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[WebOS Software and Hacking General] docnas:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=16971920&postcount=27

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[WebOS Software and Hacking General] docnas:
If you build it they will come :P make a build and post it up , someone here will give it a try hell if you give me a proper/detailed walk thru il give it a try myself.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] pinakaeus:
If this works out, I'd love to see Netflix/Pandora/and games on here :D
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] KeithLing1115:
Just wondering if this is just an idea or has someone started actually poking around. This would be great. The WebOS app store is lacking to put it nicely. However I like the WebOS setup. Kind of feels like the BlackBerry Tablet OS which is really nice itself. Really don't know much about any of this as I just got my TP yesterday and really haven't had time to mess with it, but from what I've seen I like it. Hope this gets off the ground and I'm willing to test what ever. Donations also.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] d0lphin:
webOS

Subscribing. I hope you manage to get a good team together
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] 9kracing:
I'm wondering if this thread should be moved to the touchpad section so it gets more exposure?

Believe me, there's a lot of people out there that want to see something like this happen. WebOS is awesome, but with the android app market this tablet would be #1 in my eyes.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
I'd like to help and make this project a possibility and I've PM'ed Roto as well but the last time he logged in was the 26th, so if anybody knows any other way that I can get in touch with him, that would be really appreciated.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] tolymatev:
will these work with touchpad webos 3.2 if it gets done ??
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] docnas:
Well im just guessing this but in his last post he said he was working loosely with the touchdroid team via the irc channel IRC: #touchdroid on freenode. You could try checking out there and hopefully someone can get to him or tell you whats he upto now.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] ishbar:
so i love the idea of an emulator! however, i was thinking it might be easier to build an app of google chrome and then use the online app store( which if im not mistaken has pretty much everything on the android market) to run android apps
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] logan302:
Dead

If the distro that Roto is looking for is dead would Eclipse with ADT or Android.iso in Virtualbox work?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] mburris:
you are mistaken.

Android OS = 250,000 apps

chrome = less than 2,500 apps*

Also the quality of the apps are vastly different.

You are right about one thing, though... Porting Chromium to webOS is more likely to happen than porting a Davlik VM.

If I had to choose between having WebOS or having a decent gmail experience, hundreds of thousands of apps, and a browser that actually renders pages correctly -- goodbye WebOS, hello full android port.

I'm not trying to hate, or **** on anyone's dreams, but honestly from the perspective of someone with a fair amount of experience with the entire technology scene and android internals specifically, I would be very surprised if this ever takes off.

No offense to the original poster, but posting a thread like this does little to transition a mere idea into a tangible implementation. Now if this thread were started by a developer who had already been working on this for weeks and had at least a proof of concept, things would be different.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: something of this scope isn't started by an amateur project manager with an idea, it would have to be helmed by an active group of developers, most likely privately at first, much like teamdouche's approach to getting cm7 on the device.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Daughain:
Also found this; http://www.android-x86.org/
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] FAILHARD:
http://t3c.us/touch/ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K24KdGNLhaTICV1LXSRLdA8GyyrKAP31uj_LrKU8OG0/edit?hl=en_US

Anyone with some knowledge of Android code go there. He released his work on porting Android and noted that he was able to flash an Application boot-loader. This could possible be of help.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] mr_malina:
This is for x86 devices, will not work on the touchpad.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] mburris:
double post. Please delete
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] KeithLing1115:
There should definitely be a link for this over in TouchPad territory. The reason I found it it because of RootzWiki having a post in TouchPad part of their forums.

And I guess this answered my question from an earlier post. There is no movement on this yet. Has anyone started anything. Just curious because this is a great idea. And still willing to test what ever. I wish I had the knowledge to start this project. all i can do is donate.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] mburris:
This has potential. But according to his documentation, he has yet to flash anything -- he doesn't have a touchpad.

If it is possible to merge the drivers referenced in the author's google doc with the touchscreen driver found in the Qualcomm dump we could have a working gingerbread build.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] devize:
I got told on the webos-internals irc channel that the cm7 guys were actually trying to get this done, however they need to get a full port running for hardware optimization otherwise it'd be too slow. Don't know how true this is but I hope it is, I'd much rather have an android player than a full port. Or possibly get android to run in a card so that you can switch to android when you want to use a certain app.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] fadentales:
Can we port this to WEBOS?

http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx

and if not can we port that or this to ubuntu to run android apps?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/AndroidExecutionEnvironment
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] bigsnack:
I have no expertise here, but could the BB QNX OS be any help to us trying to get Android software running on WebOS?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] nunjabusiness:
Although they "opened access" to the source code for Neutrino in 2007, the actual weird-ass licensing scheme they came up with made it impractical for a lot of folks. Then RIM bought QNX last year and restricted code access again.

So, moot really I guess. Sorry.:(
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Roto-rooter:
Sorry for the delay

I apologize immensely for my absence this last week.. it's been a hell of a week for me.. I moved back to school, my girlfriend left for the next year and my apartment back home was destroyed by hurricane Irene.. so I've been a bit tied up.. contrary to some rumors.. the project is NOT dead.. it was just on a temporary hiatus.

Things are settling down though and I want to thank EVERYONE so much for the support you've been offering and the appreciation for the project.. I was shocked when i logged in to see how much attention this has grabbed in the last week and I'm fueled by everyone's enthusiasm.

I will be releasing another post tomorrow as well as returning the numerous private messages I recieved.... But in advance I would like to thank Failhard for providing an awesome logo for the project but also Sthacher for offering hosting space and a subdomain for the project website.

i'f you contacted me with any sort of helpful experience i will be placing you in a team for a certain part of the project... i'm hoping by breaking down the project into pieces each group can work independently toward achieving the end goal..

I will be also selecting a few people to fan out and either promote awareness of PalmDroid on other sites as well as to recruit volunteer android and webos and possibly ubuntu devs... those are still in short supply and their combined knowledge is crucial towards PalmDroids success..

Thank you all again for your continued support and a site should be up within the week.

Sincerely,

Roto-rooter
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] jdearauj:
Brilliant idea. I’ve already started spreading the word and more than willing to donate to the cause.

Keep up the good work!!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] muscal:
Will be happy to donate as well.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] pr0phet129:
Amazing idea man!!!

I have been an active member of precentral for some years, I designed a few themes and memory utilisation tweaks but have been out of touch with webOS for 12 months since my 2 pre's and Pixi+ fell apart. I've been using Android and playing with that for the past 6 months but haven't really got into anything too serious, chroot'd ubuntu on my nexus s.

I also have a technology blog (intomytech.net) so basically, anyway I can help, I'd love to. I will make a dedicated page on my blog for you to keep people upto date. I've been somewhat out of practice with webOS as I've got a web project on at the moment (HTML5, JQuery, CSS3 and PHP) but as I said, I much prefer this projects goals than any other dual booting option, so if I can help, I will.

I managed to get a couple of touchpad to dev and experiment on and I've ordered a Pre3.

Either way, I think this is a cracking idea and I hope I can help!

EDIT: I also would be willing to donate to this project.

EDIT2: Is the official name going to be PalmDroid?

EDIT3: Added PalmDroid page to intomytech blog, intomytech .net /palmdroid/
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] docnas:
Please contact rWhiby , he is ,i guess, the main honcho on webos-internals

http://forums.precentral.net/webos-...-kernel-fastest-comparison-3.html#post3119285

This is a post where he is refering to palmdroid and im sure if you contact him he can help alot .Also he might know of any devs that are working on something similar or any past similar work that was stopped.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
Nice to see the project isn't dead. Also pr0phet129, nice website, and that logo looks great!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] pr0phet129:
I've registered palmdroid.wordpress.com I'll build it up over the next few hours, I'm also doing some research into how we can make this a reality
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] writer:
This is all I need with WebOs,,its a near perfect OS, that is only lacking in the App area!..Keep this thing alive!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Sparks1641:
@ "code.google.com/p/in-the-box/" they ported the dalvik to iOS, it's a good starting point...
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] FAILHARD:
We're probably gonna end up not using this. Roto-Rooter is setting up a real domain which we are probably going to use over this WordPress domain.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Growler48:
Subscribing! This is a great idea! I'm looking forward to seeing this happen. Like most, I like webOS and want to keep it, but want access to the apps on Android.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
I have a lot of experience with Android app development, Java, C++ and I just started playing around with webOS and I'd love to help! I tried sending Roto-Rooter a PM but my outbox says 0 messages :\
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] sednafx:
you have to set that up in your preferences to show outgoing messages.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] leach19m:
Would love to see this up and running, can't wait!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] fit333:
this would be nice...but would be great if apps could interact and there were “set as default” options …………lets just get android ported
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] dmags2:
Isn't something like this is already underway for other platforms (Alien Dalvik)? Though I greatly support the cause, as it would help bring a WP port of Dalvik as well.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
Anybody know where I could possibly get a touchpad for $99? Been looking around everywhere.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] shyam101:
They already have ported android....

http://forums.precentral.net/other-handhelds/278450-android-pre.html

Thats the main forum, then read the bottem of this forum at this link:http://forums.precentral.net/other-handhelds/278450-android-pre-5.html#post2940959

Heres a video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8nOD9zsCj8&feature=player_embedded

Project site:http://code.google.com/p/android-on-pre/

Note: its only for the Pre- so dont do it for the pre+ unless if you want your phone bricked
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] stevenmu:
There's another similar project called IcedRobot (http://www.icedrobot.org/). They're doing an open source port for linux based platforms. One interesting thing that they're doing is trying to convert it to run on OpenJDK avoiding the patent issues that Myriad are running into with Oracle over Alien Dalvik.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] sylau90:
great start guys,look forward to this...I will try my best to gather more developers for you...
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] fast96:
The latest that I have heard is that if you had filled out the "notify me" form on the HP web sale site, there MAY be an additional production run to TRY to fill those requests. Other than that, the ebay retailers are getting over $200 for them.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
I tried, but I can't find the form. Does the form even exist now?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Dwyndal:
happy to follow this and test when available!!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Scotlandd:
Looks like the TouchDroid team is making good progress on the GB 2.3 port to the Touchpad (they have the multitouch screen and graphics acceleration working now, wi-fi is still outstanding). I'm hoping their work could be leveraged as part of this project.

Similar to others on this thread, I am VERY interested in this project (PalmDroid). I would love to have webOS as my main OS and be able to run Android applications with it (ideally one Android app per card but running an entire Android system as a card would also be great). I have both Android and webOS devices and, to me, they complement each other in their strengths. I prefer the OS interface on webOS (cards and notifications) but wish it had all the apps that Android does.

I will make a financial contribution and would be available to test it out. I would also like to see Android apps for webOS 2.x on phones.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] baloo247:
any update on this project?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] legsim:
Yes, having Android apps on the HP Pre 3 would be so great...
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] tweedie:
any gits going

Any gits or other repository set up yet?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Adonis K.:
Im not sure if its gonna be open source or not. Would be cool though
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
Roto I think is still setting up the website, so I don't think any progress has been made on it.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Joolz03:
jut got my hands on a touchpad, would love to see this goes thru.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] :
any news from the project leader or has this been abandoned?

I really love the sound of this I can't wait!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] yeahman45:
is there actually a team doing the development of palmdroid or it's just discussions atm?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
At the moment it is discussions. However, a team is being formed. Roto just needs to get the website setup, and then we'll know who can do what, and we'll slowly start developing on the project.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] shyam101:
Well if you wanted android,..... This is a sad day for you http://www.androidcentral.com/touchpad-android-port-project-fizzles-not-quite-dead

They cant make a home button to get back to the home screen or any other buttons T.T
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] nunjabusiness:
That is a blurb with a misleading title that only addresses the TouchDroid project, which was disbanded after the fiasco (as it should have been.)

I understand CyanogenMod's project is still progressing nicely.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] b.huss2:
rofl, really? why? this is touchdroids project and even it looks pretty promising. i can't wait to see what cm cooks up! you don't think a missing back button is the end all do you? lol.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] HaiKaiDo:
Lol touchdroid just got the screen working and thats when they said theyd start fixing other things. Its not that they CANT get the back button working (which is one of the easiest things to accomplish) its that they havnt yet lol. People see a non working dev build and think thats what the end product is lol.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] Joolz03:
Awfully quiet here... Hope the knights are gathering at the touchpad round table!
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] 40Glock:
I'm going to say someone spoke before they knew if it would work or not...T_T

Was really hoping this wouldn't fizzle out like so many other projects but the lack of updates REALLY leads me to believe it has.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] mysterfix:
It hasn't even gotten started yet, try to have little patience please.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] shoot2scre:
On the one hand... I'm mad at HP that I still don't have my Touchpad (and that they say it's going to be 6-8 weeks). On the other hand... it's nice that by the time I get it, I should have some options available to me... whether it is a full android port, some sort of dual boot solution or this android app emulator.

I figure by the time I get my TouchPad... these projects will either have come together, or fallen apart. Either way, my options should be pretty clear by then.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] kennyminot:
I highly doubt a stable Android build will be ready in six weeks. Maybe by the end of the year.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] erik.aragorn:
could it run on Palm Pre and webos 1.4.5?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] 40Glock:
If you want to try GB and eventually HC from that tiny screen...i say give it a shot. But probably not.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] onceanywhere:
The project hasn't completely fizzled out. I'll admit that no clear development team has been made as far as I know, and no progress has been made, but people have other things to do with their lives. As much as us programmer's love to code, we love to relax and have other personal things going on in our lives as well. I can understand your point of view, and it does look like the project has fizzled out, but hopefully Roto can get the website finished quickly and we'll be on our way.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
Here's a good read to start with Dalvik: http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/msg/a177b156d338c513?

I doubt the entire interpreter, if any, would need to be rewritten since the TouchPad runs ARM instructions so I would assume the first step is to try and compile Dalvik for the TouchPad.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SCWells72:
There's also this:

http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Manufacturers/Android-solutions/Alien-Dalvik.aspx

and the referring article that includes the following blurb:

"The company says that later this year it will announce future platforms, which GigaOM's Kevin Tofel predicts will be Linux-based, suggesting HP/Palm's WebOS as one possible target."

Of course, this was all back in February, but it at least validates the general approach.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
I'm assuming device specific features (accelerometer, gyro, camera) will have to interact with Dalvik so that would possibly be something that would have to be rewritten. I've only just started looking at Dalvik code so I'm not 100% on the process.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SCWells72:
The Dalvik VM abstracts the developer from the hardware. That's how a single application can work with such a disparate set of devices. As long as the proper underlying drivers are available for the VM to use, apps should be able to use the features of those devices just fine.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
I've been able to compile libdvm.so for ARM using the Android source code this morning. I haven't tried compiling it into a basic PDK application just yet. It looks like I'll need libSSL to be included in the linkage as well since webOS doesn't have it available system-wide.

Once I figure out all of this, it looks like dalvikvm (located in dalvik/dalvikvm in AOSP code) can be compiled and used as a way to run Dalvik on a Linux based OS. It'll require Android system and framework files - easily obtainable - and a way of specifying where those files are to the program.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] anghelyi:
But you will need also at least the surfaceflinger and skia (if I'm not mistaken) to be able to display any android app. But it's a good start! Keep up the good work!

As a sidenote, I post it here as well:

Well, as Blackberry Playbook has a partially working App Player I decided to download it and check what is inside. Well it's very funny Basically it's a full android, with some scripts and two qnx binaries. (you can google for sys.android.bar and extract the contents)

It seems to be way too easy... The two files in sbin is the key: android_launcher and android_fsys, if we can port this two over maybe we would be able to run android the same way. Maybe. But there are strange lines in init.rc, for example this:

export GRAPHICS_ROOT /usr/lib/graphics/vmware

I don't know what is this...

And I have not enough knowledge to try to do anything with it...
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
Awesome, thanks! I'll look into that when I get home :D Looks like RIM might be using VMWare to power their App player. It may be possible to extract the system folder from either TouchDroid or the Cyanogen TouchPad port to get the system files needed for the TouchPad hardware since Dalvik seems to need the system and framework folders.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
So I have dalvikvm compiling for the Touchpad. I have, in no way, tested it yet but I've set up a repository for what I've been working on. I don't have instructions on how I've been building it just yet, but if you're keen to help a bit, you can download the Android source code, make libdvm and alter the Makefile in the repository.

https://bitbucket.org/spencerelliott/dalpad

My next step is to attempt to get the Dalvik executable in a package I can run on the Touchpad.

EDIT: Well, I got it into an application but it won't even boot up and give me any errors. I'm using the CodeSourcery toolchain and it won't let me use gdb to debug the application. I'll look more at it tomorrow but I'm calling it a night for now.

I'll be attempting to use the Palm toolchain to recompile the Dalvik libraries or possibly just grabbing them from the TouchDroid build that has been released and try to compile those into the executable. I'm getting libc conflicts between the two different platforms (PDK and Dalvik). I'm still kind of taking shots in the dark here since I've never compiled a PDK application so I'm still learning the debug process as I go.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] FAILHARD:
Thanks alot guys. We finally have a bit of progress. I would add you guys to the front page but I can't get Roto to respond. Who thinks it's a good idea to start a fresh, new thread in a little while after we get some momentum?
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] SpencerElliott:
I think that would be a good idea. I'd like to get Dalvik at least giving me errors in the syslog rather than not even running before creating a new thread lol I can hopefully have that working by tonight :)

EDIT: I just downloaded the TouchDroid system folder for their port and I'm going to see if I can use anything out of that for running Dalvik.
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] yeahman45:
Yup i think it's a good idea to start a new thread! with updates and progress made
[WebOS Software and Hacking General] kawoxux:
I think this is a brilliant idea! Please keep me posted!!