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[General Questions and Answers] The Radius Kid:
Tough question.

iPhones are known for their ease of use,but when they screw up .... lookout.

TBH,the Android platform is nice,once you get used to it.

The removable SD card is a nice feature.

I also like that the OS isn't kept under strict control like the Apple OS.

The removable battery is great too.

BTW: my phone isn't rooted and I'm 53 years old.

I still haven't found anything I'd take over my Sensation and I have looked at all the "superphones" out there.:)
[General Questions and Answers] TheEyes:
There are really only three good reasons to choose a Sensation over an iPhone (4s or otherwise):

1) Cost This is really the biggie for me: because I'm on T-Mo/Sensation, instead of ATT/iPhone, I'm saving over $100 a month on our family plan. That's over $2500 over the next two years, which is unbelievably important for me at this juncture in my life.

2) Hackability Now, I know you can hack your iPhone, but really if you're interested in getting into the nitty-gritty of seeing how a smartphone runs "under the hood" then you want an Android phone. This probably won't matter much to your dad.

3) Screen Size A 4.3-inch screen gives you 50% more screen area than a 3.5-inch screen. In my case, this is important because I have low vision, so the extra pixel density of the iPhone is a complete waste on me; far more important is having everything be as large as possible, so I don't need to break out a magnifying glass as often to read stuff on my phone. This might matter to your dad, especially if his eyes are starting to go (I know it was a consideration for my mom when we were looking for a new phone for her).

If none of those are a concern... then it probably doesn't matter either way which one you choose. If your dad really wants that Retina display, or to brag to everyone that he has an iPhone, then get him an iPhone. If he's addicted to iTunes, or is already very familiar/in love with the Apple ecosystem, get him an iPhone. If you guys want to stick with Verizon or AT&T over T-mo, get an iPhone. Otherwise... get whatever's on sale. :D
[General Questions and Answers] EddyOS:
Comparing the 100% stock Sensation XE to the iPhone 4S - go for the 4S

Whereas I LOVE my Sensation, and I'd never get an iPhone as I don't use any Apple products, my GF has an iPhone 4 and it does exactly what she wants it to do. Battery life is awesome compared to the stock Sensation, but with my personal ROM it's comparable
[General Questions and Answers] DJW6927:
Ha..went through this my self and had exactly the same considerations.

I know its not exactly the answer to your question...but I actually decided WP7 was the way to go for my father. Its also super easy to ease and he totally loves it + you can get some really good value handsets (HTC7 Pro about GBP220 simfree).

I know we all love knocking it - but MS stuff does have some merrit. Lots of us loved good ole WinMo for a long time. But now I think they're designing more for the market you describe you know? Give it some consideration maybe?
[General Questions and Answers] zukа:
Completely agree - the 4S would be easier to use, and faster than a stock Sensation. Rooted, the Sensation is as fast, fluid and nice to use as an iPhone. Unrooted, the iPhone wins hands down, and I imagine the 4S would be even better (although Apple's had the fluidity thing down since the 3GS).

I probably wouldn't buy an iPhone, but they're great for mums and dads and they work really well outta the box.

EDIT: didn't see DJ's post but WP7 is also great for the parents, we got one for my girlfriend's dad who's a complete technophobe and he manages it no problem
[General Questions and Answers] stonew5082:
I think apples integration with itunes and all that would be confusing. Id go android or wp7, which btw is ridiculously easy to navigate.
[General Questions and Answers] mike_ekim:
If I were to get a smart phone for one of my parents I would get them an iPhone, even though I would get Android for myself.
[General Questions and Answers] tigerz0202:
Just because he's older dosent mean he can't use an android phone. I personally prefer screen space so automatically the I-phone loses in that dept. I've really tried to use iPhones before and they just leave me wanting more. If he's gonna leave both phones stock then I would go with the Amaze. The 1 gb of ram on phone makes it really snappy and the Camera is awesome.I personally have a sensation and since all the best features of these other high end phones are showing up here I see no reason to switch phones now. Good luck with whatever you choose
[General Questions and Answers] Simco80:
If he is tuff on phones go with the Sensation. If he isn't iphone 4s. Also what cell provider does he plan on using? Sprint and ATT would be good but Verizon would suck. Also if he uses the internet alot I would say Sensation do to the faster speed of the t-mobile network and better data plans.
[General Questions and Answers] craig1965:
I had to reply to this I'm 46 years old in December and have no problems what so ever finding my way round an Android device

Actually this is my third one to date out of the box they work great

Yet my old mind still has no problems debranding , s-off, rooting and installing custom roms so they can't be that bad if I can comprehend them at my age
[General Questions and Answers] mike_ekim:
Cool. My mom is in her 60s and doesn't know how to check voicemail on her cell. My parents got their first computer about 7 years ago and a month later asked me why it was running really slow; I took a look and found that about 30 instances of internet explorer were minimized. They would minimize IE when they were done and then open another instance later.

They were paying a local IPS for internet access and also paying AOL to view the content they had access to... need I go on?
[General Questions and Answers] EddyOS:
That's all well and good but this thread is comparing the stock Sensation to the iPhone 4S and, I'm sorry, the 4S IS the better phone. Android is awesome but for anyone just wanting a phone to work should get the iPhone as they'll just end up complaining
[General Questions and Answers] craig1965:
Yes you are correct it is getting off topic however that said the versions of IOS I have seen and used for a while I've found it a horrible operating system to work around the android OS is far more user friendly and 1 gig of internal memory is more than enough space for your average person add in the fact the android market has more free apps than apple

My personal choice android by far
[General Questions and Answers] Yekxmerr:
Get the Iphone4s. But if you're father is geek and like to explore, get the Android !
[General Questions and Answers] brusko1972:
My Dad is actually buying an iphone this weekend. He is getting the iphone 4 though and not the 4s. At first he was thinking of getting a samsung but I kinda convinced him that the iphone will be better for him. I think the iphone will be better for mom's or dad's since it is easier to use. My dad is a caveman when it comes to technology so iphone is definitely better for him.
[General Questions and Answers] The Radius Kid:
To me the difference in the two phones is negligble as far as software goes for ease of use.

The "feel" in your hand definitely goes to the Sensation.

If he goes iPhone,BE SURE to turn off voice over [something like that] in settings [accessibilty,IIRC].

Turn off keyboard shortcuts as well in settings.

If you don't,have fun!!!!

Make sure he chooses his phone from auditioning them at the same time,not from media hype.

I chose the Sensation that way .... if I hadn't,I've have probably bought the iPhone and regretted not buying what I did.
[General Questions and Answers] mobikom:
Hahaha his question is like Bruce Willis in Die Hard with table on him "I hate ******s" :D

Ok, here is my expirience, I'll be also Bruce Willis :), since yesterday I have new Sensetion (not xe) and I sold my iphone 4, just to see how is android, I rooted and s-off phone but I'm VERY disappointed in video camera quality sound where I get big distortion if it's on stereo and little les in mono mode. Android is fancy but ios is also good, so when it will start selling iphone 4s in my country I'll say goodbye android, htc, samsung, be away from me :eek: sorry android lovers :)
[General Questions and Answers] The Radius Kid:
To be honest,I found the sound from the iPhone 4 to be about the same quality as the Sensation.
[General Questions and Answers] cwa542:
it depends on if u have tmobile or att, if u have tmobile get the new sensation, its 4g ,comes with 100 headphones, and is just a all around awsome phone. you could get the iphone 4s for tmobile but the stuff you CANT use is 3g/4g, picture messaging, unless u jailbreak but they havnt even came out with a jailbreak for the iphone 4 4.5 yet so idk....but if u have att definatly get the iphone
[General Questions and Answers] knowsnophones:
Wow. Thanks for the replies. It will really help me.

The carrier is not a factor for me as I do not live in the US.

What I am more concerned about is stability and ease of use.

Looks like the iphone 4s seems to the consensus choice at the moment when compared to the Sensation XE stock Sense UI.

Since both phones are not yet out where I live I still have time to do more research. Thanks:D
[General Questions and Answers] vszulc:
If stability and ease of use are your main concerns, I'd say that the two phones are pretty equal.

The iPhone 4S does have better battery life though. And it does have other advantages that over the Sensation for your father.

The UI on the iPhone is prob a little more intuitive, AND it has everything gathered in one spot when it comes to music and movies. Itunes is great for people who want to buy some music or movies easily and quickly.

iPhone 4S also have an awesome camera (Prob better than the new Sensation, though we can't say for sure yet.).

And it does have a pretty big app-advantage. Yeah, there are almost as many apps for Android as for iPhones. But on iPhone it's a LOT less hit and miss than with Android. If your dad has a particular bank or store he'd like an app for, chances are a lot better to find it for iPhone.

But they're both awesome phones, don't get me wrong... And as for the whole "ohnoes! iPhones are CLOSED and LOCKED DOWN!" thing, don't forget that some people LIKE that. You have a nice walled garden with everything that you need easily accessible.
[General Questions and Answers] lewyharvey:
Try the XL Beats!

If storage on the XE is an issue, get him the new Sensation XL which has 16gb of internal storage as well as Micro sd slot. Think this will be my next phone as my trusted Desire is due to be e-bayed off :o)

Here is an excellent place to get the phone http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/p115880.aspx
[General Questions and Answers] Sharpi1:
Dude only Sensation rules.. wtf is eggphone?
[General Questions and Answers] shammanCZ:
this ....

An iPhone has one advantage over any Android device ... you buy it, you charge it, you start it and it works exactly how its supposed to work without you doing anything at all, you dont need no custom ROMs to speed the phone up, you dont need no S-OFF, you dont need no root ... and no you dont need jailbreak, jailbreak is for idiots who have mistaken iPhone with Android device.

All in all, get iPhone, i for myself i regret that i bought Sensation and SGS2 instead of Apples device. Correcting this mistake next month when 4S becomes available here.
[General Questions and Answers] lewyharvey:
Just noticed the XL does not have Micro SD Slot :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] whynot66:
Hi, sorry this is off topic, is there a thread for my device?

I can't find one thanks......
[General Questions and Answers] shammanCZ:
i dont think there is or will be separated forum for "pimped" Sensation, not sure though.
[General Questions and Answers] abs_rio:
The Sensation XE has 4GB of internal memory (original sensation only has 1GB). Also, either a 8gb or 16gb microsd will be provided.
[General Questions and Answers] undercover:
Well, save some dosh and get iPhone 4, not 4s. Still nice phone and has ios5 :)

I don't think your dad would know any difference between two of them, and it's unlikely he needs extra processing power of 4s. Mind you, we, men, are kids till we die, so he might enjoy his games on 4s a bit more ;)
[General Questions and Answers] L8 APEKS:
I'm not so sure...I mean, if they aren't used to anything comparable, and they've never used either device - then they wouldn't know what they were missing and there would be nothing to complain about!

Also, it can be a matter of preference...some actually don't like the look or layout of the iPhone, and with it being a typical Apple device, you're stuck with whatever THEY decide it should feature/do/look like with no freedom to modify, as it takes over your computer turning media files into proprietary formats.

That having been said, if it's "Johnny Q. Public" just looking for a "fun phone", and they aren't the type to customize or modify or consider what features they might be missing, then the iPhone is the clear choice for such "sheeple."

Us Android folk are a little more discerning. ;)
[General Questions and Answers] knowsnophones:
With the current Iphone 4s battery problem, does the Iphone 4s still have a better battery life than the Sensation XE Stock Rom
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
would it be possible now with mango for someone to make a app called Zip Manager or something that lets u d/l Zip and/or Rar files to that app and the zip files are only accessible within that app to open documents and other files contained in them and manage them in that app?

same with mp3 or other files be able to manage them in that app only?

the Free Music app made me think of that... we cant d/l mp3s through the browser and add to the device library but we can manage the mp3s we download through that app and with the paid version we can sync the files over

could something similiar to this be made to manage zip and rar files????
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aphasaic2002:
Due to the sandbox nature of WP7, you can't access the local file system. Also I don't think 1 app can open another app. So for example, you couldn't unzip a PDF and then call Adobe Reader to view it.

One way around this would be for your zip / rar app to download the file, un-compress and then upload it to a folder on skydrive. Then it would be there ready to open and use. I'm pretty sure I read that WP7 can already open zip files, so maybe you can already do this through the browser? What are you trying to download exactly??
[Windows Phone 7 General] tessut:
an other good idea is too contact htc samsung lg or dell to make a app for bluetooth in and outbox and zip app all in one
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
not really trying to do anything in particular I just kno on my tp2 I use to dl music in rar files all the time and documents thru zip folders.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsturbo15:
I have gone from Gingerblur, to Alien, to all the CM7 betas without a single problem.

After installing Faux's 2.0 enhanced kernal on my CM7, I now have a dead region of my touchscreen which is a little above the middle of the screen, 1/4 inch all the way across (horizontally). I verified this by using the touch test app from the market.

It is also very obvious as scrolling is extremely laggy.

I have already tried wiping my phone with fastboot, performing the PDS fix, and then wiping again in recovery and reinstalling CM7.

On top of that, the entire touch screen will become unresponsive at times. For example, I will receive a phone call and when I try to perform the unlock swipe to answer the call, nothing will register. I have to turn the screen off, then turn it back on and try again.

I had been running the CM7 beta for weeks with no hiccups what so ever but even though I am back on 100% 2.4 Motoblur, no fix.

To try to get as close to stock as possible, wipe with fastboot, install 1.83, then download the OTA update to Gingerbread, gets rid of Unlocked logo on bootscreen.

Here are other people with the same issue:

https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/59412

https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/59342

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297626
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alcapone263:
try to go back to stock with a fruitcake. If that doesn't work, flash the gingerbread sbf with rsd lite. Id that didn't work then you probably need a new digitizer
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsturbo15:
Well, I have done some research and others are having the same problem.

Looks like our phones digitizers have a short lifespan and eventually simply fail.

Will be calling for a replacement asap.

OP updated with links to others with the same problem.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MARCuS MARCuS MARCuS:
Also, I've noticed more and more people seem to be getting an issue where there is a ghost finger over the letter q in portrait keyboard.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coolnow:
Seems like a software issue to me. Problems only arise once any flashing has taken place, especially kernels.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kofighterx:
I have the exact same problem. Is it confirmed to be a hardware problem?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MARCuS MARCuS MARCuS:
I have seen the same issue as mine occur on phones that have never been flashed by an end user before.

I should add:

Flashing a new ROM doesn't help.

Flashing PDS doesn't help.

Flashing with RSD doesn't help.

The only thing I've found to help is the Samsung Galaxy S touchscreen booster app. Generally, if I do this a few times: apply any random setting in the app, restart phone, apply a new setting again

The problem goes away for a while.

The problem also goes away and comes back again by itself, but the SGS booster app seems to help.

I have no idea if the issue is software or not. The randomness makes me think it is a hardware issue, but the fact I can make it go away for a while with the SGS booster app doesn't.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekster:
I have the same problem. Sometimes I knock the screen and it is getting better for a while. According to forums, AT&T replaces phones with that problems. But Orange has a ROM with a fix. http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles...4.4.20_Orange_GB_Upgrade_Release_Notes_GB.htm

So, is it hardware or software problem?
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schwiing:
Same problem for me. Took it apart, put in a new digitizer. Problem solved without touching software (Cm7). Not sure if this is true for everyone but for me it was definitely hardware.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Milenko2121:
Your digitizer connector is cracked.

It happens from over heating your phone.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekster:
Ok. Thanx. I will buy it through ebay.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matthew5025:
Evidence please.

Hmmm... Why don't you ask moto to fix it? My screen died in the same spot and moto fixed it.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Milenko2121:
If it was a software related issue, simply erasing system,boot,preinstall,userdata and flashing a new rom or that touchscreen fix for those who messed up their partition would fix it.

Howevever since it's that area (roughly 10% of the screen horizontally) that's the first effected area.

If you're curious as to proof, use the touch screen tester app, and apply pressure to the top left of your screen in multiple areas to cause the digitizer connector to move and it will change according to the touch test app.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekster:
Because I do not live in USA. I bought my phone through E-bay. To fix my phone through official warranty service I should spent much more money than to buy new digitizer.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d3athsd00r:
Try CNN.cn I believe they have a display assembly.

*edit* found it

cnn.cn/shop/mobile-info.php?products_id=11673
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fsturbo15:
ATT will replace your phone if it has this issue meaning you don't have to go through the process with Motorola.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gekster:
Anyway I have no any AT&T in my country too.

---------- Post added at 10:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:04 AM ----------

Tnanx for advise but this one too expensive.

This one much more cheaper:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-NE...aultDomain_0&hash=item19cb8661c6#ht_756wt_906
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] matthew5025:
As in the connector is cracked and overheating caused it. I had the same problem before and I checked the connectors and digitizer. No damage at all and no cracked connectors at all. It is true that applying pressure to the top of the screen causes the screen to register random inputs but after I got the phone back from moto, I found they put some plastic parts to make the top of the phone more sturdy.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M.k.s:
I'm about to wipe with fastboot, where do I install 1.83 after I wipe? Also how do I install 1.83 once I've wiped the phone? It's been a while since I've done anything really with my phone I forgot basic steps.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] M.k.s:
Bump, got some free time before I go back to school and figured I'd do this soon but still don't know how
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] erick161:
on my 3rd atrix in a year...all failed digitizers. just need this one to last until I'm up for renewal
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terminator1983:
check the link you will find all the information there.

THE BEGINNERS (N00B) GUIDE!!! N00BS LOOK HERE FOR YOUR HOW TOs
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gerhardgallardo:
Atrix Dead Screen Zones - Fixed!

I had 2 dead screen zones, (each approx. 10mm). 1 directly above the middle of the screen, and the other immediately above that one.

After partial disassembly, and some playing around with the connectors, realized that the culprit was the connector between the digitizer and mainboard. When I pushed the connector only halfway into the socket, the digitizer worked perfectly.

So I took the thinnest needle I could find at home, and looking through my 10x loupe, applied some pressure on each of the outer contacts of the connector's digitizer-side (the socket) with inside-direction, so as to achieve a greater pressure between contacts when both sides are put together.

There are good Atrix-disassembly tutorials online, but there is no need to take the mainboard or the ID-sticker away, just the back plastic frame (8 screws) and the fingerprint-reader/earpiece/front-camera assembly.

Sorry, no pictures, as I do not want to risk messing things up again! (This whole process felt like brain-surgery!)

I hope this post saves this community a lot of money!!
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ranjithkumar1201:
Can you please upload the pictures of the plastic parts with the phone so that we can find an solution for this long standing issue

Thanks in advance.
[Atrix 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] solohsu:
I'll give it a try before I finally decide to replace the digitizer...