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[Motorola Photon 4G] Jjday7:
I think what everyone is missing is the effect this will have on your phones value. I personally keep my phones looking brand new so I can make a profit when it's time to upgrade. I personally haven't paid for a phone in a long time because I sell the old to get the new.

With this upcoming change this will hurt value and will make all phones running 4g look like old news. Sure there are people out there that have no clue about 4g 3g and just want a phone but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot that do know about it.

For instance, if you were on a carrier and they got bought out and your phone was working just fine on your original carrier and then all of a sudden the new carrier says your phone will be obsolete once we swich over to another band...What would you say?? Would this be a simple oh well i'll be good for a little while longer and then I'll just buy another phone. I think there would be more people complaining then. Sprint did the old bait and switch and I can't believe the amount of people who sit back supporting it. They increased the cancel fee, the upgrade fee, took away upgrades yearly, cancelled discounts for premium customers at stores, taking away 4g next year and providing crappy 3g service. What will it take for some people to realize that your being bent over. I just don't get why some people just take it laying down. So we paid the $10.00 fee to build the 4g service (which I know it's not a 4g fee)..which we all know it was and a bunch of bull was pushed to make it look otherwise. Now they want you to build their LTE service because the F'd up.

I know someone will say, well why are you with sprint then? Well that might be changing soon. Also I have to pay a cancellation fee and that is not fun and that's why there is a delay up to this point. I posted earlier in this thread and after really thinking about all the crap sprint is doing, I think I just woke up. I had my eyes open before but now they are wide open.

The photon is a good phone but I really think at this point the manufacturers will be focused on building LTE phones and will dump support on these now aging phones. Motorola is going to be the leader in LTE and is working on building the first LTE for sprint. Why are they going to keep throwing all these updates at the photon?

For everyone's sake, I hope LTE doesn't end up killing the 100k download speeds we get on our unlimited plans from sprint now. Someone's going to have to pay for the big switch going on.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
That's true. But I personally keep my old phones so that I can have spares/backups. Etc. That's just me though.
[Motorola Photon 4G] redhatter:
Look file a class action..sprint sold you something and did not deliver...at very least a free upgrade to an lte phone..and most a new lte phone and refund of the 10$ 4g data network charge we never got
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jjday7:
I sense your sarcasm but tell me that the evo 4g used more data then the Htc Hero that didn't have the $10.00 fee attached. Then tell me what the fee was for? Don't use the argument that it had 4g vs just 3g because you would be proving my point.... I really don't want to argue about that fee because it has been beaten to death. I was simply making a point....take it or leave it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
All smart phones except the replenish now have this fee
[Motorola Photon 4G] Jjday7:
That is right now but this fee started when the Evo 4g and Epic 4g came They were the only phones with the fee. Both 4g phones. 8 months later, sprint decided to add it to all the other smart phones. Google it and you will see. What a coincedance that two 4g phones come out and all of a sudden an upcharge is created.

Like I said this is not about the fee but just making a point.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kevets:
"Premium data."
[Motorola Photon 4G] r.storm85:
Haha..premium is a very strong word! Lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
I'm fully aware, I had both devices. I'm just making the point that now the only smart phone without it is the replenish.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Robalboa:
L

Brother relax your phone will be outdated by the time it becomes "worthless" sprint is gonnab hook us up in the long run. They would be foolishish not to expand and incorperate lte. But your phone will still work until about 2015. So if you still want your photon in 2015. Then you'll have problems
[Motorola Photon 4G] Acvice:
From what I was reading, sprint changed their contract in august. So anyone who got a photon in july and is troubled could go on and get out of their contract without an Etf if you mention that they voided the current contract after you upgraded.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
Bull****
[Motorola Photon 4G] rickyhfc02:
This is just my opinion from the things I've noticed working for an indirect sprint dealer, so I could easily be wrong but I just wanted to put it out there to hopefully settle some minds for those worrying about getting screwed in regards to 4g.

I spoke with my sprint rep who deals directly with multiple indirect dealer stores as well as apple stores now for the iphone 4s release. He's very knowledgeable and is always in the know so I trust him pretty well. Now he has friends in the tech department and I imagine thats about as close to the truth about this stuff without being in the board meetings :D. He says that current 4g devices will be compatible with the switch to LTE when it happens. How they will work exactly he didn't mention but he did say that whether they currently have the radios installed or they have to be installed, all that needs to be done is a firmware update which will be pushed OTA. Sorry I can't give details on the radios and hardware, I'm less knowledgeable about that end of phones and have more dealings with the software.

As far as the increased upgrade fee, termination fee, and the removal of sprint premier advantages... yea that blows, but all of these alterations are in the name of keeping unlimited data. If you havent activated a new acct or upgraded in the past month then you won't have to worry about the increased ETF b/c the contract you signed is only a 200 ETF. Yea upgrades suck that its an extra $18 but thats only once every 2 years so does it really hurt all that much?

Hope this puts some of you at ease.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Acvice:
Luger, no joke. This happens roughly every couple years. Been with sprint for about 7. Seen it at least 3 times. Its a rather popular way of gettin out early.
[Motorola Photon 4G] kingjamesthe3:
LMAO!!!!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] mfriggio:
Well said!!!

We are getting screwed slowly and in installments.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
**** sprint
[Motorola Photon 4G] rbeavers:
I well be using my mopho as an Android Touch on Wifi long after Google buys Sprint.
[Motorola Photon 4G] LexLuger82:
I agree
[Motorola Photon 4G] codee:
Wowzers some people are excessively mis/un-informed.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
If anything at the moment I see them buying tmo if att merger doesn't happen. Tmobile numbers look alot better from an investment standpoint and their have been Google MVNO Sent popping up online. If they have already put r and d costs into gsm tech, most of that money would be wasted other wise. But if att merger does happen, i can almost see them buying smaller regional carriers and merging them before trying to play with the big boys one on one.

But I would jump ship in a heart beat to google as a carrier and wouldn't think twice if they offered a data only plan with sip calling.
[Motorola Photon 4G] dmora01:
As soon Sprint get a par with the other carriers with LTE, the unlimited is gone at least with the data part, the good about all this is that Motorola and sprint will be updating the mopho bc looks like it is going to be the first LTE phone. At least for testing.
[Motorola Photon 4G] jeriel05:
What's the source of this rumor? That would be great!
[Motorola Photon 4G] dmora01:
"the wimax chip in the Photon 4g is actually the Beceem bcs 500 chip which has both wimax and lte on the chip"
[Motorola Photon 4G] sslbaron:
I guess his would explain why there's LTE stuff all over the build.prop files :D
[Motorola Photon 4G] wagonattack:
the capabilities of this phone are amazing, i see no reason why sprint wouldn't release a radio competent for LTE if it's possible for our phone. and from what i saw about the chip it seems it is.

people just wanna believe everyone is out to bend them over, when that's obviously not the case. Sprint realized a long time ago that WiMax is basically dead tech and LTE is the new gateway, and they acted upon it. i don't blame them one bit, they gotta stay in the game somehow right???

Sprint loses more money bringing in NEW customers with this LTE tech than retaining those who have been with them for years, why give the idea they're screwing us over?
[Motorola Photon 4G] nickespi:
No offense but your friend sounds like he just talks!!!As far as wimax being compatible with LTE..its not its a completely different network...so i dont think he is as knowledgeable as he or u think he is.... As far as i am concerned most people are with sprint for the PLAN..

.MY issues in SO CAL ARE HORRENDOUS and its no secrete that sprint made a bull**** deal with clarewire to get as many peps into contracts as they could..

And again Just my opinion but i saw some post here about Sprints customer service as far as being GOOD!! My experience has been bad also. I honestly think the majority of the people in the call centers are very under qualified to even transfer a phone call..Ill just end that rant there!!!

I cant wait for LTE!! it will be much better ..but i think people in my situation with a budget and THE FACT we (I) live in SO CAL need to just get use to the fact sprint is sub par and JUST be hopeful LTE coverage is far more extensive!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
I did as much research as possible. WHAT research have YOU done. I just feel like I was taken especially if the Photon is NOT LTE compatible and I am locked into a 2 year contract where I DON'T get 4G where I live (45 miles East of Los Angeles), that in and of itself is ridiculous. They got us all happy and giddy with the promise of 4G with the EVO & Epic and for the most part DID NOT deliver.

Now here I am on contract with a phone that has no 4G in my area and supposedly NO LTE in the future. Hopefully what that guy is saying about the Beecom 500 chip is real and we will get LTE in our Photon's. If you don't like what I have to say, DON'T READ IT. Since you are a Genius what do you suppose is going to happen?
[Motorola Photon 4G] ericdabbs:
I tried googling "Photon 4G with beceem 500 chip" and could not find any source to confirm this. Only way to really confirm this is if there is a video or screenshots of a teardown of the Photon to see what components are on there.

Last time I heard is that the Photon has the beceem 350 chip which means it only supports Wimax. Hopefully I am wrong and it contains the beceem 500 chip but I highly doubt it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ImOnMyMobilePhone:
Why will the unlimited data be gone?
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
This is a VERY interesting take. One question. Why wouldn't current Photon owners (who are for the most part ties to a 2 year contract) NOT want to get in on this new LTE especially those who have come from the EVO (myself) and (Epic) and feel cheated by the promise of 4G WiMax. We want OUR phones to have these Super Speeds as well, especially if you don't live in an area that has 4G (WiMAX).

Good thing is I called Sprint and I have one more yearly upgrade (August 1st, 2012) for being a Gold Premiere Member. This will be used on a LTE Phone OR Sprint does what is RIGHT by it's existing customers and give us Serious discounts on LTE phones next year. Falling in LOVE with the iCrap and pushing your existing customers (who have kept you in business) to the back of the Bus is wrong. I have a 25% Discount with Verizon (thru my job) and if Sprint does not do right by us OR Decides that on your Next Contract they will do away with Unlimited and go with Data Caps, I am gone. They have Already done this with Mobile Hotspot. I had it for awhile and all of a sudden it went from Unlimited (which I used on my Xoom OR HP Touchpad) and now you pay the SAME $30 a month for 5GB's. I was NEVER an Abuser and this makes me think Unlimited Phone Data is Next. They do it in a very sneaky manner. I cancelled Mobile Hotspot and will just get it for FREE. They had a paying customer and changed them into a Non Paying Customer who will get it for Free.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Draiko:
Why don't you want to take advantage of these speeds asap? Because you're going to want a device that is ready to take advantage of the entire LTE loadout, not just bits and pieces during that upgrade process.

Also, do you trust OEMs to dish out Baseband updates on older devices or just goad people into buying more new hardware? Regardless of how benevolent a carrier may be, the OEMs will always work to get you to buy new gear.

Why would Apple, HTC, Motorola, or Samsung allow people to keep their phones on the cutting edge for 3+ years instead of keeping you on the cutting edge for a year and then tease you for another year so that you immediately jump on the best phone available once you have your upgrade credit?

Take that into account.

As for falling in love with the iPhone... the OEMS and users are more at fault in that area.

The stats on iPhone users make them very valuable customers. They buy more stuff. They're easy to maintain. Customer satisfaction is through the roof. It's the highest selling single phone.

While I love Android, I see the business sense of the iPhone.

Look at Verizon. 2.2 million iPhones sold in one quarter. Median retail value for those babies is $699. Figure a rather large cut for Apple and do the math. One year's worth of consistent iPhone sales could be worth a few billion dollars to Sprint.

Over the past few years, the market has shown that people would rather have an iPhone than keep unlimited data. I point my finger at each and every iPhone user and blame them for the path the entire wireless industry is taking.

If more people jumped on Sprint last year for unlimited data instead of coveting the iPhone, we'd still have WiMax, we'd still have unlimited hotspot, and Sprint would still be Google-centric.

I tried to spread the word. I tried to get my friends to switch. I tried to get them to give Android a spin. They were *****-whipped on the iPhone and now we have this.

PS -

Lemme tell you why you shouldn't be pissed at what Sprint is doing...

They included the capability to use WiMax on many phones but kept the prices at $199.99. Verizon's LTE devices were pretty mediocre devices with poor battery life, no way to shut LTE off, and average launch prices of $299.99.

Sprint kept their data as unlimited as possible and their plan prices low. Yes, you had that $10/month premium data charge but you still paid less than AT&T and Verizon customers.

You paid the same price for new hardware as the average iPhone user but were able to get higher speeds in over 71 different US markets. You had the ability to use the fastest mobile data network from 2009-2011. You were given the first taste of a better world. You loved it.

iPhone users didn't even get to experience that yet.

Verizon users are getting that now but it's coming at a massive price. Unlimited users are being "Network Optimized" and the rest are on metered data plans. All that speed... worthless. Verizon users with 2GB plans can only use 68 megs per day before being charged extra.

AT&T users are going to end up going the same route.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
Too bad YOUR DUMB Friends/Family did NOT listen like mine. We are in the same boat. I have been in IT for 15+ years and tried to sway the ***** Whipped Apple Dummies around me to jump on-board Android. They wanted the iPhone and iPad. After I got the EVO some of the said they wish they would have listened. After I got the Xoom instead of the Ipad 2, I heard the same thing after I showed them I could go to ANY website and watch Flash videos. I am an Android guy thru and thru, but I did jump on the HP Touchpad Firesale (32GB unit) and to this day I still think WebOS is better than Android and iOS and I had the 1st Palm Pre the day the went on sale.

At least my Spine Surgeon listened after I showed him Google Body. He went and bought a Xoom. He thinks Google Body is Revolutionary. I few more of my Doctors feel the sameway and choose Android tablets over the iPad 2
[Motorola Photon 4G] motempo:
There are a lot of people here that need to do some research. Sprint's Network Vision plan including LTE is pretty good stuff. And we Photon users will not be left in the dust. Clearwire has been struggling to expand their WiMax coverage and wants to deploy LTE. Sprint did have to make some changes to their Nextel Network because of interference issues and has already deployed Sprint Direct Connect and will continue to support the Nextel network until they get everyone to switch over to a Sprint Direct Connect device. You may ask, what about the poeple who don't want to switch devices? Why would they not want to switch to Sprint Direct Connect; 3X better coverage and the ability to use the CDMA network for data, and soon they'll propably have LTE capability as well. Sprint is going to rollout LTE, whether they use Lightsquared and/or Clearwire. Maybe you won't get to use your Photon's 4G capabilities unless you are in current WiMax market; but with the deployment of LTE, you're going to get 4G faster than it would have taken WiMax to hit your market. Plus, the structure of the new LTE network is going to be so much better than the current WiMax. Those of you who currently have WiMax, you're not going to lose it. When they roll out LTE, Sprint is going to try to switch everyone over to an LTE device. Why would you not want to switch to a new LTE device and not take advantage of the huge investment Sprint has made to improve their 4G network?

Also, why is everyone complaining about the $10 premium data charge? Obviously there's a difference in the amount of data that is consumed using a Photon and basic feature phone. If you don't like it, go pay more at Verizon or AT&T for only 2-5GB (10GB on Verizon if you want to double your phone bill) of data. A lot of the recent changes Sprint has made was part of preparing to launch iPhone, which sucks for those who prefer Android as I do. But, you should have known it was coming, just like AT&T and Verizon changed stuff up with their capped data. Sprint had to make those changes so that they could still offer the unlimited data for phones. But if you think about it, none of the changes are any worse than what you'd get from any other network. ETF's are the same or higher, activation/upgrade fees are the same, return policies are the same. We can still take advantage of our unlimited data on our phones. And if you root, which Sprint doesn't seem to pick much of a bone with as other carriers, you can also tether unlimited as well. And where is everyone hearing these rumors about Sprint ending Unlimited when they switch to LTE? Nothing of this has even been mentioned. Yes, a lot has changed with Sprint recently. But the way I look at it is, I could be worse off paying more and getting less with another carrier.

Just my 2 cents...
[Xperia Play General] Ploone:
Hi guys,

Just wanted to share my thoughts on the Xperia Play 4G handset to anyone who might be checking these forums - Sony Ericsson was kind enough to provide the handset for review, and I have to say I was quite impressed for everything that was offered at the 50$ price point. You can check out my full review below for all the info, by the way - I'm posting some accessory reviews in the accessory thread!

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[Xperia Play General] tawne:
great video mate thanks for sharing
[Xperia Play General] TLRtheory:
*Sigh* ...so does this "4G" version(R800at) actually have any special connectivity options, or operate on any bands that the R800a doesn't?

...or is it just another case like always; where "4G" is little more than a marketing term to sell **** to the same kind of person who watches G4TV/believes Apple and innovation fit in the same sentence?

BTW, great video m8
[Xperia Play General] Ploone:
It's just marketing unfortunately, it runs off AT&T's HSPA+ network, not LTE. Therefore speeds are more of an enhanced 3G, so while they may be usable, they are slow and cannot be compared to 'true' 4G.

Thanks for the kind words!
[Xperia Play General] speedyink:
Calling HSPA+ "4G" is a lot like calling smart phones "super phones"
[Xperia Play General] Clienterror:
I just got the XP as an upgrade to the Atrix and as sad as that is I like the play better. My Atrix was running CM7 with a 1.3 OC obviously dual core and it was hitting a quadrant of 5kish with a linpack of 80 multi core and single of35-40. My new play is hitting 2500ish on the stock rom with a 1.9 OC :eek: stable with a linpack of 60 single core and 50 with multi thread. So it actually runs faster in day to day activites especially since almost no apps are multi threaded even Gingnerbread is no where near optimized for dual core. I could honestly give a flying poo what the specs were on a phone as long as its smooth and fast, the play is both. ICS will help dual/quad core phones to an extent but until we see what it exactly does dual core phones are bench queens. Just my .02 ;)
[Xperia Play General] AndroHero:
It's more like calling a smartphone, a laptop :D
[Xperia Play General] Ploone:
hahah yeah - more than at&t lying, I hate hearing people say "my phone has 4G, yours is 3G" - when they barely know the meaning or their theoretical speeds, ugh. Some think iPhone 4 has 4G.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] siddharthsure93:
hi,

I want to change the album in camera app to just pictures .....ie: when i click the album button in camera app,it should go to just pictures instead of stock album or 3d gallery. how to do this? can any one help ?
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] oren_b:
I want to do the exact same thing (different phone though). Have you managed to find a way to do it?
[EVO 4G General] AngelofChaos:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprint-converts-its-cdma-network-to-lte/

They plan on lessening the hardware footprint by building multimode stations for the towers. At the top of the tower in the same radio they'll have 1.9 LTE, 1.9 CDMA, 800 CDMA and in the future 800 LTE. With LightSquared they'll have 1600 LTE. Sprint plans to have 120 LTE markets by the end of 2012, with LTE capable devices starting to appear the middle of next year. WiMAX devices will continue to be sold through 2012.
[EVO 4G General] Mazda:
Sounds good to me....Thanks for sharing!
[EVO 4G General] teh roxxorz:
Well, I saw this coming, but it'll force most people to get new phones [if they want 4G].
[EVO 4G General] AngelofChaos:
that it will, and unfortunately with this new upgrade program Sprint is implementing, we're going to probably all be waiting till late 2012 or early 2013 to actually use that upgrade for any of the LTE capable devices.
[EVO 4G General] Greatness83:
Im sure Philly will be 1 of those first markets to get it so that good for me......

but how will this affect the Evo? Or will I have to upgrade to a LTE phone?

Hopefully when it comes out the Evo 4G+ will be LTE
[EVO 4G General] sitlet:
The Evo wont work with LTE, so if you want to use lte you would need to buy an lte phone.

As far as your evo, it seems like Wimax will still be supported for at least a few years, just no new expansion.
[EVO 4G General] AngelofChaos:
They still plan on using WiMAX along with LTE through 2012, so the EVO should be fine. After 2012 though, its not looking good for WiMAX. I would like to see Sprint's theoretical speed tests of this new network before I upgrade, though I'm certain they'll be much higher than WiMAX considering Verizon's speed tests.