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[Atrix 4G General] DeathKoil:
When the SGSII came out back in... May(ish), it seems liked I should have not gotten an Atrix and waited for the SGSII to come to AT&T. the SGSII had a bigger screen, faster CPU, no Blur, no locked bootloader, and already had a pre-beta of Cyanogen out within two weeks of the phone hitting the international market.

Fast Foward to today. The Atrix has an unlocked bootloader, a *solid* beta of CM7, MIUI in the works, a bigger battery, and the performance is close to that of the SGS (in CM7 while OC'd) - in some tests it is noticeabley faster.

The SGSII also seems to have some hardware issues that have been reported. Yellowing of the screen on the left side is the most reported issue.

Now look to the future because the SGSII isn't going to come out for another two weeks. Should we have all waited to get an SGSII? No way, not IMHO. I was sitting on an iPhone 3GS for months and months after I was eligible for an upgrade, I was just waiting until something big came out or the phone died. I'll be honest, at first I did regret my Atrix purchase at times. Software versus 4.1.26 had a TON of bugs in it, 4.1.57 did too. 4.1.83 was solid, and when we got GB the phone was pretty solid. Now with CM7 I have no complaints over the phone at all, and I'm glad I didn't suffer with my iPhone 3GS for the last 7 months (I bougt the Atrix on release day) waiting for the SGSII after returning the Atrix to wait for the SGSII.

If I had waited this long for the SGSII with my iPhone 3GS, I would likely pass up the SGSII and wait for more info on the Nexus Prime.

DK
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
One thing I don't miss going from my captivate to atrix is in the power usage menu "display" being like 95%. I don't know why they say SAMOLED use less power. I know the screen on the sgs and sgs2 is different but they're close enough IMO. Also after all the BS with GPS and poor update from Samsung I don't know if I could buy another. As far as specs....IMO I don't think it's worth the upgrade the specs are really similar. The only reason I might be tempted is for the dev support.
[Atrix 4G General] guybanda:
as someone who has had both i can assure you the atrix is a much more all-around solid piece of hardware.

like reported above the screen on the SGSii may be bigger but it has its issues (yellow left on most handsets and battery consumption).

the battery is simply way worse then atrix.

and what got to me the most about going back to the atrix was the sound quality, it was simply horrendous, especially for a high-end phone like that.

the sound chip on it is sub-par compared to the original SGS even, with high end headphones i was getting distortions, low volume, and very un-even sound, to anyone who wants to listen to music on his phone this one simply kills the deal.

atrix has a very very good audio experience compared.

same goes for call quality.

and the phone doesnt even have a led for notifications.

also doesnt have an hdmi-out without you buying some special cable adapter.

what does seem to be on its side is a huge dev base working on it and realeasing things daily but the atrix is starting to catch up... just give it some time.

either way upgrading from a atrix to a galaxy 2 is pretty stupid, except for a bit larger screen you really dont get anything in return for all that cash.

i'd wait atleast another year before ditching the atrix. theres simply nothing today that it cant handle so why buy another "future proof" phone when your current one is still "future proof"
[Atrix 4G General] milesjohnson:
Definitely sticking with my atrix <3
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
It appears to have a lot of dev support, but how many of those ROM's are the exact same thing with a different theme? That's the way the Captivate was until CM7 dropped...everything was the same.

I'll stick with the Atrix.
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
... the screen on the SGSII is so lustworthy... it oozes awesomeness. Other then that --- Atrix is better IMO.

i want both.

iphone5 too if its nice.
[Atrix 4G General] autumn_leaf:
i just upgraded this july so no sgsII for me. the galaxy was going to be my upgrade, but it just took too long to come out. also, it's not gonna be the latest and greatest anymore like it would've been when it came out internationally, the sgsIII will probably be out internationally in 6 months since most phone lines get upgraded yearly.

my friend mentioned the PS Vita yesterday and i'm doing research on that to see if it has enough functions to become a phone for me.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
I'd rather have an atrix with an average screen than have a SAMOLED that destroys my battery. I have an upgrade available and being 100% honest I'm waiting for a new BB QNX mobile phone to drop next year. The new 9810 with os7 was actually a pretty big step forward in speed and functionality and supposedly QNX will be able to run Android apps as well. Not saying it's gonna be the king of phones but it looks pretty cool.
[Atrix 4G General] d3athsd00r:
My wife is getting it in October, about 2 weeks after it comes out. She is already in love with it and the fact that we are getting the NFC enabled version made her happier. She's almost as big a nerd as I am. (I'm not allowed to touch it, she wants to do everything on her own)

Speedily sent from CM7 Beta
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
isn't the sgs2 screen still 800 x 480?
[Atrix 4G General] spiritcrusher33:
I have the infuse plus an atrix, while the screen on the infuse is so sexy,, the atrix for me has the total package,, the sgs2 for me is not that much of a upgrade from my atrix, even the infuse for that matter, sure it has godly specs, but in real world usage, even my old ass dinc still get the job done,,

I dont like where the smartphone market is heading.. things need to slow back down. alittle,, before you know it, the atrix 3 will be out 3 months after the atrix 2 at the end of the year, lol
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
It is. I wouldn't be able to go to the lower resolution.
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
yeah i forgot about that lower rez -- UGH -- why put it out at a lower rez then qHD? COME ON SAMMY.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
The newer Super AMOLED Plus displays have more sub-pixels and they do

not

use pentile anymore which also helps eliminate the "grainy" look. I would still like to see qHD but I don't think there is going to be much to complain about on these screens. :)

http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/2...s-than-previous-amoled-screens-better-colors/

http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus-resolution-explained
[Atrix 4G General] spiritcrusher33:
exactly why i love the screen on my infuse.. but the atrix for everything else, lol
[Atrix 4G General] G-Man.:
Not all the same - they had different themes! :D
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
I owned an Infuse and loved the screen and the colors, but I would rather have a higher resolution screen. I find the lower resolution something to complain about, although it isn't that big of a deal for some people.
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
Not worth the upgrade. Give me 4.5 qhd, 1.5 dualcore, at least 1 gb ram and 16 gb internal mem, 1800-2000mah battery and I will upgrade. I will stick with my Atrix till then.
[Atrix 4G General] JayRolla:
My wife has a new upgrade and I was thinking of getting it for her. But she wants the new iphone. She hates DROID and they are announcing it on oct. 12th
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
It just comes down to personal preference I guess. Some people don't like the "saturation" and/or high contrast of AMOLED screens either.
[Atrix 4G General] cavkami1:
Not going to switch. Not that much of an upgrade. Rather wait to to see what the HTC HOLIDAY has to offer
[Atrix 4G General] sdelliott31:
I came from the Dell Streak 5 to the ATRIX. So I love a bigger screen. If the ATRIX were 4.5 to 5 inch screen it would be perfect as I kept the Streak for over a year. So the G2 with just a 4.3 inch screen is negligible and thus a deal breaker at the moment. Plus I had the Galaxy and had a friend with the Infuse and the GPS issues are real. Beautiful screen better cam and processor but probably not enough yet to get rid of the upgrade. Gotta think some phones will be out for the holidays.
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
Think that's my main issue with AMOLED. They always advertise it as a "brilliant" screen... however you/they want to put it... but it all comes down to who's the one looking at it. They say brilliant.... i say TOO brilliant. Almost seems like pastel color doesn't exist on AMOLED. It's either black, white, or "....MY EYES!!!"
[Atrix 4G General] madquack:
I'm going to buy it just to have 2 badass phones.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
Haha..."TOO brilliant" ....I guess that makes it a "smart"-phone :D

I am probably going to do the same thing because I'm frivolous. :rolleyes: I'll probably split "responsibilities" between the two. :cool:
[Atrix 4G General] againareku:
I'm not leaving Atrix. Only had it for 3 weeks but it is easily the best phone I've owned. Sleek, light, and ridiculously powerful.

The only thing I don't like about it is the HDMI mirroring, but I know that some genius dev or a random accident by an amateur will give us the fix.

And the Galaxy S II, no matter what it can pull out of its hat, can not grow a notification light out of no where..or turn into a laptop..or have such insane battery life.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
I completely agree with you on the notification light and battery life but I still just don't get the whole webtop/laptop dock affair. I could understand it if it were $100 or was even included with the phone, or if they didn't require you to have "tethering" when using it with

cellular

data. But all of that just doesn't add up for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyone for having/using it, this is just my personal opinion. :)
[Atrix 4G General] Sass86:
You don't need the dock. You don't need the tethering. They have had mods for that since I bought my atrix. AT&T is cracking down on tethering without plans now, but since when is using my devices data through my device tethering?

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G General] antuus:
I have both an Atrix and an Infuse. Both have pros, both have cons. I've let my wife use my Infuse for the time being. I'm trying to convert her to Android. (iphone4) Now, in October when she is eligible for an upgrade, I'm hoping she chooses to go for the SGS2. :) This way I get to play with it without any strings attached.... for me at least.
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
I'm talking in terms of the "average" user. Most people do not root/unlock their phones. :p
[Atrix 4G General] Sass86:
True... but those people are not usually found on sites like xda :p

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G General] rjayflo:
There is a fix for hdmi mirroring.....mine works fine
[Atrix 4G General] live4nyy:
You'd be surprised how many "average" users troll sites like XDA and such, either to learn or help them decide on a purchase or, occasionally, irritate veteran users with "noob" questions. :D
[Atrix 4G General] Sass86:
Touché good sir

I piss excellence
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
Do you have it working in Landscape mode? full screen?
[Atrix 4G General] Maroon Mushroom:
I'm really considering it. Especially if I was able to find one that was gently used a couple weeks later.

Reasons I would switch:

-development on this phone is some of the worse I have ever seen. I'm not implying the devs are bad by any means. But the Atrix development is dead. There have been no updates to CM7 for quite a while and it's far from perfect. Updates for other builds are incredibly rare and do little for the phone

-Motoblur is the worst OEM skin for Android without a doubt.

-pentile matrix lcd screen

-battery life is awful

-no skype support for tegra 2

-thick/ugly phone

-bad camera performance

-can't really think of any other benefits with this phone besides the quadrant score via cm7

-i don't use webtop because it's not in cm7. probably wouldn't use it even if it was though

Honestly purchasing this phone was a mistake. If the opportunity was there to buy a SGSII at a good price, it would happen.

Otherwise, I'm waiting on the Nexus Prime like a lot of other people. Because there will be a HUGE dev community for that phone without a doubt. Along with ICS, 720p screen, NFC, better camera etc etc
[Atrix 4G General] s1mpd1ddy:
Ouch... you really hate this phone .... I feel for the atrix lol

Sent from my alien
[Atrix 4G General] d3athsd00r:
Yes, most (all) the ROMs are dead, or so it seems, but considering the Beta for CM7 came out the 13th I wouldn't call that dead and MIUI is also in the making.

You must be a heavy user because my battery life was quite bad when I was on it all the time doing a lot but now that I've cut back and undervolted it's better than my old iPhone 3GS.

Also, this phone isnt thick. It's 2mm thinner than the iPhone 3GS, 1mm thicker than the iPhone 4, and 2mm thicker than the SGS2. I wouldn't exactly call that thick but I might just be splitting hairs.

Speedily sent from CM7 Beta
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I agree with you on the motoblur thing. Everything else is just... wrong.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] cachookaman:
i was waiting to upgrade to the SGSII from my captivate but my captivate unexpectedly died on me last month and i got an atrix for $50. i probably couldve and shouldve waited but im fine with the atrix for now. i do miss having a super amoled display though. its night and day compared to the atrix screen. id assume its even better with super amoled plus.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Except most of his points are objective, not subjective.

Development is quite bad. Besides CM7, the only ROMs we have are deoxed versions of official firmware with themes/tweaks thrown in.

Pentile is a poor display. Fewer subpixels and worse color reproduction.

If you're going to argue battery savings, you better have solid numbers. HSPA browsing, atrix has 5.25hrs vs SGS2 5.016hrs. Wifi browsing, 9.92 hrs on atrix, 7.35 hrs on SGS2. 3G talk time, 11.58hrs vs 10.64hrs on the SGS2. Wifi hotspot time 4.533 hrs on the atrix vs 6.033 on the SGS2. 1 big win for each phone and 2 that gives the edge to the Atrix. This is with the Atrix having a 17% bigger battery AND a pentile display to save power.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/18

There is no official skype support for the Atrix.

The phone is thicker than its main competition, the SGS2 and the iPhone 4.

The camera does perform worse than the iPhone 4 and the SGS2.
[Atrix 4G General] sdlopez83:
Yeah Im not tryin to sip haterade but I don't see an upgrade. I see a see-saw of pros and cons which make getting it a hassle when this phone is the dogs bullocks.
[Atrix 4G General] Javi97100:
Your getting stats off the internet, my battery is EXCELLENT, easily 15 hours with heavy usage, the screen is great (all I need is a readable screen) and hardly noticeable in thickness, miui is on the way, what more can you get? Sense is almost impossible to port (I've heard), and every phone has a lot of stock roms that's are themed and tweaked. Look at the nexus s forums, almost all asop, atrix has one asop rom and pretty much the same thing
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Are you really going to try and argue against repeated tests from one of the most highly regarded tech review websites there is using anecdotes? I never said the battery life was bad, but the way everyone claims it has the longest battery life of any android phone is flat out wrong. It barely edges out a phone with a smaller battery that uses a supposedly battery draining display vs the battery saving display of the atrix's pentile display. The Atrix has 1 ASOP ROM, CM7, which is still in beta, and not even nightly or official builds. Every other ROM is a deoxed version of moto's official 2.3.4 release. Nexus S has Oxygen, CM7, MIUI, SuperASOP, Carbon, iceandfire, etc. Come back when you have hard facts instead of "experiences."
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
His experiences aren't facts? It's true about the ROMs though. We're dead in the water. Also, before any diva devs bite my head off and rage, it's true. I'm not knocking anyone, just stating facts.

WebTop development is dead too. some devs have just moved to other devices for some reason.
[Atrix 4G General] Fountainhead931:
When I read this I almost blew beer thru my nose! Funny guy.

My battery life is fine on my Atrix, but as others have said, if I could have I would have probably gotten the SGSII if it were out first. I love the larger screen. Technically they are about the same performance-wise in day to day use - anecdotal data from tech sites, although the SGSII does measure faster on benchmarks.

If the Atrix had the Infuse screen/size I wouldn't be looking for the next best phone for a while. Like others, I'm psyched for the new Google Phone.
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
I've used every ROM you mentioned on my NS and I still prefer the Atrix. To each their own, though.
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
+1,000. I've never seen this happen before.
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
It only comes with 1.2 ghz and 4.3 display on ATT while on other carriers comes with 1.5 cpu and 4.5 screen - this thing alone keeps me from upgrading. ATT is a joke.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
I never said anything about how good or bad those ROMs were. I merely stated that pretty much every other phone has active ROM development. The Atrix is effectively dead in the water except for the saving grace of an unofficial CM7 port. Devs jumped ship ages ago or never even bothered before the bootloader was unlocked. Fact is, the SGS2 requires 2 boards just for ROM development. It has relatively the same battery life and better cpu/gpu performance. It has a better display and camera vs a fingerprint scanner, led notification light, which I personally don't even use/care about, and a gimmicky webtop mode. So it comes down to gimmicky features vs superior performance, better display, and better camera. To each his own though.

Uhh, they all are shipping at 1.2ghz. Also, the Sprint one may have a larger display, but lacks NFC. Details are unknown about the t-mobile variant AFAIK.
[Atrix 4G General] TheBassman369:
As I've stated earlier, I have a NS, I've used those ROM's, and it's exactly what you say the Atrix development section is--all of those are based off of the same AOSP ROM (or built from Cyanogen source) with a theme and a few tweaks added. CM7 has random reboots like crazy and MIUI is filled with bugs. They don't have an anywhere near working Sense or even TouchWiz port. More doesn't mean better.

AOSP is pretty overrated IMO, even though I'm using CM7 on my Atrix.

Fact is (c wat I did thar?), the majority of ROM's for the GS2 are identical to each other with a DIFFERENT THEME. I can't say this enough. The only difference being that they generally have a better base than BLUR to work with. The battery life is better on the Atrix in real life use. The better GPU/CPU is true, but the Atrix is no pushover. I don't want an overly bright low res screen, but thank you for the comparison.

You forgot to mention the GPS issues or the screen yellowing that were addressed earlier. The GS2 does have that and the Atrix doesn't. Makes me want to buy one ASAP...

EDIT: Tried to sound less condescending.
[Atrix 4G General] fleurdelisxliv:
both phones are nice but i still like the atrix better and if you have the atrix and want to upgrade wait bc more phones will be out at the first of the year that will smash the gs2 im sure :)
[Atrix 4G General] xredjokerx:
The Atrix is one of the communities plagued with douche-y users who drove the DEV community away.

I, for one, am leaving this s***hole AT&T. Maybe to the Galaxy Epic Touch 4G. We'll see.
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
Details are known and also confirmed by Samsung on tweeter that the T-Mobile variant will have a 1.5 dualcore qualcomm cpu
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
Trade an Atrix for S2 ?

Hell no !
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
Bet you it's just the same processor with a stock oc like the infuse and captivate.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Actaully it probably is somethng next gen. Tmobile is probably going to boast and advertise a phone capable of 42 mb/s even though im pretty sure that phones are hardly able to utilize something that fast, multitask and just put on a good show in gneral. Think about how fast the average home broadband connection is and how we are not even putting down serious processing power yet. The closest thing is hi def video, but heck these mobile gpus are usually doing that task and getting exponentially better at it.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Clienterror:
The only thing is are they going to pretty much completely redesign a variant for just one carrier? I see you're point tho.
[Atrix 4G General] ekerbuddyeker:
I owned the sgs2 a few months back. Missed my ATRIX and that was before 2.3.4. ATRIX and wins on sound, battery life (you could watch the battery drop on the sgs2 which lasted 4-5 hours for me), ability to play video without a hitch, hdmi out. The list is endless. And of course the screen resolution. Once you go qhd its hard to go back.

My next phone is a samsung note.
[Atrix 4G General] Maroon Mushroom:
I would actually trade a Nexus Prime (white) for this phone even though mine is in new condition, haha
[Atrix 4G General] lilhaiti:
Don't believe the hype!!!

Do I think the SGSII is a good phone...yes. Better than the Atrix...no...just a little different.

For one, all of the dualcore chipsets except for Snapdragons use the same A9 processor. The only difference is the numbers game. These cores are factory overclocked, they are not faster chips. Each chipset has it's pros and cons, but none are monumental.

As for the screen, I am one of the few that doesn't like the saturated look of the AMOLED...just a personal preference.

Size...personal preference.

As far as performance, I don't put much into benchmarks. I mean my Atrix is buttery smooth and in day to day ops it is 10x smoother than my friend's G2X but when we run benchmarks, her phone scores higher. Also the Evo 3d scores much lower and it is smoooooth!!! All of these phones perform very similar, none are miles ahead of the other in real world speed. There aren't any apps that can conjure up a bead of sweat from these dualcore phones, and the crazy thing is; by the time they come out with such an app, they will be making quadcore phones.
[Atrix 4G General] slimslim:
Oh, well, T-Mobile ver is a lot more attractive, upgrade worthy

http://m.bgr.com/2011/09/26/t-mobil...sung-galaxy-s-ii-and-sonic-4g-mobile-hotspot/
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Not really. The t-mobile version may be clocked higher, but uses the inferior snapdragon chipset. The fastest SoC on the market at the moment is the Exynos both cpu and gpu-wise.
[Atrix 4G General] Digital1325:
Agreed. Had an SGS2 at launch, and the thing friggin ATE through battery life. Have an Atrix on CM7 now and couldn't be happier.
[Atrix 4G General] sdelliott31:
To me the ATRIX is the perfect phone if it was a 4.5 inch screen. Keep in mind Sanding has issues with the gps lock. Its a true problem. I had the infuse and the captivate and could never get a lock even with hacks.

That being said my next device is the Note by Sanding. Been eying it for awhile. I got the ATRIX on a one day free sale at best buy and its very solid.
[Atrix 4G General] Swiftks:
Stupid release timing on Samsung's part... why buy the GSII, when a month or two later you'll be able to get the Nexus Prime; which also happens to be a Samsung phone (w/ better specs IMO)... kind of like Samsung is competing with themselves.
[Atrix 4G General] ltdanno360:
lol im gona stick with my atrix BEAST ty

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