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[Off-topic] PoisonWolf:
I don't think there is an order for his level of troll-ness.

He's made it pretty clear that he walks around with a WP7-boner.

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The problem is his spread of misinformation as though they are facts when in actuality, they are nothing more than opinion.
[Off-topic] rkochi1987:
apple = better os

google = better phones

IMO
[Off-topic] wendellc:
Lets not forget how long it took apple to get mms working.

What was there in the beggining for iphone was GOOGLE apps, or Google maps, Google voice used to circumvent from using any of ur minutes thereby only needing a lowered tiered plan.......
[Off-topic] densetsu86:
I'm sorry but this thread is fail on many levels. But one thing z33 is such an idiot its sad. First off z33 vcrs are not great tech not even in its time. Betamax was better. And still is better then the VCR. But here's the ting times where different back then when cheaper meant better. Beta was expensive in comparison and so it lost the format war. Times are different today and its proven with the win of blu-ray over hd-dvd.

Now to Ios and wp7 smoothness you do know in terms of software simplistic designs always run smoother then non-simplistic right? And it also helps that iPhones hardware is designed specifically to run Ios.

But they all have their falts I'm not an android fan, I'm not an apple fan, I'm not a black berry fan, I'm mot a wp7 fan, hell I'm not even a fan of smartphones. When I choose my dx2 I choose it on base specs. Which believe it or not blew the **** out of apple. Apples products are never up to date. Reyna looks so good because its in a tiny ass screen and your not even getting the benefit of having it. Your eyes can't see it. The qhds would look better if it wasn't for pentile which the screen is the only thing in specs is bad.

I choose my android phone because of one its different. I hate **** that's the same. All iPhones look alike. If you want one different you have to get an older one. Its boring. Wp7 is too young for me to adopt at this point in time. And since my LG env touch pretty much sucked ass I decided I wanted an open platform os to fix any issues that may come with my phone. Bad updates, wear and tear etc. No phone os give me that ability other then android. And let me say my dx2 is one sexy beast. Love its design, how the back feels the size of the screen (pentile does not bother me cause I do not use a magnifying glass to see its problems). I love my phone but its far from perfect and so is Ios and wp7 cause if they where perfect their would be no need for updates.

Then fanboyism an all account's just makes this thread a fail. Android is not for the elites, it's not for the poor either, of had something that drew people in. Either from people like me and know everything from apple is pure **** and the only reason why iPod and iPhone sell so well is because of fantastic marketing but Steve jobs. They where not the first in anything they just threw money in marketing making people think if you don't have one then your equivalent sucks (even 10out of 10) your equivalent is better.

I don't see how android is hard. It was my first smart phone (dx2) and I had no difficulties in using it.

I'm done posting this. People choose what works for them. Whether it was a iPhone, blackberry, android, wp7. They all have faults and they all should (iPhone just doesn't) have places where they excel. End of story. Apoplexy doesn't like competition cause of the who osx vs windows where they lost pathetically against and they don't ever want to see that happen again so when something threatening comes a long they want to squash it in any means possible because they know they build simplistic junk that only looks good and have a ton of marketing for.
[Off-topic] aleks_:
I like both iOS for different reasons and they both have their pros and cons.

And yes, there is always a difference and they both have features not found on the other but little by little both OS's are starting to steal features from each other that it is becoming a war of which phone can perform better with the said features regardless of who had it first and who joined the bandwagon. But at this point it is very obvious that the Android OS is constantly evolving while iOS is just taking notes from Android by taking what has already been done and marketing it as something new for iOS fanatics. Thats what I don't like about apple. As for the final verdict, iOS is good for the battery and the app store but it comes short when it comes to the Android OS which to me is king. Call me a fanboy but I've got both and Android is the better one of the two. :)
[Off-topic] pttinh:
apple => go to the hell
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
actually no, an early version of touchwiz that was Java based could be put onto the original touch. It was just 9 basic icons on a bland yellow background but the alternative was there. It was the first thing I did on joining XDA.
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
You mean touchFLO.
[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
Apple - Makes good software and hardware as evident by OSX being a viable OS and the iMac being one of the best all-in-one desktops. On the other hand, iTunes is an abomination on Windows and Safari is the slowest browser on Windows (even IE is faster than Safari). Other than that, they don't seem to make their own software for anyone else.

Google - Has a bunch of cool service such as search (obviously), Gmail, Chrome, Google Voice, Google Maps, Google Earth and Google+. When they make software on their android platform, it is top notch. When they make applications for other OS', it isn't exactly great. On the other hand, Google makes a brilliant browser for both OSX and Windows.

You can compare mobile OS', whatever. Not everyone uses the a smartphone the same way so it would be an invalid argument. Bit interested to see what Google will do with their Chrome OS because it is directly competing with Apple's main area, desktop operating systems.
[Off-topic] Ohlikken:
Thats the thing, every OS today is literately the same with some minor tweaks here and there, Chrome OS will begin on a different path.
[Off-topic] MrParo:
There's a huge difference between Linux and Windows. Even within Linux the distros can differ substantially. Try comparing Arch Linux to Ubuntu.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
What makes you think chromeOS is going to be so spectacularly different. I got one of the beta laptops like what? 2 years ago or so? It wasn't anything great aside from the startup time which windows 8 pwnz.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
this just seems like a bad troll.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Nit pick moment. Apple dont make hardware, they contract hardware manufacture out to other established companies, or buy off the shelf parts. They do apparently exert alot of control over the hardware, whatever that may mean. Also itunes is an abomination FULL STOP Also Ive never been wowed by imacs. They look like laptops pretending to be desktops, but thats just me.
[Off-topic] rotrhead:
Apples closed mind strategy will never succeed in the long run
[Off-topic] oblivion1500:
apple is just a bunch of sore losers that cant make a descent phone. so they feel obligated to screw with the competition. Im never going to get an iPhone again. i think i will stick with my cappy for the time being and i also think im going to stick with google in there OS development, unless Microsoft can out do them
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree...selling to every man, woman and child on the planet is a miserable fail. You wait and see, Apple's gonna get it in the end...get all of the money and take it to the bank. The will lose...their composure at the pool of money they have to suffer. :D
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Honestly, I think Microsoft and apple could knock android out at any point just with the legal aspects of it all. Apple and Microsoft are the only ones making a quality product OS-wise, android hardware is nice but the OS just isn't of great quality. Once the iPhone is available in more places and windows phone offers up the integration that no other OS can compete with with your windows 8 PCs then google will be left behind technologically even further than they are.
[Off-topic] tjtj4444:
Microsoft and Apple both have very few phone-patents compared to the "old" phone companies like Motorola (soon owned by Google), Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung etc. So a legal battle is not an easy win for Apple or MS.

And both WP7 and iOS have more or less zero market share in other embedded devices like TV's, set-top boxes, car infotainment systems etc. Android is starting to get momentum in this area though, and the competition here is very weak, mostly older proprietary OS's without an eco-system like Android/WP7/iOs.

And please note that the market potential here is just as big or maybe bigger than the complete phone market... So even an iPhone user might end up with an Android-TV and and an Android-car :)

And Android in my SGS2 works fine from a quality perspective. Maybe iphone & WP7 works better (haven't owned one), but that doesn't make my SGS2 worse.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You just need to give WP7 Mango a try. Trust me, it's nice.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
But, with phones coming closer and closer to computers androids future is now even encroaching on some PC patents which are pretty much all owned by Microsoft or apple. That paired with Nokia and Microsoft being partners and apple buying every patent they can get their hands on, you have to see the approaching danger. As far as an ecosystem, it doesn't get much stronger than microsofts, especially with the fact that the new Xbox, with gold membership, will act as a set-top box and with the fact that windows 8 will be everywhere I just dont see how Google's eco-system can compare. Microsoft has all the foundation laid out for a complete take-over, they just need to merge their products which is what windows 8 intends to do.
[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
Yeah I know that similar to what HP and other companies do. If you really, really think about it, only a few companies make their own parts for everything example being ASUS. But yeah, I meant that they exert a lot of control on the hardware and such. Well, the iMac does use a laptop graphics card and I wouldn't be surprised if it used a 2.5 inch hard drive. I would say they looked pretty nice, but the specs are honestly not that great (yes, you can compare specs on things like computers).

Apple and Microsoft doesn't need to put their mobile operating system into stuff like that. They already have a living room competitor (Apple TV and XBox 360) and I they are already doing a proper job with integrating them with their mobile operating system (AirPlay and you can control your 360 from your phone). The alternative is that you can just HDMI your laptop to your TV. I don't know about you, but I don't want a mobile operating system on my car at all.
[Off-topic] rispectme:
Google is the best
[Off-topic] tjtj4444:
I cannot see any big momentum for Xbox and apple-TV in the living room in my country at least (Sweden), of course Xbox is very common as a game console, but that's it.

In fact I cannot see how XBox or apple-TV can fulfill even basic requirements for the connected living room. For example a good web browser with Flash support is a minimum to watch different kind of web-clips and web-TV. And what about music? How do you play music from your favorite music service like Pandora or Spotify? People want to do the same thing as they do on their computer/smartphone, and they don't want to wait for month/years before having the same service in the living room.

For example, when people go out and buy a TV or receiver in a year or so they will be shown TV's/receivers with a lot of functionality added with help of Android for very little extra cost, they will not buy a much worse TV just because XBox/apple-TV exists (especially since Xbox/apple-TV is very limited). Microsoft or Apple cannot stop the manufacturers of TV's, receivers, set-top boxes etc to use Android to add functionality.

My point is not that Apple or MS will loose, but that Android not only has a very solid market for smartphones today (highest market share), but Android also has a huge potential for several new markets where MS and Apple are very weak due to their closed concept.

And mobile operating systems in cars will soon be very common, this is an obvious trend regardless of what you want. But if you buy low-end cars with entry level entertainment-systems you could probably avoid Android or similiar systems for a quite long time though.

And this is of course not for engine control or safety systems, I'm talking about entertainment and navigation here.

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Well, I agree that MS has a good foundation because of their desktop dominance, but don't forget the fact: WP7 has an extremely low market share today. Android had hardly any competition in low or mid-end segment during the first three years. Now it is the opposite, Android is dominating low/mid-end, and Android and iPhone is fighting hard in high-end segment. So WP7 will probably not fail, but it has several very tough years ahead.

And as I just mentioned above, XBox is not fulfilling the needs people have for their living room, maybe it works as a simple set-top box in US, but not in most other countries.

And don't forget that windows 8 is far away from a success (and about one year from launch), everyone liked W7 because it was soo much better/polished than Vista, but W8 will be something very different, it might take a long time for W8 to reach a decent market share.
[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
Pretty sure that Google TV or some TV running Android, won't be any use honestly. If you want a living room object that has a web browser with flash, than the Sony PS3 is there for you and it can play blu-ray. My blu-ray player has Pandora and that thing isn't even running Android. If none of those solutions don't work, I can just HDMI my laptop to the TV and I get a more than capable enough operating system on my TV.

I'm pretty sure that most people just use their TVs to watch TV shows and movies. I mean, I guess it is cool that I can do web searches from my TV, but I have a smartphone and I don't want a thousand button nightmare for my remote.

Also, you don't need an mobile operating system in a car. I'm highly certain that it will just be a niche product and only used on cars that don't have much to offer in the first place. The only tech a car needs is navigation, voice dial, a rear view camera and USB for I guess plugging in your media player. They do not need Android to add useless distractions on the road. Hell, some cars aren't even using Google Maps (pretty sure that most of them use Garmin).
[Off-topic] wendellc:
Wanting to try it indeed but no great phones out at the moment for T-Mobile. Maybe next year.
[Off-topic] luchador78:
Google will win
[Off-topic] upichie:
Well get ready for the future. I do, and high-end carmakers like Cadillac have had these for awhile now. Android for it probably wouldn't be too much like the Android we use right now though.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Honestly, I could see windows 8 tablet edition being much more useful in a car than android. Otherwise car manufacturers would have to design their own launchers because you definitely couldn't use default android on the go.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Until Google's desktop OS is effectively proliferated, it would be much better to have WP7 being integrated into automobiles because of integration with Win 8. Microsoft has a richer and more robust system. And I prefer WP7 anyway. I think it would work out better in a vehicle environment because of the UI style. The large tiles of WP7 and Win8 would work perfectly in operational functionality.
[Off-topic] upichie:
You two are like a dysfunctional Android bashing tour. I only mentioned Android because it was mentioned (in context) earlier. I was merely stating the likelihood of this happening (or already happening, with all things considered). But otherwise, yeah, WP7 would be easier on the eyes. But that's obvious, considering it uses the largest fonts.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Well I meant windows 8. I don't know that Microsoft would release the ability to customize to such an extent to just anyone for WP7. I merely stated that the tiny icons and such with the busy screens would be tough to use without a custom launcher.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Whoa! Wait a minute. I wasn't bashing Android. I love Android and all things Google. But I'm not biased and speak only what I believe is correct. Most of us use Windows PCs and Windows is much more broadly spread than Chrome OS. The integration of WP7 with Win8 gives it a distinct advantage in the fact that WP7 will be better supported in such an environment as a vehicle.

Did you bother to read my first couple of sentences in the previous post?
[Off-topic] upichie:
Your vehicle's ecosystem would most likely only include your phone and your music, which in many cases would equal to just your phone. Considering this, any of the current mobile OS' would have enough of a "broadly spread environment" as their current user base entitles. In Microsoft's position, I think their lack of WP7 userbase would hinder them more than their massive PC dominance would help, considering your phone connecting to your car is more important than your laptop connecting. But that may just be my opinion.

And your other post read, "Until Google is better, WP7 wins." Crystal clear.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Yeah, you're right, those were my exact words, weren't they? BS

"

Until Google's desktop OS is effectively proliferated

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[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
Seems like way too much work and I'm pretty sure car manufacturer's wouldn't want something like having to troubleshoot their car because the OS is having issues.

At this point in time, I don't see Google's desktop OS competing well with the likes of Linux, Mac OS X or Windows. Relying completely on a stable internet connection for an OS doesn't seem that great of an idea. I'm still a bit curious to see what Google will do in the future with their OS seeing that they just made some of their programs offline and such
[Off-topic] upichie:
Intelligent people use fewer words to say more.

I also highly doubt any of these would ever wind up in mobile cars, but car manufacturers already have proprietary versions.
[Off-topic] loui1986:
Bingo and that, coupled with the fact most android apps don't do much without an internet connection is the biggest problem for android. Unluckily enough for iPhone is that it has many more problems than this

apple p!$$3d off adobe with Flash and AIR

apple charge people for the full SDK to their platform

their app store has more than twice as much "junk apps" as googles "market"

the app store takes aaaages to load and the device is not that responsive

there are not really custom roms for iPhone using iOS because it's TOTALLY CLOSED SOURCE!

you cannot easily use non-apple peripherals on iOS devices

So yes android has it's problems allowing devs like nvidia to produce closed-source drivers, relying almost solely on the internet and not having as many devs as apple chalked up but i'd pit my advent vega against any apple product on a long journey

up to 10 hours battery life ( I have personally had 9.5 out of it while in use)

Easy to extend using linux kernel patches (yesterday I got four sixaxis controllers paired for psx emulation)

watches pretty much any format imaginable OFFLINE with no DMCA nonsense

wide-viewing angle

only £200

virtually unbrickable (I once turned it off in the middle of CWM recovery flash and it still booted the Nv3p Server over USB for a fresh reflash)

iphone/pad ipwned ;)

oh that i why apple wants to launch dubious lawsuits against google...
[Off-topic] w.moyer30:
ROFl i find it funny that apple would say that the Google API's belong to them. Its like when windows came out they said the same thing, however bill gates actually did steal it from apple but.... we are talking apples and oranges tho
[Off-topic] kitaeshi:
actually if apple + google would make a power company vs microsoft..lol
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
this post has an unbelievable amount of wrong.
[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
I am pretty sure those are running Linux not android. Not the same thing.
[Off-topic] upichie:
:rolleyes:

Android is Linux; Linux is not Android. Obviously they're not the same thing—and obviously I know this. Which is why I said, quite specifically, that I highly doubt any of these [mobile OS'] would ever wind up in cars.

Do you read much? Try it sometime.
[Off-topic] canadariot2312:
Blah, I was actually trying to reply to a post made by someone a couple pages back about the fact that they specifically said that the future involved Android being in car systems. My bad.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I still think windows 8 would make more sense in cars than Linux. Hell, most people arent even smart enough to use Ubuntu let alone some random distro.
[Off-topic] theorogelio:
If by consistency you mean familiar menus/UI, it does not equate to quality.
[Off-topic] android2.0:
apples got that new siri feature which is pretty cool but android kicks a**
[Off-topic] theorogelio:
Good point. Users deserve quality software with a very nice looking UI and the ability to customize it however they want it. Offer me a default theme, but please let me pick a different one too.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I'm sorry, but the "do-it-yourself" mentality of Linux does not equate to quality software, nor does lag, fragmentation, or force closes.
[Off-topic] theorogelio:
Really? Can I customize it however I want? Also, how's the Microsoft market doing? The Last time I accessed it was with my HD2 and winmo 6.5. I think it sucked big time!!!

Now I am running MIUI on my HD2. I hacked it, removed winmo, and installed Android and have never looked back.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Nope, little customization. However, with that minor sacrifice you also lose lag, force closes, and... Wait, haven't I typed all this out just recently? Also, kinda funny that you compare the winmo market to the windows phone marketplace. Two completely different OSes aren't going to share a market.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Absolutely :)

The WinMo market was nothing compared to the current WP7 market. In fact, and this is no exaggeration, the WP7 market is the best current mobile market functionally. It works much better than the Android market and is a lot better than the Apple AppMarket in how it scrolls and display apps. That isn't saying the WP7 market has as many apps as the Android and Apple markets. But it does have a great many more than the WinMo market and there really is no comparison. The WP7 market currently has nearly 40,000 apps and in about a year will probably have over 100,000 because of how fast it's growing.

It does need some tweaking for better sorting and such. And the search function needs improvement. But I much prefer the functionality of the WP7 market to any other market and especially the old WinMo market.

Like I said, give WP7 Mango a try. You'll be impressed.
[Off-topic] upichie:
I think it wouldn't matter either way, considering the interface would be something created specifically for the car, or cars in general. Obviously you wouldn't have Ubuntu running on your dashboard when you have this.
[Off-topic] Akasa Fox:
I walked past my local Apple store today and noticed about 50 people lined up outside the store waiting to get in. It's ridiculous in my opinion.

I do like Apple's build quality, but I much prefer the Android OS. Google absolutely has me sold on this because of how well everything fits into my daily life and is centered around my phone.
[Off-topic] Intratech:
Would give a new meaning to "crash". Better have Ctrl+Alt+Del built into the steering wheel.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Terribly excited for Nokia World, step a side Google/Apple.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Nokia quality handsets with wp7 quality OS... I fell in love.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Indeed, feels like a little kid counting down until Christmas. :D