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[Epic 4G Android Development] Chabsin:
I'm now the proud owner of a bricked Epic. I'm not pro at soldering (don't even own the equipment) ... but always loving a challenge. What are the chances I'll bring this back to life? Anyone who isn't a pro been successful at this?

Edit: Opened it up ... the thing is tiny! No way I can do this myself. Anyone up to the challenge? PM.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Neckberg:
Any luck with finding someone to do this for you? I would love to know how it is.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I'm sorry. send it to me! If you want, send me a PM and I'll do it. You just pay shipping. The procedure can be very risky on this device.
[Epic 4G Android Development] brett10:
I'd almost be willing to send you my fully working epic just to do this and use it for testing and what not. I'm really not doing much with the phone other than testing the occasional MIUI build on it. How much do you think shipping would cost? Also does the SCH-i500 have the same processor as the epic?
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Shipping is usually $5 for small box flat-rate USPS from anywhere in USA.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Yeah the fascinate/mesmerize has the same processor. Im pretty sure its on Adam's list of "to do devices".
[Epic 4G Android Development] turbosocks:
adam, your a genius... haha.. very cool that you did this for us epic guys and the galaxy S family..

really neat to go from talking for years on tiburon forums and now we are both over at the android forums working on this type of stuff..

most of you don't know, but adam and i have been a big part of the RD Tiburon scene (1997-2001) Tiburons for years.

i'd like to learn a bit more about the stuff you are doing adam so i will keep an eye on your threads, DIYS, information, etc.
[Epic 4G Android Development] squshy 7:
Adam I sent you a pm.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I didn't respond because you were asking how to solder. If you need this information, I'm not the best source. Google is. I put the information about the mod in the first post. I remove the resistor, tin a small relay wire, and solder it in place. There's nothing more that I can describe that I didn't put in the first post. Its small work so the stuff you use needs to be small. That's all.
[Epic 4G Android Development] squshy 7:
EDIT: nvm, scouring the bowels of xda finally turned it up...
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I have nothing to say about this device. I've never done one. I'd like to.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Has anyone performed this mod yet? If not, please send me a device so I can resurrect it. I need pictures of the completed modification for the first post and I need to ensure the software needs no changes.
[Epic 4G Android Development] keithkevorkian:
I have a spare bricked epic with a cracked screen.maybe I'll send it your way actually I don't think its truly bricked but I can't get Odin or hemidall to recognize it still think you can resurrect it
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Cool. Send me a PM. Ill send my address.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Killasmoke:
If your not using it & can't get odin to recognize it send it to Adam so he can resurrect it like Lazarus!! Lol
[Epic 4G Android Development] nubecoder:
I've been checking Ebay every couple of days for bricked Epics...

If only I actually had some extra $$$ to buy one...

If / when I actually buy one, I'll be sure to ship it off to ya Adam.

Probably won't be for a couple of months though.

=[
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Anyone try this yet? Anyone got a device which is bricked that they can send so I can try it?
[Epic 4G Android Development] Ceelos09:
A user named "orpheus_lost" in this thread had a bricked Epic he wanted to send in a while back, although he didn't because he was told someone from the Bonsai Team had already sent one here's the thread I was talking about:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1246964
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
That's false information. I never heard anything about that. I received a device for teardown for this thread. I've not yet been able to write a how-to thread because I have not received a device to be modded. This is the next step. Someone send me a bricked device.
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
I really want to do this, I have no problem soldering, Hell my Dad worked for AT&T for 40 years & Taught Me how to solder when i was 5:p

I just need my friends busted ass Epic. the screens cracked on it & its just been siting there for two mouth.

I know next time he wants me to flash his Epic or fix his POS laptop hes going to give me that busted Epic:D
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
It would be best to send it to me. I've got a lot of experience with this. These resistors are small. I can write the how-to guide and then send it back.
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
I understand ^^^^^

I just really want to try to ;-) I would like to find two one to send you & one I can try my hand at.

Adma. Have you ever installed the two ram chips on a xbox1 to 2x the total? That's a fun mod that really pays off with xbmc ;-)

Sent from the Drivers Seat of my Suby txting and Driving doing 100MPH+ in a school zone! Ha.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ugothakd:
Ya know, I almost did that. lol. But I didn't have a soldering gun back then
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I've worked with an Xbox. This is about 8x smaller than the relatively large electronics on an Xbox. Keep in mind that these devices have more processing power than an Xbox in about 1/20th form factor. I can do this right and serve as a control. If you've never done it, you have a mediocre chance of success without a how-to guide.

This mod took months of research to develop and it may take custom software to finish. Let me write the how-to guide and finish the development of this project.

I do the tech support for this project usually... however if you want to take this on yourself go ahead. Each device has special instructions. I don't want to have to try to answer questions when I've got no experience.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Ive put ads out locally, looking for bricked phone from your list in the other thread. Hopefully someine emails me with some devices that need to be mapped and researched.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Ceelos09:
I've been looking for bricked Epics on ebay but all that ever turns up is broken or for parts Epics :\

I did bid on a soft bricked Epic that was listed as "fully bricked" but I lost the bid last minute :(

I will atempt to look for more and will keep u updated Adam, with any luck I'll come up on a bricked Epic soon and get it to you
[Epic 4G Android Development] ugothakd:
Arguing with someone who is gonna let you open their device up and solder a couple connection risking irreversible repair isn't exactly the smartest way to obtain something from them.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
It's not an argument. If he manages to get it working, I'm sending all tech support requests his way until I can get it working. I can't support something if I've never done it.

I get at least 5 PMs a day. I'm not getting paid to do this.
[Epic 4G Android Development] xboxfanj:
Call a sprint store and ask if they have any.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ugothakd:
That's an incredibly stupid idea that may work. lol
[Epic 4G Android Development] ac16313:
Lol you guys don't suppose they'd sell/give you any do you? I mean id try lol

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G Android Development] xboxfanj:
If u call a couple sprint stores within ten miles, a few have bricked epics and at least one is probably wiling to sell it
[Epic 4G Android Development] Ceelos09:
That's crazy...enough to work! I'm gna call up all the local Sprint stores in my area tomorrow morning and ask. I'll report back tomorrow to share how my "mission" went :p
[Epic 4G Android Development] nubecoder:
I'd like to chime in here...

The reference to someone already sending an Epic to Adam.

That did already happen, it was for the initial tear down to figure the mod out.

But we still need a device to actually be modded and confirmed that it's working as expected.

This is again where Adam comes in, he's done this for a few devices already, and has the ability to get changes (if needed) done to the software used to get this fully working and tested.

He's also right about how small this stuff is (smaller than video card components), I know I wont ever be doing it, I'd be sending it to someone I know can.

Let's not let this turn into a negative discussion. ;]

All that being said, I've also been on the lookout for a cheap Epic this mod could be applied to.

So far I missed out on what seems to have been the perfect opportunity from lack of funds.

But I still check on ebay every now and again.

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Best of luck to you on your mission!

=]
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
A Gun :eek: OGM never use a soldering gun on small electronics/chips ;)

No one is Arguing:rolleyes:

I know my way around electronics & obviously so does AdamOutler.

AdamOutler was just telling me/us that he has Experience with SGS phones, I was just letting Adam know that i have experience & AM NOT a soldering noob & that its :D exciting :Dto me & i want to try it myself

You also need the right kind of tools to work on the really small stuff

Adam do you use an Iron like the yellow one?
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Something like that. I keep it at 550F or 750F.
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
Its 665 to 700 F
[Epic 4G Android Development] belovedson:
hey adam does it have to be an epic?

also how much is cheap for a bricked epic?

im thinking about purchasing one and bricking it before sending it in shouldn't be too hard? haha
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Somebody seriously needs to part with their Epic for a few days. If we get this mod up and running, we'll get samicheeeessss by loading up the nexus s bootloader. PLEASE DONATE AND/OR BE ON THE LOOKOUT!!!!
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I'm telling you thats where I keep mine. I have a digital iron with a very fine point. 550F is where I let it idle so the tip does not burn. If I'm actively using it, I bump it up to 750. When I'm done, I set it back to 550 or 350.

The glue on the board works as a heat sink. 700 does not quite cut it. 750 seems to do well and I've never had a problem.

I need to get my hands on a working or bricked unit to finish this project and give you guys a recovery method.
[Epic 4G Android Development] daafisch:
DTN! I remember you and all your fancy stuff from the RDTiburon.com days.

Hopefully you can get your hands on a device and get this working for us!
[Epic 4G Android Development] nerdtaco:
The glue is called non-conformal coating. You can eiher burn through it with a solderin iron, but it is messy, and can cause bad solder joints, or you can remove it. Most coatings dissolve in rubbing alcohol. If you can get 99% alcohol, you can set your mainboard in an alcohol bath for about 10 minutes or so, then clean your board with Kim wipes, if you have them, or a clean rag. If you have 65-90% alcohol,just spot-clean it with rags/Kim wipes. If you're ballsy, you can clean remove the coating by *lightly* using a Dremel tool with a wire wheel, and then again with a buffing pad. The heatsink effect you're noticing is likely a heatsink layer in the board. Also, try and solder as quickly as you can with a butt load of liquid flux to prevent measling.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ugothakd:
I recently had an epic stolen, and got a refurb. If I ever get the stolen one back I'll send it. But chances are slim :/
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Dude, don't give advice if you'v enever done it.

The entire board is covered in that conformal coating. The entire board works as a heat sink when you touch a part of that glue, it distributes the heat throughout the glue. Believe me that I know what I'm talking about.

You should never try to remove the resistor quickly. It takes time. the glue won't let you remove the resistor quickly. it saps the heat off it. If you try to remove it quickly without heating up the glue and then the pads then you will tear the pads off the device. I did this the first time I tried to remove a resistor from the device.

The glue does not burn off very well. The glue melts at about 500 degrees. I've never burned it though

The glue does not disolve in alcohol. I douse the board in alcohol as a final step before putting the board back in the device.

To remove the glue, just cut around the edges with a razor blade, then heat up the resistor and remove it. The glue and resistor come off as a unit.

Never use a dremmel on the board, you will cut through surface traces easily. a dremmel, while as accurate as your hand, is an inaccurate tool and anything done with it is perminant.

Please refrain from giving suggestions if you've never worked on one of these.
[Epic 4G Android Development] nerdtaco:
I've never done it on an Epic, but I used to repair cameras and a tron is a tron is a tron. I work on boards for the navy now. I have always been taught to remove as much of the coating in the affected area as possible. The only components I am not qualified to install/repair/rework are BGAs, because my shop doesn't have the proper equipment. I'm sorry if I sounded condescending, I'm just trying to offer as much knowledge as I can. I am no dev, but I am an Electronics Technician so this is about all I can eally offer the community.
[Epic 4G Android Development] nerdtaco:
Also, most coatings glow under a blacklight to make it easier to see.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Ceelos09:
Well...after visiting about 3 corporate Sprint stores in my area, I was still unable to obtain a bricked device donated/sold to me. They explained to me any and all devices that are returned are immediately shipped back to the manufacturer (which I say is BS) so they didn't have any (bricked) devices in stock at all. They also explained that even if they had such a device lying around, they would have to charge me for it like any other Sprint customer. They said they couldn't even give me a device even if it were physically broken, with a bad ESN, and it being bricked :\ I'll keep bugging tho, someone's bound to break soon n just give one up
[Epic 4G Android Development] styles420:
It actually makes more sense for them to ship the phones off quickly, because they can't sell it again until it is refurbished - the faster they send it out, the faster they can sell it again (or swap it for another bricked device to save on the cost of a new unit).

They may still have a policy against it, but you might try a repair center.

Sent from my CyanogenModded %s
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fatonuseni:
Don't we have sprint store employees in the forum? Maybe one them can stepup and donate a phone?

Otherwise, I pledge $20 toward getting a test phone for Adam!
[Epic 4G Android Development] squshy 7:
That policy is not BS. What do you think we do, horde piles of bricked phones?

The official policy is we have inventoried boxes with 50-slot cardboard separators inside that we fill up. Once full, we ship them to a central warehouse. I work in only a mild traffic service shop, and we still typically fill up a box in less than a week (you wouldn't believe the amount of charging ports people break).

Another thing you need to consider is that all of those phones are in inventory. The only way for someone to give you one of those phones is if they were to adjust it out; adjusting out, however, means that we take a hit on points come audit time.

So, don't hold your breath. No ones gonna put their job at risk.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ThrIsNoSpork:
Agreed. I work at best buy and if we don't ship anything within 15 days of receiving the product it becomes a loss to our store revenue and people don't take that **** lightly.

If I could help I would but its not worth losing my job.
[Epic 4G Android Development] WhiteWidows:
I have one im willing to let him use. The screen is cracked and waiting for a fellow member to send me a new one. The screen works its just cracked on the outer layer. If Adam just needs to use it to mod it then return it id be glad to donate it for a lil while for the community. Adam pm me if ur interested.
[Epic 4G Android Development] nubecoder:
Yes, do this, that would be super!

Thanks in advance.

=]
[Epic 4G Android Development] WhiteWidows:
Ive been in contact with Adam..Im not going to wait for the screen to come in but everything works. Ill probably sent it tomorrow if feel better.
[Epic 4G Android Development] GucciPilot:
I think what we should do, is tell all the new-B's who shouldn't hack their phones, that their bootloop is a permabrick and they should send their phone to Adam!
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
LoL

Sent from the Drivers Seat of my Suby txting and Driving doing 100MPH+ in a school zone! Ha.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ac16313:
So did this ever work out?

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G Android Development] saramon:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...0915857598?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3a6bc024be

Found this one on Ebay, 75 bucks buy it now. Looks like it was a bad flash that caused the brick, so all the hardware, especially the mainboard should be good still.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ac16313:
If I had the mucho dinero I would buy this. Unfortunately I don't :(

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G Android Development] WhiteWidows:
Im sending it today...
[Epic 4G Android Development] ac16313:
Coooool, thanks you'll help a lot

Sent from my SPH-D700
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Did Adam receive it yet? Y'all are killing me with anticipation =]
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Nope. I still have not received it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
So we have software now? :D and does anyone else have a spare epic to send Adam to write a detailed guide for us?
[Epic 4G Android Development] zman519:
We should all check the recycling bins at best buys & target. I found an iPod in one & got a new screen for $9.87

Sent from the Drivers Seat of my Suby txting and Driving doing 100MPH+ in a school zone! Ha.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
I wrote up a new resurrector for this. Apparently the Epic has a S5PC111 processor, which is the same as the Galaxy Player. This requires a slightly different SBL. I've included this in the newest version of the resurrector.

Select S5PC111 and hold the download mode key combination when you click the Resurrection button. It should work. I'm waiting for confirmation before I do a writeup and ask rebellos to modify the SBL for automatic mode without having to hold the button combination.

Someone with an UnBrickable device please test this.

You can get this new resurrector here: http://code.google.com/p/hummingbird-hibl/downloads/detail?name=UltimateUnBrickResurrectornew.jar

I don't have a device to test with, so please leave feedback.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Holding the power button and 1 goes into download mode and holding the power button and the menu button on the keyboard boots into safe mode. I'm not sure of any other hidden key combos ATM.

I'll go through and check other combos to see what I can come up with when I get Odin to work on my computer again, which will be soon.
[Epic 4G Android Development] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Power, vol down, camrera gets recovery
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Is there a reset combo? Can you hold any keys to reset the device?
[Epic 4G Android Development] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Nope. Just boot recovery and wipe data.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
So if the device locks up, the only way to reset is to pull the battery out?
[Epic 4G Android Development] MДЯCЦSДИT:
There used to be volume up and power on froyo. But they removed it in GB.
[Epic 4G Android Development] xboxfanj:
If you want to talk to the major devs, join #epic at irondust.net irc. They'll probably be able to help you better than most of us can.
[Epic 4G Android Development] xboxfanj:
Btw, sorry if the irc didn't help. Apparently there's no way that we know of. And also, for the record, the guy was serious when he said we have a lot of possible combinations. Keyboard, capacitive, and hardware buttons.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Could always Odin back to eb13. We had the reboot function by holding vol up + power. But that was taken out in ec05 and GB. I think the devs will be working on getting it back into GB. No etas though.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
That's absolutely as far as possible from relevant. we need a hardware reset, not a software reset.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AdamOutler:
Also, there is no "magic button" on the back of the device. the indentation is on all Samsung device.

Great group of noobs on that irc network.
[Epic 4G Android Development] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Noobnl is an amazing guy... Same with a couple others. Some are annoying (like me (unintententionally))

Sent from my epic that didn't have CIQ before it was cool :-)
[Epic 4G Android Development] savior02:
I don't get it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] The Root:
And being belligerent helps, how? As said, it's still being looked for.

One would say you shouldn't promise what you can't deliver. Is there a combination of keys that you've heard of that we can test? There are plenty of people testing overclock kernels that could try things when the phone locks. We have as much to gain as you do.
[Epic 4G Android Development] AproSamurai:
It was random answers being thrown at him without any proper answer truthfully. Right now we're unsure if we've a key combination to reset our devices, but people started to naturally in hope through whatever they could out there. It was massacre-ish in the IRC during this point of time so his annoyance is noted.
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
Everybody is really excited for this and we all want it badly and I'm sure everyone is willing to help. But then again not everyone knows much about hardware mods so a lot of people need layman terms and hand holding to help out in the long run. But calling people "retards" isn't cool. Rob wouldn't like to see that mess anywhere.

And when Adam said he needed a hardware reset function, I figured pressing a button was under the hardware category.
[Epic 4G Android Development] nerdtaco:
Has anybody actually gotten this to work? I may actually need it. :-/
[Epic 4G Android Development] thomasskull666:
Negatory.
[Epic 4G Android Development] orlzzt:
I thought you had to actually send your phone to Adam?
[Epic 4G Android Development] duce102:
I posted in their thread for device support asking him if he would pick up support for us again, he deleted my post so I assume he's still mad at us for not being able to find a hardware reset button/combo. Hardware reset button/combo meaning a button/combo that we could press at any time from the phone loading bml1 to everything being loaded with the OS running and being completely frozen. The HP Touchpad has a combo (holding power and home buttons for 30 sec. will reset the device) that works the same way whether in recovery, bootloader, or multiple different OSs (webOS, Android, Ubuntu). I haven't been able to find this combo for the Epic.

Edit: although we do have the rough draft of plans available, no one has confirmed it works. If you perform the mod, please take lots of notes and many hi-res pics :)

Adam wanted to get another phone to perform the mod on so he could make his instructions more directed toward the Epic, since the directions we have right now are kind of vague. Adam was also willing to perform the mod for those who didn't feel able enough to perform the mod themselves. But if you feel able enough, more power to ya and please post hi-res pics and notes. I would have had this done a long time ago (along with the video out mod), if I hadn't lost access to the electronics lab at school. =/