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[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Before I get into my response, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm defending AT&T's costs or charges for services. I've been correcting the misconceptions and downright ignorance of Twiddle or whatever the hell his name is.

I have to correct you early on. Data plans are not public utilities. It's a service provided by a private company.

For the most part, I'd agree, but then there are people that want to tether their laptops/desktops through their phone and DL a hundred gigs of torrents a month. That makes the folks tethering for 2 or even 20 gigs look like leeching douchebags and the telecoms use that as an excuse to charge us all.

Eh, I'd worry about other essential utilities before a luxury item such as tethering data plans.

I'm not so sure that it's the content of the 1's and 0's, but rather how *much* is why they're trying to milk their customers now.

(On a side note regarding content: If I recall, AT&T Uverse was one of the worst culprits in terms of throttling users with torrent type traffic, so yeah, on that end AT&T was concerned about the content of Uverse customers.)

As for privacy, has it been proven that they're exploring the content of data customers or particularly customers illegitimately tethering?

---------- Post added at 02:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:40 AM ----------

At the risk of responding to a petulant child:

Grow up.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] designfears:
How legal is it for ATT to auto enroll you for using tethering anyway? A no more secret overages bill was just passed on Monday I believe.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dertester123:
That is a question for a lawyer.. here in germany every change of contract that is not specified in the contract (tos etc) gives you the right to cancel it.

On the other hand you did something that wasnt allowed in the contract.. they could also charge you if its not mentioned otherwise in the contract

I personally would call and play the dumb+agressive:

You didnt do it, they should explain very clearly or you wont accept. If they wont stop just say you will stop payment/call lawyer..

Just deny everthing and come up with useragent and "special" apps and new features etc...

Deny everything that is close to tethering like bluetooth headset like said before...

What can they do without telling you the exact cause of their change?

Just play it nice ;)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] groves226:
again, really.... leave.

clutter pm's not threads.

for everyone else... the argument that data is data is data is really kind of a half truth when it comes to cell networks and other transmission systems that use the same technology.

With data communications to a cell phone (regardless of where the real endpoint is for that data) is going to be chomped into time slots,in a world where everyone has equal demand the time slots are divided equal, in the world where you have a few devices that have more demand, the time slots are divided to give them more slots.

what that means is if one device is demanding more data the network will try to give it more slots so that the demand can be filled asap and the slots opened back up to the masses. Now there is a lot of math and stuff in figuring out how much to give one device, I'm not smart enough to really break it down.

Now, why that matters. People who torrent, mass streaming (which is mostly compressed highly but it does matter) or download via their phone (regardless of the end device) will have a high constant demand which can saturate a network. Torrents are really bad for a network, wireless or not.

Now with that in mind, since the carriers want to protect their network there is a two fold reason for tethering charges and plans and rules.

1: protect the network

2: make money

Protect the network by hoping that having a rule and a charge will give you a way to drop people who haven't paid and change the data gateway for those that have

Make money because the extra charge can be invested into the network, or used to cover costs, or well... make money.

There is a detriment to the network when there is high demand from a few users, just as much as when there is moderate demand from a huge amount of users.

Each 3G cell can only handle so much data, and there can only be a limited number of them in an area, though the carriers are finding ways to put more in a smaller area.

Data is data, it is the transmission method that makes it different. Cell phone data is different from cable modem, in latency and bandwidth but alike in the fact that it is a shared resource.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
Please feel free to put one, the other, or both of us on ignore. Or leave.

I've tried to stay relevant to the actual discussion. The fact that I'm not blindly 'a-mening' pro-free-tethering isn't popular, but that's life.

Feel free to PM me if you want, but I'll probably ignore it at this point.

Oh, and I agree with the rest of your post, but leave the babysitting to Super Nanny.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Twiddler:
PDAnet Update

Still using PDAnet without any texts or letters from AT&T.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Longcat14:
From what I heard, it can take weeks before they contact you.

I would stop, and wait it out honestly, you never know.

I had to tether last month because my internet went out, and I had to use it, but thankfully I only used about 1GB in about a 4 day usage, so I think it was fine, I was still under 2GB for the month.

Honestly, if your going to tether, tether a bit, it won't hurt the network, but don't tether hundreds of gigabytes because you have unlimited that, that just makes carriers do everything to make EVERYONE get off unlimited, not just you.

I'll make it simplier, don't be a douche.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Twiddler:
Tethering ethics thread opened elsewhere

Since the topic drew so much passion, I started a new thread in a non-phone specific area.

The ethics of tethering with a non-tethering plan.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Colomonster:
i avg about 9 gigs of data a month, tethered... and not tethered, when using strictly the phone it is about 3 gigs... i am on VZW, i will be switching to sprint for my 4g service, with 4g speeds, i will be going way over the 2 gig cap.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] jonrobertd:
Ok so I have the "unlimited" data plan, and don't tether, just stream ALOT. IF I get this message, and they do change my plan can I not cancel my plan without paying the termination fee as per section 1.3 of contract?

We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, expenses, or charges regarding your Services at any time. We will provide you with notice of material changes (other than changes to governmental fees, proportional charges for governmental mandates, roaming rates or administrative charges) either in your monthly bill or separately. You understand and agree that State and Federal Universal Service Fees and other governmentally imposed fees, whether or not assessed directly upon you, may be increased based upon the government's or our calculations.

IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBE, BEYOND THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE SUMMARY, OR IF WE MATERIALLY DECREASE THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IN WHICH YOUR AIRTIME RATE APPLIES (OTHER THAN A TEMPORARY DECREASE FOR REPAIRS OR MAINTENANCE), WE'LL DISCLOSE THE CHANGE AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE IN ADVANCE (EITHER THROUGH A NOTICE WITH YOUR BILL, A TEXT MESSAGE TO YOUR DEVICE, OR OTHERWISE), AND YOU MAY TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT WITHOUT PAYING AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE OR RETURNING OR PAYING FOR ANY PROMOTIONAL ITEMS, PROVIDED YOUR NOTICE OF TERMINATION IS DELIVERED TO US WITHIN THIRTY (30) DAYS AFTER THE FIRST BILL REFLECTING THE CHANGE.

If you lose your eligibility for a particular rate plan, we may change your rate plan to one for which you qualify.

Or does that last sentence screw that up?

Also I noticed a service running, Tethering something, and try to kill it but it immediately starts up again, hummm.

I'm on stock rom, just tweaked to he!!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] apallohadas:
According to another poster, yes you can opt to cancel your contract.

At this point, the only thing that seems likely is that tethering (even a little) = a letter at some point in the future. Might not be tomorrow, might not be next month.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] smartphonesanonymous:
Agreed. You shouldn't have offered the

unlimited

plan if you didn't want me to use it

without limitation

.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] csandman1977:
Kind of off topic but ever since att announced the shared data plans 3 of my 5 lines started going over the 2 gig limit. No real change in usage that I could tell. I think something is fishy but switching to that plan saved me almost 70 bucks a month.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] veener79:
Part of me wants to try and tether now that i have a tablet. Looks like if I try I will at least get a warning first if they catch me. I like the idea of the new family plan but it is going to cost me more then my current plans with a 10gig family plan.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] shadfurman:
While I agree we should figure out how they're detecting the usage... Just for knowledge sake... I think anyone violating the tos deserves what they get. I do think that using a Bluetooth headset is arguable. They're pushing with that, and everyone that's been falsely accused should file a joint lawsuit. But this idea that you should be able to take services you aren't paying for is false. Your paying for specific data services outlined in your tos. They have to price discriminate their plans to make other plans cheaper. Companies (even large ones) don't have unlimited resources. Them "making a buck" is how they are able to pay for the service your buying from them. It's expensive to maintain a cell network.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] zpzp96:
It's weird I tethered sometimes, and never got that kinds of messages

Is running cm 10. With native tethering.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] droobage:
I noticed this problem(?) on Nils' Sense 3.0 ROM as well as his 3.5 which I have currently installed.

I like using the HTC Calendar widget in the "Agenda" view. When I was using the OTA 2.2 update, if I had an event scheduled for, say 8:00 am, once the event was over, it would be removed from the widget so the next upcoming event could be loaded and viewed in the widget.

This functionality doesn't seem to be happening anymore on these ROMs, and instead, the events aren't removed until the day is over.

For example:

You can see that there are 4 meetings which were over by the time I took this (enormous) screen shot, but they're still showing up in my widget.

Is this a mistake? Is this how HTC has intentionally programed it? Or is this a ROM error, or is this just my device? I'd really like for the completed events to stop showing up in my agenda.

Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NilsP:
I noticed that change in behavior when they went to Sense 3.0. Not sure if it is intentional.

Personally I like it that way because I am a billable security consultant and at the end of each day I go to the widget and use it to track my time. At night the day goes away and the next few days appear.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kirby212:
Hey guys.

I'm still fairly noob with flashing rom's and the whole nand thing took me a while to get used to.

I only recently upgraded from American Android which was an SD rom to HyperDroid which is a nand rom and I'm impressed with the speed and smoothness of it.

I'm not impressed with the battery drain.

With American Android after a day of school (100 texts and 1 or 2 refreshes on facebook) I'd end up with 60 to 75% but with HyperDroid I ended up with 30%...

How would you guys reduce battery usage for this particular rom? Would you recommend changing?
[HTC Sensation] alyoder:
Hello,

I'm sick and tired of having to remake my playlists after each new rom version I install (where I do a full wipe.)

I don't use HTC Sync. I'm not sure if that would solve the problem, but the trouble is, HTC Sync first needs me to have everything setup for itunes. But itunes wants to totally jack up and rename all my music, folders and stuff. I don't want that.

Anyway - all I want to know is if there is data / files on the phone that I can backup before wiping that will allow me to keep my playlists? If so, what and where are they?
[HTC Sensation] bsktballstar3131:
I've had the same problem. Even restoring all my system data and user apps and data doesn't restore it...wtf
[HTC Sensation] yellowpony2k2:
If you're rooted, I've been saving mine on Titanium Backup. The file is [PLAYLIST] Media Storage... Hope that helps...
[HTC Sensation] atwon:
Use MyBackup Root... Works perfectly for backing up playlist and other system settings.

Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
[HTC Inspire 4G] surtrafl:
Im having a weird issue, only from virtuous unity roms, everytime i flash it, it works fine for 1 or 2 hours... but then, look by yourself:

Albums.apk:

Contacts Widget:

Im not using any mod, virtuous 2.37.0 with unity 9...
[HTC Inspire 4G] homeslice976:
Crazy effect!

No but seriously, mine's never done this (VU 2.37). Maybe try deleting your thumbnails (/sdcard/dcim/.thumbnails) and letting gallery rebuild them?
[HTC Inspire 4G] surtrafl:
I did that before, but never solved it.

I got this effect since 1.35.

Thanks anyway
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FelipeRRM:
Hey guys, I just came from a Xperia x10 (which made me very happy by the way), and after one day of stock-use I decided to change my S2 ROM, despite the stock ROM being already VERY SMOOTH. Uppon checking the development area I almost fell of my chair: There are tons and tons and tons of ROMs! Please guys, help a newbiew like me to choose a ROM! I want what everybody does, a super ultra fast ROM, with great battery like and customization.

And BTW, x10's custom ROMs improved perfomance alot, but do these Custom ROMs improve the perfomance that much? Because it's already so so so smooth!!!

Thanks guys!! :D:D
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
Start at Rom A and work your way through to Rom Z .

Or use the search button as this question has been answered ten thousand times or more .Even same question asked yesterday you could look at that post .

Improvements not much .

Personal choice of rom = Cognition .

But until you can understand the differences stick with stock .

jje
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matriak31:
Go with Cognition..That is one stable and good battery life rom. Comes with many tweaks to it as well. Or CheckRom thats another good one...

But my favourite even though im trying other ones at the moment is BatistaRom. Themed rom very fast, smooth like butter and good battery life to it and my best out of all the ones out there:D
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] prodygee:
I'm not amazed by the SGS2's smoothness as I have an iPod Touch which shows what the definition of smooth is. trollin'

Anyways, Cognition is the way to go!
[EVO 4G General] Dvin211:
This was taken from the Sprint Premier forums. http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76419

"Last annual upgrade on Premier Gold

Good afternoon,

This is Jose Nunez with the Sprint Premier Team.

Thank you for posting your questions and concerns in the Premier community forum!

The answer for this question is yes. Current Premier Gold customers who upgrade tomorrow (or prior to 10/2/11) would qualify again for an upgrade in 12 months (that they would be able to use before 12/31/12). After that, they are going to qualify every 20 months under the New for you Handset upgrade program.

Thanks

Jose

So to sum this up, if you upgrade now you'll get another 12 month upgrade. If you wait till after Oct 2 your moved to the "New for you program" https://manage.sprintpcs.com/specialoffers/RebateWelcome.do which lets everyone upgrade every 22 months.

I for one was going to wait till mid Oct until I read the above quote.
[EVO 4G General] NYCguy2020:
Oh great! so Sprint will do away with the premier program altogether.What's the next step, data cap??! Why would anyone want to stay with Sprint after this,

especially with their abysmal 3G data speeds??!
[EVO 4G General] rezistrat:
If the Iphone 5 indeed comes to sprint, I guarantee the data gets capped/governered or limited within a year of release.
[EVO 4G General] epb273:
In my opinion, the iPhone will be coming to Sprint shortly after this takes effect. It is similar to changing the gold and silver premier status before the drop of the Evo3d. Sprint probably has a limited number of iPhones ordered and they want to have enough supply for new customers, so this is a way to keep most existing customers from being able to get one at an upgrade price.

Or I could be completely talking out of my arse.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
Yup, this is true. Read it on Sprints website here ---> http://www.sprint.com/popups/upgrade_changes.html

I just had account services bump my upgrade up little early. I was originally due 10/01/11, but got it pushed to this month. I'm gonna upgrade tomorrow most likely.

This way I'll have another upgrade next September (2012) at least.
[EVO 4G General] expose11:
How the hell does it make any sense that if I upgrade before October 2011, I will be able to upgrade again in 12 months. What if I am not due for my premier upgrade till Feb 2012? Do I not get it? Do I have to wait out my full two years? This is stupid. It makes no sense.

I have an idea, how about anyone who upgraded from a Hero to an Evo 4g, in the month of June, who has green eyes and brown hair, you can upgrade in 12 months. But, if you upgrade after Labor Day during a leap year, you can not upgrade again for 22 months.

I have an even better idea. How about if I receive one more phone call from Sprint about checking to see if I want another phone on my account, they have to upgrade all my phones for free for life.
[EVO 4G General] mrjeancw:
the company will get there money regardless no matter what.

but per your description, i guess i get a early upgrade seeing as how i have green eyes and brown hair and went from hero to evo.
[EVO 4G General] KB112:
I don't know their reasoning man, they do some wacky **** sometimes. But it is what it is. As said above, its almost a guarantee all these changes revolve around the pending iphone announcement. I'm gonna upgrade today, just to be sure I meet the cut off. I was gonna wait it out til the holidays, but not now.
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
This does seem like an iPhone move, upgrade now so if you want an iPhone in October (rumor mill) you have to pay full retail. Oh well.
[EVO 4G General] colorado_al:
I'm not sure that I'm interested in upgrading and being locked into another contract. Especially with the $350 ETF. I bought my EVO unsubsidized. I think the next handset I buy will also be that way.
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
This. With all the changes that sprint is doing lately I think it would be better for everyone to hold on renewing on that 2 year contract...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ShiftE:
Does anyone know of a widget that will allow you to quickly enable/disable the 3g radio? I like to micromanage my data connection to save battery life.

I have tried several apn widgets with no luck. Any help here is appreciated?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jkim13:
The stock power saving widget has it. Can control several other items as well
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ayman86:
The power widget doesn't control mobile data, sadly.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] C3jay:
Go to the market and type in data enabler widget its the first one.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] prodigy18:
I've always used SwitchPro to manage all of my connections. It's nice to have WiFi, gps, 4g, 3g and bluetooth all in one widget.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Scaplet:
Is there a tool to turn off the cellular entirely? With the GPS chip and offline maps, this phone could be used for backpacking, so it would be nice to turn off cell as you wouldn't need that anyway.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zanderman112:
Hold down the power button for airplane mode and data toggles

Posted by Mr. Z's Epic 4G Touch+Keyboard
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] latinmaxima:
Our power menu only had airplane not data.

Dicho por el Epic Touch de latinmaxima
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ShiftE:
Data enabler works perfectly thanks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tenaciousj:
I use Data Switch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] iamshaked:
This is what your looking for, gimmie them thanks :)

http://www.appbrain.com/app/mobile-signal-widget/com.empirical.widget.signal
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] C3jay:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.farproc.data.enabler&feature=search_result
[HTC EVO 3D] rideascooter:
Also, is there a way to save them? I've paid for it and I'm not trying to refund, if that's even possible.

I just want to watch it on my computer, and not my phone.

Ordered an MHL cable, but just can't wait.

Any way/idea?
[HTC EVO 3D] jgalan14:
By " saving them" on your phone your stealing practicly and i understand that you want to see them on a bigger screen but if it doesn't let you play on the network you won't been able to
[HTC EVO 3D] Drewmungus:
If you rented it from the market, you are set. The market ties it to your gmail account and if you go to the android market on your pc you can watch it there . Maybe you tube as well.
[HTC EVO 3D] rideascooter:
yeah i realized that about 30 minutes after posting.

I just wanted to let some friends see it.

I've seen it before. I just wanted to watch it on my tv.

I Have streaming youtube through my tv, but the movie isn't listed there :(

Guess i'll just have to end up buying the actual disc.

The movie is Elephant in the Living Room.

Everyone should check it out.

It's about a local cop (Dayton, OH), who is an exotic animal expert.

He talks about all of the animals he finds in big cities and stuff.

Also about this guy who has pet lions!

Great Docu.
[HTC Inspire 4G] greentrees89:
what app do you guys use for video chat, and what do you think of Tango, im useing a CM7 based Ninja rom with Lords 6.2 kernel, just wondering what works best for you guys, and if Tango even works for you at all :D thanks
[HTC Inspire 4G] Nick281051:
Just saying I'd recommend updating your kernel and I wouldn't use tango on a phone without a ffc
[HTC Inspire 4G] greentrees89:
ive tested all lords kernels, 6.2 is best for me

i prefer 6.2, whats a ffc???
[HTC Inspire 4G] doktor buknasty:
Front facing camera :-P
[Networking] ZangetsuSX:
There are rumors of people in miami getting 3G on their phones. Can someone possibly confirm this? I called Metro directly and found out that there are at least 5 other cities running on 3G.
[Networking] KB0SDQ:
I was reading another board where folks in Orlando were getting 3g Also read someone in Tampa getting it I upgraded the .prl to 3022 but no luck so far
[Networking] orb3000:
Moved..............
[Networking] ZangetsuSX:
I also swapped to prl 3022 but nothing happened. I'm so pissed that we don't have 3G in thia area of Florida (Cape Coral, Fort Myers, Naples), you know, I just got the crazy idea of making an online protest against MetroPCS. We should gather a bunch of people from different areas of Florida that do not have 3G coverage and plan on doing something like that. Maybe when we have 1000 people protesting for the same thing and threatening to leave MetroPCS then they'll do something about it. Again just a thought.
[Networking] BoiPhresh:
What people fail to realize is if 3g is everywhere your bill will go up and you will have a data cap to cover overages and you will end up with a at&t or Verizon situation the reason why metro is so cheap is because there isn't a 3g if you really want speed upgrade to a 4g phone otherwise be patient until they figure out how much data is being used in major cities and if it's worth the extra costs
[Networking] ZangetsuSX:
You're right I hadn't seen it from that point of view.
[Networking] BoiPhresh:
Don't trip I wanna smack metro cause the guy who sold me the phone said I had 3g
[Networking] ZangetsuSX:
I'd be pissed if they told me the same thing and later on it turned out that I didn't. I wouldn't smack metro but the guy instead. LOL.