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[Windows Phone 7 General] eric12341:
jaja I agree, people expect their phones to be like portable hard drives or something, we've been given 25GB of storage on SkyDrive for a reason as well as the Zune pass streaming. these phones are very far from useless. I'm also seeing design complaints, these phones aren't meant to be a fashion show if one thinks they can do better they should apply to HTC and do better otherwise stop complaining on forums to people who may be excited about these phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Agree, I had a 4GB SD Card in my old TP2 & that was more than enough. Ok, yes 8GB is kind of small for WP7 considering how big some apps are & if you're an app junkie, but it's far from useless. I'll agree to the person you're responding to on 1 aspect. OEM's need to learn to create different versions, 8/16/32 GB to give people the choice of size over price like Dell did. My only complaint in SD Card size is that the desktop Zune client is setup to auto sync music, media, etc. I have 30+ GB of music alone nevermind movies/documents/pictures. I need to pick & choose what I want on the device (16GB). I also hate if you move a music file, the auto sync will remove it from your device. Sure it can be turned off, but you have to know how & go into settings. I made a huge mistake when I first got my WP7. I didn't know exactly how the different sync options works. So, I choose, "Items I choose." I copied all the music I wanted most to the device. Well a couple months later I decided to delete all the music off my PC & re-download it. I had way too many duplicates. Well, everything on my device was deleted too. Yes, user error, I know, but still annoying all the same. Now I have it set to "Manually" but if trying to flash mango & have to uninstall Zune Client to succeed, have to remember to set this setting again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sure haven't:
Count me in for the "16 is enough" crowd. I've got 16, and I still have about 8 free.

However if we could actually watch AVI/XviD's, I might have less room, but still, how many movies would you keep on your phone??
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Not many, 1-3 maybe. They'd quickly steal your free space. Plus, I only ever watch movies on it if I have to take my elderly disabled mother to a doctor's appointment & have to wait long in the waiting room & get bored.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Dude, you changed your avatar again? :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freypal:
Meh, I've got an 8gb Omnia 7 and i've never filled it so 16gb isn't exactly a problem for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
That is what i used to think before Windows Phone 7.

Basicly, i hate the media player on Windows Mobile 6.5 because it is just so laggy, but when i came to WP7, i superised about media power of it and i started to transfer movies and video clips in my Schubert.

Far from now, i have used only 12GB :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Even for video, it is more than usable. Look at it this way. It's a 4.5"(?) screen with a higher resolution than a standard definition TV & believe it or not, most people still have SD TVs. And, don't give me it's the distance you view it at line (Not pointed at you). Even from 4-5 feet away, a SD TV still looks worse. How many yrs were those around. I remember the days when you might only have 1-2 friend(s) who actually had a computer & IF they had internet, it was dial-up 28/56 kbit/s & non tabbed browsing. A single webpage could take minutes to load. Some people still live on Dial-Up in remote locations.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ aren't you the guy that prefers the cloud? Nevermind.

Its a screen, you either like it or not like it. Buy it or don't buy it. Shove it in your face or look at it from a mile away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Agreed about like it or not, buy it or not. As for cloud, nope. I prefer a true USB sync like in WM, plus a file explorer & registry editor. Cloud is nice for on the go needs, but I hardly ever use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Same. I get tired of uploading my Document to SKydrive from my Phone.

Hope Microsoft get something like Windows Phone Device Center, to sync Emails and DOcuments, and Zune for Media. Just like Windows Mobile Device Center and Windows Media Player for old Windows Mobile 6.5 Device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
HTC is known for skimping out on battery sizes and using dubious quality LCD panels in their phones. They also have an addiction to older internals. The HD2/HD7 camera is dubious at best (pint tint, etc.). The Surround was hyped and recieved dubious reviews, if we can even call it that. HTC phones have some of the worst external speakers I've ever heard on a smartphone. Worse than a Blackberry Curve or Samsung Jack that costs half the price. The cell radios in their phones are typically weak, making them volatile "phones" for people who live in lower reception areas (and that leads to worse battery life). Samsung is using Hummingbirds in mid-ranged devices now. HTC is using same-gen snapdragons in current flagships.

Everyone wants to say the specs doesn't matter, but if you buy a new game and it lags like **** on your phone compared to another with "current" hardware, I bet you won't hesitate to bash the devs in the review.

HTC has never had great hardware, and whatever great points on their spec sheets have always been more than balanced out by other embarassing points listed there.

Their Software is good. Sense on WM and Android are great. On WP7 there's almost no reason to even consider an HTC unless it's the only device available from your carrier - like the HD7 was. The way Microsoft runs the platform, they really cannot show their strengths in WP7. That's why the Focus and DVP overall got better reviews than the HTC phones (except the Sprint one cause it was the only CDMA WP7 device in the US). The hardware was superior, even though they all have faults (DVP camera is even worse than the HTC ones).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's a 4.7" screen.

Why do you keep compring a phone to a 40-60 inch HDTV. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever... Not sure why you're "still" doing that.

SDTV looks terrible, that's why hardly anyone produces them. The bulk of the industry has moved onto HDTVs. This phone is pretty bad, anyways. If you buy it there's a high risk 3 months later even HTC will release a 4.3"+ qHD handset and make you feel like you wasted a colossal amount of cash and/or contract renewal.

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-titan/#specs

Droid Bionic has a 4.3" screen at 960x540, for comparison.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
I say again.

1280x768 , 1336x768 on Full HD 40-inch Plasma TV and i have no problem with that, either my family.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Before people get too caught up in slagging off htc, it is worth remembering they just came second after apple in the jd power smartphone user satisfaction survey.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Sorry, no I wouldn't think I wasted money & no there won't be a qHD WP7 sorry (anytime soon). This is a MS requirement. WP7 only supports WVGA. Don't know how you can't get this. Also, don't know how you can't understand that WVGA on a 4.7" screen is higher PPI than most full 1080p HD TVs. The distance you view it at means nothing. The viewable difference in the resolutions you talk about are negatable. Besides there's many other reasons to buy the Titan, like the 1.5GHz CPU. Funny how you avoid this part of the equation & focus on screen alone. Oh, & what in my last response mentioned 40-60" HD TVs? That was a few posts back & was used to compare PPI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Yes, probbed up by Android power users who love how friendly HTC is to hackers. I wouldn't be suprised if Samsung ranked high as well, even though they are incompetent when it comes to updating although Microsoft's yearly update cycle is making Samsung look like Mother Teresa.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I already mentioned the CPU. Read upthread. Really, if you can't read please do not try to converse.

Mango runs fine on a 1Ghz CPU. 500 More MHz isn't a big deal, especially when it's probably just an older CPU overclocked a bit. You can overclock 1GHz phones released last year to 1.7 right now if you want in some cases. It's not that big a deal.

I don't stare at a CPU all day when I use my phone. I stare at the screen. As long as it performs decently, the screen and the quality and volume of the sounds out of the external speaker is always going to rank 2 and 3 for me, after the quality of the cell radio, which is typically terrible in HTC devices as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
I would think that a CPU that is 50% faster and a GPU that is twice as good should make for a pretty noticeable difference over current phones.

The core OS runs well enough on current hardware, plenty of the existing apps and games could use some help though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I do know how to read, I'm not talking about what you've said earlier. I'm talking about our whole debate, your whole point recently has been about LCD. Nothing else, hence the "focus" on the screen. Yes, it runs fine on a 1 GHz CPU, but the extra 500MHz can't hurt. It's the MSM8255T, same as the Samsung Galaxy S 2 Mini. HTC Radio quality? lol... I've had excellent signal quality with all my HTC devices. Speaker quality has been the same other than the HD7. All others were great. Titan has a S-LCD, plenty good enough & doesn't suffer from Samsung's Screen Burn-In issue. I'll take LCD/SLCD over SAMOLED any day than risk dealing with Burn-In. The Battery? I work 8 hours like everyone else & have more than 60% battery life at the end of the day on moderate usage.

PS: Thank you though, that was worth a good laugh... Oh, & yes, it's software too. HTC has the more hackable phone. Gets their updates fast. Has a few nice Apps. There's so many reasons why to buy HTC that far outweigh anything negative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
I just think he changed the subject too fast.

He started complaining about the Blurry Effect of the Screen but now changed to the worth useagle of CPU.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, I made a whole post upthread about why lot of people won't see value in buying this phone when they already have a Launch phone. He just didn't pay attention to that part. He was busy comparing cell phone screens to 40-60 inch LCD televisions.

Galaxy S mini is a mid-range device. A flagship like the Titan shouldn't have "comparable" internals to a md-range device. That's the problem I'm pointing out. It was a problem with the WP7 aunch devices. Quasi Mid-range specs with high end/flag ship prices. It's simply not a good value... My opinion.

Battery Life is disappointing on most smartphones. Some are just worse than others. HTC tends to put smaller batteries in their phones, which exacerbates the isses. Galaxy S IIs are shipping with battery sizes approaching 1.9k mAh... Titan has a 1600... That's barely bigger than an Evo 4G for a "4G' phone with a bgger screen and hungrier internals...

HTC's software is good, I already noted that. Their value add applications are good. I already noted that. However, they aren't wildly superior to what's on the market. Some of their value add software is buggy or inop in areas (YouTube Search, for example) and on WP7 no vendors but Nokia have the freedom to really differentiate themselves. It's just a few apps, apps which in many cases are worse than free offering off the Marketplace.

HTC's high satisfaction rate come from Android, not WP7.

And I've had 3 HTC phones in the past year and a half. All of the phones I've owned (and I've gotten replacements for a couple of them) have weak cell radios and external speakers. The same cannot be aid for Samsung and Motorola phones, as a counter example. However, those OEMs suck at Software. But a phone is a phone first.

So I'll never by another HTC.

The phone also has only 16GB storage with no SD Card Slot, but that's expected. Their flagship Android devices are usually shipping with ~2GB space on the device (but do have an SD Card Slot).

Also, he's not using SAMOLED burn in as a crutch, when he had no clue about it until I mentioned it and I was referring to a 1 year old panel from the Original Galaxy S devices, which isn't even used in Samsung's newer devices... The LCD panels have terrible viewing angles compared to SAMOLED and SAMOLED+ and the burn in is only a problem when you have tons of stationary objects on the screen. WP7 is more prone to burn in than Andorid or Bada because of the tiles on the home screen. Android has issues with the Notification bar, but that part of the screen is largely static (basically dedicated to that bar). Nice one there...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'm sre a 5Ghz quad core will make a noticeable different on my desktop, simply because it's twice as fast. If the CPU is not a bottleneck, unless a certain app taxes the current CPU beyond its limits, it won't make that big of a difference.

And apps are guaranteed not to do that, becuase all the launch phones use a 2 year old CPU and that's basically 99.98% of WP7 deployments rigiht now. Developers are forced to code towards the lowest common denominator, else they will find it hard to sell their products due to poor reviews and performance.

Developers on iOS do the same thing. i4 is faster than i3gs, but since so many people are still using the i3gs, they target that phone as a baseline for performance to make sure they do not alienate a huge portion of their customer base.

No different is software companies still supporting Windows XP/DX9 instead of dropping support for it.

That's actually a decent play by Microsoft because it forces developers to code a bit more efficiently and not overdue it causing device-level fragmentation IRT what apps can run on which ones. On the other side, it leads to stagnated innovation IRT what features or hardware the phones themseles contain - HTC Titan being exhibit A.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
All I know is that I have had many HTC devices (see my signature) and I have never had a problem with them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
EA Dropped Developing Games for XP. Biggest Example: Battlefield 3.

Nowday, you see most game still support XP, why? because most studio make console become the lead platform for the game, not PC. And XBOX 360 use DX9.

a 5ghz CPU? You might see the very noticeable sign on your desktop, power consumption, heat...

So, you start to complain about second CPU generation now?

Apps developments have to based on the CPU type? oh i didn't know that...And freaking Android Market has tons of apps for many kinds of Android Device with different CPUs type from 2nd gen to dual core.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
God not gonna repeat myself...

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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
But... PC is a lead platform for gaming they tend to favor consoles because the piracy rate is much lower. Also consoles do not have to deal with system requirements.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I am not talking about all your posts in thread, I am talking about our debate. Stick to our conversation & don't try to skew the facts in your favor. Yes you mention SAMOLED burn-in, but doesn't change it's fact. LCD's don't suffer from it. I leave my screen on all the time when my phone is plugged in & charging, Android/Bada/WP7/WM/etc. it doesn't matter what OS, you'd get burn-in. My comparisons to PC Monitor are to show PPI of the top of the line & average monitor & to the Titan's screen. Stop trying to twist my words because you can't win because I provide well researched facts while you provide your personal opinions. 16GB? 90% of my 16GB is free.... I'll admit though, a 32GB option would be nice. The real problem is the 8GB versions. First you want to say that the 1GHz CPU is fine for WP7, now you try to say the 1.5 GHz isn't good enough, make up your mind. What makes it flagship is screen size. The Galaxy S 2 is a MINI. That's all, I'm out, I think I made my point to everyone else. They seem to get it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
I will too argue that I can't cope anymore with 16GB. I have about 9GB of Music so I the moment a Zune Pass doesn't interest me, I subscribe to quite a few video and audio podcasts and games can get heavy (Pac-Man CEDX is 105MB, Tentacles is 158MB). Add apps to that and I'm consistantly under 1GB of free storage, I can't even store a movie on my phone.

And it really pisses me off when I see manufacturers offering the same handsets on Android with twice as much storage (in that instance HTC Titan and Runnymede 2).
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Yes, I can see how some people would need more. I personally wish MS require Nand Flash instead of hidden SD Card. I believe it is the Focus that has 8GB Nand Flash & a SD Card slot? That would be nice. Also will be nice once we get SDXC compatibility.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
The Omnia 7 I have has 16GB Nand Flash. Has been fast from day one, which made the NoDo performance tweaks pointless for this particular handset. At least on LG phone also uses Nand but really we need to see 32GB Windows Phones now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Not going to continue arguing about this phone's quasi mid-range specs. Enjoy it if you get it. I'm not here to tell you what you should or should not buy.

HTC always skimps on space, even in their Android phones they do it. However, very few Android phones come without an SD Card Slot and you can add up to 32GB there. As long as the phone has ~2GB for apps and an SD Card Slot, it pretty much doesn't matter on Android. However, I don't tend to buy Android phones that do not have at least 8GB of internal space, which pretty much limits me to Motorola or Samsung, and Motorola is generally only on Verizon... So yea... I think the LG G2X has decent internal space on T-Mobile though... Not sure though, haven't paid much attention to that device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
The thing is the Android Titan, Runnymede 2, comes with 16GB or 32GB onboard so why should WP7 users be only limited to 8GB and 16GB models?

We don't know what Microsoft's policy is on SD cards for 2nd gen devices but if they're not allowed we must see 32GB phones in shops. That's a necessity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It's called skimping on that so that you can save money (or rather, increase margins). The type of people attracted to WP7 aren't the types of people who upgrade as often as Android users, and Android OEMs can entice people to upgrade by dropping support for older devices. That's not doable as easily with WP7.

So if you want the upgrade on space, you're gonna be upgrading your phone. Pretty simple.

Microsoft should have mandated 16GB minimum if they're going to allow OEMs to use SD cards for the storage in those phones, period.

If they want to sunset Zunes in favor of WP7 devices, there's no way they can get away with that with a bunch of 8-16GB storage devices. It would be a huge blunder.

There's a reason why Apple has up to 64 GB model iPhones and iTouches. There are Blackberries with 8GB storage internal + SD slot these days, even, and better hardware. Who would have thought...

The minimum specs have always been too low because we always knew the OEMs would still price the phones at current prices even though they have older (and thus, cheaper) hardware in them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
The storage is one of the things that I figured would be chosen by the carriers, so hopefully they will bump it up to 32 GB.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I doubt the carriers care or have anything to do with the storage size in the phone. That's the manufacturer's doing. HTC's phones across all carriers generally have crappy internal storage - there are a few exceptions, though. Samsung tends to give the Most, with Motorola and LG behind them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Wasn't it AT&T that requested the addition of the MicroSD slot in the Focus?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well some carriers have increased storage - I have a T-Mo De Mozart with 16GB. I doubt it was a gift from HTC.

I fully agree though that 16GB should have been the mandated minimum from the start.
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I think the problem is the availability of 32GB SD Cards that meets the data transfer requirements of WP7. There's a thread for putting a 32GB card in the HD7. It can be done without "voiding warranty" by not touching the screw that has the sticker on it. The thread only lists 2 SD Cards that are confirmed to work.

[Tutorial] Upgrade your HTC HD7 memory to 32 GB

What I do like about the Focus is that it has Nand Flash & I''ve heard it makes WP7 a lot faster. I'd like to see 8/16 GB Nand Flash WP7's with a SD Card Slot like the Focus where you can than add any compatible card you want to have a max of 8+32/16+32 of storage. Of course it'd still not be hot swappable, but at least it'd give you more options for storage space.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Okay, stupid thing happened.

HTC Titan will go over AT&T.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/HTC/posts/10150431954523084

Reconfirmed:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/231601228
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Dont see much wrong with performance here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60WYkv1A8Cw&feature=player_embedded
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
The Runnymede hasn't officially been confirmed fr a 32gb version or to have the beats software an/or headphones.

http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/13/...-leaked-full-bliss-charm-accessory-confirmed/
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Radar on Orange UK

Hi all

Orange UK has just posted the Radar as coming soon on their retail website.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Pretty much yes: http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/13/htc-runnymede-and-bliss-details-sneak-out-from-leak-town/
[Windows Phone 7 General] slight22:
I'll second that if others haven't.

Any news on if the Titan will be coming to North America?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
Yes, that is confirmed. AT&T announced yesterday that the Titan will be available sometime in the next three months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] wwfc:
Titan and radar available for UK preorder at http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/HTC/HTC-Titan/85,83144,All,tt1,ct1 I've already ordered my Titan :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
I stand corrected thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Does T-Mobile UK use the same Freq with T-Mobile US?
[Windows Phone 7 General] slight22:
Will I be able to buy the titan able to use 1700 & 2100 frequency? (usually t-mobile)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If it's AT&T Branded, why would they take a phone with T-Mobile 3G frequencies? That's a rhetorical question.

Sometimes you get a phone that has one frequency for the other GSM carrier, but that's not incredibly common. Carriers don't subsidize phones so people can get it on contract, get discounts/rebates, ETF early, save money compared to a full price purchase and move to another carrier...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
If a promotional phone isn't on for a certain amount of months it clears the ESM making it unuseable unless they remove the ESM lock on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
agree, kinda! PPI. distance viewed is the most important aspect of of it, that's why a 40 foot screen can look the same as a 4 in screen at the same resolution, still not convinced the titan is worth it mind =)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pravind:
Why havent they released a phone with Beats audio in it? The argument of they need time to develop it doesnt wash as a new Android phone with it is coming out soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Simple answer, they don't really give a **** about Windows Phone. Also why the android's Titan comes in 16GB and 32GB whereas the Titan only comes in 16GB.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pravind:
They will come crawling back, I think eventually Motorola wil start to get everything exclusively first.

Rumours are HTC want their own OS, possibly Meego