yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkhawkff:
Personally, I'd be surprised to see it even in Q1 of 2012. Last I heard, they were still having issues getting enough SOC's for developer boards. We've seen 6+ month development cycles from most major manufacturers (or more) in regards to attaining the dev boards to putting a product out. I forsee products at the earliest of Q2 of 2012, if not Q3.

My concern is more with the video decoding. Are they going to get it right this time around? Tegra 2 has been pretty disappointing IMHO when it comes to media.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] davebugyi:
Check this! ZTE Kal-El Tablet

First tablet spotted with the Kal-El SoC running android 3.2.

I'd say November release is more real, than October, but who knows.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] justPorter:
if they dont start really supporting the tegra 2 i dont think the tegra 3 will matter much. what is there 11 or so tegra games, might be a few more, but only a few that really use tegra.

jmho
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Drybonz:
I agree. I feel like I bought an obsolete device that isn't even a year old.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] FrayAdjacent:
I'll wait patiently. The Kal-El processor seems pretty slick. Read an article recently that indicates it actually as a 5th core that is permanently underclocked, so that it can run the background, mundane crap, and leave the four primary cores for heavy lifting.

The TF2 could be a pretty damn powerful tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] darkhawkff:
Incorrect....The 5th core is for when the tablet is in 'sleep' mode or when there is almost nothing going on. If the SOC determines that the 5th core can handle the load, it will switch to just that core, and turn off the 4 main cores to preserve battery life. The whole point is to reduce battery consumption, more importantly when nothing or very little is happening, or when it's sleeping. The 5th core runs at a lower voltage and clock speed (up to 500 MHz).

Anandtech Link

The article really gets into the nitty gritty concerning the issue. Basically, you have 4 different states, either a single low power core, a single normal power core, dual (normal power) cores, or quad (normal power) cores. The differences between the cores come from the transistors used. The LP core uses non-leaky transistors that can't be switched as fast (thus the limited to 500 MHz), whereas the normal cores use leaky 'fast switching' transistors to get the speed.

It's an interesting way of trying to increase battery life, at the cost of more transistors and space.

Honestly, the things I want to know haven't been answered yet....How much RAM can we have with this CPU? How fast? If I don't see something more than 1 gb of ram and something greater than 1 GHz (preferably closer to 2 GHz), then the competition very well may catch up very quickly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Welcome to the world that Apple created and everyone openly accepted.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blessedswine:
from what i have read Q1 looks more reasonable for transformer 2 especially since Asus has said they expect sales of transformer 2 to hit 1m for q4, if they release T2 in q4 i dont see it hitting that number!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
????

Typo?

Also, where do you get the 1m from? Asus are selling 600,000 transformers every month.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] blessedswine:
well it only sold 400k in april and may, 300k for june, and after june i cant find anyone saying anything about sales numbers other then they are what they expected.

and yes i meant to type transformer 1 for q4. i havent found anything saying they are selling 600k a month but im not disputing that if that is true they will hit the million sales goal they are setting out for in q4. what i was saying though is if they release the transformer 2 it will kill sales of original im also assuming they wont keep making it. i could be wrong.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dburckh:
I'm wondering how that is going to sit with the general public. Shelling out $200 for a new phone every two years is one thing, but $500-800 for a new tablet every year or two is going sting even those with the heftiness IT budgets. I wonder if Apple will hit a wall there.

My friend from work is loving it. He's bought an iPad I for a song he expects the II's will be just as cheap when the III's come out.

That's probably the biggest down side of the Android tablet market (or upside) you aren't going to get much for your T1. Here's hoping the dock works with the T2!

Amazon $199 price tag is very close to the disposable cell phone price that people seem to be willing to shell out blindly. Arnova is promising $250ish capacitive 1080p 10" tablets very soon. Tegra 3 will sure push down the prices of Tegra 2 tablets into low $300. Probably be able to pick them up for high $250ish on a good sale.

I think these things are going to really leap frog for the next 3 years. I think Kal-El is the beginning of the end for the laptop as we know it. I'm wondering how Apple is going to handle it. If they sell iPad's they'll kill there lucrative laptop business. If MS gets Windows 8 working on a Kal-El tablet, that would be a real shot across Apple's bow. A Windows 8 Transformer. I think that could put MS back in the game. Will Android's phone success translate into Tablets? Interesting times.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] redbullcat:
I think olit'll be announced in October for release in time for Christmas.

Nvida said KalEl was going to be ready in October. So I expect ASUS will want to be among the first with a quad core tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] davebugyi:
Added the Engadget link with some screenshots - nice graphics there :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Riley1524:
It's kinda getting ridiculous how new devices are getting developed and released so fast. Whats the point of buying the new TF2 when there really hasn't been anything to come out to take full advantage of the Tegra 2 chip other than a few games??? Sure it would be cool to show the new TF2 to everyone and it will be faster than anything on the market, but for what? It's way to soon in my opinion to release the TF2 with nothing to really show benefit other than a few benchmarks and a screen shot of a game that will more than likely run just fine on the Tegra 2. I'm sure the everyday android tablet user would not notice the difference between the TF1 and 2 when using it for browsing, video streaming and other basic operations used tablet wise.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] sontin:
Tegra 2 ist one year old and outdated. It's not capable of 1080p High Profile, it has problems with 720p content, it's only running at 1000Mhz, the GPU is not fast enough.

The reason why Asus updated their line up is that the Transformer was very late to the market, like every other Honeycomb-Tablet.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Performance was released as a "White Paper" that doesn't scream next month to me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
its already in the tablet for transformer 2..which is suppose to be released in december..they just officially announced it today. they didn't give an exact december date but they said december.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hoss_n2:
On my opinion. The in game screen shots doesn't prove any thing. (Adding cracks in the stone and water) even some games on my old nokia n95 have that. It is nothing close to pc gaming. Nor you will notice any difference from your old tf1 these are some king of advertisements. No monre but in real life you won't notice any thing important so as long as the tf1 have regular development and updates keep your money for a real improvment
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
gaming will be better with the tegra 3: here take a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvaDtshLY8
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hoss_n2:
I didn't say it will not be stronger than tegra 2 ofcourse it will be stronger but. Have you tried glowball on tegra 2 to and compared it to the video
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
that video kinda shows how the tegra 2 would handle the glowball by running it on a dual core environment. it is @ 2:09
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mikelt89:
Ffs if you buy a TABLET to play video games, then there's something wrong with you, like you can't survive a drive on a bus without playing damn video games or this crappy glow ball? I watched the videos and fell asleep after 5 seconds, seriously that's what makes you people want to buy it? becouse it can run the glow ball smooth? you crazy!

I am interested in the TF2 becouse I want smooth browsing , and all the extra speed and less power the tegra 3 brings is welcome for all the other things.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jjsoviet:
Glowball is just a tech demo, dude. Real games utilizing Tegra 3 (Shadowgun comes to mind) will be available as soon as the platform takes off. Increased GPU performance will also help in rendering webpages (like you want), maps, 3D apps and video decoding. Let's also hope Unreal Engine games will be available for Android in the near future.

But the real improvement of Tegra 3 is its power consumption over Tegra 2. Its 5th companion core is able to process low-key tasks like general navigation and web surfing, while the entire 4-core cluster will activate when in video playback, gaming or any app that requires the power. This allows the TF Prime to last at least 12-14 hours on heavy usage by itself.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
here is another comparison @ about 1:10 from earlier this year for the tegra 3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPN3hHI9y-E
[Eee Pad Transformer General] morphiend:
on the latter pages of this link there's a new glowball demo. it's the best look at tegra 3 i've seen so far.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/1
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jblah:
wow. thats impressive!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] raze1000:
in my opinion it's programmers have gotten lazy, maybe that's a bit harsh but basically they haven't had to push themselves half as much as in past times.

Jeez i remember when the state of the art games were written in machine code and had to fit in 16k or 48k. none of this MB or GB nonesense.

Every year new faster chips come out removing the need for programmers to fine tune, tweak or make the best code they can as they don't have to because the cpu and gpu do all the work.

Maybe if technology slowed down a bit then maybe we would see some big improvements on the software side of things.

Maybe we will see a 64 Gigabyte version of Manic Miner or Jet Set Willy

Showing my age now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Much of this is the difference in graphics quality. Those high-res textures and such are huge, no matter how tightly the code is written.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Drybonz:
If there are as few Tegra 3 games as there are Tegra 2 games it doesn't really matter how powerful it is.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
My biggest problem with the prime is will it be locked or will it be unlockable like the tf101 if it uses the same keys as the b70 plus models and theres no leak id rather stay with the tf101.

I have a LG GT540 aswell as my tab and my GT540 is on 2.3.5 running my custom build official LG support stopped at 2.1 so if the prime has icecream sandwich support but stops at say 4.8 our tf101 series tabs that are unlocked may be able to go until 5.2.1 or something.

I like having the choice and flexablity i mean my litlle gt540 which isnt even in the shops anymore in newzealand still out performs some of the ones that are purely through overclocking and updated software.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] melcali:
Lol calling people crazy because they want to play games on a pretty impressive entertainment device.

And here you are wanting to buy a $500 quad-core tablet to browse the internet lmao
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gogol:
By the time of 5.2.1, i will buy Transformer Five with eight cores, ultra hd etc. etc.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
If the dev cycle stays the same then hell no what are you on??

Honestly once they reach 8 cores they will have to start using smaller nm tech and that takes time and money look at intels road map
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gogol:
Well, don't take 8 cores literally :)

I meant, people upgrade their phone. As you seen already, the state of hardware is advancing every few months. We saw quad cores phone in the pipeline already (HTC Edge?). And we just read about the new MALI GPU which is ten times better performance yadda yadda yadda ...

Of course, you can keep your old hardware and update it again and again while it can ... But, a lot more people just don't have time for that and buy whatever newer.

And for sure, the number of people who root and use custom rom is MUCH LESS compare to people who just buy the phone and use it as it is.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] nook-color:
Here's 2 videos, of those still Frame Screen Shots in the OP.

Plus some non benchmark - real world performance comparisons Website, Editing real world Perf comparisons of Tegra 3 vs Competition ( I'm assuming Tegra 2 )

Side by side video:Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2 applications

Next Generation Gaming samples Tegra 3

Source Article Computer World
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ExploreMN:
Okay, seriously, what was the "comparison" device in that first video? The G1? I mean I know Tegra 3 is faster, better, stronger and doesn't smell like fish, but still! I have played a few games on the ol'Transformer here and nothing has been as bad as in that video.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] nook-color:
Posted Below : Nvidia's response via the Youtube Comments
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
I think what we are seeing now is a huge change in form factor throughout the industry pretty much what the 90's did for desktops the next few years will do for mobile.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ExploreMN:
I'm sure that's what they say, but I don't buy it. As stated, my current Transformer performs much better than the "comparison" system.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gogol:
I will still buy the Transformer Prime, just for the long lasting battery alone.

12 hours or so is very good for today standard :)

I don't really care with performance, it *is* still good enough, more than enough for a tablet.

People complained that they don't need quad core for tablet. I would say, "hey! it's there, you can take (buy) it. If you don't want it, go find dual core tablets, they are plenty".
[Eee Pad Transformer General] hoss_n2:
Even my 2years old htc Hd2 runs flash and web surfing smoother than what in the video comparison . These videos are compeletly fake and a cheap kind of advertisement :@ . Tegra 3 is the most powerfol for sure but competition is not that sh#t
[Eee Pad Transformer General] e.mote:
I'd like to see benchmarks from independent sources, which won't be until the Prime is released and NDAs lifted. Every info/benchmark/etc provided thus far in this thread has come from Nvidia and its PR team. It's good to generate buzz for the launch, but I'm looking for more than hype.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] xPSYCHOTRONx:
My only decision now is 32gb or 64. Cant wait!

Sent from my EVO 3D w/ Tapatalk
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
As a programmer I can comment on that:

1) Of course we are lazy. :D

2) There are limits to how can you optimise especially if sth has to work on many different devices which can have different speed problems. And making optimisations may take to much time to be feasible.

3) Most optimisation result in worse looking graphics.

Example: My simple memory game with some water animation, physics and a lot of moving things on screen would be slow on Tegra2 if I added all the polish I wanted to - for example drawing half-transparent water is quite slow even on Tegra2 and there is not much you can do by some tricks (although I'm guilty of taking shortcuts sometimes, so it's not such a good example).

Using smaller textures makes everything faster - but also makes game look worse because there is more repetition in tiles (smaller tiles) or the texture is blurred. Even in 2D game if you want to have crisp 720p graphics without repetitions you have to load a lot of textures and large textures are slow to draw.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
For Android Java is used most of the time. I also write small games in JavaScript for web browsers (it's my work right now).

For bigger games - I don't know, I don't write 3D games for Windows (it requires a big budget etc.). NOT Java though. ;)

For small games - definitely yes.

For bigger games - probably yes too. Some libraries for making 3D games are probably using a lot of low level stuff for optimisations though and to use all tricks graphics cards provide. It depends on the platform too - writing for a PS3/Xbox (one type of hardware) is different than writing for PC (Windows, DirectX, many different graphic cards) or Android (slower hardware, you have to deal with garbage collector of Java taking some time to clear stuff, less access to hardware itself).

Thanks, it requires a lot of work, but I'm having fun making it.

I'm planing on making bomberman clone next. :)
[Omnia 7 General] suoko:
has anyone received notification about mango update via zune already ?

I upgraded it to 7392 as soon as I received the notification without inserting any mobile provider sim
[Omnia 7 General] ballajalla:
got an email from microsoft today that says: "Windows Phone 7.5 devices are now available in Japan and Russia, and with several new phones announced this month.."

so wont be long now.
[Omnia 7 General] wrxdrunkie:
I got the update today via zune going from 7712 to 7720.

First it says it installed 7720, then Mango beta cleanup, now it is installing "Samsung updates"

Fingers crossed.

I have an 8gb Omnia 7 and am using AT&T in the U.S
[Omnia 7 General] digger1985:
Same here. Just yesterday I had installed the Mango Beta 2. When I came it today it installed 7720 then cleanup then samsung updates. I am on 3 UK.
[Omnia 7 General] suoko:
I'll try change DNS settings then to see if it comes to Italy too
[Omnia 7 General] DanMaxis:
Just cant believe I made it... it didnt worked for me on NoDo (march-april) but this time it has.

I live in Brazil, my windows location is set to US. My omnia 7 is a SFR branded one. After putting the device in airplane mode, I tried for about 3 times until I matched the time. About 3-4 seconds.
[Omnia 7 General] sid8810:
I still have not received this mango update! could it be because of T-mobile? Nodo was not much of an issue.
[Omnia 7 General] BiG K:
I am from the UK and I have a T-mobile Samsung Omnia 7. According to T-Mobile, they havent gotten around to releasing Mango just yet and no idea when they will.

However I flashed the generic Samsung Omnia 7 XEU Retail ROM half a year ago (No network branding). I got the non branded NODO update through zune but don't get the mango update? :S

Anyone else in a similar situation but has gotten Mango?
[Omnia 7 General] BiG K:
I got bored of waiting around and forced it :) Worked a treat :D
[Omnia 7 General] suoko:
Upgraded with disconnect trick to avoid imei control.

Enjoing mango
[Atrix 4G Accessories] pprabhu06:
By any chance do we have sence 3.0 for Atrix :p
[Atrix 4G Accessories] youliang:
No. 10char
[Atrix 4G Accessories] mobileweasel:
Wrong section.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] fernandodistinto:
I like turtles.

(btw, if u're talking about SENSE, we don't, and probably won't)
[Atrix 4G Accessories] foreverzero89:
but, if you want the sense 3.0 lock screen, yo ucan get it through agile lock in the market.
[Atrix 4G Accessories] _Alex_:
Thread closed, op given infraction. In the future, just report the post, don't troll as it just adds to the spam.
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Enjoy. If anybody has any requests/suggestions, I can try my best to fulfill them.
[Android Themes] stuffinthesky:
Looks well done. If I could get number two without the pumpkins, that's my request. Just hay and fence. Good job.
[Android Themes] Krynj:
I can do that. I can have those up later today.
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Here you go:
[Android Themes] kantbstopped519:
these are nice, thankss
[Android Themes] stuffinthesky:
Thank you much. I appreciate it.
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Happy to oblige.
[Android Themes] fredmode01:
Cuuute !

Best docks ever, I totally like them !

Thanks for sharing them !
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Thank you.
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Had a request for a 3 icon dock:
[Android Themes] luciferii:
i love halloween and your docks are cool. can you do one with skulls or cartoonish black widow spiders? both would look good on the checkerd orange background with fence. keep up the good work!
[Android Themes] Krynj:
Thanks. I can give it a shot.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qutlacha:
Is there ANY way to reactivate battery full SOUND notification that has been removed in GB, but without using 3rd party apps ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doctor_metwaly:
already activated using amsteris 3 6 1
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qutlacha:
Sorry, but what is amsteris 3 6 1 ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 14BFF:
it is a custom rom that you can find in the developers forum
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qutlacha:
I thought so right away, but as I tried search XDA and even Google, there is nothing called AMSTERIS.

Is it possible that it is a typo ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spezia12:
It's amestris. Here the link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1189676
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Lordrdx666:
FIRST OPEN THE JPEG FILE THAT IS ATTACHED BEFORE READING OR REPLYING TO THIS !!!

People this is the exact message that REX has sent today... If anyone can arrange for his mobile number leave me a PM we must collectively pray for his health....

The way he has worded this message it seems that he is expecting his final call to this world.....

I don't believe this..... :(:(:(:(

I did not wish to cry but his persistence for even releasing this ROM is amazing....

I have been crying silently for a long time after reading this message...

FOR THE UNINITIATED PEOPLE CMC VELLORE IS A VERY OLD AND REPUTED MEDICAL COLLEGE WHERE PATIENTS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY GO WHEN THEY HAVE A INCURABLE DISEASE OR A SURGERY WHICH LEAVES YOU WITH VERY LESS CHANCES OF SURVIVAL !!!

SO IF ANYONE CAN FULFILL THIS JOB OF HIS UNFINISHED ROM PLEASE COME FORWARD AND DO SO .....

Also to all the INDIAN MEMBERS I REQUEST YOU ALL TO TRY AND FIND OUT REX'S MOBILE PHONE NUMBER IF YOU HAVE..... WE MUST MAKE HIM REALIZE THAT HE STILL HAS MANY MORE YEARS TO LIVE !!

We all at XDA are with him....

country and language no boundary.... A fellow brother must not succumb to the dark land of afterlife.... WHICH THOUGH MY CONCERN IS UNWARRANTED BUT IT IS VALID !! because of the place he is being taken to !!!

Our voices shall keep him alive !!! :eek::o:)

THAT IS MY HOPE AND PRAYER !!
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] quan815:
Rex,although you can't see my post.But i very very hope that you can recovery...You never forget us even you are not well..I really hope miracle will happen on you..I will pray for you even we are from different religion,different country..Best wish from me....

Hope someone from india can spend some time to find him and talk to him,thanks to him,ask him not to give up etc..He is really a good guy..salute.:(

I really sad when knew this:(
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] Lordrdx666:
Thank you friend , I shall be starting the search for this soon ! I hope that he makes through this tough time alive and healthy !! :(

I am gravely worried about his health !

Tapashocked :) via my gt-I9003 with a random keyboard of my choice ! :D
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] vishal24387:
I really dont believe in god. But if god exists then i will definitely pray for him. Its really making me very emotional. Plz god should save such good person.
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] sakindia123:
even in such critical condition,he is inquiring about his rom...........wat a gr8 guy............
[Samsung Galaxy SL i9003] kkrraazzyy:
if you wanna help in making ULTIMATE SL ROM i am ready to help you and that rom will be dedicated to REX and REX take care of yourself