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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
I don't care for the 1/2 gig RAM, and liiiittle faster processor or not. I don't think we'll notice any difference. unless some major big RAM and processor demanding game will be released early next year.

I'll buy the Prime because of the slick designe, the keyboard (a.k.a the dock) and that the specs are more then enough for me.

What do i wanna do with my new Prime

* play n64oid (maybe with a controller)

* draw

* Take good pictures and edit them in different apps

* Maybe write some documents

* play some cool future games

* Impress my friends

* play FPse

* Watch movies on the road

* Surf of course

All this things, my Xperia play already does perfectly, so i think that the Transformer will do it even better.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
1.3ghz vs 2.4ghz isn't a liiiiitle difference if processor speed.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Smyc151:
Well according to this article the Qualcomm chip won't be available until the second half of next year. While it does sound like an amazing processor, I'm not willing to wait that long.

I'll probably end up buying the Prime, then sell it and buy a new tablet next year if I can't find myself able to live without the latest and greatest in tablets. I don't think the Prime is going to be outdated any time soon, so it should be able to fetch a good price next year, with any luck.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
Yeah dude, on a tablet with the limited android apps i think it is. You won't be able to tell any difference on let's say angry birds (which is running on full speed on the Transformer today). It can't run any better then 100%.

You might be able to see a small difference in booting, web browsing and other stuff like that. But for the apps that are available today, i don't think you need 2.4ghz.. 1.3ghz it's more then enough.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
Asus have already proven they know how to handle an android product. They have a strong expérience with the first tf and they seems to have learn from that.

The overall device looks top notch not just the spec but screen campagne sound and everything are said to be great. We don't know anything about thoses 2 other tables, hell we don't even know how the S4 perform.

And finaly, nvidia know that they need games to sell their tegra. I would bet that every major title will be tegra 3 optimized and it will be the bottle neck for every game of the incoming génération, even if you have a slightly better GPU, no one will use this additionnal power.

Nvidia played their card well, and Asus did too, hell even google is helping Asus on the software side. I'm definitly going for the Prime.

Now I hope the distribution wont be as chaotic as every other Android device.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'm guessing that the Qualcomm processor will come out about the same time as the Tegra 4, with both hitting sometime in the second half of 2012. Bottom line is, the Tegra 3 will be competing against dual-core chipsets in the meantime, and should wipe the floor with them.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
I'm not generally a first adopter of technology with my free spending dollars, but I skipped the Tegra 2, so the Tegra 3 looks like the one for me.

How long should I be waiting til the product has been out to work the bugs out of early production units.

* 1 or 2 months?

* right out of the gate ?

- OR -

* is this something that shouldn't really be a concern, since Asus has already made the TF1 and any hiccup will most likely be software related and correctable via by updates?

I'm hoping to be with the tablet for 2 years before upgrading, don't want a lemon...

Thanks
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Normally I'd worry about such things, but ASUS has done such a good job updating the TF that I'm sure any issues will be resolved in a timely fashion with the Prime. In fact, it's how well ASUS has supported the TF (much better than any other Android vendor, IMO) that has me so excited about getting the Prime as soon as possible.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
I guess except going for an ipad you wont find better than the Prime. Every single flaw that had the TF were quickly patch by Asus and repare when it was an hardware issue.

Its a second gen product finely craft from the expérience of the first one. Software is partly supervized by Google, the makers themself. Tegra is a safe bet too. It's an highly anticipated device, It's basicaly the flagship for Android Ice cream sandwich on tablet.

Bottom line, they wont screw it up.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Well dude, what about games that will come out after the prime that are designed for higher speed processors? I'm not talking about angry birds I'm talking about very highly detailed games like the shooter game in the youtube video that was linked earlier. Games that are high definition with lots of detail.

With this processor coming out there will be some games designed to take advantage of the higher speeds and the gpu
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Yes, and there's very little possibility of anything coming out in the next year that the Tegra 3 won't run very well. And by that time, the Tegra 4 will be out. Bottom line is, if you think you're going to ever buy a gadget nowadays that's going to keep up with this incredible progress we're seeing, then I have some land in Florida I'd like to sell you...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
I never said I expect anything to keep up. I was simply saying that there is a big difference between 1.3ghz and 2.4ghz and _terror_ said there wasn't.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gls9:
In Europe it will be available in Jan.

Only in 32GB with dock or 64GB without dock
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Yes, that's true enough.

However, this has to be stressed: the Qualcomm S4 quad-core running at 2.5GHz won't be out until the second half of 2012. So, it's really quite meaningless to compare the S4 at 2.5GHz to the Tegra 3 at 1.3GHz--it will be far more meaningful to compare the S4 to the Tegra 4, which should be out at the same time and which should be capable of running at the same speeds.

The real point is, anybody buying at Prime today with a Tegra 3 running at 1.3GHz will be getting likely the best performing device for the next year or so.* And that should be fine for anyone who understands that any device they buy today will absolutely be outclassed within 12 months--and that will always be true even if you wait nearly a year to buy something else.

*Okay, maybe not a full year, depending on when the S4/Tegra 4 ship. I'm guessing it will be closer to the end of the year, but even if it's sooner then the Tegra 3 will be the best thing going for the next 6 months at least. Personally, I can't imagine waiting 6 months for something "better." I'd rather use the darn thing in the meantime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kanariya:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/18/nvidias-jen-hsun-huang-quad-core-tegra-3-tablets-will-drop-to/

NVIDIA's Jen-Hsun Huang: quad-core, Tegra 3 tablets will drop to $299 in a 'couple quarters'

This is good and bad news for me.

I want to get the prime. If what he says is true. The Tegra 3 tablets will be one thing that depreciates the fastest.

Losing 40% of initial value in maybe half a year?

He is totally not helping to sell more hardware with what he said.

He made me think twice. I guess I can wait as a tablet isn't that much of a necessity for me.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] e.mote:
>He is totally not helping to sell more hardware with what he said.

Truth is always a good thing, even when--especially when--it causes you to rethink your belief.

Since ICS didn't make the holiday season, 2nd-gen Android tabs have been sparse. Aside from the mentioned price drop, I expect better Tegra 3 tabs (higher resolution, full USB, etc) early next year, with ICS onboard.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Well, first, a "couple quarters" is six months. So, sure, by the middle of 2012 Tegra 3 tablets will be available in the $299 price range. Note that he didn't say that every Tegra 3 tablet will be $299, but that there will be some kind of Tegra 3 tablets at that price point. Indeed, today there are dual-core tablets for less than $300 (indeed, the TI OMAP 4430 Kindle Fire is $199). There's absolutely no reason to think those tablets are going to have the screen tech and such that a product like the Prime has.

Second, nothing he says means that Tegra 3 tablets will "depreciate the fastest." I think that there will be tablets at this price point running all sorts of chipsets. It's inevitable, really, and of course a good thing--all of these tablets will be running ICS and the more tablets sold, the more developer support.

In fact, the only company who's really going to get hit hard is Apple, which won't be able to sell its hardware at such huge margins for much longer. And note that Apple MUST sell at high margins, or else they'll see their stock price plummet.

As far as impacting today's sales, I don't think it will. Most people aren't going to put off their purchases today in anticipation of something cheaper in six months. Some will, sure, but really, how many are going to take one CEO's word about what might happen sometime in the future as a reason not to buy a great product today?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
oh snaps the lenovo tablet might be 1080p!! if its 499 and comes out by the end of this year i think i might have to skip on the prime.

http://androidcommunity.com/lenovo-...920x1200-resolution-full-hd-display-20111118/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] newtybar:
ASUS won me over with the TF.

Very good update support and seem to care about the tablet community.

Lenovo just mass produces things. Also I don't like the back of tha tthing.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
i don't have any brand loyalty to any company so whoever delivers the better product at the right price will get my money. competition will only make things better for us as consumers though. if nothing else if one person who was planning on getting a prime gets the lenovo instead, that means that's one more prime available for someone else. we don't know how much supply there will be so it could be a huge issue. i'm excited to hear a formal announcement with specs and price from lenovo but they don't have my preorder yet.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
If those specs are true (1920X1200, 2GB RAM), I highly doubt it'll be $499.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
I your so right my friend. Plus, if you wait like 6 months for the tablets today to drop in price, there will be a new tablet with some new crazy specs that you want and your back to square one again. :)

I say, buy today - sell later and buy a new one.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] mikelt89:
I say buy when you really need one, unless money grows on trees for ya..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
I don't think that's such a good argument. Nobody really "needs" a tablet. People have manadge to survive without them for years and years. So your argument is pointless IMO. But i still get what you mean.

Everyone for them self. As simple as that.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
lenovo's upgrade support has never been good and i think its foolish to think that it will be good in the future. unless there is xda support for this tablet it will fail just like the rest of their tablets.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xmtsystems:
I just sold my TF101 in anticipation of the Prime. I've got my $650 ready and waiting for the Prime+keyboard dock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
You know, people managed to survive for hundreds of thousands of years without the wheel. :D

Seriously, the whole "you don't need that" argument seems silly to me. Need, want, desire, whatever, it's all the same thing. If something will enhance your life more than the money you spend on it, then that's all that really matters. And certainly, it's a very personal decision--nobody else can ever say what you "need" or just "want" or in general how your money should be spent. So in that respect we're in complete agreement.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brachiopod:
The new machines always look like they will be better, but then in real life they often aren't. For example, on the front camera, more megapixels aren't really needed for what it is used for, and if the lens turns out to be slower, it will actually be worse for video chat. The current front camera lens is very fast and amazingly good in low light, did they keep that or did they sacrifice low light ability for more pixels? What about the rear camera, are they keeping the dust out which is my main problem with the TF? (not that I'm going to carry a tablet around to take pictures anyway) As for the speedy processor, will that really help with anything I do? Will I notice a difference when browsing? How about battery life, will that be better or worse? I'll wait to hear some reports on the Prime from current TF owners. I'm not above buying a new device if it is better, but if it is just more of everything including price with no benefit, then I'm not so excited.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] morphiend:
their tablets probably failed because like most android tablets they were under spec'd and over priced. consider if the bootloader for the lenovo is unlocked while the prime is still locked? would you take a chance on the lenovo tablet then? what's wrong with seeing all of our options before blindly dismissing one of them?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] knoxploration:
I keep hearing people complaining about dust and the rear camera on the TF101, and it baffles me. Are you complaining that you can see dust under the lens, or that you actually see some negative result in your pictures? Because frankly, the rear camera on the TF101 has such terrible picture quality in the first place that I'd be completely amazed if you could even notice the effects of dust in its images.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
haha what?

You NEED food, water, air, sleep and take sh*ts to survive. You don't lets say alcohole to survive, but you might want it. So yes, there is a difference between "want" and "need" :)

I don't NEED a tablet, but I WANT one. Well i got one, the Archos 101 which sucks. Any way, I'm not gonna argue with you over this any more. I'm just here to talk about the upcoming prime :)

BTW:

I saw a youtube clip of some swedish guys from a page called sweclockers.com, they said that they've recieved info that the Prime will launch before ´xmas :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ckoadiyn:
U get a cut bite or infection your Going to need alcohol so yes need it :p.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] delpiero223:
Where did You get this information?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] voltron2k11:
Wrong! (well the first part)

Resellers start shipping starts in the 49th - 50th calendar week...

So it will make it before Christmas ;)

The Part with the versions is correct ... both will cost 599€ ;)

cheers!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Do you have a source? I only know a german store which posted this date. But AMD didn't want that this date should published to the public. I don't understand why Asus is not giving out a date...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Did you read my entire post? By your definition, we don't "need" any piece of technology. So, trying to make the distinction _for someone else_ of what's a "need" vs. a "want" is ridiculous.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Bulgarien:
NO WAY! :rolleyes:

Never, never and never a product from Archos again. The hardware is cheap and fine, but the Android software from them is crap with millions of bugs that never get fixed. Now your are warned!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
there is nothing wrong with more competition. i think its a good thing that lenovo is trying to get a tegra 3 tablet out before the holidays. right now i have a g2x and i've seen what lack of company support can do to a phone. lucky there is cyanogenmod and xda to help it out. if lenovo does not get a xda support (which it doesn't have currently) we would be really screwed. that why i would be less willing to take the risk with lenovo. however, i think competition with asus is definitely a good thing for consumers.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sdelliott31:
Right now if you do a Google for best tablets of 2011 the Transformer is anywhere between 4-2 in the the top 10 tabs. I have been frustrated with Android and had mine for sale and was going to the Ipad 2. I thought about actually losing firmwate specs and the dock, just to go to a better polished OS. Then I read about this getting ICS, and compared to other android tabs, this has the most bang for the buck. So I #m happy with what I have.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
really? i didn't know that humans always have used alcohole to clean their infections? Thank god for alcohole or we wouldn't be alive!!

...hope you notice my sarcasm.

---------- Post added at 11:45 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:42 AM ----------

my point is that no body needs a tablet. and you know that's true.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Are you trying to convince people not to buy a tablet? I don't understand the need argument.

You don't NEED a car or a house or power or a job or money or Internet or a cell phone or toilet paper... There are a lot of things we don't NEED but we WANT these things to improve our way of life.

There are hundreds of things we use every day that we don't need to survive so you saying someone doesn't need a tablet is a useless argument.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Sib64:
For people who are interested:

News: November 17th, 2011, 11:11 GMT

Asus Transformer Prime Up for Pre-Order On Amazon Germany, Keyboard Dock Included

and this:

News : Nov 18 AT 4:29 PM

ASUS Transformer Prime up for preorder on Amazon
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I think you have no desire to actually hear my argument, so...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
the reason i'm arguing is because i red "I'm waiting until i need a tablet". And i think that's dumb because nobody needs a tablet. Just say "I'm waiting until i really want a tablet. or find one i really want".
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] tumpy:
what the hell were you reding, i thought it was reading, posting **** like this no one will take you seriously, i would think most of your post here is among the same bs line..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brachiopod:
Yes, only an idiot would complain about this.

As for does it affect the picture, it looks like it might, but since I can't remove it (it is under the protective cover, the lens is the thing in the middle), it is hard to compare.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] knoxploration:
That's certainly not normal (none of mine have been remotely like that), however given how dismal the picture quality is with even a perfect lens, I highly doubt there's any noticeable difference with even that much dust.

All you'd notice from that is either visible dust specks if the dust was within the depth of field (which is unlikely given the fixed aperture, except maybe with extreme closeups on a bright background), and a slight decrease in contrast (which the TF101's camera already has such poor contrast that I highly doubt you'd notice any difference).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sunseaker:
Why are we in Europe forced to purchase the dock with the 32GB version? At €599 that puts it firmly in notebook territory. I can't see the logic in forcing people to get a dock. Surely this is going to hurt sales. Makes no sense to me. Looks like I'll be getting one from the US.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ckoadiyn:
Isn't the euro worth more then our money atm?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] delpiero223:
It will be available without Dock for sure. Just not already revealed with price. I think it will be available for 499€.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] voltron2k11:
Yes it is! 599 Euro = 805 USD (In Germany prices include Taxes)

But it`s still crazy having to pay so much more :(
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] htowngator:
So what does everyone think now that it's obviously not coming out in November?

Hopefully in the next few weeks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] delpiero223:
It will definitely come 2011.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
Just to follow the tradition ... "It will be postponed ... to early 2012 "

For sure ...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
Well, they never said it was coming in november.

They said there would have been an official presentation the 9th of november and we could guess it would have been released the day after, but in the end they cancelled it to, from what we heard, released it with ICS onboard.

Nvidia was going to make their official presentation of the Tegra 3 chips during the same day with the transformer prime as a prime example (ahah) and obviously didn't want to reschedule. So Asus was forced to release some informations about the tablet without doing a proper presentation.

Now, where are we ? Well, waiting for the new press conf.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Asus said that december is the date for the usa.

For europe it's not so easy: Asus benelux said over twitter that the Prime is coming to them early 2012: http://twitter.com/#!/ASUS_BENELUX

Asus Germany said that you can buy the Prime in 49/50 week of this year.

But it's funny that they can't give a date.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Charnwooduk:
Out of interest, are the keyboards universal or different for each country......

i.e. if I order a prime from Germany, will I end up with a euro keyboard
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
The only difference between the keyboards should be the layout of the keys. I have a US-Transformer and a german keyboard and have no problems - besides that i must change the internal keyboard layout after a firmware update.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] demandarin:
Hey fellow Atrix owner..lol I see we both want this beast of a machine that will drop. I'm ready to dish this iPad to my woman and get this sick piece of technology.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] brachiopod:
Well, I don't actually have a use for the rear camera, so they could have just left it off as far as I'm concerned, but there was a whole thread which I am too lazy to search for, and this was not an untypical amount of dust. One guy even opened his up to clean it. I got some improvement with compressed air. Probably just reflects the environment where I use it. The front camera however; we don't need more pixels for video chat, but low light sensitivity is really important to keep the frame rate up in most real world locations.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] parmend:
not sure if anyone saw this, i knew they were in the works for phones

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/cyanogenmod-ice-cream-sandwich-for-tablets-in-the-works/
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
Tiger Direct - taking Preorders now

$499 Champaigne

$499 Grey
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DaveRichardson:
If this $500 rumor bears out, I'm not gonna regret buying my TF for $300 (Staples sale) one bit. To think, I was worried about the 'inevitable' TF2 unveil way back in July.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
Ya it does seem expensive. But I would still say that it would be better than the ipad2. I regret not getting in on that deal on newegg that had the tf01 and the dock for 399. But that lasted like a day and I did not see it until it was over.