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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Kf2m,

I am not comparing 2 different ROMs. I had to use a Froyo ROM to charge with sbc since none are available.

I have been running Synergy since it came out. I had tried everything to get more bettery life and all I could do was shut off every feature that makes an EVO an EVO. So that is why. Most life I ever got with Synergy on 3500 battery was 20 hours. I was convinced that I was only getting a 70% charge on my Seidio and this test proves it. I have been off charge now for 29 hours and at 35% right now.

I fully charged my battery using froyo sbc then flashed Synergy. I am doubling life wight now. Hence the Devs that think there is no difference in charges, can kiss my a$$!. Plain and simple I haved exposed their myth.

If I pay $70 for a 3500 battery, I want to use 100% of the battery, not 70%.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kf2m:
Ok, I see what you did...

I think that the reason the Dev's are loath to utilize SBC is because a few people toasted their battery. Personally I think the people who had that issue had something else going on with their phone. The only time my phone ever got that hot was because I flashed a ROM using Clockwork, and it was a bad wipe/load. Phone ran fine except that the CPU was locked full on, and was placing a heavy load on the battery. Either that or they were using cheap knockoff batteries which their quality control is suspect (the toasted laptops I ever saw where using knockoff batteries). Pay $30 for a $200 laptop battery and you are rolling the dice with the odds certainly not being in your favor.

Another point I would like to bring out is that laptops use LiON batteries. You don't see them getting a 10% drop when the charger is removed. But also the laptop makers say not to leave your laptop charging for extended periods of time.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
This discussion again. :rolleyes:

You're correct.

SBC only addresses the '10% drop' when on the charger.

It's important to make sure that your battery is calibrated.

This method is also useful in increasing battery performance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Dude this is a thread about someone asking to create SBC kernel not on how to calibrate ur battery

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
And...?

Making sure your battery is calibrated will give you better battery life than some mod that gives you the top 10% of a charge.

This thread went as far as discussing SBC vs Non-SBC battery life. [off topic]

Why didn't you call out practically every other post, except like two, in this thread?

:rolleyes: Never mind, we already know
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Final. Made it 36 hours 10 minutes on Synergy with SBC charge.

Now, just finished charging up tge phone, and guess what? After 2 hours and 15 minutes, phone says my 3500 battery is charged and turned light green, AND I have been using it non stop for 2 hours doing emails, Fb and browsing. WTF? Seriously? I think that we are dealing with a lot more than 10% of this effin battety folks, when I rebooted, BMW, said my battery was at 68% charged and light is green? Am I like the only one that sees a problem here?

A 3500 battery CANNOT BE CHARGED IN 2 HOURS WITH A PHONE CHARGER! NOT POSSIBLE! AND ANYONE WITH BASIC MATH SKILLS CAN FIGURE OUT THAT THE CHARGER ONLY PUTS IN X AMOUNT OF JUICE AND THAT X AMOUNT OF JUICE WILL NOT EQUAL FULLY CHARGED 3500 BATTERY IN 2 HOURS.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
ONE MORE THING. Battety calibration does not do a effin thing if the battery cannot reach anywhere near full charge.

In my case, I followed those steps while charging with SBC, so I guarantee the battery was FULL! Now it makes no diiference becsuse Synergy and stock kernel does not look at battery stats or the phone would recognize that the battery is only 68% charged and continue, but it doesnt.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
If the phone thinks 68% is full then the issue is......dun dun dun...!

Battery calibration...next?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prugor:
Tons of mad in his tread. Less caps, more donations to a willing developer for an SBC kernel maybe?

Evo'd & Tapatalked
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Been off of non SBC charge since 10 am. Light use, at 50% now. Any more excuses non SBC people???

I have calibrated battery numerous times as per instructions that were offered. It may work for stock 1500 battery, but does not work on 3500!

Donations? Ok, I am going to put out a killer, fully adjustable user friendly ROM. Need donations up front and I will post my progress everytime I get $200 into my bank account. PM for address to make your donations.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Just because

that particular calibration method

doesn't work on aftermarket batteries doesn't mean the issue isn't battery calibration.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PwnCloud:
Please define moderate.

I can get well over 24 hours of battery life if I leave my screen off for the majority of that time, even with Wifi/Data enabled the entire time. It's when my screen is on that the battery drains like mad (you can see a sharp decline in the battery life graph for every time the display is on). So if I'm just using it to text every now and then or an occasional phone call, then yeah, my battery is going to be great. But if I'm playing a game or watching videos, even for just a couple hours, I'll see a huge battery drain.

And that isn't because of the games or the videos. Even if I have the phone completely idling - no special applications running, no funky widgets or anything - with no timeout on the display (so the display is constantly on), the battery will drain incredibly. I think the maximum I've had with the screen on constantly was 4 hours.

And that is the case with every single ROM/kernel combination I've tried, even after several battery cycles after calibrating. Even underclocked/undervolted. Having an extended battery (this one is 3500mAh) doesn't help very much either.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Down to 25% after only 10 hours. But, when I charged using SBC i was still at 90%.

Listen, I do not have a battery calibration issue, if under one ROM kernel combo, I can achieve full charge abd then one day later use Synergy and stock kernel and then it does not fully charge.

On a stock kernel, the ****ing phone will not charge past 3 hours, PERIOD. Sprint themselves said that a 1500 battery can take up to 4 hours, it says that in the battery calibration directions!

So please someone explain to me how this EVO, on a stock kernel, is going to charge a 3500 battery in 3 hours? It is immpossible, the charger can not push that much voltage fast enough!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Friend, I suggest that you understand what battery calibration means.

If your 3500 mAh battery is charging in a short amount of time then it is not calibrated correctly.

SBC kernels override the stock charging method.

That may be why the battery is being successfully charged with SBC and not with non-SBC.

I don't know.

But what I DO know is that this is a calibration issue.

You said yourself that at 68% the phone thinks it's fully charged.

Cal-i-bra-tion-issue.

Try this method:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11803458&postcount=10
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Phone wont stay on without a battery.

Did everything else with that page so far.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Also, when I pulled the batt on reboot, it bootedup when i put it back in, bmw stated I was at 71%. So far, 6 minutes into the reboot, it is still charging. What do you recomend I do when it reaches 100%?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steve97ta:
U gotta charge the 3500 almost overnight man. The EVO is set for a 1500 battery therefore it turns green faster. Finding that ROM and kernel combo might take a bit to figure out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Yea, I understand that overnightpart, but the phobe will not charge that long. After light turns green about an hour, it discharges some, then charges some, but never keeps charging. So then what?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steve97ta:
New charger or battery might be a good way to start. Hit up Amazon man
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Its not his battery or the calibration. Hebhas done the test and show that he can get s full charge on his battery using an SBC kernal. U morons with ur here try this link for a bettery battery calibration or u should get a new charge r idiots and have a serious problem with reading and seeing his problem and the tests he's run. I'm not gonna call out the few in here who think they can answer his problem with a link.......but the problem lies in the fact that he is waiting for an SBC kernel of the gingerbread kernels to be made which there is one in the works and will hopefully be available soon.

Eggs...bro I told u before the haters r gonna hate and think they r right. Keep at it my friend

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Name calling withstanding, the point is that his issues are battery calibration issues.

SBC kernels, because they change the way the phone handles charging the battery, may address that issue because he uses an aftermarket battery.

As I said, I don't know.

But SBC is intended to "give you" that extra 10% lost when the charger is supposed to shut off.

That's all.

You can get mad/upset, you can call people "haters" and throw around dumb phrases all day long...

But this discussion occurred because of the ops "test".

God forbid we discuss/explain those results.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Matt,

You fail to recognize that this extra 10% is not 10%. It is 30% or more!

Also, no matter what, the phone and its stock software WILL NOT fully charge a 3500 battery, I dont care what calibration is tried or new batteries from x y z company. It will not charge it! My tests the past week have proven so.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Jesus...whatever you say man...

Battery calibration is your issue.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
No again is issue is not having an SBC kernal. Do I need to spell it out you. Battery calibration is a ****ty excuse and something u tell to a noob. Go back to thinking u know what ur talking about somewhere else.

Eggs I fell ya man. I get ****ty battery life if I ever use a non SBC kernel and I have a stock battery. Ur fighting an endless battle with Matty here. Just ignore him eventually he will go away

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
I'm in love with the fact that you keep trying to make this a Matty vs the world argument.

It isn't. No matter how hard you try.

His issue is battery calibration.

I even said that SBC Kernels may address that issue because of the fact that it completely changes the way the phone charges in the battery.

But alas, as usual with you and a few others, you ignore all of what I say and try to make it look like I'm saying something else to continue an argument.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Let me spell it out real big for u. Maybe Ull understand.

ITS NOT B A T T E R Y C A L I B R A T I O N. HE HAS PROVEN IT WITH CHARGING HIS PHONE WITH AN SBC KERNEL AND SHOWING THAT HE GETS LONGER BATTEEY LIFE AND TYE FULL CHARGE HE NEEDS. If his battery wasn't calibrated then the SBC kernel wouldn't have charged the battery right either.

I make it Matty vs the world cause that's how u try to make it. U argue and argue and argue no matter what the issue. U don't listen to what anyone says. U don't try to help other than disagreeing with them and pointing them to a useless thread that u say is the answer no matter how many times ur told ur wrong.

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
As a note, I have tried all the calibration techniques the past 2 days. Nothing will help THE PHONE charge up the battery past 70% unless I repeatedly charge to 100% and delete stats, then reboot and do it again. It takes 5 times of repeating that to get it closer to a full chargd. Not practical.

The chip in the battery is just fine.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
lol you two.

I swear.

"Phone wont charge above 70%" = battery calibration issue.

Phone thinks that the battery is full before it is.

B A T T E R Y C A L I B R A T I O N

That is the explanation.

For the umpteenth time, SBC might resolve the issue because it changes the way the phone charges.

But don't worry, you'll both ignore that I said that FOR THE FIFTH OR SO TIME so you can continue to try to argue based on the idea that I've said something else here...which I haven't.

You guys have a good day now.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Ok, Matt, lets say you are correct. The charger is supposed to shut off when the battery reaches 4200mV. Well mine shuts off around 3700mV. When I do as I just said in last post, I can get it to go into the 4100 range after repeating those steps 5 times, which takes 2 hours.

Also, please explain how Sprint says it can take up to 4 hours to charge a 1500 mA battery, how can the phone also charge a 3500mA battery in the same time when the charging voltage is the same for both?

I was also told that the stock kernel has a time limit on charge to prevent overcharging or heat as a redundant check over voltage. If that is true, then the only way to charge an extended battery would be an external charger OR SBC.

Callibration of the ****in battery does not have anything to do with the safety checks in the PHONES software. What part of that do you NOT understand???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Are you serious?

You just named multiple things that spell out battery calibration and you're trying to state that its not.

Like, seriously?

As I stated, SBC probably works for you because it overrides the way the phone charges.

What part do you guys not understand here?

Its an explanation.

You guys aare arguing with me because you don't want the explanation to be battery calibration.

Why?

The kernel obviously corrects the issue so why does it bother you so much that battery calibration is why it doesn't charge properly under a stock kernel.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Well then,

I am in the middle of my 3rd calibration techniwue. This one said to let the phone charge for 8 hours with power off, which I did last night, and then run until phone powers itself off, then turn on again and let itself turn off again, then recharge again with phone off for at least 8 or more hours. Turn on phone and it should thrn see what the battery shows as fully charged.

None of the others have worked this week, so one more time wont hurt.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Forgot to mention that with the phone off while charging last night, light turned green after 2.5 hours...

Which also is the same time it turns green while on... Strange!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Because its not battery calibration like we have discussed in the past. Matty is just a little douche who never believes anyone else and always thinks he right. It sickining Nd tiresome. I and a few others chase him around do to this fact.

No matter what calibration techniques u use they wont work cause that is not ur problem. Don't worry Matty wont go away no matter what. Just hit the ignore button and Ull never see him again. I have not done so cause I prefer to call him out for his moronism.

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
And you guys continue the argument even though I've said nothing about the SBC kernel besides that it obviously corrects the issue since it changes how the phone charges.

But let me guess...that's my fault right? :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Nope u have nothing to do with the SBC kernel working. All u have to do with is the continued wrong view and supposed fix to his problem. Good job. U should be very proud of urself. Once again uve contributed nothing except for arguing and being wrong. No ur dismissed

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
You are the one here that is continuing this, as usual.

I clearly stated, in the beginning, that the SBC kernel apparently corrects the calibration issue with aftermarket batteries because it changes how the phone charges the battery.

Obviously the stock kernel is only built for stock batteries and therefore cannot give you the full battery.

We can continue to go back and forth.

You can continue to try to take what I say and misconstrue it.

But I'm done.

You're on ignore.

Funny how fixxxer isn't even on my ignore list yet you are.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Well, personally, I appreciate all opinions, that is why I am maling sure I try every possible calibration method I can find. So far, none have worked that I can tell by using numbers from BMWidget.

As a note, i was told by Akazabam on Android forums that SBC only works while the phone is powered on. There is a preset process on the phone that charges the battery when phone is off.

We will see, I am at 9 hours off chsrge today and at 40% right now. No use for 4 hours while I was driving home from a trip.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
Funny how I have a stock battery and I had same issues until I switched to a SBC kernel. Oh no please don't ignore me that would be so tragic

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Non-SBC kernel.

Tiamat 4.07 with -75mv lower voltage.

Admittedly, I've been using my phone

constantly

for the past three hours.

Before that, I was at 70%.

Stock battery.

You could try what stkiswr recommends here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=17297467&postcount=7
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
With heavy use and using tiamat 4.07 with SBC. Also using v6 script and vipermod undervolting script. Uc to 348 and Oc 998 using conservative governor. SBC does make the difference.

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
Wifi is amazing.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
How is conservative holding up for you. So far my battery seems really stable. On battery monitor widget the phone sleeps nicely and hums around -25mAh on wifi. Sometimes less.

Although I have changed my speeds today I alwayw test at 384min to be safe. Old tiamats wouldn't run well in my phone at 245. I would get reboots. 384 would fix that and the voltage table is the same at the frequency so I can't really see a difference at the same speed concerning the battery.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Papa Smurf151:
So far I'm loving conservative. Best battery life in a long time

free the dirk
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
What is battery calibration apologize?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Ok, I can do the same thing with BMW, which I have done 2 times. But, i will try it again tonight.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Battery calibration done. Charged til battery reached 4200mV, deleted stats, unplugged. We will see. After 1 minute, down to 96%.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
Doesn't appear to be an sbc kernel. U should sit a 100% for a little bit before rocketing to 96%. I like to charge to 100 then unplug, wait for light to go off, plug in and charge for 30 mins to a hr...then use the battery calibration app. No reboot. Just use til it gets really low.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
No SBC for Gingerbread yet, so no, I did not use SBC. I did what you said actually. the charger would not take the voltage past 4200mV, so obviously SBC kernel would and hence it would then last longer. It has taken me almost a week to even get the phone to get to charge the battery close to full to begin with. What is still discouraging is that, IF this is considered a full charge, it is not very good, as I clearly got 36 hours on Synergy when I charged it using SBC in Froyo, then flashed Synergy. Now since charging with Synergy, I have gotten 20 and 22 hours. That is ALOT more than the 10% that some of the people here say that SBC only gives extra. MY ASS!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stkiswr:
Lol I feel ur pain. No thread has ever held up like a froyo w SBC for me battery wise. Not even close. If I'm not on SBC I get immediate drop off the charger. Usually 5 to 7% within minutes. Hopefully u can get it straightened out. I only mentioned the battery app as it does what you could manually do and gaurantees a fresh stat.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Well, I am at 16 hours and 15% left. So much for calibration. Fail!

I did not use my phone much today, have a sick kid. Not fun.

I have exhausted all calibration techniques and it is clear to me that SBC with its slower charge rate and trickle charge on top end, extend battery life far beyond the 10% the advocates against SBC claim as a benefit. It is clearly way more than 10%. Closer to 25%.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmarkiek:
My suggestion is to leave sense and go Aosp. Miui as a matter of fact tiamat 4.0.7 sbc+. Im loving it Sense makes NO sense.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmarkiek:
This is with heavy usage. Sbc is where its at. Leave sense!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
Changing from Sense to AOSP isn't going to change the fact that, with the stock kernel, his phone thinks his aftermarket battery is charged at 68%.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
Matt,

I have gotten my battery to fully charge now, based on voltages. It has,now reached 4200mV as of today. However....

I am not seeing better battery levels as compared to my SBC charge and running Synergy. I think the trickle charge is better for life than regular quick type charge for these extended batteries. I had 36 hours on a SBC charge and Synergy and right now, I am at 7 hours on and at 60%.

The difderence between 24 hours and 36 with SBC is more than a 10% difference like what Lithid had said. That may be true for a 1500 battery, but for a 3500, it simply is not true based on my results.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
This morning, battery did not fully charge. Webt to 4189mV and then started back down. Was charging with phone on and on airplane mode like every other time I had charged. Hmmm.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mattykinsx:
If it's charging one day and then not the next [and you're not doing anything software wise] it makes me wonder if you have a hardware issue.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eggsack:
I am thinking that too. I will see what happens tonight on charge. I also am going to borrow another htc charger from a friend.
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestD1028:
I've been having a blast the last couple days with CM7 with 7.1 RC1.

I'd like to overclock the Nook but after reading a couple threads (which I can't link because I'm a newb) I don't understand if I just need the app "Nook Tweaks" (which I've already downloaded) or if I need to download a kernel also. The problem is that I don't understand which kernel I need and how to download it to the Nook.

One other issue I have is that when I'm in Gallery, it won't play the GIF files. All my photos are synced from Picasa (aka Google Photos).

Thanks for any and all help in advance!!!
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCKevo:
I don't know if RC 1 has the overclock kernel. Try going to Settings > CM Settings > Performance > CPU Settings for setting the CPU stepping speeds. If you can't select 1200 MHz, you'll need to grab one of the overclocked kernels.

As I understand it Nook Tweaks is mainly for undervolting the CPU (less power at the same performance, I think).
[Nook Color Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GuestD1028:
First, within the CPU settings, No I can't set higher then 925 Mhz.

Second, that's exactly what I need to know how to do...that is, "grab one of the overclocked kernels." I don't know which one exactly and how to download it to the nook.