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[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
That makes a lot of sense. If you look at the Verizon 4G LTE lineup, all their high-tier 4G LTE phones come with at least 32GB of storage, most of them come with 16GB internal and 16GB microSD. Only the two mid-tier 4G LTE phones have fewer than 32GB. So it's possible that Samsung only wanted to make a 16GB model, much like the Nexus S, but Verizon demanded that their model have at least 32GB in order to fit with their lineup, and so Samsung made the LTE model have 32GB but all the other models only have 16GB like they planned.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Germian:
Sense? Maybe. Costumer friendly? Definitely no. I want choice.

That's like waving around with a big Pizza in front of your nose and then getting only a very little slice of it, at least for me that's a deal breaker.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
Yeah, I meant your theory makes sense, not "what they are doing makes sense".
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Dmw017:
I think only Verizon may get 32Gb as well but that's because of the additional thickness added by the LTE radio in the Nexus. More physical room = might as well take it up by increasing the internal storage.

But I could be wrong. I have no idea what the size difference is in a 16gb storage (chip?) and a 32GB one so... maybe they are the same size and my idea is dead wrong :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zarch1972:
Great diagram, thanks for that.

Do you think then, that unless you are a movie/video junkie you'd be better with a phone with proper buttons? Rather than having to pay a premium for a larger screen, that 99% of the time you'll be wasting a portion on software buttons?

Its all well and good quoting a 4.65" screen, but in most cases you'll only use 4.3"

For example, the much cheaper SG2 and Sensation XE have effectively the same size usable screen (around 4.3"), but with hardware buttons and in smaller bodies. Both of which will get ICS early 2012.

(remember, ICS will detect hardware buttons and not force software buttons onto the screen in that case)

I can understand the use of software buttons in ICS on a tablet, but i'm thinking they might well be a waste on phones. Happy to be proved once when the device hits, but just a thought right now.

:confused:
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] martonikaj:
well first off, you have to think about the other bonuses of software buttons, such as their ability to change with orientation, brightness (accurately), etc.. Not to mention that those few times that you DO play games or videos full screen, you get the benefit. Whether or not you get a ton of benefit is a different thing, but capacitive buttons can't go away no matter what.

And how do you figure that the you're paying a premium for the Galaxy Nexus because the screen is slightly bigger? The SGSII launched at nearly the same price, and isn't brand new anymore, so of course you could get one cheaper now, but comparing apples to apples theyre pretty much the same price brand new. And not only is the screen slightly bigger for the same price, it has a severely higher resolution than the SGSII or Sensation XE.

And of course those other 2 phones will get ICS... in several months, to be adorned once again with an OEM skin and/or bloatware from carriers. Whereas the GN will of couse ship with ICS and get updates right away, never with any extras or bloat.

Just something to think about.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Sjael:
I totally agree. However. Take a look at what forum you posted this on. Someone will hack in an auto-hide function for the soft keys.:D

One minor improvement they also bring, is that it could put an end to OEMs switching around the buttons all the goddamn time. :p

That and, unless the SGS2HD escapes from Korea, you won't be getting a 316ppi SAMOLED anywhere else. I'd gladly take the SAMOLED over a similar density LCD any day - even if I had to give up 80 lines at the bottom. :)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] zarch1972:
@martonikaj

Good point about software buttons being flexible and the resolution being superior on the Nexus. Yes, both phones will eventually get ICS (skinned by the vendor), but I imagine there will be an ASOP version posted on here well before that. ;)

@Sjael

Yes, the screen does appear to be a winner..... I look forward to seeing it in real life.

Since the announcement i've been convincing myself I want a Galaxy Nexus...... but as the time to pull the trigger and show the money grows closer, i'm looking for excuses not to do it. ;)

If the SG2 had a notification LED i'd pick one of those up and go ASOP ICS, but it doesn't. :(

Good debate though.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Chirality:
I thought we've been over this. You can't hide the buttons while playing games. Only while playing videos do they hide.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] DrGomez:
i find the buttons pretty useless on this phone, mostly because there'd be enough space for static buttons at the bottom. they could have aligned the screen more to the bottom edge or rather make it shorter. Noone needs the useless buttonfree space at the bottom.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] veeeee:
Samsung took a step backwards with the GPU. They put in a PowerVR 540 which was the same GPU in the original Galaxy S.

And then there's the 5 megapixel camera when the Galaxy S2 has a 8 megapixel. Was that a trade off for getting zero shutter lag?

I really wanted to make this my next phone but I guess I will just wait out this round. Hopefully Samsung doesn't take half a year to release the Galaxy S3 in the US like they did with the S2.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] 18.4009:
I have been drooling over this phone for sometime now but I must admit I was really under the impression that the next nexus release would of course be something ground breaking and well..... I am feeling a little let down.

Now I need to rethink what my next phone will be.

I really want the 4.5+" screen!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] marclile:
Glass

Has anyone been able to confirm if the screen is Gorilla Glass or not?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taxas:
TBH i couldn't care less for the 5 mp camera cause if the lens is improved the quality will be way better then a 8 mp. What bother me is the SOC, not the 1,2 ghz 4460( you can just OC to 1.5 ) but that old GPU sgx 540.

Now i know its Oced to 384 mhz or something but its an old GPU and it going to work on a 720p resolution and that is going to push the sgx 540 to its knees. I hope i'm wrong cause i want to get this phone however the GPU makes me wonder.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aksd:
The GPU isn't the same as the one on the Nexus S theoretically, the Nexus S is clocked to 200Mhz with the one on the 4460 clocked to 330 Mhz which pushes it very close to if not better than the Mali in the benchmarks.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] theearthisflat:
Are people really concerned about the camera? Pics looked pretty good last night.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] moslem_n:
How about hdmi or tv out ?

And usb otg would be nice

If it dosent have micro sd
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taxas:
Thw sgx 540 is @ 384 MHz. Thing is mate it doesn't mater if its faster then mali(how much faster do you think its going to be ?)

Sg2 has 800 x 480 pixels to run while galaxy nexus has 1280x720 pixels. The load on Galaxy nexus gpu to run the screen resolution is way more then that on sg2.

in my opinion It was a bad move, not a critical but a bad. How bad it will be time will tell when the phone is released to the market.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alexiseurope:
Is this new feature of zero shutter lag a hardware or software ability? I am hoping that it's from the ICS so we can have it as well in our phones..! ;-)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alexiseurope:
I believe Google have tested and developed the phone so much that they chose the specific gpu for a reason and for sure they wouldn't compromise its performance..

But yes as you said lets wait and soon enough we'll know.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matteventu:
It has a MHL port (so standard microUSB and HDMI with adapter).

Yes, it also support USB host (logically with another microSUB/USB adapter).

source: hdblog.it
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bfspider:
This. +1

10char
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] aksd:
true....true.....I forgot about the extra pixels, lets wait for the benchmarks :D
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
definitely no microSD card slot
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] matteventu:
Benhchmark Galaxy Nexus (PowerVR SGX540, 1280x720) VS Galaxy SII (ARM Mali 400, 800x480), HTC Sensation (Qualcomm Adreno 220, 960x540), iPhone 4S (PowerVR SGX543MP2, 960x640):

http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....3=HTC Sensation&D4=Samsung GT-i9100 Galaxy S2

Quadrant (see the part when test the graphics performance... it is choppy, it lags):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKTQXjmoWh0
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taxas:
Google is a company, surely the dont want the phone to cost alot of many so people will buy it. Therefor budget will compromise its performance and i suspect the damage is already one.

Just because its Google doesn't mean they are gods child. They are a company that are looking for profit. In my eyes performance has been compromised either by the budget or something else.

Benchmarks do not show real life performance. Bench is only how to measure performance in a controlled environment. So for me its not that relevant cause it only shows me what the GPU is placed versus the other ones

The results dont look good at all at the benchmarks, However wont judge the phone on just this want to see how it does on some heave android games.

EDIT: The quadrant result is around 1500 to 1800. One the DNA part in the 3d graphics test the fps is running at 15-17. This is bothering me a bit!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alexiseurope:
Wow!!! It doesn't look very good... :-( especially at the planets bit.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slipudatung:
Wolfson DAC??

Im interested in the DAC (Digital to Audio Converter) in the Galaxy Nexus as in I hope its Wolfson.

I have used many different devices and personally find the ones utilising Wolfson DACs have a sound that Yamaha and Cirrus just cant match (I must stress, this is personal opinion).

The SGS 1 has Wolfson but for me at the time it wasnt advanced enough to remain "current" for long at launch (as I have a Nexus One - not for audio)so skipped it.

The SGS 2 uses a Yamaha DAC - its horrible (again, to me)

The latest HTC devices with their Beats integration appear to be software only - I have contacted HTC who after a few weeks told me that they cannot disclose the DACs in the Sensation XE/XL range due to being business sensitive information. Waiting for this info at some stage too.

I hope to hear about this soon as I am really hanging out for an upgrade with a wolfson DAC and I Love the Nexus range (I have a Nexus One but use my iPhone 3g(not 3gs) for audio because the DAC is greatness)
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
if you remember the NS had the same issue when it was first released, it did not perform well in quadrant.......benchmarks mean almost nothing
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] calin75:
This is troubling. It's putting the Galaxy Nexus to shame. Disappointing. :-(
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] slowz3r:
Look up some old Nexus S threads, It had the same problem, it wasnt a problem with the phone it was a problem with the app and the new version of Android not mixing well
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bigd5783:
samsung must have missed the 2 things that turned off people the most with the Iphone's. If I wanted unexpandable storage and a non upgradeable or replacable battery I would buy an Iphone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kboater:
I gotta say, im hoping that google is making these sacrifices on hardware for a really good reason... such as how the Omap processor, old gpu, and 8mp camera are somehow going to be amazing on this phone and would be better then newer hardware...? I am really praying they used these specs for a reason. I mean they would have to right?, considering its gotta push the 720p large screen, i cant figure out why that gpu (same as my vibrant).

Im just hoping they used this hardware for a specific reason, and really hoping this thing is buttery smooth and fast as hell. I have friends buying iphones, and this nexus better be damn smooth (on home screen too) to show them that android is not laggy.

also, this would have been the perfect time to blow apple out of the water. they released the 4s which is just an updated 4, this was googles chance to grab every one on the fence about which to buy. I, and many others, were hoping that it would have had 1.2 or 1.5 duel core exynos, at least 8 mp camera, SD slot, larger battery; and then add all the ICS benefits to make this the best phone hands down ever made.

I will probably get this if it comes to tmobile, but I thing google/android missed a rare opportunity to blow apple out of the water. Why could they just have not given us better specs along with the new OS so that we can convince some of those people on the fence to buy android and not iphone?

I really want to see some more good hands on videos with this device, US carrier release dates, and some really good reviews

frustrating
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] polys_a:
Well, it's sexy with beautiful screen and breathtaking resolution. I don't care about 8m camera or sdcard slot. the phone will rock as it is.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Quickoir:
They didn't use theur own made cpu, instead they used OMAP by Texas Instruments. But hey, TI is a great chip maker for a long time. The phones performance will greatly rely on the OS now. Hope it will do good to what it promised to do. Still i'm excited about this phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] kromem:
I'm pretty sure CPU choice relates to the IVA 3 in the OMAP 4460 chip (which btw, is a brand new chipset - it is NOT the OMAP 4430). The IVA3 allows for low-power consumption encoding/decoding of up to 1080p@30fps video. Which makes a lot of sense for a 720p device. So if you want to do lots of 3D gaming, probably not the device for you. If you want to watch video/stream Netflix or YouTube/record video, the OMAP 4460 is probably a blessing in disguise.

Personally, the GPU doesn't really matter that much - I don't really play games on my phone (I have an Xbox/PC for that). The benchmark I'll keep my eye on aren't 3D rendering, but rather javascript performance/web rendering (I don't play games, but I do browse the web a lot). And in the videos, at least to my eyes, the phone looks damn snappy.

As for the camera, I'm almost positive that the 5MP decision relates to the instant shutter and panoramic feature. They likely sacrificed megapixels in order to speed up the sensor.

Note: BTW, I was super bummed after the announcement, and especially after reading "techy" initial responses - but after researching OMAP 4460 and IVA 3, and looking at RAZR browser benchmarks (also using the OMAP 4460 chipset), I'm getting excited again. Plus, it's a 720p Super AMOLED screen!!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pachi72:
Why are they doing this to all Nexus? No Sd card? I mean come one. Deal breaker for me. They should at least offer a 64GB version like the iPhone 4 s.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pachi72:
Bingo. And they should of used the same power vr as in the 4S
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Einride:
So they've used the same GPU as in the Nexus S, but it now has to render 2.4 times as many pixels due to the (awesome, mind you!) screen resolution? No wonder it isn't doing great on GPU benchmarks. Sure, higher GPU clocks will help, but it won't be an awesome gaming phone I think.

I'm sure it will be an awesome video and multimedia phone though, with that screen and the added video encoding/decoding capabilities (I'm guessing it has hardware WebM decoding too, since Google chose this particular SoC).

However, what I'm REALLY interested in is whether this is a PenTile matrix display or not. I'm really put off by PenTile ever since I got the Samsung Galaxy S, and I'm not sure a (much) higher DPI will help here.

Edit: Also, the video linked earlier, the Italian dude running the Quadrant benchmark... The system info lists ~640 megs of RAM available to the user/OS. So that means the GPU and other hardware has reserved close to 400 MB of RAM? Even the Galaxy S2 has ~200 MB more available to the user/OS than this?

Of course, this could just be an incorrect value from the benchmark application...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] dvirginz:
after seeing the Benhchmarks, do you think that ppl that don't care for a slightly bigger screen or being the first with the ICS should buy the SGS2?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Einride:
It's not just a bigger screen though, there's a big difference in resolution and DPI as well. The SGS2 is probably better performing in games in general, so if that's the most important thing to you it's still a very good choice.

The Galaxy Nexus is still a damn fast phone, it's just lacking a bit in the GPU department.

Who knows if and when you'll get ICS on the SGS2, though. I'm thinking we'll be seeing a Galaxy S3 in a few months running ICS with the same 720p display, a new SoC and a faster GPU that will be more fitted to a display with that resolution.

There's always a new phone around the corner, isn't it? :p
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] taxas:
Ok i was in the shower thinking over the sgx 540 on the galaxy nexus. And out of no where it hit me. What Google can do to increase performance for games on the phone is to change resolution while playing games.

For example when you launch lets say 9mm or any other heavy game the screen will change to the standard 800 x 640 resolution or something else, that way there will be less load on the GPU and higher FPS for smoother game play. Another thing that came to my mind is the trick Dice used on BF3 for the consoles. By adding a couple of black lines which makes the game run just under 720p. Games runs at 1280 x 704 cutting 16 horizontal lines short of true 720p but run at a smooth FPS.

Another thing that can be done is that games can be rendered at a lower resolution and then up-scaled to 720p also a console trick that is used in Halo games and call of duty

Note: This stuff is only advice if the galaxy nexus is not performing good at games and lags. If it doesn't lag then there is no need however the BF3 trick is a genius move compared to up-scale.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] alexiseurope:
It says here that the screen is pentile... :-(

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319022037

Is it a deal breaker for you?
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
cleaned up and updated the specs

stickied
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] Swiftks:
Here's the really nitty gritty details:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-nexu/
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] xManMythLegend:
Wondering about audio quality. The soundchip was supposedly crappy on SGS2.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] bfspider:
More information: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/20/behind-the-glass-a-detailed-tour-inside-the-samsung-galaxy-nexu/

There's a barometer built in, too.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SeaWo|f:
First off I will be getting the phone

I am a little put off by the SoC choice and sammys insistence on using pentile displays. Not a deal breaker for me because I don't game much on my phone; I am a big web/video user so ultimately the 4460 is fine for me.

I am rather surprised at lack of a micro sd card slot. If this is going to be a media phone why limit people on what they can carry with them by not having an expansion slot. And in this new age of tiered data 'the cloud' is not a good option... might be looking at a BT hd or something.

My final though is - PLEASE GOD LET THERE BE A NOTIFICATION LED - seriously wtf we cant always hear the phone beep for a msg so a little blinking light makes a hell of a difference. Why should I have to go over to and pick my phone up turn on the screen to see if I have a msg? This is solved with BLN on the galaxy S I'm currently using but with out hardware keys idk if such a work around is possible on the galaxy nexus. Also how f-ing hard is it to include this on a phone..
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] AllGamer:
very interesting...

Silicon

CPU: Texas Instruments OMAP4460 (same as the Droid RAZR and Archos G9 tablets), 2047.7 BogoMIPS

GPU: Imagination Technologies PowerVR SGX 540 (same as the Galaxy S and Nexus S)

WiFi / Bluetooth module: Broadcom BCM4330 (same as in the Galaxy S II)

Audio codec: Texas Instruments TWL6040

HDMI: Silicon Image MHD SiI9234 transmitter over MHL (same as Infuse 4G and GSII)

USB Switch: Fairchild semiconductors fsa9480 (industry standard)

Framebuffer controller: Samsung S6E8AA0 MIPI LCD with Gamma correction driver

Sensors

Geomagnetic sensor: Brand new tri-axial Yamaha YAS530

TouchScreen sensor: Melfas MMSxxx touchscreen

Optical / proximity sensor: GP2A (same as Galaxy S and Nexus S)

Barometric pressure sensor: BOSCH BMP180 (first of its kind in a smartphone)

Triaxial acceleration sensor: BOSCH BMA250

Triple Axis MEMS Gyroscope: InvenSense MPU3050

Fuel Gauge (algorithm to track battery's state of charge): MAXIM MAX17040

Misc. internals

Facial recognition elements (Face Unlock): left eye, right eye, nose base, head, face

Available resolution for standard apps: 720 x 1184px

Refresh rate: 60Hz

LCD Density: 320

Default display color depth: 32bit

Camera uses OMAP Ducati Subsystem, on-screen preview size is 768 x 576

Linux kernel: 3.0.1 compiled for SMP with voluntary kernel preemption for best interactivity

Android ROM: version 4.0.1, built October 13, 2011

Device name: Maguro

Main input/output type supported: Headphone, Speaker, Microphone, Bluetooth, Voice, FM, S/PDIF over HDMI; USB Audio DAC (digital-to-audio converter with USB input and stereo outputs) should also be supported

Woah! that was the real code name of the phone! :eek:

not prime, not galaxy, not nexus...
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] pachi72:
Mr. Maguro
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] KevinMArchibald:
Can someone please post GUIMark3 and Vellamo benchmarks for the Galaxy Nexus, if they are available? Thanks!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] htc6500uk:
GPS questions for Samsung Galaxy Nexus

Does anone know if the satellite positioning system in the Samsung Galaxy Neus in the American GPS system or the Russian GLONASS system or both? I have read that the Samsung Note has Glonass but I don't know if it has both.

I have read that most chipsets handle both systems so maybe it is a quastion of software.

Any info on the Nexus or the Note much appreciated - I have read that the Apple 4s definitely does both GPS and Glonass hopefully the Nexus and ICS will do both!
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] vzontini:
I heard there was a hidden notification LED in the center of the bottom of the handset. I was happy to hear this.

With all the complaints about pentile displays from Android users I wonder why they went that direction. However this screen is such high resolution that I'm going to withhold judgement until I see it in person.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] davados:
This seems alot like when the Nexus S was released, nothing ground breaking, mainly the latest Google android update. Of course I will get it when it is available, just like I did with the many other phones that have been released in the last year or so.

In some ways I like the look of the phone, mainly the screen. Them specs look a little underwhelming but it's no real problem. The only thing that is really bugging me is the sd-card slot or the lack of it. This is a developers pet hate, if you have lots of phones like me and you like to switch between them. This will hold you back no more quick switch of a sd-card GRRRRR.

Rant over!!!!!!!

The greatest appeal is that it's pure android, bloat free and has developers interest.
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] htc6500uk:
There is a hidden LED behind the bottom bezel - Don't know if it's like the multicoloured one on the Nexus One but at least it has one. Here is a screen cap from the press launch that shows it....
[Samsung Galaxy Nexus] SeaWo|f:
ok I hadn't heard that any where thx, I must have missed it during the event. I'm just glad there is something this time, colors would be perfect but that would be asking a lot.

One other thing I'm really looking forward to that they didn't cover during the launch but was mention in some documents about the phone from sammy is hardware acceleration.