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[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
ill take dated hardware with better software over newer hardware with software that still can't run well on it any day. It's not my fault that android has to compensate for poor optimization and no use of the GPU with bigger processors.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
i just wish the dell venue pro wasn't such garbage. that way z33 wouldn't stop posting because he wouldn't be so insecure about his little paper weight and he would stop defending it like a mother bear with her cubs. i also wish z33 didn't have any fingers, so he couldn't type. but we sometimes can't have what we want. i think he bought the dell venue pro, realized what utter crap it was, and is stuck in a contract with it. he is accepting defeat and trying to convince himself and the world that wp7 is worth anything, and for that, i admire his courage.
[Off-topic] Dukeuni:
Fit and Finish

I like the quality of apply products, but prefer the Android OS so far. Would love to be able to load Android OS on a new Iphone.
[Off-topic] goatimus:
IPhone = smartphone for stupid people ;)
[Off-topic] HD-GEEK:
I personally like both :)
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
+1

Wow! lovely :D

direct from the devil's mouth
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
Is Microsoft paying you for this? They ought to be if not.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
he's just a tool. and he is lurking this forum and thread, just doesn't want to reply because he doesn't want to seem like he is stalking it. lol

he will chime in sometime today with terribly disconnected counter arguements. it's like clockwork

he claims to own an iphone, android, and wp7 phone. he knows everything. cannotarguewithtroll.jpg
[Off-topic] Slysdexia:
Having just picked up a Galaxy SII, I can quite solidly say that there is not even the slightest hint of lag in the software when the hardware is up to par. I'm sure you'll immediately turn around and point out that only a dual core phone can make android run smoothly, hence your perception of it's inferiority, but it really comes down to developmental resources. Android is free and open source, WP7 isn't, at all, and is backed by the current largest software goliath out there, so that they can tailor the software more specifically to the phone, much like Apple does. If you made Apple write code as flexible as android for phones, or windows for PC, it would be just as finicky, and the same if you let MS dictate all hardware spec, it would always run flawlessly.

It really does all come down to the money, and Android takes the cake when it comes to end-user cost.

Edit:

Yes, I know, I'm feeding the troll, but hey, gotta make work pass by one way or another.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
no, I'll simply say that there's still lag when compared to wp7 or ios and that's with drivers and a UI built specifically for the hardware. It's just poorly optimized and at present the only real sales point to the average consumer is that it's an iPhone alternative when really its just not on par with iOS in terms of speed, apps, functionality, really anything aside from customization.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I was going to say the exact same thing. It's hard to understand the lag of Android unless you have something to compare it too. In this case, WP7 would show the lag of Android. It's more slowness to respond than lag, though. A way to test this is the dial pad. Punch numbers in any Android and then punch them in a WP7. The difference is immediately noticeable.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
You 2 really are great. The fact is, no one cares. 43% of the smart phone uses don't care about your opinion, and only 3% do. And I know you will say that so android has so many users because of the amount phones it is availabe on, but I am pretty sure if you do the math, there are just as many SGS2 users as WP7 users total...and that is a premium priced top of the line phone.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Has nothing to do with that. It's all about visibility. Android is and has been highly visible and highly advertised. WP7 hasn't. But it's still true that WP7 is the best there is. Just because it isn't as highly advertised or widespread as Android doesn't mean Android is better.

When MS begins the "mother-of'all" advertising campaigns, things will change.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
really? Because I'm in Austin and aside from mine I've never seen an s2 in the wild and this is pretty much the tech geek hub of the U.S. I sincerely doubt that one overpriced and largely underwhelming phone holds 3 percent market share by itself. Not that the fact that a 3-4 year old OS is beating a 1 year old OS is really relevant, especially considering the fact that android was pretty much invisible after a year and would've died off if not for verizon's marketing.

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I expect that more from Nokia.
[Off-topic] dublinz:
if they created android as they claim, i dont mind.....i still love android and its eco system
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
+1

it's definitely the most lively and open variety of all the mobile platforms available in choices of phones types, configuration, price range, and available apps/games to get things done.
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
I really find it hard to believe that you have a new android device and are complaining about lag, even when comparing to iOS and WP7. even the severely bloated espresso sense rom that tmo so thoughtlessly force-fed me on my MT4GS ran smooth and lag free from day one. after removing HTC/Tmo bloatware, I don't experience hiccups anywhere in the UI, even immediately after bootup (notoriously laggy). I guarantee I can perform tasks side-by-side with any WP7 device or an iPhone and have just as smooth an experience.

android is growing up a lot as of late and will only continue to dominate in the coming years barring any litigation that stifles it. sorry if that is offensive to you what with its horribly malfunctioning OS (:rolleyes:) and all.

from the average end user standpoint:

speed: I go from home screen to webpage in 5-10 seconds in areas with a 3G signal. e-mail pops up instantly as soon as I press it (either Exchange or gmail) and syncs within 5 seconds if it's not already updated. I can make a call to anyone in my phonebook in less than 5 seconds using voice or 10-15 seconds by navigating my contacts. I guarantee I can send texts/e-mails faster than any WP7 or iOS user... and I'll defend that one with a legitimate race if you'd like to try me. all of my apps open instantly without load times.

so I'm curious... as an average end user, in what way is iOS superior in terms of "speed?"

apps: both iOS and Android appstores are full of crap. the difference is the Android app store has many "lite" versions that you can try for free, or sites like this where devs offer their apps for free. the Android app store is quickly maturing, as it has been since day 1, and does not subject devs' work to any silly screenings. (this can be seen as a pro or con depending on the intelligence of the end user, of course. for most, it's a non-issue because most people aren't plain stupid, which is what you'd have to be to download malware on the android app store)

I really don't see how one or the other is superior here. it's definitely not a landslide iOS victory by any stretch; sorry. how does the average end user benefit more from the iOS appstore than Android's offering?

functionality: I'm really hard pressed to understand how you can even put "iOS" and "functionality" in the same sentence. I use my MT4GS more than my iP2, even with functions that should theoretically be more simple on a tablet. the only functionality the iPad has that I can't get on my MT4GS that makes me sad are the awesome filters in Photobooth so I can take pictures with a melting face.. which is pretty sweet, I do admit.

you're old and tired, zee. based on your comments, I don't even think you own half of the devices you say you do... and if you do, you're incapable of reviewing them objectively, which makes everything you say useless.

the fact of the matter is that the average non-tech user could pick up any new android device today and use it side-by-side with an iOS or WP7 device and not notice any of the issues that you always bring up.
[Off-topic] nellycruzz:
I rule the world
[Off-topic] BarryF:
I'm not worried about this at all. Patent lawsuits are standard practice in tech businesses, especially in situations like this where there is lots of new technology in a highly contested, brand new market. Apple is just doing what any smart business would do. If the shoe were on the other foot Google/Samsung/HTC would be doing the same thing to Apple.

I believe the threat of injunction is a small one. Barring German justices, I doubt we will see many more of them. When the dust settles I doubt there will be much change. Perhaps a small patent win here or there but no major damage to any party.

Barry

Comet Apps
[Off-topic] masondoctorjt:
Here's one for ya. I've been asking Iphone users why they chose the iPhone. The answers? Well it does most the stuff I need it too. Me Why didn't you get android or WP7? They say, What's WP7? and to answer the question about android... Well after searching companies for prices, I didn't feel like choosing what android phone to get, it was easier just to get an iPhone since there is only one... All responses are similar to this.:confused: I mean WTH. iPhone users really are sheople. They apparently are very lazy when it comes to choosing what really is better. They don't use them or research the different phones at all. I am not a android fanboy, as I actually would really like to get wp7, but it will just not do everything android will, and until it does, I'm stuck on Android, And BTW I have used WP7 quite a bit, and I do not have any lag on my sensation when comparing it to WP7. I'll say it again, I have zero lag on my android Htc Senstion. I know it is dual core and has much better hardware than a WP7, but the end result is my battery lasts just as long and I have no lag.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
average UI speed on gs2, 44 fps. Average on other high-end android devices, 24-27 fps. The average human can discern around 60 FPS so those numbers do matter. The UI speed is very clearly different and that's funny because I'm on 3 year old hardware, hardware that was around with the nexus 1 and yet android can't keep up on dual core devices. Apps that are on all OSes, especially games, are subpar on android. The angry birds version of android got sluggish after about 30 minutes of gameplay even on the gs2 and was never as smooth to begin with except on the gs2. As far as you doing things faster on an android phone, im sure you can. It's what you're accustomed to. I, as a user of both OSes perform tasks much faster on WP7, it's easy. Hit the windows button, slide up, tap my email that's on the homescreen, pres the plus sign. No hint of lag, just beautiful transition images to look at while my android phone tries to catch up. Wp7 hasn't stolen anything from android. Android's full of WP7 thefts, they see what the nicer OS is. The one that has had the fastest growing app market ever. Does android even have a good game that's not an iOS hand-me-down yet?
[Off-topic] jfin79:
Unless Microsoft mobile had made leaps and bounds which I doubt Android is far superior to Microsoft or Apple.Android let's multiple manufactures use its OS and it was created initially solely for mobile devices.Apple and Microsoft were made for computers and have tried to evolve into mobile OS providers imo they have failed in that aspect.As far as xbox it sucks ps3 hands down.

Running Android Revolution HD By far the best ROM its a BEAST!!!
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
this is a smartphone forum, you can look into the basics of an OS before making a blind and largely uneducated comment.
[Off-topic] jfin79:
You hit the nail on the head

Running Android Revolution HD By far the best ROM its a BEAST!!!
[Off-topic] jfin79:
Apple is out Android is in if we can beat em sue if we don't win join them.Apple biggest mistake was only making the iPhone available on Att.Then Google jumps on the scene and in a few years is as popular as Apple.I have never owned an apple anything ipod,iPad,mac, or the junkie iPhone.

Running Android Revolution HD By far the best ROM its a BEAST!!!
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
not sure if trolling, 3 of the last 5 posts have been comments from you that were just blind fanboyism.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Not really. In the case of Apple's iOS, it evolved from the iPod. An iPhone is basically an MP3 player with smartphone functions.

And the only thing that matters with a gaming system is the games. That's where XBOX rules. MS properly focused on that aspect of the system and it succeeded. The XBOX is the dominant gaming system to date. If MS properly focuses with WP7, it will be the dominant smartphone...down the road. But what matters isn't as much technical details as it is visibility. Android is a perfect example of a low-quality and lacking system that has high visibility. iOS is another example of the same thing. iOS is much more polished than Android, but lacks the quality and brilliantly polished sheen of WP7 but is still a highly favored system. Visibility and word-of-mouth are the keys in the smartphone world. But quality and polish are a must once the visibility and word-of-mouth make it through. Quality and polish will achieve a "glue" effect that will cause people to hang onto the system.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
Lol @ z33... RESPONDS TO EVERYTHING DIRECTED AT HIM haha. What a tool

whyumadtho
[Off-topic] xaccers:
All WP7 needs is a better looking interface and all the features it's currently missing to be addressed, and I'd have one.

I think MS got it right by not bothering with a handheld console, they seem to be the riskiest products at the moment.

Now they could enhance their WP7 devices, give it a decent interface etc as I mentioned above and it'd be a great handheld console. Problem is after the failure of Kin, they're not going to admit they got things wrong and make those desperately needed improvements.

But then, if what is being reported is true, MS make more from android sales than they do from WP7 sales so maybe they should give up on WP7 and get behind Android. Imagine MS apps providing full domain/office/exchange integration for instance, they could make a fortune.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
aesthetics are largely a matter of opinion. I would personally prefer watching a school is fire than to use android's UI or many of their launchers, most of which are the same thing except with a laggy transition animation here and there. I prefer to go with someone who put some thought into their OS rather than copying the market leader of the time.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
The stock android interface is poo in my opinion (marginally better than WP7 I have to say though), if it wasn't for Sense I'd have stuck with WM6.5/SPB MS3.5 on my HD2 until SPB released it for Android.

Course now with Sense 3 I don't need SPB, and my phone is a pleasure to use, configured exactly how I like it.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
back in the PalmOS days, and WMobile days, i've always used 3rd party launchers, same goes for Android, for some reason stock OS launchers always lacked in some ways.

so i never cared much about the "stock" experience as it was never sufficient
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I agree. Though I believe the current UI is perfect. Everyone I show my WP7 to is immediately impressed with the UI and how it looks. I believe the majority of people will love the current UI once the system gets more visible. Functionality is what is a key role in the love of the current UI. It's simple and easy to get at what a person needs.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Yes, but that is in Oklahoma ;)

I only know one person off the net who likes WP7, and it's his first touch screen phone.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
the only sense iteration I enjoyed was that of the original mytouch slide. I dont remember what they called that pseudo-sense but by the 4g they'd killed its initial appeal. Aside from that, sense was pleasant on winmo but aside from that it looks like another hideous android launcher with an admittedly cooler clock. It's still not half as useful as the stock experience for wp7 and lacks the polished finish.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
You really don't have much experiance of Android do you?

Oh I know you claim that you own X number of devices and you're supposedly an Android developer, but seriously, isn't it time to come clean?
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I was as big a fanboy as you for 2 years before I upgraded.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Well it's quite obvious that z33 and MartyLK are still up to their Android bashing as usual. :) You two should stop until you have new material though. It's tiring reading the same old **** over and over again.

"Android lags."

Mine doesn't.

"You just don't realize it."

... what?

"Ha! 1 point Microsoft."

SGS2 doesn't lag.

"Overpriced POS."

It's cheaper than the iPhone.

"... which is better."

How so?

"No lag, better apps."

I have no lag and probably the same apps.

"But they're not as pretty."

... *walks away*

Same old, same old. :)
[Off-topic] pmcqueen:
sigh. okay, I'll just go back to my "don't feed the troll" posts. you're hopeless.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
My issue with Android is that it is stolen tech. Google ripped off Apple and Microsoft for much of what Android is. Microsoft settled with licensing. Apple doesn't want to license. I will never support Android until Google resolves its legality issues.

But that still has nothing to do with my love of WP7. That love is genuine and has gone through many trials but I have stuck with it. That says something about the system, that a person would stick with the system through all the BS its maker put them through.

I say it all the time and mean it: give WP7 a good try...not a day or a few hours even. Give it a lengthy try and see if you aren't pleased. I say this to everyone. The system will sell itself once people start seeing it.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Genuine love huh? Wow, I think you need to get out more. Just remember bro, its a phone not a fleshlight.
[Off-topic] oradul:
steve is gone and they don't know what to do.

iphone 5 didn't come out and the 4s is a complete disappointment.

the only thing they can do now is turn the eyes and ears of the people to something els ( court with google in this case ) untill they come up with a plan of action.

Sent from my Dell Inspiron 1564 using the IE 9 :p
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Much like an abused woman who hopes her man will change.

Eventually they admit they were wrong and move on to better things, or they die.
[Off-topic] Mugros:
Interesting
[Off-topic] upichie:
My issue with WP7 is that it is stolen tech. Microsoft ripped off Google and Apple for much of what WP7 is. Google settled with kindness. Apple doesn't want to settle. I will never support WP7 until Microsoft resolves its legality issues. ... :)

On a serious note, what stolen tech? Keep in mind that Android is open source, so whatever code they stole is right out in the open for both Microsoft and Apple to see. Given your comment about Microsoft's licensing, I don't think you fully understand what's happening. So Android infringed on a few IP patents. That doesn't make Android stolen tech, it just confirms the state of the patent system—flawed. But this is obvious to anyone without a fanboy level of bias. For example, Apple infringed on 3G patents. But I don't view Apple's iPhone as a blatant rip-off of a non-patent-infringing 3G phone. Why? Because that'd be ridiculous—just like your comment.

I think that says more about the person then the system. :rolleyes: And xaccers appears to agree with me. Much like an abused woman indeed.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
And Microsoft is doing what, now? Arranging licensing deals with Android implementers? And the fact that Google doesn't charge for Android and gives it away free is an indictment as well. The day Google dares to charge for Android, is the day all the power players come down on Google like the Oakland Raiders on the Pittsburgh Steelers.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Ha ha, thread called Apple vs Google and we end up talking about wp7. Gotta love z33whatever and MartySomething....

Now, a lot of smart things have been said here, and yeah, all this law suits is a wrong thing happening, but It's happening and there is nothing we can do about it. So I recommend you lot get over it and stop feeding the trolls. Damn, where is that ignore setting.....
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
fps doesnt lie. Also, android does have a bunch of the lesser games ported to it, nothing original that's any good and none of the higher end games. What is a phone if not for communication, games, user experience, media, and user experience? Oh, it's android... But you can customize!
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Really? That was probably your worst post ever.

Communication? Umm, I am pretty sure I can make phone calls. I can make calls on a network, VOIP calls...thats voice over IP for you z33. Wait, I can even send texts and use skype and google voice for video calls!!

Games? Really? Are we 12? Angry birds is good enough to waste some time. Who cares if it was ported?

Media? Hmm, netflix, google movies, spotify, tunein radio, hulu plus..FLASH. I hardly know how to split up my media love.

And finally USER EXPERIENCE?? I can control every aspect of my user experience and make it whatever I want it to be.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
I have to say the gaming part of WP7 is superb. But the whole user experience is just as superb on WP7. And there's a reason Apple shied away from Flash, it's buggy and crash-prone. It causes serious system issues. It may be one of the prime reasons battery life is so horrible on Android.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
My SGS2 does lag and have FC's constantly so what's that mean?
[Off-topic] tedhan89:
I agree with your opinion!
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I'll keep this short and sweet as I'm currently on a camping trip and I'm supposed to give up technology for the night (fat chance)

VoIP calls? Really? Because I pay for my phone service for a reason.

Games? You ask if I'm 12 but crackflashing roms is, in my opinion, something that was much more fun when I was 15. Now, I play games to pass the time at work. Alas they won't allow me to bring in a full DDR console so my phone is what I settle for for my gaming needs at work. Oh, you still crackflash roms? What are you? 12?

Media, let's confine this to your average user. Of those they'll likely get Netflix and slacker/pandora. Lucky me, I have both of these on my phone out of the box, not only that, the UI of both match perfectly with the phone so it doesn't feel clunky going between the two.

User experience, customize all you want. I sacrificed that for a lagkfree pleasant experience that doesn't look like a second-rate iOS. I thought apple was the king of ugly UIs but android takes the cake. Go ahead, add a new launcher. It's still ugly, still laggy, and just makes the aesthetic transition in and out of apps more displeasing.

Call me superficial, but shouldn't our phones be aesthetically pleasing too?
[Off-topic] synaesthetic:
Seriously guys, stop feeding the troll.

*facepalm*
[Off-topic] checkbox111:
Anybody watch the discovery channel last night 24th about how the ipod changed the world, they really do love themselves in that company.

I must have thrown up about three times with cheesy comments! they must have something written on the wall about how it's great to love yourself above all others. :rolleyes

They were interviewing one worker and she said how when the ipod was first released, she was walking down the street and saw a 'cool person' then noticed that they had white earbuds, then she noticed another 'cool person' and they were wearing them, then she looked around and noticed lots of other 'cool people' and that they were all wearing white earbuds.

Typical Apple ipod love thyself bull**** puke.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
1. You have a faulty phone, get it repaced under warranty

2. Your carrier has borked the stock rom, complain to the carrier, live with it or install a custom rom

3. You've installed a custom rom that's causing the issue
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
illicit hero has likely just used an OS that's not plagued with a lot of issues before so the transition to android is notably more faulty.