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[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
Tmobile Vibrant supports att 3g 1900mzh band!

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1662409-Samsung-Vibrant-T-Mobile-*AND*-ATT-3g-capable!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Still doesn't fully support AT&T 3G. Only in areas with 1900Mhz coverage. Just saying, don't get your hopes up for the T-Mo GS2 on AT&T. 99% chance it will not support AT&T 3G at all, 0.99% chance it will support one of AT&T's 3G bands, and 0.01% chance it will support both AT&T 3G bands.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
Yeah. Needs the 850 band. However, the Telus version (which is identical to T-Mobile's version) will support AT&T 3G fully.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
What are the benefits of the Telus version? Just the larger screen? Also, do we know when it's coming out?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Telus uses the same bands as att. Just because there lte band is a tmo umts band (or am I thinking wcdma I always forget what is 3g) doesn't mean the phone is compatible.

The telus fascinate was essentially a vibrant but the antennas or something were different. Telus modems worked on the captivate but vibrant modems didn't. Though the vibrant was rumored to work on the att network and I believe there were a few vibrant users.

Its not a bad sign and the gs2 seems to support more bands in europe. Rather than have many different firmwares specific to the carrier it seems the gs2 can be bought at one carrier and used on most as the models from England work on art but on the gs only Canadian and Australian and newzeland and a few others worked on art. It is all a good sight for those that want the big screen on a dual core but doesn't make anything certain. I don't see anything compelling enough to form an argument either way. So give up the pissing match and wait a week and a half and the someone can say I told you so and nobody else is gonna care.

As I don't nessesarily believe gtg is right I wont say it but I will say since we can't verify anything don't spread misinformation. How many Mis- read the ad from Samsung about the 1080p video and thought it was recording then got all pissy when it didn't. Just wait till launch before you spread specs and information.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
The same benefits (and cons) of a comparison of the T-Mobile version and our variant.

T-Mobile

1.5ghz snapdragon

4.5 inch display

Support for 42mbps

Our variant

1.2ghz exynos :)

4.3 inch display

21 mbps

I like the aesthetics of the T-Mobile variant more, but I'm not too keen on snapdragon. Though I'm sure it's pretty good. I haven't heard any specifics on when it'll be available.

Before I decided on the GS2, I was considering a Sensation. I found one (a Telus version) that was compatible with AT&T 3G (and advertised as incompatible with T-Mobile 3G). If the bands are there (which they are), it should work. I'm just extrapolating. Telus is going to release the GS2 variant identical to T-Mobile's version (per some article I read and their own website - we just don't know when). Everyone should already know to take everything with a grain of salt until dates are confirmed and someone physically tests the model, but there's good reason for me to believe what I stated.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
yes the telus version will work. the t-mo while i believe it may will work like the vibrant did i will not state that as fact.

but i will warn you there was never much dev on the telus phone. canada has a lower population and thus less customers. and if ther eare any hardware differences from t-mo the development on the t-mo end might not always cross into the telus. it didnt on the telus fascinate for a long time and those guys weren't even bright enough to enter the vibrant and captivate forums for support and figuring out diffs and coming up with better stuff, they mostly stuck to the verizon forums because the phone had the same name which caused issues with dumbasses flashing cdma firmware to gsm phones and vise-versa
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
That's what I was stating. The Telus version will work on our network. I just meant to indicate that the Telus version is the same variant as the T-Mobile version, physically and spec wise.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
i totally agree with you. previous comments were directed at netnerd with his pissing match against gtg about the t-mo varient.

if enough of us get the telus maybe they could actually enjoy some development from us americans! lol. i know there were issues with using vibrant t959 firmware on the t959d telus phone but the telus and bell stuff worked really good on the captivate (go figure). i dont know about issues with t959v-t995p compatibility though which would be a better indicator since they probably have slightly more in common with the radio on the sgs2
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
Lol. I'd consider it if root could be obtained. I could make do with the stock rom rooted.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Root is easy with a rom dump. If it pops up on samfirmwares it wont be an issue. The dump without root is the hard part. But even a kernel dump could help male a kernel that roots. I'm not sure if you can dump the kernel partition from adb without root or not.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] CRABThinker:
Yea I went to the at&t store yesterday to check out the almighty GS2 to see how inferior my infuse is in comparison. Now I didn't give it a hardcore testing in all aspects, but for regular day to day stuff I didn't notice any difference in speed or responsiveness. That being said I'm rooted and running the infused rom so i can't speak for a stock infuse (which I continue to be disappointed with as i find new ways of making my infuse not suck like at&t has allowed it to) but i now don't feel pissed about not waiting for SG2 because it doesn't seem too much better. I'd rather wait for them to release the lte hd version with the improved dpi for the retina display effects
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
Jebus does any one even read my posts....

Look up the celox....its the same damn phone as the tmo version...but att bands with lte

It is currently slated for a q4 release....we are in q4

hold your horses
[Samsung Infuse 4G] scyld:
I guess I'm one of the few on here that went from a "feature phone" with a crappy half-functioning browser to the Infuse.

So my reaction to the Infuse was not, "Ack! Last year's technology, WHEN WILL SG2 COME OUT?!?!?!"

It was more like: "OH MY GOD, LAST YEAR'S TECHNOLOGY!!! I've finally joined the league of smartphone users. AND THE SCREEN IS SO PRETTY I THINK I WILL CRY."

So even if my phone has but one core to give, and only half a gig of RAM, I still am happy with it :p

And with regards to ICS, I expect to have it on my Infuse in November, thanks to the developer community here. Or I'm being overly optimistic?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
If we are extremely lucky and the low-level library interfaces for drivers (GPS, RIL, video acceleration, camera, etc.) stay the same from 2.3 to ICS, it might happen.

But the chances of that are less than 5%.

There are too many closed-source components, meaning that without libraries from an extremely similar device, it won't happen.

The problem is that as far as the Infuse, there is no such thing as "extremely similar device" - It's a mangled hybrid between the GS2 and original GS, with some specific quirks unique to no other device in the world, such as that goddamn ****ing CG2900.

Yes, I hate the Bluetooth/GPS chipset in the Infuse THAT much. The GS2's GPS is the first phone GPS I've ever used that seems to be able to come close to my Garmin or my MTKv2 puck in terms of lock times and signal strength from satellites.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
confirmed...

running 2.3.5

4.5" screen

1.5 dual core snapdragon

LTE

supposed 720 HD Super amoled screen (I had no way to confirm this, but it looked sharp

look for it in 5 weeks. Release name should be something along the lines of "Skyrocket"

:D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] GGXtreme:
I chose the Infuse over the Galaxy S2, even though I originally felt that both were too big for me. But it came down to not being able to give up the audio quality my Captivate had and being much cheaper. I decided I'd eventually adapt to such a huge phone, and I'm happy with my decision: I've never crammed so much stuff onto my homescreends :D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
so when is att going to announce this phone?

F@#$! samsung/google postpone the event for next week.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Jep56:
I came from the Captivate (4") to the Infuse (4.5"), and love the larger screen. But, for 4.3" and 1 gb of RAM, and dual core. I don't see how it would compare to the SGS 2.

Coming from the Captivate (running Continuum), to the Infuse, I noticed a huge performance change. But essentially, it still just seems like an oversized Captivate.

Luclily, I anm a Costco member, and have 90 days, in lieu of ATT's 30, to try out phones. So, I will be going to the SGS 2.

I'll be switching not only for the performance, but also for the dev support!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
Right now im torn between this and Prime.....im still hoping the Prime hits At&t late Nov or Dec. but with only a 5mpl camera - the Celox looks a lil better at the moment.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] vagelis:
The Prime will be a verizon exclusive for at least 6 months.

The Celox will be probably available for at&t's LTE markets by the end of the year.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
thats why leaning towards the Celox. i think you right
[Samsung Infuse 4G] ap3604:
Personally I think all these reports of a "verizon exclusive" are b.s. and it will actually be a

Droid

Prime that is exclusive to Verizon while the Nexus Prime will be available to the other carriers.

Same as when the Nexus One came out and Verizon had an "exclusive" on their own version... the Droid Incredible.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
Sadly they are not. it will only be exclusive for a predetermined amount of time....but verizon will get it first. just like when sprint got the s first.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MikeyMike01:
The Verizon rumors are a load of crap.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] ap3604:
Agreed MikeyMike :D

Glad a recognized developer would be able to see this as well. No way in hell that Verizon will have an exclusive on the Nexus Prime. If anything Verizon will get the "Droid" Prime, while the other carriers will get the Nexus Prime.

Just think of it as the exact same thing as how Verizon had their own type of "Nexus One" called the Droid Incredible...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
just checked tmobile website, their galaxy s2 with 4.52" with dual core 1.5G SUPPORTS att 3G at 850mzh!!!!!!

http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=T-Mobile-Galaxy-S-II
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
As we discussed, earlier in the thread.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
where? this is a confirmation from tmobile that their galaxy s2 does supports att 3G! i going to get it once someone know how to unlock it.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Simba501:
I guess a few posts back. But we talked about how the Telus version, which is physically identical to the T-Mobile version, will have the appropriate bands.

I'd rather get the one from Telus because it won't be carrier branded.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
but we dont know when Telus will release it, i just hate waiting! i need a new toy to play with! haha
[Samsung Infuse 4G] deathpulse:
Is the T-Mobile version compatible with art 4g??
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
I hope this is true, and at&t GETS the Nexus Prime.

there are alot of good phones coming out, but thats my top pick at the moment<<
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
Lol...you guys do realize that att IS releasing a 4g lte samsung IDENTICAL in specs etc to the tmobile/telus right?

Now att has posted today the video line-up of fall releases and I may take a look at that Atrix 2...looks identical to the verizon version
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
so att gets an Orion powered gs2 and a Qualcomm powered one? weird. but ok.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
today video line-up never mention any dual core 4.5 inches phone.

so i going to get tmobile galaxy s2, i just hate waiting.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
What screen size is the atrix 2?

and no....i have seen nothing official from att regarding the celox/skyrocket...but it does exist. i had the chance to play with it thursday.

But hey...do what ya gotta do haha

Tmo sucks in my area :(
[Samsung Infuse 4G] thephoneguyusa:
Screen size of the atrix 2 will probably be 4.3
[Samsung Infuse 4G] alenzini:
I have to say that the Galaxy S2 is the top of the class on AT&T. I have an Infuse and I bought an S2 full price. I loved it. Install the same number of apps on both phones and then bring up the application list in settings. The infuse takes a very long time the S2 it is there almost immediately. Same goes for adding widgets.

The screen is smaller but crisper, but not OMG this screen is small, just noticeable.

I also have a Samsung Tab 10.1 and I'm sorry but I do like TouchWiz 4.0.

In the end, I just couldn't justify the cost. If I bought it on contract I'd still have it.

It really is night and day.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Maschil:
know what you mean... of course the galaxy s 2 wins in benchmark... but i prefer 4.5 inch screen over the speed..... my first android was a Droid x....it was too slow for me to i went to Apple... but the infuse looks good so i purchased on on ebay... but you can get the galaxy s 2's for att on ebay for around 500... with that said i like the infuse because of the size... and i am looking forward to using it...
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
The,apps and widgets lists come up faster on tw4 regardless of processor.,it looks heavier but intact it is much quicker.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
just got Tmobile Galaxy s2!

it' locked to tmobile, so i cant tell if it supports att 3g or not until someone find a way to unlock the phone.

i testing the tmobile coverage, starting Oct 16, tmobile have 30$ prepaid give you 100 minutes, and 5GB of 4g! if tmobile coverage is good, i'm cancelling att!

and if freaking att just give me a dual core 4.5 inches, then i wouldnt have given tmobile a chance!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Sarius24:
Anyone selling off their infuse pm me with your price!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
i'm selling infuse once we able to unlock the tmobile S2. yeah, i'll let you have it cheaper since i dont have to pay ebay fees.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
$500

10char
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Entropy512:
It will, at best, support one of the AT&T bands.

Also, you won't be able to leverage ANY of the I9100/I777 development on your device - NONE of it. The T-Mobile GS2 is even more of a bastard child than the Infuse is developer-wise.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
how about supports both 850mzh and 1900mzh umts? :eek:

on the phone box it listed.

gsm 850, 900, 1800, 1900.

umts band 1 (2100), band II (1900), band iv (1700), band V (850)!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Exactly. It will take forever for the T-Mo variant to get CM and Miui. The AT&T and international versions already have official CM7 support. Plus it's fairly easy to "hellraise" i9100 ROMs to the AT&T Galaxy S II so there are many possibilities for ROMs and mods already. The T-Mo Galaxy S II community basically has to start from scratch :eek:.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] alenzini:
Well I do have to admit I've never had TW4 on the Infuse. See what happens when I assume things? :)
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
i just paid 28.99$ to unlock Tmobile galaxy s2!

it does work on att 3g!

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=18482932&postcount=35
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Kevinr678:
Why'd you have to pay to unlock?
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Good luck with that. It appears you guys don't even have root yet. I'm guessing that's why he had to pay for an unlock lmao.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
the source code just released yesterday, less than 24 hours ago if you care to know. haha

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when i bought the unlock code, the source code is not out yet. i just dont want my new toy sitting in the drawer.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Um... and even once you get root it's going to be a looooonnnnnngggggg development road. Like I said, you guys are starting from complete scratch because the T-Mo variant is a one-off that's completely different than every other Galaxy S II. You'll be lucky if you get CWM and a single ROM within the next month and you'll be even luckier to get CyanogenMod before the Galaxy S III comes out.

FYI, the AT&T Galaxy S II had root, CWM, multiple ROMs, and CM7 within the first 24 hours. Just sayin. I'm happy you got your bands and the big screen like you wanted, but it seems like an awful lot to sacrifice just for the big screen. I still say bail while you can.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
i just dont get it, maybe you can tell me what so special about CyanogenMod but i do love MIUI rom tho.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Miui is based on CM7 so if you don't have CM7, you don't have Miui either. You'll understand why CM has become so popular when ICS drops. CM is always first to port the latest versions of Android back to devices that don't have official releases yet. It allowed me to run Froyo on my Aria and Gingerbread on my Captivate long before those updates were provided by the manufacturer. Similarly I would expect CM9 (ICS) to come out for the AT&T and international Galaxy S II long before Samsung gives us an update.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
or you can just buy the next latest phone like Nexus Prime! that' what i will do, then just sell the old phone on ebay to get back some money.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
i would agree, but they're so close to each other why even buy that one if thats what you were planing on doing. its only a month or so.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
everybody saying Prime going to verizon first. let' hope that' not the case.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] the2rrell:
why hope, even if they do......it will hit the the other carries within another month.

i personally dont believe the Verizon rummers, but if there is some shred.....it would just be under a different name.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Even if hits Verizon there is a good chance it will be a global phone.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
Gtg...what are your thoughts on the celox/skyrocket....assuming we do see it on att late november

I mean hell...a galaxy s2 with a larger screen and lte....surely there has to be some attraction there.

I am not sold on the 1.5 snapdragon but the lte is enticing
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Those dual core snapdragon have a great gpu. at that clock speed it should be a beat for 3d gaming.

The Tegra2 was disappointing but the other dual core chips all have strong points.

Personally I disagree with gtg a little. T mobile has some Android die hard fans since the g1. I'm sure development will pick up rather quickly. The infuse is slow because it is more popular with average consumers than developers but I like it that way because the captivate had a ton of development and a lot odd it was just bad. the t mobile gs2 has the advantage of being a modern phone all around. It will attract developers and versions of it Weil appear on carriers all over north America.

I prefer the 3.8-4.3 inch screens though, that range has the perfect feel for my hands as long as the 4.3 screen phone is slim like the gs2, no evo for me! That's for sure. I'll haves to see what all these up and coming phones look like, I wouldn't get a bionic or thunderbolt simply for there size, I will have to see how the lte phones look on att.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
Cool at first glance, but not once I think about it further. The snapdragon, even at 1.5GHz, is a step down from the 1.2GHz exynos. Its GPU isn't as good. Battery life will be worse with the higher clocked cpu, larger screen, and LTE as well. Plus development will be slow since it's a one-off. I would definitely go Galaxy Nexus over Celox if possible.

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Here are the bench numbers I'm making this claim from. I could be off base of course since no one has done an in depth performance comparison yet. Hopefully Anandtech will do a direct showdown soon. I'm betting they will.

Quadrant Advanced 3D:

T-Mobile Galaxy S II: 1045

Standard Galaxy S II: 1199

Quadrant Advanced 2D:

T-Mobile Galaxy S II: 392

Standard Galaxy S II: 888

GLBench 2.0 Egypt:

Qualcomm dual core 1.5GHz, Adreno 220 reference platform: 38.4 fps

Standard Galaxy S II: 58.5 fps
[Samsung Infuse 4G] furiousrcj:
I bought the sgs2 on release day at at&t and my wife got the infuse.

A week later, I took my sgs2 back because like the first post said, the painfully small screen on the sgs2, and snappiness of my wife's infuse were just too much to ignore.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
What has the world come to that 4.3 inch screens are now considered painfully small. Last year they were considered painfully large. As for snappiness... never heard anyone say the Infuse is snappier. And if you don't get voodoo lagfix on it you'll feel like you're swimming through molasses after a month or so when you start to get a lot of apps installed.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
well. i have 2 friends, after they seen my infuse, they said "my next phone will be 4.5!"
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
i played with sensation xl, 4.7 inches and makes infuse feel tiny like 3 inches! so cramped!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
yeah. i would love to get this phone. wait, it' (H)eavy (T)hick (C)raps!

not interested!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] 00mred00:
Thanks gtg!!!!

Odd thing is...the test phone at least....has had far better battery life...far less issues with random reboots and forcecloses...but that is stock vs stock

Your comparisons of benchmarks are solid....they are close to what i tested on the att version
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
i just play with samsung note! 5.3 inches, hd screen, make infuse feel like 1 inch phone with 4 pixels per inch crapss!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
samsung note is suppose to be my next phone. until i saw the spec.

it' freaking 178gram of fat! i just hate heavy phone! when samsung release a slim battery for it (cut the fat), i definitely getting this note at 5.3" !
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
i now play with unrelease galaxy tab ii 7 inch. only 147 gram skinny! 8.5mm. make galaxy note feel like 1cm screen!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MikeyMike01:
Uncanny.

:D
[Samsung Infuse 4G] MikeyMike01:
MOD EDIT: Watch the language

Why was "sucks" edited? How stupid.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] farmercyst:
my wife thinks my phone is 8.5 inches. she is used to seeing 4.5 inches and me telling her its 8.5...:cool:
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dfal47:
well thats kinda a let down
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Dani897:
Lol, the last couple pages are just gtg messing with netnerd.
[Samsung Infuse 4G] netnerd:
hey 00mred00! you are good!

galaxy s2 LTE coming to att Nov 6.

too bad i have no interest in it anymore! i'm getting galaxy nexus!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] dman3285:
Look...of u like the gs2 then get one...if u like the I fuse....the same goes. It depend on what u use it for. I like my infuse...but that's me. Cnet review said the only noticable difference in the dual core was gaming. I don't play games on my phone, have a ps3 for that. Don't down each otbers phone they're both great phones depending on what u use it for...:)

Sent from my SENSATIONAL INFUSE !!!
[Samsung Infuse 4G] Maschil:
WELLL SAID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh mann... i like to compare this with the iphone 4 and 4s.....

i went to at&t today with my infuse in hand.....ive been using it the past couple of days and im loving it compared to the droid x i had...the sg2 is quicker.... but for me 4.3 made this issue a no brainer.. 4.5 all the way... froyo is nice as wel..... im settled..... ill be keeping the infuse 4g hopefully for awhile or untill the second one comes out.... but i actually hope that a second one doesn't come out so i dont feel obliged to get it:rolleyes:
[Samsung Infuse 4G] gtg465x:
The second one is coming out in 5 days...