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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
No panic here... I dont think sprint would be that stupid... They obviously know the network is trash and had been planning on different fixes for awhile... So any phones released before the new provisions would be capable.... I could be wrong but at least I dont make multiple threads about the same "rumor(s)"

I am just wondering why OP mads this thread with no proof it will or will not support rev b...

And isnt there atleast 2 other threads regarding rev b. And the ET4G?! Why couldnt we keep it all in the same thread?

OP wants xda fame?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I ask the same of you that it HAS been upgraded.

Either way hopefully I'll find out soon as I'm asking the teardown guys what's underneath that white sticker. From what I've seen it should have a B at the end if the chip if it is upgraded, but nothing can be seen.

Xda fame, lmao get real. I want a phone that possibly has that capability jic.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] captblaze:
my et4g has rev b enabled

##3282# / view /advanced / 7th from top - evrc-b enabled

is that what you all are looking for???

^^
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
If nothing has been updated since 2007 on the chip/radio in our phones then explaine how I can do this?

(hint watch in 1080p)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cBgPjI-lkU&sns=em
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] QWIKSTRIKE:
ALL of my research that this will have rev b and h leads me to believe this phone will have EV 1x do-a support
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I think you underestimate Sprint's stupidity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ilGGP9BDZs Okay, Panic :)

I do hope this is rev B upgradable as I believe it is by far the best phone I've ever had.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I've already stated that is is possible it is an updated version, how updated we have yet to be seen. Still waiting on a link?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Not as moronic as you think... But could be....

But I wouldnt run around like a chicken with its fing head cut off posting useless out dated info on a qualcomm chip made 5 years ago in every thread regarding rev b. And on top of it make my own thread with my own ASSumption on the matter
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Outdated info is all we have. Sorry this pisses you off so much
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Dont have any just like you have none on the matter proving your point... All Im saying is stop confirming this that you have no proff on.. At least I can disprove your idea that where using a 5 year old radio
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bigjim1488:
This thread is worthless without PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Confirming only what is in the teardown, and according to the teardown it has this chip (supposedly), and according to the information on this chip, it doesn't support rev B (hope I'm wrong). Instead of arguing with me about it how about you try and find out yourself.

I've tried to call Qualcomm but got nowhere with that phone call. Anybody try and contact them too and got somewhere? Any other ways we can find out that anyone else knows of?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Again with assuming things... Im not mad... Sorry if it seems that way... Just find it stupid to blow smoke out of your ass and have no proof
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Like I said, with the only info we have the QSC 6085 doesn't support Rev B. That is not an assumption.

http://read.pudn.com/downloads149/d...set_Roadmap/Qualcomm_CDMA_Chipset_Roadmap.pdf

Hopefully the teardown was wrong and we have the MSM 7850 or QSD 8850 or something similar which would make sense given the specs.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] QWIKSTRIKE:
http://gizmofusion.com/2011/09/sprint-upgrading-existing-3g-coverage-area-to-evdo-rev-b-october-7th/

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1253405&page=3
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I hope this is true, but not counting on it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
According to dsl reports the e4t supports rev b

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r26...3G-network-upgrading-from-EvDO-Rev-A-to-Rev-B
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] R1ptide:
According to my phone it does
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Variable_Rate_Codec_B
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
That just links the same article that is leaking and speculating it does, which again I hope it does cause I love this phone otherwise.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
No ur just trying herras people, to me it really doesnt matter since the network upgrade wont happen anytime soon where i live im sure and even if it did id just buy another phone but so far i love this phone
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Not sure how I'm harassing anyone. Just informing folks that it may not support it given the chipset just in case people do care, which I do.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
No ur not informing anyone of true information just like all of us u have no clue
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
http://twitter.com/#!/bjrossiter/status/117015907552858112

http://twitter.com/#!/iFixit/status/117021389315248129
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
That clarifies alot......

How about asking them if they have an idea if its been revised...

Next time I go buy a car im only gonna ask if the car has 4 tires.......................
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I did, waiting on reply from Qualcomm and iFixit. Don't shoot the messenger.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
bjrossiterBrendan Rossiter

@iFixit Are you certain the chip in the Epic 4g Touch has the QSC-6085 chip? There was a white sticker covering the label....

46 minutes ago

in reply to @bjrossiter ↑

@iFixitiFixit

@bjrossiter Yup. We peeled off that sticker to verify.

24 minutes agovia Tweetie for Mac
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
I doubt they will know jusf by looking at it.. Unless it has another serial number or they have a "standard" 6085 chip laying around to compare...

Sorry for the **** headed reaponces its been one of those day where I feel likw arguing a point of intrest hope I didnt offend
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
No worries, I'm just deeply interested in finding this out and want to help any way I can. No harm no foul.

Edit: Had to start a Twitter account just to contact iFixit. Couldn't find another method of contacting them outside of their version of yahoo answers....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xlGmanlx:
which is a pain in the butt! i don't want to join twitter/tubmlr/facebook/myspace/4square/blah blah blah to reach out to some one anymore
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
Unbelievable. Well, actually, for Sprint and Samsung... no it's not. They did more or less the exact same thing in 2002 when they released the SPH-i300 (which supported only 9600bps circuit-switched CDMA data) knowing fully well that 1xRTT was going live less than 3 months after its launch date.

Yeah, you read that correctly... they literally and knowingly had Samsung manufacture a batch of really, really expensive phones, designed simultaneously and side-by-side with their planned replacement (the i330), and launched the i300 as their flagship phone knowing beyond doubt that it was going to be obsolete less than 3 months later. Apparently, even *Samsung* tried to talk them out of the lunacy.

The only justice was that the i330 itself ended up being fatally flawed in a way that couldn't be fixed (it had a bug that inevitably caused the phone to brick itself within a few months when a certain value got written to flash and caused a boot loop, and there was no way to permanently fix it because Samsung used mask ROM instead of flash), Sprint quickly ran out of i300's for warranty repairs, and they eventually ended up giving almost everyone who bought an i300 or an i330 a free SPH-i500.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I know, I thought I'd never start one. I really have no need for one besides this.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
WoW boy now wouldnt this take the cake if Sprint pulled this same crap with the Epic Touch. Not saying they did or didnt just saying.

But crap we will just have to wait to get the down dirty nitty gritty on the QSC6085 CDMA chip. I am not holding my breath tho after reading what Sprint did back in 2002.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] aleph23:
I'd imagine the QSC6085 chip is used only for the radio.

Camera and video playback are likely handled by completely different chips.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] psone:
What are our options? I purchased this based on the fact I read it had Rev b. We have only 3G in my area and I needed any type of speed upgrade, ready Rev B was coming very soon.

Any other options than a return before 14 days and then buy a Rev b handset?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Evo 3D definitely has a capable chip, and I'm fairly certain the Photon does too. Besides those two I'm not sure. I'd wait until confirmation before doing anything too hasty though.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
The Evo3D and MoPho are both confirmed to have chips that officially support EVDO Rev.B

Unfortunately, it looks like Sprint has managed to pull off 3 flagship phones that all have at least one major drawback relative to the other two. Pick your poison.

Personally, if I were you guys, I'd organize a day for everyone on XDA to return their phones en masse, and save your final 12-month upgrade for the Nexus Prime whenever it finally gets to Sprint. IMHO, none of Sprint's current phones are a sufficient improvement over the original Evo and Epic to be worth squandering your final upgrade on and commit to for 20 months. They're all baby-step incremental improvements, huddling in the shadow of Google's next leap forward.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
After today and reading up on various sites on this subject I am now wondering on why Sprint treated the Epic Touch like a red headed step child. Sprint has shown zero love for this phone but they sure showed a boat load when it came to the Evo 3D. This phone however was just there and Sprint did nothing to promote it.

Makes me want to take a second look.

I will state tho I really do love this phone and WoW it frigging rocks as it is I just hope and pray that it will be future proof and that it will support the new sprint vision.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abrcrmdl23:
I was told it has the same chipset and radio as the nexus s so of that chip doesn't support rev b then this phone might not. I also heard it is just a software upgrade and doesn't need additional hardware though.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
That's because it's not a Sprint exclusive. Sprint markets the hell out of their exclusives, like the Evo and the Evo 3D. Since everyone has options other than Sprint if they want an SGS2, they don't feel the need to market it as strongly, regardless of how awesome it is. It has nothing to do with showing it zero love.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] squshy 7:
Whoa...

Have you guys seriously not looked at the pics i put up last week?

http://db.tt/epSIeRX

The numbers at the bottom of the chip...I wonder if those are what needs to be researched...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] abowlby:
Will somone please Fing tell me if our phones will remain as is, if not supported. Please.

Or will I have no data?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
You need to clip them finger nails!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
it will still have data dont you worry!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Tried googling those numbers can came up with nothing. Thanks for the pic though
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
Calm down. We don't know. If it worries you that much, return your phone and wait until more is known. If you don't want to do that, then wait like everyone else. Calmly.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] squshy 7:
Owned 10char
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I sure hope you're right but until confirmation, I only expect this phone to receive the capability of the 800mhz band.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
My guess would be, based on experience with Sprint, so they can charge you another fee for the rev b. They won't specifically say it is for rev b, instead they'll refer to it as the new ultra rich data experience. Then they'll start charging a $20 additional fee for all new phones in that category.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
I spoke to and sent a detailed email to a friend of mine who may be able to provide some solid information on this. I'll report back once I get a reply if the information is of any use. May not be tomorrow though so keep your shirts on.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Sweet, can't wait!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
Obvioisly nothing anybody will say will change ur mind so why try
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Is that why Sprint flat out refuses to answer the question of the Epic 4g Touch supports Rev b and or Rev Advanced. Yes it has been asked and so far Sprint is not answering. Why? the question ask of them was not about the Network Vision but about the phone itself and its capability. Can it do Rev B or not, simple answer would surfice but again Sprint isnt answering that question.

Let me state I am not knocking what you posted, I can actualy see what you said and yes it does make sense to me. I just want to know if the phone supports Rev B or not. I did not ask about the Network Vision stuff just about the phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] squshy 7:
Yeah i can see it now, Dan Hesse puts out a press release to answer Wizard220's question about a specific device.

Lol, just pokin fun.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] acrown:
Don't hold your breath i did the same thing, and the only link I received was a link to the phones specs. What a joke, i was expecting an email with a link to a list of supported devices in which the E4GT was listed. Again a generic email with the a link to the E4GT's specs. I was told by a total of 6 reps all different, that the E4GT was compatible with revision b, and have all the recordings to prove it in case they give me **** when that time comes around. I was also told that it would take months or a year before we could take advantage of the new technology.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rockethot:
If it turns out that this phone does not support Rev B, Sprint isn't going to do anything about those reps misinforming me. I've been misinformed a bunch of times and show them the proof but all they say is, "We're sorry that you were told incorrect information."
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ericdabbs:
I knew that at some point those that have returned the Moto Photon would regret it when they got their Epic 4G Touch. I am so disappointed that Samsung decided to still use the Qualcomm QSC6085 CDMA chip from over 4 years ago (March 26, 2007 http://russia.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2007/070326_opens_door_mobile_print.html) which only has Rev A support. Luckily the Moto Photon uses the Qualcomm MDM6600 which has Rev A/B support. If Sprint does announce that they will deploy Rev B on Oct 7th, it will suck to have the slower speeds of Rev A on the Epic 4G Touch.

Also the software updates on the Photon have been fantastic so far. In about 1.5 months there has been 2 software updates with a 3rd one on the way. Talk about timely updates. Might be the Google touch on Motorola. I wonder when is the first time Samsung will release any update on the Epic 4G Touch....
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bondosho:
It was more on fixing the rebooting every 30 minutes issue.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ericdabbs:
Never experienced that problem on my phone. You must have gotten a bad unit and btw none of the software updates were to fix any reboot issue if you look at the changelog.

They did have a silent call issue when placing or receiving calls which was a big issue for me but it has been fixed and have not experienced that problem since.

This is taken from the official Sprint forums under Motorola Photon:

Motorola Photon 4G Software Updates in Motorola Photon 4G

Posted by dshoem01 Aug 24, 2011

Version	Release date

Description of Enhancement/Fix

-----------------------	-------------------	-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

4.5.1A-1_SUN-154_6

9/14/2011

- Adjustments to Wi-Fi functionality

Discuss it here

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4.5.1A-1_SUN-154_5

8/23/2011

- Improvements to voice calling to eliminate inadvertent voice calls defaulting to mute

- Improve stability, resulting in fewer occurrences of unresponsiveness

- Bluetooth support for mono headsets with the Sprint Visual Voicemail application

Discuss it here

----------------------	-------------------	-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

4.5.1A-1_SUN-154

7/31/2011	Initial Release
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
I wanted to try to get Sprint to exchange my MoPho for the ET4G... glad I didn't. Putting such an obsolete modem in there is just hard to believe. I'd definitely dump the ET4G within 14 days if Sprint and Samsung aren't forthcoming with solid answers.

---------- Post added at 04:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 AM ----------

The third MoPho update adds GTalk video capability.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gotmilk702:
I don't know a lot about chip manufacturing, but I can definitely see a scenario where the chips are physically the same and the only difference is which version of the software was flashed on it out of the box. I might well upgrade the model number, flash new software supporting rev B, and slap a white sticker over the old, now incorrect model number...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bondosho:
http://tinyurl.com/3qtsvv7

Seems they didn't mention it in their updates. I didn't have a Photon, I was happy with my Epic 4g running SRF 1.2.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Joey SR:
The radio chip in my og evo is better. How sad. And it supports 1xevdo and rev.b

This so called upgrade is going back.

Sent from my Epic Touch 4G
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] kingsway8605:
Jesus people, stop worrying about it and just enjoy your phone. Any phone you buy will be dated in a few, they do that intentionally. The rev B thing its just a rumor. Who knows what the actual event will be, but one thing is for sure, any phone you buy will be dated in a few months. Don't worry about it so much and relax.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DeviceSettings:
4 EV-DO Rev. B’s Multicarrier is a Cost-effective Software Upgrade from Rev. A.

The phenomenal growth in the popularity of mobile broadband has resulted in the significant increase in data traffic worldwide. EV-DO operators around the globe are continuing to deploy multiple Rev. A carriers to address this increased traffic. In the evolution of these networks, Multicarrier, the first phase of EV-DO Rev. B is the natural next step. Multicarrier aggregates multiple Rev. A carriers through a cost-effective software upgrade, allowing operators to leverage their existing network assets. Thanks to seamless handoffs between Multicarrier and Rev. A base stations, further economies can be realized by introducing Multicarrier in phases, beginning with high-demand areas and urban hotspots, followed by a wider deployments that gradually reach suburban and rural clusters.

This is from a link posted earlier in this thread about DoAdvance. There is some info on what is next for CDMA. It looks like the first part of Rev B is software and the second part requires a harware upgrade.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] imtjnotu:
people freaking out over a baseless rumor before we have any actual hard evidence hahaha
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
While it is very likely that our QSM6085 chip is software upgrade-able what you quoted is only about base stations. It's about "allowing operators to leverage their existing network assets" not so much about allow US to leverage our existing network assets.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] acrown:
If we happen to be able to get the update this thread is going to be extremely funny, once it all comes around. I've decided to stick it out and if worse comes to worse we will only wait a short time for upgrades anyway, just think i will take months to a year, since then i would of been enjoying the phone. Dam and all this just on rumors.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
Bad call IMHO.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] stefan.buddle:
Theory crafting it's just that, no one knows until they make an official announcement
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] sfhub:
EDIT: Ok, took a closer look and the picture is a little deceptive. It looks like parts of the 8 could have been covered with gunk or the writing was worn. It looks like it could be an 8 that due to degradation looks like a 3. If that's the case, obviously ignore what I said below, because we have a chip that says 6085.

Is that actually a picture of the E4GT?

If so, unless my eyes are deceiving me, it doesn't actually say

QSC6085

It says

SC60

3

5

Regarding the status screen, really that is just a printf in a program or some string table. I would trust the printing on the chip much more than a printf in a diagnostic page.

The status page could just as easily mean QSC6085 "compatible" or it could be a hardcoded string that hasn't been updated to dynamically retrieve the chipset info. Roll your eyes if you want, people were confused for a long time with LG Optimus baseband versions because they ended up being hardcoded with the ROM and were not dynamically querying the installed baseband.

If it was the QSC6085 it should look like this picture:

http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/samsung-galaxy-tab-teardown-sprint/483719?seq=40

It may very well be that the E4GT has the QSC6085 chipset from many years ago. Samsung has clearly used the chip before with the Galaxy Tab on Sprint. Completely open to that possibility. Just think we should see a chip that says that on the phone if that is what is included.

So what purpose does a Qualcomm SC6035 chip serve? Is it a variant of a QSC6085?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dtr145r:
i dont know why EvDo rev.b really matters to some people.

hell sprint dont even have EvDo rev.a in my area yea hahah
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] squshy 7:
It is definitely a pic of the ET4G. I took apart our demo unit the day we got it in.

Indeed, its merely gunk covering part of the 8. It's not a 3.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Zoidpilot:
Hmph... So where's the Q? Is there a difference between SC and QSC?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Bigjim1488:
This phone has too many good things going for it to worry about this. I'd love rev b but would not return this thing just because of it. I would tho be disappointed in Sammy if they really did use a old chip in this beautiful phone.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] craigbailey1986:
Wow... I left the Motorola photon and couldn't be happier... the reason it has had so many updates is because it has so many bugs. Don't try to manipulate the situation!

Also it may be best practice to see what sprint says. Being that the 14 day policy was not changed to screw anyone but to adhere to apple's policy for return items.

With the chip set, it was said that the hardware in the evo could not support 3d acceleration. But I think the kingdom roms have proven it can be done. Hardware limitation is obsolete these days. Far too many ways around limitations!

At the end of the day this thread is creating more confusion than actually answering questions... this is a forum which should not be used to voice baseless information... too many people look to these forums for information and misinformation could set off a panic with out any facts.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
Q = Qualcomm, which is written above the SC6085. Hence, shortened, it would be Q(ualcomm)SC6085.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
You are adding to the "confusion" by stating that the Photon has so many bugs. Mine, and many others', have had none of the bugs the updates were said to address since launch day.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] craigbailey1986:
As many others had issues... it's all over the general thread. The updates where mere bug fixes! Nothing to do with android... what I am saying is don't make remarks about how many updates your phone receives when it's only updates to fix bugs..... great job for motorola fixing problems in a timely manner, but does that equate to it being better than the ep4t?