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[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sylau90:
hey buddy, please correct your words...we didn't say that WP7 running on single core is slow,please get us right...the reason why we want dual-core is more future proof...

future proof,read it again...microsoft has disappointed me twice since I just love WP7 like you,1st is the HTC HD2 and it can't run a real or proper WP7 due to microsoft don't want to support it.Then,i went for Mozart just for wp7,and now Microsoft says that only one major update per year, therefore, I don't think mozart is up for the next update no new feature,secondary camera, gyroscope for better augmented reality, kinect integration&etc....

So, get us right,before you write man...everyone knows that WP7 is fast on single core,but no future proof...not everyone is rich a$$ and able to buy new mobile phone every year. We want something can last for at least 2 years.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N8ter:
Specs > Design. If Nokia ships phones with Titan/Focus S specs they will not be able to attract the amount of conversions they need.

What Microsoft needs is conversions, not turnover.

Conversion: Android/iOS/WebOS/BB users switching to WP7.

Turn-Over: Us upgrading because we want more up-to-date handsets.

Android got where it is because it was able to convert a ton of Windows Mobile/BB/WebOS and even some iOS people to Android, not through turn-over.

Cute phones don't make those people come to WP7, when the internals are a year or more behind the competition. It's not just about power. Newer SoCs allow for LTE and faster HSPA+ data connections (this is why T-Mobile is using a Qualcomm instead of Exynos in their Galaxy S II). It allows for high-def Video Chatting. NFC. WiFi Direct. Bluetooth 3.0, etc.

Keep in mind, a lot of those features were on phones a year ago.

Microsoft's hardware specs have really held OEMs back. Part of the reason why Advertising for WP7 is so bad is cause the carriers and OEMs are really struggling to find a story to tell. The handsets, even if the design is nice, simply won't have that with the way Microsoft keeps the OEMs on that leash...

And with users come more and better dev support.

I've spend the better part of 3-4 days going through the app market and there's hardly any non-game apps worth installing (outside of some obvious ones, of course). Hardly any of them have been updated to Mango, and there are apps that I paid for which haven't been updated in ~6 months...

Yes, WP7 has to catch up. Software isn't the only way they need to catch up. They need to catch up with device specs as well.

The 4G phones coming to AT&T are 14.4 Mbps HSPA+ devices. The Galaxy S II on AT&T is a 21 Mbps device. T-Mobile's Galaxy S II is a 42 Mbps device, I doubt the Radar 4G will be above 14.4 unless they use an SoC we don't anticipate. The Price of the phones didn't have anything to do with the slow uptake of WP7 on release. The state of the OS had everything to do with that. It's one thing to be told something. It's another thing for people to see what it really performed like when they went in the store (and by performed, I'm not talking about raw speed).

Even now that Mango is out. So little apps are taking advantage of its new features that they need to really push for developers to get on the ball to updating their apps and supporting them. To a consumer trying devices out in a carrier store (only choice for a lot of them, since most of their friends don't have WP7 devices), a lot of Mango's changes seem purely cosmetic because of that. Microsoft haven't even updated most of their own apps on the marketplace for Mango...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MartyLK:
Very true. My sentiments exactly.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N8ter:
Part of it is good: They've added a lot of integrated functionality that reduces the need to install 3rd party apps. Shazam is useless on WP7 for me, for example (just one example).

Part of it is Bad: There are a lot of good apps on other platforms that seem like they don't care, and apps that were released early on, like Twitter/Birdsong that seem to have fallen out of support. Maybe the dev of Birdsong made enough cash and don't feel the need to update the app anymore?

Board Express Pro hasn't updated their app in forever as well, and that's a $3 app.

IMO, if you don't plan on supporting your app in the marketplace, it shouldn't cost anything. I have tended to ignore paid apps (don't even consider them, and don't even look at them) now unless they're a reputable app from a reputable developer. I'll buy BeejiveIM if it comes to WP7, I'll buy TapaTalk if it comes to WP7. If I had to do it again, I wouldn't buy Birdsong or Board Express Pro.

My days paying for apps are numbered. It's the developers' fault, too.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PG2G:
I think a lot of Microsoft's initial goal was Conversion of non-smartphone users. I don't have anything to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if a large amount of Android's marketshare comes from mid/low range devices.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] munkeyphyst:
N8tr,

Weren't you the one upset in an older thread that "all the apps are mango" and you couldn't use them because mango wasn't officially released yet... And now your upset that not enough apps are mango...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] domineus:
oh yes and the incredible spec'd devices that were on windows mobile were blockbusters in the market

Microsoft again will lose money if this is all about a specs war, and specs weren't the reason why android was (and is) successful. It's a part, but not the complete package.

Android is diverse enough to reach several different price points to be pawned and given away for pennies. In America, that's important. The only one that feels the need to compare the specs is a bunch of idiots like you and me to see who has the bigger e credit

And I bet anyone on xda devs has done that once

But guess what? We're a growing population, but we are still a blip in comparison to the mass consumer. Go on, ask anyone if spec's matter. To many the answer is possibly, but when a person is selling a phone, they don't say

Hi this phone has a 1.5 gig dual core qhd screen.

They dumb it down to make it sound nice. If you speak techie 24x7 selling a phone, not many sales occur. Again, its about the casual customer.

That said, looking at the price points for android devices that are priced and have similar hardware to windows phone, windows phone does provide a far greater out of box experience. That matters, and it is a large reason why many ditched windows mobile and palm in favor for the iphone flavor in 2007.

Windows Phone has to be popular, and that is a key deterrent in both apple and android's success. This year is the year of getting Windows on equal footing with Android and apple in competitive pricing. Next year is popularity, and ironically, a lot of users will be looking to renew their contracts in America...that matters too

In other words

wait or use a different phone if you're after specs...It's what I used to tell my customers all the time
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RoboDad:
I don't know about N8ter, but I complained before the official release, when Microsoft was pushing Mango updates into the marketplace, and their policy was that any app updated to Mango caused the NoDo version to be locked (no more updates allowed). We didn't know how long it would be until the official release, and we didn't know how many NoDo apps would be dead-ended in the interim.

But now Mango is officially out, and Microsoft has admitted that their policy was a bad idea and reversed it. So now everyone wins. People with Mango can get Mango apps, and people with NoDo can continue to receive updates (at least until their numbers are so few that it no longer makes sense).
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elcapo24682:
I couldn't agree more, I think 16GB is plenty for almost all needs

because of the fact that all the iNaives out there don't know better. people need to stop holding Microsoft to a higher standard than google and apple. the iOS5 betas so far have been unstable on the iPhone4 when compared to mango, also apple may not even release the iPhone 5 but more of a rehash of the iPhone 4,I've seen ur trolling on pocketnow over the mango update and u are just plain wrong, ur just mad because mango doesn't include ur precious Google- integration.

and this matters how? at&t,tmobile and vz all have data caps, what good is 42mbps when u can't even use them without being slowed or overcharged?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rd_nest:
Who are you to decide what screen size is good for me?

"IS NOT NECESSARY" - who gave you the right to decide what is necessary? Don't be a smartass
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vetvito:
N8ter Board Express is Tapatalk.

Umm. The HD2 was a hit, and was the ONLY incredibly spec'd Windows Mobile device.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vetvito:
What pace is that? WP7 claims less than 2% of the market.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gentry33:
I totally agree about conversion and turnover but I have to disagree with your logic on advertising. There is no logic in advertising, it's all about how much money you're willing to pony up to sell the product. If you truly believe that there is truth in advertising then android is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the world would come to an end without the iphone. Microsoft needs to further subsidize the OEMs and carriers and the ads and sales push will come. It's a great product but money talks.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] domineus:
and how many units were returned? ahuh
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vetvito:
Why ask a rhetoric question, that you don't even know the answer to?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agp64:
The bold part of you statement is doing more harm to Microsoft then most will admit.

When I started to look for a new phone I Shopped in 4 different country's, And guess what the common theme was in all 4 country's? Every shop was trying to Push Apple Or Android Phones not one store recommended WP7.

Buy the way the 4 Country's were Thailand,Malaysia,Singapore and Australia.

I tried between 6 to 10 shops in each country over a 6 month time frame.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MartyLK:
Actually the HD2 has been the most successful handset ever created. I remember a poll where a list a nearly all smartphones were listed and the HD2 won out over them all. Not only that but it is one of most dev'd phones around. It is also a super reliable and robust phone. My first one has been through hell for a year and is still going strong. It now has card slot troubles, but flashing Mango on it solves the issue. My new HD2 is just as sweet and I'm using a Tytung cLK Android ROM that is showing to be as natural for it as any OEM ROM. The battery life is amazing...in standby, anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bronson006:
Progress

Don't post much on this great forum..I have learned so much here and continue to do so...But have to add my 2 cents...Choice folks!!!! that's what it seems to be here people. I'm glad windows platforms have always been about choice, within microsofts spectrum of coarse...As one of there first pda clients i have to admit this new platform is stunning...But one of the core values i see here is choice..an entry level phone for people starting out or can't afford the kickass smartphones with big displays and incredible performance...I personally feel they have gone back to the start providing an amazing OS, that anyone can use..And can be tweaked in time with amazing people at microsoft, and with help as well with the people in this great site.They want to introduce a phone for everyone can that can use and can afford. They are trying to reach everyonel... Hats off to MICROSOFT!!! And to XDADEVELOPERS for this forum... This site keep us all thinking and ask questions or post our complaints and ideas to understand and reach the ultimate goal..... Dammm ...Windows 3.0 has Locked up again!!!!! ....crtl ...alt...delete...

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[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aphasaic2002:
I agree with this.

Currently the WP7 hardware AND OS are both a generation behind. Mango brings it up to date, roughly on par with iOS4 but now iOS5 and Android ICS are being released, it's behind again.

Same with the hardware; first gen devices were just old Android knockoffs, now these new "powerful" 2nd gen W7 handsets will be left in the dust by current high-spec Androids and the IPhone5 (which is rumoured to be packing dual core CPU and 4G).

I agree with other posters, specs don't matter so much in real world useage, but they DO matter on paper for a new buyer of a phone. If you can buy a top of the range handset or an average WP7 handset for the same price from the carrier, which one is the smart buyer going to go for? Windows Phone are quite over-priced; at least here in Asia, it's cheaper to buy the new Sony Xperia Android phone, and they look and feel hella sexy.

For people who don't care about hardware or specs? They'll just continue to buy the iPhone like always.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] elcapo24682:
and what does iOS5 offer that mango doesn't? I said in a previous post that the iOS5 betas became sluggish on the iPhone 4, I dont remember sucha thing EVER HAPPENING on my arrive in both mango betas
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aphasaic2002:
The main thing is the notification tray. Notifications are a joke in WP7; toasts still disappear after 15 seconds in Mango. If you miss a toast message, it's gone forever; you may as well never have received it. Also no toasts for built in email client or social media integration; if I get an email, my phone vibrates but i have to close my current app and open the email client to see what it was - it's utterly ridiculous!

Notifications were one of the biggest complains for Apple users, and one of the biggest positives in Android. You'd think Microsoft would have listened to what was wrong in other OS's and exploited that, adding new features people want and need to make their phone stand out, but for some unknown reason they haven't; they've just built an iOS4 clone with a different GUI.

I've listed other important missing features here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17990410&postcount=34

WP7 are also behind on the app front, big time. I keep hearing "fasting growing marketplace" or "it's coming SOON", but that doesn't help me NOW. A new version of Skype has just been released yesterday on Android, it's like they're rubbing our noses in it!

As for sluggishness; it's a beta. Let's wait for the final release before comparing "smoothness".
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PG2G:
I don't think a Notification Tray alone makes Mango a generation behind iOS5, especially when there are so many things Mango does that the other's don't (or Mango does better).

I do agree that we need apps though, apps that take advantage of the unique features of the OS and provide a unique experience that can't be had on the other platforms. That's a separate discussion though.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aphasaic2002:
Like what? Genuine question.

If you're going to say social media integration, then I think a notification tray + different social media apps posting to it is a better solution than the People hub in WP7. This is because you can use different apps which do different things, making it massively more configurable, plus it'll actually buzz your phone when you get a new message (isn't that the point of a notification system?)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PG2G:
I don't think a notification tray does anything remotely similar to social media integration. One is about... notifications, and the other is about putting everything related to a person in a single logical place.

There is also the following:

1. Improved messaging with built in Facebook and Windows Live Messenger

2. Contact Groups

3. Live tiles, multiple live tiles allow for a significantly improved application experience over what is possible on iOS. Look at the eBay app for an excellent example of what can be done here

There's also unique stuff like how apps are integrated into searches and hubs. Overall its a data centric approach (which makes sense) as opposed to an app centric approach.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StarbuxMcCloud:
Right on. It's like Microsoft wants everyone to be stuck with devices from last year while betting everything on their OS, which isn't all that massively impressive that it outweighs the fact that it runs on older hardware only.

This "iDon't need [insert 2011 technology WP7 won't have here] in my phone" attitude is contradictory because that could also be argued against WP7, since android phones are much cheaper and do end up meeting the needs and wants for most people. If WP7 runs so smooth and so functional, what if I said I don't need smoothness because it's a gimmic, and I only save 2 milliseconds with slightly better functionality at the cost of losing access to so many apps and a larger selection of hardware choices.

Another thing too is HDMI-Out which doesn't even exist on any WP7 device that I know of. Specs don't matter until things like this are left out, that's when dual-core doesn't become some gimmic or "android needs dual-cores because it's so slow blah blah" when in fact it's an actual useful feature.

Lets not forget possible future software updates that get discovered. I remember a while ago the iphone jailbreak community managed to get 720p recording on the iphone 3gs, which was previously not possible on 3.2mp camera phones. The only reason it worked was because Apple didn't skimp on specs, and its processor was able to handle the higher resolution recording. Specs DO matter, they always mattered. I don't need a bunch of Microsoft fanboys telling me what I need and what I don't need.

I hope Nokia gets this and packs WP7 in their N950.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wyn6:
Just an FYI. The Titan has an HDMI out and DLNA as well. The Focus S may have both as well. Can't remember the specs right off hand and don't feel like looking. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vangrieg:
WP7 was launched in Russia on Sep 16 with only one device, HTC Mozart, and I've been watching how it sells here. Quite surprisingly, it seems to do fairly well according to what I see and hear - i.e. retailers are "surprised", devices quickly sell out in stores, and in a week or so I met 4(!) quite random people with Mozarts. There hasn't been a huge advertising campaign or anything, just a few billboards, not anywhere close to Android's or Bada's share of voice.

I was wondering why this is happening and then it struck me that Mozart, as dull and average as it is, is in fact an excellent product in the medium price smartphone segment. Androids for this price are utter laggy crap, Symbian is, well, Symbian, and for $450 you just can't beat Mozart's performance with anything. Top-of-the line Androids like SGS2 will still outsell it, there's no chance to make a killing with mediocre specs I think, but attacking the medium tier seems to be a reasonable strategy.

It all changes dramatically when phones are subsidized though, because price doesn't matter much then. I recall how in the beginning an HTC rep said that one can't expect any great sales numbers until WP7 becomes available internationally. Medium priced devices just don't make sense when AT&Ts and Verizons make the call. They will care for either phones that fly off the shelves themselves or phones for which they can minimize subsidies...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Peew971:
I agree with everything except the storage issue. Before buying my Omnia 7 I was walking around with a HD2 and a Zune HD and it is much easier to just use my phone as a media player. Millions of iPhone users do it (rumour is Apple is even considering making a 64GB iPhone), why not Windows Phone users? I also have 8GB of music on my PC so I don't see the need for paying for a Zune Pass (not to mention many of my songs are not on the marketplace anyway). Apps eventually eat up your storage space too (e.g. games) so really most people cannot cope with only 8GB. Storage will be my first deciding factor when I move to a 2nd gen WP, I wish the Focus S offers 32GB as for now it looks like a winner to me.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] N8ter:
No, but some quotes would suffice since I may be wrong. This isn't the only forum I post on.

Maybe you misunderstood: Upgrading Apps to Mango while the NoDo version stays buggy and borderline inoperable in many cases is dumb.

My issue was with Microsoft locking NoDo updates when a developer upgraded their app to Mango, causing needed bug fixes to be out of reach to users on NoDo seeing as how Mango was only in Beta and still isn't released to all WP7 users.

But if you prefer to just troll me, then go ahead. It's fun :)

---------- Post added at 09:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 AM ----------

Faster data means everything is faster. Loading map tiles in Bing Maps, searching for music in Shazam/Bing, Bing Vision, getting files from SkyDrive. People Tile updates. Sending and recieving email. Etc.

Everything that uses the phone's data connection is MUCH faster when you have a data speed that is 3-4x faster than the current 3G phones.

THAT's why it matters. Because Smartphones are all about data and data speeds, and when you have faster data speeds, the experience is MUCH better.

Whether you have a fast or slow connection doesn't matter. You're still going to do the same **** so data caps and overages do not matter.

Sprint has no Data Cap. T-Mobile only has a soft-cap, and no overages. People on AT&T and Verizon with Unlimited Data plans got grandfathered in and still have them.

Not sure what you're trying to get at, but you're not doing that good a job.

There are other benefits to having better hardware. Of all the things I listed you chose ONE bulletpoint to try (and fail horribly) to nitpick? Give me a break, or two...

---------- Post added at 09:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:38 AM ----------

Obviously I mean a TapaTalk app developed by a more reliable developer, who knows how to develop a decent WP7 app and not one that's so laggy that it selects something half the time when I'm trying to pan, etc. and never updates it.

It's obvious that some of these developers got in early to make a quick buck and then "forgot" about the people who paid cash for the app.

---------- Post added at 10:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:42 AM ----------

Droid X and Galaxy S phones had HDMI Out and DLNA last May/June. And? That's the issue. Being perpetually behind by 1.5-2 years hardware-wise.

It's impossible to have really fast HSPA+ or LTE support because Microsoft (I'm assuming) does not support those SoCs [yet] for WP7, and since HSPA+/LTE radios are backward compatible with HSDPA/UPA and EvDO any phone without one is a worse value proposition.

Same thing goes for qHD screens, etc.

And they need 32GB options, I'd say even 64GB models of some phones should be offered if they wish people to ditch their ZuneHDs or even consider WP7 over an iPhone or Android+iTouch. Without SD support they need to offer high-storage SKUs, like Apple does. It's the only reason why Apple can get away with that...
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