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[Windows 8 General] AndrewH1993:
I agree with redviper, though it just seems like there was alot of complications with organizing... There needs to be group tiles but one way not to copy apple is making group tiles inside of groups... each folder that holds the program shortcuts that is in the classic start menu should automatically be made into a group tile with the folder name and there scroll bar needs to be thickin a little more and a win sub operating system incase the main operating system goes down, and has a much more powerful sfc scanner that can detect modified function files caused by viruses, and of course the user can turn that function off
[Windows 8 General] deven316:
Win8 will be more beneficial for touch screen users, I do not see any reason for Win7 users to upgrade just yet..
[Windows 8 General] maarrrrr:
Yup no need to replace Win7 yet
[Windows 8 General] knightslay2:
It just seems that most people would stick with Windows 7 like when Vista had many problems and people reverted back to Xp. I still think some people may not switch to 8 when 7 runs very well.
[Windows 8 General] Strike_Eagle:
Have you just returned from a years-long trip on the top of the moutain?

1.First learn how to write it right.

2. Your point fail. People loves Windows Phone, geeks like us love Windows.

Don't need to be a hater.
[Windows 8 General] Uno dei tanti:
Yes, and I' m between this people
[Windows 8 General] eraser0:
the metro ui is cool even on pc

but the worst thing is to delete the start menu

the start menu made microsoft to control the os world

am afraid that thay might lose it against mac

abt the performance it is soo coooool and speedy less bugy

may be am gonna buy a windows 8 tablet and leave my laptop

so i can play android by blustack :)
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
WINDOWS FAIL Reply

Honestly, I could care less. Microsoft screwed over the Windows Mobile customers, that was a retarded move. Nothing that crappy deserves to have "Windows" in the title.

Nope.

True.

Dead wrong, see my words earlier in this post.

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[Windows 8 General] filipst:
Jeez... if you go by some people you're only allowed to criticize if you're the Microsoft CEO.

Seriously, how can anyone think this is a good future for desktops, I don't know. How can anyone do really serious work with touch interfaces? They're for lowest common denominator. For people who all they do at their computer is play flash games, check emails and watch weather widgets update. That's all there is to it. Those people don't need anything more than a simple touch screen interface. People who actually work on their computers want to work, not gawk at scrolling icons.

As someone who needs at least half a dozen programs open at the same time to work, I dread the day that all interfaces will be full-screen. What kind of retardation is this? Why is it called Windows anymore? It should be FullScreens. I want to be able to switch quickly between applications. I want to be able to drag stuff from one application to another. I don't want my computer to be

turned into a phone.

And, how is better if you'll have to use both a touch screen and a keyboard and/or mouse to get it to work in an acceptable way. Some smart guys here say "hey, just buy a touch screen monitor". Yeah, awesome idea. So, I buy a touch screen monitor so I can scroll, then I go to the keyboard to type. Wow, great improvement there. Makes it so much easier and faster than just using the mouse.

I can't wait to program and/or do graphics in this way. It's gonna be heaven.

But hey, good thing you're getting your "innovation", huh? Because change is always good, no matter what, right? Especially when it takes out things that are useful out of sheer stupidity. Yeah, I have a huge monitor, there's clearly no space for a little bar where I can see the open programs and switch them from there, everything should be full screen and as difficult to access as possible.

Yes, you can turn off metro. But what I'm saying I'm saying for those who think that is a great idea for desktops and that this is how the future should be. No. It shouldn't. It's retarded. Multitasking isn't exactly multitasking if I can't switch to another application in an instant.

And sure, for now you can disable that. But, who knows what's next? I hope I don't have to live to see the day again when I have to hold on something to get a menu, click copy, then switch to another application and click paste and all that on frigging COMPUTER.

DOS days are upon us again.
[Windows 8 General] gabtug:
Technology Predictions

Relax, the way technology is heading you will be able to window switch for a long time to come.

Past: 1 computer does all (General-Does-All era)

Present: 1 computer for work, 1 tablet for 'consuming content', 1 phone for 'consuming content on the move'. (In-between Era)

Future: much more tailored devices for specific uses. e.g. widespread mini-computers in cooking areas, etc. with each device tailored to it's specific use (Specialization/Modularization-era).

Further in future: Reduction in devices. Too many devices performing too narrow band of tasks, so devices will start to become back to generic being able to handle multiple functions extremely well (the creation of 'Master Devices'). Think of this era as the same windows operating system or or piece of hardware that is equally tailored for a bunch of different specific uses. (Return to the Functional Generic era)

That's how I view the past/current/future landscape of technology.

Some examples of current technology that best illustrates this to you to give you some idea:

Future: your in-car navigation system having far superior audio recognition system than your tablet in your kitchen. (Specialization/Modularization-era)

Further in Future: your tablet in your kitchen having the same audio recognition quality as your in-car navigation system, and possibly even using the same hardware. (Return to the Functional Generic era) Another good example of this would be e.g. the 'Asus Transformer': with a dock can make it into a 'PC', take it out for a 'tablet'. I guess we can envision a time where you will have the PC in the shape of a phone, where it just docks or attaches into different screen sizes to provide the different specific (but generic) functionality to it. In that way as well you retain all your files across the different uses.

Now my predictions are forever immortalized on the internet, time shall tell who is right.
[Windows 8 General] Strike_Eagle:
Your Opinion, i don't blame it. But it is not the fact.

Go to CES 2012, I am there right now, and i know that the Presenter of Microsoft for WP has to answer a lot of question and people over there are loving the Lumia 900.

Second, Geeks like us here love Windows Mobile too because it is an open platform. Pretty much like Android. I still have the feeling of having an Leo running the Energy ROM which is Windows Mobile 6.5.

So,i won't even ask you the question where WP fail because a hater like you have nothing but pissing people off
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I think a simple solution is to allow old desktop, then everyone happy, make the new interface similar how media centre is, an addition that can be enabled to start up with os. Metro is fantastic on tablets but less so on desktops

Sent from my HD2 running Windows phone 7, yes, there is such a thing and yes its the dogs bollocks, now go buy one
[Windows 8 General] filipst:
Well, that's the problem right here, isn't it?

If they force touch-screen crap on me, when I don't have any kind of touch screen on my computer it's not making it easier or better. It makes it harder and worse. For example.. the control panel in Win8. For god's sake, it's split in two. It's mind-numbingly retarded. So, they can't display it all on my huge monitor because they need to have huge text and buttons? Well, they can stick it up their ass then. That's simply retarded design for a desktop.

I'm not sure why I should be forced to buy a touch-screen monitor just because of the lowest common denominator. I don't NEED touch screen on my PC and the work I do would only be hindered if I HAD to use one.

One example... typing. It will NEVER be as fast with a touch based interface.
[Windows 8 General] LexusFman:
This is true. I think MS would have been better off doing this for the Windows line

Windows Phone- Windows on a phone

Windows 8 Standard/Premium/Home Premium/Whatever- Desktop interface

Windows 8 Tablet-Tablet interface (the Windows 8 we know and love)

There isn't a way to make a touch based interface work with hardware buttons and vice versa. The range of motions is far too different to make it work in one uniform interface. That is why Windows 7 tablets weren't successful against the iPad. Windows 7 focused on desktop operation and it doesn't work. Its the reverse with Windows 8.

The good thing is though, like Vista, there is another option. Don't use windows 8. Windows 7 is strong and will continue to be strong until Windows 9 comes out.

Overall, Smartphones, Tablets, Laptops, and Desktops are all very different machines. Smartphones are mainly used on the go when a bag can't be taken. Use is usually limited to less than 30 Minutes, and is almost exclusively used for quick Internet searches, checking email, as a phone (text/calling), and using Apps. Apps on Smartphones are usually limited and do simple tasks. Metro works here because the small screen makes multitasking suck and phones are mainly used for checking things (email, weather, stocks, messages, ect.)

Tablets are used for media consumption. The apps tend to be more powerful and do more than phone apps, but aren't quite desktop level and many don't feel at home. They are basically big Smartphones. Tablets are also good for artists, especially pixel artists, but I guess that is null and void. Metro works here because tablets are basically big Smartphones.

Laptops and Desktops are good for daily computing use. The programs range from simple to complex, and do a wide variety of things such as 3D modeling, Text Editing, Publishing, Music Creation, Photo/Video editing, ect. They are usually not limited to the small screens of tablets and phones and can do more. They are better than either for doing anything for a long period of time or doing it seriously. Metro doesn't work here because computing on desk/laptops is mainly focused on applications that either suck on small screens or are impossible with the limited processing power Smartphones and tablets have.

Expecting the same interface to work well on all 3 is ridiculous.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
NOW I UNDERSTAND Reply

I aim to please, so please let me know if I'm in the wrong.

Awww, that was harsh.

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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[Windows 8 General] LexusFman:
To all of the people who say touch screens can't be used for serious work

http://www.wacom.com/en/Products/Cintiq/Cintiq24HD.aspx

nuff said.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
TOUCHSCREEN FAIL Reply

Umm, no. Not "'nuff said". A picture of a guy writing on a touchscreen isn't going to convince me that mice and keyboards are "obsolete". To me, the mouse and keyboard still seem to be a lot more productive and require less physical movement, effort, and waiting to operate. What about home theater users? Who wants to get off the couch and walk up to the television to change the channel or volume? I thought that's what they invented the infrared remote for :D.

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[Windows 8 General] MrKwatz:
The cintiq is a very expensive piece of hardware that uses Wacom's pen tech (no touch), and is intened for professional artists.

Its one way of interfacing with a system that works very well under its applicable circumstances. In the same way that touch works very well under certain circumstances. And that a keyboard works very well under certain circumstances.

Locking yourself into one way of doing something isn't exactly productively efficient, it is best yo use whatever you need to get the job done. A general system will never be perfect.
[Windows 8 General] dogfighter03:
i was told that the kinect will not be implemented..but who knows
[Windows 8 General] holdengtsr1:
Microsoft have definitely tried to optimise it for tablets and touchscreen PCs, although there is still the "default windows" option which is similar to the windows 7 UI (perhaps with faster performance)
[Windows 8 General] numbazZ:
uhh... need to buy touch screen monitor now :o any recomendations?
[Windows 8 General] Infortheskrill:
The option to use the old desktop should be given. Then again I'll most likely stick to XP anyway.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
I use Windows Xp in some computers as well, but prepare yourself for the "obselence trolls" to have a negative comment for your decision ;-). It is still a seriously compatible and useful operating system. You can still install and keep uptodate software going on it.

On that note, I think Windows 7 will retain its usefulness for some time to come, especially if Windows 8 turns out to be as much of a disappointment on the desktop as Windows Mobile 7 was on the mobile phone.

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[Windows 8 General] albo23:
:D Ha. I think I will be sticking to Windows 2000.
[Windows 8 General] Spike-NL:
I tried the development preview of Windows 8. It's really an innovation where you have to get used too. It's different, and that being said, i really don't think allot of people will like this new Windows.

I, for instance, will not be using W8 if it stays like this. The whole Windows-Phone interface thing is really just graphical. It has no real purpose for us too help use Windows in an fast way. It's all about graphics.

Windows needs to be functional. Windows 7 is functional. I need to see the Beta version before i really can say something about it. The development preview is too buggy.
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
I wouldn't judge off the developer preview, because it has so little of the metro UI working. Windows Phone Interface, or more correctly, Metro UI, isn't "mostly graphical," nor is it "mostly about graphics." On the contrary, it's all about *Usability*, about connecting you to your information as rapidly as possible. With Windows 8, you'll be presented with all the most important information from the outset, at the UI, without launching an app. You'll have live tiles alerting you about emails, IM's, news from your favorite sites, updates to your applications, and a host of other informational tidbits all based on the apps you install and organize in the way you want them. When you're actually running apps, you'll be able to swap between them just as fast as Win7, and maybe faster; more, your apps will talk to each other and share functions and data for a more unified experience.

Windows 8 is all about functionality. But really, calling a pre-alpha developer preview "too buggy" is just silly. It's not meant for daily use, it's meant for developers to (gasp!) get a preview of the system and architecture that's to come. We'll have a better idea about the user experience when the beta hits :)

---------- Post added at 08:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:37 PM ----------

My fiancee is a classical illustrator. She uses a laptop with a wacom digitizer--basically a "Cintique light"--to do her very "real work" illustrations on a daily basis. So yes, it really is "'nuf said" to show a cintique as an example of getting real work done.

Does it mean that the mouse and keyboard need to go away forever? Of course not, only crazy people think it means that. It just means there's a NEW way to work, and it's going to be better for some things than what we've had in the past.
[Windows 8 General] Mark_QS:
You can become metero styled apps designer with VS2k11. :) It's true metro UI isn't the best thing on device without touchscreen. Tiles're just too big - waste of space and of course scrolling.
[Windows 8 General] dragonide:
Others already said this but ...

Metro UI can be disabled on Windows 8.

To be more accurate the Thread should be called 'Metro UI sucks on desktop'.

The public beta isn't out yet, isn't a form of flaming/trolling stating W8 sucks ? This is what I think when I read this kind of topics.
[Windows 8 General] FASFAi:
will ture but still metro UI looks awesome on PCs
[Windows 8 General] aretzios:
No, it does not. Metro is flat, visually uninteresting, esthetically challenged. It is just passable for small surfaces (phones, tablets) but it is really bad on the desktop. In comparison to the highly detailed, visually exciting desktop, Metro is a bust.

Metro never attracted much interest. It has always been there, in Windows Media for example. How many users ever used Windows Media although it did have the Metro interface? Anybody? How many used or even bought Zunes that had the Metro Interface? Not many, that's for sure. How many bought Windows Phones, 1% of customers!!!

Wow...it is not really as if Metro has set the world on fire. It has not. Have it on your desktop for a couple of days and you would be tired of it really quick. The same goes for WP phones. Use this interface for a few days it is old news!!!

Now, if you compare this interface with ICS (Android 4), ICS is far nicer. And this is how this would go. My guess is that after an initial interest, Win8 will bomb and bomb badly.
[Windows 8 General] Havenger:
I think the new Metro Shell will be a good Replacement for the Old Interface of Windows ... It seems very modern and really cool - perfect for the future :D ...
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Oh dear

well that's your opinion thankfully not shared by everyone, I'll be the one who waits for something that's not pre beta code before condeming a whole os
[Windows 8 General] kd.fadi:
i'm one who dont like the metro menu

and if i install W8 i'll remove it, my opinion is windows still and will remain windows,

or may i love *nix based os's
[Windows 8 General] magallanes2010:
Sorry but "beta is not the same to ... sorry but you can't blame it". And specially since it is close to the final version, i.e. the current version of windows 8 beta will not be too different to the rtm version of windows 8, may be they will fix some bugs, add some minor feature and remove other minor feature.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Lol its a tech preview your looking at, the original vista tech preview was sacked and started again. Windows biggest flaw (and success) to date is being compatible with older software an hardware. We can't live in the past forever tho, I'm not saying this is good as its not released but change must happen at somepoint and we must adapt
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
SAD Reply

I'm with you 100% on that there. I don't know why so many people have such a tough time seeing what you just described.

I'm glad I'm not the only person in this thread with a little common sense (my apologies if there were others).

You think they'll just "scrap" their retarded/beloved "tiles" at this stage? I don't think so.

Windows 8 is doomed. As doomed as Windows Mobile 7. As doomed as MegaUpload (Rest in peace).

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[Windows 8 General] Award Tour:
Common sense? I'm a creative director and believe that Metro is one of the most attractive UI's out there. The media overwhelmingly agrees too. You don't like it, and that's fine, just don't call your opinion common sense.

Windows Phone, not mobile, is doomed for reasons other than not being a good OS. Just a little too late to take on Android's death grip on OEMs and more importantly carriers. Even if Windows 8 "fails" as bad as Windows Vista, which I don't think it will, it'll still destroy Android's marketshare and still be a pretty dominant OS for desktops. Personally I think it will be a bigger success than Windows 7 or XP.
[Windows 8 General] koodiifin:
I think Windows 8 has a chance if sales of all-in-one desktop PCs (with capacitive touchscreens) keep increasing. The general PC user will probably enjoy using it on a big touchscreen. I can't see myself ever using it though.
[Windows 8 General] I Am Marino:
Personally I think Metro is the most beautiful interface I've seen.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
How would a "desktop" operating system destroy a cell phone operating system market share? And on reason for WM7's failure, it was in fact that it was a lousy OS.

Windows 8 will be the next Vista.

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[Windows 8 General] LPPalScore:
It is not to bad on my HP Laptop.
[Windows 8 General] Award Tour:
I'm talking tablets of course. And as I said, even if it were to be Vista 2.0, it'll still be used by 100's of millions of people. Not exactly a failure. But I don't believe it will fail.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
LOUSY WINDOWS Reply

Time will tell, but I'm not crossing my fingers. I might even give it a try ;).

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[Windows 8 General] Strike_Eagle:
You know the reason why Microsoft is trying to keep the fight over the marketshare on Tablet devices.

Windows 8 is a first build of Windows OS that aim to tablets market, they are trying to balance the marketshare. Because most people now are seeking for the portable device which is cappable to do their daily stuffs "on the go". look at how many people have iPad and iPad2 series today.

But i think Microsoft has an advantage, i am not sure if it is trully an advantage or not, : the deal with Intel.

Intel is able to make a Core i series as a mobile version for tablet now (low power comsumption / low heat generation) , and we all know about the power of sandy bridge. So i think the OEM can take that advantage to make good tablet with a "non-compromised" experience.

I still laugh myself that Android was formaly the OS for the phone, now they have a build for tablet which has a rediculous hardware requirement (and still can't run smoothly). And Windows series is a PC OS, and they haven't change the system requirement since Vista (1ghz CPU + 1GB RAM) and run smoothly almost everywhere.

Don't get me wrong, that i have used Windows 7 on many low-end system, which feature Intel Atom, and GMA 950 graphic, and they still run smoothly.
[Windows 8 General] Wupideedoo:
He already corrected you once. Windows Mobile is not the same thing as Windows Phone. It's not just a rebranding either. There isn't a single line of code that is shared between what Windows Mobile was and what Windows Phone is.

Not to nitpick, but it's hard to believe you have any idea what you're talking about when you keep on showing that you don't know what you're talking about.

Also, how about instead of simply asserting that it is bad, how about you give us some reasons why Windows Phone 7 is a "lousy OS." (And please don't talk about things that are matters of preference like aesthetics. Do your best to limit yourself to features of the OS.)
[Windows 8 General] Lum_Os:
I'm actually kind of surprised that Windows turned the way it did now when I have looked at the new UI. Sure, it does look really nice for TOUCH SCREEN DEVICES. Let's be honest here, how many of you will honestly get a touch screen device instead of sticking with your PC? They have said themselves that it has been optimized for touch screen devices. I don't find this to be very customer friendly, or user friendly for all.

After all, Windows has been earlier optimized for PC's. Sure I can understand that they want to go and distribute in a different market but why not do something for both touch screen devices and normal PC's with keyboard and mouse? It seems silly to me to use the mouse to scroll through the whole new UI, not to mention, hard.

I think I'm gonna stick with Windows 7 when it comes to the desktop.........
[Windows 8 General] Jroumen:
first of all, I'm new here;)

Now about Windows 8, I really like the metro interface for just about anything but the desktop. I really hope they give you the option to use it. Or Maybe the option to scroll down instead of sideways. Maybe in the future the style will become better for desktops with touchscreen monitors or something.
[Windows 8 General] cib0rman:
You really hate Windows and Iphone guy I presume, By the Way Windows phone is faster than Android it has been proved.
[Windows 8 General] Robbzilla:
Who actually wants to have till touch their desktop screen? How lame is that? That would allow me down tremendously