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[General Topics] YourMainDude:
I skimmed thru it... one flaw the nexus S has is Google Maps... when on the road I test both phones and surely enough Nexus One Was Always Connected.. have them both On AT&T
[General Topics] melvinchng:
HTC has better WiFi, network and GPS chips..

Accidentally sent from my Google Nexus S using XDA Premium
[General Topics] blowtorch:
good write up! nexus s is more secksy
[General Topics] obsanity:
Cool write up but I strongly disagree on the super amoled vs super LCD. I think samoled looks much much better than any LCD technology out there. And most nexus s users here would agree :)

Sent from my Nexus S 4G
[General Topics] Esteway.619:
I agree for sure. I rooted my friends evo last night and put miui on there and even his phone on full brightness my screen looks so much better its ridiculous. I will never buy another phone with out super amoled display.
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
I say htc for looks and beats but samsung for hardware I mean they got Super Amoled HD, exynos 1.5ghz dual-core, and etc
[General Topics] lynyrd65:
You can't be serious.

The wolfson DAC in our Samsung phones are the highest quality sound processors available in any phone.
[General Topics] irishrally:
Samsung is my new favorite phone manufacturer. HTC designs seem so played out these days. The Nexus S is still the sleekest phone on the market.

I wish I could see Johnny Cash holding a Nexus S. Black suit, shirt and phone.
[General Topics] Rem3Dy:
Um...... Both companies use ARM based processors. In fact, every processor in every Android phone is ARM based. What you could say is that Samsung makes a better ARM processor than htc.
[General Topics] voyager_s:
While i have not ever handled a nexus one personally. I have however spent quite a lot of time with the HTC desire, which is more or less identical to the nexus one.

In terms of hardware, the nexus s is overall superior on paper and in practise. The 540 gpu in the nexus s is far more powerful than the adreno in the nexus one/desire.

The hummingbird in the nexus s again gives more performance than the first generation snapdragon in the nexus one. Both got good cameras in my opinion.

In terms of sound and music, i think the Samsung nexus s has the best audio output I've ever experienced as an mp3 player. With voodoo control the audio is amazing. No other word to use. Try it and see.

Build quality comes down to preference i think. Both use somewhat different materials. I like both.

When it comes to looks? No doubt in my mind...the nexus s is the most sexiest looking thing in the smartphone business. So God damn sexy its silly...lol

The display is again down to preference i suppose. But Super AMOLED is something real special. The colours are amazing again. With voodoo controls it gets even better with more customization. Just Wow. If i ever go to normal LCD displays again, how i will survive without super AMOLED i do not know. Its awesome.

Where the nexus one shines however is the inclusion of SD card input. That's the only real feature i wish the nexus s had. Also, although it has not been a problem for all the last 11 months I've had the handset, i do wish we had at least 1 gig of ram instead of the 512 mgb available.

Overall i think Samsung did a terrific job with the nexus s. Their hardware overall, and I'm not just speaking of Smartphones, are more often than not simply excellent. Quality through and through.
[General Topics] Tenhi:
HTC is not making CPUs :p... They are using Qualcomm's chipsets as far as I know :)

Everything else is fine, but I can't agree with this. Desire has very very bad camera in my opinion. Camera in Nexus S is not great, but it is way better.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
The things you mentioned have been covered by a lot of reviews. I wanted to look from different angles.

Regarding hardware: I had the Nexus S and Nexus One side by side for some time. Both running gingerbread, and the Nexus S wasn't faster than the Nexus One. Only games are better and more fluid. I even had some instances where my Nexus S would freeze, never had such issues with the Nexus One.

In the end benchmarks don't tell anything, because the real life usage counts, and there is no big performance jump from Nexus One to Nexus S.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Yep. HTC is clearly better in this regard.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Yeah, the whole lcd vs. AMOLED issue is a matter of personal taste. Some people prefer AMOLED colors, others LCD clearness.

Since Samsung introduced super AMOLED plus (without Pentile matrix) the AMOLED screens have perfect text too. Finally no fuzzy text. :)
[General Topics] voyager_s:
Well...I haven't really compared the cameras to a great extent. They both seemed fine and good enough cameras but i guess it stands to reason the nexus s would be better as it was released almost a year after the first nexus.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Hmm what's so special about the Nexus S hardware design? The Nexus One was really unique. Yes HTC used the Nexus One base for nearly any other phone, but at the time of the release there was no phone looking like the Nexus One.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Hardware specs are nearly identical, but the Nexus One has better design, trackball and the very cool charging contacts as well as noise reduction with the second mic. The chassis is also different.

I can confirm that the Nexus S performs much better with graphic intensive stuff like games. But on regular usage the Nexus One is not slower than the Nexus S. That surprised me as I was expecting the Nexus S to be generally more snappy.

Very possible, I only use quite cheap headphones so its hard to tell a difference. ;)

Nexus S is feeling somewhat cheap. Especially the back, the front is quite cool. The Nexus One is heavier but also provides better haptics and feel IMHO.

I love the black on AMOLED and thanks to AMOLED plus pentile matrix is history (which was the biggest setback of AMOLED). I hope the Galaxy Nexus will sport super AMOLED plus.

I never had any RAM issues with 512 MB yet.

I'm very happy with my Nexus S, but honestly I think HTC would create something with more uniqueness and character. Nexus S doesn't have innovative design, the Nexus One had.
[General Topics] krex:
Hmm... To design innovation...

Nexus One comes with a colored chassis, with physical buttons and colored trackball and deep, sunk LCD display.

Nexus S comes with fully black chassis with fully black LED display with unique curved display and white haptic feedback touchkeys.
[General Topics] BrianDigital:
Geez I bet the blogger already had his mind made up when he learned sammy was going to make the nexus s. The nexus one is in his sites banner......... biased?
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
My mytouch 4g is louder than my friends nexus s
[General Topics] malikadnanm:
Nexus s is a lot faster. I had both and it's no comparison. Just try setting the nexus s live wallpaper on both and see how the app launcher stutters like crazy on the nexus one while its smooth on the nexus s. That's just one example. Nexus one was real nice, but I think nexus s was a great successor cuz it was better in every way, minus the removal of SD card slot.
[General Topics] melvinchng:
They are different. Different processor with different gpu. Just compare a HTC highest end device, sensation with Qualcomm, it is still slower than nexus s.

Accidentally sent from my Google Nexus S using XDA Premium
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Nah, i sold my Nexus One and use the Nexus S as main device. And I'm working on a new banner actually, cause I need a unique one for my blog instead a real device picture. Both phones are great, I just see more commitment on the Nexus One footprint. This might change with the Galaxy Nexus, who knows.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Nexus S with live wallpaper isn't fluid. Compare the homescreen with and without animated wallpaper and you will see a clear difference. Static backgrounds result in much smoother transitions.

Switching apps, opening apps, browsing, sync - everything was comparable. The Nexus S might be slightly faster overall, but Samsung could have done much better if they really wanted to. I.e. bringing a dual core CPU.
[General Topics] malikadnanm:
Im telling you to compare with live wallpaper on on both devices. Of course its not as fluid as it is without live wallpaper on. But when u compare the two the nexus one will crawl and comparatively the nexus s will be much smoother. If the only thing you're comparing is stuff like opening gmail and SMS, then of course the phones will be very similar in speed. I bet tthe original G1 Google phone can open SMS and gmail at around the same time as you can on a nexus one.
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
Nexus s is better hardware wise, but I like the nexus one look
[General Topics] reuthermonkey:
That's like saying that a monster truck is better than a ferrari because it's bigger.

The Wolfson DAC in the Samsung GalaxyS and Nexus S has better sound quality and clarity.

If you judge your music "quality" by how loud it is, then HTC is perfect for you.
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
Im just saying I know htcs speaker sucks, and I am an audiophile I am getting the nexus s 4g this week, but if the prime comes out I will return it : D
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
I know, just wanted to make clear that its not perfect with animated wallpaper on Nexus S. Of course it will be better than on Nexus One because Nexus S can handle graphics better.

But I find it funny how you put animated wallpaper as a more important point than general device usage.

BTW: older devices are not as fast as the Nexus Phones. Even when it comes to simple thinks like app switching. Or multi tasking. There just isn't a huge leap between Nexus S and Nexus One. If you don't believe I can link some benchmarks where you can see that the Nexus One is even ahead in some areas...
[General Topics] asanthadenz:
I 2nd that but i notice the GPS lock is slower on the S than the One
[General Topics] malikadnanm:
What kind of huge leap were u expecting? Because even the dual core phones out now are not faster or much faster than the nexus s in general usage. It came with a bigger and better screen, more ram, better processor, nfc, better graphics chip. I'm still confused as to what your point is. Its better in every way but you don't see it as a good enough successor.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
It's very easy: Nexus One was high end hardware when it came out, Nexus S was running old hardware (galaxy s specs). Don't get me wrong, I really love my Nexus S, but let's be honest the hardware could have been stronger.

I'm just expecting high end hardware from Nexus devices. And it looks like Galaxy Nexus from Samsung will be really high end stuff. It's just that I would prefer a HTC Nexus based on the points I mentioned in my review.
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
I feel like samsung is just giving us a stock galaxy the nexus is supposed to be more, the nexus primes rumored specs are the galaxy hds I feel like samsung does not put much effort
[General Topics] DoomFragger:
I think that the blogger's point of view was to compare the Nexus in each own time. Not against each other.

All is wrong when a phone, with one whole year apart, wouldn't be better.

When the Nexus One outed, it was a WOW factor. Nothing of sorts existed in the Android panorama.

But, when Nexus S came, the world already had Galaxy S. Only two months later S2 was announced and it technologically dwarfed Nexus S.

That's my understanding about the article. He also mention build quality. I prefer HTC (had a Desire).
[General Topics] demo23019:
Owning both phones

N1 has subpar CPU/GPU compaired to NS. Ghz don't always mean everything. Ns sgx540 blows away n1 adreno 200 GPU. Nexus1 lacks true miltitouch. NS regesters up to 5 points at once. GPS is is good on both phones never had and issue with my ns GPS like I did on my vibrant. Bluetooth is better able to reach longer distances with stereo headset.

Bigger better screen on ns. Better soundchip and external speaker on ns. Better camera more program space.....so much more but think I mentioned ed most
[General Topics] demo23019:
Blame Google not Samsung
[General Topics] AllGamer:
the whole comparison was biased

it was well know the flagship Galaxy S was the flagship and had more features than the Nexus S

but if you compare Nexus 1 vs Nexus S, then by far Nexus S is better in every way.

the reason why everyone is biased it simply came down to the use of plastic vs aluminum for the case

Samsung reasoning was to save weight and also prevents crack when dropped

i have HTC devices, they all dented or even aluminum blew apart after several drops

so Samsung use of plastic is actually more sound scientifically proven
[General Topics] kenvan19:
When the Nexus one came out it was without a doubt the most powerful, best looking phone on the market. It set the bar for other phones and it took a long time for any phone to truly dethrone it. Sure there were bigger, sleeker phones but none came close to its coolness factor.

When the Nexus S came out it was a rebranded galaxy s minus a few awesome features of that line and but with gingerbread. That's all it had that set it apart. And even that didn't last long.

People still use and develop for the Nexus one but in two+ years there's not a chance ill still have this phone. It's plasticky, it doesn't have 4g (sorry but wimax doesn't match lte or hspda+ by a very longshot), and it came out at a time when single core phones were starting to look long in the tooth. Instead of pushing the boundaries of android it merely lives within them and that's unacceptable for a nexus phone, in my opinion at least.

As for the screen, super amoled is nice sure but the absolutely horrid pixel density ruins it for me. I went from an epic 4g to an evo and didn't really miss the brightness of the screen. Having played with a sensation 4g extensively I can say without a doubt a prefer the qhd screen even with that phones lackluster viewing angles.

I should have learned my lesson from my epic and stayed away from Samsung phones but I didn't and I regret it.

The nexus one was a landmark and in spite of the flashy new features of the Nexus S it pales in comparison to its elder brother.

Now I just have to wait for some idiot to quote me and say "too long to read but you're wrong"

Sent from my Nexus S MV from the XDA Premium app.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
It's not about comparing them directly, but comparing their impact at the time of the release. As a user pointed out in this thread, it would have been a bad joke if the Nexus S hardware would have been worse than the 1 year old Nexus One. The question is: how good was the device when it was released? Nexus One was a real Android milestone IMHO. Nexus S wasn't, it was just small evolution.

Built quality is just one of many factors. But my Nexus S already started creaking...its not even 3 months old. I don't drop my phones, so yes I would always prefer aluminium body to plastic any day. Also I don't believe that dropping my Nexus S on the streets would have a better result than the Nexus One.
[General Topics] demo23019:
The creaking is the battery cover

But I am surprised no 3rd party cover are avalible preferably aluminum would give the phone a whole new feel but may also interfere with signals...idk plastic scratches too easy.

But tbh current state doesn't bother me plus I also have in thin protective case so not even noticeable.

Also N1 is different design has more bezel all around. NS is all glass on front back is plastic cover on.

only bezel is this thin strip around the edges.

The phone itself is solid.
[General Topics] cttttt:
I had a look. Its a great hardware comparison but really, ur comparing a two year old phone to a brand new one.

Here's my comparison:

- N1:

-- Power button that could fail at any time.

-- One and a half finger multi-touch. Problematic for any keyboard.

-- A mystifying storage situation (expandable to 32gb, but not for app storage...well sort of. Who thought that would fly?).

-- A dual mic design that mutes your speech when you hold the phone with your shoulder. Pretty annoying.

-- Otherwise, a solid device: XRAY-like GPS that works in basements, perfect compass, epic signal quality...the list goes on.

- NS:

-- A search button (its not even a button...''a search part of the touchscreen'') that keeps registering touches when...the signal strength is too low? I'm nit sure what amount of wire crossing could cause this.

-- A compass that is so sensitive, it registers the vibration of the earth beneath my epic grip.

-- Pretty good battery life...in airplane mode. Not quite as bad as the N1, but that much better *when in use*.

-- Otherwise, a pretty solid device (perfect touchscreen, pretty snappy, decent call quality, and storage for plenty of apps).

Conclusion: Google may want to look to another hardware manufacturer if they want an iPhone-killer...much less a bugless phone.

I guess to each his own though :-)

- chris

- chris
[General Topics] Drzfr3shboialex:
The nexus prime sounds like a winner and iphone killer js :)
[General Topics] Killasmoke:
I like Samsung better the best screen better cpu & gpu htc alright no problem with them but Samsung is Samsung & apple is afraid of them & Google hence lawsuits the iPhone 5 is going to be good but galaxy s2 is better & just wait until the Prime comes out not to mention the galaxy s3 that Samsung is making the Nexus Prime or Galaxy S3 are the only phones I'm waiting to see & 1 of them will be mines bye spring time 2012!! or whenever the s3 debuts so I can play with both & decided :)
[General Topics] reuthermonkey:
The point of the Nexus series isn't to have the most powerful device. The point is to be a showcase of pure Google Android. I'm quite surprised that so many Nexus owners can't see the distinction between the two.

When the Nexus One came out, what did the Android handset landscape look like?

It was filled with manufacturers (HTC and Samsung mostly) essentially using their cheapest hardware to get out a barely functional phone to make the as much profit as possible. That's why the 2009 Hero was running the same 528mhz SoC as the 2008 G1 and barely faster than the 2007 iPhone. The 2009 Droid was a bit faster, but the Nexus One was NEEDED to showcase what more power would do for Android. Android hardware was a limiting factor for the development of the OS.

Before the Nexus One, manufacturers didn't want to risk loading up an Android phone with better hardware because they thought that Android users didn't need/want more than a cheap iPhone rip-off. Google knew that they needed to change manufacturer's minds, and that's why we have the Nexus One.

Now, what did that handset landscape look like when the Nexus S came out?

By this point, hardware was no longer a limiting factor for Google Android. We had the Evo 4G, Desire, the GalaxyS, DroidX, Xperia X10, etc. All 1ghz and above, with ever better features. 4G, 8mp, hdmi-out, hd recording, FFC, larger screen sizes, etc...

For the Nexus S, the expectations were different. Google needed a platform to test and push out new software support for future ventures. More internal memory, FFC, NFC, and as a showcase for Gingerbread's new visual layout (ie the primarily black interface with the SAMOLED display). Google also needed a prettier device, and they damn sure got it.
[General Topics] underdog2k9:
Some of you forget that the Nexus Series should never be a High-End Device Series, it is for Developer. I prefer the Nexus S and i have it with LCD-Screen. I like th plastic and i love the concave screen.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
No its not only meant for developers, as you can get Nexus phones from regular retailers.

It's meant for everybody who wants the Google vision of Android without any 3rd party tweaks.
[General Topics] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Very good thoughts, I agree with nearly all of them. It's true that Google needed to put pressure on manufacturers when the n1 came out because there wasn't much commitment to create high end hardware. But for me and many others the Nexus range is meant to provide a device which shows the vision of Google for Android. Therefore its not enough that the latest Android version runs smoothly, it has to be unique hardware in many respects. It has to be different from all the rest. But ill admit that this is more wishful thinking than anything else because Google never said Nexus is meant for hardware high end. I still think its in their interest that Nexus devices are perceived as high end though.

Why didn't Samsung go with dual core which was only weeks away from the Nexus S release? Yes single core and AMOLED were enough to showcase Gingerbread. But I hope Google will continue to push boundaries for future Nexus phones. And overall the Nexus One left a lasting impression, I would love to see HTC take another shot. But Motorola would also be great. Two years Samsung in a row is enough. ;)
[General Topics] AllGamer:
I completely agree with that remark.

I even think the same thing about the current SGS2 vs. Nexus 3 (Prime)

again Samsung is putting SGS2 as the flagship and the Nexus 3 has been downgraded, and it's not a milestone phone as the impact Nexus 1 made in the industry.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] 2011CorvetteZR1:
I have a B60 with a cracked screen that might help others who need parts. It still works, I have it connected to my TV and watch .avi's. Is is worth anything to anybody? A few bucks plus shipping?

I might swap the screen with a working B80 and then sell a B80 with a cracked screen. Would this be of any interest? Trying to figure out my options before proceeding.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] redbullcat:
Depending on how much you'd like for it, I'd take it.

PMed.

Also this should be in the Marketplace section, but you seem like a nice guy (and you're new) so I'll forgive ya :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tabletgek:
how the hell did you crack the gorilla glas!!! ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] eb50:
How much?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] finalhit:
how much chickens do i need to sacrifice before the iron fist hear my prayers? i'm losing faith in the iron fish...i'm seriously considering converting to kaballah.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] the_scotsman:
All buying and selling should be done in the Marketplace forum.
[HTC Desire S] maxxur:
Dear forum,

I kind of hesitated to start a thread for my problem, but after a long time I still haven't found a solution. I have contacted HTC (no answer yet), but hope to resolve my problem in meanwhile instead of waiting 1 month+ for a replacement.

I got the -by now familiar- freeze, and after rebooting it would go beyond the HTC logo, then stay stuck in a backlit black screen mode. Tried removing the battery, sim card, sd card etc. Then decided to boot into recovery (vol down + power) which worked, but any option would freeze the phone, like factory reset which I tried first.

Right now, the phone already freezes at the carrier logo, and I can't even get into recovery again (vol down + power). The phone won't respond to the key presses, and eventially boot and freeze at the carrier logo. The weird thing is that before, after a lot of trying and re-inserting the battery, it would eventually boot and work just fine for about 1 in 10 tries.

Does anyone have any ideas what I could try? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

edit: Okay, after a while I finally managed to get into HBoot again! Now what should I do to get my phone resetted/fixed? I guess it's not possible for me to flash another ROM or something as i'm not rooted. Details shown are: S-OFF, HBOOT 98.0002
[HTC Desire S] Eclipse_Droid:
can you get into recovery from bootloader?