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[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'll be sticking with ASUS for two reasons:

1. Their support, particularly in terms of updates, has been outstanding. I trust them more than I trust anyone else right now (and my experience with Lenovo has been worse than my experience with Samsung)...

2. The keyboard dock makes the Prime so damn special. Gotta have it.

The extra speed isn't terribly important to me (I'm guessing the Prime will be plenty fast for anything it'll need to do), and the 2GB is attractive but not so much that 1) I'd take a chance on buying an unsupported device and 2) I'd be willing to give up the keyboard dock.

I mean, come on: it's going to be thinner/lighter than the current combo, and offer even better battery life. Seriously.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
Looks like HTC will be entering the Tegra 3 tablet Market in Feb too.

Source
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I believe HTC won't be releasing until Q3, however.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
This is so very true. In the past I've not put manufacturer support as an important factor when choosing devices and then getting annoyed when updates get delayed (or skipped). The Prime ticks all my boxes and I'll probably end up getting this even if there's a higher spec tablet available at the time of the Prime's launch. Purely because, Asus has proven that it is able to release timely updates and properly support the devices it releases.

Tablets are generally devices that aren't changed as much as mobile phones and thus I think manufacturer support is even more so important.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jerrykur:
If you are referring to the new TF2, $499 for the new low end (32 GB) and $599 for the 64 GB model.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
That's the price in the US. In the UK, there are strong reports that it'll be priced at £499 for the 32 GB which is typical rip off Britain. I suspect, the rest of Europe will have higher prices than the US. While the US may see the release in December, I don't think UK will see it until January 2012.

Not getting in time for Xmas is a bit of a downer but on the plus side, at least I'll get a chance to read plenty of journalist and customer reviews before I pull the trigger on buying one (and thus hopefully no nasty surprises).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DarsVaeda:
They appeared on a german shop which is actually quite known.

Says that they will be available week 50 (12-18 December).

http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/tablets/asus+tablets
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
Can't wait!! I want it now. I got an Archos 101,which sucks.. Thought I would buy a TF, but I'm waiting for the prime :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ExploreMN:
Looks like a stylus icon in the menu bar too. That makes it more tasty for me! I'm waiting for a tablet that has solid stylus support for note taking. Considered the Flyer which is only $299 at Best Buy...but...well...I want more. LOL
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] raze1000:
Prime or not now?

Lenovo bringing out a quad core tegra 3 pad soon.

Gonna wait this one out and play with my tf101 for a while.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
Strange argument.. "I'm waiting until something better is coming out". There will always be something better coming. So either you wait forever for a better device, or you buy one and upgrade at a later point :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] ExploreMN:
Personally I look for not only the best, but that which does what I want or think I want to do. So, if I need to wait 6 months for a Tegra 3 with digitizer, I will. However, if none of these offerings look like that is in the cards, then I may "settle" for one of them and just upgrade when the technology catches up with my desires.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i think what people were trying to say was that there would be more competition which might result in a better deal for the prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Smyc151:
I'm really kind of disappointed with the Prime. I was going to get the first Transformer a couple months ago, then heard the next generation was soon to be released, so I've waited. And now find out it's only marginally better specwise. The Lenovo's specs are what I expected from the Prime.

I'll probably still end up getting it because of the keyboard, which is a big reason I wanted it (helps with taking notes in class, and doing homework while at work. The battery on my ancient netbook just isn't cutting it these days), but can't help but feel a little let down.

It is beautiful though, so that's a plus...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
You dont seem to get my point. Let's say for instance that you guys don't buy tf prime for instead buy another tablet in feb next year. But when February comes, you'll read about another tablet which will be released in the summer. So you wait until summer, but you find out that yet another better tablet comes out during the winter.

You see what I mean? There will always be new tablets coming out that you want. I can only speak for myself when I say that if I was one of those "wait for the new better one", i would never had bought a nice phone, tablet or computer. Just saying :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i think to some people the deal matters more. plus having more choices is never a bad option. I think people realize that there will always be a better one coming up. to me i just like getting good deals..which usually isn't the "latest" and greatest device but i'm okay with being one off from the "latest" as long as the deal is good.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Smyc151:
I get your point. But I don't currently have a tablet, because it's taken me ages to save up for one. And I know I won't be able to afford one in the next few years, unless schools realize that graduate students are poor and lower tuition costs, which I think is quite unlikely ;)

So whatever I get now has to last, and I'd like it to take anything that can be thrown at it, for the next few years. I just want something that's REALLY good now, so that in a few years it'll still be kinda good.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i just saw this today today. the more competition the better i say.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Please explain how the tf prime is disappointing?

If the lenovo has the same processor and its clocked at 1.6 that means the prime can easily do the same (once it's rooted) or even higher correct?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
not a letdown but the lenovo tablet spec wise seems better.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...gb-of-ram-and-ice-cream-sandwich-all-onboard/

2gb 1.6GB..finger scanner...pretty cool stuff.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
i'm pretty sure the prime blows lenovo on every other aspect than the RAM.

Screen, camera, sound, everything.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
The finger scanner is cool but probably a pita to use or easily hacked like a finger scanner on a laptop.

2gb ram is defiantly better than 1gb but is it needed for what most people will use the tablet for?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] konawayne:
Pretty much, look @ the lenovo tablets now, no one even knows of the lenovo thinkpad tablet. I don't think they even have a forum here.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
also the fact that they are running tegra 3 @ 1.6 GHz same with the ram..prime is running 1.3 GHz if i'm not mistaken. if it is $50 less..it might be something to consider...hopefully by the end of the year.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
Hey guys. Excuse me for using this as my first post but I've been lurking for a while and searching for all possible information about the TF101 or the TFPrime.

Black Friday is coming up and the TF101 is being sold at $250 with the dock for an extra $100.

Is it really worth it to wait the extra month AND spend almost TWICE the money to get the Prime? Especially on a tablet, a device that I'm using when I'm away from the desktop. (Do officework, casual games, watch movies, Facebook, browse internet/YouTube/Vimeo) What do you guys think? The mainpoints of the Prime being that it has a longer battery life, thinner appeal, sports the Tegra 3, and that it is going to be running the Ice Cream Sandwich (but then again, can't they have the Ice Cream Sandwich for the TF101 as well)

I haven't had any experiences with the Transformer yet, so any extra input would be nice.

Thanks.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
other than gaming you would be fine with the current TF101. they are getting ICS for TF101 same as the prime. tegra 3 provides better graphics for higher quality games. if you are looking to play games like angry birds, then tf101 is for you. for videos, the tfprime will be able to play 1080p videos smoothly. i'm not sure if you can do that in the tf101..but some people might be able to help with that. sooo it really depends on your usage and from what you said i don't think you will see a significant difference between the two...unless ofcourse you are a techie and want the best!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] :
Yeah but the thing is, what constitutes as "higher quality games"? I've been looking on YouTube and it seemed like that games like Shadowgun run pretty smoothly on the TF101. I am a techie (just not a tablet techie haha).

Does anybody have prior experience with 1080P? I'll be looking forward to storing movies on my TF101 and connecting them to a HDTV. I've been looking at videos on YouTube, it SEEMS smooth. But I feel as if it's one of those things, you can only tell by experiencing it (Like watching somebody run BF3 at 30FPS and 40-50FPS on YouTube looks the same).

And this is for the TF101 users - is there anything on the device that really makes you say "Oh I really wish I had a quad core"?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] nook-color:
As a future consumer who'll be upgrading my Nook in the next few months, I think the case for the TF prime is future proofing, battery life, form ( thinner and lighter ), and Games yet to be produced.

I'd be interested to hear responses to what the TF1 can or can't do now, but leaning toward the Tegra3 Prime because it should last me 2 years without a yearn to upgrade til they get 2 more mobile CPU cycles.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] IT Wannabe:
I don't know if this is old information, but I just ran into this page on the nvidia website showing the full specs for the Prime:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-asus.html

I hadn't seen the built-in subwoofer or the rear camera flash mentioned before. It also points out the use of a 5th cpu core for low-power usage (the tegra2 SoC has a 3rd core for low-power usage, too, but you also don't often hear about it... I believe it is an older/slower ARM core).
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] dev.ru:
For some reason, they doesn't offer cheapest variant, 32GB w/o dock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kokusho:
I wish I had a quad core, when android is not as smooth as it should be.

I wish I had a quad core, when I use splatchtop remote HD and remotly surf with chrome on my computer because there is still a HUUUuuuge (really huge) difference in speed for basic browsing.

I wish I had a quad core, when typing in the browser is a pain in the ass.

I wish I had a quad core, this morning, when adobe release their creative suite for tablet and processing multiple layer, applying effect, and overall drawing could be much smoother with 5 time more power.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
On paper Lenovo may seem better but don't forget, manufacturer support is an important factor. No point getting a tablet if the manufacturer drop support for it within months of it's release. You can kiss goodbye to all those future official Android OS updates that make Android 4.0 even better.

Also, looking at the Lenovo pictures, does anyone get the impression it looks like it was built in the back of some garage? Look at the flap for the USB port, very flimsy and cheap looking. Likewise with the surround for the fingerprint scanner, it doesn't even line up properly.

The Prime seems to ooze top quality so I'll be waiting for the Prime.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] raze1000:
haha

think i started another debate there mentioning the lenovo.

I will always get the latest tech as soon as i can and sell on the old. I realise though not everybody is fortunate enough to be able to do this.

Had my TF1 for just a couple of months and now and already looking at a prime or lenovo or whatever else bumps up the specs :)

My initial point was one of excitement really. When similar spec pads are due out in a similar timescale surely that has to be better for us.

I am quite happy to play with the TF1 for a tad longer but if a new pad comes out which proves to be a much more fun and better experience then yes i will go and get it.

The Gadget industry has never looked better :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
you are right. that is also my main concern. i've had that experience with LG G2x and don't want to go through that again unless ofcourse this new lenovo is rootable. If it is rootable then we can just get roms from here and we should be good to go but i think i would rather get the prime knowing that it will have more support/build quality. I just wish they would have put in 2GB of ram then we would be all set.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
Really? But if there's no noticeable difference between a tablet with 1GB RAM vs 2GB then what does it matter? I don't think there's enough information/reviews of the Prime to be able to say that the Prime needs more than 1GB RAM. Likewise for the 1.2GHz speed vs 1.6GHz. More doesn't necessarily mean better. Having that extra 0.4GHz speed may not yield any noticeable difference in performance but may yield a noticeable reduction in battery life (there just isn't enough information to make that call).

Therefore, it's best to wait for the flood of hands-on reviews before making "I wish it had this or that" comments.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
it can't hurt to have more can it? but you do make a good point in regards to the battery life. i was thinking more in terms of gaming.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnchad14:
Admittedly the RAM is a bit worrying, clearly not for much now, but who knows if it will play into future proofing. Can someone work on the slap a stick of RAM into the dock hardware mod? Thanks!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
i think it will really depend on what the "norm" becomes. i know when i got the LG optimus 2x (g2x here in the states) it was the first tegra 2 phone with 512 MB ram. now phones have standardized to 1GB ram tegra 2 and software are developed as such.

the more i think about it...the more i think i should let the tegra 3 battle play out before i get my tegra 3 tablet. i don't want to get stuck in the same boat that i did with the g2x.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
Check this baby out!

MOD EDIT: Please watch the language, kids read this forum too.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Wow that looks great! Very smooth no lag or slowdowns that I could see
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnchad14:
I don't think you should be afraid of buying, everyhing moves so fast now quick obsoletion is inevitable. I'm going for a prime because of its unique attributes...the dock and what it brings. I also feel asus is doing well as a tablet manufacturer, with the attention paid to fixing issues. I have no laptop so its a niche that will give me a good benefit. G2x is still a fine phone, btw!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drewmor:
I agree!! The g2x is fine now it has gotten its update. It was LG that ****ed that up. And it's not fair to put asus in the same boat as them. By all accounts it wasn't Nvidia that ****ed up, so the prime will be my Christmas present for myself when I get to the states!!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] chatch15117:
i called asus and the supervisor confirmed the stick is temovable. so its a matter of addressing the extra.1gb in bios/hal or whatever android and arm use
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] parmend:
I know what ics does for the phone but does it do for tablets ?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] drewmor:
If I understand things right it should do pretty much the same thing. It's designed to unify the two with one OS. I guess it will more or less be the same experience on both smartphones and tablets
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnchad14:
Wow wouldn't have expected the RAM to be removable. Interesting :)
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] DarsVaeda:
I have tried to get a statement from ASUS Germany about this because it was also not mentioned in the news that a pure 32GB Prime will come.

They answered me but totally ignored this part.

I think they will not sell a 32GB Prime without Dock here in Germany at least.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
If the ram is removable does that mean it's upgradeable?

Does the Os automatically recognize how much ram is installed or is the amount programmed into it?
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Smyc151:
Mind you I know extremely little about this sort of thing, but judging by pictures on this site, I'm not entirely convinced the RAM is removable.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] johnchad14:
Yeah it sure doesn't, at least not without skills above what I'd being willing to do in a practical sense. Nothing wrong with a little dreaming though. The elpidra chip next to the tegra processor is noted as the ram module on the site...it's on pic 10
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] IT Wannabe:
The reason the TF101 comes with 1GB of RAM, and the reason Lenovo is going with 2GB of RAM are both functions of the capabilities of the Tegra2 and Tegra3 SoCs. The Tegra2 supports a maximum of 1GB of DDR2-760 or LPDDR2-733, while the Tegra3 supports a maximum of 2GB of DDR3-L 1500 or LPDDR2-1066.

So, the current Transformer is using the maximum amount of RAM supported by the Tegra2. The Prime will support up to 2GB of RAM, assuming you could somehow manage to solder it in, but even if you can't add more RAM, the RAM it has will be faster than the RAM in the TF101.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Techno79:
I guess Asus have to find a good balance. If they future proof the tablet too much then it'll increase the cost (which would price out some potential buyers) and could impact sales of their next device (i.e. there is less to improve in the next range topper model).

In terms of intensive games, I can definitely see how 1.6GHz proc and 2GB RAM would be useful (or future proofing for those buyers). However, this is a relatively small % as most buyers do not do gaming (or only play the less intensive 2D or simple 3D games).

I reckon a tablet with the hardware spec like the Transformer Prime should easily be able to handle the latest games for a year or two before it starts showing its age.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
I'm hoping it will be good for a couple of years! I don't want to have to drop another $499 for a new tablet next year!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
GAAAAH! When is this bad boy coming out?! Can't f-ing stand the wait anymore..
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kristovaher:
All signs point to December release in US, right before Holidays (possibly the first half of December) and January release in EU. There's a slight chance it might arrive in Europe before that, but if the original Transformer has taught us anything, then Asus is not that capable with big launches and limited stocks, so it makes more sense for them to push all the stocks to US and be able to get better noticed, than split the effort.

But anyways, it certainly won't arrive this month.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] jblah:
lets hope its the first week of december. I need to get one before i go on a long plane trip!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] timlot:
As far as 2GB ram, thats defiantly nice, although there aren't any apps let alone many full blow Windows programs that, by themselves, use that much. Android also the ability to cache to the SSD drive in the event 1GB was't enough in the future. I'm still on board with the Prime, its the overall package it provides.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
Actually, I think ASUS was taken seriously off-guard with the TF. They simply underestimated demand, and it took them a few months to catch up. Because they aren't where the original iPad was (i.e., no competition), they know damn well not to try to play the artificial scarcity game in this market. This time, I think they'll have more than enough stock.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] droidx2.3.3:
I sure hope so. I want one as soon as it comes out
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] richB7:
Sold my Transformer and dock on EBay yesterday; ready for the Prime whenever it comes out.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] sontin:
Asus has ICS working on Prime. Huang from nVidia showed a video on a investor conference.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] _terror_:
what is the primary source to catch up with the latest and REAL news on the Prime? A place that updates frequently.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kanariya:
Acer has a full HD 1920x1200 tegra 3 tablet in the work.

I think by 2013 Full HD resolution will be the norm for tablets.

While the 10" netbooks are still in the same old resolution for years.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I'm not sure I'd want full HD resolution on a 10" screen. Seems like certain screen elements would get mighty small...
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] xPSYCHOTRONx:
The big difference to me wouldnt be 1 or 2gb of memory but from what i see the prime is using ddr2 not ddr3 like the lenovo. Faster memory would be pretty sweet imo.

Sent from my EVO 3D w/ Tapatalk
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] crazycranky:
I think I'll wait for some hands on reviews of the real thing before I consider buying a Prime. Its not that I think the Prime will not be good value for money, just that the TF1 is good enough for my needs.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hoss_n2:
The processor in lenovo is t33 vs t30 on the prime which should be a better version . And also the 2gb ddr3 is allot faster than the 1 gb ddr2 , google also for the acer a700 with full hd display and also the 28 n.m 2.4ghz quadcore from qualcomm which will be avaliable on htc tablets by 2012 , I think the prime will be be outdated very early
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] gogol:
But, does the Qualcomm Quad Core has the fifth companion processor ala Tegra 3?

I like the fact that improve battery life, which is stated 12 hours.

Awesome ...

I would trade some processing power with more battery life for sure!
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] kanariya:
It depends on how the OS optimize for the resolution
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] hoss_n2:
the qualcomm processor uses (28 n.m) technology vs( 40 n.m) on tegra 3 which should be lower in temprature and saves allot of power which means longer battery life and with 2.5 ghz processor vs 1.3ghz on tegra3 it won't need the fifth low powered core
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] wynand32:
I have a feeling that the Lenovo and the Acer aren't going to be in the same $499 for 32GB version price range as the Prime, if all these specs end up being true. And, of course, they don't have the dock, which for me was the clincher with the TF and will be the clincher with the Prime. So I'm sticking with the Prime.

I'm happy to see other manufacturers also coming out with some great-sounding Android tablets, though.
[Asus  Eee Pad Transformer Prime] Novarider:
Glad I'm not planning on buying a tablet for a few months. I get to wait and see who comes out on top.

The keyboard is nice but is it needed? I have a laptop already.