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[Xoom General] Audionut11:
You're going to a lot of effort to point out that the battery saving percentage as observed by the op is not scientifically accurate.

Here is the point that matters.

Both tests were run under the same conditions.

If we take your non linear discharge reading into account, it would suggest that the battery saving is even greater then what it would appear to be.

Ideally, yes, a better test would be from full charge to full dis-charge. But honestly, all you're doing is making a **** out of yourself. If you have such a hard on about the results being invalid, there is nothing stoping you from running the tests yourself.

I'm fairly sure that the OP would have been more then willing to post your results in the first post or at least link to it. But I guess it's easier to troll then help in a meaningful way.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Both tests were run under the same conditions.

The tests emphasizes the CPU only. The claim made (X% battery use decrease) encompasses the whole device, not just the CPU, because that's what battery life means. Since the test isn't of the whole device, then the claim is nonsense, which is born out by the ludicrous numbers presented.

Since you like numbers, here's an easy illustration using numbers:

Assume that the CPU uses 50% of power in the system, and 50% goes to the rest of the components. Then, a decrease in 11% of CPU power (indicated by voltage) will at best lead to 5.5% decrease in overall system power use, assuming 100% power efficiency for the change.

>But honestly, all you're doing is making a **** out of yourself.

I'm not the one calling other people ftards and dicks. Please look in a mirror.
[Xoom General] lindsaytheflint:
1. Copying and pasting diagrams and links from the web doesn't make you right about all the rest of your BS.

2. Yes, batteries discharge at different rates throughout the range. Both sets of tests started at 100%, so had the same starting point. While the rate of discharge would vary through the range, the significant difference is enough to demonstrate benefit.

3. The numbers may not be 100% accurate, but they show that there is definite gain, that cannot be ignored by a sane mind.

4. Anybody can throw out a bunch of baseless claims, without any evidence from numbers. Science is nothing without tests.

5. You keep quoting your 11% & 26% nonsense, but keep ignoring that A. Those were the results of the tests, and B. High temperature (present with stock CPU, but not present with UV CPU) may be the other factor in the high battery savings. Even the chart you provided shows this, and you even said it in your last post: "...as well as other factors like ambient temp...". Yet even when your own links and text indicates that this is a factor, you ignore it!!

Amazing.. You even ignore logic when you provide it yourself!!
[Xoom General] lindsaytheflint:
No-one has ever said otherwise. All the posts have said that any benefits would only be under CPU-intensive scenarios. The tests all specify "at this CPU load". It's all very clear to everyone but you.

Your unfounded arrogance is what is getting you these labels. Learn to be respectful of other people, and maybe you'll get the same in return.
[Xoom General] Audionut11:
The voltage adjustments are for the CPU only and as such the results are meaningful.

Your free to extrapolate the results however you see fit. Including running your own tests.

Again, it's obviously easier for you to troll then run your own tests that fit your needs.
[Xoom General] e.mote:
>Copying and pasting diagrams and links from the web doesn't make you right about all the rest of your BS.

>Your unfounded arrogance is what is getting you these labels. Learn to be respectful of other people, and maybe you'll get the same in return.

You are very free with your name-calling. Then, let me return a bit of your medicine. What I see is a bunch of self-deluded fools who get their panties all twisted in a knot when another burst their fantasy.

Instead of defending your findings rationally--which, given the load of crap you spouted, is frankly impossible--you pull out the name-calling game, yet all the while proclaiming hurt because of being "disrespected." It's only typical. I fully empathize.
[Xoom General] musashiken:
Err what? What's the point of telling me to check the internet when I don't even care. And I still don't understand what those charts mean. I have enough headache at work to look at unrelated graphs on the internet in my spare time.

And again if you are adamant that the OP is not correct in his tests, why don't you do your own tests since the OP doesn't seem to understand your logic?

This is supposed to be a tutorial thread on how to undervolt a Xoom. How did this escalate into some nerd-assed argument about battery discharging charts?

For one, I don't freaking care how much battery I save. The fact I can undervolt is enough reason for me. Unless you are telling me that undervolting actually wastes more battery. If so please kindly tell Team Tiamat or Setcpu developer to stop all this nonsense.
[Xoom General] ShonkUK:
Umm im not sure if undervolting is working properly on Rogue 2.0.2 "Kuma" Kernel for ICS

1700mhz resulted in a hard reset quite quickly at stock 1.400v

1600mhz resulted in a hard reset quite quickly at stock 1.350v

1504mhz im down to 1.00 volts and havnt had a reset yet

im stress testing it via nfs hot pursuit as that caused a prompt reset with 1600/1700, also using SetCPU stress test

is it just a case of save and apply with SetCPU isnt it

i dont have to reboot do i?
[Xoom General] omac_ranger:
Nope, you do not have to reboot. The changes are applied automatically
[Xoom General] ShonkUK:
I usually oc straight from the rom's config on my phone etc

so havnt used SetCpu in ages, I had it at min 1504 max 1504

the way it works is next speed change the voltage gets done

and not on the fly thats why it wasnt working

it seems 1.225 is good that ran a stress test for around 8 hours earlier

1.200 had a slight hiccup once and showed the boot animation

for about a second but the main os didnt reboot

like a mini crash

im trying 1.200 again now just to confirm it

1.175 caused a reset
[Xoom General] jimgeroul:
Hi, i would like to undervolt my xoom but i dont know if i'm doing it the right way.

I use setCPU and i have set min max to 1000MHz. I go to Voltages and aply -200mV (900mV). When i run the Stress Test -for about 4-5 minutes- nothing happens, everything OK. is this possible? Are my changes applied?
[Xoom General] jimgeroul:
I am running very low voltage settings for about 2 days now and my xoom is stable.

Cpu min 316 and max 1200.

Suggestion anybody?
[Xoom General] kunddizzle:
still stable with 1200mhz @ 1000mv ?
[Xoom General] jimgeroul:
Yes, still stable, no problems at all! I am using my xoom every day and i'm also playing games. Nothing crashes and everything is running smooth.
[Xoom General] runhopskipjump:
Your settings have been working for me. Thanks.
[Xoom General] Striker333:
I had some instabilty at your voltages especially when playing games like Ashpalt 6 HD. However Increased them all by just 25 and all is stable now. I have it set for min 456 and maximum 1600 with on demand. No problems. I have TEAMEOS ICS running on mine.
[Xoom General] rafaelbonfim:
Im running with this settings

1704 / 1400

1600 / 1275

1504 / 1225

1408 / 1100

1200 / 1000

1000 / 975

912 / 950

816 / 875

760 / 825

608 / 770

456/ 770

312 / 770

216 / 770

I did a hard work to find it in < 760 and > 1408

Im using min 608 and max 1600.

The others values I just copied from a user here.

Thx
[Xoom General] rimad:
I bet 90% of you don't even know what this does. I saw "undervolting" term and started laughing.

Short story, you shouldn't do this. CPUs are very sensitive to voltage. It can basically burn out. The reason you are seeing better battery life is because CPU is not running at optimal levels. Those manufacturers spend millions of dollars trying to make CPUs use as little power as possible and you think you can safely surpass that by just cutting voltage. Crazy..
[Xoom General] kunddizzle:
of course its not without risk.

But again, the quality of the chips can and will vary alot because of production variations, and thats why some people will have chips that can underclock/overclock/volting almost insanely, where as other wont be able to even undervolt 1 step without rebooting.

Nvidia spends a lot of money to find THE ONE stable setting for ALL of their chips and most of us have chips that are "strong" which can be used to gain battery or speed (or even both)

Thats my guess and experince from overclocking/undervolting laptops and desktops aswell.

And the Xoom is getting old, so its not a total failure if it should die because of our modding.
[Xoom General] rafaelbonfim:
If we use this argument we can't do overclock too.
[Xoom General] rimad:
Yes, exactly. However going up in clock speed does not necesserily mean going up in voltage! Overclocking comes with the price!

ARM CPUs are very tuned when it comes to power consumption. This is why we do not have Intel/AMD cpus in our phones and tablets.
[Xoom General] rafaelbonfim:
I know and x86 CPU's are very tuned when it comes to clock, but it isnt a reason to we doesnt make overclock.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leto Atreides II:
Trying to decide which ROM to try out on my MT4G. One thing I want to make sure of is Exchange integration. Which ROMs should I cross off my list if I want to have an interface that at least integrates with Exchange as well as the stock MT4G ROM?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] febycv:
Do you want the rooted version of stock rom or any other sense rom?

I am guessing you are Permroot & S-OFF.......
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leto Atreides II:
Yes, permroot and s-off. I've been pretty happy with Sense, so was thinking of going with one of the more updated Sense based ROMs, but wanted to know what other options were. Do pretty much all of the ROMs these days have good activesync support? I've also heard other UIs don't organize contacts as well as Sense (as in the contact linking between the phone/FB/Google/etc)?

edit: The main features I want are good activesync integration for work email/calendar/contacts, good contact linking/organization, wifi calling, and ability to act as wifi hotspot.

edit2: Right now I'm still running the stock 1.17.531.2 T-Mobile ROM.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] febycv:
So the best option is to go for eViL D's Virtuous Unity 2.39.0 with Sense 3.0 based on Pyramid [Click on this link]

This satisfies all your requirements & give you an opportunity to experience HTC Sense 3.0 with internet pass through.

Go for this excellent masterpiece of the Unity Team........I assure, You won't regret.......
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saranhai:
+1 :)

Sent from the HTC Glacier Sense 3.0 using XDA premium app
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DANCCS:
Hey.... I think I was like you 3 days ago, I have gone thru Virtous Fusion, Faux, Royal Ginger, Unity, and i kind of liked sense Roms, until they get so Lagging after using them.

Right now im Using MIUI and I am AMAZED with it. It is another whole new World, hehe, and i do like it a lot. It does everything, it is fast, no freeze, BUT it has no sense. I think i can live without it for a Faster Phone, better battery life. I would recommend you to give it a try for 1 day or 2.

Here are some Screen shots
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aznprodgy:
I agree, youll probably want to go with VU as it has everything you just listed. Sense is a beast of a UI, but it is also a battery whore compared to AOSP, just to let you know :D
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leto Atreides II:
Thanks for the responses -- I think I'll try out VU for now and see how I like it. :)
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] masterkamon842:
Virtuous Unity 2.39 all the way! :) I've been hooked on that one ever since I tried it out. And if you stick with it like I did you might wanna donate to the devs for their marvelous work =3
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Leto Atreides II:
I've been using VU 2.39 now for a while and I really like it -- thanks for the suggestions. One question though -- maybe I'm just blind or not looking in the right place but I don't see where it gives access to the "company directory" like my stock rom did. Before when I was in the contacts app I could hit the menu key and select company directory and it would access the corporate phone book through the exchange connection. I don't see that there anymore. Is it located somewhere else or it's just gone in newer versions of sense?
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
Not gone, just a bit hidden. Open Contacts, start typing. If no local contact will match - you'll be left with an empty screen, on which there will be a button saying "Search company directory".
[Verizon Droid Charge] Kryptonian_Knight:
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/8498-casio-gz0ne-commando-samsung-droid-charge-gingerbread

You have to kidding they need to hurry up with our update. I hope this means its on the way soon.
[Verizon Droid Charge] KarateExplosion6:
Relax, brah. It's coming. Although Sammy and Big Red are both slow at pushing the update process, you're still going to be happier with a highly polished final product and that's exactly what we're going to get.

The leaks are flowing and I've heard we've made major leaps beyond what was even offered in the latest EP1W leak. This is awesome news.

Don't worry, the GB OTA is coming. It's a 99.999% certainty.

I'm personally more concerned with how long Sammy will take to publish source code for the ROM and kernel, than I am about the timeline for the OTA. At least I know the OTA is going to start pushing soon...
[Verizon Droid Charge] kvswim:
Yes... But who ACTUALLY has the Commando?

Sent from my Droid Charge running Infinity Beta
[Verizon Droid Charge] ¿GotJazz?:
Samsung has slow updates? Hah! Not nearly as slow as if we had HTC phones! With those, "Slow = Slightly Longer than Forever"
[Verizon Droid Charge] imnuts:
Samsung is not slow with updates, Verizon is the one holding it up as they reject nearly everything Samsung, and lately HTC too, send them.
[Verizon Droid Charge] piizzadude:
I have said that all along. Verizon is the one that hangs crap up.

May I ask why it is so unusual that a Phone that was released before the Charge got GB before the Charge?

Calm down people, you bought a FROYO phone and a damn good one, everything else is just cake
[Verizon Droid Charge] dzl:
ha, I've got the Epic, a galaxy s phone on Sprint. I can guarantee we've been waiting for GB for much longer...
[Verizon Droid Charge] blarrick:
I literally did not know that phone existed until today...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nickdroid86:
I just picked up my evo today, had it all day, updated to what I believe is the newest ota of 2.3.3. For some reason the market won't update, its still on the old version introduced back in I think 2.1. Also I want the newest beta of swype and it won't let me get it from beta.swype.com because the evo comes with it preinstalled. I believe it's 3.5 i want, thanks in advance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ndstrctbl:
IIRC ota's don't have auto update for the market. So the only way to update it is to download the latest and install it. If it tells you that it wasn't installed, you most likely need to root and uninstall the old market, replace with new market. as for swype, if your signed up for beta you can get it, just remove the old swype first(again, root would be needed)
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prinzhernan:
Hi. I'd just like to know what the difference is between factory reset using the android settings menu and hard reset using the code *2767*3855# in the dialer?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brunobanane:
The hard reset using the dialer will delete everything, any files added by yourself, from the phone and reset system settings So after that the phone and filesystem is totally clean and like stock.

The other way will just reset your system settings, apps and so on but leave your files in the filesystem.

At least that is what I experienced.
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prinzhernan:
Thanks for the explaining. I noticed if I do a hard reset it installs test samsung music into the sd card after wiping it unlike when you don't use the dialer it just deletes it.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] dinimon:
I'm deciding between two app protectors but I don't know which one is better, can someone help?

Smart App Protector(app lock+)

or

App Protector Pro [App Lock]
[T-Mobile LG G2x] phburks:
I've used app protector pro for the last couple of years and I love it. It has every feature I've needed. I've never tried the other one so I can't really offer a comparison but it looks like the other one has a free version so I'd try that one first if I were you and then if you don't like it buy the other one.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fcisco13:
Don't know what rom you use, but miui has built in app protector..
[T-Mobile LG G2x] dkb218:
I 2nd App Protector Pro/
[T-Mobile LG G2x] will748:
Is anyone ever going to port a Sense 3.0 rom for the g2x? I've been really wanting to try it lately

NOOB ALERT
[T-Mobile LG G2x] d12unk13astard:
If they did it would probaly lag pretty bad since sense is a resource whore. Still i'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to see 1 made for our devices.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bstylz911:
OMG I love sense

..
[T-Mobile LG G2x] fcisco13:
Sense doesn't make...
[T-Mobile LG G2x] squish099:
Sense would be a huge undertaking for the g2x. HTC sense runs propriety drivers and frameworks. Written to work on HTC hardware. Since the g2x and almost any HTC devices have very little in common that means writing drivers to get it to work. Although not impossible (think hd2 which shared alot of hardware with native Android/HTC phones) it's a huge undertaking and highly unlikely.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] xsteven77x:
When i had the g2 they ported sense 3.0 to it. Watching the progress of them getting it up and running, it was a HUGE undertaking. Took a huge tightly integrated team and HOURS UPON HOURS UPON HOURS X 20 to get it to work. Our dev community just isn't active enough to undertake something like that sorry :(
[T-Mobile LG G2x] FatalityBoyZahy:
The G2 was an HTC-Made device... It had a snapdragon processor as well, just like any other HTC Phone.

HTC Sense has been ported to the Galaxy S Devices before, so it IS still possible on Tegra 2 devices.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] squish099:
G2 is the HTC vision in Europe where it was released with sense, should

of made it a little easier to port the latest sense to it. As far as sense on the g2x never said it wasn't possible, just said it would be a huge undertaking.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] will748:
I would pitch in at least 10$ for someone to port sense 3.0, anyone else?
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bstylz911:
i would 5$
[T-Mobile LG G2x] gypsy214:
man i dont care to give $20+ if they make a sense 3.0 or 3.5 or LG OVERLAY on the g2x that works good stable. just so we can have another choice of flashing roms that are not stock gingerbread. most of all the roms we have are like that.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] tahahawa:
If and when I have time I would like to try. I don't care about the money, I can't receive it right now anyway. I just want sense. If you guys want LG UI I think that it wouldn't be too hard, so I'll do that first.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] gypsy214:
go ahead man were 100% pulling for you
[T-Mobile LG G2x] will748:
Ya that would be awesome, go ahead and try it
[T-Mobile LG G2x] KiNG OMaR:
Say what? The G2 and Desire Z are virtually the same exact phone and sense was ported to it quicker then you can blink! All they did was change the partitions and remove various apps so sense could fit on the G2's much smaller boot partition.

I'm not trying to imply that the devs did no work, and I for one could never have done it. But, it wasn't thaaaaaat big of a deal. Just sayin' :p

Source: Had a G2 from launch day.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] will748:
Do you think it would be possible to base the port off of ports to other Tegra phones?

NOOB ALERT
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mt3g:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZr_37WAHvQ

Nexus S can do it so can G2x with LOTS of work probably.
[T-Mobile LG G2x] gypsy214:
cool video. i know sense 3.0 is out but it would be awesome to see even this one on our g2x
[T-Mobile LG G2x] bstylz911:
ill donate to you anyways! haha.

LOOKING FORWARD!
[T-Mobile LG G2x] mstrk242:
True, but missing one important fact. Both of those phones are htc phones. HTC sense is has it's own custom framework written for htc phones. Much easier than porting it to a non htc phone. (Not saying it can't be done, but don't dismiss it so fast. )
[Venue Pro General] rodrigohv:
Hello guys,

By curiosity, i have "googled" to find a version from Aircrack (iphone) for our WP OS, but i havent had luck, probably it still is not done, does anybody know a similar program to access WiFi cracking Wep key using dictionaries or brute force, or whatever similar to Aircrack ?

Thanks 4 advice,

Regards
[Venue Pro General] smnc:
Lol, man, no body has even ported AirCrack to ANDROID yet AFAIK and it is a Linux Distro. No hope of it comming to WP7 in the foreseeable future.

Sent from Vera, my Iconia A500; All dressed up going places!
[Venue Pro General] rodrigohv:
Hi friend, yes, i know this App is a linux distro, however, this is one of the TON of utilities which make iphone cool, i hate iphone, in general all apple products, but there are some interesting apps on there, which push too many users to buy them. Jailbreak was a "success" for apple, if you see their new iOS is only based in some applications that somebody else already made, that's why i think Android is the OS of the short future...but i would love to have same possibilities in Windows, still so, its only my opinion...after all, Apple is interested to SELL phones (devices), not SOFTWARE.... their updates in software stick, there are a lot of developers which create great apps for this device, not so, apple developer staff...

A completely WP7 customizable for each customer or developer, would be a BOOOOM for anyone, i cant even load ringtones in my DELL venue Pro, do you know what frustrating it is? LOL
[Venue Pro General] lbp775:
I thought this is now possible with Mango???
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
it is, blame user error.
[Atrix 4G General] aaronv89:
hey guys,

so i found out that my touch screen is all messed up so I plan on calling motorola tomorrow and sending the phone in for repair. but before I do that i want to revert the phone back to stock as much as possible so that i don't void my warranty. how do i?

(1) re-lock the boot loader?

(2) remove root?

(3) flash stock rom?

and actually another question is that is it even necessary for me to put the phone back to stock? would they really care?

thanks in advance.
[Atrix 4G General] Alcapone263:
some people have gotten away with sending in their modded phones, but if you want to restore to completely stock flash a 2.3.4 gingerbread .sbf file with rsdlite.
[Omnia 7 General] Sherwet:
So my phone's screen suddenly stops responding to touch, flickers and the display gradually dims to a few horizontal lines.

It spontaneously starts working again, but is still dim and streaked. All the phone buttons are perfectly working however.

I've hard reset the phone, removed the battery and sim and restarted it again but neither made a difference.

This is a German phone, so Samsung US support cannot help in any way. And no, I can't call them in Germany.

You don't have to offer a magic solution, but if you at least know what the cause of the problem is I'll be extremely grateful.
[Omnia 7 General] abdelamine:
it happened to me just once & gone when i was on marketplace

i don't know why , it just gone .