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[Off-topic] Gusar321:
You're limiting yourself here to one patent, that's why your arguments seemingly works. Keyword seemingly. But there's tons of patents, covering every trivial thing. If you try to build around all of them, you won't be able to build a product at all.

Also, you're talking as if "rectangle with rounded corners" is some brilliant invention worthy of a patent. That's absurd. And that a rectangular device, but with sharp corners (to avoid the patent), is something innovative. That's again absurd. And you're ignoring all the new things (in addition to all the not-new things) such a device could bring to the table, but it can't because the device is banned.
[Off-topic] IdiotSavante:
I wonder who's going to be their new figurehead?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You do know shows like that and The Simpsons are believe to cause brain rot?
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Again, what is and isn't innovation is opinion, opinions that only the board has the right to turn into reality. While I don't think the shape is particularly innovative clearly those who get paid for the job thought highly of it. Either way, they're both thieves, one of them will win, I'm rooting for the one with the better UX.
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
If true, that would explain it.

I suggest you turn the TV off. :D
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
But how would I find out about all things science related if I did that? Oh wait...I have a PC [smacks self]
[Off-topic] upichie:
You do know that smacking yourself on the head is believed to cause brain rot, right? ;)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Even if I type a smack?? Damn! Can't even type-smack muhself straight. :(
[Off-topic] TheSniperFan:
1.

I'm not trying to offend you, but people like you, that are using the "everything is subjective"-excuse are really annoying in such discussions.

2.

Rectangle: You get the most usable space for a display.

Rounded edges: It makes it ergonomic, so you can use it without pain, for longer times

Guess what. It took me longer to write this two reasons for using this shape, than I needed to come up with them.

Multiple persons thinking highly of something one random guy comes up with in less than a minute? I don't think so. Besides that, Microsoft had a tablet-PC much earlier and it had this shape as well.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I agree that some of the patents are not agreeable and just plain stupid but some of them are also very valid, so yes, everything is in fact subjective.
[Off-topic] N8ter:
Microsoft stole people hub from touch wiz and sense. We've already gone over this. Android has had talk built in how long? And Microsoft comes with the wlm/Facebook thing.

Microsoft doesn't get sued cause they are pretty good about licensing tech. They have a cross licensing agreement with apple. That's why those two are never suing each other.

Webos has cards. No one cares.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
xD, stole people hub from sense and touchwiz? Please, neither of those two contact management systems is even remotely useful and is nowhere near as thorough as the people hub. Good to see google taking a page from a real software company's book. I guess if they take a bunch of features, create a low-rent version of them, and combine them all then they'll... Oh wait, they'll have ICS.
[Off-topic] upichie:
If Touchwiz/Sense had a minimal version, and then WP7 had one with more features, and now Android natively has one with the same if not even more features, how exactly is Google stealing? It appears to me that technology is advancing. We all have social connections, and therefore we all want our phones to support those social connections. If every phone offers that, I say that's a good thing. It's not stealing, it's progression. Move on.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
what relation does the touchwiz contacts page have to the people hub? Also, given the SDK android's doesn't seem as full featured as wp7's
[Off-topic] upichie:
Well heck, if Android's is worse, then it's undeniable: Android copied. Good logic there. Please disregard any other valid points. You are the unparalleled king of debate. Gold medal, right there. Winner!

I nearly choked on my own sarcasm. ;)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Oooops...Apple haters aren't going to like this information one little bit. Android lovers are angry that Apple is using the drop-down taskbar in iOS5 that Android has always used. It seems I recall someone saying it would be something if Apple started using the screen indicator tap for changing pages.

I was just messing around with my iPhone 4 and happened to tap the right-most dot of the screen indicators and the screen scrolled to the left. Astonished, I tapped the dot next to it and nothing happened. Then I tapped the left-most dot and the screen scrolled to the right. Each time I tapped, the screen would scroll one more page in the specific direction.

It appears Apple has indeed incorporated the FroYo/Gingerbread type screen indicator tapping.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Eh, we ain't mad. What kind of world would it be if only certain people were allowed the best of things?

Appleland. That's what it would be. ;)
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Do you all think that's the closest Marty can bring himself to admitting apple stole from others? He does seem to lie quite a bit.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
This thread has become an on-topic trainwreck. The fanboyism in not admitting that apple stole is sad. I mean, Steve Jobs admitted to it. It's cool, they license anything patented that they steal if required. Neither side is innocent, they're both corporations and their primary concern is money. Google isn't the white knight and apple isn't a dark horse. They're companies approaching the same goal by different means.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
You sir, are absolutely correct.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
You ever heard the saying, "Possession is 9/10ths the law"? It's kind of difficult to steal something that nobody owns. I certainly don't consider anything not patented as being owned. It may be poor of a company or person to take something someone made or invented and patent it as their own, but the law doesn't consider it stealing without the person making a good case for it.

I know that, putting myself in this position, if I invented something and didn't apply for a patent, I would feel foolish if I allowed the world to know about it and someone decided to patent it. I wouldn't make a claim of stealing either, because it wouldn't be stealing. It would be my fault for allowing my invention out in the world where someone could take it.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
when it pertains to software patents, however, a large portion are so vague and/or are not even implemented by the companies holding the patent that deciding what you can and can't patent is pretty much entirely up to the board. That said, if you walk up to them with a complete OS and ask them to look through it and point out what can be patented for you you'll be laughed out of the room. Companies have legal departments that handle this to an extent but all in all, it is a very weak system. In my book, law doesn't take place over morality. A lot of our laws, in the U.S. at least, have a Christian foundation and thus I don't care for them. However, I have enough personal morality to distinguish between right and wrong. They're both thieves, trying to put the blame on one or the other is just stupid. The primary concern when progressing in technology should not be 'Who has the best legal department?'
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
Again. Z33 you are right on with this
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Yeah, I can see your side of it, too. What helps me to see it is, if we all lived in an honest and perfect world, one would expect to be open about his/her belongings and not have anyone take them without permission. This should be the case for companies as well. True enough, if someone or company invents something, it comes from them and in that perfect world, it would not be taken without permission. That should be the standard, Nobody or entity should take anything from anyone without express consent regardless if there isn't a patent on it.

Both Apple and Google have violated that "perfect world" standard. In Apple's case, it is a matter of moral lack of integrity. In Google's case it may be a matter of legal violation.
[Off-topic] zscomp:
Closed systems never had a future.If Apple continue this policy for long, people will start to flee.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
You know, I actually started building a prototype charge plate that, with my custom back cover tested on the HD2, charged your phone just by setting it on the plate. I have had to hand-engineer the backs so right now I only have one for my HD2 and my Omnia 7 since they're more or less my test devices. It works, it needs optimizing as the charge time is a bit slow but it works. I thought I would make money off of this, Microsoft patented it long before they built it. Apparently they have test models now but I am stuck with something that cost me 800 dollars to engineer to charge a few phones. I hate the patent system and in all actuality people like me, the little guys, are getting screwed over. The google issue doesn't hurt anyone, some licensing fees will be paid and they'll all remain multi-billion dollar companies. Without Jobs fronting Apple it may come to a halt anyway. Tim seems a little more shy and certainly not CEO material. Android is probably my last choice of the three big OSes, but it's a choice that people should have the right to choose.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I do agree and have stated it before...maybe even earlier in this same thread...that nobody should be allowed to patent anything without a working model. And I don't give distinction between how rich a company is or how poor for whether something is accepted as wrong or not. If Google breaks they law, they should pay, Same goes for Apple. If the poorest street corner beggar breaks the law, he/she should be just as liable as the richest.

If MS did indeed do that patent without a viable working model, to me that is very wrong. If MS did have a working model, even after you did, and patented it, they would be fully legal. It would be up to you to get your own patents. MS would have no way of knowing if anyone else had that invention without someone saying so or there being a patent.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Microsoft got their first working model in 2011, January I believe. I had mine functional 4 weeks before the public release of the leo/HD7 because I got one early as I was then a rep. that back plate was easiest to modify for obvious reasons. They patented it in 07 though. If a working model was required then I'd be wealthier, now Microsoft has one in production that when you set it on it, it charges your phone, can sync with your xbox/tv/computer from there to display texts and such, and can stream music to different sources. Mine was infinitely more basic, however the patent should've been mine.
[Off-topic] upichie:
*slow clap* :eek:

Awesome, z33. Just awesome. Couldn't agree more. :)
[Off-topic] vnvman:
I still have to find out how this patent bull actually affects the user in any way. 99% people around the world totally ignore this and feel totally fine with their iPhones/Androids alike imho. I can't see anyone going anywhere just because of these ****ty patents, just saying...
[Off-topic] xaccers:
It would be better if all patents had to be FRAND compliant, ie the patent holder must be paid a fair license fee but cannot refuse to license the patent to competitors or attach unreasonable terms.

That way competition is stimulated rather than stiffled and everyone benefits.
[Off-topic] Ellimistopher:
I don't like Apple's setup they use on their OS and their stuff feels weird to me when I use it. Android and Google's setup always just seemed so intuitive to me.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
According to this news, Google is threatened by Apple's Siri.

http://gizmodo.com/5856834/googles-eric-schmidt-is-scared-of-siri
[Off-topic] undercover:
Did you choose to ignore last paragraph where they say you should take the news with a pinch of salt?
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Of course he did, Marty only listens to iFacts :D

Remember when Microsoft claimed that Linux and MacOS were serious threats (so please don't find us guilty of anti trust)?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I'd call this genuine and serious. The threat that Google fears from Apple's Siri.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/07/siri-may-pose-competitive-threat-to-google-eric-schmidt-tells/
[Off-topic] xaccers:
At a hearing, where it is in Google's interest to make it look like there is competition and they are the little guys?

Well, I suppose you do have a history of believing fairytales...
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Samsung just beat apple in its appeal in Australia, and are arranging to sell their tablets in this market again. of note is the appeals judge found that the prior judge may have been a little biased towards apple

full article: http://hothardware.com/News/More-Legal-Wrangling-For-Apple/
[Off-topic] MrChaosDesire:
Well, Steve Jobs = Apple to me. Without him, I doubt anymore cool gadgets would be re-invented anymore since no one is smart or brave enough to do so like he did.
[Off-topic] Rudoslav:
we all know the answer...
[Off-topic] Bubsmash:
Okay well I am the original poster to this thread and really I do have to say WE as posters here are really getting off track here from what I wanted posted. Do I really give two craps about windows phones NO. Do I care about getting into a debate about which one does what better NO. What I have been researching here is why I feel for anyone with Apple products. Thing is when I posted this I was thinking I was going to be able to get a little more control out of my android phone when it comes to developing apps when it comes to customizing ect. One thing I can honestly say is I am really starting to NOT like google and there android OS either. Why do I say this well simple I have to so called jail brake my dam phone to get FULL dam control over the OS ITSELF. Lets face it most of us here with these phones THAT is the heart of this is being able to customize things the way WE want things customized. I tried telling Samsung my whole story as to why I needed root no matter what I did I could not open my phones true power as Samsung themselves still would not allow me root acesss to my phone. I myself I am an old linux user and I know if fallen into the WRONG hands like a total newb with root acess well in linux that can potentially be disasterious. If googles Android OS is set up anything like Linux is yes it could be disasterious. I was really hoping people would talk more here on a developmental purpose as that is what I was really doing my best to get at here. The apple lawsuit was a crock you all know that and if you dont start LOOKING BACK on TRUE history here. Apple has ALWAYS had THERE way of doing things and if you as a developer aproached them with an application if they dont like it your SOL that is all there is to it.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Hmmm...I wonder why Apple doesn't target phones from LG or Motorola or Microsoft? It seems the only phones Apple is targeting are phones that look just like the iPhone or are very similar. And tablets that look like the iPad are also targeted.

If someone says there's only so many ways a phone style can be designed, look at the Samsung Focus or a great many other phones that don't look like the iPhone or have its styling cues. It's apparent Samsung can design a phone that doesn't look like the iPhone. But Samsung knows people love the style and appearance of the iPhone and that's the reason Sammy makes their Galaxy S line of phones look like the iPhone rather than the Focus.
[Off-topic] edderrd:
For me apple have devices but google create a comunity with far beyond capabilities and customization, You have a real computer on your pocket :P
[Off-topic] bhu1:
Blah blah blah ! Apple still sucks bo matter what you say ! Samsung is the best !
[Off-topic] bhu1:
Absolutely right ! Thats why i left eating appled coz they suck !
[Off-topic] (aq):
apple is trying to sell a lifestyle, which makes it a total bandwagon product. a few people find it cool and the rest of the world has to have one, but at the end of the day they're a load of crap. iphone users don't get a phone that suites their personal needs or wants, they get a phone that apple feels suffices the whole worlds needs and wants. No personalizing ui, no roms, and those that do exist look like android ui's. about the only type of decision an iphone user has to make, are which carrier, and how much storage would they like? i'll always be an android user just because of the fact i can buy a phone with options, what os do i want, do i want a front facing camera, do i need a dual/single core, how much ram do i need for daily tasks? android makes many a phone for its users, and lets them decide what suites them. i like options.
[Off-topic] Jades007:
I also like options and Apple phones suck anyways. You can get a just as powerful Android or more powerful for cheaper. You can get a 1Ghz phone like the Xperia Neo for $500 and the iPhone cost $850 where I am. The design and the OS is crap. I also like options and customization instead of the $h!tty Apple interface. Android, you can make the layout anyway you want!
[Off-topic] StrikaX8:
It's understandable that Android is a problem for Apple, since we all know that anything Android related is a win over Apple's products, specially in price.

Next thing you'll see Apple copying Android, even though they already copied most of Linux OS stuff.

Apple is pathetic, always was. So are majority of their consumers :)
[Off-topic] hotdog2000:
Totally agree with you
[Off-topic] chrisnosleep:
Go back to AppleFanboy.com

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, and let me tell you, looking at your recent posts, that bubble is BIG, but the only thing Steve Jobs/Apple have ever done was popularize products and ideas that were already available. And yes, they did do that well. Do yourself some research and have a look for yourself. Let me break that down a little more for you. In simple terms, they stole these ideas as if to make them their own. Go ahead and look all the way back to their beginnings while you're at it.

They were great at advertising and marketing. Their products were NOT superior or fabulous, they were simple, like toys. They could take care of minor user demands, but that's where they stopped. They couldn't be used as a true tool that allowed total access to the device's capabilities. They filled the need of the generational gap, the baby boomers, and played up to the non-tech savvy kids, basically everyone who was ever afraid to click on the "Setup" or "Config" button. I'm sure they had other accomplishments, but I'm speaking mainly of their phones.

And talk about trolling, how many different sections did you start the thread "Apple vs. (phone model)"? And then you just try to inflict arguments as often as you get on. What is wrong with you? You're not changing anyone's opinion anywhere around here with your inflammatory remarks. Please stop. There are plenty of Apple fanboy sites around the internet, but coming into my phones threads with this crap is just asking for trouble.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Hurt your feelings did I? LOL
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
its sad that the apple fans have become more logical than a number of the android users... Apple used to be the unreasonable ones.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Yeah. As popularity grows, even the most apparently unpleasant people will swarm the populace. Well, such is the world, you'll meet some of the more unpleasant people and some of the more pleasant people.

The world is not perfect and most definitely people.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
While it's correct that there are unreasonable folk among Android supporters, "Apple fans" and "logical" do not fit into the same sentence.

And I must say, you picked a bad example to make your point. Because BHuvan goyal's points are actually correct - Apple *does* want to be the only one on the market. That's why they're going for sales bans, instead of using, say, Microsoft's approach. And Apple fans *will* buy iDevices no matter what. How people are flocking towards the minor upgrade that is iPhone4S shows this quite well.

Also, you have this thing where you see one Android fan writing crap (the end of BHuvan goyal's post would be an example of that), and you immediately take that as the "standard" of Android supporters. But it doesn't phase you when Apple fans are constantly hailing Apple as the inventors of everything - when most of that stuff has been on the market in a similar form years before.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I haven't visited an apple forum in some time but I publicly mock people who think ios is something revolutionary since their market is their only sale point. I certainly don't take that as the standard, their are numerous people who could blow even my knowledge of smart phones out of the water here but we can't deny that the number of unintelligent ones has been on the rise. IOS doesn't want to be the only one on the market, they're just trying to stay competitive. They're scared so they're using something that remains in their arsenal.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
If that is your point for the indication of illogical behavior then some or most android users fall into this category. Go and ask users of an sgs 2 as to why they bought their device. Mainly for the processor/power of course, and then they will state some minor features in order to justify the decision.

Go read the posts on this forum. Anything related to a new phone "Man this will be a beast with xGhz and x cores" Or if the benchmarks are released "Man this is a beast, my next phone for sure"

Anyways the point I am making is you seem to be confining this "illogical" behavior to Apple fans, which simply isn't true.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree. I'm an Apple fan and very logical. I don't plan to get an iPhone 4S either. I love my iPhone 4 but know it's boring as hell. I also love my Inspire 4G. I love my Focus and WP7...though I have been insanely pissed at MS about the updating system. In fact, I love all tech and phones...except Blackberry, of course.

I've found the Samsung fans to be the most illogical. For some reason Samsung just can't do any wrong in their books.
[Off-topic] Jacky444:
Apple is just currently in possition of having resources to make all other "small" companies fall.

But since Google & Samsung are big companies that dont just take **** from gigant we wont see android fall.

Apple might fall in future.

I do not like apple at all. My first and last product was iPhone 4 which is total rip off if you ask me, changed for Huawei Ideos X5 which im more then setisfied with now (such a change, 700 euros for 250) only problem i have is the stupid mic quality, rest its just as good as apple and cheaper.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
You seemed to have missed a sentence of my post. This one: "While it's correct that there are unreasonable folk among Android supporters..."

So no, I'm not doing what you claim. What I am saying is that the percentage of unreasonable/illogical ones is larger in the Apple camp compared to the Android camp.
[Off-topic] ikkuh61:
Apple vs Google = Closed vs Open.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
That was the thing. You used two separate words, unreasonable and illogical, which are in fact two different meanings. Unreasonable being nonnegotiable in my books, and illogical in the sense that, it simply does not add up. So yes most if not some android users and unreasonable and illogical along with apple users. The overall point being is that you cannot use that as an argument in favor of Google or android as they both display these negativities.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Not nearly to the same degree. At least that's my view, my experience watching and/or participating in various discussions.