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[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
It should work fine, yes.

No I don't have one. I'm waiting for answers/info in this topic, so I can decide whether to buy the Droid 3 or XT860 ;).
[Motorola Droid 3] 2204pc:
there are some droid 3 global unlocked to buy on he web. what would a xt860 bring more according to you ?
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
That's what we're trying to find out here! :D
[Motorola Droid 3] speculatrix:
according to gsmarena the xt860 has a Ti OMAP dual core 1GHz chip in it, and I would guess the companion radio chips don't have CDMA/EVDO, so there are probably the two variants, the Verizon XT862 which is Qualcomm based, and the GSM/UMTS one which is Ti.

or, are the specs I have out of date?

I agree that Moto will, ideally, want to manufacture just one basic device and to have the only differences being in the firmware, but the radio module cost could be so significant that its worthwhile having the two key variants.
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
First of all, GSMARENA copies info from other sites/source, and has never been 100% reliable.

Secondly, it's not about the cost of the specific radio module, but more the costs of having 2 production lines/processes to get 2 versions
[Motorola Droid 3] androidowns:
I been trying to do some research and I'm considering using the XT860. If unlocked can this be used on T-Mobile USA? With voice, text and data working? If not, will any of the other versions? I'm a BIG fan of Android and QWERTY keyboards; and the G2x is not cutting it for me.

Thanks, I appreciate any info.
[Motorola Droid 3] whocancatchme:
Hi,

I'm french and i'd love to have this phone but is it a CMDA phone or not ( In france it's 3G) ? And if i can where do i buy it ? because in europe they call it milestone instead of droid, and the 3 will not be available until january...

I'm currently on xperia arc, really good phone but i want a keyboard and this one look awesome...
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Did you read this topic?
[Motorola Droid 3] whocancatchme:
Lol yes i know but too much information can't figure where is what i want to know
[Motorola Droid 3] whocancatchme:
And also wikipedia is not clear ! I don't see HSPDA anywhere... sorry if the answer is here ...
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
The droid 3 aka XT862 is a CDMA/3G phone while the XT860 is supposedly a 3G phone only. Some people here suggest that the XT860 will be better for 3G.
[Motorola Droid 3] whocancatchme:
Ok thanks don't really need cmda here !
[Motorola Droid 3] leobg:
Both phones use the same processor TI OMAP 4430. Baseband is likely the same too, just programmed differently.
[Motorola Droid 3] deoxy:
According to the specs, both have a Qualcomm MDM6600 baseband chip. Baseband is probably programmed differently, but the antenna's might also differ.
[Motorola Droid 3] StevePritchard:
Have you got a reference for the Milestone 3 being available in Europe in January? All I've been able to find is plenty of sites saying that it isn't coming to the UK at all (I believe this was originally announced by Clove in the UK), but haven't seen any reference to other parts of Europe. The problem with native European models, of course, is that keyboard layouts will differ.

I'm still thinking the XT860 version will be better for me in the UK. Interestingly Negri are listing two different versions - one is the Bell version and the other is an OEM (slightly cheaper) version. The OEM will not have any Bell software/branding, and may well be the best choice for European buyers.

Cheers,

Steve.
[Motorola Droid 3] whocancatchme:
I'm trying to find where i saw that but i can't i spent 30 minutes on google sorry maybe i dreamed... but really waiting for this one
[Motorola Droid 3] _LTB_:
I got the Bell version because the OEM one seems to be quite a bit away (at least to me).

There is no Bell hardware branding. I don't mind the few Bell programs that came with it. When I find time I'll try to freeze some of those anyway.
[Motorola Droid 3] :
The only reason to get an XT860 would be for use in the USA with AT&T. The Droid 3 is radio locked to prefer CDMA and reject USA GSM networks. Until an unlock for that becomes available, the Droid 3 is going to be unusable on US GSM(took over a year for a similar unlock to appear for the Touch Pro 2, as I recall). A SIM-unlocked Droid 3 in Europe will still be radio locked but will have no problem with the European GSM frequencies.
[Motorola Droid 3] _LTB_:
Here it was stated that the XT860 supports HSDPA speeds up to 14.4 Mbps vs. only 10.2 Mbps on the XT862. Not sure if that is really the case.

And then there is the branding and the Verizon bloatware of course.
[Motorola Droid 3] savvymars:
Ugghhhh so confusing! So will the xt860 work on verizon?? I've already got the grrandfathered full data plan and I want a 4g dual core qwerty slider... what are the options for this?

D2g liberty 3
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
what?? why would you want a XT850 when you're on verizon?
[Motorola Droid 3] jimmybr:
My Xt860 from Brazil have FM Radio, others version have radio too?

Sorry for my bad english
[Motorola Droid 3] LaZiODROID:
jimmybr: According to http://pdadb.net , the XT862 and XT883 don't seem to have FM Radio. Interesting...
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
What do you mean "no FM radio"? My XT862 doesn't have a FM radio app installed by default, but installing a APK gives me FM radio just fine
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
Be aware FM radio only works when a headset is plugged as the phone uses the headset cord as a receiver. FM waves are too big to big picked up by an antenna in the phone

Sent from my rooted xt860
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Well yes but this has been the case on every mobile phone I've ever owned
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
the xt860 doesn't have a FM radio app, rather it's in the stock music player. I don't have the xt862 so i havent had a chance to look in it. I'm just saying they probably all 3 have FM capabilities. Not saying, just saying
[Motorola Droid 3] nokturnihs:
So can those of us with the US droid 3 utilize 4G as the Canadian model is claimed to provide?
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
The canadian version does not provide 4G, despite its name.

So no
[Motorola Droid 3] LaZiODROID:
Perhaps the definition of 4g differs between US and Canada?
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
On December 6, 2010, ITU recognized that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."[7]

So while not technically 4G, they can call it that as its an improvement over previous 3G technologies

Sent from my rooted xt860
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
Fyi I pulled that from Wikipedia article on 4G

Sent from my rooted xt860
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Yes. Supposedly it's faster than the xt862 wity 14mbit instead of 10mbit.

I don't mind since 14mbit internet is hardly offered where I live and it's very expensive.

Also it's probably radio baseband limited since they both have the same chip
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
According to the Wikipedia article, 100mbits is true 4G

Sent from my rooted xt860
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Ehm... I'm happy if I get 20mbit on via cable internet... 100mbit mobile internet? LMAO:D i bet most of the phones can't even write 12.5mB/s to storage
[Motorola Droid 3] ChaoticWeaponry:
I think 100mbit/sec mobile internet would be great.. haha *new monthly 2gb* - 1 day later.. *limit reached* :D
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
Well what would you be downloading to your phone at 100mbit/sec? Your 32GBs would be full in 42minutes

If you have 2GB limit it would be full in under 3 minutes at full speed...
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
I think that's more for tablets or laptops on mobile internet. One would hope that when these speeds are reality wireless plans will match

Sent from my rooted xt860
[Motorola Droid 3] Chamelleon:
I read whole thread and have some questions. I'm living in Poland and here is only 3G/4G so which model should I choose?? Many people says that canadian XT860 cause it has no CDMA and working property in Europe but I can't find any XT860 to buy. Other thing is I can buy XT862 from Verizon but some I heard it can have problems with 3G/4G and it needs to be rooted to replace some files to get better signal. So my question is which should I take?? Should I buy XT862 from Verizon unlocked and which problems could I have with this model in 3G/4G networks?? Or should I still searching XT860?? Sorry for my crappy English.

P.S.

Where can I buy XT860 or XT862 with shipment to Europe??
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
I would go with the XT862. Rooting is very easy and it works great here in the netherlands.

https://negrielectronics.com/motorola-xt862-droid-3-verizon.html
[Motorola Droid 3] Chamelleon:
So, what about problems with 2G/3G network problems on XT862, anyone resolved it yet?? Is it really big difference between XT862 and XT860 from Bell?? I'm not interested HSDPA+ but I just need to know what band have problems with signal.
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
With the GSM fix there is no problems with signal quality
[Motorola Droid 3] les_paulde:
Great thread guys! I'm well tempted by ordering one from Negri as I really want an Android phone with physical keyboard. Can I just ask where you found this GSM fix (sorry if I overlooked a link)? Also, do you get full HSDPA speeds in NL? I'm originally from NL but am currently living in Denmark (same network frequencies), so if I can get full 3G speeds I'll be happy as can be.

The reason why I ask is that I would indeed like to benefit from the better support and apparently better battery life of the XT862, but if the 3G speeds have to suffer for that, then I'll probably end up going for an XT860 anyway. Many thanks in advance! :)
[Motorola Droid 3] bogdan_wrc:
I believe this is the thread with GSM fix:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1326310
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
For the link see ^

I'm can't tell you if you get full 3G speeds with the droid 3 because my contract is limited to ~2mbps (fast enough anyway, unless you download apps/photos all day etc.) It might be possible that the droid 3 will only do 10mbps while the XT860 does 14.4mbps. These are theoretical speeds and I doubt you would get 14mbps all the time anyway.

Maybe someone with 14.4mbps contract should test the speeds.. I'm also interested in whether the XT883 rom will give 14.4mbps to the droid 3 as well. (Only so we really know that they have the same hardware)
[Motorola Droid 3] les_paulde:
Great, thanks for the information! I totally agree that you probably won't notice the difference between the XT860 and XT862, especially considering that I never reach the full 14.4mbps on my current HD2 anyway. That leaves me just with one last question: how's the battery life? I keep reading in threads that the XT860 won't last most people a full day on average use, whereas the XT862 (with the latest updates) manages up to 2 days; may I ask what your experience is with that?

thanks again! :)

EDIT: If I do end up getting it (highly likely now ;) ), I'll do a speed comparison with my current phone and will let you know, as theoretically I should be able to get 6mbit and am getting 5.5mbit on my current phone...
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
My battery life is good enough for me.

Thing is, it doesn't really matter if you get 14, 16, 18 or 20 ours on 1 battery... I always charge at night anyway or you will need to charge it the next afternoon.

I get about 16 hours on normal usage.. that is browsing, occasional game, apps, music etc.

Yes it will last 2 days on light usage, the standby time is pretty good.
[Motorola Droid 3] leobg:
Same here about battery life. I got ext battery for my XT860, but it doesn't really change things since it doesn't really matter if I will have 15% left or 40% left when I go to bed at night - I have to recharge anyways. And since with the standard battery phone is a bit thinner and battery door fits better than extended one, I ended up using the standard only.

XT862 gets better standby since Motorola updated them a month ago or so. Our beloved XT860 is yet to see an update (despite having exact same issues as initial XT862). Motorola doesn't care much for the few XT860 users (compared to the much bigger audience of XT862). Hopefully in few months we will see update (if at all...).

As far as speed goes, I believe both phones are capable for same download speeds despite that 10/14Mbps claims. My provider doesn't limit the speed, but most I have seen is about 9Mbps on my XT860.

Generally I am happy with the phone and if they iron out the few bugs that bog it down, it will really be a decent device. The bugs that bother me most are the fact car dock initiates a battery drain once phone is used in car dock which needs reboot to get rid of and the fact camera is useless in most cases due to the blue tint.
[Motorola Droid 3] DoubleYouPee:
@leo; note that the blue tint has been fixed for xt862 in the OTA
[Motorola Droid 3] TBBle:
There's also the Hong Kong release of the ME863 at http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/H...rvices/Mobile+Phones/ci.Milestone-3-HK-EN.alt which claims HSDPA 14.4Mbit/s (Category 10) and HSUPA 5.76Mbit/s (Category 6)

Taiwan appears to have the same thing at http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/T...rvices/Mobile-Phones/ci.MILESTONE-3-TW-ZH.alt

The Brazilian version at http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/B...e-Phones/ci.MILESTONE-3-by-MOTOROLA-BR-PT.alt claims HSUPA 7.6Mbit/s but there's no such category so I assume that's a typo.

These all appear to be XT860/ME863 variants to me.

For reference the four versions listed at Motodev are:

Milestone 3 XT883, XT860 4G, Droid 3 XT862 and Milestone 3 XT860/ME863.

http://developer.motorola.com/products/compare/?items=18649,18664,18644,18810

However, Motodev only distinguishes them as two with CDMA (XT883 and XT862) support and two without (XT860 4G and XT860/ME863), they don't list HSDPA/HSUPA classes there though.

From what I've seen so far, there's three carrier-branded phones (two with CDMA, one without) and everywhere else gets a non-branded Milestone 3 of some kind or other.
[Motorola Droid 3] bogdan_wrc:
on 2G i get two days complete. up to the second night.

if we manage to change the stop of data connection in stock rom after less than 15min...it will increase battery life.
[Motorola Droid 3] les_paulde:
thanks for all the comments and posting the link, really useful! Indeed I have no problem charging it daily, but I did want to be sure I should be able to reach 1 day without worries and average usage. I guess I'll be hitting up Negri soon then... :D
[Motorola Droid 3] bogdan_wrc:
in the first 2-3 days...you will charge it more often :P

be carefull, when ordering from negri to add taxes available for your country :)
[Motorola Droid 3] leobg:
Not only blue tint, but car dock leak and the cell standby drain are addressed, as well as the nasty keyboard repeat that sometimes happens. Pretty much all major issues. Come-on @Motorola, prove me wrong and release fix for our Bell XT860 phones!
[Motorola Droid 3] bogdan_wrc:
probabil bell is waiting to update both .894 and .890 in the same update :)
[Motorola Droid 3] :
So, is there an unlock code for XT860 yet? Mine is from Bell and I want to travel but this is really not cool to stay locked. I'd rather not root as I heard there are problems with that.

I appreciate some input. Thanks
[Motorola Droid 3] Dri94:
i heard all the ones online are behind and dont work anymore. I do hope htere is an unlock found soon though
[Motorola Droid 3] boazal:
did you try those?

http://www.mobileincanada.com/How-To-Unlock-Your-Cellphone
[Motorola Droid 3] LaZiODROID:
I bought an unlock code from cellunlocker.net in October or November (to use Rogers sim card) and it worked fine. Hope that helps.
[Motorola Droid 3] newshook:
The differences between XT883 and XT862 are in:

1. Talk time 196-280 minutes in XT883 while 550 (continuous) minutes in XT862;

2. Standby time is 116-165 hours in XT883 vs. up to 300 hours in XT862;

3. Wifi: XT883 supports 802.11b,g while XT862 can do 802.11b,g,n;

4. Both support BlueTooth 2.1+EDR, XT862 spec provides more details while XT883 is more generalized;

That's all I can see. Probably there are NOT identical given the differences above.
[Motorola Droid 3] :
Really...it can't be unlocked. That's crazy. How about rooting? Is there any way to root it without loosing functionality etc?

Thanks
[Motorola Droid 3] LaZiODROID:
I carrier unlocked my Bell XT860 soon as I pulled it out of the box (purchased unlock code online). Has anyone here purchased an unlock code for their XT860 online and had it NOT work?

As for rooting, people do it to gain functionality and flexibility. I remember rooting my Bell XT860 with PetesMotorolaRootTools_v1.06 (or psouza4).

When I messed up my phone and had to restore to the Chinese ME863 stock rom, I rooted it using DooMLoRD_v4_ROOT-zergRush-busybox-su (same for the Brazilian XT860 stock rom)

If you have a Bell XT860 and did the OTA update, I'm not sure which rooting tool works. Search the forum for this one...
[Motorola Droid 3] BenSWoodruff:
So, I've noticed my D3 (xt862) has a little less wifi signal strength than my G2x did, and I'm thinking it has to do with the xt883 radio.img I'm using in order to get gsm functionality. Also, the battery does seem to go pretty quickly. So, is there any way to edit the build.prop and remedy these issues? Such as making it use the cell radios like an xt883 but then use wifi like an xt862?

Thanks.
[Motorola Droid 3] Endoroid:
i tried a site that after 24 hours refunded me becuase they could not even find a code for mine, i haven't treid since as it was for a trip to the states, to allow me to use a local sim and save on roaming. afaik zergrush will work for the bell OTA, it works on the iusacell 2.3.6
[Motorola Droid 3] LaZiODROID:
Not to plug or anything, but try cellunlocker.net ? Thats the site i used. Good luck!
[Motorola Droid 3] angelohb:
PTBR

Does anyone know show me a ROM that restrain the Portuguese BR language to the XT862?
[Motorola Droid 3] CornholioGSM:
...i have on my Droid ICS from droidian1441.

It has inside maybe all languages - Português (Brasil) too.
[Motorola Droid 3] Joe_PDA:
Can someone break this down for me?:

Can someone break this down for me?:

I need to use the Droid 3 in the USA with my T-Mobile (GSM) sim card.

I also need to use it in China with my China Mobile (GSM) sim card.

Which is the best version of this phone for me?
[Motorola Droid 3] redsox985:
If I understand correctly, the US version uses the Chinese radio to operate on US based GSM networks, which probably means it would operate in China with the swapped sim card. Plus, this phone is much more common on this forum and has more available for it. I'd wait for some others to chime in, but from my days here, this is what I have gathered.
[Motorola Droid 3] MrObvious:
That sounds about right.
[Motorola Droid 3] Joe_PDA:
Thanks for your reply. So you are recommending the XT860 for my need?

I have access to buy this and the XT883, so does that change anything?
[Motorola Droid 3] redsox985:
XT862 is US version, 860 is Canada, 883 is China IIRC. I would say 862.
[Motorola Droid 3] justin6b37:
How about ME863?
[Motorola Droid 3] redsox985:
I'm not sure. If you want a different model, get it, but I would get the 862 since it makes up probably 90% of this forum and has the most available for it. ROM's are almost always built for the 862, then have patches available for GSM. The GSM patching is pretty routine now, and kind of expected of most devs being that this IS a global phone. If you brick your 862, you can easily fix it with an SBF/FXZ then flash the proper radio for GSM.

Personally, I would get an 862, but it's not my money or my choice.
[Motorola Droid 3] Buckaru11:
To joe_pda if you have only XT860 and XT883 avalible,I would get the XT883 because that is the radio that we in the US use to get GSM on the XT862 ,just a thought.
[Motorola Droid 3] RWALEY:
I have obtained and used all 3 variants.

To add some clarification to this post:

The XT862 and XT883 are the exact same phone. From the exact same factory with the exact same hardware.

For some reason Motorola has published different features (like FM radio on XT883) but not published it on XT862. Or Wireless N on the XT862 but not XT883. It exists on both phones, regardless of what Motorola published.

The ROM on the XT883 drains much more power which is why the battery life is published lower. The XT883 ROM also uses a different CDMA configuration, requiring a RUIM to function. This is why the XT883 radio will not work with Verizon when flashed to an XT862.

The XT883 system uses different partition sizes which is why tools like CWM/Safestrap for XT862 will not work.

The XT883 can flash an XT862 SBF and vice versa.

Anyone with an XT883 can convert it to an XT862 and have access to the wider amount of third party support available for it.

The XT860 is a completely different phone hardware entirely. Different chipset and flashing an XT883 or XT862 SBF could brick it.
[Motorola Droid 3] MrObvious:
I would get the 860 for GSM or 862.
[Motorola Droid 3] Joe_PDA:
RWALEY,

Thank you for your reply. it seems like it is the most informative so far. You really seem to know this phone well. I decided to buy the XT883 version from a vendor in Hong Kong. All the other versions I found here, I had been warned may not work on USA GSM networks. GSM is what I need for USA and China usage. I won't be using or need CDMA. I have a few questions:

Do you recommend that I root this and load a different rom? Especially considering battery drain issue?

Is their a rom you recommend?

Everywhere I look, the specs list the wifi as just B & G but not N. Are you sure XT883 includes N also?

If CWM/Safestrap do not work on the XT883, can you recommend what I should use?

Thanks,

Joe
[Motorola Droid 3] RWALEY:
It definitely has Wireless N. The same exact wifi chipset is present on the XT883 and XT862.

There might be some workarounds to rig a 3rd party bootstrap to the native XT883 ROM but your best bet would be to flash an XT862 SBF and ROM and then follow the instructions in this thread to keep the XT883 radio:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1406812

I uploaded some newer radios later in the thread. Post 196 is the easiest to use.

This method allows any XT862 or modified XT883 running an XT862 SBF to work on USA and International GSM networks.

- One other thing to note. I tested the XT883 with the XT862 .890 SBF. Not tested with .906 and not recommended to flash anything other than .890
[Motorola Droid 3] Joe_PDA:
RWALEY

Thanks for the quick reply.

Good news about the wireless-N.

According to the ebay seller, who I've used reliably before, this phone will come unlocked for all GSM networks, including USA (T-Mobile) networks.

Considering this, do I still need to flash a different rom or radio?

I'm new to android and Motorola phones, so not clear about this.

Is rooting needed to freely add any app I want?

Is rooting the same as unlocking the bootloader?

Thanx

Joe
[Motorola Droid 3] RWALEY:
The phone you are getting is going to be unlocked but you will not be able to do much 3rd party wise. You will have the China Mobile ROM most likely. If everything works for you then you can just leave it as is.

If you want to have access to the wider amount of 3rd party modifications, you will have to convert the phone software to XT862. It is unfortunate because you likely paid a higher price for the XT883 but as of right now there is not much XT883 development.

If you flash to XT862 you will need to flash back the XT883 radio and build.prop so you have USA GSM support. Otherwise, the XT862 radio blocked USA GSM bands.

Rooting is only necessary for some applications, and has nothing to do with the bootloader. There is a kexec bootloader in progress for the XT862 if you are interested in completely changing the kernel.
[Motorola Droid 3] Joe_PDA:
What are some of the main apps I would need the XT883 rooted to use?