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[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
Only the version you posted was a test release (1.72 one), on footballs web page there was the final release for your build number ;) And we know that Sensation XE has exactly the same hardware like our Sensation, so the two points to think about are only the hboot version (is it 1.18 to be able to keep s-off or newer one which could change the secuflag) and the question if HTC now included a protection that it is not possible to flash it on old Sensation any more, cause it shows that HTC´s PR sentences are a lie and there is no new audio chip in it but the same like on all modern smartphone, just with intelligent software controlling it ;)

Of course it´s dangerous to flash an RUU for another phone without knowing what is happening and how to fix things if something went wrong, but i dont want to flash this RUU´s just to have the newest of newest version, i apply all RUU´s because often there are new hw spicific drivers included in partitions which wont be touched through a custom ROM flash in cwm, if you remember the rpm partition of 1.45 OTA/RUU which was needed to prevent the black screens ...

So for me it is an interesting question if the RUU breaks something or not every time there is a new release! Did somebody check the hboot version already? if its 1.18 again i will test it
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
This is a TEST RUU, so should NEVER be flashed. At the very least wait for the 'Release' one but I'd NEVER flash an RUU not designed specifically for my device. By all means do what you want but should anything go wrong you're pretty much ****ed

Remember, whatever you may all think this is NOT for our device. We don't own a Z715e - we have a Z710e. If you try and flash it when 100% stock it won't work - again showing it's NOT for our device. You're running a large risk just to try and get a better device
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
As already said, the newest leak is not the same as the test build it is marked as release not test and is in footballs thread.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I know it is, but THIS thread is about the NEW 1.73.401.1 TEST RUU

I suppose you'd flash ANY RUU so long as said Pyramid in it, correct? If so, you're on your way to having an expensive paperweight. Doesn't anyone have ANY sense (no pun intended)?
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
I see, but the other poster wanted to flash the release version and you kept saying its a test. The other poster mentioned he was interested in the one in footballs thread.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I didn't say the other was a test, everything I've posted has been about THIS one (although I still would NOT recommend flashing the Release one AS IT'S NOT FOR OUR PHONE!!!!!!)
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
I agree that you are ****ed in that case the bootloader does not match, that was the reason i wrote that it is urgently necessary to check hboot version before doing such things. when hboot matches and the other parts fail, than you have a working hboot to recover all partitions you want, if somebody is not able to do that, then he should not do such procedures, but it is mentioned 9999999 times in this thread + it´s a dev thread so now it should be really clear. ;)

Sorry but you are wrong, the reason for incompatibility is a CID mismatch and by changing CID to SuperCID the incompatibility of the phones is gone ;) Sure HTC will let you think its another hw because you should think that there is a new sound chip which is the same on all modern android smartphones in reality, just with different software.

We from #Sensation-Devs (freenode IRC ;)) just extracted both the 1.45 OTA and the new 1.72 RUU and checked the hardware specific partitions, all is the same like on the old sensation, the rpm partition and all othe runknown partitions also! So it is really the same phone with another battery and same cpu which only got a new code from qualcomm)! and so if hboot matches you usually could not brick your phone with it.

But this research of course also means, that it is not needed (sorry mistyped before) to take the RUU for the reasons i mentioned before, cause this partitions i want to change are petty the same, but we will check again for 1.73 ;)

(and of course i never would flash a test RUU from HTC, like i said for 1.72 i took final release frm football, not your test release)
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
Must have misunderstood you, but the release is 100% safe to flash, i've done it
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I'd still never flash a RUU from another device, regardless what others say. It's too risky. I already know it's got HBOOT 1.18.0000 (it's the first thing I checked) but I really don't see any point in risking it. The ONLY time is if then led to the kernel in the new ROM to read the CPU at 1.5GHz instead of the 1.2GHz it does at present but seeing as Paul O'Brien doesn't recommend flashing the RUU (Android God himself) I won't be doing it

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And you're lucky not to have a brick because of it
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
Its not luck, its called doing diligent research before flashing
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
But you're still lucky. You could do all the research in the world and it could still go wrong. All I'm saying is that it's not worth the risk when there are custom ROMs doing EXACTLY the same without the risk

Lets agree to disagree and move on. On a related note, Paul is waiting on a new link from his source for this latest test RUU
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
agree, thats exactly what i wanted to say, if some ppl are able to evaluate the risk it´s a good idea to make such research for the community and for this reasons this one is a dev thread!

so we should discuss about the results of such research and not blame all who flashed a risky RUU and discuss why EddyOS dont want to do it :rolleyes:

it is a dev thread ...
[HTC Sensation] Behold_this:
True, I see your point and I wouldn't recommend anyone do it just because I said so. You gotta do your homework and decide if a risk is worth the reward. In my case I felt, after some digging, that there was no real risk, but that was my assessment. In my case I was right. It was no different then when I first flashed my t mobile version with the european version. I will say that had something gone wrong and I ended up with a brick I would've had no one to blame but myself.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
This thread is actually a link to a new test RUU for Devs to make custom ROMs from. It's not the Release RUU so any dickheads asking 'Can I flash this' deserve the abuse they get! I'm not normally someone to have a go but when you some twat asking stupid questions when the OP CLEARLY states this is a TEST ROM and it should not be flashed then they're gonna get flamed
[HTC Sensation] OVORene:
Its 100% safe to flash, its the same phone besides the battery and beats headphones...

Stop making it a big deal.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
So you flashed this TEST RUU? Not the actual Release one, but the TEST one?
[HTC Sensation] OVORene:
yes I flashed the test ruu.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
Then you ARE lucky. Release one I could see why but whatever possessed you to flash a test RUU?
[HTC Sensation] M3nti0n:
It's a test ruu, HTC

TESTS

with it, they wont test anything that can brick a phone, they only test stuff that

MAYBE

is a bit unstable and can reboot.

Then i can access the RUU download, i will deffy flash it onto my Sensation, just to test how it runs.
[HTC Sensation] OVORene:
ohhh my... luck has nothing to do with flashing this RUU.

This "TEST" RUU is made for the sensation and flashing it will "NOT" brick your device. The LE version just has beats headphones and a bigger battery, your making it to complicated for others by adding that "this is a TEST RUU, do not flash because you can brick your phone..." it will not brick our phone because its made for our phone...

I'm done.
[HTC Sensation] Spekko:
I dont see ANY valid argument that will lead to your phone being able to get bricked (sorry for the bad sentence structure :P),,, its like having drivers on an msi 9600gt and installing the exact same drivers on an asus 9600gt?... the hardware is EXACTLY the same, even has the same hboot so there is not a chance in hell that i can think of of you bricking your phone...
[HTC Sensation] mike1986.:
Can anyone re-up 1.73 ruu?
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
The link was corrupt so Paul getting another copy Mike.

As for it not being for our device, it's not. It's for the XE. Just cause it's the same hardware doesn't make it instantly compatible. Yes, it would seem the RUU works BUT why would you just flash it? The mind boggles as to what goes through your mind to just flash any RUU you feel like - especially the TEST one. Here's a question for anyone running the RUU - is your phone, on stock, running at 1.5GHz? If not, then it PROVES the phones are different

It was made for Devs to test the software works - if it had gone wrong what would have done? Not like you can go back to HTC under warranty is it? Luck played a large part in it working, and it seems most of you assumed it would work.

ANY RUU, test or otherwise, can brick your phone. NEVER assume it's 100% safe
[HTC Sensation] OVORene:
I'm at 1.8ghz I flashed the bricked kernel, didn't check the GHz before.
[HTC Sensation] mike1986.:
The speed is kernel related in this case, not CPU. Hardware is the same in both XE and non-Xe.
[HTC Sensation] JohnnyBlack10:
I gree...this is corect.
[HTC Sensation] M3nti0n:
The normal sensation does not run natively 1.5ghz, but the CPU in the normal sensation

has been build for it!

I think EddyOS, that you need to learn the facts about hardware, even QualCom tagged the msm8660 as 1,5ghz dual core to be used on the normal sensation, later HTC decided to underclock it to 1,2ghz to be able to make another (little bit better) device with the same SoC, this is the Sensation XE.

^^ THIS! -10chars-
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
Nope, no prove ... In spring this year HTC announced the pyramid with msm8660 snapdragon cpu running 1,5GHZ, than HTC maked a market research for available phones in summer 2011 and decided to clock it at 1,2Ghz since they put a very cheap battery in it and samsung has to overclock its 1Ghz exynos to be competetive, now the 1,5Ghz version of our CPU is named msm8260, but its the same CPU/SoC ;) and the kernel will check for this hw revision number to decide which clock to use ... that are all tricks of HTC to get 2 devices out of 1, like the message that there is a new audio chip in the sensation XE which is on all modern android smartphones ... it´s all PR ...

surely flashing the partitions from 1.45 OTA again through the hboot which is the same on 1.45 so will run like it instead of running to HTC and start crying :rolleyes:

P.S. Mike was faster hehe
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
So how come the stock kernel in custom ROMs shows the CPU running at 1.2GHz using 1.72.401.1? Surely it should be 1.5GHz?
[HTC Sensation] mike1986.:
I'm not sure now. Will check it.
[HTC Sensation] M3nti0n:
Because its not an final rom, otherway there would not be an 1.73.401.1 TEST RUU after the 1.72.401.1.

So most likely 1.73.401.1 will have another (test-)kernel with 1.5ghz settings.
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
That's what we're hoping but surely HTC would have sorted this out in their RELEASE RUU! Otherwise it would be a case of false advertising! :D
[HTC Sensation] mdeejay:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/ceb...00U_10.15.9035.02_2_release_214840_signed.exe

RUU_Pyramid_LE_HTC_Europe_1.72.401.1_Radio_10.58.9035.00U_10.15.9035.02_2_release_214840_signed.exe
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
probably because of the explanation i did just one post before ;)
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
That doesn't run at 1.5GHz with the stock kernel - what I'm saying you'd think HTC would had that sorted in THAT RUU

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OK, so if the phones are the same flashing this RUU would show 1.5GHz. But it doesn't so HTC have changed something other than the software to run at 1.5GHz
[HTC Sensation] M3nti0n:
ok, lets just wait for 1.73 and check if it runs on 1.5ghz

thats all we can do speculating about things everyone has his own opinion and do not think it can be true... is just not worth the fight.

Lets wait and see if it runs 1.5ghz
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
not disagreeing with you at all, so what you are saying is that the name could possibly be different on the new xe cpu even though they are the same? and that the kernel looks for this and the version of the cpu is what tells it to run at 1.5 instead of 1.2? or you think a new kernel will be released in this next version that will run at 1.5 independent of the cpu name? just trying to get this straight bc you seem to be very knowledgable
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
yeah because they changed a number to justify that it is a new phone (only my speculation, like they lied with the DSP), it´s all marketing ... but i really don´t know what we are discussing here, the SoC´s have exactly the same specs (ram support, caches and so one ...) and are both able to run 1,5Ghz and like you saw no phone is bricked becausen of that, so let´s concentrate on more interesting things as marketing, names and numbers ;)
[HTC Sensation] mike1986.:
The fact is that CPU in Sensation was meant to run 1.5 GHz from the beginning. It was explained by faux123 already as well. HTC downclocked CPU in Sensation using software method - kernel in this case. MSN8660 is running at 1.5 GHz by default.

That's why I think that HTC Sensation XE has the same CPU just not downclocked anymore.
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
i guess what im trying to figure out is if we are going to be able to install a new kernel from this rom that will allow us non xe users to have that stock kernel run at 1.5 (and yes, i know it's possible with bricked kernel and others, but i want the stock), or if this won't work becuase they put a new name number on the cpu of the xe like you were saying ....
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I agree all I'm saying is there HAS to be a change somewhere to make the XE different from the stock one. Whether it's something that can be unlocked or not is yet to be seen but as it stands there is a difference as our Sensations on the stock kernel only run at 1.2GHz. Just wish Paul's source would hurry up and get the 1.73 RUU uploaded!
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
ya i know its downclocked, just trying to figure out what the diff is.... i guess we will see if its a new kernel once the great people on here are able to dig into this new ruu... thanks mike and eddy and hlenforcer and everyone else for the knowledge
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
Thanks! I speculate that it will be your first point, because i monitored the development and marketing of pyramid all the time and this would make sense. The way i think they managed would be a very good strategy to save money and are able to sell very effective phones ... Of course Qualcomm, as CPU manufacturer will act like all the manufacturers in PC branch and create several development steps of the same cpu (steppings) while they are already on the market available ... To save costs in production and to increase the effectiveness of production process, you must imagine that they start with production, make their cpu wafers and then they got a rate of x% which say´s how many produced cpu´s can be used from this wafer, and they increase this rate over the months, thats also the reason why the same intel cpu sometimes is very sensible and sometimes you get it very high ... lots of steppings available on market, so i dont give that much on a number and dont see this products as different CPU´s because all of them have the same guaranteed frequency but they differ in oc potential and electricity consumption...

but sorry for OT ...

also your second point could be possible, only speculations, we urgently need the 1.73 RUU to clarify :)
[HTC Sensation] rtimoff:
excuse me, anybody have stock 1.72.401.1 kernel-zip?
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16247528&postcount=2

credits goes to badnwz for extracting
[HTC Sensation] biglolz:
anyone else applied the firmware updates with the new RUU? I applied manually and along with the new baseline the gui is much faster - essentially feels as though hw acc has been enabled. Simple test is to drag icons around on the screen, its now just as responsive and an iphone in that regard.
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
this brings me back to a burning question iv always had... when you install a rom (even a stock rooted version) based on an ota or a ruu, it doesn't update firmware like running a ruu does , does it?

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i went to 2.3.4 via installing a stock rooted rom from melvin that was based on the tmo US ota .. i have always figured i didn't get all the firmware upgrades

and since there's no 1.45 ruu for tmobile US available without paying for it, i can't run one to get the firmware
[HTC Sensation] :
You are the savior!
[HTC Sensation] taffypride:
everyone arguing about the 1.72 or even 1.73 RUU not being compatible with our Sensation, let me ask a question?

Is the Sensation XE Z715E even out yet? Have HTC actually put the phone on sale yet? No (however if I am wrong, please prove me so and I'll be man enough to apologise).

Now, taking into account the XE isn't available, wouldn't it only be likely to assume HTC will carry on software updates for the Sensation beyond Android 2.3.3/2.3.4 to, oh I don't know, say Android 2.4.x?

The other arguement I could offer is this....

HTC Hero G2 and the T-Mobile G2 Touch.... both Android 1.5, both identical hardware including the exterior housing, but two different names.

Secondly,

HTC Sensation and HTC Sensation 4G.... again, both Android 2.3.3 (standard), both identical hardware including the exterior housing....but both are still referred to as Pyramid in HTC model speak.

Just my 2cents....

Needless to say, my phone is happily running 1.72.401.1 Test Version and I see no need to change for now unless future updates make the phone even faster and even more responsive....
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
The Z715e XE goes on sale 1st October, along with the white Z710e
[HTC Sensation] taffypride:
ok fair enough.

*puts hands up* :)

However I still think the software between the two will actually be exactly the same, based on hardware specs and everything else, and who knows, when the XE comes out, let's find someone willing to risk flashing that RUU to a standard Sensation/Sensation 4G.... I know I would risk it as a trial... :)
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
These RUUs ARE the XE ROMs, so we're already getting a glimpse of what HTC is doing. I'm hoping the new leak has a newer kernel so we can actually see if 1.5GHz is possible from HTC. If so, then it really IS just a marketing rehash (which we all know it is)
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
Yep thats right, with a normal custom firmware .zip flashed in cwm you normally only get new boot, system and data .img. Applying an RUU will update more partitions like this rpm partition containing hardware specific things and the radio.
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
so its always wise when a new version is released to run the ruu and then your rom if you want a custom one? were there any significant firmware updates in 2.3.4 compared to 2.3.3
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
Assuming the RUU won't bugger things up (e.g. not be rootable)
[HTC Sensation] eyegor:
How can you people be sure that every single bit of hardware is identical?
[HTC Sensation] KrisHilbun:
Because unlike you just posting a simple question without looking around... we did?

It has been confirmed that the handset comes with the MSM8260, a dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC,

Which incidentally is exactly the same as the one used on the Sensation only with a higher clock speed (1.5GHz vs 1.2GHz)!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1265103
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
Yep that´s exactly the my motivation behind flashing every new RUU. from 2.3.3 to 2.3.4 (1.35 to 1.45) there were significant changes that leads to this black screen problems when not applying the needed partitions .... for 1.72 i checked now and the hw specific partitions are the same like in 1.45, so no need to RUU. But we need to look on 1.73, because 1.72 has a pretty old 2.3.3 kernel so i think it is not the retail version...

but of course the first thing is to check the hboot version, i never would flash a new RUU with a new unknown hboot which is not supported by revolutionary, cause then there is a possibility to loose s-off and not to get it back soon.
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
well that sucks then because there is no ruu for tmo us 1.45 so that i can get the latest firmware, just the european version and iv been scared to flash that since its for european devices.. maybe ill wait to flash the new ruu until one is released then for the US would that be the best idea you think? i haven't really had problems with just the rom i flashed that was stock rooted 2.3.4 but i would like to have the latest firmware...
[HTC Sensation] llontop.m:
Don't be scared bro I have tmous sensation and I flashed android rev hd no problem. Everything works. In the rooting guide it explains how to debrand the phone for any region
[HTC Sensation] Dkj7777:
So there is no difference besides the beats app
[HTC Sensation] mike1986.:
There is also bigger battery ;)
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
i know but im talking about flashing the 1.45 european ruu to get the firmware, not just a rom... iv read not to flash a ruu that's not meant for your phone, which the european 1.45 isnt'
[HTC Sensation] biglolz:
how do you figure this? kernel was compiled a week ago?
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
the version of the kernel is one of the original ones that the sensation came with...trust him
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
Can you post the firmware update can't dl the new ruu
[HTC Sensation] mattdub1:
+1 , this would be nice since i dont even have firmware updated from 1.45
[HTC Sensation] d3vilskid:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1218752

here is the firmware update for the 1.45. wondering though if its different in 1.73, feeling adventurous.
[HTC Sensation] eyegor:
I didnt ask whether the soc is the same, but whether EVERYTHING is. HTC hero, Magic and Magic LE all had the same CPU, but differed in other areas...
[HTC Sensation] mishufac:
i want to flash this ruu as it is, but i need to know what are the risks besides losing s-off
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
You won't lose S-OFF but don't flash a test RUU - go for the 1.72.401.1 Release RUU in the Shipped ROMs thread instead. Test RUUs are meant to for developers to make sure they work properly
[HTC Sensation] boa19861105:
This file is private??
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
It's corrupt, read some more of the thread before commenting
[HTC Sensation] sevag00:
I have a ENG Hboot 1.17.2008 (i don't know why i flashed an ENG Hboot). Anyway, can i flash the 1.72 release RUU?
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
Yes, but best to have Super CID first (11111111)

It'll replace the ENG HBOOT with 1.18.0000 so you'll need to use Revolutionary again to get root back
[HTC Sensation] sevag00:
Do you mean i'll get S-on back after flashing this rom?

EDIT: Nevermind, i got the answer to my question.
[HTC Sensation] hlenforcer:
No, like i said earlier the secu flag keeps untouched by the 1.18 bootloader, he let´s you flash everything through botloader mode, only fastbood cmds are locked, so after executing the RUU you only have to flash a new eng hboot as PG58IMG.zip, no need for revolutionary again ... To gain root on the rom again you just need to flash superuser, thats it (if you want to use ethe stock rom)
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
I had to Revolutionary again after flashing the RUU (yes, I did it and yes, it worked fine) as I couldn't flash a new HBOOT without the FASTBOOT commands. Only had to run it once to replace the HBOOT with the Revo one and it was good to go.

But yes, you can do it that way as well. And your way IS quicker - forgot all about it tbh! BUT what I said IS correct, it's just another way of getting another HBOOT on :p
[HTC Sensation] sevag00:
Did anyone else get written "LOCKED" on top of the HBOOT screen after flashing the 1.72 RUU?
[HTC Sensation] EddyOS:
Yep, that's the 1.18.0000 HBOOT