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[HTC Titan] drokkon:
HD7 or...?

I accidentally laundered my Samsung Focus, so I need a WP7 replacement!

I was wondering if anyone who has had experience with both the HD7 and the Titan whether the Titan would be worth the premium? I can get the HD7 free from AT&T with my upgrade, and I'm sure the Titan will come at a premium ($200, $300?).

Honestly, I REALLY like the look of that 8MP camera (http://www.wpcentral.com/camera-comparison-htc-titan-vs-hd7), but am I $200 worth of excited? The upped specs would be nice, but my Focus ran pretty darn smoothly, and I can't see myself using the front-facing camera terribly often. My eyes aren't bad, so while I don't NEED the huge screen, it would be neat. Of course, if the resolution looks crappy at that size... Plus, the HD7 has a kickstand. First, why don't ALL smartphones have kickstands at this point? Second, why wouldn't the HD7 sequel with a bigger screen not have one?!?

I'd also love anyone's conjecture as to whether the other upcoming WP7 AT&T phones (Focus S, I think?) might be preferable to the HD7 and/or worth their premiums.
[HTC Titan] bencassie:
Ive just upgraded to a Titan from an HD7 and I freaking love it.

It was totally worth the upgrade. The camera seems to be great and the screen is fantastic. The old HD7 screen looks terrible in comparison. I couldnt go back now.
[HTC Titan] drokkon:
Wow. That's a tough pill to take. THANKS! :)
[HTC Titan] The Jones:
I have an HD7 and want to check out a Titan. The screen on the HD7 is frankly terrible compared to any newer devices, HTC or otherwise (eg, the Desire HD which I also have is far superior in that regard).

Question for you though, what is the sound quality like through headphones compared to the HD7 especially volume? I find the HD7 struggles to drive my headphones properly - again my Desire HD is much more capable here, more powerful and louder essentially.
[HTC Titan] bencassie:
Just tried a comparison, definitely louder on the Titan and clearer. Couldnt turn it up past 22/30 as I'm an old fart.
[HTC Titan] Dragon Queen:
Could any of you that have already gotten the Titan dribble some pictures from the camera to the rest of us? Pretty Please?
[HTC Titan] PG2G:
Here is a nice comparison between HD7 and Titan cameras:

http://www.wpcentral.com/camera-comparison-htc-titan-vs-hd7
[HTC Titan] Raspster:
Ok, been playing for just alittle and so far, works with AT&T perfectly. A couple things... For those of you that have the Titan, are there any other videos in the HTC watch app other than the preview trailers? I don't even see a spot to log into my account. There is a "check" button that only checks your region and thats it. I set all the regions within settings to USA but I don't even see a section to enter the region for the HTC Watch app unless it's pulling it from the phone settings. Also, can't find out how to use the Tango part on the phone..?
[HTC Titan] jassmun:
I am thinking to buy the Titan and my consider point is the camera.

Could anyone has the Titan, Please compare the camera with iPhone 4?
[HTC Titan] willwwa:
I see you are on AT&T. Where did you get your Titan?
[HTC Titan] Raspster:
From handtec.co.uk Everything seems to be working just fine. It auto configured to AT&T right from the start. Everything works ok with the exception of the HTC Watch app. All I get are the trailers. I set everything to US region and still no dice. Seems like there are others on AT&T with other windows phone devices with the same issue. I'm sure it will be worked out soon on the HTC side. Pretty cool that the markplace even added a tile for AT&T apps. All apps seem to be in the marketplace. The camera is amazing. One of the best I've seen on an HTC device. I just wish it had the wide view angle (not panarama) like what we have on android HTC devices in the camera app. Batt life so far seems alittle light but I have been beating the hell out of it. When things calm down, I'll know more. Can't find the Tango video chat part on the phone anywhere. It's sappose to be intergrated into the OS but I don't see any signs of it anywhere..?

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Better pics than iphone 4. Shutter is slightly behind the iphone 4 but I don't think any phone has a shutter as fast as the iphone 4.
[HTC Titan] ThomasJ2772:
Is there word on when this phone will be available from AT&T?

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Where did you hear that visual voicemail was "coming soon." I've called and spoken to people at several levels of tech support and non of them even knew the phones were now capable of visual voicemail.

I spoke to someone at an AT&T core location yesterday and they had heard no rumors of upcoming provisioning of VVM for Windows Phone users.

Today I spoke with the regional rep for my area and he had never heard that Windows Phones now have the capability for VVm.
[HTC Titan] PG2G:
I don't think AT&T has announced any dates.

Regarding visual voicemail, maybe they didn't say soon but apparently they are working on it.

http://www.wpcentral.com/confirmed-ATT-getting-visual-voice-mail-windows-phone
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
What's the battery life like?

edit: also, what is the audio quality in the zune app like via headphones like when compared to, say, an iphone.
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
Battery life is excellent, mine currently shows 85% after 7 hours off the charger, music quality through the supplied headphones is of course subjective, but I find the HD7 better than my ipad through the supplied headphones - more clarity, seems to have a better dynamic response, ipad souns harsh to me, titan sounds somehow warmer, but of course your personal experience may differ!
[HTC Titan] benjaminchia102:
the viewing of web paged must be very nice. any lagging?

Sent from my OMNIA7 using Board Express
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
No lag anywhere for me so far
[HTC Titan] sayonical:
Have you turned on Sound Enhancer in settings? (or installed the app)
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
What does that app do?
[HTC Titan] sayonical:
Its gives you SRC Enhancement for music which sounds amazing when paired with decent headphones. You also get Dolby Mobile and a Equalizer of presets such as Classical, Jazz, Pop, Vocal Booster etc...

Its pretty great and a major reason I am sticking with HTC over Samsung.
[HTC Titan] ammarmalik:
get a decent headset and you won't need those gimmicky things
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
good headphones can't improve a devices poor dynamic range. The current line of wp7 devices are pretty bad at playing music (compared to mp3 players, or even the iphone), so I'm mostly curious about the titan's sound dynamics.

Also, does the titan have a standard audio jack (for normal headphones)?
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
Standard audio jack on top of the unit, I do not use sound enhancer, it is built in but I prefer as uncluttered a sound as possible. Btw, sound enhancer is found in settings on the titan, not a separate app.
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
im curious how the battery life can be good, since its got a huge lcd screen and a relatively smallish battery (1650). Even previews are saying the battery life is likely to be horrid, as 'common sense' due to the screen and average sized battery
[HTC Titan] The Jones:
I would doubt that the power consumption to screen size ratio would be entirely consistent - double the screen size probably wont use double the power, there are surely some fixed power costs that are unrelated to screen size. Additionally, I am sure that screen technology has improved such that overall power consumption is reduced. On top of all that, the screen is on for only a proportion of the time the phone is on. Improving power consumption of the CPU, and especially the radios in the phone can make a large difference.
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
true, but 'screen' accounts for around 30-40% of the battery consumption on my friends' androids.
[HTC Titan] tomtom140:
Titan

I got my TITAN too, nice phone still I can't believe that we are not able to install third party soft, there is no internal file explorer (you have no access to your rest memory flush). no hot sink, no possibility to install IGO8 or other perferated aps used with HD2.

I will sell the BS phone as soon I can....I feel relay bed about this buy...warts I ever did...and believe me, I had almost all phones from HTC.:mad:
[HTC Titan] edved:
I might be interested. How much you want for it?
[HTC Titan] tomtom140:
is one day old and pay for it 645 EURO...you can have'it for the same price...and I will pay for delivery
[HTC Titan] madmaximillian:
I'll give ya 300 cdn :)
[HTC Titan] tomtom140:
than sorry mate...you have to get form ebay at that price some time later.
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
Trust me, the battery life on my Titan is very good, easily gets through a 16 hour day with 30% left to spare. I will try and do a record of my usage pattern in a typical day to give everybody a better view and post it later
[HTC Titan] pezley:
Agreed on the battery life. Lasting longer than my Omnia 7
[HTC Titan] Avandor:
This is not about being an HTC phone, this is a Windows Phone 7 and its your own fault for not reading on it !

Hope you sell it to someone who can actually enjoy it for what it is, a great piece of equipment with an awesome OS in it.
[HTC Titan] Arjoma:
The OS on the Titan is Windows Phone7 which is theoretically the successor of the old Windows mobile 6.x but it is completely new and pretty closed and unchangeable, almost like iOS.

The old Windows mobile on the older HTC phones os practically dead, the best alternative is probably Android. BTW, there is almost the same device (same hardware) with Android coming out, it's called HTC Sensation XL, maybe you could take a look at it (completely different UI, also different from WinMob., maybe look at some videos on Youtube).
[HTC Titan] Raspster:
I've got to admit, being my 1st time using windows phone 7, and putting it up to windows mobile 6.5, it's light years ahead of WM6.5. I loved my HD2 and we keep forgetting that HTC had YEARS to perfect sense and the user experience in WM6.5. Let's face it, Windows Phone 7 has only been with us for a year now and has ALOT of room to grow. I will say they need to be more aggressive if they want to survive with players like Apple & Android ppping out the updates like they have thou. Some of the things I miss... Being able to upload my youtube videos from the device and having all the share options in the youtube player. yes, there are TONS of youtube apps out there but all of them are real sloppy. MS needs to run with this and step up and make a youtube app like the one on the Android OS. Also, the messaging app. You can't send videos thru MMS. Yes, nice intergration with FB chat and the fact that you can send any of your FB pics thru MMS is real nice. Still lacking an update on some of the basic MMS functions. Maybe in the next update. Also, the browser is crap compared to Android. We knew that. Not even sure if there is HTML 5 on board..? At least the Apple browser hs that and quicktime video support. Microsoft needs to focus on the browser BIG TIME. I must say, it IS very smooth but very plain jane. Again, not nocking windows phone. I really do like it but they need to fix some things if they want to compete with the res and if this is how far they have come in just under a year then they are on the right track! I'm sticking with my Titan!
[HTC Titan] tomtom140:
Hi there...many thanks to you all for your sugesstions, in fact I like the huge phone, the only problem I have is that I can't access the internal storage and install my personal apps on it.

I own also a HTC Sensation, a great phone, the only inconvenience is the 4.3" screen ( I need a minimum a 4.7" for a better reading ).

Fore me 4.7" will do fine, android or windows....still we need access to internal storage and also we schould be abble installing our own apps as we wish and not forced by some company to do what the want...I am not a comunist to gett orders from somoane after I pay over 600Euro for the unit.

Regards
[HTC Titan] domineus:
don't you mean tyrannical king or czar because communism refers to the spread of wealth and resources equally?

I mean as far as the complaints, they're apt. But the thing is, the collection of apps on windows mobile, don't work. Now whether or not a hspl will be released immediately from Cotulla and DFT may allow for easier installation of homebrew xaps though. But for now, you would need a dev unlocked device

Though, that option may be opening up soon
[HTC Titan] slysy:
Are there any issues with headphone mobile static interference (dit-dit-dit etc) like I had on the HD7?
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
Not on mine there aren't
[HTC Titan] leen15:
Someone can do a video compare between titan and hd7? dimension, screen, performance.. :)
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
Ok, battery life yesterday over a 15 hour period off the charger. 10 mins of phone calls, 1 hour internet, 40 minutes listening to music sent 5 sms received 2 sms, 2 emIl accounts set to "as items arrive", 5 minutes of video on HTC youtube. 15 minutes of trying to get media buddy to work on my home network (BT need to fix port forwarding on the home hub 3 NOW).

Battery showed 32% when I put it back on charge at bedtime.
[HTC Titan] XATAGuy:
Where are the Titans?

Has the Titan been spotted anywhere outside of London?

Thanks,

Dave
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
I am in the northwest
[HTC Titan] XATAGuy:
OK. My bad.

I suppose I should have asked the right question...........

How 'bout: Has it been spotted out of England?

Thanks,

Dave
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
Reviewed today on TIMN. http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/10/htc-titan-review/
[HTC Titan] ch1lko:
last week HTC rep told me that both Titan and Sensation XL uses IPS panels
[HTC Titan] arimozuki:
Just got mine :D
[HTC Titan] luckydog98:
The titan looks like a very nice phone to me. I cannot wait until I can upgrade my phone.
[HTC Titan] finalzero:
Had a look at one today, compared it to my HD7, much lighter in the hand slightly bigger but manageable for me (I have big hands..).

Sensation XE looked great as well, might be my Android phone in the future but I may well upgrade to the Titan in the near future.
[HTC Titan] leen15:
i'm waiting to see Titan in italy.. hope as soon as possible :D
[HTC Titan] Techno-Freak:
I am in Brussels (Belgium), and got it on 7th October via smartphoneshop.be

But that still makes it in Europe. Haven't heard of Titan availability outside Europe as of now.
[HTC Titan] XATAGuy:
Thanks, I'm in Germany today and get to Brussels and Liege frequently. I'm trying to find where I can go into a shop and play with one of these. Are they in shops in Belgium, or did you buy yours on line.

Thanks,

Dave
[HTC Titan] Techno-Freak:
I got mine online, and they shipped it pretty soon. They have their store in Antwerp, and as per their website, they have Titan in stock. If you travel to Brussels, you can go and try it for yourself at their Antwerp store, which is not far from Brussels (40 mins by train).

More info. here:

http://www.smartphoneshop.be/product/147218/htc-titan.html

http://www.smartphoneshop.be/klantenservice/item/1343/winkel.html
[HTC Titan] knightsoldier:
at that price im passing this up
[HTC Titan] adesonic:
It ain't cheap but it really is worth it
[HTC Titan] edved:
To each his own, but the reviews thus far aren't glowing and with it being a glass screen one ought to be very careful when handling! I dropped my HD2 from a one meter height and shattered the glass...inoperable and irreparable. Almost a thousand dollars down the drain :(

My Focus is tough as nails!

That being said, I wouldn't mind fondling it a bit and get a feel for what it's like, but there's no date set here in Canada as of yet. Enjoy your new toy!
[HTC Titan] okristian1:
My Huawei U8800 broke down a few months ago and after I got the cash back for it, I did not really know where to put it. The Huawei was cheap for a reason, so I didn't want to go down that path again. Windows Phone 7 was interesting, but the phones seemed old and overpriced. Iphone is just not very interesting to me, and android was getting boring. Then the Titan came out and I had to try it.

I got it this morning and had all my music on it, my twitter, Facebook, contacts and calendar set up before I left for work at around noon. Very easy to set up. Facebook chat integration is very good. When someone is available in Facebook chat it will default to that as long as they are logged in. Camera seems superb to me. But I have only had cheaper phones until now. Battery also seems to hold longer than on previous android phones. Everything is smooth and no hiccups or processes that have stopped working like I got on my own androids, and also on my friends SGS2.

Fits comfortably in my pocket. And I don't have issues with holding it. For watching video or just a youtube clip. Don't understand why people are complaining about the MS youtube app. It worked fine for me. Some apps are missing, but it has most of what I need. I will mostly be using it for texting, calling, e-mail and calendar anyway and for that it works wonderfully.

It feels very solid and well built when it sits in your hand. The weight is well distributed and it is not very slippery to hold.

Specwise I still feel slighly cheated. A dualcore, more ram and a higher resolution is becoming the norm nowadays when paying for a top of the line phone. Even so, this is a second generation snapdragon processor and Wp7 runs very smooth so I suppose that it might not be needed. The only demanding tasks it will be used for anyway is webrowsing, videos and light gaming. I have a gaming rig for the eyecandy.

Feel free to ask questions. And I will try to answer them. I will try and take some pictures tomorrow and upload them.
[HTC Titan] leen15:
Htc titan available at Expansys.it

http://www.expansys.it/htc-titan-windows-phone-smartphone-black-221880/

I don't know if buy it or no! :rolleyes:
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
Unless you're desperate for a new phone or a very large screen, I don't see the point in buying a new WP now when Samsung and Nokia are bout to announce their lineup.
[HTC Titan] z33dev33l:
One week in on the titan and I'm disgusted by the device... The battery life got notably worse after a week, the adhesive between the digitizer and the screen is loose already, the casing gets scratched far too easy, if this is gorilla glass then why do i have 2 small scratches already? My dvp has gorilla glass and it's scratch-free nearly a year later. I already know that if this phone hit concrete from more than a foot or so it'd be in pieces... I am going to drawer this device and use the radar until I can get a Nokia or Samsung 2nd Gen device. I thought the titan would be amazing.
[HTC Titan] leen15:
I've a HD7 and an LG Optimus 7, and i don't see why I should buy a phone with smaller screen or same screen dimension of my HD7. Specs of all models from nokia and Samsung are been revealed, and nothing of that tell me that i've to substitute my HD7.

Only Titan with large screen and good camera tell me BUY ME. :D
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
That's a bit of a silly reasoning considering the Focus S is rumoured to have a 4.3" S-AMOLED Plus screen so it's likely to be at least better than your HD7 if not better than the Titan.

But hey, it's your money!
[HTC Titan] z33dev33l:
The titan is a hefty downgrade from the HD7s honestly... The quality is just bad. I'm getting a replacement, I'll let you know if it's any better.
[HTC Titan] leen15:
Plastic plastic plastic phone, Same screen size of HD7, and a not natural color display.. I had got some phone with amoled screen, and i don't like it, too much contrast on the screen, and samsung pass me always a quality of a "toy" instead of a 600-700€ smartphone. :)

I think i wait for try titan when it's available in some shop here in italy, and in the same time, wait for see if samsung and nokia have some surprise, but i don't believe.

When a phone start to arrive at people, opinions are always different, so i follow this topic to see what happen! :p
[HTC Titan] henry084:
I have just had a touch on HTC Titan recently (in shops). just found the screen has tailing during the scroll, though the colour is gorgeous and the texts are not so dotty as I imagine.

Well, it is now asking for 599EUR, should have some room to drop. BTW, Radar is selling 369EUR, which is more attractive once the white one arrives.:p
[HTC Titan] okristian1:
Some pictures. Default settings and cloudy weather.
[HTC Titan] leen15:
the quality is not so much, but colors appear very natural!
[HTC Titan] okristian1:
Seems like the pictures were heavily compressed when uploading them. (check size). I'll try to give a dropbox link or something later.
[HTC Titan] velvet_man:
The Samsung Hercules has a 4.5" screen at WVGA resolution, and a lot of the reviews say the text looks fuzzy. At 4.7" and the same resolution, I would imaging the Titan has the same fuzzy text problem? Does HTC use the same oversized fonts to compensate like Samsung is doing?
[HTC Titan] Mujja:
Watch the Pocketnow review on Youtube. Brandon's reviews are always very good and he knows what viewers want to see.

He said the text and icons are sharp and you only notice the pixels if you look for them. Also, he is the only one who didn't say the camera is good.

All other reviews you read and watch say camera is good but another Youtube video uploaded yesterday shows a 720p recording taken around London which looks very poor. It could be down to Youtube's compression when the video was uploaded but even taking that in to account the video looks poor.

Which is a shame because I really do like the look of the phone and after the disappointment of the HD7 was ready to jump back to WP7 from my SGS2.

I really want to come back to WP7 because I need to stop flashing ROMs and tweaking and just use the damn phone :)
[HTC Titan] jassmun:
Very nice pictures !!! Contrast and Colora are fantastic!!!

I hope I can see the Photo compare with iphone 4s soon.
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
Why? Are you really curious or is it a secret desire to troll about the iphone 4s? Because I've read repeatedly that it's the best mobile camera around, only possibly challenged by the N8.
[HTC Titan] Mujja:
Pew

Is your reply directed at me?

If it is who would you believe, the few YouTube videos uploaded by retailers praising every part of the hardware or Brandon from Pocketnow who isn't biased and actually knows about phones.

I'm a long time Windows pocket PC and Windows Mobile user. I jumped on to WP7 on launch day and even migrated my domain from Google to Windows Live. Unfortunately the HD7 was a step down from my HD2 (talking hardware only here).!

I want to get a real view of the Titan. The HTC HD7 Desire HD and Sensation all received rave reviews, including the cameras, but all failed to live up to the hype.

With the Titan I'm hoping HTC have learned. I even have a wanted thread over at AVForums So I am serious about getting one but this time I don't want to pay the full retail SIM free price and then sell a month later losing over £100 as with the other 3.
[HTC Titan] 7thSense:
Got my Titan yesterday and I am amazed! Thought I would be a bit bothered by the BIG size coming from my HTC Mozart.. But it is the other way around. I absolutely love the size and the display is fantastic. The whole phone oozes quality when you hold it. Wifi tethering was also enabled on my unbraded device :) and the only thing I can't find on it is the Tango video calling app.. Oh, and it sits perfectly in my jeans pocket (even sitting down) due to being so thin.

If you are thinking about buying a Titan.. Set your worries aside and get it. It will blow you away! I'm smiling everytime I use it :)
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
Post was for jassmun :)
[HTC Titan] Peew971:
I've just checked pocketnow's video and they straight up call the camera mediocre, which is a shame considering the 8MP. But I've given up on HTC a long time ago anyway, my next WP will definitely be a Samsung or a Nokia.