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[Windows 8 General] moocow1452:
Did you see Splashtop's VNC for iPad? It had the gestures working for the Desktop version, in real time.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
Multi Mon is a pain, and I think there is enough sensible feedback to warrant ms looking at it, i wouldn't go as far as saying its impossible to use though, just a bit stupid =P
[Windows 8 General] moocow1452:
What's your GFX? Win+P works fine for me.
[Windows 8 General] Tzatlacael:
I'm sure I'm not the first one to come up with.... Perhaps an Aero Theme for the Start screen???

That would make it worth it for Windwos 8 to succeed.

You know it might have started with Windows Mobile, but you can alsone notice it resembles the environment of Media Center.

Now if they took out the lazy colored tiles and put some Aero transparency and glass look. That would make it better.
[Windows 8 General] Zurginator:
I actually think it should go the other way around, and they should put a Metro theme on the desktop.

Then again, maybe I just like it cuz I'm a graphics designer, and it's actually very close to my design style.
[Windows 8 General] el_tiburon:
Hi, my first message!!:) happy to join this forum.

In my opinión, I have been using Windows 8 since devs edition, now using consumer on my hp pavilion dv6535ea 1,8 dual core 2gb ram 150gb hd which came with vista. I upgraded to 7 which was a lot faster and the to 8 and it left :eek::eek:

Fastest Windows versión ive ever tried, i realy noticed as my laptop is not very powerful. But Windows has turned into an android os and for that I would go with android versión for laptops, it would totaly kill Windows if that happens some day.

All this touch thing is going too far, i like touch but only for tablets or mobiles, its like this 3d thing everything in 3d sometimes is better to have 2d but with better resolution , my point is instead of making new kind of os they could improve by making faster and better graphics os. Maybe 128bits instead of 64.

open your mind Windows dont be like android/ be android :D
[Windows 8 General] moutansos:
If you start to set-up metro the right way, and you start to really use it you will find it so much more efficient.

To the horizontal design issue, as long as you have a mouse with a wheel, you can efficiently navagate apps and the start menu.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
multi mon works but is a pain using what you suggested would not fix the issue

metro and desktop should be deployable on any screen and the sweet spots for corner clicking / moving a bit fiddly to get to if you have more desktop off to the corner.

interestingly what does help is to position the second and third monitors slightly higher or lower within windows setup, that allows you mouse to stop at the edge of the primary screen without going to the next display
[Windows 8 General] Liamm:
Classicshell is a must have in Window 8, I still don't mind using the metro start menu from time to time which u can get by ctrl + click classicshell start button.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
What the hell. did you go out of your way to find the oldest thread around just to post that? Its a year old thread.
[Windows 8 General] ktetreault14:
Lol
[Windows 8 General] saadahmeddar:
Is there any way to bring back the start button back cuz its a bit problem for me i used xp,vista & 7 soo i'm addicted to the start button

If anyone knows it then help me out :o

Sent from my HTC Explorer A310e
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Windows+8+Start+Button

Or, you could read 3 posts up where they talk about a replacement, or you could search XDA, or search literally any website with a 'Windows 8' section and find them.
[Windows 8 General] xboxfanj:
Vistart is the best in my opinion.
[Windows 8 General] polfrank:
Vistart is good but Start8 is way cooler, I think you should check it!
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
I just went with learning how to use metro. Took barely 5 minutes.
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
I found startisback.com the best. Real start menu.
[Windows 8 General] the_scotsman:
I don't miss the start menu at all. It's not needed. Metro is an extended start menu. Love Windows 8 on my laptop.
[Windows 8 General] soban_mub:
win xp still stays in my heart cuz of its speed and win7, for its easy to use interface, and win8, for its modern style only
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Pro tip: On a machine with at least two gigs of RAM, and certainly on a machine with a 64-bit capable processor, Win7 or Win8 will almost certainly be faster than XP. XP's design assumes very little RAM usage, and it is extremely inefficient about using large amounts of RAM. If you don't multitask or run any really large programs (almost all modern games would qualify, for example), then XP might be faster (except at things like startup, where it's still dog-slow due to trying to load every service, etc. all at once)... but for normal workloads, it will need to access the disk so frequently due to its poor RAM utilization that its performance will actually be worse than the newer operating systems.

It's also a disaster from a security standpoint; it's missing the last 12 years of system level security enhancements. No low IL sandbox for browsers and such, no ASLR so exploitation is trivial, no UAC so everybody runs as Admin all the time, no next-gen crypto APIs so it still uses really outdated cryptography for most things, no outbound-filtering firewall, still (by default) uses the old and extremely insecure password hashes... XP should never be trusted with any important role, or with an Internet connection for that matter. It's more than a decade old. Let it die.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
All good things must end eventually. And that includes XP.

XP may have been better than vista but I always found 7 to work better than XP anyway. 8 of course opinions are split, I personally like it, others dont.
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
A bit OT, but interesting.

When I used XP at work, I turned off all the disk caching and ran everything from memory. It worked fine, and I tended to keep at least three or four big programs open at any particular time. I always keep up with the changes, so I have had Vista, Win 7, and now Win 8 (on one machine), but I still have a single Windows XP machine at home; it has installed games that my son likes to play (and we no longer have the disks). Plus, some of my clients are still running XP.

It has been a challenge to keep it running fast enough, since XP in particular likes to slow down over time unless strictly cleaned up periodically.
[Windows 8 General] RobbieRobski:
I installed 8 on my laptop using in place upgrade from 7. I mostly ingnore the start screen because on my laptop I'm mostly using naitive apps.

But I think the modern ui is pretty cool. And I'm using my surface RT as go to device for browsing the web/reading/goofing off. I've even used the jail break to install certain programs on the desktop and that works pretty decent too, but I know thats off topic.

Anyway, just my 2 cents that I like the new ui. I sort of understand some peoples complaints but its not a big deal in my book.

Before you would hit windows key and you could start typing to find a program, now to do the same its windows + Q. I wouldn't consider that a hassle.
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
You actually don't need to use Win+Q (shortcut for the Search charm) from the desktop; just hit Win and type (same as before); typing on the Start screen automatically goes into search.

@stevedebi: If you had enough RAM (most machines didn't) you could indeed get decent performance by turning off paging to disk in XP. However, you ran the risk of programs crashing on out-of-memory conditions, especially if multitasking. Unless you have at least ~2200 MB of physical RAM, even a single program can exhaust all of it (that's reserving only a very small amount for the kernel and assuming no background processes) and most programs don't handle out-of-memory gracefully; short of hitting the 2GB address space limit, out-of-memory should almost never really happen because the OS can always provide more virtual memory (unless it's turned off).
[Windows 8 General] Tel864:
You would probably be in the minority from what I've seen. It wasn't designed for non-touchscreen machines and it sucks on desktops.

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[Windows 8 General] netham45:
Almost everybody who I've heard cry about metro hasn't sat down and used the OS long enough to be comfortable with it. I've drilled 5 or 6 people on the subject and all of them either tried out the OS at a Best Buy or saw it on a friends computer or read a review then started preaching against it, none of them actually tried it for more than 5 minutes. The new start menu, while pointless IMO, doesn't represent any loss in productivity or functionality like the extremely vocal naysayers would have you believe.
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I own it on an ultra book, and the OS is not optimized for desktop use. If they don't provide full office functionality on the metro side, then one is forced to the desktop, which works better Win 7, in my opinion, unless one kludges a solution to create a start menu.
[Windows 8 General] nikctsh:
I love my windows 8, I love the metro UI. Metro UI is the next generation UI and scroll horizontally doesn't cause me any trouble. Nothing stop you from scrolling vertically, you still scroll vertical in webpages and to see through lists, just feel kinda weird when you are comparing a feature that ain't found in previous windows version with windows 7.
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
I tried it for some several days. Its just a horrible mess.

Wish there was a decent Office product for Linux.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
Libre Office
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
Someone close this thread... This is some extreme necroposting, and a useless unproductive thread besides.

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[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I respectfully disagree. I find other's opinions of Windows 8 as a desktop platform to be interesting.
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
The opinions laid out in this thread are from before Windows 8 was even in the release preview stage, they're old and outdated.
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I find it interesting to compare the earlier stuff with my own opinions of the released version.
[Windows 8 General] link68759:
You can do that without posting.

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[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
Yes, but I'm responding to the folks who think the thread has no purpose.

Incidentally, I think Windows 8 is not really all that good for desktops, in that it really represents only minimal improvements to desktop applications over Win 7. If all the apps were metro - or whatever one calls it - I would probably feel differently. For desktop users, I don't see a lot of advantages over Win 7. I'm using it on a convertable, and Windows 8 is useful in tablet mode.
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
I said decent :P
[Windows 8 General] segads:
For games is the worst men dll missing in a lot of games such a nightmare windows 7 runs all games without problem
[Windows 8 General] androidjel:
I had the same problem needed to install several games again.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
that's just obvious. Many games were broken in the same way going from 2000 to XP, XP to vista and vista to 7. Why would 8 be different.
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
In-place upgrades are always a terrible idea. Clean install will save you time in the long run, and you'll have less frustration with bugs too...
[Windows 8 General] plznote:
Clean install is the way to go. Every game I own on Steam(300+) work fine on my Win8 machine.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
Some of my steam library broke but it was easy to fix.

Skyrim and RAGE I have to go properties > local files > verify integrity of local game cache where it decided that about half a gb of content each was broken and redownloaded it. Then it insisted on doing the first time running thing where it seeks out directX updates etc and then ran them perfectly. At least neither one of them was a full redownload.

Portal 2, that I did have to do a complete reinstall.

I think those were the main 3 that broke.
[Windows 8 General] tonyeltigre:
Windows 8 Metro UI does in fact suck, the entire design of Windows 8 seems broken and disjointed with the need to jump from desktop mode to metro mode constantly. The entire UI gives the feel that the OS is not working as intended, like you should be able to disable metro and use it in a more efficient manner but the setting somehow fell off the truck.

This isn't at all surprising as I own a Lumia 920 which also has a poorly designed version of Windows 8 (but awesome hardware) that sacrifices basic functionality with no real trade off.

(and feel free to rage about people continuing a conversation from an old thread)
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
It doesn't in fact suck

Its not broken and disjointed

You don't have to jump to metro an back any more than you'd normally click no the start button

It is working exactly As they intended

It is actually very efficient if you use it correctly

Nothing fell of a truck

Wp8 is not a poorly designed windows 8, wp came first

Wp hasn't essentially changed

All this means the only thing you have actually confirmed for us and backed up with some actual real fact and informed opinion is that you you have a terrible nack of buying things you should know you won't actually like... not a good trait to have I'm afraid

Non ones going to argue about continuing this thread but at least back up your argument with some substance, something objective
[Windows 8 General] funkyblue04:
It's horrible. Not well thought out. Very few people like it.
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
[Citation Needed]
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
Sorry, I agree with the former post. Win 8 was simply not thought out well. It has some improvements in security, but basically I think MS just wanted to get something out for the tablet world. As a desktop OS it is not integrated; it just isn't a complete package in use. I have it on my ultra portable. It is a divided system, with part in the new interface and part in the old interface. For strictly desktop use, I don't think it brings anything significant to the table as an improvement. Maybe in time it will have enough applications on the Win 8 side, but I'm not sure there is any point - the desktop side is meant for larger screens, and the "metro" side is meant for tablets. But a pure desktop machine has no need for a tablet interface.

Just my opinion based on my Windows 8 use.
[Windows 8 General] tonyeltigre:
Anyone claiming that metro is nothing more than Win8's version of the start button is feigning ignorance to bolster their argument. Launchers (the start button) don't force you into a locked full screen email app, web browsers, messaging app, store. The entire metro environment is clearly a UI intended to be used by a touch screen device and it has no place in a non touch based workflow, it just lacks the efficiency of desktop mode. I'm willing to applaud a company for trying something new if is truly a step forward but metro on anything but a touch device is a lateral step at best and most agree it's a leap backwards. Hey look I got a message on MSN, FULL SCREEN MESSENGER WINDOWS HERE WE GOOOOoooooo......

Windows 8's use of essentially 2 ui's is disjointed and poorly thought out. Let us go into the world of fantasy and in this world I world pretend that windows 8 metro is useful, efficient, and functional environment to work in. Oh wait, now I'm constantly being forced into desktop mode, change a setting, use a non store app bump to the desktop. Why can't the workflow stay in 1 ui or the other? What's the point of creating a new workflow that forces you out of the environment for menial task. How can you design something so poorly that you need 2 versions of IE (metro and desktop version) to make it functional?

I work in the tech industry and my MS rep gave me Windows 8.

Windows phone is entirely different story for an entirely different forum, let's just say I never expected to have a phone that couldn't send a pdf in an email, change notification tones or have music transferred to it without duping tracks (all things windows phone 7 could do).

edit: the good news is boot and wake time is pretty awesome on windows 8
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
Or, you know, either don't use the built in (and ****ty) messenger app - Pidgin, Miranda, etc. all work fine on Win8 (Miranda even works fine on RT) - or snap the messenger app to the side of the desktop, which actually makes for a very good UI. The Skype app is good enough that I use it, but never full-screen; it snaps very well.

Aside from a few seconds total in the Start screen, the mail app (which I would have full-screened anyhow, and which I'm slowly getting sufficiently annoyed with to replace with Outlook anyhow), and the occasional game (where full screen in Metro is almost indistinguishable from any other full-screen game), I basically don't use Metro at all on my desktop, despite it running Win8. I haven't installed any Start replacers or anything. I just don't see value in the Metro apps. I used Steam Tile (a Metro app) to pin my Steam games in a prettier way than my other games, and used OblyTile for some of the rest, but it really doesn't matter; I launch programs by keyboard so there's no time to appreciate pretty tiles anyhow.

What there *is* time to appreciate is the better Task Manager, the addition of Hyper-V, in-box support for ISO mounting, and useful stuff like that... all of which is on the desktop. Don't get me wrong, I think Metro is crap; I just don't get why people apparently think they have to use it. The legacy functionality is still there, along with a bunch of enhancements and new functionality too.
[Windows 8 General] tonyeltigre:
I don't use it at all now, Classic shell really did a good job to fix metro. My main issue with win8 is that it just feels like metro should be something you can disable (and save resources) out of the box, not hide with 3rd part apps.

The Task Manager is awesome and like I said, sleep mode and boot times are incredible on an SSD
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I agree with your assessment, but I found that classic shell was so easy to install and makes for a simple transition from Window 8. Mine starts up on the desktop.
[Windows 8 General] dazza9075:
There are valid arguments against metro and win 8, but I've still not read any in the last couple of posts.

For example, Don't think of metro as anything other than a very informative start menu, you open it to browse informative tiles and run programs, do this and you will find it a huge improvement over the old start menu.

As to problems, I've found most apps are crap, but then I've found most apps on any platform are ****e compared to proper desktop programs, I don't like running full screen small apps I find it slow and inefficient, clumsy and a little frustrating flicking between several, both in tablet or on a desktop

If your going to moan about it, at least try and remain objective

That is one example of a issues with some bases behind it

As to being deluded as some have said on here for stating the start menu reason for using win8, I've also never said I love metro, but if you actually put it to work for you then you will gain from it as a fully functional advanced menu, nothing else has changed so quit your whining, don't download any apps and use desktop programs of which you will find millions to choose from, including free or paid for mail clients, replacing the need for the metro app you so dislike
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I find a replacement start menu that mimics Windows 7 to be superior to the metro start interface. I generally use icons to launch programs from my desktop anyway, and have ever since Windows XP. I don't use the start menu on Windows 7 more than once or twice a week anyway. But I use the metro start tiles even less. I only go over there to change system settings that are not easy to get at on my Windows 8 machine. (they are not east to get at because MS made them that way in this new OS - they were fairly simply to operate in Windows 7.)

I'm not whining, just observing that Windows 8 is not an efficient desktop interface.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
system settings are dead easy to get at, no idea wtf you are on about.

Move your cursor to the bottom left of the screen so the start hotspot appears, right click it, control panel is on there already. That took a quick mouse movement, a right click and a left click.

Or press the windows key to hop over to the start screen, start typing any phrase and search automatically pops up, just start typing control and it will list control panel immediately. So that's 1 key press, a few more keys to type, 1 click.

Or open the charms bar. Click settings. Control panel.

All 3 of those were rocket science and made it incredibly difficult to open control panel. It was also completely unintuitive to assume that it would list control panel in search (if you count that search is also on the charm bar that's a 4th method).

5th method still. I have a group of start tiles for system maintenance, one of those is control panel.

The first method is no harder than windows 7. The others are just obvious.
[Windows 8 General] GoodDayToDie:
I actually pinned the Control Panel to the Taskbar on my Surface RT, and am considering doing so elsewhere. It's a dead-easy way to get to my most commonly used items, because they appear in the Jump List.
[Windows 8 General] netham45:
Honestly, when I first tried Windows 8 (way back in the Developer Preview) my reaction was similar, "wtf is this Metro crap, it makes the workflow broken and sporadic." But, unlike the people who seem to be *****ing about it, I kept using it and adjusted my workflow for it and found that I'm generally faster with it and that it's in no way impeding anything I normally do.

That being said, there aren't very many good Metro apps yet. The only ones I really use at all are Mail on my RT and a couple games.
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
I am aware of the various capabilities that you mention. I stand by my post, at least for the implementation of my U925T. I don't know how much it was customized. Unless you have my particular machine, I suppose it is you who do not know what I'm talking about.

I don't need lessons on how to control or use Windows 8, I have explored it and stand by my former posts: it is not the best for desktop computing.

EDIT: I'm not suggesting that you and others have to agree with my opinion, and maybe you like those features in Windows 8 that have nothing to do with desktop programs, and IMHO have no place on a desktop machine.
[Windows 8 General] SixSixSevenSeven:
Your u925t isn't customised. Its running the standard windows 8 we all have so yes I do know what I am talking about. Nothing changes the fact that it is dead easy to get at your settings.

Besides, classic menu whatever its called. Or start8. Personally I did the same as netham and "learnt" to use start. I say learnt, it took less than 5 minutes. Hell Microsoft have tons of videos if you need them.
[Windows 8 General] stevedebi:
Let's try it another way. What benefit does the "metro" side of Windows 8 have for a desktop user?

EDIT: Note that the u925 is a convertible, and I use the "metro" interface all the time when in tablet mode. I'm just discussing the Windows 8 as a desktop platform.