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[General Topics] Archer:
I've called iOS users sheep before now, but I believe I have sound reasoning for it.

My main concern (here we go again!) is the advertising that Apple do. Obviously this plays a massive part in their marketing, and therefore their sales, and it's clearly aimed at people who would rather sit in their armchair and stare at the TV to be told what to do.

For example, Facetime. What, you mean video calling that I've had on mobile phones for nearly 10 years now? Oh no, you don't mean that because you

need

a wifi connection, something that my 10 year old phones didn't have, but were still capable of video calls?

Alternatively, "if you don't have an iPhone then you don't have iTunes". Correct. I have a miriad of other music players to chose from. "You don't have Airplay". Again, correct. I have an industry standard technology available to me, called DLNA. I also have music over a data connection using something like AudioGalaxy, and more recently Google Music.

Basically, if you watch an iPhone/iPad advert and think "that's amazing" then I whole-heartedly brand you a sheep.

I'm not actually knocking Apple products here, you may notice - more the dumb advertising style, and the dumb people that fall for it. I think the iPhone and iPad are good products. They're just not for me.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
Thats another issue. Please back it up with evidence.

Example: myTouch 4G comes with 2 screens/2 eMMC, one bad and one good. Now, I can exchange and get good one. On the iPhone 4 side, everysingle of them has an antena issue. Yes, it doesnt affect everyone, but all of my friends had to buy bumper cases because they were not able to make a single call without it being dropped. To which Steve Jobs said "you holding it the wrong way." They also claimed they fixed it on VZ version - NOT.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
John speaks truth
[General Topics] Snow_fox:
This is a very good point. The more popular anything is, the more morons are going to use it.

Being as unbiased as I can here.. Windows 7 is a pretty great operating system. It doesn't matter how great it is if 90% of the people out there are using it, and from there 90% of its users are dumb enough to click on an add "GET FREE PRONZ NOW!" with no anti-virus, no common sense or anything else.

It doesn't matter how secure OSX, Windows, Android, iOS or any other OS is the user is still the weakest link.

The more users you have, the more problems your going to realize exist with your OS, and the worse your user-base is going to become.

The one thing I will say for android is it was designed for geeks and tweakers.. So it at least had a better beginning.. iOS was designed for people who don't know how to turn on a computer.

if there was ever any doubt you were just trolling, it is gone now.

I'm going to go ahead and feed the troll though.

Your sig says your the "official Galaxy S hater" but your saying iphone has higher quality.

I'm not even going to explain this, just post LOL. Seriously? that has to be some of the most obvious trolling I have ever seen when you think about where all those parts come from ;)

I personally blame the commercials and Steve Jobs for this fact.

If you remember the "I'm a Mac" commercials.. Or even the "Think Different" commercials.. the message is basically "BUY OUR PRODUCT, BE LIKE GHANDI AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER GREAT PEOPLE!" It was really really disgusting if you ever sit back and watch them..

Factor in Steve Jobs pompus attitude and you basically have people buying confidence and acceptance into social norms. (Hipster mentality)

Lol... you know when I saw the commercials I actually thought, "WHO WANTS iTUNES? REALLY APPLE? YOUR GOING TO DRIVE AWAY YOUR CORE MARKET!"

I remember not properly researching my first ipod... Oh god.. I hated it.. It took me forever to realize that I needed itunes.. and then I hated the program because it sucked.

Keep in mind I didn't realize other media players existed at the time and this was like 10 years ago. So 10 years later.. I am now really disturbed that people seem to actually like itunes and being able to only do things apples way.. Which I found to constantly cause problems.

"Give up doing things your way, screw your wants and your needs, Join the exclusive hipster club by sacrificing your ability to do what you want, with your electronics"
[General Topics] vnvman:
Imho fandroids are a different breed of sheeps: most of them know that android packs "something more" compared to iOS, so they have fun bashing apple users using their poor knowledge of the OS they're using as a weapon. They trained themselves not to see the bugs and disadvantages about using android, and basically overhyped the pros. The ones i hate the most are actually those who got an android because they couldn't afford an iPhone, so they started despising what they couldn't have. I'm pretty sure most of those are the kids spamming with the "go android" kind of bull: their parents didn't get them the iThing so now they can only hate.

Personally i got an android phone (again) this year basically because i find iOS too boring and WP7 too limited (hardware+software)...i tried all of them so at least i'm sure about it: i like what i like, i'm not a sheep.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
@ vnvman Totally agree.

By the way, apple has some good stuff. I got iPod classic 80gb and it is one of the greatest things I have ever owned. It lasted full 8 hours, and I could fit so many movies into it. Saved my life when I worked security job and had no HW.

So I dont hate apple, I hate dumb fanatics... from both parties!
[General Topics] aohus:
i'm seeing something really interesting going on. if you head over to mac forums, there seems to be less of the RDF (reality distortion field) coming out, and more sound, reasonable statements from Apple enthusiasts. They aren't as obnoxious as they used to be, going all out with Apple fanaticism, but I do see more well rounded comments about technology as a whole.

now when i go to android sites, i see a lot of immature comments. it could very possibly be that Apple products do attract folks with more money, and with more money comes educational background and such. Now I don't want to make it sound like a class warfare issue, but this is just what I am noticing.

also, I do like both ecosystems, so I am not fervently against one OS over the other. They both have their strengths and weaknesses. I hate folks that create boundaries within the technology industry, and refuse to buy a product because you just don't like them. Why be a corporate fanboy? There is no point. In the end, all tech companies main goal is profits, on a quarterly basis.
[General Topics] scyld:
Sheesh, are you so touchy that you can't ignore the stupidity from this relatively small group of hecklers?

Also, someone recently filed a patent on toast. No, not everything should be patentable just because a patent for it doesn't already exist. And yes, patents is running smock the most for information technology. Goog... err, use whatever search engine you find inoffensive to look up "patent trolls." These are small companies of a couple people whose sole purpose is to take out patents on IT and sue corporations. There was a piece on NPR all about this not too long ago, featuring a number of IT developers complaining about current patent law, explaining why the people actually inventing these technologies hate current patent law, and how unintelligiable the resulting patents are to even the people who invented whatever the patent is suppose to cover.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
@ aohus

I see people without money buying iPhones just because they are cool. Buying off contract to use on T-Mobile.

I despise those 13 year olds, on our forum, who post bs
[General Topics] AllGamer:
apple product

this reminds me of the international news about some kids in china and other countries sold their organs just to buy a stupid apple product
[General Topics] AllGamer:
that's exactly what is going on now in days, everyone is abusing the flaws in the patent laws
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Or maybe it's because there's no TMO option(even with 3G) that's more functional than the iPhone at the moment. GPU acceleration? No UI compatibility standards? Apps still aren't fully compliant with qHD displays lol. Nexus S is pentile and plastic. Sensation has a host of issues with things like dust and wifi death grips, G2x was just a mess and the list goes on. Even the upcoming Hercules doesn't use an Exynos processor and has low ppi. WP7 is pretty good though, just lacking good hardware.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
Please tell me what functionality iPhone 4 has over myTouch 4G

(lets not mention bad screen/emmc variant of myTouch, and antenna issue of the iphone)
[General Topics] Archer:
Moronic statement alert!

Edit: Actually, scratch that last statement. I could not have been more wrong! That is a VERY clever statement, since only the cleverest of trolls would be able to entice someone in so well! Kudos my friend :)
[General Topics] aohus:
its a fact that the higher the household income, the higher chances that you have formal advanced education. i don't see how that is controversial. maybe how i worded it, and with that i apologize.
[General Topics] AllGamer:
definitely how it was worded :)

but it's true statistically proven, it's always on the news

every time the government tries to cut back on education, that's the first thing you will see publicized, all the statistic about the money to education ratio and why every one should be equal on education, and the government is not allowed to cut back, but as usual they cut funding to school regardless, thus... why we see the in real life the difference between people behaviour and mentality on both side of the spectrum.
[General Topics] Archer:
Maybe I was a bit harsh in my response, and for that I too apologise. I came from a relatively poor background. We always had a house and food on the table, but in UK levels we were certainly poor for the majority of my youth.

However, I consider myself well educated and intelligent. I guess I should always remember that there is no black and white, and there are always exceptions to rules.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
horrid battery life, poor app quality, fragmentation, no hardware acceleration... I could move on to hardware issues but The issues with android as a whole.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
Disregarding OS differences here. Internal memory, battery not even including optimization with hardware/OS(1420 vs 1400), TFT LCD vs IPS, oleophobic screen as well as having the screen glued to the digitizer like super AMOLED for better daylight visibility, better sound quality(check head-fi.org.).
[General Topics] AntonJart:
@ aFo3262, z33dev33l:

You both probably used low-end android phones, or not even used them at all.

Battery: I get 8+ hours on my Glacier with moderate to extremely high usage, and after 8 hours I still have 23-27% left. I'm talking about streaming movies, reading articles online, and playing games.

Today after moderate usage of 8 hours at work I still have 47% left now. iPhone cannot survive that long.

My bro has to carry charging cable, because his iPhone dies while streaming netflix within 4-6 hours. And its on WiFi.

Properly set android phone, ROOTED, with properly set CPU profiles, will last long. That is why all those tweaking processes are not for the noobs, but people who really enjoy digging in their devices.

Heck, my HD2 on not native OS was lasting me 4-5 hours of movie streaming, on the 1200 mAh battery!

Accelerated UI: Why would you want a gpu-accelerated UI? So you can switch app screens fast enough, because you cannot wait due to diarrhea? NOTE: This is not insult, that is exactly what I said to my iPhone using friend, who said his iPhone is better because he can sweep through app screens faster, and mine is slow! I enjoy Andorid's UI speed, and I have more hardware left for another tasks.
[General Topics] zerocool79346:
Oh look another troll thread by x33 in General. What a surp....no no its not.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
my moms on her 4th glacier/mytouch 4g and each of them have lasted 2-3 hours with heavy usage. Just texting here and there at work from 9 to 5 she's still hunting for a charger when she gets to her house. This is with cm7 and under locked of course with a good task killer. It was even worse beforehand. As for your gpu accelerated UI statement you sound like one of the ios fanboys who when presented with a great feature they didn't have wrote it off as unimportant. Why you brought fecal matter into it is between you and your elementary school psychiatrist.

As for android devices I actually still own though unless I'm developing they sit in the junk drawer, dell venue, mytouch 3g, 4g, and 4g slide. HTC inspire, Motorola transformer, sgs2, vibrant 4g, nexus S, and a dell streak. None of them have come out of the drawer for daily use since I picked up my first wp7
[General Topics] AntonJart:
read the bold text please. Properly Set phone. And task killers only disrupt Android's work. If your lasts 2-3 hours, than I don't know what you did to it. I run Royal Ginger, with set CPU profiles and Demon Speed Kernel.

About GPU accelerated UI, tell me please, does Stock android really needs GPU acceleration in its UI? It is a feature, but it is not crucial.

Regarding PHONES, many phone manufacturers indeed make ridiculous phones, with dozens of bugs. But I believe they would evolve eventually. I kind of feel sorry about Nexus being made by samsung. Google should really step in and make phone of all phones.
[General Topics] bleach168:
Who told you to use a task killing app?
[General Topics] richteralan:
okok we get it.

can u give me your nexus S for free? since they are in your junk drawer anyway?
[General Topics] AntonJart:
I personally believe that Nexus lineup is degrading really bad
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Even though they were sent to me for free I prefer to get cash or a windows phone for my junk devices. I only need one for dev purposes anyway.

Bleach168, it's not automatic, it's one she manages herself.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
doesnt matter, task killers are useless on Android OS.
[General Topics] richteralan:
yes we all get it.

but I was asking is can u send me some of your junk to me.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
phone is as properly set as they come, those battery life claims are still comical. Does a phone NEED to do anything but make calls and text? No, everything else is a feature. GPU acceleration is just a big one. Stock android does need it, but I guess it's one of those things you remain blind to until you experience better. Once it is seen it can't be unseen.

As far as android itself goes, Samsung are the only ones making anything quality for them software-wise and that's because they've added gpu acceleration across most of the phone. That makes the gs2 the closest there is to a usable android phone and it functions that way out of the box. Out of the box it functions better than any modded android phone.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
oh yeah, I suppose I could just depend on android's force closes. The OS is slow enough as is, I don't need it bogged down by too much crap.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
You simply doing something super duper wrong. Android turns the process when it does not need it, if your Task Killer says that APP is running - it doesn't really mean that. There was a massive article about how linux works. I don't get how can you get 2-3 hours life out of Glacier, when I do get over 8 hours. As the matter of fact, I will get you the log of Current Widget of my typical 8 hour work day next time.
[General Topics] :
What's with you and your obsession with "gpu acceleration"?
[General Topics] richteralan:
because that's something Android lacks right now and they can brag on it.

Once Android get it they will find some other thing to get "obsessed".

I've seen these fanboys too often.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
That's the case with any features in any OS. I'm no fanboy, I simply pick the OS that best suits my needs. I don't care who makes it. Unfortunately once you have a hardware accelerated UI it's near impossible to go back without going crazy.
[General Topics] jj03:
@op,

Whilst your on your high horse, try not to attack people for their spelling. I could pick a few holes in what you have written, but i won't. As i'm an adult and above that.
[General Topics] Nerz:
I love how this thread has gone from being other ones are like sheep to being a sheep yourself. What is with every thread/post primarily bashing android and hailing your phone as all powerful and supreme. Do you think you are going to sway android users to wp7 so it will actually be in competition to ios and android. Yes I understand that after you spent good money on a phone you start to get a fondness for it. Whether it is just you subconsciously trying to justify buying it or it is true that you like your shiny new hardware. Either way we get it, you like wp7. Maybe your upset that android has become dominant in a forum that was once before a windows mobile hangout. I was one of the few that loved windows mobile and it took me a while to go from my fuze to my captivate. But after hearing some things about wp7, (at the time, no cut/paste or sideloading) I found that android was for me. Once I found the customization that came from it, you can't pry it from my cold dead hands. See? There is that fondness for my os of choice. But do practically all of post/threads consist of that? You seem at least fairly intelligent, (most ppl that tinker like we xda members do have to at least have some if they have a slight grasps as to what the wonderful modifications do and how) why not show some maturity such as not posting a thread and turning exactly into what the topic portrayed. Of course this will invoke a response of "I at not a fanboy of any os, just to whatever one fits my need at the time", and sure, enjoy your wp7 phone and I'm glad it fits your needs. And though I have a fondness my device, I'm no sheep.

*Warning, typed from a phone and I doubt I'll go back and read to change :-P
[General Topics] CallMeVentus:
I'm a kid , but I'm no fanboy .

All OSes are good enough for an average idiot consumer (as in most of the don't-know-anything teenagers) .

But for the above-average people and developers , they need more than just what phones currently have right now .

Let's say , Android . No GPU Acceleration .

Battery life is poor on some phones and for those who don't manage their battery effectively .

What about iOS ? No freedom of making homebrew apps and the need of jailbreaking to get certain things like custom themes (through Cydia , Winterboard and Installous) .

I don't know the full pros and cons , I'm still learning....one step at a time .

Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Please do point to me where I acted sheepish? I'm at a loss. I accept my phone's shortcomings.
[General Topics] Nerz:
Have fun man. In the end, I will still love my android. For that I must be a sheep. <insert sheep sound here>
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Not at all, it's the blind defending and the blind following that makes people sheepish. Has nothing to do with enjoying your device.
[General Topics] CallMeVentus:
So , make me a two-faced sheep .

I am a blind defender of Android and a blind follower of Windows Phone 7 .

Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Why do you consider yourself to be blindly doing so?
[General Topics] CallMeVentus:
I love Android so much that I am almost a fanboy of it .

But , I seem to prefer the features of WP7 to Android .

Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
[General Topics] vnvman:
100% bull. Does your mom use maximum voltage oc/ov and play N.O.V.A. 2 all the time while downloading porn under 4g network and playing music in the background? At work? No offence but i guess she should be fired. There is no way to drain a battery that fast, not even if you are an humongous nerd like i am. My 2 cents heh...
[General Topics] Hakimy:
to the OP who talks about battery life and made a thread to say how great the battery life is in Mango,maybe you should read what gizmodo said about the battery life.

"Battery life seems notably worse than the previous version of Windows Phone-where I used to get a full day, I'm getting 2/3 of a day, max. And there's definitely some more stuttering and crashing, which I never really saw on the original Windows Phone."
[General Topics] slapshot30:
Hahaha WIN! :P

On the other hand, zeedevel you might want to learn a bit more about what you so heavily critisize. Task killers only make battery life worse. I find it halarious that in your post you said your mother had a "good task killer" and then you went on to say that it wasnt automatic and she did it manually. What exactly is a "good" task killer though? Youre just trying to make your story more convincing by saying she uses the best of the best task killers! And it isnt even automatic...?

^(breakfast for the troll)

Sent from my Samsung Infuse
[General Topics] CallMeVentus:
TaskXP improved my battery life for about 80mins more .

Forever living in my Galaxy Ace using XDA App
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
yeah, I'm sure a task killer cuts down to 1/3 of what he's having or worse. Then there's the fact that every review regarding battery life on the mytouch 4g mentions how unbelievably dismal it is.
[General Topics] AntonJart:
That is only if myTouch users have both hands left. As I said earlier, I get 8+ hours of moderate to high usage on my phone, and when going home I still have at least 25% left.
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
No idea what you meant there.
[General Topics] ph00ny:
You're right on many points here. However, it seems worse from non-ios device fans here because this a forum that specializes in everything but iOS devices. Have you seen some of the apple device forums? They're just as bad as people bashing on apple devices here.

I have no problem with people expressing their favoritism on the devices/OS they support but when someone continues to post borderline troll baits and not able to have a healthy conversation, it gets annoying.
[General Topics] muerteman:
This thread should die like the rest of ops threads.good idea turned into troll fest. Let it die.
[General Topics] aFo3262:
LOL I'm sorry but have you read the ICS thread here? Literally every few posts someone asks about GPU acceleration. It's a giant knocking point on Android that even enthusiasts are aware of. Look at the Galaxy S2. It's drawing so much attention because of the hardware acc. Even BBOS beat Android to it, not to mention WP7, iOS. Heck, even Meego did as well
[General Topics] xaccers:
How many of them actually understand what it is though?

So many times I've seen people asking about things, or repeating statements about devices without understanding a thing they're saying.
[General Topics] Usualsuspect182:
From my personal experience I have to say that Apple still has the biggest herd...

I work technical support for a cable company, and every time I get someone who has an apple product on the phone they make sure to make me aware of it. I guess the subtle hints aren't good enough.

The only problem here is that Android is more common, it's on just about every smartphone minus the Iphone of course, but that goes to show that a good product doesn't have to be locked down. I think the biggest thing with Android users is that they feel that a free OS that can be put on just about everything far surpasses a locked down environment that can only be put onto a limited selection of hardware.

In my honest opinion, most people will settle for what works while those who want to push the boundaries won't settle for the same thing, hence why ROM's are being developed. A lot of the people (who i've talked to) will settle for "what works" rather than experiment and try to push the hardware in their phones/tables/pc's to new extremes just for the sake of doing so.

Just my .02