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[WebOS Software and Hacking General] looktall:
i'm kind of torn about using android on my TP.

i quite like the way webOS works.

i honestly can't understand why HP gave up on this thing. it's brilliant.

sure it's a little slow out of the box, but so was my HTC magic. a new rom fixed that.

it has fantastic support from the preware community.

i'm loving gestures and cards.

a 3G modem would've been nice (or a usb port to allow a dongle), but again not a big deal given that most phones these days can do wireless hotspot and 99.9% of the time if i have my tablet, i also have my phone. therefore it's always able to connect.

i'll admit the build quality leaves a bit to be desired, but for a first up effort it's pretty good.

the touchstone dock is brilliant.

i'm tempted to buy a second one so i'll have one at home and one at work.

i love android. (i'm somewhat of a fanboy)

i recommend it to friends all of the time. but after experiencing webOS i'm starting to wonder why.

EDIT: maybe HP will sell or licence webOS off to google and we can get the best of both worlds?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] bobcote:
Since WebOS was released on the Pre few years ago I always wanted to try this OS as I mostly heard good comments about it and it looked good.

I must say that WebOS on a tablet is WOW! I love it.

I really hope new apps will be developed and that I will be able to continue to use WebOS.

I like my Android phone, but I would be happy continuing having a WebOS tablet.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] cbpagent72:
I have heard that the HP Touchpad has a 3G and 4G wan aready on the chip and just waiting for software to activate. Just like the Nook color bluetooth that it never came with but was activated within Gingerbread.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] linkinpark4175:
I really hope we will get the dual boot option. I would love to use that UbuntuChroot on it while enjoying Froyo or GB
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] string158:
I've always been interested in webOS ever playing witha mates palm pre. The cheap touchpads seemed like a great way of getting a webOS device.

I don't understand why people want to remove webOS, however I can understand trying to port android apps to it.

I'm still waiting delivery of my touchpad, cant wait to get playing around with it.

Does anyone know if I can mess with the browser so I can access chrome webapps?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] cordell12:
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more :eek: WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy :) Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] nunjabusiness:
The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.

Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] tiny17:
Hopefully the Palmdroid project produces results. Because I prefer the webOS experience.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] uberamd:
Yep, WebOS development will continue.

I really don't understand the cry for Android either. Froyo is not that amazing, Gingerbread isn't that great either. Heck, I have owned quite a few Honeycomb tablets (Xoom, rooted Nook Color, Dell Streak 7) and none of them impressed me.

I get that people here overwhelmingly like Android. But the only merit I can see for putting Android on this guy is for the apps. And, lets be honest, anything besides Android 3.X isn't even optimized for a large display like the touchpad. The Gmail application for example is just a giant list of emails. The WebOS email interface is leagues ahead because it actually takes advantage of the screen size by layering slide-panels instead of just being a giant list of messages!

WebOS is an awesome operating system. The only things holding it back to this point have been total garbage hardware (the Pre was trash) and a lack of developer interest. With HP pushing out hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these tablets in days, its safe to say that development will speed up on the WebOS front. Applications will start to trickle in faster, and things will improve.

The desire to have Android, yet alone a non 3.0 Android, on this thing just seems silly. But whatever, each to his or her own. I for one can appreciate the qualities of WebOS and will keep using it since it is a polished, tablet friendly operating system. After the "oh wow look what I did" factor of having Android 2.X on a tablet wore off, I realized non-Honeycomb Android on a tablet really sucks.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] dajogejr:
I already have an Android Tablet...it's cool.

I bought this for a cheap price, to have as a "coffee table" device for cruising the net and checking email. Maybe a youtube video once in a while.

AND...when you register the device you still get 50GB of cloud storage through box.net. I'm looking forward to using mine and have no intentions of putting any other OS on it...
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] brian.morrison2:
I am a huge android fan, but Ill admit that after using the TP for a few days, WebOS is hands down a better tablet OS. Its just so much more structured. Thats why Im looking forward to see what comes out of the Palmdroid project. From my understanding, theyre trying to port the Dalvik VM over to WebOS which will allow android apps to run in "cards".

Been checking this every day for the past week now :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1230723
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] remzicavdar:
WebOS is dead:rolleyes: Install Android 3.2 Honeycomb:D
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Marksta5:
Haha no, not at all. This is the worst OS I've ever touched. The OS is overall sluggish and not made for a fluid experience what so ever.

I just had mine fail to download a 30MB System update about 10 or so times.

Browsing the poor apps in the market takes a minute to load each individual apps page.

The pre-installed "apps" are a link to go download it on the market which takes the aforementioned minute load of the page.

The best app would have to be the youtube app that opens up the browser to Youtube.com, absolutely ingenious!

It has. . nothing. On it. I can't even find apps if there were good apps, you can't go to the top of free apps.. there is either top, paid, or free search tabs but not a top free.

Even the browser leaves me yearning for more as I sit there and watch the checkered white boarder all over.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] VeEuzUKY:
Is anyone else thinking about actually USING WebOS?

Yes, me!

Im running psycho-f15c-kernel-touchpad_3.0.2-41 on my ToychPad at 1.9GHz 100% stable! This thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaast!

Best and fastest Tab ever and WebOS is simply extraordinary... what a loss that that the best Tab EVER is discontinued and the most elegant and accomplished OS for a tablet has been sentenced to death. I have an ipad2 that I really like and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" that I use as my phone running Android 2.3.

Nothing touches WebOS, nothing! And nothing touches the speed of the Touchpad at 1.9Ghz! Ill use and love the Touchpad for as long as I can can, even iwht limited apps and an OS that is frozen in time. What a great loss, this is just so amazingly great! If HP had launched this a year ago and seriousely wanting to make it a success, this would be for sure the ipad killer... my a million miles.. really sad, but happy I have one and that works so well.

Thank guys for making this thing work so well and fast. XDA is the best community on the internet, period!:):):)
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] aptalca:
I just got my touchpad in the mail and have been playing with it for the last couple of hours. Here is my first impression:

wow, webos is pretty impressive. I owned and used iphones, ipads, android phones and tablets extensively and I can say that webos has the simplicity and user friendliness of ios and the multitasking and openness of android. Kind of best of both worlds. If it had the dev support of ios and android, it would certainly be better than ios and a huge competitor to android.

it is such a shame that it is almost dead. HP should have sold these tabs at $250 at launch ($50 below manufacturing cost) just like they do with the consoles and build dev support. Once established, they would make a ton of money off of their app market by selling media and apps just like apple.

introducing this tab at the same price point as the already established and ridiculously popular ipad with no apps and dev support was a quick and sure way to failure.

Such a shame. I really would have liked to see a mature webos platform as a strong competitor.

ps. I am writing this comment on my touchpad 32gb while listening to grooveshark on another browser window. The speakers are pretty loud and have great audio quality. Too bad Hulu just blocked access.

ps2. I really like the usa today app a lot. Nice job with the design and the use of gestures. That is exactly what touchcreen apps should be like
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] InvaderTak:
Defiantly liking WebOS alot but until more development takes place atm I will move to android when it surfaces.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Alpha Class:
after using webos, android seems like such a hackjob, atleast on the tablets
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Rayzero:
I believe pre central had a fix for that, but I can't recall the forum title. I would assume it has Hulu in it.

I apologize if directing people to other forums is not allowed for some reason.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] nunjabusiness:
Your reported experience is the polar opposite of everyone else I have heard from. I just downloaded a 50MB update for Kindle app and it took maybe 2 minutes. Everything was smooth and fast as soon as the OTA update was done, but with preware and the patches, it is even faster and that was before OCing at all. OCed to 1.5 it is lightning compared to my experiences with Android on tablets.

I have to wonder if maybe you got a bad unit or just failed to update the OS.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] etherealglimpse:
Like many people, I use android on my phone and I love it. It works well on that platform. I have tried hundreds of apps. I've written reviews and really gotten nasty on apps. I think open source is great.

Then I tried webOS on this tablet and just E.P.I.C. I believe WebOS is a great tablet OS. I'm not sure if android is really this great on a tablet. I think Android has a lot of work to do. Mostly because the apps are not being well designed to fit a tablet. I really hope app developers see tablets as more involved in the future and really reconsider their design objectives and plans.

The webOS is really easy to use. It's minimalism is actually helping itself out by making it easier for people to use. Sure it's an unfinished product, if no updates are ever released, I probably have no choice then to move to android but I will do it reluctantly as I will always remember that OS that I really enjoyed using and that no one will be able to experience again because some bigwig decided he was so afraid to compete or cause he didn't see the money or the market for it.

A lot of people have borrowed it from me and used it for a brief time, a few hours at most, yet, they say they have done almost everything on the tablet that they do on a regular pc in terms of consuming and entertainment. The other stuff is creation and actually working on hard work which can't really be sustainable on a tablet yet unless you want to pull your hair out.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Lyphen:
Yes, definitely. If HP continues putting out performance updates, and we see a Dalvik port for Android apps, I could see myself sticking to webOS indefinitely. Much more fun to use than Android.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Jocelyn:
While I initially got a little obsessed about the potential android port, I haven't used my Transformer once since I received my Touchpad. TBH if the forums/tapatalk app for the Touchpad was scaled right, I'd hardly ever use my Evo. I <3 Webos!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] crucian4:
i have been a webOS user since day 1. I gave a fledgling chance and it wowed me. I was sold and still am. I own an ipod and have played with an evo and an evo 3d. Webos is a diamond in the rough that just needs apps and users. Sad that it did not get both in time.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] devis:
being my first webOS device I am nothing short of impressed. Android is good but this tablet is one sweet device.

yes lack of apps... But then again most of us only use tops 6 or 7 apps regularly and whatever else we use is just in a trial basis.

one highly impressive app is the email client. Every mobile OS maker out there take notice... Yes Apple and Google I am talking to you.

Lack of adhoc kinda bothers me since I can't do much with it during my commute tethered to my TP2 but its a matter of time until the devs figure it out.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] docnas:
adhoc tethering lol same exact problem here ( im trying to tether my TP ie Touchpad to my TP2 no not Touchpad2 but Touch Pro 2....is it just me or do my devices seem to have a tendency to like touching? ) i wish i could tether mine also.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] domineus:
much like the general experience, I was waiting for android for the ecosystem and program selection. Then I used webos. Prior to the update, it was a frustrating experience. post update, it was great. overclocking it and adding a few more tweaks made the tablet outperform the ipad 2, which is considered the best. Android honeycomb has a lot of work to do before its better than webos. Essentially I got a great tablet for half the price of either of the big guns.

It's a good tablet and I like webos. very user friendly. My only complaint is always going to the program launcher. Otherwise, really good job and experience. Why this didn't sell is beyond me
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] tiny17:
It didn't sell because it was priced at the same price as the iPad2 with hardware that isn't as sleek/nice looking, and crap for an app catalog.

Had someone like MS bough webOS, the thing would have been fairing much better now, as there would be a real app catalog - at the minimum.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Ophbalance:
I agree, the email app is epic. Being able to put in whatever account I want, be it personal, google, whatever is great. The IM client is nice as well.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] d0lphin:
I love it!

I was sitting on the fence for an apple ipad. For 149.00 I thought what the hell since I have had everything from Palm Handspring to a treo 750. With Precentral and XDAdevelopers this tablet kick every tablet rear without a doubt.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] totalundone:
Yup, I'm using webOS here (Android phone user, some Honeycomb tablet experience).

I knew it was a decent OS before, but after using it on the tablet - it's slick - really, really slick. The only thing that I think it's lacking are apps (obviously) and some type of ability to add widgets to the desktop. I like having some type of notification on the home screen without having to open dedicated apps all the time.

webOS on the tablet shows how much more work Honeycomb needs. When the Android port comes out, I may hold off on it until Ice Cream Sandwich or until I have a lot of app envy, haha. The whole upswiping to get to the main screen and apps is really neat (I was wondering how it would work with one button with multitasking, etc) and now I see where Meego go their idea (but they included left and right swiping too).
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] cchase231:
they had left right swiping on the palm phones, not sure why they left it off the touchpad.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Ratix0:
I love the interface but many things are a trainwreck...

The web browser is horrible. Too many things can't load properly and heck, I can't even download school work properly through the browser.

Media players are a wreck. I tried touchplayer, none of my HD mkv files loads properly (they run mostly at 2fps when its supposed to be 60), even though they load on my Desire HD (android, on way lower specifications than TP) using DICE player. Next, even running non HD AVI files (standard old divx or xvid codec I presume), is jerky and laggy. Before you even get started, I already applied all relevant patches and O/C to 1.5Ghz. Not intending to go any higher because I doubt it will help my problem.

The next is word processors, or more like the lack of a proper word processor. Quick office bundled is crap, just like its android counterpart (also known as polaris office now). No way I can type documents, or notes into documents. This is just unacceptable for someone who wishes to use the tablet for work, be it school or office work.

The next is a sub-par PDF reader, stock tablet/mobile PDF readers are noted for their lack of ability to add annotations, so I'll let that slide. However, several PDFs I have doesn't load properly, several loads in slightly weird or stretched font, which looks rather awkward. This is a minor issue but can be a major source of annoyance, which ought to be improved on.

Many functions can be improved, such as gallery I use as a make shift manga reader yet, it has its quirks. Same for email app, though its good, it has its quirks that can be improved on.

Enough of the bad side of Touchpad WebOS, on the bright side, I am pleasantly surprised that it runs Youtube and most flash videos on its browser pretty decently once I've overclocked and do the necessary patches. Web surfing is not a bad experience so far, and overall fluidity is acceptable at current age after doing all the tweaks. There are still noticable lag in applications such as facebook and mosaic (which could be contributed to bad coding on developers' side), but those are more of irritants than a problem.

On the bright side, I really like how the OS handles cards and all. Very simple, intuitive and sleek to use. This is the only redeeming factor of the tablet and the only thing thats keeping me attached to WebOS. Else, I'd have no qualms to android this tablet.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] dblock3nine:
After playing with the device for the last few days I have to say I'm loving the WebOS, I haven't played with a WebOS device since the Pre. I have a Android tablet also (Acer A500) and I find myself using the Touchpad a lot more. The lack of quality apps is a downer but with all the support and user base this tablet is getting now maybe that will pick up big time, at least I hope so. As of right now I'm sticking to WebOS for has long as its alive and being supported by devs. If WebOS had the support and development that Android has, it will be the best OS for tablets and maybe even cellphones, I believe so at least. I'm using the Touchpad now to post this, by the way :-D....
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] midnight93933:
To me the biggest downfall of the touchpad is no native youtube app
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] lrn2swim:
there is something wrong with your touchpad and/or your wifi network.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] lrn2swim:
why?? youtube works perfectly in the browser and you don't have an app which takes up precious hd space.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] koovoodoo:
I think I have jumped the bandwagon. After initially buying the to hoping to get an android port, I have now developed a different taste. Having a galaxy tab 7inch with gingerbread, I have to admit that I like webOS a lot more. It is so much easier to use. If there is couples more apps for this than it would be perfect for my use. If the palmdroid works than it will be perfect for me.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] aptalca:
It's not a problem with the tablet, it's a problem with HP's servers. They were probably getting hammered due to so many people receiving their tabs in the mail. They probably weren't prepared for that much traffic at once.

I had the same problem with the update connection, but larger apps ~50MB were downloading within seconds through the app catalog. I am also connected through wirelessN-5Ghz on a 16Mbit/s cable and connection is fast.

In terms of placeholders, I think that is because those apps were not released yet at the time of the tablet's release.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] CrocadileUT78:
Overall it's an amazing deal at $100. But if I was one of the people that paid +$400, I'd be pissed off.

WebOS is very clunky. It reminds me of a dumb-downed version of Android, trying to be like Apple iOS. It makes complete sense to me why HP just gave up. I'm already kinda bored with it, and eager to install Android. When I finally put my Touchpad down the first night and went to check my Android phone for messages, I remembered why I like Android so much more. I love my widgets, tweaks, customizations, complexity, etc, etc. Android is not for everyone, but it is definitely for me.

The TouchPad itself is VERY heavy compared to my wife's iPad2 and my Cyanogenmod7 NookColor. It's also much thicker. The body is WAY too smooth too, I feel like it might slip out of my hands if I don't find a rubber skin for it. The screen is pretty responsive though, far more so than my NookColor.

For $100 I have no regrets, and I'm sure I'll like it a lot more than my NookColor once I remove this pesky WebOS. LOL

What I do like about WebOS is the Facebook app. They should make an iPad and Android version just like it.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] micl9:
+1 on the smoothness or slickness. It feels like it wants to slip out of your hand.

I bought one of the HP cases - its OK, but makes the feedback worse when using skype. I have an ipad 1 rubber case on the way and will post back on thoughts when I get it.

Back on topic - WebOS has some nice features, but it feels slow and sluggish. My wife's nookcolor w/ CM7 is much smoother and faster feeling.

I will almost definitely put android on this when I can. Every device I have runs better on CM7 than the stock OS, I don't expect the TouchPad to be any different.

Of course I am jumping the gun - hoping forCM7! :D
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Gopena:
so far, webOS is amazing. The browser runs damn near anything, the os is snappy and fast, bing maps work...well! And its an altogether great user experience. Web os is awesome . Web os application support? Absolutely awful, from having that size appstore and seeing what iphone users have over android,there is comparatively nothing on webOS. But that's my only problem :D
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] tapehands:
so far I'm just angry at the software keyboard (and autocorrect), and the lack of apps...specifically, this was never meant to be a standalone device. I need swype, or a bt keyboard..I need a way to wirelessly transfer media from windows shares (or stock dlna support)..why wasn't a stock camera/video app included (even though the cam is front-facing..)?

while I love the bulk of the OS, they just didn't hit the right niche with the uber-geeks, or with the "I just want it to work" crowd. Where's my vnc/rdp? Ssh or telnet? Smb/cifs? And joe-blow hearing about a cheap tablet on the news isn't going to know jack about transferring files, using this as a mass storage device...

they built a half-finished product with amazing hardware, then expected the same kind of forgiveness android had in its infancy. The problem is that android was given slack because your only options at the time were iOS or <winmo 6.x...its absurd to think you can launch a half-baked platform and hope it works itself out in the current mobile climate.