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[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
my friend added me into a group chat

all the initial messages go missing

i replied into the chat to my friends that i'm seeing nothing, and then the subsequent replies come streaming in

where are the initial messages?

i understand this is beta, but missing messages in an IM app....kinda wrong eh?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I don't really want it in the Me hub, because the point of that hub is social networking. Notifications extend far beyond social networking on WP7. I want a general notification aggregator, whether it be in its own hub, another pane of the start screen panorama, or something else that none of us have thought of yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vash_h:
odd.. my colleague's android's whatsapp has no notifications when he receives a message.. until he opens the app.

is there a setting to enable it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] bteljuice:
Settings?

You can do a lot of things in settings :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] cruzzmz:
Official released

http://windowsphone.com/s?appid=218a0ebb-1585-4c7e-a9ec-054cf4569a79

ver 1.1.0.0
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Are push notifications working for you? I can't get the live tile to update or show a toast notification.

Edit: problem fixed
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I thought Mango Fixed the Push/Live Tiles issue?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cruzzmz:
Live tile, Toast & push notification worked fine on my Focus running Mango 7720
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
Whatsapp must have been having some problems. My app restart (kicked me off had to verify again) and now everything is working.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
same thing here

the beta worked for me

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ok switching off push, then switching it on again worked for me
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alexiures:
Now its officialy out and.......omg looks like it was done in someone's garrage or basement in a hurry ....... i mean its ok because its free but if it costed 1 penny it would totally be a ripoff . The only thing you can customize its your status ...the rest...... ive seen apps 5-6 years old that could have done batter job especially with the UI
[Windows Phone 7 General] cruzzmz:
totally agree with u ... but hopefully will be more updates ... especially build in emoji etc
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
yeah its pretty basic but as long as messages are delivered and received that's all that matters.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CyK1:
I have a question to those of you on mango: when someone sends you an emoji emoticon on whatsapp for example, does it show up on your windows phone or is it a rectangle like it did on nodo? (plz not the rectangle, plz not the rectangle, plz not the rectangle!!!)
[Windows Phone 7 General] xyap:
no rectangle but a very small icon.

does anybody know how to send a smiley?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael_W_L:
can anyone join a group? My uni class has a group and pretty much that will be the reason why I would get whatsapp, in fact the only one!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alexiures:
I dont think you can ......YET (i hope ) , this app is an insult to WP users, i dont think you get so few options on any other platform .
[Windows Phone 7 General] PsychoAssasin:
would you rather wait a few more months before they release and have everything or have it now with less features so atleast you can use it. Other platforms have had months if not years of development so what can you expect from something they put together for mango only which isnt even out yet for most people. I for one am glad they pushed this out as quickly as they did although now im waiting for an official mango update so i can use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael_W_L:
Need mango to be able to check, but if not, this app is kind of pathetic overall then. Rushing it out for mango to try to get users will not work out as if there are issues, there will be less loyalty and therefore when the next fad comes along, they will likely be left very quickly, unlike bbm which is still going strong
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Not their fault, really. The Android and iOS apps look fine.

WP7's Metro UI does wonders for graphically-charged applications, and makes Text-heavy applications look like crap. It's why most messaging applications just mimic the messaging Hub.

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There are about 300+ WhatsApp Emoticons in the Android version. I reckon the iOS version is the same. Not sure about Symbian...

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I love this. Microsoft gives us life-threatening TBT Navigation and people make excuses.

WhatsApp releases a Beta-2 App in the marketplace and it's pathetic.

Love it.

At least they're doing something. They got hte app out the door before Mango, and the only reason why they're late and the app is buggy/pathetic is cause Microsoft was pethetic and gave us pre-Mango WP7 almost a year ago. It's not their fault.

Everyone wants to blame the developers. Why don't you guys get together and launch your own SP-to-SP messaging service? Developers got blamed for laggy list scrolling and it wasn't their fault. They get blamed for poor UI design when the Metra UI makes it hard to develop compelling UIs for text-oriented apps (does wonders for graphics-oriented apps like Zune, Pictures Hub, etc. or anything that uses Tiles, though...). Obviously these people are good at what they do. They have no issues developing performant/high quality apps on other platforms, and there are tons of emoticons on other platforms to boot.

Stop badgering the developers and wait. It's not like you have to pay to download the app, and if it was that important to you why the hell did you buy a phone they didn't support for almost a year after it was launched?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael_W_L:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecbb-EV3xxU

it looks like group chat is available. Then it at least provides basic features required to be useful. I needed the group chat for class work, this at least now provides it. Hopefully the beta bugs will also be semi cleared. Then the app is not pathetic! And it will be my first Mango app!

Tbh the app was thrown together quickly, it is clear from looking at it that they just wanted an app on here to maintain a presence, this isn't wrong, I just would have polished it more than this. Trying to find images of the original iPhone and android versions to compare polish.

Beejive I am not sure why, IM+ is on here already, Pandora has not been able to develop for wp7 as the required APIs have not been available.

P.S. With a name of n8ter, how can you not know how many emoticons are in the symbian version?(Nokia preinstalls it in some countries!) it is probably the same as the other versions though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alexiures:
Yes they have done something but im pretty sick of devs that have apps with great success on other platforms treating WP users like third world country people ( give them something there, they will enjoy it no matter how bad it is ) . Seriously, they needed mango to get ,,this" out ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Michael_W_L:
Hey! Tha's insulting to those of us who come from 3rd world countries :D

But they needed the APIs, so yes, they did have to wait for Mango. The dev tools + beta had been out long enough though that a bit more was expected.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PsychoAssasin:
They needed mango to get anything out at all. seriously people complaining, just wait half a year when they polish it up then use it. for many of us, we would rather have something that looks like crap but does its intended purpose right now than wait till they make it all fancy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
This.

It's not WhatsApp's fault. It's Microsoft's fault.

The only reason they released it now is so you can have something which functions NOW.

Would you have preferred to wait another 3 months?

If not, then you should probably avoid lambasting the developers for your perceived quality of their app.

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IM+ is terrible. It also looks like crap. Have you used it lately? That being said, it also looks like crap on Android, so I cannot really blame Microsoft for that. However, Metro does make it hard to develop compelling user interfaces unless you have a graphically-charged application (i.e. Weave, Hubs, etc.). For things like IM Apps, it gets a bit harder. On WP7 is more "is it at least consistent with Metro design guidelines" than "does it look attractive," I guess.

Really, I'm tiring so much of every application being nothing more than a stock application with a different function. Metro really does put the breaks on creativity when it comes to user interface design on this platform.

It's been a while since I have used Symbian here. Nokia's high end Symbian phones (the only one's I'd think of buying) are prohibitively expensive unlocked. I can buy a top end Android phone on T-Mobile and ETF 30 days later and still save $200+ off the price of an Unsubsidized Nokia Symbian Flagship. It wasn't worth it.

And since I don't own one, I don't know how many emoticons are in it. I know Android, because before I finished the post I did a quick count on my other phone, hehe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Still spreading misinformation I see.

But just for clarity, you are comparing the cost of buying a high end Android phone subsidized from a provider + a etf to an unlocked, with no subsidy high end Nokia phone? The obvious flaw?

Subsidized high end android phone + one month contract + etf is cheaper than unlocked high end android phone. You can save in some cases $100 or more by doing that regardless of if it is Nokia or HTC or Samsung. The more expensive the phone the most you win since ETF have been an issue that has seen court battles. Luckily for carriers they are not getting phones at net prices.

Nokia N9 is not out yet.

Nokia N950 is a dev phone.

Nokia X7-00 is around $380 on google shopping / ebay / amazon

Let me hear your list of high end, unlocked Android phone you get get for much cheaper than $380.

Make another point because that one is all wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Even unsubsidized Nokia's phones were usually $100 more expensive. They were almost $700 unsubsidized. High Android phones are $5-550.

Can't compared them to subsidized Nokia's cause there are none here.

Not misinformation. You're just grasping at straws. They were still prohibitively expensive. I wanted an N8 when it came out, but there was no way I was going to pay that price for such terrible hardware/internals/Symbian. External Build Quality and Camera (as long as it's decent) doesn't matter to me because I put all my phones in a body glove anyways. Scratches decrease the resale value, yo!

And no one cares about their Symbian phones now. The prices are dropping because the platform is sunsetting and no one will spend top dollar on those phones.

ETF has nothing to do with court, and ETF doesn't always win. It also depends on your carrier. If you're on AT&T and you buy a phone subsidized for $199 the ETF is $325 and it's almost a wash. It depends. That being said, Nokia's Symbian flagships were so expensive that it was impossible for carriers to subsidize them down to be competitive with the MSRP/Subsidy on high end Android phones that both sold better and had superior specifications (outside of the camera).

If you seriously think the carriers were going to subsidize a $650 phone that isn't an iPhone to $199, you're out of your mind. That very, very rarely happens. They don't even do that for the iPhone. Go check the Bold 9900 price at T-Mobile for an example of what happens.

Nokia X7:

That phone is mid-range at best. Not even comparable to a high end Android. Again. Grasping at straws.

Sidekick 4G - 379 Unsubsidized from T-Mobile

Just get that, it has an OS worth a damn on it.

The XPERIA Play 4G is also 399 Unsubsidized on AT&T, as is the Galaxy S 4G on T-Mobile (and it has superior specs to the Sidekicked mentioned above). The top-class Andorid devices are worth more given the incredible hardware disparity between them and the X7. That Nokia phone is half a phone compared to something like a Galaxy S II or Droid Bionic.

Anyone who travels to Europe and would need 3G there would likely use a Verizon or AT&T World Phone, not T-Mobile. Bands and Unlocked devices don't matter as much here, because most people don't travel out of the country and there's only 2 GSM carriers, one with terrible coverage (T-Mobile) who is on the brink of falling off the face of the earth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Give me one example of a high end Nokia phone that is more expensive than a subsidized high end Android Phone + one month contract + termination fee.

And like I said, in the example you drew up you can find yourself in a win position depending on the phone you pick to terminate early.

Back that statement up with some proof that you actually know what Nokia was selling phones to AT&T / TMO USA for. You cannot because you are pulling that out of nowhere. How come Nokia seems to be able to do it everywhere else with other carriers. The reason why carriers generally do not carry Nokia in the USA has nothing to do with price; it is cuz no one wants them in the USA.

I am being curious here and looking ahead. So when Nokia releases their first WP which will have comparable hardware and software to the rest if the price is less or the same as the others will you concede? I will if it is much more given equal specs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CyK1:
You can't JOIN a group yourself on whatsapp on any platform. You can either create a group or someone else can create a group and then add you to it. In the WP7 version you can't create groups but people can add you to groups. So you can tell someone from your uni class to add you to the group and it will work. That other person that replied to you is misinformed :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You are right about the current Arc / Neo / Play which can currently be had for under $400 and are great buys, but those phones are really not typical. When they first launched they were much more expensive ($500+) and have bottomed out due to what I can only presume are lackluster sales.

We will see come end of year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
I have never seen N8ter be wrong, ever. His opinion is the voice of God himself.

Anyway, this app is terrible performance wise, which is shocking. Apps which were created by children in hours run better than this. Pretty sure an update will clear it up, because no other app runs like this on Mango. It behaves as though it auto-configs the damn contact list on launch instead of having some cache system.

And as far as the navigation on the phone, I really don't mind it. Wish it would be better, but its usable. A part of me still thinks this is to give the big Navigation companies Microsoft is trying to bring in less competition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] s4cr3d:
No sending of audio and video :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] cruzzmz:
can send picture from ur phone & snapped picture .... but no option for sending audio though
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Looks like its using some custom control for the list/jump list instead of the Microsoft provided one (which would have a lot of the Mango enhancements). Probably because they started development before the control came out (it was part of the August Silverlight Toolkit I believe). Hopefully they'll update it soon, lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That is true, and t's because their specs are mid-ranged now. Mobile is moving fast, spec and capability-wise, so prices have to drop to make room for high end models.

Since prices for high end phones don't really go up much, previous high end models whose hardware is now mid-range move down to mid-range phone prices.

Nokia's phones were always worth a premium even if just for the great Cameras and External Build quality of the phones (and in some cases the Penta-Band Radios), but they always took it a bit too far. They priced themselves out of many of the markets that could actually afford to buy their "high-end" phones (like the US) because high end specs became commoditized and there is too much competition. The fact that no carriers wanted to subsidize them made it worse, cause most people here buy their phones on contract.

I think with most carriers axing their "Early Upgrade" benefits, prices may have to come down a bit more. That, or OEMs may not produce *as many phones* because people have less incentive to upgrade as often as they used to.

Used to be easy to do that. Not so much now with the market crowded by Samsung/HTC/Motorola/LG/etc.

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I'm sure the bitterness will mitigate itself in due time :P

The general consensus with this platform typically goes like this:

User 1: OMFG!!! <x> is coming to WP7.

User 2: F Yea!

User 3: F Yea!

<heated debate>

User 1: It's hear!

User 1: OMFG... It's terrible.

User 2: Terrible...

User 3: What an embarassment.

On a more serious note. Give them a month or so to see how it progresses. Personally I uninstalled it off my Android phone and just bought BeejiveIM for $9.99, then told people I know with WLM accounts who have Android phones to install BeejiveWLM Free for Android, which has no Adds and works perfectly (but only for WLM).

Once Mango comes around hopefully the Lord will allow me to be able to actually use that phone as a daily driver. Hopefully T-Mobile makes TeleNave Basic free for WP7 like they have for Android, as well... Terrible that they give free TBT for a platform with good built-in Navigation, and not WP7...
[Windows Phone 7 General] FiyaFleye:
Actually, I've never been disappointed with an app, this is my first

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
I don't use this app and probably never will, but if it helps, wmpoweruser have just posted an article in which the developers of whatsapp claim that the current version for wp7 is closer to a beta than anything and they expect to release a more feature rich version soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkavat:
http://wmpoweruser.com/whatsapp-com...g-features-up-to-parity-with-other-platforms/

regarding the UI...

I like what they are offering right now. It gets the job done. And asthetically, I found it more pleasing than their UI on my Nexus One or my friends iPhone or Blackberry. I havn't seen it on Symbian yet, so I can't really make a judgement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
You must have never used Yelp
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Or messenger by Miyowa. :D There are quite a lot apps on the marketplace that seem unfinished or simply suck. Speaking about official apps though, most are really well designed and reliable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alcoholic:
same with many other apps. Even group me and kik have less than half the features that android has. I don't know if it's laziness or just WP restrictions but it's very annoying
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
You can't really expect v1.0 of an app to have all of the features that v3.0 has on another platform. This is something that even Android owners have dealt with, though I imagine it is better nowadays.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes you can. The Feature Disparity has to be kept to a minimum or it causes a lot of usability issues... Like WP7 users not being able to start groups. Can't send same types of data as virtually all other supported platforms, etc.

It's up to the developer to release their software when it's actually ready, or let potential users know that the app is in a pre-release state (i.e. Beta). The issue I have with an app like WhatsApp doing this, is that it's a delayed-Paid app. So you can spend half of your trial waiting for them to get the App up to parity with other platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Then you can expect to wait much longer for apps, especially because the iOS / Android versions are moving targets.

As long as the core functionality is there, it's worth putting out. Imagine if we had to wait until what was version 2.0 for a Foursquare app. Hell, we still wouldn't have a Yelp app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I've always expected to wait longer. That's why I kept my android... so I could use a good version regardless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] schalkerjung1984:
yeah.. great ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
They use the MS provided one and yeah its damn slow. Thats the way that control is, its far behind on the native one. Actually its better to make one yourself, its most likely quicker to jump to a different letter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Are you sure? It doesn't have the same look and feel as the one used elsewhere (including the Facebook app). I guess that could just be uglified fonts and font placement though, lol.

Anyway, I was wrong about it being introduced in August 2011. It was rebuilt in August 2011 though, so maybe they are using the older version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
Anyone happen to have the xap for whatsapp? Had to get a replacement and of course its not in the Marketplace anymore for now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hellrokr:
Found out it might become paid now..

Here's why its pulled...

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/3/3217828/whatsapp-hidden-windows-phone-marketplace

WIll get back soon...

Also..

I found Whatsapp v1.0.0.0....

http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=922709&d=1330379640
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
Yeah, read the article a little earlier. Thanks for finding the xap though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] *Igel*:
Does someone has a newer Version than the 1.0?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
Yeah, tried the posted 1.0 version and I never get the verification code sent to my device. It must be something the devs have deactivated until they push out the changed app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sasaeg:
Thanks its working in unlock phone :good:
[Windows Phone 7 General] rafa8595:
works with dev Unlock?
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
Yes. As long as you can side load xaps it works.
[Windows Phone 7 General] poloche:
Whatsapp back in marketplace

New version is not capable with pre-tango device !!

WhatsApp - v2.8.0.0 - http://www.windowsphone.com/fr-FR/apps/218a0ebb-1585-4c7e-a9ec-054cf4569a79

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eddy4823:
I updated it for my Lumia 710. Some visible changes, that's it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] p.dixon0:
Interestingly, I'm unable to install the update on my HD7 (8773 Tango), Bing Translator update failing also...?
[Windows Phone 7 General] LastBattle:
I'm unable to update too, its Microsoft's server side XAP encryption that's bugged.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tom619:
wont update on my unbranded lg e900 on 8773

uninstalled then tried to reinstall and still no luck :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] sitizenx:
WhatsApp updated on at&t Lumia 900

WhatsApp updated a couple of days ago over the air on my at&t Lumia 900 on the at&t network.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eddy4823:
WhatsApp freezing sometimes. This is started after the update. And also, a small sound icon in the volume notification bar on the top.. Whats that ?? :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Same here. At least now we have in-app notifications!
[Windows Phone 7 General] drupad2drupad:
That small sound icon is what shows how cheeky whatsapp guys have been!

Get Stop the Music! App and use it.

Whatsapp has now made sure they stream something in background with minimal data usage. Google iHeartRadio and WP and you will know what I mean. By doing so, whatsapp stays kinda "awake" and doesn't have to resume from tombstone making us think that the app is now snappy and quicker. It has affected my battery significantly. Now I am have ended up using stop the music! to stop the streaming everytime I use whatsapp. Annoying but saves my battery and minimal data.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
This is just a workaround. And an awfully one. Pretending to play music? Seriously?