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[Off-topic] Swiftks:
It's actually quite simple, Apple iPhone's are for every day novice type users, while Android phones are for more advanced users.

Case in point, after I was done waiting in line this morning to get my wife a new 4S. The AT&T sales person was so excited about the new iPhone, telling me how they all played with it last night after they closed, and how fast it was, etc. etc.... I said yeah, kind of funny/weird how they underclocked it to 833 MHz... he looked at me like a cow looking at a new gate???? I might as well have been speaking greek. Oh well, I told him I'd be back when the Nexus Prime is released... I look forward to sleeping in, not waiting 2 hrs early in line, and walking right in to get one.
[Off-topic] TheTlang:
While the article in the OP has little to do with Google V Apple and more to do with Samsung V Apple. I am still voting Google on this war. As it was said earlier in the thread, little green robots > half-eaten fruit.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
You guys have to stop looking at the perspective of a seasoned computer user and with the idea that everyone else is just like you. No one is like us, that is why we are called a minority. Hence why the statement "Android users are for more advanced users" is totally invalid. In the sense that android is not only for advanced users. Yes it has the capability but that is not its purpose or marketing target, do not mix them up. If Google's marketing target was seasoned users they wouldn't even be so popular. No, they are aiming at apple users, meaning the "day novice type user".
[Off-topic] MrParo:
I'd say android is marketed at both novice and advanced users while iOS is for novice users only. Also I see a lot of people are comparing the population of customers for both phone OS's and their maturity level: while I agree there is a difference between the two, it is not a valid point in why Apple or Google is the better OS or company. Of course you could say that it's the consumers that help the companies decide the nature of their product: well to that I can say I've met a lot of angry Apple customers and I myself have broken a few android phones.

But for my two cents...

Little Green Robots > Half-Eaten Fruit :)
[Off-topic] dakine:
Interesting little thread so here is my not so humble view:

Software wise Apple still makes a better product than Google. Yes its annoying to admit but its true, its just a more mature OS and it shows. No idea if ICS will close the gap but i will be really impressed if it does.

Hardware wise they win again from virtually all android handsets that ive seen. Its just a premium device with the exception that the screen is really too small. No idea why other companies insist on using nasty plastic backs and/or cant come up with nice designs. IMO any decent industrial designer could come up with something more pleasing than the basic shape of a galaxy s II. Does Samsung really step back and think they created something beautiful after drawing up yet another variation of the same ****? But then again why are most cars ugly and movies terrible, maybe its just me.

I keep reading that Jobs was a visionary and how he changed the world. He was a smart guy but no genius. Trained monkeys could have come up with that if you make something look and feel nice people will buy it. Apple's tremendous success says less about Steve and more about his competitors.

Apple dropped the ball with the screen size of the 4s so this is Android's best chance to take the lead. But i'm afraid there are stil too many eggheads making important decisions on both hardware and software to make that happen.
[Off-topic] wendellc:
I honestly like good plastic and plastic doesn't necessarily have to look cheap. As far as iPhone 4 is concern, the design is very minimalist, simple and just pleasing to look at. The LG black took design cues from ipjine 4 and looks great also, the metal trim of iPhone gives it a premium look.

Carbon Kevlar phone, lightweight and tough. My g2x is way heavy, I can crack someones head open with it.
[Off-topic] Manik24:
Android definitely gives COMPLETE control of the device to the user. iOS follows locked-down kind of mindset, hence less exploits.

People who have Androids for quite a time now are getting much more productivity than Apple phones.

Little Green Robots > Half-Eaten Fruit :p
[Off-topic] manny1983nyc:
Blah

Just got my iphone 4s in the mail today and i regret it already after 5 hours,this os is so lame and boring theres nothing to it got to spoiled on android with customizing everything,not much different from when i had the very first iphone.forgot about no flash too wtf was i thinking listening to all these paid off reviewers that always give it over rated reviews and the pics are good but not as good i dont care what anyone says.pics i have take with my epic 4g touch are cleaner,brighter,sharper and better even when compared on my desktop,even with the random minor issues my 4g touch had it is still better by far.every issue could but fix with updates that should be around the corner.iphone 4s is a mistake and waste of money unless u like no flash or sd slot or just dont like doing cool things to the appearance of your phone,very plan os.selling on ebay tonight already reconnected my epic 4g touch,now i will never leave android.

you have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Off-topic] shmootz:
Haha! Well said :D
[Off-topic] CrazyCharlie:
iOS is extremly smooth and polished. Easy to do when every piece of software operating in that OS is approved by Apple. But to say that their hardware is better? No way. The minute any new iPhone is released the hardware is out of date. Android phones have faster processors, better cameras and bigger screens. Apple's development cycle will never catch up. The new iPhone isn't even 4G capable. It's a dinosaur.
[Off-topic] bleach168:
Give me quality plastics and gorilla glass.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
I call BS Plenty of "Every day" type users use android. If only "Advanced users" used android, the market share would be alot lower. Kinda like Linux Vs Windows.

See by Lining up in the first place you yourself are contributing to the Apple marketing machine and the hype. Your wife could not have waited a couple of days? or ordered one online? Why did you need to line up?

Also by trying to act smart and superior to the sales person you achieved the opposite effect. You also sounded like a douche. It was perfectly reasonable for him to expect that someone who was lining up for an iphone might be interested and want to hear about his experiences with it. Furthermore it would have done nothing to change his preferences and impressed absolutely no one else in line.

I'm sure you made him feel terribly embarrassed and in awe of your superior knowledge when you gave him your money and walked out of the store, past all the other people in line with your (wifes) iphone, and Im sure apple will be cursing your name for all the business you have created for them by telling all the "Average people" you know that they should get an iphone since Android is only for "experienced and advanced users" like yourself. But no worries stay on your high horse because with android fans like you who needs Apple adds?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Gorilla glass is fragile. And the iPhone 4 uses GG on the front. So what you essentially have is the same as an SGS/2 but with a metal frame. The SGS/2s usually have GG and a plastic frame. The iPhone 4 has GG and a metal frame.
[Off-topic] dakine:
Spec wise it's debatable but the average user cares less about theoretical speeds and incremental bumps in cpu/gpu speeds and more about the general feel of a device. The iphone 4 simply looks and feels like a quality piece of kit more so than any android phone on the market today. At the end of the day most people don't care that a phone is perhaps 10 to 20 percent slower at some benchmark since those things have very little impact on the perception of quality. It's true that there is a fringe minority that seem to somehow tie a product's (theoretical) performance to their own happiness or self esteem but that's not the norm.

On the subject of broken screens: The iphone 4 is more susceptible to that due to the design of the bezel but that is no excuse for the lackluster designs of most Android phones. It is completely possible to use premium materials and still provide some sort of drop protection.
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
Totally subjective. Totally. I adore HTC metal bodies, now that is a quality feeling piece of kit

to me

. Quality means durability and longevity to me, you need glass on the front but for the love of god why on the back?

When the original Ipod came out, it felt like a 'quality piece of kit' too, much more so than it's competition. When I had my 6th 3.5mm jack fail in around two years, I gave up on Apple completely until the Iphone launch.
[Off-topic] MrParo:
Like many have pointed out before the iPhone has no SD card. Which is a total waste imho. $199 for 16 gb's and $299 for 32 gb's. A total $100 difference which could easily have been made up through the use of a 16 gb SD card which costs at most 30 bucks. Now once again Apple wants to squeeze more money from you by making a 64 GB device for $399 another 100 bucks added. Well a 32 gb microSD card costs around $40-50. Now if this isn't greed I don't know what is. Also with that $400 price tag I could find many other ways to better spend my money then getting an iPhone. If price isn't important to you well then go ahead and waste your money.

Edit: Btw I have a 16 gb SD card over 3 years old now that I've used in 3 different phones and an mp3 player. Transferable memory and you don't need to buy a new SD card based on some over-hyped company's release cycle. Hopefully my 2 cents can save you 200 :)
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
If they could come up with a material as strong and resilient as metal with the shininess of glass, they would use it. Apparently wanted a shiny surface on the back to match the front. I love it. I think it looks gorgeous. But one thing I would have preferred is a chrome frame. I think that would be most beautiful. The shininess of the front and back with a chrome metal surround. And not just any chrome, triple layer chrome, with the first layer of nickel, the second copper and a thick, lustrous, well polished chrome plate over it all.

Maybe they will do that in a future iPhone...one can hope.
[Off-topic] Bubsmash:
Personally myself I have never liked Apple anything since my uncle started building some of the first home computers that Apple made. My uncle also did not really like them at all either which was way back in 1985. Really if you look at it nothing has changed at all with how they do business.

There all a bunch of brain dead nerdy bozos that think nothing they do stinks which in turn is what turns off allot of us that have our own brains that can think for ourselves.

If you think about it really in all honestly they have always lacked in THERE OWN development of sofware. They are just getting better now with Hardware but not by much really. If you think about it hardware wise they have always been behind the IBM systems for years and years.

Why everyone else has to follow along with all this jazz with the Ipods and the Iphones like YEAH I get it they had a few good ideas like finally they got there heads out of there butts.

Now there just trying to protect that because they even know themselves they have had nothing but bad ideas for years and years so there trying to cash in.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
eh, as a software company they beat out anyone but Microsoft and as far as hardware goes, if it runs faster on a dual core than other OSes run on a quad core then why do we need the downsides of a quad core?
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
So you care more about what it looks like than how it functions or holds up to use?

I'm sorry;
[Off-topic] vs511:
Software wise iOS is more mature, as one of the users above said.

Applications wise, again, iOS wins. iOS has more and better apps as compared to Android. So here iOS wins both by quantity and quality. iOS has been specialized to run on specific hardware. This. This kinda proves that Android is less optimized and iOS outsmarts it with less tech specs. So, you need not worry about hardware. Software is the thing to debate about. No doubt Android is super customizable and iOS is pretty simplistic and not so customizable. Both are pretty good. Somehow I just don't love Android. It's user preference after all.

All the fandroids quote this post and e-beat me.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Im glad to see people finally see androids flaws...

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While the screens crack far too easy how it functions is great, it's fluid, it's seamless, the UI is just smooth, no fragmentation, everything works and works well... Android never could do that, the UX is terrible... That's why iOS is as big as it is. Android is only so heavily sold as an alternative to the iPhone. If they moved the iPhone to every carrier in the world android would be brought down to next to nothing.
[Off-topic] chrisnosleep:
You're as disillusioned as Fred Phelps. Funny reading you're posts though. Keep trying!
[Off-topic] dakine:
That's a bit hyperbolic, Android is behind but not by that much. Im confident that within 2 years Android will match or surpass ios in features and stability. Its a young OS and ICS is coming next week so saying that Android just sucks is plain fanboyism. When consumers start overlooking facts and instead become some sort of insane cheerleaders for companies they have no part in, they do nothing but hurt the brand they so belligerently support.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
IOS offered that stability and level of features from the start, as does WP7. Android's purpose is to give you something open-source. It begs the question, what do you prefer? Stability and functionality, or customization? I for one will always take something that just works over something I have to mod on all fronts to get it to a usable state. To me, it's like choosing between a motorcycle or a bicycle, a lawn mower motor, and some tools. I'll take the motorcycle that's going to run nicer regardless of how much work I put into the bicycle.
[Off-topic] dakine:
Your argument is flawed, how did IOS offer all those features from the start that would make IOS 2 3 4 and 5 superfluous. So Apple just released those for ****s and giggles? Use your head mate dont buy into the marketing.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Most iOS updates are fairly minor. They often add one or two big shiny new features (siri and notification center) and the rest is often just updates to some of their built in applications. As far as the quality of features go though, it has been there from the beginning.
[Off-topic] PoisonWolf:
Okay....now this is retarded.

Was copy and paste there in the beginning?

Was retina display there in the beginning?

Was "multi-tasking" there in the beginning?

Was facetime there in the beginning?

Was the use of IPS display there in the FIRST THREE GENERATIONS?

Was the TV-OUT there in the beginning?

Was the "Android Notification Bar" there in the beginning?

Was MobileMe there in the beginning?

Was the front-facing camera there in the beginning?

And the list goes on.

Come on now, make use of your brain a little before you post.

Sometimes I can't tell if you're a fanboy or something worse.
[Off-topic] Intratech:
This guy must be trollin'
[Off-topic] mrmiddl:
This debate will continue on forever. even if one surpasses the other, there will still be this same debate.

iOS is better, but when you have total control over your OS, it better be.

Android gets so much fluff added to it, its ridiculous (T-mobile)

Hardware wise, Android wins. not by much though, due to the fact of some design flaws by some OEM's. (plastics are yucky!!). under the hood they are a beast, and will continue to be until Apple figures out a way to charge you for a bigger battery and not have to under-clock the CPU and give you the screen size of a calculator watch. Also i was an Apple fanboy until my digitizer kept going out or even breaking at the slightest bump. never had to replace anything except a scratched back housing on an android, very sturdy!!( HTC phones of course, not sammie)

if only we could mate all these great aspects into 1 phone, i would be in techie heaven. Iphone 5 was supposed to be that, alas it was only a tease dreamed up by some Harvard marketing ass to build up our hysteria. hopefully it still comes, but not so late that its outdated once again in this ever changing electronics tsunami
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
The quality of features and number of features are two different things. That is the primary thing that Microsoft and apple have that google doesn't, quality software.
[Off-topic] PoisonWolf:
Split atoms and infinitives all you want, doesn't change the fact that iOS was GREAT in the beginning in terms of QUALITY. Ask anyone that.

So.....from the start....the low screen resolution on the first three iphones were of "great quality". So why did they feel the need to improve on that? I mean, it was certainly a quality feature from the start, as you put it.

Why did they need to improve on the camera? I mean, if it was such a good quality feature from the start, why bother?

The point is, don't split hairs if you have nothing else to back it up with rather than just the manure that you have spewing from your mouth.

You are a troll. Nothing more, and probably much less. You put on the facade of sounding intelligent, but your fanaticism against Android is so blinding that it's worrisome that people like you even exist. Really.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
30 years ago VCRs were great technology, today they are antiquated. Times change and technology improves but for the time in which the iPhone came out it was the best quality. Winmo had more features but iOS had quality and because of that they popularized smartphones and wiped pretty much everyone else off of the map for quite some time. We live in a technology obsessed world where it's a constant struggle to be the best, hell, even the latest android device will almost assuredly be outdated within 3 months. To write the technology that was the best in its time off as rubbish though is ignorant.
[Off-topic] mrmiddl:
Why cant both be combined? what is the reason we cant have quality and quantity? i think improvements need to be made with all the OS's. I think WP7 is definitely smooth, but the UI leaves something to be desired. It is very boring. android and iOS have the best UI's imho, in that order. Android lacks that polished feel, and iOS lacks features and customization. They all need improvement in different areas. It all depends on the consumer also. Do you want simplicity, customization, or smoothness (or just to show your iPhone off because you think it makes you cool)
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
Apple has more features than Android? Really?

Hang on while I sign up for my tethering plan.

For me its Mercedes Benz vs suped up 4 bangers.

You can get something well made that works well out of the box, with style, for a small fortune.

Or you can get something cheap, that works, and can be made into whatever you want it to be, even into more than the Benz.

Different products for different customers, neither is better.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
You can't get quality with android because there is no consistency, the hardware, UIs, and software are too different from one device to the next. In my opinion wp7 is the highest quality UI largely because of the consistency. The homescreen, built-in apps, and even most third party apps utilize the metro user interface and it makes the transition so amazing that even some of the games feel as though they might have been built in from the start. Plus, it's an imaginative UI, not the same thing I had with touchwiz on my original HTC touch. It's something new and honestly, after so long, invigorating.
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
Flash CM. Done.

Stable, consistent, polished, fantastic.
[Off-topic] PoisonWolf:
Oh, I'm glad. So you do know the meaning of the word rubbish. I was concerned for a moment that you didn't. Because all that you've spewed thus far is nothing but rubbish.

The first iteration of iOS was FAR from anything related to "quality". What made it popular was effective marketing and hype. To say that quality drove it to popularity is just rubbish.

Keep coming back with reasons why the first iOS was filled with nothing much quality. Please, keep coming back. I'm sure many lurkers who visit this thread would love to see how much rubbish you can dig up.

Every operating that started has had its flaws, including Android itself. WP7 is no different, and iOS was no different. I'm not sure if it's your fanaticism that has got you blinded, or if it is your serious lack of intelligence that prevents you from seeing this. I hope it's not the latter for your sake.

The inability for Windows Mobile to evolve which ultimately led to its demise was exactly what was needed to drive the OS you love so dearly as WP7.

Keep telling us you're not a fanboy, you're objective. Tell us that you own many Android phones, keep telling us and proving to us why we should take you seriously. Keep telling us why you matter on our computer screens. I'm sure you've got more at stake here than we do.

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There, that's how you should have posted it. Saves everyone the hassle.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Not at all. In fact, my iPhones have been the most reliable phones I've ever owned. I had the first iPhone right after it launched. Other than it slowing down to being sluggish after 15 minutes of web browsing, it was outstanding. My iPhone 4 hasn't had that issue and was my main phone till I decided to put my Focus in that spot because of being so pleased with WP7 Mango. Thought the build quality of my iPhone 4 surpasses the Focus and is more intelligently designed, iOS just isn't as good as WP7 now.

If Nokia puts out iPhone-quality hardware equipped with WP7 Mango, the whole smartphone world will change. WP7 would have not only the hardware quality of the iPhone but also a superior OS.

Nevertheless, my iPhones have been superior in every way up till now. I've never experienced a failure with any of my Apple products...I have like 7 or 8 iPods of various models as well as my iPhone 4. But I'm never rough with them and never abuse them in any way.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
oh the irony, the difference between android and other operating systems is that when other operating systems are faced with these issues, as long as it doesn't go against the foundation of the OS they fix it. E.g. iOS won't be supporting direct access to system files by default. Unless being smooth and not lagging is directly against the foundation of android there's little viable excuse. WP7 had major flaws and mere months later mango remedied all but the nerdiest complaints. Android still has issues that were presented with cupcake that google has neglected to fix. Microsoft and apple fix things for their consumers, google sends out something barely stable and allows OEMs and third party developers to attempt to "fix" the many issues oftentimes destroying them further.
[Off-topic] mrmiddl:
I think its OEMs that actually cause the problem. The G2 was solid phone with a solid untouched OS. Never had an issue until i had a mt4g with tmo bloat all through it. nothing but lag. Majority of problems are remedied with a root and ROM from XDA and no issues after that. seems the devs here have more insight than the OEM's.

one thing to realize though, ics is supposed to be optimized for dual core phones. should be a better experience going forward, we just have to wait and see.
[Off-topic] Intratech:
You are a dumbass of the highest order. If you're going to troll at least check your details. No way will you get Touchwiz on a HTC device.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I understood what he meant...because of you quoting him. He meant Sense. Mistakes happen. It doesn't make someone ignorant. Maybe a bit pushy, but not necessarily ignorant.