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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
Technically, the Photon's lack of 800MHz is a certification and antenna problem. If push came to shove, Moto almost certainly *could* get it to work (if poorly) on Sprint's frequencies. The main question is whether forcing it to work with a mismatched antenna would be worth the cost of altering the radio firmware and getting it lab-certified to make the FCC happy.

In all likelihood, a firmware-tweaked Photon attempting Nextel-frequency 800MHz would end up doing no better than it would have done at 1900. In areas with strong coverage, it might benefit if 800MHz were less crowded (doubtful, if the upcoming iPhones can use it since they'll be the first to converge there), but in fringe areas where the improved indoor penetration of 800MHz would make a difference, the mismatched antenna would probably negate most of it. Rev.B can use multiple carriers, but I'm 99% sure those carriers all have to be in the same frequency band (ie, you can't bond 800MHz and 1900MHz carriers simultaneously; they all have to be one or the other).

At the end of the day, Sprint's 800Mhz spectrum is more about indoor penetration in fringe areas (and upper floors of skyscrapers) than spectrum shortage. Sprint has 1900MHz spectrum to burn, but historically has never had the backhaul capacity to really saturate it. The official statement that Sprint's upcoming improvements will still benefit Rev.A users is true. E4gT owners just won't get to have bragging rights when 3vo and moPho users fire up Ookla SpeedTest and want to compare wireless penis size :p

If it's any consolation, the Nexus Prime (or SGSIII) is going to have everyone hating life when it comes out 3-5 months from now (assuming Samsung doesn't stick a 6085 in it, too), because it's going to be one of those infamous Google-driven great leaps forward like the Nexus One that leaves everyone else's incrementally-improved miserly hardware in the dust and makes everything else suck by comparison. IMHO, the reason to return an E4gT isn't to buy a Photon or Evo3D... it's to skip this whole generation of mediocre phones and save your upgrade for the one that's going to really count a couple of months from now.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
Who's to say that the SGS3 isn't going to be released in the US next October, months after the reveal and international release? Kind of like the SGS2? So then your couple of months turns into a year.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Androidfreakz:
LoL did I miss an announcement about sprint rolling out Rev B, I never seen anything in that article that said they was rolling out Rev B. Me personally would still keep my phone, love tthis awesome phone. I can do facebook, Mobil gaming, YouTube, stream 720p Justin.TV gaming channel on 4g. Plus I love hitting 3850 on the quadrant app lol. If they did roll out Rev B that's cool, but its not hardy even worth giving up my phone for E3D or phone or any phone for that matter. Beside I gave my girl my E3D and had the photon and took it back the same day lmao, the screen is horrendous in my opinion. LUV the Galaxy S II, Cheers.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
Everything i have read so far says SGS3 will come out in europe in the may timeframe, meaning we will get it in the us probably the same time as the SGS2 next year.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I agree. The new Nexus device, whatever they finally call it, will likely take a steaming dump on the specs and performance of every other device currently on the market.

I'll be getting that Nexus.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chazglenn3:
Yeah, I'll probably get one too but I'm not returning my E4GT. I'll sell it when the Nexus drops on Sprint and pay the difference. I like my E4GT too much to return and wait on an unannounced device.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] RayLancer:
I just got my Epic 4G Touch on Friday. With the 14 days I had... it'll end on October 7... :S
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
Return the ET4G? Lol no. Keep that too...or give it to best buy for $350, not sure.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ceyo14:
I'm not gonna read this whole thread but in the beginning someone posted a screenshot and everyone miss interpreted it. Here is mine from the EVO 3d and still says rev a. Even though it supports rev b.

What I'm saying is just because it says rev a doesn't mean it doesn't support rev b.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
Lol prolly means wit its currently using?

Samsung Galaxy S Dos indeed
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ms.Dummbunny:
Very very confused....

Deleted... Re-read and got my answer : )

Ms. D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
The CPU is a Exynos...the 3G Modem chip is Qualcomm
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Ms.Dummbunny:
Yah, i was JUST reading Mr Fixits teardown line by line while u were answering... ur quick!

thanx!

Ms D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rev A in that screen shot just means that is what your device is currently polling from, the chipset is what matters and yours with the EVO 3D supports rev B.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
I heard The Nexus Prime will support Rev. C.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G WTF BBQ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tinybfk:
I can confirm i heard this from a trusted source.

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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tech7:
Multimode multicarrier is evdo rev b and i was fixing to get the epic touch i saw it today i was like wow beautiful phone then i saw the chipset i was like wtf and yea chipset is old just evdo rev a no rev b at all and about sprint the video said it all and the new network afther evdo rev a is rev b then do advance rev c got cut off and multimode is rev b and thats everywhere already so enjoy the wierd part all other 4g phones have evdo rev b and why epic touch dont have it i was like wtf they hit an apple lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
And there is no revision that can decipher what you just said.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G WTF BBQ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tech7:
Like always lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bigjim1488:
LoL you for real? Please pass me what you're smoking because it must be amazing!! No doubt the prime will be amazing but everything points that it will be here next year. With the time frame it took the SGSII to come out there is no way it will be here in 3-5 month. Your dreaming bro,:eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Greatbape:
Actually the prime will be out this year. The Galaxy s3 is a different phone that will be out next year sometime.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bigjim1488:
My mistake ;) the wall-o-text is to blame
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1BadHEMI:
Correct, BUT, I am sure Verizon will have some limited exclusivity on it until other carriers will get it. Sort of how the Nexus S was only available on T-Mobile till the summer. So, we probably won't see it till beginning of the year or a little after. At that point, since I really wasn't impressed with the Nexus S, I'll pass and enjoy the SII till the SIII comes out next fall!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Silent25r:
We all thought the Nexus S was going to be super great. When the phone made it's release I looked at my epic and was glad I didn't wait. It had no SD card and some major bugs that took a long time for Samsung to fix. The specs weren't even that much different between the two devices.

I think the biggest game changer we are going to see is the OS. 2.3 wasn't game changing to me. The next OS is suppose to be much bigger and I'm betting the GSII is going to get it unofficially and maybe even official much later. Which in my opinion isn't a bad thing. We will probably be seeing unofficially around the time that the Nexus Prime users finally convince Samsung and Google to fix all the bugs with their new OS.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tech7:
Hey what if the description is wrong about the chipset of this phone i saw the chipset that doesent say dual core and just single core and under processor speeds and the epic.touch runs faster then that hmm hope it does come with it rev b i still wanna get this phone its awsome phone
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jase33:
Now that is just friggin awesome!

sent from my SGSIISE4GT
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
yep i have it in my tow of fresno but sporadic

But it is around my school yay
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cbpagent72:
If samsung is listed as an upgrade vender for the network upgrades then don't you think they would have made this phone optimized for the new network?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mathieulh:
The prime most likely won't even be a cdma phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kurupt1:
Yeah it will eventually, and i guarantee it
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Androidfreakz:
Wow all this rev this and rev that, dang just enjoy the phone for what it is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mathieulh:
You guarantee it ? Unless you happen up work for samsung or google you can't guarantee a thing, the likeliness of google wanting the next nexus phone to work on cdma, a now depreciated technology which isn't in use in most parts of the world and which everyone is phasing out for LTE or HSPA+ is very close to null. Welcome to the real world.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
Did you mean to say deprecated? Unless you really don't appreciate CDMA any longer.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G WTF BBQ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Esteway.619:
Well won't the prime be released for Verizon first?? Verizon is a cdma network as are we sprint customers.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
> Welcome to the real world.

Careful. Nokia made the same assumption about the US, abandoned the US market, and we all know what happened to their market share over the next 5 years. Become irrelevant in the US, and you'll rapidly become irrelevant to anyone who reads reviews and articles written in the US for the rest of the English-speaking world. The US has enormous influence far beyond what unit sales and direct consumer sales might otherwise suggest. When Slashdot broke the story about Nokia partnering with Microsoft, one of the common reactions from American posters was, "I thought they went bankrupt or something 5 years ago."

CDMA is solidly supported in the 3 biggest markets on earth (US, China, and India). It's not going away anytime soon. Well, ok... EVDO might go away sooner rather than later, but I guarantee that Sprint and Verizon phones will be able to fall back to CDMA2000 voice and 1xRTT long after either or both networks have hypothetically migrated to UMTS or LTE (just like Canadian phones).

Remember, American LTE is an international standard in name more than anything -- a Verizon or AT&T "LTE" phone is useless as a "LTE" phone anywhere besides the US. The supreme irony is that a slightly hacked "4G" Sprint phone can be coaxed into doing wimax in South Korea, which is one more country than AT&T/Verizon LTE phones can handle 4G in. I think there might even be 2 or 3 other countries (Japan? India?) where the exact same wimax used by Clear/Sprint is used.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Docarut:
Boy, just wasted all this time reading this thread. I am nearly a senior and do not know how much time I have left to enjoy my SGII. I have to go now and play with my phone and not worry about this......;)

Doc
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
Well, for everyone here who's currently a Premiere Gold customer, I officially retract my opinion that the Epic4g Touch is worth passing on to wait for the next Nexus. Take this with a grain of salt and please research it independently before you leap, but it appears that anyone Gold who purchases a new phone on or before October 1 is still going to be eligible for a 12-month upgrade next year. Buy the phone on October 2, and it's a 20-month commitment.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76419

So... if you even slightly like the E4gT, Photon, or Evo3D and you're Gold... pick one, any one, but grab it NOW while you still can do it and preserve next year's final annual upgrade.

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure that if returns and exchanges are involved (swapping to/from a moPho/3vo), the final swap would have to occur on or before October 1. In other words, if you're on the fence between the three, don't wait until the morning of October 1 to pull the trigger. You've got a week. Use it wisely ;)

It still sucks that Sprint gimped the E4gT's EVDO, but for 12 months, you can deal with it since realistically, the Nexus is unlikely to show up before Christmas, anyway. You'll get a month or two of bliss, a few months of rationalization, and maybe a month or two of envy/suck before the 12-month anniversary rolls around and you can move up to Rev.B :cool:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] LouRock:
So are we concluding here that the Epic 4G Touch - SGS2 will absolutely, positively and without a doubt NOT support REV-B?

I have a full upgrade eligibility on my family account this weekend and want to make sure because I don't want a phone that's essentially going to behind the eight ball. :eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] craigbailey1986:
There is no concrete answer from sprint nor Samsung... but both have said it will work but until a release statement is made and not just some Rep blabbing about ish they don't know let's just say; to be continued........
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Scaplet:
No. The SKY!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
If there IS anything above and beyond Rev.A that can be tweaked and bitbanged out of the 6085 beyond its official feature set, I can still say with a high degree of confidence that it will never, ever do multi-carrier (which is the main thing everyone cares about). So, under the most ideal 3G circumstances devoid of 4G, the E4gT will max out at ~3mbps instead of ~9mbps theoretically achievable by a Photon or 3vo.

The E4gT will absolutely, positively work after Sprint upgrades to rev.B -- it just won't take advantage of it, and will operate with rev.A speeds like it always has, and always will.

The big question is, how often do you believe you'll ever find yourself in an urban environment, with clear signal from multiple towers, but no viable 4G? Those are the signal conditions you realistically need for rev.B to genuinely matter.

We all know Sprint's 4G sucks, but let's be honest... if you're in a big city with clear signal from multiple towers and not in a moving vehicle, how likely to you really think it's going to be that you'd find yourself someplace where you had a 6-9mbit/sec rev.B signal on a moPho or 3vo, but couldn't do at least as well with wimax?

If it's any consolation, moPho users go through the same gut-wrenching agony cursing Sprint and Motorola for making the CPU 1GHz instead of 1.2GHz. We can rationalize the difference as unimportant, but it's always there, nagging away even though it's largely theoretical most of the time due to power management throttling anyway. Rev.B is no different.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I'm with you.

I'm not agonizing this. Sure, it would be nice, but, I'm an upgrade-aholic. I'm going to get the Nexus Prime anyway, so, whatever, you know?

On the interim however the more people they can take off of the spectrum I'm on--whatever that is--I'm thrilled about. I would be even more thrilled if there was adequate back-haul to accommodate all of us. That is my primary concern. ~3mbps would be amazing. ~2mbps would be a gift from god. ~1mbps would be shockingly thrilling at this point of the game.

This network has become saturated. I'm very patient with Sprint. Their prices and unlimited policy make it easy...until lately. Sure, the recent giant dip in network performance (and signal for some) may be a sign of 'network upgrades in progress', though they also perfectly fit the pattern that I have been witnessing since the Evo4G originally came out...when I could get 2mbps with a strong signal, 1.5mbps all over town and ~1mbps at my apartment with a marginal signal....now ~500kbps seems to be the norm, ~1mbps off peak, ~150-300kbps lunch time where I work.

...color me skeptical...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
I travel all over the country and the scenario you describe is very common. Especially in a car/taxi. Very Very common.

---------- Post added at 10:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:07 PM ----------

"Agony"? - LOL! My Photon has more CPU power that I'll need during its life cycle - e.g. the second core rarely even turns on.

BUT - Sprint's network just keeps getting slower. That's what we need - bandwith!

Another case in point - I can't remember how fast the clock speed is in my new-ish quad core i7 desktop, but I can tell you exactly how fast my DSL connection is spec'd and whether I'm getting that bandwidth.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
+5 Insightful

That has been the real hold up with Sprint's (surprisingly stellar) smartphone selection ever since the EVO4G came out...and has become more and more evident. The EVO4G is still more than fast enough for anything but the fanciest newest games. The biggest limitation to the "smartphone experience" for anything in Sprint's lineup is, well, Sprint...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cbpagent72:
LoL, you know that Verizon is cdma right? With that info I am a 100% sure that the prime will be cdma.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
UPDATE: Sprint Upgrading Existing 3G Coverage Area To EvDO Rev B October 7th? (ET4G & 3VO Compatible) – GizmoFusion
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
old article?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
September 14th, 2011
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Lonewuhf:
Which means it's been posted all over the forums already. I think it's even been posted in this thread. Please actually read the thread you're posting in before posting.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
Too bad I was the one who posted it in this forum before I decided to post it in this thread. Smart guy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Lonewuhf:
How does that make my post any less relevant?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] GadgetMonger:
So

The last post in that link says according to the data spec sheet the GSII's chip doesn't support Rev B. Link isn't very definitive. Would like a confirmation on this... :confused:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Lonewuhf:
So would we all, but with current information it seems that the Epic will not be compatible with rev B but will work on the 800 mhz spectrum.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] GadgetMonger:
This is a very nice feel good response for those who have already committed to the device for 2yrs to which I must respectfully respond... F*ck that!

I buy the latest and greatest gadgets for a reason and they damn well need to support all the latest technologies. Period. Just one mans opinion.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
You're right, but the unfortunate fact is that every single one of Sprint's top 3 Android phones has at least one major gimp compared to the other two. They're all gimped differently, but the fact is that there is no single one of them that clearly blows the other two away. The E4gT came the closest non-RFwise and the latest, which is why it makes Sprint/Samsung's complete and total dropping of the ball with respect to rev.B so shocking and absurd.

HTC used the MDM6600 all the way back to the original Evo, but they could be forgiven if they didn't support it by virtue of having been out 3 months ago.

Motorola used the MDM6600, and it would be hard to have given them a "get out of jail free" card if they dropped the ball.

What makes Samsung's dropping of the ball so galling is the fact that their decision to use the QSC 6085 was almost certainly an intentional cost-cutting decision by Samsung's management (almost certainly unnoticed by Sprint until it was too late to change anything). Why do I say this? Because Samsung's OTHER Galaxy S2 phones -- for GSM networks, no less -- have chips that can do rev.B. Think about that for a moment -- if you could get Sprint to activate it and allow you to use it (and Samsung implemented the firmware to enable it), the AT&T, T-Mobile, or international versions of the SGS2 would actually get better EVDO performance on Sprint than Sprint's own version (but you'd have to sacrifice wimax).

How many of us ever thought we'd see the bizarre day when a GSM phone has better CDMA capabilities (on paper, at least; AFAIK, none of them actually implemented them in the radio firmware or got them FCC-certified) than Sprint's own flagship phone? Shakespeare, Kafka, and the Greeks could hardly have come up with a more absurd tragedy of "epic" proportions.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
Is this serious? Move along and keep tryin to save face though.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Just out of curiousity, how does it make his post any less relevent?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
He was trying to act as if I reposted some stuff from months ago, when in actuality I was the first to post it here and only did so a few days ago.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
So Hesse seems to have mentioned Sprint will be doing their own LTE network early 2012 and field testing has already started.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20...te-network-in-early-2012-scoop/?tag=cnetRiver

No mention of Rev B, but since they are tearing down the towers and rebuilding it is certainly possible.

Also Photon apparently is capable of 800SMR (nextel bandwidth being re-deployed), but never got certified for 800SMR.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Sorry bud but you weren't the first to post it. Check the second post here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1271527
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayv1717:
i believe i was :cool: ..lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] takeheart:
Directly from Sprint forums:

Official Sprint Answer:

Sprint is committed to delivering the highest quality network experience. Our Network Vision plan will improve your network experience, but it does not include any EVDO Rev B launch. Sprint has evaluated EVDO Rev B and chosen to go directly to 4G connections. Since we are not launching EVDO Rev B, none of our handsets supports EVDO Rev B.

Thank you for your interest in our Network and Chipset Technologies!

http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/341384#341384
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] odub303:
Maybe everyone will stfu now lol.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayv1717:
lol nope most likely eveyone will move on to the whole wimax/lte radio now :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
According to cnet, sprint is upgrading to lte this october and discontinuing their wimax rollout.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayv1717:
which means the epic 4g touch might be left behind.. i'll be super pissed :mad:.. but i'll worry about that in 2012
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
No, you'll still be able to use the existing 4G infrastructure...lol...just like me, in a 4G saturated area yet can't connect to 4G once I go indoors or roll up the window in my truck, or it's windy.

But the upside is that for the few months before LTE devices (and likely WiMAX/LTE devices before anything) roll out they will be working on deploying the new infrastructure. So, in theory, there will be 4G for every technology for a while.

WiMAX, I feel, is the superior protocol. Sprint's 4G spectrum, however, is a completely disgusting joke. Razor thin slices of radio waves. If they are putting LTE on the same frequencies it will suck just as much, unless of course they are going to get it certified and licensed @ 800mhz, then we're going to see some amazing 4G...

I don't follow Sprint's spectrum too closely, so, surely there is something I'm missing for why they are jumping to LTE...more spectrum? Wider bands?

Either way, your ET4G will be very obsolete by time WiMAX is shut off completely.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jayv1717:
:confused: shows how much i know..lol.. idk wth they're doing but they need to do something cause 4g right now pretty much sucks! by the way i'll probably be on my 3rd new phone from here to then.. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] younggangsta_s:
First to make it in a thread so it didn't get buried.