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[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
OK guys, my last donation to the bionic community will be donating my bionic to hashc0de (hash-of-codes.blogspot.com) for lte development on his ICS build that's going on d3 and bionic. Loved you guys, but couldn't stand the phone. Sorry y'all and I think hashcode can make you guys proud ;) ciao. Pm me if you need anything.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ddggttff3:
.... well i emailed them about locked bootloaders on moto devices, yet how htc and the galaxy are unlockable and I got this mail from them...

got some calls to make tomorrow.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ROB281:
I can't read it, it's all blurred
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ddggttff3:
have a link then.

Link
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
They sent me the exact same response almost verbatim. I think they just scan all emails for bootloader reference and just send a pre-made letter.

Found a couple other cases of them sending pretty much the same letter:

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/14152-a-letter-to-verizon-with-answer/page__p__350531#entry350531

https://forums.motorola.com/posts/9db2646067

http://www.groubal.com/verizon-wireless-allow-unlocking-of-htc-boot-loaders-on-your-network/
[Motorola Droid Bionic] jtbnet:
Change.org Petition to Unlock Bootloader

For what it's worth I came across a petition on change.org today... already had over a hundred signatures... to add your's;

http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Done with Moto phones. Wide had the OLDDDD Razor, OG Droid, I had an Eris and could get it to do some interesting things (unlocked and HTC), I had a Droid X and now my wife and I each have a Bionic. On .901, it works VERY WELL. However, when I see the options available on unlocked bootloaders it makes me angry. I checked cheesecake with the apkv2 I think it is and see a LOT of different programs there.

Simpsons, Dev, QA, etc; MANY were seen on there. No conventional numbering as I know. So I am not sure how to help. Been trying to trade for a Rezound (heard those were unlocked) or a GNex.

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I was in on the Droid X ideas. Cheesecake was not mentioned then BUT petitions and other ideas were and were used also. They proved to be ineffective. I decided that although I like the hardware, I am DONE with Moto locked devices. 2nd int gave OPTIONS but at the expense of battery and it was annoying (to me). Moto is hiding something with that and I believe that since a LOT of their devices are Moto that they are hiding this behind the locked bootloader. HTC and even Samsung phones get unlocked but are NOT the majority of Verizon phones (or so others have argued). In a sense it helps those brands with enticing modders while keeping what MOST WILL BUY ANYWAY locked and probably tainted. I use LBE security service and it is amazing what some apps ask for (**** they don't need). I know anything can be tracked anywhere else (server side) but damn, the locked bootloaders turned me off to Moto.

--If unlocked before I can work a trade, GREAT but after the Droid X and waiting there, I know NOTHING will change without divine intervention or sheer dumb luck.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] [TSON]:
Well if you guys are still up for the battle... There's a thread over in the RAZR forums to check out. The petitioning and emailing got us the response in the first place, this should at least get us a status update.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=20857564#post20857564
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Done with Moto, period. If locked, i am passing from now on. They do not give a crap about us, freedom, fair use, etc. Fine, f off moto and if any other network gets lte going well Verizon can f off also.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
Guys go spam motos twitter page.Buncg of people are hitting them hard!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
just got a call from gloria of the fcc saying that they are serving verizon wireless with violations of the locked bootloader on moto devices!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bhp117:
Sweet hope that's what fcc really doing

So hopefully moto going to release unlock bootloaders soon
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
hope so, but nothings guaranteed
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Ultrastigi:
Verizon will just say that if they unlock it they will lose money because people get free apps and free data use. Or something along those lines.

They will talk their way out of it toss them some money and be done with the whole thing.

I hope something is done but I don't think Verizon is to blame. I think its mostly moto.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
the android market is free, and how can we get free data? :-/
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
Which do you think is going to cost more money?

(1) Going through months of litigation with the FCC over a violation of some rules that were very clearly written.

(2) Allowing (a very vocal) 1-3% of their userbase to use their phones as they see fit.

It's a no-brainer. Telecoms pretty much do whatever they want to consumers until the FCC comes knocking, and then they act like little kids who get caught in the act. I'm fairly certain that if the FCC comes knocking on Verizon that they will fold quickly.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] djr4x4:
Not getting my hopes up.. By the time they go thru all the processes. I'm pretty certain all of us will all have different phones by then...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
yeah, non-moto types without the broken promises
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rickatnight11:
It will come down to a business decision. What does Verizon stand to lose? I can only think of two things:

Control over WiFi/USB tethering, giving them the ability to charge for it.

Revenue from bloatware.

Verizon will compare how much money they stand to lose from these two factors with what they project to pay from FCC investigation/litigation.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] effinay:
I was at CES last week and spoke with PR at the Motorola booth. She mentioned nothing about Verizon pushing back about the bootloader unlock. What she told me is that the FCC is holding up the process.

I then asked her why HTC was able to unlock most (if not all) of their phones. She told me that because HTC is a foreign-based company, they don't have as many hoops to go througt to make changes like that.

The PR lady said that Motorola is in active talks with the FCC to "Find a solution that works for everyone."

She also could have been blowing smoke up my a$$. Take from this what you want.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rickatnight11:
That doesn't jive. There are no legal restrictions requiring a US-based manufacturer to lock their phone's bootloaders. We're trying to get the FCC to step in force them not to. Either this is misdirection or she doesn't know what she's talking about. I'm leaning towards the latter.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] witmah6494:
Both of those things can be done via rooting...i have my Bionic debloated, and i had it hacked to allow free wifi tethering, so try again.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rickatnight11:
That's certainly true. However, there's a certain gap between the release of the phone and root acquisition. There's also the fear of bricking, which can ruin your phone without access to the bootloader.

What do you believe Verizon's/Motorola's motives are?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] witmah6494:
even without access to the bootloader, if you have fxz files and rsd lite you can unbrick it. the bootloader mostly regulates the kernel, and what ROM is running. The way i see it, Moto locks bootloaders so that if a new software version is released, the only way to obtain it is to buy a new device. if the bootloaders unlocked people can just load it themselves, causing less revenue. its a stupid greedy practice. Moto claims its so they dont have to unbrick devices left and right, well people are more likely to brick it if they do something stupid when the bootloader is locked. keep it unlocked, post instructions on how to reflash using RSD lite, its simple, less moto work, happy consumers.

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As for VZW, i think it's because they want to lock down and regulate what the phone is and isnt capable of, just like they used to on all feature phones. if you remember almost every phone had the same OS. If they lock it down, it means that people dont have any other choice but to just accept whats given to them. Verizon is the Apple of carriers, Here you go, but its on our terms, as always, youll take it, and youll like it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
^^^ yes but the masses will still buy whatever is new on the market, regardless.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Core Memory:
If Google buys Motorola will that result in unlocked bootloaders for Motorola products?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] tylercarter:
I hope so
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rickatnight11:
Good points; this would definitely explain Motorola's motivation.

[/COLOR]As for VZW, i think it's because they want to lock down and regulate what the phone is and isnt capable of, just like they used to on all feature phones. if you remember almost every phone had the same OS. If they lock it down, it means that people dont have any other choice but to just accept whats given to them. Verizon is the Apple of carriers, Here you go, but its on our terms, as always, youll take it, and youll like it.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Verizon benefits from this, since there are alternatives (even on their own network), whereas Apple uses the power of its brand to downplay its devices' limitations. I do think my original points apply here for Verizon.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] davwman:
"#opmosh #unlockbootloaders 1-847-523-5000 press 1 and say sanjay jha tell his assistant what you want and keep calling them"

That's the CEO of Motorola. Call and complain!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] smokedkill:
If Motorola doesn't want to unbrick a bunch of phones, make an official recovery for us to use to reinstall stock, similar to how a PC user can reinstall windows if they screw up their system. Just imagine the headaches that would be involved if everyone had to return their computers when they messed them up.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] smokedkill:
If this was true, Verizon would disable the option to install non market apps like AT&T used to do on their androids. Only reason AT&T got rid of that was because their users weren't going to be able to install the Amazon App Store.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Versatile1:
It is not Verizon at all.... Please quit referring to them lol there are several phones on the Verizon network that are unlocked. It is ALL Motorola. Again it is all Motorola. Again I say it is ALL Motorola.

Sent from my Eclipsed Bionic v2.1 RC 1

Help free our Motorola devices! #OPMOSH #BOOTLOADERS
[Motorola Droid Bionic] nukeboyt:
I believe you have hit the nail on the head directly. Locked bootloaders ends up INCREASING overall sales, because people want the newest shiny OS, without having to learn geek. So from MOT's point of view, it's not stupid. Unless the practice actually hurts sales (or they believe that unlocking will help sell more) then they won't change.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] dpw2atox:
So I just saw on Rootzwiki that someone was able to find the 902 update via cheesecake though they are unable to install it.

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/16519-proof-59902-exists-invalid-update-file/

"Turn on Wi-Fi, start-up Cheesecake app, and lo and behold, I found one. 5.9.902 showed up on the master-sdc200.blurdev.com, testcloud01-sdc1.blurdev.com, and master-demo.blurdev.com servers."

I just figured i'd post this here so others can see if they are able to get it to install.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] waffleb051:
Yes people dont like to learn Geek, but look at the galaxy nexus it has an unlocked bootloader and people have been buying them up like biscuits at McDonald's (sorry just came from work and that is the only analogy i could think of...) why should we have to deal with a locked bootloader when other phones have an un-locked bootloader?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] witmah6494:
True, but you can't sit here and tell me that everyone's buying the nexus because it has an unlocked bootloader? People are buying because simply, it's a Nexus. And from verizon's standpoint its another feature it can advertise, im surprised they haven't yet, that or try to lock it...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ztotherad:
they can't lock down the nexus, it's a google experience phone and google would have something to say about it if it was to be locked. Honestly I don't think verizon wants to mess with Google.

Google buying out Motorola may be the best news I've heard though, especially since they're bringing in their own CEO and booting Sanjay.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] GTvert90:
Anyone still going this? Razr ics leaked this way...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] dpw2atox:
Last I saw you could still find leaks via cheesecake, however Motorola took steps to prevent us from being able to install them so I think a lot of people have just quit trying.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Not true. On rootwiki in bionic forum. 904 was pulled. I've looked but found nothing. Downloaded but nothing more for me. I think a poster installed it also.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
More than a few have installed it. With the 904 you can revert via FXZ to 902, and it also works for folks running ics roms.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rickatnight11:
Any idea what the changes are?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] brainwash1:
+2
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
http://www.droidhive.com/forums/index.php?/topic/643-59904-update-for-droid-bionic-leaked/
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
The people in the Rootzwiki thread posted screenshots of the About section. Basically it comes down to tiny updates to the CDMA radio & kernel. Webtop and the LTE radio stayed the same. I personally don't see a need to have urgency towards 904.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] waffleb051:
anyone looked into seeing if this will work on the Bionic?

http://www.eternityproject.eu/topic/49-bootloader-bypass-kexec-for-motorola-razr/#entry342
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
Don't try it on the Bionic unless the devs come out with a Bionic specific version. There are enough differences between the hardware (especially the kernels) that that you could brick the hell out of your Bionic by trying it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
If there was a droid 3 version the daring could look at that. Honestly if I'd booted my bionic in the last 4 months I'd try changing it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] draexo:
So is Bionic Cheesecaking alive? What is the deal? Should I bother?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Steve125:
The 904 update was leaked via cheesecake a couple weeks ago on rootzwiki
[Motorola Droid Bionic] urphonesux:
.905 was just leaked

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/mo...e-pulled-cheesecake-server-your-pleasure.html
[Motorola Droid Bionic] saintsdx:
Doesn't appear to be much of a change.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
Yeah, only radio, I think.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] draexo:
Link Broke

Link in the first (original) post is broke.

Anyone have an active link?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Let me know if you get it. I don't even use my bionic anymore. If you don't I'll install drop box and give it to you
[Motorola Droid Bionic] draexo:
I got it somewhere else. But I have no idea what I am doing with it. Other than it seems to work.

There are so many servers. Why can there not be a simple script (simple for me the unlearned) that just checks each once?

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This may seem quite silly, but I can host it as well!

Here is the link to the file I downloaded and then hosted.

http://*******/8sCyl

Ok, ad.fly not supported. Here is a direct link.

http://droidrepo.info/the-repository/viewdownload/11-droid-tools-for-multiple-moto-devices/64-cheesecake-apk-v2
[Motorola Droid Bionic] draexo:
I can not check many of the servers as they want a "Motorola Service Acct"???
[Motorola Droid Bionic] twinkyz1979:
can someone please use a normal link?

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never mind i got one
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
Any possibility that this Cheesecake app could be updated to run on the ICS leaks? Or is there something inherent in the ICS builds that would prevent this no matter what?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
Cheesecake relies on the fact that you're on a system build that is eligible for an OTA. ICS Leak versions are essentially "invisible" to the OTA servers because of that. The OTA .ZIP files are built to only update if a certain system version is present, so Cheesecake doesn't work.

From what I understand, Cheesecake merely does simple spoof and server alteration to make your phone look like it should receive a leaked .zip file. Because new ZIP files won't flash over the leaks anyway, it ends up being pointless.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
Ahhh. So, once the ICS OTA is out, it should (theoretically) work again, right?

I was mistakenly thinking that the OS itself was blocking. Silly me didn't even think about installed OS version versus leaks....
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
Precisely. Once the ICS update is recognized as official, we can then use Cheesecake/Motowatcher again to hunt for updates past that.

Basically Cheesecake is designed only for stock rooted phones running the latest OTA.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cellzealot:
What are you talking about? P3Droid isn't taking any credit for leaking any cheesecaked update files?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
As to your explanation of how cheesecake works, well, sorry, but i don't think you're correct at all on this.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
John, i like the shout box on the hive. You and samurihl get going:). Has a hardware approach been considered? Not sure if you follow xbox 360 or other system hacking. Jtag. Bypasses boot loader. Second, if samuri has friends and can get fxz files, surely somebody has unlocked/unlockable bootloader. Or at least can give enough hints for others to "Find" it;). Where there is a will, and connections, there are ways. Human element is always the weakness. Curious if anything attacking hardware has been tried. Even monitoring system he process via pcb hacks.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
We don't have key, but can we effect where it is stored? It it is efuse based, can we get rid of all fuses or keep them from blowing? If anyone has some technical pin out diagrams, we may be able to beat this type of boot lock. Has to be stored somewhere and maybe we can null it, change it, or some other approach . Thinking from wii, 360, ps3, etc. Psp had pin in battery, if cut, it would boot to sd card. I want to see a hardware perspective. Even dvd drives have unlock methods. If we truly see flow diagram of boot process and checks on pcb visualized we may be able to hardware hijack or mod in some way. Nothing is perfect. Humans made this and if we see hardware or get an insider to give key or how to beat it, we can send a big middle finger to verizon and moto lie ola.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] brandogg:
I...don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
That is your contribution!? It is not unlocked yet so maybe you have unlock? You are able to say what will and will not work?

Please share something constructive. Anything, any ideas?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
He said what he said b/c your post seems to indicate the we're talking about hardware fuses, and we're not.

If we could unlock the boot loader, it would have already been done. Because we cannot, we can only do certain things in this phone, and until we CAN unlock the boot loader, this is how things are going to be.

I hope that this made sense.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
John, thanks for the reply. Has anyone you know tried to explore hardware attack? I extensively hack gaming systems and was thinking chip or source for encrypted key could be attacked. I have not seen mention of this approach.

People laughed about xbox 360; glitch process for processor, jtag and modifying another file worked, unlocking all types of PCB in dvd drives. Ps3 was "unhackable without key" also. I've seen tear downs on ifixit but without keys it is running into a door. Hinges? Door frame? Somebody leaking info? I follow shoutbox on hive and learn a lot. I respect your opinion but ask; anyone in the inner circle have unlock methods or pursued hardware or hardware/software approach? Anything can be attacked. Seen it, and it begins with ideas. Potentially my idea could bypass any bootlock, until they adapt;).
[Motorola Droid Bionic] brandogg:
I'm not trying to insult you or anything - but installing the RGH mod or JTAG hack on an XBox 360 does not mean that you actually hack consoles, you are just applying someone else's hack. I've JTAG'ed at least 50 360s myself (and modded hundreds of drives), but I'm not a hacker and I wouldn't say that I hacked anything - I modded. I'm guessing English is not your first language, so maybe you are trying to say something and it's coming off like something else - but the JTAG hack for the Xbox 360 is based off of a shader exploit from the King Kong video game, and the PS3 software (formerly dongle) hack is basically based off of SONY's stupidity. They don't help this situation. Motorola has locked the bootloader on their VZW phones since the DROID X, surely if it was as "easy" as the JTAG hack, someone would have figured it out by now - after all, the Android developer community is exponentially larger than the Xbox 360 and PS3 homebrew community.

Sorry for the non-development post.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
Not that I know of, and I don't see many people willing to take apart their phones for a hardware exploit.

Plus, as Benn said, the locked bootlaoders are not new - they have been around for a long time. If they were easy to crack, by now someone would have done so.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Sometimes being an IDEA MAN is just as good as having the ability to code and take something apart (reverse engineer). People are beating their heads against the jail cell hoping to find a weak spot:) With right interface, and proper tools, this can be changed or modified. The key has to be sent through somewhere, and at some point is decrypted. Without bus/pathway security, it is vulnerable somewhere. The easiest way is to get the damn key from an insider. Brute forcing is like the lottery but somebody could easily "Find it" that way publicly while all along an insider gave the key. Everyone wants freedom, and there are some who want jobs, to keep jobs, but also want to HELP GET FREEDOM. Especially if more than one person has access to such keys. It seems to me like some insiders using the community to test, hence the cheesecake servers "Leak" updates. That would be easy to close from Motorola's side. People are not after answers, they are using the community to have fun, test things, explore things, but that is it. If people WANTED this garbage stopped (locking) then it would be done. It happens every single day. As I monitor it all, I decided to avoid locked garbage. I get a LOT of use out of the phone, cannot knock the hardware, but the right people with the right knowledge can and maybe even HAVE unlocked it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
No, you misunderstood - people have tried - and quite a few phones have gotten bricked over the last 2+ years. The only way to unlock this is going to be with a Motorola supplied key.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Thanks John. Frustrated with Motorola lies, not devs who do all they can do.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] johnlgalt:
Be frustrated with VZW. They are the ones mandating it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rlewis312010:
Moto locks phones on all carriers?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] elreydotcom:
The Samsung galaxy s3 has a locked bootloader only on vzw to my knowledge. Carriers typically mandate that.

0001001- 0000011- 0010011

I. C. S.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] brandogg:
Yes.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] mike t:
Moto did tweet that they were working on a tool to unlock all Moto devices, but its not the first time they have said this. But who knows they might.