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[About XDA developers] Frosty666:
I support the 10 thanks idea whole heartedly. I earned all of my 37-ish thanks by helping out people in the q&a and general sections, the way it should be done.

For this idea to work however, people will need to learn when and how to use the thanks button properly. Otherwise, as stated above, we will get heaps of "why wasn't I thanked..." posts around.

Sent from my x10, rocking Wolf's 2.3.3 + DooMKernel, overclocked to 1.2 GHz...
[About XDA developers] mprou:
+1

Rep is as well subjective as the thanks and when it comes for someone to subjectively "judge" someone throught a rep system then...boy oh boy you're going down hard.

It's better not to get the thanks you really deserve than to be rep raped by every iggnorant prick that you told him to go look the faqs

Few will thank you but everyone will bury you

That could work in this practical scenario: As some members said above, a new member comes in because he find out how to root D3. In this case he would had 0 posts/0 thanks and can not do anything.

Then he could pm a mod/admin with what he wants to do and the mod grants him privilleges.

This doesn't add any actual workload on admins because not everyday we have new devs coming in to do their magic. And by devs I don't mean themed rom copycats.

Thanks counts plus evaluating special cases I think it might do the trick.

If this site is trully for the developers as it claims, then imho this is the way it should really work.
[About XDA developers] magier6:
I thin the same
[About XDA developers] bluenote73:
How about, grow up, show some tolerance, and lead by example.

You aren't going to stop people from being idiots whatever technical solution

you implement.
[About XDA developers] dkb218:
XDA already has this feature in all thread at all times. They call it "The Moderator"! The guy/gals job it is to police the thread they moderate. Get the moderator to moderate, replace the moderator or get the moderator some help. Hey make a Jr. Moderators title! Kinda like the Jr. G-Men of the 1930's. Spy on your fellow posters!

There should be a moderator just for the new folk. If a question was answered in a thread, the moderator deletes the post, resets the post count and links the nube to the post with the answer, bans the nube for life or simply tells him to read / search the thread. [wait, isn't that part of the moderators job?]

[A Thanks to bluenote73 for pointing out the obvious - This would turn XDA to some mob war type forum. gogo73@kn.com - add me!]

Unworthy? Wow even those poor dumb bastards can afford a smart phone now! What shalls we's do massa? What shalls we's dos'?

Rubbish? I scream poppycock! Worthy of speaking? Must be chosen? Wow. Glad you're not in charge of anything around here.

I have a better idea... If you have less than 1 years time on XDA, you cannot post silly ass threads like this. You have to be here at least a year before you can come in and tell the owners of XDA how they are ****ing up your life by allowing all these ****ing nube's to post these unworthy rants.

With the exception of a few, every single member was a nube at one time. Every single member asked a dumb question at one time. It was because of those "unworthy" questions that XDA is the absolute number one Windows Mobile / Android forum in the world. Todays nube will be tomorrows hot dev. It happens all the time - by asking unworthy questions.
[About XDA developers] MeInGatineau:
I totally agree. People will be people! They will always try to find way to bypass rules and find a system.

It`s try some people are real noob and will post question before reading all the thread that probably contains the answer. That`s why we have experienced users and forum admin to redirect them in the proper thread.
[About XDA developers] mr.sharktooth:
Sent from my GT-I9100
[About XDA developers] mr.sharktooth:
+100 10chars
[About XDA developers] wild1z:
It does happen but it's so few and far between. Heck a few of the developers here are 15 and I think they are more mature than some of the old men. That's a fact! Good ideas though, good luck. :)
[About XDA developers] mprou:
@dkb218

Well I got news for you. This is called an "opinion" I have the right to say it explaining the reasons I support it. Others gonna like it others not. This is what this subforum is all about. If you think I'm not entitled to have one then I'm glad you're not in charge around here.

Until these noobs become uber hackers I believe it's better to keep them out of the dev sections if they are to ask "is dis kernal makez my batt last 4 a month???????????????"
[About XDA developers] SilmarilApps:
Yups, I strongly agree with you. Thanks GAP can be 60 seconds!
[About XDA developers] bluenote73:
Maybe if xda begins creating standards for what and who can post, it will not turn out the way you hope. You might find yourself on the other side of the line. That would be an unfortunate oops! wouldn't it.
[About XDA developers] mprou:
Am I a dev? No.

Do I post at dev sections? Rarely

Why don't I post at dev sections? Because I don't have something usefull to contribute or ask at development forums. It's already posted there for me if I do a quick search

And this is why I got 20+ thanks and not 200. I help newbies as much as I can at general sections. Most of them don't thank me but I don't mind. I only go at dev sections to read and download stuff.

Does that make me "unworthy" to post at dev sections? Possible yes.

So...it wont be unfortunate for me to be at the other side. It will be the right thing.

Do others think the same? From your last post, I think not. Certainly not you.
[About XDA developers] Phateless:
I am completely in favor of this idea, along with a dislike button.

Along these lines, why not go all the way for the Rep system?
[About XDA developers] abn75:
Well since people seem so hot to keep new members out of certain areas, why not just have a pay to play philosophy. You want to post, pay a fee.

That idea makes as much sense as the rest of them. And incase your really dense, that idea is very sarcastic.

Xda is no longer a "developers" web site. It is a open membership site. So yes that means you get the good with the bad. Deal with it. Instead of looking for ways to cut people out, help them. After all, I'm sure no one here knew everything and never made a mistake, especially when they first got here. You want xda to be better, fine, help the so called noobs to be better members
[About XDA developers] mprou:
Oh please! cutting people out...war between members...jesus dont be so melodramatic.

Since xda already has a limitation (10 post count) for the dev forums, I guess that means they somehow care about the "quality" of what it will be posted in there. All I'm saying is to do it a bit more strict.

@abn75 You say xda is not anymore "for the developers" site. Ok I'm with you in this. So in that case lets completely remove the 10 post count. What's needed for then?

I'm just saying, if we should actually have a rule like this (which means it is needed), it should be improved for better results.
[About XDA developers] manudevil:
So, what could we do? I'm not a dev, but I could become one day (I'm learning). I'm a power user, and I want to contribute, give my experience to some threads... but I cannot post in these. I understand the problem, but...

What is the best solution ?

Anyway, thank you, this is a grat community. I just want to be a part of it, one day, maybe...
[About XDA developers] mprou:
You can be a part of it in 5 minutes. head to the off topic forums post your 10 posts and you're a dev:p

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that in a mean way at all. Just trying to make a point.
[About XDA developers] sonicaholic:
I actualy like the idea of needing a specified post count I have been a member for over a year now my post count is low as I dont need to post much as reading and the search bar is an awsome and invaluble resorse most ppl tend to overlook.
[About XDA developers] ugosalines:
But sometimes you need to ask. ;-)
[About XDA developers] stuffinthesky:
Many times I have seen space taken by someone just racking up for the ten post limit. Also, it is annoying to look thru a dev forum and see repeated questions already answered in post number one.
[About XDA developers] mprou:
Ofc there are times you need to ask about some things but first make sure you do a little search for them. You might be suprised;)

Let's face it people...asking something that has been already asked and answered 15 times in the same thread or it is already a sticky or in the thread's faqs at 1st post (as the member above this post said)...well it's utterly stupid.

Common questions for someone with no or basic experience are already answered at 100% capacity for every single matter on every single forum.
[About XDA developers] mobilecarlos:
Hmm ever since I have got my XDA account, I use more of the search tool and to look for my answers or go to Google. When I can't find absolutely no answer I just ask. I don't have more then 10 post but I don't mind since I like to learn and figure things out by myself. I really hate to ask.
[About XDA developers] spacks:
The "10 posts count" is ok.

The "number of thanks" is ok.

There is no permanent solution to this problem.

All our moderators can do to reduce the mess is to fully supervise/moderate what is posted on this forum.

If the rule is changed from "10 posts count" to the "number of thanks", the same people who misused the former will likewise do same with the latter. Friends will thank friends over a million times for each "Hello dear, How are you?" post.

And we forum members can help the moderators in the task of keeping this forum organised by being disciplined. Nothing more. It all depends on all of us.
[About XDA developers] maarrrrr:
Agreed! First post
[About XDA developers] fanoffree:
I just would like to say that I have been on this website since January 2009 and have never posted cause i dont feel that I had anything to contribute that was worth while. Does that mean that I should be punished because I know how to use the forum and find the information I need. I really think that the amount of time I have been here says alot. I think that an amount of time as a memeber is a better way to restrict posting versus a "thanks" or post count. You cant fake a memeber since time.

Just my two cents on the matter.

fanoffree
[About XDA developers] mprou:
It's not punishment. Just a mere limitation which can be lifted like 10 post count. You said it yourself. You know how to search things around here. If you don't have something to contribute at dev sections then where's the difference?

Time is inrelevant. Others could be new members few weeks or months old and be very skillful and active. Someone can be a few years member here and casually logging in to read a thread or 2.
[About XDA developers] TheATHEiST:
There is a simple solution to this problem

A 50-100 post rule and a set amount of days/weeks before been account upgraded.

Even if a user spams its going to be easily noticeable and a mod will be able to delete post history before user is allowed in dev section.

A n00b simply has no business posting in a dev section for any reason whatsoever. If they have a question is 99.9% its already been answered if not you can ask in Q&A section.

If you are a dev and want to post something you can contact a mod or even join teh dev program.
[About XDA developers] stuffinthesky:
There have been some fine points in here. It would be a shame to prevent a skilled developer from posting a new thread in the dev section due to "not enough posts".
[About XDA developers] compuguy1088:
That could be easily solved by preventing a subsequent account to be made by adding a lockout time based on ip address (an hour?).
[About XDA developers] Nigeldg:
Agreed, but only days/weeks? I would say around 2 months at least.
[About XDA developers] MaximKat:
Right, because everyone who doesn't have 2000 posts is a noob.
[About XDA developers] Nigeldg:
Who said that someone has to have 2000 posts not to be a noob? Everyone who has nothing to actually contribute in dev forums knows it, and, as TheATHEiST says, has no business posting there. I would never start a thread in the Dev forums because I cannot give anything useful there. It's simple logic.
[About XDA developers] Archer:
Personally, I don't think there is a 100% foolproof answer to the problem, so I tend to not generally get involved in these discussions (as important as they obviously are). However, I do think that you shouldn't judge someone by their post count. As it is with anything, there is never just black and white, so this example will have an exact opposite, but what about the people that have been lurking and reading and using information to increase their own knowledge? It's very common to hear of people that have been members for at least a year, but never had a single post. That doesn't mean their first post will be "How do I charge my phone? bump!" I was a member here for quite a while before my first post, and it was an answer to someone having a problem. My early post history has disappeared into the ether now, but I'm pretty sure that I gave a fair bit of advice before I ever asked anything.

Like I said, there is no black and white, so while my points are true and relevant to a lot of members, so are yours. That doesn't mean that either of us is more correct than the other, but that there is no blanket way to deal with people.

As in anything that involves computers, leave the decisions to humans. They're the only ones that can make them.
[About XDA developers] Nigeldg:
That's a fair point. I agree that everything which involves decisions such as this should be left to humans, and that would be brilliant if that were possible. If only XDA wasn't such a big site :p
[About XDA developers] bimmernut318:
Everyone here was a noob at one point, I have modded forums and there were tons of spammers and useless posters, I had to mod harder! Needless to say it wasnt any fun but I had to put up with it. I am here and new so I will just follow the rules.
[About XDA developers] kidrythm:
still at it eh? ffs become a legit mod, or stfu. please.
[About XDA developers] kidrythm:
teh athiest will not approve of this intelligent response...athiests are usually a bit stubborn as it is...lol
[About XDA developers] BinaryXeroMedia:
good idea

i think this is an amazing idea and should be carried out. i come from the x10 forums and there was one chap who posted ten time in a row just to get into the dev threads. silly things like

just for 10 post rule

sorry coming through

was that me

kick me if you want

nearly there

so on and so on but i reported that straight away and he was banned and the thread was cleared from all his posts.

i agree the thanks count should be brought in but then there is one little problem with that. it could cause a problem with there not being enough testers to give feedback on roms meaning development would be slower. if this is planned out right i think it could work but do it wrong. develoment is going to slow down due to not enough feedback for testeers to give to resolve the problem
[About XDA developers] bverilo:
I came here looking for answers on the '10 posts' rule. I wanted to answer a question raised in a development thread but I couldn't even though I already have more than 10 posts. Admittedly I made most of them just today, well, to be able to answer that question in the dev thread! But sadly, I still am not able to reply there even after I had more than 10. But those posts aren't spam, I deliberately looked for threads where I could contribute. I've been a lurker in XDA for quite a while and have learned lots and I now know quite a bit about my phone and stuff.

Now regarding the topic, I think you couldn't really control forums as much as you'd want to, there will always be people who would find a way to work around the rules to their advantage. But then there are also people who just want to say something and be part of the discussion, but are restricted due to some limitations. I'd say the '10 post rule' is good enough. People could always report those that abuse and have them banned or whatever.

offtopic again: Maybe somebody here could help, I've already submitted a 'ticket' to ask about my situation(can't post in dev even though i have more than 10 posts already). Thanks! :)
[About XDA developers] knipp21:
The part in the middle is the only reason I do not agree.

I've made some poor posts. But never noob ones. It's always been in the right section and many have been helpful. But the Eris section we rarely used the thanks button. So I may be down 50-100 from "ones I deserve" and yet I don't care. Because I know what I've posted and what other have gotten from it.

I agree its a step in the right direction. But the thanks button must be used correctly
[About XDA developers] Phateless:
It evens out in the grander scheme. We all get thanks we don't deserve and miss out on thanks we do. I think adding the thanks button to the app will be a huge help.

I try to answer questions and I get thanked when I get thanked. It all evens out in the long run...
[About XDA developers] knipp21:
Yes but I've noticed that the thanks in the app is a separate thanks than on the web page. I have like 2 thanks in app and 55 on the site.

Someone else on this thread had 18 in app and 1 on web page.

To bad they can't let them be the same and not separate numbers.
[About XDA developers] AllGamer:
I really like this idea
[About XDA developers] Phateless:
Weird..... so that's why my thanks number looks so high from the app, lol.
[About XDA developers] knipp21:
Yea now where is my thanks for that info :-) jk lol
[About XDA developers] mattykinsx:
I like the ideal setting for this idea, but it's not practical.

This would just cause the thanks system to become more of a mockery than it already is.

There are plenty of members that have over 100+ "thanks" that, if you search their thanks, you will find they received them from the same few members while they posted stupid pictures or non-relevant posts/flame posts.
[About XDA developers] Nigeldg:
Yeah, if you look at my thanked posts (not hard seeing as its only 11 :P EDIT: Ohhhhh, up to 12. I'm a beast) then you can see that some of them are BS, but then there are other posts that I have made which blatantly deserved thanks which didn't get any.

I think overall the system balances itself out, and you receive around the right amount of thanks in the end.
[About XDA developers] Phateless:
You can only see it in the app. :p
[About XDA developers] mattykinsx:
Now you're at 13!

I'm really not sure it balances out. It just depends.

There are plenty of people that don't thank even if you help them 15 times in the same thread with different issues.

It's really hard to say if this idea would work. I suppose that there is the other side of it...

You, generally, can't be a 'noob' and get 10 thanks.

You have to learn and be helpful....[or flame and post dumb pictures and get the right people's attention]

Maybe if the rules of the thanks system we're 'toughened up', then I could see this being a good idea.
[About XDA developers] knipp21:
I know I'm one that rarely uses it, but I try to more recently.

I've helped people over the phone before and only gotten verbal thanks. Do I get more xda thanks for that? :-) lol
[About XDA developers] Nanzy:
I also dislike the 10 posts minimum. I have installed plenty of roms and consider myself decently experienced at this stuff.

Since i get my roms from these forums, i find myself often in a situation where i would love to give feedback, yet i can't do that because of that gay 10 posts minimum :-(

Which is btw the only reason that i am even posting this. 2 more to go *sigh*

Pls pardon me for being slightly off-topic...
[About XDA developers] Phateless:
That's actually a pretty good idea.
[About XDA developers] MikeChannon:
There is never an excuse to post senseless stuff in order to get to ten posts. If you are able to contribute in development threads you are capable of helping others first. If you only have questions to ask then you should not be asking them in development anyway.

By definition, to post in development forums you need to be capable of developer level activity and thinking. If you are, and you have not yet reached ten posts, then you can answer some User questions in Q&A and General Forums.
[About XDA developers] Fallen Spartan:
Whether you feel hard done by or not, please do not discuss disputes currently in action in the open forum. I have deleted a few posts for this very reason.

Been reading this thread, some interesting points and ideas folks. Keep it up ;)
[About XDA developers] thatguych4rlie:
I've been an active reader of XDA news and forums for the past few years. Only now have I signed up so I can contribute my skill set towards the development of ICS for my phone. Yet, I can't help but feel frustrated because I have to raise my post count first.

Raising post count involves going to find some off-topic forum that I've never even read before and going out of my way to participate. I'd rather take an "are you ready to be part of our community" multiple choice test and talk to someone on an IRC channel to gain instant access than repeatedly posting, reposting, and failing due to a five minute time barrier.

Just a little frustrating. I'm sure it'll be worth it though in a day or so. (:
[About XDA developers] mgafan:
Meh, I'm trying to get 10 posts so I can report a bug in a ROM I'm using. Its a pain for me, go figure. I mean, the 10 post limit is good in the case of preventing spammers but can't there be a rep thing going on where you post something stupid in a section and after a certain amount of -rep you get temp banned/perma banned from that section?
[About XDA developers] yzfr1kong:
in addition to the rep system, probably could use an infraction system against spammers/abusers.
[About XDA developers] pulser_g2:
We have one already :cool:
[About XDA developers] Neo:
Now I was just wondering... If such implement was made to the system where users had to attain 10 thanks instead of 10 posts, wouldn't that force those who have already been posting in developer forums that have met their 10 post quota a long time ago but currently to date have not contributed enough to having received "10 thanks" to no longer be able to post in those forums?
[About XDA developers] NotATreoFan:
Nope. Everyone would be grandfathered in.