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[Windows Phone 7 General] Wyn6:
@doministry: Moved to Android, yet still in the windows phone forums? Interesting.

I love these threads, though. They all end up the same in the end.

What most of us simpletons here, who are unable to fathom the depths of the advanced, Skynet-like Android, like about Windows Phone is that it's something new, something fresh. It's not the same ol' same ol' we've been accustom to from iphone and Android. Not that either of those two are bad. Actually, the opposite.

But, there's not really anything new there per se. Microsoft decided to go against the "Tried and True" and do something different. We will see in the long run if this pays off. But, every now and again, something comes along and changes our perceptions on what should be, the status quo as it were.

You ask about coming here for all your info. Well, come here in addition to going elsewhere. The problem here is that most are nerds and geeks thus they dig into things that most others wouldn't. Not many people care if you can reroute power from your phone to the dilithium crystals, and bleed some of that power out through the main deflector array. See? Nerd.

But, here at xda, if your phone doesn't do that then it's a failure. Let me clarify that. It's a failure to the Android fans whose phones are the best thing since Bell called Watson from the next room. There are actually quite a few of us that appreciate what Windows Phone has to offer, how far it's come, and how far it can potentially go.

Stick around for awhile though and you will find those who are quite informative and constructive. But, you'll also find those who come into every thread like this to tell you how much they dislike/hate/loathe/want to vomit on windows phone. Strangely, like moths to a flame, however, they continue to be drawn here. Which leaves me confused and makes me cry inside.
[Windows Phone 7 General] morpheuszg:
I am getting sick of that android fanboyism. I just want that forum section android free but no, in nearly every thread there are some people who have an android device and start to post negative things about WP7.

To the android using guys: In this section there are people who DON'T like android or other OS's for a reason!! So why the hell do you have the need to post your biased crap in here? I really don't understand this. Why don't you accept that some people like me like WP7? WHY???

The other way round is even worse, you may notice....
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
In Android thread I am visiting there are tons of people who don't like it and it's not a problem for anyone really.

The other way round is not worse.

The scheme is like this:

WP7 lovers: "if you want to endlessly hack your phone and accept these lags, use Android"

WP7 critics: "we still miss this and that...."

What is really hard to understand for some is that some people use both platforms on regular basis and can really COMPARE them head to head. And this is the question here, COMPARISON. Times has changed, users are not devoted to one thing in their life anymore and are not treating their choices like a new religion. WP7 is still starting and appeared in a world of huge COMPETITION. If you don't know, the competition and comparisons makes things better, not the closed circle of believers. And that's why MS opened these polls where you vote for the feature you'd love to see.

Some people here are more MS than the company itself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] creamy:
Hi GManLynx,

In my opinion Wyn6 and Dom both have valid points to make, Dom has voiced the fact that although WP7 is very capable as a daily driver (and it is my preferred O/S) it does seem to be limited for those of us that need specialised apps/functionality to be satisfied with our chosen platform. In the same light Wyn6 has it spot on that these forums do tend to be very geek based and arguments about granular functionality do get out of hand and turn the thread away from its original point, this thread will go that way in the end i promise...............keep an eye on it, its really quite amusing.

Anyway here is my penneth worth:

I have originally come from 6.5 where the flashing was both a delight and at the same time a chore, i then found myself being drawn to Android for the exact same reasoning and that was that i liked to play with and customise my phone to my liking. The hardware however at the time did not do it for me though and i found (as most people now realise) that with Android the hardware is the key for a great phone experience. This is now possible with all of the great droid handsets and the the apps available make the customisation side an absolute pleasure, although decent application coding is still an issue from time to time along with the possibility that the performance of any custom ROM you choose is entirely dependant on the trial and error application addition basis that 6.5 required. In my opinion this will always be the case with an open source platform.

Now with WP7 you get less chance to customise (although it is entirely possible) but the O/S is rather solid due to the fact that it is closed and that the apps that are released have been vetted so as not to afftect the functionality of the phone too much. This is also a plus point when it comes to the hardware that is required as you dont need the leading edge of available hardware to run the buttery smooth O/S. Improvements from Mango have made this even better in my opinion and have opened the door to better development opportunities and eventually better apps than are available at the moment, however i do stress the word eventually. WP7 is still very young and MS have some great things in the pipe that should make the O/S differ greatly from others......but again this will take time.

I could easily recommend droid or WP7 for you and i think you would be pleased, at the end of the day you will as Dom said have to decide what level of functionality vs customisation that you would prefer and go with that one. (this is easily done as all phone carriers now offer the 30 day cool down period, so you can evaluate both properly)

Try everything you can think of to aide your decision but most importantly have fun deciding, i know i did ;)

Kind regards,

Creamy
[Windows Phone 7 General] drokkon:
When I had a WinMo device, I was here every day too. Now that I'm on WP7, I actually spend most of my time in Google Reader keeping up with about a dozen WP7 blogs, which is all the info I need. The XDA forums also have RSS feeds, so I've added the WP7 and Focus forums to Reader and just scan the daily threads just in case I'm interested enough to contribute (case in point).

This is exactly what I was getting at here. I was spending way too much time getting my device to 1) work, and 2) work exactly the way I wanted it to. An hour a day on the forums like you, but then several hours whenever I wanted to flash something or hack something. If you think that there may be life outside of your smartphone, get WP7 or a stock Android device that you're happy with as-is.

I'm keeping my eye on this roadmap, but I'm grandfathered into AT&T's unlimited data and therefore won't be leaving anytime soon. :) There aren't any carriers listed there, check out this article and this article for Verizon-WP7 speculation.

Yeah, but how many of them are WP7 trolls looking to start crap? ;)

WP7 critics are much worse than that. Someone above said that the WP7 is not a smartphone. :) In fact...

Um...because you prefer a larger screen to surf the internet doesn't mean that WP7 is not a smartphone. I prefer to do my design work on my PC...that doesn't mean my WP7 isn't smart, only that running the Adobe suite is more pleasant and useful with a mouse, tablet, keyboard, and widescreen.

In fact, WP7 is not only a smartphone in definition, but arguably smarter than other mobile OSes in a few ways:

First, it is SMART in that it has a lot of functionality built-in that other OSes need an app to accomplish. Plus, in Mango, it even suggests Apps that you have that might pick up where the OS left off. COOL.

Next, it was SMARTLY designed to be able to run smoothly and without crashes on less-robust hardware than other OSes.

It's also SMART in the sense that it's a new approach, a radical departure from existing OSes in terms of look and feel. It attempts (and succeeds, IMHO) to be more efficient and easy with the brand-new Metro UI paradigm.

Obviously, it's SMART by definition in that it is an ecosystem that runs across devices (as opposed to feature phones), runs apps, has all kinds of hardware bells and whistles, and while I thought the original release was great, Mango has added multi-tasking and several other things that people expect from a smartphone.

Finally, it's SMART for me personally, because it rescued me from habitual flashing, customizing, and general time-wasting unbefitting a busy adult with a family to think about. :)

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Oh the irony of posting ridiculously long replies... guess I'm having a slow-ish week.
[Windows Phone 7 General] creamy:
HAHAHA!! i missed this, Are you real??

A 7" Android tablet is not a smartphone and neither as you quite rightly put it is the WP 7.5 O/S, however a WP7 smartphone is actually a smartphone.........yes really it is.

Way to use your 16th post doofus ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Yeah cause Android pretty much sucks for an average user. Yes for a power user its great but not for an average user.........

WP7.5 fills this role quite well.

Although I am far from an average user, I honestly find WP7.5 to fulfill most of my needs. I will admit that v7 was very basic but 7.5 is really nice. I am very much looking forward to 8 because I think it is going to be THE game changer.

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I have no idea how you can say this. I use my Focus all the time as a mobile internet device.... Yes I am a power user. I started waaaaaaay back in 1988 with my own Bulletin Board System (BBS for those that remember) running on MSDOS 3.22 on a 2400 Bps modem, 8 Mhz XT Intel processor, 512 kilobytes of RAM, 20 Megabyte Hard Drive.... Insane compared to what's available now.... I had my own dedicated phone line and everything. It was awesome... I was 12 years old by the way. It was called the Computer Castle BBS. Anyway I've been in IT professionally since 1994 and I know how this industry works and I am positive WP7 would qualify as a smartphone.

Comments such as yours are why so many people are turned off by this OS and that's ashame.......
[Windows Phone 7 General] GManLynx:
It's just so hard to choose. I'm about to go to Verizon I think, probably within the next month, it could also be ATT. I'm not sure yet. I think I will try to sell my sensation and spend then pay the ~300 more dollars to get the prime off contract for verizon, that way I can wait for the follow from WP.

Dual-Core (yes I realize they don't need it, but I want it, I made the mistake of getting an iphone 3g and it was only supported for a year, if I get the new WP7 coming out, they are just second generation single-core items)

Another issue is no LTE with WP yet. Thats actually more of a downside than no dual-core functionallity. I really want my phone to have LTE. I will wait for the Nexus prime release, If android fixed a lot of fragmentation, I will get the nexus prime without hesitation, but I think no matter what, I'm going to go to WP8 when it comes out, and the phones meet my requirements. I love samsung, because they make the best screens, so I want my WP to have 4"+ screen super amoled screen, preferably HD., LTE, GREAT battery life. Those are my top 3 needs, dual-core will be a plus. I actually like my sensation cause I have it clcoked 1ghz, doesn't lag and can last me all day easily. Haven't had one day when it has died out on me. But...yeah. Can't use the sensation on Verizon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RobbieRobski:
wp7 was my first smart phone. I upgraded from a motorola slivr hehe. I like it a lot. I've used android and like the live tiles of my wp a lot. The main selling factor for me was that I already had a zune pass so it was kind of a no brainer.

ms was late with vision and dictating texts and stuff, the market place is still small compared to android and I wish zynga would make wp7 stuff but oh well. But even still I wouldn't trade for android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] greener88:
I was using an android phone before switching to wp7. I liked Android, but I haven't had any second thoughts about the switch.

I do miss some apps, but nothing I can't live without. There's more built in features that I like on wp7, and I just find the OS more efficient and easier to use. Also battery life was awful on my Android phone so that had something to do with it too.

All the same, for anyone considering a new phone I would say wait until the end of the month to see what both Google/Samsung and MS/Nokia have to announce.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Hmm if you say people having both OSes and sharing experience are crap,

XDA seems to have strange direction than...
[Windows Phone 7 General] GManLynx:
Thanks to everyone who has responded, To the people who gave lots of information, I thanked your posts. Can someone reply to my post further up? If you were in my situation, and could get the Nexus PRime (if its as good as what people hope to be) which will allow me to have LTE. WHich... is pretty improtnat I feel like
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Don't hold your breath. WP doesn't support dual cores, and it never will. I want someone to prove otherwise. The next mobile OS from MS maybe will, but never this one.

Get the Prime or wait on Apple again.

Lte coming, but the dual core isn't happening for this kernel or OS.

m.tech2.com/news-detail.php?id=247702&type=news
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
seriously......some of you just like to *****.

http://allthingsd.com/20111009/micr...s-says-dual-core-lte-models-coming/?mod=tweet
[Windows Phone 7 General] GManLynx:
When will Microsoft be holding their keynote? Hopefully its soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Not sure, but he's speaking at AsiaD which is Oct 19-21.

http://allthingsd.com/conferences/asiad/speakers/
[Windows Phone 7 General] velvet_man:
I think WP7 looks incredible. I love the look and feel of it. I'm even running a WP7 theme on my WM 6.5 phone right now. However, whenever I look at new phones, I can't help but think the WP7 devices all seem pretty lackluster compared to some of the high end Android phones on the market. I don't know why MS has decided to lock WP7 into the middle of the road. That doesn't interest me. When my contract is up and I get a new phone, I'm getting high end. As high end as I can go, in fact. And I have a feeling that means I'm going to be going to Android, since I don't care for the iPhone and WP7 can't compete on specs, build quality, etc. It's a shame, as an OS, I think it's incredibly promising.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
High end ones are coming. We are only seeing the beginning of 2nd gen devices, why so impatient? Nokia will be bringing plenty of high end alone, but you'll also see Samsung & HTC bring more heat especially next year. We are still mostly on first gen basic devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GManLynx:
Thats the problem is its all coming next year I guess, and when if I switch to verizon I HAVE to get a new phone, since I won't have a working one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Phones with 1.2 GHz single core and 512 MB RAM are not high end anymore. Adreno 205 is mid-ranged in this market.

As lon gas they price them accordingly, though, all should be well.

BRB while I figure out why Microsoft had to make their contacts system worse than Google's, which is a monumentous accomplishment...

Anyone know if it's possible to not sync Windows Live Contacts and ActiveSync in Google Contacts, and have the Hotmail client provide AutoComplete, etc. for Google Contacts? Don't wanna have to deal with this **** anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drokkon:
Thanks...I was about to post the exact same thing. Dual-core and LTE both drain battery, and, frankly, WP7 doesn't seem to need dual-core. MS wants to wait until battery drain is lessened before jumping in. Didn't iPhone choose not to implement something in the last year or two, citing battery drain?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
Because they're competing products, selling for a compatibly price in the current mobile marketplace?

Normal users don't care how old the WP7 platform is, how fast it's growing or what it might be like in the future. They want to know what it can do right NOW compared to iOS and Android. Why is that so hard to understand?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] weijoon:
Totally agreed with you. 3 of my non-techie friends keep asking me about how to do this and that on an android phone, not because they choose the phone, but the salesperson on the carrier influence them to get an android because it is more popular, and more stylish (me:WTF!?). For me, I'm tired and pass the stage to tinker with my Old Win Mobile or my girlfriend android device, I gave WP a try and never looked back...

JFYI, my girlfriend is very envy my Mozart which can done the things she needed in a simple and more efficiency way, thus I'm suggesting her to wait for Nokia's WP and will switch my mozart and my girlfriend's Ideos x5 after it is available.

P.S. I'm not saying which platform perform better, but which is more suit to the user usage and requirement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lekhwani:
Just wait for AsiaD. 19th October. Hong Kong. ICS is being launched with galaxy nexus (its not nexus prime). Lets hear news from Microsoft and Nokia also at this event.

There is a rumour that with ics, Google has radically changed battery management. And it will provide at least triple battery life than now.

But then Google said at froyo and gb launch also about better battery life. But obviously with froyo and gb, battery life has actually gone a notch below with each updates to support added features.

As for me, bought a focus about 20 days back. Updated on day 3rd when I installed windows 7 and zune on my laptop. I am beginning to like it.

Yesterday I added a 16 gb sandisk class 4 SD card. Its working fine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Wow, notice my link and your is based on the same BS. WP doesn't support dual cores. It wont. It was built for one architecture that wont support multicores.

Android Kernel from the beginning supported multi cores.

IOS with its BSD kernel supported multi cores from the beginning.

WP7 engineers didn't think about the future. They built for specifically one type of chip. Thus this OS is dead, literally. Its dead or a bad market test. All bets that they are working on yet another version based on the ARM version of Windows 8. It supports multi cores. This ****s a debacle!

So really prove me wrong. Not with a BS link. WP7, 7.5 wont support it, ever.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
I think I will take the word of the President of Windows Phone division over Vetvito's. No offense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Actually according to this link WP7 is based on Windows CE7 which supports dual core CPU's, along with many other features.... But why would you need a dual core CPU in this OS current state? What could possibly be faster? Perhaps web page rendering could be a little quicker, possibly some graphics intensive games, but not much more... In it's current state, I would prefer LTE over a dual core CPU....... Cause I'm sometimes waiting on my average AT&T 3g connection.....

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-is-based-on-win-ce-7/

Now when Apollo comes out, that will be different and expect to see dual core models with LTE too, BTW.

Here's what Andy Lee's has to say about current lack of dual core:

http://www.mobileburn.com/16968/new...-support-4g-lte-dual-core-chips-in-the-future
[Windows Phone 7 General] XxAndrexX:
In my opinion its a matter that WP7 is a fail, even after mango. The proving fact that its a fail, is that here in spain and europe, onle a few people knows that WP7 even exists. If i have to be honest, since WP7 came out, i didn't find anyone who owns it.

So its stupid to defend Microsoft and WP7 (IMO)

I don't regret to have bought a WP7, because it was very cheap for me, since it was a fail and the dealers here were getting rid of it at any price.

I regret to have bought a WMo phone, and since WP7 came out it was instantainly discontinued. There are people who bought htc pro2 or similar expensive phones, and now they're fully discontinued. The right move in my opinion was to merge WMo in WP7.

So there wouldn't have been compatibility issues and so on. We are not ready for a system like WP7, and the facts demonstrates it.

-No backward compatibility

-videocamera sucks

-very bad text-editing

-no chance for desktop-remplacement

-no dualcore support

-applications very far from Android and iOS and even WinMO

WP7 is not even a smartphone, since it doesn't have a pen or a decent text-editing system
[Windows Phone 7 General] jake2046:
andriod & iphone don't have MS Office...so I guess they aren't a smartphone either. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Of course they do. On many Androids 3rd party Office is preinstalled, and what is surprising, it can do much much more than WP7's Office.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Not sure what kinda phone you have but my Focus has an excellent video camera, and it edits text just fine unless we're talking about the XDA App which is horrible........

Again, I'm not sure why so many are fixated on dual core support, what would that get you besides less battery run-time?

Apps very far from IOS and Android, well agreed but that takes time.... Especially since the APIs to make decent apps were only available in Mango beta, 5 months ago........

I'm actually still waiting on a SIP client....

Backward compatibility is not an issue for me.

I think the OS is great for it's real version which is 1.5.

When v2 (Win8 Apollo) comes around I think it's going to be fantastic....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Emi_Cyberschreiber:
i don't know why someone wants backward compatibility. since its a NEW OS. and it would ruin the ecosystem Microsoft wants to build, specially when new apps are developed in obviously different language.

camera, depends on phone manufacturer, you can go and complain to them.

very bad texting editing? i have no idea what you mean by that, but if it doesn't work for you or you don't know how to use it... you cant blame the phone is the one not doing right but you.

for desktop what? i really don't understand what you mean, but i GUESS its because you cant use it as storage, or something. well seriously i don't know. they may be unable that, the storage, thats why they are taking feedback for new features.

no dual core support for what? but its not even a year released, and you expect 4 core phones? when even with 1 core it works smooth and nice, and its not like all other phones are all dual core or everything will take super advantage from dual core.

they needed to focus in more important things first, and then dual core, like they mentioned some days ago, they are working on it.

and your other reasons are silly but oh well. like apps, only because it doesn't have 100k more fart apps dont make marketplace useless like if it didn't have alot of nice apps, specially since 7.5 is released developers can now develop more kind of apps and games.

and i don't know if you understand the term smartphone.

and you don't see xbox live, office, skydrive, facebook/live integration, soon it will be able to control xbox. soon multiplayer vs Win8 and xbox. also Skype will be in the integration soon.

they even showed how easily is to port apps from win8 to windows phone.

and i use all these stuff so it works for me. and it obviously need work, and new updates. but it does alot of amazing things

so it makes me think how i don't understand how someone like you got a phone in version 1 OS, and then expect it to be like a windows 8. and have 500k apps in a week, and of course specially when you don't seem to know alot of stuff about the phone.

but to each its own...