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[TouchPad Development] Hotconductor:
I really don't see how people can say WebOS isn't dead. If the only company making hardware for the OS stops making hardware, the platform is dead. Its like saying the Sega Saturn isn't dead just because Sega stopped manufacturing it. Granted, there are still some developers, but they will all be ****fting to other platforms soon.
[TouchPad Development] thuddome:
It is still alive on Palm phones, also as crazy as HP is right now, who knows if it's dead or not on the TouchPad.
[TouchPad Development] pukemon:
Sets Saturn is dead? No wonder I can't find any games for it.

Webos apps will be few and far between. Im sure after 6 months everybody will be salivating over the great thing. And that is probably going to paid or android hardware/software. I just don't see very much homebrew for webos anymore, especially when a lot of people bought the touchpad hoping for an android port. And funny thing is honeycomb, and ics are the ideal things to port, especially ics due to lack of buttons and honeycomb isn't open source.

I voided my warranty and your mum.
[TouchPad Development] Hotconductor:
Don't worry, Radiant Silvergun is coming to XBLA soon.

On topic, I agree with you about ICS, but even Gingerbread would be great to me. WebOS IS cool, I just don't see how anyone can put up a fight that it isn't dead. I can't even begin to count the number of posts on different forums in which someone says "WebOS isn't dead, just the Touchpad!" Maybe I'm alone in this, but that seems to be the mark of delusional optimism. The Touchpad was the last WebOS piece of hardware, and HP was its only manufacturer. How is it alive aside from the current Touchpad user base?

Maybe I'm missing something, and if so I'm not beyond correction. When Android 2.3 or 3.0 or ICS, or whatever, gets a stable port, half of the WebOS user base will leave promptly and never come back. Even if they don't 'leave' they definitely wont spend another dime in the Touchpad App store.
[TouchPad Development] chalx:
Maybe if HP ditch webOS completely and no one picks it up. Many of them do not have Android device because they don't want one. But, if webOS finally dies, than they will have to choose between Android, Ios and WP7/WP8.
[TouchPad Development] thuddome:
I actually got 2 of them, a 16 and 32 :)
[TouchPad Development] succorso:
I thought this thread was about Android on the Touchpad?
[TouchPad Development] android-hacker:
It is supposed to be. There are other thread for the firesales. ;)

But everyone gets excited, me included.
[TouchPad Development] crump84:
You may have seen it but it's getting closer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4kSGmlGy0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from Gingerbread Speedy 4G
[TouchPad Development] lynyrd65:
The beginning of that vid was from the hoax video but this is real.
[TouchPad Development] ajs421:
a video where the touchscreen doesn't work in android and works for 2 seconds in webos --- not much to get excited about tbh.
[TouchPad Development] nks2105:
that last video made me lol tbh because of the intro made by the neighbor of the son of michael bay followed by 20 seconds of nothing...
[TouchPad Development] panyan:
ill get excited when you achieve more ;)
[TouchPad Development] panyan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHdRj7Xbgr4&feature=player_embedded
[TouchPad Development] ishould:
oooooooops
[TouchPad Development] phikal:
Alright, looking good..:)
[TouchPad Development] oscar8x:
Is posible to install Android into chroot partition like Ubuntu?

I'd like to know if it's posible to install Android into the Touchpad via chroot. I saw that runs well enough with Ubuntu in a ext3 partition.

Maybe we could try Android apps while people develop a native version.
[TouchPad Development] jmhalder:
it is POSSIBLE, but not likely, its been compiled for x86 inside Ubuntu:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/AndroidExecutionEnvironment

it would need pretty considerable coding to happen, especially to happen seamlessly, and although execution speed might be ok, I think rendering speed might be a problem... There is no doubt in my mind that this would require more work than getting Android running natively.

Getting Android running natively will require virtually no work to the userland portion of the OS. Getting it working INSIDE webOS would require substantial work to the userland.

*don't hold your breath.
[TouchPad Development] DJTaurus:
Is it possible to see a future honeycomb port...or only old android versions?
[TouchPad Development] lmbebo:
No honeycomb source. So as I understand it, teams are working on. 2.3.X so that when Ice cream sandwich is released it will be easier to move the Touxhpad to that.
[TouchPad Development] Maedhros:
HTC Puccini Port

Hello Every 1. Recently a Port of the Puccini (HTC Sense for 10inch Tablets) has started development in the Flyer Section.

I'd like to see this ported to the Touchpad, and as the CPU & GPU are the same, I figure it should be possible!

Link to thread in Flyer section (Where the Dump is located):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1240772
[TouchPad Development] ankorez:
no there work on 2.3.4 but when sources is open bascule on honeycomb or directly icecream

i think we had stable android version in few months
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
Thanks mate,

Let's hope a dev picks this up;)

JD

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] Jotokun:
We kinda need a stable release of Android first...
[TouchPad Development] Joker Fuel:
+1
[TouchPad Development] Rakeesh_j:
That might run afoul of copyright laws.

In the case of the flyer, they are moving from one HTC device to another, so HTC may not complain there.
[TouchPad Development] knightnz:
Translation:

Assuming this is correct, then Google have stated that they are NOT going to be releasing the sources for Honeycomb except to manufacturers for reasons along the lines of the code is "a mess". ICS is SUPPOSED to be completely opensource but who knows if Google will release it as such given that they now own a cellphone company.

I certainly wouldn't expect any useful ICS AOSP source this year, and probably not until 2Q of 2012.
[TouchPad Development] knightnz:
Also, given that Sense is merely a UI layer, it's got nothing to do with the underlying CPU/GPU unless they're tying in proprietary hardware acceleration other than that provided by 3.x.

Porting Sense is going to be a looong way down the list at this stage. I think most people would rather have a newer version of the OS than 2.x instead, and given that they're still working on basic hardware support for an AOSP-based OS, they're not going to be putting much thought into tacking on proprietary layers unless they have to.

That said, I'm sure it'd be lovely if someone, sometime down the track, would port it for what will probably be the CM7 based system that's coming.
[TouchPad Development] muyoso:
If they did something like that, they would have killed Android overnight. They are not going to do something like that.
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
Not sure where you are getting your information. Google said they did not want HC ported to phones so they were going to wait until ICS to release the source.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
@Knightnz

The ICS source will be released soon after the Prime release as what happened with the Nexus S. Quit scaremongering as this is a given;)

The touchpads true potential will not be realised until ICS is released. CM7 will improve it, But ICS(CM8) will make it rock;)

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
Who is scaremongering? I never said ICS source wasn't going to be released in fact I agree with you.
[TouchPad Development] nick2k:
thanks to XDA, i learned a new word to annoy my friends with: 'scaremongering'.
[TouchPad Development] craig0r:
Sense is more than just a UI, it's a framework, and it is in fact tied to the kernel. Unfortunately, although the CPU/GPU may be the same, I'm sure the radios and screen are not. It may be possible with the kernel source from HTC though. Here's hoping!
[TouchPad Development] deanwray:
Actually I think it is a UI Framework :) With a few little android activities, and it maybe linked with kernel but not that much.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
Sorry dude that wasnt directed at you, it was directed @Knightz

JD;)
[TouchPad Development] tribestros:
Just curious if devs plan on figuring out how to get Honeycomb on the TP, I don't want Gingerbread on it. GB just isn't an optimized platform for tablets, in my opinion.
[TouchPad Development] muyoso:
Its not your opinion, its fact. Gingerbread is a phone OS. Honeycomb will never be ported to the Touchpad, unless ICS is like delayed or Google decides to abandon Android in a week or something. Honeycomb has no source released and would be an absolute pain in the ass to try and get working on the Touchpad. ICS is set to be released sometime this fall, and I can't imagine developers would waste time trying to hack honeycomb into this thing when ICS will be so much easier and newer and probably better.
[TouchPad Development] googlephone:
HC has been ported to several devices which were not running HC natively. Even htc hd2 has a HC port long time ago (lots of bugs, but it is bcz it's a phone). Maybe ics will come earlier and there is no need to bother HC. It depends on how long will it take for ics to be released.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
As I said in an earlier post, the touchpad will not realise its true potential until ICS.. What the devs are doing now is laying the foundations for ICS by building a working vanilla version of GB. Once this first hurdle has been achieved it will be much easier to build a custom ICS kernel apon it's release. And quite frankly any version of Android hits webOS out the ball park. Hell I would even run 2.2.1 over webOS;)

Google are usually awesome at releasing source too, so we should get it quite soon after the primes release. One of the lead programmers for Android said they didn't release the source for HC because it was a mess..

JD

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] Jotokun:
While its true that Honeycomb does run on some non-native devices, I would hardly call it ported. What happened was some clever manipulation of SDK emulator image binaries that allow them to boot up on the device in question, but they're hardly optimized for the platform. They're very buggy, slow, and had missing features.

Not to mention, these hacks dont work at all without a working base Android build, which Gingerbread would provide.

Dont get me wrong, I want a tablet OS as well. But a fully working Gingerbread with the Nook Tablet Tweaks is far better than a bubble gum and fishing wire supported honeycomb build. It'll all be moot when ICS hits anyway.
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
yeah with tablet tweaks the only thing we are missing is the hc only apps. I can live with that until source is released.
[TouchPad Development] benrees21:
Team CM have got the colour issues fixed and GPU working correct. They also have the multi-touch working which the code was actually stolen from them from one of the devs belonging to team touch-droid, who claimed it as his own work! Sorry if I'm repeating anything but I thought I would let everyone know.

Sent from my Nexus S running NSCollab ROM and Netarchy 1.3.4 CFS Kernel
[TouchPad Development] Adonis K.:
Yeap, here is a tl;dr version of the irc chatlog:

http://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/111587501705150465
[TouchPad Development] Sushibagel:
That's lame that the TouvhDroid guys are stealing work from CM but it's great to hear progress is being made on the development. I'm looking forward to seeing a finished product.
[TouchPad Development] benrees21:
Everyone should just shun team-touchdroid if they release a ROM and run the CM ROM. Kids stealing code, unbelievable. CM release will be better anyway.

Sent from my Nexus S running NSCollab ROM and Netarchy 1.3.4 CFS Kernel
[TouchPad Development] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
Not all ports are based on the SDK. The Viewsonic G-Tablet, Vega, and Notion Ink Adam (all semi-related hardware cousins) are enjoying varying degrees of success with ports. Most are using either the Asus Transformer or Acer Iconia images as a base.

However, this is because the hardware amongst all of the tablets is pretty close (Tegra 2 based). The differences in wi-fi, cameras etc and available drivers for those is the biggest problems. and of course, the lack of source code has made compiling a kernel a big task.

Thus, porting HC to Touchpad is doable, given a decent source base (HTC Puccini?). However, it's likely to take too much effort & time given the imminent ICS release.
[TouchPad Development] k1l:
come on, pls dont just bring the drama in here, too.

because you dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

we know for sure that several devs dont like each other and several mistakes were made. so if you cant contribute to the project itself step back and dont play on that ****storm.

that is helping noone
[TouchPad Development] timmymarsh:
Guys,

Please keep the discussion on topic and refrain from flaming and trolling. If you cant put your point across intelligently then you probably shouldn't be here.

Repeated offences will mean infractions are issued.

Thanks for your cooperation.
[TouchPad Development] muyoso:
Nothin wrong with stealin code. Its the claiming it as your own which is ridiculous.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
+1000

And the total disrespect for someone else's hard work!

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] nascasho:
Semi-Working build of 2.3.5 on TP

Original post here from fnj00 on touch-droid:

Linky

I haven't flashed yet, don't have the guts.
[TouchPad Development] Maedhros:
BUMP for Puccini port :)

Im sure there are some ppl who have worked on a Sense device who mught be able to help with this?
[TouchPad Development] ericdabbs:
Sweet nice find. I am still not brave enough to put this on my machine yet since it still says semi-working build. I hope there are those out there that are willing to try it out.

It will be nice for those that tried it out to list down what IS WORKING and NOT WORKING so far.
[TouchPad Development] Adonis K.:
Ya, they will probably start that after they get a stable version of GB running.
[TouchPad Development] NewZJ:
Im not touching it after what touchdroid did
[TouchPad Development] ericdabbs:
What did the touchdroid team do again?
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
I would recommend noone flash this.... It does not have any buttons for home or back;/ You will get stuck, its not worth it;)

JD
[TouchPad Development] thebadfrog:
Following irc on this, it does basically nothing but boot to show multitouch. No wifi, sound, bluetooth....etc
[TouchPad Development] Jotokun:
Stole code and didnt give credit, tried to claim the work was their own. I would avoid it for similar but different reasons though... I get the feeling that the Touchdroid team put this together knowing enough to be dangerous but not really understanding it. If something screws up, there's no guarantee of being able to fix it. I'm sure there's some pretty ugly hacks to get it going.

Not just that... no wifi means its pretty useless at the moment. I'd hold off for a CM release.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
Yep a Puccini port is very very feasible, its just the sense part that may be hard to port.. But fingers crossed hey;) It will be definitely our only chance of honeycomb;)

JD

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] bug splat:
+1

I'm waiting for CM.
[TouchPad Development] SkzBR:
We want a working touchdroid, blaming for fame is useless for a OPEN COMMUNITY. They can stole your code, but not your knowladge, be happy.
[TouchPad Development] pinsb:
Seems to me they may have released this to try to recover lost ground in the PR stakes.....I'll probably wait for CM as well.
[TouchPad Development] sthacher:
I wonder if button savior could just be added to this to make it have buttons this is what I did on my nook before the tablet features got added to CM7
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
no hc source = no hc. at least nothing worth putting on your tp.

hope i'm wrong though :)
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
yep and there was another one... soft keys.

both worked pretty good. i think button savior was better.
[TouchPad Development] thebadfrog:
its not gonna matter...nothing works...no wifi...no acceleration....no bluetooth...no sound. Wait for something that actually does something before you hack up your touchpad
[TouchPad Development] thebadfrog:
Your more likely to have ICS before you got a decent HC hack running.
[TouchPad Development] lafester:
hey this isn't pre central. we are here to hack.

i might check it out this weekend...
[TouchPad Development] thebadfrog:
Its just an image without source. There is nothing to hack or dev. The guy who released it is saying the same thing.
[TouchPad Development] nunjabusiness:
I can wait.

Love WebOS (for what there is) and am hoping some of the hundreds of thousands of new owners will start playing with the SDK.

However, I am NOT saying I won't slap the first semi-stable CM image on mine, as long as I can get back to previous state easily.:p
[TouchPad Development] sednafx:
AFAIK CM is producing a dual boot install. So you can boot to either OS.
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
Never say never, the hardware between the Puccini and the HP TP isn't that different, if HC could be ported, the answers may lie there;)

JD

Sent from my Samsung Galactic Superstar S II
[TouchPad Development] Hotconductor:
Why would they even bother releasing this? My gut feeling is that they are throwing their arms up in the air and saying "here's how far we got, go for it".. but it comes across as "we are so generous to share this with you."

CM has a proven track record and is very honest about their strategy and policy. I've been weary of Touchdroid since they released that first text pdf..
[TouchPad Development] :
[Q] Games: Which Android Tablet Games will work on the Touchpad?

as its almost time to put android, on my touchpad what games will work?

I ask this as correct me if I'm wrong but most tablets are tegra 2?

do you think phone games will scale well to the screen and is the gpu actually any good?
[TouchPad Development] Nburnes:
Most everything will run and scale fine. Use Chainfire 3D if you want to run Tegra games on a non-tegra device. Yes, the GPU is killer.
[TouchPad Development] :
thats brilliant to hear cheers mate :)
[TouchPad Development] muyoso:
No tablet games will work at first since we will be getting a Gingerbread port. So games specifically made for Honeycomb, if there are any, won't work. In a couple months when ICS is ported then they should all work. I don't think there are very many tablet only games, although I am sure there are some games that have tablet versions.
[TouchPad Development] Divine_Madcat:
bingo.. The gpu is somewhere between the tegra2 and ipad2 gpu.. The touchpad does it no real justice...
[TouchPad Development] phikal:
could sense be ported from puccini too then.........? That would be nice :]
[TouchPad Development] Treello:
Touchpad android questions/suggestions

I just had a couple questionsand thought people could also give opinions.

With the touchpad not having all the buttons android deviceshave howwill back and home function?

Can android builds utilize the touchpad gpu?

What are the foreseeable limitations of android on touchpad vs a native android tab?
[TouchPad Development] Stroid01:
It will be much like the nook color android builds with a home back function built into the notification bar of the OS. Check out the nook color roms you will get a good feel for it.
[TouchPad Development] k1l:
many people kept asking for releasing it.

now each dev can decide on their own if they release their work or not. you can find it on that forum thread if new parts come too.

and pls stop the comments with the offtopic. the team is shut down. end of story. no need for retaliation
[TouchPad Development] Safidk:
oi sense would be epic, but think that there might would be some problems with htc. Thnik I read another threat about it somewhere.
[TouchPad Development] k1l:
afaik is sense a license problem.

iirc stoped several sense ports because of trouble with htc
[TouchPad Development] bug splat:
I have a Archos 7 device and moved all the soft buttons to the notification bar. For full screen apps I use Button Savior. This combo works great.
[TouchPad Development] phikal:
Thought i read somehere that htc was releasing the sourcecode for sense

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/breaking-htc-opensense-sdk-and-kernel-source-code-released/
[TouchPad Development] Nburnes:
This will be unnecessary for the CM build that comes. Buttons will be in the Status Bar ala HC, and you can even move the Status Bar to the top or bottom of screen, with buttons on the left or the right. Hell, you can even choose what buttons you want there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7XimtQnbG4
[TouchPad Development] JupiterdroidXDA:
We can hope;) They got a Honeycomb port working on the Nook Colour, so i dont put nothingpast these great devs;)

Nothing is impossible with Android;)

JD
[TouchPad Development] sednafx:
+1 (10 Characters)
[TouchPad Development] Retrox89:
I have a question.

Will we see the likes of Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich on the touchpad? (i realise its still early days)
[TouchPad Development] Nburnes:
Ah, a question that has been asked a million times over.

No one has any idea.

ICS - More than likely

HC - Maybe.
[TouchPad Development] smark72:
Will there be a custom recovery when cm is released that we will be able to boot into or do we have to flash via adb commands? Forgive the noob question, it's my first tablet.
[TouchPad Development] Gibbage:
That 9mb TEXT pdf made me question if anyone on Touchdroid knows ANYTHING.
[TouchPad Development] wavrunrx:
i will donate $20. hands down.
[TouchPad Development] brickjenks100:
i will donate between 10$ and 30$ depending on how hard it ends up being to build
[TouchPad Development] lonequid:
Quick tally of the stated donation amounts puts the pool at $570.

Make it $590 with my offer of $20.
[TouchPad Development] w2n:
i just bought a dozen of these... if someone gets any Android 2.3+ working i'll kick in a few hundred $$
[TouchPad Development] tmckenn2:
i'm no developer, and i do not own a touchpad. (just looking bc they went on sale haha) but it doesn't seem too far fetched to get honeycomb working on the pad. the latest webos runs the same kernel that honeycomb needs, that's better than even some android tablets. now i don't think you can use the kernels interchangeably... it needs to be purpose built but at least you'll have drivers and such ready to roll. the trick is... you cant just dump a kernel. if you managed to pull the kernel off of your device, it would be useless, what you need is the kernel source. which i don't know if its been released but you'd hope now that webos is dead hp will just make all the code and stuff public (it would at least put some value into the tablets they are trying to get rid of)

EDIT:

look what a second of goolgling found....

http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.2/index.html

linux kernel	linuxkernel-2.6.35.tgz	linuxkernel-2.6.35.patches.tgz

now to me that is a great launching point...
[TouchPad Development] brickjenks100:
thanks, that looks like exactly what we need...

When someone who knows what needs to be done for this project reads this, please create a list. I know nothing about building a mobile operating system but I do know programming and Linux.

One way to guarantee an android port is to mail a tablet to one of the main developers on xda, they will not be able to resist..
[TouchPad Development] lonequid:
https://twitter.com/#!/trsohmers/status/104788233908531200
[TouchPad Development] Jonesy555:
I don't even need Honeycomb ported over. I like WebOS as an operating system. If someone could just get an android app emulator working on it like RIM has on the Playbook, I'd be one happy to camper.
[TouchPad Development] blandino123:
i just bought mine for 85 dollars ^__^ Android ported over to it should be a top priority and i will donate to that !