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[General Topics] daneurysm:
I'm well familiar with that. In development usually telling somebody to reflash and do a full wipe (that they didn't know to or didn't want to do) solves it.

This is different. He is far from the only one experiencing crappy signal strength. I do and it has been critical. I know 2 other people with E3Ds IRL...1 has no problems the other has the same issues as me. A bunch of people on this board mention it all the time. Hell, I posted about how using the leaked Eng radio got my better signal and higher data speeds and my inbox got raped asking where to find it.

It is not an isolated incident. It is not affecting the majority of owners but it has certainly affected a good many. Hell, I'm on my 3rd E3D with crappy signal...and I went through every one they had in the store to find the one with the best signal strength. They all didn't have the same signal strength and there is a towar practically across the street.

Sour grapes? Sure, but it's for a legitimate reason. If I just wanted to jump ship to the SGS2 I wouldn't need a reason beyond "I want that phone"....and if I wanted that phone I would just get it and keep the 3D. I have no desire to keep a phone that is a great PDA and media player but a terrible phone.

...what bothers me most is the implied assertion that somehow it isn't a problem because only one (or very few) of us are having the problem and we must be doing something wrong.

The signal was fine on E4G/old phone, we got an E3D, our signal now sucks and most of us have friends (or other phones) on Sprint and have verified that other phones get a bigger signal reading. I did it with my old E4G, reliably, I did it again yesterday with a friends E4GS. Side by side.

The phone you chose (and seem to evangelize for) is, in fact, not perfect and it is especially imperfect to some.
[General Topics] Success100:
well then consider yourself in the minority. I know techs that work at the sprint store (im an ex employee), that recommended me NOT get this phone because of the issues and signal. Of course I went against their judgement and bought it anyway. Im not the only one with signal issues, or call quality issues, or power issues. these are facts, not opinions. I didnt say every single person has these issues, i just know that a TON of us do.

In my book, I know the 3D is is a far superior device. Am i saying that the galaxy is a better device? heck no. Specs are specs. Does it provide a smoother experience the the 3D? Hell yes it does. We can chase eachother around the bush til our feet fall off. I guarantee you, lets take the 3d out of the equation, and toss in a iPhone and a HTC Sensation. Then hand it to two average smartphone users. Give them a few minutes to play with them, ask them which one they thought was better. I GUARANTEE you 8 out of 10 will say the iPhone. Why? Because it offers a MUCH smoother experience.

Does that make it a better phone? No. Does fluidity have a HUGE impact on user experience? YES.

im done with it. Yeah I said it...The galaxy rivals a 1.2ghz 1Gig of Ram in performance. Sure the Evo has the edge, its newer tech, but I was expecting MUCH more than what the 3d provides, being spoiled by last gen hardware.

Which is why IM switching. I know the s2 is gonna blow this thing out of the water. Numbers dont lie. Theyve sold millions of these things. Sure the 3d does some of the things its supposed to do well, but fails miserably in other areas. There are no blaring bad things about the s2. Check the expert reviews, and user reviews, and youtube videos etc.. The 3D may be for some, but I expect a phone to function as a PHONE before anything. But its not for me. I still have mad love for HTC, but this thing is a failure in my eyes. Hopefully the s2 wont be the same, and if it is, ill pitch it too
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
If I were in the minority the 3d development forum would be empty... Take it a step further, if the device was what you guys are trying to make it out to be there wouldn't be a 3D forum at all. Have you ever been to the intercept forum at XDA? No. To read your posts that device would be better than the 3D.

As for your pitching the GSII.... Well let's just say in my opinion you seem like the type that most definitely will find something to complain about in that forum too.
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
The implications aren't that you're doing anything wrong. In my opinion you're just confused as to where to direct your frustration concerning whatever issues you may be having. Isolated... Definitely. Legitimate? Sure. Reason to come on here and attack the device in general. Nope.

My opinion.
[General Topics] daneurysm:
I can't answer on Success100's behalf but I certainly would get lumped into that same group... I wouldn't complain about anything with this phone if I had a decent signal. Period. That one gigantic bright red blinking screaming flaw really helps draw out other criticisms. My only other criticism would be about the aspect ratio, but that's a battle I won't win on any phone in the future--a moot point.

It's hard not to get frustrated with a device that doesn't function well at it's primary purpose...it's even harder to not start to notice all of the other less-than-perfect elements it also contains.

"Sure, she might be a little crazy but at least she isn't fat." ....well she is crazy, fat and unemployed.

I had a few equivalent nit-picks about my E4G that I never even said out loud since they seemed so minor if the face of all of that awesome. Never really thought about them much. I only wish I could say the same.

So long as the SGS2 has gets a good signal I'll figure out a way to deal with any other flaw, as will the community. Understandably nobody here has come up with a work around for the signal strength issues....and some people treat us like we are delusional complainers for wanting to be able to receive a phone call on the damned thing.
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
By the way, I don't "evangelize" for any device. I am the GadgetMonger! :p

I stated right up front I will be owning a GSII. From what I've seen of the Infuse I think the GSII should be a sweet device. And owning sweet devices is what I'm all about! :D
[General Topics] ultra78721:
That's exactly why I am not buying a Samsung ever again....I'm glad I ditched the epic.

The Samsung s2 looks nice in hardware in all but the updates are lame...maybe they will change ..but I'm not gonna chance it like I did with the epic.

Ulllllllllllltttrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!
[General Topics] daneurysm:
I wouldn't say I'm attacking the device. I still have it for the time being and I have enjoyed it. I spent nearly 2 months on here with everyone else anticipating it.

I believe I have done enough testing to verify to myself--and reasonable person--beyond a shadow of a doubt that the HTC Evo 3D is in fact the source of my frustrations. Different phones have been tested, activated, located in the same position. Signal levels checked. For a while I was convinced that Sprints roaming agreements must have changed drastically...not the case at all. Hell, my LG Lotus has a FANTASTIC signal and still pulls in 1.5mbps tethered.

Isolated? Well if multiple accounts in multiple regions from multiple batches of the same device seem like isolated incidents to you I've got some bad news ...

So far as the NS4G and Epic having a smoother UI experience? I'll stand behind that whole heartedly. I saw it for myself. Not everyone is capable of seeing FPS difference far past 30, so, there is a good chance that this fluidity is lost on you completely.
[General Topics] Success100:
Awesome. U win. If u say so buddy. And FYI, the 3d will be the first phone I'm pitching. I loved the tp2, diamond, hero, galaxy s, EVO. So you saying "I seem like the type that will find something wrong" is redundant. I wouldn't have to find something wrong if the damn thing did its job as a PHONE.

U can keep trying to argue with me but your one person I won't be replying to. Because "you seem like the type that...". Wait Nevermind. Back to the discussion

sent from my DAMN 3D!!!
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
Don't get me wrong. I'm sorry you're having the troubles you're having. I can't really answer to them any more than I have. I know it doesn't mean much to hear it's not the device in general. But I can honestly state this. The device is the best I've used so far. And there aren't many I haven't used if not owned.

As for signal strength... Damn. Check the Sprint coverage map. If anyone should be having coverage issues, it should be me....
[General Topics] daneurysm:
I can drink to that... ;)
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
And a damn fine day to you as well! :D
[General Topics] eman3316@optonline.net:
Damn, glad that one is over! lol
[General Topics] Saleenfiend:
After being a devout HTC fan with a few phones prior to owning the Hero & EVO4G, I bought the 3D and I have been completely let down. I loved the 4G but they made too many things different about the 3D and I'm just not happy with the phone. I think it is time to try something new. Maybe I just need an Epic Touch..

Supra RCMix Shooter
[General Topics] cajones42:
imo the people on here make up a very small % of the phone world. Stats have showed that more people are going to complain online instead of writing how much they like their products. this being said the world doesnt agree that stock android is the best or even close to being the favorite UI. Every major company spends millions on R&D just to cover up stock android. Speed and battery life arent as good as functionality. Sure, htc could get bettery battery life without always telling me where i am and whats the weather outside, and certainly leaving out the weather full screen animations but this is why i have my phone. HTC simply chooses not to do this because marketing sales, not top technology. Apple made millions by making a phone that didnt lag. It wasnt the great technology that made it great, it was Apple holding back on MULTI-TASKING so the iphone would run on app at a time. Later selling that old technology back to the ignorent public who thinks apple was the first company to multitask. its cool us evo owners get so much attention from all the other phone users. it shows that HTC is on top of their game. Just think about it, every company is always one upping HTC. Where would they get new ideas from if htc just stopped everything?
[General Topics] eman3316@optonline.net:
Walmart has the Galaxy S2 for $100 if you are adding a new line to your account. I think $150 if you are upgrading. Plus they do not charge tax.....Just ordered mine......

For people who are unable to cancel their line, you can sell your 3D for $300 and pay the ETF and add a new line and still break even!

http://www8-walmart.letstalk.com/product/product.htm?prId=39607&corpId=522
[General Topics] xHausx:
Why do you keep bumping this thread? Doesn't the epic touch 4g have it's own section already?
[General Topics] eman3316@optonline.net:
No. Plus there are a lot of 3D owners who have posted in this thread that are interested in getting an SGS2.
[General Topics] daneurysm:
Shockingly no. I just checked figuring after such a definitive announcement there would be. We had this forum like, what, a month and half before release?

I understand that either on purpose or by accident/coincidence this place is very HTC centric, but, dayum...a week out and still nothing. The Galaxys2 general forum is a confusing disaster as it is, I just hope we don't get lumped in there. Think of all the bricks...
[General Topics] boe:
I had to call Sprint yesterday for 2 of my clients. The reps were VERY familiar with the issues with reception on the EVO 3D. They had already received an airport for the house but couldn't get one for the office. Sprint said while the 3D reception is a known issue, they are not giving out more airaves - after getting transferred many times and all seemed familiar with the recepition on the EVO 3D issues. One rep was determined to help me but her supervisor said no way.

I think now that Sprint has tightened their policy on the 3D a lot of people might want to make sure to get a phone that works as a phone which would probably decrease interest in the 3D but increase it for the Epic Touch.
[General Topics] daneurysm:
It certainly worked out that way for me.
[General Topics] swaze:
Highly doubtful since there is no issue with the 3d as a phone. Sorry a small percentage of you got duds but its not an issue. The 3d is still as popular in my area as it has been. Cm7 is the new talk goin on now.
[General Topics] boe:
I don't have statistics on percentages do you? I've traded in my phone 3 times - got one direct from Sprint, one in a store in Los Angeles and one in a store in Tucson - about a week apart for each and they all have the issue. So based on MY personal experience with the phone that is a 100% statitstical failure rate. As far it not being an issue if .5% of line of cars has an issue with brakes, they recall the entire line and repair them. All HTC has to do is fix the issue and they wouldn't have as many of us upset about this "phone".
[General Topics] swaze:
If you say so. All I know is the few people with issues seems to make it seem like all phones have issues which is so far from the truth.
[General Topics] pukemon:
I would lean towards small percentage having issue and it getting blown up, but it does seem like this is a bigger issue than a small percentage due to people returning the phone and keep havong issue. Or it could be the area these people live in.

I voided my warranty.
[General Topics] bricky23:
How do you know that the epic touch will have better reception? It isn't out yet, and samsung isn't known for their great radios.
[General Topics] boe:
I don't know - that is why I said in a previous post I'll wait to see if it IS better for reception. I do have another HTC phone on Sprint and I do know although it is 4 years old it DOES have better reception. Based on my experience with the EVO 3D reception issues I can't imagine it will be worse but I'll wait to see before I shell out a wad o'cash. I screwed up and bought the 3D. Fool me once Sprint, shame on me - fool me twice and I'd have to be really gullible.
[General Topics] cobraboy85:
pretty obvious.

i dont know how anybody can look at the situation and determine the phone being the problem. :rolleyes:

a person complains of getting bad reception, takes phone back, still getting bad reception, repeats a millions times over.

it's obviously not the phone. that is utterly retarded to say ALL the phones have an issue not getting coverage. i haven't dropped a call unless i am at work... where i get TERRIBLE coverage. and even then, only once or twice.

i come home, get full coverage, full 4g. the other two evos in my house get the same reception.

but yeah, he is right, all of the phones suffer from a massive reception issue. lol

srsly.
[General Topics] mattykinsx:
Definitely curious if the radio issue that people talk about still exists on the Epic Touch.

HTC made the phone... not Sprint.
[General Topics] cobraboy85:
you ever heard of the 30 day return policy they have? lol

fool you once, shame on you. hahaha. not them.
[General Topics] boe:
That is correct - they also made my past 4 Sprint branded phones that all worked great - the EVO 3D is the only one with the issue (I had the Diamond breifly but that had horrible reception as well and so I returned it within 30 days). Sprint spends 6 months to a year "testing" the phones but seems to miss issues with BT, phone reception etc. I'm not exactly sure what their test is - how reliably it sits in a desk drawer (turned off) is my guess.
[General Topics] Overstew:
The Moment was garbage, but Epic was a great phone.
[General Topics] boe:
Yes - I was out of the country - not LOL.
[General Topics] Success100:
In reply to both. For people that got good functioning 3d's then were happy for them. A few people having issues?? Try half the forum has reception issues. Think those few people are the minority? No, I had two technicians AND the sales rep at the sprint store I used to work at try to talk me out of buying the 3d for reception and power button issues. Should have listened to them.

Also it was stated that the people with signal issues stay in poor signal areas. In my case, yes, my apartment is tough when it comes to reception. What I CAN tell you is my OG Evo worked fine here. The 3d won't work for ****. Had it replaced twice, and same thing. Even in areas where I do have signal, I get random voicemails even though phone never rang, and people asking me why I'm not answering the phone...even though it never rang.

True, but IMO, can't be no worse than the 3d. Even if it's only a hair better, then it's worth it to me.
[General Topics] mattykinsx:
With all due respect this is why I don't recommend upgrading at release.

I bought the palm pre on release and the damned thing was dead out of the box.

I feel its always best to wait a few months to see what people are saying.

I didn't jump on the Evo. (Bought it four months after) and I still haven't moved to the next generation.

I think far too many see a shiny new product and leap before they look.

Also, with the 30 day money back guarantee ...how can you claim the fault is anyone HTC/SPRINT/GOD but your own?
[General Topics] swaze:
Sorry to bust your bubble but even if half the forum (which is far from accurate) had reception issues, that's still a tiny percentage of the total 3d owners. Don't know why people don't understand that part.
[General Topics] CrippleB:
Sitting dockside in Juneau AK. reception on 3d is fantastic!
[General Topics] Overstew:
When I had the 3d, my reception was okay. I fell in love with the 4g modem. Lol
[General Topics] eman3316@optonline.net:
Except you have no idea how peoples reception is that are not on the forums so I do not know why people do not understand that.

Obviously we can only base it on people that post about it here. My brother-in-law who has no idea about these forums but bought the phone when it came out because I told him to is regretting it because his reception is far worse then his EVO 4G. So based on that percentage that would be 100% of people I know who are not are the forum who have reception issues.
[General Topics] GadgetMonger:
If you're wanting to use the forums as an indicator, you need to check out all the sections. You'll find a very few threads or posts on this issue. This is an isolated issue and is service related. Nothing to do with the device itself.
[General Topics] boe:
How do you define service related? I have 2 sprint phones - one gets 3 to 4 bars and NEVER drops a call in the exact same spot my EVO 3D drops calls consitently. Is there only enough service bandwidth to handle one of the 2 phones and it just happens to always fail connecting to the EVO 3D? Oh wait, other people in my same spot also can make calls on their Sprint and Verizon phones. You'd think the 3D would roam to Verizon when all that Sprint signal was used up even though my other HTC Sprint phone never has a problem connecting to Sprint. I know other people with the 3D - we all must be in service related areas where Sprint signal just isn't strong enough even though their previous Sprint phones never dropped calls before.

No wait - don't tell me - you are going to inform me I got one of the only defective 3D phones (oh and the other 2 that I returned that had the same issue - oh and the rep who gave me some airaves when I called to say my 3D was dropping calls - they must have heard about my other 2 3Ds that I returned because they seemed to know all about the 3D issue with dropping calls - they really must keep those Sprint employees informed when my 2 returned 3Ds became a memor that all Sprint reps must have read up on so that they could offer me an airave just in case I called even though I'm in a Sprint area defined as good to excellent for signal). They even decided to give other people I know with 3Ds airaves because of the 2 EVO 3D's I returned based on signal issues - as soon as they mentioned they had 3Ds.

I'll bet you I can find many many many thread with many posts on this exact topic - not only in this forum but also on PPCgeeks, HTC's website, android central. I bet I can also find this issue mentioned in BGR and engadget - oh but I must be one of the only people with this issue - why would I bother to spend 2 whole minutes doing a quick search when I can make blanket statements with zero research.
[General Topics] CrippleB:
I am sitting inside a cruise ship with 2 bars and posting this. Some people just got bad phones some like me have great service. Also running xron with latest prl. I will see service in Skagway and Ketchikan in a few days.
[General Topics] DJ1994:
What most people are saying is that those of us that have perfectly fine reception usually don't post. It's that whole idea if you notice something once it will appear more than any alternative because it catches your attention. It's the same idea here. My signal is great except in one room and that's because my phone changes towers to one that is miles and miles away.

boom!! from my shooter
[General Topics] mattykinsx:
Absolute truth.

Think about it.

How many times do you see a thread titled: "everything's alright"

Doesn't happen.

People are 1000x more likely to complain than praise.
[General Topics] Overstew:
Exactly. When you turn your laptop/computer on and browse the web...at the end of the day, do you call Bill Gates and tell him thanks that the computer works? Nope. He only gets calls if there's something wrong. Poor guy.
[General Topics] cobraboy85:
I remember this one time I was just railin this chick from behind (I was a little intoxicated at the time) and in my furiously drunken sloppy thrusts, it came out and I poked her right between her cooter and poop chute. I think I actually heard my boner break in half. Its the type of pain that makes a grown man cry, gents.

sent from 3VO
[General Topics] tim.tahtinen:
.. what?

I'm not going to disagree with you.. I just wonder what that has to do with the topic at hand.
[General Topics] jlear3:
Is it just me or is this type of "Humor" really degrading and making society look like complete idiots?
[General Topics] daneurysm:
isolated to a few hundred or few thousand people perhaps...

...very few threads? There have been more threads about this than there have been about Cm7...

...and it has nothing to do with YOUR device. It has everything to do with the 3 HTC Evo 3D's that *I* have had, not to mention all of the other ones I unboxed and tested before picking this one which had the best but still regrettably poor signal strength.

We're happy your phone isn't a dud. We're unhappy that our phones are duds. Whether this is statistically significant enough for HTC and/or Sprint to say something about this out loud is one thing but, please, for the love of **** if your HTC Evo 3D gets good reception shut the **** up about OUR HTC Evo 3D's that DO NOT. (I'm not just saying this to you buddy)

We bought these phones and were just as excited as all of you were to get them. We are no idiots. We are not holding them wrong. We know how to read the signal indicator. We know when we do not receive and drop calls. It is absolutely heart breaking to have to give this phone up. But please do not pretend that there is not an issue. It is an insult and it is infuriating. Something is definitely wrong with a *LOT* of these phones as evidenced by the boxes and boxes of them I opened looking for one with good signal...as evidenced by the many people on the forums who have talked about it since release day....threads upon threads upon threads...as evidenced by the amount of people IN THIS VERY THREAD (about leaving for another phone) who are leaving, all of us seem to be leaving primarily because of that reason.

You like your phone. That's cool. But don't get butthurt because some of us do not. We're not ****-talking your mama, we're describing actual problems that actual people have with an electronic device. There is no need to defend a ****ing brand name electronics manufacturer.

EDIT: (GadgetMonger, I didn't mean to be so confrontation and that isn't directed at you...you seem to be good people....your quote just got me going)