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[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Heres the short story on what happened guys:

[19:40] == wildstang83 [aefd43e9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.HIDDEN] has joined #unrevokedtest

[19:41] <wildstang83> Found out today by reports from a few members on XDA that the new GB update for the HTC Droid Incredible does in fact break s-off

[19:41] <wildstang83> I am curious if this issue has been brought up already?

[19:46] <wildstang83> Or am I asking in the wrong section, are/irc/whatever

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> sorry, i was getting that link for someone else

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> i missed your question

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> lemme scroll back

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> what do you mean "it breaks s-off" ?

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> do u mean it makes it so you cannot apply s-off once you upgrade?

[19:47] <@ZanzDroid> like with the evo 4g?

[19:48] <wildstang83> Well according to the guys that flashed the zip ruu it actually removed s-off

[19:48] <@ZanzDroid> if you have s-off already, it should stay just fine.. as it is radio s-off

[19:48] <@ZanzDroid> HACK YOUR PHONE!

[19:48] <wildstang83> oh lol its not my phone

[19:48] <wildstang83> im just trying to help figure this out for them, lol

[19:49] <wildstang83> here i can get the direct link to the conversation if it would help with understanding on whats going on

[19:50] <@ZanzDroid> ok

[19:50] <wildstang83> http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16890587&postcount=67

[19:50] <wildstang83> Pretty much just read from that post on down

[19:51] <@ZanzDroid> you're not leading me on a 100+ post thready i hope

[19:51] <wildstang83> This is the first we've heard of this happening and are well aware that the devices should have stayed s-off regardless.

[19:52] <wildstang83> thats why we're all confused like huh? whats going on here, lol

[19:52] <wildstang83> nah its only like two pages. ican get you the exact post links if you like

[19:59] <@ZanzDroid> it looks like the person that lost s-off, intentionally flashed s-on before updating

[20:00] <@ZanzDroid> as long as you don't flash s-on, you will be fine

[20:01] <wildstang83> Ok good info. Should I put in a better warning to my OP then? I kinda feel bad since this was my thread...

[20:01] <@ZanzDroid> after updating to GB and keeping S-OFF, you will just need a PB31IMG.zip file with CWM, and it will flash fine

[20:02] <@ZanzDroid> from within CWM, you can flash the su-file... it will be process similar to the one i'm about to link you to, but you will need to modify it for the Incredible, instead of the evo..

[20:02] <@ZanzDroid> !info soff-noroot

[20:02] <@NookieBot> SOFF-NOROOT = If you have an EVO4G, and have S-OFF, but no root go here: http://noobgui.de/wiki/index.php?title=What_to_do_if_you're_S-OFF_but_can't_get_root | This also works on EVO 4G, with GB, but ONLY if you are S-OFF!

[20:03] <wildstang83> Ok yea that was the same info provided in my OP

[20:05] <wildstang83> Hey thanks for your time guys. I'm up out of here. Keep up the good work

[20:06] <@ZanzDroid> good luck!

[20:06] <@ZanzDroid> let us know how it goes for you...

[20:06] <wildstang83> Thanks
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Updated OP with a stronger warning. Please pay attention to what you are doing guys!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Wow, that's good information..

The unrevoked devs mentioned a PB31IMG.zip with Clockworkmod...

Does that exist anywhere for download?

In my attempts to put together my own (swapping recovery.img), I can't get my DINC's Bootloader to recognize the zip. It looks like it's about to flash, but then I get the main Bootloader screen again.

Any further help is appreciated.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Also, is there anything I could flash via bootloader to get s-off back? Or something that can be done with unrevoked3?

I'll keep checking these threads for updates.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] donnyp1:
If your s-on with the new gb leak, i would say your out of luck, but u never know

If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Your right Don. Thats what we are all saying here. We just wait. Sorry for those that flashed this without knowing about the s-on complication.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Hey guys everyone should check this out. You can get governers for our phones. I now have conservative and smartss.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1216306
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
It looks like you need ClockWork Mod installed for these to do anything..

Do these Governors Root a DINC with 2.3?

Or at the very least, can they remove s-on?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
No you dont need cwm and this has nothing to do with root or s-off except you need them to use whats in the link. Sorry dude. These are governers for the kernel, they controll cpu scaling.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Not sure if this would work, someone chime in if not but have you tried reverting to stock froyo android 2.2 with an official verizon ruu using your pc?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] k_nivesout:
Don't think that would work, IIRC hboot will not allow downgrading with S-ON.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
He's right. Bootloader gives an error that the .zip you are attempting to flash is an older version, then stops.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Quilombo:
Apologize if I missed it but I flashed/updated this leak and now would like to go back to my previous pure android aosp/ Seems I have S-OFF but cant get into recovery. When I try, gives me an error screen and i have to do a battery pull. Any ideas?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
Did you flash a custom recovery and superuser after you installed the RUU? If not then you need to download CWM 3.0.0.8 from dougpiston.com, rename the file to PB31IMG.zip (make sure if you do this on a pc that it is not named PB31IMG.zip.zip), place it on teh root of your sdcard and flash it through hboot. Then download superuser (su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed) to the root of your sdcard, go into recovery and select install zip from sdcard.

link to recovery

http://dougpiston.com/?page_id=85

link to superuser app

http://downloads.androidsu.com/superuser/
[Droid Incredible Android Development] badogg:
I don't know why anyone would load this Rom instead of the rooted OTA's from either Joel or Incubus that are available unless they are wanting to lose root. It has been pretty clear that you are going to loose root by flashing this, so why flash it when there are Rom's that won't break root available that is the same darn thing???
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
I know what you mean but I myself like to live life on the edge. But in all honesty I had been saying in posts before it dropped that if you had s-off and took the OTA you could restore root easily and I wanted to prove what I had said. Otherwise I would have just flashed a custom ROM.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
I was not talking about using a zip file i ment an ruu.exe that you use on your pc with the phone connected.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Quilombo:
Thanks a lot for taking the time to write this up. Followed your directions and now I'm back up to my old ROM. Was in the middle of this note when we felt the earthquake aftermath (nyc area)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
That sounds promising... would you happen to know of a download link to one of these .exe files? Would love to try that.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Check out this.

http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-...mplest-instructions-ever-windows-xp-only.html
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Killing me...

Bootloader is too new for the update utility to switch out. This thing is locked tighter than Fort Knox.

Damn...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
I had the exact same experience with my Eris when I installed a leak of the 2.0 OTA. It was like 3 months before someone found a way to get in. There were a lot of people working on rooting it too unlike teh Inc which just has Unrevoked.

You could try and see if z4root will at least give you temporary root to get the bloat off. It used to be available in the market and not sure if the link in the thread below still works as I can't get it to open with the security on my work computer.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=833953
[Droid Incredible Android Development] donnyp1:
Just curious, does anyone know of anyone who actually got an ota on an unrooted dinc yet to confirm that this was the ota?

If ive helped you, please hit the damn thanks button!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] badogg:
I quit following it. It was still delayed last I heard though.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
From all the forums I've been on I haven't seen one person say they got it. I think all that can be confirmed right now is that this is a leak of what possibly could have been and still might be our OTA.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Seems very close to ota standard but it has a couple bugs, probably why it was delayed since they are some pretty noticeable bugs. Ie screen resize issue and wallpaper going back to stock sometimes after a reboot.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] brownsfan:
Hey guys I also have a Tbolt so I frequent both forums. It recently had an RUU update as well.

They use this method to keep root.

http://themikmik.com/showthread.php...TC-Thunderbolt&p=106153&viewfull=1#post106153

Couldn't we do a similar process to update and keep root?

Edit: Nevermind, saw kzoodroid has the process posted.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Alright, last question...

If I wanted to create a new PB31IMG.zip with Clockworkmod in it, what files, besides recovery.img, would I have to replace/edit?

Conversely, say I wanted to roll the firmware back to stock 2.2... Is there something I can do to edit 'android-info.txt' with the new firmware's ID/date so the bootloader can be 'tricked' into thinking it's a new update?

I'm using 7Zip to extract/re-zip these files. I've made some changes based on what I'm describing, only the bootloader performs its standard check for PB31IMG.zip/etc, then goes back to the main bootloader screen.

Am I close? Is this a possibility? Or not, since I have s-on?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
Not totally sure on this but I think the main problem is that you can't just rezip that file after editing it as it needs to be signed by htc (which only htc can do) since you have s-on.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
You would never extract the original PB31IMG.zip. You would just 'open' it with 7Zip and drag what you want into it and then close it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Not sure if it is possible but here is a stock froyo ruu with stock recovery replaced with clockwork recovery, and android-info changed to make it think its gingerbread you are installing.

http://mc-pdfd-live.dyndns.org/droid/stock_froyo/PB31IMG.zip

Worth a try. Good luck.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
You could try putting an older version of android-info into it but I think it would still require s-off to run. At least from my understanding of how to make hboot flashable files which is prety limited.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
Hey stang you used to have an eris right? I went back into the AF threads for the eris as I remember a lot of talk on making flashable hboot files in there. Brought back some memories from some great guys, erisuser1, scotty85 and scary alien. The basic gist of what I read is that HTC's signature is in the header of the PB31IMG zip file and any modifications made to it will cause the file to fail to run if you have s-on. Even if you don't open it and just drag and drop something into it you still need to resign it with HTC signature to get it ot run with s-on.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Well i guess that says it all sounds like no way back to s-off until or if htc unlocks the bootloader on their site. And someone correct me if im wrong but unrevoked will probably never come up with a fix for this as it requires an older radio to be installed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
The problem with the Inc is that it doesn't have all the different people working on root like the Eris had. Hell the Eris even at one point had a root method you downloaded from the market and ran right off the phone. Unrevoked came up with a method right away for the Inc and that was it now everyones dependant upon them to do it. God if someone could get an hboot file to root teh Inc that would be like the holy grail. You'd no longer need Unrevoked you could just flash a custom recovery in a PB31IMG file in hboot and be done with it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Yea I'm familiar with these guys. I learned some good stuff from them as well. Matter of fact, erisuser1 is also bftb0 here on XDA. He is a fountain of knowledge and I doubt anyone could come close to doing the research on these types of things as he could do.

However, my knowledge on these types of things is limited as I was just a simple user back when all this research was going on. Never thought I would have to actually look back on this info. I know that I don't have access to or can even replicate HTC's signature process, I'm just simply assuming there must be a way to do it because it has been done before. Doug Piston's flashbacks prove that. Unless the signature process has changed dramatically since then. I wonder myself what it would take to sort-of trick hboot into believing its viewing a true PB31IMG.zip and accept one with a custom recovery. I can add that I believe this may have to be done without including the radio in this test PB31IMG.zip. The radio can break root and can also cause a hardware brick if the radio write process fails for whatever reason.

I'm sorta wrapped up in working out an update for one of my Roms so I wouldn't be able to dedicate any time to the project but I know there is enough good and smart people to bump heads here and work something out. Any thoughts?

EDIT: That might be the key. What radio are these locked guys on and can they flash back to 7.28?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Downloading now, will try anything at this point. Thank you. You guys are sure on your game!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
I've never flashed a radio, its done as an update.zip file in recovery right? Can you do that with the stock recovery? I think the flashbacks still require s-off to work. Erisuser1 used a hex dump to look at the zip header and said that the HTC signature is encrypted so you can't even see it to see what it says. I had played around with hex dumps and hex editors last summer but no longer have the computer setup to do it. You really need someone with a lot more time and expereince to look at this. Be nice to see what those guys on AF could come up with, Scotty 85 said he had an Inc but don't know if he has an account here.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Probably wont work see above posts.

What radio are you on?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
2.15.10.07.07

And sadly, it did not work. I get the loading sequence at bootloader, where it looks for PB31IMG.zip, but then reverts back to the main menu...

curses! Anyone want my phone, so they can try and root it.. then send it back? haha.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
have you tried z4root to at least try and get temporary root?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=872344

post #6 has a working link to the file

tried to pm bftb0 but he has pm turned off.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Sorry to say your more than likley screwed unless htc gives us the option at some point in the future to unlock the bootloader. :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Best bet for someone with some knowledge would probably be to get ahold of the files used on the htc site for the evo3d or sensation boot unlocker, and try and figure out a way to modify it to work on the incredible.

EDIT: nevermind now that i look at the process used it would not work.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Running now, though it looks like the app just "hangs" while it is running the exploit sequence. Not sure how long it's supposed to take.

You have all been most helpful.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Actually no the radio is flashed through the hboot just like a RUU PB31IMG.zip

What I'm getting at here guys is if these guys that are locked are not on the 7.28 radio then the stock froyo PB31IMG.zip will fail.

I suggest that you guys that are locked to grab this radio: http://dougpiston.com/files/Radios/PB31IMG-radio-2.15.00.07.28.zip MD5: AF6E0A2E00B74C71E90C3E17AAD7FFC5

Rename it PB31IMG.zip and flash it through hboot...that is if it will flash.

Please report back.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] k_nivesout:
I don't know if the problem is with the radio, I thought the issue is that with S-ON, you can't flash ANYTHING in hboot that isn't signed by HTC, nor can you downgrade.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Thats not entirely true. the first rule of rolling back to stock froyo is if your on a custom radio you must flash back to the 7.28 radio. Doesn't matter s-on. If this was the case about s-on I wouldn't have been able to get my last two refurbs.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Here from dougpiston.com:

Please Note: At the time that this was written the 9.01 was the next up radio. Same rule still applies up till now.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
I thought the only reason they tell you to go back is because most tutorials are aimed at getting you back to stock with s-on. In order to use the s-on tool you need to be on a supported radio ie 7.28. The real issue and problem here is if your s-on you cant flash anything not signed by htc. Therfore no changing anything, no radio, rom, or bootloader. So since he cant downgrade his radio unrevoked will not work and probably never will, since unrevoked requires one of several older radios. So in other words hes stuck unrooted untill htc allows unlocking the bootloader wich by the sound of the documentation is not going to happen. It says they will only support 2011 and after produced phones.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
What I'm asking is has he attempted to go back to the 7.28 radio? Guys we have a fellow that is locked down. Granted it is his fault for the position he's in. The thing is now we have a prime chance to figure out how to root GB. Unless nobody else cares?

Its his device so he can choose what he tries. If it was me I'd be flashing the RUU or radio or hboot or recovery. I'd be flashing SOMETHING and report back success or failure.

Anythings worth a shot for the sake of development.

I'm likely wrong about the radio but the guys that have pioneered this same issue before and written documentation for us weren't just wasting time so we could ignore where they have already been.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
I agree anything is worth a shot. But that being said the only way gb will ever be rooted from a stock s-on incredible is if unrevoked or some other devs figure out the 2.15.10 series of radios and make them compatible with unrevoked or similar tool. Thats if htc hasnt somehow put a stop to the exploit, and if they have that means more than modifiying the old way of rooting but finding a whole new one. And on a phone this old i doubt if to many people will be working on it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Ok, the Radio Rollback was also not recognized by the Bootloader. This thing is a toughie... Keep throwing ideas my way, I've flashed/booted/copied/pasted just about anything and everything.

Bit of Background on me... T-Mobile G1 owner since launch. Have owned a Moto DROID & this DINC is my latest Android phone... All of them rooted, so I like to think I know what I'm doing, but this may be the issue that has finally defeated me.

Bright side to this is I still have a highly functional Device with a snappy firmware, 2.3. It's just I can't stand not being able to throw a new sense 3.0 ROM on this thing whenever I feel like it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
I've been reading up on some of the exploits used to root and it doesn't look good. The GB kernel supposedly closed the last one but I'm not entirely positive. You might try going to the Unrevoked site and asking if they will update root for the Incredible as I'm sure once the OTA drops any refurbished phones Verizon ships will eventually have root blocked too. Not to mention all the people who've never rooted and take the OTA will be blocked too so chances are good that they might update it. At least if you ask it will be on their radar screen to udate.

Their is a manual method to root the Eris that captainkyrtek wrote up, not sure if he's still the forum mod over there or not, but he's a good person to ask if it might work on the inc. Unless the exploit is closed but hell any thing at this point is worth a try.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Yup especially since VZW is trying to patch up all the exploits they can before they release the bootloader unlocker. They want to be able to track who is rooting and who isn't. We may be out of luck on this one boys. Well and also considering the EVO guys still don't have it yet.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Hey if he went into build.prop and changed his ro.build.fingerprint to make it apear to vzw ota that he was running stock 2.1 or 1.whatever his phone would download and tell him there was an update available to 2.2. Now that update would be properly signed so there should not be an issue there, however would it install or would it give a cant downgrade error? If it did install it would also install the correct radio for use with unrevoked as it is part of the 2.2 ota.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
It wouldn't even work. That update was pulled from the servers awhile ago. He wouldn't even be able to edit his built.prop either...need root.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
That was a total brain fart lol. I guess if your not rooted you couldnt modify build.prop lol.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
Not true about the servers i just changed mine to say i was on 2.1 and rebooted then did a *#*#checkin#*#* and it offered me the update to 2.2
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Oh really? I wonder if it would actually download.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
It does download. Ive changed mine to say im on 2.2 now so that way i will still be notified when vzw pushes the official official gb 2.3.4 ota.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
wait.. so is this something I might be able to do?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wildstang83:
Oh cool. Thats good info to know. Although this will not help currently locked GB users.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
you will get a notification but there is some debate as to if it will actually install if you have a custom recovery instead of the stock. the threads i saw on it over at af said to get the stock recovery from dougpiston.com and install it first.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kzoodroid:
no. but once the real ota drops you will at least be able to run that ruu. maybe that will fix things who knows.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] cmlusco:
It in fact will not install without the stock recovery installed, but once i get the notification i will flash the stock recovery and then let the ota install then flash back to cw recovery and re-root. :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] deadsoulboy:
Does Unrevoked have a forum, or something? The closest I could get to contacting them was to DM them on their Twitter feed, and I am not that savvy with IRC...