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[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Of course, Apple has conditioned people to not care about updates since they don't really add a lot of new features..? The only thing that made people excited was Jobs' great marketing, and I'd guess that since he's been out of the picture, they're not nearly as excited as they could be...?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jmsdvs:
My b70 is rooted, guess I got a lucky one
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blessedswine:
apple has done a great job of making thier os updates just bla, by releasing the major ones with new phones. people are more excited for the phones. reason people with android want the new os is cause google adds some good **** to thier major updates, i cant think of a recent one which didnt add some features that people actually want.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fregor:
HC is a placeholder, it was stressed out due to the threat from ipad. There's still a lot to wish from Android tablet os.

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Android 2.3.5 was pushed, that's still Gingerbread.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Lokks:
Lol you will have to have Jelly bean first then that
[Eee Pad Transformer General] FabioRochapt:
You can be curious and want something new so i guess thats why you are so *****ie about the delay of ice cream, but, there isnt much to say that is wrong about honeycomb.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
I think its wonderfull that they are respecting steve he was a great man in many fields even before i knew what a computer was i had enjoyed the movies of pixar as a child.

I hope they are doing it out of genuine respect and not just linning up the new release date for the iphone 5.

If they did that i would not be happy thats not homage or respect thats putting a spin on a situation to work out a few more bugs pretend to grieve then bang bring it out same day as iphone 5 good PR

??????

I think if they just posponed by a month it would be fine that way they honour steve but still release the new product. Steve pushed the release of a few products some before they where expected to come out im sure waiting a month in the tech community would be enough to not be disrespectfull?

Either way R.I.P Steve and ICYS for Christmas
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
I hope they get a working PPTP VPN, it would be about time...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] PatrickVogeli:
I just want ICS because it won't be too long until we see some very great apps which won't work on anything lower than ICS... also our TFs will probably loose a lot of resell value if it doesn't run the latest OS available.

And latest' not to mention some of the problems HC has and still haven't been fixed
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Wybo:
The reason why ICS is better for us then HC is that HC is a temporary OS. Many developers say that they will not make apps for HC because they wait for ICS that has a new api so they can write for the whole market at once.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
By the way, who comes up with these damn names? Gingerbread, Froyo, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich... one of those does not belong. They should have gone for something REALLY nerdy, like each version update corresponds to an atom or something. Or NutterButter instead of HoneyComb.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] smackdownn:
they are going letter wise and dessert names cupcake,donut,eclair,froyo,gingerbread,honeycomd,icecream sandwich..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
Next one is rumored to be jellybean
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
With ICS out, honeycomb will soon be forgotten, we will finally get all apps feet on our tablets and our phones as for now this and browsing are the worst things in honeycomb..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
X2^
[Eee Pad Transformer General] smackdownn:
imagine what would be the next one after jellybean.. kiwi?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Grumsh:
Key Lime Pie.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
I don't know why you guys think ICS release will magically make developers support tablets that have very small numbers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] kaylord84:
If they support phones they would support tablets ice cream sandwich will be one os for tablets and phones
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Tablets need a seperate layout. Developers don't bother because the numbers are too small.

You're going to continue seeing ICS apps that don't have tablet support.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bisto321:
I thought the whole point of ICS is that you can't write apps that exclude one or other device?

It is a cross platform (phone and tablet) development of the OS and apps will work on both.

The layout/scale thing has been sorted with ICS.

What specifically do you think will not be available on a tablet - other than the obvious 'make a phone call'?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Where did you get that idea? The Android market actually has measure just to exclude devices from getting to apps, if the developer chooses to do so.

The same way that small screens are hardly supported, tablets aren't going to get support until the number of users start adding up.

ICS doesn't do anything magical that will suddenly make apps not laid out for tablets to be laid out for tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bisto321:
Quote from Google:

Early this year, Honeycomb (Android 3.0) launched for tablets. Although Honeycomb remains tablets-only, the upcoming Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) release will support big screens, small screens, and everything in between. This is the way Android will stay from now on: the same version runs on all screen sizes.

Android Developers Blog

If a developer chooses not to use the new features of the SDK and fragments to provide a cross platform app, then they are either really lazy or just plain stupid - It's now going to be easy to do.

If you are making a well thought out quality app, surely you will not want to lock it down to just small or large screen devices?

Not saying you are wrong about developers still doing this - just saying that the new OS provides an easy way to make apps for both devices.

Why would a developer not use this functionality?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
Why would a developer not divert resources to support a layout for a small user base?

Because of the small user base.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bisto321:
Small user base or not - if you are building a new app from the ground up for ICS and are serious about users getting your app - why not make a few small additions to support both devices and provide a friendly and efficient GUI for both devices?

I can absolutely see why a devs older apps, for lower api's, could be a pain to recompile and tweak for ICS, but fresh ICS apps really should be given at least the basic cross platform additions that ICS should allow.

Suppose we will have to wait and see exactly what the SDK additions are and how nice the ui support is.

If it really is difficult to do, then Google will have totally missed the whole point of this OS - especially considering that it was conceived by them to prevent the current device fragmentation and make the platform more like ios (works on both phone and tab)

Can't wait to get all my devices on ICS and share all those nice ICS apps - not to mention Launcher Pro for ICS :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
Android will support all sizes, not the apps. So instead of Google having to maintain a phone and a tablet os, they will have everything more easy to handle... And that's totally a good idea. Also, keep in mind that an automated layer of compatibility means just "resized phone app" not a proper layout made for tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gottahavit:
with any luck all apps written for one device will work on all, but if you think apps will be 'automagically' tablet optimized withouf]t design and development time you've either never been involved in development OR.......

.....you're a manager :)

sorry couldn't resist.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
There are somewhere around 3.5 million active honeycomb tablets, looking at the 1.8% share of 3.X devices and assuming 170 million active Android devices. That's not a bad little market, all considering.

I'm guessing that many developers are simply waiting for ICS, to avoid coding twice. After all, they'll be recoding for phones as well, and that will translate much more efficiently to tablets on ICS. Given that many phone apps run fine on tablets, even if not optimized, I think there's no incentive for the extra work at this point.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] finalhit:
actually, the whole unification thing ICS is introducing is called "fragments", or "application fragments" or something like that. (it's been i while since i saw the conference about it)

anyway, the whole point of it is to provide developers a framework that enables them to write certain parts of their apps once, and lay them out in various ways, depending on screen size.

it still requires some effort on the developer's part, but it supposedly makes it a lot easier. i believe they used the HC gmail app to demonstrate the usefulness of app fragments. for tablets, the use sees two panes, the inbox list, and the preview pane. the exact same apk used in a phone will simply fork the view, and only show one or the other.

you can technically do this now, but i belive the new framework makes it much easier...or so they say. also, don't underestimate the tablet user-base.

to say that there's a million android tablet users is a huge understatement, and 1 million is an audience worth targetting. if you're a new developer looking for your first big app, considering the decreased competition, it's an excellent idea to target tablets.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mrevankyle:
dude really. you do realize that every single oem to make an android device since early this year signed an agreement with google to have the latest version and updates of android for 18 months after the release date (Hardware permitting*). i think were fine
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
As a programmer with two apps in Android Market I have to say it: not all apps scale well. For example my memory game works on any screen size but I had to design separate levels for phones because small tiles would be hard to tap. My second game - spider solitaire - just doesn't work on small screens because the cards are too small (I'd have to change the theme of cards, but it would still be very far from perfect - so I chose not to add support for small screens - there are better solitaires for them anyway).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bisto321:
ICS should help you out then, no? One app with both sets of ui resources that will be utilised depending on device detection or app that shows just one activity on phone or two/three in fragment panes for tablet.

As finalhit mentioned, you can make apps work on both devices now if you use the sdk/API well.

I used the word scale earlier, I think that over simplifies what is required - but ICS should make it easier.

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@ Magnesus

Love the owl game - very good.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
You don't need ICS to do this. I have an app with a single APK that has a launch activity that decides to use the tabletactivity or phoneactivity when launched. It works perfectly....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bisto321:
Yes, thats what I am saying. Write it with ui and layouts for both and launch correct activity for each.

ICS is bringing one API for all and adds the fragment features for larger screens (lot more too, I hope) - this will just make it easier to code for both.

I am not a dev, but I have written a small app to control my Sony av amp. The ui is not fixed - it dynamically scales for both devices.

I am just tinkering and looking forward to using fragments to update it - proper devs should be able to make good use of the new features.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
So if the whole screen is scaled are the contents also?

Would be really good to have custom fonts that actualy scale properly
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tombolek:
I wonder why they postponed the ICS launched :(
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Steve Jobs' death.

IMHO, everyone should kick apple while it's leader is down.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Jocelyn:
OMG lol @ you! You don't think they're going to the funeral? ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jeffc83:
I am really hoping I can root at one point like a few others. (B80 here) At least I can hang in there with stock for now but also check this site everyday for an update. It's just so hard running stock with no root:(

Would love to run ICS on this one day...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
OMG yes love it!!!!!!! I could never say it quite that harshly but that just made my afternoon quickly kick it kick it while its on all fours struggling to breath rofl

(In head vision of a rotten apple falling to pieces while cawling toward little android man with baseball bat)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Apples naturally rot. Androids, on the other hand... Well, read the Foundation Trilogy and other related books, you'll find out how Androids do!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
They have a bad habit of enslaving humans? :P
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
The **** is wrong with you?

Some of you people are pathetic.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mb02:
Who invited Microsoft here?

Sent from my creaky Thunderbolt
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Ok so bck to the subject who will be the winner ios5 icecream sandwhich or windows8 i know which one im choosing but some others seem confused?

Ok ill help microsoft backwards thinking

Linux forwards thinking but work to be done in way of compatibility etc in a microsoft world

Ios5 Yeah nah lets not talk about stolen ideas

Android forward thinking like linux but with more consumer support and user friendy

..........................

Now the future android is almost an os within itself google has released its web os and made vast improvements the desktop begins to disappear you have a virtual desktop that you can get to from anywhere on youre mobile tablet etc everything slowly begins to move toward cloud computing and the visions of steve eric and almost everyone apart from bill start to come true in the end desktops are only for specific applications that require a stand alne powerfull unit powered by the almighty intel 80core or the amd derivitive :)

Oh and another little prediction most servers use linux linux is giving more arm support than most at the moment if they do things right and ride this wave the rght way microsoft will have to play catchup as arm chips start being used in servers less fans electricity etc

no doubt intel and amd will always be around but like i said there place will be with desktops laptops will not exist and tablets wil replace them

.............................

And finally icys before next year we all hope
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
Now, after a wonderful off topic about OS wars, back to the beginning of the thread: tomorrow (11/10/2011) they'll show off ICS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Pete720:
What an a--hole.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] daz_2000:
Isnt that the event thats been cancelled?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xufuchang:
yes, no iPhone 5 = no nexus prime :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kermode:
If there was a reason you could explain the reason to him.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] thomas_pieps:
Pptp is working fine here. Stock 3.2.1
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Jacky444:
Cant wait ! Seems like an nice upgrade
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
Yet to see it working here, not on 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, and onward. And the same settings works on different releases of OS X, Ubuntu, XP and iOS. So it might be a case, but you have to admit it's easy to point the finger towards Android. Also while looking for a solution I found out (on a VPN service on their setting page) that Android had a non working MSCHAP encryption, so if the server needs that it won't work.

But anyway, still off topic-ish.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kermode:
Yeah except the layout is the smallest thing, you can do a layout in a day. Function takes time.

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They've been doing that for Apple for decades (apple being a minority an just about all things except currently tablets - and that will change in a few years)

Quite apart from Android is anything but a small user base.

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Its not so much "well" just use "Basic for Android" and you have a GUI and your code just has to load the relevant layout.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Friko:
I'm wondering whether ICS will really be made available for our TFs. It doesn't make much business sense for Asus to release this for TF1 as it will affect the sales of TF2, which will presumably come with ICS natively.

TF1 prices will go down quite a bit when they release TF2, so many will opt for TF1 and upgrade it with ICS instead of going with the more expensive TF2.

Thoughts?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Actually, it makes quite a bit of business sense for Asus to provide ICS for the TF1--if they don't, then they show existing and potential customers that they have no interest in adequately supporting their products. Unless there's some verifiable technical reason not to upgrade a device that's less than a year old to the next version of the OS, Asus would be absolutely crazy not to do so.

Of course, they've shown that they're ahead of everyone else (except Motorola with the Xoom, which makes sense, and they've barely been behind even then) in terms of keeping up with updates. So, I fully expect to have ICS about as soon as is humanly possible for Asus to provide it to us.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bjd223:
They don't have a choice. Google has new OE agreements. They have to release all OS updates released within 1 year of products launch.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] cavsoldier19d:
Makes you wonder if they are using the steve jobs death explanation as a scapegoat to delay the launch so they wont have to support as much legacy devices...food for thought :confused:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Orion66:
Excuse me but when exactly Ice Cream Sandwich might be released? Is it today?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] smackdownn:
nah its postponed.

"Google and Samsung have postponed their launch of the next-gen version of Android, Ice Cream Sandwich. The delay, according to the companies, is out of respect for Steve Jobs, the Apple cofounder who died last week."
[Eee Pad Transformer General] screen11:
I can't wait...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Excuse me, but you should sell your tf and get an ipad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Orion66:
Oh am sorry my litle cupcake but I have both. What now?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
Then you sell both and get a real computer. Jk, I'm not exactly sure how you offended him with your question of when ICS is released... I do want to know too, but HC is pretty good for what it is right now. The one feature I REALLY REALLY want for Android is that Onskreen multitasking thing!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
WTF? Well my cat died, so does that put it back on schedule?

Actually, I can not say how many, but it might not have been *my* cat that was sacrificed at the death of Jobs. Confession: I do not have a cat, but that does not matter. ;)

LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] redsnake80:
Ups. I need ICS!!! 16 days :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] brando56894:
I want ICS more for the custom ROMs than I do for its actual features, although having an app that essentially works the same on both a 10" table and a 3.7" phone is going to be great. I hate it when I'm using an app on my docked TF and the app only supports portrait mode, I'm not entirely sure if this is because it's a phone app of if it's just inherently written that way. Either way it sucks the big one!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Is there any press news on new release date? Rumourseven?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] androidmichael:
I think it will be awesome when ics comes out and the source is released. We have had prime doing some great things here without the full source for the rom itself. i cant imaging what will happen with full source.

only time will tell though!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
ICS isn't going to change that. That can be fixed right now, if the developer wanted to.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Dark lord me:
Agreed I got my TF on 3.0.1 and i was expecting to have to root to get future updates but Asus really has been really good on updates they were the first 3.1 and 3.1 tablet outside of the US if i'm not mistaken and assuming they keep updates for a reasonable amount of time (since tablets don't come on contracts where you replace them quickly) they will continue to be my preferred choice when it comes for my next tablet
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fldude99:
What a supremely moronic comment. A**hole is the only appropriate comment for you bud
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
FYI, ICS due to release on the 19th... unless someone else dies.

If you have to kill somebody, please wait after the 19th. Thanks.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] turbulent28:
Anyone pick on the rumors that Samsung lied about releasing its new prodcut (ICS included)?

Samsung said it was due to Jobs passing. Some blogger tweeted it was due to patent conflicts.

Makes me wonder if it isnt just some lame attempt sabotage, if you will, the ICS release.

Maybe there is something good coming from ICS..
[Eee Pad Transformer General] efaithfarm:
I just wonder how easy it will be for Asus to integrate ICS with the Transformer dock. It's so well integrated with HC, I wonder if it will be difficult to get the keyboard/trackpad to play nice with the new OS that is supposed to be a rather large paradigm shift. Hopefully not. But I would assume that Asus is working hard on it; like I said, they did a remarkable job with HC.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] *Daedalus:
As far as I know, ICS will have native support for external keyboards / mice, as well as dockable peripherals. See Google I/O 2011.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] :
It's the same OS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] leerobson99:
Yeah, the major jump is for phones not tablets so I don't think it will differ to much

Sent from my Nexus S
[Eee Pad Transformer General] fonix232:
And ofc the OS being opensource, so we can finally have tonz of modded firmwares ;) Oh and also, soon we will get CyanogenMod 8 if ICS source is released.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] leerobson99:
CyanogenMod 9 I believe ;)

Sent from my Nexus S
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
If we get cyanogen mod wont that render set cpu pimp my cpu and o/c deamon useless as cyanogens performance settings use the same governers and work just aswell if not better?

I wonder how it will effect our performance and themes and if they are still going to use the t-mobile theme engine or switch to something new would be cool to see spb shell 3d on cyanogen icys with cyanogen themes for status bar etc

How much faster do you think it would be? The system resizing for various screens will some of the apks that are overly massive on tablets come back down in size just a little or is that wishful thinking?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] losangeles100:
To make a long story brief, does anyone know of a hack that would fool a region protected app?

I downloaded the APK for the BBC I Player from mediafire and I opened it via Astro whilst connected to my UK proxy and also used a location spoofer app. When I tried to play content a message pops up saying it's only available in the UK. I then tried using my VPN account and got the same result.

Does anyone know of any way to make that app think i'm in the UK or is it impossible?

I did search XDA and as far as I can see is still an unresolved issue.
[Xperia Arc Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wendac:
How can I use it? I mean how to set the timer? still cannot figure it out...