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[Off-topic] upichie:
They do any they don't. An Apple fanboy could care less what hardware will be in the next iPhone, they're still going to buy it. An Android fanboy couldn't care less what hardware was in the best Android device, they're still going to buy it—and that's the point I was making. Of course, an Android fanboy would care about the hardware within the Android family.

But to say for any other user it has no value is plain wrong. I know a lot about the current mobile industry, and because of that, all of my friends and family have a few questions for me when they decide to purchase a new phone. They don't ask me which has the best pink case, they ask me about the operating systems and the hardware.

And z33dev33l, you'll like this one: I send most of them to WP7. :)
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
I dont think android is invalid by a long shot, I just think they sacrifice quality for functions that the vast majority would deem entirely unnecessary if they even knew about them. I believe it has it's position in the market strictly because of price and availability based on this.
[Off-topic] daleosis:
Lol, I can read and comment while taking a **** thanks to my mango phone.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
That's called real-world multi-tasking. :D
[Off-topic] daleosis:
lol, ****. how is your wireless working? :)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpVpJPjSss
[Off-topic] glori2:
vote for google, coz i'm android user
[Off-topic] upichie:
Welcome to 1994. You must be new here.
[Off-topic] chrisnosleep:
ROFL... sounds like a crapple user...

Get it?
[Off-topic] Ouden:
iOS is good, but google is better :P

I love Android.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
Mobile OS history
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
This is sad. I always enjoyed using Android. Looks like I was using stolen technology now. That angers me more than anything, involving me and every other user out there in Google's crooked doings. And they even got some of my money. That won't happen anymore. I hope retribution is effected very well against Google.

http://www.dailytech.com/Steve+Jobs...s+a+Stolen+Product/article23077c.htm#comments
[Off-topic] manlisten:
It took until now for you to realize that Android took ideas from the iPhone?
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
It took til now to know Android truly was stolen tech. I didn't really believe it too much before. But after Schmidt tried to make licensing agreements with Apple, that proved it. Sad that Jobs didn't allow the licensing.
[Off-topic] freefall2:
Oh my god I had no idea. This annoys me because if we lost Android what would we do.... be tied down with iOS?
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Everyone is taking ideas from everyone else. It's impossible not to. But at the same time everyone also adds a bit of something of their own to the mix. That's how things work. Apple is no exception. Does the name "Xerox" ring a bell? How about the interview where Steve Jobs said "Good artist copy. Great artist steal." ? And have you looked at iOS5?

But somehow only Apple is a supposed "victim" and everyone else is the "bad bad thief". It's ridiculous. And speaking of "stolen tech" is even more ridiculous.

And oh yeah, how 'bout this little link: http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future. Uncanny, innit?
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
How did they steal ideas from apple? Because they adopted the same touch screen idea? That’s freaking retarded to presume.

Not the same phone, not the same OS, not the same market, hell the apps aren’t even written in the same code. Linux and Unix are two very different operating systems and the “unix” that apple uses is so bastardized it’s not even Unix anymore.

Because apple was the first to put a touch screen on their phones nobody else can and they will sue whoever does something after they do that is remotely similar? Screw apple, and screw jobs for thinking he is God and better than everybody else. There was a thread posted about him talking about his biography and how he thought his colleagues were after nothing but money, yet he vows to pursue to his death in the courts a case that would end up winning him BILLIONS of dollars in law suits. Why doesn’t he, and Samsung, and everybody else stop being jackasses and just contribute to the good of society without getting ass hurt about every little thing based on long existing personal problems with the other company’s CEO.

It’s like all of these men were bullied on the playground when they were kids for being freaking nerdy ass little queers and now they have power and want to prove a point. It’s ridiculous.

It’s like me saying well I invented the wheel, so different versions of the wheel, and all wheels despite their chemical properties are copyright infringements and belong to me. I control the wheel, nobody else can use it. Mine is made of rubber, and even though yours is made of plastic, it’s still mine because it has the same shape to it.

Effing dumb.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Everything short of the original google search that google has now was either stolen or bought. They don't do anything themselves anymore and certainly don't innovate. If not for the array of hardware it was put on to android would be completely laughable but since you could probably put android on a toaster without much effort it's everywhere.

Edit: cobraboy85, please review your smartphone history textbook as a lot of what you said there was wrong. IOS was the first touch screen phone? I had one 3 years before the iPhone came out I believe.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
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well then i guess steve jobs is nothing but a thief as well
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
No valid response? Nothing relevant to say? What's the link to memebase again? Also, I hope you didn't miss my edit up there.

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yes, let's have a look at what android looked like before they stole the iPhone style UI...

http://random.andrewwarner.com/what...d-like-before-and-after-the-launch-of-iphone/

Oh, that's right. They were ripping off the then-market-leader blackberry. They just found something newer and nicer to rip off.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
I don’t give two flying ****s about what they stole, or what apple stole, or what Samsung thinks they stole. I just wish you would stop posting in these forums. Nobody likes you.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Look at the top-left Nokia in that pic. See any similarity with the iPhone when it comes to the interface? Cos I sure do. Oh, and the SonyEricsson P800 is missing in the pic. Not to mention the LG Prada.

This pretending that the iPhone is totally unique and unlike anything that came before it is... idk what to call it. Madness.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
you grow upset easy. Please try to stay on topic.
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
yeah i know.

and z33 is still retarded
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
we both know the prada was the only really similar device. That's why they went to LG for parts on the original. However, it's more the UX that Steve jobs is upset about. Android tried to emulate the UI, the control scheme, and numerous other functions, albeit poorly, and sadly succeeded in a kind of Jessica Alba vs Betty White kind of way. They provided a low-end iPhone alternative which eliminated what they were considering as a marketing strategy (a phone in every price range, 3gs for low class, 4 for mid class, 4s for top-tier.) I don't agree with it as it too clearly states our positions in society but that was the idea. Now, there's iPhone alternatives for free and they hate it and make no mistake, to most of the non-geeks in the world that's what it is, an iPhone alternative.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
Ok, I'm kindly asking you to lay off. Master trolls like z33 have the ability to quickly turn any little infraction of yours against you. You know, play the victim card. They dish out like crazy, but when you do even a tiny thing, they go yelling "mommy, they're meeeeeeeean to me!" And unfortunately, they get away with it.

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You mean the UX that the same pic you're praising clearly demonstrates is totally like S60? Take the Prada design and hardware (capacitive screen) and the S60 interface and voila, iPhone.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
So how exactly is an OS with widgets, wallpapers, seperate app draw, moveable shortcut icons, ability to install apps from anywhere, and multiple function buttons, a clone of IOS with it's app draw and, well, er, that's about it.

Bump scrolling at the end of lists? Well my old ipaq had that.

The quotes from the upcoming iBiography just go to show what an egotistical pathetic little man Jobs was who never got over losing his hypocritical court cases against MS all those years ago.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Praising? Certainly not. I don't like iOS at all. Now, if you're talking about the fact that it's rows and columns of icons that is pretty much where the similarity ends. That said, my first ever phone had that in the menu as well rather than a text based menu. The UX or user experience pertains to the swipe left to right ease, the marketplace styling, and many other minor things that just enhance the experience the phone gives you.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
No, actually Jobs is the only one who hasn't stolen anything. Unless he lied to Woz about not getting the full amount of money he was supposed to from HP for reducing chip size in a particular circuit board, for which he promised Woz half of what he got...I think $50,000 or something like that...because it was Woz who did the chip size reducing. He told Woz they didn't give him all they said they would...only a fraction of it.

Beyond that, Jobs has been an innocent. MacOS started out completely coded by Apple and then later on got into OSx by combining MacOS with UNIX from Nextstep. Everything was above board and fully legal. Even the GUI Apple got from Xerox was given to them.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Then why did Xerox try and sue Apple for stealing their GUI that they hadn't licensed to Apple?

Lets not forget that what Microsoft used for Windows 1 that was similar to Apple was licensed from Apple legally.

It was only when they developed Windows further into a better product that Apple got snotty and tried to claim ownership and it was thrown out of court.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
i remember those cases :D

and specially when MS had to bail them out of bankruptcy :p
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
The "praising" part referred to the picture, praising it because it supposedly shows the great thief that is Google, not "praising iOS".

And going by your criteria then, I'll just repeat what xaccers said: So how exactly is an OS with widgets, wallpapers, separate app drawer, moveable shortcut icons, ability to install apps from anywhere, and multiple function buttons, a clone of IOS with it's app drawer and, well, er, that's about it.

I mean really, this phenomenon is just further madness. I'm talking here of the phenomenon where there's one set of criteria when comparing iPhone to what came before it, and then there's a different set of criteria when comparing Android to iPhone/iOS.

Every tiny similarity of Android to iOS counts against Android, doesn't matter that there's a whole bunch of stuff that's not at all similar. But when using the same criteria to compare iOS and S60, no points against iOS are awarded or suddenly other things matter. I can only repeat... madness.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Because court cases that have no relevance to google, were about desktop OSes, and happened last century are totally relevant.

I don't believe apple is innocent at all but to deny that google stole is foolish. I mean they were going to steal from whoever the market leader was, clearly, it happened to be iOS.

That said, the whole concept of iOS was pretty much given from bill gates during an interview, 4 months before ios went into development there was a sit-down between jobs and gates and regarding mobile OSes, Gates said he knew he was doing wrong. He said the ideal mobile OS would be finger-friendly, offer smooth transitions, allow easy access to applications and games as well as developer incentive, and have to be kept much, much simpler than what Microsoft was doing. Had Bill Gates taken his own advice rather than spouting it during an interview windows phone would likely be a market leader.

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because with you S60 criteria, pretty much every mobile OS ever not made by windows would be a thief.

The original iteration of android only allowed stock wallpapers and widgets aside from the clock which was essentially an icon that filled 4 spaces were nowhere to be found. Android may have improved upon it's paper-thin foundation but it's foundation was pretty much just an iOS clone.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
MS have always seemed to not take their mobile OSs seriously.

Look at what they had with activsync, microsoft reader, even WMP.

With just a bit of thought they could have cracked a deal with an online publisher and been as kindle etc are now, or made a deal with the music industry and the film industry.

We had handango as an app store for how many years? MS could have seen the potential and bought it out or created the marketplace so much earlier.

So lets get this straight, from the outset Android had wallpapers and widgets, could handle phones with keyboards, yet somehow this is a clone of IOS? Nope, I just don't see the similarities.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
I don't know how you got Windows in there, but pretty much that's the whole point! To show that Apple is no different from others. Everyone copies from everyone else. It's impossible not to. I said that already, a few posts back. If only more people could get this into their heads. iPhone/iOS are in no way unique.

If we take the criteria that every single similarity of Android to iOS is an infraction against Android, then every single similarity of iOS to S60 is an infraction against iOS. And there were OSes before S60 (PalmOS comes to mind - PalmOS 4.0 from 2001: http://images.quebarato.com.mx/T440...coyoacan+distrito+federal+mexico__22D55_4.jpg), so even S60 has infractions. One big happy family of thieves! Or, we take the more sensible approach and recognize that there are no thieves, and it's just the way the industry works.

Oh, except Apple is treated differently. Why? Well, they're Apple. Different rules apply to them. Because.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
lol

Very apt :D
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Convieniantly ignoring Android started off like BB and ended up as a niche replacement for Windows mobile which it shares most of its features with. Did anyone else try running Windoes mobile with an alternitive shell such as spb mobile shell? Whats it look like? Android? yeah I thought so. The only thing Apple does is lie.
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
Touch screens have been around since long before apple, over half of the patents are not their invention.

Imagine a world where only one car company had the IP for a gas pedal. Software patents are worse, the whole system is a disaster.

Talk about stealing ideas, apple stole Microsoft's playbook.

I hope Android counter sues for the notification bar and gets an injunction against iOs5, then they can settle, license and go back to making products rather than paying lawyers.
[Off-topic] Brighter85:
talking about stealing?

Quote that will appear on Steve's biography this month..

Jobs was reportedly livid that HTC released an Android device which feature many of the popular features of the iPhone. Apple sued, and Jobs told Isaacson in an expletive-laced rant that Google's actions amounted to "grand theft."

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs said. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

At a meeting with Eric Schmidt in Palo Alto, Calif., cafe, Jobs told Schmidt that he wasn't interested in settling the lawsuit.

"I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing.

ooooooo..... don't kill the messenger.. :D
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
SRSLY, BRO. SRSLY.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
Android ripped the notification bar lol, it's not something unique/original to Android at all.
[Off-topic] animatechnica:
And apple ripped off the mouse and gui from Xerox...what goes around comes around...read up on history boys
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
There was no theft involved. Xerox handed it to them freely. Some involved at Xerox weren't pleased by it. But that's what happened. And any lawsuits coming from it are frivolous much like the Oracle suit against Google.
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
I was mocking his hilariously strong response to this 'news.' :)

viva la MIUI
[Off-topic] fongwe:
Apple everything closed. :(

Google everything open. :)
[Off-topic] xHausx:
[YOUTUBE]CW0DUg63lqU[/YOUTUBE]
[Off-topic] yujin_11:
He is just too bitter until his death.

He's ego is larger than himself.

He is just arrogant
[Off-topic] Handsome Rob:
It doesn't matter who invented it, it matters who has the patent, who probably isn't the inventor.

That's the shame.
[Off-topic] AllGamer:
when Microsoft was bigger, Apple always targeted Microsoft

now that Google is bigger than MS, Apple goes after Google

in the future when the next big Giant comes along, Apple will be targeting the next money making machine

it's historically proven by Apple's own court track record
[Off-topic] xaccers:
He used bits that they didn't license and then he tried to sue MS for exactly the same thing so Xerox sued apple.

Lets also not forget all those apps apple rejected from the app store but then added to the next ios version without giving any credit to the original developer, in some cases using the same name and a slightly modified logo. Not only is that theft of IP it is also theft of income due to no one needing to buy said app for their jailbroken phones and denial of income by refusing submission to the app store for a legitimate app.

But you keep sayijng they never stole anything, it'll be your little secret.
[Off-topic] wendellc:
EXACTLY!!

Steve Jobs and company are biggest pricks and hypocrites of them all!
[Off-topic] thukas:
google 2, apple 1
[Off-topic] Erze:
I don't belive it!
[Off-topic] mmegalodon:
Believe it.

:D

viva la MIUI
[Off-topic] dakine:
Damn this bull**** is starting to piss me off, its bad enough that companies pretend that completely trivial crap actually contitutes a patent claim but to see real people buy into it is beyond belief. This is like a f#$cking car company filing a patent for the wheel. Its all bull**** and it is not what the patent laws are meant to do. A grid with icons?? Yeah like i had on windows 3.1. A notification bar? Gimme a break! Anyone filing useless claims like this should be beaten with a stick. Its clear Steve was a bit of a prick at times.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
You mean those jailbroken apps that the developer got hired on at Apple to work for?
[Off-topic] xaccers:
No, the ones where Apple rejected them from the appstore, leaving their only market the jailbroken one, and then Apple incorporated said apps into IOS updates, sometimes not even changing the name of the feature, knowing they could get away with it because how is a bedroom developer going to be able to afford to take on Apple.

And of course there's the whole copying Delicious Library to make iBooks.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
If I remember correctly they didn't actually hire them. It was more like an internship, meaning no or little income. And it was only some or a small amount of devs.
[Off-topic] Bassarnis:
Perhaps you missed THAT ----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

In case you missed it, or don't want to watch the video: "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

Enjoy.
[Off-topic] Illicit Hero:
You are thinking of Comex, he makes/finds exploits(jailbreaks) much like Geohotz did. He doesn't make the apps.
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Ah oki, wrong info there then.
[Off-topic] galaxys:
Never did like Applesauce...but Icecream rocks!!
[Off-topic] sweetpotatoz:
for me, Android is always better, but most normal users want iOS because they think Android is more complicated, because android users always mention about rooting, flashing, and tweaks :)
[Off-topic] Kailkti:
Well android users do not always mention rooting, flashing or tweaks. We mention rooting, flashing or tweaks. XDA's member list is not nearly as big as the android fanbase, hence why I can make the conclusion that a normal user does not even know or perform root.
[Off-topic] Gusar321:
We mention these things because we can do them, not necessarily because we must. That's the big difference.

It depends on which particular statistics you look at, but Android has about 47% of the market, IIRC. You think all of those 47% are rooting/flashing/tweaking? Surely not. They're happy with their phones as is. XDA is as hacker's place, don't take the population here as representative for the entire Android population.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
Too bad we can't get a definitive number of people who were sold because they wanted an iPhone alternative but it isn't available on their carrier or in their budget. Or perhaps the line that cracked me up the most when working for T-mobile. "It's just like the iPhone, it even has the app store. The cool thing about this though is that the screen is bigger."
[Off-topic] upichie:
Even if they did actually want an iPhone and got stuck with Android, I think it's safe to say that WP7 never crossed their minds—not even once. ;)
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
well sure, it's plagued with poor marketing, underselling retailers, and the fact that geeks tend to shoot down anything modern made by Microsoft. However, if they wanted iOS quality then this would be their only other option.
[Off-topic] MartyLK:
Actually iOS doesn't have the quality of WP7 Mango. I liken iOS to something patched together compared to WP7. WP7 Mango seems, feels and acts as a finely crafted work of art. iOS is nice and very acceptable, and much better than Android ever was or ever will be, no doubt. But it isn't polished like WP7.
[Off-topic] z33dev33l:
agreed. I was taking into consideration the OS as a whole including the app stores offerings when I said they were on level fields
[Off-topic] xaccers:
I think this is the start, of a beautiful Bromance :D

WP7 was pushed heavily over here, Euston station for instance was flooded with WP7 paraphernalia; LCD poster boards, massive poster above the escalators, walls vinyl coated with WP7 devices and adverts, even the turnstyles were WP7 vinyled.

Phone stores had massive signs up pushing WP7, there was a TV campain wrongly claiming to be the only mobile with Office, showing funky games, and xbox integration. Sales people were pushing the uninformed towards WP7 (hence how one of my friends was lumbered with one) rather than more suitable phones (like a second hand Nokia 5110).

And the public responded "meh"

Despite the queues (my sister's husband was in one and now they have no money for xmas - there's an indication of the apple user mentality) in the early hours a lot of potential customers also responded "meh" to the iphone 4S, they don't know or care about it only having 18 month old technology rather than 3 year old technology inside, all they care about is it looks like what they've already got so how can they impress their friends? Ok, that may be true in a lot of cases, but seriously, most I've spoken with who are meh about the 4S think along the lines of "I like my iphone 4, it has the GBs and the WIFI, why do I want to replace it with an identical phone?"
[Off-topic] yogasurya:
google yeah

of course google that more 'smart'

not just a prestigious product but also a powerfull ones
[Off-topic] KingNothingUA:
google ftw!
[Off-topic] jokerzs:
Google top!!!!
[Off-topic] cobraboy85:
are you STILL posing?!