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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] StuMcBill:
OK,

I have just returned my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (16Gb) to the store after suffering the "Newtons Ring / Oil Spill" phenomenon, and after the store assistant told me that someone else had returned 2 with the same problem, and BOTH store display models have the same issues, I decided not to get a new one. So now I am in the market for a new tablet. (And to get rid of my Dock, Book cover and SD / USB Connection Kit, Dock - Used, Book Cover - Unopened and SD / USB Connection Kit - Unopened - but thats another story).

So I am thinking about moving away from Tegra 2 after having problems getting it to play High Profile HD video due to the underpowering of the Tegra 2 chipset.

I am considering the Archos G9, which has a Texas Instruments ARM dual-core CORTEX A9 OMAP 4 chip (1Ghz to 1.5Ghz), which Archos claim will play High Profile HD video.

Are there any tabs that you think I should consider?

I realise that this is a Galaxy Tab forum, but I have read some good advice from users of this forum section.

Thanks

Stewart
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Itaintrite:
Archos make great media players so their new ones will probably play x264 without a problem. But I've never liked their design or build quality.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] BarryH_GEG:
^^^^^

This.

Add to it that they're big and heavy based on the published specs.

If you're not a big video (streaming and local) user the HTC Jetstream/Puccini is a great tablet. It'll probably be released in Europe this Fall.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Croak:
If you want a good thin alternative to the Tab 10.1, the new OMAP-powered Toshiba AT200 looks like a good bet, if it releases in the near future.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] slack04:
I think you might need to wait for the next generation of tablets. The GT10 is as good as it gets right now. After the new year there will be several more options but as of now, there's nothing that will get you high profile video and build quality at the same time. A quick question about the newton rings: could you actually see them when the screen was turned on?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] StuMcBill:
Yeah i could see them, especially in dark scenes on movies etc.

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Step666:
One of these two options.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Latoc:
Or you can get a Blackberry Playbook, I have one and it plays 1080p videos without a sweat, you can even multitask while the video is playing without a single frame being skipped!!! The HDMI output is the best of any tablet on the market, and the screen is top notch.

Sent from my Galaxy Tab 10.1
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Step666:
The Playbook is using the same OMAP CPU as the aforementioned Toshiba AT200, except clocked at 1GHz as opposed to the 1.2GHz of the Toshiba.

So if it can rattle through 1080p videos, there's a good chance the Toshiba will be able to as well.

It's the GPU, the PowerVR SGX GPUs are something pretty special.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] bdejong11129:
Nope, not underpowered, just a crap video player supplied with the stock rom. I thought it was true until I found dice player. With dice I have had no trouble playing any video so far. The 4 gb file size limit is more of an issue that finding a proper video player.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hbkmog:
No even with dice player, it can't play 1080p high profile video. Tegra 2 is so weak that it even stutters playing some YouTube videos.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Half Decaf:
Same here. Most of my videos are 1080p. I've tried a number of media players and none have been able to keep up.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] StuMcBill:
I really like the styling of the playbook, and if it ran android i would be all over it!

However, since it hasn't been selling as well as RIM had hoped, we might see some heavy discounts soon?

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ShannonAUT:
Tegra2 only support H.264 High@4.x and no weighted prediction B-frames.

For me thats okay, no need to play higher resolution on the tab than 720p anyway. Only problem is having to recode high res videos.

And about the 4gig limit. You can copy larger files too, over wireless if you have the time. (which takes a ****load of time, is there any other way to copy larger files to the tab, and maybe even faster?)
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Itaintrite:
The HP Touchpad can do it if somebody writes a decent media player for it. I've tried remuxing 1080p h264 videos (to reencode the audio while keeping video intact) and it plays the videos very smoothly with stock player. Waiting patiently for Android to come so I can try DicePlayer and others with the TouchPad.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] bdejong11129:
Never understood the desire to play full 1080p monster video files on a tablet. I love watching full size on my huge plasma but on the tablet it is just a waste to play such a large file. I batch encoded some for playimg on the tablet for trip a while back with handbrake and all I had to do was limit three bit rate. The video looked perfect and with dice player it never stuttered.

Each to hire one I guess, but this is much better than watching on my phone and the form factor is perfect.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Itaintrite:
It's just a matter of convenience. Would you prefer reencode all the videos if it could be avoided? And not everybody has a computer fast enough to do so quickly. On my intel E8400, a 2hour movie will take about half a day.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] youthcom:
It's an extra step that should be unnecessary. It limits how you can use your tab since you just can't drag & drop videos on a whim not knowing if it'll play. Also it's not awaste if you're using it to feed an hdtv.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Stardate Tab 10.1:
Were people expecting the first generation tablets to be blu ray players too? This is complaining just for the sake of complaining.

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hbkmog:
I don't see the point playing 1080p video on tablet either. Speaking of convenient, I think it's more convenient just to download smaller 720p videos and not have to worry about file size and such.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] MattSkeet:
Watching 1080p on 10.1" 1280x800 screen is like driving Ferrari on bumpy country roads you just don't do it. I think some people don't use common sense...
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] jorisvdende:
Exactly! And I use my NAS + Xtreamer for feeding my TV. That's what they are made for.

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ph00ny:
That's like saying "my cell phone can record in high profile 1080p, why can't these tablets play high profile high def video clips"

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like it's been mentioned above, it's just a matter of convenience

You watch video clips on your PC right? If so, do you want to download 720p clips that may or may not play on the 10.1? What about your high res monitor?

720p clip looks terrible on large monitors
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hbkmog:
As mentioned before, having the time to download a 1080p video and getting baffled how to get it play on the tab, you probably have finished downloading and watching a 720p movie already.

And if you really need to watch 1080p movie for big screen, why bother putting the same movie on the tab instead of just watching it on big screen? It could happen that you want to watch the same stuff twice, but I see it rare in my case. If I want to watch something when I travel, I'd just download 720p for the tab and if I'm close to my desktop, I wouldn't want to bother watch videos on a small tablet screen so there's no need for me to put 1080p video on the tab.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] irishtexmex:
For the record, I think you guys are being contrarian because you're being an idiot over the internet.

It is really quite simple to understand.

I want to watch a movie.

I have a laptop with a 1080p screen, a 1080p HDTV connected to that laptop, and my GalaxyTab.

I get whichever movie and I get it in 1080p because that looks the best and I have the hardware to play it on my tv or laptop.

Oh no! LIFE happens and I find myself on the go, and when I'm on the go I take my tablet with me.

If I still want to watch that movie, I have to wait HOURS for it to reencode because I bought my computer brand new when I started college, and I'm not a freshman anymore.

Being able to play 1080p on the Galaxy Tab is a matter of CONVENIENCE. I could give a flying f--- if the quality is below 1080p on my tablet because the tablet can't even play that resolution! I just want to be able to have ONE file that I can drag & drop onto any device of my choosing, at my convenience. I know that is currently unobtainable, but that is a reasonable

want

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] hbkmog:
Your personal insult aside, I can only see you making a douche out of yourself with your self-entitled attitude.

Your scenario IS possible but I see it rare unless you travel A LOT like you always work offsite. But in most cases, people only watch movie on the go when it's long hours of travel. And that being said, if it is long trip, I suppose normal people would have time to plan and prepare for it. Also I think it's kind of stupid to put a around 10g 1080p movie in a 16g/32g device in the first place.

Back on the topic. It's a nice plus if it can play 1080p videos, but comparing to other issues with Tegra2, that's really the least thing I would worry about.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] pandamaja:
If you're tablet free and considering a new purchase, you may want to sit tight for a few months to see about upcoming quad cores.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] _delice_doluca_:
i remembered something; as we all know chainfire has made a driver to make any gpu be recognised like a tegra one in order to be able to play tegra games in any phone/tablet.. and this mod also had the option to render the textures in 16bits instead of 32 bits..

so my question is; is there a way to process the video regardless of what quality its in.. for example the 3d performance is limited by the driver.. it is 90 fps max.. so, maybe there is a way to limit the amount of the data to encode too?

imagine; 720p video starts to read from memory, the chip processes it as 720 and we see it, when it is 1080p the chip -for example- splits the frame into sqaures like a chessboard and processes only the half of the squares and we see it as 720.. just like converting the video live and playing it instead of saving..

is it possible or am i day dreaming?
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] blue265:
I'd be interested in checking these out whenever they come out, although I am not sure about the design http://www.androidcentral.com/git-m...oneycomb-tablets-surge-tegra-2-and-pro-exynos The Pro looks like it has some sweet processing power and running Exynos chip just like my Galaxy S 2 although I am guessing it would have a hard drive rather than flash memory

My SGS2 runs on Exynos and doesn't even drop a sweat playing any format. I also can't beleive that Tegra 2 has problems playing MKVs 720P. Even with Dice player, it can be a little choppy at times with fast movement. So I have to re-encode using handbrake which is a pain. It bothers me that my phone has more processing power and memory than my tab :( I don't understand why so many tabs are being manufactured with Tegra 2
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Evan2ac:
You are day dreaming.

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You are 100% correct. You have to understand that people disagreeing with you have no understanding of how technology works.

TI has produced its video accelerator which CAN run 1080p videos in high profile yet they used 45nm chip process which is worse than 40nm that nvidia uses. If TI can do 1080p on 45nm Nvidia should have EASILY done it at 40nm.

The problem is Nvidiai didnt because the tegra 2 video decoder is based on the ancient Tegra 1.

Tegra 2s hardware video accelerator and GPU is simply and ancient, outdated design based on Tegra 1.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] t3ch7:
It doesn't help that Nvidia took out NEON from the Cortex-A9 which helps with multimedia stuff like video playback.

The nice thing about being able to playback high profile 1080p videos natively, as other people have mentioned, is the convenience factor of not re-encoding files (especially if you do your own encodes). Also, even though the display resolution is 1280x800, the video will be scaled to fit properly on the tablet.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] irishtexmex:
Out of all the posters my post was insulting, you were at the very bottom of the list in terms of who it was directed at. While you may disagree, your posts at least had a rhyme & reason to them with an actual thought out response. Posts like:

and especially,

are completely useless. In fact, I found the mockery to be insulting. Further, this guy

condescends for not having more ($) hardware.

Like I said, I'm fully aware of the physical hardware limitations we're dealing with, and even the potential fixes on the software side. I just wanted to point out that a likely usage scenario for one person is not the same as another and to contradict that is dismissive.

Additionally, my presented usage scenario is actually exceedingly common. It usually happens when I have plans to watch a certain show or movie at night, but then later in the day my friend invites me over on a whim. I'm rather busy, and not often at home, so encoding videos ahead of time that I don't know need to be encoded yet is either very unlikely or very annoying. So in that scenario I would like to take my tablet with an HDMI adapter instead of lugging around my dated, battery cell-depleted desktop-replacement laptop. Further, I have a ton of friends who are athletes at the college level, and they are ALWAYS coming and going. Trust me when I say they don't have enough free time in the day, or days beforehand, to reencode the videos despite how easy it is.
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] StuMcBill:
Wow, I didn't want to start any arguments!

Thanks for all the views and recommendations.

I think I am going to go for a Archos G9 8" Turbo.

The way I see it, is I would get a 1.5Ghz Texas Instruments OMAP 4 processor, with Dual Channel Memory, NEON Support, 16Gb Flash storage (don't fancy the HD version), MicroSDHC card slot (add up to another 32Gb storage), Standard Ports, option to upgrade to 3G later on (due to optional 3G USB stick).

And all this for £230, so even if it goes tits up after a year, its not like I have spent almost £500 on a more expensive tablet! OK it won't have the build quality of a more expensive Tablet, but I think this will feel "sturdier" than a GT 10.1.

Stewart
[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] Stardate Tab 10.1:
I am sorry if you took my post as condescending, I guess knowing the limitations of the tablet and amount of space HD video takes up I never thought about putting HD movies on my tab. So sorry about that.

I do have two questions about this topic that I have absolutely no clue about. And I do mean no clue.

1. Are 1080p videos on the tab pixilated when viewing it at arms length? I am just going by big screen TVs and the optimal viewing distance so the picture is crystal clear, like putting a 60 inch TV in a 8x8 size room the picture would look pixilated. Or is it a completely different experience?

2. I know that memory doesn't play much if any of a part with video playback, but the computers that I use at work are complete piles of horse manure and freeze up whenever you try to do more than one thing at a time. The computers have 512 for RAM. I am not positive but I think I read that the Archos g9 will only have 512 RAM. Will this hinder the omap processor in the g9?

Again, I am talking out of my ass on both questions, I do not know, just asking?

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[Galaxy Tab 10.1 General] ph00ny:
Problem with video playback is that some 720p video clips are affected by this limitation as well
[Captivate Android Development] AdamOutler:
Introduction

This package will totally reset your Captivate to UCKB2. This is the current version pushed out on new Captivate devices today. This package is intended for use on AT&T, however it will work with the Rogers SGH-i896 if you reset APN.

Note: this is stock rooted, I will put up a non-rooted version soon.

This package includes:

Repartitioning: Repartition to stock KB2

Reloading: IBL/PBL, PARAM, SBL, SBL2, Kernel, Recovery, FactoryFS and modem

formatting:Cache and DBdata

This package does not wipe:

EFS(Where your serial number and carrier information is stored)

Data(where your market apps are stored)

SDCard (where your pictures are stored)

You may use this code to reformat the Data and SDCard *2767*3855# There is no way to do this from Download Mode. The code will leave the EFS untouched.

Download:

Total Stock:

Download AT&T Samsung Captivate Total Stock UCKB2

http://files.teamkomin.com/Captivate/SamsungCaptivate-SGHi897-UCKB2-NoRoot-One-Click.jar

Total Stock Rooted:

Download AT&T Samsung Captivate Total Stock UCKB2 "Rooted Version"

http://files.teamkomin.com/Captivate/SamsungCaptivate-SGHi897-UCKB2-Rooted-One-Click.jar

Instructions:

Get the latest version of java here: http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp

Put your phone into "Download Mode"

Run the program once, and if it does not work, then check the "Flash Bootloaders" checkbox and flash again

Your device will end up as it came from the factory:

How I created this package:

I obtained the stock 2.1/2.2 bootloader which Trae uploaded

The stock Captivate part.pit came from my device using Heimdall(Download Pit option)

Uploaded the KB2 firmware to my device with bootloaders from nerz

Performed "wipe data" in recovery mode

Exploited the root prompt at the battery charge sequence using UART and grabbed the stock, wiped dbdata/cache partitions and params.lfs partition

Created a Heimdall tar.gz package using Heimdall 1.3

Finally, I used my Heimdall One-Click *BETA* packager to generate this one-click

This procedure can be reproduced for any custom ROM in the future.

Credits:

nerz- kb2 firmware: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1263379

Trae32566- 2.1/2.2 bootloaders: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1095067
[Captivate Android Development] AdamOutler:
Partition problems have been fixed.

Please use a good USB cable so that we don't clutter this thread with "this dosn't work"
[Captivate Android Development] snowake:
Nice work!

Trying this out now on Win7 from Pinnacle 1.2 (RFS) will let you know results. I have been waiting to try UCKB2, thanks Adam!
[Captivate Android Development] madmattco:
Just wanting to be sure before I try and brick my phone lol.

When coming down from gigglebread, we need to use the froyo bootloaders i assume.

I dont know if its from running this in windows, but the flash bootloaders check box is greyed out for me. i clicked the details box and i am able to change the true false values for the flash column.

can i assume that i need to have the bootloaders set to true as they are set to false by default? also should i just true them all?
[Captivate Android Development] AdamOutler:
You wont brick your device if you don't flash bootloaders. Follow the instructions. If it wont boot, then flash again with bootloaders. This is a safety feature. If your device wont boot after flashing, then check flash bootloaders and flash it again.
[Captivate Android Development] madmattco:
Thanks for the quick reply Adam. Worked like a charm. Always a god job from you.
[Captivate Android Development] c0ldburn3r:
Adam... this is EXACTLY what i've been looking for. My wifes captivate hates every rom I've tried and I wanted to get her back to stock.

THANK YOU!
[Captivate Android Development] talon_262:
Adam,

Can I use this to go back to stock from CM7?
[Captivate Android Development] AdamOutler:
If you see this message:

Local and device PIT files don't match and repartition wasn't specified!

then your partitions are changed and it won't work and do not try it on Windows or Mac. On Linux, you can use this to correct the repartitioning problem and flash it. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17485056&postcount=23
[Captivate Android Development] mrhaley30705:
Thanks for putting this together. I saw a need for this, but lacked the skills to completethis complicated task. Any chance of putting together an Odin package for it?

Edit

Can I dl your files and use the Odin 1 click creator to make an Odin flashable?
[Captivate Android Development] AdamOutler:
Hell no. Odin is closed source. It also uses closed source drivers. I don't support that at all.

You edited .. sure. If you want. I will have no part of Odin until the source is opened.
[Captivate Android Development] steveo314:
FOSS ....
[Captivate Android Development] tkienzle:
I know right LOL...

Sent from innerspace on my hacked telly...
[Captivate Android Development] syanz87:
i own an unlocked cappy.....

if i use this, will it lock my device again?????/
[Captivate Android Development] Pirateghost:
No. Once unlocked, always unlocked.

Sent from my Inspire 4G
[Captivate Android Development] snowake:
Worked well via Win 7 64bit, XP although it slowed up a bit (ran it live) and on Ubuntu 11.04. Switched back to pinnacle and all is right.

Are you sure it is not simply an EBKAC error? I have to check my wife's every couple of Weeks. Simple uninstall of crap she downloaded and used for two mins plus delete cache seems to solve the problem. ;)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
[Captivate Android Development] Jsmokey:
Great job adam been waiting on something to be done like this with heimdall. Its a great utility and most of all open source. I've noticed less bad flashes with heimdall also and altogether less frustration.

Sent from my i897 w/Andromeda 3, Suckerpunch kernel, & 1.3Ghz OC using Tegrak.
[Captivate Android Development] Squeaner:
This package worked great on both of my Captivate phones. You and Ben have done a great job along with all others who have supported the project. It will be awesome once your able to get the re-partitioning to work properly on Mac's along with Windows.
[Captivate Android Development] mrhaley30705:
Great work. I didn't think it would work because one click unbrick didn't recognize my phone. But I opened the file, plugged in and it detected my phone. I didn't actually flash it, but I figure if it sees my phone, it should flash with no problem.
[Captivate Android Development] steveo314:
If you have the phone ! Computer screen and heimdall recognizes your phone...hit start cause that's basically download mode
[Captivate Android Development] jcylcruzin:
AdamOutler,

Thank you so much! Saved my phone from boot loop error when I tried to flash back to stock Eclair. Wish I would have found your thread sooner and saved me 1 hour of head scratching. Anyway now I'm able to apply the official samsung gingerbread 2.3.5 update to KK4! Again thank you!
[Captivate Android Development] rexthunder:
I just wanted to confirm this before I go any further.. I had a bone stock Cappy running on Froyo 2.2 and flashed Teamhacksungs ICS CM9 Build (16) after a fresh wipe, my question is would I need to flash any bootloaders to go back to stock 2.2 using [AT&T][UCKB2]Heimdall One-Click stock rooted? The reason I'm asking is because that "encryption error" that seems to rarely pop up on some users is starting to haunt me and don't want to loose my internal storage, HOWEVER ICS is running great at the moment. This is just a precaution..
[Captivate Android Development] The_Wolf91:
Both Heimdall One-Click down... could you repost them (the rooted version in particular)??
[Captivate Android Development] sleeper994:
ok man i need your help now really bad, i used this package and flash went smoothly, rebooted in recovery, then i clicked reboot system now, att logo came up, att animation came up. galaxy s logo started doing its thing, and then...black screen and it wont go past that black screen? What should i doo ???
[Captivate Android Development] TRusselo:
hmm... just had an idea..what if root was an option of any one-click package, ie check-box for root to be applied after stock flash.

would require update to heimdall one-click packager.. but should be doable