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[Epic 4G General] DCRocks:
These threads always make me laugh....

I have 4 Samsung Moments, 2 HTC EVOs and an Epic

All have had issues, with the Moment being the worst.

That said, the only practical advice anyone should ever offer anyone that gripes about upgrade issues/delays on their Android device, is to get a Nexus device, or get an iPhone

The only ones I really have ever seen complain about not getting updates in Android, are those that could root and runs mods if they so chose.

In 18 months, my office went from blackberries and iPhones (for personal devices), to almost all Android phones. I help everyone out all the time with this or that, and know what, NEVER have I heard any comment about an update, except for the one or two techs who like to mod like I do. For Android users outsides of the tech zone, it is simply not a concern. It is something they hear about, but they're far more concerned with their Facebook updates, or changes to their launchers, or even the next version of Angry Birds or Words With Friends.

Where I do hear MASSIVE complaints, is in the online Android development community. That same group of people, who if they so chose, could root their phone and run one of the multitude of builds available, from old favorites to the latest leaks and Alphas, something that amuses me to no end.

Am I upset GB isn't out for my Epic, sure, but only because kernel source is not out for development, but for the most part, the major functionality is already available in most leaks, for apps that require GB to run.

To put things in perspective from my POV, I am far more bummed over the lack of TV-out than I am the wait for GB. Its not even close.

So.. to wrap up so I can step down off my soapbox..

Since the average Android user doesn't even know to complain about upgrade delays, and the non-idiot techs have enough know how to get around them for the most part, it seems that the only thing that complaints and crying about the delay in the release of the updates seems to accomplish, is to keep pressure on the manufactures to improve update timeframes, and to annoy all the thin-skinned people on the net.

As both tend to be a "good" thing, IMO, I always tend to laugh and smile at threads like these.

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[Epic 4G General] zman519:
I was more wondering if they where bug free, if they come out first & still are filled with bugs. Then that would mean that samsung sucks all over & not just the U.S.

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[Epic 4G General] orb360:
I just want to bend my Epic 4G's will to my own... Is that too much to ask?

Unfortunately I can't GROK it! So I have to use Samsung's software as an interface to the hardware instead of coding every thing up from scratch myself :(

It's like trying to be a Sith Emperor that can only execute orders by passing notes of what I want done to Jar Jar Binks.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
I think we are on the same page ;-)

Got any samsung emails so I can write them?

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[Epic 4G General] bagelicious:
Wow I hadn't heard about all those crappy reception/radio issues with the ET4G yet. That is insane. I thought for sure that Samsung would've learned something from the garbage firmware they shipped the SGS1 line with. This really makes me glad that I followed through with our #NeverAgain campaign.
[Epic 4G General] mtwow789:
I loved that #neveragain twitter campaign!

didn't that made SamsungJohn to post stuff at XDA?

Also caused prematured release of EB13? (because right after EC05 released)

I wonder what happened to him?

When he came to XDA, I thought Samsung suddenly became the best dev friendly smartphone manufacturer.
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
You're right, the "average" user doesn't know about the updates, or doesn't care. Netflix can run on all Android 2.3 devices, but they don't see the app in the market so they complain. They don't know it's because they're not running Android 2.3, all they know is they don't see it.

My sister and brother-in-law barely knew there was a FroYo update, and actually didn't want it, even though I told them it was better. They liked their phone and didn't want it to change.

The "average" user won't complain until it's noticeable. The last time people complained about a lack of updates is when Eclair came out and Google came out with the Navigation that required 2.0. There were massive complaints about Donut not getting Google Navigation.

Ice Cream sandwich is due out soon, and I suspect many people will complain. They will see someone else that has it, and notice that it is dramatically different/better than what they have, and they will complain. And I hope they will.

I'm behind Android, but this problem is rediculous. Google needs to do like they did with Honeycomb: Hold the update and source code hostage, and make carriers/manufacturers sign agreements that they will update the device for 1-1.5 years. Then you will be able to tell which phones will be updated by whether or not it is running the latest android, and recommend it appropriately, so we can vote with our dollars.

I have no hope of ever seeing Ice Cream sandwich on the Epic.
[Epic 4G General] golgothan:
I think we will see ICS with the CM version.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Rofl

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[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
I wouldn't count on that. It's likely the API will change, and things will have to be modified to support CM.

I could be wrong, nobody has seen Ice Cream source. However, I'd bank on the API being overhauled. Android has been overdue. At the very least they've migrated the a new kernel and all the drivers have to be ported.
[Epic 4G General] saramon:
Why on Earth would you buy a phone for what it is going to be upgraded to, you have absolutely no certainty that it will be updated, and this uncertainty causes your own frustrations. I bought this phone because it did exactly what I wanted it to do at the time I purchased it, and this has left me satisfied. If an update happens to GB awesome, but to hold my phone on a pedestal and hoping that it will get better isn't a likely method to satisfaction with the product you bought. Prime example, I was an Archos 5 owner, do you realize how long people waited for GB on that... and how many are still waiting... and how many people were dissatisfied with Archos... So be it, if you want to get your panties in a twist, that is your prerogative. Did this phone do what you wanted it to do when you purchased it, for me yes, and the initial satisfaction of the Epic is all I am going to look at. The rest is a pipe dream, and because the Epic doesn't hold up in your fantasy world, it is not a good product, well maybe you should change your fantasy world.
[Epic 4G General] jnadke:
Because updates are the promise of Android. Samsung announced they're running Android. If it's not going to be updated, it shouldn't be called Android.

You do realize that app developers can set what android version their apps are to be used on and eventually there will be a point where no new apps will be visible on the market, right?
[Epic 4G General] saramon:
There are still apps being developed for Donut... because developers usually want their apps supported by as many versions as possible. Secondly, the phone has Android right, I mean I start it up and it looks like Android, am I being fooled? Who says that it has to be updated. Like I said before, buying a phone for what you envision it doing in the future can only lead to your own frustration. Its like dating a chick in culinary school, just because you think she will be able to cook well in the future, and in the end you get stuck with a lady that can't cook mac and cheese... Why not just save the time and find a chick who can cook? There are plenty of phones that have GB right now, go get one.

If you have to sale your phone, or are stuck in a contract, maybe you should have thought about that, and buy something that you want at the time you buy it, instead of a fantasy of what you think the phone will give you. I would like GB as much as the next guy, but I ain't getting all uptight about it. Saying when when when is like saying are we there yet, it just gets annoying. It will get here when it gets here, if it gets here.

The only person who can make you frustrated is yourself, and if you weren't so give me, give me, perhaps you would have some patience waiting for a release.
[Epic 4G General] Geekybiker:
Samsung is an engineering company. They make some really great hardware. Typically its best of class or pretty damn close. However they can't do software worth jack. Their UI tends to be mediocre at best. Their motto is "Its not a bug, its a feature". Don't every expect an update or firmware release on Samsung products. You're best off betting it will remain just as you bought it. They'd much rather sell you a new piece of hardware with the bug fixes than update anything.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
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What do you not understand about the F^%ing GPS NOT WORKING ? AND THE DAM KEYBOARD?

The point is they should be f&&%ing fixed & if there going to fix them then do the fix on an up to date OS.

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[Epic 4G General] roenick92:
I agree, partially saramon. I picked up the Epic with 2.1, and it was good. No- it wasn't good- it was great. Maybe it was because I had just come from the mess that was the Moment. I really liked stock 2.1- it did everything I wanted it to. I had no choice but to upgrade to 2.2- I do not consider clicking "no" to an update 45 times a day a choice. 2.2 has ruined the phone for me- I'm really holding on to see if Gingerbread restores the phone back to working order. So when you say Samsung doesn't owe you anything for buying their product, I disagree- I want to be able to go back to the way it was when I first got it but I can't. Back to where things just worked, or forward to 2.3.4, or 4.0, or wherever it needs to be so my phone works properly again. Samsung is a mercenary corporation, and their hardware is great, which is why my next phone will probably be a nexus if I have to dump the epic.
[Epic 4G General] saramon:
I really have no trouble with my GPS nor keyboard, I am using a froyo rom that probably has those fixed for me. I didn't even use stock for more then 10 seconds anyways, I always have and will root and rom my phone. So I couldn't really say I had a problem, and I am uber happy with my phone.

And if that one update porked your phone, why so eager for another disappointment...
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
I also iam vary happy with Urban reg EC05 rom.

GPS sucked on android 2.1. Froyo was better on EC05

What makes me angery (its only a phone iam not that bent out of shape) is that samsung sold us a defective phone. The GPS did not work right from day zero the keyboard did not, then we get no fix on 2.1 it takes way to long for froyo & its still not fixed. When/if GB comes from samsung it better be 100% bug free! The devs arond hear could be adding things to roms and kernels (making them better) not fixing bs bugs that samsprint should of fixd in the first place.

Samsung sprint = total incompetence and lake of knowledge in software development on their own product.

If sprint does not want to be blamed then they should NOT have there name printed on the phone. That vary thing is one thing I said to sprint after eb13 to get out of contract. And I did get out of contract. How about the fact thay took away geo taging ON OFF in froyo but it was there on android 2.1

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[Epic 4G General] saramon:
See I have never had a keyboard problem, except a little lag on the the GB roms I have used, a few missed letters. I don't use my GPS... so sorry it don't work for you
[Epic 4G General] dieselg5:
Conspiracy Theory

Samsung didn't update any of the Galaxy S lines (in the US) to gingerbread because they wanted people to upgrade the Galaxy S II for gingerbread. Now Samsung is going to upgrade all the Galaxy S phones to GB and not upgrade the Galaxy S II phones to ICS so people who want ICS buy the Galaxy Nexus. Next year when Jelly Bean is announced.....you get the idea.

I really wish the Galaxy Nexus wasn't from Samsung because I don't want to support them anymore but Google leaves me no choice.
[Epic 4G General] mtwow789:
lol

At least they gave us gingerbread source!

But yes...withholding new updates (for apple: siri) to sell the new products...

oh why oh why Business 101.
[Epic 4G General] DroidApprentice:
The S IIs and Nexus Ss are definitely getting ICS. They've said so. First generation S phones like ours though...doubtful.
[Epic 4G General] zman519:
Well let's see if they have totaly 100% fixed all the bugs. I just got an email today FTW from best buy giving my a free Zagg skin for my One Year "Phoneversary". So in one year let's see if its fixed. Fingers Xed

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[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
All of these replies are long :P
[Epic 4G General] wolf5150:
Have to upgrade my wife's phone... what do you think I'm doing?

If you said "flashing my Epic 4G back to ec05, giving it to her, and jumping the Samsung ship to HTC!", you get the cigar!

Thank you Samsung and Sprint for the absolutely ridiculous upgrade cycle/near complete lack of support for this very cool phone. I may buy Samsung again someday - IF it is a "Nexus" branded handset.

I appreciate all the guidance and insight from the fine folks and devs in these forums. Thank you for helping all of us get everything we can out of these things!
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
I don't get it? Samsung shipped the epic with eclair. said the epic would get froyo, and that they weren't going to release gingerbread. it got froyo and all ppl can do is ***** that it doesn't have gingerbread yet. So they started working on a gingerbread release, dropped like 3 leaks, including kernels and modems, dropped source, obviously still developing, and STILL ppl are *****ing! The worst part is that gingerbread doesn't even seem to increase the functionality of our developer improved froyo by a whole hell of a lot. And if u think for one second that HTC has less buggy releases, u should check into that.
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
BB, you know there are some Debbie Downers on here that will only be happy if their phone runs software before it is even announced..and then they will ***** about the bugs it has. They also want a new car that gets a new engine every year for free....LOL.
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker86:
I don't know where you got the idea that Samsung said they "weren't going to release Gingerbread," but I promise you, it was a hallucination. Samsung never once said they were only going to give the phone Froyo because, if they had, none of us would be here right now and none of us would remotely consider ever purchasing a Samsung phone again. People were expecting better service this go around to make up for the DISASTER that the Froyo upgrade (which most of us were told was "coming soon").

Now, I totally agree with you that people here are too damned antsy over these OS upgrades. Let's face it, Gingerbread adds PAINFULLY little ACTUAL functionality to our phones. People are probably most looking forward to it to fix all the BS we've been dealing with since EC05 (crappy signal, crappy wifi toggle in taskbar, crappy GPS, among other things). However, There comes a point where people should have a right to be pissed. Let's face it, the Nexus S is a keyboardless Epic 4G, it should not take TWELVE MONTHS after its original release to get it to the exact same phone with a keyboard. The Epic 4G was a top of the line phone and a member of a multi million unit selling line of phones, and every single one of them has been treated like a second rate feature phone on Boost Mobile.

People are pissed because this is a $250 device tied to a 2 YEAR contract and they should feel at least slightly entitled to continued customer service through that contract provided the hardware can run it. The fact that this phone has literally a .01% chance of getting ICS despite the fact that the Nexus "keyboardless Epic 4G" S will have it in a little over a month just throws coals on the fire.
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
I think you're mistaken about at least this much, I remember them specifically saying no gingerbread when I got mine on launch date. Plus, froyo works great, and our devs had made *****in kernels and roms off froyo that run almost as good as gingerbread (if not better). Also, we'll have a port of ics at some point, i'm sure.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Who gives a f**k about ics cuz even if this phone gets ics this phone won't have voice over 1x and lte which there will be capable phones in a couple of months with those features and ics. So for me this phone is EOL
[Epic 4G General] tsperez:
It's my last Samsung... and I won't even get into what the Sprint store promised when I got the phone. And no 4G in my area.

Sprint was pushing the EVO and totally forgot the Epic. That's a shame.

tsp
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
So when you bought the phone in August of last year, "someone" told you that your new, top of the line phone was most definitely not getting an OS update that was barely even a full fledged rumor at that point? The OS update we knew very little about until it's unveiling in November/December of that year?

And if this mythical "someone" actually existed, why does no one else on the Internet seem to have heard this important tidbit of information? And more importantly, why would anyone have admitted to you at launch that they were dropping support in less than 6 months?
[Epic 4G General] tsperez:
My bad. Everything you say is right.

tsp

PS: oops, thought you were talking about me.
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
Sure... Something like that.

my dates may have been off, it has been over a year, sorry for the confusion. There was definitely talk of the epic not getting gingerbread. But ya, u obviously right. Good call.

---------- Post added at 08:07 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:51 PM ----------

it was in doubt until december, according to this article, mr. knowitall :p

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/09/samsung-galaxy-s-android-2-3-gingerbread/

and was known about as early as september, according to the date on this article :p :p

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211940

do u have anything else? if not, plz try not to be so rude on the board in the future, that way u don't look like such a jerk when u find yourself talking out your ass.
[Epic 4G General] ksweat2292:
gingerbread wasnt even out when they released this phone on launch day! it was august 31, 2010!
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
ok, read my last post where i linked to an article from sep.2nd of last year where they were talking about gingerbread potentially on the epic. they may not have released it, but they knew about it.

edie: also, read the part about not talking out your ass
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
Both of those articles seem to be "yay! We're getting gingerbread after all!" without actually saying or citing why they thought otherwise. Hell, one of them actually references gingerbread as 3.0 so I'm sure we can ignore that one. Why don't you find me something where someone important actually says the phones would not be supported before you go excluding yourself from the "talking out of your ass" club?
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
the point of my second link was that we knew about gingerbread well before it was released. u can completely disregard the entirety of the text for that one. the first link was a confirmation, in december, showing that they still weren't certain in december. why don't U find something to support YOUR claim that we didn't know about gingerbread until DECEMBER or that we knew for certain that we WERE getting it AT ALL?

my point was that it wasn't certain, there was talk of us not getting it. we knew about it at launch date. #talkingoutmyass...
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
Samsung put out a press release that all Galaxy S phones were getting Gingerbread. Until you see a press release stating all but the 4 major US carriers I would jusst quietly wait for the OTA.
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
We knew OF Gingerbread prior to December, we knew very little about it, CERTAINLY nothing about which phones would/wouldn't be getting it. And I never said that we KNEW we were getting the update, because when it comes to Android you never know EITHER WAY until someone says so. And when it comes to top of the line phones, burden of proof lies with the guy with the mystical connection that (falsely) told him that they aren't getting updated.

I can't give you proof that Samsung never said something because blogs and websites don't usually publish stories about things people DON'T say...
[Epic 4G General] KennyG123:
I am saying Gingerbread is still coming to the Epic unless you see a press release otherwise.
[Epic 4G General] bender beerman:
All I was saying is that at first they didn't guarantee it would get updated to gingerbread. They only promised a froyo update at first. There was skepticism and doubt as to whether our not the epic would ever see gingerbread. Especially at launch, when we knew so little about it.

Late edit: i'm not exactly sure what part of what I said that u were disagreeing with. I don't know what I have to prove to you or why, all I know is that I did provided supporting evidence of what I said, u disagreed. Cool. I asked u not to be so condescending, u stopped. Also cool. If I was out of line or wrong on any part, correct me, but support your argument. Don't tell me that the sky is red, and its my job to prove it otherwise.
[Epic 4G General] sonarchist:
Have had this device (Epic 4g) over a year now........the one single Samsung update to hit this device arrived a good two months after the network OTA had been pushed out (this was eclaire DI18 last Fall).......soon after, went the route of ODIN...........yes, Sammy bad.
[Epic 4G General] Carlitosbaby:
what samsung updates? if wasnt for leaks or betas we would have 0 updates, lets release ahh **** doesnt work take it down fast its a joke
[Epic 4G General] Furok23:
just bad. bad bad bad

the only samsung device you should ever buy is one without any samsung software (aka only the nexus)
[Epic 4G General] nom303:
Lol So bad that they only updated one persons phone