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[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Except the only quadcore coming out relatively soon is the Tegra 3, and that's barely an upgrade since very few apps are optimized for multicore use. Tegra 3 uses the exact same cores as the Tegra 2 built on the 40nm process with a slightly upgraded GPU. On the other hand, both TI and Qualcomm are dropping down to the 28nm process with Qualcomm building it with a brand new architecture as well. By moving onto the 28nm process, the power draw should be significantly lower relative to an SoC built on the 40nm process. In terms of single core performance, the A9 Cortex the Tegra 2/3 uses manages 2.5 DMIPS (Dhrystone Millions of Instructions per Second) while the new Qualcomm manages 3.3. The Cortex A15, which hasn't been fully detailed yet, should manage 3.5 DMIPS according to rumors. The Tegra 3 will still be stuck on single channel RAM while every other SoC has or will move on to dual channel memory.

On the GPU side of things, Nvidia states that the Tegra 3 GPU has 3x the performance of the Tegra 2 GPU. Tegra 2 pulls off 3.2GFLOPs currently. That puts the Tegra 3 at ~10GFLOPS if Nvidia is to be believed. The current PowerVR SGX 543MP2 that the iPad 2/4GS already pulls off 12.8GFLOPs. The new Adreno 225 GPU that will be paired with Qualcomm's Krait SoC coming out early next year pulls off a whopping 32 GFLOPS. And the 2xx series of Adreno GPUs are still based on the old architecture. Q2/3 2012, they'll be releasing a brand new architecture for their Adreno GPUs as well.

Finally the new Qualcomm SoC supports LTE FDD/TDD Cat. 3 (100mbps), UMTS, CDMA, TD-SCDMA (for Chinese markets), and GERAN (GSM/EDGE).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4940/qualcomm-new-snapdragon-s4-msm8960-krait-architecture/1

Finally, even the N1 has a more active Dev community compared to the Atrix at the moment. That may or may not change in time, but the fact is that Atrix development is stagnant.
[Atrix 4G General] Alcapone263:
do you guys really think that complaining about how slow the development for the Atrix is, is going to help us out any? if anything all the *****ing and moaning happening about it is going to drive more devs away; if you want things done for your phone, do it yourself. otherwise just be patient and wait for the goodies to come. the devs we do have are working their asses off for us, and everyone needs to realize that this is their hobby. they do this on their free time. they all have work and families that come first.

i personally don't care if the Atrix ever goes farther than it has now, it plays every single app i install on it perfectly with no lag; it has amazing battery life; it has a working CM7 ROM (even though it's a beta, it runs amazingly smooth); AND it has what no other phone out there has, a fingerprint scanner. it might not be the best phone out there, but it's a unique phone with great specs that will last me and most other users quite some time. maybe people should stop worrying about whether or not their phones are future proof, and just enjoying what they have at the moment.

also, one of my best friends has a Galaxy S2. i get jealous of all the cool things his phone has that mine doesn't; but you know what? i show off my phone to him, and he's jealous of mine just as much as i'm jealous of his. you know what else? neither of us would swap our phones out. i love my Atrix, i'd love it if it were stock and i love it even more now that it's hacked. i hate to wait for updates, but i know i wouldn't even know where to start off trying to develop something for my phone, so i'm just gonna be patient and wait for the goodies to come...
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
I'm not complaining, merely stating a fact. The guy I was responding to stated that devs changed phones a lot due to how fast technology moves. I countered with the fact that the N1 still has a vibrant dev community beating even our own even though the phone is ancient relatively. The Atrix was a letdown for me, and I am merely waiting for the Nexus before jumping ship.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
The phone may have been a letdown for you, but the only real issue the Atrix had was the locked bootloader. That scared too many Devs away initially. I mean you can't really "dev" that much when the BL is locked.

Even after the BL became unlocked, it was disappointing that the carriers didn't unlock it on the GB update. So that limits more end users as well.

Fortunately CM7 (final) and ICS is enough to keep my Atrix around for a while. Which is good because I hate paying early adoptor prices on any phone...
[Atrix 4G General] Sinful Animosity:
Look what the Droid X accomplished. There's no reason to hide behind the locked bootloader excuse. I think if this phone was on Verizon, it would have gotten so much more attention.
[Atrix 4G General] Phoneguy589:
I think after At&t did great with the iPhone they should try to be the ones to get the newest and greatest phones first. But because their network allows surfing while talking I don't think they would have been able to keep up with the demand load if they had been able to get the same phones as verizon. Maybe when the TMobile merer goes through and they start putting out true 4G LTE, we might start seeing more of the Android phone manufacturers launching the same phone on both carriers.
[Atrix 4G General] jivester024:
Pretty much no phone (or any piece of tech) is future proof. However, I bought the Atrix because I believed at the time (last March) that it had staying power. As long as devs or OEMs are updating the OS and keeping it current, the phone has plenty to keep me interested. Honestly the Prime still doesn't seem to have the specs to make me want to buy a new one yet. Less battery, same RAM, slightly faster processor, same MP camera (I understand it is better), makes it an appealing but not persuasive device. As long as my Atrix gets ICS, I am waiting for an even better device. That is my idea of decently future proof :-)
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
My previous post was geared towards GSM only phones...
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Well phone performance is getting ridiculous. Id like to see phones that have accessories/software like lapdock/webtop. All this performance has to go somewhere. The phone becoming a mobile cpu in the sense you take it with you and its your processing power anywhere is awesome. Otoh, dual channel performance in phones right now is moot. Taking advantage of double data rate uses more power. Laptop owners have to consider this when 2/3/4 slots of ram are available. A person who uses 4 slots wonders why they get less time on battery than someone with less/same ram but only uses two slots. Wonderful technological world we are gravitating towards. Lots of possibilities.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Uhh I don't think you understand what dual channel means. If a chipset supports dual channel memory, it will be enabled on the mobo regardless of how many ram slots are filled as long as there is more than 1 ram stick installed. 4 slots uses more than 2 slots because each stick of RAM draws power. Dual channel memory does NOT consume more power. It merely doubles the available bandwidth for data transfer.
[Atrix 4G General] spiritcrusher33:
Had the inspire. Loved the built quality and dev support hated the batt life. Moved to the atrix. Fast phone. Etc but never like moto. Fast forward.now have the infuse. Best phone for me atm. Even stock.. love the screen. Does everything I need.. even have a dell streak to play with. But the infuse gets my attention more. But why worry bout how the phone will perform a year from now.? I'm sure gingerbread or even ics will run just fine on the infuse.. one thing I have learned don't follow hype.. dualcore while nice. Is really not needed right now.. god I'm feeling like I been here before. Lol oh the pc market. Lol hardware always was ahead of software. Benchmarks aside. Look at was my 3 year old asus laptop can run. Right now..not much diff when it was new running vista.cept with win 7 it runs better.lol
[Atrix 4G General] BravoMotorola:
There is no such thing as future proof. The second the Atrix even came out there were better phones in development and there're probably way better phones than the Nexus Prime in development right now. That's why everyone just needs to buy a phone and go with it.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Uhm, better check again. Each stick or ram draws it s own power. To get the double data rate you need two sticks of ram. You cant double with only one stick. Period. You only get double data from two sticks even if you have 3 sticks of ram, but still draw 3 times as much power. Id rather have one stick of ram for the time being. Laptop users who use desktop replacements but still need the mobility are the guys that will pay $1000 or more for the latest biggest sticks of ram if itll get them 30 more minutes on their battery. Just because a stick is labeled DDR you dont get the speed boost unless its paired up. Even as powerful as mobiles are getting, honestly why do we need 20 gigs of throughput or whatever? Whats next? Daisy chaining mobile phones for 3 monitor support? Somebody call Max Headroom.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I just reread my post and yours. There may be confusion to both our posts. I was implying that if we double data rate, that two sticks of ram have to be used. Thus more power draw. You cant get double data rate with only one stick of ram. Thats why many netbooks are hindered. They could have a little more oomph but limited to single channel but you still get benefit of more battery because of lesser power draw.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
The tegra SoC is the only modern SoC still stuck on 1 x 32-bit LPDDR2. Also, Mobile RAM does not work the same way that desktop/laptop RAM does. There is no individual sticks/slots to be inserted. So no, dual channel SoCs do NOT draw more power. RAM draws the least amount of power by far out of all the essential parts of a system. Even on a normal desktop/laptop system, each stick draws 2W max. Finally, the power consumption of dropping down to a 28nm process vs the outdated 40nm process the Tegra 3 is being built on will lead to much lower power consumption. Tegra 3 is almost exactly the Tegra 2 with 2 more cores, a slightly upgraded GPU, and added NEON instructions. The new TI and Qualcomm chips will be significantly faster per core, much lower power consumption, and a much better gpu.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I know what youre saying about the ram. No sticks. But you still need the other ram on the ram on board to get the double data rate. It could be 1x8 gigs or 2x4gigs but you only get the extra throughput with the 2x4. And im not looking forward to tegra 3 in a phone. Just doesnt do it for me. Even if was 28nm. I got my eyes on qualcomm for many reasons. Not just cpu/gpu. Also interested in texas instruments chip. Dont know much about how it performs and texas instruments is 15 miles away from me so its a local economy and production thing too. I know they dont produce here, but some of the engineering goes on.

Funny how this thread keeps spiraling towards performance. Development makes a device future proof. If nokia had development theyd have a forum here too probably. I wonder if we'll get some meego support over here though nokia isnt going to officially sell the n9 in the states. It looks really good and couldve done something, heck maybe even two years ago. 3-4 years ago and android might be in nokias spot.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Actually, that's wrong about the RAM. Regardless of whether the SoC is dual channel or not, they all use the same number of modules for a certain amount of RAM. For instance at 1GB of ram, it's probably something like 4 256MB modules. No one makes 1GB modules of RAM at the moment. So with a Tegra SoC, it would be 4 modules in 1 channel. In other SoCs, it would split the modules, 2 in each channel. So the power consumption of RAM modules would still say the same, even though RAM uses so little power in the first place. We're talking less than 1% of total power consumption.
[Atrix 4G General] Phoneguy589:
Best way to future proof a phone is for manufactures to allow access to board replacements....Newer chips? Ok, pop in this board with quadcores more ram keep your case. I think the screens are good enough for a few years and 4.5" really is probably the biggest phone I'd want to carry around.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
Thought about that too bjt it aint going to happen. Hands arent small enough. And theres the corporate profit thing.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] edgeicator:
Would never happen. What you're describing are the various product releases in between major refreshes. Atrix=bionic=photon=D2X etc.
[HTC Inspire 4G] MartyLK:
I'm seeing consistently over 1600 scores on standard Quadrant on my stock, unrooted Inspire running 2.3.3.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Hiyabuz:
Lol

..... ten figures

sent from my Inspire 4G running ClearDroid 1.1.51
[HTC Inspire 4G] Tx Redneck:
What, that's perfectly legit synthetic benchmark score I posted.

Everyone knows quadrant can't be made to show better than the phone should be capable of. :p

Saved and Texan by the grace of God, Redneck by choice.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Hiyabuz:
Just thought it was funny is all. Highest I've seen on mine is around 1700 but I'm not overclocking or anything

sent from my Inspire 4G running ClearDroid 1.1.51
[HTC Inspire 4G] ranklepup:
I usually hit 3k no big deal...

There is no perfect way to calculate the power of a phone and it is completely subjective. If you love the phone then that is a good enough reason to have it.

I know there are cooler phones with Tegra 2's, but why do I need that in my phone? I mainly use it for texting and web access and/or tethering to my Transformer.
[HTC Inspire 4G] Jake33108:
OC @ 2.0ghz Performance governor.
[HTC Inspire 4G] zelendel:
Ok guys.we all know quadrent scores mean bupkiss. So no need for these threads LOL

Thread xlosed
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] TLRtheory:
The touch-pad just doesn't feel... natural. Trying to walk forward always sends me shooting off in some weird diagonal direction. This actually happens with all primary directions (up, down, left, right of course). The only way I can use the touch-pad to make Astrian walk forward is if I let off the pad completely and angle my tap so that it's on that extreme polar north point of the touch-pad - I can never simply swivel to upwards and have his movement reflect my motion.

I know Gameloft isn't always top-notch for quality assurance, but this is something they've gotten right in all their other games. Sacred Odyssey controls like a dream... Gameloft has trouble with aiming controls on FPS (sometimes) but the movement's always been on point.

...so why now? Am I the only one with this issue?

Kinda sucks because Eternal Legacy's pretty much my favorite Android game. Gameloft did give me a free game to compensate for the issue... but I'd honestly rather them just fix the issue so I can play my favorite Droid title without error.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] subcu1ture:
One of the many reasons why I will never buy another game from FAILoft.

I think they are more concerned about their iPhone user experience than Android/Xperia Play.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] vemoxy:
YES! I have this problem too. Always go in either top left or top right direction. Only able to move forward by releasing my finger, placing it on the dot, then sliding upwards. Once I go left or right, boom.

I reflashed my firmware and I'm not gonna reinstall the game even when I havent complete it.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Blessi360:
problem

yeah i had the same problem
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
I have a sort of similar problem with the view controls in the game. Whats strange is though is the controls are fine then randomly after a battle they screw up. If I restart the game they usually fix themselves.

I chalked it up to Gameloft bugginess, I had an earlier problem with the game where it was randomly crashing, but then it just went away so I just said whatever.
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] Rogue Leader:
This damn game make me want to drop kick my Xplay with anger!

It has been force closing again, and of course its right after I beat a tough boss character (the dog looking guy, while the next monster is walking up). The game seems to like to crash at the worst times, why can't it crash when i'm like walking around a desert or something!
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] speedyink:
there's a reason you can usually get these games for 99 cents..
[Xperia Play Themes and Apps] narflynn619:
That, my young Padawan, is the way of Gameloft.
[Android Software Development] Craig m:
Hi Everyone,

Im new so go easy lol

Im wanting your help with regards to my thesis im doing at University. Im conducting an experiment with regards to people interacting with my andriod application. Its going to be the most simplistic application and probably only needs 1 button ie 'enter' and Im wanting to find out if there are any ready made andriod apps out there, fully sourced etc for editing and publishing... Or starter kits that input the code for you. I have no software dev experience and could use some help, as I say im just looking for a smal app with just one button that says "enter" really, but allows me to put a logo on... quite basic :)

If anyone can help with this, that would be greatly appreciated.

Craig
[Android Software Development] alostpacket:
Welcome to XDA :)

In the Android SDK (Software Development Kit) There are usually about 5-10 example apps for each version of Android (such as Android 2.2 or Android 3.0)

They are very simple, such as a notepad app, or a business card manager. And they are great ways to learn if you dissect them and poke around.

Have a look here to get started:

http://developer.android.com/resources/index.html

Good luck!
[Android Software Development] Craig m:
Thanks very much, thats really much appreciated :)
[Android Software Development] Rootstonian:
If your app is indeed that simple, private message me if you need something coded.
[Android Software Development] Craig m:
That great, thanks very much. I have just sent a quick message.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clnorth:
Have a G2/Tmobile which updated to Gingerbread, hated it. Did the process for downgrading to 2.2. worked great but now how do I keep it there? read about renaming otacerts.zip but that it drains battery. Any other suggestions? It's also rooted with Visionary.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilcuber:
Well you can go into the settings and turn off check for updates. You can also delete the desire z updater app with titanium backup
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clnorth:
I should also mention as soon as I go into Settings>About Phone>System Updates, it's already downloading and there is no option to turn off. I have the SIM card out currently so its only halfway downloaded. I have ADB installed but haven't been able to find which System file is responsible for checking in for updates to remove/rename, if anyone knows?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dapprman:
Mine prompted me both for downloading the upgrade and installing it. I hope it does the same as it should be on it's way back to me from HTC (via Vodafone UK) having been officially downgraded and I most certainly do not want the official upgrade on again.
[HTC Sensation] wanted008:
Hello,

My vibration is not working at all it was working perfectly fine previously.

Please help.
[Windows 8 General] iccy:
The new windows 8 will have arm tegra support, will I be able to install windows 8 on my xoom?
[Windows 8 General] patass:
we'll see when it comes out.
[Windows 8 General] VaKo:
The first public beta should be out within a month or so, and if you know where to look you should be able to find the very early alpha/beta leaks. I have no idea what level of work would be required to boot it on existing hardware or even if it's possible with the kit we have today
[Windows 8 General] kenfly:
As far as I know, the main idea of windows 8 was the ability to run on a MUCH LARGER range of devices and architectures. They demoed win 8 on a ARM tablet a long time ago. Who knows what they have accomplished since then. All i know is that we would have a lot of re-partitioning to do on our xooms to fit win 8 on our limited /system partitions. But then again, idk if it will run on a Linux kernel. I only know the basics.

Just my 2¢
[Windows 8 General] :
It could be run native, but I don't think it'll happen. The biggest loophole for Windows Phone 7 to be ported to Android is the fact that it's closed source. Therefore, there isn't been any developer trying to get WP7 running on an Android-phone. And therefore, I think the same loophole applies for Windows 8.
[Windows 8 General] kenfly:
I totally forgot about it being closed source. >.> ....Well if win8 is put on a tegra device nativley(spelling?), then could porting it to our device be easier?
[Windows 8 General] :
Yes, then it would be easier. Someone ported WebOS to an Android-phone that had nearly the same hardware despite being closed source, so it COULD be possible if it was put on Tegra2. But I doubt that, since Kal El is coming.
[Windows 8 General] rockbio:
Its not windows 8 running on tegra...its the drivers....i don;t know who is gonna go through all the troubles making specific drivers for xoom...only thing i could hope for is that windows 8 has a big database for generic drivers that works...
[Windows 8 General] kenfly:
well windows 8 dev downloads are available at 8pm PT (2hours from now) would we know about preloaded generic drivers then?
[Windows 8 General] kenfly:
As per Engadget's review of win 8
[Windows 8 General] djshady07:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHrcz7zcm_8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Windows 8 General] Salpula:
I have the dev build, if I put it on a usb stick can't I just set my xoom to boot from usb ;)

Kidding, Kidding. Anyway, I was thinking that since the xoom supports USB host, and should supports ARM, it should be installable like a normal computer if you can somehow boot the installer - and assuming there is at least basic driver support for the necessities.

I suppose they would also need to release an ARM build.
[Windows 8 General] domineus:
in essence yes

or even if there is a running arm version all we would really need is the install.wim...nothing else is really super important

But I am thinking that Microsoft is being strict with ARM because they may be designing it specifically for oems, so they may not have a general vendor license like with Microsoft laptops/computer/netbook
[Windows 8 General] RedLineJoes:
Yes Win8 will support ARM. No, the current dev build does not contain that code. The build number will be higher, they don't even have the setup done for ARM support yet. Windows 8 is not Windows 7 and will not be bound by the same restrictions when it comes to hardware as previous Windows versions have been. This includes application development. It will be easier then ever to create applications by simply using HTML5 and CSS3 for example.

When Windows 8 ARM support code does make its way into our hands I will be pushing this onto Tegra2 (Atrix4G) hardware asap. Stay tuned, because as soon as MS gives me the code I'm working on the port/drivers. Because these devices are SoC's you are not going to run into the same level of hardware issues with drivers as you may have previously. With a SoC, your support for that ARM SoC will/should include support for the entire SoC, nothing less. You should expect that at least. This includes, audio, video, network, etc. Everything is included on chip now. Welcome to the future folks. Forget what you thought it took to build a computer and realize that now everything is built onto a single chip die. It's really impressive. So impressive that IBM is now stacking these SoC's together with 3M adhesive which dessipates heat. This means you can have a CPU up to 1000 times faster than we have now and still not use up hardly any power or physical space in the package. Times are changing for sure.

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