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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ace0603:
Short version to answear your question

"NOBODY KNOWS"

Sorry about that we all just need to get our panties out of a bunch and wait until sprint acvutally says if they are even going to EVDO revb b. I highly enjoy the S2. Rev b would just be another perk to top the cake.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daryelv:
GalaxySSupport tweeted this to me today...

@daryel Here is the spec sheet for the SGS2. bit.ly/qGdtZS ^Scot

looking at the link, it's from a FAQ...

The cut and paste didn't work so well, but I included the link in the tweet sent to me above. It does not list 802.11n either, but everyone says that it has it. So, the water just continues to get muddied.

-Daryel
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] viper786:
I asked my parrot if our phone has evdo rev.b support.

He said yes.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Can anybody with a magic 8 ball confirm this please?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
I don't have a magic 8 ball, but my Ouigi board says that the SGS2 does in fact NOT have EVDO rev B support.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] viper786:
Conflicting answers again...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kunji:
and REV B is a pipe dream...not going to happen
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Everybody knows Ouija boards don't work...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
I trust the parrot

side note: never trust a squirrel
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I asked my 8 ball if he did ask his parrot and "it is decidely so"
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
I swear I wasn't pushing it! Were YOU pushing it?!??!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Joey SR:
Aside from rev.b. I know we get the 800mhz, it was stated somewhere. How about 1xEV-DO?

Sent from my Epic Touch 4G
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
^^^This, straight to the wig^^^
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] R1ptide:
On a quasi related note, this phone doesn't support roaming on the pcs band
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
It has nothing to do with coherence, your charred in the heart. Stop trying to help people, just sit upon your perch and understand we aren't as omniscient as you.

"I am Babycakes, I am Babycakes, I am the woooooorld!"

/gargoyle feeding
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] worldwidepmp:
I was in on chat session with representatives from the Sprint Premier Program and I read this, take it with a grain of salt though...

ralph:

Rumors are out there that the ET4G just came out will not support revb any truth?

Friday September 23, 2011 2:20

wengla02: Ralph - please direct your Network questions to the Network and Coverage space; the Network Vision program does not include EVDO RevB, so no Sprint handset currently out or coming this year will support EVDO RevB. Sorry...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Drakhar:
Just talked with an engineer for Sprint, he wasn't sure what the announcement on October 7th would be, but he said if he was a betting man he would bet it's either the iPhone 5 or the announcement of Sprint dropping WiMax and going to LTE.

I asked him if Sprint is going to EVDO Rev. B and he said he was 99.9% sure Sprint will not be going to EVDO Rev. B anytime soon...

Sound like there is no need to worry about this phone not having Rev. B support... :cool:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
This seems logical, because the iPhone 5 is going to launch into a salivating market. So, there will be much fanfare, however Sprint will have the fanfare of the first iPhone launch on the carrier piled on top of that.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
So they have decided to ditch the current 4G infrastructure and not to go with EVDO Rev. B and on top of that pile on the droves of data hungry iPhone users. I don't care that Android users use more, there are people who want an iPhone--not a smartphone. It's not the quantity of data I'm concerned with, it's the quantity of users. (a few connections consuming tons of data is a lot easier to serve reliably than a ton of connections consuming a little data).

Now I know they they aren't "ditching" WiMAX but "transitioning" to LTE....for some reason....even though WiMAX isn't the problem it's the spectrum....and I know that even if EVDO Rev. B isn't in the plans (or immediate plans) there is the 1xAdvanced up their sleeve.

I just hope those bozos know what they are doing, cuz one slip and it's hostile takeover time--especially if this ATTMobile merger goes through....which it likely will eventually...somehow.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
Mobile drama is at a boiling point right now. With the iPhone coming, the potential merger, Sprint's repositioning, ICS, a highly anticipated Nexus device, death/firesale resurrection of WebOS and Samsung crushing it on hardwares, you couldn't be more accurate on the importance of Sprints upcoming network move.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I've come to the point where I know my phone will be capable of 800mhz but possibly not rev B and that doesn't disappoint me that much anymore. I would seriously love rev B but I'm not so sure that is a deal breaker for me now. This phone rocks and the development for it will only get better. I already get decent 4g (even though that kills the battery).
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I'm having a hard time telling if you are in the denial stage or acceptance stage. A lot of people seem to be in the anger stage except those people who seem to be in the bargaining stage with CSRs. I think I'm a little depressed we can't get a straight answer on this. While not every rep knows the answer I'm sure some engineers at Samsung and Sprint know the answer.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] latinmaxima:
I can't believe there are this many posts about this topic. Who the hell cares this bad about a potential technology that isn't confirmed not is the chipset since the technology isn't out to test. I usually stay out of these posts cause it just drags it out but if your not happy with the phone cause what it might not do on technology that might be out in its service life then go get a ****ier phone or wait for another phone that might come out next month from one of two companies leading mobile right now. While some posts have been informative and good questions, the whiny *****y posts just are overwhelming.

Dicho por el Epic Touch de latinmaxima
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
Apparently everyone claiming in this thread about iphone 5 doesn't know **** about apple.

For the last time apple WILL NOT allow sprint to announce the iphone 5 ahead of them. THEY HAVE NEVER, EVER allowed a network to announce their new products.

Unless somehow apple shows up at their conference and surprises everyone, i HIGHLY doubt sprint will announce a brand new iphone. If it is going to be an iphone then its most likely iphone 4.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I agree, Apple wouldn't want Sprint to steal their thunder.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
If you buy your phone based on future updates, you are doing it wrong.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I know man. Between this and the Apple vs The Entire Tech World lawsuits it is a complete geek soap opera. I find it very exciting. Unfortunately things could very well play out in a way that sucks--hardcore--for everyone, especially us lowly consumers. I don't have much faith that it will turn out any other way, but, there is a chance and watching it unfold is rather exciting...the advances I've seen in technology in my lifetime have been staggering and I'm only 32.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
Lol verizon announced the iphone this year, not apple
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
no they didn't da fuq you talking about.

iphone 4 was announced months before verizon even got it.

the cdma version of iphone 4 wasn't anything new. It was the same exact iphone with a cdma radio.

Huge diff in a small radio modification then a brand new phone
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
You've obviously never purchased from HTC. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
Actually I have, and that's why i stopped. Id rather have to deal with samsung and their ****ty updates then go back to htc.

The fact that they add 1 thing and then call it a new phone pisses me off. That and the fact that their design team sucks balls. Seriously, how many phones do they have to make that look EXACTLY the same before they realize that it's getting old.

But this isn't the case with the iphone argument. Apple has announced EVERY full version phone ever since the original. This means iphone, iphone3g, iphone3gs, and iphone4.

Hence why I said sprint won't announce an iphone 4s/5 ahead of apple but they might announce an iphone 4 with sprints cdma radio.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chazglenn3:
I read on the net that Apple might announce the new phone on Oct 4th. The Sprint announcement is Oct 7th. Seems possible...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
That could be possible. Totally forgot about that rumor.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Jmelendez1:
I certainly hope its just a matter of a software upgrade.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] radrian92:
Finally read thru 20+ pages and I gotta say that its like reading thru a soap opera script! This is truly Epic lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
The QSC series is a 'system on a chip' - just because the data sheet indicates it has pic and video capabilities (and it does), doesn't mean that the phone manufacturer uses the QDC to to those things. They apparently use other chips to do those things in the SGSIISET4G.

So, sorry, the fact that the phone has higher pic and video capabilities than the QSC doesn't mean the QSC is rev 2. It might just mean they use parts of the old QSC.

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No - not at all. Evrc = Enhanced Variable Rate Codec. Something ENTIRELY different.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
My prediction: this is going to blow up in Sprint's face, and here's what they need to do to save themselves from having the E4gT become one of the most expensive orphaned phones in Sprint history:

On Monday, issue a press release that Sprint is studying the issue, evaluating its options, and in the meantime has extended the return period for people who've ALREADY BOUGHT ONE to 30 days. This will allow them to avoid a wave of panic returns, without forcing them to breach their planned October 7th announcement date.

Then, once they've officially announced that they're deploying EVDO Rev.B...

1. Immediately and officially confirm that the E4gT will never do EVDO Rev.B, and tell all their sales people to make sure that buyers understand this. They won't be don't Sprint any favors by selling phones that are just going to end up being returned and RMA'ed since they can't be resold as new, so they might as well clear the air and make sure prospective buyers know beyond doubt what this means (or are so completely clueless/indifferent, they'll be long, LONG past the deadline by the time they realize it or genuinely care).

2. Cut the price to $99 going forward (and raise the Photon's price back up to $199 to avoid devaluing the Evo3D by making it look outrageously expensive compared to the Photon and Epic 4G Touch).

3. Offer everyone who bought one prior to the announcement a choice between a $100 rebate OR the right to buy a new phone at the lowest upgrade price 12 months from now. This alone would save Sprint from probably 95% of the returns they're going to otherwise end up having.

4. Announce that the Epic 4G Touch II -- identical in every way, but with Qualcomm's newer drop-in pin-compatible chip that does Rev.B -- will be available before Thanksgiving.

If Sprint does this, they can save the day, keep (almost) everyone (mostly) happy, and avoid a major crisis. If they try to pretend there's nothing wrong, or drag their feet and leave everything the way it is now, the Epic 4G Touch is going to end up like the Kyocera Echo -- another awesome phone that nobody would buy because of a short-sighted design omission (no 4G -- WTF was Sprint/Kyocera thinking?!?)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
You are certainly right - you don't know a lot about chip manufacturing. That is NOT the way it works! :)

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Yes, people freaking out because Sprint changed the return window to 14 days - meaning by the time they get 'actual hard evidence', they will NOT be able to return their phone. (And who knows, it might all be just fine ....)

But - Now do you understand?

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What makes you think that? Link?

It's a 5-year-old chip that you can't even find on Qualcomm's site. And various google searches show no mention of a rev 2 of the chip; in fact the chip appears to have have gone "legacy" (i.e. dead from a design point of view) years ago.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] imtjnotu:
Great wishlist of things sprint will never do
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
Qualcomm and google make no mention at all of an SC 6035 or QSC 6035. It's a phantom - it doesn't exist.

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Yes, correct. SC means "System on a Chip"
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bl4ckcontact:
That would be great... but that will never happen.

Regardless, this phone is still fantastic and is far ahead almost all phones out on thr market right now. I just with evdo rev. A actually worked as well as its supposed to ...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gotmilk702:
Do you really think this will all happen in a world where the majority of iPhone 4 owners think their phone has 4G?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
Yes, well said. 3 comments [and {to all} sorry for all the comments to many posts in this thread; have been out of the country for 10 days and catching up]

1. Yes, most of us aren't in a 4G area and just want faster data. I have noticed that Sprint's 3G data speeds have steadily declined over the last 4-5 years; I assume due to expanding customers and not infrastructure. I'd be satisfied with 3g speeds of 3 years ago.

2. I travel full-time. Even when I can get 4G, it switches from 4G to 3G every few minutes. Sprint's 4G is worthless. When I'm in a 4G area, I stay in 3G mode.

3. The EVO 3D, Photon and Samsung all 3 are roughly equivalent and are all 3 hindered by Sprint's network.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gotmilk702:
My point was that 99% of people freaking out over this wouldn't know either. They wouldn't know one way or the other if my proposition was correct let alone whether it would be fixable via a software flash.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
Sorry - I totally disagree. This is a new world WRT information. Sprint, HTC, Moto, Samsung, etc ALL

closely

follow XDA, AndroidCentral, etc....

They DO know what users are saying ... and YES, there's no reason they can't make public statements. Please note HTC's very public statements about EVO 3D bootloader unlocking (which they really didn't do fully, of course) 4-6 weeks ago.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
> That would be great... but that will never happen.

Yeah, you're probably right. If Sprint got together a group of senior managers to discuss it, the ones with an engineering and PR background would suggest it, then some idiot in marketing would come up with a completely absurd & ridiculous way to try and make the lack of Rev.B look like a feature, and end up convincing Dan that there's no need to do anything.

Then, next Friday morning, Dan's going to show up at his office and find out that 84,296 Epic 4G Touch phones were returned to Sprint stores on Thursday by angry, panicked and pissed customers who didn't want to end up spending the next 20 months of their life with a phone that will never be able to do Rev.B.

As far as only XDA users caring, just wait until this hits Slashdot, Wired, Gizmodo, and Engadget over the weekend, then gets mentioned by sites like Pcmag and Cnet early in the week. Hell, I can almost guarantee that HTC and Moto are having multiple corporate orgasms right now, and are busy writing the press releases to send mainstream publications right now.

Public relations works. Remember last year at this time, when Sprint was denying there was any problem with the Epic 4G's 3G speeds? Then it blew up online, and within a couple of days the fix was out? In this case, it's a hardware deficiency that can't be fixed by software, but there are certainly things Sprint can do to smooth over it and avoid a wave of angry returns.

Sprint can't ignore the risk of mass returns. Think about it for a moment. Aside from the cost of having to liquidate the RMA'ed phones, imagine what would happen if everyone who was holding out for an Epic Touch 4G said fsck it, returned them, and tried to buy an Evo 3D or Photon instead. Overnight, Sprint would be almost wiped out of Evo 3Ds and Photons, and would then have a shortage of phones to sell to profitable NEW customers. Anyone care to guess how many customers Sprint lost last summer when the Evo was backordered for weeks, and the Epic 4G was still off in the distant horizon? Returned phones upset the accountants. The spectre of losing new customers to Verizon due to out-of-stock phones will scare the bejesus out of everyone at Sprint.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
This is insane. Sprint is supposed to make an announcement regarding a random phone supporting a random technology because a random website reported that sprint was going to update their 3g network.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
What will yall do if they finally say eptouch won't be supported
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jeffyv2:
Laugh at the people downgrading to another phone lol
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
There's nothing "random" about a well-informed, tech-savvy user base asking legitimate questions about a newly-released product's future compatibility with emerging technologies within the newly-shortened return period and expecting straight answers--ESPECIALLY when it's known that the CDMA modem is five, yes FIVE years old.

Pull your heads out of the sand if you're in denial. I wanted this phone badly less than a week ago--now? No way. When Sprint fixes it's 3G network (which they simply HAVE to do) this phone will be an "instant dinosaur".
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
Well said - you saved me typing basically the same thing. :)

Yes, Sprint's network just gets slower every year. I find myself seeking more and more WiFi spots.

I had planned to go to a Sprint store tomorrow to evaluate the Samsung, and maybe trade in my 2 week old Photon (which replaced a June EVO 3D {now wife's}, which replaced a Feb EVO 4G {now daughter's}). Might still go to look, but doubt that I'd switch. Non-RevB seems pretty clear from teardown pics and Qualcomm's site. (And from looking at screenshots, wonder if I'd feel like I have the Reader's Digest Large Print Edition of phones! :) )

BTW, your posting name is familiar - PPCGeeks, BMW? From Indy? (I live north of Indy)

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I agree with your comment that Sprint should make a statement since the (1) phone, (2) tech, (3) website are all leading edge and broadly & publicly discussed. Glad you feel the same way.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sprinkster:
im in the clear correct?

THEORY BRAINSTORMING... LETS SEE..

okay so i bought this phone epic touch 4g under letstalk.coms promotion...

so they offer a 30 days back RETURN /EXCHANGE POLICY

LetsTalk.com Exchange Policy

If you are not deactivating your line of service and are simply exchanging your device, you have up to 30 days to return your original device to us.

To process an exchange, please contact our Customer Service department at 1-888-848-4792 within 14 days of activation to request a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) number. You may also request an RMA online through our Order Status or Customer Service page

OKAY SO... if they activated my phone on the 21st , i would have up to till oct 5th (2 weeks=14 days) to contact them to SCHEDULE AND RMA.. and another 14-15 more days to actually get it back to them by the 30 day window correct?

which would be oct 18-20th it would have to be out to them..

which is about a week and change after sprints big announcement.. so TECHNICALLY.. im in the clear either way i slice it....

SO OCT 4TH, I START AN RMA. (Assuming theres no solid info on our phone supporting the new REV B)

if oct 7th sprint says they are doing rev B and epic touch 4g doesnt support.. i follow through with the RMA, and if they say epic touch 4g DOES support it i cancel the RMA, and keep the phone instead of exchanging it for the photon, which will be the same deal :)

SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
Lets assume random crap about stuff that 99.9% of the board has no clue about.

Unless you work for sprint, know the announcement is about rev b, AND know with 100% certainty that epic doesn't support it, then please stfu and stop spreading rumors.

This thread is absolutely retarded.

You guys want to know what I heard? I heard that the nexus prime will feature this awesome button where it will turn into a ****ing robot and kill anyone for you. BUT it doesn't have 4g and doesn't support rev b. Oh and it was posted on this tech site which got information from this random blog which got information from this other site which got information from my post. Sounds cool huh?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Kurupt1:
This is not gonna be about rev b Possibly iphone but i highly doubt it is rev b. Don't get your panties in a bunch now. :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
yep, ppcgeeks and Indy (where Sprint really sucks these days) :)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xisaacbx:
Wimax in my part of Seattle runs great. Just wondering why everyone here is so worried about our phones supporting rev b. Wouldn't that just be a step back? Even if this phone doesn't support it I see no point in me going back to the evo 3d that phone was pure trash. Evo 3d might have rev b support, but good luck even picking up a signal with that trash radio.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
What are you guys expecting? Sprint data sucks and we feel lucky to get 500kbps down. I've gotten as high as 1600kbps on 3g. My airave gets 2320kbps down.

At some point I expect lte to be the crappy service, but for now I'd love 1000kbps down, which revA handles.

You all are pissed for no reason, if you were wanting the fastest cell data you would not be with sprint. If you are with sprint just because you wanted the best phone...YOU GOT THE BEST PHONE, today anyway...tomorrow you WONT have the best phone.

We can't ***** about our phones not supporting future standards when they don't even get close to what technology today can deliver.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ratchetjaw:
This was 7 pages i ****. Enjoy what you have. Its still the best Android experience I ever had. Always has to be something to ***** about smh
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
Best post in entire thread. +1

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G WTF BBQ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
+1, You're right.

To put things in perspective: If you want the fastest data speeds (around where I live in the north-east) you go with AT&T and get raped the hardest.

Fast, Cheap, Reliable. Pick Two.

Verizon: Fast and Reliable

ATT: Fast and (less so) Reliable

T-Mob: Fast, Cheap

Sprint: Cheap, Reliable (thanks to roaming)

Fast, Cheap, Reliable. Pick two. <--Keep this in mind any time you have to 'pick' out of a bunch brands and/or options to purchase. It's a nearly universal formula. Depending on what you are dealing with "fast" and sometimes "reliable" will be slightly different, though typically analogous, variables.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
Has anyone contacted samsung john?