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[Windows 8 General] UlvWolf:
Never been a Metro fan myself, but I do think Windows 8 will be a decent OS as long as metro is not forced on users.
[Windows 8 General] jonny4:
I have re-installed Win 8 Dev on my HP and have been using it a lot and I am starting to see how this would work on non touchscreen computers and be useful. The metro app hubs come in handy, I mean I don't have to open a webpage to get dime of the information I like to read time to time. As the apps come along it will be more useful, think of them as an evolution if the gadgets from Vista and 7.
[Windows 8 General] DARKF3D3:
It works on Mac?
[Windows 8 General] benzcomp:
No touch screen, not good to use it
[Windows 8 General] Irrdial:
I like it, but to be honest i treat the Metro as a nice screensaver/dashboard with all my shortcuts and information. The rest is probably only good for touch.

Oh, and yes - it does work on Macs via bootcamp.
[Windows 8 General] Link1993:
Just a question ..

Have you ever seen the la OS from apple..

Mac os x Lion... an iPhone in your computer --'
[Windows 8 General] WizardCM:
I have to agree here, many are saying that 'Windows 8 doesn't work on desktop.' But the thing is, Apple has done exactly the same thing with Lion, making it look like iOS. And does that work well on desktops? I haven't tried it, but looking at it logically it looks incredibly less usable on a desktop computer.

Next you have to look at the Metro-styled interface in Windows 8. Yes, it scrolls vertically and not horizontally. Yes, it's designed touch-first. But there are multiple points that have to (and have been) brought up.

1. This is a developer preview. There's still around a year's worth of development work that can go into improving every aspect of Windows 8. The developer preview is not designed to show exactly how the Start screen works, but so developers can start working with the new runtime, the new environment, and the new opportunities that Windows 8 will bring, touch or otherwise.

2. It's called touch-first. Obviously, when Microsoft was preparing the developer preview, and preparing the touch devices developers got at \\Build\, they weren't thinking "everyone, including regular users, is going to start using this developer preview as their primary operating system." They were thinking, "we have this new environment, these new ideas, we want to show them, and let developers try it out."

So sure, the Start screen and everything surrounding the Metro-styled interface doesn't work perfectly with a mouse and keyboard, but even in this early pre-beta position, it's usable, and does what a developer preview is supposed to do: let developers start building apps early, and collect vital feedback surrounding the changes they've done so far.
[Windows 8 General] Link1993:
I've just installed it on my mac. The OS isn't finaly bad... It has just been really created for being used with a multitouch trackpad from apple (MacBooks, and for me with an iMac, Magic trackpads). If you use a mouse, the OS is going backward. With a trackpad, the scroll bars desapires, with a Mouse, they are coming back. Scrolling has been inverted (why ???) for a more "natural use"... yeah ! For making page down, you have to do it like an iPhone, with fingers up (originally, it's fingers down). Spring board from the iPhone is also here... Exposé which was really great, has change name. It's now Mission Control. Exposé could show you every open window you had. Now, it's show by app... Same thing with spaces... Before, you could change the complete orientation of this spaces for easy switch. It's now only on one line... switch with a trackpad is fast via 4 finger switch, But it was really better with the keyboard.

Apple mail has been completely changed. It's really nice now ! works fine, thread mode is so great ! In others apps, it compile only the messages. Now it's done like on an instant messaging client, with send and received e-mails and so on.

The design changes too. It's more colored now :D. Gray is great, but with some times working with snow leopard (and leopard before...)...

So, nothing really new to say on it, but nothing bad to. Anyway, 23€ the OS... ;)

And you have no choice, with apple before, you could have a computer which was 8 years and continu to use it, with last apps... Now, you must have the last OS...

Do you remember iOS ? iPhone 3G and EDGE ? They are making the same thing with the macs now... :(
[Windows 8 General] kudoboi:
as a huge pc gamer to me it doesnt matter hw fast the boot time is. its about the processor n graphic card etc n metro ui is a pain in the ass just to switch off.. i honestly will not use it until there is a fix or workaround of the metro ****. ill probrably stay on win7 im nt moving to mac cuz mac barely has any games like bf3
[Windows 8 General] neotanker:
hi

You didnt recomend to use WIN8 in PC"s???
[Windows 8 General] Link1993:
+1

But disable metro is maybe not so hard to do !

And it also will only enabled on tablets, so don't worry about this ;)
[Windows 8 General] vonex:
+1

windows 8 will get better then what it is now.
[Windows 8 General] OmegaRED^:
Agreed.. i still use the windows classic theme for win 7
[Windows 8 General] inkyadrian:
It is turning into a pad!
[Windows 8 General] LePeR1898:
No its allowing one OS to work on both tablets and PCs.. Which is the whole point of it.. The whole kill two birds with one stone deal

Win8 has a bunch of new performance changes that make it awesome and better.. This is pre beta and its looking good already minus the metroui but you can disable that easily
[Windows 8 General] sand1303:
i just installed it today and i am kinda liking it. the few things that sideway scroll don't bother me i just use my wheel on the mouse and don't even think about it. i guess since it is beta it is very limited compared to what will be on the official release but are the tiles customizable. can i add my own like for firefox instead of ie?
[Windows 8 General] cp_kirkley:
Iplayed with it on a Parallels VM (from a Macbook Pro)

The Metro UI - horizontal scrolling is awesome to me, I am able to scroll sideways with the trackpad of my laptop and with a magic trackpad I have in my office. Makes it much more intuitive then scrolling with a mouse.

Also, I love the direction that Windows is taking, One OS to cover all the bases is a great thing for application developers and opens the door to many things that just arent possible when all off your devices are split into so many different platforms.

Imagine playing Diablo 3 on your Win8 pc, using your Win8 tablet to provide real time inventory tracking and an expanded map view. This is hypothetically possible today, but not without 3rd party tools that are hit and miss depending on what hardware config you have. Win 8 simplifies this task by leaps and bounds.

As much as I love my Macbook (best trackpad in the business, bar none) I am very excited for this.
[Windows 8 General] RoiK8181:
I'm using Win8 DevPreview in a VM and i'm impressed.

I'd never expected an OS on a VM (and it's not even an alpha!!)

to perform with such smoothness!

it's working flawlessly!

the only things which bothers me is the start menu (as everyone) but i think it's just on of the things of getting used to. you can do everything the old start menu did, just different.

:)

I really look forward to the Alpha !
[Windows 8 General] abowlby:
Windows 8 has some improvements to make, but its awesome. The seemless use from desktop to tab is going to be amazing. Some folks don't like change tho...
[Windows 8 General] jerrykur:
I also agree that windows 8 is looking great. However, I have concerns about the dual hardware platform and having to the potential for apps that only run on one hw stack. Hopefully MS will make very easy to port apps.
[Windows 8 General] abowlby:
This is a legit concern of mine as well.
[Windows 8 General] giorgosfil13:
Are people getting stupider or am I mistaken? They are bored to type "youtube.com" or "facebook.com" and in return, they just want a huge UI with tons of "apps". Well we are talking about PCs NOT cell phones. Windows is all about speed and minimalism. This new crap just makes tech-fans feel bad about some developers...
[Windows 8 General] lilvoice32:
might be worth getting then :D
[Windows 8 General] maliedoo:
this always happens...

I remember when people were complaining about Vista, XP, and 7.... you'll just get tired of complaining and use it anyways, or not. It's that simple. Just like people were complaining about the facebook changes so much that it made it on the news, and no one is complaining now. Point is, people are going to complain, but they'll either use it or not. This will happen with almost any releases that have a major change.
[Windows 8 General] Spatnonkl:
wow, what a statement. If you don't like Metro for Desktop (like me) you deactivate it. If you don't know how, use google.

These Versions of win8 are not final, so don't use them as your primary OS.
[Windows 8 General] EndUser2012:
...First thoughts...I dislike the windows phone 7 tile junk... so why would one want to use it on their desktop? That interface reminds me of the movie idiocracy when they guy is trying to get diagnosed in a hospital and the genius on the other side of the counter is pushing smiley symbols...

No use whatsoever for a business, even with the start menu bypass they added .... eww.... this is a bad train-wreck waiting to happen and if this is the future of windows I foresee going full time Linux and only using VM's for running whatever I need.

This reeks of Limburger...
[Windows 8 General] rsx2007:
Who told You that you need to use Metro UI...

Aero UI was transformed to lite-Aero UI which is more optimized and looks like on win7...

So the default layout for desktops is Aero, and also as addon you get tablet Metro UI (incase you want to use win8 on touch desktops).

Win 8 desktop: IMG HERE you think it very different from original win 7 UI????
[Windows 8 General] Wossner:
I just hope that they ll be able to make Metro actually useful also for desktops.

Live tails will be our future, this is out of discussion
[Windows 8 General] atadres:
ok im thinking windows 8 should only be used on touch screen tablet PCs IE asus tablets and acer icona wm500s exd. i literly took my windows 8 dvd that i burned to run all excited to try something new and i broke it in half after trying windows 8 DP the first week it came out! what kinda BS is thiss! also i tried runing games that ran smoothly on my win 7 and they lagged sorry to say this as aa huge fan of microsoft and not much a supporter of apple although the itouch is still an amazing device for a mp3 player i gotta say thisss is horrible

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I have this build as well ! but still with the lagg issues on it its not PC friendly to say the least
[Windows 8 General] HenryJe:
i agree with you, everything can be changed
[Windows 8 General] MintyApple:
yeah, wait for the final build. We'll see how different it is.
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at this point Windows 8 (Developer Preview) is weird and immature as an OS
[Windows 8 General] crazyloco:
Yeah The Ui Doesnt Really Go With Desktops,I Cant Wait to get my Hands on A Tablet Though
[Windows 8 General] Tranpy:
You are not forced to use metro, there is several ways of change back to standard. But then Win8 is made for tablets, not desktops
[Windows 8 General] Dr_Avocado:
So are they not going to have an option for the regular Windows UI? Or is it just like this in the beta?
[Windows 8 General] Award Tour:
Windows 8 + touch display + future consumer kinect + keyboard/mouse or trackpad = desktops wont be the same. It's not that Windows 8 sucks for desktops but that the desktop is evolving. I bought a IPS touch display from dell for $230 and can see the potential even in this super early release.
[Windows 8 General] blueseeker:
No, Metro UI for desktops sucks now and even after 100+ years will suck. Microsoft is following the Apple model to dumb down the user. It's like Launchpad in Lion. Great! Now iphone is coming to desktops.

But, this looks great on tablets! The idea is good, but only if they keep both the classic desktop UI and Metro in the same package, so if I want to transform my tablet into a full fledged PC with keyboard and mouse, I will be able to do so, otherwise this version will be a flop ...

And the effort to operate your desktop LCD monitor with your fingers is a waste of energy. I can't imagine someone doing this for an half of hour browsing the web. Maybe if you only put your monitor horizontally on the desk.
[Windows 8 General] VNavratil:
Metro UI in W8 is saying to me this: "You can do everything you want. Like taking photo, updating fb status, browsing web, playing easy games, checking weather.. But whoops you wanna work with files? U wanna programming? U wanna install photoshop or some kind of real program? You are not allowed to do that!"
[Windows 8 General] Award Tour:
You can still do all of that in Windows 8 so who cares,
[Windows 8 General] jgruberman:
As soon as I saw it, I got turned off by it and how different it was from the rest. Not even an XP -> Vista different, just WAY too different.
[Windows 8 General] cougargt:
Why???

I may only have a quad core 2.83 with 8 gigs and a 4890 running twin wide screens. Well really it's fast as hell. And yes I know it take less to run Win8. But I've yet to tax Win7 64 to its limits. So really 25% less means nothing to me. I've had as many as say 15 windows opened at the same time all running active, all in (almost) full view.

And even with that going on I can get to my most used icons on my desktop.

Why would I want to take the easy accessibility of my desk top icons running in a billion bit color and turn them into what looks like a pile of kids blocks.

I've not only run just about even desktop MS has put out. But also ran a couple few vers of theirs and others dos. And if I want an 8bit UI I'd go back to a 286. Hell I made dos menus that looked better.

No I want to move forward like everyone else. I want easy access to everything (not so much at the tip of my finger on my desk top computer) without digging here scrolling there and hoping I don't click the wrong window this time again. I like being able to move my mouse to the bottom of my screen and going right to the window I want the first time.

Plus I like my desktop wallpapers. I don't want some kid's building blocks in way all the time.

And don't remind me that I can turn them off. Remember the first paragraph? I'm already running Win7 64, why buy it again?
[Windows 8 General] hamada2232313:
yea

its designed for Tablets
[Windows 8 General] jasongw:
Perhaps you don't know much about design. Simple, clean interfaces are not only aesthetically pleasing, they're also efficient and *fast*. We don't need all the glitzy chrome crap and visual effect nonsense that's been ruining UI design for the past 20 years.

Metro is beautiful and incredibly useful, and yes, it's a true revolution in UI design.

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No offense, but if that's truly what you believe, then you don't know the first thing about Windows 8.

The obvious big change is the UI, and it's a massive, massive change in design philosophy not just for the operating system, but how future applications will be designed and built. We're in the transition stage to the next kind of interaction with computers right now, and Windows 8 is part of that. The model is evolving to become more organic, more natural, which translates in human usage to "faster, simpler, more easily understandable."

On a deeper level, the migration of Windows to the ARM platform is more significant than most people seem to realize. That move means Microsoft will finally be shedding *decades* of legacy code and baggage from Windows. It means all existing viruses and malware are useless on that version, essentially resetting the playing field for consumers and malware authors alike.

More than just that, though, Windows moving to ARM means we'll finally see highly secure devices that have great capabilities, use very little power and exist in light, easily usable form factors like the iPad, yet have the capability to dock with other hardware and be used as a full desktop or laptop with even more capabilities.

If you can't see the potential greatness of the direction MS is taking Windows with these very bold moves, then I'm afraid I don't know what to tell you beyond "try opening your eyes and thinking."
[Windows 8 General] colpepe:
Kinect and Desktops. Brilliant!

To open explorer you put your hand to your head like you're shielding your eyes from the sun.

To open Word you act like you're writing a note.

To open IE... you put your fingers to your head in the shape of a gun...

Dont get me started on Media Player *fap fap*
[Windows 8 General] razvanwin95:
from where can i download WINDOWS 8 (PC) ?
[Windows 8 General] blackhand1001:
Coming from someone who thought the changes they made in Vista were actually very good and a huge improvement over XP (I ditched XP), but I am really disappointed in the changes in windows 8 UI wise. The under the hood stuff is interesting as is the ribbon explorer. But the lack of the desktop version rdp client and some settings only being accessable in the Metro UI is what kills it. I used it extensively and the metro UI just does not work on desktops. The best looking interface in my opinion would be windows 7 taskbar with Vista color scheme and explorer. So blacked out taskbar, green command bar in explorer and the split navigation pane back from vista. Also the old classic control panel from vista would be a nice addition. There were some features cut out of explorer in the transition from vista to windows 7 such as disabling autoarrange and sorting options. I don't personally use them but the new folder view system in windows 7 is more cpu intensive during scrolling and lack many features from vista. Both are better than xp though.
[Windows 8 General] odinfire:
Now that sounds exactly like a Microsoft thing to do.
[Windows 8 General] lopilop:
You can always deactivate those toutch funcions.
[Windows 8 General] xbtsw:
I too hoping W8 could support kinect, it's a perfect match since Xbox is designed to have a horizontal UI too.
[Windows 8 General] florirs:
I want to download it and check it once..
[Windows 8 General] qxxx:
I am a (windows) software developer and for me windows 8 seems to be the end... one of my products require multiple windows interaction other software is automating stock applications...

I don't care if there is the option to disable metro, it will be (probably) the default option on every new pc and new windows installation... normal users and also new generations will use metro, most wont disable it... Microsoft is killing years of my software development with this silly metro thing. For me this is the end, I will still use win7 and wait for win9 or something.. if the metro will still be there, i switch to mac.

1945 - Hiroshima

1986 - Chernobyl

2012 - End of the World / Windows 8
[Windows 8 General] Austin Frizzell:
I'm going to install it tomorrow to try it out, but from what I've seen it kind of looks stupid for desktops... it looks like a GREAT tablet or touch screen OS, but it's just not right for desktops.
[Windows 8 General] Coelho_rj:
i dont agree
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Your comparing win8 to an event that killed a dozens an made a lot of land unusable for generations an an event that wiped out tens of thousands and effected many many more after it, I think firstly that's grossly insensitive and secondly very childish. I suppose with that backward way of thinking you also don't like the transition from DOS to GUI? If your incapable of adapting to change then the pc world will be a lot better off without your input. The ability to adapt to change in every aspect of life is a plus point in any work or personal situation.

Rather than adapting to change and making a success out of it Your going to throw in the towel, If i were in your bosses shoes, id be handing you your P45
[Windows 8 General] YoungAceAtlanta:
windows 8 is pretty useless for desktops .. at least the marketing features that comes with it are ... maybe on a touchsmart computer it will be helpful
[Windows 8 General] nitin88g:
judging the product which is not even in beta stage!!!

How fair??? Unlike Apple, Microsoft listens to what people say and change them accordingly
[Windows 8 General] direwolf1:
Well, right now Metro definitely has some issues with it. I don't see a problem with people discussing that--as far as I can tell no one is saying they're going to boycott the OS, just that the interface is somewhat lacking at this stage. Hopefully it will be rectified by the final release.

That said, I don't think major changes are necessary to make things work well on a desktop/laptop/non-touchscreen. For me, the biggest issue is the scroll bar at the bottom--that just seems weird. There should be a way to use the mouse more naturally (i.e. hover near screen edge or use scroll wheel) to scroll through the interface.
[Windows 8 General] JulianoLoren:
I hate Windows 8. When i click Ctrl + F in MetroUI, it not show search interface :confused:
[Windows 8 General] rdbunch:
I agree with OP

I really do not like what I am seeing with Windows 8 when it comes to the UI, very disappointed. I want my desktop, that is where work is done, the glideing metro interface which is obviously similar to the same ones on our windows/android/ios phones, is meant for on the go productivity.

I am definitley sticking with 7, or switching to Ubuntu when 8 comes out, unless the desktop is brought back as the main workflow component.
[Windows 8 General] immewnity:
Just start typing. I do Ctrl+F on my desktop in Windows 7 and nothing comes up. So, there's a plus. Seriously, it's the same as with Windows 7: Start button, start typing.
[Windows 8 General] redviper666:
People are being so ridiculous about the new, what is essentially, start menu. I bet these same people had a hissy fit when Windows 95 came out, when Windows XP came out, when Windows 7 came. Each time MS has changed the UI drastically the result has been excellent. When they haven't made sweeping changes we have had Vista!

I don't think the metro UI is perfect for desktops, but i don't think the current explorer view is perfect for desktops either. I do want the transition between desktop and start screen to be faster. I want real live tiles on the start screen (not the update once every 30 minutes that we have with Windows Phone). I do love the contract based sharing idea and I really really like the split screen multi view.

People who are complaining about how complex applications can't run on metra (qxxx e.g.) are missing the point that they can still write desktop applications. Yes they wouldn't work as well (or at all perhaps) on the touch only tablets. But that doesn't mean the desktop is going away.
[Windows 8 General] explisiv:
I have a touch screen with a custom built tower and six core and 16gb ram, metro UI looked favorable buy using it feels clumsy, and all my applications are gone.
[Windows 8 General] Strike_Eagle:
There is STILL a normal Desktop out there not only the Metro UI. You don't have to live with that.

But i think not many people would buy Windows 8, since Windows 7 is just too good to be replaced by now.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
MICROSOFT FAIL Reply

By the looks of it, Windows Mobile 7 was just "practice" for what had yet to really be Microsoft's Biggest Failure since "Vista".

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[Windows 8 General] Maxime95k:
You can't say it sucks untill the development phases of Windows 8 are ended.

You can't guess what will the OS look like when finished, the current release available from Microsoft isn't ready yet.
[Windows 8 General] kainppc6700:
HOPE OF REPAIR MINIMAL Reply

I'm just saying at this point... I wouldn't stake my life on Windows 8 being good or successful. Do you think if we complain enough they might actually fix it though?

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