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[Gen8 General] e.mote:
The G9 80 is way overpriced. Ditto for the rest of the G9 line. The competition has spoken.

That, plus Amazon's brand strength, service, and distribution muscle, it's no contest. Many more people will be buying the KF than the G9, which in turns means there'll be a much larger modding community for the KF than the G9.

Archos' ace, the video player, is less of a factor with this new gen, since the 4430 is pretty capable with the software players as it is. With Dice Player, you can play the majority of 720p MKVs on Tegra 2. With the 4430, all 720p should be playable.

My hope is that B&N will match the KF's $200 price with its upcoming NC2. It will also have a 4430. It should prove to be better for modding than the KF, assuming the inclusion of a SD slot as with the current NC.

PS: In case it's not already known, the KF's SoC is already identified as a dual-core OMAP4, which can only mean the 4430.

---------- Post added at 07:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:42 PM ----------

http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/33040-Archos-G9-101-vs-Archos-G9-80-vs-Kindle-Fire
[Gen8 General] Lenn:
@e.mote

I think we all know that amazon will sell more tablet than archos

it is like h&m and a little but good clothes job;)

Archos just isn't so public, and the "ipad-factor" is still there, people still ask me if it my 101 an ipad...

This is the cause why the new archos tablets aren't so low priced (i think they are low-priced, but not enough for some persons) : archos doesnt have many empoyes, they haven't big deals with the manufactures in china and they just dont sell so much like apple or samsung...

in france archos is much more etablished than f.e. in germany

Nobody knows archos here, i bought the first android tablet from archos, and 5 of my friends bought an archos tablet:) i think this is because, archos is just so good known here..

i wish to archos that they will be more public this time!

Back to this thread:

I think this is a good comparison because two good tablets:) so i hit thanks for techngro;)

Greets,

Lenn
[Gen8 General] e.mote:
@Lenn

I think the Archos tabs are more appealing for Europeans than for non-EU folks because of pricing. Archos tabs are priced pretty close to exchange rate, whereas for most other tablets, the price is much more lopsided.

For example, the newly introduced (basic) Kindle is USD$79, but for the UK it's £89 ($139) or 76% more.

For the Archos 80 G9: $300 for US, £200 for UK (or $313), or 4% more.

The Archos G9 just isn't very compelling in the US, price-wise or performance-wise. And now, it seems like poor build quality is an issue as well,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FK37WbzToo

More details here,

http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=57231
[Gen8 General] cajl:
wifi on the booth

but Bluetooth ? Gps ? 3G ?
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
The Kindle Tablt has WiFi and BT, but not GPS or 3G.

I also read that even though it will have access to Amazon's Android App Store, it will not have access to the official Google Market. If true, that's a bit of a bummer. I'm sure Amazon can just throw some money at devs to make sure all of the top apps are ready for launch. I hope this gets rooted though.
[Gen8 General] fzelle:
No camera, so no Video-Skype.

And after the experience with the Amazon-Market ( free app of the day ), i hope that the devs don't do anything in and for the Amazon market.

http://shiftyjelly.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/amazon-app-store-rotten-to-the-core/
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about their App of the Day stuff. That sucks for devs. I hope they change it. It sounds like the kind of thing that is ripe for a lawsuit with the confusing language that Amazon uses in their agreement.

Anyway, once it's rooted most people will go back to using the Google Market. I don't think I've even once downloaded anything from the Amazon App Store.
[Gen8 General] kiemthu123:
How about the battery? I wonder how long can these 2 devices standby in idle mod
[Gen8 General] KOCTA:
You compare "special offers" Kindle with ordinal one. The Kindle without ads costs $103 in the US, so difference isn't that much. Yes, as far as I know all electronics in the UK is more expensive comparing to States.

kiemthu123, nobody knows about the battery yet. Kindle Fire will be available to public after mid-November.
[Gen8 General] kiemthu123:
I need a tablet that has a strong battery so I can comfortably use in my study. My archos 70 now can not standby in idle mod for 10 days, the battery runs out rappidly, I dont know what 2 do with it now. So Im wanna sell it and wait 4 the archos 80 G9 1.5GHz and 1G ram or maybe I should buy an IPAD 2
[Gen8 General] bwills:
missing some specs there

Even the low end g9 has HDMI output usb 2. in/out GPS. Does the kindle?
[Gen8 General] ryahayabusa:
I think Amazon is going to boost the Battery of the Kindle. And this will be one huge selling point.

The other official Specs of the Kindle are not that overwhelming.

So the G9 will be better than Kindel if the build - quality is ok.
[Gen8 General] arpruss:
The lack of a memory card slot on the Kindle is really unfortunate, I think.
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
Honestly, I don't know a tablet that can do standby for 10 days. I know the Kindle can, but it is totally different. The Kindle has a different kind of screen (e-ink), and totally different internals. I think you will have to be satisfied with either a replaceable battery (there are a couple), or a tablet that can charge via usb so you can top it off while you're in class or studying at the library.

You're totally right, the Kindle Tablet does not have an HDMI or even mini HDMI (like my A70) and no full usb port. It has a micro usb that can do host mode with an adapter (like my A70). This is particularly puzzling considering that Amazon is really trying to make this a media device primarily.

It does make more sense that GPS would be one of the casualties of Amazon trying to hit the lowest price point possible. I have a phone that I use GPS on. Almost every smartphone these days does. I don't suspect that many people really NEED GPS on their tablet.

I agree, but one of the things holding me back from the Gen9 are the size (I really love the size of my A70) and the design. I don't like the two-tone grey and black and I think they could have made it thinner like the Gen8s.

This is another issue that puzzles me. I understand that Amazon wants this to be a media streaming/cloud device. If that's the case, shouldn't it have included 3G data components. How can I store my stuff in the cloud if I don't always have access to it? I (personally) can tether to my phone and get 4G, but it just seems strange that they overlooked this point.
[Gen8 General] fzelle:
They didn't overlook that point.

1. 3G would have made the tablet more expensiv.

2. You as an US citicen know the price for a real data flatrate, Amazon didn't want to be accused to be expensive.
[Gen8 General] kiemthu123:
Yes I think there is no need for GPS on a tablet, I use my tablet in studying and reading books so maybe kindle is what I need. But I wanna wait until archos 80 G9 1.5 GHz 1G ram is on store, then I will make a decision of selling my archos 70 and buy a new one
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
They may not have "overlooked" it, but it's still puzzling all the same.

It's not like there aren't other tablets with 3G, and those tablets aren't marketing themselves as always connected "cloud" devices like Amazon is marketing the KT. They put 8GB and no microsd because you're supposed to use all of their streaming services for most of your media/content (video, music, Amazon Prime, etc).

Well, public wifi isn't ubiquitous yet, and not everyone can tether their phones (especially since carriers seem to be cracking down on tethering without a tethering plan). And if I want to stream a video, I'd like to be able to do it while waiting for\on the bus and not have to limit myself to Starbucks or McDonalds. I'm not saying that every tablet has to have 3G, but when you specifically market your device as a cloud device, it's strange that you don't even have an option for a 3G capable device.

It couldn't have cost them that much more to add a 3G (not 4G) radio. Or they could have done what Archos did with their Gen 9 and just add a sim card slot so you can use your already existing data plan when you want. I would gladly pay $250 for a 3G tablet. It's still half the price of the iPad and they're selling it at a loss at $199 anyway.
[Gen8 General] fzelle:
That's the problem.

Amazon wanted a sub $200 Price for retail with a dualcore ips tablet.

And therefore they sacrifised all the things technogeeks like us "need",

because they are targetting the "normal housewife", granny and co,

because there are alot more out there that would buy for that price.
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
All i'm saying is that they could have at least given the option, given that they are pushing it as a cloud device. Let the grannies pay $199 for a wifi version, and let us technogeeks pay $250 for a 3G version. Which is probably what they'll do in some form eventually. There are rumors that the Kindle Fire is just a first taste, and they will be releasing both a 7" and 10" tablet with more features in Q1 of 2012.
[Gen8 General] addicus:
Great thread. I owe my daughter a tablet soon since I sent back her Cruz due to ineptness. I was really looking forward to getting the Archos 8 but the price came in about $50 higher than they originally stated for one with decent internal memory. The Kindle Fire comes along at the right price point and since she's only 8yrs old the wifi only part really doesn't bug me.

I am really losing faith in Archos Gen 9 having any support since they don't have a new forum here so I guess waiting another month or so won't hurt. Spec wise the Archos Gen9 8 inch gives more options for long term growth with the ability to add 3g internet, more connections, etc...
[Gen8 General] fzelle:
This is no Archos Board.

If you head over to archosfans.com you will find the new G9 board, a new FW and some people that have the device already.
[Gen8 General] Techngro:
Yeah, i'm on that site too, under the same name. It was the first board I started using for Archos stuff. And Charbax certainly has a passion for Archos.

I know Archos started selling it a couple of weeks ago on their site, but honestly, i'm gonna wait until the KT is released to really get a good hands-on comparison (via Youtube of course) between the Gen 9 and the KT. That's always how I make my decisions. Nothing beats a 2 part, 37 minute Youtube prizefight. :)
[Gen8 General] fzelle:
I'm wating for the zte T98.

With those specs it might even dualboot with Android and Win8
[Nook Color General] redsrule2500:
I couldn't find a real answer to this anywhere, but I plan on installing CM7 to an SD Card - and boot/run from the card.

Which class of SD card should I be shooting for - and why? Are there any certain brands that work well/don't work well? The same for sizes - is 16GB going to be faster than 32GB ?

Thanks. I'm shooting for a 16 GB internal which should be more than enough space.
[Nook Color General] koopakid08:
Sandisk class 2 or 4
[Nook Color General] mvpilot172:
Search this forum and you will find that the Sandisk class 4 disks are great. The best part is they are available at most retail stores, if your impatient. I've been using a 16gb card for a while and it runs stable and smooth.
[Nook Color General] limaunion:
+1 vote for Sandisk
[Nook Color General] SCrid2000:
SanDisk class 4.
[Nook Color General] freonchill:
SanDisk class 4, 16GB

see the other topics here about sd cards, there are some good known resellers on Amazon who have real SanDisk cards, not the fakes that you can finds for cheaper some places online.
[Nook Color General] SamboNZ:
Are there known issues with other brands or faster (eg; class 6 / 10) SD cards on the NC, or is it just when booting the likes of CM7 from them?
[Nook Color General] johnny15:
Some other cards do have known issues or possibly don't live up to their speed class rating. You might get lucky and get a decent one out of a bunch, but its very hit or miss. Other cards have also been known to die after using them for a bit.

If you're looking for something that is reliable and is consistent, then stick with SanDisk class 4.
[Nook Color General] chirs:
I tried A-data 4GB and 8GB class 6, they both run great, tried a generic 16GB class 4, horrible slow. Haven't try any SanDisk yet.
[Nook Color General] envied:
sandisk 8gb class 4 seems to work ok for me

if i went anything larger than 8gb i would want above class 4 speeds i think
[Nook Color General] monkeymike19:
Read first post here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1005633

sandisk CL4, 8GB and 16GB seem to be the best bet. faster cards appear to be optimized for speed and large file transfers, but the CL4 and slower cards have better small file read/write speeds.

runnnig CM7 off the card, you want the better small file read/write speeds from the CL4 and slower cards.

~mike
[Nook Color General] SamboNZ:
Anyone tested any Sandisk Class 6 cards?
[Nook Color General] mg2195:
Amazon Basics class 10 sdcards work pretty good for me...but i have never run a rom from the actually sd card.

But for $28 (16gb) it actually is class 10-i have all my music and videos and they all perform well. I used to get force closes on my music player back when i had music on internal memory but now that its on external sd i have no force closes

In conclusion the 16gb class 10 amazon basics for $28 has improved my phone satisfaction
[Nook Color General] SamboNZ:
Found one result for a Sandisk Class 6:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21268438&postcount=317

Seems to perform well!
[Nook Color General] prettedda:
This does not hold if you are running off the card. I have a 16GB class 6 Kingston and it runs terribly slow. My class 4 sandisk 16GB runs great.
[Nook Color General] Benzoman:
+1

Before I committed to emmc my lower class cards ran faster.

Sent from my GT-P7510 using one finger.
[Nook Color General] liam.lah:
What monkeymike said.

Pretty much if you get anything but a class 2 or 4 Sandisk(i'd say class 4 for best of both worlds), you run a risk of an unstable system. The benchmark tests seem to put them many orders of magnitude above the higher class cards of other brands.

Plus they seem to be on special just about anywhere i've asked for them. Try radioshack if you are in the US.
[Nook Color General] SamboNZ:
I think you'll find that extensive benchmarking of a heap of cards has shown that the ones which are slow to boot are the same ones which have very low 4k random write speeds (as per monkeymike's post reference). The Sandisk 16GB Class 6 cards appear to have decent speeds for 4k random writes, ergo they will be fine to boot from. Other class 6 cards don't perform nearly as well as the Sandisk ones.
[Nook Color General] ratman6161:
I've seen numerous benchmarks around the web showing that the Sandisk class 4's consistently match or beat the class 10's from other manufacturers and I've had great results with them in both my NC and my phones.

That said, its not going to run as well from an SD card (any sd card) as it will when properly installed as the main OS. I know this from experience. I was running CM7 from a generic class 2 for a while and it sucked. Then I got a Sandisk 16gb class 4 and that made a huge difference in usability. But over the weekend I finally took the plunge and actually installed CM7 directly on the NC-and that is a huge improvement over even the best SD card. Still, the Sandisk class 4 is a good way to test the waters.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Curious that I see no reports of install problems with Mango on the Dell....yet, especially with those coming from any of the Beta's. Has anyone seen any reports anywhere?

I'm here to report 1.

I was on Mango release build. I flashed back to 7004, and followed the update path to 7008, then 7403 then the release build.

When completed, the VP is in a reboot cycle triggered by any touch. I've done this several times.

The reboot cycle appears as follows:

The update completes with no error and the final reboot starts. On reboot, if no sim is in place, the sim error screen appears. This is normal. Touch the screen to close, forces a reboot, regardless of the update complete message.

Repeat process, this time with a sim in place, Update is installed, success messages appear in zune and on the phone. Disconnect phone, touch the screen, reboot occurs.

Repeat process. let the phone reboot until it reaches the desktop. connect via cable to zune. The device is recognized, but NO sync occurs. Go to settings/update and the current build is recognized. Restore is available, and will work.

if the screen goes dark, slide up or touch power will bring up the Lockscreen. Wifi does show, so does 3g and battery, but NO lockscreen release options are available. Again, any touch forces reboot.

I've reported to Microsoft, but was not considered serious since it cannot be reproduced.

Did the update with my HD7 so Zune, the downloads, etc are in place and working.

Getting back to 7392 is an option, so I am not dead in the water. But wanted to make sure reports of problems with the update were reported.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Since I flashed back to 7004, I lost the firmware updates. I noticed that the subsequent updates do NOT flash any firmware. According to MS EULA, all updates are cumulative...contain all previous updates. I have flashed from 7004, to 7008, to 7392 to 7304. During none of these flashes has the firmware been updated. the 105 firmware is maintained. I thought I read that the 7420 update included the 219 firmware....

anyone else having this problem?
[Venue Pro General] henry084:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1280097

Please read my problem I have encountered and how I have solved, hope this helps.
[Venue Pro General] tbvnz:
After step 6 while trying to install Mango I recieve error code 801812c1.
[Venue Pro General] theonlyremedy:
I faced a problem while updating to Mango via Zune software.

My phone kept restarting while installing 7.10.7720.68 update. Stuck in step 8/9 for about 30 mins.

I did the following to recover, nothing worked.

1. I guess my phone got bricked, stuck in an infinite restart loop. I cancelled my update and removed the data cable. Removed battery and put it in again, tried restarting, still in infinite loop. Thanks DELL & Microsoft!

2. I read in Dell forum that I have to turn off my phone, then hold down Power Button + Volume Down + Camera button to enter PC download mode, so that I can restore it from Zune software. Trying it now.

3. Restore from Zune doesn't work, even its stuck at 0% for about 30mins.

4. After a few tries, removing battery, removing the SIM and doing some random stupid stuff, tried again the restoration seemed to work, I mean it started to restore.

5. Finally, I guessed its time for me to give up. Restoration failed with Error Code 8018009B. So its bricked for now.

6. I was greeted with this nice message from Windows Phone support tool

"Communicating with device. Please wait for Recover button to be enabled.

Support Tool version 4.8.2345.0

The tool cannot recover this phone. Please contact technical support."

I didn't even force the update, it was regular update which I was able to start from Zune without forcing it. NOW ITS BRICKED!

7. I took my phone to Dell Service Center, those guys couldn't figure out the problem, they said its a new phone here in India and don't have any technician to fix it.

I posted the same in Engadget, I got no response from anyone, so am posting here hoping to get a solution. I at least want my phone working, I'm happy without mango.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Sorry to hear this....but, I think you'll be happier with Mango...About your phone...

If this was NOT a forced update, Dell may be able to help you. Microsoft has made updating 'almost' brick free. If you log into Zune, a backup is made, you're using the cable that came with dell, not using a USB hub, have a solid internet connection,and are NOT forcing the update, the blame for the problem could fall onto the update itself.

As part of a test team, I used to try and brick Windows Phones. The easiest test was to remove the cable during different phases of update. I was never able to brick the phone. Sudden power loss on the PC also was tested. Never was able to brick a phone. Apparently the download and transfer process is done in parts, meaning the update is downloaded, completed, then transferred to the phone, then installed. If the update is interrupted during download, no worries, or even transfer, no worries, reboot the phone, try again.

The process of install is done 100% on the phone so no bad cables, or shut down of internet can impact it. Even if connection between PC and phone are lost during the install portion, the message still tells you to check the phone. The install will continue.

that leaves only the relationship between the installation and the files itself. If the update package is corrupt or damaged, then it may not be able to successfully complete. If this is the case, you have an issue with Dell and Microsoft. Since Microsoft can only help you with software, I argue that you would have relief, as in possible phone replacement, from Dell.

Do you have a way of contacting Dell from India?
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Called Dell Mobility. Even though I could restore back to previous version, they offered to replace the device, which I took.

Kind of sad though, I've never had problems with wifi or anything else on this phone. In fact the only problem ever with a VP was me dropping the thing. I'm hoping the refurb I get will also not be a problem.
[Venue Pro General] theonlyremedy:
Thanks alodar1..

I asked Dell to do a service and added that I don't need an replacement. The service guy said the phone is new and they are not trained to service this, so they would only do a replacement. I'm not ready to do a replacement, they ask me to go for international warranty, moreover they replace with factory refurbished phones.

BTW, I would like to know if there is anyway to format the memory card without removing or replacing. Right now I have another problem whenever I press the power button to boot my phone it directly goes to Software Download mode, the camera button was never pressed.

While trying to repair using Windows Phone Tool, I received this error "The tool cannot recover this phone, please contact technical support", so being a little curious I fired up .NET Reflector and loaded the tool to find out what was happening, I found that the this error is thrown if the phone is not Samsung made (see attached file). Is there any similar tool for Dell Phones?

*UPDATE 1* Is there anyway to force flash without using Zune, any third party tool, Zune seems to go to restore mode and can't find my phone. I have a feeling that erasing the contents of SD card will solve the problem.

*UPDATE 2* I did the registry trick and was able to see my DVP in Computer window. But instead of one DVP, I see 2 and both have storage of 3.75 GB each. But my DVP is 16GB, both DVP are empty. Previously I was never able to see my DVP even after registry patch. Now I have feeling that corrupt drivers caused the problem, yesterday I completely removed and reinstalled Zune Software, now the registry patch worked.

Please let me know with problem my DVP could be hardware fault or just the software. If its hardware then I'll go for replacement right away.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Just recieved my replacement VP. Ordered yesterday around noonish. Went downstairs to get the Motorola Xoom box that was delivered...and the VP was there too. Bonus....

Did not come with Mango....but....there's not a scratch on this thing....not a rub, not a bump...nothing. Still has plastic in places I doubt they would put plastic after refurb. I'm wondering if I got one of hte left over new ones....

Doesn't matter....Mango won't install no matter what...so...maybe I'll try ICS.
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
My Mango is now Ripe..
[Venue Pro General] theonlyremedy:
Nice to hear that! :)

How do you flash it back to 7392? I need to flash mine.