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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strung:
The grass is always greener on the other side.

I get pretty good speeds on Sprint 3G in Minnesota, and when I need more speed (downloading an app or watching video) I can switch on 4G which works pretty well in a lot of places. I find Sprint's 3G is generally faster outside of the metro area.

I was on T-mobile and could get 2 Mbps to 8Mbps on their HSPA+ network in a lot of places in the twin cities metro. But in rural places and Wisconsin the speed would drop down to EDGE or worse, and EDGE is much, much slower than even CDMA 1x, and has latencies sometimes 500 to 1000ms, which is pretty much unusable. My phone would switch to EDGE even in the metro area in a lot of places, and forcing HSPA would lose signal a lot of the time. And Sprint's coverage is a lot greater than T-mobile's. So while Tmobile's 3G is faster I much prefer Sprint's network since I can use 4G in the metro area and still make calls and data in rural areas.

The other annoying thing is on Tmobile when it would switch between EDGE and HSPA it would temporarily lose the connection, meaning anyone who called me during the switch would get forwarded to voicemail. Also, the HSPA network interfered with the phone's own earpiece, adding static to calls, and to music played through the headphone jack (same thing happens on iPhones on AT&T/Tmobile).

The HSPA/EDGE switching was kind of goofy; I had to manually toggle between the two depending on if I wanted longer battery life or higher internet speeds...they're separate towers and HSPA signal is generally weaker than EDGE signals. Forcing HSPA would ensure high speeds, but result in a lot of dead zones.

In my experience Verizon, AT&T and Sprint's network are all about the same speed. T-Mobiles is really fast but their coverage area is weak which isn't that useful, because in the metro you'll probably have access to 4G or Wifi. Verizon's 4G network is amazing especially in buildings, but Sprint will one-up them with their Network Vision and LTE on 800, 1900 and 2500 mHz bandwidths.

On T-mobile I would have a bit of "data anxiety" as they call it, worrying that streaming music or Netflix would put me over the 2GB limit; it's really nice not having to worry about that on Sprint.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
in my area when i had att i would get about 400-600KB/s while on sprint I would get 150-200 tops
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
I agree. They now have a great selection of leading phones and a dismal network.

A few years ago, it was the other way around at Sprint. Mediocre phones but fast network.

Their customer base is growing at a reasonable pace after years of decline, their new phones are data-hungry, and their network just plain is no longer sized to handle that combination.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
Here's to hoping they post a profit one of these quarters...finally.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
I wonder if Sprint will cap data if & when they improve the network.

They don't need to do it now since the streaming experience is unusable, and downloading large files either disconnects or takes forever. No need to cap in a lot of areas since network performance makes it hard to consume a huge amount.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] stefan.buddle:
Spoke to a Samsung rep (Don't know how much they know about this) but he said that it doesnt support Rev B.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nunyabiziz:
You didn't have to read this on Phonescoop to know this. Doesn't anyone read the information printed on the box that the a phone came in? Im not saying that the E4GT does or doesnt support EVDO rev.b but having 800mhz doesnt mean that the phone will support EVDO rev.b.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] stefan.buddle:
Cant always trust the information on the box, look at the whole g2x fiasco, that was annoying for me
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Yeah I remember that.. But id trust printing rather than trust rumors/peoples opinions on hardware they know nothing about and believe everything they read in the interwebz....

if it doesnt support rev b and my area has it... And it says it does on the box... Sprint will be replacing my phone for a new device...

No one should be worried untill sprint clarifies if it does support there network changes

And if they pushed a phone out without the proper hardware to take advantage of there "improved network" then im sure most people will be switching to a provider that thinks ahead!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
That picture above your post says it all, no rev b for us.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Again provide proof that isnt on forum or non credible site that says it is a FULL hardware limitation...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BlueGoldAce:
Doesn't that just show what our phone currently support? No what it will support in the future?

There is an argument that this could just need a software update.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] jok3sta:
All the more reason for me to switch to verizon.. sprint was only good because of sero. But now that good phones are coming out, all sprint is doing now is crippling the phones with its ****ty service..

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic Touch 3g
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Yup and agree, sad it really is sad if this is the case. If on Oct 6 it is then known that this phone does not support Rev B it is going back. Sorry I really do love this phone but if Sprint cheaped out what else did they cheap out on.

To take a world class phone like this and just cheap out on it does it no justice, it gives it a bad taste and the phone will not shine.

Looking at the Prime now and will be doing some digging around for any info on it just incase. If that means closing out my sprint account and going to Verizon then so be it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Lookup Qualcomm MDM6600, It plain as day states it supports REV O, A, and B. If it supported it, it would state it.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Kinds makes you think really hard now huh on if this release of this phone was a shaddy deal with a quick bait and switch.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Always the possibility. The iphone is possibly getting released soon on sprint and regardless which one (4 or 5) the phone will have at least the same MDM6600 it had in the 4 which means IT will have that capability.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
10:28:54 : Thank you for contacting Sprint. My name is Isaiah H.

10:29:49 : Isaiah H: I am happy to help you.

10:29:59 : Isaiah H: Let me check the details in a few moments.

10:32:09 : Isaiah H: Thank you for your patience, I will have that information shortly.

10:34:19 : Isaiah H: Thanks for waiting.

10:34:44 : Isaiah H: I have checked all the details and your phone supports EVDO Rev

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I am trading in my epic for a evo 3d
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Wheres the rest of it after the REV part.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Vegasrich:
So who is taking the phone back at the 14 day mark?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] xJeganx:
I am seriously contemplating it right now. This plus the data dropping issue might make it worth waiting for the Nexus Prime.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] musclehead84:
That's a Bunch of crap. I paid over 500 bucks for this damn thing cause Sprint stopped the buy up program. Now I'm hearing that the radios are outdated. Wtf sprint? My 3g speeds are terrible and wifi sucks on this phone compared to my original epic.

The Evo3D Killer!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
I feel your pain I did the exact same thing if we dont get confirmation that it is indeed upgradable this thing is going back and ill be back on the OG epic waiting for real GB or the Prime :(
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Vegasden:
Read 10:48:49 in the post above you. I think that's confirmation.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
Considering Sprint's size and reputation in relation to the other (much) big(ger) two I feel confidant that untill all 3 networks reach subscriber count and capacity parity Sprint will be our underdog...If Sprint were to have as many subscribers (or somehow less subscribers and more profit) and a reputation to match them with ATT and Verizon I think then and then alone, after they surpassed one of the other two in reputation...that's when they will "reconsider the efficiency of their plan structures ability to maximize value"...to who? To you? The customer or the share holder?

Until Sprint QUADRUPLES in size and actually posts a profit and quadruples that, we have nothing to worry about.

...but then that means both of the other guys have lost LOTS of customers and one of them is the underdog now...guess who will suddenly start offering unlimited data....or upgrades every 3 months...or something to totally trump #1 and #2? Whoever is dead last...

I wouldn't worry. "Unlimited whatever" is a great marketing ploy to keep in the pocket. When you are on top you can abuse your ability to nickel-and-dime to death, when you are on the bottom you can maximize your perceived value--all other things equal.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] dkotoric:
So how are people feeling about this now after the anouncement since sprint used the gs2 to demonstrate on
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
How do I feel? Pretty much the same. They'd better get this network pulled together, and fast. This onslaught of iPhones is going to ruin the neighborhood...even more.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] yglup:
The photon has a Tegra 2 Soc.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
Wow! Epic necro. I hadn't even rooted my phone yet when this thread was going on.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ilostmypistons:
Churro7

I think you should ask 1 more time

Thanks for the entertainment lol

I hope the answers you got are correct
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Again, I'm not chancing what a Sprint rep is saying over what I've read already concerning the chip in our phones
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
I dont believe him I asked repeatedly after that.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
^^ THIS

Sprint just cant roll out a update and make our out dated chips the new ones. After doing some google lookups on the chip we have it does NOT support Rev B.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] chandlerw88:
I just called technical support. The Guy says if the 3d gets it we for sure will because their technology is older. Also said that its not hardware based, if they do get it, it would be a radio upgrade
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
LOL the 3D technology is NOT older, at least as far as the CDMA chip is concerned. The CDMA chip in the 3D is newer than the one in the E4GT.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
i call BS on that. Those guys dont know anything

Can someone post a link to the chip specs
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wizard220:
Exactly, if I am not mistaken the chip we have came out or was developed in 2005.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Not only that but correct me if I'm wrong, the only thing Sprint changed were the capacitive buttons and larger screen, so technically this is the same Galaxy S II the rest of the world has seen before the Evo 3D.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
You gotta be kidding me... Here I've been bummed out because I have the Photon and wanted the ET4G, and Samsung puts a 5-year-old modem in it? Wow... think I'll stick with the MoPho.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
http://russia.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2007/070326_opens_door_mobile_print.html

Here is another article that basically spells it all out for us concerning our chip.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/198500676

"Scheduled to sample later this year, the MSM7850 is backward compatible with earlier EV-DO technologies. Qualcomm said software upgrades for the company's earlier Cell Site Modem CSM6800 for support of the Rev. B version will be available this week.

In another development Monday, Qualcomm unveiled single chip Rev. A systems, including the QSC6085 that's being adopted by wireless service provider China Unicom and handset manufacturer Sanyo.

Qualcomm said the QSC6085 is pin-and software-compatible with its previous QSC families, allowing device makers to use their existing hardware platforms and software applications."
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
evo 3d here i come
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] digweed4me:
Whats the maximum speed 3g evdo rev a and b can do? if epic touch 4g has 800mhg radio it can certainly do new upcoming lte from sprint.i dont think we gonna get more than 3mbps on

3g doesnt matter if the radio is rev or rev b
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I had it and as upset as I would be about not getting rev B, I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER go back to the 3D. But that's just me...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strung:
REV B is old news!

DO Advanced is the new rev b!

http://www.qualcomm.com/products-services/wireless-networks/do-advanced
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
If this is part if the announcement I'd be happy.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] _MetalHead_:
Agreed, the 3D is a piece of crap and even if it somehow was able to pull down 100mbps I still would never go back to it. Sure it would be nice to have a little faster speeds but it's certainly not worth going back to a phone that is inferior in every other aspect to get them.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
I for one wouldblove Rev b and unless the eptouches issues get fixed that's what will happen this thing is awesome but the android is bug and the games closing bug annoys me
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
What's wrong with the 3d other than the gimmick
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Devi0124:
Seriously?? This is what you guys are basing returning your phone off of? Do you happen to see the up to 3mp camera support and 15 fps video?? Im kind of thinking this is dated info and might not be anything to worry about. Every article about the update says that our phones will be compatible. I wouldnt worry until there is a reason to.

The new QSC6085 features include:

Support for EV-DO Rev. A with backward compatibility to EV-DO Rel. 0 and CDMA2000

Equalizer technology for increased EV-DO data throughput

Powerful GPS location capabilities, including gpsOne® multi-mode hybrid assisted GPS technology, enabling a broad variety of location services such as navigation, social, safety and security applications

Up to 3 megapixel camera support with anti-shake capability

15 fps video encode and decode capability

72-voice polyphonic ringtones with support for multiple audio codecs

Multiple technologies to improve network capacity, including Qualcomm Linear Interference Cancellation (QLIC™) with pilot and traffic cancellation, and Fourth Generation Vocoder™ (4GV™), published as the EVRC-B 3GPP2 standard codec, which gives network operators the flexibility to prioritize voice quality or network capacity

Support for multiple bands, including 800 Mhz, 1900 Mhz and the AWS band (1700/2100 Mhz), with mobile receive diversity

Cost-effective 65 nm process technology and a 12 mm x 12 mm package size
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
I saw that too, that's the only thing that still gives me hope that this chip has been updated with more capabilities.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] phyba:
Has nothing to do with sprint, has to do with apple. All apple products have a 14 day return window....Iphone 5 coming to sprint thus imposing 14 day return window on all phones
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
Exactly. Who's to say this is the QSC6085 Rev 1 chip? Maybe it's been updated to Rev 2, which include EVDO-b capabilities. According to spec sheets, the chip everyone thinks we have is running a camera with 5mp more than it should be able to, and much more fps than it should be able to. I'd really love for the ifixit guy to pull that white sticker to see what's actually really written on the chip.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] BlueGoldAce:
You could be right. I don't see sprint screwing people like this.

Plus, the evo 3d has signal problem...and data speed problem...so it could be that the chip in our phone is better in those areas, and has been updated to be future proof on the network.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zayin101:
Anybody have any idea how Rev B is even going to be rolled out? I live in Oklahoma City and they dont even have one 4G tower here!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gaspowered1:
Zayin, OKC does have 4g. It's not listed on the official Sprint website, but we do have it. It's spotty as all get out. Go to the corner of NW63rd and May, and turn on 4G. It'll work.

You can check the actual 4G coverage on the Clearwire site.

http://www.clear.com/coverage
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Silent25r:
I'm hearing all the discussion about this and I'm kind of not caring much either way. If they get it and it supports are phones then great, if not, oh well. I mean this update isn't going to change my device right?

My 3g is about 500kbps. 6000 on 4g if I'm not moving much. I read what other users are having to deal with and now I'm understating the problem. Some of us are getting under 100kbps. I'm not sure if I would have stuck with Sprint this long if my coverage was that bad.

Besides I could buy a new phone every year off contract and still be saving money by sticking with Sprint. Not that that is my plan. This new network of theres might take a long while for it to even make it to the majority of us.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
We don't need that. It's already been confirmed as the QSC6085 in the system profile screenshot posted in this thread.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zayin101:
Yeah I know.. I actually just found out about this last week and realized the "4G" only follows the Interstate and quickly drops off when you get into neighborhoods.. I live on NW 37th and Penn.. I had 4G signal until I just pulled onto my street then bam.. nothing.. so if this "ghost 4G" is not official, is it just roaming or are these really sprint towers?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I live very close the intersection of 2 of the largest highways in Los Angeles and I barely get 4G coverage on Sprint.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] drksilenc:
yes but is it a rev 1 or rev 2 chip is the question
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Is there such a thing as rev 1 or rev 2 of this chip? Link?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
It's still possible it was a typo by a low level code monkey that was not caught, or again, it could be v2 of the chip, and the Samsung software won't allow adding revision numbers to the chipset. Seeing what's actually written on the chip could mean nothing, or it could show a rev/version 2 of the QSC6085 chip that can't be shown in the software. Like I said, I would love to see it, because it has the potential to clear up some of the speculation.

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That's the thing. We don't know. There's not much info about the chip, but according to specs released when the chip was released 5 years ago, if our phone really was running that same chip without a revision update, then we'd be stuck on 15fps video and a 3mp camera, which we most certainly are not.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sean-El:
You mean no more Silver premier upgrades? Or no more upgrades in general?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] ttieder:
Didn't this all come from a teardown from I fix it that's the only place stating the radio
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zayin101:
From what the reps said at Best Buy and what Ive heard Sprint is completely doing away with the Premiere one year upgrades.. heard somewhere it is changing to 20 months now..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] deano0714:
Yup... Got somethig in the mail staiting that..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
IFixit's teardown started it, but it was confirmed in the configuration screenshot on page 2 of this thread. There's little doubt that the QSC6085 is in this phone, the question is was it updated since its release in 2007? If so, is the most recent version of it in our phone, and is it compatible with EV-DO Rev. B?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sean-El:
Any links or anything confirmed or just talk?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
Completely confirmed:

http://premier.sprint.com/premierupdate/faq.php#goldupgrade

EDIT: Also,

http://premier.sprint.com/premierupdate/?id12=vanity:premier
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
What about this article that says all new phones will be compatible with their future network upgrades?

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837

I think everyone needs to calm down until their little announcement in Oct.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] zayin101:
Sep 15, 2011 6:59 AM

Sprint Discontinuing Sprint Premier Program

We wanted to let you know about a decision we have made to end the Sprint Premier Program.

The program will be phased out gradually. Depending on whether you are eligible now for certain of the program’s benefits, or would become eligible soon, you still will have time to take advantage of them. We’ll provide additional details about that below.

First, though, we wanted to share more about why we are taking this step.

We value the business of all of our customers, and especially appreciate those who have been loyal subscribers for many years. The Premier program was one way we attempted to demonstrate that we appreciated that loyalty.

This was a difficult decision, but we needed to take some actions now so that Sprint can continue offering other things our customers have told us that they appreciate most. These include:

Simple and unlimited pricing plans without throttling or overages;

Cutting-edge selection of 4G, Android and other devices at affordable prices;

Network upgrades and strong customer service

“In order to continue offering customers one of the best values of affordable unlimited data plans in the industry today, cutting-edge devices at great prices and our ongoing investment in providing great customer service, we had to make the difficult decision that it’s necessary to bring the Sprint Premier Program to a close at this time.” -Melinda Parks, Director of Marketing, Sprint

Sprint still offers many benefits that set us apart from our competitors. We also will continue looking for ways to allow our customers to enjoy certain benefits, such as being able to buy or trial some future devices first and take advantage of promotional accessory offers. We hope that our loyal customers will recognize the value and advantages we offer when making their decisions about where to take their business.

Thank you for giving us the chance to share this information.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/76398?start=0&tstart=0
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Hard to when you pay a premium price for a phone that might not take advantage of a rumored announcement early next month. The return policy changed just in time for it too meaning we'll possibly be SOL if it is all true by then.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Its like you know what your talking about...

Until YOU confirm it will not be compatible with rev b on page 1......

Clearly you developed and hand made this radio your self to know if its been revised since 2007....

If this is a 3mp camera and only @ 15fps with that crazy new "anti shake" thing then im claiming false advertisement suit on samsung/sprint

Will you testify on my behalf?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] boe:
I think it is compatable just a BT (or USB) 3.0 device is compatable with 2.0 - they don't work at full speed but they are technically compatable.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] deano0714:
My question is why would a radio limit the amount of megapixels your phone can have and the fps? Wouldnt that be the processor and the graphics card??
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Beejis:
Not sure why you're getting mad at me I'm just reporting what I see, and I don't see rev b capability. Until I see otherwise, I'll assume it doesn't.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] nate420:
Not mad just gave everyone a close minded responce just as you are...

You tell everyone with a ET4G will not have the ability to usd rev b if and when its out... Yet you base your info off 5 year old specs and data sheets....

show me a website (that is credible)

Within the last 6 months stating this phone has the exact same chip you claim it has... With no modifications or revisions done to it....

Obviously things have been modified... So assume what YOU want but untl you have inconclusive evidence dont run around yelling to the world this phone is useless and wont be capable of any new network changes

Cry wolf?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strung:
Let's not get into panic mode!!!