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[Eee Pad Transformer General] maxwintrobe:
$99 for 16GB, $149 for 32GB: http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/19/let-the-liquidation-begin-hps-16gb-touchpad-on-sale-for-99/

have to figure out how to snag one of these.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mdneilson:
Get Android on it, and I'd be in for it :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I think I'll get one for $100. You can't get a cheap e-reader for that low of a price and it's still going to be good for web, email, skype video calls, etc.

Does anyone know if Webos allows you to backup your apps to a pc? I'd hate for the app servers to be shutdown and no ones able to re-download purchased apps :o
[Eee Pad Transformer General] decepticon:
I am going to hit up Best Buy next week and pick up one or 2. Someone will have Honeycomb running on these things eventually and if not, for $100 you have a very capable tablet anyway.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] grenademasta:
Got one for less than Best Buy's price at HP's website.

32gb was 149.99, bought a ream of paper for $6, then used a $30 off $150 coupon code SAVE30HP to bring my out the door price with tax, free ship, disposal fee to $141.69.

At first I didn't want one because I have my Transformer. For 141.69 I changed my mind.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] dude2k5:
Exactly the same. If I can just have fun, $140 is nothing. If I can put Ubuntu/Android, God damn, GREAT deal.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] grenademasta:
If you want to buy one follow the instructions from a post from Slickdeals.

Quote from ragingazn628 :

Alright this worked for me. I bought 1. So please use this if you aren't going to buy like 30+

FIRST MAKE SURE YOU DELETE ALL COOKIES AND CLEAR CACHE WITH CCLEANER OR OTHER PROGRAMS!

1. Go to https://www.shopping.hp.com/webap...ter_epp.do

2. Use 2727 as code.

3. Register with any email.

4. After finished registering, close the final page/ tab

5. Click the product link in the first original post of this thread and price will change.

6. Add to cart and check out.

DO NOT USE PAYPAL! For some reason it did NOT work for me. I used Visa

After you register use the link below and you should see the price at $149.99. You need to bring your total purchase up to $150 or more to use the $30 off coupon code SAVE30HP. Good luck these are going FAST! I know a few people who bought several. I know the HP Touchpad sucks, but for 149 it sucks alot less.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/FB359UA%23ABA?aoid=35252
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SwiftLegend:
Are they really dropping phones, or are they going to pick up a new OS or maybe develop their own? Them using Android could be good.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mdneilson:
They're dropping all consumer hardware. Tablets, phones, desktops, laptops, monitors... everything. The tablets and phones are going now... the PC side is in the process of being spun off.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] SwiftLegend:
Wth. So HP is just shutting down? Why? Were they doing that bad?
[Eee Pad Transformer General] mdneilson:
There isn't much money to be made in consumer electronics. Any company that makes or sells them make a very limited, if any, margin. They may keep business to business running, but mostly they'll probably turn into IBM. Big and still influential, but the average consumer will think they're dead.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] finalhit:
sams club just sold out...

hopefully, we get more chances tommorow.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
You know the funniest bit?

There is a Microsoft employee on twitter trying to encourage disgruntled WebOS developers to develop for Windows Phone 7...

http://twitter.com/#!/dglover

http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-extending-hand-webos-developers?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter

Out of the frying pan into the fire... Windows Mobile is an even bigger disaster than WebOS was.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] jerrykur:
As an app developer I think that is a great strategy. The MS development environment is very rich and the market is not oversaturated like Apple's. Also, unlike Android the MS market is focused on paid apps. Finally, there is the Nokia deal that creates a huge potential market for apps on lower end smartphones.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ToyTank:
I had a palm pre with webos before I bought an android phone. The hardware kinda sucked. Got really hot and horrible battery, but I loved webos. In my life I have bought 1 hp laptop, desktop, and printer. They all are built like crap. The tx2000z tablet the USB/touch quit working. HP tower caught fire AFTER I sold it to a friend, and the printer went back to store it was junk.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] solom01:
I'm not sure what people expect. Everyone (including me) always wants the lowest possible price, and we got it. Prices got to the point that there's no margin, so customer service was outsourced and build quality went down the tube. It has apparently gotten to the point that it's just not worth being in the market anymore, so innovation/choice will also go away. The few companies like Apple and Fujitsu that stuck to their prices have done better, their products tend to be better built and they have better customer support. I'm not saying you can't luck out once in a while and get a good quality, inexpensive product - but every indication I've seen is that when margin goes so does quality control. At least for me this has made me determine to buy fewer products, but to buy products like Apple where there is enough profit for them to care about design, quality, etc.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] ravizzle:
Got myself a touchpad 32gb for $150 today. Idk what ill do with it since I have a transforer but price was too cheap to pass up.

Sent from my Samsung Epic
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
There is one minor problem, no customers. Windows Phone 7/7.5 is utter ****e, and consumers are avoiding it.

So whilst you might have an easy way to know **** up in visual studio, there is nobody to buy it...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You do know that Apple doesn't build anything, right? They outsource to the exact same companies almost everybody else does. ASUSTek is actually one of very few companies that has both a retail presence with a reasonable level of customer recognition, *and* its own production capabilities, a claim Apple can't make. Acer and NEC are the only others that spring to mind who have a strong retail brand and in-house design / production capability. (Even there, it's only the high-end models which are produced in-house -- affordable models go to the cheapest bidder, even if it's a competitor.)

In the case of the iPad / iPad 2, that company is Foxconn, aka Hon Hai Precision Industry. Foxconn also makes consumer electronics products for Acer, Amazon, Asus, Cisco, Dell, HP (well, they did until HP ditched on CE altogether), Intel, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, and Sony Ericsson, among many, many others.

They're not the only company Apple outsources production to, by any means. Their notebooks, for example, came from Quanta Computer last I heard, and at one point Asus themselves were making Apple's notebooks, too.

Underneath, Apple's products are largely made from the exact same parts as everybody else's, too, as shown in numerous product teardowns over the years. There are occasional exceptions where a component is customized specifically for Apple, of course, such as for example the iPad and iPad 2's processors. Even there, though, the chips themselves are manufactured by a third party (Samsung), and although tweaked, predominantly based on third party tech (ARM processors, PowerVR GPUs, Samsung RAM).

All of this is to say, if you believe Apple's products are somehow superior to the competitions in terms of components or build quality, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. The extra you're paying largely goes on designing a pretty housing for somebody else's components, plus marketing, a glossy retail presence, and debatably on better support, but not really into the product itself.

(I say the better support is debatable, because Apple has a habit of forcing users to upgrade by refusing to fix major issues very shortly after products are retired from sale. For example, the iPhone 3G was still on sale until June 4th, 2010, but when Apple released a patch for a major security hole reported just over 13 months later, iPhone 3G users were left in the cold. As far as Apple's concerned, if you're not buying a new phone once per year, you're not a customer they care about.)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Have you used other tablets? You can't possibly say that the iPad 2 in't built much better than an Archos tablet, Coby tablets, the Transformer, the Acer A500, the HP Touchpad, the Xoom, etc. The only one that comes close is the Samsung 10" tablet.

I'm not saying the wires of soldering metal is any better in an Apple product, but just hold a plastic tablet and tell me it's the same build quality as an ipad 2... I dare you.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Yes, I have used other tablets, including the iPad 2. I'm not comparing Apple's products to ones that are vastly less expensive. I'm comparing it to other tablets at the same pricing. To do otherwise would be completely unfair.

And the answer of the comparison is no, compared to products of equal pricing, the iPad 2 is not of significantly better build quality and design. In some respects, it is slightly better, and in others it is slightly worse. Overall, for my money, it's a very close-run thing in terms of hardware.

For my money, from the products you mentioned:

* It's utterly unfair to compare Archos' tablets to a product that costs 2-3 times as much, and I will not do so.

* It's utterly unfair to compare Coby's tablets to a product that costs 4-5 times as much, and I will not do so.

* The Transformer comes very close to matching the iPad 2, despite carrying a significantly (20-30%) lower price. It offers a better feature set, similarly high build quality (only very minor panel flex / creak, only very minor light bleed, both also present in Apple's product), and the Transformer feels significantly better balanced in the hands than the iPad does. The iPad wins on responsiveness (probably due to the customizations made in its processor, rather than it being an entirely off-the-shelf design), and has a slight edge in material quality (although the material choice probably contributes to its poor balance -- it's lighter than the Transformer, but feels heavier in use). It's about even in terms of screens -- the iPad has a slightly (but not much) better panel, but the Asus has a much more useful aspect ratio. That's my most in-depth comparison because I've used the Transformer the most.

* The Acer A500 I've only used in-store, but I'll agree it felt quite cheaply made. That's probably partly reinforced by the relatively poor screen, but at the price point I doubt they could afford to fit an IPS panel onto the bill of materials. It's not an entirely fair comparison though, because it's also noticeably cheaper than the Transformer, and far cheaper than the iPad 2.

* The HP Touchpad I haven't used, because frankly the operating system was an immediate showstopper. Since it's already been cancelled a month into its life, a comparison would be pointless, though.

* The Xoom I've used, but long enough ago that I don't feel confident drawing a comparison.

* The Samsung tablet I rate about equally with the Transformer and iPad 2.

The plastic versus metal debate will continue forever, incidentally. Once upon a time, metal was significantly superior. With modern plastics, each has its place. Sometimes metal is the better choice, sometimes plastic is. Both can be made just as sturdy as the other, and both can be made to feel high or low quality, depending upon the quality of the design, and the quality of the materials and construction process chosen.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Xda Newb:
You guys may want to check this out way sub 200
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Xda Newb:
You guys may want to check this out way sub 200

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...page/featured/1/home_featured1_hp_touchpad_88
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Magnesus:
I don't see any difference in screen quality in iPad/iPad2/Transformer apart from the fact that pixel density is better on Transformer (because of the higher resolution). But the build quality is higher in iPad/iPad2 - they are tighter, while Transformer feels loose (probably the frame of the Transformer is the reason for this feeling). I like the back of the Transformer much more than the back of iPad or iPad2 (don't remember which I held).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I have both the transformer and ipad and use them both about 6 hours EACH per day. The transformer is very unconfortable to hold for more than an hour. It has sharp edges and the fact that it's long (vs. more square) makes it even more awkward and unbalanced. The bottom openings (where the dock and power adapter fit in) are SHARP like a razor. The ipad 2 is smooth and comfortable. Maybe these are personal opinions, but I'm sure I can find most people who agree that the ipad 2 is much easier to hold for a long time.

Creeking, speaker issues, more than just minor light bleed, chipping bezel, etc... this all plaque more than just a few transformers. I don't see any areas on the ipad 2 that suffer from "surface defects".

For what it's worth, I use my Transformer all day, but have to concede that the ipad 2 is a better built device.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] frosty5689:
Why is this thread going offtopic...
[Eee Pad Transformer General] stuntdouble:
Why is this thread about HP devices in the Transformer Forum....
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Rumbleweed:
Sorry, but more appropriate here than the hundreds of posts letting everyone know the poster hasn`t received the latest update or hoping that it fixes a bug.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I think my perceived difference in display quality comes down to two things. One is that the Transformer's colors aren't quite as accurate as they could be (I'm still holding out hope that color calibration will be added at some point and allow us to fix this). The other and perhaps more significant is that the Transformer's screen is so overly reflective.

I wasn't particularly impressed by build quality of the iPad 2 over the TF though. In my handling, they both showed (minor) panel flex / creak, and (minor) light bleed.

Interesting. This is clearly down to personal opinion. Although the iPad 2 owner whose tablet I've played with agreed with me that it felt heavier and more tiring to hold than the Transformer, even though it's actually lighter.

I don't find the Transformer uncomfortable to hold for a long time, and I've read about 5 or 6 full-length novels on it now, as well as using it for web browsing very frequently, and playing Angry Birds start to finish until I'd gotten every golden egg plus three stars on every level. ;-) So yeah, I've used it a lot too. I'm not going to claim to use it for 12 hours per day, seven days per week, as you apparently do with your tablets -- that doesn't sound very realistic to me. But I find it plenty comfortable, and I've not found anything remotely close to razor-sharp on mine.

I can't talk to speaker issues as frankly I don't pay very much attention to iPad forums, but I've seen plenty of reports of creaking / panel flex, screen issues like light bleed, minor fit-and-finish issues, etc. on the iPad 2 as well.

Well, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. ;-)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] solom01:
I don't disagree in many ways with you, but Apple obviously does a better job in terms of design and in most cases fit and finish. You can also call a number (f0r 90 days anyway) and get a human being. I like my Transformer, but the fit and finish in my case is dubious at best and trying to get their customer service was really hard. And yes, all of these items are made in China, but in most cases Apple software pretty much works out the gate.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
Yep, that's the positive side of living inside a walled garden. Your software is at least more likely (albeit still not guaranteed) to work reasonably stably.

The downside is that you don't get the ultimate choice of what to install, Apple does. If they decide a particular app you want competes directly with one of their own, or that they just plain don't like it, tough luck on you...

That's the real crux of the iOS vs. Android decision. The rest is just fluff, if you ask me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I'm willing to bet that 90%+ of iOS device users are happy with the 100,000 options they have for apps. I mean, my non-tech wife really doesn't care what rooting tools she isn't able to install on her ipad. Having said that, jailbreaking allows you to install "non-approved" apps... what's an iOS user missing? For the most part (and for the vast number of users), what they are able to install on a stock os is above and beyond what they could get on an android device. Stuff does work and it's high-quality.

When we talk about the overall experience, iOS devices are far more stable and predictable. While I have to restart my transformer almost daily (I've had SOD issues on all my android tablets), restarting my ipad 2 or ipad one is something I never have to do. This is what people get when they pay for a device that they expect to just work.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Then you have a faulty unit, or are doing something wrong.

I have never had to restart mine in the 3 months I have owned one. The only time I turn it off, is when I know I won't be using for a few days and want to conserve the battery life, the rest of the time, it's instandby and working just fine.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Random reboots and SOD problems are common, especially when using the dock - just read the forum. I've had this problem on 3 different Android tablets. I'm a power user, so maybe I'm just doing too much with the OS.

The point is, I DON'T get these problems on an ipad and I DO on my Honeycomb tablet. Stability is the most important thing for me - I don't care if ASUS comes out with a 10-core processor, if it's not stable, I can't be productive with it.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] asdfuogh:
I actually havent had much random reboots.. maybe one or two? I think the problem is that if we dont have troubles, we wont post just to say that it's working as expected. However, many apple users are fanboys who will do dish out praise for its expected performance, so that could bethe difference.

Gotta hand it to jobs, he does a great advertisement campaign (geddit? Hand ...jobs! Hahahahaha).
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
I've never had a random reboot, and I'm definitely a power user. I've seen a total of 3 hard lockups between two tablets (mine and my wife's), and I do have to reboot when installing apps due to the known bug in the market app itself, but otherwise I seldom need to reboot.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I wish my tablet was that reliable. I use this tablet for work, so I'm constantly switching apps; evernote, PhonyMyPC, logmein, gmail, Firefox, etc. If I remove my tablet from the dock and put it back on, there's a 50-75% chance that it will "power down" on it's own. Maybe it's the apps we run, what's running in the background or just how we use our tablets, but I would not consider this tablet or os stable.

My phone, which runs Froyo, gets rebooted ONLY when I do a rom upgrade... it's solid as a rock.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] knoxploration:
You definitely have either a hardware issue, or an issue with one or more misbehaving apps. I've never had my tablet power down on its own when removed from its dock. (I have seen one or two programs restart when undocked, but that's 100% reproducible and clearly down to the app itself. Angry Birds is one example -- you can't dock or undock without restarting the game.)

If your tablet is restarting or shutting off during docking / undocking, though, you definitely have a problem. Mine has never done that on 3.0.1, 3.1, OR 3.2, and nor has my wife's.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
Same here, never has a single reboot on 3, 3.1 or 3.2. 100% stable. My only issue has been the dock drain, which Asus picked up FOC, fixed and returned back to be in just over a week. I have no problems with light bleed, no speaker inbalance, no case creaking.

I'm starting to think many of the posts here are simply Apple shills... I know that both Apple and Microsoft invest heavilly in 3rd party companies that spend 24x7 posting positive spin on their products and bad mouthing competitors. It's extremely common practice with American companies.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] finalhit:
random reboots are not common actually. sod seems to be, but it's an RMA-able problem. i used to have them, then i got my device RMA'd, and all gone.

you seem to be very satisfied with your (wife's) IPAD...not to be facetious, but why even get a honeycomb device? why not just get a second IPAD? i always thought it was a weird behavior that people would find a device they like, get one they don't, then nitpick at how the one they like is better.

doesn't make sense to me.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I do have a second ipad 2, for games and general applications - it's solid and stable. I use my Transformer from morning until night, I love it, but it's flawed and I've invested too much in apps to switch over 100% to the ipad. I've sent it in for RMA once already, and it came back with bad screen bleed issues - I'm not paying to send it in a second time.

I really like the android platform, but for people to piss all over iOS devices is silly. Apple has proven itself to be king and the tens of millions of users they have who are HAPPY with their devices is a testament to how good they are. My next device will likely be an Android device - iOS 5 however, could change a lot of people over to iOS.
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
Oh please. When another member has an opinion that's different from yours you accuse them of being Apple fanboys who are trying to stir the pot?

I got my ipad 2 for free. Would I have purchased one otherwise, NO, but having the opportunity to use it daily, it's not the devil like most Android users make it out to be.

There's no question that the Transformer has issues, there's no question that Honeycomb has issues, there's no question that many apps have compatibility issues with devices/os versions. Just because we own a Transformer Honeycomb tablet, doesn't mean it's the perfect device. I wish people would stop acting like it was!
[Eee Pad Transformer General] Tigrev:
Just curious - you say you've invested too much in apps to switch to the iPad. How much exactly? I have 85 apps on my TF, most were free and the paid apps add up to less than $40 total (including some of the costlier ones like Docs-to-go and anMoney). If I preferred iOS to Android (which I don't), $40 wouldn't sway me...

Oh, and how did you get a free iPad? I'd probably talk up the iPad too if I got one free :D
[Eee Pad Transformer General] EP2008:
I've spent close to $200 on apps, possibly more. Logmein was $30 and I need it for work. If I were to switch my stuff over to the ipad, I'd have to spend close to the same amount... having said that, I've spent over $150 in games and various apps on the ipad too... if I cant get it free or if a paid app is worth getting, I get it.

The ipad was won in a contest :)
[Eee Pad Transformer General] CrazyPeter:
People buy Apple because they know no better. They see the TV adverts and assume that's all there is on the market, they are either too stupid or too lazy to look further than what the TV tells them...

Any money you spent on Android means you can use it on all your devices, and if you decide to change manufacturer, everything still works. You buy anything for the ipad and you have to stick with Apple regardless of what they do, what they charge and what they lock-down...