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[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
Me AND my girlfriend have been looking to get this tablet for a few months now... She is just a girl that won't use it to the extent I would... As an example she has my old evo 4g while I have the 3d... so I was wondering if I should get this transformer now for her and white for the transformer 2 or if I should just get both now...

Any comments on either tablet?

Tia
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] uploder:
it all depends. correct me if im wrong but the transformer 2 doesnt have a guaranteed release date. it has an expected one. if you can wait it out for a few months or longer by all means. but honestly there will ALWAYS be a new device with better specs announced months , hell even days after getting a new device. you'll be waiting forever with the " i gotta have the latest and greatest" mentality. but hey its up to you. i say just get it now:D
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexTheStampede:
Is getting the TF for you now and then hand it to her when the TF2 comes out and you buy it for yourself an acceptable solution?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chatch15117:
I'm pretty sure it will be easy to sell the TF if you want the TF2 once it comes out. Craigslist for $350 easy.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
yeah but once the tf2 comes out wont that drop?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goodintentions:
Get an ipad 2. At least you'll know the value of that thing will not fall so easily.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebugyi:
Well IMO, I would go for a transformer now (as I did). There is no guaranteed release date for the TF2 and I don't want to sound pessimistic, but it'll contain new hardware and new OS, so probably it will have issues and it will take some time to iron out the early and unforeseen bugs. Hopefully I am wrong and it will be good straight from the launch :) I'll get one and sell the "old" if it will be much better than the current.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goodintentions:
The tegra 3 chip is due to be released at the end of this year. It will take some time for asus engineers to adapt the chip into their tablet design. It will also take some extra time to stamp out bugs.

So, how long are you willing to wait? My prediction is we will see the gen 2 TF next March or April.

You go ahead and wait if you want.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] checkbox111:
If you're buying now? No it's not worth buying! when it was first released with android 3.0 it was a great device, almost perfect, but with constant worthless updates that have only ruined it my advice would be don't bother.

The last straw for me was updating to 3.2 (in the end i decided to because of constant *&(%&** pop-ups telling me there was an update available, and i just got pissed off with them) which totally ****ed up my music player, art never loads correctly.

I emailed them about a cure and they suggested a factory reset, which i did, then spent 4 hours re-installing my music only to have it go back to the same problem 2 days later.

There advice now is to send it in for a replacement, just for a ****ing software update that they had reason wahtsover to release in the first place, accept to help those wingy baby winers who ask for constant updates in the sad belief that new equals better :mad:

Did you know you can buy a 32gb xoom for the same price as a 16gb transformer :) I did ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexTheStampede:
Let me understand: getting rid of bugs and improving the speed, adding features is bad... OK, fine. So you got rid of a fast updating device for the fastest one? Makes a lot of sense. Like, totally. Why not the Galaxy Tab 10? If Samsung does the same as with the original one you'll probably see up to 3-4 updates during the whole lifecycle.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GetPatriotized:
I'm getting mine next month.Mid October. Should I skip or get it?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
You disappoint me...

So I talked it over with my girl and I think I got an idea...

If the TF2 is released late Q4 like all my googling has me to believe then I will get the TF1 in a few Weeks... Tweak it all out thanks to XDA and it's awesome developers and when the TF2 comes out I'll get that and my girl will put up $250ish + a "few favors" for the TF1... then BAM! Geeky couple all over again

Idea?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GetPatriotized:
Did some research,the Transformer 2 real? and it's coming next month? Is it confirmed?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goodintentions:
But it's true, whether you want to hear it or not.

I kept my eyes big and wide and was able to get the TF brand new at $255. Combined with my keyboard dock, that was about $380 I paid for my TF+dock setup brand new. I have not been able to find an ipad or ipad 2 anywhere near that price.

If you are worried that something newer and better is just right around the corner, why not get an ipad 2 so you can resell it for almost the value you paid for it?

Again, the tegra 3 will be released by nvidia at the end of this year. It will take asus at least 3 months to get these chips into their TF2. And it will take them another couple months to stamp out the bugs and smooth out the hardware-software compatibilities. My prediction is sometime in March or April, possibly May.

I first heard about asus building the transformer a whole year before it actually came out. There's a lesson for you.

So, since you are having doubts about getting the TF now, might as well get the ipad 2 and then next April you can try to get your hands on the TF 2 and resell your ipad 2 at almost its original value.

Either that or be like me and be happy with what we have right now. I have absolutely no intention to upgrade unless I see another deal like the one I had with my TF.

---------- Post added at 11:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:16 AM ----------

That same rumor said the transformer would come out in 2010. I remember anxiously waiting for it. Well, a whole year later, it finally hit the market.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GetPatriotized:
Yikes!

So,is it too late to pick up the Transformer say in a couple of weeks? October? Are there any other quad-core tablets shipping in the coming months? Besides the Transformer 2?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
Yeah im sure there will be but i REALLY like the whole Netbook/Tablet thing... ESPECIALLY if windows 8 is a goal for developers... All i really need a PC for right now is Minecraft and that should be fixed on the Transformer... I've gone the last year without a decent computer because i have had my EVOs... so a Transformer would be a good Mix for me... I thought about the Galaxy 10.1 but i didnt like the keyboard options it came with... So its the TF/TF2 for me!!!
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cavsoldier19d:
I would say buy now. The longer you wait, the less likely u are going to find revision B60 or below...the revisions that can be rooted/rom'ed. I have already read a horror story about how some dude went to multiple stores and checked the entire stores stock looking for B60 or below and couldn't find one. The B70 revision has been out for a while now and it still hasn't been rooted yet. You may end up having to buy one on ebay or something if you want to root it.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
Wow... Maybe i should research a but more on this... Thank you so much i didnt realize that was an issue i had to look out for...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sheureka:
Huh??? - sheureka (who is just a girl)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
sorry to offend... i know girls who are like you are few and far between... I wish my girl were as interested in Android and tech as i was...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] checkbox111:
Android 3.0 had no bugs, there was nothing wrong with, Asus just pandered to the winging baby whiner minority who want their transformer to do things that a TV and a gamestation can already do 1000 times better.

I don't want something that that the manufacturer releases constant unwanted, un-needed and un-tested updates for every month, that's how problems started with the transformer.

Ok so stop whinging yourself and sell it?? check out the market :)
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
If you actually knew what you were talking about it would be one thing but you obviously have an agenda to just slam Asus. If anyone needs to quit whining its you. If you have nothing to add other than you uninformed opinion then just go away and enjoy your life.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
That was the best you could come up with? You actually took the time to open a post just for that? It's a well known fact that your statement is true. You are not posting any new information with that bold intellectual move. You however continue to confirm that you are indeed lacking in the ability to come up with reasoned arguments and prove my point.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexTheStampede:
I accept your offer to play. Basic rules: proving each others reasons with facts, links, whatever non anedoctal could be found. Also keeping it civil.

Asus does a good job updating often, fixing bugs and improving functionality by keeping in sync with Google's updates to Android. Android 3.0 was buggy, read any review.

My contribute to a fact based discussion: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1041502 the changelog for the firmware updates.

Not to mention that so far your whole point has been "I had no issues until an update that added features better suited to specialized devices broke my Music app"

Do you not see the irony? It's beautiful! Complaining about extra features that other devices can do as a specialized task while what you care about is another of those features the could be done better by a dedicated device. Funny bit: the Transformer is the essence of compromise. It's less or more a netbook (that is a compromise between the power of a laptop and mobility, and a laptop is a compromise between the power and flexibility of a desktop computer and mobility), it's a tablet and that is a compromise between mobility and power. It records video, but a dedicated device does it better. Takes photos, again a dedicated device does it better. Surfs the web, but a computer does it better. Plays videos, but a dedicated video player does it better (or a fairly powerful computer with VLC). Does email, but a computer with full size keyboard does it better. Connects to the net, but a computer with a gigabit Ethernet does it way better. Plays music, but a dedicated player does it better and gets more play the out of the batteries. I could go on, but my point is made.

While I do believe that you encountered that issue with the music application, look around here: it's unheard of. Yours might be a particular case that messes it up... Maybe your music collection is so big it's troublesome for that poor application. Maybe some of your files have some weirdness and that's what causes trouble. Who knows!

Now onto proving thebadfrog is right (albeit I do agree with you about his manners): you got a Xoom if I understood you right. That is the official Android Honeycomb device, directly supported by Google, the first to get Android updates and without any customization by the hardware producer (no HTC Sense, Samsung TouchWiz and so on). And unless it has a way to disable update checks, you are on Android 3.2 with better support for hd videos and USB/Bluetooth controller compatibility, just like the Transformer...
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
Wow.....well written. Very nice job.

*badfrog gives a standing O

My bad manners are usually the best way to slow the tide of n00bs filling xda with nonsense.

Sent from my thingy using that app thingy
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marinor:
I had my girl try an ipad I had laying around (before selling it) for a few weeks. She came back to me and said, "I don't like it, I can't do anything with it like what I could do with your android tablet".

So I got her and android tablet, she actually uses it for a lot now.

Get a TF now and when the TF2 comes out buy that and give her the TF.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rob_z11:
Can you be specific of what is your girlfriend can't do on iPAD that she could do on TF?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Danzano:
....................................................Everything
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Danzano:
"I don't like it, I can't do anything with it like what I could do with your android tablet".

Your a lucky man my ex misses couldn't shut up about her iphone showed her specs apparently twice the power means nothing.

And to the op definantly the tf101 the tf2 looks great but what's the bet there probably going to lock it down even more than the tf101 b70 onwards.

Look at options for the device its not all about grunt.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexTheStampede:
What has twice the power of what? Namely the iPhone 4 runs the same and better games than a Tegra 2. Sure 512mb of ram aren't good for multitasking and the same is true for the single core... And Apple apparently knows it, avoiding real multitasking in iOS. But if you think that the Tegra 2 is more powerful than any not too old single core 1ghz device you are wrong. Take the year old Galaxy Tab, give or take has the innards of an iPhone 4 because Apple loves Samsung chips, and it runs Riptide GP at full details smoothly... All you need is Chainfire 3D, the Tegra plugin, and a 1.2ghz overclock if you want the top quality settings. Older iPhone do lack some power, that's true but they are OLD.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marinor:
I don't really know in all honesty, I was too happy to hear her say that to ask.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
Wow I made a very insightful thread... As for asus locking down the TF2 I'm not worried... I have the EVO 3D and it took the developers about a month to crack it... I have faith in the XDA developers to get the job done in a timely matter... I am thinking I should find a used TF1 in

Good condition so I don't have to worry about getting a newer model and spend too much on a device I'm eventually going to give to my girlfriend...

As for the other guy's girl and her saying the iPad didn't do as much I think I know were she is coming from... I very often when using an iOS device find my self at "Dead ends"... On the Android platform it has many ways to do many things... Long pressing, the menu button, back button, search button... In an iOS device if the option isn't on the screen then I'm lost... My girl often has the same issues... That's my two cents...

The updates matter... Is the flaming really needed? With my rooted devices I really don't rely on OTA updates from the manufacture anyways...

Did I touch on all the topics this thread brought up?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AlexTheStampede:
The updates do matter, at least from what I've seen so far: good roms are based on official releases... look at Prime for the Transformer, Overcome for the Galaxy Tab, and well, everything for the Xperia mini pro. That's my experience. Either it's supported by Cyanogen or the official release is still needed to progress. Why no usable Honeycomb for the Galaxy Tab? No official Samsung release.

I might be wrong, but this is my feeling on the matter.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cavsoldier19d:
I have to give it to asus for making a solid product as well as providing frequent updates. However, asus has gone out of their way to change the bootloader and lock down the newer revisions of the tf, thus making it a point to be non development friendly. I realize that bootloaders can be unlocked, however, the tf is just not attracting many developers at this point. The tf has been out for how long now and we only have 3 custom roms? Maybe if asus was more development friendly, we would have more roms and maybe already have the newer revisions rooted already. I read in a post on here that apparently asus has asked the tf developers to not crack the new bootloader. I don't know if this is true, but if it is, that's kind of rediculous. Don't get me wrong, I love my tf, but if asus doesn't change their policy on development, then I will no longer buy asus android products. When its time for buying the latest and greatest, I will simply buy a device that's just as good and that's more development friendly.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thebadfrog:
There is no Honeycomb source so 20 custom roms would be 20 versions of the same thing with slight tweaks
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
On that now how do you think the TF1 and TF2 will go when Ice cream sandwich comes out?
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kiwi32:
New,better tablets will keep flowing on the market.I says get the tf1 now and keep your eyes open for the future.
[Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Thaxx:
I Kent from a developer stand point... I was to understand that ICS was supposed to released under the AOSP... Wouldn't that mean that developers both for the TF1 and TF2 (given the device is rootable) would be able to design more custom ROMs? Possibly even CM8?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] imeem:
So i have the original milestone (android 2.2.1 and rooted) . I want to overclock because sum games (like samurai 2) is slow. But b4 i overclock...

1) What's a good app to overclock? Setcpu?

2) How do i know if the clock speed i chose r stable? Is there like sum sort of stability test app?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] skadude66:
I prefer to overclock using the 10overclock method, but I don't believe that stock ROMs have that. You can try setCPU or Milestone Overclock(in the themes and apps section), but I haven't had any success with either.

As for stability, you can try running a benchmark app, it will stress test the phone, that should give you a good idea of stability. You can try Quadrant Standard, Smartbench 2011 or Linpack for Android.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] imeem:
i'm trying milestone overclock right now. How do i set custom overclock speeds? because the slider is like preset.

I downloaded setcpu. But it won't let me overclock

.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Eiertschik:
First you have to root your device using Universal Androot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20401155/UniversalAndroot-1.6.2-beta5.apk

Then use Milestone Overclock to increase your maximum CPU clock

And finally you can use SetCPU to control your CPU's behaviour
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] imeem:
As i said, my phone is already rooted via superoneclock. So i guess i only use setcpu for profiles, benchmarking, and stablility, and underclocking?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Eiertschik:
Exactly

SetCPU does pretty much everything - except the overclocking itself

That's what Milestone Overclock is for

Seems like I missed that

My bad
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] imeem:
What's like the maximum safe temp. for milestone? at 1 Ghz, it's at 43 C max.

how do i set it to 900 mhz in Milestone Overclock? Do i do it in settings? If so what voltage should i set it to?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone Q&A, Help & Troublesh] Eiertschik:
I've set up a profile to clock down at 50°C

But I never reached it

Never got past 40-something

I have no idea - I was just using the slider :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daryelv:
Anyone that has been reading the Dev section or been in the IRC chat has probably seen plenty of flaming going on by some people that think they're Elite compared to everyone else. If you think another chatroom would be nice for users to get help when needed without fear of getting banned, flamed, yelled at, told to STFU, ridiculed or more, then let's set it up.

XDA is about a community of users and devs helping each other to tweak their phones as a hobby. Let's get the friendliness back into these forums and start helping each other out.

There's quite a few options for IRC chat, EFnet, Undernet, Mibbit, Freenode, etc. What's everyone's preference? I'm also voting myself NOT to be an Op, I have limited time available between working 50-60 hours a week, having time for my wife and kids, and doing Android app development on the side.

-Daryel
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ptfdmedic:
If I can ever help. PLEASE don't hesitate to ask.

Great post....

Rob
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] geekaren:
Excellent idea.

I've also wondered if it might be helpful to have a separate E4GT Q&A forum (similar to what's set up for the international SGS2):

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1148
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jerdog:
Once we have 1,000 threads in General or 10,000 posts in General we'll be able to split that out - XDA rules.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] geekaren:
Glad to hear a Q&A forum will be an option in future.

Thanks, jerdog!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] henbone11:
not for nothing daryelv, but you keep making it appear as though you were just an innocent victim to an irc tirade. that simply is not the case. you did everything you could to badger and harass a rom dev about something that everyone in the thread clearly understood. before jumping on here to cry to whomever will listen, try taking a moment to look at the situation and figure out why the results were what they were. people here, that were not there at the time, have no idea what happened, only your word. there are two sides to every conflict. making it seem as though you were just randomly assaulted is irresponsible.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xak944:
Perhaps if everyone searched for their issue, took some initiative, and did some research before posting they would get flamed a	lot less.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daryelv:
Oh, I know I was banned for asking why an Op didn't update his thread to make things a little more clearer so there would be fewer questions on it. It's when 4 other people jumped into the conversation and started calling me an idiot, a f-ing indian, and more that things went way overboard.

It's not just me though, look through all the chat logs and you will see a repeated pattern of attacks by anyone coming into the chat room to ask about the LOS problem, or wants to ask about Rev B, or has a question about a ROM. It's usually 1 or 2 Ops jumping down the user's throat telling them to "STFU" and then kicking them out.

Anyone voicing their opinion usually gets kicked if it doesn't match the opinions of the Ops. I'm sorry, but the playground has been taken over by a bunch of bullies that sit waiting to tell someone to F-off. That's why we're looking at possibly making a new playground. If you don't like it, don't come. If you want to discuss this more, do it in PM.

-Daryel