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[General Questions and Answers] Usualsuspect182:
In all honesty this is like a PC versus Mac comparison. The Galaxy S II is going to be a remarkable phone specs wise, and going by the benchies I've seen the software is great to boot, but Apple is good at appealing to what some people want. An easy UI, while locked down, providing a great experience, but nonetheless I'm far from being an apple fan, with their locked down environment, you wonder why it's called jailbreaking when you root your phone? The fact of the matter is (to me), people are going to flock to the Iphone 5 because of the marketing hype, those in the know will grab the Galaxy SII because they know what's up.
[General Questions and Answers] Matriak31:
im gonna have to agree to disagree. the galaxy s2 does have some great games as well made by non other Gameloft. asphalt 6 is great looking on the s2, you got games from EA like Need for Speed and many more...For the person who said you can tweak the galaxy s2 more than the iphone you are completely and utterly wrong. for me when i had my iphone 4 i tweaked it up so much it looked like a car out of pimp my ride once i finished with it..in cydia there are so many hundreds of tweaks and stuff that you can do is unbelieavable....also there is an application called dreamboard were you can change so many themes..go on youtube to check it out...

all in all though its down to you little buddy what you want to choose.. i have the galaxy s2 and im very happy...does what i need and my next phone will probably be the s3 if it comes out or shall i say when it comes out....but if you want quality games or shall i say more games then the iphone is the one for you...but true wait tilll they announce it and see what its like
[General Questions and Answers] Usualsuspect182:
The problem with the whole "Games" thing is that Apple was first to the punch, and they release a static platform, while me personally I dislike anything apple, the fact is that most companies that produce games go for what works, and sadly iOS is the first in line they develop for, stats wise though if they released games for the Android platform things would be much different, but I guess most people have an Apple on the brain so a lot of the good stuff we see for the iOS won't hit Android. :(
[General Questions and Answers] Matriak31:
true true...but if you look we do have some amazing games for the android though...just because iOS gets first dips doesnt mean we dont have any good ones..and if you read you will see in the next few months dev will be working hard on bringing some exclusives games to android first:) but anyway if someone wants to buy a phone purely for games they might as well buy a console...;)
[General Questions and Answers] investmenttechnology:
no offence but, I am kind of disappointed by this thread because it seems to me people here have gaming as their number 1 priority.
[General Questions and Answers] iPwn_:
Dude he's 13. When I was 13 I played games all day on my iPod touch.
[General Questions and Answers] Jordanstar:
I am with Android all the way unless the Iphone comes out with dual GSM CDMA support built in then i am Iphone due to the fact that i like to travel with my phone and give my old phones to relatives over seas.
[General Questions and Answers] ka'cipeder:
iPhone is better for you if you like games, simplicity and if you are happy with stock features . Android in general is better for modding and upgrading etc. Jailbreak is limited.
[General Questions and Answers] IamIrene:
just go for iphone

won't regret :D
[General Questions and Answers] Killbynature:
The only thing you can't do with jailbroken iPhone is change kernels,and cpu speed so saying it's limited is really wrong. Jail broken iPhone has lots of possibilities since the apps they have are way more polished than android apps. Idk why would you change cpu speed and kernels anyway they run flawlessly.
[General Questions and Answers] MartyLK:
I finally had a chance to play with the SGS2 this morning. Although a very nice phone, I saw nothing better than the Infuse 4G. Everything the SGS2 has the Infuse has or will have except the dual core CPU and NFC. The Infuse display is not only the same as the SGS2, but is also larger. The styles are almost the same, except the Infuse uses an unbroken black-chrome bezel from front to back. The SGS2 uses a partial black-chrome surround around the front.

As for Gingerbread, the Infuse will eventually have that.

My suggestion would be to wait for the iPhone 5 and see how it fares.
[General Questions and Answers] tymsam:
iphone it is!!
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
Well for sgs 2 I do change my cpu speed. However not for overclocking, but for underclocking. The thing is that on 800mhz, it still runs like it is on 1.2ghz and can handle anything currently available, so why not just save my phone the waste of using my up battery on something unneeded.
[General Questions and Answers] Sully6789:
Or...wait for the Nexus Prime. Not only will it decimate iPhone 5 AND the SII specwise, it'll be loaded with ICS. iPhone is seeing the end of it's days and Apple knows it. Thats why all the "groundbreaking" and "game changing" features they're introducing with iOS 5, are features that already are, and have been available on Android since 1.0. They're blatantly copying Android to keep the iPhone relevant. And even if you do go with the SII, it will probably be seeing an ICS update not long after the Prime is released, so you're SII will have just become better(again) than the just released iPhone. Simple decision I think...
[General Questions and Answers] Andy2.2:
At the end of the day, Samsung will always be miles ahead of Apple when it comes to hardware, with things like screen quality and processing power; and this is because Samsung is competing against other manufacturers such as HTC and Motorola, because android users can choose more than one handset (thank God.)

However Apple doesn't really need to compete, its got a following of...I'm not sure tbh, but its enough to make them the richest company in America.

I'm far from a fan of Apple, but I doubt they're too bothered when it comes to who releases the better handset; considering the fanboy following they have. :D
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
Well spec wise, i think the Iphone 5 will come out on top with it's sgx 543mp2 GPU. if it performs practically more than 100% better than the Mali on the sgs2 when running a 720p gaming benchmark test, well that's just a huge facepalm right there.

And as said if you want gaming, the iPhone 5 is your bet for now. The iOs platform holds the gaming spotlight right now and will prolly till say the next yr or 8 months till it will share the spotlight with android.
[General Questions and Answers] wendellc:
Of course the iPhone 5 is better than sgs2, sgs2 has been out for months now and is old news. I would wait for iPhone 5 to come out along with Nexus prime. I myself would never get an iPhone again but probably will try a wp7 though. The thing with iPhone is that they make good damn sexy hardware but ios is just too boring for my tastes. As far as gaming goes, nothing beats a console or PC.

People always talk about how polished its IOS UI is, it's nothing but a freaking app drawer. Sure IOS 5 will bring something new to the table but its things ive already enjoyed on Android. I was laughing when they revealed ios 5 and all the hype they were giving it. Wp7 is alot sexier and polished to me. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder....I like android for its customization, no phone is the same, lots of cooked roms and tweaked to my liking...it is my phone, right?

6 months from now, my next phone will better the nexus prime and iPhone 5 but you will still have an iPhone 5.
[General Questions and Answers] falcons2:
Galaxy s 2 period.
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
Six months from now the likes of the sgs 3 and Kal-El will emerge so obviously your next phone in sixth months will be better. >.> The point is what is good now, not the next, since if you are always waiting, you'll never get the prize.
[General Questions and Answers] MartyLK:
The thing with a WM7 phone is it doesn't use widgets. It is smooth because of that. The CPU isn't dealing with, nor the system allotting memory for, the function of widgets. If anyone with an Android wants to test this to see what I mean, remove all widgets from all homescreens, then reboot your phone to clear the cache and memory. Your Android will be as polished and smooth as WM7.
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
But doesn't it use "Live Tiles", which in some aspects are similar to widgets? One could say however it certainly does not demand as much resources as a wdget though.
[General Questions and Answers] hungry81:
Apple dont make hardware. The phone is a samsung-LG hybrid assembled in China by a seperate contracted company. Apple make ios and itunes and some other software. That is all.
[General Questions and Answers] MartyLK:
That's the thing, the WM7 live tiles are no different from any ordinary icon that shows a notification. The motion aspect is much less demanding than an actual widget.
[General Questions and Answers] Illicit Hero:
They design it.
[General Questions and Answers] ph00ny:
haha this is not even remotely close to being true. Everything but the screen is inferior to SGS2 (edit: battery is bigger on the infuse but the larger screen might be negating the benefit)

Dual Core A9 vs Single Core A8

Quad Core GPU vs Single Core GPU

1GB of RAM vs 512MBs of RAM

NFC vs no NFC

Looks like pretty much all core specs are better

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if gaming is the highest priority, i would suggest checking out xperia play
[General Questions and Answers] bitslave:
I didn't know that.
[General Questions and Answers] ph00ny:
They design the casing and software but the parts are ordered from parts bins from various companies.
[General Questions and Answers] bitslave:
Sorry, yes I thought they manufactured in house.
[General Questions and Answers] ph00ny:
Parts are provided by various companies including samsung (SoC, NAND, RAM), LG (IPS LCD), Qualcomm (3G Chip), and now sony (Camera Sensor). It is assembled in various factories in China
[General Questions and Answers] bitslave:
Ok, so some of their suppliers are also their competitors as they sell their own branded phones e.g. Samsung, Sony.
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
Yes that is correct. for example Samsung manufactures their A4 and A5 chips.
[General Questions and Answers] ph00ny:
Sony is samsung's biggest customer for .... LCD panels and few other items
[General Questions and Answers] bitslave:
Ok, thanks.
[General Questions and Answers] DPMAce:
troll post: just wait a couple of months after the iphone 5 is released, and these phones will be better :p
[General Questions and Answers] wendellc:
Right, what I meant is the way their products look and not internals. Sleek, simple and sexy. They design good looking products.
[General Questions and Answers] wendellc:
I am not referring to how smooth it is but rather its uniformity. It looks good.
[General Questions and Answers] krale:
Actually, the design of the hardware, and very often the manufacturing process itself is designed by Apple, for some of the cutting edge technology.

Even Samsung and LG do not manufacture all of their hardware - anywhere from 25-50% of their phones is made by other manufacturers.
[General Questions and Answers] z33dev33l:
constantly proving how stupid you are. I love how when you reverted back to a fandroid you started referring to it as wm7 again. No, android, regardless of how minimal, will not be as smooth as wp7. I know this because I never saw the need for widgets or any of that crap, while my roms and such were frequently updated my homescreen was 1 homescreen with just the 4 apps that are initially there. Android is not smooth, it's just not. Android is only good for customization and google maps. There aren't any other redeeming qualities as everything is lower quality on android as opposed to wp7 and iOS.
[General Questions and Answers] TimeWasterNL:
According to Apple, there isn't too much difference :p
[General Questions and Answers] MisfitX:
Lol
[General Questions and Answers] hungry81:
Evidence please. As far as I know the only part designed by apple was the case. I think I read somewhere they also requested the cpu be customised by a third party. Apple has no part in the manufacture of the components, and no physical role in the assembly of the device which is also contracted out

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[General Questions and Answers] vnvman:
Have you tried cm on a SGS2? Load it with Launcher Pro, and all the widgets you want, it will never lag, not even a bit. Ofc the Browser isn't accelerated on AOSP, but if you use Opera you can still have a buttery smooth browser experience, with flash and all that jazz that even Mango lacks. Also, this phone can remain smooth even underclocked @800 mhz, no matter how hard you stress it. I was myself really skeptical about living without hw acceleration after i spent a year and more of lag/choppyness on my old Desire, but now i realized that with the hardware we have now, Launcher Pro and Opera, lag will never bother us again.

A year ago or so WP7 had actually a great advantage over android because of hw acceleration, now this feature has become fairly irrilevant in real life. Now WP7 has a single advantage over android: optimization, and the price you have to pay for that is limited hardware choice, poor app choice, low specs and a locked down ecosystem. Ofc now you'll tell me that WP7 has that nice "just works" feature right out of the box: cool, regular/casual users will fancy that, but i'm a power user and also a geek so i give less than a rat's arse, because i'd be *****ing with my phone all day anyway. What also drives me nuts about WP7 is the fact that all of the phones have poor storage (for my kind of usage at least) which you can't even improve with a sdcard. Also, i'll never buy a phone that forces me to use some stupid software to throw my files on it from a pc, no matter what, and NO i don't wanna hack the registry just in order to do such a basic thing: this is more than a complete show stopper to me, it's a matter of principle.
[General Questions and Answers] MartyLK:
That's okay. You constantly show how much of a child and immature you are. You're anti-social and filled with hate. You get what you deserve. This will be the last reply you'll ever see from me. And this reply from you will be the last ill ever burden myself to read from you.

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[General Questions and Answers] krale:
I'll just give two examples.

The manufacturing process of the unibody aluminum Macbooks (pro/air) was entirely designed by Apple. You can even find a youtube clip from Jonathan Ive explaining the trouble they went through in designing the manufacturing fixtures.

Second example is the court case in Australia, where Apple is suing Samsung for a patent on a manufacturing process for producing the touch panels for the iPad. This same process which was given to Samsung for mass production purposes of the iPad, later "showed up" as the manufacturing process for the Galaxy Tab series.

The CPU's are likewise Apple designed - and even many of the minor things, like flat cables, etc., are all designed in Apple, and then the blueprints given to Chinese companies to mass produce them.
[General Questions and Answers] Cape Lucid:
It really depends what you use your phone for.

For daily use I recently switched from iPhone 4 to Desire Z and I like it better. I use my phone A LOT but mostly writing stuff. No matter what cpu they put in ther it won't make a difference to me as long as there is a physical keyboard. Yes iOS is smooth as newborns butt (mostly though as iOS 5 gave me a few hickups lately on a daily basis) but as a developer I can honestly tell you iOS 5 has nothing that android already does (unless they store something for the end). Glass body is a pain. You really have to be carefull with that. Games run nice and that's no brainer and yes there's a lot quality ones.

Most importantly just answer yourself what will you do most and by a phone by that criteria. It's just a phone anyway :)
[General Questions and Answers] ph00ny:
So how is your casing information not what everyone said already?

As for the screen? PLS screen is same as IPS? Jesus christ. You really like to make **** up as you go. There is not a single fact to anything you say in this forum

Since the court documents are available to the public. Show me this so called patent on manufacturing process in which samsung is taken to court for.
[General Questions and Answers] Snow_fox:
They see me trollin'.

They hatin'.

Anyway to everyone else.

Look guys, iOS is a bit of a deal breaker to me because it is a really really "cut and dry" and extremely boring os.

On the other hand, if the kid wants to play games, and that takes priority... Then we may as well suggest whatever suits his needs as long as he can handle the stipulations of ios, then hey if it has better gaming support go for it. I haven't really seen anything that I felt like getting on my moms iphone that wasn't available on my phone(captivate).. But, I am not really a "phone gamer". I can only suggest getting a psp or nintendo ds if gaming is really that important. (I consider myself a "real" gamer when I want to play "real games" phones just don't cut it.. Gotta have hard buttons, and standards.. Angry birds is a fun little game to take up time.. but, I don't seriously consider that "gaming" as much as filling up time while I'm out and about)

As far as Apple vs. Any other computer.

Look, I've put together over 4 computers.. Apple isn't some magical and mystical brand. They use freaken toshiba hard drives, generic ram, and intel chips.

End of story. I am not saying every brand is the same.. You do find variations in quality.. However apples quality is largely perceived more than anything else.

If you don't believe me, go to overclock.net and start researching what parts to use in a good build.
[General Questions and Answers] tjtj4444:
comparing number of cores between different GPU architectures is completely useless, it is not even close to comparing number of cores on a CPU.
[General Questions and Answers] Kailkti:
There aren't any redeeming qualities except flash player, the wide selection of apps, the ability to video talk, the open source (the best of them all), the ability to rent movies and books, the diversity, the amount of dev support and the beauty of the UI's.

$1 gets you a reply
[General Questions and Answers] scyld:
Haha... well, some of us do care about what games are available on our phones, as our gaming philosophy is more... err, I mean we don't value gaming enough to have a gaming philosophy.

I visit my parents every so often (especially now that my cat resides with them :p), and I've used my mother's iPad extensively. The selection of games is definitely better to some degree at least. If only I could get a Solomon's Boneyard on Android... (But then there are the Xperia line of phones, which we aren't discussing here. You also have emulators on Android, if you care about old school games.)

That aside, of course I personally prefer the Android platform. Of course I recommend the SGII, and of course Android does have a decent game selection.

However, I would submit that unsurpsingly people are exaggerating how poor the iPhone is. Somehow, I think people will survive without a rooted phone in their pocket, without widgets, without local file access. (I honestly don't know how a jailbroken iPhone compares to a rooted Android phone, in terms of functionality.) I mean, god... I remember when my phone could only be used to call, text, and play a very tiny selection of games as like 10 fps . For all its controversy, and including I admit the dubious philosophy of Steve Jobs, the iPhone is a fun, very functional device, and even if you choose it over the SGII, I think you can still keep your computer "poweruser" credentials, because geez it's ultimately just a freakin' phone.
[General Questions and Answers] Ambusher:
I personally got the SGS2, i moved away from iOS, i am a bit older than the tread starter but I also do like to play games.

Personally my view on games is that, if i want to waste time on video games and enjoy them, i would do it on my PS3 on my nice sony bravia TV, not a small 4.3 inch or 3.5/4 inch screen. Plus after school we all go home anyways =P, not like playing fruit ninja in class is a good, i know when to have fun and when to focus.

that was one of my deciding factor for my SGS2, i didnt root mine yet since i got it recently, (plus EVERYONE in my school has an iphone -__- ) i love my SGS2, very happy with it, i can play small android games from th market once in a while, but the texting, phone, internet feature on this phone is MIND BLOWING! even if u have wifi only its AMAZING! the screen is SUPER! thats wat i wanted the best screen on the market, fastest processor (at that time), wonderful camera, and thinness.

I suggest if u got any console or a good computer, to spend your hard earned cash on games for those for your gaming needs, buy a small gaming app for the commute, but get other more useful apps from the droid market. I find the droid market has a better community but that me =P
[General Questions and Answers] Spookidoodles:
I see everyone has already weighed up the pros and cons of each already, and proved that everyone is in fact biased - I don't suppose you play Xbox Live? If you do, it might be worth trying out a Windows Phone 7 as the Samsung GSII equivilant will hopefully be coming out soon, thats got the best of both words ;) I don't feel the need to stress reasons why, but seriously your best bet is going into a store and asking to demo an iPhone 5, Galaxy SII, and a WP7 - I went from Android to iOS to WP7 and I would never go back now that Mango is out. Just see which one feels the best to you personally - I had trouble when I was a kid trying to get stores to demo phones as they only really care if they are going to get a sale. It might be an idea to get a parent to go with you and do the talking so they actually take you seriously - I know its ageism, but unfortunately it does happen.
[General Questions and Answers] tjtj4444:
I'm not really sure what you mean, but to clarify:

cores in a GPU is a more or less arbitrary clustering of calculation units dependning of the architecure (GPU's are very parallell execution units). So a "single-core GPU" could easily have 100 times more calculation units (and hundred times more performance) than a "quad core GPU".

This is very different from a CPU where a CPU-core is pretty well defined, it is a unit that that can execute a single thread.
[General Questions and Answers] -Grift-:
A non rooted android is already more customizable then a jail broken iPhone. Normally you would stick to Android longer cus after u get bored of stock stuff you can root it and run custom roms (value for money:)) you can also under clock CPU to get the last bit of juice to last you longer. But I will also change to iOS if one day the pros are over at the other camp. As for games, they are coming over slowly so for me I will stick with driod for now. And I'm 14;)