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[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
First off Samsung makes the Nexus. 2nd off Samsung is great with updates....if you don't have a US carrier or Touchwiz. European Galaxy S phones have had Gingerbread for 6 months. Nexus gets very timely updates. To judge a company on 1 out of the thousands of products they make is being very single-minded. All the major US carriers Galaxy S line have not been updated. When we didn't get Froyo for 6 months Sprint blamed Samsung and Samsung blamed Sprint. This phone was the 1st Galaxy S to get Froyo then they took it back and T-mobile got theirs then Sprint. So obviously there are issues when dealing with Touchwiz, FCC hardware restrictions and the carriers. For all we know Sprint is holding onto the OTA because they are having equipment maintenance issues across the country an want to wait until they are fully operational. The 99% of Epic owners are oblivious to what Gingerbread even is so Sprint figures it can wait a few weeks.
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
All excuses, if other manufacturers like HTC and Motorola can push gingerbread updates in a timely manner then Samsung should be able to as well. I'm not judging them on one product, I'm basing my argument on every phone they released in the US. I know Samsung makes the Nexus S and the Nexus Prime... I clearly stated that in the OP. Clearly you have trouble reading and/or comprehending written statements.

What makes it even more pathetic on their part is that they've had a phone with gingerbread on it with essentially the same hardware as the other galaxy S phones for almost 10 months and still nothing. Just ****ty leaks with tons of things not working. I know the international version has had it for a while and it's been working out well for them but why such a delay with the US market? It's a huge market when it comes to mobile and they've sold millions of handsets here. They clearly could care less about what happens in the US which is why I'm always perplexed when people drool over new Samsung phones. I can't help but laugh when I hear ZOMG EXYNOS DUAL CORE, IT CAN RUN THE INTERNET! Too bad all that processing power won't save you from ****ty programming and no updates.
[Epic 4G General] mtwow789:
Okay okay no need to take things personally.

We all are dissatisfied customers.

About Samsung's omnia 2 reference, I am pointing out that Samsung only focuses on delivering phones with high specs on paper. it is quite obvious that Winmo 6.x was crap and having it on the flagship phone at the time is like shooting yourself on the foot. Indeed nobody promised upgrade from winmo 6.x, however it's their arrogance/ignorance that gets me. They are like "we can make phone with better cpu+scree+build quality, so we are better". This approach worked for them 5~10 years ago, but not anymore. At this time of age, I want real quality product that can bring quality experience. That means hardware alone can't cut it.

It's a fact that Samsung does provide quality hardware. However, they certainly are poor at anything software. In fact they don't have any quality software to show because they don't. Touchwiz is not even a standalone OS, its just a skin/theme.

So how do Samsung try to compete with phones like iPhone? Take the idea, slap better cpu/gpu on it and stamping out phones like a crazy factory, with their massive hardware manufacturing capability. How many samsung phones we have now? And how many of them actually beat iPhones?

Galaxy S2 is very close but it is safe to say that none of them are as optimized as iPhone.

I just don't like their business style of just producing phones with highest and newest technology on it but don't care about fine tuning and optimizing the whole system.

Look at Epic 4G. It had so much capability with keyboard, good front facing camera, Wimax 4G, awesome 1ghz hummingbird cpu. But in fact they are all good on paper, but in real life experience, they fail to utilized completely.

What's good if I have the keyboard if it ignores key inputs. What's good to have ffc if like apps such as Skype don't support it (now it does, but man.. after like 10 months of ownership...?). What's good with all the cpu if the OS is not optimized and I have to install custom roms/patches to get the phone to be snappy.

The point is... Samsung can't deliver iphone killer alone.

Buy nexus, because it is combination of samsung's hardware capability with Google's software capability.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
A person that takes to insults clearly has nothing intelligent to say.

FYI if you read your own thread I was responding to post 3 that said don't expect awesome updates from Samsung, get Nexus. Now who can't read or comprehend?
[Epic 4G General] knock.back:
In case you were unaware nexus phones software updates come from google not the manufacturer.. Be it htc or samsung... So yes if you are unhappy about sammy updating the software a nexus phone is a viable alternative... Do your homework before you insult...
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Thank you. Wish more people were polite and helpful here.
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
Umm, this is America. We're on American carrier(s). We spend American money on this crap. Most of us ARE in fact American (or at least legal residents I would hope). In fact, after a few more beers I may even argue that supporting a foreign company's actions in this case is treason and punishable by being hanged.

Based on the above paragraph, I think we're well within our rights to judge Samsung on their American product support - which is basically non existent. Of the 3 Samsung phones I've ever owned, the only one worth a **** is the Captivate and that's only because it has fully working CM7. I won't waste anyone's time going into detail on my Epic gripes, and we all know (and probably furiously hate) the Moment.

But to diversify (and/or digress) just for a moment. I've had 2 Samsung DVD players that were complete crap and were returned. They were replaced with LG's that I am pretty impressed with. Also, my Samsung fridge makes me want to bash puppies every time I use the water dispenser.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
OK, then why keep supporting them? Stop buying Samsung dude! I was just trying to note that there is more to it then just Samsung not updating the Galaxy S phones in the US. By all the RDFs it certainly isn't for lack of trying. Since the same thing happened on froyo, what really slows it down? Touchwiz? FCC hardware regs? They hate the US because Apple is based here? What really is the hold up? What is the real reason Europe gets it first?
[Epic 4G General] Sir Alphonse:
Oh, I will stop supporting them. Epic 4g will be my last phone from Samsung.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
OK. Out of curiosity which manufacturer will you try next? I also am not thrilled with supporting Samsung. I just don't think they are totally at fault. HTC rushes out updates that don't work and some claim make the phones unuseable. So are you thinking LG or Motorola?
[Epic 4G General] xHoLyx:
Nexus Prime > all ;)

And Nexus Legendary might be next Oo
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
We'll never know what the hold up is... For all we know they killed Jobs too.

And no, I no longer support them. Going back to your earlier point, I try not to judge them based on one product. The DVD players were crap, so they were returned. The fridge worked great for the 1st year or so before I started having problems with it (and if you think their mobile devices tech support is bad, try large appliances!). On the phones, the Moment I thought was a fluke of a bad phone, but it turned into a support nightmare. At least Sprint credited me back on that one. I thought the Epic would be a big improvement. While there was significant improvement on their part, they still suck IMHO.

In the grand scheme of things I own a HUGE amount of high tech devices. The amount of "support" I've shown Samsung with the 6 products I have bought (and 3 I've actually kept) is roughly equal to a pint of piss in the ocean. I won't write off a company based on 1 bad experience - I believe in 3 strikes and you're out and the Epic was #3.

At the end of the day, the only Samsung product I've bought and actually like is the Captivate. Ironically it's the only Samsung device I bought second hand (and behind a liquor store in a shady part of town at that).

While I'm thinking about it. I had a Philips Plasma TV which is now in pieces in my basement. About 95% of it's internals are Samsung manufactured and that thing was a steaming pile of baby ****. I now have 2 Panasonic TV's that I absolutely love.

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Motorola for me. They may not have the fanciest screens but some close and quite technical friends of mine have the Droid 2, Droid X and their kids have Droid 3's. Yes, my SAMOLED's blow the Moto's screen away, but their phones have been quite reliable.

Also, I've been a fan of Motorola for a looooong time. My Nextel's took a brutal beating on a daily basis. I have no idea why my Razr's took all their abuse and survived. The radio's I installed in taxi cabs back in the early to mid 90's were not only rugged as all hell, but fairly high tech for their time in how they handled channel hopping and things. In my decade or so in cable we used TONS (literally tons) of their equipment and it always proved to be reliable. Not to mention the Motorola radio's that went to the battlefields and into space. That company knows how to build a damn fine RF device. I should have never strayed away from them.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Point taken. Funny thing was I bought a Samsung bluetooth headset. The ear hook snapped in half within 90 days and Samsung told me that is not included in the warranty and wanted to sell me a ear hook for $6. I told them to go screw themselves and would never buy another Samsung product. Then the Epic came out...LOL.
[Epic 4G General] insanity213:
Figures, the only movable part is not covered? Douchenozzles....

FWIW, I've always been happy with Plantronics devices. I have 2 of their BT earpieces for my mobile phones and use their CS50 series on my Avaya and Cisco endpoints.
[Epic 4G General] Sir Alphonse:
If the google merger goes through, I would go with Motorola.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
The thing that pissed me off was it sounded like it happened all the time. Got a package of 3 ear hooks for $6 from ebay instead of giving it to them for 1. But yeah, heard Plantonics makes good bluetooths.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Ya I'm with you On the fact I'll never buy samsuck any thing they have pissed me off the ****ing keyboard dose not WORK!

As for your TV the one thing I find weard is that the xbox1 had 3 dvdrom's the tomson one totaly suckedass could not read cd-rs the Philups one was Ok but the samsung dvd rom was the only one that just worked.

And WTF is ther problem with us THE USA? Did they forget that if it was not for the U.S. Army, Air Force, & USMC there would be no fing samsung! They would all be gd comis!!!!!! Don't get me wrong i'v been to South Korea & its a nice place & really liked it in fact. F!!!!!! SAMSUNG! Go LG & Moto

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[Epic 4G General] piscesjoey:
I have a Samsung bluetooth headset also with the plastic earhook that feels like its gonna snap everytime I'm handling it! I love mines though cuz I can do A2DP through it & that comes in hand when watching Netflix on the go especially at work. Can't say that all Samsung products are bad though IMO (except for the Moment, I still have nightmares about that phone!).

OG Evo on Deck!
[Epic 4G General] metalblaster:
Ive got to say, after looking at Touchwiz 4 and the garbage they are trying to push into their newer phones, i am really really hating Samsung almost as much as I hate Mac. But its not even just that. Its a load of crap that they would take more than a week to make most of the features on Touchwiz 4, hell I could code that **** in my sleep. If that's truly the reason why our phone or any other for that matter hasn't seen anything about a real gingerbread release then i have to deduce that they have literally one random dude with minimal computer programming experience creating the Updates for this POS epic Fail of a phone.

You'd think a phone that was "top of the line" about a year ago and sold enough to be fully smacked with pre-orders would be a high priority for them so they would retain customers, but nope, thats not the case at all. They remind me of sony in that way, Not willing to work with their customers and not really willing to work with their 3rd part developers.

And what makes it worse? The epic 2 is already out and ill bet 80% of the people who said they would never buy samsung again bought it on shipping day. But heres the satisfaction IMO, when ICS has been out for a year and the next Version of android is already knocking on the door, I guarantee the EPIC fail Touch me 2 will not even have a working ICS update. And ill take that bet to the Bank.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Curse you Samsung for making your new phones so "shiny"!!!! I want to get away from Samsung but drool at the Galaxy III specs I have been seeing....DAMN YOU!

I should have stopped at the Rant, then the Instinct, tried to get away fo them with my Pre, then they sucked me right back in with the Epic!!!! They are worse than the tobacco companies..LOL!
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
There are only 2 samsung products worth buying. Their tv's & phones that's it. As far as updates go there are a lot of phones that still dont have gb so you know what its a fn phone its really not that biga deal. If it is that biga deal then use a leak
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Plus there are a lot of phones like the Hero that never got official Froyo and many more that will never get Gingerbread.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Your some what right its a PHONE!!! NOT A GAMING PC I'm overclocking the Ich out of, it has to be stabel, reboot hear a reboot there a reboot all over lol. Ya a leak ok rofl.

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[Epic 4G General] zman519:
My LG TV has a samy panel in it & it looks grate our phones look grate also but Epic and all the U.S. SGSs are like a #10 women that has a -10 for a personality

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[Epic 4G General] knock.back:
*great...
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
I agree.

I won't buy any phone any longer that bears the Samsung name until they release a phone and prove they can actually update it (basically, not for at least 4 years).

I will buy a Nexus, because it is supported by Google.

My g/f was interested in the Epic Touch 4G, and I read about the reception cut-outs with the radio. Not fixed yet.

I convinced her to get an iPhone 4S, Photon 4G, or Nexus S 4g. Your loss of sale, Samsung (and maybe even Google).
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Samsung in no way lost from you not buying, just like Apple is in no way hurt by us not buying iPhones.

Its funny how all these people complain about updates when right now our phone surpasses most. Taking into consideration, we're all using XDA most of us are on custom ROMs just be patient our update is coming faster than the Evo got they're Gingerbread(true story). On top of that, our leaked builds besides the reboots are great, HTC phones were a nightmare updating to Gingerbread.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] golgothan:
I think the idea of getting the Nexus is the best way to go if you want the latest update.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
I agree. But I'll want untill google has moto make one, I'm thinking they will be next seeing that google owns there cell line

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[Epic 4G General] ZPrimed:
Trust me, you don't want to go Motorola.

Their hardware design is decent, although the Droid 3 has been a step down in many aspects from the 1 and 2. (The power button location is horrible, among other things.)

Motorola, while they have an appearance of software support, have what has to be one of the worst dev teams on the planet. The D3 released, and had an update within a few months of the initial release... and the update still hasn't fixed all of the problems, even after "extensive testing" and even a user beta "feedback program" (where people complained about non-fixed bugs but Motorola didn't do anything but release the update as-is). The droid3 has a half-baked radio, I've had repeated signal issues with it. More frequent self-restarts than I ever had with the D1 or D2. Stupidly locked bootloader, making full-on ROM replacements impossible. (there are work-arounds, but it means that devs could never update the D3 to ICS without Moto first doing a release.)

Sure, it's dual core... but it still stutters and lags, far too frequently. I attribute a lot of this to the loads of background bloat that is part of "Moto we-don't-call-it-Blur-anymore". The slightly higher resolution screen is nice, but being pentile it looks like ass. 8MP on a camera this small is a joke - lower MP means larger pixels means more light per pixel, which translates directly to better performance in varied lighting situations. (For the same reason, 16MP in a dinky point and shoot consumer digicam is effing stupid.) I'd take a decently engineered 5MP cam over an 8MP any day. Oh, plus the moto cam app is slow as hell and still crashes occasionally (pre-update, it would often fail to start completely or cause the entire phone to hardlock requiring a battery pull).

I'm sick of dealing with Motorola's ****, so I have a Samsung Stratosphere on the way. It's the "LTE version" of the Epic 4g... but it isn't. For one, the battery is bigger than yours - 1800mAh instead of 1500. It also ships with GB / 2.3.4.

I have 14 days to decide if it is better than Motorola, but honestly that isn't going to take much. The LTE alone is huge (I'm in one of the original launch market so I do have coverage) -- the phone's connection is faster than my 10mbps/1mbps cable at home. :P My biggest worry at this point is battery life; if it is sufficient, I'll probably stick with the Stratosphere until something else launches with a keyboard. I hate touchscreen keyboards with a passion - I'll use swype in portrait mode for a quick SMS, but for any real typing I turn the phone and use the real keyboard. Physical KBs also help a LOT if you are doing any sort of remote control - I'm an IT guy and occasionally remote desktop into servers at the office, and the physical KB means I don't lose screen space in the remote viewport.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
^^^^^

I agree with you about moto sucking ATM. But I'm hopinng fingers Xed that google will put a stop to all there bs software.

The hardware keybord is a must for me to. Swype for a "ok see there there in 20" sms but that's about all i use it for. But the keyboard I'm typing on right now keeps missing my key press arrrrr lol. At the end of the day its just a dumb phone no mater how smart they say it is ;-)

I hope no one reading this/or any of my ranting thinks I'm really that bent out of shape over a cell phone smart or dumb. And I'm not trying to upset any one. I still love my Epic and don't plan on buying a new phone for a long time (need more $ b4 I can think about phones) but if samsuck reads this know that u took my hard earned money sold me a phone with a junk keyboard junk gps (di18) and I'm not happy about it.

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[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
I shouldn't have to install an unstable leaked build to get Gingerbread. Lately I've been getting tons of FC's in Gingerbread.

A phone should just work.

And no, EC05 isn't the answer because GPS doesn't work! Half the time I don't get a lock and have to close Google Maps and try again.

You people are crazy! Giving Samsung $200 for a half-baked product with no support and defending them for giving it to you up the butt.

My HTC Vogue / Touch was better than this with our community-hacked Android that I built drivers for! I'll agree that HTC hardware is middle-pack, but at least they publish sources fairly on-time and attempt to update their phones.

The best thing that might come out of this is I might actually be fired up enough to go complete the CM7 port. Or I might just go buy a Nexus S 4g.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Opps duble post

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[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Has any one lived outside of north america & ownd a samsung phone? How are the update and stock roms?

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[Epic 4G General] movieaddict:
They released the source for the Tmobil sgs2 only 3 days after launch, I think there improving
[Epic 4G General] golgothan:
I think they are improving, but is that going to be the same once they are out of the googleplex?
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Their one going grace has been they've been donating phones to CM7 developers.

Though, that does matter much if their radio modem software absolutely sucks. That has to be fixed by them due to NDAs.

The Moment has had problems.

The Epic has our GPS problems.

The ET4G has a currently known signal dropout issue where all calls go to voicemail for a few hours.

For those interested and seeing the grass greener on the other side, here's the thread about the ET4G signal issues: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1301448
[Epic 4G General] ac16313:
Well I'm sorry for your troubles on stock froyo but I have none well besides the theme ew lol...

But yeah you don't have to flash leaked builds man. Yeah samsung seems to see there fault in that, and are doing better at it recently but they still aren't great, but that's the point no company is great, each has their flaws. Its our job to pick the flaws were okay with sadly.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Never but they received Gingerbread at the end of April on the European Galaxy S series. UK 2 months after that. Canada in August I believe.