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[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Sprinkster:
someone answer this, quick theory

THEORY BRAINSTORMING... LETS SEE..

okay so i bought this phone epic touch 4g under letstalk.coms promotion...

so they offer a 30 days back RETURN /EXCHANGE POLICY

LetsTalk.com Exchange Policy

If you are not deactivating your line of service and are simply exchanging your device, you have up to 30 days to return your original device to us.

To process an exchange, please contact our Customer Service department at 1-888-848-4792 within 14 days of activation to request a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) number. You may also request an RMA online through our Order Status or Customer Service page

OKAY SO... if they activated my phone on the 21st , i would have up to till oct 5th (2 weeks=14 days) to contact them to SCHEDULE AND RMA.. and another 14-15 more days to actually get it back to them by the 30 day window correct?

which would be oct 18-20th it would have to be out to them..

which is about a week and change after sprints big announcement.. so TECHNICALLY.. im in the clear either way i slice it....

SO OCT 4TH, I START AN RMA. (Assuming theres no solid info on our phone supporting the new REV B)

if oct 7th sprint says they are doing rev B and epic touch 4g doesnt support.. i follow through with the RMA, and if they say epic touch 4g DOES support it i cancel the RMA, and keep the phone instead of exchanging it for the photon, which will be the same deal

SOUND ABOUT RIGHT?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] lse4:
I think everyone should return there phones now So I can be the only one left with the best phone out right now. If it does have it or if it doesn't have it I'll still b keeping this phone cause it's the best phone I ever owned
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
They may closely follow it, but why would Sprint/Samsung care if we're asking whether the phone has Rev B capability if they have no plans to announce a Rev B network on the 7th? That's just a rumor.

Also, regarding your point on the Evo3D bootloader fiasco, HTC received tens of thousands of posts on their facebook page when the locked bootloader was discovered. In a few hours. Here, we have 20 pages of XDA members talking to each other over the course of days about whether the phone has Rev B capabilities. You may think you're owed an answer, but it takes time for something like this to percolate up the chain of command high enough for someone who has the authority to make an announcement to do so, unless it could possibly be a huge fiasco, like the aforementioned Evo3D deal.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] smark72:
Sprint will most likely be using 1x advanced for upgrading the 3g, not rev b.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] craigbailey1986:
I have this page stickied... for amusement... I was wondering for those who said they bought this on the assumption it would support rev. b, who told you it would when you bought it?? Just wondering. And since no one has announced rev.b support where did this idea come from?

I came to the conclusion that if it works it works if not then it will be less people on rev a and I will get better speed from reduced traffic...
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] strung:
I highly doubt Rev B will be rolled out. Rev B is only 1.9 Mbp/s maximum faster than Rev A in the normal (no extra carriers bonded) mode. And that's just burst speed, not average speed!

Right now Rev A isn't even being maxed out at it's burst rate of 3.1 Mbps. The upcoming tower improvements should help with that.

It seems that Rev B gets its higher speeds by bonding multiple carriers (channels) together, but doing that should in theory reduce CDMA capacity. Probably why Verizon and Sprint have not implemented yet as it's supposedly just a software update on the tower-end.

4G LTE and Wimax are much less expensive per bit which is why we'll see it rolled out on the 800 and 1900 mHz bands.

I do hope to see 1x Advanced rolled out and on the 800 mHz band.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1BadHEMI:
Not a damn thing! Like I said in my post above, even if they were to go to Rev B, it will be months, if not a year before it is implemented. At that time, most of us will be ready for upgrades. The SIII has been leaked, and once again, Samsung has another power house lurking. For now, enjoy the best phone thats available NOW, and forget about what ifs. For what the EpTouch brings to the table, its gonna be a while before it gets dethrowned by another dual core phone. All the positives this phone brings, far outweigh the negatives.

Sprint is aware of the data issues it is facing, and is looking to the future. Network Vision is the start. I for one believe they will go 1x Advance before going to Rev B. Guess we'll find out in 2 weeks, what the network plans are. Until then, speculation on anyones part is just that. Enjoy the best phone out there! If you don't like it, return it, and go buy the SII on AT&T. It'll be out next weekend, and then you can all go complain how your data is capped and you are getting raped by the prices!

And being that this is a pure speculation useless thread, I read from a reliable source that the Droid Prime is going to be a 4G LTE only device, with no backwards capability for 3G. It will use a 1300 mA battery with its 4.7" qHD display, leaving you with just about 23 minutes of battery life to actually use your device. I also read that the iPhone 5 actually stands for a 5" IPS display :rolleyes:

What he said!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rdcrds:
LOL the Trol threads of all Troll threads for the epic touch right here lol you guys are too funny.

11 year customer with sprint and like 99% of all others who bought this phone i bought it because of what it has RIGHT NOW not what it will or won't have down the road.Heck who knows what phone comes out in a year.

The thing is there are trolls and people who own htc phones and people who like to stir things up.This thread is just that.Ill bet you 99% of the people who ordered this phone as they ordered it gave no thought about revb.Heck i had not even heard about it till after.The thing is this WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] gaspowered1:
+1

Cheers..
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Rattor:
@bitbang3r

I think the Droid Prime LTE only thing was a sarcastic comment/joke.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I'm going to assume that you mean "if you think the lack of rev.b isn't a big deal, don't kid yourself..."

Yeah, I'm trying to rationalize it.

Up front is easy. This infrastructure will take time to roll out everywhere, even if they are starting now. That makes me feel a little more rational for not caring...or it rationalizes me not caring. In the short term that's fine.

in 6 months from now when people with Photons and Evo3D's start reporting "wow, I'm glad I stayed with Sprint, boy is this fast and unlimited w00t" it'll sting a little more, but won't be so bad.

But in 9 months when there is constant advertising for new devices that I won't be able to upgrade to for OVER ONE AND A QUARTER YEARS it will sting like a *****. Sure, new devices always come out...but that's fine--UNTIL there is a major upgrade.

Myself? I plan on getting the Prime as soon as it comes out on Sprint, I got the BestBuy buyback program. That's $350 credit towards it, it'll only be $250-$350 (depending on BestBuy's price...likely $700) on launch. That will definitely come loaded with any current and expected radios as necessary. Google doesn't fnck around with the Nexus devices.

But, yeah, you have a great point. If it isn't software upgrade-able (and it probably isn't) This is going to be a very bitter 2 years for a lot of people. Smokin' fast phone with a lagging legacy data connection that everyone else on Sprint (some with older phones even,) is enjoying because of how fast it is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rdcrds:
Would love to have some of the stuff you guys are smoking since in fact if you read the REAL FORUMS on this you will find out about revb and what it is and when.Heck it is not going to be anywhere around this year at all.

A bitter pill for 2 years???? i have to lol at that comment what are you smoking? who keeps phones for 2 years anymore? really are you that much of a noob?

Ok paid $79.00 for the phone after upgrade and cashback from add it up via wirefly.Keep it 6 months.Then if a good better phone is out sell the ET4G ON cl OR EBAY FOR $250-300 AND yes you will get it if kept mint.

SO LETS SEE NEW PHONE COMES OUT sells on ebay new never opened for $400 to $425 sold ET4G for $300 who hooo paid the upgrade price for it.Done this time and time again.

If you have a bitterness with this phone then go away it is a great phone and you have no clue what you are talking about.

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HEY Novel idea sell the evo touch 4g on ebay for $250-300 get said new phone for $150 more wow really hard oh yea you a noob forgot.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bitbang3r:
You're assuming that the lack of rev.B won't devastate the E4gT's resale value 12 months from now.

Think data speeds don't matter? Check out the price of a used 6-month old Kyocera Echo on eBay. Beautiful phone, slow data, commercially dead on arrival.

I just hope Samsung is taking notes, and doesn't use the same non-rev.B chip in the Nexus Prime. THAT would be the kind of screw-up that would get people to leave Sprint outright in disgust. Screwing up the E4gT can be almost excused as a careless accident. Do it again 3-6 months from now for the Nexus Prime, and it's an intentional and unforgivable business decision.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I'm sure Google would have quite a bit to say about that, so, I'm not too terribly worried.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] bondosho:
Funny how people are complaining about a supposed rumor. Sprint never said a word about rev b, and all this is heresay. I only see them talking about better recepetion, and consolidation. Honestly though, do you really need that kind of speed on your phone? What do you do to warrant that kind of speeds? Unless you say tons of tethering, running an FTP server, or downloading every movie in history, there is no reason to have those kinds of speeds. Besides, more speed seems to mean more battery suck. Anyway, go ahead and keep complaining about some rumor. LOL.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] HondaCop:
I literally threw up in my mouth. Whatever it is you are smoking, must not be legal.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic Touch 4G WTF BBQ
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] cordell12:
LMAO same here!!!

that reminds me on my kids nintendo DSi
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] mikey80021:
This +1
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] eagercrow:
Like they did with the antenna in my Nexus s 4g?

I LOVED that phone, but it was a joke.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wiley_11:
I still find it hard to believe Google would put their name on that POS. :confused:
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1BadHEMI:
First and foremost, what I said about the Prime was all a joke. But just like this thread, because you read it, it must be true! Thats the point I was getting at. Everyone keeps saying that Sprint is going to deploy Rev B, but in truth, WITH ALL THE NETWORK VISION LITERATURE THAT IS AVAILABLE TODAY, THERE IS NO MENTION OF REV B. MULTIMODE YES. HERE IS A DIRECT POST FROM SPRINT ON NETWORK VISION:

http://newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19

Please do tell me where it states Rev B support. Just because the Photon and EVO 3D have a chip that supports Rev B, doesn't mean Sprint is going to Rev B. They are transitioning to 800 mHz spectrum, which will carry further and penetrate deeper. The new cell sites will be a lower cost to maintain and deploy compared to the conventional cell sites of today. So now I guess all the Photon owners are going to be pissed because Motorola didn't implement the 800 mHz spectrum on the Photon. Clearly this phone will be left in the dust! Remember, you read that here, so it must be true, so go flame the Photon forums now...

Yes, just as was the iPhone 5 comment on having a 5" IPS display!

You know, we aren't in the 90's anymore where technology costs an arm and a leg. If you really want the latest and greatest, outright pricing is really reasonable these days. Not to long ago when Windows Mobile was first launched, I remember buying a Verizon branded WinMo handset that even on contract pricing cost me $500! That was with signing a new 2 year agreement, and the phone was the biggest POS! For the most tech savy person, most don't keep there current phone for the full 2 years. They will sell there device, and move on. However, since there is NO indication Sprint is launching a Rev B network, but moving spectrum to there already owned 800 mHz spectrum that they already own and the EVO 3D and Eptouch can utilize, we should all be happy! However, I guess we could all be upset if they tell us they are going to utilize voice/data at the same time on 1x Advance, which neither the 3D or EpTouch support! Get the torches ready, lets burn em :D

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Isn't that the truth! I was so excited last Monday when I surprised my Wife at work with her new EpTouch! I literally almost through her 4G across the hosiptal where she works when she gave it to me! I have never heard her complain so much about a phone. God forbid it would lose a signal, cause you had to pull the battery just to get the phone a signal again. POS!!! Yeah the phone was speedy, but the god awful antenna design was a joke! went through 3 exchanges and all 3 were craptastic!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
I am now fine with a stronger and more stable signal much like vz in my neck of the country
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
To be fair that phone was fantastic in all but radio. However in actual day-to-day performance it was hands down better than my 3 EVO 3D's I went through, meter be damned.

While the ET4G is a bit better, meter wise and performance wise (for certain) than the NS4G none of these phones holds a candle to my Hero and especially my EVO4G.

Perhaps these phones have all been 'in preparation' for whatever the hell is about to come.

I used to have a theory it was to reduce measurable radiation after last years list of the top radiating phones. If I recall correctly the lowest 20 were nearly all Samsung's, while Motorola was 4 out of the top 5...RIM was up there too.

Now,do I think this radiation is actually bad? Not really, I don't talk on my phone enough to worry...but some may...maybe...in extreme cases.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wiley_11:
It's either that or they have come to the conclusion they can sell whatever crap they want and what are *they* going to do about it. Hopefully we'll all be pleasantly surprised on Oct 7th. :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I hope. Unfortunately I'm more inclined to agree with your initial sentiment.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wiley_11:
This was just posted in the Sprint Comm. Forums by RC1024(Sprint guy?) post 37

JayWill7211, the QSC6085 is not capable of anything above Rev A., however it will work on a rev B. network, and will experience improvements in data speed & call viability because of significant increases in capacity. Apart from that, we have made no announcements that we plan to upgrade our network to Rev B. it will be announced in newsroom.sprint.com first if it is in the works.

http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/339923?tstart=0#339923
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
The old "backwards compatible with the new technology" argument. The premise being that if the underlying infrastructure is better (and serving better equipped devices more efficiently) then you will reap some (ostensible) benefit.

Like playing a PS1 game on your PS2 would somehow make the game better because the hardware can handle it better(!?)....except for one difference, if you are in a congested area the Rev.B devices will be served by a different spectrum thus freeing up your (obsolete) spectrum by the very act of them not being there....and (the backhaul for you will be freed up by them) being served faster.

It's a backpedal with a hint of 'meat' to it, but, perhaps like the Epic, even though it's the superior (hardware wise) device this is still not Sprint's flagship device.

...have you tried to find a case for your ET4G in a store? There are walls and walls of cases for E3D's in bestbuy and Sprint and Radioshack, but, not a single case anywhere except for the 2 bull**** ones at Sprint stores....YMMV, of course.

(thank god online is a different world)
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wiley_11:
Personally I only see two options. progress or regress and I don't think they would want to go backwards. I'm thinking we're in the *growing pains* stage at the moment. :eek: ltm ltm
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
I agree 100%...but I'm also very cynical.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] rdcrds:
can i ask1 question? HOW THE HECK LONG HAS THE EVO 3D BEEN OUT?????????????????????????? CHECK EBAY THERE ARE TONS ON THERE AS WELL AS A ZAGG FULL BODY OUT.THIS PHONE HAS BEEN OUT A FREKEN WEEK!

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oh yeah the evo 3d has been out 2 months now hmmmm epic touch 4g a week gezz i wonder why there are more cases out for the evo 3d man i can't think of a reason why hmmm why? idiot!~
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] comeatmebro:
hey have you tried to find a evo3d for sale? oh yea they're all over craigslist and ebay because people are trying to make money to buy the et4g.

oh and the fact that they don't even sell for 30-50% of the retail value, while the et4g sells for full retail value, even when its used.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
As a dedicated phone geek I have seen these walls for weeks before the E3D release until now...nothing has changed. Your argument is moot. (Limited by region...different stores will likely get different stock at different times)

The E3D cases that populate these racks were there on release day...The same goes for the E4G....I was there bro...I've been an HTC head ever since the Moment was, well, the Moment to me.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DammitCubs:
according to 5 people that call samsung directly to ask if the device has REV B. Every representative, went to verify the REV B support and indeed they said the EPIC 4G touch does indeed have REV B support through an over the air update.

That would imply that I Fix it got the wrong model number.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1BadHEMI:
You forget 1 thing though... The EVO 3D was announced in March. It gave manufactures 3 months to prepare for the launch. In comparison, the EpTouch was announced 2 weeks prior to launch. Don't you remember all the bickering in the EVO 3D forums begging for a launch date?
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Dchibro:
Heh funny. I'm JayWill7211. Well I guess that settles it on the chip. I am wondering though why he bothered to explain that a Rev. A device will still see improvements on a Rev. B network. I think many knew that already, and it wasn't the point. It's almost as if he's trying to soften a possible blow to the head.

Still, it would make no sense for Sprint to announce a Rev. B upgrade anywhere near releasing a device that doesn't fully take advantage of it. Right? Hmmm ... right.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] daneurysm:
Doubtful. This has been covered in other threads. It's unfortunate. There is still the very limited possibility that it is software update-able...there are only so many frequencies. Even though this chip is 5 years old we already knew about these frequencies...and there is a RTOS controlling the chips that might only need to be told to look that the different frequences...but, the more I think about it the more I realize that there are different amplitude-modulation schemes out there that are far less likely to be a software update away from utopia...

The difference between a 486DX/33 and a 486DX2/66 comes to mind...QAM also comes to mind.

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the SGS2 bound for every carrier was known at that time though not officially announced....the fact that every carrier got it likely aided in the delay and the fact that every carrier got a (significantly) physically different version also aided in that....even though the Sensation is nearly identical to the E3D physically they are WAY different...case wise.

But it's a week in and even my Sprint corp store has no idea when they will get anything in for any class of accessories...I checked just today and they commented on how extremely unusual this is.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] DammitCubs:
If sprint doesn't have this phone support rev b nor any other previous phones in the last 4 months then they are just stupid.

It's like ATT rolling out LTE in a way that rivals verizon (i laugh at that). and the all their phones are only 3g.

Dan Henessey or whatever better get his ass on this or else!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] willysp:
Huh ?!?!?

It's quite clear that the EVO 3D and Photon DO support Rev B.

The physical evidence (teardown and 5-year-old datasheets) imply that the Samsung doesn't. I have no doubt that a Rev A radio would work on a Rev B network - and perhaps better if the carrier allocates more bandwidth.
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] Wiley_11:
Small world. lol lol I'm just Google'n around trying to find stuff on Network Vision/EVDO Rev B. I thought somebody that's working on this stuff would spill the beans by now. If I find anything of interest I'll post over here, even though I have a stinkin Evo 3D(love it btw). :D
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] 1BadHEMI:
Great! So on the magic day that Network Vision is announced, the EVO 3D crowd will be happy cause there phones will support the 800 MHz spectrum and the Photon crowd will be crying wolf cause theres doesn't. So then we can move this useless thread to the Photon forums! Oh, and the EpTouch crowd will be happy as well as it supports the new upcoming spectrum as well. :D

I really wish you people would stop with the whole Rev B is coming! If in fact you really think that is the Oct 7th announcement, you are all going to be really disappointed! In the mean while, if you have your EpTouch, enjoy the fastest phone available, with the best features and best battery life!
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] churro7:
i got me a two tone from ebay see how it comes out
[Samsung Epic 4G Touch] tbhausen:
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...Mobile-Phones/ci.MOTOROLA-PHOTON-4G-US-EN.alt

http://m.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SPH-D710ZKASPR#specs