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[Off-topic] DS1495:
I just bought a Nikon D5100.

It's a great camera. I'm not sure how much you're looking to spend, but if you're in the $1000~ range, it's a great choice. (mine was around $1150 with the 18-55mm, and a 55-300 VR zoom lens)

I would highly recommend it. Takes fantastic pictures, and full HD 1080P video with full time autofocus. An awesome all around camera.
[Off-topic] VeryCoolAlan:
Okay...under $1000 for me ...

Thanks for your suggestions
[Off-topic] jaszek:
T2i or D5100
[Off-topic] xdohboi:
Agreed. But I didn't wanna scare him. lol I'm in the same position, but not at the 10k mark.... yet... Lenses and rigs are expensive. D:

In reality. You'll find out that the stock lens won't apply in certain situations. Like sitting in a hall all the way at the top with low light... Thank god I had a 70-200mm with an 2x adaptor for my cousins graduation. the Stock 18-55... well.. you know... lol

edit: as for suggestions... T2i (if you can find it), T3i, T3. You can see which brand I'm baised to. lol :P
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Remember, just because you're biased dosen't mean you're wrong ;)
[Off-topic] maciek82:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/ start reading :D

I have a Nikon D90. Remember that you need to have a good lens, not just a good camera.
[Off-topic] TravisBean:
Although not in the same class of camera as those already mentioned, I have a Lumix ZR3 (complete with Leica lens) and have found it to be a great entry level camera.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/ZR3/ZR3A.HTM
[Off-topic] xdohboi:
Haha. Very true... lol and the lumix is a great alternative as well! Something a little different than all that was mentioned helps him keep his mind open.
[Off-topic] dexter93:
Nice to see a photo thread around :)

Well my gear is: Nikon f65 (known as n65 in us)

Nikkor 28-80

Nikkor 70-300 (no vr :( )

And im soon buying a d90 with a Nikkor 18-105 vr lens :D

...aes eht rednu

peed morf tneS
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
ok so while screwing with thing and cpu stuff i discovered my second core was shut off. im not sure if thats cuz it was idling enough or if its shut off until it needs to, well im a speed freak i want it on all teh time so far from what ive seen is enabling it manually makes it stay on til you reboot.

all this script does is turn that core on, i dont know any side effects and obviously youll lose more battery but this is for people who just need that extra oomph

adb remount
adb push supaspeed.sh /system/bin
adb shell chmod 755 /system/bin/supaspeed.sh
adb shell supaspeed.sh
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
Sweet!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Custodian:
Thank you very much shabby!!! Screw around and find some more tweaks!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] snoopy1e11:
Should i still flash this evn though i flashed the rc2 kernel? ?
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
you dont flash this, i suppose i prolly shoulda made it flashable, but im lazy for the night :P

commands are in op

this is separate from teh kernel

anyone test it out yet? placebo effect? am i going crazy? dont know what am i talking about or did i just give everyone a big ole speedboost?

oh and reboots reset it (the script will stay there for you to just reuse just not the setting it switches on
[Motorola Photon 4G] Custodian:
Possible to set it to run on boot? With script manager
[Motorola Photon 4G] gpgorbosjr:
Do you think it really makes the phone run faster? I could be wrong but i feel like they'd set up certain aspects of the phone to only use one core and the second core will be on for no reason.
[Motorola Photon 4G] urcboss07:
How do you adb this? I adb everything except this one, it did not go thru? Do I have to unlock bootloader first?
[Motorola Photon 4G] snoopy1e11:
Aw yea i kno not to flash that was a typo
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
I'm having the same problem. It won't adb. Says it's not a reconized path or something of that nature?

---------- Post added at 07:30 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:22 AM ----------

Okay. I put it into my root folder, and then adb worked. I just ran smartbench and got 4060, 3195, and 3108 this was on the first 1.1 ghz kernal you released, I haven't flashed the newest one yet.

---------- Post added at 07:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:30 AM ----------

Okay. Shabby. Great work! After screwing with the phone for a bit. I've noticed a considerable difference, it seems to run a lot more snappy. BUT the battery does drain quicker. Meh. Who cares. It's screaming. You do amazing work Bud. Thanks a ton.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Okay, I flashed you RS2 Kernal, and it seems to me that my smartbench speed is actually slower than it was with the RS1. But I don't know if that's accurate or not. Either way, the phone is stupidily fast.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Lokifish Marz:
Nice find. Combine this script with a tuned "ondemand" or "conservative" governor (when they become available) and you should be golden. Battery life will not be as good as stock but should be better than the script alone.
[Motorola Photon 4G] laraiza:
1. Does bootloader have to be unlocked?

2. If we download this direct to our phone can we install it using terminal emulator?
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
shouldnt have to be

and yes you can, you can use script manager to auto start it. ideaaly if i knew the proper way id set it as an init.d script.
[Motorola Photon 4G] laraiza:
cant seem to get terminal to work with these commands?:confused:
[Motorola Photon 4G] justforflashing:
I have a folder on my c: named root and it has all my adb stuff in it. So, I used cmd and did the commands in the OP after placed the extracted .sh file into my root folder. All of the commands took (Im assuming) and when I did a quad test, it went from ave of 2550 to 2670. Can you tell me how to verify if the cmd actually pushed the file??
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
Why did this get moved to general? Wtf?
[Motorola Photon 4G] reddragon72:
So are you saying the second core is never on when the phone is running? Or do programs make the call to turn it on? Also can people do some battery drain tests before and after? Kinda curious as to the reason behind this and if there is a way to have the second core off till the first core hits 100%...... lots of Q's and lots of possibilities.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Harry_Spade:
i guess no one answered this question, can this be used with the stock kernel? is unlock bootloader required? and do u have to run the script every time you boot?
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
The OP did answer your 3rd question - a reboot resets it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Harry_Spade:
well i experminented and this command does it from terminal, need to be rooted of course, no custom kernel is required, yea definitely a big performance boost, got the command from shabby's script

echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[Motorola Photon 4G] John Kotches:
Did you check the state before you issued the command? Just curious... I checked mine, it's set to 0 so I ran the command. Not noticing much but not using my phone very heavily right now either.

You should be in the habit of checking / setting / checking to be sure you know what's really happening ;-)

# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
0
# echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
1
#

Cheers,
[Motorola Photon 4G] Harry_Spade:
yea i did thru an app, it said cpu1 idle, anow it shows 1000mhz, btw echo 0 is the command to turn it off
[Motorola Photon 4G] diomark:
Both cores become active when needed. No need to install anything.

Don't believe me? Install systempanel from the market and check out its monitor feature. It'll show both cores, and activity on the second core when your phone is busy...
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
I downloaded that app. Seems decent. I will post back once I turn my other core on.
[Motorola Photon 4G] 2JZ GZE:
I have a couple of questions.

1. After a reboot, does running the command on the terminal app (echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online) turn the other core back on?

2. Will this mod help make webtop run faster? Or is webtop already using the other core once this mod is in place?

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just installed...or ran the script..

and to answer my question...

1. yes and it actually does not stay on I think...if the script works, the 2nd core will never be idle right?

2. yes

score!
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
I'd be astounded if Moto doesn't properly manage multi-cores as part of the stock kernel.
[Motorola Photon 4G] radrian92:
So I just input that single line or is there more?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Harry_Spade:
yup, u have to SU first to run them

this is to check if the second core is on, it will return 0 for off and 1 for on

cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online

this is the command to turn off the second core.

echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[Motorola Photon 4G] John Kotches:
Yeah, its a binary toggle.

I do wonder if it's toggling between as needed and always on.
[Motorola Photon 4G] radrian92:
Thanks
[Motorola Photon 4G] 2JZ GZE:
Is there going to be a way that this would be applied automatically at boot?
[Motorola Photon 4G] slag02:
After you unpark the second core with this method does

cat /proc/cpuinfo

Show two CPUs?

Sent via tapatalk from the Photon 4G
[Motorola Photon 4G] rrmzr1:
How can I install this without a computer. Is there a way. Im thinking terminal emulator but I don't know the commands.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Kcarpenter:
the command is listed in the last 2 pages of the thread in almost every other post.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
I've confirmed by running a multi-core-aware monitoring app, and a graphics-intensive app, the the stock kernel DOES activate the second core at times - not very often. The CPU is so fast that a single core is almost always sufficient - rarely is the second core needed.

So not sure what 'problem' the 'solution' being discussed here is solving -- but we're all hackers here, so just doing it is fun I realize! :)
[Motorola Photon 4G] rrmzr1:
What I need to know is how to install without adb pushing.
[Motorola Photon 4G] BuddahWolf01:
I played a tegra 2 enhanced game today, and it used so much power that my phone lost battery percentage while plugged into the wall... crazy. It actually powered down while I was playing.
[Motorola Photon 4G] IP IHI II IL:
I'm not even rooted, and I'm excited about this... Lol

Pew! Pew! Pew! From my Mo-Pho!

http://android-gz.com
[Motorola Photon 4G] Harry_Spade:
There is no pushing anything, just run terminal and run that command.
[Motorola Photon 4G] willysp:
Wow ...

With or without this tweak? Just curious.

No offense - but you're sure it was in charging mode?
[Motorola Photon 4G] diomark:
I wrote about this before but for some reason can't find my post.

There is *no* need to do this - all it will accomplish is worst battery life.. The second core is enabled by default - it's just idle when not needed.

Want to test? get your phone busy (i.e. installing bunch of apps while streaming/etc) - then use systempanel https://market.android.com/details?id=nextapp.systempanel&feature=more_from_developer

Go to Menu / Monitor. you'll see CPU activity for the two cores..

-mark
[Motorola Photon 4G] sslbaron:
Wow this does make the phone scream speedwise! I tried it for 2 days, and the phone had 0 lag. I am going back to the original configuration for everyday use because it sure does suck down the battery. I only got 12 hrs out of the battery with moderate usage, when I nomally receive about 25+ hrs. This is nice to have as an option if you need extra CPU response though.

Thanks for the tweak. Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but if you edit it in Root Explorer, it stays after a reboot. So if this is something which you want to keep on your phone, then edit it though Root Explorer, and you can set it and forget it!
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
Where do put it in root explorer
[Motorola Photon 4G] ORam78:
+1 to this.
[Motorola Photon 4G] sapperpipo:
Wow this app is awesome thanks for the link bro.
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
So Shabby, this DOES work. I smartbenched with my old setup, 1.3 kernel, joker skinny ROM, I was hitting 4100 to 4300. With this setup plus your script I hit 4700 to 4900. Pretty legit. I guess that's proof enough it actually speeds things up?
[Motorola Photon 4G] MultiDev:
This. You don't need this "tweak" all. It just uses up more battery life. Those of saying the benchmarks getting better scores is probably because the phone isn't reving up the speeds/cores enough or at all. But trust me, the phone will get to the fastest speed if it really needs it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] fnztakedown:
Tried it and it really wasnt worth it
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
The phone kicks on the second core when required...this is true. But how does this not help speed up the phone? And you are saying the score aren't any different with this?
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
What part wasn't worth it the speed or battery being drained faster?
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
guys i dont think there is any disagreement that this isnt "needed" i found out the by default the second core is disabled while idling.. some people like to have a nos tank handy some prefer to coast along in a prius. i know the phone will kick in teh second core if needed...

i put this out there for people who wanted/needed it. in teh op i stated YMMV that i dont know any side effects this may have, use at your own risk... for the people who want to push their phone is seems like it might be worthwhile info.. if you dont care about this stuff then why put it down?
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Well Shabby it was worth it imo. And worked too. So thanks again.
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
doesn anybody know why I'm getting a /system/bin/supaspeed.sh: 2: cannot create /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online: Permission denied error?
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
Did you first type

Su

In terminal then

echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
This is what I type in terminal

echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online

echo 2 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online

Idk if it works but I don't get no error
[Motorola Photon 4G] MultiDev:
I'm saying this doesn't speed up the phone. This doesn't overclock or anything. Anything performance increase you get with the phone is already present in the phone. This doesn't raise the max performance of the phone. If you want more performance out of your phone, look for an overclocking kernel.

What it does is force the CPU to keep a core alive at all times as opposed to the default behavior of only turning it on when needed. This functionality is very useful for battery conservation and is a feature of many modern CPU's (Intel's i7 and AMD's Bulldozer can turn on and off cores as well and often does). This "tweak" disables this feature.

Basically, not only are you not gaining performance, you are disabling a useful feature on your phone and you are wasting battery life in the process. No up side and all down sides.

That analogy doesn't quite work out. NOS increase the fuel-air ratio significantly and allows the engine to burn fuel faster; basically making the engine perform above the manufacturer's spec. The most similar analog to smartphones would overclocking the CPU, which will indeed give you a performance gain.

But see, that's the thing. This isn't pushing the phone; if you want to push your phone, check the various overclocking kernels in the dev forums. I'm not putting it down at all or trying to insult anyone. I'm just hoping to correct an inaccurate perception.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Custodian:
Make sure you always type su before typing in any script in terminal.
[Motorola Photon 4G] Custodian:
Before....

After....

Yawn.
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
What's crazy is that all those phones in the chart are clocked higher then ours
[Motorola Photon 4G] MultiDev:
Yawn indeed. I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

The benchmarks you posted proves something, but not what you think. I assume from your post (since you didn't exactly include much explanation) that you mean to assert that the tweak increased your phone's perf.

What the benchmark actually proves is that the benchmark sucks or is unoptimized for dual core. A good CPU benchmark should automatically take advantage of as much CPU power as it can get. The fact that you can increase the score by forcing a core on means the benchmark isn't trying to use that core in the first place. This means that the benchmark isn't designed for use with dual cores and/or is badly coded.

The performance your after-"tweak" pictures show is already possible with your phone with no additional tweaking. Its just that the benchmark didn't ask for the performance increase; otherwise, your phone's CPU would have used that second core. This came up during the early PC dual core days. Its funny to see it repeated here. Many people bought dual core CPUs in the early days and expected significant performance increases. Thing was, very few apps at the time where actually programmed to take advantage of dual cores, so many benchmark results came out very disappointing.

BTW, for the record, I'm simply trying to correct incorrect information. It's your phone ultimately, do whatever you want. Aside from battery life concerns (and possibly heat related issues), I can't see any permanent damage happening to the phone because of this tweak, but it doesn't really help the phone either.
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
I think people do understand what your saying but they don't care I'm going to keep using the script its fun and that's the point of it
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
ive explained time and time again what this does.

sounds like a perfectly acceptable analogy when you put it like that... when you use nos you burn more fuel

so once again i will state i posted this as is, and as ive stated before this is for people looking to get that extra oomph out of their phones. maybe not in benchmarks but im sure this speeds up the ENTIRE system. this is xda correct? last i check we were on a search for find anythign and everything we could do with out phones on how we wanted to do them. i dont personally use this "tweak" because ive no use for it. just like i have a battery saviung tweak that dynamicly clocks teh cpu saving every once of battery (which would be the complete opposite of this ;).

as far as overclocking kernels etc Photon penguin was made by me, granted i pulled a lot of things from the atrix guys i was teh first one (as far as i know of at least) to pump out a custom kernel for this phone, joker has since jumped up and is doing an amazingly awesome job.

again i mean no disrespect or anything, just doesnt seem like its worthwhile to argue that this is pointless when it does have a point, maybe not to you.. but some people care hence why i put this out in teh public ;)
[Motorola Photon 4G] Custodian:
Trust me I understand lol. But who doesn't like seeing high numbers? ;)
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
thank you all,

yes I do get SU permission first in terminal.

any hints?
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
Did you unzip it first?
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
sure edward. is there any specific directory the script has to be placed?

actually he's in system/bin
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
Just making sure no offense umm that's werid you can try dropping it in system data
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
This is what terminal should look like
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
yeah that's crazy.. I'm bootloader unlocked, rooted, on 1.3OC Kernel from Joker.... and I have no permission.. eheh
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
You can go directly to the script in bin and click on it and hit execute using root explorer and it should work
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
did it also Edward. apparently root explorer states 'script executed' (after getting SU permissions) but he's not returning all script errors, if any. in fact, either system tuner or system panel still show the second core OFF/ON under normal Moto governor...
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
I know that some apps can't make the right readings for some dual core phones I use CPU usage monitor
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
This is what mine looks like
[Motorola Photon 4G] mecksg1:
so if your rooted and unlocked can u do this from the terminal emulator then or do you need to flash something first?
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
You dont need to be unlocked just download the zip unzip it and run it in terminal alot of us are putting the file in system bin using root explorer

And no you don't need to flash anything
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
Su (press enter)

Then type
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
The reason this boosts speed is because there is a lag in activating the second core and giving it stuff to do. Its like stopping and waking up your friend and giving him tasks, once hes awake hes good to go but getting him up alert and up to speed then changing from one dude doing stuff to two dudes doing stuff together takes extra time. This keeps both dudes awake so the first doesnt have to stop and wake up the first and assign him stuff to do
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
Haha I like the way you described it 1+
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
Btw there is a fix kernel side to speed this up, ive been sorta busy to implement it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] mecksg1:
so put the files on the root of the phone with root explorer. thru pc or phone?
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
I do it thru phone its easier
[Motorola Photon 4G] mecksg1:
got it going. is there a way to see both cores going like an app ?
[Motorola Photon 4G] jokersax11:
Yes
[Motorola Photon 4G] mecksg1:
what is it? would like to get it if possible
[Motorola Photon 4G] RockoDev:
I use cpu usage monitor
[Motorola Photon 4G] mecksg1:
thanks for the info
[Motorola Photon 4G] redeyes717:
this could be useful for other friends here.

as per my previous posts no way to get it working since... I did it with 'system tuner'.

pros:

1.no needs to go through this procedure after a reboot;

2. you can monitor both cores operation/frequency/load

steps:

- download 'system tuner' from market

- set your OC frequency, if OCed kernel

- under 'Boot settings' select the following: 'Force all CPUs online' and choose 'init.d script'

you're done. MoPho flies!
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
good to know, thanks for the tip :)
[Motorola Photon 4G] phyba:
That's a $5 app where as this tweak is free....there is a free version but options are very limited unless u buy it
[Motorola Photon 4G] xTMFxOffshore:
Not sure I would pay five