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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ptfdmedic:
Guys please don't kill this forum before we even get started. This tread no longer serves a purpose and bashing the OP is counter productive. Please treat each other with a bit of respect.

Very much looking forward to my replacement showing up today. I bricked it within a few hours of activation.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cachorropedorro:
This thread has too many unsuccessful trolls and derps.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] conantroutman:
Nope, not if I have anything to do with it.

Thanks, well said.

Please helps us out by reporting the trolls help to prevent this forum from going down the pan.

Agreed. Closed.

No infractions this time around but rest assured if you think you can get away with repeated instances of this kind of behaviour then you are sadly mistaken.

Play nicely kiddies.....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TurboFool:
On most Android phones in the Development section you can set the screen to stay on when charging, but that's missing on this one. Any idea where it went, or how I can approximate the same function?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] urinsane:
Trying to figure this one out too. "Screen On" in the market allows you to set this as an option, however I seemed to get the loss of signal problem much more frequently when I use this app. I haven't tested extensively so I could be wrong, but I hope this gets added through a custom ROM soon. Listening to Spotify at work is annoying when I have to wake up my phone and unlock each time I want to change tracks.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Success100:
it was taken off of the galaxy I and II familys because super amoled screens suffer from burn in super easy
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TurboFool:
I installed ScreenTimeoutSwitch and I'm pretty happy with it. The most it will do is 240 minutes of on-time, but that's not bad.

Galaxy S 1 had it, since I'm coming from an Epic and used to having the feature. Hadn't heard about there being an issue before. That's a problem on car rides, when the point is not to have to reach over and turn on the screen. Also, as far as I'm aware their desk docks and car docks override this and keep it on, so that doesn't jive...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rujelus22:
I have been using tasker to set this. Just made a profile that set the screen timeout to the highest when plugged in and then back to 30sec when not plugged in.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] walord:
+1 QFT

Do not set your screen to stay on unless you want to be annoyed by ghosting in about a month. I suggest you use the 15second screen timer and avoid displaying static images.

My OG Epic had some visible burn-in due to my music player staying dimly lit while driving. I could see the player controls in yellow on any white screen displayed.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TurboFool:
Odd, my OG Epic has no such problem. And a 15-second screen timer makes the phone next to useless. I find anything under a minute incredibly frustrating to use.

Sorry, these descriptions sound like an unusable device. 15 second timeout, and avoid displaying static images? Sounds excessively fragile. Also doesn't jive with anything I've heard about the device or my own experience with the previous one. I feel like people are being overly-cautious here. As well, if this is true, where's the public outcry? Those limitations are unreasonable and should have prevented this from being a popular technology.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Success100:
well, alot of the galaxy phones had it disabled. For example, I had the Samsung Galaxy S 4G from Tmobile and it did not have this option with the most recent software update.

Screen burn in is an issue on any amoled display. its not that bad, but if you do get it, it shows up on gray and blue images.

Thats the reason its been disabled on alot of them to prevent burn-in.

Now, if you choose to use a hack or app to keep it on just keep in mind that static images on full brightness after about a few minutes will cause ghosting from screen burn in
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] TurboFool:
Interesting. Well, I will keep that in mind. I've been doing it for a while now with this one with no problem, and obviously when I'm driving the navigation stays on the whole time. Still, it hasn't been very long. I figure if I have issues by the time we're closing in on a year I can always get a warranty replacement to hold me for the next eight months.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Gilbot:
I mainly want screen on while I'm driving to reduce distractions/interactions when changing music tracks. I have the car home app and if I use car home when plugged in, the screen will never turn off.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] walord:
That's exactly how I got the burn in, using pandora and other music apps while driving allowed the controls to burn into the screen.

Now I have a bluetooth enabled car stereo and I can control pandora and my music player through it so the screen can just stay off.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Hanson68:
The burn in issue is due to the fact that the blue led will start dimming before the other two. When that happens, the areas where the blues start dying get discolored since the blue subpixels aren't at 100%. I'm not sure if this was resolved with SAMOLED+, but it's probably still an issue. Again, as long as you don't leave a static image that drives the blue high, it won't be an issue.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phatmanxxl:
Does burn in occur when the screen brightness is %100? Or will it also happen when the brightness its turned all the way down?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Mistic92:
What do you think. Can Asus upgrade our tf101 to tf101g version for payment? I think it would be great opportunity for many people's who couldn't buy 3g version few months ago and now need 3g.

Maybe someone can write letter to Asus with question about it?

(sorry for my english :P)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] baseballfanz:
Do they have the ability to? Probably yes.

Will they do it? Probably NO.

Name of the game is to sell products.:D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
The price they've had to charge to pay someone who's on first-world salaries to make an upgrade that's not part of a production-line process would almost certainly prevent them doing this. You'd likely be better off just selling your TF101 second-hand, then buying a new TF101G, instead.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Mistic92:
But when we send transformer do service they can give us option to upgrade to 3g. Sometimes they have to change whole motherboard so they can add 3g.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Whitesage:
No way.

Always been that way...

...is like if you say "Can you upgrade my 16 GB version to a 32 GB?"

As you can see for the iPad...You have to keep your old product until you think that is too old for your needs...and sell it and buy a new one.

As someone said before me...this is the capitalist world : Name of the game is to sell products!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
As I said, you'd have to pay them more for the upgrade than it would be worth to you. A first-world tech support facility with first-world tech support staff and first world taxes, liabilities etc. costs a lot more to run than a factory in China or wherever else, and dismantling and upgrading products by hand takes a lot longer than shoving in the same part over and over on a production line as part of a carefully optimized process. By the time you stick in a reasonable profit margin as well, and the cost of the new part, and the cost of disposing of the old parts, etc., you'd quickly end up paying more for the upgrade than you'd lose selling the old item second hand and buying a new one.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Globespy:
3rd world salaries? the irony here is that the countries you're referring to are actually becoming the new global economic super powers and it's the USA that is making the inevitable move to 3rd world America. look it up if you care to read about the world economic situation.... yes off topic I know, but I'm sitting in the sun drinking my latte and was bored! ;)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I'm well aware of that (I grew up in Asia myself), but take a look at the GNI per capita last year, and you'll see what I'm talking about. Here's a comparison of the GNI of the USA, against all countries where Asus has factories. (AFAIK, the Transformer is made in one of Asus' Chinese factories):

United States: $47,020

Czech Republic: $17,310

Taiwan: $16,392

Mexico: $8,960

China: $3,620

(All figures in US dollars, as quoted from the World Bank's Doing Business Project)

Yes, China is a powerhouse, but when one takes account of the size of their population, things don't look so rosy for the individual guy on the street.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Globespy:
Ahaa! I appreciate the reply. Yes, whilst these figures are true now my point was that unfortunately the US economy seems to be beyond the event horizon and I really don't believe that we can pull ourselves out of this mess. Of course that's exactly what the wealthiest people want, the continued transfer of wealth to the few, kind of like wringing the last few drops from a wet towel before throwing it in the trash.

I used to work for Microsoft for 6 years and we employed a ton of technical people from India. The reality is that India's economy is also growing and it's only a matter of time before an equilibrium is reached where Indian nationals an choose not to live away from their families and sending money home (as they do). When that comes our tech industry is in serious trouble as we simply do not have the inhouse talent in this country to meet demand.

Right now life for the average basic blue collar skilled workers in Asia is not that great, but the clock is ticking and these things will change. Perhaps not in our current generation, but 2 generations from now I'm sure I'd rather live in Asia!

Thanks for this wonderful off-topic discussion - hopefully the iron fist does not see it. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] finalhit:
i don't understand the desire to put 3g on your tablets/laptops...etc.

just put data plan on your phone (if you're on xda, you're probably the type that already has it) and tether. your phone is the most likely device you'll have "on the go". getting data on your phone is probably cheaper than getting a data plan by itself.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Globespy:
Couldn't agree more with you! Most phone companies rape you for data on tablets because they see them as different from a phone, more like a computer and that means people will use them more. Look at the cost of plans with 3G/4G tablet contracts through the likes of Rape-izon and you will quickly see that you don't need another big bill each month when you are probably already paying for an unlimited data plan on your phone. T-mobile has unlimited everything for $49. 99 and they are fair with data usage and don't throttle your speed unless you are being silly. If you live in an area that has Metro-PCS, and then same thing applies - all you can eat for $40 and they have android phones.

Tether from your android phone - almost every android phone has this option - usually called mobile AP. Or if you don't have an android phone or other phone that can tether, you could look at something like a clearwire 4G mobile hotspot that you can take with you anywhere you go and be sure to have a mobile data connection. they have a deal right now for $49. 99 for unlimited data, and which is way better than those blood suckers at Verizon.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
Xoom users are able to send their 3g tablets in to upgrade it to 4g. Why wouldn't we be able to have 3g installed? If we're paying for it...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
I think the OP should wait a little while to see which tablets arrive in the marketplace. Because even ASUS has a new slider tablet, e.g.

ASUS Eee Pad Slider SL101-A1-BR Tablet PC - Mocha NVIDIA Tegra 2 1.00GHz 10.1" 1GB Memory DDR2 16GB Flash HDD NVIDIA ULP GeForce $480

ASUS Eee Pad Slider SL101-B1-BR Tablet PC - Mocha NVIDIA Tegra 2 1.00GHz 10.1" 1GB Memory DDR2 32GB Flash HDD NVIDIA ULP GeForce $580

Add the original two TF101 and these two, plus future options for 3G data, and there will be a bunch of models. And, other companies are putting out a lot of new models between now and new years holidays. Plus ASUS is finally getting a complete line of accessories, and prices are stabilizing (harder for crazies to scalp high prices on hard to find items).

I would sell my old version and either: (1) get a discount on exactly what I wanted or (2) wait for exactly what I wanted.

Consider not every brand/model may get the next Android OS version (ice cream) and/or some versions may be locked from rooting. Another good reason to wait for exactly what you want. :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] frosty5689:
If I'm not mistaken, the Xoom has a 3G/4G slot somewhere where they can easily just po-in the 3G/4G module and bam you have 3G/4G. Where as the Transformer without 3G have basically have not taken this design so the 3G version most likely have a SIM card slot?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
Point is if we pay for it, why wouldn't they?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Leshy1991:
my suggestion is get a dock and a 3g dongle

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1259677
[Eee Pad Transformer General] droidjens:
Without inspecting the innards of 3g version and non-3g version side-by-side, I doubt anyone can give an educated guess as to whether upgrades will be available/possible/profitable or not.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] tekkitan:
I have a dock. But I don't want to carry my dock and a dongle everywhere I go :P
[Eee Pad Transformer General] gtsfrost:
diy yourself? just kidding.

anyway to change to 3G your entire bezel also must change to accommodate the 3G. plus the drain of batt is higher. seriously suggest u to get a mifi, or a phone to tether. its cheaper, more viable, and you can tether to your other devices too.

I don't think Asus will offer the services at all. 3rd Party, maybe, Asus, no. Believe they are working on their newer products.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] typci:
I looked at some pictures of an open non-3g transformer. I looks like there is a spot for the 3g card and it just needs to soldered in. Of course there is the problem of changing SIM cards as the non-3g transformer won't have a slot for it on the bezel.

Also, I live in China. There are plenty of computer repair shops that would be willing to solder in the 3g card for me, probably for about $5-$10(USD) plus the cost of the card.

I'm pretty sure the 3g-card is just a production model and not something specially designed for the transformer. Special designs cost more money, and Asus is looking to keep costs down. I mean Asus isn't Apple.

After that, switch to a 3g based transformer firmware and it should be all good.

If anyone can provide me with information on the make and model of the 3g card in the transformer, I'll take a shot at adding one in and let you know how it goes.

I'm pretty sure the only difference between the 3g and non-3g models is the card and firmware. Asus will want to keep things as simple as possible for production reasons.

EDIT: Here is the picture I was refering to with the open spot of a 3g card: s2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/driftspec/Asus%20Transformer/?action=view&current=IMG_6007.jpg

Credit to the Minor teardown thread: xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1109928
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kasimodo:
It's just what I'm looking for... I've seen same pictures and I would like to know if someone has open a TF101G (not TF101) to see which 3G module is?

And indeed I already use a TF101 with TF101G Rom with 3G module and it works fine.

But next step...

Regards
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
I also saw the picture in the minor tear down thread if anyone gets this working thats next on my list along with slightly better speakers :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kasimodo:
Hmmm... i think it's dead. The 3G module used in TF101G is a Huawei EM820W. It's a mini PCI module but there is no mini PCI into the TF101 so...

But is there a way to solder a 3G USB dongle inside (only the PCB of course)?

The problem is that there is only one USB port (the same that for charging) and if we use this port, could we plug and charge the TF101 too?

Any idea?

Regards
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
Ill have a look into it but no promises
[Eee Pad Transformer General] luna_c666:
The dock is capable of supporting multiple usb devices so i am going to say that barring there is a usb hub integrated in the dock (a very real possibility) you will need a way to run the 3g dongle in parallel to the power/usb port on the tf to keep from killing it's functionality, and we would have to test of there is some sort of "key"- possibly a resistor of a certain ohm or even worse an eeprom chip with an encrypted key-that is the prerequisite for the keyboard to be recognized by the transformer. There has to be something to tell the tf that it is the dock plugged into the port and not just the charger, for example, whether that is done by an extra pin on the connector or some other means will have to be figured out first if you want to still be able to use a dock in the future (to me, it sounds like a task just on the other side of feasible given the technical hardships that must be overcome to achieve it, it may be better to trade the og in at a loss and buy a tf101g that may be the most cost effective solution once we get down into the guts of the tf) and if this key exists must make sure it's function is not compromised.

Im all for hard mods, i put a pc dvd drive in my og xbox so i could read burnt media, so upgrading hardware on consumer products to enhance their functionality is something i am familiar with, and would love to see this work but i have my doubts honestly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ratindahat:
If you look at that picture, i see an area for a mini pci connector.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Kasimodo:
I don't see anything. Which picture?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] bartnikj:
If you combine this:

i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/264683275_1/MINI_PCI_E_SOCKET.jpg

with this:

i2.photobucket.com/albums/y28/driftspec/Asus%20Transformer/IMG_6007.jpg

you should see it. The bottom left of the image with a lot of pins.

Sorry, but I can't embed pictures (my first post) so you have to open them by yourself.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ratindahat:
where the big red ellipse is. I believe that looks like the pads for a surface mount mini-pcie socket.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Danzano:
I think your right !! so has anyone ripped apart the g version to cross referance with?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bongo2k:
Bump, I will be willing to try this if someone can point me where to get the pci connector.

Update: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-PCI-...rfaceCards&hash=item19cdf12f0b#ht_4058wt_1396 is the same socket isn't it?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] diver864:
Source for ASUS TF101/G parts

There is a source Sweden that appears to carry replacement parts for the TF-101 and TF-101G. I was looking for two screws to replace the ones in the bezel, when I noticed they have a PCB section with some daughter boards. I've no idea what the daughter boards listed here are (and there are no pictures), but wonder if one of them might be of use?

asusparts . eu
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You can match the part numbers to the stickers in your Transformer, or just look at TechRepublic's teardown -- most of the stickers are legible enough.

http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...ormer-tf101/6270147?tag=content;siu-container
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Djhg2000:
Very interesting indeed, I emailed them for some info about the daughterboards and a link back to this thread so hopefully we'll soon know what it would take to upgrade.

One major problem could be the SIM card slot, as the 3G card itself obviously gets it from something else mounted next to the bezel. It could be a connector with a bit of flex PCB, but it could also be on the mobo for all I know.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Goatshocker:
Jesus christ those prices are insane!

Just made a quick calculation, building a dock by buying the parts from there would be almost 3x as expensive as buying a new dock from a store.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Djhg2000:
Sorry guys, I forgot to update my post, they replied almost immediately saying they couldn't check because they didn't have them in stock.

I did find this however:

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/147611-asus_eee_pad_transformer_tf101g-1b191a_3g

Note that in the description, they have this:

"3G Embedded	Yes, Huawei EM820W (GSM, HSPA+ (I,II,V,VIII))"

A quick eBay search for the modem yields many results with images, confirming that there's no SIM slot on the card itself:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=huawei+em820w

However, judging from the eBay auction descriptions, it's apparently fairly common for use in some major brands of laptops. finding one of those might provide clues as to how it interfaces with the SIM slot.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Djhg2000:
After some searching on Google, I found these:

Trouble replacing an EM770W with an EM820W, MSI Windpad without SIM slot

http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/other-brands/42626-msi-windpad-110w-43.html#post276607

Pinout for standard SIM to miniPCIe

http://www.mp3car.com/wireless-comm...a-into-aopen-i45gmt-hd-board.html#post1334099

miniPCIe riser with SIM slot

http://www.hwtools.net/adapter/MM3U.html

Looks similar to the adapter described in the MSI Windpad thread

http://www.embeddedworks.net/pdetail.php?mn=assy&mid=massy1100&prod=assy078

Anyone feeling adventurous? :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] typci:
Glad I ran across this thread again.

Here's a module with sim card adapter, but I doubt its specific to the TF101G:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15146891657

Anybody got pictures of the inside of a TF101G? If I could see what it looked like, I might be able to find the appropriate part here in China. Or maybe someone could find the teardown/repair manual for the TF101G?

EDIT:

OK, I looked over the pictures from this teardown thread:

http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...30&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto

If my understanding/vision is correct, the EM820W card is on the opposite side of the tablet from where the SIM card tray is. So how/where does the TF101 sim card reader connect to either the motherboard or the PCI slot? Is it like the adapter I have in the link above where it shares the PCIe slot with the EM820W? If it is, then I'd just buy a setup similar to the one in the link above and use it because I doubt I'll ever switch out the simcard. I won't buy the one from the link above because I can get it for a cheaper price, nothing wrong with it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Djhg2000:
From what I know, that looks like the best shot we have at making this work.

I haven't really looked into the software side of this, but I would assume the ME820W driver is included in some of the major ROMs with 3G support, anyone have some more info on this?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] typci:
All i need is to know how the sim card interfaces with the Tf101, so I can find a replacement/similar part. If someone who has a Tf101G would open it up for some pics, it would be a great help. If not, maybe when I have some free time I'll go to Asus service center and ask.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Djhg2000:
If I had the money I absolutely would get one and post pics of everything, but being a student I don't really have that much of an income. I bought my TF101 after lots of saving and a summer job. The rest of the money went to various unfinished side projects and dev kits, which in retrospect perhaps wasn't the best way to spend it :p .

That aside, from the generic pinout link it looks like the Transformer itself likely doesn't even bother with the SIM slot and leaves it entirely to the 3G card. I imagine that would also be the easiest way to deal with it, simply routing copper paths directly from the miniPCIe slot to the SIM slot and call it a day.

There's no guarantee it will work, but assuming they didn't complicate things with their own SIM interface it should work.