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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
InsertCoin is a Sense ROM, aye. And if you drag and drop the contents of her SD card to your PC and delete everything on it it'll be a fresh install which is never a bad thing. You can drag and drop pictures and music etc back over when you're all up and running.

*Edit* Sorry, it's not Froyo no, it's Gingerbread. Froyo is old hat now, Gingerbread is identical to Froyo UI wise but under the hood it's a better OS.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
So will it have more features then the froyo stock Rom? Like on my desire hd?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Pretty much, there are a plethora of differences between the two. Gingerbread handles apps 2 SD a lot better as well.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
why i am i getting this error from unrevoked. internal error: intalling pakage failed.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Do you have HTC Sync installed?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
I had it installed and installed it but left the drivers on.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Uninstalled
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Now try running again.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
still getting same error, i folled the instruction of the above guid to the letter up to the unrevoked bit, i also have a new fully formated sd card in the phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
when i go in device manager it dose not say android 1.0. it says my htc. when i try to load the hboot driver it says newer driver already installed.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
gone over the how too three times now and done everything as is, just wont root with unevoked.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zedmarcus:
I see you're having problems with your root...

Like another poster said a couple of pages back, you should really follow the guide thats up on XDA:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1016084

Loads of people have followed it and managed to root their phones no problem (me being one of them!).

It has a detailed explanation, links to everything you'll need, and loads of video's to follow. Follow it carefully and you can't go far wrong.

Good luck. Don't let a couple of problems at the start put you off, a rooted phone gives you so many more options than a stock one.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
It's a driver issue caused by HTC Sync.

Follow these instructions.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smiffyboots:
Don't use unrevoked, it can be a complete pain in the ass.

Try

http://revolutionary.io/

It will also give you a link to an updated driver.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
I am not familiar with Revolutionary, does it give S-OFF as well as root? Looks good though. I can't think of anything better than combining AlphaRev and UnrEVOked! :D

Give it a whirl kpf16, see if it's less hassel.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Thanks for the help, I will try again and let you know how I get on.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ste1164:
Sounds like you have the gingerbread rom install for the desire? If so you will need to run revolutionary. This does S-OFF your device too.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kuleee:
my brother gave me his desire, but he installed official 2.3 gingerbread 2 weeks ago. of course, i would like any custom rom (cyanogen, villainrom...) installed instead of official rom. hboot is 1.02.0000. am i able to use revolutionary and install custom roms, root it with that zip file attached in revolutionary faq, etc...? power to the people, owners of desire! :-)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Hey, if I may offer some advice...

Root, BUT DON'T INSTALL CUSTOM ROM... STICK WITH THE OFFICIAL HTC ROM!

That's what I did... I get all the advantages of rooting: Using Titanium Backup and App2SD: A really cool app that can move ALL of your apps to the SD card. (went from 20MB free to something like 80MB free!)

And I don't have to deal with the downsides to rooting: Custom ROMs where some things don't work, lag or are slow, need special SD cards, etc. etc. etc.

Ever noticed how half the people on xda always seem to look for a new ROM?!? That's the thing about custom ROMs. Basic functions like compass or videocamera don't work on some of them, while other ROM's make your phone slow and unstable.

That's all fine if you're a geek and love to mess around and change ROMs every couple of weeks. Personally, I couldn't be bothered with it, I just want something that works, which is why I rooted my phone, but kept the original HTC ROM.

You might want to consider the same, ESPECIALLY if it's your wifes Desire. She might prefer something that just works as well, instead of experimenting with custom ROMS...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zedmarcus:
True. Rooting doesn't mean that you have to flash a custom ROM onto your phone. You can just use the added benefits like vszulc stated. HTC Sense is a great package if you just want an easy to use phone with all of the added links and such that come with it.

As for the fact that half of the people on XDA are looking for new ROM's, is in my opinion, to do with the fact that the Desire is now starting to get on a bit and is not the cutting edge phone it was a year ago. I've had my phone since they first came out in the UK and rooted purely for the fact that after a year of use I wanted to see what else was possible on it. We've had the last official update on it (GingerBread), and it's not that different from Froyo. It's gone as far as HTC want to push it.

Sure, some of the ROM's can be a bit unstable, and some ROM's have glitches that make them less desirable, but you only need to read the threads to see which ones are working well and are very stable. For every one person on XDA who's having problems with a ROM, you'll find a load more who love the "new" phone feeling they've gained from flashing a custom ROM.

You don't have to be a geek to want to try a new ROM!! I'm certainly not, but after rooting and flashing a new ROM (Gingervillain 2.8) there's no way I'd want to go back to stock Froyo or GingerBread. I think the trick is to do your research, find a good well regarded ROM, and try it. If you like it stick to it. Some people get addicted to flashing ROM after ROM, but if you're happy with one of the one's you try then stick with it.

And if you like HTC Sense, try one of the Custom GingerBread ROM's available. Some (like Leedroid and InsertCoin) are fast AND stable and have added benefits that stock GingerBread does'nt.

And yes, I know it's personal choice in the end, just thought I'd give my opinion.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ste1164:
Yes you can use revolutionary to s-off your phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
A fair point, but as we know, customs ROMs are more efficient than HTCs ROMs, as of course they are tweaked for performance and reliability. Stability isn't even an issue for custom ROMs. :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
The only reason I an rooting my wife's desire is because she has only 4mb on her internal space. The stock Rom is good for her needs. She mostly uses Facebook and ebay. So if I just root I take it I leave the stick Rom and nothing changes on her phone settings wise and she loses no info stored. I then get titanium and move big apps like maps and Facebook to SD. Is there a guide to use revolution and what's this s off all about? I have tried the guides for unrevoed and it won't root.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Also if I just root do I need to worry about s off to move apps to SD with titanium?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
S-Off isn't something you need to worry about, it gives you read/write access on your ROM. It's mainly used for changing HBOOT which is the software which dictates the sizes of your system. The stock Desire has:

250 Mbs System

40 Mbs Cache

147 Mbs Data

It's obvious what system and cache do, data is app space. I have a MIUI ROM and CM7 r2 HBOOT, my partions are

145 Mbs System

5 Mbs Cache

287 Mbs Data

You can get a maximum of ~335 Mbs changing HBOOT using Oxygen ROMs, however, for what you need it's totally overkill.

I don't know much at all about Revolutionary if I am honest, I haven't really had my eye on the community for a good few months now and in that time Revolutionary has come about, so I can't tell you first hand how to run it. You can however find documentation here about it and of course from the Revolutionary website.

Perhaps some kind soul will talk you through how to use it. :);)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
So its that or unrevoked only I can use? Do I have to use different versions to root say a desire to a desire HD?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Done a Google on the problem I had with rooting with unrevoked and found some one with same problem. They say you need to have enough free internal storage to use the program. Having only 4mb I am going to Uninstalled maps and Facebook updates and see if it will now work. Finger crossed.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
free up some internal space and unevoled worked, phone now rooted, thanks for all your help guys.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Ok guys desire rooted with stock Rom. I have titanium and app2sd. How do I move apps like maps and Facebook to SD?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Heya!

Just select the app you wnat to move in the program (like App2SD) and click "move to SD"...

I recommend a program called "Install Manager"... You can get it off market, and it was mentioned on the front page of XDA if I recall correctly.

It can move even programs that you normally can't move with other programs like A2SD.

If I might make another suggestion though, which stock ROM is it that you have? 2.2 or 2.3? Because the official Gingerbread RUU from HTC that I have on my phone is A LOT better at moving apps to the SD card. With Angry Birds for example, it only takes up 250 kb on my phone, whereas it used to use 2-3 MB on the old 2.2 ROM. Same thing goes for most other games, and a lot of other apps. I have around 80-something apps on my phone right now, with 20MB free.

If you haven't updated your phone to Gingerbread (2.3) yet, it's really easy and only takes 15 minutes. Just go to HTC's developer site and download the RUU.

You can easily root the phone afterwards as well, which is what I did. AND beside the improved RAM/App2SD, the official HTC 2.3 ROM also have a lot of other cool improvements...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
You need to click "convert to user app" in Titanium, but in my experience, it doesn't work very well. You SHOULD be able to get the space you need just by using something like Install Manager (off the market) to move the apps you normally can't move to the SD card.

BTW: The HTC Gingerbread ROM saves you some space there, cause it has newer versions of the G-apps built in.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
I have the last stock ota 2.2 Rom. Would like to just move over apps like maps and Facebook to SD. If I could get this with a reliable official 2.3 Rom that has no bugs then that would be great. So the stock HTC might be good if you can still move app2sd like Facebook.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
What's the link for the HTC stock 2.3 Rom for the desire?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
When I done my root I followed the guide suggested early in this thread. In doing so I used alpharev to flash hboot and do s off. I take it that has replaced my 0.93. Is there anyway of returning to my original hboot which had s on. Is this worth having s off just using stock roms. Is apharev reliable?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Hey,

The gingerbread update is right here: http://developer.htc.com/

It's a 160 mb download that you just install to your computer, and follow the instructions.

It's been faster and rock solid on my phone, as well as a lot of nice little touches everywhere. And most importantly, it has newer Facebook, gmail and maps apps, and frees a lot more space by moving much more of apps over to the SD card.

I'm pretty sure you don't need to downgrade, and can upgrade to 2.3 with your hboot as it is...

Afterwards you can get S-OFF with Revolutionary, and root with Superuser (or another way) if you want to. I recommend the root, since you get access to Titanium that way, as well as other cool apps that make you SD card faster, or are better at moving apps to SD, like Install Manager.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
If I install the update will it in stall a new version of hboot? If so can I use unrevoked to root or will the new hboot not work with unrevoked?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Oh come on, you CAN'T be serious... When a custom ROM works its fine, but many, if not most , of them have one or more functions missing (compas, video camera, etc.), many of them are optimized to score high on benchmarks instead of real life performance, and people never agree on which ROM is the best, cause even on the best of them there are always people who experience force closes or performance issues.

You can get lucky and find a good ROM that works for you, but it can easily take many tries and many different ROMs. Customs are also great if you want a completely different skin or no skin, but its not for everybody, and for stability and peace of mind, there is (usually) nothing like an official ROM.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
I'm not really that worried about s off. I just want everything stock. Hboot and 2.3 that is then root so I can move apps2sd.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
It installs a new hboot, but you can use revolutionary or unrevoked to take it off again and root. That's what I did...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Will that be a different unrevoked version to the one I used with hboot 0.93?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
That's what I'd recommend for space and peace of mind. The 2.3 update in itself is really good and well worth the 20 min. it takes to install.

Try downloading Install Manager for App2sd (available on the market for free. Was featured here and on Androidcentral.com)

Anyways, I had install manager as well as App2sdpro installed, and install manager is quite a bit better.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
So I can use the same unrevoked programe to root the phone after I have done the 2.3 update? Do you know the version number of hboot the update gives youk?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
How many custom roms have you actually used? They indeed are optimized for performance, stability and battery life. If they installed the right way they are not laggy, they perform better than stock. Plus they offer much more flexibility than stock. Also, Many people on here who are looking for a diff rom simply want a change. I run cyanogenmod 7.1 and it is leaps and bounds better than stock rom. One more thing, people can't agree which is best because we each have our own taste and needs. what suits one persons needs will not suit another, hence the the disagreements.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Well to be honest if it was my phone and not my wife's I would be playing with custom roms all day. But all my wife wants is more internal space so she can download apps.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
Yeah you are making the right choice for your wife then mate, its horses for courses :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
I don't think so, but can't say for sure since I did it in a slightly different way.

I got the S-OFF with Revolutionary and THEN used unrevoked and/or Superuser to root it. Even if revolutionary is the only way to S-OFF it, its real quick and easy, and you can use whatever you want to root it afterwards.

So to recap: Download and install HTC 2.3 ROM, S-OFF with Revolutionary, then Unrevoked (or whatever other way you want to do it, like Superuser) for root. And presto! Not only do you have the awesome Gingerbread update and more space right away, you're also free to App2SD and Titanium Backup to your hearts content.

BTW: I assume you don't have anything on the phone right now, but if you have contacts, apps or messages you want to keep, don't forget to back it up!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Sure, some people change their ROM every week or two. And also true, you can't beat a custom ROM for flexibility, whether to change to another overlay like sense or touchwiz, or to underclock the phone to get better battery life.

But even in the threads and comments about the best ROMs like Leedroid or MIUI or Cyanogen you'll find plenty of people who complain about performance or stability, and its a fact that most ROMs recently lacked features like a working compass.

Which brings me to my point: You get the most stable ROMs and best combination of features, performance and stability in stock ROMs.

(The majority of the time. Obviously there are manufacturers who slip a dodgy ROM now and then...)

Sure, if you feel like experimenting, and don't mind the odd force close or missing function, you can find a custom ROM faster than stock. But for the majority of users the majority of time, stock is the best option. Otherwise: Why aren't everybody on custom ROMs? If any dev on xda can whip up a custom ROM that works better than what programmers at HTC and Samsung with dozens of years of experience can do, then why make a big deal of manufacturers upgrades like the 2.3 upgrade for the desire?

Sure, there might be the odd dev or two on here who can do a better job than Samsung or HTC. But there are always trade-offs to whatever gain you get on a custom ROM, and the best and most stable option for most people are official ROMs.

Anyways, this is off topic, and if you enjoy your custom ROM more power to ya...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Heisenberg:
It is a bit off topic, sorry kpf16 for hijacking your thread ;)

I see your point though vszulc I guess its like I said horses for courses..

Side note.. the founder of cyanogenmod has been hired by Samsung! Perhaps touchwiz will receive a nice overhaul :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ste1164:
I don't think unrevoked will root the 2.3 update.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Do I have to pay for pro Install manager to move system apps like facebook?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zedmarcus:
"But even in the threads and comments about the best ROMs like Leedroid or MIUI or Cyanogen you'll find plenty of people who complain about performance or stability, and its a fact that most ROMs recently lacked features like a working compass." I guess you haven't been on the HTC facebook page, because if you had you would see that there has been a load of people complaining about the fact that the OFFICIAL GingerBread update has messed up their phones... There will always be people moaning about the performance and stability of whatever ROM they use, stock or custom, it's just the way people are (give 100 people a Bugatti Veyron and there'll be a percentage who complain about something). (and I'm not sure what your issue is with compasses??)

"You get the most stable ROMs and best combination of features, performance and stability in stock ROMs." Purely for the fact there are so many custom ROM's out there means that there are better ones for each and every person depending on your personal preferences rather than the stock "this is our phone, and these are the features you WILL have" way that official ROM's work. (Some people like Sense, some people hate Sense... Some people like compasses, some people don't ever use a compass on their phone).

"Why aren't everybody on custom ROMs? If any dev on xda can whip up a custom ROM that works better than what programmers at HTC and Samsung with dozens of years of experience can do, then why make a big deal of manufacturers upgrades like the 2.3 upgrade for the desire?" Why isn't everyone on custom ROM's? Because not everyone has the knowledge or the ability to be able to install them, some people like what they get out of the box. Dozens of years of experience doesn't mean that much, Mozart wrote his first symphony at the age of 8, greatly showing his elders how it should be done.

Not trying to have a go here, just that you seem to be saying that custom ROM's are lacking in some respect... If custom ROM's are so bad, why are there so many people on here with custom ROM's who would never go back to stock?

Anyway, like timmaaa said "horses for courses".
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
Ok need a yes or no answer to this. I have rooted my wife's desire but running the stock last froyo ota Rom. Can I move stock apps like Facebook, maps and flash player to SD and if so how?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
You obviously don't have much (if any) experience with rooting S-OFF and custom ROMs. If you like loads of useless **** on your phone, sure go for Sense. I've never had a bad custom ROM, and I've tried many, and flashed many different HBOOTs.

I don't find the compass useful in anyway whatsoever. Friend Stream, Sense Widgets, Footprints, HJTC Hub, 'Mirror', Stocks and the Sense UI in general isn't very useful, it's slow as hell, Sense 3.0 slows down the HTC Sensation even scrolling though home screens and that's got a 1.2 GHz, dual core CPU.

I'd sacrifice the Sense UI and the compass for a smooth, well coded ROM every chance I got.

I don't think you know what you're talking about if I'm honest.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Glad to see you've finally got it rooted kpf16. :D

Go to Settings, Manage Applications, click on an app and click the 'Move to SD card' button. You can sort biggest to smallest by pressing menu and 'Sort by size'.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
Perhaps they'll delete it and replace it with CM7! :D

:p
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
I know how to move apps that way but apps like Facebook still won't let me move them with rooted phone a stock HTC Rom. Is there any other way to move Facebook, maps etc?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kalavere:
I've just looked at my phone, it seems unless you have apps to EXT and a ROM that supports it you can't move either.

*edit* I've just changed HBOOT and ROM to the new Oxygen 2.2.1 and I can move everything to SD, maybe it's just a Sense/MIUI ROM thing? :confused:
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Heya,

You can use the free install manager. Only difference is ads.

Regarding Facebook, as long as you have root, you can move facebook to SD, but you can only do it in Titanium.

Install manager or App2sd can only move the downloaded apps to SD. The apps that are installed to your ROM can only be moved with Titanium.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kpf16:
How do move with titanium, do I have to have titanium pro?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] decmk:
Yes pro
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vszulc:
Thing is though... You keep bringing up moving facebook app to SD to get more space, BUT when you upgrade to the HTC 2.3 ROM, the increased efficiency of Androids App2SD function will easily get you 20 MB more space than before, or more. And thats without moving any new apps to SD.

If you add the extra space you get from moving previously unmovable apps through root and Install Manager, you should have plenty of free space, even without moving Facebook app to SD.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cvijiceva:
Or you can use Link2SD, it's free (but without ads) and work excellent. It's even better than App2SD, because you can choose which applications you want to go on SD and which not.

Only thing that you are (probably) missing is ext partition on SD card, but it can be added easily. Hope this helps :)

P.S. External links are disabled for me, so you can search market or copy this:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.buak.Link2SD
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMrB:
To clairy if you have a custom rom with apps2sd with it, DO NOT 'move' apps 2 sd manually... with apps or in settings etc... this will be done automatically for you by the apps2sd script in your custom rom