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[Atrix 4G General] CaelanT:
Nice concept.

Drilling some small holes in the cover could help heat get out, but without active cooling, I doubt much will dissipate through there. If you were to drill holes, I would do them on a small CNC mill if you have one available so you get a nice even hole pattern, and minimize a drill wandering and butchering the cover. You could also cut a small piece out of the cover, then put some wire mesh like the speaker cover over it to get more air in/out.

You will be fine using metal sheeting if you do not use anything magnetic. But then the materials available will probably not conduct heat very well.

In all reality, as I previously said, without any kind of active cooling, you may pull a few degrees of heat away from the CPU/GPU, but then it has nowhere to go from there, so I doubt you will gain much.

Only one way to find out for sure though! :)
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
Hello WolfFX, my fellow atrix owner,

Nice idea indeed. I would probably prefer to stick a very thin layer of copper on top of the current one and apply the paste between the two copper. If the results seem to better than stock, i would use correct sandpaper to create more space in the housing, so i could put a thicker copper plate. Thicker copper means better heat spreading and cooling.

I had 2 defy's myself. The reason for the defy spreading heat better cause its internal design isn't as complicated as atrix plus its thicker. Generally, the singlecore cpu's can also get very hot if they're used in a thin housing IMO.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
I use some on the base of a small fan that hooks up to my micro usb port for active. If you've read this far I am kidding and its not possible because the usb port is not.powered.

On another not cutting out approximately 1-1.5 square inches in lower part of the back cover and replacing with copper might help. Cutting out a hole/holes in the back of tpu case would help hold copper plate and let heat dissipate. It would be ghetto fabulous but the question is would it dissipate enough heat to make it worth the trouble.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] dragon_76:
Dual core machines have to work harder in an environment designed for single core like Android. If the app you are running is optimised for dual core it should run cooler. ICS will be multi-core optimised. Dual core naturally run hotter than single.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
Kinda funny that the idiots on Engaget constantly crave for quad-core, when we are struggling as it is on dual-core technology with single core FW... ;)
[Atrix 4G General] WolfFX:
I tought about that, and you are right, it will still be warm.

But if the copper works, the processor temperature readings will be lower, while the warmth will have more area to be dissipated.

It will still be passive, but better than the actual state.

Does anybody have knowledge about motorola's warranty on the Atrix?

Supposing I would open the phone to put the copper and thermal paste, (but dont drill the case, that would be irreversible), would that void any warranty stickers or something like that?

I got my phone last friday, haven't unlocked bootloader or anything because I'd like to keep my warranty for a while...
[Atrix 4G General] palmboy5:
If people were satisfied with what exists, there would be no innovation.

Not saying increasing core count is innovative, but its far better than being stagnant nonetheless.
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
what do you think? would you want to honor a warranty after making hardware changes like that? if you really want to try, buy a phone off craigslist with a broken screen or something and do the mod and see what happens.
[Atrix 4G General] WolfFX:
If someday I move from Brazil to United States I can think about your suggestions.

The damn taxes on my country make the carrier free phone cost equivalent to 1250 dollars.

The broken screen phone here probably will cost the same as a new one on US... :(

Whatever, soon I will lose my extreme-obsessive-care-for-new-gadget and unlock the bootloader, void the warranty, and test this mod.

If anyone has the courage to do it, please take some pics and post them here, along with comments :)
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
If you ever do it, I suggest slotting/drilling the back cover first and seeing what gains you.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] ccrows:
I understand the need to innovate but...

IMO we are not at the point with CPUs where we can "comfortably" put 4 cores on phones yet.

Can it be done? yes, but it would be dumb to do IMHO. We need smaller transistors on chips, an OS that can handle multi-core, and devs that can write Apps properly for that.

Otherwise you're wasting money on an oven that happens to make calls...
[Atrix 4G General] WolfFX:
By back cover you mean the one with torx screws, or the outer one?

To do it on the external cover I would need some fine tools, since any mistakes would screw even more the visual appeal of the phone :D

I saw on another topic here on the forums where someone was asking if there was something such as a metal back cover. That could help on the heat issue. But all the answers were negative. The flexibility of the plastic seems to be what allows it to be opened in the first place :(
[Atrix 4G General] pukemon:
That and the fact you would need a much larger battery to make it a day, or stay with the thin is in but haved a wired cell phone because you wont go anywhere for long with a dead cell phone.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
like CaelanT said, without active cooling (read: a fan), there really will not be much benefit. the entire casing is made of plastic so even if heat were to be dissipated under that area, it would still be trapped there.
[Atrix 4G General] WolfFX:
Wont dissipate too much, but the fact that we can feel the warmth outside means heat is coming through. I'll wait my tests week to be over so I can buy some tools and still need to find out where to buy the copper or aluminum sheet.
[Atrix 4G General] dLo GSR:
heat is coming through but it has nothing to remove it. we can heat sink it to another part of the phone but without a HUGE piece of heat conductive metal to take it, it will simply stay hot. there is no fan/active element to remove the heat from the device and so we are stuck with how it is. that's the problem with microelectronics and ICs that don't allow for fans, and it's up to the software and its use of the CPU to minimize the load on the processors.

i know the effort is valiant but i honestly, from an EE standpoint, don't see you getting much noticeable difference without cramping something else up (i.e. messing with reception because of rogue metal plates or transferring that heat to other parts / ICs of the phone which are not as heat resistant)
[Atrix 4G General] ltdanno360:
yes im sure this definetly voids warrenty (fyi lol i voided mine )

unlocked bootloader att. atrix. honeycomb rom. faux oc kernal
[Atrix 4G General] sk8trix:
Attach a small high powered fan to the back with the battery doos off and have it blow hot air outwards and take it for ur boys to see lol :p
[Atrix 4G General] cjrhoades:
If you do use any of the thermal compound, make sure it's a VERY small amount. We use a rice grain sized dot for CPUs in computers (it spreads out in a thin even layer when you put the heatsink on) which are much larger. The amount needed for the tiny chip in a phone would be a lot less than a rice grain.

Also, make sure there is no gap and the heatsink is firmly pressed against the chip. The idea behind thermal compound is to fill in the microcracks in the materials to better transfer heat.
[Atrix 4G General] stanekskc:
good post :)
[Atrix 4G General] Semseddin:
I wish this could become true instead of staying as an idea.
[Atrix 4G General] Izy:
Cmon a rice grain is way too small for a laptop/PC CPU. Depending on chipsize a rice grain size may be alright for the chip maybe half size.

Sent from Atrix 4g Neutrino 2.6 1.3ghz faux kernel
[Atrix 4G General] Magnetox:
Yep he's right. Factory CPU's come with about a quarter sized application of fluid on the stock fan.

Screw air cooling, watercool that b!tch
[Atrix 4G General] Cusa:
I put my Atrix in the freezer after I'm done using it. Get at me!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Catic:
Is there any way that ElectroBeats could be used on android?And is there any app similar to ElectroBeats ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Catic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl-nG6rFEE this program
[G2 and Desire Z General] itm:
I'm running MIUI with Launcher Pro Plus. I've added a shortcut to the Accounts & Sync Settings activity to my homepage, but whenever I select it the phone reboots. Does anyone else have this problem?
[Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ithehappy:
There is an Indian user thread going on in General section, ask there. No need to create a same thread twice in different sections.
[Galaxy Tab General] jammysunny:
Hi @All,

I usually have Ocercome-Roms for my Tab...

Yesterday, I wanted to flash The Original Gingerbread and failed....Bevor that, I got Kratos on the Tab, and I know, what to do, before flashing other Roms, but I tried to flash fiew times, always Failure....

So, after my Tab showed me the bricked sign on the screen, I decided to flash my savest Rom, JMA with repart., Pit and PDA, but the same, Failure, screen switched off, and nothing goes anymore.....

I dont know, if its a hardwareproblem now or only a Softwareprob.....

I can feel at the bottom, that my Tab is on, its warm there...I tried with KIES, Odin, no notice of my Tab on PC....

Maybe someone can give me positive answers;)
[Galaxy Tab General] jammysunny:
No One, who has some tricks for me?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miguelantonio:
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/...-figures-only-20k-sold-until-now-says-lenovo/
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ToonXW:
To be honest with you, the pressure implied by Apple on Samsung's Tabs are making a serious blow to their reputation. You know that it might not be true but in consumers' eyes no one would generally opt for a product which has patent issues regardless of how good it is.

The reason TF being such a success is because it's a fresh, innovative idea which emerged into the market out of the blue with a solid spec sheet and an extremely attractive price tag for the mass.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Another example which illustrates that people just aren't look for android tablets. Especially not in the price range they are selling for.

I can't wait for the galaxy tab $99 fire sale! LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AustinMartin:
Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] miguelantonio:
Strange that they`re showing a photo of the galaxy tab 10.1 with this story. Bit misleading.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ToonXW:
Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ExploreMN:
Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.

So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Even though the TF is an entirely fresh new idea with a very solid spec sheet, it's not making such a big splash in the media world. Most people don't know about it. Google isn't paying attention to it. Google's star product is the galaxy tab for whatever reason.

It's kinda sad, really, that such a fine product as is the TF is not being noticed that much.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Actually, I have to ask: where are you getting the information that HP sold more TouchPads than Asus has Transformers? I'd say HP sold a few hundred thousand TouchPads (say, 100K - 300K, MAYBE as many as 500K, but that's being really generous). There was the perception of really high sales, sure, but that comes from the hype generated by one of the stupidest decisions in modern marketing history.

Looking at Asus' shipping numbers and given that the Transformer is pretty much selling every bit of inventory they ship, I'd say they've sold at least 1 million Transformers. At a profitable price, I might add.

There's no way HP has sold more TouchPads.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ilgadets:
Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] wynand32:
Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.

The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.

If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Not true. I believe hp said that app downloads have increased 5x since the firesale, but you have to keep in mind that there was a survey done which apparently showed that most people download and use a very minimal amount of apps on their tablets... It was a crazy low number as far as I was concerned, but apparently, many people are happy just using stock apps. My wife has an android phone and she sticks to almost all stock apps... N00b! LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] desideria:
Gtab 10.1

I returned my Galaxy Tab the day Touchwiz rolled out and bought the Asus with dock instead. No regrets, though the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had a really wonderful official case which I miss.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] skydirt:
I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?

No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.

Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6

No one wants these things cause they all have the same specs as my HTC touch. The quality is sub par. It has nothing to do with them having the android OS on it.

I love android. I love my tablet, I love my phone. I wouldn't spend 99$ for one of those POS. Even "everyday people" have that much "know"

You take our tablet or a Samsung 10.1 and slap a 99$ price tag on it, and watch em fly off the shelves.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Why do you think those numbers are unrealistic? Remember that they got those numbers from the fact that everywhere was sold out and we know how much stock people had. Where else would they be if they didn't get sold?

Also, the reason we're not seeing hundreds of thousands of app downloads is because people are waiting to port android over to the touchpad.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Yes, I've owned a few of them. Do you know what ereaders are good for, like the kindle? Reading books... that's pretty much all they do and they've sold WAY more than android tablets, often at a higher price. These $150 android devices do more than kindles, but people don't want them. They certainly perform better than the kindle, but Android hasn't taken off for them.

Perhaps it's all down to marketing? Who knows? But if Android tablet makers think they are going to sell Honeycomb tablets for $499+, they are completely out to lunch. When people are looking for a tablet, they say "I'm looking for an iPad" - that's a fact. Something has to change with the way Android tablets are promoted - maybe they need to hire apple guys?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
3 weeks ago, I was sitting on the train playing with my tablet when a man sat down next to me. He asked me if what I had was an ipad and I said no. Then he said, and I quote, "oh, you have an imitation".

First of all, I did not have my tablet inside a case or anything. I was playing galaxy on fire 2, and this thing looks nothing like an ipad or ipad 2.

But what really surprised me was how rude this gentleman was. He actually said I had an imitation.

With the billions of dollars apple is pumping into their ad campaign, people tend to only think the only "real" tablet is the ipad and ipad 2 and that everything else is a fake. And this atittude makes people so confident that this man actually said to a total stranger on the train "you have an imitation".

Frankly, I'm surprised people aren't paying more attention to the transformer. It really is a solid device. The design is superb, if you ask me. And compared to the transformer, other android tablets (with the exception of the galaxy tab) feel like anchors.

The transformer really should get more attention than what it's getting now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] AlexTheStampede:
Galaxy on Fire 2 is pretty much out there for iOS itunes.apple.com/us/app/galaxy-on-fire-2/id397127539?mt=8 and even Mac OS X, you know.

Still, "imitation"... ouch.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] goodintentions:
Can you imagine yourself saying to someone while they're using a device "you got an imitation"? I was dumbfounded. It was rude beyond rude. And this guy was sitting next to me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Bob Smith42:
Did you say: "You must be one of those luddite patent lawyers, eh?"

LOL
[Eee Pad Transformer General] desideria:
I own and love both. I love all the features of my touchpad but wouldn't want anything less than the first rate experience i get on a device like the Asus or Galaxy Tab.

The kindle isn't really comparable to a bargain tablet at all. For me its main feature is that its insanely long battery life gives it the same "always available" reliability a paper book has.

People still want the Kindle and other eInk devices because they make technical tradeoffs in order to perform their primary function very well, while bargain tablets struggle to do alot of things poorly.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dburckh:
It is hard for an "off-brand" to compete with Apple. I've used Asus products for years and I know and to some extent trust the brand. There are so many bad android tablets out there, that's it's really hard to trust a brand they may not have heard of. Since Android tablets are a bit of a geek item still and most geek know Asus, I think that explains the transformer's success.

I have a Galaxy S (Vibrant) and I can tell you first hand, it a wonderful device. I suspect the Galaxy Tab is the same. The problem is that they are immitating Apple. Asus, IMHO actual innovated with the Transformer. They said we aren't going to make an iPad clone, we are going to one-up Apple at a lower price. That's how you beat Apple. You could argue that the iPad is thinner, or a little lighter, but you are kind of splitting hairs. They are very close and Asus has the ultimate accessory.

My big concern is for my Transformer is Google/Asus. Google is updating Honeycomb left and right and Asus is rolling with the punches. My concern is that once the T2 comes out, they leave us in the dust.

I'll be really interested to see how the Arnova G2 tablet fair. The $200 tablet that might be worth getting.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
Long battery life + e ink screen makes it perfect for reading books (I prefer it to... books). That's why it sells so well (and the price is quite good for such device).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] frosty5689:
+1

I can't standing reading books on my phone or tablet, but I can w/ my Sony eReader!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Asus are shipping 700,000 Transfoermers a month, and given then when you buy one it's the latest B0 number, there is very little stock in the supply chain.

I'm guessing the tally for Transformers is somewhere around the 1.6m - 2m mark by now.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] checkbox111:
Yeah! i can see how Apple manipulating images then knowingly submitting them for evidence can hurt Samsung. :confused:

TV news seemed to have reported the original copyright issues which Apple started, then ignored it entirely when Apple were found to be carrying out the former :rolleyes:
[Eee Pad Transformer General] irekz:
I think there are few issues that cause slow sales of Android tablets (as opposed to very high sales of android phones).

1) tablets do not have carrier subsidies (meaning high prices) - this immediately makes them a luxury and low volume items.

2) phones are promoted by both vendor and carriers - tables have to stand on their own (and work against excellent apple advertising machine).

3) there are so many android tablets that it's difficult for one company to sell big numbers (and make decent profit) - it's easier with phones as volumes are much higher

I bought TF and i'm happy with it - but I must admit I was close to going for iPad2. One of the reasons was that I want to keep this device for 2 maybe 3 years and would like to be sure that I will have regular software updates. This is pretty much given with apple - and rather an unknown quantity with most android vendors (asus has been great so far!). I know that google wants to change this - and i think it's very important to get it right.

Overall I think there is a bright future for android tablets - but I doubt those will be as popular as android phones.

Cheers,

Irek