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[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
No hissy fit, I simply said it's a non-issue. The majority aren't watching movies on their phone while listening on a Bluetooth headset. I myself prefer a nice set of skullcandy headphones while doing so. Not exactly portable but my OS shows that I prefer quality over other unimportant things.
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
Quality? Like 'pretty' displays and smooth transitions? Not plentiful options? Not an abundance of avaialble options / content?

I feel like all I am hearing is 'WP7 is better because it offers 60FPS screen transitions' and 'has pretty tiles.'

I have been, more so was, seriously considering the platform, but the more I read, hear, the less interest I have. What are the real benefits? I don't give a **** about transition speeds so long as they aren't as slow as things were ages ago (which is how people are acting). Forget mentions of the Live integration, the majority of people I hear from don't count this as a huge positive. I guess the younger kids would, but most don't game on their phone more than briefly and occasionally. Who looks to really throw down on games on their phone? What kind of job (dude who mentioned it) offers you time to play games? I suppose I could squeeze a word turn in here or there, but for the most part? No. I hear the Live integration is a way too hyped up feature.

I want the goods. REAL reasons. I don't want to hear about keyboard input when my KB takes my strokes as smooth as is necessary, to the point I wouldn't notice it if some hawk eyed eagle over my shoulder started nerding on me. I want options, content and depth. I hear goods things added with Mango, yet things still missing. I hear some Google services not entirely up to par. I just want to hear more legitimate reasons than screen transitions, tiles and keyboard input. There is so much more available, why do people think this is the most important?

Sent from m-IUI
[Off-topic] wendellc:
Lots of folk watch movies on their phones. Netflix, hulu + are really popular apps on both ios and android.

Skullcandy is quality? You kidding right...
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
i find that the quality of headphones is largely dependant on style of music. For my Sinatra era stuff I'll use Bose. For my 90s alt-rock I use skullcandy, it offers a more grungy quality.

As for my job, I am a web designer and a teacher of computer science as of this year. It doesn't get much easier.

As for the benefits of WP7, OS-wide uniformity which really doesn't sound too outstanding til you use it. The fact that most third party apps are built to match the rest of the interface is pleasant.

There's of course the tiles and speed which offer much more usability and easy access. Again, there are small things that you don't pick up til you use it. For instance, the GB keyboard felt instant until I used the wp7 keyboard. Now I notice a seemingly huge pause between my tap and actual input.

There's the office option which I grow more and more amazed by. I find all kinds of little tricks and tweaks to make use of that SkyDrive storage that I love and word on WP7 is undoubtedly my favorite text editor.

The social network integration, while it may not apply to you beats out any other OS.

I could continue, but really wp7 is just one of those things you have to really use before you understand how great it is. I've tried going back to android once and using android on a tablet once since becoming a wp7 user. Neither lasted a day and I jumped back to the hp touchpad and the dell venue pro. Nothing else feels anywhere near as high quality a product.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
Z33 you are retarded...lol. oh my gosh

whyumadtho
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Non issue? Seriously have you forgotten what we're talking about?

You asked ME what I WP7's failings were for ME and I answered. You couldn't deny that WP7 is lacking those basic features.

It doesn't matter if someone who'd suit a Nokia 5510 has no problem with WP7, I'm not that person. I need a decent smartphone that can do the basic things that my old dumb phones could do.

WP7 is not up to the task and never will be.

We know it's fine for you, you have pretty minor needs. Customisation confuses you, seperate apps for social media is awkward for you, you really only use your phone for calls and maybe a bit of browsing and gaming, so a basic phone like WP7 is ideal for you.
[Off-topic] nk7:
I wonder if a steve jobs memorial iphone is coming into play just to con some more people toward apple....hmm I wonder if I get kicked out for this.

But the few times I hear about a similar topic to this I think of the joke bout the bmw badge and a plate of dog poo. Just cannot recall the story..
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
"People" don't (notice how WP7 phones aren't selling). Zee does. And he's hailing WP7 the best thing since slice bread, just because it has that. Nothing else matters to him, it's all about smooooooooooooooooth.

But if 20fps less in animations, that one can't even notice (and how did he determine that number anyway?), is the price I have to pay for all the added flexibility and functionality which Android provides, it's a price I'll gladly pay.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
There is something I want you to read. Actually, I want *everyone* to read it, but particularly z33: http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_

The most interesting bits:

And the video of the device:

[YOUTUBE]1FJHYqE0RDg[/YOUTUBE]

So... you were saying?
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Oh my god! look at the lag! Oh wait, there isn't any :D
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I do hope you're joking :/

Either way, doesn't show much as far as the UI goes. It still looks like blackberry to me though. Doesn't prove anything as far as the UI. And ah, I miss the rumors of gphones, the images of mock-ups were awesome.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Yeah, he's joking. Any reasonable person can discern the lag when comparing to WP7. Besides, I showed them a tried and true method of actually, easily and clearly experiencing the difference by pulling up the dial pad and tapping in numbers. In Android, even on the very best and most powerful one, there is a slight lag between the input and carry out of the command. On WP7 it is immediate. No lag whatsoever. And it's almost as though WP7 detects the command a micro second before you input it.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Blackberry has all-display finger-touch phones?

Your power of denial is awesome I must say. You were flaunting that pic of the blackberry-esque phone like crazy. This video proves that Google was from the very beginning prototyping several interfaces for different kinds of form factors, making your argument that they did a 180° when they saw the iPhone void. But here you are, casually saying "it doesn't prove anything".
[Off-topic] AnasNazeer:
this google apple war is totally useless , let there be peace
[Off-topic] undercover:
And it makes you a coffee in the morning. WP7 is a second best thing after Chuck Norris.
[Off-topic] Zreeper:
i think android it just the best
[Off-topic] xaccers:
No you see, I don't have to justify my phone choice to myself constantly :)

Notice how the globe spins without stuttering, responds instantly to his finger movements.

Remember, this was way back.

Mostly it shows that the photo you showed of early android phones isn't the only format they were working on, and they don't look like Blackberrys of the time.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Sorry, but if you can just ignore that much lag there's no point in trying to convince away that level of fanboyism. Pretty much everyone at that point was working on a full-touch UI. Android's UI in particular just still looked like BBOS
[Off-topic] xaccers:
I think you have a problem with your internet connection if the video is lagging for you Zee.

The globe is a prime example of what I mean, he moves his finger and the globe moves instantly tracking his finger. If there was lag he'd move his finger and the globe would take it's time to move.

Frankly, I'm sick to the back teeth of your lying, I don't for one moment believe you're out of your teens, certainly don't believe you're a developer, and definitely don't believe you've used android in quite a while and only on a few handsets which you freely admitted to messing up when trying to flash.
[Off-topic] undercover:
I think I'm going to start reporting your posts as a provocation. Seriously, we don't like you. Go away. We listened to your opinion which does look sound at first, but more you post more obvious is that YOU are the fanboy. You ask people for their opinion, then dismiss it as a "no problem" for YOU. Again, its Google vs Apple thread. Stfu and GO AWAY.

Xaccers,me and a lot of others DO realise shortcomings of Android, but benefits overweight it for us. It has been explained to you, but you choose to ignore that other people might think different and try to FORCE your opinion on them. You've tried and tried and tried and had no success. So why keep doing it? I'd say because you are a troll.

Now, for the last time, GO AWAY!
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Xaccers, there's nothing instant about that. I have no reason to lie. I acknowledge my OS's shortcomings, can you do the same?

Tinky, report me if you'd like. I've broken no rule. I stated a valid opinion a few pages back, someone disagreed and mocked wp7 as a defense mechanism. I replied. That's how wp7 got thrown into the mix.

I know you came from winmo which was a lagfest for anything more than homescreen navigation so this is likely a step up but to not acknowledge one of the biggest complaints android has is just lame.
[Off-topic] undercover:
Fine, let's leave it all behind and leave wp7 for dedicated threads. Everyone, just stick with it please. So from now on WP7 is TABOO here.

Tbh z33, I don't think you'll stay quiet for long.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I have no issue with staying on topic. I feel as though apple is in the right. If the company that created a feature was not intelligent enough to patent it or sold the patent to apple then apple has every right to such a patent. I mean the patent system, regardless of hindrance, is completely logical. Who can be the jury on what technology is widespread enough to have the patents treated loosely? No one has that right as each individual piece of technology has a reason and a value despite how integral or unnecessary they may seem. If apple was the one smart enough to swoop up these patents when every other company in the world had the same option, good for them. Building is not the only aspect of technology, there are also the legal aspects and obligations.
[Off-topic] NatTheCat:
Apple vs Google = IOs5 vs Ice Cream Sandwich

Hummm I know what I would rather have after a big meal.

Wait why are we discussing this ourselves? Lets just ask "SIRI"®©

Seriously ask Siri. I would like to know.
[Off-topic] Hodapp007:
Apple, Google, Microsoft...Lol
[Off-topic] fedaa1426:
Finally, Apple will lose
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
There is a really huge fatal flaw in your reasoning. Patents were created for the betterment of society, to make valuable knowledge public, to foster innovation, to protect the little guy with an idea from large companies.

Software patents don't do that. Software patents are vague, overly broad or trivial. And they don't describe an implementation, they describe a "method to do something". Taken into the world of literature, it's like patenting the progression of a crime novel. Imagine if someone had a patent on crime novels. No one would be writing crime novels. Or a patent on romance novels, same thing. Great works of literature could not have been written. How does that contribute to the betterment of society? It doesn't. Further, every single little thing is patented, things that are in no way on Earth an "invention" worthy of a patent, things that every seasoned developer could come up with on their own. If every developer can come up with it, I do not call it an "invention", I call it an obvious thing, and patenting it an absurdity.

The result? Software patents stifle innovation. Because you can't create anything without infringing tons of trivial patents. Anything you create, if you don't have millions of dollars at your disposal (and a start-up company won't), you'll be sued into oblivion. Patents are used by large companies to destroy any newcomer that enters their market. This is bad for competition, and lack of competition drives up prices and causes stagnation of progress. This is the exact opposite of what patents were created for. So when you say the patent system is logical... no, it completely is not. A system that achieves the opposite of what it was supposed to be achieving cannot in any way be described as logical.

This has nothing to to with "intelligence" or being a "smart" company. It's all about a flawed system that can be and is being abused, bastardizing patents into a weapon of destruction instead of a way to foster innovation. Anyone who supports this system either has no idea how it actually works, has an agenda, or is a fanboy. There are no other options. I mean really, answer me this, honestly: Do you think a patent on a crime novel is a good thing?
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Actually z33 apple is in the wrong. As I posted in the other thread, according to US Patent law, if something is available for public use for more than a year it is illegal for someone else to patent it. The problem is, when a patent is submitted it goes to a board for approval and no one is able to object to the patent mainly because they don't know it is submitted. It was no ones fault that the board had no clue this technology existed. Either way Apple does own the patent, BUT they cannot pursue action against violation of this patent as it will not hold up in court.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Desperate, are you?
[Off-topic] HeavenlyWinds:
Poor apple, if i were CEO i would go crazy each time HTC releases a phone.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I dont think they care so much about HTC. Samsung perhaps, but HTC's build quality is laughable.
[Off-topic] ajithpregy:
Atleast android devices arent expensive as iphone so google might grab the shares..:)
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
the patent system is a tool, it was created to be utilized in whatever way is most convenient for you. I didn't have a can opener once and didn't want to run to sears so I used a screwdriver. Tools may have a general concept of what they are to be used for but they can be used in different ways, some a bit more logical than others.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
typical response to dodge a valid point.

that is ridiculous
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
I told you directly what it was created for and how it's in use now. There are no nuances or general concepts or such, the total opposite of it's intended purpose is happening. You can pretend it isn't so, you can pretend all you want that the system is "logical", but that won't make it so. Reality proves you wrong.

And I notice you didn't answer the question at the end of my post.
[Off-topic] metehan777:
apple is better
[Off-topic] lowandbehold:
Thank you for that educated contribution to this discussion. I'm sure the apple fans are ecstatic that you decided to join in on the fun.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
where is it written that this is it's intention?

And no, however they're two completely different things and can not be properly compared.

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love that you said nothing to the 50+ android statements of similar substance.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Read up on the history of patents. In exchange for disclosing their knowledge, the inventor receives a temporary monopoly. This monopoly is an incentive to invent. Through this incentive, people invent, and then disclose their knowledge, which contributes to the betterment of society. Or, to quote the US constitution, patents "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts..."

But nowadays patents are a weapon of destruction. Apple trying to destroy Samsung, as a nice example. Destruction != Progress of Science and useful Arts.

That's just the thing, they're not different things. It's the same concept. It's again something that you can deny and pretend otherwise, but it won't make it so.

So you've admitted that software patents are no good. Try to twist your way out all you want, it'll just be that, twisting.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
he will... it's how he argues
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
a wiki article won't convince me, I modified Steve Job's wiki article when I was an android fanboy to say that he was the lovechild of Rupaul and something, don't remember but eh, seems legit right?

As for the software patents, I admitted no such thing. Literature and software are in no way related. I definitely agree with software patents and hope google gets on patenting face unlock before iOS puts it in their arsenal, gives it a cooler name, and markets it as "magic."
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Where did you get wiki from? Where did I mention wiki?

I'm going to understand this as you not wanting to read up on the history of patents, because it would prove me right on how patents have been bastardized. It's up to you to show me different.

See, as I said, twisting. I never said they're related. I gave a comparison of concepts. Patenting "a method to do something in software" is the same concept as patenting "the progression of a crime novel in literature". In both cases it's about describing a process, instead of describing a particular implementation.

The only reason you're agreeing on software patents is because you're ignorant on what patents were initially about, which is contrary to how they're used today.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Not at all, I simply think that it's a tool with many implementations. Regardless of what it was originally, perhaps it's evolved to this and I don't see it as all bad. I think it will force people to create work-arounds and breed innovation. That's just my opinion, we each have our own, and neither is correct. That's the point of them being opinions.
[Off-topic] Shivammcool:
APPLE SUCKS WP7 MANGOS.........ANDROID FTW!
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Ah yes, hiding behind "opinion" again. But that won't fly here. Software patents do not foster innovation. That's not opinion, that's reality. An entire continent being deprived of a company's products (Australia being deprived of Galaxy Tabs) is *not* innovation. You cannot twist yourself out of this one. Though I'm sure you'll try.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
There's no twisting involved. I'm not to blame that Samsung took a page out of Steve Jobs' book and "borrowed" some design elements.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
And Apple borrowed from what came before it. You yourself acknowledged that in a post today. So singling out Samsung here as some big thief will not fly.

So yes, you're twisting. Banning a product from a continent is not innovation, a system that allows for this to happen is not "logical".
[Off-topic] skram77xda:
+1 on that.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
you can't convince him he is wrong. even though he is. he knows he is wrong, but will not admit it, not the type of person who will do so. just fact brah

z33, you seriously have got to be joking right now... honestly man come on.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
-2 on that...just to nullify the vote.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
martylk is singling them out as a culprit, not I. Apple is one of the biggest thieves but their legal team is apparently just as good as their marketing team.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
And how does this go together with "I agree with the patent system", "the patent system is good", when this system allows one of the biggest thieves (your words) to ban a product from a continent? It doesn't. You're contradicting yourself here.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Their legal team is good, apple licenses or buys what it needs to continue, google just gets sued.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
well for once, i kinda see what z33 is trying to say... correct me if i am wrong...

he is saying that apple is just as huge a thief as anybody... but he agrees with patenting software... is this correct z33?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
That's not an answer to my question. So again, how is the system good when it allows one of the biggest thieves (your words) to ban a product from a continent?

And a follow-up question: How does banning a product from a continent foster innovation?

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Yes, but this makes no sense. A system that allows thieves to win cannot in a sane mind be considered good.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
It forces Samsung to find a work-around. I mean their UI is the most iphonish aside from miui. Is it good to me that the galaxy tab was banned? No. Do I think it's wrong? No. I mean they were clearly going for an ipad-esque appeal there when there are infinite design elements they could've changed and there'd have been no concern.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Apple hasn't stolen anything that I'm aware of. They came out with the first desktop consumer oriented computer. They came out with the first capacitive multi-touch smartphone with all the features in one phone. And Google came out with a system that copy's Apple. Samsung came out with hardware that copy's Apple

I'd say everyone but Apple are thieves.
[Off-topic] TheSniperFan:
The patent-system is NOT bad. It's just outdated. Nowadays patents should only be valid for a few months, so that the innovator has a bit of time to make money out of his invention. Technology just advances way faster than it did when the laws were made.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
This makes no sense. So you agree it's bad that it happened, but at the same time you don't think it's wrong that it happened? Really, this makes no sense.

Also, how does this foster innovation? And no, "It forces Samsung to find a work-around" is not an answer. There's a lot more to the Tabs than similarity to some other device. Everything one can do with a Tab, everything that could be created thanks to a person owning a Tab (like writing some piece of software for it, that greatly benefits a lot of people), is now not possible.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
With the interface copied from Xerox.

So what? A lot of those features are copied. The capacitive screen was on the LG Prada. The slide-to-unlock gesture was on the Neonode N1m. And I could go on and on.

By your logic, if I take something that's only in iOS and something that's only in Android, and combine them in a new product, I haven't copied anything, because I'll be the first that made a smartphone with all the features in one phone. That's some of the insanest logic I've seen.

Yes, because you twist everything to your liking and ignore everything that goes against your view.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Spend 5 years developing technology, make funds off of it for 2 months. Seems legit.

/sarcasm

When both ends are thieves, someone's still gotta win. Think patriots vs raiders. Two different types of thieves, one of them will win though.

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Does it have to be an extreme with you? I'm indifferent. The ban aids me in no way but I don't find it to be wrong either. They didn't patent the tablet as a whole, just some design elements, build around those elements and you have a product that doesn't look like everything else, something new, dare I say, innovative?
[Off-topic] upichie:
Gusar321, I have to give you credit. Coming from the poster that single-handedly starts the most arguements over meaningless stuff by trolling people, it's amazing seeing someone calm and collectively point out every flaw in his argument. To z33, he's still right; to all of us, we congratulate you on exposing even more of z33's misinformed, hypocritical ways. I personally thank you.

Being a self-proclaimed hater of Android, I would say the ban benefits the giddy-child inside of you greatly.