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[Nook Color General] koopakid08:
No way, its just a locked down nook color. With no SD slot and no buttons.
[Nook Color General] discothan:
Its really too new to tell. I like to tinker, but without buttons and SD slot or even some sort of USB port, this Amazon Fire will be a bit more difficult to root.
[Nook Color General] colorado_al:
I use my NC for movies all the time. Netflix as well. Processor is not a problem for me. I'd wait and see what B&N rolls out next month before I made a decision on a new purchase. Also, you can get a NC refurb for $160. Bet their pricing goes down even more soon.

I think the Lenovo A1 is the best buy in a 7" tablet right now.
[Nook Color General] patruns:
Nope. Dual core processor sounds nice but I see no other benefits. No SD slot and no CM7. What would be the point?
[Nook Color General] majorpay:
The 4.3" of the A1 makes that device a non-compete in the tablet market.
[Nook Color General] arda99:
A1 uses regular TN instead of IPS...but yes, its cheap, there is a 2GB version exclusive for Chinese market for about 1000RMB(~160 USD)
[Nook Color General] bobzdar:
I'm not sure what you're referring to, the screen is 7" IPS on all 3 devices...
[Nook Color General] majorpay:
OK, I wasn't sure what you were referring to. The only A1 I was aware of was the Archos... I see what I did there... :/
[Nook Color General] bobzdar:
From geek.com:

"The 7-inch A1 will feature a 1024×600 IPS touchscreen display, a single-core 1GHz ARM Cortex A8 processor, 3MP rear and VGA front cameras, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity, GPS and accelerometer, microSD expansion, and Android 2.3. Lenovo estimates the A1′s battery to be good for about 7 hours of Wi-Fi web surfing."

As I said, only thing the Fire has going for it is dual core, but I'd rather have all of the added features of the A1.
[Nook Color General] arda99:
It's wrong. A1 is available in China already and its definitely TN.

http://translate.google.com/transla...pconline.com.cn/reviews/1109/2529283_all.html
[Nook Color General] glenairlie:
Seems like we've had one of these for a while...the 'new' Kindle Fire:

http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Color-...pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1321411382&pf_rd_i=507846
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Did they mention anywhere which OS the Fire uses?
[Nook Color General] glenairlie:
The $199 Kindle Fire is a full-color, TI OMAP 4 dual-core tablet running Android 3.1 Honeycomb that will have cloud access to movies, songs, and Android apps.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
[Nook Color General] PrinceMorganti:
Honeycomb 3.1
[Nook Color General] votinh:
Oh, I've missed that.

Thanks

Do we know if it's capable of future upgrade to 3.2 or even ICS?
[Nook Color General] br0adband:
No microSD card slot, no ePub support... no thanks, Amazon, the Nook Color still rules. ;)

And hopefully a Nook Color 2 will appear soon, in a dual core version, better battery life, etc.

I'll wait.
[Nook Color General] Dexter Douglas:
More importantly, it doesn't have a capacitive touch screen. Using infrared sensors instead screams something that could break easily and render the thing useless to me. Until I read that part, I was quite interested. Of course, you really can't judge something until you get to play with it, and I'll definitely mess around with one.
[Nook Color General] Nburnes:
That is the Kindle Touch, not the Kindle Fire.
[Nook Color General] joej:
News is the KF will be using Android 2.1...
[Nook Color General] patruns:
I have not see a single report of it using Honeycomb. Highest version I have seen was 2.2.......................
[Nook Color General] CrozB:
I play a lot of AVI files from the SD card on my Nook when I am on a flight, etc. So that is a Fire deal killer "for me". If I was always on WiFi, then the Cloud Storage + Prime would be enough.

The other thing I read that makes me say hmm is there is not multi touch? I have gotten used to using that for Zooming in and Out. If that is correct it would be hard to give that up.
[Nook Color General] Paul22000:
It's going to run "Android 3.1 Honeycomb" according to Ars: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/09/amazon-to-unveil-199-70inch-kindle-fire-tablet.ars
[Nook Color General] majorpay:
Press releases state multi-touch is included, but I agree with you on the no external storage thing.
[Nook Color General] boxcar8028:
yeah, amazon's, cloud-accelerated browser, silk. sounds pretty cool.

http://amazonsilk.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/introducing-amazon-silk/
[Nook Color General] SCrid2000:
Based on Amazon's DRM protection, I'm hazarding a guess that the Fire will not be able to run custom roms.

The fact that the tab was made by the same people who designed the ultra-secure BlackBerry Playbook makes it seem even more likely that the Fire will be a very Amazon-tied device.

While it may be a nifty tab and have some good specs, I'm gonna be sticking with old reliable.
[Nook Color General] joenathane:
On news of the Amazon Fire my Nook Color is in the trash can.
[Nook Color General] SCrid2000:
Lol, I'd be happy to pay for the shippingto my apartment if you're just going to throw it away ;)
[Nook Color General] advocate2:
Obviously joking. At least make a gift to a needy forum member.
[Nook Color General] joenathane:
Well, it put itself in the trash can, it kinda has a mind of it own and I let it make its own decisions.
[Nook Color General] SCrid2000:
I asked first ;)

:D lol
[Nook Color General] fryck:
I hear a lot of people saying that they would pre-order, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. From here it will only get better. Make it a little bigger and and front and rear cams, and you will be in business.
[Nook Color General] pokey9000:
This is why I'm sitting back and waiting for someone else to dig into this.

But if you do happen to buy one and have access to a Linux machine, I can help you see if it'll allow USB boot...
[Nook Color General] micksh:
I trust ThisIsMyNext more. It has to be 2.3, heavily customized, though.

http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/28/amazon-android-ui-kindle-fire-ux/

And no SD card slot - no buy. I want to be able to use tablet without Wi-Fi and cloud storage.
[Nook Color General] colorado_al:
agreed. I'm sticking with my NC. I bet amazon sell millions though. Regular people like the kindle and Amazon and also like a sub $200 price point. I bet the Amazon Fire outsells the rest of the tablet market this xmas.
[Nook Color General] winkydink:
I'm sticking with my NC as well. The Fire sure looks to be a market disruptor.
[Nook Color General] psychoace:
Im sure all your apps will be stored on memory. It seems like they want you to feel like if you want to delete a movie or a song you will have easy access to it in the cloud incase you want it again. Also they want to give you the ability to stream your music from the cloud and magazine and books. But if you wanted to you could still just throw on your for offline use. The only downer this tablet seems have vs the nook is lack of Google apps. no maps and gmail app makes me kind of sad. I do like the interface and the speed of this tablet but im still going to wait till we get more facts like a release date what comes on board
[Nook Color General] spdsl:
I see B&N matching the price of the Amazon Fire in the near future. :D
[Nook Color General] SCrid2000:
You can already get a refurb for $160.

Posted via my BlackBerry Bold running OSBB 9650 600v8
[Nook Color General] bobzdar:
They can't just match the price, they really need to beat it. It'll have been on the market for a year by the time the Fire comes out so they should be able to sell it for $189 and still make money, which they'll need to do to compete due to the slightly lower specs. I'd bet on it dropping to a max of $199 in conjunction with an NC2 at $289...
[Nook Color General] SCWells72:
One of the most interesting aspects of Amazon getting into this market is that it should finally catalyze the market for Android tablet apps. Obviously there are some out there, but it's nothing compared to what you find under iOS due to the sheer volume of iPads in folks' hands.

That's of HUGE benefit to those of us with Nook Colors, TouchPads (once ICS is out and Dalingrin and his crew of wizards get it going there), and general Honeycomb tablets!

The Nook in particular really reap the benefit because it's the same 7" profile, so tablet apps will be designed with that screen size as a primary consideration. Until the very recent introduction of 7" Honeycomb 3.2 tablets, tablet-oriented apps were really designed with only the 10" 1280x800 profile in mind, and those don't always scale very well to a 7" 1024x600 screen.
[Nook Color General] Grogck:
The Android version is almost certainly a 2.x variant (2.3 was what I saw mentioned the most yesterday) in order to ensure maximum app compatibility (this will be feeding off their existing App store.)

I'm just impressed/floored by the price. I was expecting maybe $250 and hoping for $199 but didn't think they'd actually do it. These things will fly off the shelves faster than they can make them. Think Wii at its initial launch. $199 is a magical price-point.

Matching the price is going to be a tough pill to swallow for many top tier manufacturers. Most of them make money off the hardware. Amazon can afford to sell the hardware at low/no margins because their ecosystem is so robust they'll make incremental money elsewhere (ebooks, audiobooks, music, videos, subscriptions, Amazon purchases, etc.) Nobody (including Apple) has an ecosystem with so many opportunities. B&N and a few others who have solid e-stores can maybe match the price, but with Amazon's brand strength and distribution I think they will be instantly vaulted into a solid #2 spot when it comes to tablets. And with that will come a lot of niceties that will likely firm up that spot (developer attention, 3rd party accessories, etc.)

I like my Nook but I've already pre-ordered one. My plan is to pass it along as Christmas gift to my mom (Amazon also just announced compatibility with library ebooks and she'd put that to good use.) But before I pass it along I want to play with it first. :)
[Nook Color General] psychoace:
Yeah b&n doesn't have an online movie, music, tv, cloud service like Amazon does. They just have books, magazines and newspapers. Amazon didn't make any big publisher news like everyone thought they would with magazines. They have a weak magazine store but it might build up now with the tablet. The fire is definitely the thing to watch.
[Nook Color General] byronczimmer:
Amazon's prices seem too good to be true, until you do some math.

First, for the Touches, they only advertise the 'with special offers' (aka advertising) models. Tack on $40 for a Kindle that doesn't act like a billboard.

Second, for the Fire, everyone seems to be overlooking the $79/year cost of Amazon Prime. That immediately brings the price of the Fire to more than the Nook Color (which has no such subscription nonsense), and that's only after one year of ownership.

For folks intending to run custom ROMs on the device (which is dubious given the lack of SD card slot and how locked down it seems at first blush), it might make sense, but for the average Mom & Pop consumer, the Nook Color seems like a better long term bet.
[Nook Color General] arda99:
For kindle touch, even if Amazon charge $99 for standard version and $139 for special offer model, many will still go for special offer one. Just think of 20% off laptop/tablet and 25% off camera...

For the fire, the prime is not mandatory...The prime gives you free 2-day shipping and unlimited video streaming, compare to netflix, the price isn't bad at all.
[Nook Color General] angomy:
I've been a Prime member for years, so that's not a factor in purchasing a Kindle Fire for me. However, since I already have a rooted NC, I see no reason to buy the current version -- until they roll out the supposedly wait-until-we-see-if-Fire-succeeds "deluxe" larger/better specs version, why bother?

Movies: I get Hulu+, Netflix, Google Movies, and even Amazon Prime/instant video (via Dolphin browser) already.

Music: I download my purchased music from Amazon as well as saving it to cloud. However, I have an iPod Nano I use for listening to music, not NC. The only time I switch to NC for music is if I'm not exercising (e.g., quiet reading when the spouse's asleep) and I usually use Pandora for that anyway or streamlined playlist that I've downloaded to uSD.

eReader: NC wins simply because I have three ereader programs: Kindle, FBReader, and B&N apps. I'm not restricted to one store and can sideload books -- huge advantage over the slotless Kindle Fire.

Apps/Games: Un-restricted Google and Amazon markets, as well as ability to sideload.

In conclusion, I think the Kindle Fire's not a good fit for anyone with any technical enthusiasm or capability --- there's no expandability, even if you can root it (there's plenty of times when you don't have wifi access, making cloud storage temporarily useless), and the price point is such that for $100 more I would hold out and buy a real android tablet has a mic/camera/expansion slots running HC or ICS.

Honestly if I didn't have an NC now I still wouldn't buy a Kindle Fire -- I'd rather wait and save an extra $100-150 and buy an Asus Transformer or one of the other Android tablets that are being marked down in price. The Kindle Fire gets a "meh" rating from me :p
[Nook Color General] koopakid08:
Wii was $250 at launch. So was the Nook. You can get a Nook $160 refurb. I really don't see what the big deal is.
[Nook Color General] arda99:
If you read slickdeals, many ppl paid like over $150 for Chinese made Android tablet so KF for $200 is definitely a great deal.

However if you have NC already no reason to upgrade at this moment -- at least wait for the hacking progress.

My question is: if you're about to get a 7" tablet in Nov will u get refurbished NC or KF?
[Nook Color General] tonyp:
Where can I get a Nook for 160$? I'm just able to see 179$ offers on Ebay!
[Nook Color General] Azamatka:
Don't worry mate the fire is going to be Chinese made as well.
[Nook Color General] Imbroglio:
If the AF was presented with a generic brand name like Fire E-reader and no indication that is was developed for sale by Amazon, do you think it would have recieved as much hype as it has? I doubt it.

This reminds me of the name brand jeans craze back in the 80s, where people were willing to spend 2-3x the price of a pair of levis just so they could flash the designer label.

The majority of the AF sales will be to people who will buy on name recognition alone. Amazon could put flashing led's on an etch-a-sketch, call it an Amazon Infinity Expression Device and these individuals would still shell out $100 to have one in their possession.
[Nook Color General] Zennmaster:
Looking at the feature list, the only thing I see that the Fire has over the NC is the CPU. No SD card is a total dealbreaker for me, and since Ars has apparently corrected their article to state that the Fire runs a "Customized version of Android" (which to me lends credence to all earlier speculation that it's 2.1 or 2.2), I'm really hard pressed to see much of a difference, never mind an advantage.

For me, the search for the next tablet continues...
[Nook Color General] joenathane:
CPU and GPU, which can amount to a lot. My guess here is that B&N is going to either be put to the sideline or even out of the game. We "hackers" who have put CM7 on our Nooks are in the minority, comparing the stock offerings, Amazon wins hands down. Movies, music, books, Amazon could very well capitalize and dominate this end of the market like Walmart has done for supermarkets.
[Nook Color General] Zennmaster:
For the most part,they already do. Last I heard the Kindle accounted for over 2/3 of the e-reader market, and B&N less than 1/4. Remember, Amazon has had the e-ink Kindles out for quite a while now, and for "the masses", they understand "I read it on my Kindle", while "My Nook" gets a lot of quizzical expressions. The only reason the Fire is anything we're even talking about is because it's running Android.

Like the Nook Color, it's not really intended to be an actual Android tablet, it's just the next logical step in Amazon's content delivery system.

As an Android guy who's put CM(X) on a whole bunch of devices, what can I say? They can sell a bajillion of 'em, and I still don't see any reason why I would want one.

As for B&N getting pushed out, I'd say it's an anomaly that they even got on the field in the first place. The NC happened to be pretty flexible, relatively easy to root, and about half the price of anything else on the market at the time. It was the right device at the right time, but it was never meant to do what we've all made it do.

We're going to be seeing a lot of exciting new tablets coming out in the next few months, and I'm not sure that the competition between two companies trying to sell ebooks is really going to be all that interesting to us Android geeks. Neither the Fire nor anything B&N might respond with is going to be much more than the e-reader/media delivery device that it will be sold as. That's fine, of course, but the geek in me kinda thinks "So what?"

I love my NC, and had a great time getting it set up, but I also truly believe it was basically a one-time thing. I truly doubt my next tablet will be a hacked and re-purposed e-reader.
[Nook Color General] eri m:
I have to agree- some of us think it's no big deal and kind of fun to put a custom rom on NC, but most people just give a blank look at the idea. They're not going to see a difference between NC and AF except for price and processor. If they notice the sd card, it'll be for the memory.
[Nook Color General] skeeterpro:
Well said!
[Nook Color General] votinh:
I don't understand why, until now, I still see some people saying "hacked" and referred CM7 as "hacked" version and us as "hackers".

Why? Why hack? Why "hack" has anything to do here?

CM7 is a beautiful piece of works by a talent group of people who spend tremendous time to build up a custom ROM based on OPEN SOURCE and distribute FREELY for everyone use.

Hack is something that ILLEGAL.

Hack is something that you do thing on the back of others and you don't want them to know.

CM7 team is a widely known development group, and CM7 is the soul of their.

We are talent enough to get it and use it FREELY, PUBLICLY.

We aren't hackers.

So stop using the word "hack" here.
[Nook Color General] Gin1212:
Relax... Also take your medicine, you know how you get without it..
[Nook Color General] dargocitfer:
That may be how the media uses the term, but it's certainly not how it was started, and there are many people who proudly call themselves "Hackers" who have never done anything illegal in their life!

The term was started at MIT in the 1960's regarding members of the Model Train club (most of whom also started playing with these new-fangled computer things they had...). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hack_(hobby)

The Jargon File, a compendium of hacker slang, defines hacker as "A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and stretching their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary."

I think we need to take back "Hacker", as other groups have "taken back" their words. :D
[Nook Color General] gallahad2000:
You're completely right! The sad part is that people are more into advertising than substance. Despite the fact that the upcoming Lenovo A1 will be more flexible and have more features than the Fire at the same price point, everyone is obsessed with Fire vs iPad. Which is great if you like locked ecosystems (which apparently Amazon/Apple do).
[Nook Color General] Zennmaster:
Sorry to be the one to tell you this, (just checked, and I see that I'm not!) but your definition of "Hacker" is not the original and correct version. Your version is 100% a creation of mass media, and came into being when people started caring that people were breaking into remote computers. When the media jumped on this, the term had been in wide use in the community for a LONG time.

The original and CORRECT definition of "Hacker" is someone who generally stays up all night working on some sort of technology project. Think of a hardware/software version of the word "Tinker" or "Tinkerer".

CM7, for example, is a classic Hacker collaboration. Here we have a bunch of end users who are unsatisfied with a project, and create tweaks and tinkers to make it work so much better. I sincerely doubt Steve Kondik would be the least bit offended if you called him a "Hacker" (I've never met Steve, so I can't say this for sure, but I get the feeling, ya know?).

The DIY movement in electronics is spawning things called "Hackerspaces" and "Hacker collectives" which are organized groups who get together just to create things that weren't there before. None of them are doing anything remotely illegal or wrong. They're building new things and making existing things do stuff the manufacturers never imagined!

This is the way it's been since two Hackers named Steve built a project they eventually called the "Apple 1", around the same time a Hacker named Paul ran across the quad at Harvard and found his Hacker buddy named Bill and told him about his great idea.

It wasn't too many years later (dating myself) that my first computer science professor used to end each session of my C course by saying "Happy Hacking".

So PLEASE step down from that particular horse! You're off base!

(Back to topic now, sorry)

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Thing is, those "other groups" didn't actually take those words BACK, as they weren't really theirs originally.

"Hacker" on the other hand, is something we made up for ourselves, and then some ignorant media folks tried to take it from us. So I don't think we ever REALLY lost it, except, of course, among the ignorant, the media, and the ignorant media... :D
[Nook Color General] boxcar8028:
i have to totally agreed with you on this. at that time i was not even sure if i even needed a tablet, let alone a e-reader. but for $200 for my nook (from craiglist) its was totally worth my time and money. and in the process of rooting, flashing cm7 and reading posts from xda i have learn a lot more about android. and now i love my little NC. i wonder to myself now how can i ever live without a tablet. and yes, my next tablet will be a real full blown tablet not a e-reader that has been hacked into a tablet. i been keeping an eye on the Galaxy Tab 8.1 :)
[Nook Color General] victle:
The NC, even called as a eReader, is already a tablet with a modified android OS at the beginning, just the same as the Kindle Fire Tablet. We bought it because it's not over priced as BN and Amazon expect to get money from content purchases, and thanks to CM and other modders we get it rooted so we can upgrade the OS and apps such as CM7 and other libraries/modules (cifs, VPN, ...).

Whatever future tablet you will buy, you will not get much freedom/functionality out of the box, you still want to root it (for android), upgrade the OS to a better/improved version, installed more tweaks .... just like when you bought an android smartphone, even if it is an iFad, you still want to jailbreak it to install more apps/mods :)
[Nook Color General] Gin1212:
Most of us were here before it had "tablet functions" and a "market".
[Nook Color General] victle:
When did you buy your NC, not to mention the above poster timing? It's already an "Android Tablet hiding behind with a thin e-reader coating" out of the box with "modified" Android 2.1 in the 1.0 firmware and get rooted just several weeks after released, then you could install whatever you want including "market".

Did you buy it because you want an ereader rather than a cheap "Tablet" with capable hardware and a beautiful IPS screen then? I was much cheaper than the Samsung Galaxy Tab with comparable hardware at that time, right?

When you buy a new Tablet/Smart phone, will you want to root it? "hack" out of it? Not to mention NC is the easiest and safest Android device to "hack" thanks to the unlocked bootloader and SD priority boot/bootable.