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[Motorola Droid Bionic] rgb2448:
Can it still be rooted the manual way, I see no reason to update to this because it doesn't update any system files only has a way to block forever root. probably just testing for when the ota is released.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] papi92:
No manual root has been patched awhile ago.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
Ditto. MOT wants to play the Apple role on a platform that was conceived for open access. I'll sell this and the ~$120 in accessories I bought, and swear off MOT just as I did with the iPhone. Lots of other alternatives out there.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] quentin0:
It's really Verizon, not Motorola...they are pressuring Motorola to go "the Apple route." It's not like locking the bootloader and preventing root access does anything for Motorola. However, HTC and Samsung aren't lapdogs like Motorola, so maybe it will send a message to Motorola to grow a pair and unlock their phones.

I still think wireless carriers in USA have too much power
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
Hum.. So is Verizon trolling these threads and forwarding them to Moto and telling them, hey look! They got root, you need to stop it, now!.. and for what.. wireless tethering? There are apps to accomplish the same sort of thing without root/unlocked boot loader..

You're right though wireless carries do have too much power.. And with fewer and fewer of them around, it gets worse..
[Motorola Droid Bionic] luke1333:
Yeah I'm sure somebody from Verizon checks this as regularly as we do and reports to them. And I agree they have too much control right now!!! We should be able to do what we want with it yet again its our phone WE bought!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] mistawolfe:
This makes me ticked off. Obviously they read twitter, MDW, and here. We need to keep it on the DL as the previous posters stated. I recommend keeping everything in an IRC and closing these down.

I can get a thread closed ASAP. You guys want me to tell my mod friend? He loves me. Lol. Let me know. I'll request all cheesecake (+forever root) threads locked/closed/deleted. Just tell me what.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
This thread is OK. If anything the roots should be kept dl. Forever root is out of the bag. The cheesecake stuff is public info anyway or else they'd control it better. This is the normal device battle. Get used to it for the most part.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] mistawolfe:
Gotcha. We are fools if we think moto people don't read these forums. On the moto forums themselves, members often name drop XDA and other sites.

I'm staying where I'm at. 5.7.893 cleaned up with working webtop. Stock and tweaked.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
The whole root battle and bootloader battle is a dog chasing its tail thing. Its always the manufacturer trying to stop it and devs trying to winit.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
So are they going to win it with the bionic, in terms of bootloader ?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Most likely with the bootloader is my guess. We'll always regain root though. I mean the droid x / droid 2 still haven't gotten unlocked bootloaders.

Note: this is solely my opinion.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] mistawolfe:
Whatever my opinions worth, I'm with Phydo on this one.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] RoboJoe:
Who's on google plus? We can just move to g+ and make a circle for bionic rooting, right?

Swyped from my Droid Bionic, unless I was in landscape, in which case I Swiftkeyed the hell out of it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Calla969:
I like the G+ idea, but there would have to be a way to verify members to make sure the "wrong people" don't get access to it. I've always wondered how you can avoid the "wrong people" from monitoring an IRC chat. Can't anyone jump in?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
IMO, it's not worth the effort.

My experience with stuff like this goes all the way back to modding the original Mac and Mac Plus. Unless you have a forum that requires verified, real-name registration, you're always going to have an open door to company types. Even then, they hire a temp worker with no obvious affiliation, have them gain access and it's all over. IRC or other chats are no different.

Best not to get in a knot about things you can't control. The far better option is to start giving your business to a company that doesn't treat its customers like criminals. This is my first and last MOT phone. Money speaks louder than words. :cool:
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Agreed that was my point. Also gonna be my last Motorola phone
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
3rd(ed). And Ill be telling my friends, and my family, and there friends. Word of mouth power.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] papi92:
That's why ill be selling the bionic for the GALAXY NEXUS
[Motorola Droid Bionic] guod2002:
1000th(ed) If Moto is/does research what's going on here, one could only hope they would weigh the obvious consequences of appeasing VZW, whether those consequences are enough to have an effect on anything in the future is impossible to predict, my 1st and last Moto phone.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
People can complain about slow updates from Samsung or HTC, but if the guts of the phone are accessible to the community, that problem is mitigated somewhat as we support ourselves. Motorola, OTOH, both locks down its handsets AND takes its sweet time in releasing fixes for bugs it knew to be present at launch.

Way to go, MOTO! :mad:
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Yeah just remember nobody has gotten any of the fixes we have yet
[Motorola Droid Bionic] mistawolfe:
You guys realize we are a mere percentage of their userbase? They've heard us cry and they don't care. They will still sell tons of phones and make oodles of money. We are insignificant unfortunately.

The part that ticks me off the most is that no one makes a more quality phone than Moto in my opinion. I'll be with this Bionic for awhile, but I'll be shopping Sammy next time. Not a huge HTC fan.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
Well, sure. But that doesn't mean we have to be enablers, right? ;)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] skwoodwiva:
mistawolfe

+++

I dialed on a lot of Verizon phones before I chose the Dx2. I did not even bother with other carriers as I have "been there,done that" much. It IS the phone calling experience in which Moto is above (on vzw) all others.

Btw I do not know how you D3 and Bionic users put up w/ that Bluetooth beep! Moto blew it there.

Why is the X, X2, PRO quiet and the D2, D2G, D3 and Bionic: "BOOM in the ear YOUR PHONE CALL IS FINISHED"?

Edit: I guess Moto does not want to ever let international executive types talking to themselves?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
Of course.. But this one percent has the power of word of mouth.. Reviews and the like. The average person.may not do what we do, but, they will pass over a phone with bad reviews, and think twice next time they buy a phone after remembering that so and so was not pleased with their moto phones. Especially when making calls and using data is the main gripe. Buisness people, hell people in general want a phone th at works!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
That gives me an idea. We can't get Verizon to even talk about the bootloader. We should all go to the Verizon website and leave a negative review for the phone. Maybe it would get their attention. Maybe it will show them how bad we want this.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] projektorboy:
You just motivated me to submit a review for the phone where under "Cons" I listed "locked boot loader". Then I went on to mention in the comments how it stunk that Verizon made Motorola waste R&D money on engineering a locked bootloader
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
I'll do it if you can get me a link. ;)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
Here you go: http://www.verizonwireless.com:80/b...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5716
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rgoyena:
I'm down!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] formerflyboy:
It seems to me that Motorola blocking root, etc. is tantamount to Microsoft and Apple giving us only standard user access and not Administrative access. Our having root access doesn't effect Verizons ability to manage their network any more than Windows effects Internet providers ability to manage their networks.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
Done. How long does it usually take to get posted?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] silvinoa:
Unable to get passed 5.5.893

I was able to load 5.5.893 via a CWR zip, but when I run the cheesecake app, I'm not able to get to 5.7.893 (the alleged best level). Can anyone help?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] twinkyz1979:
you will have to revert back to 5.5.886 but you can try this.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1327537

revert back using this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1279825
[Motorola Droid Bionic] moosc:
Actually moto is one the fastest to get updates and fixes out.There skin isn't bloated like sense or touchwiz. There's really nothing catastrophic on bionic to warrent a rapid ota.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Underwater Mike:
I sure think the data drop issue deserves something quicker than 90 days, don't you?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
Ah.. Yeah, seeing how with out data the phone is pretty much useless. That's ok, I don't mind paying 6$99 for something that doesn't work.. Its like welfare. Please have some more of my money.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
A possible fix was posted somewhere, Rootzwiki I think, that seems to take care of the data drop issue.

1. Power Phone off

2. Remove SIM card.

3. Power Phone on without SIM, let it boot all the way.

4. Power Phone off

5. Replace SIM

6. Power Phone on with SIM

I did this about a week or 2 ago and havent had a single data drop since. I was getting them at least once a day before.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ROB281:
removing that sim card was a pain in the a** on mine, didn't want to come out
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Let me know how it works
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
Mine too. It's easier if you take the sd card out in case you didnt.

I did it 2 weeks ago and I haven't lost data since.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rgoyena:
So is this going to remain as a locked bootloader?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Hm. Thanks.

Also, yes, general consensus is it will remain locked, but random things can and do happen.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] rgoyena:
I love the phone and I'm hoping something magical might happen!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
Let's just hack the damn bootloader... I know it can be done and I know some of the people on here are smart enough to do it. Better yet why not just design a new boot image. We have other images to look at and its not impossible... someone made the one that's on it now. What do we know about a bootloader? What exactly does it do, how does it do it, and what makes a bootloader unique to wash phone? What programming language is it wrote in if it is a program which I would assume it is? Are we talking assembly language?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] papi92:
Problem is the Bootloader is tied into the internal memory board and other things. We need motorolas keys/password to change the bootloader. It's near impossible. Would take years to crack. By years I mean 25+ years with all the computer power in the worls
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
What are the keys tied too? Is this a moto thing or the chip makers key? What does the bootloader do? Why can't we start at the lowest level of this device and work our way up... what package do we have to work with... the actual hardware. What does it take to speak to the hardware at the lowest level?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
I'd imagine you could do it in c. Grab source code for lilo or grub. There is some asm and addressing to do. I. Think the bionic issue is the efuse.

Are the nexus bootloaders open source?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
Where is the efuse embedded? In the bootloader itself?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
I'd love to see a bootloader developed for this phone and others... maybe a general bootloader that has to be customized for each phone. A base would be a great starting point for everyone. We need to pull all of the knowledge together and find some talented people to take this on... I would be willing to help as well but my programming skills are limited compared to many on here... ill do what I can though.

Step one... gather knowledge

Step two... brick a bunch of phones

Step three... make many people smile

Seriously though step one is to bring everyones knowledge together...

If anyone is interested in doing this post your voice and maybe we can start a new thread.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Well I believe efuse is hardware. We really need some documentation on this stuff. I'd be willing to play if I knew the right stuff. I'm buying a new phone in two weeks anyway. ;)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] jess086:
none of this is the true problem, you must first understand that while we are able to mod a great deal on these phones and do some amazing things that bring about their best potential we are far from really being able to build one from the ground up. its not that it cant be done, its that we are not provided with the tools and information. android is supose to be open softwear, but the sdk's are a very long way away from being complete. they are not even close to giving us enough to build our own phone. if it was everyone would of formated their phones completely long ago and installed complete pkgs, not just roms.

---------- Post added at 09:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:49 AM ----------

a call to google to open the doors wide open is what is needed, the phone manufactures are spoon feed from google like we are, they just get more then we do
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
That's a very good point... but I don't believe google is going to be willing to do so until we have made something that starts knocking on there door... if we could start trying to develop a custom image the way we want it they may take notice. From what I have gathered the bootloader is the main section that we are lacking in. If we could start with it and make something usable to load what ever we wanted... google and phone makers would either lock it down more or open the doors totally.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Well in theory android is an open os, but the bootloader is really independent of the os.

That's why I was wondering if the nexus bootloaders were open source or not.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bnred777:
Yea im very interested to find out myself just no time to look as of yet... any ideas of where to start?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] jess086:
Android is supposed to be open and it only kind of is, we can make boot loaders, that's not hard. Breaking into one that is encrypted is the problem. We truly don't have enough to make a whole os from scratch though. If we did we would.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ddggttff3:
Problem is we shouldn't HAVE to make a bootloader or unlock one... android is SUPPOSE to be open out of the gates... and I think phone devs forgot about that.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Its just business man. The os is open. The bootloader never had to be. Motorola won't publish their os source because they somewhat ride their brand on blur.

We just want custom kernels. It would be nice if they'd allow that, and I agree I see no reason not to, but internally the benefits of locking this must outweigh the loss of sales or else they wouldn't have kept it up after the dx / d2. The only way we can make a further issue is if we boycott their phones. My gf gave up after her d2 on her own will, not my suggestion. Too many bugs, I fixed what I could, but she moved to a Samsung stratosphere. I'm going to buy a galaxy nexus with cash, and mess with this as a toy. Motorola is done as far as I care.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] HaYNigloo:
If we're dealing with efuses, let's look at similar devices that have been hacked... The M$ x box 36O has efuses that have been hacked by team InFeCtuS with their "time attack" method. Maybe we could get some insight from them in dealing with efuse encryption/decryption...

From my BIONIC COMMANDO using XDA app
[Motorola Droid Bionic] quentin0:
AFAIK all mods for the 360 to bypass their efuse hardware have been hardware mods. Nobody wants to do a hardware mod on a smartphone that costs twice as much as an xbox with 20x less space to deal with.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] HaYNigloo:
I understand that, I was simply suggesting getting input/suggestions/scenarios...etc, for the past several pages we've just been bickering about this b/l issue. I feel whining isn't going to unlock it, instead focus that energy into cheesecake or ideas about other areas we've not checked out. 'cuz, any input towards development for our really helps.

From my BIONIC COMMANDO using XDA app
[Motorola Droid Bionic] 0mie:
Get to it? :P
[Motorola Droid Bionic] runandhide05:
Can WE please get someone to upload the update? this way we can get it out to more dev? Please?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] nitro66215:
I found this one. Includes screenshot with description. I think it's the same one found earlier.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3D7CP0B9
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cellzealot:
That file is older than the other one and updates from the DBN-52 version before release to the DBN-55 stock release version.

It does not contain and bootloader or any other valuable pieces, unfortunately.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Just want to say, thank you all. I was trying to search servers myself, but I don't have time except every couple days. Since I wrote this weve found 2 updates in 2 days so far. The first one is interesting (new radio, bugfixes) but the servers change often so wewe
[Motorola Droid Bionic] nitro66215:
Ok... and now... I can't remember.... how do you disable the "Install Now" notification? I already removed the update from the cache folder. Just need the stupid reminder to go away.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
No idea
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DroidTh3ory:
Good looking out on this!!! Thank You sir.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Hey droid I know you dev a lot. If you want the first update it has some bugfixes patches and stuff, I can post it
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DroidTh3ory:
Please do!!! I will make a flashable root safe pack. :)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cellzealot:
The problem is that you have to flash the update in order to be able to use any of the new fixes.The files in the update are patch files for the existing system and boot.img.

Once you do, there is no way to regain root. I suggest waiting until we can find the full XML.zip installation
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
You can add root and then flash it
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DroidTh3ory:
I can't see why it wouldn't be possible to just incorporate the system and framework fixes. Disregarding the boot.img and firmware.

There are some key fixes, that would be nice to have.

Hit me with it... I have a extra Bionic I will Guinea pig with. If it works great, if not..... No harm done.

:)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
http://db.tt/dagItvqs

P3 droid rooted and installed. In /patch/system/app there's patches to fix some stock apps. New radio. Only downside is you can't fxz
[Motorola Droid Bionic] jimmydafish:
hit me on tbhmoto@gmail.com

I'll send you the file that should get you to retain root.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] the_kwa:
love watching this play out!

I hope to be helping soon...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] filthy1:
wooo whoo

looking forward to a workable update with root....stupid wedding is keeping me from messing with my bionic and trying to do some sort of helping today...:mad:
[Motorola Droid Bionic] RoboJoe:
Hopefully not *your* wedding, or talk like that will have your wedding night spent on the couch. :p

Swyped from my Droid Bionic, unless I was in landscape, in which case I Swiftkeyed the hell out of it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Droidth3ory: a word of warning, flashing any codegroups through CWM (bootloader, radio, etc) put me into a bootloop. luckily the BL didn't write so I could fxz. P3droid packed one for me to flash. So until we have a way to do that, we can pretty much only patch the apps in system for better bugfixes
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cellzealot:
Do the research folks...this has all been very thoroughly examined with every previous bootloader locked Motorola device...its not going to be unlocked by any means besides a factory OEM unlock, if at all.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] papi92:
There is no way we will get unlocked. It sucks to say it but Verizon doesn't care. They will lock us down because it saves them money on returned phones
[Motorola Droid Bionic] nosympathy:
Retail for the bionic is 589.99 hope you didn't actually pay 699 for this phone.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] yutzyscott:
They're going to be releasing the unlock for the european bionics. Im hoping to see that made to work with our US phones by our brilliant dev community
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Says who? Lol
[Motorola Droid Bionic] smilepak:
i guess all the server is down, no update. I am back at stock already too
[Motorola Droid Bionic] crxlvr:
At radioshack it costs 799.99 retail. That was before we stopped carrying it.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Sjflowerhorn:
Open sesame bootloader! Grrrrr you are all I want for Christmas!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
Once I get my gnex ill hardware brick it playing around.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ticrandall:
Ha, I blew my upgrade on the bionic, only paid 250, that amount just isn't enough to help my point, I had to pad it. :)
[Motorola Droid Bionic] dadsterflip:
Id like a link please. That would be awesome
[Motorola Droid Bionic] nosympathy:
That's funny as Motorola lists retail on the phone at 589.99. As does Verizon.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] YoungSkeezy:
Source and release date please?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] r0ckstar323:
The Bionic is a Verizon only device. It was only made in 4G LTE and CDMA. It wont be released anywhere else. The RAZR on the other hand will be released worldwide and the bootloader will be unlocked if the carrier allows it. Even if there was a European Bionic with an unlocked bootloader it wouldn't do us any good because our bootloader is still locked. Which, from my understanding, it wont be able to be unlocked unless there is official firmware for the Droid Bionic pushed from Motorola that unlocks it. Any firmware from a phone on a different carrier wouldnt be official for our device so we couldnt push it to it.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] yutzyscott:
It was a story on my mobilebuzz widget about 3 weeks ago. Don't remember where it originated. Droidlife? Android central? Ect. ect.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] n8thegr8:
fastboot

is there a reason why we can't use fastboot to flash the mbmloader_ns.bin in the same fashion that the script is? Seems too easy...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] phydo:
I believe part of the issue is the radio and loader version unmatching
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cellzealot:
Flashing the mbmloader is a guarranteed way to hard brick the phone. The mbmloader is what actually stores and checks the encrypted bootloader keys.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ROB281:
got a call back from Verizon on my complaint to the FCC, also said they would be sending me, and the FCC a written copy of their response
[Motorola Droid Bionic] dan46n2:
That should be an interesting read!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] ROB281:
I'll be sure to scan a copy unless someone else gets one beforehand
[Motorola Droid Bionic] zachdroid:
I still have yet to hear back from vzw or the fcc about my filed complaint. How long did it take for you to hear?