yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Atrix 4G General] andrew1234abc:
Just did the chat thing. They thought sim. When i said to confirm an unlocked phone so i could install APK's he said "Oh our internal memos we cant show you say we invalidate it right now". I closed the window. AN hour later I got a voicemail from a separate man saying to call him and work this out. Not calling.
[Atrix 4G General] thebeardedchild:
Wait what?
[Atrix 4G General] gravewormx:
I think she's talking about unlocking the sim, I doubt a basic AT&T rep even knows what a bootloader is or that the Atrix has one...

does anyone know if they try flashing the phone back to stock? or do they just do a factory reset once they receive it?

cuz if they try flashing it back to stock and the bootloader is unlock, they'll brick it. which they won't be able to charge you :P since it wasn't you bricking it. I guess they'll assume something went wrong in the process.

either way, the two guys that send in their phones let us know how it went and if they charge you. cuz I really want to switch my phone (the screen is completely f***ed up) but can't switch because of the unlock bootloader and I can't afford a new one at the moment.

And seriously I wont feel bad if they brick the phone once i return it since they are charging us an arm and a leg for warranty then they put all their stupid bloatware that drives us to switch out the ROM, then to top it off they lock the bootloader that forces us to unlock it!!! voiding our warranty! but NO, charging us $500 for a phone wasn't enough for them. so seriously F**K EM'!
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Ugh. I want my minute back.

I voided my warranty.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Well...according to this guy...this isn't true...and here is how he did it..

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXc6YYES6Y

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F840M6oAdww

I haven't tried it yet...but.....looks like it can be relocked..

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] elementaldragon:
I still think the whole Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act would fall into place here. They repeatedly said "no physical or water damage". The touchscreen failing to function properly in no way, at least by me, can be seen as being caused by unlocking the bootloader. Now... depending on the ROM used... MAYBE it's a possibility... but then again i still don't recall any software being able to cause damage to hardware. That stuff would usually be fixable by flashing a functional ROM.

and uuh.... JayRolla... pretty sure it's not a PHYSICAL fuse... like the ones we're used to seeing in electronics. Pretty sure it's a metaphorical "fuse".... a bit of code embedded in the phone that's changed under certain circumstances... such as unlocking the bootloader and such. So it's still not PHYSICAL damage to the phone.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
No. Its a one bit fuse. That one bit gets changed theres no other bit to change it back to.

I voided my warranty.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
I sat and struggled to watch both of these videos...and according to what he shows..this puts everything back and re-locks it...Has anyone else done this or tried it ? His links don't work to the full rom..but you can get it off of here so you can still extract it..

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] thebeardedchild:
I dunno what any of this means (which is why I'm in this position at all haha), but so you're saying it IS a physical piece in the phone? So technically, unlocking the bootloader and burning the fuse is physical damage? That sounds bad for me..

But then again people have in fact sent they're unlocked phones back no problem..

Sent from my Motorola Atrix using the Premium XDA App
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Well i dont think its physical like people are thinking. But it is physical. Theres a chip or something that if it this happens or the other then a value changes, but thats your fuse. And if i understand correctly it cant be changed back. I think a lot of people are fogetting moto's bootloader hadnt been overcome yet, because its good. The only reason we have unlocked bootloaders is a moto leak. And you want to undo it. These threads a re getting old quick. Somebody should make a sticky for these, the cyan and the miui noobs and dweebs.

I voided my warranty.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
My question is...if software can change it....then why shouldn't software should be able change it back ? How can it burn anything permanently...unless it is changing the voltages some how..and physically altering the chip ?

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Software changed it because you gave it the right key. Its basically a one way lock. Its a one bit address. Why are people so intent on locking it back up? The warranty thing is a lame reason. I fully support that we should be able to use our device how we want. I get that. For all the good reasons and the apple thing. But to lock it back up just in case you have a problem is unfair to the manufacturer, whether its apple or whoever. Taking the modifications outside of intended design is just setting everybody up for a right to buy and use contract and then i cant imagine how much lamer forums will get. And it seems everybody is doing fine on warranties with actual hardware problems, and im pretty sure the dweebs who overclock or do really 'experimental' things have done fine on warranties yet we still have at least one or two threads a day asking can i lock it back up? The people who help us and give us the instructions for 'outside intended use' things like this should make a 100 question quiz we have to score perfect on before allowed access to that information. I say that, but then we'll have 200 threads a day asking for the answers. And what happens if i still dont pass. Sigh.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] poppygt:
All I did before I took mine back to Best Buy was flash the 1.8.3 Fruitcake and then went to Motorola's site and used their update tool. It removed "unlock" from the bootscreen and removed root while upgrading to Gingerbread. No issues here other than I wish I had kept the phone LOL.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Then apparently you can re-lock them..and it's not permanent...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Sigh. I wish people would read. Moto can check. Heck, even you can check if you unlocked bootloader. I forgot which files you check but if theres a certain number in a certain string, then its burned. If any place that accepted phones for warranty was bright and resourceful enough they could be check.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
I'm sorry...I'm not buying it...one says locked...the other don't...Software is soft ware and if you made a physical change to the phone by doing it...then you would not be able to change back..and it would still be showing unlocked..since it is looking for what ever information is on that chipset...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Then dont buy it. Nobody is twisting your arm. Fact is a fact though. I dont see any threads on any forum saying they locked a bootloader back up and showed a method with the fuse back to default.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
2 things:

I honestly believe that there is a code to lock it, (just like there was a code to unlock it), but we will never see it surface. So once unlocked, you will forever stay unlocked.

Second the "fruitcake" method does not relock the bootloader. All it does is remove the word "unlocked" while booting, but the phone is still unlocked...
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Some one please explain this clearly to me...If it no longer says locked or unlocked...it has changed ...What chip inside this phone dictates wither it is locked..or unlocked...If software can change this...why is it always going to be unlocked once you unlock it...What is preventing it from being re-locked...Some have said it is a fuse...I don't believe this...because you would have to be issuing a command to change the voltages and physically damage a chip inside the phone...If this is true...what command is doing this...? To me...it's just software...If this no longer says it is locked in the bios boot screen...then it isn't unlocked anymore...but back to being locked...The bios is what allows the phone to do what it does...That command has to be all there is to it..I think the hack is there already...and some are mistaking what is really happening...Correct me if I am wrong about this...please...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
No point in explaining it to you. You are going to believe what you want to believe is obvious. And it is explained somewhat i detail in a thread here. It may be able to be locked back up, but nobody is going to spend the time to do it just so you can say told you so at the very least.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
What kind of BS answer is this ? If you don't know...then don't bother giving some smart ass answer to a honest question...Point me to the thread where this is explained in detail...not to one where you or someone else just says so...I am asking to know what chip inside the phone does this ? What code is doing this...? If it is a actual link that somehow gets physically changed...what chip is it ?You haven't provided any real answer to this...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
And i dont know the exact answer nor am i trying to claim to know. In all honesty you sound like a titty baby with your demands. I apologize for not having your milk. If you really want the answer find out yourself, figure out how to lock it back up and start a thread telling us how. Good day sir.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] poppygt:
My local best buy has a manager that turns the phones on and checks the app drawer and software version when I return phones because I milk my 30 days for all its worth. I try to send phones back "looking" stock cus I'm sure he really has no clue what he's looking for. I've never been caught and only been questioned once. I'm sure no one takes the time to actually inspect each device returned. It doesn't really matter if you can relock the bootloader,just make it look good.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Titty Baby...? Demands ?

There is enough misinformation out there about this phone...If wanting to know the truth is being a Titty baby...T.F.B...

and you have said you know...that's the problem...

I don't know...and only have asked for the truth and put down what I suspect is the case...and put links to those that suspect the same thing...Others have made these other claims...

just like you have.

..so...either answer the question or shut up about it..and stop calling people names while your at it..

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
All this time crying for milk and you still havent searched.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Put up...or shut up...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] mvgc3:
OK Mac, let's put it this way: there are two possibilities, one being a physical fuse, and the other being a software only lock.

If it's a fuse, it absolutely cannot be undone. And for what it's worth, it's not unheard of to have this kind of precaution in electronics. The Xbox 360 has the exact same thing, which was used to prevent JTagging after a certain dashboard update.

If it's software, it probably CAN be undone, but it's pretty unlikely that it will, to the point where it's not worth hoping for. All of the best devs spent months trying to UNLOCK it, to no avail. It would just be stupid to expect anyone to try to relock it at this point.

The point is, the risks were very clearly stated in not only the instruction topics on how to unlock it, but in nearly all posts that suggested unlocking it. There are ways "around" it, which were stated a couple times in this topic alone, and if you think that having the "Unlocked" text disappear means that the bootloader isn't locked anymore, give it a shot, though I'm not going to say there's no risk to your phone (heck, I'd probably go with quite the opposite).
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
adb->su->and "cat /sys/firmware/fuse/ReservedOdm" or just open the file in Root Explorer. If you see something like:

10000000000010001000100004000

Here is the mean of some of those numbers: 10000000000010001000100004000 4= BL "unlock" Bootloader Unlock out of warranty unit 0= BL lock

Let us know when you get around to getting around that system file.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Like I said I personally believe that a code can lock just like one can unlock, but I doubt that will ever surface.

Remember we were just jackpot lucky that somebody from Moto leaked the unlocked code, because Moto tried everything in their power to cover that info. (for whatever reason)

The fruitcake flash (in the most simpliest terms) just tricks the fw into thinking that it's locked, but its still not. It's more of a hack for people to return their phones, without getting any warranty backlash.

Like I said I truly believe it's more of a "software" lock and unlock, but for now we only have an unlock method without going back. That is unless Moto leaks a way to lock it back up... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Thanks...now was that so hard to do ?

It's a code lock then...Good...Since Moto has a way of re-locking the Xoom out..it's just a matter of time for them to develop one for us...and us getting it

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I definitely lean more to your opinion crows. It is not a hw lock. I think that is efuse and ti's omap. Nonetheless, its adds to the confusion when searching for answers about bootloaders and doesnt help when "mac" is trying to get somebody to prove something that is hard for us less technicnlly inclined. Nobody is going to take the time to figure it out. If somebody finds.it on accidents, all we can hope for is a way to reproduce it. But as it stands once unlocked always unlocked. And for honesty's sake, it should stay that way.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Actually it was ding ding. You know how many useless bootloader threads there are like this to sift through?

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Maybe Moto has a certain "Men in Black" type way of getting their bootloader team to forget what they worked on.

Or at least some serious Jedi mind ****... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Yes...actually I do...since I have been searching for some actual info on doing this for some time now..long before I even got this phone...and like I said...there is a lot of mis-information out there about it like calling it a hardware fuse...which is not right..that implies that something is burned and a circuit is physically opened on the main board..that has to be physically replaced to be put back to 100% stock...Being a software lock..means something entirely different.

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
No. I think they call it the iphone these days.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
Honesty....? Seriously you jest....if we were being 100% honest about all of this...we wouldn't be posting on this forum...and it wouldn't exist in the first place..

I asked my questions here as to not bug the developers on their forum..They have enough to deal with with their roms and those who don't follow their instructions..

I am not trying to get anyone to

prove or disprove

what is happening on the phone..but asking a legit question which I am entitled to do...wither you think it is adding to the confusion...I can't help that it is of a technical nature that you feel is far too difficult to comprehend by those who post here or those wanting to know the truth...I certainly can understand the difference...

There are various means to do what we all are doing..and each has it's own perils and nothing is cohesive enough or in 1 place that shows what is or isn't happening to these phones...or what should be done for each firmware..

Till that time that it does exist..I will continue to follow this forums protocol..and rely on those here that do have answers to help out..instead of dealing with those being rude and obnoxious in their replies...

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
And not using the search bar?

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Here is the post I dropped in the other thread yesterday answering the same exact question:

"Motorola employs eFuse technology developed by IBM. This allows circuits to be altered at the silicon level physically. There is a chip in the phone which utilizes the IBM eFuse technology and blows a fuse if the stock bootloader cannot be verified."

Software can absolutely cause a fuse to burn out/blow. PLC's control almost every piece of automated equipment you see today, and all this is done through low voltage signalling. It took me maybe an hour of searching to find this information. If anyone wants to refute it, you have the nuts and bolts to get started now!
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Lmao. Im not refuting. I am not sure if the atrix, itself uses efuse. I was under the presumption it is not. Its just lame that somebody cried.and cried.for milk and at the end when he got it, thanked us for his entitlement of knowledge, and lack of appreciation of searching for knowledge.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Oh, I wasn't talking about you, or anyone else in particular. Was just a general statement. I did a sh*t load of searching to find that information, so it's a point for anyone to argue either way now. If you dig long enough and deep enough through websites and white papers you find what you want eventually.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I saw mention of moto using it on phones with ti omap processors. I didnt dig deeper to see what phones use it. Obviously atrix doesnt.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] Mac11700:
This is hardly the case..and I for one have used the search bar on this and many other topics for many different phones...Sorry for your trouble and I do appreciate getting a honest answer from others here with out the smart ass remarks..or name calling

It's people like you are what gives this forum a bad name..

Mac
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Youre welcome.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] matthew5025:
This should answer your questions about the bootloader.

1. The bootloader unlock is PERMANENT! There is no way to undo it. It physically blows a 'fuse'.

2. To "relock" your phone, flash the stock bootloader. The Unlocked text does not display because the stock bootloader can't do it as moto did not programme the stock bootloader to reconise an unlocked phone BUT

YOUR PHONE IS STILL UNLOCKED

!

3. As proof, you can check your fuses by running cat "/sys/firmware/fuse/ReservedOdm" as root.

See the last 8 digits? That is known as ReservedODM [0] or Odm [0]

See a "4" in there? Your bootloader is unlocked.

NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT WILL REMAIN THAT WAY.
[Atrix 4G General] Red-Hawko:
Im having problems when my Wildfire S shows me option for new software update,

i click ok, phone restarts, shows android logo and progress bar of instalation, but after second progress bar dissapear and with logo now i can see just red triangle (update failed and just one option is remove battery and start phone without new update)

Can help someone?
[Acer Iconia A500] pacificwing:
Hey,

I'm looking for an app that can re-size and crop photos. It's a pretty basic requirement, but I've yet to find an app that can do both.

Am I missing something that this staring me in the face, or does such an app really not exist?

-PW
[Acer Iconia A500] drkalo:
You could use Samsung photo editor

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=17146726#post17146726

Or you can search the market with "resize image" - gives lots of results.
[Acer Iconia A500] pacificwing:
This doesn't show up in market. I assume I need to get the app through an alternate source?

Or does it only work with the galaxy?
[Acer Iconia A500] drkalo:
Forgot to tell you that Samsung photo editor requires root in order to install. I've updated my post with a link.
[Acer Iconia A500] NoHousePhone:
My favorite photo editor is PicSay. There is a free version. I got lucky the pro version was free on amazon app market a while ago.
[Acer Iconia A500] pacificwing:
Thanks for the link. It looks like it may be what I need, but unfortunately it doesn't appear to run reliably on my device. It is rooted, but it force closes after a few seconds.

Yes, I've tried a number of searches with many results. Unfortunately, very few of those results are actually useful. It seems the tablet is still a little behind when it comes to image software. Most of the results are toys and gimics.

Ideally, I was hoping for a simple crop/resize tool, and was very surprised to find so few applications that performed these two basic functions. I thought I might be missing something.

Guess I'll be waiting a bit.
[Acer Iconia A500] pacificwing:
I tried the free version. It didn't re-size or crop, from what I could tell. It seemed to just allow adding balloons and icons and stuff.

Are actual photo editing features included in the pro version?
[Acer Iconia A500] NoHousePhone:
Re size and crop is part of the pro. Sorry about that.
[Acer Iconia A500] pacificwing:
It seems only two of the lib files actually copied. After I recopied all of the lib files, the app started working.

Thanks again.

-PW
[Acer Iconia A500] erica_renee:
I have pic say.and image shrink.
[Acer Iconia A500] sawamura:
currently im using QuickPic as my default pic browser..

i cant paste the link here as my post count is not enough yet.. so try to search it in market..

much much much better than stock pic browser..

you can easily arrange the filing and folder as you can copy, cut n paste pictures within the apps itself..

it also provides cropping for pictures if that is what you want..

try it.. to me its the best pic browser.. (and pic cropping tools) :D
[Acer Iconia A500] drkalo:
Yeah, QuickPic is really nice - supports crop but not resize as requested from the op.
[HD2 Android Themes and Apps] sids8065:
Hi Please follow the instructions to the word. If this topic has been covered before, I apologize and I will delete it, if you let me know.

What you need.

1) HD2 running Gingerbread 2.3

2) Google Voice Account which is running on your phone. You have to be logged on.

Steps :

1) Download sipdroid from market

2) open sipdroid and you will see at the bottom, link to pbxes (not the exact words but you get the picture). Tap that

It Opens a box which already has your Google account in it.

3) Enter you google password (yes google password..no way around it)

4) follow the steps. Your ipbex account will be created and Gv trunk will be added. (You will not see any of this but this is a background process)

5) After a few minutes it is back on the home screen of sipdroid and you will see a green dot on the task bar.

Now is the important part :

6) Hit menu on sipdroid.

7) Once the menu screen is up , hit menu again and hit export.

8) Close sip droid.

9) Open file explorer and goto sipdroid folder on Sd card

10) Copy the file to your computer/ email it or whatever you like.

11) Open the the file with notepad

12)Look for user name and password and note it down. password is case sensitive.

13) domain is pbxes.org

14) Almost done. Got to your android settings and go into call settings.

15) Add new account for internet calls. put in the login and password and server.

16) Additional settings..change port to 5061

17) hit back button. and the account will be authenticated. check the receive calls box. Hit back button.

18) Use the options based on your choice. For me it is ask everytime I make a call so it pops up if I want to make call via internet or cellular network. Use your own preference. I dont have data plan and only wifi.. your situation might be different.

19) In google voice settings, turn off use for calls

20) Start calling and all outgoing calling will go over your internet connection if you so choose and using your GV number.

21. Uninstall sipdroid
[HD2 Android Themes and Apps] rayonxlent:
is it 2.3 only or 2.3.x?
[HD2 Android Themes and Apps] sids8065:
any gingerbread version should be ok. SIP calling is integrated into the OS
[HD2 Android Themes and Apps] rayonxlent:
ok next question sorry for sounding like a pain in the as but does it work for international calls?