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[Xperia Arc General] Okluzhion:
I agree that the RAM size isn't something, but I have the same things running like you on my arc + I run a game like Samurai II, and it never reboots, and lags depend on which governor I use, on some governors it lags on some don't (which is normal).

And about the heating problem someone mentioned before. When I switched to DooMLoRD's kernel and overclocked to something like 1209MHz, the heating was minimal. And of course you can feel it heating since the whole housing is made of plastic. I don't know if they've wanted to spend as less money on the build as they could, or if the reason was to make the phone very light. Maybe they're just cheap bstrds, swimming in the pool of debts, lol.

Edit: was just wanting to add that I remember my bf's HTC DHD. 700 and something megabytes of RAM, but it would get to 120-90 if he didn't kill the app that didn't close when they should have, and phone would completely slow down and the battery would go bye bye very quickly. But that doesn't happen anymore since the update. So, I think it's more about HANDLING the RAM than just size of it.

Not sent from Xperia arc S
[Xperia Arc General] athris:
seriously i would rather get more ram than faster processor(i dun mind if it is dual core or not)....well better battery too lol
[Xperia Arc General] pushtostop:
The thing I find is im constantly deleting apps that consume to much ram and keeping my phone light on features to keep it running smoothly

That extra ram would let me run the phone the way I want .i ve no prob killing apps when im done wit them it second nature at this stage.

Ps.i do love my arc + doomkernel is awewome too
[Xperia Arc General] Poker gypsy:
The whole thing about an android phone is the Apps! If we are limited to apps then why get an android? I never had a low memory pop up on my old Galaxy S and I had 40 times more apps
[Xperia Arc General] rYuuk:
i just bought my arc ...should have waited
[Xperia Arc General] bassie112:
It's practically the same phone so i would not wait for it. You can easily clock your arc to 1.4GHz and higher if you are a little lucky... The new dual core which is released on March 2012 is something else.
[Xperia Arc General] mariolouis:
Same what happened to X8. Put in some apps and call it W8 (walkman).

EDIT:

I wonder if the "stock" speed is 1.4Ghz and not just an overclocked 1Ghz. Maybe it can break the 2.0Ghz barrier? But I doubt.
[Xperia Arc General] Super Chimp:
Typical SE launching their equivalent device ages after everyone else.
[Xperia Arc General] mariolouis:
Yeah I remember my T68, they changed the back of the battery to a rubberized one, sold new ones then called it T68m, then upgraded the firmware then called it T68i! Basically it was the same phone and can be done to the basic T68.
[Xperia Arc General] azian_advanced:
the t68i was the best phone i've ever owned. it was far more advanced than any other phone at its time. anyway back on topic.

i'm probably the only one who thinks this is good news. because i for sure am NOT going to buy it but the way i see it, we will all be getting new 'features' for our Arcs in the near future. i'm looking forward to trying the new camera and facebook features.
[Xperia Arc General] Alejandrissimo:
I like the white color that's all. my arc is already overclocked thanks to Doom
[Xperia Arc General] hpsauce37:
For me I hope they have sorted the build quality issuse, the phone felt flimsy and cheap, that's why I changed to the Neo, same features and feels far better built.
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
This is not nescessary entirely true, SE is probably waiting for Snapdragon V4 which will reduce the waffer size to 28mm from the existing 45mm. This will significantly reduce both power consumption and heat.

The current dualcore 45mm is not of much use as they consume way too much power and generate too much heat when both cores are loaded. You can look at the current dualcores as double up of what we have in the arc, and the arc is allready consuming more than enough power in my opinion ;)

It will not be until the V4 release that dual cores are usable in small mobile phones unless you constantly keep power connected and have external fans pointing at your phone while playing games which uses both cores.
[Xperia Arc General] doministry:
I would add some other SE phones to my list.

P910? Amazing. And X1 too.
[Xperia Arc General] Super Chimp:
Not to be rude but how many of your ordinary punters are going to care about the type of CPU used to that depth. Most just look and see if it's dual core and what the clock speed is and that's as far as goes.
[Xperia Arc General] Okluzhion:
Exactly, and that's why monkeys should stick to Nokia 3310. If you know nothing about technology you use, you should either educate yourself a bit or stay away from it.

Not sent from Xperia arc S
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
I don't care if it comes OC to 1.4GHz, i just want the white color on my current black!

If it's possible, i want to change the plastics and transform my phone to white, just waiting for the release of Arc S to check the markets.
[Xperia Arc General] Ambroos:
Check eBay, I think you cam already find the replacement parts.
[Xperia Arc General] refract:
If I owned a company similar to SE, I'd be ashamed to release the same thing twice.
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
It's worked for Porsche.
[Xperia Arc General] gunawan-1:
Absolutely agree.

GN Multimedia - Xperia Arc
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
I've searched already eBay and amazon but I didn't find anything yet. If you see anything link me please :)
[Xperia Arc General] Super Chimp:
Wasn't the Samsung Omnia 7 basically just a Galaxy S with a slightly different case and running WP7 instead of Android. You can think of plenty of examples of this kind of thing in the mobile market.
[Xperia Arc General] Duvel999:
check this

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Battery-Back-Cov...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item3a67ea8f7a

orderd one:cool:
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
It's only the back cover, what about the front?
[Xperia Arc General] migsguerra:
yah ....!^^^up
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
I am not so sure, many ordinary non it educated personal do not know what the difference is unless the sales person informs that the dual core is the fastest etc. I know many in my family that are unaware of what type of hardware included in their mobile phones, they look at the design and the useability, they care very little about the hardware inside as long as it is looking good, working fast, stable and easy to use. I am certain the majority looks at the phone like this and only a minority are focused on the hardware without knowing the limitations of the current dual cores. The dual cores are as of today only a marked gimmick as you gain very little with current Android release.

Just take a look at how many that are buying iPhones even though you can have Android phones with more powerfull hardware, they do not care as long as the phone is good at its intended purpose.
[Xperia Arc General] w1000i:
+1 :mad::D:mad::D
[Xperia Arc General] Poker gypsy:
What is so hard to realize that they rushed with the release of the Arc! And now they release the phone that they should have done in the beginning, sales was slow so they put in a front facing camera, I with the majority of the people who hurried and got the Arc we are piss that we paid a lot of money for such a phone and now you put out a phone that you was sapose to release in the beginning!
[Xperia Arc General] mesang:
Isn't it just gonna be as easy as flashing the complete firmware from the Arc S to a normal Arc to make it 'S'?
[Xperia Arc General] jakhan86:
People pls read up before posting the specification differences on the forums. there is NO FRONT CAMERA ON ARC S.

Like the guy up said, there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ARC S AND ARC EXCEPT 1.4ghz PROCESSOR!
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
You would get the functionality but not the faster clock. I am sure the original Arc will recieve a firmware update that will add the same funcionality. You will most likely still need a custom kernel to overclock the arc 1.4 and that requires an unlocked bootloader.
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
Guys there is no different on the new arc S.

Just OC proccessor 1.4GHz, the other functions are software like the 3d panoramic photos which will be in the new 2.3.4 software that will be available for everyone that has a 2011 phone
[Xperia Arc General] Poker gypsy:
Sorry my bad about the front camera
[Xperia Arc General] mesang:
Couldn't you use the Arc S kernel and just flash that? Unlocking the bootloader isn't the problem i guess.
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
It would work if the chips was exactly the same, but in ARC S it has got a T appended to its model name. The kernel will most likely identify the cpu used and set the clocks to match it, but it would be great if it was enough to flash the same kernel. It is worth trying if you would prefer not to unlock the bootloader.
[Xperia Arc General] Ambroos:
What. Nobody forced you to buy the Arc. And really front facing camera, nobody cares about that, at least not in Europe and in the US.

Besides, if you wanted more bang for buck you always had the Neo to go for.
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Thought the Arc would be the flag ship for a year, not for 6 months :(

Anyway, I still like my Arc and won't ditch it for the same phone with 1.4GHz.

When the Arc S comes out I'll just increase the oc from 1.2GHz to 1.4GHz and I have an Arc S :D

Has the Arc S the same CPU than Arc just @ 1.4GHz?

And noone will see if we have the old or new Arc because in Midnight Blue they look the same.
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
Is this a better choice than Xperia Ray? What do you think?
[Xperia Arc General] dong2007:
If S/E would make money with Arc S, they should give the Arc S a 1.2 GHz dual-core processor, Adreno 220 GPU, Qualcomm MSM 8260 Snapdragon, + 1GB RAM.
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
No offence but that was very naive - a year is a long time in the tech world in general and especially when it comes to mobile phones.

Actually, if they really wanted to make it decent, they'd drop Qualcomm altogether - TI's OMAP CPUs are far better, the 4430/4460 have far better GPUs than any of the Snapdragons or even Samsung's Exynos SoC, they're dual A9 cores unlike the dual A8 cores Qualcomm are still using and have dual-channel RAM as opposed to the single-channel set up of the MSM8260.

The OMAP 4470 is even more impressive - 1.8GHz dual-core with a secondary 233Mhz dual-core chip to complement multimedia usage, a better GPU again and faster RAM.

Qualcomm are behind everyone else just now which is why handsets running their dual-core CPUs benchmark so terribly against the likes of the Galaxy S2.

Krait merely brings them level with what's already on the market but by the time they have it ready, nVidia will likely be shipping Kal-El
[Xperia Arc General] Poker gypsy:
I don't know were you are from? No one wants a front camera? Hmmm I wonder why is all the top phones with it? Oh just because I like it! No one else just me! Now that is funny! No one likes them hehehehe you should give all your research to iphone before they spend millions on the front facing camera! I'm sure that they will appreciate it! Lol
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
Do you have any documenation to back this up? A quick google show several comparisons and reviews that put Snapdragons MSM8960 as more powerfull than the OMAP4. Only downside would be that MSM8960 is not available until later this year.

One other MAJOR fact that you miss is the wide use of Qualcomm compared to OMAP, you would either not get any games optimised for the OMAP4 or delivered later than the other more widely used platforms. The current OMAP4 is also using 45mm. MSM8960 will be delivered with 28mm.

Why would you prefer a power hungry device with only a few games optimised? Just look at Galaxy S2 and their problems with studdering games, I would very much prefer current Qualcomm series even though it might not be at the top of the top, but allmost everything is optimised for this archtecture and therefor runs much better.

There is a discussion ongoing at the Xperia Play forum with some very good documentation comparing the current GPU/CPUs seen from an game developers view. The Andreno 205 is among the more powerfull available, stronger than S2 when it comes to actual use and not just benchmarking and it even beats tegra2 due to tegra2s oldfashion implementation being dependable on a powerfull cpu.
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
That's the next generation of Snapdragon chips, that's really got nothing to do with a discussion as to what Sony Ericsson should be using in their phones right now.

That aside, you're right, the 8960 will be a lot better than probably just about anything on the market just now but since it's it's main competition will be the likes of OMAP5 and Tegra3 (ie not what's currently available), it's really neither here nor there.

And therein lies the problem.

If companies like SE stick with something because it's common as opposed to choosing something better, all that happens is that it remains common and the whole cycle repeats itself.

SE basically don't have the cojones to do something different, which is why we're seeing handsets like the Arc S instead of something to rival the Galaxy S2 and also why we're seeing the repeated use of Qualcomm chips instead of something better.

The only hope for the future is that Motorola have generally been the only company to use TI and now they're part of Google, which just adds to the rumours that the next Nexus handset will use an OMAP 4xxx CPU.

Got a link?
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
I know. But we can hope :D

Thought it because the X10 was it for a year.

Arc S has a different CPU model right? Or just Arc's CPU @ 1.4GHz?

Sorry for the question. Came back from holidays yesterday, I'm not fully into the news yet.
[Xperia Arc General] Super Chimp:
At least it's a reasonable price if nothing else.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/09/05/xperia-arc-s-landing-at-end-of-september-in-uk-for-350/#comment
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
It wasn't their flagship, it was their only phone.

Everything about the X10 was mishandled.

It's the MSM8255T whereas the Arc uses the MSM8255.

However, the only difference between the two is the clock speed, so for all intents and purposes it's the same CPU.
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
That's good. So we can oc our phones without much risk :)

But I'll stay with 1.2GHz for now.
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
Normally I downclock my Arc to 122Mhz-800+Mhz cos its still smooth for my use. Saves battery life as well. No use the 1.4Ghz for now. It all depends on the user on how he use the phone and for what.
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
You are probably right, and time will tell how nextgeneration snapdragon will perform compared to the other vendors next gen chips.

I would still consider Qualcomm the best choice for the time being as it can run everything out on the marked as good as the other mobile chips. I am not sure about tegra2, is this used in mobiles or only in tablets?

One other advantage for SE to stick with Qualcomm could simple be development costs, for now they can concentrate on just one platform without having to split up development resources to optimise their software for different platforms.

I doubt we will see any need for dual cores in mobile phones until next generation with 28mm and when it has been more widely deployed, then changes to the mobile android platform might begin to allow multitasking, higher screen resolutions would make full HD video more interesting etc.

You can read the following thread for the comparison of the GPUs, I have not studied the linked documents in dephts.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1247183
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Seriously, will anyone from here upgrade?
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
I think it should be save, I am running mine at 1.4 or 1.6. Have for testing tried extended game session at 1.9 and it was running fine without getting hot.

I do not notice any significant difference in power consumpotion from 1GHz to 1.4GHz, I am still charging my phone everyday whether it is needed or not.

The only thing that really makes a difference to power consumption is the screen brightness, that screen really consumes allot of power when it has been turned up.
[Xperia Arc General] Poker gypsy:
Nope! Unless they say we are sorry about the cracks in your arc,, we will replace it with our new s model! So I guess my answer is no lol
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
In that case I'd upgrade, too :D

But I think they won't offer users with cracked cases an Arc S
[Xperia Arc General] ingro:
Well I'm about to buy a new phone and I really like SE Arc and Neo, but the lack of available custom ROMs is very sad... I'm so undecided now, maybe I'll go for Galaxy W instead...
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Put Doom's kernel on amd they are fast enough. Stock ROM + his kernel + removed bloatware = fast :D
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
It's used in mobiles - the Atrix and the LG Optimus 2X (the T-Mobile G2X in the US) both use it.

It seems to have fallen out of favour a wee bit though, with Motorola opting for OMAP 4 chips in a lot of their newer handsets and LG using it in the Optimus 3D too.

I saw that thread.

It strikes me as rather... subjective - a lot of the comments such as 'Adreno GPU is efficient and powerful' have nothing to back them up.

I did notice that one of the few objective points he made, the dual-channel RAM, is as I mentioned previously one of the features that sets the OMAP 4 series apart from the current dual-core Qualcomm chips and Tegra2.

I also saw this thread, which despite the title links to a pdf that talks about how much better the PowerVR SGX54X GPUs are compared to Tegra2 - again, this is the GPU that TI use in the OMAP4XXX chips...

I might end up getting one.
[Xperia Arc General] shaedow:
any chances we can flash the rom of ARC S to our ARC?
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Could be. But it hasn't the exact same hardware.

Arc S also has 14.2Mbit/s HSDPA and Arc only 7.2.

But I think when it's out a dev can say us if we can or not.
[Xperia Arc General] Step666:
Which is why I wish SE would make the change.

As I say, if we're lucky, Google's (rumoured) use of an OMAP4 chip in the next Nexus handset may sway HTC, SE etc into adopting it...
[Xperia Arc General] Kyraa:
I don't think it would be possible since different hardware requires different drivers.
[Xperia Arc General] danalex:
I think the main reason for this release is to avoid the cracks people get near their light sensor, a problem that is quite common...

So one of these suppositions might be true:

1. they have redesigned the interior of the phone near the sensor

2. by using a faster frequency, the proc is not getting so hot as it does on normal arc, thus it won't crack anymore.( someone here said that while using his arc at 1.2ghz it doesnt heat so much)
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
If they fixed the cracking issue I want the new case on my Arc :D

Maybe shops will do that.
[Xperia Arc General] danalex:
yes it would be very nice to replace us with the new case if it is improved, i am tired of limiting the usage of my phone when it gets hot...

can other people that have overclocked Arcs please confirm that it stays cooler?
[Xperia Arc General] Lie_Goddess:
Good job SE:)
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Doesn't get hotter and because of undervolt it might stay cooler. Mine is oc'ed @ 1.2GHz and when it gets hot it's because of charging or mobile data (HSDPA lets it get really hot when you download a lot like YouTube or an online stream)
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
Im looking daily eBay for front and back white pieces but I found only the back plastic. Hopefully there will be a replacement kit for the front soon from SE and not Chinese parts
[Xperia Arc General] Leone510:
Two small questions . I have xperia x10 and now i want to buy xperia arc or after little waiting arc s. But a lot of people say it is same as arc except processor.But i found some sites Arc processor same as arc Snapdragon MSM8255 but some of them say arc s processor is Snapdragon MSM8255T which is true? Yes , i read this topic about their differences but still i can't understand exactly what are their differences only T? :) Stock arc 1.0 ghz but we can improve it up to 1.9 . But stock arc s is 1.4 if we overclock Arc S what do you think what can we see will it be 2.3 or something like that? i mean what should i do just buy arc or wait than buy arc s ?
[Xperia Arc General] Retrosid:
Have anyone found replacement kit white from Arc S? I want to make my dark-blue arc white :P
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
So here i am bored, therefore I flashed doomlord kernel in and installed setcpu and put max clock to 1.4ghz. Now I am virtually using an Arc S. Great huh?
[Xperia Arc General] danalex:
jtdc , can you please confirm if your arc stays cooler now while gaming?

if so we all should overclock our arc to avoid cracks...
[Xperia Arc General] Switchbitch:
You said it! I still have my old t68i but lost the battery. I'd love to have it running again for nostalgia's sake :)
[Xperia Arc General] scoobysnacks:
T just means their tolerances were further tested, much like a precision resistor...

it is literally the exact same chip
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
Hi Dana. I'm sorry but I don't play games on the arc. Luckily I don't have the cracks as well. I am just testing 1.4ghz. So far, no hangups or crashes.

@scooby if you don't have an arc yet, then better get the arc s.
[Xperia Arc General] scoobysnacks:
I'm nor getting either, but why would you recommend that chances are it will be more money for the same phone
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
Basically it's because no matter what people says, it's still a newer model. If I don't had an arc yet and I'm eyeing Sony phone, I'd get the arc s.
[Xperia Arc General] mhyke13ph:
Actually Arc S price is lower than the Original Arc when launched according to some Online Site

but Better CPU, Android 2.3.4 Inside and More Colors :D

and maybe, crack issues are fixed in Arc S but then we have to wait for someone to confirm this
[Xperia Arc General] hygge:
It would only stay cooler if you undervolt it and keep it at 1GHz, overclocking it will allways create more heat and consume more battery as a higher number of pulses are send through the cpu per second.

You might be lucky and have one of the higher quality chips that will tolerate a large amount of undervolting. I am for example able to decrease voltage from 1200mV to 950mV at 1GHz and run 1.5GHz at 1200mV which is also the normal voltage at 1GHz.

I was playing 2 hours of Dungeon Defenders yesterday at 1,5GHz, highest temperature peaked at 38 Celcius. Do not know what temperatures is normal, I have personally set my acceptable limit at 40.

Had some unknown bugs in my older stock firmware that caused my temperature to go up to 48 just by having homescreen displayed after a few minuttes. This felt very hot and you could allmost feel the heat radiate from the screen and it was uncomfortable to touch the top of the touchscreen. 38 degress only makes it feel slightly warm at the back of the phone after 2 hours of gaming with overclocked cpu.
[Xperia Arc General] scoobysnacks:
it isn't a better CPU though it is exactly the same ...

would only be helpful to those who don't mod their phones.

I think it's ridiculous personally and if they don't art least fix the housing issue then it is a total cash grab
[Xperia Arc General] Flo95:
Mine doesn't get hotter @ 1.2GHz. Undervolting makes it possible :D

Wow, that's extremly undervolted. I just undervolted all frequencies up to 1.2GHz (I use 1.2 as daily and not more so I didn't uv higher frequencies) -100mV and it's stable. Didn't go further as I'm happy as it is. Maybe my Arc can be undervolted even more, but -100mV should save enough battery
[Xperia Arc General] jtdc:
What application you guys recommend for voltings?
[Xperia Arc General] shtreber:
Thats nice... Mine works now at 38 degrees... I did 4 quadrant tests and using xda... -.-