yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HTC EVO 3D] aagbulos:
Again coming from 1.3, do we flash rom or go through the full shabang by wiping all caches, superwipe, ext4 opt, and then flash rom?

Those who have no issues can you please confirm? Thanks all!
[HTC EVO 3D] JOSIAH1979:
Everything seems to be going well, EXCEPT native screen shot. Still not working... That is the only thing that never works for me.
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Weird it works on mine. Dumb question, but how are you doing it?

Sent from my Infected EVO3D! Virus, you rock!
[HTC EVO 3D] WhiteRasta:
screenshot

mine was working also , reflashed 1.4 and now its not working ..
[HTC EVO 3D] drgonzo712:
I was coming from 1.3.1 and all I did was wipe cache and dalvik. Working fine. The only issue I had was when I rebooted, it would always boot twice and on the 2nd boot if I had 4G on it would bork it. Then I turned 4G off before the 2nd boot and then it fixed it. Kinda odd. No native screen shot (not an issue). Other than that, working like a charm with lots of smoothieness!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] thajacka:
only problem i have is non sufficient memory errors when updating certain apps, i did full wipes twice before flashing, and also had to wipe and reflash.
[HTC EVO 3D] jimlightner:
Lol...thanx...
[HTC EVO 3D] pwnyourace:
Alarm volume has been full along with media and all others, I've tried a new alarm tone everyday. Whatever I guess I went back to my CyanogenMod rom I put together and ill just live without the 3d til it gets implemented
[HTC EVO 3D] cobraboy85:
download alarm clock extreme free from the market...

should fix the issue. test it out, though.

this is exactly why i wanted a testing template for users... this was one of the items included on my list - the alarm. it may work for everybody but you, just how it goes sometimes, but either way, you need to test key functions such as this before you use them. lesson learned.
[HTC EVO 3D] thermus:
For those having issues with 3D images, please go into recovery and wipe cache and dalvik cache. This fixed this error for me.

Oh Noez! My 3VO is Infected for Eternity!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] deedee305:
Were is the update 1.4 link in the lock rings link plz.
[HTC EVO 3D] NYCHitman1:
I'm experiencing some great batt life on 1.4 - first charge too!
[HTC EVO 3D] MFD00M:
follow the same links for 1.3

lock rings are in the 2nd post.
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
In the first two posts.

Download the roms here...

( From post #1)

The lockrings are in the pictures on the second post here Just click on the ring you want and it will start the download.

Edit-

LOL, MFD00M! You beat me to it!
[HTC EVO 3D] bluerjb:
Loving 1.4 only a two problems that I've noticed.

1: Custom slpash screens won't flash. When flashing on bootloader says parsing the goes back to boot loader.

2: The large music widget isn't transparent anymore. Shows a white box behind the album cover.
[HTC EVO 3D] mobgod:
Ok I can't find this tread but does the two way recording work also what is it called please

Sent From My Rooted 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] nhutpham:
I also have problems with the full screen music widget. Is this happening to everyone?
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Yup, same here (the music one).
[HTC EVO 3D] brolz:
Another great update to an already great ROM. Loving the new features. I'm using the android lock screen. Look sgreat and clean.

Question: Will it be possible for in option in Infected Tweaks to move the date and time on the lock screen? I like where the time is on the android lockscreen but I also want to use the new lock rings.

Either way awesome ROM as always!
[HTC EVO 3D] lexusmike:
+1

10char

Sent from my Premium XDA app
[HTC EVO 3D] theotrman:
I have the same issue with the large HTC Music Widget. Everthing else smooth as butta!
[HTC EVO 3D] pwnyourace:
What I found was really weird tho was if I made an alarm to go off in a min it would ring, but my 5 am alarm would never ring, and its not like I was sleeping through it it just wasn't ringing cuz I tested it one day and got up a few mins before it and it didn't ring, then I went to CyanogenMod and then went back and tried 1.4 and it didn't ring thismorning so I just went back to cm7
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Does anyone have these problems? If not I might just try to reflash tonight...
[HTC EVO 3D] fastamx79:
So far the only issue I have noticed with 1.4 is a cosmetic one..

At work my phone will go into 1x on Sprint, or into roam (also 1x) and the 1x icon will show up (all white for idle) then as soon as data is used (both up and down stream) the icon will turn back into a 3G icon even though the phone is still on 1x

Other than that everything seems smooth :D
[HTC EVO 3D] Xpertss:
Are you a heavy user? Can you tap on where it say 21hrs which takes you to the detailed usage and post a screen shot of that?
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
Hello, I'm new to the evo 3d, had the 4G and sprint replaced it with the 3d. I'm rooted with HTC unlock on 1.5 hboot. I've got the rom flashed but i'm having serious black screen and reboots and freezing, i want to try a different kernel but i'm not sure how to go about and flashing a custom kernel. When i flashed virus's rom i extracted the boot.img and flashed via adb boot loader and then flashed the rom via recovery. I want to try a different kernel? I've googled and searched the forums but i am not completely sure how to flash the custome kernel on it's own. Any help would be appreciated, thanks
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
Wallpaper Request?????

Can some one make me some Infected Rom wallpapers? I want them in the black and white with the infected rom green highlights.
[HTC EVO 3D] cobraboy85:
Had the same issue a few versions back on this rom… and a couple times on other roms too. I’m tellin you, download that alarm app and use it, it will fix the issue. The stock alarm clock sucks balls.

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man... you can put a cup on that booty

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see the second post of this thread man. great tutorial on how to flash anything while on 1.5 hb
[HTC EVO 3D] DOG666:
Once you download the kernel you want, you flash the zip file you get in recovery. Put the zip file on your sd card, & boot into recovery, then just find the zip file & flash it.
[HTC EVO 3D] DOG666:
+ 1 I too would love some wallpapers/splashscreens outta' these :-)
[HTC EVO 3D] spinx1337:
is there a way to put the dock from warm twopointthree on this rom? not sure if its a certain launcher or what but it looks cool
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
Tried flashing bcblend-shooter-sense-0.03 and it didn't take. Using TWRP Recovery
[HTC EVO 3D] spinx1337:
Yep........ or you can use Kernel Manager app from the market
[HTC EVO 3D] nkawal:
Head On over to www.infectedrom.com join the chat box and ask damage_them. He's always on there and he can make anything green or theme anything.
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
I'm on HTC Unlock with S-ON, do i need to rename the file to boot.img and flash through adb flash boot.img ?
[HTC EVO 3D] Nevell:
Not sure if anyone else is having this problem but my gmail app isn't working for me. It doesn't send my msgs on WiFi, 3G, or 4G. It doesn't even delete my emails.
[HTC EVO 3D] damage_them:
yo!..i can do them..but your instructions arent clear i get the black and white but green highlights..where...ill whip something up as to what i think u mean
[HTC EVO 3D] theotrman:
The booty pic!!! Girl w/ white and green striped dress!!! Damm!!!

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White and green dress???
[HTC EVO 3D] ejchis:
Hey V. I'm loving 1.4. Everything except screen capture is working perfectly, and this one is just as smooth for me as the previous releases. Thanks for your constant hard work.

I remember a week or two ago you mentioning something about putting together a theme for Swiftkey X. Is that still in the works? I love that keyboard, and an Eternity-matching theme would be pretty awesome.
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
The Green accents would be their clothes or bikini. White and Green dress is exactly what I meant.
[HTC EVO 3D] theotrman:
Bad AZZ!!! That would be smokin!
[HTC EVO 3D] weezymagic:
I'm just using the native browser on 1.3. I haven't done anything special
[HTC EVO 3D] Xpertss:
Best ROM ever!

V,

I will have to say that hands down this is the best rom. Best battery life I was able to get with heavy use and yet without compromising performance or stability. Truly your hard work is much appreciated!

thanks again!
[HTC EVO 3D] birchs:
The only issue I have had so far is I get a force close when dismissing an exchange meeting reminder. I superwiped before flashing 1.4 from 1.3.
[HTC EVO 3D] aseercte:
I don't want to sound like a noob but how do you install costume lock rings

INFECTED "EVO 3d" ROCKING ETERNITY1.4 ROM
[HTC EVO 3D] kittykat858:
got detailed directions here -> http://infectedrom.com/showthread.php/552-How-to-install-a-kernel-AND-rom-on-S-ON-hboot-1.50-phones.

(and in the 2nd post of this thread)
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Trough the recovery, the same way as the rom. At least thats how I did it.
[HTC EVO 3D] gabstr12:
Just flash away
[HTC EVO 3D] aseercte:
But I don't see any links or downloads to the lock rings

INFECTED "EVO 3d" ROCKING ETERNITY1.4 ROM
[HTC EVO 3D] damage_them:
is this what u wanted shaun? cuz i didnt really understand your directions
[HTC EVO 3D] drgonzo712:
Click on the lock ring you want and BAM!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Oh, click on the picture of the one that you want and it will start the download for it.
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
I've read it several times, I guess were i'm confused is how to flash a custom kernel.

In step 4 would i rename the "Whatever kernel here".zip to boot.img, This is where i'm confused, sorry

I've flashed the boot.img from the rom with no problem, it's the custome kernels that i'm having problems with.

Step 1 - open the rom you downloaded using winrar, or 7zip, and copy the boot.img file somewhere (the same folder that contains the tools you used to unlock your phone would be a perfect place)

Step 2 - open a command prompt (or terminal window), and goto the window that contains the tools you used to unlock your boot loader

Step 3 - reboot your phone into fastboot (abd reboot bootloader)

Step 4 - from the command prompt enter the following command:

fastboot flash boot boot.img

then press [enter]

Step 5 - reboot your phone and enjoy (fastboot reboot)
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Derpa... missread. I think that you can just flash it like the boot.img, but not sure. Someone smarter than me will know...
[HTC EVO 3D] aseercte:
Thanks

INFECTED "EVO 3d" ROCKING ETERNITY1.4 ROM
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
ok, I understand that, But i want to flash bcblend or tiamat kernel, how do i go about flashing one of those, that's where i'm confused. Sorry and thanks.

My Wifi is borked now :-(
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
This is great too, but can you make one with the bikini green instead of black and can you move the logo over to the right and up by where her arm is bent?
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Yeah, sorry... I missread your post... That is something that I would like to know, too. I think that you are on the right path but I am not sure. If nobody smarter than me answers you buy the time I get home I'll see if I can get a good answer for you.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
Quick one...
[HTC EVO 3D] damage_them:
now i understand what u want before i didnt..lol
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
Recent items?

Were the Recent Items removed from the notification bar again? I know before I had to click and hold where it says "InfetedRom" and the recent items would pop up. Now nothing

Any ideas?
[HTC EVO 3D] mobgod:
So just download this and flash correct ?

Sent From My Rooted 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
Thanks, I think i have it figured out.

1.power off and enter fastboot, then adb fastboot boot recovery.img, it'll boot into recovery and then flash the kernel from there.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
You need to rename to PG86IMG.zip and throw it on the root of your SD card. Then reboot to bootloader and follow the directions there. Make sure you go back into your file manager after it reboots and delete the file or change the name- otherwise the bootloader will constantly try to update...
[HTC EVO 3D] Thatonedude:
where can I get the original Sense 3.0 lockring? I've tried to flash some that I've found around and they're not working. Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
I got this from here:

So what I'm getting from this is put the kernel file on your sd card and do the code in above...
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
Thanks, I finally figured it out a few minutes ago. WiFi is working again and it shows bcblend in in the settings about kernel.
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Gee, thanks! LOL Did you do it like the post above? Or some other way?
[HTC EVO 3D] mobgod:
Hate to keep up on this but that should be my boot screen only correct bc I did see it than it stopped just asking

Sent From My Rooted 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] Rob_ec:
WHY IS MY BATTERY SUCH A BUZZKILL?

I woke up and that battery drained 30 % while i was asleep?

thatssssss waccck!
[HTC EVO 3D] fr0st420:
In 11 hours I dropped 11% while sleeping. That's about average for me. 1% per hour.
[HTC EVO 3D] 6666:
So I uninstalled opera and flash, Installed an older version of Flash

com.adobe.flashplayer.v10.3.185.21.apk

which I got here: http://www.mediafire.com/?ktt26yv3j6jt1iv

I installed opera mobile from the markete and it still shuts down right after opening. What am I missing?

I swear I updated my flash a couple of days ago and it worked fine in Opera on the stock rom.

/on InfectedROM_Eternity_RLS-1.4.zip with Kernal: Tiamat_Sense.zip

Any suggestions?
[HTC EVO 3D] ILA970JOSH:
Yes, but the recovery.img is in the same directory as adb.exe on your PC.

Run command from where adb is located and put your recovery.img and kernel in the same directory.

On your PC. Once it boots into recovery you flash the kernel as normal. Hope this sounds right.
[HTC EVO 3D] BAttitude7689:
I flashed 1.4 and it was just laggy at times n scrolling pretty much sucked but 1.3 was truly amazing I flashed a new kernel and a little improvment well I just decided to wipe my cache and dalvik cache 3 times and then reflash 1.4 on top of 1.4 and omg night and day difference now its running flawlessly still no screen shot but no big deal
[HTC EVO 3D] Rob_ec:
lol i could deal with that!!

i only slept about 8 hours maybe

what rom u using and kernel?im just looking for a stable one i dont like flashing alot but i tend to do it lol:D
[HTC EVO 3D] kwrose14:
Kernels and mac address

Is there a preferred kernel that runs better than stock, and is there a way I can find out the mac address for my wifi, bluetooth, and 4G as they are not listed there any longer.

Thanks for any input and assistance.
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Yup that makes sense to me! T/Y!
[HTC EVO 3D] shaun0207:
YES. THIS IS PERFECT! Sorry about the late reply, i was in a meeting

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I using these as my wallpaper too. If you could do the same to other pics that would be great.
[HTC EVO 3D] peekeesh:
Were you on wifi? Try checking if your phone goes to sleep when using wifi.

My phone doesnt go to sleep when its on wifi and it drains the batt real fast. So i disable wifi before i go to bed. Not sure how to fix it though.
[HTC EVO 3D] Virus:
LINK is up guys ENJOY!!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] B-Mod:
LOL............
[HTC EVO 3D] felacio:
Ooh. Jesus. Well Exccuuuse me for asking a simple question :-P

*glares at you*

I'd punch you right in the nose.... Lolol.

*mumble*
[HTC EVO 3D] thizzlemania91:
lol

did you know the bird is the word?
[HTC EVO 3D] cobraboy85:
kjasddkjfa;dlskjfa;ldkjf;aldsjfl;adsjfl;askdjf

"I'M buying you a BEER mcLOVIN!!"

*bows down*
[HTC EVO 3D] dlbaker1179:
Thanks V The Betas Been Great, Bout To DL Now!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] THunDA:
I think I just got a woody when I saw this.. :D
[HTC EVO 3D] dfskevinohyeah:
they both were/are using Thyrus's sick ass theme! sorry but this was a "one man show" rom. . . Virus doesn't have a dedicated themer like the Warm team does.
[HTC EVO 3D] lexusmike:
Hell yeah, thanks virus

Sent from my Premium XDA app
[HTC EVO 3D] nkawal:
Schwing....

B2 has been awesome and flawless since release, gonna run this now.
[HTC EVO 3D] cobraboy85:
damn... i lawl'd hard there. rofl
[HTC EVO 3D] dfskevinohyeah:
Loving the jokes in this forum keep them up! lol
[HTC EVO 3D] kittykat858:
i love this rom!! freakin fast as hell
[HTC EVO 3D] beastmods:
wowwww download is slow.....server must be getting slammed.

anyone have a mirror for rls1?
[HTC EVO 3D] nkawal:
VIRUS, i see you went back to stock kernal instead of the Remix Kernal in B2. I've been getting excellent battery out of B2. Can you enlighten on the change in kernal.
[HTC EVO 3D] thirtyisntdanu20:
OMG! Yesssss! I'm so about to flash this like now!
[HTC EVO 3D] dfskevinohyeah:
seriously my download suddenly stopped at 259 lol
[HTC EVO 3D] Joey_UFC:
can this be flashed with 1.50?
[HTC EVO 3D] Virus:
mirror on the way up guys!!!
[HTC EVO 3D] GODZSON:
Props homie... like er1 sayn about time :p (j/k) going to need to add that mod Leo gots for the 8MP cam :)

Just checking the scene tonight.
[HTC EVO 3D] reverepats:
Yeah I've heard of it before....but the thing is, are u letting it reboot automatically after it makes the change?....always got a boot loop wit it before....thanks man
[HTC EVO 3D] iModMM:
Hey viper I messages you asking for a small favor! If you could check inbox, that'd be awesome! Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] Flip35:
Hey I had that problems but I found a thread where somebody had a file created with a bunch of fonts n explained how to extract n out those fonts in the font changer folder n that's how I got it to work n now is really easy ,just pick the font n reboot ,I tried to find it for u but i couldn't
[HTC EVO 3D] gfullwr70:
Also getting 4k+ with bcblend clocked to 1.78 performance gov. This ROM is smoking. Great work Virus.
[HTC EVO 3D] ScrapMaker:
Also having a problem with apps not restoring properly. I even wiped the cache/dalvik and rebooted, but the apps still won't restore.
[HTC EVO 3D] Rtistique:
how to change the green eternity at the bottom of your notifications???
[HTC EVO 3D] apatcas:
+1 please bring back the languages. i use romanian prediction and my girlfriend spanish and we both can't type for ****.

So please Virus if you can, bring the bilingual language packs back.
[HTC EVO 3D] thesparky007:
dont let it do the restart... it attempts a hot restart and somehow it gets borked so just do a manual restart and you will be good to go
[HTC EVO 3D] cwirth7:
Best. Rom. Evar.
[HTC EVO 3D] random1204:
I just sent two texts to my friend.

It said they failed.

He calls me 2 minutes later saying "You f*cker restart your phone"

I asked him why, and apparently I'd been sending him the same message over 20 times so far...

Any reason why? or is it just an sms failure problem (aka Sprint's fault...which wouldn't surprise me).
[HTC EVO 3D] 87Octane:
Same prob here. This same thing also happened to me on Synergy. I have not been able to figure out why.
[HTC EVO 3D] .:[K]!nG_D:.:
sweeeeettttt V. red is my favorite color but for some reason black and green just looks sooo sick to me ha im going to give this baby a try.
[HTC EVO 3D] Virus:
try this uninstall flash and redownload from the market
[HTC EVO 3D] twe90kid:
hey,

does a2sd work on this rom? Thanks!
[HTC EVO 3D] McLabia:
Im curious on why people use a2sd on phones that aren't memory crippled.

Sent from my rooted, Dark Horse INFECTED Synergy bolt running Ziggys latest.
[HTC EVO 3D] 87Octane:
Yep seems like flash is the prob. I uninstalled flash and redownload but Opera still broke. I then unistalled flash and tried Opera again and it worked! I could not get opera to work with flash installed. Oh well no Opera is small price to pay I am loving this rom to much to nand back to previous setup.
[HTC EVO 3D] Mayonesa:
May not be the rom, could be a problem at sprint. It has happened before, the system on sprint part doesn't think it send the text so it sends it again..
[HTC EVO 3D] hypersonicx:
5 Stars

Wow. What a smooth fast ROM.

Everything is so smooth on this Rom. For example swiping through the 7 pages is very smooth like liquid. No jitters or lag at all.

This might have to be the best 3D ROM I have been on to date.

Nice
[HTC EVO 3D] Vandelay007:
Virus, man, you have out done yourself.... Awesome!!

Sent from my s-off'd 3VO
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
It's a splash screen. Stays for a few seconds before the boot animation kicks in...
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
I'll work on the others tomorrow, I had to get the hell outta the office before they trapped me there. Glad you likez tho...
[HTC EVO 3D] 1FstYOTA:
Were do I get the girl with the green wallpaper for this rom? Can't seem to find it.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
Lots of girls/green wallpapers round here. Can you be more specific?
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
Ugh...

Yup, just reflashed and reset everything and the only 'Infected Tweak" that works is the 'hide' option... am I doing it wrong?
[HTC EVO 3D] 1FstYOTA:
My bad the one that must came with the rom the girl with the green clothe thing over her.
[HTC EVO 3D] mattinky11:
That's the original wp and its in HTC wallpapers when you go into the chooser...
[HTC EVO 3D] 1FstYOTA:
Unfortunatly I'm on a evo4g so I don't have this rom to get the wp, so was wondering if I could download it from a link or something.
[HTC EVO 3D] JOSIAH1979:
Hold down the POWER button and push the capacitive HOME button. The screen flashes, but produces a white screen and a 0kb file just like the other versions.

This time I went back to stock EVERYTHING, then went through the flash process.
[HTC EVO 3D] xdrakos:
LOL, well I went and re-flashed everything (to try and get the infected tweaks working) and now my screen shot does the same thing... So do you have the same problem as me?

And I don't want you to think I was being a d!ck, I was just curious...
[HTC EVO 3D] :
Dumb question here, I know, but...

how do I re-ennable haptic feedback?

EDIT: Nevermind, it started working again on restart
[HTC EVO 3D] DOG666:
Hey guys, quick question, is this rom better overclocked with setcpu, or the oc daemon? I'm currently using ziggy's oc kernel from the op, & wanted some feedback, maybe even share your setcpu/daemon settings?

Also a big thanks to virus for this beast of a rom, be on the lookout for a donation from me soon, appreciate all your hard work.

Sent from my infected htc shooter with 3 d's
[HTC EVO 3D] slackwaresupport:
anyone having a prob flashing the splashes?
[HTC EVO 3D] danaff37:
They're in the /system/customize/resource folder of the ROM. I'm on the phone in class or in would upload for ya.
[HTC EVO 3D] ejchis:
Is anyone able to download clock skins from within Beautiful Widgets? I get an error when I try.
[HTC EVO 3D] 1FstYOTA:
Oh, cool, appericate it my man.
[HTC EVO 3D] MFD00M:
Yes, i tried to flash the last one (gas mask with reflection in the lens) through bootloader with no luck. Had stock splash when it booted up.
[HTC EVO 3D] NYCHitman1:
I'd like to consider myself a heavy user. I'm always playing a game or watching a video on YouTube/Netflix. I send a lot of text msgs and emails daily as well.

Unfortunately, I already juiced up and the previous statistics wiped, but I will post after this charge deteriorates.

On a side note, is anyone having issues w/ camcorder crashing (No FC, just reg crash) on v1.4?
[HTC EVO 3D] luckylui:
Is the ziggy kernels working for everyone? Jw, seeing if i should give it a spin.. does it still have those problems..

hTc
[HTC EVO 3D] theotrman:
Can you make the background black instead of white?

Love the green accents though!
[HTC EVO 3D] itsachirpthing:
Anyone have the Swype from 1.3? Love to have this back. Thanks.
[HTC EVO 3D] zadias:
And I the only one that the HTC music widget disappeared on?
[HTC EVO 3D] damage_them:
iight...now i guess this is it
[HTC EVO 3D] DOG666:
Damn! That's ****en' awesome! You should do the other two like that too :-)

Sent from my infected htc shooter with 3 d's
[HTC EVO 3D] mobgod:
One question is that a wallpaper or for boot only

Sent From My Rooted 3D
[HTC EVO 3D] bigmase23:
I am curious about this also :)