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[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
UberKernel at 1.5GHz is the safe, stable alternative.

The 1.7GHz point seems to be stable on just about all devices too, and will likely be added to UberKernel in the coming weeks.

On the other hand, 1.9GHz makes most devices non-bootable, so will never be added to UberKernel.

The danger lies in overclocking your device to a frequency to which your particular piece of hardware (which is different to everyone else's particular piece of hardware) stops reliably executing processor instructions, and corrupts your filesystem to the point where you need to use the webOS Doctor to recover your device. That has never happened with a kernel from our stable feeds. That regularly happens when we push the boundaries with the kernels in the alpha feeds (as that is exactly what the alpha feeds are designed for - to find the extreme boundaries of stability).

Stability has nothing to do with the updating procedure itself, which is the same for all our WebOS Internals kernels, and which has been proven reliable over the course of over two years.

Now you have all the information, the path forward is yours to choose.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
Sounds good. So if I wanted to install uberkernel I could just uninstall f15, shut down, turn the TP back on, install uberkernel, shut down again, and then it should be good to go once I turned back on? I don't have to mess with any feeds or anything more complicated then that, right?

EDIT: And I have figured something out (I guess). OK, so I deleted govnah and reinstalled it. After I did that the profile that it was automatically set to was "unknown" and both of my cpu's were overclocked. The second cpu would come on when needed up to 1.7 which is what the first cpu is overclocked to as well. If I went to click on "unknown" to change the settings, it would automatically switch to some default profile that had it overclocked to only 1.5. As soon as this profile was accessed, my second core stopped functioning according to govnah no matter what I did and no matter what profiles I set. I have absolutely no idea what this means or why this is true, but I did it a couple times and each time that is what happened. So as of now I know that according to govnah, with the default profile of "unknown," my touchpad is overclocked to 1.7 on both cores. I plan on not messing with it at all and basically never opening govnah again...just letting it do its thing on "unknown." Once again I have absolutely no idea why this is happening. Just figured I would throw this info out there.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
You're using an alpha or beta kernel, and are incorrectly assuming the Govnah has been updated to control it correctly.

Yet another case of using alpha or beta items without the full information or following the official threads on PreCentral where these items are developed and the current status documented.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
In the thread on f15 on precentral it says nothing about it not working with govnah...it says something about an error when trying to change settings and it says that should be reported in the govnah thread. It seems like everyone in the know is being ambiguous about the whole second core issue...it looks like there was info about the second core originally in the original post about f15 but it was edited out a week or so ago. The whole thing kind of confuses me.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
It's an alpha kernel. You should expect it's characteristics to change from week to week (and even day to day in some cases).

If you want stability, and perfect operation with associated tools, then stick to stable release kernels.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
I guess since I don't know what it said in the OP initially I can't make judgment on it. From the other posts in the thread it was obviously addressed in the OP but I guess it was updated once there wasn't an issue with it any more...which makes sense. And the characteristics of any one version of an alpha kernel (like the one on my touchpad) won't change unless I upgrade it, right?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Correct, it will still be a bleeding-edge experimental alpha kernel which could corrupt your filesystem at any time without warning until you change it.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
Well hopefully that doesn't happen :D. Hopefully webos doctor comes through if it does happen. I am banking on it not happening though. If it does happen maybe Uberkernel will be up to 1.7 by that point and I will just switch to that.
[TouchPad Development] decalex:
@rwhitby curious, what do you use to backup your system? Aside from save/restore on preware, and/or just copying everything thru terminal, wondering if you have or use a better solution.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
I use Google and Save/Restore.

To take a full filesystem-level backup when I change devices, I use the backup target in MetaDoctor.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] uEih:
are the stable 1.7 almost coming? I didn't want to go through all that to enable beta feeds.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
"in the coming weeks"

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] bmwboyee:
When I try and add webos-testing-all i am getting:

The instructions you are following are obsolete. See http://testing.preware.org/

Whats the deal now?

in order to overclock with uberkernel will I need to do that step?
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
Read through the thread a little bit (particularly the last 5 pages or so). I don't think you need to do that step to overclock with uberkernal, though I am not positive. I think you just need to download uberkernel in preware. Shut off the touchpad after you install it and boot it back up again. I really don't know though so don't take my word on it as 100%.

EDIT: on a side note, since uberkernal is not experimental and is stable, can you just install it from preware like any other program and have it run without a problem? Basically follow the directions in the first post of the thread up until preware is downloaded, and then just find and download uberkernel and govnah, do a hard resart, and you are good to go?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
http://bit.ly/phd-ac has detailed and step-by-step instructions on how to overclock using the stable feeds.

Yes, it's as easy as installing UberKernel and Govnah from Preware and selecting a profile.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Just wondering, did you post this before or after reading testing.preware.org thoroughly?

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
LOL, right? He gets an error saying to go to a website to see what the problem is but he doesn't check it and posts here.
[TouchPad Development] uEih:
I'm overclocked at 1.5 and sometimes it tells me I have too many cards open even though its only like 8 total..is there anyone else that gets this?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
This is fixed in UberKernel 3.0.2-68 in the beta feed, which will be in the public feed in less than an hour.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] tr82691:
ok so i got the obsolete messages and enabled the beta and alpha releases.. for some reason when i try to install any kernel it keeps failing.. any clue why?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Have you followed the instructions in the first post of the official experimental kernel threads on PreCentral that are linked from the official experimental kernel wiki pages on WebOS-Internals.org that are linked from the kernel package descriptions in Preware ?

(Hint: IPKG Log)

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] tr82691:
yes i did all that and packages are installed correctly. everything else installs fine... its just the kernels that wont install

EDIT: i installed the original kernel and attempted to install F15C and now everything works fine :)
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
I presume you attempted to install a second kernel without uninstalling the first one. The IPKG Log (you really should have posted that as an attachment to your original question) would have shown file verification errors.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rebelduke:
Any chance you could update these instructions based on the latest changes contained in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds ? I've read it twice and am still confused as to how to proceed....... yes I know all the smart people will say if I don't understand it I shouldn't be trying to do it.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Have you found, read and understood the recovery instructions so that you can make your device bootable again after a bleeding-edge experimental kernel causes filesystem corruption?

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rebelduke:
I've read and I think I understand the section "How to Recover" located at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover. However, I didn't think that changing my clock speed from 1.2 to 1.5 was "bleeding edge". I was hoping for "leading edge".
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
The TouchPad 1.5GHz UberKernel is in the stable feed. You don't need (or want) testing feeds for that. http://bit.ly/phd-ac has full instructions for overclocking to 1.5GHz using the stable feeds.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] largemansmay:
Just wondering, does paying a dollar for the document end up in the same place as donating to you?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
There are pros and cons:

Keeping the documentation app at the top of the paid apps list by purchasing it and leaving a five star review means more exposure for webOS homebrew to new users, but HP keep 30% of price (same as Apple or Google). It is also kept up to date if anything changes in the instructions (as it did for the TouchPad compared to the phones).

Donating directly only incurs PayPal fees.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] ilogik:
Does that OC both cores?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
It always has. Any misinformation you may have read otherwise is incorrect.

I'll repeat it again: All webOS custom kernels for the TouchPad have always overclocked both cores.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] decalex:
Edit 10char
[TouchPad Development] B3AmEr:
i only activated the dev-mode for installing preware...requires the kernel installing the de-mode to be on?
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Developer mode is orthogonal to kernel installation.

Are you running the 3.0.2 version of webOS ? ("latest" is never a valid answer to the question "what version are you running?")

If so, install the Palm recovery kernel from Preware, and then install the new kernel. There is no need to reboot between them, but you do need to reboot afterwards.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] B3AmEr:
yes, i am on 3.0.2-68. this is the latest version of webos. after work i try to install the recovery kernel and then the warthog kernel...do i need to add feeds, when i install the warthog ipg via internalz? somewhere i read that is enough to install the ipkg direct without add the preware feeds...
[TouchPad Development] ipguy:
outdated guide error ?

hi

when i try to add the "http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all

" feed i get an error message stating that I am following an outdated guide ??
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
That is correct. I'm wondering why you posted here first before going to the website it tells you to go to?

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
You should make a decision whether you are going to participate in the beta testing, and then follow the beta testing instructions precisely.

Installing an .ipk manually without using Preware is not part of the beta testing instructions.

Posting the raw beta feed URL is also a violation of the obligations you agree to when participating in the beta testing. Before you continue you should re-read testing.preware.org very carefully, and adjust your post accordingly.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] decalex:
I just googled orthogonal :-)

Will edit my post up there.

Thx Rod, u don't by chance have a clone to help out with this thread, do u? ;)
[TouchPad Development] ipguy:
because after reading "Enabling the Beta Testing Feeds" at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds i'm no close to understanding the problem.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Read the whole page, carefully.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] B3AmEr:
okay i edit my post. i was thinking, the iphk files are open sources. my mistake. i read testing.prewar (thx it is in german too) and i know what you mean. but the reason why i ask about the ipk install, was that i read that the ipk install are easyer as to add all feeds in preware. :S there are no bad hidden agendas
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
The kernels are distributed under the GPL. Source code is available at git.webos-internals.org and opensource.palm.com

Participating in the beta testing, and having an expectation of any support or assistance comes with obligations, which are outlined on testing.preware.org

Installing an isolated kernel ipk file outside of Preware, without adding the feeds, would mean that you are not automatically notified of any updates to that kernel. Which means you are not fulfilling your obligations as a beta tester, since you will likely be reporting your beta testing experiences against an out of date kernel.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rebelduke:
The best .99 cents I've ever spent. I installed the Preware Homebrew Documentation and am now running @ 1.5GHz. Thank you.
[TouchPad Development] ipguy:
can someone please update the original post.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Unfortunately, since it's a forum thread and not a community-maintained wiki page like testing.preware.org is, only the original poster can update the post.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] decalex:
Anyone know of a good resource for touchpad ubuntu - lxde shortcuts (Bluetooth keyboard with chromium, specifically, ). I've checked the main ubuntu touchpad threads on precentral and xda etc.

Or even the location of the preferences file in lxde?

. . NS4G . . CM7 . .
[TouchPad Development] Sebz4n:
Is it stable at 1.9Ghz?
[TouchPad Development] Colchiro:
I have two TP's. My wife's 16 gb is stable at 1.9, my 32 gb is not.
[TouchPad Development] Netuser:
hi,

I have an issue, my TP is not reconginized by the WebOs Quick install, i have rebooted serveral time, reinstall dirvers, tried other USB port, nothing is helping :( When i turn usb drive mode, It is detected as hard drive and work file to copy file, but not in WebOs :(

Anyone have any idea how to fix it ? I am win 7 premium 64 bits

TP OS is uptodate and it is 16gb
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Have you tried the troubleshooting tips in Jason Robitaille's WOSQI homebrew guide app ? (he's the author of WOSQI).

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] Netuser:
Ignore my question, I stupiditly skipped step 3 to activate Dev mode :( sorry, it is worrkign now

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I have an other issue, when i try to add news feed it says , i am using an obsolete guide :S what am i doing wrong ?

And some of the feed are already in the list, exepct that awsome one, but i cant enter it either :(

Another issue, I cant find F15C Eagle (Touchpad) in the list ? how to get it ?

Thanks
[TouchPad Development] Nburnes:
You have read this carefully and thoroughly correct?

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
[TouchPad Development] Bacardi Man:
How do I get access to the linux command line?
[TouchPad Development] Nburnes:
Novacom, novaterm, xterm, etc.
[TouchPad Development] AdamLC:
Hey guys!

Sorry if this has been answered already. But I am having problems overclocking!

I have been happily running Warthog Kernal at 1.7 for ages! I finally got round to upgrading PreWare with the new feeds etc.

I upgraded Warthog and lost my overclock! :(

I have tried the following without any luck!

1. Uninstalled Warthog

2. Reboot

3. Install Palm Default

4. Reboot

5. Install Warthog again

6. Reboot

I still don't have any overclock speeds. I have tried the same with F4! Any ideads anyone? :)
[TouchPad Development] AdamLC:
I tried all sorts and in the end I had to doctor it and reinstall everything! Not the end of the world just a bit of a pain!
[TouchPad Development] kongming:
have a question here, i read and follow the steps, done almost everyting and flash the kernal, however, i cannot modified the clockspeed on Govnah. it set to 1.18Ghz...

any solution?
[TouchPad Development] deeman:
Open WebOS install on your desktop,Then click tools and select linux commandline :D
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Which step in http://bit.ly/phd-ac is not working for you?

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] jpcdeux:
Still disappointingly slow
[TouchPad Development] kongming:
i have an 3.0.2 out of box touchpad. but when i trying to add new feed on steps 6, it prompt me an error massage say the way to add feed is obsolete and guide me to the link below:

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds

then, there are alpha and beta testing, must i add both or just beta feed?

fyi, i did succefully install the urberkernel, but still, after i restart my tp, govnah still show 1.188 the highest.
[TouchPad Development] Colchiro:
Just beta.

Delete your overclock profile, then uninstall both, reboot.

Install Govnah, then uberkernel, then create a new overclock profile.
[TouchPad Development] kongming:
thanks for the fast respond

how to delete the overclock profile? i don't see any option to delete.

uninstall both?

sorry and appreciate your help.
[TouchPad Development] Colchiro:
You can delete the profile in Govnah. Just swipe to the right to delete it. If you can't find it, try just uninstalling both.
[TouchPad Development] GManLynx:
I am trying to overclock my touchpad to 1.7, and I went to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Testing_Feeds_Q.26A to try what they say, and every time i enter the command line nothing happens. What am I doing wrong? I am typing it correctly nad I uninstalled preware and I even tried restarting it. I am using Xecutah

Edit: Nevermind after some googling I think I found it

EDIT: So I enabled both beta and alpha, since after enabling beta only it still did not work. So... now I have them both enabled, I have their feeds on, and it still is not working. Any ideas?
[TouchPad Development] kongming:
we are on the same boat. :(
[TouchPad Development] thunderrodriguez:
I've been trying to add the feeds in to Preware, but I keep getting the message "The instructions you are following are obsolete."

I've followed what they tell you to do to the device using the Linux Commandline in the Tools tab of QuickInstall but it doesn't work. Not sure what to do.

I'm using Windows 7 64-bit and clicking Linux Commandline loads Windows Command Prompt.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
A windows command prompt which is a linux command line onto the device via novacom.

Have you tried completing the instructions exactly as shown from that point?

Note that thousands of people have completed those instructions as-is without issue, but if further clarification on any point is required, it's a wiki page and we encourage folks to add clarifications for corner cases.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
You should also disable the profile (app menu on profiles page) before deleting it, if it is the active profile.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] thunderrodriguez:
I was able to access the Linux terminal using novaterm and I enabled the beta and alpha feeds but when I went back to add the webos-testing-all and webos-testing-armv7 feeds I still kept getting the "process is obsolete" message. Turns out Preware already had those feeds installed after I enabled alpha and beta feeds and all I had to do was flip their switches to On and then I could finish the process.

I installed Govnah successfully and the F15C UnixPsycho kernel successfully and all worked great for a bit. It went fast until I restarted my Touchpad, then Govnah reported the processor frequencies as being at 1.188GHz again. I tried to raise the maximum frequency in the settings of Govnah but the highest value it had was 1.188GHz instead of 1.7GHz. Any idea why this is?
[TouchPad Development] c_licious:
Not working properly

Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, the instructions are not working for me.

When I include "http://" in the feed address I get "The instructions you are following are obsolete." as has been mentioned by several posters before me. When I omit the "http://" part I can create a new feed but it will give me errors when the feeds are updated.

I was able to download everything but the 1.9 kernel. I installed uberkernel for now but I would like to try overclocking to 1.7.

Any ideas? Help would be much appreciated!
[TouchPad Development] kongming:
okay, after few hours of strugling, i manage to OC by install urber kernels!

i think i mass up something with 3.0.2, so i decided to to give 3.0.3 a try.

so i download n upgraded to 3.0.3. everything works as fast. so i thought should i try again on OC kernel?

so i follow the steps again, onli add beta feeds, install preware, install kernel, install govnah, totally shut down.

after i restart, i run govnah and see the 1.5Ghz option there! hurray ....

so i belive for the 3.0.2 is the same thing, just doctor it and should be able to OC.

==========================================================================

i will write up what i did and hopefully can someone enlighten me which steps is wrong. appreciate.

1. revert to factory default (device info - reset option - Full erase)

2. setting up account

3. install WebOSQuickInstall

4. install testing feed (beta only) via command line

5. enable the all beta feed, restart

6. install preware

7. search for uber kernel (tried f4 also), restart

8. install govnah via preware, restart

im able to see the uber kernel icon, however, when i run govnah, i don't seem to to be able to select any clockspeed higher than 1.188Ghz.

what's wrong have i done? thanks.

and sorry for my bad english.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
How many of the people having trouble installed the Android IPK which permanently changes your kernel and doesn't let you change it again afterwards even after you have uninstalled the Android IPK ?

The solution to that is to use the webOS Doctor and start again.

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Did you post this before or after reading carefully the http://testing.preware.org URL that the message told you to read?

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] rei165:
after finally shoving my pride aside and overcoming my stubbornness, i decided to ask the members for some help. here's a general breakdown of the last two hours:

- uninstalled chompers android

- webOS doctor

- signed in

- in order to save time, i ran through manually adding the feeds via command line (both alpha and beta)

- installed preware via quickinstall

- launched preware, installed certain patches

- enabled alpha/beta kernal feeds

- updated feeds, only to get an error that feeds cannot be updated

ran through disabling, deleting feeds within preware, removing via command line, uninstalled/reinstalled preware, multiple times in various orders. now, im not gonna lie, im gonna be pretty pissed if: a) i need to do another webOS doctor again just because i tried to save time and b) i missed something simple. but i will deeply appreciate any and all help and suggestions.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
Are you sure you have a working network connection on your device?

What was the exact error message you got when you updated the feeds? (post a screenshot)

-- Rod
[TouchPad Development] thunderrodriguez:
That sounds exactly like what I did. I overclocked before trying out the Android IPK and after I stopped using it is when the overclock broke. I used webOSDoctor last night to reset everything and I am going to give it another try tonight.
[TouchPad Development] rei165:
ill post a screen when i get home. i did have a working connection, as all my apps were updating in the background.
[TouchPad Development] rwhitby:
If all your apps were updating in the background, Preware will refuse to install anything until they are all done (otherwise Preware and the App Catalog overwrite each other).

-- Rod