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[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
How can you in one breath say you mean no hostility and then in the next state the above? These are very poorly determined opinions of yours. Android is none of those things save maybe fragmented which isn't even a real problem. 48% of the smartphone market agrees that Android is perfectly usable. This is what destroys your post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Not opinions at all, I do hope ICS fixes it though as then I'd have much less to gripe about with android. Android's main complaints are it's choppiness, fragmentation, lag, and force closes. I for one don't like the interface either but that part is an opinion. This is a forum for all OSes, it wasn't I who came in instigating in this thread. I simply stated my opinion of my personal favorite OS as you all do. If you have a valid point against my OS, do feel free to share but whilst I am putting forth very common complaints from numerous android users all you guys are tossing around are the opinions you so criticize me for.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
doesn't take much to do the math, android is available in all price ranges on all carriers worldwide. If you stumble into any US carrier your choices of free phone with contract are either an android device with a touch screen, occasionally an outdated blackberry, or a flip phone. Anyone would pick the touch screen phone. Determining the quality of an OS by such a thing is comical, if you can use that I suppose I could use the fact that this year androids consumer satisfaction rating fell below that of even Symbian.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
You made this thread, are you that dense not to know what would happen? I don't go into the general section claiming the best operating system, I stick to the forums that have the phone I currently have. In this case my new phone doesn't have a forum yet, so I thought I would humor myself by throwing opinions out at you like you are doing to everyone else to see if you would get a clue. I'm perfectly happy that some people find Android to complicated to use, gives me a little ego boost to know I'm smarter than the general population. Fragmentation is only an issue if you are a developer, as a consumer find the phone that has all the features you want and be done with it. I haven't had an issue from anyone that I've recommended a phone for. It's only hard for morons, and I don't hang out with any.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
Awh, seriously? That makes me feel bad. It proves the technological ignorance of the average person. Hopefully the people will learn, and the ratings will reflect it. Just so I know this isn't bull**** like most of your other "facts", though, would you mind linking me to the source? :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
They are available on every carrier worldwide because of the incomprehensible demand for such a popular platform. Period. And the only Android devices that even sometimes reflect the joke of an opinion you hold for the OS is the cheapest or free low end models. To say that there is NO relation between a ridiculous market share and the quality of an OS is what is comical.

And please cite your source regarding Android's poor performance rating.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It was on endgadget at the end of Q2, I don't feel like digging that far back as I'm on my phone at the moment and don't intend to dig. IOS came in a clear first with 60 plus percent consumer satisfaction, WP7 at I believe 53, blackberry in the low 40s, and androids ended up around 28 percent. Android is brought to so many carriers because those carriers can't just sign a deal with apple for the iPhone. So, they used what was, at the time, the second best smartphone platform. It had a similar UI to the iPhone and it had an app store of sorts and most importantly, it cost nothing and the very manufacturers they utilized ate it up. Yes, there was demand for "such a platform," android was an option of convenience, given licensing fees and such, it still is. This does not speak for it's quality, if anything for its lack thereof. I could make a number of nonsensical comparisons here but to anyone who's not suffering from fanboyism, who is unbiased and chooses whatever best suits their needs rather than brand loyalty, the facts are clear. I'm not by any means saying android isn't the right choice, for many it's great. But to act as though it's faults aren't there just doesn't make sense. Every OS has it's strong points and weaknesses and we buy them for what we need. I needed a good media player and had previously owned a Zune HD. I had Xbox live and Netflix so why not, the dev tools blow any other OSes dev tools out of the water, and I wanted proper social networking integration because we, as humans, are social creatures.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
Hey look we buy stuff for the same reasons. I'm getting rid of my Nexus S for a phone that I think looks good, has a nice speedy ui and has social networking integration. It also has Netflix, and I don't game so xbox on my phone would be useless. Good media player, that plays high profile 1080p with hdmi out. Developer tools that are easy to understand, and use. So that's why I chose SGS2, and Android. I don't think anyone mentioned multi-tasking, have you gotten that yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yes I have as a developer I've had it for months but the majority are still in their first month of multi-tasking. I do hope that ICS aids in speeding things up a bit and while the icon thing just doesn't appeal to me the UI is a definite improvement so they're at least headed in the right direction unlike iOS that's had that tired UI for years now. Android's developer tools were one of my biggest complaints and their developer support was awful. I'm part of a team making a 2d cross-platform MMO right now and when comparing the two Microsoft's developer tools are undoubtedly easier. Even if you don't use the OS I reccomend checking them out because it's simply amazing how easy it is, even my 16 year old brother, as a beginner, built a basic platformer after a few days, granted it sucks it was still amazing how easy it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
I have the WPF developer tools, I'm not surprised and won't be if WP7 turns out to be the gaming platform. I haven't been a fan of Gingerbread stock UI wise(not a fan of green), and have switched to MIUI on my Nexus S so that I can have a decent looking UI. I haven't personally done anything that would remotely be considered easier on WPF. Most of my stuff has been pretty simple. I do look forward to playing around with it more though.

https://market.android.com/search?q=j0hnZ

Oh and don't get me started on their developer support. Having your app removed from the market because a competitor doesn't like competition and reports you as copyright infringement. Google doesn't look into it, but the app is back up in a month because they know they can't prove it they just wanted you off the market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I will look you up once I'm on one of my android devices, I truly mean no hostility in any of this. I just think all OSes should acknowledge their flaws. Honestly, if I could find a decent launcher for my S2 I might consider using it but I've tried every launcher I've seen anywhere and none of them looked very good to me, I enjoy a very simplistic clean approach so I was almost sold on WP7s UI alone, even when I used android it was black background and 4 icons.i didn't want widgets or anything. Each OS has it's place and I don't feel any should be written off. However, if the complaints are just ignored then what motive do the companies have to fix them. I have no brand loyalty, the second I feel android is offering me a better product for my money I will readily jump back. For now, WP7 just suits me better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
I started acknowledging them as soon as I got my Nexus S. I got a Sprint SGS2 variety had it for a couple of days, I typically use Go Launcher and the only widget I use is appmonger. Ended up returning the Sprint version because the service was terrible and I had better service everywhere I went with TMobile. Everything about these phones is highly subjective, so I refuse to care about which phone is better. It's all about what is better for me. As long as the marketshare is higher for Android I'm going to target it. Which requires me to have a phone and not deal with the slow emulators. I like Eclipse though, with adt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
You know, due to market saturation, app pirating, and the fact that there is often a free version of anything paid it's been tested and proven that the same app, both ad-supported and not, released on windows phone marketplace and android, will be more lucrative on wp7. Thus far, I've released a few basic platformers just kind of getting a foothold before I get this RPG public (my graphics guy is a joke) and even the terrible games I released bring in steady ad-supported income. Not enough to live on but I'm an author by trade so that little bit helps. I will continue developing for both, while I'm envious of iOSes games, their dev tools are terrible if you're not a company and the UI is the absolute worst. I hope android catches up UI-wise in terms of speed and stability because I do want to be able to carry it as a work phone. Carrying a dell venue pro and an HTC titan is almost counter-productive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
The apps I have on the market could easily be found on the internet. One is basically just a content provider. The only thing it does is send an email to request a tune, the rest is just showing information. The other one is a calculator I made for a friend that's a machinist. Both of them are niche apps, two of them require a game that is currently only available on Android atm. My problem is a lack of idea's, so even if I was to say I'm gonna go to WP7 and make something I wouldn't have an idea of what to make.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
As... Painful as it is to admit, in our first few weeks people were paying 1.29 for a rubber duck app... Yeah, just a basic squish to squeak app... When pirating isn't easy people will pay for anything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bleach168:
The best selling android phones are the high end ones. Not the free on contract ones. The Samsung Charge at $300 was the best selling Android phone on Verizon in June-August.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...smartphone_despite_growing_iphone_5_hype.html

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That's awesome. My last flip phone came with a 150 page manual and I could never figure out how to operate the voice mail. Yet within a month of owning my first Android, I had that baby rooted. If android is for geeks, I guess flip phones are for masochists.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
You couldn't figure out how to hold 1 for voicemail? It's been the universal means of doing so for a decade or two.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hungry81:
Fixed it for you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bleach168:
You don't hold 1 for voicemail for an LG VX8550 Chocolate flip phone. YOu don't press 1 for anything unless it's part of your passcode.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 5136614:
This is sure right,even my dad who 55 years old and never used it b4 can using it.

Hahaha,nice :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Maybe this thread needs to move to wp7 general.

The title says it all, the OP is a wp7 fanboy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] X3FBrian:
Now if only we can get excellent battery life out of any Android device without going the full 9 yards
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yes, I don't use android so I'm clearly just a "fanboy" of my OS of choice. It couldn't possibly be that WP7 has more to offer me, right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] muerteman:
Dude you create post after post about how its right for you. Get a clue we don't care. Every post you make makes you look more like a fanboy. This thread was created almost unarguably to start arguments because anybody who has ever read general has seen this story before. You don't need to repeat it.

Sent from my Cyanogen Thunderbolt.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
I think your signature proves everyone's point—well, everyone except for yours. You keep trying to tell us you're not trying to start arguements and you're not bashing Android, you're merely stating your opinion. Well, my friend... your opinion is an insult.

"

XDA's official WP7 hater.

Samsung Galaxy S i9000m

-1.6GHz; GPU @ 229MHz; 100 MHz @ 450mV; Scrn @ 2.6V

-Not even close to stock

-Obviously better than your stock crap"

... ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
The vibrant and captivate were just terrible phones which was when that was added. I simply haven't updated it since.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
I have to agree with you there....they are pretty lame phones. Also, stating he doesn't like a certain PHONE in his signature does not make him a fanboy. Last time I checked, the Galaxy S wasn't the only phone running android...
[Windows Phone 7 General] sygeek:
I had the same experience. During our trip to SG, we decided to buy a smartphone because of much cheaper prices for gadgets.

I decided that HTC Incredible S would be best for him and we went to a store (Sim Lim) to get one. As usual the salesman tried to deviate us into HD7. I hated it at first sight but my brother loved it, and it was actually very good. Excellent UI, much smoother than any android phone, and excellent display.

Although we ended up buying nothing but that's a whole different story.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
No, but disliking one of the most popular Android phones, as well as saying that his WP7 phone—while stock—is better than any other phone, on top of the fact that he's been sitting here ignorantly spewing his distaste for Android, plus throwing around irrelevant, often-time incorrect facts to favour his beloved WP7, on top of...

Don't take **** out of context. If I put 2 and 2 together, making 4, don't completely ignore all but one fact and say I still have 2. That's just dumb. And you're not dumb, right? ... right.

And for the record, I'm a fan of WP7. I'm definitely not a fan of z33dev33l, though—nor his antics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Show me one point at which I've said something untrue aside from the post about 30 percent of android devices having viruses by next year (this misrepresentation was based on an article by a horrid site, wmpoweruser) the captivate and the vibrant were terrible phones and while samsungs drivers make android almost usable they make the UI which is already unappealing even uglier. As for appreciating my device, I have the latest and greatest, I have the S2, I have the titan, next Monday I'll be receiving a 4s. Despite specs and all that other minor nonsense the dell venue pro has been the only phone that I've used as a daily driver for more than a month. We're going on month 8 now. So, I do appreciate my device and dont see anything nicer coming along til Nokia blows up the market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
'Show me a post where I lied except the post where I lied.' ... really? ;)

The Captivate and Vibrant are nearly identical to the i9000. I own an i9000m as a 'daily driver', but all of the aforementioned phones can run just fine, especially considering they're nearly 1.5 years old—a millennia in the telecommunications industry. I can handle any game I've came across, and the only time I experience noticeable lag is when I underclock my phone... to 400 MHz—just because the battery life is immeasurably greater, and my phone still serves useful for all practical applications (calling, texting, etc.). When I leave the CPU/GPU tuned for greatness, I don't experience lag... ever. And again, this phone is coming up to be 1.5 years old now.

Given that you have the "latest and greatest", and apparently think that too is ****, I don't know how I can take you seriously. I have never personally used a Dell Venue Pro, although I'm sure it is in every way the unparalleled definition of qualitative excellence you so pretentiously convey. For anyone with half, or potentially even a quarter of an average human brain, however, we can see that there are no logic nor facts in your defense (or attack, although you'll ineffectually deny both).

You're a joke without a point. You have in no way made anyone think, other than of your own self worth, or lack thereof. I haven't decided if you're trying to start an argument, merely a loyal fanboy (without a single argument, other than "I develop apps but can't figure out how to run my Android phone properly"), or if you're just a plain idiot. For the sake of not wasting anymore valuable thought on such an undeserved subject, however, I'll (factually) infer all three.

What a joke...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Oh please, the galaxy S line was supposed to be the top-tier android phones of their time and they ran on outdated 2.1 for what? 8 months? Even then the drivers were poorly optimized, the Samsung additions were laughable, they were claiming their processors weren't powerful enough to run Netflix even though it was running on much lesser devices, and the lag was absolutely horrid. I guess lag is one of those things you don't see til you've had better but once it's seen it can't be unseen. Even the minimal lag in the gs2 is noticable now and it's not bad at all compared to any other android device. That paired with the screen burns, the screwy battery cover of the captivate, the cheap decals peeling off of the vibrant, and the many other physical shortcomings of those 2 phones hardware, I have reason to not like the GS line.

Anyway, why should I have to mod and such to make my phone run half as well as wp7 or ios does out of the box?

Anyway, the vast majority of your statements are strictly opinion, therefore your arguments could simply be reflected on you. The only difference is that you're immature enough to try and childishly attack me nonsensically.
[Windows Phone 7 General] voyager_s:
I've been real curious about Windows Phone for a little while now too.

The UI looks really good and the concept of live tiles when it really takes off, is gonna be real special.

I think in the not too distant future I may well be a regular WP7 owner. Not giving up android by any means...just sharing my time with both. :-)

Lots of potential in WP7. It took me long enough to see it but its definitely a very strong contender
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
You think anyone would want to trade my old Nexus S for a WP7? I ended up getting my new phone for half cost so now I have more options.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
You wait for updates? We just update.

You don't like bloatware? We just remove it.

You have image retention? We shut our screens off.

You can't put a battery cover on? We can.

You can't run Netflix? We all run Netflix.

Your phone lags? Probably, considering you're a WP7 fanboy (haha, just kidding ;)).
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
See, I do all of that without voiding any warranties and I do it faster because it's a non-issue. Also, considering I keep up to the times with my phones, when I had those phones Netflix was not possible on android phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] norpan111:
You think it is easy because you are a Little more into techs probably . Would you like aliens call you retarded just because you don't really know how to drive their spaceship if they appeared ? At first glance for someone older or "retarded" as you say , ios looks much more understandable .

Everyone is not so great as you thank god.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hungry81:
How's it hard to use? Seriously? Press a button to turn the screen on. Unlock the phone. Open the app drawer and select a program OR shortcut it to your homescreen and open it from there. Hows this impossibly more difficult than wp7 or iphone? You dont even have to set up damn itunes or equivilent. You just USE the phone. IT JUST FREAKING WORKS. NO ALIENS OR SPACESHIP REQUIRED!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
First of all on those its lag free, secondly, on those most basic functionality doesn't require a third party app, and lastly the definitive variation from one android phone to the next can be a pain. Anyone else remember the behold II's UI?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cobraboy85:
yeeeaahhh... shoulda been the end of your post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kanariya:
glanced some of the posts here

all i can say is that he's not a WP7 fanboy.

he just flat out hates android from the bones.

all the complains he had for the android, i'm not experiencing any on my Nexus S.

wait, i remember i had some of those problems before...with my G1.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
"Oh no, did you see that? Wait, no... that! Did you see it? What was that? It was like, my screen was just... when it was moving, it stopped moving... for that split second! Did you see it? It's back to normal now, but that 1/100th of a second! Oh god, oh god! What do I do!?"

You are literally the only person in the entire world that would act like that. And secondly, apps for all basic phone functionalities come pre-loaded on the phone. Unless you want to automate your lawn sprinklers, which can be done, I think you're good to go out of the box.

Comparing Android to an alien spaceshift is pretty ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more! Haha.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Perhaps my standards of what an OS should come with out of the box have raised since I bought into a higher quality OS
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
Yet despite that you use WP7...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
What it really boils down to is the fact that if we unbox our phone and there is an issue, we can fix it. When you have an issue with WP7, all you can do is pray for an update. I would much rather have the ability to fix it myself...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kailkti:
Stop looking at the perspective of a seasoned user. the world is not full of seasoned users, we are a minority. We are what is called an "exception" in the norm. Hence why the advantage you state here is invalid since it is not a generalized advantage. Hence meaning you cannot use that as an argument on the grounds that android is an overall better OS since the advantage is not taken up on by the general populace. We can only take normalities into case such as ability to view flash videos or the amount of apps available. Meaning advantages that are not only used by the "exceptions".

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You know what android is like? Windows. it is successful but has no substance. Get what I mean? In Windows your resources are used up like a fat man at an all you can eat buffet. Sometimes the fat man is full and he still eats. Even worse is when the fat man eats everything and wants more.

Case in point being android is a bad piece of software when handling the resources in comparison to others. You know what I mean? Windows is successful why? Because they marketed it off like it is a necessity and because of how successful they were in marketing it, developers crowded it, hence creating a plethora of programs, and viruses. Think you can say the same for android...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
Hey bro, this isn't a T-mobile forum, it is a DEVELOPMENT FORUM. So yes, that argument is completely acceptible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sygeek:
That's just personal preference, get over it.

Windows Phone gives unrecognized competition to Android and iOS. Period.

And for z33ldev33l, as far as I can see, he lays out plain facts in a justified opinion, and this place (with a majority of android fanbois) isn't in the likelihood of accepting it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kailkti:
You are mixing up the basis of the argument. The argument is not for which seasoned user is an OS suitable for. No, reread all of the posts. The basis is which OS is best for a general user. A host forum bears no bearing on this argument. Hence why we have sub forums. Hence why this is called the general forum. Hence why the argument is on the general consensus, if this pleases your ears about forums.

God do not mix up the basis of this topic with your own interpretation.