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[Windows 8 General] link68759:
First, go look up the definition for conceptual. Then you might want to learn to read more thoroughly:

Get that? Good.

This man is not a microsoft employee. What you are essentially saying is that you think microsoft is going to do something because you misread an article by a journalist (?) completely unaffiliated with microsoft. Which apparently has more weight than the links in this thread to articles by microsoft employees saying otherwise.

Now that we've established your level of intelligence and clear disposition to employ half read, misunderstood and quite irrelevant texts of dubious sources in your arguments for why 8 is bad... Shall we review what this thread has established about 5 times already?

1) Microsoft has a large IT and power user consumer base. They also like their consumers and know that if they remove functionality or backwards compatibility with anything, a large portion of their customers will transition to linux overnight.

2) New with windows 8 are not one, but two subsets of SDKs. One is for the development of metro apps. The other is for "legacy" programs, presumably updated with new functions, changes in procedure calls, efficiency tweaks, etc.

3) Did you know that 16 bit DOS programs will still run under windows 7 (x86)? Microsoft works hard to maintain legacy support. I remember when 7 first came out, I experienced a lot of trouble running some of my programs I use daily on XP. But they all work now; compatibility is nearly 1:1 (except in obvious specific purpose programs, like tweakUI). Backwards compatibility has proven to be an important and well handled feature in windows.

Microsoft knows that there are an incredible number of programs floating around on the internet that are designed to run under windows, and making as many of them as possible continue to work is common sense. If they at any point in the future make a change that eliminates all the support the previous iteration has, no one would by the new version. It would reduce functionality (point number 1) and very likely remove support for the outdated software corporations like to use for inventory or whatever they do.
[Windows 8 General] ebol94:
Well I think they're working to make Windows more simple and fashionable to competes with MacOS.
[Windows 8 General] benjoid:
If he did I'd sack him for posting that ;)

I posted on an empty stomach with 5mins to go on my lunch break :rolleyes: My post was a meant to be a reply to the arrogant blog post (http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-consumer-preview-call-common-sense-142476), encased in [IRONY] tags. It's exactly that kind of derogatory hack journalism that makes people on the fence like me want to give up trying out W8. Nobody likes being backed up into a corner or having their intelligence questioned.

If people want to provide helpful links in this thread, link to articles that show what's good in W8, not links that say why you are stupid for being apprehensive about the most concept changing version of Windows yet. Links like this: -

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/get-started?page=vid2

See the difference? Pro W8 people are happy, I'm happy, it makes me want to finish off installing W8 and trying it out! Much more constructive ;)

And now I take another look at the offending blogger's website, I see he has made a follow up post, one that is much more helpful and interesting: -

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-consumer-preview-sense-142496
[Windows 8 General] mighty_markus12:
Paul is an idiot and a windows fanboy. Im sorry but w8 has fail written all over it.
[Windows 8 General] dialupboy:
is this engadget? :D

I do expect people are smarter here in XdaDev :p
[Windows 8 General] martenson281:
Rule number one: The Win7 desktop is an app for Metro. The only way to 'turn off' metro is to shut your pc off or install another OS. Deal with it.

As far as tabs go... I bought an Acer Iconia x86 Windows 7 tab when it came out almost a year ago. Its been great with win7 but knowing win8 was in the works it made it an easy decision to purchase it. Wasn't a huge fan of the limited functionality of the dev preview and went back to win7. However..the consumer preview is pure gold. Having an x86 tab rather than an arm tab is key, lets me use both metro and the win8 desktop on the tab. With the ability to plug it into a big screen tv via hdmi (1080p) with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard this thing does it ALL. My ipad 2 from work in comparison as a whole is about as useful as windows 8's calculator app. A $500 coaster for my white russians.

Apple can soon (with the official win8 release) be exposed for who they really are. All gimmicks with one hell of a marketing department. win8 vs ipad or android on tabs is comparing an Audi R8 to a Ford Focus. I do admit..the ipad will ALWAYS have a home with the simple minded and elderly. Happy ipadding Focus fans.
[Windows 8 General] akfelipe:
lets admit this, desktop market will be almost non existent in the future(only gamers and software professionals will require the power of a desktop/workstation). Also Budget consumers will most likely stick with the desktop model like institutions(ex:schools and other small/big business that need basic computing for productivity)

Soon our phones and tablets will connect with peripherals(monitors,keyboards,mice,etc) and be able to fulfill most of our computer needs without any or little lag..

Windows wants to make sure they are the OS of choice when it comes to that, it makes sense they design Win8 how they did, unfortunately most of us wont be willing to make that change just yet.

plus windows does not update their OS for at least 3 years(will probably change soon), they need to prepare for the FUTURE! ;)
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
Keep telling yourself that.

Thank you for bringing some common sense to this thread finally. Maybe it's not too late to name it "Windows Vista 2"?

- 2B
[Windows 8 General] Andrewtst:
Actually I kind of like the new Windows 8 design, it is a right choice of moving to such design.

I am extreme familiar with it full function now, just maybe need to some tweak, the new metro UI will be perfect. ;)

Example I prefer add-in future final release:

Close button to exit app special design for metro UI, now a bit troublesome for right click close it.

Ability to set different screen size of remote desktop beside full screen.

Ability to set second side screen preview smaller than current fix size.

Ability to lock the whole Start icon arrangement to prevent other user accidentally change it or remove it.

Ability to show all apps using left button click rather than right click for desktop user.

When clicking the app folder from start, it shall highlight the app icon on that folder selection, now without any highlight, sometimes it do take time to see .. where is my app.

Only open the software when clicking from new Start without entering back to old desktop.

Ability to scroll using mouse wheel for all apps in new MetroUI, and make it default functioning, now a lot preview app can't scroll using mouse wheel. I know this new Windows 8 focus and target for touch device, but don't forget it friendly usage for ordinary desktop user as well.

Make desktop much more METRO look, now it still too much look like Windows 7.
[Windows 8 General] alex2012vip:
a

sucks wp7 sucks my ass
[Windows 8 General] doministry:
Let's hope it won't be so buggy.

I just hope that for desktops it will be possible to stop this fckn Metro.

Metro has sense on phones, maybe on tablets.

On PC/laptops it's just idiotic.

I think they've lost the plot in some areas and it worries me.

Why the f... the want to improve something what is good.
[Windows 8 General] fedealmendra:
windows 8 is not bad on the pc, if you press the start button it becomes like win 7
[Windows 8 General] bobbyelliott:
Have you noticed the masses of touch screens in your local hardware store? You do realise that PCs with touch screens will replace the current generation of PCs, and that process will commence soon.

Metro makes perfect sense on a touchscreen PC. Windows 8 is foreseeing the future in the same way Windows 95 did when it embraced the Internet -- while Apple and co. slept.
[Windows 8 General] mtmerrick:
I was at fry's electronics today. not counting the half-aisle of tablets, i counted 4 touchscreen computers. i don't consider 4 PCs to be "masses"
[Windows 8 General] Waterflames:
Desktops and laptops have mouses and keyboards because they are easy to use.

Touchscreens are more inaccurate, non-ergonomic and simply unnecessary.

Why try to add touchscreen to a product that simply doesn't need it?

Windows 8 is great for tablets, but I think they made a mistake taking this to pc customers.

I wait patiently for windows 9. :)
[Windows 8 General] dtboos:
I think it works excellent with keyboard and mouse, so I'm not sure what people's big gripe is here.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
It works fine, some folk are incapable of adapting, its simple, you use desktop for all your work stuff, flick to metro to get an instant snapshot of all your important stuff like messages, email, weather, shares an whatever else you setup, I can't believe how efficient working like this is. I do want the start button back for desktop tho, and im concerned about metro clutter but this is what the preview is for, testing, use it, test it FEEDBACK to ms using the many many feedback options, be the tester you asked to be!! Don't just moan and ignore it, its not a free joy ride on a new os and no one forced you to use it, so kindly test it as your supposed to or bugger off an quit moaning about it!! =)
[Windows 8 General] iNC0GNiTUM:
I say stick to Win7 keep the start button and all its features Win8 does suck! And if you want metro style buttons to click to your hearts content use Rainmeter and download the Ominimo theme and voila metro style Win7!
[Windows 8 General] TheResistance007:
I'm testing Consumer Preview now for about 2 weeks. I'm a big fan of the metro UI... But the only thing i dont like on W8 is exactly what others like:

The REALLY new thing, Metro UI, is only used for Launching apps. But due to the small amount of actually metro apps, when u use for example Chrome(or any other good, old .exe) you get to the Desktop environment....

Why doesn't MS work on a kind of "conversation kit", converting "old" deskop apps to the new metro UI ? replace old button graphics (edits labels etc.) through new metro style button graphics etc...

And what is really a bad thing hat there's no official feedback "app". only music app contains a feedback option.. I know there's a small MS forum to post bugs etc. but this isn't a good way for feedback in my opinion.. :)
[Windows 8 General] rmcsc:
A conversion app would be interesting, although I'm sure it'll never happen.

They use to have a feedback link everywhere with Windows 7 beta. I wonder why Windows 8 beta didn't also get that treatment.
[Windows 8 General] bobbyelliott:
For everyone who just can't make the huge, metaphysical leap that's required for you to press the Windows key, I give you the Start button:

http://stardock.com/products/start8/

It's even programmable (right click it once installed).
[Windows 8 General] jerome snail:
I guess legacy apps will eventually have a Metro version (like IE10).
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
There are feedback links all over the place! As for metro, use it as a tool, not as the main GUI, for example, metro gives you a snap shot of anything you have setup, then click to desktop to do your work, its hugely efficient this way. I still want the start button back tho as o can see desktop and metro clutter becoming an issue
[Windows 8 General] AndroPino:
Some people cannot accept changes

Metro UI is very good to solve unifying the Users Experience from PC/Tablet.

Some people just not know to accept changes. You tried it first and you see how fluid is Windows 8.
[Windows 8 General] bakas666:
DAFUQ guys? everyone is weeping for win 8 being completly different from win7...seriously...except the less resources that are being used by win8, the different UI is a big plus for me..dont take me as mean...but if you dont like something you dont use it...weeping about it wont make it change...

and yes i dont like the metro UI...

i really like it :D
[Windows 8 General] 98percentchimp:
I hated the going into folders in the old start menu, it was only good for quick links. Just because I have a mouse doesnt mean I should be clicking little stripes for each folder.

The only real problem with metro is the wasted space for a full screen UI. They could add the option for the windows taskbar at the bottom of the metro ui
[Windows 8 General] ricky1001:
Irritating interface

Metro UI sucks for non touch devices.It's painful to use.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
I don't know what people's problems are... After using this for about a month i love the new interface. Of course I do have a high end computer so i dont know how slower ones will handle all that metro stuff running in the background.

Sent from my handheld Linux computer using electromagnetic radiation.
[Windows 8 General] dtboos:
The stuff in background works fine on lower end hardware too. Most things aren't taking up any CPU while not in foreground, and the live tiles are typically on 30minute cycles. Not exactly taxing on a system. Like windows phone, its pretty efficient.
[Windows 8 General] JihadSquad:
Yeah I guess if a computer can handle windows 7 it can handle the srart screen animations.

Sent from my handheld Linux computer using electromagnetic radiation.
[Windows 8 General] ish88an:
windows 8 for touch screen only

yes totally agree... if you have a touch screen facility then only windows 8 will rock for you otherwise using it is totally a waste of time
[Windows 8 General] topcat0:
MS is really betting the farm on this one. If they can't get people to except the Metro UI on the desktop and people opt for Android or an iDevice over Windows phones and tablets, they're going to be in a world of hurt.

Personally, no, I don't like the redesign.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
WINDOWS 8 FIRST LOOK Reply

I finally got a chance to see Windows 8 in person today, and all I can say is "wow", and I don't mean that in a good way. Windows 7 was a fantastic OS, and I wasn't the only person who thought so. Given this reputation and the early start they took, I was expecting a lot. From what I've seen, it's basically Windows 7 with the following additions:

(-) Resource hogging 2.0

(-)Extra button to click to go to the desktop

(-)Missing start menu button

(N)Squarer open window preview

(N)Slightly different, cheaper, less shiny minimize and exit buttons

(-)Everything as before, only harder to find then ever

(-)Stupid "Slide to unlock" from screensaver

(-)Reduced program compatibility

(+)More interesting copy/cut/file-transfer screen

Surprisingly enough, the whole "tiles" thing was not as bad as I thought they would be, and the only time they interrupted was any time you were trying to return to the desktop, which would require that you click another button within the tiles to get back there. My friend said that his CPU activity seems to always be higher as well with Windows 8 then it did with W7. I also noticed that the start menu button is absent from the bottom corner forcing you to hit the Windows key on the keyboard to open up the "metro aquarium" (the start menu seems to have completely disappeared, and my guess is that the "aquarium" replaced it)- what's up with that?

As for the slightly different look to the minimize/maximize/exit keys and window previews, those actually ended up looking okay (although not any better than they were before), but what's with the "Slide to unlock" after the screensaver? That's just a stupid extra step, and somewhat annoying if you're using something other than a touchscreen (95% of computer users). On Windows 7, if your screensaver isn't password protected, all you've gotta do is move the mouse, and BAM!- you're back in under a quarter of a second.

From watching my friend work with it, he seemed to struggle with program compatibility and all around "flakyness" of the OS and stuff is just so much more difficult to find now. Another friend had a look at it and it took him some time to find the device manager - and I'd consider him to be a pretty experienced technician in general. :confused:

In the end, Microsoft did make one positive improvement to the OS, and that is the screen that comes up while you copy or move files. Instead of just telling you the percentage complete, speed, and estimated time remaining, it now adds a graph of how fast it has been going kind of blended into the progress bar which I think looks kind of cool actually.

After all that, I thanked him for saving me the wasted time of trying it on my own system, and before leaving, he said that he'll be reinstalling Windows 7 as soon as he gets all his stuff backed up again.

- 2 Bunny
[Windows 8 General] lazepr:
I LOVE WINDOWS 8 ON MY NON TOUCHSCREEN MONITOR.

You people really are dumb. It is so easy to get use to all the different things you do with windows 8 on a desktop. Basically everywhere you would touch to do things the mouse would go instead. Woah crazy way of thinking about it huh?

I got use to the metroui and all windows 8 features with no touch screen in 2 days. So easy to get around. Just shut up get use to the UI first and once you do windows 8 is a breeze. :p haha

As for lockscreen and to scroll in metro use the middle mouse button, scroll away!!

But really I do agree that this is mainly for touchscreens but desktop users its just as easy to use.

Also I DONT KNOW IF ALL YOU REALIZE. The desktop is pretty much windows 7 just with few new featues and unfortunately the original start menu taken away. It seems all they did was add the metroui to make it any different from 7.

WINDOWS 8: WINDOWS 7 With the METRO UI

I do however think this is what needs to happen:

1. Return of the normal start menu.

2. Disable metroui or enable option

3. Choose what to start first(desktop or metro)

That is all that is needed really other than that it is flawless.
[Windows 8 General] N1LOY:
I agree, this might be a bigger failure than Vista.
[Windows 8 General] biggiesmalls23:
keen to see it in action but not holding my breath...
[Windows 8 General] A_Flying_Fox:
Yeah metro is wack for desktop but great for tabs

Thats my only gripe
[Windows 8 General] :
I tried it on my laptop. it was OK, but i was peed off for no start menu. even an option..., and my drivers didnt work, but its not even a beta so heh.. this iis for tablets right, but i dont see the point. cant they put windows phone 7 on then?!?!? its pretty similar without the classic desktop... for now sorry microsoft. im sticking with 7 and XP
[Windows 8 General] Emi_Cyberschreiber:
it depends on the person.

i have used Windows from 3.1. so i know how Windows have changed over time...

and seriously i still dont understand how new UI is not for desktops. i have used it as my MAIN OS since 2 weeks ago... and it Works the same.

its just... i really feel these kind of threads dumb. because something tells me you dont even take the time to use the reléase which is a developer PREVIEW which means it needs time to develop some more stuff.

but people complain about new UI. its does the SAME thing than old start menu. launch programs and you write the name of the App and end.

it has the SAME desktop that i had in Windows 7 and vista, and xp, and 2000, 98, 95. the only difference its now you have to deal with a new start menu/screen.

come on... did you really spend 5 hours in old start menu to complain about new one? you dont have to use the the new UI that much. i design 3d, i listen to music, and browse the web, i play videogames. and sometimes i spend hours and hours and i dont see the new UI. HOURS not using the UI. sometimes i only activate it to use it. or i go to tweet@Rama.

but you have to do the same thing you did with old start menu!. launch apps!

and its the same... now i take less time with this new than old start menu.

sometimes i really dont understand these people. like in xda and they still dont understand the bright idea behind this new metro style ui?.

and its not like you have to use it, and its not like there is many apps to use anyway.

also its a PREVIEW obviously it will let to do more stuff later, like a button which launchs apps without using search button.

if you dont like new its not my problem, its ok. but dont come saying it doesn't work on desktop only because it doesnt work for you and you havent taken anytime to see some useful shortcuts and such, which aren't like the biggest learning curve.

so my points are 1. its like old start menu but gives more. which means you dont have to look and stare at it like idiots. just launch apps you need and you want and you wont see it much.

2. if you dont understand the bright idea behind metro UI... im impressed. maybe you should have stayed with MS-DOS because accept it, it wont let it turn anything off. you will have or have to use new Metro UI. dont like it you can stay with xp, vista or 7.

3. alot of stuff is metro based, even opciones of what you want to sync, spellchecker, and that stuff. so that goes to my point 2... it wont let you turn it off. why would be the point? i dont know.

4. its a PREVIEW so dont make ideas in your head like if its a final release.

5. there is old desktop... if you didn't see much taskbar you wont see much new metro UI. complaining about it and not trying to use it the best since its a PREVIEW so it misses some stuff. its silly.
[Windows 8 General] leogeeko:
You do realize that most of you are making observations on a Alpha release and runing inside virtual environments right? Tsc...
[Windows 8 General] Dastrum:
Yeah, how dare any of you have opinions or ideas. Should be against the law.
[Windows 8 General] cohowap:
This 100x fold. This thread is garbage, you can disable the Metro Start menu and havea a PC that runs at least 25% better than Win7 with the same functionality (how's that bad?).

I had a friend install Win8 on a VPC and used it for literally 3 minutes before saying it's garbage and he'll never use it. Then he spammed 100 people saying it sucks. Really 3 minutes is the current attention span of people now a days? All I can say is, I installed it on my actually laptop, and I loved it right away. Granted, I wish I can just use the mouse to scroll instead of looking for scroll bars, but man, a nice front page to actually give me data??? Screw icons.

I'll never go back to Win7 on my main PC's, they're all already Win8 and I've yet to have a single issue.