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[Off-topic] VisibleNoise:
Haha! Although I don't think it will be that bad.

I had a PS3 for a long time and haven't looked back since I sold it. I'm pretty satisfied with the 360 and I'm glad they have seen sense and done a u-turn for the Xbox One on the always online requirement and charging for pre-owned games. Sony did have them by the balls there and it did make me question the decision to sick with Xbox. However, I've decided to stick with Xbox for the next release and I'll see where it leads.

Who knows,you may be quoting me in 12 months time saying "I told you so"......only time will tell!
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
I highly doubt that.. considering that Microslut showed its true colors by not sticking by the Ecks Bocks Juan in it original state, who's to say they aren't going to pull a "remove install other OS" like Sony did down the line?

With removing the license key fee (good for consumers, bad for developers who were expecting that little extra money) I'm sure that a lot of companies aren't too happy..
[Off-topic] VisibleNoise:
Alienate a few developers or alienate millions of consumers and potential new consumers? Sony where putting the boot in regarding the licensing and connectivity. If Microsoft stuck with their original business model then there would have been an exodus to the PS4 for millions of existing 360 consumers.

They had to do a u-turn on this or risk losing millions of consumers. Just look at the feedback online since their initial launch and after the E3 presentations.

Devlopment studios make 100s of millions in revenue from their games. There are a lot of businesses that rely on second hand game sales. If Microsoft kept with the original model it would grossly affect games stores on high streets around the World.

The change doesn't affect Indie game developers as their games are purchased directly through the Xbox live market place and downloaded onto the console. It's not like you can sell on your indie game after you've completed it like you can wit a physical disc. So this change only affetc large studios who are selling discs in their millions and making revenues in the 100s of millions.
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
PD wasted almost 7 years and couldn't bring up the graphic level of other AAA PS3 projects, even a silly God Of War 3 runs at 60FPS and look at the graphics there. But somehow PD couldn't do the same and bring an actual eye-candy coupled with one of the most realistic driving experiences in the industry. Let's hope they fix that with GT6 and then bring even better successor in form of GT7 for PS4
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Yes, I know all this..

All I was saying is, developers who were looking at profit from used games aren't going to be happy.. no company in the world is stupid enough to ignore the consumer for developers, with no users, developers don't matter
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Developers don't receive any $$$ from used game sales, that's why various studios and publishers started introducing the Online Pass system to gain at least few dollars from a new player that bought a used game from someone who previously payed 60$ for a new one. So basically, by charging the players with used games for online capabilities in form of Online Passes, which usually cost 5 to 15$, developers can stil learn 1/7 - 1/4 of the original game price, but not through the used game sale itself
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
That's what I was getting at..

That was the issue with used games originally, they would work, but it was at a developers discretion if they chose to have the person who bought a used game to have to pay the licensing fee to make the game work.. like online pass except for any part of the game, not online only.. this way, if they did require a fee to activate the game, the developer DID make money off the used games, now they have nixed that..

Now, that little bit of extra revenue is gone..

Holy hell, perhaps I'm not explaining this right, but I don't see what's so hard to understand..
[Off-topic] vj_dustin:
What is this huge ass posts discussion about... :D

Sent.... Just sent!
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
An introduction of extra fees for unlocking various parts of the game would be almost the same as paying for an unlock key as if you were using a demo version. But the thing is, a person that buys a used game - it getting the FULL original copy, not some sort of the demo. I agree that Online Passes should stay, especially since the multiplayer is not the main thing in some games.

The Xbox One policy was not about locking game features either, it was solely about having a DRM protection to restrict players from using the same game of different consoles, and that was about to be used in the game in a WHOLE, not just multiplayer.

So Online Passes for multiplayer access is pretty much enough of a "licensing fee" that allows the game to be played online, which is a must for projects like Call of Duty and Multiplayer, where it's all about multiplayer that has the most fun rather than single player (like seriously, who would've bought COD BLOPS2 solely for single player?)

The idea that you posted would be used too heavily in games, because the tendency of restricting more and more stuff in the newly bought games, which would lead to severe decisions like "herp derp, you have a used game - pay 5$ to access options"

To make such a model would cause the destruction of the industry as we know it today, because the devs could've just start to release demo versions with single player built in and unlocking the features like "5$ for versus mode, 5$ for multiplayer, 5$ for extra costumes"

NO! nnnnNO! nnnnnnnnNO! That is just wrong

So let's just leave the Online Pass/Season Pass/etc. system and pay at least 15$ straight to DEVELOPERS

P.S. LOL I hope I got ya now
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Close..

Not using same games on different consoles is the definition of used games..

They made licensing agreements in the beginning, telling devs that they COULD require the used game consumer to have to pay an activation fee to unlock the game if they wanted, it was at the discretion of the developers.. if they enacted it and you bought a used game, popped it in, and didn't want to pay the fee, nothing.. no demo, no nothing.. it is a shiny coaster.. I think their original figure was "around 10% of retail"

So on top of the price of the used game, it would require $6+-

That was one of the massive problems they backed out of when they jumped ship from their original keynote..

"Because of its disastrous crisis control, Microsoft stepped back and revoked all restrictions on used-game sharing and digital rights in order to ward off imminent doom. The internet burst out with joy. But what do these concessions really mean? It means that Microsoft is now extremely behind in terms of publisher agreements. Taking into account the impact the new DRM restrictions would have had on publishers, a number of agreements were undoubtedly forged to ensure that this new system would be beneficial for both parties. The overnight disappearance of any restrictions, of restrictions that were deemed fundamental to the Xbox One experience, certainly must have put all of those arrangements into question."

Them being at odds with developers over the jump was my initial posts direction I was going in, somehow we ended up here..
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Well, the obvious pro there is that DRM could be enabled by the developers, not by Microsoft. But this smelled fishy to me, IDK why. Funniest part is that EA rushed to roll back Online Pass system for ALL of their past, present, and future titles, and now MS just dropped the DRM security with used games blocking, so EA bosses must be like "FUUUUUUUUUUU" right now hahahaha

From what I have heard, the fee for using a game would be about either 15-25$ or 25%, so by getting a used game for 30$ and paying a fee - you anyway end up with a sum almost equal to getting a new game, without having to mess with passes and unlocks, lol

They reversed the DRM policies because they realized that no one would buy the XBOne with all those policies when they looked at pre-order numbers, not because of having problems with publishers (else why did EA and Activision jumped right into agreement on behalf of timed exclusive DLCs for COD and EA Sports titles?)

See the problem here? Microsoft does not even know what their own customers WANT, else they wouldn't introduce that DRM bullcrap in the first place. This is why Sony is the best company in the industry.

What do gamers want? Games.

What does Sony give them along with PS4? Games

Sony pushes on the gaming part and balances it with all the other services and media - music (Qriocity), movies (Sony Pictures, Netflix, ...), networking (PSN and SEN), ecosystem (Xperia/Vaio/PlayStation syncing) and premium stuff (PS+) on a single platform ,with positioning GAMES as the first and main thing unlike other platform holders

Being at odds!? Dude, EA and Activision like MS becuase they can get $$$ from the game sales and MS has surely invested a couple of millions to provide X360 (and now XOne) users with timed-exclusive DLCs. So in case of Microsoft, it's all about Money. And money alone. Hence why Bungie, Epic Games, and Lionhead Studios went separate ways with Microsoft, with Bungie going multiplatform and bringing Destiny to PS4 and Lionhead not even announcing a new Fable title for XOne. (I'm sure Microsoft founded 343 Industries only to obtain their own Bungie with blackjack and sluts). They are lucky that Remedy and Turn-10 still are intact, and CryTek is only making Ryse to fulfill what they promised 3 years ago when they showed the original Ryse 1st person demo on E3 2010
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
I think we are on the same page, just from different angles.

I didn't mean they reversed policy because of devs, just meant that was a slap in the fave to them..

With their original plan, developers were looking at even more money, but now, that's off the table, and they are back to normal..

ms only wants money, not to give benefits..

Hell, look at the price of 360 harddrives compared to Sonys "any 2.5 will work and here is how to change it"
[Off-topic] Gogeta:
Challenge of the gods in God of war took the sh*t out if me to complete it:mad::screwy:
[Off-topic] axitya:
Anybody tried Grid 2 around here ?
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Oh my goodness, this is something!!!

looooooooooool
[Off-topic] UndisputedGuy:
Just read the reports on Eurogamer myself and was quite surprised.

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
When I first got Call of Duty, it was automatically on inverted, and I didn't know how to switch it, so I just got used it. Now I can't use anything but inverted.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
Dark Souls is 14.98 on Amazon and I've got ~$15 in credit, yes or no? I could go either way but it seems pretty well received.
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Do you think it's true?

I can't believe that MS does one stupid thing after another. I'm sure it was not Don's personal decision but rather MS bosses after that leaked footage of Don saying "if you don't have a good internet - just go and buy x360"

Either way, I don't know whom could MS put instead of Mattrick as the CEO and the Xbox team leader, Peter Moore already left for EA, the original Dashboard creator has been long forgotten, ...

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Definately yes, but I'd also recommend getting Demon's Souls if you can
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Words of wisdom, take it nice and easy in that game and be prepared to get killed over and over and over.
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
You are going to suffer if you play that game. Prepare to die alot.
[Off-topic] UndisputedGuy:
I think quite a few sites have reported it but i don't know really. I'm inclined to think it's true

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
[Off-topic] boborone:
It's been in the rumor mill for a couple months that he was leaving. Lots of people have left and gone to places like zynga.
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
It's an era where money in your pocket now is worth the impending bubble burst. I give Zynga 3 years tops.
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Getting close to gamer level 18 on PSN..

Lvl 17 at 71%

2853 trophies..
[Off-topic] SteveG12543:
Just beat The Last of Us! 17 hours and 18 minutes of playtime. Very fun :) gonna try out the multiplayer tomorrow.
[Off-topic] vj_dustin:
Is dark souls that tough?

Even on normal?

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[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
I heard there's only one difficulty with no adjustment.
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
dont buy a console. Just buy a cheap ass pc for about the same price as ps4 and you already get the high performance to play any pc games at higher end quality.

btw, I have a laptop that i bought for four hundred bucks and it still plays any games at medium settings.:rolleyes:
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
You think there's a difficulty level setting?

Muahahahahahahajaj!!

Please find a 400$ PC that can run any modern game

Or

A similar to PS3 spec PC and run Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3 on it

Kthxbai
[Off-topic] ZacksBuilds:
Buy a PC. So much better.
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Its not called normal.. its called "destroy your controller due to insane rage"

And if you want to play Demon's Souls first and find it too easy, I can wait until you get pretty far in and invade and destroy all your armor.. that should reset the curve..

God I hated that.. happened far to often, I ended up grinding a character offline for a few hundred hours..

I wish I would have saved some of the threats I used to get.. lol!
[Off-topic] vj_dustin:
Well I'm a pc gamer and I Always have easy, normal and insane

So I'm guessing even this goes into the console only list :banghead:

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[Off-topic] L.E.D 26:
Yup... with a 1000 $ Pc you have the best performance for 5-6 years..
[Off-topic] Zoow:
My PC (bought all parts used from Craigslist) was LESS than 400, and it could run any game maxed out, at 60fps, and some of the really demanding ones (like crysis 3) at around 40 fps on high with a few things turned down to medium.

People that spend 1000+ for a gaming PC are the ones that want to play crysis 3 at a billion fps with 500 other things open on a 75 inch 1080p display. It's not neccrssary for those of us who don't need all that.

You clearly know nothing of PC gaming, and you're just being a butthurt console fanboy. I loved my 360 when I was 16, but getting called a ****** 50 times a day got old fast, and with PC gaming targeting an older audience mostly, you don't have to deal with that crap.
[Off-topic] a.cid:
I was at my local gaming cafe´, and there was this game Blur.

I thought it was pretty cool, since I am a fan of the original Most Wanted (nfs).

[The Run and MostWanted latest felt too meh]

Anybody tried it yet?
[Off-topic] ZacksBuilds:
I built my own gaming PC for 1000$.

GTX 660 sc

I5 2500k 3.7ghz

Corsair 16gb 1600mhz

But I render and edit. I game but also want the stable 60fps. I get that on bf3 and my temperature never goes above 60 degrees Celsius.
[Off-topic] Seraz007:
yes finished it a long time ago :p

yea it was cool but the handling was a bit difficult

anyways be on the look for "The Crew"

its gonna be epic! :eek::D

Sent from my Katana

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even though i love my pc, i can't help but feel sad for the people stuck with just a pc and can't play the best game of 2013 AKA the last of us :silly:

Sent from my Katana
[Off-topic] Zephyr!:
Mw3 2013 is a crap, atleast for me. Controls are very bad.

Hp 2010 was the best EA NFS for me

Press thanks if you like my work/advice
[Off-topic] Seraz007:
for me its still NFS Most wanted (earlier one)

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[Off-topic] Gogeta:
Burnout if you like to trash cars:p
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
Rigs of rods if you want more crash physics.
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
It has powerups, has real cars, arcady steering ans speeds. I liked it, the graphics style is also good. Its a good game but nothing like NFS.

andbody knows any games that are simmilar to Re-Volt ?

I really want to play anotehr RC car race, game that has powerups and lots of RC cars...
[Off-topic] hanisod:
Dat game.........

I remember it

Hmmmmmmm

You tried insane 2?

Not exactly an RC car racing

But really fun in the same way :/
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
RC Pro Am!!

Damn that game was hard..
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
Sounds good, I like the game. Just checked some youtube videos of it. Thanks for the suggestion.
[Off-topic] vj_dustin:
I'd first like to say that is one huge ass post that must have taken a lot of time to write.

blur is (was for me), an awesome game. Haven't come across anything similar since.

But the reason it is a "was" for me are the graphics.

I know don't judge a game by its graphics but I really couldn't replay it. So if you never tried it, give it a shot.

Ah the awesome memories.

Also just a public FYI, revolt is now on Android too :D

Sent.... Just sent!
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Woot! Going to check now..
[Off-topic] hanisod:
Sure :D

Also

Check crashday

It's from 2006

But used to be hell lot of fun for me :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfUmzTyHbAA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crashday
[Off-topic] diestarbucks:
Some things in life that don't matter:

Kardashians

NASCAR

What I ate for breakfast

How soon you have to be to the gym

Arguing which is better for gaming, PC or Consoles

Try to show some maturity.
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Why?

I wanna know that:D
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
CELL is not actually a major failure, but RSX gpu and additional R5900/R4000 cores to support backwards compatibility was.

Sony had to integrate these chips because:

-not every dev knew how to manage spe cores properly at that time. Basically meaning, cell sucks.

-PS3 cell has adapted a different architecture than its's predecessors, so you cant run it natively. instead they could run it by using a recompiler to generate instructions from MIPS to what PPC understands.

-PS2's R5900 processor can also be emulated like PS1 R3000, but unfortunately, that processor uses the company's own 128bit custom instructions, rather than a simple 32bit MIPS.

It also had lots of components such as two VPUs and wired to DMA wired to fast IOP and fast RDRAM for making VPUs able to support R4000. Emulating this out of sync can cause serious troubles.

remember, there were good first party titles for PS3 in the beginning yet it still have gotten much attention due to the high pricing than its competitor: the xbox 360.

Its all because of these addons sony has made.

Ever heard they dropped PS2 backwards compatibility by taking out R5900 chip to save more cash, a long time ago? I heard they are now making a good emulator designed for 64bit PPC architecture to run a PS2 DLC.
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Yeah, they took the Emotion Engine chip out of PS3 to lower the manifacturing costs thus making the console cheaper, because not every console player wanted to give Sony their 600$ even despite Sony having a rather interesting launch title line-up (though the start was still a one big loss)
[Off-topic] Seraz007:
oh god this brought back some memories

thanks man

Always used to play with Harvester :D:D

Sent from my Katana
[Off-topic] P1NK13P13:
So glad you didn't add Starbucks to the list . Console wars are extremely immature. We discuss consoles like adults & we all solely agree that the PS3 is the best one :p
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
Ive played this in my pentiumII PC when i was a 9yr old kid.

this was my first and the best driving game i have ever experienced along with driver: you are the wheelman, and colin mcrae rally 2.0:D

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cell has only one cpu with 8 (not entirly)useless fancy boosters, while xenon has 2 cores multithreaded and another one core remaining.

Technically speaking, xbox360 is actually better in terms of simple hardware design. they have 5 logic threads(all easily portable to this console).
[Off-topic] 063_XOBX:
False. The cell is a single "managing processor" with 7 SPE's it delegates tasks to and an 8th as a redundancy. Vector processing murders scalar in anything other than a single task. If you don't understand something, oversimplifying it is only going to make you understand it even less.
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Just played Dust: An Elysian Tail.

I like it

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
Duh. Fancy booster is the right word for that.

Those spe cores are all just floating point calculators or simply calling FPUs.

There is another part called EIB bus that acheives the title as what you call 'managing processor' or a 'vector core'

you only utilize ppe if you want, as this is the main core, but spe cores are optional. Get your facts right.

also, one task that you mention is a one instruction for one calculation. For example, a floating point.

each cores divides those calculations separately and then gathers up when one term has completed right back to ppe.

meaning you run 8 cores at the same time, you gain 8 times more floating point calculation speed.
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
Yep, I played this with my celeron 333 mhz, 4mb graphics(Dunno the name), then I got the S3 Savage, 8MB graphics card. and played the demo of this game in low graphics.

Yeah, great times.

My favorite car, since volken turbo was unvailable in the demo, was this car:
[Off-topic] ZacksBuilds:
Guys apples are better than oranges. NO PEARS ARE. OK OK we all know grapes are superior.
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Oranges >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples
[Off-topic] shadowcore:
Sorry, nothing beats strawberries and grapes.
[Off-topic] ZacksBuilds:
I truly hope that was a joke XD
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Well, us, local folks, don't like Apples much (if you know what I mean:p)
[Off-topic] hoholee12:
FTFY;)
[Off-topic] Ichigo:
PS+ free game for July is Battle Field 3

Xbox Gold free game for July is some arcade game called "Defense Grid". :/
[Off-topic] UndisputedGuy:
The art style is beautiful. The gameplay is really nice too, although I prefer the likes of Dishwhasher: Vampire Smile for combat. I need to get round to finishing Dust, along with many other games in my backlog
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Gotta get PS+ ASAP, I've already missed out on a lot of awesome games there...
[Off-topic] CallMeVentus:
Oh, that one! :D

"What's my problem? You."
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Not too much about gaming but kinda,

In went from having no proper internet to this:

That's the 25mbps connection.. they are swapping it to the 50mbps on the 11th..
[Off-topic] vj_dustin:
What

The

Hell.

Sent.... Just sent!
[Off-topic] SteveG12543:
Must be FiOS :D I have the 35/35 plan. I don't pull down that much over WiFi though :/ I blame their router. It's only 802.11 g..

The speed I get on my desktop is in my sig.
[Off-topic] drnecropolis:
Nope, that's Comcast
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
US PS Store has a Summer Blast going on, and EU PS Store has an Apocalyptic Sale now

Also, anybody checked out GT6 demo?
[Off-topic] ABD EL HAMEED:
Just ordered battlefield 3 from UAE waiting now for it to come:victory:

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No words can describe my sorrow with my 1mbps connection:eek:
[Off-topic] hanisod:
Not only you XD
[Off-topic] ABD EL HAMEED:
you live where i live and we don't have anything faster than 24 mbps (which is for companies) they were supposed to bring broadband last july but you know (mursi became president)
[Off-topic] PVL_93_RU:
Free for PS+ BTW this month, yipee! Now I only gotta get Premium and happinness will be delivered
[Off-topic] hanisod:
Yup...........
[Off-topic] Cream$ickleHJ:
Anything Microsoft deserve a kick off the cliff