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[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
This might sound sad but apparently (looking at how many androids are being sold) people seem to have made their choice: options over quality. I can see people somewhat enjoying 150€ androids that i consider utter pieces of crap. They're enjoying those phones because probably they didn't see the point to spend more money than that on a phone that "is not even an iphone" (using their words here), and they probably wouldn't have bothered buying one if it costed just a little more. Long story short: people tend to go for (especially cheap) options, be it because they're not geeky enough to understand what quality (which is also subjective, complicating things a bit more) is about in the smartphone world or just because they look at the price tag more than at anything else. Many people i know are regular consumers, and they do think that way: maybe they would consider spending tons of money on an iPhone just because it's a status symbol, but when they're looking for a smartphone to actually use they become careful about their money: sure they aren't as picky as i am, nor they hammer their phone as hard as i do with mines. I don't wanna burst anyone's bubble here, but that's how it works irl. People don't go into shops asking for some smartphone "using an open source platform", nor for some smartphone "with a well optimized and hw accelerated ui", just saying...
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
Well get back to me when you've tested this, as of right now it's like forum statistics made up on the spot. I just typed in one of my apps on Android, didn't notice any input lag. I used swype, but I just pecked at the keyboard. I don't use any of the poke to type keyboards, unless I'm installing swype and have to use it for some reason.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but I have played with WP7 phones. I haven't played much on stock roms though for Android, other than my current phone that up until a few hours ago didn't have root. Other than a few programs that lag, there's nothing noticeable on the home screen even with a live wallpaper running.

I am currently looking to trade my Nexus S for a WP7 device on T-Mobile. To have more than hand time, and because I don't care for emulators.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
The difference between 22-27 fps and 60 fps is drastic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
So then if I don't notice anything I have one of the "good" android phones, or is it that my eyes are just deceiving me?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Actually I meant the phone keypad and not the keyboard. You can definitely discern the difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
i didn't notice initially. Hell, i didn't even notice until a couple days, maybe a week. I thought they were both smooth. Then i went back to an android phone, rooted vibrant with cm7 and it just seemed choppy. You have to fully experience something faster before you can see the slow I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scottx .:
I have always been a Unix lover. Running slackware and redhat then freebsd and netbsd in the late 90's. I love android for what it stands for and it's raw power.

I hate wp7 for what it is, a locked down twitter social Microsoft piece of crap. My wife had an HTC surround for 2 weeks and we both gave it a chance and tried to like it. It just isn't for us. We have since sent the phone back to att and gotten the much nicer android powered Samsung infuse.

I hope Microsoft Burns in hell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I had an Infuse too. Super nice phone. The SAMOLED+ display is the best there is. The only thing it lacked was Gingerbread. I love Android also. But it isn't as refined as WP7. And with the release of the future Samsung Focus S, a SAMOLED+, 4.3" packin' gorgeous SGS2 look-a-like, I will have the best of both worlds. I'll have the hardware of the Infuse/SGS2 and the refinement of WP7...as well as all the goodies of the second gen. of WP7 hardware. The Focus S is going to be were it's at for WP7.

By the way, here's some nice screenshots of the Focus S:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/samsung-focus-s-and-samsung-focus-flash-for-atandt/4542909#4542909

Also of note, I've had my Samsung Focus for almost a year now and it still impresses me. That's saying something for me. I'm usually bored with a new phone after a couple months. But the display, design and elegance of this Focus just keeps bringin' on the love. The Focus S will go over the top. I loved the style and design of my Infuse and will have that in the Focus S.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scottx .:
It only lacked Gingerbread because you didn't put it on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's right. And it was unrooted also. I don't mess around with them. I have an HD2 for customizing. And flashing a custom ROM on the Infuse loses HDMI output. I prefer to have a fully functioning device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] manlisten:
My experience mirrors yours. I had a Samsung Captivate, which was my first Android phone, and ditched it after 2 months for an HD7. WP7 was cool but about a month in I really started to miss Android. I had the HD7 for 5 months then went back to Android. It just suits me better. WP7 is a cool OS and certainly prettier than Android in many regards, but I just feel more in control with Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vikas776:
100 % agree

Android offer so much that its hard to remember bugs , slow , smoothness.

Freedom to do anything is far better than the current WP7 but i m sure it gonna evolve and improve a lot better . until then android is perfect .
[Windows Phone 7 General] Illicit Hero:
People keep saying freedom, but I'm getting basically it means to flash custom roms because stock roms are full of crapware/theming/not asop. This "freedom" you so call is basically fixing what shouldn't be an issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Oooops...that's coherent logic. Hehe...I fully agree and is exactly how I see customization.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
WP7 Guys- Equivalent to old men buying a new corvette...It just works.

Android Guys- Equivalent to gearheads who know what they are doing, buy a beat up honda, and rebuild it to smoke that corvette. Why? Because it's fun.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Illicit Hero:
Except majority of the users just flash someone elses rom, to use your analogy its like dropping off at a local shop instead of a dealership and saying you did it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmegalodon:
It's not really "freedom," as it is more availability. If you see it as simply flashing custom ROMs, well, so be it. It's more than that. Android offers a HELLUVA lot more than custom ROMs. From what I hear, people coming and going from various platforms, Android just "offers" more. Take from that what you will. It doesn't mean "teh abilitiez 2 flash teh cuztom ROMz," just like, apparently, there is more to WP7 than just its silky smooth UI. The latter being the most consistently mentioned benefit compared to Android. Android has a lot of depth, WP7 has an extremely smooth UI. I think I'm missing something.

As I said, I am intrigued by WP7 for various reasons. The Metro UI is one thing that interests me, more so than the fluid and "lag free" transitions / animations. That isn't really important to me as it doesn't help me get **** done. If someone asks me about what I can do on my phone, I don't entertain them with appearance or fluidity when it comes to scrolling or backing out to the homescreen. Most people aren't interested in that.

I'm not trying to knock WP7, and I am genuinely interested, but why is it that the most consistent praise I hear is the fluid presentation? The tiles have grown on me, I can't deny that. I like simplistic, minimalist design, but there has to be more. I wouldn't buy a car that looked amazing if it didn't have options and features that made it worth it. That's sort of how I feel, especially when I read these boards and people are constantly referencing the occasional lag on Android and their liquid-BM-esque experience with WP7 being the major positive. There is more to a mobile OS than screen transitions and how smooth it scrolls. :rolleyes:

Again, I am deeply interested, but some of the talk doesn't do much to spur potential customers on. And who are these people talking about having to flash custom ROMs to fix broken things? Like what? I get there might be things you aren't keen on, that MAY be rectified by flashing a custom ROM, but I don't hear often of Android phones shipping that are completely useless unless rooted and flashed with a custom ROM ... Granted, the Evo shipped with a frame lock and the HDMI-out was expanded upon, but those aren't necessarily make or break issues. Yes, devs expanded upon ... one addressed by HTC specifically.

I feel like people (outsiders) throw these large generalizations at Android, just like people (outsiders) do with iOS. Things are blown out of proportion, issues embellished. I know people want to convince and legitimize their purchases and stances, but **** ... some of it is ridiculous. I cringe just as often hearing **** like that as I do when Android fanatics blindly sling feces at the other side. None of the big 3 (tossing RIM, adding WP7) are perfect, which is something we should admit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kailkti:
Define a custom rom. A rom derived from a stock source code but altered? A rom simply with apps removed and a different kernel? A rom with all of the above? Now you sir seem to be only thinking about the "apps removed and different kernel" level when it comes to customization, which is understandable since a lot of devs really only do this. However like a cyanogen mod rom, some devs go to to the level of "customization" where they will alter the source code, drivers and such to get something working. E.g. A sense 3.5 port.
[Windows Phone 7 General] negrobembon:
Where i live anybody has heard of Wp7 or anything alike(and theyre sold in few stores) the os is good but if it doesnt get itself out there whats the point

I mean theres an android robot dancing everywhere
[Windows Phone 7 General] ajithpregy:
I loved the facebook integration and the simple user interface but they din get the ppl s hear that well
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Of course I can, when something's readily available to everyone, everywhere, on all budgets it's going to be more popular. I'm a developer, understanding android is cake, it's just dated and only seems useful to me as a cheap alternative to the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
Here is another post from this clown. Get over it guy. Look at the name of this website...XDA...DEVELOPERS. We don't come on here because we want to use a phone straight out of the box. This is a development forum that is android dominated, and I think you know why that is...because it is open source and easy, AND FUN for development. As I have said plenty of times all of the major OS's have their goods and bads, and each OS is better for some people than others. Your WP7 pleas every other day are getting quite pathetic.

My point is, we like hacking and tweaking our phones. We don't care if your phone is more "fluid" out of the box. Go find a WP7 forum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
WP7 devices are available in the same price ranges as Android devices, and there are plenty of free blackberry handsets but people aren't going for them either, so you can't claim people choose Android simply because of the price.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Walk into an ATT store and find a free wp7 device on any day that's not a holiday, same goes for any other carrier stateside. Sure you can use wirefly and find the deals but most aren't smart enough to shop that way. As for the blackberry comment, hmm, tiny screen and old keyboard that looks like a phone that was out a decade ago or a touch screen device, hmm, which is your average consumer going to pick? Android does well because absolutely anyone can get it. Even those small one-town carriers carry android now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Archer:
Cool story bro.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
$49 in line with their Android phones (OK there's an LG for $20) although there are more $99+ Android phones than WP7.

So, with the pricing on a par with their Android offerings (you're not suggesting that the majority of AT&T Android users have the LG Phoenix are you?) what's your excuse now?

Lets not forget that the US isn't the world, in case you've been watching baseball and had forgotten ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Again, you're likely viewing online prices. Right now, in store, the surround is the cheapest on ATTs shelves at 99, there's 2 free android devices here with new 2 year agreement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
Ah so you're now suggesting that potential WP7 customers wouldn't look online?

Seriously you should listen to yourself.

The phones have been available at the same price as Android phones, but people aren't buying them, in response to this most retailers have dropped all but the few that people are buying which tend to be the higher priced ones such as the HD7. There's no point offering cheap WP7 devices if no one wants to buy them, better to use that shelf space to stock phones people actually want.

So basically, as backed up by the stats on market share (1.6% at the end of 2011Q2 ouch), people weren't interested in WP7 even when handsets were available at the same price as Android phones, and deliberately chose Android over WP7.

Hang on, weren't AT&T doing loads of deals on WP7 in Q2? Like BOGOF and price reductions? Looks like despite that people still weren't interested.
[Windows Phone 7 General] carden12:
how about it compare to android..
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
It doesn't. Doesn't even come close as for updating because of poor MS management.

It's a shame, too, because the OS itself is undeniably first-rate
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
the only good thing about android is the hardware its put on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
Thanks for the lulz.

I swear you have got to be a closet Android user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Got 4 of the best android devices in a junk drawer and am working on an N64 emulator for android but for daily use, no thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Illicit Hero:
Hate to say it but it's the truth. Key marketing terms for Android and is why Apple is trying so hard to have an iPhone on every tier. Android will always be the iOS alternative and not the other way around, most people will continue to see iPhones as a premium product unless Apple completely screws up, don't mention iPhone 4s as a screw up either. Obvious punch at the corporate phone sales is what it was.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikencis:
I have a Dell Venue Pro in excellent condition. Would you be interested in trading an Android device for it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] astro11:
WP7 relays on the same thing that iPhone does: user experience.

I'm a huge android fan, but I know it's not the best user experience for common people. We are different, we are the exception, we like to hack and change every single corner of our smartphones... but common people don't.

My girlfriend was looking for a smartphone and I told her to buy an iPhone 4. She is really happy with it, and I understand because she isn't a tech savvy.

Android has a lot to learn. Android is only winning the smartphone race because almost all manufacturers are doing Android phones, and people are buying it without even know what Android is.

If Android can mix the excellent user experience with it's functionalities... then it'll conquer the world.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
So sick of people saying Android is hard to use or doesn't have a good UI. Android is ridiculously easy. You need to literally be retarded not to figure out how to move icons and use widgets, seriously. In late 2010 Consumer Reports rated Android the RUNAWAY winner in smart phone ratings. Including ease of use. WP7 and iOS work, but they are dumb smart phones. You can use them for basic tasks. Android is easy for beginners and includes in-depth functionality for the geeks who need it. Not to mention, the ability to choose hardware rating from mid-tier to the most advanced on the market.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/210574/android_phones_sweep_consumer_report_ratings_beat_down_the_iphone.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
Excellent post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cape Lucid:
My mom is 63.

Last month I gave her my old Desire to use cause her SE dumbphone died. Showed her basic stuff and that was it.

Nex day I get a call - "I am keeping this phone!" :)

And till this day she's rocking it. She figured out all by herself.

Now when I see somebody stating android is difficult to use i send her the link so she can have a laugh.

Honestly. If you can't put yourself for 1 hour to learn new things you got to be a looser. My mom is the proof especially that she never used even a computer all her life.

She rocks! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
As I stated before, I was an android fanboy prior to switching to WP7 and android is undoubtedly more complicated to use than windows phone 7. It's also unstable and slow in comparison. I thought I enjoyed tweaking my device and crack flashing 2-3 roms a week but honestly, I know now that I was only doing that because it was necessary to keep my phone functional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
The reality of the situation is this. If you want a fluid, locked down operating system that is easy to use, it is a no brainer to go with IOS. If you want a customizable OS that you can tweak and hack, another no brainer, go with android. WP7 does not fit into the equation whatsoever, and no matter how great you think it is and how much you talk it up, it will never catch on to become one of the main OS's. And I really don't know what phone you left, but as far as unstable and slow, I have none of those issues with android. I have been on the same ROM for 3 months, so no crack flashing necessary. Oh, and I am underclocked.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Still have a gs2, still get force closes. Granted it's stock because I only use it as a device to test my games but regardless, it's got those very issues.

ios would be nice if the OS were not ugly and the phone screens weren't tiny, if that were the case then I'd go with it but then again, if that were the case it'd just be wp7 with better games. Microsoft isn't blowing any doors off until the windows 8/windows phone integration. I'm well aware, but to write it off is simply foolish as it is as just as capable as any other major OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
WP7 would be nice if the OS wasn't ugly. If you want minimalist you can make your Android minimalist, if you want complicated you can make your Android phone so nobody but you understands how to use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
No, I have 4 devices running either CM or other random roms. I kept the gs2 stock because it ran better than any rom I put on it but still it wasn't as smooth and that's as good as android gets.

J0hnZ, you can edit the UI thoroughly on android but it won't become as smooth as wp7, it's simply not optimized that way. I have android as minimalist as it gets and it's still laggy, static, and unattractive. I tried the wp7 look-alike launcher but it felt like I was playing with a chinaphone version of WP7 or something.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BravoMotorola:
It's flashy yet too underdeveloped for me. If you want the flashy look plus good apps don't get a WP7 phone, get an iPhone. I tried my HD2 with WP7 and it was a terrible experience for me. Android is the best IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
That's your opinion, the sooner you realize that the better. If you don't like the minimalist offerings you're a developer make one that is dynamic. The rest is irrelevant as it is your personal opinion. Simply not optimized that way is a cop out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
If you are modding it and it is still laggy maybe you just don't know what you are doing...like I said, I have no issues with lag.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
+1

My WP7 phone was smooth, but not THAT much smoother than the lowest end Android phone I've owned. The guy literally says Android is so laggy and unstable that it is unusable. Poppycock. My Sensation and G2x fly and rarely get FC's. On stock ROMs, the FC's are non-existent.

The ONLY thing WP7 has on Android is that it is SLIGHTLY more fluid. If this guy can't get Android's highest end offerings to even be usable, well that's just sad. He reminds me of the old people who return Android phones to my store saying they want an iPhone because Android is too hard. Please, retards, go to iOS and WP7. Sick of stupid questions anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
+1 (again!)

I experience lag maybe once a day on my Android phone when it's overclocked; when it's underclocked, I experience lag only when running extremely intensive apps. Either way, with the open-ended options that Android offers, I can optimize it to be suitable for anything I want to throw at it. Also, my phone is 1 year and 3 months old now—hardly anything spec-impressive.

If you have force closes on a stock ROM, there's a 99% chance it's your fault. If you haven't figured out how to fix them yet (again, this is a developer's forum full of seamingly unlimited advice) then, my good sir, you are a practical joke.

I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever trade Android's ability to do everything I ask of it for a "fluid" GUI. Why? Because my Android's GUI is fluid—all it took was tweaking it to my needs. Zee, you keep throwing around this "optimized" term. Instead of letting Microsoft and Apple optimize your phone for how they would use it, why not use an Android and optimize it for how you, yourself will be using it?

Also, please stop developing. If you can't tweak your Android phone with other people's apps, I think it's safe to say the community doesn't want anything to do with your apps.

... :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TJBunch1228:
Lol I almost said something very similar, but that just seemed colllllddddd.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I thought I had no issues with lag myself til I switched. After going to my hd7 and coming back it was painful to say the least. Regardless, no original drivers have been written to add hardware acceleration to any device and I'm not going to waste my considerable time doing so for an android device that will be outdated within a month. Anyway I am first and foremost a game developer and the dev environment is 1000 times better on wp7. Androids just not smooth, not when compared to the others. While the hardware is awe inspiring the software just feels like windows 95 made into a mobile OS except I think the games were higher quality even on windows 95. I guess I just really enjoy wp7 for the quality. This thread was never intended to instigate hostility but eh, people are too defensive. I can admit the flaws in my OS, can you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
Since we are just throwing out opinions, I think your just mad that not everyone shares your opinion. I don't game on a phone, so I could care less if gaming is better on a windows phone especially not in your opinion. See how your entire post was just destroyed? Have a nice day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
My post has little to do with gaming, it's overall quality. Android is slow, choppy, not secure at all, fragmented, and unstable. But I suppose usability on a phone means nil to you and therefore my post is destroyed. I'm going to go build a PC with multiple quad-core processors and 16 gigs of crucial ram with 5 1 terabyte hard drives and whatever the latest radeon is arm and run windows 95 on it. That's the android experience in a nutshell. It might run better than windows 95 does on a more basic machine, but windows XP and up are still going to completely annihilate it even on a stock device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
opinions...opinions..opinions...go play with your ugly interface now...