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[Motorola Droid Bionic] jwest06:
I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.

Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?

Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome). :D
[Motorola Droid Bionic] equake:
It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.

Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE

seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript
[Motorola Droid Bionic] acPIZZA:
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.

Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.

Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] acPIZZA:
I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.

Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DivineJerry:
I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.

Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Jiggity Janx:
I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.

But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).

Just my experience and opinion...
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
Well, seeing as so many people can see the pixles then I assume most people can, I have less than perfect eyesight so they all blend together, I still love the phone tho, the new blur is Berry sharp looking and haven't hit a single lag yet. But I'm a moto guy so id probly stay with it anyway, id expect HTC guys to stic wth thunderbolt
[Motorola Droid Bionic] jstrangfeld:
So lemme say up front I have the Bionic now, came from the thunderbolt and Galaxy S Vibrant on T-Mobile before that.

To me it boiled down to a couple of things looking at Bionic vs. Vigor vs. Prime:

While I liked the Thunderbolt the battery life was atrocious. Reading up on this a bit more I got the impression that that is a common theme with HTC's. Also using an old SOC was a detriment.

While I like my vibrant before I had a few issues with it. Horrible support by Samsung (Waiting forever for upgrades). Cheap plastic feel. While some people like the displays they were 2 bright, 2 colorful, cartoonish at least for me.

I have 20-10 vision myself from what I understand though is that pentile displays are not necessarily an issue with what you see but how your brain processes it. That being said I can see the problems with the display but it does not bug me enough to be a deal breaker, I can see how it could be to some. Aside of the display the bionic is fast, has great battery life, does everything I want it to do.

If I was you I would go to the store play with it look at the screen thoroughly and see if its a deal breaker for you. It was not for me, also getting my Bionic now I am at least 1 month for the vigor and probably 3 month sooner with the Prime to my next upgrade.

Best of luck with your decision.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
That is true that on any phone you can see the pixels if you have it up against your face. To me however its when I'm seeing the pixels when its 5-10 feet away from my face its a bit more bothersome. I especially noticed them for instance when I was watching the NFL Network via NFL Mobile on any medium camera shot - it was really noticeable and honestly bugged my eyes out quite a bit. Now yes some people might not notice the effects of the pentile screen but I'm the type that does so... I guess the Bionic in the nature isn't for me.

That's all my (subjective) opinion however so take it for what its worth. Like I wrote before try the Bionic out in store before deciding on buying it especially when it comes to the pentile display.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
OK. I get it now. Your talking about video pixilation. I figured you were talking about the actual display pixles not encoding issues....
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
I used the NFL Network stream as an example. I noticed the pixels issue on other things with the Bionic such as around the battery and with certain types of images using green colors and what not.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bill.garrett:
I do believe that people are referring to a lot of different things as pixelation in these threads. I picked up my Bionic tonight and was really expecting a poor to middling picture, but haven't gotten it yet (except when the source was poor to middling ie. YouTube). I think that many (not all) of these negative opinions expressed are less than informed and aren't helpful for people looking in these forums for information and views that will help them select a phone.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
Thanks bill, gonna half to say some, but not neccesarily all, are like that. Oh and if I may add, default video setting for anything are medium so don't expect HQ without adjusting it
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
At times the Bionic screen looks great but it really seems to depend on what's being run/shown on the screen. Even then the pentile-ness of the screen showed itself to me on certain types of image files such as album cover art where as in on my original Droid for instance the same images would look like it should as in a nice clean image. I do realize that using the NFL Network stream wasn't the best example since there is compression on that but the point I was making is that I could see the pentile-ness of the screen on medium shots during the Green Bay/New Orleans half time show that was on.

In the end its really subjective on how you feel about the screen. I personally felt the screen was lackluster and a deal breaker for me. But for others the screen might be wonderful and perfect and they won't notice the pentile-ness. So really my opinion will mean jack squat to them.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] WorldOfJohnboy:
I purchase smartphones for my company and have tried just about every VZW Android phone released in the past 3 years. Here is a general rule of thumb when comparing the three "major" manufacturers (HTC, Moto, Samsung) of Android phones on VZW:

User Interface (or as I call it, Android Experience):

HTC Sense>Motorola Blur>Samsung (not sure what they call it, but it stinks)

Device Design/Durability:

Motorola>HTC>Samsung (Also of note: Motorolas tend to have a more "ruggadized" feel, the HTCs have the sleek but sturdy feel, and the Samsungs generally feel light and breakable)

Battery Life:

Motorola=Samsung>HTC (Though the Vigor is supposed to have a ~1650 mA battery, which is 33% more than the Tbolt)

Display:

Samsung>HTC>Motorola (I personally can't stand AmoLED, but I am a minority there.)

Obviously this is my general opinion and it doesn't ring true for every device, but it's a good base overview comparison.

From the sounds of it, the Vigor will be an improvement over the Thunderbolt (mainly and especially the battery life) and I happen to think that the TBolt is still the best Android phone on VZW. Believe it or not, I think the LG Revolution is a close 2nd, but it garnered very little fanfare.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Superguy:
It was very noticeable in Let's Golf (especially with the opening video where the whole screen was nearly green) and Angry Birds.

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The Samsung build can be hit or miss. I'm back on a Fascinate and I had a Captivate before I moved to Verizon. The Captivate was built more solidly and didn't feel nearly as cheap. So I wonder if this comes down to carrier specs. I haven't handled a Vibrant so I can't comment on that. But having 2 different GS phones, there is a big difference in build quality between the carriers. I think Verizon just went cheap on the Fascinate, especially considering the other specs (128MB less RAM, only 2GB internal storage).

As for the UI, I hate Sense. I liked it on the old WinMo 6.x phones as it added badly needed functionality. However, I think the deep integration, even with a different launcher, is a negative on HTC (at least for me). Blur wasn't bad on the Bionic, and TW isn't that bad - especially if you're on a customized ROM and customize it.

As others mentioned, Samsung's support sucks on both AT&T and Verizon. HTC is pretty good. Moto still gets a lot of complaints on their FB page. If it's not about locked bootloaders, it's about Moto sending out half baked software and either taking forever to fix it or not fixing it at all. However, that's what XDA is for. :D
[Motorola Droid Bionic] adrynalyne:
I see a lot of "Oh the Vigor won't be this, or the Vigor won't be that"

All I can say is, we shall see. I have a friend who is a phone tester for Verizon. He is waiting on the Vigor, and swears to me the rumored specs are true, all the way up to the 1.5ghz.

Believe what you like, but I tend to believe this person sense he has never been wrong, and even had access to the Thunderbolt months before it released and specs werent 100% confirmed.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
OK, well then finally my last point to make is why are we comparing the bionic to the vigor(thunderbolt 2)? The original competition was between the thunderbolt and bionic, and there close anyway so of course its gonna be better and guess what? The bionic 2 will beat the vigor. Just overall it doesn't seem like a good comparison since the thunderbolt and bionic came close, so off course the successor of the thunderbolt will be better.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] bigeddthemonk:
Oh, btw I am an avid moto supporter so I appologize for my strong lean twords the bionic, but this article might shine some light on this discussion. (http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/M...-Samsung-Droid-Charge-vs-LG-Revolution_id2820 )
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
First of all long time no see adrynalyne. :D

I am hoping that HTC has learned from the Thunderbolt battery debacle. From what I've seen on their recent phones (ie: MyTouch 4G Slide) the battery life on those seem pretty solid so I'm hoping Vigor (or is it Thunderbolt 2?) will continue that trend. If the Vigor/TB2 is close to the Bionic in battery life but with a good screen then I might consider getting it instead of waiting for Samsung/Droid/Nexus Prime.

The only bad thing I can say about the Vigor/TB2 is the lack of the kickstand. But given how poor it was implemented on the TB its not really that big of a loss really. I mean at least put the micro USB port on the other side of the phone so I can use the kickstand and still charge the phone at the same time yeesh.

Is there any word on if the Vigor/TB2 will have any kind of HDMI support?
[Motorola Droid Bionic] FcoT:
I returned the Bionic yesterday. :-( ...still heartbroken, but going back to my thunderbolt felt like an upgrade. I guess that it will be a while 'till Google/Moto put together the phone that we've been waiting for.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DivineJerry:
Oh hey adrynalyne, just wanted to say, I'm a huge fan of what you do.

In regards to the TB2, I agree. We'll just have to wait and see what HTC has to bring to the plate. In regards to the 1.5GHz rumored speed, do you happen to know what the SoC will be? I'm going to ask my friend again for more specific specs on that device; hopefully he'll know more, though I feel like he's trying to keep a lid on them because he's under NDA.

The Thunderbolt and the Bionic IMO weren't close, maybe at the time of announcement at CES, but right now they're pretty far in terms of comparison, considering the Bionic switched to the TI OMAP from the Tegra 2 and upped the RAM to 1GB. Again, that's just my personal opinion, which is why I wanted to see how the TB2 and Bionic compare against each other.

The official name is the Thunderbolt 2, at least from what I've heard.

I'm going to probably do the same; if the Thunderbolt 2 has the same battery life as the Bionic with a better screen, I'll probably return my Bionic and get the TB2. If they use an older SoC and same clockspeed, I might just stick with my Bionic, because the screen on the Bionic really isn't that bad, though I can see pixels at times and that sorta bugs me.

I can go without the kickstand. That to me is a feature that is unnecessary, but convenient. Also, I think the kickstand would make the extended battery look ugly like it did on the Thunderbolt haha.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] adrynalyne:
No, sadly I don't have any information past the rumors, and confirmation that there is some truth to it. I am going to assume that they are based on the old design.

HTC has never been about using cutting edge CPU tech :D
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/09/1...the-droid-incredible-hd-launching-october-13/

99% certain this is fake but we'll see.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] WorldOfJohnboy:
Sweet, the day after my birthday... would be a nice little present to myself!
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DivineJerry:
I'm pretty certain that's fake because the Vigor's supposedly launch date is 10/8 according to the Verizon roadmap that was leaked, but we'll see. Also, WVGA != 1280x800 haha.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] TheLoonyRebel:
If I recall that same road map had the Stratosphere coming out the same day as the Bionic. The WVGA bit however is a bit of a tipoff that its fake along with the lack of Verizon logos.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] DivineJerry:
So I got an inside look into the specs and information of upcoming LTE phones to be released on Verizon from my friend, and I found that the Thunderbolt 2 will contain a 4.3 HD (I think they meant qHD) screen with a Qualcomm MSM8660 chipset, supposedly clocked at 1.5GHz, but no clock speed was shown when I saw the information.

According to benchmarks, this supposedly out performs the TI OMAP4430. Anyone know how the MSM8660 performs?

EDIT: I understand that the MSM8660 is basically two Snapdragons put together, the clockspeed upped, and a better GPU, specifically the Adreno 220.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] cdf3:
I'm hoping you mean 5-10 inches away. 5-10 feet away? That's a bit overkill. LOL.
[Motorola Droid Bionic] Immolate:
Objects in this retina are closer than they appear.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/fusion-garage-slashes-200-from-grid-10s-price-tag/

Fusion Garage takes notes from HP's fire sale of the TouchPad and reduces the price of it's upcoming Grid 10 tablet by $200.

There is a new trend in the tablet market, and it is a trend that we are very excited about. There has been a trend of low price tablets coming to the market, and HP’s TouchPad is to thank for it. Fusion Garage is the latest company to follow suit by chopping $200 off the price of its still unreleased tablet the Grid 10. The new price on Fusion Garage’s website has the new base price as a reasonable $299.

When the Grid 10 was announced in a faux press conference, it was announced at an industry standard $499 for a 10-inch tablet. With the good news of the price drop there is of course bad news, the release date has been pushed back from September 16 to October 1. If you purchased Fusion Garage’s original tablet the Joo Joo you will get a Grid 10 for free, so the price drop doesn’t really effect you.

The size and price of the Grid 10 were really the only two similar characteristics with other tablets on the market. Fusion Garage created a new operating system called Grid, which was built from the Android kernel. Technically the Grid 10 is not called an Android tablet, even though it can run Android apps. As the name implies the Grid OS uses a huge grid as the main user interface. You us the grid to organize your applications and folders, and it appears to be a very intuitive system.

As stated earlier we can thank HP for slashing the price of the HP TouchPad to $99, and selling out in less than a day. This business model proved that people are willing to buy a tablet without an Apple logo, if the price is right. Prior to the TouchPad the majority of tablets on the market were content with matching the iPhone $499 price tag. We have recently heard about Amazon’s 7-inch Amazon tablet coming out will be half the price of the iPad, and hopefully we will see more tablets follow suit.

Will this price cut cause more people to buy the Grid 10, or is it just too new and unproven to gain traction no matter the price point?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] nunyabiziz:
Is there anything more to this C&P? Are you upset about this price drop???:confused: This is like going to a store looking for toilet paper. After finding the toilet paper is the right section but there was a can of bake beans sitting right next to it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
I'll add: I think these folks are idiots if they dropped the price because of the TouchPad. That fire sale said absolutely NOTHING about how tablets should be priced--any product dropped to 80% of its retail price is bound to sell. If you took a Nook Color that's normally $249 and sold it for $49, it would sell like crazy as well. As maybe a better example, take your typical cheap $150 Android tablet and sell it for $30, and it too would sell out.

Rather, hopefully they're taking their queue from the TF, which has sold very well at $399. The market has made it quite clear that only the iPad can command a $499/$599 price point (bizarrely; it truly is a phenomenon what Apple has accomplished), and so coming in at $299 compared to the lowest-priced Honeycomb tablets makes sense.

I can't wait until the TouchPad fiasco is completely dead and buried. It was completely irrelevant to the rest of the tech market.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
On the contrary, my feelings are neutral about the price drop. I am however, excited that it is so close to the launch date. I want to be able to play with grid os on my TF.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
I would venture to say that the people that bought the HP for $99 are all experimenters and do not plan to use it as an everyday go to tablet. The HP had a unique OS and as such will never have much but the basic built in apps. The average day to day non technical user had no idea that the HP was $99 until after they were gone. Unless you troll the techy boards you would not know. Hell 3 weeks after the fire sale the major office supply stores still had them in their flyers at $499. Sounds like these guys do not have much confidence in their tab.:eek::eek:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] qhinton:
That tablet looks sick I saw it when it debuted. Anyways android tabs are over priced and no one is reacting to HP, only doing what should have been done from the beginning. The low sales numbers prove it. The problem the Fusion will have is that its not a traditional HC tab even at 300 its going to be difficult to gain traction.

Now if the Xoom would of came in at 350, HC would be going neck n neck with Ipad. A lower price is necessary with ipad 3 around the corner. I bet around Christmas all HC tabs will be reduced by 50-100.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
The boneheads at moto really screwed it up. They managed to make it almost twice as thick and almost twice as heavy while wanting to charge almost twice as expensive as the ipad and ipad 2.

I'm making full use of the TF on an everyday basis (work, fun, show off, etc.) and I only paid 380 for both TF+dock new. I wouldn't have had it any other way. To think they could influence someone like me to spend $800 on the xoom is laughable.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SwiftLegend:
This is a really nice looking device. I actually asked if the interface could be ported to the TF since it's built on top of / runs Android. Probably wouldn't use it as my daily tab, but it would make a hell of a nice quickie tab, especially for the price. Maybe leave it near the couch...(or toilet since I like to read :))
[Eee Pad Transformer General] urbanepic:
Got the "Fusion Garage" Grid10 10/13/2011

After update it became very fast and responcive, side loaded "google maps, Samurai 2, and Netflix", so far "Netflix (tried 7 diffrent APK's) is the only APK the does not work well, it kinda works but the video does not load, also I could not get the the "Android Market" to work tries 2 different APK's. I am thinking I will have to spoof the device ID, using the Astro. They still have a Gmail bug, should be fixed soon, just a token issue.

So that's my 411