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[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
I noticed that the sgs2/sensation forum (forgot which one exactly) tried to solve it by creating an original ROM/mod ROM section. But I recall that it created a lot of ambiguity and bad blood..

More subsections could help solve the issue..but it may be logistically unfeasible since some of our moderators may be unfamiliar with the device, and it might be difficult for them to enforce the new rules for sub forums
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
This is true too.. I was fortunate to find helpful Devs in my fledgling phase. :) But the truth is that many of the questions which I've posted in op have their own separate threads over here, and one can always post in these threads and get a response..
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
@rootsu, how about a huddle where we discuss dev questions? We have a list of developers gplus addresses in the RD section..But something of that sort could be started in the Desire General Section, and devs willing to give their gplus ids could add themselves to the list...

I've added one myself...http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1300484

But that does not mean I will be responding to each query myself...I'm sure willing devs will respond in their own free time
[Desire Android Development] danarama:
Yes that's a good idea, but a huddle is like one thread in real time. Easy to lose your place. A forum is ideal for that and its strange xda doesn't have this sort of area already. It's a massive gap imho
[Desire Android Development] rayiskon:
Droidzone, i've never seen u on the port scene, u also used other's bases, if not stuff ported by seo then htc's leaks for bravo, but u haven't ported from other devices. although i mostly agree with ur concept , but with all respect to u sir as a great developer, i think u're not the right person to talk about porting from other devices.
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
True, I haven't released a port yet myself. If you take a look at the updater-script and init.d/01data of the ROM Gingerburst which you referred to, you'll be able to see what makes that ROM (based on ossiram's build) unique and what exactly my contribution is.

You accused me of using HTC's Ruu..Please show me how to make a sense ROM without it.. Can any Sense ROM be made without it? Does that mean all the Sense ROM Devs here, including robocik, baadnewz, leedroid, neo, coolexe, Alex-v and me have forfeited their right to talk about plagiarism of their work?

Nobody can afford not to use another person's work. Do you think the Ports posted here are complete work by Devs over here? The more tiresome work involved (modifying resolution of m10images, modification of libraries etc) were done in other device forums, and brought over here after requesting those Devs..And that is how work should be shared too. On other device threads like the Android Revolution team/RC Mix team etc which can be credited with main porting work of Sense 2.1/3/3.5 Roms, they have a team of dedicated devs who work over weeks to make a working port between non-compatible devices. We Desire devs, mostly use their work after swapping system files, libraries, and kernels. If those Devs had copyright on them, clearly, the so called ported roms here wouldn't exist.

While we're on the question of using another person's work-how many roms here use darktremor/cyanogen's a2sd code? I know mine doesn't.. With Sibere, I have made my own unique Data2sd script which doesn't use the closed source dt script..

The issue in question here is using another person's work as a blatant copy without adding your own significant contribution. Since you've accused me of hypocrisy, have a look at my scripts and tell me whether i'm justified in talking about what I have done. You can download my latest script from my site. There's only a 1000 lines of bash code in there.. Insignificant no doubt.. snq- makes kernels/library patches. Chainfire makes apps. Darktremor, Sibere and I write code. We're good at these. Does that mean we dont have a right to speak out about things on the port scene, though we havent released ports?

You don't see me on the port scene because I disagree on principle, to release a half baked ROM with multiple flaws and waste the rest of my time mending them, no disrespect to Devs who port, intended.

Just my tupenny worth...
[Desire Android Development] rayiskon:
u're misinterpreting my post, i never accused u of anything,and i didn't refer to a specific rom of urs (i never mentioned Gingerburst). All i said was that u are not on the port scene, while question 7. of ur op is "Are you familiar with how to port roms between devices?".

Concerning RUU , u can see that i mentioned HTC leaks for bravo, i.e. u didn't port from let's say Saga or ACE RUU to bravo, i never said u can build up a sense rom without RUU.

no hard feelings, i respect u as a great developer, and my intention was not to insult u or (as u understood it) accuse u of hypocrisy, i was just making a point.

Cheers
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
True, you didnt mention GingerBurst, but that's my only Rom which actually uses a base from another dev. About familiarity with porting which I've mentioned, it pertains specifically to devs who want to release ported Roms/use ports for their base.

Not having released a ported Rom doesnt mean the dev doesnt know how to port. I do have Sense 3.0/3.5 ports I've developed from scratch..but they were too unstable that I deemed them unfit for release. The alternative would have been to use Roms released by Android Revolution/RCMix team. Again I'm against the principle of using a major chunk of someone else's work and branding it yours (credits notwidstanding), so I didnt release that either though I already have their express permission to use these. Again, unlike Coolexe and Robocik, I dont have enough free time to fix issues on a daily basis.

I have no hard feelings against you, only against the content of your post. :) Hence the explanation.
[Desire Android Development] awolbriggy:
I voted no because this seems petty and seems to based purely on people's since of elitism in being a 'recognised developer' -- i sift through the rubbish on here fairly regularly... most of the people who are just doing a few tweaks make that very clear and dont pretend to be anything else - and if they then share that, to save someone else having to do it themselves - where is the harm really...

I know I shouldn't really use names, but I am sure for a long time, baadnewz was basically just tweaking robociks work for insertcoin... he clearly stated that he was not a developer, just a modder... made no pretence, and offered people a good option... as time passed, he clearly started to get more and more involved in the development, so that by the time it came to the sense 2.1/3 roms, it was a real team effort, and i think he would have to modestly admit, he was a bit of a developer now...

But seriously, what does the name matter?

This sort of censoring, class distinction does not seem to serve any purpose - you can very quickly work out which 'roms' aren't really adding much - as a moderately compatent person, you can do those tweaks yourself so dont bother reading, but if you are a fair dinkum noob, you may actually like their tweaks...

The more I think about it, the are a few people who 'started' by pretty much just tweaking an existing ROM and have developed into good developers.. this really is the place to learn too... and that should not be lost.

I can understand some frustration from some people who do a lot of work, looking to someone who knows nothing, the same as someone who is doing very little... but life is full of such things... ultimately the better ones stand out... the weaker ones fade away or get better...

That said, I think if someone is posting other people's work without proper crediting, they should be called out over it...
[Desire Android Development] baadnewz:
we all should post credit to htc then.

i don't agree with this, everyone should have the chance to start making a rom and learn on the fly.

otoh my desire is busted so i won't be cooking roms anymore, i'll gladly give my spot to a beginner chef :)
[Desire Android Development] kkiqq1208:
it is really a bad news.:o

i like your IC's rom very much.:)
[Desire Android Development] danarama:
I don't think anyone could disagree with that at all. Thats how I learned and by the sounds of it thats how you learned.

However, I still think we need a separate section for that stuff but thats not really what it is about. btw, if that section existed I would still have many questions and would use it regularly ;)

The main point is taking someone elses work, tweaking it at a non source code level and posting it as a new works. Yes, android is open sourced but I dont think taking something that is unique, done by a dev who doesn't ask for donations for example, running it through the kitchen, releasing it as their own rom, calling themselves a dev and taking donations for that work is fair at all, regardless of credit given (unless specific permission has been given).
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
We dont want to discourage budding devs at all..It's just that there should be some sort of development. We certainly are not proposing some kind of strict policing of what ought to be devlopment or not, at the moderator level..

There should just be some kind of flexible guidelines to new Rom devs, to discourage them from just copying another Rom and displaying it as theirs, doing nothing. You know the work that you used to do, baadnewz. Some recently posted roms are nothing like that. They're just copies of Coolexe's roms, and has things that can be done in under half an hour. Probably the only difference between the new one and the old one is the change of Rom name in build.prop! Do we really need that in a development thread. There used to be a time when each Rom was unique and had brilliant additions by the dev.
[Desire Android Development] baadnewz:
only mistake in your logic is that donations aren't asked, or at least i didn't see anyone asking for donations. if he has a donate button doesn't mean he asks. or condition anything with donations.

We all take someone else work at some point, hacking it or modifying it.
[Desire Android Development] danarama:
I do.

"If you like my work, please donate"

I've seen that. I could point you there right now but I don't want to name names.

And yes, the very nature of Open source is we all use someone elses work.

Im specifically talking about:

1) Take existing AOSP ROM

2) dsixda kitchen

3) Option 1, 6, 8, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18, 99

4) Post new thread "oooh look at my new ROM"

5) I want you buy this, that and that! Like my work, gimme gimme gimme.

That is not learning for knowledge. That is doing something that benefits them financially.
[Desire Android Development] N3m3515:
This is what i would like to see. or a extra forum section for Mod-Roms.
[Desire Android Development] ikidntu:
I vote yes for the concept, however I guess It's kind of difficult to implement the concept, how do you judge whether the developer know/not know the answer of every question ? It's again come down to the honesty and sincerity of the developer...

I would propose something like a list of questions about the ROM when a developer published it for example:

Which ROM did you mod/port from ?

What is the changes you made to it , what makes it different ?

What's the contribution of your ROM ?

I feel it makes more sense that way, we can always test their answer by checking the ROM, and if something is not right.. one can accuse the developer and close his topic.
[Desire Android Development] baadnewz:
well when you put it this way, you have a point, but i think users (who actually use the rom and make the donations) are smarter than fall for this :D

and you don't need to point me, i had that kind of signature for a while (the sensation fund )
[Desire Android Development] danarama:
Ah didn't know that, but your work is more than that and you DO actually bring something to the table with your InsertCoin ROMs!!! In fact I even put Baadnewz 1.3 on my friend's desire. Its still there to this day!
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
Thread closed..
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
Thread reopened due to popular demand..
[Desire Android Development] erklat:
We had a new one today. Fighting it is like pissing against the wind. I'm having a fcuking laugh right now as I already see a scenario here - the same ones who scream all the time the Desire never got an official GB update, gathering there worshipping their new developer and it is going to be the next rom which is the 'fastest and smoothest' daily rom there is. Tipical XDA bull.

No wonder real devs are agitated. I'm 100% with DZ and the rest of you guys on this.

SwiftKeyed from my HTC Desire using XDA App.
[Desire Android Development] zedmarcus:
Thread closed. Thread re-opened due to erklat wanting to have a moan.
[Desire Android Development] erklat:
I don't see a lock anywhere here, so you are more than welcome to go to other 'development' threads where your kin resides, and fast. :)

SwiftKeyed from my HTC Desire using XDA App.
[Desire Android Development] Droidzone:
Guys... My intention wasnt to create a place to flame each other. :)

Closed.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crazyboy.park:
I saw alsaqr's ealier post that he unlocked japanese version of lt15i and dumped an lt15a rom into it and he made it work on AT&T's 3g network on April which lt15a hasn't been out yet at April.

Therefore i was wondering if i buy unlocked lt18i and do exactly what alsapr did, which dump an lt18a rom to unlocked lt18i device, will it's 3g work on AT&T?

I know there is lt15a is out but i want to get white version and would be nice to have little bit better version than original one since global version is out already.

or should i just buy an lt15a since there isn't too much difference other than 1.4Ghz processor and 2D&3D panorama camera function.

(and proceeder device is about $50 cheaper)

Can anyone help me out..?
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schecter7:
Dumping an 'A' rom onto 'i' hardware wont help, mate. People with AT&T usually dump 'i' roms onto their 'A' hardware (that supports AT&T 850/1900 MHz UMTS) just to get faster updates and it doesn't change 3G bands (HW can't be altered by SW). So in a nutshell, hardware version is the only concern when you're worried about your carrier's 3G compatibility. You can flash any kind of rom ('a', 'i', 'custom') onto an 'A' hardware and I'm pretty sure it'll support ATT UMTS. I'm actually waiting for LT18A to come out as well :)

By the way, I already have an Arc (LT15A). I need another phone anyway, so I'll get an Arc S. But you should check the link

.xperiablog.net/2011/10/17/xperia-arc-s-review-benchmarks-galore/

it'll help you decide which one you need. electronicsshowplace.com is selling LT15A for an incredible $370 price.

.electronicsshowplace.com/advanced_search_result.php?osCsid=mnrhcu9o6bg7a7gm71e3ja0le2&search_in_description=1&keywords=xperia&pfrom=&pto=&categories_id=3710&x=0&y=0

Hope this helps.

---------- Post added at 03:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:13 AM ----------

Beside the processor and camera features, I think there is another major upgrade on Arc S- HSPDA has been boosted to 14mbps (from Arc's 7 mbps). So an LT18A might get better data speed on ATT 3.5G network (they call it 4G though!) . I've an ATT xperia play 4G. Its data speed is a little faster than my LT15A. But if you are going to use wifi most of the times - don't even bother about this difference.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 54hyde:
About Las Venturas - 2.6.35 kernel port for Hero

I found WIFI settings advanced static IP, then in accordance with their router settings, but also fill in the DNS domain name server IP, found that even the artifact can be WIFI
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dplate07:
I have experienced signal loss(no signal at all) on my samsung galaxy s ii, at random times. I am pretty sure that there is network coverage in that area.

When this happened, i normally got to wait for a few seconds and everything get back to normal...

Anyone experienced this or theres an issue w my sgsii?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rynoh29:
I am having a very hard and frustrating time trying to get into recovery mode. Basically I installed a ROM today that was very unstable, and when I go to rom manager trying to flash a different ROM the screen just goes black any help would be greatly appreciated thankyou.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fuloplori:
Unless u wanna flash AOSP roms (CM or MIUI) or maybe froyo roms stay away from that app. To get to recovery the easiest would be to flash a kernel with cwm backed in. Download this package http://www.mediafire.com/?tx56ypyw8wx4c8n. Open ODIN_Kernel_Flasher in 2 - Kernel folder, add Kernel.tar to PDA, uncheck auto reboot, Connect your phone in download mode to PC and hit start. Once complete pull the battery and reboot your phone in recovery mode. Wipe data (factory reset), cache and dalvik cache and then flash a rom of ur choise. In case u'd want a GB (gingerbread) rom coming from stock or froyo rom first u'll HAVE TO flash gb bootloaders before the rom. U'll find the gb bootloader flasher in the package u downloaded, check out the readme file as well.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rynoh29:
Now something else is going on with the phone. It was fine and charging when I went to bed now the freaking thing is stuck in a boot loop =(, the odin version you told me to download will it also fix this issue? Or do I need a different one?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fuloplori:
If u can get it into download mode ur all fine, as for which Odin, u'll find everithing ur looking for in that package I've linked. Once extracted go trough the readme file.

Edit: which rom did u come from and which one did u flash last?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rynoh29:
I came from an obsession rom which was the unstable one, flashed to darkys rom. I still can not get it into recovery mode I will give the odin link you posted a try thanks for all of your help
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] billd104:
Does ODIN not recognize that the captivate is hooked up?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjp419:
ok, hi fellow cappys... first i wanted to say that im started to learn more and more about all this (developments, modding, custom flashing, etc etc) which is cool, cuz ive gotten ballsier and flashed leaked roms (sometimes soft bricking my cappy and what not, but been able to fix the error with help from the forums), which leads me to my next train of thought...

ive just flashed [ROM] 2.3.5 Stock KJ2 with extended power menu.... (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297223&page=1) and right off the bat have got to say that this rom is awesome! very fast, love the new looks, tweaks, etc, but have noticed that i am getting quite a bit of forced closes, and system freezes where the only thing that helps is taking he battery out, waiting a min or 2, and restarting the phone... wondering if anyone else has or is having this problem??? and if so, is there or will there be a workaround or fix for this?

second i just noticed that when i went in the settings, then about phone, my csc says UNKNOWN... what does that mean? is this bad? what should i do to fix?

third, my iternal sdcard space is almost gone, been through it with a fine tooth comb and cant figure out why there only like 300MB left for storage...

fourth, what bloatware can i safely remove from the stock 2.3.5 rom?

fifth, my settings for ringtone/notification/etc keep getting revert back to default after i reboot my phone... anyone else noticed this?

sixth, can someone please help me figure out how the naming of builds is done, am confused if kh3 is better/newer than kj1 or kj2, or jvr, etc? also, what does odexing mean and what is the benefit, as well as zipalign?

ok, think thats all it for now. thanks to everyone who posts replies on the forums for helping noobs like me, and to the devs for being so flippin incred for all their work in the creation of developments for all us cappys

p.s. was running uckb2 build 1106, and getting the sleep death issue.... since ive flashed the new rom i havent noticed that happening hardly at all... could this possibly be a fix, or is just temp? do/should i really send my cappy to samsung for fix or just deal with it...? thanks again!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apbthe3:
1. When you upgraded, did you restore from a backup, and if so did you restore any system settings. Restoring apps is OK, restoring system data results in FCs. I would do clean install and then restore only your apps from backup (you can usually get away with restoring data from games, but never restore any system data).

2. CSC is Consumer Software Customization and has all of the carrier-specific software and settings. If your cell service, data, MMS, etc is all working, don't worry about it.

3. Are you referring to your application space or your mountable storage (where you would store music, pictures, etc)?

5. If you restored system data from backup, my guess is that is causing this problem as well. As with #1, I would start with a clean install.

6. As I understand it, if you treat the letters as if they were numbers (A < B < C), and then treat the whole version number as a 3 digit "number," you can figure out what is newer. KJ2 is newer than KJ1, but both are newer than KH3.

As far as deodex/zipalign goes, I have no first-hand experience but from what I understand deodexing moves all relevant data into the application .apk so it can be altered without messing up other programs. Zipaligning is a way of compressing the APKs so they can be read more efficiently.

I believe the sleep death issue was resolved after KB2 so it shouldn't be a fluke.

Good luck!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edtonn:
Here's my understanding of the letter naming conventions (at least for I897 ROMs...I900 ROMs "JVx" still don't make sense to me except for saying A<B<C, etc). Don't remember where in the forums I saw it though:

1st letter: year of the build

2nd letter: month of the build

number: build# within that month

Ex: "KH3" = 3rd build in August 2011

"KJ2" = 2nd build in October 2011, etc

As I said, "JVR" & "JVT", etc from I9000 ROMs still doesn't make sense to me though...
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] Mello^:
So I was wondering if there's already custom lock screens that has been ported to our device from the other Android devices?? No, I'm not asking for an app so don't post about "Oh, there's already Widget locker, ripple lock, etc.." what I'm looking for is a real "port" of a lock screen from the other roms and Android devices, I kind of envy these Cyanogen Mod users and MIUI users that they are able to change their Lock screens style and how it functions and as well as the UI.

So how about it? does anyone knows? I'll be waiting for a respond~

-Mello^
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] pratyush.creed:
Actually man dats nt gonna be easy...i tried a port of 5lockscreen mod !!

but the source itself is not compatible with our phone as our firmware is not as same as G-S !!!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] spike1902:
Undrstnd that bro...

I tried to create a rotary style lockscreen from uot kitchen but was unsucessful....any idea how to go about that...
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] Mello^:
I know it won't be that easy, but I was just wondering if anyone knows another lock screen port for our device, I hope someone would port custom lock screens soon!!

-Mello^
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] justkiddinghere:
use cyno or apps like lockbot
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] bangalorerohan:
Can anybody get me the settings.apk from XXKPL?
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] invincible authority:
Here it is !!
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] bangalorerohan:
Sorry for the question. Are you SURE it is from KPL itself?
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] invincible authority:
Yes.. it is from FitDroid.. which is based on KPL only !!

Why don't you do the lockscreen port for other advanced ROMs such as KQ4 ??
[Samsung Galaxy Fit GT 5670] Mello^:
You will port this for XPL ? I am on XWKQ2 and I want the 5 lockscreen T-T