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[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
Windows Phone gives unrecognized competition to Android and iOS. Period.[/QUOTE]

I would hardly call 3% of the market (that dropped from last year) competition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
Oh, thank you for clearing that up. You see, this is a developer's forum. Clearly z33dev33l stumbled upon this website by mistake. You don't come to a community filled with modders, hackers, and developers and tell them "WP7 is the best operating system... out of the box." That's not what we're about.

No one is denying that iPhone's are better for children, old people, and the less technically inclined.

... wait, what about WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sygeek:
What part of "unrecognized" did you not understand?

I have to agree with this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] moses992:
I would hardly call 3% of the market (that dropped from last year) competition.[/QUOTE]

That.
[Windows Phone 7 General] densetsu86:
Z33, I somewhat respected your first post but the rest that followed are really just bad and I don't blame anyone here for how you are being treated. You post "facts" without citing information that's why nobody is taking you seriously as well as your getting opinions mixed up as facts.

My dx2 is my first smart phone. I had dumb phones before this and let me say this it took me 2 1/2 seconds maybe less to understand and use this thing. And did you ever even think of the lag was coming from the phones them selves then the OS? No you just attack the OS. I have very few lag on my dx2. Why cause I rooted and installed zepps scripts. But even before that it was still fast. I just like my phone booting up in less then a minute. And with all the problems all do to moto being the one to drop the ball by releasing froyo on a dual core processor this thing since 2.3.4 has redeemed my phone.

Stop trying to justify why you like wp7 with BS facts (there BS cause your not citing info). Wp7 is good for you that's fine but what's good or easy for you is not the same with everyone else. Stop lumping us in yourself thank-you. I felt offended by some of your posts. And uis differ from done to phone. Vanilla, blur, sense, etc. I like blur cause I didn't come on to smart phones when it was a plague. I'm not that much into Modding but I like that its there then not having it at all.

And don't compare a cell phones is to a computers. You do deluxe there are 3 main PC is right? Windows, OSx and Linux. Every os has viruses. Because there are jerks everywhere. Ios, android and wp7, windows, osx, and Linux its a part of life get used to it. And with half the stuff you said I doubt your a Dev it just doesn't add up unless your apparently are the ones that always fc on you cause your not doing anything right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
This.

Initially I thought it would be an interesting thread. But like 99.9% of threads like this on here, it has derailed into him trying to hawk his erection in our faces when it comes to WP7. Or rather, hawk his hatred for Android in general.

Geez, it's an open market. You like what you like, we like what we like. We don't hawk our crap at you and we'd expect you to do the same.

Pointless thread with a pointless OP trying to pointlessly point us towards another OS for pointless numbers of so-called advantages.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kailkti:
So in other words we cannot have a discussion about the general consensus opinion due to the fact we are "developers" and that we have a more "advanced mind", hence being unable to relate or emulate a thought proess similar to the general consensus due to the fact we are going "backwards"?

Last time I checked I was not a closed minded person who could not think out of the box or did not interact with the population enough to have a socially opposite personality to the general populace.

$1 gets you a reply
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
so, would you prefer that I say that out of the box any windows phone 7 device can out-perform even the top-tier android phones fully modded in terms of communication, speed, social integration, media, and pretty much everything else that matters on a phone? I'm quite certain you'd just rage more. I'm no fanboy, the second android is capable of offering a user experience on par with windows phone 7, I will jump ship in an instant. For the time being, I'm going to go back to the most amazing and well thought out developer tools out there and dread the day I begin the port of my game to android and their almost depressing tools but hey, if I want a cross platform MMO I have to take that bullet. Did that post appeal to your senses a bit more or shall I just wait for the, "dats an upiniun and yer stoopid." posts to start flooding in?
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
Completely missed the point.

Rage? "Dats an upiniun and yer stoopid"? Clearly you have me confused with someone else.

If you honestly want to say that a fully modded Android phone is in every way worse than a stock WP7, assuming you're not going to add in the fact that the Android phone is from 2007 and the WP7 was released last week, well... feel free, but I'm pretty sure everyone would disagree. They both shine in various ways.

Again, I'm a huge fan of WP7, and I've used all three mobile operating systems extensively. But Android is not complete ****, as you seem to think. I like options. If you don't, that's fine—but remember, not everyone is you.

As for the developer's tools, I don't doubt that for a second. I don't have the time to dive into them, but considering the history of both Microsoft and Google, I'd be dumb to assume anything else. This also has no effect on the out-of-the-box user. But hey, while customizing an Android phone doesn't affect the typical smartphone user, developing WP7 apps certainly does, right?

I feel like you're running around in circles here. We get it—you hate Android phones with a fierce passion. Nothing is going to change your mind. Trust me, you've made yourself quite clear. Just don't say "Android is so laggy it's practically unusable," or any other absurd comments. The majority of us have used an Android phone, and while we may not even like it, we don't lie to justify buying another phone. We just do.

It was fun, but I don't think I'll be replying to you anymore. Enjoy your WP7; I'll continue enjoying all three. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Don't hate android at all, still use it on occasion, just not fond of people treating wp7 as though it's less an option. Was it you who said android was like windows, capability but no substance?
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
To some, like me it's not an option. Not for any objective reason anyone may come up with. I just simply don't like the user interface, and you can't change it, so it's not an option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] norpan111:
Are you really that retarded so you missed the point completely ? Others might think it was easy to figure out what I was talking about..but it just swooshed right over your head..the alien spaceship I mean.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hungry81:
Im sorry can you spell it out? Im obviously just a moron who has the ability to use a phone O/S that you stated is too complicated for you. Or are you just angry because I explained why your point was incorrect?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cobraboy85:
Windows is annoying and slow on my computer... Linux (Ubuntu) is fast and flawless. Its a no brainier for me. Anything running linux (with decent hardware and good software) will out-perform anything else.

Windows? That is sooo 1995... srsly. It is. Just as terrible as ever.

bastardized rom. its fast. get some.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
Fail harder...you clearly don't have a clue on what WP7 is.You may like it or not, but this is not debatable: it's much smoother than android and a lot easier to use. Android has too many weird menus in many random places, it's fragmented and badly messed up in many ways. But God, don't get me wrong: i like Android over WP7 now because it's funnier to play with, and that's pretty much all i care about (atm), but WP7 is in general a better platform for normal use. That's it. I'm getting pissed about all of this WP7 vs android jazz btw: they're different things for different users. Don't like it? Don't use it (being it android or WP7 alike). Here's my philosophy, simple as that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
This is correct. And my experience is the opposite of the other poster. I tend to experience Windows as being much faster than Linux. And this is coming from recent Ubuntu experience. And WP7 is the fastest and smoothest mobile OS I've experienced. My Focus with Mango is a pure delight to use. It is so pleasing that now my Focus is my main phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Finally feels as though this thread is getting hit by users who've tested the OS at least regardless of final decision.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lowandbehold:
Although WP7 sucks...I am glad to see you get some support in this thread. It is a shame when a thread turns into personal attacks...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Still waiting for a valid reason that wp7 sucks though :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
When I get a newer phone...I'll definitely put WP7 on my HD2 to see what the hoopla is all about. Definitely looks intriguing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Im honestly not fond of the mango port for HD2...
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
It's good enough to see what the hoopla is all about. I won't blindly purchase a WP7 phone without first knowing what I'm getting into.

I'm also going to wait it out until they sport dual-core chips in their phones for battery efficiency (i.e., due to not needing each chip to run at full speed relative to a single 1.5 ghz chip; less heat too). One thing I'm impressed is that WP7 is nice with hardware acceleration, if I'm not mistaken. This is why Android phones typically need higher specs to mask the problem of not having proper HW acceleration. It does it well, but it's more a "bury the issue under the rug" kind of deal. Lawl.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
A wp7 will already greatly outlast an android device on the same specs due to the OSes optimization for each advice. I have the dell venue and the dell venue pro and the venue pro often gets 4 or more hours extra battery life on moderate to heavy usage. The mango port for the HD2 might be good enough maybe, just know, its not as smooth on the HD2 (it was before the mango update but I guess the HD2 couldn't handle the 500 new features.) and some of the hardware optimization just couldn't be put in place. I absolutely love the HD2 but after mango I tend to keep it on winmo most of the time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
You keep it on WinMo relative to a full-functioning Android builds? Lawl.

It's almost as though Android sexually assaulted you when you were younger. Your hatred for the OS is astounding.

I can't even take you seriously sometimes. Sometimes you make some sense, other times you're just spewing bile out of your mouth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Make sure to use the XBmod-Yuki version from here. Then install the Device provisioning cab with the Cab sender tool. And you may need to force the updates. The first update...7008...went through for me without forcing. The successive updates required the forcing trick. But without the Dev pro, updating stopped at NoDo and Zune would not find 7403.

Also make sure to reset your HD2 after updating to 7720. Otherwise the battery drainage will be excessive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
Thank you for that, I'll need to make a note of that. I have a QUICK question for you regarding the whole SD card issue. I'm really afraid of trying it now primarily due to the whole issue of not being able to use the SD card again on Android. Is it as bad as people are reporting? Or is there a way to decrypt the card internally on Mango before returning to Android?

I've also heard that the phone heats up fairly quickly when you're doing anything moderately intensive due to not having proper CPU scaling? Is this the case? I've been watching tonnes of clips on Mango on the HD2 and it looks mighty interesting!
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
nothing like that at all. I just have a warspear account that I've been working on for a long time and like being able to play it from my mobile too. Since winmo is the only OS with it and the HD2 is the best winmo phone I use it strictly for that game.

Edit: I have 7 android devices, it's not like all my non-wp7 devices need android. I'll have a 4s on Monday too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
you can fix the cards using a Nokia device, an android device, or a computer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] raddish2:
at least its no iphone. i would rather have the wp7 then that. good on you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
No issue with the SD cards for me. I use the Panasonic formatter and it successfully restores them. And I will say, if you commit to WP7 on your HD2, stay with it. I have two HD2s and my failing one will no longer read the SD card slot in Android because of WP7. WP7 uses the card slot excessively and may have worn it out. I can use it with WP7 effectively and am. But with Android, for some reason the card slot is dead and I can't find a way to resurrect it....I have tried everything too.

Nevertheless, I bought a new HD2 which I use with Android and will never flash WP7 on it. And as for the heating, I really don't experience anything out of the ordinary. I do know that HD2s will get hot even with WinMo and some people in the past, I remember, complained of high heat with the HD2s while still running WinMo. But I'm not a heavy user either. It may depend on how you use it. But my judgement is you won't have any issue at all with heating to any point of damage. Remember, the HD2 was designed to run the resource-heavy WinMo. WP7 is easier on it than even Android.

By the way, this WP7 XBmod-Yuki install guide is excellent.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
My HD2 overheated and died (doesn't even turn on anymore). The HD7 gets very hot as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I remember some people having faulty HD2s that did heat up and fail. But they were exceptions to the norm. As those people were reporting the heating issue and explaining how they were using their HD2s, others, including myself, reported no issues at all while using our HD2s the same way.

There definitely were instances of bad HD2s that heated up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
You're scaring me. :(

Ugh, I'm in the lucky batch that didn't have a single problem with the HD2, no overheating, nothing.

Nooo....I wouldn't want to kill the microSD card slot. Lawl.

I guess I might just wait it out and see if I can pick up a banged up HD7 or something just to play around with WP7.

On the other hand...the Titan is looking ridiculously marvelous. Lawl.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, it as a rather common defect when the device was launched. HD2 was marred by those issues more than the OS loaded on it.

All the people who complained about their HD2 freezing and going into reboot loops? That was due to overheating. Mine did the same when it got hot.

It would never get hot like that on WiFi, only on 3G. But once you left WiFi and started surfing the web on 3G, it's as if you'd turned on an oven.

I had a call into HTC to get it repaired, and they were very aware of those issues (as are T-Mobile reps), but I decided not to do it because I already had 2 other devices.

HD7 also gets quite hot on 3G. I wonder if they will start showing the same issues in the future...
[Windows Phone 7 General] PoisonWolf:
I think it's just Qualcomm's tech in general that gets hot. Lawl.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Sorry about that my friend. But I'm one of those kind that is detailed about my experiences and would not want you to be uninformed about what I have experienced with my old HD2 and WP7. If you have a good HD2, I suggest not flashing WP7. If you can get a used one somewhere for low money, by all means, do so. But with that, you can snag a Focus for as little $150 to $200 online. And I firmly believe it is the best WP7 device yet. The SAMOLED it uses really enhances the unique appearance of the live-tile look of WP7. It looks very much like gloss poster paint because of the richness of the colors and the perfect black background.

If you have the choice of spending a couple hundred for an HTC version or a Focus, go for the Focus. You also get extra internal storage of 8GB. By the way, make sure to grab a Rev. 1.3 version Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
agreed, the focus or the venue pro post-mango are the only 2 devices I'd reccomend. I don't know what HTC is doing wrong but their devices just aren't battery friendly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pandamaja:
I picked up an HTC Arrive this weekend. Regardless of hardware, wp7 is slick. Its organized and smooth. I prefer android due to its amazing customizability, but there's no doubt wp7 has an amazing interface. My only real issue is the lack of apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Wait and give Mango a good go. I find the difference night and day for usability, especially the social integration and superb messenger system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
It's mostly subjective reasoning. I can see WP7 being the gaming phone of choice, but for customization Linux has always been where it's at. To just use W7(on a computer) is awesome with plenty of applications more than anyone else and extensive 3rd party commercial support. That is the burden OSX and Linux users have to deal with. For me it's not worth it, I'll continue running OSX and Linux in a VM where they pretty much belong imo. Wine can't run everything, so that isn't a viable excuse that I know will be tossed out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I agree, but aside from customization I see no reason for the general populace to use it, aside from price and it's burden as an iPhone alternative I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] j0hnZ:
If you don't feel stuck using a particular operating system(Windows) because that's where all the games and apps are then you actually have a choice. The great majority has chosen, when WP7 gains enough ground and has a decent supply of apps then it might swing another direction. Who knows, but if you feel like there isn't really an alternative to Windows on your PC like I do, then when given the option your going to go with something you can actually make your own. That was the original selling point when Android first came out on T-Mobile. It's the reason I went with it, and it hasn't disappointed ME yet since I can change whatever I don't like about it. I've used WP7 and iphones and I just don't care for them, so for me WP7 sucks I don't like anything about it from the UI of the home launcher, to the UI of the built in apps. It's subjective and represents an opinion that I have.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Understandable and I totally see why android is for you. I mean it's the new winmo, the modders device. However I know many who don't do anything aside from call and text and play the occasional game. For these people iOS or even wp7 would be ideal but it's not an option. This is why I feel that androids success lies largely in its availability.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I couldn't agree more. Actually if WP7 were cheaper the story might be different, but that will never happen because Microsoft has set some strict standards for OEMs. Actually being an usual high end phone user this doesn't bother me at all and is absolutely a good method for keeping the platform optimized, but there's a bunch of people who just care about the price tag, and it will be hard to convince them that paying a bit more will allow them to have a better experience. Also, there is another problem with WP7: the ui. It's not bad in my opinion, it's quite interesting, but it's not mainstream enough to make people yell: "oh nice, it looks like an iPhone!". Sad enough, but it's all about that for common people, the tile approach is a bit confusing at the first glance for regular noobs, just too different for them to try to use it and understand how it works, even tho once you get to it it's all very simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] premsurya:
hey ur post is tempting me to check out a windows phone.. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
one of the two tango updates early next year brings support for lower-end hardware. I don't feel Microsoft will establish dominance in the mobile market til their integration with windows 8 is displayed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
We'll see. I suppose it's better for them not to release phones with too low specs, otherwise WP will become another Android OS real quick. I suppose it's ok instead to keep selling older phones as lower end devices, just like Apple does: phones like the Omnia 7 and the LG Optimus 7 are really cheap now, and they still work nicely. Actually i'm pretty curious about everything WP since i got the Omnia 7 that a friend of mine swapped for an android: this mobile OS is much, much better than i thought. Maybe your love for this platform may seem a bit excessive to some people here, but still i gotta face the fact that lately this forum is filled with fandroids talking out of their arses. I can't really understand how they can't realize that not only nerds like us use smartphones: androids are a must have toy for nerds (like me), but if you care about getting things done and you don't wanna toy around with your phone all day (like i do and actually love to do) iOS and WP7 are the only viable options. Some posts are very hard to stand around here, but all in all i still like this forum: finding some people to have a decent conversation with got kinda harder, but it's still possible. Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] upichie:
Food for thought: if the average consumer is not technically inclined, why does Android have the largest user base? Does this not discredit the 'fact' that only tech-savvy users can use an Android phone? And if you feel that the majority only purchase Android over iOS and WP7 because of their price tag, does this not prove that Android is fully usable and enjoyable by even the non-tech-savvy users?

Decent conversation isn't hard to find in this community—not in the slightest. A decent conversation, in my opinion, is one that provokes thought, stimulates ideas, and expands upon discussion. If no one ever had a differing opinion than you—if you were sitting in a room overshadowed by agreeance—nothing would ever change. And given our technical affinities here, in this developer community, we should all realize the growth this incurs.

And again, just food for thought. You guys have no current discussion here: you're simply masturabting to Windows Phone 7. ;)

(Not a 'fandroid'.)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vnvman:
I'm not sure i understood the point you're trying to make. Android is usable imho, just not as usable as WP7/iOS, but it's way cheaper and has a lot of different form factors at the point that you are very likely to find exactly what you're looking for. These are the reasons why androids are selling like pie imho. At the end of the day you buy what you like, drop what you don't, there's not much to masturbate about. I just think that Windows phones aren't getting the love they deserve here because they're no longer the phones for the geeks and modders. I like Android because it's fun to mess with (like many on xda i guess), but common people like it because it's cheap and they have some actual choice in terms of hardware. We have to face the fact that xda isn't the real world, even tough we spend all day and night here ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dakine:
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. It's time to grow up and quit the fanboyism, you gain or lose nothing by the temporary success or failure of a specific software company so just call it like it is. To call the hacking of a device in order to fix lag a "feature" is just insane. Android has some problems, IOS and WP have different problems and barring a global catastrophe they will all be fixed eventually.