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[Off-topic] xaccers:
Zee, how was your 16th birthday party last week? Did you have jelly and icecream and a clown?
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
It was rather outstanding. So, looking forward to using ICS and treating the stolen people hub and multi-tasking cards as something revolutionary?
[Off-topic] upichie:
Hey, so guys. We have contacts, right? And we have an app for Facebook, an app for Twitter, an app for... wait a minute! Why don't we just have one app for all of those? That makes sense! It's simple, it's streamlined, it's perfect!

That thought... so profound. Surely only one man could have conceived such an idea. Any man—any imitator—that ever dares challenge this genius, we shall never forgive. No, we shall condemn! For life!

You take things a little too seriously. It's not stealing some miraculous invention, it's called implementing the future. I don't blame Microsoft, Apple, and Google for stealing the idea of a mobile-based browser. Why? Because every phone should have it—much like every phone should have a way to easily communicate with everyone, on every social media platform. Google is no more a thief than Apple is for their notification bar. And guess what? Neither are for either.

But why do I keep feeding the troll... :p
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
yes, but right now Microsoft is the only one not infringing on a plethora of patents and apple has their own army to back it up. The interface of the people hub and such being a metro rip-off is comical though. Maybe they'll slowly progress towards an OS that is aesthetically pleasing rather than their current... Attempts.
[Off-topic] vis80k:
kinda have to agree on that.
[Off-topic] upichie:
I could care less about how they make their OS look, as long as they leave the end-user with the ability to change it to whatever they want. I couldn't even imagine not being able to do that. To only have one look, and to always have to stay with that...

Must be how a WP7 fanboy feels every... damn... day. But that's way too repetitive for my tastes. :p
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I change my themes, wallpapers, animated picture hub, and me tile frequently. On top of that, my music tile is constantly changing, I have numerous news tiles from WP7 news to local news flipping constantly, and a tile updating me on my team. The people tile cycles through images of my over 600 contacts and I have many other active tiles. I wonder, with those odds and transitions, has my phone EVER shown the same thing twice? With android, I couldn't even hesitate to say yes.
[Off-topic] upichie:
I wouldn't hesitate to say yes to Android either. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] wendellc:
All this talk of android stole/ copy this, apple stole this and MS copy this is freaking childish. All these companies take inspiration from each other! If your like wp7, that's great. If android floats your boat, all the better! If apple ios is your flavor, I feel sorry for u! LOL But in all seriousness who freaking cares.

What annoys me the most though is when apple fanboys act like they started it all. C'mon Palm and MS had smartPDAphones since early 2000 as I can recall and PDA since 90's.

Choice is a beautiful thing and it benefits us consumers. If Steve Jobs and company could have their way they would love to see theirs as the only choice and that my friends would suck!
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I definitely could, but then again I was all about a clean UI with minimal stuff. Doesn't matter what icon pack i used or even my custom ones... They just weren't aesthetically pleasing.
[Off-topic] upichie:
Couldn't agree more.

Couldn't disagree more.

I mean...

I'm a minimalist at heart, so don't even bring up a clean UI. If you compared my Android phone to your WP7 phone, yours would look like a cluttered mess. ;)
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Well at last that explains a lot.

To be honest I don't really care when I get ICS, the great thing about all the versions of android I've used is they work, no modification required.

I can't see ICS breaking the trend.

No other device on the market can satisfy my simple requirements.

Until another product comes along that does things better, I will be an android user.

One of the most annoying "features" of WP7 I found (other than the cloned stock android keyboard and emo menus) was the social media integration.

I want to know what's been going on in twitter, google+ or facebook when I choose to, not have other people dictate when I should be updated.

The main WP7 user I know got rather frustrated as to why he had some event popping up all day long. Someone had invited him to it, he hadn't realised due to not using facebook much on his PC, hadn't accepted the invitation mind you, but WP7 had it blaring out at him until he declined.

So I could really cheese him off by inviting him to a load of events knowing that he won't realise until they all turn up on the same day in the future and flood his calendar.

Hmm, there's a thought, Zee, what's your FB id? :D

So social media integration is a gimick for feeble minded users who are so desperate for human interaction they cling to their mobiles longing for the next update, needing to be informed the moment it's posted. If that's not you, then why do you need to get an update the moment it happens?

It's not convenience, that would be only getting updates when it's convenient to you, and with instant notification it can happen at inconvenient moments, or you have to remember to set the phone to silent/switch it off, again not convenient.

I'm not that sad. I can wait and pick up any posts when I'm good and ready for them. Often days later. At my own convenience.

As for multi tasking, that is a godsend. The number of times I've had to set something up on an iphone, needed to refer back to an email during the configuration, and then had to start from scratch.

Getting back on topic, with Microsoft making more money out of Android than through WP7 sales, it is in their interest to see Android continue to grow. They've already supplied some patent protect to HTC I believe, and I can see more of that taking place against Apple.
[Off-topic] vis80k:
love the ability to multitask on android, but the ram on my nexus s is just not enough to utilize it to my liking! it evrn closea the home launcher ever6 now and then and that is really annoying....
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
cloned stock android keyboard? That's just comical. While gingerbread's keyboard is miles ahead of froyo's and perhaps even on par with iOS's, it doesn't hold a candle to the responsiveness and finger friendliness of WP7. That was one of the most widely revered features when wp7 first came to fruition.

As for the notification thing, I think I've been notified of events twice like that overall (both of which were by that cockhole Ryan seacrest who I added just to win a phone oddly enough.) Facebook, for me, is just an easy messaging service that's luckily fully integrated into my text messaging.

I can easily do that on my wp7, no need to restart the email.

If they eliminate android, which between apple and them they pretty well could, then they'd be the low cost option that's available on the majority of carriers which is pretty much android's key selling point. It certainly isn't the software.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Oh for f**k sake, it says Apple vs Google, stop trolling.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Using Villianrom which has to be the best Samsung based rom along with CM7 and happens on both.

My phone is unlocked and was never branded.

My hardware is fine just poor optimization.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
i think we should start a thread to vote for a ban of z33. he is worthless
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Two sides to everything even if you don't want to hear the other side.
[Off-topic] chrisdolman22:
Android is definitely the way to go in my opinion... particularly with HTC Sense :D I don't dislike iPhones but Android seems to be ahead of them in terms of features... asides from maybe a good music player.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
+1

i have nothing against apple, i like the iphone, i just don't like the OS

if we can load Android on the iphone, that would be perfect :D
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
funnies part is that he's been on my ignore list for 4 days now and yet he continues to e-stalk me.

As for being on topic, both of them are lifting features from WP7 now so I guess we clearly did something right.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
"We" did something right? You are so detached from reality it is ridiculous. You are obviously just a kid who gets off on this kind of stuff.

And you are right, the thread is apple vs. google. Why? Because they are the only significant OS's available. Everything else is just a novelty and a minority, and that is not going to change anytime soon.

SOOOOO as far as apple vs. google goes...they are both great at what they do. They push the limits and "motivate" each other with ideas, and force each other to be better as they evolve and in the end that is what is best for the user. It is ridiculous to think that google is the only guilty party, and that apple is completely innocent from ever taking an idea.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
If you don't want to read what someone says, be responsible and take upon yourself that responsibility rather than trying to make the world around you change to suit you. You have an ignore list, use it.
[Off-topic] Mcds:
they should do what enix and squaresoft did and work together as a team...
[Off-topic] Dripz167:
But Enix sucked before they decided to merge, it's like they're riding off of Squares success.
[Off-topic] Mcds:
They did really well with chrono trigger a long time ago.
[Off-topic] AlterJack:
Well then, who's going to ride who? Apple or Google? I vote for Google.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Err, Square made Chrono Trigger, not Enix.
[Off-topic] rasfos:
They weren't really competitors until android and that's when all the sh*t hit the fan. That's why Schmidt left the board of Apple and it is when all the patent hostility started.
[Off-topic] AlterJack:
The thing I don't like is that when someone rises up to Apple (Samsung much?) they try to sue they ass off so they can stay on top, fricking monopolizing everything.

I mean, when the car was invented, did anyone sued anyone for making another car?

#AppleYUNoShare?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
The carmakers tended to do much worse than sue. They would commit espionage and other tactics to defeat or remove the competition. Tucker and DeLorean were well known examples of what the major players would and could do. The nature of big business in America and throughout the world is basically the law of nature where the strong devours the weak...ruthlessly.

But to be fair, it's the nature of life to do this on every scale. From the highest and most mightiest of us, to the lowest and most humble of us, it is the nature to put the "self" first. It's evolution, how evolution works and has programed all life. It applies to all life; every form of life. When a tiger kills a deer, it's doing what evolution or nature requires. When a company, made up of natural humans, kills another company, it's following the rules of nature; evolution.

Humans are suppose to rise above this natural self. But the world seems to be adhering more and more to the rules of nature and evolution than ever before. And because of this, there can never, ever be worldwide peace. There may be those of us who demand worldwide peace. But the high and mighty and the influential...the ones who run big business...will never follow it.
[Off-topic] lvachala:
G/A

For me its Google.
[Off-topic] spenzher:
I say google, mainly because Apple feels like you're forced into one way of thinking
[Off-topic] renren0213:
I think Apple will fall soon after the past away of Steve Jobs....
[Off-topic] demon94:
apple is not doing a good job at all...
[Off-topic] DPMAce:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218229/20110922/apple-iphone-5-features-android.htm

A good article on why Apple's methods are outdated. One company cannot compete with 10 to 50 companies lol.
[Off-topic] edt.lime:
apple is just trying to "rage" at all
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Microsoft has 9 :D
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
best answer ever

LMAO!!! this is the best answer ever :D
[Off-topic] 1stCentauri:
little green robots > half eaten fruit
[Off-topic] Perperz:
Google is way better then Apple in operating systems...
[Off-topic] bhu1:
Apple just want that every phone a person use should be made by them and every tablet a person uses shpuld be made by them and no other company should exist

! They think that they can sell a 200$ device at a price of 650$ and people will buy them ! Hear this apple - your days are gone you officially and unofficially suck ! Your icrap5 or your ishit3 wont go anywhere so just f*** yourself up and buy some android phones and enjoy their gr8 ui and development and again f*** yourself!
[Off-topic] bhu1:
Apple guys have unhealthy minds so they should eat an apple everyday ! And stop pre-release promotion stunts ( the case mate thing that happened )!
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Nope, if what he says is true, he's an American hero. A military man.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Im not proud of having been in the military. I did it strictly for college. I'm from Italy originally and don't much care for the state of the U.S. Considering the only decent president they've had in my lifetime would sleep with anything that moved.

Like I've said before, look at android's statistics after one year as opposed to wp7's. It's almost mindblowing how much better we're doing and that's with everything playing against us.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
HOLY **** Z33!! Get with the program. "How much better we're doing?"?? The market share went down within the past year for WP7. Now we are not discussing what OS you think is better...BUT PLEASE TELL ME HOW LOSING GROUND MEANS YOU ARE DOING BETTER???

And you aren't proud to have served your country??? Are you kidding me? Go back to Italy then.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I fully intend to after college, the country itself wouldn't be bad if they didn't allow people like Bush into official office but that's a debate for another forum.

Wp7 has not lost market share, in fact that would be impossible as a year ago wp7 had just come out. Microsoft mobile as a whole lost market share meaning people were finally upgrading from their final winmo devices and honestly, after such a terrible experience as winmo, I can't blame them for looking for something else. Winmo was a joke.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
The keyboard is nearly identical to the froyo one which also sucked. While I can hold down a key and get numbers or punctuation, you have to change to number mode (just like an iphone) then change back.

Apple would have to take on MS in the courts to seriously affect Android sales.

MS makes most of it's mobile income from Android, it's not about to allow that cash cow falter.

Basically with Microsoft's market share falling to such abysmal levels with the release of WP7 (ie WM users turned their back on it) they need Android sales.

If sales of WP8 are poor then I can see them calling quits on it and backing Android.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I really wish some of you supposed power users would try WP7 before knocking it because you make it clearer and clearer that you haven't.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Unfortunately I have had the displeasure of using WP7, and I was not impressed. One of our clients asked us to assess them for suitablilty as they were considering moving away from Blackberrys. Not one of the test team liked them, and despite hating Blackberrys, we had to conclude they were better off stickign with them.

Even after mango I'm not impressed.

It's still lacking basic features I need and isn't likely to ever get them.

And unlike some WP7 devices, my keyboard doesn't just vanish half way through a text.

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If it happened using stock, villianrom and CM7, then it's a hardware issue.

SGS2 stock doesn't suffer from it unless something is wrong.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
and unlike some android devices my phone doesn't lock up on the boot screen and never move again. Calling forth isolated incidents is petty because I guarantee that you'll see a lot more complaints and bugs in android than WP7. I am curious as to what "basic" functionality it lacks that makes it such a fail for you.
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
If you have 100 people in a room...43 of them are using android and 3 of them are using some sort of windows mobile mess...so obviously you will hear more complaints from android.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
that's not a factor, put 100 android users, 100 wp7 users, and 100 iOS users in a room and people will have more complaints about android because, in comparison to the other 2, it's buggy.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Basic features missing from WP7:

Ability to watch movies and listen to them over blue tooth.

Ability to install a decent keyboard

Ability to install a better looking gui

Ability to take the sd card from my camera and view the photos/videos on the phone, then re-insert it into my camera and carry on shooting

Has mango addressed all of these missing features?

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Come on Zee, be realistic, where are you going to find enough WP7 users to make up the numbers? ;)
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
so your answer is that you want to be able to take apart the OS that was actually worked on when the whole point was to simplify the mobile experience. No, you are not given the option to screw up the UI. The default android UI is already broken so any addition can only help. Microsoft actually put work into their UI and keyboard. Work that is praised by pretty much any unbiased reviewer. Of course we will continue to have fandroids and iBoys but WP7 is the only one offering anything new and functional and its a breath of fresh air from having to duct tape together an almost usable experience on android.

Xaccers, wp7 may not be big there but here in Austin, TX which is pretty much the tech-geek and forward thinking hub of the U.S. I'm visibly witnessing the numbers of WP7 users increasing exponentially. Then again, we are often ahead of everyone else technologically. I had the dell streak nearly 3 months before it's release thanks to the dell campus in round rock.
[Off-topic] Gerrett:
Google rulz! O.o
[Off-topic] xaccers:
No, what I want is a decent phone that satisfies my basic needs.

Old non-smart phones could even manage some of them, even WM could, so it's not technologically difficult to have a phone as a mass storage device, or be able to listen to a movie over bluetooth.

WP7 doesn't yet do any, and I do not believe it ever will.

I use a phone my way, not the manufacturers way, why should I be dictated to by someone who doesn't know my needs and hasn't even considered them despite them being satisfied by older phones.

British Leyland put a lot of work into the Sherpa, doesn't mean it was a decent van. Amount of work =/= value of product.

Until MS address these failings, WP7 will always be below Blackberrys and iPhones to me.

As I've mentioned before, despite a huge multi-media ad campaign, and even at their HQ in Reading, WP7 has been a massive dissapointment.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
To have your phone as a mass storage device would allow for easy hacking, side-loading, and access to system files and the OS itself is on the sd card in some WP7 devices that lack NAND memory. As for the Bluetooth issue, I'm sure they'd fix it if more people complained. It's a simple enough fix, just not one that many care about.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
All reasons why WP7 isn't up to the job.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I do hope to one day receive a valid argument. :(
[Off-topic] xaccers:
You ask why WP7 fails for me.

I tell you what I need.

You say WP7 can't do that (well duh)

I remind you that that is why it fails for me.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I ask why people think it's not better for the typical consumer first and foremost.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
this thread is so epic. lol

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a basic function, by the way, That the wp7 crapfail lacks… may not be “basic” to you z33, because you use a broke ass brick as a mobile device, can be summed up like this:

Last night I had my computer wirelessly connected to my evo’s 4G, while in a phone call, and texting somebody else. At the same time.

You are absolutely retarded to think these phones lack any “function” at all, or to think your catbox, with all of it’s Microsoft kitty litter and excrement, even comes close to being able to do what an android phone does.

trolllololol

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yeah... bluetooth is so useless when you don't have a usb cable handy and want to transfer media to another person's phone but the file is too big for mms... right. makes sense. :rolleyes:

external storage is a basic function found in the year 2011. it is convenient for many reasons, if this needs to be explained to you, you are simply retarded.

i didn't know the size of your storage capacity had anything to do with the ability to hack the device. LOL... wow bro. you are so smart. i think you should start dev'ing a rom or something. might become rich and famous with all your knowledge of electronics and hacking.

EDIT** oh wait, or bluetooth is so useless when you want to wirelessly stream pandora radio to your car stereo :rolleyes:

you are ridiculous. if i could only punch through monitors...
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Considering he's still e-stalking me I assume that post is full of a general lack of anything that might be mistaken for knowledge. It's a shame that he hasn't realized the function of the ignore button yet.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
It’s a shame you haven’t either. It’s also a shame that you still post. But we as outsiders to your unintelligent and blind ranting can’t always get what we want, can we?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
And it seems neither have you. Despite it, you're still replying to him. He's still in your head. All the time. Which is kinda the opposite of "ignoring".
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
He will ignore this thread until later tonight to make you think he isn’t paying close attention to what we are saying about him. But he is lurking like the little troll he is.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
No, you asked:

I answered, you didn't like that you couldn't counter my points and had a hissy fit.
[Off-topic] masondoctorjt:
movies in theaters are 24fps, so whatever you say about humans discerning 60fps is not really true. Lights pulse at 60 hertz, and that is why tv's are 30 fps around here, because the frames have to be able to be divided into 60, and 15 would be too low because humans in real life see at about 18 fps. wave your hand by your face. It's blurry right? Well the phone does not blur because it actually is faster than what you really discern anyway whether it's at 44fps or 60fps. I BTW hit my mail button, and the mail just pops up on my Android device, not sure what transition screens you are starring at?
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
I don't care for a glass back, no storage, semi permanent battery, proprietary USB.

To me, HTC unibody is the best construction.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Wait till Nokia puts out the N800. That will be real build quality.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Lawl in my country nokia is hailed for build quality. "it dropped? Is Nokia man, it going live." The people here use their nokias as substition to a coin fight.

As far as I see, Nokia dumbphones are the most durable phones ever, and I i think it is the same for their smartphones.
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
Yeah, I am not a fan of the glass, buuuuut, I still think the iPhone 4/4S is the sexiest device yet. That said, the latest Nexus isn't out yet. :D

Sent from m-IUI
[Off-topic] heynicebits:
I've gone back and forth. I am currently using a charge over my iphone because I missed big screens and custom anything I want. Yet, I still carry around my ipad2 every where. Things have gotten a lot better than they used to be. As long as ind. developers continue to use both platforms and cloud storage, I like the outlook.

Apple though makes me feel bad for parents of young kids. $$$ on apps , this and that.

Android makes me pissed at kids.

:D