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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RADRaze2KX:
I've been waiting for a fix to this issue so I can upgrade from the HTC Touch Pro 2, which has always given me black screen of death, constant lockups, screen not refreshing, random reboots (stock, only programs I have installed are Opera 10 and Google Maps... might I add this is 4 different TP2 handsets in 2 years)...

I was going to get the SET4G but thankfully I'm a member here and I read before I buy... So... clarify please, is the MR being pushed out by sprint NOW?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sweets55:
Been using Strong Steve's odexed Rom and haven't had a LOS for a week not to mention the Rom is blazing. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iSkylla:
I installed the LoSt kernel, I'll let you know how it works out for me. Thanks for the help.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] spencer88:
LoSt kernal actually gives me more LOS than I ever had stock, not rooted. I only had LOS one time stock, since I rooted with different kernals (most recent being LoSt) I've had LOS 10-20 times total, with at least one instance once a day.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] alphaconf:
Can the LOS issue happen with completely stock phone?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
Yes, but the scenarios under which it happens are more limited.

Recompiled kernels do not "cause" the LOS issue. It is a problem in the stock software from Samsung. Recompiled kernels, however, can exacerbate the issue, where someone who wasn't in a situation to see LOS before starts seeing it, and someone who was seeing LOS already, sees it more often.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bobturismo:
Well, I had them replace my phone the weekend of halloween, I've not had ONE los since then.

I'm afraid to root and flash it now, the only thing I REALLY need is wifi tethering for my laptop when I'm out and about, but now that I have full access to the web on this phone, I don't use it as much so it's not a big priority.

If there is anything I can do, let me know.

phone says

Baseband

S:710.10 S.EG30

Kernel

2.6.35.7-SPH-D710.EG30-CL435734

What I have installed

Astro, Better Terminal Emu, books, dolphin, dropbox, flashlight, gmail, HDR camera+, juice defender ultimate, light flow, market, NOVA, opera quicker free, total com,

Also wanna add that today, I dialed *2 and while I was on the phone with sprint, my reception was terrible and I had ZERO bars, restarted phone and reception went to to 2-3 (my house has poor reception). I can only guess that would've been a time when it would have had LOS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
Isn't this just limited to rooted devices? I have never rooted my device and I never have had this problem. Could it be because the source for the Epic 4G Touch didn't work before and they used the Galaxy S II international version to base their "prerooted" kernel off of it?

Seriously I'm looking for answers cause I really want to root my device.

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After reading through this thread, I'm positive it is because of the rooted kernels. Zedomax and the other developers made a mistake when rooting these kernels and they have never fixed them. The kernels are not built off the Epic 4G Touch's kernel, it was a variation based off of the SGSII international.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RADRaze2KX:
You must not have read through the entire thread because it says on at least every other page that people got LOS without even rooting, some of them on the day of activation, others within a week of activation - no rooting.

I'm still waiting for an answer - did Sprint release the Maintenance Release as stated on page 35:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MrBG:
What a great morning this was! Crash on I95 stuck in traffic tring to call work to let them know I will be late and why, and my phone will not get out of the LOS bug!

It took me 3 power downs to finally get a signal. I drive the same route everyday streaming Pandora, so it is not a lack of signal issue.

So aggitated I went to my Sprint store, a Tech said it's a known issue and he could do further diags on the phone if I wanted him too, but suggested that I wait for Samsung to push out a update. I have been waiting for that **** update since September!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 22350:
if you guys are pissed about data speed and los and gps issues on this phone, sign the petition at this link:

http://www.change.org/petitions/spr...s-until-data-rates-matches-advertised-speeds#
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
That is not correct, the kernels here are built off Epic 4G Touch source code.

Yes, but the scenarios under which it happens are more limited.

Recompiled kernels do not "cause" the LOS issue. It is a problem in the stock software from Samsung. Recompiled kernels, however, can exacerbate the issue, where someone who wasn't in a situation to see LOS before starts seeing it, and someone who was seeing LOS already, sees it more often.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Whosdaman:
That's not true at all. The original Epic 4G Touch source was borked, and the developers had to modify it. I guess you weren't around when that all happened.

And your statement at the bottom proves it. Stock users never see the issue because the original kernel never had a problem. The Epic 4G Source had a problem and now all these kernels that are based off the source are causing the problem. LOS issue is a aftermarket software problem, not stock Samsung software.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
There have been several anecdotal stories on XDA of people who have NOT rooted their phones spontaneously losing their signal.

Also, there have been several stories of people who HAVE rooted that almost never have the problem.

Yes, the original ET source was bad, but that doesn't mean the original code on the phone itself was good.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] patrao_n:
damn phone. just got it and has los. off to sign the petition.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
All I can say is you have a reading comprehension issue.

Discussing this further with you will not lead to anything productive, so I'll just choose to stop responding.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] MrBG:
FYI, I had my first full LOS ( slashed O) on day two with my phone, it was completely stock think all I had done to it by that time was setup gmail, exchange and music apps. I read about the issues here and then installed the LOSkernal which I feel helps, but makes it harder to see exactly when you get a LOS. Now I am back to stock (before I went to the Sprint store to fuss :). Going to run this way for awhile.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ChristianBundy:
While this is NOT exclusively a problem with rooted phones, I never had LoS on Bubby's stock kernel - however I did get LoS a lot while I was on Zedomax/LoSt/Renegade/etc
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jfenton57:
I handle probably 40 calls a day between work and personal on mine and have never once had a LOS, no matter where in the country I am.

Seriously....NEVER.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] maderf:
Yesterday I rooted my phone for the first time. I got it a week after launch. I had never noticed a LOS, however there were times it would say I had a data connection, but data would not work until a restart. 3G speeds are pretty horrific, and 4G speeds are just ok (just a sprint thing I'm sure) After rooting with LostKernal I had a LOS within a day. I unrooted back to stock, and have not had any problems so far (about 8 hours later).
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kruejl:
Being a new ET4G owner. I can say rooting has little to do with it. I have not rooted yet, and I have had two LOS episodes. I will say, since I installed SoftLocker, it hasn't happened again. And I've noticed the lag from removing the phone from my ear to seeing the screen is gone too. No, I'm not in any way affiliated to the developer. Google my nic if you have doubts.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dmpls79:
Oh no

Oh no.. i got an epic touch on day 1 of release and had LOS a few hours later and more at random times (fully stock rom )... one week later after all the frustration I exchanged it for another epic touch... so good so far UNTIL this week when i got 3 LOS ... hope this doesnt continue!! (still stock ROM):confused:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Danton1316:
1/My LOS definitely seems to be getting less frequent on the LoStKernelExp+ 1.0.0.8... I was also sent an Airave that helped.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kruejl:
Went into roaming today at work. Usually have good service. I called Sprint and they told me to take my phone to a store for a swap or a different device. Suggested the iPhone (if my local store had any) Blah.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
Sprint is really pushing their iPhones. Not the first time I'm hearing about reps suggesting it as a replacement.

Coming from the Evo 4G, the SE4GT is a Phenomenal device.

Even with the intermittent LoS. Happens to me maybe 4x/week.

No biggie, although Samsung and Sprint should get off their as*'s and fix this problem, if it's fixable.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kruejl:
Yeah, like the iPhone doesn't have issues. I've actually owned every iPhone except for the 4S. And I will admit that back in 2007 I thought it was the shiz-nit. But it was passed a long time ago. And no, I will not be getting the 4S on Sprint. I'm keeping the ET4G. LOS and all.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
If you experience LoS, you can always root, change the kernel, and LoS will be nothing but a memory.

That's if Samsung/Sprint don't come out with a fix of their own ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mkzbdroid:
yep and samsung has a track record....

im counting on the Dev Community!!!this has the samsung fascinate debacle written all over it!!!! I might add I was one of these customers and that update still didnt fix it so I swapped out for a Dx2....come on sammy 9 months to fix a basic function of PHONE jeeze...

http://phandroid.com/2011/07/28/ed05-update-ready-for-samsung-fascinate-squashes-incoming-call-bug/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Product F(RED):
I flashed the new modem and haven't had a LOS since. However some people have still reported that it happens. And I still have horrible battery life.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Blu3Fr0g:
30 Days here in Sunny California. Thankfully.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] qxlooper:
Would be nice to have a phone always work. Should get an iPhone for dropped calls.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mahanse:
reported in sprint thread.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] caaznkid:
Just got off the phone with samsung. Apparently they wanted me to send in my phone even though this is such a widespread issue. They said the only way they are going to push out a maintenance update is if lots of people call in about the issue. So if you have the LOS issue please call into samsung and let them know. The number is 1800SAMSUNG. Lets all work together to get this issue resolved.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dalmus:
Do the engineers at Samsung ever actually use these phones? How can so many phones have problems, but Samsung never encountered them during development?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phonoodles:
hmmm this happened to me a lot on my samsung moment....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] caaznkid:
Seriously right? lol anyway. I just finished up calling Sprint. Reported it to both samsung and sprint and I hope you guys do the same. If we get enough people to report the problem they'll have to take care of it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] twinkdogg:
im on the fence about rooting for this reason alone. Never got any signal lost since I got the phone on launch day. I would hate to root and this shows up. Ill blow my brains out
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dtr145r:
root and return to stock kernel.

you'll be fine.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] beejmeister:
I can confirm as well. Reported on the Sprint Forum.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fishfuzz:
Not sure if this is related, but I have noticed problems with the GPS if the phone goes without signal (such as a recent flight and road trip). Rebooting allows for an almost instant GPS lock, however. The funny thing is, the behavior is almost exactly the same on the Epic 4G during the same scenarios.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sling:
CDMA uses A-GPS.

Without data no gps will be had
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Hazeytec:
definately sprints fault and needs to be reported, so annoying
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
I did the Wimax tweaks listed in this forum and it solved most of my problems, with the exception of 4G not reconnecting by itself when it does lose signal, but the signal is rarely lost with the tweaks.

I think the title of the thread was "wimax tweaks" if you want to search for it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jirafabo:
Contacted Samsung via @SamsungSupport on twitter. Here was there reply....

@JirafaBo Sorry but network connectivity is really an issue for your service provider. Have you reached out to them? ^Sean

Nice. Blame it on Sprint. By the way, I'm in Orlando, FL. Pretty much have full coverage year round.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] neotoky:
I'm also having reception issues. Roaming messages pops up in my own home where I always had reception on my crappy palm pixi. I also don't get service whatsoever at work where again I had with my palm pixi. This is ridiculous.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Skorpion56:
YAY!!

All the responses have gotten the issue blinking on Sammy's radar. Sprint is very aware of the issue as wll. No ETA as far as a maintenance release though. Patience pays...

:D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Journeyjeans:
Serious Misinformation, LOL
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sling:
Put your device in airplane mode & get back to me ;)

But no here you go lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Journeyjeans:
Congrats! I already returned mine though. D@mn shame, I got it for $99 (Wirefly, BOA- Add It Up), but who cares if it doesn't work properly, ya know? I SO wanted to like this phone, really did, I mean, WOW..the screen. But it didn't do data when I wanted it to, and because I was scared of Samsung's slow past update responses with the Moment and Epic, I said screw it....I'm getting an iPhone.

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I'm back, and man, you gotta take the time to read. Your own article says below:

It doesn't say your phone won't work (LOL)

Sling, the GPS doesn't need a starting place to help it find itself. When a GPS is totally "lost", it is called a "cold start"....meaning it has no reference to where it is. When that happens, it can possibly take quite awhile for it to get a fix (though not at all long in my experience, maybe a minute max). The aGPS is just a jump start to tell the computer where to look for the satellites....

Basically, to get your phone to use GPS without A-GPS, go to Settings>Location and turn off "use wireless networks"

EDIT: Bye the way, a couple of apps you can use are MapDroyd and OruxMaps for that true offline feeling, lol! Now that you can download maps with Google Maps, you can probably use that too now.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
I experience the least amount of LoS with what I've tried in my Sig and ✔

These are my setCPU settings. My SE4GT runs really well, and I get very nice battery life >>

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fooz:
Just got the phone today and activated it. I can barely get any signal in my house or it drops.

My EVO always got a good signal.

I'm probably going to swap out for another phone tomorrow. :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Giltp:
I've was having LOS issues after I rooted my phone, I went back to stock now I am in the third week and it hasn't happened, also the LOS was causing the phone to overheat and draining in a half a day without usage. My sister has the same phone, never rooted it and no problems yet.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
May want to try Root with this > >

Stock EG30 Deodexed w/Root & Busybox by Crawrg

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May be for reasons other than your device.

Should give the SE4GT a little more time maybe to be sure it is the device, and not Tower issues, etc.

Maybe do a reboot with battery pull, and of course, make sure you have full battery.

Check signal strength in settings.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fooz:
It was the same this morning, however I have full bars at work now. So maybe my EVO just has a better antenna and reception is just crappy at my house.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
If you still have your Evo 4G, do a side by side.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
There's a post in that Sprint thread from this morning that says ...

I'm definitely not holding my breath, but that's tomorrow. :eek: We shall see.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
After 12 years with Sprint, if one of their Reps say something, I always know it's true lol!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
LOL! Yeah, their track record is impeccable. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
Shane (the Sprint dude) then followed up with ...

oh noes why u crush my dreamz? :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sling:
Interesting read don't forget to comment.

http://www.landofdroid.com/2011/loss-of-service-los-plaguing-sprint-samsung-s2-epic-4g-touch/
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xenokc:
I've never seen LOS (signal or service) issue until now when visiting a rural area outside Tampa. Not sure if it's same issue though.

The 3G signal is weak but voice works fine, data however often does not. Relative here has an EVO 4G phone and 3G data works fine, up to 1Mbps which is not bad for a pretty weak signal, one to maybe two bar signal here. It's been about 5 days now and the EVO is fine but ET can rarely get data even though voice is fine - with phones next to each other. Is this a different issue?

I dig the screen and performance of ET but EVO is clearly more reliable in weak signal areas for data. The odd thing is that ET voice worked better in my condo elevator at home while EVO struggled. Don't think I'll be getting a Samsung phone again unless they can fix this... and soon.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eman3316@optonline.net:
Yeah, this is totally different. You would not be able to use your phone or data until you reset it. You would also have the no signal sing in your top bar which is a circle with a line through it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fooz:
My EVO get's great signal and 3G in my house. My E4GT on the other hand picks up a signal every once in a while, but never 3G. I'm debating taking it back or switching back to my EVO until there is a fix for this issue.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xenokc:
The strange thing is that voice works fine for me. It's data that is having issues in weak areas. This implies this issue (data, not the LOS issues) is not the physical radio and can be fixed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bpditty:
Joined the "rally" and posted in the forum and sent another email to customer service just to make me feel better.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jake21:
I'm curious; if you turn off 4g completely do you still get LOS ? I.e, is LOS related to the phone switching between 3g and 4g and/or power saving of 4g ?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
Yes, you will still get LoS, if you are one of the many who are experiencing LoS. Nothing to do with 3G switching to 4G, etc.

I hardly ever use 4G, and I get LoS with 3G, although I get it infrequently, with what I have installed and checked in my Sig ;)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Marcthegeek:
Hi guys new here, just Got the Epic touch and LOS problems

I got my phone Tuesday, instantly noticed horrible battery and 3g Service. Rooted Thursday with Odin and Lost Kernel, noticed a little better signal but till this day I still get LOS, but Ive notice that once restarted the phone it gets amazing 3g for a while and then back to square one. I did the SetCpu set ups and the battery been , i would say Meh... not impressive but at least the phone dont get hot.

still thinking if i should restore and return it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dwsmith:
I am new to Sprint and and the Epic 4G Touch. However, my buddy has the same phone, service, and we can have a dichotomy of signal strength right next to each other. By this I mean, I will have no bars and he will have full bars. Is there a recommended radio or anything I can do to address this problem?

Thanks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] hyzter1a:
an update to fix the LoS is out now
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jake21:
An official sprint fix ? Does it work? Does it also improve reception in general ?

Been leaning towards switching to verizon and nexus; but maybe if this really fixs the epic touch problem I should reconsider.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fooz:
Nice details... :rolleyes:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Marcthegeek:
where's the update ?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] fooz:
I assume he was talking about this thread:

[DUMP]EK02 Update.zip - EK02 Rooted ROM, Radio, and Kernels OH MY!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Smasho:
LoS issue

I've experienced this on my Epic 4G Touch, although rarely. I also followed up on the Sprint site with a post. Thanks for creating the thread and facilitating discussion.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Tyrantt23:
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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] CVSiN:
I must have got one built on a Wednesday.. I have yet to have one LOS in over a month now..

I feel very lucky.

have not rooted or modded in any way at all yet.. due to fears that it may actually start if I do root it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] thaprinze:
I'm experiencing tons of issues with 3G, 4G & Wifi connections, where I suddenly lose connection & have to change the connection type. I haven't actually had the voice service go out on me, and I've never had to restart the phone to get things working again, but it's insanely annoying! :mad:

I honestly can't even watch any YouTube videos because even if it does work, it'll suddenly cut out & not download the rest of the video. This happens on 3G, 4G & Wifi connections. I also have tons of Wifi issues. When I get home, I turn on wifi, but if I don't use if for say 20+ minutes, even thought it still shows that I have a strong connection, it won't actually connect online until I turn the Wifi off & on again.

Is this the LOS service that everyone is talking about? Most of what I've read about the LOS issues seemed to suggest that you'd have to restart the phone to get any service. Also, my phone is completely stock.

PS: When I'm browsing stuff online over 4G or Wifi, then I try to watch a youtube video & it never loads. Then I'll go back to the browser & everything is lightning fast, and when I go back to youtube, it still never loads. Anyone else run into this issue?

I miss my Evo... :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1lazysheep:
i emailed spring just to see what kind of reply i'd get:

"We apologize for the issue with the device you are having. With the device being past the 14 days return/exchange period, you will need to take the device to your local service&repair center to have the device tested. With the device not have Insurance there will be a $35.00 service fee for them to fix or exchange the device out."

wow, what a joke. :rolleyes:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Biker1:
Sprint IS one Big Joke!

But they still have the best priced plans, even if their data speeds Suck, including 4G if you can get it, and the 3G throttled down speeds.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] JahmeZZ:
Hopefully this Update that we're Supposed to get in December Fixes this issue. I love the SGSIIE4GT. Hands down the best phone I have ever owned. I have never owned a Samsung Smartphone. Hopefully, This doesn't leave a bad experience.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nidayede:
I like it!!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nibrwr:
Getting the iPhone 4S hurts the Sprint network and every Android user on Sprint. LOS issues suck.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jmejiaa:
Looks like it's getting fixed?

http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/374509#374509