice it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] 1.4hitachi:
I have been trying for a week now and VZW does not want to give me a different phone, they keep on troubleshooting. Heck I never knew that they could do so much troubleshooting. I really just want them to give a a upgrade discount so I can give this phone to my bro and purchase the Razr. What do I need to tell them? What are the "magic words"? (yes the data drops on my Chrage, just like the calls we're missed on my fassy)
[Verizon Droid Charge] skenney1993:
Had to call VZW because the women who offered me the D3 and Incredible 2 never called back for my choice. Anyways Sarah out of Houston, TX(where im living) says VZW will only allow another Charge replacement. I told her no, I've had 3 replacements and they all have been junk and she said she and her coworkers all have 4g devices and none of them have ever experienced data drops. My warranty ends on black friday of this year for replacements so I'm praying this charge will work. She pissed the hell out of me when all she said she could do is give me another charge when I told her a women from the exec office called me and offered 3g devices.
[Verizon Droid Charge] teardropcity:
I am close to an acceptable resolution after dealing with the BBB, and someone at the executive offices. I am waiting for the resolution to be in writing, which it has to be to for the BBB claim to be considered resolved. Once that happens, I'll share what it is. All I can say , is DOCUMENT everything you do when contacting Verizon, every rep, every location, everything you were told. I have only gotten as close as I am by being exhaustive about that and not letting Verizon off the hook for any of the conflicting and in some cases outright fraudulent things they say. But even after what they have proposed as the resolution happens, I still fee like crap about the way I have been treated.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
Please let us know as soon as you can. I have not been called back by the executive office yet even though I called all afternoon and left two messages.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
The transition should not matter if I am 100 yards from a 4G tower. I am in a strong 4G area and I should be able to have my phone hold a 4G signal. Verizon has repeatedly told me that this is not a network issue and that it is a device issue. Do you have evidence that it is a network issue? If you do I would love to have it. It would be nice to know if Verizon is selling a product that they know is faulty and denying it to their customers.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
I saw a Bionic in the store the other day and I hated the screen. It looked grainy and looked like you were looking through a bug screen. This doesn't bother many people but it gave me a headache looking at it for a few minutes.

As of right now I think the only 4G phone that I would accept as a replacement would be a RAZR and I don't think that will happen. I am going for a promise of a fix by end of November or a refund for data fees.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
Do you have the new Gingerbread update? Verizon told me that the Gingerbread update for the Thunderbolt fixed the data dropping issues.
[Verizon Droid Charge] viskey:
I believe its a huge flaw within gingerbread. I originally had Droid X that did it all the time as soon as gingerbread came. I went through 4 replacement phones and then got a x2 as a replacement. I am on my 2nd one so far. Its not as bad as it was on my x but it still goes from 3g to 1x at times and I don't even have to be moving....its ridiculous. I'm just sick of dealing with it at this point. I think part has to do with vzw and part with Motorola. They need to do a sh** ton more testing before they release updates. It seems every update for every phone creates some new bug. How about this, don't release it until there are no bugs. With just got 2.3.4 from 2.3.3 for the x2. Now there is a big battery reporting issue. And someone even said it was all over the soak test forums and they told them not to release the update yet and what did they do? Released a faulty update....it seems like it never ends. Makes me want to jump ship to apple to have something stable but don't think I could live without our customizations and other features. Well that's my rant for today....
[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
What I told the lady who called me back was that I had been given 3 defective phones as replacements, me and my wife. She was COMPLETELY understanding and very nice. I was basically offered my choice of ANY 3G DEVICE, or an equivalent 4G device comparable device. Since she was nice, I was nice back, and told her I didn't wanna push my luck, but is there any way I could try out the Bionic, as I wasn't familiar with the Motor hardware and would like to try it out and see if I like it. She agreed, but I would've had to pay the difference in the retail prices between the 2. I got her to waive the difference, cuz my swag is so great ;-) lol. But be nice and professional, that's the key.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] Lodingi:
So what happens when your replacement Thunderbolt or Bionic has the same issue?
[Verizon Droid Charge] MillionManMosh:
I've had the data issue twice in a month of owning a Bionic. From reading the forums you'd think I got lucky- but it's been a trouble free phone for me. Motorola is also working on a fairly major bugfix patch that solves most of the niggles I've had (confirmed by people who have flashed it early)/

It's really the fact that there was no support and no fix in sight that drove me from the Charge. People running leaked builds are having the same issues as those who are completely stock. Samsung couldn't release a bugfix patch to save their own lives.
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
I've had it with this nonsense. After having no 3g and almost no 4g for the past two days I'm out of patience with this garbage phone. I'm getting	plenty of vanishing incoming and outgoing texts as well.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] XDAholic:
I have been using a bionic for a few days now, borrowed it from a friend until I burn my early upgrade on the galaxy nexus. I wanted to let anyone who is thinking about trading in their Charge for a bionic that they should go to verizon and look at the bionic first.

The bionic is a great device much more stable and smooth then my charge ever was thanks to the duAl core. The battery life is about the same and the data drop issue is still there. Yes the bionic also drops data.

Touchwiz is actually much better than blur in my opinion and feels a little more user friendly.

Now for the screen. The bionic screen is horrible. The blacks look like a Dark grey and the colors all have a light tint to them (think the Droid X). This is where the charge truly shines. It isn't even a comparison the charge simply blows the bionic screen out of the water.

When all is said and done I would choose the charge over the bionic every time. So if your thinking bionic, please go and check it out first or you might be thoroughly disappointed! Just my 2 cents.

after seeing the screen on the bionic I hope the pentile on the galaxy nexus doesnt ruin the screen and I dont think it will, Samsung has a great reputation for screen quality and is head and shoulders above the other manufactures at this time.

Anyway, that's all I have to say. Hopefully it will help someone out. Good Luck guys.
[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
Hey XDAholic I heard a rumor that you Lent GoS your charge to Finish his ICS theme. Please tell Me its true! I love GoS themes, always themes the ROM so thoroughly :-)
[Verizon Droid Charge] XDAholic:
Yes it is true, GoS has my charge. I basically annoyed him until he agreed to do it. He lives in my town so want a big deal. He told me it might take awhile tho. Im sure he will let me post it when he is finished.

Sadly he sold his charge and bought an iPhone.
[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
Well, I would more than likely keep the Bionic. Only thing that would make me go back is the Charge screen. I'm spoiled lol. But at least the Bionic is next Gen hardware (current Gen I guess nowadays) and is confirmed ICS ready. The lady I spoke to has a Thunderbolt, she confirmed to me that the data drop issues she had aren't there anymore (like I believe that load of malarkey). I would still keep the Bionic tho.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
Yea that's kinda the way I am also, but not so much. There's virtually no support and no fix in sight. I love my phone, but I've checked out other phones dev sections (Thunderbolt and Bionic), and they are updated almost daily with things. The Charge hasn't had a ROM or theme release in close to a month, maybe more. And I won't touch Humble. The fact that the Gingerbread update isn't here is what's holding us back most likely.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
Efffffin awsome, something to look forward to.
[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
I'm pretty sure 3-4 themes have dropped in just the past 2days. As for development, Be patient new roms will come.

This is the same thing that happened on the fascinate. Development ground to a halt once devs did all they could do with eclair. Then froyo was released and BOOM development sky rocketed.

Gingerbread coupled with the Charge dropping in price will improve development. It doesn't take much.

someone donating their old charge to a good Dev can also lead to new Roms.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
Yea ur right. But I'm as patient as they come, I respect all the devs, they have normal lives along with doing this for fun. Nothing but respect for them. But the GB update is what's killing is, along with Source. Without those, seems like FroYo is milked dry at the moment. And yea I saw the charge for $98 on contract at Sam's Club the other day. Bionic was $149. The Thunderbolt somehow was $149 tho? Are u serious?

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[Verizon Droid Charge] MillionManMosh:
Patience would be warranted if I were treating my phone as a toy. I rely on it day in and day out for my livelihood.
[Verizon Droid Charge] pissinguoff247:
Zeus, Get your SIM replaced. No 3g + barely 4g is the same thing that happened to me yesterday. SIM replacement should fix it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] mkarps:
Jump ship to the 4S and you've got battery problems and yellow screens.... Hardly stable....
[Verizon Droid Charge] viskey:
Well at least they sent out or are currently sending out the fix for the battery issue. I ha enter heard what the deal is about the yellow screens.

The data dropping has been an issue ever since GB was originally released...and the more phones that get GB the more data drops....I dont see a fix for this coming out anytime soon...how long has GB been out?! And now the x2's have a battery reporting issue after the new update to 2.3.4 which displays the incorrect battery % left. I doubt a fix for that will come anytime soon! Especially after it was identified in the soak test but yet was still released...
[Verizon Droid Charge] mkarps:
Haven't had a drop yet on the new leak. And I do mean "yet." Not to bash on Iphone I just prefer the power and customization of Android. Both OS have their flaws and advantages. Also I couldn't go down in screen size ever again.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Rominucka:
Samsung's quality control is doo doo.

Call up Samsung, tell them the issue and make sure you let them know that it's not software but hardware that has to be looked at, otherwise they'll just flash the phone and send it back like they did with me.

I sent it back to them again after a lengthy talk with a Samsung rep and they went ahead and found that the SIM card slot was defective and damaging the SIM cards. I was also told that if the issue persists that there's a reasonable chance that they would send me a Galaxy Nexus as a replacement. (that was after some prodding)

So far nothing has been a problem.

Also to the OP, if you plan on taking VZW to small claims court, you better hope they don't look into things and find you here on this forum, with all your ROM flashing and all. That would be funny.
[Verizon Droid Charge] IN8skillz:
I'm pretty sure somewhere in this thread he states that VZW has offered him an upgrade or atleast changed his upgrade date. So I don't think small claims court is on the table, but yes that would be funny.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Lodingi:
I've been on the new 2.3.6 leak for just over 24 hours. I haven't had a single data drop to report. I will report back if it does drop. My fingers are crossed.
[Verizon Droid Charge] 1.4hitachi:
I Had 1 drop today on the EP4P release. Had to hard reset
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
Just flashed the EP4P radio...shouldn't take long to see if it helped or not...

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[Verizon Droid Charge] youngpettyboi:
Sooooooo..... Today, my replacement Bionic came in the mail. The lady i spoke to actually sent me an extended battery and cover, a new case and 3 screen protectors, which was totally unexpected. After a full day with it, i must say i dont Care much for the screen, tho it is MUCH brighter. Its a ****load more responsive too. Battery life is good, and the overall signal strength is FAR superior to the Charge. But i honestly may go back to the Charge. Just gonna wait a few more days....

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[Verizon Droid Charge] Lodingi:
My data just dropped on me. This blows, but I am liking the rom.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
I finally talked to someone at the executive office last night. They are working on a solution for me and are supposed to call back today.
[Verizon Droid Charge] 1.4hitachi:
After a days use of the EP4P leak I dropped data 4 times that I noticed.
[Verizon Droid Charge] ox45:
My observations

I work in Orchard Park, NY which just went live with 4g a few weeks ago. Once the upgrade took place, I have been dropping data like crazy regardless of what radio/ROM combination I used.

Just this past weekend I traveled to NYC. I noticed that while in the Buffalo airport, I had solid 4g service with absolutely no data drops. Then for four days while in NYC, I had absolutely no drops while down there, and I was constantly using data there. I did not change anything except location.

This Monday, upon returning to work, it took no more than 5 minutes for my data to drop out. This to me shows that the network definitely influences the situation, which might explain why some people have no symptoms, while others like myself drop data like it's hot. Now it's another story all together whether it's the hardware on the phone, or the network itself. But hopefully this can at least help show that it is completely possible for some people to show drops, and others not show anything at all.
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
Data dropped out again...completely gone. New radio didn't do jack for this problem.
[Verizon Droid Charge] mschloz:
I just got a replacement Droid charge, haven't had the data dropping isuue yet, but it is only a matter of time...
[Verizon Droid Charge] brennanb:
I've been dealing with vzw about this data dropping crappy phone for a while I really haven't gotten anywhere because they always what me to call from another phone. Why is that? Do I need to be on ee4 or can they tell if I'm on humble 5.0?
[Verizon Droid Charge] putney1477:
They want you to call on another phone so they can walk you through troubleshooting. Its kinda hard to do while you are trying to talk to them on the device. That's what I've been told by Verizon.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
I just got the "solution" to resolve my BBB complaint with Verizon. They offered me a phone downgrade to the Thunderbolt or the Revolution. Otherwise they said I have to wait it out until they send out a software update at some time in the future... I plan on filing a new complaint and seeing if I can get a better rep to give me an upgrade.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
+1 they will probably try and have you power cycle your phone and take the sim card out and put it back in. None of this will fix anything for you but they will insist on making you do it.
[Verizon Droid Charge] Kryptonian_Knight:
Its crap cause it doesn't always do it on the spot so its hard to prove it to them.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] jmorton10:
I'm beginning to think this is totally a network problem according to your location.

I have been traveling lately in numerous 4g areas and in certain areas it was dropping data like crazy but in other places (NYC for instance) it would run for days without a hiccup.

My boss was with me and he has a Bionic. When mine starting dropping the data, his Bionic did the exact same thing.

~John
[Verizon Droid Charge] Bear55:
If it is a network problem it would be great if Verizon would admit it and start working on a fix. I live 100 yards from a 4G tower and I certainly should have excepional coverage.
[Verizon Droid Charge] blueis300:
Im from Buffalo and know what you are talking about. My wife was just there and had the same experience. She travels the whole month (bummer) and had similar problems through out the country. Tampa, Ca., Utah but not others. Same with GPS. I can sit in my house and get signal no problem but she is trying to use this phone instead of carrying one with her. Back to the same old problem. Some parts of the country GPS connects right away and other forever.
[Verizon Droid Charge] kj1060:
Today has been the worst day for me. Usually I don't experience data drops at all, but today I was all over the place. I am running stock EE4.
[Verizon Droid Charge] 1.4hitachi:
They'll only offer me the revolution or the T-bolt as replacement. Those phones are downgrades.
[Verizon Droid Charge] ilovesoad:
They probably won't be offering any phones any longer. The leak is slated for a release next month, and the head of customer service, the lady everyone has been talking to who owns the charge, said she won't be recommending device replacements any longer as that update is supposed to fix data drops.
[Verizon Droid Charge] PeterDLai:
Unfortunately the leak doesn't fix data drops either. :(
[Verizon Droid Charge] 1.4hitachi:
The Ep4 update does not fix the issue. Sorry Pal, she will be recommending more phones unfortunately.
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
Running the ep4p radio on mine seems to drop data less often but hasn't fixed the problem. Whats really frustrating also is having almost full bars of 4g in the house and having it kick down to 3g without even moving.

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[Verizon Droid Charge] ilovesoad:
But until the update actually drops, she can say that an update is coming and not do anything else.
[Verizon Droid Charge] teardropcity:
After weeks and weeks of contacting Verizon, almost daily, hell, sometimes several times a day, speaking with 9 different techs, receiving a replacement Charge, with the same issues, repeatably refusing a Thunderbolt, Revolution and a Stratosphere, contacting the Better Business Bureau, writing a 10 page letter, detailing every contradictory and misleading things I was told by reps, and then proceeding to have to fight further with a rep from the executive office, I was pressing the entire time to have my phone exchanged for a Motorola Droid RAZR, as it is the only comparable phone that has actually been released (and at the time, had a concrete release date) that had specs including a Super Amoled advanced screen, decent 4g battery life, and a 4.3 inch screen, which are all things the Charge had, and no other 4G phone I was being offered had. The executive office flat out refused to do this, but I was able to work a compromise, where they refunded me the entire amount I paid for the Charge, as a credit on my bill, which allowed me to purchase a Droid RAZR, at full retail, (thus not extending my contract further), so in a way, I was sort of even, with what I had originally paid. This solution, although a bit convoluted and a further hassle than a straight up exchange, worked for me, as I had literally been losing sleep over the stress of fighting and meticulously documenting everything with Verizon. I got the RAZR on Friday, and am loving it WAY more than the Charge. For those of you who are more interested in the Nexus, as it actually comes closer to release, you may be able to try for a similar solution for that. I doubt most people would go to the trouble and sheer amount of time and prep that I put into this, but I wanted to let people know, don't settle, if you fight hard and proper enough, you can get a comparable phone.
[Verizon Droid Charge] killerapl:
Good for you!! I'm glad it all worked out.
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
I've dealt with the runaround and unlike you, I run out of patience with it. All the incoming/outgoing text messages I'm losing with this POS handset are ridiculous as well. How much did you pay out of pocket for the RAZR?
[Verizon Droid Charge] 91point6:
I got back on the phone with Tech support today on the same issue. Someone said it before in this thread - battery pull and SIM card then reboot. Now they are sending another replacement. I have no hope that this will fix my issue. The first replacement didn't.
[Verizon Droid Charge] zeus_r6:
Replacement handsets are just wasting our time spent personalizing the phone only to have the exact same data issues

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