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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
I think sometime peoples expect to much, way to much.

Dissapointed of the Prime? Really ?

1) A way better Screen (TF use a not so good IPS, Prime seems to have the best IPS out there, even said to be usable in daylight wich TF is not. And Tablets are great outside.) With a traitement anti fingerprint on the screen and even on the case (the TF screen is a fingerprint magnet).

2) A way better CPU (even if Tegra 3 is not 10x time better than anything else it still seems to be way better than everything else)

3) A way better camera (ok camera isn't the main propose of a tablet but still, it sound really good, and if it is, you will use it, because it's better than what you have)

4) A way better sound quality (to prove but Asus claims it) (sound is important on a tablet, when you watch movie/video/stream/music/podcast/skype with your head on a pillow. You don't wnat to wear a headset)

5) A way better Batterie life (12h on the tablet only ! (8h for the TF) 18h with the dock, and surely less batterie drain on sleep mode.

6) A wayyyyy better Design (thinner, lighter, sturdier, prettier, with nice color choice: goldish or purplish )

7) A better software (even if ICS is coming to the original TF it will likely be first on the Prime, so in a way that counts as an improvement.)

So, I don't know... What else could they have realistically add hardware wise ?

A 300ppi Display ? I don't think the tech is ready to be mass market and it would really slow down the device and skyrocket the price.

A N-pressure pen ? Yep that would have been awesome, I wish they did but no biggy.

NFC ? Yep NFC is fun, but really, no that usefull in a tablet, it's more of a smartphone thing.

And ....?

I don't know...seems like a really awesome device to me, it blows everything else available on the market for christmas.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
I don't know how close to Christmas they are going to make this but if its not available that first week and a 1/2 of decmeber i'm going to have to get another tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bøygen:
Some kind of mobile connectivety, preferably 4g.

I see that as a necessity in a tablet, and its the reason I probably won't buy this.

Which is kind of sad, because it looks like an almost perfect tablet otherwise.

Also, charging over usb would be great.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ChrisDos:
I don't understand why people are wanting it to have 3G/4G built in. It has wifi and bluetooth. Tether it from you phone. That is my whole plan. Why should I have to pay twice for data for my phone and for my tablet. Tether all the way.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
I don't personally mind the fact that it doesn't have 3G/4G. Sure it would be a great option, but I already have 3G/4G on my phone, which can easily share its fast internet by WiFi tethering, if I need it on my tablet and do not have WiFi around.

It sure would be great if it could use 3G/4G, but it's not a dealbreaker for me if it doesn't have it. Besides, it keeps the price down as well.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bøygen:
I'm willing to pay the extra for 3g/4g, but I can understand that som epeople don't.

It's definetely a delbreaker if a tablet doesn't have it.

Without it, I can almost just as easily take out my macbook and tether from my phone, it not that much bigger and more inconvinient.

It's the convenience that I want in at tablet in the first place, and having to tether from my phone makes it, well not useless, but less convenient :p
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Croptop:
Because when I travel it is far cheaper and easier to activate a temporary, data-only plan for a tablet with a local wireless provider in the country I'm visiting than it is to activate an entire phone plan. And I'm certainly not going to pay the exorbitant roaming fees that my home wireless provider charges.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DaveRichardson:
Like hell I'm going to pay another $30 a month to feed data to JUST a tablet. I'd either tether or buy a 4G MiFi puck.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i think when you travel and your company pays for it..its not such a big deal.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sanpsa:
For the debate of 3G, some of us are more lucky than others. I could get a unlimited 512kbps for 5€ per month, so I would prefer a 3G version...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Croptop:
That's the beauty of most tablet data plans. You don't need to keep them activated all the time. You just activate the 3G account for 30 days when and as needed. So day-to-day when I'm at home, I tether with my phone just like everyone else. But when I travel, I can activate the 3G feature of the tablet for a week or a month. You can't do that as easily with a WiFi-only tablet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bøygen:
I guess different carriers and different countries have different prices.

I am going to pay about $3 a month to feed data to JUST a tablet, and I am more than willing to do so as soon as I find a tablet that covers my needs (or my "wants") :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] G-FACE:
lol, this thing gonna kick @sses.

I love it.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ckoadiyn:
+1
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] starfcker69:
Yeah, this thing is gonna kick ass IN DECEMBER! Talk about messing with the market. Asus basically screwed over the competitors by giving the impression it was "shipping soon"

Better off getting a cheap dual core now and getting a quad in February.

I'll pick up a dual core with the USB ON THE TABLET for $300 - 50% the cost of the Prime tablet and dock. It's so lame that you have to use pay for the dock to get a USB port AND wait another month.

FU Asus. OK, my rant is over, feel much better now :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Tempie007:
I am wondering:

- what the HDMI output resolution will be ( screen 1280 x 800 OR Tegra 3 spec: 2560x1600) ?

- and will it be possible to use 2 screens? (stretching the android desktop - probably not but would be nice to have)

- Are there videoplayers that support DTS\AC3 Passthrough for android? would be nice to use this thing as mediaplayer\center connected to a NAS...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Silenus21:
Sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1.

Can't wait for this. :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] uploder:
sorry. until this thing has been rooted with ease and without any stipulation on which s/n you get all these specs are just a tease.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tomqman:
I think we need to start a attack on asus (and other tablet makers) to start unlocking the boot loaders. Just like they did on HTC
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
So you're specifically talking about international? Because my plan is always to activate the mobile hot spot on my Sprint phone, which can be done on an as-needed basis.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrMuz:
Yes it is awesome, but in comparison to the TF what are the really tangible reasons to upgrade? Unless the CPU (and more importantly some software that can utilises it) are out of this world I see no reason to trade up. That's not to say I won't, because I have new gadget want syndrome.

I was just expecting more somehow, it would be nice for someone besides Apple to set the pace, come spring they will launch an iPad 3 which will be thinner and 1000000DPI and everyone will be playing catch up again :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i don't get your point. right now the ipad2 will have to catch up to the transformer prime before the next transformer catches up to the ipad3. you are saying that just because something better comes out in the future that is the pace setter? I could use the same argument for transformer 3 which might set the pace when it comes out. its always a revolving door on which is the pace setter.

as for the upgrade, why do we upgrade from a computer with 1GB ram, an intel celeron, and 100 GB HD to something like the core i7, 16 GB Ram and 2 TB HD? i mean if you are doing basic tasks such as word and such, you get the same thing with both computer. so it really depends on what you want from your computer.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] voltron2k11:
I'm kinda disappointing about the new dock only having one usb port...

I really like the face that the current one has 2 ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
1. Thinner and lighter. While I like my TF, I do prefer how my wife's Samsung GT 10.1 feels in use. I am REALLY looking forward to holding the Prime.

2. IPS+. I can just barely use my TF outside in the SoCal sun, but it's not very comfortable. I can't wait to have an even brighter screen for use outside.

3. Battery life. I don't very often run out of power, but when I do I'm typically missing about an hour. Tegra 3 should solve that, meaning I should never have to worry about charging during my typical day.

Then, all of the other things, like the improved camera, smudge-proof coating, better touch sensitivity, better sound, should just make the experience better. I'll take a hit selling my TF + dock and buying the Prime + dock, but then again I've gotten plenty of value out of my TF since I bought it. So, I consider it money well spent.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] newtybar:
I can't believe I will have to buy a new dock. That's what bums me out.

Everything else sounds good...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
Their plenty of reason to upgrade from the TF.

I mean, everything down to the touchpad is miles better. You won't have a bigger step between 2 following générations of a product anywhere else.

This is iphone3GS -> iphone4 step level.

Plus you'll make someone very happy on Christmas with an almost brand new Transformer under tree :)

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knoxploration, you re quite the pessimist, aren't you ?

You re basically taking the assumption that everything new about the Prime won't works as advertised.

Right now those claims are the only thing we have so, sure my statement could be wrong and have to be test and approved once the final product is reviewed, but from a theoric point of view all of those aspects seems like a big improvement.

Now if we take into account that Asus, Nvidia and Google are working together to bring this highly anticiped device, and that Asus have a good record of living to the expectation of what they claims we can safely bet that most, if not all of those big upgrades are really going to be that, big upgrades.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] MrMuz:
each to their own I suppose
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] asdfuogh:
Brighter screen would be AWESOME. I tried to use my TF outside, but it's pretty impossible. In the shade, it's pretty decent, but man.. :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
Here's one benefit - that I haven't seen mentioned. Per the photo : The keyboard touchpad is Multi-touch.

Disclosure - I don't own a TF 1, haven't used one with keyboard. But I was lurking when this product launched. IIRC... the TF1 Keyboard was not multi touch. So you had to use the screen to pinch to zoom. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct my statement.

Thanks
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spidey01:
Don't know how it was to start with but it works: place to fingers on the thing and drag it apart or together, as if it was the screen. WFM.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
The touchpad of the TF IS multi touch, or a least dual touch. I do think it's dual touch with a very poor sensibility. Its initial purpose was to scroll in list and between home screen like with 2 fingers like a regular touchpad but they add the pinch to zoom feature in android 3.1. However it doesn't register smoothly, it's stuttering and.... well overall it's ok for scrolling but that's it.

The touchpad on the prime is 10 POINT MULTITOUCH, 10 POINTS !! There s not even the space to pack 10 finger on it ! :D
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Vyrlokar:
You are wrong. It is multi-touch, but I tihnk it's 2 fingers only. I'm not sure if it was enabled in 3.0, but in 3.1 and 3.2, it worked. under 3.2, in fact, you get to see the 2 points if you don't enable the "use cursor with touchpad" under settings.

Still, I see hope for putting the transformer prime in the old dock. It's thinner, but the dock attachment hinge seems to be the same length. This might mean that the Prime will fit the old KB, but not vice versa. In fact, given that the TF101 has a curved back, and is about half as thi on the endges than it is on the center, it might be compatible both ways...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] knoxploration:
Pessimist? No. Realist? Yes. It's bad to make assumptions, they invariably lead to disappointments.

Before the TF101 shipped, we'd all have assumed it had a good rear camera from the spec, and useful audio recording. In actual fact, it has neither -- the rear camera is terrible, and the microphone is almost useless unless you turn the tablet sideways so you can't see the screen, and talk directly into it from less than a foot or two away.

Some things are a definite improvement; the CPU is one of them, and battery life looks like it is *probably* another.

Some things are only an improvement from some people's respects, and a downgrade for other people. Size / weight and dock connection are examples of this.

Some things are a downgrade, such as only one USB port on the dock.

Other things are completely up in the air. We know nothing so far about screen quality, sound quality, build quality, etc. compared to the original TF. They might be better, and they might be worse. There's no way to know.

I think you'll find if you read this carefully that I'm not a pessimist, that I'm being realistic and sitting on the fence, which is where anybody sensible would be with an unreviewed product.

---------- Post added at 10:01 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:15 PM ----------

As others have said, you're wrong. However, there's quite bad crosstalk between the multi-touch locations, so that if you hold one finger still and move the other, the touchpad occasionally believes both fingers are moving significantly.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] GeorgeNav:
This guy

You are absolutely right. You guys gotta admit that Asus has allot of balls being the first to bring Tegra 3 out into the picture with Samsung working on something big as well. I wouldn't be surprised if this tablet could run windows 8 in the near future. All that i know is that Apple's products are lagging behind spec wise as Android built products are blowing Apple's out of the water for better and better prices everyday :rolleyes:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] asdfuogh:
No, the dock is multitouch; that's why Asus made that cruddy cursor.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rirawin:
Hardware is important but more so is software. There's no point of having x cores when the software is not written to utilise it

Android has always had better specs but the library of apps have been disappointing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
Your statement is valid for a few years back.

The state of Android is not like that anymore.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] voltron2k11:
I know that...but I want a nice solution, as mobile and sleek as possible...

It would have been so much nicer having 2 build in!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rirawin:
I think it is still.

Music applications for the Android are disappointing and so is the creative art apps. The Ipad hate it or love it runs circles around it when it comes to that.

Pages, Number beats for me personally the office apps that Android has.

The Media Video playback has features lacking that even the Ipad1 has i.e speed controls, playback in background mode.

Games are sometimes badly ported - not often but its happened.

Comic Reader - Nothing as good as Comicglass or Comiczeal, the nearest is Komik which is slow and Comicrack which lacks distinct features.

PDF Rendering - Good but slow compared to the Ipad2 still.

So I'm waiting until ICS sorts out the kinks which there will be, I never used an Android OS since without finding some issue plus improvement in software which happen as Android is growing bigger and bigger. P
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Wait:

Why have i no performance problems with Komik and ezPDF? :eek:
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] joefloater:
My mistake, and I apologize!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] newtybar:
Joe - I think he is referring to the touchpad on the keyboard...not the device itself.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] combat goofwing:
http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8736619-quad-core-android-tablet-misses-the-point

More media drivell

DESIRE HD using leedroid. ASUS TRANSFORMER using prime
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] rirawin:
I can do a side by side comparision video but PDF do render slower after using the Ipad2 for a while, and the same plus user experience isn't as great when you become accustomed to Comiczeal.Comicglass. Comicrack comes close but the fact it doesn't content into folders from the get go is disappointing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] liquidini:
i had also the ipad 2 and now i am using eeepad with acrobat reader.

the pdf rendering is slower.

hope ics will fix that :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
I wish peoples read correctly each other sayings before bashing themself on the internet but as you can see this wont happen anytime soon.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Cookiekaikai:
Great, that means I should be able to get one in Dec since most people won't be buying
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ExploreMN:
I read the article. The guy is both correct and stupid at the same time. For one, he talks about price being a concern for buyers. That's true, but the entry level price for the Prime is the same as the entry level for the iPad, so from a price point, it's in line with the market.

He says people don't buy based on specs, but that is only part true. People want the biggest bang for their buck. So when the price is the same, things like quad-core over dual-core and 32gb over 16gb looks good to them.

The only part that none of us can REALLY argue is his point that it won't get a lot of attention (compared to the iPad). However, that isn't because of price or specs, but rather Asus does not have a multi-million dollar advertising budget. Apple is in your face all day every day...be it good press, bad press, commercials, financial articles, etc. I don't think I have done a single day without hearing about Apple in some fashion for about the past 5 years. Yet I can go weeks, even months at a time without hearing about Asus and even then it is limited to technical articles, etc.

So he is basically correct in the points he makes, but it's the logic behind his points that are completely flawed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
All depends on how you use your tablet.

I own an iPad2, and I can tell you everything that I don't like with all the apps and the iOS. For example:

- The keyboard, why on earth it does not have lower case symbol shown, and the fact that I cannot access certain keys easily, like the "+". With Android, I can simply exchange with other keyboard.

- It does not have unified file system. If I need to access a video file using different app, I must copy the same video file to the apps location. It's a waste of space. With Android, apps can access the same file.

- Photo sorting is pain in the ass via the default photo/image viewer. I cannot sort based on file name, because it depends on certain exif tags. Bleah!

You see, I can go on and on and on about quirks and annoyances as you can do this as well with any platform.

Anyway, let's not drag this thread into iOS vs Android.

Apologize for the thread starter, but I need to address the comment below.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
And it just drives me batty that some people refuse to use common sense: not only is the entry-level price the same as the iPad at $499, but it's for the 32GB version (vs. the 16GB iPad 2). That's a real difference with real value.

I've also seen people saying that ASUS "raised the price" on the Prime over the TF1. Of course, they didn't: the 32GB TF1 was $499, the 32GB Prime will be $499. By my math, those are equal. And they're still offering the 16GB TF1 at $399. Personally, I think it's a smart strategy.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TrailorParkKid:
Not to mention the expandable memory....
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Spidey01:
That is but personally I don't expect it to be that big a one beyond media. When you've got to load more local music and video, it really turns up the heat.

*Goes and sits in the corner with his 1GB of music while others sit in theres with 40PB of porn*
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] junks2010:
I think the guy is right in the sense that Joe Blow wouldn't care about all that specs. Joe Blow would think that it's the same price, why bother with the "imitation". If you tell people that your tablet is made by ASUS, most of them would say "ASUS what???"

My point is that if ASUS wants to sell as many tablets as the TF1, try to compete with Apple in price, not in specs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I think people are generally smart enough to know that the $499 iPad 2 16GB is somehow less than the $499 ASUS Transformer Prime 32GB. The "16GB" vs "32GB" part is a dead giveaway. For the person who doesn't know the difference and solely looks at price, the $399 Transformer 16GB should be plenty attractive.

And besides, nobody (and I'm sure, certainly not ASUS) thinks the Prime is going to sell MORE THAN the iPad 2--and it doesn't need to. It just needs to sell well enough to give ASUS a return on their investment.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
Totally agree, the 16GB vs 32GB is definitely something that most consumers would understand. Even if they don't understand how much they can store on 16GB, they at least know that 32GB is twice the storage as 16GB.

I think it's a given that the Prime will not be able to compete with the sales figures of the iPad 2. However, I definitely think Asus will get sales that gives them well above a break even on their investment. I think the Prime will easily be the best selling Android tablet for 2011 (I'm not including the Amazon Fire as it's not strictly an Android tablet in the same way as a proper Android tablets).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] TrailorParkKid:
Looks like the Prime won't be the only Tegra 3 / ICS tab around for Christmas.

Lenovo 10.1 Tegra 3 - ICS (Engadget)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mikelt89:
Maybe, but the Transformer will still remane unique due to it's keyboard, it's not just ordinary tablet you know.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
If you click through the photos, it looks like there's a USB port in the tablet
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
That lenovo is 1.6ghz and has 2g ram. That's better than the prime
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
Yep, the article also confirms this with "a standard USB host socket (covered by a not-so-elegant pop-out flap)".

It looks like despite having a full size USB port, it's still reasonably thin.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Wonder what the price will be
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] knoxploration:
It'll also have Lenovo pricing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
wow twice the ram. i wasn't planning on getting the keyboard dock anyways so this is very interesting to me. if it comes in at 499 i think i'd rather have this than the prime. how on earth did no one hear about this until now? no fcc filings? no leaks from overseas parts manufacturers? i'm skeptical this makes it out by the end of the year but we'll see.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
It's definitely impressive