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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
But do we really need a dual core CPU which will just eat into battery life? Surely a 1ghz processor is more than enough to run WP7 (HD2 is proof) so a 1.5Ghz single core is more than plenty. Also again surely 480x800 is plenty (HD2 is proof) and YouTube reviewers of Titan said you can't see pixels on the 4.7" display. We don't need to be able to play 720p videos on our screens as the resolution is only WVGA remember.

So, I think the Titan is a great upgrade. Bigger screen, thinner, faster, WiFi tethering, better camera, front facing camera, better sound (5.1) etc.

I paid £500 for my sim free HD2 on launch date. I am tempted to sell it and put money towards Titan.

The only thing I dislike about the Titan is the double edge bezel design above the screen. Its horrible and does not match the bottom of the phone and thus spoils

the look.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
Bigger screen isnt better, its larger, and may suite some folk an not others, i wouldnt shell out 500 on half an inch

Your right about the dual core, we dont even know how WP could deal with such a thing, but what is missing from the S2 Snapdragons is the GPU/memory the Adreno 220 is between 100% to 400% faster than the S2 Adreno 205 which is slightly faster than the Adreno 200 we have, there is also the memory and power consumption improvments.

Shelling out 500 on a device that is 2 generations obsolete before it even hits the shelves (S4 on its way which also comes in single, dual and quad core an over x16 improvment in speed over our HD2 and significant battery drainage reduction) sounds more like HTC trying to clear Snapdragon S2 stock rather than provide us with a new device, we would be getting a minimal improvment over the HD2.

Its like me trying to sell you today a 3GHz Intel Prescott CPU for the full ~£300 it cost AS NEW ~6/7 years ago, "But its new, its never been used before so why wouldnt you pay that price? it is after all faster than a ATOM CPU?"

Where did you get this 5.1 sound business? i didnt see HDMI output on the spec, just curious,

Its 1.1mm thiner, 10mm Longer and 3.6 mm wider and a few grams heaver, 1.1mm thiner isnt much to shell out 500 quid on
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
Some good valid points. As for the 5.1 reference, this is taken straight from HTC's site.

Multimedia

See photos from your camera, Facebook and Windows Live™ accounts in the Pictures hub

Music and Videos Hub powered by Zune lets you listen to radio, download music, and more

SRS enhancement

5.1 surround sound for video
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
I don't believe that. I can clearly see the pixels on my HD2, so why wouldn't I be able to see them on a device with an even lower PPI?

EDIT: Also, I actually don't think it's dual core.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
curious, as far as i am aware Bluetooth doesnt transmit 5.1, a 3.5mm Jack sure as hell cant, perhaps there is some sort of USB pass through

I wonder what exactly they mean.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
Hmm, im not sure, as far as i know The world of PPI,DPI Dot Pitch can get quite confusing, especially without all the facts.

by having a set resolution over a larger screen would decrease the outputed PPI

however the screen may have a significantly higher DPI and with some clever use of interpolation and Dithering may "hide" that, it also depends on distance from the screen, generally speaking the larger the screen the further away you are from it, if i get close enough to a Iphone 4 i will see them. if i hold an iphone at arms length you will not beable to see the difference between an HD2 and iPhone. Theres lots of variables including your own eyes so dont count it out until you see it.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
Sure, HTC may be using some kind of tricks to mask the low DPI of the Titan. But I haven't seen the device IRL so I wouldn't know about that.

No-one holds the device an arm's length away, though. Hold an Iphone and an HD2 at a comfortable distance, and the difference in PPI will be very visible, assuming you have average eyesight.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] sb2003:
exactly what he said. No need for swap yet... :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
well i have certified perfect eye sight i can cant see a difference at a comfortable distance, most people hold phones and books far too close to their eyes and do not even know it, it places a lot of strain on them which isnt good for you.

what i can see is that on SOME specific types of pictures it does display colour banding.

Go sit 6 inches from your TV screen and see how long you can last before you get a headache :)

anyhow, point is, the PPI on the device is a mute point until you can actually see it. Still wouldnt consider getting it as new just yet, not worth the cash for a small upgrade, and i think the half inch extra screen is a waste too, HD2 is plenty large enough.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] michael.hu:
Yea, I agree with you, HD2 still the king! :D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] N8ter:
I can't believe you're even debating this. It's astonishing, really.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
What's astonishing is people passing judgement on something none of us have seen

oh an at ~12 inches you would not be able to tell the difference, physical constraint of a 20/20 eye. You would need to bring it to within 6 inches to see a noticable difference which would give you eye strain,

Im no big fan of the Titan but slating it because of PPI, which is a useless measure unless you take in to account viewing distances is pointless.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] antaed:
tempting but not enough to take my hd2's place :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Sense people seem to be talking PPI, see this post;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=17350296#post17350296
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
Agreed. There is no way of seeing the pixels from average viewing distance.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] .seb.:
Every upcoming mango device is just an option with a nice price... and a better camera!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
isnt a very nice price an ill hold judgement on the camera until i see the optics, a 5MP camera is fine but its not good without good optics.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mlococo:
I'm not buying new hardware that is nearly thea same as my HD2.

Glad to see I'm not alone in this... I do not understand the dismal hardware. I keep hearing it said "But with WP7 you don't NEED... blah blah blah etc..." DON'T CARE! I WANT the BEST hardware! Nice that they finally added the FFC that they should have added last year. Nice to get a slightly larger display... But sorry it's NOT good enough. Give me hardware like the SAMSUNG Note! I want Dual-Core and a hi-res 5.3" Screen! It is beautiful just running the wrong OS (for me)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
Dual core for a tablet... Yes. Dual core for a phone... Is it really necessary? WP7 is fast enough on our HD2. No need for dual core to play 720p videos as screen is only WVGA.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] LuckTR:
Well, first time that I was on the fence since purchasing HD2 happened with introduction of Samsung Galaxy Tab.

I love WP7 but specs of Note are exactly what works for me. See here:

-Standard battery, Li-on 2,500 mAh

-5.3” WXGA (1280 x 800, 285 PPI) screen* HD Super AMOLED

-Full touch + S Pen (Advanced smart pen)

-Main(Rear) : 8 MP with LED Flash / Front : 2 MP Action Shot, Beauty, Panorama Shot, Smile Shot

... and more.

If Sammy does not make similar thing for WP7 then I may convert...untill someone brings WP7 rom on my Galaxy Note.

Long Live HD2!!:cool:
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] naijaguy:
no other android phones have been able to run WP7 since the HD2?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] LuckTR:
Frankly, I am not aware of any device other then HD2 that can unnatively run WP7 pretty much flawlessly. Think it's due to similar architecture with native WP7 phone, HTC HD7 (only my opinion though). Either way, if there's other non WP7 device that runs WP7 fluently, I am eager to learn its' name. Until then, HD2 rules them all:D
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
yeah, that and it was an initial test device for HTC ;)

im not aware of any other non native device running WP

My Hd2 taken a bit of a beating over its life time, might consider getting a new one since this Titan is only marginally better,,,, hmmm decisions! :)

but that in its self is very telling

Why cant i easily choose between a device that had WP hacked in to it, that doesnt even work correctly, over a native device with slightly better specs, if i were HTC id be concerned by that....... but im not so im not :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mentjens:
The major problem with the HD2 and WP7 is the battery drainage.

If there was a solution I would stick with the HD2.

Now I am thinking of bying the new Titan. Its has a 2500 ma battery.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
1600mAh, not 2500.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
Surely these new features warrant an upgrade to the Titan.

None of them appear on HD2...

Front facing camera for video calling

Better rear camera with better optics

DLNA media streaming to TV/PC

Larger screen

Faster CPU

5.1 Surround Sound (somehow)

SLCD screen

Faster GPRS, Edge and 3G

Larger batter

Longer standby and talktime

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4027&idPhone2=2957
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] dazza9075:
Front facing camera for video calling

Personal taste, Have never and will never use it

Better rear camera with better optics

I Do hope so, but i want hands on with the optics before passing judgment :)

DLNA media streaming to TV/PC

Ill give you that :)

Larger screen

Personal taste, looks too big, will need to get hands on with it before passing judgment

Faster CPU

Ill give you that

5.1 Surround Sound (somehow)

I have absolutely no idea how either:?)

SLCD screen

Give you that

Faster GPRS, Edge and 3G

An that

Larger battery, Longer standby and talktime

an this, presuming it lasts longer than our HD2 :)

£500 quid for a slightly longer lasting battery, betting looking screen, 500MHz, media streaming an a quicker GPS connection. Still seems rather steep, a big plus is the camera IF they have done a good job with it, a low light picture will tell all so shall need to wait for some reviews on that one
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] LuckTR:
no T-mo 1700/2100Mhz = no T-mo 3g = disappointed T-mo USA customer =(
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] tboy2000:
I just got back from a press event in London. Carphone Warehouse were showcasing lots of tech from major manufacturers. HTC were there with there Titan, Radar, Evo 3D, Sensation with beats audio etc. I had a good play with the Titan. Wow! To see it is to love it. What a wonderful phone. The huge screen is a joy. The screen res is not an issue at all - you don't notice any pixels. Even my die hard Apple fan I was with (who takes the micky about my WP7) was seriously impressed with the Titan. Seriously it is an impressive phone. I think I will sell my HD2 at some point and put my money towards a Titan. Camera was good and panorama feature was easy to do. Fast phone. Good blacks. The huge screen is just great!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] hmcsoft:
Titan

Will go with Titan just because of the cpu, but HD2 is never going to be in a dust.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] win98:
i think i will keep my hd2. maybe when the titan is getting cheaper, about the halft price. But i think then there will be really goog wp7 phone available with dual core, hdmi, removable SD. Then i would spend that amount of money
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] mlococo:
But why do Windows Phone users have to settle for the low end? Why are there NO HIGH-END Flagship Phones? Seems like everyone is used to getting third rate treatment and are afraid to speak up! I, for one, have been complaining my ass off all over the Internet! If everyone spoke up maybe we could see some real hardware come out!

---------- Post added at 05:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:56 PM ----------

I bought my HD2's the day it came out... I only bought t because I needed something to get me through until the WP7 Phones came out. I love my HD2 but I wasn't planning on keeping it for 2 years. HD2 was the best phone on the market when I bought it. Funny how it has nearly the same specs as the new WP7's being released 2 years later. Why is it that Windows Phones are the only technology that haven't adhered to Moore's Law?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Nela:
I plan to keep my HD2 until it dies!

No other phone, even with all their fancy bells and whistles can compare to the super flexible Leo. I like WP7 a lot! However, having the flexibility of switching OS just because, and as often as I feel like it.... PRICELESS!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] lemonspeakers:
+1 I agree!

Im not a HUGE fan of the hd2, but my only reason why i keep it is because it is the most flexible phone ever!

I plan to keep my hd2 until it dies as well... quite literally.

new WP7 handset can have amazing hardware, but HD2's hardware is practically more than enough. It is not dated according to WP7 recommendation.

drivers (multitouch, etc) is what needs improvement, but even so, multitouch already works great, just not amazing like a native WP7 device.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] sunnyloves:
Just Get HD2 to substitute my G1 .
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] stepthehen:
See the signature

See subject bar.

As an aside, lots of people talking about the poor quality of the camera, but don't you remember the camera app from 6.5?

It was brilliant, and it was 720p.

Very good quality picks, no low-light/high-light tints and an easy to use panoramic app.

Problem is with porting somewhere along the lines. Get that fixed and HD2 is still the only phone worth £500. If you want to sell yours i'll buy it now for £100 (I dropped mine smashed the screen in the corner

:( ).

However, the engineers in my company have HD2 aswell (7) so when it's time to upgrade I gey 7 HD2s to **** about with and/or sell :)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
That's a BENEFIT of WP7, not the other way round. Android phones lag even with dual cores, but WP7 has so tight hw reqs and optimizations that it's butter smooth even on a two years old phone.

The OEM's could easily make a dual core WP7 device, but the only difference between that and the HD2 would be the cost, so why bother?

Basically what I'm saying is this issue is all in your head.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] killerbie:
MS just has made a standard for it's windowsphones, that way they can create a perfect optimalised OS, in a way they are doing what apple did with the iPhone(s).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Hagenlund:
Yeah, that's what I said allready.
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
So I was adventurous today, and decided to buy the original iPad case made by Apple to see if it works with the Touchpad. I know a lot of people have been wondering the same thing, and here's your answer: It does. The camera, bezel & home button are not blocked, and neither are all the other buttons.

*iPad 1 case, NOT iPad 2*

The case retails for $40 at Best Buy if you want to pick it up. Here's some pictures of it in action:

The case if you didn't know what it looks like:

Closed with the TP in it:

Open with the TP in it:

Top view: (The headphone jack lines up perfectly, the power button is a little off but it still works fine)

Side view with the volume rocker:

Bottom Micro-USB slot:

Speakers: (They are covered up by the flap that holds the TP in, but simply sliding it out allows you to hear the full audio quality, even though it isn't that bad with it on)

It works great guys, and I would definitely recommend getting it.
[TouchPad Accessories] mrmug:
LOL "propped-up mode" but anyways it looks like a good and solid buy
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
Lol I didn't know what else to say
[TouchPad Accessories] tullywork:
It looks 'loose'? You can see the rounded outter edges of the TP in the rubber border? is that how the ipad fits too!?

I bought the Griffen rubber back and it fit the same way, very loose, and if you grabbed one of the sides the rubber would almost slide off. Not a good fit (if you ask me). I'm curious if this is just specific to the cases that have the tigher fit rubber back cover, or for all cases. I'm going to pickup the Targus Truss case for the ipad and see for myself.
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
I see what you are saying. It's actually not loose. Compared to the iPad, its corners have a larger curve, so it gives it that look but it fits just fine.
[TouchPad Accessories] NissanNick:
We need to start making video reviews....
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
I'll do it in the morning.
[TouchPad Accessories] Troute:
Just clarifying, this is iPad, not iPad2 yes?
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
That is correct.
[TouchPad Accessories] welshbloke70:
Not to be a party pooper but whats the point?

If you have an old ipad case around then fair enough but otherwise doesn't the official HP case do the same thing but fit perfectly?
[TouchPad Accessories] bruinhoo:
I tried using the Touchpad with the same (Apple stock) iPad case a few days ago. It does actually fit pretty securely - the gaps in the corners are a bit concerning as far as possibly letting debris into the case and scratching up the sides or back, but it did not feel like the Touchpad would fall out. For me at least, the "propped-up" mode was not very stable, at least compared to how it feels with an iPad 1 in the same case. For now, I am using the Verizon Tecnocell case and do prefer that to this one. Many Target stores have this case on clearance for $9.99 btw.

I looked at the Targus Truss, and it seems to be a quality case, though it adds a great deal of bulk to the Touchpad and is very heavy for its purpose (the case by itself is just under 1 pound). Also, the speakers are covered by the tray (for lack of a better word) that secures the Touchpad/iPad in place. The Touchpad-specific model had two speaker cutouts in that tray.
[TouchPad Accessories] tullywork:
thanks for the info on the targus truss/ipad case, I did look at it at staples over the weekend, but didn't pick it up because it wad the black/teal blue one....the speakers being covered is definitely a deal breaker, guess I'll just wait for another better solution, or unit the price comes down.
[TouchPad Accessories] A. Nonymous:
iPad cases are much, much easier to find than Touchpad cases. The Apple logo on the outside cracks my ass up. I might pick one up just for that. Apple logo on the outside, Touchpad on the inside. Makes me lol.
[TouchPad Accessories] Adonis K.:
Not everyone can get their hands on an official touchpad case, due to country/region. for example, if i have to order one, i will have to pay around 70$
[TouchPad Accessories] A. Nonymous:
I don't have to order one and they're still $70. That's how much Best Buy was selling them for a week ago. I tried to explain how it's ridiculous to pay $70 for a case that goes on a $99 device. The sales guy stared at me blankly like I was trying to explain unified field theory or something. It did not register at all.
[TouchPad Accessories] welshbloke70:
Fair enough, didnt realise they were that rare.

Seem to be quite a few on ebay though.

Hopefully lots will turn up for sale soon as they are very good (apart from the lack of anything to keep them closed. I'm seriously thinking of adding some black elastic to mine.).
[TouchPad Accessories] TeeRom:
Sorry for not getting the video review done yet, I started, then my camera died and I can't find the charger. :/
[TouchPad Accessories] elimherr:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbHGqujieaE here is review I made of my Acase for touchpad I found on amazon.com
[TouchPad Accessories] nunjabusiness:
I just received a casecrown folio from Senyx on Amazon and it was made for the 1st gen iPad. The dimensions were so close I thought it would be "good enough."

I was wrong.

Apparently the TP is just a little thicker than the iPad so the rubber/silicone grommet-thingy that the tablet squeezes into is really straining to reach up the sides and it looks pretty crappy.

The corners were not bad and it was a soft material so you could work all the hardware buttons. You could close the folio and the folding cover/stand thing worked but you could clearly tell it just wasn't right.

Damn shame too because it looked great (faux reptile) and was dirt cheap.

I gave it to an employee who has the older iPad. No biggie, it was $5 total.

Now I am anxiously awaiting the case from xjarl from the other case review thread.
[TouchPad Accessories] Realistpm:
but it has an apple on it... pass
[TouchPad Accessories] plympton:
If anyone wants an OEM case, I have 2 extras $25 + shipping (my cost). I can send them back for free, so no big deal. I'm in Portland, OR if you're nearby.
[TouchPad Accessories] dynasty77:
Another very good fitting case for the Tp.... Phillips iPad 2 case...bought from target for 14.99 on sale...originally 59.99

Shot by my Alter_EvO!......... BANG!
[TouchPad Accessories] mnoram:
I tried the Philips case since it was on clearance but found it was too loose. If that's a good fit then maybe I don't want a case at all.
[TouchPad Accessories] dabiddabird:
Another case that works very well is the Marware Eco-Vue for the Ipad 1. I purchased it from Office Max on clearance for 25 bucks but then a week later I found that they sell on Amazon for 12 bucks :( oh well its still a very good case.

The case looks very attractive and has a simulated leather finish that looks very authentic.

As you can see there is an elastic strap that secures the flap to the other half of the case.

The case opens up like a book to expose the touchpad. On the left there is a flap that folds out to become the stand so the touchpad can be placed in a tilted position perfect for typing.

There also is a band that your hand can slide into to allow you to more securely hold the touchpad vertically.

All the ports and buttons are easily accessible

Usb port

Volume rocker fits nicely

Headphone jack and Power button exposed

The home buttons and camera are not covered. I found that the sides of other Ipad cases I tried with the touchpad make it difficult to use swipe up gestures for closing apps and cards. This one however didn't cause any problems.

The only problem, well not for me so much, is that the speakers are covered by the case. But the speakers on the touchpad are so loud that it doesn't really sound muffled at all :D

Overall I think this is a quality case at a bargin price and imho it is better than the Oem Hp case. (I hate that the cover flapped around and wasn't secure to the other half)
[TouchPad Accessories] dynasty77:
Don't know if you got the same Phillips but mine is not loose at all. Seems almost to tight for my liking.... But works great for 15 bucks I'll live.... Just picked up a marware also for under 12 bucks shipped, thanks for the review

Shot by my Alter_EvO!......... BANG!
[TouchPad Accessories] Adonis K.:
I just ordered the Inclipio kickstand case for the touchpad, once i get it i will post some pictures or maybe a video, idk.
[TouchPad Accessories] sakuul:
Radioshack has the targus iPad truss case for 14.99 this week, looks like it will fit