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[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Kudzus:
I too like the Flyer but, I think I’ll go with the Lenovo ThinkPad … already has HoneyComb and a much better Notes app.

HDMI and full size usb ports

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tabname=Features
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Yeah.... no, I tried to like the big 10 inch. I had a Asus Transformer which worked great, but no, just couldn't really love lugging a huge slate. I have a laptop which is much more capable for lugging. SO I am really digging the Flyer
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aarick:
But have you actually use it? I haven't tried the flyer..but the Thinkpad tablet I have an eval unit right now in front of me and it's horrible!...main issue I have with it is that it's really sluggish...and big!...also, palm rejection probably works like 70% of the time..so as I take some notes..I get specks of dots/lines around where my palm is...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mikejwatkins:
I'm not impressed by the stylus pen so far. Maybe it is much better like they say in HC, but I haven't used it yet, so that was a waste of money.

The Flyer itself is awesome. Good hardware, quality build, great HTC Sense overlay on top of GB. I do like it.

I was unaware that Samsung hadn't released an update for the wifi tab after so long. That is discouraging. But I would really like a device that will see ICS.

If the flyer was dual core and or had a slightly higher resolution screen, I'd definately keep it. But right now I'm still debating.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aarick:
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..

That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
Same here. If I can't put it in my back pocket I don't want it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
I only really have two complaints about the GB Flyer vs. HC. other than the pen.

1. The Sense widgets are huge on GB and the screen grid layout is sized for a phone, not a table. HC looks so much better.

2. The browser in HC seamlessly syncs bookmarks with desktop Chrome and other settings automatically are backed up in a much better fashion than GB.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] jlczl:
EXACTLY
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] silverwind:
I really doubt that HTC will update Flyer. I sent email to them asking about that. Their answer is not satisfying me. They say that I should wait, if there is update I will get a notification. That is really a bad answer !!!

The reason I bought Flyer is for Magic stylus. But, I am really dissapointed. There is no handwriting recognition. I may not need update, but surely I need apps that can maximize the use of stylus....

Cheers...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kkinder:
That happens sometimes with the Flyer too. They're both based on the same technology, but Lenovo's has handwriting recognition.

I do love the 7 inch form factor but, man, the Lenovo tablets are looking really attractive right now, especially with both a stylus and a keyboard.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] tyy10002:
Sorry for the little bit off-topic.

Samsung did upgrade my ex-galaxy tab 7 with GB 3 months ago. After the upgrade, things were smoothly but the chip is still 1G.. playing HD games were still slow. Anyways, I already sold it and bought the 10.1 and it was much faster... and nicer but too big for me.. and I sold it too after I saw a price drop for the flyer.

I am thinking to get the flyer since I really enjoy smaller tablet. 10.1 was nice but too big for me and my kids. I am thinking

1) flyer

2) galaxy tab 7+ (good size dual-core, HC ready and possible ICS in the future)

3) galaxy tab 8.9 (my prefer - I have tried it @best buy, really love the size HC + touchwiz was cool)

may I ask someone who have the flyer

1) do you see/feel any slowness playing games? since it is single-core. my ex-tab 7 was slow sometime.. but my 10.1 was so smooth.

2) how is the pen? my sons like to draw, is it worth to pay 80 bucks to get the pen?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] dbpaddler:
That would suck. I used them on my streak 7 all the time. Kind of a dumb move to render them inactive. It obviously isn't a difficult thing to do, especially if it works on something from Dell.

Sent from my SPH-D700
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ftorres:
In hc, The bar is also still there when browsing the photos so it's a no for me
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
Looks like they're still committed to the flyer, my flyer just recieved an update to 2.27 matching the 2.3.4 ruu Football posted last week.

Come on HC!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kego:
Did it become it 2.27.468.2?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] blue blue man:
Mine is at 2.27.1114.32. I don't care about GB updates anymore. I use the pen a lot so HC will be a big step up. Check this site for HC update news almost everyday. Hopefully it will come before Xmas. Well, it's better not to expect much or you will be more disappointed. :cool:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] mcord11758:
Supposedly a release candidate leak is out. I an running it now via the newest fly honey ROM. I can not find any issues with it. Honey comb is just around the corner
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Yeah, looks like HC is pretty much done. If this a truly a release candidate then might as well say we are there. There won't be any functional changes in the final.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Krinyo:
lol

Just in time, when ICS source code is arrived... :D
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] PTish:
I received this response on facebook:

Sounds like we get an announcement soon. Not sure if "soon" means "8 months". Since the update would also come "soon".
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
It is kind of frustrating when you see other tablets getting HC and then having custom IC roms starting to pop up. It is even more so for us few View owners. I think the flyer will probably have a higher priority because more of those have been sold. I think Sense is one of the hold up on some of the upgrades.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kevinniven:
Flyer update

I think HTC never had plans to update the Flyer! Its only because people started *****ing that they started working on it! Everyone should be sending out tweets!!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] PTish:
New message:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Not sure what frustration is left to be had. The official release won't be significantly different from what we already have so why worry?

Now that the source code for HC/ICS is in public hands, we will see more customization of ROMs. It will take a couple of months, but that's a lot faster than the vendors will do it.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
Unfortuantely those of us with a view aren't able to use the hc rom's that the flyer users have.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Yeah, my mistake, I forgot that its still not running on the View.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ElAguila:
I regret getting the View. I should have gotten the wifi only version.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Kudzus:
+1 also

I think that when HTC announced the Flyer and that HC would be coming SOON, they didn’t take into account the deactivation of the soft buttons and now find themselves in a catch 22 situation.

If HC were to be released as an OTA they would get thousands of complaints about “broken soft buttons” something they and especially Sprint do not want.

This is just my option; if they can’t implement HC with the soft buttons, what we have now is very close to all we will ever get.

They may leak another HC build (since the last one was called RC) for the use of people who frequent forums like this.

Where ever we are, when we see the source code on their Dev site we will know that’s all we get.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
When I had my Viewsonic GTablet I put the Flashback Honeycomb ROM on it and the side buttons still worked along with the HC on-screen buttons.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thetruth1983:
Wanna trade? I'm in Houston...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
We've discussed this before, HC doesn't disable the buttons, HTC made a conscious decision to do that most likely because they felt they were redundant. They could bring them back, but don't count on it. And don't ask about removing the HC system bar, that's not going to happen.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] :
I thought about this when playing around with Honeycomb some today; if you think about it, the hardware buttons would look somewhat redundant just underneath the HC system bar. The same "soft" and hardware buttons so close to each other would look kind of strange.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
yes, and since the Android system bar can't be eliminated.... well they are redundant. Although I do like the hard buttons the way of the future for android is no buttons. Makes the device cheaper to build too (as if I care)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thecaptian12975:
Ok quick question does the pen button still work on HC?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] ftorres:
yes, it is working
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lpasq:
There seems to be no reduced or missing functionality of HTC Scribe when upgrading to HC. You will actually have more functionality. Go for it!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thecaptian12975:
Awesome thank you!
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bsoplinger:
Re: pen: go the Ebay route, $30 shipped from NY. Seems to me to be a real HTC pen. Its a smokey black color not silver. For $50 I can deal with that.

Unless an app was written to support the dual core it will use only one. So for most things the 1.5 GHz flyer will be faster than a dual core 1 GHz device. If you look through the threads here you will see other people commenting that the flyer is faster than some specific Tegra 2 tablet with a dual 1 GHz processor.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sjaak21:
Of course HTC will release (at least) a Honeycomb update. They'll otherwise lose credibility in this very competitive market which no manufacturer can afford to. Question remains how much R&D they are willing to spend on it though..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] AidenM:
I think they should scrap HC and get ready for ICS... more people will buy the tablet that way.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
I would bet that any ICS updates other than the Nexus prime are 4 to 8 months away based on the previous time frames we have seen for GB and HC. It takes a long time to do the kernels, drivers and rewrite of Sense to work on a new version of Android. I'd rather have a working HC ROM now. Google unveiled HC in May, its now Oct. and HTC is still struggling with that 6 months already.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
Some would add they're still struggling with gingerbread. Talk to Thunderbolt owners.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
I had hoped that the new htc tablet Jetstream would help us since its a similar processor (Qualcomm) and they are released with Honeycomb (argggg .3.1, not 3.2), but HTC has priced themselves out of the market again ($699 US on a 2 year contract, $899 no contract) so its likely to be a non-starter.

As much as I love the Flyer, unless HTC catches up with the other vendors on price and software releases, this could be the end of their tablet program.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cnewsgrp:
Agreed, I really don't understand why these companies are so dumb when it comes to tablet pricing.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kenypowa:
Well, AT&T set the price, not HTC.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] aostl:
If they released a honeycomb build and sold it at. 299 people would probably love it
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] barry99705:
What's this "probably" you speak of?
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] cnewsgrp:
Samsung, Motorola, HTC and Toshiba all started at 499 or more price point and have been forced to reduce. IMO it would be smarter to price at 350.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
No kidding... look at today's annoucment.

"Verizon and HTC say Gingerbread update for HTC ThunderBolt coming soon" (2.3.3) LOL:eek:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] tydgilyard:
+1 LOL That is Funny.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thetruth1983:
As much as I would like to believe that the flyer will get an update to honeycomb, I will not hold my breath waiting for one. I believe that they will probably release a updated tablet that runs honeycomb. This is because I feel that the current flyer was designed with gingerbread in mind (hence the hardware keys). It's also frustrating to see that even the "dead" HP touchpad has gotten more updates than the flyer and it even got a update today that adds a couple new features.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] glidersgalore:
Evo View Tab

This is kind of a joke with waiting. I went from the Galaxy Tab 7 to this and some of the apps I used there are not available for this one, same goes for the Evo 3D apps are on there but not my View. I think those who have the Evo View version need to contact Sprint and voice our opinion about the lack of support and the lack of HC, maybe, and just maybe we can get them to do something.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
I try to be optimistic, since we have a beta HC and I had hoped that with the release of the new htc 10.1 tablet Jetstream here in the US , that it would help us since its a very similar processor (Qualcomm) to the Flyer/View and that HTC released it with Honeycomb (argggg .3.1, not 3.2), but HTC has priced themselves out of the market again ($699 US on a 2 year contract, $899 no contract) so its likely to be a non-starter.

Additionally the HTC Sense layer on top of Android is always holding HTC back on updates because they have to rewrite it for every new android update.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] theomni:
I wonder if the soft buttons are giving them problems. I know that HC has on-screen buttons, so I'm curious to know how HTC is going to modify that.

And what annoys me, along with everyone else, was that HTC spoke of the Flyer as their flagship tablet back in February. How are they going to cancel support for it all ready? It hasn't even been 6 months since its release.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
If HTC cannot get their prices down to a competitive figure and cannot catch up with other vendors on software updates they will cancel support by going the way of HP and getting out of the tablet market. HTC enjoyed a huge lead in the Android market when the first phones came out as their first products just blew away the competition, but they have fiddled away their lead and Samsung and others are now on the verge of stepping all over them
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
I agree. What's shocking about this is that HTC was known as a company that was developer friendly and pretty good with software updates. What I've seen from them over the last year contradicts that.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TidBit:
I had Honeycomb 3.1 on my old Viewsonic G Tablet. It had the soft buttons, and they worked too (along with the HC ones on screen).
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] kkinder:
I'm sure they would like to price it lower but there are build costs, especially upfront. You'd be surprised how low the margins are for android oems.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] slotstik04:
I gave up being optimistic and sold my Flyer. :/

If they ever decide to upgrade it to HC, and add more functionality to the pen, i'll reconsider..
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] TDQuiksilver:
I'm sure HTC could program an "off" function in their HC code to turn off the backlights on the buttons and disable them. Bring them all onscreen including the scribe button.

It's a bummer when we are on the eve of the ICS announcement and we're still sitting on Gingerbread on our tablet. :(
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] WhiteCyclone:
It's another case of broken promises from HTC. I bought the tablet with promises that it will be upgraded, but up to now, no news at all.

I don't understand why they want to keep everything secret. Even if there is a delay, they should at least provide an explanation.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Ok, so i saw the preview of Ice Cream Sammy and i have to say ........

Yawn... pretty much rebaked Honeycomb. Not a lot of news for tablets there. Catching phones up to HC mostly. A few neat new apps and optimistic for FUTURE voice recognition improvements. The NFC tap to transfer functions only apply to new hardware so not excited.

My predictions : 6 months for the hardware vendors to adapt and 8 months for the apps to work right. Little impact on the tablet world. I can see a lot of hardware vendors saying it's not worth upgrading current phones and tablets since they don't have NFC hardware.

Most ominous fact is that Google baked in features to accommodate tiered data pricing.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] tiborgb:
I love this very useful HTC Flyer from Best Buy, as it is it's perfect, also would not mind Honeycomb upgrade but if it's risky I would pass, I would miss this tablet computer way to much if I bricked it...

-tibor
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
its certainly some of the best hardware out there. That's why people are so passionate about getting better software

---------- Post added at 08:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:06 PM ----------

Now don't get too excited because it will take months, but if Google releases the source code for ICS and we can persuade one of the Cyanogen developers to shepherd it , we might have a shot at a great custom CM9 rom from the flyer someday. Take a look at this quick summary of new features in ICS. http://www.i-programmer.info/news/83-mobliephone/3214-ice-cream-sandwich-sdk-available.html:cool:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] thetruth1983:
I agree that it works well as is but I do feel deceived since HTC made it seem like honeycomb was right around the corner. No wonder other tablet manufacturers cannot compete with apple. The iPad 1 was released 18 months ago and was just updated to ios5 last week. The flyer is 6 months old and here we are debating if we will see another update. This tablet has so much potential especially with the pen support. Maybe the kindle fire will light a flame under HTC since they are both appealing to the same group of consumers.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] WhiteCyclone:
Well said. I think that the problem with buying highly customized hardware is that it is difficult for the community to come up with up to date custom ROM for it. The secret sauce of the Flyer is the pen and even if we are able to build something from source, we will lose support for the pen.

When they announced the Flyer, HTC promised a Honeycomb upgrade. And many of us (me included) bought it because we trusted them. But after so many months, I feel that I have been taken for a ride. If they had been honest and allow consumers to make an informed choice, then we would have nothing to say.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] sbrownla:
Seems to me they would skip gingerbread and go for honeycomb at least but what do I know...

LG Optimus 3D (T-Mobile/P920)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DilbertZG:
I think that we must convince HTC to bring us Honeycomb the same way we convinced them to release Gingerbread for Desire. So, we want HC on Flyer? Send a lot of email to their support, sebd post to HTC's Facebook page, post on forums and blogs...

Give them bad marketing about their bad suport for devices and they will react.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
worth a try, but I wonder if the support people that man the HTC forums and blogs really have any pull or direct connection. Still it could not hurt. They should be really close since the Jetstream is out now with HC and the hardware is internally very close to the Flyer. Point us to the sources to contact and let's put some well placed concise requests in.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
In my humble opinion (from a tecnical design point of view) HTC have halted development of HC for the Flyer in preference to upgrading it to ICS.

Two main reasons support this...

1, ICS is already being issued in the Nexus after collaboration between HTC and Google.

2, Many app developers are not wasting resources upgrading to HC when they see a large cross-platform OS on the horizon that will give them a greater market.

Remember, ICS is designed to run equally well on phone or tablet, and with SDK 4.0 looking to have better pen integration, the Flyer stands head and shoulders above present devices.

I know I would prefer to wait a while longer and skip HC to get a good upgrade of ICS instead...:)
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Opperhoofd:
And 3, on ICS the virtual buttons will NOT be displayed if a device has hardware buttons. I thinks that suits the Flyer!

I'm already tired of waiting, so a bit more is no problem for me.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Well I hope you are right but I think ICS is months meaning 5 to 8 months out for us. If HTC had something in the wings , they would be tooting their horn already and HTC is not building the Nexus, Samsung is. Htc's next phone Rezound is probably a Ginberbread. Instead the chairman said they will wait and evaluate update for their devices after code release. The source code hasn't even been released and won't be until the Nexus is on the market. Given that HTC is still struggling with GB updates after a year since source code drop, our only real hope for ICS is that after the source code is released someone at Cyanogen mod takes the Flyer and runs a CM9 rom for us. HTC should be on the verge of HC for flyer since the release of the Jetstream with similar hardware and HC 3.1. Who knows if they will make the final push to get HC out to us. Hardware vendors care about selling hardware, they don't make money off doing updates.

The 3rd party developers sat on the sidelines on HC not because they wanted to, but because Google never released the source code. Otherwise the mod guys would have fixed the HC beta in a couple of weeks.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
The source code has not been released 'PUBLICLY' .....;)

It has been in vendors hands for months!

We are discussing OFFICIAL releases in this thread and the Nexus is an official release if I am not mistaken...:rolleyes:
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Yeah I got that, given HTCs track record and lack of noise in the market, I have no faith that they will do anything with ICS for updating their devices rapidly. HTC is not building the Nexus, Samsung is. Htc's next phone Rezound is probably a Ginberbread. I think Cyanogen will be the best hope. And I rellay hope I"m wrong about HTC. but..........
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
????

Samsung????

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_One
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
Samsung made the original nexus, the two successors were Samsung. I haven't heard anything about the nexus one getting ICS, although it may.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] Farsquidge:
Actually all of them were a collaborative effort of Google, HTC and Samsung. Who actually manufactures them is decided by available line-time.

Nexus line-time was Samsung

Nexus One line-time was HTC

In the latest, Google and HTC have done the majority of the firmware for the device and Samsung have given the production line-time.

Dont lose sight that the Nexus range of phones are actually a GOOGLE branding, HTC or Samsung are just the manufacturing body.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bboymickey:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the nexus in conversation right now is the galaxy nexus

Sent from my Evo View 4g
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] bobzdar:
They've also announced that ICS also has native support for pens (hover etc.), so this may be their plan. However, it'll be 3 or 4 months minimum before they could have it ready and at that point the flyer would be 10 months old which is ancient in the tech world...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lpasq:
Fyi...read: http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...ive-active-pen-support-in-ice-cream-sandwich/

...xoom posted...
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] DigitalMD:
Well time will tell, but I'm betting Cyanogen Mod puts a ICS ROM out for a HTC device before HTC does. Anyone want to bet a shot of tequila on that with me?

I'm not disrespecting HTC either, I think they are a great hardware company and I understand that they don't make money doing software for already sold products.
[HTC Flyer, EVO View 4G] lrs421:
Not to divert but...the galaxy tab 7 plus is looking pretty darn nice, just a tad too pricey and a tad too Samsung.