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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] luigic81:
Mine ran great fresh out the box for sure, but thats also because it was fresh and had no apps installed etc lol.

Some roms seem to work better than others. Running Starbust 1.2 with zedo's 4.1 kernel and it's running absolutely great now, better than unrooted IMO.

Could be grass in greener on the other side syndrome, try unrooting and see if you still feel that it runs better stock. With ODIN it's pretty quick and easy to jump back from rooted to not and back again.

I will always be rooted because I love trying out new things and custom roms and overclocking/undervolting etc.. it's fun, like a hobby for sure. And sometimes that hobby especially with beta stuff isnt that stable lol!

Just having adfree and wifi tethering is more than enough reason for me to root. But when the really cool custom roms start coming out, it's gunna be on like donkey kong :)

I did run a rooted rom with the stock kernel, and I have to say I like zedo's better.

My 2 cents
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nabbed:
I'm running stock + root.

There's nothing even remotely interesting to me in the current incarnations of the 3-4 roms available - they are all stock+ mods+ bugs.

Thank you very much but I can install those mods myself.

It's your own fault your phone is running like crap - don't mod it if you don't know what you are doing.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] silversx80:
Source?

My stock-rooted E4GT is working just fine. No LoS, no random reboots, no freezing up, no locking up... no bloat, great battery life, no BS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] WhiteZero:
I had a ton of issues with LOS and some random reboots on Zedomax's root kernel. Flashed to the stock + CMR and havent had an issue since.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I'll be serious now.

Aside from me disagreeing that root is the cause of LOS issues (I got them stock too) this is all part of the fun of modifying your gadgets.

Fun? Yeah, I said fun. These are insanely complex devices and it is still very early in their development cycle. If you aren't game then style out of it for a while until things mature. Hacking around ain't for everybody... As long as I maintain basic functionality I/we will (eventually) figure out the rest. That's the fun part.

That said I haven't experienced any of what you describe, besides a few unexpected FCs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jok3sta:
Haha ur a clown.. I've probably been modding my phones before you had your first smartphone. I've been modding smartphones since the T-Mobile mda days and Ive had 8 or 9 since then all modded. I know the risks that come with modding. So don't assume because you jus make an ass out of... well you know the rest. Anyway.. I was just making a statement to maybe see if others are having the same issues, or if maybe its just my handset. I'm going to try going back to Stock rooted and see if the issues continue.. right now I'm on starburst 1.2 with zedo 4.1.

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jok3sta:
I agree with the fun part.. I mod anything I get my hands on. Not only my phones. Computers, cars you name it.. its in my nature.

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ravizzle:
I'm stock with root, and it runs smoother than when I was on oc kernel

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cdszoke:
I agree that LOS is not caused by rooted kernal. But, I did experience LOS alot more often than stock kernal. When I got the phone I stayed unrooted for a little over a week. I experienced 2 LOS during that time period. Once I finally rooted I was experiencing LOS @ least 3 times a day. LOS also drains the battery like crazy. One night I left the phone off the charger with 100% battery life. When I woke up, the phone was in LOS and only had 40% battery life. Well, today last night I finally switched to stock kernal. So far today no LOS.

I digress. Stock rom works perfect but I needed so mods that require root. The battery percent mod, wireless tether, and roam control. I think I'll wait for an AOSP rom before I try anything different roms.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] buggerritt:
I've tried all the currently available kernals for ths phone. I've rooted and unrooted. Right now, i'm on stock rooted. I'm still experiencing LOS, but it seems less frequent than when I was on custom kernals. It could be other criteria, though. I haven't tried any of the ROMs, only because I want a stock ROM to flash, if something goes wrong. I don't remember the epic taking this long to get the stock ROM available to us. My memory may be slipping, though.

Sent from my extra sensory space modulator while performing the slippery cricket
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nabbed:
Stop whining!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jok3sta:
Not really sure where you see whining. But I do see a clown who has nothing better to do that reply to my "whining". thanks for the post bump though. Now back on topic.. lets keep this sucka free please

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] wase4711:
this is why I will wait another week or 2 before rooting....this phone is awe sum as stock, but, like any newly released phone, it takes a few weeks before all the truly revolutionary stuff gets developed.

Most devs have a real job, a family, and a real life, so you can't really expect flashing "nirvana" only a week or so after a phone comes out.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] stangdriverdoug:
Same mentality here my man. It's either rooted... Overclocked.... Or supercharged. I like things over the top lol. Heck even my gas powered scooters and rc cars are souped up. Sorry.... Back on target.

Samsung Galaxy S II
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] arionfrost:
I'm stock since day 1, when the phone first released, and I get LOS once a day. It's killing me not to have root, but I am not modding unless there is a factory RUU available straight from Samsung. Personally, and to no discredit to the developers, I don't trust the stock rom pulled from another phone. This phone is just a bit too new for me to be permanently altering it without a 100% safe way back. The OG Epic was made almost unbrickable, so it's reasonable to assume that a year from now, we will be rolling like pigs in **** with cool stuff to flash.

But I get what you are saying, and honestly, the community did not explode like I thought it would. Seems to be more HTC fans these days then Samsung, and just judging from Samsung's post launch support, or lack thereof, I can understand why...

Furthermore, my 3G speeds were horrible day 1 and continue to suck balls. Most times at work I can't even browse the market because of timeouts. 4G seems to work good though, and that's the only reason I haven't just returned this phone yet.

Check this thread:

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76962?start=0&tstart=0

This is sprint's official forum, and they are just now admitting to the crappy radio implementation on this phone. Should have seen this coming a mile away, but honestly I was just too busy looking at this gorgeous 4.52" AMOLED+ screen to notice...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HotInEER:
This is the first phone I've had were I don't feel the need to root, and I wouldn't have rooted until it had been perfected more.

Swyped from my Samsung Galaxy SII EPIC 4g Touch on XDA Premium!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jok3sta:
my main reason for rooting was a few apps i had that needed root. as well as the battery percentage
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Alright here's the review I promised... :)

First off let me just say that so far I REALLY REALLY like this setup. I've been waiting since April (since I got my Tbolt) to find a case that would fit my everyday needs, and just when every manufacturer would release something I had my eye on, it would fall short in one area or another. My preferences when looking for a case was protection but not incredibly bulky, hard outer shell so that it may slide in your pocket easier, and a built in extended battery because we all know the battery on this phone is ridiculous. This case pretty much covered all my needs.

I'll just go ahead and start off with the pics and comments...

Sorry, it's been a pretty long while since I've touched my SLR and Editing software LOL... made me realize I need to re-teach myself all over again. Plus I was in a hurry as I had to leave town right after I shot these. Ignore all the dust particles... It's funny how that camera (16 Mega Pixels) picks up everything LOL!! I couldn't even see half this stuff with the naked eye till I opened up the pictures...

Trident box net to Tbolt

Holster, Electra Case, and Tbolt. Unsure why the "Kraken II" instructions were in there. My guess is the case is so new that they haven't made any instructions for the Electra yet and used this as a temporary measure. No big deal, to be honest I didn't even open it LOL.

Picture of the screen protector which is also protected by a plastic film that you peel off... that's the texture you see. Once you peel this off, it's as smooth as the glass on the phone which was another BIG advantage I liked. I really started to get tired of my ZAGG and the fingerprints. Not to mention it had a sort of "friction" when sliding my finger across when it should "glide" like a naked Tbolt!

Holster, Outer Hard Shell, Inner Silicon Shell, Tbolt, Front Face Hard Shell, and Extended Battery.

The rear outer hard shell. You can see the prongs/contacts made for the antenna. Nothing was looked over! :)

New Extended Battery (2600 mAh) vs. Original Battery (1400 mAh)

Extended Battery placed in Tbolt.

My poor kickstand has seen better days. The darn clear coat started peeling off one day so I've been slowly scratching it off with my fingernails. I should probably just pull out the old sand paper and be done with it lol...

Case Installed... literally about 20 seconds to do this. Just place your new battery in your phone, place the silicon skin in the rear hard polycarbonate, then place your Tbolt inside there. It literally falls into place. Take the front polycarbonate face and snap it in place and Vwaaalaaaa! All done! :)

No those aren't scratches on the screen protector, just some finger smudges my camera picked up (the flash did it). Again couldn't see these with the naked eye...

Kickstand works just fine...

The following are just various viewing angles with the screen on/off. Tried to get pictures of every side of the case so you could see all the jacks/ports and stuff...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Pictures with the Holster on the phone. Seems like a pretty nice Holster. Although I know ETX Droid had a few problems with his Kraken II version breaking a couple times. Not sure if they are any different or not. The case EASILY snaps into place, and seems to be locked in pretty good. The case rotates/ratchets as well so that's nice. The Holster itself is a bit hard to get off your belt though lol.

Just a close up of the dust cover over the speaker and the openings in the design for the display sensor and front camera.

Comparison shots of this case next to my wifes Aegis case... It's only slightly larger.

If you like this case here is additional info about it and can be purchased directly from Trident.... http://www.tridenteer.com/products/...t-Extended%2dlife-battery-Bundle-(Black).html

Also I found a 20% off code (

for the month of September ONLY

) including FREE Shipping! :D

Code: back2school20

My order came out to $55.99 Shipped...

Mine arrived the day after I ordered it, but I only live an hour away so...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] zer071:
2 questions. Hows the battery life with there battery? And do you know if its about the same size as the otter box? I have it now and the holster broke and this thing just looks perfect to replace it with.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
The battery seems to last about twice as long as the stock battery. However today is my first day starting with a full charge (I'm also doing a battery calibration to get the most of my battery). So I'll have a better answer for you in a day or so...

I haven't seen the Otterbox for the Tbolt in person, but I did look at the one for the HTC Evo and this case seems quite a bit smaller than that case did. The Otterbox just looked massive to me. Hence the reason I didn't go that route...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] zer071:
Well I went ahead and ordered one, used the code you provided saved some $ Thanks! I''ll let you now if its bigger or smaller then the otter incase other people are thinking of switching too. From the pics it looks like a tad more junk in the trunk but with the extended battery you cant go wrong.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
Take some 400 grit sand paper to the kick stand and get rid of all the clear coat run it down to 800 then 1000, 1500, and 2000. Then run over it with a dremmel with a polishing head and some mothers metal polish. It will leave you with a beautiful shiny kickstand. Yes the google bit will be gone but its worth it.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Well this morning I unplugged my phone on a full charge at 7am. It is now 9:50pm and my battery is at 47%. Previously on the stock battery I'd get maybe 6 hours of use if I was lucky. So, so far I'm impressed!

Also looks like I got this battery just in time. Looks like as of today my area finally got 4G!

EDIT: ok so from 9:50pm - 1:00am I used my phone HEAVILY and it finally burned of the rest of the 47% charge. NOT BAD AT ALL! :D

That's with the brightness all the way up and playing a game for 3 hours straight lol.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Yea that's what I was planning on doing eventually...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] xXJay_RXx:
This case sure does look sweet. But $70 for a case is a little much especially for a phone I might not keep for long with the Nexus Prime, HTC Vigor, iPhone 5, etc coming to Verizon soon. How many days did it take to ship to your house? And what state you live in so i can have a clue?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
order it before the end of the day today and you could get it for about 52 instead of the 70. use the coupon code for the 20% off and use the free shipping.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] edward_g:
What's the screen protector like? Does it adhere to the tbolt or just lay over it?

Thanks
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
I answered all this in my second post... But...

I ordered directly from Trident and got it for $55. 99 shipped using the coupon code I listed that expires today. That was including tax and free shipping.

I'm in Southern California about an hour away from Trident. It took 1 day to get to my door.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
The screen protector is awesome. WAY better than my Zagg I had on previously. Much smoother to the touch and there is no adhesive involved. It's part of the case, so it just lays over the screen but I have NO issues with sensitivity or function. They built it so it hugs the screen and feels like part of the phone.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] zer071:
Well mine came in today, CA to NJ in 2 days aint bad. Its just a little thinner then the otter which in very happy with, but unfortunately they sent me a broken one. The antenna on the back is broken and I was hoping to use this at Dover tomorrow for the race. I may just glue it I havn't decided yet.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Zomb!e:
Just wanted to say thanks for the review and photos. I've been looking into a Trident case for a while. My Seidio active is starting to wear out. This review was well done! Thanks again.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
I'd call them and see if they'll overnight you a new one...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
No problem, glad you liked it :)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] zer071:
Yea Im gonna call monday hope they just send me a new one without having to send this one back first though. It works but its still broken. Didn't charge it yet gonna charge it over night wipe battery stats and hope to get a full day of it tomorrow.

This case is worth it though for anyone thinking about buying one. Its about the same size as the otter box slides in and out of pockets easily and doubles your battery life and if you use the code in the OP its about the same price.

Thanks for the review man, very happy with my purchase even though I got a defective one easily replacable I expect no problem getting it replaced.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] edward_g:
Ok, I'm in. I placed my order last night before the sale ended. Maybe they're closed on the weekend because my order status is pending fulfillment. I still might get it by the end of next week though. I'm on the east coast.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Cool... Lemme know what you guys think once you receive your new cases :)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
Let me say the battery is a gift from the gods. Truly amazing how long it has lasted. I have been off the charger since 9 am yesterday and still have 45% battery
[Thunderbolt Accessories] dogswind:
I wish I had been keeping up with the accessories threads. I would have gotten this in a heartbeat for that price! Hopefully another deal will pop up before I wind up getting an extended. Thanks for the review and all these pictures.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] jweaks:
coupon code for October?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Maybe email Trident a link to this thread and see if they'll extend the offer for you... :-)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] edward_g:
I received my Trident Electra yesterday. It is better than I expected. The phone feels good. The appearance is pleasing. The battery is great. And the screen protector works and feels perfectly.

The phone feels secure in the holster and I like the release button rather than the slide in/out style that I was using.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
Very interested in this, was wondering how much bulk adding we are looking at...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] edward_g:
This setup has a pleasing shape to it. Other extended batteries have the big hump that obviously is an add on and doesn't fit the design of the phone. This is a more smooth look and inhances the overall appearance.

I don't like a tiny phone anyway so this little extra feels right to me.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Well pure physics... It's larger than a naked Tbolt. But not exceedingly massive. I think it's about as compact as it could possibly be without sacrificing protection, a pleasing design and offering everything possible in one package. I'd purchase it again if that helps any???
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
Is there anyway that UI could take a picture of the bolt side by side with the case?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
I'm out of town right now without access to a camera but will be able to later this week.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
That would be awesome:) looks like a sick case, does it make the finger prints not appear?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
I have no fingerprints on the case itself. The screen protector shows prints about as much as the glass does. Not near as much as my Zagg invisible shield showed. That thing was a piece of crap!
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
Just ordered mine, should be here within the week
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Awesome! Let us know how you like it! :)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
Of course:) hope its not bigger than that 4500 mah mugen battery and back we saw
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
My review:

Pros:

*every port and physical button on the device is easily pushable

*this case allows all aspects of the phone to be used

*this case does not hinder any on-screen gestures or interaction

*includes radio backing

*screen protector is amazing, can't tell its on and is better than zagg

*not too big

*the battery is of good mah size

*easy to put in pocket or utilize holster

*EVERYTHING was thought about for this case and shows

*I like the charm holder...I have an android dangling from it

*this price is way worth it and you can still utilize the back2school20 coupon

*silicon is nice and has good feel to it, locks well

*all sound is heard as loud as before if not louder

*kickstand works fine even with all the bulk

*this case will definitely do its job

Cons:

* the case is impossible (almost) to take off ie for switching extended batteries and cleaning

*the radio components on the hard backing become easily twisted and could possibly be broken in the future if not careful

*power button and volume buttons too easy to push at times

Absolutely amazing 9.75/10
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Lol agreed on taking the case off... Took me a good 15 minutes the first time!
[Thunderbolt Accessories] knights665:
i also just purchased this last nite off daydeal.com and got it for 49.99 with a coupon for 5 dollars off and all orders come with free shipping cant wait for it to come... and i emailed customer support on trident.com and there will be different color rubber skins available for this case in a week or so if you dont like the black you caan buy a diff color
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
So weird... They told me they weren't doing colored skins.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] knights665:
Ohh well send an email to customer support and see what they say because they told me they would be avaliable
[Thunderbolt Accessories] knights665:
Also I have a question for Yu does this battery perform as well as the extended HTC is selling?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ANDR0lD:
After calibration yes
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lukesdiesel:
Just ordered one from daydeal.com for $58 including priority shipping. We just got 4G and I'm lucky to get 6hrs running a custom ROM.

Luke
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ford12acing:
can i fit my seidio extended battery in this case?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
What size is it?
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ford12acing:
3400mah but i dont know if it is physically larger than the 2600
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Check out the 2nd to last post here...

http://www.thunderboltforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6172

:)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] ford12acing:
awesome! thanks bro! i really, really hate my rugged convert case from seidio. it's just flimsy rubber and it's a pita to get it in the holster
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
An update to my usage. I have had it a little more than a month and if you already have a screen protector on your phone I would recommend ripping the built in screen protector out and leaving your stick on screen protector. I kept getting lint and fuzz behind the screen protector and it made my phone look trashy. Much better now after ripping it out.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Really? Hmmm... Interesting, I felt just the opposite. I was no fan at all of my Zagg protector, and really like the built in one on this case. Different strokes for different folks I guess...
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
within the first 2 days of owning the case the screen protector had a huge scratch in the middle of it. The one I got from Verizon when I bought the phone was better. It was one of the static cling ones. I agree about the Zagg Protector though. It was terrible. I had one on my old G1 and it was indistructable but looked terrible.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lukesdiesel:
Just put mine on around 2 he's ago. I really like the feel and bulk it adds to my phone. Not sure if I like the screen protector or not. I did notice my phone would only charge to 99%.

Luke
[Thunderbolt Accessories] bigd5783:
Just wait till you get dust and lint between the screen protector and the real screen. It gets annoying really quick. I had to turn my phone off completely and charge over night then boot into recovery and clear battery stats for it to register correctly.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
My battery did that at first too. Just let it charge overnight and should hit 100%.
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
I seriously don't have that problem lol
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lukesdiesel:
I'll see what happens

Luke
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lukesdiesel:
After an overnight charge.... 100%

Luke
[Thunderbolt Accessories] Soul TKR:
Good to hear :)
[Thunderbolt Accessories] lukesdiesel:
I love it... screen is growing on me. My phone is usually dead already. 7.5hrs and 54% left.

Luke