yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
I think they do notice the hype around something like ICS, with all the screen shots, the on-screen buttons, etc. This is from a USA Today article: "Visual updates: If you're already an Android user, then Ice Cream Sandwich is going to look a lot different than what you've become accustomed to over the years. Google has completely overhauled the OS to make it more user-friendly, giving the entire operating system a new modern font and a magazine-like feel." (source: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/story/2011-12-19/google-android-ice-cream-sandwich/52075012/1).

Expectations were set at all levels, not just for geeks.

*And yes, I consider USA Today to be a lowest common denominator.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
Samsung is not going to drop TouchWiz just like that, they have invested a lot of money and time into it. It does hold some value as well. Now, I wish they would have done a TouchWiz/ICS fusion. That would be awesome!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
The average consumer wont care for most things under the hood, but most consumers do seem to care about battery life, the camera and what color it comes in. Most screens nowadays (Amoled, Super Amoled+, SLCD, SLCD2) are good enough for the average person.

With new technology the battery life is getting better, so the big thing that they look at is how good of pictures it can take. They could care less what version of Android its running... and lets face it, as long as its running Gingerbread or higher, its going to be a good experience for the average consumer.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
Exactly. Also, I've heard a lot of people say that iPhone is the easiest to learn/use. I gave my mom an iPhone for her birthday and she told me she couldn't figure it out. So I handed her my SGS2 and she said, "This is much easier." I think changing up the UI is fine, as long as you advertise it up front what they are purchasing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dungeon47:
I can give TouchWiz a lot of hate, but the Samsung apps that come with it are really good IMO. The music controls in notification, the Voice Recorder, etc. I wish other apps could do that stuff.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Haha, thats awesome.

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The iPhone is easy to use because all it is, is an app launcher. This is why it frustrates me when people try and say that the iPhone is smoother or easier than Android. That dosent make sense because you're comparing an app launcher to a home screen with running widgets with live updating information. Thats comparing apples to oranges. If you want to really compare the iPhone to Android, then open up the app drawer and now see how easy and smooth it scrolls... OMG it scrolls just like the iPhone now. No lag or stuttering whatsoever.

^^ Not directed at Ryude, just saying in general...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
That's actually what I expected. Not even including Roboto or offering some theming options (did they even include the wallpapers?) strikes me as overly reactionary - by stripping as many new elements as they could, they're not only preserving branding, they're saying that Touchwiz needs no change, no improvement, nothing. It's not like they haven't had enough time to blend the elements together and still make it Touchwiz...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
It's exactly what I said before, they want you to pay for the new features (ie: Galaxy SIII).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] votinh:
I've heard rumors said it looks pretty much the same after updating to 4.0.3.

"It" means the phone's home screen, due to TW.

Most of people disappointed, others don't even know it's 4.0.3 unless going into the "About phone"
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
Sorry, I didn't get that from your original comment - but that makes a lot of sad sense.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dschreiber69:
Don't care for TW myself. Im gunna flash something AOSP ASAP when available...

;)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
I dont like Cheezewiz either. Im interested to see how slim down HTC got Sense 4.0 and how well in blends with ICS. Im looking forward to getting the One XL and spending some time with it, then moving on to GSIII if it really is a giant leap forward from the GSII (unlike how the GSII only had a minor bump up in certain areas from the Galaxy S). Otherwise, Ill have my GSII and my One XL. Im also interested to see the specs of the GSIII.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] AntwanL:
Wow, official ICS just got a whole lot less appealing. Hopefully future updates bring some of the ICS flair, or maybe a new ICS-like TouchWiz. Kind of sounds like it's the new ICS covered up by old TW.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] LiLChris06:
If you just got disappointed you should have kept up with all the leaks, then you would have known already.

Just changing the launcher and keeping TW features is what I plan on doing.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Biporch:
That was a stupid move by Samsung. In GB it looked new and refreshed... But keeping it the same when a new more modern one is available... They sure lose average consumers.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] cwc3:
My first ROM release will be very close to stock Samsung ICS. Just with little fixes and mods I think are needed. Throwing more stuff in seems to only create more issues. The rom doesn't have to be pretty, just work. I like what gtg465x did with UnNamed.

I also like TW Launcher. Launchers are easy to change, I don't think anyone is going to be worried about that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] tysj:
Pretty sure the font here and in The Verge video is Roboto. Don't know what people are smoking.

A less useless Touchwiz ICS review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqseTF67ko&feature=g-u-u&context=G2383cb6FUAAAAAAAAAA
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nooomoto:
It was a brilliant move by Samsung. Apple has shown us that time and time again people are more than willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for the same thing over and over again. Dumb people don't like things to change, and most people are dumb.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] trell959:
If we had a Sense 4.0 port, I'd be one happy man. In my opinion, this phone, processor, and screen would fit sense so perfectly. But I love touchwiz, I really don't understand why people hate it :confused:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nbell13:
roboto is basically just helvetica neue with a few tweaks anyway.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
It's less about Android than about the hardware Android runs on.

Desktop x86 hardware is HIGHLY standardized, with huge amounts of backwards compatibility and hardware modularity. As a result, it's easy to target the majority of hardware out there with a single software package.

Embedded hardware, especially System on Chip solutions like those used in every mobile phone, are a whole different story - There's less of a need for hardware backwards compatibility, so things get rearchitected frequently. This is bad for platform software developers, but it happens to also mean that modern phones aren't saddled with inefficiencies that stem from legacy support. The abstraction layers within hardware that make portability easy in the desktop world can lead to nasty inefficiencies in either power management or hardware cost in the embedded mobile world.

There's also the fact that for a while, the Linux arch/arm source tree was a nightmarish mess. It resulted in massive ranting from Linus and a major cleanup effort. The next Android revision after ICS might not be so tough to forward-port as, at least at the kernel level, the arch/arm tree is now much cleaner and more neatly organized. Gingerbread was pre-cleanup, so the source trees at the kernel level made MAJOR transitions in between GB and ICS.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] votinh:
On the video, the guy said that with with new introduced ICS, he now can swype and loop home screens as well as app drawers, around, from last page to first page or vice versa. That's not true, with my GB, I already can do it now. Clearly, it's not a new feature.

Face unlock is "gimmick", ICS stock browser is just OK, camera options are nothing new, ........., so basically, virtually nothing new except bumping the Android version from 2.3.x to 4.0.x.

If that's true, I am very disappointed.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Dungeon47:
I'm in the camp of, if you don't know why you want/need ICS, you probably won't care. I care a lot.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
He said the leaked version a few weeks back didnt have the infinite scrolling, it would tilt slightly letting you know that you're at the end. He said the official release brought back the infinite scrolling.

Im dissapointed about the camera. Still using GB camera over ICS camera has no benefits whatsoever.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] votinh:
Thanks, m8

I must have clicked to go forward :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rav4kar:
Is yours ICS or GB?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
Only the us versions of touchwiz have infinite scroll on the home screen as far as I know
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] redrumsilence:
Can confirm the XXLPQ (Europe release) I'm running has infinite scroll on home screen and app draw
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] cwc3:
ICS. Not working on it yet. Waiting for those kernel sources to be played with before I invest the time.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rav4kar:
--never mind!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
This is NOT a shout :) but "search forum" took me 5 seconds to see that no, no one has posted it yet...

Thanks for the post!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nbell13:
Please tell me they left the option to disable "system" apps (bloatware) that you don't want.. that's about the only thing i care about
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] cwc3:
That video is posted already. Go back 2 pages.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] rav4kar:
- never mind!
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
Tricked! They posted straight from YouTube instead of pocketnow. Hoist by my own clever idea to search for "pocketnow"...

And here I thought I'd learned the lesson of search - I must go back and begin again with the chapter on "targeting your search" :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] cwc3:
That was a tricky one ;)

This is just one of those threads where its so busy, its hard to keep up. I would of done the same thing if I wasn't reading this so much.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Wow... ICS?? I got Woodrow in my Wilson! Shwing

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!

Some have kick ass phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
You see guys.... just relax....as you all go crazy...entropy Is laughing while working. Chill boyz....chill. you don't want stock anyway...has more bloat then the Polish girl I spanked.

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!

Some have kick ass phones.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] redrumsilence:
I had previously rooted my stock GB ROM and removed all the bloatware/system-apps I didn't want, and as I came from a "stock" ROM, I didn't have to wipe so I didn't even look for the option, but I know there isn't one in Odin

Not much help I know, sorry :(
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] redrumsilence:
Also noticed, there is now (FINALLY) a "Silent" profile attached to the volume rocker, when using it to change notification volume, as you get to "Vibrate", hit >Volume Down< one more time and, refreshingly, you're rewarded with a speaker with a line through it :) no sounds, no vibrate, nothing XD

Well done Samsung, you got it right
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Not working quite yet - while I could hex-hack the LPQ kernel, touchkeys would still be broken.

Still waiting for source... Might extract the LPQ initramfs and put it on github tonight though.

Once source comes out it'll take a few days at least, among other things, need to:

1) Clone mainline Linux kernel source (or maybe an Android tree such as maybe a Nexus tree...)

2) Drop Sammy tarball on top of it

3) Make a bunch of small git commits with diffs of each subsegment of the code

Well, I don't NEED to - but a bit of work up front will make my life easier down the line.

4) Integrate CWM into the initramfs

5) Clean up gitignores and such

6) Add build scripts

7) Clean up stupid idiotic bugs Samsung left in or, in the case of the secure container mounting shenanigans, threw in intentionally to **** us up

8) Test before releasing
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Ouch... Repaid 100x.

That's one hell of an aircraft - the people in the next building over at work were responsible for the precision engagement updates in the A-10C.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nick281051:
That's has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I am talking about gingerbread
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] karate104:
I'm so glad that Samsung at least included swipe to clear individual notifications in their TW-ified ICS. The things about ICS I was most looking forward to were that, the multitasking, and the camera (and maybe the browser, though I'm not counting it since I don't typically load 16 tabs on my phone and current one works just fine). I got two of three so not bad; faster picture taking would be much appreciated but I can live with the stock for now. Here's hoping they'll add that in later, as it would make our awesome camera even better.

Reference for swiping away notifications: CNET UK
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mgd76:
u gotta luv 'em

I just love Rangers... They certainly have a "way" with words! :D

Get well soon, 3/75, and here's a salute from a cold war vet. (no combat, but spent 5 years at a MAJOR equipment storage facility in Germany. Secondary MOS was "nuke catcher")
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] nbell13:
its in the manage apps area of the applications menu... select any non-essential system app, and see if there is an option to disable it in the next screen. that's what i'm referring too. pretty much makes rooting just to remove bloatware obsolete, and is a feature of stock ics... that's what i'm hoping they left in :-)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] adfurgerson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II

A 10 link since it has been mentioned a few times, I an driving past Selfridge. ANG Base right now where they train in Michigan.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] robotohshs:
still no source.. :-/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
Samsung is usually about a month late when it comes to releasing source.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] :
Plus they haven't finished rolling out the update yet. Samsung won't publish source until at least its pushed for the first round.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
I predict they will release it April 13th.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ktoonsez:
If you guys want to get a LPQ fix, I did the Entropy hack to the LPQ kernel and you can find it right here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1540872
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jamezz23:
I'm so ready for something different. I've been on icscrewd for ever and I'm just itching for a new feeling. Its a great rom with unbelievable battery life, but it'd be nice for something different.

And here's a link for the rumored SGS III incase your bored.

www.technobuffalo.com/companies/sam...-iii-render-leaks-now-rumored-to-hit-in-june/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
Try Binnacle - I was on UnNamed forever, but got that same itch, ran through 4 or 5 ROMs, and have been more than happy to stay with this one. I think this will hold me till source release...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jamezz23:
Okay ill download that rom. What kernel are you running with it? I see its set up a little differently with the rom.install and you can select what kernel you want to use.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ktoonsez:
@Entropy

I have the initramfs extracted if you want them, I have cpio'd and uncpio'd version. Shoot me a PM if you want me to upload them to save you the time.:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ResolutionHD:
I wish Samsung would stop being stingy ass's and release our source already...
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
Biggest problems for me are laziness and setting up the git repo, and/or properly branching an ICS one off of my existing repo. :)

Already extracted it... just kind of unmotivated at the moment without source to play with
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] mafiadesi:
i guess we'll see what today has in store for us
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
I'm a fan of Entropy's kernel so I installed with that - I've since updated to his 2/28 kernel (see the Entropy's Daily Driver thread in the dev forum).
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dgball:
Response from Samsung after request for source code release status

Customer reference number: XXXXXXXXXX

Email response ID: XXXXXXXXXX

Please quote your customer reference number when contacting Samsung

Dear Darius,

Thank you for contacting Samsung and I have pleasure in providing the following assistance.

This information is not currently available. It may be released in the coming months.

If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and we will be more than happy to help.

Kind regards

Thomas

Online Support Team

SAMSUNG Customer Support Centre
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ryude:
Customer Support 99% of the time means an automated response which provides no information you didn't already know.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] ktoonsez:
I hear you, doesn't look like they are in any hurry to help out the community. That was why I ended up doing the hexedit to the LPQ so we could at least play with some ROM's:D
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eep2378:
"Not in a hurry to help dev community", unfortunately is status quo from Samsung! :mad:
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] eortizr:
Ok, so lets put this thread to sleep, cuz no source is coming anytime soon... the earliest samsung is gonna upload the source will be by end next month, once the official roll out is completed and user feedback have been acquired.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
There must always be one thread, to lower (nothing can stop it) the number of "whar ICS? WHAR!?" threads getting created.

You could always stop back in a month and see if anything happened before then :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] EnemyOfGlaDOS:
.. if you haven't gathered this by now this thread is the only one staying open to discuss whatever ICS rumors there are. We already have ICS?? threads popping up just about everyday, I don't see what the point in closing this thread would be. We'd just end up with another one in 5 minutes. Also ... why do YOU want this thread closed.. because we don't have source? .. um OK. What's your point?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Entropy512:
eortizr is clueless - one of the primary reasons Baby Pacifier has its name.

Source release estimate is completely unknown. Samsung has taken as long as a month to release sources, in other cases it's days. On I9100, if they delay too much they're in for a ****storm. They were lucky to get away with it on the Infuse, but there weren't many people.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] alacrify:
And this is just one of the reasons I keep hitting your thanks button :)
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jbsg02:
I'm sure devs will have ICS working long before an official update is pushed out
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Synner12:
If that picture isn't doctored, then I can only conclude that model hasn't been sent to the FCC yet. I know the multiband version has, and Samsung has already stated that DoCoMo, Orange, and some other UK provider will be getting it. As long as I can get one off contract and stick my AT&T sim in it and get HSPA+, I'm all over this. Even if I have to order internationally. I LOVE my GS2, but I had the Nexsus S when it was T-Mo only. I couldn't get bye without AT&T 3g so I had to ditch it. But getting software updates immediately is a HUGE plus for me.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bykr_dude15:
what i don't get is why Samsung didn't put the same chip in our phones I mean the last few Motorola phones received an omap chip before the launch of the galaxy nexus just so their phones will be able to be upgraded to ICS without any problems. There is going to be some tinkering before this phone can handle ICS.

I don't know to return this phone and get the unlocked Nexus or stick with it and see what the devs cook up.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] jcracken:
The reason we didn't get the same chip is because that chip pales in comparison to the ones we have.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] trusktr:
Hello, this is my first android phone (the SGS2)...

What's ICS?
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dmnall:
Congrats on your first android phone being the sgs2 *we all start with one device*. ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich aka Android 4.0 the next iteration of Android that ties phones and tablets together rather than having two separate versions like it is currently 2.3 Gingerbread *phones* and 3.0 Honeycomb *tablets*.

HTH,

Charlie
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] trusktr:
Oh, cool!! I can't wait for that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nicktuso:
Yeah I'll keep my sgs2 for now, I love my camera and I don't mind gingerbread for a few more months. I would assume AT&T will push ICS at some point, I can def live with this for a long time. I don't get why they used that texas instruments chip in the Galaxy Nexus, and we have something seemingly better, then again I have no idea what I'm talking about. lol
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] Nicktuso:
Another reason why I'll keep my gs2 over the Galaxy Nexus

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/21/the-galaxy-nexus-super-amoled-display-is-a-minus-not-a-plus/
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] justabrake:
Have Android ever given phones an update for phones that has been released in the pass to there OS update.

Otherwise if phones that have been released earlier and an update to android was released have they ever given that phone the new update in the pass ?

If so which phone was it ? What update was it ?

By the time they release this A New phone might be out and might pass this SG2 by.

I don't know why AT&T would really care if the SG2 gets it or not People somehow think here they would, I don't think so. IMO it'd make people go out and update to new phone if they didn't give it here.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] TonyStark R.I.P.:
I would assume Android/Google will release the code within a month or two. The SGS2 (months back) was surmised to launch w/ ICS, however, it was pushed out sooner then expected to compete w/ iP4S. Now that there seems to be some issues w/ iP Google will probably launch, throwing a crippling blow to ip4S
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] dusty2422:
AT&T typically pushes updated software releases to phones they are still selling in their stores. This makes sense as who would want to buy a new phone that has old software on it?

I previously had the HTC Inspire with AT&T which came with Froyo. There was an OTA update a few months later to Gingerbread although I never got the OTA as I was already rooted and running a Gingerbread ROM.

I would guess the SGS2 will get ICS via an OTA update from AT&T, however I wouldn't count on it happening for several months. The devs should have an ICS ROM shortly after Google releases the code, although I have no idea how it will operate with our phones having physical buttons and ICS not being setup for that.
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] bykr_dude15:
well if they can make it work with the nexus s then there should be no problem getting it on the sgs2
[AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777] androidobsessed:
i kinda feel like the whole concern over the capacitive buttons is really unwarranted, i would imagine it will just work the same as any other OS, just this has buttons in it, theyll be taken out and itll all be fine