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[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
My hope are running out, i should keep Schubert instead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
With the ability to create playlists on the fly its easier to just dump a large part of your music collection on your device and manage your music there. Apart from syncing videos and updates you'd have very little reason to connect to a pc. Got 32GB on my device and intend to do just that when I upgrade to Mango. Add in a few synced episodes of DBZ, and more storage starts to look more desirable. I'd rather have more than less and then have to micromanage my storage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lauticol:
I think the Radar looks just as an HTC Flyer.. It's so similar, and the phone would look horrible when the screen is off (all black, plus the front-facing camera and the sensors)..
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
This.

Before WP7, my old WM devices were such a pain WRT media playback (video OR music) that after a while I just gave up. WP7 is so much better it is almost unbelievable, and it has completely changed my opinion of using my phone as a music and video/movie player. 8GB just wouldn't cut it for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
HTC hardware always fails to wow me because I know the battery life will be about 10 minutes and it'll look exactly the same as every other HTC device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
also my complaint. If it weren't for xda developers well would htc even be half as popular?

That said I am going nokia
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
same, dell has outstanding hardware but the second I have an issue with my phone I know I'll be in an all out war getting it resolved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Extreme boy:
All HTC phones look same.. I'll wait for Samsung phones as HTC's service after sales is very bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IXI Nyx IXI:
I like the HTC Omega, but I wait the Nokia SeaRay ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Basicly, a new 1600mAh would last longer than the current 1230 mAh for Schubert for about 1h30 of using, and will be last longer in waiting mode, since Mango is built with a really good power controller. (Battery is increably increase in my Schubert after Mango)

I would still choosing HTC because HTC phones are easy to hack, and i am not kinda of person who usually stay with the "Stock" Build, but still afraid of bricking my phone.

I have used several Nokia, basicly, Nokia has pretty good build quality on their phones, but usually their sensitive screen sucks ( I had the xPressMusic 5800 before) .

No Doubt about the camera quality, i used to use the E72 and it took picture at 5.0 beautifully.

And most of all, i must see the price and the screen that they offer. Now i won't hold any thing smaller that has a smaller screen than 4.0 inch (except my Zune HD).
[Windows Phone 7 General] tmak22:
Eternity/Titan

It would be nice if Eternity/Titan also have a front facing camera and possibility dual-core. That'll be an A++++++
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Dual Core now is still useless.

Single core 1.5 would save battery better than dual core.

New version of snapdragon cpu will bring a lot of joy :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Are you saying a first Gen 1.5 single would be better than a second Gen 1.5 dual core? Better battery life, better performance? If so, that makes no sense at all. None.

They wouldn't be developing and spending millions on it, if it was useless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] HacK-TroY:
htc these machines have to be a hope that will soon come to Spain.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
I can't wait for the HTC eternity/titan I'm hoping it comes to ATT.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Venvito, the cpu of Eternity should be second genaration bro.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
plus. a second gen single core when used at its ful potential with a lighter OS and proper drivers can outperform a third gen using a more resource heavy OS with poorly written drivers (besides, the third gen Snapdragon isnt that good in real world use compared to others ex. Sensation/HP touchpad) Im still waiting for an Android to outperform my Hd7 in smoothness and lack of lag. and we only have a first gen chip.

the only one i have seen that can go toe to toe with me is the Galaxy S2, and it took a 1.2ghz dual core processor, 1gb ram and a very well optimised OS by Samsung

but 1gb ram would have been nice too. 512 seems like too low nowadays

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^

Umm no not at all. What you guys completely fail to realize is that you can never compare IOS, Android, WP7, etc side by side for speed or smoothness. UNLESS its the exact same program, programmed the exact same way.

If one OS has transitions set at 25 fps, and the other OS set at 40 fps. It doesn't matter what CPU the first OS has as it will always appear slower than the second OS.

So you guys should quit the smooth and speed argument as it is baseless. With absolutely no proof. It only shows what you don't know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
what proof? compare and contrast. Android runs like crap on the same specs on a windows phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You're just proving my point.

That's like saying putting a quad core in a Super Nintendo, the games will run faster. That's dumb as hell. The game wont go faster than its programmed to. Same applies here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Ever play a PC game?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Um...Bro... Can i make a suggestion?

You cannot open the "Cores" of the OS and just change the number from 25 to 40 and then "problem solved"

The deal here is

The OS itself must support the CPU technology and use everything it has. Poor -coded driver will lead to nightmare about performance even you have one of the best CPU.

For Android Example : HTC Sensation vs Motorola Atrix

They both use dual core processor, but Sensation has a much more greater experience than Atrix because HTC has better codding and tweaking the Android more than Motorola.

and Samsung Galaxy S2? i don't doubt about its power from Google's Android.

What we looking for here, is the useage of the CPU that you have. I still laugh myself because someone outthere just has a phone which has the CPU that almost beat my old Sony Vaio ( i used that Vaio for a lot of stuffs from 720p Video to Coding stuffs). I mean like, most people nowday have their own PC or at least a netbook at home, and they just want their phone to do the PC stuffs. The Dual-Core is reasonable on the Tablet only i think, because the Tablet use different version of the OS, has more complicated system, and use more resource, but still want to keep the lowest power consumption. That is when the mobile dual-core CPU come to the game. Basicly, the dual-core CPU on the Smartphone is kinda useless because you will not do anything that much to use 100% of that CPU expect you want some kinda nice number on the benchmark list that is posted online every weekend.

They bring the Dual-Core CPU come to the game because they want to lie to people why the phone is laggy sometime, (They said because the phone is not strong enough to run the apps, not the OS itself is bad codded), and just want to please some people who "favored" the Dual-Core CPU.

If they bring Dual-Core CPU to Tablet like iPad, HTC Flyer, HTC Punccini ... i will buy it without asking why. But i will consider myself if they introduce me to a brand new Smartphone that run the latest OS Version and has the Dual-Core Device, while i can pick up the little older phone, with better Speed in one core and run a older version of the OS which i can easily update to the latest.

I don't say the Dual-Core CPU is weeker than The Single-Core CPU, i just said the OS itself cannot handle that massive power that the CPU can give them. So basicly, you pay for more than $100 and receive the same experience, maybe worse than other "lowered" device.

Just my thought bro, don't be mad, just discussing. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^I'm discussing too. However, you missed my point. I'm talking about the speed the OS was programmed to run at, not the CPUs. If a core app has a opening speed of 5ms, a faster CPU will not make that app open faster, it will still open at 5ms. Get what I'm saying?

If the window transitions are coded for a specific amount of time, they will show for that specific amount of time. Regardless of what CPU is in it. This is what comparisons fail to point out.

1080p and real 3D gaming offer huge selling points with Dual cores, just a side note.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Then it is when i said "Dual Core CPU is kinda Useless on Smartphone".

1080p and 3D gaming are belongs to Desktop/PC Stuffs ;)

If PC can't do anything good yet, the rest of the electronic devices can't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
Eternity looks kinda dull in the pics imo. im starting to dig the Radar now.

bummer since im a big screen kind of guy

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Basically its just a white Trophy, no attempt to change the design at all. Really wonder why htc gets so much praise when they just release the same phone over and over again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
For the past few years that have been the case, but before they use to come out with some of the best design phones, toward then end of windows mobile, no other company were making quality designed phones like they were.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Interesting that the Omega in the video has the Tango video app, and I'm pretty sure Tango is not on the Marketplace at the moment (at least not in the US). So that continues to hint at FFC support in Mango.

And now its official, along with HTC's lineup of Mango phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zorxd:
Sucks. Not even on par with the Sensation/Evo 3D. No qHD (unforgivable on a so large screen), no dual-core, only 512 RAM. And I bet it's still the old Adreno 205 GPU.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sKxBfsOvSU

:D

I love HTC more than ever before.

and new video reveal more about the camera apps i guess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofBZ8eQYis&feature=channel_video_title
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I honestly don't give a damn about dual core CPUs, but what the hell is this? One oversized monster phone (which is nice for some people, I admit, but it's a niche thing), and a mediocre normal sized one. Both look exactly like every other HTC handset released recently.

Guess I'm taking a break from HTC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Make it official:

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-titan/

http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-radar/

@vanrieg: I maybe look alike other Android Phone, but i don't care that much.

Everything i care is new screens, look like new 8MP camera, front-facing camera (Skype, haha).

Nokia is probably release Nokia Sea Ray with 3.9 inch, and i almost can't handle anyphone that has the screen smaller than 4.0 inch now.

So, time to change my plan is coming. Waiting for this thing (hopefully for T-Mobile)

2 good news in several days. Titan & Radar and U.S Gov take their hand on T-Mobile & AT&T sh!tty contract.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Just FYI and all other spec hunters, WP7 officially supports only the 1st and 2nd gen Qualcomm snapdragon chips, max 800x480 screen resolution, min 256MB RAM, min 8GB storage, min 5MP camera, accelerometer, light & proximity sensors. OEM's can up the storage, RAM and camera MP count (up to supported chipset resolutions) but beyond that little can be changed in the core specs. Looking for qHD, dual core, newer GPU's is pointless for this generation of WP7. Just the way it is.

Still seems to beat the pants off the dual core crowd though. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lugi93:
4.7" oh jeez how do you put this monster in your pocket? Everything above 4.0" is just too much :eek:

Can't they just make a 3.8" with the taste of titan.. :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
Not really impressed. One is to small and lacking the other is too big for my taste.

Nokia please don't disappoint

MS you need to work hard on fixing the resolution and RAM limitation of your OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
What resolution and RAM limitations? Are there any specific situations where the screen and RAM have proved to be an issue for you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Unless Nokia surprises me, I'm going for the Titan:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/htc-titan-and-radar-wp-7-mango-phones-revealed-we-go-hands/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/htc-titan-and-radar-wp-7-mango-phones-revealed-we-go-hands/

OMG... Alarm Clock, mean this docks has its own Speaker. Consider if i can play music through that thing :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
Windows CE 6.0 (which WP7 is mostly based off of) has a 512MB limit

The max resolution is currently 800x480.
[Windows Phone 7 General] henry084:
The white Radar is quite cute, gonna love it.;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well.

Maybe it's the just this HTC guy's mistake, maybe it's true:

On Titan's video the guy clearly states NO TWITTER integration!

Any word on this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] prjkthack:
Considering that its part of the OS and not something HTC can control, gonna have to say its a no. Also, someone else already debunked this rumor. There is a video somewhere showing the Twitter option on the device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] henry084:
May be he has no twitter account?

My Live account is linked with Twitter, once I was signed in and twitter will also sign in automatically. (Of course on machines with Mango RTM)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Confirmed HTC Titan HAS Twitter integration:

http://www.wpcentral.com/htc-titan-and-twitter
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
The Titan has 768MB of RAM. And what exactly are the problems that 512MB and 800x480 cause?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Tastes differ, but I hereby officially announce that these two phones aren't taking WP7 anywhere in terms of market share. Mango or Schmango, you need attractive phones on store shelves. Titan is oversized for the general public, and Radar... There's just nothing to say about it really. It could be a decent phone, if not exciting, if they didn't cripple the specs (I'm mostly talking about that measly 8GB storage maximum here).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
Maybe oversized for your eye and hand, but i found it comfortable, with big device.

I have used Leo and now Schubert, my hand feel kinda weird when i hold the Focus and Omnia 7.

Lost the comfortable + eye candy level are not in my case.

Titan is sexy (not as sexy as the Schubert when it first came out), 4.7 Super LCD? Hmm... Even better than T-Mobile Schubert.

Just checked out the Sea Ray, i love the eye-candy level of Nokia phones, but i have used Nokia for too long (over 3-4 years), and i get tired of seeing the Nokia icon everyday (LOL, IMO, because Symbian get old and sucks, created a bad image of Nokia in my mind) .

I am setting my calendar to 1st October. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I used Leo, too, I can't say it was uncomfortable, but with time opted for smaller phones. That doesn't matter though, I just don't see this 4.7 incher's mass appeal. What I'm saying is that it's going to be sold in rather small quantities. I'm not in any way trying to discourage you from purchasing it, of course. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Not interested. One is too big the other is too simple. I'm almost certain to get a Samsung, very pleased with my Omnia 7. Great screen, camera, speed, all I need now is a phone with 32GB memory (onboard or via MicroSD). If Samsung can't provide that then maybe I'll think about Nokia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-titan/#specs

Umm It's on HTC's site.
[Windows Phone 7 General] samsabri:
I made a table of the specs for the two devices. Check it out and see if you see any discrepancies between it and the handsets.

http://www.gowindowsgo.com/2011/09/01/htc-radar-and-titan-specifications/
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
You still haven't answered the question. What is your issue with the memory specs and resolution of WP7? (And "I just want more" isn't an objective or even logical answer)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't know about memory but higher resolution would certainly be nice. Even small fonts become readable on web pages which makes zooming less frequently needed. I enjoyed iPhone's screen a lot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
:D

I just kinda of a fan of Big Screen.

And i can go to class and up set several iPhone user. :D

Last year, i ruin their life with Customized Leo, this year, i doubled it with Mango 7720. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
The poster under you summed up my thoughts about the screen resolution. As for RAM it never hurts to have more.

Still waiting to see what Nokia shows up with before I get rid of my Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Going on wrong info. So 512MB. Still doesnt seem like a problem. The few videos we've seem to show the performance to be comparable to anything on the market so dont see where more is needed: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-titan-...tter&utm_campaign=Feed:+slashgear+(SlashGear)
[Windows Phone 7 General] the0ne:
HTC Titan Specs and Promo video

1.5 Ghz processor

!.3 MP front camera

DLNA

and more ...

it looks like an amazing device
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcorrie1121:
Higher resolution = smaller text. Try adjusting your monitor up and down and see what happens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Not necessarily. Compare iPhone 4 with any previous iPhone to see how it works without changing text size. You just get more pixels.
[Windows Phone 7 General] george232:
Titan will cost $850, Radar $570 according to pocketnow...I hope they won't use the random 1$ = 1€ conversion for the European market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Titan looks good to me, styling looks a bit same old same old, but the DLNA would be very useful. I will still wait to see what other manufacturers offer before I buy though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hagenlund:
I would love to get the Titan, if only the pixel density wasn't so sub-standard.

When is someone gonna challenge Apple on PPI?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
It's not the OEMs, higher resolution isn't supported on WP7 yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
And so should everyone. HTC has been lazy again and other OEMs won't need to break a sweat to offer much better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
The HD7 which is bigger than 4.0 fits in my pocket just fine, and I'm a skinny fellow, so I don't think 4.7 will be too bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
Ridiculous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Here is the Android version of the Titan: http://phandroid.com/2011/09/02/new-leaked-image-and-specs-for-the-4-7-inch-htc-runnymede-2/

I like the Titan, a keyboard would make it better. the pricing is better on the Runnymede though.

I also think the Titan will come in a 32g version.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
Are they coming to the States though?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vicious2500:
I'm definitely getting a Htc Titan 4.7in screen is a good size for people with big hands. What I like the most is the battery is an upgrade over the surround and my focus at 1650mah. Can't wait to get it this beast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] KINGOFNOOBS:
there is no ram max, only a ram min. the htc 7pro, hd7 and mozart have 576mbs of ram
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
Windows CE 6 (the base of WP7) has a limit of 512MB of physical RAM. This is fact. Having a RAM chip above 512MB doesn't mean that the OS see's it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] KINGOFNOOBS:
htc says that the arrive/mozart/7 have 576mb of ram. obviously it would have to be put to use in some way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
We can go back and forth doesn't matter just let me get my hands on the Nokia device so I can get rid of this Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DARCchocolate:
Im personally getting the Titan, although I am interested in the price tag on it since I do not currently have an upgrade
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cotulla:
It's not right.

WP7 based on Windows CE 7.0

and

WP7.5 (Mango) based on Windows CE 7.1

There are no limit on RAM size.

About dual core:

Dual core doesn't means that it's faster in two times.

Proper software must be developed to support dual cores.

But even proper software won't give boost in two times.

One of the reason - both CPUs need access same memory, so it more need aggressive cache flush and etc. It's a possible source of speed down.

I can't tell you numbers (like %), but it is really happens.

So IMHO this 1.5 GHz can be competitor to dual core 1.0 GHz.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
personally, i was liking the look of the Radar much more when i saw it in white. but when i saw that the specs were sub-par, then right now the Titan is ahead. Ill wait too see the rest of the lineup before I trade my HD7 but 4.7 is getting too big for my taste
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
This is not right at all. WP7 is based on Windows CE 6.0 with parts from CE 7.0. WP 7.5 (Mango) is also referred to as WP 7.1, but that has nothing to do with the underlying OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
If I was 20 years younger and my eyesight was better, I would go for a smaller screen, but the way things are going with my eyes, the bigger the better! I was playing with my mates DesireS yesterday and I couldnt make out much of the text in the widgets - guess I need glases...............
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cotulla:
Seems you don't have real knowledge ;)

It's definitely CE 7.0. If you will look inside a bit, like me, you will understand this ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Maric:
Privet Kakdella Cotulla, can you show some love to 2nd generation Samsung devices?
[Windows Phone 7 General] hwalker84:
I can't tell if this guy is being serious or not :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] drkfngthdragnlrd:
He's serious, you should understand he is one of the greatest minds of XDA. Look @ the # of thanked posts he has. He's one of the main HSPL creators. Trust me when i say he knows what he's talking about. There's only one other person who I know of as skilled as him & that is DaG.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hyellow:
So cotulla, will the HTC Titan will be your next victim?:D My next wp7 device depends all on how soon it will get HardSPL. Anyone feeling the same?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
You might be new to XDA.

Cotulla always be one of the best in XDA. He and DFT makes wonderfull job in hacking Phones.

So, YES. HE IS SERIOUS.

Just got a Zune HD today for only $55, can't be more sweet than that.

Waiting Titan to be available on US under T-Mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ganondolf:
windows phone 7.0 is made up of ce6 (r3 i think was the last version) and parts of ce7.

this was confirmed a long time ago by MS.

They had to do this as at the time when wp7 was made ce7 was not finalised to they used ce6 with all the parts that was ready from ce7.

I guess this is why when he looks at the code he can see ce7.

as far as mango goes i don not know which ce has been used.

I agree with his dual core v single core statement 100%. I believe it would be better to have dual cores as an option for the publics mindset. as people see dual core and asume that it is more powerful.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
in terms of public mind set, it depends on which bit of the public you are talking about, a lot of non techies have no idea what is inside a smartphone although I would accept that salesmen will spout off about multiple cores to sell otherwise inferior devices to the uninformed
[Windows Phone 7 General] Strike_Eagle:
http://wmpoweruser.com/a-look-at-htcs-ifa-stand-and-the-htc-titan-and-radar/

399 Euro = $562 (non-taxed)

610 Euro = $851 (non-taxed)

Source: 1 EUR = 1.40845070 USD | 1 USD = 0.71 EUR (MSN Money)

Doomed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcgrady666:
I have some smaaaall hopes, that the battery of the Radar with 1520mah will fit into the mozart...

hope theres no one there to shatter my dreams...^^