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[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] madLyfe:
where do you guys think i should be looking to get the most up-to-date info from samsung on the progress being made? like website wise?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] afrojoc:
I installed ICS on my friends Samsung Vibrant. By flashin cynogenmod first then flashing the ics rom twice. One time to get the correct CWM5.5 version (caused an instant reboot and bootloop. which was part of the process) and another time to actually flash the rom. It ran amazingly smooth for a port. So my guess is that it cant be that hard right?:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
We really won't know - Kernel source is the first (and largest) barrier. Audio routing is the next one.

NFC may be nonfunctional for a while too - not like it was ever very functional on our devices in the first place.

Because the Nexus S is very similar in hardware design to the first generation of GalaxyS devices.

The I9100/I777 don't have architectural commonality with the Galaxy Nexus.

Nexus devices, by the definition of what a Nexus device is, are the first devices to receive Android upgrades. The Nexus S received ICS almost immediately after ICS release because Google did the bringup job themselves for that phone.

For some other devices, it's just the luck of the draw - sometimes the GB binary blobs work, sometimes they don't. More often, they don't - but I think between kanging from the Nexus S and luck, the I9000 team had unusual success.

Everyone needs to realize that a community bringup of an Android version that has not yet been released for a given device is EXTREMELY rare.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] androidobsessed:
Ok so I understand we need kernel sources otherwise were basically just out of luck on this, but hasn't the I9100 already received like leaked builds from Samsung or whatever, for 4.0.1 and 4.0.3 with the 3.x kernel? because then wouldnt it be possible to look at the architectural similaries of these two and bring it over from there rather than trying to figure it out from the GN to i777?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Leaks are an annoying corner case with regards to the GPL - since Samsung never actually "provided" the build to us - they aren't obligated to provide sources for said build.

Once I9100 ICS goes official, there will be kernel sources, and porting to I777 should not be difficult. The main change is a few lines of code in the touchkey driver and maybe a few tweaks to the audio drivers.

My estimate: Once I9100 ICS kernel sources go live, we'll have working touchkeys in only a day or two (basically, it depends on if I'm busy with other things when that happens). Call audio could be a whole other story - but until we get past the touchkey issues there's not much that can be done.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] drzacharyus:
Would be nice even though the ROMs out now are awesome.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] graffixnyc:
understood. I guess I just dont know much about how kernels work. So are all the other devices like HTC ones (which there are a lot that seem to have ICS builds) just using hacked up GB kernels? I was just trying to understand how devices like those (HTC) got ICS builds when there isnt a single offical build for an HTC device yet or an offical one close enough to port over( I think they had one leak for the sensation). Is it just that samsung makes things more difficult to hack? What is different about our kernel that it cant be hacked like it has been on other GB device kernels by other manufacturers? sorry I'm just trying to understand it. :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] thephoneguyusa:
Just loaded ics on my captivate I just scooped up for $50 and it is sweet! Now it just makes me even more excited for when it hits or phones!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
LOL why did you pay $50 bucks for it? Were you donating to the dev? If so thats a nice contribution!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] thephoneguyusa:
Couldn't pass up the deal I buy and sell phones I can flip it for an easy $120 Ebay style lol. Though I may keep it as a back up phone for now.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jjesusfreak01:
It may be unlikely, but it is possible, that when i777 specific builds leak from Samsung they will properly support the NFC chipset. Although ISIS is scheduled for a major launch until 2013, their hand may be forced by the release of NFC sim cards that allow mobile payments from any phone, cheaply and easily.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
Samsung never promised i777 builds of ICS.. only I9100 builds. It's anyone's guess as to if we ever get an official ICS build. If we do, they might decide to wait 18 months or so.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
haha I thought you meant you paid $50 bucks for someone to put ICS on the phone.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] thephoneguyusa:
Ooooooo lol no way haha
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
this statement follows no logic. If the SGS2 is Samsungs flagship phone, and it competes against other flagships and iphone why would it not want all versions of the same phone to be updated to the newest os for one. Also Google stated at IO that all phones will have software updtaes for at least 18 month cycle. So in conclusion we WILL receive ICS
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
They never said it had to be upgraded to ICS, only that it has to receive updates. Not to mention all carriers are evil when it comes to updates.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
sure but in the end, I dont foresee either samsung nor AT&T after all the past BS holding off this update
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captpt:
Looks like i9100 owners can get ICS already?? Does this mean i777 owners may see it in the near future??

http://www.blogotechblog.com/2012/01/ice-cream-sandwich-on-samsung-galaxy-s2-xxlp2/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jjesusfreak01:
Yes, as soon as the sources drop for the i9100 (presumably when Samsung officially releases ICS for the i9100), we will have ported copies of ICS working perfectly on the i777 within a few days. You can install the leaked i9100 roms now, but you'll have broken softkeys and no in-call audio, so its not worth it for anything other than playing around.

I'll also add that as far as NFC goes, there is a remote possibility that the i777 will be one of the phones used in the ISIS trials which are started in the next few months. If this is the case, we'll see a leak of the NFC supporting ROM, which may allow the devs here to get Google Wallet working on the i777.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
The SGH-I777 is not Samsung's flagship phone. It's a carrier-mangled redheaded stepchild variant. We're just lucky that the "mangle level" is low. The GT-I9100 is their flagship.

Just like the GT-I9000 was their previous flagship, and the Captivate was the AT&T-mangled version - look how long it took the official Captivate Gingerbread update to get released, even though porting from I9000 to Captivate took people on XDA a matter of hours at most for each I9000 release.

As to the Google Update Alliance - lol, that was an epic failure. It was an empty promise without any backup.

I9100 owners can get leaks with a pile of bugs, and since they're not official leaks there is no kernel source. Official ICS is still a while off. When official ICS drops with kernel source, that's our start gate.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
What does logic have to do with anything whatsoever? Engineers don't make these decisions... people who wear nooses around their neck for 8-10 hours a day make those decisions. The tie cuts off blood circulation to their brain, and that completely screws up "logic."

However, there IS logic for us not to see ICS on the i777 (officially.) It's pretty obvious that Samsung bows to AT&T for the i777. AT&T has ZERO incentive to release ICS on the i777.

In fact, from a financial point of view, they actually have incentive NOT to release ICS on the i777 in a reasonable amount of time: The issues (costs) involved with an OTA upgrade, the support issues (more money) of a person's phone acting differently with ICS, and the plain simple fact that if someone wants to upgrade, AT&T would much rather have them buy a new phone (and commit to another 2 years) instead of keep one they already have.

Don't get me wrong - I'm sure we WILL see ICS on the i777, but I don't think it'll be an official firmware release via OTA in the next 12 months. (I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung leaked something long before then for our phones...)

Take care

Gary
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captpt:
Damn you are soooo dead on... I have no doubt I will be getting ICS here long before any of our fellow AT&T GSII owners IF they ever see it all... I really can't see AT&T penny watchers take a chance on tying up tech calls due to ICS update problems or issues!! 12 months from now there will be lots of Android phones with ICS on them so they will forget all about us GSII owners.. By then the GSIII will be either out of coming out and they will just tell us to upgrade if we want ICS..
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
Actually no you're incorrect if the SGS2 doesnt get ICs then people will go to other cellphone manufactures who will upgrade their phones properly. Intelligent business says that your top of the line, smartphone will be at the cutting edge for at least a year. Also for AT&T to make smart business sense after their debacle with previous androids, and now to prove they have changed as they said they have when allowing third party apps etc etc , it would be a smart business move to upgrade it to ICS. So as a business man myself this is the smart money not your analysis.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] joshh20:
Unfortunately not many manufacturers do release updates in a timely fashion because they dont give a damn about their customers because most of them are too naive to know the difference anyway, unfortunately then we get screwed over.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
You are under the misconception that Samsung has any real control over ICS on our AT&T branded phones. AT&T contracts with Samsung for the phone. AT&T dictates everything. Samsung has no control (and no liability.) If you want a device that Samsung has control over, you have to purchase the i9100.

Even if there was a critical "show-stopper" bug on the phone's firmware, and Samsung had a fix completed/tested, they can't push it out. In most cases (as has been demonstrated time and time again), AT&T will sit on that "fix" for a month or two before releasing it (if they ever do.) There are currently known issues with the current firmware and the wifi/radio. Samsung is aware of this, but their hands are tied by AT&T.

From AT&T's point of view, the i777 is NOT the top of the line. From their point of view, the "top of the line" is a phone with LTE. Compare the current advertising between the i777 (SII) and i727 (SR.) Now look at AT&T's history with android updates. It's not good... not at all.

AT&T has only gone on record that TWO phones will get ICS from them. Both are LTE phones. The skyrocket and HTC Vivid. They gain nothing from the headache of upgrading older SII phones to ICS when they never promised they would and would prefer that owners of older phones upgrade to newer devices that often result in contract renewals.

Okay, you go ahead and assume that AT&T is going to change their stripes and do something you want with no profit involved for them. I choose to assume pretty much the opposite. One of us will be right and one will be wrong. If this thread is still around, we can send "I told you so" messages to each other.

In the meantime (and to try to get back on-topic), I do think we will see ICS in the next 1-3 months. Not from AT&T, but from the android community. It may or may not be based on i777 leaks from samsung - more likely will be based on i9100 firmware modified for our phones.

On the off chance that the development community isn't up to the challange (unlikely), AT&T might decide to give us ICS... eventually. Perhaps as a 2012 xmas present. If we agree to sign a new 2 year agreement. ;)

Take care

Gary
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
No, because other manufacturers are nearly as crippled as Samsung in terms of updates on AT&T. For example, in 2010, AT&T was dead last in terms of Froyo deployments regardless of handset manufacturer (i.e. 0 Froyo releases in 2010 for any handset.) AT&T is the same provider that has yet to announce any ICS device (They just announced a whole ton of Gingerbread devices!).

The problem is that Verizon is only slightly better than AT&T, and Sprint and T-Mobile are only slightly better than VZW in terms of updates, if their networks are even an option for you. AT&T knows that they and Verizon are the only game in town for many users.

If you want a selection of decent handsets that get updated frequently, you unfortunately need to leave North America or accept getting double-charged (pay full price for an unlocked phone and receive no discount for it. Only T-Mobile offers a BYOD discount - but almost all unlocked phones are only 2G on their network.)

Heck, if you read between the lines, it's clear that Samsung considers the United States and Canada to be "third world" countries in terms of their target market - They reserve the Exynos and Hummingbird for "premium" customers, and we were lucky to get Exynos in the I777 - but every other device they've announced on AT&T has had either Tegra2 or Snapdragon, which they usually put into devices for "second tier" (aka third world) markets. This is mostly AT&T's fault - they clearly insist on mangling their phones and won't just sell Samsung's international variant even when Samsung has sold almost as many of that model as AT&T has customers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] kwanbis:
That is one way to look at it. The other way is that if they piss off enough people that bought a SGS2, those customers would never again buy a Samsung phone.

In fact, this was my 1st samsung, and if they take more than 6 months to bring the ICS, I would never again buy from them.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] fireshot91:
Meh. I'm really starting to despise both Samsung and AT&T.

With my Captivate, I didn't get Gingerbread for a while. And when I did, it was thanks to XDA.

Now, with this, I expected there to be a better updating cycle since I presumed that the SII would sell more units than the Captivate did. But then AT&T released the Skyrocket...

If I don't get my ICS before May, my next phone with be either a Motorola or HTC.

...Actually, I've been eyeing WP7 for a while now, maybe I'll jump ship. :p.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] garyd9:
You can't blame Samsung... they aren't the ones making decisions about the phone. Its at&t that has control. Think of Samsung as only a subcontractor.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] weedolo9y:
That's too bad... It's not Samsungs fault is att and samsung makes the most mod friendly phones out there i have been using Samsung phones for years now and every time i get into phone conversations people complain about so many issues Samsung makes top of the line phones
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] MrMickeyMoose:
Lets go italian. "Cannoli"

Sent from my EvaMIUI Enhanced HTC Inspire 4G.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] demon9206:
Its supposed to be alphabetical though :cool:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BrokenLegGuy:
lol, then this is your last Samsung. (spoken from a former Captivate and current SGS II owner)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
They should call it Jello.:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
it will be called JellyBean

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It will be called JellyBean
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Alucardis666:
Lmao. Jellybean eh? I can dig it... wonder when that will drop. probably won't be rocking a GS II when it hits though.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
probably not ;) will drop Google IO 2012!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Alucardis666:
Got a link? :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
I dont think I can link him......;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Alucardis666:
Booooooooooooooooo. That's a fail. *crack knuckles* Time to google...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] hondarider525:
Can't call it Jello that is a copyrighted name
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Captpt:
Gary is right, Samsung's hands are tied, I went down this road last year with the Samsung Focus w/WP7, phone was top notch but WP7 sucked due to slooowly released updates which AT&T held up until they saw there were no issues with the updates everywhere else in the world. AT&T has made it clear to manufacturers (other then Apple) that they they alone will or will not release updates and OS upgrades to their customers,, Sucks huh?

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AT&T is the culprit there's no doubt, went down this road with Samsung Focus w/WP7, phone was top shelf but WP7 sucked mostly due to updates being held back by AT&T, they have absolute say on when or if ever updates and OS upgrades get released to their customers(excluding Apple)..

That said, we will get ICS right here at XDA much much sooner,

http://software2tech.com/2012/01/12/update-samsung-galaxy-s2-android-4-0-3-xxkpa-ice-cream-sandwich-rom-review-video/

maybe sooner then we think, here's ICS running on a GSII :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
he's a person man not a link..:)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] andy7g:
I think I made a right decision switching to GNexus. Pricey, yes. But no more headache, priceless...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] trell959:
Why would you switch phones just for an Android version?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] SII 2 Envy:
I'm guessing 2 months maybe till our phone gets official ICS update.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Neckrobeard:
That's optimistic.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nevrlow:
Ics is yummy
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
Read an article somewhere (dont have a link) that ICS for the international gs2 will be released in q1 of 2012. ICS for all other lines of the GS2(ours) will be released in q2. That was samsungs statement about a month ago, but who knows how long it will take at&t to give a **** and jump on board ....so im guessing we wont see an official release for another 6 months at least.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
well if what you read is true then your assessment is incorrect. Q1 ends in March and Q2 ends in June, so the most we would have to wait is 5 months but I'm betting it will be less
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
2 months for I9100 - good chance.

2 months for I777 - not a snowball's chance in hell - look at Gingerbread for the Captivate. AT&T will hold back the update for as long as they possibly can.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] IyRuK:
CM9 Status

I saw some status of a CM9 update in development. thread is currently locked pending verification. but it says possible cm9 stable by mid feb. anyone want to try and confirm?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] cfaberlle:
It's not the first time a thread like that has been posted. I recommend this thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1349877 that was posted before the holidays. In this thread "Known and Respected" Devs chime in and post their opinions and the challenges they see for a stable release to be available for our phones.

Most of those challenges are still present today so i would not count on a stable release by mid Feb unless Samsung releases alot of source code this month.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
There are a lot of things that don't look right with that effort.

1) Claiming to bring us CM9, but I'm 90% certain they did not coordinate in any way with their development team

2) Putting builds up on ROM manager that were completely broken - says VERY bad things about their release process and what they consider "working and ready".

3) What was reviewed looked like an approach with a VERY low chance of actually working... Now while it IS possible to hackjob a 2.6.35 kernel to work with ICS, more often than not that fails. (There's a reason the CM9 I9100 team is now doing initramfs repacks of leaked kernels - Note that such an approach is considered a "last resort" when all else fails. Initramfs repacks of non-source builds have LOTS of problems.)

4) Some of their comments indicated they thought they would be able to do an I777 port by modifying/deriving I9000 (not I9100) work - This is almost guaranteed to fail.

What they may have had was not ICS, but an "ICS-framework-on-Gingerbread" hack like some MIUI releases. It looks sorta like ICS but it isn't ICS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Miami_Son:
That's too bad. The marketing possibilities with Jello would have been incredible.:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] NJGSII:
This.

I had my doubts myself. With what was needed for such release to occur and for it to actually come out and be broken in pieces says a lot. Looks like the thread in the dev section has been removed.

Oh well. Patience is a virtue.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] LiLChris06:
Yea that should have happened earlier, I think Red got a little excited too.

When I saw his thread asking for programmers (no replies) and then others saying its broken in Rom Manager I already knew it wasn't happening.

I am patiently waiting for it, I rather have something working than a broken ICS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
+1

It's ATT that hold up all these releases with their need to inject all their bloatware and other nonsense that the majority of us will remove as soon as its released.

Captivate/Gingerbread is a prime example........took forever, and in the Captivate community Devs had very solid GB roms what seemed like ages before ATT go their ass in gear!!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] BeenAndroidized:
Well, a few weeks ago I met one of them at Best Buys Mobile. He literally said to me that they are pushing out ICS soon (I don't know what soon meant). I take it for what it worth (50/50 chance) with the experience I had in the past. It will probably be 6 months or more before they come out with the push.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] LiLChris06:
Was he trying to sell you a phone?

I highly doubt a employee from Best Buy Mobile would know.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
Grain of salt to be sure..........I would never trust anything that a sales geek from BB/ATT told me regarding anything. When I was trying to get my GS2 on launch day(10/2/11) for some reason 2-3 ATT stores around me didn't even get them for launch. The sales geeks I talked to at each store didn't know(had heard of) the phone and didn't even know it was being released!!!:eek::eek: Complete incompetence!

If an ATT rep told me the sky was blue, I'm sure I'd struggle with it! :D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Boobie Watcher:
Like I said in my original post...samsung wants to push it in q2, but that doesn't mean at&t will jump on board. Thats why i was predicting around 6 months for an official release.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] trell959:
You actually found one in a store? The att Rep said they don't carry it in stores and that I had to buy it online. Then I went to radio shack lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AndreaCristiano:
I believe he was speaking of an AT&T rep, they have those now at best buy mobile , every once in a blue moon you get a regional AT&T rep in best buy hanging out pushing AT&T
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] thephoneguyusa:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9Mpc2o-6k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Any chance someone have this build? All I do is text and email so this would be a daily driver for me. If so hit me up with a pm.

Sent from my dual core mOnStEr