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[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] D_one:
I have used multiling keyboard after testing a bunch in the beginning. I think it doesn't get enough attention. No lag, and highly customizable....including the length of long press!

Also doesn't take full screen in landscape.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] lilhaiti:
+1 for Smart Keyboard...nice themes and pretty light weight.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] slimslim:
Indeed, multiling keyboard is nice too, I have it installed it to use it with the thai characters, it's also free.
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] ltdanno360:
perfect keyboard well its just perfect and totally customizable
[Atrix 4G Themes and Apps] AndroidDane:
+1 for perfect keyboard
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] webvan:
Has anyone figured out a way to connect to a WiFi AdHoc network (created by MyWi on iOS or Barnacle on Android) from an HD2 running WP7 or any other WP7 phone for that matter?

I tried the HIDDEN_WIFI.xap tweak but it's not helping, thanks !
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Robbie P:
dual boot and use android;)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] webvan:
Yeah, well the problem is that my Tmobile USA HD2's GSM radio is basically useless in France (signal very low) so that's not really an option.
[Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Mini] jeff67430:
Hello,

I installed MiniCMv7 on mini X10 mini pro. As i have a hardware AZERTY keyboard, i used mini rom manager to change it, and it actually works. But i would know if it was possible to edit it, in order to get those character : à; é; è; ê; ë; ü.

I know it is in a xml file in system, but i don't know what for a file... Thanks !!
[LG Optimus 3D] mancuk29:
Ive just played a 3d pic which works perfect in 3d on the evo on the o3d it plays in.split screen ive pressed 3d button and toggled between 3d and 2d it makes no difference . The video is converted to mp4

Thanks
[LG Optimus 3D] PROTOCHIP:
Dear mancuk29,

In 3D mode, press menu button ( left to home ) and choose 3D formatter to select the right format... Mostly far left option is used... Hope this helps...

Kind regards,
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
i just called the synpatics technical support department in the U.S (0018774054163) and asked them weather the T1021A is a Clearpad 1000 or a Clearpad 2000 ?.......

and the answer was "according to documentation" IT IS a clearpad 2000 that is capable of registering 2 simultaneous touch points at the same time...

that was exactly what the support guy told me so i guess now it is confirmed that the T1021A is a clearpad 2000 unless synpatics guys know nothing about the stuff they produce

i can call them back anytime and get any further needed information, i guess it's getting more exciting for us now.....

thanks

Edit : Even if the clearpad 2000 got "buggy" dual touch it's still sufficient for playing games with it ;)

- as shown in the first "test" video some times the touches register in the wrong position (inversed location) specially when the axis of the 2 touches is crossed, but still IT IS enough for handling multi touch games like in the Nokia n8 , HTC legend and ztc blade not to mention the Google nexus one....

Edit 2 : an example of what a clearpad 2000 can do is shown in these videos (using a ZTE Blade which is a clearpad 2000 of course).....

Video #1 multitouch test (Skip the first minute)

[YOUTUBE]oxt8pNMJVNc[/YOUTUBE]

Video #2 Assassin's Creed (can run in any direction and jump @ the same time)

[YOUTUBE]vNSkZ7a2dis[/YOUTUBE]

Video #3 Fifa 10 (Can run in any direction and shoot or pass @ the same time)

[YOUTUBE]qmFtfuOKBg0[/YOUTUBE]

Edit 3 : It is believed that sony not only crippled the touch screen driver BUT also the touch screen controller chip firmware that is loaded into the touch screen digitizer chip itself !! that's why we can still not get a functional DT and i believe this is right so at least now we know what we exactly got here and maybe a solution can be found over time...

Edit 4 : Ok called them again BUT couldn't get any firmware from them heck they didn't even know what a firmware is.....

But on the brighter side i got another CONFIRMATION from the marketing department this time that the T1021A is sold as a "clearpad 2000" Dual Touch Solution.....

Edit 5 : for x10 mini twin discussion thread go to >>> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1283495
[XPERIA X8 General] GHoSTABUD:
Nice news, at last...

Edit:can u call them back and ask for a sample code for dual touch?? through a link or via email maybe.
[XPERIA X8 General] jkrauser2:
That's what I'm talking about! Never lose the spirit! Booyah!

At least they don't talk like Sh!tEricsson..
[XPERIA X8 General] chewdaniel:
iirc, there was a discussion about that the hardware IS indeed capable of MT, just the digitizer firmware isn't....

and why is there a new thread? o.O
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
no digitizer is not capable of "multi" touch , just dual touch with some bugs but still good enough for games and i guess nobody ever got a "spoken" confirmation from synaptics that the T1021A is indeed a clearpad 2000 , that's why i made a new thread :D

peace out mr.daniel
[XPERIA X8 General] Kurinkita:
Let's get this straight:

The hardware is capable of registering at least 2 simultaneous touch points, but the firmware it's not. It sounds really strange, why would they nerf their hardware?

If so, I'm pretty sure the firmware could be updated, maybe they can give a clue or clear instructions like, you know, how?
[XPERIA X8 General] MatthewWu:
Look at this:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Multitouch

and Ctrl - F , type multitouch. It says it can multitouch. Notebook synaptics touch can dt, why we cant??
[XPERIA X8 General] fifo171:
we can have dt, we just need some dev who will make it for us :)
[XPERIA X8 General] SpliFFdu95240:
It s for computer

Maybe this site ( http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/full-working-multitouch-on-the-t-mobile-g1-android-phone/ and http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/how-to-use-multi-touch-in-android-2/1747?tag=rbxccnbzd1 ) can help dev
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
sorry, this doesn't have anything to do with out T1021A chip.....
[XPERIA X8 General] ayllu:
Maby can help

https://github.com/cyanogen/htc-kernel-msm7227-exp

https://github.com/cyanogen/htc-ker...5/drivers/input/touchscreen/synaptics_t1021.c

Look at this, maybe can help, is a Synaptic T1021 driver for HTC, ok is not T1021a driver but i guess could help for develop if its possible.
[XPERIA X8 General] proadi96:
Hope somebody will make it work :)
[XPERIA X8 General] gezn:
clearpad 2000 synaptics info

to clarify the situation of the clearpàd 2000 series here es the official technical information of synaptics synaptics.com/sites/default/files/190-000129-01-Rev-C-CP2K.pdf

in the pdf clarify that, "ClearPad 2000 provides DualTouch interaction, supporting single-finger input and two-finger gestures including Pinch and Pivot Rotate. The ClearPad 2000 is the ideal and proven solution for today’s user interfaces."

the clearpad 2100 official description state "The ClearPad™ 2100 is Synaptics’ latest evolution of the most widely used touchscreen technology to date, enabling full DualTouch interaction and gestures."

so with the clearpad 2000 we won't have a full dual touch experience.
[XPERIA X8 General] jkrauser2:
All we want to have is this:

We've already knew that. We just need a better fake dual touch as stated here:
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
Well yes we know that that's why I said "dual touch with bugs" as shown in the first "test" video some times the touches register in the wrong position (inversed location) specially when the axis of the 2 touches is crossed, but still IT IS enough for handling multi touch games like in the Nokia n8 , HTC legend and ztc blade not to mention the Google nexus one....
[XPERIA X8 General] wujekandrzej:
so... what is the barrier now? what else do we need to make our dreams of dualtouch on synaptics come true?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
A "willing" Dev with lotta free time :D
[XPERIA X8 General] WielebnyRay_PL:
Great news! We will wait until someone does this for us!
[XPERIA X8 General] bogdan_mihai554:
This is great news :)

Synaptics rocks SE sucks XD!
[XPERIA X8 General] Graveir:
I guess that if the chip was already capable of this buggy dual touch, doixanh would have done that. What troubles me is he couldn't make it detect two arbitrary press points. SE might have created limitations within the chip itself, changing its firmware. If so, we need to exchange the firmware of the chip itself, not the driver within android - well, this two, but it would be the second stage.

Seems like a hell lot of work to do. But hey, we do have tremendous devs :)
[XPERIA X8 General] MatthewWu:
Hope there is a dev that develop sypnatics dt. :D
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
I'll call them again later in 2 or 3 days (because i'm not home now) and ask for the original firmware maybe they will give it to Me....

About dx, he will not do it because he is not willing to do it and we respect that of course and he already gave this community alot *respect*
[XPERIA X8 General] MatthewWu:
so you want to develop it? it's great!
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
I'm not a dev I'll try to get the original chip firmware from synpatics technical support and post it here to help any dev who is willing to help.....
[XPERIA X8 General] Graveir:
I know dx stopped developing this module, but that was due to pointless complaining of noobs, and because he didn't need anything more, but on the time he was still developing it he was trying various solutions, and genius that he is, I don't really believe he would miss any opportunity to make his module pick two arbitrary touch points. That's why I think something is screwed within X8 synaptic chip itself... Maybe if some dev flashes it with original synaptic firmware it will be capable of DT similar as the one in ZTE blade :)
[XPERIA X8 General] Blagus:
If you can get original FW for digitizer, then you can make DT :D

We can't read existing FW because RMI4 protocol doesn't support it.

That was said maaany times already.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
Ok lets see if the synaptics technical support guys will agree to give me the original firmware or not......

I hope they co-operate and don't block this approach....
[XPERIA X8 General] wujekandrzej:
so, did you contact them?
[XPERIA X8 General] damian824:
i don't think they will give it to him, most of this stuff is under NDA or other kind of agreements to prevent this from happening.

the best solution in that case would be to go in person, and "ask" ($$$) someone from there for a copy
[XPERIA X8 General] Japos:
Wow, lets hope there will be true multitouch, the community keeps doing what SE should be doing.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
I didn't call them yet cause I'm not home maybe for another day....

Hope they will agree to give us some clue.....
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
update : ok called them again BUT couldn't get any firmware from them heck they didn't even know what a firmware is.....

just got another CONFIRMATION from the marketing department this time that the T1021A is sold as a "clearpad 2000" Dual Touch Solution.....

why we had to be so unlucky why we the only ones with a clearpad 2000 who can't have a taste of DT, such a bad luck.....but a man get what he gets, that's life anyways :)
[XPERIA X8 General] proadi96:
So there is any other way to get thay dt or we are fuc**d?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
idk maybe something will come up in time , who knows....
[XPERIA X8 General] corrado113:
Now that Sony Ericsson is cooperating (as evidenced by the desire to help for camera libraries), can we ask them for the digitizer firmware?
[XPERIA X8 General] Graveir:
If ZTE Blade has the same synaptic digitizer can't we just get their firmware?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
not only the ZTE blade but also the HTC legend got the exact same chip model....

but blagus said that the "firmware" that is loaded on the chip itself (or at least that's what i understood) can't be ripped by normal methods due to some limitations and please correct me on this blagus if you are reading this....

thanks guys !

i.e. SE just made it an extra level harder to get DT :mad:
[XPERIA X8 General] corrado113:
As Blagus said, RMI4 (Register Mapped Interface :cool:), interface for communication used with Synaptics modules, doesn't support reading the current firmware.

RMI4 allows only to overwrite the firmware :mad:

For details read this from page 99.
[XPERIA X8 General] codfreak:
Why do make a digitizer that supports DT , but put a firmware on it that doesn´t support DT?

That doesn´t make sense.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
Sony Ericsson​

MAKE.Cripple​

To sell "higher" end phones that can do what the "lower" end ones can't do, surprised you didn't know what's the catch :eek:.....​
[XPERIA X8 General] damian824:
Why do make a digitizer that supports DT , but put a firmware on it that doesn´t support DT?

That doesn´t make sense.

happens the same with every piece of hardware in existance.....

cpus for example.in all the model range the core is the same, for instance the i7, they are all the same (if they are the same revision) they just cap it at diferent speeds,to sell the fasters at higher priceses. or do you believe an Intel Extreme Edition really costs $999? they are the same but have unlocked (aka not locked) mutiplier and also not locked other stuff.

Remember sony said that they didn't do ginger for the x8 bcause thy wanted it for the higher priced segment.

in conclusion, u dont get what you pay, u get what they want to give you.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
well said my friend, but SE really gone too far by crippling the chip firmware itself not just the touch screen drivers like other manufacturers.....i will never buy anything from them my next phone will be a samsung ! maybe the galaxy s as it's kinda cheap now......
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Before all, sorry for my english. I'm Brazilian and i'm 13.

Hi all.. This is my first time here. It helped me a lot.

So, if we get the firmware we can get DT.

Have a look: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1004740&page=74

The digitizer firmware is inside n8 firmware??

Also, my dad has a n8.. Nice dt.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
yes where the heck can we get the firmware, i'm out of tricks synaptics themselves didn't know how to help or at least pretended so.....

EDIT : i was just thinking what will happen if we just take the touch screen driver files from the legend's kernel and put them as they are without modifications inside one of our custom kernels i guess if somebody does that we don't have anything to lose , same digitizer and same resolution so if the firmware is blocking dt on our chips at least we will see single touch from the "Raw" legend's touch screen driver files i.e it will not screw anything if we tried that !!

can't we just do that and see what happens !

i'm curious cause nobody tried that before.....
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Great idea.. where we can get legend kernel?

edit- but.. it will need to change all the kernel... or not.. (?)

edit2-- or just modificate the file.
[XPERIA X8 General] Blagus:
Won't work. We really need that firmware. Or we can try to write some guess of what it could be and hope that digitizer won't die.
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
i was thinking about this ("develop" a firmware)...

but if it "die", we dont have the original to replace.. IS there any other way to get the f***in firmware?
[XPERIA X8 General] Blagus:
No. RMI4 protocol doesn't support FW read. Unless you can find somewhere some wild dump.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
i believe nothing is impossible when the human brain is welling to achieve something.....

proud human here lol :D
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Sorry if i'm being noob. But, there is any other similar digitizer that we can take the fw and mod it?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
the "firmware" is stored on the chip it self , we don't have a way yet to dump the firmware from our T1021A chips to the computer so no we can't take the firmware from any similar digitizer on another phone.....
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Yes. I think so.

Edit - so, this is the end?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
end of what , i guess we will have to wait till something new pops up....
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
I know.. we need to wait.. but, for now, we can do nothing.. i hate this. : D
[XPERIA X8 General] Dalthor:
Yeah lets hope they will find a way to make this work...

When you get used to not having dual touch you can acctually play games almost normally but i bet it would be much better with dual touch.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
agreed ! one get used but still the gaming experience feels "un-complete".....
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Yh. I cant play gangstar with dt or use it in nfs. pinch ro zoom is nice. The problem is that the fingers is always crossed. Anyways, its better than nothing.
[XPERIA X8 General] amulecregg:
same...pinch to zoom is nice...but not perfect...it's a Software limitation...u.u
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
yes even the game mood is still not bad the only problem with it is that when you are dealing with the edge of the screen the the first touch shifts location to where the second touch point should have been.....
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
No dev to help :-(
[XPERIA X8 General] fifo171:
there are devs to help, but they haven't synaptics t1021a firmware, so they can't do something :(
[XPERIA X8 General] abaz123:
But if SE is helping CyanogenMod,etc...can't SE provide the firmware to devs ? It's very easy for SE....no ?
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
it's easy but they will never ever do it !

because they are S.E = make.cripple

but they have the chance to prove me wrong of course :rolleyes:

so what's it gonna be SE
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
So.. we need to do something. Not just Se, but htc or other with T1021a fw. What we should do??
[XPERIA X8 General] mati96PL:
Is there any Samsung device with T1021a fw.?

I'm asking because Samsung never has problems with unlocking bootloader or sharing firware to customers. By that way we could easly get this firmware
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
Good idea....

Try making a search
[XPERIA X8 General] viper001:
the problem with releasing the firmware would not be from SE. It would be from Synaptics. Its their HW and Driver.

yeah, maybe someone will get lucky and find a firmware from another machine.
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Yeah. We can ask to someone in synaptics that can give us fw.. or other manufacturer... but, if the fw is from synaptics, samsung can give it to us? ?
[XPERIA X8 General] Bahurs1:
Yeah well I don't think I have a samsung and willing to go ask them something. Great so it's pretty much just talking about the same thing all over the time unless someone decides to actually do something.

The way I see it is pretty hopeless cause getting the firmware seems pretty much like getting the source code for iOS at this point. I really don't thing that samsung is in some way as much as dev friendly as sony is...
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
wow......

Maybe a noob questiono (I'm noob!!).. but, this chip is only used on smartphones?
[XPERIA X8 General] corrado113:
No. It's also used on laptops touchpads.

Sent from my fantastic X8 :-)
[XPERIA X8 General] viper001:
OK. i went on a dig;) and found out that:

1. The T1021A Touch Controller is used on a lot of devices.:D Ex. G1, HTC Dream, MS Kin TWO , x10mini, x10mini pro etc.

2. Notice that the Kin TWO IS A multitouch device and the mini pro is a known dual touch device.:D

3. Confirmed claim of the chip to be capable of multi-touch. (I had my doubts, sorry:o)

4. NOW, we have to find out what Sensor the X8 has;) since the attached drivers for the HTC Dream to enable multitouch, relies on the sensor telling the controller, how many "touchpoints" it has.:rolleyes: (well, that was how i understood the code, someone with far more experience could take a look:D)

4a. i think this is where the designation comes from. ie. The number of sensors determine if its a clearpad 1000, 2000 etc. ofcourse there are other controllers like the T1007A that controls the ClearPad 2000 series capacitive dualtouch sensor used in the Nexus One:D. **hint, hint**

At any rate, I hope somebody can use this.
[XPERIA X8 General] SpliFFdu95240:
x10mini pro have cypress digizer. They have real MT ! ( like some x8 owner )
[XPERIA X8 General] Bahurs1:
real but not true MT
[XPERIA X8 General] viper001:
Yup. 2+1D

Sent from my TI99 4A
[XPERIA X8 General] Kin 753:
Real but not true.. ????
[XPERIA X8 General] Bahurs1:
It can recognize two fingers but it's not meant to be able to. For example x8 Cypress users

(I just watched a documentary of cypress high way. How is the name related?)
[XPERIA X8 General] VitBlack:
real DT on Synaptics ??? ...

Of course, ... if it will be realized for our devices ... it will be very good ... meaning:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X8 General] Bahurs1:
I'm starting to think that when it gets the drivers or what ever is needed to get the dual, I'll probably have some other phone by that time. :( so bad... I blame sony for that.(who is there else to blame?)
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
yes i think the same , i'm already planing to get a new phone maybe the xperia mini pro !
[XPERIA X8 General] corrado113:
Just some news..

I tried to insmod a new driver in kernel but a part from compiling and hijacking I had lots of problem, (touch doesn't work and lots of problems in dmesg) and I'm not so good with these things..

Then I found a old tread where andrej456 tried to do the same thing, without success, and master doixanh :) said that is a firmware problem.

So, I've tried to get some info but without results..

I've asked to a Synaptics guy if he can give us the firmware, but obviusly he can't..

I found a huawei u8160 synaptics driver (attached) where there is an example of fw overwriting: driver searchs in sd, better in /sdcard/update/synaptics.img, for the synaptics driver, if it finds it, then starts the programming.

Obviusly a search in Google for synaptics.img get 0 results.

Seems that there are nothing to do..

In these days I will try to do some other experiment with stock driver, but I think that we will never have dualtouch :(

Sorry for my english ;)
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
yes i gave up personally , i've settled on the xperia neo as it seems best bang for the buck in my country.....

and i'm giving my x8 to my brother he doesn't give a damn about games just like DX lol......
[XPERIA X8 General] bogdan_mihai554:
----UP------(Because more devs need to see this) !-----
[XPERIA X8 General] proadi96:
Yes i gave up too ;/ i was trying to do something but without luck :/ its sad but i gave up too ;/
[XPERIA X8 General] abaz123:
Oooww nooooo ! :( it's sad. Why am I always unlucky ? I have friends who have Cypress X8 and I'm the only one with a synaptic. I feel bad

lol.
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
get an xperia mini or a neo good prices on them for what you get !
[XPERIA X8 General] skyboyextreme:
the best solution i found on getting multi touch was to sell the f****** x8 lol, so got myself an xperia neo and couldn't be happier !

just wishing that SE doesn't play this dirty game again and block updates to 2011 xperias beyond gingerbread !!

anyways good luck achieving DT on x8 -if possible-

over and out -probably will be my last post on the x8 forums farewell-
[XPERIA X8 General] velnens123:
Good-Bye X8

Hello Xperia Neo

:D
[XPERIA X8 General] Spevky:
Okay did anyone OPENED up their X8? (if your using x8gesture.ko ) synaptics.. open up your X8 and check EVERY thing on the Touch chip (shold be written on the chip Synaptics and some numbers ... tell us those numbers ) And maybe someone will help.. maybe its not clearpad 2000... If it REALY is then why the fuuuuuUUUu dont we have dual touch?
[XPERIA X8 General] Spevky:
So can we develop a firmwere for it? To support it? And i read somewere that it senses 2 touches but it uum doesent show it? or something like that? This is kinda of a dead end is it?
[XPERIA X8 General] proadi96:
Everybody gave up on that, never mind that, we have a nice phone with nice price, never mind DT.