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[Windows 8 General] benjoid:
Plus webOS did the same thing. It was called Just Type. *shakes fist at HP* damn youuu, killing webOS! :(

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[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
LOSING THE BATTLE TO THE TROLLS NEED BACKUP Reply

I do - it's called Windows 7, and all you have to do is give the Start Menu a click and begin typing.

That's what I said before - why do you just keep repeating everything I say?

If you're referring to the "massive" start menu, I think it needs to be at very least made an option, not some appendage thrown under the bus and added into the corner as an insignificant afterthought.

He very well could. I believe that if we reelect "osama" for another term (which thankfully doesn't seem too likely at this point), I think he could really put us into the apocalypse. Look what he's done so far!

Between you and me, I've never tried to open the device manager in "W8", but I know some friends who had a look at it, and there was a "learning curve" to finding it. C'mon, this is the Device manager here - there simply shouldn't be instructions or learning curves to something that should be very straightforward.

Me? I'm not trolling more than you are. Just talking about Microsoft, friend, that's all.

I rest my case...

- 2 Bunny
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
You can't read...

I don't even know if you are being serious or not... If you are then you are mad...

You have heard... from a friend...

Could have fooled me...
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
PROMOTIONAL PLUG Reply

Can't read what?

About the apocalypse? What do you think?

About Obama being bad for the job? What do you think?

Are you trolling or are you just plain stupid?

Glad we got that out of the system. Wanna be my buddy on YouTube? I've got over 100 delighted subscribers and 100,000+ satisfied viewers.

- 2B
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Regarding Obama, an I know its off topic, but anyone in that situation was always going to appear to do poor things for the people, that's what happens when you screw up the worlds economy, no one could do better in such situations, its unfortunate but that's life
[Windows 8 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
Yes I know, but it was in reference to Windows 8, and the fact you do not have to click anything....just start typing and search Opens automatically for you.

No buttons to push no mouse to move.

Thanks for coming out, and have a nice day.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
GOOD DAY Reply

No problem, have a good day too. :p

Don't forget, if you ever want to become a friend or subscriber to my YouTube channel, I'm always here.

- 2B
[Windows 8 General] Oliver94:
Agree, it could be a cool system but if you don't have a touch screen it sucks. The "sense" get lost.
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
I thought the same thing from screenshots. Then I started using it daily. I was wrong. It's super intuitive, super easy, and VERY fast--even with a mouse and keyboard. A touchscreen would just be icing on what is already a glorious cake :)
[Windows 8 General] mentalghost:
Used it not impressed went and got a new tablet with it on sent it back and requested funds back people saying its fast well I think its not that good. Will stick to my Windows 7 systems and laptops for now
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Who sells you a tablet with beta software on it AND still gives you a refund...
[Windows 8 General] benjoid:
HP used that strategy with the TouchPad!!! :-P :-(

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[Windows 8 General] mentalghost:
Wasn't beta it was full release of it. Am not that stupid to go out and buy a beta system.

I custom build systems myself at home and one of my friends has a good contact within the industry and gets all the latest gadgets and gizmo's before they hit the markets . Said there due out in the 6 to 8 Months providing they are fully compatible. I even asking if it was beta he said no this is the actual product they are going to release. Still If I get to see him next week after the holidays I will get some more info and screenshot of it
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Windows 8 has not reached RTM yet, not even internally and I'm pretty sure of it.
[Windows 8 General] madamimadam:
Waited

I waited about three weeks to post in this section, because contempt prior to investigation is a slippery slope. I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate, which absolutely rocks with windows 8 installed. But that is not the topic of discussion here, so I will try not to mention it again. I also installed it on our home PC that my wife uses for social networking, media storage and consumption, and a plethora of research and paper writing related to Law School. I dont touch that computer except to fix it.(she has a bad habit of maxing out the 500GB HD with movies). This time she had a trojan downloader that i was having trouble chasing down, because it buried itself in so many places it made my head pulse, so I told her "Im doing a fresh Windows install" I didnt mention anything about it being Windows 8 Consumer Preview. This review is based on a third person view of someone not so tech savvy getting a taste of windows 8. The machine is an i3 with 4gigs RAM.

The first 5 minutes;

"What the F*** is this?"

"Where the H*** is my start button?"

"Where is the internet?"

"God D*** it Turner, Im going to kill you"

Then she turns it off and walks away.

With as excited as I was about Windows 8 on my Slate, I was disappointed with her reaction. The problem with Windows 8 isnt the OS itself, the problem is peoples expectations on what Windows is supposed to look like. All of the tasks that she used to perform on Windows 7 had a certain set of movement/clicks. Very few of those movements have stayed the same.

After two days of listening to her complain, I sat down with her for about an hour and showed her about gestures, corners, charm bar, shortcuts, desktop/metro differences and similarities. I kept hearing her say "wow, that easy". "Hey that's kinda cool". After three weeks....SHES HOOKED...She loves it!

In conclusion, the things I have learned about Windows 8 on desktops.

1.People have preconceived notions of what it will be be, and they are wrong!

2.There is a learning curve

3.Its great for media consumption

4.All of her programs installed with little problem.

5.There are LESS clicks/mouse movements to perform the same tasks.

6.Its great for cross platform usage.

7.Letting go of the start button is hard, but necessary to bring Windows 8 into full potential.
[Windows 8 General] JiN1337:
User friendly, it may be a great operating system. But the technicians, modders, and hackers don't like easy because it limits the functionality of the operating system. I think it's too eye-candy and the only thing that pretty much changed was the fact there's no start menu anymore, and there's apps.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
oh i aggree with that to an extent, but we are a minority, its not in MSs interest to target us, you can argue that we help influence buying decisions but the general public is becoming too tech savey for that to be a serious factor any more.

Now what they will listen too is constructive feedback from us via the CP program, so all you lot that have downloaded it to TEST it, like YOU asked them to do, get on with it and TEST it, use it and provide feedback so that they can get a meaningful amount of data to improve it in RC and RTM stages and not just "its crap" "Dont like it" then delete it straight after.

Its a test program folks, lets TEST it like we asked to.
[Windows 8 General] DreamFX:
i like windows 8....its got its quirks but that's expected from a non-retail build
[Windows 8 General] minks2903:
Agreed

Agreed! The worst Interface by Microsoft
[Windows 8 General] moocow1452:
I like the Super Start personally, if you could add apps outside the store and let them still play nice with Metro. Chrome would be especially nice, considering Hexxeh Lime is the coolest thing ever to play with.
[Windows 8 General] AmericanDane:
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Good grief. You need to open your mind a bit before you dump the early Beta which is out there.

First, using the OLD interface is not a hack. It is built in.

Second, scrolling and desktop layout is configurable as to how you want to work. Suggest you spend some time customizing your desktop to the way you want.

Third, the UI is NOT the whole point of windows 8. Metro is going to be better for all of us for various reasons, but it isn't the only improvement - just the most visible.

Fourth, this is a beta release for you to play with.

I responded because I think your critique was way too subjective and not in the best interest of those who want to try Win 8
[Windows 8 General] N8ter:
I always thought Macs were overpriced for the same or worse hardware in a PC, but with Windows 8 it's a no brainer for me to get a Mac. Not even really a decision to make. I tried the consumer preview, it's a train wreck especially multi-tasking Metro nad non-Metro apps.

Metro on Desktop W8 has the same stupid issue as Windows Phone 7. It wastes a ton of on-screen real estate for no decent reason other than to have a huge text banner and maybe some small buttons in the upper right corner.

Anyone who has performance issues on Windonws 7 needs to learn how to use and keep their computer running well (which can be done chiefly via the task scheduler these days i.e. RegCleaning, Defragmenting, Virus Scanning, etc.). Maybe upgrade their RAM and use MSE instead of bloated Norton or McAfee or whatever else they're using.

Windows 8 on a desktop is borderline unusable to me. I will be buying Windows 7 (extra copy) before Windows 8 releases for my next gaming PC and using a MacBook for everything else. Apple has better stock apps, anyways (iLife, etc.).

The beta is feature complete, so I dunno what you mean it's only a beta version to play with.

Secondly, the UI is the most important part, since all the other optimization (or most of them) could be implemented in a Windows 7 Service Pack if they wanted, anyways...

You can't really use the old User Interface. They bastardized the Start Menu, the System Tray, etc. They also only allow Metro apps to be sold directly (and updated directly) via the Windows Store.

Have you people even tried multi-tasking Metro and Desktop Apps? Have you tried using Windows 8 with multiple monitors with Metro and Desktop Apps? The user experience is pure crap, utterly jarring, and completely out of place on non-touch Desktops and Laptops.

They should have kept that on Tablets and Phones and left the Explorer shell there for non-touch users, or at least given us a choice on which to use.

Full Screen Metro apps waste so much screen real estate that I cannot fathom using a Desktop OS that is pushing developers to that type of app for consumers.

I'm not buying it, that's for damn sure, and if I do buy an OEM PC I'll make sure it comes with a free Downgrade to Windows 7. Lots of corporate users will stay on Windows 7 as well. Metro absolutely destroys power-user productivity and would require a lot of retraining (and lost productivity in the retraining period, which is not acceptable when you have thousands of users on Windows 7 - why do you think XP still holds so much marketshare?).
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Its BETA, its NOT feature complete, there are issues with Multi monitor support that the BETA testers have fed back

Multi tasking works fine in metro and desktop and across the two, although running Video in Metro apps seems to get paused when you flick to desktop (also fed back, because I asked to TEST it for them, you know to HELP change things rather than moan about it)

in fact, Im not even going to reply to the rest of that, id be typing all night pointing out flaws in your arguments.
[Windows 8 General] N8ter:
Microsoft said that Windows 8 is feature locked pretty much. Go read the interviews.
[Windows 8 General] vetvito:
WOA is where the real problem arises. W8 is ok.
[Windows 8 General] LilBompie17:
Yeah, it's great and all, but just not for desktops, unless you have a "magic mouse" like mouse
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
yes in terms of development of new features, but the CP isn't final by a long shot, the whole point of MS doing this is to get feedback, now that may not be taken on board but its sure as hell going to stand a better chance of being taken on board by proper testing and feedback via Win 8 then *****ing about it here..

Go use it and stop just reading about it.

:rolleyes:
[Windows 8 General] vetvito:
Highly doubtful that you'll see anymore changes.
[Windows 8 General] Merlee:
imo metro has good ideas, even for desktop PCs, but its just not anywhere near completion. If they are going to release it, like it is now, why even bother?

Many of us stayed on windows XP for years and I'm going to stay with Win7 for the next years, if they are going to release that incompleted bad desktop UI.

The handful of new features that are coming with windows 8, are just not worth it.

I mean, there are really cool things in it, but im not going to take them, at the price as high as using my computer like my smartphone.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
and

Ill put money on some of it changing, this is the whole point of the CP and the first 2 RCs they didn't dump these "free" OSs out there for us to have a joy ride, they put them out there to get valuable information that can only be gained by it being installed on as many different hard and software configurations as possible and to get feedback on the OS and bugs, where trends appear they can then use that data to look at the development of that feature and change as needed.

I couldn't care less about folk not liking it, but moaning on here about it wont help anyone and only fuels FUD. Use it, test it, get used to it, and put it through its paces, the more you do that, the more data MS collects and the more chance if there is a common trend of things getting changed.
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
I think the words "Consumer PREVIEW" sum it up just fine, at least for those who speak English and can use a dictionary. It's not final. It's not CLOSE to final. It's a PREVIEW of the basic UI. It's clear by spending a few hours with it that a number of areas aren't at the level of polish that a 2012 UI needs to be at. Yes, I'm sure the interface is substantially similar to what we'll end up with, but it's going to change a little. Some things will be added, clearly.

Jeez. You'd think people had never seen a beta before.
[Windows 8 General] Merlee:
I said IF they are going to release it like that...

Never said it's final or anything.

I really hope that they refine it for the Desktop, as I said it has good Ideas.

The real bad thing for me is the lack of metro apps, once there is a metro app for everything, it might be pretty fun to use, but switching between the classical desktop and metro is just slowing things down.

But thats just my opinion.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I agree on app content but as you say its early days, I dont see switching between the two to be slow, in fact I find it very quick when you look at what can be achieved with the touch of a button, windows button, once setup you can see so much more info in a single glance then ever before, metro on the desktop in my opinion is just that, a fancy quick look at things, it shines on touch devices but on desktop its very much a tool, and even in its current state its a handy efficient tool at that.
[Windows 8 General] westwaswon:
I have no problems with Windows 8 on a desktop. At first it seemed horrid for use with a keyboard/mouse, but after watching the keynote and picking up the tips they used there, I'm loving it. My one qualm is I don't quite like the difference made between programs and apps. If you open an "app" then its on the launch bar to the left and you can scroll through them. If you open a "program" (one that runs on the desktop) you can scroll through those individually. You can only go to desktop and then navigate from there. After using 8 on my home computer for a month+ I'm now finding that I swipe at the sides of my screen at work forgetting there's nothing there. I really like Win 8.
[Windows 8 General] Maggost:
I tries to install Windows 8 dev in a virtual machine few months ago, for desktops looks ok. The change is hard but i can get use with it.

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[Windows 8 General] Alexander-HTC:
Why do you have to get use to it? Why do you have to adopt to inconvenience? Isn't the whole purpose of OS to make user's life easier and task faster? And if the new OS doesn't benefit you, why do you have to update.

It sad that Windows 8 focused to much on tabled at the cost of everyday desktop users' usability.
[Windows 8 General] Maggost:
Maybe some day microsoft will release a version more suitable for desktops.

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[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
it doesn't cost usability at all. and lets put this another way

If you Drive an automatic car all your life and only sat an automatic car test then, yes, you need to adapt and learn how to use a manual. Doesnt mean its any worse off and actually when you do learn it, it can be much more enjoyable!

Win 8 is the same.
[Windows 8 General] jerome snail:
You don't adapt to inconvenience. You adapt to change.

Sometimes change is good.
[Windows 8 General] Zorigo:
I reckon that's how most people are gonna react at first, hopefully people come round, coz its looks pretty good!
[Windows 8 General] n73gamer:
yeah, i totally agree with you guys

i also installed it besides my WVista and W7, i loved the metro ui, but with the mouse replacing the fingers, is not really the way to go..:mad:

well, maybe microsoft will change it in the final, who knows :P
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
I disagree, its exactly the way to go, too long has windows been tied to the past, the desktop has essentially been the same since 1995, nearly 2 decades! Being backward compatible is one thing, but living in the past is foolish
[Windows 8 General] Schmarvin:
Looks good, but I don't like it. Maybe if my large LED monitor was a touchscreen, I might like it. But, hell, even then I'd be iffy. The welcome screen needs to be easier to navigate.
[Windows 8 General] fed44:
Here's loads of tutorials so that even you can learn how to use Windows 8:

http://www.lynda.com/Windows-tutorials/Windows-Consumer-Preview-First-Look/100467-2.html
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Fed44, I think we are pissing in the wind here, some folk are incapable of adapting to change and just don't want to listen an learn an that's fine but what gets me is why they even bothered with it and why go on to ***** about it here, its the same with wp7
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
Dazza, I think the voice of reason is pissing into the trolls'/fanboys' wind here actually. We have lost this thread to the trolls, but we sometimes correct laughably bad posting just for kicks. It's not that we're lazy, we just don't feel like wasting our time anymore.

On behalf of the entire voice of reason in this thread,

- 2 Bunny
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
Dear God, why hasn't this ****ing trollfest been locked yet? Can a moderator please shut this horse **** down? Jesus Christ!
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
Guess I'm not the only voice of reason in this thread.

- 2B
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
Yeah I think it's safe to say this thread has run it's course.

I suggest further discussion be divided into two threads; "first impressions" and "thorough feedback"... or something.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
RUINED Reply

I'd rather not say that the thread has run it is course, rather the thread has just run its course. Honestly, there are just too many trolls on XDA DEVELOPERS now unfortunately for threads about Windows 8 and ESN changes to be useful anymore unfortunately - both topics could be discussed but are ruined by trolls, it's just the sad reality of this current time period.

- 2B
[Windows 8 General] xxmrbluntsxx:
i dissagree

I like windows 8 once you get used to it its awsome! its smooth doesnt hickup and most of all looks so great..best ived used thus far.
[Windows 8 General] pigr8:
for desktop? mm.. i tryed consumer preview and the metroUI used with a mouse is awkward, if hacked and used without metro it's like a w7 optimized and nothing more.

maybe a solution like magictrack from Apple on a pc, to use the touch function.. bah..
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
Totally disagree. I don't find there to be anything awkward about metro with a keyboard and mouse. In fact, I find it to be faster than the standard desktop, even using KB/M.

You do make a good point with the magic trackpad notion, which is what I've been saying ever since we first saw metro. The days of the MOUSE are numbered. Keyboard isn't going anywhere, but I fully expect that we'll see more devices like the magic trackpad (Logitech has already released a multitouch pad for Windows PC's, though of course it's limited in its usefulness for Win7) appear once Windows 8 ships.

It's maddening that people are so dead stuck on the idea that keyboard+mouse is "the only way," or that touch on screens is the only way touch can happen on PC's. It's ridiculous, narrowminded, short-sighted thinking.

Luckily, Microsoft clearly has much longer range vision than do many of the people in this thread.
[Windows 8 General] N8ter:
This is a bit comical.

When you can upload a video of you editing audio in Adobe Audition with a touchscreen I'll take it a bit more seriously.

Or Video in Vegas.

People aren't reliant on mice because they've been using them for decades. There are clear technical advantages to mice that even Microsoft had to acknowledge in their speeches - for one, they're ridiculously accurate and make getting around the screen and to elements very efficient. They also come with 3-5+ buttons on the same device and a scroll wheel. Some of us don't use Mice with 1990s designs. The Mice and pads we use are sophisticated. Windows 8 made it a PITA to use a mouse due to the tile-based Start Screen and the "4 Corners" concept which make using the OS with a touchpad is a terrible experience - that's not discounting the other glaring issues with "Desktop Metro" that have been discussed ad infinitum by now on Blogs and Forums (even this one).

Look, the issue is that Microsoft doesn't want to distinguish the form-factors in the way they should be distinguished. They say it was terrible to put Desktop Windows on a tablet and try to sell it; well it's equally terrible to put Tablet Windows on a desktop and think we'll fawn over it and call it incredible. That's basically what they're doing. Windows 8 Metro on a Tablet - good. Windows 8 Metro on a Desktop - I'm not using that.

Maybe Windows 9 will be incredible and come with a decent desktop. I'm skipping out on this one.

Additionally, who cares about the under the hook improvements? They could have implemented those in both a Metro and Desktop (i.e. more akin to Windows 7) OS and still delivered the same or very similar performance increases. That's not the factor we're debating here. We're debating their decision to forgo the traditional desktop in lieu of this metro monstrosity without even giving users a real Start Menu and an option to choose which default they want.

Additionally, most of the stock apps are now Metro and they look like crap.
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
What's comical are people with your perspective. Windows 8 doesn't make working with a mouse difficult at all--it's really no different than it's ever been in the kinds of apps you're talking about. Yes, SOME kinds of work are best done on a desktop with a mouse and keyboard--not all.

But to think that Windows 9 will drop metro? That's a comment that just screams "ignorant noob" :p
[Windows 8 General] Zurginator:
The biggest issue I'm having with 8 (and it's been my daily driver for a while) is the 4-corners concept.

On a single monitor, it's not *too* bad.... but on multiple monitors, it becomes near impossible to use.

It's also worth noting that you can't run desktop on 1 monitor and metro on the other, which would have been nice.
[Windows 8 General] IIrmantass:
Still, it's good OS, but it needs some tweaking. In start menu thingy. I hate that.