yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Venue Pro General] Zurvv:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1260411

that post makes it pretty clear that dell is going to do an update.

phone from dell with mango and new firmware.
[Venue Pro General] Ineedtoys:
True, but that's a "brand new" phone. But still doesn't answer why WMPU (and everyone else who jumped on their bandwagon) are treating it as indisputable fact when, as far as I can see, in typical blog style, they've not backed it up with any source or quote.

Still, I guess we've not long to wait and find out!
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
Probably because the author knows people at Dell:

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...-pro-firmware-revision-coming-next-month.aspx

I'd guess Dell probably aren't allowed to announce a date until Microsoft officially launches Mango. There is a huge Microsoft conference happening at the moment (http://www.buildwindows.com/). Would be very surprised if Mango was not 'launched' officially during the conference.

20th September is the first Tuesday after the conference ends, so it's a plausible date.
[Venue Pro General] Ineedtoys:
Ah, that explains it then. Apologies all round for being such a sceptic!
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
Thanks - although I have no idea if the author has heard a whisper from Dell or is just taking an educated guess.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
column A and column B

yes it was rumored from a mutual contact that the dvp update would be next week. But I also know that whenever dates are given with dell, well...there are delays...(last f/w update for instance was delayed by a week as was the security update, and for that matter nodo was delayed so so many times).

I suggested to readers that delays do happen, like with any software/firmware update due to carrier testing or microsoft. With the previous f/w update, dell had the intent of releasing it the same week as reported, but in this case Microsoft waited to do a dual update (hd7 and venue pro updating) which is at their discretion.

Whether or not Microsoft will do that again is anyone's guess. That's why I recommended that

1. It is a rumored release date (but the contact is extremely reliable with his info given)

2. delays happen

Nothing major if it does happen. This is dell afterall...they have a record with delays...it wasn't super sensational to suggest that...
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
I would 'suggest' the only sure date for the mango release is whenyou see 'update complete' on your device. Until then, blah blah blah.

The circumstances for the release of mango is different than with Seven and NoDo.

With seven, it was all about timing. Small market release upfront, followed by reaction plan and response.

Nodo was an updat, nothing more.

Mango is a new device focused release. Its step 2 in the MS mobile plan.It released to Operators several weeks ago. What was released back in july is what youll see next week. Anything new since the RTM will be this years nodo. Historically, new OS's have rarely updated near launch date, the focus instead on the new device release. If MS/Dell have said the 20th, then hoorah for them. But i do not recall seeing anything official from them....excluding that twitter guy.

From someone who has the mango rtm already, but no longer uses the vp as my primary device, i can say i will not move back to the device as my primary device. Its slow and bulky compared to many of the android devices. I do however hold great hope for windows phone and will buy a new device when i see 4g, dual core, and wifi integrated calling. I believe windows phone is better than android. It just doesnt have all the cookies yet.

With the number of contacts i have at ms, i 'suspect' the release will be within the next 2weeks. But i said that back in June, and nothing has changed.
[Venue Pro General] Ineedtoys:
That was my point and why I took issue with wording of the article. A prime site like WMPU should be very careful of giving the impression that they have seen an official statement committing to a date when all they have is rumour and hearsay (no matter how trusted the source).

Also, won't Dell (and other OEMs) need to build and test their proprietary hardware drivers (e.g. for the compass) before they roll the upgrade out to their devices? Or will have these been completed and submitted back to MS in time for the 'launch'?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
i can vouch for the information. The person gave me a unit to personally test and write about. I'm pretty sure that's enough to vouch for their reputation.

But realistically, mobile sites are dicy on rumor mill, but that doesn't stop reporting at all. And sadly on more than one occasion, several sites haven't fact checked a rumor before it ran out of commotion (anyone remember the initial HD3 specs fiasco?)

I can understand your skepticism, but that's also why I indicated that delays happen and things get pushed back. Realistically anytime there is a date given by any dev, oem, or company, it always never EVER delivers on that promised date.

But it is news that many want to know about. And the source is extremely RELIABLE and about as official it is going to get regarding dell's restructuring of their mobile division.

You don't have to trust the date, in fact I suggest not to do so. But given the indication that mango is coming in that timeframe (middle of september) clarifies the position that the rumored release date gains more credibility. Also, since TMO gets a bevy of updates on Tuesday for windows phone camp (nodo, security, firmware), Tuesday at least is a relatively big day for tmo as far as pushing out updates are concerned.

That was the point of the article. Seriously no need to overanalyze it, it will make you old and gray =P
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
Agreeing with dom on this. Youll get old and gray reading digital papparrazzi. Know that the first time dell saw mango was NOT at the rtm date. They've had the bits for several months. They were test partners along with the other OEMs for several months. Fijal bits have been in their hands for 6-8 weeks and they have been privvy to prelim builds for several weeks before that. Test modes and package delivery have been their focus for several weeks now since changes to the packages must go through ms, not dell. Dell cannot add anything post handoff.

There is no question the release is soon. My only question is where it will fall in relationship to the new device release. If its before the release, then soon is soon. If its after, then soon could bè fall...and that lsts until december
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
I wouldn't expect a new dell wp7 device any time soon =(
[Venue Pro General] jessej:
Hey Dom and everyone,

I just thought that I would chime in a little with this one. The rumored date of September 20 was the latest officially announced date given to OEMs (Dell in this case) from Microsoft at the time this article was written. Joe Belfiore of Microsoft has obviously gone on record as saying that Mango will now officially happen in the fall, meaning on or after September 23. Dell has finished their part of Mango and Microsoft is again stuck holding the ball in their court. Let's just hope history repeats itself on this one. Announced date + 1 week = Actual Date???? I will keep my ears pressed to the walls for this one and update if I hear anything new.

The "other" part of this rumor came true, please look at this thread title (Just received a replacement DVP and it's got Mango on it!!)

Dell was ready to ship some of their devices 1 week after the article was written. They ship device overnight and the thread was created on September 13.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
same thing happened with the tmo update microsoft delayed it for a week for no earthly reason
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
for no earthly reason that you know of....;)

---------- Post added at 11:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:10 AM ----------

I didn't mean a new VP, I meant new mango devices in general......rarely are new OS's first distributed as an upgrade to existing devices. Usually new devices get it first...
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
In the US at least only at&t has announced new hardware and they have committed to a fast update rollout so it would seem there shouldnt really be a delay due to new hardware.
[Venue Pro General] littlebuddha:
its the 20th! cant wait if this is true!
[Venue Pro General] Plazma1:
my fingers are crossed
[Venue Pro General] bbowman:
nothing yet on my TMobile DVP in southern california.
[Venue Pro General] Ineedtoys:
LOL at all those not reading or understanding post #16 and hoping in vain for something to magically appear, when MS have officially stated that the update won't be here 'till Autumn/Fall and even pointed to a site in their tweet to make it clear that "Fall" doesn't begin until the 23rd.

That's what you get when high profile sites like WMPU repeatedly throw terms like 'official' around when the rumours they have are nothing of the sort. That just leads to lots of people getting all worked up for no reason and the MS getting grief for a "missed" date which is not of their making. Same happened on the 15th.

Perhaps the likes of WMPU and their contributors should check the definition of "official" before they use it so lightly.

of·fi·cial

[uh-fish-uhl]

noun

6.

(of an activity or event) intended for the notice of the public and performed or held on behalf of officials or of an organization; formal: the official opening of a store.
[Venue Pro General] roytellect:
while, great. But what make it so difficult not releasing the update? Dell already shipped their mango device. Not to say iPhone is coming to its 5th generation and neither Microsoft nor Nokia is making a real product to confront it? We all know Google and Apple are good at releasing beta/toy product to its loyal customers. It's much more absurd for a company not releasing its ready-to-go product and seeing tons of potential customers turn their back after a long time waiting. As we all can see people are getting tired of Mango. How many fancy product stay on report but lost fond by final customer? Just a warning. Food for thought.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
*sighs*

The main problem with your comment is simple. It's rather simple, though really nit picky and it makes your entire assertion flaccid. That being the text of the story.

The only time official was used was to mention that Mango was coming to the DVP. That's a fact and its about as official as everything that Microsoft has also said.

Further reading, however, indicates that the date is rumored and was even indicated that delays happen. Put the date in the RUMOR folder. Fantastic way to lump together use of language to indicate that the date was official.

Never once did the article indicate the date was official, but face valid based on previous rumors reported already.

Secondly, we know Dell has Mango on their replacement devices. It's had Mango for quite sometime actually. The issue isn't on Dell's end. And again as the article indicated, DELAYS happened. Even the cited huge TMO update was delayed by a week.

So while I thank you for your criticism for the use of one word, being official, the word rumored was tossed around and it was suggested to keep the date in the RUMOR MILL. The article never once mentioned it was a definitive date.
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
just got a facebook update yesterday from the windows phone page saying that mango will be released within the next one or two weeks.....sorry cant post the link here...restriction on it...just goto the win phone page on facebook and it l be the first or second post...
[Venue Pro General] roytellect:
Is that update for DVP? I guess TMO will be 1 weeks later than Unlocked as usual. :confused:
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
I think this is the link:

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../09/21/where-s-mango-an-update-on-timing.aspx
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
yup tats the link...and no its not only for the dvp...they said they will be releasing it within a week or two...my guess is that they wil roll out the update for all carriers and unlocked handsets together...
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
and yet again Microsoft delays it by a week or two (always seems to happen)

better early than never because apple is looming and iphone 5 will sell
[Venue Pro General] alodar1:
How can this be called a delay? There was never any September 20th release date. The target release date was always lsdt week of September - first week of October. Throw in a delay or 2, and you're looking at mid to end of October.

Notice how the operators around the world are publically announcing "We are ready for mango now". Bell, Vodafone, Orange, Telstra, and others have said, we are ready. Dell only said, "This fall".

Don't be so anxious that you lose your reason.
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
read from a site earlier that iphone 5's got a release date of oct 4th i think..and a tip off from a friend in apple india saying that the india and china release is after a month of US release....guess mango should com before that...iphone 5 release can really bog down interest with all its hype...running mango rtm and its awesome...just waiting for the dell release...
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
Release date of Mango isnt the problem, its MS's lack of advertising. They could release Mango today but who other than current users would care? Without telling the average consumer and broadening awareness the timing of Mango's release and the iphone 5 launch are really irrelevant as no one will even know about Mango to deter them from the new iphone which everyone and their dog knows is coming anyway.
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
It's not anxiety

The anticipated date was between the weeks of sept 15-22 that's not anxiety at all. Higher ups at Dell reported back to microsoft they were ready to roll out between that time frame, but again, delayed. Just like before.

It was a delay, at least from what a few at Dell have indicated. I can't say what was on Microsoft's mind, because I don't know anyone from Microsoft, but for sure, Dell anticipated a release date on the 20th. That much I can say with a lot of validity.

You're reading quite deep into Lionel's post imho...
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Gets really old for Lionel's updates to always include "more info for at&t users later". Both for the .212fw and the mango update. Really regretting this phone/carrier combo.
[Venue Pro General] peeps:
Same here. Luckily it is my wife's phone and she never uses wifi. Wanting to try out Mango on hers though to decide if WP7 is the right OS for me long term as I am ready to ditch my iPhone4...
[Venue Pro General] roytellect:
No, MS advertising is too much! Think about that. We are talking about Mango yrs before it land on a real device! What MS should do is better organize it's alliances(manufactures, carriers) and push the product in a achievable narrow time frame.

The WP7 is designed to compete against iPhone, but it is still in the womb even iPhone5 comes out. Seriously if Mango reschedule its release once again to response iPhone5 release, that means this device never need to show up. Even MS don't have the confident for Mango to "Shake the world"?
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
update on dell's official blog saying that the update will roll out before "autumns end"....includes Unlocked owners in the US, EMEA and India, in addition to locked handset owners on T-Mobile US and Cincinnati Bell...
[Venue Pro General] Plazma1:
just so you guys know where to find the link: http://en.community.dell.com/dell-b...s-phone-7-5-mango-and-the-dell-venue-pro.aspx
[Venue Pro General] efjay:
You're kidding, right?
[Venue Pro General] domineus:
if its some consolation

Samsung may be doing a vertical slider (hopefully super amoled plus and good camera) dunno if it is a pipe dream though. Samsung is awful silent

As far as ATT customers goes, I have no idea why its taking so darn long. it's like your network must be special or something
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
Paul Thurrott says that Tue 27 Sep is Mango day :)

"I've heard from multiple sources that the 27th is Mango Day. All AT&T phones but HD7S, which will get it late Oct."

http://twitter.com/#!/thurrott
[Venue Pro General] henry084:
How about those in EU without AT&T carrier?:)
[Venue Pro General] magicsquid:
People in the EU with unlocked phones normally get updates as soon as available, as there is no carrier testing needed. From past experience, these updates have historically been released at 6pm UK time (=10am Microsoft time).

If the rumors are correct, I'd expect to see confirmation on one of the following URLs either today or tomorrow.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/ (posts by Eric Hautala)

http://twitter.com/#!/lionelatdell

as well as this forum of course :D

Can't hurt to connect your phone to your PC via USB cable sometime tomorrow evening to see if Zune has anything waiting for you ;)
[Venue Pro General] HRQ.SLV:
I'm doing it already at least twice a day... :D

PS: I've got an EU unlocked phone
[Venue Pro General] Devious Criminal:
Thanks for getting my hopes up :(
[Venue Pro General] kartbart:
This page shows all carriers as "Scheduled." Page was updated Sept 27th.

http://mango.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-usa.aspx
[Venue Pro General] dilzo:
It says that it applies only to Samsung focus, LG quantum and HTC that's it. It doesn't apply to dell.
[Venue Pro General] frazell:
Where do you read that it doesn't apply to Dell?

The only mention of the above devices is for double star (**). That applies only to update 7392 on AT&T.

You might need to read up on what a note means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Note_(typography)
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
AT&T already stated that Dell will do their own release for mango. But they all say scheduling at the moment except sprint who is still testing. I assume Dell falls under other.
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
Can't edit from phone as far as I know so I have to double post. I didn't see it said Dell is in planning at the bottom w/e the hell that means. However it still stands that Dell is doing their own thing so it's on their schedule.
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
and another post. All US carriers have started rolling out the update. Still no update on the DVP status
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
windows phone facebook page says mango has begun rolling out...can anyone confirm...

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-update-begins.aspx
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
Yea ppl are updating now on dvp
[Venue Pro General] Shyatic:
I'm still waiting, I have an unlocked DVP so I really don't know when I get the update, but I haven't gotten anything yet. That said, if it matters.. I'm on TMobile in the US.
[Venue Pro General] Zukunft:
i am installing it right now with windows phone 7 connector on my mac....but it shows me not a windows update but a dell update ( i am on .212 allright) so i will see whats going on
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
after lots of errors i got the update...weirdly named dell update...might be the firmware update...wil message once all updates are done...

---------- Post added at 09:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:51 PM ----------

did the dell update...

os version 7.10.7720.68

fw version 2250.1800.7720.219

think only the fw got updated....
[Venue Pro General] Kenji117:
you may have to revert to no do or one of the beta releases at the least. the new update is version 7403. If you werent one of the 10% of people selected to update here is a link on how to force the update.

http://www.wpcentral.com/force-mango-update-early-through-zune-software
[Venue Pro General] Shyatic:
I already have the 7392 update on my phone (strangely enough), but I also got a new phone from Dell after my original DVP was messed up (the screen wouldn't unlock).

So I'm not really sure how long I have to wait.. like I said, I'm on TMO, but I'm not sure if I'm waiting on Dell or TMO for the update since my phone is unlocked.
[Venue Pro General] raimeiken:
I flashed mango a while ago on my DVP. Do I have to revert back to the original ROM before I can update to this official mango update?
[Venue Pro General] rodrigohv:
Mango updated for TELCEL mexico...

hello friends,

well, i have (or had) a DVP in mexico, i bought it in ebay, unlocked (carrier was Tmobile before unlock), i received it already updated with 7392, however, i never wanted to imagine what would happen introducing new updates, since this phone is not sold in mexico yet, and i dont think it will arrive soon, so, with my actual company, TELCEL, it was working fine, but i remember i never seen the phone to show the 3G available, still and when option was checked. Yesterday i decided to read the posts and posts, related to Mango update, so i decided to follow the way and update my phone, everything was smooth, update was perfectly done, however i want to check with you some issues that i watch now,

xbox live, can't show a background picture in past

marketplace, just have a background color, so simple

in reality it doesnt matter, the principal reason to post it, is that now, i can't make calls, i receive them and i can send SMS or receive, but when i call, it just end so fast, no chance to call any service or SOS number, probably something with TELCEL isnt working yet for WP7, and less for updates... lol

7.10.7720.68

2250.1800.7720.219

Evenly i have placed the APN as someone suggested in some previous posts, but no luck, Edge is detected perfectly, but seems to do not work either...

Well i just wanted to share my experience with this phone which is great, by the way, Mango update is cool, extremely fast...the boot and interaction... still cant personalize those bad ringtones, i hate all of them, lol...

Any ideas to solve "my problem", go back to 7392? huh :(

Regards
[Venue Pro General] Zukunft:
ok i am on .219 now too
[Venue Pro General] nutnithin:
checked the force update page...it shows 7720 as the final update....so then wouldnt it be the same as my OS version????
[Venue Pro General] ElijahHouck:
The force upgrade install indeed works on the Dell Venue Pro. Currently installing 7403 as we speak, hopefully all goes well.

Also, this is an UNLOCKED Dell Venue Pro on AT&T. If you don't get it after a few tries, keep trying! There's a very small sweet spot for disconnecting your internet (for me, it was right at 1 second). Took me probably a dozen or so tries.
[Venue Pro General] HRQ.SLV:
Update

Just received an update for my Dell...!

Here's a "Print Scr" of the Zune page:
[Venue Pro General] Shyatic:
Pulling the internet out seemed to work for me... it's updating now. DVP unlocked with TMO.
[Venue Pro General] ElijahHouck:
Just updated, and Mango's pretty cool and all, but you know what I'm most excited for?

NO MORE COLOR BANDING! :D
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
See you have att as a carrier, is your device sim-locked to att or did you buy it unlocked from dell?
[Venue Pro General] ElijahHouck:
Unlocked. Unfortunately, it sounds like the sim-locked AT&T DVP users are some of the only ones that will be waiting a bit longer.
[Venue Pro General] venelar:
Yep, looking that way after i spent the last hour unplugging my internet trying the trick to force it.
[Venue Pro General] woodman411:
I have DVP on TMO unlocked, but as of 09/27/2011 @ 2:45 PM PST, Zune still not showing I have any updates. It shows 7.0 (7392) as being up-to-date.
[Venue Pro General] ElijahHouck:
Did you follow the method shown above? It will probably take you quite a few tries to find the exact time to pull the internet (took me around 12), but you should be getting the update.
[Venue Pro General] woodman411:
Did you ever have the update bar hanging indefinately? I either get that or the "cannot update at this time" message. I've tried 30 times so far.
[Venue Pro General] Volocha:
Nothing helps to get update. Might be first 10% of updates has been sent and there is time delay for the rest ...