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[Motorola Photon 4G] Sidewinder7:
I don't see how it will have the same battery life. The pentile screen on the Photon is why the MoPho has good life, the sgs2 has a larger samoled plus which may look better (possibly debatable based on the resolution) but wll drink more juice.

Battery life is nice, but not a huge decider unless one phone's is dismal.
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
as far as i am concerned the screen is one of its features..

im guessing teh same goes for the photon? when you cant pay your bill you just use webtop mode?

anyways i know the sgs2 will be a more powerful phone, and the photon will be overlooked between it and teh evo3d. even still tho my photon is on its way, there will be many things i miss about my nexus but im hoping ill get over it soon enough :)

oh and fyi to anyoen that thinks teh tegra 2 platform is better for gaming

::cough:: http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....PH-D700 Epic 4G&D4=Samsung GT-i9100 Galaxy S2

>_>

just sayin....
[Motorola Photon 4G] Overstew:
Sgs2 for Sprint is sporting an 1800 mAh battery.
[Motorola Photon 4G] nezb:
Will the Sprint SGS2 have a kickstand?
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
No.........
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
right.. but so far there hasnt been any kind of support like that.... in fact didnt nvidia just recently show off tegra 3?

my point with glbenchmark is they do all the testing on a lot of phones and devices, the tegra 2 in terms of gpu performance was about on par with teh humming bird, now that exynos is out its been sweeping and mopping the floor with every chipset currently out. the tegra 2 has been out long enough to get plenty of software adjusted to it. not saying its a horrible soc, just not as groundbreaking as exynos. samsung does make some pretty nice hardware hence why apple chose them for the iphone's cpu/gpu in all current ios devices and samsung has made 2 nexus devices to date
[Motorola Photon 4G] jfenton57:
You're not really going to tell us that MOTO is better than Samsung relative to software are you?

I went through 3...2 from BB and one from Sprint. My buddy in NH went through three...one from Sprint and two from BB all with lockups, shutdowns, 20 seconds to dial out after dialing at times and the silent call issues.

No manufacturer tests them like they should before they release but MOTO really dumped this one on us.
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
I agree Samsung does make good hardware. But will it be like the Epic? Always waiting on source? What works with the Europe version won't help our version? Waiting for working Aosp kernel? I can't go though that again. Although if it's as good as the Photon, I can use it the way it is.
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
the issue with teh epic is that it was so different, keyboard and wimax.. led notification the list goes on. as for source for teh epic samsung has actually been pretty good about it, one time they released source before the ota even started. the issue with software on it is due to sprints craptastic idea of putting sprint id on it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
Then there's the cool name. We have the Mopho. What will the Epic 4g touch have? Can't touch this? Lol
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
And it makes me smile when I read posts like these... Unless you have other ways of viewing and interacting with your phone, the screen is the most important part of the phone, don't you think? Or is the vibrating power the feature that makes you make your decision on your next phone?
[Motorola Photon 4G] beartrap:
Another factor nobody's mentioned yet is that when Google announced it was buying Moto, the South Korean government (aka Republic of Samsung) announced they would develop a new OS since they wanted to burn Google for competing with them. There's also a rumor that Samsung is going to buy WebOS for the same reason. So what do you think the chances are that Samsung is going to devote any significant resources to Android fixes and updates?
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
http://t.co/6E5T723 In the video it looks fast and smooth.

Sent from my unlocked rooted Mopho!
[Motorola Photon 4G] Djspinister:
Still don't think it will be faster than our Tegra chip. Not by a long shot.
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
I love my Photon, dude and I'm still debating on whether I should pass it on to my son or not and get me the SGS2... But to say what you just said, is pretty much being in denial, bro.

Sent from my MoPho...
[Motorola Photon 4G] beartrap:
You've got it made. I'd go for it if I were in your situation. Get the SGS2 and try it out. If you don't like it, take your MoPho back and hand down the SGS2.
[Motorola Photon 4G] my2cents:
Where does all the GS2 hype come from? I know they like them overseas, but they don't like ice in their drinks... :p
[Motorola Photon 4G] mikel719:
I lmao when I read that.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ORam78:
Well said, their development sucks!
[Motorola Photon 4G] inimitableac:
I hate to say it but its going to be chock full of old epic users which means constant trolling, unnecessary threads purposely created to start ****, and ungrateful users. That alone makes me not want the phone alot. Go to the Dev section in here read and you'll notice nothing is off topic or turned in to full on flaming. The community means alot to me seeing as though I dont develop. Give me 5 quality roms maybe CM7 and I'm good which should be easy with the similarities to the atrix.

Sent from my PHOTON blaster!
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
i hate to break it to you, but i ran to the nexus s 4g forums wishing for the same..

wait til some more epic users upgrade not all will go back to samsung.. a few will come here....

the nexus s forums were a nice utopia before sprint users showed up.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CarbolDroid:
First post. Hi guys,

I've been struck with the same thought... my 30 days with the photon is up on sept 16th and I'm really not sure what I'm going to do.

Thats besides the point: Who cares about sammys awful after sale software support? aren't we all gonna put ROMs on these things anyway? and to that end, I think GS2 has the advantage. In sheer numbers and, well, CM devs got free phones so that helps. I wasn't sure about mopho but its been an easier root and the kernal release...

SG2 has lower screen res, but mopho has a pentile... ARGH!

I guess no matter what I end up with it will have better battery life than the evo3D I did have. I think these phones are just about equal in all respects. Perhaps the SG2 gets the edge because it does have NFC (which I think will explode onto the scene with the iphone5) and its also thinner. I DONT KNOW! SOME ONE MAKE UP MY MIND!
[Motorola Photon 4G] sonysw:
World phone GSM versus CDMA only, battery life and good reception. These are what I need to be considered a good phone. If SGS II has this capability, I would jump ship.
[Motorola Photon 4G] 632627:
I love my photon, everything works great, but im in love with the samoled plus screen and am considering the sgs2. I am very hesitant however due to the awful experience I had with the original epic. Always had problems with bluetooth, gps and wifi. No matter how good the sgs2 screen may be, it won't be good enough to make up for decreased functionality due to ****ty radios.
[Motorola Photon 4G] darktranquility18:
Ive been using the international version of the phone on at&t. If the epic 4g is identical, ima say its gonna be one heck of a phone. Exynos is a lot faster imo. Ive got the photon, sg2 and gtab 10.1 and well the gs2 kills both of them. Its thinner, lighter, love the screen and there always tends to be more devs for samsung phones. The gs2 has been out for a while and cuz that and the epic have similar specs, im assuming a majority of tweaks are gonna be easily implemented right away
[Motorola Photon 4G] hayabusa1300cc:
I love my photon. But that gs2 looks sick.. so fast. Im a geek freak. I have to at least try it. Even when the epic destroyed samsung for me. Even if I don't like it, which I really doubt, I can trade easy with someone with a photon easy.

.: sent from Planet Photon:.
[Motorola Photon 4G] darktranquility18:
Lol my 30 day period is over so if you do get the sg2 and dont like it and wanna trade, lemme know haha
[Motorola Photon 4G] Semseddin:
Couldn't agree you more as a technician myself. Plus, i should add that internal design and equipment quality used in samsungs, htcs and lgs aren't nowhere near a motorola engineered phone.

Briefly, samsung is big manufacturer who seek for quantity instead of quality. Not just the phones but in all of their products.
[Motorola Photon 4G] flash_c4:
How about, "Don't wanna touch this!" Having to support users in a corporate environment using Samsung devices from several carriers and having had an Epic before I kicked it to the curb for the Photon has made me loathe Samsung. I don't want to support something that doesn't get proper support from the manufacturer which then causes grief.
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
Also looks like it will have a $350 early termination fee.

Sent from my unlocked rooted Mopho!
[Motorola Photon 4G] KING SKILLZ:
Wow, this is a tough call judging by all the comments, really glad I returned the evo3d, think the best thing for me is to sit back & see how this plays out development wise. Xda support might be my deciding factor.
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
It always is... At least for me! lol :p
[Motorola Photon 4G] halorin:
I've wanted a SGS2 for a long time, but I have never owned a Samsung Android phone. I haven't seen too many success stories, and plenty of failures. The Photon is my first Motorola Android phone. It's grown on me a lot.

The screen will probably sway me. I didn't know Sprint's version would be 4.5.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CCallahan:
Very tough indeed. I was craving the SGS2 when switching from the ogEVO but it just didn't come out in time. Luckily, the Photon came out because I wasn't that into the 3D.

Motorola has always made solid devices. The Photon is no exception. I love the styling, weight, and the screen has never bothered me. Much better screen than the EVO had. Love the kickstand, radios, and call clarity. GPS hooks up almost right away. Everything is smooth and fast and the Webtop interface kicks butt.

As for the Samsung....they make good devices also. Screen on the Sammy is top notch & Samsung chips are always top of the line. Problem I have with Samsung is the continuing support. I have never had a Samsung phone for that long but have purchased 3 flatpanel TV's and all are of great quality. However, support drops on them after about 4 months of ownership. One is still fairly new and isn't even a current model on the website anymore. They seem to move from model to model so fast they do have time to give the proper support. Granted, there will be a good group of XDA devs to help with that.

Currently, there is really nothing I don't like about the Photon. Plus, I have the HD dock and mobile keyboard/mouse. My experience so far is Motorola has much better support and has been in the mobile game far longer. So, looks like I will be happily sticking with the MoPho. ;)
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
MY decision was made when Google bought (or will be buying) Moto Mobility. As soon as that news came out, I went and bought the Photon and won't look back. Just bought my wife one as well. Anyone who thinks Google WON"T give THEIR Phones Preferential Treatment lives in fairytale land (Google PAID ALOT of money for Moto Mobility). The Photon will get updates before the SGS2 will (bank on that), plus Sammy already has a horrible rep as far as updating their phones, NO THANKS.
[Motorola Photon 4G] reddragon72:
as a ex vibrant owner I must say that hardware issues that I had tied with bad software and US carrier support has driven me away from Sammy. It was not totally Sammy's fault for the crappy upgrade times but the bad hardware and crappy software was.

And before anyone says anything about my mention of crappy hardware and software let me say this. The SGS in Europe and other parts of the world did not have the same issues found in the US variants. And the lack of US HDMI was a total fail as well as the extremely flaky GPS was seriously a killer for me. The software that Sammy put out was always froth with issues as well, down to the video driver support that didn't utilize the full potential of the GPU.

Battery life

SGS(Vibrant stock 2.2) 18 hours till dead setting, 12 hours use with 1h45m screen on

Photon(stock 2.3.4) 28 hours little use, 19 hours use with 3h55m screen on.

that alone makes me wonder about the AMOLED screen and battery life.

my only issue currently with the Photon is the radio lockup and the phone rebooting itself when that happens. Other then that it is FAST, lasts the whole day with heavy use, and has more bells and whistles then I can count!

So between SGS2 and Photon.... Photon wins hands down!!

Oh and icing on the cake... The Korean gov telling sammy and LG to move away from Android..... TOTAL FAIL!!!
[Motorola Photon 4G] LouieGrandie:
Other than the fact it doesn't work as a phone, it's a great phone. This is the reason I turned mine back in. Even with the MR5 and all the other tips and tricks the phone was still having the no audio issue and rebooting itself when that happened. I realize a lot of people suggested just getting a new one but there are enough people reporting that they are on the 3rd or 4th Photon with the same issues. I had two pre-Android Sammys and they were rock solid so I am willing to give this one a try. If not I can always go for the iPhone in a month.

Here is my question. Is there ANY Android phone out there without serious issues? It seems that every phone I have looked at has someone saying it is the worst piece of crap they have ever used. I am sure an hour after the first SGS2 is picked up someone will post what piece of crap it is. So what do you go with?
[Motorola Photon 4G] shabbypenguin:
as ive stated in this thread i think the sgs2 will be the better phone, in terms of hardwarte and software (who cares about stock?) as this time around the sgs phones are similar enough that the core functions should work from phone to phone.. ergo none of this bastard child epic.. as it was awesome to have teh best version of teh phone, due to the differences it made it much harder to port things.

however here is why im getting the mopho, in 3 years time what will anyone be doing with their sgs2? trading it in to get the sgs4 im sure. my mopho? it will still be hooked up to my tv used for netflix and hulu as well as an htpc with webtop (hopefully soon someone makes a hack to make it full debian/ubuntu). why you ask? cuz i have a 360 but most of the time its used for those two services.. i can instead use the phone and do so much more then just stream those but at the same time use a LOT less electricity.
[Motorola Photon 4G] limeaid:
Another photon owner considering the switch to the GS2 here. I love my photon so far, but I do have one major complaint that no one else seems to have mentioned yet (or maybe I'm the only one that cares).

The camera on the Photon is HORRENDOUS. Color accuracy is horrible and it performs terribly in low light.

The reviews on the EU GS2 say that it has the 2nd best camera phone (next to the Nokia N8) so that is a huge plus for me. If the initial reviews of the Sprint Epic GS2 say that it has comparable battery life to the Photon and decent radios, I'll be trading up on Sept. 16th.
[Motorola Photon 4G] CCallahan:
I agree that for some the camera is important so please don't take the following as a personal attack. Not directed solely at you.

I must just say this: All cameras on phones are crap! Ok, I said it. Had to get that out.

If you want to take good pictures buy a freakin camera people. I don't care what hardware/software they put in them the lenses are too darn small. We should all be happy these devices even take pictures.

Now I'm done. :p
[Motorola Photon 4G] limeaid:
No offense taken here, but I completely disagree with your premise.

Look, I don't feel like lugging my DSLR with me everywhere I go. Even a point and shoot isn't something I want to keep with me at all times. There are times when I am out and about and want to capture a quick shot. I don't expect much, but I expect the image to be passable and usable

Sadly, this seems to be too much to ask of the Photon's camera. Plenty of other phones have cameras which I would consider passable. Why is the Photon's such a piece of crap?
[Motorola Photon 4G] Sidewinder7:
IF the camera on the Photon is Horrendous, I would hate to see the Evo3D,s most reviews I have read have rated the Photon's camera much better then the Evo3d. That being said I would expect Samsung phones to have good cameras, It was the bright spot of my Epic.
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
Maybe the pics are as good as the photographer who takes them? just saying...
[Motorola Photon 4G] reddragon72:
I use my Mopho for all my shots just as the Vibrant before it. Now that I have a bunch of shots from the Mopho I find it has better quality then the Vibrant had by a good margin. I also love the video on it and the fact that I can do a digital zoom, yea DZ sucks but it's there, while filming.

As for my only complaint about my mopho is that yes it does shutdown and the radio locks up for some reason. As for it being a big pita... not really since I hardly ever use the phone part and it only happens maybe once a day at most. So yea it is a bit of a pain, but the features and speed out weight that one issue. And I'm sure it will be fixed soon as Moto is very aware of it.
[Motorola Photon 4G] lroy:
my brother in law has the epic, great phone, great screen and i like alot of the other things about it like the usb has a little door to keep dust and such out. when the epic two comes out, im gonna stick with the mopho

the reason im gonna stick with my mopho..

1. the epic does not have much support. he always gets a headache with rooting.

2. there is not as much history with samsung and android as there is moto and android.

3. 1.2ghz is just gonna be more of a batt hog. (when i tricked out my evo, i could get 70 hours of light use and around 40 hours of heavy use) when development picks up with the photon, i think its battery life will be sick!

4. GSM capabilities and operates under more cdma networks. it will always have better signal.

5. mopho has better screen resolution.

reasons i would change to epic 2 if i did...

1. less weight

2. bluetooth 3.0 is on the samsung

yeah the epic2 is kickin but in europe, but i think it will be a different story in america.

im super happy with the mopho bc its my phone, and i expect to have signal and have the ability to make calls as a phone should. i think moto makes a more rugged product. their walkies, cable boxes, phones and such are all strong. hold a samsung remote for a tv in your hand and see what you think . imo

as far as cameras, i think they all blow my expectations away. sure beats hauling the old 35mm around with cans of film for just going out to the lake or hunting. for serious nature and sports shooting, a big boy camera is always the best. but for just around the corner, all of them beat the old nokias! anything over 1.3mp will make me happy.
[Motorola Photon 4G] limeaid:
Agree that the Evo3D is even worse. The camera on that phone was one of the dealbreakers for me.

I'm generally happy with my Photon. But if the GS2 turns out to be comparable in terms of battery life and radio, has a better camera and superior processor performance, and is thinner in size, all at the same price point, why would I not upgrade? I do hear others who say that Samsung may not have as much support from the dev community, but for me, all I need is for the phone to be rooted at some point.
[Motorola Photon 4G] loveableterror:
What makes you say this. The moment had it's issues for sure but what makes you believe this one will be unreliable?
[Motorola Photon 4G] bricky23:
Well I have one day to return my Mopho. But I am keeping it. I have had the Evo, the Epic, the Evo 3d, And now the Photon. I have been waiting for the SGS2 for a long time. Now that it's almost here, I have to ask myself what will be next? The Nexus prime should be out soon, and maybe the Iphone 5. And what after that? There will always be something better on the horizon. Instead of looking at the great phone that may be here in a couple months, I am going to enjoy what I have. The Photon has better reception than any other phone I have had with sprint, which is very important to me. The dock Is something I also use allot. Even when the touch comes out, it will take some time to see if the reception, battery life, and other things are working well or not. And by then there will be some other phone I may want. Had the Epic Touch come out 3 months ago, I am sure I would have gotten it on launch day. But now I will stick with the Photon. The best phone I have used to date.
[Motorola Photon 4G] flipper12:
Hop on any Samsung Epic or Moment forum and ask them about Gingerbread, GPS working, etc. and ask them how quickly Samsung responded to their requests for fixes.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
EXACTLY:D:D These Phones ARE NOT DEDICATED CAMERAS. If you want to take good/great pics, GET A FREAKING CAMERA!!!!! The Camera on phones is to take shots while out and about. The pics look fine to me (From my OG EVO to my Photon). I could careless about pic quality becuase I have a Dedicated Camera for REAL PICTURE TAKING.
[Motorola Photon 4G] ghodzilla5150:
I can atest to this. I had the 1st Palm Pre when it came out (Day 1). It had and still has the BEST Phone/Tanlet OS (WebOS) out there. Well I went thru 7 Palm Pre's and SPrint finally gave in and gave me a Samsung Moment. I would have rather stayed with the Palm Pre. The Moment is a HUGE, I mean HUGE POS. No updates and Sammy could careless. From then on I swore off Samsung Phones. I don't care how pretty their screens are, they DON'T update their phones in a timely manner and with Google purchasing Moto Mobility, guess which phone will be Google's goto phone, that's right the powerful Photon or Nexus Prime (which I would not be shocked if it is made bby Motorola). You don't spend all that cash and not give Moto a lil more than the rest.
[Motorola Photon 4G] limeaid:
I guess some ppl have issues with reading comprehension. I thought I made it pretty clear that I don't consider a camera phone a serious picture taking device. I just want it to take decent photos when I am out and about. Maybe I have different standards than you as to what is considered passable. Maybe the photon's camera is good enough for you but I find it to be pretty poor and unable to fulfil this very simple task. There are plenty of phones out there that take better photos. Why couldn't motorola do a better job with the camera especially for a high end device?

And one final comment to those who are saying that a phone shouldn't be judged for its camera. Who are you to judge what I or anyone else values about a phone? I already told you that I care about the camera. Do you really think it's helpful for you to tell me you don't?
[Motorola Photon 4G] HondaCop:
I agree buddy... Yet some of them want quad cores on their phones as if they were going to rip blurays while they play Need for Speed all on their cell phone.

Sent from my MoPho...
[Motorola Photon 4G] Becoming:
Samsung hired the main CM dev and gave them free gs2 to work with (the international version). So, I'd hesitate to assume that development will be lagging for the US versions unless the carriers screw things up.

Overseas Samsung seems to release updates and source faster than anyone else. I just hope that continues for the US this time around.
[Motorola Photon 4G] abrcrmdl23:
So I had an epic and a nexus and i'm sorry I love my photon and will Never go back to a Samsung phone. I had so many issues with them, to start the GPS on both the phones was so horrible it would never pick up a signal, the radio in the nexus is horrible, my wife has one and even with cyanogen it still sucks. The gs2 has the same radios not cool. Touch wiz isn't terrible but it is so intertwined into Android that updates are almost non existant. I will stick with googorola from now on quality hardware and updates and radios are great.