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[Windows 8 General] Emi_Cyberschreiber:
see thats what i mean... i started like everyone else to start new UI and all that stuff. but then i started testing win + keys

and then i sometimes right clicked to see what happened and i got some nice results, like the when you put your mouse on the left and it shows the thumbnail and you can right click there.

and love the new UI, and how it works. i also like changes so this is good for me, i like learning new stuff. specially since its replacing only start menu, but giving more like apps that can be built in future with amazing features.

3 minutes sounds crazy... i hate people who do that, because they wasted alot of time downloading and installing the OS but then they dont give time to see it and learn it. i think these people should just watch keynote and end, because its more of what they actually do using win8 for couple minutes.

now i have a reason to use win key. i really never used it but now its fun to use.

but this is for me.

anyway, about your problem, like in tweet@rama where you can scroll left to right with mouse Wheel but you do it for up down.

you can mouse wheel click and it will act like a website. of course its not the best way but if you dont want to use scroll bar and suck like in a website you dont have to you can click mouse Wheel and it will do the ball thing.

oh and still i dont understand the point of disable metro UI. since its not like it does less than old start menu, yeah old start menú was nice if you only used your most used apps or the pinned in start menu. but when you had to go to snipping tool or something without searching it it was silly, folders folders folders.

even new Metro UI search is better. anf you can find apps easily.

and like i said, you dont have to be 1928319 hours in new metro UI. you launch apps like you did in old start menu. its not like it will not open normal desktop and let you work the same way you did from 95 to 7
[Windows 8 General] briggie108:
Go to search on the home screen type in regedit to start the registry editor.

When registry editor comes up navigate to:

Computer->HKEY_CURRENT_USER->Software->Microsoft->Windows->CurrentVersion->Explorer

Go to the RPenabled field and change it from 1 to 0. BAM!

The thing is though, it gets rid of almost all of the new features (Ribbon ui on explorer and new task manager), so you will mostly be left with win7 on steroids.
[Windows 8 General] vbetts:
When I get a bigger SD card for my Dell Mini 910(Only an 8gb inside it along side the 8gb ssd) I'll try out WDP on it.
[Windows 8 General] A_Flying_Fox:
I'm glad they aren't pulling a Google and Apple by just making their moble OS upscaled and are instead devloping a brand new tablet os

However, they really need to give the option to disable the Metro UI on the desktop, the way in Wndows 7 you can disable aero and go to windows 95 look (LOL)

On tablets metro UI makes AMAZING sense. But on a desktop, its limiting. You have to scroll through your open apps side by side and look for what you want instead o being able to ,say, have itunes in a resized window behind your resized firefox window which is next to your open command prompt that you are typing commands in that you are simultaneously reading from the firefox page you have open under and behind the prompt and then decide to give a quick click at the top of the itunes window you have open in the top left to change your curren song.

With metro, id have to constantly swipe between those apps to do the same thing, which is obviously more time consuming.

That's why I hope they atleast make it optional in windows 8, and if Windows 8 without Metro is "windows 7 on steroids", then maybe windows 8 I coming out a little too early.
[Windows 8 General] txdeathray:
You can still do that in the desktop view since firefox, itune, cmd etc... still runs on desktop windows only (aero snap is still in the desktop etc...). the only thing that's different will be you have to go to the metro start menu to pull up those programs. So things will be relatively the same until those programs have a metro version and you actually installs them.
[Windows 8 General] silhouetted:
After playing with it for a while, I actually like it quite a lot. It definitely looks mobilized, but the functionality is dead on. I can't remember the last time I actually used the Start Menu to navigate to a program in Windows 7. It's always either clicking the pinned icon, or hitting the Windows key and typing what to run, etc, and replacing it with the Metro UI is a very clever an logical evolution of that.

I will say though that I'm glad I have a mouse connected to my laptop, because using the UI with the laptop's trackpad is ugh, but it's alright with a proper mouse. When they finish adding the gestures support I'm sure it'll be fine there, too.
[Windows 8 General] oriondr:
Nope, cold boot is actually faster. (note: was at BUILD and have the samsung tablet)

Also, the developer preview was built for the tablet & for people to start building metro apps, I imagine there will be more options and better usability for desktops and laptops in future releases.
[Windows 8 General] rolls728:
You don't need to scroll through all of the tiles to run an installed application. while you are at the Metro UI screen, you simply type the name of the app and windows will immediately bring out the Search Window showing all programs with the name you typed.

that is even faster than in windows 7, where you have to click start then type the name of the app you wish to run!
[Windows 8 General] timmymarsh:
This is an English speaking forum, if you post in your native language please ensure you post a translation.
[Windows 8 General] SugarMouth:
Ya ever sense I installed Windows 8 I think I have been in the Metro UI maybe a handful of times, I don't even use it.

As it sits now I won't see any utility I would use over Win 7.
[Windows 8 General] nwebb9:
This is correct, if you look from Microsoft preview of it, it is completely designed for tablet pretty much. The best option is to by a win 7 tablet and upgrade it when 8 is released. I have the desktop edition of it, with my touchscreen monitor it is fine though over this being a USB it us extremeley laggy nd by it's speed not using the 8GB ram available instead 2? Wierd all the basic troubleshooting does not seem to work!
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
WE'VE LOST THE THREAD CAP'N Reply

It's a lost cause - too many Windows Fanboy trolls that don't read previous posts have flocked to this thread for us to do anything about it anymore.

At this point, this thread is the rough equivalent of the Titanic with a ten foot hole in it.

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[Windows 8 General] Parthenopipitsa:
I am afraid that there are so many fanboys here...

I installed it today and TOTALLY sucks...

Ugly distorted fish in the middle...

The desktop version hasn't changed a lot about the UI. Internet explorer 10 interface is the same with 9 and looks ugly.Ugliest of all browsers...

Hitting the start button I cant type anything..

The squared windows are so strange and the windows 8 scrollbars suck!

HAVING TWO different user interfaces is confusing and bad practice..

There are so many other issues that I wont refer...

I wont buy a windows phone, tablet etc (although I hate apple I would buy one in case I need ) because they MUST understand that this sucks hard and is total crap and ugly.
[Windows 8 General] ROCOAFZ:
Guess Apple is for you then.. off to another forum lol!

As for the fish.. did you realize what type of fish it is? it's a beta because the O/S is a beta. Little MS humor there for having it as your background default screen.

When you hit start in windows 7 you couldn't type anything either. You had to select start search to type.

Pin the desktop apps to metro start. You don't need to go to the desktop to select them then.

10 min of organizing the metro and you will be WAY more efficient then Windows 7 with shortcuts and all programs.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
CAN WE JUST LOCK THIS THREAD Reply

It's actually EXTREMELY confusing and disorganized. If the icons were about ten times smaller and some of them were folders, then it might make sense - oh wait, we already tried that on Windows 7 and it was actually useful and made sense, so as the "new Microsoft", we can't do something like that to our products because that would make them, I don't know, useful?

And that's just plain wrong. All you had to do was hit "start" and go off typing anything you wanted into the search box - no additional nonsense necessary.

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[Windows 8 General] lazepr:
I am more of a Mac guy myself. Love Windows 7, kind of like Windows XP, as everyone else hated Vista haha :):). Their phones were horrible except maybe windows phone 7 cause i do love the metro ui but Windows 8 really is like 7 just added a new extra UI took few things out all I was trying to say lol.
[Windows 8 General] xytherion:
i think its nice. good thing we still have the classic view. its going to be missed
[Windows 8 General] Parthenopipitsa:
Some repliers here are writting in same style like microsoft advertisments."Awesome,blabla"

Probably young people may learn easier the UI but how can a mid age man used to Cobol learn this OS ? My mother found hard the transition from XP -> 7 . Imagine what would happen with 8 .

Its not intuitive at all. It is hard to know that if you place the mouse at top or at right some things would happen.

Metro UI maybe helps sometimes but where are tabs for IE10 metro ? It is really hard to use. Fullscreen doesnt help either. I cant see how this helps
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
Don't bother addressing him, he's been trolling this thread for a while, without even having used 8. I doubt he's installed it even now, probably just extracting what he can from youtube.
[Windows 8 General] nitin1978:
I am using windows 8 in my netbook... really fast on that
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Im sorry? It's been running on my Laptop basically since day one and I had just installed it on my Desktop a few days ago…

Im not sure what about me you are doubting but I am a Person who has tried it out extensively and I have tried to learn as much there is about the new metro. I have even spent the time reading the official blogs, which not only are able to give you scientific reasons why Metro is better, but they also give you the Information needed in order to use it properly. The beta is actually meant for those people who are in contact with Microsoft and engage in the dialogue between them (well dialogue is possibly not the best term, as they post in your blog and you can post feedback, but hey it still is a kindof two way conversation).
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
No offense, but the only way Windows 8 is "confusing and disorganized" is if YOU made it that way. Win 8 is clean, it's SIMPLE to organize your tiles virtually in any order, group them in any category you can name.

As for Live Tiles: Smaller? You simply don't understand what Live Tiles are, do you? A Live Tile isn't merely an app icon, it's a combination of a Widget and an App Icon. Unlike app icons in any other OS, a Live Tile can give you real, updated information from the app without you having to open the app. "Like what?" you ask? Well, let's start simple: the Weather tile can change to display current and future weather conditions at your location, including temperature, right on the tile--no need to launch the app unless you want an extended forecast.

How about News? Your Live Tiles can display headlines from current topics. If you're interested, open the app and you're there.

How about mail and messaging? Both can display current message count and a preview of what your most recent messages are.

How about games? Some can show top positions on leaderboards, or your most recent progress.

How about a CRM or ticketing system app? Its Live Tile could show you if there are new tickets or leads, what their priority level is, or whether there's been an update by another person (coworker, client, etc).

As for typing to get your programs, I hate to break this to you but it's actually even EASIER in Windows 8. You don't need to hit Start--you just type while you're in the Start Screen. Simple, easy, fast, efficient. No need to click an icon--just hit enter to launch when you've found what you're looking for.

Microsoft is finally, FINALLY providing innovation and leadership in UI design for the first time in their existence. All the way through to Windows 7 and Mac OSX Mountain Lion, UI design has been fairly stale, iterating off the Xerox Parc UI of the late 1970's and early 1980's. It's time to move past that dynamic, because both users and hardware have evolved past it.

MS has made the right choice here. They're growing up--and you should, too.
[Windows 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
Why all the Hate for a Pre Beta ???

The funny thing is go all the way back to the first iOS device leaks, to see how many Mac lovers didn't like the way Apple was going......it did well in the long run.

The fuss caused by the loss of a Start Button that had "Nice Sharp Lines"

I still remember when Windows ME was said to no longer have a need to lean on DOS......

or good heaven XP only having DOS in Emulation the posts were wild with hate !!!

I ask you....do you really miss DOS ?????

Let the Dev's work this out.....and when all the dust clears, take a stance on Metro with an RC edition.

If you watched any of the Key note it was said right there....

With Windows 8 the Tablet is all about the Edges ( of the screen)

PC's are all about the Corners.....move your mouse to a corner and wonderful things happen....plus you will have keyboard shortcuts to help.

I mean right now the Windows button can take you to a traditional desktop.

Just wait to see what comes alive with an RC Edition.....I'll bet skins will start to be used, and backgrounds will come to life :D
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
haha I was talking to you about the guy you replied to, KainPPC. YOU, don't bother addressing HIM. I tried talking with him for a while but the level of ignorance and stupidity he demsonstrated was too much for him to not be trolling. Now it certainly looks like he's never used it.

I said that to you because you were trying to have a well reasoned and thought out argument with him; don't waste your time.

Also for the record, you can just press any button. No need to slide to unlock, no need to ctrl alt del. Hit space.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
WINDOWZ Reply

I wouldn't say that - they made the obligatory additions to make it work with the mouse (gasp!) and the metro thing turns out to be just an "every once in a while annoyance replacement for the start menu" sort of thing.

Interesting. We never checked his memory usage, but I'd find it hard to believe that it would be less. I could just take your word for it too ☺.

What? If you're already at the desktop, there's no need to press a button to go there since you're already there...

He actually monkeyed around with W8 for a solid week - and it looked to be a pretty decent computer.

That is absolutely correct - it is harder to hit a smaller button

But seriously, it's Windows! You shouldn't need a tutorial to learn how to use it. You can "pick up and play" with most any other Windows OS, Linux, Apple Macintosh, game consoles, mobile platforms, ATMs and more - why should you need instructions for something as trivial as that? Why can't they just keep it simple, fluid, and organized?

I've actually seen that before - on like one other Windows machine. And even then it provides relatively clear onscreen instructions: "Control+Alt+Delete to unlock" are about as cut and dry as it gets and it doesn't even require a manual.

Just like I should "embrace" Obama screwing up the country? Just like I should embrace the country that makes soap companies make soap that doesn't clean dishes? Just like I should embrace something that is made partially in the image of a failed mobile operating system? :p

He's not really computer illiterate. I think he'd just like to see something that makes sense right off the bat - you didn't need to read a thick book or attend classes to use Windows xp or 7 (or even Vista). Glad to hear that you can press WIN+R to get to the "run" dialog. I actually was not familiar with that one on XP/7. Cool beans.

Naw. They always say "don't feed the trolls", so I guess just by replying to this I'm really asking for it, but I do want to set the record straight that I have not installed "Windows 8" yet and don't really have any intention to. Just in the half hour I saw of it over someone's shoulder (what I would consider an "average" user), it just seemed really user unfriendly, confusing, and more difficult to use than before. We use so many pieces of software on our Windows machines today that have a learning curve of their own - do we really need more confusing software to learn?

If you'd like though, I'd love to add you as a friend and subscriber on YouTube - are you a member?

I wouldn't say I have that though :p - wouldn't you just rather subscribe and befriend me on YouTube? You can become one of more than 100,000 delighted viewers of my videos or join the club of over 100 satisfied subscribers who enjoy my uploads. If you ever think I'm ignoring you or "playing stupid", all you've gotta do is let me know and we'll get it all straightened out.

Thank you for your inquiries! :)

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[Windows 8 General] andrew789:
Windows 8 is awesome. It works smoothly on my old PC (bought in 2006) and its easy to use. I can say that this is certainly an innovation. More stable = Best OS ever :)
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
I doubt this, and most people who have been using Windows 8 for a while know that mouse + Keyboard works well.

Sry i messed up on that Response a little… In the Desktop you are able to press the bottom right button as always was to minimize all programs and Show the desktop. The context menu from the bottom left Corner always shows, and the first button in it is always the desktop, so right click left click always works.

Because the button is in a corner, and the edges act as borders, the button actually becomes infinitely big, therefore being easier to hit.

Once you know the concept of the edges(mouse) and borders(touch) being the most important the rest can be figurred out through tinkering. Even then though, learning all the small shortcuts all over the previous Windows Versions also takes it's time, consider the Win+R key. The Problem is the visual lack of Feedback for those borders, the edges and the "type-to-search" concept, though having such visual Feedback would probably make the platform feel awkward so those are things one is going to have to live with.

What because on day one after his reelection he is going to destroy the country? And because he is going to do everything he gave no signs of doing as soon as he is reelected? (I mean this ironic ofc). Just because Windows Phone has not picked up much does not mean it has failed yet…

Windows has and always will be an operating System of "all roads lead to Rome". There are always multiple way to do things and many of them have not changed in Windows 8. This is why I cannot respect a Person who is not able to accomplish something as trivial as openening the device manager.

Then don't even bother responing anymore…

I do appologize, i missread your post. You are probably right about him just trolling around…
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
its a little ironic that the people who tend to slag it off are in fact the same people who never really used it OR used it with a preconceived idea of what it should work like rather than how it does. edit: its not ironic, its just plain stupid

A popular moaning point is the start menu:

well, you have a start menu, you can pin anything you like to it, you can also pin things to the taskbar.

Opening the start menu, aka, metro, can be done much quicker compared to the dated point and click options of the past.

This start menu (metro) not only gives you access to pinned apps and programs but also gives you a snap shot of anything you have setup, email, messages news weather etc. when you have set this up properly you cant help but notice the efficiency of it all is so much better.

The OS is faster, just as stable or if not, more stable than 7, in its current BETA form, with all the beta code running in the background

In the time it just took you to read that last sentence I just saw I had 4 new emails, 2 of which I quickly deleted, I had 2 app updates, several message updates, a couple of people updates, saw my appointments for today put some music on an came back here.

Im sorry if you cant see the efficiency in metro, your computer experience will be a lot slower for not learning it, for those that can use it, welcome to the fast lane!

Multi monitor does still need sorted out, and some of the preview apps are terrible, what they need to do is more or less move the People and message hubs from Windows phone 7 in to Windows 8, because in all my years of using different phones and devices I cant believe something so simple, efficient and effective hasn't been made before!

Oh an im loving this spell check on here too! with seemingly no performance hit.
[Windows 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
Don't forget the ease of use for search......

With the desktop Start Screen up, just start typing.....search opens automatically on a PC.

On a Tablet you have to do an extra step, finger the side and tap the search...unless you have a wireless keyboard connected.

I do not know of any other OS that does that neat trick.

It is a vast search, pc/app/net

Windows 8 is almost stupid proof.....:D
[Windows 8 General] rmcsc:
Updated two cents: I'm uninstalling it. I've begun to be plagued with random freezes, disappearing libraries (VERY annoying, as it ALWAYS shows 4-6 popups saying they're gone whenever I try to open/save something).

I'm going back to the perfect Windows 7.

You can do this on Windows 7 too, you know. Press start, type. Granted, you can't search files this way (I think), but it ends up being the same steps on Windows 8 (since most apps are *not* Metro...)

You've clearly never used a Mac. Sure, it's two keys (Command + Space) but the universal search has been there for ages.

Source: I had a Mac for 4 years before buying my Windows PC.
[Windows 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
I stand corrected....I will take your word on that as I never have used a Mac.

As for the bugs, I don't think a Preview copy should be used long term, it is after all a Pre Beta.

I would not think of anything more then a few days use, just to get a feel of the OS.

I would not install for anything more then a week until at least an RC1 Edition.

By that time 95% of any bugs should be fixed
[Windows 8 General] Akiainavas:
Windows 8 doesn't suck for desktop. Metro does.

I mean it's nice, pretty and everything...but only 2 apps on the screen at the same time ? Is that a joke ?

I know that there's always desktop app...but why Metro then ? Just give us an option to disable it and everybody will be happy.

The rest of the OS works really great - lot snappier than Win7.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Its not designed as a desktop replacement! Think of it as an extension to your phone, you dont compile databases on your phone, you dont usually debug programs and systems on a phone, you use it to get a quick glance at the things you feel are important. Metro is the same, allowing desktop to take care of the gritty stuff. There is absolutely no disadvantage in having metro on the desktop IF you use it correctly
[Windows 8 General] PSP-86:
Classic Windows Start button.

stardock.com/products/start8
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
tell me, why bother downloading a beta OS designed to be tested and that test information fed back to MS to help further development THEN install software on it to make it as unlike Windows 8 as possible and thus making the whole point of testing it a complete waste of time. Not only that but by doing this your also stopping yourself having any meaningful input to the direction of Windows 8 whatsoever. The mind boggles.

perhaps im getting old but in my day the idea of TESTING something was to actually test it rather than change it as much as possible and provide no useful information and feedback to MS at all....