yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows 8 General] NFRCER:
Interesting idea. Let me inform you sir, that this forum has always been Windows Mobile centric since and/or from it's foundation (Hopefully I'm not mistaken). Then along came Android and things got.. Well let's say complicated.

The "free" approach that Google has installed in all of you, has created a whole bunch whiners and trolls who feel entitled that everything should be given to them without any sacrifice from the user. Not like this was any different when it was Windows Mobile only, but we had our secluded spot.

I do not care for Android but everyone should have their own space, understood?

OR

Technology changes faster than the blink of an eye, and if you are reluctant to change, you are in the wrong forum.

Believe me, XDA for me used to be one of those "secret-spots" I'd come to have a nice read and communicate with new and old members alike.

Ever since Android has been introduced to XDA, things have gotten more intense, like debates among who's OS is better or not (Even in Non-Android forums)... something that I may not care but YET I respect others wishes.

Needless to say, I hope you revise your post and be MINDFUL OF OTHERS who will have a need for this forum.

If you do not wish to remain here for a meaningful discussion "On-Topic" mind you, then go back to your Android thread where you belong then.

Thank you and have a nice day. Sometimes it's nice to see things from another perspective, try it once in a while. ;)
[Windows 8 General] dilzo:
I don't get how it can annoy you in any way possible? Just ignore it and you'll be fine. And who knows we could use this to find stuff about which tablets it ports to etc. So IMO it's kinda needed.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
Do you see a Donut, Froyo, Gingerbread or IceCream Sandwich forums here?

Windows has been fundamentally the same since NT. They've partially implemented security permissions and have yet to keep up with the level of Linux in that department. Because of additional convolution, they could have a Windows7/8 forum in addition to the Windows CE forum (which mobile fits into).

There's no call to have a windows 7 and 8 forum at all. Having a new forum for that is like having a new forum for each manufacturer's UI implementation. There's nothing revolutionary about the 8 interface. It's simply hiding the default Windows interface and it's a merge of the Windows7 phone interface into the desktop.

Windows needs to do a total revamp, starting with NTFS. The Filesystem is garbage. It hinders use and development. I know because I have developed Windows applications. Modularisation is the key to a good operating system. Never in my life have I considered a partial implementation of permissions (Windows 7 and vista), nor a Skinned UI(Windows 8), nor merging of a mobile and a desktop platform into a single interface (Windows 8), worthy of an entire forum.

Windows CE variants, and Windows Vista variants... Sure. Windows 8 is not XDA material. It's not a digital assitant like WP7, and it's not a phone. Howabout a Windows forum with Arm and x86 categories?
[Windows 8 General] NFRCER:
Dude, leave the fanboyism aside. All the above are not facts, but YOUR opinion and YOUR opinion ALONE.

This is exactly the same thing I was talking about. You obviously have no interest on a Windows forum.

YET you are here trolling because YOU do not agree with it, so therefore NO ONE ELSE can have it??

Should I complain to XDA (i.e) Because Google has privacy issues AND violates them on a constant basis, so therefore we shouldn't have Android? NO, simply NO.

These are opinions and not facts.

XDA is set up in this place to CONTRIBUTE and DISCUSS material ON TOPIC of the above mentioned forum, not to spew hatred because you simply do not agree with.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
No sir, you are exhibiting fanboyism. If you've ever tried to program cross-platform then you will realize how convoluted and screwed up Windows methods are.

Hardware abstractions requiring proprietary drivers hinder development

Interfacing devices requires implementations of $10,000 signatures from Microsoft

Utilizing user granted elevated permissions requires 30 additional steps to a program

Tools which assist with elevation of permissions are considered "Malware"

Installation of applications requires access to a unorganized "database" called the registry

Utilizing pieces of equipment which you have purchased in a different way is entirely too convoluted to even consider for any sort of software distribution.

Microsoft's provided generic drivers are buggy, so you can test and pay to sign if you're serious.

If you'd like links to any of the above, I'll show you in code, or examples I've dealt with in the last few months. Why do you deal with them? Because you're told by the mass market that it's what you want. It came on your computer. You learned it.

These are normal every-day life for you when you run Windows. Learn Linux and you will not have these problems. You will soon learn that they are *IN FACT* problems. They require several work-arounds and cash in order to utilize your creative freedoms as a developer.

You say opinion, I throw the gauntlet sir.
[Windows 8 General] Rebellos:
Well, I'm not bigger Linux fan than Windows, I use Windows for everyday. But really, Windows 8 is not available for ARM, and we don't know for sure if it will ever be, and when. So I see no point on making 2 boards for Beta release of some system.

I don't see boards for Fedora, Ubuntu, RedHat, Knoppix. Most of them are more available for XDA devices than Win8 (more is not appropriate word here, as its like dividing 1 by 0 for now)

I see no place for Win8 boards on XDA Developers for now, while it has got nothing to do with portable devices but some press notes.
[Windows 8 General] NFRCER:
Adam, I have read your post in it's entirety and I have to say that even if these issues are preventing development, you came into this forum and I quote: ("Android is the most used OS on the forums and I consider it crap that XDA has placed Windows in the position of honor" "Ok, really, did Microsoft pay to have this forum created?").

Do you really think that this is are reasons enough to have it your way? Would you be happy if I went and trashed the Android forums just for the fun of it? If you would have posted this in the Android forums, you would have not heard from me at all. The issue at hand, that I see.. Os that you come into this forum insulting XDA and the future users of this forum and then say, this shouldn't be here at all.

Your complaints cannot be fixed in this forum at all, because XDA was designed to find tweaks and even hacks etc to make our OS better and responsive. Are you so mad that you are willing to deny the chance to other users because of your own jealousy and hatred for such a corporation?

Learn to share and let others live as they see fit. If Windows works for them, then it does, period. Or would you rather have them all move to chromium and/or Google products? That's very kind of you but users do not need to be berated for choosing as such. This is more on the lines of fanboyism. I said it before.

Would you be okay if I do the same on the Android forums?
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
XDA was designed for PDA and CDA devices.. Not desktop operating systems. Anything designed in Windows 8 will have to be redesigned for any sort of XDA device. It's a desktop operating system, not a XDA operating system. This was stated upon release of Windows 8 developer preview.

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[Windows 8 General] NFRCER:
This should have been your first post instead. I do not disagree whether the forum should exist here or not, but rather the manner you come in busting doors left and right only to proclaim Android as king of these forums and who knows what.

I understand your motives and why you feel as you do. I do not take that away from you, neither it's my intention. Its just that everyone has the right to have something, and if Linux was to be added tomorrow, I'd be happier for those who will make the most of it. Even if unrelated as it may be.

I only want to convey the message that one-sided approaches will get alot of people offended. That is all I want you to see.

I respect your opinion, and I feel you bring up a good point. I wish I could help to make that situation better but unfortunately I do not have such knowledge.

But this forum is my home now, as new as it may be it will be of the utmost help to me and perhaps other users.

And I had felt insulted that you accused XDA of selling out (Your home) and that you are trying to take my home away.

I only hope you can be comprehensive of my side as well and that we can both stand in the common ground.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
I understand. We don't need a new forum for every version of Windows.. We don't have a forum for every version of Chrome. We don't have a forum for every version of Android. We don't have a forum for every version of OS-X. This is not a XDA OS. It's a Desktop OS. You will not be developing for this platform as an XDA. Obviously paid advertisement

If they have a Windows 8 forum, they need a Ubuntu forum and a OS-X forum. It makes no damn sense except that Microsoft has paid off XDA to promote their operating system. I read a statistic last month that the vast majority of people on this forum were on Android. Yet, somehow Microsoft's OSs are all listed at the top. It's not even alphabetical or in any order. Obviously paid advertisement.

Then stack the fact that the Windows 8 is not even a mobile OS. Microsoft has officially released that mobile and desktop apps will be mutually exclusive because of architecture and battery life. This is not a mobile development platform. Obviously paid advertisement

Microsoft is ****ting on my home. Might as well call it Computer-Developers.com
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
I mean seriously Microsoft.... How the **** can you make a developer release when the developer tools dont work?

And somehow get sponsored on a mobile device forum with a Desktop OS..

This is absolute bull****.
[Windows 8 General] bulletproof1013:
Well that's Microsoft. For ya.

Please pardon me as I have been drinking and tend to say thing from the heart.

Sent from my unbrickable cappy *bam*
[Windows 8 General] NFRCER:
Hey Adam you might wanna calm down. Your childish side is showing ;)

If you can't make a coherent discussion then you do not deserve to even be here at all. I tried to do it differently and you can't even properly answer back.

This discussion is over and I hope that if a mod sees this, just close it or lock it. Anyways, thanks for trying at least, it was entertaining and I hope we meet again.

Take care and have a nice day.
[Windows 8 General] FlawlesStyle:
Just the name of the thread had my trollsenses tingling. Great stuff Adam.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
This is not a troll thread. Its blatently obvious why a desktop OS has no place on XDA developers. They have no plan for a mobile version yet.
[Windows 8 General] blazingwolf:
Dude. Get over it. If you don't like it then don't read the forum. Pretty damn simple.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
Really, I'm not joking here.. I've seen this before. Lockergnome used to be reserved for the technically savy until they started the forums and everyone signed up to ask questions. It used to be a series of blogs and a newsletter with quality control. That control is now gone and the articles are just about "cool stuff" that people think is smart. At one point it was technical, now it's artsy.

The thing that keeps this forum prestigious is that it is limited to a certain kind of device. This will open the flood gates for noobs to ask questions about EVERYTHING computer related. Once that starts, we will be tailoring to the masses. The noobs will take over and basically turn the place into another garbage forum like http://www.lockergnome.com/ . It will take 2 years. Mark.

Please, XDA, I urge you.. Contact User Experience Admin Svetius Windows 8 is a desktop OS, not a mobile OS. It is not designed for any mobile device. If you care about the forums, lets try to keep the desktop and laptop stuff out.
[Windows 8 General] domineus:
I'll kill this argument

Windows 8 is a desktop OS, yep surely is. But it also has ARM support and has ARM support for a pretty long time (since about 7850, which was the January build).

Now what do the majority of phones run? ARM. Windows 8 is on a forum where phones run ARM processors...It's pretty simple the reason

Same reason why the htc tablet (running vista and windows mobile) had its own forum. It's not as if this hasn't occurred before...

Just let it go
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
No arm support has been announced for win8, only press releases and speculation. This is strictly desktop software.
[Windows 8 General] akbisw:
Doesnt matter. people like it and last time i checked people dictate the way XDA runs!

I like addition. Windows 8 just happens to be the revolution in mobile/desktop computing in the post PC era. So XDA should be a major part of it. If MS is paying XDA, even better!!! Atleast they are helping the site.

By saying that I only state my opinion. And I am an XDA fanboy.
[Windows 8 General] azrienoch:
I was the one that suggested the forum, and I'll tell you why it needs to be here with the clearest reasoning I can muster.

The tablet market is young and will change rapidly with demand. Right now, Android tablets are not selling well, and the demand for development is low, purely by volume. iPads are selling well, but not as well as iPhones. The price difference is negligible. Especially for Apple loyalists. The reason the tablet market is as it is right now is because current tablets are NOT more productive than current phones. Productivity is how expenses are justified. The only reason iPads are selling well is because of that loyalist crowd. They certainly aren't more productive than Android tablets, like the Asus Transformer.

Now, the Windows 8 tablet that was handed out at /Build/ runs all the Windows programs you can run on your desktop or laptop. Desktops and laptops are productive. I will saw off my left leg if Windows 8 tablets don't crush competitors almost immediately. And I will saw off my right leg if, within 3 years, iPads aren't running OSX, or at least if the version of iOS it runs isn't compatible with OSX programs. And I'll just outright kill myself if phones don't follow suit within 10 years.

In other words, to argue that Windows 8 shouldn't be here because it's a desktop OS is short-sighted. And it sentences XDA to death. The line between desktop and mobile OSs is clear and visible right now, but they won't be for long. This was a Windows Mobile development forum. It'd be dead right now if it didn't adapt to the times. And it will be dead if we don't adapt to whatever the future brings us.

On top of that, we do have development forums for what are currently desktop OSs. Ubuntu, anyone? And Android was ported to laptops. And so on. And if you want to be really nit-picky, the first device to officially run Windows 8 is a tablet. Therefore it's a tablet OS. I kid, but it's still true. Embrace it, because it's a step in the right direction--a direction that gives XDA a future. My right and left legs will see you in 3 years.
[Windows 8 General] AdamOutler:
I hope you're right. I respect you and your answer. I am locking this to avoid any further flaming. It may be deleted if it is seen fit.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
Reserved in case I need it.

Meantime, i'd like to say thank you to all the people working so hard to develop ROMs and software for our phone.

Thanks!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
I ported the Froyo launcher from the LG G2x and Themed it gingerbread, its much faster then the one I compiled. Do you want a copy?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
Sure, i'd love to play with it.

I appreciate you compiling those apps for me, i'm just not set up to do it right now and i'd have to halt all other progress to make it happen.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
No biggie. The launcher is in my senseless ROM. Just extract it.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] computerkid23:
Good job blue!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Help Please.

Since day one on stock - my gtalk app would only load on every other reboot - very weird.

Anyway I thought now Im root Id try to remove and re install. So used root explorer to delete the talk.apk from system/app.

Then I rebooted hoping I would see talk on market - but no. So I downloaded talk from within a gapps addon (someone posted in our forum to use talk from here gapps-gb-20110503-signed) which I did.

However when I try to install, I get 'Application not installed'

Any help please?

Thanks in advance

Also which of Undeads roms are the fastest - senseless or the other one? ;) ?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
Are you on a deodexed ROM or an odexed ROM?
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
Senseless is way way way faster.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] dillalade:
Yo,

I'm still on tghe stock rom, yet to flash your rom just yet. But am going to.

How can I entirely delete gtalk and all of its remnants?

I guess I should just bite the bullet and udgrade, nice to know still how to completely remove my gtalk
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
The problem is you are on a odexed ROM. I.E the stock ROM, you are trying to flash a deodexed app i.e Google talk, that's not possible. You need to flash my stock ROM, pauls MCR, or Pauls Stock deodexed version. Other wise you are stuck.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Blue6IX:
I like to know things, just to know how they are done too - so I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to know even if just for being curious.

I don't like having google talk on my phone either - but you will find that you need it to show certain apps in the google market.

You mentioned you had root explorer, which is awesome. If there was one tool you needed to pay for to really work with your phone on your phone, that is it.

Since I know you can follow along, let's look at what it takes to get rid of Gtalk.

First you have to know what the .apk file is, if it has an .odex file, and where the data directory is. Check my Reference to find that out.

Here is the entry for Google Talk:

So we can see one .apk file, no .odex file, and one data directory.

1 - Kick up root explorer on your phone and go to /system/app and delete Talk.apk

2 - Still in root explorer, navigate to /data/data and find the folder named com.google.android.talk - delete this folder.

3 - Reboot phone into recovery mode. Once in clockworkmod:

4 - Clear cache from the main CWM menu, by selecting 'wipe cache partition' and then saying yes on the next page.

5 - Clear dalvik-cache. From the main CWM menu choose 'advanced' then 'wipe dalvik cache' then 'yes'. After it's done, hit back then 'reboot system now' from the main cwm menu.

That should be it and talk is now removed from your device.

To re-install Talk:

I attached a copy of the stock talk.apk - if you want to re-install it and were having trouble, try it this way:

1 - Download the attachment to this post, get it on your phone.

2 - Open root explorer, find Talk.apk and copy it. Paste it into /system/app

3 - Once Talk.apk is in /system/app, in root explorer long-press on it to get a menu of options. Choose permissions.

4 - Change the permissions to read:

-Owner - Checked boxes = Read + Write

-Group - Checked box = Read

-Others - Checked box = Read

-Bottom row of permissions all unchecked.

After hitting "ok" you should see that the Talk.apk permissions look like all the other files in /system/app, where it says rw-r--r-- under the file name.

5 - Exit root explorer, then reboot your phone into recovery mode.

6 - Clear cache from the main CWM menu, by selecting 'wipe cache partition' and then saying yes on the next page.

7 - Clear dalvik-cache. From the main CWM menu choose 'advanced' then 'wipe dalvik cache' then 'yes'. After it's done, hit back then 'reboot system now' from the main cwm menu.

That's it, you now have Talk re-installed on your phone.

You won't be able to find google talk on the market, even if you log in from a computer and aren't signed in to an account.

Let me know if that's what you needed, or if you have any other questions.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] amalio357:
I want to use this but im having hell getting these 4.0.0.9 line commands to work. Ive tried everything line for line but no success. any suggestions?

p.s the recovery image has .img at the end and i copied it from sd card to data/local.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
You missing or mistyping something somewhere. I worked for me the first time. Are you sure you have root access.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] doministry:
I actually liked the FB app since it has alot of functionality (besides Events creation) and Chat.

But the latest update drives me nuts.

First, the whole app stays in the memory even if you leave it and has to be killed manually. And keeps coming back by itself as a process.

Second, it always wakes GPS, I have no idea how to disable this ****.

Any ideas? Any contact with developers?
[General Questions and Answers] GreenAce92:
Reccently I have received my insurance replacement phone and have been attempting to flash rom's since.

My original phone (same as this one) was able to load up Infused 1.5 No problem, so I have gotten the rom flashing to work without the 3e as tgis 3e recovery that I'm seeing now (blue( is not the same as the one prior).

I keep getting the stupid E: Failed to verify whole signature, even the stock Infuse rom.

I did it to my other phone why not this one?

I have done the whole

mount -o deal on the terminal emulator and replaced the file etc

Still no go.

I did this very same process for my original and I was able to flash two different roms no problem.

But the recovery was the normal clockwork.

I went from Captivate rom back to Infuse original then to Infused 1.5 what could be the sitch?
[General Questions and Answers] GreenAce92:
Sorry I meant to say, started out with creating a Captivate recovery though I later found out to use the 9000 (today).
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] unclespoon:
Wow this is INCREDIBLY helpful and well-done. Thank you!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] Undeadk9:
Dam this woulda came in handy two weeks ago when i was a newbie at these update scripts. LOL. I researched for hours trying to get the script right and i got it. ;) oh well better late then never.
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] computerkid23:
lol hahaha lets hope people take the time to learn this also makes Our jobs alot easier..again Great Job blue!
[T-Mobile myTouch 4G Slide] taviaum:
Hi! Well, i have a question.

Is that possible to Freeze an app with updater-script?

How could i do that?

Thanks, awesome guide, mate!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] torrkel:
I had the phone in my pocket and opened a friend's contact and probably blocked him. But it says that he is not blcokad, yet he can not call me. What should I do? :confused:
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ray_jai:
Hi,

I was on 2.2 rooted G2 and I updated to a rooted 2.3.4 via clockwork mod and now when i boot up the phone it still nags about updating to 2.3.3 and it says the SD card is blank.

did i miss something? what could be wrong with the phone?

thanks
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] martonikaj:
did you wipe data/cache via CWM recovery before flashing?

Have you tried other SDcards?

Which ROM did you flash? if you flashed a pre-rooted ROM, you should never receive a OTA notification.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ray_jai:
other SD cards seem to work. but the "blank" SD card I flashed from doesn't work anymore.

The SD card reads fine on PC tho. Yes i did a wipe.

I can still go into CWM with the "blank" sd card.
[EVO 4G General] Pivo187:
Is there anything I can get for the screen to work at all times? Sometimes the screen wont respond to my touch and its annoying...Is there anything to fix this?
[EVO 4G General] ubrg33k:
Do you notice this at any specific times? Not necessarily times of the day, but after using a specific app, before using one, when turning the on screen, etc?