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[Galaxy S II General] carlos67:
Erm, the temperature sensor is measuring the battery temp. It's a known fact that batteries are more efficient at cooler temps. I have seen many times that (under the same conditions) my current draw is higher when the battery temp is high, and lower when the batt temp is lower. Even your own stats show this!

So, if you had 2 totally identical sgs2's, one in a hot room, the other in a cold room, which do you think with drain to zero first? It's not rocket science matey. That's my point.

Anyway, were way OT here aren't we?
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
Uhm I think you're having a bit a "who was first, the chicken, or the egg" logic problem there. Higher temperature of the battery is correlated to higher drain because when you actually drain the battery you're using up electricity that gets wasted to heat, when you use the device, you also have it in your hands most of the time so that also adds heat, and most importantly the processor is what is emitting most of the heat and that radiates through the whole device and also heats up the battery, which a mere 2cm away.

In your example both devices will drain at the same time to zero, given that they were under the same conditions during their lifetime before the test. Theoretically the cold one would even drain first because the heat on the second one would lower its internal resistance and thus be able to "get more out of it". The only reason you have the misconception that is is related to heat it because when you keep a battery for longer periods of time in an warm environment, the battery deteriorates. It's nothing else than a container of material full of chemical energy, and the chemical and physical aspects of that disfavor low and high temperatures, and the battery loses on capacity. The whole thing is actually rocket science, minus the aerodynamics. ;)
[Galaxy S II General] Molitro:
Is almost surprising how incredibly extended this is.

It's very usual to see people say variations of "my battery is lasting longer and the phone is not as hot" (or vice versa), ignoring that simple fact that is more power used = more energy needing to be dissipated.
[Galaxy S II General] carlos67:
There are only 2 ways that a batteries temp can increase......

1. From a rise in ambient temperature

2. From usage (in other words heat radiated from the cpu when the cpu is under load).

Therefore, we are both correct. My hot/cold room scenario is correct and your radiated heat from cpu scenario is also correct.

However, you seem to suggest that batteries do not drain quicker, the hotter they become. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about this.

Here's the proof http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Cell-Phone-Battery-Last-Longer go down to part two of "prolong the life of your battery"

Sorry but you just lost an argument. Get over it :p:D;)
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
They don't. That link said exactly the same thing which I said. Go and buy yourself some reading comprehension before replying. And yea, done arguing with you, I don't need to deal with such attitudes when trying to correctly explain things.
[Galaxy S II General] carlos67:
Man, calm down :eek:. All of a sudden it's you who seems to have developed the "attitude" with me. Yes, you were trying to explain things.

Correctly? Erm, don't think so my friend.

Anyway, no hard feelings here Andrei, let's get back on topic and forget this silly little spat. :p

If I want to have an argument, hell I've got my missus for that :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S II General] Molitro:
carlos67, Andrei is right man...
[Galaxy S II General] KennyLegend:
Yup...im afraid Carlos is not correct on this point.

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[Galaxy S II General] staygold1gr:
so where are we then, has this new kernel fixed the problem? god how much i get pissed off when people call it a myth, it is a serious issue, loads of people have it they just don't know it and just accept that the phone's battery is poor when its not, damn you samsung
[Galaxy S II General] KennyLegend:
Oh it def is not a myth. It IS a driver problem. Related to wifi /data.

Sent from my iPhone 5
[Galaxy S II General] pharmacoholic:
ICS

Will ICS with the updated kernel stop this problem?
[Galaxy S II General] Nar4:
Please tell me does the kernel really sutable for OTHER Galaxy devices?

Particularly for Samsung GT-I9003 Galaxy S scLCD

Thanx
[Galaxy S II General] Vulpix:
No, you're in a i9100 forum so please don't do anything retarded.
[Galaxy S II General] nightryde:
Obviously not all SGS2 phones are affected by this. Has there been a list of models that are affected?

Is Samsung doing replacements for people that are affected? If yes, what have you needed to do to get a replacement?
[Galaxy S II General] Capp5050:
Interesting explanation - and I'm sure that much, if not all that you stated was correct -- except for one thing -- it is NOT a myth. There is a VERY REAL problem, and we should not diminish this fact just because it is difficult to pin down the exact cause.

'Android OS' over-use (whether in reality or a 'display error') may be a symptom of the issue, but let's not confuse issues and assertions here.

My phone uses approximately 10% of juice per hour. This happens at home; this happens at rest, this happens on the road, this happens traveling (I was just in another state). Now, if the updated kernel causes the 'Android OS' to stop displaying at such high levels, and I'm still losing 10%/hr on average, then there REMAINS a problem, whether a 'display bug' was fixed or not.

Calling it a 'myth' contributes to diminishing what could be a serious issue. Yes, 10-12 hours of battery time might be impressive to those who are coming from older generation phones, but this is NOT what I paid for.

So instead of spending so much time beating down others' observations, perhaps you can put what is clearly a large amount of relevant knowledge, towards helping assess, communicate, and escalate this issue.
[Galaxy S II General] yhrn:
+1. On Wifi I get 15-20% drain per hour (AOS around 60%, watchdog going crazy on suspend and events/0). Please don't tell me that's how it's supposed to be.
[Galaxy S II General] xyzulu:
Try cm7. I'm finding battery life has doubled as a result. Who knows what Samsung roms are doing, but I can't find one with battery life as good and so little aos usage along with high CPU issue for suspend events.
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
have u checked ur wakelocks? Exchange sync on? Weird apps doing some infinite loop goodness? Install betterbatterystats, CPU spy and do a dumpsys alarm in terminals... on top of this, if ur on an old kernel, change it...

ur issue may be due to no deep sleep among others. I am aware android os can be high however ppl need to have a look before they can confidently say the bug exists for them..

Btw, he does have valid points with scientific reasoning to support his opinions... lets get along and leave feelings out of it please.
[Galaxy S II General] Arjs:
WOW!! and i thot I was the only one taking numerous screenshots of the battery usage screen and trying to figure out wtf is wrong !!

I'm not Alone :p
[Galaxy S II General] slavistyle:
CM7 seems to have fixed the issue. i've never had an AOS bug as far as i remember and with the CM7 neither. but a lot of people reported that it's gone now.

but i have a question to all of you: isn't it possible that the AOS bug is a hardware problem? so that it couldn't be fixed. i mean if nobody can find a solution (maybe cm7 isn't fixing it at all), the problem is deeper...
[Galaxy S II General] ivangs1:
I also start thinking that his is possible hardware problem with phone (the worst case) or with battery (better case), because not all users are affected.

I have ordered new battery and hope this will solve the problem.

My battery drain is very good in first hour after restart - it is between 0 and -2mA and then suddenly it jumps to -80mA.

I am using CM7 nightly 81.
[Galaxy S II General] zippyijk:
Thanks Andrei for the first decent explanation of the problem.

I've been suffering from it for approx 4 weeks now. It started for no reason, I had flashed official KH3, then cfroot, about 5 days before it started to happen. Never had any issue in the 2-3 months I had it before that.

After it started I spent time trying to figure out what was happening which led me to your thread eventually. I then flashed frankenstein KI8 from Intratech. I always do a full wipe including both cache's (sp?) before flashing any new firmware. This didn't fix the issue unfortunately but I wasn't expecting it to from your findings.

I then got the official 2000mAh battery in the post and fitted that. Same issue....I know someone was asking was it hardware/battery...well its not battery related.

Then after you're updates on the Siyah Kernel I flashed that after a wipe and as you're seeing, my AOS is has dropped from 98% (like it was before flashing) to approx 40-50%. BUT I'm still losing a serious amount of battery power.

Here is my battery usage from when I was sleeping last night and the phone was sitting on my bedside locker...i.e. it wasn't used at all.

I know you've said, its a great device even with this bug, but for me I can't afford to have a device that will drain even while not being used in approx 12hrs, its not acceptable and if its not fixed soon I think I'll be moving back to HTC even though they've had their problems too.
[Galaxy S II General] aqualeris:
Try turning off your wifi. You have a few wakelocks but it isn't possible for a few wakelocks inbetween to cause your graph to decrease almost with a constant gradient.

Read somewhere certain routers dislike the SGS2 and can cause immense drain on standby. Either turn it off or set the wifi to cut off during standby by using the sleep policy thing..
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
Oh, and for that matter, a Samsung representative has been made aware and pointed out to the issue, we'll see how the response will be.
[Galaxy S II General] general forceps:
With Siyah 1.8 I am getting 93% in deep sleep, 0% in 800Mhz state (1% @500; 4% @200; moderate usage) since I unplugged today at 0700 CET.

Android OS 3%; Android System 27%; Display 25% in the settings screen.

Battery sits at 74% now.

I would therefore conclude I do not seee to have the bug. Still, by midnight I will be dry just like I was when AndroidOS showed a much higher usage.

Will report tomorrow tho.
[Galaxy S II General] Geumbou:
I'm using MIUI - flashed CM7's Mon Oct 10 kernel. AOS is at 19% after 24 hours of unplugged light usage (3G on, 23 min calling, 1 hour display... I know, very light usage).

But the battery is at 51% which is pretty damn good imo. Normally with the same usage it would have died by now. (I have a 2000mah battery btw).

Fix or no fix, I'm happy with these results.
[Galaxy S II General] sahibunlimited:
7 hrs on battery but android processes only 4%

so no bug in sony ericsson
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
I don't know why the hell the XDA editor decided to post my thread on the frontpage without even mentioning at all that this is all in context of the Galaxy S2. I know there's other devices out there facing the same problem, but it's not really meant to be for them.
[Galaxy S II General] coolfire:
You're gonna be famous! :D

Sent from my SGSII
[Galaxy S II General] rasinell:
Don't forget that your signal strength plays a big part. At home on on 'e' usually no more than 2 bars signal, with data sync on I get a day tops. Same usage with wifi n data on I get nearly two days. When I stay at my girls I get best part of day n half on h+ with data on n full signal. Aos doesn't very greatly either way... It is however quite high.

Props to the op for a detailed, logical explanation. I'm not techy enough to be able to judge as to how correct his theory is but it is by far the most logical explanation I've seen.

I ****ing love this phone regardless :-)
[Galaxy S II General] nicolajkl:
It seems on my device that this only happens when wifi is on O_o?

Could that have something to do with the fact that wifi is set to never suspend?
[Galaxy S II General] s2d4:
thank you for replying but u didn't answer the following so I'll ask again. which kernel are u on?

Why did u ignore this suggestion?

dumpsys alarm > /sdcard/alarm.txt? It would have told u exactly what the wakelocks are inside 11000 instances in alarm manager so.we can analize ur problem better... with that much wakelock, its no wonder ur phone drains dry...

I don't think u can blame aos just yet. Please don't find this offensive as I am just trying to help and maybe find a solution for u.
[Galaxy S II General] aceofclubs:
I must be doing something right in my setup for 2.3.3.

2000mah OEM battery

KG1

Ninpo 2.0.5

SetCPU UV/UC

Various frozen apps/bloatware

Older class sdcard with titanium backup writing to it on one of the days.

Background sync on gmail.

Plenty of widgets.

As you can see not much screen time. Basically used as a phone the whole time (but various automatic tasks and sync in background). Phone calls, sms, email that's about it. Travelling in different areas from city to country.

I dont have a screen shot of aos but as you can see the battery lasted beautifully.

If I experienced the aos bug the battery would have died long before 4 days hey??

This isn't a new setup I've been using it like this for quite a while.

If you want I can compare setups with others to see if we can narrow down the cause of the aos bug.
[Galaxy S II General] mcmb03:
Excellent research man, this will be very useful info for everyone here. I hope this will help devs and users get closer to finding a solution for this.
[Galaxy S II General] ivangs1:
This night i got new picture.

The biggest consumption has "Cell standby"

I am with SiyahKernel v2.0 and last Nightly CM7.
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
You lost 26% battery in 10h30 overnight and on Wifi? What's the screen time? More explanation and details people, what are we supposed to do with a simple screenshot like that.
[Galaxy S II General] KennyLegend:
I just lost 2% overnight in 8 hours.

Have i got the AOS bug??

Dammm!!!

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[Galaxy S II General] ivangs1:
I am sorry - you are right about details.

The phone was charged only to 90% not to 100% so i have lost 16%.

The ting which bothers me is that in first one hour after recharge the consumption is about -2mA the it suddenly jumps to -30mA and grow with -10mA during the night.

It never go down to -2mA.

Is this normal?
[Galaxy S II General] nicolajkl:
That's a joke right?

Btw anyone else with wifi on only aos?
[Galaxy S II General] AndreiLux:
2mA is absurdly low, I only ever got that during GSM network without wifi and data, that might be some limitation of the estimate of Battery Monitor. 6-8mA was the lowest I have gotten over a long period of time (See screenshot a few pages back with the 11h uptime with just 6% drain). Those spikes up to 30mA are pretty much exactly what I found to be happening when we notice the bad suspend behavior. I bet you if you had a kernel without the .14 patches, the drain would be the same or similar and AOS would just go up, but that just my guess. I'm draining up to 80mA in idle, just like you, on the same kernel.
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
FLASH 10.3 IS RELEASED PLEASE GOTO MY NEW THREAD FOR DOWNLOAD :d THE LINK IS -------------> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1310222

to get flash player and bbc iplayer head over to my other thread. :D http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=18413738#post18413738

ive decided to keep on with this project but will be a slow 1 okay people :)

READ BELOW ABOUT ROSIE.APK.

just as a proof of concept if you want to install rosie apk then use root explorer copy it to system/app go to it change the permissions to the same as all the other reboot then it will be in your system :)IT DOES NOT WORK ITS JUST PROOF THAT IT CAN BE INSTALLED ON OUR PHONES WITHOUT HTC FRAMEWORK......... but i am looking at the rosie.apk in the hopes that i MAY be able to get FULL rosie on our phones just doing this to prove to people rosie does NOT rely on the HTC framework to install :)

PLEASE DONT SPAM THIS THREAD WITH USELESS Q's

with teeter you have to use root explorer and move it to system/app then reboot and will be working 100% ill make a flashable zip for all these apps if thats what you want just request and ill upload the flashable zip

PLEASE NOTE.......... IF U WANT FULLY WORKING FLASH UNZIP LIBFLASHPLAYER.ZIP TAKE THE LIBFLASHPLAYER.SO MOVE IT TO SYSTEM/LIB WITH ROOT EXPLORER INSTALL THE NORMALL FLASH PLAYER.APK REBOOT THEN THAT ShOULD SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS :)

NEW FLASH PLAYER UPLOADED ENJOY!!!

feel free to thank me if this helped you :D stay tuned for FULLY working flash.x8.apk :D

new flash player uploaded and this 1 100% works :)

more apps are inside the thread take a look and see what you find :P :D

if you like my work donate to me :D

WHEN USING FLASH PLAYER PLEASE BOUBLE CHECK ITS WORKING BY GOING TO WWW.YOUTUBE.CO.UK on your phones browser and post here if you have any troubles. but it is tested and working 100% with no flaws in the 4days it was tested for :) AND I ALSO JUST TESTED WITH BBC IPLAYER !!! IT WORKS 100% SO GET YOURSELF THE BBCIPLAYER.APK AND YOULL BE ABLE TO WATCH MISSED SOAPS LIKE EASTENDERS ON YOUR X8 :d:d:d:d

just a reminder. I will Not Tolerate people mirroring my apk's to other sites if you are found out to be doing this you will have No access to my apk's and i will remove ALL apps from xda. this will affect everyone. so dont do it :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] timpot07:
Nice..more...more...
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
reserved for further use ..
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] kevinlogix:
We are all interested in this.

We would all like to see if u post a porting apps from sense's guide thread here.:)

Thanks! Go go go!!!
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] timpot07:
Wow! 5mins only? Nice..
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
what do you mean ?
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] hiesenhuer:
It worked! yahoo! i only installed the Flashplayer.apk and flash is working fine on websites... yehey! does dis mean we can now play flash games??? yehey!
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
yes :) it sure does
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Hamzai82:
hey paul, this is for all roms right..? or is it for 2.1 only..? :)!
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] kevinlogix:
I'm asking you if you may give us the tutorial of PORTING SENSE APPS...I mean.
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
yes for all roms :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
sorry i cant do that lol otherwise there would be no point in me making this thread lol :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] hiesenhuer:
not working need new flash version on this site
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Hamzai82:
o ok, which website did u use? i want to test it out. :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
im uploading new 1
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] DeFcOn:
it will be work on gingerbread roms or only 2.1?:confused:
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] XperianPro:
Thats great!!!!
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Hefko:
C'ant download FlashPlayer.apk :) please, reupload
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Hamzai82:
its for all roms
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
new flash player uploaded u can check working by visiting www.ikea.co.uk on your phone browser after installing flash player
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Hamzai82:
Yes, adobe flash player 10.1 works! :D! thanks man! ;)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] hiesenhuer:
yehey! adobe flash player 10.1! thanks!... 100% working!...
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] kevinlogix:
Can't wait!!

I want Rosie:D
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
im just going to port rosie again as for some reason it was corrupt on my pc give me 5 ins and ill upload the rosie apk but once installed you MUST delete as it will mess fone up. but i just want u all to see u can have rosie on ur phone WITHOUT the full rom okay :) then when ive ported ALL apps ill make a rom with it :) using my old freaky froyo rom :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] copper62472:
sms and dialer app is so good if u can port

nice work
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
HTC flashlite.apk lol

i am porting the htc flash lite to our phone untill i realised we dont have a flash on our camera lol silly me :P but its just to show all u guys im going a good job take a look its below. but dont keep it on your phones theres no use for it as we have no flash but its funny to mess with anyways :P
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
yes im working on them 2 they are the ones i am trying to get 1st as they are the main ones people want :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] stelios97:
i have tried flashlight to x10 mini which have camera flash but not working? please can you fix it?
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
yes ill fix and upload the apk but i need to get rosie back working 1st as thats the main 1 okay
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] rafcamora91:
great work dude, finnaly we have flashplayer on x8 :D
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
no problem mate :) i will be uploading teeter ( HTC game soon )
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] proadi96:
Hi i got application not installed for rosie.apk and teeter.apk why?
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
use root explorer to move them to system/app then reboot :D
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] proadi96:
Ok i will try thanks ;)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] panchuckles:
Oh my god, flash player work!!!!

FROYOBREAD V22, dolphin hd Browser

Enviado desde mi X8 usando Tapatalk
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] FireMax_:
Rosie is a Launcher? Don't work.
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] proadi96:
Yes i change the permissions and teeter is working but rosie is not ;)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] zephiel:
Nice. Cant install Rosie. Keep it up.

Suggestion:

Why not give a little of info about the apps in the first page. Ü
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] panchuckles:
ok, flash works, but when I reboot my phone flash player does not work :(
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] maliceomalice:
so must i download the plug in for flash if the player already works?

p/s

it will be good if anyone is kind enough to tell me what is rosie and teeter... :) thanks
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] proadi96:
Rosie=htc laucher (?) Teeter= htc game ;)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] fay5656:
sory..but why i cant install the flash in 2.1?

sorry for my bad english
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
no it ONLY installs if you read 1st post. i ONLY uploaded it as proof that it can be installed on other devices it does not work i just did it to prove to every1 that it can be on our phones without the full HTC rom
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] madhusudan1026:
Heyy.. I just moved the flash_player.apk into system/app with RE and rebooted. But still did nt get flash support...I am using FroyoBread023b... Any suggestions?? Any thing wrong in the way I hav done?
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] - Swift -:
Nah, flash doesn't work for me. I even rebooted and tryed both of them. And I'm running stock rom.

SE X8 Rooted
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] zephiel:
I just install the APK normally for Flash Player and it works for me, but I get FC of Browser when trying to view a Youtube Video in Linux Desktop user agent mode.
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] SpliFFdu95240:
Flash player don t work on X10 Mini with MiniCM7-2.1.2

What Difference between Flash and Flash lite ?
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
flash full wil only work on custom rom not stock. and dont push it to system app just install apk as normal

i have had this flash player on my x8 running cm7 by fxp and its been on my phone for a week and its running smooth no FC no reboot nothing :)
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] mozil177:
Its installed, but wasnt letting me to play flash gqme, got fc on browsing.
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
i have said 3 times will not work on stock rom
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] stelios97:
why discontinued???
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] Paul1989:
read first post
[XPERIA X8 Themes and Apps] mozil177:
Ohh man, please dont give up, keep ur good works as we all hope. Dont leave this thread with hopeless.