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[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
Android is sooooo Windows Mobile. I bet all of you android users have hard-reset their devices a million times, just like the days of windows mobile.

Of course there is a lot more you can do with a fragmented operating system thats like in its alpha stages, but I would prefer quality over quantity.

Yes, you can get badass hardware on android devices, but thats because android is a resource hog just like windows vista.

Microsoft: been there, done that. Google: still going through it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'm going by what a lot of people have been saying from the beginning, that WP7 doesn't currently have the APIs to run voice-guided navigation apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Those cheaper and free options are all terrible. Some of them don't even run under lock screen, and some of them don't even prevent the phone from locking while you're using them.

On Android there's even more options. Google Maps, TeleNav has a quasi-Free option, MapQuest, Bing (no Voice Guidance), Garmin, Navigon, etc.

Bing maps is really good, esp. if you live in the US. The map tiles load fast as hell. It's really accurate at tracking you. But Navigation in either NoDo or Mango is terrible and this is not a feature that people expect to pay premium prices for these days. Every other major platform comes with decent TBT for free now. It's a strike to many users, obviously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
They're wrong, it does. The issue I think is the local maps. Garmin uses data. Navigon has local maps, but wasn't in the market till Mango. Only one Carrier had it & Carrier/OEM apps can use native code.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I've only hard reset my device after a FW update, and I'd do that on any device because third party apps are third party apps and they tend to have issues especially after major upgrades, like going from Eclaire to FroYo.

But that's not an issue on Android, because you can just install all your apps over the air from the Andorid Market Website. All the apps you're ever installed are listed under your account and you simply go through and click a button to push it to our phone again.

It's not hard.

I don't hack or tinker with my phones - any of them. Not even my HD2 I did that with. I use them stock - always.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I'm not argueing how good it is or price, he simply stated it doesn't exist. I used Navigon Select found here on XDA & it works great, although Bing Maps is faster & better for finding your location. Just lacks the VGN.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
NoDo doesn't, and even if Mango does they dropped the ball because the Bing Navigation in it is a bit of a joke, especially if you'd expect someone to use that while driving...

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Oh you pirated an app, so all is well...

I get it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
This must be like 100th time i am posting this video here, there ARE hardcore games in android, their ARE games like COD in android.. here is the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMMPDSkk7Ao
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Tell me exactly how did you install that XDA app without going to the Marketplace? If you are running an unlocked WP7 device, I made the point of saying non-hacked devices can't use the voice-guided abilities of the various navigation apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
It's not pirated, it's from XDA & is a free Carrier app. Remember, XDA doesn't allow Wares aka Pirated stuff.

NoDo doesn't what? Support VGN? It does, Garmin, see previous posts, SMH... Yes, Bing Maps Mango VGN is rather lame, but due to licensing agreement. So, out of MS's hands.

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Navigon Select is sideloaded via Unlock. It also isn't hacked, I have an official AppHub account with official Unlock. Got Mango Beta the legal way & went back to NoDo because of Homebrew blocks. Garmin isn't, don't twist my words...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The Carriers license the app to go on phones they sell.

Distributing it is piracy.

It's like saying giving away a Windows License that's tied to an OEM computer you bought is legit.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Are you even thinking about this?

Unless they have a document form the Carrier or Developers stating it's okay to distribute it, then it's legit.

Some Dell Android phones came with IIRC RoadSync or TouchDown (forget which), a paid app from the Marketplace. Is it okay to rip it out and distribute it for free just cause it was a free OEM app on the Dell phone? No.

No one is stupid. We're all aware lots of piracy goes on here, even though it's against the rules. Lots of people turn a blind eye to it, especially people like you who like to benefit from it.

EDIT: In fact, there are lots of instances in this forum where OEM apps were ripped out so people can pirate them and install htem on phones they weren't intended to be installed on. I think the HTC YouTube App was very popular early on, but I may be mistaken on specifics since I can't be bothered to go back and look at the moment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not trying to twist your words. You seem to be trying to fudge your words, though. I'm speaking only of official WP7 phones...the non-hacked variety...and you bring up apps that require a WP7 user to hack his/her WP7 phone to use.

Keep it strictly about what a person gets when they go to a store and buy a WP7 phone. They can't install that XDA nav app on the phone they just bought from the store. They'd have to go through a whole painfully difficult process of hacking open their WP7 phone to use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Technically, you are right. It's a gray area, but XDA doesn't allow Wares aka Pirated Stuff & it's found here on XDA. BTW, it's not the App that's licensed, it's the maps. I own the Android Maps I'm using on WP7 & therefore have the license to use them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
Dude you haven't got a clue.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I was not mentioning Navigon Select as a NoDo app in the Market. I did say it was a Mango app. I only stated I use it. How is that hard or fudged? Maybe you just lost track. I said Garmin Streetpilot is NoDo, but it doesn't have local Maps which is probably why Navigon is Mango only, it has local maps.

Anyway, I'm done & out. I think I've gotten my point across & if I didn't than I never will...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The correct iteration is: Dude, you don't have a clue.

What you said is this: Dude you have not got a clue. That isn't the proper use of "got".
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The App is licensed as well. Maps are Data. Programmers are paid to develop applications to consume, display, or manipulate that data. They get paid. That's why they sell the program. Please show me one vendor that sells "Map Data" without an app to consume them. They sell the App with a subscription for certain Map Regions plus UPDATES to those maps.

Not only do they not give cross-platform Licenses (You own Microsoft office on Windows, therefore you can pirate the Mac version cause you bought the Windows version?!), but you probably are using map regions that you were never licensed for on any platform.

And it's Piracy. It's not a gray area. If I'm technically right, why are you still trying to dance around the issue?

Navigon does not give cross-platform licenses. No, you don't have the license to use them. Lol...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dtboos:
Folks. If you don't like the platform, just gtfo it. Seriously why give yourselves the headache.

I don't miss constantly fiddling with my nexus one, or my Atrix, or my Nexus S. The keeping ahead of the jonses' in the hardware dept with Androidphiles is too funny. FFC? oh noes, most people never use it and most mango devices will have it (new released). NFC? Who even uses it in the US yet? Is it just to say "dude you don't have NFC? lulz"? Nokia is bringing NFC to all their phones. Dual core? Who gives a rip seriously. Nothing is even coded for it.

To me this is by FAR the best and most refreshing platform to hit mobile since the Palm Pilot of old. Apple changed the way we use a touchscreen & mobile web, MS completely redesigned the mobile interface in a way nobody else would take a risk with. I feel much more connected to things & people I care about on a WP than I did on the static iPhone, or jumbled mess that is Android. You have to remember WP is still in its infancy. Its only 10 months old!

Microsoft ignoring the platform? Mango is the single biggest OS update on a mobile platform ever. And its bringing almost EVERY feature people whined about. All within the first year.

I like the UI better, the way if comes alive, the way I feel connected to my information, the still dumbfounding smoothness & stability, and most of all, I believe more in Microsofts vision of the mobile future than either Apple or Google (windows phone + windows 8 is going to be seriously hard to beat).

I am fine waiting whats most likely a few weeks before getting Mango. If Windows Phone doesn't do it for you, then why are you spending so much time on it? And so much time bashing it? I for one say good riddance to the Android phones in my drawer. I don't have time for their finnicky b.s. any more I have **** to do.

And Nokia will be bringing a serious upgrade to the built in maps. This includes turn by turn as well as deep coverage of many countries outside the US/UK.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Bring it up with XDA than. Nothing more, all I will say... The Navigon makers hasn't asked to have it removed, yet...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not true. WP7 was launched Nov. 2010. Are you admitting we all can expect Mango before Nov.2011? From what MS wants us all to believe, "Fall" is when Mango *might* come. That lasts until Dec. 21.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The infuse hardware is wildly superior to what's in the current WP7 phones. What are you talking about. He's right. It's wildly superior.

It has a Super AMOLED+ Screen. It has a way better CPU and GPU (1.2GHz Hummingbird). It has wildly superior dedicated sound hardware. 1750 mAh battery. HSPA+ radio. 8MP camera, 1.3MP FFC. HDMI Out via mUSB. Bluetooth 3.0. 16 GB internal storage with a Supported MicroSD slot.

Compare that to the hardware in Launch WP7 devices.

In the grand scheme of things, even the Titan is inferior and it isn't even released yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
Brothers in Arms 2 for Android:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foxQhHNzvOk

And this game too, yes its on cellphone, a touchscreen cellphone android:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnpx51PPoY

But all we got in Xbox WP7 is 'tap to kill a moving ant' kind of games and everyone is happy rating them 5 stars.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Your both wrong, you're giving speculation. All MS said is Fall, get over it. It'll come when it comes. iPhone5 even got delayed because of manufacturing issues.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Don't care what you or they do. I don't download the pirated apps, so I don't care. Just don't try to pass it off as being any less illegal than it actually is.

You guys can do what you want. It doesn't affect me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
For the most part you are correct, but to say the Titan is inferior is wrong. There's pros & cons for both. Not everyone is so hard set on SAMOLED+. I admit it's nice & has better picture quality than SLCD, but it's not perfect & not going to say why as you already know why. Titan has 1.5 GHz CPU, so is faster. It also runs a more optimized OS so doesn't even "need" the faster CPU. You are right about storage. Battery is negatable as the extra 150 mAh battery could be lost in bad OS performance & hardware related issues. I would like to see a side by side comparison though to cover these pros & cons more in def.

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Then why bring it up, lol....
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I always stay away from the gray area stuff. To recommend such software makes a person just as liable as any pirate.

But I'm one of those kind of people who won't hack an iPhone or WP7 because it isn't the proper thing to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Most likely supply shortages, since Apple actually makes and sells out instantly ridiculous numbers of devices (iPhones, iPad). Issues (the way your post infers to the average reader)? Not so much, I would guess.

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You bought it up. I just pointed out.

Get it right.

The Titan is inferior. Look at everything, not just a couple points that are at best debatable.

The Sound Chip, BT Stack, GPU, Battery and Storage are all clearly superior to the Titan.

150 mAh is almost a 10% increase over the Titan's battery, BTW.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I might actually buy Garmin in the future. I like it's layout better. As for Navigon, only use it as it was the best that was available at the time. Didn't realize how good Garmin is till I just installed it.

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I brought up Navigon being on XDA & being what I use. You brought up the pirated part. It's a gray area, end of story or XDA wouldn't allow it to be here. They are really strict on that & even give out permanent bans to those who post wares. Something they hardly ever do.

I suggested nothing as to iPhone5, I simply stated what I know. See the following link for more info;

iPhone 4 WIth Facelift Coming Soon, iPhone 5 Sees Possible Delay

Titan, purely opinion. Just like it's my opinion that the Titan is better, nothing more/nothing less. 150mAh 10%, no, it's less. The Titan has a 1600mAh battery. besides the point is Android's Performance issues can eat that alone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I said inferred, not suggested. You can infer something unintentionally. By stating "manufacturing issues" it infers something went wrong. The only thing that I'm pretty sure is going wrong, is there is a supply shortage. Apple is used to that, as are people who buy Apple's iPhone and iPad products. They always have trouble producing enough devices to meet demands.

The pirate part is not a grey area, unless you're stupid. And no, I'm not calling your stupid, I'm just trying to illustrate how dumb that actually sounds. Let's just end that conversation and move on. I'm technically right, yet I'm wrong cause it's a grey area... Cute...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bert2662:
Get another window phone. That's the best solution, you would never try to leave the android hacking community, yet I would.say that wp7 is somethg tempting to be used, especially the full ms office built in and the functionality. So, get an android n wp7
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
From what I've seen and my experience with the Infuse, even with a buggy FroYo OS, the Infuse is markedly better than the Titan. The Super AMOLED+ display is the first OLED based display I am actually floored by. It is just gorgeous. The SAMOLED of my Focus is horrid. It looks like the stitching of denim. But that's because of the inferior technology SAMOLED uses versus SAMOLED+.

I seriously doubt the audio quality of the Titan will even dare to compare to the high-end sound of the Infuse or any other Galaxy S/S2 based phones. I am also familiar with the sub-par performance of HTC cameras. My Inspire...the one-time flagship HTC device...sucks compared to my Infuse. And my Infuse has poor low-light performance.

It's stacked against the Titan. But the OP asked if he should go get a current WP7 phone or keep his Infuse. I made the point that his Infuse is one of the most high-end phones he can currently get...until the GS2 comes out. And even then the Infuse is looking better than the GS2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
iPhone5;

Pirate; Agreed, it's better off dropped...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You know what's ironic about this thread, though...

Me and MartyLK used to debate about WP7 a few months after release.

A lot of people have gone from staunch defenders to "umm... huh?" and you can tell by how dead some of these threads are - even with the heated discussion it's basically just a few of the same people and an unknown here and there.

Where is Dominus or whatever his name is? FiyaFleye used to be in every thread going to bat for the platform. While some of those users may still be Pro-WP7 Optimists, they are not nearly at the level they were i.e. 6 months ago IRT their defense of the platform - even with Mango on the horizon.

P.S. Before WP7 released, when we just had the WM forums and WM users were telling us how the platform would get neutered to almost Feature-Phone levels due to being rushed/feature cuts, I was defending WP7 myself. My have times have changed...

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How is that opinion. The Infuse has better hardware in it. There's no opinion about it. Look at the spec sheets and compare them.

I can't believe you're even trying to pass this drivel off... Purely Opinion, Lol...

Gonna have to ignore you. You're no longer fun to play with.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I wouldn't say stacked against the Titan. There's 3 points the Infuse has, screen although it does suffer from burn-in, storage, & speakers (Recent HTC speakers suck). The Titan has a faster CPU though, WP7 (Perfomance & Battery Life, yes I know you don't like WP7),& has that F2.2 lens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
There you go. The issue is component shortages. This happens everytime for Apple.

The iPhone 4S will use the same base design as the iPhone 4, so that is less of an issue. Demand for that phone will be monumentally less than the higher specced device (i5).
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Tell me about it. I had a boatload of people on me like piranhas when I would say anything negative about WP7 at that time. Sheesh...some people have some razor sharp tongues. :D

And I also have noticed how some of those same people have gone from religiously defending WP7 to either being null or against it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
From a functional standpoint, WP7 is worse than Android. Besides, we're talking about hardware. Andorid and WP7 are software. The Infuse also supports Flash, DivX, XVid, and all Galaxy S phones form the first version has had DLNA built-in.

You're still forgetting the BT stack is better. The GPU is better (Samsung isn't the one Advertising XBox Live, BTW). The camera on Samsung phone is almost guaranteed to be better than an HTC - every device they have released has a dubious camera (pink tint HD2/7, G2 Camera is crap, Inspire nothing to write home about - for sure (brother and mother have one, so I've tested it )). However, the Titan can record 1080p so for some people that will pretty much balance that out (for others it may give the Titan the advantage there). Screen is miles better (like how I mentioned the Burn-In in Gen1 Galaxy S devices and you're still using it against second Gen Super Amoled+ panels, when no one has mentioned burnin on those screens... That's hot!).

Oh, and the 1.2 GHz Hummingbird in the Infuse is MORE than competitive with that SoC in the Titan.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
It's opinion because you think a 1.2 Hummingbird is better than a 1.5 Scorpion. How is that fact? Do you have benchmark comparisons? Than maybe...

FiyaFleye has been quite ever since he got in trouble a few weeks back when Eric1234 got a vacation or ban (not sure which he was given). He's been keeping quite & is being pretty respectful lately. Dominous (how ever it's spelled) is still around, he isn't on much from what I've seen though. Honestly, when i first saw pictures of WP7, I hated it & swore I'd never get it. Than I played with one & saw tons of reviews & fell in love.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Purple11:
I loved WP7 when I bought it, I love its till like one month back.. but now I have come to realize that APP and gaming scene in MP is totally dead. Their is a lull in MP in anticipation to MANGO just like their was in WM 6.5 app scene in anticipation to WP7 for last 3 years.. all the updates have been just bug fixes.. negligible new apps.. all new games are now just plain stupid and lame which a five yr old can play with one hand.. I dont even trust XBox released games anymore.. they give a short DEMO to entice and when consumer pays than he realises that the DEMO he played was all that is in the whole paid game.. latest Eg: COLLAPSE.

Only thing I like about WP7 is ZunePass.. if I lived in Asia where their is no zunepass I would never buy WP7, sell my OMNIA 7 and immediately buy GALAXY S2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's wrong. I do like WP7, for what it is. I just would never recommend it over a phone like the Infuse. WP7 has a nice UI that is the smoothest and most elegant I've ever seen. But that's as far as it goes with WP7. Once you are past the UI, what do you have? Going to the market to check the latest apps or games? There's only so much a WP7 user can do with their WP7 phone. Mango really isn't going to change that.

When iOS5 was initially reported, there was talk about how much different it would be compared to the previous iOSs. They kept saying it was a whole new OS. Then I watched a keynote of iOS5 with demonstrations and all and was dumbfounded by how much the same it was to the previous iOSs. The only changes are buried deep and foundational. There was no widgets or customization or any of that good stuff. The biggest notable change was the drop-down notification bar.

This is how Mango will be compared to NoDo. There will be changes, but those changes won't make the system less boring.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
How is the GPU better, like I said, benchmarks. Not just your word. You do realize that Qualcomm uses the ATI mobile GPU. They bought it from AMD after the merger. SAMOLED+ burn-in, it exists. That's a big minus for me. I don't want a big Super Mario in mid jump burned into my screen from having it paused too long. LCD technology doesn't suffer from burn-in. You can blame yourself for mentioning that. Pink camera issue has been fixed with a driver update on the HD7. Sorry, it's still opinion as in your opinion SAMOLED is better than SLCD & Hummingbird is better than Scorpion. Without a true benchmark comparison to back up that claim, it's opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I can give you a benchmark of my Infuse. Sadly, WP7 doesn't have any apps for benchmarking...at least none I'm aware of the would correlate to the benchmarking app of Android. My Infuse scored a 1716 in Quadrant Standard. That's the fastest stock score I've ever seen. My Inspire scored like a 1200 after several tries.

Oh, and by the way, the Hummingbird brand is the same the iPad and iPhone use. The iPad 2, using a Hummingbird CPU, destroyed all other tablets in a benchmark test.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Yes, this I agree with. If you are big into customizing you phone & can't get past that, it'll be a big issue & I wouldn't suggest WP7 to you. This is why I said in my original post in this thread, "go play with the phone first." Either you like as is or you don't. I do miss customizing it, which I still do, but it's the "just works" part that sold me. I have glass icons on my HD7. I wish we had tools to play with the UIX/UIB files. Than I could get into tweaking this UI.

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Yeah, sadly, I forgot something important, Titan isn't released yet, lol. Hopefully T-Mobile USA will get it. Then, maybe I can benchmark it. Or, even better, a benchmark from an Android device that uses the 1.5GHz Scorpion. That'd be more true as they both running the same OS & benchmark app.