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[Windows 8 General] valtonray:
Actually I like the metro UI, even though I agree it could use some theme support, but that will come rather Microsoft builds it in or a 3rd party developer makes it possible and probably by the end of March. I also think you underestimate how many computers do have multi touch enabled monitors. Most AIO PC's offer them, they are also growing in laptops and stand alone monitors, they may not be the standard but it's not hard or expensive to come across. When 8 hit's retail launch the market is going to be flooded with them. It's not a niche product it is where the technology leads to next, everyone keeps comparing 8 to Vista and ME. ME was horrible, and buggy and didn't work, Vista's biggest problem was coming in behind an OS that had a 7 year run and people complaining about how it was so resource hungry and many PC's couldn't run it well. When Vista launched 1-2 GB of RAM was pretty high end, Vista needed that to run stabely, people were used to XP getting by on 128mb, it's a huge jump.

Give 8 a try, think of what it will bring to the future of home computing then judge it.
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
I'm going to stop you right there... it's core has been updated from 7, and it has a pretty new dress. Does that make it a mobile OS?

I know that every sap with something to say comes here to dump their misplaced complaints, but at least try to follow the thread of conversation, ok?
[Windows 8 General] Strike_Eagle:
The consumer preview actually create some serious problem for me...

At first, they kill the Start Orb... okay... now i have to move the mouse to the Bottom Left corner or Botton/Top Right Corner of the screen to have the bazel pop out.

They also built and hide Zune Cilent in this build (as the Music App), but it is still buggy and i don't blame them for having a buggy software preview, but it is annoying as F to have to Alt-TAb and find the screen of the apps to change songs. But also the problem when i can't shut all the back ground apps totally. I have to do those things through Task manager... When they bring more cool apps to the Metro Design, the more trouble i have with navigating through pages...(those bazels are really hard to access from Desktop)

But Consumer Preview is awesome regarding all the stupid steps on the keyboard and mouse... XBOX Live and XBOX Live Companion... Sound really cool and there is humor about Windows 8 can run and play XBOX 360 games.

WE will wait and see, i will play with it a little bit more...
[Windows 8 General] valtonray:
I discovered while playing around that you can in fact change the tiles. Pick a picture or make a small jpeg of the color choice you want to use. While viewing in the picture app if you right click it gives you the option to use the image on a tile. Using this you could actually create some really nice looking tiles in the new start menu..... *EDIT-THIS ONLY SEEMS TO WORK ON THE PHOTOS APP...
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
It's horrible. Why Microsoft Why? Windows 7 is great, why stuff it up with a new crappy UI, not designed for easy use on a DESKTOP.

CP lasted 10 minutes on my computer.
[Windows 8 General] rmcsc:
Some people just can't adapt to change.
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
I'd love to know how Windows 8 makes life easier and simplier? What was wrong with Windows 7 Start Menu? Why can we not have a choice?
[Windows 8 General] jellybellys:
totally agree. hated it and went to ubuntu :)
[Windows 8 General] xatornet:
Hi everybody,

I've started a new Thread with a petition for Microsoft, to let us decide whether or not we want Metro.

Check it out, and sign it, please.

FORUM THREAD:D
[Windows 8 General] Toss3:
Now for the people complaining about not seeing enough of their applications on Metro:

Press Windows Key + I -> click on settings -> enable "show more tiles"

Windows 8 is just a lot more intuitive than Windows 7 ever was. I actually use my keyboard now instead of just relying on my mouse.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Agreed. After using windows 8 for a day I am actually getting used to it and like it a little. I rarely end up using the metro apps, but the rest of the os is better. The start menu is not gone. Right click in empty space on the start screen and click "all apps." Alternatively, just start typing on the start screen.

Sent from my pocket-sized, Linux-based computer using electromagnetic radiation... and Tapatalk.
[Windows 8 General] etking:
If you change something you need to take care about your customers. If not, you will loose them and this is what will happen with Windows 8. Millions of currently happy customers will be scared and run away, you will see.

I would better sell any Microsoft shares if i had some.
[Windows 8 General] wac_badsector:
problem

i realize one problem

i have windows 8 64bit developer preview

microsoft didn't make updates for windows eight

many time its stuck on shutting down screen

and many bugs with internet explorer metro style application

and if i install new application

it makes automatically many metro shortcut icons "exe files" "uninstall files" "readme" which is useless and we have to unpin them from metro icons
[Windows 8 General] efjay:
Moving to bottom left is same as in previous windows, just changed in W8 which direction you have to go for the Start screen. Also if you go to bottom left and right click you will see a menu for advanced functions.

Music app is buggy, still a preview so expected. To close Metro apps move your mouse to the top of the screen and it turns to a hand, left click and drag down to close, no need for task manager. You can list runnning apps, move mouse to top left and a preview will appear, drag mouse down that side and previews of open apps also appear. Also like in WP7 hit your volume button and media buttons appear to move back and forth between playing tracks.

The only customers Microsoft will lose are people who wont let go of the past and will be the same as current customers who wont let go of XP. If you use the preview and see how you can adapt it to your needs people will find it works well. Its not like previous Windows versions, so it will have to be adapted to. Getting used to the start screen is minor compared to the increase in performance, functionality and compatibility that Windows 8 brings.
[Windows 8 General] blackhand1001:
The problem is everything non metro is better, Its just that metro is not. If they had changed everything but metro and the start menu this would be better than windows 8. I like every other change they made. Just the metro UI and the whole two environments is a mess.

Also I don;t like being forced to enter the product key during install. In vista and windows 7 I would just skip it and when whoever machine I was working on was done I punch it in at the end. This worked great for oem machines with the stickers on the bottom or when I had the product key saved in a file.
[Windows 8 General] rmcsc:
It's called privacy prevention. Deal with it.
[Windows 8 General] vbetts:
I'd say 8 is great for desktops.

I will admit, the metro UI does seem more fitted for smaller form factor machines such as tablets and can take more time to use than just a start menu, but the flow of Metro is amazing, and can make it easier for some people to navigate. Let's also not forget some of the advantages of Windows 8 right now, lesser memory usage compared to 7, better cpu core scheduling(This is a big one for those of us who bought Bulldozer....), UEFI native support, and best of all even better 64-bit support compared to 7, and 7 already has amazing 64-bit support.
[Windows 8 General] Toss3:
It's also a lot more efficient way of working once you get metro set up the way you want. And you can have any of the Metro apps pinned to the side of the screen while opening any of the other applications on your PC.
[Windows 8 General] :
I really like being able to jump between productive and pretty mode at the click of a button. Well, I consider it to be pretty anyway ;)

I think the product key is only mandatory for the beta versions. Pretty sure they did the same thing with Win7.
[Windows 8 General] leftspeaker2000:
I have been running the windows 8 consumer preview for a few days now and i am very impressed thus far. The interface is intuitive and works a lot better with a keyboard and mouse than I expected it to. Granted I did have to read the tutorial that Microsoft provides to understand the importance of the corners and a few short cut keys.

Metro apps so far have not impressed me as I found there to be a lack of continuity between scrolling the start screen, Microsoft apps and third part apps with the scroll wheel and found myself relying upon the scroll bar at the bottom for navigation. Many of the metro apps are continuous and do not have sections divided headings which I found to be confusing, disorientating and not aesthetically pleasing. I expected these apps to be similar to wp7 apps where you swipe or scroll a specific direction, effectively switch from one title to another on a continuous canvas.

I have been running windows 8 on a multi monitor setup where the second monitor always displays the desktop and any click with in a metro app brings you back to the desk top on both screens. Whilst this is good for power users to always have the desktop with shorts cuts available I think there should be an option to extend the start screen access both monitors or at least be able to pin a metro app to the second monitor which you cannot do right now. I did run into a problem that I noticed running two monitor, both monitors had a different resolution; when running on the monitor with the lower resolution it automatically arranged my metro apps 5 rows deep on the start screen whilst with the monitor with the higher resolution was only 3. To me this does not make any sense.

Windows 8 seems 80% finished with regards to touch and about 70% for desktops. Much of the work needed is simply polishing up the interface and producing some better styled applications to demonstrate the power of html 5 and the new start screen.
[Windows 8 General] xpc21:
Well,like when Microsoft released W7 beta and become my primary and unique OS, i´ve done this with W8 CP....for some months i used DP but was so buggy and preferer to stay with W7....i already was accustomed with my Omnia with Mango and just love that phone and MS OS, to me its just perfect, just unique, modern, fluid, new and with it own identity...now with this design and worflow and my desktop, Windows just became better, i agree that using a touch phone and then a desktop... its not same thing, W8 works like a charm with touch, not that with mouse and keyboard it wont but doesnt have the same fluid...other thing that i realized is W8 is a bipolar system, it wont let us left desktop behind, we still depends of W7 system and appearance to do basic things and i bet, important things....sin these days i used more desktop interface than metro one cause i cant install, copy, create in Metro interface....Metro interface is more to just open things with a nice interface, but to do system and hard stuffs, always back to desktop....i think that MS gave a good step, build something new that certainly will change what we tought about Windows....i dunno but i wouldnt bet that until final version they wont change the system a lot like we know today, but hope that this things change in Windows 9 and became a unique system, like Mango is in Mobile...but i wont go back to W7 anymore, like XP, it enter in my golden years, tought that MS would never done this, but made me forget W7 and choose a new destiny! Just have to congrats!
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
Couldn't have said it more succinctly myself XD

Yeah I'd be surprised if they made entering the key mandatory at install. Microsoft has become more relaxed in terms of handing piracy; they seem to have realized that it is never a good plan to treat their customers like criminals, and also that it is not possible to purchase their OS in some regions in the world (so piracy is the only way to get their product). Thus, "non genuine" copies of 7 have two restrictions afaik; you can't set a wallpaper and you'll get a message every hour or so complaining about genuine, but the rest of the OS remains intact and usable. They've been so good about this with 7 and WP7, I'd hate to see them take a step backwards.
[Windows 8 General] scotvl:
Yes that would be millions of business and power home users.this if a tablet shell their trying to force on users to get them used to their mobile products.

The only people who won't ***** are new users an people who need to check their FB or twitter every 5 minutes.
[Windows 8 General] etking:
A modern user will never adapt to any software, a modern software has to adapt to the user because the user can just go away. If there is no classic start menu, Microsoft will loose the Desktop and Windows 8 will end up as the second Vista because no company will be able to use it for productive work and the developers in charge will end up getting fired.

But since there is money involved and Microsoft also has some demanding shareholders, if there is some business intelligence left they will provide an optional classic start menu. They just cannot afford loosing their 92% market share forever because of some stupid user interface experiments.

Windows 8 may be great for touch-enabled tablets but for mouse-controlled desktops and notebooks without a touchscreen it is just not working.

The other thing they need to completely rethink is ARM-based non-Metro desktop applications but this is another story.
[Windows 8 General] zackoes:
I think not that suck, but likely it's best for touch function...
[Windows 8 General] scotvl:
Well I installed vistart and I'm happy to have my start menu back. Now I just have to find a way to get rid of metro and having to drag the screen away before I can log in.
[Windows 8 General] popo007:
I installed this on other partition on my laptop. It fast on booting (hands down for this) and start interface (metro UI). But I notice its more on touch functionality.

(I got a bug onn store app, my pc hang but mouse is working, idk why?)
[Windows 8 General] evronetwork:
I tested in the past Win8 Dev Preview and it was quite easy to turn off the metro ui, in consumer preview it seems impossible with conventional methods(without extra programs).

So having these in mind, the final win8 probably would be like win8 consumer preview which suck, for tablets metro ui seems great but for a regular pc/power pc it would suck BIG time even if the performance is a bit better compared to win7

I'll stick to win7 until win8 can be modded easily and somehow disable that ugly metro ui (no I'm not lazy to make configurations but windows last for me ~2-3 months then I need format, as a computer tech I need to test stuff and not through an emulation so I tear appart win sooner than regular usage and I'll hate myself if I spend much time just for a start menu-view)

P.S. I'd love to see ReactOS beta..but they need at least 3-4 times the developers that they've got already..because they are moving veeeeeery very slowly(re-invent the wheel is not an easy task :p )
[Windows 8 General] m0nkf1sh:
When I first saw screen shots I didn't like it, but the developer preview changed my mind. The only problem I had was trying to turn my computer off, but I soon found the button. I have since got a touch screen and windows 8 certainly suites it, but I have no trouble with using a mouse.

Overall I think its better that Microsoft shakes things up a bit, we've all got too used to a certain way of using computers and this has stifel'd creativity.
[Windows 8 General] froibet:
just press space. instant unlock
[Windows 8 General] jhanford:
Where to begin? Ok, first you're talking about what modern software should do, then you argue Microsoft isn't doing that because they took away the 'classic' start menu. Comparing the UI changes in Windows 8 to the flawed release of Vista, seems like a bit of a stretch too.

I've been using the Developer Preview on and off since its release and have switched over my work laptop to the Consumer Preview without any loss of productivity. (I'm a .NET developer)
[Windows 8 General] navenedrob:
I think people hate on Windows 8 because of one thing: Metro UI.

It is important to distinguish between Windows 8 and Metro UI, two separate products in one package.

Hating on Windows 8 while you only think about Metro UI isn't correct. I myself absolutely hate Metro UI, but let us take that out of the equation for a minute.

The install experience is great, it is easy and really quick compared to past offerings (remember Windows 95/98?). The post-install setup is great, excluding the in your face "be like Apple" and "try to trick you into using other Microsoft services" approach. The desktop UI update is great, and I'm finally glad they got rid of round corners. So Windows 8 is speedy, and it is updated. Otherwise, it is still Windows 7, so we're used to it. This is how an OS update should be and what we expect.

Now let me talk about Metro UI. I have one word to describe Metro UI: ****.

Metro UI is at best a child-like after-thought laid on top of an actual piece of useful software. In Microsoft's effort to bring the masses something innovative from the company they have created the ugliest albeit most colorful piece of design failure I have seen in recent years. I bet the designers at Microsoft are having a field day with this product. It must take them all but two seconds to create a new app icon, including a Photoshop fill-bucket and Tahoma. No professional can take this product seriously. It has no depth. It has no originality. It is ugly.

I have one other word for Metro UI, and that is what it should come as when you install it on your desktop PC: Off.

If it is going on your tablet or phone, give it a shot, maybe you'll like it. Or, maybe you'll hate it.
[Windows 8 General] mtmerrick:
I installed the CP on my laptop (dualbooting with W7) with dismal expectations. After using it for a while, I don't hate it as much as I expected. In fact I like the metro design language. However tiles are horrible, thehot corner mouseovers need to go away, and the multitasking is not that great. Also classic desktop icons need a better way to be added (I like my most important icons on my desktop), all apps needs a much easier way to be accessed (I know you can start typing but I don't want to have to do that) and it constantly irks me that I have to go into a menu to see my signal strength and battery life, and most importantly, the time. If all those things were addressed, I could learn to accept it, but as it is right now, I could not and would not use it as,my daily OS.
[Windows 8 General] grimsonfart:
Maybe

I think it looks nice, alot better than booring Windows 7. I really hope that they make a desktop Version of Windows 8 without this start menu espessially :D
[Windows 8 General] ChrisKringel:
I just installed the customer preview on my Dell 1747. I already planned to reinstall Windows 7, However with the CP beeing released a few days ago I thought why not install Windows 8 first to see how it feels. I read a lot of angry comments about the missing Start Menu. I personally have used Windows 8 only a few hours but I dont really note much diffrence here. I hit the Windows Button and start typing the programs name. Same Thing in Windows 7. The Metro start Screen is something new and I think I Need some time to get used to it. The biggest Thing I don't like is that you can't drag the Screen with your mouse. You have to move to the scrollbar and back up. The same Problem is in nearly every Metro app as well. I'm currently not really sure if reinstall Windows 7. In fact: I do like Windows 8. But let's see what happens in the coming days.
[Windows 8 General] jimkraz:
I have used this operating system since release and must admit to liking it very much, I do have a Windows 7 phone, so that prepared me for the start screen, I also have a 22" touch screen and am now using it to a fuller potential, though have not as yet given up on my mouse or keyboard, I will buy Windows 8, the final release can only be better and this is good forward thinking. By the way, I am in my sixties and over the past few days have set my START to suit me, my desktop to suit me, without pulling my, what I have left, hair out. Jim
[Windows 8 General] scanie:
Don't know if you've already noticed but, you can use your mouse to scroll in Metro and Metro apps.
[Windows 8 General] armored:
Really? I got ALL my drivers to install correctly. I'm on an Alienware M17X R2 with dual m4780HD GPU's. Even the crossfire is great. Tribes Ascend runs BEAUTIFULLY on Win 8! As well as Minecraft :P.

If you are having trouble with any drivers, try running them in Win 7 compatibility.
[Windows 8 General] rhtb4theeyeblnks:
it RUNS super smooth and dare say even better the 7 but the metro thing is bonked for desktops. I consider it windows phone 8 with pc support. I also think that better softkeyboard products is really the only thing missing from 7.
[Windows 8 General] dtboos:
Took me a little bit to get used to it, but I think it works excellent even on desktop/workstation pc's.
[Windows 8 General] dialupboy:
using this on my NON TOUCHSCREEN DESKTOP PC and I LOVE IT.

No problem switching between DESKTOP and METRO, I got BEST of BOTH WORLD :D

Performance actually, WOW, Hell lot FASTER than already fast Win7.
[Windows 8 General] Irrdial:
I don't agree. Windows 8 doesn't suck. Metro sucks. Windows 8 is so much better than Windows 7 if you look at performance - it's faster, more responsive, cleaner...

Don't judge an entire system by just one feature you don't even have to use.
[Windows 8 General] bobbyelliott:
The whole desktop/Metro UI is a huge gamble for Microsoft. I mean, come on, you have to press the Windows key to get to your desktop??? Microsoft can't expect people to press a key to get back to an improved version of their old desktop, which runs every single application you could ever want to run, faster than ever before.

Come on, guys. Windows 8 is brilliant.
[Windows 8 General] etking:
Windows 8 is great but the Metro interface must go away. And even a single click to reach the desktop is one click too much.
[Windows 8 General] chrisxkar:
well i think it was a matter of time for windows and other OS's to make a major change in their appearance and interface the question was who would make it first and i was surprised that windows made it first.Offcourse many wont like or it will make it hard for them to get used to it but its something that all excected sooner or later
[Windows 8 General] sergerdar:
Couldn't have said it more succinctly myself XD
[Windows 8 General] dialupboy:
Here this a good read:

http://www.winsupersite.com/content...s-8-consumer-preview-call-common-sense-142476
[Windows 8 General] bobbyelliott:
The lack of historical insight into what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8 is frightening. They just don't get the seismic change that is about to take place in the computing industry.

As for the "Metro sucks on desktops", have you noticed desktops are changing? You noticed all those nice (as yet, unsold) touch screen PCs in computer shops? Do you see the hint?

Well done to Microsoft for making the first move. It did the same in 1995 when it embraced the Internet (Apple was sleeping).
[Windows 8 General] benjoid:
That's a good article in the argument against Windows 8! :cool:

So contrary so what forum members have said here, according to this guy, Microsoft IS looking to replace the "LEGACY" Desktop with Metro and not run them as separate OS's. I'm willing to try and run with both OS's but if Microsoft are looking to drop the Metro's "LEGACY" desktop app in Windows n, well that I am not happy with. Swopping a multi-window, multi-document OS for one that only allows two apps to be visible at a time is a big step backwards.